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House Intelligence committee about to review impeachment report; Federal prosecutors give new details about evidence in case against Giuliani associate; Key GOP Senators won't disavow Russian-backed conspiracy theory on Ukraine election meddling

The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer

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House Intelligence committee about to review impeachment report; Federal prosecutors give new details about evidence in case against Giuliani associate; Key GOP Senators won't disavow Russian-backed conspiracy theory on Ukraine election meddling

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Senator John Kennedy reverses course again and resumes pushing a russian-backed conspiracy theory. That Ukraine interfered in the two thousand sixteen presidential campaign and done being quiet former. FBI lawyer Lisa. The page breaks her silence in an explosive new interview and response to President. Trump's repeated twitter attacks on her former lover. I'm wolf puts. You're in the situation room. This is CNN breaking news. We're following breaking news. Keanu step toward impeachment. The House Intelligence Committee is about to conduct a close to a review of the report on their hearings which will be the basis of articles of impeachment against President Trump House. Republicans have gotten a jump on them with their own report defending the president which CNN was able to review just moments ago and the Judiciary Committee has just released. Its list of witnesses. Who will testify in? Its first impeachment hearing on Wednesday. We'll talk about the breaking news and more with Senator Richard Blumenthal of the judiciary and armed services committees and our correspondents and analysts are also standing by first. Let's go straight to Capitol Hill our senior congressional correspondent Maharajas on the scene for us. We're only minutes away from the house. Intelligence Committee members going behind closed doors to review the committee's impeachment report. What is the very latest information? You're getting yeah. Just a matter of moments members of that committee will go beyond George Review this report that something they can do up until tomorrow when the committee will vote to release that report and send it to the house. Judiciary recommitted House Judiciary Committee essential. Use this report. As the basis of articles of impeachment against President Expenses Democratic report to be long several potentially actually hundreds of pages long detailing the findings of this two month investigation into Ukraine. The Democrats allegations. The president abused his power and his dealings with that foreign foreign country also in its his ask for Ukraine to investigate his political rival Joe Biden at the same time as security aide was withheld for Ukraine and a key meeting that Ukraine saw also withheld details in this report. We'll be waiting to hear the exact recommendations but undoubtedly this will form the basis of those articles of impeachment. Now Tomorrow Committee will vote to release that senator. How Judiciary Committee and the district Wednesday will have? Its first hearing earlier today. They released a witnesses for that first. Hearing several academics will discuss US discuss the grounds for impeachment. Essentially it'll be discussion over. What constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors will be the first in a series of proceedings the panel that will also carry into likely the following week? Now the following week are they have yet to announce their schedule but we do expect according to our sources. That's when the committee will move to Actually impeach the president hold a vote on articles of impeachment than the full House for vote. That will likely happen before Christmas. Assuming the Democrats the Democrats are conference offering they do that will move forward waiting to see exactly how they structure those articles of impeachment but likely could be multiple articles impeaching focusing focusing on abuse of power obstruction of Congress potentially obstruction of justice as well now. The White House turned down an invitation to participate in Wednesday's hearing saying they were not given enough time to provided provided a witnesses they're also saying that the sham processes they've done so far now they can participate in future hearings but they have until Friday to respond to that but already Republicans publican's are attacking this process. Democrats believe there's far more than enough evidence to say to the president abuses office and deserves to be impeached and we'll Democrats will detail more of their findings windings tonight and we'll see publicly tomorrow as you know Republicans. They've just released their own report. How are they defending the president model? Yeah Republicans Release Report One hundred twenty three page report that we obtained and we reviewed and it's a full throated defense of the president's actions contending that none of the central allegations of the president did all wrong essentially saying the present with the wizards within his rights withhold the military assistance to Ukraine. Saying you needed to be reviewed saying they. Ukraine is a historically corrupt country and he had within the president's responsibilities to ensure that money was not going to a country. That could be misused us in any way suggesting that. Even the role of Rudy Giuliani the president's personal attorney and investigating these matters something that had raised alarm bells with a number of senior us. US officials saying that Rudy Giuliani. Roy was completely proper. Actually saying is. There's nothing inherently improper with Rudy Giuliani's role. Even this report suggested the president's claim that Ukraine a crane may have meddled in the two thousand sixteen elections something has been refuted by a number of witnesses including in the US intelligence community while they're saying that there's indisputable evidence that senior Ukrainian officials oppose President Trump in the twenty sixteen election did so publicly and also they're defending that July twenty fifth phone. Call that the president had with presence Alinsky of Ukraine which president trump herbs Alinsky to open up an investigation into Ukraine potential Ukraine interference in the twenty thousand elections as well as an investigation into the Biden's lightens. It says in the report says the summary There July twenty fifth to twenty nineteen telephone conversation so no quid pro quo or indication of condition now threats or pressure much less evidence of bribery or extortion. The summary reflects after is increasing cordiality. Presence Alinsky has said repeatedly and publicly and in repeatedly that he felt no pressure. President trump has said publicly that he exerted no pressure so so wolf. You're seeing the dividing lines rather stark here here. On Capitol Hill after a two-month investigations Republican siding with the president offering the rebuttal. The publians on this committee vote in to move forward Lord on this report that will essentially the minority views of the larger democratic report. Democrats say this is conduct is completely unacceptable. And we'll see that play out this this weekend. We'll be a momentous month here in the house historic Adid Maharaja. Thank you very much as the impeachment process. Kicks it up higher. GEAR president trump his in London right now for a NATO meeting our chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta traveling with the president. Jim I understand. The president's aircraft about to Land House Republicans. They are defending defending the president. Is You just heard in their new report but the White House so far. Stay away from it all what. What's the latest you're here? That's the White House is saying no way. The president and his lawyers will not be participating in the next impeachment hearing set for Wednesday and a house a White House officials all but ruling it out altogether other in the house telling. CNN The Democrats are nowhere near meeting their demands for White House involvement. The president is slamming the process calling it a hoax and a distraction as he's spending the week meeting meeting with NATO leaders here in London. The president is latching on comments by the way made by the leader of Ukraine. Even as those remarks don't really exonerate him with the clouds of impeachment hanging over his every move. President trump all but accused Democrats of sabotage as he sat to sit down with NATO leaders in London. The Democrats the radical left demographic the do nothing Democrats decided. When I'm going to NATO? This was a year ago. That what I'm going to NATO that one of the most important we make president everybody knows scrambling for a headline that will help Kim. The president is seizing on comments. Made by the leader of Ukraine about their infamous July. Twenty Fifth Phone Call News Today. President came out and said very strongly the president trump that absolutely nothing wrong that GPK's over but he just came out a little while ago and he. The president did absolutely nothing wrong. End Everything but that's not quite with the Ukrainian president said as he complained a Time magazine. Then he believed. Mr Trump wasn't exactly treating him like a true ally when the US held up military aid to his country stating look. I never talked to the president from the position of a quid pro quo. I don't want us to look beggars but you have to understand. We're at war if you're a strategic partner then you can't go blocking anything for us. I think that's just about fairness fairness the president will be in London for NATO meeting so he won't be participating in the latest round of impeachment proceedings in the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday. Neither Will White House attorneys. Who told committee chairman Jerry Nadler in a letter under the current circumstances? We do not intend to participate in your Wednesday hearing. Democrats are accusing Republicans of hiding hiding behind arguments about the process. I think the White House has put itself in a straitjacket of its own making by questioning the legitimacy of the Constitutional Russel's and by questioning the legitimacy. It makes it very difficult for them to participate. The president's top defenders are going further than that you bogus conspiracy theories pushed by the Russians that Ukraine was meddling in the two thousand sixteen election. I think both Russia and Ukraine meddled in the two thousand sixteen eighteen election. I think it's been well documented Louisiana. GOP Senator John Kennedy has twisted himself into Pretzel on the issue. Resurrecting the Ukraine talking gene point after he seemed to back away from it last week I was wrong. The only evidence I have and I think it's overwhelming is that it was Russia who tried to hack the DNC computer. That's what the consensus note. Yep I've seen no indication that Ukraine Tried to do that was enough to earn some presidential praise where it counts on twitter. Thank you great Republican. Senator John Kennedy. The president tweeted for the job he did and representing both the the Republican Party and myself and just a few moments ago the president and the first lady stepped off of Air Force. One arriving here in in London for these NATO meetings and wolf we should mention the White House. They liked the split screen of seeing the president over here in London meeting with these NATO leaders while the House of Representatives is holding these impeachment proceedings in the White House. We should note has until the end of the week to decide whether administration lawyers will play any part in the impeachment proceedings in the house. One official though questioned whether the White House even needs to respond to the House hearing set for Wednesday as it includes constitutional scholars as Maharaja was just mentioning not witnesses. Who could shed light on the president's this dealings with Ukraine the White House is not closing the door on being involved in these proceedings wolf? But it's getting very close. Yes early as Democrats in London. Thank you let's get some more on all of this joining joining us now. Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut. He's a member of both judiciary and Armed Services Committee senator. Thanks very much for coming in. Thank you so there's about to be this. New Phase is in the House of Representatives. The Judiciary Committee is going to about to consider the Intelligence Committee's report. What will you be watching for in this new phase? I'll be watching first of all this week for the standard that set forth by constitutional scholars. Then the following week the vote by Judiciary Committee on the articles of impeachment mm-hmm and of course the next week the vote on those articles by the full House but make no mistake. The president's own words here are in many respects the most most incriminating part of this case in that July Twenty Fifth Compensation President clearly is soliciting a bribe and bribery under the Constitution as a specifically enumerated offense for impeachment. And of course he says in that conversation that he will perform an official act namely releasing the military only if something of personal benefit to him that investigation of Joe Biden with reason Zain treason bivary. high-crime bribery high crimes and Misdemeanors House Republicans have just written his lengthy rebuttal to the Democrats. Saying there's absolutely no evidence of of impeachable crimes. As far as the July twenty fifth phone call between the president and Zielinski. They write this the summary of their July twenty fifth. Twenty nineteen telephone conversation sation shows no quid pro quo or indication of conditionality threats or pressure. Much less evidence of bribery or extortion. The summary reflects laughter pleasantries pleasantries. And what do you make of that. Well there's a lot more than laughter pleasant cree and cordiality. The president of Ukraine says we need those anti Tank missiles and the president of the United States is immediately thereafter. I want you to do us a little favor though. Meaning the investigation of Joe Biden a personal benefit to him so I think that characterization is completely distorted and distracting which has been their strategy. It's also dangerous to our national security because this falsity the theory that Ukraine was responsible for meddling in elections not. Russia actually is not only debunked buyer intelligence community by the MoD report and by the Senate Intelligence Committee controlled by Republicans but also so creates a false sense of complacency at credits Vladimir Putin with his contention that the Ukrainians not the Russians attacked us. Top Republicans Republicans on the House. Judiciary Committee objected to what he describes the short notice that the committee members are getting who the witnesses are going to be the nature of the report. The details of the House Intelligence Committee report. They say the process is totally unfair. Is it fair to have a hearing on Wednesday Wednesday morning at ten. Am when they just now discovered who are the witnesses the constitutional lawyers. The experts are going to testify and they still haven't seen the basis of this report namely the House intelligence. Committee's conclusion and the purpose of the hearing this Wednesday is to frame the standards and the legal issues and I can tell you as a former prosecutor is the chief federal prosecutor United States Attorney for Connecticut and then the State Attorney General of my state the clear evidence here Is enough to rest the case on impeachment but even more important the standards here have been set forth in the Constitution for centuries he's they've been debated often the constitutional scholars appearing before the Senate or well known and the report is based on testimony that everybody heard over the past couple of weeks so there are no surprises here. The Republicans they want the chairman of the Intelligence Committee. Adam Schiff to testify. He's the one one who led the inquiry to begin with. They say he has the command of the facts. You think it would be appropriate for him to appear and answer questions before the the committee there is absolutely no reason for Adam Schiff to appear. He's the chairman of the committee that heard this testimony. If if the President United States has exculpatory evidence that shows his innocence he should come forward and presented he has been blocking witnesses and testimony from some of the key witnesses that have been sought by the committee and rather than hiding behind a commuter computer screen and tweeting. He ought to come forward and tell the American people. The argument they make is that Adam Schiff led the investigation into all of this Ukraine investigation. The impeachment inquiry the And since there was no special counsel or independent counsel who didn't Ken Starr. He led the investigation into then president. Bill Clinton's impeachment process. He eventually testified before the committee. Since there was no special counsel and Adam Schiff was testify was leading the investigation. Why not let him like Ken? Starr actually come forward and answer questions. Adam Schiff did not act is a special counsel as Ken Starr Give. There was no special counsel in this case and there was no special council. That is absolutely right. That's the key distinction. But here's the really important point what matters here is not the debate back and forth about whether Adam Schiff should testify or whether the Republicans were somehow surprised by the witnesses. What matters here are the facts and the law and again as a prosecutor what I'm going to argue to the jury is facts and law? The testimony over these past couple weeks corroborates what the president said in that July twenty fifth conversation those dedicated Patriots and professionals like Taylor and hill. Who came before the committee? The American people should base their judgment on what they saw. So I'm very quickly if it does come down to a trial in the Senate. He's impeached in the house Do you see any evidence at this point that would lead you to acquit. I WanNa WanNa see what the president has to say if they is any evidence to acquit so far he has refused absolutely refused to come forward with his so called called exculpatory evidence. I would certainly listen carefully and closely to it but right now. The evidence shows an impeachable offense bribery. I bring abuse of power and obstruction. Blumenthal thanks so much for coming in. Thank you stay with us We have more breaking news coming into the situation room. Federal prosecutors have just US reveal the extent of evidence they have in the case against some of Rudy Giuliani's associates black Friday's what's big sale of the year. That's the biggest sale of the year. 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Kerry you're learning that one of Giuliani's associates is what willing to cooperate in Congress's impeachment probe of the President uh-huh. What's the latest? What are you here today in court? An attorney for lead Parnasse. One of those associates says that his client wishes to cooperate with the House intelligence. Committee's investigation nation. But he said that much of the documents and materials that have been subpoenaed by the house are still in the government's possession because the government had seized dozens of electronic devices from Parnassus House and his associates and that he does not have them yet to give over to the House intelligence investigators so we also learned that prosecutors have seized twenty nine devices a chunk of them from parnasse mouse and others from Igwe Freeman his co defendant in the case and this includes hard drives laptops cellphones case proven the prosecutor said that they had obtained a satellite phone from his residence. So this is all part of the discovery process and defense lawyer said that they have received about seventy thousand documents so far just before the Thanksgiving holiday ready for prosecutors But one of the attorney said that of it within that material and includes the search warrant affidavits that gives you a sense of the case and in that there were twenty six six pages that were redacted. So that's all related to uncharged conduct. As part of the investigation prosecutors are still undertaking and also today we learned that prosecutors are expecting need to file additional charges against some of the men in the case but the details on that were not They were not very many details about what those charges might entail learning a lot lot more about these associates in the coming days and weeks carousel. Thanks for that update to stay with us. We're keeping a very close eye right now. 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Say what he originally said about a week or so ago what he revis yesterday as far as Ukraine and Russia both interfering in the two thousand sixteen election. Senator Kennedy who what do you believe was responsible for hacking the DNC and Clinton campaign computers. Their emails was it Russia or Ukraine. I don't know nor do you nor do any of us. I was wrong. The only evidence I have and I think it's overwhelming is that that it was Russia who tried to hack the DNC computer. Then why do you think the president keep saying something that he also knows is not not true. Well here's what there. There is a lot of evidence proven and unproven. Everybody's got an opinion that Ukraine did try to interfere with Russia and probably others in the two thousand sixteen election. I think both Russia and Ukraine meddled in the two thousand sixteen collections. Okay two things. One unproven. Evidence is evidence. I'm no lawyer. But that's true. Now he can have an opinion opinion that they both meddle in the election but that is not a fact and there are no facts that bear that out. Here's what we know. Thanks to the Senate. Intelligence Committee Committee chaired by Republican. Senator Richard Burr. Thanks to Bob. Muller support thanks to the unanimous ruling of the intelligence community thanks to Tom Bassir. Donald Trump's former head of security. We know all of these. We know that Russia meddled in the two thousand sixteen election with the express goal of helping Donald Trump and hurting putting Hillary Clinton because they thought Donald Trump was better for their interest. Now the Ukraine piece yes. It is true some Ukrainian politicians whether in an op Ed uh or on their personal facebook post did say things like they didn't want donald trump to be elected. You know who else said that. Lots of other people in lots of other foreign governments if that is the bar of interference when compared to a broad concerted coordinated effort by Russia. It's it's it's Apples and oranges does a disservice to different universe. And I just want to drill down on one of those groups that has said that it's not Ukraine and that is the the unanimous decision of the intelligence community. None of us has seen the report. It's classified okay on on the On on who Really meddled but when I am told told by somebody who did see it is that it is very very clear crystal clear that the cyber issue which is what the president and his allies are suggesting which ages that the DNC Pack was involved was was done by people in Ukraine is flatly not true. Not just because of cyber hyper investigation of of the Of the cyber situation but because of broader intelligence sources and methods that they wouldn't nor should not tell me about and so that is really the key and then just second beat of that is that the implication of this is that the the people bullet this is this helping are the people in Russia and the person is leading their Putin because this all takes the heat away from him where it should. If Bob Mueller had seen evidence of Ukrainian interference he would've indicted that Ukrainians just like the indicted. The Russian the twelve twelve Russians know. Can he did not so. This is all muddying the waters. This is all muddying stirring the pot whatever you WanNa do or however you want to describe it as a way you say well yeah the Russians did it but maybe somebody else did it too. That is not the case. This is really no different. Went from when president trump stood alongside Vladimir Putin in Helsinki and accepted the Kremlin's version of the denials of Russian interference in the US election election over the conclusion of the US intelligence community. And I think that it is obviously an effort by the president and some of his allies to de legitimize the allegations that are at the center of this impeachment inquiry but one of the most sobering takeaways from one special counsel Robert Mueller testified on Capitol Hill was when he warned members of Congress that the Russians were still actively trying to interfere in the political process. He said we're doing they're doing it as we sit right here. And one of the key findings in the Muller report was that the Russians interfered in the twenty sixteen election in a sweeping and systematic way. And so it's not just about rewriting history which is what the president and some of the Republicans on Capitol trying to do it also has significant implications since for the upcoming election because it certainly casts doubt on what this administration is actually trying to do to deter Russian aggression as we move forward and to Senator Kennedy Very Intelligent Guy Road scholar at Oxford. Why do you think he's doing this because I think he understands like virtually everyone else? The Republican Party elected officials that the path of least resistance the path of keeping your job the path of keeping the president off your back is his supporting what he says. Despite the fact glory makes the point. We'll get us not true. I mean there's there's not much else to go with an op Ed. By some Ukrainian gene official is not the same thing as a coordinated broad strategic attempt to meddle in the election online. And offline. That led to the indictment of a dozen Russians by Bob Mueller the former FBI director right. It's not the same thing but John Kennedy knows. Donald trump rewards him. What did Donald Trump through this morning morning on the way he tweeted great job? John Kennedy. Everybody standby there's a lot more. That's developing right now former. FBI Attorney often mocked by president. Trump finally finally breaks her styles cyber Monday all week long in Omaha steaks has an exclusive awesome deal for podcast listeners. Get the perfect gift for everyone on your list. You'll save big and feel good. Sending a one hundred percent guaranteed gift. In a recent survey. Seventy three percent of Americans said they'd rather get great food than more stuff as a gift so when you send Omaha steaks they'll get delicious tender steaks and so how much more and you'll know you send to gift. 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AH STAKES DOT COM and type situation room in the search bar. Every gift is one hundred percent money. Back guaranteed just. It's getting this news into the situation room former president. Jimmy Carter has just been admitted back into a hospital in America's Georgia this past weekend for treatment for a urinary retract infection according to a statement from the Carter Center in Atlanta. He is feeling better and looks forward to returning home soon. We will issue a statement. The Carter Center says when he is released for further rest and recovery at home. We of course wish him a speedy speedy recovery other news. We're following right now this week. The house osas expected to take up a Senate approved resolution condemning the Chinese government for its detention of an estimated one million people who are members of a Muslim minority recently leaked pictures and documents have exposed the brutal conditions there enduring. CNN's Will Ripley reports. China doesn't want you to know the secret behind these walls. Men Women Children sometimes entire families separated from each other cut off from the outside world the US State Department says they live in prison like conditions. Oh locked up not for what they did but who. They are members of Muslim minority groups news from Xinjiang province in China's Far West. Why they're kept? Here is a carefully guarded secret and if China finds the person who leaked more than four hundred Richard Pages of government documents to the New York Times they could disappear to. This person is a member of the Chinese political establishment who wanted the leadership to be held accountable for the decisions that were made into our decisions made by Chinese President Xi Jinping implicated in the mass roundup for the first time what the US calls the mass arbitrary detention and enforced disappearance of more than two million people. Massive passive effort to reprogram entire ethnic Muslim leaguers China blamed for deadly terror attacks. Five years ago attack attack that killed scores of people that same year twenty fourteen residents. She made a series of speeches calling for a crackdown on separatists. The show absolutely no mercy he said in one speech this video from Xinjiang suggests. That's exactly what's happening men with their hands bound head's shaved and blindfolded at a train station. CNN is not able to independently verify this video or when it was taken but two former detainees from Xinjiang told CNN. The same thing happened to them. They describe being herded together with other inmates moved from jail to jail. Oh the Chinese government initially denied the camps exist now it calls them voluntary vocational training centers. Teaching people how to integrate into Chinese Society Jinping's dream is one nation one country. What happens to people who don't fit into president cheese dream so they've been tortured? They've been Starvation their life is like unimaginable. This is my brother. This journalists now in the United States says her brother has been missing in Xinjiang for more than a year. She burst into tears as soon as our interview ended Hain shared shared by every family torn apart. Someone they love vanished. No message no warning gone. These reports are consistent assistant with an overwhelming and growing body of evidence that the Chinese Communist Party is committing human rights violations and abuses against individuals in mass detention. Tough talk from the trump administration as the president praised. She just this week. We'll have a very good relationship with president. She were in the final throes rose of a very important deal. China's human rights record has been a focus of six months violent protests in Hong Kong. US lawmakers the overwhelmingly passed a bill supporting human rights in the Chinese territory. The president signed the bill on Wednesday. CNN examined other secret. Chinese government documents leaked by an investigative consortium guards are told never allow escapes detainees may not contact the outside world China's China's ambassador to the UK calls the mounting evidence pure fabrication. There's no soul called Labor camps. Governments gave them opportunity to Lynn. Then language Mandarin you know to be a good citizen on effective worker that carefully woven narrative unraveling with each new revelation shining light on a dark secret. What many believe is the Chinese president's plan to erase race an entire culture tonight? China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs is categorically denying to CNN that it was involved in any human rights issues in Xinjiang. They say what's happening. There is counter terrorism and dean radicalization measures will will ripley doing excellent reporting for us as the always does thank you very much very important story. Indeed we'll stay on top of that also coming up former FBI. Lawyer Lisa page breaking her silence about President Trump's uh-huh attacks on her remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash. CNN president trump's favorite twitter targets is breaking her silence former FBI. Lawyer Lisa Pace Brian. Todd has details. What are you learning Brian Right? We'll Lisa page. He says she's decided to take her power back. She's defending her conduct regarding text with a former. FBI AGENT WHO. She had an affair with hitting back at accusations. In her personal opinions of president trump tainted the Russia investigation. Still new interview continues to raise questions about the appearance of bias on pages behalf after two years Lisa page says she's done being quiet the former. FBI LAWYER SAYS President Trump's lewd imitation of her text next with former FBI agent. Peter Struck with whom she had an affair broke the camel's back. I love you I love you to at least at least tell Lisa Lisa. Oh God I love your Lisa. And if she doesn't win Lisa we've got an insurance policy. Let's see Lisa. We'll get that son of a bitch out in a new interview with the daily beast. Lisa page says President Trump is quote demeaning me and my career. It's sickening. She says it's like being punched in the Gut. My heart drops to my stomach. Whenever trump tweets about her like today from tweeting when Lisa Page the lover of Peter Struck doc talks about being crushed? And how innocent. She is asked her to read Peter's insurance policy texts to her. Just in case Hillary Loses a reference to strucks text to Lisa the page on August Fifteenth Two Thousand Sixteen when he mentioned an insurance policy trump has interpreted that to mean the Russia probe struck has denied that but earlier earlier that year. Page and struck exchanged other texts about trump. Paid once asking struck. Trump's not ever going to become president right right struck truck replies. No no he's not. We'll stop it. In March of two thousand sixteen page texted struck. I cannot believe Donald Trump is likely to be an actual serious candidate candidate for president. God trump is a loathsome human pagent struck both left the Mueller investigation into Russian election. Meddling after Robert Muller learned about their their texts and trump has been slamming both of them ever since Lee self pay who was forced to leave the FBI at her lover. Peter Struck in who we got there text messages at what they said. Those text messages. Were shocking when you talk about bias next week. A Justice Department Inspector General's report will come out examining trump's allegations of bias in the origins of the Russia probe Lisa Page told the daily beast. My personal opinions had absolutely really no bearing on the course of the Russia investigations but analysts. Say Even the appearance of pages texts is troubling. The right question is whether there was behavior that has has the appearance of impropriety relating to bias in the answer is unmistakably. There was page claims. She doesn't engage in partisan politicking. She says she's overwhelmed. Twelve by dread and embarrassment that the public knows about her affair with Struck was smart of her to speak out now or should she not allowed herself to be drawn into this further Lisa. Lisa page didn't have anything to lose by going public and telling her side since Donald Trump continues to use her as foil no and diversion for more substantive issues and continues to taunt her Lisa page says trump's attacks still affect her everyday everyday life. She says she gets nervous when someone looks at her on a commuter train or if she sees someone wearing a make-america-great-again hat. She says she'll walk the other way just as to avoid conflict other than president. Trump's tweet about page today. The White House has not responded to Lisa pages interview the F. B. I. would not comment to CNN wolf. Nari Brian Brian. Thank you just ahead. Members of the House Intelligence Committee of their power to review the impeachment report shop. The Omaha steaks cyber Monday sale all week long and save on delicious and memorable gifts. 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House Intelligence Committee Releases New Lev Parnas Documents

NPR's Story of the Day

03:10 min | 7 months ago

House Intelligence Committee Releases New Lev Parnas Documents

"The House Intelligence Committee has just released new documents provided by lead partner and associate of president. Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani. The documents will be sent over to the Senate as part of the official record of the impeachment. Trial Congressional reporter. Cloudy Has Seen the documents in his in the studio with us now Welcome back either. What have you learned from this latest batch of information. Yes what we're seeing here is a third wave of documents from this figure. I love Parnasse become a lot more familiar to us by the end of this week and in this document release. We're seeing dozens of pages of text messages and photos photos some of these photos feature Parnasse with President trump or his son donald trump junior. And we also see text messages showing knowing that love. Parnasse worked with trump associate. His outside attorney actually Rudy Giuliani and he worked with him to have John Dowd. This is a former trump attorney to represent parnasse. We also see text messages between partners and a man by the name of Derek Harvey. This is an aide representative. Devon Nunez imparts appears to set up a skype interview between him and Ukrainian prosecutor. So those are the people were hearing about. It adds another another layer of evidence connecting Parnis to President Trump and this Ukrainian saga and. Is this information that just came to the committee or help us understand the timeline of this. Yes so the committee tonight. According to a democratic aide told us they received these documents tied to subpoena filed last October Ober. It did come to the house. Intelligence Committee and they are transmitting. These documents the House Judiciary Committee and will eventually make their way to the Senate impeachment trial. We've been seeing a lot of love. PARNIS on television right. Give us the sense of his background so he was indicted in October by federal prosecutors in New New York on campaign finance charges. Those are not directly related to his work with Giuliani. Parnes has pleaded not guilty in that case. But he's under a a lot of legal pressure and now he says he wants to get out his story on how he's involved in this Ukraine affair so we know hymns an associate to Giuliani. WHO WAS PRESIDENT? Trump's personal attorney and he continues to make appearances now to tell his side of the story as we mentioned. It's the latest of several waves of new evidence or information any sense of how they could actually affect the Senate impeachment trial. That's supposed to begin more or less Tuesday. Nick that remains to be seen we. I need to get to an organizing resolution on Tuesday on the opening arguments in the case. And whether these documents humans will make their way before senators as part of the trial. That's another question. They could vote on exactly. So that's something that they need to consider as they set up the parameters of this trial and whether it will be part of the official record of documents they'll be looking at that's N._p._R.. Congressional reporter cloudy Gra Solace. Thanks so much for looking through dollar having the.

