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A Conversation With a Police Union Leader

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A Conversation With a Police Union Leader

"Blue, hey there? Are you. Good Good I. I'm Michael Barbaro. Are you doing vince champion? Mr Champion Nice to meet you. Three through. Sounds like you've been having pretty long days, so we appreciate you. It's been. It's been interesting to say the least. Can you. Start by telling me what you do. I am the southeast regional director for the International Brotherhood of police officers up. Basically I'm the director for the Got And for those who don't know the International Brotherhood of police officers. This is a major police union in the US. Yes are we are national? Union and we are all over the US. But all around. We're probably just. The officers alone were at about fifteen thousand. You know I want to ask you as a union head about what appears to be a growing consensus that in this discussion and this debate about changing policing. That Union. have been a barrier that they have created. Systems and you get with us, but let me just get through it. The perception is the unions have created systems that protect police officers. At times even the most problematic officers by making it challenging to see complaints against those officers enviro wrecking significant barriers to firing them. Do you think that that's fair? To a certain extent, yeah! You think so. From New York Times I'm Michael Barr. This is daily. Today. In the weeks since George, Floyd was killed by former Minneapolis police officer Derek Sheldon Americans have been confronting hard questions about bias and racism within policing. And what the rule of the police should be. And in the face of those questions is another question. Is the culture of policing and the resistance to change by some police unions, so entrenched that whatever change is necessary, would require fundamental rethinking from the outside, rather than incremental change from within police departments and their unions. In that context, we wanted to talk to someone who sits at the heart obese questions. Vince champion is a police union representative in Atlanta Georgia. Georgia is a right to work. State where police officers aren't required to join the Union or pay dues, so the unions don't hold the same power to block reforms as they do in many states. And Champion has supported some of the reforms that unions have been criticized for resisting in the past. Including banning calls the use of body cams and transparency around policy officers records. And like many law enforcement officials, champion has forcefully condemned officer shopping. But when it comes to another high profile, police killing in his own city, the killing of Race Chard Brooks just weeks after floyd staff. Champions views are more complicated. It's Monday. June twenty-ninth. Vince I. Want to talk about the protests that have been happening all over the country and I'm curious what you think as a union leader when you have seen these vast crowds in two thousand US cities towns, protesting the death of Ray Sharp Brooks George, Floyd. We oughta Taylor among many others. What did you see when you watch those? People that have a message that. They believe. That, it's DEMOC racism in the police departments, and they believe that because of the color of their skin. They're treated a certain way. They're afraid because of the color of their skin, their children may go out and not come on. That is what I heard. In one of the biggest things that I took out of all the videos that I watched, and everything was the word on a de-escalation that officers need to learn how to deescalate. Valid points. But I guess to answer your question. I think I heard what the protesters were saying I. Don't disagree with the protesters. I want everybody to be able to say. You to. Be Able to tell their kid when we're not there to protect you. That man uniform is go to him. And, if the end of the day, that's what we need to get, too. That's why I became a cop. You're talking about the need for change and I wondered just to start. Your views are on what needs to change in policing. I mean what I would love to see. Is Law enforcement? Go to. Anybody. That's willing to represent the black community in have that conversation. What do you feel we're doing? And then we tell them here's what we're actually doing now. How can we bring you the community? To to us and we meet in the middle. Is it that we need more social workers to where police officer is acting like a social worker? Do we need that? Get more financing towards where we can make a phone call in the police to say I need a psychiatrist here and instead of them saying well, we gotta find so- by. It's GonNa take two or three hours because we don't have money to put anybody there, or can it be? Yeah, we've got a person on call. They'll be there in ten minutes so now we can stand by and wait for them. They can take over that mental health aspect that child protection thing and then we. We are asked to myriad of things. That are socially. Driven. And what I'LL! He'd rather see like are talking about having the ability to have a social worker. On call. The unfortunate part is it's totally opposite of the defunding of law enforcement. You know it comes down to the politicians and I really hate to be that way, but it does and instead of building. Parks that make no sense putting flowers up and down the roads that probably going to die, and you're GonNa have to replace or something. Why can't we take that budget money and move it over to? I'll stand next to the community in fight for that. Every day. While you're describing is similar in some ways to what protesters and activists and reforms are asking for a social worker at ASEAN, instead of a police officer, a therapist at scene instead of. I hear you saying that that is at odds with defunding and dismantling police, but help me understand why if a social worker takes the place of a police officer, if a group of therapists is on call instead of a traditional police officer. Then why do you need more money for policing? Don't you need less money for One? You meant you mentioned replace. I'm not asking to replace. They have to go hand in hand. There has to be more of them or as many of them as there is officers. I think too many years. There's GonNa be some skepticism to the idea that there's not a lot of money spent on policing and the question becomes. How is that money spent on policing? For example, let's go back to the therapist or the social worker who might go out and deal with the police call. Are you suggesting that a police officer needs to be with social worker? Is there need to be two people at that scene? What if there's one and if there's one? Do we need that police officer. I guess one of the interesting questions of moment is. Are you all called? Too much is the system. Built too heavily around the idea that you dial those three digits nine, one one and a police officer with a gun shows up, is that? Not What we need. What do you think? It's a good question because. Back, there are scenarios where. Yeah! We weren't needed. and. Maybe. We shouldn't have gotten the call. But unfortunately. That's the system. They only know nine. One one way knows the seven digit number ten did number to call anyone else so right I guess in. If you look at it that way, and you're framing it that way. I still don't know if. There's enough funding, but if you're talking in relation to if we took. Calls away, I don't WanNa. Say Away, but a calls that aren't necessary for law enforcement and we were able to. I don't know how we would do at teach or whatever the word you use the public to call another number. Then maybe yeah, that would that May. Be something that would cause the cost factor to go down. I mean again I. Don't believe that would be a systematic across the board defunding. I think if we start doing that and. Let's say that using your argument that works out everybody starts to. Now Call. They see a homeless person themselves instead of calling law enforcement. They call the therapist number that person goes out. Goes real good. They get that person someplace to live or figure out how to get them safe in those calls for service. Go down in that league's law enforcement to. Handle the real I. Guess Emergencies. Yeah, I think if you put that in practice, and then you start doing on a cost analysis on it. It could actually lower the budgets. And I'm not even saying now That The budgets shouldn't be looked out and seeing if there's another way to do that because look a lot of officers. were social workers. We're marriage counselors where doctors sometimes we're. We're more than actually what we were trained to be I mean. We try to train for everything that we can, but. We just can't be then then, but you then expect us to you're not you? I'm just saying as a side right as a whole you expect us to and then when we. Slip up where the enemy. In Yeah I mean I could I can see your point. Right and I think for for the people. WHO ARE CALLING FOR REFORM? What you have described as a problem is to them a problem as well. Police officers trained for one thing public safety being asked. To respond to all manner of scenarios that are not pure questions of public safety, and then there being problems and those encounters that have now led people to question why police respond to those in the first place. Good point I mean I can't disagree what. Do. You ever find yourself as a union leader. Representing a police officer who has been disciplined. And who faces perhaps expulsion termination? And yet because of a contract or because of your own. Union instincts and ethos. You're supposed to defend them. I'm thinking about for example. Officers that we have learned about over the past few years with. Ten twelve, fifteen, seventeen. Complaints of his conduct against them who ended up in one of these shootings and everyone looks back and says well look at that record, and then I always imagined maybe a misogynist. There's a union official. Maybe it looks like you and he is defending that officer. From. Being terminated. I think us a broad brush. What I I took over in. Florida the Union. First elected as the president. I lost members because. I refused the lie for him. To. Try to keep their jobs. By job as a union representative is to give you the ability to be treated fairly. If, you did wrong. We need to go forth in. Go before whomever. We have to go for for your due process. The one fortunate thing that I have a right to work state as I'm not bound to represent everybody I have the right, even though you pay the dues to us and there. I have the right to turn down for representation. The reason I'm asking these questions because some police unions around the country have resisted efforts to make public complaints against police officers, and they have fiercely resisted. Eliminating firing police officers who are. Accused of a pattern of misconduct. Do you feel like unions are invested. In the status quo in ways that mean. That it is. Going to be hard is hard will always be hard to change policing in this country. Song? I think that patterns should be checked. I don't know why anyone union or or other. In the police would want to. Have Somebody on there. That's going to cause this issue. I hope not. Again a bad cop. Whether we like it or not. We get paid with a broad brush. So why would we want to continue having? Those individuals around causing those problems worse. Earning. A. Upward is giving one million dollars talent grants to businesses working to counter the ongoing impacts of Kobe nineteen as the world's largest network of remote professionals. They're connecting existing teams with remote experts in tech, creative and operations in an effort to help save lives and rebuild the economy to learn more go to upward dot com slash work together. I, this is Veronica. Chambers senior editor special projects for the New York Times on June nineteenth, eighteen, sixty five union soldiers arrived in Galveston Texas to declare the civil war had ended, and that enslaved African Americans were now free that day became known as June team, a celebration of freedom long in the making this June teeth came in a moment when black Americans are still fighting for justice and equality, still wrestling with what? What some call unfreedom! We've been talking about it across the newsroom, asking ourselves and others. What is freedom? How do we celebrate it? Can Freedom be seen heard tasted? Are Some of us more free than others? Can we all acknowledge that? And can we change that a group of Writers and editors at The Times that explore these questions and more you can meet the stories at ny times dot com slash June teeth. On June twelve less than three weeks after George Floyd's killing in Minneapolis. A police officer in Atlanta responded to a nine one one call from a Wendy's employee who reported that a man had fallen asleep in the drive through lane. That man was twenty seven year. Old Ray Shark Brooks. Visiting revisited. Very. Sorry to hear that. She for. been probably about a year and a half now. Okay, I'm sorry. Birthdays Pass as my colleagues have reported for much of the encounter brooks who operated with police. She has her. Few! As yes, or no, it's completely. Okay. But after failing a sobriety test, the two officers on the scene, Garrett Ralph and Devin Brosnan tried to handcuff him. Brooks then punched officer Ralph. Took control of officer. Brosnan's teaser fired it and ran from the officers. Officer Ralph chased after him. Brooks turned around fired. A second tasers shot overalls head. Rolf drew his gun and Shot Brooks, twice in the back. Killing him. Five days later. The Fulton County District Attorney Paul. Howard held a press conference. So We have decided to issue warrants in this case the gate. Where he announced that officer Brosnan was being charged with aggravated assault. We have had something quite remarkable to happen in this case, and it involves the testimony of the other officer Devon Brosnan but that he was participating in the investigation and would be a witness against officer Ralph. He plans to make a statement regarding the culpability of. Officer off who is being charged with murder, and who, if convicted would face life in prison or the death penalty Ralph was aware that the Taser in rich's possession that it was fired twice Howard said that officer life was never endanger in once. It's fired twice. It presented no danger him. Already any other persons and Howard revealed new details about the encounter. What we discovered is. That officer Ralph Actually Kick Mr Bruce. While? He laid on the ground. While, he was there fighting for his life. We were able to conclude. That Bastogne, the way that these offices conducted themselves while Mr Brooks was lying there. That, the demeanor of the officers immediately after the shooting. Did Not. Reflect any fear. Are Danger of Mr Brooks, but their actions really reflected. Other kinds of emotions. ooh! Both of the officers are represented by the International Brotherhood of police. And I. Vince Champion who quickly criticized the investigation? We want to understand why champion a union official who supports reform? Is defending the officers in the Bronx killing. I wonder. What it means to have a member of your union, a police officer charged with murder in the line of duty. Well a Only to correct because of the severity, he's actually Georgia being charged with murder, which means that if he's not put to death, he will spend the rest of his life in prison without a chance for parole. And to answer your question. It's heavy on my heart and disheartening not so much the charge the fact that the due process in the investigation to that led to the charge was. Not done at all and very properly. What do you mean I know? You came right away and you said that firing officer. Ralph was rushed. Do you still feel that way? After reading the charges? After watching the news conference from the district attorney videos all the information that has come out. And they. I feel more, so you know we've said from day one we the Union. Look at the videos and everything. We're not saying where there was a good shoot or bad. Shoot we we don't have enough evidence to say that. Normally held a situation goes on. Alter involved shootings the GBI. Georgia Bureau of Investigation does the investigation the officers either put on administrative leave without pay, and then the the results returned to the DA or to the city, but the district attorney here decided to do his own investigation that he normally doesn't do. And then after he did his press conference. We found. I guess to be politically correct misspoken misspoken. Or lies that he did, and we haven't even been entitled to all of the investigative material. So yeah, we still believe that it was a Russian investigation and it was politically motivated. I just want to make sure I understand what you are referring to when you say that there are cases where the district attorney may have misspoken. What do you mean? In his press conference The district attorney came out and stated that also bras on a second officer on the scene. Had turned state witness, and he was going to testify against officer. Roth that ended up not being true less than ten minutes after that statement came out the attorney for. Brosnan said that had never happened. He is not going to testify against other alter. He never city turn state witness. He's never. Pled guilty any charges, and he has cooperated with the DA meaning answering questions and stuff, but he's never said that he would be state witness so. You know the question then becomes. If you're not telling the truth now, or you're having inconsistencies. How can we believe your report? Or did you just do a shoddy investigation? If that's the case, you should have allowed what we consider it professionals, which is a unbiased outside agency from Atlanta Deji Bi there. The state organization that does this. Okay so. Those issues aside, and I understand why you have raised them. I wonder what you make of the evidence. That has been presented knowing that it may not be entirely complete. To summarize what the district attorney has said in his public presentation, he's officer revolves. Life was never in danger. That he shot Rashard, Brooks in the back when Brooks was running away, and that after Brooks was shot officer Ralph kicked him as he lay dying. Do. You dispute any of that. Yeah. As far as The first one that you talked about that that also serves Ross. Life was never in danger. Let's not forget. There was a fight ensued. One officer did go to the hospital with a concussion. And I guess it depends on whether you subscribe to that a Tasers, not a deadly weapon. But the TASERS is considered a deadly weapon under Georgia law. You're referring to the fact that race art books. Grabbed the officer's Taser and shotted. At the officer now I watched the District Attorney's news conference in what he said. Was that at the time? Racial are Brooks. was shot twice in the. By officer off he had. Twice shot the Taser in such a way that it was essentially empty and unusable, and that this would be something that an officer like officer. All would know having. Carried a as user Taylor that it contained to tasers shot so in that case. Does that complicate the point that you're making here? No because the TASERS considered unusable after the two shots, the tasers also has a method or a way to use it in drive stunt situation, and what that means is, you can actually walk up to a person like the old stun-guns that Arkan between us to touch people with them. The tasers still has that affects which still an active weapon. Sure, but. Brooks was eighteen feet away. I believe at the time that he was. Twice shot and he was moving away from the police. Will that your assumption that Brooks? Didn't wouldn't stop and turn around and come back. It was evident that he was running. Yes, but if he decided to stop comeback, kid have been years. But at the moment that. Are Off. The MR books. He wasn't in close range, and it wasn't capable of being stung so i. just want to be very clear on the question of. In what way officer wealth would have believed that his life was in danger. In that moment, you're painting a scenario where something could have changed, someone might have done something. Brooks might have turned around might have come back at him, but at that very moment. Eighteen feet away or so when the cartridges has been spent in, it's only role was as a stun gun. How was officer offs? Life endanger. Will. You're assuming that they didn't fire simultaneously. You don't know that we don't know that you're assuming that. He fired the Taser and then off Serov shot. Will neither nobody knows that including the district attorney. You don't know when also Ross decided to squeeze the trigger. We don't know when Mr Brooks decided to squeeze the trigger. Did they do it at the same time, did they not? We don't know we can find that out. So again. You're making an assumption that. You Brooks fired, and then the officer fired. We just don't know that and I can't make that assumption either. My recollection from watching. The video and the president. You can't do that I mean I you. You can't because you don't you don't know. You haven't done time distance. You don't know the time that it takes for person to think to squeeze the trigger. You don't know how much time it took him to draw his weapon, so I don't know how you can make any assumptions from that video in if you're asking that, that's what you're asking for solutions. Not Facts. So in your mind, there's not sufficient evidence to discount the possibility. That officer raw felt his life was endangered despite the distance despite this state of the Taser. I don't know we're asking for due process and for an investigation, and if the investigation proves what you're saying. that. That's an issue. If it saying what you're saying is wrong, then it was a good shoot but I. don't have an opinion there because I don't work on opinions. A work on evidence and I haven't seen all the evidence. And I'm not going to answer. Get painted in a corner or try to ask a question what I answered you live is as a Taser instructor. What we teach what they say what the law says. It doesn't matter quite honestly. If Georgia law, it clearly says that the tasers a deadly weapon, so I mean what's the difference of? If guns, a deadly weapon tasers a deadly weapon? You Point to one of your justified for using deadly force. I want to turn to the visual evidence that prosecutors pointed to in their presentation of officer Ralph Kicking Brooks his body once he had been shot and I know that. Talking about the specifics of this is tricky for you, but you are a longtime officer. You train people. You're a union representative that feels like a singular moment, and all of this, and is that appropriate conduct ever appropriate conduct for an officer will first off to your first part of the question during the press conference with. Paul Howard never showed a video of also. Roth kicking Mr Brooks. He showed US still shy. Yes, he showed a picture of the show picture. That's a picture now. We all know pictures worth a thousand words. We knew what it appears from the picture. We don't know what led up to that. Where exactly in time that was? But with all that being said you are correct. there's no reason to kick a suspect. And you, we don't train the do that. Were not allowed to do that. That's normally not the course of business, so that part of the question I would agree an answer that no, it should be done. However, do I take Paul Howard's word at what? That's what? That pitcher meant no, Sir I, do not. But that's why we have investigations. And even though it's been numerous times, the media has jumped out in swore that that officer was wrong, but after the all the evidence, the videos were looked at properly in context. Almost, all of those have been turned over, or they have been found guilty, but yet the started out looking at them. You know and if we're going to get to a society. Where Mayer's district attorney's can look at video. That looks bad I don't like it, so I'm going to terminate you. Charge you with murder. That's a that's a bad precedent start. I mean ultimately. I'm asking obvious questions because. I think a lot of people's reaction to this incident above all. Is. Why did a man who found asleep? In Wendy's drive-thru men who is not armed when this interaction began, and a man really just wanted to go home. Why did he end up dead at the end of this encounter in at the hands of police? We did not just get shot because he was in the wind each parking lot asleep and he just wanted to all now. That's not what happened. He chose the fight. The officers feature to be a fleeing felon. When he hit the officer in the head, it gave him a concussion, and then the officers reacted at that point. So, you can have the conversation all day whether you agree or not that the shot was was right or wrong it. We can wait for the evidence, but would you can't dispute, or you should not be saying is that a man was killed because all he wanted to do was go home, and he was just sitting in Wendy's drive through any fell asleep so I, don't I don't you know words have meaning? So when you say certain words, you have to understand that you. You need to say what you mean. And say that we are training should keep us from killing. A man that would just wanted to go home. Just isn't genuine. I wonder if you believe as many. Do. That race was a factor in his death. The prosecutor insinuated this when he spoke of other kinds of emotions. Do I feel. A lot of people ask those questions and. You know it's hard to answer because I personally don't ever see race I never have. been a law enforcement for over thirty years. I don't care. which color creed race I? It doesn't matter your human. Being I will treat you as that until you you know will act the same way you act towards me if we're cordial, we're talking. We're going to be cordial in talking if you're going to fight me. I'm going to defend myself. Do I think these officers decided to shoot Mr Brooks. 'cause that appears basically what you're asking me. Because of his skin color. Absolutely no, no, no, the question being did race play a factor in this not was he killed because. They sought out. I answer your question no I don't think so. I don't know how you could I mean other than. We are in the climate that we're in today how you draw that? Does to be sure entertaining in your mind. Would would a white man or a white woman who engaged in the same behavior as Rashard Brooks. Do you think that they would have also? Ended up dead. That's the way you ask the question. Yes Kind of offensive. But, why do you think? If. You're asking me. If a white person, man or woman would have done exactly what Mr Brooks stead. Would've been shot and possibly died from it. Yes. If they did exactly what it is I believe that would have happened the same way. But the way you framed it is. That if it was a white person, would they have been killed? You, you keep saying where they've been killed Mr. Brooks was killed because of actions that led up to it. The officer did not go out again and I. Don't know why we have to keep stressing this. He didn't go out to plan to kill Mr Brooks or anybody that day. But the way you made it sound if that was a white person, let's just go there. If that was a white person. That did the exact same thing that Mr Brooks stead. Absolutely, they would have been shot. I. I don't know how to say that in clear. Let's. Let's cab that by saying with the exact same. Actions, but the gotta be the exact same actions. We have to be talking about the same situation and just switching the color. But I I wonder if this connects to something that you said earlier. You said that you don't see race and I wonder if you've ever heard pushback on that concept, the idea that it's possible to be colorblind. Because there's a very strong line of thinking that. I've heard that I'm apparently I am racist because I say I. Don't see color. No, let me just let me just get through this. Because I think it's I think it's important. That concept, it may be very well intentioned. Race but the thinking is that it's actually dangerous, because if a person. Says I. Don't see race then. What you may actually be saying is that you don't see black people is different from white people or as treated differently, and then therefore you don't see racism. And it means that no measures will be put in place to acknowledge that the reality of being a black person is different than the liberality of being away person so the point being it's actually important to see race. It's important to see race. In order to change. Policing. that. I think that's the problem. Why. When I say I don't see race. That means I treat. Everybody is the same. But! It doesn't mean that I don't see. The struggles that other people have. And that is that's the difference in. If that offends somebody I apologize for that, but what I mean. Is there a human being? But it's not that I don't see that there's racism I'm not saying that there isn't what I said to. YOU IS I. See It as far as I. Don't do it me as my person me as vince champion I do not. Subscribe to that type of stuff. And you know it's interesting. We're sitting here having this conversation, but nobody really wants to talk about how many times officers has stepped in and protected people from racism. And nobody knows about it because you know why, because that's our job. And you talk about seeing it. Absolutely, we see it. It just seemed like everybody wants to make people talk different and at different when. You ask the question. I don't see it. In, that's the only way I can explain it for anybody say that makes me a racist shame on you. You want to change what words mean. To it. No. You're making clear that you do see it. You see you're saying you have seen acts of racism. So you do? See Race. Correct! Racism. I I'm curious. No please no God. Here's the. You know you're walking. Down the road and I understand the questioning, but here's the problem that I see how I see it. A lot of people are going to have this argument. About race and systemic racism in law enforcement. The Statistics Don't prove it. And you go and pull nationwide, and you pull in certain cities in states, law enforcement records and I. Just did this at this. Because I had to do this in front of the City Council in Chattanooga, Tennessee. In Two Thousand Nineteen USA Force fifty nine percent were white. Thirty, nine percent were black. If, you start looking nationwide. You start seeing similar. Percentages so the issue is statistically. The. Argument isn't there. My opinion, my opinion only. The statistics are not the issue. What the issue is is the perception from the black community that that is what's going on. So where we in law enforcement, fall short is, we don't change in help. Change that perception. Counter. What you have just described in those statistics and the idea that this is. A question of perception rather than conduct in patterns. I'm sure you know. Some of US local and federal investigations have found. What they describe as systemic racial bias in the Chicago Police Department in the Baltimore Police Department. In the Ferguson Police Department now in Ferguson what they found was that black drivers were more than twice as likely to be searched after being stopped, as white drivers were in New York City, where I live data makes clear that police stopped and frisked black and Latino New Yorkers at significantly higher rates than. They actually represent in the city, but eighty three percent of the stops. During a decade, long period involved Blacken Hispanics even though they make up about fifty percent of the city's resident so eighty-three percent of stops fifty percent of the city's residents, and in Minneapolis just a few weeks ago, data showed that use of force against black people in that city was seven times greater than it was against white people in the city, so the idea that it's just perception rather than a documented data based conclusion about conduct does not seem accurate. Because all of that data. Seems to point to a pattern of racial discrimination. I'm not gonna a dispute the fact of what you're saying. One Idol Apple Stats I'll take your word for the stats. You said three or four cities. I said one seven. So. The the the thing is you know you can go to your states and pull yours I can go to my states and pull mine now is their departments. That actually may have it. I'M NOT GONNA. Argue that point you're probably. Yes, that could be absolutely right. I just think that trying to go to our respective corners. If you would and make our arguments is not going to do it. We in law enforcement have to admit. That in the black community. This is how they feel. How do we prevent them from feeling? You keep saying feel and I believe that is a deliberate choice. But when a black American is hurt or killed in one of these interactions. In many cases by a white police officer. Do, you understand why that doesn't feel like a perception. Sure I could understand that I understand what you're saying, but we can do this all day long, but that's not helping anything. What we need to do is fix why. It is the way that it is and why people feel that way because. If we try to. Prove and try to change that. And make it better two words, not that way. Isn't it the same whether it's a perception of reality? We talked about the concept of systemic racism in policing. And you said that you didn't think police officers are operating with racist assumptions. Do you think police officers operate with unconscious bias. Police officers as you know, they have enormous discretion and power. They carry guns. They can end lives and I think. What people who are protesting and demonstrating now are talking about. Our decisions that don't feel conscious. They may not be intentional, but they are kind of baked into how people operate. And how the police? Are you asking me if I believe that's. The rule, or if that happens, if it can, if it does explain behavior, and if it's a reality. Yes I would say probably so. Could somebody because of their upbringing and how they lived their life and everything. subconsciously do that. Yeah and the main reason that I would have to say yes, is when you're in a stressful situation, you technically you don't think the sub-conscious takes over in you react. When a law enforcement officer has their training that they go through. You try to train that. If you're going to be in a stressful situation that your training's got to take over not your thought process so. With that being said. You're sub-conscious if you've trained yourself over your years of living. A certain way, and maybe you've. Suppress those because it's not societally acceptable in. You're trying to be a good person in society that under a stressful situation could that by? It's come out un-spin knowingly. I mean that only would make common sense since. Scientifically. It, actually it works. In training and other stuff so. I could see that could be a true statement. And I think that's where. Somebody, who was black? And somebody who has had an experience. With the police said is unpleasant and maybe even violent. Would say that's not a perception. That's their reality. I'm curious. What coversations you and your colleagues are having in this moment I have to assume that you go into the office each day. The Union headquarters, or you meet with rank and file officers, and you're all absorbing these protests. And I'm I'm curious what kinds of conversations you are having in this moment? The conversations are really questioning whether we want to continue to do the job. What the conversations are becoming. Are More of. More of digging down in our personal. Being to decide is did we do this job for the right reason are the wrong reason. I walked into this job. My son has walked into this job for what it's four to protect and serve as Cliche as that sounds. That's why we do those. We, don't you know we don't get holidays and weekends off? We know they're going Ed. We know that the pay is not the best we know that going in. we know we could get hurt or killed. We know that going in, so you look at yourself in you. You know. Why are you doing the job? That's been the conversation. Is The job Gigi to where? It's not what you. Thought it was. It's not maybe for you. L. Now. Are you becoming the dinosaur officer that needs to go. Area everybody says things are done like there used to well, that's true. They're not so. You gotTA learn to conform. And make these changes and if you don't think you can. Maybe, it's time for you to move ought. Finally, appreciate your time Miss Champion! It's been good talking to you. Again Jordan During an interview on CNN. Paul Howard the Fulton County District Attorney was asked about claims that his prosecution of officers Ralph and Brosnan is politically motivated in is the same criticism. We have head in every police case particularly, no matter how important the case was, the more important are significant. The case, the more the accusation was that it was political. This is nothing new. Howard said that politics has played. No, we've charged it based upon the facts, and I'm hoping that the people in this country will get away from the little criticisms and understand the broad pitcher. 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Interview With Attorney and Author Ron DeLord

Labor Relations Information System

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Interview With Attorney and Author Ron DeLord

"Hello folks welcome to the premium podcast series from the Labor Relations Information System. My name is Wilson and I have a very special guest for you today. I know normally I start off these podcasts by talking quite a bit about the biographies the history the experience the expertise of the person who I will be interviewing this time though. It seemed more appropriate for me to let the biography of our guest spin out over the course of the interview. Our guest today is Rhonda lured. You may have heard Brown's name if you haven't even be have. Ron is one of the deans of police. Union labor work in this country Ron comes to us from Texas. A state which asks you'll hear Ron describe has a very very unusual and fractured collective bargaining system. Ron Is the historian of the police. Union movement is written books about the topic knows more about the history of police unions and any individual that I have run into in my life. He's a wealth of information. Wealth of stories. We're gonNA talk about something. That is very very serious. We'll start off a little bit Discussing the development of police unions and Texas over the one thousand nine hundred seventy S and nineteen eighty S. But then we'll turn to the main topic of the interview and the main topic is what's the future police unions in this country. There's so much controversy swirling around in the public discussion about police not only police procedures but also The power and even the very appropriateness of the existence of police unions. Your Hair Ron. Give a prescription as to how it is. He thinks police unions can best navigate the rocky. Shoals that are ahead. It is a prescription that may be a little bit difficult for some people to hear but it is a prescription that you definitely need to consider so with that. I give you Rhonda Lord Ron Welcome to the podcast. Glad to be here from the Republican Texas the Fine Republic of Texas. Are there any other republics among our sates? Well California has it on their flag. But they never actually. There were a number of people that tried to form them. But we're the only state that actually became a nation currency military. You know. Yeah I thought you guys still wear your own nation that I miss something somewhere Well it feels like it. There's I don't know what it is about the culture of taxes but there is a fierce independence and a sense of that were better than the other states. I guess it is the Promised Land and it just kinda state in the psyche. You don't run into people going. Hey you know look at all the history in Iowa. There's not I mean shows the West. Everything happened in Texas. And it's just one of those states that you're if you're from Texas you tell people if you're not just quiet okay. I'll keep quiet. I'm from the Anti Texas. I grew up in southern California. So Ron I want to talk a little bit about your career before we get into the subject of the podcast because I I thank. Your background is really important. In establishing how you came to have the views you have now about the role of police unions in. Gyn Of our larger culture. You started off your career. Police officer right. Try and I was in college at Lamar University in Beaumont and a friend of mine in Terni got on the police department and I had been looking at the police and I can't tell you because When I was early nineteen Houston with higher. You and I started looking into my dad taught me out of it and when I turned twenty one on the day I turned twenty one beaumont police were hiring. I just went down here. Joint in nineteen sixty nine and just stayed in that now for approaching fifty one years in the police world. So how long did you malate go? Oh I'm just going to say how long did you stay with Boma not very long? I was a near the end of college so I was just short of three years but I was already on the Union board and was starting to get activists activist. My Dad was a union president. All of my family were in. The unions came up in a very union area of Texas so came with a lot of lately some labor concepts and so but I graduated from college and wanted to get out of Boma put out there in wisdom mosquito Texas of all places which at the time was hiring college graduates had a ten hour day a week and take home cars and I want it to work on a PhD. I decided not to go to law school. So that's a magazine and I stayed there six years so full-time pleasing about eight years. When you're off to form clete so fulltime about nine years now help us out. I know we can all find a map. And look at Willis Mesquite is on the east side of Dallas is one of those suburbs to ring the Dallas Fort Worth area and at the time it was very progressive for the state and I am so I looked at it. I looked good balance Austin and at the time I wasn't intending to stay in policing my interest was I won't I liked it but I wanted to go further into it either. As an attorney or get a PhD and teach criminal justice. So but when I got the mystique got active again elected president of the Association. I went out and got involved in a pay raise referendum collective bargaining referendum. So by the time I left mosquito I was spending a lot of my time. You own the local labor is trying to improve the wages and working conditions in the skeet. A couple of foundational questions for you. First of all you mentioned in the process you founded clete combined law enforcement associations of Texas. Tell us about how clete got founded. It's one of those still one of the major law enforcement associations in the country and the founding story isn't well known outside of Texas sure at the time the Texas Municipal Police Association. Was you still exist today and say they're bigger than Clayton? They may I don't know. But at the time they were a large fraternal group of municipal. Only police there were no deputies organizer. Sturt just special districts. All of this Laurence Powell he's had very paternal police association so I wanted T. Mpa to become more labor are oriented in nineteen seventy three. They passed a bargain alone in Texas. You had to have a referendum to get it. But a lot of cities were winning bargain elections and we come close Muskie to win and I went on to. Mpa to become a labor union. You know not just the attornal. So John Doe who came down to was hired to represent a couple of large locals embarking. Eleanor was the labour water with a background. And we. He said well if they won't do it. Why don't we just former own? So we have a convention in one thousand nine hundred seventy six a large group of the bargaining groups which San Antonio Corpus El Paso at bargaining in Fort Worth. Didn't have it but wanted it. All went to him and they voted not to do it. They just want to raise your dues. Didn't want to be a union. We walked out of their chartered. Clea and with about four hundred people to start out maybe thousand by the end of the year. We said. Let's just do our own you. Let's be a labor union in bring to taxes something that nobody has an all caveat at the time the International Brotherhood of police officers which is out of Boston. As part of the National Association of Government Boys They had come to taxes in this period of seventy four. Seventy five seventy and organize a number of police departments with Barking Beaumont. Port author Brandt I think Laredo several other so we said look. We're either GONNA sit around. Let this outside union come down here in pick up these split a wiggle former owner need in which the chief and said I wanNA take a year off work now in. May Two thousand dollars a month just said I'm GONNA take the next year off. I WanNa see if I can form a state widening. And he was a nice guy he just said take off so I took his took an unpaid leave from police. Forum is spent all seventy seven organizing driving. My car stays friends houses. They had no money. I got paid six thousand dollars for the year. But in February seventy eight. The chief said look. You've got to come back to work. You can't go forever small police department and I said cheap. Wouldn't you drive the car? You Never WanNa get in the back seat again. I said I quit and I'll just take my chances building and you became then our or did you become then the first president of the clete. Yeah we had an interim you know when we incorporated Jerry class you gotta stay with Inter but they kind of all that kind of fell apart and I became the president from this small group. Stay praise Allah selected every three years for ten years so I was president thirty years and then decided it's not healthy. I wasn't a policeman anymore. Our full time for the Union. But I was the elected president and I decided not to run again came to director for a couple of years and then decided. I don't want to run it Really WanNa bark and I want to think and write about policing and what the future holes in so but I stayed there thirty six and a half years officially left in the in July of two thousand thirteen and a little bit more about background. Texas is very unusual. I think of it as being. Sui generis a matter of fact in terms of its approach to collective bargaining for police and sheriff's unions described for unravel that mystery that is this relationship between civil service and local elections and collective bargaining. And all that stuff. Yeah it it. It's really complicated. Most states adopt a labor law. They get Labor Board and then the Labor board managed the case Texas we got municipal civil service in nineteen forty seven but he had to have an election get so there's twenty only municipally so thousands of police departments today navy seventy departments covered by the State Civil Service and then in nineteen seventy three. They passed a collective bargaining muddled off the national labor relations. Not also you know small Marty but you had that election to get it. And there's about forty cities mostly South Texas Labor areas is high Vanik areas blue-collar. They've got Bart but only about forty out of twenty seven hundred apartments. Now Ron Landover Rod. Let me stop you for a moment because you say civil service you mean something different than for example a civil service board that just sets hiring standards and makes disciplinary decisions and the like civil service in Texas means and Matt something to do with bargaining as well. Then no no. That's not the kind at the time statewide set of rules. Houston's kind of carved out their own that sets the hiring discipline in back in the eighties I got lobbied and got binding arbitration for Discipline put in the State Law. So if you're in a one was called chapter one forty three Seti you have binding arbitration for your desk. But there's no Barton built into that now over the years we started The sheriff's bigger sheriff's department got some civil service of their own. Then we created was called meet and confer now are bargaining law without getting to wasting time is really meet convertible because they're so the impasse procedures on. Don't work so we did pass. A meat confer law that. If you have civil service you can mutually agreed bar no contract so we have another forty or fifty groups that never had collected Bari. They're not required to have an election like mosquito. The city and the Union just agreed to pay less bargain and they market country. It's still buying so what were Houston Austin? All have just meet confirm but structurally. It's the same so today. There's maybe seventy eighty departments including some sheriff's departments that have so what I would call bargain or meteorite tabby contract but the vast majority numerically of the twenty seven hundred apartments all will at will so America the number of police if you take all the policemen one hundred thousand plea Malaysia. Them are covered by either civil service or a contract but all the smell agency. Two hundred fifty sheriffs departments cosmos all at will every four years thousands of them get fired when the new boss conclusion. Describe that process. Because in many stade's what you just talked about a new boss coming in every for years and nobody gets fired. That's utterly foreign to them. It is typical in the south and excluding Florida. But if you take the old sal January places that have prohibitions against bargaining is horrible system and we slowly cleaned it up a little bit even with concerning legislature but I admit many friends and their whole on US. Twenty thirty years working. No one Kerala. Was the chief of assistant chief. Deputy number two the sheriff sheriff retired new guns in they find they have no civil service in Texas. There's no covenant of Good Faith and fair dealing like you have in many states like California. You can fire you for anything except Polish of the law reporting. That's it so you don't need any reason in. I've worked with Sheriff's department where at least half the department for just let go just fired no matter where they're at in your career didn't do anything wrong. We don't even look. It's a horrible system but sheriffs are extremely powerful in Texas and that's system is not gonNA change and constables. Which is an odd situation. We have in Texas where every K. On he almost every county four constable up to eight constables in Houston and the big county they have hundreds and hundreds of deputies. Doing basically the same work is share in these districts. It's not just certain civil possible. They got motorcycle. Use Radar Gun. They're out there with a look like another police force so we have multiple layers of policing in Texas. You don't have many close all right now. A little bit more background. This a prayer to you as time goes by from nineteen seventy seven on forward you end up with both a master's degree in police science and administration and you end up getting your Jd. Your doctor of Jurisprudence Jerry. As a lawyer. What led you down those two paths. Well I like I said earlier. I started out wanting to be a lawyer and went to college. I was going to be a lawyer Waddell. No nobody in my family ever graduate from college but I wanted to be a warrior. That was what I wanted but once I got on the police department in Spanish and went up to a ski and started working on my masters. I thought I don't WanNa do that. I I'm going to get a PhD. But once I got going clay I realized I had an opportunity so myself to other. Police officers We all decided to go to law school and use the South Texas college law so for a while one of stay together always the end and I just drove from my house. You'RE AUSTIN DOWN TO HOUSTON to class and I got out for years with my class. I went year round. And you know you steal time from your family steals from wash she to get it but I was driven. I wanted to be a lawyer but I didn't really want to practice. Law a felt like for me to have a voice in dealing with all these managers mayor city attorney had built on the same level with them. I've told everybody you don't need to be a lawyer to be a contract. Negotiator the fire use Q. Lawyers but police tend to you. Don't have to be but it made me Show up at the table with a different type of respect that I wouldn't have had just been Rhonda Lord x copy. You know so that I was driven to do and I finished in eighty six When I was thirty eight years old and I'm glad I did although I never really practice law except the a bargaining contracts and also Ron. You're you're one of the few people in our business in biology business. I'm talking about very generally labor representatives slash lawyers who've specialized in representing public safety organizations over their careers year. One of the few. Who's actually written a book and You Britain? Many more than just simply a book. I want to start with a couple of books that I found absolutely fascinating. What brought you to write books about lynching in Texas. Well side my side geared or whatever you go side job is I became over the years. When you're you know you run off Leash Union statewide level and then I cringe. That were killed while I was policemen. Kunal to attended and just older years this. I decided that I would start working on the police memorial and so became kind of the guy overseeing all the research and doing the research group of other retired officers and we accumulated so much material to many of these cases. The people that killed the police in the crowd would lynch so my writing partner who has never been a policeman. That was historian. We said you know. We've got a lot of data and we. We all have to sit down and figure out came. We identified proved. What's true or not just over four years. We started going back and researching every vigilante action lynching illegal hanging from the start of before the republic Back Eighteen nineteen all the way up to when they quit hanging people in public and I think twenty three so that was kind of a cumulation of from two books. We wrote about lawmen both good and bad in so I just felt that story was and I know you. Two older white men riding story but It was one of those stories that need to be told is a very very bilour state and has a long history of violence. Now don't mean everyone's bad but if you look at the history bows with the native American. The fight with civil rights Lynching we felt those stories need to be told and got along positive things from African American museums camly members who didn't know the history you know and so that was just one of those aside get aside the old. I'm fascinated by the history of the state policing criminal justice as kind of what that came about. And I think your buck on the history of the police union movement in this country. Actually I said that. In the singular. There's more than one. I think those are essential resources that anybody who's involved on either side of the management or Labor and Police. Unions ought to be reading. Why did you put those books together? Yeah well it started. When I did my master's thesis which I filled around over ten years but finished with the law school. I wrote a little history of what I knew at the time. And then I just each and then About Nineteen Ninety six Charles Thomas. Publishers contacted John Bourbeau who had written some an earlier labor book back in the sixties for them. And said you got out here. We'd be willing to write a book about labor unions in the United States so I kind of added that updated it and we took our seminars. We'd been doing about politics. Confrontation please and we said. Let's put that in a book and that led to ten years later another book and ten years later the latest book that run your number so they can came about about saying. Hey what are we learning here? Where do we get an each book are all processes have changed in? What believe then I still believe? Then the question is is it applicable today at work and it does work and you got to change the way you do it now. Am I correct in saying that When you started nineteen seventies nineteen eighties and the police union movement The police union movement in Texas was very rough and tumble affair from a political perspective. That right well I was taking. I wasn't arrested but I was removed from a number of police departments. When they found out it was in the building he was hard ball all the way and see. We came in when I started what was alien taxes was the police having lost. We're no political endorsements. There was no fighting back and putting up billboards and going after people in John Berkman both believe that Saul Alinsky. And that's another store. We decided this is a revolution. We are not going to get the cheese and many big association unless we come in hardball and so we did where the first union and eighty to endorse and come out against the governor. Bill Clinton's the Big Republican and we had cops against Clinton's. The cheese held press conference in attacked us for being about champion more conservative at the time held a press conference and said. Cleveland were insulted that we were endorsing cannon. Now today all do but at the time it was right it was radical who radio spots the radical put up a billboard so we just decided they go they would fire. I mean we re many many police officers who helped try to help us. Organize got terminated and. We just decided we were going to change that system. Can that's what we put the binding. Arbitration is low in civil service. Act to keep the chiefs and sheriffs and just firing everybody so yes I came with a Saul Alinsky hard attack. Hard Ball. No surrender no mercy. Because that's what we had to build. We couldn't have built it the way it was sitting. It might have slowly ball it would have been more fraternal but at the time. That's what we had that we took. Also we defended officers at the time. I'll just say tan the other most associations and they did not represent policeman. Who got in trouble? They might have a boat. They might give you some money but you got far far. You're on your own. And when we started cleaning our position was we will represent yeah one hundred percent of the department quits because we represent you. We will represent you anyone because when you're down and out in your in trouble you've got to have a friend and you paid for us to be that friend for you. That was so alien to Texas people got up and walked out of meetings on top of that but then they evolved UC anyway. That's KINDA APPROACH. We took now. You mentioned the name Ron and I'm not sure. All of our listeners will be familiar with him. Saul Alinsky tell us just a little bit about Saul Alinsky the Industrial Areas Foundation and and why why Saul Alinsky works and writings and more so his act actions. Implants you. Yeah I'll tell people today. Guess rules for radicals by solid. She's a little paperback the principles that he has in there about organizing a group to bill. Powell are as relevant today as they were in the nineteen thirties he was a PhD criminologist. Who GOT INVOLVED IN? Chicago. With helping. Poor PEOPLE ORGANIZE UNIONS MEAT. Packing plants tenants. He was a socialist. Who WANTED TO HELP? So he he has deal. Was you've got to build an organization if you won't power because power dental concede anything so one of the famous deals. His was the people living in these housing projects pillow roaches. They couldn't get out already and she lived bunch of rich people appointed and they kept going down there begging people so finally he came with a group and they brought like a million cockroaches jars and win the views a partner. They released the cockroaches in the building. So those type of going outside your comfort level going outside the comfort level. Who you're battling with what you need to do to get a group to stay together and stay focused. Those principles apply to any organization ables power. There's a big difference when you go to a City Council or Commissioner's Court and they don't show you respect. Then you have to get that respect because all the things that need to be done. Happy done by mutual respect it. One of the other doesn't respect them then. There has to be enough confrontation to readjust the power grid so that people can hear each other. You say that lady. The shopping cart goes back my talk. They're not listening to her. You show up with thousand members you show up with PUC latching money. He sure of willingness to run a candidate against them. They're gonNA at least hear you but there has to be that respect and so all confrontation is is about realigning the power grid so you can hear jug and for our listeners. We're going to post links on our website for not only bronze box but also will post a link to Saul Alinsky is rules for radicals which I by the way completely agree with Ron. It is an excellent. It's very short book. It's an easy read but an excellent book on what you need to transform your organization into an effective and more powerful one. So right now let's get to the. Let's get to the president. You and I have talked somewhat over the years from time to time. We've run into each other in different places but we started a conversation in earnest in really October or November electronic conversation email exchange and we were talking back and forth about the eventually focused on the November two thousand nineteen elections and we were discussing ballot measures that dealt with police oversight measures and We were focused. We talked a lot about two of them One of them was that cover the New York Police Department and another the cover the Rochester Police Department and you made the observation pretty much right off the bat in this conversation that I found fascinating and then wasn't able to contradict you that you could not recall a ballot measure on police accountability. That had actually failed. Why did you make that observation? What was the point? You were trying to make their Allard a lot less than I. I look at everything from thirty thousand feet. I'm not a policeman anymore than a union anymore so I have the emeritus position of just observing it in the round of bargaining that we had in Austin in two thousand seventeen thousand eighteen where we had a you know head up. Confrontation with the reform activists. How dealt with the first round and they got the council votes contract down not approve it after we negotiated and what we did in the next year. I learned a lot of lessons and so I knew them in. We knew we did not want that on about and so I just switch years and I started looking at all of these and I said if they make it to the ballot. They're gonNA pass it no matter what it says because they got a message that is simple in fits on a bumper sticker and the police unions have no message. You see you look at Rochester Nashville Oakland naming any place where they've had police reform deal. They have just reformist have won hands down now. He is that because there's only if you took all the black lives matter every reform group even in Austin and not even one half of one percent of the population but their message is resonating with the public. And you look at Rochester Rochester. A sound a liberal hotbed and I know Mike Marzio. He's one of the greatest presidents in the United States. They couldn't stop it. And so in Austin our position and I've looked at is you've got a series of things with with. Brian Marvel dead for California with the Unnecessary Force Brig. They slowed down stopped it. They worked out a deal. They activist bill. They got a law that could live with in these other places. Once he gets the point that it's owned about they have a very simple message and that message is transparency. Plus Accountability Equals Trust. The policing had no answer to that because see they lost sight that people know the risk. We risk our lives. We have the dangerous job. That's not selling any more people know that you have dame shop. Eighty five percent of the public in any poll will support the police. But what they don't like is the optics it was. I don't like is that they feel the police. In certain situations. That was not an acceptable use of force. Say so the police try to argue all of these things that are the public already knows but what they do want is they want the police. To be transparent and accountable. So there's trust in. The police have not found a way. Have a message with override that vote. You Look at New York City Nashville. I mean that's a progressive Tamas liberal hotbed and a of people put that on the ballot union spent fortunes. Couldn't stop it because we don't. We have not looked at what we need to be doing on iron in this in this debate. Let's talk about some of these ballot measures and let's start with Rochester. I found the Rochester election particularly telling because they already had police oversight in place. They only had an advisory board and what they ended up with and this was a huge margin of victory for the activists it was a seventy five to twenty five margin. They ended up with a board. That is not gonNA be advisory anymore. It's going to make decisions. It will be the ultimate disciplinary decision maker and it will be the investigative more that's that is a pretty striking change and then when we get to New York and I'll I'll I'll turn it over to you for Nashville in just a moment ron but When we get to New York we have another seventy five to twenty five margin This is an election where there was no spending no appreciable spending by the proponents of the reform The Police Benevolent Association in New York spent While was reported at one hundred fifty. Seven thousand dollars may well have been much more and these are pretty big changes or New York not huge not Rochester. Level changes and that you're not going to have with us the civilian Complaint Review Board With Disciplinary Authority in New York. But it beeps up the power of the CR be and and will allow the city council to appoint members to be. That's going to guarantee. I think much more activist C. C. R. B. Than in the past. So we have these. Two New York election seventy-five twenty-five margins and tell us what happened in Nashville they. I'm not an expert on it. But they had a a series of efforts to reform and in return. They eventually act. Got It on the battle a ballot. They got new Levin member panel. They got investigating in Compulsory Powers Review Arrest and actions. Ask fifty nine forty one the the Nashville Apple Pie outspent. People supporting the ballot. Thirty two one so no amount of no amount of money is going to stop it And I will tell you this whether we'll start to identify where you can see their playbook. It's not a Mr. Each link election have one or more of the components even go to campaign zero on the Internet. It has a list of out of those union contracts but in it. It has a list of goals in Austin. They all took the goal that brought to the city. And here's what we want. We want independent board with the right to investigate with the right to compel testimony subpoena power in so about eight. Thanks but at the same eight things one way or the other and all the other elections you say. So we know what they want and they want really sisterhood. The police department and they want to strip the chief of that authority. They don't get fat an emmy play so they modified but once I get aboard and here in Austin they went through they had already been in place twenty years it access to materials. They could set. They could be in the room internal affairs investing but they could be in a room and watching ear. I mean they have a long rights but they wanted more so now they got A. They don't have the subpoena power but they have a full-time police oversight monitor. They have a new board being selected. They've got more rights to access to materials training and make recommendations so but without the deal we worked out with them to get them not put it on about. I WANNA summarize a couple of other recent Ballot measures had dealt with police accountability and And one of the two I was pretty intimately involved with the one I wasn't involved with was two thousand sixteen. We saw one in Oakland that pass by an eighty three to seventeen margin gave the police commission the Authority to investigate officers and actually write new police policies and and hire the or fire the police chief and then I think the big one which was quite an extended tail and this is the one I did have some input into what was what was known as initiative nine forty for the entire state of Washington in two thousand and eighteen Washington had an unusual criminal statute dealing with deadly force. It was part of the homicide statutes and in Washington the statute required that prosecutors prove. Not only all the other elements of a homicide but also malice in order to prosecute a police officer and they're never been a prosecution of a police officer for the use of deadly force in Washington that became the centerpiece of initiative. Nine forty was changing that use of force standard but the the activist groups kind of in a while you're up department. Wrote a sweeping ballot measure that dealt with everything from weather officers after provide immediate first aid at the scene of shooting even at the risk of their own lives to mandatory training programs and mental health training for officers de Escalation Training Independent investigations of the use force and more many many more. This was one where the spending was different than in many of these elections. The opponents led by some Amazon dotcom billionaires or millionaires outspent police groups. The of the proponents was a group went by the name of de Escalate. Washington spent over three million dollars. The opponents police unions could only come up with two hundred and eighty thousand and passed by a sixty to forty margin. We're seeing these things. These types of ballot measures were seeing them all over the country. Now yes in in they could i. I was watching the Washington state deal. It wouldn't matter you're going to reverse the spending still pass. You got this problem in Washington state. You only got one big you see have and I think what they put one hundred thousand hot. The police GS shares. Aren't going to put any money if you're GONNA deal with. Reform is really between the unions and the activists cheese. Sheriff one cares what they've been okay. They're not going to sway anything. So but that state only a couple games the rest of the state pretty small. They couldn't play the game. You go to New York. City's unions are used but the mark is math. You see so in California and that bill passed the first round of in Porac not got it killed air. In the last days of the session. He came back the next session that balance. And that's going to an election. It would pass cal for you too so in those states. You've got people that are underwriting. Yeah and what? A past and California had not compromise. Bill Ben Agree to later on is a bill that would've utterly up ended Graham versus conner that they entered for the use of deadly force and would have done exactly what the Supreme Court said. You shouldn't do. Ingraham would look back and not from the perspective of the officer. Look back from the perspective of hindsight and so the compromise. You mentioned Brian Marble. Who's the longtime of San Diego? And now. The president of the compromise Barack was able to engineer. They're actually wrote Graham versus conner into the statutory system in California but that was a very close call could have gone the other way now while all very smart and while all this has been happening. Ron. We've seen this trend towards the election of progressive. Prosecutors you have yet at least one There in Texas in Harris County but we say progressive prosecutors all over the place. Denver has won Kim Fox in Chicago. Who is now or reelection? Perhaps most publicly Larry Krassner in Philadelphia. But there's one in Boston and Saint Louis and and that the election that I do want your views on the two thousand nine hundred thousand election of Chaser Budeina in San Francisco. This is an election that I think is pretty fascinating Bodine is the son of two self-described radicals who killed two police officers and a security guard in a brinks armored car robbery one of his parents is likely never going to get out of jail after being convicted he he ran In a there were a multitude of candidates in the election and the police unions gathered a fair amount of money. The police groups amassed seven hundred thousand dollars. Some of which came from out of states. Seattle police give gave some money. Portland Police Association gave money is all of it. Came from other jurisdictions in the state Los Angeles police protectively reported to have contributed one hundred fifty thousand dollars in that election and Buddhi was he. He wore his platform on his shirt. He said I'm going to basically not prosecute what I think of as lower level crimes what he described as quality of life crimes and those are crimes like prostitution and camping on the streets public urination and he won and he is. He's going to do that in a Ki. Cape All of his campaign promises and he is not going to be prosecuting. These lower level quality of life crimes and now the police union in San Francisco has to deal with him in some fashion. What are your thoughts on that particular election? Well I knew we afford this. Podcast is over. I'll I'll I'll aggravate Some of the police and the police unions. That's not necessarily my tent. You cannot stop an idea whose time has come. Okay Jake Leeann are large. Urban cities is they're going to be less homelessness less mental illness less drug addiction. Less poverty. All of hills society come into the large urban cities. And that's what you're seeing now. The people that live there and the idea is. We don't want the police dealing with these things. We don't want these things criminalize so now say what I've been saying. People don't like to hear it is not the role of the police to decide how they're going to police that is decided by elected officials in the voters and citizens who live there now. We saw that recently but this Oakland let their camp on the streets and Austin well backed up enough now. Said he's going to fix it but it's okay for the Police Union to tell you what they think's going to happen is do that. But the majority of people in these larger markets do not want all these resources. This rotating pudding poor people mostly mentally. Ill drug into jail now. Here's the end of that. What I think. The police unions have failed to do is to shut that problem from themselves to the elected officials and the public to pay for the social programs. That should be handling these things before it reaches the police. And you're starting to see this come up in. Cities are starting now to go in higher. Social work experts. Hire people to work with the police to go in and deal with these deals. You say so the San Francisco Yang and of course they said unique said they could've spent fifty million dollars but the public now if the police right and equality alive goes down when she it will. Then it's up to the public to fix that you see so. The police wanted to tell her. This is how we will to police. It's not their job. They can stake. They could try to include but it's not their job to do that. You know in the early days. When did whatever they want but overtime reform before changes up things? Modern the police today or not like the police. When I started half a century ago totally different the way they do their work. So you're going to continue to have these the eggs and you're going to have this continuing evolution of what the public wants police to be doing with their time and the amount of money either paying in there's an Indian but they ought the union ought to be saying you need to be hired to social workers you need to be provided the facility for the home. We have a very difficult system in Texas families. Time after time cannot get their loved ones into a mental health facility. It's almost impossible and the police deal with it. It turns out tragedy injuring or killing somebody or they killed beliefs. That should have been fixed on the front and I was. Tell the unions. I'd be spending seven thousand. Put the pressure on them. That the council off at and responsibility for this thing. Don't blame the that we had to go in and clean it up because you didn't have a social network to deal with so ron I all while all this has been going on. Police reform measures the progressive prosecutors. There been some striking developments that you might consider to be on the other side of the balance sheet. We've seen some attempted cutbacks. In collective bargaining with successful of course in Wisconsin successful in Iowa. But in neither of those states that voters actually get a say the two occasions when voters have had a say on collective bargaining cutbacks. One in Ohio when John Casick became governor there in Ohio and another in anchorage which bargains under a local audience and woke up one Wednesday morning to find a tea party majority on the city council that completely eviscerated that collective bargaining both of those got to the public and the public In campaigns led by police supported collective bargaining. You also have a few tax measures around the country The one I thought was really striking was in saint. Louis where Saint Louis. Voters approved a a tax measure that resulted in a thirty percent. Raise for Saint Louis Police officers. So what I what I'd like you to do. Ron If you're if you're willing to take on this challenge is all of this stuff together for us the progressive prosecutors. The police accountability the approval ratings in the polls that you cited the eighty eighty five percent approval ratings the no cutbacks on collective bargaining the tax measures. Put this all together for us. Yeah well I think that we we take a look at this we under I guess and I go back to begin. I'm looking at this thirty thousand eight if you're down there in the rank and file members are screaming. And you're working and you don't always stop think about. This is what I see happening. The public can separate that they support the police but not right or wrong that they in the US support the place but then they also understand the get the type of police. You're going to need in the future to do the type of work you want him to do. Where it's a lots of restraint and deescalation far more social aspect. Nb highly trained. They're going to pay for it. We're getting raises today in taxes and getting our major city. Police are making more money than I ever dreamed they would make a we. We just got huge raises in Dallas. We'RE GETTING MORE RAISES COMING UP IN FORT. Worth Austin will have paid the country. The public is willing to pay that money. And we're not having as much push back over the pensions that we used to have for a while even in places where the pension may be in trouble. The public is supporting the police. Say what what is changing. Is this vision by the public. What they think the police ought to be doing. They know you have the right to use lethal force. What we're judging is. Was that acceptable. Does that meet a public standard of whether the fleas is? This situation should or should not have taken someone left and we see every day and some of them. I know policemen privately will tell you that was poorly ham or situational. Awareness was bad. The officers made mistakes. So I think we have this evolving change and I think the unions are gotten in their selves into a trench mentality. They don't need to be. There is a war on the police. I know everybody believes there is. There is no war on police. There is a small Bertha people who walked the world to change the way they want. There's a lot of people the majority of people that are watching and they will good policing they will complete act right. They're willing to pay top dollar but for that dollar. They expect top performance from is so. There's no war on in in. So let's stop this MMA siege mentality and try to say not every activist is your enemy. There are truly people who are activist. Who really want a better police force? The way they see there are people that we cannot deal with their anarchists. They hate what I don't worry about those people but we have to have the message. Quit fighting a trey. Quit fighting about resold. You should be for reform the devil's in the details. Well we should be. Were constantly improving quality of training callously improving our social networking skilled bringing in people who are professionals in mental. We should be those things but when we resist even the simplest changes. Well we've got enough training. People don't understand no they do understand and they're willing to pay. You gotta go sit in a classroom for forty. Dang hours because they want you to go through that again. We'll go sit in the classroom for forty hours. You're making a hundred thousand a year. This well worth. I don't think that Policing is oh all this is coming. It's got everything no it's not gonna be the Senate it's not young men and women are still showing up and not in the numbers that we need. But that drives wages up so I think it will work out it were in a very very evolutionary or even revolutionary period. But it's GONNA be okay if in but we gotta be smart and we have to accept those things that we cannot change. We got to go in. It'd be smart about what we do and we can make the wages for the public. I think is more educated and attune to what they want out of their police Than they've ever been Ron I I want to build on what you just talked and I wanted to use Chicago Essay Metaphor not representing anybody in Chicago are you. I don't want to put you know. Okay no never. It's a lovely city I actually I love Chicago. Chicago got his problem. So let's say you're the the EPO P represents rank and file police officers and Chicago right now and let's say you're brought in as a consultant to the F. O. P. And and here's what's on their plate and I'm just going from news stories era. Sure so they have a police chief. Who ASKS WE'RE RECORDING? This was fired yesterday or day before yesterday for appears to be a videotape that is inconsistent with his public statements about why he was found passed out behind the wheel of a city owned vehicle in the middle of the night in Chicago. So we've got a police jeep fired. We have a district attorney that the police union has opposed who is running for reelection. You have brand spanking. New Consent Decree The person that country that was the product of a State Attorney General's initiative rather than the federal government a consent decree that the rank and file union opposed tried to intervene and was told they had intervened to lay. You have a collective bargaining agreement that has expired two and a half years ago with no at least public signs of any progress towards a new agreement. You have a mayor that they opposed in the election process and there's been some very public sniping back and forth between the mayor and the Police Union Aganst we're recording this just a couple of days ago. The mayor was heard to make a very negative statement about a union executive board member when she didn't know her microphone was hot in a in a public setting. You've got a what appears to be this huge conflict between members of the public and the Police Union spinning out in public discussions at all times It's it's really a I. Think the most challenging major city police a problem in this country right now I'd even put at higher than NYPD. So you're you're the consultant. You're coming in. You're getting the big box while you're from Texas. They're not they're not going to be a big bucks a someone from Oregon. But you're getting the big bucks dried. Yeah that's should be. And what do you tell them here? You say to them something. Like look guys you gotTa follow this three point plan or five point plan or ten points or whatever it is. What advice are you going to give them? And before you answer that. I'm just using them as a metaphor because police you all over the country are facing pieces of this and they will be facing or maybe facing the sort of ballot measures that you have been talking about. They're facing the recruitment and retention problems. You're talking about so. This is just really a metaphor for your advice to the country so all yours yeah Alot know all the never never publicly criticize any union leader Virginia earlier. Because I'm not standing there in a full of people screaming at me not fix the problem. Now I'll tell you I'll use generic phone some AKI working for a police department. The union out of Texas very dysfunctional positioning the contract and not been renewed in two years outside cheat came in lots of racial stress very controversial shooting. And all this and the union everything was a war in the union. Asked me to come in and I went and I've been fiddling with it for years. I'm almost done but when I sat down with I listened to everything they had to say. Anna Elsa is what you're doing working. They said well. No CONTRACTS RUN OUT IS IN PLACE. You have ray just two thousand sixteen. I said we're GONNA approach is totally different. And I want you to do these things and I want and I started. I had them go out and meet with Local community group. That was acting American. Go start talking to them about what they thought needed to be done. I handled sit down with the chief even though they say in each other and start having a conversation of what his vision was for the the. I had a meeting with the mayor. It'll grew in the top people and I'll listen the thing that she said. I went back and read through all of the newspaper articles looking for the key coins and this is Santa in a simplified form. Told them to do all these things that the mayor thinks would be a win for her that she uses a win but the members won't those things are nal incompatible and I want you to start thinking differently than you thought before it also there the board and the Union. The department is minorities but they were not acting on the union. I had him go and told them. I'm not going to table without African Americans on the TITTY Go out and find some people that are you know. They're willing to work hard for the Union in the Department. And he did said we're not gonNA show with an all white male older veteran. Bo. We're GONNA come into and we're not going to start off with a battle and so once. I figured out what the mayor won't I walked in? I said what is it that she wants that. You really think that bad was a cheap all here now. You know handle liking. He won't stay forever but he actually wants some things. What can we give to him where he feels that he's got a win? And what do we need to have in? Once I started getting that out to the table I just got the union to quit just being against it because they hate the mayor. They didn't support her. They didn't support to cheat. And we slowly have just kind of built this relationship. It's our apartment six or seven hundred officers but the principles are of the site complex. You're dealing with Chicago. But they've got to have some place where they have conversation. What is it that the mayor wants that you can live with? What does chief won't? What does the public on? So what are the activists will he say and and I know this is very simplifies for more complex than this but you didn't have all the social ills of Chicago. The Union might want to start building a relationship that don't have and I'm not picking on the all. The major unions have pugh relationships with any of the community groups. A lot of them. Don't and I'll tell them go. Start meeting with these groups they wanNA better police department. They want better city. And if you embrace the concept of reform you embrace it. We Need Quality People. We need training. We need professionals and we need help. We need help from the state and federal government the city to deal with the poverty and crime in Chicago. Let's focus on that. Then you can start looking for those little lakes that will start tying to game. I use this term. I don't say public I'll say it here. You haven't set the hook if you go to the table and you just won't and you don't care what they want. The Hook will never get set. It's one of the other side of me that they're going to get things that they want. They're willing to listen to things jewel. So I tell the group when we get everybody in line concentrate on what? They need to have a winning contracts. Then tell us say we'll do those things that may be too simplified for you like I said I flew to Chicago to monitor. It might take six months or a year to get. Everybody focused. What they're doing now from both sides is not working working from past due mayors. And it's not working for the Ron. I have a little bit of a guilty confession here. You know I've I've spent a most of my career practicing and Pacific northwest where we have binding arbitration as the last step in the bargaining process. We'd I in a meet and confer setting and when I started practicing I started practicing longtime ago when I started practicing I looked at the binding arbitration statutes and I was like a kid with a toy box. I thought these things were wonderful. Here you have a whole bunch of criteria costal living total compensation and all that sorta stuff you have a bunch of criteria. They're they're pretty objective. You can go out and attach numbers to them. You can analyze them and you can present them And it's a way of getting a neutral third. Party's take on what your wages and benefits should be and I thought that was the be all and end all How to accomplish the best results for members? I don't think that anymore and I think in that many years ago I do think binding arbitration is important. I think it's necessary for those occasions when things go badly wrong but I think the greatest successes in bargaining are achieved by police unions when they have relationships. You used that word. I want to expand a little bit when they have relationships with elected officials with the mayor with city council members. I tell my clients. You're not meeting with every city council member on a periodic basis for coffee. You're missing a bet you. You need to be talking to them. Don't don't ask her anything when you talk to him. Listen to what they have to say. You need relationships with the business community. You need to be joining. The Chamber of Commerce with the Chamber of Commerce is something that you might think as anesthetic to your base acute values. You need to be joining him. You need to be out there talking to community groups you may have for example a neighborhood associations you need to be appearing before them and discussing with them. You need to be engaging with the activist groups to the extent. They're willing to sit down with you and talking with you. It's only through those relationships that you are going to end up accomplishing whatever. Police Union wants to accomplish the best wages hours and working conditions for their members. Sure you gotta be able to beat them over stick over the over the head with a stack in binding arbitration from time to time. If you've got that as a last resort you gotta be able to do that. You got to put up the good fight but it's better to avoid the good fight in almost every circumstance so that's my somewhat guilty confession about that. Well I agree with you. A hundred percent We never had it here and there were some chances where we might get it. And I'll tell you I. There are days when I'm bargaining drags on and getting tested. I wish I could just stop and go Dr Tracy. But here's the way I see it today. And complexities of policing the amount of money being spent on the police not just wages and benefits. The train equipment is expensive but I want the union and I want the employer figure this out at the table and mutually walk off is this is the best deal we can do in when either side knows as a prey. The Union President. Look to go. We ought to take this deal. Everybody will be happy. And then some member says well let's go to arbitration. We might get more or the city manager. Bring back the council ago Yeah but let's just go to arbitration. Maybe we'll get more see. I don't want anyone to go anywhere. I don't care how long they'll be pushing and shoving. There may be a little push back or election but in the end when we come to a deal particularly where. I work here in Texas. We all shake hands. It's the best deal that we could get. Were forced to listen to both sides in my views never change. I've never been for traces but my the way US used to start with confrontation and now only use it. If I have to. They have to know we will do. But I'm putting more and more pressure when I sit down with a group the first question I asked the group. They'll give me a list of stuff they won't and I'll ask them this. How many votes do you have on the Council to get this? If they can't tell me they're not prepared for the game. They got to know it. Talk and know what the council the Mayor Thinks win. You don't have to greet all but I know what you think is a win man if we could just keep this on the Mary Council. Won't the police do this or that? And you can live with that except that exchange. This is what you need and I find that crosses better is linked easier stressful in oftentimes dirty and nasty. But we get a deal and we get a deal. Nobody came in and made anybody any centrally goes. Last contract was three years. Austin was two years but you know what we both walked off and we've not had a lot of bad teams left on either side. Now now ron I I do have to part with you there because binding arbitration Fan for those situations but rarely only when you need to run. You've been really generous with your time with us. But I do. Watch your take on a couple of national issues. If you feel comfortable doing the last last years we've seen a number of police boycotts out. There I think most notably there was a boycott Nike and the wake of an Ad Fiji Him Colin Kaepernick And of course there's a national comments on Cabernet Shirk In New York. You have the Detectives Endowment Association and the PBA Boycotting Dunkin donuts You have the Miami F. O. P. That boycotted beyond say's tour. There's boycotts all all over the place. What's your take on that that an effective strategy not anymore? Now let me say this. I'm not criticizing and I'm not just saying this to cover myself. I'm not criticizing membership wanted. Something Union major season and I was involved in the COP killer. Deal WITH ICE tit. On a national level ended up in California got shareholders to get rid of him. But I I I'll if the time I will also separate that someone putting out records by an entertainment company. Time Warner to kill. The police is a separation Colin Kaepernick or beyond in these others. Don't condone give you. This'll be another line that I'm sure I'll get a response from made the police union. There's a fender of the American flag. Co said to them. You ought to be defending the flat. I'm separating the right of an individual believe whatever they wish I would not be happy L. A. Won't the witness someone trampling on the flag burning? That's me personally but has been in a town of the most racially divided nation racially divided issues among the police. The police getting in the ball. And these things that are really about people's rights to protest their perception of police injustice and won't change that that the unions coming out and attacking mostly black people if people call her over there right to protest. I think the better role should be is man bites dog not the reverse. I would've told the national unions. I would have preferred when these issues come up and are starting to see a Lotta unions do this now go to the corporation totally NFL. We say we support Colin Capture Knicks. Right if he believes he doesn't wanNA kneel as his bed. But here's the deal. Put Your money and let us help figuring out how to deal with this. Divide in the community and not have the police perceived to be currently over there with the far right that may be their personal political views. But that's not the role of the police. The police are the thin. Blue Line that stands there and lets activist and Nazis both have to say something while they provide law and order inspect. I think at a time. What message does it send to the minority community when you attack beyond side or Syrup? Sixteen year old kid rights pig on your cuff. You ever right push back. You have a right to go talk to the manager and say we're not going to be disrespected but we always boycott. How thin skinned are you say? We're supposed to be thick skinned people who can take and we've come across. Oftentimes I'm using Berry Eric. We come across his bullies crushing. You know these. I think the better approaches to challenge these corporations when things happen or these events happen. Say That's great. But what are we going to do together to educate republic out the police? And what are we gonNA do to solve these problems? I'm not critical about Bennett myself. And you and I wouldn't be afraid to do it in the future but I think we have to be smarter about it and not let what are individual members. Personal beliefs are be the position of the you say. I don't care what they do individually but I do think you're constantly saying pushing back against people who are protesting legally then I think that creates another divide. It makes us painted as being on one side of this debate. We're in the middle of this debate. Were there for law and order with there to protect you were there to protect the constitution. We're not. They're getting those types of debates that one side of the racial divide than the other. That's just my humble opinion. Took after fifty years of looking at this and and run. I want to wind up with a topic and and I will take the lead on this so both of us can get fired as a result of this every job. I want to take a lead on this. We have seen in the last few years. The National Police Unions getting more and more involved in national politics. We saw for example. In the two thousand sixteen election we saw the national fraternal order. Police Endorsement of president trump being used very effectively. I think by President Trump in that campaign the National F. O. P. is already issued one press release supporting president trump in the impeachment inquiry. And we've we've also seen already in this election year in two thousand nineteen. We've seen another national police organization. The International Union of Police Associations. They already have endorsed. President trump for re election without even knowing who has democratic opponent is going to be and I look at that and I gotTa tell you it all rubs me the wrong way not because of my political views. It rubs me the wrong way. Just simply from the standpoint of the effective use of politics by unions. It seems to me. Unions can't be identify with any political party or they're going to lose in the end. It believes you need. You can make an argument ought to stay out of national politics entirely because they're not that much advantage to being involved in national politics as opposed to the local political level. But when we're in the situation that we're in right now where we see and identification of two major police union groups if the apple pay is can accurately be called the police union. Who when we see this identification of these two groups that have between them. They claim about four hundred five hundred thousand members with one political party warning signs there and wondering if your reaction is the same you well. I will say it's to face of me but I came in to this business. Believe in the right of the pushing being bombed the political process And I would say we weren't identified with any party per se but in nineteen eighty eight clete dead and they owed it indoors In the presidential race is George Bush for Dukakis Blonde backward now moving forward to today I will say this. The Democratic Party has is dependent heavily on African American boat. A lot of people call her and and they won't speak to that they're not as dependent on even private sector unions anymore so they kinda because of all the rhetoric and all that they've driven a lot of a police out of their camp Own statewide basis and local basis and lot individual police officers are concerned anyway so and then trump comes along and I will say this for him. He has shown law respect for the police. He goes out of his way to be respectful for the police in that they felt they had a champion that they do not have under Obama In some other president so we but now there's GONNA be a price to pay for this even though. I don't know that there's no national police. You need to endorse any Democrat for President United States in the current political world. It's just not gonNA happen so you'd have to stay out or they just pick the side. I I will tell you they're lia. They're in for trump trump win. God bless trump loses. Then you do like you would do in any political process. You go in with the Democrats and figure out how that they can get the issues. They won't resolve and you can live. What is it device? Yes does it go and create more havoc with trying to close the racial buy. Yes but that has already cast so. There are countries where the police are not allowed to be in dorking political candidates. They can be involved issues. And that's probably where we should be on the national level. But that that that's not gonNA roll back so I think it's GonNa play itself out. I don't think they hope easier. Neko are you really have any choice if you were to poll their members? So that's that's going to play out that's just the way it is well Bryan. Thanks so much for this conversation and for your perspective on all of these issues you you really have been one of the masters of your trade over the entire time that certainly. I have been practicing. And there's a lot of police unions and police officers and deputy sheriff sue whether they know it or not a lot to your efforts on their behalf. So thank you so much for participating in this podcast. Well thank you. Hopefully we'll get everybody talking and not shouting. I'm listening folks. That's been Ron delord talking to us from Texas and we hope you join us in the future for another edition of the eller. 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DNB: Biden Chooses Kamala Harris, Who Is Involved In A Bizarre Knights Templar Story That No One Talks About (8 12 20)

