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"2 Minute Drill" Pitch Competition | Road to Revenue #27

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"2 Minute Drill" Pitch Competition | Road to Revenue #27

"Hey everyone. It's Monday. So we get the replay of the road to revenue and happiness and we made everyone happy as I teamed up with clarity experiences for the best virtual TV show the two minute drill pitch competition you're going to hear six different pitches and I'm going to give them feedback and lessons to learn and move on to fulfill their dreams of happiness. Don't forget to join us on Bloomberg. TV on all of our digital channels, we are going to be launching the two minute drill show on TV in January filming the next few months. But remember join my texts community nine, four, nine, two, nine, eight to nine, hundred five to join us for every Friday's free free free training. Every Friday eleven am Pacific two PM, eastern you can join us or email me at David at Meltzer DOT com. This. Is entrepreneurs the playbook. Welcome welcome to a special Friday training the road dare revenue and happiness is the two minute drill pitch competition a pilot for Bloomberg back there, and you're going to be the first to see this show on this extraordinary. Sad. I just have to take a moment. Can you believe this thing incredible that we're able to do this I want to think clearly experiences right off the bat for building me what is the most incredible virtual Set I've done TV shows movies a variety of things spoke around the world, and this may be the coolest stage. I've ever stepped on I. Want to thank them for that everyone I know this is a special and we will have the normal road to revenue training. Next Friday will slip right back into manifestation how to make your possibilities, probabilities and your probabilities. You're reality or perspective we're going to materialize everything for you today I also. Want to take a special moment for one second because today is National Daughter Day and I'm blessed to have three daughters and I just wanted big shout out to Marissa MIA MRI. Marlena. I love you. All right. Let's jump right into the competition. It's going to be two minutes, pitch my feedback. Then they're able to ask a question and I'll give the answer to the question and at the end we're going to pick the top three to be in finally named the champion third second first place each contestant's going to get two minutes to pitch. Let's get started. All right. Our first contestant is sponsored by alkaline eighty-eight. My favorite water by the way alkaline Eighty Eight, I wanNA thank you for sponsoring Jaden Reisner and he is going to pitch me about family. Proud. Jaden make me proud. Thanks appreciate everyone's time egg good morning. My Name's name is ner the CEO Co-founder family. Proud family proud is a software platform that helps bring peace of mind the patients and families we can families to one another. So they can share their lessons learned through their time of meat also help them save money through our care. Registry were focused on the cancer and military family market to start in are actively supporting families to several years ago as deployed with the navy. Notified that my mother had a heart attack in Los, face the concept remote support and care been an informed caregiver for her for about five years now and I want everyone to think about some of the day love and care about yourself. What are you going to do for them time? Need most important money you know what to do to help and family helps answer that what can I do to help question and make supporting and receiving and providing support easy. Medical expenses the number one reason famous go bankrupt the United States with over four trillion dollars spent in healthcare three, hundred, fifty, billion are actually out of pocket expenses family not only addresses the cost, but we also point to, for example, go me where one out of every three go fund me states or medical donation. So it's not a question that other people are looking for people to support and in versus a compassion fatigue family actually close loops the active supporting insurances that transparency the care registry actually provides products service recommendations based on the hardship, and this allows families Jr to communicate a Clare Sustainable model for their support network. We generate revenue through the partnerships in software licensing now. As a family of a warmth to navigate through your journey and as a supporter, have the ability to provide that tangible support or graduate of atop digital health accelerator, recipient STI, award or small business technology partner with qualcomm and understand how it scale. We can help provide healthier families and stronger communes. Our team is made up of Naval Academy graduates, STANFORD GS beating cancer survivors in military veterans. But most importantly, we all experienced as as caregivers, patients and survivors and truly understand what it means to deliver empathy through technology. There's no greater time than now to support those in need. Sadly, the market of families in need will never go away looking for strategic partners, foreign thousand dollars to complete IRA's. Family. All, right. Well, that is a heck of a pitch for a heck of a cause. And I apologize about mispronouncing ridder. I was told it was Reisner I apologize. Credibility. Credibility nail that has a little bit worried on the credibility, and then you just threw it all in the and with the great degrees and the great experience. So give you an a for credibility. You told a story that gave that emotional connection you just didn't. The need in the marketplace but you told her story that uses a different part of not only in the mind that allows people to remember what you do and how it is but also remember people bound emotion for logical reasons. It's where we connect so that you have an advantage over just a quantitative value that you can provide as a business service or solution. It also enhances the credibility to feel emotionally connected, and obviously healthcare is an extremely emotional issue today and of course, with veterans and other things related to that you really honed in. Once again, I'll give you an a for the emotional connection. Other the side of quantifying the reasons that we should invest the impact it has I think the reasons to invest that question was a little bit shy you ran out of time you WanNa make sure you got that asking their raid got plenty of time, everyone needs to practice. So one place for improvement would be to go ahead and fit in the asked to make. Sure that whether it's a minute two minutes are a five minute pitch competition. You have such a polished executed pitch that you want to make sure you include every single aspect from the credibility that you did the emotional attachment that you did to being able to quantify the reasons of that ask and apply it back. So you can see no reason you want to move forward The capabilities you have. I thought you once again did a great job. So the only thing that I would recommend is the Polish the Polish meaning get the timing down so that you can include that last piece I would add a little bit of more data on the quantitative value that you provide in the savings of having a registry as well as the ability to raise. More money for those people I. Think if there was some numbers in there and how many people on the register today I know the accelerators that you want in all the other stuff probably indicative that you are getting further along and have a value to provide you definitely reach the threshold that I WANNA learn more. So congratulations love to hear if you have a question for me. Yeah thanks so much for the feedback David a big one there and certainly in alignment. No certainly believe that we're stronger together as a young company, Yanni recommendations and your thoughts around positioning. Certainly, there's a lot of CR within with larger organizations, how to best position to organizations that, of course, look to see how we can support them as an organization and as a as a young company the best take advantage really leverage Aspect of the company you know. So extraordinaire about that question is your whole business is built on the asking attract strategy that I like meaning you're providing value in services to others you're creating avoid for the universe to fill. You're creating, avoid that people want to vacuum that people want to participate in what I would do with the hyper intelligent experienced people that you have is I would spend at least a half a day. A week in doing and being more interested that interesting doing research looking at the capabilities that you have. The skills that the company has the knowledge of not only what which you guys have down. Pat. But who and I think if you pay attention to give intention to the WHO in the industry and then have the radically humility to find and reach out with the credibility that you have and the progress that you've made I don't think you've asked enough people in person on the phone via email and media radio TV, social media that simple question hey, we have extended and expanded. Great success do you know anyone that can help me and I think getting your whole team involved in that asking attract strategy beyond providing service and value and displaying the radically humility that you have beyond helping others. But asking for help you'll find like you said, tons of channel partner, CSR's and other people that are going to step up to accelerate and expand what you're doing already does that sound fair? Yeah. Awesome. Thanks so much. All right Jaden wizner. Thank you so much with family. Proud. I'm very proud of you. Great job. Okay. Our next contestant is sponsored by. Dose that's right. Elevate your life dopamine oxytocin Serotonin endorphins I use those I loved those makes me happy empowers other to be happy. Thank you. Those forgiving US dose of joy here with clarity and Bloomberg on two minute drill. Second contestant is Luanne. Diba Nardo and she's with Oral Sports Cooling wearables. All right. Here we go. You better heated up. So I need some cooling down your up. High David or sports establish bootstrap company that's based on the signs that seventy five percent of your body's total energy is devoted to regulating body temperature leaving only twenty five percent moving muscle. Now, an athletes job is due muscles. So when they're tapping into that seventy five percent reserved for firmer regulation, they're actually robbing revise ability to regularly on temperature. So what happens when that happens Sundays days ago our teenage boy collapsed on high school football field on his body temperature reached one, hundred, six degrees who was taken by ambulance to. Hospital on his new body organs failed including his brain and two days. Later was errands were forced to watch the duck of a Sun from dump that could have been a hundred percent prevent it. He was the fourth teen to died from heat stroke an ice school playing field that could have been prevented from only in their bottoms at earls works we design and manufacture high impact. Cool wearables that not only improve performance will help prevent those types of injuries even just eat stress which incredible someone who has a chronic condition. Cooling with our Berman's and mitigate that stress Pre cooling alone has been proven to improve performance by as much as twenty one percent were soon to launch our own Adam pending game changing technology. It's technology that when frozen colder than ice is still completely flexible, that's been allow us to really ramp up our instructions and movement of our industries, but it isn't only. Athletes it's the it's the competitive worker it's the arm. Occupational worker were within people in oil gas nuclear industries of people that are doing solar installations, groundskeepers while foundry workers, etc. The heat problems. So prevalent that employers are estimated to despite a two hundred and twenty billion dollars a year on heat related injuries are decision to focus on sports was based on the fact that we believed were done. We're done. right? Well, that's the fun of the two minute drill and I think no matter how much we practice that happened. So Lou first of all, I think a plus on the emotional aspect. It's stories like those that allow an investor, a channel partner, a partner, and associate, or even a future employees to resonate and have the passion and purpose that's needed in order to affects we what really needs to be done. And you know obviously heat is a huge issue for athletes but I love the way that you tied it in two critical life issue as we came off of one of the hottest weeks in history world I can imagine how he deters performance as well as safety and I think you hit both and could nailed it a little more on the economic side of you know if a worker gets hot overheated. It. Has the cool offer an hour. You know economically with a thousand employees that are working outside roofing or cement. These are all areas that you could as well work on. the credibility i. like the fact that you're utilizing. One thing I wanNA point out to everyone is. Just. Like clarity experiences providing me huge advantages of being virtual by creating a stays that would be so much more expensive. It's mobile. I can bring stuff over the in a different country interstate state or wherever it is. Utilizing what we couldn't do before you have an entire set and I appreciate that it's beautiful and you know whether or not even using notes. In front of you and other things that if you were sitting in my boardroom pitching me, you won't be able to do all of that. So a plus on that as well. Once again, everyone we want practice practice practice I, always call it the clap regulator being until you can pitch just like I asked you if all I ask Louie. Louie and I'm going to invest a million dollars in you if you can clap once. I don't think she'd be nervous doing. So and what I want her to do is practice so much her pitch that it's like clapping and when you get to that. You know the sentences you know the timing because the most critical thing beyond credibility which you have. Is the ask and unless we know what you're asking for, it's hard to evaluate a pitch because if you told me Dave I'm looking to give you my entire company for free just to introduce me into under armor. A. Different Pits Dave I want ten million dollars to introduce into under armor. Either way exceptional job. I want everyone to know that this is part of pitching this why we do this in training and why everyone's participating in the show is so that people can learn that it's not as easy as it looks as you will attest land but great job, and once again to great space for me my core competency, you did hit the threshold by the way that I WANNA learn more. So thank you so much. Perfect. All right onto our next contestant our next sponsor of the contesting is. One of my favorite ever Dale. Carnegie, if anybody's ever read the book thinking grow rich. Dale. Carnegie funded Napoleon Hill to go around to the greatest and most successful businesses and entrepreneurs in the world and great that get an aggregate their best advice checkout Dale Carnegie Training it's made me who I am and I've gone several different times several different companies in my career. Our third contestant is Alec Gras. With Lux. All right. Let's see how Luxy he is. All right. Alec Your Up. David Awesome. my to ask for you are one to join our board of advisers that would require thirty minutes of your time. Once per month to focus on strategy and growth my second ask is a picture of you wearing premium lux rope. You know be sometimes become so busy that we forget to prioritize ourselves. In College, my co-founder night struggled with the Insecurities of Anxiety Sofa appearance, and lack of energy in our daily routine. Men have no goto place. That's why we created locks every guys wing now. Let's empowers men. To become champions of their life by providing products that improve their confidence performance and appearance. We are a subscription box rated for the modern man. Become a member for just ninety dollars per quarter and received one box. Every three months a full sized premium products valued at over two hundred dollars of the top brands immense fitness wellness acknowledgee in grooming. Three months ago and curly over three hundred and twenty members. We earned the infancy stage our business focused on cash flow acquiring members. Earlier this month, we finalized a family and friends raise and launch our new website on October first with an exciting new partnership known manscaping. Right, now we outsource our fulfillment, we make thirty percent margins and have already monetize our magazine found in every box, and we pay back our CAQ. Two boxes. We're marketing this orders box towards women as the gift of twenty. Twenty. Through mainly paid ads and influencer marketing. Important factors we are prioritizing as we grow our cat LTV churn as well as innovation and building a kick ass ambassador program in the ten plus billion dollars subscription ECOMMERCE industry source Mackenzie. What Kinda wrote? Can I get you David? You go all right I it. Well, if it's free, it's me. So I'll be happy to wear that robe. Maybe I'll put my pipe in as well and I am happy to sit as a board advisor members. Well so you hit that threshold now personal choice I like to distinguish this when someone pitches that this is my own personal preference and so in order to figure out people's personal preferences, you need to be more. Interested than interesting and I would ask other people that have pitched someone to say, Hey, or done due diligence they would know that I like to ask right I I love the ask I teach the ask and one of my favorite pitchers are feeling confident enough to make that ask at the beginning. So I can gear everything that you say afterwards towards that specific ask and you don't run the risk of not getting the asking so. For knowing your audience and for making the ask in my answer is yes a couple of areas where you can improve. obviously, the subscription based business holds a great annuity So going through a little bit of the quantitative analysis of the benefits of why is such a multimillion dollar industry male vanity is a growing industry. A couple numbers could have been added in there. The place that I thought, you would a hit because you had such a fun approach to it. You had it familiarity the emotional attachment. I think you had a great opportunity instead of describing the problems or the needs of most. Young men including you and your friends. If you could have shared a quick story, you know when I was in college I I was this or that, and and and really drawn in that part of the brain the heart set and mindset combined the May add more emotion more emphasis passion to what you're doing and allow me to have a higher value in what you're doing in a better reciptivity to that. So that's an area that you could improve upon as well. I, love. The relaxed demeanor, right? I always call it above the game and so some of the things you know since this is a training as well to be above the game means that you're able to step outside of the pitch and make a comment. So notice my reaction at the end of it when you Kinda step outside of a normal stuffy stiff pitch and said, all right, Dave, what kind of rogue do you want? That's an above the pitch or above the game type of. understanding of what you're doing and what it does is it elevates you in stature makes yourself equal then it rises you above it a lot of times we don't make ourselves equal to the people were pitching to, and you did such a great job of doing that. So I look forward to sitting on your board of Advisors. I look support a sitting in your robe and anything else you WANNA, send me for free. It's me. Thank you so much. Got a question for me. Yeah. My one question was our challenges growing our subscriber base. One person would you recommend going after for additional board members and to help us grow that? Will the strategy that I use for board of advisors in? Two sets. I call the Minor Leagues, the Board of Advisors, there's no liability there's less responsibility I usually take a board of advisors and have one ask like you do I need you for thirty minutes a year once a year and I'm willing to give you this to do that and have one ask for that thirty minutes. So Dave Meltzer is known to have great spheres of influence. So are asking him is going to be X. What I like to do is get kind of a foreman of a board of advisors someone that's going to their responsibility of being on the board of advisors is to build the board of advisors and I don't like limitations on board of Advisors. I think if you can have a hundred board of advisors with one hundred different ask this guy knows people to raise money this person knows. How to get more better better pricing on supplies, this person knows the box manufacturer. This person's great at graphic arts whatever it is one ask in allow that board of Advisor to build a board of advisors using that one key member that has great spheres of influence that knows all of those people for you, and then from that pool abortive advisors, this is where we select the board members. By the people that get most passionate by the people that are aligned the most who performed the best. In our most committed, some may even be investors we won't allow them to then take on. The more liable and more responsible board of. Directors, which has a more integrated role. So understanding the Difference Between Board of Advisers Board of directors asking for one ask and allowing one real form into to build that board of advisors is my normal course of building those out. Does that sound fair? Yeah. Great Awesome. Well, thank you. Great pits for two sitting on your board of advisers get your ask ready and I'm looking forward to that robe. Thank you. All right. Here we go. Role in right ahead contestant number four is brought to you by. Oh Yeah Costa Sue. The best meets a lot I've ever had. I had to put them up there. I love the logo by the way it reminds me of when I'm hanging out in Kabul with all my friends, I gotta get myself one of those crowns Maybe we can put that with the robe, the crown that'll work well, hopefully, anyway, our fourth contestant he looks like a deer in headlights, but he's not it's Casey Chou Han. Together CFO. All right. Put this all together Casey. All right. You got it. Thank you so much for having me David on Kiss Chou Han founder and CEO of together full I would want to ask is, is there any reason you wouldn't want to know how much you personally being overpaid and your taxes and I a show you exactly how to stop the happening again if we can successfully show you that would you be willing to introduce as a warm referral to your network? A little bit more about us when we do, I am a writer for Forbes magazine I've had over one million downloads of my articles and reads I was full aid talked entrepreneurs to watch out for in Yahoo Finance. This year two, thousand, twenty, I'm also podcast host. Of the CEO story which has had over one hundred, thousand downloads in the last two months since we launched. Keynote speaker at the accounting and Finance Conference in two thousand, nineteen at my company is also approved fogleman contracts a little bit about me. Personally, I worked for eight years for a four billion dollar company called. Big S and P Five, hundred company which relocated me from England to La, which is where I am right now in two thousand sixteen, I started my own business to help add value to business owners and we use my skill set in to help people that need it. The most our team now is over full years of unfenced experience in complex trust structures on a little bit about how that God about is. that. We help 10x one of our clients on the CFO side. So his business went from five million to fifty million and create a huge tax problem, which then allowed us to specialize solvent problem. We build tax structures rather than loophole. So we help people stop overpaying on taxes saving money increase in efficiency and transferring wealth whilst Michigan and the capital gains So that's how we go about adding value to our clients. Wow. All right. This is a good one. So Casey. Really Nice Job I. liked the beginning right because you you nailed something that I'd say gets everybody I call it the pen example right? Can you see any reason why you wouldn't want to do this? I'm going to save you money on taxes that you've already paid. Right and I assume you're going to make a percentage of that for saving me it, which is a profit center. The improvements that can be made in this is you know everyone has their own personalities, their own capability skills, all desire, and this is very much an accountant's pitch. This is very much a CFO pitch because. There was very little emotional attachment. which you know my numbers people are known for it was a pitch like a spreadsheet you know it. Looked as we were reading down a spreadsheet with extreme credibility, right. So what saved your pitch and why I want your help and why I will give warm introductions to anyone I know that has paid the dummy tax paying too much in taxes I tell people all the time you know on my pitch I tell them here it's simple if I called you and said, I will pay your state and federal taxes. Would you like that it by working with me I promised to pay your state and federal taxes. All of them and everyone says, yes, sure. I'll work with you but I actually do something better than that because I paid for taxes that are more expensive than that is called the dummy tax. I paid more dummy tax anyone and what I do in helping people is let me put the dummy tax for you and you'll easily be able to afford not only Casey services, but the federal and state taxes that you actually may Oh, beyond what he saves you. So you had a great value proposition quantified right from the start you grabbed my interest and then you didn't give me anything more than what I could read off of a spreadsheet although the data extremely valuable. Extremely valuable. So what I would do to improve upon that? Is I would tie all the valuable in value statements that you have all the Prophets Center based statements, the credibility of the wards, the PODCAST, the team, all of those things, I type into a lesson in his story. So you could say when I won this award, I want because I did it at a day and when I do my podcast, which is a top podcast by the way with millions of downloads I learned this about the company how eighty five percent of all people have overpaid their taxes right th that's a valuable piece of information of your estimated least of. How many people have paid in their taxes? You know I've worked with twelve. You know after so-and-so winning this and that or whatever tied into a story I worked with twelve hundred clients and only three of them. I wasn't able to save them any money can you imagine how many people out there are not paying the right taxes? So very good. Let's make it less. I know to be counter for you. Let's make it more emotionally attachment, but otherwise I'm all in. I want to see how much I've overpaid in the past. What question do you have for me? Thank you for that feedback question for you is. Getting celebrity client. So we have a lot of high net worth family offices and affluent people, but we don't have many celebrities. Is there any tips tricks to get the celebrity over the lining to commit versus the regular word of mouth people normally? Absolutely. So the way that we get celebrity clients is not to ask so I talked about spheres of influence and so by being more interested than interesting, and this is exactly the sports agent game when I ran Lee, Steinberg sports and entertainment I learned from Li, the most notable sports aided in the world. Spheres of influence and so what we would do, obviously, we wanted to recruit and to sign the celebrity of the athlete or the entertainer. But what we do is we would service and provide value to all the people around them. And then they would be invited to come along with all the people around them that we were servicing and helping and providing value to in organically we would subtly organically mentioned Oh we're able to stave uncle Steve. You know so much on his taxes, I can't imagine how much overpaid. Oh, what did you do and then I've actually reversed it another way to do it is to make an investment and I'll give a little bit of secret sauce here if you do know. influencer of celebrities, athletes and entertainers. It's okay to invite them or even pay them to come to something. And invite them right. If you're paying in there being compensated and invite them to invite the people that they know knowing without specifying that they know celebrities, athletes, entertainers are influencers, and then building a relationship that you're invited back and forth always providing value to others and then asking, Hey, do you know anyone that could help me one of the keys to the celebrities athletes and entertainers is I don't ask directly I'll ask someone like Marshall Faulk Air Marshal do you know it can help me I'm looking for someone that can babysit my daughter. Ray this is the type of thing that builds that relationship and then they start asking you oh, can you help me? I heard that you were able to save me on my taxes from the last five years I I'd love to do that for you. So go ahead and work this beers of influence asking attract even pay someone that has that influence to invite others and be invited into their spheres of influence that gives you the organic or subtle ask does that sound fair? Yet sounds awesome. So when I'm inviting them by for instance. We both love golf either golf ball property here for you. I, golf as an example sponsored by my company or something along those lines. Yeah. So within the context of the hospitality you you know I I don't necessarily make it. So straight-forward, we can utilize invitations to things where you know it might have an emotional opportunity to make a connection and then bring up the topic and allow them to ask you. You really get the gift of allowing them to ask you and you know and if they're not asking you ask them for help. Do you anyone can help me? I'm looking for this boom they're gonna it's just There's some psychiatric in psychology sales books out there. They'll talk about in Ben Franklin talked about asking people for favors makes them to be an investor in you. Once they become an investor in you, they want to elevate you which will actually energetically want them to help you more and making more introductions for you. Thank you. Great job case, get a personality onto that spread seed and you'll kill it. All right. Oh my God, my younger brothers or like he's telling me that I'm doing reading from his spreadsheet. All right. We got to let it up here. We're already on contestant number five. It's been incredible. The first four great job. Let's see who is. Backing are contested number five. Oh my favorite vivid solar. Thank you so much presenting our fifth contestant Roscoe Dwyer. From Locker. Let's see what you have behind the door. David how're you doing? My Name's Rawson I'm Sione co-founded Locker Lockers co-founded team of people spend over forty years in sports medians, which publishing saw a massive problem in an opportunity within it that no one had built single-source platform for sports fans consume written audio video lifespan stats and gambling one place and stop this needless restraining journey for sports. Fans around Web essentially due to sport. What spotify did to music locker works is Super Simple We integrate content providers. When a free providers we integrate demented apart from do a rev share and their content advertising. When it's paid providers, we to integrate them. This falls into our premium package KALAC, pro. This allows sports fans the customized. For what content they want at a particular price, they paid US monthly or annually revenue with partners. lassie on the gambling. Locker. Nice. Sports fans knew around the world is integrated. Dare chosen gambling fancy provider from there. They can play specs at ease. What this does for the House is increases number bets per user and we do a row showed the house. A locker works is we actually verify all the sources but. He don't have the issue of fake news and our AI studies you. So we show you more to concert you do on a mess of what you don't want. In terms of our action today, we're obviously wanted to ten company for the Texas Indiana Program. And we've raised over eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars in pre seed round. We've built our MVP and we launch a Beta Q. Four this year, and we've also partnered with various media has teams, leagues gambling footage around the world. We're launching an island, a Beta and going into full launch in Indiana in the states. My ask is that David perhaps yourself even are some of the viewers will take part and closing around was renamed to raise a million dollars. You. Talk. Very. Good. Very Good Ross. Okay. Let's start with technique. First of all, there's a lot of arsenal that you have. There's a Lotta, great credibility and. I think you know especially when we have an accent and I know I have an accent. So to you when we're pitching we WANNA slow down a little bit and you you hit the time mark promptly. But there was one part especially where I want you to slow down. When you start off telling that you're an aggregated data that you are the spotify sports content, you know this great locker of data you. And I both know that the quantitative value of what you're doing is in the gambling that that's what set forth your company to get eight hundred, fifty, thousand dollar raise to get into the sex stars program. The real money is in the gambling and the data that's behind that gambling, and so I want you to slow down at the beginning of the pitch and say, look, we do this this this all in one place. and. We allow you to gamble right and gambling has been approved the United States. In twenty two states in the last eighteen months gambling one of the oldest professions in the world. Always. Successful. Even in this time of uncertainty, people are dying to gamble is what they're going to gamble on in during their pandemic. If it was Cornhole, we would have had it on locker and you'd been able to facilitate whatever it was So I if you slow down, you could tell the story a little bit better because you have such a powerful story and I don't think you gave it justice for for what it was including. You'll you could talk fast to save the time on the normal stuff, but I want you to slow down on the key things. The Indiana Right techstars sports the accelerator in Indiana powered by in the end. I mean, those things are incredible, eight, hundred and fifty thousand dollars already raised a lot of credibility there when you're when you're doing a two minute drill pitch, you know these are the things that have you can't slow down during the whole pitch slowdown in explain out the significance of what you have and you will have even more success the last thing that I would do. I like to ask I like here's my ask and went ahead and said, hey, close out around in not only me to close out the round but all the people that are watching and listening, etc go to locker, check it out because I. You know I'm a big supporter of the company and I suggest that you learn more about the company I always like to know the valuation of what you're looking at. So if you're raising a million dollars right in some sort of key in. On a razor what you? Even if you just without evaluation, you don't WanNa mess with the. Any of the compliance side but even something like we take units as small as twenty, five, thousand dollars, right some sort of indication of what type of investor in value giving extrordinary job slowdown on the good stuff you got so much there make sure people understand it because you have that beautiful accent we don't want people to get lost now do you have a question for me? Yeah thanks appreciate the feedback as well, and great to see you again. One of the things we're looking at David, is bringing in strategic, not disrupted but I do you have any advice for bringing strategic in terms of investment don't over the longer term maybe see day rounds be runs as Gojra. Yeah. So this is a great question because I want to talk to everybody. I've always you know straight away from hey I'm looking for a strategic investor in because I want to tell you two words that come to mind. Someone tells me I'm looking for strategic investment no DA. Right. Of course you are everybody they want two things they want money in somebody that can help them and preferably like someone with money with someone that can help me. So I love to structure a deal that has the ability to take money that is strategic. Okay. So the first thing is I want people to be honest out there and said, look I have a vehicle that even if you're the biggest. A hole in the world I'm GonNa take your money. I'm GonNa take your money and you're gonNA, have no effect on my business. That's what I want to structure a deal like you have a pulse I want your money. That's cool. Then we also WanNa have like you said a focus on how do I bring in strategic partners that hopefully also will be strategic enough to want to invest in us. They're two separate things raising money and bringing in a strategic partner they're two separate things. So the best. Way To bring in a strategic investment is to create a business case to create a pitch to create an ass to ask Anna track utilize the five daily practices of Dave Meltzer in order to affect your weight strategic partners, and if you are valuable enough to strategic partner, they're gonNa beg you to invest in you trust me I've been involved in so many things there's no reason to ask when you have a strategic partner and they see what's going on there like, Hey, can I get in this game? And so let's be real about everyone out there in this pitch take people's money with the pulse create a program that focuses on strategic partners who you think you can convert by showing value by showing opportunity that will want to invest does that sound fair? Yeah. That's great. Thanks very much. You gotTA my friend. We'll talk to you soon keep up the good work. All right. What a great show This show is matching the quality of my stage by the way the next contestant. Is sponsored by presented by one of my favorite meditation tools. Muse. uses a tool that you put on your head allows you to utilize your highest frequency to raise your awareness and to make life simple calm and peaceful. And here they are presenting are six contestant, our last contestant, the bar or the net has been raised for you my friend. Hey, them Electrobi- with ten baht and come on Haytham. Tell us what this is all about. Reduce. Their grew up or Dennis. Steve's players and puts his three percent of their time on poor with a are hitting the ball machine brexit serve or testing visit. So give you a little bit of context I am the US and south of nine a grow. Based on my master. And came to the US, each the inaugural and Auburn I learned how made that S I met my co-founder on a tennis court we ended up the lightning spending Stein making tennis balls instead of laying. A developed. Throw. Them anymore it's that. This is the court picking all. There's a station on the nipples exist anymore on the court and keep map and provide the local layer debt and stats. We. Her selling the product for nine hundred, fifty dollars for the station. The rover must win fifty cents or a monthly subscription. You'll get access to this data. You're fortunate enough. On a lot of their getting investor, the northward like the Iowa co-founders Stars or it's Baton, in the U S and Europe three issued utility annuity her and designed Batmans less in Augusta's in. Europe. We won't Cimarron awards like the. Patient awards by the Space Station and the. Awards. Basic function for tennis players before anybody you need to do before school lay the sport now. You can watch out makeup couples in many. Soon, you'll be able to sugar nicotine. The goal is to bring sports. infor essentially on players actually enjoyed their final court want ending venues of their game. That's all love. Brioni questions. Do you have thank you. Well the Zumbuhl for tennis. I. Love It. I love the way that you start because you get a great picture in the mind the other thing that you did extremely well, Hey, them is you told a story while you gave the facts by you telling the story how you came over from Egypt, you met your co founder. So you kinda inserted the fact that you had this founder. You could even mentioned you know my co founder and I went to Stanford or whatever that can be added into the story, and then you started talking about the percentage of time that's utilized to pick up tennis balls, which is the critical business issue, which also gets my mind moving. What other sports do we spend an inordinate amount of time picking up balls in would this new ten bought be able to have different sport version of it in order to effects wait the same critical business issue The parts that we can work on I. It's Great Job is to be able to the quantification. You talked about the pricing of the bottle, the size of the market, how many people play tennis the one of the demographics that I know of tennis players. It's the affluence of the people who play tennis. The average person that plays tennis has a much higher income than other sports and that's Why it's always targeted in sports in endorsement and sponsorship and it's also a man and woman In fact, it's one of the few sports that have a bigger following for women than it does for men and so talking through the issues of why you're going to sell. So many of these, what are the profit margins where you're at and then most importantly as always within the context of six of these Things and look. I'm as dumb as anybody else I forget things. I think I forgot to ask flew an to ask me a question just to be honest illuminate that you know lessons are there to learn and you're gonNA forget every lesson you've ever learned. Please don't forget this lesson next time. Ask I wanted to ask I. Have No idea I love the ten. I totally understand the Ted about I, see the success that you're having with the. I love the data side of knowing we're rich people spend their money and spend their time. I just saw so-so dilemma. I'm all over the. As much as afraid of that I'm using the ten about to get myself some more of that data to take advantage of it to make money help people and have fun with the ten baht. But I have no idea what I can do for you because there wasn't an ask and I WANNA help and I can't help unless you ask the two things real quickly. One right gratitude we learned before we were three just say thank you before you go to bed and when you wake up and to don't forget to ask you're not GonNa get unless you ask and to that note. Can you ask me a question? Had received a break. The question is, how will the customer you're Listening Commission Board voted beyond that the pro- the only problem was. So tell that story that's going to resonate with them. You know talk about the day where you only have an hour to see one of your best friends. And you you have been competitive since you're five years old and you spend half the time picking up balls and you didn't get to finish the match nobody gets the where the tennis belt. You don't get to talk to trash that you wanna do or maybe you're gambling and you didn't get it. These are the types of stories that are going to draw people in emotionally and you know the tennis stories you'd be don't known go to the clubs, the private clubs and talk about you know the pains that people have suffered in the stories behind the pain or even injuries. You know funny story may be to mostly TAT someone you know somebody's career. You know like my friend Gus rods career ended when he head butted the football padding when he scored a touchdown talk about some of them may be leaned over and pulled out their back from picking up the tennis balls instead of playing. So these types of stories that can be real they can be modified. I would do some research at all the tennis clubs or even a contest who has the best stories about picking up tennis balls and then use those two emotionally attached. Does that sound fair? That sounds. Amazing. You are amazing. All six of my contestants are amazing. Luanne IOU question. I think. But that's okay. We'll do it off line. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all six contestants and all the six sponsors that presented these unbelievable pitches. You could see there's so much to learn from everyone in please take into context. This is just my opinion. These are just my suggestions. So go ahead and seek other people experiment in practice as much as you can now, what I like to do next is run. A short video about how we did this. There's lessons to learn about all of you out there WANNA know how best can we virtually present or pitch? How can we do mastermind speeches exhibits? How best can we do TV shows movies virtually to keep everyone safe in social distance? Well, clarity experiences done it for me and they've proven it with this stage. Let's watch this video and then we're GONNA come back and pick the three winners with the CEO of clarity experiences. Brian Legacy thank you so much. As the event space evolves clarity experiences remains your top choice to elevate your event and create lasting memories with the recent shift away from large in person meetings and into a more live streaming format. We have seen a surge in demand for virtual services, but not all virtual services are equal and not all approaches are right for you. Luckily, clarity experiences has been doing virtual events for many years and has extensive experience in the real. World, we have identified the best approaches to make the registration process quick and painless support participation and engagement from all over the world and elevate your production value with clear messaging and branding opportunities setting your event apart from the rest while we still feel face to face communication is the most effective way to connect and trade ideas virtual conferences when executed properly serve as the best alternative to live events and we at clarity experiences can help. Well I Brian I WANNA. Thank you for sponsoring the show but moreover, to provide such an extraordinary platform to share ideas to help people we've seen this evolve and as you know, we were blessed be even picked up by Bloomberg to have this aired on TV and in airports in hotel rooms, and all of these great sponsors endorsements are coming in and other companies as well. So just be. Careful because I know there's a lot of other CEO's that WANNA come and pick the three winters absolutely. But let's talk about in these times a compressed uncertainty. You know what are the things that you've learned about adapting this productions and other productions to help people today? Yeah. Absolutely. David. Thank you so much for working with us. You know and and you know the the March April timeframe the world definitely. In live events and I know that you used to travel all over all the time on the road doing events and we were the partner that did a lot of events as well in all these different live venues all over the US and North America and we had a really changed quickly to figure out how can we continue to add value? How can we be grateful for our customers? How can we help them through a tough time? How can we really engage your audience virtually? So what we did is we looked within our teams in all of the people that we have here at clarity and outside of clarity in the industry came together, and we found some ways in which we could enhance you know speakers and presenters and give them a better platform to share their message into communicate, and so we really did that just by asking for help looking within our teams and. Really focusing on the people that do so much great work for us and you've seen it evolve over the last several months from the beginning. When we were doing stuff to today, you know the the difference it can create in the different understanding that people have when they really are faced with challenging diversity how they come through that is just so it's so great to watch, but it's also important really to drive business forward you know so. Funny as I thought to myself when the pandemic happened. If I just can break even if I just can stay in contact with people do zoom you know zoom thing and we started at that format and I have found that there's many advantages production advantages right like we do in the pitch you could see there's some advantages for someone pitching virtually compared to in a conference room. Well, there's definitely some advantages to exhibits in meetings and masterminds. Keynote speeches preparation-wise practice wise virtuality. Wise. But there's also advantages and profit and I know I'm an extraordinary case because I travel two hundred a year I speak over one hundred places a year and my team eats and drinks like there's no tomorrow. So I've saved all of those other cringing back there all of those hospitality fees and Besides airplanes and travel what are some of the other advantages that you've been able to see an produce for guys like me? Yes. So one of the things that we've been able to see is that the preparation time is very, very different. So in a live event, you might fly there and you might get five minutes on the stage or short rehearsal right now what we're seeing is the preparation time is significant. So presenters keynote speakers, panel sessions actually spend their time weeks. Before the live event happens or for the virtually event, you know happens and they're able to kind of make sure that that presentation or the event is what they wanted to be able to practice and rehearse a lot like our contestants today, and then they're able were able to pre record that we're able to make it look great and then when the the day comes for it to be streamed in the virtual environment, then they're able to listen to it, live themselves and then. They can engage with the audience through the different and features. So allows the presenters and the panelists a really have a different experience than they would going up on stage they can practice, it can rehearse and they can prerecord their content. When seems to be a great advantage for most of the virtually events that you're seeing today so well, there's an old saying if Mohammed can't come to the party, the Party will come to Mohamed and you bring the party to Muhammad this stuff. Goes to their houses to the company's keeping everybody safe, and it can come to the facility and use the virtual stages. Well, there's so many different options that all create bigger margins may not higher gross sometimes but absolutely, and I've seen inexperienced and I'm so grateful for you much bigger margins, which is basically what being in business as about as you know I trained in a lot of executive coaching from entrepreneurs. Business margins are key to stay in business you can't cash in revenue. We say good anyway. Now, the title we've been waiting for, you've been so gracious to host and sponsor this We have our third place winner. Third Place Winner is sponsored by my dear friends at the VA group their virtual assistance that I use in order to affects wait pragmatic simple things the dues tacit nobody wants to do. Our third. Place Prize winner gets all of my books, all of the exercises, guides and free trainings that I do, and of course. All right. My got the water I gotta give him props because alkaline ninety nine they have swayed me away from their competitors. Thank you so much. So you get a supply water as well. Who is our third place winner in? Why? So our third place winner so a few the things I really enjoyed about all the contestants This time is they're all very well prepared. They had their their pitch thought out very well and the the communicated the key points at very effectively. So it was a very hard decision I look through all the different pitches in and I pulled out a few really ones I thought stood out. So our Third Place Winner is Alec Craw? Right ALEC ALEC SO Congratulations Alex. Thank you. So I really appreciated the revenue model that you discussed. The fact that you had some key sponsors you had manscaping involved in your program you had you were able to give something of value to your to your customers. They're able to get confidence they're able to feel better get some brand names. I have problems picking out my. Clothes I love for love for you to help me out with. But I thought the way that you had your ask positioned in the way that you really clearly articulated your business model and what you're looking to do was you did a fantastic job. So congratulations and I'm super proud to be part of this pitch today congratulations on the third. Place Prize. Thank you very much. Awesome well, we put it out. One of the thing that's really interesting to me is that because you're able to provide such a great platform, it actually puts the people that contestants the speakers exhibitors at ease, and you talked about there was so much better. I think the pitches would have been equally as good early on if we would have given them the tools to so because it gets really nerve wracking when you're Internet's not working and you have. No name below you or whatever it is, and still got the human tax over here not allowing land and make a question or misspelling someone's name. But beyond that we're doing pretty well okay. The second price which is sponsored by. The working stiff guys, units do our callers lots of. But for golf shirts and I. Love Those guys are so much fun with great products. But the second place not only gets my supply of water and the books, exercises, guides, and the free trainings. But also gets a whole year of my private group coaching been a real blessing especially during the pandemic and I would love to know who you picked for the Second Prize in why? Well that's a great to be part of your your monthly group has. Going, to give you a free robe. Baby I. Listen to me. I can't give you mine onto small. Extras, and hopefully the package comes to watch I think. So Alex make sure you send some way. So our second place prize is really connected with You know this pitch in the fact I had a a really strong emotional connection, but also had a great story behind it and there was a lot of substance to to the overall pitch and the overall business model. So our second place winner is Jaden reasoner. A congratulated congratulations. Absolutely I thought you did a fantastic job. I think the people that you have involved in your company are amazing the that you've put together. The group of people that are really you know helping you build this business as a as a as ing your ask your your data was very clear and I see a a great future in the healthcare industry and in being able to find a way to support people's families during really difficult time. So So congratulations on your mission and your vision in life in this business and and congratulations on the second place prize. Think it's well deserved. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Right. All right well got second and third decided our first place prize is sponsored by, of course, one of my favorite companies clarity experiences and US. Well, thank you. Brian we appreciate that I think this is a tough decision because this is one of the few times I've no clue. You'RE GONNA pay I really go and Quality the pitches worried everyone had improvements to make. But they did a damn good job and I WANNA move forward and help all six companies. Who Do you have is our grand prize winner. I I apologize what are they win? Of course in the water and the exercises guides books, and the private group is well a whole year private group trading but they also get one on one private executive training from me personally and. So we'll add that in and hopefully they see the value specified charge a lot for that that we do. So who do you have in why David you know in the time that I've gotten to know you in being able to spend a lot of one on one time with you over the last several years months I know how much value that has so using you know this person this first place winner. They're getting a lot a tremendous amount of value for not only their life, but for their business and and where they're headed. So I think it's an awesome package that we put together and that they're going to be able to benefit from. So in looking at all the contestants it was it was a great day I. Love. You know the last hour that we've been spending together? It's fantastic hearing all the pitches. And before we announce the number one you to say thank you to all the contestants. I think they did an amazing job. There's a Lotta great companies that have a lot of value and go a long way I, think this per in particular company person stood out because they have agreed ability to expand and grow this business tremendously. So without any additional time I'm going to announce our first place winner was Ross. O'Dwyer. Gradually. Nice Guy But I. Really on you know David looking forward to getting to spend more time with you in back. Yeah you did a fantastic job I think in your in your overall pitch understanding you know the value of sports you know you know people watching sports, they WANNA consume I do think the cable companies and satellite companies have a little challenge with all the way sports are being consumed these days and I think that you're you're a business model on your ability to kind of monetize that and have that as a also a gambling platform I think is as a huge upside and it's kind of a newer industry in regards to online sports betting and I think you know really a fantastic. Grow Your Business. So I'm excited to see where it goes and congratulations again on the first place price. Yeah, we've we. Return. It's you know it's of being exciting program where we actually met. You can text is being just looking to grow and expand the business now along those routes that you are lying. So Pretty Son for feature. Awesome congratulations. Off. Well. There you have. We did it the great pilot, the two minute drill and I wanNA thank you. Especially, Brian for helping me here. We cleared experience and Bloomberg for two minute drill, we made it what it is it is our Friday training. So I want to mention a few things one I want to mention these great sponsors. This show would not be on TV throughout the airports, hotel rooms, and on Bloomberg, as well as the digital platforms starting in January we to start filming now that we got this down pattern if at least if I remember everything it'll be down pack but alkaline eighty-eight Dose Dale Carnegie Coastal Zule Vin Solar Muse and working stiffs and, of course, brags the seal of clarity experiences. This is incredible. You even can make me look good now remember everyone every Friday eleven am Pacific two PM EASTERN We have our training. It's free for everyone. So Sheriff Your Friends Family Associates. Next week's training is on manifestation. If you want the perfect pitch guide or exercises, just reach out to me directly David meltzer dot com, or join our tex community Brian's in there as well. Nine, four, nine, two, nine, eight to nine over five. I am so grateful to everyone for joining us. I'm so grateful for having this opportunity, and once again I know Brian, you have a daughter as well I'm so grateful to. A MEA marlon three beautiful daughters on National Daughter Day I. Love You so so much. Thank you hopefully for joining us here and remember most importantly everyone be kind to your future self and do good deeds. Thank you so much. Hey podcast listeners. Thank you for listening as always. Today's episode I. 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How to Get Rich: Every Episode + Extras

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How to Get Rich: Every Episode + Extras