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House Intelligence Committee approves impeachment report; Will be used as basis for articles of impeachment; Nunes dodges questions after being named multiple times in his own committee's impeachment report; House Intelligence details evidence of Trump ob

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46:57 min | 8 months ago

House Intelligence Committee approves impeachment report; Will be used as basis for articles of impeachment; Nunes dodges questions after being named multiple times in his own committee's impeachment report; House Intelligence details evidence of Trump ob

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Revelations plus the top Republican on the intelligence committee repeatedly named in his own committee's report accused of coordinating with Rudy. Giuliani Devin. Newness explained that to Kamla Harris ending. What at one point was a searching campaign former Harris insider tells us how it went so wrong so fast? Let's go out for good evening. I'm Erin Burnett out front tonight the breaking news historic vote this hour. The House Intelligence Committee voting to officially approve the committee's impeachment report. It was a party line. Vote the three hundred page report and it is. It is a big one here accused as president president trump of brave misconduct and abuse of power. It is now this entire document in the hands of the Judiciary Committee and it is a hand off that matters for American history because it it is the judiciary committee that will write the formal articles of impeachment against the forty fifth president of the United States of America. Donald J trump and this report includes new new phone records. The Democrats say show the president's allies including the top Republican on the Intelligence Committee. Dennis coordinated to peddle is and it raises new questions about vice president. Mike Pence's role in helping trump abused the power of the presidency for personal political gain. So we're GONNA have much more on all all of of what is in these pages in just a moment I wanna go first. To Capitol Hill. Maharaja is out front and do you know first of all this crucial vote. Vote vote in history and this process. s what more can you tell us about where we are. What just happened at the end of this phase of his impeachment inquiry in a sign that this is moving rapidly through the House House? We we expect tomorrow is when the House Judiciary Committee will start to take the mantle of this impeachment. Push having open. Hearing which legal experts will discuss high crimes and misdemeanors and whether or not the evidence that they judicial. The Intelligence Committee found in his two month investigation about the president's handling of Ukraine policy whether or not had violated the his constitution is Oval Office. And whether it meets that threshold for impeachment 'cause Intelligence Committee make very clear that it certainly does even if it doesn't the Democrats don't outright call for the present to be removed from office. They make very clear that he is conduct. Was Unacceptable interview. Something that that violated national security something that would certainly impeachable by historical standards as they out in that in-depth report now after that House Judiciary Committee hearing expect more proceedings in that committee fall by articles impeachment. That could be voted on as soon as next week at a house floor vote as soon as the week after now Aaron. I'm also told that behind closed doors. Nancy Pelosi did not commit commit to impeaching president trump in private meetings with Democrats tonight saying that. She's still the committee. Jimmy still needs to consider the matter that could for with with her chairman of the key committees decide the next steps. You will not discuss the scope of the articles of impeachment. Nor would she commit to it exact timeline for moving forward and impeachment according to multiple sources familiar with the matter but Democrats are making no even. If they're not outright saying that the price will should be impeached. They're SORTA signaling. That are moving quickly. Could still happen before Christmas. And all right minute thank you and as I was saying the report that we have here literally literally this is it right. These are all the details. This is what they're going to use to draft articles of impeachment against President Trump. So what's in these. Three hundred pages is crucial. What do you need to Sara Murray is out front house. Democrats concluding evidence of the president's misconduct is overwhelming as lawmakers lawmakers. Take a big step forward impeaching the president by pressuring the Ukrainian President to open investigations into the Biden family and the two thousand sixteen election in exchange in for a White House meeting and security assistance. The president placed his own personal and political interests above the national interest of the United States sought to undermine the integrity equity of the US presidential election process and endangered US national security according to the newly released impeachment report. The three hundred page document expect expected to serve as the framework for articles of impeachment sharply condemned the president's efforts to block witnesses from testifying saying it would be hard to imagine a stronger oranmore complete case of obstruction than that demonstrated by the president. Since the inquiry began house intelligence chairman Adam Schiff and the other committee chairs leading the inquiry stopped short of recommending impeachment. But the sharply worded document lays the groundwork for a US president to be impeached for the third time in American history. If we don't care about this we can Dr Welby sure D- The president will be back at it doing this all over again. Other administration officials Vice President Mike Pants Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney and former Energy Secretary Rick. Perry allegedly knew of or aided the president's efforts according the report the report also accuses trump's associates of engaging in a coordinated effort to spread false narratives about Ukraine former vice president Joe Biden and then investor to Ukraine Marie Ivanovich after subpoenaing phone companies. Democrats laid out calls between a conservative journalist. The president's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani Ukrainian American businessman. Love Porn is the office of Management and Budget and Congressman Devin Nunes. Who's the top Republican on the house? Intelligence panel it is his. I think deeply concerning that at a time when the president I'd states was using the power of his office to dig up dirt on political rival. That there may be evidence that they were members of Congress complicit in that activity now our colleagues on the hill caught up with devin nunes earlier today. He refused to comment on this report other house. Republicans say they don't have any concerns about who devin nunes was talking you too Aaron. Just another look at that sharply partisan split playing out on Capitol Hill tonight. All Right Sarah. Thank you and I want to go now to democratic congressman any member of the House Intelligence Committee Congressman. Good good to talk to you sir. So this is the first time you're speaking out after getting this three hundred page report. Which you've now voted to pass along to the Judiciary Committee? What's your reaction to what is detailed failed in these three hundred pages there? I'm just very sad and seven years here. This is the saddest week I can remember as a matter of fact. I'm sad that we've come to at this point. I'm sad that we feel compelled because of the president's behavior to have to pass this report that he abused his power that he betrayed his oath of office. I'm equally if not more sadden by the fact that my friends across the aisle many of whom I believe are good people. Nonetheless are either abjectly self deluded deluded or worse beyond comprehension in terms of cynicism president. Did this he did this. He violated the law and and what did moreover was wrong. And I'm sad that we've come to this point you know the report lays out calls we did not know about Pages one hundred fifty six through one hundred and fifty nine for anyone at home. Who wants to skip to some crucial parts? It lays out a whole bunch of calls here that we did not know about involving Guiliani his indicted partner who was helping him get dirt on the Biden's and Devin newness obviously your colleague on the committee. It also shows multiple calls Giuliani. They had on these crucial days right where he's having these conversations publicly about Ukraine. He's pushing these investigations with a number shown simply as quote one quote dash one right and these calls with quote Dash One one of them is twelve minutes. One of them is almost nine and other one is almost nine. These are these are meaningful calls else. Who Do you think Giuliani was talking to? Who was number one? Probably somebody in the White House but there's lots of information here we just got what we call made a data data that is when the calls occur what their duration was. But there's lots of information that would have further. Helped US elucidate. Exactly what went on on here that the president in an unprecedented move to obstruct Congress refused to allow to be brought forward. The contents of those calls would be one because if we were allowed to talk to those people we would know exactly. I mean it was being just getting in one of these calls on on April twenty four duration. Three minutes says White House number but the others. All April twenty third or fourth of these are the longer ones eight minutes and forty two seconds eight minutes. Twenty eight seconds. Thirteen minutes Ah these are all two dash one so I'm just wondering do you think it's possible that the President United States or are you not not not comfortable. Even speculating that because it. I would be speculating at this point. Erin I don't think we need to speculate about the misdeeds here because the evidence that bears it out that there were misdeeds is overwhelming overwhelming in and of itself so these calls show Giuliani was on the phone with the White House in some way eight times just one day and that's April twenty fourth. The reason that could be so important is it's the same day that Giuliani according to the Washington Post took credit for ousting the American ambassador to Ukraine. Right a person who the president of the United States disparaged disparaged on that phone call with Ukrainian president. What does this tell you? Eight phone calls with the Boyd House on the day. Giuliani takes credit for ousting ambassador. Von It well. It tells us what we already know intuitively again for which there's overwhelming evidence that there was a long-term concerted and coordinated campaign for reasons is that I'll go to my grave not understanding to US ambassador through character. Assassination remember. He had fully the authority president trump to remove. He did not have to attempt to destroy her professor who professional and personal reputation. He chose to do that because that's his style because frankly he can be cruel and for no purpose he could have just removed. But yes rudy. Giuliani is into in this up to his neck. And we've noted all along before we go Republican senator. John Thune obviously this is going to go to the Senate as soon as the House votes on it. If you all vote to impeach. He was asked if the president should have asked Ukrainians to investigate investigate the by just the basic fact that acceptable and his. He was very careful to say that his the question here is not whether it's appropriate. It's whether it's impeachable. We can all read between the lines of what he's saying is disappointing to you. I would love to be having the debate about whether or not. The president's misdeeds are impeachable but that's not the debate we've seen even to be having the right hair because the Republicans are in mass in the house. Denying that there was anything wrong or improper. That happened they are in mass propagating this completely debunked conspiracy theory about Ukraine engaging interference in the two thousand sixteen election. Let's have the debate about whether or not this rises to the level of an impeachable offense because that's a debate. That would be healthy for America. All right thank you very much congressman. I appreciate your time you. You're welcome and next car's newness just confronted about those damning phone records. That revealed his calls with Rudy. Giuliani Giuliani's indicted Ukrainian. 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Call each other looking at these five times on April tenth which was three days after Giuliani published unproven conspiracy theories on Ukraine crane. Push them sorry on Fox News so then he has all these calls with Devin Nunes and then two days later on April twelfth. We can see your four calls made between newness Nisa and left Parnassus lead. Parnis is now indicted. One of Giuliani's associates who was digging for dirt four Juliana and the Biden's and Ukraine. So newness talking to both of these individuals. Multiple Times as theory is being publicly pushed on Fox News out front now our chief political analyst. Gloria Borger Joe Lockhart. Who was the press secretary Tori for President Clinton during his impeachment investigation and former former federal prosecutor? Laura Code so go let me start with you here. How bad does this look for? Devin newness who of course is the ranking member on the Intelligence Committee. Bullock's pretty bad. If I were a member of the House Ethics Committee first of all I would look Kintu. This and say Ask questions about refusal. Whatever the rules are governing recusals in the House of Representatives or disclosure And I would be asking a lot of questions to Devon newness about that. I don't know whether Adam Schiff was told by Devin nunes about these phone calls. I'm I'm Devin. Nunes was a key questioner during this During this committee hearings and the second thing I would worry about is the southern. The district of New York. The Southern District of New York has indicted love Parnasse Parnassus clearly trying to cut some kind of deal. So if you're an agent agent or a lawyer working for the southern district you'd say to love Parnasse. Well what is it you were talking to Devon newness about what did he want to know. Did he used his office to try and coerce you into giving him more information. I mean they're all kinds of questions. You would ask if you were lawyer. I'm not one more so she can talk about it but but those are two things that come to mind right away. I mean here's the thing. So it puts Devon UNIS in the center of this okay yes. He was a questioner and supposedly asking You know in it research questions and obviously call into question. But what's the significance of this that newness. It appears possibly help. Giuliani get dirt from Ukrainian on trump's political article rival. Right in the middle of helping him. Yeah I I'm not sure. Has that much significance as far as the impeachment proceedings. They are very very solid case for going going forward against the president. This is a whole separate thing which I think Corey puts her finger on that. The southern New York's going to be looking at these people don't have have the the Giuliani crowd. The drug dealers according to John Bolton they don't have the same protections as the president and it may be kind of the back door way to get a lot more of the details here of the theme. We already know about so so lar to this point. Okay the attorney for lead Parnis tweets today Devin Nunes. You should have recused used yourself at the outset of the house. Intelligence Committee impeachment hearings. Let Love Speak Salah when you hear about this look left parts is he clearly wants to talk and he knows a lot on okay. He knows a lot about Giuliani. Perhaps he knows a lot about the president himself because of his conversations with Rudy. Giuliani certainly about Devin. Newness I mean how big of a threat could love Aparna be well. I never dismissive somebody simply because they may be in a position to be opportunistic and certainly love. Parnell is somebody who has something everything to gain from potentially being cooperative or closing information probably putting himself in a greater light but because of his proximity to the powers that be in this case it may be has extraordinarily ordinary in for informational informative information about the idea of the role. Remember what we're here for though. The role is not about whether Devon Nunez in particular or regionally on at at this point in time or lead associate was part of the was the the central figure in the coordinated effort. It's weather the buck stopped at the president's door and a car this report Erin talks about the very coordinated effort led by and delegation beginning with the president of the United States of life partners has additional information. That's added taped the function. That says look. The president was well aware similar to what ambassador Gordon. Tomlin said that everyone knew what was up. Everyone was everyone knew about it. If he can add add to that perhaps he is better suited for the trial. If there is one right obviously on that point Joe chairmanships said today right. He's got this three hundred page report. Any details impeachable offenses it. Details abuse of power it shows a preponderance of evidence showing President United States direct. That's what it does. It's what we saw on the public hearings but chairmanship when he came out and spoke about. It said I'm actually not passing judgment yet. Okay here's what he said. I'm going to reserve any kind of public judgment government on that Until I have a chance to consult with my colleagues with our leadership And I think this really needs to be a decision station that we all make as a body so I'm going to continue to reserve judgment but yet here schiff wrapping up the impeachment hearings the final moments. This is the chairman two weeks ago when the founders provided a mechanism in the constitution for impeachment. They were worried worried about what might happen. If someone unethical took the highest office in the land and used it for their personal gain. This president believes he is above the law beyond unaccountability and in my view there is nothing more dangerous than an unethical president who believes there are above the law. So what's the strategy. Clearly he his has laid out a case and thanks to president should be. Impeached is reserving judgment. What I think you're seeing a little bit of democratic congressional politics here termine shift needs to show some deference to Chairman Nadler the Judiciary Committee who you know at the direction of Nancy Pelosi took the lead on the investigative. You're part of this and did a tremendous job. So what he's doing here is saying well. Now it goes to the next. And I'm not going to prejudge. What Chairman Nadler is going to do but what he did is he gave today's chairman Edward an exact romantic thinking? It's just go through. He's he said what happened. And how the president was involved he he said what risk it put our national security and then he said the thing that I think that peop- that he wanted to make people care about the most which is if this goes unchecked. You're going to have a White House Senate president with unlimited power. All right all of you stay with me because president trump is now declaring victory ahead of todays impeachment. Report here is we are winning. So we've ever had the spirit that we have break down. The Republican Party and trump mocks Kamala Harris for dropping out of the race Harris tonight biting back. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash four schools one national champion East boards most exciting games. The Collegiate Rocket League National Championship returns to the these sports stadium in Arlington Texas TUNIN ON TV s Friday December six at eleven pm Eastern the White House tonight slamming naming the House Intelligence Committee report that lays the groundwork for impeachment press secretary. Stephanie Grisham saying quote chairmanships report reads like the ramblings of a basement blogger bigger and. She said that just after her boss said this. We are winning show big. We had the biggest slim radi raising Ma ever only. We've ever had the spirit that we have right down the Republican blurry and be a beach hoax. What's done Jim? ACOSTA CASA is traveling with the president in London. Tonight so Jim obviously this is the public friend. It's full of superlatives. Do they have concerns. Though that you have heard behind the scenes Aaron White House officials say. They're still going over the details but I did talk to trump campaign source. Who told me there are concerns? About the president's personal attorney Rudy Juliana but as the president maintained there is no reason to worry. Mr Trump will be removed from office based on what a surface so far in this impeachment inquiry. What's in the shift reported the president and his top as as you were just mentioning are taking some very personal shots at the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee after the release of this report? Alleging that Mr trump abused the power of his office is to pressure Ukraine to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. The White House released that statement. That you just read a portion of a few moments ago but it also said in this quoting here at the. At the end of this one-sided one sided sham process chairmanship. The Democrats utterly failed to produce any evidence of wrongdoing by president trump and before the report came out. The president ripped into shift calling him quote deranged now. He also reiterated Aaron talking to reporters earlier today that he's not going to allow his acting chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney or his secretary of State Mike Pompeo. Hey Oh to participate in these house impeachment proceedings. He did hint that they would. You would allow them to participate in a Senate trial where the Republicans would obviously have work control over there But so so far the White House and this is interesting not really picking apart. The details laid out in this report. They're not offering any explanation as to why. The president's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani was was in contact with officials over at the Office of Management and budget. But I will tell you Erin. Trump campaign source said this evening. That Rudy Giuliani should be worried about what's in this report. Another trump advisor has described Giuliani to be as a quote liability but remember in recent days. Giuliani has hinted that he has quote insurance policy. In case the president turns against him and Giuliani. Of course we should better. Aaron has said he was only kidding about that. One all right thank you very much. Jim Acosta live in London. It is worth pointing out ready. Guiliani was calling the be which of course control the funds to Ukraine wisely. Juliani calling Olympi-. Anyway everyone is back with Gloria. So here's the question. Do you think president trump should be concerned after today's report and specifically specifically to Jim's reporting about Rudy. Giuliani sure and his halfway thrown him under the bus. So I think you may be all the way under the bus in in the not too distant future but of course the White House is concerned of course the president is concerned and they can downplay it all they want but this is a comprehensive report that says a couple of things that should be concerning to the White House one. This isn't just about a phone call. This is what the report calls a dramatic crescendo within within a months-long campaign driven by the president and his senior officials and they go through who they are and they include the vice president in that I would would add and they say that they were either knowledgeable or active participants in an effort to extract from a Foreign Nation The personal political Michael Benefits sought by the President and other words as Gordon. Someone put it. Everyone was in the loop and then they go through chapter and verse describing it so if I were in the White House secondly the question is not so much whether it was inappropriate may be inappropriate. But it's not impeachable. I think the the question that senators if this goes to the Senate and I believe it probably will. We'll have to ask themselves not whether it was inappropriate but whether this is actually an acceptable way for for a president to behave and the third thing in the report is stepping back. They look at history and they say well. If this president can get away with this kind of behavior what would stop any other president from doing anything corrupt if he or she thought that there would be nothing to pay for it. I mean Lara. Here's the thing vice. President Pence is mentioned in multiple times in the report for failing to provide notes to investigators and the report also says quote senior. US officials including the vice president the Secretary of state the Acting Chief of staff the Secretary of Energy and others were either knowledgeable of or active participants in an effort to extract from for nation the personal political benefits sought by the president event. What do you make of the significance of those words talking about the vice president and everybody else close to the president knowledgeable of or active participants -ticipant? And well you know. It's a shame that people are exhausted by the term collusion Erin because essentially that defines that very terminology there to suggest that you all in the loop to actually have a coordinated effort campaign to do something that would take away the power of the electorate the fact everyone's involved in and of course we all know from either watching the the public hearings hearing about the closed door proceedings or who the president and regionally on his own tweeting and other things where there's a concerted effort to stonewall as well and if if somebody is able to provide information that would exonerate you or put you in the best possible. Light would not be the person you would choose if there was a series areas of people who could betray your credibility when you put those people out there the choice not to do so and instead to say it's a stonewalling issue that we're doing it because the integrity of their processes is compromised. Maybe that would play out better here Erin. If the president were not invited to address each of these things were not addressed at able to offer that petite and talk about at these things and instead they were rejected. And that's where we are right now and why this report details frankly a classic case of stove which the president was offered and by the way other presidents. The past is president availed themselves of both President Clinton and President Nixon. Joe What do you make though of of what Democrats are doing this. So they're making a case that everybody around him new which Gordon Brown said But but when they are going so specifically at the vice president himself well I think they are trying to create the Reality that there was a massive conspiracy with the press ended up top and everyone was involved and the vice president was one of the okay players here and they know that the vice president is a key political player in this and they WanNa make sure that he doesn't he doesn't go away away Scot free but I think it's mostly to show the enormity of the conspiracy when you start going through three cabinet members the vice versa at the chief of staff the head of the ownby and then this shadowy group run by Rudy Giuliani. You see a conspiracy and see the president at the top of it and Laura when you hear John Thune Senator John Thune say And it was interesting because Congressman Denny said basically. I'd be thrilled to have John Thune. Point of view from Republicans because the Republicans in the house are denying that anything wrong happened whereas all John Thune is saying is. I'm not going to talk about whether it's appropriate. I'm just want to talk about whether it's impeachable. What do you hear in here? John Thune who previously been critical of the president and sort of backed off that a little bit. Come out and say that well. I hear two things in Rwanda that the president's words are are very impactful to people who are worried perhaps about reelection or their position and Republicans -ociety perhaps but I also had the notion that look because this particular inquiry is so narrowly early focused. It leaves a little bit of room for people to not have to You difficult decision of saying we're going to look at its entirety. There's a reason why Democrats are reluctant to bring up. Perhaps everything in the report looking at this very very narrow focus. I think he sees a way to get out and wiggle out without having to compromise zone integrity further. All right. Thank you you all very much and next the House Judiciary Committee. Hey this is in their hands and they are the ones who read it and then draft the articles of impeachment against the President of the United States Donald Trump. So what will those articles be. Plus trump ridicules comma Harris for putting the race and Harris. Isn't taking tonight going on guys. I'm Mike Sherman founder and director of China. Listen to friends and family. A podcast. The architects in Chinatown market. And the only show where athletes artists and designers create exclusive works together on every episode was gone basketball fans as channing. Suraya catch me and tasks everyone's nine NBA TV on our new show. Hannah's bringing you the best of social media and the Bass was we've got you covered tune in the handles everyone's Wednesday night on MTV Mba. We're just hours away from the house. Judiciary Committee first impeachment hearing tomorrow's testimony coming. Ming is the House Intelligence Committee releases that three hundred page report arguing. There's overwhelming evidence of misconduct and abuse of power by President Trump. So this sets the stage age for potential impeachment vote before Christmas out right now Democratic Congressman David Cellini. Who Sits on the house? Judiciary Committee so congressman This is This is now yours. These three hundred pages are are yours. What how does this report impact hearing tomorrow well are hearing tomorrow is focuses really on the legal standard? That is what the terms bribery high crimes. Misdemeanor mean what is the context in which are founders adopted articles of impeachment of provisions in the Constitution that provide articles of impeachment. And I think what we're GONNA learn in the hearing tomorrow is that our founders. Were principally worried about foreign interference abuse of power. We had just won the war of independence and we wanted to prevent a president from behaving or she was above the law. And so I think tomorrow is GonNa be an important time to understand what these legal terms mean what these constitutional provisions need what the context for the enactment of these provisions in the Constitution Futian. So we'll have legal scholars that are going to walk us through the both the history and the legal standard and very important as we look at the facts and then and have to apply this legal standard. We're beginning that process with this hearing tomorrow more about the process but because you mentioned the legal experts The trump campaign as you know is now digging into do the background of the law professors. Who are going to testify tomorrow? Two of them are registered. Democrats one of those donated to Elizabeth Warren. This year I I would presume you knew all that coming in were you. Were you comfortable with the criticism that you knew was gonNA come by choosing those individuals agree. No that the individuals that are coming before the committee are renowned legal scholars constitutional experts from very respected universities with lots of scholarship. And Look. This is a pattern. The president he has attacked the credibility of the background of witnesses routinely. They attacked individuals who have served in uniform. They've attacked great patriots. The Foreign Service in the intelligence community. This is nothing new. This is an effort to distract from welby very serious testimony about bribery. High crimes and misdemeanors. And how those terms apply to the conduct of the president of the United States so on October. Twenty four th Before the public testimony you said to CNN that Democrats were having. Discussions sends about what articles of impeachment would look like. Where do those discussions stand now? No I think what I said is there have been a numbers have been been thinking about it. If in fact we proceed with articles of impeachment. What those might look like? We've not begun that deliberative process and the Judiciary Committee. We've just received a report tonight from the Intelligence Committee. We obviously had had engaged in our own inquiry with respect to the contents of the mullahs report. Tomorrow will begin the hearing on the legal standard and the constitutional provision but the committee hasn't yet begun a discussion about whether or not we will move forward articles of impeachment. And if we decide to do that we're just not there. Where do you stand now? And you're thinking obviously the the intelligence report we have today is about Ukraine right. It's only about Ukraine. And that's what you're you're considering however you could include articles of impeachment on the Muller Report Right Right on obstruction. Whatever it might be from there? Where do you stand personally on that? Do you keep this on Ukraine or do you now say look. Let's put it all out there. I I think what we have is a pattern by this president of putting his own financial personal and political interests ahead of the public interest. And we have a lot of evidence in a lot of different contexts that demonstrate that I think the committee will have to make a judgment if we decide to move forward articles of impeachment where we keep it kind of narrow or keep it limited the Ukraine scandal or include other things. I think that's really a judgment call for the committee after again. There's a thorough review of the intelligence committee report and a really deep understanding of what the provision of the Constitution provide. So I haven't made a judgment which of those I think is the right path. I think that that discussion will happen. If and when we decide to draft articles congressman. Andy Biggs On Your Committee. He says there's going to be a bunch of brawlers That it's GonNa get hot and feisty sort of making a joke of it but but implying that it's going to be. It's going to be aggressive tomorrow. Jim Jordan is going to be there. We saw him in the house. Intelligence Committee along with others Do you think this is going to happen. Do you expect Republicans to try to disrupt it. We've seen the Republicans have done everything they can to distract from the deadly serious nature of this inquiry. This is about the president of the United States asking a foreign power to interfere in American presidential election to undermine the national security of the United States to undermine the integrity of our elections and abuse is office. These are very very very serious allegations however. We've seen our republican colleagues time and time again behave more like the the defense lawyer. Donald trump than an independent part of another branch of government charged with oversight. So I hope tomorrow will be different. I don't think we should expect it but I think it will be a very serious here in terms of the legal scholarship and we certainly can't ah count for how they'll behave all right. Thank you very much I appreciate your time and knacks Kamala Harris is spectacular rise and fall. What went wrong? Got Some of her answers wrong. Didn't know where she stood on important issues backtracked. That was a former staffer and revealing new details. Tonight about out why this relationship so fraught can't get enough of the NBA sign up for NBA League pass to gain gain access to every game being played across the association every night with all new ways to watch through the NBA APP Visit Mba dot com or the NBA APP. To get started today. People who are really dying. Don't keep bringing it up. Is that true. I don't know I'm just usually around people that die faster. Good Morning Sundays at eleven. Thirty only on adult swim tonight. Kamala Harris are sending her campaign with final words for president trump. The President Mocking Harris tweeting after she dropped out of the race. Too Bad. We'll miss you Comma California senator responding within minutes. It's don't worry Mr President I'll see you at your trial. Referring to the Senate. Impeachment Harris had surged to the top of the pack before plunging in the polls. So what happened can Chunghwa out front. It is with deep regret but also with deep gratitude that I am suspending. Our campaign today Senator Senator Kamala Harris announced the sudden end to what began as a campaign of potential and promise at her launching January. Thousands thousands packed downtown Oakland California. Let's do this and attention. Grabbing Moment Harris would have another at the first first democratic debate when she launched an attack on former vice president Joe Biden on his opposition to federally mandated busing to desegregate schools decades ago. There was a little girl in California. Who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bused to school every day and now a little girl was me? Pool numbers soared those campaign. Highs would it. Last Harris struggled to stay clear position in a crowded the Democratic field on healthcare. She seemed to say she would get rid of private insurance. Let's eliminate all of that. Let's move on then. She backtracked in the context of saying. Let's get rid of all the bureaucracy. Let's get all of the way not the insurance companies and then a lack of clarity on her message shifting from one central we'll theme to the next talking about my three am agenda. Justice is on the ballot in twenty twenty. And that's why I'm running for president. The cost piled up waller poll numbers plummeted Harris. Refocus on Iowa just weeks ago projecting confidence. Listen we're going to live in highland. She was getting some good advice at some point in this campaign but she followed it up with flops. She got some of her answers wrong. Didn't know where she stood on. Important issues backtracked guild. Iran was a senior adviser for Harris when she was California's attorney. General sources tell C. N. N. The campaign suffered from infighting her versus sister. Maya was a campaign chair. Sharing a leadership. Role with campaign manager of Juan Rodriguez leading to confusion among the ranks. If you can't find a way to resolve tensions between one of your longtime aids and your own family member then it's not clear why you should be put in charge of a lot more than that. I think the country was ready for a leader like Carmela Camila Harris. I don't think Kamala Harris was ready to lead the country but she's young and we haven't seen the last supper now. Harris is California's. US A senator by dropping out now before December twenty six deadline her name will not appear on the primary ballot in California thereby Erin potentially avoiding thing an embarrassing loss in her home state which she certainly wants to do with her political ambitions. Thank you so much and next the unusual relationship between the two women who have president trump's gear. I can many advices candidate in my opinions and I share them. newham like everybody in Palm Beach. No no one knows how he made happening in buttoning my short and pulling my body onto already naked Kabbadi faster than I could pay for sixteen years. I've reported on Jeffrey. Epstein's the man the multi-millionaire the monster now go behind the story with me Vicky Hurst of CNN's new podcast. The Jeffrey Epstein. I knew subscribe now wherever you get. Your pod costs Hi Everyone Poppy Harlow here. You may be a founder with a visionary idea an employee we had a young startup or at a big company. 