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34:17 min | 2 months ago

DNB: Biden Chooses Kamala Harris, Who Is Involved In A Bizarre Knights Templar Story That No One Talks About (8 12 20)

"Welcome to the drive time news. Thirty minutes five per patrons jam packed with news of the day from a perspective of truth to liberty and justice. This is Monica Peresce. I'm Brad big. How our top story. The VP pick for Biden. Who did he give the red rose to? He gave the red rose to his favorite Comma Harris the first. Asian. American. Presidential vice presidential candidate. Is She Asian American the? Wall Street Journal. And they called her Capital Black. Not African. American, maybe because They don't recognize Jimmy. She's too far removed because you went through Jamaica but didn't Bob Marley Jamaican said if you're black, you are African, this is very interesting because. CARMELA They were very clear on how to pronounce her name, and if you don't pronounce the right, you are sexist I learned that yesterday. The stories yesterday the day before that were grinding everybody to say, you can't say this. You can't do that. Otherwise it's sexist otherwise, it's racist seem to be crafted for Kamla. Because of her various, there's questions around people will argue that she is Asian American as opposed to African American because of her background she's from royalty. So try to go ahead and neutralize any of those criticisms of her is what they were doing I. Did know a young woman as young women at the time co worker who is from India and her name was Kayla and very picky about how you pronounced it and men were they from money like the class system over there seemed I got the impression. Then I kinda got the impression same impression when I had a friend from Mexico at in my. Class at Harvard that the people who get out of those like super super class oriented countries and end up like in a program like mine. So I was just a ragamuffin literally highschool dropout token poor kid at Harvard. But the people who get in from other countries aren't did didn't seem to be like that they are the elite of the other countries they have to pay I, got a full scholarship but they so that's when I realized. She was kind of like appalled at are casual habits and everything. So I had never thought of Kamla as being of that upper echelon, but her mother was so. Accomplished that I would be surprised if they hadn't had that head start of being like, Uber High Class from India. Yes, she dad was. Pretty well off and she's also married to. Hollywood lawyer. So there's a lot of things in her background and her history that. People that would maybe support her would criticize her and she's a cop and she's a cop that is what I mean, and that's not even the biggest thing on her record as. But Spe- talk about how you could possibly. Allies. All the things that are galvanizing the left right now. Yes. You're Biden apparently had his arm twisted. If you WANNA taken of like that to name a woman of color to commit to naming a woman of color say it say it I will name women of Color Been Penny, and then he picked this woman who is if? Represents none of why what they claim what the what they want that visual to represent and for me I had the same sentiment as many many tweets. What I eroneous -ly coined in two thousand, sixteen about trump. They are saying about this team Hashtag lose on purpose. This is a pretty terrible ticket. and. Kamala Harris. Kamala Knights templar Harris. I like to call. Brief story, you're not going to hear this anywhere else are not going to talk about this on the mainstream think about if this were trump with this set of circumstances caller Katie kt. Kt nightstand KT cake. Knights templar. So here's what happened. If you haven't heard the story back in two thousand Fifteen Kamla Harris was the attorney general for the State of California that year her deputy director for community affairs a man named Brandon Keel he was arrested for impersonating a police officer and for the misuse of his government ID badge, which is commonly Harris a office badge. Here's what was going on. Keel he was working with two other people's a woman name Tonita Hayes and a man named David Henry who you'll learn a moment is also known as the grandmaster. The three of them. Set letters originally this is what triggered an investigation to precincts around the state police precincts around the state of California announcing that David Henry kills friend. had been elected as the grand master of the fraternal Masonic Police Department order is that what it's called what's the exact name of it? If you have it. Handy. Masonic fraternal police order gotTA. and. In that announcement they said that they are going to be their jurisdiction is going to supersede that of these police precincts Senate to, and they would be giving him special information and Intel that they could not get with their own technology in their own investigative. and. Then they set up appointments now in the letter and to set up these appointments Brandon Keel commanders guy would call the police precincts and he would introduce himself as deputy director Brandon Keel which is the name of his title and Kamala Harris his office, and he would use his badge as authority to get in to these meetings. So he was using US leveraging his job with Kamala Harris to get these meetings where he was claiming that this guy had. had been elected. The grandmaster today are going to be superseding the jurisdiction. What he told the police chiefs in person is brandon and David they told them that they were descendants of the knights templar and that their police agency had been in existence for three thousand years. And they claimed that the. PD had sovereign jurisdiction over thirty three states and over all of Mexico, and they were donning black jumpsuits with badges that they had made to look like the the Knights templar bad. Who exactly was this? This is Brandon Keel, David David Henry Antoneta. Hayes what's up guys with such certainty in the world right now, the best way to have true security is by growing your own food and. Neighbors feed and seed in. SMYRNA Georgia, they got you covered the offer garden supplies, vegetable plants, chickenfeed bird feed farm supply. Everything you're Gardner farm needs even host a farmer's market on Saturdays from ten am to four PM, and right now propaganda report listeners only they're offering ten percent of all online purchases at neighbors feed and seed dot com just type in coupon code. Prop. Pr Up. All caps. Check out and if you have any questions, give them a call at six, seven, eight, six, five, three, eight, three, eight. Okay and which one works for Kamarudin Keel, right? Yeah. So Henry and killed did all the talking according to the investigator to Neta Hayes? She was just of there. She was the girlfriend who was there with David Henry and the thing that they were arrested for it. Was Impersonating police officer and I said the misuse of government identification badges also found a bunch of weapons and police cars all kinds of crazy stuff at their house is well I. Guess they all hung out or lived in the same house according to the investigation. There was a statement made by Kamal, is off Kimball is office and they said that Brandon Keel is being put on administrative leave. They didn't fire. He's on paid administrative leave at the time. And they tried to write it off as the only statement ever made by her about this I tried to write this off as though this were a low level staffer that she were not very much involved with it. That is not accurate. He was the. Deputy Director for community affairs and he received special thanks was part of the special project team during her two thousand fourteen truancy report she. Thanked him personally in the group that he worked with and some of the articles say that she directly managed his group. So she worked closely with him and that truancy report from two thousand fourteen was removed from the Department of the California. Department of Justice Website Dude. There do it. So have you ever seen a-? Yeah. I got it on the way back machine. So it was was it removed before you ever started investigating does at a recent thing when did they remove it to you think I don't know you don't know I was surprised that it wasn't there. I had to go find a loud and you looked at it and was there anything Too, long to really like sixty pages. It's interesting because two thousand and thirteen is two thousand fifteen. Is there thousand fourteen the one that? He'll what's It's her truancy work that she did with truant children. They were Doug s investigates what it sounds like. Yeah, and. There is a summary of the two thousand fourteen report there. So you can find a Suslin, his name that doesn't have the special. Thanks. Yeah but the. Name is missing right so that that's when you say okay I could have written stuff coincidence until this weird stuff starts happening here. Now it gets really weird fast forward to the trial or the hearings e initial hearings of three of them. Brandon Keel who worked for Kamala His charges were dismissed. Maybe that's a benefit of working in the office. I I don't know maybe not what I am curious about though is the fact that. Tonette to Hayes who was charged with the same thing as him except less less severe charges and the police investigator herself said that NATO Hayes was kind of just along for the ride. was convicted yet keel was not convicted wasn't even charged to charge. was dismissed. Nobody's her as far as I can tell them the Internet nobody's heard from head she goes. For a little while from what I could find we wasn't a various was it wasn't a long time, but she did for a little while and. David Henry the third guy. He didn't get charged either because the day before his trial or his hearing he dropped dead. Oh. So this was so the first guy who works for. The were dropped the other chick was convicted but this guy before it could even go forward like pretrial hearing. And he? He. So he got no chance to say anything. Yes, and he's the one who was saying everything because could write that off to coincidence on video where he has about seven or eight youtube videos on YouTube page that still exist downloaded. Videos yeah and they're still he's still got hardly any views or no following on their he's dead but the videos still hardly any of us. Is this the guy who is in the Guinness? This is the guy who is pictured with Bill Clinton. Masonic gown he's pictured with maxine waters and giving her an award from this fraternal police order. He's pictured with the governor of CAL. He's got all these pictures of himself with these politicians and he was at Ferguson after the Michael Brown result came out this guy look people can place themselves and get themselves in pictures of people I understand that. This guy did I ever tell you I read this book called the Ice Man I. Think it was called the ice man it was about a Hitman I. think he was in jail and he said that his methods to make something look accidental was to put I drug that literally gave you heart attack on the spot into a spray bottle of water, and he would go up to person and just spray him right in the face with a before the guy realized what happened he was drafted. So when Breitbart drop dead on the sidewalk of a heart attack, I wondered about that. And this. So it is I. Think it's in evidence and they had the heart attack gun that was in a Congressional hearing on the committee on assassinations where they would shoot a dart, the made of ice that would penetrate your skin in like a super needle point hole that no whatever find and when the ice melted, the drug would be released into your system and there'd be no evidence undetectable an autopsy. That's my understanding of it so. To me, that's a possible homicide. Gary. Yeah, and it should at least be investigated with these weird circumstances and what he said in the video, here's what he said in. Almost every one of these videos he said that the police investigator for Los Angeles County, put a hit out on his life and we did a podcast where we played those clips. Wow. Wow. Because you know I think Jeff Adachi who was the elected public defender in San? Francisco. Who got the Kate silently accused? Off completely and he really his death least superficially I. This doesn't I. Mean I'm less shocked by this. The more I think of other examples. Yep, and it wasn't like he just made one video he made seven does he said who who did he think have you investigator for the Los Angeles County Police Department because this is a guy obviously highly connected to police and politicians. So if there was a head out, he might actually have gotten wind of it right and forgot to. At least part the investigator testified to she says she asked Brandon Keel if Kamala knew what he was or what she would think of what he was doing and she knew of it and he said, yeah, she not only knew of it. She approved of it and these guys the Brandon. Keel did the guy who worked for her yes, and this is what he told the investigator and he's doing doing this stuff out in the open. It's not like they were hiding. They had a website they have pictures of themselves. They were promoting it. These are guys who seem to believe what they were saying. Kamal's never been asked about this and these videos that he made. He specifically calls for Kamala Harris to help him and Brandon. Keel on multiple occasions, multiple videos, and nobody's ask him all about this. This is your potential future V or P. Let's keep talking about that in a second when the New Yorker magazine asked Mark Zuckerberg how he gets his news. He said the one new source he definitely follows is tech me for more than two years and nearly seven hundred episodes. The tech me M- ride home has been Silicon Valley's favourite Tech News podcast the tech name ride home is a daily podcast. Thirteen to twenty minutes long and every day by five PM. Eastern. It's all the latest Tech News, but it's more than just headlines You could get a robot to Redo headlines. The. Tech name ride home is all context around the latest news of the day. It's all the top stories, the top posts and tweets and conversations about those stories as well as behind the scenes analysis. The tech me ride home is like T. L. D. R. as a service, the folks at tech me more online all day reading everything so they can catch you up. So listen to the one podcast anyone who's anyone in silicon. Valley listened to every single day search your podcast. APP, now for ride home and subscribe to the tech me M-, ride home podcast we're very grateful to tech meme ride home for showing us some love and support. I. Would Love It. If our listeners would show them a little love and support take listen to their podcast. It's great subscribed to them on your favorite podcasting platform I make them happy to be here. They're only here for this week. So if you could run over to your favorite platform, you probably on it right now and give the tech ride home a little subscribe. Love that would be great. I don't feel like we're finished with the camera Harris thing though yeah, just. The guy was pleading for help to Kamala to Barack Obama to Louis Farrakhan. To the UN and high collection he was talking about the fraternal order. He was talking about how they're not gonNA take this how this is GonNa be a fight and good. Did you ever investigate that particular entity like do a google search of that and like Sheriff Israel or? I haven't I haven't. He was works. International Brotherhood of police and he did DC training on being a cop with the FBI all that stuff kind of funnels up to the top. Anyway. This is I think. I, I'm sure just like with everybody else with Michelle Obama and others s Rick Perry stuff that we could have investigated in the past we no longer can I'm guessing that she's going to be pretty buttoned up. Kamla. This is an intriguing thread to pull on. My guess is that most of the places that leads to will you'll get a four zero four error. Yeah. Yes, and that is what some of the links that we had in the original podcasts. We did about this they're gone because the stuff has been removed, but you can find a lot of this information in the same in the archives, the newspaper in San Francisco and these videos which I'm putting together Youtube video where I'm GonNa show some of this guy's videos that probably have up at some point tonight. So. Here's a guy pleading for his life asking for Kamala Harris to help him a guy pictured with maxine waters pictured with Bill, Clinton full sonic gear, and his buddy works for Kamala saying help me and help your employees because we're being persecuted and. They're gonNA, kill me, and then he dies and nobody's ever asked them all about this ever. That's bizarre. Go to the guys twitter page Brandon Keel. If it's still there, he used to me not the guy who died that's not the guy who died well, do we know this is the guy we haven't heard from since two thousand fifteen. All is tweets leading up to that point or basically about Kamala Harris, and there's some weird pictures of what looks like ritual initiation of what is clear my guy claimed to. Be Government workers on his page and not a tweet since then it's all gone silly it is true. There's definitely I I think the more that this the mass thing and everything appears to be ritual initiation the more we can look that there are some cabals at the top couple Kamla at the top but I wanted to just touch on another politician who hat is officially in the ring as of yesterday Georgia's own Marjorie Taylor green just a little quick inside about her are you aware that she's now the? Republican candidate for congressional sees here because she's she's Q. and she likes on so now I a lot of times I think stuff like this as a dialectical setup and I'm sure they'll try to make lemonade out of it. She seems one hundred percent authentic to me and everybody ran for the hills with her from Fox News to every Republican out there even people she is praised and she stands by the things that she says she's very kind of Sean Hannity Rush Limbaugh she talks about them she that she Says stuff they say about Sharia law and probably black lives matter I didn't hear her say specifically about that and then when they. So that's her thing. Completely not like me at all. She was she was sympathizing or admiring Liz Cheney I that makes my blood run cold given what Dick Cheney's up to. But the thing about cue which everything leaves with Q. Supporter Blah Blah Blah. So I thought I ever and I clicked through an AJC, click through on everything I could not find the kind of smoking gun. Oh my gosh. Across the headlines just now as on mail online meet camera. Harris's smoking gun lawyer something husband. The husband is going to be in the story as you predicted but anyway. So Marjorie? Taylor. Green I, it was hard to actually see what the they were really coming down. She's accused support so. I guy in the local TV station interviewed her for half an hour. I just tweeted it at Monica parade show and around halfway through Ram fifteen minutes in he asks her about yes or no answer are you a follower of Cunanan? That's what he asked her. Yes or no answers a bullshit question right and so she didn't answer yes or no and went on and on. I thought I think she is but then something something made me think she wasn't let me just give you the one minute on what how she answered the question I'm concerned about deep state our government like so many others fake news. The force things about Russia Gate. left-leaning slanted media I'm concerned about all these things like many. Americans they don't understand why. They don't talk about Obama Kate, Carter Page Flynn the all these things should be reported and. She said she went on to say. This such. She said at first unlike, oh, she has a supporter that I was like what she said. I've only ever seen patriotic sentiments come out of that source q Annan. She said it wrong. She said it wrong. So. It's it's valued at that is that is strange I have and she wasn't I'm telling you I was watching this and you know I I make typing on purpose right? So I always assume everybody's full of Shit even though some of them aren't, it's called a type two error and that's the error I prefer when it comes to skepticism and she still falls outside my a wide arms for in Authentic I. Think She's authentic. Suggest you watch it but She then said in the end, there's only one person I have not met personally who I truly believe in and haven't met him. But I know him well, and that's Jesus Christ. So she. Which I, which also seemed authentic to me, but she did so that in my mind was her saying I don't necessarily believe in this guy. Or the source even say it was a person, but it was a source but I don't. I don't disagree with anything he says basically. But. I don't believe in him or follow him and that's That's what she said and I just wanted to. Say. It wasn't. It wasn't like I said one thing and you guys bent shape she's she didn't even distance. She's got. She's got Moxie I'll tell you that. She's going to get to vote. She's GonNa she gonna go go to. Congress. She's GonNa go into Congress and now that will be interesting. She said she might get Cynthia mckinney. D-. Oh Yeah Cynthia, mckinney was a congresswoman in Georgia who stood up against nine eleven commission and she was she was gerrymandered out of existence and I think I think that I honestly think the guy who thinks Tom is going to tip over. Was the Guy who replaced her so that's what you're going to get a big. Welcome to our latest sponsor, an avid member of the propaganda report community, true amp science experts, and. 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The death rate I don't think has gone up I believe it's gone down even admitted that recently. Have to actually say sarcasm. Just. Out of safety, we do lie about children. We don't want anybody to get sick but way that they propagate this stuff they're trying to make us think that all the kids are going to die when the death rates go on down there saying the infection rate is going up it's just the positive test rate and that's what's making crazy I posted the chart yesterday on twitter. At my first show that it's it barely fit on the page the straight up the line through the ceiling of cases and the death. The number of deaths was like it was barely above on that kind of you know it's not a log scowls like regular matic, whatever geometrics go and you could see like. The. The number of deaths is is just a hair above zero when put on a scale of how the cases have gone through the roof because of the testing. So to me, I continue to believe that just some people. Come up with a positive test because the peace yard test is designed to amplify. Fragmentary degenerated genetic material. That's what it's four. It's four like old stuff. It wasn't even used in current murder cases and stuff because it's not considered forensically as reliable as stuff and I mean, we're talking to people with live blood samples. This is a weird thing to use the guy who invented it said it cannot detect infectious diseases and I would also surmise without evidence but I think it's worth investigating given that a third of all colds are coronavirus. You could just anyone who's ever had a winter cold could be a candidate for positive on this having no impact on whether they're sick I have to say this one more thing. That I would like to see if positive tests correlate in any way with an individual getting sick in the future because as cinematic viral shedders has already a stretch that has not been proven if anything were even remotely plausible, it would be pre-symptomatic virus shedders. So if people test positive and they never have symptoms, I would posit not one of those. People has ever transmitted and and covert nineteen and gotten somebody else sick ever I will say that the nineteen eighteen newspapers also talk about a symptomatic virus spreaders. They don't use the exact virus spreader so far about over one hundred years this has been a theoretical unproven thing when something's been unproven for one hundred years, I would posit that it is unprovable. Speaking of the test prior school reopening most of the schools we're GONNA. Start virtual in Georgia and. Most of them are going to have face mandates. Except a couple asks mandate face met phase you have to have a face. Kick them schemes optional. Was a school in Paul, county that made the news because of the crowded hallway and there was another school that my friend lives in this district her kids go there and I kept asking they change it to virtual yet and they never did and I said to her about three weeks ago a month ago I said I've a feeling that your county and your kids schools are going to be a major news story because I think they're being set up to be an example for something and today on the cover CNN is. Woodstock Georgia and Etto High School, and how the number of viruses has at least four, hundred, seventy, eight students and teachers had to quarantine after possible exposure in the first five days of school by Tuesday that number swelled to nine hundred and twenty-five students and staff nearly one third of the district schools which teach thirty thousand students from elementary to high school has now been impacted and they have now shutdown high school until August thirty first is it be reasonable to wait for someone to actually have some symptoms. I guess sir, in a hurry to make an example because real takeaway from the story is these red necked. In North Georgia mountains, they're the reason they don't believe in the virus I think is a hoax and their anti mask, and that's why this is spreading. That's the way. There are two things about that though yes that's what they're doing that through they're using. That's less than there. That's the lesson they're teaching one hundred percent but I also think that this is a mechanism by which they're getting people to test. Oh, absolutely. Yeah and that's how you're getting this huge surge because if you have seventy million kids in this country and every and say half of them are school age going back to school in and require tests or two thirds of them. That could be fifty million tests right off the bat and I would say out of any fifty million people. In any sample anywhere in any period of time, he would get up to ten million positives whether there's any illness or not. I don't think they're testing all of these kids I. Think they're I think they're basing it on a small amount of tests and it's exposure that requires a quarantine I know that in Texas I think it was it was if One person and seven or so had been pool testing I think it's pool testing is what I think is one person would have been tested and everybody is is made presumptive positive I. Don't know I think. Maybe, the doing pool testing, there's a lot of lying going on here. Oh yeah by the testing, but what they want is a high number of tests. So I don't think they're random sampling kids and saying, okay, we have three kids who were tested. One was positive. They're saying they're thirty kids in this class. We are counting that as thirty tests. And however many positives I think they're probably they're probably. At. This point it is. There's a lot of evidence. Let's say it's anecdotal for now but it is coming from everywhere that they are calling positives win people haven't even stayed long enough in the long lines to get the test I've heard four different people attest to that personally. So that's definitely happening. So I wouldn't put it past them to say here's a class of thirty kids. We're putting him in the pool testing the thirty came up positive were not then what they're supposed to do is take. Every one of those thirty people and individually test them. My guess is they're not doing that at all plus it's happening too quickly it would be three to five days lag for each step in that process. So they're probably I assume or I would guess that they're gonNA take all thirty of those and call them a thirty thirty positives. Yes and that kind of collides with the narrative that Atlanta's new hotbed that Birch has been worried about and I think we will continue to hear more about Georgia being. via hotbed of political activity. I want to talk more about the Big City Diaspora in the patron fifteen about what we're doing that is fine and Russia it is trying to. Kill, the world. Oh and I have to tell you about the Portland Da. The story. I don't think I did and I'm going to tell you. About the Emmy nomination that Brad Pitt received. Find it very interesting. Find your drive time news blast every weekday afternoons, the proper dot com or your favorite podcasting platform or the propaganda report podcast feed. 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Politics As Usual- Paul Howard & Christian Wise Smith