"Hey this is navy. You're listening to develop podcast. This is one giant mega so that collects every episode. We've done on getting rich. All of it based on his tweet storm of how to get rich without getting lucky. I've collected the mall here because we're going to switch topics to the new topic of happiness on the next episode. We've published one of these giant megacities before but this one's even bigger. It's about three and a half hours long. It covers all the tweets from the had how to get rich tweets storm plus all the QNA that we did after that plus ten minutes of bonus material at the very end. Let we've never released the overall sound quality. This mega sewed improves a lot. After the first hour you can find a link to clean transcript in the show notes or if you go to the Website Light N v Dot. AL THERE'S NO DOT COM at the end. I hope you enjoy you. Probably Know Nevada from his twitter account. And we'RE GONNA be talking about his epic tweet storm on how to get rich without getting lucky. We're going to go through. Most of the tweets detail give Nevada chance to expand on them and just generally riff on the topic. You'll probably throw in some ideas that he hasn't even published before he's also the CO founder of angels and opinions. He's as a prolific tech investor in companies like twitter Uber and many more and I'm the CO founder Evangelists vol And I also co-authored venture hacks blog with him back in the day. Yeah how to get mistreats. Dorm definitely hit a nerve and a lot of people say it was helpful reached across aisles. People outside the tech industry people in all walks the life. People do want to know how to solve their money problems and everyone vaguely knows that they want to be wealthy but they don't have a good set of principles to you do it by. What's the difference between wealth? Money and status wealth is a thing that you really want. Wealth is assets that earn while you sleep when the factory that the robots as cranking out things. Wealth is the computer programs running at night that serving other customers wealth is even money in the bank that is being reinvested into other assets and into other businesses. Even a house can be a form of wealth because you can rent it out although let's probably lower user productivity but land than actually doing some commercial enterprise so my definition of wealth is much more businesses and assets that can earn while you sleep. What really the reason you want? Wealth is because of Bai Xue freedom. You don't have to wear a tie like a collar around your neck. They don't have to wake up at seven. AM and rush to work and sit and commute traffic. So you don't didn't have to waste away your entire life crying on the productive hours into away to a sold us. Job Isn't fulfill you so the purpose of wealth is freedom. It's nothing more than that. It's I'd like to bipolar coats or dried ferraris or sail yachts or jet around the world new Gulfstream. That stuff gets really boring and really stupid really fast. It's really just so that you are your own so Saban individual. You're not GonNa get that unless you really want it. And the entire world wants it. The entire world is working hard at it and to some extent competitive. It's a positive sum game but there are competitive elements to it because there's a finite amount of resources right now in society and to get the resources to do what you want. You have to stand out. Money is how we transfer wealth money is social credit's it is the ability to have credits and debits on other people's time. If I do do one job right if I create value for Society Society says Oh thank you. We owe you something in the future for the work that you did in the past. Here's a little I oh you. Let's call that money. And that money gets debase because people steal the I o use the government prince extra. IOU's people reneged on their. I owe us but really what money is is trying to be it is trying to be a reliable. IOU From Society. That your own something for something you or someone who gave you the money did in the past and we can transfer transfer the Around so really. Money is how we transfer wealth there. Fundamentally to huge came in life that people play one is the money game. Because money's not gonNA solve all your problems but it's going to solve all your problems so I think that people know that they realized that's too they wanna make money but at the same time many of them deep down believed that they can't make it they. They don't want any wealth creation to happen so they virtue signal by attacking the whole enterprise by saying well. I'm making money is evil. You shouldn't do it Blah Blah Blah. But what they're trying to do is they're actually actually play the game. Which is the status game trying to be high status in the eyes of other people watching by saying I don't need money? We don't want money and then status. It's just your ranking in the social hierarchy so wealth is not a zero sum game. Everybody in the world can have a house. Because you have a house doesn't take away from my ability to have a house. If anything the more houses that are built the easier it becomes to build houses the more we know about building houses and this the more people that can have houses so wealth is a very positive sum. Game we it create things together. We're starting endeavor to create this hopefully piece of art. That explains what we're doing at the end of it. Something brand new will be created positive. Sum Game Status on the other hand is zero-some game debris old game we've been playing since monkey tribes Hierarchical who's number one. WHO's number two? WHO's number three and for number three to move to number two number two has to move out of that slot so status zero-some game politics is an example of status game even sports example of a status asking to be the winner? There must be a loser. I don't plan them into the Love Status Games. They play an important role in our society. So we figure out WHO's in charge but fundamentally you play them because they're a necessary discern evil. The problem isn't evolutionary basis. Like if you go back. Thousands of your status is a better predictor of survival than wealth. Is You couldn't have wealth before the farming age before farmers couldn't store things hunter-gatherers cared everything on their backs so hunter gatherers lived in Thailand status based societies farmers. Started going to wealth societies in the modern industrial economies are much more heavily wealth based societies. But there's always a subtle competition going on between status and wealth for example when journalists attack which people or attack the technology industry. They're really bidding for status. They're saying no the people are more important and I- journalists represents sends people and therefore I am more important. The problem is that by playing these status games to win the status gave. You have to put somebody else down. That's why you should avoid Loyd Status Games in your life because they make you into an angry combative person. You're always fighting to put other people down to put yourself in the people that you like up and and they're always going to exist. There's no way around it but just realized that most of the times when you were tried to create wealth you're actually getting attack or someone else and they're trying to look like a goody eighty two shoes but the movie what they're doing is they're trying to up their own status at your expense. They're just playing a different game and it's a worse game it's a zero-some game. Instead of a positive sum on game one thing you mentioned before the interview that stuck with me was the idea that you think everyone can become rich and that perhaps some of the ways of getting rich or the idea of wealth is vilified by some people in other countries. Say you want to expand on that a little bit yeah. I think there's US that making money is evil right. It's like rooted all the way back down to money's the root of all evil people think that the bankers steeler money and it's somewhat true in that in a lot of the world. There's a lot of theft going on all the time. The history of the world in some sense this Predator prey relationship. We'd makers and takers. There are people who go out and create things and build things and work hard on things and there are people who come along with a sword or a gun or taxes or crony capitalism the more communism. Or what have you. There's all different methods of steel. Even in nature there are more parasites that there are non parasitical organisms. You have China parasites in you. Who are living off of you and the better weather symbiotic giving something back but there are a lot that are just taking? Let's just the nature of how any complex system is built but what. I am focused on on his true wealth. Creation it's not about taking money. It's not about taking something somebody else but it's when creating abundance obviously there's not a finite number of jobs refund refund amount of wealth otherwise we would still be sitting on caves for divide a piece of firewood. And you know the occasional dead deer so most of the wealth and civilization in fact most all of it has been created and got created from somewhere got cleaned from people it got created from technology equipment productivity equity from hard work. So this idea that stolen stolen is I think this horrible zero-some game that people who are trying to gain status play but the reality is everyone can be rich and we can insist that by seeing that in the first world. Everyone is richer in almost anyone who was allied two hundred years ago two hundred years ago. Nobody antibiotics nobody had cards nobody. Nobody had electricity. Nobody had the iphone so all of these things are inventions that have made us wealthier as a species. Today I would rather be a poor person in the first world. Oh country than be a rich person in Louis the fourteenth France. I'd rather be poor person. Today didn't Aristocrat back then and that's just because of wealth creation engine it technologies science that has applied for the purpose of creating abundance. So I think fundamentally everybody can be wealthy and the thought experiment I want you to think too is imagine if everybody had the knowledge of a good software engineer and a good hardware engineer if you could go out there and you can build robots and computers. I and Bridges and program than. Let's every human knew how to do that. What do you think society would look like in twenty years? My guess is what would happen is we would build robots botts machines software and hardware to do everything and we would all be living in massive abundance. We would essentially be retired in the sense that none of us would have to work for any of the basics. We'd even have robotic nurses. We have like machine driven hospitals. We'd have self driving cars we'd have farmed that are one hundred percent automated. We'd have clean energy energy so at that point. We could use technology breakthroughs to get everything that we wanted and if anyone is still working at that point. They're working as a form of expressing their creativity their working because it's in them to contribute and to build a design things but I don't think capitalism is evil capitalism is actually good. It's just that it gets hijacked hijack it gets hijacked by improper pricing finalities it gets hijacked by improper yields where that you have corruption or monopolies the over all capitalism is intrinsic to the human species capitalism is not something we invented. Capitalism is not even something we discovered. It is innate to us in every exchange change that we have when you and I change information I want some information back from you. I give you information you give me information. If we weren't having a good information exchange you go talk to somebody else so the notion of exchange and keeping track of credits and debits. This is built into us as flexible social animals. We are the only animals in the animal kingdom the Cooper Robert Across genetic boundaries. Most animals didn't cooperate but when they do they cooperate only impacts where they go off together in this year blood so they have some shared interests. Humans don't have that and what let us cooperate. It's because we can keep track of debits and credits who put him. How much work? Who contributed how much that's all free market? Capitalism capitalism is so. I strongly believe that it is innate to the human species and we are going to create more and more wealth and abundance for everybody everybody can be wealthy. Everybody can be retired everybody can be successful. It is merely a question of education and desire. You have to want it if you don't want it that's fine then you opt out of the game but don't try to put down the people who are playing the game because that's the game that keeps you in a comfortable warm bed at night. That's the game that keeps a roof over over your head. That's a game that keeps your supermarket stock. That's the game that keeps the iphone buzzing in your pocket so it is a beautiful game that is worth playing ethically rashly barley socially for the human race. And it's going to continue to make us all rich richer until we have massive wealth creation for anybody who wants it and it's not just individual secret secretly despising wealth riders countries groups political parties that overtly Desai's wealth or at least seemed to. That's right and so what. Those countries political parties in groups are reduced playing the zero sum game of status and the process the destroy wealth creation. They dragged everybody down to their level. Which is why the? US is a very popular country for immigrants. Because the American dream anyone can come here report and then work really hard and make money and get wealthy but even just make some basic money for their lives. Obviously definition wealth is different for different people. A virtual citizens definition of wealth might be or have to make millions of dollars in a completely done where to Third World Poor immigrant emigrant just entering the country and we were poor immigrants. Who came here when I was fairly young to the United States wealth may just be a much lower number may just be that? I don't have to work a manual labor job for the rest of my life that I don't WanNa work but groups that despise it will essentially bring the entire group down to that level. If you get too many takers and not enough makers society falls apart you end up with a communist country look Venezuela right there were so busy taking in dividing and reallocating that people literally starving in the streets in losing kilograms ends of body weight every year just sheer starvation. Another way to think about is imagine an organism that has too many parasites. You actually need some small number of parasites stay healthy and you meet a lot of sin buyouts like all the Mida Qendra in all of our cells that help us respirate and burn oxygen. These are symbiosis outs. That help us survive. We can survive without them but to me those are partners in the wealth creation that creates the human body. But if you just were filled with parasites if you've got infected with worms warns or a virus or bacteria that were purely power cynical. You would die so any organism can only stand a small number of parasites and when the parasitic acidic element gets too far out of control. You die so you know not again. I'm like Ma ethical wealth patient monopolies crony capitalism and talk. My Miss is priced extra nowadays like the environment. I'm talking about free minds and free markets small-scale exchange between humans is voluntary and doesn't have an outsized impact on others. But I think I think that kind of wealth creation if a society does not respect it the group does not respect it that society will plunge into ruin in darkness. Obviously we want to be wealthy and we want WanNa get there in this lifetime without having to rely on luck a lot of people think making money is about luck. It's not it's about becoming the kind of person that makes money you know. I like the vet if I lost all my money and if you drop me on a random street in English speaking country within five ten years I'd be wealthy again right because it's is just a skill set that I've developed and I think anyone can develop you know in a thousand parallel universes. You want to be wealthy in nine hundred nine of them. You don't want to be wealthy. The fifty of them were. You Got Lucky. So we WANNA factor luck out of it. There's really four kinds of luck that we were talking about. This came from a book. P Markelle Mark Hendrickson wrote a blog post about about it. But there's different kinds of luck. The first kind of lucky might just say like blind luck where I just got lucky because something completely out of my control happen you you know that's fortune that's fate etc then. There's luck that comes through persistence hard work hustle motion which is when you're just running around creating lots of opportunities you're generating a lot of energy. You're doing a lot of things. Lots of things will just get stirred up in the dust. It's almost like mixing a petri dish in seeing. What combines or or mixing a bunch jewelry agents in seeing what combines you're just generating force in hustle energy that luck will find you a third way is that you become very good at spotting luck so if you are very skilled in a field you will notice when a lucky break happens in that field and other people who aren't attuned to it won't notice so so you become sensitive to luck ambassador skill knowledge and work and then the last kind of luck is the weirdest hardest kind? But that's what we want to talk about. Which is would you build hold a unique character? A unique brand a unique mindset where them luck finds you for example. Let's say that you're the best person in the world at deep sea underwater diving and you're known to take on deep-sea underwater dies if nobody else will even attempt to dare and then By sheer luck somebody finds a sunken treasure ship off the coast. They can't get at will their luck just became your luck because they're gonNA come to you to get that treasure when you're GONNA get paid for it now that's extreme example but it's just showing. How like the person who got lucky but finding the treasure chest that was blind luck but them coming to you and asking commute extracted and having to give you half? That's not luck you created your own You'll put yourself in a position to be able to capitalize on that luck or to attract that luck when nobody else has created needed that opportunity for themselves so when we talk about without getting Mucky we WANNA be deterministic. We don't WANNA leave it to chance. Do you WANNA elaborate a little bit more on the idea that in a thousand parallel universes you WanNa get rich in nine hundred ninety nine of them. I think some people are going to see that and say that sounds impossible. Sounds it's like it's too good to be true no. I don't think it's impossible. I think that you may have to work a little bit harder at it. Given you're starting circumstances may remember. I started as a poor kid in India right so if I can make it anybody can in that sense now. Obviously I had all my limbs in I had my mental faculties did have education so there are some prerequisites. You can't can't get past but if you're listening to this video or podcast you probably have the requisite means at your disposal which is functioning body in a functioning mind and I've encountered plenty of bad luck along the way I little fortunate I made. I instantly lost in the stock market the second little fortune that I made or should have made I got cheated by business partners. It's only the third time around has been a charm and even then it has been a slow and steady struggle and I haven't made money in my life in one giant payout. It's always been and a whole bunch of small things piling up so it's more about consistently creating wealth by creating businesses including opportunities including investments. It hasn't awesome been like a giant one off thing. My personal wealth has not been generated by one a big year. It just stacks up little bit chips at a time. More options Sion's more businesses more investments. More things I can do same way. Someone like denied certes. He's building his brand online building videos. It's not like any one video who is going to suddenly shower with which is overnight. It's going to be a long lifetime of learning reading of creating as just GONNA compound so we're talking about getting wealthy so you can retire so you have your freedom not retire. The sense of you don't do anything but in the sense that you don't have to be any place you don't WanNa be. You don't have to do anything you don't WANNA do. You can wake up when you want. You can sleep in you want you. Don't have a boss that's freedom so we're talking about enough wealth to get to freedom especially thanks to the Internet these days those those opportunities are massively abundant. I in fact have too many ways to make money. I don't have enough time. I literally have opportunities pouring out of my ears in the thing. Keep running out of his time. There's just so many ways to create wealth to create products to create businesses to create opportunities into as a byproduct get paid by society that I can't even handle it all. I think it's pretty interesting that the first three kinds of luck that you described there are very common cliches for them that everybody everybody knows and then for that last kind of luck that comes to you out of the unique way that you act. There's no real cliche for it. So for the first three kinds there's dumb locker blind luck. That's the first kind of luck. The second kind of luck does the cliche that fortune favors the bold. That's a person who gets lucky. Just by stirring the pot and acting the third kind of look people say that chance favors the prepared mind but for the fourth kind of luck there is not really lia common cliche out there that matches the unique character of your action which I think is interesting and perhaps an opportunity ended also just shows that people aren't necessarily taking advantage of that kind of luck the way they should be I think also at that point it starts becoming so deterministic monistic that it stops being luck so the definition starts fading from luck to more destiny so I would characterize that fourth one. Is You build your character character. In a certain way and then your character becomes your destiny one of the things. I think that it's important to making money. You want the kind of reputation that that makes people do deals through you. Use the example of like. If you're a great diverted treasure hunters will come in. Give peace a treasure for your diving skills if you're a trusted right High Integrity long-term thinking dealmaker then when other people want to do deals. But they don't know how to do them in a trustworthy manner with strangers injures they will literally approach you and give you a cut of the deal or offer you a unique deal just because of the integrity and reputation that you built up Warren Buffett. He he gets offered deals by companies and he gets to buy warrants and bailout banks. Do things that other people can't do because of his reputation but of course that's fragile. It has accountability on ability on the line. It has a strong brand on the line and as we will talk about later that comes accountability attached. But I would say character reputation. These are things that that you can build. That then will let you take advantage of opportunities if other people may characterizes lucky. But you know that it wasn't like you said that this fourth kind of luck is more or less a destiny. There's a quote from that original book that was in Mark's blog posts from Benjamin disraeli. Who I think was the former prime minister of the UK? The quote to describe this kind of luck was we make our fortunes and we call them fate eight. There were a couple of other interesting things about this kind of luck that were mentioned the blog post. I think it'll be good for the listeners. To hear about is that this fourth kind of luck can almost come out of e centric ways that you do your things in east central city is not necessarily a bad thing in this case in fact it's a good thing. Thank you absolutely because the world is a very efficient place so everyone has dug through all the obvious places to dig and so to find something that's new and novel novel uncovered it helps to be operating on a frontier. Where right there you have to be a little etc to be out on the frontier by yourself and then you just have to be willing to dig deeper than other other people do deeper than seems irrational? Just because you're interested yes the two quotes that I've seen that express this kind of luck. In addition to that Benjamin Indeed Isreaeli One are this from Sam Altman where he said. Extreme people get extreme results. I think that's pretty mice. And then there's this other one from Jeffrey feffer who's a professor at Stanford that you can't be normal and expect abnormal returns. I've always enjoyed that one too. Yeah and one quote that I like which is the exact opposite of that is placed. Two Games win stupid prizes. By a lot of people spend a lot of their time playing social games like on twitter where you just want to improve your social standing and you basically win stupid social prizes which are worthless. I guess the last thing that I have from this blog post is is just the idea that by pursuing these kinds of luck especially the last one basically everything but dumb luck by pursuing them. You essentially run out of unlock so if you just keep stirring the pot and stirring the pot that alone you will run out of unlock. Yeah or it could just be reversion version demean right so then at least neutralize. Lock so that. It's your own talents that come into play next. You go into more specific details on how you can actually get rich and how you can't get rich. The first point was about how you're not GONNA get rich. You're not going to get rich. Renting of your time. You must own equity a piece of business to gain your financial freedom. This is probably one of the absolute most important points. People seem to think that you can create wealth and make money through work and it's probably not going to work. There are many reasons for that but the most basic is just that your inputs are very closely tied to your output put in almost any salary job even one. That's paying a lot for our like lawyer or a doctor. You're still putting in the hours and every hour you get paid so what that means is when you're sleeping. You're not earning when you're retired. You're not earning when you're on vacation. You're not earning and you can't earn linearly if you look at you and doctors who get rich like like really rich. It's because they open a business. They open like a private practice by practice builds. A brand and that brand new tracks people build some kind of medical device or procedure or process process with intellectual property. So essentially you're working for somebody else and that person is taking on the risk in the accountability and the intellectual property and the brand so so they're just not going to pay you enough they're gonNa pay you the bare minimum that they have to get you good job and that can be a high bare minimum. But it's still not going to be true wealth where you're retired and then finally you're actually not even creating that much original for society like I said this tweets term should have been called. How to create wealth? Is this how to get rich with a more catchy title but you're not creating new society you just doing things over and over. And you're essentially replaceable. Because you're now doing a set role. Most set roles can be taught if they can be taught in school then. Eventually you'll be competing with someone who's got more. Recent knowledge has been taught and is coming in to replace you get much more likely to be doing a job that can be eventually replaced by a robot or by and a and it doesn't even have to be wholesale replaced overnight. It can replace a little bit of time and that eats into your wealth creation and therefore you're earning capability so fundamentally your inputs are matched outputs. You're replaceable and you're not being creative. Data I just don't think that that is a way that you can truly make money so everybody will really make money at some point. owns a piece of or a business or some kind of Ip that can be in stock options. So if you can do working at Tech Company finally to start but usually the real wealth is created by starting your own companies Owned by you know even investors their investment firm and they're buying equity. These are much more the rats the wealth. It doesn't come to the hours. You really just want want a job or career or profession your inputs massacre outputs so if you look at modern society against US later the tweet storm businesses that have high creativity activity and high leverage. Tend to be ones where you could do. An hour worth. It can have a huge effect or you can do a thousand hours working have no effect for example look at software engineering. Great engineer can for example Bitcoin in creating billions of dollars worth of value on an engineer. WHO's working the wrong thing or not? Quite as good or just not the creative with thoughtful or whatever can work for an entire year and every piece of code ship and with not getting used customers. Don't want it. That is an example of the profession. where the input and the outputs highly disconnected? It's not based on the number of hours that you put in whereas on the extreme other end. If you're a lumberjack. Even the best lumberjack the world assuming they're not working with tools the inputs outputs refer connective student acts or saw the best lumberjack in the world. Maybe like three X.. Better than one of the worst lumberjacks right. It's not gonna be a gigantic difference. So you want to look for professions in careers were the inputs and the outputs are highly disconnected. There's another way of saying that you want to look for things that are leveraged by leverage. I don't mean financial leverage alone. Like Wall Street uses and that has a bad name. I'm just talking about tools. Where using tools computer's computer's a tool that software engineers use? If I'm a lumberjack with bulldozers and automatic robot accident size I'm going to be using tools and have more leverage than some of just using his their hands and trying to rip the trees out by their roots tools and leverage are what create this disconnection between inputs outputs creativity to the higher the creativity eighty component of a profession the more likely to have disconnected inputs outputs. So I think that. If you're looking at professions where your input output or highly connected did it's going to be very very very hard to create wealth and make wealth for yourself in that process any other big things you should avoid other than renting out your time. mm-hmm yeah there are two tweets that put out that are related. So I was talking about somewhere Your lifestyle has to upgrade shouldn't get upgraded to fast in that one said Ed people who are living far below their means enjoy freedom that people busy upgrading. Their lifestyle is just can't fathom and I think that's very important like just not upgrade your lifestyle all the time to maintain your freedom and it just gives your freedom of operation. Once you make a little bit of money you still want to be living like your old self. So that just the where he goes away to. Don't run out to upgrade that house lifestyle and all that stuff. What's your getting paid? Two thousand dollars an hour. The problem is that when you go into a work lifestyle like like that. You don't just suddenly go from making twenty dollars an hour to making a thousand dollars an hour. That's a progression over a long career. And as that happens once subtle. Problem is that you upgrade upgrade. Your lifestyle as you make more money and that up quitting on the lifestyle obsolete you consider to be wealth and you stay in this wage slave trap so I I forget who said it but he said you know the most dangerous things are heroin and a monthly salary right. Because they're highly addictive the way you WanNa get wealthy you WanNa be poor and working and working and working and this is for example how the tech industry works will you. Don't make any money for ten years and then suddenly you're Levin. You might have a giant payday which is what by the way one reason why these very high marginal tax rates so-called wealthier flawed because the highest risk taking most creative professions literally. Lose money for a decade of your life while you take massive risk and you bleeding bleeding bleed and then suddenly in year eleven or year fifteen. You might have one single big payday but then of course Uncle Sam show show up and say hey you know what uses a lot of money this year. Therefore you're rich there for your evil and you got to hand it over to us. So it's destroys those kinds of creative risk taking professions. But ideally. You make your money. In discrete lumps separated over long periods of time. So that your own lifestyle does not have a chance to adapt quickly and then you can say okay. Now I'm done now. I'm retired now in free. I'm still gonNA work because he got to do something with your life but I'm GonNa work on only the things that I want when I want instead of you much creative expression than much less about money you're not gonna get rich renting out your time but you say that you will get rich by giving society what it wants but does not yet know how to get at scale. That's right so essentially we talked about before money is I A- us from society saying you something good in the past now. Here's something that we owe you for the future and so- society will pay you for creating things things that it wants. Society doesn't yet know how to create those things. Because if it did it would need you. They would already be stamped out big time almost everything everything in your house in your workplace on the street used to be technology at one point in time the time when oil was acknowledged. That may Jay Rockefeller rich with a time when cars ars were technology that made Henry Ford Rich. So technology is just the set of things Alan case that don't quite work yet. Wants something worth is no longer technology society society always want new things. And if you want to be wealthy you want to figure out which one of those things you can provide for society that it does not yet yet know how to get but it will want. That's natural to you and within your skill set when your capabilities and then you've got scale it because if you just build one of it that's not enough you you gotTa build thousands or hundreds of thousands or millions or billions of them so everybody can have one Steve Jobs and his team of course to get out that society would want smartphones computer pocket. That had all the phone thirty times a hundred and be easy to use so they figured out how to build that and how to scale it and they figured out how to get one into into every first world citizens pocket and eventually every third full citizen to and so because of that their heads later awarded an apple is the most valuable company in the world. The way I tried to put. It was the the entrepreneurs job is to try to bring the high end to the mass market. It starts his high end. I started active the creativity I e created. Just because you want it you want it and you know how to build it and you need it and so you build for yourself then you figure out how to get it to other the people and then for a little while rich people have it like for example. Rich people had chauffeur's than than they had black town cars and then Uber came along and everyone's private driver was available to everybody. And now you can even see Pools that are replacing shuttle buses. Because it's more convenient and then you get scooters which aren't even for the down market of that so you're right. It's about distributing in what rich people used to have everybody but the entrepreneurs jobs start even before which is creation. Entrepreneurship is essentially inactive creating something new from scratch. Predicting the society will want it and then figuring out how to scale it and get it to everybody in a profitable way in self-sustaining. Let's look at this next tweet. which which I thought was cryptic and also super interesting about the kind of job or career that you might have? You said the Internet has massively really broaden the possible space careers. Most people haven't figured this out yet. The fundamental property of the Internet more than any other single thing is it connects every human to each other human on the plan. You can now reach everyone whether it's by emailing them personally. What is broadcast into them on? Twitter wins by posting something on facebook that they find whether it's by putting a website they come in access. It connects everyone to everyone. So the Internet is an injured networking tool. It connects everybody anybody. That isn't superpower. So you want to use that. What that helps you figure out? Is that the Internet. Means that you can find your audience for your product. The talent and skill no matter how far away they are for example Nimrod whose service if he needs videos pre internet. How would we get the message out there? It would just be. What would he do he would run around where he lives in his neighborhood? Showing it to people on a computer or screen or he would try to get. It played with local movie theater. It was impossible. It only works because he can put it on the Internet and then how many people in the world are really interested in it or even interested in what we're talking about a really gonNA absorb it right. It's going to be very small subset of humanity. The key is being able to reach them. So what the Internet does allow any niche obsession which could be just the weirdest thing it could be like. People who collect snakes still like people who like the ride. Hot Air Yeah. Balloon the people who like to sail around the world by themselves. Just one person Mona craft or someone who's obsessed with miniature cooking this whole Japanese major cooking phenomenon or there's a a show about a woman goes into people's houses and tidies up right so whatever niche obsession you have. The Internet allows the scale now. That's not to say that what you build will be the next facebook the reach billions of users. But if you just WANNA reach fifty thousand passionate people like you. There's an audience out there for you. So the beauty of this is that we have seven billion beings this planet the common interests of Human DNA. Incredible everyone is completely different. You'll never meet any two people who even vaguely similar to each other that can substitute for each other. It's not you you can say. Well maybe just left my life so I can have this other person come in. And he's just like navy and I get the same feelings the same responses and same ideas. No there are no substitute for people. People people are completely unique so given that each person has different skill sets different interests different obsessions and it's that diversity. That becomes a creative superpower. So each person can be creatively superb at their own unique thing before that didn't matter because if you're living a little fishing village in Italy like you're fishing shing village didn't necessarily need you're completely unique steel and you had to conform to just a few jobs that were available but now today you can be completely unique you can go go out on the Internet and you can find your audience and you can build a business and create a product and build wealth and make people happy just uniquely expressing yourself through the Internet. An space of careers has been so broaden east sports players people making millions of dollars. Thanks for tonight people creating videos and upload on youtube broadcasters bloggers you know a podcast the Joe Rogan. I read true or false. I don't know but he's GonNa make about one hundred million dollars a year on his podcast and he's like two billion downloads. Even Pudi Pie Zahid is his tweet tweeted the other day Pudi pies number one trusted name in news. This is a kid. I think in Sweden and he's got three times a distribution of the top cable news networks extinctions news channels but even on his entertainment channel. The Internet enables any niche interest. As long as you're the best at it to scale out and the great great news as because every human is different. Everyone is the best at something you being themselves and other tweet I had that is worth weaving in but didn't go into this tweet storm was a very simple one. I like things that can compress them down. Because they're easy to remember it easy arm too but that one was escaped competition through authenticity. So so when you're competing with people it's because you're copying them. It's because you're trying to do the same thing. But every human is different don't copy medically Shire's Rene Girard has old nemesis theory but it's much easier than that don't imitate don't copy just do your own thing. No one can compete with you on being you. It's that simple. And so the more authentic event you are to who you are what you love to do the less competition you gotTa have so you can escape competition through authenticity when you realize that no one can compete with you on being so you and normally that would have been useless advice. Pre Internet hosts Internet. You can turn that into a career talk a little bit about what industries you should think about working in what kind of job you should have and who you might WanNa work with so you said one should pick an industry where you can play long-term games with long-term earn people. Why yeah this is an insight into what makes looking valley work? And what makes high trust societies where essentially all the benefits in life comes from compound interest whether it's in relationships or making money or in learning so compound interest is a marvellous force. Where it's like you know you start out with one one expert you have and then if you increase twenty percent a year for thirty years? It's not that you got Thirty Years Times twenty percent at on it was compounding so it just grew grew and grew through until you suddenly got a massive amount of whatever it is whether it's goodwill or love or relationships or money so I think compound interest is very important for you have to go to play a long term from game and long-term games are good that's compound interest. They're also good for trust if you're looking prisoner's dilemma. Type Games. Solution Prisoner's dilemma. Is Tit for tat. which is I'm just going? They do to you what you did last time to me with some forgiveness in case there was a mistake but that only works in an iterative. prisoner's dilemma. In other words. We play the game multiple times. So if you're you're in a situation like for example you in Silicon Valley where people doing business with each other and they know each other they trust each other than they do right by each other because they know this person. We'll be around for the next game now. Of course that doesn't always work because you can make so much money in one move in Silicon Valley. Sometimes people betray each other. Because they're just like I'm going to get rich enough of this that I don't Oh care so there can be exceptions all these circumstances but essentially if you want to be successful you have to work with other people and you have to figure out who can you trust and who can you trust over a long period of time that you can just keep playing the game with them. So the compound interest in high trust will make it easier to play the game. And we'll let you collect the major awards which are usually at the end of the cycle so for example. Warren Buffett done really well as an investor in the US stock market. But the biggest reason you can do that was because the the stock market has been stable at around and didn't get for example seized by the government during a bad administration or the. US didn't plunge into some war. The underlying platform what. I didn't get destroyed so in his case he was playing a long-term game and the trust came from the US. Stock Market's ability in Silicon Valley. The trust comes from the network. The people in the small geographic area that you figure out over time we can work with who you can't if you keep switching locations. Keep switching groups. Let's say you started out in the woodworking industry industry and you build up a network there and you're working hard. You're trying to build a product of woodworking industry and suddenly in the industry comes along that's adjacent but different but you don't really know anybody a and you want to dive in and make money there if you keep hopping from industry no actually need to open a line of electric cars. Stations for electric car refueling. That might make sense. It might be the best opportunity opportunity but every time you reset every time you want out of where you built your network you're GONNA be starting from scratch you're not gonNA know who to trust their nothing entrust you. They're also industries in which people are transient by definition always coming in and going out politics. In example of that right in politics new people are being elected. UC In in politics. That when you have a lot of old timers like the Senate people who've been around for a long time and they've been career politicians yet. A lot of downside to career politicians that corruption but an upside slide is they actually get deals done with each other. Because they know the other person's going to be in the same position ten years from now and they're going to keep dealing with them so they might as well learn how to cooperate whereas every time you get get like a new incoming freshman class in the House of Representatives which turns over every two years the big wave election. Nothing gets done because a lot of fighting because I just got here. I don't know Oh you know if you're going to be around. Why should I work with you rather than just trying to do whatever I think is right so it's important to pick an industry where you can play long-term games and with long-term people so those people have to signal that they're going to be around for a long time that there are ethical and their ethics are visible to their action in a longterm game? It seems that everybody is making each other rich and short-term game it seems like everybody's making themselves rich I I think that is a brilliant formulation yet in long-term game it's positive some. We're all baking quiet together. We're trying to make as big as possible in a short term game. We're cutting up the PIE now. This is not excused socialists. Right Socialist People's were not involved in baking the pilot who showed up at the end and say I wanNA slice or I want the whole pie bishop of the guns but I think think good leader doesn't take credit leader tries to inspire people's at the team gets the job done and then things get divided up according to fairness who contributed how much as close as possible and to risk as opposed to just whoever has the longest night the sharpest knives at the end. So this next two tweets are Klay iterative games. All returns in life whether in wealth relationships are knowledge. Come from compound interest. Yet when you've been doing business with somebody who'd been friends with somebody for ten years twenty years thirty years it just gets better and better because you trust them so is it. The friction goes down. You can do bigger and bigger things together. For example the simplest one is getting getting married to someone. Having kids and raising children like that's compound interest right investing in those relationships. Those relationships end up being invaluable compared to more casual relationships. It's true in health and fitness. You know the fitter you are the easier to stay fit. Where's the morning deteriorate? Your body the hardest to come back and claw your way back to a baseline requires roic acts regarding compound interest. I think I saw you re tweet something a while. Back maybe was from Ed gladden more. It was something along the lines of jet at some traction get purchase and don't lose it so the idea was to gain some initial traction and never fall back. Just keep ratcheting up in up at remember it exactly but I think that was right. Yeah I was like get traction and don't let go. It was a good one. Yeah in terms of the people that work with that have high intelligence energy energy and high integrity. I find that's three-part checklists that you cannot compromise on. You need someone who's smart or they're heading in the wrong direction and you're not gonNA end up in the right place you you need someone high energy because the world's full of smart lazy people we all know people in our lives really smart but you can't get out of bed lift a finger and we also know people who are very high energy but not doc at smarts. They work hard but they're running in the wrong direction and smart. It's not a pejorative. It's not meant to be like someone smart someone else's stupid but it's more than everyone smarter different things so so depending on what you WANNA do. Well you have to find someone who's smart at that thing and then energy. A lot of times people unmotivated for specific thing but they're not motivated for other things for example so one might be really unmotivated to go to a job and sit in an office but they might be really motivated to go paint right case. They should be a painter. They should be putting art up on the Internet trying to figure out how to build a career out of that rather than winning collar around their neck and going to a dreary job and then high integrity the most important because otherwise got the other two which you so have you have a smart and hardworking crook eventually GonNa Cheat you so you have to graft versus high integrity and as we talked about the way you do that is the signals and signals is. What what they do not what they say? It's all the non verbal stuff that people do when they think nobody's looking with respect to the energy there was this interesting thing from San Maltman. Awhile back where he was talking about. Delegation saying one of the important things for delegation is delegate to people who are actually good at the thing that you want to do is the most obvious thing but it seems like you WanNa partner with people who are naturally going to do the things that you want them to do. Yeah I almost won't start a company or higher personal work with somebody if I just don't think they're into what I wanted to do. When I was younger I used to try and talk people into the things I was? Ideally you can sell someone into doing something but you can't you can't keep them motivated. You can get them inspired. Initially it might work. If you're King Henry the fifth you're trying to get them to charge into battle and then they'll figure it out but if you're trying to keep someone motivated for the long term that motivation has to come intrinsically. You can't just create it nor can you be the crutch for them if they don't have contingent of motivation so you have to make sure people actually are high energy and what I do what you want them to do what you want to work for them. The weaving signals is very very important. Signals are what people we'll do despite what they say though it's important to pay attention to subtle signals. We all know this socially if someone treats a waiter waitress in a restaurant we badly Ben. It's only a matter of time until they treat you badly if somebody screws over in enemy and has been dictated to where does them while. It's only a matter of time before they redefine you from Frente enemy. And you feel the wrath so angry outraged vindictive short-term thinking people are essentially that way in many interactions middle life people oddly consistent sent one of the things. You'll learn about them so you WanNa find long-term people you wanna find people who seem irrationally. Ethical example I had one friend of mine was company. I invested Zidan and the company failed and he could wipe out all the investors but he kept putting more and more personal money in through three different pizzi for personal money in until the company finds exceeded and in the process he never wiped out the investors and I was always grateful to him for that I said like wow. That's amazing that you know you are so good to investors. You didn't wipe them out and he got offended by that. He said I didn't do it for you. I didn't do it for my message and did it for me. It's my own self esteem. It's what I care about. That's how I live my life. That's the kind of person you WanNa work with another quoted a like. I would tweet on this thing. I read this somewhere else. We saw that taking credit for this but modified a little bit which is that self esteem is a reputation nations that you have with yourself. You'll always know so good. People moral people ethical people easy to work with people. Reliable people tend to have very high self esteem because they have very good reputation with themselves and they understand that it's not ego self esteem. An Ego different things with ego can be undeserved but self esteem. At least you feel like you lived up to your own internal moral code of ethics and sets a very hard to work with people who ended up being low integrity. That is hard to figure. Iraq was high integrity low integrity generally the more someone is saying that their moral unethical in high integrity. The less likely to be that way. It's very much like status signaling if you overtly bid for starters if you overlay talk about being high status that low status move if you openly talk about how honest and reliable and trustworthy. You're you're you're probably not that honest and trustworthy. That is a health terrific conman so yes take an industry in which you can play long-term games with long-term people. So let's do this last week. You said don't partner with cynics. Pessimists their beliefs are self-fulfilling. Yeah essentially to create the things you have to be a rational optimist. Rational in the sense that you see the world for what it really is and you have to be optimistic about your own capabilities. And you're Ludi to get things done. We all know people who are consistently pessimistic. Who will shoot down everything? Everyone in their life has the helpful critical guy right. He thinks he's being helpful helpful but he's actually been critical down on everything. That person will not only never do anything great alive. They'll prevent other people around them for doing and something great. They think their job is to shoot holes in things and it's okay to shoot holes in things as long as you come up with the solution. There's also the classic like military line. I the lead lead follow or get out of the way and these people wanNA fourth option where they don't want to lead they don't WanNa follow but they don't want to get out of the way they wanna tell you why the things not going to work and all the really successful people I know have a very strong action bias. They just do things the easiest way to figure out if something's viable or not is by doing it at least do the first or step in the second step in the third and then decide so if you want to be successful in life creating wealth or having good relationships or being fit or even being happy you need to have an action biased biased towards getting what you want and you have to be optimistic about it not irrationally. There's nothing worse than someone who's as the foolhardy and chasing not work as a rational optimist. But you have to be rational. No all the pitfalls no the downsides but still keep your chin up. You've got one life on this planet. Why not try to build something big? This is the beauty of Elon. Musk wife think he inspires so many people as he takes on really really big audacious tasks and he provides an example for people to think big and it takes a lot of work to build even small things. I don't think the Corner Grocery store owner is working any less hard than Elon. Musk or pouring any less sweat and toil into it maybe even more but for whatever number reason education circumstance they didn't get the chance to think as big so the outcomes not as big so. It's just better to think big obviously rationally within your means. Stay optimistic mystic the cynics in the pessimists with they're really saying and fortunate but there's I've given up I don't think I can do anything and so the world to me just looks like like a world where nobody can do anything and so why should you go do something because if you fail that I'm right which is great but if you succeed and you just make me look bad yes yeah. It's probably better to be irrational optimists than it is to be irrational syntech. Yeah there's a completely rational frame on why you should be an optimist historically me if you go back two thousand years five thousand ten thousand years two people one into a jungle. They hear a tiger one's an optimistic says. Oh it's not headed our way. The other one says I'm the pessimist I'm Outta here from the pessimist runs. Survives and optimists gets eaten so we descended from pessimists we genetically hardwired to be pessimists but modern modern societies far far safer there no tigers wandering down the street. It's very unlikely that you will end up in total ruin leash. Avoid total ruin much more likely. The upside is unlimited and the downside is limited. So at opting for modern society means overriding your pessimism and taking slightly irrationally optimistic. Big Bets because the upside is unlimited. If you start the next space x test low or Uber You could make billions of dollars value for society and for yourself and change the world and if you fail. What's the big deal? You lost a few million dollars. Invest your money and they've got plenty more and that's the bet they take the chances that you will succeed. It made sense to be pessimistic in the past. It makes sense to be optimistic today. especially if you're educated. Living in a first of all country usually real country actually think the Economic Opportunity Third World countries are much larger. The one one thing you have to avoid is the risk of ruin ruin means. Stay out of jail. So don't do anything that's illegal. It's never worth it to wear an orange jumpsuit and stay out of total catastrophic trophic loss. That could mean that you stay out of things that can be physically dangerous. Hurt your body you have to watch your health and stay out of things that can cause you to lose all of your capital. All all of your savings. They don't gamble everything. One go but you take rationally. Optimistic bets will big upside. I think there's people that will try and build up your ideas and build on your ideas no matter how far officially might seem and then there are people who will list all the obvious exceptions. No matter how obvious they are and unfortunately in the startup world I don't even really get exposed to the people that are giving you the obvious exceptions and all the reasons. It's not going to work. I'm barely get exposed does not anymore. That's what twitter is for. Scott Adams got slowing led by this came up with the phrase and acronym which is but of course there are obvious exceptions B. O. C. T. l. e. and he used to like pin that acronym at the end of his articles for a while but twitter insist like overrun with nitpickers. And exactly as you're pointing out. Silicon Valley has learned earn. The upside is so great that you never looked down on the Slavi kid who's wearing a Hoodie and has like coffee on his shoes. And this look like a Slob. Because you don't know if he's GonNa the next Mark Zuckerberg or the next re Hoffman. That you've got to treat everybody with respect. You look up to every possibility opportunity because the upside is so unlimited. Downside is so limited in the modern world especially with financial acids instruments. You want to talk a little bit about the skills that you need in particular specific Acidic Knowledge Accountability Leverage and judgment. So the first tweet in this area is arm yourself with specific Knowledge Pledge Accountability and leverage. And I'll throw in judgment as well. I don't think you covered that in. That particular. tweeted if you WANNA make money you have if they get paid at scale and why you. That's accountability at scale that's leverage and just you'd getting paid as opposed to somebody. The office getting paid that specific knowledge so specific knowledge is probably the hardest thing to get across in this whole tweet storm and it's probably the thing that people get. The most confused fused about the thing is that we have this idea that everything can be taught everything can be taught in school and it's not true that everything could be taught in fact the most interesting interesting things cannot be taught but everything can be learned and very often that learning either comes from some innate characteristics in your DNA or it could be through your childhood where you'll learn soft skills which are very very hard to teach later on in life or it's something that is brand new so nobody else knows how to do it either. Either or it's true on the job training because your pattern matching into highly complex environments building judgment in a specific domain Hosni examples investing but it could could be anything it could be in judgment in running a fleet of trucks could be judgment in weather. Forecasting so specific knowledge is the knowledge that you care about especially if you're later in life let's say you're post twenty twenty one twenty two. You almost. Don't get to choose which specific knowledge you have rather you get to look at what you have already already built by that point in time and then you can build on top of it. The first thing to notice about specific knowledge is that you can't be trained for it if you can be trained for it if you can go to class class and learn specific knowledge than somebody else can be trained for it to and then we can. Mass produce in mass trained people had given program computers to do it and eventually we can program. Robots has to walk around doing it so if that's the case then you're extremely replaceable. And all we have to pay you is the minimum wage that we have to pay to get you to do it when there are lots of other takers. Who can be trained to do it? So really you're returned just devolve into your cost of training plus a return investment on that training so you really want to pick up specific knowledge. You need your schooling. You need your training to be able to capitalize on the best of acknowledged but depart of the Julia. Paid for is the specific knowledge for example. Someone who goes and gets a degree in psychology and then becomes a salesperson will if they were already a formidable salesperson had great salesmanship to begin with then the psychology degree is leverage. It arms them and they do much better at sales but if they were always an introvert never very good at sales and they're trying to use psychology to learn sales. They're just not going to get that great at it. Specific knowledge is found much more by pursuing your innate talents. Your genuine curiosity and your passion. It's not by going to school for whatever. It is the hottest job it's not for going into whatever field investor stands the hottest very often specific knowledge is at the edge of knowledge. It's also the stuff that's just being figured out or is really hard to figure out so if you're not one hundred percent into it somebody else who is one hundred percent into it will outperform you and they want to outperform outperform. You buy a little bit. They'll perform you buy a lot because now we're operating the domain of ideas compound interest really applies and leverage really applies. So if you're operating with a thousand times leverage and somebody is right eighty percent of the time and somebody else right. Ninety percent of the time. The person who's right ninety percent of the time will literally get paid hundreds hundreds of times more by the market because of the leverage because the compounding factors in being correct. So you really WanNa make sure you're good at it so the genuine curiosity is very important so very very often. It's not something you sit down you reason about. It's more found by observation. You almost have to look back on your own life and see what you're actually good at. For example I wanted to be a scientist and that is where a lot of my moral hierarchy comes from I view scientists at the top of the production chain for humanity and and the Group of scientists. who have made real breakthroughs and contributions of probably added more humane society? I think than any single other class of human beings not take away. Anything came from art or politics or engineering or business but without the science you know we'd still be scrambling the dirt fighting with sticks trying to start fires. My whole value system was built around scientists and I wanted to be a great scientist but when I actually look back at what I was uniquely. Good at what. I ended up spending my time. Doing it was more around making money tinkering with technology and selling people on things explaining things talking to people so I have some sales skills which is a form specific knowledge alleged that I have I have some analytical skills around how to make money in this ability to absorb data obsessive about it. Break it down. That is a specific skill that I have have. I also just love tinkering technology and all of this stuff feels like play to me but it looks like work to others so there are other people to whom these things would be hard they say like well. How do I get good at being pithy and selling ideas? Well if you're not already good at it or you're not really into it. Maybe it's not your thing focused on the thing that you who are really into. This is ironic but the first person to actually point out my real specific knowledge was my mother and she did it as an aside talking from the kitchen and she said it when I was like fifteen or sixteen years old I was telling a friend of mine that I wanted to be an astrophysicist and she said no you're going to go into business as what my mom's telling me I'm going to be in business. I'm I'M GONNA be an astrophysicist. Mom doesn't know what she's talking about. The mom knew exactly what she was talking about. She had already observed that every time we walk down the street I would critique the local pizza parlor on why they were selling their slices a certain way with certain toppings and why the process of ordering was this way when it should've been that way so she knew that I was had more business curious mind but then my obsession session with science combined to create technology and technology businesses where I found myself so very often your specific knowledge is observed in often observed by other people who we know you will and revealed in situations rather than something that you come up with to the extent that specific knowledge is taught. It's on the job it's through apprenticeship and that's why the best businesses the best careers are the apprenticeship careers because those are things. Society still has not figured out how to train and automate yet. The Classic Line here is that Warren Buffett went to Benjamin Graham Damme when he got out of school. And Benjamin Graham was the author of the intelligent investor is sort of modernized or created value investing disciplined and Warren Buffett. Went Benjamin Graham an offer or to work for him for free and Graham said actually you're overpriced free is overpriced and Graham was absolutely right that when it comes to a very valuable apprenticeship like the type that Graham was going to give buffet. Buffet should have been paying him a lot of money. And that right there tells you that those are skills worth knowing. Specific knowledge also tends to be technical in creative so on the bleeding edge of technology in the bleeding edge of art on the bleeding edge of communication. Even today for example there were probably meam. Lords boards out there on the Internet. Who can create incredible memes? That will spread the idea to millions of people or very persuasive like for example. Scott Adams the good example this is essentially becoming one of the most credible people in the world by making accurate predictions through persuasive arguments in videos. And that is specific acknowledged that he has built up over the years because he got obsessed with hypnosis when he was young he learned how to communicate through cartooning. He embraced periscope early. So He's been practicing axeing lots of conversation. He's read all the books topic. He's employed in his everyday life if you look at his girlfriend. She's like this beautiful young instagram model. That is example of someone who has built up a specific specific knowledge over the course of his career. It's highly creative. It has elements of being technical in it and is something that never going to be automated. No one's GonNa take that away from him because he's also accountable under one brand Scott Adams and he's operating with a leverage of media with periscope in drawing Dilbert cartoons writing books he has massive leverage on top of that brand and he can build wealth out of it if he wanted to build a digital wealth beyond what he already has. Should we be calling it unique knowledge or the specific knowledge. Somehow make more sense or you know. I came up with this framework when I was really young and we're talking. Decades decades is not probably over thirty years old and so at the time to specific knowledge stuck with these. That is how I think about it. The reason I didn't try and change it is because every other term that found for it was overloaded in a different way at least specific knowledge. Isn't that used acting rebranded. The probably unique knowledge is yeah. Maybe it's unique but if I learned from somebody else's no longer unique take that we both know it so it's not so much that it is unique. It's that it is highly specific to the situation. It's specific to the individual specific to the problem and and can only be built as part of a larger obsession interest and time spent in that domain. It can't just be read straight out of uh-huh single book nor can be taught single course nor could be programmed into a single algorithm speaking of Scott Adams he's got a blog post on How to build your career by getting in say the top twenty five percentile at three or more things and by doing that Eh? You become the only person in the world who can do those three things in the twenty fifth percentile so instead of trying to be the best at one thing. Just try to be very very a good three or more things. Is that a way of building specific knowledge. I actually think the best way is just a follow your own obsession and somewhere in the back of your mind you can realize that. Hey actually this obsession like I'll keep an eye out for the commercial aspects of it but I think if you go around trying to build it a little too deliberately if you become come to goal oriented on the money then you pick the right thing. You won't actually pick the thing that you love to do so you won't go deep enough into it. Scott Adams's observations a good one. It's predicated on statistics. Let's ten thousand areas that are valuable to the human race today in terms of knowledge to have and the number one in those ten thousand slots what's is taken right. Someone else's likely to be the number one each those ten thousand unless you happen to be one of the ten thousand most obsessed people in the world that are given thing but when you start going. The common interests of combining number three thousand seven hundred twenty eight with topnotch sales skills and really good writing skills and so on understands accounting and finance really well when the need for the intersection arrives. You've expanded now from ten thousand through talks to millions or tens of millions so it just becomes much less competitive also there's diminishing returns so it's much easier to be topped seventy five percentile at three. Your four things. That is to be the number one at something I think. It's a very a pragmatic approach. But I think it's important that one not start assembling things to deliberately because you do WanNa pick things where you are a natural everyone. One is a natural. It's something we're all familiar with that phrase a natural. Oh this person's unnatural it. Meeting men are win. This person's unnatural socialite this person's in natural program at his purchases of natural reader so whatever you are natural at you want to double down on that and then there are probably multiple things your natural at because personalities in humans are very very complex. So we WANNA be able to take the things that you are natural at an combine them so that you automatically just to share interests and enjoyment payment ended up top twenty five top ten or top five percent at a number of things talking about combining skills. You said that you should learn to Sell learn to build. If you can do both. You'll be unstoppable broadcasting two broad categories one is building the product which is hard and it's multi variant that can include design the conclude development that can include manufacturing logistics procurement. It could even be designing in operating service it has many many definitions but in every industry. There is a definition of the builder in our Tech Industry. Let's the CTO Tayo is. The programmer is the software engineer hardware engineer but even like a laundry business. It could be the person who's building laundry service who is making the trains run on time. Time was making sure all the closed end up in the right place the right time and so on then the other side of it is the sales side against selling has a very broad definition selling doesn't endlessly just means selling individual customers but it could mean marketing it could mean communicating. It could mean recruiting. It could be raising money. It could meet inspiring people it could be doing. Pr We are so. It's a broad umbrella category so generally the Silicon Valley startup model tends to work vast. It's not the only way but it is probably the most common way when you have two founders. One of whom is a world-class at sales in one of whom is world class at building an example. Of course Steve Jobs. Steve Wozniak with Apple Gates Allen probably has similar responsibility. Early on with Microsoft. Larry and Sergei probably broke down along those lines. Although it's a little different there because that was a very technical product delivered to end users to a simple interface but generally you will see this pattern repeated over and over. There's a builder and there's a seller there's a CEO and CTO Jio Combo an adventure. Technology investors are almost trained to look for this Combo whenever possible. It's the magic combination. The ultimate is when one one individual can do both. That's when you get true superpowers that's when you get people who can create entire industries. The living example is Elon. Musk he may not necessarily be golden the rockets himself but he understands enough that he actually makes technical contributions. He understands the technology. Well enough that no one's going to snow him on it and he's not running around around making claims that he doesn't think he can eventually deliver. He may be optimistic the timelines but he thinks this within reasonableness of delivery even Steve Jobs developed in the Franck skills and was involved enough in the product that he also operated in both of these domains. Larry Ellison start as a programmer and I think wrote the first version of Oracle was actually heavily involved in it mark. Andreessen was also in this domain. He may not have had enough confidence sales skills but he was the programmer who wrote Netscape navigator a big chunk of it so I think I think the real giants in any field are the people who can both build and sell and usually the building is the thing that like a sales person can't pick up building building later in life. It requires too much focused time but a builder can pick up selling a little bit lit especially if there were already in Italy wired to be a good communicator communicator Bill Gates famously paraphrase. This as I would rather teach an engineer marketing than a marketer engineering I think if you start out with a building mentality alabi and you have building skills and still early enough in your life or you have focused time that you think you can learn selling and you have some natural characteristics for your good salesperson than you can double down on those now. Your sales skills could be in a different than traditional domain. So for example. Say you're really good engineer. And then people are saying well ninety ninety to be good at sales or you may not be good at hand to hand sales but you may be a really good writer and writing is a skill that can be learned much more easily than say in person selling and so you may just cultivate writing skills until you become a good online communicator and then use that for your sales on the other hand could just be that. You're good builder builder. And you're bad at writing and don't let communicate to mass audiences but you're good one on one so then you might use your sales skills for recruiting for fundraising which more one on one kinds kinds of endeavors. This is pointing out. If you're at the intersection of these two don't despair because you're not going to be the best technologist in you're not going to be the best sales person but ah in a weird way that combination back. The Scott Adam skill stack that combination of two is unstoppable long-term people who understand the underlying product in how how to build it and can sell it. These are investors. These people can break down. Walls is to have enough energy and they can get almost anything done if you could only pick one to be good at. Which one would you pick when you're trying to stand off from the noise building is actually better because there's so many hustlers in sales people who have nothing to back them up when you're starting out when you're trying to be recognized building is better but much later down? The line building gets exhausting because it is a focus casse job and it's hard to stay current because there's always new people new products coming up who have newer tools and frankly more time is very intense very refocused tasks so sales skills actually scale better over time like for example if you have a reputation for building great product. That's good but when you ship your new product I'm gonNA rebounded based on the product but if you have a reputation for being a good person to do business with and your persuasive communicative than that reputation almost become self self-fulfilling if you only had to pick one you can start with building and then transitioned to selling cop out answer but I think that is actually the right answer before we go and talk about accountability and leverage in judgment. You've got a few tweets. Further down the line that I would would put the category of continuous learning. They're essentially there is no skill called business. Avoid business magazines and business class that he mike or Economics comics in theory psychology persuasion ethics mathematics and computers. There's one other comment. That you made in a periscope. That was you should be able to to pick up any book in the library and read it and the last tweet in this category was reading is faster than listening doing faster than watching. Yeah the most important tweet on this. I don't even have in here. Unfortunately which is the foundation of learning is reading. I don't know a smart person who doesn't read and read all the time and the problem is what do I read. How do I read because for most people struggle? It's a chore so the Most Important Thing is to learn how to educate yourself and the way to educate yourself S. develop develop a love for reading so the tweet that is left out. The one that was hinting at is read. What you love until you love to read? It's that simple everybody. I know who reads. It's a lot loves to read. And they love to read because they read books they loved so little bit of a catch twenty two. But you WANNA start off just reading wherever you are and then and keep building up from there until reading becomes a habit and then eventually you will get bored of the simple stuff so you may start off reading fiction than you might graduate the science fiction than you you may graduate to nonfiction than you graduate to science or philosophy mathematics or whatever it is but take your natural gas and just read the things that interest you until until you understand them and then you'll naturally move to the next thing in the next thing and the next thing now. There is an exception to this. Which is where I was ending with? What things you actually do WANNA learn which is at some point? There's too much out there to read and even reading is full of junk. There are actually things you can read especially early on that will program your brain a certain way and then later things that you read you will decide with those things were true or false based on the earlier things so it is important that you read foundational things and foundational things. Things I would say are the original books in a given field that race scientific in their nature so for example instead of reading business book. Pick Up Adam. Smith's the wealth of nations instead of reading a book on Biology Revolution. That's written today. I would pick up Darwin's origins theses instead of reading a book on Biotech. Right now that may be rated Vance. Just pick up the creation by Watson and Crick instead of reading advanced books on what cosmology and went. Neil degrasse Tyson. Stephen Hawking have been saying you can pick up Richard Fine six easy pieces of start with basic physics if you understand the basics especially in mathematics and physics in sciences. Then you will not not be afraid of any book all of us have that memory of when we were sitting in class and we're learning mathematics and it was all logical and all made sense until one point point class. Move too fast. And we fell behind and then after that we will left memorizing equations memorizing concepts without being will drive them from first principals at that moment were lost because unless you're professional mathematicians. You're not going to remember those things all you're gonNA remember are the techniques foundations. So you have to make sure that that you're building on a steel frame of understanding because you're putting together a foundation for skyscraper and you're not just memorizing things because you're just memorizing things. You're you're lost so the foundations are important and the ultimate the ultimate is when you walk into a library and you look at it up and down and you don't fear any book you know that you can take any book off the shelf. You can read it. You can understand it. You can absorb what is true. You can reject what is false in you have a basis uses for even working that out that is logical and scientific in purely based on opinions. The beauty of the Internet is the entire Library of Alexandria Times. Ten is at at your fingertips at all times. It's not the means of education or the means of learning are scarce the means of learning are abundant. It's the desire to learn that scarce. So you really have to cultivate the desires and it's not even cultivated. If did not lucid children have a natural curiosity. If you go to a young child WHO's first learning language language. They're pretty much always asking. What's this what's that? Why is this? WHO's that they're always ask questions? But one of the problems that schools and our educational system I don't even our way of raising. Children replaces curiosity with compliance. And once you replace the curiosity compliance you get an obedient factory worker but you no longer. aww Get a creative thinker and you need creativity you need that ability to feed your own brain to learn whatever you want and to me foundational things. Things are principles. They're algorithms their deep seated logical understanding. Would we can defend or attack it from any angle. And that's why micro crew economics is important because macroeconomics a lot of memorization. A lot of macro bullshit as Says it is easier to macro bullshit. The micro bullshit because macroeconomics on Mixes Voodoo Complex Science meets politics. You can't find too macro economist to agree on anything. These days and different macro economists get used by different politicians to peddle their different different pet theories. There are even macro-economists out there now pedaling. Something called modernizer theory which says hey except for this pesky thing called inflation. We can just print all the money that we want. Yes except for this pesky thing called inflation that's like saying instead of limited energy we can fire rockets off into space all day long. It's just nonsense. The fact that there are people who have macro-economists in their title are peddling modern minds. Or a theory just tells you macroeconomics as a so called science has been corrupted to blanche blanche politics so you really want to focus on the foundations foundation. The ultimate foundation are mathematics and logic if you understand logic and mathematics then you have the basis for understanding the scientific method once you understand the scientific method then you can understand how to separate truth from falsehood in other fields other things that you're reading so be very careful about reading other people's opinions in even be careful about reading facts because they'll call facts are often just opinions But you know with a veneer around them which you really are looking for his algorithms which are really looking for understanding. It's better to go through a book. Really slowly and struggle and stumbled in rewind that is to fly through it quickly and say will not read twenty books ever at thirty books. I read fifty books on the field. It's Bruce Lee said. I don't fear the man who knows a thousand kicks in two thousand Punches F. You're the man who's practiced one punch ten thousand times one kick ten thousand times. It's the understanding ending that comes through repetition and three usage and through logic and foundations. That really makes you a smart thinker to Layup Foundation for. You're learning for the rest of your life. I think you need two things if I was going to try and sum it up one practical persuasion and to you need to go deep in some technical category whether it's abstract math or you want to read Donald Kanoute's books on algorithms or you want to read fine men's lectures on physics if you have practical persuasion and a deep understanding of some complex topic topic. I think you'll have a great foundation for learning for the rest of your life. Yeah if I could expand a little bit I would say that the five most important skills are of course reading writing Arithmetic and then as you're adding in persuasion who just talking and then finally I would add computer programming. Just because it's it's an applied form of arithmetic just gets you so much leverage for free in any domain that you operated if you're good with computers if you're good at basic mathematics if you're good in writing if you're speaking and if you like reading your set for life so in that sense business to me is bottom of the barrel there's no actual skill call business this it's too generic of a thing. It's like a skill call relating relating to humans. That's not a skill is too broad so a lot of what goes on in business schools and there's some very intelligence stuff top business schools Track from completely but some of the stuff that's taught in business school essentially just anecdotes. They call case studies. But it's just anecdotes. And they're trying to help you pattern match by throwing lots of data points at you but the reality is you'll never understand them fully until you're actually in that position yourself even then you you will find that basic concepts from game fury in psychology in ethics mathematics. Computers Logic will serve much much better so I would focus in the foundations I would focus with the science. Bent develop a love for reading including by Reading so-called junk food. That you're not supposed to read you. Don't have to read the classics. That is the foundation nation for your self education. What did you mean when you said that doing is faster than watching when you come to your learning curve if you want to optimize your learning learning curve one of the reasons? Why don't love podcasts? Even though I'm a generator podcast is that Atlantic consumer information very quickly. And now I'm a good reader fast reader and I can read very a fast but I can only listen at a certain speed. I know people listen to two x three x but everyone sounds like a chipmunk and is hard to go back. It's hard to highlight as hard to pinpoint snippets in saved your notebook and so on similarly a lot of people think they can become really skilled at something by watching others do it or even by reading about others doing it and going back to business school case study that's a classic example. You know they study other people's business but in reality you'RE GONNA learn a lot more about running a business by operating your own lemonades to end or equivalent or even opening a little retail store down the street. That is hardly GONNA learn on the job because a lot of the subtleties don't express themselves until you're actually in the business for example everyone's now in a mental models these days. Right you go. To find him street you go to poor Charlie's ALMANAC and you can learn all the different mental models but which ones matter more. Which ones do you apply more often which ones matter which circumstances that's actually the hard part for example? My personal learning has been that the principal agent problem drives so much in this world. It's an incentives problem you know. I've learned that tit-for-tat prisoner's dilemma is the piece of Game Theory. That has worth knowing the most. You can literally almost put down the Game Theory Book after that early. The best way to learn game theories to play games. I never even read Game Theory Books. I consider myself extremely good at Game Theory. I've never opened up a game theory book and final results in there whereas like Oh yeah. That's common sense to me because the reason is I just grew up playing all kinds of games in I ran into all kinds of corner cases. This is all kinds of friends. And so it's second nature to me so you can always learn better by doing on the job but the doing is a subtle thing that we're doing doing encapsulates a lot. So for example. Let's say I want to learn how to run a business while if I start a business where I go in every day and doing the the same thing with Sam running the retail store down the street stocking the shelves with food and liquor every single day. I'M NOT GONNA learn that much because repeating things a lot. I'm putting in thousands of hours but there are thousands of hours doing the same thing whereas if I was putting in thousands of iterations that would be different. Learning curve is across iteration so if I was trying new marketing the experiments the store all the time constantly changing the inventory constantly changing the branding and the messaging consi changing the sign. I was constantly changing the online channels. That was used to drive foot traffic in as experimenting with being open at different hours if I even had the ability to walk around and talk to other store owners and getting their books figure out how they're running their business. It's the number of iterations that drives a learning curve so the more You can have the more shots on goal. You can have the faster you're GONNA learn. It's not just about the hours put in. It's actually a combination of the two. But I think just the way we're built in the way that the world presents itself the world offers us very easily the opportunity to do the same thing over and over and over again but really we'd be better served if we went off and found ways to do new things from scratch and doing something new. The first time is painful because you're wondering into uncertain territory and high odds are that you will fail so you just just have to get very very comfortable with frequent small failures in sem. Talib talks about this also. He made his fortune his wealth by being a traitor who relied upon black swans. Missing Tailor made money by essentially losing little bits of money every day and then once in a blue moon he would make a lot out of money when the unthinkable happened for other people where most people want to make little bits of money every day and in exchange they'll tolerate lots of blow risk risked tolerate going completely bankrupt. We're not devolved to bleed a little bit every day. If you're out in the natural environment and you get a cut in your literally bleeding a little bit every day you will eventually actually die. You have to stop. That cut evolved for small victories all the time but that becomes very expensive. That's where the crowd is. The hurt is so if you're willing to bleed a little bit every we day but in exchange you win big later you'll do better. That is by the way entrepreneurship entrepreneurs bleed every day. They're not making money losing money. They're constantly stressed. Rest out all the responsibilities upon them when they win they win big on average sale. Make more so. Why don't we jump into accountability? Which I thought was pretty interesting and I think you have your own unique? Take on it so the first tweet on accountability was embraced accountability. And take business risks under your own. Oh Name Society will reward you with responsibility equity and leverage. Yeah so to get rich. You're going to need. Leverage and leverage comes in labor it comes in capital or can come through code or media but most of these like labor and capital people have to give to you for Labor. Somebody has to follow you for capital. Somebody has to give you. Money or assets gets to manage or machines so to get these things to build up credibility in you have to do is under your own name as much as possible which is risky. So accountability is a double edged. This thing it allows you to take credit when things go well and to bear the brunt of the failure when things go badly so in that sense you know people who are stamping. Their names on on things aren't foolish. There just confident maybe turns out to be foolish in the end. But if you look at Konya or an oprah or a trump or Ilan or anyone like that these people can get rich just off their the name because their name is such powerful branding regardless of what you think of trump you have to realize that the guy was among the best in the world at just branding his name. Why would you go to trump casino? Used to because trump by would you go to trump tower because trump when it came time to vote at a lot of voters who just went and said trump they recognize is the name so the name recognition paid off. Same thing with Oprah. She puts her brand on something her name on something and it flies off the shelves and it's like instant validated but these people also take risks for putting their name out there. Obviously trump is now probably hated by half or more than half of the country and buy a big chunk of the world. These his name out there by putting your name out there you become a celebrity. Celebrity and fame has many many downsides. It's better to be anonymous. Enriched than to be pouring famous but even famous enrich has a lot of downsides associated with it. You're always in the public abaci. So accountability is quite important when you're working to build a product or working in a team where you're working in the business. We are constantly drummed into our heads how important it is to be part of a team and absolutely agree with that a lot of our training socially is telling us to not stick our necks out of the crowd. There's a saying that I hear from Australian friends. The tall poppy gets cut right. Don't stick your neck out but I would say that actually really really well functioning team it. It's small and has clear accountability for each different portions like so you can say okay. This person's responsible for building the product. This person is responsible for the messaging. This person responsible will for the raising money. This person responsible for the pricing strategy and then maybe online advertising. So if somebody screws up you know exactly. Who's WHO's responsible while at the same time? Something goes really well. You also know exactly who's responsible so if you have a small team and you have clearly delineated responsibilities than you can still keep a very high level of accountability. Accountability is really important because when something succeeds or fails if it fails everybody points fingers each other and if it succeeds everybody steps for credit and and we've all had that experience when we were in school and we got like a group assignment do and there were people in there. Probably a few people in there who did a lot of the work in their a few people who did a lot of grandstanding positioning to do the work. So we're all familiar with us from childhood sense. But it is uncomfortable to talk about but clear accountabilities important without ability not you don't have incentives without accountability. You can't build credibility but you take risk so you take risk of failure. You take risk of humiliation. You take risk of failure under your own name which which you know. Luckily in modern society there's no more debtor's prison and people don't go to jail or get executed for losing other people's money but which still socially hardwired to not fail in public public under our own names and the people who have the ability to fail in public under their own names actually gain a lot of power for example. I'll give about personal anecdote up until twenty thirteen twenty fourteen. My public persona was entirely around startups and investing in only around twenty. Fourteen Twenty fifteen. Did I start talking about philosophy in psychological things in broader things and it made me a little nervous because I was doing it under my own name and there were definitely people in the industry who sent me messages passages LUBEC channel like what are you doing. You're ending your career. This is stupid and it just went with that took a risk. Same with crypto early on I took a risk but when you put your name out there you take a risk with certain things you also get to reap the rewards you get the benefits. Accountability is important. Because that's how you're going to get leverage that's how we're going to get credibility it's also how you're going to to get equity. You're going to get a piece of the business when you're negotiating with other people ultimately if someone else making a decision about how to compensate you that decision. Based on how replaceable you are and if you have high accountability. That makes you less replaceable than they have to give you. Equity which is a piece of the upside but equity itself is a good example because equity is also a risk based instrument equity means. You get paid everything. After all the people who need guaranteed Erin teed. Money are paid back so if you look at the hierarchy of capital in a company the employees get paid. I they get the pay salary I like in the legal proceedings. Salaries are sacrosanct. If you are a board member in the company spends too much money in has back salaries to pay the government will go after you personally to pay back the salaries so the employees get the most security but in exchange for that security. They don't have as much upside than next in line would be the debt holders who are maybe. The bankers lent money to the company for operations and they need to make their fixed coupon every month every year but they don't get much more upside beyond on that night they might be making five ten fifteen twenty twenty five percent a year but that's where they're upset is limited to and then finally are the equity holders and these people are actually going to get most the upside so once the debt holders paid off in the salaries are paid off whatever remains goes to them but if there isn't enough money to pay off the salaries in the debt holders or if there's just just enough to pay off the salary in the debtholders which is what happens with most businesses most of the Times the equity holders get nothing so the equity holders take on greater risk but then the take on in exchange exchanged get nearly unlimited upside and you can do the same with all of your work so essentially taking accountability for your actions is the same as taking an equity position in all of your work. You're essentially taking greater downside. Risk twitter upside risk but realize that in modern society the downside risk is not that large as you know even personal bankruptcy can wipe the debts clean in good ecosystems. I'm most familiar with Silicon Valley but generally people will forgive failures as long as you are honest and made a high integrity effort. So there's not really that much to fear in terms of failure and so people should be taken on a lot more accountability than they actually are is accountability on ability actually fragile or do you really just mean that we're hardwired not to fail and public so it just feels like it's a fragile thing saying I think it could actually be fragile. Example of accountability is your an airplane pilot but as a captain you're taking on accountability for the entire plane. Let's say that something goes wrong with the aircraft. You can't litter blame it on anyone else. You can't blame it on the steward of the stewardess. You can't blame it on the co-pilot you're the captain you're responsible for the ship and if you screw up you crashed the ship and there are immediate consequences. In the old days you know kept it was expected to go down with the ship if the ship was sinking literally. The last person who got to get off was the captain thin so yeah I think accountability does come with real risks. But we're talking about in a business context of the risk here would be that you would probably be the last one to get your capital backout. You'd it'd be the last one to get paid for your time. So you know the time that you put in the capital that you put into the company these are what at risk even if a business fails in your names on it. That's not as bad as if it's turns out to an integrity issue like you're Bernie Madoff for example made off investments. That name is never going to be good again in the investment community. Eighty Bernie Madoff great-great-great-grandson. You're not going to go into the investment business. 'cause he ruined the family name so I think these days. The accountability risk with the name happens more around integrity rather does around purely economic failure the big takeaway for me on accountability is that you will will be rewarded directly in proportion with your accountability. I also think this is why people like Tala rail against CEO's who get rewards without thout accountability tell scan. The game is required reading. If you WANNA get anywhere in modern life and understand how modern systems work than scare the game it would be near top of my list to read but yes accountability skin in the game. These concepts go very closely hand in hand. I think accountability as reputational skin in the game. It's putting in your personal reputation on the line. `Skin the game accountability. The simple concept the only part of accountability. That may be a little counterintuitive is that we're currently socially the brainwashed to not take on accountability not in a visible way but I think there are ways to take on accountability. Where every member of a team you can take on accountability for their portion? And that is how you get a well-functioning team while still putting credits in losses in the correct columns. So why don't we talk a little bit about leverage. The first tweet in the storm was a famous quote from archimedes which was give me a lever long enough and a place to stand and I will move the earth the next tweet was fortunes require leverage business leverage comes from Capitol people and products with no marginal costs replication leverage is critical. The reason is stuck in archimedes quote in there is normally. I don't like putting other people's quotes in my twitter like that doesn't add any value. You can go look up. Those people's quotes but this had to put in there because it's just so fundamental I read it when I was very very young and had a huge impression on me and we all know what leverages averages when we use a seesaw or lever. We understand how that works physically. But I think what our brains aren't really well if off to comprehend is how much leverage average is possible in modern society and what the newest forms leverage our and so the oldest former leverage is labor. Which is people working for you so so instead of me? Lifting rocks can have ten people lift rocks than just by my guidance on where the rock should go a lot. More rocket moved than I could do myself. Everybody understands this. Because because we're evolved to understand the Labor former leverage and so what happens is society overvalue use Labor as a form of leverage. This is why your parents are impressed when you get a promotion and and you have lots of people working underneath you. This is why when a lot of naive people we tell them about your company. They'll say how many people work there. They'll use that as a way to establish credibility they're trying to measure how much leverage impact. You actually have or when someone starts a movement. They'll say how many people have our big the army as we just automatically assume that more people is better but I would argue that. This is the worst form of leverage that you possibly use. Managing other people is incredibly messy. It requires tremendous leadership skills. You're one short hop from a mutiny mutiny or getting eaten or torn apart by the mob. It's incredibly competed. Over entire civilizations have been destroyed over this fight for example Communism Marxism mm-hmm is all about the battle between capital and Labour dass capital Indus- labor. Right so it's trap so you really WanNa stay out of Labor based leverage you want the minimum the amount of people working with you that are going to allow you to use the other forms of leverage which I would argue are much more interesting. The second type of leverage is capital title. And this one's a little less hardwired into us because large amounts of money moving around and being saved and being invested money markets these are inventions of human beings. The last few hundred thousand years they're not involved with us from hundreds of thousands of years so we understand them a little bit less well. They're probably require more intelligence to use correctly and the ways in which we use them. Keep changing management skills for one hundred years ago might still apply today but investing in the Stock Market Skills hails from a hundred years ago. Probably don't apply to the same level today. So capital is a trickier former leverage to use this more modern. It's one that people have used to get fabulously wealthy. In the last centuries injuries probably been the dominant form of leverage the last century in you can see this by or the richest people. It's bankers politicians on corrupt countries print. Money especially people who moved large amounts of money around and if you look at the top of very large companies outside of technology companies in many many large old companies the CEO. The job is really a financial job. They really financial asset managers. Now sometimes ask Can put a pleasant face on. It's a Warren Buffet type. But deep down I I think we all dislike capitalism form of liberty because it feels unfair because this invisible thing that can be accumulated in passed across generations and suddenly only seems to result in people having Gargantuan amounts of money with nobody else around them were nestle sharing in it that said capital is a powerful form of leverage it can be converted converted to Labor it can be converted to other things it's very surgical very analytical if you are a brilliant investor give a billion dollars and you can make a thirty thirty percent return with Anybody else can only make a twenty percent return. You'RE GONNA get all the money is going to get paid very handsomely for it. It scales very very well. If you get good at managing aging capital you can manage more more capital much more easy to manage more and more people so it is a good form of leverage but the hard part with capitalist. How do you obtain it? And that's why I talked talked about specific knowledge and accountability. I if you have specific knowledge in a domain and if you're accountable and you have a good name in that domain that people are going to give you capital as a form of leverage that you can use to then go get more capital so but capital also is fairly well understood and I think a lot of the Knox against capitalism because of the accumulation of capital the most interesting in the most important of leverage. Is this idea of fraud. Acts that have no marginal cost of replication. This is a new form of leverage. This was only invented in the last few hundred years it's got started with the printing press it accelerated broadcast media. And now it's really blown up with the Internet code. So now you can multiply. Multiply your efforts without having to involve other humans and without needing money from other humans. This podcast is a form of leverage. Long ago I I would have had to sit in a lecture hall lecture each of you personally and I would have maybe reached a few hundred people in that would have been that thirty years ago I would have to be lucky to get on. TV which is somebody else's leverage leverage. They would have distorted the message that will take the economics out of it or charge me for it. They would have muddled the message and I would have been lucky to get leverage but today thanks to the Internet I can buy a cheap microphone. Hooked up to a laptop or an IPAD in there. You are listening so this newest for of leverage is where all the new fortunes were made so all the new billionaires the the last generation fortunes were made by capital. That was the Warren Buffett's of the world but the new generation fortunes all made through code or media Joe Rogan even making fifty to a hundred million bucks a year from his podcasts. PUDI PIE now. I don't know how much money he's rolling in. But he's bigger than the news right. The fortnight players of course Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg Larry Page Sergei Brennan. Bill Gates Steve Jobs that is all code based leverage. Now the beauty is when you combine all of these that's where tech startups where the excel. Would you take just the minimum. But highest output labor the can get which engineers and designers I product developers. And then you add in capital us for marketing advertising scaling and you add in lots of code and media in PODCASTS and content to get it all out there that is a magic combination. And that's why you see. Technology starts explode nowhere use massive leverage and just just make huge outside returns. Do you WanNa talk a little bit about permission versus permission list. Probably the most interesting thing to keep in mind about. The new forms of leverage is their permission less. They don't require somebody else's permission for you to use them or succeed for Labor leverage somebody has decided to follow you for capital Leverage Bridge. Somebody has to give you money to invest or to turn into a product but coating writing books recording podcasts. tweeting youtube ing these kinds of things things. These are permission less. You'll need anyone's permission to do them. And that's why the Gal -Tarian they're great equalizers of leverage and as much as people may rail on facebook youtube a youtube. They're not gonNA stop using it because this permission list leverage where everyone can be a broadcaster is just too good the same way you can rail upon apple for having a slightly closed ecosystem the system in the iphone but everyone's writing apps for it so as long as you can read apps for it you can get rich or reach users doing that. Why not I think of all the forms of leverage the best last one in modern society and people this Glib this is a little overused but this is why tell people learn to code right? It's that we have this idea that in the future there's going to be these robots and they're going to be doing everything and that may be true but I would say the majority of the robot revolution is already happened. The robots already here and there are way more robots humans. It's just that we packed them. In data centers for heat and efficiency reasons. We put them in servers inside the computers. All the circuits. The robot mind inside. That's doing all the work. And so oh. Every great. Software developer for example now has an army of robots working for him at nighttime watching he or she sleeps after the code and just cranking away so the robots army is already here. The robot revolution has already happened. Where about halfway through it? We're just adding in much more of the hardware component. These days as we get more familiar earlier we get more comfortable with the idea of autonomous vehicles in autonomous airplane. Autonomous Ships and maybe autonomous trucks in delivery botts in Boston dynamics robots and and all that but robots who are doing web searching for you for example already here you know the ones who are like cleaning up video and audio and transmitting around the world are already here are the ones who are answering many customer service queries things that you would have had to call human for already here. So an army of robots already here. It's very cheaply available and end. The bottleneck is just figuring out intelligent and interesting things to do to them. And essentially you can order this army of robots around Commands have to be issued in in a computer language in the language that they understand. These robots aren't very smart. They have to be told very precisely what to do in how to do it. So coating is such a great superpower because now you can speak the language of the robot armies and you can tell them what to do and I think at this point actually. People are not only commanding the army of robots within servers through code. They're actually manipulating the movement of trucks of other people just ordering a package Amazon. You're manipulating the movement of many people bull and many robots to get a package delivered to you. People are doing the same things to build businesses now. So there's an army of robots within servers and then there's also an army of battle robots and people that are being manipulated through software labor and capital are much less egalitarian not just in their inputs but in their outputs. Let's let's say they need something that humans have to provide like if I want a massage or if I need like someone to cook my food the more of a human element there is in providing that service the less egalitarian. It is Jeff Bezos. Probably has much better vacations in most of us right because he has lots of humans running around doing whatever he needs to do. But if you look at the output of code in media. Jeff Bezos doesn't get to watch better movies and TV than we do. Jeff Bezos doesn't get to even have a better computing experience that Google doesn't give him some premium special google account where his searches are better. It's the nature of code and media outputs. The same product is accessible to everybody and it turned into a positive sum game. Where Jeff bezos consuming the same product as a thousand other people that would be better than the version that Jeff would consume on his own whereas with other products? That's not true if you look at something like buying a rolex which is no longer about telling time it's signaling good. It's all about showing off. I have a rolex that that's a zero sum game if everybody in the world wearing a rolex than people don't WanNa wear rolexes anymore because they no longer signal it's canceled out the effect and so rich people do have an advantage judge consuming that product. They'll just price it up till only they can have rolexes in poor people cab rolexes in rolexes resume there signaling value but something like watching. Netflix are using Google using facebook or youtube or even frankly modern day cars like rich. People don't have better cars. They have weirder cars. You can't drive a Lamborghini on the street at any speed that makes sense for Lamborghinis with actually a worse Carter Street it just turned into a signaling. Good at that point your sweet spot where you WanNa be somewhere like a tesla model three or Toyota Corollas Amazing car. A new Toyota. Corolla is a really nice car. But because mainstream that technology has amortize the cost of production over the large number consumers possible and the best products tend to be at the center at the sweet spot the middle class rather than being targeted at the upper class. Setting one of the I think we don't necessarily appreciate modern. Societies as the forms of leverage have gone from being human based Labor based in being capital based to being more product in code in Media Base. That most of the goods and services that we consume are becoming much more egalitarian in their consumption. Even food is becoming that way like food is becoming cheap and abundant at at least in the first world too much so to our detriment. Jeff bezos isn't necessarily eating better food just eating different food or he's eating food that's prepared instead of theatrically so it's almost like more again. The human element performance but the Lieber element out of food production has gone down massively. The capital element has gone down massively in so even food production itself itself has become more technology oriented and so the gap between the haves and the have nots is getting smaller. So if you care about ethics in wealth creation it is better to to create your wealth using code in media as leverage because then those products are equally available to everybody as opposed to trying to create your wealth to Labor or capital title. Because what I'm referring to here is scale. Economies technology products and media products. Have such amazing scale economies that you always want to use the product that is used by the most people. The one that's used by the most people ends up having the largest budget. There's no marginal cost of adding user. And so we're the largest budget you get the highest quality so the best. TV shows are actually not going to be some obscure ones just made for a few rich people. They're going to be the big budget. The game of thrones with breaking bad or box where they have massive massive budgets. They can use those budgets to get to a certain quality level and the rich people to be different. They you have to fly to Sundance and watch a documentary. Because you and I aren't GonNa fly the Sundance because that's something that bored rich people do to show off and we're not going to watch a documentary because most of them just aren't actually even that good right again. If you're wealthy today for large classes of things you spend your money on signaling goods to show other people that you're wealthy and you try and convert them to status as opposed to actually consuming the goods for their own sake. People in Capitol is a form of leverage of a negative extra analogy and in code and product have positive extra analogy attached to them. If I was going to sum up your point I think that capital laborer are also starting to become a little more permission list or at least permission ing is diffuse because of the Internet so instead of Labor we have community. Now which is diffused form of labor for example Mark Zuckerberg has a billion people doing work for him by using facebook and instead of going to raise capital from someone. WHO's rich now? We have crowdfunding so you can raise millions and billions of dollars for a charity for a health problem or for business. You can do it all online. So capital and labor are also becoming permission list. And you don't need to necessarily do the old fashioned way. React to go around and ask people for permission to use their money or their time. One more question about leverage do you think a choice of business model or a choice of product can also bring a kind of leverage to it for example pursuing a business that has network effects pursuing a business that has brand effects or other choices of business model that the people could manipulate that. Just give you free leverage. Yeah there's some really good micro economic concepts that are important to understand. One of those is a scale economies. which is the more you produce? Something cheaper gets to make. But that's something. A lot of businesses have basic economics. One and you should try and get into a business. This where making widget number twelve is cheaper than making which at number five and making which at number ten thousand is a lot cheaper than the previous ones and this builds up an automatic sort of barrier to entry against competition and getting commoditised. So that's an important one another one. This is along the same lines but technology products especially and media products. Have this great quality where they have Kazuko marginal cost of reproduction. So creating another copy which you just created free so when somebody listen to this podcast or watches a youtube video about about this. It doesn't cost me anything but next person who shows up those zero marginal cost things take a while to get going because you make a little money per user but over time they can really really the add up so joe. Rogan is working no harder on his current podcast. He wasn't podcast number one but on podcast number eleven hundred. He's making a million dollars for the podcast whereas for the previous one he lost money but the first one that the example of zero marginal cost and then the most subtle. But the most important. Is this idea of network effects. It's and it comes from computer. Networking Bob Metcalfe. WHO created Ethernet famously? Coined Metcalfe's law which is the value of a network is proportional to the square where the number of nodes in the network so if a network of size ten would have evaluate a hundred network of assize hundred whatever value of ten thousand. It's not just ten x more more. It's one hundred x more because the squares differences square so you want to be in network effects business. Assuming you're not number two if you're number one network affect business you you win everything. So example if you look at facebook write your friends and family social networking protocol. WHO's their competitor? Nobody because they want everything through network effects tax which is why when people say well. I can just switch away from facebook. They don't realize it network effects create natural monopolies. They're very very powerful. Things and one of the duty secrets of Silicon Valley is that had a lot of the winning businesses are natural monopolies even ridesharing tends towards one winner-take-all system. Uber will always have better economics than lift as long as that's moving more drivers more writers around something like Google. There's only one Bible search engine. I do like duck duck. Go you know privacy reasons. But they're just always going to be behind because of network effects twitter right. Where else would you go for? Micro blogging even. Youtube has week network effects. But they're still powerful enough. There's really no number two site that you go to to consume assume. Your video on a regular basis even turns out in detail Amazon Prime and convenience store credit card information creates a powerful network effect. So what what is a network effect. Let's define it precisely a network effect is when each additional user adds value to the existing user base so your users themselves creating value for the existing users the classic example that I think everybody can understand is language. Let's say that there's one hundred people live in the community and speak ten different languages. Each person just be one of those ten while you're having to translate all the time it's incredibly painful but if all hundred of you spoke the same language language it would add tremendous value and so the way that community will play out is ten people start off speaking ten languages. Let's one extra person limbs English will now all of a sudden eleven people know English so the next person comes to learn new languages. Probably GonNA choose English at some point. Let's say English gets twenty or twenty five people it's done it's just going to own. The entire language. Language marketplace in the rest of the language will get competed out which is why long-term the entire world is probably GONNA end up speaking English. Chinese China's closed off on the Internet but the Internet itself is a great leveler and people want to communicate on the Internet are forced to speak English because the largest community of people on the Internet speaks English. I always feel bad for my colleagues leagues. Who grew up speaking foreign languages and foreign countries because you don't have access to so many books so many books just haven't been translated into other languages so if the only spoke French or you only spoke German or only spoke Hindi for example you would be at a severe disadvantage in technical education? Invariably if you go and get technical education occasion you have to learn English just because you have to read these books that have this data that has not been translated so languages are probably the oldest example network. Perfect money's another example apple. We should all probably be using the same money. Except for the fact that geographic regulatory boundaries have created these artificial islands of money but even then the world tends to use a single currency as the reserve currency most times currently the US dollar so network effects are very powerful concept. When you're picking a business model it's really good idea To pick a model where you can benefit from network effects low marginal cost and scale economies and these tend to go together like anything that has zero marginal cost of production August scale economies and things that have zero. Marginal cost of reproductions very often tend to have network effects. Because it doesn't cost you anything more to stamp out the thing so then you can just create little hooks for users to add value to each other they should always be thinking about how your users your customers can add value to each other because because that is the ultimate form of leverage. You're on the beach in the Bahamas or you're sleeping at night and your customers are adding value to each other. The tweet storm is very abstract abstract. It's deliberately meant to be broadly applicable to all kinds of different domains in disciplines in time periods and places but sometimes it's hard to work without concrete example so let's go concrete for a minute. Look at the real estate business. You could start at the bottom. That's your day labor. You come in you fix people's houses houses someone orders. Iran tells you break that piece of rock sand that piece of wood. Put that thing over there. There is all these. Menial jobs that go on construction site if you're working of those jobs unless you're a skilled trade like say carpenters electricians you don't really have specific knowledge and even carpenter locations not that specific because other people can be trained how to do it so you can be replaced so you get paid your fifteen twenty twenty-five fifty fuel really lucky seventy five dollars an hour but that's about it. He don't have any leverage other than from the tools. Oh you using so. If you're driving a bulldozer. That's better than doing it with your hands so day. Labor in India makes a lot less because they have no tool leverage. You don't have much accountability. Your faceless cog in the construction Shen crew and the owner of the House of the buyer. The house doesn't know or care that you worked on it. One step up from that. You might have a contractor the general contractor actor who someone hires to come and fix repair and build up their house. That general contractor is taking accountability. That taking responsibility so now if they got paid to win fifty thousand thousand dollars per job. Sorry I'm using barrier prices. Go rest of the world prices one hundred thousand dollars for the job to fix up a house and it actually costs the general contractor all said and done seventy seventy thousand dollars. Well the contract pocket that remaining thirty so they got the upside. They got the equity but they're also taking accountability risk so if the project runs over and there's losses than they eat the losses but you see just. The accountability gives them some form of additional potential income and then they also have labor leverage because they have a bunch of people working for them but it probably tops out right there you can go one level above that and you can look at a property developer. This might be someone who is a contractor. Who did a bunch of houses house is really good job than decided to go into business for themselves than they go around looking for beaten down properties that have potential they buy them they either raise money from investors? There's different did themselves. They fix the place up and then they sell it for twice what they bought a four. Maybe they only put in twenty percent more healthy profit so now developer like that takes more more count. Ability has more risk that more specific knowledge. Because now you have to know which neighborhoods are worth buying in which lots are actually good which lots are bad what what makes or breaks a specific property. You have to imagine the finished house. That's going to be there. Even when the property itself might look really bad right now so there's more specific knowledge. There's more accountability audibility risk and not yours have capital leverage. Because you're also putting money into the project but conceivably you could buy a piece of land or broken down House for two hundred thousand dollars and turn it into a million indoor mansion and pocket all the difference one level beyond that might be a famous architect or developer. We're just having your name on property because you've done. So many great properties take increases its value one level up from that you might be a person who decides what I understand real estate and I now know enough of the decks real estate that rather Than just build and flip my own properties or improve my own properties. I'm going to be a massive developer. I'M GONNA build entire communities. Another person might say a like that leverage but I don't want to manage all these people more through capital so I'm GONNA start a real estate investment trust and that requires specific knowledge. Not just about investing in real estate and building building real estate but also require specific knowledge about the financial markets in the capital markets. And how real estate trust operate one level beyond that might be somebody who says actually I would bring the maximum leverage to bear in this market and the maximum specific knowledge. And so that person would say while I understand real estate and I understand everything from basic housing construction to building properties in selling them to real. Estate Market's moving thrive and I also understand the technology business so I understand how to recruit who developers how to write code and how to build product and understand how to raise money from venture capitalists that return it and all of that works and obviously not a single person may not may team together. Oh to do it. Where each have different skill sets but that combined entity would have specific knowledge in technology and in real estate it would have massive accountability because that company's name would be the very high risk high reward effort attached to the whole thing and people would devote their lives to it take on significant risk and then it would have leverage in code with lots of developers have capital with investors putting money in and founders on capital and labor of some of the highest quality Labor that you can find which is high quality engineers and designers and marketers were not a company and then you may end up with a truly or red fin or a zillow kind of company and the upside could potentially be in the billions of dollars hundreds of millions of dollars so as you lehrer in more and more kinds of knowledge that can only be gained on the job in our common knowledge? And you Larry More Accountability and risk taking any Laron more and more great people working on more capital on it and more code in media on it you keep expanding the scope scope opportunity all the way from the day laborer will might just literally be scrambling on the ground with their hands. All the way up to somebody who started a real estate Tech Company and then took took it public. We spoke about specific knowledge. We talked about accountability. We talked about leverage the last skill that talks about in his tweet storms judgment where he says that leverage is a force multiplier for your judgement. We are now living in an age of near the infant leverage in all the great fortunes accredits who leverage so your first job is to go in obtained leverage and you can obtain leverage through permission by taking risks and getting people to work for you or by raising capital Oregon. Get Leveraged Permission Leslie by learning how to Code or becoming good communicator in podcasting broadcasting creating beating videos writing etc.. So That's how you get leverage but once you have leverage what do you do with it. Well the first part career spent hustling to get leverage once you have the leverage then you want to slow down a bit because your judgment really matters. It's like you've gone from steering your sailboat around to now you're stealing in ocean liner or tanker. You have a lot more at risk but you have a lot more to gain as well you carrying a much higher payload so in Asia Infinite Leverage judgment becomes the most important skill Orrin. Buffet is so wealthy now now because of his judgment. Even if you take away all of Warren's money tomorrow investor come out of the woodwork and hand him hundred billion dollars because they know his judgment is so good and they would give give him a big chunk of that hundred billion dollars to invest so ultimately everything else that you do is actually setting you up to apply your judgment one of the big things that people really on a CEO pay for sure. There's crony capitalism that goes on where these CEO's control their boards in the board game too much money but they're certainly IOS would definitely earn under keep because their judgment is better if you're steering a big ship if you're doing google or apple and your judgment is ten or twenty percent better than the next person's society will literally literally pay you hundreds of millions of dollars more because you're steering a hundred billion dollar ship if you are on course ten or twenty percent of the time more often the other person the compounding results on that hundreds of billions of dollars. You're managing will be so large that your CEO pay will be dwarfed in comparison so demonstrated judgment credibility around the judgment judgment is so critical. Warren Buffett wins here because he has massive credibility. He's been highly accountable. He's been right over and over in the public domain Maine. He's built a reputation for very high integrity. You can trust him so a person like that. People will throw infinite leverage behind him because of his judgment. Nobody asked him how hard he works. Nobody asked him when he wakes up when he goes to sleep. Did like Warren. Just do your thing so especially demonstrated judgment with high accountability ability clear. Track record is critical. Let's define judgment. I would define it as knowing the long term effects acts of your decisions or being able to predict the long-term effects your decisions. It's funny my definition of wisdom is knowing the long term consequences of your actions and so they're not all that different wisdom is just judgment on a personal domain wisdom applied to external problems. I think his judgment so they're they're highly linked but yes it's knowing the long term consequences of your actions and then making kind of the right decision to capitalize on that judgment is very hard to build up this is where both intellect inexperience come in. Play there many problems with the so-called intellectuals in the ivory tower but one of the reasons why does seem to liberals against them is because they have no skin in the game they have no real real world experience right so they just apply purely intellect an intellect without any experience is often worse than useless. Because you get the confidence that the intellect gives you and you get some of the credibility ability but because you had no skin in the game and you had no real experience in the real accountability you just throwing darts. The real world is far far more complex than we can intellectualize and especially all the interesting fast-moving edge domains and problems. You can't get there without experience so if you are smart and you iterative fast is. It's not even you put ten thousand dollars into something but you take ten thousand tries at something if you are smart and you have a lot of quick iterations and you try to keep your emotions sends out of it. The people with the best judgment are actually among the least emotional. A lot of the best. Investors are considered almost robotic in that regard. But I wouldn't be surprised if even the best entrepreneurs entrepreneurs often come across unemotional. There is this archetype of the passionate entrepreneur and yet they have to care about what they're doing but they also have to see very clearly Italy. What's actually happening? And the thing that prevents you from seeing what's actually happening or your emotions are emotions are constantly clouding our judgment and investing or running companies or building building products or being entrepreneur emotions. Really get in the way emotions our prevent you from seeing. What's actually happening until you can no longer resist the truth of what's happening until he becomes too sudden and then you're forced into suffering which is a breaking of this emotional fantasy that you would put together the triumph connect some of these concepts? I would say that I you're accountable for your judgment. Judgment is the exercise of wisdom wisdom it comes from experience and that experience can be accelerated through short iterations and the reason why a lot of the top investors investors love the value investors. If you read Jeremy Grantham read Warren Buffett. You beat up Michael Berry. These people sound philosophers or they are philosophers or they reading a lot of history. Books are science books. Like what are they doing. Should they be beating investment books. No investment books one of the worst place to learn about investment because investment is a real world activity city that is highly multi very all advantage. Always being competed away. It's always on the cutting edge. So what you actually just need is very very broad-based judgment and thinking and and the best way to do that is to study everything including a lot of philosophy and philosophy also makes you more stoic makes you less emotional and so you make better decisions. You have better better judgement. One simple thing is I see twitter and it seems like half of twitter is outrageous something at all times you can go with. Someone's twitter feed and get at least some semblance silence of what it must be like to be in their head all the time and the more outrage somebody as a guarantee you the worst judgment is if someone's constantly tweeting political outrage outrage and see looking angry person getting into fights you don't WanNa hand these person the keys to your car little on the keys to your company so we covered the skills that you I need to get rich. That was specific knowledge accountability leverage judgment and lifelong learning. Let's talk a little bit about the importance of working hard and valuing your time so no one is going to value more than you value yourself so you I just have to set a very high personal hourly rate and you have to stick to it so even since I was young I decided that I was worth a lot more than the market thought I was worth but I started treating myself that way so always factory your time into every decision. How much time does it take? It's GonNa take me an hour to get across town to get this thing thing. Well I value myself at one hundred dollars an hour. That's throwing one hundred dollars out of my pocket. Am I gonNA do that. You buy something from Amazon this good up you have to return it. Is it worth your time to return. Turn it is it worth the mental hassle. Keep in mind that you have less work hours. You've less mentally high output hours. Do you want to use them to run errands and solve the problems or do you want to save him for the big stuff. All the great scientists were terrible at managing their household life. None of them had a clean Organiz room or you know made all their social events on time time center. Thank you cards. You can spend your life however you want but if you want to get rich it has to be your number one overwhelming desire. Which means that it has to come before anything else which music can't be penny pinching? This'll people are stand. You can penny pincher away to a basic sustenance. You can keep your expenses. Low media retire early and not spend too much. That's perfectly valid. But we're here to talk about wealth creation and if you're GonNa do that then that has to be your number one overwhelming priority so fast forward to your wealthy self and pick some intermediate needed hourly rate for me. Believe it or not back when you could have hired me. which now obviously can't but back when you could have hired me and this was true a decade ago or even two decades ago before before I had any real money Hourly Rate I used to say to myself over and over is five thousand dollars an hour. Today lookback really was about a thousand dollars an hour and of course I still ended up doing stupid things like arguing with the declaration or returning the broken speaker. But I shouldn't have and I did a lot less than any of my friends would and I would make a theatrical show out of throwing something in the trash pile or giving to salvation army rather than trying to return it or handing something to people rather than trying to fix it. I would argue with my girlfriends even today to my wife like I don't do that. That's not not a problem that I solved. I still argued that with my mother when she hands me like little to dues. I just don't do that. I would rather hire you in assistant and this was true. Even when I didn't have money another way of thinking thinking about something is if you can outsource something or not do something for less than your hourly rate. Outsource it or don't do it so you can hire someone to do it for less than your hourly rate hire them that even includes things like cooking. Now you may Wanna eat your healthy home cooked meals but if you can outsource it do that instead and I know some people will say well. What about the joy of life and what about getting it right just your way? Sure sure he can do that. But you're not going to be wealthy because now you've made something else a priority. Paul Graham said it pretty well for why combinator startups he said. You should be working on your product and getting product market fitness exercising and eating healthy. That's about it that's all you have time for while you're on this mission so set a very high hourly aspirational rate for yourself and stick into it and it should seem in feel absurdly high. If it doesn't it's not high enough and whatever you picked on my advice would be raised like I said for myself even before money money for the longest time a US five thousand dollars an hour and if you extrapolate that out into what looks like his annual salary. It's multiple millions of dollars per year. Ironically I actually think I've beaten it look back because I'm I'm not the hardest working person. I'm actually kind of lazy person so I worked through bursts of energy whereby really motivated with something. So if I actually look at how much I've earned per actual our that I put in. It's probably quite a bit higher than that. Let's about hard work. There's a battle that happens on twitter a lot between. Should you work hard on. Should you not like David Hauser's on there saying your slave driving people. Keith is always on there saying like no all the great founders fingers to the bone and they're talking past each other first of all they're talking about two different things. David is talking about employees in the lifestyle business. Which is fine? Your number one thing in life. If you're doing that is not getting wealthy. You'll have a job. You also have your family. You also have your life but Keith is talking about the Olympics of startups. He's talking about the person for the gold medal in trying to build a multibillion dollar public company that person has to get everything right they have to have great judgement. They have to pick the right thing to work on. They have to recruit the right team and they have to work crazy heart because they're basically engaged in a competitive sprint. So if getting wealthy is your goal you you're going to have to work as hard as you can but hard work is absolutely no substitute for who you work within what you work on what you work on is probably the most important thing. Finding product market founder fit to expand on market research definition. He came with product market fit. But I would add product market founder fit. which is how well you? You are personally suited to that business. The combination that three that should be overwhelming goal. And you can save yourself a lot of time if you pick the right area to work in picking the right people people to work with is the next most important piece then. Third comes how hard you work. But they're like three legs of a stool. He's short chain any one of them. The whole story is GonNa fall down so it's not like you can pick one over the other that easily so the order operations when you're building a business is or even building your career. Is I figure out. What should I be doing what? What is something where there is a market that is emerging? There's a product that I can bill that I'm excited to work on and something where I have specific knowledge. I'm really into it and then second surround yourself with a best people possible in no matter how high your bar is raised your bar because you can never be working with other people who are great enough. If there's someone greater out there to work with you go work with them. I advise a lot of people who are looking at which started to join in Silicon Valley as we pick the one that's going to have the best alumni network Korean. The future look at the pay pal Mafia. They work with a bunch of geniuses so they all got rich so just try and pick based on the highest intelligence energy and integrity people you can find and then finally once once you pick the right thing to work on and the right people to work with then you work as hard as you can. This is where the mythology gets a little crazy. People Work Eight hundred twenty hour weeks a lot. Oh that's just status signaling showing off. Nobody really works. Eighty two hundred twenty hours a week sustained at high output with mental clarity. Your brain breaks down. He just won't have good ideas so really the way. People tend to work most effectively especially in knowledge. Word is they sprint. As hard as they can while they're working on on something in their inspired in they're passionate and they rest take long breaks. It's more like a lion hunting and much less like a marathon runner running so you sprint than you. Rest you reassess and then you try again in which you end up doing. Is You end up building. A marathon of sprints navy just made the point to the inspiration is perishable which is a very good point when you have your inspiration Right than their. This happens to me a lot with my tweet storms. I've actually come up. With a whole bunch of additional tweets decides the ones that are already out there but sometimes just hesitate tate or I just pause in just dies and what I've learned is if I'm inspired to write a blog post or to publish a tweet storm. I should probably do it right away. Otherwise it's not going to get out there I I won't come back to it. So inspiration is beautiful and powerful thing and when you have it just sees it so people talk about impatience Wendy notably impatient when the united be patient in my Glib tweet on this was impatience with actions and patients with the results. And I think that's actually a good philosophy for life. Anything you have to do. Just get it done. Why wait you're not getting any younger? You'll life slipping away. You don't WanNA spend it waiting in line. You don't WanNA spend it traveling back and forth you don't WanNa spend it doing things that you know ultimately elite aren't part of your mission and when you do them you want to do them as quickly as you can while he do them with your full attention but then you just have to give up on the results thoughts you have to be patient with the results because we do complex systems. You didn't lots of people. It takes longtime for markets to adopt products. Takes time for people to get comfortable working with each other. It takes time for great products to emerge polishing polishing Polish away so impatient with actions patients with results as navy said inspirations perishable so when when you have inspiration act on it right in there if I have a problem that I discovered one of my businesses that needs to be solved. I won't sleep until at least the resolution is in emotion and this is just a personal failing but if I'm on the board of a company called the CEO. If I'm running the company a call my reports if I'm responsible I'll get on there right than in there. Aaron solve it. If I don't solve the problem the moment it happens or out of start moving toward solving Happens I have no peace. I have no rest. I have no happiness until the the problem is solved so solve it as quickly as possible. I literally won't sleep until it solves. Maybe that's a personal characteristic but it's worked out well in business. We squander a time with the death breath of a thousand cuts so another tweet ahead was you should be too busy. Do Coffee while still keeping an uncluttered calendar people who know me know that I'm famous for simultaneously. Mislead doing two things. One is having a very clean calendar. I have almost no meetings on it and there are people that I meet with my calendar. Almost weep while at the same time. I am busy all all the time. I'm always doing something and it's usually quote unquote work related but it is whatever the highest impact thing is that needs to be done at that time and that I'm most interested inspired wired about but the only way to do that is to constantly ruthlessly decline meetings people want to do coffee bill relationships and that's fine early in your career and when you're still exploring but later new crew exploiting and there are more things coming at you in your time for you have to ruthlessly cut meetings out of your life if someone wants to do a meeting seeping the phone call instead if they wanted to phone call if they can do it with an email instead if they wanna do emails evening to a text message instead if text messaging. You should probably be most text messages unless they're true emergencies so one has to be utterly ruthless about dodging meetings. When you do do meetings do walking meetings ado standing meetings keep them short? Keep keep them actionable. Keep them small any meeting with eight people in Conference table. Nothing is getting done in that meeting. You're literally dying on our at a time. Doing in coffee reminds me of the old quote I think from Steve Jobs when they asked him. Hey why doesn't apple come to conventions or why don't you come to my convention. And his response was well then because we wouldn't be here working. I used to have a tough time turning people down for meetings but now just tell them outright just say look I don't do non transactional ends action meetings. I don't do meetings with strict agenda. I don't do meetings unless we absolutely have to navy used to do this would email people when they would ask for a meeting coffee meeting to know you he would say we don't do meetings on life death urgent and then that person asked me to find. Yeah life death origin. Or there's no meeting when you have something important or something valuable other busy interesting people will meet with you. Your calling card has to be. Hey here's what I'm done. Here's what I can show you. Let's meet and I'll be respectful of your time if this is useful to you and I find that there are very busy important people who will take your meeting but you have to come with the proper calling card all the people who tweet in email famous a rich people saying hey if I could just get one meeting with you. And they're vague about it. They're not going to get anywhere in life. You have to build up the credibility when for example in investor in the tech business in the venture. Business looks at a startup. The first thing they wanna see is they wanNA see some evidence of product progress there not just want to even see a slide deck they WANNA see product progress because the product progress is the resume for the entrepreneur. It is the unshakeable unfavorable resume somme so you have to do the work to use the CRYPTO analogy. You have to have proof of work if you have proof of work and truly have something interesting then you shouldn't hesitate to put it together in an email and send it to somebody but even then when you're asking for a meeting you WANNA be super actionable about it. But I would say even their side even if you yourself haven't made it yet if you think you're I'm GonNa make it by going out. Networking doing a whole bunch of meetings. You're probably incorrect. Yes networking can be important early in your career and yes you can get serendipitous purpose with meetings but the odds are pretty low and as we spent time talking about earlier when you are just meeting people and hoping to get that lucky break. You're relying on on tight one luck which is blind luck and type two luck which is hustle luck but which are not getting is type three or type four luck which the better kinds where you spend time developing reputation working on something developing a unique point of view and being able to spot approaches that others can a busy calendar in a busy mind will destroy Roy your ability to do great things in this world if you wanna be able to do great things whether you're a musician or whether you are a entrepreneur or whether you're an investor you need free free time and you need a free mind we just finished talking about the importance of working hard and valuing your time next. There's a few tweets on the topic topic of working for the long term. The first tweet is become the best in the world. That what you do keep redefining what you'd do until this. This is true. If you really WANNA get paid in this world you want to be number one at whatever it is that you're doing and it can be niche. That's the point it can literally be. You're getting paid for just being in you know at this point. Some of the more successful people in the world are that way oprah gets paid for being OPRAH JOE Rogan gets paid for being Joe Rogan. And they're being authentic to themselves selves so with this tweet is trying to say simultaneously. Is that you WANNA be number one. But you're gonNA keep changing what you do until you're number one. You can't just pick something arbitrary or you can say. I'm going to be the fastest runner in the world now. You've got to beat the same bolt. That's too hard of a problem but what you can do as you can keep changing what your objective is is until it arrives to your specific knowledge. Your skill sets your position your capabilities your location your interests and then converges to making you number one so when you're searching for what to do you actually have two different FORCI that you have to keep in mind at all points and one of those is I want to be the best at what I do and the second is what I do is flexible so that I am the best at it until you arrive at a comfortable place like yes. This is something I can be amazing eh while still being authentic to who I am and this is not going to be an overnight discovery. It's going to be a long journey but at least you know how to think about it. The most important thing for a company companies to find product market fit. I would say the most important thing for an entrepreneur is defined founder product market fit where you are naturally inclined to build the right product which it has a market. And that's the three focus problem. which is you gotTa make all three of those work at once? If you want to be successful in life you just have to get comfortable managing multi problems multiple multiple objective functions at once. And this is one of those cases where you have to map at least two or three at once. This reminds me of your tweet about escaping competition through authenticity authenticity. It sounds like part of this is a search for who you are. It's both search and a recognition because sometimes when we search our egos we wanna be something something that we aren't and our friends and family are better at telling US actually who we are or looking back at. What we've done is a better indicator of who we are? Peter thiel talks a lot about how competition petition is. Besides the point it's counterproductive were highly mimetic creatures. We copy what everybody else is doing around us copier desires from them everyone around musically artist. I want to be an artist. Everyone around me is a great business person. I want to be a business person. Everybody around me as a social activists social activists that's where my self esteem we'll come from. You have to be a little careful when you get caught up in these status games that you end up competing over things. That aren't worth competing over. So Peter thiel talks about how he was going going to be a law clerk because he will in law school and everybody around him wanted to be a law clerk for Supreme Court justice or some famous judge and he got rejected. That's what made him go into business. So it helped tim break out of a lesser game into a greater game. So sometimes you just get trapped in the wrong game because you're competing and the best way to escape gape competition to get away from the spectrum competition which is not distressful nervewracking but will often drive you to just the wrong answer. The Way to escape competition is to just be authentic Dick to yourself if you are fundamentally building in marketing something that is just an extension who you are. No one can compete with you on that. WHO's going to compete with Joe Rogan or Scott Atoms? It's impossible is somebody else gonNA come along and write a better dilbert no longer compete with bill watterson and create better Calvin Hobbes. No they're being authentic. This is easiest to see. An art artists are by definition all naturally authentic but even entrepreneurs are authentic. Who's going to be on? Musk's who's going to be Jack Dorsey. These people people are fantastic and the businesses and products. They create our offensive to their desires and their means. If somebody else came along and started launching rockets I don't think it would phase Yulon Alon one bit. He's still going to get to Mars because that's his mission. You know insane as it seems that the one he set for himself and he's GonNa accomplish it so authenticity naturally league gets you away from competition doesn't mean that you necessarily want to be authentic to the point where there's no product market fit. It may turn out. You're the best juggler on the UNICYCLE. But maybe there just isn't. Isn't that much of a market for that even with youtube videos. So you gotta adjust that somehow until you find product market fit but at least lean towards authenticity towards getting away from competition and competition automatically leads towards copycatting often towards just playing completely. The wrong game especially in entrepreneurship. The masses are never right. If if you see a lot of people tweeting about what a great market to enter is or you see journalist. Talking about a company is terrible. They don't know anything. If the masses asses knew how to build great things and create great wealth. We'd already be done. We'd already be rich by now so in a sense when you see a lot of competition sometimes that indicates to you that the masses already here. So it's already competed over too much and there's nothing here or it's in the wrong trained to be with on the other hand if it's completely empty. The whole market is empty. And no one's there that can also be a warning indicator that you've gone to authentic and not enough on the product market fit part of founder product market fit. So there's a balance you have to find it but generally most people will make the mistake of paying too much attention to the competition and being too much like the competition and not being authentic enough and the great founders tend to be authentic icon. ACCOSTS I hate to bring up the Scott Adam skill stack check one more time but also bring it up. Do you think one way of getting authenticity is not necessarily adding some random skills that you think might might be important but just really finding five or six various skills that you already authentically do and just stacking them on top of each other and not even any purposeful way. Hey It if you are expressing who you are you're going to be expressing all these little five or six different skills anyway. That's really where life is going to lead you anyway. Longterm if you are good and successful at what you do you will find that whatever your hobbies were. You're almost doing them for a living as Robert. Frost said. Combine your vocation and avocation which you love to do in which you do. So I think you'll find yourself there anyway and you're right about the skill stack and that everyone's got multiple skills. We aren't all one dimensional creatures. Even though that's how we have to portray ourselves and our online profiles to get employed. You meet somebody in this a banker bartender Oruma Barbara. What what have you all the bees but people are multi variant? They have a lot of skills. One banker might be good finance under the one might be good sales third one might be just good at macroeconomic trends friends and have a feel for the markets. Another one might be really good at picking individual stocks. You know another one might just be good at maintaining relationships rather than selling new relationships. So everyone's going to have have their various niches and you can have multiple. Mitch is not going to be just one so over time you will find as you go through your career. Both you will gravitate toward the things things that you're good at which by definition almost things you enjoy doing otherwise you wouldn't be good at them you wouldn't have put in the time and other people will push you towards the things that you're good at because you're smart bosses in on your Smart Co workers and your smart investors will realize okay. You're really world class in this thing. You recruit somebody else for that other thing. So ideally you want to end up specializing in being you. I think when you're being authentic you don't really mind competition that much yet pisses you off and it inspires some fear for in jealousy and all the other emotions that come along with it but also you don't really mind because you're more oriented towards the goal and the mission and worst case so you get some ideas from them and there's often ways to work with the competition in a positive way and it ends up increasing the size of the market for you. Yes sometimes it depends on the nature of the business. Silicon Valley tech industry businesses tend to be winner-take-all at least the good ones and so when you see competition it can make you fly into into her rage because it really does endanger everything you built whereas if I was opening a restaurant and a more interesting version same restaurant opens up in a different town. That's fantastic stick. I'm just GONNA lift from them. What's working and dropped what I can see that they have already figured out is not working so it does depend to some extent on the nature of the business that said even even the businesses that seem like that they are often direct competition? Really aren't they can end up a jason or slightly different. You're one step away from a completely different businesses. Sometimes sometimes you need to take that one step and you're not going to be able to take it if you're busy fighting over a booby prize. Kind of you're playing stupid gaming inuit stupid prize. It's not obvious right now. Because you're blinded ended by competition but three years from now it'll be obvious to give a simple example when I was first. Starting companies one of my first ones was called E. pinions which was an online product review site for all the products out there was independent of Amazon and that space eventually turned into tripadvisor and yelp which is where we should have gone. We should have done more local reviews because there's more value to having a review of a scarce item like in your local restaurant. There is of an item like a camera which was going to have a thousand reviews on Amazon but before before we get there we got caught up in the whole comparison shopping game and so we ended up merging with deal time and we competed with a my Simon and Biz raid which became. I'm shot Zillah and price. grabber next tag and a little bit of these price comparison engines and we're all caught in fierce competition with each other and that whole space went to zero because it turns out Amazon when Ito completely so there was no need for price comparison. Everyone just went to Amazon but we got the booby prize because we were in competition with a bunch of our peers. When really we should? I've been looking at what the consumer really wanted and being authentic to ourselves which reviews in that price comparison and gone more and more into more esoteric items that needed to be reviewed were customers had less and less data and wanted reviews more badly. So if we'd stayed authentic to ourselves would have done better. We're still talking about working for the long term. The next tweet on the topic is apply specific knowledge with leverage. And eventually you'll get what you deserve. I would also add to to that applied judgment apply accountability and applied the skill of reading. This one is just a Glib way of saying that it takes time even once you have all all of these pieces in place. There is an indeterminate. Amount of time. That you're going to have to put in and if you're counting your patients before it actually arrives so you just have to make sure that you give these things proper time life is long Charlie. Munger had some line on this. Somebody asked him about making money and he reinterpreted that and he said what the questioner customers actually asking is. How do I get rich like you but faster before end up as a really old guy and everybody wanted immediately but the world is inefficient place? Immediate the media doesn't work. You do have to put in the time you do have to put in the hours and so I think you have to put yourself in the position with the specific knowledge with the accountability with the leverage with the the authentic skill. Set that you have to be the best in the world at what you do and then you have to enjoy it and just keep doing it and keep doing it and keep doing it and don't keep track and don't keep count because if you do you will remember a time. I can look back at my career and people two decades ago that I had identified as brilliant and hardworking. But hadn't I thought much more about it. They're all successful now. Almost without exception on a long time skill you do get paid but it can easily be ten or twenty years. Sometimes it's five five and if it's five or three a friend of yours got there it can drive you insane but those are exceptions and for every winter. There's multiple failures one thing. That's important in entrepreneurship. Is You just have to be right. Once you get many many shots on goal you can take a shot on goal every three to five years. Maybe a return at the slowest or once every year the fastest fastest depending on how your iterating with startups. But you really only have to be right. Once my little equation is that your eventual outcome will be equal to something unlike the distinctiveness of your specific knowledge times. How much leverage you can apply to that knowledge times? How often your Judgment Correct Times hell singularly accountable you are for the outcome time so much society values what you're doing and then you compound all all of that with how long you can keep doing it and how long you can keep improving get through reading and learning? That's actually a really good way to summarize it. It's probably worth even a sketch that equation out that said people try to then apply mathematics. Do what is really philosophy. So I've seen this happened in the past where I say one thing and then I say another the thing that seemed contradictory if you treat as a math equation but it's obviously a different context and then people will say well you say that desire is suffering the Buddhist saying and then you say that L. greatness comes from suffering so does that mean greatness comes from desire and cycle. This is in math. People again just started carrying variables around informing absolute logical outputs. You have to know win to apply things. So that is very useful to understand but at the same time one can't get to analytical about it it's what a physical call false precision when you take two made up estimates and you multiply them together. You get four degrees of precision those decimal points. Don't actually count. You don't have that data. You don't have that knowledge in a model the more estimated variables you have the greater the error in the model so just adding more and more complexity to your decision making process Actually gets you a worse answer. You're better off just picking the single biggest thing or two for example. What am I really good at according to Observation Shen and according to people that I trust that the market values like that alone? Those two variables alone are probably good enough. Because if you're good at it you'll keep it up and if you're good at it you'll develop the judgment and if you're good at it and you like to do it eventually. People will give you the resources in. You won't be afraid to take on accountability. All the other pieces will fall in place. Product market fit is is inevitable. If you're doing something you love to do. And the market wants it regarding the guy that gets rich. In five years one of the tweets that you had on the cutting room floor was avoid people who got rich quickly. They're just giving you their winning lottery. Ticket numbers this is generally generally true of advice. Anyway which is it's back. The Scott Adams systems not goals. If you ask a specific person what worked for them very often. It's just like the reading out the exact set of things that work for them which may not be applicable for you. They're just reading your. They're winning lottery ticket numbers. It's a little glitch. There is something to be learned from them. But you can't just take thir exact circumstance and map it onto yours. The best founders. I know they listen in read to everyone. But then they ignore everybody and and they make up their own mind. They have their own internal model of how to apply things their situation and they do not hesitate to discard information. If you survey enough of people all the advice will cancel zero so you do have to have your point of view and when something is setting your way you have two very quickly decide is that true. Is that true outside of the context of what that person applied in. Is it true in my context and then do I want to apply it. You have to reject most advice but you have to listen into an read enough of it to know what to reject what to accept even in this podcast. You should examine everything if something does not feel true to you. Put it down set aside if too to many things seem untrue. Delete this podcast. I think the most dangerous part of taking advice. Is that the person that gave it to. You is not going to be around to tell you when it doesn't apply any longer yet. I view the purpose of advice as a little different than most people. I just view it as helping me have anecdotes anecdotes and maxims. That I can then later recall when I have my own direct experience and say That's what that person meant. Ninety percent of my tweets are actually just maxims. That I care for myself that are then little mental hooks to remind me when I'm in that situation again like oh I'm the one who tweeted if you can't see yourself working with someone for life than don't work with for a day so as soon as I know that this person is not going to be someone that I'm going to be working with ten years from now then I have to start extricating myself in that relationship ship or just not investing that much more effort into it. So I use my tweets and other people's tweets as maxims that help compress my own learnings wchs and be able to recall them. These are the brain. Space is finite you'll find at neurons so you can almost think of these as pointers addresses mnemonic to help you remember deep deep-seated principles where you have the underlying experienced back it up if you don't have the underlying experience than it just collection of quotes. It's cool it's inspirational for a moment. Maybe make a nice poster out of forget it and move on so all of these are really just compact ways for you to recall your own knowledge. The less this tweet on the topic of working for the long term is that when you're finally wealthy you'll realize that it wasn't what you were seeking in the first place but that's for another day that's a multi our topic in of itself. I always thought it was really clever. Way To end the whole thing because it disarms a whole set of people who say well. What's the point of getting rich because there are a lot of people who just like the status signal virtue signal against the idea of wealth creation or making money so it was a good way to disarm all of them? But it's also true in that the things that you really want in life yes money will solve all your money problems but it doesn't get everywhere the first thing you realize when you made a bunch of money is that you're still the same person if you're happy you're happy if you're unhappy or unhappy if you're calm and fulfilled and peaceful. You're still that same person. I know lots of a very rich people who are extremely outta shapes and lots of rich people who have really bad family lives. I know lots of rich people who are internally a mess so I would lean on the tweet that I put out which is actually when I think back on it. I think it's my favorite tweet of mine. It's not necessarily the most insightful. It's not necessarily the most helpful awful. It's not even the one I think about the most but I just when I look at it. There's just such a certain truth in there that it just resonates and that is that a combine of fit body and a house full of love love. These things cannot be bought they must be earned even if you have all the money in the world. You can't have those three things. Jeff bezos still has to work out. He still has to work in his marriage or whatever's next relationship is and his internal mental state is still going to be very much. Not controlled by external events is going to be based on how calm and peaceful ease inside so I think those those three things your health. Your mental health and your close relationships are things that you have to cultivate and can probably bring you a lot more peace and happiness than any amount of money ever will so. That's what I meant now how to get. There is actually a tweet storm that I still need to put out. I've been working on it. I have probably one hundred tweets on it. It's just very hard to say anything on the topic without getting attacked from fifty different directions especially these days on twitter. So I've been hesitant to do it because I want to target for a very specific kind of person. There's a bunch of people who don't believe that working on your internal status useful there to focus on the external and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. They should do that. And that's who the how to get rich tweet storms four. There's a bunch of people who believe that the only thing worth working on his complete liberation like you become the Buddha and they'll attack anything in the middle as being useless. That's fine too but most people aren't there so what I want to do is to create a tweet storm that just very practical advice for everyday people people who want to have it. Calmer internal state just a set of understandings realizations half truths truths that if you were to imbibe them properly and again and these are just pointers to ideas that you already have and experiences that you already have that. If you keep these top of mind slowly but steadily it will help you certain realizations that will lead you to a calmer internal state that I wanNA work on. Fitness is another big one UNDIS- not the expert there. There are plenty of good people in twitter. Who are better other fitness than me and I think loving household and relationships actually automatically falls out of the other things if you have a calm mind and if you've already made money you should have good relationship? There's no reason why you shouldn't a lot of divorces actually happen over money. Unfortunately that's just the reality of it so having money removes that part out of it. A lot of external battles happened because your internal state is not good when you're naturally internally peaceful. You're going to pick less fights she's going to be more loving without expecting acting anything in return and that will take care of things on the external relationship front so money solves your money problems. Money buys you freedom in the material real world. I think those a tweet from your cutting room floor and money. Let's you not do the things that you don't WanNa do yet to me. The ultimate purpose some money is so that you do not have to be specific place at a specific time doing anything you don't WanNa do. We skipped one tweet because I wanted to cover all of the tweets on on the topic of the long term and the tweet that we skipped was there are no get rich quick schemes. That's just someone else getting rich off you. This goes back to the world being efficient place. If there's an easy way to get rich already been exploited and there are a lot of people who will sell you ideas and schemes on how to make AAC money. But they're just always selling you some seventy nine ninety five course or some audio book or some seminar which is fine. Everyone needs to eat. People need to make living thing. They might actually have really good tips. But if they're giving you actionable high quality advice that acknowledges that it's a difficult journey we'll take a lot of time fine then. I think that's realistic. But if they're selling you some get rich quick scheme whether it's Crypto or whether it's an online business or seminar they're just making money off that's their get rich quick. Excuse it's not going to necessarily work for you. One of the things about this whole tweet storm and podcast is that we don't have ads on here. We don't charge for anything. We don't sell anything not not because I don't WanNa make more money. It's always nice to make more money. We're doing work here but because it would completely destroy the credibility of the enterprise. If I'm saying hey I know how to get rich and I'M GONNA sell that to you. It ruins it when I was young and I was kind of studying up on the topic. One of my favorite books on the topic was actually called how to get rich by Felix Dennis the founder of Maxim magazine billionaire who passed away and he had a lot of crazy stuff in there but he had some really good insights to but whenever I read something by him or by go daddy founder. Rob Parsons or say Andrew Carnegie you read stuff by people who are already very wealthy and they're clearly made their wealth in other fields not by selling the how to get rich Lewin they have a credibility you just trust them and they're not trying to make money off of you. They are obviously trying to win some status in some ego right. You always have to have a motivation for doing something. But at least that is a clear reason why they're probably not lying there probably not fooling you. They're not snowing. You at some level. Every founder has asked ally to every employee of the company. They have where they have to convince them that. It's better for you to work for me than is do what I did and go work for yourself so I've always had a hard time with that. Which is why the only honest with in my companies? I recruited entrepreneurs and tell them you're going to get to be entrepreneurial in this company and the day you're ready to go start your own. The next thing I'm going to support you never going to get in the way of you starting a company but this can be a good place for you to learn how to build a good team and build a good culture how to find product market fit fit to perfect your skills and meet some amazing people while you figure out. Exactly what is the only do because positioning timing deliberation very important when starting in a company but what I've never been able to do is look them in the face and say you must be at your desk by eight. Am because I'm not going to be at my desk by. Am I want my freedom or say to them that that you're great at being a director today you'll be a VP tomorrow. You know putting them into the career path track. Because I don't believe in it myself if anyone is giving advice on how to get rich and they're also making money off of it. They should have made their money elsewhere. Like you don't learn how to be fit from a fat person. You'll learn how to be happy from a depressed person so you don't Wanna learn how gotta be rich from poor person but you also don't WanNA learn how to be rich from somebody who makes her money by telling people how to be rich. It's suspect anytime you see somebody who's actually gotten rich following some bruise advice on getting rich. Just remember that in any random process if you run it long enough and if enough people participate in it you will always get every single possible outcome. With probability one. There's a lot of random error in there and then also this is why you have to absolutely and completely ignore business journalists and economists academics. When they talk about private companies I wouldn't even name names but like when a famous economist reels on bitcoin join or when a business journalist attacks the latest company that's Ip owing it's complete nonsense those people have never built anything they're professional critics that don't know anything about making money? The only knows how to criticize and get page views. And you're literally becoming number by reading them. You're burning neurons elite with a quote from the same tab that I liked where he he said. If you want to be a philosopher king I become a king and then become a philosopher not I become a philosopher then become a king. I'm glad you brought up. Tell because of is gonNA WANNA finish this by saying just remember the title of his first book which is fooled by randomness. One of the reasons why we're a little vague in this podcast is because we're trying trying to lay down principles that are timeless as opposed to just giving you the winning lottery ticket numbers from yesterday. You summarize this entire tweet storm with two words Product ties yourself. productized and yourself. Yourself has uniqueness productized has leverage yourself has accountability ability product ties has specific knowledge yourself also has specific knowledge in there so all of these pieces. You can combine them into these two words whenever you're doing anything in business if you're looking towards a long-term of getting wealthy you should ask yourself. Is this authentic to me. Is it myself that I am projecting. And and then am I practicing at my scaling. It and my skilling with Labor or with capital or with code or with media so it's very handy simple in the monarch mean. What what is this podcast? The podcast called vol literally product. Sizing myself with a podcast. You want to figure out what you're a uniquely good at or what. You uniquely are and apply as much leverage as possible so making money isn't even something you do. It's not a skill. It's who you are stamped. The million times making money should be a function of your identity. And what you liked to do another tweet that I really liked was this was not mind. Somebody else put this up. They said at five three hobbies one. That makes you money when the keeps you fit and one that makes you creative. I would change that slightly so I would say when that makes you money one that makes you fit and one that makes you smarter so in my case my hobbies would be reading making money as I love working with startups either investing in them brainstorming. Them starting them. I just love that idea. Asian an initial creation phase around startups. And then on the hobby that keeps you fit. I don't really have one closest thing. I have is yoga. But that's where it fell apart and I think people who early in life discover something like surfing or swimming or tennis or some sport that they continue doing throughout most of their life are very lucky because they found a hobby. That'll make them fit. We've finished discussing the tweets storm and we're going to spend some time on Q.. And A. A and discussing some of the tweets on the cutting room floor. That didn't make it into the tweet storm. My first question is do you think there are some common failure. Modes are typical things. That people do wrong when they're trying to apply this advice. It's a lot of people. Don't understand what specific knowledge really is how to quote unquote obtain it. People don't understand what accountability really entails. They think accountability means being successful accountable. No it means that you have to stick your neck out and fail with your name out there publicly and be willing to let people hate on you one one of the reasons. I'm less active on twitter lately. Because every tweet summons an army of nitpickers in haters and it gets exhausting but on the other hand you have to learn how to ignore them. Otherwise you can't survive on twitter. A lot of people try to reconcile it with like. Should I quit my nine to five job or not. That can be a very hard decision. I don't think you need to go that extreme. You can start applying accountability and leverage specific knowledge even within your existing career. It doesn't have to Nestle be fork off and do something else completely. A lot of people will use it as a way to agree and disagree with their existing biopsies. They'll say oh yeah. I agree with that part or that part. You're completely wrong. The most interesting part should be the ones that you disagree disagree with because clearly proven that few things so if you disagree with that than maybe that is an area where you can improve your thinking. I've definitely improved my thinking making all the time but I will tell you that in this tweet storm. I put down the minimum viable principles. I did not put down the whole universe of what I know about how to make money because ninety ninety percent of it is suspect. I put down the bedrock the stuff that I'm pretty solid Lee shore about and I have not yet seen a tweet that has successfully contradicted anything anything in this tweet storm. That would cause me to say. Oh Yeah I got that one wrong. Think another place where people get a little bit off. Is they look at this in this as well. This only applies to tech entrepreneurs. I I disagree. The example that I gave about real estate was a good one. In that regard it's just the nature of leverage that technology drives leverage leverage. So I'm GonNa Push Attack Direction to get the free libraries that is available in tech and obviously this message is being delivered through the Internet. So it's going to have a pro. Oh Internet bias. There are also people who believe that is unfair to the people who don't have these opportunities do anything with the opportunity that they do have with that defeatist attitude wave and get out of bed in the morning. Ninety percent of people are dead. There's a lot of people who are living on a dollar a day. You'll live on a dollar a day. No it's up to you to play the hand that you're dealt to the best of your ability and then you can take the winnings the pot from that hand and do whatever you want to fix the world but saying that you should not do things just because others can't do the things is living in. Denial is an excuse to not do anything. There are also people who believe that wealth creation is fundamentally at odds with environmentally Lee safe and healthy planet. And they've you. The whole thing is a giant zero-some game that's a false narrative as well Ulan. Musk is not playing a zero sum game with the environment. Arment and there are plenty of entrepreneurs were not if anything there is. A word that environmentalists love which is sustainability and for profit businesses are at least financially sustainable. Well if nothing else you can do a B. Corp which has a dual mission. A lot of nonprofit efforts would actually be better served by four profit companies because then they would have to go begging for grants. It's all the time they would be financially. Sustainable some great founders realized their philanthropic visions by running a business. Who is this advice targeted targeted to is it for my lift driver? Is it for an Internet entrepreneur. Is it for somebody who wants to start a youtube channel. Because it comes comes from someone who's steeped in Silicon Valley and tech companies. It's always going to have a bias towards that. But I think it's good for anybody who wants to be entrepreneurial anybody the WHO wants to control their own life anybody who wants to deterministic Lee and reliably improve their ability to create wealth over. Time is patient looking at it for the long haul. It certainly if you're eighty years old retired running out of energy you should probably just stay retired but their eight-year-old who have a lot of energy and want to do things and live live for the future. It can obviously apply very easily to a young person. I would say nine ten years old and up the most difficult one is probably middle aged. Because we're in our thirties forties fifties. We already have a lot invested. We have a lot of obligations because those years were running and people relying upon us. We don't want to change because we we don't want to admit defeat in what we've been doing to date but that's where it can actually be the most fruitful. It may be the most difficult pivot you've nine to five job eva family relying upon you and so it may seem like the things in this podcast are far too idealistic. But maybe it can inform your weekend projects maybe it can inform yourself self reeducation that you do at night on the Internet. Maybe it can inform what roles you take on the company that you're at because they move you closer and closer to points of leverage points of judgement or points where you're naturally good at your. It might cause you to take on more accountability even applied piece meals. These principles can directionally guide you regardless regardless of what stage you are at in life short of retirement and if you're in retirement just test them to see if they're true and then teach them to your kids or grandkids. There's many different ways to participate. It should did really apply to almost everybody who has complete body sound mind and is looking to work. I think one way to apply the advice is to look at who is getting the leverage off of the work that you're doing look up the value chain look at WHO's above you and who is above them and see how they are taking taking advantage of the time and the work that you're doing and how they're applying leverage to do that naturally in that they want to move up the corporate ladder but that's mostly about managing other people and what you really want to be doing is managing more capital products media and community. People think about moving ving up the ladder in their organization but they don't think that often about moving to a different organization or creating their own organization to get more leverage. In General Ceteris paribus fancy Latin words other things equal. You will do better in a smaller organization than a larger one. You will have more accountability. It'll be more more visible. You are more likely to be able to try on multiple things to find out the thing that you're uniquely good at people are more likely to give you leverage through battlefield promotions. Sion's you're gonNA have more flexibility. It'd be more authenticity to how the company operates a good progression for career. Start out large company and then progressively moved smaller and smaller ones. It's it's very hard to go from small company working larger company. Larger companies tend to be more about politics and less about merit. They're more stable. But they're less innovative debated situations. The goal long-term is if we are all wealthy is that we're all working for ourselves. And the people who are working for US essentially robots and today that's software robots in data centers executing code. Tomorrow could be delivery bots flying boats mechanical bots. That are carrying things around. This goes back to this idea of the best relationships pure relationships. If there's someone above you that's going to learn from if you're not learning from them improving than there shouldn't be anybody above you if there's somebody below you it's because you're teaching them and enabling them if you're not teaching them and enabling them then get a robot underneath. You don't need a human being below you. This is Utopian Utopian and it's a long ways off but in the not too distant future. Anybody who wants to work for themselves will be able to work for themselves. You may have to Other sacrifices you may take on more risk take on more accountability. You may have steady income but more and more. I think the younger generation is realizing saying that. If they're gonNA work they're going to work for themselves. In one of your tweets you listed out some of the things you should study like programming sales reading in writing arithmetic. One of the items that ended up on the cutting room floor was that you should also study ethics. I was originally going to put that out there. Concession to people who believe that making money is evil and that the only way to make it it's evil but then I realized ethics is not necessarily something you study. It's something you think about as something you do. Every one of us has a personal moral code and where you got that moral code from his different for everybody. It's not letting point you to a textbook shark. Appoint some Roman and Greek tax. But that's not going to suddenly make you ethical. There's the golden rule right do unto others as you would have them into you or there's nothing talev silver rule which riches don't do unto others what you don't want them doing unto you once you've been in business long enough you will realize how much of business is about trust and about trust because you want to compound interest you wanna be able to work for long periods of time with trustworthy people without having to reevaluate every discussion that rethink each time and without having to constantly look over your shoulder and so overtime you gravitate towards working with certain kinds of people and similarly those people will gravitate towards working with other ethical quote unquote people so being ethical turns out to be a selfish imperative. You want to be ethical because it attracts the other long-term longterm players in the network and then they want to do business with you and if you build a good enough reputation for being ethical eventually people will pay you just to do deals through you because because you're the one who will validate and ensure the deals by your presence because you wouldn't be involved with low quality stuff so being ethical actually pays off in the long run but it's the very long long run in the short run. Being unethical pays off. Which is why so many people go for? It's a greedy algorithm. But you can be ethical simply because your long-term greedy and I can even out Atlanta framework for different parts of so-called ethics just based on the idea of long-term selfishness for example. You want to be honest because it leaves leaves you with a clear mind. You don't have to thread running in your head when his allies that you told you to keep track of and the other one is what you're saying you just have to think about one thing at a time. You have more energy to think about that. Thanks for your clear thinker also by being honest. You're rejecting the people who only want to hear the pretty lies so you force those people audio network and sometimes painful friends and family but long-term you create room for the people who like you exactly the way that you are so that is a selfish reason to be honest for example negotiations if. You're the kind of person who always tries to get the best deal for yourself. You will win a lot of very early deals and it'll feel very good but on the other hand there are a few people who recognize that you're always scrabbling not acting fairly and they will tend to avoid you over time. Those people end up being being the deal makers in the network because people go to them for a fair shake or to figure out what's fair and so if you are cutting people fair deals you don't get paid in the short term the long-term everybody. Everybody wants to deal with you. And you end up being a market hub. You have more information you have trust. You have reputation and people ended up doing deals through you. A lot of wisdom is just realized long-term long term consequences of your actions and so the longer term. You're willing to look the wiser that you're going to seem to everybody around you. Do you WanNa tell us about some of the Jobs that you had as a youth and the specific job that kicked off your fanatical obsession with creating wealth. This gets a little personal and I don't WanNa do. The Humble Brag thing. There was some threat going round twitter about like named five jobs. You've held in. Every rich person on there was trying to signal how they held like normal the job so I don't WanNa play that game. I've held a bunch of menial jobs. There are people who have had worse than me people who better than me. There was one point rose washing dishes in the school cafeteria. And I said if this I hate. This can't do this anymore. And a sweet talk my way to computer science profit of helping. Ta His class in Algorithms. When I myself was completely unqualified for that and so it forced me to learn computer science algorithms that can ta the rest of the course but that desire came out of the suffering of washing dishes in the college cafeteria which is not to say? There's anything wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with anything really but it was not for me. I did not enjoy it. I headed active mind and I wanted to make my money and earn my living through mental activities not through physical activities but sometimes it takes the suffering of doing the wrong thing to motivate motivate you enough to do the right thing. I worked at a law firm for a while a prestigious law firm in New York City. I had a big internship there and I basically got fired for surfing. I used that back in the day. This is before the Internet was a big thing. US Net was the newsgroups and it was the only way for me to stay from being completely bored and I was overpaid guy. I wearing a tie and a suit not to hang out in the conference room where the lawyers need photocopies. That would make photocopies. In the meantime I would be bored out of my skull. This pre iphone. Thank God to Steve Jobs for saving assault from unending boredom but I used to read the Wall Street Journal or anything. That could get my hands on how to read the back of a brochure just to keep from going insane because listening to a bunch of corporate lawyers discuss how to optimize minute. Details in a big contract is really dull and they got mad at me because they wanted me to sit there quietly and not read the Wall Street Journal. They said that's rude. That's misbehavior so I got called up reprimanded a bunch of times and then I was finally terminated and sent home in shame early from my very very prestigious internship destroying my chance of going to law school and I was unhappy for all of an hour but ultimately it's one of the best things that ever happened to me because then I would have ended up as lawyer not that I have anything against lawyers but it's not what I was meant to do. You mentioned the catering job that you had a while back. That really kicked off the whole obsession. That was in Envi- thing when I was in high school I had to make some money to pay for my first semester at college and I had to get a job. It was the summer of Nineteen Ninety Ninety nine hundred ninety one timeframe so this was the bush senior recession. If anyone who's alive back then remembers. This was actually really hard to get a job. So I ended up working looking for an Indian food catering company and I ended up having to serve at a birthday party for a kid who was actually in my school. I saw my classmates and us out there serving food and drinks to them and that was incredibly embarrassing. Wanted to hide away in. Die Right there but you know what. It's all part of the plan so all part of the motivation. If I hadn't had that what happened I probably wouldn't be as motivated and I wouldn't be successful so it's all fine but it was definitely a very strong motivator and that sends envy can be useful and be can also eat you alive live if you let a follow your entire life but their points in your life where it can be very powerful booster rocket we spoke earlier about picking a business model that it has leverage from scale economies network effects zero marginal cost of replication. There were a few other ideas on the cutting room floor that I want to go through with you. The first one was the principal agent problem. Some mental models are all the rage. Everyone's trying to become smarter by adopting mental CLA models. I think mental models are interesting but I don't think explicitly in terms of mental model checklist and with Charlie monger does. But that's just not how I think instead. I tend to focus on the the few lessons that I've learned in life over and over that I think are incredibly important and seem to apply almost universally one that keeps coming up from micro economics because as we've established published macroeconomics is not really worth spending time on is what's called the principal agent problem principle Indus cases principal with a p. a. l. p. l. e.. So it's not mighty principle that you follow. The principal. Who is a person of principle is an owner? An agent is the person who works for the owner so you can think of it. As an employee the difference between a founder an employee I can summarizes by famous quote that either was said by Napoleon or by Julius Caesar's generally attributed to either one but what he said if you wanted done then go if not then send which is saying if you WanNa do something right. Do It yourself because other people just just don't care enough now. The principal agent problem POPs up everywhere in micro economics the way that they try to characterize it. Is that the principles. Incentives are different than the agents incentives. So the owner of the business wants what is best for the business and will make the most money the agent generally wants whatever will look good could to the principal or might make them the most friends in the neighborhood or in the business or might make them personally the most money you see this a lot with hired gun. CEOS running public companies were the ownership of the public company is distributed so widely that there's no principle remaining so nobody has more than one percent of the company the CEO takes takes charge stuff. The board with your buddies and then starts issuing themselves low price stock options or doing a lot of stock buybacks because their compensation is based directly tied to the Stock Price. So agents have away hacking systems. This is what make incentive design sore difficult as Charlie Munger says if you could be working on incentives. Don't work on anything anything else. Almost all human behavior can be explained by incentives study of signaling in signals is seeing what people do despite what they say. People are much more honest honest with their actions and their words. You have to get the incentives right to get people to behave correctly. It's a very difficult problem. Because the good people aren't purely coin-operated operated. They're not just looking for money they're also looking for other things like status or meaning in what they do. Principle agent problem is the one that as a business owner. You're always going to be trying to figure out. How do I make this person? Think like me. How do I in sent them? How do I give them founder mentality and I think you have to truly have been founder to fully appreciate how important is founder mentality thing is and what a difficult and gnarly problem? The principal agent problem is what I would say to. You is if you are or a principal. You essentially want to spend a lot of your time thinking about this problem. What that means is you WanNa take your top lieutenants and you want to be very generous with them in terms of ownership and incentives even if they don't necessarily realize it because over time they will and you want them to be aligned with you in how they operate when you do who business deals? It's better to have an aligned partnership where you both have the same incentives than a partnership where you got the advantage in the deal. You Negotiate Sheila in such a way that you've got the better end of the transaction because eventually the other person will figure it out or they'll be misaligned in the partnership will fall apart either way. It's not gonNa me one of those things that you can invest in two with the benefits of compound interest over decades. Finally if you're in a current role you're an agent. You're an employee your most close important job is to think like a principle the more you can think like a principal the better off. You're going to be long term because it's training you how to be a principal long-term and eventually eventually you will become a principle. It's also going to align new with the principal and a good principal will then promote you or empower you or give you accountability or leverage way out of proportion to what might be your menial role. I'm always very impressed by founders. Who will promote up very very young people through the ranks doc having them skip multiple levels despite their experience and invariably it happens because this agent whose way deep down things like a principal so if you can hack your way through the principal agent problem you've probably solve half of what it takes to run a company? The reason I asked about this one I is because I feel like I personally. Never see the principal agent problem in my work. I tend to work in small teams. Were everybody is highly economically aligned aligned and the people have been filtered for a commitment to the mission and everybody else who doesn't work out how moves onto another role elsewhere. These are all heuristic that you have designed to avoid having to deal with the single biggest problem in management another example example of a heuristic. You can have that helps you route around the principal agent problem. Is it deal with the smallest firms possible so for example. When I'm hiring a lawyer or or a banker or even accountant to work on my deals one of the things that have become very cognizant about is the bigger firms all things equal are generally worse? Yes yes they have more experience yes they have more people yes they have a bigger brand but what you'll find is that the principal and the agent are highly separated raided and very often the principal will sell you and convince you to work with the firm but then all the work will be done by an agent. Who simply doesn't care as much and you can end end up getting substandard service so I prefer to work with Boutiques and my ideal law firm to work with the law firm of one? My ideal banker to work with it is a solo banker. Now you're making other sacrifices and trade offs in terms of that person's resources and you're betting big on that person but you've got one throat to choke there's there's no one else to point fingers to there's nowhere to run. The accountability is extremely high. If you're an agent the best way to operate is just a what would the founder you do if you think like the owner and you act like the order. It's only a matter of time until you become the owner. Let's chat about the Kelly criterion the Kelly criterion is a very popularized mathematical formulation of a simple concept and a simple concept. Concept is don't risk everything stay out of jail. Don't bet everything on one big gamble. Just be very careful how much you bet each time. So you don't lose the whole Kitty. The Kelly Criterion mathematically formulates. If you're gambler even when you have an edge how much should you gamble per hand because even when you have an edge you can still lose news. So let's say you're a fifty one forty nine edge. Every gambler knows not to bet the whole kitty on that fifty one forty nine edge because you could lose everything and you don't get to come back to the average. Sem Talev HILEP famously talks about ergo density which is a fancy word for simple concept that what is true for one hundred people on average isn't the same as one one person averaging that same thing hundred times the easiest way to see that is by playing Russian Roulette six people who play Russian roulette once each and then each each winner gets a billion dollars one percents of dead five people have a billion dollars versus one person who plays Russian roulette with the same one gun. Six Times is never gonNA end up. A BILLIONAIRE IS GONNA ended up with zero and so- risk-taking especially when the averages are calculated across large populations is not always rational. The Kelly criterion helps you avoid. Read ruin the number one way in which people get ruined in. Modern business is not by betting too much but it's by cutting corners in doing unethical things or downright illegal things ending up in an orange jumpsuit in prison or having a reputation ruined is the same as getting wiped zero. So never do those things. Let's talk about the shelling. Point is a game theory. Concept made famous by Thomas Schelling in a book called Strategy Conflict which I do recommend reading. It's about multi-player Games where other people are responding based on what they think your responses. What he came up with was the mathematical formalization of? How do you get people who who cannot communicate with each other to coordinate? Suppose that I want to meet with you but I don't tell you where don't tell you when we both wanted meat but we cannot communicate anymore information to each other. That would sound like an impossible problem to solve. We're done we can't do it not quite because I know that you're rational person and and smart and educated and you know. I'm a rational person who's smart. We're going to start thinking if we have to pick an arbitrary date were probably GONNA pick New Year's and what time midnight or twelve o one. Am and where would we meet. What is a big meeting point? While if we're Americans probably New York City it's the most important city in where in New York City will meet midnight. I probably Grand Central Station under the clock. Maybe you ended up at the Empire State building but not likely you can just use social norms to converge onto a shelling point. There are many times in many games where you can look at the game itself. Whether it's business were art or politics and you can find the convergence shelling point within the context of that game game you can cooperate with the other person. Here's a simple example. Let's suppose that you have to companies that are competing heavily with each other and they hold all the gobbly. Let's say that they're competing eating right now in. The price fluctuates between eight bucks in twelve bucks for whatever. The services don't be surprised if they both converge. Ten Bucks without ever talking to each other do. Do you WanNa talk about Pareto. Optimal Pareto optimal is another concept from Game Theory. Along with Paredo superior. Parietal superior means that something is is better in some ways while being equal or better in the other ways. It's not worse off in any way is an important concept when you're negotiating with somebody if you can make a solution Paredo superior to where it was before you will always do that parade. Optimal is when the solution is the best that it can possibly possibly be than you can't change it without making it worse than at least one dimension. There is a hard trade off from this point forward. These are important concepts to understand when you're involved in the negotiation in negotiation though I would generally say that this is a tweet that have negotiations are won by. Whoever cares less negotiation at the end of the day is about not wanting to badly? If you want something too badly than the other person will be able to extract more price from it if you do care more about something that the other person and they are taking advantage of you in a negotiation then your best way to deal with that. It's a turn it from a short term game into a long-term term game try to make it into a repeat game. Try to bring reputation into line. Try to bring other people in who may have say in the future or May WanNa play games with this person in the future sure. An example of a very high cost low information. Single move game is having your house. Renovated Contractors notorious for overbooking ripping people off being accountable. I'm sure contractors. have their own side of it. The homeowner has unreasonable demands. We found problems. The homeowner doesn't want to pay for it they don't understand the low information buyers. It's very expensive transaction historically. It's been very hard to find good contractors and the contractors no choice on. What a good homeowner is you try? I had to go through friends. You try to go through reputation and what you're basically doing those. You're trying to convert a single move expensive game with a high probability of cheating on both sides. It's into a multi move game one way to do that. Say Well actually. I need to different projects done so the first project will together and then based on that other side. If we do the second project you can split your work into two projects. Another way might be. I'm going to do this project with you and three friends who want projects done. And they're waiting to see the outcome of these is projects and other one might be the same person operating within the same community and having a reputation in the community to protect another one could be you write them a yelp review or a thumb tack review. These are always turning a single move game into a longer term game and helping get passed a physician poor negotiating leverage in poor information we talked about compound ing in compounding interest. But we didn't really dig into it. That much relationships are good example of compound interest. Once you've been in a good relationship with somebody for a while whether it's business or it's romantic. Life gets a lot easier because you know that person's got your back. You don't have to keep questioning if I'm doing a deal with someone that I've dealt with for twenty years and I trust them and they trust me. We don't have to read. The legal contracts may need to create legal contracts. Maybe we can actually do it on handshakes inch shakes. That kind of trust makes very very easy to do business. If not an I start another company. I know that if things aren't working out we're both going to be extremely reasonable annable about how to go about it how to exit out of it how to shut it down or even if we're scaling and how to bring in New People this point we have mutual trust and that allows us is to start businesses more easily almost compounds the effect especially when you're dealing with something like a startup which is so difficult to pull off. Removing these frictional actional mechanisms can actually often be the difference between success and failure. I think the number one most under recognized reason startups fail is because the founders fall apart. There's a couple non intuitive things about compounding the first one is that most of the benefits of compounding comes at the end end of the compounding so you may not necessarily see the huge benefits of it upfront. There is a good quote from an article that Sam Altman wrote where he said. I always want it to be a project that if successful will make the rest of my career look footnote again. That just goes back to the idea that most of the benefits of compound income at the end the other thing that's a little non intuitive about compounding is that I think it's better to have a few deep calm. Tom Pounding relationships with people. Instead of a large amount of non compounded relationships one of the under realized things in business is that it takes just as much chaffart to create a small business does decrease the large business whether you're Elon. Musk or whether you're the guy running three Italian restaurants in town. You're working eighty hours a week. You're you're sweating bullets. You're hiring and firing people. You're trying to balance the books. It's highly stressful. And it takes years and years of your life but in one case you get companies that worth fifty hundred billion dollars and the adulation of everybody and the other hand you might make a little bit of money. And you've got some nice restaurants so think big or other any other other micro economic concepts outside of zero marginal cost of replication in and scale economies the important for people to understand price. Discrimination is an important thing to understand what it means is that you can charge. People different things based on their propensity to pay. Now you will not allow charge different different people different things just because you don't like them you have to offer them a little something extra but it has to be something that rich people care about business. Class seats will routinely Emme cost five or ten times. What economy class seat does but it probably cost the airline? Just two maybe three eggs to provide that is just. The rich person is more willing to pay so you have to give them the little things that they need extra either signal. They're rich or that little bit of comfort that they want price. Discrimination gets us a lot and enterprise software where you have a Freeman Siemian product. The free version will do almost everything but then if you want the version that's a little extra secure or hosted on your site or has multi user administration so the. It person awesome can wander everything that's going on your suddenly find yourself paying ten hundred or infant times as much as you go from a free product to a price product another good concept except is consumer surplus and producer surplus which is the excess value that somebody gets. Even though they're willing to pay more the product was priced the same for everybody. I get a lot of joy out of my morning coffee obviously amid some money if my coffee costs twenty dollars twenty. My morning coffee but starbucks doesn't know that can't price the coffee twenty dollars just for me because selling the exact same product so I'm getting a lot of consumer surplus out of the coffee and all businesses January consumer surplus. It's a good thing to keep in mind when someone's harping about how evil companies are Amazon. Might be a trillion dollar company. But I'll bet you they're generating trillions of dollars in consumer consumer surplus through convenience and willingness to pay. There are a lot of people who are willing to pay more than what Amazon charges them for other services. Let's talk about. MTV NPD's just the net present value. Something it's when you say that stream of payments I'm GonNa get in the future. What is that worth today? So a common example of this is your joining a start up company and you're getting stock options and the founder says well. This company is going to be worth a billion dollars and I'm giving you point one percent of the company company. Therefore you're getting a million dollars worth of stock. What he's she's arguing was going to be worth the future? You have to discount that back to today to figure out. What is that worth today? And you have to apply a discount rate or interest rate that takes into account the massive risk that startups face. What you end up with is the price today and that's the price at which venture sure? Capitalists would invest in the company today so if that founder just raised around at ten million dollars in that company is only worth one percent of what the founders arguing your million million dollar package is actually a worth ten thousand dollars so N. P. calculations at a very rough level. You should be very comfortable doing in your head. What what's the mis-priced extra analogy? You mentioned that at some point during our podcast externalities when there is additional cost that is imposed by whatever product it is being produced or consumed that is not accounted for in the price of the product. Sometimes you can fix that. By putting the price back into the product. One of the most ardent ways people people attack capitalism these days is that is destroying the environment and if you throw away capitalism because destroying the environment and guess what we're all headed back to pre industrial times. Haimes is not going to be a good thing so rather there's an extra analogy because the environment is finite the environment is precious and we have to price it properly and folded back in in if people are wasting water or putting hydrocarbons in the atmosphere or polluting things. You want to charge them what it costs to clean up that pollution returning to to a pristine state. Perhaps that price has to be very very very high. If you raise the price high enough you knock out pollution. It's much better than feel good measures where we're just going to ban Dan plastic bags and we're going to say don't take showers and Saturdays and Sundays when we're having a drought California's likes to run declarations and adds to scare you to not take showers. There's an times when there's a drought when it would be much better to raise the price of fresh water. Your average consumer might pay a few pennies more for a shower but then the almond farmers Murs who consume a lot of the water will cut back on using fresh water and almond farming may move to a part of the country where water is more abundant properly pricing externalities. You can save resources in a tremendous way is a good framework to think about how to be effective when you want to do things like save the environment resin than feel good things at won't actually amount to anything. One of the most common questions we get from people is. How do I get the time to start investing myself? I have a job. They'll take off the answer. Sir with one of the tweets from the cutting room floor where you said you will need to rent your time to get started. This is only acceptable when you're learning and saving preferrably verbally in a business where society does not yet know how to train people and apprenticeship is the only model. You then have to work starting out unless you happen to be born enrich in which case. You probably won't have the motivation to make money in the first place. If you're going to do the work join a business where apprenticeship matters in Warren Buffett went and tried to work for Benjamin engram straight with school to learn how to value investor in the offer to work for free and Ben Grimm said. You're overpriced true in that these apprenticeships businesses. You're probably making a sacrifice into the short term career worth their but try to learn something where people haven't quite figured out how to teach it yet and that can happen if you're working in a field that is brand new and quickly expanding some no one has figured it out. or it's a feel of. Its brace circumstantial Gobert details really matter and it's always moving. For example fund investments or investing in general is one of those skills. Entrepreneurship is one of those skills. One of the the most coveted job. This conference Silicon Valley in the last half decade or so is being a chief of staff or an entrepreneur where the brightest young kids will follow the CEO or the entrepreneur around and do whatever that person needs to do and many cases they were over qualified for the position. You may have someone who has to graduate degrees. Who's essentially running the CEO's laundry laundry for that day because that's the most important thing that needs to be done but at the same time they're also gonNA be sitting? In all the highest end staff meetings they can be privy to all the venture fundraising decks and all the stress and drama theatrics innovation and knowledge. That can only come from being next to the entrepreneur because the entrepreneurs willing to do anything and everything to make the company successful and the chief of staff was coming them in learning now. Obviously this is very who can valley centric Tech Company advice if you are currently stuck in a normal job job and you don't have the opportunity to learn in apprenticeship model. They need to make money then. Go ahead and do that job. But even within the context of that job try to be innovative sign up to take on new challenges new responsibilities. Find the part with the job. That has the steepest learning curve. What you're really trying to avoid repetitive drudgery repetitive drudgery doesn't serve anybody then you essentially discounting the time until your job is automated away even if you're a Barista the coffee shop try to figure out how to make connections with customers try to figure out how to innovate on what you're offering them on your basic service delight the customer and what what will happen is managers founders owners? They notice the hardest thing for any founder is to find people who will work with them who have founder mentality polity and this is a fancy way of saying they care enough and what most people will say well. I'm not the founder. I'm not being paid enough to care. Actually you are the knowledge which and the skills that you gain by having founder mentality set you up to be a founder down the line and it pays you in that sense you can get a lot out of almost any the position. You just have to put a lot into a thumb working a job and I wanted to figure out if I should get accountability judgments specific knowledge leverage. It sounds like you're saying the one thing to optimize core is specific knowledge of all those things. If You can judgment takes experience take a lot of time to build up you have to put yourself in positions where you can exercise judgment that will come from taking on accountability. Leverage is something that society gives you much later once. You've demonstrated your judgment unless you learn a code or you become good with media these permission. Lists leverage leverage kind of comes later judgment comes later accountability. You can take on immediately you can say hey. I'll take charge of this thing that nobody wants. Take charge of so accountabilities where you can step up then you're putting your neck on the chopping block so you have to deliver. Specific knowledge gets built up by taking on accountability for things that other people don't know how to do and that perhaps you enjoy doing or you're naturally inclined towards doing. You could be working in a factory and it may turn out. The hardest thing in the factory is is knowing how to raise capital to keep the factory running and that's what the owner of the factories always stressed out about. And if you notice this and you're like I'm good at balancing my checkbook a good head for numbers and I'm good at watching money but I haven't really raised money before you offer your help and become the owner side kick in that regard you help solve their biggest problem problem. You'll become the heir apparent early on find things where you have any interest and take on accountability. Don't worry about short term compensation if you dive into the edge of knowledge which nobody knows how to solve and you saw the heart problems take on accountability people line up behind you. The leverage will come there. There are a couple other related tweets to this topic from the cutter. Groom for that. I'll read I the technology industry is a great place to acquire specific knowledge. You the frontier is always moving forward. If you were genuinely intellectually curious you will acquire the knowledge ahead of others. Brio technologies around uh-huh uh-huh everywhere. The spoon was technology. Once fire was technology once once we figured out how to make it work disappeared in the background became part of our everyday lives so technology is by definition the intellectual frontier. It's taking the things that are recent from science or from culture that we have not figured out how to mass-produced commercialize at how to make it available to everybody so technology will always be where you can pick up specific knowledge. That's valuable society that doesn't Quite understand yet exemplify become world class expert in machine. Learning just with machine learning is starting to take off and I thought through through my genuine intellectual interest. I bet career on it. I'm going to do really well. But twenty years from now machine learning maybe second hat. There are also timeless forms of specific knowledge for example. So if you're good at persuading people it's probably a skill that you picked up early on in life. It's always going to apply because persuading people as always would be valuable this. This is one of those skills as generic it probably alone is not enough to build a career on it needs to be combined a skill stack. You might combine persuasion with counting combined. Mind with understanding for example semiconductor production lines and now all of a sudden you're the best semiconductor sales person becomes the best semiconductor company. See Yael there are timeless specific knowledge skills. Those are skills out. Say That can pretty much never be talk. And then there are timely specific knowledge skills which come and go but even those tend to have fairly long shelf lives of decade or two decades three decades. So technology's good place to find those specific skill sets. And if you bring in a more generic specialized knowledge skill sets the other tweet from the cutting room floor was related to count ability in companies. It said companies. Don't I don't know how to measure output so they measure inputs instead work in a way that your outputs are visible and measurable. If you don't have accountability do something different. The entire structure of rewarding people comes from the agricultural and industrial age. Where you're inputs? Your output smashed matched up very closely. The amount of hours that you put into doing something was a good rough proxy for what kind of output you're going to get today. It's extremely nominee. We're one good. Investment decision can make accompany ten or one hundred million dollars. One good product feature could be differently in product market fit and complete failure failure so judgment and accountability matter much much more and you want the accountability because sometimes the best engineers or the best sales people are the ones who don't work very hard. But then they'll ship at one critical product at just the right time or they'll make that one huge seal or that one deal that will make the company or at least make the numbers for the quarter quarter. It's very important that people are able to tell that you had a role in there. That doesn't mean that you stop all of your team. Humans are extremely sensitive to people who take too much credit so you do wanna be the kind of person that has always giving out credit but the smart people will know who was responsible. There are jobs where you're we're not customer facing enough where you Kinda cog in the machine and you sacrifice accountability to some degree and examples consultant as a consultant often. You're you're giving the best ideas and the best outcome but it's being delivered through some persons working within the organization. At that point you may not have visibility to the top people in the organizations and you may be hidden behind a screen and that's just a trade off you're making in exchange for independence of the consultant because you're not willing to play the corporate rat race this or the corporate ladder game realized that with accountability. You can get a lot more credit when things go right of course the downside is you get hurt a lot more when things go go wrong you stick your neck out. You have to be willing to be blamed sacrifice and unit attack so if you're the kind of person that thrives in a high accountability environment when you're naturally also going to end agree thick skin over time you're going to get hurt a lot. People can attack you if you fail. If you're working a job. I think you can apply okay. A lot of the principles of the tweet storm inside the job like we just discussed including other ones like partnering. With rational optimists you can find people in the organization organization who are optimistic rational that have energy integrity and intelligence and the flip side of this. Is that if you once you get. Instances of acknowledged one way the scale. It is the start training apprentices that you can then outsource some of your tasks to for example. I made a bunch of good investments and I figured out a little bit here and there about the venture business and keep doing that. I could keep just investing investor but instead by CO founded this project called spearhead where we train up and coming young founders also become angel and venture investors and we give them a checkbook apprenticeship model. They come to us. What specific deals that? They're looking at and we help them. Think through every unique situation and basically apprentice them under us to learn the venture business. And it's much more scalable. We have classes in talks where we have tell them what we know and then their office hours when they actually bring in the deals and talked about specific deals and it turns out. The classes at talks are largely workless. You can give all the generic advice to give in about an hour and then after that all additional advice circumstance that essentially cancels zero if you try to give it in some top down fashion but the officer incredibly useful it just reinforces visit limbo skills. That can only be learned on the job and when you find a skill that can only be learned on the job by doing it. That is a good indicator that you're dealing with specific knowledge. Another good indicator with your dance of knowledge is when you Ask the person who's doing it. What do you do every day? And they can't give you a straight answer or get something online. Every day is different based on. What's going on? That's that's a good indicator you're learning specific knowledge. The thing is so complicated. And it's so dependent upon circumstances that it can't be boiled down to a textbook spoke form or communicated by a make money consultant the mafia figured out this apprenticeship model a long time ago. The best way to end up running one of the the families was to become the driver for the dawn of one of the families. It's complicated business. Tony Soprano sent a businessman who has to enforce my own contracts very complicated business.