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Ivanka trump and his Cape Bennett reports. It's complicated. The unprecedented describes most things about the Donald Trump administration one unique element the presence of the president's daughter. Ivanka trump and her relationship elation ship to first lady melania trump glamorous stepmother and stepdaughter since two thousand and five but it was two thousand sixteen during the trump presidential the campaign my father Donald J trump win the dynamic between the two women shifted to politics most times on the campaign pain trail. Hello Iowa Milania trump not interested in doing traditional spousal appearances so it was Ivanka trump as surrogate who who stepped into the role. Or just WanNa thank you because staying on as the female phase of the administration and the family after trump became president this is the first. US government all of government approach to empowering women in the developing world taking on as senior senior adviser some of the more traditional first lady issues involving Women Childcare Credit and female entrepreneurship real power. Ivanka and she would call and say Daddy. You don't understand your students. You're creating an on dynamic switching teaching off front-seat backseat as the two women. In Trump's orbit a relationship that one source with knowledge of the relationship says has created a quote cordial but not close lows dynamic and at times friction there are similarities that have reportedly caused static. Special Place Never Forgot Malania Johny. At trump's first big solo trip was to Africa and Ivanka's first big Solo trip was also to Africa. Malania trump was the first introduced highly. He produced many videos of her events for public consumption. Ivanka now makes her own short films with voiceovers and music on trips with trump when Melania goes vodkas profile diminishes when. She doesn't Mike Beauty and the beast. Ivanka often steps forward in a way splitting the traditional norms but sharing one key component. IBP Many advices. But you know sometimes he listens something she does and and they both have the ear of the president. I'm candidate in my opinion. I share them solicited or otherwise. Kate Bennett. CNN Washington thrilled. And we're starting to check out Kate Bennett's new book free Milania. Thanks for joining us. AC three sixty starts now shop. The Omaha steaks stake cyber Monday sale all week long and save on delicious and memorable gifts L.. Enjoy throughout the holiday season this week. podcast listeners can get the favored gift package pitch for. Just sixty nine ninety nine when you go to Omaha steaks DOT COM and type out front in the search bar. 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"I'm Elena Kagan and this is the law fair podcast. Bonus edition December Ninth Two Thousand Nineteen in American Day. The House Judiciary Committee heard testimony money from committee staff. Berry Burke Daniel Goldman and Stephen Caster the hearing was contentious and filled with interruptions. But we cut out all the grandstanding and theatrics Batra to leave you with just the questions and answers that you need to hear. It's the law fair podcast. Bonus edition the House Intelligence Committee versus the Judiciary Committee with Noble. Thank you Mr Chairman ranking member Collins and all the members before I had the great honor of being a council this committee Eddie. My young son asked me a question. He said Dad. Does the president have to be a good person like many questions a young children. It had a certain clarity but it was hard to answer I said son. It is not a requirement that the president be a good person but that is the hope and it is not a requirement that the president be a good person. That is not why we are here today. That is not the issue but the very document that created the awesome presidency and its powers that we have made clear here. It is a requirement that the president be a person who does not abuse his power. It is a requirement that the president be a a person who does not risk national security of this nation and the integrity of our elections in order to further his own reelection prospects. It is a requirement that the president not be a person who acts as though he is above the law and putting his his personal and political interests above the nation's interests that is the lesson of the constitution that is the lesson of the founders they. We're concerned that someone would be elected president. who had used all the power of that office to serve his own personal interests at the the expense of the people who elected him? They decided there needed to be a remedy because they had suffered the abuses of king. George were they had no remedy the the remedy they they impose was that if a president commits a grave offense a high crime or misdemeanor beater. This body has the power to impeach that president they wanted to ensure that a president could not serve his own interests over that of the nation it flows from the very oath that all members of this body must take to support and defend the constitution and bear true faith and allegiance to the same. That is why we are here today. And it is an an unfortunate occasion that these proceedings are necessary but the president's actions have left no choice. The founders were very clear and spill out what they saw to be the greatest abuses that would raise the most concerns for our nation. They spelled them out as warning signals. That if a president violated or committed one of these that would be a reason to potentially impeach that president they were abusive power betrayal the national interest corruption of elections and what is so extraordinary is the conduct. We're going to be talking talking about today of president. Trump didn't violate one of these but all three I. The evidence is overwhelming whelming that the president abused his power by President by pressuring Ukraine and its new president to investigate a political opponent the evidence it's is overwhelming that the president abused his power by ramping up that pressure by conditioning a wanted White House beating and they we needed military aid that had been approved in order to get that president to investigate a political rival it is clear and overwhelming that an abusing that power the president betrayed the national interest by putting his own political prospects over the national security of our country. It is clear that the president risk corrupting our elections actions by inviting foreign interference to knock out an adversary to help us prospects in reelection. It is y. and debating the constitution. James Madison warned that because the presidency was to be administered by a single man his corruption might be fatal to the Republic in the scheme by President Trump was so brazen so clear supported by documents. Actions sworn testimony testimony uncontradicted contemporaneous records. That it's hard to imagine that anybody could dispute those act. Wchs let alone argue that that conduct does not constitute an impeachable offense or offenses. This is a big deal. President trump did what a president of our nation is not allowed to do. It is why last week the constitutional scholar professor. Michael Gerhardt Hart said if what we're talking about is not impeachable. Then nothing is impeachable. President President. Trump's actions are impeachable offenses. They threaten our rule of law. They threaten our institutions and as James Madison warned warned us they threaten our republic. Let me begin where we must with the facts and evidence i. It's important to understand and why Ukraine was so important to our national security Ukraine was under attack by its aggressive and hostile neighbour Russia. They had already encroached on its territories. The Ukraine was at great risk that Russia would again take further territory or try. Europe had a stake in this. And so did we. I'm going to turn to an expert on this ambassador. Taylor who is one of the most highly decorated diplomats and recognize diplomats for over forty years served our country honorably and he was appointed by president trump himself to be in charge of the US embassy in Ukraine the Russians are violating all the rules treaties. Understandings that they committed to that actually. He kept the peace in Europe for nearly seventy years. That rule of love that order kept the peace in Europe and allowed for prosperity as well as peace in Europe was violated by the Russians. It affects the world that we live in and our children will grow up in our grandchild. This affects the kind of world that we want to to see evolve. That is ambassador Taylor. Explaining why Ukraine was so important in explaining why the president's actions so significantly risked hurting our national security Our National Defense Policy and our national interest. Now you've already heard. There is significant proof that president trump himself told the new president of Ukraine train presidents. Alinsky that he wanted him to investigate a political rival former vice president Joe Biden. And you'll hear a lot about that today but that proof is only the tip of the Iceberg Berg. There are so many more events and meetings and contemporaneous text messages emails. Other documents. That show. This happened and happened exactly really as it is alleged and it is clear that in the scheme to pressure Ukraine to investigate a political rival. The person at the center of that scheme was president. Donald trump the facts cannot be disputed. President trump use the powers of government for a domestic political Aaron Orrin to put his political interest above that of the nation. I'm going to turn to another expert. Witness Dr Fiona Hill the National Security Council Senior Director in the the trump administration. And she's going to explain what happened but it struck me one yesterday when you put up on the screen ambassador Sunderland's emails and who was on these emails and he said these people you need to do that. He was absolutely right because he was being involved in a domestic political errant and we we were being involved in national security foreign policy and there are still things had just diverged. And that tells you what the evidence shows as the president put his own domestic political interests over the nation's national security and foreign policy a president cannot abuse his his power to secure an election. He cannot do that at the expense of the American people. That is an impeachable offense. The president has tried to make excuses for his conduct why it's not wrongful or corrupt an abuse of power but the truth holds together. It makes sense is consistent with the evidence when someone is offering. Excuse that is not true. It is not consistent with the evidence it does is not make sense. It cannot be squared with what the facts show and you will see these excuses. Do not make sense. The facts are clear earlier. The president trump put his own political and personal interests over the nation's interest. Like to go through what you were going to see about the president's scheme and you're going to hear about today from the facts that we have I you're gonNA hear ear that president trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani pushed Ukraine to open an investigation of his political rival. Mr Giuliani prior to the July. Twenty fifth. Call he made public statements. That Ukraine should investigate the vice former vice president Joe Biden. He tweeted about it putting pressure on the new WHO President He. He went to Ukraine and later went again with the assist and direction of US officials who were told to aid the president's personal title lawyer on the president's behalf you'll hear that president trump told his aides that he was is relying on for Ukraine that he wanted them to quote. Talk to Rudy. What you're going to hear is that his close advisers had just gotten back on May twenty third from the inauguration of the new president presents Alinsky they told president trump we were impressed? He was elected on an anti-corruption corruption platform of reform platform. You should schedule a White House meeting. It's very important. This is very good for the United States. And the president's response was talk to rudy. who had been out there? Claiming the Ukraine Ukrainian president had to do was investigated his political rival. You'll hear that president trump's advisers told presidents alinsky that president trump would not schedule the one White House meeting unless he announced a Ukrainian investigation of former Vice President Biden. They're documents they're sworn testimony. This happened and there is no question from the evidence that the president did this and presidents Alinsky desperately needed a White House meeting both the show Russia that the US was still supporting Ukraine and for his own credibility as a new president. You'll hear then to ramp up the pressure. What president trump did is he told his agencies to withhold military Tori insecurity aid that had been approved and was supposed to be released to Ukraine hundreds of millions of dollars in order to put more pressure on Ukraine all the agencies sees involved State Department Fence Department National Security Council said it should be released that had been approved it was going to be released until president trump personally stopped it and again contemporaneous evidence and documents show it and proven people said that they were shocked? Ambassador Taylor said he was in astonishment. Men witnesses said that it was illogical to do this and the president never offered an explanation but ultimately it was discovered why he did it then on the the July twenty fifth call. President trump explicitly told them he wanted to conduct he wanted into two Ukrainian investigations one of a US citizen and his political arrival and the other about the origins of the interference in the two thousand sixteen election. Some conspiracy theory that Russia who all the intelligence agencies disagreed interfered with the two thousand sixteen election that may be was Ukraine again. Another investigation intended to help the president politically that is it. And you know the president cared about the investigations that would help him politically and not Ukraine and not the national security interest. And you don't have to take my word. I'm going to play something from David Holmes who had worked in the US embassy in Ukraine and was speaking to Ambassador Sunlen who donald WHO president trump appointed jointed vassar son. That had just come to the Ukraine on the twenty six he met with presidents Alinsky. He went to a restaurant with Mr Holmes the US political affairs counselor in Ukraine and he called call president trump on his cell phone. Mr Holmes could hear that call and then he spoke to Mr Solomon. Let's see what happened on July twenty six the day after that call. I heard ambassador. Sahlin greet read the president and explaining was calling from Keefe. I heard President Trump and clarify that embassador song was in Ukraine. Bassil replied yes. He was in Ukraine and went onto stayed read. The president's alinsky quote loves her ASS. I didn't hurt president trump. Ask so he's going to investigation ambassador Song replied and that he's going to do it adding presence Alinsky. We'll do anything ask him to do. That is sworn testimony by David. Holmes heard it from the president himself and it was clear to everyone the most experienced people in government who donald trump himself appointed their positions. They knew what was going on. Let's look at a text message from Ambassador Taylor Round this time on September ninth. He said as I said got on the phone. I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign again that is president trump putting his own political and personal interests over the nation's interest to hold aid desperately needed by Ukraine in order A to combat Russia and show the support. He did it to help his own campaign now. There have been excuses offered by the president. I'd like to briefly talk about those excuses. The first excuse offered by president trump is that the aid was ultimately ultimately released and president trump met with Mr Lewis Alinsky. We we heard it today. The challenge with that though as an excuse is the aid was only released. After president trump got caught doing this scheme on September number nine. The committees of this House started their investigation and announced. They were investigating his conduct with regard to Ukraine. Two days later was when he released the aid and he also there also was a news article which will talk about in a moment by the Washington Post on September fifth exposing his scheme and it was only after that that he met with Mr with presidents ends Alinsky not in the White House but in New York another excuse offered. The president was motivated by General corruption concerns and again again. The evidence shows that is not true. That that's what caused him to withhold. The president's Alinsky in fact was elected on an anti-corruption platform. He was a reform candidate. His zone people told him again and again presence. Alinsky is a hope. He's doing it the right way. They urged him just be supportive on his call with presence Alinsky on July twenty fifth. President trump ignored the talking points that were prepared to talk about corruption. He only wanted to talk about two things. The two investigations that helped him in politically every intelligence agency unanimously supported releasing aid to Ukraine. That it was appropriate. They did a study a corruption study. They said release it. The the White House never provided an explanation. The aided already been approved and it was not for anti corruption issues that President President trump withheld it. The next is Ukraine was not pressured and the argument about that as well today. They haven't said they were pressured. We'll Ukraine was pressure after then and still is pressured. They are desperately in need of the of the United States support as they battle the threat of Russia so of course they have to be careful what they said but contemporaneous documents emails tax from the Ukrainian officials themselves. Show the pressure. They felt show. They knew what the president trump was doing showed what they had to do you. This is one from Bill Taylor to again. Embassador learn saw linen. Kurt and ambassador. Kurt Volker borden one thing. I talked about yesterday with Sasha Russia Donald Duck a senior aide to President Zilenski point that presidents Alinsky is sensitive about Ukraine. Be Taken seriously not mere merely an instrument in Washington domestic reelection politics. They not only felt the pressure. They got the message. They were not going to get a White House meeting. They were ultimately not going to get military create unless they furthered president. Trump's reelection efforts that is a corrupt abuse of power another argument. That's that's made is that trump never said quid pro quo. And what you're gonNA hear is on a call with embassador sunlen. After a the Washington Post article came out on September fifth which we will look at after that there was a Washington Post article that came out that again exposed the Ukrainian Ian Scheme days after that president trump was on a phone call with embassador sunland without prompting said there was no pro quo because he got caught so he's offering his defense but even ambassador Sunlen in sworn testimony by it because ultimately then president trump not only was was not dissuaded. He again describe what he wanted. He didn't want Ukraine. Actually conduct these investigations. He wanted to and then to announce investigations of his political critical rival to help him politically he continued. And you'll hear more about that again. None of these excuses hold any water and they air refuted by testimony contemporaneous records and more now. Some have suggested that we should wait to proceed with these impeachment proceedings because we've not heard from all of the witnesses are obtained all the documents but the reason we have not heard from all the witnesses or documents is because president trump himself has obstructed. The investigation directed his most senior aides. Who are involved in some of these events not to come testify? Why to defy subpoenas told every one of his agency's with records and could be relevant not to produce those records to us to try to obstruct our investigation and now this is evidence that president trump is replaying the playbook used in the Prior Department of Justice investigation the Gatien in that investigation? He directed his White House. Counsel to create a false phony record and document and lie denying that president trump had told him to fire the special counsel. He did many other things to try to interfere with that investigation. He attacked the investigators and witnesses and called them. Horrible horrible names justice he is done here and president trump thought he got away with it. On July twenty fourth was the day that special special counsel the special counsel testified before this committee and the House Intelligence Committee the twenty fourth. It was exactly the following day. The twenty fifth that President Trump spoke to presidents Alinsky in furtherance of his Ukrainian scheme. He thought he got away with it. Not only that he thought he could. I use his powers to interfere with that investigation so he could do what he wanted. He could act like he was above the law. And if he got caught he would again use his powers to try to obstruct the investigation instigation and prevent the facts from coming out. And that's exactly what he did but fortunately fortunately because of the true American patriots. Let's who came forward to testify. Despite the threats by President against the people who worked in his own administration they told the story Ori They on their own produce documents that provide uncontrovertible clear and overwhelming evidence. That president trump did this skiing eighteen. He put his political reelection interest over the nation's national security and the integrity of its elections. He did it intentionally. Essentially he did it corruptly. He abused his powers in ways that the founders feared the most no person in this country has the ability to prevent investigations and neither does the president our Constitution does not allow it. No one is above the law. Not even the president and one of the concerns and requirements of finding impeachable digital fences. There an urgency. Is there a sense that you have to move. Could be repeated. Well again I all the constitutional experts who testified justify recognized that obstructing an investigation is an impeachable offense. But here the offense we're talking about. It's being interfered obstructed with is interfering with very election. That's coming up and I submit to you given what happened. The Department of Justice investigation given. What's happening here? If in fact president trump can get away with what he did again. Our imagination is the only limit to what president trump may do next. What a future president? May they do next to try to abuse his or her power to serve his own personal interest over the nation's interest. I'd like to turn back to what the founders most cared about the ABC's of of potential presidential abuses. It is extraordinary that the president's conduct was was a trifecta checking all three boxes. Let's begin with abuse of power. What that means? It's to use use the power of the office to obtain an improper personal benefit while ignoring her injuring the national interest or acts in ways that are grossly mostly inconsistent with and undermine the separation of powers that is the foundation of our democratic system. Now these this question. I should've whether president engage in abusive power. Came up before when this Congress considered the impeachment of President Nixon and after actually was taken President Nixon famously said if the president does it it is not illegal and this body rejected that because that's not so that goes directly contrary to what the founder said but President Trump has said the same thing in responding to the prior investigation by Department of Justice and defending his conduct. Here's what he said then. I have an article to where I have the right to do whatever I want as president that he has the right to do whatever he wants. President that is as wrong as when president. Nixon said a similar thing that is not what the Constitution provides that is now with the country demands. He does not have the right to do whatever he wants. Turning to the second abuse of power most concerned betrayal the nation of autumn foreign powers. The American people have suffered that foreign influence. When president trump treated military aid that had been approved wbt tax payers dollars and decided to treat it as his own checkbook? Try to further his own. re-election chances that had reflects what the founders were concerned about and finally corruption of our elections the framers knew that corrupt leaders or leader's acting corruptly concentrate their powers to manipulate elections and undercut adversaries. They talked talked about it frequently. That is why the framers thought electoral treasury particularly evolving foreign powers was a critical abuse and that could support and lead to impeachment impeachment. Now the American people learn last election. How dangerous foreign intervention or elections can be let me show another clip from President from candidate trump on the on the campaign trail Russia? If you listening I hope you're able to find and the thirty thousand emails. That are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded. Mightily by our press in Russia was listening within approximately five hours. Five hours of president. Trump's invitation to Russia. Uh Do interfere in our election by trying to hack and obtain the emails of his political opponent. Russian fact tried to do that for the first first time the very officers who then indicted by the Department of Justice for that conduct they took candidate trumps. Invitation now the American people learned a lesson. President trump unfortunately apparently learned at different lesson. Let's look well. I would think that if they were honest about it that Dr two major investigation to divide is a very simple answer. They should investigate the by so this was president trump answering question about what did he want prisons Linski to do so even after he got caught he is saying again. This vulnerable nation dependent on US support militarily and otherwise again. He's telling them what to do. And unlike in two thousand sixteen when he only had a campaign platform which extend the invitation to a foreign power now he has is the levers of government in his control to not only request it and invited to pressure that country to do it. And that's exactly what he did and you'll hear more about that in the presentation for the House Intelligence Committee and what's most striking as we come back to this issue that the framers were concerned about. Is there continuing wrist of wrongdoing. The fact that president trump did this after he was caught shows. The risk shows the risk risk of what will happen. If this body doesn't act. He really does believe he can act as though he were above the law he really does believe as evidenced by this conduct duct that he can put his personal and political interests over the nation's interest over the nation's national security interests over the nation's nations integrity of its elections. So of course we do have an election election coming up. That's not a reason to postpone this discussion. That's a reason we must have this discussion to make sure it is not interfered with to make sure this president doesn't do it to make sure future future presidents. Do not do it. It is the hope that in these discussions discussions can put aside political rancor disagreements and have a fair discussion about the fax six and this conduct not just as it relates to president trump but as to the presidency itself and future presidents. My son our children our grandchildren. They will study this moment in history. They will read all of your remarks they will learn about all of your actions and that is not a reason to vote for or against impeachment for that of course you must vote your conscience but that is a reason for us to have a fair debate about what the undisputed facts show to recognize that it is wrong it is very wrong and cannot happen again with this president or any president. It is a reason to talk about whether we we want our children and grandchildren to live in a country where the president elected by the people can put his own personal and political interests interests over the interests of the people who elected them. It is a reason for these debates to gin fairly focus on the facts and to make sure the presentations we're going to hear will not distort the record focus on process points raise extraneous matters. What is that really are intended to distract rather than focus on what the conduct was at issue here? It is a reason to focus on on the facts and what is in the country's best interest history future generations will be the judge morning Chairman Nadler ranking member Collins members of the Committee Mitty and members of the staff. My Name's Steve Caster. I'M A congressional staff. Member served with the Oversight Committee on the Republican staff with Mr Jordan also also for purposes of this investigation shared staffer with the Judiciary Committee. Mr Collins and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and Mr Nunez. It sure is a typical for a staffer to be presenting again. Thanks for having me the purpose of this hearing as we understand it is to discuss whether President Donald J trump's conduct fits the definition of high crime and misdemeanor. It does not such. The committee should consider articles of impeachment to remove the president it from office and it should not this case in many respects comes down day. Eight lines in a call transcript. Let me say clearly and unequivocally you that the answer to that question is no the record in the Democrats impeachment inquiry does not show that president trump abused the power of his office or obstructed. Congress to impeach. President who sixty three million people voted for over eight lines in call transcript is Baloney. Democrats seek to impeach President Trump. Not because they have evidence of high crimes or misdemeanors but because they disagree with his policies. This impeachment inquiry is not the organic outgrowth of serious misconduct. Democrats have been searching for FACS in which to impeach President Trump since his inauguration association on January Twentieth Two Thousand Seventeen just twenty seven minutes. After the president's inauguration day the Washington Post ran a story that the campaign pain to impeach. The president has already begun. The article reported Democrats and Liberal. Activists are mounting broad opposition to styming trump's agenda and noted that impeachment strategists leave the constitution's emoluments clause would be vehicle in the first. There's two years the Administration Democrats House introduced articles of impeachment to remove President Trump from office on several very different factual basis on January third. The very first day of the new Congress Congressman Sherman introduced articles of impeachment against the president the same day representative to lead said. WE'RE GONNA go in there. We're going to impeach the president in May Twenty nine thousand nine hundred representative Green said on MSNBC. If we don't impeach this president he will be reelected even and Speaker Pelosi who has said that impeachment is a somber and prayerful exercise has called president trump an impostor and said it is dangerous To allow voters to judge his performance in two thousand. Twenty the obsession with impeaching. The president is reflected in house. Democrats have used. I used the power of their majority in the past seven months. In the Oversight Committee the Democrats I announced witness was Michael Cohen disgraced felon who was who pleaded pleaded guilty to line to Congress when he came before us at the oversight committee he then lied again as many as eight times oversight committee. Democrats demanded information about the president's personal finances and even subpoenaed the presidency accounting firm for large swaths of sensitive and personal personal financial information about the entire trump family. The subpoena was issued over the objection of Committee. Republicans and without a vote in the ways and Means Committee. Democrats demanded the president's personal tax. Return information the reason. They cited for wanting the president's tax returns turns they said was to oversee the IRS audit process for presidential tax returns. You can judge for yourself in the Financial Services Committee. Democrats demanded and subpoenaed the President's bank records going back ten years the Financial Services Committee staff the Republicans. Tell for me the information demanded would cover every withdrawal credit card. Swipe we're debit card. Purchase of every member of the trump family including his minor child. The reason that the Democrats gave for why they needed such voluminous and intrusive personal information about the trump family was get this financial industry compliance CI- With Banking Statutes and regulations here in the Judiciary Committee. Democrats sent out letters letters. Demanding information from over eighty recipients fooding. The president's children business partners employees his campaign campaign businesses foundation or the main event for the Judiciary Committee was the report. A special counsel Muller which Democrats would believed Steve would serve as the evidentiary basis for impeaching the president despite interviewing five hundred witnesses issuing twenty eight hundred subpoenas executing almost five hundred search warrants and spending twenty five million dollars the special counsels news. One thousand nine hundred attorneys and forty. FBI agents analysts and staff found no conspiracy or coordination between the trump campaign the Russian government after the trump Russia collusion allegations did not pan out. Democrats focused their efforts on obstruction of justice. They criticized attorney general bar for concluding that no crime of obstruction had occurred in special counsel investigation but in fact was entirely the appropriate for the attorney. General make that call because the special counsels declined to do so not surprisingly the Democrats Muller hearing was underwhelming to say released and the sequel with Corey Lewandowski definitely did not move the impeachment needle either. The Intelligence Committee to was heavily invested invested in the Russia Collusion Investigation Committee. Democrats hired former federal prosecutors to prepare for their anticipated efforts to impeach the president. Now that the Russian collusion allegations did not work out. Democrats have settled on the Ukraine phone. Call eight lines. The president uttered on July twenty-fifth with Ukrainian president so Lansky the Foreign Affairs Committee. The committee of jurisdiction wasn't the committee leaving the impeachment inquiry or holding hearings either was the Oversight Committee Houses Chief Investigative Entity the Judiciary Committee. He was only recently brought back into the mix after finding concluded instead. The impeachment inquiry was run by the House. Intelligence Committee and these former Federal Prosecutors Prosecutors Democrats intelligence committee ran the impeachment inquiry in a manifestly unfair way. All the fact-finding was unclassified ossified and that was made clear at the top of every single deposition but the Democrats took advantage of the closed door process in the capital basement. Bunker the skiff gift to control access to information secrecy effectively weaponized the investigation allowing misleading public narrative. Art Form and catch hold with careful leaks of witness testimony. Democrats refuse to invite Republican witnesses and directed witnesses called by the Democrats not not answer our questions. In the public hearings. Many of these unfair processes continued Democrats refused to invite numerous witnesses. Requested by Republicans interrupted Republican questioning and prevented witnesses from answering Republican questions. Democrats voted down by virtue of emotion to table with no notice subpoenas for documents and testimony requested by Republicans. I'll note that Democrats never once brought got any of their subpoenas to a vote before the intelligence committee. This unfair process reflects the degree to which Democrats