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1:26:27 hr | 4 months ago

Politics As Usual- Paul Howard & Christian Wise Smith

"Thank you for listening to this podcast wine production now available on Apple. PODCASTS podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast. Look at this if you go eight, hundred sixty, five, keeping here to Atlanta. We don't get off black police officers in nineteen forty eight. Talking about over a hundred years of history where police officers are all white me. And there is no accountability for killing black folks for Lynch and black. Folks for robbing and raping and whatever police officers have done to rob people throughout ish. And so that is the systemic oppression and racism that folks talk about when we're talking about systemic racism that white people were or people who either don't know, or don't care about history fail to acknowledge. Do we need to know that system in history so that we can break away from it because the accidents that I'm hearing that this man took that night by kicking somebody standing on his body. It perpetuates everything that is just this criminal. A diverse individual. The dishes here about what is it? Is He a family man? Is Late I'm all. All of a beach, Oh, a kiss showgirl in go took my keys. And DNA show a believer march owner. Is, all real real. This expedition I am to. Now? The following experience is not a test. The compensation of stores experienced on this podcast meant to be an expression of purpose and truth this show, probably a title expeditiously is a free exchange of ideas and opinions, no judgment, no preconceived beliefs, no fear you're encouraged to share your thoughts and ask any question as long as it's done speed mass through true love and respect for others that we will change the world and speak truth to power for short a time now without further do this is expeditiously. I'm TI hairs. Exhibition Host Gypsy I. Harris Now here as we have conversations. That pushed the coach and the Community Pool and we have people who are relevant to the discussion. sense today. My two guests are in the political sector. I will not do minority introduction because I think is my responsibility to that. Tell you who they are rather than. Allow them to show you who they are. So I mix it up a bit today, and I give both of you say a minute or so to introduce yourself to our listening audience. Christian. Would you like to go first well? First of all, appreciate you for having me on the show and honor. And My name is Kristen Wildsmith I grew up in a justice system, says ninety Ohio I grew up seeing my mom in and out of jail in so overcoming that no that paying grandma in and out of jail, serving life for murder, being kicked out of school in Highschool didn't I were graduate and so to go from that to now being an attorney. Working in the justice. Justice, arena justice space. For Fourteen County Da. That's why Iran because there's nobody like me leading. Any Criminal Justice Organization and I think that it takes somebody who has that background go in and make the changes, so that's why I was able to connect to a lot people. That's why I was able to offer. People hope that we could change the justice system, and that's why. I'm an attorney that I would say. That fights for for people normally are overlooked right on right on. You and I met on your campaign for district attorney in the primary and you galvanized the the interest and intentions of an entire community and the new generation now over to my left. Brother who? His reputation precedes him and I don't know if you really need to give an introduction to yourself without with, allow you to well first of all I. Am really pleased to be. Glad to get a chance to be here with you, and the be with Christian and you get a chance to talk with your audience directly, but my name is Paul. Howard Junior first of all I'm a husband. And I am a father I've got three children. One son and two daughters. I. Grew up in south Georgia and a little place call midfield and I'm sure most of your audience has never heard. A town with only three hundred people and an agricultural community, and I grew up during the period in history when. Everybody told me know. When you decided that you wanted to do something positive. People said no, you can't do that. One of my most early experiences. Happen when I was in what we call junior high school My class and I decided to attend a court proceeding. Nobody in my class that ever been the court and we got the court. We were placed in a special section. We were so naive. We actually thought they had reserved for Black Kid. We know that we were actually segregated. But when the trial finally started. To African American men, and they were charged with aggravated assault, and even though that's been so many years ago, I can still remember because the guy who is supposed to be the victim who was a white male. Actually got up in court and said. If those two inwards hadn't and my gun hadn't stuck. Those two inwards wouldn't be here today. I was shocked the people in my classroom shock because we did not know that you could say those kinds of things in court. And even though I was young, I made the decision then. That I wanted to do something to make sure that any black man, a woman or anybody for that nature. Would not have to suffer the humiliation that you could see on the faces of those two black guys and so I decided I wanted to become a prosecutor. People said you couldn't do it. but I got a chance to Tim. Morehouse. College went to law school. The emery and I have served as a prosecutor since nineteen seventy six started working for the city I spent four years as a defense attorney my main client. Was Bobby Brown so a lot of work? and. So. But I have been a prosecutor ever since and It is what I enjoy, and the reason that I enjoyed. Because again I see myself as being a gatekeeper for justice for our community to make sure that. We safe that families and children that they can live here in our county, and they can live here and safety. Well I welcome you both here I think it's I. Think it's great that we're able to. Use this as a forum to reach out to the community to the culture and generation, because a lot of people have. Mixed feelings about the voting process. They have mixed feelings about every. Position hailed in the justice system in politics. Especially District Attorney's because you are the person that they have to see before they go to jail usually and a lot of times. You know I. Don't get me wrong. There's some people who break the law and they need to go to jail. True enough, but it's also District Attorney can go outside of low. In name of the law. And the good thing about this place, the good thing about this audience is straight bushy, so you ain't got to play your political car, you. Can you know use what we call cowboy logic? You Know Van. And get straight to the point. This will not be a traditional campaign stop. We would like to just have a conversation. You know conversation about your platform. Of that background! About the present state of the community and how we? Feel, we could be progressively involved in institute. Change so have you. That! GIVES STRAIGHT INTO IT. Okay so I I'd be remiss Mr. how not to acknowledge the fact that it's been a pretty taxing week for you? Given, research that you announce against officers, Garrett Roth and David Brosnan You know things. Things heated up the heated up now. A lot of people said that you know you. You only did that because you know you're in the midst of political campaign. What would you say to that? Well! I think that they could rightfully say that if A IF! We had not done the same thing before in the DA's office, the first case that we actually prosecuted in involving a police officer occurred in two thousand and two. And it involved the young black kid by the name of Cory War that people will probably. Who was shot in his mother's own vehicle and We indicted the police officer who was responsible for that. We had one of our Superior Court. Judges high ever who used immunity to dismiss that case, but since that time we have prosecuted thirty nine of cases involving police officers, nine of those cases involved instances where police officers kill civilians. We've done it before. We've also now handled four cases that we indicted are apps that the police officer be arrested before there was an indictment. That's what we did. In the case involved in officer Rourke and office Brosnan so when people say that it was political, I would say absent record. You could make that contention, but I think when you look at what we've done in the past. What you say is you know that's what they've been doing all all the time. Matt, thank. That is very important to Give give credit credit's due and acknowledgement where it is a warranty and you teams hard work. This tragic case is an example of that. I also just want to I. Want to know if you've been in touch with the Brooks family and if you know, have, they're doing you know in light of the recent news. Well I went over to Mrs Miller to Meka Miller. Who is the husband of Mr Brooks? I win over Toronto. Chat decide I'll say it over. Get to make a Miller. Who is the wife of Mr Brooks? who was the gentleman who was killed on Saturday morning shortly after he was? Killed I went over to the house to meet with her and. Already you know you start seeing things that our system has to improve. It was. Miss. Miller informed me that time. I guess. We arrived at our house sometime around noon. and. The Police Department had not notified her about her husband's death. she was so upset because she did not even realize that her husband had been taken the grady and they had actually started operating on him before he passed and nobody had even called Miller to let her know that he was in hospital. So the first thing the she found out that Her husband was dead when the Georgia Bureau investigation. They came over not to notify her, but they came over to interview her own, so when I got there, she was feeling really bad She just celebrated a birthday for her eight year old daughter and so they were in a festive mood, and then on to to really tear it apart. She didn't have to find out about her husband so on yesterday. When we made our presentation in court I asked her to be there along with her attorney and her family, and she was there, but what I did not realize is she had not viewed videotape. also before the presentation I hit to explain to her. That doing the presentation she would We were going to present the photographs of the police officer standing on her husband. And the photograph of one of the police officers kicking her us. and. She told me at that time and she thought that. She could take it, but as we were describing the incidents during the presentation she finally just had to get up and leave, and she told me she just. She just couldn't even stand to hear what had happened to her husband day. So. Understandably so yeah, it was a traumatic incident for her in a family. I'm glad that she is. Being handled by Chris Stewart who you know who's a outstanding attorney who is providing some good advice, and when you get a chance to see people like Miss Miller admit many families like that before that is what drives me to say that we have got to come to some policy and statutory solutions in our country so that this'll stop happening This can't keep happening to people like Miss Miller. Concur now says there. You have a faced. Some, so adverse opinions to your decision to bring charges on his officers even. In light of you know the newly file video footage of them kicking. Verschoor, and standing on, why do you think? It's so shocking to the department that you would charge them even after. With the video showed. Well. It's been my experience that police officers feel that That, they should not be held responsible. when they are involved in shootings like this when what I hear from them is it happened in a split second? And they don't believe people. Should second them for the Split Second? Say Man I can yeah colognes, the smell good. Yeah you won't tell nobody. I know most of my free might try walking through a local store to get the next bit sent, or they rely on this special woman in they live the tournament to attract the freighter, but now thanks to Hawthorn. You'll have to stick to the basics like old spice from your granddad. You dig what I'm saying. You can smell you. 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Dangerous Environments, you may place yourself in. Yet and still. You Steal. The excuse of I was afraid. So the I was afraid you, you have to the first. The first attribute to being a policeman is being courageous. You must be courageous in order to be a policeman if you scare it you shaky and you need you. Try A has stylist. You know what I'm saying. But if you are going to be a policeman that means the day in day out for the sake of the safety of the community. You place yourself in these situations because you prepared. And because you are courageous. And for you to place all of the accountability, own citizens who have not been trained. Who did not make a conscious decision to get into a dangerous work? This not their responsibility, they did not take an oath they so you can't place all of the accountability on the citizens and expect a hundred percent impunity to come to trained professionals who are supposed to be trained professionals. I? What is the logic behind? That is the. Just sheer delusion of grand do well I believe, and I agree with you. It is totally illogical. It's irrational for somebody to say that every time we shoot somebody. I was in fear of my life. And it happened so quickly I just couldn't make a rational decision about it, so the weight of the law now expresses what should happen. Is that rather than the case being judged from that officers state of mind? It is judged from what a reasonable police officer would have done, and this is the thing that we saw in this case now I have I have one more thing to say that. A lot of people say it's the training. It's the training. It's the training I don't think he's the training. Because we being shown Tammy time and time again. The police officers know how to treat citizens whenever they deal, but white people right whenever they did well why people need to know exactly how to be polite, courteous tactful. Professional Cedeno exactly what to say, exactly you know when to use more excessive force. However when skin tone changes. So. The approach. The mentality and the procedure so so I don't think is the training. Well. Let me say this in I'm probably would get in trouble for saying this but I. Have you got? You can take. The reason that I agree with what you're saying is. Is when I saw them. Kick Missed Brooks. When he was laying on the pavement. When I saw, one of those offices actually stand on Mr Brooks Chess. He got off his chest. He moved around and then he bed on his chest. He stood on his chest after. Two in the best shot in his back and shot in the buttocks, and the officer stood on him. He then went to the other side of his body. And and then he stood on his arm rather than administer as correct. That's what they did. These stood on his chestnut, basically pushing the blood out of the wounds, and so the reason I say that maybe this'll get me in trouble. Is that. From me, being an African American man. I would rather senate you for standing on the. Even above you shooting him. Standing on a man's body is the ultimate insult. An insult, not only to him. But an insult, our community. That's right because when he did that. This man laid in a public. Parking lot over lovie Wendy's. In those policemen knew that there were many people standing there watching. But they didn't care light. They did it anyway, but to to your point. If you saw the video that took place, it lasts about forty one minutes. When you see the conversation between Mr Burke. Mr Brooks and these two officers. You would never imagine that. Mr Brooks would end up dead. Right Mr Brooks was calm. He was compliant Yep every question that they asked. Mr Brooks, he answered it I. Actually had my staff to count. They ask him the same question as many as nine times. But Mr Brooks answered every question I, and so finally they got to the point. Mr Brooks said to them. He said Hey look I'm I'm GonNa? Be Walking across the street to this hotel. He says you've got my car. You got my driver's license. He said this. Let me walk over there. I agree with you because at that point. If Mr Brooks had been another man. That there's no way white man. They would've continued to operate in the same way. This is true, so what this officer did and I thought it was really important that we charged officer RAF with. An Atlanta police regulation, and what the regulation says is, is that when you arrest someone for a Dui? You have to mmediately inform them. I'm placing you under arrest for Dui right, but that's not what he did. Right after carrying this very casual conversation with all the sudden, he moves to his rear and he grabbed. He attempts to restrain arm when he did that. That was the first time that you saw any adverse conduct. On the part of Mr Brooks win. His arm was grabbed and brought to his rear and So what that said to me is that they had no reason to fear this man right? They had already asked him. Did He have a weapon? Mr Brooks told them no, they asked him. COULD THEY PAT him down? They patted down and the only thing that they found was a bulge in his pocket and. All of us have had some experience with the police. If if you've got a bullet in your pocket. Most of us know what the police are going to do is they're going to ask you to take it out and let me see it right. They took the guy's word for it. He said man. This is some money. He's I think. He said some dollar bills. Which said to me they were very comfortable with him. in the way that he was acting so when Mr Brooks. Try to run and that's what he was trying to do. He was trying to get away. When he got the Taser he was trying to run away and I know that the public was somewhat misled because they were shown a photograph or videotape, the that show Mr Brooks firing the teaser. Back at the officer and what they What was said at that time was at that is when the officer shot him. That is not true that that's not when the the officer shot at. If you look at the tape very carefully, you'll see that they had moved Mr. Brooks and officer some Tsn a twelve feet beyond that point. It was beyond that point when they were about eighteen feet three inches because we measured it. That's how far they were apart. Missed a brooks as back was turned to the officer and that's when the officer fired the shot. And, so in my view, the office ahead, no reason to fear Mr Brooks. He had no reason to fear that Mr Brooks would harm anybody else because Mr Brooks was simply trying to run because what he told the man is. I just want to go to the hotel across the street because his girlfriend was waiting over there I, think that's what he said and he wanted to get over there, and he shot him in the back. And this is the thing that I. Think is critical for people trying to analyze this case. There's something in the law that's called excited utterance. and. That is when somebody in the heat of a moment. Makes a statement, but they make the state may without having the time to consult with somebody to ask a lawyer what to say, you know to read something. They just say what's on their mind. So inet Mohmmad. Officer Ralph said. I got him. So, if you. Interpret that that doesn't sound like I'm scared of him right after thousand hunting him, he said I got him. Trump Air Force I. Think. It's important that we we talk about the history and the culture of policing right based upon everything well well I. Want you to get into that definitely, but just to just to to. I WANNA I wanNA count of paint the the. Of of the present circumstances due to. The actions that were taken that night by the officers due to the decision of Power House Office in the administration to present administration to charge both of those officers, and there there has been extreme pushback from law enforcement within the APD, even to the point of. They officers said they weren't coming to work and they weren't answering calls. so I WANNA. Tell ya I'll something I just WanNa. Say something to you officers who you feel that you are so. High off the Hog and your average towel sitting. And looking low to be the judge and jury for all you think that the community need you so bad. In such dire need of such terrible people so bad that. You think your absence is a threat. For us to change. Our actions in liberation. that that that's preposterous. You know saying we can do bad by I got them self. You know what I'm saying. We don't really need how to do this. How you doing this ad to you know what I mean you are not helping. You do not help okay, so. If. You don't come back today. Can come yesterday. Stay gone. Just they go can afford to stay go. We do not need you know a tips words. Okay now with that being, said do. Do you have any regrets for your actions? bringing challenges. Do, you have any regrets it I. Do not I think did we did the right thing? and I I WANNA point this that. The police are supposed to notify us. That when an incident occurred. But guess who I was notified by, tell me. Christian Smith You were on the scene that night I walk. Christian was on the same, and you know I had my. I had my My young strates man the young people that the organizers the candidates. have been kind of leading the way for me. You know in my in my. Short short short history as device. And they they they called me during like in the moment, and said you were at giving the police hail own the scene. What pushes you to do and mind you? You're not getting paid. You know this is not an event that you were scheduled to be. You just got a call. showed up. What push you to do that. Is what I'm fighting for is is what? People who look like me have been fighting for for generations is equality through the land of the justice system. It's to know that we are treated. Like human beings, and so my sole purpose going out, there was to make sure that the police were being transparent and that they will be accountable. because. We know what's going around. nationally in our country with the deaths of George Floyd Brianna, Taylor we had a modern. Georgia so many more. And so I knew that would be a crowd there, and because of my past experience working in law enforcement I knew that I would probably know. Some of the police officers there and so I thought in my presence. There will let them know know no BS right? Let's be transparent. Be Accountable. Let this crowd was going on. Let's make sure that the victim's family gets the transparency that they A. And I will say I was disappointed by the information that was related to me by the police officers that night and then to hear. What actually took place? From DA's off. Yeah I'm saying like that's just to hear. You say you would there to make sure that there was no BS. You were there to ensure the crowd that the APD would do their job thoroughly professionally. Any state they kicked him. Instead on his body. so finding that out. 'cause I'm heartbroken of course. I'm pissed off. That night that I'm out there, and so it goes to highlight farther. Why you have all these young people while marching and protesting, why are we picking up? Where the civil rights movement left off while we still need to make our voices known that black people were not looked at equally only as the justice system and I've worked as a prosecutor in the justice system, and I've known that from being on the inside that. It takes DA's willing to step up and whole police officers accountable for these actions so that we can break the cycle so that we can break the historical chains of. Of how it came to be in the first place, the policing system that we know. Stems from slavery. And is important to know our history. To know the mentality in the culture that police officers have. is you go back to eighteen sixty five when black holes or implemented poll slavery, this was the first set of laws on the books that criminalise black skin. Because slavery was legal so now the slavery is over lawmakers may black codes would said that black people could be criminalised for vagrancy laws. Poor living conditions, the folks who fought in the civil war could be disarmed food. We could be criminalized, victimize from anything at the hands of law, enforcement and so if you take a system in a culture that is praised and talk in in. Trained to victimize US, and kill US right in. BRUTALIZE US and look at us as less than. That culture in that DNA is still president. Our police departments today. Look at this. If you go from eighteen sixty five, just keeping it here to Atlanta show, we don't get our first black police officers nineteen, forty eight. Talking about over one hundred years of history where police officers all white me and there is no accountability for killing black folks for Lynch and Black Folks for robbing and raping and whatever police officers have done so our people throughout history. And so, that is the systemic. Oppression and racism that folks talk about well. We're talking about systemic racism that white people or people who either don't know, or don't care about history fail to acknowledge We need to know that system in history so that we can break away from it because the accidents that I'm hearing that this Mansa that night by kicking somebody and standing on his body. It perpetuates everything that I've just been talking this criminal. Is Criminal in this lawless. And it a slap in the face of justice. spits in the face of democracy. And it is not a fair representation of what the city of Atlanta stands for in his stoop for since. I have been been been here on this. Now Kristie you you you, you had A. Somewhat of a revolutionary. Run of a campaign. You Of course do cove, you know. Everybody got to campaign and a little later than they would've would've liked to. but I saw you pool. People are. They had never even voted, before had never even considered voting before. your Pash and. HAS BECOME INFECTIOUS! If x to the point where you know. I mean you had any a march from? Alma Mater, Douglas, high, school. All the way down to. Another landmark on the west side club crucial. And you! Did you spoke with the people? For the people. To the people. In a lot of club crucial. How did you get the who the embrace you light it. Goes on. And like you started off this show? People can see through the BS and by the grace of God I was over. I was able to overcome obstacles paying that I grew up with. But I've always been true to myself. A and I've always felt this sense of responsibility that if I made it I need to bring other people with me that I'm not going to be one of those folks who say hey. I made it. You figure out a way. If I eat we all. Are In so I. Use this opportunity from working to justice system as a way to try to correct the justice system, because of nobody has the experiences that I have nobody looks at it through the lands at I'll look at it and if nobody is a prosecutor, who knows what it feels like to see your mom in jail. Who knows what it feels like to see your grandmother? Who knows what it feels like to see your family and your community destroy by the system. Then they not gonNa feel the way that I feel about it, and so being able to to come from that Embi here. I said I gotTA educate my people on what it really is. An assistant and I gotTA educate people how we can really change. The system and I want people to know that it starts with people like us. The people who have been the victims of the system the people who have been destroyed by that's why I represent and I'm here to say. The waited has been done for so long. We can't keep doing it that way. Our falls into that category, right? We were excited to see you be the first. Black DA enforcing county. But unfortunately you know whatever whatever the reasons why. We still saw the tough on crime on a black community we. saw the destruction. We still saw the high conviction rates so I wanted to come in and completely change that narrative say. I realized that a lot of crimes are committed because people were trying to survive. Okay been there well. That's how I grew up and I saw it, and so we take those moments of people trying to survive, and we use our brain power and wisdom, and our knowledge had been attorneys, and we figured out ways for people to change their lives for the better. We figure out ways to get people to stop coming into contact with the system. System a set of keeping them in a system that's revolving door where we see them over and over where we give them no hope where they come out of jail, not expecting anything different I want to completely change that narrative and people were able to connect with that and feel that and I. You say they were able to see through, and that's why so many people supporting me and I'm grateful for every last one of Y'all did. And now okay, so miss the how you of. Man You that only have you been the DA the first? African American district attorney. And Joined the state of Georgia and you elective I in nineteen, ninety, four, nine, hundred sixty. Office in January of ninety seven. Okay now, but even before then you working as a prosecute solicitor general of the State Court Fulton County from nineteen, ninety two until nineteen ninety-six. What they ain't going on right now. 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Knowing how the community feels knowing what you know now the thing that I want people to understand is to understand. How our city was existent at the time that I started this district attorney. When I started district attorney in one, thousand, nine, hundred seven. Our County in the city of Atlanta was just run. A muck were crying and then so when I started what people were begging is for somebody to do something about the violence in our community. Atlanta is a you might. Remember was referred to as the murder capital of the south. They referred to. Some of our neighborhoods is Vietnam! Yeah, because there were so many people that got killed. And so I, I would have communities and murders and leaders say hey, look. You gotTA. Do something because we cannot have I believe the year before I was elected. We have a hundred and eighty seven people that would kill most of them, young black man, okay, and and so what I was charged to do listed try to develop a a DA's office, and to work with people in the criminal justice system to reduce that number, and all the years since I've been in office. We have reduced violence rate in the city of Atlanta about seventy percent. Now a lot of people will say well that just happened because of balancers -duced every place and I think you and I both know that's not true, because if you take a county like the Cap County. In fact, the number of homicides in the Camp County since I've been in office. The increases been seventy eight percent while on the other hand. We have had a reduction in violent crime. In fact, the hundred and eighty seven science that took place in nineteen, ninety six by the time we got to twenty seventeen believe we had dropped a seventy nine homicides in our community. So But one of the things that that has happened in our community is there there comes a point where some of the sentences that might have been appropriate when all of that crime went on to whom those sentences are as appropriate as you get, four would in years that will from twenty fifteen, and above so and I think that's what people say. We need to make a change and so. Committed to change Yes to have let me take some to elk. What I want to do. is to make our community a safe place to live. It's not like I wanNA. Conviction or I WANNA send somebody to jail. In fact, people laugh at me because they asked me what so, what is your goal for our city and I always tell them this man. I would really like for Atlanta to become like mayberry. Maybe with magic city. You got to have a little time. In the reason I stated because you remember mayberry mayberry had one share, and no black people know black. I remember one episode. They did have one black guy, but other than that. But they had one deputy. Yeah, you remember. The deputy only had one bullet as right, and he kept a bullet in his pocket and so. But, what it represented as a place that was safe so as Soon as I started looking at maybe nap now. What you talking about Mary talk about buying fighter Debbie that have a you know. A little adage to comes from Andy Griffith, and it says that once was but deputy name body. Often coupled gun and the knife he's. Risky and his knife was out there. Standing never caught a crooked his life. So you know what I'm saying just come from on. My memory of superstation seventeen turns channel. You know I used to watch it religiously, but go ahead I'm sorry with the German shepherd. Yes. The only thing we could watch was baseball reruns and wrestling and. Watch the superstation. You'll hear and. That's all right. Because what I said is well. You know, but in order to get the Berry. Maybe there's a middle point. And so as I looked around the country, I saw a city like kings county Washington. Where Seattle is located and most billionaires in one countess correct, yes, and things county, the only county in the country that's named after Dr King. And when I looked at Kings County, I saw that the population of Seattle. was almost three hundred thousand more than the city of Atlanta Oh, so for instance if you look at I believe the Year of Twenty Sixteen. In Atlanta, we had one hundred sixteen homicides, okay in Seattle, they had twenty six. So I'm asking like so. What's the difference and we'll tell you what the difference is. Poverty yes okay. Not so there isn't that a coincidence that kings county who boasts as being the richest county having the most billionaires registered in that county having. The lowest crime rate. Because people are? Struggling, dying robbing just to eat absolute. Where there is desperation, that's correct you know. There will be poverty whereas there's poverty. More often than net, there will be violence violent crags well. Let me tell you the reason that you are so wise and I say just because I'm sitting here when I talk about Seattle. The most people the crazy thing the first thing. They asked me they'll say. Timmy about the demographics. Because what they're really insinuating is well. They must not have any black people. And, another thing about king's county tell you although the crime is very lower, we'll take. They have the highest suicide rate so. Just a little thing that you mentioned that is the thing that we saw. That is the significant difference between that location. And it, Lynn Elk, the average household bring home household income in Seattle. At that time was seventy four thousand dollars a year. In Atlanta, it was twenty three thousand. Twenty three, thousand versus seventy, four, thousand nine. It is that gap and so the reason that I said that is because you begin to understand. It gets not the number of people that you put in jail. What we've got to remember is jail and the criminal justice system is just Kinda like the end of the process as a whole nother process that goes on that produces the kind of environments that send people to jail, and that environment is an economic one, so what now I have to remind people you can come up with all kind of schemes and for how we. We handle things in the criminal justice system, but when you do that, you really miss the critical portion, and that is the word that you mentioned poverty. It's providing income. So that's why over the last several years we have been doing something that we thought was a lot more important. That is for instance with our expunge bits in our office getting rid of criminal record. Let's take a break from the conversation to expeditiously. Just talk about you. NEFF creators like you. It can be hard to find a way to make money off of Ukraine of whether you're a single writer. 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COM NASA time to join the means offensive creators who changing the way that are valued together. You know what I'm saying, so you mean to me the okay, so for Charles so somebody who you sentence to a non violent drug offence say back in the late nineties early two thousands could have served time. Finish their probation and parole. And you are now going to help them white help though his record clean. So what we did is we paid from our own budget in our office AH lobbyists in for the last three years. We have been trying to get a bill passed in and before our legislators. We're hoping that it'll pass this year. And what it will do is if you've had. If you've got the criminal record that you've described. If you hadn't had another incident in five years, then your record would be expunged and sealed. What that means is is that person would be able to get a job? We looked at the other states in this country and I think about thirty eight states have already passed the same legislation. and. What was important to me? Is that in every one of the states where it passed? The unemployment rate dropped an average of two point six percent. Once it pass, but the other thing that's important is is when they passed a law. The crime rate went down in every one of the states that it was passed and so. The lesson that I have learned. Is that you've got to steal as Bill Clinton says you got to look at the economy. Stupid, because it's that poverty that you talked about is that gap between poor people and people who have other means it doesn't make any difference what nationality or race they are. It's because of that gap. That is what creates crime. If you move the people in Seattle, to Fulton County Atlanta if they had the same gap in opportunity and economic abilities. Then I think you would have the same crime rate certainly and I'm hoping that we will continue to recognize that not fool ourselves to believe that we somehow can. Lose are reduced away that people live with something that do in the criminal justice system. We got to keep reminding ourselves Gaza something else. That's going on and the criminal justice system has the support those institutions because those that are institutions that I believe will make the difference in keeping our crime rates low light, so I got to chime in on this Phil. Is Interesting that. We're talking about Seattle because throughout my campaign, one of the things that I wanted to implement him. Fourth County was based off of program out of Seattle. In twenty eleven, they implemented a program called lead law enforcement assistant diversion. If you are arrested for drug, possession or prostitution, instead of taking you through the traditional route of prosecution, they give you the opportunity to be allowed with services to help you break out lifestyle. Okay, whether it be mental health treatment. If you dropped out of school, and then you need a Gd. If you have a substance addiction problem, they get you help with that so I went out there and twenty eighteen. Eighteen for a couple of days and studied this program, and I sat with their prosecutors and police, officers, and our public defenders, and our city council people and their community, and they have all invested into this program. Wear the prosecutor, being at the hub or being the leader of the justice system, says you know what instead of just throwing all of these things in jail at an conviction rates and giving these people records perpetuating a system where they won't have employment and stay in poverty. Less partner with these community service providers to help them break out of this to help our crime rate. Go Down to help our placement rate. Go Up, so. I don't want to get get missed in the conversation. What was going on between you two that the DA? Power to do that because Seattle also did that and I was one of the things that I wanted to bring here to county, so the DA does have power to help people break out. Those lifestyles does have the power to not only send people to jail, but to get them treatment that they need to help them. Break Out Lifestyles if the DA prioritize vital on You've seen. A hair found A. Found quite a liking to missed. Missed the Christian West Myth as of late. What do you find intriguing? Obey his platform. Will you know I first of all? I have to say that when I heard him and I saw him. When I saw was a real development I mean from. How we hit communicated in the past I saw this how he had really merged all of his ideas, and he was able to really express them the people in a way that they could not only understand, but I got the impression that they felt. What he was saying about the things he meant, and so we've gotten together and we talked. We talked about four or five things We've talked about diversion. I've got some diversion programs that we already had in our office, but after talking to kristen see that there was a real room that we needed for. And so You know we're going to start working on those things. One of the other things that we talked about is the thing that we discussed earlier, and that is the issue of police brutality so through my conversations with him I've actually now. decided that we're GONNA make reducing police brutality eight major function of the DA's office. We actually go into set up a separate department a task. Force for. To. To store it to attack kid. COPS defined cops being bad cop script. Well, what? We WanNa do is that we want to. Bold statement Mr Halliday show. You want to go record saying that I'm I. Guess I'm already with this last incident. You'd ringleader. Had enough so but. Those some of the things we talked about. The Educational Rim we talked about partnerships and communications with the Atlanta Public School system, and with the kind of school system, and so those are the kinds of things that we talked about working together to get done for our community. The issue with police brutality We've failed. It's really important you talked about the policemen that were not coming to work and I heard. One of the policemen say today that They weren't coming because they were tired. Of some of the things that went on the nerve well, but they know tat, no more tired. Than? We have seen people. That's what Christian and I talked about we try to. I'm tired. I'm tired of having to prosecute. The cases tired of going to the fumes tied to go into the memorial so I'm GonNa tell a habitat. They are I. Don't think they're more tired than we are to make sure that these things don't keep happening again. Now. Speaking of police brutality. Mr How you've been criticized by former Atlanta police chief Eric Shields. And the International Brotherhood of police officers. Over your decision to choice six police. Form. Of Your decision to choice, six policemen for the violent arrest of to Atlanta college students who were taste and poor from near car during demonstrations over the death of the Jewish Floyd What's your response to that criticism? Well I was really kind of amazed that they were criticizing. If you saw that video and you saw the way they abused not only Messiah Young, the young man but misses The young lady Mrs Pilgrim who was tastes who's sitting in the car trembling screaming, you could see the electrical current being shot through a body. They pulled her out through down face first on the pavement and you know when watching it I was just thinking about if I were father a man. I'm thinking what? What I would have done if I saw the way that they treated her i. just thought it was outrageous. He was never charged with a criminal offence by the They told the young man they said. Hey, either you go. Are you go to jail? And when they told him that the young guy drove forward and after he drove, fo- then went up to try to break in his car for going forward. So after that I heard the police second pay. Professionals expect to operate this well I just thought it was because the police chief. was so outraged by the conduct that she amelie firearm, and for the police department I think everybody knows that that's really unusual that they would fire somebody on the spot and So once we viewed the videotape. We had eight high quality video tapes. That showed US everything that they did. What is it that we had to wait for? So we simply did something that was a consequence of what the police had already. But. Let me just tell you this. I am not surprised at. The characterization of charging the police as political. Every time we've prosecuted policemen. The Union always says that what we've done is political, and it's not just true here with the city of Atlanta. If you check around the country, when ever there is some action taken against a police officer, if there's a police union that activity is always characterized by the union, calling it political. what we did was not for political gain, but it was based upon human pain, because that's what those kids suffered back and If I had to do it again. What I would try to do I would try to charge them a day earlier. Because you should never treat to people and you definitely shouldn't treat. Somebody that I would regard as a child by the way they treated those folks. I mean so. The International Brotherhood of police officers also known as the IB appeal. You accused the ABC being out of touch with reality and engaging in a politically motivated plan to influence. The primary in order to end police prosecutions in Fulton County. What did you tell me? What did you mean by that what I meant by that is this is what they have done not only here in our community, but every place that they. Seek candidates to endorse. They want a candidate who's going to say? I am not going to prosecute policemen Oh. Do they know what they actually say that he would say to you? They were saying you. You're going to prosecute policemen because. Are you going to prosecute people like Paul Howard? That's what they say because if you. If you answer that question, yes, I'm going to prosecute people like Paul Howard and they are not going to endorse you. Nancy saying that that just give me. A moment to reflect it makes it a temple tapper, too, because you have a run off coming up against finding Willis. You see it we. The community recently questioned her about this. You said that the Police Union and former. City councilmember mayor know what a Republican in two tab candidate for mayor who lost against Kishan lands, bottoms and one time against Cassim read. Why do you continue to say that because it's true? Okay so okay, so wait a minute. You say the Police Union. Has Endorsed Final Willis correct, and after you just said that the police union sits down with candidates that they're considering of into their considering endorsing and ask. Will they prosecute policeman? And if they say yes, I will prosecute policemen. They will not will not endorse they will do. But they are endorsing. Finding will screwed okay and. Council form a council member mis- mis- mayor nor would I remember bit about her platform. I think you know it's fair to say Atlanta being the city that I know. I. See her as someone who wants to come and kill the culture. Of She wants to close studio. She wants shut down a strip club. She wants you know she was a lot more book. He in Latin list banking. What do you think? Ms Moore Norwood's endorsed Mitt. A final will. What do you think that represents think? It's two things I think one of the things that we have to look at as again this whole idea prosecuting policemen, the Police Union endorsed Mary Norwood when she ran for mayor against. Kisha, bottoms. They'd be. They've become very aggressive in frying to stop. Paul Howard in the DA's office in prosecuting cases, and so when Mary Norwood and her Bucket Council with me. One of the things that they would do is what is head of the book yet council or she's the head of it, but she's the face. She's the face of healthcare and what they would discuss is rather than bringing the regular police to the meetings. They brought the police union to the meeting, and so they would spend time. Time, and they would make statements like The DA gives more time to police officers. Then he does the regular criminals. That's what they would say, and so they also want to stop the prosecution of police officers. Because what they believe is that it is somehow wrong for them to ever be prosecuted. The other thing that happened is we started a program in the DA's office called project level up. It involves juvenile offenders and what we decided to do. These offenders who had already been arrested three times. But rather than trying to put them in a juvenile detention facility. My what we talked about is providing aftercare mentors and family intervention so that they would not have to go to jail. Mary Norwood in her crowd did not like that what they wanted to do was to ask us to send him to jail. And I believe that's why when they approach Christian Smith the, but that is exactly what Mary Norwood was asking him to do is. Are you willing to send these young black kids to jail? I'm not willing to do that and I. think that's why. She asked Christian whether or not he was willing to do it because it. He wasn't willing to do it. She won going to support him. There truth it. Yes so. I want to be clear about why I'm sitting here with Paul Tei. I'm not sitting here with fun. I did a lot better in this primary than most people thought I would do. Of course you know myself and my family and supporters stop. We will win. The message one our movement, one by, but over thirty five thousand people voted people who would not have normally voting thousands of people who have first time. I think that's what's most impressive number of first time? And people who would not have normally come out. even in light of voter suppression that exists that you know the people which. Had every reason to be discouraged from voting. And you still brought out. Very oppressive numbers. And you know. With the support of people like myself, and even my Nepali from the Franchise Boy Man Bank here on home native So, what was it? For one I would like to talk a little bit about. Your against the conversation that you had when you had to consider the questions of mayor, no would for endorsement and also the police union if there has been in discussion Did you feel when you having these discussions that they were? Asking you about. That they were asking you about The prosecution of policemen in in their endorsement was contingent upon your answer song I I never spoke to the police. Okay got never even had a conversation with them. They knew better than to come. See Exactly. And I think red flags off head when the DA is endorsed by the Police Union, although our jobs require us to work with police officers our job is not to turn a blind eye to the misconduct of police office a one. They never spoke to me, but with Mary Norwood. I jumped in the race I to run against Paul. He's running. For I don't know how long. I saw this as an opportunity to advance this movement and message forward now. And in January. Early on in my campaign, Very Norwood and her group from the Bucket Council had a meeting with me at the state capital. And at the end of the meeting Mary approach me and say if you won't mind -dorsements. If you want me to open up my resources to the buckhead business community, you have to agree to publicly say you will put juvenile offenders on prison farms to do manual labor. And I want you to close the city of or repurpose the city of Atlanta jail as a diversion center, and so my initial immediate response to her was I'm not going back to slavery and I'm not tap dancer for money. For money or an endorsement, and so she turned rate walked away, so after finding witless jumped in the race, and after we learned she was endorsed by Mary Norwood. You knew exactly what it took at one of the debates we had and I made it a point to not. I felt like my message spoke louder than me. Taking tax at Paul or funny. I did that very little in my campaign, but in this one particular debate, instead of throwing it out, there generally oppose the question to finally directly I say what did you have to agree to to give Mary's endorsement and I WANNA to take it a step further if you allow me. TO SPEAK SHIP A after I did not prevail primary congratulations to Paul and funny. But I understand what thirty five thousand plus votes earn represents, and so in respecting the process of who I would support because I'm I'm not gonNA take the easy way out and say I'm not picking someone. You have to be. A man behind your loss and I still I'm still a voter in the citizen force and county and people about who I'm going to vote for, so I spoke to. Both of them are met with both of them in person. And one of my questions to. Finey was would she gives the money back because the people who support me I was there. I was GONNA get to that. I'll be transparent. Right everything. The people who support me having an issue with our beans support about Mary know who they saw said Hey, would you give that money back to gain our trust? So. These people can believe in you. She said No. You being there I did not know this was coming. This was a complete surprise and shock to me. You said what if I replaced the money right now? She still said No. Idea offer to give a dollar for dollar. Mary no contributed to her campaign I said I will give you whatever she's giving. You give it to you if you. if you denounce her endorsement. And, she said no now magic power way before found out. HOW MUCH MONEY WOES! No. May. You. Almost got myself into. Man, would not. Say It would have been a small price to pay taking step even further. We spoke about the police union endorsement now. And we we are broke down to her. The my campaign manager broke down her. The perception that this gives off Ooh by you. Being backed by certain groups who again I love history talking about the history of. The plight of black people in the justice system, these two folks, Mary Ann a police union represent the oppression of US going over. She was not willing to come off either of those endorsements or the or the money that came behind who're Smith's for the people. That is why I'm sitting here with Paul. Yeah I. Mean I think that's very important. I think it's very important and I guess we're going to. We're going to bring this thing on in man because. I think it's important that people understand. Exactly. What the changes are that you? Hope to see or did you have? That you have been made to believe you will see in supporting brother Howard and How do you intend to go about Executing. So one. Together Collectively and I'm I'M GONNA. Let you know Mr how I'm. GonNa go wherever Christian go. Saying. Let you know that, so you sit right here. Expeditiously have to pay it. Then he calls me. Dollars. But yeah man, because I trust them belief while I trust him believe Christians motivation to. Apply change to a broken system and I trust in your bravery. In in in standing by doing. Things that that most people would took tail and be afraid to do now that you did everything perfectly along the way here and there, but I must give credit where credit's due you have shown up and shown out in recent times so I really really really want to applaud you for that but you know what it just really tapping me on my shoulder so. So I got to say okay, so let's talk about the Atlanta Public School the APS Situation Cadet one thing that really really grabbed my gears so I, just wanted to be that person who I want to be that person who did not speak on it, because I've been praising you. Thank you deserve out praise but I. Thank, you may need to speak just a minute. About! The Atlanta cheating scandal. We'll let me tell you to I appreciate you asking me because this is one of the things that in talking with Christian that I figured out. That I should have done. I spent a lot of time working on that case. I should have spent more time working with the community to talk about the case. Because when it happened. People would not focused upon the same issue that I was focused upon okay, and that was the issue with the children they were focused upon the charge that was attached to the teachers. And I believe that if I and my office, it spent more time. Talking to community leaders in in working with them about what we were doing. I think maybe people might have at least. Get a chance to see what we thought was the major wrong and what we were talking about? Is Changing from wrong to right about two hundred fifty six thousand answers elk when I say that to be. What are you talking about? Two hundred and fifty six thousand change from wrong asses to right answers, and this is the thing that's so incredible and two thousand nine I believe after they switched over from having the Atlanta Public School system to monitor those tests. They turned it over to the state of Georgia. Right once they turned it over to the state of Georgia. The number of wrong or right answers change from the two hundred fifty six thousand apple lead to less than a hundred. What people also don't know, and that's because we did a bad job of communicating with people about it. Is that in a meeting that was hill by ambassador young. He didn't like you to call him ambassador, but Call embassador. But he set up the meeting. We met with superintendent the former Superintendent Hall. And after. ambassador young had presented what he thought was the issue. She agreed to enter a guilty plea and most people don't even know that. She agreed in a guilty plea and So what would really would have changed the whole way that this case it'd be looked at because we thought that quote went on with something that was headed by her so. I I'm hoping that. I can now after from this point I hope that I can meet with the people who involved with this case. I'm hoping that somehow we can figure out a way to get it behind, can't we? Can't we make corrections and and move beyond this without any agree GIS punishment, so I've been talking to Chris and Kristin and I've been talking and We're GONNA figure out a way. We can make this thing right because it's important for me that our community can move on by. By that, we can look at each other and say okay all right. We dealt with it now. Let's move on, so we can do what's right and I am committed to do that. I'm committed to do it and so I'm looking forward for the opportunity to make sure that this does work out with. APS is important to note as part this point to. imam meetings with both him and funny. That was one of my concerns was correcting this black. There's been on Atlanta's. Since the case have so when I asked them both, they were willing to at least have a conversation to see how we could make this. Go Away. These. Can move on his response was we'll have a conversation. Hard response was. Are they finally willing to admit they're wrong? If they don't do that, we can't have a conversation. So Again And I'm making these things known and transparent because. The folks who support me needs to notice. They need to know why I'm not sitting here with her. And I've been public about my disliked flow, and that it took me putting my personal feelings for him to the side. Ever have these meetings about what the greater good can be, but you have seen even with whatever personal discrepancies you may have a have hey, in the past, but you steal feel sincerely and genuinely that you would have a better time in a better opportunity to work things out with power. How than you would with finding? Absolutely am my meeting with her? I didn't get anything. My people didn't get anything. Our platform and our message and our movement did not get anything. Paul, how it is. I would like to thank you. Is really that simple mayor we are. We are the voice of the community we speak for the people. We have a genuine interest in a sincere passion to feel the gap and consider the concerns of the people, and whoever can assist us in our efforts is who we will support simple as that. I want to ask you one last question man brother, how in the illustrious career that you've had as a prosecutor coming from such humble beginnings when you and your class went into that courtroom, and I know that you have you know you see Atlanta as the Utopia of mayberry i. see it as the Utopia of. The, same thing, but very different but I wanNA. Know from you what? Is The thing that you've done in your career that you're most proud of? Well let me tell you. We are seized A. Crack House on Atwood Avenue in the West End. When I was first, a crack house was brought to my attention. It was on the corner. And the there are so many people. Coming to the House that they had when they drove up, they had crushed the sidewalks in front of the House. And the day that I went over, you could just see traffic and most of these folks man with from Carbon Gwinnett County, coming online drugs at this house man well anyway next door to this house. That was an elderly family. And the woman who lived next door. She called me over and she told me she said please. Can't you do something to close it House Dash? She said they shoot and they fight, and they literally up the neighborhood and everybody else. The neighborhood is trying to move, but she said I I. Don't want to move out of my house and I can't afford to movements. Our I'm stuck. And so her husband was standing over there near him and. The Manhattan is grill on the inside of the House and I. Ask me why I said. Why does he have the grill on inside? The House is a missile. Come out on our porch anymore and Grill Causes Those folks over there selling drugs. So when we finally closed the house, we got some companies to help us remodel it. We put a policeman in the house for about up two years, and the crime in the neighborhood dropped by seventy percent, so we had a big celebration to. Win. The policeman moved in. And we had a band, and we had hotdogs I love hotdogs, and but the day when I went over there man I I was standing on the front porch and. Bell some ribs. and. I looked over to the house next door. And there was a husband man. He was out in the Front Yar. Grilling. And he waved at me. Smile and it was like he was saying like. Finally Y'all did something about this crime. So out of all the cases I've had all the employees that head all experiences I've had. I'll never forget that man grilling. Because that's what I think the as to do. They aren't allow our community to be grilling. Own An. Absolutely love hear. What you missed. The Christian West of Man. What is the thing that you're most proud of today in your career Justin? Martyr Justin. Martin was a seventeen year old senior in highschool, Arrested on drug charges. And he came to court with his mom, he thought he was going through a no low plea, and going about his life, and I said well. What are you see yourself in ten years? You say a planet NFL. Plan NFL you've gotTA. Play where fires. You get convicted drug charge. You can't get financial aid the plane school. So I made up with diversion program on the spot in front of the judge just to raise his GPA to pass a drug test to do some community service and give back and also take some classes on drugs just to educate himself about what he was doing. To His Kid, and this was in two, thousand, thirteen, fourteen. The mom emailed me and said Hey, thank you for giving us on a chance. He's playing at your college and Oklahoma. Doing great in the classroom wouldn't be here without you. Twenty fifteen, she called and said Hey my son had transferred to the University of Tennessee got a chance to start this year. Thank, you wouldn't be without you. Two Thousand Sixteen. She said. You gotTA COME TO A game? So I bought tickets. My kids and I went up to Knoxville to a game. His senior year twenty, seventeen. We went to three. But the most important part is story. Was that in twenty eight I drove up the Knoxville to watch him get a bachelor's degree in communications so I'm witnessed the Howard. We need to have our folks out there grilling well. We also need our folks out. There were opportunities. Can change their lives, families, lives and their community lives. WHO's DA's? How the power to do that? To to vary a different two very different approaches to prosecution, and I think that. Watching, you guys work together for the greater good of the community. Is going to be a pleasure to see what you come up with now before I let you guys go. We have a tradition here. Okay, bet tradition is the word of the week. So, we usually pull the word out of the sky or my lusters, vocabulary and. We apply to the conversation is a word that would. Represent the guests or the discussion. The word for the week is incipient. Incipient in an initial stage, beginning to happen or develop incipient means something is in early stage of existence. Now what I do use it at a sentence, so they can go on and take that word known it. The whole life given none of us any credit for it, but you notice what we do here expedition. During the town hall the protectant during the town hall, the protesters could feel incipient excitement building as the candidates took their seats to discuss injustice. Guys I appreciate you for coming here. Man's Bill Blair. Paul how? Wrong. Part about money. May you know what we got a long time. We've got a long time brother Chris. Pleasure working alongside said it will be a pleasure. Gas Thank you. This has been expedition. I Miss Monagas new. My show expeditiously will now be available on spotify and is free. If you already listen to music or spotify, now you can listen to the podcast into say place. Thanks for listening to expeditiously with me CIP. Don't forget to subscribe podcast and podcast one and rate and. Expeditious leaves produced engineered and edited by Casey, loss.

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#EERS S9 Ep106: A Desperate DA Indicts the Police