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BONUS: The UPS Store's Small Biz Challenge; Where We Grow From Here

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18:14 min | 1 year ago

BONUS: The UPS Store's Small Biz Challenge; Where We Grow From Here

"Hey income sensitive listeners. We've got a bonus episode for you. Today is a custom. Podcast series called small Biz challenge where we grow from here made in partnership with the ups store in the series. You'll hear host Shannon Linear and conversation with Robert Her travek we'll be back with more Inc. uncensored soon hello and welcome to the UPS store small business challenge where we grow from here. Podcast on shadow a nanny. We have a very special guest with us. Robin Hirsch AVEC founder and CEO of the Hirschbeck Group and of course star of ABC's Shark Tank. Robert Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me Shannon so everybody. Today's show brought to you by the ups store because things are far from business as usual but ups store wants you to know that they're open and ready to help your small business any way they can during these difficult times and all you have to do is visit the ups store dot com for locations and hours and of course we're going to help a lot of small businesses today. What their money matters and Robert is here with expert advice to get us all through this together so Robert. Let's start off with talking about what it buys you again to small businesses. That are going to a lot of money matters right now and a lot of money concerns. Yeah I think what we're trying to tell small businesses really three key words as were number. One is honesty second. His resilience and three is trigger so in terms of honesty. You've got to be brutally honest with yourself about what situation you're in how long you can go. What your burn rate is all those kinds of things. This is not the time for false modesty. False hope it. Just you've got to be brutally honest with yourself with your employees and transparency. The second one is resilience. You didn't start this business because you're weak. You started this business because you're strong. Go back to that element of strength. It's going to get you through it. This is not going to be won by the people that are big or small. It's going to be won by people are dapple and resilient and we all can get through this and then the third one is you know. The world is changing every single week right now. It seems like every week is like a year in the old world so constantly know what the trigger points are in your business where you need to cut back more where you need to invest more and when you see opportunities happening in order to accelerate know what those triggers are or. Are there any things that you can recommend that they keep an eye out to cut costs? Are you know whether that's their bills? Their overhead costs because a lot of people aren't saying these new contracts clients have projects come in. So are there any things they should start with? Well the first thing is you should probably cut out all non essential things that you may not need. We cut out all travel. Obviously everyone else has done the same thing now. Some people have cut back on advertising. But depending on your business it may be a good time if you can afford it to double down on some of that kind of stuff. So I think that's very situational depending on the state of Your Business and depending on how long you can go with the cash reserves that you have now for those who don't have any cash reserves is there any hope for them surviving. This is just a matter of wait it out and see how many things you can defer for now. I think there's always hope but hope is usually not a great strategy. My first rule would be if there isn't a lot of cash reserves. Can you go back to your bank in a lot of people may have loans that they can tap into lines of credit? See if you can draw down on those as much as you can. Things like credit cards. I mean right now. Having cash is better than having a line of credit or lines of debt. The second one is. Can you work with your customers? In order to bring cash in a lot of customers are hurting but not every sector is hurting. Trucking companies Some healthcare companies. They're on fire right now. They're doing great so if they need your services. Can you bring in some cash? Sooner by may be giving a discount in order to bring some of that money sooner can you? Can you get people to prepay for some of your services law? The restaurants are offering gift cards that can be used later on in order to bring some cash in so anything that you can do to be creative to bring cash in is really important right now. I want to ask you about people who may have a reserve those companies who have six months stocked up just in case. God forbid something like this happen. Should they start tapping into that reserve now or should they hold onto that reserve and tried to find other credit? Cards loans are still you know using some of that money like you mission for the government to try to pay off before they tap into their own reserve. China. It's a great question and I think caches king and anything you can. Do you have reserves or not to build up your cash reserve? You should do so in general right now. I'm not worried about that right now. I'm not worried about long-term term debt because long-term debt means. I'm business to pay it off. I have incredible faith in my company as I think most entrepreneurs do so if you can raise more money from your bank right now if you can increase cash by drawing down your credit card or your line of credit take that money and converted to cash because once the reserves are gone. They're gone so try to use every other resource you have before you tap into the cash reserves. How long should we be preparing for this to go on? Because I know people are like. Oh okay now. We have until April thirtieth now who knows a kick back up right like. How do you even start to budget and put plans in place? We don't know when this is GONNA end. Why think we know some things and we know? How other countries have reacted? We know that for some industries. It'll be an immediate come back whenever that is and for others Il. Just take longer. You know my advice to a lot of small businesses is planned for a staggered return as opposed to V curve immediately. And for sure. It's GonNa be a number of many weeks whatever that is an potentially a couple of months or more and I think most people would agree today. That's not going to be a a magic button. Somebody hits and everybody comes back. There might be parts of the population that go back sooner than later and others will just take longer time as people build up immunity or get healthy and so on and I know you mentioned other this earlier that some businesses are thriving at this time so for those that are thriving are those who may have reserves there are opportunities they may be saying for example the stock market. Do you suggest that people go ahead and invest while some of the stocks are down every bad recession? Depression is a good time to buy equities on a long-term basis. Nothing in this country creates greater wealth than equities. Well short of starting your own business. It depends on your personal situation. Nobody knows when the bottom of this market is and the challenge. Some of these large companies may not be around airlines and people like that so the stock market today is not a great reflection on the quality of the companies. It's a reflection of the time that we're living in. But if you've got spare cashing you can hold out for a long time for sure. You should always be doing some level of dollar averaging or investments and for those that are out there and they're saying well you know I just don't have any money at all. I don't even have money to pay my employees but I don't WanNa lay them off. What can they do because a lot of people they love their employees they treat them like family and they don't WanNa lay them off but they don't have the money to pay them? Well you don't really have a choice. I I think that the you know the the funny thing about caches. Once you run out of cash and you don't have more cash. It's it's gone and while I'm trying to tell every business. Owner is the first responsibility is to survive and have the company be there it. You are much better off to put yourself in a position where the company is going to be around and you can bring all those people back. Look China I think one of the things we've all learned out of. This is how resilient and supportive we are. Your employees will understand and people will understand it. It's it's not like people are doing this. Because they're fickle every business owners reacting to incredible times. And if you treat your people fairly whether it's with good news or bad news they'll come back and they'll understand that it's just a hard lesson for people to learn as any easy way to break that news to people. No no but the I've been in business for a long time and I can tell you every time I've had to do a lay off and it's been probably two or three times in my thirty plus years of being in business. I can tell you exactly when it was and it feels painful. You know every business is a collection of incredible human beings and you ask those people to wake up every day you ask them to go out and build something great with you and it becomes part of an extended family. There's no interpret Noor. That is great at what they do. That doesn't love their business and by extension love their people and when you feel like you let people down as much as this is your fault as much as this is an economic time. Nobody could have predicted. You still feel responsible and you still feel like you let people down on the flip side to all of this. What about some people that were ready to start a company right about now? And then this hit. What do you say to them? I've started businesses in recessions and really bad times and they tend to do pretty well. And here's the benefit if you're starting now people don't have a lot of time to waste you know in good times if people like you. If you're likable people give you the time of day? Sure let's go for lying job. I love to hear about your product. Oh tell me more all that kind of stuff you know. Those human niceties that tend to drag out cycles in sales and take a long time to get to a real. Yes or a real know in times like this. If people don't see value in your product or service man they're gonNa tell you right away and when you're starting a business you want that you WANNA know if you're wasting time because you don't want to focus on ten things you want to focus one or two things that are gonNA work. That's the benefit of starting. Now what are some of the businesses that you could see thriving in this type of economy? I know you mentioned truck driving earlier. What are some other things that you think I think Service business that can outsource core functions for other companies? The one thing the large enterprises are learning right now. Is it's really hard to retain people and it's really hard to have a cost model. That's based on a lot of staff. If you have a contract with somebody you can scale up or down depending on demand so I think outsource services for it. I think it's a great time to be in the delivery business I think. Ups stores and services like that are even more critical for businesses He wore a realizing. How connected businesses as part of general life? You know when my restaurant stops working. My farmer can't sell them food. So all those things become a cascading effect. Now I WANNA talk a little bit more about The budget because whether they have money or they don't a lot of small businesses are trying to figure out where they should put their money. I know you mentioned cash is King. But where do you think is most important right now to put their money? Should they be putting the money towards advertising towards trying to get more people into their business or should they be trying to put the money towards you know their employees and try and make sure bats paid? Y You have to be honest with the state of Your Business. Some businesses that are built on new customer acquisition are going to struggle right now. People are very busy. Nothing is going to completely stop in. The sense of people still need certain services and certain goods by depends on what your business is. In general though in terms of a budget try to break out costs into those that you have to keep paying. Eventually you have to pay your rent. You have to pay your taxes. You have to pay your bills. It may not be today. Could be tomorrow but you have to pay those things. What costs can you scale back on? And then what are those trigger points for more opportunity? You WanNa get ahead of your competitors in letting customers know you're still there for business now. I don't know the legalities of behind this but are employers allowed to tell their employees. Hey just hang with me a few more weeks. I'll pay you once we get through all of this and Kinda work on. Iou type of plan. I think that's very individual so I think all bets are off the table right now. You have to figure out what works for you and Your Business. In some businesses it is better to cut everybody's pay and keep everybody in other businesses. It is better to furlough some of them and keep everybody hol. You've got to figure out works for Your Business. Your culture in your employees. I know a lot of people that are in business. They got in business by spending their own money to invest in to their companies so now that their companies have run into this slama running out of money. These suggest go back to paying into their own business from their own personal finances their own credit cards. Even you know. That's that's really tough. I mean I've always been a big believer in bootstrapping. Your Business I think as a interpret Noor. Biggest payback is always your equity tried to keep as much equity as long as you can before you bring in other investors if you have other investors or bank loans and that that's GonNa dictate some of that so before you put in more of your own personal savings and that depends on your situation see if you can maximize your line of credit or bank clone or any type of external funding if you can't and you believe in Your Business and you see a light at the end of that tunnel and you can keep going inevitably. That's a personal decision in your small proprietor. You're you're you may have to be in a position where you have more money into your business you know. I would never judge somebody for making that kind of a personal decision. Good or bad. That's very individual or that's something right that I didn't think of that you. If you already have a line of credit you can just try to increase that in trying to get a little bit more money out of that. That people may not even think that. That's an option especially. I think if you've been on time with payments that banks will look at you more favorably. Correct stay on side with the banks. Stay outside with your covenants downside with the banks for as long as you can. Don't go to them asking for help until you need to. Because typically the first people that go to the bank asking for help are the ones that are in trouble and if you can get through the next thirty days forty five days sixty days and have a great relationship with your bank. You're meeting all your covenants. You're still onside. You're in a much stronger position to ask for help later on than you are today. Yeah all great advice but before we go. Is there any last word that you would like to get to some of those small business owners that are out there listening and going through these moneymatters? Yeah I think I woke up yesterday. News early in the morning I went out. As as incredible a sky outside it was like orangey incredible colored the makes you look at the sky and say wow and you know my advice to people is the. Sun will rise again tomorrow and this too shall end urine incredibly strong resilient human being. You started this business for a greater reason than just to get a paycheck. Go back to that purpose. Make sure you're in a position to survive and look for opportunity. Earn Great Advice. Thank you so much for all that you've given throughout this call Robin Hood you back the founder and CEO of the Vet Group and of course the Star of ABC's Shark Tank. Thank you so much for joining us for the UPS STORE. Small Best Challenge where we grow from here podcast. Of course we'll be back again with more great information so don't miss a single episode of this and remember that the ups store is currently open and ready to help you any way they can see you soon

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Dane Cook

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

1:18:14 hr | 1 year ago

Dane Cook

"You're listening to inside he with Michael Rosenbaum Hey guys hope you had a great weekend Ryan thanks for being here with me thanks for having we've actually been here like the whole day with me it's been a day we we've done a couple of episodes yeah I was like well you you can go home or like I stay here so got some lunch and I took a nap it was roommates I know yeah I didn't I didn't care inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience at the end of this episode from the album and I I hope Geyser you're you're digging it and I think that's about it the guests today though is check it out and my band left on Laurel the album is out folks save by the ground order it on I tunes you listen to any platform the merge store his parents dying his his brother embezzling show I mean I just like him I feel like he's just a genuine guy he's been through shit ton you know it's a it's a crazy place to date Hollywood because as creative people there's a lot of stuff that comes with people that are living in that left side of their brain I knew Dane Cook I knew a little bit about him we see each other like some parties in the past and you know I I just you know I know but after this kid in high school that didn't feel like anybody cared or paid any attention certainly loved that lane that was nice it is so much comes with it so you end up sometimes in something that you think is going to be mutual like Simpatico we get each other in its more fiery I'm more simple have you ever stayed in wow now and I keep trying to bring you guys great gas and You keep listening and again we're just trying to grow this show so anything you can do I try to answer your tweets I tried to answer any question ends and thank you from the bottom of my heart the new podcast in love with Michael Rosenbaum Chris Ullivan is out we have some great guests coming up on that one too so keep listening to that if you're not something that's just like God she's gorgeous I'm too or or I'm to sexually attracted to this person to let them go I think I probably went visit again there's that thing where you go am I just going to end up back in like ninth grade at the end of this whole thing is a simulation where every day right every day Dane Cook Pawn you're listening to inside of you with Michael who rose knocking down it gets back he's the definition of resiliency in a lot of ways and I just had a really a lot of fun with this one so let's get inside gone out with pretty women I've I've dated a couple isn't that Nice I isn't it nice to be you know you you come from like I guess nothing you were just you can go to inside you store actually we're selling the merge there's vinyls that are numbered there are there's just so much cool shit so listen to the band I think he liked the music we're gonNA play a song a friend he's like he's like I want to be your friend I was thinking that I really just like the guy he's been through a lot he talks about everything was there anything he just didn't talk about interview I got I'm telling you he's so open and I can tell I always like when I feel like Ryan I felt he'd like the interview like he was really enjoying it you guys got along you you made a friend today to try to find your way nothing and then all of a sudden you know you make you do some good things he dates and pretty girls does that little Dane kind of go hey big name the the the so I I certainly jumped in with a plum I enjoy those relationships but at the same time I always had my I was always looking for somebody who was through a couple of Yeah definitely early in my career held onto tight because the scared kid was like this is all cool you're never gonNA offstage twenty thousand People Madison Square Garden Twenty People Local Comedy Club I don't care about equalling that feeling the new one I am I think I'm kind of a rare individual in that the moment my footsteps I'm a homebody I'm simple I love the work to be kind of crazy and that's where the attention is but the minute I'm off stage I don't want somebody chasing it you know I like somebody who's I don't need to talk about it let's just fucking watch suicide squad I can tell you that maybe the second one I don't win the new one comes anticipate yeah yeah very content to methodically think of how I wanNA perform do it by the time I hi fi the last person I'm already in like mediocre chill mowed my heart is racing I'm not like I was such a scared kid and I had so much fucking anxiety and I was so self deprecating in downright cruel to myself that comedy became this weird safe haven where I was never a scared on stages I was in life dealing with people in a real capacity longtime before I realized Oh stand up is me that guy on stage in the in in being somebody who can speak up for themselves dance wait say it again let's break that down that was if I knew now what I sort of what I'm saying is that little time travel if you could use phobias anxiety attacks even when I was in the womb I grew up in fear in a womb and so on born with my dad's physically is brave and believes in himself all the things that I didn't believe or feel offstage I finally realized Oh shit this this character is me that guy is me I need to be him in pull some of that into my regular life so I would start waking up in the morning kind of in that mode of like performance we know all right okay explain the difference to me okay explaining the Beta Beta Alpha Alpha Alpha Alpha leader. Let's go I know what I'm doing I'm happy to me was terrifying and took a lot of years to finally be able to have an equal measure of both well wait a minute so you said as a kid you had anxiety love and belief from him but he wanted me to be that thing that he was now other side mom sensitive phobic very phobic had it's and that helped me to Certif- I didn't have any assert I had no spine man for a lot of years I was the most Beta Beta you'd ever meet and now I'm the most Alpha Alpha you'll probably right then I had to really snap into it and realize Oh this this business side of it what it's not fun just comedy and then you go home and everybody high fives it's not it's not that a frequent so as a young kid you're the opposite of sort of how you feel now like if you had to do some of that stuff now as a kid that kid when they made that go ahead I I wish I had a fucking Whiteboard Okay Dad Athlete Dad Old School Boston hard ass patchy talk it out with people I was the sensitive side I was scared side and it took me a ton of years to finally kind of meeting the middle was there one big thing that you said turning point but I know that when I was doing stand up in Boston and I started to feel like it was my thing like I I started to be like okay I wanted caviar get your ass up get the fuck Outta here olders that like scrape the fucking hallway as he walked down just a bully just was he I knows how to turn do you turn it off to you can you absolutely like do you get home and go oh this happened this happened I felt like this or are you just like I only WanNa talk about it I'll see you probably wouldn't have taken success and all the stuff oh no you have no way if I never stepped foot on any stage I don't know how it would have gotten right with myself I it really took I had to learn how to be brave and stand up for myself in you know get get paid for the gay or whatever it was when somebody was being shady so that was the moment rice and they were actually really friendly and there's a lot of guys that were just supported it just intimidating and it can get ugly I'll tell you why it gets ugly though when somebody like you steps in and it's always Emma dated I shouldn't get nervous Danes not nervous I shouldn't you nervous why am I nervous you're nervous because you never done this he's been doing this whole life you fucking idiot I started doing stand up a little bit and I was and I remember talking to you and your so humble and you sat there with me and you were like I am remember ask you that question you know all of comedy is like if somebody above you in terms of like they're graduating class comes in if Eddie Murphy walks in he's going before right and I'm not even going to complain about that do this I wanna like live in this world once I started experiencing what it meant to be in a competitive environment with you know creative people he got roasted without even knowing that we were all just off to the side of the stage just like destroying that was par for the course it wasn't anything about him it was more about that what your heart is racing right before you get on stage racing you're excited nervous not nervous never been nervous before me that before I was going to perform because okay got to change this I'd be you know people saying certain things or your parents saying things are your relationships are you noticing I don't like my question I've never really thought of that you're trying to cater or pander comedians don't like actors that I don the fray so I saw David Arquette come in to the factory one night in yeah and a few others bobby Lee they're like hey get onstage do do it and I it scared the fucking me you know what's Bucket List Shit let me just do it and even know people weren't mean I don't like this nothing personal sketch guys don't like Comedians they don't respect them they don't really believe that they're on the same playing field because they think oh you're you're mainstream I thought I can just do this because I'm known I know how to walk red carpet and Banter with camera crews and they think they can just do that and they don't see that it's a fucking Nick Dude in Korea fucking probably could have done the whole thing himself kind of guy you dated by an intimidated by him but at the same time felt an abundance of into a club you wouldn't need to say hey can go next I'd be like Dude Sandler's lawn now I'll I'll hang out and even though that that to this date irks some performers hi and he's kind of like that whole character was very like skittish so it's tough to read like is he nervous because he knows he's taken a hot one or made it right now if that if you had those feelings that anxiety as a boy that it would hold you all through my teens okay so if you were that kidnapped ah you know somebody like yourself it's not to say that just because you're an actor you can't that's not true at all it's like I know comics are even better actor sometimes than they are comedian the fucking Eddie Murphy but even if Sandler who is graduating class ahead of me when I was on the road he was already SNL when in killing at colleges if Santa that part of it never bothered me it was the off stage antics and there's an intimidation factor in fact I only done it for about a year I wanted you know because my buddy Harlan our friend Harlan I'm not going to get shit on if I'm supposed to go up right now I'm going up you're not going to push me della whatever I mean of course that just depends well that's right right it's it's the fact that everybody thinks that they can but not everybody's meant to do it that's true and it's also takes this something deeper than like to become an actor everybody gets that still happen you to me never in our no but yeah because if I'm GONNA club and they say hey you're on at ten the totem if you're bombing you're going to continue to bomb because you have to do the rest of your set and you can watch your guy though you can watch a comic bombing in it's still funny and how is that possible in a hammer you because we'd seen I'm not gonNA name any more our cat respect for and I hope that he would understand it bringing him up with love in my heart but he was a guy that like many other when he picked all the stuff that was I think he knew it but it's tough to tell with him but he's thinking he's a stammering kind of lectureship last six years of his life his scary dude and I like somebody with a little bit of that in their eyes and so I just put that into my into my repertoire of comedy started to try to blend the two sides of myself together so you became sort of like a businessman like this is what I want to be and maybe it was a respect thing you wanted them to respect you become whatever as a public speaker to the that there's a certain level of confidence but to be Astana comedian until you do it for me but it doesn't mean that it's for Whitney Cummings or Elisa slesinger or you know pick pick a name everybody has their own version of like the thing they can lean into something really unbelievable when it pertains to this time we were at the Grove in thousands of people were watching the fountain show the water goes like a meteorological Jay Davis tournament it's because ultimately if you're in your own truth whether that's embalming truth or I'm killing it or this just happened now but I'm making it sound like mayor anything it's about the competent you have your fucking cool because even if you're bombing I bombed in it's like even in my bombing I have a certain cool and I know how to assess of years you watch him shit each shell gun he he he he had maybe one of the top five where sets wine laughs even on myself to say this is bad and I'm GonNa tell you why it's bad that's that's can you keep your cool in the pocket Kinda Shit is that Alpha I've been working on this piece of material for a year it really just all comes down to with Energy Davis J. J. so he he's been a friend of mine e books for years he said polity in in in in to look at me you would say oh he probably plays ball or something no no ability to be collaborative sit like this always handle this I just knew I was doing some things right and that I needed to partition those and build off of those things and at that stage where you still till you're onstage at the comedy store in front of a packed crowd then you realize you you're in charge now there's nobody on stage plan backup vocals for you you were too out of control it's like a riddle way if I wait if I don't even know what I said I don't know what it was like inception the treatment for inception I think it was I on that weren't complete I was fortunate because I focused on some pieces that I knew were advantageous to the generation I was coming up with I think I'm really starting to get good. Wow Yeah yeah but you had a career like I mean you're you're you're the the main guy right with pieces to lean into when I'm starting to feel like I have control that probably took a lot of time I mean right I'm twenty nine years in in the last eight have been he goes I guess any he goes look at all these people he goes people believe anything that's confident even water and that's the key it's not so much about the joke or the when it was like something like that like you're talking to them I know what you're talking about tell me if I'm right you perform and then afterwards you're talking right nobody likes shown video unless you're GonNa do sticky stuff there's Europe there for fifteen twenty twenty five minutes and it's you right and that's it right and so you're confident yeah confident and then still dealing with the anxiety at that time I'd get off stage any arena you name it and then I'd go to do the meat seventh grade and I'd hear stuff sometimes people you know you're around the corner and I'd hear certain people like talking about my face or people can still do that they do Kinda back talked about me and hear things once in a while but what would you here really bad stuff means stuff bad horrible cystic acne when I was in the show the other night and then if I see some nice comments I'll write back but I'm not looking for something I'm not going into another page that I have no stake in to wonder what are these people think about me but I also was honest enough because I had done the work on myself to go oh I'm fucking I'm I'd be bonkers to say I I'm the man I know exactly how to just lost in the mall they died they did yes people see you lost your parents I always think I wish I lost them I wish I could just dangerfield hats align with my hat down before the show and I could convince me in you none of these people would come to see me that guy look at that guy with the hat he's not GonNa Laugh he's not going to lie in a laugh look instagram I don't I rarely dig into any feedback unless it's like something directly related to something I posted like here's a picture from and for me it was leaning into the swagger of my father in the scariness I grew up loving guys that I like Jerry Lewis and I knew Jerry I had a close personal art heard that's so funny that people used to be so mean in this world and now Ryan that's right greet time in between the tens of thousands of people to meeting the seventy people I'd probably have like a bit of breakdown I still had will they like me mentality put down as a kid I wasn't picked on it was worse I was ignored which made me wonder why am I not being picked on I felt like ghosted it was really weird and I knew people but you're survivor a lot of ways because you know for a kid to you know what you went through and by the way you lost your parents right that would help if you're paying me give them the money I'm making they black out when they wake up you're like the show was great you loved it sure does he is he the guy from screen is like does he just is you'll oblivious but did any sort of like afterwards like that he wants sort of like appraisal like or even don't hurt me don't hate me and don't treat me how I was treated went by other kids when I was a kid it was a thing of I in by the way not just after the show I could walk it goes that I tell you this Cook Cook Hey speaking of cook why don't you go made me something forever it was awesome man right right I met Ryan at the very beginning did but I was looking at some stuff today on twitter and I was like Oh that's really nice that's really nice looking at this it's going to be looking for apprentice probably was like hey great job but but that's not to say by the way there's a lot of great comedians that have become actors and but then I'm sure we I think a lot of kids do but there's always that from me to make my dad laugh just if I can make laugh it's like he's you know I feel like I'm doing Rodney would you come up here in share a few minutes with us and then I'd say to the crowd do you guys want to see Rodney and they'd go even crazier and then please antibodies crank out these armpit farts and they were killer like the professional ice auditioned for America's funniest videos with my armpits. I thought I win it I didn't even didn't even make the show and I remember my dad's like that's it that's it go to sleep too the tingle in your arm you feel this overwhelming like did you like what I was doing I want I it's almost like the sense of crewless need the self esteem fill me up fill me up fill me up community of all time I obviously just go on and on legend I mean just you know when you say lead like the standing ovation couldn't be quick enough for somebody like him you're like this is the guy he's been Eddie Murphy showed up out of the blue to my movie he came up and he said something really sweet to me on the red carpet why he was there which was really really really wonderful and then I'm really good at doing that stuff at how many people Africa about the trunk right hope they just drink do you ever think oh my God good good crowd a little drunk yeah and he drunk early on in my career Monroe come on up and then he'd come up through the crowd and do as set and when I 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'cause you start to want you realize why hurt people hurt people something happened to him along the way that made you go but now obviously that doesn't make it right for him to project that on you right it doesn't make a right who hurt them it's hard to hold onto anger if you're truly a person who's interested in upgrading in in moving your life so we had a we had a closeness you because they want to be some people just don't know any other way to scavenge and so I'm not saying I'm a person that likes says stabbed me I'm good with it but I am remarkable in the terms of resilience after things that I've had to endure to where I can Kinda roll with a lot of fucking bullshit now a lot of Hooey I'm really good at going like I'll take it keep going 'cause I know this is you I know this isn't me so you can shit on me you can do whatever you want and someday you'll call or someday you'll write and say hurt them but I will fucking tell you the truth if you ask me to tell you the truth and you invite me into your life I'm going to tell you the fucking most truthful truth you've ever heard about yourself because from that you get tools you get tools that you can then implement sometimes into your work just sometimes into something funny funny story or our performance finally owned who I am and I remember that moment I remember how you treated me with with class or with sometimes I'm abrasive but with honesty I'm not gonNA commit somebody just drink do drugs I've never done anything in my life I feel feelings and then I get to put that in Sheridan stories in performance so there's nothing that comes bad from weakness be around because I was Encumbered inside so I didn't I had to go back over the years because I probably didn't always comes in previous interviews I said I felt like I was surviving the Piranhas of Hollywood so well only to find out my brother was the devil we're not just born with like everything's fucking pretty now you know greatest moments in my life are sometimes the things that were the absolute most atrocious but you know I I don't know I'm forty-seven I've started to learn even more and more in life that like everybody is a product of their environment and not everybody is out to get you sometimes in myself or in people around me that I have to cohabitate with what's the when you say atrocious the and you probably don't WanNa talk about this but if you well for me it was putting my brother in jail I'd put my embezzlement yeah so once that happened and I I pick and choose where I talk about it because that's intense and I'll make you laugh to maybe with some I think that's probably where a lot of it comes from Man I mean you gotTa go through some dark shit to get to some funny shit I thank you do what's one thing you will talk about that you're like you know this happened in my life and as bad as it is I learned so much from that and how did you get through it nuts would I change it now zero what I'd change zero everything that I became from that as a person and performer I value treat people fairly because I was mortified I was humiliated by my brother publicly at a time when I was hitting a level of it was a cataclysmic betrayal in my life that almost sent me into a an abyss of depression so sometimes if in forgive me if I was up until the day that that happened in the year to follow of how bad God it capsized me and it made me a person that was very difficult to I saw even more from that experience at in the end it's just his loss the only person who lost his am not because it just jail but he's missing out on superstardom that I should've fucking been enjoying twenty four seven and I couldn't like somebody's just dragging your pulling you down trying to get up I said a couple times isn't that crazy how if I take my friends at the dinner if I treat into whatever if I take him on a trip I don't want you to buy me things I don't you don't need acidy to love you because you like to do a generous thing truly they're wired to resent you because they want to be in that situation they're not looking at you as Lord of in loves me unconditionally that's all we want the problem is we don't realize because I'm I'm I'm a pretty generous person I'm not I'm not frugal those things that like oh I lived through that I studied the the steps the empathy the the anger I allowed myself to kind of sit in it I don't person who's generous they're looking at why do you get to do that and why can't I so we're damned if we do and damned if we don't and we don't know who those people are or maybe we do if we really liked listener are pretty okay do I think we do I think I got a better spidey sense from that whole experience when my brow but okay do you like I just don't want to keep going down this whole but to look at down from the cusp of it for a minute yeah I can tell you that it was like everything that I thought my life do that right all I want you to do is just be good to me be honest with me show me respect that's it just love me and don't talk just I need someone who extraordinarily ride it's amazing when you give so much to someone and be like hey all you have to do is love me the tent back give me back love and that's I've talked about that before said Hey is it okay to listen to sad songs she goes Well how many do you listen to go well you know it's usually the same insight man I look back now faulk I definitely allowed myself sometimes to to be victimized because I wasn't a whole person the hurt can't be worse than when you give everything to someone and just love them and want them to be happy and successful and then you find out there doing this I hadn't done all the work on myself anyway that forced me to that moment of my life Jesus Yeah it's it's amazing to the hurt that you feel there's nothing worse I was sitting by myself and I go oh I know that feeling like I meant I was like yeah my my bones shattered inward yeah zero when I was a little boy used to sit in my attic so much dysfunction around me that I just sit there and play that forty-five say by zero and I didn't know what it meant but I played it something haunted okay that's pretty fucked up right yeah yeah but there is a lower I used to call the lower than the saved by zero I watched deduct I'm I'm not a spendthrift person that likes to take my friends out and all that but we start to unfortunately learn about people is sometimes they don't have the ground zero you can't go any lower than zero so essentially you're save by the ground you can't go lower than you already are supposedly that's what it means talk about a little bit of I talk to my therapist and I go I asked her this question wasn't that long ago this is like two weeks ago ex but they wouldn't let them at that time because that's like drugs the fix So they made a Mad Max okay all right but I also already sticks of St it's called whole crush depth and I said Oh that's me whole crush depth that's when it's too much pressure down to low you shouldn't be there memory about submarines exciting guys you're and there was a term that they described when a submarine goes you know too deep into the five over and over well how many times you over and over I go you know I can listen to you know Suzanne Vegas Luka maybe five or six times in a row and that's not one that I can I always thought it like some I think I originally thought like Kerry voices her opinion yeah voices carry I thought it was voices scary scary infects a stick with S. T. yeah why but it says when you're saved by zero you're saved by the ground for me by the way till Tuesday voices carry Yup do you know weight Hush Hush Down Boys is scary thinks something comforting embracing the sadness as my therapist said Okay and I just played it over and over and I was kind of a sad little boy and a lot of ways so it took me all these years the go-to that's that's that's dark yeah mine's like Saved by zero by the fix maybe some there's another one there's so many of the songs everybody talks I thought it was this guy what's another good one of those voices scare me certainty that I'm yelling in this crazy voice level but you're feeling some truth that I used to feel that from my father as I love that you've been Josh do you know she says this if you really listen hush shut up yeah that makes you cry what's that Rodney was scary I always liked those comics that that could bring flex of something beyond just the joke you know and I think that into saved by say by zero means yes I do I wanna say it say it say googled at once I believe I have of course eight most truthful conversation about how shitty the other one is to each other and I love it I liked the minutia I like Rodney coming in because there was something about Rod Arthur's one of the most underrated movies that scene when when when the Hong Johnson is yeah I cry every time yeah I'll cry every time that has yes just combust my my little reaction when the when the documentarian they call this whole crush depth be in the top ten funniest movies of all time planes trains gets me like that I I'm laughing and then suddenly they're yelling at each other in the Motel Room in its the meanest zero now tell me I don't Wanna well so I have a new album pitch to throw it out there it's called Left by the grounds album and I stole it because the song to listen they're forced you force them to listen without saying fucking listen to me where I'm telling you a story you can listen and enjoy or you can't but that's tough is to you I was so hurt that I would listen to Rem's everybody hurts just over Utah just to be in a better mood let me put on something it's the storyteller in me because I I love joke tellers and I have so much of an affinity for them but I love storytellers more because it's like you can yell at me wouldn't sit here and say no it's harder to be no that's being a one liner now you have to write like three hundred more jokes per ten minute period because you're in a character you could be like yeah my father came in and you're telling this oh he served in Korea used to say his tears could grow crops and then all of a sudden you'd be like we're the fuck were you there yeah my girlfriend's sometimes like you just told a fifteen minute story that I don't I remember the day that that happened but where did you how did you piece all that together and it's just like I mean all of it's hard because regardless of your one liner or physical comic or anything you just have to be interesting here's the difference yeah aw yeah if you leave me now go fuck me up you know whaling Christopher Cross will get anything Christopher Cross home even Arthur's the Arthur's theme storyteller for a long time never honestly never been never been a joke I and I notice that look I remember at the Improv I think we're you know and I just remember you got it seems to me like the one liners at least you can go hey quiet Ryan over there hey how you doing buddy good I got I got this one liner great hit me I'll tell you my you know I went to my talk about the time my mother waxed my back that never happened I'd spit balling here later then one day I looked it up like you did you can remember Google Dix I was just really into it what a say by zero the fix song mean I do also know that the fix they wanted it F- there and you just start going and you tell the story and it's like it's you just go into it's like I'm telling a story and I know you're either in or out and the people were forced whereas Thakore you and I'm really my dad in that moment and I'm really telling me now this is how scary it was and now you're relating on the comedic level the on you the difference okay fucking student of the game I don't know what I'm talking about but I will say this it seems to me like with the seems to me different Formula I need to figure out the four points of a sandbox and once I had the four laughs I then improvise and play in the middle and I just do it on stage that's where I edit that's where I figure it out well because you told me I remember this to you don't write down jokes never know right on that makes you you know if you leave me now by Chicago that would kinda fucked me up tomb dum dum dum to Mall Oh you know is it do you think it's tougher than the one liners the because the stories have to be interesting to have to be fond they have to go somewhere I don't think there's one that's that you could consider you could have if you're in the mood for two thousand of something right and it's just one after another so how e can't really qualify and say story telling go to go up and say hey listen to this fifteen minutes story tell me if it's funny do you go over material with people you just go I'm going to tell the story rifling through everything so hedge Hedberg Hedge Berg Hedge Moore a lot of people do that every everything was liner it was like rice is the kind of snack it just keeps rolling around in there because I know I can go to any point for the laugh if I need it if I need to go to one side and then I just keep playing in that middle part boy that's hard man also probably not a great question answer right well I'm just trying to think of anybody's wrong to me of course they have no the dentist said my teeth are going yellow he said get a brown tie how does that work but with a story you can't we dirty lists working political thesis seeing one word slow it's like it's hard because I truly feel like I grew up as a student of comedy and I could watch anybody from Imo Phillips to Richard Lewis to David talking farted he's he was political he said Shit that to this day makes you go that's the smartest thing in common then it could be a goof he could talk about like when there was a bunch of stuff in their care Carlin Carlin's the guy that probably more than anybody I wanted to emulate because it was like voices intellect runner to Bob Newhart I could name so many people that I didn't necessarily laugh the Michael I wasn't sitting there going this is my thing right but I could appreciate anybody and then I get up there I did I do that jammer as figure it out and I play around the crowd and then my whole system of comedy which it's interesting because every comic has mishit that we all do that's comedy comedy least favorite comedian my least of all time in terms of big big comedian that everybody loved that you're like I just never thought he was funny it can be five minutes of unwanted to or could be ten if I feel I'm feeling it sure I mean you know the the whole system for me is like yeah you're going to get to a laugh there's going to be something in there that's GonNa incite a you know a guffaw but I just think it's more interesting when it's when there's more to it than just one layer of comedy pr everyone's clapping in the grandmother Jewish she comes over and she says he had a hat I lost my Louis I just fucking and anybody who ever starts to pick on comics and comedy I go watch carling you fuck he did everything he yeah yeah and this goes looking at me like it's not funny yes it is you've never had a favorite hat it's more about a half it's more about the hat right it's like the idea you don't write it down never ever never that's isn't that funny once once I see something I've written down I would never perform you ever go on stage you know I'm going to I had an insatiable appetite for all things comedy so I've seen bad comics you know over the years a lot but never a never with a feeling of like who really could put themselves out there judy tuna it wasn't like my style of comedy but I would watch all her stuff just was you know dying rivers uh-huh like I would I did a lot of shows especially near the end of his life with Mitch Hedberg and I love Mitch had I mean you talk in Steven Reid came up in Boston watching so I see that one little glimmer of something I've done comedy camp for so many years the laugh factory tiffany Haddish was in there when she was fourteen and I'm not GonNa take full credit but me in Joan rivers all anybody I just loved Comedians it was only people that I really wanted to watch or listen to on an album or until I feel like I have a well right so you can embellish enjoy tell the story I know that there's the joke right here another joke here this big joke at the end I've got jokes about stuff you like dirty stuff every any physical comedy you know Martin Short had a you know even John Ritter comedic actors and stuff I just Anybody Oh you live your life like a candle in the wind through a little harmony on you did I did I stayed away from I'll let you go but it's but you know what I mean do you do it I hit the dump switch after I record a special album and then I'm a new comic can back to my you know five or