are obsessed with impeaching the president. The Democrats went searching for a set of facts on which to impeach the president. The emoluments clause the president's business and financial records the report allegations of obstruction before landing on the Ukraine phone call. The impeachment inquiry is clearly an orchestrated effort to up and our political system. According to politico the speaker has tightly scripted every step of the impeachment inquiry Democrats have reportedly convene focus groups to test which allegations whether it be quid pro quo or bribery or extortion. Russian were most compelling to the American Public Speaker. Pelosi said Democrats must strike while the iron is hot on teaching. The president under the entire duration of the impeachment inquiry from the dime Speaker Pelosi announced it on September twenty fourth until today has been seventy six six days. As professor Turley testified last Wednesday. This impeachment would stand out among modern impeachments. As the shortest proceeding with the thinnest evidentiary record and the narrowest grounds ever used to impeach president. The artificial and arbitrary political deadline by which Democrats are determined to finish impeachment by Christmas leads to a rush process and and missed opportunities to obtain relevant information. Democrats avoided the accommodations process required by federal courts in disputes between Congress and the Executive Democrats declined to attempt to negotiate with the administration for the production of documents and witnesses. Democrats did not exhaust all their options to entice witnesses or agencies to cooperate such is allowing witnesses to appear with agency lawyers or initiating contempt proceedings seatings sometimes the threat of contempt preceding. Gets you a different results. Sometimes the witnesses choose to appear when contempt is on the table. Democrats withdrew subpoenaed one witness. who asked a federal court to resolve conflicting orders from Congress and the executive either because the Democrats did not want to wait for the court to rule where they didn't like the presiding judge Judge Leon instead? Democrats made their demands and refused to budge. Democrats told witnesses. The outset that their refusal to cooperate in full would be used against them and the president. Democrats threatened federal employees that their salaries could be withheld for not meeting committee demands. These tactics are fundamentally unfair and counterproductive a productive for gathering information in any serious inquiry. This rushed take it or leave it. Approach to investigating is contrary to how L. Successful Congressional Investigations Typically Work Congressional investigations. Take Time. There is no easy button. Uh In this job you must take the information that's offered even if you don't like the terms you should not say no to taking a witness's testimony because you would prefer the agency council is not present if that's the only means of obtaining the testimony you should take it your priority must not be on blocking information out. It must be on seeking information in all recent major congressional investigations for example Chairman Goodlatte and Gatti's as investigation into the Justice Department's decision during two thousand sixteen the IRS targeting investigation the Benghazi investigation and fast and furious there or have been give and take between Congress and the executive in the good lockout he investigation for example. It took two months two months of negotiations. Before the committee's conducted inducted the first witness interview with Deputy Director McCabe the Justice Department only began producing documents to the committee. After many more months of discussions. It's in none of these investigations. Did Congress get everything it wanted right at the beginning. Certainly not within sixty or seventy six days but with persistence since and patients eventually did receive enough information to do our work and contrary to talking points. The trump administration has in fact it cooperated with and facilitated congressional oversight and Investigations for example earlier this year the oversight committee conducted investigation nation into security clearances at the White House. The central allegation put forward. was that the White House. Deviated from established procedures grant clearances to certain White House staff. The Democrats sought the interview career staff. Who perform these security clearance reviews but declined the witness initially to appear with Agency Council House in the White House elsewhere? Impasse however after a little bit of time. We the Republican staff with with the help of Mr Jordan convinced the witness to appear with with agency Council for our own transcribed interview and the Democrats came along the subsequent interviews in the security clearance. Investigation were conducted with Agency Council. The testimony allowed the Community of team. The evidence to get to the bottom of what was going on and it wasn't what was alleged. I nobody outside. The security clearance office was handed out. Clearances certainly not to senior White House. Staffers in this impeachment inquiry however Democrats have turned away information that could be valuable to the inquiry by disallowing agency council to accompany witnesses. Democrats regrets have turned away. Information by declining negotiate in good faith with the administration about the scope of document requests as a result of these failures the evidentiary record in the impeachment inquiry is incomplete and in many places incoherent the failure to exhaust all avenues to obtain information severely risks undermining the legitimacy of any articles of impeachment as Professor Turley said to the committee last week. I'm concerned about lowering impeachment standards to fit a positive evidence and abundance of anger. I believe this impeachment impeachment not only fails the standard of past impeachments but would create a dangerous precedent for future impeachments. Professor Turley elaborated that the current lack of proof is another reason. Why the abbreviated investigation into this matter is so damaging for the case of impeachment this substantive case for impeaching president trump as a result of artificial arbitrary and political schedule relies heavily on ambiguous ambiguous facts? Presumptions and speculation. President Turley warned here to that impeachments have been based on proof not presumptions. The Democrats do not have the proof now my Democrat counterparts counterparts on the intelligence committee or talented attorneys. I'm sure they will tell you. A riveting story about a shadow or irregular foreign policy the apparatus and a smear campaign designed to extort Ukraine for the president's political benefit. They'll tell you about president trump. How he put his own political medical interests ahead of national security by mentioning former president former vice president? Joe Biden by name raising the allegations of Ukrainian influence in two thousand sixteen election on July twenty fifth call. They'll try to convince you that. The trump administration the same administration democrats regularly accused accused of being incompetent orchestrated an international conspiracy at the highest levels. None of this adds up. It may be a great screenplay. But it's not what the evidence shows the Democrats impeachment inquiry ignores all of the evidence that does not advance their story. The Democrats impeach narrative revolves all ambiguous facts and conflicting evidence in a way that is most unflattering the President the Democrats impeachment narrative ignores public statements from senior Ukrainian officials that contradict the narrative as you listen to the Democrat that presentation later today. I urge you to keep these points in mind. What evidence that has been gathered in the impeachment inquiry paints a different picture? I I won't provide a detailed presentation now but allow me to highlight a few points. I The summary of July twenty fifth phone call reflects no conditionality or pressure. Presidents Alinsky never vocalized any discomfort or pressure on the call contrary to Democrat allegations. Gatien's president trump was not asking for a favor that would help his reelection. He was asking for assistance in helping our country move forward from from the divisiveness of the Russia. Collusion investigation second. Since president trump is declassified and publicly released the call summary. You seventy five days ago. Presidents Alinsky has said publicly and repeatedly that he felt no pressure he said it on September twenty fifth at the United United Nations General Assembly. He said it in an interview published on October sixth. He said it again October tenth and most recently he ed just last week in Time magazine are their senior. Ukrainian officials have also said there was no linkage between a meeting scurity assistance and an investigation. If president trump was truly orchestrating pressure campaign to force Ukraine to investigate former vice president biden. One would think that Ukraine would have felt some some pressure third at the time of July Twenty Fifth Cau- Senior officials in key did not know that the security assistance was paused. They did not learn. It was paused until the pause was reported publicly in the US media on August. Twenty eighth as ambassador. Volker testified because the highest levels so the Ukrainian government did not know about the pause there is no leverage implied. Finally Presidents Alinsky met with with President Trump in New York on September twenty fifth at the United Nations shortly thereafter. Shortly before before that the the the security assistance fled to Ukraine. Both happened without Ukraine. Ever taking actions or investigations. The impeachment record also has substantial evidence going to the president's state of mind undercutting Democrats assertion of some malicious intent. Witnesses testified that president trump has a deeply rooted genuine and reasonable skepticism of Ukraine stemming from its history of corruption president trump is skeptical of US tax payer funded foreign assistance and believes that our allies should share more of the burden of Ukraine's defense. Ukrainian politicians openly spoke out against President Trump during twenty sixteen election. These events bear directly directly on the president's state of mind presidents Linski had run on an anti-corruption platform but he was an untried politician with a relationship nations ship to a controversial Ukrainian lagarde when vice when former vice president pence met with presidents Lansky in Warsaw. I'm sorry when Vice President Pence met with presidents in Warsaw on September one. He stressed to him. The need for reform and reiterated the president's concern about burden-sharing especially among on European allies in late August and early September after his party took control the Ukrainian parliament Ukraine pass historic reforms to fight corruption. These reforms including removing parliamentary immunity. which witnesses said it'd been a historic source of corruption members of our Congress had immunity entity president trump later lifted the pause on security assistance and met with presidents Alinsky? Two weeks later. The aid was paused for fifty. Five days it's very simply. The evidence in the Democrats impeachment inquiry does not support the conclusion that president trump abused his power for his own personal personal political benefit. There is simply no clear evidence that president trump acted with malicious intent and with holding a meeting or security assistance. Indeed there are and the Republican report articulates them legitimate explanations for these actions that are not nefarious as the Democrats allege the evidence shows the president trump faithfully executed the duties of his office by delivering on what he promised the American voters he would do. Democrats may disagree with the President's policy decisions or their matter in which governs. But those disagreements answer not enough to justify the irrevokable action of removing him from office Democrats Hyperbole Histrionics are no. Oh good reason. Eleven months out from election to prevent the American people from decided on their own. Who is going to be the next president? This record also does not support a conclusion that president trump obstructed congress during the impeachment inquiry for many of the procedural defects I touched on earlier. Additionally as as a factual matter the only direct testimony investigation has obtained about the president's reaction to the inquiry is from ambassador Sunland who testified president the new trump told them to cooperate and tell the truth. President trump has also declassified and released the summaries of his two phone calls with the President Presidents Alinsky president trump has said that he would like witnesses to testify but he's been forced to resist the unfair and abusive process. I believe strongly in the prerogatives of the congress. It's awful to hear President early testimony from last week when he left the house for proceeding on impeachment so rapidly and on such a thin record. Professor Turley said to set this abbreviated schedule. Demand in documents and then impeach. Because they haven't been turned over when they go to court. I think is an abuse of power impeachment of a duly elected president resident as chairman and Adler said in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty eight is the undoing of national election. Now I understand. Democrats issued a report over the weekend. Arguing that contrary. Sorry to the Chairman Stephen In one thousand ninety eight impeachment is not on doing it an election. I would just respond by saying that. I don't think many of the sixty three million Americans and from all around the country who voted for president trump in two thousand sixteen would agree by impeaching president trump. The House would essentially be nullifying. Find the decision of those Americans and House. We'd be doing it less than let less than eleven months before the next election. There's still is compelling argument for why Democrats in the House must take this decision out of the hands of the voters and do it before Christmas during the Clinton impeachment in Nineteen Ninety Eight. The chairman said that a bare minimum. The president's accusers must go beyond hearsay and Innuendo and beyond the demands ends that the president prove prove his innocence of vague and changing charges. I Would Smith that those words ring as true today as the chairman believed them to be in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. The impeachment record is heavily. Reliant on hearsay innuendo and presumptions Democrats have lobbed vague and ever changing charges for impeachment. Going as far back as the president's inauguration for all these reasons the extraordinary exercise of the Houses Impeachment Authority is not warranted on the evidentiary record presented. Thank you for allowing hiring me to present this information this morning and you'll back used Goldman. You may begin thank you. Mr Chairman German Nadler Lower ranking member Collins members of the Committee we are here today because Donald J trump the forty fifth president of the United States. It's abused power of his office. The American presidency for his political and personal benefit president trump up directed a months-long campaign to solicit foreign help in his two thousand and twenty reelection efforts withholding official acts from the government of Ukraine in order to coerce and secure political assistance and an interference in our domestic affairs as part of the scheme. President trump applied increasing pressure on the president of Ukraine to publicly announce announce to investigations helpful to his personal reelection efforts. He applied this pressure himself and through through his agents working within and outside of the US government by conditioning a desperately sought Oval Office meeting and and three hundred and ninety one million dollars in taxpayer. Funded Congressionally appropriated security assistance. Vital to Ukraine's CRAIN's ability to fend off Russian aggression and he conditioned that on the announcement of these two political investigations that were helpful to his his personal interests. When the president's efforts were discovered he released military aid though it would ultimately take congressional action for the money to be made fully available to Ukraine the Oval Office meeting still has not happened when faced with the opening of an official impeachment inquiry into his conduct? President trump launched an unprecedented campaign obstruction of Congress ordering executive branch agencies and government officials to defy subpoenas for documents in testimony today. The investigating committees have received no documents from the trump administration pursuant to our subpoenas. Pinas were it not. For courageous public servants doing their duty and honoring their oath to this country and coming forward and testifying defying. The president's scheme might still be concealed today. The central moment in this scheme was a telephone call. Between President Trump and Ukrainian Ukrainian President Wlodimierz Alinsky on July twenty fifth of this year during that call. President trump asked presidents Alinsky for a personal favor. You're to initiate the two investigations that president trump hoped could ultimately help his reelection in two thousand twenty the first investigation involved former vice president Joe Biden and was an effort to smear his reputation as he seeks the Democratic nomination in next next year's presidential election the second investigation sought to elevate an entirely debunked conspiracy theory promoted by Russian Chin. President Vladimir Putin that Ukraine interfered in the last presidential election to support the Democratic nominee in truth as has been made clear by irrefutable evidence from throughout the government. Russia interfered in the last election in order to help then candidate trump the allegations about vice president Biden and the two thousand sixteen election are patently false but that that did not deter president trump during his phone call with Ukrainian president and it does not appear to deter him today just two days ago president. Trump's stated publicly that he hopes that his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani will report to the Department of Justice and to Congress. The results of Mr Giuliani's efforts in Ukraine last week to pursue these false allegations meant to tarnish Vice President Biden president trump's uh-huh persistent and continuing effort to coerce a foreign country to help him cheat to win. An election is a clear and present. Danger two are free and fair elections and to our national security. The overwhelming evidence of this scheme is described in detail L. in nearly three hundred page document entitled the trump Ukraine impeachment inquiry report formerly transmitted from the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Agence to this committee a few days ago. The report relies on testimony from numerous current and former government officials. The vast majority of whom are nonpartisan career professionals responsible for keeping our nation safe and promoting American values around around the globe. The evidence from these witnesses cannot seriously be disputed. The president placed his personal interests above above the nation's interests in order to help his own reelection efforts before I highlight the evidence and the findings of this report. I want to take just a moment to introduce myself and discuss today's testimony. I joined the House Intelligence Committee as Senior Adviser and director of investigations at the beginning of this year previously. I serve for ten years as a prosecutor in the southern district of New York when I joined the Department of Justice Status Under the George W Bush administration. The team that I lead on the intelligence community includes other former federal prosecutors a retired FBI agent and investigators significant national security expertise. The report that I am presenting today is based entirely on on the evidence that we collected in coordination with the oversight and Foreign Affairs Committees that were gathered as part of the impeachment inquiry into president. Trump's actions nothing more and nothing less. The three investigating committees were in a fair professional final and thorough investigation. We followed the House rules for depositions and public hearings including the rule against agency counsel being present in for depositions and members and staff from both parties had equal time to ask questions and there were no substantive questions that were prevented from being asked and answered this investigation moved swiftly and intensively as all good investigation should to the extent that other witnesses would be able to provide more context and detail about this scheme. Their failure to testify is due solely only to the fact that president trump obstructed the inquiry and refused to make them available nevertheless the extensive acidic evidence that the committee's uncovered during this investigation led to the following critical findings. I president trump used the power of his office to pressure and induce the newly elected president of Ukraine to interfere in the twenty twenty presidential election for president trump's personal and political benefit second in order to increase the pressure on Ukraine to announce the politically motivated investigations. Instigations that president trump wanted president trump withheld coveted oval office meeting and three hundred ninety one dollars of essential military assistance from Ukraine. Third President Trump's conduct sought to undermine our free and fair elections and poses an imminent didn't threat to our national security and fourth faced with the revelation of his pressure campaign against Ukraine. President trump. DOC directed an unprecedented effort to obstruct Congress's impeachment inquiry into his conduct and with that context in mind I would. I'd like to turn to the evidence of president. Trump's conduct concerning Ukraine. My colleague Mr Caster said that it revolves around eight lines In one call record. But that's sorely ignores the vast amount of evidence that we collected of a months-long scheme by directed by by the president. But I do want to start with that. July twenty fifth phone call because that is critical evidence of the president's involvement and intent and it was on that day that he held his second phone call with the new Ukrainian president. The first in April was short and cordial following the Ukrainian cranium president's election success but the second call would diverge dramatically from what those listening had expected now just just prior to this telephone call. President Trump spoke to Gordon sunland the US ambassador to the European Union who had donated one million dollars to the president's inaugural campaign and who had been directed by the president himself to take on a leading role in Ukraine issues. Ambassador Ambassador Sunland relayed the president's message to presidents Alinsky through ambassador. Kurt Volker who had had lunch that day with presidents Alinsky is a top aide. Andrei earmark who repairs throughout Italy appears a repeatedly through this scheme as presidents Alinsky. He's right hand man. Ambassador Volker Texted Mr Year mark with President Trump's direction. Good lunch thanks. Heard from White House. assuming President Z.. Convincing trump he will investigate get to the bottom of what happened in two thousand sixteen. We will nail down visit for. We'll we'll nail down for a visit to Washington. Good luck. See You tomorrow Kurt. So even before the phone call with presidents Alinsky took place. President trump had directed that Ukraine initiate the investigation into two thousand sixteen. The debunk conspiracy theory. That Ukraine had interfered appeared in the election in order for presidents Alinsky to get the White House visit that he desperately coveted ambassador. Sunland was clear in his testimony about this quid. Pro Quo frequently frame. These complicated issues in the form of a simple question was there a quid. Pro Quo as I testified previously with regard to the requested White House call and the White House meeting. The answer is yes during this call with the Ukrainian leader. President trump did not discuss matters of important to the United States such as Ukraine's efforts to root out corruption instead. President trump veered quickly into the personal favour that he wanted President Celeski to do two investigations. That would help. President and trump's re-election effort witnesses who listened to the call described it as unusual improper inappropriate and concerning turning two of them immediately reported their concerns to White House lawyers. Now let me take a few minutes walking through that important. Call all step by step because it is evidence that is central to the president scheme near the beginning of the call presidents. Alinsky said I would also like like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense we are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically. We are almost ready to buy more javelin from the United States for defense purposes the great support in the area of defense included the nearly four hundred million dollars of US military terry assistance to Ukraine which one witness testified was nearly ten percent of Ukraine's defense budget and this support comes as a result of Russia's invasion of Ukraine in two thousand fourteen when Russia illegally annexed nearly seven percent of Ukraine's territory since then the United States and our allies have provided support for Ukraine an emerging post-soviet democracy to fend off Russia in the east yet just a few weeks before this July twenty fifth call president trump had inexplicably placed a hold on military assistance to Ukraine without providing any me reason to his own cabinet members or national security officials. The evidence the committee's collected showed that there was unanimous support for the aid from every relevant agency in the trump administration nevertheless during the call president trump complained that support for Ukraine. It was not reciprocal that somehow Ukraine needed to give more to the United States. What did he mean? While it became clear because immediately after after presidents alinsky brought up. US military support and purchasing javelin antitank weapons. President trump responded. I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it now the favor that reference there included to demands that had nothing to do with official US policy or foreign policy. I president president trump. Said I would like you to find out what happened with this. This whole situation with Ukraine. They say crowd strike as you saw yesterday. Excuse me I guess you have one of your wealthy people. It says the server they say Ukraine crane has it. There are a lot of things that went on the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people and he went on later after I would like to have the attorney. General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it as you saw yesterday. That whole nonsense ended did with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Muller an incompetent performance but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do you? It's very important that you do if that's possible here again. President trump was referring to the baseless conspiracy theory that the Ukrainian government not not Russia was behind the hack of the Democratic National Committee in two thousand sixteen. Not a single witness in our investigation testified. There was any factual support for this allegation to the contrary unanimous assessment of the US intelligence community found that. Russia alone interfered interfered. In the two thousand sixteen election and Special Counsel Muller who indicted twelve Russians for this conspiracy testified before Congress that the the Russian government interfered in the two thousand sixteen presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. Dr Fiona Hill an expert expert on Russia and President Putin who served on the National Security Council until July testified that the president was told by his own former senior advisors including putting his homeland. Security Adviser end is former national security adviser that the alternative theory that Ukraine had interfered in the election was false and although although no one in the US government knew of any factual support for this theory. It did have one significant supporter. Russian President Vladimir Putin in February of two thousand seventeen President Putin said second as we all know during the presidential campaign in the United States the Ukrainian government and adopted a unilateral position favor of one candidate more than that certain oligarchs certainly with the approval of the political leadership. Funded this candidate or female candidate to be more precise and if there was ever any doubt about who benefits from this unfounded theory report forward by President Trump and his associates President Putin made it clear very recently when he said thank God. No one is accusing us anymore of interfering in. US elections now. They're accusing Ukraine in the face of clear evidence not only from intelligence community experts but from his own own national security team that Russia Not Ukraine interfered in the two thousand sixteen election for the benefit of Donald Trump. President trump still pressed oppressed Ukrainian government to announce an investigation into this conspiracy theory. And why because it would help his own. Political Standing President trump even sought to withhold and Oval Office meeting from the President of Ukraine until he fell in line with President Putin's lies the leader who had actually invaded Ukraine. The second demand that president trump made of presidents alinsky during the July twenty fifth call was was to investigate the front runner for the Democratic nomination for President in twenty twenty former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter President Trump's stated the other thing. There's a lot of talk about Biden's son that Biden Stop the prosecution and a lot of people wanna find out about about that so whatever you can do with the attorney. General would be great by didn't win around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it it sounds horrible to me. Witnesses unanimously testified that there was no factual support for this claim. Rather they noted that Vice President Biden was acting in support of an international consensus and official. US policy to clean up the prosecutor. General's office in Ukraine despite these facts by the time of the July twenty fifth call. Mr Giuliani had been publicly advocating for these two investigations for months while also using. I'm back channels to press Ukrainian officials to initiate them in support of his client. DONALD TRUMP AMBASSADOR SUNLAND understood Mr Giuliani's role very clearly. Clearly he testified. Mr Giuliani was expressing the desires of the president of the United States. And we knew these investigations were important to the president it to others. Mr Giuliani was working at cross purposes with official policy channels toward Ukraine even as he was working on behalf of President President trump according to former national security adviser ambassador. John Bolton Mr Giuliani was a hand grenade who's going going to blow everybody up unquote near the end of July. Twenty Fifth Call Presidents Alinsky circled back to the precooked message that embassador Volker had relaid to presidents alinsky top aide before the call presidents. Alinsky said I also wanted to thank you for your invitation to visit the United Spates States specifically Washington DC on the other hand. I also wanted to ensure you that we will be very serious about the case and we will work on the investigation in other words on one hand is the White House visit. While on the other hand he he would agree to pursue the investigations. This statement shows the president's Alinsky fully understood at the time of the a July twenty fifth. Call the quid pro quo between these investigations in the White House meeting the president trump required and that ambassador sunland had testified testified so clearly about numerous witnesses testified about the importance of a White House meeting with the president of the United States specifically the meeting in the Oval Office an official act by President Trump as David Holmes senior official in the US embassy embassy and Ukraine said it it is important to understand that a White House visit was critical to presidents Alinsky Presidents Alinsky needed to show US support at the highest levels in order order to demonstrate to Russian President Vladimir Putin that he had US backing as well as to advance his ambitious anti-corruption reform agenda under at home in other words the White House visit would help Zilenski anti-corruption reforms and support remains critical as presidents. Alinsky meets today with President Putin to try to resolve the conflict in the east now the day after this phone call president trump sought to ensure that presidents Alinsky got the message on July twenty six. US officials met with presidents Alinsky Alinsky and other Ukrainian officials and KIEF and presidents alinsky mentioned that president trump had brought up some very sensitive issues unquote after to that meeting ambassador. Sunland had a private one on one meeting with under a year. Mark Presidents Alinsky top aide during which ambassador Sunland said that they probably discuss discuss the issue of investigations at lunch. Right after that with Mr Holmes and two other State Department Officers Ambassador Sunland pulled out a cell cell phone and called. President trump somewhat shocked. Mr Holmes recounted the conversation that followed I heard ambassador. sunlen greet president and explain. He was calling from Keefe. I heard President trump then clarify that ambassador song was in Ukraine ambassador. Song replied yes. He was in Ukraine and went on to state that presidents alinsky quote loves your ASS UNQUOTE THEN president trump. Ask so he's going to do the investigation investigation ambassador responding Sunland replied that he is going to do it. Adding the president's Alinsky will do anything you ask him to do. After the call ambassador Sunland told Mr Holmes that president trump did not give a bleep about Ukraine and only cares about the big stuff that benefits the president himself like the Biden investigation. That Mr Giuliani was pushing to repeat and this is very important ambassador. Sunland spoke to President Trump before the July twenty fifth call with Presidents Alinsky and related to Ukrainian officials cels President Trump's requirement of political investigations in exchange for a White House meeting and during that call. President trump asked for the favor of these two in the meeting of these two political investigations immediately after the Ukrainian president brought up US military support for Ukraine which president trump had recently suspended suspended or put on hold and at the end of the call presents. Alinsky made a point of acknowledging the link between the investigations that President President Trump requested and the White House meeting that presidents Alinsky desperately wanted and then the following day ambassador Sunland confirmed to president trump on the telephone in person that the Ukrainians would indeed initiate the investigation discussed on the call which were the only which was the only thing thing about Ukraine. The president trump cared about now. It's very important to understand that. This investigation revealed that the July I twenty fifth call was neither start nor the end of president trump's efforts to use the powers of his office for personal political gain. And and you have to look at all of the evidence in context as a whole prior to the call. The president had removed the former ambassador. Marie Ivanovich to clear the way. Hey for his three handpicked agents to spearhead his corrupt agenda in Ukraine secretary. Perry Ambassador Sunland and ambassador. Volker all of whom attended Presidents Alinsky inauguration on May twentieth all political appointees they proved to be more than willing to engage in what Dr Underhill later described as an improper domestic political errand for the president on April twenty. First Presidents Alinsky won the Ukrainian election action with seventy three percent of the vote and he had two primary platforms to resolve the war in the east with Russia and to root out corruption that same day president trump called to congratulate him on his win even though the White House press released following the call stated that president trump expressed his shared commitment commitment to quote root out corruption unquote. President trump in fact did not mention corruption at all on this call just like he did not mention corruption option on the July twenty fifth. Call shortly after this call. President trump asked vice president. Mike Pence to attend presidents Alinsky inauguration but on May thirteenth president trump did an about-face and directed vice president pence not to attend an advisor to vice president. Pence testified that the inauguration had not yet been scheduled and therefore the reason for the abrupt change of plans was not related to any scheduling issues. So what had happened in the three weeks between April Twenty first and may thirteenth when Vice President Pence was originally invited and then disinvited or removed from the delegation a few things I on April Twenty Firth Twenty Fifth Vice President Biden formally announced his bid for the Democratic nomination for president. Then about a week later on May third president trump spoke with President Putin on the telephone one senior State State Department official testified that the conversation between president trump and President Putin included a discussion of Ukraine. Third on May ninth. Mr Giuliani told New York Times that he intended to travel to Ukraine on behalf of his client. President trump in order to quote meddle in an investigation unquote quote but after public backlash an apparent pushback from the Ukrainians. Mr Giuliani canceled his trip the next day claiming the president's Alinsky he was surrounded by enemies of president