The Erick Erickson Show

2:01:17 hr | 4 months ago

#EERS S9 Ep106: A Desperate DA Indicts the Police

"Hello, America. It is Eric Erickson here. Welcome good morning. It is well six after the hour the full number. If you would like to be a part of this year, program is eight, seven, seven, nine, seven Eric, eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. I was not going to begin here this morning, but I am deciding that I am going to begin here because I just somebody sent this to me and. It will great googly movie this. This is from national review it. Is Kyle Smith writing? It hit the wires short time ago. This is this is crazy. a major media and cultural as major media and cultural institutions reenacted the crucible on the national stage, a particularly stupefying incident that may have escaped your attention illustrates how confidently race-based hysteria stalks the landscape. A young black employees at Conde Nast quit her job and stormed out the door after her white boss gave her a copy of America's beloved writing guide the elements of style. First published in nineteen eighteen, these slender book was written by William strunk junior then overhauled and expanded by E B, White. In nineteen fifty nine generations of students writers have kept well-thumbed copies of stricken white as the revised work is commonly known by their desks. As of two thousand sixteen database that tracks these things found that it was the single most often assigned text in college syllabuses syllabi. I'll tell you right now. That every aspiring writers should read the elements of style Stephen, King once wrote failing to notice that the first six words of his sentence are superfluous, superfluous, indicating neglect of shrunken whites famous injunction omit needless words. Conde NAST CEO Roger. Lynch who averred that he is making every effort to add racial and ethnic diversity to the famously snooty publisher of Vogue and the New Yorker. Gave his executive assistant. cassie Jones a copy of strunk and white because he thought it would prove useful to her. White is strongly associated with the company having written extensively for the New Yorker where the clean lucid strong white style has always been the model. It was a New Yorker Essay. In praise of strengths, original book that led to whites being commissioned to revise it. Half, a century, or so later, the collaboration sold some ten million copies. Any reasonable person would replied with thanks rather than hostility yet. Jones quit days later in a huff. Leaving the book on the CEO's desk as she did, so she considered the gift insulting according to a New York Times report with suggestion that her own language skills were lacking. The gift struck Ms Jones as a micro aggression informed sources told the time stunned Lynch told the paper I really only had the intention like every time I've given it before for to be helpful resource as it has been for me I still use it today. I'm really sorry if she interpreted that way. I have my copy you starting. We're isn't one of my desk drawers here I. Keep My strunk and white copy. Yes, here. It is right here in my in my Middle Desk I. Keep my struggle. You would never know it if you read me given. How terrible a proof reader I am, but it is right here in my desk. Assuming. That's all there is the story. The youngest sister looks like an unfortunate example of the kind of fragile self sabotaging young adult. Our colleges are sending out into the workplace. Our campuses trae young people into cultural hemophiliacs. Who If someone bumped into them on the sidewalk are likely to rupture a blood vessel in bleed out. cassie Jones with the most prestigious magazine Publishing Company in America because she was insulted by being given a common style guide, she was confident enough in her status as a victim that she told others about this owner way out the door. She dropped the book on her bosses desk. As a symbol of Grievance, a moments research would have provided her with ample. Ample evidence, the millions of people have kindly given gratefully accepted this elegant and useful little book I'll stop reading. This is what we're dealing with in the country. At this moment there are so many legitimate grievances right now and I feel like they've been hijacked by the whiners. We have become a nation of whiners rioting in the streets because of their wines. I mean seriously. There are real problems in this country. There are real problems with racial insensitivity, this country, but good Lord. Uncle Ben's rice and Mrs Butterworth and Aunt Jemima Okay maybe and Jemima. Let's give him that, but uncle Ben's rice seriously. Are we to get rid of all black characters on food? I mean this is I. Thought Mrs. Butterworth was Black, a British housekeeper I wouldn't even try her Sir if I knew she was modeled off of a black grandmother, I would be using hers instead of log cabin, because which Gr- black grandmother in America is a bad cook I don't know any and I know lots of grandmothers and they're all fantastic cooks. If I knew that I mean maybe they should have branded her is that she would not be behind aunt. Jemima and log cabin. Always, go with room able by the way. Mrs Butterworth who knew it was a symbol of racism and now in London. You know the controversy in London. Someone has figured out that Rice. KRISPIES has three little eight. What are they elves? fairies I don't know. I guess they're not that. That would be politically and crazy, I! We got three little white dudes. Who are the symbol of Rice krispies snap, crackle and pop, and then I'll cocoa Chris. You have a monkey. It is clearly racist, apparently, according to one guy, in London who's tried to Jim Controversy and at first I thought he was a troll, but he's apparently a real person with a real grievance. The Cocoa Puffs don't they black? They have a monkey in that in and of itself is racism. Do you know the latest one that's circulating around the Internet who was the boxer John, Brown the boxer not let me this one right. After wrench in vitor. This is the latest one that the monkey wrench needs to be changed because Jack. Johnson, the first black heavyweight boxing champion patented a wrench now his was not the first wrench. A wrench he patented ended in Nineteen, twenty, two. And now there is a rumor going around that. You must throw away all of your wrenches because they are racist. The monkey wrench. They say it was the Jack Johnson wrench, and that because he was black, it began being referred to as the monkey wrench, and it is racist and that's not true. That's not true. Yes. Jack Johnson invented a rich. He patented in Nineteen, twenty two, but the monkey wrench was invented by someone else Charles Monkey. Charles Monkey spelled his name IMO in cky They weren't going to sell the ridge that way because no one would know how to pronounce Monkey If you saw that spelling, and so they changed the name Monkey Imo in k. e. y. and they sold the ranch, and now circulating on social media across America are claims that the monkey wrench is a racist way to refer to the black boxers wrench, and it's not true and yet. I've gotten that for more than I have seen famous people. Put that on instagram. We my friends are in a crisis of grievance in this country, where every whiner has come out of the book and every troll and every malcontent who doesn't know their history like the aclu yesterday came out and claimed that the death penalty is derived from defenses of lynching. That's right according to the ACLU the death penalty came from lynching. Now last I read Hamurabi is code from thousands of years ago. There was no lynching in there, but there was a death penalty. Last I read genesis six when no one gets off the boat God himself, says to impose the death penalty on anyone who takes the life of another person, because if they disrespect those who are made in the image of God, they themselves must be removed from the gene pool. Paraphrasing God there, sorry sorry guy. And yet the wants to push this. And it got thousands and thousands of re tweets from people who took it seriously. That we gotta get rid of the the death penalty. Because it is a IT IS A. It's a grievance based on it based on lynching. This is nonsensical. This is crazy. We are being hijacked. The insane asylum wants to take the the the insane take over these item. That's what's going on right now. STRUNK and white is a symbol of racism. What because E B White's last? They should have changed his last name to something else. I mean who in their right mind and that's what I. Take this and maybe I'm interpreting too much, but you give this girl. A book called stricken whites elements of style Oh. They want me to speak. Remember, the Holy Botox nonsense awhile back. Good Grammar is apparently racist. Sounding like you know something, apparently racist. This country will not survive if we continue to go down this road and here's the problem, and this is what actually makes me mad about it. There are real legitimate grievances out there actually are real legitimate grievances. There is racism in the United States of America today. You see it in what happened to Almond Aubrey here in Georgia in Brunswick. You, see there. That kid killed Ahmed, Aubrey and then referred to him as an effing inward. There is real racism American. The local district attorney decided not to prosecute. told the police not to do anything. And even the police thought something needed to be done. In. This only came out when someone put the video up on Youtube. Will have to see it with their own is to understand that this sort of stuff existed America. And who is going to take it seriously when you have little grievance mongers throwing down copies of the elements of style of walking off the job because they're offended, who is going to take it seriously? Would you have people say oh? They wanted me to speak with proper because they're racist. WHO's GonNa? Take it seriously. You need to take it seriously and here's the thing. You should take it seriously. It is difficult at this point. To engage on the topic. When the people who take it seriously, but also nut say well. Yeah, you agree with that. What about this? What about this? What about uncle bins rice. But still have to take it seriously. You still have to engage. You still have to do the right thing. Even when you're surrounded by crazy, still do the right thing. But it's hard. And it's frustrating. You know I was going to get into this later I. I will get into this year just a little bit right now. So just the road from me literally like two hundred feet from me as Monroe County and they have their local newspaper. The Monroe County reporter it is a great newspaper I get a copy of it I get a subscription to it and on the headline you've got a foresights city councilmember. Julius Stroud, leading a protest crowd against the newspaper. because. They want better and more coverage and Monroe counties. Newspaper Crowley Protests reporter editors coverage remarks. Let me read this. This is bill weaver. A crowd of several hundred people gathered for a rally Saturday morning in downtown for safe with several speakers, calling for will Davis to step down from his position as publisher. Editor of the Monroe County reporter and give up is one half ownership of the newspaper. Half. Dozen people spoke at the rally including Monroe County. Schools overdid it Mike. Hickman with various speakers, slaving Davis has used the paper in his thirteen years of half ownership to intimidate demean and embarrass people rather than a unifying force in the community with recent rallies across the nation, sometimes spawning violence, numerous law enforcement officers were present at or near the rally to uniformed officers, stood in front of the newspaper offices on South Jackson Street. Even though the rally was held one block north, the rally was entirely peaceful. Good grief, there were three common criticisms mentioned. Let's let's go over here to page six A.. They do this in newspapers now. This newspaper has more pages than the Macon Telegraph. They say that he criticized individuals. He criticized the actions of well intentioned elected officials, and he published sensitive private information about individuals to embarrass them. Two speakers questioned the propriety of Davis's promotion in which she's given away. An a are fifteen. Hickman said Davis had been disrespectful to black students, citizens and parents. We need unity. Are. Officials have been elected and they're wonderful people. Trying their very best to make our county even better, and it seems as though the reporter tries to drag that down, says the school's Superintendent Accountable to those very elected officials. Hickman, set of Davis's criticism of it's quite hypocritical for someone to be ridiculed, are black children and our black bear that are black community, but on Friday night be on the sidelines, taking pictures of those same children, he said Davis is an impediment to racial harmony. Amanda, Turner and Educator said stories of these people were written with clear biases and racist overtones a Delio wilder Dr. a BIB county educator says we'll. Davis routinely uses his power social be for him in the county's most important news resource to hateful divisive rhetoric. And on and on it goes. Oh, good Lord. Get Your own newspaper. Or cancel your subscription. You're protesting a newspaper. The newspaper supposed to be a voice of unity in our. No, it's supposed to tell you what's going on in your community. The you know if he was going after, Republicans you people would be cheered in on because the Republicans are an impediment. You're protesting a newspaper. Get a life at least they you strunk and white newspaper. You may protest that now to the full number here you want to be part of the program. Eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric Eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five at Molar GonNa. Join me at the bottom of the hour to talk about his new book, and this evening I may see around Clarksville, I'm headed up there this evening. It's a bit of a hike from my house of their, but I'm going up there so I'll be around y'all listen, I'm I'm GonNa? Come back to this Monroe County thing. And we need to deal with the police issue in Atlanta Very briefly. And I I want to delve into this more after I talked to Dr. L. spends more time on this, but in Atlanta yesterday, the district attorney indicted. Officer Ralph. WHO KILLED RASHARD BROOKS! Here's what makes it really notable to me a couple of things. One! The Georgia Bureau of Investigation. Is Required by law to conduct thorough investigations of any police shooting. They have not finished their investigation. And in every other instance the district attorney has waited for the GBI investigation before filing charges. and you've got a power now rushing in this case. You also had Paul Howard. Say That officer Brosnan. Who is the other officer would be a state's witness and agreed to plead guilty officer Brosnan has now come out through his lawyer, and said he has not agreed to plead guilty, and he's not going to be a witness for the state. You've also got this two weeks ago, Paul Howard the district attorney rush to indict to black police officers for smashing the windows of vehicle tastes to blacks, college students races important here because those two black officers who pays to black students are said to have been part of a white supremacist essentially propping up white supremacy by being on the police force. And at the time, the reason Paul Howard indicted these police officers was for using excessive force with a deadly weapon. Now the reason they smashed the windows if you ever watched, the video is is because these two kids weren't listening to the bleacher. We're told him stop. They were ignoring the police trying to drive off. The police were banging on the window, telling them to stop, they wouldn't. The police finally smashed the window and tased him to get them to stop. So two weeks ago, he indicts these officers for using force with deadly weapons tasers. At his press conference yesterday, he said officer Ralph had nothing to worry about because a Taser is not a deadly weapon. There's a double standard there. He indicted off Serov for felony murder, which could get officer off the death penalty? But here's the rest of the story. Ball Howard the district attorney in Fulton County is under investigation by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. It is alleged that Paul Howard used a nonprofit group to supplement his income that he improperly lived off the money of nonprofit while also being Da. Any cut the Gbi I. That is investigating him out of the loop on the situation. Paul Howard is in a runoff. He was not able to win his election as DA, a member of the Fulton County DA's office is challenging Paul Howard for his seat. And so Paul Howard is rushing now in this wave of black lives matters racism. American police brutality, he's rushing to indict as many police officers as he can. As an election issue, he's essentially standing on the backs of these police officers grandstanding on their backs in order to win reelection. That's what this is about. He alleged yesterday that these police officers stood on the body of Richard Brooks after he was dead in kicked his body as he was dying. Now I find that allegation troubling if it's true, these officers need to be punished. But also, we've seen a whole lot of video. We've seen a great deal of video of that night, and I don't recall seeing video of that and you would think given the amount of video that we've seen that. If there was video of that, we would have seen it and again. This is not to dispute that this happened and if it happened, they need to be prosecuted for that, but I'm actually Kinda surprised to hear the allegation yesterday because I watched all the videos that I never saw that. And you know the the national media works, they would have highlighted that, and they did not highlight that, and yet we have all of this video of the guideline, their dead, and no one to have seen that except the DA in Atlanta that that just seems weird to me. This isn't GonNA end well and yesterday police officers in Atlanta walked off. The job refused to respond to calls we've seen a crackup happening and over zealous prosecutors are part of the issue here particularly when they're up for reelection, it is your accent here. The full number eight, seven, seven, nine, seven Eric Eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. So I'm an. Church now and the reason I am in a PCA churches. I grew up in the first. Baptist church in Jackson. Louisiana and my pastor Joe Nisam was still to this day the standard for me for for X. positively preaching I got to Mercer, university and decide you know I'll go to the first Baptist Church in in Macon Georgia, and well the woman, the pulpit that Sunday She actually preached on how we needed to be less scriptural and more sacred, and she wasn't actually the preacher, but they let her get up and talking I was terribly confused, and I ran home and I called my preachers. What should I do and he said go find a church with the letters PCA after my be one, but for the sprinkling so I've been there, but my heart is still with the southern. Baptist even though I went to Rt. s to work on my MD. GIVE but I'm a big fan of my next. Guests the president of the southern. Baptist theological seminary Dr Alber Molar. How are you sir? Eric I'm doing great. Thank you and by the way, but just tell your listeners that you're in make and is not a part of the Southern Baptist Convention so just just had to say that. Yes, that's true. Tha- THA-. That's very true now I WANNA talk boy I've got lots to talk to you about it, and you know I. I've got to say well you your morning briefing podcasts I am not a big podcast. Listener in yours is is just must-listen to it. So reminds me back in the day. My Dad was a huge Paul Harvey. Fan and the format. You Use an August I love listening to it every day. Well, I deeply appreciate that arrogant. That means a lot to know. Well so your new. The Gathering Storm Secularism Culture, and the church came out of the beginning of the month and boys in a highly book to come out right now, even before the Supreme Court decision, but now even more so. The Supreme Court decision is certainly a big wake up call for Christians. Something's going on here. The the tectonic plates of the culture shifting, and as you know I borrowed that the title of the book, The gathering storm from the first volume of Winston Churchill's history of the Second World War, the whole point of Churchill was that for the decade of the Nineteen Thirties all the smart people in Europe tried to deny the obvious, and that was the the gathering storm, but Nazi Germany I'm not saying that our time's exactly an. Analog to that, but the point is that I want to help people to connect the dots and see what's going on. The the secularization of our culture is comprehensive, not just a little issue here and there you can't take Mondays. TRAGIC SUPREME, court decision and explain it in a vacuum. It has to be a far larger process of vast moral and social change. It. Let's talk about that moral, so change I've argued for a while now that we are seeing is. We're not seeing the Indian of religion. We're seeing the creation of a new religion where God is now. Government and religious is now protests in the streets and the Sacramento's abortion, and it seems like all of the parallels were seen now on the left these days, the secular left that doesn't believe in God actually mirrors would would other religions would do. You know you you some of the same language I. do especially about abortion being a sacrament that that that's a very sad thing to have to say, but you know this is the way it's been throughout the modern age. Eric all of the pseudo religious Utopian political systems have taken on a religious structure. They have they have a creation account. They have an escalade. they have their own a message of salvation, and yes, they I think by the way you and I know this because human beings are made God's image, and and they know that they're dealing with ultimate issues, and so I mean there was no one as ardently religious in one sense as the Guardians of the secularism of the Soviet, Union and yeah. We see the same thing going on right now. We do I I've got a what am I? You may know Dirk Thomas for from theological seminary I took all of my systematics with Derek and one of the things he always has said is that was secularism? You have no answer for what Kate, what came before the Big Bang and Christians do, and I'll never forget. One time mentioned that speech and I had an atheist come up to me afterwards. Afterwards and was just that was in in a twenty minute speech that was the line that enraged him that somehow I could have a definitive knowledge of what happened before the Big Bang in how dare I, even suggest that, and that has always struck me that we're Christians really do have a level of certainty that the world doesn't have The world is very certain that none of us should have certainty. Absolutely, except about the things in which the secular is believed, we must have absolute certainty like about the fact that someone born biologically male can now be. declared to be a woman So you know I. I'm astounded by the the certainties that aren't certain at all that are now being coerced and enforced by the the secular progressives they have their list of certainties and they're. They're going to press them to the Max. So, yes, so they believe in science, but believe that you can be born gay or straight, but pick whether or not you're boy or girl. What they believe in is is is that all the old authoritative positions? All the existing moral structures have to be swept away. They'll use science at. That's the argument, but as you're pointing out quite right rightly, they will use whatever is is at hand to make this argument. Inconsistencies are massive. If you take them on you know the issues related to biology will all of a sudden they're like postmodern deconstructionist's but on climate change and and other issues. No, they they, they bring out the reams of data, and these are debatable issues, but the fact is. There's no consistency in their argument. So. You may have to correct me here because I may be completely wrong and I'm recalling an old lecture from from Dr Thomas that. When Paul is making his arguments on the Areopagus, he's essentially calling back to the Greek philosopher there too old ideas because at the time in in in Greek Society the new ideas retreated skeptically, but in the modern rich wealthy, Roman society that was thrown off the shackles of of Jupiter and and the Gods. It was the new ideas that were embraced and I was. He was using this. This to try to show what with secularism here if you use the dichotomy between the Greeks and the Romans in this Roman society that compared to the Greek, seemed to be more secular, even despite all the symbolism ritual that in this society, we have secularist, who every new ideas seized upon, and all the old ideas have to be cast aside and yet when you actually look at stable societies, it's it's people should be much more suspicious of the new ideas and may be a little more grounded in the old ideas. Absolutely because it just even the stuff going on on on so much of the current conversation, even on the streets of America. folks have to use the products of the inherited civilization of the West in order to make the critique against the West that they insist upon upon the streets. not to say that they're valid issues being raised, but the fact is, they're saying tear down their system, but this system is the only system that has allowed the kind of of movement that they have created. Now! A A lot of people here. His talk in in a it's, it's to some degree in Echo. Chamber and then I think the people listening to you need to agree would be agreed and nodding along with us. Where do Christians go from here I see some people want to withdraw in word in and pull away from society, and yet Jesus says you've got to go out and preach and teach and make disciples. Where's the balance for people of faith? You know that's a great question. Eric I. Don't think that's hard to challenge for us as many people might. Might kind of imply for one thing I don't think there's any great danger to Hollywood. That Christians are going to take over the the major studios. The engines of cultural production are already outside of our hands, and I mean far outside of our hands. And in the hands of people who look at the modern Democratic Party is woefully to conservative higher education that dominant culture, just basically way outside our control, the media, empires and and the powers that be in the in the larger economy, largely in the in the same situation, and so it's not as if Christians have to sit down and say okay. Do we run the culture or not? Well? Here's a clue. We're not running the culture. And so the question is. How do we negotiate faithfully? Raise our children. be people, arches, and yes, like the early Christians in the Roman Empire be a transformative influence given what we do, have as as our ability to to preach and teach to share to show the world where Christianity is. It does almost see and I'm I'm bothered by Gosh I I WANNA. Be careful how I say this. Because I want to offend certain people there seems to be a movement within Christendom to make it look in some way cooler relevant to culture in a way that I. don't necessarily know is is good for Christianity that we should almost be counter cultural at it seems to me in set ourselves apart if you go back to the. The early church. One of the things that stood out to the Roman society was how these these Christians were doing. These weird things like taking care of strangers and stuff that that wasn't wasn't something Roman. Society did a very litigious society here. These people who aren't suing each other, and it seems to me that we should almost be more cultural, and as society crumbles. People look and say hey. Why are these people not like the rest of us? Right, you know it reminds me of. What we as Christians is the tenacity of love and we. We've gotTA keep loving people when they don't love us. And when. I understand what you're talking about there. There's there's certainly an impulse to want to be culturally acceptable or at least culturally cool on something. But the fact is that if we really believe that we are held by scripture to say just a biblical understanding of sexuality and gender, then to be honest, the world's not going to consider as cool no matter how good are paintings are and so we just have to be found guilty of doing good, even when people are opposed to US and again that didn't have to be put in the New Testament if it wasn't going to be needed, and so evidently needed, and and we're not to be anxious and in fear, and certainly not an anger towards the world rather, this is an opportunity I show the world what what Christ people do, and and and how we live. If you're just tuning I'm talking to Dr Muller from southern. Baptist theological. Seminary new book is out the gathering storm, secular culture and the Church before I let you go. Let let me switch to politics gently here. I continued to engage with people who I I know they're Christians. They're good people of faith, but they're so frustrated and worried about the direction of culture in America and I talked to so many, and they say well. You know we need to be just like the left we we need to fight. Fight like them. They're convinced the left fights some Nastier way that we must fight and and we've got a fight in this way. If we want preserve things, and my thinking is always you know I I'm headed to eternity. I'm not going to do something temporary. That jeopardizes my witness to other people, and it just seems like even within Christianity these days there's a segment of Christians who are so worked up and spun up on Politics that they're almost losing their religion thinking. They've gotTA lose it to save it. Yeah that's a very legitimate concern. There is no biblical justification for living in a mode of anger. And so that's that's something that really is is not an option for us and and I love what you that up with so many Christians saying, look at the left and look at how they play ball, and and look at the at the take. No prisoners approach well. The secular left thinks that their plan is all there. Is We as Christians? Christians we we're I'm a conservative, a very proud, traditional conservative, but I don't believe that politics is ever going to deliver on all that that I look for I believe only Christ will, and so you know, Christians. We're the people who can't take the route of ultimate politics because we can't wait. Politics is ultimate. We didn't have to be faithful. Absolutely, I I often these days with environmentalists that it's so interesting to watch the secular religion that in Christianity as long as you repent of your sins, you get salvation, and in secularism you can repent of your sins as long as you want, but as long as there are other centers. You're still toast unless you get rid of them and. Awful lot of what's going on is is repenting. Someone else's sent. Right You know you mentioned the climate change as people get on an airplane and fly across the Atlantic. Go to a conference. Complain about people who fly across the Atlantic. Right absolutely, and now that this terrible trend I'm seeing that that you and I may not be a racist, but we we've had racist ancestors in there, for we benefited from their sin, and we must repent of their sin, and somehow make right there and I. Don't know that that ins well in in the arguments of the day in any capacity. Well, for one thing, we can't explain who we are without our ancestors, and another thing, a biblical understanding, we cannot repent for someone else ascend we can we can. We can note it with lament, but but we can't repent for the dead. We can only repent for our own sense. We've got to do our best to live faithfully in this world, and we take history into account, but but we've got to live in this world and faithfulness and you know the the behind all of that. Is. is is frankly frustration with society that that can never turn out in a healthy way, and we're testing points in this culture right now, and that means only as a culture being tested, but but we are. The church is being tested as well. Definitely, so who are it's a pleasure to spend some time with you on the phone. I really did enjoy this conversation and I have not yet gotten my copy of your book, but I intend to the gathering storm. Thank you for stopping by I. Really appreciate it. Larry. Thank you so much enjoyed the conversation. I'M GONNA. Make sure you get that book. Thank you so much. We actually don't don't don't don't because I have been a authors well. I know I need to buy a copy. And I actually just click the button, so it's coming. Thank you God. Bless you and it's been great. I enjoyed the intelligent conversation. Thank you so much. L. Muller Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, his new book, the Gathering Storm, secularism, culture and the Church his book I. Just clicked it Seventeen, ninety, nine hard cover, but nine hundred seventy five. If you get it on kindle Amazon. I've read multiple copies of his book. They were supposed to send. Send me a review copy in. They actually said it to my office, and said of the House, so I haven't seen it but I intend to read it because I've read all of Al's books and I will read this one as well When we come back, we've got to delve into the police shooting and the John Bolton controversy if you WanNa, get a copy of. Of, Al Moeller's book The gathering storm text the word data, two, three, three, seven, seven seven, and I will send you back a link. You'll get the I e a H. and remodel the Georgia model for for where we are with the virus, but at the top I have put in L. Molars. Boggling Amazon so you can buy the gathering storm I enjoy the conversation. Conversation I I'll or somebody who look to respect deeply We've not actually spent that much time in conversation. We've traded emails in the past, but we've never actually had a extend conversations, so that was good. I was so glad to have him now. We've got other stuff to talk about John Bolton. The fallout is beginning from his book. They're sending me a copy of it. I got an angry email. Yesterday in fact you know I. It was actually a direct message on Instagram I don't want to. I don't want to be critical of the person who senate I understand where she's coming from a, but she's very upset with me because I said. I have invited John Bolton to come on and talk about his book. And here here's what she said. I have been your greatest fan and listen to your show every day. I've defended and supported you and others called progressive and sheep's clothing. I've always believed in your commitment to our country until today in all caps. I thought I was hearing things. When I heard John. Bolton's name I almost passed out when you said he was going to be a guest on your show. Do you need ratings that bad or do you have to need to create more chaos? America is in the. The most turbulent time in American history like him or not re election of Donald. Trump is the only thing standing between freedom and socialism. Yet you have chosen to host the very man who betrayed the president by writing a book containing classified information that could potentially hurt trump right now. Our choices are slim. Why are you open to this Pandora's box now? Why are you being paid off? I'm not a blind trump follower. Here's what I am an American mother who is absolutely terrified. You're just adding more stress. I do not mean to stress. You guys out. But I am actually fascinated by the fallout from this book. because this is a guy who went on TV repeatedly demanded to be in the trump administration able I shouldn't say demanded, but clearly campaign to be in the trump administration got the job serve their apparently saw all of this that was going on, and chose not only to not leave but also to not participated impeachment hearings and waited until his book came out to spill the beans right before the election and I want to ask. Ask about it. This is a man I have respected for quite awhile. this is the man most of the people. In fact, I actually, this is kind of funny, so one of the people who complain yesterday when I said I I was going to be guests on the program and talk to him about his book is someone who just let me on fire and I started digging around, and you go back long enough and people's. facebook pages, and you find all sorts of like all his stuff cheering on John Bolton. This is the thing that that actually strikes me right now. Most interesting is the most interesting part of the conservative movement is how quickly people are willing to turn on those they once liked. And I am deeply fascinated by this John. Bolton someone I've always taken seriously. He's got a book out. He's got concerns about the president. I'm interested in those concerns, but I'm also very interested in. Why do you wait until now? When your book comes out to do that, is this opportunistic, and why should it now have credibility But I think John. Bolton is someone those of us all the right long respected loved him when he was UN ambassador under George W Bush. booed the Senate when they blocked him from becoming the permanent UN. Ambassador cheered when he came into the trump. Administration I'm going to vilify the guy now but I am deeply still interested in and somewhat skeptical of the claims that his book and I think being someone who is skeptical of the president but. Vote, for the president and being is being a former fan of Bolton's. Who's also skeptical of him. I think you guys should get answers to your questions as much as I should get answers to mind not trying to stress anybody not trying to freak anybody out not trying to burn a movement down or or sabotage the president, but I got questions. I got a lot of questions, and so I intend to read the book and ask John. Bolton questions I mean some of the stuff. It just seems implausible to me. That is some of the other stuff. See completely plausible stuff from the President but also you can see it from one of two angles, and in Bolton has choosen to chosen now to see stuff at the worst possible light. Did he see it at the time? And what did he do within the winner? Is He anonymous I? Don't think that's possible but I. I question so yeah. You're absolutely right I I intend to interview the guy. I have invited him on the program. When we come back though we're going to talk about John Bolton. We're GONNA. Talk about well this situation, a Monroe County, and also what's going on with the police up in Atlanta and the hate crimes legislation appears to be disastrous. Hello and welcome it. Is Eric Erickson here We've got some breaking news at the moment I've got to get to the Supreme Court in a five four decision has ruled against Donald Trump in his bid to end the Obama. Era Immigration Program shielding dreamers daca program. According to the Supreme, court Donald Trump cannot end the legal protections for young immigrants. Four decision John Roberts joining the four liberals on the court against the president of the United States John. Roberts has written the decision for the majority. On that issue, there you go. Now the phone number is four, zero, four, eight, seven, zero, seven, five, zero, one eight hundred. WSB Talk I'm sorry. That's my evening show you guys have to call eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric, eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. I'm I'm scanning this real, quick and looking through emails the majority opinion. Is that the administration? It's not that the administration can't cancel Dacca. It's that they did it in a way. That violated. The Administrative Procedures Act so the president in other words. According to this decision, the president can cancel what was done, but that it was done in such a way that It was done in an improper way. Let me here's here's what they wrote. We do not decide whether Dako or it's recission or sound policies. The wisdom of those decisions is no those concerned none of our concern. We address only whether the agency that is the Department of Homeland Security complied with the procedural requirement that it provide a reason explanation for its action here. The agency failed to consider the conspicuous issues of whether to retain forbearance and. And what if anything do about the hardship to Dacca recipients that dual failure raised doubts about whether the agency appreciated the scope of its discretion or exercise that discretion in a reasonable manner, the appropriate recourses, therefore to remain to the Department of Homeland Security, so that it may consider the problem new, so they're not getting rid of They're not getting rid of the ability of the president to ended. What they're doing is saying that they. Need to actually follow proper procedure. There's an administrative procedures act that essentially governs how executive orders and regulations can be rolled back in enacted, and this five four decision is suggest that they didn't follow that law enrolling back not that they can't do it, so a lot of people cheering daca survives and actually John Roberts's painting the road for how it can be repealed there. You Go okay. I need to go back to something. And this is this is local to me. It's not local y'all, but but we're actually. we're. We're actually dealing with the issue. nationally and we're dealing with the issue locally, so let me this. This would bothers me a couple of levels. There was a protest in Monroe County. That is precise Georgia. If you don't know. where it is. Let me, give you the the front page bill. Weaver is the reporter for all of these things, and there are members of the Monroe County Commission and others who have come up and they are complaining. About the Monroe County reporter and its publisher Will Davis who I know. Bill Weaver writes this There were three common criticisms mentioned by the speakers they claimed Davis has written racist things in the newspaper and on social media and has published sensitive private information about individuals to embarrass them. And he routinely criticizes the actions of well intentioned elected officials. Okay. Oh My. So the reporter is only one of two newspapers in Georgia. That's growing in circulation. Some award winning newspaper. here's one of the things that happen. This this is what bothers me. The school superintendent. Came out and accused Davis essentially of racism. Not only did he criticize Davis Races and criticized his coverage of black citizens. Saying? This is a quote from the School Superintendent Mr Hickman. It's quite hypocritical for someone to be ridiculing are black children are black parents and our black community, but on Friday night bill the sidelines taking pictures. We've got to get the obstacle out of the way. I think the school superintendent probably needs to resign. And the reason I'm saying that the School Superintendent Mr Hickman should resign is Mr Mrs Davis send their children to public schools in Monroe County. I I gotTA. Say in part of this. By the way you should know that the Monroe County reporter has covered the fact that the school superintendents father had been arrested, and also that the board of Education had allegedly hired a child molester. and to have the school superintendent. Go to a rally against a newspaper. Where he blasts the publisher, whose children could go to private school, but choose to be a part of the community and a part of the public school system how his kids going to feel comfortable being in the school system run by a school superintendent who goes to a rally and says their data's racist. How how how is that GonNa work and here's the other thing. I noticed that they got pictures of the rally. And while there are a few black faces, they're there sure are a whole lot of white people complaining about a newspaper in Monroe County, a bunch of white liberals elected officials who don't like the coverage. If you don't like the coverage, don't read the newspaper. It's notable that this newspaper is increasing in circulation and yet you got a bunch of white liberals in Monroe County decidedly Republican County. You're lashing out so much for free speech. They only liked the free speech. That makes them feel good. You're. GonNa blast the local newspaper for its coverage. We're living by God. We are living in a day and age where you have a major national press lamenting the death of the local media. Lamenting the lack of coverage of local policy, there's going to be a rise of corruption. Show here's a local newspaper that covers all of those issues and the same liberals who are upset about the death of logo. There's like we gotta kill off the local newspaper because it's tearing our community apart. Maybe it's not the newspaper tearing your community part you. You don't have to read this stuff. That's the most annoying thing about this. You don't have to read the stuff. I understand the controversy around the country now these these statues. I understand the the symbolism of confederate statues. If you're black in this country, you look at that statue. Say This was put up on public property. As a big middle, finger. To both union soldiers and two black people and I have to look at that every day and pretend. There's no problem with it I I. I think if I were black I would have a problem with it. I get that. But you don't have to see the newspaper. You don't have to subscribe to the newspaper. If. You're a politician you don't have you know if this was a blog. We, would you be upset? No, it's a newspaper in newspapers have symbolic value to liberals. They love free press so long as it tells them what they want to hear. You got a bunch of here. Here's this Monroe City Council member Julius Stroud. These says they want better and more. In the Monroe County's. They want better and more coverage in the Monroe. County newspaper will go build your own newspaper. Okay Lemme this this is this is the local newspaper here I have a copy of it on the front page CD county at odds on nine one one funding crowd protests newspaper Coverage City Okay County okay final action to bring water to the Juliet air dimming. March for justice, local covid nineteen update. An opinion section. What else you got obituaries? What else Oh, you got the crime report. You Got Mugshots you you get crime updates. You get election result. Who can't. Way. What else is there? We got a community section what we got a newspaper with a community section. It's ROB's place in for site opens door opens heart entertainment returns Monroe County soon. You got the board of Education. Honors retirees. You Got Monroe County Kid. Choose going to college. Which College are they going to? Health Department reopens renovations postponed our cats invading the area. It begins virtual intensive care in Monroe. County you even got a local sports section covering the local sports and the place there aren't any. What more do you want? You want more local coverage. Go Get your newspaper. This is the point in your like. Why are you fixated on this? Monroe? County, because I'm so freaking tired of the hypocrisy of a bunch of these people. You're protesting your newspaper of all the stuff to protest in America today. You're protesting the first amendment. I thought we needed more of this. If you don't like, it, goes start competition, and in fact, the data suggests this is actually one of the few newspapers in the state of Georgia. That's gaining in circulation, but oh my goodness. A forsyth man is accused of a hit and run on Saturday after an alert witness allegedly followed him, and told police of his whereabouts Sandro derail old forsyth police Corporal Kim Barnett that she was traveling patrol road at its intersection with North Lee Street, when an older model white van headed north towards I seventy, five ran the red light on Lee Street, and struck the front of her Honda Accord before continuing down the hill, Jerrell called nine one one. The wreck happened around ten, thirty six am on Saturday. wonder who that was about I bet it was one of the angry people who are protesting. Who didn't like that coverage I hear! It's the school superintendent who got upset. I just. Wow wow! This is why. We didn't fury. It's me. To see elected officials in this should be level, and by the way Kudos to the Monroe County reporter for not blowing up these people they should. These elected officials who are complaining about the coverage that they get. How much more arrogance can you imagine? A school superintendent. Dealing with a parent whose kids are in public schools going to a rally to call their dad racist because he's upset with coverage I. Mean let's be honest here. There's been some pretty disparaging coverage of the board of Education and I mean I am now reading. I've got a couple of notes from people in Monroe County. different people none of them from wilderness. I do have an email from will Davis but I. also who do note from others in Monroe County about the The superintendents father's arrest got covered and the child molester issue with the Board of Education. Education Y'all listen I I. Don't mean to go, but I got my paper yesterday after the show. Man I wish I had this yesterday morning. Show this of all the things to get worked up. You got a bunch of white liberals who were protesting a newspaper when they could either go start their old newspaper or they could, they could just not read it. You got the Macon Telegraph. Why don't you just get the Macon Telegraph? They could telegraph could use more subscribers right now. The Macon Telegraph is my local newspaper and it's like three pages long. This is a multi section newspaper. At just outrageous and infuriating. That in all all the things to be whipped up about these days it's the newspaper gives us bad coverage. Maybe the radio show host will give you bad coverage to if you're going to be that stupid about it. Good Gracious, and you know this isn't just happening there. This happens all over. Everybody says they want local coverage. You get local coverage the suddenly. It's not flattering coverage. How dare you give us this coverage? It's like the district attorney in Fulton County is under investigation for the Georgia Bureau by the Georgia, Bureau of Investigation, so he's decided to indict those police officers. It had nothing to do with what they did. If it was not an election year and the DA were not at a run off. The situation would be different in that resort. Brooks would be dead. But the police officer would not be indicted. It is politicization, and that's why when our state legislature considers this hate crimes legislation, which is terrible. They need to at least make sure. The police are protected class. And thus far they have no inclination to do that and we need. I need to bring you up to speed on what's happening in our state legislature with hate crimes legislation. We come back because it is terrible. Terrible, no good legislation. And the Lieutenant Governor. A I I don't know if he's trying to kill it or if he's really bought into it, but there are some problems serious problems in his revision to the hate crimes, legislation and we're GONNA need to discuss this when we come back. You guys need to get educated on this and I'm GonNa. Make It really easy for you to take action to try to get rid of this all right. We need to talk about the state crimes legislation in the state legislature I am philosophically opposed to hate crimes legislation, because the thought crimes and the intent and state of mind of a criminal of a bad guy should be baked into any law. Already so essentially. You're charging them twice for for one thing, but you're bul because they were really they. They really hated the person we're going to. We're gonNA amp it up. The the State House has a fuel good, do nothing hate crimes measure. The. Protected classes are essentially race, national origin and sex and sexual orientation. Jeff Duncan? The Lieutenant Governor has decided to amputate up and expand the hate crimes legislation so that it includes culture and creed. It includes people who've been in the armed services. It includes the first amendment. It includes religion really notable that it at a time of church burnings in synagogue, attacks that the House of Representatives didn't WanNa add people of faith to hate crimes legislation very notable that they didn't want to do that. The problem though is that Jeff Deng legislation the the more I delve into it e- does a whole lot more, but it has some really bad stuff in it like for example, eighty member of the. The community could drum up a grand jury investigation against someone. If they thought there was a hate crime the DA wouldn't have to do it, he. Any member of the community could do this. This is this is a bad bad thing. And on top of that none of them, none of these these pieces of legislation include law enforcement as a protected class. You know there was an attack on a police officer for being a police officer in Gwinnett County. Around the country against police officers on the rise I've got a friend whose father is a police deputy who drives his car home at night and told his sons not to come by the house. Break now because he's afraid of of what could happen if I mean? His car is a big. Hey, there's a police officer here. I know people who've stopped driving their police cars home. Police and political speech should be clear protected classes in this hate crimes legislation if we can't stop it. We need to make it better. And I highly encourage you to text the word action to five, five, four, four four. Text action, defy five, four, four, four and demand that police political speech be added to the Krebs legislation. I am told by so many conservatives in the legislature. that. We. Are Not going to be able. To Stop something from passing. They. Want to pass something. Georgia's only one of four states. That hasn't done the secular feel. Good nonsense, so they're going to do something. But if they're gonNA do it forced them to put police in as a protected class. You know they should add the religious freedom restoration. ACT TO IT as well. It is really notable that our house representatives in Georgia did not want to add religious views as a protected class at a time of church shootings, and and the arson attacks on synagogues, and the like that they didn't want to put in that. People of faith, political speech at a time left leftist or trying to shut down people on college campuses, the police. They all should be protected classes in this. So here's what happens. If you text the word action to five, five, four, four four. You're going to get a link back. And when you open the link on your cell phone on your desktop computer wherever your tablet which you'll find a field, you put in your name and your address and I will connect you with your member of the state. Senate. And you will be able to generate a tweet. If twitter, you'll be able to generate an email, and you will be able to call them. I have turned on the call center which I rarely do, but in this case you need to burn down the phone lines in the state legislature. Light him up, call them and tell them the police should, and by the way if you want to call and tell them you oppose Acre you, call and tell him you oppose the hate crimes measure. Tell them to to kill it. Tell him don't you support it? That would be my preference is to kill it i. just I I am told by enough people who are so depressed about that. They can't stop it, but at least you can get involved and get them to add the polices a protected class. Text the word action to five, five, four, four, five, five, four, four, four is the number. The word that you just in the action and you'll get a link back but you need to take action to protect our police, because look at what has happened with the district attorney in Atlanta the district attorney in Atlanta, trying to grandstand on the backs of these police officers to get himself reelected. Look! If you're watching on the live stream today, please understand that the livestream man. My Internet connection sucks today. It does that is the technical term for suck edge of the Internet. Is it is? I have rebooted. I have done everything and it is just garbage today. So That's why you should listen on the radio anyway. There are plenty of local stations and you can go to the resurgent Dot Com as well and I I believe there's a livestream there now, we. We finally got one up now. I want to actually dive a little deeper into what has happened in Atlanta. Let me, explain the Atlanta situation for you and why it's a political stunt. You know so I've got this. Daily, newsletter that I do and I. put it out this morning and I WanNa I. WanNa give you a sense of what's going on here. Paul Howard is the District Attorney in Fulton County Georgia. He's charged gear. Ralph with felony murder in the death of Sharp Brooks now felony murder can get you the death penalty. He has not said whether he will seek the death penalty. He won't but you could get the death penalty for felony murder charge in Georgia, but there's some details you need to be aware of your and why? I think this is a complete political start the first thing he knows the Paul Howard. The district attorney is an investigation by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation for allegations that he supplemented his income appropriately through a nonprofit. Let me read you part of this This is from May. May Fourth of this year the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has opened an investigation of Fulton County, District Attorney Paul Howard and his use of a nonprofit to funnel at least one hundred forty thousand dollars in city of Atlanta funds to supplement his salary. The criminal investigation comes at a time when Howard Fulton's DA. Since one thousand, nine, hundred seven is being challenged in the Democratic primary for reelection, and is facing allegations of sexual harassment in a statement issued Monday Howard predicted. He would be cleared of any wrongdoing. He says that the G B I will completely exonerated him and his investigation, he said the timing of the investigation is not lost on me and yet this is a man who says we should see nothing in the timing of his indictment of officer Ralph. Irony no bounds. No, here's the thing as a result of the investigation of the sexual harassment allegations. Paul Howard went through the primary and is now in a runoff against. Another Fulton County Assistant District Attorney. WHO's challenging him for the job? And Paul Howard is very embattled, and in danger of losing and so all of a sudden starts indicting police officers. The man has never been a a seriously aggressive prosecutor police in his life, and now suddenly in a matter of two weeks has indicted three police officers actually more than that I believe. There was a situation a couple of weeks ago. Where two black police officers smashed the windows of a vehicle and taste to black college students in the end, the races important because they are accused by these two college students attorneys perpetuating right white supremacy. They were black police officers Black students, you watched the video. What you see is the students are being told by the police to stop. They refused to stop the police. Come forward. Bang on the window. They refused to stop. The police smashed the windows and Tasers two to get them to stop. The vehicle is when the riots are going on is all happening downtown? They get fired. Key Chalon was the mirrors outraged by it. And now the district attorney indicts them and says they used a lethal weapons on these two colleges, the tasers. You consider them lethal weapons. Yesterday he indicts this police officer in Atlanta. And one of the things. He says that his indictment is even though Rashard Brooks stole the Taser. The teaser is not a lethal weapon in his mind. That's actually one of the arguments. That he made. He also interestingly enough said Rashard Brooks was not a threat to anyone never mind Rashard Brooks was drunk. Passed out in a Wendy's drive through had driven there by himself. That inebriated so inebriated. He passed out. Here is the Fulton County Da. We were able to conclude. That based on the way that these officers conducted themselves while Mr Brooks was lying there. That the demeanor of the officers immediately after the shooting. Did Not reflect any fear. Or danger of Mr Brooks, but their actions really reflected. Of the kinds of emotions. So, as we are drawing our legal conclusion in this case. We were led by the chew. Foundational cases in this matter. One being Tennessee versus Garner. And what that case point side is winning officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect. That the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape, unless the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses and immediate threat of death or serious physical injury to that officer. The man turned around with a Taser. That Paul Howard two weeks ago. Said was a deadly weapon or lethal weapon and fired at the officer who, within three seconds shot and killed Rashard Brooks. Arrest warrants have already been signed. we are asking officer, Ralph and officer. Bresnan to surrender themselves by six PM on the motto we are because of officer Brosnan is now becoming a cooperating witness father state. We are asking the court to. Grant a bond of fifty thousand dollars, and to allow Mr, officer bras and then to sign that bond. As I indicated that he would become one of the first police officers to actually indicate that he is willing to testify against someone in his own department except officer, Brosnan's lawyer has now come out and said he is not going to be a state's witness, and he's not going to agree to plead guilty. This directly contradicts Paul Howard. The other thing you need to understand here is that the Georgia Bureau of Investigation that is indicting poll Howard is also investigating this the Georgia Bureau of Investigation is required to investigate a police shootings, and they have not concluded their investigation in this is to my knowledge and I talked to several D., and they're not aware of any police involved shooting where the DA indicted before the B I see it includes investigation. It's highly unusual for this to happen. the mayor fired the officers, Howard is charging them with a murder, or at least the one with murder. And he's weighed if not even waiting for the GPS he never even also with the Georgia Bureau actually released a statement to that effect. They put it out on twitter even. they said that the Georgia Bureau of Investigation was requested by the Atlanta. Police Department on Friday night, June, twelve to investigate an officer involved shooting at the Wendy's restaurant. We're in the process of conducting this investigation. Although we've made significant progress, we've not completed the work. Our goal is every officer involved shooting case we are requested to review is complete, thorough and impartial investigation. Now. I'm being told by multiple people that the conclusions within G. B. I or that it was a justified shooting given the circumstances within the video in the eye witnesses, but as that's probably why Howard rushed out ahead of them. Now we've got a bunch of contradictory information from Paul Howard. Two weeks ago as her was a deadly weapon yesterday. It's not a deadly weapon. Bras is going to be a state's witness. And now he's not. He's GonNa plead guilty, and now he's not overnight the Atlanta Police Department Oh walked off the job now. It wasn't official and it wasn't coordinated, but there were enough of them to do it. This is from the journal Constitution today a higher than usual number of Atlanta police officers failed to show up for work Wednesday night hours after the. The district attorney announced criminal charges for two accused police officers in the death of Ratio Brooks the department is experiencing a higher than usual number of call outs with the incoming shift The Atlanta police said we have enough resources to maintain operations and remain able to respond to incidents on Wednesday he. Paul Howard announced the charges. One of the two Garrett. Ralph was fired. The other Devon Brosnan was placed on administrative duty. Neither Atlanta Police Nori Local Union representative confirmed the number of officers involved. Vince champion Southeast Regional Director for the International Brotherhood of police officers told the AJC he could not confirm which police owns were impacted I was told it was east. east Atlanta in Buckhead. Were the ones most impacted? Atlanta's mayor said morale is is obviously down within the police department and no kidding. This is political grandstanding. Listen I have entertained people who have called this program and said you know. I saw the video, and if I were the offshore, I would have done something different, but you know what you weren't the officer. You didn't go through the training. You're not even a police officer. I'm not going to second. Guess Him. You know the difference between this and the George fluid situation. This all happened within a minute. With George. Floyd there were eight minutes and forty six seconds of a knee on his his neck where that officer could have thought Maybe I should do something different here. You've got less than a minute there. Forty minutes of calm and all hell breaks loose and less than a minute, Rashard brooks dead. Should, he be dead? No. Could they've done something different probably, but I wasn't there. I was the police officer I. Don't have the training I wasn't there I didn't experience it I'm not going to second guess them. It's very interesting to me that PEOPLE WANNA. Call out that officer Ross file though he he's had complaints against him. In the Bass what about Rashard, Brooks, criminal record. If, it's relevant on Roth is not relevant. Who did they do they pull up. Did they realize who they were dealing with? They looked at his criminal file. And? They thought this guy. He's got a history. We gotta be careful with him. And suddenly the guy explodes. Are They not allowed to have that information? This is. The mob. Through a desperate political, HUNGRY DA! Trying to ruin a man's life and sent him to prison. For being a police officer? There is plenty of police brutality in this country that we should be enraged about. We should be enraged about the arbor situation. We should be really enraged about George Floyd. Situation we should. To cares about their pasts. But in this situation. You've got a guy who explodes on the police knocked two of them down. Officer Brosnan, according to his lawyer has a concussion. The other officer gives Chase Rashard Brooks turns around and fires at the officer. Who pulls his gun and shoots him? The bottom line here is pretty straightforward if you or I. Had assaulted. Two police officers shoved them to the ground stolen. One of their tasers run, and then turned around to fire it. We to would have been shot. The color of our skin would have nothing to do with it. And that no one wants to distinguish that in everyone wants to give Paul Howard Pass when he is clearly doing this to try to win reelection and by the way put it. Oh, well, no, the grand juries, not even going to be able to get together until after the election is over in October. There's nothing nothing political about this. He actually said that although the election wait, this is a man who accused the Georgia Bureau investigation of investigating him to stir the election. WHO now says? Oh, no, I'm not doing this because of the election and by the way the grand jury can't even meet until October after the election. Wonderful dismiss the charges the day after the election. Just absurd, what is happening? Do you know it's? It's disturbing the amount of e so? I got this show and the other show and in the evening show. It's so Atlanta focused that. Don't really get a lot of PR for. Hey, let me be on your show, but my goodness gracious the amount of. Pr Emails I. Get to be on this program so let let me just say. Let's take AP Moeller. If you weren't here. The first hour molar, the president of southern, Baptist theological seminary. He's got a new book out I am happy to have him gone I. IF THERE'S A book author. I gotTA. Know I gotTa know the author I I gotta I gotta be friends with them or their publisher, or some such or be interested in their book to have them on, and just you just can't get on the program, but good gracious the. This morning I have let's see an adult toy. Manufacturer would like to come on to talk about the rise of the adult toy industry during covid nineteen that in effect, has something to do with. There isn't a baby boom after all from covid, nineteen people were expecting a baby boom, and it doesn't appear to be happening and the the the adult toy manufacturer would like to discuss this There is also the legalize marijuana person who actually is involved in CBD distribution, and how the rises CBD could make it easier to legalize recreational marijuana in this country who would love to come on Kush Company Holdings the premier provider of ancillary products and services to illegal cannabis and CBD industries. On, how members of the Biden Sanders taskforce or publicly pushing for marijuana reform, could he come on? No, no, no, the as a general rule of thumb. You're not allowed. This is my program. Go get your own radio show. That being said. If you would like to get on the program, you can call in eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric, eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. If you WANNA be a part of the program. There is other stuff that we must talk about today including, I wonder related to the police in Atlanta I. I have a sneaking suspicion. We're going to see a crimewave. When you had the police officers in Atlanta. Walk off the job. I just have to suspect. That, there's going to be a crimewave. When you see. People maliciously. Going after the police. I suspect there's going to be a crimewave. When you see people defaming police officers, and you can't be police officer trying to make a race issue within the police. I think there's going to be a crimewave. And I I would be delicate and how I say this. But I think if in regard to the protests. And everything else that's happening. If. There's a huge uptick in crime. That actually works to reelect the president. Because I. Don't look I think instability and chaos as a default. Actually Helps Joe, Biden and the reason I say that is because when you're the president of the United States and things aren't going well in the country. Even if it's not your fault, you get the blame for it and I've always said presidents get way too much credit when the economy does well and they get way too much blame. The economy doesn't do well because there really isn't a ton of stuff. That presidents can do. But you get the blame and you get the credit. And when the country's not doing well, you get the blame for that to even if it's not your fault. And I just I. My guess is my suspicion is that the chaos works to Joe Biden's advantage, but Joe Biden is so connected to and tied to the police and the chaos of the police. Sorry! He's not tied to the side to the chaos of the protesters against the police. He's tied to black lives. Matters all of that that if this if there's a crime wave I think it helps the president of because you, you're gonNA. Go with the guy who is on the side of the people who disrupted the police or the guy who has the backs of the police, because ultimately. If you're a soccer mom in the suburbs, you want your kids safe, and that means you need police, and they would side with the president of that, I think. Kim In Hampton I'm gonNA. Go you next. Welcome to the program. O! Paulo I'm good. How are you? I have been trying I. tried to call you last night on your radio show. Everybody obviously wanted to talk to you. There's a lot of heat going on in this country and for one I'm just I. Don't know what to do about it, I wanNA do something. My husband is a deputy for Henry County. My son is a deputy for Henry County. I've I've I've been praying I've been looking inward. I WANNA know if there's any racist tendencies in my life, I've been asking God to pointed out, but I'm tired of this. Why can't people teach their kids to obey the law teacher family obey the law. Don't go out and break the law and then respect our cops and yeah, there's ones that need to be taken out of the law enforcement and find those and I agree with law enforcement reform. But what can I do? Support and back the blue I guess how they call it what they say you know. I gotTa tell you. Being a good citizen I think that's the number. One thing calling the legislature make sure the police are added as a protected class to hate crimes. I think is definitely a call your legislator and push them on that you know. Kim I got a commercial break coming up I. Actually want to talk about this particular issue when we come back because you and my wife I think are probably in very similar situation. She's been doing a lot of reading and thinking listening What can she do differently? What has she done Where are we as a society? What can we do with our kids and I manage is dwelling on people, but it's also. I think there's an element of. Of It. That's beginning to grate on some people as well that they're starting to see. It doesn't matter what they do that unless they do exactly what the other side demands to do. They're still going to be considered a bad person, and that's not right. So where do we go as a people and as a country? Let's talk about that. When we come back. Hello and welcome. It is Eric Erickson here. Boy has a lot happened in the commercial break. We'll get to it. This hour brought to you by Mrs Griffin's Barbecue Sauce Let me you know. I give them casual mentioned in passing time, but I just I gotta tell you. Last night's dinner was brought to you by so there's this new place in town and I got chicken tenders and their barbecue sauce was really gross that came with it, and he won't be going back. I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA. Disparage the restaurant, but I was just needless to say I. I was disappointed. Disappointed but me and Mrs Griffin shirted. 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I want to be real honest with you here. this is maybe I am a cynical person. Maybe I'm not cynical enough. But I, actually think. that. The decision today by John Bolton much like the census decision. Has Everything to do with John Roberts. Thinking Donald Trump sucks and nothing to do with being a sellout. And if you want to say, he's, he's a total squish. He's a sell out. He's a liberal gopher. There are a lot of my conservative friends today. WHO ARE REALLY UPSET? There's all this concern revolution, and it's all screwed up A-. When do they turn on the Federalist Society I? Don't know Here's here's the thing. If you look at the if you look at the gorsuch decision on Monday with sexual orientation and transgender status. The way I read that decision. Is that Gorsuch knew this was coming. And worked very hard to shape a unanimous decision that actually blocks it from going much further so for example. Gorsuch in his decision singles out transgender status as opposed to being transgender another words binding racism that there is a movement in this country where people don't just identify as he or she, but as they or Z., or some other nonsense and If you read the gorsuch decision, he actually binds transgender stat us. Not As gender identity, but as a man who thinks he's a woman or woman who thinks he's man in no other genders. which sets him up to be able? To in the upcoming case of boys in girls sports say no. This isn't a matter of you thinking. You're a girl here. This is a matter of Biolog- sports as a matter of biological difference. And there's a big difference between transgender status and that, and he can cite this unanimous opinion of the Supreme Court to block that and the left on this is GonNa have a very hard hard position. On this DACA case. I've been skimming the Robert's decision. Capital has a much better descent. But I really like the census case I read it not as John Roberts. Is opposed to getting rid of Dhaka. And not as John Roberts was even opposed to the census stuff. But that John Roberts thinks donald trump sucks. And he doesn't trust the trump administration to be honest. I mean that that's the heart of the. If you were called the census case, the census case was about whether the administration could could put citizenship on it, and what actually happened if if we want to be really intellectually honest about what happened is that they made a political decision to do it, and they didn't run the traps. There are when you do something. Something, administratively in government there are procedures and laws you have to follow in the emissions are nowhere to do it. And they did it, and they didn't run all those regulatory traps they were supposed to run, and then when they were called out on it, you had three different people giving three different excuses for why they did it and John Roberts Bs. You guys don't have a consistent story here. We shouldn't believe you. Any said in the case. That, he didn't have a problem with them doing it. It's just. He needed them will be on the same page. And now in this DACA decision today. In the DACA decision John Roberts again says essentially. Only don't. You can do this. You can repeal one administration Camp Bhind another administration. This administration has every right to undo what the prior administration did on Dacca. The problem is you didn't follow the procedure by which you must do that. You gave multiple competing answers for why you wanted to do it. As opposed to sticking to one story, and and we're not gonNa let you get. Get Away with it, and that to me sounds like the that's John Roberts say and I think people suck, and and you need to be better than this. If you're going to get away with it or I'm not gonNA. Let you do it. It's John Roberts, trend with grover the room and that can make you mad and that's a fair point. That's not Roberts position. But ultimately you've got two cases now from the Supreme Court. The census case did this were Robert says what you WanNa do is perfectly legally fine with me, but you sucked in how you did it and you've got to do it the right way. And with the gorsuch decision Monday I actually am in the camp of people. Given what I know behind the scenes about both gorsuch and Roberts. I genuinely am in the camp that Gorsuch and Robert joined the majority. To make sure that they could steer this case now to prevent other things in the future. and. You can say this wrong and they should have done it in I. Agree with you actually I'm just trying to explain why they did it. Don't take my analysis of it as an endorsement of it, it's not. But I think that's what they're doing. And I don't think that they are suddenly selling out an I. Don't think that they are are suddenly collapsed. I don't think that they're suddenly bad I. Think you will start see now now that we got a couple of cases coming up, we'll. We'll be able to decide whether or not. This is the case or not. But I do also think that you will see gorsuch in Cavanaugh and Roberts be decidedly more conservative. If there's a by administration. but that happened and in so happening. Conservatives are outraged today that they lost their legal revolution. having been emotionally invested in judges, stopping bad things from happening those judges not only stopped it, but made it worse. which again is why I think conservatives should not put their hope in the judiciary. You too much like the left need to learn how to win elections, and you say well. We won we won. We won the presidency. Yes, you win the presidency, but you lost the popular vote there and then you lost Congress two years later. And the way the polling is Gordon Right now. You're going to lose the presidency. And the president needs to figure this out. The president needs to come up with a plan to win. There is great lamenting and listen the New York Times Maggie Haberman has this piece in the New York Times today of all the trump by the scenes. Aides are all upset. They don't think he's really in it to win it his mind. He keep himself. He can't help himself. Get control themselves. What are we gonNa do and the Tennessee. All of us myself included have in reading. These newer type services really come on. But I know some of these people I do in. They are a little bit concerned with the president's inability to control himself. One thing where I think the. We have an opportunity. Is. On police reform. And making it about police reform. and. The benefit to the black community. The president has had still think the president needs to engage community. Here's Senator Tim Scott Well, we do not than they'll have to explain to. The families that I met with yesterday at the White House and the families that I met with the yesterday in my office ally. We're not willing to take seriously. Some of the changes that are important to those families who've lost loved ones because of the police interaction. The spill modeled after much of the house. Bill is an important step in the right direction it also includes to focus is the focus of the president and the priorities. In the executive order, so we have a chance to do something meaningful or the American, people especially communities of color or losing a confidence in the institutions of authority in this country. They are and I think the Republicans had the opportunity to build back up trust in the police. In this country. I WANNA. Play you two clips that happened on the focusing yesterday. Tim Scott has been attacked as being a token. By, some partisan activists in Dick Durbin the senator of Illinois. Wins to the floor of the city yesterday. Senator Scott pursuing police reform, but not just pursuing police perform. He's got a lot of what the Democrats. What in the legislation and this is how Dick Durbin talks about it. We fought this issue in America for over four hundred years. That's how long slavery. Slavery came to our shores. And the racism the phone from it. was part of it. Is still very much alive in America and seen in video after video. And these younger people are telling us once and for all change it grownups. You're supposed to be in charge. You're supposed to have the authority. So what we say democratic cited. Historic moment the singular opportunity. Let's not do something that is a token. Half Horn approach. Excuse me. A token half-hearted approach well, Cinder Scott went to the floor of the Senate to respond to think that on this day as we try to make sure that fewer people. Lose confidence and this nation to have the senator from Illinois referred to this process this bill, this opportunity restore hoping in confidence and trust. From the American people from African Americans from communities of color to call this a token. Process. I soul. For my country. For people. To think that the concept of anti lynching a part of this legislation. To be considered a token piece of legislation, because perhaps some African American, and I'm the only one on the side of the aisle. I don't know what he meant. But I can tell you. That this thing. To have those comments again. Hurts the SALT It should hurt his whole to have his paw. He's been called a token. And now you have the senior senator from Illinois. Come out and call his policies at token. And the Democrats are silent by the way that the other Senate. Democrats are calling out Dick Durbin on this. They're not calling out Dick Durbin. Can you imagine if a Republican member of the Senate refused to a Black Democrat policies token what the media would do, and here the I I suspect the media grease. That's why they're not calling him out. And then in of itself is is an issue of race. Now I haven't forgotten Kim from Hampton. We had all this stuff happened in the break, but I want to talk about this when we come back. What do you do? What do you do to support the police? What do you do? Support real reform in this country? What do you do to support moving beyond racism in this country? What do you do? And particularly what do you do when the other side makes demands of you? That are unreasonable. Let's explore that I'll take your phone calls as well eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric, eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. Hello, there okay I so. Kim and Hampton please be patient with me. There's A. There's a tweet that has over twelve thousand retweets. From last night. And in here, here's the tweet prayers, please. HUSBAND IS ATLANTA. PD stuck at H.. Q., because the protesters are surrounding it. All zones have walked off the job. Other shifts called in. A tweet from last night has got twelve point seven thousand to twelve point seven. Twelve thousand, seven, hundred like or read tweets and thirty, two, thousand, eight, hundred likes. It is an anonymous account that came online in March. And, you know I do my evening. Show is called Atlanta's evening news. It is widely listened to. If I could just brag about my ratings, but they won't let me It is widely listen to. And I talked to a lot of police as I. was you know if there yesterday? And they told me about the walkouts that were happening. I talked to three officers who confirmed it and told me the precincts, but then it appeared it wasn't organized and I wound up deleting a tweet that got a lot of actual re-circulation because it made it sound like there was organized effort in there was there were police walked off the job in Atlanta last night. Or. They were at their job, but they just didn't take phone calls. They didn't respond. But there were no protesters. Surrounding. Police headquarters last night. And I'm just so I'm looking at this. It's anonymous account, and suddenly claiming the husband is in the police. And the police headquarters rounded there. There was literally no report of a police headquarters surrounded last night by protesters in Atlanta. I and I do this thing called Atlanta's evening news, I do pay attention to these stories and I. Do have a lot of police officers that I interact with trade messages with they've got my full number ages very very interesting and I suspect we're going to see more of this of pot stirs anonymous accounts treated somehow as credible that maybe aren't in this person was. And maybe there was a precinct were couple of protesters showed up and they just totally I i. don't know, but I can tell you it was this things. Was this tweets been circulated all over the place and I am unaware of protesters surrounding police headquarters in Atlanta. which is what is claimed in this tweet, nor that all the precincts water so Atlanta actually is divided into zones. It's one way you can distinguish between outsiders and insiders. They don't refer to police precinct so much Atlanta's police zones. Zone is the buck area zone. Six I believe is east Atlanta loops. and I was told those were most of the officers who decided not to engage were and I heard more and more last night as the night went on that a lot of this was individual officers being so fed up with the situation that they themselves chose not to engage. It was not a coordinated effort or anything like that. But I I have to tell you I am concerned about. Militias Pot stirs out there. both domestic and foreign. Who are trying to spread rumors? That aren't really true. and. We all need to be careful about it and you know I've fallen for you. Fallen for it We see stuff from people we trust. And those people have gotten it from from dubious sources, and they jump the gun, so we jumped the gun and and I always try to correct the record here with you guys. Something like that happens, but we're. We need to be very very weary of this. Now I WANNA move to Kim's topic. And I WANNA spend the last half hour of this program on the topic and I'm also willing to take your phone calls eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric Eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five and one of the things that is woven into the fabric of this. Is. What do you do about the confederate monuments? because. That's a I will tell you. I get more angry hate mail from listeners. Over me saying I. Don't really care about him. That I do from almost any other topic. And I have to. Tell you in my mind? I there. There's an issue there. And it troubles me. There is a path forward for this country and for us for those of you. WHO LISTENERS CONSERVATIVES? In it is a path as of some level of compromise. In some level of recognition. But also some level of defiance. There comes a time where we're probably going to have to dig our heels in. And say nope. Not going down. This path. And I suspect that time is fast approaching for those of us, who say you know what there are problems of this country and we need and we need to fix those problems but we're not gonna fix them in this. We're not going to embrace socialism the route capitalism. We're not going to engage in wholesale wealth redistribution. There are things that can be done and things that should be done, but also what do you do if you support the police, but also realize there's injustice in the country well, there's a path forward for that as well. We need to talk about that all when we come back, I'll take your phone calls as well right here. On the Eric Erickson show. It is Eric Erickson here across the stage, and beyond now the full number is eight, seven, seven, nine, seven Eric. Eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four, two. Yeah, I'm giving it to fast at eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. In the last hour. Kim called. And her husband's a police officer. and. She's been wondering what she can do. With regard to. Racial reconciliation in this country. But also what she can do to support the police. If you live in Georgia. One, thing, you can do to support the police text the word. Action to Fi-, five, four, four four. And tell the state Senate that if they are intent on passing hate crimes, legislation, which they should not do, but if they're intent on doing it. At least add polices a protected class. That matters the. Tex-. It's the one word all use in the word action. And you text it to the number five, five, four, four four. You get a link back. Just follow the link. Put in your name and address you can email. You can even call your state senator until the police should be protected. But. We're in this weird time now. And I'm afraid we're going to lose it. Because of Histrionics on both sides. But the fact is. That we are not that far removed in the grand scheme of things. We're not that far removed. From the end of segregation and Jim Crow. We are further removed from our soldiers, storming the beaches of Normandy on D Day. Then we are from that. And the history of it still remains. into the nineteen eighties. There were places in this country. Where if you were black? You were strongly discouraged from living. We have places like that here in Georgia. That's just the reality. There are a lot of people WANNA dance arouse. No, it's not really true. Yes, it's true. And it is going to be time that heals. But it's going to be time. And you. Spent with your children. I am perturbed by those who e- essentially you're taking, you know I, I. I mentioned this the other day. One of the things that has bugged me greatly through life is. Is this whole idea that if you deny your an alcoholic? You're an alcoholic. What if you don't drink? What it, what if you've never had a sip of alcohol tonight? You're an alcoholic well. You must be an alcoholic it. It's if you deny your racist now. Or. You're racist. If you deny it the it is essentially a way of putting every person. Even those who don't have a racist bone in their body is being a racist. And that's not helpful. But that's what's happening that if you're not actively doing something to dismantle systemic racism, you are a part of the problem. There's only so much though that any individual can do. You can spend your time with your. and. Ensure that your children understand the history of this country, not the sixteen nineteen revision, but the actual history of this country. That we as a nation or founded by a group of men who believed that they were heirs of the British system. And they. They wanted the English bill of rights for themselves because they believe they were Englishman. And when they were denied that until they weren't Englishman but colonists. They revolted. It was a conservative revolution to grab what they thought was already. There's I'm like the French Revolution where they wanted to throw off the old regime and bring on something new. The Americans didn't actually want to throw off the British system. They wanted to throw off the monarchy. Only because at that point, they realize the monarchy was standing between them, and the English bill of Rights which they thought was there. It was a conservative revolution and you don't have to read George Washington Alexander Hamilton Donald. Payne read the soldier fight in the field read the ideological origins of the American Revolution from Bernard. Bela who actually. Read the letters and correspondence of the middle class, and and they were talking about all these things. Wasn't a mercantilist revolution, and it wasn't to defend the SLEIGH. It wasn't a defense slavery in fact. The people in this country in the American revolution who fought the American Revolution most of them new slavery was. And it was going to need to be dealt with even Thomas Jefferson knew that they needed to deal with slavery, but they continued continued continued to say yes, but this is more important. They won the war. They built the country we gotta do something was slavery. Yes, but unifying. The country is more important. That, they wrote the constitution and they needed, or they wrote the articles of confederation, and now we needed was labor. Yes, but we actually make the country more perfect by dealing with the constitution, and and we got to rewrite the articles of confederation, and and do the constitution. Yes, but it's always. Yes, but yes, it's bad, but. And they continued to put it off. And ultimately the situation cascaded. It became intolerant. White Christians who led the abolitionist movement started with William Wilberforce in Great Britain moving into the United States. There was an abolitionist cause morally compelling against slavery. The civil war started the civil war ended Lincoln is assassinated, and a lot of people just want to put the country back together in a move wonders. If nothing ever happened up, you guys lost. Let's get yes, but slavery still bad now. Slavery is gone. They're still segregation racism. Yes, but it's more important. Put the country together. Now is the time longer say yes, but but yes. We're all of the beginning. Things have been put aside. Can we now deal with this issue? You have a country where slavery exists in a a significant portion of it. You have the civil war you have freed men now or give the right to vote, and then systematic injustice on injustice throughout the country, not just to the south, but in the north as well. Where systems are put in place. To provide barriers to entry to land acquisition to voting rights to the workforce, a system of separate, but equal upheld by the Supreme Court until Brown versus board of Education and we're still dealing with the fallout of it. And we're dealing with the fallout of well intentioned liberals. Who decided that they could? Expand the social welfare net in that families longer matter to the two parent nuclear household could be replaced by. Uncle Sam's man Boob, and on and on and on it, and we had the collapse of the family. We've had rise of crime. We've had black men in jail for for a host of of social ills where they didn't necessarily need to be in jail. Let alone even even charged with crimes. We have an entire system. And along the way, white people could acquire wealth, they could acquire property. They could acquire good jobs. In black left behind. And I think you have to acknowledge that you may not like maybe uncomfortable. But, I think you have to acknowledge it. So, what do you do about it? Well I think the one that you don't do is the thing that a lot of activists want to do which is to you acknowledged that yes, black people do not have the head start. White people do in this country. But the solution should not be too okay. White people hand over your property. Or pay tax reparations. You what reparations would actually do? All it would do would be allowed. A allow good white liberals to stop having care about the issue. This you wouldn't go away. Always just wrote you check. Bygones. That's what reparations why so many white liberals really want reparations? Is because they really just WanNa stop having care about this issue. They got other secure about they gotta worry about LGBTQ issues now they can't. They don't have time to worry about this issue anymore. Let's just hand. Write him a check and move on. There are still problems. But. Here's the thing. The problem is not going to be uneconomic economic socialist revolution in this country. It's not going to be to fan resentment. What is going to be time? And that's not fair. It sucks. For people who've been left behind it sucks. But what do you do in that time in that time? You do a better job of investing in your local community. You WanNa care about racial injustice in your community. Go Out and help in your community. Encourage your church to integrate better. Maybe find a church that's better integrated. Maybe, sure that your children have friends who are just white. And that their actual actual friends, not just casual friends, but real committed friends. To support each other and pray for each other. Maybe have your children. Go work at a food bank or SOUP KITCHEN NC poverty. And start exploring, what can we do to help other people? What. Can we do to engage community? See? Here's the thing in in. This is where I become a broken record. You're not going to change the situation. The country and I'm not going to change the situation the country, but you are going to change the situation in your own backyard. Seek the welfare of the community. In which you live and there you will find your welfare. You WanNa do that do that. You've got family who were police officers. y'All go out and work and be engaged in your community and be good neighbors. And here's the thing you do have to dig in your heels at some point and say you know what I'm not the problem. Because it's one of the things that striking Mir. The number of of of people I know. People. Who Were Friends of mine? Who says you know what I I am the problem? You are not a problem. You are made in the image of God and you are not a problem. You are a center. But so is everyone else. But don't be made to think you are the problem because you're actually the solution. You're the solution to ails your community. You are the solution to what ails justice you the solution to injustice. You are the solution by being engaged in your community. Does me gotTa pull your kid at a private school. Now get your kid the best free education you possibly can, and if your kid is in public school, you be in that public school every single day volunteering if you can. And if you think your kid would be better served in a private school, you get your kid at a private school, but you make sure your ears. Your child is learning the real history of this country. The proud history of this country that also has its flaws and you learn the flaws. In then you get your child. To be invested in their community. And, if you're in a private school in your private school is all white. Will you figure out? How can we give scholarships to help? Bring people who aren't white into our school. How can we raise money? Or how can we give away seats in our school to help integrate our private school? This is one of the things I like about the opportunity scholarships George were. You can give money to these scholarships. And they can be used by poorer families to get their kids into private school. We should not have less of that. We should more of that. There are thing you can do. To improve in you know, here's the other thing. We are going to have to confront the confederate memorials. And this this makes friends of mine man. I get more hate mail on this topic than anything else. and. y'All I love you, but I disagree with some of you on this. I agree that. Line to be drawn. It's only a slippery slope though if you slide. Slowly slippery slope if you let yourself slide. But you've got half. Of the country. Looks at these confederate memorials NC's. Monuments to the men who enslave their families. And I don't think they should be crush I. Don't think they should be taught. torn down. I think they should be put somewhere where they can still be seen. Or leave them and put a monument next to them. That shows we move beyond that. Put a picture of a Frederick Douglass. Booker T. Washington. Martin Luther King Junior. Rosa parks put a statue of them staring in the eye of the confederate soldier. He the soldier may be facing north and they're facing south. Put a statue of them steering the eye of bigger statue. A bigger man. I don't think we should tear him down. Put them somewhere. But? I also don't think you should be emotionally invested in their preservation. If we want to be a country where we're, we're all moving forward together. We need to be a country we're. We're also understand the sensitivities of people who look at those statues, and say those men and slave. My family and you should be sensitive to that if you're. You're supposed to be a good neighbor. And a good neighbor is sensitive to the concerns of his doesn't mean you always agree. But it means you should be sensitive and you should try to accommodate. That's stiffy. It's like man. I I hate to go there, but I'm going. There is like wearing masks in public. I don't understand the people who are outraged by the request where masks in public. It's about being a good neighbor. About reading ourselves of virus quicker than we otherwise would. All you gotTA. Do is put the mask on. It's not about you getting. It is about you. Having did not knowing in spreading it to other people, the old the firmed. It's the same with this other stuff. Commit just to be a good neighbor. Dig Your heels in when they come for you and say you're racist and you're not a racist say. No, I'm not when they come for you and say you've got to give to other people now which you've earned a because, it's not fair, say no. I'll help you go forward and here's the last thing. There are systems in place in Washington and in Atlanta in your local community. where the rich have set up systems to give themselves more of an advantage on the plainfield, it's not capitalism. It's actually cronyism. If you, ensure, there's a better free market. If you ensure that there's less regulation you ensure that someone with less capital can get into the free market and make more capital. See Socialism also shows. Do you rearrange the deck chairs on the on the titanic? You take from some and give to others, but you still those people who are in power. They are still in power. You're never going to get the people in power to to untangle themselves from power. What you can do is you can allow others to compete with them and right now we have a system that minimizes the ability to compete and a more free market with less cronyism in less regulation and less taxes, unless burdens would allow those people to compete in tear down the system through the free market through better ideas through more innovation through a better product and we don't have that right now. We need to do that. But what do you do personally at the end of the day? You teach your kids to be good neighbors to all people. To See through race to the character of other people. And you don't feel guilty or be made to feel guilty. Because of things that your ancestors did because they're dead, and you're alive, and you're not the problem you. My friends are the solution all right my friends. I am. I gotTA head to Clarksville here in a little bit I, I'm I'm at an event up there this evening. So you, you will see me up there. I suppose if you're in the Clarksville area, no reason to make a trip you, you may not be invited. I got to play this clip by the vice president of the United States because he makes a point as the media. Suddenly you know the president has has rally also on Saturday and the media is an absolute meltdown over the president having a rally after they turned a blind eye to the protests for weeks. Well, the vice president makes a good point Charles good to be with you. Thanks I. Think what they're missing is what the American people have accomplished over the course of this coronavirus pandemic. Despite the fact that some some networks like to put put maps up with lots of red states, the reality is as of this morning. There are only eleven counties. In America, that are seeing accelerating new cases, and an only about two percent of the counties in this country are seeing any significant increases in cases at all, and the truth is that now all fifty states and our territories are are reopening. We're proving we can do that in a safe and responsible way in the areas where we're seeing increases in cases, places like Texas and Florida. The reality is that those states are also focusing on vulnerable populations whether it be nursing homes or prisons. Or meat packing plants, and that combined with a massive increase in testing all across the country I, think is creating the impression. For some Americans that? That, we're in a different place, but the reality is because of the strong leadership of President Donald. Trump. Because the American people embraced those mitigation efforts because of the recovery efforts that we secured from the Congress and because states across the country responsibly reopening. We're we're getting there. We're getting there as a nation and every single day. We're one step closer to putting the coronavirus in the past. You know we are and even Georgia you're the trend lines were largely. We're seeing an uptick in Georgia. But we know where the uptake is coming from. Gwinnett county in particular is surging past Fulton County there are eleven counties in the United States seeing big explosions of the virus Highly populous counties and they are what are impacting the numbers here it would is remarkable to me. Is that the New York centric media largely ignored everything about Andrew Cuomo and is now suddenly cheering on New York seemingly have this under control and pointed out the rest of the nation You people are screwing up. Really not. and I I gotTA wonder. I still think part of this. There's a level of partisanship. On the issue of Southern States not being as hard hit and potentially rebounding. Win Some of these other states aren't going to. And I think that's a problem. I, you know I followed the site rt dot live, and it shows the rate of transmission if you have a one or higher, the viruses reproducing in society, if it's less than one in everything is good, and what what I find interesting about Georgia is that Georgia had fallen down to about point seven, and then rebounded up to about a one point two now download one. We're headed again back in the right direction, and some of these other states are screwed up. Georgia Brian kipps doing a good job and he deserves credit, not partisanship from the media on this.