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Ep 108 - Global Domination

The Tiny Meat Gang Podcast

1:06:33 hr | 1 year ago

Ep 108 - Global Domination

"Next year it's the moment you've all been waiting for the tiny meek game. Cody Co Miller are going global. CNBC percents look global domination tour. The boys are back with a brand new show and this time they're taking on the world the UK. Hey Ireland Germany Australia New Zealand and the United States of real. You don't WanNa miss this global event. Get your tickets now. Tiny toward DOT com. WHAT'S UP GUYS WE'RE GONNA team G podcast? This is actually last week's episode. If you want today's episode code that'll be on our patron right now. You can get a week early if you contribute. Its patron dot com slash tiny. Meet Gang so thanks if you do that and if not enjoyed at this one who's a sometimes daddy's slept with the mail lady what. At Iso your parents are getting a divorce. How that let's talk about all right Cindy? Let's practice are vowels today. You've been doing so good in school. I Oh your dad is leaving for another woman. Emma E. I oh you and Sometimes Your Dad's sleeps with his secretary. He's a Dick. And why did your dad make another daughter. I you know I loved you so much I had to make another one. You'll you'll get to meet her in a year a e I o U and sometimes you ruined my life eighty why oh you and why did I have great can I have you know you. You're adopted datum twenty-five. I know my vowels. I'm going bareback today. Yeah this is no headphones no headphones and you know better better week. Five tour both cody and the worst. Yeah they really are the worst dude. I was the war so we have so much that we didn't have. We didn't get to talk about unless episode. I know I remember when we finished already. Finish up on your phone. It's like Oh yeah so there's some shit happens right then or yeah you just see some shit. You're like oh no I remembered detailing some ZANDER's I'm stupid or something like that to get out the way one. We have legitimately fucking massive announcement next week. Oh Yeah Right. Yeah we should add that up from we do have a little eyes peeled so for that is a fucking Mas- this is not. This is literally nothing we've done before. Yeah this is crazy. It's I'm pretty fucking nervous. Yeah Yeah Yeah No. It's it's a great announcement. Yeah it is. I'm very big announcement. fucking huge literally. It's big it's gigantic. Yeah Yeah it's GONNA cover a lot. Awed of surface area is huge big ASS now. No Tuesday it's on Tuesday as onto Sorry Tuesday next week. Didn't specify day is a Tuesday. It's Tuesday now. You said Monday did I. Okay sorry Tuesday Tuesday big ass announcement coming up Be Gas big announcement. Big Fug on. As yes it's referred to term and the second thing is apparently. I told the story story of the drunk girl. Accosting Chris twice you did and when you said it the second time I was like. I think I've heard this well. You know I think it's good just in keeping with the theme that I tell it again so we're at willies and additionally it's it's a really good story to forgive me guys I fucking. I'm going crazy. Provoke going crazy. No okay here. Here's here's something speaking of He. Iou School and all that. I was howling and I mean actually howling at this cliff of this dude in black face teaching like a science class. Some shit he's dressed up like common and he's he's mimicking his like Intel. Ai Commercial but but he just ends up looking like Robert downey junior from tropic thunder. He's like fully like black face to the neck like and is he bald. He's ball okay. Yeah or maybe they're gonNA bald cab I don't know the lighting in that clip is awful. But I couldn't watch it. I opened it up with so I started started like started and I was too awkward. I couldn't watch it because everyone in the class knows that it's fucked up but he somehow thinks that it's okay. I was howling just thinking so many things on my first of what was going through his mind when he was wiping the makeup off. No Tate was over all right that I just feel like no dude. What about what? He was thinking when it was halfway. Okay on you ain't gonNA passes is and he was like yeah. This is still so sick. Walking love to so many steps that that should have inspired him to like think that one br first of all he's teaching like highschool classes start seven. He put it on before work says he like like black face at six in the morning eating breakfast with his wife like driving through traffic in black face just like looking at people like was a a no one lasting common getting into character and no one's like Yo what that's not cool looking it's four. Am you get up extra early to put it on honey. Sorry for to get into costume. She wasn't like maybe don't maybe just don't was. Was it like a Halloween thing or was it. I think it was like teaching a lesson. Who's like I think he's trying to talk about like? Hey I like when you hear him like he doesn't sound like common at all like then you only bring coming up most play the sound. He Bro My fucking God dude. I got to hear this. I was crying laughing like nobody. Like if you got up at four and four four thirty after you stepped out of the shower. You're like it's time looking or do you put it on his desk trying to. Hey Mike Whoa what the fuck. So yeah I'm getting ready for today's his lesson. What's up Mike? What's up God? What are you doing dude? What I'm just? He's halfway just here thinking about it spherical like this very a split completely. Basketball head is just I. Five is black face the other half is still. What's up dude? He only has the front and the neck go back and the top of the head is not done because he can't see back there so the fact that musicians just white and then he turns around and then it's just like what's up up. Hey Mike y'all what's good. Oh what did you hear. Could you do the top of my head. No no you know. I'm not going to black top of your head. You Moron Fucker you asking me. It was like so many points where people could have been like. Is this fucked up. That's what I'm saying do that. That's what had me crying teacher. How do you not no? That's not okay do listen. He sounds like Robert Downey junior but tropic thunder but not doing a good job possibility senseless well millions of people not enough to eat. What will we do with Microsoft technology? The future sure you can do it. UH-HUH GONNA see with a man dude. I think he realizes right at the end. This person is filming filming him. He's like going to a second verse and he's like wait in the end you. Yeah you like you like you like. He's ready to go again. Millions of people they were Justin Trudeau had a damn pro. That's bad that's so bad so many levels to that the so many points John where he could he could have stopped. There's just so many hours before that happened. You know what I'm saying. Yeah you'd probably want to his wife. Babe got really good plan for tomorrow's tomorrow's class kill the kill the Shit we're GonNa fucking love into and then as he's explaining there's like five things where she's like so you're going to wrap to who is a what in black face. All of those. None of it is good. Aw none of that stuff's okay through the half. The half submerged black face is hilarious. Just quarter had like the front and the top of the He can't see but not the back and not the bottom since like one fourth of the Pie. Just just to the eyelids hatso. Good fucking Hell Dude. I was so good I mean my boys back the home or just like crying to say what was he like wiping off the makeup feeling like you know he killed it that or like the did he feel like you know. Girls put on her makeup to go meet a dude and they catch another girl like they can just go home and he's like I'm a slut. I and I can't believe I did that myself. I'm a hole for him. I can't believe it I I did that Komo for common. Oh God we are. We are in State College. Pennsylvania Selena Penn State. Never been here. What's up Penn State? Little the only thing Penn State is was that coach Dusky better. Yeah yeah little. The only thing I know well don't say that onstage tonight okay. Yeah I know I had a pedophile. You'll probably get probably be pretty awkward. Yeah I'm sure appointed this over could use that name. Oh yeah there is I guess you could. You could take out. Take risks comedies. About man taking risks stewed. You're not taking risk if you're not naming pedophile regularly in your set about income and black common black face and rapping about Ai. You're not taking risks. Stop truly taken. That's what he was doing man to push the boundaries of education accolades. Like what I want to push the boundaries of educational. Ah Ah what can you do. Technology is up to you what tropic thunder does getting the lines down and shit. You know you know you are yes I do. I'm a do disguises. A Do plane another tutor. You Dan Robert you nailed that one fucking elden sat out to salt and Straw for stealing dealing our idea. Oh Yeah Right. No that's been that's actually the flavor for like years. Now they've been doing this Turkey so some people reach out and they were like you know. Sandra has a Turkey flavored ice cream that they come out with like every your special flavors feature flavor of Thanksgiving time. It's actually she pretty good but it does actually legit taste like Turkey. That's so gross. Candy Turkey. Skin is disgusting. It's not that bad. It's just a tiny bit. Savory Savory Dude imagining the texture of ice cream tasting poultry is so offputting talking about chicken pudding. Chicken putting why we've got so many comments that people that said they vom through you. Guys got weak stomach. She can ice cream. That makes you fucking throw up up bro to be fair. I think I think my stomach's imbalanced I can watch someone like Dai on lively and I could be like. Oh man I feel a little something but like chicken ice cream. Yeah that makes my stomach actually by the way now that I'm saying that I realized I actually think it was from the Poopie Greg thing. Yeah we throw up by the way his name is naked Martin is a UK icon. Apparently is he got naked Martin. Z. It'll be Greg Greg. Same thing arguably arguably the same thing but yet chicken pudding nonsense new shit show everyone who says that a picture of that chocolate dipped wings with sprinkles on eh actually looked good. It's a funny the way that happens in the Internet fucking sucks. You can't say anything without someone being like at that exists that exists like literally chicken wings as chocolate chicken wings with sprinkles on them. The that was posted. The day are episode when life. That should be. That should did not. There should be a joke. You know saying yeah. That's no one should know the no one should be like. Oh yeah there's chocolate chicken wings blog being like these look delicious and fuck you know. They don't run in our fucking joke thinking it real fuck fuck you trying to make us seem like we're fucking simpleton. Yeah exactly Oh you joke. But that's real real. Suck my Dick you you made it real justice. The sound cool. Yeah now actually chocolate chicken wings. It's a Brooklyn Line every day around the corner. Oh I got him. Does my brain just went to like four things first off common. Ai black-faced teacher feature going to get as chocolate chicken wings. Staying just favorite chocolate chicken wings. It's a big big mash. Up of bits organ Duggan the ultimate just that dude dress common for the chocolate chicken wings and Brooklyn. Yeah what the technology is up to you. This motherfucker homeless. What is he doing here? I'm Gay I don't you get it. I'm fucking gay. Gay Sat out to our boy. Wyatt he's our lighting guy. He's a he's a proud gay man He actually got his blessing to tell this story. Because this is the funniest shit so we're talking of a haunted houses and we missed the funniest part of all right. So we're going through one of these haunted houses and one of the sections of the haunted house was How would you describe it? It was like two inflatable things on both sides to giant airbags inflated down a whole hallway that were touchy. How'd you like inflated so much that it was touching each other so you have to? You have to just like just Jimmy yourself through this shit. Yeah basically just really claustrophobic. Yeah so this like they they use the same shit at another one where it was like. It was waist high and like it looked like a bed of like fucking limbs and shit knew that that was cool. And there's a dude like laying in it like trying trying to scare you If like walk past in like it amps it up a little bit. Somebody GonNa grow feet with the folks going on here. This one was like like seven eight feet. High like immersed in this shit. Yeah and it's going on for way too long away too long a long enough for me to realize that hundreds of people have passed through it so that part actually he made me gag. And I'm like dude so many people have just like like does been through this. I just imagining rubbing germs of like salad people. Yeah Yeah Yeah so we're going through it and it's like uncomfortable and I'm like I like this fucking nasty and the white goes. Yeah this is what I what I imagine. Pussy is life and we were joking. That the scariest thing for the haunted house for why it was having to go through pushing get outside. We're all scared of something else and why it's like as a gay man the vagina part scared me. This is what I imagined pussy. You feel like yeah. It does feel like this when I submerge entire body vagina walking through pussy. I think he was more of the fact sharing it with a bunch. You guys want you guys have been through here before you'll Wyatt is opened our eyes to a lot of things he's showing us. How grinder works grinder is the most dude APP should is raise young? Could not believe it. That shit is like the shit as advanced. Yeah you can filter filter by anything fucked up fucked. But it's like dude. It's it's like it's dude shit whore. Yeah you bet you Braga Africa point that night it's like straight dating is like what you wanna be perceived as and like gay dudes was like no. It's like though hard numbers. Yeah Yeah exactly. Yeah this tall this weight when I can fuck where I'm at exactly. It's like a big list dated stray. Dating is like is like yeah you take someone out and you just you just act act like Oh yeah. I read a lot of books and it's like who you want to be seen dating just like no. It's just hard. I'm just going to be honest. This isn't exactly who I I. Five nine hundred faulk right now. Then let's do it if not there's plenty of other people within a mile of here that are down to fuck you ever. You ever wanted to give a guy five nine three twenty a blowjob. No that's fine. One hundred people waiting for me that are down to doing. I was like joking with Wyatt at like gate like grinder is like like I imagine like why it's Em's are like what people wish there. DM's looked looked like yeah just hundreds of people being like fuck fuck with fuck. Let's go down down movie down sitting beside you in this coffee shop right now. You down like we bombed the bathroom. Quick Handy come out already down like a regular gay dude probably get as many DMZ rapper. Probably the baby's inbox looks exactly the same because it was killing me. The regular game in gets as much as like someone like a famous person who works so hard like to be at that level they check it out. Refreshing washing is every time the timers one second on every single one of them. Yeah Man. It's like this all day. This fuck one fuck one and five hundred. You're hot you're hot you're hot. You're hi it's like all the all day -Vivor feel a little bit down so we're GONNA EH seven hundred People WanNa fuck me. That's that's that's nice. That's Nice I don't need any reassurance. Today categories are crazy like how they categorize his Twang tweaks yeah. Twin otters bears. Yeah Leather Leather. That's just leathers and Bro. The coldest oldest one is discrete. What is that a dislike? I assume like gay yesterday in the closet Discreet that's like fucking Ashley Madison. Try to make the whole business out of that category. And that's just a feature of grinder. Yeah Yeah it's just a little just on a on a selection wheel screen great. Yeah we'll still fuck. No one's judging literally twin tweet links just thinking swanks talks. Yeah like what if they are like the main category. In the subcategory Gamer winks Goings Gaming Syndicate winks gaming gaming tweets skinny men who could be could pass game. Yeah Skinny gamers passes gay. WH- going grassing going going passing. The game was a category on Grindr. So funny I god. And that's literally the only non sexual category. That's the only replace that has like every kind of person grinder for Gamers. Do you need to find someone to grind with ammos. Mo's counterstrike for night. We got all kinds here. GRINDER DOT COM. I always thought like I forgot who use the word. Gay Do my first job and like we got some discussion because our senior front endo like he grinder like offered him crazy money to work there. Okay and like in the late must make faulk ton of money. That's also another thing I noticed. Is that like the one of the like upscale menus popped up or whatever yeah and it was like the options for like account status was crazy like four bucks a month for like you know I. It was something like crazy like unlimited. Em's and all the like the shit you want the Mo like it's all thought out the shit you'd want the most and like up so mechanics canucks were like crazy specific thought out. Yeah they must bank. It was telling me like you can spin up to like two hundred a year on that APP or like like more like a is is i. I don't know I think the number was higher. Yeah Dude so boy. I'm not gonNA say his name but he said that in the interview he's like I don't know if this was legal eagle but in the interview whoever's interview kind of like made a statement it was vague basically said like look like we get it like if you're you're not comfortable you know what I'm saying like or like if you're afraid of how like working here will like affect like your social like image like in your own circle you know 'cause they they're basically acknowledging that he's straight okay And like the guy was like but you know we we try to compensate for that and then my like he said in the interview. Just the statement kind of escaped him and then he got the offer he was like. Oh Fuck Oh really. The only reason he didn't take it was the drive holy Shit but he was like dude he was like that number was insane. Really Yeah like front end like it wasn't even like a senior roles like front end like Web Dev type work and they were like are they. Independently owned by one of the big dating. I don't know or more. I WANNA say they sold but maybe not Google it real quick because dude. He said that they offered him. Like 'cause you know like front end web. There's kind of a cap on that crunch base but he basically flee he got like a senior IOS salary offer to have to do fuck in front end web acquired conlon them Kuhn soon acquired by. Come Damn how much was acquired. Portland's probably a fuck load of money. They probably banks so much money to render. Primates Shit Low in China is a Chinese company. I see you know it makes a ton of dollars Damn Dude. They acquired a sixty percent percents stake in two thousand sixteen for one hundred million bucks especially now that much. No but I mean in hundred mil get out. I'll take one hundred MIL. Yeah totally. That's crazy yeah so I just feel like dating. APPS are so sticky women. They're just like sticky. It's like the retention is super fucking high at least like for people that use them a lot. Yeah I've like it's like one. Tinder came out with the with the modernization. Shit I was like Oh this is not gonna work at all and then like everyone. I knew that was on tinder. was like buying the fucking premium shit. So they could super like all that shit. Yeah Yeah I don't man I've never used one little never used news one doesn't mean you're not missing much honestly not really. There's some people that like power use those apps. Yeah but I I mean I never even went on one date when I was on tender down. Yeah so crazy what are we have. We get doc saying that. What say that anymore? Well no I just want you know. Yeah I WANNA make sure you get some noten. We'll just you know he got some jokes. Yeah I just WanNa make sure you got some jokes exactly is hot as fuck in this room. Open up that door so fucking highs down of the door. Oh aw real quick. Sorry Gang so tomorrow's last last show. Oh Yeah Yeah. Tomorrow's the last one and then Friday and then I'm going to New York on Saturday for I real bros.. Panels of your New York WanNa come see. I don't know if it's tickets available or not but just search New York comedy festival rose panel. If you WANNA see me Jimmy Christian Shen Nick's going to be there and colleen from the show we're going to be doing a panel in New York. I just about real rose and like making the show guess my nerves. It'd be fun killing me. Sorry yeah no that should come see that you You got to you got to go there and just like like one up everybody and just method act the whole thing. Well the guy. Today's conference call and the guy was like because like yeah. I don't know if you guys she'll he'll comfortable like maybe coming on stage like in character and Jimmy was like I'm GonNa Nick Sat right now. Goes Okay cool cool. I figured I figured maybe that wouldn't be cool so yeah that's all good high as director. That's not yeah. Yeah no totally totally. How would that even work? You guys aren't dressed. You don't have the wardrobe. I add on Raucous Raucous snapback backwards and answering questions in a Dushi way. I guess which is what I'm going to do anyway. So pretty much has me to be me out in character. Jimmy and a full suit trying to Zander with a little all bad you lidove and Sarah. Everyone's like you guys got the door open during the recordings wordings cool. Yeah no it's fine. That's how that's helping a lot though that. AC flown in here that's how dialed in. Our people are men with everybody. I'm sorry I'm I'm getting sentimental again. Appreciate build in the team is man. Chris is working and he just comes over here. He's like you want this account count yet keep that does is give those beady little is peeled for our announcement on Tuesday. Oh Yeah Yeah. The curse was working on something that blow your small minds. JEEZ calling everybody small brained Damn what that's mean to. You can't say that he meant you're joking Guinot Mastaba calling them. Losers People's kidding people said I got triggered because I heard the word loser and everyone was bullied. You know oh no. They didn't get bullied. You bullied ever was okay. I was a cool guy. Now I call people losers. Yeah I was a jock totally jog. Yeah I was dude yeah diver. I was a big time jock while Crown High School Mosquito on shelf my package. Yeah Jock I was a big time job bald headed with Tall White T.'s. And Timbers a huge huge chalk doc bro what else Hold on there was so much as speaking earlier talking about the E. 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Literally every thought of hers is interrupted the Kid and everything like nothing is simple when having a kid especially by yourself. Jesus Yeah and one guy. Had you know the most helpful read it comment. I think I've ever read. Because his Lena. Some people are meant to be parents. It's like no no no motherfucker. No one is meant to take care of a kid by themselves. You Dumb Dick. You wouldn't fuck and be able to handle that. Yeah we talking about anyone no one would fucking fold under the pressure. Did A kid by yourself. You're like twenty one's helping you. You don't fuck you're doing. Yeah fuck off in. Yeah yeah that's true. Don't there are some people though that have twenty kids that just do it somehow. Yeah but like some people would fucking love being parents. Yeah I guess I guess what she hates kids like if you just hate kids people hate him you know. I read their post and it made me wonder how I feel about. Oh kids it made me want to have a child. That's actually plans for twenty twenty goals. I don't know any year's resolutions. You have a baby. Yeah I'M GONNA lose weight. I think I'm going to speak up more in meetings. I have a kid about a kid at least one. Yeah now my shoe for two or five or as many kids as I can't twenty twenty. That's really the goal is I want to get as many kids as possible. If we can get all one goal elving six out of there and I love that I told you about my buddies Mike good friends friend who him and his wife decided they wanNA. I have kids and he was like you know takes us a year to conceive on average. Yeah okay I got a year left of being like a single or not single but like you know not having a child like you're my life where I can just fuck off and play video games much. I WanNa take advantage of that. Superstock year they conceived. When the first week the twins twins? He went from having no kids to having to nine months from when they wanted to have. I want to advocate. What he's like? Damn so. 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She sleeps with some guy she gets pregnant for the first episode actually and she liked meets up with them and she's like I'm I'm pregnant and he's like to him she's like yeah. You know you don't have to be involved if you don't want he's a great thanks. And then that was that and I was like Cheeses Fox News instantly. Yeah thank you. That's a huge weight off. My shoulders shows that they have so much touch. Yeah hit me up. Yeah do because because eighteen best man professional hit here eighteen that pitcher texting. I'm like I'm I'm pregnant and he's like Bra. Aw Cap exactly. They'll fucking CAV. You're pregnant your life forty Lillo you know how to fuck you pregnant Bra you know. I'm pregnant okay boomer AH I'm pregnant. Spongebob me okay. boomer Michael I have Just a picture of like a Shitty Selfie he from pragman Michael has staged three cancer. Okay boomer okay. Could bloomer get more cancer boomer. Pregnant just goes. All of his friends runs law on my dad that I'm a dad. Brahma Dad Bro Dialogue but that FARC law. Ll Yoga may take talks together. Oil Dude yes. It's gone so sick. Elma feel Mike. You would get a cougar. You're pregnant That's so you Mike. All My car reminds me. Like one of my favorite fucking tweets ever. who wasn't the tweeted? This probably a car the Jepson or something he carly Rae. Yeah it was like it was a group chat. Oh my God what was it. I'm going to butcher it. I'm not going to read it. Because Maga's behind rehearsed said because recited. I mean no bro Though the owner bring bring up and we want to bring some but I have to talk about this. Let actually you you said you WanNa say something a second ago and I'll look okay good whilst I was so mad told me to watch this fucking fucking episode of the roadsters podcast. Joe Rogue and I'll dip into some rogue stir you know every now and then all again we'll watch some some rogue Jamie and he had this he didn't episode with Thomas. Aguirre Bert Kreischer. An Irish are Schaefer. Our Fear Ari Shapiro Shaffer and so they do. This shit called sober October. Whatever and I guess like in the final week or whatever Ari in burt? We're going to a podcast. And so he came over to birds house and spiked his drink with molly And they did the podcast and he starts like rolling halfway and he didn't know oh he fucking no. He's leaving next day on tour. Yeah he's leaving on toward the last night that he gets fouled like K- kids kids rolling on malling any Ghana plane. You still rolling like fucking feel dumb shit the next day when he had shows and Shit like that room talking about this on a podcast and they're like I right like they were mad but at the same time it was like dude. If someone's fucking drugged me. One of my friends would just disown that per never talk to them again right right yeah dynamic. I mean they might be forgiving of that. 'cause it's Arias Cruz. It was really really uncomfortable. Watch if you WANNA watch like a really uncomfortable twenty minutes on a podcast but also very interesting goes look the clip of that. It's Fox Dude. It's fucked. I still haven't watched that full thing. I I need to Thing I wanNA talk about this shit. This cliff is crazy. This dude is his name is Steven mcdaniel. Okay and he murdered murdered a fellow Like colleague of his law school guarded one of his colleagues but he finds out they found on the body on television during an interview. They're interviewing him asking him about what happened to her and he just keep saying he's like no one knows I mean some people thought maybe she went running and she got picked up but we have no idea what happened. We we just have no idea. And then the The reporter says something to the effect of like. It's so how do you do you guys have any comments you know. Now they've they found the body in the parking lot and he was like the they found a body. She's like yeah the it's not confirmed but they found a body in in the parking lot just like over wherever they specify. And he's like I think I need to sit down and he like sits down and he's like he's like you could tell like he's gonna Vomit 'cause like yeah. He's talked he did it. He did it he finally. When was this In twenty one. When was this Twenty eleven okay his old. Yeah okay can I see this clip. I mean yes. Yeah as long as ill out is why play. Yeah it's like fucking three minutes long just fast forward the good news to the good shit. I can't even talk dude. I'm like a UH nunciature. Any words flied Bro. I slept like ten hours last night. I'm saying chillan I don't eleven minutes. It happens somewhere in here. So why did he kill her. So that and it's like proactive needed a pimple on your face boo what what the what the fuck that does won't play. Okay well good else. Von fucking whatever's okay. Dude he so he was basically stalking her okay. He had like this Webcam the he would put on like a like a Selfie. Stick good yeah I would put it up to her window. Oh good to get a feel of when she was coming home. Yeah Yeah Yeah. And then he puts it together that she's home alone. One night breaks in their strangles her and then dismembers her body to multiple pieces storming. Yeah yeah good serving a life sentence well as you should be should be. Yeah fucking unfortunate to him. That sick as faulk dude. It literally sake. Yeah fuck off sick when when you're fucking holding holding up a selfish it's no part of your brain that's like where where are we. Definitely that guy done. No what are we doing do they show his. There's a there's a recording of his like I don't know if you call it his deposition but like basically after they take it they take him in and doing the classic fuck were yeah and and he is so cold about it. He's just kind of like yes no yes. He's just not devoid of empathy. Staring the guy in the eyes. Jesus Christ yeah and then the theory was that he would have gone on to be like one of those like Ted Bundy type motherfuckers. Really if he wasn't caught. Jesus Christ. Yeah well that's good. Sorry just really really killed the VIBE with Alan. Sorry the vibe yeah five check. That's says my fucking this is. I don't know dismembered the vibe there I stephen mcdaniel attract down to five in. Just cut it into a million pieces. Do just fucking Ted Bundy the vibe dude. What the Fuck Dude? What is your problem Ted? Bundy of is is lives right now. Dude follow every vibe you pull up and you just fucking sever dash it into a million pieces and then you get off food. What walk is your problem Bro? Yeah Jesus fucking Jack The ripper Boondi. y'All got to US ed. You're in college. You guys are telling people that show and they fucked vibe. You're like that Ted Bundy of its pro. What the fuck is wrong with? You did every fucking vibe dude. You just gotta get your murdering the VIBE. You're literally stabbing it and cutting into a million pieces and putting in trash trash bags and then putting it in vats of acid that are stored in the forest. He's you're the fucking ice man of vibes. Dude Walk off you've been rotting in prison vibe. Killer does should be some stupid Morgan as you'd be like the next season of was that Netflix. Show where they parody fucking. Yeah like American vandal. The American that's so stick Salaam Dude so you know you gotTa Watch watchman you gotTa Watch. That's that shit new shown. Hbo It was three o'clock. And you know just like I was getting ready for the party that night and I don't know off he's still on that Awesome fell weird that day. But I couldn't put my finger on what. Yeah like me and the girls are just like you know. You're just like getting like some looking. You know black market for Loco. We like had a plug who I found like a distributor like they like some cans lying around like dough and like we bought up like ten cans. Because we're like we're GONNA get fucked up like our dads like drank shading got fucking kill off. Its let's go and so yeah like we just picked up those cans and like we didn't really think anything was a problem. We knew we knew. Trevor was is I kind of weird but like we're like whatever it'll be fine so we we got him a Cantu and then once we got to the party things were just weird. How do you feel now knowing that? They've found vibe outside in the parking lot. There's a vibe in the parking lot yeah they just found in the trunk her car in a parking lot two miles away one. What kind of I was it? It was they. It was like a kickback vibe. Nothing too crazy mostly. Just yeah some people hanging out but it was getting pretty fun Yanni four Loko kind of fucked up right now. Yeah and that was in an interview with Chad Chad. Benson Chad trailers vibe killer of the Twentieth Century Chad Ran Multiple Mark and multi level marketing schemes in which he would try to a goad clubs into giving him full control and and wherein he would try to outsource ticket sales to other college students. Chad was notorious for Spinning of various club. Events featuring artists like riffraff. Jeff and Travis Scott who would later be discovered as never part of the bill and they would just be his roommates dressed up as either riffraff or Travis Scott universally known as a massive vibe killing across college campuses. WHO's that DOC? Id fucking Ted Bundy of vibes dude. Alcatel brought that random fucking. Who is now? We know that kid awful. I wonder if that kitten in fucking college station every found out that we were roasting them on stage. We're not going to say his name. Fuck that kid but yeah did you find out. I don't think so on think the EGO. I think that you could go to thick penetrate. Yeah that's the Ted Bundy of is right there. Yeah seriously precisely fucking as the charisma of a fucking car salesman God damn. Those guys are pretty charismatic. Sometimes sometimes they can be they can be no but you gotTA watch watchman. No I want one of those shows where I'm three episodes in three hour long episodes. I still have no idea what the fuck is happening. And don't shot cool so I'm just down to watch it yet. Whatever the cool shit happens that it doesn't I don't know what it means? Yeah I fucked with it. Whatever this is and then I go back on I go read and read the discussion thread? Not that I go and read it and re discussion threads but do that after the episode and I still still makes nothing people like Dr Man. That's Dr Manhattan has gotta be you know I read. I read the fucking book to then I read the watchman book and I watched the movie still lost. I'm Tom so you're just a big idiot is what you're saying I am So big fucking shit sucks. I'm adult doled ill I say we we get into this man. The the everyone's favourite part of the podcast. What were we talking about combat sports? Okay Yeah right because we got actually watched the fight so we can actually talk about that but we also have a super fight this weekend. Paul Chaos I. Ah Yeah yeah super fight so I didn't realize it's fucking staple center and the tickets. Were selling like dog shit. They're not really is so when fucking I saw that Kim Star tweet or whatever I wasn't actually 'cause he posted a screen shot of like ticketmaster of the seat map and the way they do it is like it's grey or it's it's blue if there's if there's like tickets available there's tickets beside each other available still. That's how they do it. So what you look at it from a bird's eye view it seems like there's not many tickets but if you drill in if you actually click the sections a lot of those tickets are sold okay. It's probably like a couple thousand early one thousand tickets that like haven't been sold yet which won't feel like a lot in the grand is ten thousand cap or something like that stables twenty two is it has massive Ernest Google. It might be over. I just can't believe that they can move that many tickets. I can kiss shit about that shit anymore like even Um I don't know they. They have a they have a die. Hard Fan base so the you know to ours. That's probably what people think when they look at us. Did those fucking idiots can tour. Yeah that's true fucking morons. He's a fuck. Yeah because for T. and G. fucking tiny. What gang fuck those guys? I'm definitely gotTA watch it now. I'm going to watch it. Yeah Yeah that's what I'm saying is like no. I feel like that type of an attracts people who don't give a shit dude fucking so so people we know they're like they're flying got airbnb. They got front row tickets. Like they're gassed about it. Who fucking wow okay? Yeah I wanted I. I don't want to dock. Nobody no no. It's fine I just I mean I guess if you make it like a thing and you make an. It's just the problem is it's like people will tune tune in to watch those to get their ass be that dance. It's not gonNa be good though. That's the thing like a fucking last night. Yeah it was it was a mess. Trust fucking by watching but I think that's the thing is it has his appeal. It's like you WANNA watch it to hate it. Yeah yeah you know it's going to be bad you know it's going to be dog shit and like but everyone is buying a ticket they WANNA go on the fucking chance dude. Somebody gets knocked out. Yeah I mean we're talking about it so yes I'm saying you will care. Servewell can get care but I cared and I don't care what you know and I can just like don't care that's the La Shit you've ever said I care an adult care way Like I definitely want to see what happens. So here's the thing I guess I do care dammit. Oh that's that sounds straight through awesome fucking yeah I I really wonder which fucking. Jj Strategy is going to be. He needs to cover up up. Yeah because now that is no headgear and it's smaller gloves. But and what is GONNA get knocked out. Jj's got some hands. Dude is knocked out his training partners. Yeah clapped them really you know. And and you know Logan's a athletes not that he's not strong. Be I really question. What is Cardio's actually like you know like that's the that I said the same shit last time I'll say it again? A say at every single time is the Moseley basic observation about fighting writing in general. But as you can train you can have all that fucking Ahmadou this. I'm a do that but like when you step in there it's like your body like either at it has like the fucking response. That's like I'm gonNA murder this motherfucker or it's not. Yeah and that is such a massive difference that is the difference of like. That's that's what makes nate Diaz and whore Mazda doll. So let's what makes them great fighter. Yeah they have that fucking switch where they buy down. Nate nate is took five knockout l.. Shots that fight and he's got right back up and was like what's up. Dog Slap Unit fucking face full. That fight was awesome whore. Hey is in move in Sane Forum Dude. That guy is a monster. Yeah it might you know. I'm glad he moved up. You know I don't I I. I've watched him fight for so so long it's such a blur to me like what weight classes he's been at ago. He used to fight at one fifty five and he moved up to one seventy and since then he's had to insane knockouts Also it's because he so. I told you a story right. Maybe his career was kind of like you know when a couple lose one. Yeah when one lose one it was just kinda kind of like it. It's not that he wasn't bad. It was just like you know. Sometimes you lose on points or get solved and you know a lot of it was he. He used to it thing paraphrasing but you know I believe he said in the past he used to worry a lot about his cardio and he would like maybe lose some fights on scoring because he wouldn't open up because he would be afraid that if he we let his ass ozone gas himself now who's a fight and an unintentionally he just ended up doing that himself himself so He he agreed to do some reality. Show and like South America or something Latin America as his Latin America and he Part of the reality show was him going into the woods and just like disconnecting from everything and he like he said like he did that and he had like just some some like life epiphany and like the way phrase that he's like Made me realize got to come back. And I got baptized these fools else. That's how he says it and says he's come back. He's knocked out Darren till he need fucking Ben Aspirin in the head heart as faulk and he had a pretty. Here's the thing Nate Diaz fans. I respect them. I love nate. I love the Diaz brothers. Everyone believes that in those fourth and Fifth Rounds Shit was GONNA turn around. I think Dick could have one. Maybe those two rounds if he Got Back to like his regular. You know Sort of pace in those rounds said like all I was hurt so I You know I was waiting for those fourth and fifth round really get busy. But like his fourth and fifth rounds he always. He hasn't won all of them. Like when you look at those flights where he's gone the distance he doesn't his one. Those around yeah. You know the thing that the thing I saw was that nate usually dictates the pace. He's in your face. He slapping you is doing that. Shit fifteen twenty minutes in a row. That's what breaks fighters down. That's why fighters like they get scared of him but you saw whore. Hey manding the whole whole thing that whole thing you know we really was. You saw when like I got a couple of won. Two's in an in his laughs yellow Hor hey like like he like tied him up in the clinch. She looked at the camera and he started blowing kisses to the camera you use. It was solid in their his fucking dude his left hand. Yeah goes yeah it comes so fast I and far yeah long yeah. Bow Reaching fucking. Yeah that picture he posted. Yeah Dude in that first round when he dropped said Nick earlier say nate when he dropped nate in that first. Forty five seconds. It's over. I thought it was done. So what like. I'm really interested in unlike the economics of fighting like. Yeah so like. Is this going to basically make like this. was the most highs exposure fight that Moscow Paul has had thus far I think so. Yeah this is probably GonNa what double his fucking worth. He already made a Shitload of money. Release talking about going into it. He was like he's like other fighters are going to see what I make and fucking lose their shit on this fighter in that fight really but if they run a trilogy out of this thing really a damn retire I mean how much how much do you think he made off has one fight. I don't know the hard numbers. Let me look at it but I'm an adventure. I'll say like Conor McGregor numbers. What is that like over a million? Yeah Oh really yeah. Well thank you at least twenty Mil because it was such a my nate Diaz must made a bunch to made his name alone is what drives all fucking pay per view. Yeah but We gotta go check. Did a shit and we gotta start this shit at five. So it's like I know damn fucking dammit the time warden again but let me just look at the earnings. Just look at the earnings. What the fuck what the fuck will devote the fuck long? So he got paid made five hundred twenty K.. For the fight with the as so five hundred K. to show and then you got a twenty k. incentive but it's the fucking pay per view royalties as probably made them. Maybe not twenty Mil. That's fucking boxing numbers. But Healy's made million damn half a mil just to show up. Just show up openly and loser win at so sick but it takes forever to get to that point a massive card for that type of winning so Razi or how about the fucking undercard due to kick the guy in the fake heavenly was extremely surprising because Kevin Lee his last four fights. He's not in a good light good place really. He needed that win. Bad and that was a fucking oh little brutal has hurts watching that shit dude. That dude was sleeping mid air. He he got talked in. Yeah thank lucky. The net was there. Yeah yes slam down again Cottam. Yup caught him. A buddy was walked from that one. Yeah nuts so anyways guys we had to soundcheck sorry talk about fighting for another forty five minutes. I'm not not allowed Team G. 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The Invention Of Paper Money

The Indicator from Planet Money

09:37 min | 11 months ago

The Invention Of Paper Money

"N. P. R.. I. Your back was doing other show. Did you bring? Proud. I'm coming. DC Hi Jacob. How're you. Guys. Do. Jacob last week, you came to us with this great story about money from your book money trail made up thing and this week you're bringing us another one. So Big One. Invention of paper money that is huge and you promised props. I got props Oh. This is good. I'm very excited it's the indicator plant money I'm Jacob Goldstein. Banishment did he on the show? Yes, and also it's the story of of this sort of fundamental economic miracle of an entire society starting to rise out of poverty of almost everybody becoming better off. And then it. Kinda. Gets worse all go south. Support for this podcast and the following message come from each raid trading isn't for everyone but each rate is whether it's saving for a rainy day or your retirement. Each rate has you covered they can help you check financial goals off your list and with a team of professionals giving you support when you need it, you can be confident that your money is working hard for you get more than just trading with each raid to get started visit trae dot com slash podcast for more information each rate securities. Member Finra SIPC. So our story is set in China around the thousand eight hundred people in Asia and Europe have been using metal coins for more than a thousand years. By this point in Europe and the Middle East they're using silver and gold for coins. Most of China they're using bronze and the basically it works is this the value of the coin is based on the value of the metal in the Coin. So for example, a gold coin is worth more than a silver coin of the same size because gold is worth more than silver big moment our big breakthrough in the history of the money comes in a province where they're using a not gold or silver or bronze coins but coins made from iron since so hard core core. Well, one of my a beer with iron actually terrible coins. Because iron is not worth much right. So we're in this world as you described of like the value of the coin is the value metal iron isn't worth much. So you need a lot of iron coins to buy anything you need to buy a pound of salt you need a pound and a half of iron coins. So. Okay. So it's this province called each one where they're using iron coins and around thousand ad some merchant. We don't know who has this idea he says, okay. You can store your iron coins with me and I'll give you a paper receipt and exchange for the coins Jacobson. Let's say you are a merchant you WANNA store I decided to give you thousand iron coins I give you just one piece of paper and the piece of paper says anybody who has this piece of paper can come into my shop and I will give them a thousand coins. It's like I'm. Giving you a coach ticket but instead of a coat, it's for a giant string of iron coins and so if I want to buy something from someone else that is for one thousand iron coins. Let's say instead of giving them a thousand actual iron coins, I could give them this coach to get that. You gave me. So now this piece of paper is becoming money. This is the thing is happening. It's happening and it's a good idea. It spreads to other merchants spreads around the province, the government, the local government takes it over and then it spreads to all of China. So none of the earliest actual pieces of paper survived, but there isn't this metal printing plate from this area you know from a thousand years ago or so they need the money for right that they used to print the money and so here I got a reproduction of that that I'm going to give you. Oh. This is cool. It's like it looks like a woodblock almost I guess it's at a metal though. There's a like a little flower design and then they're just a whole bunch of Chinese character. It's mostly characters writing right and so. I have the translation. Okay. By imperial decree criminals do counterfeit this money are to be punished by beheading. Okay. Wow. There's a reward If you turn someone in for counterfeiting you're going to get a reward if you help somebody who is counterfeiting you're toast. This is like a long. Death. threat. Yes the first paper money is basically a warning saying don't counterfeit paper what you're thinking. Actors make us myself don't need to think about it. Also fun fact this plate that's like the first paper money we know. Yeah probably counterfeit. Counterfeit really well, you know the arguing a little over the top in the threats, right? Do you think the paper money dot protests too much. So there was clearly counterfeiting from the beginning basically but despite that fact paper money worked, it was like a huge success in China there was no motorised transportation. So moving around big piles of metal was really costly, right? So paper money is a new technology, right? It's an efficiency game. Yeah that makes it much easier to buy and sell stuff especially at a distance, and so once paper money comes in, you see trade increasing and people are buying more stuff across greater distances just because it's so much easier to bring money with them, and that makes it easier for people to specialize right. You have a bigger market essentially. So you see some people they start fish hatcheries to grow fish and. Other people start orchards of mulberry trees and they have silkworms to eat the leaves and make silk, and then use the bark to make paper and you see other technology starting to emerge. At this time you see a movable type of the magnetic compass farmers are getting better at growing rice, and so it's this real flourishing cities are growing right. It's easier to have cities when you have more trade the southern capital in China has a million people, which is like ten times. What you know is in London or Paris at this time, there's a restaurant scene this moment like. People in China start to get richer. So this is kind of spurred on by the just the fact it's so much easier to you spend money to trade. That's that's definitely part of it I mean there is this broader thing going on like paper money is making it easier to trade. Also, the government is just more open to trade and markets and exchange. Also, there's these technological improvements and there are all kinds of feeding into each other to create this this great economic moment. And then the Mongols show up a Mongols gap the Mongols conquered China. This is the twelve hundreds. Now, paper money has been around for a few hundred years at this point and the Mongols love paper money I mean they were like always on horses right horses going all the way across Asia Yeah you WanNa be light you WanNa stay loose and when Kubla Khan he's. He's the grandson of Genghis Xanadu. Yes really. Yes. Con He takes the next step with paper money. He says. This is no longer a receipt an Iou that you can turn in for you know metal coins he says now. Paper money is just paper he kind of goes off the gold standard. Lebron's. Standard. was mostly bronze and maybe surprisingly I don't know it worked. Yeah. I mean I guess if Kouba cons like this is real money or I'll kill you like guess I'd spend it. That was definitely part also though I mean I think part of it was they had been using paper money in China for a few hundred years by this point and I think people realized by this point that if the government has its act together and people believe that paper is money, then paper can be money. I mean that's essentially the story today right and so it's reasonable that it was the story there seems like this is the end of the story. All is well happy ending. But it is not the end of the story. It's not no, there's a rebellion. The Mongols are driven out and the new rulers the Ming. Dynasty. They to go back they go back in time to this idealized. Past when instead of relying on trade and money and specialization, China was made up of agricultural villages that were largely self sufficient and eventually the Ming rulers succeed China does in a Lotta ways go back. After, a bunch of inflation when paper money becomes worth less and less, the rulers even give up on paper money altogether. So it's backed Lebron's coin yet back to bronze coins sometimes just lumps of silver people in China who had been getting richer are now getting poorer like generation after generation and China won't really get back on track economically for hundreds of years. This is an interesting story because they feel like the story we often have of progress and economies is just growth like maybe there's a setback like a little short I'm like a recession, but it's like growth growth growth. What Direction your going? Yeah and it's interesting that like. This can go backwards. Yes. A lot backwards. Can find this story and more like it and Jacobs new book money three-story of a made up thing. Episode of the indicator is produced by Darren Woods and Jamila huxtable was fact checked by Sean Saldana the indicator is edited by Patty Hirsch and is a production of NPR.

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Martin Scorsese, 'The Irishman'

Popcorn with Peter Travers

27:04 min | 1 year ago

Martin Scorsese, 'The Irishman'

"Hi everybody. This is Peter. Travers offers at popcorn here to tell you what's happening at the movies and the big happening right now is Martin. Scorsese's the Irishman which to me is the best movie that you can see out out there this year and so it's my pleasure to sit here and talk with the man himself. Mr Martin Scorsese. We've taken a field trip. We've come to your screening room tasers. I've seen so many films. Yes and it's always a treat. It's here where you show all the marvel films. Yes yes. I'm getting a bigger screen. It's it's going to exactly exact- pitching the sound system. That God will you get a lot of flack from that. He's do you care the s in the sense that I know those pictures. Some of the people making them To beautiful work and I really mean that I know what goes into that stuff The amount of work the amount of artistry that goes into a lot of it. I just find that ultimately for me. There was concern when I did Irishman for Netflix as possibly Altering or affecting in a negative way to theatrical experience. There is because Netflix only gives you a couple of weeks in about three weeks on this one. The problem here was that I pointed out that that I've made a number of pictures that only last week and a half in the theater. Anyway King of comedy was considered the flop of the year and entertainment it now button. Oh Okay so you said that and also having pointed at that No studio in Hollywood would make the picture. A netflix stepped up and it was a trade off or tradeoff. Have two three four weeks in a theater. Stays in a theater meantime and streamed so this is the way this picture had to be made eight when when issues he does really say. I'm not GONNA do this. Yes they give a reason for it. Yeah in a couple of reasons. There's period of nine years. One of the reasons was who's you know the the gotTa say that it's delicate issue but you know the box offices the names. Oh no well of course you had nobody in it. Well that's Al Pacino. They're saying at this time it really wants to see this kind of thing Having said that having said that there was also the issue that Heft Mo- almost half the picture they younger and they couldn't play younger and then we had the CGI come in And that's costly. That's cost and it was an experiment. You know it was an experiment so afraid of that no I know but but people have to give you money they they they have a right to question Mardi millions of dollars sure. Are you sure. Yeah absolutely but the thing about it too. Is that if that made me then think about what is theatrical experience when I was accused of of endangering at the ethical experience by by making this film at Net flicks And then I looked at the theaters and most of the theaters are playing superhero films. I said so. What's left? Do we have any theaters left for a movie. You know I mean the other movies that fine. It's it's it's not my thing and I I I. I tried over the years to watch some of the stuff and I lost interest a great deal of interest but in any event So at it's time for us to think about what constitutes cinema. Well now the idea that we talked about this over the years the idea of people watching the movie that you've you've made me the Irish epic and size. It just is so to watch it on my phone on my smartphone. That seem very small that I thought I certainly I could make I made a film. I made the past twenty some odd years. I made films both for television and for in terms of the screen size and the theater never for a phone. I don't know how to do it. I wish I could well. You don't have anything they take it and reduce use it so no I don't get it to light and I mean I know but films will be made for phones saying so even if they're not because that's where they can eventually wind up. Well I would suggest if you WANNA see one of my pictures on most films please. Mardi Mardi will phone an IPAD big IPAD. Maybe you know. But the essential thing and it goes to the Irishman to me completely lately. The last time that we talked about this kind of thing was the departed and win the Oscar. It lasts fortnum. Did so on predicting another but you know so what you know if you lose. Iou Twenty five cents so you have to pay up. I know people you know. Go People Deniro you but I still think people unless they have a gigantic screen. Their thing they have then the decision and making to decide to go to the bathroom or tickets his three and a half hours long. Yes so they can say well. I mean yeah I understand that too. I one of the things about a film three and a half hours in what this Netflix venue afforded us was. I wasn't sure about how should I put it. four theaters for home viewing wing Looking at it in sections looking at it for the end looking at the end I and going back to the beginning. It's kind of a picture. I think I find that when and I was running it here in this room I saw you know I have to see the whole thing again to figure out and after the first five minutes I was enjoying watching it now. I'm not saying because all I made it just it was an interesting Interesting a narrative structure and it got me involved each time. And so I I in a funny way I think I made it To cover all the bases in terms of how you can watch this picture. Ideally like you to go to a theater look at it on a big screen from beginning to end and and I know it's long because you gotta get up. You have to go to the bathroom and that sort of thing I get it but Also at home I think if you can make a night of it or after noon thereof you know and know that you're not going to answer the phone or you're not going to get up to much might work that's very often and you lose to me. You lose what you see by seeing a movie on a screen and you're in there and there are people with you like Sunset Boulevard. All those wonderful people out there in the dark are actually watching. That's right you right heart of the experience of Dino I wanna go we and changed that I know and it's going that's what's happening. That's what's happening so I took this chance to make a picture knowing that in my other films do like Ugo should be seen in three D Rarely is shown in three not particularly seeing it on TV now. So I know that it's going to have a subsidiary life in a sense or an ancillary life here. I said let's embrace that right away and let's see what happens. There are many ways to look at this film. I think and you know the other thing about you. Is that people say. Oh He's done another mob movie thing. Would it be done five or six five. That's it yeah. I know so graceful like I know and a lot of people think that this just one in the Irishman is you saying goodbye to the mob movie because I guess everybody the actors in it are in their seventies. Yes and the idea the is so were you right and so the idea. Is this actually goodbye to that. Are you actually saying it again. I hope not I hope not either. No because you'd uh-huh what we tried to do. That's why it took so long to get this project going. When Deniro Nice that we have to make another film it was right after Casino and say you know twenty five years later you have to make another film Marty? We have to do it. And he kept working policy projects other things and finally stumbled and tripped and count ourselves back in where there was a comfort for him terms in terms as an actor but primarily because he came up here and we were talking about this book and he described this this character to me and he became quite emotional describing it And I realized then that if this is if we've been looking for something something we could really learn from each other again if there's anything. We can go further with each other in terms of our collaboration in the work we do. This may be the one this may be if I could tap into that and so that was that was the guide in a way and it just happens that the background that the the the characters are placed against is the gangster Melia No it could be big business. It could be like wolf of Wall Street. It can be politics Essay Finance. I know the pressure's GonNa come from any direction any direction. What was fascinating to me about this one because we're all getting older basically that age wjr is one of the villains? You Jimmy Hop could be this big cheese the teamsters union and suddenly boom. You know. Yeah you don't know who you are one day or somebody shoots you or basically physical. Illness comes in the age. And it's the really films about time and and mortality really. It's that's what it's about and we just found a way through it. We found our way through it and something happened as we were shooting. Particularly the scripting. By Steve's alien the something happened there in the very beginning I said I wanNA take it all the way to the end. I WanNa go past their wild times all all the decisions they had to make. I want to go past when he has when he realizes that the price has to pay for the life he's led when he realized who's he's in with You know he he. This is something that's not gonNA leave him to the end of his life When Jimmy Real Jimmy is told in in this film and in the Book Charles Prince Book? He's told this is what it is. It is what it is watches. Watch house reaction he waits and then he says they wouldn't dare. Oh they would all this. It goes to the Hubris goes to and a man who I think. If you really sealed US documentaries read about Jimmy Hoffa on all the documentaries he did. He formed that union. He fought on the picket lines. He did all kinds of crazy stuff. You really put himself on the line. It is union but he was in with the wrong people and so that's another tale and he has his little piccadilly. He did like people to be late late and don't wear shorts. You don't do any of that stuff but it's it's fascinating to me this reunion you and you and Bob De Niro have seen each other through the years but what I read everybody but he says well they have. They don't even see each other in twenty five years we do. Yeah no what did it feel like directing him again again in a movie. That's a law the interesting because the moment he came on set for a makeup test He was in costume he was. He had the short sleeve shirt something in the shoulders. They I think the shoes were little higher and suddenly saw. Frank suddenly just won't pass all the cables. So that's that's the that's the guy the guy right there. I don't even have to take the test. That's and so just felt really. I mean we were doing a lot on. We talk a little bit but basically he was over there reading. I was over here working on stuff. That's great and then it just happened but then they were ready to go. Bobby I'm ready. Let's go so there's no. You're not sitting with him discussing motivation. No but we did a lot of over beforehand beforehand. But even that I gotta tell you honey hand that emotional reaction having read the book. You knew it was there. We can't articulate it it just went and and With Joe we did a lot of talking. That's another thing he retired. What did you have to do? Make him an offer he couldn't refuse well. How did you get at was hard? That was actually kept. Bob Is actually good. He stays on you and stays on you and stays on you until you can't until you can't refuse him you know but we also made it possible for Joe to understand that yes and maybe the same year but it's a very different character that he plays plays. Oh it's it is a big difference from Goodfellas also from Casino. Yeah so he really has the quiet down. He's the quiet one and I people people. I didn't even know about by the way when until I read this book. Felino and all them I I'm a Manhattan Person Distant Pittsburgh I think it somewhere. It starts with a P.. It's all your. I don't know that it's New York but shot at New York anyway. Sure everybody was was pretending to be the whole idea of shooting to was an anonymity because these things take place in hallways at a table. You know somebody's somebody's apartment a hotel room in Chicago. I mean it's not spectacle that way You know it's just a lot of people and a lot of people but Pacino is the first time. Yeah Yeah what took so long for you at Chino to get together. I gotTa tell you back. In one thousand nine hundred seventy. I became friends with Francis. Coppola had made mean mean streets yet but it came to my mother's apartment on Elizabeth Street and was having dinner and he's talking about Godfather talking about the cast and how paramount didn't want Brando. How paramount didn't want this and that and he mentioned to my mother said I have this kid To play Michael he said but he never was never in a film before but he told my mother he said Katie's has looks just like your son. He's really good and His name is Al Pacino and it's but he never worked on the film. Missile paramount doesn't want him then so that ninety took me down to the village across the village I should say. And there's a play by Israel Horowitz. Call Rats that was being performed. It was directed by Al Pacino. I met at night You know Am going from Godfather Godfather to to working with met pollock. I mean and he was on a level then nowhere could reach that in the eighties Because in ineffective was still making films with my friends in a way yeah but in the eighties we tried to do a film on Modigliani and we couldn't finance so see Netflix wasn't around uh-huh stage but how would you say that you and Deniro Joe Pesci changed over those years did you you working process change within the same stuff although I must say that that Joe had it was no rehearsal really he didn't want to Rehearse Siad to tell them could you at least read it disagreed should read the seething read the scene. What's it about yeah? I don't know it's not right here yet. But if you read it or even just get an impression of it. uh-huh we could. Then you know what he was just getting very slowly back into. It is what it was very very careful and had to be very precise because because he didn't want to repeat himself And that was the key you follow the campaign Goodfellas Casino. You think I'm funny. You forget it. No so so the whole thing became where I had to prepare him and make him feel comfortable. Imbaba's really big help with him. That way they start talking so that's exactly it move over here. Put that line change with perfect. You know keep them going. Keep them going any teed. Recite something to me. I said well let's do that. Let's put that money. How do you you indicate to an actor that what they just did isn't working? I've never asked you this before. I don't know if there's any yelling involves no no never yelling only once I did the work. Those terrible but I don't so you lose patients. The most important thing is to have patience Haitians nations and a lot of it. You know encourage them. If I don't I don't think it works. I encourage him to try to get it to work. They communicate to me. What the hell they want to do? you now and then get to that point. I don't know I'm sorry. I don't think that's goes the other way so we really try to work it out that that is an issue issue of a shooting time. We need to really work that out and get it doesn't work person said. Wow No good. Then you're GonNa took took you know. Let's see where it's going you know and often I find that things that I thought were not right become very interesting. You know at least well in the end you do have control over which take your you take exude acting when we talked over the ears and often about just moments in movies that happen. A lot of it comes to the actor. We WanNA talk about William Holden in the bridges Toko Ray ending looking those nothing on the bridge of the of the carrier and everything that is just going on so you can. You can make something epic but if you don't have that soul that tracks actually that's right which goes to. I think what you were saying. In Your New York Times apiece. You were responding to the controversy over the idea of marvel movies but you were also saying not what is cinema but what it is not not you might be sending it to the kids. Seeing those films might be but I don't get it I mean or at least put it this way. I've I've seen one or two. That's that's enough because it's the same thing over and over you know. What are the essential to you what makes cinema? I think what makes intimate to me I think ultimately it's something that for some reason stays with you so that a few years later watch it again or ten years later you watch should again. It's different in other. Words has more to learn about yourself or about life. That's interesting at first. You may be I you May. You may find that. I am affected affected by this film. The camerawork is amazing. The actors are terrific. Great editing and that sort of thing but a certain amount of time after you get enough of that like For example bull. Shoot the piano player Truffaut. I thought that was the best but after a while I realized is Joe's Jim. It's it's got more depth you can watch it repeatedly and you can watch different times in your life and the films the same you change life and death of Colonel Blimp. Pretty much the films of hitchcock in terms of like say psycho for example. I was there that third night. Midnight show at the three midnights. It was a circus. Talk about a theme running the place. The place was going crazy over the years. I've watched the form over and over. I really obsessed with it. But it's not the the the the shower scene. It's not killing Martin Balsam. It's not it's the scenes with the actors and how he's framed them and how they play off each other and and it's the mood and tone of the picture along with the music of course and it's the framing the compositions which almost kind of an aesthetic quality freaky kind of quality to it and so in a way. I've enjoyed that picture and I still do because of the things that it's not famous for you know because because you're finding something. Yeah but you told me right here in this room. That used to show a couple of movies every week that were made between maybe nine hundred forty nine signed in one thousand nine hundred sixty two. That's it but what was that period was that what made you excited about. I think so and I think because you know as I said I used to have terrible asthma. So they took him to the movies And I spent a lot of time. My parents experiencing these films. They were films usually from Nineteen forty-six from duel in the sun to the parroting according to Robin Hood to Blood on the moon. You know all these films and then going into the early fifties I think they will formative years they were really formative years and they. They created strong impression. I think the big change was seeing an of his nineteen fifty four twelve thirteen years old on the waterfront and Easter beaten. That was the big change and a hit me at the right time of adolescence. The beginning about you said I WANNA make this. I want to do this. I don't all I know is that I don't know if I could do it but I know I was there. That was me goes movies when me and I lived in them. You know Now on the waterfront waterfront. Yes there are people. I was growing up with It was almost as if it was a home movie. You know East of was the emotional conflict and turmoil of the family. Family and the sons The two brothers. I have a brother all this sort of thing. The common the father in the brothers that was there that was all there so somehow I became. I just stopped those movies. Gory place they play like that idea as he's to be on his case I find it nobody would have. The patience was speaking have anything they want now. No one ever they want. That's the problem. See I hear I always hear your enthusiasm whenever I speak you know there. Could you could at this point in your career. Say Look I'm going to rest on my laurels. Instead you're planning your next movie movie. Yeah I think the flower flower moon. Yes I mean what I'm trying to do is with the documentaries to rolling thunder under review the conjuring. I mean the thing is to try to find Guest kind of joy is a word. It's true true a kind of kind of spiritual fulfillment. I must say in crafting something and making something working to maybe A piece of art whether it's good better indifferent. It's still a work of art and like that's what I do. It's what I do and have curious about a lot of it. I'm curious how we're GONNA get there again. I Hanno people will say here are the best. Here's the five best. Martin Scorsese movies that happened. Do you have your own five. Best Warns Courses Assistant. It's hard to tell it's not too. I just came from downtown. I was doing the color correction on the film I did on my mother and father. Italian American is going to be on a criterion disk. And that was what I learned a great deal from and I think a lot of it pays off an Irishman. The sense that There was it's a lot of style that was stripped away immediately in that film. I still have to go through the the Should I say the different landscapes. Scape style All the way up to wolf of Wall Street but But the time we did silence and by the time he did the George Harrison film living in the material world that also taught taught me a lot about cutting away extraneous in a way And often just staying on a person the way my mother and my father told stories in that film I I found that I didn't have to cut away. There are moves that you made that people don't talk about like bringing out the debt or bringing out the dead Yes for some reason that's like it's very strangely funny film at times it is but it really is. That's a film about you know these guys. EMS Men and women go out there and they're like these angels of mercy in the street. St They'll like Modern Day saints alway and I thought that would be a great story to tell you know And it's got humor. It's a little crazy. There's no doubt but you you know it's It was a film that was completely ignored when it came out in nineteen ninety nine. That kind of thing happened and then movies get re discovered which no I know. I know it is still happening. So that's why I think the Irishman can live and to do that. I hope I hope we really felt it on the set We felt it. We're we're doing it. And that's how the crew kind of felt in and we all felt it while we were watching and that's actually the crew was doing but to go back as we end to the music of I. I always ask at the end that there's a little song now. The last time we Haji Baba Hajji Baba that was one of the best. Wasn't that song. Thank here not as good as King Cole. But no but I can call isn't around anymore but this movie you know you have. You have Stevie Beds Ed playing Jerry Vale and but it is. It's great and I convinced him to do that. He does all AWW. Wouldn't you want us. I'll do. I'll be lock. Yeah I can start you. La La la La la La la La then you take it what was that. What's all day long? Brilliant Italian version of it. Oh around I Don I don't all the rest of the words in Italian. Eh Dot Com. That's it finally got it. Yes you don't even have the Italian lyrics. I what was. What kind of Italian American are you? I didn't I didn't memorize those lyrics aren't they. Aren't they used in Rome. Adventure right the Roman Benca another movie movie that goes with the adventures of above assure that no one knows gracie great use technicolor great wealthy. That's everything was perfect technicolor. Mardi it's always great to talk to you anti hear you sing. I want you to stay in Italian still the night and staff who can do that we could still have time do it in one two three four in the still of the night I the word guys and but the feeling everything. Yeah exactly we got it we got it.

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Grant Gustin

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

1:20:30 hr | 1 year ago

Grant Gustin

"You're listening to inside with Michael Rosenbaum. If you're there you're watching someone go craziest lose their mind a little bit. No I woke up late. This is a real boring story but I got a new mouthguard night guard from my mouth. My teeth grind especially nowadays grinder But I got a new one fitted and it was kind of like not tight like the other one. I woke up man. Jot doesn't hurt my next better. You imagine if I've gone through all this shit for the last five years and it was all because my night guard was too tight embarrassing. Be Embarrassing see a any kind of relief. I WANNA thank everybody for listen. The show continued support. I WANNA fit patrons who The patrons are awesome. I save every episode. But you know they. They really kick ass and they go above and beyond subscribing is unbelievable. I appreciate everybody who subscribes and listens and gives the podcast a chance and follows us in all our handles. Our social handles at inside you. Podcast I think on Instagram. 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He's a sweet guy did you. What did you get out of working with him? What did you? It's the one thing that you take it like grant. I always remember this about grant hours. Remember the first team read when we meet very our intimidating man because Judas table read and he's coming in playing flash ends it's his episode. Any comes in and he kneels is Hillary. I didn't even need to see what he was gonNA do. On Saturday to read. I knew God they minarets And then it was just really cool on a yearly basis Siphon the tubers becoming friends aside from US enjoying working the other side from us both females be very honest with one another. We had that a delay not super common. It was really nice. Just going to show once or twice a year change in pace. It was nice and catering's kidding wasn't elbow their bird now. He's reason I love you more than when you come back. Maybe every couple of weeks or whatever. Just check in for morning read. Yes sure La over his brother. Aldous families in well-doing safe than all right. Why miss you buddy and give the family a hug? And I can't wait to hug you say buddy inside of you is brought to you by. Sun Basket boy. Do I need these guys right now? Right now some basket is offering thirty five dollars off your order when you go right now to Sun Basket. Dot Com slash. Iou and enter Promo Code. I owe you at checkout so without further ADO Stick around afterwards and please subscribe to the podcast. And if you haven't if you're a grant fan I know you're grant fan you're here for grant. I love it but the podcast a chance I think you'll learn something even if you don't know all the guests have I appreciate your support and I hope you enjoy this. Let's get inside of Grant Gusta. It's my pawn view. You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rose by a inside of you with Michael. Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. Now I fucked it up. It's Guston isn't it? Yeah how many people call you goosen time but I see it. A growing concern related. You hate it when people MIS MIS pronounce your name. I don't care now but as a kid be like if you're not going to be bothered you mark. I gotTa Baseball Coach now. He's coughing and like he called me. Grab you just company good. Let's have a little more hustle over here. Yeah than that wasn't great. Were you good athlete? Not I wasn't a great athlete. I played baseball for a long time. I was pretty good baseball but like I I I R- honestly hated soccer because of the running. I thought it's just ridiculous to run back and forth. Hope for the ball so I quit most sports other than baseball toes. Fourteen fifteen stop baseball theater. I mean you're Berry Allen you're the flash so you'RE GONNA BE ATHLETIC GOTTA RUN. You gotta look good running. There's a lot of people that don't look good when they run. My mother is one of them. This is true. Yeah now I danced for years and years and years. I guess that would necessarily help with running but like I'm pretty aware of my body and I'm pretty. I'm a pretty decent looking you are you know how to run. You know the stride yet why they also actually before the pilot can't remember his name that was working with this like Olympic track and field sprint coach. That did the coast. Olympians running backs in the NFL in heels me with my gate might. What my arms. We're supposed to be doing with so I did. Have some technical trade show started. Now there's a thing where you know for instance. When when Tom Welling SMALLVILLE had to you know fly he didn't really fly. But the you know super speed or whatever he did. There was a certain look like if he went with his gut. It didn't look good even though it felt right so that could you put your arm here or can you do. Did they have to sort of like? Oh Hey I know this seems like you're stupid and really awkward. But this looks better when you do this. I actually in two hundred horn but like on a regular basis. director Sometimes even cast will. That's the thing I'm most on. It's just like man you really know how to move. Your Body. Really think is finance background. It's an honest when a director somebody comes into the show did something. I usually have that again. They look pretty awkward as one thing. I've pretty grasp up like I'm supposed to look with lot that's good. There's nothing like a good looking runner. Strides just like. That's what they want for those commercials for like we don't run often. Sometimes for full body shots they'll be robbing a green street stuff on generally in a stance and Mike doing my legs really hard times just per step and other speedster guest stars not people that run the Tend to see people do same. Rbis leg likely step forward. You do the same right now. And then I always showed him with trade around. And they're like Yeah Grant Gustafson is teaching me how to run unbelievable. He's been running for what like five years and he just knows he has the flash. What's what's the major difference. I should know this because I didn't realize I. You know what I'm saying. I want to talk to you an interview. I have thought about it. But I certainly haven't thought about in a while. But then I'm like wait a minute. I play the Flash Animated Wally West Your Berry Allen for an audience who doesn't know you briefly like what what's the difference between varying law for someone who doesn't know felt like our interpretation of. Berry was kind of a combination of the comics buried and wally. Because I was a little younger wasn't really the age berry usually was we did a Lotta Corky awkward jokes. I think that tends to usually fall warn us. Wally Realm. Yes so yeah. I mean it's up to say use an ink where we landed with. Berry at least initially was somewhere between the two and we've kind of grown in some more uncertainty now twenty three. I think I did so like. I've grown a little more mature kind of leader version of area not quite as awkward on regular basis. We still have kinda going Eric while. Yeah I mean hard for me to answer just because our gary has never been like the comics now. She doesn't hurt my feelings at all. Obviously watched you. I don't I don't like watch superhero shows constantly. I mean I was on. It doesn't mean I'm a huge fan of one I am. I'M A fan. I I love the world I feel like I'm part of something. That's very Popular especially now and I feel like small definitely was one of those first shows that spawned all these great shows like flash and Arrow and supergirl. But you were fan where you're real fan and by the way. Did you do research like I'm going to study all the people who played? Berry Allen or I'm GonNa what did you watch Justice League On my show I was on. D.c What is it called? I grew up like a a big superman fan. I didn't really read comics. I up like they were before digital. Obviously when I was still getting it wasn't the I didn't know where to get common. Thread parents Intolerance but I was a big fan of Chris. Berries in that franchise And when I started doing flash or one of his concerts flashy the research. I initially dove into reading comics because I had done that. Strike out like the APP and was reading. Newt new fifty two brand new. It's time so I was reading all those I still revisit. The comic sometimes now But again our show is like kind of its own things. So it's you know you are on. Cw Show for years and it's CW is very much its own thing too. So where is just its own tone in version of the character? I blended LEX LUTHER. Twenty six years old. You landed a Barry Allen Flash at twenty three now. I certainly wasn't mature enough to carry a show at twenty three let alone. Twenty six let alone. Maybe just recently. I am able to do that so when you first find out you know. I'M GONNA play this character first of all you like. I much rather play Superman or are there other characters that you'd rather play because it's probably true flashes. Probably not top two or three on your list. I mean I used to grow up arguing with one of my best friends in high school. Who was a big flash fan about about why Superman was so much better? The flash served in for sure was wouldn't've headlight. can pick a super time. He's grown into being one of my. I mean probably up there superman now just because I'm so emotionally attached to character now but I don't think I also was at the time like radically Superman Batman eggs of nights. I've ever got the any superhero right. Isn't that the reality we don't want? Who would ever thought like honestly I. I never thought I'D BE LEX. Luther little own anything right so. I'm sure like look you're talented guy. Broadway tore you acted your whole life. You've done all these things. You had early success but if somebody would've said to you when you were even twenty-three before you've got the script or even in an age as an eighteen year old little boy. Hey you know you're going to be the flash back off. Can you say I was? I wouldn't have been sure. I mean even when when I got the Audition Marco because I was like I'm not GonNa get it and I get a lot of audition anxiety and if I if I don't WanNa waste my time. Their time breakdown. Twenty mid twenties early thirty S or mid twenties to early to mid thirties. Then again I was like twenty three and looked like ours. Nineteen maybe in. I didn't want to go to the audition at all because so Russia took it. That's exactly with me. There's no way I'm playing lex luther. No one's going to cast this guy. I'm a I'm a joke. Come kind of a joke. I'm looking at me. Yeah my friends even said that. Like dude no and then you know what you know what you know what happened. Grant we fucking zoned in man. We turn that we turn the volume. I we prove moderate man. He Did Jersey right either pilot and he was in my second audition. I believe in. He called me after he had seen my tape. My initial issue David casting director and really early on not it was like your ability to get this. You're GonNa get this and that from then on out. I was like you know tunnel vision on on on Danny because he had this belief in me that I was in may be heavily us but like you already had some shops. You're still young but at least you think without theater background. You'd never be able to make it through this. No no I still to this day. I I don't ever like even take my sides to set rarely. I'm very obsessed with like the process about getting the scenes down and that's guessing my theater background. I mean I I really drill not just memorizing it but the scene work and it's not you know hopefully I do much more challenging stuff throughout my career. It's not like it's nothing against writers intimating job but it's not like it's the most in-depth like emotional actor on a regular basis but I take really really really seriously and really prepared i. It's almost too much like I. I I I WANNA be too good almost. I WANNA like I don't want to. I worked so I worked so hard that I thought like most people don't do this. Does anybody work this hard? And that's obviously silly to think that it was torturous actually especially in the first season's just trying to prove everybody like I have to prove myself and do you feel like you just WanNa know these lines inside out you want to just be able to go on set and let's go. I mean it's I've come a long way with some taking a little pressure off myself not taking it as seriously at times. I've never let up on the work but our I've I've always been really hard at myself. Nice going on but I yeah way too much pressure on myself really on and gotten my way a lot. It shows in my research work like how like round up. I wasn't how focused I wasn't getting it right. And you're sure. Do you do anything before? You're doing your lines is there something like remember Jesse Eisenberg. I was doing this movie. That no one saw called cursed West Craven and remember every take he would jump up and down and and spin himself around right before action and I would do. There was certain things I would do if I had a certain scene. But he was doing this like just all the time and like it was it was way of doing and I'm like hey whatever it takes do you have A. I don't know if it's a tick if it's a I developed ticks from doing Shit Kinda working myself up. Is there something you do or you? Just kind of zoned in relax and let's go. I'm way more relaxed now than I used to be. I still have days that I'm really anxious or stressed about really tough scene or emotional scene but I really WanNa get right like like you said I mean. I still sometimes love that. You're really wanting to prove myself to accrue like the people on set. They're actually watching like really find myself thinking about what you think about this. I'm thinking about watching Yup. Yes Inter background. I think it's almost like like instant gratification. That instant response like I remember. J. D. J. J. D. is he ever worked for great guy. We always still talk among Arabs said. Great Dude Yeah. Jd remember just like I remember one episode early on he goes. Hey man good now all right thumbs up and I just wanted that thumbs up all the time and when I didn't get it I was like crew members that like I feel like I have that relationship but yeah I mean I don't think they realize how much you WanNa comes up to me after seed crush that I mean that means the world does right. They don't they think oh they don't want to hear. I think they're thinking they don't want to hear from the grip that they're good we do. I carry with me for forever like I usually come over and tell my wife about like like like buzzing seen an deals up to the afterwards gone. You don't care about e w writing an interview saying grant crushed it you want Neil. You want that's exactly the same way. Yeah I feel that same way whenever I'm on a set. I always WANNA know people's names very quickly. I always wanted to be like a family because I think for me. It safety like I feel like if I if I trust them I could fail in front of them and they could just pick me up and I can be there for them that there's something I don't know if it's a good thing. It's just kind of what I do that I just. I WANNA feel safe when I'm doing my work that I know people rooting for me around me. It goes back to the theater. Do shows like Acting Class High School College? And it's like that's what the relationship that I have with my acting classes. You know it's like you need to be feel safe enough to fail and that you're gonNA receive constructive criticism and we're GONNA PAT each other on the back and we're GONNA learn from each other ended. Obviously you mop as constructive criticism about you. Want it to feel like a safe glades somebody I can try whatever and look stupid and do get it right on the next day. When did you know it was GONNA be huge? Did you see the pilot and go okay? This is going to be doing this for awhile. I mean I hate to sound like I ain't never even done a pilot in. I now know like how unlikely islets to go to series event but I maybe it was really was ruining like I you know I was cast on Arab I it was two episodes of Arrow supposed to do a third episode of Era. That was going to be a backer. Islet but Characterists received so well. They decided to do a standalone. And I knew from that. We'll get serious just because it's the flach in it like I never thought it was never about me. It was just about like. I'm so lucky that I landed this. And there's no way to slash folder. We get a season. Want Roy coming off the heels of Ero and maybe it was even though I thought it least you know three to five seasons fella given just because it was such an iconic character and I was for sure how cells better being in the meeting. Tom Cavanagh in being a big fan of Jesse Martin before we all came in Dave. Another call to tell me. Just what a pick district theater near a ham and freaked out and annotate She's the kinds of things specifically. I remember when I was younger. Like Irving Sky High. This is insane it was gonna we shows me around for awhile. I could always tell who's had a good upbringing in terms of like close with their parents or loved were supported. Were parents were proud. I can just tell I know these things. I could tell you that you had a good upbringing. My wrong now. I mean. My parents aren't together anymore but they were both great parents. Yeah I mean we had a great family general. I'm still close with my siblings. I talked to my dad not as much as I talked to. My mom super supportive proud of you. Love you whatever you comes to me in my career in this journey on always College I WOULD. First of all was getting Efa Musical Theater which is not a real thing that's going to help you in the world. And they were various according to that it was an expensive school at Illinois University which is not A little BFA Janos Amazing Training. And I recommend anyone go down if they WANNA do theater inaccurate all but then I dropped out to do with a tour of west side story. Broke for Western story in Lake had support from both my parents to do so an ear so most beautiful sound. I have really saying when you're a jet. Eurojet all the way from your first cigarette dying day. The bad sorry. I love musical theater as well and I read somewhere. Where he said you know you always WanNa do Broadway and then maybe TV and film and it's sort of been except for that you need to the Broadway tour but you've sort of switched positions. Its course sort of like TV and film career but you always want to end up on Broadway for sure I I just don't up knows doing dimmer. Whole life was theater started doing ten In like fourteen it was like exclusively like my only hobby and what I did outside of school in the Yeah my whole life was just about musical theater and around. Eighteen thousand nine hundred New England China's of more specifically without stat or wanted to follow that ass on a huge. I saw Hugh Jackman in the boy from is us do not Broadway and I knew that he was like the movie stars essentially already and I. I do theater path by my way in the film. The months I get big Joe Johns I can just go back and do theater Hugh Jackman. I mean lucky enough to kind of be on that track now. Hopefully now theater waiting flashes over. I mean it sounds like it sounds ridiculous either. Become a movie star. Then I'll do theater and then you know I mean no. It sounds like it's absolutely I think you have to have the mentality of like. This is what I'm going to do and people will say these are the odds and this is this I i. I don't know how many times people said dude come on their soon. Great Actors Out There. And do you don't understand. I know I'm going to do it. It's something you just know. And that's success doesn't mean I'm going to be this and I'm going to. It's just that I know I know innately that. This is what I'm supposed to do not do this. I don't know I like it. It's cool. There's more of our station in college. I had with a friend that has still friends with in his head. A lot of success on Broadway on its own now but I remember at the time it almost like he was frustrated with me like I was almost getting under his skin like 'cause. I'm not a cocky overconfident. Gerson by any means I actually went very insecure a lot of time in my so very slow moving but like you said like I mean. I won't be doing this if I didn't think like. Oh Yeah I'm GONNA be on Broadway. I'M GONNA be able to do this late. Why would he if I didn't believe I'll have yet to understand? I think there's some people that you know. I have friends that just like I know I just want to do this. Should I do this if you're saying should I I don't then there's then there's no there's only there's those people I wanna be a doctor. I want to save people. This is what I WANNA do. There's not like I don't know. Should I be a doctor or should I be you get to a point? Where like I know what I'm destined to be whether it's doing theater in a small town and not making any money or becoming a movie star or whatever. This is what I WANNA do. I was fine with it. I mean I also knew that was the possibility I knew. 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The arts and try to be part of that and You know I try to help raise money and on the board or whatever and I always think the PC public feeder Kentucky's right where I went to school and it's right there and you know they have a there and they had the lex luther coat there. I don't need it all that and it's a museum and I'm always like I want to go back one day and do a play just keeps getting further and further away did so many plays in college and I remember the Camaraderie. That the feeling right before you go on and play on the makeup and going over lines and doing the stupid tongue twisters and getting. I always used to get the stage like an hour early because just nerves into the my part where I'm going and this is what I'm going to say this and sitting in a corner and there is something free cool about that. There is something that you can't really. It's you can't describe it right now I mean I missed it. I mean you said earlier that instant gratification cracks in a fourteen year old dog in once he starts screaming it's You can hang out with us. Good no yeah what I was doing. Biocide him you know. There's a lot of dancing warm-up stretching involved but I was there I two to three hours or the shower today. If you're rituals in your routine own no. It's he said are sending out is he's just a lake called yet please. Were we saying Yeah No Theater? I I missed that process for sure. I mean there's nothing. Mtv is like the process of you know the first process for show alive experience actually putting on the show nothing similar to you know it's funny. I see your parallel of our parallel. Because I'm a lot older than you I. I'm seventeen years older than you could had you. You think about it. I don't want to think about it. You know you think about the parallels of like going doing theater going through college and you know I thought it I you know I'm GonNa get I WANNA get married. I'M GONNA have a kid. I'm GonNa do this and you know I'm forty seven. I'm still well. I'm single and I've done all these things but it seems like you've done so much so early Broadway tour you know. You did the glee thing which was really cool and then boom catapulted here. You are the flash and and YOU'RE MARRIED NOW. You might have kid who knows right. It seems it seems like you've got your shit together unless I'm missing. Something is something that you just. Is there something that you're still? You know. People say content? Are you content? I don't think I'll ever be content. Yeah I don't know I mean I'm definitely I know how I'm very aware especially in certain moments. How lucky I am out differently. Things could have gone up until this point. But you know I also like there's clear when it comes to my career Plenty of things that I feel like. I've missed out on the to. What have you missed out on? What have you missed out on like during the flash him? You're not setting like might show amazing but what we're seven years in now in large sex. We finished six years past four. Hey this is now I've had hired as project that has fog through because of flash feel like there's a lot of other opportunities out there. I've kind of got film and stage. That has gone away. Because it's a schedule conflicts. You know so you just can't have. Everything's it's been all flash for six years ago you know all too well. Yeah but I think that you know if you look back right now I definitely don't have I mean I've sure I don't have regrets. In fact. My uncle got tattooed no regrets. I'm like fuck. That's a lot. I don't think I don't think you know what I under that you should put like a caption like not entirely true. Because we all have regrets regrets no I would never trade off where I'm at right now to be somewhere else in my life where my career I mean I have. I think one thing I really struggle with my wife targeted by recently. My mom competition all the time. I Have Imposter Syndrome for sure. Like I don't think I ever deserve anything that again or that like I not worthy or I didn't work hard enough for it or someone else for tires were talented. So that's something I struggle with time. You know Just being like okay reformat tonight. I wor- I deserve. It earned it on us wanting to really makes you feel lucky. All the time is I don't know how I got to wear now. Like almost ever like he was in west side of you now. It should have been junior college. I'm an all my friends were in. I was living all of our dreams like doing garbage for a story like Every day was out on my so much and I was kind of every step of the way solid. I can tell you why is it? That's the thing it's hard because when people's perception of you is obviously different from the perception you have yourself. Obviously you know Talented this and that but like I look at you and I'm like good looking guy. He's really talented. But all that aside the best trait about you from just knowing you and I think which is the most important with anybody is who they are as a person people see that and if it translates they want to be around you they. You're you're very likable. That's I mean. That's a huge thing. I always tell the story of James. Gunn told me the story and he directed gardens the galaxy and soon guardian galaxy to Kurt Russell. They Kurt Russell is telling the story about escape from New York and the director John Carpenter was like you know. I don't know they just want me to make the character of Snake Pushkin more likable that place and he goes why I'm likable. Likable guy and I think that's true and so I think that's kind of like. Have you ever had those moments you're like? I don't know the Berry. Seems kind of like a Dick Right now? Like todd for sure you know. So you can relate to that but you're innately likable dude. I'm sure you could play a Dick and a Weirdo. You can put an eye patch on and kill somebody in a movie and people like that. Guy's an asshole but there's something innately likable about you and I think it's humble for you to say that you know you know to deserve this. There's a lot of other actors have done that. My whole problem is I never fit in. I never felt like I fit in. I feel uncomfortable around a lot of celebrities. I put on an air of like look at me. I'm confident you know and I could turn that on but but the reality is is. I'm always kind of on because you WANNA be light. You want to be accepted. That's I've I've talked about that. Have you ever dealt with a you know exerting your life any kind of depression or any kind of way? Since I mean a really young I mean since probably four five. I've dealt with like anxiety depression like I had. I had really weird anxious type dreams as a really young kid. I mean it's John. WanNa get too into we we before we got married we started doing couples therapy just like you know. Be ready for marriage before there was really nothing going on marriage and all kinds of things for both of us start going come to the surface and has good presence couple. Mike as Vigil Olson with all kinds of I was. I knew I'd always know these items but putting like you know getting to know where things started and Y. You're feeling that were exiled is ever present in my life for sure. You saw what happened with with Stephen talked about many times. I was so brave and like I think nowadays you can sort of talk about that thing especially in this. Show it it without a doubt. I didn't know this was going to happen but it helps. It just helps people. They're like Oh my God this guy so successful and he deals with anxiety. How does he deal with it? And it's just like you're not saying this is the answer to picturing Zay. This is like this is what I do to help me. So when you say hey. I want to couple therapy because I wanted to be a better husband and wanted to be. I WanNa be a better husband. I WanNa be a better man. I want to be better on this and I think just talking about your shit with someone who could be objective and someone who could just. How could it not help if someone's professional? Obviously any concert be for anybody for sure. I mean it's been really helpful allies. I don't do us what's the thing that's the most the biggest thing in therapy that you found that you sort of heard acknowledged embraced worked on it? And you're like wow that helped me exponentially I mean just in my relationships go working on it. In a moment's it helps in another moment. Cy like forget about it but like I've not always good it just like really really listening in hearing what's going on with my wife because she's more levelheaded demand more calm less stressed out and I'm always talking about what I'm stressed about like. I just think like she's got something going on. Show share that with me but you know or different than she needs. Need like talk to her like Oscar. What's up and really listening ear or I'm thinking like also offered up if she wants. That's when I'm doing constantly look I can't shut up is she. Just isn't that way so in our relationship that's been huge in. Its something that I'll probably be whereas until the day I die. I'll tell you what that right. There is fucking profound because if it doesn't help anybody else helped me just now because I'm like this. I don't know if it's because you know sometimes we're selfish this we're actors we're fucking we're in our head think of a million things got. Add and so we're constantly open about everything that's going on. We're most people aren't so we but she's just she's not you know we're different. We assume they're fine but we need to stop for a moment. Go All right. I need to fuck off for just a minute. And how are you seriously? Because I'm a self indulgent pray Ke- and I don't think I don't ever think like selfish person or like I'm all up in my own feelings because like I am constantly also worried about in other people was on the world. And it's not like I'm just thinking about me and my problems for like my Zaidi's forefront everything including our relationship instead of like I said where her anxiety is or what is she about what she feeling. So that's something I'm definitely Dude it's awesome. I think that's sound. It wasn't even advice you gave. But it's I guess inadvertently it is. It's like listening it's hard it's like sometimes just to take a minute and go. I want to say a million things right now because it's just not saying anything and just going talk to me. Tell me under thinking. It's an exercise set to. I mean 'cause like we sat Insulted you're the same way like I cared a lot about getting things right and then sometimes I think there's no way anyone around me cares as much about getting your right as I soon. I started to project and especially earlier on I used to. I'm not addicted like I can get stressed out. Might be indicated moments because I really care about getting a right and I think other people don't and I think I've come a long way. My Flash Journey is knowing where each dealing with their own shit first of all. We're all stressed out to work in our own way In trying to keep my shits myself hello good and be their father below the more. What I'm telling you know this is fun easy right. You haven't good time. I liked us. You know it's funny. 'cause I tried to get you on a long time ago and you're in Vancouver and I gotTa fucking pestering him now and the guy who's pestering interview. I used to be the actor mean. We're talking like generally I don't have the excuse right now that might work but like I'm always like I say no to every because the work is so constant and I just WanNa stay focused on and due to the best mind I rarely. Do you might as podcast book interviewed surrogate appearances. Undo don't do convention. I do a lot of extra stuff outside of the Working Denver. Did you think in the beginning? They were sort of like young kid. We'll take advantage of him interviews this this this because eventually you probably stepped up going all right. I think I could say something now. What no no. No no not really be honest that like I said I let it stress me out more than still set out like season one stuff but like I mean I did some centrally on thought. It was really cool. Like New York lacked for a lot more than I do now. Their first couple seasons was completely stoked about it. Because like my brother lives there There and you know it's cool to do like you know. It was Kelly and Michael at the time with the live with Kelly. Mike Oh cool down. A lot of it I did like set Myers. I think one year. It's a really cool like you see those shows in the that's I feel like Like made it so. It's not like I don't think it's cooler. I don't WanNa do it but I really do care more about making sure unprepared for my scenes show on sat in. I feel asking to take away from that. It's not hard for me to say you know not not. I don't have time. It's not just like I really don't have time to New York Street. Jimmy Scott Tweet next week ninety. Two Savior genetics. Yeah you do all the crossovers and Shit and I've talked to Steven Destined Mike and Danielle. I know it was hard enough to doing one ship. When you're just doing all these I mean how I mean. You probably think they're cool when you see them but shooting them probably. Isn't that much fun. I'm guessing is interesting because it's idea of them is like not fun at all to like you like. I feel like some people might say the opposite but for me thinking about doing them. You're just like I don't WanNa do it this year. Like it's so like you said so hard it's so hard make For eight days were making three to four episodes in television. Of course like three or four weeks and with production schedules. That just don't make sense and like there are moments relate. It's insane and just not human the type of conditions than ours. That were Ed but like I belive but said that it wasn't like some of the more fun more memorable moments didn't happen during the search shoots you drag them a little bit. But then when you're there and it's like this is like Brandon Ralph and Stephen were we all are so different but have all these things in common. We never get to see each other. You're laughing constantly. Yeah it's onto Italian. Like most comedy suits do you have. How many flash suits do you have and do they start to smell? After a day of we're in that Shit. Yeah look at one time. They do their best to this day. Coming on a regular basis for location I take a toothpick fans said like I I hear ago is today. I think it like right now. The current suit that I have. I WANNA say this probably to hero suits and maybe a third We constantly like mess up with pick police for harnesses and stuff but sometimes we have to one. 'cause one gets destroyed and all have to pick point in that with harnessed and then my that day they need to early wallets on stitching shot because the bought suit. Just kind of depends on like what we get is. What's the one Broadway show right? Now that comes to mind that you would love to do you love for it to be your first Broadway. Show when you're able to do Broadway that one Broadway. Show that if that was it. I don't mean hard question. 'cause there's I I could see. Allow us to get to see way. More before out soon fluctuate look at any given time. But I've seen nothing as open Broadway home. Darren Criss Buddy of mine. You know that I'm sure you know of to see one like every award. You could win like two years ago for that precisely show. He was ugly with us and he was great. When I you on Greece and I'm more than anyone else knew he was from the world knew like I'd done nothing like healthy understand what everybody's job was so welcoming. He was about to do. American buffalo with Lawrence Fish. Earns heavy Ever been abused as I was when I saw outfit. I'm actually like a real has laser. That's what I'm reading straight. Clay is I think more now would I'd love to be doing. I got to kill mockingbird this past season at a couple of friends that were in that that would be another with. Inherit some time like something like that. I can't even imagine getting to do. We do mice and men. And I'll play Lenny. Yeah you're going to have to gain thirty pounds but I could. That's GONNA be tough. It goes to my face now this beer. I said screw it. I'm going to beard for your beard. You're right and you know I. Finally I got the e e mail. Hey Dude a lobby at your hair. Looks terrible now. It looks looks good well. This is a bad angle too on my call. Grits. I'm always Jellison Steven grissom good. I think spirits Chin cartridges like religion perfect. You said some actually watching new girl last night and it was his episode. You took his shirt off. And you just like the outlawed Jesus Christ son of a bitch. I can't get away from this. You said that you said you wouldn't wear You told Stephen a male. I won't wear a t shirt on CAM with. I have to wear a blazer because look it's true it's like I've always been thin. I've always been not really buff. And then always Tom Welling around me so whenever had to do a scene like. I go you have to give me two months notice so I could work out so hard that I kind of look good. I don't even do like you know. We're not a typical chart. Show in that respect. Like the lead being like beautiful shirtless all the time like I really early on I did a few now. 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I owe you and enter the Promo Code I you well. Here's the surprise. Was The fucker Stephen Analysis. Going to pop on and he was like his thing. He's been like I WANNA come on. Come on so yeah. So he's going to probably do an intro. He's GonNa do an intro. Is there anything you want to tell them veered? This is quarantined down as a really something special. I don't know if you've seen because things to wardrobe is this like the palm springs effect there like what's going on like it's like. I'm just not never seen him look like these are some questions from some fans from my Patriot Mary. B It's called Chautauqua Rosemond. They're quick you answering quick if you could go back in time with no worry about the butterfly effect. What historical figure would you like to meet Christopher Reeve? He's not really historical. Figure like a huge. That was probably one of my early I. He did kind of those early early early era and what happened to him was just so tragic. I know he made a whole second. Life out of it was able to inspire. You know all kinds of people and do all kinds of positive. Thanks boost just awful. I was devastated when he passed away. So if I could have known him his prime and like you've got to work with him or something and then you've got to work in the you're saying that I was on small. Tom had his. He had his scenes with Tom but I did get to meet him. I went to a Christopher Refoundation van in Puerto Rico and I got to present him. A blanket signed by the cast at Madison Square Garden for Charity Hockey Game. And I kinda got teared up man. I got emotional. I mean I just said Hey I I was on Smallville. I didn't get to work with you. And I'm really bummed about that but I love you and I've always loved you and just thank you for being a true superman and he was just awesome. We just sat there and he said a few words and yeah like talk about facing the most adverse is just facing such a horrific circumstances and then going. I'm going to keep going and I'm going to be better and I'm going to more for people and I'm going to be a better man than I ever thought. I was smart excited because of this accident. Which is crazy crazy Jeanette what do you miss most about the tidewater area lived in Portsmouth many many years? She did she I loved growing up there. And folic had everything the Tiber area Norfolk Virginia Beach Cities must most time is really different from like Virginia's state and I mean it has the beaches cities city in either really normal happy life in the most part growing up in school area. I'm a big tides fan. The Norfolk tides wheel. You go to those AAA team. Goes James A lot? Just the governor school where the from your school then I got to go to growing up was really special. Israeli special ason strips the beach with France and simple life for being a teenager Nico P. Who's your favorite nineties character? I mean you were born in ninety. But who's your favorite character? The one thing you remember watching I just let that I just into my head. I thought was gone Zack Morris the Bell Inquiry Court Corey's last name from Bobi it's World Matthew so you watch those shows sweet. Did you watch SMALLVILLE. He didn't I didn't extrasensory I think because of course like vote that Rosie. What was your favorite memory? So far in the Flash. Remember one moment. You're like a kind of couldn't stop laughing your cried. I get emotional. Something where it was just at that moment that night something happened and you just like or just whatever. There's a specific moment that on never forgetting honestly. I give you my times with Tom. Cavanagh in general that like we can't stop laughing just like bits that get stupid or in super as we go but like funnier on air. Were remember for weeks and sometimes like when they're really funny late seventies remembers that coconut. Asuncion's while they come to us about that but that's so gone fight to hear like. Oh remember does lifelike but specific moment. I'll never forget was the season one finale in shooting the scene to this day maybe the best thing I've Trenton. The show where vary goes back. He thinks to save his mom from getting killed by the reverse. Flash STOPS BECAUSE HE realizes he has to let it happen but then he gets to have this moment when she's dying and berries like an adult sheep has the moment of recognition. Knows that it's him doesn't understand why it accepts. That is crazy emotional scene. I mean I never forget shooting scene or the like subsequent hours at home after I couldn't shake it like I was shower but still just like hysterically crying with my mom had died in front of me. Real get like as an actor is just something like I still draw for. Yeah when you can draw that that is just like the most powerful thing ever if you could use an experience to get you somewhere. There's I mean yeah well I mean I think for the reason always still draws from it is like that storyline is still crescent with Berry on show. So it's like I don't have to stake. I've never lost a parent going. I don't have to say when I do that. Storyline because I really have those visceral emotional reactions to thinking about losing noralyn various mob because I felt like I experienced it for real. It wasn't like something I written script did you. Maybe a stupid question. Did you feel like calling your your mom? After that I think I did. I mean yeah. I told her that I mean it was crazy. probably tried talking to her on it that it was. I really felt like I experienced using you like yeah. I mean it was crazy. Yeah Lisa asks from Villainous character like ugly to a hero character in the flash. I mean what's what's harder portraying. Which what do you like better plan the hero or do you like mixing up your actor right? Yeah I mean this is. Sailing can be fond. Play bill because not so much barry on over the years but It's also you know loved given the opportunity to play this character this just like innately has caused but is just like so good and like so well intentioned and He he has his downfalls and false at times for really puts other people before himself. And I've learned a lot from area over the years I love. I'm Berry so yeah I don't know I mean it's I I definitely want to shake things up outside of church play other kinds of things but I also hear rock says what your favorite musical. I mean we kind of went into that. You said play American buffalo kind of see but it's hard for you to kind of the musical blood brothers us like locally attached to that story just because I did it for a year. That is the only one I've done that amount of time but like I've had a lot of great experiences with musicals over the years and there's a lot of things like even like can't be silly ones. I've never done but always loved. You want to share spray like ours. Link Clark Spread Nazi war. Exciting things like one of my early Broadway Heroes that's always what music like in the past and said. This is an equivalence me. I'm thinking like do you have to your musical. You're trained. What do you sing around the house stuff? I WanNa hear you sing any seventies or eighties or ninety second hour. I think like when I left musical theater and started doing slash like unlike Melissa extinct things popular had possibly whatever we're working together. She's always saying steered interested. Ince's she's not married to my buddy Chris who was a musical theater major with me on Universal Gosh Allow like my wife's like wishes she could sing but cannot singer knows nothing theater So I'd say I kind of left behind me a lot these past two years. But I mean like seventies or eighties music or ninety s or disc or some thing if I was just like music music that a single an recently like I've always loved Jason Mraz and like I can sing his whole towel if we're in the car but just Morales on like one hundred twenty two fish song. What's the fish song fishing or fishing? I don't fucking know this. What's the One Jason? Morass on the fucking. What's the one on? The illness goes through every once in a while to start singer. I mean I don't even go through my head. I just like if one comes ought to start singing it Mike. I realize I know all of these songs I mean I get it. You're not going to say no I'm not but do you. Warm up and Shit when you sing right about that even when I E to sing on regular basis dancing. It's like I never. I was always pretty good both more dancing singing. Actually I hated ballet class. A hit go to dance class. A hit instructs you warming outlook exercise to get ready to or when it comes to act like I liked the preparation. That's when I kinda stirred realize eighteen. Nineteen twenty more cash. Way was like really focused on trying to great actor. I didn't care as much traffic. A great dancer and just kind of was good. I get nervous nervous. Auditions you get nervous fraud. That auditioned to get really like in your head. Does it take you like I need to take to get into it? Not always use. I like what I make tapes. Actually I don't harp on it like I like to do one and sometimes to out do over and over again Look I didn't hurt us again. Like COMECON guy can't eat the morning before comecon like what? I'm really nervous like I don't eat. Today is really bad. Like it's mother's Zaidi rules. My stomach I've actually just in past few but six months or so. That's starting to change family eating more working out more like restaurants levels lower. Yeah I get really nervous dictates my appetite for sure. I love it. Well this has been. This has been incredible. I you know I've been wanting to talk to you for a while and I heard so many good things about you from everybody. There wasn't anybody with. There's one person who's now now. Everybody's like you know this is. This is a normal great guy who works really hard and his pleasant to work with. I mean you always wanted to hear like humans. I'm sure there's times onset. Where you through Christian Bale? But the ever flip out homing gotten a lot. I've gotten way but I'm pretty much do that anymore. But I used to like sees him once to ahead in my head to like being in season three probably being a number one was like heart of my job was to keep the day going into like 'cause I do the show better than like the director. Whatever but like I didn't have enough respect for guest directors. The first few seasons nine like they had done a lot more than I don than what they were doing in I got into my head from partly for myself partly for other people telling me that like Otniel Christner. GonNa listen to all like. Why are we shooting shooting and like I came to realize that type of behavior only didn't it didn't help but it stressed me out more like that guy added times become that guy and I don't do that shit anymore like our conversations with the director about things that are going on but I tend to not publicly declare onset anymore. There's something to be said about you know. I think we've all done that. We've all like anywhere doesn't have to be acting whatever you know you. It's just a waste of energy. It's like this day. What am I saving ten minutes? Twenty probably losing and it's just causing me grief and stress. Let's just I'm here film. Let's just film. Yeah I mean that was the biggest downside lack of experience that I had when I started doing. Flash was in something being the number one was. I think I could have learned watching other people like the did it the right way but I don't you know it. It doesn't help just wasted energy to come in like that. You're helping the day regarding by like declaring that like we need everyone we get it. You're twenty three years old too by the way I'm telling you I don't know what would have happened if I would have like. I mean I was twenty six and thank God. I wasn't lead second to Tom. But you know But I had been working for a while. I just feel like I wasn't ready for for tip to carry a show into Kudos to you for like being able to do especially stress and the anxiety. The whole shows on my back. You could start really thinking about these things. And that's also what I've learned now is just stop thinking about tomorrow. You really honestly sound stupid. Just think about today right now. What do you have to do? I have to do these lines too. Great as I can. And that's it. I don't have to think about these other days right now because stress the shit out of myself. I think that's I think that's probably what you've eventually did was just okay. I'm here. It's really just an investment year year and a half. I realized you know I could be a lot easier on myself in the whole production and I didn't put so much pressure on myself to feel like my number one roll like until more than it actually tell which is just burning scenes being. You know most prepared friendliest person I can be. How many seasons left us a flash ONE ON MY CONTRACT TO? That's GonNa be a tough woman. They throw money at you and they're like. Hey Yeah. The conversation actually had started already for adding potential eight nine. This happened and everything has stopped so and we don't know when we're going back in we didn't finish our last. What should have been our last three episodes to episode of Season Six So our not. I mean we might do those strips. We go back for seven to lead into what we were going to so many way. Anna's come back in I don't know and we're GONNA continue. The negotiation talks to also. There's two thoughts to one. Well if I do sign for season eight nine you know. I'll be fine for quite a while. I have family Blah Blah Blah. Then we'll have to worry as much now. There is like you know I've done show long enough. I made some money and I just WanNa do my own thing. So it's Kinda that there's both sides to it for sure and like the like we talked about earlier the thing that makes it hard to keep doing it. It's like I really have lost three fields. One theater opportunity that were locked set ready to go and then those things had to push like two weeks and my whole hi. This is two and a half months so like they had it retested. Yeah and that's hard to deal with hurt swallow and I had another one this Essendon this happened so like at movies not happening. Obviously so they'll remember the frustrating law. Remember this to anybody. Who's like you know you've got your friends? You got your whatever but I love my my age nice. And then the guy's the studio is nice. And everybody's going to be like this is what you WanNa do. This is how you the because everybody gets money. Everybody makes money. Just make sure whatever decision you know how to do. Just make sure. Your decisions in your. This is what I want to do. I don't think Iran decision. I WANNA do more to like I when I went into that site to the amount of seasons that you guys did like nobody gets to select that milestone. There's also something incredibly like we we did that and I don't know I mean I'm glad to that. I was like locked into the contract. I was locked in to talk about those earlier stressful seasons like if I could like their plenty of crew members that law after season two like I probably would've also because this is too stressful like this is too hard. The hours ridiculous. I want to just walk season two. I was like lockdown Glad like this let you know that have been on the journey on our side it as long as I can. Probably you get great fans. I look at the comments. I look at the love. I love with the support that I go to the cons and the fans are honestly what keeps keeps it all going. I mean without them. It's just unbelievable. Like small is over ten years now and it still go there. And there's a new resurgence on Hulu and I meet these kids and I it just it. Just it's just such an amazing thing. It's amazing thing to have thought and like you have millions and millions of fans and I rest of my life which is pretty special and I get to be one of the animated ones. Yeah not your favorite five seventy two seasons. I was animated. Look it surprises me because I was just my voice. I know people love all the. But you're you embody you're the you're the physical and the your I mean I I love. I love it. Love US THE FLASH FLASH FLASH LIST SONGS. Well look at my followers. They'd be like you better all right buddy but look I just appreciate all the fans and today I really appreciate you coming on and hopefully when this is all over one day we hang out You know I'd love that and come in person inside of you too. But that was a great down the road. Hopefully this will clear up and we won't have to zoom it up but hey got us together so thank you allow me to be inside you my friend and good luck with the Wi fi and a dog. The fourteen year old. Cute Dog's name jams do. That's great and that's Cute Tattoo mine. Mine's like twelve or he's getting old is the most consistent with delays winter. It's inconsistent anders. Yours yeah you gotta just love as much as you can anchors you know how much longer do I have? It's always like four or five years. No I know it's a hug automatically. You could die any minute. I got macabre. I shouldn't I do. I love you. Thanks so much for this. Thank you all right. Pretty Fantastic Thank you grant for being so open. 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Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's Letter to the Media, Book Recommendations, and More Recommendations | Jam Session