trump at a critical may twenty third meeting in the Oval Office. President Trump said that Ukraine was corrupt and tried to take him down in two thousand sixteen. The same false narrative pushed President Putin and Mr Giuliani and in order for the White House meaning meaning to occur. President Trump told the delegation. They must talk to rudy to get the visit scheduled. These comments from President trump were the first of many subsequent indications that in his mind corruption equals investigations in the weeks and months following. Mr Giuliani related to both Ukrainian officials and the government officials that president trump had designated at the May twenty third meeting to take to take lead on Ukraine in policy directive from President Trump. That a White House meeting would not occur until Ukraine announced the two political investigations that president trump trump required and well before the July twenty fifth call ambassadors Sunland and Volker also relayed this quid pro quo to the Ukrainians including leading to presidents alinsky himself Ambassador Volker conveyed the message directly to presidents Alinsky at the beginning of July urging him to reference investigations allegations associate associated with the Giuliani factor with president trump and in meetings at the White House on July tenth ambassador Sunland inland told other. US officials and two presidents ALINSKYITES advisors including Mr Year mark that he had an agreement with acting chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney that the White House House visit would be scheduled if Ukraine announced the investigations. One witness testified that during the second of the meetings Ambassador Sunland on and began to review what the deliverable deliverable would be in order to get the meeting. Referring to an investigation of the Biden's the witness told the committee that the request was explicit. There was no ambiguity and then ambassador Sunland also mentioned Barista a major Ukrainian energy company that Hunter Biden and sat on the board of to the witnesses that testified before the committee. The references to Barack Obama was shorthand for an investigation into the Biden's ambassador Bolton as well as staff members objected to this meeting for investigations. Trade and Ambassador Bolton told Dr Hill you go and tell Eisenberg John Eisenberg the legal adviser for the National Security Council that I am not part of whatever drug deal sunlen and Mulvaney or cooking up on this and you go ahead and tell them what you've heard and what I've said yet. This was not a rogue operation. Asian by Mr Giuliani and ambassador. Sunland Volker as ambassador Sunland testified everyone was in the loop including Mr Mulvaney Secretary Terry Pompilio Secretary Perry and their top advisors on July nineteenth ambassador sunland emails Mister Mulvaney Secretary Perry Secretary Pompeo and others after speaking with presidents Alinsky the subject was I talked to Alinsky just us now an ambassador Sunlen wrote he is prepared to receive Podesta's call the president of the United States. We'll assure him that he intends to run a fully transparent investigation and we'll quote turnover every stone unquote both secretary. Perry and chief of Staff mulvaney quickly responded to the email noting that given that conversation date would soon be set to schedule the White House. Telephone call the evidence. Also unambiguously shows that the Ukrainians understood this quid pro quo and had serious serious reservations. Particularly because Presidents Alinsky had won the election on an anti-corruption platform in fact a few days before the July twenty any fifth call ambassador William Taylor the acting. US Ambassador to Ukraine and the former permanent ambassador to Ukraine texted ambassador Sunland and Volker rather he. He stayed in his testimony on July twentieth. I had a phone conversation with Mr Donnelly. During which he conveyed to me. That presidents Alinsky Linski did not want to be used as a pawn in a US reelection campaign but president. Trump's pressure campaign on presidents. Alinsky did not relent. Don't just four days later. Presence Alinsky received that message via Kurt Volker that he needed to convince president trump that he would do the investigations in in order to get that White House meeting. And as I have described President Zilenski tried to do exactly that on the July. Twenty fifth call with President Trump in the weeks following the July twenty fifth call presidents alinsky heated president trump's request sending his top aide Mr Year mark to Madrid to meet with Mr Giuliani Elhiani in coordination with Mr Giuliani President and the president trump's hand-picked representatives. They continued this pressure campaign and to secure a public announcement of the investigations. Now according to Ambassador Sunland and this is very important. President trump did not require that Ukraine actually conduct the investigations as a prerequisite for the White House meeting instead. Ukrainian government needed only to publicly announce the investigations. It is clear. The goal was not the investigations themselves or not any corruption that those investigations might have entailed but the political benefit that president trump would enjoy from an announcement of investigations into his twenty twenty. Political rival will end against a unanimous assessment. That showed that he received foreign support in the twenty sixteen election for that for that reason. The facts didn't actually matter to president trump because he only cared about the personal and political benefit from the announcement of the investigation over the next couple of weeks ambassadors Sunland and Volker worked with President. Trump's eight Mr your mock to draft a statement for Presidents Alinsky the ski to issue when the aid proposed a statement that did not include specific references to the investigations that president trump wanted the Barista and Biden investigation and the two thousand sixteen election investigation. Mr Giuliani relayed that. That would not be good enough to get a White House meeting and here you can see a comparison Harrison on the left of the original statement drafted by Mr Earmark the top two presidents Alinsky and on the right. A revised statement with Mr Giuliani requirements requirements and on it says we intend to initiate and complete a transparent and unbiased investigation of all available facts and episodes and here's the critical difference difference including those involving Barista and the two thousand sixteen elections which in turn will prevent the recurrence of this problem in the future. The only difference in the statement that Giuliani required and the statement that the Ukrainians had drafted was this reference to the two investigations. That president president trump wanted and told presidents alinsky about on the July twenty fifth call now ultimately presidents Alinsky administration temporarily shelved this announcement even though efforts to press Ukraine would remain ongoing by mid August. Ukraine did not make a public announcement of the investigations that president trump required and as a result. No White House meeting was scheduled. But by this time the president was pushing on another pressure point to coerce Ukraine to announce the investigations and the hold on the vital military assistance that the president had put in place for more than a month still without any explanation to any of the policy. Experts are investigation revealed. That a number of Ukrainian officials had made quiet increased of various. US officials about the aid as early as July. Twenty fifth. The day of the phone call increased by Ukrainian officials continued in the weeks that followed until the hold was revealed at the end of August. I but this is important. It was important for the Ukrainian officials to keep it quiet because if it became public than Russia would know Oh that the US support for Ukraine might be on ice so by the end of that month. The evidence revealed several facts one. The president demanded that Ukraine publicly announced to politically motivated investigations to benefit his reelection to a coveted White House. Meeting was expressly conditioned on Ukraine announcing those investigations three president trump had placed a hold on vital military leterrier assistance to Ukraine without any explanation and notwithstanding the uniform support for that assistance from the relevant federal the agencies and Congress Ambassador Taylor testified that this quid pro quo between the investigation president trump wanted and the security assistance that president then trump needed was crazy and he told ambassador Sunland as I said on the phone. I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with with a political campaign now in an effort to move the White House meeting and the military aid along ambassador. sunlen wrote an email to secretary. I pump Peyot on August twenty second. He wrote Mike. Should we block time. In Warsaw for short pull aside for Podesta Meets Alinsky. I would ask Zilenski to look him in the eye and tell them that once you crain's new justice folks are in place Parentheses Mid-september Z.. Presidents residents Alinsky should be able to move forward publicly and with confidence on those issues of importance to us and to the US. Hopefully that will break. The logjam ambassador Sunland testified that this was a reference to the political investigations that President Trump discussed on the July twenty fifth call. Aw which Secretary Pompeo ultimately admitted to that he listened to in real time ambassador Sunland hoped up to that this would help lift the log jam which he meant the hold on critical security assistance to Ukraine and the White House meeting and what was Secretary Pump House. Dell's response three minutes later. Yes after the hold on military assistance became public on August. Twenty eighth senior. Ukrainian officials expressed grave concern deeply worried of course about the practical impact on their efforts to fight Russian aggression but also and this goes back to why remain confidential Joel also about the public message that is sent to the Russian government on September first at a pre briefing with vice president as an pence before he met with presidents alinsky ambassador. Sunland raised the issue of the hold on security assistance. He said I mentioned the vice is president pence before the meetings with the Ukrainians that I had concerns that the delay in aid had become tied to the issue of investigations. Vice President Pence simply nodded in response expressing neither surprise nor dismay at the linkage between the two and following vice president pence is meeting with presidents. alinsky ambassador. Sunland went over to Mr Earmark again presidents. Alinsky top aide and pulled him aside to explain the hold on security. Assistance was also now conditioned on the public announcement of the Barista Biden and the twenty sixteen election interference. Investigations Ambassador Sunland explained to ambassador Taylor that he had previously made a mistake in telling Ukrainian officials that only the White House meeting was conditioned on a public announcement of the political investigations beneficial to president trump. In truth everything the White White House meeting and the vital security assistance to Ukraine was now conditioned on the public announcement. President trump wanted presidents Alinsky in a public box. A private commitment was not good enough nearly one week later on September seventh the holds remained and president trump and ambassador. Sunland spoke on the phone. The president immediately told ambassador Sunland that there was no quid pro quo but and this is very important. The president's alinsky would still be required to announce the investigations in order for the hold on security assistance to be lifted. And he should want to do it in effect. This is the equivalent of saying there is no quid pro quo. No this for that. Before then demanding precisely we that quid pro quo and immediately after this phone call with President trump. This was the precise message. That ambassador Sunland passed passed directly to President Alinsky. According to ambassador Taylor Ambassador Sunland also said that he had talked to presidents Alinsky and Mr Year mock and he told them that although this was not a quid pro quo. If Presidents Alinsky did not clear things up in public we would be at a stalemate and I understood a stalemate that Ukraine would not receive the much needed military assistance needing the military assistance and hoping for the White House meeting. Presidents Alinsky finally relented to President Trump's pressure campaign and arrangements were made for the Ukrainian president to make a statement and during an interview on CNN where he would make a public announcement of the two investigations. That president trump wanted in order for presidents Alinsky to secure the White House meeting and for Ukraine to get that much needed military assistance and although there is no doubt that president trump had ordered the military aid held up until the Ukrainians committed to the investigations on October seventeenth. Acting Chief of Staff Mick. Mulvaney confirmed in public. There was such a quid pro quo. Let's watch what he said. That was those were the driving factors that did he also mentioned to me in past the corruption related to the DNC server. Absolutely no question about that. But that's that's why we held up the money now. There was a report. Social Search for an investigation into the Democrats was part of the reason that he it was on to withhold funding. Crazy the look back to what happened in two thousand in sixteen certainly was part of the thing that he was worried about in corruption with that nation. Then that is absolutely there you have it by early. September September. The president's scheme was unraveling on September Ninth Intelligence Oversight and Foreign Affairs Committees announced an investigation into president trump and Mr Giuliani's efforts in Ukraine. And later that same day the Intelligence Committee learned that a whistle blower had filed a complaint nearly a month earlier related to Some unknown issue but which the president and the White House new rules related to Ukraine and had been circulating among them for some time and then two days later on September eleventh in the face of growing public and congressional scrutiny. President trump lifted the hold on security assistance to Ukraine as with the implementation of the hold. No reason was provided put simply president trump got caught so he released the but even since this investigation began the president has demonstrated no contrition or acknowledgement that. His demand for a foreign country to interfere in our election is wrong in fact he has repeatedly heatedly called on Ukraine to investigate Vice President Biden his rival these and other actions by the president and his associates demonstrate that his determination determination to solicit foreign interference in our election continues. Today it did not end with Russia's support for trump in two thousand sixteen which president trump invited by asking for his opponent to be hacked by Russia and it did not end when his Ukrainian scheme was exposed in September of this year. President trump also engaged once this investigation began in an unprecedented effort to obstruct the inquiry. And I look forward to answering your questions about that. Unprecedented obstruction but in conclusion. I want to say that the Intelligence Committee has produced to you a nearly three hundred page age report. And I'm grateful that you have offered me the opportunity today to walk you. Through some of the evidence underlying admittedly it is a lot to digest Eh. But let me just say this. The president's scheme is actually quite simple and the facts are not seriously in dispute. It can be boiled down to four key takeaways I. The president trump directed scheme to pressure Ukraine into opening two investigations. That would benefit has twenty twenty reelection campaign and not the US national interest second. President trump uses official office and the official tools of us. Foreign Policy Withholding think of an Oval Office meeting and three hundred ninety one million dollars in security assistance to pressure Ukraine into meetings demands third. Everyone was in the loop his chief of staff the Secretary of state and Vice President and fourth despite the discovery of the scheme which prompted the president to release the aid he has is not given up. He and his agents continue to solicit Ukrainian interference in our election causing an imminent threat to our elections. Wins in our national security. All right what we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA Chairman Nadler has just gaveled in We'll see the president has been tweeting. He tweeted quote. Read the transcripts scripts. I've been hearing. All been hearing about is the transcripts for the last Feels like forever in my life But let's Let's listen to Chairman Nadler. The committee will reconvene when we recessed. we're about to hear from Mr Cassar newscaster. You are recognized for forty invite minutes afternoon. Chairman ranking member Collins members of the committee members of the staff. Thank you again for having me back. Give me the opportunity to testify about. The evidence gathered during our impeachment inquiry at the outset. Let me say that the evidence it does not support the allegations that my Democrat colleagues have made and I don't believe the evidence leads to the conclusions. They suggest rest. I'm hopeful add some important perspective and context to the facts under discussion today. The chief allegation that the Democrats impeachment inquiry has been trying to assess over the last seventy six days. Is this whether president trump abused abused power of his office through a quid. Pro Quo bribery extortion. Or whatever by withholding meeting order security assistance as a way of pressuring Ukrainian Presidents Alinsky to investigate the president's political rival former VP Biden for the president's political benefit in the upcoming election the secondary allegation. That has been levied is is whether president trump obstructed congress during the equerry. The evidence obtained during the inquiry does not support either of those allegations. The Republican report of evidence lays out the reasons in more detail but I will summarize I will begin with the substantive allegation about on an abuse of power. The inquiry has returned no direct evidence that president trump without a meeting or security assistance in order to pressure presidents Alinsky to investigate former VP Biden. Witnesses who testified any inquiry have denied having awareness of criminal activity or even an impeachable offense on the key question of the president's that state of mind there is no clear evidence that president trump acted with militias and ten overall at best the the impeachment inquiry record is riddled with hearsay presumptions speculation. There are conflicting an in an big useless facts throughout the record facts that could be interpreted in different ways to paraphrase to to paraphrase professor Turley from last week. The impeachment record is heavy on presumptions an empty on proof. That's not me saying that. That is professor surly so let me start with the best direct evidence of any potential quid pro quo or impeachable Scheme this is president trump's phone call with Zilenski for which the National Security Council and the White House Situation Room staff prepared a call summary according to testimony from Tim Morrison at the NFC. The summary was accurate and complete and staff member. Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Zondervan. Men testified that any omissions in the summary were not significant. Editing was not done maliciously. The president trump has declassified and released the call summary so the American people can review it and assess it for themselves. I'll make a few points that seem to have gone under. Noticed the call summary reflects absolutely no pressure or conditionality. The president's Alinsky vocalized no concerns with the subject matters discussed and there is no indication of bribery. Extortion or other illegal conduct on the call. The call summary Shows President Trump and presidents alinsky exit engaged in pleasantries and cordiality 's summary reveals laughter. Simply put the call is not the sinister. Her mob shakedown that some Democrats have described. President trump raised his concerns about European allies paying their fair share and security assistance to Ukraine a concern that president trump would continue to raise both publicly and privately. There is no discussion on the call. I repeat no discussion on the call about the upcoming twenty twenty election or security sectors assistance to Ukraine beyond the call summary. The next best piece of evidence are the statements from the two participants on the call. Presidents Alinsky has said he felt no pressure on the call on September twenty fifth at the United Nations. He said we had I think a good phone call. It was normal. Nobody push me on October. Sixth the president's Alinsky said I was never pressured and there were no conditions being imposed four days later on October tenth breath residents Alinsky said again. There is nothing wrong with a call. No blackmail this is not corruption. It was just a call and just recently in Time magazine. Presidents Alinsky said never talked the president from position of a quid pro quo because presidents alinsky would be the target of any alleged quid pro quo scheme. His statements denying denying any pressure carry significant weight. He is in fact the supposed victim here. Others senior senior. Ukrainian government officials confirmed presidents Alinsky statements Foreign Minister Per Steak Au said on September twenty. First I know what the conversation was about and I think there was no pressure. Olexander Danny Look. who was then? The secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council told them Basseterre Bill Taylor on the night of the call that the Ukrainian the government was not disturbed by anything on the call. President trump of course has also said that he did not pressure Presidents Solanki on September twenty fifth. President Trump said. There was no pressure when asked if he wanted Presidents Alinsky do more to investigate the former. VP president trump trump responded. No I want them to do whatever we can whatever he can do in terms of corruption because corruption is massive. That's what he should do. Several witnesses attested to the president's concerns about Ukrainian corruption the initial readouts July twenty fifth. Call from both with the Ukrainian government and the State Department raised no concerns although Lieutenant Colonel Edmon noted concerns earns. Those concerns were not shared by National Security Council leadership. They were not shared by General Keith. Kellogg dog who listened on the call tenant General Kellogg said in a statement. I heard nothing wrong or improper on the call I had ad and have no concerns. Lieutenant Colonel Linneman Superior. Tim Morrison testified that he was concerned. The called leak and be misused in Washington's political process but he did not believe that anything discussed on the call was illegal or improper much has also been made about president. Trump's reference on July twenty fifth call call to Hunter Biden's position on the board of Burma Corrupt Ukrainian energy company and the actions of certain officials in the run up to the two thousand sixteen election. Democrats dismissed these conspiracy conspiracy theories to suggest that the president has has no legitimate reason other than his own political interests to raise these issues with presidents Alinsky. The evidence however shows sit. There are legitimate questions about both issues with respect to Barack Obama. Deputy Assistant Secretary. George can't hint testified that the company had a reputation for corruption. The company was founded by Mykola Chessy. Who served as Ukraine's Minister Ester of ecology and Natural Resources when cheifs ski served in that role? His company Charisma received oil expiration licenses without public. Auctions rismawan brought hunter biden onto its Boorda direction directors according to The New York Times Times as part of a broad effort by charisma to bring in well-connected Democrats during a period when the company was facing investigations back not not just by domestic Ukrainian forces but by officials in the Obama Administration. George Kent testified about these efforts parts. Hunter Biden reportedly received between fifty thousand and eighty three thousand dollars a month as compensation for his position on Charisma's board at the time that Hunter Biden joined the board his father the former. VP was the Obama. The administration's point person for Ukraine Biden has no specific corporate governance expertise. And we don't believe believe. He speaks Ukrainian or Russian. We don't believe he moved there so he's getting this gigantic paycheck for the Washington. Post wrote at the time of Biden's appointment to Barista's board that it looked nepotistic at best and the Washington Post said the Washington Post just nefarious at worst. According to the Wall Street Journal anti-corruption activists in Ukraine also raised raise concerns that the former. VP Son received money from zone. Shefty and worried that that would mean so jeff. Ski would be protected. Did Not prosecuted witnesses in the impeachment. Inquiry noted Hunter Biden's role on the board and how it presented at minimum a conflict of interest. Lieutenant Colonel of inman testified that Hunter Biden did not appear qualified to serve on charisma's board. Witnesses testified that Hunter Biden's role on the board was a legitimate concern to raise. In fact George Kent explained that in in two thousand fifteen. He raised a concern to the office of former vice. President Biden that Hunter Biden's role on Business Board award presented a potential conflict of interest however Hunter Biden's role did not change and former Vice President Biden continue. Can you delete. US policy in Ukraine. On this record there is a legitimate basis for president trump trump to have concern about hunter Biden's role on Barista's board the prospect that some senior Ukrainian officials officials worked against president trump in the run up to the two thousand sixteen election draws and even more visceral reaction from most Democrats. Let me say very very clearly that election interferences not binary. I'm not saying that it was Ukraine and not Russia. I'm saying that both countries can work to influence election a systemic a coordinated. Russian interference effort does not mean that some Ukrainian officials some Ukrainian officials did not work to oppose oppose president. Trump's candidacy did not make statements against President trump during the election ambassador. Volker testified in his public hearing that it is possible for more than one country to seek influence in US elections. Dr Hill testified likewise at her public contemporaneous news articles in twenty sixteen noted how President Trump's candidacy led keeps wider political leadership to do something they would never have attempted before intervene however indirectly in the US election in August twenty sixteen the Ukrainian ambassador to the US published an op-ed in the hill. Criticizing candidate trump other senior. Ukrainian officials called candidate trump a clown and other words. They alleged that he challenged the very values of the free world. One prominent Ukrainian parliamentary explained that the majority of Ukraine's political figures. We're on Hillary Clinton's side a January twenty seventeen politico article lays out in more detail efforts the Ukrainian government officials to oppose president. Trump's candidacy the article notes. How Ukraine work to sabotage the trump campaign by publicly questioning his fitness for office? The article detailed. How a woman named Alexandra Chalupa our Ukrainian American contractor paid eight by the DNC and working with the DNC and the Clinton campaign traded information and leads about the trump campaign with the staff at the Ukrainian embassy in Washington to explain how the Ukrainian embassy worked directly with reporters to point them in the right direction? Witnesses in the impeachment inquiry testified that the allegation of Ukrainian influence in the twenty sixteen election was appropriate to examine ambassador. Volker testified that he thought it was fine to investigate allegations about twenty sixteen influence ambassador. Taylor said for example that the allegations surprised and disappointed him on this record. I do not believe that one could conclude clued that president trump had no legitimate basis to raise a concern about efforts by cranes to influence to twenty any sixteen election. Let me now turn to the first assertion that president trump withheld meeting with presidents Alinsky as a way of pressuring pressuring him to investigate the former. VP here. It is important to note Ukraine's long profound profound history of endemic corruption. Several witnesses in the inquiry of testified about these problems ambassador. Marie Ivanovich for example. Full said Ukraine's corruption is not just prevalent but frankly is the system. Witnesses testified to having firsthand knowledge. The President Trump is deeply skeptical of Ukraine due to its corruption dating back years and that this scepticism contributed to president trump's initial hesitancy residency to meet with President. Dolinsky ambassador. Volker testified so I know he had a very deep rooted. Skeptical view and my understanding at the time. Was that even though he agreed in the meeting that we had with him say okay. I'll invite him. I'll invite him. He didn't really want to do it. Volcker said and that's why the meeting kept getting delayed another relevant set of facts. Here is the effort of some Ukrainian officials to pros president. Trump's candidacy in the two thousand sixteen election. Some of these Ukrainian politicians is initially remained in government when presidents Alinsky took over. Witnesses testified that these Ukrainian efforts in two thousand sixteen colored how President Trump viewed Ukraine. It's also important. To note that presidents Alinsky was a relatively unknown quantity for. US Policymakers Ambassador Ivanovich called him an untried untried politician. Dr Hill testified that there were concerns within the National Security Council abouts Alinskyites relationship with Egos Gore Cola voice scheme a controversial oligarch in Ukraine. Although Presidents Alinsky ran on a Reform Platform Presidents Alinsky appointed Colin Meloy Skis. Lawyer Mr Bohdan as his chief of staff both Ambassador Volker Senator Ron Johnson noted that this appointment raised concerns concerns. These facts are important. In assessing the president's state of mind in understanding whether Presidents Alinsky was truly committed the fighting corruption in Ukraine the evidence shows the president trump invited presidents Alinsky to meet at the White House on three separate occasions all without any conditions. The first was on April twenty first during the initial congratulatory phone call. The second was via letter on May twenty ninth this letter followed an Oval Office meeting on May Twenty third with the US delegation to the inauguration during this meeting president trump again expressed his skepticism about Ukraine Ambassador Volker recalled the president saying he's terrible people and a corrupt country ambassador sunland similarly testified Ukraine in the president's view tried to take him down in the two thousand sixteen election. Senator Ron Johnson confirmed this testimony testimony in his submission to the impeachment inquiry. Finally the third time. The president trump invited Dolinsky to meet again without any preconditions was during the in July twenty fifth phone call although some time passed between may two thousand nineteen when the president formally invited to meet and September twenty fifth when the president. It's met the evidence does not show that. The Ukrainian government felt additional pressure due to this delay to the contrary embassador Volcker testified that the Ukrainian gene felt pretty good about its relationship with the trump administration in this period. During those four months senior Ukrainian government initials had at least nine meetings or phone calls with President trump vice president pence secretary pompeo National National Security Adviser Bolton and US ambassador's. The evidence does not support a conclusion that president trump conditioned into meeting with presidents Alinsky on investigating former Vice President Biden. Mr Jahr MAG presidents and Lenzi's close advisor. I said that explicitly in August twenty nine thousand nine hundred New York Times story which was published before the beginning of the impeachment inquiry in this article. Your Mak said that he and Mayor Giuliani did not discuss a link between a presidential meeting and investigations. The witness testimony confirms your Max Statement Ambassador. Volker testified there was no linkage between a potential meeting and investigations Sion's although ambassadors Sunland testified that he believed there was a quid pro quo. His testimony is not as clear as it has been portrayed in his deposition ambassador Sunlen testified that he believed the meeting was conditioned on public anti-corruption statement not all investigations themselves distinction that during his deposition he was keen to note ambassadors. Tomlin said then that nothing about the request has raised any red flags in his public testimony. Ambassador Sunlen clarified. That he had no first-hand first hand knowledge of any linkage coming from the president and never discussed any preconditions with the president he merely presumed there were preconditions additions. I'd also like to address the July tenth meeting ambassador. Bolton's office with two senior. Ukrainian officials. Allow me to submit that here too. There is conflicting evidence about the facts. Both Dr Hill and Lieutenant Colonel. Von Testified ride that ambassador. sunlen raised investigations during this meeting causing ambassador Bolton abruptly and the meeting Dr Hill testified. She confronted Ambassador Sunlen over his discussion about investigations. Vascular silent testimony about this meeting however ever is scattered in his closed door deposition. He testified that no national security staff member ever once expressed concerns to him that he was acting improperly and he denied that he raised investigations during this meeting but when he came here to testify in public he acknowledged for the first time that he raised investigations but he denied that the meeting ended abruptly. Aw He maintained that Dr Hill never raised concerns the him and that any discussion of investigations did not mention anything. Specific such as Biden Haydn or two thousand sixteen let me lastly address the allegation that president trump directed vice president pence not to attend presidents. Alinsky is inauguration. As another way of pressuring Ukraine to investigate former vice president biden and Jennifer Williams a senior advisor in the office of the vice president testified that a colleague and she said it was. The chief of Staff Assistant told her that chief-of-staff assistant the president trump had directed vice president pence not to attend the inauguration. However Williams had no first-hand knowledge of any such direction or the reasons given for any such direction if indeed such direction was has given? Its not clear from the evidence why it was done because the vice president's office was juggling other potential trips during that time and the Ukrainian parliament schedule schedule the election on an extremely short timeframe it was just four days notice Williams explained and that there was a window. There was a window of dates may thirtieth through June first. During which the vice president could attend the inauguration and that was communicated and if it wasn't one of those dates it would be difficult or impossible to attend the inauguration. Separately the office of the vice president it was also planning and unrelated trip to Canada to promote the US. MCA during the same window. The US MCA was and still is significant. Priority for the Administration Vice President Pence has done a number of public events in support of president. Trump was also planning foreign travel during this time period and as Dr Hill testified with President. President trump and vice president pence cannot both be out of the country at the same time. Williams explained that these factors created created a narrow window for the vice president's participation in the inauguration Dr Hill testified that she had no oh knowledge that the vice president was directed not to attend on May sixteenth. The outgoing Ukrainian parliament scheduled the inauguration for May twentieth only four days later May twentieth was not one of the three dates. That Vice President Pence's office had provided for his availability. Williams testified that this early date surprised the vice president's office because we weren't expecting the Ukrainians to look at that timeframe George Kent at the State Department said at this short notice from the Ukrainians forced the State Department to scramble to find a US official to lead the delegation. Finally settling on Secretary of Energy Rick. Perry on May Twentieth. The date of Presidents Alinsky is inauguration Vice President Pence in Jacksonville Florida for an event promoting. US MCA finally on September. Twenty fifth president trump an presidents Alinsky met during the United Nations General Assembly. The two met without Ukraine ever taking action on investigations. And according to embassador Taylor. There was no discussion of investigations. During this meeting. I will now turn to the second an assertion that president trump withheld taxpayer funded security assistance to Ukraine as a way of pressuring Alinsky to conduct these investigations. The context is critically important. President trump has been skeptical foreign assistance in general and believes quite strongly that our European allies should share more of the burden for regional defense. That's an assertion. He made on the campaign trail something he's raised consistently since it's also important to note that. UN