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Voluntary Vixens: illness As A Political Tool, ft. The Prop Report

The Propaganda Report

1:49:32 hr | 2 months ago

Voluntary Vixens: illness As A Political Tool, ft. The Prop Report

"Ulis listening to an M., LGA network podcast. Welcomes of voluntary, Nixon's where Jesse in many give a female voice to news and pop culture libertarian twist. Join us to stay informed and challenge while keeping insane peaceful and most importantly. Voluntary Dixon's. I'm here as usual with my co host, Jesse Fellow Vixen in today, we brought on some friends friends plural. So we had before and you all probably hopefully remember Monica and I. Hope You went and did what we told you to do and check out her show, the propaganda report because today we also have her producer basically. Bribing, Liano. If you go by both or whatever. But we've got to them dynamic duo and on pumped was up well, now we're full on Co host because we just do this podcast together ever since I lost my radio show, which I think died of Covid nineteen. So was my producer on that and now we have doing the daily show which I personally think is better than anything we could have done on. WSB because. Well. We couldn't get very far and WSB. What's the current time started after eight and a half years on the air that was kind of it so. A lot has happened since last time we talked it really is a shame. That you're not on the air anymore. I was thinking the other day because I was actually driving home, and so I was thinking about while obviously, I used to listen to the drive time news blast drives home I also think about how insanely awesome was to have like a very articulate lady on the radio talking to people that had would've never ever in their wildest dreams of ever learned what Arco. was, but it's like. And now you're gone and yes, I do think has to be something with the fact that the CDC is right. Outside. Your. Window there. Yeah, and it was it was shocking. Enough have an an arco capitalist on the radio. The ideology itself was just seemed like people wouldn't be able to deal with it, but they loved it aided up. It was just it was just the true reporting Topeka couldn't deal with and Bingley found the events who a one stuff right away and we started talking about, February. Eighth I think and by February twenty eighth after literally eight and a half years of saying I mean, I, called out the Boston Marathon bombing is via. CIA operation on my basically debut show filling in for some big host during the week and I got away with that. But this is this is bigger than that. I think the last show we did before we found out, we talked about nine eleven covid predictive programming. Bobby. I. Think we checked off about every box. went out with a bang. This is what happened, Shane, who is the executive producer and more WSB. became hooked on our podcast which we were doing. During the week and doing the radio show on the weekend, and he said, I just love what you guys are doing on that podcast like you have to just bring that to the air and I said, well, you know I really let my hair down I. don't care because everybody listens to the podcast. Is there hear what we have to say it's like, no, no, no, it's great. It's cool. That's going to transform radio. So I just we. Let our hair down or just like Oh. Yeah. I mean come on. Let's just put. Lay it all on the table. If you don't know nine eleven was inside job, you have not been paying attention. And then? The next thing, I hear. So WSB is taking Monica Press, show off the air. It's like really why I don't know. I. Don't that was the answer I don't know. Yeah. It was just and it was funny because other people thought other hosts. Thought I quit. So wasn't like they're like, oh, she's that shows a dog. They thought. I quit. They're like, why would you quit? I didn't quit like what they listen to us. No. Telling I don't know whether they're trying to avoid a problem. I think that's why they wanted to kind of quietly do it. Yeah Yeah and I have to say unlike the other Monica eventually got fired. I. Don't think we were totally ungracious. I have made no secret of the fact that I think it was not a coincidence that was the Corona Times that brought ends that show. Yeah, but I feel a little bad because I, love my old boss and all those guys. But I don't think they care that I. It wasn't their decision. So they don't care that I speculate. I. Really think it was about. They've also fallen in line. Pretty good bits my gosh. Yes. When you hear the people all the people on, it's just laughable because everyone on that radio station should know the truth because they heard our show, they know what happened. Vacuum once the, you know the one show that might have been bringing actual truth to light, go on and what's filled with the same old crap, and it's echo either talk radio show. There is. So, anyway, that's what's happened. Since last time we talked to you, we really loved the podcast because we got to get into deeper. Subjects and whatever we want to talk about so. Whatever you. WanNa talk about I. Think I. Think we can handle it. It's something. That I wanted to just. Talk, about to. was. It something, I. Heard recently on podcast people talking about synchronicity and how I don't know certain things are disconnected out there and. Based on whatever energy you have or you might be thinking of or something like. If, you're vibrating correctly I. Guess it comes back to you in some way, and so what was so weird was maybe it had been like early last week because I was thinking about like you know we'd be talking with you coming up and I was thinking about you know the show you guys did with David Crow and I was like I. Wonder what he's up to I. Wonder what he's doing. I gotTA. Find Find Him, and you know check out his latest stuff and then literally the next. Time I listened to your all's drivetime news. Blast was your opening saying. that. David Crow had passed now like what the hell like are you kidding like? That's another example of with him gone and all that he was providing and continue to provide the fact that he's gone. That is. Pretty Tragic I'm choked up just thinking about it I he. In case people don't know who he was. He had a podcast called the infectious myth. And what he would do, it was very dry to listen to, but once you love him because he was such a nice guy, and the information is so great yet, he never would go down like any conspiracy path or any anything that he didn't actually do the and have a study that would pass muster. He wouldn't even opinion on it. He didn't make fun of you for what you thought or said he was just a really classy guy and I remember the last thing he sets us as it's. It's been lovely talking to you both and I thought I'm thinking he really meets that. It was really sweet and but if you listen to his podcast and the names of. His episodes are pretty clearly what it's about. He actually posted the scripts they were scripted, and he has references to all the studies that he used. Anything you want to know his idea is that germ theory is called germ theory for a reason and I heard him years ago on somebody else's podcast years ago, and I started thinking his way for a while and I noticed that my My health and the way I thought about health improved because I started to think about well, it's it's the illnesses with me and I may I may be vulnerable to what's out there. But I need to think about kind of sub cellular health and I'm not going to get into the details. But when I try on an idea and it, it seems to fit with my experience better. I keep going with it for a while. So that's so for him. When this whole covert thing came down and people would ask me people who thought. Maybe it was apply Chinese plot or the government was going to try to. Do this like a reduced, the population, whatever my first reaction was. I do not believe that they could create a virus that could cause that kind of destruction on its own is not really afraid of just a trillions of invisible monsters jumping up into my face and killing me so I. Just I'm not that I'm not afraid of the illness which you could be. Even if you thought it was a sigh up, it doesn't mean it's benign, but it was based on me looking at the world through after having been exposed to David. Cross. So I still think and I have thought for a long time that he is the most important person. In the world at this time, and they are continuing to play his podcast is up, but I was worried for him. Before this happened, but he he announced that he was diagnosed with cancer in June and he was dead in July and it was colorectal cancer. So I I really think I know people wait to get diagnosed, but I've known people who have waited and had more than four weeks I. think it's a little crazy. But anyway, I don't really know, but it is really tragic. But thank God. He left so much work behind. Yeah ordinary. What impressed me about him? Because I was pretty skeptical. I didn't know much about them until Monica, introduce me to him and. A research to little bit, and when we got to interview him he when Monica would ask them certain questions that he didn't have a background, he didn't try and speculate an answer. He said that he couldn't answer it and he talked about how because he has such controversial positions that he has to back everything up with with research and be able to point to point people were to go. I just don't understand why his eyes positions are seen. So controversial why you know if you're backing up with. Research, that shouldn't be controversial and real research such as and I've seen this study were these studies cited elsewhere. There's a book called Virus Mania which is really helpful at that, which actually uses. David Crows Research, I've saw him referenced in a couple of times. But one of the things that he put out was. that. There were certain studies. I mean you have to go to David's work or virus mania to get the references. But some of them were where during the Spanish flu, they took some soldiers who were sick and some soldiers who were injured, but not sick, and they had the six soldiers cough in the faces of the of the well soldiers. They took nasal swabs from six soldiers and put it in the well soldiers noses. They did three different things to try to get them sick and not one of them got sick that way. So that is one example, SARS was similar where there was a hospital that used. That had the. That didn't. Yeah. Right and and that was the place that had the sickest people and I. Believe if I got to study, right have to look into something like that had the least amount of debts and no crossover infections, something like that. Yeah. I remember hearing that and yeah, being baffled and there's no contrary evidence to support and certainly what he explained to us as Cokes postulates where have to not isolate. Isolate a virus because that's a misleading term, but purify it. So what you have there is a is just the virus. You take that from a sick person, you give to a well person, the well person gets sick, and then you repeat that process with the new sick person, and that's how you prove germ theory and I believe it has never been proven in that manner for a virus. Believe. So, anyway, that's the kind of stuff that he turned me onto and he always backs up like one thing I looked up. This is when I discovered how copious notes and references were that. One of the things I heard him refer to was a study where I think. It was in Denmark. or The Netherlands where they had. The tested certain amount of samples of blood for Covid and came back eighteen percent of them were positives. But the blood was two years old. The blood was from eighteen. I remember hearing about that one too. So yeah, I mean that just demonstrates and the guy who invented the PR tests. Said and got a Nobel prize for that cannot be used to measure an infectious disease. So the PR tests, how accurate can they be if? there. There's so many krona viruses out there. You know I don't know where the inaccuracy has come from can't I can't really get any deeper into it, but David Crowe Short did so that I know I, don't understand how it's. That's why it's real data I. think that's the biggest threat to the system whenever I worry about somebody. It's always, it's not somebody like me just just gathers things off of the open source. It's people who really unearth or understand or reveal or discover real information that will blow up a narrative that's important for the world shapers. world-shapers. That's a good one. Yeah. Yeah, they suppress. There's a book that's like. cures that worked miracles at worked or something like that, and there's a chapter in there about ten suppressed cures and it goes through all of the one of royal rife from back in the thirties, maybe who he allegedly cured cancer with like a machine that vibrates to cells and explodes the cells, and then he got discredited after claiming to have cured a bunch of patients and then two thousand, fourteen fast forward. There's a study being done arezzo state that is talking about shaking the cells to death until they explode killing them cure describing exactly what royal rife described eighty years before there's another. Another one where a guy had discovered the mechanism for regeneration and he was doing in frogs and he ended up sharing someone who had gotten a bad motorcycle accident mangled, his bones were broken. It would've taken months, two years from the recovery cured this guy in three weeks and this guy had one. He'd almost WANNA Nobel Prize and he was a military doctor is a navy doctor all of a sudden. He lost his job. He lost his funding and he had to go practice in like the outskirts of Mexico because he was pushing too far to try and get this re-generation stuff going on. Mean imagine trying to do and bring good to the world and being absolutely shunned at best or really like. Driven off the face of the planet. Some other extremes. Yeah. Only thing I can think of is that the powers that be like the pharmaceutical companies inside the CDC themselves, they need people to be sick. Don't want people to be. He'll job because then they lose money or they lose power, but that. That's a conspiracy I was thinking about that. Yeah. It Well I. I. Actually I've been thinking a lot about the conspiracy theory thing and all I do try to understand if the official narrative makes sense to explain what's happening, and if it doesn't, I try to see if there are facts that could better inform a more accurate narrative. So I don't know if people are conspiring but. I will say about the sickness. Well. Just. Put it this way. They don't. They don't have to meet in a room and sit around a table. The World Economic Forum puts a White Paper Johns. Hopkins picks it up Bill Gates. Then they they those guys actually did sit around a table for event to a one, but you don't really have to. You can just you can just send it around to university professors. Professors and it will disseminate in the population as the truth. But the thing about being sick I was thinking about this, I was thinking about race and poverty as to things that that they absolutely need to keep in place because it is the cornerstone of the hierarchy of the way, the power works and I believe Cygnus is also is going to be one of those. Irreplaceable Levers and that. They were talking about crony virus, vaccine. That might be two shots a year forever. So and that. s Yes no I. Think it's a method to get a sicker. Absolutely, I. Wouldn't doubt that at all I mean like I'm sick just thinking about that or dependent on it like diabetes and somebody pointed out to me Trans people they are. They cannot not. They can't live off the grid they have to go get medicine they have to, and that's that's why I came up with independently healthy like be careful never to need something whatever's in the shot. It may have an underlying addictive quality to it and they're talking about estrogen facilitating immune response than it can have a fertility problem. I mean I specifically don't take birth control pills never have. I'm not messing with anything that's not supposed like I'm not hormones show. Like no and. That's actually you got me pretty paranoid that it is going to have some kind of. Sterilizing effect or could or maybe if it is something where it's going to be like a scheduled. A routine, constantly having to get new looks like it'll eventually wear you down and kill all your your jammies. Yet. Gammy. I think I worry. The reason. I think that is Bill Gates sole purpose in life is population control. That's no secret he was born to asser. Right, and we'll see institute called the Bill Gates Institute of Population, control used to be called something like that. Until they changed the name of it, I, can't remember the specific. Population. Population reduction. It was something really off the wall, but I'm just saying aside was taken like bill. Donate your gene profile here. We'll see if you can live. One quick thing that before I forget about it just because I wanted to ask you guys in particular. You did do and you're still doing obviously an excellent job covering what was event to a wine and actually maybe quick sidebar since he said basically found it really early on. How did you find it? Was it just something that was easy to pick up or like how did you come across that? I go to the. Brookings Institute? CFO. The, CIA the all all the think tank institute I. I go to their websites, check them out pretty frequently and I. Think it was on one of theirs being I think there was linked up John Hopkins and they were promoting it and I think founded on one of those things take sites. That sounds odd. We'll see with. Yeah. It seemed a bit weird I tried to find stuff like that. It's always going on. There's always some sort of operation or or test or simulation going on. We're trying to train people. Spiro is onto A to. Not, at an Speaking back to David Crowley is listening to his episode where he was trying to simplify the whole explanation of the RT PR process, and so he was talking about how There were increased calls to the CDC four it like I. Guess he was putting these cautionary words that you know if. The guidelines are that cleaning and sanitizing everything like crazy. You know all that stuff is around your kids are probably getting into it. You know, please be cognizant that you know these are dangerous and harmful chemicals and he said the CDC has been. Mentioning that they've been getting more calls recently. So I was wondering you guys remember when. That non quote of trump about using bleach to kill the virus inside US and everybody on the left. Took it and ran with it because the left can't mean and they were like, oh. Trump wants you to drink bleach and that's what's going to cure the cove it. So I really wonder if that was lined up properly with like what was actually happening with the fact that like people had more cleaning supplies out and available and in their homes and on everything and probably to a degree that was maybe affecting their family members and pets and things. I really like you guys, I wanted to ask your thoughts on that. Just because like what you do is you show just what the messaging is like what? What the headlines are, the messages are two different things. I heard that and I was like I really wonder if that times I I wouldn't be surprised I mean I I absolutely think that they take. It's that never let a good crisis, go to waste. They can literally take any story and Spin it any way they want and people like trump and Obama. It up that way Obama basically said nothing and trump basically says everything and you can interpret anything either way. But you got me thinking because you don't accept the germ theory. There's only four things that can make you sick malnutrition or poor lifestyle habits, stress radiation and toxins. So if you WanNa make people sick especially respiratory isn't doesn't the chlorine chlorine and stuff make respiratory problems I, mean it can. Yeah I. Think if you like Nick's like we with Orene an. Ammonia with that'll kill you something. There's a combination of things that it creates like a gas I, read that I read about that in A. Helen, Palino's book like one of the carriers with cleaning. You don't talking get. That was the your she. She could. She was a social worker and she couldn't fix anything else. So she started cleaning her floor one day with all these different. He's different things than she ended up dying because she makes these two together. I did I know had something similar happen they? She was cleaning a bathroom. She closed the door and she mixed ammonia and some other stuff together and she ended up getting bad pneumonia. And was in the hospital for a long time. Do I someone you knew? Yes, someone. I knew. Somebody. Sent US aged took a picture with their phone of their television that had and I remember re tweeting it. It had a picture of it said don't. But you know how? Like it said, do do in white and then it's not. The kind of blended into the black, and then it showed like the four things that you should never do, and the first thing was mixed chlorine ammonia and I thought isn't that what like the gas? The Nazis? Made up that kind of thing, and it really looked like do this. It was nuts. and. That time. Acted, like everything. They told us to do route. The entire lockdown was bad for us. Just sit at home. Don't go out exercise. Don't go don't leave your house. Don't go to the Sun. Yeah. Now they're saying that there's a sword today that was like. Study finds bad to. People by themselves. No Shit. No Shit. It's bad. Do that. To give put a ventilator in and prevent people from coming to see them in lock them inside. Yeah. Of course, that's bad for them. That's obvious. Right off the bat, but they don't bring that up until. I don't know how many of them died. Yeah. Until they slaughtered the geriatric population of new. York. New Jersey Pennsylvania Jared. Yeah, why are they keeping track of all these deaths from Kovin, but they're not keeping track of all the data center from suicide from drug overdoses or abuse. I saw an article asking to not asking journalists notch report on the suicide. Is I think they're going to wait I? Think they're going to report them later. And they'll be blamed on Cova I took the CDC website almost daily and I mean, they're they're data on suicides from two, thousand, twenty is not there. They have like the data's from two, thousand eighteen. So that seems a little suspicious data is so curated. Nearly. Impossible. Could you imagine any other field having not what a mess that is of its on I think it's just causes confusion, and then you get different numbers from different places. I. Think a large part of this is just a confused and demoralized the population. To your question a moment ago about when trump said the stuff about injecting into the body and they took it all to context the, they'd let them know what he was really talking about. I think part of that is just to give them an opportunity to say whatever trump says is bullshit and here's rim disappear FAO cheese medicine that he's been trying to push for decades. It's really expensive and it's a miracle even though it does nothing I, think it just gives them a reason to launch dialectic and then promote whatever product whatever it is. They're pushing and they didn't go back and tell anybody that some of the things that trump was talking about actually helped some people. Yeah, but he didn't say injected. He said, you know. Yeah, I can't I. It's one of those things where as much as he bumbled. Isn't really isn't articulate at all and doesn't really know exactly how to express what he's talking about ever It was one of those things where he said something and then the clips about what he said were entirely different and. You, know if all you're doing is listening to the clips of what trump said like your daily. Trump's immediate clips. You know, obviously it sounded dumber than usual by I I remember like. I follow like lots of stuff on the Internet and not even does say that I'm on board with cure anything, but I think I, remember. Like actually looking on Google, but they were removing stuff talking about I, think like ozone treatment and. It was something that like is injected or the did something, but it was basically clear somebody's lungs and I mean. What I was, what I was reading like made sets, and then all of a like that was getting taken down i. think it's a real struggle for them to keep these. Make it feel like a lot of people are sick I. Think they're all these things are contributing to try to pump up those numbers, but I think those numbers are going to crash, and that's why they're gonNA start funneling the numbers through the White House, and the isn't to get them until they're. They're, of course, course messed up, they'll blame it on the White House or if they look, they'll say the white, house messed it up. So, but I feel like if you look at the policies. In The New York area and the the mortality rates on ventilators which David Crowe tweeted me directly. I was I. so I know it was real, and then when you see that they are passing laws insulating people from even the already kind of generous medical malpractice. So I think Mel Medical Liability is for not following protocol. It's really nothing more than that and they change the protocol. So if people were following it, they should be enslaved by it anyway, but expressly go out of the way to pass. Pass laws that limit liability or at least suggests that for me is a red flag Jesse. I didn't get to finish listening to your interview with your nurse friend who is actually up in New York, but kind of describing how things were very ordinary and okay. So things might be out of ordinary because it's not every day that we're facing I'm quoting guys were facing pandemic but from what I was listening to, it sounded like he was very kind of concerned with how not. By any normal booker means things were going there. Yeah. There was one of the things about the hostile shoes at a teaching hospital. So they really WANNA. Take the take the reins away from the nurses and give it to the doctors, and they have to make a lot of decisions. So No, it's really where your hands are tied and you can't do a lot. But my friend, kristen, she's really outspoken. So if she saw Dr doing something that was harmful, she never hesitates to speak out. She's always been that way. There are times where they wouldn't to. They want to take they look they're longs in this in the they see that they were full and they would want to get put them on Diorite ex, but their blood pressure's already low. So you're gonNA, just kill them from low blood pressure alone. So there's a lot of things it. She had to teach them. You know especially like if you're looking at the long through like a chest x ray or see just cloudy, that's an infection. You don't take fluid off. You need to start an antibiotic at that point. You know things like that. So. Know She. That's what she noticed in a Lotta doctors were you know they were new doctors? They weren't like season doctors and it was really one of those things where she was there. Right win. It was the kind of like the peak had just kind of happened, and so she was there in. Hospitals really full when she started in, it was all hands on deck at that point with everybody was just kind of she said that like the week before they were having codes like in different rooms. All at once it was hard to get to all of them into Bingley point. If they are intent if protocols are changing all the time guys are new, that's going to cause confusion, and that is not going to have better results. And and they're being a good I was going to say you're going to even think in New York that you would train the nurses to do the nerve that those would be like the best trained people. But really they compartmentalize a lot of whatever does. Now. Kristen's done. Er Icu. Hospice She's done everything she experienced she knows how to do a lot of different types of. Like IV dribs, and she knows how to do different types of dialysis which the nurses up there there. I see US Nina they have specific people that come in do those things. But when you are dealing with Gino, a crisis you need to have people are cross trained to do a lot of different things so. They that was where of the changes were coming across with our life. We're going to start training these people have a lot of different things, but that was a learning process. So. By the end they stopped doing ventilators often this doing just by PAP and she said that they were all surprised that non you know they weren't as many people that were healthcare workers getting sick from it and I was like, well, if they'd read the study. That I knew about that. Do this would have never happened. But yeah, which study the one that you guys were talking about like with with David. CRA, I wanted to say, David Cross, but that's a comedian just. Yeah. Yeah. My mom was on a ventilator for a very long time in the ICU, and as soon as they started putting people on ventilators. I was like, that's that's not good date. They prepared US sure to for her to never get off of the ventilator and at. The reason she got off of it, but most other people in that, you didn't and. They have to have an advocate. If you're on a ventilator, you're scared. You're probably haven't delirium you. You can't ask questions. You can't think clearly, they have to have somebody there with him to ask the doctor questions and be in their corner and to not just blindly accept everything. Especially, if they're in an environment where the doctors and nurses are overwhelmed, they're human too. So to expect everything to be perfect. Perfect is is unreasonable and they set up a situation that took away the support network and it over overwhelmed the doctors and nurses, and ultimately led to a lot of death said just got blamed on Kovic when I believe a lot of them was the circumstances and the default to putting people on a on a ventilator right away. You know what? A table default like the most dangerous default option. To me, is I mean the reason why they're putting them ventilators? Guys is to protect the healthcare workers. So they're putting the healthcare workers above the patients himselves, and so that me discussed me 'cause like, what, what are we doing? What are we as nurses doing if we don't put especially since there's no, the healthcare workers do not have co morbidity. You cannot die of it if you do not have a commodity, so take all the people who are dying of pneumonia and treat them as if you don't have pneumonia because you don't see, you're not going to be vulnerable to it. The Bulgarian ahead of infectious disease that said, no one's died of covid because no one dies. If he doesn't have a CO morbidity and if it's a if it is going to kill you anyway and that's the only way to die, that's what you're dying. and not to mention one of the highest death rates in an ICU is pneumonia that's caught in the ICU. Or you know part of that Bank Levy so was your floor cleaning person When did they pass during this whole? You know I, don't know the last I. This was somebody that was used to clean my parents house and the last I had heard she was in ICU and I don't know. She's okay. You're not. I hope so but she she got really really sick he. What I was. GonNa. Say like. An I still don't know somebody personally that has been sick. One one of our experts, he's an industrial hygienist. He did call me like shortly after everybody started finally talking about it. On the mainland here. But he was like I'm pretty sure I had it like a couple of weeks ago and I got over it Should I call anybody who was like? Yeah. Of course, I work with top end up. So, I knew exactly who to call and Blah bought I. Don't know the results of that, but like he was saying that. He. Anyway. He may have had it. You might not have had it I don't know, but you got over it and so so if he had it, he's the one person I actually know who has had it or has died. You know I don't know anybody and so but it's always like your cousins, neighbors, friends. Yes. Walkers sisters rather in law, and so my anecdote from yesterday. I heard. Just because this is great and you know. And it came from a woman who like you can tell that the lights are there and she's buried smart certain ways, but it's like. God. You're missing you're you`re Missing this big grind spot. So here we go. So her sister in law's brother just died of cove it in Florida hospital. Okay. So in leading up to that he had cancer and had throat surgery recently the throat surgery procedure. So he was back in the hospital. Essy's exists Monja. And then there's the part about and died from Kovin in Florida hostile Florida influence. Of course, we're making it up where it's just like you know seriously I, they are making it up and it's like even looking at their the expert, appre like websites, I'm like I'm not seeing the the. The. Hysteria that you're seeing. Am I was been busted up and down you know for, Oh, you are different places only reporting positive so that if you look at a specific source of data you will, it looks like there's one hundred percent positive pursue. And I couldn't understand at first what the what was happening and I realized they're just not reporting the negative results Oh. My wasn't one of these counties, Broward County though like you. In Florida, it's always Broward County. Barry. County. It's always count. That's gone on earth Israel. Right? Isn't that you've probably take. He's probably doing the test for people that talk. Shoot deputies died after the PARKLAND shooting. In Broward, they one of them was like this is bullshit on facebook, and the next day is dead of something, suicide resided re yeah. One of them was was on the ward in the in the prison of Nicholas Cruise, the suspects. Anyway, that was one fishy, and that's the day the Internet died and it was outing sheriff Israel. That got one of my our shows dinged dinged on Youtube so that I got taken down a little bit like I could have recovered. But I stayed away because I didn't want to be completely permanently removed. But. Yeah. That was a very significant Broward County is for sure totally deep state. Story? Monica. Al Did everything about Sheriff Israel, how corrupt he was and just everything about it, and it's out there. It's obvious. He had worked for the school. He was in DC for the International Brotherhood of Police Training. He'd been involved in other similar weird incidents in Florida, and so the video gets banned from Youtube and then a couple of weeks later, Jake Tapper Jake Tapper. He does this interview with Israel and he starts he starts questioning him and outing Israel, he's outing the same stuff that Monica outed three weeks before. But now it's okay and now it's mainstream yet. No apology for getting your video. Still Banned Day playing, it's been removed and it was a strike that I had to kind of earn out. I had to stop risk at certain number strikes and three strikes and you're out. But yeah, that was weird. But I remember that takes trying to find the real story and it was the first time. Ever I couldn't find the real story and I came on the air mmediately on WSB and said, this was the day, the Internet died February fourteenth twenty eighteen, and I didn't realize that I would very shortly thereafter, we taken off of wordpress and probably that. Was the one that got suppressed. Definitely, when it happened. I think it started dying after the Las Vegas shooting. That's when. In my opinion, there's noticeable difference in the type of information you can find on youtube now, it's just completely gone. There's really nothing now, we don't know anything about from Las Vegas shooting. Joe Ya? No. Except for a what he got away with. It just it's impossible to believe that they didn't have a helicopter up there in I would say two and a half minutes and just take him out but. There's no cameras and Vegas to hack real world that we wish think in our sometimes like hopeful we're living in, but we're really living in clown world, and so you're right. That didn't happen. All the bags and bags that look like guns that he was bringing up that work guns. I've been like, it happened before that though I think there's a specific that you can't say the name of because it's tired. By Groups ticked off everything. That's what they cited to take down. That's true. But there was stuff out there. They left it out there for us all to find, and that's how they trapped me into getting completely taken down from wordpress. But I can't even say anything I didn't think it was a hoax or anything I. Just said why is Everybody. It's hard for our campaign. That picture in the wrong country. Why is that kid in the wrong key is a long story. Why two years later? Yeah Wiser. Picture. Its you guys over the hundred flowers campaign is. Now didn't China. What he did was for one hundred days. He told the public that they can come forward with their criticisms of the government. They can tell us what's wrong with the government and what their plans and their ideas are, and he drew out all the dissidents and all the people that ask questions, and they gave their ideas ended after one hundred days. They rounded them all up and took him to the Gulag. Absolutely I mean, right? Yeah, and it's just like said, these people today that and I don't know even myself. I should probably shut up and get off social media entirely because I mean Jesse. I just got kicked off discord. Individuals usually separately were broken this way you have the that story, finish your sentence, and then tell me. When I was GONNA. Say what was I going to say but you know so everybody making all of their deepest most innermost thoughts and beliefs like they're basically color coding themselves for when it's time to start rounding people up which it sounds like I dunno, I missed it may be, but they started doing that and Oregon Rothley self. You self identify that you are dissident by not wearing a mask. You're not gonNA have if you don't have a VACs, TAT has a record of your eye. Now, every other month yellen tattooed on your four. Yeah. So, how did you get taken off of discourse? We're not the only one. There's a bunch of like lady, an caps were friends with on instagram and a number of them got taken off to So yeah, they haven't responded to my email but I guess lake. Jesse hyper. I noticed of the girls in our shower saying like, Oh, I just got taken. I was like Let me go see if I was taken off and sure enough five, I could. They, there's nothing specific that they put forward, but they said that my account has been It. I am participating in inciting violence targeted harassment or threats. And what was the other one? Another one that's completely not me at all like. I'm the Hippie that happens to like property rights and you know. You know I'm here promoting peace and Ron Paul and anti-war and I do. Yoga. Others, it was like again, various, bad. It's like made it sound like you're like, we're all really. Yeah. Hold on. Let me get my Let me get my nineteen eighty-four trust and safety committee language Handy. So here we go. Let's see. Your account has been flagged by the discord community for violations of term of service and community guidelines, I reviewed those I still don't think did our team has reviewed the claim taken action by disabling your account? Your account was found of threats to others participated in target Herat, targeted harassment, or incited violence against individuals or communities I posted on twitter I was like I, mean I hate pedophile else. That is. Towards pedophile. That's so bad and honestly like I. don't even ever go as far as like. A lot of people will say pedaled files belong in a wood chipper and it's like. Wild. I don't wish good things for pedophile. Especially, the ones that actually active on their feelings and they don't belong in good places or this society whatsoever. It's like, I'm still not the one who's stupid enough to say online like I. Think. So and so should die. I can't take somebody reported. Flag is what I think. It was probably something Jesse, and I were in the same discord group or something and somebody there, I. Don't know if we really think it was a blanketed shutdown everybody that was in that chat and it's like you know. I don't know. I think it's the BOOB movement. I think it's the recent people. Like. The Guardian is mother news. have been talking about how the Google Movement is. The new. You, know not group. Yeah. That they're racist. Even though we've we were in a podcast where. They, talk about you. And this is like I don't know when we did our did that podcast. But like we were giving relationship advice for that particular one. But they the they usually talk about like the second amendment. Rights. Weapons and The right to bear arms I think that they've they've done a clue. YEA, they've done a few protests they've got they went for, they went to some of them went to protest the Dunkin lamp shooting and I know that some of them went to. Certain I don't know where the. different states were having rich. DAHM gone rally yeah. Yes. So there is that but I know that tracking people and social media based on the rallies they attend. Yeah, Nacho. Chats with these people and you know we've done a podcast one of them, one of those podcast but. I know that there was one girl and one of our chats who got a visit from the FBI because she was taught. She had been chatting in her DM's on instagram with with someone who? was, in that group and so there's something. UNDERCOVER FBI agent. bigly. Probably, an undercover FBI agent every time they capture somebody. From, the BOO glue or about to do something else you go read it, and the whole thing was instigated by some undercover agent, who is like? Okay. So you'RE GONNA come pick up the. The explosives and you find out from Langley or they got it from the FBI and the whole thing just seems like entrapment. Yeah, definitely will. So I guess like what got what made her get a visit from the FBI is that I guess whoever that person she was talking to I can't remember like he actually might have done something and like maybe to some com, some kind of public building or I don't really know I would have to go back and read it. But like if if I'm not remembering, it wasn't that bad bought like serious and obviously required some sort of attention and so they were reading his DM's and saw her name and I guess. She had made a comment and you know in talking to us, you was obviously defending herself. It was clearly like a joke if you knew context or we're listening to it, but she had I, think was even giving that guy like somewhat joking relationship advice saying, well, I guess you know you gotta find a girl who's GonNa, Throw Molotov cocktails with you. Maybe, that's the problem I. Know. We're wasting my. Guys, that can't get girls. We WanNA miserable I mean they do on April. So. I wonder when they're going to start doing it to audio, you think that they can. Basically, do you think they can screen audio like that I'm? Serious for collecting all of our audience, all the time. Co Yelling. Steer you bitch, but like what you said. If you start talking that right there. Okay. So assassins Siri, one of the things that people like to do or do it like what? What are you talk dirty to me. So whatever people say weird things to. Say Back. And a petition was started to. Make Siri and make the Amazon one. Alexa. To make them stand up to domestic abuse so that when somebody? You Bitch Siri will launch into a tirade about feminism and why it's wrong. You said that. Yeah I think that they probably can't track beyond you get a sex robot. Like Sivy talk to like criticize. No, that's not allowed. That's you'll be I, will show up at your house. You have we you somebody the FBI I had the Fedora Guy Fedora, chronicles I was on podcast thing. He was a little surprised that I just hit the ground running with. My opinions covert, he was just really surprised like clearly does not listen to me. I really enjoy talking to him and it was great and he was very respectfully left at all in. He did put a little bit of distance in his intro and I was happy for that because I don't want to get in trouble. But he was explaining to me, I'm not sure is on or off must have an honor wouldn't think it was okay to say. That something, it was something he posted. He got a visit from the FBI at his house. And I just it's so hard to believe because. I mean, who? How does that get? How does that has that happened Jesse? What happened? What did they? They came? FBI TO TALK ABOUT WHY? They literally will. She knows that they read that specific DM because they were asking questions from that conversation. So if you are on instagram or any social media in you're having a private message conversation with somebody, don't thank for a second that somebody's not monitoring that. So. That's what was creepy about it because they specifically asked her questions about like the Molotov cocktail conversation. And it was just odd. So it'd be careful who you talk to because I remember when we first started our podcast. And we were getting a bunch of like friend requests I. Remember there was one specific light guy that. Message to us and started asking like a lot of really weird questions like you know, just what your favorite conspiracy theory and Do you think Epstein really killed himself and stuff like that and I was like I literally asked him like, are you FBI because it was just? So January, it was such a weird question after a while he sought messaging name just left me alone. So I. Don't think he's friends with us on facebook anymore I. Get my fair share trolls. Yeah but not lately, I worry about text messaging too I. I'll go type something to my friends and I'll be like I shouldn't say that word I don't want to trigger anything and I think of a different way to say it. So we have to speak in code now, that's what they say about the boo. That they use irony. Yeah. Yeah. They use irony to speak in code, and that's funny because Google's Jigsaw is working happens to be talked about it for years working on detecting sarcasm and comments. So now I don't know why they're. So hell bent on that, but they are using the glue as a reason to crack down on irony. I mean, this is just beyond my ability to even get it anymore. The book lose unclear to me. I've heard where it's far left far, right? What exactly what is defining? It's I don't even know myself because I've we just know some people that I. Guess they identify as part of that. But I have made statements publicly the. A. Good Idea I don't think first off, I don't think it's a good idea to go to these protests like these. Protests were. Or the define fleas, protests like likely. Just stay out of that and I and I feel like a lot of us in this movement like we're all individuals. So it doesn't. It doesn't bode well to collectivize in try to have a movement together and I just don't think that that's that works in the long run anyways, and it's so easy to corrupt in full. By. Direct Malign I. Think I. Think it got. I think it got infiltrated by some people. I think some people. I've noticed a lot of them are young like really young twenties. Maybe I know one eighteen year old that we talked to. So it's like you know I really think it's mostly that age group I. Don't. You know you're not GonNa see I'm forty one. You're not gonNA see forty-one-year-old. Doing anything like that. We've got things especially with kids. We got jobs in kids. We don't have time for that. So. It's the people who are getting the checks or. That's why students is did it, but now they don't even have to show up for school. Yeah Yeah. They're still getting the checks. They got no school so and they're being trained on how to do activists. They can go out, do what they've got cabin fever. It's the only they're allowed to do. Yep, and it's not looked down upon. They're not selfish for wanting to go outside and protests. No, it's. Police pertaining them, but you know it's really You guys did excellent work on that. One episode recently going over the training video, one, eighty, seven, hundred. Homeless are always so angry listening to that whole. There's just the way she talks to like. It's just under understood. You should be very skeptical people who are eager for nonviolent protesting. Sure. Very skeptical and everybody knows that it's just it's maddening to listen to. Up and dislike, let it be reprogrammed into themselves and they're like, Oh, I'm this personality. I have a friend that I swear like she's been somewhat mentally hijacked in She's not gonNA listen this broadcast. So why? And I don't even know but Wasn't gonNA. Say Oh real quick back to the bugler thing like what my first impression of the whole thing was was like if you guys ever heard of the term collapsed the -Tarian. So basically like they think best case scenario, the country, the economy civilization is GonNa Somewhat Collapse, and that's a great thing and we should do things to bring on the collapse because then we can get our libertarian and Arco Capitalist Wonderland. That's probably not gonNA. It's acceleration ISM and we started by communists, my Godson like. We'll. So that's gotta be somebody. Else's idea. Yeah. That's one of the things that. I mentioned in another an interview in another podcast is that there's never been like any revolution has been violent and sudden it's never lasted. I mean, you know think about Russia, think about France? And America. They constitute place the articles of confederation within ten years. Yeah? We are violent revolutions never last. is they don't. Well, they get hijacked they. They get the grassroots because people believe in it, and then somebody is waiting in the wings who had financed it all along or whatever. That's why I want step. Aw Grassroots, participants of the first ones killed. Yeah. Their jail or they're killed their purse and the people who organized they gain political power, and they move up to organize the next thing that they're going to demonstrate their skills while using everybody else's ponds. It's like the it's like the Brown shirts end up getting killed golf in and. Just think about, Robespierre, and his men, they all NBA getting beheaded by the same tool that they use to get rid of the leaders of their country. It's it's never. It never works. It works for like a short period of time. But then even during that period of time, it's unstable and nobody's comfortable. Everybody's on the edge of. Seat Noga nobody can relax. I would go further and say the ultimate victors saying the French Revolution. Had, facilitated they first revolution and then hijacked it after the fact so that it's premeditated kind of to use real revolutionaries to destroy the old only to be replaced by a new power structure that does not include the revolutionaries that helped destroy the old, which is also the communist thing. Yeah. Not just ours. But then Stalin, again, not just like czars to the Bolsheviks Stalin thing as well. They give people under one umbrella. They get a bunch of people with conflicting interests to pursue a vague goal that they have. Since everybody has a different specific picture of what they're going after in their mind. But the person organizing knows that and they can't let people know that they have different pictures of what they're trying to pursue. So they keep everything fuzzy in general and they keep an emotional and they keep focused on enemy in the new after they've achieved their goal when some. Some of these conflicts start manifesting when they keep moving the goalposts and they never actually achieve a goal like Saul Alinsky says that you're going for mountaintop, but there's never mountaintop. There's always another another cliff once the fog clears because if they actually accomplish the goal, then they would be irrelevant and they can no longer have power because everything we dissipate. So once those conflicts manifest when the people come forward and complain about those conflicts there purged either you fall in line or you're out. and. Isn't that what the Black Lives Matter Movement was? That's what they said. They literally said, will never get rid of racism. And I'm just thinking well, then what are we doing here? We got to get on a path of an anti-racist life, which is just the way it's described that that training goes deep some of that. How to be an anti how to say you can't. You'll never be a racist, but you can get on the path for an anti-racist life and hear all the things you have to do. Essentially, it's like being evangelical. You have to recruit people. You have to be very active. There's no such thing as a passive non-racist didn't. So more crazy people that you want stop might have been saying. Like into the way they're acting in all this. Of course, white people. It's just these white friends of mine and are acquaintances or people from my. From my Montgomery, county, Maryland, like upbringing. As one of the richest counties in the Goddamn country. So I don't WanNa. Hear about your. Just anyway. But so this check was know commenting or who set up her instagram story or like made a comment about how the benefits of staying home and like being. Under. Lockdown together and all his family time and. One of the things I'm reading and I'm like, that's great. That's lovely like you know spend time with your family, and then there was this clause that was we got to talk to our children about anti-racism in real time, and I was like your four children are are all under four years old. What are you? What are you talking about racism for? Live in new. Hampshire. How many like? What are you doing? Yes. It's like when? Yeah. It just brings it up. I looked like I was crazy because. My. Daughter was in kindergarten. She's like five years old. They're talking about Martin, Luther King, all the marches and all that stuff. And I. was like, why are you teaching my spiral this stuff already? She doesn't even understand that like she needs to learn how to read and write right now. And do basic math. Yeah. It's an. So I have a son had experiences that relevance. This one was my kids. Sent them to a school like just a really small school. I liked the they did the trivia. It was kind of row classical education by it was really Catholic. I. Didn't really mean for it to be super. Catholic. But it was just happened to be the only school that had this tritium and. And they immediately started teaching my kids about abortion. My kids were little little. They did not know what sex was. Launch. Shot and I mean, that was very freaky to me ask dudes, this is not helping at all and then the other relevant they. So I was just shocked when you're trying to indoctrinate your kids on a politically charged and really. Were they. Honestly, I think third grade, I mean Oh my God. No, it was super bummer and public school sex ED in fifth grade. One Kid did not get as parents to sign the permission slip and he had to go to the library every single day. When we had our said unit, he's probably the healthiest kid. General. Today. I mean, what are we? It's It's strange and I think even if the Catholics that school really was into procreation and fidelity and marriage, and all that Kinda stuff, and that just shy abortion should not have been even in their own philosophy, the introduction that my kids had sex. But my other my son who did not go to that school, he has down syndrome. So he goes to public school whatever disability program. Whatever, the hell. and. He he is. So incapable of understanding bullshit that he the stuff they tell him, he simplifies and brings home. So he will. Just, a points at people and say he's African American or I am. I'm proud of my Irish heritage and he'll ask people where, where, what is your heritage and I'm like? That's that's not okay anymore, and then I started. Seriously, when I was growing up, we always ask people what the nationality was because. No one in my class seventy, eighty kids of my grammar school class and not I. Think One kid did not have parent- grandparents born in another country. Every one of us was the grandchildren of immigrants. So you would naturally ask people where they came from an an. When I was in California the first time a long time ago. There is a woman whose last name was Peres, she was a counselor or something, and I said Oh what country are you from? Because a lot of Presen- Columbia and although. My husband's Puerto Rican. But whatever. So she she said a heavy accent. How dare you asked me that and it's like I asked what country you from for? Also, I don't. Says why are some? WHY NOT BE? Anyway, I'm totally confused by the whole thing, but the mixed messages music, my son say things that he would never say because it's just not capable of understanding it. So he then when trump the trump thing came back, he would say publicly in front of people. especially. People of Color. Trump wants to bring slavery back. And you know. And in his mind he was like righteous and he wasn't even thinking. He just earns what he learned and he thinks everyone thinks the same way. What he's saying, but it's so offensive to tackle those subjects in in that level of propaganda that I i. it's upsetting he just doesn't doesn't get it at all and it is so weird. They're doing this child abuse. Yes, and began. Yes. So you can see how he's being propagandized because he's not complicated enough to absorb any of the details. So he can only repeat I asked what he learned in school. The only thing he could ever remember is Darwin and Climate Change. Those are the only two things just lead over an. Emotionally charged subjects. It's because they just repeat. It only gets things that are repeated and simple over over over to his credit. So your son has down syndrome and that's you know what he is able to retain, and then parrot back what about all the other kids don't have down syndrome and do the same thing. They went to that school where there I had to tell them to stop. Screaming about is and stuff. I said, hey man. Is Not real and I would send them and actually to their credit. They did stop talking about it because they were just patriotic. They just was nuts is so weird to see that kind of acute. Neo conservatism take root in a tiny hyper moral environment where they have to convince themselves that they only want to kill people because those people are trying to kill them and I would have to show them the videos like that's a green screen. Those people are not eight feet tall that person's not really getting his head chopped off my kids I. don't care if you tell them anything you want, but they're coming home saying we need to nuke. The. And I never I never told them that. So anyway, I mean I don't mean to. Get into the personal stuff, but the other kids. So now the other kids are kind of mixed. They know they have to think for themselves But now that they go to private high school and they start. Speaking. As if they think for themselves, there's definitely like raised eyebrows like have you not been conditioned you. Why would you say this thing I told like look if you have any thought that's different from what the teacher is saying, keep it to yourself. Yeah. They they go after the teachers because they WANNA get to. They want to get to the students. So you indoctrinate teachers or you get the teachers just to think that it's moral for them to promote a certain message and I had a friend who was in shoes in college. It was it wasn't like a university, it was like. A specific type of artistic college and it was a copywriting course and the teacher came in and spent an hour and a half talking about A. White fragility training that he had been to and others the class they're all paying for. This. because. This is his job they teach them this. Your job is to go out there and being missionary far message, and this guy he uses his platform is access to these students minds not to teach them what they're paying in to teach them, but to promote the white fragility. Parking Socialis is it is it white privilege? It's a book written by White Person. She makes a Shitload to by doing these corporate trainings going around telling people that everything they do is wrong in the racist and telling them what they can do to you know to. Apologize For their sin racist and rapists don't forget that. What they're teaching sex ED? that. Basically all sex is rape. I. Think a lot of professors. I have a friend who he works for university. He says, he's not a professor, but it's like his whole department. They have to read that white fragility before they can go back. I never heard of this. Is it a? Background. I, saw they're doing it and universities is really crazy I don't know what does it mean? It's white people are fragile is written by white person that we can't I. Don't know. I. Don't really know I've never the boat. Remember the starbucks guy. WHO Wasn't allowed to use the bathroom. And it was like a national loitering I mean who wasn't allowed to use the bathroom? Around swearing at people and threatening people before that. Yeah. That was the level of fragility that was implausible and it was I. Mean. That's what I was saying like if you're. Subject, you can't have it both ways if you're subject to nothing by abuse. And that is a terrible thing. But also the fragility I assume is a function privilege, right? It's probably argument. Yeah. Yeah. Is that the basic premise? Yeah. It's similar to what we heard in that trading. Yeah. I think it's like we're not allowed to like. I guess our fragility is that we want to feel guilty and we try to. Make housing something. She was talking about this morning and she was talking about her story and she said that she grew up. Thinking, that racist people are. A type of person type of terrible person. She didn't view herself as a racist person. So. She thought she was a good person. So therefore, she's not racist, but then she realized that everybody who's white is racist inherently. And from there, that's where law goes and you have to understand to recognize to bring your internal racism to manifest it and. then. Show other people what's racist and help them manifest. There's and then get on a path for anti-racist that could circle back around. It reminds me of a book written. Remember that first book ever sent me. It was the crowds book. On. What was his name Bond Lebron Sullivan? So. He wrote another book. It was about propaganda and it was really over the top. This is from one hundred years ago, and one of the things. The other book was all about race. The most important. It was pure propaganda. I don't know what the point was, but it was all about race race race race race ethnicity national, and this was before World War. I think it was just setting the world up for this big conflict. But that was his basic premise that race race. So important that you couldn't really escape it. So is this exclusively a white thing because if it's not, then you are circling back around to a very racist view of the world. which I don't subscribe to. So. That just reminded me and maybe it'll be somewhat helpful to kind of time and all that. But so have you ever listened to Jesse now, but thaddeus Russell. Oh I saw him in the monopoly on violence. He was. Young, he's easy in that. So he he's like literally the child of Communists like they were communist organizers back in the day and. So, he comes from the left and I don't know He. Civilly will not put himself in a category as ever considering himself Libertarians and he makes fun of him it in some ways. But like he's really good on a lot of issues and he's like my favorite person to disagree with but So he's historian and he's got this book called the renegade history of the United States, and so he's just like a very interesting, very thoughtful person. But so something that I learned from him. was that maybe you guys know this, but anybody listening doesn't go listen to him too. But I'm so he was talking about how like basically the term white or call Kokoschka Caucasian was invented around the time of world, war two in order to categorize us all in one way so that they could play up the race thing even more. So I I, can't remember exactly. I'm totally butchering bought like Caucasians. Is. New, it's not something that's actually like. Uniform can't really describe all of us. Yeah. I'm always confused by it because it's not a real. I I. Look like my Syrian Grandma. Puzzled as to what? A. And I mean. Irish of an Irish, I really don't understand, and then I think well. individualists. So I can't have one, I can't I can't. That's why can't buy that stuff about telling me what I collect. It just doesn't feel right to me I'm just this person and my morality is rooted in it. I, don't know Har- talking to about this the other day but. I was raised. I. Think it was you basically because I'm mostly everything I talk about him talking about with you. When I said that my dad taught me to always think of other people as there. But for the grace of God go I, that's why you need universal rights. That's why you need to be treated. Equally, that's why you also want to make sure there's opportunity and liberty and all that stuff, and so for me, it's always absolutely individualistic to the icy out of my own eyeballs and I'm the only one who does that so. The vast chance is that that everybody else is looking at other eyeball. So let's just treat everybody equally because what the? I mean, you are this person now and yes, you're you can't be born someone else. But look at how fast the world is changing and how when. I was just listening today watching BBC video on reeducation camps for readers in China. I mean it's all I'm sure it's all propaganda, but this was the footage was there. It's hard to deny there's real facts there. And I thought and they put them there because they don't think right. Somebody had what's APP on their phone. Somebody else was talked about religion in school. And I feel like we're not one step away. But if you have one big step like the corona times, we're we who knew we were one step one steadily this. Right. Exactly. Who knows where we're landing where we don't have our back on the ground you and that's why I'm an individualist and I will not. Get swept up into the collectivist idea or the group idea or the crowd idea because the I don't know where where they're gonNA, what group GonNa end up in and I just want everybody to be treated equally. So I think that's very dangerous stuff for everybody they use it, they get away with it because they've got that The protests and the riots and stuff have the and all the things that preceded that have that atmosphere, but and I, and I won't even say. That it's organic because clearly they need it to to exist just like poverty and I would say going forward illness. As, a political tool they need it, your exam is not going to go away is because they need until people recognize that it's a con that black lives matter or the organization as factual statement that an organization that's a Marxist organization took and took it on its brand, and all it does is promote division. It doesn't look for solutions and the funders are white, and as Matty said, the all the people she knows who are engaged in, it are white. So yeah. Maybe the founders, the faces, maybe the initial. The first wave was a lot of people George. Ford were of all all races and backgrounds and stuff, but. Maybe if you looked at the composition of the movement, it may not even represent, it might not even be majority of color. and. What it does. It represent this I. Don't know. I mean, I, think it's. It's very bold to be able to say that you represent people who may totally described are WSB show, you can imagine. The African American. ATLANTANS. Who fell in and call it out absolutely, and I, feel like that's what's missing or if it's it, it might be out there, but it's obviously not getting amplified at all. But so that reminds me, I wrote another note If you guys have been talking about the way that they've been adding masks, two statues or murals like them. Okay. Like as a figurehead in particular. But how about that woman is a black woman she's going around and they're calling the vandal. But so her vandalisation is she's pouring paint all over these. Murals and she's like, let's get the hell over at like. and. It's crazy I'll I'll. I thought she was chairing the masks off that. She's lays. LANDLORDISM I duNNo. Probably somebody would consider that. But she's pouring paying on these at. Trump tower like sidewalk mural. Oh, really. Dumb. Is another couple. There was a white couple that did something similar can't remember where. But yeah, he got arrested and charged with a hate crime. That's why could be a land thing outside trump tower? I. Believe that was put up by the city. Was it not? Now, I'm pretty sure to Blasios was in support of that and I would it was on the street, they made room for it, and I would just ask people who think that that is speaking truth to power who's doing it. WHO's doing it? Why? After reading this book against the grain by James e Scott, which also saw the monopoly on violence I. It is so clear to me that this corporate governmental continuum is one hundred percent. Made to keep to domesticate human beings and use them as basically an entire slave population, I'm just wouldn't that civilization itself. Is. A. Scam. And that if the blasios painting that on sidewalk in front of trump's place, you can be sure it is not to liberate the individual now, any color now? To what you just said. Quote. Unquote. As they're putting forth to us is the scam. This isn't actually civilization. They basically have us at each other's throats right now for really no good reason other than he said, she said, Alvis Dumb Shit that doesn't apply to anybody's real life. But since what have we got cabin fever people are depressed. People are on all kinds of psychotropic drugs. Everybody's been taught since birth that if you're a certain color, there's all these truths about you and about the other person who's not your call what you can't to. Yeah. So it is not civilization and so everybody talks to anarchy capitalists and says that we're crazy where utopians and we live in this ideal picture picture-perfect world, and it's like you people do like you anybody who thinks any of this is normal or okay. You're the crazy people that live in this utopian. Fallacy. Limiting government is a utopian fantasy. It is. It doesn't have. You're literally watching the damn break in your ignoring all the crafts sear breaking it though. You don't get this kind of civil unrest unless people are hungry or uncomfortable and assets stimulated. What they do is is an upheaval completely changed. Everybody's way of life I did not know still don't know what to do with themselves on a day-to-day basis or complete uncertainty. People are afraid they're anxious and these conditions are the same conditions that prisoner of war camps create in their prisoners so that they can then brainwash them. Yeah. By plugging in. Your anxious. You don't know what to do. Here's what you do and foul she and all these other experts are the people everybody's looking to because they need answers. Yes, or the propaganda to provide the answer, you call, call the nurses, healthcare heroes and worship their fee, and they'll just fall in line and do whatever foul she says and telluride put their mask on get on facebook and Shane people for not wearing a mask in saying stupid stuff like if I were this thirteen hours, you can wear it for thirty minutes in Kroger. This is all that stuff that was straight out of event to a one that it said that you have to get the doctors and nurses to do that. You need to make sure they're all on the same page if they're not, you need to denounce them. Yeah. That's that's anatomy of the state like that's far Zanetti Anatomy, the state talking about like how you gotTa make sure the intelligentsia class like up says exactly what the government or the state wants them to say well. Another Rothbart book was saying in I. Think it was the history of money or something, and he was talking about how the Economics Association. was basically economists were told or convinced to embrace economic intervention because it gave them a job. So. It gave them a job and that, and this whole thing about the intelligentsia, I'll tell you. I don't. Yes hyper intelligence and hyper productivity are the are necessarily go together. I. Feel like hyperproductive, hyper successful people in the business world can't be like too crazy intellectual. They get lost in the weeds and I would say. I just that's what I think and I believe there is a level of ego that goes with that hyper intelligence which I think brought Barbara's tapping into where if they, they can't actually get as rich as they think they should be because they're so smart, and that's why they'll. They'll do whatever the bidding is. They'll be there professorships. They want that exultation. Yeah. Even though when the rubber hits the road, they're not at they can't actually. Make reality happened that way. But then they get on the high horse, they tell you what to do they like this hierarchical structure because it validates their superiority without them having to actually make anything happen, and that's when I started thinking about media, I think, Cam. And I had this conversation media politics and academia are the three places where that happens where people who don't actually move the dial. Get to rule the world based purely on ego basically, and then he told me, that's the Cathedral. Michael Malice thing prior to World War One before the United States was involved the British. They wanted to get us in on their side because they wanted to use our our finances are our military power and they sit a guy named Sir Gilbert Parker they sit guys all over the the world to the little cells all over the place. But Sir Gilbert Parker was in charge of propagandizing the United States of getting us to have war fervor to that. Germany is the enemy world. War One. Now, we're we're too and. His strategy was he was an author. He was a famous writer and a Lotta people looked up to him. Sent him because they knew that Americans that the Entel Entel, how do you say that? INTELLIGENCIA. Thank you. Intelligencia they. He knew that that group of people would just fawn over him because they looked up to him. They enjoyed his writings. They all wanted to have a duke or Lord in their house. So they they sent Sir Gilbert, Parker, very proper, and he went over there and he he went to parties and he went around with celebrities with. Educate educators. I think even probably politicians. I, believe he talked talked with as well, and he would just put these ideas in their mind just program them, and then he would write back to Lord Northcliffe, who was who headed up the world one propaganda bureau in the UK, and he would write about how gullible all these intelligent Americans are, the guys who think they're so smarter buying everything. He's just mocking them and then he's going back then and they they ate it all up. That's why they got Wilson and that's what I think is behind Obama, is that they they you need or Jimmy? Carter? was another example. They need the Big Egos so that they don't think they can be totally duped and they don't offer it. They're much easier to fool. So an EGO bigger. than. Your actual savvy is the sweet spot for the face job yeah yeah. Yeah. What's his name? You'll propaganda formation of men's attitudes. He talks about that very group people. Shock Elo. Yeah. That the ones that. Are Very intelligent that believe they cannot be propagandize are the easiest group. That's true I. Find It. The be like people that I like, I. Look at my my facebook friends and I, know people who are really highly intelligent. They are very much like put your mask on. Don't be an idiot, just listened for fallacy. Like look. Dr Martin Luther. King's to wear a mask. It's on the side of the building. Yeah, I have insight into that I noticed. When I started doing the radio show whatever nine years ago, I guess, and my mind really doing a lot of research and the more I dug in the more I realize what was really going on and I was so surprised at how many people. Agreed with me would call facebook whatever. and. Then I went back to my old investment banking friends and I tried to explain it to them and to a man, they would make fun of me first of all, but one of them in honesty said that. I worked hard. I'm smart. It's working the world makes sense. So, there's that element of it. So he feels a sense of justice because he did. He was told he got what he was told he would get and I get that completely. But then at a certain point, there's also the point where you are so invested in it, you absolutely cannot consider alternative explanation or that you were morally wrong, and then I, think you have to start as Brinkley's tagline says, embraced the cognitive dissonance. Because you have to embrace it because it's the only way you're going to have to live with it i. find that people get a little bit crazy when they live a life that they they have to realize overtime was not quite right like extreme. Liberals, I mean I hate to call names like that. But once they get out, they realized that people do act according to rationality and incentives. The whole. Their whole worldview has to start getting a little shaky and then they I think you can find some of them. Get a little Kooky. They get a little weird or bitter or something. I, feel like there is a cognizant that there is like a long term psychological damage to cognitive dissonance. But shirt at a certain point, you can see cognitive dissonance to when it happens to be. Jordan Peterson. Chick. Whatever happened to him? I just heard the latest. He was really sick like it's amazing. He's alive last I. Guess Long Story Short is that you know he was doing his big world tour on his book and. His wife was really on tour within the whole time and I guess they might have known she was sick before, but didn't realize you know just the severity of it. But all of a sudden like they got news that she was. Terminal and did not have long to live and it was serious and I guess he had already like you know been under obviously stress for being in the public eye, really the first time ever and you know having to deal with An onslaught of hate because you know he happened to make too much sense I think and. So? I guess he had already maybe been. I. Am again, he just put this out there like his daughter has a podcast. Now I've got mixed feelings about her but I, do love him. But so they had a podcast together where they kind of talked about what happened to, but it was like maybe two years of trying to figure out how to detox in from that drug. They put him on Jesse ZANEX. Now, it's something with the be. Benzodiazepine? Axe that the. Zanex what. It is. It's a is in the family of Benzodiazepines yeah yacht it. Also as bad stuff. Yeah, and I, guess he was. On it and it like. Toxic by might have had something to do with what his own sort of immuno deficiency is already and. I don't know, but basically, it was a he I think he was even saying that you know if you're Diane anybody out there listening like if you were diagnosed or if you're prescribed that like. It needs to be something that's short term and cannot be something. That's long term because if it is long-term term, you are hooked and then it's going to really like talk Safai you, and so I guess basically he was on it probably too long. He probably shouldn't have been on it to begin with maybe and. So. They tried to like an, he was undergoing some all whole withdrawal symptoms trying to get off at himself, and so they like basically found him a treatment center in Moscow or something like he's been, they've been in Moscow, and like they were in Belgrade, I heard it was such a crazy story, and now you know they tried finding people here in North America. They went for all kinds of second third fourth opinions and so basically where they had to go. Russia and I think what they were saying is that he they had put him out basically I think put him in a medical coma so that he could talk detox him without him, feeling the unbearable withdrawal symptoms and so. You know he's like, okay. Now you know they, I, brought 'em to family in Florida and he's like still not great. By all means like well, but you know he's okay. He can write like he can for while he could do nothing and then for a while he could only edit and then now he can actually like. Think and do things again, but he was totally out of it and. I. Think it sounds like there was positive news on his wife's front and you know. So whatever a page you still alive, he's still alive. Yeah. and. So I think like there might have been like a really like drastic surgery that was done that might have been successful but it. They. All things were looking not good before that and so. I know. So I was just such a I. Mean, he was such an important person and this is a critical turning point I-. Tantamount to a world war and I just was wondering where his voice was, but he was kind of out of it for so out of the picture for so long that didn't seem at all correlates hem. Just I don't WanNa talk about this I heard some of those. But you heard him talking to his daughter. So you must have had a sense of authenticity of his and I mean like I think I. Know you've talked about him before. Have questioned whether he is a genuine actor or not. I do think he's like. In Person I've seen him speak twice I went and saw him and like I. Can probably cringe when he hears me talk about. Listen, to different avenues at twelve. For like whenever I feel like I. I I listen to all the time and like pick a chapter like if I'm feeling like I'm a shitty miserable person, pick a chat. Wow, lesson to and it's just like, let me go. You know lets me relax. Lets me go focus on getting things done and I, am able to just kind of like take certain weight off my shoulders and you think it's good for anxiety I. think it's good diety. Again, it's what helped get me through. That's great. Give me your sobriety like. Yeah, I'm very moved by. The your opinion. You know, I I WANNA know if people think he's legit because. Boy The stuff he was saying. It was a little to. Articulate and rational whether or not you believe. In what you agree with him, he was presenting a different side of the arguments and generally speaking the arguments he was countering the arguments themselves fall down on their own faces. He was bringing a counter argument that was even necessary to slay. They don't have to agree with his counter argument, but he was so effective i. now that really it seemed like, how could he even be out there in the world like David Crowing now? He I know. But but then look what happens. You know might just have one more things. We really like humbles you I a I. think it humbled the Shit Outta him that Wasn't that I don't think he was a very humble person before all this, but I think I mean like. I can't even imagine going through that. Well If. If he can come back, man, he will. Even. More to offer. Marxism is right up his alley to. About Marxism, communist identity politics, and when he's talking to other people being interviewed or debating with people, what he does better than anybody else is he listens. Really Listens, and you can see him let you can tell you can tell when people are listening and when they're not and he's processing and he's taking the information and and he's not automatic responding. You can see the click, and then you can see the responds very good active listener and most people. Especially in the media adult, they don't listen to. They're just waiting for the other person that finish. So they can say they're talking, yeah, which they've been given to them and didn't think about or it didn't originate in their mind all. Yeah I saw him at the Tabernacle in Atlanta and it was He was. It was really good. He's a smart guy, and he yeah, I I like listening to. That listening thing is not an earmark of your lifetime actor, your agenda pusher, your created person. Yeah. Because the more they listen the Tha if they actually take the time to listen and take the time to hear the other person talk, they re run the risk of the audience figuring it out as well. So I find that the people were really pushing the agenda are very fast step on you to blurt out the what they have to say to kind of take whatever question you have and MISC-. Shoehorn it into a prepackaged answer as best they can. Now I think there is a more sophisticated. A more sophisticated layer of propaganda. There are people who are real who can either get into the box and I think of Dave Chapelle and Anthony Bourdain or the jury's out on Kanye you're either in your box or you're not in your box and. At what point did they tell him get in your box? Do they talk Safai purpose? It doesn't wandering. Head to reo I, don't trust whoever was his doctor? Who prescribed him that I? Yes. I think some doctors I wo- I wonder about Joan rivers. That was her own doctor who very, very casually. Did something. For, right after she added Michelle Obama. that. She's as she fried bigger fish than that I. think she knew the truth of trump. Just? He's smart with Jordan. Peterson. We were talking about that act training. Earlier, they do the exact opposite of what he does. They teach people not to listen in fact they extensively. If you get an argument that you have never heard or people tell you specifics about an argument, don't worry about it. Don't listen to it. This is what you say verbatim than they put up a little chart and give them a script to say. Yeah I mean like. So it's so funny like to just juxtaposed him with them. It's. One of his rules in twelve roles is like listen to people as if like they might teach you something or like you, they know something you don't now and. Like, be open to the other side and trying to. Battle with those ideas and actually like stretching your mind a tiny bit and seeing how that person's information might add to what you already know or maybe even change what you now. But the whole note here's what you're GonNa, say to them when they give you an argument that might sound actually reasonable and. Might. Have some facts with it doesn't matter. Here's your answer. Tell them that You know you know people on the front lines and there's no way that they lie or like what? They were telling people not to say, it's just. They don't want to get infected by the other argument, if it's a good argument and there's no counter to it, they'll go to the other side you're saying, so they have to go ahead and give them a vaccination so to speak especially. People who are impressionable like that. So, they are actually targeting that I. I'll just Huxley thing you sent me. It's twenty percent is hopeless, and twenty percent is hopeless. One is you're you're just true believer and the other is resistant to hypnosis or whatever. They call it that sixty percent that is open to propaganda, and that's what you're dealing with and they can be persuaded. One more thing that It's something that Peterson like mansions all the time, but I'm pretty sure he got it from Carl Union. But the whole people don't have ideas. Ideas have people. And it's like. Yeah they do they really do to. Nine. Am how I need. You have to give me another sentence on that. You mean I don't know like. Think about. These people. The people that are like NBC's or the ones that are just like pulling up this. Nonsense, sixty percent I. Guess a sixty percent that's impressionable like. So. You know they. It's not them. Who has the idea like the idea control of that for them? Yeah, exactly. There within its grasp, it's not within their I think in those. Two people who are younger maybe end or. Don't have very good grasp. There's I mean there's a lot of people don't know themselves very well, they don't know how to be alone. Yeah, I mean I. I'm thinking of like an ex-boyfriend. He literally could not be alone. He always had to fill his time up with work appointments, friends me whatever, yes. This is very interesting I. Never Really Thought of it in those terms before and as long as. I can't relate to it. I. Am I right in thinking that I am not a person who idea has. Yeah, jv. As. Do All do ideas have all people I mean? You can be a person with ideas. I think then there are people who? The idea has the person I. can absolutely see that and you're right and I do believe it's young people. It's people who have not been taught critical thinking people who have a lot of kind of unfocused emotion and they're looking for places like that, and those are subset probably of that sixty percent and they're exactly who are most vulnerable to this, which is why it doesn't really have to do with that. That's what you said. A lot of your white friends are all the protesters you know are the white rich kids? It's they want. They want to be a part of that idea, and it's not something that emerged organically from their experience. It's not a voice give into something that they've been struggling to liberate from themselves. Very interesting. I think they get a lot of the young people to what they promote pleasure activism. called. There's a term pleasure activists. Where it's just what you think along some other things. They talk about the thrill of it, the excitement, the sexuality of it. Spreads like throwing candy to people. I told you about the friend friend of a friend or whatever who went to A. Pussy, hat march. And she. was trying. It's so funny when the Liberals who are. Friends with think, I understand what they're saying. So she's like, no, I just told my husband. I needed to do this for me. You know and I was like I don't get that at all and she and so then ever ever since then I thought to myself. Why? How is that made? It seem very self indulgent. It is very self indulgent, and now thanks to this conversation I. Think I have a better understanding. Of. Because, I can't relate to it. The Pussy hat march if you're ever unsure if people are mind controlled. The pictures and the videos of the hat march and look at the. With their children who are dressed in giant costumes of Jonah sometimes with teeth walking around holding a child that's child abuse. I was curious about the origin of some of those costumes and I was wondering if if they made them like as a result of this this movement or if there was like a mom and pop shop that just happened to make these giant costumes of Vaginas and they just happened to hit it big because this movement happened, and that's that's what it was. There was an old couple that made these costumes and didn't sell many, and then suddenly the women's March happened in Bingo, they hit it big. Until then there was no market for Vagina costumes. With. How The market has been to them but. It's Stupid Costume. In fifteen years a kid going. That's me. That's my mom, the giant Vagina. Dad. Dad. China. Costumes. The Dad were the t shirts with the BRA and panties on it. Like, sorry. Somebody castrated view by. I mean I would feel sorry for a male feminist, but I don't know. There's. Didn't Dave David. Explained through at a simple as. A serious yet in car from bag cast had to explain what Simpson was to. No, to us before that. So I don't know. Yeah. It's definitely a male thing. Lisa, symphonies ascend is when a guy completely kisses a chicks ask. Foes feminism to get lay. Online White Knight ING Yeah basically like the one guy who's like consistently like commenting on a girls post or something like who are you like? Yeah, we call those numbers. Could. Check like, let's So on that note, we re probably over Monica time. I know you mentioned earlier that you're supposed to be done by now. So totally fine. It's been a pleasure plus you blew my mind. I, love. We couldn't have cut any Schnur because then I. That Comes out the vitamin. All comes together and mean drinking. I know I know. I. Always, have at least three degrees beverages more while. All. Right. So as we wrap it up, I know I introduced our listeners to where they could sorta find you in the beginning. But you know you guys spat your stuff. On you. So the kind of overarching thing is the propaganda report, which you can find in any podcast feed that you use and our latest episode of the propaganda. report. Proper one, eighty seven is absolutely a must listen to. That's for sure, and then we also do a daily show, the drive time news blast, which is thirty minutes every weekday of news of the day from a perspective of truth, liberty and justice. So. So that's pretty I. I. think There's a real need for that. That's why did it because they used to look for it and couldn't find it. So you can also find that the propaganda report feed on any podcast and platform, and we have a website, the proper port dot com, and our patron where you can get a lot of extra stuff is patron dot com slash propaganda report. But why don't you tell? People who listen to our show, what your show is, so we can get a little crossover acts. Jesse. Okay. So we are. 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#EERS S9 Ep158: Rage Against