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Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's Letter to the Media, Book Recommendations, and More Recommendations | Jam Session

"Today's episode of session here on Ringer dish on the regular podcast network is brought to you by world central kitchen. Their relief team is working across America. The stately distribute individually packaged fresh meals and communities that need support there now serving tens of thousands of meals daily and some of the biggest cities like New York and La. And they're launching initiatives across America to deliver fresh hot meals to hospitals and clinics fighting on the frontlines while keeping local restaurants and businesses. Well you can directly help the heroes and hospitals and clinics. Who are fighting for us and you can help. Keep your local restaurants alive. Go to the ring dot com slash W. C. K. to donate. We're trying to raise two hundred and fifty thousand dollars that will help our hospital heroes. Emergency workers and local restaurants. Please give whatever you can. The money goes directly to world central kitchen and it to charitable donation again. That's the ring dot com slash W. C. K. Welcome jam session. I'm Juliet Limon. I'm Amanda Dobbin still in quarantine. Hey Amanda Politically I've Dylan Quarantine still talking about Megan Harry. We're going to get into their statement released on Sunday night. GonNa Check in on to our faves. Brad Pitt Nancy Meyers just recommendations but I of course. Let's talk about the Sussex as your Los Angeles neighbors our Los Angeles neighbors. Yes that's true. We got a week off last week last week. We didn't actually talk about that. That was that was good for everyone I think. And unfortunately now they're back. I feel like we should talk. There's several facets of this. They were spotted in Los Angeles. And I sent you the Paparazzi photos and we tried to diagnose which neighborhood they in. Let's start there. Let's talk about where they are in. La The picture. There's two sets of Paparazzi photos. One is them leaving home on a slow on a very clear slope. So they're on a hill somewhere And then the other is then delivering meals in Burbank. And the clearly we're delivering meals in Burbank. Because they were next to like Zion's said Burbank. I looked it up the cool. That seems like a normal place to be delivering meals. I buy it where are they? Where are they currently saying so they were on a hell so that points to a couple of areas? I think it would be completely implausible that they are in Hollywood hills or above west. Hollywood like I'm the Sunset Plaza area because it's just There west side hustle issues. Obvious I agree with that. I think they're westside people because Meghan mother is she's aaliyah but she's on the West Side. I believe yeah. And there's there's more privacy and more mechanisms for them to stay relatively hidden on the side but I do agree when we were looking at the background of the photos they did have a certain. Hollywood hills vital to modern house. Yes it was a modern house that is common in the Hollywood hills. But I just don't I don't see that I guess you could. You can go over the hill and get to the valley fairly quickly but I think that would be so wild did. I just don't think Meghan would do that as she's very carefully cultivating her image. So I've been thinking about it. I think they're probably close to the getty up in those hills which is also wear like Jennifer Garner lives and for all five access but also close to the ocean. I think that makes that. They're probably not that close Jennifer Garner because if they were close to Jennifer Garner we would be aware of it because the Paparazzi are closer Jennifer Garner. Because they're also close to Ben Affleck and auto rbis rand so I think that's right that they're probably west side Ish. I they have to be in some sort of gated community. Yeah I think you're probably right. Yeah that's a good point. The other that's been rumored Is Beverly Park which is like at above Beverly Hills? Basically it's where it's where Villarosa or at least a banner pump lives is possible but I think they're probably like someone with good 4:05 access and in that also could be on the other side of the four or five which is like Belair Ash. Basically so I think they're either Brentwood Canyon or Belair. That's just my just my take. Have you noticed that? Do you think you're projecting at all? Because any time I ask you about where you would live given unlimited resources and or where you would recommend that celebrities or people with a lot of means live in Los Angeles four or five accesses a common theme with you. Yeah I think it's important for them. Okay expand on that for people who are not familiar with Los Angeles. It's a highway with Carpool Lane. Which is essential. It takes you valley for shopping and like Sushi. And it's just like a line of demarcation that I think people associate with. I think that if I was really rich I would live in those fields hills. Close to Griffith Park for probably or Melba. I have been running past that. I've been doing a lot of running on those feelers boulevard. Which is Bono says hills Because it's very wide and so you're able to keep a much further distance away from people except for cars. Go racing down those fields boulevard and yell at them if you have been driving down those boulevard and a woman has been saying rude things to you from behind your car. That's me just steph way I slowdown. There's room for everyone but it does look very beautiful in those hills. I think that's a great choice. That's Mark Ronson was living that is was living. Yeah where do you think they are? I think Westside Bel Air or similar someplace where there is space and also I do think. Some sort of gate gated community. Just some Bas- you know most of the celebrities. I have been thinking about gated communities because on the aforementioned runs that I'm going on I run by a very small gated community That's between Los Villas Boulevard and Franklin Avenue. In like it's Kinda Hollywood Hills East. Pretty it's between Hollywood hills and the lowest field is hells and I believe it is where Angelina Jolie lives and several other celebrities. But it's gated and they're they're very nice subtle gates that's where will be delivered right. Yes because that's Angelina. Jolie bought that house but it just is very clear and those are just. Those were the streets that I can't run down and that's fine. I have other streets that I can run down but I can't imagine them going with all of the speculation and the tabloids will they buy this Malibu House by that Malibu House and while they live here in there if there are other houses visible in the photos of the house? They're not buying it because they need a certain amount of physical barriers so I think probably somewhere in the west side hills is the best case for that. Yeah I agree with that and also like it's not likely but it's possible the house. They were photographed outside of their which brings us to the next photos earliest. Not where they're staying because it seems like there's some suggestions they staged the photos of them delivering the meals in Burbank. A what is the? What is the grounds for that? That because we got security cam footage and then there are Paparazzi photos. They seem aware of the Paparazzi. Yes just just that they were doing a good deed and they are caught in the act of of this. Instead of just basically like allowing for the I don't know if it's true basically setting up the photo op so that it wasn't so that security cam footage wasn't being sold essentially. Yeah I could see that. I wouldn't be surprised I will also say I. I have to imagine that are the single. Most in demand photograph that exists right now and Paparazzi need to to even if we don't we both consume their work and feel really queasy about it. I'M NOT GONNA pretend to be above Paparazzi photos when we spent ten minutes being like well. Do you think it's this neighborhood? We're really not but I'm conscious conscious of the conflict inherent there but so I do kind of think. At some point they were going to be found by the Paparazzi now were. They wasn't intentional that they were found doing charity work. Possibly but I'm also you know. They're out there delivering meals to people who need it and a time when we need to do that. And I'm just not going to criticize it at all. I think if you're listening to this and if you can either give to the ringers find your local food bank or two frontline workers or if you if there's anything you can do to help anyone in need right now that it's way more important than anything else we are discussing and so if they arranged it in order to remind people do that. That's fine. It's not what I would do. But it's fine. Okay yeah I agree with you. I mean they also they are staging photos. It's great to stage photos doing a good cause not going walking. Your dogs are going to get coffee or go down to walk you know. I think that like their intentions to do good are definitely there. They just make so many other bizarre choices and that leads to the statement they put out on Sunday night which with more context becoming a little clearer. Why did but it's still pretty strange. Let me just read it. It was longer than it needed to be. So we'll just read pieces of it. Essentially they put. They basically said they're no longer going to be complicit in working or in any way work with us on the Daily Mail the daily express and the Daily Mirror it also includes the Mail on Sunday which is part of the Daily Mail essentially and all right. So here's what they said as Duke and Duchess of Sussex now settle into the next chapter of their lives no longer receive any public support. We are writing to set a new media relations policies specifically as it pertains to your organization so this went to before outlets though. It doesn't necessarily say that in the statement like you. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex believe that a free press is a cornerstone to any democracy particularly in moments of crisis at its bassus per free press shines light on dark places telling stories that would otherwise go untold standing up for what's right challenging power and holding those who is a system to account. This is very Washington Post to them. Democracy dies and darkness Moving on we'll skip a few pieces here. It's gravely concerning that. An influential slice of the media over many years sought to insulate themselves from taking accountability for what they say or even when they not be distorted false or invasive beyond reason when powers enjoyed that responsibility trust we all place in this much-needed industries degraded. There's a real human cost to this way of doing business and it affects every corner of society. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have watched people they know as well as complete strangers have their lives pulled apart for no good reason other than the fact that salacious gossip boosts advertising revenue with that sad. Please note the Duke and Duchess of Sussex will not be engaging with your outlet. There'll be no cooperation in zero engagement. This is also a policy being installed for their communication teams in order to protect that team from the side of the industry that readers never see. That's kind of the most important paragraph They also said what they don't do offer themselves up. As a currency for the economy of Click Bait and distortion we are encouraged. This new approach will be heard and respected. So it's came out on Sunday night and was like pretty immediately derided by both fans and critics alike. Yes sir I mean this is timing and I think this goes for everything that they're doing which is just spectacularly bad timing and making things about them at a moment when just it's really were not focusing on these petty problems and we're not focusing on these issues. We have larger problems and more important people. Focus our attention on but they they do. I feel for them. It is bad timing. The reason that they released this on Sunday night it came out or my best. Guess probably has something to do with the fact that they're the first hearing and their lawsuit against the Daily Mail. Is this week this coming Friday? And since this statement The court documents that had to be submitted for that hearing have started making their way into the press and there are a lot of the text messages and personal communications between Megan. Markle and Harry and her father and Other information that I'm sure that they don't want out in. That is being raked through in the Daily Mail and every other tabloid and and that you know I have read and you have read so at some point if they can't control the timing of the court hearing which apparently happening like via zoom conference then. They can't control that. This information is coming out and it is personal and I do understand wanting to do something. I wouldn't have done this personally. I still think they're getting like absolutely terrible advice. Just like the worst. Yeah absolutely I also think why. Couldn't they have acknowledged that this information is coming out like? I think it would've been better to be like our our court case in our continued fight for our privacy and to uphold the laws of the UK continues this week and as a result sensitive personal materials will be disclosed. We ask that you respect our privacy while Blah Blah. I mean I think it's completely reasonable to be unhappy that these that this information is coming out. These communications are coming out. I think it's completely reasonable to want privacy and you know. Obviously there's like a fine line as we love to dissect all removes but like try to do it from a safe distance and respect that I think to like continually trying to like make what they think. Believed TO BE PROACTIVE statements. About like what they will not be doing is so it comes off as a juvenile and entitled and I think that's the real that's really the essence of it is like it just feels amateurish and like not fully thought through. Yes they're trying to be both above it and get reap all the benefits from it and it's a very have your cake and eat it to situation and you just can't do that. I agree with you. It's perfectly reasonable to express your dismay that this information is coming out in public and that everyone is allowed to read it. I also would be upset. I do believe that as members and benefactors from their royal trust they had like a certain responsibility to the public but it does not involve a private conversations with your parents. It does not there is a line. There is a basic right to privacy. That was not respected here. So I think even you know suing the press gets in like icky or iffy territory right now for larger reasons that we really don't get into in this podcast but I also understand the case that they have against the Daily Mail. I just don't understand why you can't say were suing because we don't like what happened and then after you win you say we won an hour no longer going to be speaking with them right. It's just this whole thing of making a big to do of what you're not going to do. Just draws attention to it creates a vacuum that people can fill with all sorts of things. And it just doesn't make any strategic sense. Yeah the other thing is already said this. They said this in January. They're not cooperating with the railroad so we get it we know that already and also the best way to not cooperate is not just to ignore them just stopped giving them the access and they won't then they won't really have the stories and they'll have less ammo against you. I don't I don't understand why they usually proclaim things all the time. They're no longer royal proclamations not necessary. Yeah I agree with that and you know. It's a little bit like the conversation we were having last week. Ignore ignore pretend that things don't exist whether it's a commentator or the Daily Mail because they've that's the only power you have and getting someone to go away is not giving them attention if you give them any attention. It keeps fueling them now. I do understand in both cases. Actually why would personally be very hard to do that like especially the Daily Mail and the UK tabloids are going to keep covering them regardless. And they're gonNA keep being vicious and unfair and probably printing a lot of lies and printing a lot of things. That are just unfair. And if you're you know you're a human being and I think you can to some extent feel like the humanity and the outrage in this of just like. Please stop doing this. Please stop interviewing my you know half sister or whatever who just says terrible things about me all like that is human and I really get it and it is very hard to sit not respond to those things and that's why you need a PR team and that's why you need a bunch of intermediaries to be handling it for you so that you don't swing at every pitch but yeah you just can't just don't do it. Ignore it as best you can. Because that is the only way that they will lose power bright and there needs to get their side of the story out. There is like so intense. But you know you just gotTa let it go guys. Just I understand how hard of that is like. I know that look very easy for me to say that but I don't think they're doing themselves a lot of favors. No one does the other. Tricky thing here is that there is like wanting an invasion of privacy and just wanting the attention to go away and there is wanting attention on your own terms and this seems if it were just the former. I think we will get your statements. I think we would. Honestly we would see last pop razzi photos but it just is this sense that it's not. It's not that they want to hide. It's that they want to be living on exactly their own terms and on the one hand I get it. I WANNA live on my own terms as everyone in my life knows every single day but they really want the attention and they want to be able to to benefit from the attention and there is something that just seems like misguided about their strategy and also again at this particular moment. It's not really. It's not what anybody wants. Nobody really wants to be giving them attention right now. We have more pressing issues and it would be a great time for them to actually have a functioning charity or arm or something where they could use their platform to focus attention more towards causes that need it right now and they don't and so again that's a little bit timing on a little bit bad planning and a little bit and a lot very very bad press strategy. But it's it's not what you want. No it's certainly not and then I my favorite updates been Harry. Come from Jane Goodall. Whenever she did she says it. Harry misses the UK. But like of course she's lived their whole life and now he doesn't so. I don't know it's very hard to know like what's actually happening that who knows I was thinking. Can you imagine how weird it must be to go through this for both of them? This tremendous life change and then as soon as it happens you know the whole world changes to and they're just in some rented house. I guess they've just been in various rented houses for the past two years. Yeah and they are more use than others to not really being out in the world and to being cut off from people. I guess that's sad but must be very strange to be so far from home. Yes especially when yet? I mean you know his his dad had it. Oh it's so weird and his dad and his prime minister but I suppose I duNNo. I hope they're happy and I think that's also gonNA continue to get uglier as the Court case goes on. I hope that they hire some publicist. Some real better. Some different ones from the people who are currently advising them because it's not working. No more statements do just just do what you can i. Yeah I feel for them but also they opened this lawsuit. You Know Yeah I. It's not even really the lawsuit that is necessarily bothering me. It's it's it's everything else. Yeah keep your head down and try to help other people Harry Meghan Good Luck. We will continue to look at photos of you and Phil Phil. Mixed about it. But let's be honest. We'll keep looking like all we can do is be honest. We're GONNA keep okay exactly all right. Let's move on but I got a new shell. Hey what's up everybody? I'm to Mel Hill and I'm Ben late to introduce new podcast. The wire way down in the hole we're going to recap breakdown in analyze every episode of the iconic. Hbo Hit series. The wire starting from the beginning with sees a one first episode. Hit you on April fifty. Every podcast episode will include Recap Signature moments foreshadowing key character deep dive little known facts and also awards such as we love your show. But the stringer bill. Fuck boy award my personal favorite episode and more so subscribe to the wire way down in a hole on spotify apple podcast or wherever. You get your podcast. We'll see you in west Baltimore on April fifteen. Subscribe to the wire way down on the whole wherever you get your podcasts and now Amanda last week we spent an inordinate amount of time or perhaps a reasonable amount of time on Brad Pitt. He was on celebrity. Iou and since then. Nancy Meyers has caught this show. I want to say I was very touched by the many many jam session listeners. Who Sat me and you this. Nancy Meyers Instagram Post. I felt seen and known and understood from faraway. So thank you to everyone. Yes over the weekend. Nancy Meyers posted on instagram. I will just a video of Brad Pitt. Hugging one of the property brothers and it's a clip from celebrity. I owe you. And here's the caption. I'm on day. Forty one of my quarantine so I maybe seeing things but it seems Brad Pitt is on property brothers. Whoever did this for me? Thank you multiple exclamation points. Sound up all caps Bingo exclamation point. Great stuff absolutely love it. Ansi Myers is like in the great category of people over fifty using instagram. Who are sort of like sharing their the delights. They come across as they happen. And you know it is delightful the sort of the distance with the platform but the genuine nature of the message is very pleasant and I recommend following Nancy buyers. I really do. I have a request which I understand that. Nancy Meyers is a film director and not an architect and builder in any way. But I do feel that a Nancy Meyers director's commentary of celebrity. Iou would be content. That I personally would really enjoy. And so it seems like she's in quarantine. She has some time if anyone listening knows. Nancy just consider it. I Bet Nancy has some thoughts on Santa Monica Flatlands. You know what I'm saying. There's hard to fathom that she hasn't had a design show. The homes are a hallmark of her her movies. Let's get her and her production designer onto a TV show. I think it's a great idea. I mean seriously that person. It's got to be the same person all the time. Haven't looked into this but I just assume continuity of aesthetic. You know let's start with a three minute instagram video. That Nancy Meyers can do from home. Nancy I believe in you Brad Pitt also popped up on some good news. The John Krasinski web show. That is very charming and as Brad Pitt. It's really we should just say also on this show he hosted a stay at home prom from billy eyelash and the Jonas brothers I mean people are really committing to some good news. As is John Krasinski. Who's just all in? I didn't used to like John Krasinski. And now I've had to revise my opinion also because it seems like everyone else likes him like famous people not famous. People everyone yeah. I slight the Homespun vibe of this still. It seems like he was like I don't know I should just try this and everyone else is like. Yeah Okay John. We'll try it with you. It's like it's like the Gal Gadot. Imagine gone right sort of right. I just like you must be so bummed that a quiet place to didn't come out and he probably carved out all this mental energy being promotional front and center mode that he was like a here. What should I do with this but I really admire that? Instead of sulking or being movie got delayed and I don't have anything to do. I don't know that I would find the positive energy to do something but I admire that he did and I really admire that. He Got Brad Pitt to do the weather. Which of all the Cameos of course this is. It's like that's three second cameo that I want to focus on but it was really important because it really is just like a now the weather and it's three seconds of Brad Pitt. Sticking his head outside of home and being like it's Nice And then it's over that's it and he's he's wearing the same hat. It's a new brand. Because he's wearing a sweater amid green crew neck sweater. It looks like kind of a very vintage J. Crew Nineties J. crew situation which I really liked and I would love to bring back for myself and for others in my life and it was definitely analyzing the skyline behind it to try to figure out where exactly Brad is located. Though I I do know that he is along the hills east from where I am a bit. I have a general sense of his location but was confirmed it was a little bit lower in the hills than I expected to be. Quite honest looks like an arts and crafts style house to me. Just based on the very little we can see yeah which is But again I'm assuming that it's his house because everyone's at their home right now but Brad Pitt is one of those people who own three to four houses in the neighborhood. I know that he is also friends with several other people in the neighborhood. I believe that is also where David French our lives. I'm told that SODERBERGH is around there as well so he could be. You know borrowing someone else's home the likelihood that we are seeing Brad Pitt's actual living quarters to me seems quite small. Even in special circumstances he is very private and I think he knows better than that. But it looked lovely. Yeah it does. It does look lovely. Also who doesn't want to bring back J. crew of like the turn of the century Great Times Great Chunky cotton? It's sweaters which I happen to love. Personally I love J. crew from like nineteen like when the Pacey and Joey Catalogue of Nine Hundred Zero Creek Cadillac worse of more doing oral history of that catalog so that exist that was really really formative for me and I definitely. I'm sorry for the children who are listening to this. Who weren't born then? Also I guess thanks for listening to old old people do a podcast but that was very formative catalog for me. That specific Dawson's creek one but also all of them. I mean I remember. I bought so many ill-fitting Khakis because I was like. I think this is how I need to look and I need to try out the different shades of the Khaki Elsa the color naming was so evocative in the cloud and album and it spoke to me. It's best young letters definitely see phone green. Yes yeah moving along. Let's talk about some things that were we're into right now like I don't know what you're what are you reading right now. Manda Right now. I am reading this sequel to a year in Provence by Peter Male. Have you ready your progress? I have not. I've heard good sue. It's something that had been recommended to me by several people as kind of like escapist French travel literature I watched under the Tuscan Sun a few weeks ago and everyone was like okay but a urine provides is actually make sense and is better which having now readier prevents. I can confirm that. That's true but yeah so it's it's about a British man and his husband who I think in the late in the early nineties moves to provide a house and it's just about his first year renovating the House and Learning About Provence. Senate is entirely escapist and really lovely and I found myself looking forward to reading it at the end of the day because it was so soothing and then I would like stop reading to explain to Zach like how you hunt truffles. And why did you know that? Do you know the number one problem with using a pig to hunt. Truffles know what he might eat it. Yeah and then you have to fight the pig to get the truffle away but obviously pigs are quite large so then. You're like wrestling a pig. So people prefer to use dogs that have been trained like pigs or whatever. I know a lot about trough hunting. If in the ninety S if people want to ask me so I I finished reading. It was very delightful and my next big. Reading project is actually that. I'm GonNa read Wolf all mental and then I'm GonNa read bringing up the bodies which is the second and the third in the trilogy just came out so I'm going to try to do all three. That's like my ambitious reading but I guess it was Sunday night. I was supposed to start my ambitious reading. And instead of starting my ambitious reading downloaded to your boss this sequel to which I have to tell you. It's kind of like disconnected essays. It's really peak. This book did really well so I guess I'll just you know empty the contents of my new book yet. It's not as good but I'm having a lovely time. What what I'm reading planning to read. Okay great love it. I don't remember why but somehow I think we'll get back into some Sarah vowel. Who's like one of my favorite writers and I'm reading partly cloudy Patriot. Which is her essay collection from. Two Thousand Two. And it's just great. I'm also really liking reading. Essays like reading to time and then putting them down and like having a lot of like small bites to come to and Sarah vowels my idol like just in terms of body of work and the way that she thinks and I'm really enjoying reading some like uncomplicated. American history with like injections of like pop ideas and I really recommend that. She's just the absolute best. I just feel like I don't know if I could be someone else. It would be Sarab al. Probably I really love that for you. I'd like to have her mind. I was also going to say I would love for you to have her incredible money but yet to both would be great for you. I also admire Sarah. I have found that I have been doing comfort reading before this. I I had life after life by Kate Atkinson on my IPAD and it was late at night and I don't know I just started reading it and then three days later I had reread the whole thing and that is a very upsetting book. I was about to say it is a interesting book to read Right Out. There are some parallels and but. I find I find the way that she writes comforting if not the subject matter so and it was familiar and then I did move from that to a year provides so I'm not trying that hard everybody but yeah I mentioned the Wolf Project because maybe people here will hold me to some sort of accountability. Now that I've said it out loud the other thing just to follow up so we talked about Camilla. Parker Bowles is reading list last week two weeks ago recently on the podcast and I was very excited as I imagined on the podcast and I went to my trusty libby APP. The library was very sure that I would be able to get all of these books like fourteen week waits for all of the Camilla Books. They are extremely and demand. Camilla Parker Bowles is influence is quite strong and or she's picking books that are very popular that I'd never heard of but so weightless for like five different books but the earliest one is going to come in a month so I have to find some way to fill the. How will you feel your time? Well probably by reading one hundred pages of Wolf Hall and checking the Libya everyday being like. Is it ready? Is it ready? And then maybe one day it will be anyway. I'd like to recommend to you. The new show ethics Belgravia Julian fellowes. Down Abbey's new show. Yes I watched two episodes last night. And it's like just as you'd expect from Julian fellowes like a a a very beautifully designed and spoken and British accents. Soap Opera and man is a great. I love it. It's really good to crucial characters. Die In the first episode. So that's all you need to know. I believe it or not have actually read Belgravia the Julian fellowes novel wow this is adapted from Julian. Fellowes has several novels that I recommend to people they are the Julian fellowes experienced by in novel form. You know again. It's not Kate Atkinson but they're pretty good so I'm looking forward to it. I just kind of have to arrange my various streaming services so that I'm able to watch it but that's definitely on my list there's a free epochs trial on Youtube. Tv right outs. It's really great. Okay that's great to know. Have you been watching Mrs America? No going to. Its next on my list to deal you know I am. I've really been enjoying reading. I feel like I. It was hard for me the beginning of quarantine but now especially with essays. It's Real I've really been getting into it. I'm like Oh fifteen minutes like Oz reading asa and that's been really nice. Yeah I also finally got to a place where I could boast read and I have been watching more movies which is good. Because I'm supposed to for work but MS America's the first TV show that. I'm like oh I'm I'm excited to watch this. That's great that's a nice feeling it's about Phyllis schlafly and whereas Steinem and the fight about the IRA in the seventies and it starts. Kate Blanchett is Phyllis Schlafly and Rose Byrne as Gloria Steinem and everyone in every other not every other but many actresses who you admire are in the show and it's very smart and while made so I recommend it. It's fun it's on Hulu I'm in. I'm I'm definitely planning to watch it. It's been really a lot of TV. I caught up in Westworld so I've just been busy. I'm not caught up on Westworld. You don't need to catch me up your top celebrity instagram right now. Thanks so much for asking I still if I had to pick one place other than my home to be. And this isn't one of those things which like pick a table even though you know what? I think those are kind of fun. I always know exactly what table I would sit at. It's very clear today but this is not a pick a table this just if I had to be anywhere else it would be in the Union Wade household. They seem to be having a great time. Eilly do they're just they'RE TWAIN. Wade was like cooking deep. Fried Red Velvet Orioles the other week. He was just doing cooking tutorial for no reason and they're playing games. They're in the pool. They're making means I just. I would like to be a part of that household. It's every day I go to check in and I'm glad that I did. I'd like to be in a home. That has the Peleton. I think we can assume that. Have one similarly. I feel like I usua- curry's like having a great time in quarantine is well not to say great but like first of all. She looks great these days. She clearly pull really committed to working out a lot. I know she has Palestine I think she cooks lots like their home. Seems good as well wants to meals for me. I'm really getting sick of taking care of my own meals. It's like my least favorite part of life right now. I'm enjoying it but as you know I like cooking so I find a ridiculous amount of a brain. Real estate is committed to. What will I make for the next meal? And when am I gonNA start making it and and I'm trying to you know? Avoid waste and make the best of the resources. So it's like a puzzle of like how will I use this little bit of this? Can I do this? And maybe if I'd like pickled onions I can put them in this other thing Pickering London's pretty easy. Did you know he didn't yeah? You just pour vinegar over onions and Polo salt and sugar. If you want. That's that there was a great episode of the Magic School bus about pickling about cucumber into a jar so that's the basis of my information about pickling in general. I mean that's that's it. That's how you do it so. I have been enjoying it but it was already a hobby and like something that I enjoyed in a way. I just find that my brain shuts off like when I'm shopping signing. It's one of the only times that I just actually not thinking. So that's good and mileage may vary. Can I tell you the other thing I really got into you? Yeah okay well you brought up the Peleton and it made me think of this so my preferred exercises running and when I can run in Los Angeles safely and medicines. I've been doing that but it's like Ben Rainy and I find that exercise is like I'm in a better mood. After I do it. You can know the days when I didn't exercise so Kenmore. Now who is a media personality from the two thousands turned author and basketball fan and ringer fan? Thank you Martin L. She was one of the early. This was not a name back then really but she was one of the beauty bloggers. She was and she. If you're interested in media stuff. I recommend her book had a wreck. Your Life it's very niche but she has a particular voice anyway. I follow cat on twitter and she recommended the workout videos of a celebrity trainer named Kit Rich. Who IS JENNIFER? Lawrence's trainer among ratings and a great name Kit Rich. It is a great name and cat was saying that the videos are thirty minutes long. Because that way you'll do them and that was really appealing to me. And that I just Kinda felt that Cap Martin Allen I would have the same tolerance for bullshit in this particular area and so one day when it was pouring. I haven't gone outside. I was like okay. I'm going to be influenced by Cameron and I'm going to do this video. Which is on Youtube? You can find it on Youtube. I put it on my TV. I loved it. I can't stand this sort of stuff as you know. I hate organized anything but especially finished glasses. I you are one of the only people who has ever got me to go to a soul cycle class and I did it with you because I like doing things with you I. I have otherwise not gone back because I really don't like people telling me what to do. I loved K. Rich I just really liked provide. It was thirty minutes as promised which is really useful. It was incredibly hard and I did the modified version of the workout. For at least fifty percent and really seventy-five if we're being honest but there was just something that was not annoying about her. When she was giving you encouragement I was like okay. I will accept your encouragement. It's very hard for me to accept encouragement from people so if now is finding someone who's like positive affirmations you find palatable that's the key to a workout class like Howard the affirmations delivered does it sync up for your personal needs right and again. I JUST WANNA say thirty minutes that which is just. You can do it for thirty minutes as soon as you get to forty five. I'm like well that's a lot of time and I don't really know whether I have that kind of time but I don't know if you also benefit from an endorphin boost or looking for something else to do. I really recommend kit rich. Thank you to get rich. Thank you thank you to Jennifer Lawrence. I guess I also could understand how she fits with Jennifer Lawrence. It was a little bit of a. I WANNA say not taking it too seriously. Was the vibe while also being a good workout I don't WanNa. She was ahead of her time. But I feel that I have a new appreciation for Jennifer Lawrence. I feel stick has become really commodified in a way. And she's no longer doing it which I appreciate but like she was really into vendor pump rules very early she was. She was fairly early in terms of like being cited to meet Kris Jenner. Sort of like being the relatable celebrity is now such like a normal state of celebrity that I think we take it for but she was kind of early. Yes I think that's a great point and I think this confirmed to me that she has good taste and she's doing it out of her own interest in authenticity. It's like I was like oh I get it. I understand why this works Rio and I and I kinda like it too so I'm gonNA check it out. I've only done one can rich video which is like the most popular one. But I'm thinking about trying another one. Youtube is that where you go. It's just on. I mean you can find her website. But she has a youtube channel and they're all right there and their thirty minutes. I think she's also been doing some live streaming during the during the Corinthian has also been doing some stuff with. I think. Baby the baby which is a Charity that a lot of celebrity mothers specifically work with but seems to do great work. So you can do that and support a good cause and also feel like Jennifer Lawrence for thirty minutes. I'd love to. I'M GONNA check that out. Thank you for the recommendation. Thank you everyone for listening. And we'll be back next week. Hopefully I present them Harry News. Well also hopefully other topics as well who knows the celebrity landscape holds by Amanda Juliette?

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Stephen Amell Returns

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

1:35:52 hr | 1 year ago

Stephen Amell Returns

"You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum Ryan Tastes Aliabad. Good Happy New Year. Happy New Year to you We did did the Best of two thousand nineteen last week. It was WHO's great I really like it? Thank you for putting that together knows an easy. Bryce you guys Worked hard to get that L.. Figured out but we hadn't done something like that and people do that and I thought it'd be fun to do a top thirteen in you know it was fun. It was fun. Yeah we figured it out right. Yeah me I figured it out but I look I want to say hello shoutout to everybody that keeps supporting the show the Patriots the patrons. I love you guys Thank you for subscribing. and Oh you know giving your money to show that you love and You believe in and that means a shit ton more than you can possibly imagine. You know it's been a good year so far. Look it's just started a lot of good stuff coming up with With the PODCAST. Got Some great guests really great guests and we're doing the video and we're going to transition position in the video and I hope that works. I hope that gives us a bigger even a bigger audience and You know it's worth a shot. Isn't it Ryan. I think so all the kids are doing it and and The show won't lose anything other than still listen to it and all your platforms and then I can also watch it on Youtube at some point. Correct indeed indeed so I will be in Portland. With Tom. Welling my cohort on January twenty four th for the wizard gone or whatever so get your tickets. Were doing a smallville nights. We did the Improv show. So get your tickets go to wizard. WORLD DOT COM. You'll figure it out on my twitter. Whatever also be in Mexico March thirteenth? Yeah ooh that whole week and Tom. Tom And I will be there. We're finally going to Mexico. We have a lot of Mexican friends and I'm excited about that. I love I love Spanish. I love learning Spanish. 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We did a new one on the pure wellings the evil now and you can get that go to knocking. Point Dot com use my code and which You'll just look on on twitter instagram. You'll get a discount on that on the subscription but it's bad ass. We sold out last year in pretty sure what itself this year so so. That's pretty much that you know this guest. Today I liked that he likes me. You want to be liked and I feel like this guest is someone who you know. Probably gets asked to do tons of interviews interviews and stephen a male and he gets you know but he we had a connection. I don't know what it was the first episode. He says I like your questions. I like your the way you handle interview and I was like wow. This is great and he came back and I I must have caught him at a crazy time. I did catch him in a crazy time. Ryan and you were here and he was talking about life and he just seemed like he was just finishing up season eight of Arrow his final season. He looked a little tired. Still still gorgeous still gorgeous and I could just tell something was a little off. He was more emotional. He made it very clear that he was just very tired. He had just had it like you know I can't even imagine I'm I'm single guy here And you know white eighth kid back and forth in Coober. You're the lead you're holding in your constantly doing fight scenes 'cause he loves to do his own fight scenes. Yeah I think you look academy. I think this is just the perfect human being the perfect specimen this is like the Yvonne Drago and Rocky Four. But things start to unwind in the first half of this interview review. Let's just say things interesting. I wasn't surprised as much as Ryan was. Ryan was a little. You were nervous. You didn't you didn't you. Didn't know what to do. You had an experienced. People like sort of He was falling apart like right in front of us. Yes it was falling apart a little bit and I think he was just trying to keep it together. I don't know why he showed up for the podcast than I kept joke with them in the second half of this interview. But you'll hear about all of it and I'm glad that he was a sport and you got to hear the before and after so this is a two parter so let's get. It's my pawn. You're listening to you inside of you with Michael Rose back inside of you with Michael. Rosenbaum was not recorded in front Annaba live studio audience. You're just looking at a picture of the first x amount of guests I had on the show and you're one of the only three people have come on twice. That's exactly why in Tom. Welling that set and you live so close. She could come really every day if you want. Do you want me to do. You think we'd want shit to say maybe I don't know I think just in the kitchen. Now he could have probably had a conversation for a good four minutes. When did you move up from because last time we did this we were down in the The basement wanted to be a little more intimate but the real reason was I felt like all that she had to be put out. Guests would come and then not that I would. You have to put it back but I put some of it back share right so I felt like the move everything here you just walk in. You're ready to go get what do you think do you like this. You feel claustrophobic doc. I'm we're mostly worried about keeping my keeping close to the microphone as possible and that's an important. David go drifting for BURP. You don't worry too. I've worked in the last book you don't do many podcasts. Haven't done a podcast did your podcast is a true. No you did you won. You did Anna Farris at the time. Because that's when you told her that I was one of the best podcasts out there I just Wanna I just remember that. Yeah but that was like I like doing it. But that was a requirement that was is a comic con thing. All the on affairs was so it was fun. It was nice but it was you. You didn't WanNa do it. I was I was in different. I would've I wouldn't have seeked it out. I remember membership civically wanting to do your podcast. Really why is that. We didn't really know each other. But why did you want to do my podcast. Because you think you're pretty fucking good at the I like the interviews. You seem to get people to share stuff that wouldn't necessarily share a little a little frightened. You don't need to be frightened. You really don't need to be frightened. It's just there's so much to talk to you about and I I you know I had just print all this stuff out but I didn't even look at it because it doesn't really really matter I know enough about you but you're interesting and I will tell you this. This is completely non sequitur. My French Roy he He said something that enough I told you about but he was like. Yeah you know heard Stevens a little intense on the Arrow set or this was years ago. This is many years ago and you you you discuss this. Yeah it's like. Yeah Yeah I don't know is nice guy or like he listened to the podcast. Oh and said boy was I wrong. This guy's awesome. You know when I started aero we talked about this before I definitely gripped a little bit too tight. You know like noise onset phones interest to you the lead. It's a new do things. I'm J- I wasn't I also you know. Relatively speaking wasn't as mature and that really changed around season three and yet I wore that fucking reputation until until we finish the show. You Hey ever if you ever hear you will never hear a bad thing about me from from the aero crew never from cast ever never. My reputation is rumor and Innuendo. That's that's what I'm getting. It is not deserved. It fucking pisses note does and that's why I knew I could bring it up to you yet because I know you and I know what it's like to be on set for hours upon hours and the The the pressure in my theory is that if you If somebody says oh I met this one actor on the street and he was Kinda rude you maybe a bad day I never. I never believed that Shit. You always give the now if people person after person start coming. It's always one guy. One story it sort of evolved. I have never ever treated anyone that I work with anything less than the utmost respect Katherine McNamara. I'm GonNa tell hey this now. I interviewed her. And I think here's GonNa air before hers but it doesn't Matter K.. I asked her. I didn't ask you anything about you really other than you know. Just Regular Shit Her dad on the show. Yes that's true but I said WHO's your favorite? Because I don't want to know who's your look really look forward to working with every day it can be many people. Just throw the first person that comes to your mind. She has stephen she said Stephen did did she. Not Ryan you were. There was an hour ago. It wasn't going remember it. Well how does that make you feel. It makes me feel good very very aware that there's only so much talk about your reputation that you can control. I just know that that everyone that everyone that worked on Arrow casting crew when we announced that it was going to be the final season and that we were going to be ten episodes every single show in Vancouver immediately tried to hire our crew. You're like by going. Well you're you're only going to do ten episodes come with US do twenty two. They stayed. Everyone stayed because I asked them to. I feel like I earned it. I fucking love that yet and you say that was convenient you you believe because you know you know to be true I would say the same thing Katherine said something not to toot our own. Fuck it she was like you know. Oh my God I was talking to Jd. And I was talking to so and so and my other crew shadow hunters and this and they all knew you and they all were telling stories. McCall faulk who are they saying. No they all admire you. What how would troy ever wears? Where's troy from? I'm just curious as to where he's getting his information ask them you know what I mean. Well that's the thing I think he was doing extra work on Arrow okay. He's look he's a great guy. I love you troy. He knows that I'm a nerd but he's nerds predominance. Okay this guy is this guy. He dresses up to do renaissance shows. I love it. I think it's great. He's he's a great friend he's smart. He's a good actor years ago he was an extra something and I think somebody said something or somebody. You know people gossip people talk but he didn't say you were a bad guy. He just said I wonder what he's like in in person. Because I you know it seemed like maybe maybe there was some difficulty early on sure. Yeah early on it was a little. I was a little quick tempered but I don't take any of it back would drives you crazy. What like upsets you? That you know is is warranted. That's worthy of like you know what let me guess. Probably when you're walking onset and now you're waiting thirty minutes when they said they're ready to shoot. It probably bothers this shit does it really does. Especially when you're the lead actor on a show like I said before I I I I spoke to the like you know to a man I spoke to the crew early on. And it's like do you guys want to break for fifteen minutes every day and talk about our feelings or do you want to get get this shit done because we just have to come back the next day and I know this is true. I did annoy the crew right because I had. This encyclopedic knowledge of the show. And if we were doing something and it didn't track it didn't match up. It didn't fit with continuity I would put my foot down until we got it right See we're getting somewhere. And so but here's what would happen. Twenty different times a crew members. Come up to being gone. You know. It's really fucking annoying when you do do that but you know what's most annoying about it. I go no and they go. You're always fucking right so we it's like it's it's annoying but we begrudgingly. Accept that you're doing it in servitude to the show and I. I believe wholeheartedly. I'm never that guy which is probably annoying the other way I go the opposite opposite direction where I'm like you know. What do you mean can example? I was playing There's an episode where I plays odd. Yeah right and I remember to welling I go. Guess what Bro. I guess getting paid twice on this episode is like who is why. I'm playing LEX planes lanes odd. They paid you twice. No no okay. Okay and on top of it. I saw Christopher Walken and some talk show and he goes. I don't read scripts CBS. You're gonNA find out what happens anyway. My scenes had nothing to do with Tom Really. I didn't need to know anything about out his world because not knowing other than what I was supposed to know as as the character my character came in I want I a lot of times. I didn't know it was going on. Yeah but you read every script every script well your Arrow you have to. I didn't have to do that. But if I'm reading every script and you but you went above because you you learned everything there was to know about Oliver Queen an Arrow in the universe crash right. Yup so you'd say what's something that in retrospect annoyed Loyd someone that you said something that you can remember that you know. Oliver wouldn't say that or do that. or where that what was it. I can't remember any specific instance but I'd actually actually have the script supervisor. They would come asking me questions they'd be like hey what happened. I'll go in season two episode thirteen. This person said had this to another person. That's what we can't do it the way that it's written and you need to make a change. You're aware are you that I think that takes a certain brilliant as though doesn't it I mean like is or is that just. You're so aware you're so disciplined and your and you have a good memory. I have shipped memory with regular stuff like I forget all the time. I'm terrible with people's names. It's my last name Rosenbaum. Remember his name. You almost said it. Craig Craig Creek Chris Ryan yet buck. Sandy I'm back. Danny met him once. It was quick and by the way last time there was another dude sitting there. Yeah that's not. Your fault still bugs me do you cry. I mean I know you cry. Probably when your kid was born on try credit your wedding. I've cried twice today. What you're a liar? I'm not lying. I'm worried that I'm going to cry during this podcast. You're not gonna cry but if you cry you're comfortable trouble because you know me I don't Joe I cry you cry but tell me why you cried about today. I have really really been struggling with the end of the show. I'm mentally exhausted and My wife forced me to go to the force me to go to the doctors say because she was she was worried that something was was actually wrong with me and I said that I think is wrong with me. I'm just tired. I'm like I don't want to go to the doctor. She got really mad at me and she told me to get my shit together and that really set me off because I was yeah. I was literally sitting on the ground. I've gone down a couple of times over the past few weeks. Sound down down to a dark place. Yeah couple of weeks ago. I spent a My family was going out to palm springs and I took my wife thrown like I can't even get myself off the ground right now late on the couch for two days denise. I'm in a state of morning and it's really tough. I also feel as though I need to mentally reset if I could if I could if I could do it again. I rapped air on the fifteenth of November. If I could do it again I would've obs- candid with my family. I'd be in Africa right now on safari with no phone. I just feel like I've been trying to do things for people for the past eight years and I just need a fucking break. I want to be a dad. I WANNA be a husband out even really talk to my friends that much. I sneak a break and I cried about it twice today. Just randomly life life. Yeah and I still don't like crying in front of my wife that much. There's something about it that that feels emasculating. That that's stigma. That's yeah I I know I'm wrong. It doesn't mean that I don't feel that way right. You know what I mean. It's still hard even you know like it shouldn't be wronged crying in front of someone but there's a certain perception option or there's maybe it's all you've ever know what your data cryer. Yeah I remember the first time my dad cried in front of me he cried. He cried. After my great grandfather his grandfather call them and saying happy birthday and he was telling me about it and then grabbed my hand and I looked up and he was crying and I never seen my dad cry. I didn't know that adult men could cry. I've never seen my dad cry. How do you not never? It's jarring the first time that you see. It's it's a I mean. Ah We never forget it. Never I was. I was twelve years old. Remember it to this day sitting at the kitchen table. Do you realize that this is already the best podcast I've ever had really you know why because I don't know if it's that I caught you in a time of just pure vulnerability but it is so it's it's it's just it's powerful in a sense that I I remember just leaving a show. I wasn't even lead and I remember partly it's like it's all over and I know in a away you're like I want to go back to being a father. I want to be married and your late but regardless underneath all that is that is the end of something. The you've been a part of I I don't know Oh maybe a fifth of your life something like that Well I mean I'm twenty twenty twenty five percent twenty eighty five so to end something like that to then say okay. Let's go back to the world back to life. I don't WANNA go back. I want I want to go on indication. You want to go on vacation. Where do you want to go to Africa? You WanNa do. Something retrospect. I mean I'm going away. We're taking our daughter to Disney. We're going to spend Christmas in London anytime some someone would ask something of me for the past month. I'm I'm like offended. You know what I mean like. Leave me alone doing a land. Doing it's just been people constantly fucking telling me what I have to do. I don't have to do shit now. I need to be a husband and a father bother. That's a decent friend. That's an a son that's all I need hardly and I'm not a doctor. Yeah I've been the many but you know so you need to do you need to take care of your fuck himself. I know before you could take care of your your family. And that's why your wife is probably that's why she's like like Oh just see somebody because I'm worried about you and I'm not a doctor. So of course that comes Outta love. Of course it comes out and it's like she's genuinely worried about worse and I'm worried about you. I'm looking at you but I'm worried about you in a way that I know a few months from now that you're GonNa you're GONNA be great. You're going to be recharged urged. You're going to be happy. You're gonNA feel like God. I feel like a great data right now if I have the energy to do things yeah You know and that that's just the reality. That's not me trying to make you feel good. That's like it's GonNa take some urine morning of a show that was part of your life from a quarter of your life you are also physically and mentally spent ent- There are moments in my life where that's what happened. That's why I went to that clinic. You know I told you that. Yeah I that's why I went man. I I've considered considered going to something like that. You know what it's the the best thing I could have done for me. I think you've always like had a good grasp. Ask of like who you are. I think you are more mature than I am. I think you had good role models. I think you're probably loved a little more than or at least felt more love than I was. So what I'm saying is I don't think I really grew up at all until I went to this place and realized things that I never when they said things like. Hey you're relearning stopped them with tears amount and said No. I'm fucking learning. I'm learning for the first time I may first grader in art class class and I'm sitting here with a woman who's patient. Who's looking at me? And so it was life changing for me. It really was and I have a lot of work to do and and I'm just like going when you go. I went in July for twenty two days. She's swimming. They say it takes twenty one days to break a habit right shirt so that was did. They say that. I didn't know that when I went there. Okay I felt like I was in fact I remembered you know I said something to. I've never really I haven't talked. I don't think as much about this but I will with you because you're being as vulnerable so I'll be just as I remember I walked in there and I sat down with one of the therapists and I go. I don't expect you to be able to help me. You have people in here. That are rock bottom with drugs. Now Kahal no not really on any of that stuff takes some sleeping pills ZANEX and I'm just like I don't I'm we'll fucking lost man. I am a lost fuck in Seoul and I'm tired of feeling sorry for myself. I don't reach out to anybody really because they I can't even articulate what's going on in my head I can't even put sentences together to tell someone how actually feeling because it goes in so many different directions. One of my friends went there and I go he he was really low. This person went there and they were fucking low. I I'm not as low as that but I'm probably I duNNo. I remember saying if this person was a a to I was probably. I'm like a four. Maybe yeah when I left that place. The woman sat me down. She's remember coming in here and saying you know all all these things she yeah she goes. You were lower than your friend and that I immediately started crying because someone acknowledged how how I've been feeling they actually understood that I was in such a fucked up place and I needed to make drastic changes. I had been working. I I WANNA live. I want to enjoy life. I WANNA and it's very easy for people to judge very easy. Say Come on dude got a great life. Get a great house but there was stuff that it went on and my life that I just never took care of. I never took care myself. Yeah so you gotTa Take Care of yourself you know. I also think that probably over the course of over the course of eight years cinema wet today. I'm like I think over the course of eight years. I missed almost a year's worth of sleep. I do not doubt that for a fucking minute. Shoot until five o'clock in the morning and I'd I'd be on seven o'clock flight how do you do that. I don't know because I remember thinking how is welling doing doing this on on Smallville. How is he doing because I would work three days out of the five maybe four but like I'd have a little time off and I mean the hours are long shave my head but I couldn't and do what he did? Yeah I couldn't do what you did. I don't maybe it's younger than me. I disagree with you if Smallville had been about lex. Luther and you had to keep Tom's hours hours. You would have done it. I would have done it. You would have done but I've I would be where you are now. I would be struggling. I will be. When did you wrap November Fifteenth Dude? It's not even a month in your body is going through such changes because you. When's the last time you had add more than like three months off in your life? Two months off in your life to two thousand nine in ten years ago it was the last time when you were also twenty eight years old. It's exactly yeah which your body like when you're young. You don't even realize you could just do whatever you can sleep till you a week. Go to bed at four in the morning. Wake up at five and you somehow can do it but when the older you get. And that's why forty-seven I couldn't I couldn't I don't interest me. They offer me stuff. I'M NOT GONNA lie. They offer me. I've been offered series one hour series and I know unless it's a ten episodes or eight episodes year and I have of ample time to learn my shit and I'm not I don't want to bury myself in the ground. Yep trying to do something that I'm just not willing to put myself through. I I mean I. I took another series immediately as the lead as but it's eight episodes eight episodes and it's something that you really love. Yeah I mean you love wrestling. Yeah what's to call. When do you start March fifteenth or so March Fifteenth? Yeah so you have plenty of time. I got a lot of training to do starting in January but yeah I got a lot of time but eight episodes eight episodes when I saw that video last year ear of you wrestling Chris Daniels yet Christopher Daniels. Have you seen that Ryan. I know you know. I think when people thought Oh an actor is going to wrestle with a one of these professionals. I'm John Judge People. Yeah four I fucking Noam. I'M NOT GONNA lie to you. I've done that share like troy. Fuck you try you hear me I love you. He knows it but then I see this video you have to see him wrestle. You're doing shit that I'm like. Why are they letting him do this? How is he not dying? Didn't ask. That's how let me. It is beyond me and so tell me this when you do this. And if you guys haven't seen it look up stephen a male wrestling. What would they look W Stephen Mel all in all and to me. It's unbelievable I know you'll watch shit your pants but you're you're a wrestler in the series. Yeah please please. Don't let let them do your stunts. I'm not going to have a stunt double I can't I'm going to be in a speedo. How the fucking stable? I want to get this video. You'RE GONNA you're going to be in a speed on where we're wrestling trunks. Call him trucks. But it's it's extensively a Speedo so your body has to look really good. You want to look the undertaker. You WanNa look more like I do i. I WANNA get thicker. Actually like I had like I don't I don't Wanna I don't Wanna be like super writ. I WANNA look strong. You WanNa look like a wrestler. Yeah like a real fucking yeah tough big fucker. Yeah a lot of work to do on my legs. That's GonNa be the biggest thing. How often will you Russell? I think first episode my character wrestles like three times. Do Your Shit. You jump off the ropes. Do you do a flip. Flip yourself I could do a front flip clip on a trampoline so can i. I can't do a back one I can. You can. Yeah Ryan not a chance. No no not even a little bit. You know. I hate to ask this to you but I'm not going to. I'm not asking anything. Give you now because I heard what you said. Don't stop asking you choose but come March when the show comes out or when you start they come out to August. I'm GonNa want you to come on and promote that actually don't know when it airs. Oh come back on dude. I think it will come on. I think it'll probably come out in the fall but I don't know could be making that up. That's something it's written for you. That was. That was the funny thing is they went out to They went out to another actor whose whose name All all leave out of this and I don't know if they didn't know what was available but they're like you know we've we've got this got this wrestling show called heels at stars and we've we've gone out to Actor in the first three people that they that they said that to they go to even and pass and they rescinded their offer to this guy in offer to me. Wow How pissed. He don't know you know I wouldn't be that pissed if I found out that my body couldn't handle this kind of stuff right now I'd get a stunt double for sure. If they asked me to walk across the street I might stop double better either. Because you know it's dangerous yet you can easily get hit by a car as easy as you could fly you know. Whatever I'm I'm happy for you so my so there are things I also like? I was a little worried that I was like I was like going home with the first girl that smiled at me at the bar. You know what I mean. But it's such a good project in scripts are really great and it's funny and you have half a December January January and February before you even really have. I'll tell you what I'm GonNa tell you something you might. You have more power than you think if you said. Hey I just just want January off to recoup with my family and other just one month can you just push one month. They would do it. Yeah they asked me what I wanted to start. Okay so say April. We'll take an extra month with March. Don't tell me what to do. Do you think that you're you're you have yet to mourn the show like being done with a do you think that's going to hit you when you least expect it or do you think you're like you're just. It's been so that you're pretty much done done. This is your your good. You've been wanting this to and even though you love it you love the fans I do love I do. Love the fans I just don't want any responsibility ability right now other than husband and father are really Dr. You're gonna go see someone or you're not GonNa do that. I might think I might. I wish you can go see this guy. Dr Tessler Rohan Connecticut. All Jewish guy is your hot in here or am I just sweating. Second your slow I am. I don't know why it he'll look if you're cool with me sweating. I'll just sit here and sweat. Don't worry about it. Man I in Hong. Yeah okay. I noticed diplomat sweating. RC Man. I think I might be sick sick. You want to throw up. Yeah use my bathroom. I might have to cut this short man. I'm not feeling well at all really really. Why don't you leave your but while I drink some water to get you some tylenol? No I think I just gotTa go home Edwin Actually Kinda WANNA walk to mind. Yeah I I did see fresh air. Thanks Buddy inside of you is brought to you by war Parker. I'm wearing them now. Ryan you see. These are worby. Parker's Somme specs. 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That's hello hello touchy dot com slash. IOU and get ten percent off your order. Hello Toshi Dot com slash. Oh you guys. It's Michael Rosenbaum. Um this next part is the second half of the interview Stephen. A male What you just heard was a guy who was exhausted and You know there as much as he plays a superhero on TV You know were human beings. I commend him for coming back and talking to me but he had to go. They had to cut the interview. Short as you here and it was it was a little bit is a little crazy as you're going to hear it. Stephen comes in two weeks later. And this is how we finish the interview for the new part. Let me make sure my phone is off. The new part on he'll heels that I would go with savage. Angela and I would go with a mustache. Cut My hair. Really Short started the mustache. There's no good time to start growing a mustache like those. If you can make it through the first couple of days you're in good shape. You grow fast though. Well yeah but I I. When did I got shaved right right when I got to over the Christmas? Break right when I got England now I was in Florida Florida I shaved in Dallas. I think shaved in Florida and then I was in London and I let it growth a little bit and then I went to one of those grooming shops to love so much would have grooming shops. They can not Ted Baker products. I do yeah this is Ted Baker grooming stores. And you go in there and it's like the groom you it's like forty fifty pounds or something like that and you're in there for an hour our the cut your hair the shave you they. They massage your arms. They were they were actually back now. Well with faulk bear. I think I think basically it's neck down your neck down. You're on your own. I didn't sound like a group. I mean that sounds sounds okay but I also wanted a professional to set the parameters of the mustache because I didn't want to to to small. That's one thing Hitler but too big that Sorta like the caricature e. I don't know I think that this character. I like this by the way I look at you. And I guaranteed say the word brother differently differently with this stash like without the mustache might be brother but this might be brother wrestler right and when does it take place in the eighty s or now not present seven days which is present day is just small town. It's called Duffy Georgia. I really love your really good looking guy so with a mustache you still good looking. Look it gives you like an off like kind of weird. He's attractive but you know I get escape for a minute with the males Mazda. I also. It's really great being around my wife every time someone complements me on because she doesn't like it I don't know and you just look at her and go see day go. He liked it. No but I had my hair really short. I mean it's been growing for like two weeks. I duNno New Year. I actually don't I don't know why I said I don't believe in any of that Shit. What's the new year the whole New Year? Whatever it just so happens that the new year's coincided with a sort of a new chapter in my life but New Year will come hang on? Let's take a break here you like. You don't believe in the whole resolutions and you don't believe I did. I spent my friend Robin I grant. We smoked a little bit of a joint. I'm not recommending that you don't need to but few days before the New Year and we set we went back to my house and we just like road out to dudes road out all the things we wanna do all the things we want to accomplish. So they're they're in writing and then I then I type them up the next day Eh there in front of me so I can look at them. I this is what you want to accomplish. This is what you wrote down. These were your wants and your things in your desires. Why don't you stick to these things instead of just fucking around island not having any real structure whatever but why January first? Well what do you mean. Why before before January? Why not our January October sixth? Because it just doesn't seem like big. It's like you're doing it for the rest. This is our. You've had enough shit in your in your life last year. These are all the things I did. These things that were bad happened. This is all the Shit but you know what about few more days I can enjoy and then this is when you get busy. This is when you start doing all these things and people usually leave them after a few weeks right everybody that lasted a month. I think I'm pretty strong lately. I think I could. I could stick to stuff I mean when I used to work in When I used to work at a gym mm-hmm Teaching Spinning Utah Spinning. You're oh gosh. two thousand started in two thousand and two. Was it fun. Yeah Yeah I mean it was how I kind of got into acting insofar as I was able to teach and make enough money that I could go and I could audition suspending coach. Make they make good money. No you make okay money. I made like fifty bucks class. How many classes a day sometimes like five? So you were ripped prepped. You know when you first teaching you get really skinny and then you get in this weird pseudo in shape because you're active but not really really doing anything to better yourself because there's no physical way that you can exert yourself over three classes. Four classes classes five classes when your job is also to motivate people and to go around and to in effect be a teacher or an instructor. There's no way that you can put the same amount of effort into those classes. So you get into this sort of weird zone whereas if you're participating in the class and maybe you do one or two but you do a spin in class and you basically get five six workouts over the course of a week. Really commit yourself to them. You get in way better shape doing that than teaching. Do the reason I'm laughing. 'cause you telling US starring you're thinking it's not really funny what I'm saying but what I'm laughing at. Imagine you as a spin instructor with that mustache. Everybody forty. We're going up the mountain brother brother. Look there's an elephant in the room and I should have started with this. I didn't feel the need you too. The last time he came in. Yeah it was It was you look completely different. You your whole disposition. Yeah it was because this it was because of the setup of your room. I couldn't get the door open but what happened was which is so important because I remember yeah So if you by by the way if you're listening to you obviously heard would happen and we jump into. This is interesting. Because I don't know Ryan was a little freaked out Ryan. Yeah yeah he really well he says you're white you know he's just like I just hope he's okay. I don't know but I know panic attacks tax. I know overwhelming and I could tell you're sweating and that really just weren't well for starters. I shouldn't have I should've cancelled. Yeah for sure your be. I don't know why in fact I said that. Why would you like your? Yeah so the fucking pocket. I left here. I tried to drive. I tried I walked home. You try to you pulled up beside me and tried to drive me. I drove down the street. Now it's freezing on the walk but not because I was I was just freezing because I was just sweat. The cold and I got I got home guard. The couch put a blanket over me and again was freezing but just sweating bullets and You know told my wife I she said I'm having a panic attack in tax drafter. I said I just got a check up on him really I did she tight. Don't please saying I was worried about you. And that's that's why I was like fuck jess was like well. Maybe it was just as well. It's rush hour all these cars and he's having a panic attack and I was racing the huge truck. I'm fine yeah I just wanted to listen to. I wanted to listen to a podcast and walk by myself. Actually not yours. That's all right it's okay it's okay you left mine the listen to what were you thinking when you were when you were walking down. The what happened happened earlier in the day I was pretty positive. There was nothing physically wrong with me but as we discussed the leaving of the show combined with just not really breaking away from it in my life just in terms of getting back into into Los Angeles and it was like I needed this clean. This clean break. I needed to go on a trip needed to drop my phone I needed to. They just hadn't disconnect I just hadn't disconnected and ironically I had said with code coming out that you know. Ideally I'm I'm GonNa be in Los Angeles. I'm you know I'm going to take the break from mid November until Thanksgiving and then you guys have me for three weeks or two weeks or whatever we need for for prep and Shouldn't have done that now. That being said that's when they decided to put out the movie and I needed to promote the movie. But and I'm not laying this all defeat of code eight because I love the people that were involved and they were very fair just done. They were very fair and equitable with my time time but I was just done it could anything no matter what could have been. If it was turtles back in the day could have been it could have been an award show campaign because I I was playing Pittsburgh and once upon a time in Hollywood doesn't wouldn't it doesn't matter you're done. Isn't that something when the body been there. When you're a lot of times like you now? I just go workout. I'll feel better. I'll just this. I'll be fine and then there comes a time where your body just goes. No you're not doing any of that. Well that was the other part. That was the other problem too. Who is that? I'd gotten into such a Rut with physical fitness or lack thereof. That there was no there was no physical release police. There was no release of there was no there was no release of endorphins. I even found myself like with with very little Not to get too personal but with very little sexual appetite just because I was doing nothing except just digging myself into a Rut with my body and there was some form of a talking about it with you and just talking about it in general and be going to the doctor earlier that day in realizing that in fact nothing was fucking wrong with me. And that's when you have that moment of realization where you go. Oh my God this is in my head like which is sometimes scarier. It is scarier because I'd rather them. I'd rather than tell me no. No no no no you need to get your spleen removed. Yeah or you've got fucked up pollute thing but now there was there was nothing. That's how it happened for me. I think it fucked me up. I didn't know how to deal with it. I was on set and I had a panic attack and I said to troy my sister said hey man get the doctor here here. I don't feel well I feel like I was having a heart attack. Whatever he gets on their checks my vitals and he goes well yet physical? This is Michael. Have you ever had a panic attack. Worst thing he could fucking said to. Yeah and I go. What and I was embarrassed? I never told anybody. I had panic attacks so I have like four or five on that set after that never told anybody just set I had diarrhea. I had to jump runoffs at people. Just laugh I was going to make them laugh. That's me hey I'm funny diarrhea Rosenbaum and I'm literally in the looking in the mirror at myself except going you're fine and Xanax doesn't work after that. You know you take a xanax. After you're having a panic attack it takes it just well even talking with doctors. The thing that they'll tell you. Is that one of the best things you can do is just to self soothe which is easy unless you have a kid. A what do you mean myself. Su Well self sued. I'd like to leave me alone. Just just leave me alone and let me catch my breath and that is easy for me but really difficult For my wife because she wants to help right and I wanNA tell you can help by waiting for me to ask you for help. If in fact yeah I need it otherwise I'm just trying to catch a rhythm of breath and get everything under control and the minute the door or opens or something drops on the floor or use it down on the bed and put your hand on my shoulder. It's like I'm back at square one but the biggest thing the big thing for me was just all of a sudden it was like okay. I think we did it on a Thursday or maybe on a Friday. What the PODCAST podcast? I'm trying to I'm trying to remember. What did you hear me but I went home I laid on the couch. Had IV service. Come to the House and They just pumped me full of fluid the help and vitamins and there was something that they gave me directly in the IV. That will make you drowsy if you take it anyway but putting it in an IV. I'm at the name is escaping me right now. It's one of those basically. It's one of those like cold medicine G. now not a method of professional and now no. It's no gosh whatever you can get better. But the point is is that they popped into the first bag or I think it was actually possibly because I was all shaky. They also gave me something for that but they popped right in there during the first bag and I got this I got the second bag and the IV taken out of my arm. While I was fast sleep you were out out really. I was totally out Brinson. You can buy at a cvs just so happens when they pump it right into your veins veins knocks you right out but I listened to the podcast. 'CAUSE I ask you to send me the. Yeah that's what I was thinking was one I go you know Stephen. Many people I'm sure would have gone. No never air that it's embarrassing. I don't WanNa do that and then I thought well you know this is exactly what my audience needs. Listen to the world needs to listen to to. He plays a superhero. He's been on this for eight years. He's never rested. He has a family. He's doing so much things I don't know how he's dragging all he hit a wall. He's fucking tired and guess. What Superhero got tired? Yeah that's a real person. He had anxiety and I was hoping you'd say wanted to go. Look we can't we could I could finish it and just say hey you had a panic attack doing fine now Blah Blah Blah and you know I wanna come in yet. I mean if you're hearing this. I'm sure that you'll do some sort of intro to it. Probably I'M GONNA do an intro but one oh really. I've done one if they're listening now. Okay well of course but if you if you WANNA go back and listen to it from the time that come on and I started talking. I don't take back anything I said I could hear my voice that I was a little low on on patients and maybe I was a little bit more. I wouldn't say defamatory but Direct right slightly pie mouth more than I would normally be but the general elements of what I said. I don't take any issue with but I could hear myself over the last three or four minutes of the of the the roth file. I could hear my breathing start to become a little bit labored. Yeah you could just sense that like something was I was and I was starting to. You're sweating swatting. Go Hey swimming. Is it hot in here. If you rewind here more stuff and wasn't hot maybe fucking door but I just had it sustain the guy staying the fucking door out there so I couldn't get it open and I think I was getting anxiety like I'm GONNA go. I think it was all these things this combination of all these things that were happening. But we'll do you power through as much as you could and the fact that you're here. I think that what what this says is like this is how many weeks later couple weeks later weeks later. But but but but but it's the B side of a very important break very important break and The month of January for me is just very very very different than what I felt like mid November through basically a couple of days after I came on with you going away That stretch of time. That was really weird. Heard I took real stock in the fact that I was taking a break and that I really needed to in that I was going to enjoy my holiday holiday but I'm looking forward to January more than I was even the break Rauscher. Yeah just starting something new being refreshed. Yeah I'm taking my kid to camp this week and I'm training for heels and The did you ever worry. Did you ever think first of all. Aren't you lucky that maybe this didn't happen on set like it happened after it was all done. Do you think if that that would have happened on. Set like you're like what would you have done. If you started getting these panic attacks and you can rask you're workin could you told me something I think in the beginning which we'd have to go. He said something like. I don't think I've ever I. I really slept in the last eight years. Yeah I said I said that. Basically over the past eight years. I've missed a good like a good hour. Sleep or excuse me a good year year out of the eight. I'd probably miss a year because like I said it's it's it's it's five o'clock on set at seven o'clock on a plane you go you go you go you go you go And then you know I have incidents like this. My my typical Christmas break was I get off. have much drinks with friends on like that. That's something that for like two or three days if I'm not going straight away and then I have this law in the Christmas break where I sleep relax and then I get excited to go back to work but but invariably you know back in the day. There was this crash at the end of the season but then starting after season three three of eight there was no break between three and four. I went straight to turtles and I shot at the entirety of the break and in between between four and five I promoted turtles and then in between five and six I went away for a little bit but then we shot all code eight and in between six and seven. I went away like on this beautiful trip but then come came back and shock. Oh eight and went right back to work and there's just no brick just no brain. You're not taking care of yourself. I mean you're taking great eating. I'm just not taking a break. I think stopping working out was a real big a contributing factor. Because there's there's gotta be a there's if there's going to be a young there's gotta be a Yang can't just be the Yang. You know what I mean gene like I used to take real solace in getting on a treadmill or getting out on the road and running hard for forty minutes fifty fifty minutes sixty minutes ninety minute and you weren't doing that for how long before you had this panic attack. I hadn't been doing it for the better part of the year when I had that wrestling match. I fractured my hip. And all of a sudden I was back being very physical on the show but I wasn't really doing anything outside of the gym and then you know and then adapt comes in October becomes November November becomes December. And then all of a sudden I don't really need to be shirtless on the show. So fuck it so fuck it it and then I'm going. What did I even do? You know we had this big long round the world trip plant you know. I was exercising a little bit. Maybe I think just just very sporadically but being active and going out and hiking and stuff like that and then And then and then my wife had a had a a VESPA accident when we were in my Orca and we had to cut the trip short and all of a sudden it just that wasn't that wasn't a root cause for not exercising. But you know there was a lot of issues going back for season. Eight for me just because I thought that seven was logical conclusion. You were done. Let's face it I was done and you're ready to move on and then you couldn't move. I was ready to move on. And then you've you got the proverbial offer that that I couldn't refuse wrestling show. No no for season eight Aveiro. Oh that one yeah right because they they you say all right. We'll all right. You want to be done at season seven okay. Well you're going to have to shoot twenty two episodes with us so that was more than you'd ever shot. No We know we shot twenty three for the first six seasons reasons. But they're like you. CanNot you know we didn't actually know we're going to do twenty two for season seven. But they're like well you know you're going to have to do twenty two with us. which is July live through April? So are you really telling us that. You WanNa do twenty two at price ex and finish in April and not. Do Thirty two at this price and be done in October. That doesn't make any sense right. Because because they're renegotiating the change your episode fee and I looked at it and they literally put me in a position. They put me in a position. Nobody pulling any physician. It would have been fiscally fiscally irresponsible for me to say. No just fiscally irresponsible so and I loved the shit got a season eight. I had a blast but I was there for the money right more so than I had ever been money love and money but certainly money the kids to get your kid through school. I don't regret the choice. I think that I feel like everyone makes the same choice. I worked out with with welling today and he was telling me that well. He just doesn't want to go see Ambrosia with me on Saturday. Ambrose you know that's how much I feel I feel for you baby seventies man but you can understand why but I love that man anyway in good shape. Well he's getting good. She got in good shape for the wedding. I you know I keep telling me how you look really good cut. He does you know. It's a big super super hero style. Yeah he is a big guy but he was telling me that he felt a certain way after season seven and that there was a lot of him that was ready to be done. That's because I left to go get him he did but then he said you know once I got over that hurdle in and I did season eight he goes season. ABC's at nine season ten. I had a blast and I had a blast during season eight but there was a part of me and it certainly wasn't all money because I didn't negotiate with Warner Brothers. Others at all for season eight. They just kept coming back with different offers. Not necessarily monetary offers Mostly monetary but also it was Greg Berlanti that sort of like came with the the lifestyle offer Of would have such a thing as a half season is an existed for you which wasn't to say that the show was going to do a half season. But what if you just did a half season and it was like well well. Yeah because I wanted to go on a trip with my family but then the moment that I stepped back on set I just there was just a part of me that was like state a little just a little too long. Just a little do you think Does it ever concern you. That you'll You'll have another panic attack or do you feel like you know what now we know what to do. I've learned my lesson. I learned how to disconnect and learn how to take a break. I learned how to say no in a certain way I learned how to you know. Maybe it's working out more. Maybe it's a combination of a a lot of things but do you think does that fear ever cross your mind like hey. I didn't like this feeling or just feel like. Hey my mind knows that this. There's nothing physically wrong with me and that's important by the way because I had a doctor telling me this actually is a therapist. Service goes when you're having a panic attack. Here's on we do ask yourself. Is there anything wrong with me. Has Anyone with my heart now. Had I'm a heart check. I have a great heart. Wrong with your Liver whoever would have just got tested for everything right so you know what this is. This is in your mind. So what do you. I think you need well. You probably should. There's a lot of things. There's a lot of things to prevent anxiety right so don't be drinking a lot of caffeine especially late in the day. you know. Make sure you get sleep working out diet all these things that don't you alcohol drugs anything that you do. That alters your mind I don't worry about it as as much because retrospectively. This was not a situation where I came over. And because I didn't like the furniture set up in your room and it's actually true that I was like I couldn't get right now. I'm very comfortable and not just because I'm feeling around but you change the room around and I felt like guy was constantly worried about leaning forward to get to the MIC but then I was tired and I felt like I was sitting weird. Why point being is that this panic attack did not hit me when I was sitting in this room this attack was in the fucking mail right? It was. It was in evidence when I was really dragging dragging myself around the day before and it was an evidence when I tried to cancel going to the doctor that day and couldn't pick myself up off the ground and it was in evidence when you know l.. Everything in my mind told me not to come over and do the podcast. But my brain wasn't functioning properly and I was still in the mindset of I I can't let people down I always that's my whole thing. I always think I'm GonNa let people down so I always got out doing stuff. Did you by the way I wanNA talk about that for a second but did you go. Did you do it your wife asked. Did you go see someone. I haven't. We haven't spoken with anyone other usually we haven't spoken. We're GONNA fight. We're divorced I haven't spoken with anyone. professionally That's something that we utilize when we up in Vancouver and we've actually spoken with a couple of friends of ours who had some really great recommendations for both when we're down here and when I'm off in Atlanta shooting but just we found it incredibly helpful? Sometimes we would sit in there. She would talk for eight minutes and I would sit there and listen or I would talk for eighty minutes and she would just you sit there and listen and sometimes we talk about our relationship and sometimes we talk about other people but We're going to get back into that but that helps. It does help. Although I don't know that it relates to the panic attacks. I think that it's more in pursuit of a better relationship for us. I would like to. I think that I would be well. Served to have someone that I can do. A A mental check instance. I can't come on your podcast for weeks true. Well you could actually I. I told I told welling today. I'm like I'm going going over to Rosenbaum's house. Today he goes. Oh Yeah I go. Yeah I had a I did as podcast before the break and I had a fucking panic attack right in the middle of it. He goes night didn't see I did. It goes their worst places to right. Yeah but you know what the reality is. It's I was just like hey I was worried about you. I was like I know you're gonNA get through this. You know you're going to power through it I wanNA hear. I didn't want to hear that at the time but I appreciate it. Yeah Yeah Yeah I and I don't think said that. I say that you said like this his before it happened. You're you know but but I was clearly you know. I thought it was pretty panicked. I thought it was pretty forthcoming that. I was having a island. I I was so shocked. I was so shocked really that you said you know I'm GonNa go. You could have just left the other day. I'M GONNA go. I'm not feeling well then. You know I'm having a panic attack again then. I think that it's just like seeing you go through this and now that we see what you're doing to prevent it and and knowing that you know people move behead and also the place that you had it in that's a key like I always hear like get it from therapist. Say You have a panic attack and you run right. It's important for you you to face the place where you had it. Yeah and you came back and you might be like you know. I had a panic attack. Oh there I don't want to go back. I don't know I've had that situation where my Oh my God I had it here. I don't you know if if you haven't sat and you run off. Then you're like fucking every time you go on set you and getting anxiety. was supposedly. I mean I dealt with one towards the latter part of season Seven of Aero I can't I can't remember what triggered it for about. Maybe fatigue. Sure I got in touch with their first assistant director and I was like. I'm I'm not doing well physically right now I'm I'm having. I'm having an issue with things. Id and I'm GONNA come to work. But I'm not great and he wasn't actually the first assistant director on set that day But the other first assistant director it was her her first or second episode. And I didn't fuck an I didn't know her right. I liked her but I didn't know her so I had him. Just let all the all the people didn't know I didn't know her and I got my worked on that day I asked to do my pieces of a fight that ended the day a early and I spent every possible moment that I could in my trailer actually listening to the COM APP on the On the IPHONE phone. I love that at the. Yeah I've been using that. Yeah just I've just been listening to the daily column which is just ten minutes. I've been tracking my sleep. Which is which is? It's good to making sure that all that doesn't mean that can give you a little anxiety that sure I can say wait a minute. My heart rate was this. I write five at five hours. I mean I guess you Kinda know. Oh if you're sleeping well or not you wake up and you feel rested or your dad or you know when you go to bed I mean I. I probably won't do that for much longer. But it's just nice as to just get a track on things but when it comes to facing something the people on the Arrow set. I'm sure that knew that something was amiss. Miss I was fine with my work that day disposition disposition off at when if people ask me how I was not particularly great but I'm okay but then then at the end of the day I I thank the crew for their and the cast for their thoughtfulness for their understanding for their patient. I I let them know that I was having some issues with anxiety and then I said but I'll see you tomorrow and I'm sure that I'll be better and everyone you know. I think people like SORTA tepidly plotted which was not what I was looking for but well you're brave face. I face that fear as opposed to thinking to myself itself that entire night. Those people are going to be wondering what the Hell's wrong with me because I'm just I'm just a moody actor up until I tell them that. Actually going through something. Oh my God. That's why he was. Yeah but it's time their crew members that are probably like Yay get panic attacks or celebrities actors. Yeah what's the matter buddy not enough gold plated threads on your God damn seats brother brother let me tell you something though. Ah I know it sounds funny. Good on Ya. That's brave. I didn't do that. I had anxiety attacks on -em pastor and instead of going to the crew and saying hey ladies and gentlemen. I'm having a panic attack. I me who so open maybe more. So since I've been doing this podcast because I didn't have a podcast when I was doing that I couldn't do that. I pretended everything was okay. I pretend that I had diarrhea. I've pretended I listen. Man I li- until one person my assistant look. I'm having excited. I don't know what to do you. He's like what do you want me to go nothing. I want anybody to know they'll think then all of a sudden I'm not they can't work with me. I'm going to get but that's not how it is. It's like you get a law law. Well listen man look. This is the great thing this podcast doesn't have to be long because we did the first half hour I sometime but I mean look I'm excited for it and I didn't think the turnaround is like wow two weeks look. I don't think you're done doing things for yourself. Azures connect to to you know to keep that in check. It's not like Oh that happened. Oh now sound good and I'll forget about what happened. That's in the back back back of your mind going. Hey I take care of myself. Yeah and I think I give a whole lot of credit to to my wife wife who very bravely said Look Buddy. I need you to get better right like for a variety of reasons. Okay one of which is your to yourself. Secondly you owe it to our kid and third you fucking Noah to me. If you think you're you're at your best right now then you're fucking best isn't good enough. That's a tough thing to say. Yeah it's a really tough thing to say. It's even tougher when the person it doesn't want to hear it so I give her a lot of credit because she said that she said that stuff to me you know I think one of the biggest things is you want to fix it immediately. I know you WanNa snap your fingers and you want it all to be better. And that's not the way that it works. You gotta you know. I'm back in the gym right now and I'm just eating shit every day humble pie like I'm going in there and I'm benching less than I benched when I was in twelfth grade going for football because guess what when you take a year off in your in your late thirties. Shit goes away. Yeah I did he you know. That's wild guys hike. Their pants up above their button. Yeah Ellie Button and look. I have a lot out of faith that I'm going to snap back but I was in there today working out with a retired NFL player. WHO's like six five seventy have to say you would? If you like football you would you would know of pro Bowler I think he. His career got cut short by injuries. A little bit but like he was like a player when at at the height of his powers. You like if you just said his last name he's like Oh yeah But he's you know I'd have spar with him today. Not Easy no exhausted. I'm exhausted. I go to bed at like seven thirty at night and anything with time. Six six fifty six thirty. Wait a minute wait a minute. That's twelve hours. No close. Well I I'm not a mathematician but I can't sleep more than like fucking six or seven hours. I just can't Dan. My mind is just too active. I have to right now. I have to although I'm not. I'm not straight through sleeping one of the things that I'm actually working on is is going to sleep with with with no sound because I've been Listening to air pods. I've been listening to To podcast SORTA helped don't fall asleep and then if I wake up I'll just put something else on. Yeah Yeah I'm trying to get to work on that. I remember. You said something by the way when you were having that when I'm we go guys can cry because you already cried twice today as last time. Yeah I remember. Also that's when I knew right away so that's I cried twice to them like Whoa Stephen. Even crushed lice doesn't cry. I don't think I don't think Stephen cries but I think that's also the way the world you feel like Shit you're tired. You don't know why you're disconnected. You haven't disconnected and then at the same time you feel like your your wife day thinking what in the world down and all of a sudden you know everybody needs help. I want to help people. I want to be there for them. And all of a sudden. Who's there for me? Yeah you gotTa Take Care of yourself. I like you said you got stuff. Yeah I think that's true I think you just got to Ryan you take care yourself buddy. Yes you're so many words I love. I want to ask you some of these questions. I do this thing on patriotic. And it's just like it's just ten questions rapid fire though. Hit Me with it. Hit Me with your best shot. All right this is easy. This is Jerry W says curious. What your favorite role has been and why all of a queen because it changed my life simple see you are good at this Jili? How is it working on new girl really? Good one of the most exciting days of my entire careers. I worked on private practice. This N new girl. Same Day started on. New Girl went to private practice. Went Back to new girl. I was just holding on at that point just trying ended blend in but ironically one of my first days onset I have to. I have to bust into a party asking everyone. If I've just pissed my pants so I had to be pretty outsized outsized and you know I'm in there with Mass Greenfeld and Zoe Hanna all jake all these always like Ryan Quinton. He's on true blood he was the bigger. He was the bigger guest star in that it doesn't matter K. W. A. N. t. e. n.. However you pronounce that? He's Australian guy. Really good actor here and I was just trying to hang on. That experience was Really Cool Tricia. How was it working with Tom? And Michael That's me a knocking point. It's been good had. I've enjoyed it so far although I haven't been around as much welling thanks. Today's did you guys are GonNa do some social media stuff. I like how you switched around. Yeah I'm the pure. He's evil. Evil is much better. Yeah it was good. It was one of your biggest sellers. That's you know that it was. Yeah thanks for inviting us to that. You welcome Tricia be what was it like taking a role so shortly after the the final episode of Arrow don't know yet you don't get back to me and like mid March Trevor Asks if you could choose any duos costume for Halloween with Rosenbaum Tom. What would you choose my wife and I have already gone as Franks and beans? which is my favorite as we were taking a photo? This girl comes to us and is like a you guys dresses Franks and beans like yeah absolutely and she goes. You've gotTa come and meet my dad and his brother. Almost they took us right to the fairly brothers. And one of the reasons that I'm one of the reasons reasons that I'm wearing the Franks and beans costume or frank beans is because I'm such a fan of the ferals like I'm a huge food fan of the Farrelly's yeah and Yeah so we had a nice chat with them but what I don't know. What would we do skimpy Laurie? Oh God you know what would be great is if we should go as Jamie and seriously lancaster hold hands in the red carpet tour. Have Jamie No. Let's go as. Hey let's go let's go. Is Billy Bob Thornton Angelina. Jolie back when they were a couple a man thanks trevor arrests for that but options Nico P. would seem. Do you remember that. took the longest film because people kept laughing. Probably seen in the bunker. Some where you get to the end of the day. Nothing in particular comes to mind but just probably fatigue you get to the end of the day. And it's you know I I I didn't used to have a trick for it and then I would just think to myself. I am actively taking away time that I spend with my family because I can't get my shit together and then I would probably usually laughing but a good laugh was nice. Could Laugh as really nine Kohl V in playing Oliver Queen Freight seasons. What did you learn about him? That surprise. Is You most in. How did it affect how you portrayed him? If I learned something about Oliver Queen per se is he's a character that that obviously has some comic book obviously has some Comic Book Origins. But you know was largely the creation of the creative team in Mike Creation on Arrow Arrow just because it was a very different version of the character. I think I learned a lot about how a character any character can grow and change change over the course of time like two more Robert. Bean your career. What do you see as your biggest waste of money? Biggest waste of Maccabi taken. Anyway maybe in your crew. What do you see as your biggest waste of money? I mean is that like it doesn't cost to be an actor I mean or is he talking about you know you bought something I mean in my career. I don't know in my career like I bought a van. I still have the van. I don't give a fuck the best purchase ever I. That's what he's talking about. I think the stupidest purchased I've ever made was when I had Chevy Cavaliers at twenty four and nineteen ninety nine and I thought he needed a cooler ruler Stereo fuck who needs a sub Woofer Chevy cavalier because you can go down. The street is banging the too short fabric member. How it all began Dion K.? Are crossovers fun for you to shoot. Be Honest No. They're not they're brutal aren't they know. They're not brutal you just can't they come out. Great the fans love them. I always think of what we leave on the table because we try and shoot something really extraordinary overwhelming and with this amazing scope within the confines of our typical schedule. Never made any sense to me. It's just so frustrating. So Hard Austin the accomplish in the first episode sort of the crossover that has already aired my character dies. He comes back as this different DC character which plays in part part four of the crossover part. Four and five of the crossover characters dying in episode one and he's dying on a Gurney in the in the Aero bunker you know we're apt pardon me laugh to sit in the well. Yeah you love. We laughed and this is not so much of a laugh. Okay tell Ya but some of my lines lines were to CAPMAC the Merit Katie. Lots into grant and they were trying to wrap Katie and grant because they had hit their thirteen hour mark or whatever it was they were trying to wrap Katie and grant before I shot the coverage of the scene I died. I blame. No one for this but this is a scene with me. From Aro- that's taking place on supergirl with supergirl crew with demands on both grant and Katie. Lots who are on flash flash and legends. Who on a different schedule than the crossover? Because they're shooting different shit and they're trying to pull them so that they don't flash and legends mess. That's up there day the next day. Meanwhile the fucking Green Arrow was laying on a gurney trying to deliver his lines to something other than a fucking tennis ball so so there are lots of scenes where I'm acting in there. Just aren't other actors there and that's just not an acceptable way of creating the best product from my perspective. And I think that it is a little bit disrespectful to the actors and their process speaking personally other actors might not give a shit right That moment and that scene you for that moment in for that scene I mean. I'm trying to think of what the more important scenes are right. And it's not just because it involves my character or my characters death but I mean. How hard is it to not prioritize? Order ties that first of all Dion K.. I appreciate your question. Still they come out great the they come out great. I'm glad that we do right. They're they're not the most fun to shoot. GNK also thank you for starting another panic attack for Stephen. Thank you got a little president. I saw that I told you this is this is a massage. She's my girl anesthesia. She's amazing and I got one for you and I want you to use her. She'll come right around the corner and she's brilliant. Okay she's not weird or anything she's She'll love her. You'll probably start using her. I like on May don't know chip nothing. Just it's all taken care of and I just think that you You we need that. I think massage and your life is going to add massage. I do go very important. I think it's very important whenever my wife and I go to a nice a Hotel are like the forest we love. We love any four seasons anywhere. Because you know what you're getting like four seasons which which getting and the and the like the quality of services just great but we always yeah besides and couples massages whenever possible. And that's neat comes. I'd Fart if she was there and I worry about now I worry about snoring. Oh the happens where you could be a I. I always and they're used to it. They might I know they're they're used to it but I don't think that my wife falls asleep during the massage. Shoot here at all. He's fall asleep during the massage. which is odd? Because she's she's getting the Swedish or the floral or she getting stones put on or something like that and I've I've got I've got I've got a woman with her elbow deep in my back and just just driving shit out of your sleeve with that. I fall asleep to that Rice. You Kiss Dick Dude. Lastly heels you're going GONNA be shooting that soon. You're getting prepared for it. You know I don't really want to act unless it's something. I WANNA do on producer. I'm working on or I really just love it. I'm like Oh there's an element of fun but that when you said that I kept thinking of the movie The restaurant man like that. Maybe just a brilliant movie. I don't know if this is GONNA be hope. I'm hoping it's gritty and a little dark and a little you know not as it's all those things there's a gritty element to it just because there's a there's a grungy element to the wrestling world. Well not just that but to the independent wrestling world. I mean we're not we're not If our promotion comes through town we're not going to the fuck fucking Staples Center on the forum or we're going to to to to a Shitty Shitty so that element of it. You know the sort of the smoke filled arenas like back in the day but at its heart. It's it's about a it's about a family and and it's about the the the characters that populate the independent wrestling scene and when I see characters I I mean like his people are characters you know what I mean. You have to be a little and to all my to all my friends that are in the business I you know. I don't take this back. You gotta be a little fucking in crazy to be professional. Then you gotta be a little crazy. It'd be an actor then you've got a little bit but definitely like yeah. We'll look at it sound. I look I'd watch even if you weren't and it sounds really cool. And if there is a cool part that they haven't cast something you know your Buddy Rosenbaum. Listen the only reason I said I wouldn't say it but it sounds like something I'd like so if there's something even if it's a cool little care bear to part or whatever I can go stash. You know stash wrestle wrestle. It'd be a good. Your neck is no no. I wouldn't want to get that big but I could easily be. Somebody's brother or manager. Some guy who drives a pickup truck. Who's like India you? There's a lot of things I could do. Character and funds some works like two days a week. Oh Yeah it's easy monsieur. Boston no no two days two days a week except it's going to be those two days. It's going to be first up Monday morning and lasts up Friday tonight so on but it sounds fun to keep that in mind. Have you ever shot in Georgia. Yeah I did a week. for guardians to to there and I shot shoot. This other spruce Willis thing is independent. Movie Did just just guardians. There I am not a lot. I grew up like five hours from there like Indiana. You know that area. I've found my apartment there and they I mean I was Gonna get it anyway but they pitched to me that that that there was a guy doing marvel show there right now. That fucking matters to me. I don't know I don't know how it is. Oh really I'LL ST. I'll take it that guy's doing it. Anyway I definitely. I think it'd be fun to work with. Somebody would just be a good time to work with. I think we'd have fun. I like having a good time when a work. Yeah me too you know I never get. I'm not the lead often but I never really. I WanNa go and have fun. Yeah when I have a good time onset when people are looking to have fun and get get the work done and be the best they could be and be supportive. That's the best thing in the world to be a part of you know when it comes to heal as I was I was the first person cast and I. I think I'll be the first person in the in the credits. But that shows only gonNA work if everyone works if everyone works. And it's ensemble. If we don't get some it's it's GonNa be tough for us to to to sort of find a niche in the marketplace. If if we don't get some characters that really pop like do you watch success successor succession succession. I heard watch that. you run a couple of episodes. There's a good chance Ruben. Yeah but it's like you know they've got they've got great characters in the leads On on that show a great. But if you don't have a cousin Greg who just comes out and POPs and is constantly funny and his and his the saying the lines that people people are quoting at the water cooler the next day. If that's actually still an expression I think people still what it means but I think there's watercolors anymore If you don't have those characters and we've got a a couple a couple of the of the Mid Card wrestlers. That should really pop really. Yeah that's good. Hopefully it sounds like fun man very colorful foil. All I'm excited. Look this has been great. Thank you for coming back especially after you know. The first half of this is the first time I've ever like had to have someone come back finish and we can kind kind of go talk about what had happened so it's going to be interesting. I'm honored and he lived. I live I live here now. A member of where I'm member. We won't talk about that but we can go there and hang out some time. Yeah you know. It's right around the corner. It's hot shea. I saw you there once. Lachey like Pasha's a nice restaurant and also when you're in your coming back you don't did. You wouldn't another podcast before mine when when you're done with he'll so we can talk about. I mean I'll do one in between now and then but when it comes to win the show comes it comes time to promote heels. I'll I'll comeback. I'm back yeah. So keep your keep growing your subscriber base. How do you measure? I'm curious. I know no wouldn't you do when you do a podcast today. They do these various platforms. They pretty good reporting back to you like well. You have a platform you can check out you know. I could look every day of like our numbers are growing but we did this month. which each guest's does so? It's very important to you now to get people to subscribe to listen to and it's also hard because you know I'm not a huge star but you know your guests. You have a good guess somebody that people want to listen to and then if they like the guest you're hoping then they start liking you and then people start listening and going. Hey I can't wait to hear what Rosenbaum's GonNa say or ask what he's GonNa get out of this guest or what I'm going to get out of this guest getting. I listened to the daily because I like the way Michael Barbaro Wpro is able to talk about complex subjects but asks the questions that I think you know. No one wants to ask well not not that. No one wants to ask ask actually. He asked the question that people that are probably his level of intelligence think are beneath them right but he understands a something complex. Like I don't know Oh shit about Syria. I didn't know anything about Syria. But when he does a podcast. That's twenty five minutes long. That talks about the basis for said conflict in Syria. And why it might be problematic for the United States. You just pull troops out of there. I feel like a walk away going. Oh I know I know something so I listen to it for him in the way that he goes about a subject as opposed to just listening to it. Because I'm interested in current events. I hear that yes. I actually listened to that I think for me. It's more more like you know. What can I do? What do I offer? I think what I offer is sheer panic short panic I think it's I think what people want is like they go too late night. They see late night television. It's just like oh stephen a male on Arrow and you make a few jokes and you go. When you're in your suit and your Nice? Yeah but when they can get inside somebody and go. Hey this this is like real conversation between two human beings. It's not like Oh he's a big actor and the more people open up the more people talk about Their life and their shit it just it. I think it helps universally I think it helps the world. I think it's you know You know otherwise if there was. If you weren't on this no one would know talk about your panic attack no one no oh I think he's indestructible. Look he's a real life superhero. He doesn't have problems. And I think it helps normalize it and I've said that a million. What was the name of the Guy Eddie brought up? That's a that's a friend of yours that had done background work on Arrow Troy try. Yeah true I mean you know. That's I know. Oh that you thought that maybe I got stuck on that to sort of bring it back to the beginning of the process that we did last year but weeks ago. Well sure but last year but it it actually makes me pretty happy that somebody like troy might might have thought that I was a dink and then listened to the podcast and it helps. It helps changing opinion. I'm not oh I'm not out to change opinions but I don't understand how anything but the long form conversation is what what People WanNa hear. Now right I just want to get to know you you listen Dan Cook. I think I talked about the prime example. Many people guys. It's kind of national guys. How do you know he's not of course had him on the podcast? I talk to for now. We talked about this stuff and afterwards I I know all my listeners immediately I love this guy. He's a great guy because you don't know anyone so when Choi's onset and he hears this is happening. Why because they didn't pay extra attention to someone or eight India? He wasn't oh. He looked like he was intense onset. He was preparing for the. There's so many variables share that. You just cannot judge anyone. You don't know what they're going through you know Ryan could when you walked out on guy that guy's a fucking mass sounds like Ryan was really despondent. Well I just don't think he's ever experienced stuff stuff like that. That's why when I ask him questions. He gives me three words. Or a couple of multi Sean monitoring levels layoff. It'd be weird I've never I've never been in the presence of someone that that sort of went through. What what I went through but I imagine that that would have been a weird thing in a slightly stressful to see? I think that I I knew was going on for some reason. I don't know what it is but I don't freak out when people have shit going on for some reason there's something in my mind or my my brain. Maybe it's my gift seriously. This maybe sounds like a god-like person and I'm fucking not on saying is that maybe that was my gift. have to sort of like when someone's freaking out or pukes over a floor or I go into emergency mode and calm the person down mode and I just want to help somebody. Yeah I I don't know what it is is someone's crying. I'm like hey what's going on. I don't want to own my God. Oh I never that guy is going to look like they're freaking out. Appear to be freaking out. I'm they're honestly because I think I can help you. That's how I feel. That probably feels pretty good but does it feels good. I felt like hey you know. He's leaving he's getting up there. He's made a decision but I'm like. Hey Hey I'm cool that I just wanted to be safe. I want to get better and follow it up. You made sure I got home texting my wife. You know didn't know you had a number but whatever. Yeah that's something we can talk about did. Did I love you this. Let's take some pictures and get out of here man. Thanks for having me back. Thanks Steve. All right buddy well there you have it. That was Stephen. A Mel Stephen Again I thank view from the bottom of my heart for coming in. This is the kind of stuff that I wanNA talk about. This is the kind of stuff that is real. And I can't say it enough. That got a Di Kudos. He could easily said fuck off. I don't WanNa do it. I'll do it when I feel better. Donor any of this and that would have been fine. But but I'm glad that he chose to allow you to hear it made me feel like Holy Shit. I just wish I would have spoken up sooner. You know if his podcast was out before I I was doing pasture I would have probably been more vulnerable and more open to allowing people in my feelings and in my mind but you do feel like God. I'm the producer on the show. Uh on the lead You don't want people to think you're not strong. Isn't that stupid. Isn't it okay to to not be strong strong sometimes. It's okay to just be vulnerable and let things happen and just Kinda give yourself a break totally it is you saw. Were you at Thanksgiving. I was not. You're not the I had a breakdown in front of my friends. 'cause my grandpa passed away Thanksgiving and I remember everybody went around and said thanks for everything and and I Of course they ended with me and I couldn't keep my shit together and I've really tried on it. I don't cry in front of people. I really do not cry. I'm starting to say say you know what fuck it. If I feel emotional something hits me. I'M GONNA cry for a second. I'm going to let it out. I think it's important and I cried and I looked up and everyone was crying. Which helped me? I think it's nice. I think it's it's important just beyond with yourself and honest with everyone else like hey you know. I'm not comfortable right now. I'm trying like nothing's going on but having a panic attack and I don't know what to do. Maybe there's a doctor that can help me. Maybe someone else here has an idea but get me through this and then there's not that weight on you that you have to. You have to go back and finish the scene like hey let's do it in pieces and are you. Are you okay now. Let's let's just work this out together and okay as an embarrassing no. It's on. It shouldn't be it's it's like. Hey this is life let's Help our fellow man out. Hey I want to get a shadow cities patrons these beautiful patrons they They put a lot of money into Patriots and I really appreciate it. Leo S Barry. I D on K.. Lauren G Jill e Robert B. Be Jason W Angelina G Kevin are TRICIA NANCY D Nancy Bobby Nico p Yukiko geico Yukiko at such a great name you key go Jerry w Taylor Emily Sarah v M H bore tax tax. You guys so much Also the wind. The wind pure evil wine is out so get a subscription knocking point. That's also Stevens Company. Wellington I made a new wind since arm wind sold out. We're going to keep getting you great guests. I can't thank you enough. Thank you Ryan Tasr. Who's WHO's my engineer? WHO's here who's just makes me feel better about life? Great Yeah I hope you Like the questions I asked even the shit talk and I hope we're Making the show better and stronger. What you can do is just get your folks get your friends to subscribe? Let's go out in this song. Mia I like this song tasks it's from from Left on Laurel. 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Hour 3: Nik Wallenda