Security Assistance is conditioned to countries around the world and that US aid including aid to Ukraine has been temporarily paused in the past for various reasons and even even for no reason at all ambassador. Volker testified the fifty five day pause on security. Assistance did not strike him as uncommon and that the pause was not significant cricket Dr Hill and State Department official Catherine Kroft both testified that security assistance to Ukraine specifically had been temporarily paused in the past. In fact Basseterre David Hale the Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs the third most senior person at the State Department testified that the National Security Council launched review of US foreign assistance across the world to make sure taxpayer dollars were spent in the national interest and to advance the principle of burden-sharing by our allies. Dr Hill testified that as she was leaving the NFC in July there had been a directive for whole scale review of our foreign policy assistance. She said there had been more scrutiny. On Security Assistance as a result and other important data appointed president trump's willingness to take a stronger stance in supporting Ukraine against Russian aggression and compared to the previous administration nations several witnesses testified the president trump's willingness to provide Ukraine with lethal defensive assistance. Javelin anti tank missiles was a substantial improvement a stronger policy and as significant decision when we discussed Democrat allegations that president trump withheld vital security assistant dollars from Ukraine. We should also remember that. It was president trump and not President Obama who provided Ukraine with lethal defensive weapons. I make all of these points here because there are relevant pieces of information that bear on how the house should view the evidence in question all though the security assistance was paused in July. The evidence is virtually silent on the definitive reason for the pause in fact the only direct evidence of the reason for the pause comes from oem beneficial mark Zandi who testified that he learned in September. The pause was related to the president's concern about other countries contributing more to Ukraine crane he explained L. O. M. B. receive requests for information on what other countries were contributing to Ukraine which show and be provided in the first week of September eight. Of course course was released. September eleventh. Several witnesses have testified that security assistance was not linked to Ukraine investigations. Ambassador volkers testimonials testimony is particularly relevant on this point because he was a key intermediary with Ukrainian government and someone they trusted and sought for advice. The Ambassador Volker testified that he was aware of no quid. Pro Quo and the Ukrainians never raised such concerns to him. When Ambassador Taylor raised the possibility of quid pro quo ambassador Volker volkers said he replied? There's no linkage here. During his deposition chairmanship tried to pin him down on this point but ambassador Volker was clear there was no connection in his public testimony. Ambassador Volker reiterated there was no linkage similarly. George can at the State Department said he did not associate aid to investigations and he relayed. How Ambassador Taylor told him? Tim Morrison and embassador. SOM- also believed the two were not linked ambassador silence testimony as we have seen already is a bit more scattered in his deposition. He said that he was never aware of preconditions on security assistance or that the security assistance was tied to investigations ambassador. Sunlen then later provided a written statement supplementing his deposition in which he explained for the first time that in the absence of any clear explanation he presumed a link between security assistance. An anti-corruption statement were linked ambassador Sunland. It also tested in his written supplement that he likely voiced this concern to Mr Your Mac a close advisor Presidents Alinsky on September first in Warsaw Mr York however in a subsequent news account published on November twenty. Second disputed ambassador son's account and said he doesn't remember any reference to the military aid in his public testimony. Ambassador Sunlen reiterated that his testimony was based on a presumption acknowledging to Congressman Turner that no one on the planet told him that security assistance to Ukraine was conditioned on investigations ambassador. Taylor is the other relevant an actor. Here he testified in his deposition that he had a clear understanding that Ukraine would not receive the security assistance until Presidents Alinsky committed to the investigations however in his public testimony. Ambassador Taylor acknowledged that is clear. Understanding came from ambassador someone who was merely presuming that there was a link president trump to rejected any linkage between security assistance to Ukraine and investigations. The president's statements in this regard ought to be persuasive because he made the same statement in two separate private conversations with two different. US officials ten days as apart there would be no reason for the president to be anything less than candid during these private conversations on August thirty first president trump spoke by phone with Senator Johnson who was travelling to Ukraine in the coming days and sought the president's permission to tell President Alinsky that the security assistance would be forthcoming forthcoming. President trump responded that he was not ready to do that citing Ukrainian corruption burden-sharing among European allies. When Senator Johnson Johnson raised the potential linkage between security assistance and investigation president trump vehemently denied any connection? Saying no way. I would never do that. Who told you that enclosing the call? President trump told Senator Johnson that we're reviewing it now referring to the security thirty assistance. And guess what you. You'll probably like my final decision. He told that the Senator Johnson on August thirty first this statement strongly suggests that president trump was already leaning toward lifting the aid separately on September ninth. President trump spoke by phone with embassador sunland ambassador Osama asked the president. What do you want from Ukraine president? President trump responded. I want nothing I want. No quid pro quo. Once Alinsky to do the right thing. In addition senior Ukrainian government officials denied any awareness of a linkage between US security assistance and investigations these denials. Those are persuasive because if there was in fact an orchestrated scheme to pressure Ukraine by withholding security assistance. One would think the pause. On Security Assistance I would have been clearly communicated to the Ukrainians Foreign Minister told the media November following news of Ambassador Sunlen written supplemental testimony that Sunland never linked security assistance to investigations for steak. Said I have never seen a direct relationship between investigations nations and security assistance although there is some testimony that Ukrainian officials from the embassy in Washington made informal inquiries to the State Department and Defense apartment about these issues with security assistance in July and August. The evidence does not show presidents Alinsky or senior advisors and key. Were aware of the pause until it was publicly reported by Politico on August twenty eighth of subsequent news article explain gene the conflicting testimony that embassy officials in Washington had made informal inquiries about issues with the aid while senior officials heave denied awareness awareness of the pause. The article explained that then Ukrainian Ambassador Charlie who was appointed by presidents Alinsky predecessor went rogue and did not not inform Presidents Alinsky that there is any issue with the aid. According to the news account Presidents Alinsky and his senior team only learned of the pause when it was reported on August. Twenty eighth as ambassador. Volker testified because senior. Ukrainian officials were unaware of the pause there is no leverage implied. The actions of senior Ukrainian government officials while the security assistance was paused reinforces a conclusion that they did not know. The aid was on hold in the fifty five days during which the security assistance was paused. President Dolinsky had five discussions with senior officials on the twenty fifth. He spoke with President Trump on the foam July twenty sixty met with embassador Volker Ambassador Taylor Ambassador Sunland and on August twenty seventh he met with embassador Bolton September first. He met with Vice President Pence in Warsaw and on September fifth he met with Senator Senator Ron Johnson Senator Chris Murphy in Cave in none of these meetings. The president's raise any concern about linkage between security assistance attend investigations in particular the September fifth meeting with Senator Johnson. Senator Murphy is notable. Because they're not part of the trump administration and presidents. It's Alinsky could be candid with them. Did occur during those fifty. Five days were historic effort. By Ukraine's parliament called the rata to implement climent anticorruption reform. Vice President Pant said Press Presidents Linski about these reforms during their September. First Meeting in their depositions ambassador Taylor loud presidents. He's rapid reforms and National Security Council official Morrison testified that during a meeting and Kief they noted that everyone in the Ukrainian side of the table was exhausted because they'd been up all night working on these reforms on September eleventh. President trump discussed the matter with vice president pence. Senator Portman Portman enacting chief-of-staff mulvaney according to Tim Morrison's testimony. They discuss whether whether Ukraine's progress on anticorruption reform was enough to justify releasing the security assistance. Mars testified that Vice President Pence was obviously we armed with the conversation he had with President Solanki and they convinced the president at the age should be dispersed immediately the president then and lifted the whole concluding this point we have considerable evidence that president trump was skeptical of Ukraine due to its corruption. We have evidence the President Skeptical Epochal Foreign Assistance in general and he believes strongly our allies should share the burden for regional defense. We know the White House was reviewing foreign assistance in general to ensure it further. US interests and that Oh and be researched and provided information about which foreign countries were contributing money to Ukraine. President Trump told Senator Johnson August thirty. First we're reviewing it now and you'll probably like my final decision. He told ambassador. Silent On. September ninth. I want to lend ski to you. Do what he ran on presidents Alinsky. Who ran on an anti-corruption platform was an untried politician with ties to a potential controversial oligarch vice president pence reiterated presidents Alinsky that on September first the need for reform was paramount after President Linski paused? I'm sorry after presidents alinsky past historic anti-corruption reforms. The pause on security assistance. Vince was lifted and the president's met two weeks later. The Ukrainian government never took any action on investigations at issue in the impeachment inquiry much has been made about so called shadow or irregular foreign policy apparatus. The president trump is alleged to have orchestrated as a mechanism to force Ukraine Ukraine initiate investigations. The allegation is president trump conspired to recall ambassador IANOVICH from Ukraine. So he's agents could pursue was scheme to pressure Ukraine to conduct these investigations but there are logical flaws with these arguments. I every ambassador interviewed in the impeachment. Inquiry acknowledged the president has an absolute right to recall ambassadors for any reason or no reason apparent to president trump. Lost Confidence in Ambassador Bridge. And it's simply not an abuse of power for him to recall her beyond that the trump administration replaced ambassador Yvonne of its with embassador. Bill Taylor who became one of the first State Department officials to voice concerns discussed during the course of our inquiry. Here fact Basseterre Taylor played a prominent role in some of the hearings last month. If president trump truly sought to remove ambassador Ianovich part of various plan. He certainly would not have replaced. Placed her with some of the lights of ambassador. Bill Taylor second the three. US officials who comprise the so-called shadow shadow foreign policy apparatus ambassador Volker Sunland and secretary. Perry can hardly be called irregular and certainly not outlandish all we're senior. US officials with official interest in Ukraine policy the three kept the State Department and the NFC informed of their activities. Finally there is evidence that Mayor Giuliani did not speak on behalf of the president. According to a new story on November twenty. Second Mr Jahr. Mac asked embassador volker to connect Tim with mayor. Giuliani because Alinsky team was surprised. By the NAACP by the mayor's negative comments about Ukraine. They wanted to change his wind. Both embassador Volker in his deposition in your Mac in an August New York Times article denied that mayor. Giuliani was speaking on behalf of president trump as his is agent instead as ambassador Volker explained. The Ukrainian government saw Giuliani as a conduit through which they could change the president's mind the second allegation at issue of course is whether the president obstructive congressman by not agreeing to all the demands for documents and testimony a somebody with experience with the congressional investigations and strongly. I strongly believe in Congress's Article One authority but this impeachment inquiry is departed party drastically from pass. Bipartisan precedents for presidential impeachment as well as the fundamental tenets of fair and effective congressional oversight. I process matters the bipartisan rude. You know hide precedents guaranteed fundamental fairness and due process to the president it allows substantive minority participation in participation from the President's council in the fact finding process neither aspect. WAS President here. Democrats denied us. Witnesses Democrats voted down subpoenas. We saw at the issue for both documents and testimony and Democrats never brought to a committee. Vote any of the subpoenas that were issued. They were tabled Democrats directly witnesses. Not Answer our questions. And these sorts of actions de-legitimize the inquiry and do not give the witnesses or the president confidence that the inquiry is fair. The president or any potential witnesses to this impeachment inquiry should be allowed to raise defenses fences without it being used as an adverse inference against him courts have held that the constitution mandates and accommodations process between the branches for this reason. Congressional oversight is a time intensive endeavor certainly takes longer than seventy six days here however the initial letters. There's from Democrats instructed potential witnesses that if they did not cooperate in full it shall constitute evidence of obstruction. Democrats wanted to all their demands honored immediately. We and we're unwilling to consider the executive branches. Privileges or defenses. Finally there is no basis for obstruction. The one witness said he spoke to President Trump about his appearance as a witness ambassador. Sunlen testified the president told him to cooperate and tell the truth. The president has declassified and released the call summary of July twenty fifth and April twenty. First calls with President Lansky. Whitehouse wrote the Speaker Pelosi to say that it was willing to cooperate further other if the house returned to a well established bipartisan constitutional based impeachment process as we know these protections were never recorded in closing. I'd like to briefly address. The Democrats narrative is articulated in their report. The Democrat narrative virtually ignores any the evidence. It's not helpful. For their case. It ignores for instance that embassador silence testimony that he presented there was a quid pro quo and it ignores the many public. The statements made by Ukrainian officials. The report presents a story as if the evidence is clear when in reality it's anything but the Democrats have gone to great lengths to gather information to build their case and they've even obtained in released phone records relating to the communications of the president's personal attorney any a reporter and a member of Congress there are additional phone records That have not yet been released and our members remain concerned about the prospect of more phone records. Being released there have been a lot of high hyper hyperbole. A lot of hysteria over the last three months about this inquiry and the underlying facts. I believe this can be traced back to the anonymous whistleblower. Complaint I believe the whistle blower reframed a lot of the facts at issue and caused witnesses in the inquiry to recast their views. And it's unfortunate that we haven't been able to interview the whistle blower finally some of like in the impeachment inquiry to a special prosecutor investigation. One accepts that comparison one should also expect expect that Ken Starr and Robert Mueller. The chairman should testify and our our members. All the committees. Believe very strongly strongly that chairman shift should should testify an answer questions with that Mr Chairman. The time is yours. I never recognize myself for the first round of questions. The Republican the Republicans expert witness last week Professor Turley wrote in an article that quote. There is no question that the use of public office for personal gain is an impeachable offense including the withholding of military aid in exchange for the investigation of a political opponent. You just I have to prove it happened close quote. That was missed attorneys comment. Mr Goldman did they invent did the investigative committees conclude. The evidence proved that the president uses uses public office for personal gain. Yes Mr Chairman. And in fact finding effect five said President trump used use the power of the office of the president to apply increasing pressure on the president of Ukraine and the Ukrainian government to announce the politically motivated investigations desired by president trump and did the evidence evidence also proves that president trump withheld military aid in exchange for nouncement of an investigation of his political opponent. Yes it did. In fact finding a fact fact five BC said quote president trump acting through his agents and subordinates conditioned release over the vital military SEC- had suspended to Ukraine on the presence is Ukraine's public announcement of the investigations that president trump sought and did the evidence demonstrate that president trump undermined the national security interests of the United States. Yes in many. In several ways and finding a fact six said in directing and orchestrating the scheme to advance his personal a political interests president trump did not implement promote or advance. US Anti corruption policies. In fact the president sought to pressure induced the government of Ukraine to announce announced politically motivated investigations lacking legitimate predication. The US government otherwise discourages and poses as a matter of policy in that country country in and around the world in so doing the president undermine US policy supporting anticorruption reform and the rule of law in Ukraine and undermine US national social security and did the evidence also show the president trump compromising national security of the United States yes in fact finding FAC ax. Seven said by withholding vital military assistance and diplomatic support from a strategic foreign partner. Government engage in ongoing military conflict Catholic illegally instigated by Russia. President trump compromise national security to advance his personal political interests and did the evidence disprove that president trump engaged in a scheme to cover up his conduct and obstruct congressional investigators. Yes right from the outset and in fact finding a fact nine says using the power of the office of the President and exercising is the thirty over the executive branch president trump ordered and implemented a campaign pain to conceal his conduct for the public and frustrate and obstruct the House of Representatives impeachment inquiry finally the constitutional scholars. How's my hearing last week? That's divided the presence conduct toward Ukraine pattern of inviting foreign election. Interference was a continuing risk to our are free and fair elections. The evidence proved that president trump was a threat to our elections yester- DEMONSTRA chairman and in fact finding effect eight says faced with the revelation of his actions. President trump publicly and repeatedly persisted and urging foreign investments foreign governments including Ukraine in China to investigate political opponent this continued to solicitation of foreign interference in the US election presents. A clear and present danger. The president will continue to use the power of his office for his first political gain for his personal political gain. Close quote I would add in the next election value the council Mr Burke for additional questioning Castro's inexperienced investigator. Would you agree that is is relevant to look at evidence bearing on the president's state of mind that may help explain the president's actions talked about show. Michael Tell us your mic. Please Sir my only question to you. Is that a relevant thing to consider right. Like the Cali. Avid Senator Johnson. Is it relevant. Would you agree that Joe Biden was a leading democratic contender to face. President trump twenty twenty. I wouldn't agree with you disagree with so it's your testimony. It's too early. President trump did not view president biden to be a legitimate contender. President trump believes her didn't believe is too early serves party party year inquiry. Did you determine whether president trump tweeted at all about vice former vice president Joe Biden between January and July twenty fifth. And how many times I didn't I didn't look at twitter. I try to stay on twitter lately. The president trump tweet debate tweeted about former vice president. Joe Biden over twenty five times between January. You and July twenty fifth. I didn't I didn't look at those tweets. Did you look at how many times president trump mentioned vice president biden in a speech speech rally leading up to the July twenty fifth call. President trump goes to a lot of rallies. He does a lot of tweeting. I think it's pretty difficult to draw too many conclusions from his tweets or is statements rallies. Mr Castor you are aware that president trump announced his candidacy for re-election Twenty twenty-nine announced the month before for the July twenty fifth call on June. Twenty first okay. Did you find that you look at that in your investigation. As part of looking at president trump's in ten somewhat he intended on on the July twenty fifth call the Dedi announced his and he's obviously running for reelection. What does it? What does the data announced his intent to run for reelection? And Sir Sir you knew that President Biden it already announces intend to run April of that year to correct. It's been related to me I. I don't know vice. President Biden indicated gated. He's GonNa run as I sit here today so you would agree with me that if the Ukraine announced the corruption investigation of former Vice President Joe Biden that would hurt his credibility as a candidate candidate. Would you agree with that. Basic principle. Sir Nobody yes or no sir. Would you agree with that principle. I slightly disagree with the with the predicate with with the premise of your question. Hunter Biden question. That requests opinion gentleman is not back nuys. The gentleman has the floor. I object to the question. Gentlemen's Lon weather. The questions in order questions question is in order. The gentleman will continue why the gentleman will continue his time. Let's get back to the fact that we're talking about eight. Ambiguous lines in a transcript You know the president was not asking for a personal favourite. He was speaking on behalf of the American people he said. And I'll read it. I'd like you to find out what happened with the whole situation. Ukraine they say crowd strike. I guess you have one of your wealthy people so I'm not asking you to read that. Let me let me if you WanNa talk about the transcript. I don't want to talk to you about some day. You said it's eight lines. Let's look at slide three if we may the reference to buy so you see on the July twenty fifth call on page four. Is it the fact that president trump and his call with President Alinsky. He said that he heard that former vice president Joe Biden had stopped. The prosecution of the sun is that correct. Sir Yes or no you says the other thing. There's a lot of talk about Biden son. That Biden Stop the prosecution and a lot of that is correct. He said he stopped the prosecution point of order. He's entitled to answer questions. I am fully gentlemen. There's a video of the former VP. I think that's what the president's referring to he was at the Council on Foreign Relations and it was a little bit of the former. Vp a little bit audacious in in how he describes you went over Kamali. Asking you what it says on the transcript. Is that what it says. Her says the other thing. There's a lot of talk about Biden son and that Biden stop the prosecution. It says that correct. That's what it says here. Yeah and then it also says it goes on to say president trump as presidents. Alinsky if you can look into it correct. Is that that the words if you can look into it correct. That's what it says. Many says so president trump I write president. Trump was asking Ukrainian presidents alinsky to have the Ukrainian officials look into vice president. Joe Biden correct. Is that correct yesterday. I don't I don't think the record supports that it. It doesn't say can you look into it. President trump is not asking him. I don't I don't think it supports then. I think it's ambiguous Goldman urine experience federal prosecutor. I know that firsthand is this. President trump asking presidents Alinsky to investigate his political rival Joe Biden and UH. I don't think there's any other way to read the words on the page then to conclude that Mr. Castro Castro you made appoint let me ask you a question as an experienced investigator. Is it your experience that when someone has done something wrong floor corrupt. And they're dealing with somebody WHO's not in the scheme that they state take their intentions to do something wrong incorrupt. Is that your experiences investigator. I mean he's not GonNa have to call transfer just asking general in general you're saying that a schemer. Yes would talk about his scheme. Would he generally admit that he was doing something wrong. Corrupt someone not in the scheme and you made a big point certain year presentation that on that call. President trump did not go further and tell presidents Alinsky that he wanted the investigation announce to help his twenty twenty. He he definitely do not talk about twenty two hundred and Mr Goldman. Would you agree that if Miss President trump was acting corruptly wrongfully abusing his power that it was unlikely he was gonNA confess first the president's Alinsky that he was asking for the investigation explicitly to help his twenty twenty election prospects and my experience as ten years as a prosecutor. You you almost never have a defendant or a someone who's engaging in misconduct who would ever explicitly say in this case presidents Alinsky. I'm going to bribe you now. Where I'm going to ask for a bribe or I am now going to extort you? That's not the way these things work. Thank you Mr Goldman and Mister Kessler Giddy. Gak to you. You said that talk about Hunter Biden and talked about it. One Hundred Biden. It'd been on the board of Barista going back to two thousand fourteen correct correct yes. President trump supported Ukraine aid with eight and otherwise in both twenty eight twenty seventeen in two thousand eighteen correct. President trump has done a lot for Ukraine. Yes and Sir but isn't it correct that president trump did not raise anything about Hunter Biden and his father vice president Joe Biden in two thousand seventeen or eighteen. He only did it the year before his election in two thousand twenty when both he and Vice President Joe Biden. We're leading candidates is so that true sir. I take what happened. Is the president. Solve this video of the former. VP coalesced in his mind. Please answer my question. And he didn't raise any of these issues in twenty seven or twenty eight. I don't know that he that he did or he didn't. I mean that is not something that we've looked at. You have no evidence that he did. Did you know. But I've no evidence he did not. I mean this video is pretty sir. Let me let me ask you this. You talked about lieutenant. Colonel then men who was a highly decorated purple heart recipient and and worked in the trump administration. Correct is her. He had a reaction to the call didn't he he did. He was listening to it. Correct he did he wins look at his reaction he said I immediately went to John. Eisenberg the lead legal counsel you said it is improper for the president of the United States to demand a foreign government investigate a US citizen and a political opponent. That was his testimony correct. Yes Yeah No. That was the money. Yes yes and let me ask you this or you. You had said that. The Intelligence Committee majority report. The Mr Goldman had talked about. You said it presents as if things are clear. But they're not clear. Is that what you said. Sir that's absolutely correct and you also worked on you personally said worked on the minority report. Correct Yesser was it important to you to be accurate it in the minority Portland. She worked on. Was it important to be fair to witnesses to be accurate about what they said of. Course was it important to be fair to the American people of course accurately report what people said. Well let me ask you about somebody else on that call. Let me ask you about Jennifer Williams. Now she was a special advisor to vice to vice president pence it's on Europe and Russia. Fares is that correct. Yes she worked for vice president pence correct correct. And you said in your opening statement that these these accusations that president trump was trying to do something for political purposes that was made by people who were pre had predetermined motives for impeachment that correct but I also indicated that some of these the witnesses in the impeachment inquiry I think have revised their views. After after the call transcript came out and then whistleblower complaint was released. Are you calling vice. President Pence is special advisor. Aligarh Sir I didn't say that are you calling. Are you saying she was predetermined to impeach. I didn't say a question about Jennifer Williams is interesting is I ask you sir. She she never mentioned anything to supervisor. She never mentioned anything to anybody in the vice president's office in route to Warsaw when the vice president going to meet with presidents Alinsky she didn't even raise it as a potential issue that might catch the vice president off guard. Mr Her concern that she articulated during the course of the deposition in during the course of the hearing was incongruent incongruent and with the with the facts and what she did during times relevant Mr Castro. Let's look at your report. You wrote a report about Miss Williams so we could put up slide six please and you made the same point that you tried to make to discount her testimony you said. She testified testified that although she found the call to be unusual she did not. She did not raise concerns to our supervisor. Nobody in America Erica new about Jennifer Williams's concerns until she walked into the door for her deposition. So when you said that. Although she found the call to be unusual that was is an accurate. That's not what she said about the call. She didn't say was just unusual did she. She said it was unusual. That's all she said about. It was okay. I mean she she was here for nine hours in the bunker so she said a lot about that. was you in the mustard deck. We can't I just wanted to. Gentleman will suspend. The gentleman has the time we can't see the stuff came as I'm happy to read it. Jennifer Williams testified that quote. Although she found the call to be unusual quote. She did not end quote. She did not raise concerns to her supervisor. Isn't it a factor that Miss Williams said a lot more than that if we're GONNA have a point of order gentleman was status point of order. The climate of order is gentleman Florida's complained he can't see what the questioner is relying on and would like to see it and that is not a point of order and it was read to him gentleman Lukas Lucas only half of it was read to him relevant. Slow down a bit here. Let's slow down a bit here so that members are able to fully see what is being put in support of what you're trying to do. We can't do that without being able to see it or read it. Mr Gates said that Let's slow slow down so that we can see or hear what he is referring to. And you're not letting that happen and that goes to the privileges of the members of this gym. We'll send the vote. Gentleman will suspend the chairman. I could see we now. I appreciate the accommodation. It's the monitor was turned. Now we can see gentlemen were resumed. Thank you MR chairman. So inherit says Miss Williams said that she found it to be quote unusual and nothing more. Let's look at slide seven or let's look at it says unusual correct isn't it but it doesn't say nothing more no says unusual isn't effects or that will miss Williams says is she'd struck her as unusual end. Inappropriate is in that correct circa. That's what she said in her testimony. Okay and in your staff report you left out. The inappropriate part isn't a block quote and it was she. She felt it was unusual. She didn't raise the concerns. That Lieutenant General Kellogg so so let me ask you were. You is fair to the American people in describing what Miss Williams said as you were describing any everything else in your report. I don't have an issue with the way we described Miss Williams testimony. Well let's look at what else Miss Williams said. Can we put up slide eight. This is from Miss Williams a public testimony at thirty four. She said quote. I thought that the references to specific individuals investigations such such as former Vice President Biden and his son struck me as political in nature. Given that former vice president is a political opponent of the president. So you you live that out of your staff reported in you you know Miss Williams. Did you leave that out of your yes or no I. If you're telling me I did I mean I don't I don't know as I sit here right now. That's telling you you did okay and do you have an explanation sir. Are We said you said Miss Williams said that the call was unusual when she fact she said it was unusual in an appropriate and of a political nature because it raised vice president the vice president who she recognized was a political opponent of the president. Her views differ remarkably from Mr Morrison. Also Lieutenant General Kelly. That's how my question my question is. Why did you miss quote Miss Williams in terms of what would you miss quarter so you stand so from the standard that you apply? Lie to your fact finding in your report you believe that. It was entirely proper to say that Miss Williams found the call to be unusual when in fact she found the call. It'd be unusual and inappropriate and of a political nature given that the former vice president is a political opponent of the president. Is that your testimony. Sir I mean we described arrived Miss Williams said No. You didn't Miss Chairman. Mr Mr Castor. You just invoked. Tim Morrison he was someone on the call to correct. And let me put up. Slide nine of Mr Morrison's testimony on page thirty eight public testimony and Mr Morrison said well. The question was questioned by Mr Goldman. You heard the call you recognize recognize that president trump was not discussing the talking points that the NFC had prepared based on official US policy and was instead talking about the investigations. That Fiona Hill had warned. You about and then you reported it immediately to the NFC legal adviser is that correct claim. Events here and Mr Morrison said that's correct. Yes you Mister Kessler. Let me ask you Mr Goldman earlier before your presentation. We showed the testimony of Miss Hill where she referred to what president trump was trying to do is running a domestic political Erin. Is that what you understand. Is that what you intended as Mr Morrison about in your question to him. Yes it was about this too specific investigations that president trump ultimately did discuss and asked Presidents Alinsky to do. These are the same two investigations. Is that were discussed. And we're the only two investigations that were at issue throughout the entirety of the scheme. And so what are evidence found. was that any time time. There was a reference to investigations it reference the Biden Investigation and the two thousand sixteen election investigation and in fact ambassador. Volker actually really said that whenever he was saying using the term corruption what he meant was those specific to investigations. And what was the significance to you that Mr Morrison send who. Mr Castro himself has relied on invoked twice today where he said he understood. These were the investigations that Fiona Hill had warned him about out warned him about. What did you understand that to mean when Dr Hill left and to Morrison replaced her they had transition meetings and during in one of those transition meetings? Dr Hill told him Morrison about what she believed to be. This irregular channel. That ambassador Sunland was operating. Where they we're pushing for Ukraine to do these investigations? Dr Hill in particular is very