The Erick Erickson Show

2:00:57 hr | Last month

#EERS S9 Ep158: Rage Against

"Hello and welcome. It is direction here the Eric Erickson show the full number. If you would like to be a part of the program eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric, eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five, I I almost don't even know where to begin today there. There's so much. With the Woodward Story and everything else but and we've got to start there. But how do you navigate your way through? It I want begin. Well, let me begin with the question of what could the president of done differently and please bear with me here. As. I get through this because because I do think it is relevant. And I do think in fact that we should acknowledge there are things the president has done differently a lot of the president's supporters say, well, no one could have done or would have done anything differently than the president. So it doesn't really matter I think based on the audio from the Woodward tapes. It's worth acknowledging that the president actually did no way sooner than most people that the virus actually was going to be a bigger problem than what some people thought. It is worth noting however that so much of the media and and the left didn't believe the president that should the president. have done the things they wanted him to do that really they they probably would not have have acknowledged it in in any any respect. My tongue in my brainer are lagging today. Let let me read you some headlines. These, these are media headlines these media headlines Run from January, Indian the middle of February. Who who's a fan of comfortably smug put them together. We should deescalate the war on the coronavirus fear finger-pointing and militaristic action against the virus or. Better off adjusting to a new normal a periodic outbreaks as the virus spreads fear is fueling racism and xenophobia that's from CNN from the Observer Corona virus fears fuel fears, fuel racism and hostility say British Chinese from the Washington. Post get a grip America. The flu is a much bigger threat than corona virus for now from the Atlantic, you're likely to get the virus from K. V. A. LTV. Health official, you're more likely to catch flew in Oregon than deadly Wuhan Girl of virus racist they called it grow Lavar remember that once the president travel from China suddenly became racist to call it the Wuhan girl the virus from USA Today Corona viruses scary. But the flu is deadlier more widespread from news channel twenty experts warn flu is greater risk than Curl virus from K. Q. E. D. The fluids still a bigger health read in the US the novel coronavirus from the hill. Why are we panicked about the coronavirus in calm about the flu? From. Slopes Corona virus has spread quickly but it's nowhere near as widespread as previous epidemics like swine flu or the Spanish flu. From Time magazine way want to protect yourself from corona virus do the same things you do every winter. From ABC fifteen of flu hitting on more than usual this season despite attention on corona virus from the Associated Press is the new virus more deadly than the flu not exactly. From Health magazine is the coronavirus worse than the flu. Here's how the two diseases compare. It depends on what you mean by worse from something called HCP, live the the fear of the coronavirus and the reality of the flu from ABC seven in New York. Mid Coronavirus outbreak doctors remind public fluids deadlier from Fox seventeen in West Michigan doctor suggests worrying about the common flu not the. Coronavirus from Reuters, NEW CORONA VIRUS SPREADS mortal more like flu than SARS, according to the Chinese for axios why we panic about coronavirus, but not the flu from the York daily record grow virus's deadly but the flus claimed over eight thousand lives. This season from the national interest forget about the coronavirus, the flu pandemic of nineteen eighteen killed more people in one year that all world. War One. From ABC Central New, Corolla viruses likely to go pandemic but that's not a reason to panic or of react. FROM PATCH DOT COM, Maryland flu deaths climb flew more worrisome than curl virus from Kale Aa News five southern Colorado panic over coronavirus could be caused by flu numbers from science alert. The flu is way bigger threat to most people in the. US from the National Post New Corona virus may be more no more dangerous than the flu despite worldwide alarm. Colin experts. From CCN relaxed Corona viruses less dangerous than the flu epidemic experts from the daily beast the virus killing US kids isn't the one dominating the headlines. All of these were. Written. At the end of January or the beginning of. February. That is what the American media was saying. The president of the United States is often attacked from getting his information from the American media. The American media was telling him those things. We need to give proper context to this. In the in the hate on trump stuff. But this is also a fact the president spoke to Bob. Woodward on February seventh. Two Thousand Twenty Two. Days after the impeachment trial ended. And at that time the president knew that this was actually worse than the flu. Five Times more deadly than the flu. The President had spoken to the Chinese premier. The president's national security team had told him. In the middle of January based on their intelligence, this would be the biggest national security threat of his administration. The president told Bob Woodward in his own words that he knew that the disease was transmitted through the air. There are things the president could have done differently and I think we need to be honest about that that there are things the president could have done differently in hindsight does matter here to a degree we can look back in hindsight and say, yes, the president should have done things differently. But. What we also have our the president's words at that time recorded by Bob Woodward. The president could have privately brief governors with the information about the virus being airborne being actually way more contagious than the flu contrary to the press reports because by February seventh while all those headlines were the newspapers that the flu was actually worse and more contagious, the president knew differently. The president have been more assertive against his own side saying that the flu is worse or this was no worse than the flu. The. President could have avoided sending mixed messages about masks. Once he knew it was airborne. The president could have stopped being so dismissive of the virus and claiming, it would just go away a claim he still makes today. Doing that gave people a lot of false. Hope win the president in his own words recorded by Bob Woodward knew it wouldn't go away. He could have asserted himself as a leader with better guidelines and guidance for states to control the shutdowns and the reopenings he could have provided information to the states. You know in early February Sanjay Gupta unseen in who had been critical of for some of his statements made in his his unwillingness to recognize the president has to balance the economy. In Public Health Sanjay Gupta was on CNN in early in early February, raising all sorts of red flags about the coronavirus. In saying the president and his team needed to be more engaged, get more information to the public It'd be more honest more forthright about how contagious it actually was Scott gottlieb formerly of the FDA was also out there and by the individual who was saying that there was a troubling trend of the president's supporters denying there was a problem with the virus denying some of the scenarios that were out there denying the virus was worse than the flu. But you know New York public health officials were doing the same thing. Wasn't just the president's team out there. It was New York public health officials and Nancy Pelosi as well. And I don't think we should be dismissive of that fact either that it wasn't just the president and his team, it was also host of Democrats who work getting their information from Donald Trump. In fact, they were getting their information from other organizations. Why? Because they didn't believe the president of the United States The risk to New Yorkers for corona virus is low in our city preparedness is high to should not stop you from going about your life should not stop you going to Chinatown and going out to eat I'm going to do that today myself come to Chinatown here we are. Again careful safe and. Come join us there is no concern at this time for Corona virus in our. City communist sanitation is ready for Mati Cross twenty twenty. The facts are reassuring we want New Yorkers to go about their daily lives. There's really no need to panic and to avoid activities that we always do as New Yorkers. We are hardy people Americans do not need to panic. What I would suggest however is that Americans take this as a wakeup call for seasonal flu. There's very little threat here. This disease even if it were to get basically acts like a common cold or Flu. So we're telling New Yorkers go about your lives, take the subway, go out, enjoy life and certainly not to miss the parade next. Sunday on. If you had to close down the borders. We need to be honest about the American people with the American people about the fact that we can't keep people coming here from China and transmission is not that easy. I think there's been a misperception that corona virus hangs the air waiting to catch. You know it takes direct person to person contact. We also know that if it were likely to be transmitted casually we would be seeing a lot. Right. Because this is New York and you're in elevators. With everybody all the time. This public health officials it. They weren't getting their information just from the president and his team. and. If you think that you're delusional and yeah that was them at the same time the president was telling people no big deal. Remember to plaza was still debating whether or not shutdown New York. In anticipation of. Saint Patrick's Day in Louisiana. The Democratic officials decided they were going to have Mardi Gras. None of that is the president's fault. You'll the the real bottom line here is that we were dealing with a a global pandemic. Where the Chinese in the world, Health Organization were lying. Global pandemic. The Chinese are lying the World Health Organization is lying. The president is in the middle of an impeachment trial. The president does take action to shut down travel with China. The Democrats accused him of racism and claiming he's trying to distract from impeachment I generally don't think the president could have made an impact with Democrats at the time if he had come out and raised the alarm on the virus being bad I, I I actually do believe that Democrats would have said that this was all a distraction for impeachment. But. The president still should have led. We know that by February seventh, he actually knew that it was more contagious than the flu more deadly and travelled through the air the that's his words Bob Woodward. That's February seventh. The president absolutely could have done things differently would it have mattered? I don't know that it would've. But he certainly could have done things differently. But I also think that. The situation is way more complicated than people want to believe because we're in tribal politics. The situation was complicated by lack of information and false information from China. The World Health Organization you had America's own experts arguing with each other I mean even at the into February had Dr Fauci on TV say you don't need to wear masks the surgeon general's saying the same thing and by the way I think it's worth pointing out that the president said to Woodward the reason he was downplaying it as he didn't want to spark panic. The president did not spark a panic because he downplayed it but we were still out of bread we were still out of meat we were still on a toilet paper we were still out of paper products. We were taught a milk we were still have eggs we were still have all sorts of stuff at grocery stores without the panic the president did want to provoke. Could have done stuff differently. Absolutely. Did he know more than he let on? Absolutely. Every president news more than they let on is actually I think a little bit mendacious to say that the president knew all the stuff you should have told us everything you don't want the present Tony Everything Barack Obama kept secret from the public to and and no one was upset about him doing that remember Barack Obama's the one who said we could absorb a second nine eleven. Told bubbled were then. Here's ears my point and I want to spend some time with this and I'm happy to take your phone calls on this as well. But here's my bottom line point here is. If you hate the president you insist he screwed up completely, and if you love the president, there's no room for recognizing. He could have done things differently, and in fact, did we now know have the information where he could have done something differently But a whole lot of political officials. Are In the same category including Andrew Cuomo. And all the people who want to blame the president for everything they don't WanNa blame Andrew, Cuomo. All, the people who think the president should have done differently some of the things they wanna do or masks and shutdowns, and even Joe Biden says that's unconstitutional. President can't do it. There are absolutely things he could have done differently. He could have been more forthright. But we're also dealing with a global pandemic. We're nine months into it right now we only have eight months worth of American knowledge about the virus. We know the initial knowledge and information from China was tainted if not outright lies the World Health Organization collaborated with China to help cover it up. I'm just not willing to crucify any politician. Forgetting stuff wrong. In the first few months of this pandemic absolutely. You can always have done more in hindsight. But we're also dealing with the virus. The president is not responsible wrecking the economy, the viruses. and. To the extent, people don't want to acknowledge that it's the level of broken and tribalism. We have right now in the public the the perceptions of the President we know he knew more. In based on that in his own words, there are things he could have and should have done differently. But a whole lot of people in the campus. Well. And I'm just I'm not willing to throw the president under the bus or any other politician under the bus. For what they did in February. When so much of what we know now is actually contrary to the medical advice we were being given by the experts in February. And I think that matters in context as well as everything else. But context nuance or something you're not supposed to do anymore. I I think it's really important to note here that the the two biggest claims by Democrats of what the president should have done in. February are he should have shut the nation down. And he should have imposed national masks mandate. Generally when people are asked, what should the president of done differently I in February than what he did and by the way I'm I am on record saying there are things he could have done. What the president is said to have should have done. Is Shut down everything. And, impose a mask mandate nationwide. Those are the two big things he should shut down the nation earlier in, he should have imposed a mass mandate. Even, Joe Biden. Says publicly. Those are unconstitutional. The president yet shutdown commerce in the states, he doesn't have that. Constitutional Authority. You don't have to believe me believe Joe Biden the president doesn't have the power to impose a masks mandate nationwide. Don't believe me believe Joe Biden in. Those are constantly the to refrains of what the president should have done differently. There are things you should have done differently behind the scenes I. Think in terms of his messaging in standing on stage and giving some clear concise instruction and indirection is to the extent of the virus, what they were privately expecting the like and I think he could have done it without insulting panic but this is something I also think that a lot of people who criticize the President missed the president did not want sparked panic and the president himself knows that he's very good at painting and bold colors not very good at shading in and it would have been very hard for the president to nuance. I mean with the president things are either really really good or really really awful. They're there isn't a lot of between and it's to his credit. He self aware enough to realize that and and so he didn't WanNa go out there. And try to make the case not to panic The word choices he just can't help himself and he knows it. And by the way, this isn't to excuse the President I know if you hate the president, that's what you're hearing. Just a reality. And so many people don't want to acknowledge the reality. The reality is that there's so much about the virus we didn't know at the time. We now know from the president's own words he did no more than was publicly being stated we also know that the president's entire intent was to not spark panic and we also know that without that panic. There were still food shortages and paper shortages and all sorts of other problems a devastated economy would have been more devastated, but the bottom line is that so many of the demands that the president should have done other things those demands are things the president couldn't have done. We are fifty semi sovereign nations. That seated limited power to Washington DC. To do things in the national interest for the common good typically in dealing with other countries and dealings between the states to keep a fair and level playing field. But the states themselves have copious amounts of power that the president doesn't have the police power resides with the governors of the several states. The healthcare power is part of the police power that resides with the governors of the several states it was on the governor's to act in. It's worth pointing out that well, Rhonda Santa's was protecting nursing homes in. Florida. Andrew. Coma, was sending senior citizens back to nursing homes to infect other people in die. Now I realize everybody wants to blame the president. But if there's blame to go around, you cannot exclude some of these democratic governors. You know the states or hit by the coronavirus per capita New Jersey New York Massachusetts Connecticut Louisiana Rhode Island, and the District of Columbia all of which the exception of this Columbia are governors hello there it is. Eric. Erikson. The full number here is eight seven, seven of Eric Eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five I basically spinning the whole hour on this Woodward stuff. So nobody can say I didn't talk about it I if you were here in the first half hour. Yes I did say in the first half hour there are things the president could have done differently and better and I out lying them. So. Now, I want to talk about the other stuff that I actually think is more important. The president purportedly withheld bad used by the virus and and by the way. Presidents get bad news of things all the time and you are under no privilege or right to know that information. That information's there to help the president of the United States decisions it's not for you. And the president wanted to avoid sparking a panic and so he withheld the information from you and that is his right and if Barack Obama did it all you people who are upset with president would have been perfectly fine with it. But. The president did withhold. That information? Purportedly according to the Democrats and the media by withholding the information, the president cost American lives. But an American reporter had that information. Not only did Bob Woodward, have the information he got it on tape. He got it in the president's. In the president's own voice. recorded. And what did Bob Woodward do with that information. Absolutely nothing. Bob Woodward. Held onto the information as the body count rose the. Associated. Press asked Bob Woodward y and he said, well, he needed to really confirm the stuff and safe. It was really that bad. Coincidentally Bob, Woodward wasn't able to confirm at all until the week his book launched in September. We're almost at two hundred, thousand deaths in the United States of America in Bob Woodward withheld all of that knowledge and information as the conspiracy theories built as the data was challenged as everyone questioned everything as the trump supporters made all sorts of wild claims and the president in his own voice talking to Bob Woodward knew how bad the situation was and Bob Woodward did nothing Oh Mr Eriksson. It was for a book delivery promise to wizard. Forego so he released it for book he didn't have to wait until the week the book came out. He could have released a months ago. He had eighteen conversations with the president then wrapped up those conversations he could have released it after that. By then he knew it he's got it all recorded by then but no body Wilbert held onto it and you know what we're seeing today we're seeing members of the media defending Bob Woodward. Ladies and gentlemen. The American press corps actually pulls as less light and less trustworthy than the president of the United States. There is bipartisan contempt for the American. Press Corps. Democrats hate them, Progressives, eight THEM MODERATES EIGHT THEM CONSERVATIVES EIGHT THEM REPUBLICANS HATE THE PRESS The press is less popular than a attorney floating in a swimming pool. And this is exactly why. One, of their own. The Patron Saint of Investigative Journalism Bob Woodward. Held onto audio recordings of the president of the United States. Saying, he knew how bad the virus was and was willfully downplayed it to avoid sparking a panic. and Bob Woodward held onto that information. To make. Money. To cash in. To Sell Books. and the majority of the mainstream media from the Washington Post. To the Associated Press. They're giving Bob Woodward a pass on this. I saw the pictures of the bodies. Piled into refrigerator trucks in New York City. Because there wasn't enough space in the morgues. I. Saw the pictures. Bob Woodward. Could have released the tapes. You know you bring this up the partisan rashes well, this is just distracting from the president. No No. No. No I intentionally willfully started my program saying that the president could have done things differently should have done things differently could have been more forthright without sparking panic. There were ways he could've done it. I said all of that. But no there there's there are multiple angles to the story and everyone on the left all the Democrats and the media just one point their finger at Donald trump and say orange bad. Because they're completely broken on that point. But the bodies piled up. Am Bob Woodward. Kept quiet. Bob Woodward told the associated. Press. Let me read you this from the associated. Press. Bob Woodward facing widespread criticism for only now revealing President Donald Trump's early concerned about the severity of the virus told the associated. Press on Wednesday that he needed time. To be sure that trump's private comments from February were accurate. He tells me this that I'm thinking. Wow, that's interesting. But as a true trump says, things that don't check out right Woodward told the AP during a phone interview. Using famous phrase from the Watergate era when Woodward's reporting for the Post, help lead to Richard Nixon's resignation Woodward said, his mission was to determine what did he know and when did he know it? Coincidentally he found out the answer the weakest book came out. This is a uniquely Washington phenomenon. John Bolton Kept quiet. Until he left the president largely pushed him out and then wrote a tell all book. In the tell all book acknowledges or at least claims that the president turned a blind eye to concentration camps in China where the Chinese were engaged in genocide because the president wanted to trade deal did John Bolton decide to resign at the time and expose what was going on? Oh, hell. No, he stayed on. He wanted access to power until he couldn't get his way and then he left and wrote his tell all book and said, Hey, the president's covering genocide in China. We'll thanks John They I'm I'm sure the families of the dead people in China appreciate you not saying anything until you could cash on their deaths. Nearly. Two hundred, thousand Americans die. In Bob Woodward says nothing. So I had to verify whether win. Did you know it was true Bob? When did you know it was true in in in March. When there were tens of thousands of deaths in April when there were thirty thousand deaths in March, where there were fifty thousand and in May, when there were seventy thousand deaths in June when there were one hundred thousand destined July when there one hundred, fifty, thousand deaths in August with one, hundred, seventy, thousand. At what body did you realize? It was true Bob. You can cashed all the invective you want on Donald trump if you're a partisan and orange man bad in your mind. But. If you're choosing Bob Woodward, you really are just a partisan hack. Because, I'm willing to acknowledge the president. Could have done things differently. Can. You acknowledge that Bob Woodward held onto the information held onto the tapes and held onto the audio just to make money off the dead people. because. That's what this amounts to. Is he selling salacious allegations about the president some of it in the president's own voice. And he says, well, it was just he had to hang onto it. If you're not willing to hold Bob Woodward accountable. You're not really being honest. There's more here too. We do as I said earlier have fifty semi sovereign nations. Within these United States you know the the phrase, the United States of America only became common after the civil war prior to that it was referred to as these United States internally externally abroad nations would refer to us as the United States, but internally the United States. Typically, if you read a lot of the books prior to this war was these United States and it was states simmie sovereign nations who see limited power to Washington DC. The police power is a power of the states of the governor's. And you can't really blame Donald Trump for Andrew Cuomo's and competent and that honestly that's one of the most frustrating things here I am willing to acknowledge. There are things that could have been done differently in Washington. But a whole lot of the media. And the Democrats but I want to focus on the media from it the same media that is covering for Bob Woodward that same media also covers for Andrew Cuomo. And don't tell me. He was misled by the president of the United States because in March I believe it was march fifteenth. Rhonda Santa's the Governor Florida was issuing an order. Barring people from going into elder care facilities long term care facilities nursing homes. And Barring Cova positive patients from returning to nursing homes they had to go to separate segregated isolated facilities until they were fully recovered, and then they could go back once they had tested negative. On the exact same day that Ron to Santa's was doing that in Florida Andrew Cuomo was ordering Covert, positive elderly patients back into nursing homes where they spread the virus and got a bunch of people killed. Yet, the media of the United States has never wanted hold Andrew Cuomo responsible for that they've completely given him a pass. nightly. On CNN can see. Chris Cuomo verbally commit incest with Andrew Cuomo and everyone's perfectly fine with it and hardly anyone questions. Why is an anchor on CNN giving his brother favorable Hagi graphic interviews and not asking him the tough questions about why it was. He was sending senior citizens in the nursing homes to die at the same time. The governor of Florida was protecting those senior citizens and yet the majority of the American Media Paints Rhonda. Santa's a failure as governor who mishandled the coronavirus meanwhile Florida with more people than New York? Has Far fewer. Deaths. Per Capita. Florida's not even the top ten for deaths. You're the top ten states. Per capita for grow of our STEFFES. New Jersey at one hundred, eighty deaths. Per hundred thousand people. New York at one seventy, Massachusetts at one thirty, two Connecticut at one twenty, five Louisiana at one Tin Rhode Island at one hundred, the District of Columbia Eighty seven Mississippi at eighty seven Arizona seventy, two in Michigan at sixty. Eight. Gretchen Whitmer, of Whitmer of Michigan has been lionized by the press. And yet at number ten. Andrew Cuomo lionized by the press he's at number two. And if you really want to put a partisan spin on this, let's go through. The partisan. Spin. New Jersey Democrat new. York. Democrat message. Uses Democrat Connecticut Democrat Louisiana Democrat Rhode Island Democrat District of Columbia. Democrat Mississippi Republican. Arizona Republican Michigan Democrat why is it Doug Ducey is treated as a bad guy in Arizona with seventy two deaths per hundred thousand people. But the governor of Louisiana John Bel Edwards who said, let's go ahead and have Mardi gras with under ten deaths per one hundred thousand people is given a pass by the media because it's partisanship. It's the same reason that Bob Woodward has given a pass. Because it's partisanship. I wrote a piece this morning as I tend to do in the mornings about all of this. And I want to read you my bottom line from the space. We're eight months into dealing with a global pandemic caused by virus from China about which the Chinese and the World Health Organization sent mixed and misleading messages, and for which there is no cure. The president had limited capacity demanded the virus of the state level and had a responsibility to manage the economy is well, the bottom line is that the virus pandemic are way more complex than our partisan tribal tendencies want to allow and we should be buried in heaping blame anywhere given how the situation unfolded. Yes. The president could have done things better or differently but yes, we know a lot of that now in hindsight. The same goes for Andrew. CUOMO. The same goes for other nations. The same goes for the media. The same goes for Bob Woodward, who kept so much quiet. So he could cash in on the mountain of American corpses that piled up around him while he wrote his book. The only reason. The media's fixated on the president is because they hate him. Because he's Republican. You can see the double standards and how the media treated Brian Kemp. And Rhonda Santa's and Doug Ducey. Versus John Edwards. Democrat Louisiana Andrew Cuomo Democrat New York. The Democratic Governor of New Jersey's Massachusetts Connecticut. I don't think we can distract from that folks and yet. So many people want to I just accidentally hung up on a really important person. They called. And, I said Hello. And I needed to put my so i. I. Just I just hung up on A. On a real. Oh Gosh. No I know That just happened. Okay never mind. Maybe. He'll call back. Gosh. I I I'm I'm. I'm I I'm. We need to move on. Precaution. Okay you know is the the Woodward Book. Be Carl Bernstein worked with Bob Woodward of the Washington Post. In during the during the during the Watergate stuff. And, Bernstein is now famous every time a Republican becomes President Bernstein is is trotted out from his grave and a claims that whatever that Republican did worse than Watergate. It really actually is somewhat amusing nine eleven worse Watergate Y- going into Iraq the weapons of mass destruction or the Watergate George. W. Bush failing to flush the. Watergate A. Trump becomes president like every time. The Russia's get worse than Watergate this now. This is like the only thing it's like they've got a speech box in the corpse's mouth that is programmed to say, west the Watergate. that my friends that's while. Woodward Bernstein is you know it's kind of sad? You bring down the president of the United States wants. And your quest in life for the rest of your life is to keep trying to bring down president of the United States. And everything must then be worse than Watergate. What is really funny But Woodward book though. Now folders closure I've only read the Washington Post Coverage. I have not actually read the book. They didn't send me. I'm not going to give Bob Woodward money to reward him for covering up the deaths of two hundred thousand Americans so that he can make money The Washington Post is running experts. One of the most interesting things that is is totally being overshadowed. Totally overshadowed. Is All of the people who work for the president who hate his guts? The, let's see Let's see. You've got mattis going after him. You got various. Generals. Going after in. A on and on and on it goes. The number of people who go on record with Bob Woodward. WHO WORKED FOR THE PRESIDENT? WHO SAVAGE THE PRESIDENT? You've got James Mattis in there. and this this is let me just let let me. Let me put this on This is from the Houston Chronicle. Trump says he knew corona virus was deadly and worse than the flu while intentionally misleading Americans new book reports. Buried all the way in there is that James Mattis believes that he was completely. UNFIT. For. Office. Buried in there is that all these other people who worked for the president believe he was unfit for office buried in there was the revelation that the intelligence director at the time Dan Coats believed that vitamin Putin really had something on the president of the United States. It's so the the media so worked up, and by the way, this is this is the most the most innocuous part of it frankly is that the president in February had information about the virus he didn't mislead the public he chose to downplay the virus to avoid sparking a panic. Meanwhile you've got off and on and on it goes all of these people coming out. Who worked for the president in national security and intelligence badmouthing the president and all of that is buried you. You would think that you could lead with that stuff. What Madison, what the intelligence directors at all of those things but no, they choose to actually lead with with the virus. And the reality is that the president says over and over I listened to the the audio, you can go listen to the audio yourself. He just wanted to avoid sparking a panic. That's why he did what he did. You can disagree with it. You can just ruined the way did it but understand the motive for why he did it. He didn't WanNA freak people out. If Obama had done that you've given him a pass. Welcome Erick Erickson here the Eric Erickson show the phone number. Would it be part of the Program Eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric, eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. So, how's your day going I? Just hung up on on super important. Okay. Before I move on I'm going to tell you a story and y'all can all have a laugh at my expense Weeks ago I was sitting at my kitchen table. And have my bottle of Heinz Ketchup the only decent catch up in America. and. Tilted over you know you get those bottles sometimes of Heinz and air pressure builds up. Its lashes out catch up when you open it well. I tilted the bottle over realized I hadn't taken the lid off and I took the lid off it. Goes. Premature emission of catch up all over the place. Including on my phone where it got into the air piece. And I really did the thing of it. I wiped it out well, clearly catch has dried in your piece of my phone. And I got to use my ear buds. Now I've got Apple Airport Pros. The greatest device apple has ever invented. And so if someone calls typically I'll grab the phone and I'll say hello and let them start talking and then I'll grab my your air pods. I. Keep Right next to him and input the earpiece in so I can actually Hear the conversation. We'll. Somebody called during the last commercial break who I probably should have talked to and I was putting the airport in I, accidentally hung up on him. And it was famous person. So Anyway I. Hope Your Day's going better than mine has started. Let's move on I I. If you're just tuning in I have spent a whole lot of time in the first hour. Talking about the Woodward Book. I'm not inclined to revisit the Woodward except to make a couple of very brief points that I think need to be made. And they're worth repeating and for those of you who are here, the first hour just bear with me this won't take long. We're in the middle of global pandemic. We are eight months into knowledge nine months into June with the virus eight months into American knowledge of the virus. A lot of the public health advice we got from people early on in February is different from the advice we now have. It was February twenty fourth Dr Anthony Fauci and the surgeon general of the United States were on television telling people don't worry about wearing masks. There's no point. They have now revised that position and believe that you should wear masks. We originally believed in the models an estimates that there could be millions of people killed. And that the virus was ten times worse than the flu. It is it's worse than the flu. Very much worse than the flu. But it's not as deadly as contagious as we I thought. We originally thought. That the virus could be spread on surfaces we now know that there's not a single known case of transmission of the virus from a surface to a person. All of the cases of the virus that we are aware of have come through airborne transmission in inhaling of particular, which is why they want you to where you would wear a mask. We. We know now that way more people are asymptomatic than we first thought. We now know as of yesterday, the president knew this fact in January that there's a high rate of asymmetric spread. But there's a lot of stuff the president didn't know as well. There's a lot of stuff that has changed. And if you hate the president, you read the Bob Woodward Book and it affirms. Everything that you already thought about the president. If you like the President, the book affirms everything that you thought about an hated about the Washington elite. I. Don't know that this book is going to make anyone's mind. The media is already overplayed its hand on the book. For example, Bob Woodward asked the president. If if he was in some sort of a privilege cave, completely unaware of the experience black Americans in the president denied he was in a cave and said, he didn't need to be black to understand the black experience and the media's out savaging the president today for his tone deafness on race issues mischaracterizing his statements to Bob Woodward. It is very hard. To get an accurate and fair reading of anything about this administration from the American. Press. It is very hard. Win Stories are I run to get accurate coverage meaningful coverage or a fair depiction of events. The book. by Bob Woodward and the Media Coverage A sales the president of the United. States for misleading. Americans. The American media. Misled Americans. The media referred to the viruses the Wuhan virus. Until the president ban travel with China and Joe Biden declared that it was racist and xenophobic to do so and then the media declared use of the phrase Wuhan virus to be racist and xenophobic. The media said not the president. The media said, the flu was worse. Now, they're blasting the president for telling Bob Woodward. He knew the coronavirus was worse than the flu. Well the media's telling. It wasn't as bad as the flu. I also think you have to acknowledge in Democrats don't want to my you know I'm friends with Joe Scarborough. He's very mad at me for making this point. And I stand by this point. And I think it is reality. This is a point. That is going to make everyone who hates the president mad at me. But I stand by this point. I believe this I would not tell you anything I didn't believe true including this. If in late January and the very beginning of February the president took all of the aggressive action. That the Democrats and the media demand, he should've taken at the end of January beginning of February. They would've accused the president of sparking fear to distract from the impeachment. The beach retrial was not concluded until February Fifth By that time the president spoke to Bob Woodward on February seventh by that time, the president knew is worse than the flu knew about the spread in China knew about the situation in China blocked travel from China, and what do they do when the President Block travel from China in January they accused him of distracting from impeachment they accused him of braces and xenophobia. Had the president done more had been had he been more aggressive they would have attacked him for distracting from impeachment. And you can take issue with me and be mad at me about that and deep down. You know dern well, that's true. Because everything at the end of January beginning of February was seen through the lens of impeachment every single thing. When the president ordered the military to take out Qassim Salami. You had hysterics on MSNBC claiming the president was going to start world war three to distract from impeachment. When the president stopped travel with China. You had hysterics on MSNBC. Saying the president was engaged in in racist xenophobic against. To distract from impeachment. The World Health Organization came out. And criticize the president for that travel ban and the media trumpeted as proof that the president had gotten the policy wrong. Anthony FAUCI. said the President Save Lives and bonus US time? The media would prefer to pay attention to the World Health Organization. But it was the world health. Organization we now know in hindsight. was actually doing the dirty work of China and serving as a propaganda for China and wasn't telling the world truthful information and was dismissing Taiwan's raising the red flag about the virus at the time. Because the World Health, organization wanted to side with China against Tyron. You cannot honestly tell me. You, may you may be one of the few people who really does believe it but I think most of you privately would be willing to acknowledge it. If Donald Trump were no longer in office, you would finally recognize the fact that had he acted the way people demanded he acted you would have said at the time it was to distract from impeachment. That It's true. I mean everything the president did at the time. Was Considered a distraction from each man. So to Hanley to the virus also. There are a lot of people out there who say what the president really should have done given. The extent of it is he should've shut down done a shutdown earlier and he should have imposed a mask mandate Joe Biden himself has come out and said, those things are unconstitutional. You know it's so here's the thing and and this is this is one of the funny funny bits of all of this. Is I took the time last night to write a very lengthy piece. On all of this. Including the whole section on what the president should have done differently could have done differently might have done differently and probably needed to do differently in light of his knowledge about the corona virus articulated in his own voice. To Bob Woodward. Overwhelmingly, and this is a fact overwhelmingly when I encounter people on the left who tell me the president should of done differently and I dare to ask what should he have done differently. The only two. that. They say are mask mandate and shut down the economy shut us all down. The two things that even Joe Biden says are unconstitutional. Most of the people who are criticizing the president of these things are not actually very thoughtful. They're broken bipartisanship orange man bad is their narrative anything. The president does is despicable disdainful. It has an ulterior motive that they themselves fueled by their trump hatred. No. The president is not perfect. There are things he could have done. Differently there are things you probably should have done differently. There are things he should have done differently. No probably about it. But also. Same with Bob Woodward. Who held the knowledge? Of, what the president said so that he could sell books while bodies piled up rounding. Same with the media same with Andrew Cuomo same with the governor of Louisiana John Bel. Edwards same with the Governor of New Jersey. It's not like Nancy. Pelosi the Democrats were also being given briefings on the stuff they could have done something differently as well. But Nancy Pelosi was telling people this you go to Chinatown and enjoy Chinese new? Year. I'm just not willing to single out the president of the United. States all of this when so many people got stuff wrong including Saint Anthony Fauci who's telling people not to wear masks at the indicate another beginning they the end of February. And I firmly committed to the belief. That those who say? The. President should have acted more decisively more vocally more boldly at the end of January beginning of February. Same people who would have accused him of distracting from impeachment. Had He done so? and. Yes I want you to know this. You need to know this. Let me look directly at my camera for the livestream audience so that you can see my face what? I say this I never on this program safe things that I think you want here in fact, I've got a history of burning bridges with my audience saying things that I believe to be true that they don't like to hear about the president and everything else. But I firmly firmly believe every single one of you seething with rage over what the president didn't do that. You think he should have done. Had he done it when you wanted him to do it you would have said he was distracting from impeachment and you can never bring yourselves to admit impeachment was a failed distraction and impeachment itself cost lives in the virus you wanNA blame Donald Trump. You should blame the Demonstra Democrats for distracting the nation with a foolhardy impeachment where they couldn't get a single Republican on board despite the fact that some of these people are leaving office despise the president of the United. States. And, the Democrats never even bothered to try to make a bipartisan case they never did. In distracted everyone while a pandemic was spreading. But Orangemen bad. That makes you sleep well at night. I hope I can stop talking about the Bob Woodward Book. Now, 'cause I'm exhausted by the topic I. You know I feel like I've got an obligation to cover the news I have covered the news I'm done I'm done with Woodward. Actually I'm not done with Woodward. One. final. Point. About Bob. Woodward. and. Then I wanNA move onto all the other news of the day. Also John Pins the vice president's nephew is going to call in here in a minute but one final point Bob Woodward. please. Let me make this and I want to go to calls. y'All. Why would you ever talk to Bob Woodward? Why would you talk about? If there's one thing the president should have done differently that's me pending on my desk. It's toll talk to Bob Woodward. No good has ever come from anyone talking to Bob. Woodward That's just the reality. Do not talk to Bob Woodward and the president should not have talked to Bob Woodward Bob Woodward wrote a book about this White House at the beginning of the trump tenure in office, and he is the president didn't get to talk to him the book what took a very negative take on the administration and the president decided he wanted to be someone to talk to Bob. Woodward. Well, the the staff humored the president on the second go round with Woodward. The president spent eighteen conversations with Bob Woodward recording the calls. And look happened the moral of the story to not talk to Bob Woodward Mr President ever don't do it. I. Don't care who the president is. Don't do it. Now let's go to Jim Calling from Decatur Jim Welcome to the program. Well. Thank you. Well, who we go through this periodically of suffering from what I call twenty twenty hindsight. We never can remember, and so that's probably why we never asked the question. What did. This guy know at the time what did any of us know at the time. governor Cuomo said all those covid nineteen elderly back to the nursing homes. But in his possible defense, I don't know that I necessarily agree with this. But in his possible defense, we could say he was worried about his New York hospitals, beds overflowing. That was a real concern. Whether or not that was still a good idea kind kinda doubt it. But at the could I at the time have assessed that and come to the same possible conclusion. I don't know, and so we just don't WanNa let water go under the bridge about splashing around in it so. You. said that now I I will say this we we do now know from Woodward's tapes of the president and his own voice. He did know just how much more aggressive the coronavirus was before the public new the media we still telling people was not as bad as the flu the president was telling Bob Woodward on the phone that he knew was at least five times more deadly than the flu and more contagious than the flu. At the same time, you're you're right on on all these situations and I do think part of the problem right now is the hindsight issue. Is Everybody. Wants to go back and say in hindsight we should this or that, and because you didn't, it's bad but we don't really it's very much like We now have this habit of this country of looking at people from two hundred years ago and judging them by our current standards. We're looking at things from from nine months ago when we didn't know Steph saying you should have done this except we didn't know that a we now know for the president's own worst. There are some things he did. No, he didn't act like he knew. But there's still a lot. He didn't know I mean keep in mind that it was still I mean foul she at the February we sell people don't wear masks. Among other things But let me take one issue with you jim on the Cuomo part. Yes, it is. Very. It is very true. His concern could have been hospital overrun he had said that, but that could be a concern. At the same time we do know it was February fifteenth that Rhonda Santa's advisers were telling him. You've got a shutdown long term care facilities. You've got to protect the elderly. You've got to keep infected elderly patients from going back to nursing homes. and Florida's well was beginning to worry about the surgeon Florida and the potential for overrun of hospitals. and. They set up emergency facilities. To protect the elderly into, keep them quarantine if they had the virus, Andrew Cuomo Bill de Blasio didn't do that on the same day that Rhonda's Santa's was doing. This cuomo was giving the order to send infected elderly patients back in nursing homes. So, we shouldn't judge them in hindsight. But, I think it is fair to judge them based on the actions of the other governors who got what right and who got what wrong. At the same time. I continue to believe this point drives everybody crazy on both sides. But there's a level of grace that we have to extend to everyone in the situation. Democrat and Republican and Bob Woodward. Because there is a lot. We know now that we didn't no doubt. No then. And a lot of the initial information we have from China was willfully wrong. And we've got it. We got to be mindful of that I think we do have to be mindful and show some grace everyone and no one wants show graced anyone particularly the left and the media to the president. They don't WanNa show grace. It's all his fault. Everyone would have live to the president done things differently the things they should have done differently or the things that even Joe Biden says the president can't do and we should be mindful of those points as well when it comes to coverage in an and concern over the virus. Hello there it is Eric Erickson here. The full number. If you WANNA be part of the program eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric, eight seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five I am awaiting John Pins He is the nephew of the vice president and he's out actually on the campaign trail campaigning for the president and the vice president and talking a lot about economic policy. In the meantime I WANNA go back to the phones and I want to go to Matthew calling from Atlanta Matthew Welcome to the program. Hello Eric how you doing first time caller longtime listener. Thanks very much. Yeah. So a couple months ago maybe maybe six months ago message on Instagram and I said that it's possible that people will be double voting and Lo and behold looks like people will be trying to do with in person and mail ballots that the interesting thing is looks like America looks at Third World countries with the day and when they have their elections and people have to show up and put their finger in ink well after they vote to ensure that high. Point because it aggravates in fact, I don't know if you've seen this but yesterday. rahm Emanuel's brother Zeke Emanuel who designed obamacare actually there was an interview when he said that in person voted is perfectly fine it's no less safe than going to the grocery store to buy groceries a I, it infuriates me that we devalue in this country in person voting particularly when it's such a major deal in third world countries, I mean you you just brought up the the point of Iraq in the people voting and they had the purple ink on their finger and Afghanistan. The same thing as as a as a mark of success and progress and democracy, and this country people don't want to bother show up you know ironically ironically. Do you know the number one group? Of. People who WanNa vote in person. At the pulse. It's not Republicans. The number one group of people in the United States of America. Who Vote in person? that. Would be black voters. It took a long time. For. Black voters to be able to go to the polls without intimidation. The Democrats would have them believe that they are intimidated every time to go to the polls. That's not really true. black voters actually want to go to the polls they want to. Go Vote in person that they earned it. And I it's it's a bunch of white people who just want to mail it in full disclosure. I've requested my absentee ballot box I know on election day I get exceedingly busy doing TV hits in Radio and everything else and I don't want to forget show up and vote and I don't really want to stand in the line on election day this year with the virus. So I'm GonNa Vote Absentee but I've requested my ballot but normally I don't like to. Go in person. I don't mind hanging out on the lines. And I honestly the if if I were king for day. If I were king for a day. I would ban all early in absentee voting. Except for people abroad. Who can't get back to the United States including the military? and. Possibly those people who are infirm and can't get out of of the hospital or nursing homes. But every single other able bodied American. Show up on election day stand in line together freeze together swept together. Get Rained on, get wet whatever stand there together and go vote as a people. It makes it even easier for people to be intolerant. Of Their Fellow Americans and how they vote. By, not having to stand in line with them and get to know them. There's actually you know I was going to talk about this later but the perfect jumping off point there is, let's see. the website that I read. It's tech website. And I want to read you the headline on this piece. Trump voters. Should face negative consequences for their actions. This is a The website I don't Wanna I don't want it the guy harassed, but he's endorsing this and he's actually referring to a piece written by a designer, a writer called Gabriel. Blair. She's the creator of a a website called the design mom blog. And I wanna read you this. The other day I saw a tweet were person described that when they find out someone they know personally support trump they lose all respect for them. Instantly I liked the tweet and re tweeted it but stopped short of Sheridan on instagram why I suppose it's because like the author of the tweet I, also know trump supporters in real life. They already know I think trump is gross and they know that I frequently criticized trump supporters as a group, but I've hesitated to tell them directly that I've lost respect for them individually. But I woke up this morning, read reports of the final night of the Republican. National, convention in event hundreds of federal employees broke many laws grew deeply angry and now my hesitation is gone. And basically she tells them stop coming to their her website. She didn't create content forum. They sick in her stomach. She believes they need to face negative consequences that they're not decent people. They're abhorrent. And that she doesn't really want to know people. Who? Supporting The little broken not not respecting your neighbor this is a political decision. Each it this is a political decision. And the leftist so internalized this mythology that the president is somehow authoritarian, they actually are becoming the authoritarian. They so internalized the mythology of the president's attire at they're becoming tyrannical. If you don't agree with them, you must be punished. If you don't vote their way, you must be silenced. If you don't agree with them on on social policy, you must be destroyed. If anything honestly, you know go my feelings on the president and and this is one of the main reasons why I think it's got an obligation to support. The guy is because I think people like this need to lose. They need to see that the president's not a tire. They need to see the president's on authoritarian. They need to see that after four more years the president will be retired. Thanks to constitutional term limits. They need to see that all of their internalized hate towards the president and his supporters really is a true. And if Joe Biden wins, they'll never get that opportunity. They will smugly sleep in their bed at night thinking the right about all the stuff when they've been wrong the whole time the level of contempt these people for trump voters largely because they live in sheltered bubbles of progressivism where they never have to reach out to their fellow person that they don't understand what the struggles are of a blue collar worker in America that they don't understand. The life of your average. American. Outside some urban utopia that's actually a third world. Hellhole. These days ANTIFA comes through burning the place down and they still blame they blame donald trump for that. It's amazing how Donald Trump has such massive mind control over Joe Biden's voters that he can command them at will the burned down cities? This is the mythology in which the left leads these days because it makes them sleep well at night because deep down really. They're more marginalized and they kind of know it most Americans. Don't actually share their progressive values nor do they share their their vision for economic chaos in the United States with the Joe Biden. Administration where we raised four trillion dollar Joe Biden wants to raise more taxes on Americans and even Hillary Clinton wanted as ridiculous that's the perfect segue for John Pinch who is joining me from the campaign trail how are you? I'm great. Greater So I well I'm glad you're able to call in here and talk about because I was just discussing with the. There's this piece I was reading from the so-called mom blogger that basically she thinks trump voters are terrible. They need to suffer negative consequences and my personal thought is that you know Joe Biden gets elected four trillion dollars in taxes. The whole nation will share negative consequences if by becomes president. Right, there's been there's been some reckless political rhetoric like this anti vaccine accusation when that shouldn't be political about saving lives as the president said, but there's a freedom of expression eric in this country but there's not a freedom of destruction or cancellation and I think a lot of Americans. I think the American people see through the the Party of Control, that is today's Democrat Party. Yeah well I hope so. It's it really is infuriating to me the level of intolerance from the left towards people who support the president they consider him tyrannical Ano-, totalitarian and yet they're the ones who are out there engaged in canceled culture and the like it. But I I really I. I WANNA move beyond that with you to talk about some of the big economic policy differences. I know you're out on the campaign trail I, know you're the vice president's. and. And so people say well, of course, he's going to be on the campaign trail but I would really love digits. Let you say in your own words why are you out there campaigning? If you care about Pritam. If you care about what makes America Great and if you if you see America as a as the land of the free not something that's just a medically this or systematically that I think everyone should care about this election and everyone should get involved and I left the job I was working at a law firm in Indiana when the president picked my uncle to run and I've been with the trump campaign ever since seen how this party's grown because president trump is putting America first, he's keeping his promises he's fighting for us. He's he's fighting for our freedoms. When you get on the campaign trail, what? What are you experiencing out there I'm assuming I. Mean you're you're obviously not holding these giant rallies but but how do you campaign in the present age? Well you know it's it's kind of a time honored tradition of conservatives. It's called common sense We we do this day flame responsibility, but everyone knows the president's calling to safely reopen schools. It's very different to look someone in the Ir can say, thank you, I, actually bank a a lady named Cindy who's made over ninety thousand phone calls in Columbus Georgia for the president to anchor, and then ask the room you know what more can. We do for America and the next fifty three days in defensive our freedoms and You know this Republican Party continues to mobilize, organize, and do the hard work of campaigning I was in Cairo Georgia last night, and you're you're seeing the trump campaign all over the country making the case directly to the American people for four more years on behalf of the People George I do WanNa, know and appreciate that you said Kay row instead of Cairo. So. Listen. I could imagine you know. So my wife's family is from from south Georgia and Y- there from. Vienna. which the rest of the world says via and I had to learn that early in our marriage that you gotta get these names right Cairo and in Vienna Unit Dila. So let me ask you. Go ahead. And I say WE WE HAVE ADVERSE SALES INDIANA, I'm I'm told it's pronounced for CY. Forgot about that one Okay. Now, let me ask you being in Georgia going to places like. And the like what can people do if they want to get involved in the campaign here in Georgia do phone banking or anything else? What are they need to know? What should they do? Thank you great question easy. There's a website it's called trump victory dot com. It actually has like a heat map where you can see thousands of events happening every week in your area across the country volunteers doing phone banks, volunteers canvassing, going out to knock doors. Now, just last week here in the state of Georgia, volunteers knocked over one, hundred, forty thousand doors and ask you no one would know drive in from Kiro up the Columbus Georgia some doors are pretty far apart in this state and you know this this. Is just the the army for trump that's mobilizing and getting involved and doing the hard work of campaigning to make sure that this president is is in Washington and in fighting for us for for the next four years. Okay. I've got this pulled. This is actually pretty cool. So I can go in state by state and I can see the I can see the events I can see where everybody is coming. Oh, look you're you're going be in in my town tomorrow it looks like in make it or no today in making. Him. Yeah Oh great. Yeah. I'll be making in a couple of hours I'm GONNA make that drive here in a second and you know we're we we had the campaign, we follow the president's lead, which is go out and speak directly to the American people and this president has never hesitated to to be with the people and and to make this case, this America First Agenda for the American people with the American people and that's just what that's just how we operate here. Let a look. Oh, well, see. Okay this is somewhat This is somewhat painful for me because you're going to be my accountant's office and it reminds me that I've got to deal with my taxes but. For those of you in making where I am. This afternoon on on Spring St, John's going to be there. So now are you doing this assuming you're you're doing this? Not Just Georgia, but all over the place you're you're just nonstop of these plays. You. Have I'll be in in northern New Hampshire. I'LL BE IN HOUSTON TEXAS NOT Howson Georgia. This weekend. And you know we're just it's just the grassroots movement and and and you know we now this movement is part of the Republican. Party it's why the Republican Party is growing and it's just it's it's really is unprecedented I. I can tell you Eric de enthusiasm on the ground and just look at the boat parades just that are. Happening people are more energized and mobilized than ever to to re elect. President President. Trump. Will Listen best lucky out there on the campaign trail and and I'm glad you're coming to making you. You'll like it here and just me and I and I know you're still technically in. A newlywed, you're about a year out from from getting married. So we were on the campaign trail. So God bless you for that. Thanks there. Get will celebrate my wife Giovanni and I will celebrate our one year anniversary. Monday. So I'll I'll be back home for that Good yes. Do do that police. Aren't man. Good to talk to you. Too Take Care. John Pinch He is the economic advisor for the President's campaign actually married to a relative Kellyanne. Conway is the vice president's nephew as well for those who in middle Georgia he will be in Macon this afternoon Let me get the details for you. He will be in making this afternoon at two PM on Spring Street, at the trump victory office thereby Zach spy's on St Spree Street downtown Macon ago to trump victory dot com. If you want to find out more and if you want to get involved hello there, it is irregular extent here the full number is eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric Eight seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five the Atlanta police. Union has come out with an endorsement for Doug Collins Here's Greg. Bluestar. The AJC Atlanta Police Union is backing Doug Collins bid for US Senate after the Republican called for the removal of Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard from the investigation into a high profile shooting that led charges against two officers. Collins is set to appear with members of the International Brotherhood of Police Officers Local six twenty, three union on Thursday to tout the endorsement in his campaign to unseat Senator Kelly. Leffler. The four term congressman has traveled the state to urge our to step aside and allow an independent prosecutor to take up the case after the attorney charged to Atlanta Police officers with Ray Chard Brooks killing. and. He said a letter to US Attorney General Bill Bar, urging him to open an investigation into Howard's egregious abuse of power and accused him being driven by political reasons. The longtime Atlanta Prosecutor Paul Howard was trounced in an August runoff by Fanny Willis one of his former deputies the son of a Georgia. State Patrol Trooper Collins has ratcheted up his criticism of Howard to both demonstrators support for law enforcement and undercut supporters of Leffler who have not echoed his call among them as attorney. General Chris. Carr who has pointed to state laws that show his office has the legal authority to appoint another prosecutor to a case only if a court disqualifies the DA or if the DA recused himself. Howard has denied accusations. He was politically motivated to bring criminal charges against Kirit. Ralph who fired the shots that killed Brooks and officer Devin. Bronson both said, they follow police protocol did nothing wrong you know Fannie Willis, the incoming district attorney in Fulton County over this has said that she's going to have to review the case that in large part because because Paul Howard made it part of his campaign and brought it up in campaign speeches that there are allegations of political motivation by the DA and also he could have tainted a jury. In Fulton County and it may be cost prohibitive for Fulton county to have to move the case to a different county outside the Metro area. which they're probably going to have to do. The District Attorney Paul Howard made such a big deal over his indictment of Ralph and the media also made such a big deal of it. I don't know that the guy can get a fair trial and I I feel bad for the guy. I genuinely feel bad for Garrett Ralph I don't know the guy I don't lose family. But I feel bad for him to be put through the ringer. All he was doing was doing his job and I frankly do think you've got to judge each of these cases individually and I don't think that guy did anything wrong in that case, but the DA wanted to win reelection and lost anyway. Gosh. How did we get to the third hour? Welcome in is Eric Erickson here the full number you WanNa be on the program eight, seven, seven, nine, seven Eric. Eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. I know I'm not done with the critical I don't want to spend a lot more time. On the critical theory stuff But a a buddy of mine who listen to yesterday's show he's in the the Presbyterian Church in America with. And he's alarmed because there are a couple of very prominent. Churches that are coming out in support of reparations for slavery, which I vehemently oppose. Those reparations were paid a in blood on battlefields across this country. and he pointed me to a guy I don't know the guy. He's a minister within the name is Gregory Thompson who tried this before? Tim Keller piped up I've read you the Tim Keller stuff on critical theory but I I just I wanna were walk you through some of this. So you understand there is a another side to this story. I I feel like I should. But I I've got a I got to go line by line through this just point out. Some of this is he writes some general observations on a few of the harmful tendencies in a number of recent creek. Christian treatments of Cultural Marxism, which he claims is not a thing if very much is. And critical theory, which is a thing and the religious social justice. He says I can't even written in the mode of critical theory, but which will not be further elaborated or debated on facebook but may emerge in an article at some point. Whatever listen to some of this. Tendency not to disclose that we are not actually trained in critical theory or really that familiar with it but that we just heard some things about it from our cousin or maybe read some articles from people we trust and now consider ourselves sufficiently competent to make sweeping pronouncements about a series of discrete interconnected and incredibly complex disciplinary traditions even though such behavior slightly problematic for people committed to truth but I got early two hundred like so whatever as land is on the move. in other words the this is the response of someone buys it a critical theory within the Presbyterian Church in America one of the more conservative denominations in America, who I'm told is is on the verge of coming out I slave reparations among other things and I'm sorry. But if you have the train deeply like I have in critical theory, you're just not smart enough to accurately articulated. The tendency to engage Marxist materialism with a theologically infected idealism that is problematic in its own right note if you're writing about critical theory and don't understand what I just said, you should stop writing about it. See. You're not aware of your own biases when you engage with marks therefore, you can't actually understand marsh only the critical theorists can actually understand marks. The tendency to remain strangely uninterested in the terrible social context in which Marxism emerged in the first place and why it continues to resonate with the poor and outcast around the. World. Today. So according to this advocate of critical theory that we have to understand that Marxism came from from dark times where people were treated unfairly. And maybe that'll it sounds like a defensive Marxism. Does it not? The tendency to habitually mischaracterized critical theory is a worldview or a form of philosophical socialism without realizing that such things are enlarge Mary the vision. Critical theory critiques by by the way, it's worth noting that this guy is essentially saying. That you can't consider critical theory a worldview because critical theory critiques, World Views, which does in fact, then make it a world view. The tendency to seriously reduce or conflict the breath and the diversity of the theoretical streams that flow into critical theory into a cartoonish coherent whole without realizing that not even Marx held one view of Marxism. Where do you even begin with a statement like this it is. This is very much like the statement that we need to keep doing communism because no communist government has ever actually implemented communism as it was intended to be implemented. This guy is in the Presbyterian Church in America. The tendency to suggest that because one thing or a leader in the Marxist tradition thought or said or did a thing that the entire tradition is thereby committed to that thing which if true. If true and be consistently applied would be bad news for the Christian tradition. Okay. So not all Marxists have supported the genocide of those with whom they disagree. So we can't conclude that Marxism supports genocide yet. You got that that's that's what he's arguing the tendency not to let critical theorist speak for themselves but to let them speak only through our interpretation of them, which actually illustrates this. This is word Salad Gobbledygook. We've got to let the critical theorist speak for themselves, and if they're not clear, it's our fault not their fault again, this goes back to Tim Keller. Remember one of the big issues of critical theory is that language constructs our reality. And if you're in pain but the critical theorist tell you that's pleasure will by God, you better call it pleasure or else because that's what they meant. The tendency to make misleading statements with respect to the complex ways in which theories actually take shape in the world by profoundly overstating the ideological coherence of the current movement or by wrongly suggesting that Christians who participated movement buying wholesale into another Gospel well, they are and by the way. So so let's let's let's just well on this Roman. The, the to the tendency to make misleading statements with respect to complex ways in which theories actually take shape of the world to profoundly overstating the ideological coherence of the current movement I. so there isn't ideological coherence and yet this guy wants us to use critical theory. Why should we in Christianity we have this thing called Orthodoxy were over thousands of years you settle on the way things work and through Orthodox? And making sure it's true scripture and here no, it's ideologically incoherent. Let's run with it. The tendency to triumph produce articles which why people say they are trained marxists without having the slightest idea what that even means. So we're. We're not allowed to take people's word for it. So the black lives matters founders call themselves Marxist, but we're not allowed to use that because they mean something else with the word what we mean. The tendency to appear incapable of different strongly from another person or group of people in this case critical theorists. And even to be utterly exhausted annoyed by some of those differences and yet within toward a common goal without freaking out that we will be corrupted by them unless we live in ideological quarantine. So much of this as word salad. Also. By the way, it also goes onto he also goes on to essentially say that The willing. The tendency to willfully neglect the long tradition of Christian Marxists around the world especially in the Catholic Church. You presbyterians. And to traffic in the demonstrably false binary of Christian versus Marx's without realizing such a binary has more to do with rocky for does with that WHO Christian history of the planet that right there is called. Baloney. it is it's this is. And, I need you to be exposed to this because this is considered one of the big thinkers. Within the conservative Presbyterian denomination, the Presbyterian Church America if if the the Marxists. Have infested the culturally conservative Orthodox biblically Orthodox conservative Presbyterian Church in America you you need to be aware of this stuff. You need to be mindful of the denial of Cultural Marxism and it really is funny to me how the left just flat out denies. There's cultural Marxism. Do. You not see them marching in the streets burning down buildings. and. All of this goes to an inability to speak with moral clarity on what is right and what is wrong yes. The looting of the building is bad but we must understand why they looted the building. That's where he hit with this critical theories of this is all word. Salad Gobbledygook that essentially you've gotta lead. This is what this guy is arguing. This is Greg Thompson he's a pastor. And he's arguing. That you have to let the critical theorists speak for themselves into find. And if you don't go along with exactly what they say but interpreted differently, will you're doing badly? This gets to Tim Keller's Critique of critical theory, which is that they believe language is what Shapes Reality And that if you essentially if you describe pain as pleasure. Then we're to accept that that is actually pleasure. And we're to enjoy it because that's pleasure. It's very much the same way. The Communists could look at the people that really look at Bernie Sanders in the bread lines Bernie. Sanders defended bread lines in the Soviet Union is proof no one was starving because they could line up to get food no one was ever left behind. This, what we're dealing with here. This is a pasture and a conservative American denomination. WHO's trying to leave that denomination? You've got the the Scott Souls of the Nashville area. You've got this guy in others who are embracing people who believe in critical theory within a conservative evangelical denomination in this country. We are in dangerous times. The word salad approach. To this stuff is bad. and. That's essentially what we have here. Let me read you one more this criticize. This is about critics of critical theory and their tendency to reframe the discussion in such a way that the church emerges as the actual victim. Victimized by the so called priests of social justice who totally hurt our feelings and the so-called Gospel of Marxism which threatens our beliefs thereby not only taking the attention off the people who are to use one example dying from fixation the streets after eight minutes, forty six seconds, but also continuing the long. Tradition of making everything about ourselves. You see that you can't defend yourself from this because if you say that cultural that critical theories bad will than you're distracting from George Floyd and you're making it all about yourself. For some people I realized this stuff sounds good. But this this is like pseudo intellectual stuff to me. I mean, this guy even admits that there's no coherence. In the ideology and yet once. Christian denominations to embrace the stuff. This this is ridiculous Gobbledygook, word salad nonsense and and somehow we're supposed to treat it as real where we're supposed to treat it as as sustainable. We're supposed to treat this seriously as a way to interpret scripture to analyze scripture and to share the Gospel with people. How can you when they already admit that there's there's no coherent philosophy here and by the way not actually. Treating the the Marxism as being dismissive of Marxism. Marxism. Has Killed More. People. Globally then even Nazism. And to look at this is the same way that the left has always said, we'll. No, one's ever really done communism. The right way here comes a pastor in the Presbyterian Church in America, the PCA who is claiming that no one really done Marxism right. And you you can't hold one person getting Marxism wrong for another person who eventually get it right that that may not cause the genocide of millions of people. You've got Marxists running China today. You go through China and you'll see murals that have the picture of Karl Marx wrote next Chairman Mao. Are we not to allow that to speak for itself? This guy would argue you can't that. They're just getting a wrong. You know there's not intellectual consistency here. Here's the bottom line. If you're a person of faith. You believe there's an absolute truth. You believe there's a real truth. And? This guy is embracing something other than real? Truth. As a way to interpret truth. He he's willing to embrace something amorphous that can be shaped by the person into whose hit it is implanted. And let that person speak and he's dismissive of people like John Mc Order and people like David Brooks and others for pointing out that this really is in and of itself a religion, it really is a faith and it is a faith in it. It's early forums that is still being shaped by its Gospel adherence and this guy's largely admitting it. It's still being shaped different for everyone and yet we should apply. This is this is bad news and it's that it's in a conservative religious denomination Christian denomination in the United States. Eat those who are in the nomination myself included need to be vigilant against the sort of stuff. in rejected the sort of stuff. And and push back forcefully against it. Because you read this stuff and and none of this really makes sense and the level of dismissive. ISM. That Marxism. Surely, not not a big deal Christian Marxists are just I? No, no. No. In fact in the history of Central America a Catholic priest who embrace a Christian Marxism as they turned a blind data genocide. That's not me. That's actual true history. in that, this guy is dismissing all that man I fear for the denomination. If that's the way they're going and I realized when we were listed as well I'm not in that I'm the PISCOPO Balian. does it matter? It's coming for all of us if it's gotten into something like the PCA it's coming for all of us everywhere you bet or pay attention into it. I found a movie that can be turned into a best picture that that has all the diversity requirements. Your you know the the Kademi words say that unless you've got diverse movies now. They've got to be diverse in their casting. They gotta be diverse behind the scenes you gotta have so many in the gay community. So many lesbians so many people in Wheelchairs all of that I I look forward to to them remaking nineteen seventy by the way with a wheelchair-bound lesbian as the chief of the British squadron trying to go across the the German Front to get a message that river scene is going to be something with the wheelchair nonetheless So they have decided that you gotta have all the diversity I know a movie that could be made get. This is actually incredible story the California fire there were two hundred. I'd just this is this is profound me. Two hundred people. In California. Surrounded by the fire out there by the wildfire. And cal fire told them. They were on their own. That they would have to do whatever they could to save themselves. Schmidt, they're all GonNa die two hundred people were going to die because the California fire rescue team said Nope can't come to you. You're on your own. So the California National Guard loaded up helicopters. Helicopters. And Cal Fire Can the California? Fire. Department ordered them to stand down. Told Them. No, you can't go do it. It's too dangerous. Don't go in the California National Guard gave the California firefighters the Middle Finger and rescued all two hundred. California residents. I just I. We need to to meditate on this point for minute. That not only did the fire department say no, it's too risky. Don't go. But abandoned two hundred people to a fire. To their deaths. and. It was the national. Guard, that saved them. I'm just I'm I, really genuinely am flabbergasted. By this I I mean I really really actually am flabbergasted. That they would abandon two hundred people i. saw the pictures now they could turn this into a movie because. It's there was a diverse cry. I saw the pictures of the people I saw the pictures of the people on the helicopter and and the the national. Guard soldiers who rescued them and they were super diverse. Super diverse and I just I think it was amazing. To See what they did I, it's horrific to see what they had to go through to get there a terrific, but it's also deeply impressive that they would do that. These are real heroes. Who did this the and this again, let me read you. This is actually all what what's happening here. This is from social media cal fire was alerted that two hundred people were entirely encircled in fire. They formally declared them beyond the ability of California fire to save effectively telling them they were on their own likely to die the California National Guard spun up two helicopters and headed out to help on the right over cal fire called them repeatedly to call them off and tell them to go back to base. It was too dangerous. Flying using night vision through high crosswinds, Suk, burning numbers, and rough terrain. The, California National Guard rescued all two hundred people. Their efforts were captured through their own pictures. Huge, huge props. To Count National Guard. There are videos of them the evacuees from the creek fire exit a Chinook helicopter from the California National Guard Fortieth Combat Aviation Brigade after landing safely two hundred people. Two hundred people they stuffed the helicopter full of people strip the helicopter down they'll normally holds about thirty people stripped him down so that they could hold those two hundred people and saved their lives when the fire depart was going to abandon them that just amazing heroism at work there by the National Guard to save those people, it is era Harrison here the Eric Erickson show the full number, eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, seven, four, five there is so much going. On in the wide world of sports right now, I I actually. So I'm spoken wings this afternoon to go hang out with a buddy and in watch the the NFL tonight watch actual football But now you've got high school sports around the country deciding what's going on and stuff I thought it would act. He actually was texting me last night as I was starting to text him to say you should come on Dave. Briggs. Join me to talk about all of this. How are you? I'm great brother. How are you? Yeah it's a good time of year. We've got finally got no preseason action. So of your. Guessing what GonNa look like tonight, what how the protests might impact at all but the NBA has been outstanding although the ratings have been awful and high school football with on my radar, and that's why I reached down to you my state Connecticut. Thousands of players, parents and coaches protest at the state capital because are they cancelled the entire season? Of High School football, which I should be unbiased I'm not I find it outrageous awful decision by the Connecticut State Health Department and hopefully the. Governor. Lamont. Reverses earn that decision Friday. Know let me ask you about that one because you and I we talked about this. I saw some of your tweets on this. They've been doing like practices and the light throughout the summer they haven't had any instances of the virus and yet they want to cancel it. state-wide. They've been practicing full-contact slow teams out there in the heat. The drills. Hitting, Renton it they're grouped together. They're not social distance and we just haven't seen the science. There's been zero spread in Connecticut interference. As you've heard about with college football programs there has been saying about the spread on the football field. Presumably, it's been in the training room locker rooms, weight rooms, and things of that nature. But now in that instance, Connecticut has gone out of their way to be safe into where mass into social distance it's not just that. The State of Connecticut we are third bastard lowest cases in the United States. Per One hundred thousand and yet we have a few states. In. The country that has cancelled the season entirely not putting to the spring not to the winter but cancelling an entirely got thousands of parents saying number one at least let us have a say which we don't let us see the science what about you know think about these parents or kids have worked ten fifteen years every day blood sweat and tears, and maybe there's only twenty or thirty of them but those kids that are scholarship type of athletes. Have that ripped from their hands can't compete for a scholarship scholarships not on the football field and those scholarships will be handed out. They'll just go to kids from other students what about those parents can't afford to send their kids to college imagine just ripping three, four, hundred, thousand dollars of education from them, and then I talked to a lot of coaches there. Last night you said, their biggest concern is what happens to these kids when they're not playing high school football Friday nights there on the field. Instead, what are they gonNA be they're going to be drinking beers. They're going to be at parties probably not social distancing likely wear ask. And football is the reason for them to perform in school. It gives them structure and discipline helps their mental health literally as reason points to finding a way for these kids to play high school football in the plates safely, and that's not what they do and you see it largely political is there most of the decisions to not play aren't largely blue states like? Most of the states that aren't willing to play or Red States, Texas Florida Oklahoma, you name it. They're playing despite seven times covert prevalence that we have here. This is the thing that I have found most fascinating in all of this. Regardless of any of the commentary that's out there on the politics of it really is, for example, you've got a New York City New York now, which actually has a very low rate of the virus is not reopening schools and and a lot of states actually are and I that that have higher rates of the virus and parents are getting really frustrated, and now you've got this scenario in Connecticut. The the whole thing just sounds a little absurd to me. Yeah and I think it's really unfortunate that were doing it largely through. Political lines red and blue states. Let us see the signs I. Mean we can all agree that. Let's let the science lead the way here. But when they Connecticut State Health Department won't show you the science of why. So these labeled football contact football a high risk activity without providing the science behind that again, zero spread on football practice throughout the state they are moving ahead. Ice Hockey tournaments in Gore's four contact throughout the state of Connecticut Work Kids are coming from other states mind you and indoor volleyball. Indoor volleyball will procedure in the state of Connecticut. So look for those people out there. They're saying, go you know Republicans Are Dallas into the science? That's not true. We just want to see the science and the to the -demia allergist. Ahead of ACC medical advisory board he believes that they can play college football safely and that's part of the reason the ACC moving from where the SEC moving forward down in your country, and then you've got the twelve. The big ten deciding not to place a largely again along political lines, not necessarily following your son's. I believe Connecticut will reverse this decision on Friday I. Think they were shocked at the outrage and you think there were stunned at the participation by the players It was all walks of life. It was very diverse protest and I'll everyone sang these kids jeopardizing themselves by protested a hundred percent of these kids were wearing masks. I was very stressed how politically activists kids were. Teacher while well, you know. So let's switch from high school to the NFL, what are you expecting with the protests and I continue to hear grumbling from a lot of people who are NFL fans and just feel they need an escape from everything by looking at sports and other they're upset with the level of political activism they're having to see when they're going to the sports to get away from the political activism. I'm very concerned Eric and it's because of what I'm seeing in the NBA I'm die hard sports fan. You don't have to worry about me I, watch everything but my Denver Nuggets who are not usually this. Good. So their attention playing the LA clippers I'm talking with friends and family from Colorado. Hey. What do you think of the nuggets? Not One of them will watch because all it is constant reminder of. The social injustice, the black lives matter movement. As you know, it's painted on the NBA court most of the interviews that they give post game instead of talking about the game go right back to the black lives matter movement I talked to the owner of the Milwaukee Bucks classroom this and I. said it may be a good cause but don't you feel bad business and he said I don't even if it is. We. Believe we're doing the right thing. Their ratings are down twenty percent Eric. There's nothing to watch on television. The NBA playoffs should be gangbusters they're down twenty percent one point nine, million people watching on average three and a half million. We're watching two years ago man, my concern is the NFL has the same problem but Roger Goodell Eight no commissioner silver is very different than the NFL owners also very different than. For more conservative. There's going to be protests but NFL in their less than with Colin, Kaepernick it hurt their wallet and it hurt it immediately, there's going to be protests is going to be la players taken in me but I think they're going to do everything they can to keep it off the sidelines an awful television broadcast most importantly I think what goodell will hope to do is let the protests on, keep it off the TV keep the focus on the sport if they don't, they're ratings will pay no doubt about it. Yeah I think they will. You bring up the the point of Goodell's Know Adam silver. I have not had a chance to talk to you about this but he the woke kness of the of the NBA particularly in light of the China situation in for example, ESPN which would yank the cameras away from people looking at the protest signs in got the situation of Disney having film Milan in an area where their concentration camps it it just seems like the the the moral inconsistency of the NBA and incorporations like Disney is really starting to. Sink into the conscience of the public. Yeah. The hypocrisy is is really sick. Leave is see through regarding how the NBA just. Fell to their knees when China threatened I mean there was a players is. Human. Rights but largely the NBA did everything they could to sweep that under the carpet and the coddle the NBA 'cause the billions of dollars that China offers them but human rights didn't ultimately carry the day with the NBA China when you're talking about millions of people being locked up over there that the Muslim League. So now I it's it's a bad look for the NBA to constantly be forcing this message. Downhill and they're paying for it people just want to watch. It's not to say that people don't support the movement that don't want to see these. These police shootings, and of course we do. An awful awful pattern overseeing these United States but people deserve an outlet. They deserve to sit down and watch some sports with constantly being reminded of how racist this country you think. You know I think it makes it a lot of people the wrong way as well. Players making thirty, thirty, five, million dollars a year to score fifteen point game talking about what a racist country we are I think. It's difficult for some people to embrace the fact that every billionaire millionaire billionaire athlete. Is a black athlete in the United States and not because of how they played largely because they've been allowed to become corporations the money they make off the court is larger than they make on it. So it's a hard message for these guys to be delivering when they're making tens of millions, and in some case hundreds of millions, and now we're seeing billionaire athletes. Yeah, that's such. A great point, the level of hypocrisy there, and just if frustration people just want an escape now before I, let you go I I would be remiss being where I am noting twenty nine to nine the braves versus the Marlins last night that I missed the game. But yet, you know I just I I gotta give one for the braves. They always seem to disappoint me and yet they didn't last night. They didn't they. We'll. You have world series soaps very. Good young players. Can they win a world series with this club probably not but I find you know I don't know what it is about baseball it is largely absent the the real mainstream discussion and I don't know if the absence of fans but I just don't find people talking about it watching it and maybe it is strictly the absence of fans I think they need. To start introducing at least socially distant stadiums and by the way six NFL stadiums including tonight, the chiefs will have fans there and I think that'll be a difference maker for the NFL I think those teams that are going to allow some fans are going to be better better product. The Major League Baseball Product isn't great right now, but that's a great win by your break. Outstanding. Better could have some chick fillet and sitting stadium they'll and watch. Yeah. Totally. I i. just I I need to sit in the stand and have a beer and watch a game and and none of that is half I actually have a buddy of mine. He had a small group of people they were allowed into one of the rooms at the game last night. Watch it no one in the stands. But in you know, they got the fancy glass areas where you can go get drinks and stuff and they can stay up there and there were like two dozen people spread out watching the game and that was it and you would have never known. They were there. Just they need. Baseball needs people in the stadiums I always find baseball so much more fun to watch in the crowd as opposed on DVD. Yeah don't I don't think that any sport Lucy, the ratings return to where they were before until they have fans now the NFL might be different if they're able to keep the protests somewhat quiet I think people are so hungry for football action because I would expect you to be thirty million people watching tonight and a return to the fifteen. Million Person Average that they saw last season but that's a big. If, they can make sure the protests onto story that the football carries the day I'm hopeful but I'm not certain. Well, I I'm I'M GONNA be watching tonight I'm smoking wings and having a few beers and watch dave listen. Thanks for stopping by. Appreciate it very much. Wings and beer brother tears. Enjoy it. Take Care Daybreak. With CNN for awhile was with weakened Fox and friends taking a hiatus from TV right now to cover sports the Texans and the chiefs play tonight at eight twenty on NBC I i. Absolutely you know I, I like College Football I. I'm not a huge sports guy, but I, Love College football. And I'm ready to really get Georgia Games lsu games. But I'm watching this tonight I'm watching Man Davis. Oh right. The pro to I'm I'm exhausted by the there's no escape from it. They want you to care. You will be made to care. They want you to care. There's no respite from any of it and I think people really want to break the they're just tired of it. They they need they need an outlet and they're not getting it by forcing the stuff into their TV screens and end and rubbing their nose in it and people are starting to resent it. I think Eric Erickson here the. Show let's go to the phones bill calling from Eaton Welcome to the program. Bill. Hey Eric. I just. Heard that talking about because not going to college, my immediate reaction is with this. Crap and all the other stuff is going on why would anyone in their child to a college today? Only to be indoctrinated in liberal politics and how to be a good cog in the communist wheel. I could say a lot of other. Stuff. Look I get you you know honestly I. It's funny. You should say this bill because I'm having more and more conversations with parents. So my my oldest just turned fifteen we've we've still got a few years but the amount of concern that people have right now over their kids going to college it's not just the cost is that they're not really learning valuable skills in fact, more and more data shows that your kid can go to a trade school and learn a vocational occupation and make more money with less debt than a whole lot of People going into. Your regular traditional four year bachelor degree college, which is surprising and you know I mean I I would law school I I would undergrad and law school at Mercer University Walter F George, School of law there too ashamed to say at these days and. I personally. AM still paying off student loans from law school and I haven't practiced law since two, thousand six, really a really two thousand and five wrapped up my last case two, thousand, six and is it worth Sydney? These days to college were you're going to be deeply indebted. They're going to be deeply indebted and they're going for a bunch of liberal propaganda. I I suspect what we're going to see is a number of colleges kind of rice from the rubble of the pandemic. Frankly, I think it would be a good thing if some American colleges universities went out of business of what's going on. That I mean, kids can't go to college now the there's a pandemic they're trying their best kids are going there being well, they're being college kids. Here comes the virus and. They're having to to socially distance learning. I don't know that the sustainable for a lot of schools and I actually think it's probably a good thing. I think that we are oversaturated in colleges and universities in the United States right now Menia them you're not getting the bang for the buck with it. You're getting an indoctrination instead of an education you're getting a bunch of you got a bunch of frivolous degrees the whole victimization victimology classes of of women's Studies Gender Studies Queer Theory Studies. African American studies you name it and you got a bunch of kids going in and stuff like that. My favorite was years ago someone complaining they got a master's degree in puppetry arts and we're upset they couldn't make ends meet and I'm thinking what are you thinking? Of course, you're not GonNa, you're not going to be making ends meet with a master's degree in puppetry arts and the student loan to come away with that and listen if you WANNA. Do something like that. Go for it. But don't then insist on social policies that bail you out of your irresponsibility. I'm just I'm I'm not there with you. it just it. It's the whole thing is crazy to me. I. Don't have a lot of sympathy for American. Universities these days given. What they've been, what they've allowed to happen under the name of tenure among other things by the way before we get out of here, there's an interesting story. Right. Now, Mark Galli he is. The was the editor of Christianity today. You'll remember he wrote the big editorial basically saying. A pox on all of you for supporting. Donald Trump is unworthy of support and by the way I'm retiring he has retired from Christianity today the newspaper founded by Billy Graham and now he's converting to Catholicism. That's right. He's convert having having burned all the bridges with Christianity today hurt them with their subscriber base, left the door and said I'm Catholic now. Interestingly enough that I I know I know a lot of evangelicals who have converted to Catholicism Dino what it is liturgy? The, the going to church and being made to feel like you're in a sacred space as opposed to the converted Walmart with the band on stage There are a lot of people who like to feel the sacred and they don't feel it and I. I think this modern trend evangelicalism where you go into the big box tour with the band on stage and the neon lights and the strobe lights and the disco balls and and the regular chairs and Y- you got nothing There are a lot of people who get turned off by that. They WANNA level of energy I. Honest to goodness. Protestant churches could do themselves a world of good if they got serious about ecclesial. Aji and too many of them are not there. There's your there's your theology of the day. All right. Listen A we're going to be back here. Tomorrow I don't know after this last bit who knows but. We do I want to talk about the sturgis rally? I'm sure you've heard the report there's a lot on there. I didn't have time for today I. Don't want have to talk about Bob Woodward Tomorrow I. Think I've exhausted the topic in one day I'm already tired of the story. I'm already tired of the election at this point I, just want it done I wanted over I'm just this. This whole year needs to be put on the ash heap of history and let's move on to twenty twenty one.