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This is banking reimagined. These lebatardshow with there's two guys on. Espn RADIO ESPN. Radio is presented by Progressive Insurance. Nick Will Linda get join us it just a minute here on the shell. Pennzoil PERFORMANCE LINE IS WALKING. A high wire across the volcano. Primetime National TV primetime. Baby Woo gutsy men. Here's your sports interrupdate former Alabama wide receiver henry rugs. The third ran a four to two in the forty yard dash during the NFL. Combine that's point. Oh five seconds off the record set by former Washington receiver John. Ross the two thousand seventeen fast Jerry. Jones said that he is not opposed to does Bryant returning to the cowboys. It finally research has shown that dogs actually likely silly high pitched voice. Their owners used to talk to that. It's Nice for all the latest headlines and information tune the sportscenter on ESPN radio all throughout the day. Volcano live. Nick Orlando Wednesday March Fourth Eight. Pm ON ABC. I've got so many questions for this dude. So many he's got eleven eleven world You Know Guinness World Records and so Nick thank you for joining us Let's start there Which one would you say. Your proudest of slash was the most impressive. It's hard to answer that question. They are all sort of special to me in one way or another. I would say the one that was probably the scariest for me was when I was riding a bike about one hundred and thirty five feet above the ground in Newark New Jersey and backpedal. The back wheels started to slip. I lost traction But again they're all special me one way or another and what was beneath you. What were you? You're right there? That was a life risking situation right as many as everything. You do seem to be absolutely. Yeah that's right so there was nothing between me and the ground other than Than Air Thin Air so not much would've been able nothing would have happened other than to save me other than I would have probably went splat on the ground below okay and you've lost family members to this so I. WanNa talk to you about that but I want to talk to you first about the idea of. Are you as confident in anything as your as you are about the master of this particular skill? Is there anything else in your life because you have to be unbelievably confident to be this flippant about life? Yeah that's right. I am very confident. The fact that I've walked a wire thousands of miles and actually the fact that I've walked wire since I was about eighteen months old family. History dates back to the seventeen eighty so well over two hundred years but really my confidence comes from my training. So people say. How do you prepare mentally while I prepare physically and as long as I'm prepared physically then I'm prepared mentally and part of that for this active volcanoes just preparing for the environment so preparing for wearing a gas mask that will actually Thing out those gases that are deadly that are in the air wearing goggles. That will protect my eyes because the gases will actually burn your eyes and training and heavy winds. I've actually trained in ninety mile an hour winds knowing that I won't get on the white if they're gonNA exceed forty five miles per hour so again it's about training properly and that's how I'm prepared mentally by training and preparing physically our your feet different from ours. My feet are very similar to everyone else's in fact there's not even really calluses on them. The the shoes that I wear are actually made by my mother and they have a basically an elk skin bottom and I can actually feel the wire through them but to be honest with you as I've gotten older I've started to wear more socks and I wear two pairs of socks now and the leather. Because it doesn't hurt as bad on my feet. When I was younger I used to walk barefoot all the time but but the reality is my very normal other than I probably have more unique pains in my feet than most people do. So how does this work with your family? Because you're a famous family of circus performers acrobats Is there a lender? Who's just like an an accountant and Moines? There are actually. There's many many family members that don't perform that have moved onto different careers in fact my children to my children who are now adults. I've got a twenty two year old. That's proudly serving our country as marine. And I've got a nineteen year old that has serving our country as a soldier in the army so they have decided to go a different direction although raised on the wire walk the wire since they were about a year and a half two years old and they're amazing on the wire but have decided to go a different direction and and clearly takes a lot of guts to do what they do and they are. They're the real heroes You know defending our nation and being bold enough to do. So what can you tell us about how you grew up within this family? What are the details that the audience would cling to? Because they're like. How does this happen? How does a family over centuries get good at this ridiculous thing so I will tell you that in my backyard? Currently there are three different levels of high wires and growing up as a kid. This is our passion as a family. It's what we love doing. It's what we enjoy. It's just like Michael Jordan plays basketball and like tiger woods. Play Golf that that's what they love doing. And then this is what we love doing so I saw my parents practicing at two feet off the ground when I was a year and a half old and having fun at it and I wanted to be a part of it so a wire was our playground. It is what we did again for family activity in our family reunions. We got a wider up. We chicken fight on the wire. That's enjoyable to us so because of that has become such A. It's become life to us. My grandfather said life is on the wire and everything else is just waiting and I think that's applicable to everybody. That's listening and watching because we're all on a wire role trying to get to the other side but for our family it was really meant in a literal sense well ended with us. Volcano live with Nick will end a Wednesday march fourth. Apm ON ABC. So all the people who love you all the people who care about you the most they understand why it is you do this. They do in fact. We just announced that my wife is going to break a world record that evening as well. We encouraging viewers to tune in from the very top of the show to learn what that is but she's actually going to break her own world record Above that volcano so again breaking world record by walking. She's GonNa Break One as well so the reality is she has the same passions that I do as you mentioned earlier. Seven generations of circus blood on one side of my family. Seven generations on both sides of her family. So this is truly in our blood so she understands it. I would say if I married someone from with not within the industry and I went to him and said Hey. I want to walk over an active volcano on a wire smaller than a golf ball. They would say you're nuts and it's not going to happen. My wife says awesome. I can't wait to be there to cheer you on. How does this work in terms of Do you know any of the details on how you ensure this kind of stuff like how much it costs. What kind of liability? You are the idea that a lot of money and hoping US yeah. It is very very expensive just like anything I do have life. Insurance is just very expensive insurance for anything but the reality is it just cost me more because of the risks That go into. It's actually very frustrating to me. How much it costs because a lot of the profits disappear. Because they're going to these insurance companies. Can you give us any of the specifics there without making too uncomfortable? Just like in explaining to us how much this actually caused to ensure that you you know that you might die. Wednesday. It's. Yeah so it's it's hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. How does this work in your family? Nick again volcano live with Nikola lender Wednesday march fourth eight. Pm ON ABC history of death of falling off of a wire. Your grandfather perish that way correct. Yeah that's correct. My great grandfather actually lost his life back in nineteen seventy eight about nine months before I was born in fact I often say that was the legacy I inherited nine months later. Was what what he had. He had done in his career. So we've actually seven family members performing Losing their life to performing this is our passion again It is hard for people to comprehend. But because it's been our bloodline for so long. It's what we love doing. It's what we enjoy The reality is I believe we all risk our lives every day whether be crossing the street or getting on an airplane or driving in a car. Where all taking risks we. What we do is is a calculated risk. So is getting in a car. We do everything we can to prepare and train for worst case scenarios again this be the most difficult walk of my career facing heats facing a gas facing Wins facing everything I've ever faced gases that are again so thick at times that you can't see ten feet in front of you so but again I've prepared I've trained. I actually have a world record. Walking seven hundred feet above the streets. There Chicago blindfolded. A lot of this training was walking blindfolded. Walking with an oxygen tank walking with a gas mask. Trying to simulate. Okay what are the worst cases that I'm going to face that I'm more than prepared to take that first step? If I didn't prepare that way physically then I wouldn't be prepared mentally and and I can tell you I wouldn't be able to take that first step but also tell you that that first step. There's definitely some fear in me. In fact I'm writing a book. Right now. Overcoming fear and a lot of it is about taking that first step even though there's a little bit of a reserve a little bit of fear you still have to take that first step. I think so. Many people give up on their dreams and their passions because the door closes or because they're nervous or they're scared to do what they're about to do. Well the reality is I want to encourage inspire people to take that first step and just like me. You'll make it across the other side and your dreams will come true. Do you have irrational fears like? I'm scared of frogs. I'm mortified I call the cops on one. It was in my house. I called nine one one. Do you have any sort of irrational fears as my daughter. I you know I guess I I consider what what you consider a fear I turn it to respect and I guess I can't necessarily comprehend what you're saying when I walk up to the edge of skyscraper. My heart rate goes up. I realized this is dangerous. I check if that stem wall strong or not and I'm GonNa Lean on before I lean on it so I would say I don't like snakes. I don't like spiders but the reality is I'm not scared of them. I respect them so I keep a respectful distance between us. And I've also learned that I can overcome those fears by spending more time and slowly acclimating so slowly getting closer to a snake and slowly eventually. Okay now I can touch a snake that someone's holding it and now I can hold one but again it's a process and again for me walking on the wire it's been a process an entire life long process for me volcano live with Nick Melinda Wednesday march fourth eight. Pm ON ABC in your family. Is this going to be considered the most impressive and dangerous one that has been done like in terms of degree of difficulty? The family member who holds I did the biggest baddest thing is blank. You know I would hope so I would tell you. There's a lot of competition a lot of air against there as well so that'll come out or not but certainly for my immediate family. I know they will certainly believe that I know it's the most difficult thing I've ever attempted. I've walked over the Grand Canyon. I've walked over Niagara Falls again. Eleven Guinness World Records that a lot of things no one would ever dream of at Heights. No one would ever dream of taking risks beyond what is somewhat comprehendible So and this to me. Is Everything Times ten? Who's the family member that would make the best argument on the other side now? What I did was better. This thing I did was there was just A. I don't know I didn't know that they'll have a good argument. But they'll definitely argue. I guarantee you that all right. It's Nick will end of volcano live with Nick will end on Wednesday march fourth. Abm ON ABC I'm nervous holding his stomach his holding his stomach. Because you're you're making us all a little A little sick a little afraid as you pursue life a little differently than the rest of us are good luck on Wednesday. Well thank you so much. I'm a little nervous a little frayed too and I appreciate you guys is concerned guys tuning in live on ABC. Thank you sir. We appreciate it in life. There are talkers and there are doers. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. Mike Bloomberg is spent his life getting things done starting his business at a one room office. Mike Built a company with twenty thousand employees all with good pay and quality healthcare elected mayor in the aftermath of nine eleven. Mike got to work helping rebuild shaken city creating nearly five hundred thousand new jobs expanding health care for nearly seven hundred thousand New Yorkers. Now there's a clear choice. Do you want a debater or Dur? Someone who can fix healthcare. Who's done it? 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Yeah you know what I mean the Nice Guy when you're dating I'm telling you know. Nice guys finish last through Stugatz. Okay thank you. I was in the military dating. Okay you don't WanNa be nice when you don't want to be nice veteran. Dater Nice guys finish last. You mentioned that a couple of times already. Thanks these libertador show with the STUGOTZ ON ESPN radio. If you missed any of the show you can listen to all three hours of the Dan lebatardshow plus our Miami only hour and our best of podcast on demand in the ESPN APP and subscribe to the Laboratory. In France podcast network featuring South Pete sessions stupidity mystery grape leaves rate and subscribe new episodes posted every week. Wherever you get your podcast I mean I'll have in. Who's not here this week? Giving the straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless everything relax at Walmart. That's what it says here. I'm just telling you I'm not blaming anybody you Paul Salon. You could have said something else but you just bury Roy. Yeah you could just ignored it. Gave you know what two dollars get. Outta here. Just get Outta here okay. Hold on the money is okay three dollars zero. Get outta here. Go to the penalty box Monday. Iou Mike Ryan is in Los Angeles. He is. This is the laziest show that he's ever done. He is doing what? What are you doing what are you? What are you doing Mike? The clip that Toma Clip. We don't have a about your appearance on Sunday on. What are you doing Sunday again? We have a CLO- Inter Miami take on L. AFC the analyst Season Kicks off its twenty fifth anniversary Dan. Espn has been partner. The entire way and I'm going to be on the pre game coverage alongside Susannah Collins for MLS countdown can watch it on. Espn plus facebook Twitter all the all the GIZMOS over there. All right good. What he's drinking kills movie. Of course he has all right. Let's turn him down to and because this is a very delicate ecosystem here We have Dave and sow they have They've won the Jimmy V. Charity Auction. What did those guys pay? It's it's it's crazy. It's something a lot of money. Okay it's a lot of money doing a lot. It's like cancer. Tens of thousands of dollars and what they can do right now to for the Pike. Cancer is get the hell out of our delicate ecosystem and go sit. Was God's house in the penalty box him. I can't have just dude sitting in the middle of what it is. We're doing here as if it's some sort of playground. I don't care how much money they've spent like honest to God. We're just going to sit in the middle of everything that we're doing so that I can't do the show. You're not making this difficult enough on me. Today was just being generally terrible and Mike being the laziest he's ever been Chow Babe. Chow Babe Tony what is going on with mystery crate this way. Dan. I'm glad you asked. 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Because we're handling a lot right now with all of the podcast and I just want to reprimand very quickly The audience here as I'm getting a great many complaints because you guys very often spend a lot of time complaining because you want us to do the show that you exactly yourself want and don't realize that the guy next to you or woman next to you might want something different so I'm getting an Avalanche Volcano of complaints on that will end the interview. And I'm like what the bleep do you people want like honestly? Where is your standard honestly? Like I'm dead serious like I want to just nuclear bomb. My mentions and what's happening here. You people who don't like that interview. You need to jump into a volcano. All of you need to jump into a volcano. Because what do I have to put in front of? You accept a guy who's walking a tight wire over a volcano who's lost several family members. Doing this ridiculous thing. If that ten minute conversation is not good enough for you you need to be burnt to death by gargling lava though careful. I care about you ten dollars. I'm just trying to think of a interview that I could say as a joke if I was trying to entertain someone. I'm reading some guys. Walking over volcano. That sounds like a ridiculous thing that whenever actually happened but we talked to him. I know and I don't understand how it is that you like. Did you want me to talk about the sixers again? Is that what you want me to do there and be out for a week? They don't know how bad the shoulder injury is. The guy is not going to have a shoulder injury. If there's some sort of disaster on Wednesday night his family's GonNa make a good amount of money because he's pays hundreds of thousands of dollars in liabilities but the guy is doing something on television that Harkens back to a different day in television. He is risking his life in an obvious way. And that's not good enough for you. He kind of made it seem like NBD. You know what I mean like. He was there and he's like You know I've walked thousands of miles on this tight rope and I practice in ninety mile an hour winds and I wear gas masks oxygen things like time. I get to win day. It's going to be easy breezy what I WANNA hear is. He's going to have a chainsaw. There's going to be a bear on the other side of the robot GonNa be really really dangerous. You know what I mean and this whole thing about I don't. I'm not afraid of snakes. I respect snakes. Hey Hey nick your freighter snakes all right. I don't care what you say all right. There's NO I. I meditate with the Snakes Fund. A relationship but none of them. You're afraid of snacks that's it. I'm sorry Nick Donlevatar fall raindrops relevent drops and gone drops array. That would be two guards standing outside with my mouth open. Why I fall the raindrops relented and Johnson gumdrops. That would be these libertar- show with this to God's on Espn Radio Espn. Radio is presented by Progressive Insurance. All guests on the Dan lebatardshow appear via the Shell Pennzoil performance. Line here's your sportscenter. Update former Alabama wide receiver henry rugs. The third ran a four to seven forty during the NFL. Combine that's point. Oh five seconds off the record set by former Washington receiver John. Ross in two thousand Seventeen Fast Jerry. Jones said he is not opposed to Dez Bryant returning to the cowboys at finally Amazon's largest warehouse is the size of seventeen American football fields. Sports Center brought to you by advance auto parts think ahead big advance at one of four. Batteries is about to fail. Get a free battery tests and free installation with any automotive battery. Purchase only at advance auto parts for all the latest headlines and information tune the sportscenter on ESPN radio all throughout the day. Let's update the polls. Here's to got some. We'll open up the club in the next segment. Mike Ryan is in Los Angeles. He's going to be doing. Mls stuff on Sunday front facing mls stuff. And so when you went out there Mike Ryan in the flight was okay. Like which don't you have an airline seat preference that Did you get what you needed? Dan? The best seat in an airline isn't in first class unless you got one of those fancy new airplanes where you get like your own cube. The best seat in any airline is the exit row. There's a seat. Sometimes that doesn't have a seat in front of it so you can kick your legs out all the way. I got that seat but also I think I've said some sort of Guinness Book World Record where. My Monitor for the movie doesn't work. There's a cross country flight. Dan Can't just twiddle my thumbs for six hours but I finally learned how to fix it. It's happened so often. I've always been afraid to speak up because I just don't like doing that stuff. But if you hold the power in the homes of button down at the same time reset. I got to watch Joe Joe Rabbit. It was all right. Okay thank you for sharing or you guys put it on the poll. Antonio we will update the polls in his second Is the exit row seat with no seat in front of it better than a first class seat on an airplane one time my TV wasn't working? And I mentioned it to the flight attendant and they because I said it. They didn't tell me about Mike's Little Hack. They restarted. Everybody's maybe they got a couple other complaints right all of a sudden. I felt responsible because people were just watching stuff to my right and then all of a sudden they're like okay. We're going to restart the system. There's a couple of not working and people have heard me complain so they're kind looking at me like you're the reason but all of them but also if they don't fix it you can complain to the airline and they'll give you miles a free flight. I'm sure Su- God's you've run into this situation on some flights where your monitor isn't working you can take them to like you can take him to the cleaners. I have taken into the cleaners. Yeah sometimes it's working and still it doesn't work and I still take them to the cleaners. I listen Mike you are right. You've figured out strategy on airlines especially a cross country flight. You could blame for five hours. You will get like the next five flights for free. It's amazing it really is play about. Though I was a hero to my road tube because in the exit row you're supposed to get like unlimited drinks and the first server came by gave everybody free drinks second one. I guess didn't notice that we were in an exit row and started charging people vodkas. Sounds like hello wait a second? She got to give everybody refund so I was a fan of mine but man did. I make you took a straw poll. I don't think they hero would be devoted. Hero the hero. I five anybody. Because a corona but they they. They showed their support. Happy Twenty First Birthday. Happy Twenty first birthday to Luca Donncha. Happy Birthday to him. I don't care. Good luck the Beluga Whale. Mike did you have something. There are no. Yeah have you seen? How many triple doubles. He's had before turning twenty one he just turned twenty. One twenty one triple doubles before turning twenty one. I think the next closest seven by Magic Johnson. We need to start talking about him like he's the best player in the NBA. I know Jaanus is probably GonNa go far into the playoffs and might win a second. Mvp But Lucas coming forward and he's going to change our perception of what an elite basketball superstar is. Because for the life of me. I can't figure it out. He's not athletic. It's nuts it's not. I did not have when you saw basketball changing the way it's change we're Joel embiid is roaming around the three point line and Jaanus is bringing the ball up the court when at any other point in history that somebody would have stuck him in the post and demanded that he be a back to the basket player and only that to have Lucan tonsured. Someone who looks like Luca Danni which is not that big is really fitter than everyone else white international and no one can stop the dude. It's totally impossible to stop him. That is not how I had the sport evolve and you guys are going to arguably the best arena crowd of the NBA season today. You're going with the beef. Foundation auction winners All the Slovenians have come into town for gorringe aga versus Luca Danni shirts. I don't know if you remember matchup. It's crazy it is not. It is so much more fun than I mean looked. Miami's pretty fun okay. Miami's pretty good in general even without the Slovenian but then nuts. You're totally nuts. They come in and they turn it into the turned into like it feels like one of these international soccer matches where people have been drinking for six. They get there early. I mean I hope they get there but the third winter I won't see him. They are loud. They are loud and they are crazy. We got an update some things here. We made some mistakes we got update the polls at Lebatardshow and billy. What were the mistakes we made earlier in the show that need cleaning up so when we play that sound of James Harden where he was saying that he thinks he has more assistant were like does he have more assists than Yarmuth? He was talking about Kemba Walker. Let the record show. James Harden was talking about Kimball Walkers this number conquer 'cause Janas picked harden instead of Or picked Kemba Walker instead of harden. Also when? I was joking that I wanted to have a ride called the line. Apparently South Park episode. But we don't need to worry about always alcott open okay. We're all on wait a minute. People are accusing you of stealing something from South Park. Some people have other people like wow. It's really good idea and I'm like yeah. It is someone else apparently had it also. Just ignore them bill at Lebatardshow Stugatz on the polls. What do we have so far before we open up the club? I also want over the weekend. I want the audience to think long and hard. I want to build out this lebatardshow Amusement Park. That has at centerpiece. I don't know whether it's an amusement park or just like a like yellowstone park but it's got a giant waterfall of stugotz lies in it also nearby fountain of Manipulation. Yeah and ride this ride that we just stole from someone else has a perfect use. The HASHTAG Libertad Amusement Park it goes laws. They're paying to come in so long stagnant has got a better one. No Hashtag Lebo Park Lever Pas de Lebo Park Park L. E. B. A. P. A. R. K. Help US OUT. And fill out this amusement park or that we're trying to create go ahead and update the polls to guys wearing the same clothes yesterday. Ninety six percent of the audience said yes designer Bra do Pinatas come with candy now. Mine Sixty three percent of the audience said No. You didn't know that did you. You often not his game. With God's I thought no Pignon is came with rocks like the one from your childhood ceramic. Anyway what is more delightful stews? Parents not knowing the book candy in Pinata his or billy almost dying after taking legal. Pd's to gain weight all right so if you're not remembering what happened earlier in the show. God said that is the seven year old his parents. The candy doesn't fall far from the tree. The Rock so far from the tree parents didn't realize the didn't have any candy pottery in it and been Yata and so it's God's got rocks as a seven year. Old that fell from the kids took them about three minutes to realize it wasn't candy so there were fighting over the rock. Billy if you weren't with US earlier in the show really took some sort of weight gain supplement and it rotted his kidneys and knocked him out for a year appoval forever. I never took again my career just talking to GNC any as they always there. No it's the opposite of what? Gnc supposed to do. Which is they didn't enhance your performance. They nearly killed you. They ended your performance ended in a little mall down here at Lebatardshow on twitter if you vote on the poll. Congratulations Villi. Fifty five percent of the honey said. Your story is more delightful thick great story. You went into an answer before they ended it. It's funny you. Do you know that and USA silly auto isn't Zombie? We know we know. Let's see what the poll says. Eighty seven percent of the audience said now we don't know. Should the volcano been cooler for billy to swim more comfortably? Eighty five percent of the audience that Yes sir. They ride with billy on just about anything. He thought the volcano he swam in wasn't cool enough. Who is more likely to refer to his twelve year old son as boy? That's a good question. Madison Bumgarner mad bomber. Jake ARRIETTA eighty three percent of the aid. Said Bumgarner all right. We're GONNA open up the club here next and get to the rest of the polls whatever's remaining donlevatar Friday. I'm getting into the weekend I WANNA get my drain Con Stugatz. Got Open Up. The club opened. I would age open now but is the computer. Buffering there is this is Libertar- show with stugatz on. Espn radio today on ESPN daily eight. The Toronto Raptors are better than anyone expected but can they actually contend in the playoffs. That's ESPN's daily would mean a con presented by Adt download subscribe and Review Espn Daily. It's terrific you can get it wherever you enjoy your podcast. Because God's his always blow torching me with takes during the break sending Cinching side of my face. He just got done muttering or about sixty games into the NBA season. I can't believe how good the thunder have been. Jesus like he's spitted at his computer. Because Chris Paul has been a nemesis for a long time. He loves ripping Chris. Paul even though hers. Paul and this is the truth. Stu Gods has more clutch points. This season last five minutes of game than anybody in the sport like has. He's carrying everything about that team. A contract the rockets could not get rid of this off. See I mean Jesus to God's his so looking so bad here what do you WanNa tell people about the thunder? Because nobody's going to buy in on? What the thunder are doing. They're basically just three contenders. They've won five straight up believes in January first day of the second best record in the NBA. Which is just insane. And you're right about how great. Chris Ball has been in crunch time he has been as good if not better than anyone in the NBA. I just can't believe that team with Chris. Paul with all the turnover that they've had on that team They can continue to be thirty. Seven and twenty two in the West. Chris Paul is good STU GODS. I know do because you always telling us. He's not that good. I object to with people like Stephen a Smith saying he's a top five point guard of all time that he is not. He's good he is not great. That's why object might Ryan's face from Los Angeles. Feeling tremors what Mike top-five probably right. I've five five problem. You know what maybe no John? Stockton Stephen top-five anything. If you've never wanted to bring never even been listening to a conference. Final teamed up with James Or. Did I get yeah? You cannot be a top five anything if you've never wanted championship you can't guarantee you. I guarantee you your top five point cards feature at least two. That have won a ring. Magic Johnson you're digging deep hole. Here's to got Emma. I say I have socked Isaiah. Thomas Zeke Bob. Cousy coups day. You don't need to write out there fly. I got going Gaga opened up the club. I turned on top five point guards of all time Steph Kerry Kerry. He's not shooting guard as the point guard distributor. Go head billy. What's the first sound in the club? The heavyweight championship of the world is the one time where I understand where the fighter says. I'm willing to risk my life. He should he should every night he died. Who ELSE IN CLUBS? I'm willing to sacrifice on the altar of greatness. Yes I think the corner has to take that seriously who was agreeing with Kellerman. There we ever find out. Who was that Andre Lingerie Ward? Who Else in the club? Texans next Kellerman come on. It's Ok Tedi is in the rain kind of crossing tax. A great action to respect next Kellerman. Come on you've seen it still Katie. Dies in the rain or kind of crap is was he says what else we got my last name Judy. He was sometimes told me shortly. Do like one do do star. I'm not Jewish. Though in the club took I forgot to play a song. Who Else in the club Oscar Robertson by the way the big O? Triple double with Jim. Who Else in the club you? That's right great. Trash dog from a Bowler Pete Weber. Who else we got. I was GONNA say task I meant Dak botched it terrible do now. I don't be boxed women see I didn't answer any of this. I have no money for the day. Walk to the ocean. What do you want me to do super bowl weekend migrated then?