concerned because as she said as you pointed out that was a domestic political errand and what she was working on. The National Security Council was working on related to national security and foreign policy and those were two entirely separate thing and when she expressing the view that president trump had chose his own personal political interests over the foreign policy positions that Ms Hill was trying to pursue at the time that she said that Tim Morrison she was not aware of whether president trump had actually endorsed these investigations. But she did testify that after after she read the call. Transcript which you only read after it was released like the rest of us. She said that she put two and two together and realize that that is exactly what he was talking doc and what was to in to again equals four and what is for in this investigation sir. Well there was used by two witnesses embassador sunland and David Holmes served as the only logical conclusion to explain why security assistance had been withheld was being withheld from Ukraine and based based on all of the various factors and their direct involvement in issues related to Ukraine. They concluded that the security assistance was being withheld. Ah put pressure and as a condition on the initiation of the two investigations that are referenced. Here turn to you MR cleric. I got a clear a couple of things up here if I may. First of all Morrison was concerned. Marson didn't think the caller you know criminal questions. Yeah it'll mean has the time not the witting sir. Let me concerned about LE- let let me ask you. Sir Sir you said by the way in Volt Volker never meant as the time the clock will stop interrupted. This witness be able. We'll don't policy examine mister bark. Like he's being able to cross cam in the post as not not shout out in the middle of testimony and you need to call balls instruct the right way. You don't interrupt one of your your Kushner witness the donor I the gentleman will continue. Sir Sir I believe it was your testimony is I wrote it down. The Democrats are about blocking Info when they should be seeking information. That is absolutely right. Okay and then you. You said that. The trump administration has in fact cooperated and facilitated Congressional Oversight Investigations. That correct Sir just yes or no. Is that correct absolutely. The trump administration Australia's participated in oversight during the entire Congress until it got to this impeachment inquiry. So let me ask you about this call Sir. Robert Blair's Robert Blair. who was on this call? The trump administration the president himself directed him not to appear and give testimony Ronald Blair. Let's go I'm asking. The president directed not to appear give testimony. Yes or no. I think he was allowed to comment agency council. He was not allowed to come under the term set by the house. Intelligence Committee correct. I think he would have come with agency council. The trump administration version directed him not to come correct he would have provided testimony. I think if agency council could've come I mean it's really expensive dire. These outside lawyers. John Eisenberg Berg was directed not to come correct. The lawyers. Enberg presents another setback but he. He was directed not to come the lawyer. Who Lieutenant Colonel Vin men went to correct? Okay Eisenberg he's a he may have been able to come with agency council but he presents. Complexities I mean. He's the chief legal adviser for Ambassador Bolton's so he was directed not to come correct he. He may have been able to come with agency council but his testimony does present complexities. So let me ask you this was it. US Policy on July twenty six Mr request that Ukraine investigate former vice president Joe Biden. I think you're reading a little too much into some of the eight lines. I don't think the president was requesting an investigation into India. Joe Biden. He just mentioned offhand. Comment Matt Sir. Is that a no. It was not US policy to look into. Joe Biden you but you're presuming that then at some point became US policy to investigate. Joe Biden. And I don't think that's the case. Sir Let me show you what slide ten testimony of all again Lieutenant Colonel Vincent and he was asked. Are you aware of any written product from the National Security Council suggesting that investigations in the twenty two thousand election. The Biden's response part of the official policy United States. No I'm not now. Let me go also to Tim. Ed Morrison who you invoked if we could go to slide eleven. Mr Morrison was asked by our own congressman swallow who was also on the Intelligence Committee and said just go pick up in the middle of that long question. It said you listen to the the one call that you listen to the United States and the president of Ukraine. The president of the United States priorities priorities. Were to investigate the Biden's and I'm asking you sir. Why why didn't you follow up? On the president's priorities when you talk to the Ukraine Ukrainians Mr Morris. Sir I did not understand it as a policy objective Mr Goldman. LemMe ask you. There was a package prepared before that call of what president trump was supposed to talk about with the president's alinsky correct correct. Yes and like that. One of the things that he was supposed to talk about it was in his prepared. Remarks was the anti-corruption platform of presidents residents Alinsky that he ran and won on correct. Yes the witnesses testified that that is a consistent and persistent policy objective for the United States did president trump mentioned corruption once in his call with President with Mr Dolinsky. No he did not did he. Mention looking into anything other than the two investigations that were politically helpful helpful to him. The two thousand sixteen election investigation and the investigation of his political rival former vice president. Joe Biden No. He did not sir. There were two lawyers lawyers mentioned on the call Mister. We've heard testimony. We've heard testimony already. Mr Trump said to residents president president trump said the president's presidents Linski that he should speak to people his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and the attorney general bar. Correct okay immediately. Immediately after this call memorandum was release. Is it the case that Attorney General Bar and the Department of Justice issued a statement about his role in all this doc. Let's put up the statement slide. Thirteen please the parliament of justice. The president has not spoken with the attorney. General About having Ukraine investigate anything relating to former Vice President Biden the sun. The president has not as the attorney general to contact Ukraine on this or any other matter. The Attorney General has not communicated with Ukraine on this or any other subject. So Mr Goldman is it fair to say that the Attorney General didn't want anything to do with these investigations that president trump had raised with presidents alinsky on the call. Well I think it goes a little further. I think. Attorney whether the attorney general one in anything to do or not is in addition to the fact that the attorney general general said he had nothing to do with Ukraine and in fact that there were no ongoing investigations at the time of this call or in August and that became a became an issue in the investigation. There is a formal channel that the Department of Justice has in the United States. Government has to obtain evidence related to an ongoing investigation. Matt is generally the proper way to engage a foreign country through treaties to get an information but several witnesses testified that they looked into that at the urging of the Ukrainians and they determined that there was no formal ongoing investigation Gatien nor any formal request on these topics. Now the the other lawyer on the call Rudy Giuliani. He however he was more than happy to continue to be involved in trying to get Ukraine to investigate president trump's political rival Joe Biden correct. Mr Giuliani was very active and involved in pushing pushing for these investigations for several months before the July twenty fifth call and then for several months after including apparently three days ago. And Sir Mr Catcher degree you wrote in your report that Rudy Giuliani that the Ukrainians themselves knew that Rudy Giuliani. The president's personal lawyer was a conduit to convince President Trump of that presents Alinsky was a serious reformer correct well Ukrainians trainings knew that sorry. Isn't that what you said. Your report rudy had the president's ear and he was a conduit there you put up a a slide. Fourteen if I may and we actually have your report here and it says the Ukrainians knew that he meaning rudy. Giuliani was a conduit to convince convinced. President trump that presidents alinsky serious about reform. Is that what you wrote your mortar. Okay and and in fact during the call president in trump asked presidents Alinsky to speak directly to his personal lawyer about Ukrainian matters that president trump was interested in correct you referred to Rudy. Yes Uh and in fact presents Alinsky said Oh. We already knew that in. And he's been in touch with my aides correct. That's right. In fact I mean Ukrainians are the ones that first presidents Linski is the one who first brings up district Juliani on the call because they knew that Mr Giuliani was a conduit to the president and if they made Mr Giuliani happy they make per the president trained at the ambassador. Volker testified that Mr Giuliani had a negative impression of Ukraine and he was possibly fueling and the president's views and so they had there were some discussions about. Hey you can convince rudy that presidents skis a true reformer the real deal all that that would be a beneficial beneficial link. We'll so you agree. That President Giuliani before July. Twenty July twenty fifth call and after was pushing for the Ukrainians to investigate vice former vice president. Joe Biden in that correct the record is somewhat spotty with usually on the New York Times reported may ambassador. Volker gave pretty detailed account of his meeting in July nineteenth. Well let's let's take a look if we could put up slide. Sixteen the The New York Times article you refer to article says I'll read it. Mr Giuliani and this is dated. May Ninth Two thousand nineteen before the. Call Mr Giuliani said. He plans to travel to Kiev via the Ukrainian capital in the coming days and wants to meet with the nation's president-elect to urge him to pursue inquiries that continues that allies of the White House contend could yield new information about to matters of intense interest. Mr Trump one is the origin. Special Counsel's investigation goes on to describe it. New Sends the other is the involvement of former vice president. Joe Biden's son and now that was in the New York Times article and we've we talk about the breakfast with Volker we could. We could not yet if we could continue the rest of the article to the next slide which is slide seventeen. This is the same article and Mr Giuliani was very explicit when he was interviewed he said and this is in foreign policy. Now you've quoting the words that are highlighted. Says they'll be very very helpful to my client. My only client is the President United States. He's the one I have an obligation to report to to him. What happened regarding the Ukraine rain? Now so were you aware on that same day. Mr Giuliani gave an interview about what he intended to do. And let's go to slide eighteen. This is from Rear Real uh-huh real clear politics and should be in the screen in front of you as well and what. He's what Mr Giuliani said about the Ukraine. He said it's a big story. It's a dramatic story. And I guarantee you. Joe Biden will not to election day without being investigated. Not because I want to see him investigated gated the collateral to what I was doing so you agree. Election Day refers to the twenty twenty election where president trump will be running against. We'll be running for re election. I acton which I guess you're right the that was my only question to you. You'll have a chance to answer questions. That minority council now and president trump. Let me show you. He's seven. We're we'RE GONNA SIDESTEP VOLKER meeting on July nineteenth so you'll have an opportunity to talk about that when when Minority Council questions you let me go to slide. Nine thousand nine please. And the President says he's being interviewed now the same day and politico and he's asked about Mr Giuliani. He's leaving soon own. I think in the next couple of days Mr Trump says I see well I will speak to him about it before he leaves now. Let me go to supplied twenty because president in this one. It's actually a tweet that he put out on June twenty-first twenty nine thousand nine roughly a month before the call. He says new president of Ukraine still silent on investigation of Ukrainian interference in two thousand sixteen election and allege Biden bribery of the prior president and president and again Sir as you said the Ukrainians new. The Mr Giuliani had the year of his client. President trump. Isn't that correct sir. That correct sir. Yes or no. The Giuliani was in doing some things out here. And then he became involved with the official channel with bulker with Sunland and and at that meeting on July Nineteen Volker counseled against the perspective. Giuliani was taking so my question. Is this tweet what they're talking about. Well let me issue Mr Goldman Channel. This tweet is that referring to a personal political issue of president trump or official official. US policy. That's A. That's a personal political issue. If you don't mind I'll just take a moment to respond to Mr Castro because these do on July nineteenth meeting between handbasket or volcker and Rudy Giuliani ambassador. Volker told Mr Giuliani that the allegations about Joe Biden. Were completely bogus. Yes and wrong and Mr Giuliani actually told according to ambassador volkers testimony. Mr Giuliani said that he knew that and yet for the next two months he continue to push for that same investigation at the direction of president trump who had also directed presidents Alinsky to contact Mr Giuliani so that July nineteenth meeting Mr Castro brought up is actually quite important to this investigation and so you you already explained that on May twenty third. When the official folks who went to the inauguration of president came back to tell the president how impressed they were the only thing he had to say to them was talked to rudy? He was taking his official government people responsible for Ukraine and handing them over to Rudy Giuliani. So that they can work with him for the issues that he was focused on for the president as evidence in the tweet is that fair. I agree with Mister Kessler. I think that's that's what the evidence shows that at that may twenty third meeting. President trump directed and delegated authority over Ukraine. Matters is to ambassador Sunland Volker Secretary Perry and told them to work with Rudy and then over the next three months. That's exactly what happened at the president's direction. Okay in fact let let me show you what is slide. Twenty two. If I may that you understood the Ukrainians recognized how important Rudy Giuliani was and satisfying him in order to stay on good terms with president trump. Yes they quickly realized I think from their own internal conversations because Mr Giuliani had back channels to getting to to the Ukrainian officials and Ambassador Volker told to the Ukrainians as well there was this quote. Giuliani factor that presidents alinsky actually told to presidents alinsky Giuliani factor that they needed to deal with with the the president. And in fact this is the senior aide to presidents alinsky saying to Vascular Volker on August thirteenth which is obviously after the July twenty fifth call. Aw thank you for meeting. And you're clear and very logical position will be great meet with you before my departure and discuss. I feel that the key for many things is rudy. You ready to talk to him with him at any point. Please let me know when you can meet Audrey and again that's rooted the my right. That's the Ukrainians recognized that Rudy Giuliani. There's demanding the investigation of Mr Trump's political rival was key getting anything done. I don't mean to be stickler but I believe this text was actually July tenth uh-huh and this was a critical text because what it is saying is Mr Earmark after having spoken to Mr. Volcker a week before and learning about the importance of Giuliani requested to ambassador Volker to meet to set up a meeting with Mr Giuliani that then proceeded to this July nineteenth breakfast that Mr Castro said July twenty second phone call and then ultimately they met in Madrid on August. Second thank you. Mr Goldman further evidence of the meticulous investigation that AW Chairman Chef and his staff directed we will stand corrected. Thank you and I will take that. As the record reflect that that is the correct date and I either case Rudy. Thirty one key whenever it was set correct certainly and now let me ask Sir let me put up slide twenty four and Mr Goldman am I correct that there came a point in time when president trump through his chief of staff Mr Move All old Mick Mulvaney ordered that the approved military Ukraine be withheld as you previously indicated correct. Yes and this is the testimony the people who were involved Mr. Ken said when this happened. There was great confusion among the rest of us because we didn't understand why that happened since there was unanimity that this it's eight was in our national interest. It just surprised us all Mr Holmes and then you had the additional hold of the security assistance with no explanation whatsoever and we still have an explanation and we still don't have an explanation for why that happened or in the way that happened. Miss Croft the only reason given was that the order came at the direction of the President President. So Sir let me ask question. Did all the agencies involved believed that the it should be given yes. It was is the unanimous view of all of the Agencies Secretary State Department of State Department of Defense National Security Council literally every one of of the interagency agencies that that believed that the aid was vital and had already been approved and should be released immediately really and in the minority staff report. and Mr Castro's testimony earlier he said the US government did not convey the the policy the Ukrainians well. That wasn't correct. Was it. Then Mr Sunlen a convey that according to Mr Saban Lund's affidavit and testimony Mr Sunland automatically conveyed that the release of the aid was conditioned on the now public announcement of the investigations. And we can put up slide twenty-six from the APP. What he said? Well if I may just in response we'll put up the side. We put up at the actual affidavit that MR ambassador acid than the president trump's ambassador to the European Union that he swore to under penalty of perjury and he says if we read the highlight which is also in front of you you I now recall speaking individually with Mr Your Mac where I said that where I said to Mr Your Ukrainian aid that going back to the quote that resumption of US aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anti-crruption statement that we have been discussing for many weeks. Is that correct sir. Yes he said that on on at a meeting on September first with Mr Earmark in Warsaw and the statement that they had been talking about. Let me put up a slide that we put together slide twenty seven and you recall sir. That and the draft statement that the Ukrainians were GONNA have president's alinsky gifts. So they could it. was that that statement on their minds so they could get a White House meeting and satisfy president trump and the aid released yes. Ambassador Sunland testified to that and Ambassador Volker also testified to that and am I correct that Mr Chairman gave a statement where he did not make any reference to Vice President Biden correct correct and then was that Rudy Giuliani. WHO said in the second second one that it had to include a reference that they were going to investigate Burris Ma and the two thousand sixteen election that's right and what did Burris Stanford that was was that did you all your witnesses say they had an understanding of what that meant? The witnesses say that so every single witness said after reading the phone call on July twenty fifth that it was clear Barista Equal Biden. They were one and the same there. Only two witnesses who said that they did not know that until that time and there was ample testimony there was a lot of testimony from people all involved in all aspects of Ukraine policy. Who indicated that it was completely unrealistic and unlikely that anyone who had anything to do with Ukraine did not know that the Barista investigation related to the Biden's and is that why and that's how Mr Giuliani publicly referred to as often as brief and vice president Biden correct right here and did the Ukrainians complained repeatedly? We talked a little bit about it. They didn't want to be upon and US democratic politics by helping president trump's reelection in campaign by making such a statement. They said that in July and in August ultimately they didn't give the statement in large part because they had reservations given the president's Alinsky was was an anti-corruption reformer they had reservations about engaging in US domestic politics. I WANNA go back to you Mr Castor. You who said that. When President Trump said to Mr saw ambassador saw and then on September seventeenth that he had no quid pro quo? You said he had no reason. You said ninth to September ninth. You said he had no reason to be any less than candidate. That's what you said. No reason be any less than candidate. Let me show you sir. What happened happen though on September fifth let me show you slide fifty two days before he made that statement? The Washington Post printed an article that says trump tries to fours Ukraine to meddle in the twenty twenty elections and goes on to describe some of those efforts. And let me show you. Whether President Trump was aware of that article before he volunteered no quid pro quo as a defense. Let me show you a tweet. By president trump on slide fifty. Three now and again this is. He is putting out at tweet. That essentially saying the Democrats based on and follow up the article that they are pursuing impeachment again showing awareness that this has now been reported on so Mr Goldman is it fair fair to say what Mr Caster said that. Mr Trump president trump had no reason to be any less than candid about saying no quid. Pro Quo No I. I think president trump had every reason to try to put out that message at that point as ambassador. Sunlen said even when he even if you credit ambassador Zahn Lind's version of the testimony which is contradicted by other witnesses who took contemporaneous notes and are far more credible than Mr Sunland who had to amend his testimony a a couple of times he said. Even in that comment he said no quid pro quo out of the blue without without any question about whether or not there was a quid pro quo the chair. Now recognizes ranking members. I for his first round of questions. Question is a question that you had earlier you know. How many approximately? How many times do you wrong Gordon testimony in your report? It's a nearly three hundred page report. Would you be raised. Took six hundred times or better. I wouldn't have any idea or not. I have no idea okay. You did over six hundred times. Would you also understand if you do imple- check of your report over one hundred and fifty eight times mistress island said instead of not knowing something to the best of my knowledge. Or I don't know the surprise you or are you talking about the reporter deposition that the deposition and the closed door testimony. Yes and over time. He remembered a lot more refreshed by other people's tests the question. We're having here though is Mr Sunlen also said and many times. He said he presumed what actually happened. Let's go back to something else. We'll continue continue this in just a moment. According to your report hip scene were classified that and more determined that to be the intelligence community and the other investigation with the other two committees. We okay with that certainly issue. Dozens of subpoenas is that right. I'm not certainly over a dozen. Yes some of the subpoenas as we're not publicly reported until the hippie issued as majority report correct Most of the subpoenas answer the question is Mr Burke had so much free rein. Let's go at it either. Either answer the question or elaborate one of the other so I'm trying to answer the question I didn't you. Did it. Come out or not. Did what cup outraged it again. Publicly reported until the hips he issued as majority report correct. Yes they were given to the minority not pub- The public. Yes leaving aside the witnesses who the publicly been identified. Did you issue any other subpoenas for testimony other than the ones publicly identified. I don't uh I'm not sure I don't think so. Thank you and I'm not sure. How many subpoenas were issued for records? Well we issued a a number of subpoenas for records we did issue six subpoenas to executive branch agencies and they all defied are subpoenas. And this just moving on to other issues here. The Wall Street Journal reported that the Committee issued at least four subpoenas to verizon. At and T.. For call records. Is that correct. We are wondering yes. We are because there are multiple numbers. It's we only issued subpoenas for call records for people who were involved in the investigation and who had already been subpoenaed by the Committee for documents Minson testimony of their own. Absolutely wonderful FL- Asthma question for well. I am trying to answer your question was it. At least I four. Yes thank you good to save us a lot of time there. How many subpoenas were issued? At and T.. I don't know check your records this. This is important because we just found out about this week and we've got a massive document dump over the weekend preparing for this hearing in which the chairman admitted their staff admitted they're not going to read it all anyway away so for all of you riding imports all that massive document on. We're just simply going on a shift report which she refuses to come testify about percents staff so this is important that we just found found out about this. So how many subpoenas issued. At and T.. I don't know if you'd like me to find that's fine. I know them. Maybe you're chairman can be heard accent so this was it targeted a single telephone number or numbers. We we subpoenaed for call records multiple numbers. How many I don't know none? None one of this is very important though. None of members of Congress none of staff of Congress. We're getting out of Germany getting to that. We only did it to the subjects who are involved in the investigation which is a very very routine and standard investigating practice. And you're not GonNa hear anything from me about a subpoena and legality of Spain and my problem is who asks who on the committee asked that those numbers the numbers that you actually did put into the into four subpoena and get those numbers back. Who Was it that asked that they be cross checked for members of the median and members of Congress? WHO ordered bet? I don't think that's how we did it so you came out with her for that. Actually showed these people such as Mr Chair Nunez and others were actually on these calls. Yes now someone in united. We're not gonNA play cute here. Somebody took that you ask for at least four to those numbers and say hey. Hey let's play match gang. Who ordered the match game for members of Congress and the press with each you? I don't I don't think anyone did sir. Then then how did you get. Yeah okay come on. That's ridiculous item. I've ever heard you don't just all of a sudden pick up numbers in which you have to match those numbers to actually show where they are and you don't come up with him. Who ordered them to actually match from members of Congress and the press? That's actually what you just described is exactly how it happened. You order to find out if Nunez number was on those calls if I I just explained Sir you pick an event of significance in the investigation and you look for sequencing patterns surrounding that event you look at the numbers and you try to identify What those numbers are? And then you start to build a circumstantial case at this point. That's a wonderful explanation but not an answer to my question. Those are you looking for the four numbers you ask for and to see. See how they're connected. I understand the pain that you issued my question directly it was it you or was it chairmanship. They said why we're doing this list. See if this matches chairman Nunez number. Let's listen this matches a member of the press number somebody along the way just didn't all of a sudden having a piff Unie unless you're getting ready to throw a low level staffer under the bus that these numbers might match so who who did it. WAS IT chairman shift or was it you be careful. You're under oath. I know I'm under oath Sir. Then answer the questioner and I will the answer the question if you give me a second here. It's not a simple thing second. It was not a forty two mile witness by the way I think he was decided to leak it by the way. If you're not gonNA tell me the other way y you're thinking about how you GonNa ask that question who decided to leak it the information. Why did you included in report? That's not a leaks. How did you include in the report after? Not Saying anything else about this not publicly now. So two questions hanging out that everybody's looking for Nance for including me who ordered it was it you chairmanship. And then why was within decided except for nothing but smear purposes to be included in the report. Well I'm not going to get into the deliberations of our investigation with you and I will tell you. The reason reason it was included in the report is because it the calls were surrounding important evidence to our investigation. And I think that your question is frankly not better directed not at me but at the people who were having conversation. Oh no no no. We're not going to believe that. We're not GONNA play that game as Mr Berg. You're not gonNA play that game. You're not asking the question and every remember the media everybody here when you start going into the decorum of this house when you start looking at members telephone numbers you start looking at reporters telephone numbers which they ought to be scared about. You took over subpoena for four and then you decided to play match game. You've found numbers that you thought were like. Some of them actually didn't exist because they claim that the White House budget office and they were not so. We're throwing stories out there because nobody was nobody was out there. Actually so I'll go back to my question. Are you going record in front of everybody here today and say that you will not tell who ordered this. You are mister gold. Mr Goldman you or Mr Smith. I am going to go on record and tell you that. I'm not going to reveal how we conducted this investigation. miscast I have some information on the subpoenaed. We know. Let's go up. We did receive copies of the subpoenas. And we we track this. There were six as I understand sanded and let me just say at the outset. Our members have concerns about this exercise for three reasons. You're the subpoenas yielded information about members of Congress whether subpoenaed members from records are not. It's a concern earn when the information yields member of Congress own records and then the information is publicized second is with journalists is just generally a very tricky area to start investigating journalists call records and the third is is with regard to. Mr Giuliani was serving as the president's personal attorney. But they're six subpoenas as we understand. Stand it I went. At and T.. For Giuliani numbers. The second was in regard to Ebore Fruman to a company. CSC CSC Holdings. The third related to Mr Sandra and that was off to verizon the fourth was. At and T. seeking information on a certain number the fifth was back to at and T.. And the the sixth was seeking subscriber information which impacted the veteran journalist. John Solomon Tom and also involved with these are some some of the attorneys involved could ask you a question. Ton Sing in Geneva Jill degen ladies witness Thank you Mrs Caroline Day. Yes certainly I have. I have a number of things I think i. I need to clear up if I may. Yes certainly have to bear with me because I have a number of them here. First of all on the CAU- aw. Tim Morrison General Kellogg. I have a totally different view of the call. Then Lieutenant Colonel Women and Jennifer Williams going the point that the call is ambiguous. So that's the first thing Tim Morrison testified that he he went to the National Security Council lawyers for very different reasons. He did not say he went to the NFC lawyers because he was concerned about the call. He went to the National Security Council lawyers for for two reasons number one. They weren't on the call so we wanted to update them about it but number two. He was concerned about leaks weeks and he was concerned that if this call leaked out how would play in Washington's polarized environment which is exactly what we have here. He was also concerned that if the call leaked that it might affect act by partisan supporting congress. Issues of Ukraine have traditionally been one of the few issues where Republicans and Democrats. Let's share interests. And the third reason was that he didn't he didn't want the Ukrainians to get distorted perception of what actually happened on the call because on the call we're talking about eight lines of concern and a lot of ambiguity this Oval Office meeting on May Twenty third. There's this question I guess it Sam ambiguous. I didn't think it was a question about whether when the president referred the delegation goes to the inauguration may twentieth they come back at Sunland it's Volcker her and it's secretary Perry and Senator Johnson briefing the president and the president is having he says Ukraine is concerned or corrupt. And he he doesn't want to invite Zilenski to the White House and the president in Volker testifies to this pretty definitively the president essentially. He doesn't order anybody to do anything. The President says talk dirty the Volcker testified both at his deposition and at the public hearing that he didn't take direction. It's just like look if you guys. If you I think this is important and you WanNa work it just go talk to rudy very different than a than a direction. It's very different than the president ordering a scheme and it's very very different from the president sort of collecting up a bunch of agents. Go do something because he simply league. According to Ambassador Volker go talk to rudy now whether the Ukrainians new of the aid pause or the was paused for fifty five days whether the Ukrainians knew about it or not has been Laura Laura Cooper from dod and some State Department. Witnesses testified about light queries that they had received. There was an article article on November twenty second in Bloomberg and Linski Administration so they never knew about hold in the eight until August list twenty-eighth political article and they said in the article on your Mac is the principal person. They're relying on your says that they believe the embassy see was keeping information from the other interesting thing. Mr Garmak says in that November Twenty Second Bloomberg article is that sign. He he recounts the whole aside meeting with sunland which has become very significant. Apparently the pull aside meeting. He says he doesn't recall it. The way ambassadors on them recalled it. Now keep in mind ambassador. Mr Yard speaks English but but it's not as first language and so he. He does not recall the policy meeting which by the way happened on the way to escalator after the meeting with the vice president so he recalls it very differently so the question. The facts of what happened between ambassador. Sunland Mr Jahr Mac. On the way to the escalator remain gene in dispute now turning attention to the Ron Johnson. Letter if I may on August thirty first Senator Johnson's getting ready to travel to Ukraine on September fifth with Senator With Murphy and he wanted to Johnson one of the release release so he calls the president. He actually sought permission to be the bearer of good news right. President said I'm not ready to lift the aid. And they had this Senator Johnson. I mean he writes a ten page letter very detailed and he gives some some remarkable detail. And I'd like to read it. It's on page six. I this is Senator Johnson speaking. He said I asked asked him whether there was some kind of arrangement where Ukraine would take some action and the whole we'd be lifted without hesitation. Senator Johnson says President President Trump immediately denied such an enrichment existed and he started cursing and he said no way. President Trump said no way. I would never do that. Who told you that and Senator Johnson goes on to say that that President Trump's reaction here was adamant vehement an angry senator? Johnson goes on to say that as of August thirty first the president told on Bud. AH YOU'RE GONNA like my decision Indian so I think that's very important context on what the president's state of mind was at least as of August thirty first I fully expected. Do you agree that the aid would eventually be released after the fifty five day pause right absolutely yes. Yes and I'd like to talk about some of people in this story that have firsthand knowledge of the facts. We have ambassador Volker Ambassador Sunland and Secretary Perry. You had the the opportunity to talk to. Two of those three people is that correct. Yes and the Democrats report. I would like us to believe that. These three individuals were engaged in some sort of cobol or some sort of nefarious venture. But that's not true. Is it in fact. These three people were at all relevant times and even today acting in the best interest of the American people is that true and with the highest integrity. That's right I think. Everyone testified that ambbassador Volker is one of the most experienced