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#EERS S9 Ep112: Saying It Out Loud

The Erick Erickson Show

2:02:38 hr | 4 months ago

#EERS S9 Ep112: Saying It Out Loud

"Good Morning. Welcome, it's Eric. Erickson here. The phone number eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric Eight seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five hour America, I hope you're doing well this morning. Did you know it's Friday? Some of you may not realize it's Friday it is you may be able to breathe easy some this weekend. Well I I don't want to rock the boat on you this morning. I've got some. I, it's actually really interesting information before I. Get there though I need to set it up for you and before I. set it up for you. very funny. Thing just happened on the floor of the State House representatives. My friend West Cantrell sit this to me. This is randy. Nick State Representative Randy, Knicks. It appears the casino legislation may be dead, but this is Randy Knicks on the floor of the House of Representatives. Thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Baker rising opposition this morning to the gambling legislation that got presented during morning orders yesterday. You know gambling is special. Doesn't doesn't follow the same rules as everything else is Cadillac a horror movie. Monsters coming, but you never know when. And also it's never dead a Monday night. That thing got dug up brush the dirt off of it gave it new clothes. In Strip Senate resolution, and in sixteen hours got presented in full in morning orders if that not special. And it gets bigger and better every year. You know what they have to put some shiny objects we can grab onto. This one's got a lot box. Lock box. It's really cold. An emergency powers fun, but we'd never met. District got lot buzz, and if I understand it, those benevolent gambling bosses are gonNA come down here. Just stuff that with money, so we need anything we can just grab it. pull it out. And this one also has got another shiny. This got an opportunity fun. Box except it's all education, so you can get in there if you need some. Also simple all we gotta do just put this thing on the ballot. In those big old gambling boys. And girls are gonNA. Come down, and they're gonNA. Take care of all. We gotTA. Do is trust them. Just trust them to take care of us. You know serious question though. What are we willing to sell Georgia for? You know if if this is so great, their number of states that have legalize casino gambling. Which one do we want to be like? We want to be like the one. That's the number one state in the country for business. Oh wait a minute. That's Georgia. Seven years in a row. How about the ones AAA, bond ratings. They managed to keep all the way through the great recession. I looked it up but I. don't think they're going to be many on that list. That's Georgia. How about the one this guy, the model public scholarship fund in the country that others come and try to model after. Oh. Wait a minute. That's the hope scholarship that's Georgia. which some fatty! Please tell me again why we need to sail our state to the gambling bosses. Yielded whale. That was state representative Randy Nix happened on the floor of the State House It appears it appears the you know, so. The legislature winds down tonight at midnight. There's always hanky-panky. That happens along the way we'll see if they can try to sneak it. Through there will be eagle is watching. They know I. Get off the air completely by six PM they will. They'll rush after that, but it appears they may not have the votes to get this thing to the Ford now. What what I'M! I'm being told. Is there holding it in the rules committee in the house and if they think they can get the votes, they'll rush it out this evening. and try to get it in over to the Senate. I I am told the fate in the Senate may potentially not really give them what they want. I will keep you posted I will keep you updated as always you can text the word army two, three, three, seven, seven seven and sign up for the of his list. I will email out to the activists list as things are going on. and. Keep you posted. Keep you updated. Tell you what's going on also a before. I go any further. It is June twenty-sixth I want to remind you if you want to. The PGA program, the Payroll Protection Program, you need to go to first liberty, dot com and apply I liberty, G. Dot, com, I liberty, building and loan there in Newnan Georgia their local. They've been doing this. As ninety three helping businesses get access to capital you want you want your business. Come in even bigger business. You need like ten million dollars well. You can go to them for that as well, but if you wanted to pc, you could be a sole proprietor. You can be a contractor. You can be a small business and you can apply on their website gets payroll and order. They'll help you into the program. They can't guarantee it. They tell me it is backlogged. It is. It is slow moving. People are getting approved, and then they're waiting for months to actually get the money. The sooner you get into better and they're not taking applications after June thirtieth small business administration. Is it so thanks to a first liberty building alone for sponsor? The program and you go get them to help you if if you can if you want I liberty G. dot com. Let's talk about polls because I have been. Given access to polling. I want to let me let me explain polling for you. If you're new to this program, allow me to explain my view on polling. A polling is a snapshot whenever you see a poll. That for example says Joe. Biden is nine points ahead. which you need to tell yourself is that if the election were held today Joe Biden would win between well whatever the margin varies, but potentially between five points and nine points, and the question is. Is it enough with Electoral College. If you're within three or four points in the poll as we saw with Hillary Clinton, Yes, the electoral college is in play when you get above four to five points in a polling divide for the president, the electoral college really isn't going to be much different from the polling, probably not enough to affect the outcome. This is historically true with George W Bush and with with Donald Trump against hillary. Clinton you gotta remember in two thousand. Sixteen the polling averages had Hillary Clinton at three point. She actually won the popular vote with two points, and that was enough in the Electoral College to shift. There were seventy thousand voters spread through Pennsylvania Michigan and Wisconsin. That gave Donald Trump victory. When you're talking at a ten point margin like Joe Biden is in the polling average. The president does have a pop problems, but that's today. It's not November. We're June twenty six. You don't worry about November. A Corporation, so I run my daily newsletter. on sub stack my daily email. And, I have been. I've I've been growing the membership list like seven bucks a month to subscribe to it gives you insider information podcast interviews things like that and one of the WHO subscribes to it is the CEO of a Major National Corporation that's headquartered here in Georgia and was very interested about the the business landscape in Georgia for some investment. They're doing and decided to do a poll within the company I I know the pollster. The pollsters highly reputable, and it was a phone based poll and they decided to look at trying to get as best they could. Could, they weren't really care. They didn't really care about younger people. They wanted to know older people. Older people will shape the landscape, so they asked they found the voters and you can do this. You can get the voter file and figure it out yourself. They asked the the voters They looked at people who had voted in the last four elections, so trump in two thousand sixteen. Obama Obama and Bush. So you're talking about people who were in there. They're in their forties and older. Really. They're not really interested in the twenty and thirty year olds. So it skews slightly, but that should skew slightly better for president trump because the the demographic is a little older younger voter skew very decisively towards the Democrats these days, and it's bad news for president trump in Georgia today, if the election were held in Georgia today, these eight hundred voters overwhelmingly would go for Joe Biden there there'd be two points. Japan would be by two points. It's not all bad news though Doug Collins leads, Kelly. Leifer but they're in first and second place in David Purdue barely leads Jon Ossoff by point. But. That's actually really good news for David Purdue right now summer and you got gotTA. Keep in mind. Summer polling historically bad for Republicans. Some are pulling always bad. For Republicans a Republican households tend to be gone to be vacationing democratic councils not so much, but that they went with people who voted in the last four elections. They tend to be older and they had a pretty good snapshot of people who aligned in With the president's turn out in Georgia. This is a little bit problematic for the Republicans that the President Right now would be losing This also means that the six of the seven congressional district. Georgia would go to the Democrats. Lucy Macbeth the Democrat already has the six Karen handles trying to take it back of the poll has carried handle losing. It also has rich McCormick losing with rich corey there. He has a greater opportunity there, because so many people you just unknown. He's got an opportunity in the district, but it when you look at the trend lines for the polling. The polling shows that voters in the suburbs are deeply deeply angry with the president, and in fact in this poll that I saw from This Georgia based company. The voters do not really blame Brian Kill for the problems with the virus, and the virus urged, but they do blame the president and they blame the Republicans, generally, if look if again, this is a snapshot today. If the election were held today, not we're we're not. We're not of the election. That's November. I trust the pulse of the pollster knows very credible. I I'm not at liberty. Give you a bunch of details here. I can I can give you the snapshot of the poll, but there are some troubling signs in the polling for the president. And troubling signs for the Republicans here in Georgia The Republicans look to be wiped out in the suburbs here in this is happening in Georgia. It's happening elsewhere as well but you don't have to believe me and you don't even have to believe this from Bret Baier last night on Fox News. Brand New Fox polls in some key battleground states showing Joe Biden maintaining a lead on president trump the Democrat has a. A nine point edge in Florida, in our latest poll out right now, trump took the state by one point in two thousand sixteen over Hillary Clinton Biden leads by two in Georgia. A stadium which trumpy Clinton by five. The margin is also to for Biden in North Carolina, which trump won by nearly four points, two twenty sixteen, and Biden leads by one in Texas where the president won by nine almost four years ago. Yeah. You can say the Fox News poll is wrong, but. Listen to Tucker. Carlson, who, later on the line last night knowing the president was watching, not many people are saying out loud on the right, but the fact is that president trump could well lose this election. In fact, unless fundamental facts change soon, it could be tough for him to be reelected. The president does lose. That would mean that just a few months from now Joe Biden would become the president. The United States. Government would fall under the control of the radicals who controlled Joe Biden, and they will remake the country. Now we're fully aware that virtually nobody watching this show tonight wants to hear that, but it's true and key people around the president. Know that it's true. They've seen the numbers. They're concerned. At some point in the future, historians will marvel at the fact that the president lost ground during a pandemic, and then during mass riots both crises should have highlighted his strengths. They were naturals for him alone among national leaders, DONALD TRUMP warned Americans for decades about China and the perils of globalization everything about the Wuhan. Corona virus proved Donald Trump right. Yeah! And yet he's losing ground Let me give you a sense of why the presence was. You'RE GONNA I don't WanNa. Play the audio of this I i. WanNa read it to you. Sean Hannity had Donald Trump on last night for for a discussion. Here's the question Sean Hannity asked if you here in one hundred thirty one days from now at some point of the night or early morning, we can now project. Donald trump has been reelected the forty fifth president of the United States. Let's talk. What's at stake in the election as you compare and contrast, and what are your top priority items for a second term? This is the actual transcript of what the president actually said. Well one of the things that will be really great, you know the word experiences still good. I always say Talon is more important than experience. It's always I've always said that, but the word experiences a very important word is a very important meeting I. Never did this before. I never slipped over in Washington. I was in Washington I think seventeen times all of a sudden, the president of the United States. You know the story I'm writing down Pennsylvania Avenue with first lady and I said this is great, but I didn't know very many people in Washington. It wasn't my thing I. Wish from Manhattan from New York. Know everybody I have great people the administration the you make mistakes like. Idiot like Bolton. All he wanted to do is drop bombs on everybody. You don't have to drop bombs and everybody. You don't have to kill the people. What's the president's reelection message. And this is the problem now now again. Don't panic this June we're one hundred thirty days away from the election. He's got time, but he needs a message. A A president who says that is a president who doesn't collection messages. In his reelection message needs to be. What are you going to do for the people? It's not stop Joe Biden Joe Biden's not Hillary. Clinton this is the problem for for those you stable. Hillary Clinton was headed of Donald Trump to yes hillary. Clinton was headed Donald. Trump in the summer of two thousand sixteen. She was ahead Donald. Trump was not yet the nominee for the Republican Party. At this time he was clearly going to be the nominee. He had clinched the nomination he. He didn't have a post. convention ballots and she was ahead by twelve points and one poll seven points of the polling average Joe Biden is head by fifteen points and some polls. He's ahead by ten points in the polling average. The president needs to turn things around. The president needs to focus on a reelection message. The president needs to have a message. There is still time for him to do it, but the time runs out. The sands are club falling under the HOURGLASS. He's got to do something. If you! Don't WanNA. Believe Tucker. Carlson, if you don't WanNa believe me if you don't WanNa, believe the polling. Look all I can do lead you to the truth. I can't make you accept the truth. And the truth is right now. If the election were held today, the president would lose and lose Georgia. But thankfully the elections, not now. It's one hundred thirty days from now. He's got tying to change things around, but. Goodness he needs campaign shakeup to do it. News and in-depth analysis from Eric Erickson live five days a week and always online at the resurgent Dot Com. It is Eric here accent here the full number well, you know so I give you the full number. Well I mean I can give you the full number. You just can't call in My my call screener is taking time off his He well. I I don't have a backup call screener at the moment and I. Don't really need to sell like we telephone calls here anyway. Every time I talk about people, not calling the show, and and is anybody listening people come up through the grocery stores now. We just WANNA listen. So. You can listen to me today. my call screener is his wife. They had a little baby yesterday, so he's not here. Which is fine so I'm just gonNA. Call. It closed the call screen program. I'm not expecting anyone to call in for interviews today, either so now we can move on to other stuff now. I do I want to actually say one thing and I wanNA spend a little more time here just so i. if nothing else, you're more informed than the rest of your neighbors on this I realized there's always a lot of bellyaching the Polish always wrong i. Gone through an election cycle. Where voters have believe the polling was right even after the election has borne out, the polling was right and twenty sixteen actually did do damage to the psyche of people who cling to the idea. That the polling wrong because they saw that Hillary Clinton was projected to win and she lost. But she actually lost because the electoral college, not because of the popular vote and there are ways to figure out the divide. For example if a race was is within four points. It really is a complete. Toss up the odds are with person, the lead in the polling, but it's a complete tossup and always relying pulling average. Never please never ever ever relied on individual poll. The only reason I'm talking about this poll in Georgia is because I do trust the people who gave it to be They are a major corporation who spend a lot of my. My spend a lot of money on this poll for sure given how it was conducted, and those tend to be very good quality poles doesn't mean it's right, but it doesn't mean it's a snapshot and something that you do need to be mindful of as we move forward, and there's very interesting data in. They're one of the biggest pieces of data in there. Is that people panicked? People are really really freaked out about the virus and the reopening their freaked out about the surges in Texas and Florida South Carolina Arizona California California Z. to seventy percent increase. In Georgia we've had seventeen. Hundred new cases reported A. Fifteen, hundred new cases reported three days in a row, but now there's somewhat misleading because some of those tests were from days ago, and they'll be resorted back into those days, but still we're over one thousand cases for multiple consecutive days the highest we've had clearly spiking in Georgia. Not just in Metro areas, but in in rural areas parts of the state it is younger people now. Getting to the hospital infrastructure is not taxed. If it shifts to older people, those hospital infrastructure we'll be taxed. States are stopping the reopening. California is heating pause. Pause and may go back into shelter. In place, things are not going well right now and the president. If he exercise, some leadership could probably turn this thing around, in fact, one of the most remarkable parts of this data and pull in in the Georgia polls is that voters still think president trump would do a better job with an economic rebound handling the economy than Joe Biden. The problem is people think we're not going to get to the economic rebound because the president's doing a bad job with virus now, what could the present with the virus? That the state level. It's notable that the voters in this poll are not blaming Brian Kip for the the surge in Georgia. They're blaming Donald trump. And if I had to guess it's not in the polling, but if I had to guess it's that they don't think the president is taking the the virus seriously that he needs to exercise leadership now that is in the pool. They don't think the president's being a leader. Would it comes to the virus? What can the president do when it comes to that? Well one thing he can do is stop downplaying the the administration's been downplayed a lot, and consequently a lot of the president's core supporters are downplayed in a lot. Look at the fight over masks. How it's become a liberty issue as opposed to a safety issue. look at the president, a reducing funding for community testing of the virus that is actually getting him pushback from Republicans, there are things the president could do the things that the GOP could do. There are things that could be done to resolve the situation and the president has time but you can't stick your head in the sand and say Oh, my goodness, no, no, no There is time in the big takeaway from this polling and I. I want to spend a little bit of time on this when we come back, voters are really angry right now. Suburban voters in particular really really angry, and there's a path forward in that anger for the president, and actually because you know what voters think. The president is making the protests and riots worse, but they're really angry. At the Democrats for going against the police, suburban voters like the police, and they blame the Democrats for undermining the police. Well after today the legislature goes home. You can let your kids in wallet out of the closet once the legislature goes home, but all sorts of hanky-panky today we will do our best to keep our eye on it and help you be vigilant against them. man it. Look Look, let me tell you so if you're just tuning in it is Eric. Erickson here and I have seen some polling done by a major National Corporation headquartered in Georgia the CEO of the corporation actually. subscribes to this daily newsletter sympathetic to the President Supports Republicans, and if nothing else wanted me to show it, so I could kind of raise a red flag that it's not just the public polling that is seeing this trend line it's it's the good private polling. Corporations rely on as well and what of the issues is frankly. If things don't turn around, the Republicans may lose the Georgia legislature I. Don't actually think that's likely. But they're going to reduce their numbers. It's they're going to have a very slim majority. If the GOP in Georgia does not turn things around, and if the president doesn't turn things around, and the reason is because the voter anger and I want to spend a little bit on on voter anger, because a lot of you are angry and your anger. Republican anger is divided interestingly enough while generally aligned with the president. There are a lot of Republicans who wish the president would do more to shut down the protest. and I hear that across the board. There's really angry people I mean this. This gets back to the Tucker Carlson clip. I played from earlier that Tucker Carlson is is furious with the president. And wishes, the president would engage more against the protests and stop people from tearing down the. Tearing down. Statues in the like and they're frustrated. The president's not at the same time. you're the overwhelmingly. Voters are really frustrated on the virus. Women are more fearful about the virus. Interestingly, enough women tend to be more supportive of the police right now than men. Witches is interesting and I've seen this another polls as well but they're. They're still there sympathetic to the idea that the black lives matter, and they're also really sympathetic to most police officers do a good job and are getting a bad name in overwhelmingly across the board, a plurality of Republicans a majority of Independence Majority of Democrats think that the president of the United States is making the situation worse, and that gets to the whole thing. What did I tell you guys? Weeks actually wrote about this. The president needs to tell people. He's GonNa. Keep them get them back to work and keep them safe. He's going to keep him safe and get them back to work. And what you get in this polling is that voters don't feel safe right now. And they actually think that the president is contributing to their feeling of insecurity. Economic Insecurity Health and security, crime and security. People think that the president is making the situation worse. Now. One thing you got to be mindful of so when I was a political. Campaign manager and then campaign consultant. What I would always tell people is knowing. You're in the minority when you think you're right. It is a basic common sense rule of campaigns that oftentimes candidates will think they are right. and. They need to know that even though the right on a position that they're in the minority and that they can advocate for the position, but they have to do it differently than if they were in the majority. And there are a lot of Republicans right now. Who are in the minority? They think the president is right. They think things are on the right course, and they think the president is a shoo in for re election, and they need to be mindful of the fact that just because dim, and their circle of friends think this that's not necessarily broadly reflective a increasingly. It's hard. Hard to know broadly where people stand, because we become so insular isolated if we in all of our friends thing when thing we assume that the rest of the world thinks as well, that's why twitter so bad. social media in general tends to be bad because social media really isn't reflective of society. You know twitter and you see everything. Everybody's screaming about something and. And you think it's you think it's right. Take for example the statement black lives matter versus all lives matter. If you look at twitter, if you look at social media in general, if you look at even the media coverage, you would think that people are really upset. If you say all lives matter, but actually there's a lot of polling out there. That shows majority of black. Black and white Americans are okay with the statement. All lives matter it is the media elite who don't like it. It is the progressive activists who don't like it, and they are loud voices on social media. They yell and belly ache about it, and as a result, people have a weird shift in their thinking on the issue. You gotta be careful. You gotta remember. You've got to understand you when you're in the minority and you think you're the majority. You're in a very dangerous position. You've gotta understand even when you think you're right that sometimes you're in the minority, so for example. I am absolutely convinced that I am right. That we need more free market regulation. We need more free market deregulation this country. We need to get rid of all government healthcare programs. We should get rid of Medicare. We should get rid of Medicaid. We should allow the free market. Take care of these problems. I think I'm right this I think he would lower healthcare costs. I think it would approve access I think it would approve. It would absolutely improve costs. It would approve healthcare outcomes in this country for all people. You have more equitable results. Yes, she would even among the poor if you got rid of Medicare Medicaid. And let the private sector step up and give them incentives to help. But I'm in the minority I know him in the minority and I. Know that when I engage on this issue that I have to be careful how I engage this issue, because a majority of Americans suddenly disagree with me, they vehemently disagree with me? So the way you talk about, it is different you get on social media, and you see something that is trending and seems to be the majority on social media. A this is right I mean, take for example. The the failed campaigns of Comma Harrison Elizabeth Warren Comma. Harrison Elizabeth Warren We're addicted to what the twitter Zeitgeist was. If Progressives on twitter believe they needed a direction, they would. In the moment those progressive shifted they would shift, and it was a rudderless campaign led by a social media mob. The president to a degree is being led by that with his campaign. He sees the loud opinion nighttime host on, Fox News egging him on in particular directions, and he goes in those directions, he sees conservative activists on twitter, bellyaching and going particular, and he goes that direction. The problem is that these are the hardcore people who aren't going to band in the president at all and independent voters, the president needs to who don't necessarily agree with those people and the president has been led by those people in their direction, and they're already within. The president has got to expand his base now. He doesn't even need to expand the space per se. He needs to attract other people to vote for him in the general election and he's not doing that right now. You GotTa know when you're in the minority, even when you think you're right. And they're having a real hard time doing that right now. In the result is, voters are really angry. They think the president is making matters worse. Voters are really nervous about the riots. They don't feel safe in their communities. actually you know I shouldn't say that. That's a misstatement of the data. voters feel safe in their communities and think that they're community is doesn't have a problem. It's all the other communities they may go to where they think there's a problem. Overwhelmingly, though voters worried about the virus and the daily headlines about the virus. Are Bothering them now. Most people I suspect think that is the protesters who are spreading the virus. In fact, the data shows overwhelmingly the people getting the virus right now, our young people and so a lot of people have concluded Oh. If it's young people in the protesters, young people, it must be those protesters who got the virus spreading it in their communities, and the actual data doesn't bear that out the actual data there are. There's evidence that some spread has happened with the protestors, but you were. The biggest spread has happened Memorial Day partners. Summer holiday parties going to the beach, and and they're not getting it on the beach. By by the way, it is an overreaction to say that people are going to the beach and getting the virus. They're not getting it at the beach. They're leaving the beach and go into the bars in heaven, a bunch of drinks with their friends in closed quarters, and they're getting it. They're. One of the stories I saw in South Carolina was about College Kids Smoking Marijuana? They were sharing a Bonggo a water pipe as they would call it a bong and one of them fairly infected, pre-symptomatic, not eastern dometic PRECIP, dramatic and spread the virus among all the people who are who are smoking weed with him. And those people carried it home, and then began spreading it at many of the May symptomatic. Some of them not. And then now there's this bad misinformation out there that as symptomatic people can't spread it. Actually a symptomatic people can't spread the virus. They just don't spread it at rates like pre-symptomatic people know what's the difference well? A pre-symptomatic person is a person who has the virus. We'll get symptoms, but does not yet have the symptoms. That person is the most contagious. Contagious person among the clusters of people, even a person who has full blown Cova nineteen symptoms does not appear to be contagious as the person who has the virus will get the symptoms, but hasn't gotten the symptoms yet and asymmetric person is someone who will never get the symptoms of the virus, but is contagious just not as contagious as a pre-symptomatic person. And people are really concerned about all this. It's going up. There's been so much misinformation and misunderstanding and a rush to cover studies that turned out to be bogus. People just don't know what to believe. It's almost as if the entire country is being spun up over a lack of information and an over processing of bad information. and. Something's gotTa give and right now voters are blaming the president and they're blaming Republicans who seem to be too tied at the hip with him. I gotTA. Give this to Doug Collins here in Georgia polling I've seen Collins is actually doing very well. If if there was a runoff in the race for the US Senate in that Special Election Collins and Leffler would get into the runoff in Collins would win. Voters in Georgia overwhelmingly are giving grace to Republicans in general, but that's not necessarily the case in other states in some of the battleground states the voters are actually blaming Republicans who are tied to President Trump, so if you're Republican, who has staked out your own independent path? You're not being joined at the hip with President Trump, but if you haven't staked out your own individual path, you are being. Being tied to President Trump and that is a bad thing for you and they've got to change course. They've got one hundred thirty days to do it, but they need to understand at the beginning that voters are angry. Voters are angry. Voters in Georgia are angry voters in the suburbs or angry voters in the battleground states are angry and they've got to figure out a way to defuse the anger. It starts by exercising some leadership on the virus now. I've got to tell you. I hear from a lot of people well. What can the president do? Well? What? What should the president differently? If I were advising the president of the United States on what do. I would tell him to disappear. Seriously! He's the president of the United States just just go away. Let the administration, speak for you. The doctor. Bouchier doctor Fauci Dr Burks the vice president. Let let them be the faces of this. Don't muddy the water. DOLTS mixed message. Don't send a signal. The problem for the President Right now is the president feels compelled to be front and center at all times. The president feels compelled to take all the tension. The president feels compelled to set the message. And when he was a candidate, it made sense, but now he's the president, and he is surrounded himself with very good people. And while the buck stops with the president right now, the voters blamed the president. The easiest way for the president to stop being blamed is for the president to stop being tied to the virus failures, and these way for the president, stopping tied to the virus failures east to get out of his own way. Stop questioning whether master good stop having big rallies. Stop undermining your messages from Dr Burks Dr, vouching the vice president. There's a path forward for the president here to win. Again I I think it is very telling that voters consistently pulls including the one I've seen show that the president actually gets credit for handling the economy, and that voters would prefer for president trump to handle economic rebound then the vice president, but voters very angry because they don't think they're actually going to get to an economic rebound because of the president's handling of the virus now the president to some degree if you want to be really. Really Fair about it. The president some degrees hamstring by the states because the police power resides with the state and the healthcare power resides with the state's not with the president, but the states would like for Washington to Bruce a unified comprehensive plan to reopen the states, and to provide some better guidelines, and right now with the administration has done, has provided very general guidelines in his left at very nebulous for the states to follow in a lot of the states are blaming the president for this. The media amplifies it because they don't like the president. So, if the president just Kinda got out of the way right now got off twitter. Faded into the background. All of you who are mad at me right now. We're talking about this. All of you who are going to vote for the president and think he's GonNa win. You would still go vote for the president. But you're not in the majority right now. You're in the minority. You GotTa know when you're in the minority. This isn't two sixteen and we can talk about why. This is a twenty sixteen when we come back. What you do need to know is that the president's already got your vote. He's already got it your defensive for him. You loving. You're going to vote for him. But you. Yourself know people who aren't sold on the president. They're thinking of voting for him, but they're starting to wave running. and He needs to lock those people in. And to walk those people in you're already locked into lock. Those people in the president's got to change a few things about how he's running for reelection. It is completely possible for the president to do this. He's got one hundred thirty days to do this. There is a path forward for him to do this. The Path for for him to do this is to get out of the way. Let the professionals handle the virus. Allow to be calm developed about the virus, and then focus on the economic reopening, but don't focus on economic reopening to the expense of the virus and also. Make. Sure people understand you've got the backs of the police. People want to feel safe right now. If feel safe, they're gonNA. Credit the president for that right now. They feel the entire. World is in chaos, and they're blaming the president for that. There's a path forward for president trump here. He just needs to take it and stick to it. One of on the show Paul, Eric now at eight, seven, seven, nine, thousand, seven Eric, that's eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. Hello there. It is your accent here. Remember the state a house, of representatives although it appears increasingly, they're going to hold up the casino legislation. That would gut the hope scholarship The he's. They may trotted out. You gotta be real. Careful here with them. so be sure to text the word action to five five four in make sure your state representative knows to kill the legislation. You know I I got I got credit. You guys on this. I've heard from a lot of you're calling the State House and the State House 'cause. No, we're not killing. This will not kill those scholarship, and you are turning it on them using their own words against them that they said they needed this to fund hope, and now they're not giving the money to help. Good for you guys good for you for turn it on. Hold their feet to the fire on this. Hold their feet to the fire. Now one thing here. I WANNA mention real quick. There's a story up man. in Florida all ten members of the SWAT team at the Hallandale. Beach Police Department of resigned on Friday in response to their police chief, kneeling alongside protesters in a memo, addressed to police chief saw nuke went on as the Swat team members cited number of grievances they had against their leader. The officers complained team was minimally equipped undertrained in restrained by the politicization of our tactics. The risk of carrying out our duties in this capacity is no longer acceptable us in our families, the anguish and stress of knowing that what we may be lawfully called upon to do in today's political climate combined with the team's current situation and several recent local events leaves us in a position that is untenable. They have quit. The Swat. They have not resigned the police department, but they've. They've basically disbanded the SWAT team. And they are A. Pretty diverse group of people looking at the the photo they're and they're gone now. They're done they're taking a stand and a and more. This is happening around the country. You're seeing more and more that this is happening. the police are starting to react to this and I'm telling Neha. Support for law enforcement is a winning issue in the suburbs with women. Women in the suburbs are concerned about mostly white women, but mostly white women dominate the suburbs, and they are concerned about the safety of their family and their kids. and. They want support for the police. So easy, you gotta you gotTa. You gotTA stand for the police there. You do have to stand for the police. By the way. I want to recommend something to you. You should follow me on Instagram if you don't E. W Erickson W.. E. R. I C. K. S. O. N.. You should follow me on instagram. Why 'cause I plan on Barbecue. In this weekend I got my Mrs Griffin's barbecue sauce. If you'll know Miss Griffin's barbecue sauce sponsors the program, they are the oldest continuously manufactured barbecue sauce commercially available in this country, and they are manufactured right here. I should say manufacturer cooked up right here in Georgia in middle Georgia Knowle's here in making Missa. Griffin's barbecue sauce, you can go to their website. Mrs, Griffin Mrs Griffin's DOT COM. 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Now when we come back, let's shift gears. I got other stuff. I want to say, but I don't want to bore you with it. We. Do need to bring you up to speed on what's going on in the Georgia legislature because the show predominantly is in Georgia, I apologize to those of you who are listening outside of Georgia virtually every station save one I. It really focuses on Georgia and I wanna to talk about what's happening in the Georgia legislature they've got. Today is their last day. They end at midnight. That's when the The when the clock strikes midnight, the legislature comes to an end, and they're going to try to rush through stuff as best they can. They are going to try to rush through the casino legislation. As best they can year GONNA need to take action. You're going to need to fire them up. You're going to need to reach out to him. You're gonNA need to tell him to stop the nonsense. But. They've done some good stuff you know. One of the one of the side effects of the virus is the legislature has decided that they will allow home delivery of beer wine liquor. And I am totally supportive of. It E-. Local liquor stores will be allowed to deliver liquor to your home. Believe it or not beer and wine as well when you use INSTA- card or grocery, shopping services, and you want order order beer for the grocery store. They'll be able to live out. They! They weren't allowed to do that. That's one of the things they will do. There is a lot that's happening in the legislature today including budget cuts, but there's good news about the budget cuts. There will be no furloughs for state employees in the state of Georgia including education. That's actually a very good news of the governor agreed to release the money from the emergency. Emergency Fund and by releasing money from the Emergency Fund he was able to shore up some of the budget without having to raise taxes or make even more draconian gun than they're making I. Want to bring you up to speed on all of that. When we come back right here on the air here and there was a confrontation that got very heated. facebook post and comment from commenter. Greens well commits Eric Erikson. How are you? Are you ready for the weekend? Because it's Friday I i. don't know those who shelter in place all the days run together these days I. Just wanted to make sure you understand today is Friday you don't have to go to work tomorrow. Well, some of you might have to work tomorrow, but. It is Friday. So breathe easy. We are what. A week and a day from the fourth of July go get your fireworks, so you know the biggest. Bob Wants now they WANNA get rid of the Star spangled banner. That's right. The they want an end to the star spangled banner. They want some new song. Some idiot actually suggested imagine the Vapid John Lennon Commie song which is ridiculous but that's that's just that's. That's what they're saying. meanwhile I got play the sound bite for you. I WanNa talk about the Georgia legislature but I gotta play this because it's just too good not to play. This is the senator from Louisiana. John, Kennedy was on Fox News last night. Always good for sound bite. We had people on Capitol Hill. I'm sad to say. Thank cops are guilty until proven innocent and I'm going to say what I said the other day. If you eight cops, just because you're cops next time you get in trouble. Call Cranky. I'd I'd I don't think well me. Put it another way. I think we got more honest. Cops and we got honest politicians. And I think it's all just sad. You know when when a when a Muslim are Giada blows up a school. Skilled children were told. Don't judge all Muslims by the accident. Few and boy do I agree with that. So how come? The same rule doesn't apply to eight hundred thousand cops in this country. If it wasn't for double standards around here, we wouldn't have any standards. Each right. This is something that works to the Republicans advantage. There are a lot. There's a lot of support for police officers in you know one of the reasons. There's a lot of support for police officers in the country. It is because there are so many police officers living in so many neighborhoods around the country that your next door. Neighbor may be a police officer. You know a police officer you church with police officer. You're engaged in the community with police officer in. Them. And so this, this broad brush that is being paid negatively of police officers is is not going to help the Democrats anywhere. In fact here in Georgia WSB WSB T. V. has the story in Atlanta a dramatic slowdown in policing in the city of Atlanta has continued for a second week or Richard Belcher a retired senior police official warns that Atlanta's poorest neighborhoods will suffer. Police are not as active Channel Two investigative reporter. Richard Belcher Cam. Cam and citywide numbers for the week before the Rashard Brooke Shooting and the week after the week when two officers were charged with Brooks, death and scores of officers called in sick, those numbers show the Atlanta Police Department made a total of fifty traffic stops last week. A one time deputy chief cold at a perfect storm that includes police frustration with City Hall Brooks's death, and the violent aftermath captured the attention of the whole country. But the drop and police activity started six days before the lethal confrontation. The trigger for the slowdown may have been when six officers taste and arrested two young people at a downtown protest. The officers were fired by the city and charged by the district attorney. A police union official says officers are worried. It's hesitation to be the next officer that's put in jail. said Vince champion with the International Brotherhood of police officers for the two weeks in question Atlanta police officers made nearly one thousand one hundred arrests citywide last year this year three hundred. Hundred ten arrests were made during this period down seventy two percent arrests for narcotics were down. Ninety five percent police did not make a single narcotics arrest last week. Traffic stops her down eighty eight weeks for the two week period year to year. Police may just fifty stops all of last week. It's just the perfect storm for impacting police services at Lou Arkan Jelly, who spent twenty nine years with the Atlanta, department four as a deputy police chief. Basics have been discarded. He said because of the special interest in special needs of these riots. Are Arcangeli are Angeli alerted belcher to the extraordinary shapes this week. To City Hall Committee Meeting. Councilwoman or councilmen ask the police chief. Why can't we get that body out of the street? I was just notified that there is there is a young man that has been shot and killed at three seventy seven Westchester Boulevard if you could get a unit out there, he's been on the ground. There's no police to come to. He's already dead. Poorer neighborhoods are the hardest hit according to Arken Jelly. You're seriously impacted, and you don't have your good beat. Cops in contact with your law abiding citizens, and that's what we've lost. In the last three weeks compared to last year, shooting arrests tripled last week, and the number of shooting victims almost quadrupled. Serious domestic crimes have risen by fifty seven percent. The mayor's office in Atlanta has declined to react to the story. This is not a good issue for the Democrats. If the police stay home because they're being blamed. If there is a crimewave. This is GonNa hurt the Democrats. This gets to senator. Tim Scott's point the Democrat run cities. Could have implemented police reform if they wanted to. And they chose not to. Instead now they're treating the police's bad guys in Detroit Atlanta Minneapolis. Los Angeles Philadelphia. All these cities could have banjo. Kohl's themselves. They increase the police reporting. Themselves could have more data information themselves. They have deescalation training themselves. They can have duty intervened. Minneapolis as well. All these communities have been run by Democrats for decades. Decades. What is our I? For the poorest people in this nation and I don't blame them. I blame an elite political class with billions of dollars to do whatever they want to do and look at the results for the poorest most vulnerable people. In our nation. I'm willing to compete for their vote. Are you. And, the president, would you consider going into Baltimore Detroit Chicago La places like that and taking your message right to the people of Color and we have done that, and we are doing that and somebody's going to have to because the Democrats. It doesn't work every one of the cities you mentioned every city that we're talking about this has problems is run by radical left Democrats. They're controlling via. Radical Left Democrats. You're going to start hearing that a lot. From Republicans cities descend into chaos if the police show up. And it doesn't help the Democrats to attack the police for not showing up, because the police feel attacked and suburban women love police because police keep them safe in the suburbs S- going to be an issue is happening right now? In the Metro Atlanta area where police are not showing thankfully, those of you who are in the Metro Atlanta area. Your law enforcement is in cities tend to still work well together. You're not having these problems. It is that the major urban areas in the country that are having problems and it scares the the suburbs when they see the urban ears, because they know, crime can spill over into the suburbs, and that's not an issue that works for the Democrats. The question is whether or not the president can can stay out of the way in in continue to let this focus now. I need to bring you up to speed on. What's happening in Georgia because we? We are starting to have a bit of a situation. The. Seven Day moving average in Georgia the fourteen day moving average is starting to spook people in what's happening in Georgia. Let me give you numbers starting on June fifteenth a thousand four hundred sixty one cases, June sixteenth thousand four hundred fifteen cases. June seventeenth a thousand three hundred eighty six cases June eighteenth, thousand three hundred thirteen cases. June nineteen, thousand, one, thousand, one hundred two cases. We're starting to see a big uptick in the cases and the days a- let's just take June fifteenth. Remember if you've listened this Burger for awhile. You know on April Twentieth I was pointing out that that number kept going down the number for April. Twentieth had surged like something like nine hundred eighty cases, and it went down down down down and. And wound up being like round eight hundred cases, or so was nine hundred fifty cases ultimately he wanted to be, but it fell some, and then you got to what was it may may eleventh may eleventh. You had about one thousand cases and ultimately win. They redistributed them in and got everything focus. It was eight, hundred sixty one. The problem is take June. Fifteenth. June fifteenth was thousand three hundred cases when I started this program on Monday. And it went up to a thousand three hundred eleven on Tuesday and went up to a thousand, three, hundred, sixty on Wednesday and went up. Two thousand, three, hundred ninety yesterday today were at a thousand, four, hundred, sixty one. That number's going up. That's not good for Georgia. Texas is shutting down bars. The Texas has started why these Texas has. Some real problems that some other states don't have. The states it is young people who are going out and hanging out now the upside is that they're not overwhelming hospitals because young people tend to get the virus and do okay. It's when they start spreading to their parents and grandparents that you have problems. We haven't gotten to that point thankfully, thus far, but we got some problems coming. And as a result of this we're going to need to. Really be careful. Moving forward it could be economically disruptive again here in the state, and voters are blaming the governor for this. They're not relieving. They're not really blame there. If blame anybody, they're blaming the president or not blaming state officials. The just kind of recognizing this is happening everywhere. It's not just here in Georgia's happening everywhere. this the first wave never really went away, but we did flatten the curve, but now the curve is starting to spike upwards, but it's not an hospital resources. If we start overwhelming hospital capacity again there's GonNa be some some pretty devastating political fallout I think for the GOP, but right now they're not The the numbers are stabilized in parts of the state is starting to recede. Still in parts of the state is starting to go down, but in urban areas, even some rural areas in the state. You're seeing upticks in immigrant communities. Your seat up takes a young young people. You're seeing upticks among travelers. There's a way to go in in fighting the virus and we're GONNA have to figure out a path forward through it, which the Governor I think in Georgia has done better than most I. Don't think Brian Gets enough credit. For charting a path forward when you see what's happening in these rebounds, and by the way I do think is interesting. The national media is focused on Texas and Florida. California has a seventy percent spike in the virus over the last two days. They're not focusing on. It is not democratic states where the media's casting attention. It's always to Republican states which I think is actually a very telling sign that the media continues to try to weaponize the virus for partisan gain, and that of course causes a lot of people to respond and say well. It's just political. I'm going to ignore it in the problem is you can't really because it? It is a real thing, but yeah. The media is doing a very bad job of making sure people realize this isn't a Republican Democrat issue. It's a national issue and California which would into a major lockdown wreck their shut their economy down completely is now seen huge rebound, and that's GonNa Bite California, but you never know what the way the presses fixated on Republican governors. Eric Erickson weights through the fake news to give you the real news, if honest news and conservative views. Well what I heard this story I yesterday it appeared there had been a physical physical blows, but it didn't really turn out that way to Greg Blue Stein at the Atlanta Journal Constitution. To Georgia lawmakers were involved in a tense confrontation at the state capital Thursday over a social media post, featuring a medium of a noose. In the final hours of the legislative session. Georgia patrol officers in the building were summoned to the fourth floor to diffuse the confrontation between Erica Thomas and David Clark's Bo state representatives. It was triggered by a facebook post by Clark that said he was in shock over remarks on social media by another democratic lawmaker, someone responded to Clark's post with a meam depicting the garage pool rope formed as a noose that was found in bubble Wallace's garage. This weekend Thomas said she in another colleague demanded Clark delete the comment after they saw it and that she was upset when he told her he'd look into it. Rather than committing to a racing the remark, it didn't get physical. There was nothing like that I was upset. He refused to do it. Take it down. It's just not OK him off. I couldn't believe it. It's too much for us to be dealing with here. Clark later deleted the mean which was posted by one of his facebook followers, the swatting Republican statement. His initial line remarks were reaction to a terrible post by another lawmaker park cannon. That he felt compared the police to the KKK. I express my disapproval of the posts online and representative Thomas approached me while visibly angry. She came at me in a very aggressive manner making me think she wanted to hit me. Another House member got underway and the situation de escalated. Clark's post condemned cannon Democrat from Atlanta for using the Hashtag clan at the capitol. Below a picture of the Georgia state. Patrol that was stationed outside the house, Chamber. Canon's post was critical of a measure that increased criminal penalties for anyone convicted of committing a crime against a police officer. Other first responder wrote it shortly after returning from the funeral Rishaad Brooks, who shot to death by police officer cannon declined to comment several witnesses, said the confrontation between the two lawmakers was tints, but not threatening. They wanted him to understand a noose on your facebook. Page is never okay the news that was door pool. I, okay, let's break the situation down. You have a common tour who decided to enter into the comments on David corks page. And put up the picture of the door pool from the NASCAR garage that people said look like a news and you know. Let's just admit it looked like it was a door pull. It was shaped. Several people told me it was actually surgeons not but it was shaped as a door pull. It was shaped. Look like a new. Let's just give it to him. It looked like a news. It's been there for years. It was just shape that way. She could get your fingers in an open close. The garage was it meant to be a news. But we're intense times but what gives what gives a state representative, the right to go to another state, representative and demand. They take something off their facebook page. Did David Clarke go to part Canon and demand that park into delete API parking and ultimately