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Ep 25: Dave Bautista

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

1:13:11 hr | 3 years ago

Ep 25: Dave Bautista

"You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum. Hi, rob Hollis. Hi, Michael. Rosenbaum. Good to see. My friend always a treat big guest when I say big actually, mean, big, literally, and figuratively. Yes. I mean, physically, this guy is a presence. You guys took your shirts off and tried to flag. Well, I took my shirt off. Oh yeah. He had his on, but I actually took my shirt off. I think it will arm with the size of the year booed his torsos bigger than my entire body, the skies, Dave Batista. He was a professional wrestler, you, you know him in his wrestling days. He talks about everything how we met, which I up surprised that he remembered. Well, yeah, he did an episode of smallville and he the guardians with me and just a amazing guy. Some of these stories that he tells like he hasn't told one of these stories which you'll hear which was just like, holy shit. You like got in a fight in a fistfight at Fudd ruckers cheese and rice man. That was some intense stuff. He has got a hard a gold. He looks out for his friends. He could kick your ass. My ass for sure. Sure. I think you're gonna love this interview. This is day Batista. It's my pawn. You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rose. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience. You know, we play a little music here. We have Bambi called shit. Sandwich became the sandwich because I don't think people wanted to book us. And then they heard us and they said, yeah, we should have just kept the title spitting, but we, we play like, you know, I'm a big seventies fan. I grew up in southern Indiana. So we we like a little southern rock mixed them with eighties a little taste of the wallflowers in the nineties eagles ask. Sure. Where are you from? I grew. I was born in New York. I grew up in southern Indiana. Which Evansville did you ever wrestle in Evansville. Yeah, stadium. Yeah, I don't know that was the big place or the right now have the Honda. I don't remember we, I was there more at smaller high schools and stuff on it because I did. I did Ohio valley wrestling in Louisville, Kentucky was that pretty intense. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was way, but they, you know, they paid me to be there. It was like I had a job to work. How old were you thirty? That's pretty good job wrestling. Yeah, I was bouncing before that. I was like, right when I got into wrestling, they pay me to go to to train there. So I was there for two years. Did you like Indiana? Yeah. Did you dead? Yeah. Why'd you hate it? No, I loved it. I was kind of a nerd though. Grown up. I wasn't. I wasn't pop- popular. No, no. I think I could have been. Are they? We all have been. I think I was just such an introvert. You know, I was such an introvert and I was so socially awkward that I just never. I never applied myself to being a popular really now. I was really athletic owes good at sports. I just just quiet. I just always felt out of place. Man. I just never felt like I fit in so I wasn't that type of kid. Are you still there? Yeah, I'm still like. Do you still feel that in a way? No, no, not no way completely. Well, why is that? Because I feel the same way where people are all you're so confident you go out, you could talk to anybody, but there's some weird thing where I feel like I have to sort of be the center of attention sometimes because then I'll be accepted. Right? I don't feel that way at all. So you room and do the opposite. I don't like you in the center of attention at all. You don't like being the center of attention at all. I will tell you this you one of the nicest guys ever met you? I'm sure you've heard this, but like you look at this, Jonathan, your friend over there who's known you since get has. It was always nice. You can just nod. You're not always a nice guy. Jonathan wouldn't hang out with an asshole. This. Oh. Chatted up, your big, do you could probably I've, I've read shit about you, you, you can easily hurt someone if you needed to. You have when you needed to. I read that too, but you know, how do we meet? Well, we met an to religion store. Let's the first time we met because I came up and say, hey, Mike, you played. It was forever goes before I got act and it was like, I, I think I might have still been wrestling, but I saw you and I was excited to see you. And I like awkwardly introduced myself and said, I was, you know, fan and I was, I said, also didn't episode of smallville and and but we didn't have any scenes. There was a very small part from you. It was actually one of my first acting gigs I wasn't. I didn't. I just wanted to be there because it was superman related. He loves. I wasn't. Yeah, and I wasn't because at that time I wasn't at all interested in acting. I just wanted to Russell and they said, what would you do? This partner said, hell. Ya and basically went and just played myself. I was, I played a professional wrestler who was disguised as alien. That's pretty much what what the character was you loved it. I, I love to be on the show. I didn't love. I wasn't in love with acting at that point. I just I just wasn't interested to go back for a second because it was years led. I recently it was a couple months ago we were out of convention, and some woman came up to me goes, hey, who's. Working at the convention goes, hey day Batista would like to say Hello to you. And I go now is probably I know we've met, but I don't really. It's gotta be Michael Rooker works. He's not as a mistake. I hope they're not. He doesn't wanna see Jew Rosenbaum mistaken me for Rooker. There's nothing more embarrassing than going up to you then going. So there's been a problem mistake care. You're not Rooker and I. So I said it if he's, she goes, no, he made it clear he wants and I went back. And you were at this little booth privately signing. You just got in there and go, hey, man, I just I just wanted to say, Hello. I heard here and I just felt like immediately like fucking, I love this. What would a do does that is so weird to me that you wouldn't think that I was like, I wanted to say Hello to you near there and we're getting ready to leave. And I was like, I didn't wanna leave without saying, I think that's such a beautiful thing. I mean, I immediately came home. I told my friends, like, dude, I mean, he didn't have to do. There's a lot of actress who I've met, who seen when I said, hey, could you get Michael Rosenbaum over here? Love to say Hello to one they don't. They just don't do that in Hollywood. No, although I don't live in a you live. Where do you live in Tampa Florida? Well, there I'm far far removed from high, never felt comfortable here and always felt like. I don't know. It was really, I was working out here, you know? And I don't like to feel like to be a normal person. I'd like to live normal life in. What do you notice about when you're here? What's the feeling? Do you have a certain feeling of like, this is bullshit I'm going from beating the meeting. I'm not my how. How do you know? I'm always myself. I always I don't. I don't put on an air for anybody always tried to be myself, I, but I always feel like I'm, I feel like I'm being judged. I also also feel like I when I talk to people and it's not, and you know, it's not your, you know, I don't. It's, it's so what are you doing? What are you into now? What's next is that's always what it is. I don't like that. I just wanna be like, that's the thing, whether it's an age in or at someone would you want to now what are you working on? It feels so disingenuous feels like and almost you feel compelled for a long time. I felt compelled to just be like, oh, I got this movie coming out and I got this because you if. You don't, then you're nobody. But that's not how it really is. You have to be comfortable with yourself. So I understand what you're talking about, but I sorta react where now people say, hey, what are you up to say, hey, I'm just enjoying life even if I got stuck on. I'm just saying I'm just enjoying life and trying to trying to find my purpose and trying to be happy. I'm trying to trying to live. Yeah, I don't find it easy to talk about myself either. I'm not self promoting person like I've even. I've tried to intentionally make more of an effort to be self promoting on my social media because I'm just not good at it. I'm not even. I'm not good at selfie taking, but that's who you are, but I want I want. I wanna grow. I want. I wanted to take a step up. I wanna move up in this industry to. So I also I try to make an effort, but it is against my instincts. You know, what's funny is as you talk since this pockets, I don't know if you noticed, but my energy is sort of gotten I I'm not going to say lower, but in a good way, I've gotten more comfortable. You put me at ease a little bit. You're my friend. Thank you. You're just like your real. And sometimes I feel like I got, I gotta talk to somebody like I have an energy and a monotone person. I don't think I am none. Would you say I'm not that guy John? No, you're definitely your energetic person. I think it's it's, it's good. It feels good. It's a good. You like it too positive in czar ballot. We're balancing together with your monotone me with my high energy, even like, likewise, the first time we met, you didn't know me from any anybody in and you just were very, like nice and pleasant, and you remember that. I remember that was first impressions to me. Are everything everything? Yeah. And then it's just, you know, it's one of those things when you at that point, I was just a fan coming up to say Hello and people. I, I really think you can judge a person by the way they treat their fans, either you judge a person by the way they treat everyone. Yeah, true. And you know, it's for me, it's like my parents may not have been the best parents, but I always had respect when I met anybody. My Doug, oh my God, you, you'd flirt with the dude who at the cashier at Burger King was like, hey, man, how's your day? Just that's kind of who I am. It's it's, it's a very true statement. But at at the same time, you have to look at people who have been in that spotlight and they. Start to change. They start to get jaded and they start to treat the fans, you know differently, you know, kind of shut him out a little bit, and I don't like that. You see that. I see it all the time. And how does it make people that you work with people that you were closely with people that you probably don't even want to mention on the podcast you've seen it and just shake your head, go Faulk. Yeah. And I have to say that on very few occasions. So I've been very lucky. I've had a lot of very great experiences with the with great people in this industry of had only a few really don't really a few bad eggs. Have you ever by the way, Dave Batista. Thanks to allow me to be inside of you today. Forgot to say that that's how he do. That's all rob. You think you were waiting for or was this kind of thing? We weren't. We're not even recording yet then now we're recording. So that was recorded. You talk about just how you respect people and how and I read somewhere where you you really respected your parents because they worked really hard and my mother, your mother, you respected. My father is not. Been a part of my life and I want to get on a negative. He's never been a part of my life. He's never been supportive of me, but my mother on the other hand is always been wonder, woman. She has been man. She's she's the reason I am who I am. My mother's a person of very high standards dignity. She's of area gracious person. She's a very giving person's very a liberal freethinking person. It always it's, it's, it's conversation me. It said some people find it odd, but they, you know, they look at me and see that. I'm, you know, a big athletic person, but I was I was raised by a single as Bian, you know, took a single lesbian to to man. You know she, but she's a very strong woman. I just love her and respect her. And I mean, how important is it? And you go on about that. It's like, you know people in their lives. If you don't have a role model and you'll have somebody look up to your practice, your own environment. I'm running that I believe, you know, nurture over nature. And a lot of ways. I mean, you're, you're dealt with certain things biologically, but I also think that with good parenting with good role models with good people around you, they kind of make you who you are. Definitely, you know, I believe that as well as people can become products of their environment, new good or bad because you had a tough childhood. Yeah, yeah. And I, and again, my mom was always that she was at beacon. She was that she was angel on my shoulder. You know, tell me when sometimes you know beating me really into heading the right direction. Yes, she was. She was not afraid to get physical and and she knew sometimes she had two more you a big guy. Then I was a big big kid. I was bigger than my mom when I was probably twelve years old. Like I said, my mom, you know, single mom. She was working most of the time and we, you know, we grew up in the ghetto. She were running these h. in DC, be back and forth between DC and San Francisco. But how does she do that? She work and then able to get your shit together. Exactly. Why are you doing. Exactly. What trouble were you getting into? I was a stealing and fighting and going out in the middle of the night to sneaking out running in San Francisco, running with gangs. We around a lot of violence. Yeah. Even to when I was a teenager, I was still getting a lot of trouble a lot of fights. I fought a lot when I was well. How'd that get started? Because you were big and people would start fights with, you know, you know, I don't know. I think a lot of times you just you're when you're on the wrong environment about environment you're around. You know, other people that are also in bad environment. There's nothing positive gone on man enough. Do there's no looking for something to do something get into dad, wasn't there? My dad wasn't there over in. We just, you know, you know, you young and the wrong environment and mean don't you think that had a lot to do with it. He sort of you felt you felt abandoned and you had a lot of anger towards that. You know, maybe it's just weird. Here's the thing. I, I don't know if I did. And the reason why is because I don't really know what it ever felt like dabid dead, so it's not like he was there and then he wasn't right, you know. So I miss it. You know, I just I didn't have what I definitely didn't have that guidance. I know. I don't know exactly what that guidance would have been, how the situation would have been. You know, if it would have been different my parents together, but it just wasn't possible for them to be together. My mom's lesbian. She was in love with a woman, and that's just the way that went. She didn't like my daddy wasn't a good father, so they just went their separate ways. And that was actually how my mom ended up in San Francisco. She said she wanted to get as far away from my father. She sees she did. All right, yeah. And so anyway, that was flip out when she told them he she was a lesbian onto no, no says a very now they were, you know those one of those things that they had. I don't think they got. They weren't together my whole life. I remember them trying to make it work like one time which lasted a couple of months. And other than that. They didn't really get a divorce until like well into the eighties. Because they never, they never had that type of falling out. It wasn't and they really only got a divorce because my dad wanted to get remarried. So otherwise you'd still be married? Yeah, you still be married. All right. And they actually still have, you know, a very functional relationship. They still get along with each other. You won't talk to him now just because for you know, for a lot of different reasons. You know, I think the reason I really, really stop talking to them just kind of cut him out of my life is because he wasn't a good father to me, which bothered me a little bit. But what really bothered me the most was that he didn't even try to be a good grandfather to my children and the one that he wasn't there for them. The two grandkids? No, I have. I have more actually more now. Yeah. Yeah, that's a whole different story too. You have enough my one, my one daughter, yeah, she's a trouble child. Well should not child anymore. She's your own be, but she started young and she's been having kids. It's an a strange relationship. So you got a twenty six year old twenty eight year old twenty seven. That's got. That's another story. But actually it's not. I apologize. She's twenty eight twenty eight. So I I mean, I've read so much shit. Like I mean, here you are as a teenager getting fight, stealing no guidance, your mother trying to give you whatever she can't. She's working her ass off. People died in your front lawn. Is this true it? Well, it wasn't technically our front law. So there's an alley right next door house and the sky killed like right in right in the alley. So he was kind of sitting there on the gate. You saw him everybody did. It was like the whole neighborhood was air in this guy. That's got this. What does that feel like? I guess for a tough kit for me, I shit my pants because I didn't see that shit when I was growing. It's weird. My mother and I have completely different recollections of it. And I don't remember. My mom, my mom says she was freaked out, but she was more freaked out that we weren't bothered by it. We were kind of late really late at night and we because everybody was outside had come outside and was gathered around this. We took advantage in went out and played with our friends at night because we thought it was cool to be out at night playing with our friends, and we weren't all bothered by this dead guy next to our house and that that was soon after that my mom packed us up and and we took off, we hadn't San Francisco. My neighborhood would have shut the fuck down if no, just I mean, just for just you've seen sauce stuff but that you saw so much so many different things at this didn't shock you that much now didn't you know a lot of violence of the time? There was a lot of DC was very violent city. As far as I can remember up until the even into the nineties. It was very violent and it was not uncommon to wake up and you know, somebody's been shot. Somebody's been killed over there shoes. Did you feel you had a death wish not at all you didn't feel like see. I think growing up like I got some. I was depressed at times and I would get really dark and I was like, I always felt like I was never gonna live that long. I don't think I had a death wish. I think I thought like most kids who think that they're never going to die. Really? You felt the opposite of you felt like I'm gonna live forever. I could do nothing bad's going to happen to me and everybody else. I don't know. I guess you become numb to things, man. You see them so often, and they're just not, you know, they become commonplace and you just don't get freaked out. So fighting, doesn't even bother anymore. Someone like women, someone bothers you when when you get pissed off. Yeah, I don't like to fight. Yeah, I feel horrible after I will fight. I will fight to prove a point, but I feel horrible. After we'll start, we'll we'll get that feeling inside you that like I gotta kick this guy's ass. What would push your button. Well, it would have would take somebody being real disrespect one and typically would take somebody being disrespectful to someone I cared about said they call GIO pussy that wouldn't do it. It would depend on who the guy was. You know if the guy was my size and felt like he was, you know, he's testing me and yeah, we'd probably gonna fight felt was a smaller guy. I felt like buddy and I, I'm not gonna. Yeah, I'm not gonna. I don't want to do this. Michael said, he wants to try to fight. Hey, Dave europe-us like I for thirteen years. So I've had all kinds of, you know, guys, would you know be your muscles come up and start trying to start giving us a fine. No, but I've had, I've had some rough once I got in a fight. I gotta fight with this kid who I didn't want. I didn't. It was like happened so fast. That escalated so fast. I didn't even know I was going to be in a fight, but he hit me with this wet floor sign. Knocked me. So silly. We had no fighting this Fudd rockers hamburger place. Are you there? John knows with my girlfriend who happened so fast. What? What? How did it? Do you remember how it started? Yeah, this guy was us looking girlfriend and I looked over at him and when was this? It was nineteen ships ninety five six around there. But anyway, this kid's looking at me girlfriend over him. Wisey being so disciplined. This friend says something to him meant you know that I'm looking at him and he goes, he goes, I don't give a shit. I'll punch minutes face three times before he hits me once he was much more than me. And I was like, what did you say? And you? He's like, all aggressive said you, fuck. I said, so I just pushed him any FIS back and he goes, oh, hell no, no. And he goes any picks up his wet floor sign and comes and goes, and I think he's going to do it any wax me on the head with and you stumbled and not only did I stumbled, but then he tackles me. We go flying back into the salad bar. We. I swear to God. We break this far. We've China anyway, I start. We start fighting. Then I started beating us. Kids asked and we ended up outside. I've got this kid and I'm like, choking him, and he finally goes, all right. All right. All right. So I let them go. And then I'm just a disaster and my salad all over your girlfriends. All right. Let's go. And I like the restaurants. Disaster was like, I don't know. There's just go. And so anyway we left. And then later the police came and arrested me, they start it. No. Well, apparently because I pushed him, I started. Not only you know they ended up trumping all the charges, but they did arrest me for and then and but the and also because because we left, they said, we left the scene of a crime you ever told that story. Not a nano. I liked that story. It's a pretty incredible because you don't expect some guy a lot smaller than you is going to start a fight with you and hit you with a what is it. What is it that? Yeah, it was one of those yellow. What hours. Hurt. That was so funny hit me like right in the corner. I actually had this big Markle my Jesus and those guys just got heart and I didn't. I just escalated so fast. I didn't heart. He was a little insane. It was. I think it was a little ghettos what he was just, you know, some kids from down those nuggets down, you know, but you know, I'm kind of the same way, you know, I, I'd rather not. I'd rather not find them a peaceful guy. Yeah, but I will. We don't have well, I'll go there, but I just rather not. It's pretty amazing story robbery that probably you've been in a fight, not a real on what's? What's a fake one. I mean when I was a kid. Scuffle. I don't know what the playground kind of. Oh. Hit a few times. I've gotten fights. I haven't won a lot of them a lot of hockey, but you know, I was, I had a big mouth that was my sort of mechanism or somebody would pick on me and I would go and I'd say something real smart and they couldn't top it laugh. So he punched me in the face. Off the punch me in the face. Inside of you is brought to you by stitch fix rob, you know, stitch fix. Yeah, I help at your profile for this because you're a little literate when it comes to computers? 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And so I went to the owner of one of the clubs I worked at night. I asked him to borrow money so I could buy my kid's Christmas presents and remember like feeling so ashamed of it. And so on just worthless. I gotta make a change and that's when I decided to pursue wrestling or you drinker. No, never drugs, never. So you didn't get in any of that stuff that probably saved you out working out. My high work it out was your high and you did it every day every day if I could. Yeah, if I could work out every day I would work out. Why? Why did you start works out? Fell know. I felt normal and I was in the gym. I felt good and made me. I wasn't one of those guys when when one of those Charles atlas guys that people kick Santa my face and you know, and I wanted to lift weights and be tough. I just. I was always athletic. I was always a muscular kid, but I didn't start working out. So I was. I think in high school and that's why I just, I don't know man something. I guess it was the feeling you got a high out of it. It was therapy for me. You know, it just made me feel good. It was like, I guess, you know, could you quit it to somebody who would sit down and talk to a therapist and work on other problems? And that's what I did because I wasn't the type of guy who had just my guts. I wasn't the type of guy who just don't mush it on the table and ask somebody to help me with still that guy still a guy. Yeah, dry. They're pissed no end, but I'm not against it. You know, I believe in it. I have gone talk to therapists and I've tried to be better at communicating. My wife has a lot to do with that. Like say, what's on your mind like now don't. Guy, man. I like to, I just bottled it all something pisses you off and you don't say anything for weeks and then it bottles up. Other things. Have said, and then I have an, I think a lot of people do that. Yeah. And I'm like guy, and my wife always tries, and I always thought we, we have to find that happy medium because I'm I like I'll bottle it up and weeks later will come out and in resentment, y'all. But my wife is, you know, she wants to talk about stuff like now she don't want to go to bed if we're having an issue. And sometimes I I, she just can we just let it lie for just a little bit. You know, we'll talk about it, but not right now. And the reason I always say not right now because if I start talking about it, I'm just very blunt about things. I'm very blessing. You'll say across his mean, I don't. I just wanted. I want time to think about everything in process everything. So I can actually explain how I'm feeling. Why feeling this way instead of right, they're just throwing it out. So we tried to find that happy medium, but she's she's working with me and I'm working with her. I always say the wrong shit. Rob definitely says the wrong shit. Jonathan. Not too much cheese. He says he has no filter, man. I don't have much of a filter either. I say things than later, like sudden like a week later some you know, you said this. I'm like, oh, I was just kidding. I wasn't, but you can't. That's. That's why maybe talking about it right at that moment. No, no, no. I'm sorry for making you feel that way. But like when you wait things when they fest or too long when it's a week, two weeks and then you bring it up, there's no recollection there's no true. You don't see things vividly like it was just happened. You start to think. You took your, it's hard. You gotta. How long do you let it go? Man? I think I, you know, I always I'm one of those people like, say stuff and then. Think I met. I hope that came across the way I meant it to be in the obsess over like for days God, I hope and I didn't fend them. I was just joking. I hope they cut the joke. Well, you know, you picked a good profession to get into for something like that. Wrestling. It's like you say the wrong shit. You wanna stay the wrong yet. You know, with that was one of the things I really struggled with on with wrestling to begin with was to speak at all like it was a natural. I mean, it was a phobia of mine to public speaking was terrified of. So you just thought be as intimidating you as you can without having to say much. Yeah, because I was always a physical person. I knew I could rely on my physicality, and I thought I really wanted to to carry me through, but it was, you know, there came a point where again, I, if I wanted to move up wanted to progress in my career, I had to be a well rounded a professional wrestler. So which means you have to start speaking now start. Not start acting. It was my nightmare. There's always a catch. You can't just be yourself something, but my Pasha fires were. And people always ask me why always works on glasses and hats and stuff when I was in the ring promos and that was my pass, fire was hiding behind. Yeah, that's amazing. And how you became an actor which will get into, but so you're wrestling who you're wrestling icons like RIC flair. Did you like HOGAN where you like? Who are you who you really in new? It's fine. My, you know, my idol when I was going to the guy who I looked up to the most was not, you know, a common favourite, but his name was. He was the warlord the warlord. I sort of remember the warlord and the reason I love the warlord is because he was the most massive human being I've ever seen at that time. He was just enormous. I couldn't wait for him to come out because I just couldn't believe how big he was in those. You know, that's what I was just an all those those big guys. You had to like Andre, the giant. Yeah, but I, it was the big muscular, like Audrey was kind of a heavy guy. He was just he was a giant giant early. This guy the warlord was just all must muscle just Massachusetts fire to be him that you want to be as big as that guy. When when I first started lifting weights, I don't think I ever wanted to be that big. But I definitely I was always so long. You'd see just ganglion long limb. I just wanted to be not so awkward. You know, I wanted to be more muscular and just filled out a little bit, right, but never, you know, Mr. Olympia. So we'll get into wrestling desperation. I was. That's what it was. I was. That's why I told you I was I was broken the, how do you know like I'm gonna go there? Well, you know, there was, you know, it wasn't that much that I was qualified to do at the time and wrestling was really hot at that time. But they were also there was a company called WCW that was offering open tryouts. So I figure, you know, I'm an athletic person. I can figure this out. I think I look the part, you know? Yeah. I mean, that's might be an opportunity to go try this and I went for the trial and I paid going and trial, and they told me, you know, ram you into the ground said leave. You'll never be a freshman wrestler, did you did they beat the shit out of here for those whatever meet the show on me, it's it's a painful sport he could because people talk about, oh, well, things aren't real. They're, they're real when you get slammed on these mats when you get thrown around and and that's, I mean, that's why I don't like, you know, I see why. You know, people would use the word fake, and I don't like to use the word fake because to me, that always translates into safe and. And it's not safe. It's painful and absolutely herds, it's dangerous. So that's why I don't. But is, you know, obviously it's entertainment and it's predetermined, but it's just painful ships, very painful. Like throughout my career, I had think like thirteenth surgeries, unwise. Gama my biceps triceps back hamstring knows fused not fused. I had the laser surgery shaved down. I broke my back on a match issues before that, but it just put me over the top where my gimme scoliosis and my disres- all kind of messed up. You live in pads or frag not at all. You don't have any. I've had five Baxter's that got, oh, jeez. Oh, yeah. I'm always like, you know, my back's good Nabet my neck's been really. Yeah, fucked up. So. How's your testosterone? That's terrible. Finds a middle. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. My need to do something about that. For to stash strewn squats. I've heard that you know the better shape you in the more naturally, you raise your testosterone, but I don't know what the sciences behind that to be on. I can't believe you're not in any pain for all the fucking surgeries of yet? No, I'm going for another surgery on the second. I'm going to get my niece coped. I tore my meniscus about, I think, three or four months ago, boxing, and it finally got so bad. I was doing this film and it got so bad. I was like, man, I gotta go down and went an MRI this. Yeah, it's torn. You know, it's funny fix that still own who was in guardians with us. Yeah, we start talking because he's had so many Baxter's lay you have back surgery. I'm like, yeah, I've had like, fuck. I've thought back Sujudi my l four l five s swan. Yeah, that's what I have. I got fused over your doctor and I said this, this guy's name. That's my fucking kidding. This whole like he doesn't even call me back. You do a great Stallone to leave how good you still own. It was so much fun to work with, and he was so cool because like we got, I had these dots on my face for CG. I've told him, but he comes who you're supposed to be. Pippi Longstocking the fuckers this now, here's a treat, man. He was real treat to him. I had him sign my Rambo lunchbox, which we just talked about you, how many lunchboxes do you have and your? I was green hornet. No, my I was ET the, yeah, my my first lunch monks when I was a kid or the one I remember the most was fat. Our. But then I have one of those. How many do you have? I think I have like. Couple of hundred and where to keep them. Can you walk in your house and see them? I know I have a one, not really a man cave, but I got one room. It's kinda geeky room. It's got all my superhero. Well, you saw Mikey rooms. Yeah, you're way better than mine. So John, that's man. Now you've got like a man, your houses amazed. Jonathan said you had you had lightsabres you how many lights? Yeah, I don't have them anymore. We, you know, I downsized. And I have a smaller house. No. So a lot of that stuff downsized. You do that one more movies. It's not because after so I went, but after wrestling I was I, I went broke, you know, I left. I didn't know that. Yeah, I love wrestling I, it was three years that I barely worked in got hit a little bit from the IRS and and just went broke. So I had to start all over again. Yeah. What is that? Like? I mean, we skipped a whole wrestling phenomenon became huge, but I mean going from having money being known all this, I mean, how do you? How does that even happen? Like people always wonder how, how do they lose their money? Yeah, they do this. What's I mean? It's it's, you know, it's a whole different thing when you gotta check coming in, you know every week and then all of a sudden you don't have anything and you're you've been divorced. Yeah, and that and I'm still got all the same living expenses. I got people who are relying on me and then IRS comes in, they want all your money, you know? So it just, I mean, that's the way it happened and what what's the mindset? It's like, how do you even wrap that around? How do you do? How do you. What's the next step you? I gotta get a job again. That was it. And I, I never really stopped. I was constantly after I left wrestling, I was on a mission. I knew what I wanted to do, and I pursued it just it took a long time. I just I had a hard time getting audition. I couldn't get an agent, couldn't get additions. Well, how you take me back a little bit just in terms of the wrestling thing because I, that's so you go there. They beat the shit out of you, and then they said you're never going to be in a wrestler, right? Yeah. And you said most people would say, okay, you're right. Not a couple of days later, and then it's up to, you know, Jonathan. He helped me out with through that, and we started making phone calls to find different avenues into professional wrestling. After they sit fuck off. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what we did. We actually, I paid somebody to to train me to be professional wrestler in about a year later, we called the WWE in and they offered me a trial in the offering me a very low pain contract. What's the low paying contract for a relatives just starting my my contract was six hundred and fifty dollars a week and how many tiles addressable. It was training so I was going everyday. I was going to train in sometimes twice a day, but that's what I did. I learned. I went and learned how to be a professional wrestler, yeah, we packed up. We moved to Louisville, Kentucky, and that's where we live for two years. And that's where it really started to happen. What did they know? It was long after long after that, you know it was a down. There was a couple of injuries and a lot of young aches and pains. And when anyway, two years later I finally made onto the road and and it wasn't like this really horrible, horrible gimmick that they stuck me in and I still kinda lost. And that was when we'll gimmick I was. So there was this guy. Named Dion deadliest on this character, Reverend Yvonne, and he used his collection box or he was collecting money. So they did one episode where somebody's stole the collection box. So now he needed enforcer somebody to come in and protect the collection box Batista. So that was Batista was deacon Batiste I came in, I had this awful suit, and I had this big chain around my neck attached to the exterior box and I would come in. Aw, no didn't talk at the time. I would come in and just collect money, and that's when I was my part. I was when I do. So I mean that that probably started something right. Well, it did. It's, you know, think seemed to help as I was on television. I was getting television experience and it was then a wrestler named triple h who took a liking to me sauce and potential in me and came up with this. This gimmick that would be like a click and would be four of us. That would be me triple h RIC flair and revolution. Your never Lucien evolution. And that's how evolution was born. And I was the enforcer of the group, and it was not until even a couple years after that or maybe you're. So after that one night we had, they'd really wanted to build Randy as kind of the future of of that company. And one night we had teased teased, a fight between myself and triple h who is kind of the head of that faction. And the crowd just lost their mind. They lost their mind. They were so into it. And that's where something sparked. I think in Invensys head and said, I think we've got something. Here, and that is actually how it all started. I want you in Vince McMahon's head you place a very dangerous place, but a very good warning place to be very very, and I have, you know, it's weird like some people have had fallen out with Vinson. I have nothing but great things to say about this. I mean, he treated me very well and we disagreed about a lot, but he was always, he was never. He was never against me coming in to have an argument with him. I think Vince likes to argue, did you yell all the time like you'd go in there and go fits? I'm not fucking doing this now. I never. I didn't say that I, I wouldn't say that I was always if I had a point to make, I would make it, and I would be very strongly opinionated. And I think he appreciated that about me and a lot of times you know, it just, you know, it just was what it was. I spoke my mind at the end of the day. He has, you know, he he gets says yes or no. I'm getting paid more than six hundred. Fifty dollars a week. I can't do this. I can't afford anything. Jonathan want cigarettes, right. You know, I actually went to vents like. If my first one, I I started making money. It was the first time I bought my house in Florida is my first time buying a house. And for me, that was at come a long way from, you know, from a poor kid, and you know, in Washington DC to buy my first home in Florida and Vincent face lit up. And he said he said a homeowner, give me hug now, isn't that extraordinary? Let's great to be able to buy a house for me. Come on. True. I just, you know, owning a home was like a, you know, it's security, man. That's every poor kid wants to cure eighty Neil. It's not. It's not a money thing. I think a lot of people get that confused. I think I think poor kids want security man. A lot of people, you know, they take their money, they do wrong things with it. But I think then day security is the word that you know every kid dreams of having a roof over your head and Rufo place to be food in your mouth, you know? Yeah. So now you've done with wrestling, you say, I'm done with wrestling. The IRS comes in, they, they take everything. They took a lot. Took a lot. It allows you to rebound and you, you decided at this point you want to be an actor. No, I left. I left wrestling to pursue acting I, it was intentional. I I left left on good terms. I give them plenty notice. I didn't walk out a let my contract run out and I left with a mission to get into act. Let's take an chance, isn't it? It's it was taken a huge chance, but it was I left of real trying to make the superstore, but so I left because I felt like I, I was on top of the company I was on top of the company. Johnson was on top of the company were the two guys that were headlining every show. And at the time they were doing a lot of movies with John. You know, they were doing a lot of commercials with John seen. A lot of magazine covers everything with John. He was really the face of our company, which I got. He just he just fit the Bill. But I felt like if I wasn't going to have the opportunities within the company like acting in films that I should have the opportunity to go outside of the company and on dish in and try to get, you know, sure, acting. And, and they said, no, we need you here and headline, these shows your intellectual property. We, you know, this is where we need you what's pissed you off, which pissed me off. So that's what I did. I said, well, then if you're not going to give me, I, I should have the same opportunities as everybody else. If you're not going to give them to me within the company that I should be able to go outside of the company. If I can't do that, then I'm just gonna leave. And so I let my contract run out and I left. Did you inadvertently, do you think you like in retrospect sort of resented sina because he was getting like it's one of those kids like in high. It's like getting the popularity and you're like, fuck why she goes out with that guy. Nah, I didn't resent him because I am a big believer in opportunity. And I think if somebody is given opportunity and you don't take it, then then you're a full. So, yeah, the take, of course, of course. That's why we're all there for -tunities. That's why I surely, I think to think like that because that's how I feel it's taking me time if I'm sure when I was younger, I was like, why is that guy fucking, oh, I am. I not getting a and then you realize, hey, man, I'll make my own shit. I'll do my own money. Gave him the part right if he didn't take the opportunity then using Nydia. So anyway. So that was I just wanted affair petunia I wanted to same opportunities. Everybody else if I'm headlining shows, he's headline shows, but he's gotten all these opportunities on the same opportunities. If you're not going to me here that I will leave leave and they thought you were bluffing didn't? I really did. They really thought you're bluffing. Was there a time when they came? Vince said, hey, come out, you're not gonna really do this. And you said it was the day before I walked out two days before he called, you know, we talked in person. Is it not good? Well, here's, here's the thing he had at that point when I was leaving, he had a. I told him, you know, we talked about the films and he was going to give me a chance to do a film with them. And I was like, great what they had taken my idea, which I pitched them and turned it into this really awful idea. So I wasn't excited about it. They before I was leaving. He said. I don't feel comfortable giving you this film, not knowing that you're going to be here to promote it. And I said, you have my word, I will come and still, you know, I don't. I don't. I don't think so. I think we're going to give this film to triple h and I was like, okay, I understand. And I think he was expecting anger. You know an angry reaction from me and he goes, I just don't get you. And it's at that point is just it was just too late. I'd made up my mind. I always focused on other things I knew I wanted to go, and so it was just too late and then his. So he hit me with where else are you gonna make this kind of money. And I was like, I believe in yourself. That's it. I just and that was in nine knew I was going to hurt I, I love those checks coming every week. I mean, it was great. It was really again security. But you know, at that point it just I had my mind made up. So that's why did I star for three years, and it was actually after a guy, guardians that I felt like will now I kind proved my point. I did what I said I was going to do, and I want to go back and do some wrestling. That's incredible. And I'm sure there moments where you're like, what did I do? I should. Did you ever feel like callin Vince during those three years? Not right for right, and I just, I don't know. I just believe there was actually, it was a few friends that I never forgave who had that conversation with me without you don't need to go back to w w man, you're blowing it because they didn't believe that that dude right there. The only one who believed him Jonathan sitting across in my massage chair. That's not even plugged in. I apologize for not being plugged. It's giving you. You could plug it in by the way, doing massage. It's over here. He sure it'd make annoys though. Sounds like a vibrator. Yeah, would change the whole interview, but. So you've known him since eighteen? Yeah. Yeah. And he's been with you every step of the way every so. Yeah. So he's see. That's that's like to the point of like loan me like lots and lots of money to get me through to carry me through. That's like we said those three years where I was starving. That's how that's how I got through. He just helped me just filled in the blanks for me. Did all you need is one friend like that. So I'm saying I got a friend like that who's been with me. He's one of those guys who just like, you know, he's always been there and I saw that he was in trouble once and I've known him thirty three years. And I mean it took everything for him to accept money from me. And he was like, no, I don't want your mind. Listen, listen, and finally took it three months later. He paid me back with interest. That's the kind of guy. He was true friends. True. Love, true. Like ham with you, man. I want to do whatever it takes. I've been there. I will be there and that's it's rare, man. It's fucking rare even if people like, you know, even if he had been in the position. To help me out, give me through like financially mentally, still always. Just always believed in me if I said I wanna do this crazy thing was like, yeah, yeah, you can do it. You know, it's not even my mom. When I left wrestling said, you're crazy. What are you doing. Oh, yeah. No, she's yeah. It's hard to say they don't have my back. They don't believe me because I'm sure they do. But really when I told my parents, I wanted to be an actor. They're like, are you out of your fucking mind? Cause ninety nine point, nine percent of people don't work? Why are you doing this? They don't know. They didn't know that I was going to be successful. And so as much as they want me to be successful in God, I hope his dreams come true. I hope this deep down the same. Never gonna happen. People in my hometown like Rosenbaum net Rosenbaum's never going to do anything with his life. He'll we're gonna fucking grocery stores. I give it three years. Sonoko gas, that's Rosenbaum. He's not going to be a successful actor and it's hard to get that mentality. You still think like that there sometimes you think they're right, but we'll get you. What are you? It's this weird thing that you just don't lose, but. Okay. So this is such a great stories. Do you should do a movie about you and be weird? I think it'd be a great store or the Howard Stern. Well, you know, I can just imagine right now sits opens up with some dead guy on the picket fence and everybody's around there and mom's like, I can't believe you're not even affected by this like, well, we're not related to a mom. I on west. Dead person. We're going to go out and I can't believe we're moving from here and I could see the story. Let me write it. I'm gonna write the Batista. It's a story about your life. It's a great story. Actually, I did a book years ago and you're Julia job. He's like, hey, man, that's a pretty good opening. I was thinking about doing a follow up to that book just because it's, yeah, I did and around around two thousand six and it was really up about growing up my wrestling, but you know, done a lot since then. Good, good and bad. I mean, had good times bad times. So I was thinking about Dona follow book book. I'm talking movie baby. Yeah, I don't know. I, no, we should talk about it. People are gonna be talking about it. Now this after this podcast, so guardians of the galaxy, how do you get the balls to go in and audition for this? Because. The by the way that laugh is so that laugh to me, made guardians of the galaxy to I call James Gunn the director of friend and said, but Teesta steals the fucking movie period. They're all great teased. This is I know, isn't you know? He's like, I, when you laugh, it's I'm telling you, I just, I just started. You just make me laugh hard. You're so funny. And I'm like, this is a guy who never wanted an act who hid behind sunglasses and a hat on stage who didn't wanna talk who didn't want who doesn't love publicity, who just wants to be himself monotone opposite of me and yet house. He, I don't know anybody who could play that part. You know, how did you addition for that? Well. It's a little bit of a story. But anyway, I gotten an agent like a week or two before the audition, and this is a guy. His name's Brett orangeburg actually turned me down three times before, but anyway, we can run into them. We ran into him like everywhere we had had had so many conversations with Jonathan myself. He said, know I'd really liked Dave. I relate to help them. So a couple of weeks after that he found out about this dish in for dragon. This is how he built up my hopes destroy heels. Now, I don't want you to get your hopes up. You know, it's a real long shot. Love is London names, Disney Masha day. You're not gonna get. He said, but I had to fight really hard to get you this odd dishing. So anyways, built meal for that. And I went in and met with Sarah fron fan and she was amazing. And she was just because I was so nervous that was Sarah before he saw James? Yes, I was an I flew out to LA for this edition and I was absolutely terrified. And Sarah was like. Take time, just relax. You just take your time. We're gonna do it a few times. It will do it, however you want, and she was made me feel so comfortable that anyway, just banged out this audition, how many lines did you have the mission? It was a couple of scenes a couple of senior member of the scene. It was one where I was. Chalking about my my wife and daughter being killed. It was an emotional beat, and there was another one where I didn't get a. Getting originally, the orb wasn't the orbit with something else that they're, I think this because aside, you know, they're not the real right? So they described it as something else, but it was like, I didn't really get what it was. I was taking it literally and she asked me what it was, and I kind of explained to her back in a very bad way. What something was. I was just one of those, you know where drag drag things, it takes everything. Literally, those those, that type of thing and had a James react when you went in the room. So she calls me later after the audition and she says, would you mind staying in town to come back to read for the director? And I was noth- course I'll stay. And that's when it was like when it became real. In there and I didn't sleep that night before. Terrified. Like he's still on book that you still read this? No, I had had a member I had over a million times I did, and it's because my acting coach came with me and and really kind of coach me through and encouraged me through it. And we, we worked really hard, so he would make sure that I actually went in for even the first addition comple- off book just prepared. So he stayed with me. He babysat me through the whole process. Everybody wasn't in the room James. No, he was. She go. Yeah. Let me go and went in and James, you know, James, so right, right. Right off the bat, it just clicked with them and you just made me feel super comfortable. How many times you do it? We did it a few times and then we auditioned there if you times, and then I actually came back if you times after that to you came in a couple of times four times. Yeah, chemistry tests and addition. And did you know you got it on the last time when you walked out? No, we thought we just to the last minute because. Wouldn't exclude like took three months just as much of waiting because they wouldn't exclude me from the part, but they wouldn't give me the tell you what they were thinking. They were thinking, he's, he's the party's. These you get a great read. He's this as a wrestler, and I are. We gonna have the so many things. I'm sure that there is he to this. We need a bigger star. We need this. We want an actor is gonna. Hold us up on set all these things that they're fucking talking about. James obviously is going now, this is the fucking guy. Yeah, James was. He was very supportive of me and I think he was vocal about it, but I think originally they were really against have any Peress ler play this part. And I know that for a fact because one of the producers actually talked to me about it, let's thing you quit pro wrestling at the time. Yeah, and he just, you know, and he actually apologize. You said you're the right guy who just we had, you know certain, I guess certain stereotype in her head, you know, at first and and and he just so you apologize. I'm sorry. We ever made that even. An issue. Remember the time you got to remember the call who called you? Yeah, I called well my agent Jonathan called me and I was driving down the street. I was on my way to the gym surprise surprise and I broke down men. I my broke down drove home and was just in tier, walked in the doors in tears and tears. Hysterical in tears in to my wife and said, I got the part, yeah. And then you both crying crying about crime. All it changed your life. See now you're gonna get me upset. You fuck it literally. And when I when I tell people that it's really hard for them to grasp, but it didn't. It didn't change my career change the trajectory of my life. That's amazing. And I love, here's and it can happen to a better guy. I mean, you're really some guy who has evolved, but always kept a who you are, that's never gone away. No, I don't ever go away. I think I was just, you know, I had developed a, you know, my character. Well, before I got in this business. Or entertainment period. So I just I was developed as a as a person, and now you got all these movies, you're offered movies all the time, but then a lot of movies. Yeah. Yeah. And you know what, you know it is. I'm still. And I, I use the term a lot. I say, I'm not really. I care less about being a movie star. Just wanna be a good actor. Like I really wanna be good actor. Do you take classes still? No, you know, it's weird. I talked to my culture. A lot of we stay in touch and his name's Joel C'mon and he's, he's a very close friend. I love him the Dadi. I need to call him my career here, but we we have discussions, I don't. I don't really go and work with him anymore only because I'm working so much. So I feel like I'm always say that I'm an on the job learning actor and I feel like I come off every project a stronger actor and I take away something from every director and every actor who work with you, get nervous, terrified still still, you get still get nervous every day. You're gonna take ten guy. That's when I get. I can shown any let go. Yeah. Yeah, you don't sleep before you shoot. You nervous. You thinking about it? It depends. Sometimes I get. Worked up about certain things like what like gotta be good. I got you still feel like you have to prove yourself. Sometimes I, you know, I, I know I put a lot of stock in a certain scenes and I just want them. I think it's just the pressure that I just want them to be as gazette can be. And you know how, sometimes you know, you're just, I did this just a couple of weeks ago. I had this really, really emotional scene. I was in such a great mood. I was like, how in such a good day, I was like, I didn't know if I can get there, you know. And it just, you know, you should have had that guy come up with the wet side smack you. That would have done it right. Smack Jonathan with the side. Remember this looker, but you know, just, you know, things like that. So I get worked up and you know, working on a movie. It's like an I know James. He likes to do a lot of takes. So when you're first working with him, like it might not getting this right, it might not doing this right wise is keep doing that. They're gonna fire me. Did you ever think stuff like not with James because he's very, I mean, he's he's very communicative fairly talks to you. And he's, I mean, it's not. It's not a rare thing for him to come out and say, killing killing, no, he gets all work out and he's all. Just gets really, yes. So I know where mount within minority stone, and I love that about him because even with stuff's funny because you can hear them laughing. Yeah, he loves the lot of the microphone. And he's also, yeah, you know how I love the way. He's just spits out, you know, all just start spinning them out and you just keep in keep it rolling. Say this. Yeah. So I always get immediate feedback from James, which helps me a lot. Yeah. Who is your favorite to? I mean, it's hard to answer that. 'cause you work with all these guys, but who is your who your close closest to. Actor? Yeah. Well, I think guardians, for sure. I think I've, I mean out of the who had of the cast, I didn't say, oh, out of the cast. Why guess. I guess what I'm on set, I would say Pratt, but I don't. I mean, we don't. It's weird because we don't really like talk to each other a lot. We're not not filming for on. We don't. We only text each other every once in a while, but I think I bonded with him somewhat nuno's weird thing because when we first got to London to film the first guardians and he was he was he was big star at that point, but not like he is now. No, he's like one of the biggest stars in the world. Nicest guy, sweet counter. We'd do what's up. Really cool. That's right. But at that point he didn't, you know, he had gone to London. He was by himself and I was by myself. So I think we bonded a little bit, but also I think I interact with with palm really well, you know, in case scenes with her and Karen on a carriage, yellow, my buddy. I just she loves you. I love her. How long were you in you answer this? This is a question John, and here comes the question. How long have you been Allen? Are you gonna make up during the show I move you were in a lot longer. They may. Yeah, that was like four to six hours on the. I mean, how do you do that? We are going crazy, so no, not at all. You know, it's weird. I quit on this by the time we did the second film. I think I would have gone crazy. I don't think I could have done it again. They get it down to to an hour and a half. You went from six hours hour and a half. It's an, it's a completely different process. And the reason is they knew how to do this process on the first film, but they couldn't figure out how to get it off because they would have to take it on and off every day. And it would just. Eat away at my. I heard that they're going to sauna with you. I do. That's how they figured out that they could. That's the way they figured out to take it off like going on and they start to melt it off before they actually start planning. How many men is it? Man? Yeah. So it's how many men go into a sauna with you at night three. Three men are they? Are they close to nude way more new than I care for them to be. What are you talking about for an hour or they take your suit off and are you naked under there except for underwear? Right. I wear swimtrunks in swimming trunks. Yeah. And they peel you off, you know, like, how is your guys day? Just right. That's the thing we're so bonded at this point. He's love each other. You don't care? Nothing. We couldn't talk about this one. I bet there's some rules though. You can't far none of these guys can fart in a that's disrespecting, you know, it's weird. It's an, I guess it's an unsaid rule because we all just have a lot of respect for each other. But I'm sure as far it's that were saved in that suit that are trapped in there. There's that one. We rip it off his. What was that? All that was six hours ago. Yeah. I just had a scene. Shove sure. You know one of those things, even if one of those guys had rip one, I, I wouldn't give them hell about it. You know it just it were so bonded meant as matter. Man, this is fun last, you know. Dow on his care in the in the trailer gallon Gillan who plays in for much longer than I am. And she's had like on the last couple adventures and gardens to has headed the worst. I have. I have so much respect for her because as no matter, you know how much sleep she gets no matter how hard it is. She's always the same person. She super bubbly issues. Nice to everyone. She never ever once seen her in a bad mood. Have you seen people as there should onset? Oh, yeah. You won't say who I won't say who because just because I don't even care enough about them to put their name out there. Right. But I've even had a couple outbursts. You know, there's been a couple of times bothers you onset when I get hungry. I don't like being on. I don't either. I make it very known that that's I don't require much, but just keep me fed. What happens if you say I'm hungry and an hour goes by. Yeah, no, I won't. I won't let that happen. And there was a point in my career. Why would have let it happen? But now I won't let it happen because it gets the point where I go. And I, I wait. And if you don't say anything, you know if you don't say anything, somebody. I have to because this is changing now. I'm just get nam nam and a bad moon Nicholson's daily teen the shining. I'm about the fucking door with the axe. Right? They Harling you don't get me a goddamn sad, right? You're really good at this man buddy Hackett. Regular buddy Hackett. Yeah, I was a loser in highschool used to sit up on the weekends and memorize people's voices and Russia. I don't have any of those talents. You don't know. One impression I don't wanna do. I don't do. I can't do impressions. I not musical, can't seem everybody can do a that. I wanna do Mr. for walking here. Try this. Your your, your son, your son, that you're already almost better than all the other. Your son. You'll know the Signor I love through a son. Fuck had that. He is at bitch, your girlfriend, Ana cottage now, I know you know where they are. So tell me, I, I would sit in my room for hours into it. If you listen, if you were a Louis removed. The best. I love Tony, Scott films, the best feelings wasn't. Oh, yeah. I'm so heartbroken that I never got a chance to work with that guy. Yeah, brilliant. But you're gonna work with a lot of great directors already have, right? Yeah. All right. We got some questions here. Last questions here, Sean ward. You should ask him if he's made any headway on trying to get the gears of war movie made with Marcus fenix. No. Do you want congress universals fall? We've been knocking on their door for years about this project, and it just has gone. Nowhere. Less conversation with was with a producer named Dylan Clark. You know, I think I think is still got a gears and we still regular calls and see where it's out with the script is of, but it's just I think this just they've had issues with, you know, getting the script which is, you know, maybe a good thing because they wanted to be right. They're putting some stock into it. And if it's just not right there just, you know. So it could happen. It could happen. I think it will happen. I don't know if I were be part of it, but I will beg plead and scratch and claw and try to make my hero Mazza CARA limb s underscore s if you weren't an actor, what would you be up to right now who? That's tough one here in this. I mean, if I wasn't, I probably still be wrestling if you didn't have any desire to act, he'd wrestle. I think so. Yeah. I mean, I loved her professional wrestling. I, I miss it all the time. Ian geek for higher at may Clem seventy-two at role from movies. You enjoy it in your youth, would you love to have played? Got him youth Scotty, a Star Wars role for sure. Of developing Star Wars. Yeah, I was thinking like in eighties like that time during my youth. But yeah, no, I mean, godson was still. I mean, another series of films that I've begged and pleaded to be a part of me to be a fucking extra. I'll be a stormtrooper that no one sees just let me do anything. Yeah. Anything? No, no, no. Look, I think that's pretty much it. Let's say. Will we get a rock and day Batista movie, Ghandi boy end. Do you want to win an Oscar some day or be nominated? Would you like to do something serious like that? You know, it's weird. I don't really put too much stock into awards because I don't need accolades. But what I want is that Academy Award worthy role, which is not easy for me to get because I look like Carrillo. Those roles just aren't there for me, and I would like that role. I wanna. I wanna test myself. What did you do a TV show? Yeah, I've been trying to get on TV for years. I brought you something. I'm just saying hypothetically. Yeah, it was like a drama. I've been pursuing TV for years to do something like that. Yeah, something cool net flicks HBO something. Whatever seem pretty open to them at how gone had all those meetings. We've been in pursuit. You'd be great. I and I love the idea. I because I like working, I like working. I like. So we and I miss TV to be honest with you, a TV star instantly. Don't you think rub instantly Jonah them. You get a TV show that you're going to be. I mean, I could see that easily. They just have to find the right thing done in pursuit, and we've had some good talks with Netflix, just, no, we actually had this project. We brought to them when we thought they might love. But. We went crazy about it as a series. So we've we've gone more more towards a feature within what we'll probably get it made. I think with the national years called it was originally called bodybags. Now it's called dog town, but I think we'll get it made. It's a really great story. It's a fun story, dark comedic, drama action. What's next? So after I finished the film Amman now which is stupor who's in that me and and Johnny and there's a, there's a lot of great. You know, Betty gilpin in Mira Sorvino and this has been awesome man. Thanks for this. I mean to me, this is one of my favorites. I've always loved you. Your guys. Look, thanks for opening up. Thanks for allowing me to be inside of you, Dave. Thanks for being incited and when you becoming a big movie star, but when you become a big TV star, will you come back? Come. You gotta come out with a move in want my own room here. You'd like this house. Love this, how you could stay here. Anyone you have to see my house and see how much I actually into this, like this is in Tampa. Yeah, my house like you have my dream house. There's two houses by my house. You don't ever sell this place, but there's two houses I've ever been into that. I was just an utter of and one is yours. And the other one is a buddy of mine name Siham punk in his house. He's got this building in Chicago that he bought, and it's just yet on adulterating that rich and he's got all this stuff to wrestle memorabilia and superhero memorabilia actually wrote a marvel comic for a while. He did needed the Drax. I'll really and he's but he's a buddy of mine from wrestling just by coincidence. He ended up getting this so he wrote tracks. That's why I'm not even kidding. I'm not here a lot, but I have guest rooms. You haven't won the money in a hotel trash here. I'll give you a key. Yeah. You like your pricey. Don't you know? I I don't feel like I wouldn't have my privacy here. All four, Jonathan. You get your own bedroom. Would you ever go back to wrestling? Yeah, I tried to go back last year and it's just because. Well, with the last I never felt like I wrapped up my career in the last run I had was really just bad butted heads with the company. A lot of over creative issues. You know, it's just not good, and I had to leave right when I finally started to hit my stride. I had to leave to go promote guardians, and I just felt like I never really like. Like to leave the right way, just feel they're, you know, there's an uneasiness about the way I left and I just. He into my kirks. I had a great career. Great career in the WW's. Right? You know, change my life and and they took me around the world and just open all kinds of doors for me. And I just really liked to wrap up things right way there. But you know, sometimes in the this always becomes therapy. And I always imagine like if I was your therapist for this last hour, what I what I have gathered from the, you know, and what you have gathered from me if you were my therapist, would you say? So I'm thinking I looked at you and I might this guy has been through it all your poverty stricken as a kid. Your parents got divorced. You were on streets refighting you're bouncing, you found wrestling. Then you found out you just kept pushing yourself and kept moving, even though you face a lot of adversity. But it's like you seem to just have your shit together like, you know what you want, you know what you want to do and you know who you are most importantly, so if I was your therapist, I'd say really don't. Anything you should be in the therapy session? That's kind of what I'm saying. I think I think that's, you know, I think goes somewhere later in my life. I, I, I'm still learning things about myself, but I think somewhere later in my life I became comfortable with myself. You know, I accept my awkwardness. How how? What what? What year was that? Oh, yeah. How old are you know it wasn't. I wasn't that long ago. I'm forty. Nine. Forty nine. Yeah, he's them forty. Six. Some hoping I thought the shit out this. You're my therapist now. Talk to me about that. None. I think it's a, I think it might have been within the last four or five years where it just became okay with being kind of weird. You know, awkward words different in different and not trying to be somebody. I'm not. Do you think you stress less now? You just kind of go with the flow? I don't know if I stress less, you know, I think I thrive off my stress my stresses as a good thing. You know, it's not a bad thing. I don't. I don't look. Get as a negative thing. I think it's, it's a me wanting to achieve more to be more to do more, make something on my life, make it mean something purpose. I to have a purpose I wear Jonathan. I would just having this conversation. I just I don't understand who people who who can wake up and just float through the day without a purpose without wanting to contribute something to life. You know, just that's. That's it. I just I want my life to have meant something that was as bad as profound as you can get. That's we're going to end their thanks. Thanks. Awesome. Thank you.

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# 402 - Tyler Florence & ME

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# 402 - Tyler Florence & ME

"Pig is brand new. Podcast come nonstop. We're just GONNA put out as much as we can until you guys go all right buddy. Pump your brakes. I got a new Bill Bert. This week I had a new two bears one cave this week. I got Gabby released yesterday. Tyler Florence's today you already know that you've already clicked that an intro. In the second I got a new hot ones. That just came out. It's on Youtube under I. Feast with Sean Evans. We did a quarantine edition where they sent me the sauces. They sent me the wings. I then loaded up my own winds which was a huge mistake and And it's airing right now. Halston just posted. He liked it so I hope you guys enjoy it. I'm trying to put as much content for free as possible. Obviously my special. Hey big boy is streaming right now on net flicks go check it out. Enjoy it when this gets done. We will be touring in new our when this gets done. Jesus Oh tomorrow night I have a live zoom with five hundred participants that we're doing happy hour for five o'clock Pacific coast time eight o'clock eastern standard time. This will be the first time I drank in thirty nine days I drink. I didn't drink when I got here off of the tour bus. That's Sunday for a whole week. And then some and then I drank with Rogan when I did his podcast and then I haven't drank since so in forty days. I've had to Oslo traces subtract. Their sponsor reads there's just a good free content Podcast for you And that's it. Yeah I we. Feast Checkout The released next week big PODCASTS. We've got Guy Fieri Someone else I forget who else we have anyway. This week's podcast is watching a lot of food network. A lot of food network and I've been watching the Great the great food truck race. I don't know if you've seen the great food truck race but I got obsessed with Tyler. Florence I know tyler from Tyler's ultimate food nine one one. He's a scripts guide. See Him at script cements when I work to travel channel and I am alive I love I gotTa tell you man. I don't work at travel channel and I know -scripts kind of broken up. I think they're all owned by discovery. Now but Goddamn and I love the content. They're producing on DIY and on food and cooking not a big HDTV fan. Although I watched the Property brothers a much in their new shows celebrity IOU or the girls man. You really very quickly see that. Brad Pitt is worth every cent. They pay him. Brad Pitt Melissa McCarthy celebrity. Iu is actually at the property. Brothers on here Jonathan drew. I know those guys. I know a lot of a lot of these guys from doing up fronts and doing Events when I worked to travel channel but I never really got to speak to them much And so it's really nice that they've all seen the special that they all wanted to come on the podcast and they were cool enough to talk to me for an hour. Tyler had exactly one hour so We got him in and out but We got guy coming up. And then I'd take any woman those barnyard builders I take the main cabin built anyone. That's been living off the grid. I'm obsessed with that content right now also obsessed with the operation of Desa. I don't know if you've seen that on Netflix. Operation Desa is out of this world and I've been talking about that Guy Tarzan for years. I've been talking about that guy. Tarzan for probably thirty years. Because I knew about that. Because that's all coming from Florida. I think I don't know I'm not gonNA speculate. Maybe I'll maybe I'll get Tarzan on here. I would love that. Should reach out. Yeah we're like Tarzan so good. Call WanNA reach out and see if I can guitars in. Hang on one second. I'm GonNa do it right now. Oh hang on one second. It's my manager. Hey Reg. Have you seen operation? Odessa on Netflix. Okay can you please see if we can get Tarzan on the podcast? I'll let me let me hang on one second. I'm doing for Tyler. Florence sees this week's episode on the broadcast and then I'll hop on the phone with the. Okay give me one SEC. Just give me one second okay. I'm young right cool anyway. I'm a big fan of target Florence. I'm big fan of all the food network is. I've been fan of the Food Network for as long as I've been with the end that's when I started watching food network. Just give you a little story I lost a ton of weight when I met Lien was one hundred eighty six pounds. And what my rhythm would be as. I have dinner early. I Start Drinking Beers and then I call it a night. Take a beard on a bed with me and start watching food network and I got so interested in food network. I learned how to cook through food network. I think we talked about that. A little here. Talk about my. My shift was learning to love Emerald. I didn't get emeralds Angle at first I didn't it and then one night I did once I got emerald I got everyone and I fell in love with everyone on that network and that was part of the reasons one of the many reasons I worked to travel channel. Obviously you know I wasn't like I wasn't like through the roof about a roller coaster show initially 'cause I just took the meetings. I wanted to meet the company that did man versus food. I'm a big food show guy and so when I found out that they're all related food network. Hdtv DIY cooking channel travel channel. Great American country. I was Kinda through the roof and I remember going to the first event meaning and Burrell and being like Oh my God. It's an umbrella and she was awesome every bit of Amber Al. You wanted her to be meeting. Rachel Ray Meeting Giada meeting bobby needing guy. We talk about that. But meaning tyler as well is. I'd see these guys and I would lose my shit and I can never contain myself to be cool around them and so I never became friends with them. Never really met them just other than a hello and man. It's such a pleasure. I I think I tell the story here. Halston I do tell the story of being at that upfront in New York right I tell it I know I tell it. Tell it To I probably tell it twice very pivotal moment in my career and I would just simply say that it means more to me than you'll ever know that guy's listening to this podcast that you care that you buy tickets come see me but the fact that I that you guys kind of shepherded me back on the right path when I got when I felt that waterfall and you guys were came in. We don't like your travel channel. So we just like your podcasts. In your stand up just do specials in just do podcasts. To be to know that I'm on the right path right now and then I'm doing the right thing and then I'm going in the right direction as opposed to the story. Oh here where I kinda law awesome. I didn't know what I was doing and I realized I was sitting in the wrong seat to great feeling. It's a really really great feeling so like I said we're doubling down on podcast for doubling down on content and would stand up starts motherfuckers. I'm saying goodbye to my family in California and I'm living on the fucking road living on the fucking road. I am when I get out on the road. You have no idea. I will be producing a blog every single day. I will be doing everything I can on the road. I will be going in doing radio I will be doing every I will be doing tough. Mutters Spartan races. I can't wait till they lift this fuck in quarantine but until that time. I'll be just doubling down on podcast like this one ladies and gentlemen you know him from food nine. One one. You know from Tyler's Tyler's ultimate is new truck. The Great Food Truck Race has new show. The great food truck race is right. Now Airing on food network. He is a chef up. We talk about that in the podcast about his falling in love with food before it was like a cool to fall in love with food. When you WANNA be a chef? He is a restaurant tour he has. I think nine cookbooks. He's an all around awesome. Dude we have a great interview. I hope you enjoy it. I hope you stay safe. Ladies and gentlemen it is my great pleasure to introduce you Tyler Florence. Hey congrats on the new show Just watched binge watched the other day the I have so many fucking notes adults. Hey big boy how are you so I WanNa Talk? I WANNA I wanNA talk about Really WanNa Talk. 'cause I feel like you're one of the ODE. Jeez when it comes to the Food Network. Yeah for sure for sure you you were a person. This is gonNA sound disrespectful and by the way if it sounds disrespectful to you listening because you think it's disrespectful to you I'm not talking about you. Talking to the person listening you were someone who decided to be a chef and then found television as opposed to the other way around correct you know no disrespect taken because that was absolutely the path forward Forty nine years old this year and I started cooking way before the food network was ever a thing. And that's an no disrespect to those people who found I. I know lots of Guys I love Eddie Eddie Wong. Anyway is a guy who restaurant wanted to be a comic restaurant tour kind of wrote a book and and got into TV. I don't think you really ever loved TV. I think it was like something that was forced on him. But your old school in like your passion is food. I it always has been. I mean everything else has fallen into my lap over my career so incredibly grateful for I had a long conference call with food network today talking. About what the Hell we're doing in the middle of pandemic But I've been on television with Food Network for twenty four years. Now that is he or is years bro. So who did you? Who who is your starting. Who's your starting class? Starting class. It was it was made Bobby Flay Emerald Agasi Sara Moulton Ming side and man. I used to watch do see okay. So twenty years ago by maybe maybe twenty years ago I I. I went on this weight loss journey. Like I'M GONNA lose weight. I was maybe probably lighter than I am now and every night. It's when I discovered the food network every night I would watch whatever was on like I would watch and by the way. I was like a snob comic. I'd watch and Malagasy and I was like I didn't get it like I was like. He's he's a brand like I didn't see it and then all of a sudden one day just a Bam I just was like it made me giggle and I went okay and I slowed down and I fell in love with all you guys. I mean all you guys were my like. It was my introduction technically to food network but more importantly to this company scripts who I guess. Was you know running that from day? One Yeah Yeah and we were in the same family for a while when you are on travel man so you know that whole big group like tables really big. There's something for everybody when you hop on the food network you're gonNA find somebody on there. You're going to gravitate towards all different kinds of cooking styles all kinds of different personalities and so there's indication stop there's competition south. There's always been something for everybody and it's and it's just got better over the years and that's what I love about it right and and so you know you jumping in that from a a enthusiastic standpoint especially with like your Youtube series right like when you're in the kitchen cooking brow like you're doing that and and what I'm watching I'm watching you do the food network thing but you watch it so many times. You feel so comfortable doing that because like you're so incredibly passionate about food right and why not man. Why not give the kitchen and like like how the time? Yuck it up. Burn some Shit. Make Jokes House from friends over. Because that's what we do anyway like Not Everything turns out great and we always always like to say if it comes out a little rare you call a Carpaccio and you keep fucking going. You know what I mean and and so. That's what's so fun about watching you in the kitchen cooking and because the enthusiasm has to be there I can tell I can tell a lot of ways but I tell you really love to cook right. I love you guys interested. You guys really taught me how to cook. Because I would watch you guys and I would learn little tiny things in the night. Try try at night or the next night to try things and like I said I always had this crazy respect forming because he was so mild mannered he by the way I don't mean disrespect mindset as he definitely did not belong on. Tv. He was just a guy who loved cooking passionate about his culture very passionate about sharing it. And that's why he was good on. Tv is because he was passionate. Every single wannabe showed up to that network fucking passionate about it wasn't about by the way these people that when I say these things they'll know who I'm talking about. It wasn't about finding a cool pair of glasses to make sure people knew you were passionate. Because you're the guy with the glasses. It was in love with food. It just about cookie man and this is the difference. I think in a lot of ways because there's so many different shows on right now right between your top chef and chopped and and so the idea of being a celebrity chef like the bar has dropped a little bit and honestly. There's not one of my colleagues on a professional level or chefs that I bump into who haven't been on national television for at least five minutes right so everybody kind of walked away from that situation going. Where's my cappuccino whereas my agent whereas a book deal? But I'm telling you if you can walk up to a counter of me's and pasta dishes and not have a recipe in front of you and not even know where the hell you're GonNa go and build to riff on all those ingredients and bill to make a spectacular meal all the top of your head like that's the that's the repertoire of by what. I call the salad bar ingredients right. I can walk up to a counter. Stop Ice Cold. Not even know what the hell the recipe is. Just a bunch of ingredients. Riffa makes something spectacular like we play in the whole thing the whole time long and that's just practice and experience and that's travel that's cooking that's tasting Ataba that that That introspective of where the thing came from in the first place to be able to tell great stories. And I gotTa tell you. That's why I love. You is a common man because like no way tells stories better than you both like. Nobody man I I just watch Hagan after the third time like last night so I I'm I'm serious by like you. It's ugly you tell jokes you just you're not gonNA fucking believe what happened to me man and like his life is so interesting in the first place right and so so when you're when you're really good at it you don't even really think about right like we do a lot of preparation for a lot of production. We lie to write a Lotta recipes. Every sixteen cookbooks were put producing another one this year. Some somehow some way sometime I don't know But you always gotta get better at. You always kinda sharpen yourselves right and and for people that just step into that in a way and go okay. I used to be a country music singer and now I'm on television cooking like as as interesting as it seems for a season or two. They'RE GONNA run out of gas eventually just because they don't really have the tear war of all ingredients right you're gonNA make Mama's biscuits and they're gonNA make this like down home country whatever it is and it's all great so I'll fun but like you can have a hard time getting past season. Preseason for right right and and that's that's the thing about so I'm I'm lucky to have been with food network as long as a HAP- love them to death and love how everything is starting to grow. As a matter of fact they're launching a A limited series of Amy Schumer coming up in the next couple of weeks which is gonNA be really fun. You should call him to Bro. Should call him. I think you might be kind of interesting on the food network too because you've got some chances man but but it's been a wild ride and And I loved every bit of it a level of going. Love what we've been talking to. Let's talk about let's talk about. I want to talk about like I WANNA start from. I would love to kind of track. We have got like an hour. I got you for fifty three more minutes yet. But curious about grown up in South Carolina about going about kind of like just being like like what kind of kid you earn high school and college like how you discovered food. I WanNa talk about traveling food because I I did travel for a and then I wanNA talk. I'm really curious about what it was like to be one of those first people to pave the path of celebrity chef of pave the path of so these are the these are the trappings. You will do what the people now that are. Learning about like finding food is a passion. I don't think that just because you wanna mess up as a young chef you want to get on TV. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But like Oh definitely on you. Guys were a class of a legit a classic a freshman class of chefs that paved away of like. Hey man you got I remember. I remember having conversations with all of your different times about you've got to got to open up. Open restaurant started to a cookbook. You gotta you know. I'm kind of curious because you also have taken the path of like your own show and then hosts the show and then it's really really fascinating. But how so you grew up in South Carolina. I grew up in a small town called. Greenville which is like the northwestern part and state. And now it's actually the tech capital of the state like BMW North. America's there there's lots of like heavy global industry that comes out of Greenville. Very interesting place And right now Some really dynamic southern restaurants are coming out of Greenville and I went to Went to college in Charleston. I went to Culinary Kinda High School Kid. Where you you like You're you're gorgeous dude. Like captain of the football. I mean your your your television attractive. What well thank you night. Not Bad looking yourself. Probably like his like I I was kind of a different kid. And you know I I loved like you know like British grunge rock and everywhere between like the clash and you know a new order and stuff like that like ice skate rat. I had like crazy long hair looking flock of seagulls back in the mid eighties. Men and like war torn clothes and like I. I was popular but I was kind of popular in like the the the outcast set you know. We were keen of the outs. Are they the the misfits right? And that's I did. Oh Yeah Yeah. Preserving clove cigarettes. Yeah Cigarettes Shit. Has Very Edgy. Listened to chair? Write poetry to this day. If you play love cats I'm standing up and I'm going to dance the dance route. I'm just the best so I I went to Started working in restaurants when I was fifteen years old man just because you know I just wanted to hang out with adults and do adult things man so I am started washing dishes in like the nicest restaurant my hometown of Greenville South Carolina dogs hop on the catcher behind. Me Man. That's Leroy what's ugly. Roy Is GonNa he's GonNa cut down with you. What's up buddy? Beautiful dog thanks man. German shorthair pointer. I'm a big dog. I just watched the I was I was about say German shorthair Boehner and then I thought all of the all of my rescue fans are going to be like. Oh so how? How into reads argue Bert where we have to bull mastiffs so we had to rescue dogs and he's a he's four years old it was. It was a dream breed. I had I had a dog that pass away. That's when it gets something special. He's a he's a great boy that's his name is bad badly Brown. What a good looking dog is he. Houses temperament is like calm and relax star Mel Out. Now man he was. He was a rough up dude. Upi is a nightmare Karen House apart. It was Crazy Colette. I started. I started washing dishes. And and the nicest restaurant my hometown of Greenville South Carolina and You know from washing dishes to like being a prep cook to helping out. And the butcher station learn how to make sauces and then and the kind of cooking on the line and I just knew right there at the age of fifteen. That's exactly what I wanted to do for the rest of my life and I knew who I was at a really early age in and I think that kind of self awareness is important to to start your career as early as you possibly can. Now I think the idea of people going to college an figuring out what to do with their life when they get out of college. You've wasted about six seven years man that you could be doing something really important without going to college so you could study political science or Liberal Arts Education. I think sometimes getting a good technical background I went to technical school the Culinary School. I wanted trey right so I learned how to Cook and learn how to cook into life. But we're going to make it or not the reason why in culinary school by the way you did this in nineteen eighty nine. I'm guessing nineteen ninety nine hundred ninety nine and then while I started school in Ninety nine thousand nine hundred and then stuck around for two more years. I got a business degree. This is way before way before this is what I think is cool. This is like this is before being a chef was cool. You just did it kick way is what. That's what's so cool about it. It is remember when we all found that does that built choppers and we were like. Wow can you imagine and then also build jobbers? You're like I don't WanNa see you. Bill toppers I want the guys that chose to do it when we thought they were losers. Yeah right it just in their blood man you know. Yeah and so. I started cooking when food came from a hole in the wall. Nobody ever knew you know what the chefs name or really cared. Honestly exited matters about the maitre d' and you're getting the right table and whoever whoever's in the kitchen was just like named Francois somebody and nobody really really cared until until about nineteen ninety and so when I was paying attention to it all these shafts were starting to pop up regionally around America's woking fuck in La and his Imola New Orleans and Jasper white in and it was Dean Farren in Dallas. And it was Charlie Trotter Chicago. And all these chefs are popping up regionally and they started producing what is now defined as regional American cooking. Because it's so different. It's so vast and it's so interesting because everybody you know if you look in your own backyard is like pockets of inspiration that you can't get anywhere else in the world like Food New England way different the food taxes in Texas way different. La even in L. A. and San Francisco. I live right I mean so. It's two completely different food styles. But but it's all sort of like rich and interesting at the same time so so I did that and then went to culinary school. I got a bachelor's degree in hotel restaurant management because I think it's important to build Saute scallop but into know how to make a business out of it crash restaurant that Johnson Wales University gave him an honorary doctorate. Two thousand five. So that's fucking Dr Tyler. You and then. After that and moved to New York City I moved to New York City with two thousand dollars in my pocket. That was it. I had a my first month's rent my last month's rent in about a week's worth of cash and I didn't have a job but I knew that you know if if you took yourself seriously as a chef in America then you kind of went. The two places right either went to New York. Are you went to parents? And I had the money to go to new right and I started working with Charlie Palmer or yell which was like the biggest restaurant in the world. Time biggest culinary name America hands down early Polar Charlie Palmer. Yep exactly the same guy that I'm assuming that owns Char- Charlie Palmer's in DC Yup Charlie stakeouts exactly the same guy. John Guy so I I work with him back when he had one restaurant right and used to work the line every night and so he was my mentor growing up so work with a bunch of other chefs but he was. He was a big alice. My first big city bad ass cooking experience and everything else that I grew up with growing up in the south where all the food is just brown and good you know. It's like chicken fried steak and Fried Chicken and Collard. Greens cooked with a Ham Hawkin and ambrosia coconut cake and Coca Cola bottle and you know and like pork rinds. And Black. That's the food. That's the delicious American Folk Niagara. With but then you can take that sensibility and you go to New York City and then then everything refined. It tastes great. But then it's refined to a level which is pure art. And so I worked with Charlie for a couple of years and I worked at River Cafe and and Brooklyn for a while and then and then I I took this big leap because I I was married and is expecting my first child at the age of twenty five and I had to start making some real money so I I did this. Fake it till you make it move. Why applied for an executive chef position. Probably too early but fuck it. You know I just did it and I got the job and I was Twenty five years old. I was executive chef restaurant. Italian restaurant called Shibo on forty second avenue and Forty Second Street and is still there. But I'm really proud of round the customer Tutor City in New York City and And we we were blowing up and we were getting really great accolades and all the newspapers and then one night One of the executive food network happened to be in the dining room and I was walking around like a stud with my Chris Chefs on walk at the table. Shaken hands and Tyler. Florence was dinner tonight. You really enjoy that. And she had him Your Business Card and say you know where the programming directors with this new cooking Channel Food Network and I was trying to drool in front of her and And I took the GIG and you know I did WanNa parents and that was it. I WANNA parents on food network in one thousand nine hundred six. I'm not sure what it was called in food today and it was like this live new show. They would do every night at six o'clock with with a Donna Hanover. Which was Giuliani's ex? Wife and David Rosen Garden. I don't know if these old name. Sample David Rosen. Garden grows and garden. Yes Donna Davis Osa. Show called in food today and And I and the end of the show because I would just do like the World Food News live and at the end of it. They would have this kind of guest chef appearance. I did one and I'm mumbled stuttered and sweated my way before and a half minutes was a fucking disaster but when the executive walk does that was great. Can you come back next week? And so between one thousand nine hundred sixty nine hundred ninety nine. I was logging in like an appearance a week. Obviously trying to build up my facetime on network and then in nineteen ninety nine I was like food network's best friend for for years and the nineteen ninety nine inside to make official the offer me a contract. I got my first job. Hosea Shoka food. Nine one one right where we travel around the country and help people out with their everyday food emergencies and this is a guy who grew up with like really great southern home cooking and working in restaurants in south and then had his level of refinement. Polish I work in restaurants in Europe and then I could take the whole thing and repackage. It would just pure technique hanging out with everyday folks kitchen and showing them how to fix to noodle casserole how to make better guacamole and how to like perfectly pork chop how to how to Houghton Egged on all these different things we kind of break. It was the first chef on the food network to not wear chef's coat which I'm very proud of. I remember that show so vividly. I 'cause I asked right when I moved to New York. I WanNa say we WANNA say me and my buddy we. Joe Watched you poaching egg on on on food nine one one and then one night were walking back from bars in New York. Now we used to live above Po- On Cornelia Street right twenty nine Cornelia Street right above poem Cornelia Street cafe. And so my buddy we chose like hey man we can poach eggs like we know how to poach eggs. Let's poach does a night. Yeah we got bugging wasted and based off of your your show. Our recollection is a dozen eggs and we were shirtless than drunk and it was bought by the way I still use that moment at the genetic Yemen. And you know and that's why I love the bad like these moments where it's like you know we have this superpower. You WanNa call it that right. We just know how to cook and I'm a I'm a one trick pony man this is all I wanna do like you take me on the kitchen. I can barely pump gas in the real world man. But like but this is my thing you know and I've been rocketed for a long time and and I and I love it and I love that moment where you just said you know like like what you did on television. We did it and now I've got a little piece of that too and I can make my guess is they're honestly you know you could probably say the top five lists the most incredible things on planning to be alive with but didn't know how to cook got to be one of them. You know what I mean. It's got to be one of them. It's going to be out there like I just. I love to cook because I I love the taste of food like to me like nothing like very few things like ours. Exciting when you taste like Almond God. That's crazy and to not even better ride the possess the ability to take something that's like average and season it two point was like. I'm never tasted food like that before. That's just my gift man. And so you know. Get chance to hang out with people again. Just like travel and write cookbooks and food festivals and and be a part of the big food and our culture minimum like like like like I said what five or six of us and who started the network and a lot of ways and And a lot of people come on a lot of now and now it's like a whole new generation of people that bums me out a tad bit It bums me out. It's cool to see the lifers. The guys who you know I it speaks volumes about your your your humility and your personality if you can stay at a network that long because it means that you're not you're egos not getting in the way you're a good person to work with. There's a lot of reasons. People stayed in network and number one is people like a beck's it again number one and. I think that's a good lesson if you ever get the opportunity to go to the big show right like if you ever get your opportunity to have a Netflix special or if you get your opportunity to have a a series on something don't act like an asshole right as soon as you get it the whole thanking. Just go away. And I've seen it happen to so many people before so second. You lose that gratefulness of all of it and it doesn't matter how great a relationship you have or how much money you're making an episode or it could all just go away right so travel channel guys will come. And and you'd I mean I could name exact names and they'd come in and they'd be just difficult. All get was one one week of good ratings and all of a sudden they were unbearable and and you and I remember being like Hey I remember someone saying to me at an upfront Then what's key? How come like like what's ahead. What's the secret and I was like him and I am probably the lowest rated show on the network. I'm still here so I was like. There's a reason I'm just not a Dick Fungi. Whatever they ask me I always say yes. I never questioned him. I'm a company guy. Ibkr very appreciative for the job. It's fun Buchan job and it and it was. It was amazing but there's IT speaks more. It speaks more about who you are as a man or a woman. When you you have a job at a network like that for awhile gift you know I. It's a gift. It's a gift to be on television. Get the show businessman gift right and so the Zoe so When I'm out in public and people walk up to me. I'd never disrespect at that intersection right. Somebody wants up to make us all. Megani AIN'T GONNA get picture with you. I'm like yeah absolutely quincy came in of course because I've been on television their house for years and they have a relationship with me. I know nothing about and I'm not gonNA blow that that moment with them because I'm busy or I'm running late for my flight or I don't have time or whatever it is or I'm with my kids. I mean like like some people just kind of blind to the situation the walk up in those start freaking out a little bit and then with my family did my eleven year old daughter will take the camera and take the picture my wife. We'll take the picture I and so you know it's just it's just part of the whole thing but it's an amazing relationship It's been It's been a singular experience is only about probably twenty or twenty five people in America. Don What we've done now and to be on that network as long as we have and and it's a blessing but I think about it. It's like we never take our our recipes for granted right. We never take like I. I never I try my hardest not to repeat myself or you know like talk about some crazy recipe. We did ten years ago. Were always reinventing it. While is come up with new content will always new recipe writing and trying to kind of keep the storyline flowing is. I've seen a lot chefs fall apart like that. We just because like their food never evolves where I was like. Wow you don't get me started. The number one thing and comedy. The number one thing is the number one rule my opinion if your comic you've got to challenge yourself on your next special by the way. I'm not a genius bill. Burr told me that it was like yeah man. If you're not challenging yourself you're not growing. And he was very simply he was like when you were an open mic and you've got a couple of jokes that works like all right here we go. Do you still do like knowing. He's like yeah 'cause you grew here's like you should definitely can grow when you're also really good too when you've heard us is good. Yakuza. I honestly I'm sure like you because I I gotTa tell you. Hey boy is fucking great special man refunding and so like now I feel like twenty four years deep on food network. We're launching a new restaurant. San Francisco's falsely steakhouse with the Golden State Warriors It's called Miller and locks. Were doing that one. We got wayfair tavern. Our flagship restaurant here in San Francisco. I got I got chicken shop at the airport. And we're doing a lot of fun expansion in the restaurant business and in we're I launched a just launched two new youtube channels once a wolf it down once a wolf it down. I T K which things in the kitchen so we're producing a bunch of amazing content for a younger audience. Who Don't really know a lot about food network or not really. Watch that kind of thing. We just launched a newsletter we just launched a new website. A wolf down so we're we're constantly evolving and cranking out new stuff and this is how you have to stay relevant right. So it's it's easy to blow up. It's hard to stay there. It's hard to stay there with longevity right so you constantly. Whatever you did last year crumbled up though in the garbage can do something new to give people something that sink their teeth into your not average or boring or quiet or or or dull right. So so wh- When I was in Culinary School My instructor and the sauces and skills class this school day one by way right he So everybody everybody can walk in and you know how you Nouri little chefs code on the hat and everything right and he picks up the knife on my board feels it and he looks me in the eye. Any wolves is is. He says Bill Knife Bell Chef and he put the night that I walked away and I was humiliated. But that was the point of it right if you if your if your knife is dull if you're comedies though if your food is though you're all right so that's your message out to the world right at. That's your thing you're out there like Pumpkin used brand you to yourself to stay commercially competitive. Yala to yourself. Do like to be on the cutting edge. What's happening and to know if you're not right. And that's the thing about. That's what's always Kinda kept US relevant. My knife is never fucking never dull knife Dole chef might be my new. I've been I've been. I've been collecting quotes lately Gabby reese The volleyball player fresh football player. Television host athlete married the Laird Hamilton. She said the other day Take up space. So that's when I learned. I needed to take up space. She's like I'm six foot three and here I was trying to be cower and not get noticed and I realized you know what I'm GonNa take up some space. That fucking line for me was like how many times have you been there. Even when it comes to listening and you just don't listen you just make sure you don't fuck up we'll take up space and let yourself be the fuck up and then and be yourself can take up space. Be recognized you but dull knife Dole chef is like is like I mean you could say that. Don't dull dull knife. It's just it's really it's A. I love statements like that where you don't mean you don't you take more from it than maybe they meant but you go. Oh that's how I'm there we go. I found hanging my hat on something. You know yeah. Yeah because it's like if your knife is what else you GonNa let Slip Right. Like if you're if you're comedy is is is dull if your microphone is dull. Like what else you don't let slip and so like having that ability that self awareness which is always is super important for people that have the the opportunity to step into the limelight at some sort of notoriety. The at self-awareness is so incredibly important. To know if you're if you're maintaining something that's always kinda cutting edge always on the forefront happening and so yeah so it's been it's been a wild ride man it's been it's been amazing I love eleven more than ever and we're super happy. Now what's the what's the scariest you've ever been on a journey of his. You like once again. You guys were kind of like explorers in how to monetize being chef meaning like just more than open restaurants. What was the scariest you were whether it was opening a restaurant? Investing your own money or you know starting a book doing a press store a new show walking away from his show walking taking a break from food from chiampou gentle. Like what was the who what was What's The scariest you've ever been in adult well? I I've had a couple of moments in my life that that really liked. Set me back there right so I remember when I was twenty seven years old and and I hit a wall like working in restaurants professionally from fifteen to twenty seven like that was my life. Man was one hundred hours a week in the kitchen. And you either had Thanksgiving or Christmas off the never had both you never had any receive off and you never really had weekends off. You had like Monday Tuesday off and you always kind of worked in this like opposite I was like it was like opposite world for me right and so I kind of hit this wall because I was dating a girl in New York City who worked in fashion industry and she went on weekends and like like my job is starting to come become a problem. You know what I mean like like I said and I'm starting to realize that I didn't exist. And and the the normal world existed in the restaurant world so when the Food Network think popped up I I kinda like jump in Leptin blindly would both feet because I was just sick of it I would just like. I just can't I just can't do this anymore. Man It's just like having you know you'll must have a heart attack and see Kennel. The heads it kind of walk in Hitchin. You know when somebody's not someone's no-show note show right and then he goes. Okay okay now working salads. You're doing expo. You're doing this and you just Kinda try to get through and like but I remember the first time I walked into the set of a television show and and these are people who are. Just you know freelancers right video guys. Make up artists jacket producers grips lighting experts. Everybody I'm like. Do you work fulltime. I'm like no no. I'm freelance. I Miss Doing this for a couple of days. But then the the symbiotic relationship. They all kind of came together with level professionalism. Who is like? That's kind of fucking amazing. I kind of fell in love with with the team of working in television. So so that that moment when I was kind of in limbo burnt out working in restaurants and not really having a food network contract yet it was it was just kind of dark and and I had gone through a divorce at the time too and I had a very young baby and and so I was living in Brooklyn at the time I was on a street eighth street seventh and eighth and Park Slope and And she she left and went back to South Carolina and she took everything all of our stuff and we didn't have a lot of stuff. Anyway so I was twenty. Seven was making about fifty two thousand dollars a year limerick city which is hard even back then and And she took. She took our child Who's WHO's now twenty three years old by the way and the most lull human? Beanie lives here in California with us but she took our child and she took all of our stuff and she moved back to South Carolina. When I wasn't even home right and so I came back from the restaurant and they aren't was cleaned out. And I have anything I I had a pile of coat hangers on on the on the floor right and that was an and that was after you know Moved to New York City twenty one so that was after about six years of his hustle and hard you know and and And just trying to be the man and all of a sudden. I felt like this was a pretty dark days. And then the always pull out him right. You always gotta polite it and I always think to myself like the the the the the real challenging moments in my life is when I have bounced back the best right with with the best were and the best ideas and and that moment where you'd like your backbone makes you who you are as a person and then now like two thousand twenty the Milas pan-demic with my restaurant crashing food network. You know postpone a couple of seasons of stopping and you just have to quiet your heart be right. You know what I mean like. You're GONNA be okay. You're going to get the wall stuff because I think adversity it's like it's friction polishes so it's the adversity that you go through in your life that gives you the stamina to go through it again because you're GonNa go through it again right. There's things that happen to you that are from your own design which you kind of learn from in life and things happen you do. You have no control over and the best thing you can do. Just learn from those and start developing survival salts right and started. It's happened again. Two thousand eight men and the economic bouncer I remember when the executives a food network walking in rightly wrapped up Tyler's ultimate and. They said they're canceling three contracts. And I didn't and that was before we were because I just a television for fucking ten years man television cookbooks right and so and I kind of built up this sort of house of cards in a way where I was assuming food network will always be there and and it does. The money was good. The money was big man. I went from fifty fifty two thousand bucks a year to make a shit on money working on television and so I was like. Yeah whatever meant was rolex. Let's go get a Range Rover and let's get you house. Let's go and all of a sudden food network says yet. We're we're GONNA pause for a little bit because it was out of my control because all their advertising when he was starting to wrap up to because it was just it was just the world and and and I'm like Whoa who aren't burn through all of our savings and about About three months Fired all my employees Burnt all of our our liquid Oliver Stock and went down to what felt like close to bankruptcy man. You know and because we didn't really have a backup plan. We didn't really have anything that felt like. You know if this happens I get this of that happens like that and I said to myself when we get out of this and I know we will. This will never happen to me again right. So we started developing these like cheers of revenue between restaurants books and media appearances in different things that we always feel like we have a pipeline of cash. Always kinda coming in so and and being in business for yourself as you are right. Those things other. Something's always about to sunset right. You're always kind of in the middle of something that the contract is about the sunset right so on I am overly aggressive about keeping new ideas in the pipeline that that may not sure for a year or so but I know I'm working on the shit because like that thing that we're doing today won't be there forever man it just won't so you have to constantly replace yourself replace your ideas replace your business models over and over and over again and that's how you stay on top and sometimes you'll knock out of the park with a big one in some years you've stacking up little stuff right and it's okay right so some some years you're going after Wales and some years you scooping up minnows with net right but as long as you gotta play the Food Bro. As long as you got to play food and you doing what you love. That's all Nice. It's so funny man. I got you know how you must have felt in two thousand eight. I think started working for travel in two I when I was thirty. Seven forty seven out of ten years ago so two thousand nine. I guess And Burqa Conquer Kinda. Tell You my love. That show cough. Thanks it's so funny My kids just watched an episode. My kids never really saw it. They just never either too young. And so we willis. What was the first time you kids realize you're famous? I have an interesting an interesting. The first time I ever got recognized in front of my kids was that a magic Johnson's Fridays right by the airport. And it was and it was Sunday. I'd flown in on a Sunday morning and we decided to go to Magic Johnson's Fridays and have lunch. And I walked in birds. Concrete judge started airing and a bunch of black dues. Were in the bar getting ready to watch football and one of them saw me and was like I'm going to do girls rosary young at the time and I hear him just go. Oh Shit motherfucker and lose their minds and they come out and they all get pictures with me and have. The guys didn't even know who I was. They just knew that he recognized me but he was a fan of the show is like I love that show. I grew up in Ohio. I used to go to Cedar Point all the time. So then the comes up by the way for those. You don't know Magic Johnson's when he owned a business he An American employees. It was it was about. Communica creating revenue in the aftermath of Jimmy. Right all black restaurant. Usually all black people went there to eat before bucks movie theaters and so we sit down and then the manager comes over and he's like I. I'm not aware your show but I'm aware that a few of my my hatred. Love you and so We WanNA comp your meal and I was like Oh wow and so. I'm I'm literally like like like looking at my wife going baby. It's happening like it's it's happening. Yes like look at us. Check it out. All my daughter's realized they don't realize it but I got recognized for television. They just realized that black people love Dat right off two days later in the mall. And anytime my Dau- oldest daughter Georgia's all black person. Go Dad look look bad and also baby abby point that black you'll going. There's one right there so that was the first time I don't think they They don't really give a shit much for a very cynical when it comes to anything fame related. They're very like the mock me. Pretty Heavily Same Way Burr. Burn Burr Bill. Burr is one of my really good friends and my daughters are identical. Because for whatever reason and I think it's because I didn't get success older older age whenever I get a recognized. I I tend to match that person's energy someone's like Oh shit like oh it's up dude like a Metro Energy. Bur told me where. Xfl game he goes stop matching their fucking energy. Because you're getting more excited than they are. And then they try to get your energy. Now we have to fucking lunatics spinning out of Control and my daughter. Just mock it. They'd go the as soon as I started doing it. They do it to each other. Like they were recognizing each other all brother brother. Oh brother and so they. My daughters are brutal. Fifteen thirteen right. Now that's a really good ages. So I've got a my oldest son miles who in the cybersecurity industry and South Bay super talented incredibly smart guy and then my wife and I have a A twelve year old son daughter so I get the same age. Good God but Yeah so the second round because like miles my oldest coming grew up. Were the first wave of fame and and you know he was kind of with a kind of a different spike spike. You know a bunch of times over the years but that first spike you talking about like to like two thousand to two thousand four two thousand six. When I was emily DAUSI's lead in for five years on food network. Was like you know what we would do. Book signings in like Chicago for example and they would book borders two nights in a row on states. Reach Kogyo an APP. Six are fucking people two nights in a row signing books for six seven hours only got so like I'm with that that frenzy thing right because people when I walk on that level you gotta give them a little bit you can't you can't be dismissing. You gotta be gotta give him a little bit but But man like it's a with that level of fame especially when your kids don't realize it until they do now the second wave second round of this are located right when when my daughter is obsessed with like googling me right and she was like Dad. Did you see this thing on instagram? Somebody said something about you. Like how dare they? I'm like honey. Let's go who cares. Oh God I guess so but But she and it's also the other thing which is kind of interesting with her too because she doesn't like for me to over participate and a lot of things that she does like she's in a competitive dance group. Like your like your dance video. Like hip hop dance video. That she's eleven. She does at competitively right. Oh for real young. She's good she's really really good and she says it like it. When I picked up a dance class she doesn't like it when I sit with the MOMS. You know because like kids walk out and start going. Oh my God is Tyler Florence. Hey can I get a picture with you? And then they they'll they'll that will get reflected back to her and in the same thing happened with my oldest son to and and you might bump into this later in life like I know living here in San Francisco. It's like you know. Kevin System is started instagram. Jack Dorsey twitter like these are friends of mine. Just because we live in the same city and and here in San Francisco. Those techstars our our celebrities right. So like Tech Guys Jeff's right people ingest right and so when my oldest son Really want to get into the industry. The Tech Industry. I'm like let me make a phone call for you. Man I like I know mark many off you know I I know I know Kevin Sister I know these people let me just get you in. It was like Dad. Don't do it because they'll always look at me as your son versus versus versus. Who I am I right. And that's why I'm so proud of my oldest son. Because he got he got a job working with a cybersecurity company in South Bay and he got the job all completely by himself and had to go through some some difficult training to get certification and a couple of different special industries right especially specific Cyprus. I'll even though the fuck it is. But but he he did on stuff himself by the fame thing. You know it's I get a reservation any restaurant in the world I would. I would abuse that of our zoo. Either party trick. It's a party trick. Let people call me? Hey can you give them your reservation at Shammy Louis in Paris for two of us for tomorrow night? I'm like yeah fucking watch. This shit foam dawn right. Well she got those like that's fun but but the thing is it's it's it's something. I feel like my family. It is graciously patients through right like they understand that. That relationship pays the bills they get the right and I try to remind them from time to time that that all those people. That may seem a little obsessive. That's those are the people that Anna keep us. You know this reason. We've got a pool in the backyard. Mas- reason good private school. You know it's like so like as against another with someone early like he's never you never disrespect as thank God. Talk about several fast. 'cause I gotTa tell you there's like something that your generation of of comics kind of coming together as a team of comics in L. A. Specific right so so how you guys all stick together and then cross promote each other's stuff is kinda spectacular watch right because I consume a lot of youtube and even the comedy store when I go to La. I always go to Communist. Even if I go by myself because kind of like having that that that keen sense improv. To me like watching you guys do. It makes me a better performer on television. Sometimes but but how how you guys how you guys stick together in the cross promote each other stuff. Podcasts The special to me. That solidarity is kind of really refreshing. You know. I think it wasn't always that way. I think it was very competitive for a long time. It was always. There's only five spots available and who's going to get those five spots and I think I came up in that in a generation and I remember that that I I that kind of pushed me into travel. 'cause I travel channel so I was like I was like I I remember. T- I forgot birth conkrite tested for a Sitcom and it was like me fucking Chris Catan it was like the Weirdest Group of people and I was like this does not seem like my sensibility. Just started getting into trouble channel. And at that time Rogin and Carlos Mencia had a big falling out. I don't know if you ever saw that. It was like I've seen it. It was bank and I think what Rogan was doing was he was standing up for comics. He was saying this Rogan has always had a and I and I hate to put this all on Joe. He would definitely go. I don't know you talking about. He would definitely say that. But he's had an affinity in a love for originality and he gets inspired. What what what stirs. His creativity is seeing greatness like seeing people perform greatness. Always to this day. Whether it's an ultra athlete or a fucking a scientist or a politician or you name it if you are if you if you are great you do great things. Joe Rogan fucking fascinated music and he's inspired and so when that happened with with Carlos I think he was set off to the side like this outlier where it was like him. And you're not allowed to plan our game anymore. Stores kicked out. You See. You can go to the Improv. That your friends aren't there you can go to the Ice House. That's just a spot. But you gotta do your own thing and I think it really bothered Joe that he was kind of pushed out of the store and so he looked at it as like a Wanna. He wanted to help comics be original so when he started his podcast he was very very very adamant about putting you on putting you over a you need to start a podcast and I'd be like well. I guess he's Kevin do your own like you need to do your job. Your own content. You need to be your own ship you. He didn't start a podcast network. He just Kinda like you need to do your own thing you got it. And he meets a girl Joey Ari you name the list of goes on of guys he said you have to start a podcast yet and he said as soon as you get your watch them all tiger belly fighting the kid. I watch all of them. Yeah and how you guys stick together to me. I just think it's fascinating and I think Joe was the kind of driving force of we are stronger together than we are a part if we put each other together and put each other over together. If Whitney starts a podcast we all do our podcast. We bring on our podcast. We get her podcast to be great because she can get guests that we'll never get David Sedaris David Spade. Go over to her house and so when her pocket the bigger podcast gets when we have something to promote. We can go. Yo Indiana specials coming out to your podcast of course and so it's I think. La leaned into it. We learned that we had more to gain from each other than fighting each other. So when like delete delete specials coming out me Hemin girl or text and like how can we help promote it? Like what can we do momentum on our podcast you wanna come on our podcast and it's so it's been really good. I think I think that the people that are not like that in a weird kind of Lord of the flies kind of way we kinda weed them out. Notice that you're selfish and you don't WanNa play with the group or you want to go off and talk shit about people and and and be nasty and start rumors or whatever. I think we kinda go him. And that's how the Games played and I I don't know why or I'll tell you. It's a bizarre time to be a part of comedy especially in La. Because you know it's like I mean in you'd never have the biggest comic in the world. Which is joe arguably the biggest coming in the world being like hitting you up and going home in your specials premiering dot dot. When can I get you on the podcast to promote it? And you're like I mean it's just crazy and be all to be friends like me. Lee and Tom were texting this morning. Said put out this thing about a joke. We did together. My and my mom called. She's not I watched Leah's special and then I texted my mom. Loves your special. The Girls WanNa Watch it tonight. They don't believe I know you and so it's a really bizarre but you guys kind of had that to a little bit right. You know we we we we do and it's gone through a couple of like waves of of Camaraderie right. I mean when like so the South Beach Food and Wine Festival Aspen L. New York Seafood Festival. They used to be these moments. Where where we as a group would get together because often were just kinda ships in the night and an I? I wish we would because I use the reference of the the the wave of comedy. You kind of call this right now but like I grew up in the world is Steve Martin and Richard Pryor and George Carlin. All these guys were just like speaking the truth back in like the seventies and eighties an Eddie Murphy and like like those of the Comics. I used to like just like really. Just just like listen to and studying at their albums and listen to over and over and over again right but then like this next wave of of comedy. That's kind of coming out. It's not about you. It's about us right and so in in every time I'm in La I'm in La will nine a month but I use them ucla at least once a month. And every time I drive by the Chateau so I was driving down sunset. And I and I'll see that marquee at the comedy store and my boom like like I know all those guys because watch all your podcast and stuff on like I know I know everybody on there. It's like no it's like you know Cocoa Diaz is like. He's been fresh tonight's window. Joe That would make fucking day that usually pill till tell us at high. I don't I don't know personally but I I just feel like I I. You know I've watched the stars death on on on the Church of what's up right whatever it's got like. He's so funny. Man is so in shows so funny I so all you guys man. I'm Mike so like I I disagree and I wish that is I bring this up alive and I have a hard time describing it by bringing up a lot. There's a sense of camaraderie that I think we should develop a little more in the culinary world about promote each other because like now it used to be the thing where like I got a restaurant. I got a cookbook. And then if you're lucky enough to get a TV deal cool now if you don't have a restaurant cookbook a TV deal and a podcast series or you're doing something kind of independent in that world. You really not. You're not maximizing your exposure autoways right so so to meet my ex. I actually said this earlier today that you never want to like put yourself in a position where waiting to get picked right. Never so having this moment where it's like you're promoting each other stuff and everybody's gotta boats rising tide like everybody's making each other famous popular in a way where we were all like trying to quietly hustle deal and go go to auditions and go to readings and try to get the. Sitcom whatever it is and and kind of cut throat the other guy it just like nobody wins in that world. Yeah it's it's almost like you know this is gonna sound silly not to bring this back but it was like you know watching the the great food truck race the other day and I was like season twelve by the way men do that for eleven years now but it was interesting. They were all in Vegas. They're all going to different places and what's funny to me as I thought like Like it was like the the one guy went to the to the Vega signed the the the L. B. Q. Truck went to the LBJ. Take you headquarters. Which I thought was a fucking cheat because they guilty people in the now buying their stuff. It's like if they didn't buy their stuff. They felt like they were committing a crime so like but it was But it was really interesting. I thought as a comic in the way we operate I was like. Oh you guys should all just go and I know you can't do is but you guys all wanted the same parking lot the more food trucks around the more. I go older my options like. Yeah and that's what I tell them all the time like I quietly privately. Give them advice every episode right and then if I say something one team I'll make sure I'll circle back with other team and make sure they get that same little nugget of wisdom but I think you know when the trucks can join up together and then in that force it looks like there's a party going on versus you by yourself in the parking lot looking like a loser right like you're you're with three or four chunks. You look like a party and I WANNA I WANNA know everybody I wanna I wanna I wanNA party with all I think in the end. That's the way we kind of look at look. I've said I've I've said I've said privately. I've said publicly to every scripts which I now I think is all discovery now but every scripts talent that as long as I was over there I said every single one of them start a podcast. I said too. I said to To the president scripts. I can't remember his name. The guy that lived in Arizona the big big big house with the garage. I remember showing him. My Man Cave went time news. Let me show you mind. I saw car. Then he goes he goes. He goes like this. He goes zoom out of this thing and I go. Oh you pull your and as I pulled the fingers together. It was a massive space. It was like what is that a bad game and he was like I said I said always number one. Everyone should have their own podcast there. They they should've they should've Eight years ago started podcast network brought in the AD sales teams from food combined. Start THEIR OWN AD sales. It would be a game changer. A game changer. 'cause they already have talent end buyer set up to work together. I own my thing. I used to say as food network would always go up. We have the number one magazine in in the space. When it comes to food they would always say that upfront and I used to tell Gregory aside go say it the one time you know we have the number one lifestyle podcast network in the world one day. That's GonNa mean something that days now and I'm like every single one of you. I mean we do. Something's burning my cooking show. We released audio. Podcasts WE DO. Something's burning on cut where I just released from. The second of Mike goes onto the second of Mike's raw and we released the whole thing. And it's more downloaded than my regular podcast and is just is but it's you know what it is. It's just stealing what you guys did. I love cooking shows. I love hearing people talk about food. I loved it and and and I love the conversations that food brings in the conversations are always better. You always end up talking about your family your culture you talk about all these great things or you talk about nothing. 'cause you just haven't wine you're not holding. That's great. Yeah I would love. I want everyone to start a podcast while so weak a pot. And it's now my brand wolf down got started right so we we did Because it's hard it when we come up with a new brand we go to the discipline called naming the baby this cause because you can't think about what the name of the baby is now you have to think about how people are. GonNa make them in the third grade and a playground right so as to be very thoughtful name when you name a new project or start a new company. It's called naming the baby so we're trying to find this like witty like a food. Ism that felt like you know attainable the quick and simple so wolf down pop the blue right so I copyrighted it. I've got only domains the website and think about that right and then we started up. We started podcast back in two thousand. Two thousand seventeen started podcast and we did. We did in nineteen of back to back to back and they got a little expensive to build produce a I. I think a good piece of advice. Everybody's like how do you get over that Hump because you can't you can't produce crap right you can produce it's unedited but you but you can't produce crap it's gotTa have some sort of like you know role in music underlay yacht to do commercials yet to have some sort of policy so to get people that tool that can give them the ability to cross over the dry part where? You're just doing it to do it until you get twenty thousand downloads at week. Twenty five thousand dollars a week is. That's always the thing is. It's not like we need the money but is just starting to burn from other pockets of cash that we had is pain for producers and stuff like that. Keep the whole thing going. So how'd you guys jump in podcasts? World immediately sponsors all kind of lined up immediately have all. This is part of the network to. That's what that is is that is like you said it's that. Camaraderie so at one point when I was on travel upside this story. A million times fans but Rogin endure backstage to the store and I got off stage and they said I felt like they were talking about me. And I said what's going on. And they said you show socks I go really and then like triplet trip flip and they're like it's not you. It's not who you are. You're not that guy you're not a TV host your comic in your podcast like embargoes. What's your nose like what he goes what I told him he was like. Okay all right. He's like well. We'll get your sponsors. We'LL GET YOUR AD sales rep. We'll get you. We'll figure it out but just back on stage just get away from travel channel and then luckily I think her name is courtney white fired me and same thing to happen to you. We don't work done. It was a pleasure. I never actually worked with her greatest. I named her because I'm so grateful that she did it she goes. It was the best thing that ever happened me. I didn't see it at the time I was like. You said I was panicked. I was lost. I was like what am I going to do? It was the lowest part of my life. I was just like but I. My friends stepped up and they were like we need. Get Your podcast to fifty thousand dollars at the time that was the threshold. We gotta get you fifty thousand downloads. An APP suite for per after so they all jumped on my podcast. They're all the big names accommodate. Just started getting on my podcast and they were like that that to me is is that kind of camaraderie. I I wish other sectors would do that right because like it's It's a that teamwork right. We're all GonNa get this together and collectively. You've you've reinvented common enemy like you've really. You've reinvented comedy. For a whole new generation of people introducing all new characters and new favorites. Like like Krista. Leah's podcast like that's that's so that's so interesting. Because he doesn't really have. He just fucking rifts off the top of his head for an hour and a half about fucking nothing. But it's so funny to watch Mr to do it right. And everybody's hot cash is a little tiger belly. That's like tiger. Bell is the best podcast today. Add fucking pain back and forth thing. That is the funnest fucking podcasts. Do in the universe about it. We'll do when you come out when next time you can win. This shit gets over and got your restaurants and your restaurants opening with the with the warriors to make a trip down to la. I'll put you on everyone's podcast. You'll do a podcast Ron. It's great press the people that listen to podcasts. They love good booze and good shows and they love good food or wine will be fun. It'll be a blast and I'll get you on tiger belly like it'll be we'll do a podcast run together where we just go and you gotTa Joey The S.'s. Either fucking started death and do Joey de Esa bring it. Bring us some possum. An Apostle of I wish I could get you guys. I know. Food's very pro proprietary about who gets on cooking Wish I could bring you guys on. Something's burning I would love to have you. Do I have a very old school contracting so. I'm clear to do anything I want to do. You know what I mean like like I work with network and I was like I can't. I can't remember the exact terms of what I can't do it somebody else but all this stuff is clear. I mean I I could not get out of here. I know you have a busy day but man I could talk to you for hours. I haven't even scratched the surface. So if you want to do another one of these while we're in quarantine if you've got a free day I would love talking you again. Let's do it I I never even got to well. You know and honestly like I could talk to you and talk to all of your your your your colleagues you know and like this space right now because I'm such a fan of Combo right. I mean I'm such a fan like for years like I would if I were if I was in L. A. Shooting I would go to the comedy store by myself and watch comics for fucking hours. I mean I I like Whitney Cummings. I saw her like fifteen years ago. It's like it's like doing doing her thing. And and so to me like I like seeing all you guys be so wildly successful and collectively as a group rise to the top of the Genre and away but no one's really standing out everybody's collectively as a group and with no ego and I love the way you guys bus each other's balls on on on podcast and stuff like that. She's like and the fighter and the kid is that fun. What Oh fuck yes. That's brutal I can. I count on his like human PROZAC. Man He makes me Giggle. Hard as fuck and Brennan. Shaab is a huge baby. Greenwich Saab Is Straight Up Athlete. Like you forget. What a fucking athlete is. He's in like or like. Oh He's a beast beast. He did a hot spin with me one time and you forget oh he was also a professional athlete like he just his his goal mode is different than the average humans go mode and he's also like like a man so he's like you didn't bring any waters we just grab your water bottle. Takes a SIP puts back stuff that like collide society ignored like doesn't do any job is right there. He's like a big thumb. Yeah and and Bryan callen. Listen to everybody's sort of like buster balls his friends. I'll tell you what I'm GonNa do a press run for you of podcast with all our all all my buddies and all the ones you love because new and Brian. Cowen need to go out to dinner together. He'd like he yeah. He's big food like legit big food. Like I mean. He was probably the last person in restaurants when corona virus it and he was like non one more meal. Right during like the podcast. He's always liked wine and cheese. Oh Yeah he's a legitimate booty and one of the sweetest funniest guys in the fucking world like. Oh funny blast dude. I'm GonNa let you get out of here. Why Thinking I. I've been a fan for probably twenty twenty years. It is so great to talk to you. I've I feel like I feel like we're family because we are under the same umbrella for such a long time and I feel like we've had similar paths and lives in that when you talked about you know two thousand eight and pulling back contracts. I was there and that that backbone thing in this if we can put a stamp on this of like Motif that backbone thing what everyone's going through right now is like this is the strong your strongest. Hit your broken parts and you gotta let them try to break you and and that we're all going through that right now and and some people are much more extended say myself. Or maybe you or maybe or maybe calendar maybe Brennan shower maybe Rogan. Maybe it's a lot tougher for a lot of people. I think that's the clear part but but it's everyone's GonNa look back and go okay. I got I got I got through it and and I think that's the message for everybody right now. You're you're you're going to get you're going to get through it. You got it most important things to healthy and And and be really really Kinda of everybody because you know. I have no idea what somebody else's Day but no this will this will pass. We'll be okay but went for us to and stuff like this right. I mean we're we'RE NOT GONNA. We're not going to let the flame go out on anything then never grow. Never like I I so as much as you love. Awesome Food Network. I gotTa Tell You I love you guys back because like you crack me up every fucking day you know what I mean I love. I love paintings to the podcast. I marvel at the solidarity of all you guys can hang together through thick and thin and And especially now I have like burn through all of like the new stand up comedy specials on Netflix. Because I'm sick of bad news. I don't want to over and over again and I I gotTa tell you like you you. You are the top of your game. You're fucking funny. Like everyone else is telling jokes your storyteller and I think in this really kind of like Mark Twain away like you've got this ability to hold people's attention by telling a story that really happened you and it's very authentic and it's fucking real circle brother nothing but respect and love. Thank you so much. Let's get through this. Get you down to La. Look at that beautiful German short haired pointer. I'd rather than just show up here in California. You know dislike cooking hanging out in life and and You guys eating for dinner tonight. what are we? GonNa eat tonight. You know having bought about a man. We got some stuff in the kitchen New York Strip. I guess when you accepted came in I've got this. Is the fun thing about being a chef and quarantine people send you like so working with our our Miami distributor crank out at a Oakland. I just got a big box of like some dope stakes man. I so cooking your extraordinary the best part about being a podcast hosts is I got Omaha steaks. I got butcher box. I got Blue Apron. I got everything that I mike. My Sponsors Alabama. We'll get for you good for you. I mentioned they say the best of the best of a blast. Doing this man me too. Thank you brother. I talk to you. this episode is brought to you by the machine.

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Kristin Kreuk

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

1:03:20 hr | 2 years ago

Kristin Kreuk

"You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum, rob. We just Skype d- with this Gus. Yes from Toronto, we did from Toronto. I've wanted to interview her for a while. She was a co star of mine for many, many years, you as Lana Lang, she's in beauty and the beast, she was she has the a new show out now burden of truth, and she's a pretty dynamic woman, and I've known her a long, long time since I was she was seventeen and I was like twenty six she's very well-spoken much. So. So I sound like such an idiot when I'm talking to her. But, you know, she was really open about things. She was really open about her life growing up. You know, she was her parents are introverts, she's an introvert. We get an all that and much much more. I think that you're gonna really like this young lady. Yeah. This is still young lady. This is the rest of smallville week. This is the rest of smallville. All we've got more next week. That's right. We do have more guys. We got two more next week two more, what two more interviews from smallville. I have not seen. Yeah. That's why I'm looking at him. Like he's never seen it. But we got two more great guests right now. Let's get inside Kristen crook. It's my phone. On. Listening to inside of you with Michael Rose. Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front of a live studio audience, while rob just through chip at me to start this interview. It's a good start Kristin. It's a lovely star. Keep it light. Keep it keep it, you know Louis. Yeah. That's what we like to do. You know. Well, I always wanted you on the show, and we talked about it. But you don't live here. You don't come out to Los Angeles. I'm not going to put words in your mouth. I'm not gonna say Kristen you don't like Los Angeles. But you don't you're not a big fan of Los Angeles. Let's say is that sort of true that would be correct. Yes. I mean, there are parts of LA or aspects of Los Angeles that I love, but like as a whole it's never felt like a place that could be home for me. Right. Where are you right now? I'm in Toronto and you were born in Vancouver as we know tries. Yes, you are look from knowing you for so many years, I've known you since what two thousand one thousand one so the actor, I graduated high school. Oh my God. That's a crate. Michael, like 'cause I met her on his show to work on his show. Sorry that I bumped into you. Yeah. Always felt like you know, you're always I wasn't intimidated by you which would be weird for an older guy. You know, I'm your thirty six now, I think. Right. And yet, then you don't you're not one of those women or guys who worry about their age and say, I won't tell you how old I am obviously, because you just don't want us said, we already said ex, but also anything on our society really, you know, valued use over growing older. And if if we could change that now will, you know, it's funny because my mother, thank God rob, you didn't meet my mother, but she's in her seventies. And she will not tell her age. I remember when we were younger her first, two kids, she'd say, hey, make sure nobody knows that they exist. I don't want anybody know that I had two kids in my former marriage. So no, how old I am McCue. What it's kind of it's sick isn't it when you think about it. Yeah. But it makes sense bright when especially for women where most valued for our sexual years years. We can have children. And that's based on how much people find us attractive. And so if we don't change what we value in people in, especially in women. It's going to constantly be thing where it's like all about how young, you are, how young look or you know, how tractive of you are. Well, that was really articulate in like the way you said it made absolute perfect sense to me for, like not for the first time that, like I mean, I just never understood, like we'll don't lie about your age. If you're on a dating app, don't say you're thirty when you're forty, you know, there's like this lying thing. But now I I, I do understand I do understand the way how you put. It is different. But, you know, I always think, like, hey, this is me. This is why am but I'm also not a woman so I can understand what possibly what it's like to. It's a completely different system like generally, especially in the west Ammann's value was not placed on his, his youthful looking body or his ability to carry children because he can't. So you kind of have a lot more freedom in that sense in. And, and therefore, it's harder to grasp. Why women would feel that pressure? How old were you when I'm at you. I think I was either. I think I was nineteen. I think this is a scary question. What was your first impression of me? That's like why did I go down that rabbit hole? The first time I remember meeting you. We were I think, in the harem makeup trailer. And you are very much the same as you were, then although I think, now you're a little more regular more chill, your little more chill, and wrinkly. Yes, thank you. You're very outgoing away that I found terrifying being, especially then when as you remember, I was such an introvert, which I think, is where people sometimes family intimidating, but it was so quiet and a little judgmental. You were just so Hugh end so expressively loudly you that I was like. Yeah. Because I think, you know, look, I've always had that personality where Mike I want. Everybody like me. I'm a good guy. Look at me, and, you know, you were just shy introverted, and I was like, you know, if you think about it, it doesn't mean someone doesn't like you, if that's just not who they are if they're quiet doesn't mean if you're loud, they don't have to be loud, or they'll probably made you push harder to probably. I mean I always, you know, want someone to white me if it's a one person who's not laughing in the comedy club. I'm like, who is that jerk? But it's you know it's not, but we don't also different. We were different page in life. I was a little more experienced in terms of work, and you hadn't really acted all that much really you. You did a show called Edgewood. Close edge. Mont. This show called edge slots, which is a CBC series down. Like I played Snow, White TV movie. That's it. That's all I have done. I mean apart bike high school crap. But yeah, so were you a nervous wreck? Were you like coming onto the show that it was the biggest show any of us had ever done, and were you, I mean I could tell you a little nervous, but you kept it into how did you deal with that? I mean especially as seventeen eighteen year old I was more nervous. I think I mean, yes. Nervous about wanting to be good at what I did at that point, I felt comfortable at least with the technical, like I knew I could hit a Mark, which important than I was when I started, you know, when I started edge, I didn't even know what Mark was. So I think from that side of things I was scared that way. And then the other aspect of it was it was such a whirlwind, you know, the amount of press that we were doing the people who would, you know notice us or pay attention to us in the. Photo shoots. And it was like this constant thing. And it was really hard for me to transition from going to school to go into a job. I didn't have a car transport. Never drove me. My dad drove me to work women. I couldn't take the bus and that was like my life was in this massive transformation. And I dealt with it by reading euros reading, I wish I was always reading. You're focused, perhaps, would not allow you to do that Foley, squirrel. But I also groped a lot and walks around a lot in just try to process, what I was going through because it was really strange period in my life as affected as it sounds like you, probably were in ways that we don't understand like to me it, feel it felt like God. I'm ten years older than her. I wish I wasn't as affected, you know, you look so together, and I was I've never been together. It's amazing. But now looking back I think how could she possibly take it in stride? I mean you're probably doing the best you could. But when photo shoots and this, and that this was it started, and it was also like you're a gorgeous person. So it's you know, on top of that. That's nothing that you ever want. It's like it's not look, we all want to be good looking bright. But that's not something you wanted to be noticed for that, that again like. For me. I was like, oh my God. They want my picture and will you have been in the business longer? I think you had a better understanding of what it was. That was happening. So you done shows you'd been on TV shows you like they don't thinks that hadn't worked things that had like you just had a body of experience. I hadn't had that, so this thing just happened. And I was obviously hired in part because of the way that I looked. It was something, you know that I really fought against, I don't know. You probably don't remember this, but before I turned twenty one I spent his there was a distinct shift in my, my awareness when I turn twenty one. But the fourteen twenty one eight every effort to not look attractive, like, we went to television, critics association press stuff and an I didn't even have closed that I could wear. We didn't have stylus back then that was not a thing that we did run hire stylists. So, like Suzanne Gomez had to like find me scrounge up close for me to wear because I was not someone who bought clothes. I wore things until they were destroyed. Remember Steve Oben took photos of them in. Yes. Our wardrobe guy. Sorry, took photos of my shoes 'cause they were completely destroyed, but I continued to wear them with, like complete stubbornness sue. But, you know, I will. Swami no matter what you did, or try to uglier, self up. You couldn't succeed. However, I would do everything I could look better. Be in the same room with you guys, please zits don't come out, please Knicks them ahead. Please like I. Oh, god. I'm not as hands on always. I've always always trying to be like I'm doing what I can where like you. And Tom really didn't have to do anything you're lucky were natural beauty. And maybe you know what rob and you were you had to be bold, and I had to be bald. So I felt you know it was just like, oh my God. I got this weird not on my head. So it's funny that you're telling me that you were trying to ugly yourself up and I'm trying to get better looking gear where ridiculous ridiculous owing security. And that's what this, this business does to people. But you had a pretty good upbringing. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, my parents were both landscape architects, a were, you know, their supremacy practical people, which is probably why I am fairly practical. They. They were really supportive of most things. You might my parents, put me into everything. So I did I was in classes like almost every day of the week, you know, swimming gymnastics karate singing, dancing acting and we went to the national gymnast in gymnasts now now I was not that good. I am. I am not ended shis generally. So I, I never was that good. I started kind of late. My sister went much farther than I did and competed I believe, at the provincial level. But I competed more originally, I was never great. But, but all of those things have come in handy as gun older, but they also kept me structured, so they kept me focused in gave me community outside of school. So for whenever school was awful. It was hard. I felt really weird and outside of everybody. I had a group of girlfriends that I could hang out with. I saw them through four times a week training. And then more who were hanging out outside of it. Where did your personality your mother father because I mean your mother's of Chinese descent, right? Yeah. My mom was born in Indonesia, and is of Chinese descent. My grandmother's side of the family is diaster Chinese. They are from the Caribbean. So my grandmother was born in Jamaica and my unacademic goes back many generations in Jamaica. And then my grandfather was from Hong Kong, and my mom traveled a lot as a kid, so they started off living in Indonesia, but during that time both communist in Chinese people were being persecuted in Indonesia, if you've ever seen the documentary, the act active killing is an amazing documentary. But that's what was going on at the time so they left and they lived all over, like Singapore Solomon Islands all over the place. And then eventually came to Canada when she was around twelve or thirteen she came to Vancouver, and they met my dad was born in Ontario. So the province I live in now to Dutch parents who immigrated from Holland, and he also moved to Vancouver after he got his degree in landscape architecture in, then they met end end accidentally had two children accidentally. Truly s with first of all. How did you usually your parents, don't tell you? Hey, how did you actually because like my some people have covered up and say, hey, you want an accident? We don't want to get married at the time, and then we wanted to get pregnant, and we had you, and then we're like, oh, let's get married. They could face it. No, my parents certainly do not do that. They basically what I remember them saying is don't get married. Only get married, if you wanna have children, and they were very clear, like they got married because they got pregnant, my parents are still together. They love each other. They're like a, you know, a funny little match their very different people. But they're still together unhappy. So it was fine at work debt accounts by rocked. See your. You know, it's like, you know, don't get married, if you wanna family, then get married, but I've heard that before, and it's like it's kinda makes sense. It's like you want this. What's the word? Security. No, when you with your kids, you want them to have this union or this whatever. Yeah. Well, maybe team is not really the word I was looking for, you know, by the way, where do you get your personality from is your father, more outgoing mother more outgoing there, I would say they're both introverts but my dad is much more social. He likes talking to people. He likes hanging out with people in my mom's, a lot more kooky. So my debt, like Venus, I think, comes more from my mother, and my practicality comes more from my father, and then I have liked constant conflict between, like practicality end, perhaps a little bit more like a flexibility who is who is the disciplinarian. My mom was more scared of growing up. Definitely. She I was very scared of her. We got a lot of fights. She didn't want me to go out. Out. She didn't want me to be out in the world at all. I took karate enlarge because I was told I had to protect myself back, then it was like the white van the, you know, we were scared, but some was gonna kidnap us out of a white van. So I had to take her army to, to promote our story would rob my head. So don't say because I have a white van I wasn't going to say I've had a band for lawns. Of course, we've all fucked off, rob and fuck you Christian, but I have a van because my parents were never the kind of parents that, you know, my friends, their family would have vans, and they go on trips, and they take all the kids and their friends to baseball games. And my parents never had it. So I said, you know, one day I'm going to get a van version. And so it's a conversion van it's got like stereo, and TV and, and my friends and load up and go to concerts, and stugz actually what you were describing. Yeah. Go to hell. Yeah, it sounds like is probably not as terrifying is the one that knows I would hope nine th pretty creepy, not creepy. It's point. Just like nineties. It's inviting where did you grow up, though Vancouver Vancouver yet? So that was the luxury you had. At least you were when we were filming you're onset, like you, you can go home and be home and a half an hour, I would be a forty five minute drive to the airport. You know, the deal I live, knowing that, Michael, you made a concerted effort to constantly, not make over your home. You know, tried in the first two seasons. Yeah. You know, I've got a houseboat, and I remember I like Vancouver. You know, when I go back now it's funny, because after I was done with the shows like you know, I'm not I'm not going back. I did seven seasons. They're not going to give and what do I do my next series? In vancouver. And that's what I did. I it's hard when you're pulled away from your home. That's what we do, though. Let's, let's life and is what we do. And, and we're lucky to be able to do that. And then crew was not a bad city. But it just I like it just remember every Friday night or whatever. Michael's like come on. I don't want to catch on going home. Do you remember when you were cast, do you remember the day, you got the news, sort, not the exact day? But I was the first one cast on this show you were the first one cat. You wouldn't think that you go, gotta hire the superman or the villain. Or I think it had enough money that if Tommy had no chemistry they could just buy out. They were like this is terrible in his totally wrong. But I had another project that was like wanting me to sign on. So they had to make sure you auditioned, right? Yeah. Yeah. I auditioned in Vancouver. And I came to LA to test. It was the first time I've ever been to a lot. Los Angeles me in my agent went and my mother watched as he pulled up in his Porsche. Gave them the death glares. He took her eighteen year old daughter off to Los Angeles with him, but I remember the union meeting everybody in David nutter, making me feel very comfortable at ease in a meeting, Alan miles in going into one brothers in testing for all those guys. 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I born seeing that the graveyard scene. I don't remember the other one, but that was that was the for doing that seeing so many times. It's an it was an accurate audition, and you did it with Tom, at the end in Tom. Yeah. And then I came back in the new year. So that was before the new year and then those descend baron that I came back the next year untested with Tom Jensen. Let me ask you truth. When you first met Tom, you're like, oh my God. He's haunt. No. He's the most beautiful man. I had ever seen. I mean it was funny because Jensen is also very attractive, man. Pisses me off, because all the hottest guys in the world were surrounding me. I was tortured. Rob ilic? You're placing far too much value on the way, people look on the saying of hard to be like, you know, again, it stems from childhood, I get it. I'm just saying bald average looking with some charm surrounded by beauty Michael. Yes. I think you don't give yourself enough credit. Well, I do I'm just I'm hard on myself. But what I'm saying is. She's making her head. Yes. But did you. So when you first saw he he's a beautiful most beautiful person, and he was really kind he was warm. Tom was nice. I don't know if he was an adult I was a kid. I like well you're eighteen he was older than twenty three. But at that age hin hung out with, like twenty something year old man. Yeah. This first time sitting in rooms die myself with, like, adult male dog grunk. Well, it was terrifying for me. It was really scary. I get, you know, I don't want to get into this whole thing because there's another story, but the whole metoo movement was so important. And it was in like, if you think about it, if you're a guy and you're out there, how many times do you just, it's easy for you to talk to the other guys and talk about whatever and fit in and like the for a woman, you're it's, it's a different feeling reviewed your, it's go ahead. You're going. You wanna talk about that. It's I don't know what everyone's experience. I've spoken to. A select few women in my life. But from my own experience, the time you hit puberty is the time where you get the most attention from men ever so around fourteen fifteen years old. So suddenly it changes in, especially in my experience, I became like an object trucks would honk kept me men would stop their cars at the side of the road and talk to me, a child a fifteen year old child, and I didn't look like an older person. So from I mean, I'm just talking about one aspect of this me too. Obviously much more return to power structures power dynamics, but I'm just talking about a small aspect of the female experience in my personal experience. But that was, I had spent all of my teenage years trying to avoid that kind of attention. And so I just didn't have the skills to able to feel competent in a room with a bunch of adult men. We've up how many how many? How many women grown women stop their car at a fifteen year old boy and whistle. Highly rare hot, very rare. Your mom might do that. My mother. No, she was she would not do that. It just puts things in perspective, different perspective, especially when you hear imagine being an actress in Hollywood, and that's how this whole movement started. But it happens everywhere. I don't know. I don't want to get into, but I, I'm thankful that this whole movement came out, because I think it's so it puts awareness and inputs like, hey, you can't act like this. It's more than that, though. It's calling out systems and structures and finding ways to change the structures and analyze them for what they are, and set is a structure that I think is very or has been and continues to be in many ways a male dominated system. Like our camera crew we had on smallville. We had what a few women that came through in the camera department mayor's e with direct. Yes. Now, it's like a dairy male or entered environment. And that goes all the way up to executive positions. So it's just I don't know. It's structural and the movement is helping to shift those structures. And I think that it is moving from just our business in to all fields because it's a systemic issue that will take a long time to shit because it hasn't we have to shift our own mentalities, which I think is really hard to do people think about being on sets people. Don't realize, you know, that when you're on a said it's like a family. It's like you know, these people you see them more than your own family. Especially I know that me I wasn't around my friends or anything of these were the people, I knew. And so you get to point where you're so comfortable where you're talking about everything and anything you say stupid things in your plate full in your, you know, and it's hard to articulate what set is like, but it's not to say you can't still have fun. But there's there's, there's a line that you can't cross like fun. Fun and abuse are totally separate things. And every person is different boundaries. So all I think about, especially if we're just talking about set and having talked to, or engage with people on said, it's about finding out where people's foundries are just takes more effort. You know, like is this, okay. Is this kind of joking? Okay. Is this like, is this, making people uncomfortable making deal like they don't have a voice, or is it like stifling them? You know, that's just about consent though in finding Miami's Little care, you gain agreement from people without being explicit. Sometimes, I think, as long as you maintain critical thinking, I don't imagine. It's problematic, or the troops were all about respect. Our checking in with someone afterward. If you do something, and you notice that maybe it wasn't okay to get a sense, but you shouldn't have to stop having fun thing backwards. Can't like stuck. Cancel each other out there when was that you've just felt completely like now. I'm someone I'm on the show. This is changing my life. I was walking down Arar straight Wednesday. Probably going to the record store, and I had someone run up to the same on name like Kristen and want a hug, and I was so terrified. And I realized that I was no longer anonymous even in my own city, my life, had shifted, and I made another time that was really distinctive like going to Paris in being in a museum. And having a whole like swarm of teenagers start to follow me from room to room in a way that I was like, okay. Yeah. This show is very popular. The little girl in Vancouver in Berar streak going into that record store after the hug, and you're terrified was it sort of like that. The scary, it was a moment where it's like, oh my God that was uncomfortable. End moment of like that was kinda cool. We kind of excited that you're like you're doing something that's making such an impact that take some time it took time I wish I could say that I had that clarity then but I didn't now like going to the concert fan Expos or whatever with you guys and seeing everyone and talking to them I can feel removed, and I can feel their experience. When I like eighteen nineteen, you know, whatever I was only feeling my experience and not their experience and it was completely self centered. So that's completely shifted now. And I wish I had that lucidity van, but I, but I didn't just like it was, you know what's amazing is an I asked you. So, hey, come to these conventions. God, you know, and you were unsure in, you know, I love Tom and I are going to be there. It's going to be old times. I think you're going to really have fun. And I really noticed that once you were there and you got what it was and seeing what an impact we had and fans getting to meet you, or, and it was pretty crazy, how not only sincere but they're pretty respectful, you know, and for the most part, there's a few occasions, but you seem to be going taking stride having a good time with it, because yes, you were have always been an introvert. So I, I enjoyed watching, you sort of enjoy it in a way. Yeah, well, it becomes not about an unless the honest, it's about me, obviously, in some ways that, like it's about them when people come up and tell you about how you were the first Asian representation, a salon screening or you, you know that the show gave that their family something that bound them together gave them hope. Was, you know that family whose other had passed away? They were all connected to him continuously through our show like it's not about us. It's about us as like placeholder for them so they can use to like reflect themselves are built closeness with each other. And so being they're kind of just get to the trigger for that. And I get to feel that which is sometimes intense but, but is also really gratifying. I remember you're young and there was this like it should known as like these young. Of course, I'm a weird, you know, I'm older her. I am. You know, even though I was still young twenty five twenty six I was still like, you know, energy one weird and, you know, a goofy guy and, but I noticed it took a couple years, a memo, when we started really working together, we built this bond like, we there was, I remember specifically could happen before. But it was in an episode Lexus, big it was. On where those dream sequence where what if and you could have been married, and there was just this mutual respect in this cool thing, where we were on set almost all the time together, it was fun. And I could see, like you opening up like in a in a way never seen. I saw this young girl that I had worked with. But didn't work with very much and kind of came into the trailer like oh, hey, Kristen. You're leaving. I'm coming onto with John Glover an adult scene. And now you were this woman like I felt a connection. And it was it was really nice. Remember that? Absolutely. I, I loved working with you, especially as the years went by. We had more substantial work to do together. It gives me an opportunity to play dynamics that were complicated because lexin Lana were constantly lying to each other. They were hiding shit. They were secretive. They were so there was all for an acting for acting. It was fun because we got to play all these things end. Any are wonderful actor. So it was. Great to come. One set in do that with you. I had so much fun, inlex miss was a light episode for me, not screen time wise. But, like I got to just embody Lexus imagination of what Lana was, which was like, pure goodness, in fun and a great mom all these lovely traits and qualities that I really enjoyed additionally when it comes to just me as a person once I trust. You'll stay with you is when I am most authentically myself, and an I am, like a little strange in a little goofy, but along with my seriousness, but that takes time end to end. I think we got to that point as true, you know, maybe I don't know. But that's just the way I wild if you open up in, you really you, you, you take your time to get to know someone to see this is somebody, you wanna open up to someone that you wanted share something personal with or be honest with them. We oh. Also for the fans we get we had to kiss yet. But you had to kiss, Tom, I, then you kill Jensen, who was not NASCAR who's a better between the three. I'm sure Tom's most beautifully this office lips in the world. But I, I don't think I was terrible. Oh my God. Why are you obsessed with this James just set? It can smelly breath. Right. Was that right me or you're close talk? I was never a coast. He was joking because he knows I hate close talker. So he had fucking with me. I hate close offers. You had never kissed someone before Tom right? Onset new I had. Yeah. At. At i've. See now you're always playing a love interest. That's been my whole career up until now you feel about the kind of scenes where you have to you just kind of go with it now. You just, you know, the routine, you know, the deal this is it this way in my career. It's just another scene unless there has to be. Like Sydney elated sack Sifi bazaar. The rest of it is just I dunno. It is not it doesn't feel real to me. I mean, it's very different than what I'm saying is it is, or ever of a moment where you're looking at all hide God. Where are you going? I'm I'm look, I'm, I'm just as question like for some reason, like, sometimes you're on set. And there's pages it's like, oh, I have to kiss this person. God. Or do you go? Okay, or do you go, oh that'll be fun. I think a more on the spectrum of if there's someone I don't like I'll feel uncomfortable. Yeah. Everybody else. It's just what it is. How did your parents feel about small, Bill? Did they watch it? I don't Mel. Come on. I think they might look it was a lot of episodes of TV. I think they watched some of it at the very least maybe they watched all of it. We've never really talked about them watching it. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Your parents who are supposed to support you emotionally and. No. They didn't watch your work and say, hey, you do a really good job. I love you. I'm proud of you. I mean yeah. Of course they say they love, man. They're proud of me. But I think they make they make a point of ensuring that I don't feel that that's tied to what I do. Honestly, what we do is we tell stories and pretend of and I think that that's something to be proud of. But it's not like we're saving the world so he parents are pretty wonderful and supportive, but they're not over waiting it. They don't love acting so much. They don't love the business so much do their movie goers. They don't go watch movies in the movies. Yes place. They love going to the movies. They like watching movies, but it's not their life, you know they love books. They love movies. They love gardening. All that kind of stuff. But it's not hugely important through Berman shows, probably not their demo. Probably. A rob every once in a while come in with a dig. Dig it was she'll be clear by parents are very supportive either chips, so they weren't saying, you know, I had this very different like, I d of your parents, I'd love to meet your parents, one day, that would be hot Olaria. I mean what why do you say that the kinds, it wouldn't work to make them very uncomfortable? Probably imagine me when I first met, you my parents are adult. So it's a little different. I think it'd be fine because you're very warm, and my mom response, very well to warm people. So it would be I would find you find me amusing. I feel like I've always like I want to be Christmas parents. I bet I bet they like me. I bet I bet you think I bet we'd have a good time. I bet she was like, yeah, I don't know. It'd be a little uncomfortable. No. I make people feel comfortable. That's what I like to do. Parents. You don't think that would like you from the cast? No, no. I for a while. I was like, oh, my God, Chris parents at hate me, I think maybe because I think she hates me early on. But then as we got, you know, there was always thought my mind goes to weird places. It's all I don't know. It just goes there just goes to, like, oh my God. What am I doing here? The stew I wake up with stress. Sometimes I wake up with is you get to you getting Zayed. Have you ever had people say, oh, I'm getting Zaidi? But like, do you have you ever really got a had a an executive attack? Now, I've been very lucky for some reason, I have this ability when I start feeling really anxious to stop. And I'll have to ride it for a little while sometimes, but I never like not like that. You get pretty anxious. I don't let myself thought spiral in the way that other people seem to not be able to stop the thoughts barrels, have you ever thought of diagnosing me? We looked at me and going either Michael has led point, probably probably when I was like twenty when I was trying to figure you out understand why you were the way you are like why. What is, who is this human, I dec- behave like this? I don't understand. Most people say when it's just been Jess, rob, my producer, my friends. My fans are like they don't expect lex Luther when they see, like what, what who are you with? Are you go? I don't know. I'm still figuring it out Kristen. No, it's an ongoing process. But I bet you there was some points in some journal somewhere that I had the full right up about you. God. Really? Yeah. I was horrible just thinking that I could figure people out on hope. Yeah. Well later on you figure it out. You know, he's I like that you called me warm. See how I remember things like that. My mom would find you warm Schmidt body temperature think, well, no. I think she she would find me warm. You know what next time I come into Vancouver if you're there, we should have lunch, and we should go by meet your parents. We will see I think that could be need. I'll ask my parents, if they would like to do you really need. You see on mine. I could just walk in, and I'm like, first of all, I'd never want you to be my parents, I would really want to get your parents. I've heard so much about them over the years, I would feel like it helped me to like, have a deeper understanding of you. I mean, I've talked about them, I promise you that if you met my mother, you would immediately grab me, hold me, hug me and say, I'm like God. I'm so. That's what I that's what I think, was probably be true. Does your mom? Listen to your podcast. Michael. I hope not. Jeez, she would know how she could barely text. My father asked me, what's the best episode. Listen to I said, none of them. I don't want him to listen to them. It's like I say horrible things. I'm not like somebody who just said, I don't bash my parents. It's more like, hey, my dad did the best. He could. He's eighteen he adopted two kids that my mom had already twenty two year old woman who was a little all over the place. He tried to work. And you know what it was. There was just like in your family. I think there's a lot of honesty straightforward. This is it. We're going to say how we feel and what my parents is when I talked to them, I honestly, I swear to God, I think is this true story. I don't believe I don't believe anything they're saying, sometimes I go, I believe half of that honest to God at sats in every conversation. I feel like I do. So. I think it's very important when you're talking to someone like I'm talking to you. I know you're going to be honest. We know you I know robs pretty honest. You're honest thing thirty that's important. That's why my life. It's, it's so hard for me, believe it or not to trust people, even though I want. Sometimes I feel like I want attention or I want these things, I think what I want is someone that just loves me for me. Of course, we all want someone who is just honest with me. You know. And maybe that's why I'm not married. I don't know try. I mean, I've had long relationships, but how does that worked for you? I mean it says. Wow. Just turn that, right. Well, you well, you've had you've been you don't you don't have to talk privately. But you've been in a relationship awhile. Yeah. Yeah, I love being in long term relationships. Yeah. You've mostly been in them. Yes. I've never really dated. I dated once briefly for like a few months and love being close with people that I trust. And long-term relationships are like that. And I did not a super romantic person. So I don't have expectations that things need to be a certain way. I just want to. To be with someone who wants to share themselves fully who I can feel that I can share myself fully with end who doesn't have a lot of demands, and who shares values. And I love I love that yourself ever getting married. I see I don't see like a wedding ceremony in my future. And I the idea of putting like a ring on my finger makes me kind of sick. I see my futures being with this person. And I don't know that I feel it needs to be tied to the tradition that everyone has kind of subscribed to for the most recent history. But I don't know who knows something could happen. Maybe he really wants to get married in anti of actually, like, why am I being such a dick? I don't know were you accidentally have a kid? Yeah. Or that. Or like just follow my parents. Your parents have a couple of kids. What are your memories of working on smallville, and what are your like the scenes that you remember you're like, oh, my God. I really remember that scene. And that was a special moment with Michael. No, not with me. It's funny because we've talked about this a little bit in passing, but I don't I don't remember a lot from the show. It's a blurred, but I remember shooting Stephan season eight because it was the most recent season you aren't there. But the scenes that I shot with Tom, the like Lana and Clark's. Final scenes were really. I mean, they were devastating, but I had so much fun. Basically just bawling. My eyes out for eight hours. A day was such a fun sad, a scene, and then what is riding horses, gone ride horses all the time and affecting loved it. I will just bug. They would have me booking at through those fields in Langley and they'd have like a helicopter flying and catching me like just riding that horse as fast as I could not was so much fun. I loved it. And, you know, stunt stuff I always loved doing. What else what do you remember are just making you laugh? I remember being on set with you, in terms of us, but I remember always making laugh in, like you busting up or me messing lineup. And you just had that luxury that face where your lips will go like this, Leo tight. Then you do that laugh the Kirsten laugh and I remember a lot of those. I remember a lot of lot of laughing lot of laughing light. Do you remember the music in the trailer to remember the music, not a lot? I remember. Yes. What was it? Yeah. I mean you lecture BG's things. BG's things. If you it was yacht rock eighties. You know. Do you remember when John Glover I told the story with John Glover goes, Michael, who's this, I go? Oh, that's a whole announce. He goes, I think I slept with the little one back in the seventies. Yeah. Yes, I do remember that. But again, we're trailer all the time together. Although you are always getting spray painted, essentially the mouse, gong, the spray my head to, you know, that's the biggest thing that the thing that pisses me off the most is, when people say, did you shave your head for that show? We'll go fucking kidding me. Of course. I did. Two hours day half hour after everybody left to take it off the right. You laughed a lot, especially as the year slim by in everything got more and more casual a fewer people were watching the show the network didn't care as much. We just did our own thing. I remember you know, I would have honestly if somebody if this was a Vegas bet. And they said, we'll Kristen act, f for smallville I wasn't sure you loved it enough. Whereas like you know, she's probably gonna go on and be a teacher. She's going to go on and do something abroad. Helping people just fell philanthropic, if you will. And so when I heard, oh, she's on this show, beauty and the beast. Now she's a star of and she's now doing her own show that she's producing burden of truth. And I'm like, wow, she's really has acting something that you've slowly kind of phone in love with or is it something? You like you know what? I'm going to do it while the strike while the iron taught kind of thing, okay? I'm gonna go back in time I to answer this question. So when I was a younger person, so in, in high school my family, they're wonderful, but they're not a very emotionally expressive family. So it's not a family where I felt safe or open to just like feel feelings. So I turned to acting to express emotions, and that's why I loved it that in the psychology aspect of it. And so when I when I started working, professionally, I also wasn't sure that I would keep doing it because I didn't find this ad is fine as I did. When I was doing it, you know, on stage or for fun or whatever. So smallville and allotted my, my acting choices were around feeling like I would never work again. You know, like I took these jobs and it worked out for me and it was crazy. And I was like, wow, this is amazing. I can't say no to this. And then when smallville ended when I when I left, I had to make more conscious decisions, and I didn't have any other skill sets. So when did I finish Slava I was probably twenty five twenty six broken Tim to those ten maybe nine yeah. So, so I just didn't know I didn't know how to do anything else, and it was the easiest path for me to keep doing it that being said at this point in time. I know we talk about this whenever retorted I am trying to phase out acting but I love storytelling. And I think that storytelling is a powerful medium, and I think that we can do a lot of good with it. Even if it's entertainment, I think. People need that in their lives, they live hard, lice and being able to go home and smile is the best thing in the world or cry cathartic. Whatever it may be. But additionally, I think that we can bring to light certain issues or help people feel empathy for groups that they went feel empathy. For normally, we can represent people more deeply. And I think that helps is in, in a field where I actually have some skill and everywhere else. I have no skill which is, you know, in part is why went back to school. Right. You just got another degree or just now. I am working on my degree working take me forever. We'll how long well it depends if I keep working. I think it'll 'em about halfway through at got, like forty something credits at any to get forty something more grim degree. I'm getting my bachelor's degree because I went to university on a small l. Yeah. So I'm I'm working my bachelor's degree in arts history specifically. So my classes are kind of split them pretty evenly between history classes and psychology classes, and then you know some other stuff here in there. But yet we love all my God. I love it so much. It's like when it might favorite things to the people still go. Hey, you're my cloths. You're the girl from smallville or Byun Abe's. Remember, these people are very youthful. They're all your healthy. Their kids don't know. They are way too young from other, you'd never have college kids hit on you. And now I don't go to class item on my computer. I wouldn't go into class. That'd be so cool. This is is this a lot easier than you thought it would be a youth. I know idea what we've spoken about over the span of this interview. And I hope that you have something interesting putting on up. It's been a great. This has been great. You kidding me? You really don't know. It's weird 'cause I know you. So we're kind of just talking rehashing some things. But, you know, just saying it's easy, right? It's easy. Yes. Michael, it sees. But you I was nervous because not because if she I really was excited to have you. But to Skype this, right. You are the technical. Oh my God. And I'm like. Video really helped doesn't. Yeah, this guy is working really well for us today, too, because I sometimes hate Skype our Skype because it cuts out constantly, but that we've had a pretty great connection this time in pretty cool. So what else you know, the acting thing, but what would other things 'cause you're always doing something like I said philanthropic, but you're always, I know you always when we were younger we used to work with young girls. And yeah I right now. So because of the show that I work on. Our latest kind of focus in our last season of the show was impart. Some indigenous issues. I suppose I feel weird using that word issues. But there's a great group out of Winnipeg. They're called bear clan patrol and Winnipeg for this fearlessness listeners how to town in like a city in the middle of Canada. Mccown jets, they are very big hockey town, but they're also a city steeped in history and Canadian history and also the site of a lot of poverty, and particularly with indigenous peoples in. So there's this great amazing group culpa patrol and they work in the north end Winnipeg which is kind of the, it's a little bit more run down area of the city, and so we featured them on our show, but we also all went out and went on patrol with them in what they do is their community based group that cleans up needles talks to the Lok. Population ensures that people get Lino food to eat, and a group of supporters so they aren't really related to the police, the communicate with the police in they're not about policing. They are about love and kindness, in having people that you can go to if you're in trouble. So they monitor everybody down there and they're pretty wonderful. Yeah. I think it's really important in the group is really like woven into our series. So I'm really I'm proud of that to wrap this up because it's been a great time. And I've been I love talking to you. And whenever we're together it seems like it was yesterday. I think you even said that, like, you know, we see each other. It's like we didn't miss a beat. And I think that's indicative of like great times and appreciate each other in knowing each other, and sort of like even we don't know each other. We don't hang out with each other law. But when we hang out, I really, I've always enjoyed you accept us for a few years, when we were weird. But no, I mean look. Yes, I just I've always appreciated, you. When people say, you know what was that girl like am? I she was really freaking cool. And she was easy to get along with. And she always knew her lines. I don't remember you never know you always New York was pretty professional. I hope so. Yeah. I think that I did I didn't have a ton of work to do. I feel like I should have known my lines. It wasn't like I was number one on the call shooting had massive amounts of exposition the truth, by the way, did you, did you watch the show? I watched. Yeah. I watched a bunch of the show, mostly to critique myself in feel like a horrible, horrible actor, so that I could inspire myself to become better. You really thought you were bad. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I'm still very critical of myself, but now it doesn't it doesn't feel as terrible as it once did, what's called Bruin. Yeah. Mature little. So, like, I just think I have a limit to Mike passively ends. I'm pretty much okay with that. But you know what? That's the biggest part of it for me is just being okay. With, like, I think you're just you're okay with who you are. Yeah. Maybe that's just getting older. You still stress. Obviously, you still get a little anxious you still worry about things. I strive always to be better end. The kind of person who has an interaction goes away runs over everything that I said, I just don't feel like it gets to the point that I feel crippled, but yet or I go to work, and I do a scene. I'm like wool. That didn't go as well as I'd hoped. But at this point, I know that will be another day in that. It's not worth destroying myself over. I mean that's pretty important. You and I are going to be in Boston together. Now we're going to be in Toronto been drawn. So I'll see you at the I'm going to see you in August. Yes. You are Tom, Kristen and I- signing autographs, and we're rarely together. This is like the third convention. We're doing we don't do many Christians, you know, it's everybody's got their schedules. What rob do podcasts from Toronto with the three of you. Oh, do you wanna come? Maybe I love Toronto. But this has been a lot of fun that you were the first Skype call. I Skype didn't. And it sounds pretty good. Now you've opened up a whole new world for yourself. I don't ever have to leave my house. Now your help for it anyway. I barely leave. My house court in your house. We requirements but I'm just saying no. Brent burns house by the James guns house. We were thinking of going to Vancouver too. When? What's your favorite show on television and your favorite movie night, favorite TV show right now is better things needle up seeing that you've seen? The one on FX. Yes, I feel like it's just wonderful. And I always say my favorite movie of all time, I suppose, is the Princess bride because I love it, and I can watch it over L for against group. Additionally, I grew up with, like no merb'ys. So don't have like a real experience of still which favorite line from Princess bride. That's too hard. Michael, I can't a month oil. Yes. I mean that's not there are many classics. At least you know that one you've seen the movie this has been so fun. I hate like saying goodbye to Kristen. She's such a first one is I, I want to meet the man sometime. I want meet the boyfriend. You can't wonderful you'd like him. How about Toronto? Maybe bring him to Toronto. Oh, yeah. He'll probably. Almost he's he's there as long as he's in Toronto. He'll he'll come by Kristen. Thank you for allowing me to be inside of you today. It's been a real treat. Yes. Thank you. Michael. Thanks for being a part of this. And I love you ready to just wanted to hear that. So it wasn't that nice of him. To let me to rob. By kristen. Bye.

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Episode 176: IOU For Patriotism

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Episode 176: IOU For Patriotism

"That's what's going on everyone. Welcome back to another episode of making podcast great. Again, I am your text of guy and we are here of course, with the president of the United States of Mara Lago mr. Donald gloating J. Trump Mister president, happy Fourth of July. How are you? Well, it's okay after a bad start. It's actually the 5th of July right now but you wish people, I didn't speak to you yesterday so long. I push push voters that I guess that's my fault. Happy belated July, 4th house that I don't accept true Patriots. Don't accept age ISM. An IOU for patriotism. Well, how was your July 4th? I was great. Mike Pence was actually came over and he said, sir, can I watch the Nathan's hotdog eating contest? And I said, have added Mike? And then I walked in and I walked in and it was certainly not the Nathan's hotdog eating contest that he was watching or some other sort of you know, pork products being consumed, but didn't I didn't see Great American, Joey Chestnut anywhere, I saw Not Dead. And CGI chestnuts, Mike Pence. He's a sneaky one, that's why. I mean there is a try to you gotta give to Joey Chestnut. I mean no one can touch this guy. I once we took that Kobayashi Kobayashi and that's and that's what we want to do. The Republican party if we can stop the radical left Democrat, Kobayashi, you know, in the in the kobayashi's office voting and we, when are we going to have a competition will get many strong votes in the wind? The Democrats, though, they probably want Kobayashi to come in and take back the hotdogs and we won't let them but is it seemed very Democratic not letting people vote. Well, you were just supporting Joey Chestnut. So I thought you'd be supportive of my voting idea. It's it's about no voter fraud. We don't want voter fraud, but if you look like somebody who would do voter fraud, we also don't like about him. I just find it crazy that in all of our country are actually, all the world knowing can eat. Hot dogs like this man in the past. Where does he? He's wonderful last like, ten years, at least, right? At least. But, I mean, you know, if I was just doing it, I think you would agree, I would beat him a lot worse. You think, if you practice, you can be a hot dog eating champion. Well, I can tell you this right now. Before we were married mesothelioma. I think she, I mean, she took down had to be 105 in an hour. And let's, and by the way, I imagine Rodger Stones wife Nathan's contest. She need all that dogs and then go aged. Chestnuts, cock. I mean, talk about that's cutting, that's cutting him. Sort of how incredible with that pays. She's she's like, okay, well I'm done with you know, 800 Nathan's or found what? What I'm incredible show of move, that would be well. Joey Chestnut still trying this stuff, you know seventy-one sir. And and you know Rodger Stones wife is like a hundred in a matter of that dog. When you go and she just goes for Joey, chestnut's cock right in the middle of the contest. I mean game over right? Like how do you she's beaten you. And now she's she's looking for or other products to putting them out because she's so bored because she dominated so strongly. We love Rodger, Stones wife, she's a classy lady. Very great Patriot that would definitely throw you if you were trying to eat hot dogs and your competitor finished. All of them then went after your own hotdog. No, no, no Rodger. Stones wife, when we've gone to baseball games she's she's such a she showed true to who she is dead and I most people get mustard. Some people get ketchup on hotdogs, right. She says, just put a gap of man, a glop, a mayonnaise on one end is called the Rodger Stone. Ice skating technique. Did you do anything special for July? 4th. Did you see the fireworks? Said you have a nice date with your wife? Did you see your children? Did you do something in anything patriotic? Of course, we did patriotic. I mean, it's just this is what the tech stuff guys assure. You the most patriotic president we've ever had. If you do anything patriotic, say yes, we did very strong patriotism. I I watched Rocky 4, okay? Only up to the part where the Russian kills the Black Canary patriotic. And then while I was living in America, and then it was like, well, actually technically a dying in America, and then melatonin wage, you know, and make a read the Constitution, every fourth of July. Cuz it's just, I mean the, excuse me, excuse me, the Declaration of Independence cuz it's just so funny to see her struggle with the words and try to like read English wage and for lunch, we had, you know, at dogs and burgers and Great Patriotic foods like that. And Ivanka comes in with Spock was wearing an American flag bikini and American flag heels. And she serves me before food which is nice, you know, it's like it's Isn't it nice to see children, still respecting their parents. Don't get out of that from the left and I just Hunter, Biden wasn't at the Fourth of July is probably, you know, doing cocaine with some immigrant to celebrate. America wage was done Junior at the celebration with, with the gargoyle engineer was He was with gargoyle but they were, they were not in our celebration now. I'm surprised there was no Rally or anything yesterday. Oh, you had a strong rally on the 3rd in Florida. Are firecrackers, you know, very legal. Let's just say that the extra legal in Florida You know. Well, you know, I've I don't like to do this but we're talking about the 4th of July, as, you know, the great Fred Trump and I had great traditions and I normally would like to do this. I like to save it for the bonus at a great Patron. You know, especially this month of all months, patreon Patriots, we call them. I would, I would not want to disrespect their podcast patriotism, a six-month romance, but a great Fred Trump. We had various patriotic traditions and I know on Fourth of July would sometimes we take firecrackers and go to homeless people and offer them $20. If I would like the firecracker wrong way in, you know, light it up, while it's in them and you'd be surprised, you know, you have a job at an office unless people are willing to do anything, anything they can to get $20. I blame Biden for all the blown up bootie heels. A great friend, Trump tradition as you gloat I mean I don't think there's such a thing as an on-off, a tribe, trumpet tradition. I think they're all great Traditions from the grade Fred Trump. And we're working actually on a on a strong book that we're going to publish with all of them. That would be excellent. Now, I'm glad you had a nice July 4th with your family. I wanted to ask you about your family, you said, Advanta served, you hotdogs and hamburgers and Melania was there and then, you know, it's so fun. I get to also feed Ivanka, hot dogs, you know, we did, and it's almost European the way we do it. So I don't like to do it too much, but it's crashes. very talented, lovely sexy, young woman, and I say that as a father No, I wanted to ask you about a a new book coming out and this book is, you know, I'm very, I'm very anti book, I know. So right off that, I don't, I don't like it. Michael Wolfe book. I mean this guy and he's like so many in the media. He made his lot as big book of lies that sold very well and he made another one of Lies which didn't seem as well and now you spell Daenerys. Like I'm so desperate. I'll just say anything about drunk. Just to my my probably is editor is like your yours, one more book, Michael Smith and I remember Michael lifted, the was very nasty at the breast dinner. You know, the redheaded comedians. Very nasty. That's that's Michelle wolf pack, two different color. You got my boss. I'm hungry like a wolf then you talk about wolves and how you didn't like them. When you were talking about Michelle wolf, one time I'm very strong. I can kick the crap out of a little but and I just, I don't really trust anybody with the last name of an animal. Is that a, is that a great Fred Trump rule? Or is that a, that's a great that's a greater Donald Trump rule. You know, like when somebody's name cats, I say, nope. Can't trust them. Especially not in the month of July. So, it's July and June are to trust people. I've always said that the Jewish people are probably the best negotiators we've ever had another 12 months name directly after them June and July, it's incredible. In his book, he alleges that when you eat in your restaurant in, in Mar-A-Lago, right? Great restaurant. Great, excuse me. Great Christian today. Very top tier Chef, maybe even The toppest, is it, is it a Michelin star Chef Goodyear, Scott Goodyear Stars, you have a good year started shop. That's delicious. Yeah, I walks and he's a big puffy white guy and he walks in and he's like, you go as you get here Stars still by juice Goodyear Stars that's that. Is that is a top. Could you show have for sure? Now at your restaurant, this is alleged that you've dinner in this section. That's basically the middle of the restaurant that is roped off and a tables roped off from everyone and you and Melania eat their kind of looking down on all your diners. Yes what great reporting Michael Wolfe, you gotta scoop that. Yes that's totally accurate. Why is that necessary first offer security? That's only because of a great and thirdly when Melania strips mid-meal you don't want people grabbing at her text. Have you ever been to a fancy restaurant Tech stuff I guess I guess I guess I guess. But who takes their clothes off at a fancy restaurant? Mesothelioma Trump that ceremony apparently. Now once you know, when before dessert comes on the White Snake starts playing and then she, you know, takes off a club and dances around me and everybody watches in a Bloods and some people even tip. So it's a, I don't know. I can't believe you're asking me the questions. It's called security. It's called a message that everybody and it's called powerful, stripping security. I wasn't really shocked when I read it. I just wanted to confirm that. It was true. Okay, well it's confirmed. I consider yourself confirmed. Now you're a Catholic. Second piece of news. I wanted to talk to you about is your ex lawyer? Rudy Giuliani. Oh, I think you say that he shoots out of his name. Is that guy who were, you know, who I'm talking about. I remember there was some guy, he was so bad, I had liquid poop, I don't, I don't remember the name. I don't think I had I don't think I had many dealings with this so-called person. Well, this is another allegedly, allegedly you cut off Rudy Giuliani. When he wanted to be paid for his failed election cases. He represented you throughout thousand election process to try to overturn the election in Washington, of course, and he failed. And you are not paying him for that, because that's when the election, you know, I'm not going to pay a lawyer. You know? Why would, why would I pay a lawyer? It's like, sir, I'm going to prove that you are President, sir. And I said, what about how you are? Judy, liliani, I don't need you, I don't need to pay you, you know. Are you going to charge me? Like, you know, the sun is hat off and then I have to pay you for that. It's, I am the President. So, yeah, I wouldn't pay. Whoever the hell? This is you're talking about Because he failed it. It shouldn't matter. He I have a line. I have a lawyer named Sidney. Powell was a tremendous legal Thailand. Are you paying her? Oh Sidney. Powell were working more on a wait-and-see approach with payment. Can you explain what a wait-and-see approach is? I went to see what the results that they of their work and then, They wait to see if I pay them that makes sense. And I'm surprised you never heard of, like, all these things. You never heard of a wait-and-see agreement. It's like, what caves are you coming out of Now. I don't know about you but if I work for someone even if I don't, if I'm working on an election, the person doesn't win, or I'm working on a court case and the person, when you still put in your time, you should be compensated for your time. You don't agree with that. Oh, no, that's very, very smart Tech stuff. Very strong point. I've never worked for anybody could ever imagine what they call the boss. So, I don't know what the, you know, all these little details of what employees want, I know as a boss. It's my job to do strong work and to pay as little as possible. That's how my company maintains a strong, a very strong strengths. So it's the wait and see approach to things that makes you so successful. I mean one of my yeah thank you. A good saved XM. Yes one of the many other said, one of the many things I'm going to try that. I don't know if it will work out for me. I don't know. I probably won't work for you but it works very strongly for me. You are strong, Mister president, you are strong. And I think we've been over that as with his over this with another tech. Say it's actually I'm very true. Yes. You are very strong and are sponsored this week is off. Also just distraught, not very strong, but they're strong and that's been online. Been online is the fastest, and easiest way to bet on all your Sports Action, I know the president you use this for your bet I use it, you can bet on golf UFC we have the NBA finals coming up. We have the NHL finals, Stanley Cup finals right now. 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And no, we're not worried at all. You know, we have the limit have a floaties, you know, floaties. They put on kids that we have those ready. If the floodgates opened I don't think they're meaning like literal water. I think they mean, as the floodgates, meaning that they're going to be multiple indictments for you and family members. So I've been in fact, excuse me, I've been engaged twice. I was impeached. Nobody's ever been impeached, twice. I'm ready for anything. They have, I have great lawyers, great legal Thailand, and it's, a total hoax and they gotta lose. Again, they proposing, they don't have anything and nothing and they're going to continue to have nothing except radical left-wing witch hunts and it's a Witch Hunt. But you know, if something were to happen, then perhaps I would run for president and they couldn't charge me. Speaking of which hunts you say that they try to get you, they try to get you to try to get you and they don't succeed. And the same thing happened with Bill Cosby comedian. One of the great, excuse me, excuse me. Arguably, one of the greatest African Americans really bad month. Now he was just released what are what are your thoughts on Bill Cosby being released after all the evidence came out and so many women came forward. You know what? You know what she looks like, right? The woman, he was with Yes, I know who you're talking about. I forgot her name. Andrea, Constantinople. Yes, she looks like Steven Tyler. You're right. And you know what? You have a great impression of Steven. And when you know, and I know it was when they announced that she was out in front of the courtroom and they said, Bill Cosby has been left free and she went off. And then Bill Cosby came out and went and I was like wow this is like a great baby seventy seventies and eighties recap that we should have a festival every summer festivals. Dude. Looks Like A Lady Constance and dude is you know, doing strong things to women Cosby. So do you think Bill Cosby is innocent I think he's like Britney Spears. He's not that Innocent, but he's also not maybe the most guilty. Okay. We'll wait and see. All right, I like that definite answer. Now, I have another comment from and right now, we don't know. I wanted to before we get to watch the first episode of every single month, we have listeners sending questions and the questions blew up this week. We have so many from Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter and gray box social media engagement. It is, it is great engagement and are there any twenty-three year olds with large breasts and no, surviving family members who would like to have an agent to possibly be mrs. Trump number for, please get in my DM's. Well, I encourage everyone to send in questions on the first episode. Month and also have you noticed how stupid the left is and Twitter? They haven't canceled drum pad. I know such stupid. So dumb. I encourage everyone to sign up for the patreon patreon.com bonus material, special guests extra episodes. Every single month I am really looking forward to hopefully, Michael in Del comes on again this month, maybe four or monthly bonus, I don't know. But he was a, there was a great guest and he surprisingly very entertaining to I liked what he had to say. I don't know, like me not as good as long as he's a very powerful brand. You know, that's what you get. He's a smart business guy. He supports his country and his president, and he also smoked crack. And that's like an incredible combination to be sort of, I mean, if I could never do this, but if they took this podcast away from it, so then I would do the radical left, wouldn't do that. But even then, at that stupid, All of that stupid. Very stupid. In fact, but not that stupid. I think Mike window adding Don Jr. Mitch Mitch has been asking to get on the show and I told him get back to you, you Turtle, but I think remember, we put up a vote and Mike Lindell one. We asked who the audience would want to host and they showed. And that's because we are very patriotic was home or in sync with their gray podcast leader as well as Auto bk9 leader of the patron Patriots. You know what, surprising Michael Lindberg I think was on one of these networks Newsmax, r o a n or one of these and he was Basically making things up where they had to mute him. His mic on one of these networks, which I found very impressive, cuz they don't mute anyone on those networks, I am proud of him. I am and I hear a baby and I have to tell, in case there any people out there, it's not mine, I did not paternity. Yes, it's, it's my baby. That's that's all crying in the background. My, my apologies. She's probably upset about hearing, my Glendale getting getting muted. She's very Pro, free speech. I think so. I think that's why she's she's showing her strong Free Speech. Right now, we love that we love seeing we call them. Little mango Warriors for speech. Maga Warriors for speech is a Little Neck. Little Mega you know she's message l y l like like rapper Little or is it little spelled out like little. So I'm going to page on prompt that I'm going to eliminate the TV out of words know. So little No. We have lots of questions here and I'd like to ask you this question. I think you might have answered this before but I don't know. You didn't go into great detail. This comes from DJ McConnell and says it's from Facebook. These questions Mister president, sir, strong Perfect 10 person that away. Yes you've mentioned that the great Fred Trump called you sir. Did you remember the moment when he saw the tremendous talent for the first time and started calling you sir, do you remember that day that he started calling you sir? I have an answer that question. That's a great question. I do remember. I was. I was still in the womb, Baba. Okay. I was just going to. Well, then why are they put a B on it? Okay? Be letters matter and thought I was in the room, and my mother was getting a, you know, where they put the, on the stomach and then rub this to stick on it. The vibrator sonogram, right? Thank God. And they were doing the, sonogram and I've had the great Fred Trump was actually having an affair with the nurse who was doing the sonogram and he forgot that, you know, he's great. He can forget very busy, any forgot that this was the appointment for his wife. Sorry showed up and was like oh you know I thought this was when I was going to have sex with the nurse turns out your name. Sorry and he looked at the sonogram and it was like six months, okay. And he looked at it and I turned you don't see this. A lot in sonograms but I actually turned and you could see me in a sonogram, moving very powerful body and I just kind of looked at him. and he looked and was moved by the power and said, Hello, sir. And from that moment, he called me sir. From from that. So being in the woomba he's called you sir. Well, yeah, it sounds like you're about to say something very powerfully non-profit life, but I was a person. I was a big successful 6-month. Persian and they put that at that cold hospital, my mother's stomach and ran the wand over it. And all of a sudden I said hello I talked I talked I said it was a record. Nobody never said any words before from the one bar and I write Fred. Trump said, so, and from that day on, he had the most powerful respect for me and I appreciated it. This question from from Alex, get on Facebook, dr. Mister president, Sarah Esquire Idol, the dog was alleged patreon president and suddenly the fake news has a fireworks theme. That holiday which dogs are known to hate. Is this another deep State plot to try to intimidate? Our presidents wage should not a great question but I can assure you only radical left dogs. Get scared by patriotic fireworks on the radical left. Conservative dogs in Florida when their owners a done humping them for for snuff films. They have no problem with with fireworks, okay? Very strong, bestiality dogs and on the right, who don't trust me when you should see some of my supporters, the Mountain Dew Army in Florida. I mean what kind of dog is going to Fear Factor when you know Jethro a three teeth and five guns was just you know plowing you cuz he's lonely cuz it's tender accounts doing poorly. So now right? Right wing. Dogs down Fair stupid fireworks, radical left dogs. They run from the patriotism. Understood. Another July. 4th question, this is from Christina Adele Downey, and another Facebook, dr. Mister president, sir, Esquire. What do you think of the many celebrities took part in the July Fourth festivities this year? I don't remember as many A-list actors musicians and public figures taking part in your events. Even when you promise to fall out the missiles drones and Sherman tanks in a very strong patriotic parade. What is the difference between patriotism and propaganda in your view? Thank you. That's not even, I don't know what kind of question is. It's like a story file, additional question. That doesn't fit, is what I heard from that. I heard a very strong and so towards my great, a list friends. I happened to watch the TV by accident last night for about three hours, long and Cold by an American Cannot even American. We defeated England, and they're bringing English bands to do Fourth of July. But the bath, when we have Holocaust Remembrance Day, do we bring in German bands? The answer is no text. No, I'm telling you now I shook my head. No. And then we have great people, very strong talent and I see perhaps Billy Ray Cyrus, father of the years daughter is a total total disgraced. He's walking around probably with his gay, cowboy rap friend, and oh, that's a list achy, breaky heart was about five hundred years ago, something like that. So, I don't know what kind of a was talking about the Jonas, Brothers, I think they like, they were like evangelicals. They probably love Trump, and Now so I don't even know what that show. It was. What's the difference between patriotism and propaganda? Yeah, that's the question question. That was a great criticism. Is when you love your country and support Trump, and propaganda is, when you put a bunch of bullshit on screen, perfect answer. We're going to go to some Twitter questions now. And this comes from at a n Pagnotta, Mister president, sir. And this is about golf. Why do you need a golf club and Academy? I've seen where the caddy rides on the back of the golf cart. What's going on there? Doesn't the caddy. The county doesn't ride inside with you. Does he Mister president usually rides in the back or walks, right? Or we do have we have a Caddy's section of golf carts which is always off back and but usually I don't even let them use that. I just say walk and I'll see you. And I say to the million, you know, if it's an African American and tell you you're pretty fast, I assume so run, run to the next hole. All right, so you just keeping them in shape? Tiring them out so that they can't attack us at the end of the gulf day understandable. This next question comes from the Dead. Kennedys, we don't, we, we let them ride on the, that's nice of you golf cart. It's comes from Layla. Bobby are nineteen forty-seven, Mister, president, Sarah, king of all presidents. Would you consider dying your hair black with a black mustache? I know you're extremely handsome, but you might be even more irresistible with the black hair and mustache. Thank you. Your highness sir. I think she's trying to maybe make you look like Michael and L A little bit, you know, my calendar. We don't want to step on, you know, I could easily take all his women but we don't want to do that. We don't want to Thursday. Oh, Michael. And now he's, he's caught, you know, for our bread Patriots. He's going to be stashed and brown dark hair Market but no, I know. I could look even more dead. I could I could God forbid, I could be a redheaded MB at 10, so I could easily do it, but I prefer my very natural golden are, you know, it's very odd. Pure some would say and we went, we went to maintain the Purity. That's why you notice, you notice that Ivanka has the Purity, but I am very dirty. That actually leads me to this next question. That's from Rob at Rob shuttleworth, Mister president Sarah. You said that if you Ivanka wasn't your daughter, you probably be dating her if that was the case, what would the date? Be like, where would you go? And what would you do? Well, the last part, obviously, first we would have sex without condoms. Obviously, I think you know, we all know that if if she wasn't my daughter obviously off and we have to say that cuz people take it out of context, the date would probably be, you know, I would obviously want to impress her if she you know, she would obviously know who I am. But we would we would we would come up in the Trump limousine and pick her up and she would walk out of the building. I would actually get out of the car and opened the doors or check out the, you know, check out the legs. Check out what she's working with. And then we would have a strong make out session in the back of the limo. And then we would go to the bounce drive-through, and I would say, get whatever you want, no limit. and then, you know, we would probably twenty one of my properties while eating McDonald's. And then about I mean by then it's about 25 minutes. I'd be time to you know would you like to see my trip? Lex apartment right now, miss Ivanka wage. And she would say why yes, I do. And I would say well that's great. And then we would do one of those, you know, like in the eighties movies, we'd have like a powerful make-out session in the elevator as we go up. Remember, Love In An Elevator. By Andrea constant. Yes, I do. And we would probably make. I wouldn't say make love in the elevator. We would make them in the elevator and we, we get to Metroplex apartment. And, you know, she would probably say to me, make sure I refuse to let you wear a condom. And I would say, And emotional as of course, I would never do this as her father and I would say, are you sure? Because, of course, I always go for powerful consumer and she would say, don't ask me that question anymore. No condoms, or I'm leaving. And then we would make powerful of on on my boss and rug made out of golden retriever puppies. Very interesting, you know, that's the first state obviously, you know, things could kind of get intense and passionate from there as we get to know each other a little more. I'm going to go to our Instagram listeners and some great questions here from Instagram. This comes from at Turrell in home under I believe it. I believe a perfect end. Yes, doctor President, Trump's or Esquire, PhD. You hear the respect. That's how you know, you hear that. Respect for that. Perfect. Can you give us your thoughts on the powerful patriotic in quotes? Reclaim America protest made by a tremendous right-wing nationalist group in Philadelphia. Thank you, sir. you know, I'm I haven't heard too much about them to be honest, but obviously, Takes a lot of guts to go into a radical left African American city, just run over run with crime and disgraceful people. It takes a lot of guts in there to Proclaim your life and, and try to take it back. So, I think they sound like, right people. I, I'm I'm trying to excuse me. I'm trying to be honest, but I don't not so familiar with them. They sound like they're doing great things and I assume that probably also very anti pedophilia. So we like that too. It's a very strong thing to me with, of course, the option of Jeff Epstein and but if Jeffrey Epstein ask you, that would be a huge reveal. I'm starting to think it's, it's good old Jeffy, but I'm not familiar with it. I haven't read too much on it yet, but they sound like wonderful people. Doing a very strong work, you know, because it's one thing to be in Texas, Florida in a strong. Trump State, proclaiming patriotism. But these radical, if people hate it, when you show up, you know, with God, you know, when they show up off of the urban cities with guns and white men and racial slurs and all of a sudden, they don't like it and it's very unpatriotic towards those people. So we support them. Mister president I have two more questions from Instagram. This comes from Aaron. K, green, Sarah, great sir. If it came down to it would you cooperate with the New York district attorney for a part in exchange for incriminating Ivanka? You know, that's one of those really disgusting questions thought we shouldn't even answer what you do is. When you're a great Trump dealmaker, it's called Bill making, they say to me, sir, even the prosecutors, just to make sure it's a sir. I want you to turn on Ivanka and I would say, well, I'm very turned on by evanka and I say that as a father I said, I was sorry. We want you to tell us until on Iraq in exchange for a lighter sentence. So then I would go to Iraq and say, Ivanka, Darlin, they want me to turn on the want me to Say things about yesterday, I'm go to jail. Are you willing to allow me to do that? And she might say yes, she might say no. But if she said no, I'd say and what are you willing to do to me to make me, not do that? I got you and I just keep getting the offers from the different, you know, the different. Now I go back to the prosecutor and say, okay, prosecutor, you drive a hard bargain, but I just got A solid strong. Let's just got oral support from your bank. So what are you willing to do now? Because right now, I'm not willing to testify then maybe one of the prosecutors in a great Fred. Trump tradition brings in their life and says what she's willing to do but stuff if you turn on Ivanka. So than I do the bad stuff and I go back to Iraq. I say darland the prosecutors wife did, but stuff and I'm starting to think I might turn you in. And then she'd say no Daddy. Remember how may like to have my heart friends when I was in ninth grade and I said, yes, darling. She says well, they're both here with me now and we're all grown, and we'd like to show you appreciation, sir. And I'd say, well, let's see how much appreciation we have, and then I'd go back to the prosecutor and then say prosecutor, you pathetic Democrat? And they'd say, yes, sir. What is it? I say, I just had a foursome. With three, tremendous women. We discussed many great things and I think at least one of them is now pregnant. What are you willing to do? I guess now, I'm not going to turn on Ivanka off, and you can see how this, with the I understand it's called deal making. It's called strong deal-making, but if that's the question was disgusting and I won't answer it. Well, this last question I had is a very excellent question and we're going to end with this question in. This comes from App. Papa Carlos, 84, Shands Latino That's probably about sexual assault, Sarah, Mister presidents or a doctor, doctor doctor, doctor doctor Esquire. Now you know know like that that I was actually one too many doctors so it's totally disrespectful. Well, it's questions. Good. Once you get reinstated I feel like the country will require a cleansing. Will you enact the country's first Purge through powerful and top executive orders? If so which two houses are you visiting and what will you do? Excellent question and on this President, well, it is an excellent question. Obviously this person. Excellent, a because we actually planned on doing a Purge Halloween 2021. So the first has that I would visit, okay? Is Ben Carson test because I want to get warmed up and he's blind. And his wife is fat and ugly and slow. So I would merge them very quickly and I would say I would say to Ben Carson, thank you for your service. This is impersonal but I want to make sure my killing skills are very short. And I would actually let him and say you're blind, but which one should I do first? You or your wife? Android's I would, but to be honest, I would have already killed his wife. Yeah. So we're sort of pretending and then I married a Ben Carson know, just just for its called, you know, for the skills because the kill that I may want is, you know. Very important. I don't want to mess up the important kill. So the important goal would be I would go to another neighborhood in Florida. And I would knock on the door. And Jared Kushner would open up and say, oh good, you're here. Sure, come on in and let's say, yes, I'm here. Don't worry. I'll protect the house with my great strength and wealth. and then, if I could show up, and, I would look at Iraq and say, I'm going to kill you, add. and then, she would say, No, I'll do it and then she would kill him and then I would kill that pussy. Is the cat that I can't stand, you know, I don't like pets in general. So I would murder the cat as well. And, you know, I would simply protective on Thursday for the rest of the evening. Mister president, I thank you for your time. Again, every single week plus bonus episodes. We really appreciate this and America loves hearing from you, especially after being shut down from social media, like to thank our sponsor bet online. And also, if you haven't already joined the patreon, a patreon wage slash mpga your Tech stuff, guys. Hitting the road. 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Rainn Wilson

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

1:14:54 hr | 2 years ago

Rainn Wilson

"You're listening to inside of you with michael rosenbaum mia is here with me or engineer slash editor mia for those of you didn't know is h trans woman right yeah i would say most of your listeners probably don't know that why would they know they now so this is the first time will tell you yeah he has a trans woman she has her engineer she used to be tyler yeah people probably heard me on the shut the for today's guest rainn wilson this guy blew me away i mean he stopped being simple and goes work in deep a you don't talk about do i eat or any of that right these like i really liked this because they're not we just got really deep i think this is really helpful to me i hope it's helpful you know you guys talked a lot about faith and having a rough childhood in a little bit about you office it wasn't really great episode i felt that way too i felt like he just really opened up and goes wow and they took a deep breath and then he would start talking about his father and his stepmother and things that would happen in the journey along the way and a when he got success he said you know is a bit of an asshole some point in my life i wait what you did it you don't you don't get that when you're talking to him right yeah he's just not at all like the characters they played on screen is just so normal in personable and yeah and blazers topped yeah he's just a really wonderful interview i think you really enjoy getting inside rain wall so it's not tone of you listening to inside of my mom's a inside of you with michael rosenbaum is not recordings in front of a live studio audience somebody made that some fan made that i thought that was from sonko i wish that would have meant this podcast is tremendously successful i mean it is a success but tremendous would mean funk komeda popped all out of music popped all is that what it's called yeah they they're just doing it white one really you gotta i gotta lex luther one but you have dwight yeah oh you wanna bring my closer yeah yeah okay craziest guess son here i mean most of makes sense but then you get like jeanie buss like what's up with you know jeanie and i became friends years ago and i don't know anything about basketball and i didn't ever go to a basketball game and she was a fan of smallville angie came up to me and start talking to me at some event and i got a cool just well if you wanna come to a game here's my card and i go cool and then i give vice president lakers now she's the president's yeah so so i you know i said hey you know you said it to a game since you have for tickets in valet i think that was early two thousands she said after the game she does mike on serious i had so much fun with jr friends you're so fun you are welcome to come to any game ever whenever you want you just sort of vents holy shoulder infringe came to my halloween bash she came to like she brought kurt rambis rans fantastic who's dressed is kurt rambis familiar eighties with the goggles and stuff i always wonder i always thought how fun it would be for meter dress as white why not in people wouldn't look envy like is that a can't possibly be the is that the do you dress up for halloween i you know i did when we went out with my son my son is fourteen now and and yeah there's several years we went one year we're on his of empire family that was really fun now that's not three of us were vampire where do you go you go around the neighborhood trick or treating with him we've gone all over you know all over were were out in a gora hills out in the suburbs a sometimes calabasas and sometimes malibu and yeah you gotta really sexy voice thank you i'm not hitting on you i'm just saying when we met at various places i will let you know i didn't notice the voice is much as i do now but it's resonating with the with the micro maybe you are you feeling the sexiness through the mike getting i'm getting a little bit yeah isn't that we're when you run amok you just it's a little different when you have a mike and then you have the cans on your head you know when you hear your voice so you like you're own voice little a late night dj i like i like my voice yeah i actually had a radio show when i was in high school and i was thinking is one of the paths of my life could have gone in is like radio dj me too i was a dj in college i had a sunday night shift from ten to two in the morning and no one listened so i'd say hey if you're the fifth caller you'll get a six subway we would pay for and no one's recalls no i would have done if you're the first caller nobody and then i said okay that subway goes out to jerry non who quences my roommate in college a so yeah but it was fun i liked there's something about being alone but being with the music and having a choice to play what you want out you're talking even audience hoping hoping some people really enjoying it yeah and a and it just felt like i thought it might become a dj i really consider that or sports announcer you could you could still do this could you be a sports announcer would you do do you do you know a lot about sports window i know a lot i know a good amount about sports i know from looking at me like knowing my life i know a lot more about sports than you would think that i would know right by rowsley nfl but also little mb so how would you commentator game if you have like just a moment or two i don't think funny people 'em should do that remember that failed dennis miller experiment with dennis miller on monday night football yeah but i it just it just didn't work i did not work i think he's a bright guy brilliant guy yeah but he loves the game and they super smart and they just didn't fit well you know what you want i think when people listen to the game or they also a baseball or football game don't you it's comfort in here's the pitch and that is a that's right it's just something that's relaxing downloads honey do season folks honey do this and honey do that vans filing in off the subway rams a beautiful day a pro bowl game and you're just like oh my gosh i just wanna sit around right and relax yeah that's a baseball thing nfl is a no i i like to watch nfl sometimes with the sound off because they just don't shut up and my wife always talked like why don't ever just stop talking like you don't you don't have to talk every square inch all the time but it's just this constant like allows guy that believes is there you know what i'm saying when he was drafted love a you know time and time again he's proved you know what i mean it's a constant is but but don't you think they're thinking oh my gosh it's five seconds since i've spoken on what's going on with they're going to go into the bathroom what do they doing it they're gonna get hurt or they just justifying their jobs like why i hear if i'm not constantly talking i think so i think they have they feel like especially joe buck on a lot of heat right no doubt about how you're gonna hate males who is that all about i don't know i i didn't follow the show up a controversy there is a big controversy them he's got so much hate news on stern and he's just got yeah those guys i think some of them like to i wonder if that's how they talk when they're at home you know like hey have you seen johnny johnny is outside in the garden jobs to bit to the right of the home pulling some daisies i mean is that a is that a they they don't talk like that they can't talk i think they have that ability they have that ability to adjust dream sentences together yeah yeah and that's part of why they're hired you you have that a blast way a podcast host yeah you know what that's scary too because my whole life has been an actor in a but now you can do things you were inaccurate before your podcast cast art is is that what they're called now cast artist i kinda like that yeah i wanna be called an artist yeah i i still love acting and all that but there's something about this but i never thought i'd like i'd there's just something about it but i feel a connection i'm able to really listen to people not that i don't listen to it my real life but it forces you to really listen some people right and get to know them in see what sort of makes them tick and see is how did they it's just interesting it's become interesting at first i thought like actor and hopefully people gonna listen to my thing and i'll just making then come out of this will be supplemental and then i just sort of go this is fun to talk to people every company her house and you have some water there's a little there's a little therapy aspect that you just nailed the biggest that's what it is for me for me it's therapy it's it's kind of like going hey hey of rains a little eft up then maybe it's okay for me i'm actually going to therapy after this podcast is that true and it's absolutely true my therapist in the valley really have you been going while i've been going for a long time i i have to in in fact i just started saying this but i'm going to a treatment center oh wow yeah knocker alcohol drugs sex or anything but for just you know just to get my mind clear and it's just like wow i yeah i just after all these women where is it which can you say 'em it's on the east coast toasty upper east coast okay that would be new england alright would be around that area one the kit harrington went to that was like a thousand dollars a day or something like that i couldn't afford that it could be in podcast money but all i'll get any role in a what is it like a meditation thing and i think it's i think it's a combination of the world's best psychiatrist and therapists in yoga teachers m cairo's end acupuncture and i went to a place like that where i went to author less coast wasn't no i went to all i'll say the name of it because it's really cool is called p c s in scottsdale and they do all kinds of intensive 's it's like you go twelve hours a day you're in group and you're in you're single and they have a lot of different people with addictions there so they have people that are getting alcohol treatment in drug treatment in sex addiction treatment and 'em and you know all kinds of different codependent stuff but then there's just people that are just digging into two issues you know and i was kind of i was kind of in that realm just kind of digging into some deeper issues like like you said like family stuff and just clearing my head stuff and heading to the bottom of of some stuff news it was really cool i'm going to a place called prevail swiss ended it is the i believe it's probably the place that went to i don't know that sounds fancy but it's you know what it is it is a is a couple of friends people have mentioned it and they're like listen i think you truly benefit from it and i figure like if you're gonna invest in the house if you're gonna invest in a material things or certain you know you're gonna spend money why not spend money on your wellbeing listen especially if you come from a fucked up family and you didn't gains in life skills like i didn't learn about how to do interpersonal relationships from my parents who are terrible at them as me to i've had to kind of like learn myself and i've got a lot of bad habits and patterns that come from childhood traumas and whatnot and why not spend one hour a week like what's the big deal is one hour week in your hunter but come on are bucks or something like that but to improve myself to learn about myself to dive deep into my emotions and trauma and background in family in current relationships in relationship to work and career and self imagine my spiritual journey in life journey so it's a it's an investment that's way more important than going to the gym yes but people will always pay the whatever money for trainers and going if there's something yeah but they won't work out their mind yeah it's like no i'm fine as long as they look good in their hearts in their souls you know i i think that's true i just listening to an interview with howard stern anderson cooper on cnn i didn't hear that we interviewed howard stern howard stern talking about psychotherapy and how it's really saved his life he talks about trauma and like all these things inside those parents were so horrible it was more like you always wanna get approval from his father his father worked in radio and he's just like oh god i worked in radio as he saw how he reacted to radio host and he's in he was sort of a namrd by them in in his well if i could do this maybe he would give me that respecter that approval but i need an and it's something that seems so like for a long time i felt like i can't do this because you know people are gonna think i'm crazy you're a mess and i'm a i'm a dog now now get over do forgive people and i go i do i forget i forget my debt i love my dad and i forget my mom she's insane in my head i forget because i know that that's the way they do it it doesn't solve it it's like sometimes my mind in my body don't connect my mind is is a somewhat fairly on the lower end of sophisticated will say dude you're in adult now this is the right thing to do you need you but my body reacts in a different way whether there it's fighter flight and the stress levels in i came to a place where i'm like i'm too stressed all the time i wake up with anxiety i'm worrying about too many things my head's claudia can compartmentalize i can't do all these things so i'm like i just i need somebody that fucking and helped me i need i need right now is the time because i wanna be the best human being in the best maybe the best actor best podcast artist whatever it is i can be so why the hell not yeah yeah that's great this guy that i've been going to now for a quite a few years down in the valley he does this gift stole therapy which is a whole lot about what i haven't read books about or anything but i know that's what it's called what he does but it's actually really interesting for actors because what he'll do is like if there's some issue like let's say there's a part of myself that's really belittling like i'm just like oh rain you fucked that up and you're such an idiot and you'll never make it in you know one respects you whatever like let's say that voices coming up and i'll talk about that in therapy and he'll say oh who's that guy sit him down in the chair across from you know have a conversation with him with that person that's in your head literally so i'll say you know like hey who are you why do you beat me up like this whether i'm doing a piss poor job of it but you know talk to him and then i'll go sit in the he'll go no go beat that guy go sit in the chair and talk to you and then i'll go sit in a humane respond response you bonding as as that voice and you're oh my god that seems so so then i'll go sit in the chair and i'll be like rainy little pussy piece of shit what the fuck are you doing you you loser you fucking believe he'll be like belittle me and then i'll go back and i'll switch switch again i'll be rain and i'll talk to this guy and be like you can't talk to me that way lovable and then after you do that like six eight times switching and then you kind of like you feel donner whatever sometimes it's emotionally cathartic sometimes it's not like you have a much greater understanding of like who is that voice in your head in what's my relationship that voice in your head so it it doesn't own you that voice doesn't own you you see it as just part of yourself but what if you're going what have you responses you're absolutely right everything you just said is exactly right and you got some serious work yeah then you say then you're being victimized by this voice in your head and you're just you're living as a victim and you you gotta do some other kind of worked to get it that and you feel like this relievers cathartic was helpful to you i've done it a dozen dozen we're the first time in front of this arizona where you're like i can't do this so self conscious you feel like such a you can also do a by writing by the way you could just do it in a journal and you can be yourself in right and then be the character and right and and then you could do that and and bring it in you do it alone cannot do it like when i'm when no one's around except my assistant any other owner mike michael you're such a fucking idiot and then no you're not why don't we do it right now michael what do you afraid of oh my god i i don't think i could do it it's it's hard but here's the deal you get to a certain point where like i'm so fucking tired of these voices in my head owning me like you'll just do it you're just be like fuck it i'm just gonna fucking do it yeah i'm gonna look like an idiot i'm gonna feel so self conscious you get a greater peace and understanding of yourself on the other side you're like okay this is humiliating and weird and uncomfortable but i'm just gonna do it because i know that what's on the other side is a greater tranquility and wisdom wow that is profound and i haven't heard that before that sort of there but maybe that's what i'll be doing at this place and i feel like i have a lot of you know i had surgery and stuff and i have this pain and things i'm wondering how much could be emotional did you ever have any kind of pain is you ever deal with any pain i i haven't dealt with that no i feel bad i know you've had being here i've heard you had these surgeries in that you've you've been through some some shit but you know i'm still able to do like you'll look great but anyway you look like you're chipper you're sharp you're you're handsomer than ever and a thank you yeah switch seats of me now you have great teeth by the way by the way these are these are knocked out kinda from hockey's injury so i got these we're not spending their fossey's well just these top ones but on my manager once dave becky who represented a lot of the big guys i know you know damn this is back in the day when he represented like mark marin i think he's still does what but this early on new york only actor and there's like five out of five big comedians end i remember he said to me because i was on the show is like i had these like fangs 'cause i got punched in the face and so these two middle ones were in the fangs they're kind of adam said a i want you to picture teeth and i go what he's like i just think you're gonna get bigger roles annual it'll help you i think you're a character actor right now and you could still do that but i think if you want some weed roles and you wanna be considered is this i think you should get on fixed and i got a retainer and straighten my teeth out yeah and i booked elite part like within six months look at that and so that was actually good advice you know where i don't even know where that story came from what i said no i have no idea was we were talking about my teeth but that's why they look good and no no no i got my i got my teeth fixed to disney oughta mile they're great they're good team there's there 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