did but but David did not get an interface demand. She delete her post. About the police that the capital, referring to the police as the clan at the capitol. Now, there's another issue here. Facebook, commenters are the worst. The number of people you know I I've I actually moved. A lot of my I've got a public facebook page. FACEBOOK DOT com slash sheathed. Eric is is my public. FACEBOOK page and I've got my personal one as well. which I am more select a lot of you guys I? Don't mean to fidget a lot of you. Send me friend requests, and I don't know you and I don't know the people that you know and and there's some people that I. Don't know him, but I'm friends with mutual friends on facebook and I'm happy to connect with them. But that's my personal facebook page. It and it's completely different in my mind. I I'm I'm a little more hesitant. These days to just accept facebook invites and and the main reason is because I genuinely am aggravated with the state of Dean by people on Social Media. There it. There are a lot of stupid people out there. Let's just acknowledge. There are a lot of stupid people. And this entire thing stems from facebook commenter who decided to stir the pot with a with a stupid comment by putting up that picture. And it incense member of the state legislature now that member of the state legislature should not feel compelled to or feel like they can demand. that a picture be taken down. Is An Eric Thomas Let's just say is is what are those explosive members? Of the state legislature who who flies into a fury at at the slightest provocation. and. It's a little bit ridiculous. that. She would think that she could come in demand that someone else. Take down without have even seen it. Would just come up to him in demand now part of this here. Let's be honest here. Eric Thomas doesn't really have credibility. and the reason could Thomas doesn't have credibility is Eric Thomas? Is the state representative who claim that The man made all sorts of comments to her at the grocery store, telling her to go back to where she came from, and it turns out from the review of the evidence of the videos that she exaggerated the situation. So when you have state representative, who has exaggerated a situation like that, come up to you in make demands to you. And demand that you delete something from your own facebook page. You probably haven't seen because you've been busy. Little bit nuts. Her credibility is ruined in. You know maybe maybe if she had come up to him civilly. And said I don't know if you know this, but someone put this up and. It just it I think it's bad for him and it's more. Stir the pot just what Park Hanan did. David probably would have been reasonable here. I haven't taken I haven't talked to David. But for a state representative who has a history of exaggerating things? To come up and and and say someone put a noose on your page, a nuisance, never good. Well of course he's GonNa say I'll look into it and see he's not to. He's not going to bend to the crazy lady who got all who were basically was was was shopping in the public's in in the ten items or less checkout lane, and and had a pile of stuff when the guy confronted her, she exaggerated what the guy had actually said and screamed racism about it. Of course, he's not going to do that and he shouldn't do that. He he played it well, and she's got some credibility issues. She needs to work on if she wants him to take her seriously, but no, no, she wants the problem to be about him instead. I'm sorry, my buddy Jo cutting him I I see. Oh my gosh. This is a screen shot of comments. What is? Hey Hang on hang on I got to. This we we just I, you're just gonNA have to wait. Yes okay. It is Columbia South Carolina W.. I S. T.. V. Is the website. Is, the new station and Someone put this up. This is a comment to a issue about the virus surgeon South Carolina. If you are so worried about this virus. Why don't you just stay home or where your mask? I wore one mandatory recently and now have an infection in my nose on my face. Where's the solution? To which someone else responds? My husband had to wear a mask on a business trip and now he has club. Gosh! This is my response. Do you mean be? Steed actually they sti. Jesus no, he got it from the mask. I'm done. We go home now. Oh my gosh. Okay I realized. Let me just say this is my buddy. Jo, it's screen shots and I I. Don't know whether it's too good to check. It's just too good to check. I don't Dunno, whoever did it if it's not if it's not real well played. But you know and I know it could totally. Oh Gosh, okay all right we. We we need. We need to focus on some local. Georgia news now Deutsche. Let's do the legislative update We got stuff. Cook it in the state legislature here in Georgia. the governor's GONNA sign the hate crimes legislation today by the way and we. We got some news here. The hate. Crimes legislation was adopted. There is a spending plan. twenty six billion dollar spending plan ten percent cuts. The legislature cut its pay. They're not going to furlough employees. They managed to to keep some education cuts from happening. The governor essentially took money out of Rainy Day Fund to make it happen and said that. he thinks economic forecast it. We're going to turn the corner quicker. The gambling lobbyist Haley Barbour. You all know Haley's probably one of the greatest Republican RNC Chairman of all time was the governor of Mississippi he's now a lobbyist for the gambling industry. He's very good lobbyist by the way Wiley Guy. We frequently disagree on things including this a to a degree but the. It's just it's interesting to me. He is be given access to Speaker Ralston's office in a way that a lot of people are just floats in and out according to multiple people who saw just going in and out, which is highly unusual, trying to steer and maneuver on the Casino legislation. They're desperate to get it out today. Now I'm told it's probably dead in the Senate. It may not get out of the rules committee in the house. We will see. They gotta have a two-thirds majority for passage. They think they have that in the House of Representatives. They think they have it. If it comes to a vote, a you all will, I will keep you posted if if they bring this thing for vote. In fact, let me see. What is the status right now? So the the legislation? If you're interested, is State Senate resolution eight forty one now I'm told the senators who are involved in this legislation John Kennedy Bill Cows Chuck Upset Ler Frank Jin William Lincoln and Jesse Stone. They are Livid that the Senate resolution would be disrespected. By being stripped out of a the so, what the Senate resolution was this Casino Resolution? It was a resolution that would allow people to sue the state if the state violates the law of the Constitution in Georgia under the constitution of the United States. That state has to agree to be sued. And in Georgia. The state has not agreed to be sued by its citizens. If the state violates their constitutional rights, and this would be constitutional Mitt. Saying you do have the right to sue. You're the state for violating your constitutional rights and. The, House of Representatives decided to strike out that language in the Casino language it has not yet come up for a vote in the in the house. It has been before the regulated Industries Committee. It is now in the rules committee, and they're trying to rush it to the floor. I don't need to go in Ad Nauseam as to how it will hurt the hope scholarship, but it will starve the hope scholarship funding the. The way it is structured, and that is is stopping some members of the house of finally realized that I'm not actually lying on this I. Actually am right on this, and they're kind of digging in their heels on voting for it, but the supporters think they've got the support. You probably need to tell your state representative to kill it I. Will Tell You any state representative that supports this resolution. We will be glad to name them. For, killing the hope scholarship, and you should tell them not to do it. You can text the word action to five, five, four, four four, and until them not to do it, but that's not the only issue pending There is an overall the election that is driving the Democrat super crazy. You Know Brad Rapids Burger. The secretary state sit out. Absentee ballots across the state are of the form. He sent to every Georgian the forum to allow you to apply for an absentee ballot, will it? Calmed local boards of election. And many of the local boards of election never got the absentee ballots processed. The result is that a lot of people never got valid. They had to show up on election day. It costs all sorts of more people had vote by provisional ballots, so Republicans in the legislature have drafted a proposal that would prohibit the secretary of state for doing that again. It would also not require that. Additional precincts be added and counties counties could add them, but they're not required to and holy moly great, googly Movli they have. It has driven Democrats in saying they're screaming suppression again. They're screaming voter suppression. The Republicans are trying to stop everybody from being suppressed. Or stop everybody from vote either suppressed. Everybody isn't actually true the Republicans just don't want to overwhelm local board's election. Allowable local boards of election complained that they already had a system in place for people to request absentee ballots, and it wasn't the the state legislature to go along with it. That's an. Arguable? I don't really care one way or the other. The one big thing that you need to know is that the Senate decided to cut every tax break in the state by ten percent. You know like for example, the Hollywood tax breaks and stuff. The Senate decided to cut everything by ten percent and the Dave Rushton has said dead on arrival in. In the house, he would hurt the economy. Ralston's actually probably right on this. There are some tax cuts that need some tax breaks that need to go away, but Ralston's actually probably right in tough economic time. You don't want to disrupt economic incentives to businesses the other issue that is very interesting. Here is house bill. What is it House Bill 167? House, Bill one sixty seven would limit legal liability for companies. Unless. They engage in gross negligence, willful and wanton misconduct or intentional infliction of harm relating to covid nineteen. Business groups this protection and it is wise to give them that as the state has allowed businesses to reopen. We don't want a situation where someone goes into a store. Isn't there mass not not washing their hands to gets the virus is well. It's not my fault. The business is at fault. I'm going to sue them. We don't want that. Democrats and trial lawyers are trying to kill it in the. They made some changes in the Senate. And they sit back to the house. And now the trial lawyers are working to kill it. The governor has taken some steps to limit legal liability for hospitals and medical personnel, but with the expiration of his emergency order those things expire. And, the the thinking of moving Republicans in the Senate is we need to protect these businesses because there are a lot of businesses that are hesitant reopened because they're afraid that someone could come in, be very responsible. Get or give the virus and the business get sued. And that's problematic. So, they WANNA protect us, but the trial or you don't. Travelers are actually in a dominant position. You don't think with Republicans that the Georgia Association of Trial Lawyers gala would would be a super powerful, but actually is a lot of the Republicans in the House. You need remember our people who were Democrats and became Republicans they're very sympathetic to trial lawyers, the speaker of the House of course as a trial lawyer, and so they have a lot of pool and business liability is one of those issues that the tribal irritate because they want to be able to sue the businesses, and so the try to amp up. Or try to block this stuff, but if you really want to get the George economy going again, you're going to need to give some businesses. Liability protection related to the virus that the House representatives doesn't want to do that suggests they are not really interested in economic activity in the state right now, which may or may not be a good thing. It's up for debate, but we can't really deny it that if you're going to tell a business that you are responsible of some reckless soul, comes into your business and spreads the virus You can get sued. Now the the travelers well, the the business can can drag the person who's reckless into the lawsuit. That's not going to happen. They don't have deep pockets. So, it's debatable whether or not this is actually GonNa get through the House representatives. Today we'll find out now. What would you do need to know is that today is the last day Sinai. They call it. And at midnight, the legislature adjourns. Anything that is not passed by midnight. Shuts down. The casino legislation which have. On because. Here's what I suspect is probably happening right now. They're probably doing a whip count see. They have two thirds in both houses. And they're gonNA WANNA. Make this the very last piece of legislation that goes through. And people are going to be exhausted. And they're not gonNA. Pay Attention. And they're going to try to rush it out. So you got to be vigilant on this one. And you've got to strike fear in the hearts of your state representative. That they better not. Push this legislation! We, will be glad to name and shame. Those members of the State House. Who decide that they want to pass this wreck legislation that would kill the hope scholarship. I WANNA play for you. I played this in the first hour. Now that more of you are here. I want to do this one more time. this is. State Representative Randy Knicks. went to the floor of the House representatives to talk about the legislation, and why he's opposed to the legislation, and why the house should kill it and the Hanky Panky of it getting their. Thank you Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker I rise opposition this morning to the gambling legislation that gap presented during morning orders yesterday. You know gambling special. Doesn't doesn't follow the same rules as everything else. It's kind of like a horror movie. You know the monsters coming, but you never know when. And also it's never dead Oh Monday night that thing got dug up brush the dirt off of it gave it new clothes in a strip. Senate resolution in sixteen hours got presented in fool in morning orders. Is that not special? And it gets bigger and better every year. You know what they have to put some shiny objects that we can grab onto. This one's got a lot box. A locked box. It's really cold. An emergency powers fund, but we'd never member discount lot bugs, and if I understand it, those benevolent gambling bosses are gonNA. Come down here from stuff that with money, so if anything, we can just grab it. pull it out. and. This one also has got another shiny got an opportunity fun. And that's kind of like a lot box except it's all education, so you can get in there if you need some of. It's also simple. All we gotta do just put this thing on the ballot. In those big old gambling boys are gonNA come, and girls are gonNA. Come down, and then they're gonNA. Take care of all. We gotta do is trust them. Just trust them to take care of us. Know serious question though. What are we willing to sell Georgia for? You know if if this is so great, their number of states that have legalized casino gambling which one we want to be like. Do we want to be like the One? That's the number one state in the country for business? Oh wait a minute. That's Georgia Seven years in a row. How about the ones that got AAA bond ratings? They managed to keep all the way through the great recession. I hadn't looked it up but I. don't think they're going to be many on that list. That's Georgia. How about the one that's got the Model Public Scholarship Fund in the that others come and try to model after. Oh wait a minute. That's that's the hope scholarship. That's Georgia. which some fatty! Please tell me again while we need to sell our state to the gambling bosses. I yield whale. Excellent Point from Randy Nix. That is Randy Nick. State reparative. Whitworth area of the state is Randy Knicks represent. I can never remember Randy Nix He is the chairman of the House Ethics Committee Troup County troop and Carol. Excellent good him and he he's. He's down in lagrange. Represents up into the Carroll County or L.. He's my my in-laws. State representative. Good for him and he's right. He's absolutely right you. You've got the you got the the gambling bosses. And the gambling bosses Haley Barbour coming into the state. Tried to tell them that. If if they give this gamble, they'll save the hope scholarship. If they bring in gambling revenue, they will save the hope scholarship except the way they've got a structured. Is None of the money can go to hope so they will deprive the hope of money because people will stop buying lottery tickets and they'll go to casino instead and that money go to hope. They thought they could pull the wool out for. They thought they could sneak it by you. But we call them and they tried to call us a liar. Not just me but you, too. We have exposed them and they are very upset about it and we don't care. Well, connected and well respected. It's Eric Erickson five every weekday. Hello there you know I wanna go back if if you didn't tune in last hour, there's some polling in Georgia that is problematic for the GOP, particularly for the president, the suburbs are just turning against Republicans here in Georgia and elsewhere one of the problems if the Republicans can't turn this around as redistricting I. Don't actually think the Republicans dern lose. Lose the legislature, but they're definitely going to lose some suburban seat seats that they shouldn't lose. They're going to lose. The Democrats GonNa make some gains but if trends hold now, keep in mind. Summer polling tends to be worse for Republicans and the reason summer pulling tends to be worse for Republicans I brought by common consensus. Is that Republicans are on vacation? I, it's harder to get all the all the Republicans on the phone. They've got to find a path forward though that they really do and they gotta turn a corner. Because white suburban women right now are down on the GOP, and if the Republicans lose legislatures, they're going to lose their ability redistricting if they lose their ability to re district they give the Democrats a decade long advantage. It's a problem. and it is it is you're starting to see this viral surge. And it's also in of itself going to be a problem so for example in Florida right now. They're eight thousand nine hundred forty two covid nineteen cases overnight. That's a record. Texas decided to close bars again. The Dow Jones is falling again. As. It looks like the viruses rebounding right now. In fact let's see. Where's the market right now? The market is down. The Dow is down five hundred ninety eight points. It is ten fifty five am on June twenty sixth The Dow's down five hundred ninety eight points Nasdaq down two hundred eleven, S and P Down Sixty Two New York stock exchange down to three or four things are not good. Apple is down. Nike is Del and T. is down. everything is down right now. So I would say that the trends. Are Not good. bought. But. I would say. That, there is still time for turnaround. There really actually is time for turnaround. and a lot of people freaked out more than they should be. their time of course. Time heals all wounds. Including what's going on out there right now? With the virus the GOP needs plan moving forward now when we come back, let let let me give you a preview of the next hour. Because remember What's her name? the the woman who wrote the sixteen nineteen project. In College. She wrote a letter to the editor. And Man. This is exceedingly racist really hates white people and also made some very bizarre claims. It has surfaced, and of course let's say you don't want to hold people accountable for what they wrote in college. That's what the left has been attacking people for what they tweeted when they were in middle school, and now suddenly they don't WanNa. Hold this woman responsible for what she wrote in college. I mean both sides. The left was willing to hold Brett. CAVENAUGH responsible for claims about highschool and Frat parties in college, but they don't want heard. Hold her accountable. The double standard is amazing. And these people are doing it. They want to revise American history I. I want to give a history lesson. In fact, I'm going to be repetitive if anything when we come back. I'm going to preview for you the my July third show because I want to start talking about this. How much we have forgotten the forgetting. Oh, good, gracious I sound like that woman in south. Carolina thought her husband got committee from from a mass come on Have we forgetting. Have we forgotten? The New York Times? Actually ran. A story ran an OP ED columnist. Who claimed that Abraham Lincoln and the Union did not free the slaves, no, the slaves they freed themselves. This what he wants you to believe. The amount of historic revisionism from the New York, times elsewhere right now is really appalling, and we need to double down on what the Revolution was. Actually about. What are they actually want? How did it lead to the civil war? Because if you listen to. The author of the sixteen, Nineteen project is perfectly fine with riots in the streets done in the name of her sixteen nineteen project She has a chip on her shoulder. And is trying with the blessing of the New York Times to rewrite American history in a way, that simply is not true, and they want to repackage it and sell it to schools, and they're all coming with this. There's a a war of schools you know that increasingly Democrats want a ban, homeschooling and shutdown private schools, or at least force them to be for profit to try to force people back into public schools where they can re indoctrinate your kids and we need to explore all of this when we come back. We'll be back. Hello and welcome, it is Eric Erickson here. 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Whatever the woman who did the sixteen nineteen project, which is just? It is a near fraudulent quasi fraudulent project of the New York Times where they essentially decided to. Rewrite American history and not just put it in its worst possible light, but to twist reality in such a way so that they could put it in its worst possible light. What I mean by that. Is that they misstated facts. So, for example, Nicole Hannah. Jones Nicole Hannah Jones. She misstated facts she for example ignored the fact that when the puritans came over to new, England they had started their systems of government in new. England entirely separate from Virginia and did so in ways that were in ways that were not revolved around slavery, slavery was not introduced until frankly they had changed their systems in New England and how they were functioning. This is a remember in New England. They came over. Over and everything was calm communal, and it wasn't working, and so they had to change it up, and the pilgrims actually introduced free enterprise into North America. Because the communal, the socialist system that they were using was failing. People were starving in so instead what they had to do. They had to give everybody in individual private tract of land that they could grow on and then their excess. They could sell to each other introducing commerce. And it was a free price system that that wound up saving the lives of people as opposed to the the starvation of their communal quasi communist system, and and she wants to all that she wants to claim for example that the the slavery came over the show. They call it the sixteen nineteen project, because that's when the first enslaved person from Africa sold by Africans to white colonists. Who brought them to? North America settled in North America and and the she wanted to revise the American revolution to claim that the American Revolution was about propping up slavery, because in Great Britain were moving away from slavery, and so the American colonists needed to revolt from Britain to preserve slavery, which flat out is revisionist history that is not true and yet she went up Pulitzer Prize for that lie and major historians across the country have come out and said none of this is true. But THE NEW YORK? Times double down on it well. It turns out that. Hannah Jones has written about a wrote a letter. And in her letter. She made some very outrageous claims. About. White people. And she clearly I mean I realize in this day and age where we're not supposed to call. Anyone other than white people racist, but this is. This is a racist screed. From this woman. And I'm actually kind of incensed that we have to treat her seriously at all. And I want to read for you what she wrote this again. She wrote this while she was in college. To Notre Dame's are notre. Dame's The Observer. The College newspaper there. She wrote it in Nineteen ninety-five. She wrote dear editor. I was shocked and disgusted when I read Fred Kelly's article in the November nine issue of the Observer, what responsible editor would print an article that applause and dignifies the white races rate plunder in genocide of a whole race of people. I find it hard to believe that any number of the white. Any member of the white race can have the audacity in hypocrisy to call any other culture savage. The white race is the biggest murderer rapist pillar and thief of the Modern World Europeans have colonized and destroyed the indigenous populations of every continent on the planet. They have committed genocide cultures that have never offended them in their grand and insatiable desire to control and dominate every non white culture. Christopher Columbus and those like him were no different than Hitler. The. Crimes they committed were unnecessarily cruel and can only be described as acts of the devil. Africans had been in the pay attention to this one to. Pigeon pay digit crazy town, come and crazy in Warrenton Oregon. Africans had been in the Americas long before Columbus or any, Europeans. The difference is that the Africans have the decency and respect for human life to learn from the native Americans and trade technology with them, the Pyramids of the Aztecs and the great stone heads of the olmecs are lasting monuments to the friendship of these two people. But as David Walker rooted his appeal of in Eighteen, twenty nine, the white men acted quote more like devils that accountable men whites have always been an unjust jealous UNMERCIFUL. Avaricious and bloodthirsty set of beans, always seeking after power and authority in quote. It was not enough for whites to come to the Americas and learn. They looked upon the native people as inferior and a people to be annihilated. Their lasting monument was the destruction and enslavement of two races of people unused Christianity as their excuse. The white race denied the native people their humanity. Not only did they rape and murder, the indigenous peoples of America, but they killed off many more by introducing diseases, which came from filth and uncleanliness to the native people. The white race used deceit and trickery, warfare and rape to steal the land for the people that lived here for thousands and thousands of years over and over again Weitz made peace treaties with the native Americans, telling them that if they move just this one last time, and gave up their land to the greedy sellers, just one last time and They would never have to move again. It was common knowledge that the White Man's word could not be trusted. Even today. The descendants of the savage people pump drugs and guns into the black community pack, black people into the squalor of segregated urban ghettos and continue to be bloodsuckers and our communities. Yes, it was Columbus that set the platforms for these racist American. Institutions Adele. Calling someone a savage is like the pot, calling the kettle black, but after everything that those barbaric devils did I, do not hate them or their descendants. I understand that because of some lacking, they needed to consistently proved their superiority. Kelly felt threatened by nurses exposure of the true Columbus. So. He felt it necessary to degrade their whole culture to maintain security Fred Kelly I pity you for feeling that just because you were awaiting Christian, you can celebrate the destruction of another human being enclosing the famous American who has beat down by. Members of the Christian Society said. Why can't we all just get along? Why because white? America's dream is colored America's nightmare to Kelly I say it does not feel good. To have your culture put under a microscope, does it? She was a sophomore when she wrote this in college. Claiming that the European settlers were white devils, and that America that Africans made it to North America, before the Europeans and they befriended and traded with the indigenous people and help them build the pyramids do me. This this is the woman who wrote the sixteen nineteen project. At The New York Times. This woman who believes white people are devils. And she wanted to reshape history to try to prove it, you know. The. The symbol work on the American revolution is by a professor named Bernard Belan. And he wrote the book. The ideological origins of the American Revolution in every single. One of you should read it. Because the nineteen fifties, and the nineteen sixties, the prevailing wisdom about the American revolution is that it was an upper middle class mercantilist revolution where the business owners decided they needed to protect their income from the British, and so they revolted to protect their business interests in their positions, and of course, that's what through college campuses in the same way that that This woman's a theories are now sweeping through these revisionist theories that actually. Actually? The American Revolution was about propping up slavery. none of is true. Belan actually had the audacity of going in and reading what the actual people in the revolutionary war thought, and I'm not talking reading Thomas to George Washington and Thomas, Jefferson because the criticism has always been the Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Paine George Washington Ben Franklin Alexander. Hamilton the like that they were part of this mercantilist revolution and they were engaged in propaganda. And that because they won, they were trying to revise history high why they did it to keep their power. And actually it turns out if you actually read the middle class, the writings of the middle class, the people of the Revolutionary War. You know there was no internet. There wasn't email. They wrote letters to each other. Husbands to wives wives, two daughters, daughters, two brothers, brothers two fathers. And they really did believe that they were living in an injustice idea most of them actually even Virginia then like slavery. Even Thomas Jefferson was writing. We're going to have to get rid of this institution. They just couldn't yet because they need to get rid of the British. I kept kicking. The can down the road. And what they believed is that they were the heirs of the glorious revolution. See the Glorious Revolution Happened to the lifetime of their grandfather's grandfather said were British and had fought before becoming colonists moving over they had dealt with the glorious revolution in the Glorious Revolution the English bill of rights came out of it. You know one of the things that came out with the revolution. You might have heard of it. the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. That's almost identical wording to what was in the English bill, of Rights, The role of juries was in there. The The need for warrants was in there. The the the need for due process was in there. The Americans believed that they were the heirs to the glorious revolution, and then the the the British parliament said you know what you're colonists. You're not British. You're not entitled to these rights. In the American college were like wait a second. Yes, we are our grandfathers great grandfathers. They fought in the glorious revolution that they were willing to fight. Course Revolution. Of course. They chased out James The second, brought him William and Marion in no one had to die. But it was in the lifetime of the grandparents, and they believe they were Englishman. The Americans at the time believed they were Englishman. That's why that's why they kept appealing to the king. Because you see what actually happened is that they were in American and not going to great? Britain they presume the king was still in charge. They didn't realize there had been this great shift to parliament. Parliament was really in charge, and all their appeals were based on the king, and and it was only after a while they realized the king, and the parliament were against them, and didn't really recognize them as Englishman entitled to the English Bill of rights, and they decided the way to preserve the English bill of rights was to revolt and and establish a bill of rights for themselves. And if you read the letters. Of the colonist, and not the upper income people. But the poor the middle class that they thought they were Englishman and they couldn't understand why. The British were giving them the rights they were owed. And so we had a revolution. And the revolutionary was all about claiming those rights for themselves. That's why the declaration of independence talks about throwing off the old. Win The old won't give you. What is yours already see? The French Revolution was a very progressive revolution. The French Revolution was about ending the old and getting something new. The American Revolution was actually very conservative revolution. It was about a ending a way of life to preserve what they thought they were already entitled to. It was about going back to get something. They thought they were entitled to not jumping forward to something new. Big Deal. And it's totally misrepresented by a lot of historians these days who wish to. Up End and disrupt who wished to? Repudiate the American experiment. You gotTA stand firm. All you have to do is read the letters. Of the middle class in the revolution. Many of them realize slavery was wrong, but they were GONNA have to put off dealing with it until the dealt with the British. And this woman Nicole Hannah Jones. has tried through fable to rewrite. American history and the intellectual elite in this country are allowing her to do it in the reason they're allowing her to do. It is because they know the mob coming. And they just WanNa be the last man standing and hope that the mob is satiated before the mob turns it sights on them. It's not gonNA work for them. The question is will the rest of standup. On his news and Conservative view never separated from the true. It's the Eric Erickson show. You can go to the resurgent Dot Com every day, and remember keep texting action two, five, four, four four. The word is action, texted two, five, five, four, four four. Make sure your state representative of votes against the Casino resolution to save the hope scholarship. I have been asked by the way in and I'll talk about this on the way back. All the way back when we get back from commercial break I. Because I was asked. What is the compromise planet? If there was a compromise plan for a casino? If you could structure it in such a way to bring in a casino. What would you do? And I I do WanNa talk about that. I I do think it is worth discussing. Now I gotTA. Tell you before we get any of that. Though this is so ridiculous, this is happening around the country. The Houston Association of Realtors is going to start using primary to describe bedrooms and bathrooms on US listening services out of the word master. The move comes after several members raised the issue and called for a review, claiming that master bathroom and master bedroom were racist. The quartermaster Somalia which grants wine stewards the sought after Masters Omeday for title followed following the passage of exams that it's no longer going to use the term before the sommeliers last name. Oh my goodness, gracious ridiculed, and you know they're out to get a the Augusta. They're out to get the masters now. The route to get the masters They say that that's racist and that the Augusta national is a racist institution, and they need to get rid of the master, either they ain't get your look at it. They stood up to women who wanted to be integrated that they held their fire on that for very long time, and they're going to hold the line on this as well. They're not GONNA follow it. I would be shocked actually if they did. I would be genuinely shocked if they did, but it is just silliness. Now I I do have to stay. One of the issues. Is, focusing. On the virus. Because people are having a hard time focusing on this stuff. So long as they're worried about the virus. And they're not just worried about the virus. You didn't understand this. They're not just worried about the virus. Because of media hype. They're worried about because increasingly. People know people who've gotten the virus. And younger people aren't having a lot of effects. But older people are. An older people vote. And older people are. The, ones who are going to get the symptoms. And older people getting the symptoms. They're they're going to be the people who were mad. That Washington didn't do enough. And you know the part of the problem here for the president honestly is that state's really are in charge, if honest about it, states really are the ones who are in charge, and yet it is Washington. Everyone goes to Washington for solutions. And in going to Washington for solutions. You're not going to get the solutions from Washington DC. You're. Not GonNa get. Them from Washington. And so the president is being held responsible for something where the president doesn't actually have a ton of control. And that in of itself is an issue. Then in and of itself is a problem. But it's one that they have to deal with because it. It's there I. Mean they can't get out of this. The they've got a problem. The president's going to get blamed for other people stuff. It's not fair to him, but that's life They gotta find a way to to deal with this issue and I think they can. They should, but they're going to have to figure it out when we come back. Though what do we do about a casino in Georgia, if it's coming, what should it look like? I've got thoughts on this. Hello there. It is Eric. Erickson here are the last half hour for this week. And then I get to go will go to the gym and then come back for two more hours this evening. Go do my Emmanuel side. You know I've been I I go to a place in making that is it's. Cross fit style exercise aid has kicked my butt this week. I am exhausted and I kept trying to come up with an excuse to not go today and I can't come up with one so I guess I'm going to go get my exercise today. At the gym I did box jumps yesterday. My! My legs are still sore. My heels are sore. It just kind of sucks, but it's good for me. I actually like it. I really actually do I, I like cross fit more than your standard gym exercise I go to I. It's called Tau Training A. training over Down Riverside. Drive in making if you know where that is where the new mall is in making river crossing, it's behind. There really just just a great great gym-owner and. Losing waiting getting in shape in it's helpful. I just gotTa do better on the eating. I just like beer and pizza too much of the problem now. What about the Casino? Because a lot of people are are emailing they? They WanNa Casino in this. If if you if you had your druthers if you would allow a casino if you were king for days as you can have a casino in Georgia. What would you do? I have an idea. I think if you are if you're desperate for a casino in Georgia. I let let me offer you the way that I would design a casino in Georgia I would make sure it is a destination. Now what I mean by that is I. think that if you if you WanNa have a casino in Georgia. You need to make it at least a hundred fifty miles. From Atlanta. The reason I think you need to make it a hundred fifty miles from Atlanta. Is because I think you need to make it a destination place, so that would preclude North Georgia. That would preclude Metro Atlanta. You would make it more towards Savannah or South Georgia thing. So, I mean Brickley Let. Let's say you put it in Valdosta for example. You or Savannah if you put it in Valdosta, you would be luring people up from Florida you would get the the the I. Four traffic from Orlando and up. They've got a horse track where they've got the dog racing and horse racing in Florida. They don't have casinos. Racine, they call them racists or were. You can gamble. so you, you would preclude so you wouldn't impact necessarily If you had an entertainment venue, you would not impact the Georgia theatre in Athens. You wouldn't impact the Fox theatre in Atlanta. And I think if you did it that way LE. Let's say you put it in Statesboro between states burnt savannah. If you did it that way. You would be able to have a casino in the state. That would be destination based. People would actually drive there. I mean people from Atlanta drive up to what Jerky North Carolina. They drive to Turkey North Carolina. Cherokee North Carolina from Atlanta is is well. Let's see let me pull up the map. This is one professional me I'm GONNA. Do it anyway. cheerokee North Carolina. It is from Macon where I am. It is a three hour. Fifty minute drive is two hundred thirty two miles now. WHAT ABOUT FROM FROM ATLANTA? from Atlanta Cherokee? It is roughly. One. Hundred sixty two miles. So do a casino. That is a one hundred fifty miles outside Atlanta. and. You're still closer than Cherokee North Carolina. Do a casino outside of their and suddenly the music venue aspect. Does it really matter? because. The population is Atlanta's to an artist who may go to the casino would still want to go to Atlanta. The restaurants in the north Georgia area. The I mean that that you you join in in Clayton that I love have decided I love so much the restaurants in Rome the restaurants Atlanta. They they wouldn't be impacted. It would be a destination by the way you put it in you. Put It near Savannah. If you to put it near. Savannah you also would be attracting air traffic into Savannah. which would boost it the other thing you've got to do in pay attention to this one. This is important. Pay attention to it. You need to actually have the money go to hope. The tax revenue needs to go to the hope scholarship. You can divide it fifty fifty between the General Fund in the Hope Scholarship, but you need the money to go to hope not to this new opportunity for you. Don't need this Opportunity Fund. If you fund hope, you don't need an opportunity fund and that's kind of the Lai. That gives away the lie of the legislation that this won't impact. Hope the fact that you're. You're feeling the need to start a brand new scholarship. You want to start a brand new scholarship. No you don't need to start a brand new scholarship. Don't START A brand-new scholarship. Just Fun the Hope Scholarship, you fund the Hope Scholarship with this casino. You're okay, but put it. Put it along the coast or put it down on the floor to line. Get it well outside of the the The Metro Atlanta area in the north Georgia area, the North George area, the Atlanta area You need to protect them because those areas tend to have more entertainment venues more restaurants in the rest of the state, and those are the ones that would be economically impacted by the. The casino you WanNa. Make the key to a destination. If you put it in Atlanta, what's going to happen? It's going to become a destination in Atlanta and you're going to deprive other parts of Atlanta of the Casino, so the aquariums going to get hurt. The Botanical Gardens are GonNa get hurt the the Tabernacles GonNa get hurt. The Fox theater is going to get hurt you. PUT IT UP North toward. You'RE GONNA hurt. You're going to hurt a lot of the the industry up North Georgia. But if people are willing from the the north Georgia from the Atlanta area to drive to Cherokee north, Carolina to go to the casino there, there would be willing to drive in Georgia to a casino. In fact I would venture to say if you put a close to Savannah. You have one casino in the state. You put it near Savannah. People from Atlanta would make it a destination. People from Florida would make it a destination. People from South Carolina would make it a destination, but you got guarantee. It's going to be in that area of the state, and not the Atlanta area of the state. It's not going to be the middle Georgia area the state. You gotta put it someplace like that. Now I still don't think it's a good thing. I think a A Casino tends to bring a lot of social ills. There's a reason. Las Vegas is in a desert. There's a reason Atlantic city didn't work out. A casino is not a sure thing. In fact, long-term casinos tend to bring problems. And you don't want to do that. you you. You can't do that. and. Yet people want to, so you gotta be careful how you do it. That's how I would do it. I would make sure it's either in Valdosta or somewhere somewhere down there put it in the swamp down there in your way cross. PUT IT in Brunswick. Put It in Savannah. Don't put it anywhere near the Metro Atlanta area. Make It make sure it can only be one location. Only one location. It's got to be a minimum of one hundred fifty miles outside of Atlanta. And the the revenue has to go to the hope scholarship. You have an entertainment venue have restaurants. You can make it a destination. But. That's what you gotta do. If you don't want my opposition I I'm I'm not fundamentally opposed I I still think it would be bad I don't think we needed to the state, but if you're asking me to say okay, you've gotTA. Have one you must have one. And if you're GonNa, do that and you must have it. How are you going to do it? That's how I would do it. You would attract also if you put it in south Georgia. This is the other thing. If you, put it in south Georgia. You would attract more people to go into south Georgia fueling sales tax revenue in south Georgia in such a way that you could actually do some economic incentives in those rural parts of the state that need that development. But you gotta be real. Careful how you? If you look at Cherokee north, Carolina, for example, a lot of the mom and pop shops and Jerky. North. Carolina have have they've completely wound down? Because they Everybody goes to the Casino now. And then in and of itself is a problem all right? That's enough y'all gonna get bored of this. I I don't WanNa stick there I went actually read one more thing to you. the that Georgia news here. Ten mayors have asked the Georgia legislature to repeal the stand your ground law now the stand your ground offense is a defense for people who win for several. You know in some states. If someone attacking you, you're obligated not to defend yourself, but to run away in some states, Georgia is one. It has a stand your ground law where if someone is is attacking. You can shoot and kill them. And Tin Mayors have asked the state to get rid of it. The letter was signed by the mayors of Atlanta Savannah Augusta Athens Clarke Decatur norcross. Way Cross, Fairburn and stockbridge. They write? Stand your ground laws up in centuries of traditional self-defense. And threaten public safety by encouraging our vigilantism, allowing a person to kill another person in a public area, even when they can clearly and safely walk away from the danger. NO, no! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I. Don't see a reason to up upend. Stand your ground loss. Where people are allowed to protect themselves y'all. If, you're just you're hang on a second. Let me go back to the store. I talked about the story earlier. If you if you haven't heard the story, where is it? GonNa Fight Yeah here we go. This is from WSB TV in Atlanta. In the Metro Atlanta area. There's been a dramatic slowdown in policing in Atlanta. Let me just give you the data for the two weeks. Since the by the way this happened. This happened before officer. Ross charge of the radar brooks murder. This this happened in his death, not murder the trigger for the slowdown was the six officers who taste and arrested two college students, and then the officers were fired by the city and the. The disturbed press charges after that happened. There was a slowdown for the two weeks in question. Atlanta police made nearly one thousand one hundred arrests citywide last year this year, only three, hundred ten down seventy two percent arrests for narcotics or down ninety five percent year-over-year police didn't make a single narcotics arrest last week. Traffic stops on eighty eight percent of the two week period police made only fifty stops. The police are not policing in Atlanta. As a result of this crime is on the rise in Atlanta serious domestic crime has risen fifty seven percent since last year compared to last year, shooting incidents have tripled last week. The number of shooting victims has quadrupled. Open drug use now in the city of Atlanta. Police aren't enforcing the laws and who could blame him. They arrested. They don't want to go to jail. They know the mayor doesn't have their back now. And now you've got these tin. Mayors including the mayor of Atlanta wanted to get rid of standard. You gotTA. You gotTA protect yourself. This is why every single one of you need to gun. Every single one of you know needs to learn how to use. This is a great time for me to plug true position. You can't buy a gun at true precision, but you can buy upgrades to a gun at true precision. You can get better. Slide grips, better sites, but Better better barrels. You should go to true. DASH PRECISION DOT com they're. They're an advertiser on this program true DASH PRECISION DOT com. If you use eric at checkout, you get ten percent off your K-. You should check them out. Because you need protection. You gotta you've you've got to protect yourself? You've got to learn self defense now because the police aren't there to help you and the police aren't there to help you. Because mayors, politically aggressive mayors and and social justice advocates are rounded up the police making the police the bad guy when they're just trying to protect you. What has happened to those police? Officers in Atlanta is an abomination. We should all be defending those guys. It is. Ridiculous that were in the mess. We're in now and the police aren't showing up to work, but who can blame them. You can't blame the police in Atlanta for not showing up to work you. You just can't do it. because. They're getting a bad reputation. They're the ones being attacked. They're the ones who the mayors are are cast aspersions on the DA's WanNa Wanna grandstand on arresting them the DA's WanNa. Throw them in jail. This is not going to end well. For anybody. When you come in, there are bad police officers out there there are we need to acknowledge it? But overwhelmingly, the police aren't bad. The police are good. They're there to help you. They put their lives on the line. They need to be defended. And Democratic. Politicians in charge of cities are no longer defending the police. They're attacking the police. The mayor of New York completely undermines the police on a daily basis. He sends police to round-up Jewish people who WanNa go to a park. But, otherwise you won't let the police do anything. He condemns the police. The police are the scapegoat. The police of the fog is. You? Got Stand up for the police. If you don't see enough for the police, the police aren't going to be there to protect you, and that's what's happening right now in Atlanta and elsewhere. By the way I think there's probably up INS. Mayor Bottoms beat on the list of people for Joe Biden Joe Biden. Still can't figure out who to pick vice president. They're being very deliberate very cautious on this. They want to make sure there are no skeletons in the closet for the vice presidential pick because they know there is a perception. Let's be honest. There is a perception out. Out there that have joe, Biden gets the nominate will is going to be the nation. That Joe Biden isn't going to be around for four years. There is a eight and overwhelming perception. People don't like talk about it, but Joe Biden is not going to be around for years. Here's Marco Rubio talking about Joe Biden's memory. I think ultimately have all this proves to be true then there's. There's only two things to conclude from it either a suffering from severe memory loss or be. He's not being honest. He's lying. So I mean we'll find out soon enough. When when these when a judicial committee doesn't investigation, the is right in front of the American people, but either he's got memory loss, or he's not telling the truth. Neither one of those is good, and that's about. About. The flooding situation Joe Biden, said he involved, and now we know from notes. He was involved in now. He says he doesn't remember being involved to is Leonard as memory loss, more more Republicans are talking about this in the voters. No, it comes up in the balls. The voters are worried about Joe by. They may not like Donald Trump at the word about Joe Biden's health. They're worried about a state of mind. and. He knows if he gets a radical vice president. People are gonNA. Look on that person say it's GONNA wind up being the president on what that person's vice president or as president. That's why the President I. It's I want you to understand the polls. I started the show with all the bad it including Georgia if the election were held today Joe Biden Woodwind Georgia. Joe Biden would come close in Texas Republicans nationwide would be wiped out, but it's June it's June. It's June. It's June. The president has time to turn this rather. I got a focus. They gotta make some changes, but they got time to do it. And Joe Biden's memory situation and his health situation helps president trump in November well connected and well respected. It's Eric Erickson live every weekday. Welcome back! It is Eric Eric sitting here. good news W rg a up in Rome reports that the unemployment rate has dropped up in the Rome. Mary, which is good in fact, overall in the state. It has started dropping the Mark Butler said that roams unemployment rate actually went down in May. Due to the effects all of the areas of the state are continuing to see slow growth, but jobs are starting to come back the unemployment rate decreased by four point one percentage points in May reaching nine point one percent a year ago, it was three point five percent though. Rome ended may with forty one thousand two hundred jobs, the number increased by sixteen hundred from April to May, but was down six hundred compared to last year, but every part of the state is seeing this. It's not just the role Marya jobs are starting to come back. That is good. The question is can jobs come back in and live compatibly? With the virus I'm not sure that they can, but they're going to try They're GONNA do their best to to get that up in going We'll see now. I want to go to this ridiculousness. I mentioned it earlier. It's it's just infuriates me. This is from Lindsay Parker the editor. In chief of Yahoo. Music in an increasingly anti racist era, were problematic ICONOGRAPHY ranging from aunt Jemima knuckle bend even the Dukes of hazzard generally car in country band lady Antebellum Dame has been recessed. Revised retired America's national anthem, the Star spangled banner seems to be striking a wrong note. Last week, protesters in San Francisco toppled a statue of Francis Scott key unknown slaveholders who once said that African Americans were quote, a and inferior people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community. Last, week Liana Morales an Afro Latino. Latina CTS wow. Tells you everything you need to? About the writer of the peace of the student at New York's Urban Assembly. School proven refused to sing. The Star spangled banner at her graduation ceremony, explaining to the Wall Street Journal with everything that's happening if I stand there and seeing I'm being complicit to a system that has oppressed people of Color. Instead, she performed lift every voice in seeing him widely considered the black national anthem, so it's time for this country to dispense with the Star spangled banner in an adopt a new anthem with less trouble history. Oh good, gracious, no! You know one of the songs that's being proposed is imagined. A vapid song for Vapid people who don't know anything you know. The Star spangled banner. was written with Francis Scott. He is an eyewitness to the war of eighteen twelve. Third Stange Stanza that says no refuge could save the hireling enslave for the terror flight, or the gloom of the grave, and the Star spangled banner and triumph doth wave of the land of the free home of the brave. Is it references. A slave at has been completely taken out of context from what it actually meant, but the revisionist history who believed that America was bad from the beginning, and that Africans came over and help build Pyramids Central America they're willing to believe whatever you want to tell them. As long as they get to believe bad things about the United States and revised the history of this country to make it negative sometime. We're GONNA have to deal with this revisionism.

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