diplomats in our foreign service across the board all the witnesses including embassador Basseterre. Uganova she talked about integrity. That Ambassador Volker brings to the table. But there's a lot of people with firsthand knowledge that we didn't talk to. Is that correct correct. Now I WANNA talk about the president's skepticism of foreign aid. The president is very skeptical foreign aid. Is that correct. He he is deeply skeptical of sending. US Tax payer dollars into an environment that is corrupt. Because it's as good as kissing goodbye the by and is that something new that he believes or is that something. He ran on something that he has ran on something that he is implemented policies as soon as he became the president and Basseterre Hail third-ranking State Department official told us about the over overall review of all foreign aid programs and he described it as almost zero-based evaluation right and you had the opportunity to take the deposition of mark. Sandy who is career official. Show at Olympia. Is that right grits. And he had some information about the reason for the pause. Is that true. I think that he he had a conversation with an individual name. Rob Layer and Mr Blair provided some insight into the reason for the sandy was one of the few witnesses that we had was able to give us firsthand account inside of the reason for the for the a pause related to the president's concern about European burden burden-sharing in the region and he and in fact in in his conversations the president's conversations with Senator Johnson he mentions his concern about burden-sharing hiring and I believe he referenced a conversation that he had with the Chancellor of Germany And in fact the whole first part of July twenty four transcript. He's talking about burden-sharing and wanting the Europeans wants to do more But yeah I mean Senator Johnson was and president trump. Were Air Pretty candidate in in you know. They believe that allies like Germany were. Were laughing at us because we were so willing to spend the aid right now. I'd like you know there's been a lot of Allegations sounds that presidents. Alinsky is not being candid about feeling pressure from president trump. And isn't it true that he's stated over and over publicly that he felt no pressure from president trump. Is that true. Yeah he's he said it consistently said at the the United Nations September twenty fifth. He said it into three more news availabilities over the course of the period including last week I want to change subjects subjects and talk about something. That professor Turley raised last week. And that is The partisan nature of this investigation And urine experience congressional investigator professional. He's he's no trump supporter. That's right he is a democrat. That's right and but professor truly cautioned cautioned that a partisan inquiry is not what the founders envisioned is that correct correct and worse than you can can have with. An impeachment is partisan rancor because nobody's going to accept the result on the other side and our Democrat friends have all the sudden become originalist and are citing the founders and their intent routinely as part of this guy impeachment process. I think that goes to the this. This is whether this constitutes burke bribery. There's there's there's case law bribery and I'm no. I'm the Supreme Court scholar lawyer advocate. But there's new case with McDonnell case about what constitutes an official act and that certainly hasn't been addressed in this space and I think Professor Turley mentioned them and I think Professor Turley said that a meeting certainly certainly does not constitute an official act. I think it's the McDonnell case. Right goes to the professor Turley. Pointed that out for us last week. Yes Since this inquiries unofficial and unsanctioned start in September the process has been then partisan biased unfair republicans questioning has been curtailed routinely. I think we saw that in lieutenant colonel vitamins deposition. There were some you know we were barred from asking asking him questions about who he communicated his concerns to very basic things like who what win wear aw and instead and I would say to this rapid. We're in days seventy six and it's almost impossible to sophisticated sophisticated congressional investigation that quickly especially when the stakes of this high because any congressional investigation of any consequence it it it does take a little bit of time for the two sides to stakeout their their interests. And how they're going to respond onto them. Good lockout probe into the first letter. I think went in October of twenty seventeen eighteen and in December we finally got a witness and it was the following spring with Saudi probe. After a lot of pushing and pulling and a lot of tug of war we reached a deal with doj where we went we went down to the OJ and they gave us access to documents and they gave with access to. I think north of eight hundred thousand pages but they made us come down there. They made us go into a skiff breath and these documents weren't classified and it wasn't until May and June of that year that we started this process when the investigation had been ongoing and and that is disappointing. Obviously we all wish there was an easy button but congressional investigations of consequence. Take time right and it took. I think six months before the first document was even produced. And like you said you had to go down there and review view it and camera and then going back. Even further to fast and furious The investigation of the death of a border patrol agent fast and furious. We issued subpoenas. Mis- Mister Iso- I send some subpoenas I think in February of Twenty Some twenty eleven and we we had a hearing in June with experts about proceedings of contempt. So you know what does it take to go to content and that was the first time in June when we got any production and the production was largely publicly available information and we went. We spent with most of the year trying to get information. The Justice Department at the time we were also working with whistleblowers who were providing US documents and and chairman ice at the time then in October issued another subpoena that was to the justice this department and so the the investigation had been ongoing most of the year. We were talking to whistle blowers were doing interviews. And we're doing our best to get documents out of the Justice Department through that channel but these things take time right and maybe not seventy six days. Yes if you truly want to uncover every every fact as you shouldn't an impeachment. Do you agree. You have to go to court sometimes enforce your subpoenas and here my understanding is we have a lot of requests for information voluntary information. Will you please provide us with documents on XYZ. And I think I think think that's great but you have to back it up with something. Isn't that cracked a number of ways to enforce requests. I mean the the fundamental rule of any congressional investigation it. Is You really get what you're asking for. Unless until the alternative is less palatable for the respondent so so you issue a subpoena and you're trying to get documents one technique you can use. Try to talk to the document custodian or somebody in the legislators function about what documents exist. Chairman Schaefer fits during his era had used to have these document production status hearings where you bring bringing in legislators officials and try to get the lay of the land because he had alleged affairs officials. At least nominally are supposed to be directly responsible. Little serving the interests you can saber rattle rattle about holding somebody in contempt. oftentimes witnesses who are reluctant to cooperate and come forward when you when you attach a contemporary eating or prospective respective contempt proceeding to their name a lot of times that changes the outcome and with a contemporary heating. You've got a couple of different steps along. Along the way you could raise the prospect of contemporary eating. You could schedule contempt proceeding after you schedule. A contemporary eating. You could hold the door open for documents or interviews and then you could push it off. You could go through at the committee level and these are all sort of milestone events which historically starkly are unpalatable or less palatable for the administration that sometimes starts to move the needle and with these types of disputes. Once you get the ball rolling with the Good Luck Gaddi pro. We didn't get a witness and it was deputy director Andrew McCabe in for a couple of months but once we we got WTI director McCabe in a couple of weeks later we got director Komo's Chief-of-staff a couple of weeks later. I mean the witnesses start once she she get the ball rolling again. You don't always like one hundred percent of the terms. Sometimes you gotta deal with Agency Council. Sometimes you gotta go look in cow in camera but once you get the ball rolling usually it leads to positive results in historically has allowed the congress to do its work work and were any of those things done here in fact they decided we're not going to. We're not going to subpoena a certain people that are important. Is that fair to say. And we're not going to go to court and enforce them so these people have you know these folks that are caught in an interbranch struggle uh-huh and that's that's an unfortunate position for any employee of one of the concerning things. Dr Kupperman who has been described by Dr Fiona Hill and a number of witnesses is a solid citizen. A good witness he filed a lawsuit in in the face of a subpoena and a judge was assigned to a judge. Leon and the issues the government raise were slightly different than the Don mcgann issues. Because you don mcgann is the personal or the White House. Counsel Kupperman of course is a national security official Kupperman filed the lawsuit seeking guidance covering wasn't asking the court to tell him not to come testify. The contrary Kupperman was seeking the court's Guidance Titans to facilitate his cooperation and ultimately This committee with withdrew the subpoena. Yes which raises questions about whether the committee's really interested in getting to the bottom of some of these issues right instead. The committee is chosen. The Intelligence Committee has chosen to rely on ambassador Sunland and his testimony. I think they rely by six hundred times in. There will tell you what I did. I on this point I yesterday yesterday. I opened the Democrat report and I did a control F. Control that yes and silence named shows up. Yup I think six hundred and eleven times in fairness it's going to be double counted because it's a sentence and then it's in a footnote. It's too but in relative comparison to the other witnesses relied on big time and I think Dr Hill testified that she at some point confronted him about his actions and the the record is mixed on this front. Dr Hill talks about raising raising concerns with Solomon and Solomon and his deposition. At least doesn't he didn't share the same view. And there's a lot of instances of that where you're embassador sunland recalls one thing and other witnesses were call another is that correct sunland is a witness is A. He's a bit of a `Nigma let's just say it that way he was in his deposition that the security assistance wasn't linked to anything and then he submitted a he submitted addendum. I call that the Pretzel Sentence it's and even in that addendum supplement. Whatever it's called? You know it's talked to him and her and anyway ends with I presumed so it wasn't awesome. Really any first-hand information. We don't have a lot of first hand information here. Is that correct on certain facts. We don't I mean we have firsthand information on the May twenty third meeting sitting in the Oval Office. We've got a lot of first hand information. Although all conflicting on July tenth meeting there are episodes. I think during the course of this investigation that we have been able to at least get everyone's account but the investigation education hasn't hasn't been able to reveal you know firsthand evidence relating to the president other than to transfer and I think we've already talked about this. That ambassador sunlen would presume things assume things six and form opinions based on what other people told him and then he would use those as firsthand. Is that cracked you know. It started with his role with the Ukraine portfolio. A lot of people at the State Department were wondering saying why the ambassador to the EU was so engaged in issues relating to the Ukrainian. You know there. There are answers for that. Ukraine is aspirant to join the E U And there's a lot of other reasons Mister Turner I think explored explored this really well at the at the hearing but we asked him Asir Silent. He said that he did a TV interview and Keiv on on the twenty sixth next July where he said the president given me a lot of assignments and he's the president signed me Ukraine and so forth but then when we asked him in his deposition he conceded that he was in fact spinning that the president never assigned him to Ukraine that he was just. He was exaggerating and I think at the public hearings. You pointed out that in contrast to other witnesses ambassador Sunland isn't a note taker. He in fact he said I do not recall dozens of times in his deposition. Let's say this way ambassador Taylor walked us through. His is standard operating reading procedure for taking notes. He told us about having a notebook on his desk and a notebook in his coat pocket of suit and he brought it with us and showed us so. Consequently when Ambassador Ambassador Taylor recounts to us. You know what happened. It's backed up by these contemporaneous notes. Ambassador Sunland on the other hand was very clear that one firsthand. He said that he did not have access to a State Department records while he said that at the public occurring simultaneously the State Department issued a tweet. I think or a statement. At least saying that wasn't true. Nobody is keeping ambassador silence from his emails State Department employees. You can go He does have access to his records but he stated he didn't and he stated that he doesn't have any notes because he doesn't take notes and you can see that he doesn't have recollections of on a lot of these issues and we sort of made a list of them and I think at the hearing I called it the the Trifecta of reliability. And you're not the only person that has concerns about Amazon Lind's testimony conduct I think other witnesses took the issue with his conduct. Is that correct. Yeah to Morrison talked about instances where Ambassador Sunlen sort of showing up uninvited. Marson didn't understand why sound them was trying to get into the Warsaw meeting. September first and Dr Hill Fiona Fiona Hill to tell us about issues of that sort and a number of witnesses. You're correct and ambassador. Reeker an ambassador Sunland to correct believe investor massacre said he was yeah in. Dr Hill raised concerns about his behavior and said that he mighty A- intelligence risk. Is that correct. She she did she she. She had issues with his tendency to is mobile device in telephone calls in which obviously can be monitored by the bad guys and we talked about how he was spinning that you know certain certain things and he admitted that how he was spinning humidity exaggerated yes and also when it comes to communications communications with the president. We tried to get him to list all the communications. The President I think he gave us six and then when he was back at you no he walked us through each communication with the president by the way it was about Christmas party was about when the president of Finland was here and then congresswoman Speier. I asked him the same question the open hearing and he's he said that he had talked to the President Twenty Times so the record is mixed I think my time's thank you both now. We Will Gaijin questions under the five minute rule I yield myself. Five minutes for the purpose of questioning. Witnesses Mr Goldman. Can you please explain the difference between Vice. President Biden's request the Ukraine a few years ago and president trump's request to Ukraine earlier this year. Yes yes when Vice. President Biden pressured the Ukrainian President to remove the corrupt prosecutor general. He was doing so with an international consensus Part of US policy the entire European Union supported that the IMF supported the IMF which also gave the loans that that he was referring to and so so he did that is part of the entire international community's consensus and when president trump is asking for this investigation of Joe Biden all of the witnesses every single one testified that that had nothing to do with official. US policy and president and vice president. Biden's request had no personal political benefit whereas president trump's requested. Yes in fact. If the witnesses testified that if that corrupt prosecutor general were actually removed it would be because he was not prosecuting corruption. So the witnesses said that by removing that prosecutor general and adding a new one that there was an increased chance that corruption in Ukraine would be prosecuted including as it related to the Barista company which is son was on the board of thank. You go can you please explain exactly what happened. Happened with the phone. Records obtained by the Intelligence Committee. Yeah thank you. I'd I'd I would like to set the record straight on that. This is a very basic and usual investigative practice Where people involved in a scheme or suspected to be involved in a scheme investigators routinely seek their records and just to be very clear? This is metadata it is only call to call from in length it is not the content of the calls or the text messages so there's no content content there's no risk of invading any communications with lawyers journalists attorney client that none of that exists in there are no risks to that and so what we did is for the people that several of the people that we had investigated and subpoenaed and who was alleged to be part of the scheme. We got call records so that we could corroborate some of their testimony or figure out. Maybe there's additional communications that we were unaware of what we then did is. We took the call records and we match it up with important events that occurred during the scheme and we'd start to see if there are patterns because call records can be quite powerful circumstantial evidence in this case. It just so happened that people who were involved in the president trump scheme were communicating with the president's lawyer who was also involved in the scheme a journalist staff staff member of Congress and another member of Congress we of course did not at all seek in any way shape or form to do any investigation on anyone a a member of Congress or a staff member of Congress. It just happened to be that they were in communication with people involved in the President Scheme. And everything you did was basically standard operating procedure ager for well run investigation every investigation in ten years that I did probably we got called records. Thank you Mr Goldman. Did White House counsel make his view clear about witnesses and evidence requested by the investigating committees. And what was that view. We never heard from the White House counsel they we other than the letter which basically elite just said we will not all cooperate with this investigation in any way shape or form. They never reached out to engage in this accommodation process. It was a complete fleet stonewall. Not only will the White House not participate in not cooperate and not respond to the duly authorized subpoenas of Congress but we are the White House says we are also going to direct every other executive branch agency to now have a series of questions and please keep his grief. If you can during last week's hearing my Republican Republican colleagues said that Congress has not built a sufficient record to impeach the president as foreign prosecutor. You've spent years building substantial case records. What does the strength of the record here? I think we have moved fast. And I think that the evidence is really overwhelming We have seventeen witnesses with overlapping and Kazumi statements and the Committee Committee managed to collect such a compelling record in the face of unprecedented obstruction by the president correct yes and was obstruction. So pervasive the evidence pointed into a course of conduct or plan to cover up any presidential misconduct. We did find that. There was an effort to conceal the president's conduct. Yes and I understand that Tober over eight. The White House wrote a letter explaining the president. Trump had directed his administration not to cooperate with the White House is impeachment inquiry led to the White House counsel road quote. President trump cannot and not permit his administration to participate in this partisan inquiry under the circumstances now the investigative committees tried to interview dozens of witnesses and including current and former trump initiation officials and was stymied with respect to most of them. Is that correct There were twelve witnesses who directed not to appear and ultimately they did not appear generally from California's recognized. Thank you MR chairman. The Gist of the question here is the potential of abuse of the president's. It's power to benefit himself in the next election now. America is based on free and fair elections and after Russia interfered in the two thousand sixteen election and the American people are rightfully concerned about ensuring that the next election of free of foreign interference. And keeping that in mind I'd like to ask you Mr Goldman the following question and bastard. Sawn Lind testified that according to Rudy Giuliani quote president trump wanted a public statement from President Celeski committing to investigations of Brisebois and the two thousand sixteen election. Isn't that correct just and a bastard. Sawn testified testified as the screen in front of you shows that presence alinsky quote had to announce the investigations. It didn't actually have to do them. Correct Art Mr Goldman. Urine experienced former prosecutor is it common to announce an investigation but not actually conduct doc. The investigation no usually works the reverse. Normally you don't announce the investigation because you want to develop as much evidence while it's not auto while it's not a public because if it's public then you run into problems so people matching a testimony and witnesses tailoring their their testimony which is part of the the reason why the clothes depositions in our investigation. We're so important so what did that. Evidence is evidence about the announcement. Tell you about why. President trump would only care about presents alinsky announcing the investigations but not actually conducting them. There were two things that said one is whatever he claims. The president claims about his desire to root out corruption. Even if you assume that these investigations are for that purpose as he he has stated it undermines that because he doesn't actually care if the investigations are done so even if you assume which. I don't think the evidence supports that it's corruption and then he's still not doing the corruption investigations and the second is just wanted the public announcement. The private confirmation was not enough and that's an indication that he wanted the political olitical benefit from them. It looks to me that the announcement of the investigation could benefit the president politically because the announcement alone one could be twitter fodder between now and the next election to smear a political rival that's consistent with the findings you know President Nixon. Nixon attempted to corrupt elections and his agents broke into Democratic Party headquarters to get a leg up on the election and then he tried to cover it up just as we've seen some obstruction here but even more concerning in this case president trump not only appears to have abused the the power of his office to help his own reelection campaign used a foreign government to do his bidding and he used military aid as leverage to get the job done now. This aid was approved by Congress. It was appropriated on a bipartisan basis for Ukraine to fight Russia who'd invaded them and while aid this aid was withheld. People died while this aid was being withheld and some have argued since alternate. The aid was released that there was not a problem but Mr Goldman. Isn't it true that the aid was released. Only out the the president it got caught and only after Congress learned of the scheme to make this life or death aid conditional on this announcement of investigation instigation of his political rival. There were several things that made The president realized that this was coming to ahead and could not be concealed The whistleblower complaint was circulating around the White House. The congressional committees announce their own investigation. And then the perhaps the Washington Post op EH. On September fifth linking the two and then the inspector general notified the committee that there was this whistleblower complaint that was being withheld by the trump administration. Jack's Weezer so Mr Doman. Let's get to the facts again. During the phone conversation on July twenty fifth with presence Alinsky President Trump was narrowly early focusing on his own political survival using his public office for private and political gain. The truth matters. Then we heard Council Council for the Republicans say the presence concerned about foreign aid because you could kiss it goodbye. Assuming that's referring to anti corruption Russia but let's look at the facts of the July twenty fifth call. I happened to read it. Just recently was sharply illustrates that President's willingness to abused power of his office for his own personal benefit. The memorandum of that call is on the screen in front of you and it shows that president then trump says and by the way right after President Zilenski spoke about defense support and the chaplains. I would like you to do us a favor though. So this is the president's own behavior and words Mr Goldman. What was that favor? The favor was to investigate a debunked conspiracy theory related to Ukraine interference in the two thousand sixteen election the government the investigative. Committee's received evidence from multiple witnesses. Who testified the president trump was provided Pacific talking points in preparation in for July? Twenty fifth call geared toward protecting the American people's national security. Is that correct. The talking points certainly were part of the official the US policy and they included anticorruption efforts and national security efforts and those talking points were provided to help the president effectively communicate official US policy interest during calls at foreign leaders. Is that right. That is correct. It's a routine process that the National Security Council does but the president generally is able to use was them or not use them. Witnesses said the president's not required to use them. What was so startling here is that he not only veered off from them but that he went to his own personal channel interests and it is fair to say such talking points signal the purpose of a given call correct yes Witnesses testified that the talking points for the July twenty fifth call include recommendations to encourage presidents Alinsky to continue to promote anti corruption reforms in Ukraine which has a focus of American foreign foreign policy in Eastern Europe. Is that correct. Yes so to be clear. The talking points created for the president or other principals to discuss specific matters that really protect the American people. Is that accurate. Yes generally but witnesses. Such as Tim Morrison the Deputy Assistant to the president and Director for Europe. Testified about what was not not in those talking points now. Mr Morrison were these references to crowd strike the server in two thousand sixteen election And into Vice President Biden and his son were included in the president's talking points. There were not. Are you aware of any witnesses. Who testified that investigating the bindings was an objective of official? US policy. No it was not before and it was not after this call in anything ever file. I don't know those investigations that might have occurred. I'm sorry can you repeat the thing ever found of those investigations that may have occurred with respect to the former vice-president every single witness said there's no the factual basis for either of the investigations. So Mr Trump did not use official talking points correct and there were witnesses who confirmed that. That's right when you hear those words. Do you hear the president requesting thoughtful and well calibrated anti-corruption program consistent with US policy so we were hoping we recommended the president very clearly support. What presidents Alinsky had run on his own election and what is serving? The People party had run on its election where it received a majority mandate. That didn't come up in the call. Did it no sir. Her Goldman did the evidence. Prove that Mr Trump utilize his position of public trust in order to accomplish these goals his goals in order to hurt his domestic political liberal opponent. Yes that's what. The evidence showed the gentleman from Ohio. Thank you MR chairman. This is the second hearing on impeachment that this committee has held in the last last week. I would submit that. You're investigating the wrong guy. Let's look at the fax. Mr Caster Ukraine. That's been at the center attention to this impeachment. Hearing his historically been one of the world's most corrupt nations correct that's correct and under legislation relation that Congress passed the national defense authorization. ACT IT was president. Trump's responsibility his duty to see that. US Tax dollars did not go to Ukraine unless they were making progress in reducing corruption. Is that also right. Yes that's right. And isn't it true that Joe Biden's son Hunter had had placed himself right smack DAB in the middle of that corruption. Yes he did. Burris was one of the most corrupt companies in Ukraine and contrary to what House Democrats Kratz in many in the media would. Have you believe that concerns about hunter. Biden's involvement and Ukrainian corruption They're not some sort of vast right wing conspiracy concocted cocktail by supporters of the president. Are they in fact. The concerns about hundred Biden's or I raised by the Obama Administration. Is that right. That's right and also Washington Post a lot of publications and the State Department and the Obama Administration's Concerns About Abida Didn't there did they the former ambassador to Ukraine Marie Ivanovich said she was coached by the Obama Administration on how to answer Pesky questions Russians related to one hundred Biden and Brima that might arise during her Senate confirmation process right. The State Department was so concerned about this. They gave her a mock few in a on this question and nearly every single witness who testified at the intelligence committee of inquiry agreed that Hunter Biden's MMA deal created at the very least the appearance of conflict of interest. Is that correct. That's correct and you know deputy assistant secretary. George testified that there was an investigation and debris into their heads. Oh Jeff Ski and they were trying to track down twenty twenty three million that he had taken out of the country and they were working with the United Kingdom they were working the United States. The United Kingdom you Ukraine was working on track in this money down mm-hmm and there was an investigation and active investigation. Going on in a bribe was paid and that bribe was paid eight. Allowed to get off scot-free right around that time is wind Barisno when about Sprucing up their board shall shall we say thank you Sir Mr Goldman. I like to bring us back to the next president. Not President not the next president and stay focused on the July twenty five. Call the president's abuse of office for his benefit no-one else now as my colleague. Ms Jackson Lee confirmed the President's request for these investigations was not an objective of US foreign policy. Correct that's right. Is there any Evans. The National Security Council want an investigation into the Biden's Barista or any alleged Ukrainian interference in two thousand sixteen. No any evidence about the State Department wanting them know how about the Dod Dod want those investigations. No evidence of that did any witnesses tell you that they wanted Ukraine to investigate the Biden's of the two thousand sixteen election and we certainly know now that the Ukrainians did not wanted ended either. In fact they made it very clear that not want to be an instrument. The SA- quote an instrument in Washington domestic reelection politics. So the only person who was benificiary breath from that investigation is president trump. And that's why everyone on the joy at twenty-five call news wrong. They knew it was wrong. The investigative gave committee heard testimony from three witnesses. Who Participated in that call? Is that correct. Yes listen to that call right Mr Goldman even a real time the witnesses who listened and that call testified they were concerned by the call. Is that correct. Yes and in fact. Both lieutenant colonel. Vin Men and Mr Morrison immediately reported the call to legal. Oh Council is that right. That's right and why did they do so they did it for separate reasons. Lieutenant Colonel Vinson was concerned about about the substance of the call that it was improper. Mr Morrison was concerned about the potential political ramifications if the call was released because of the substance of the call and the political nature of the call and they reported the call that they actually reported that to the internal legal channels. Mr Goldman played lieutenant colonel. Then men's testimony about why reported the call on the screen. Am I correct. His concern was based on the fact that the president incident was asking a foreign power to investigate a US citizen yes and he was not the only witness to express that concern am also correct that he reported this concern because because he thought it was a sense of duty a duty that he felt something was wrong. Yes as you probably know lieutenant. Colonel Vin is a Purple Heart Award winner from Medal winner winner from Iraq and he has been in the Department of Defense for twenty years and has a great sense of duty and a great patriotism to this country and felt compelled compelled to follow that sense of duty and report. It and Miss Williams vice president pence is aid was present for the call and she testified as you brought out our was brought out earlier that was unusual and inappropriate. Is that correct. That's right now when Mr Vice President Biden got involved with the European Union and the IMF am math in Germany and France. and Said you've got to do something about corruption. That was okay because they were doing something for the common good of a bunch of people as distinguished from. What's going on here era where somebody's doing it for their personal good? Is that correct right. There's a distinction between doing an official act for an official purpose and doing an official act for a personal purpose. And and if I could just respond to something Mr Caster said when he said that the there were problems because slow chess ski paid a bride side the head of Barista in order to get out from under the prosecution that was exactly the type of conduct that Vice President Biden wanted to shut down in Ukraine that was exactly the type of anti non anti corruption policies that Vice President Biden was objecting to using the official show policy. So that's one of the reasons that he I don't know if that was one. But that's the type of thing that he based he and the Americans and the Europeans base the issue Mr Johnson. Okay I'd like to ask some questions about the president's role in what am Bassett a Bolton referred to as a drug deal did the testimony moaning evidence compiled by the Intelligence Committee established the fact that with respect to Ukraine Rudy. Giuliani was at all times working on behalf. A HALF president trump. Yes Mr Giuliani said. That president trump said that to a number of other individuals and those individuals. Israel's ambassador Sunland investor Volcker also said that. Thank you and on May ninth twenty and nineteen Rudy Giuliani on behalf of his client. President trump trump spoke with a New York Times reporter about his plan trip to Ukraine. And on that trip he planned to meet with presidents Alinsky. He said Ed and urged an urge him to pursue investigations relating to the Biden's and to the debunked theory that Ukraine in and not. Russia interfered in the twenty sixteen. Collect election isn't that correct. That's right and Mr Giuliani told the reporter that his trip was not about out official. US Foreign Policy and that the inflammation he sought would be very very helpful to his client. Client meaning it would be helpful to president trump. Is that correct. Yes if it's not official foreign policy it would be helpful to president trump's personal interest. That's correct there is no doubt Mr Goldman that investigations of the Biden's and the two thousand sixteen election meddling were in fact not about. US This policy. But we're about benefiting trump's reelection correct yes and even the Ukrainians realized that and on July twenty fifth president and trump place that fateful phone call to presidents Alinsky any asked Presidents Alinsky to imbed investigate. The Biden's correct yes and on that. President trump told the linski quote. I will have Mr Giuliani to give you a call correct. That's right and on and October second and October third president trump once again made explicit that he and Mr Giuliani were intent on making these investigations. Happen correct yes and just you know. We've been investigating on a personal basis through rudy and others. There's lawyers corruption in the twenty sixteen election. Well I would think that if they were honest about it that start. What a major investigation into the very simple add Mr Goldman? The evidence shows a course of conduct by president trump trump and his agents does it does and clearly. It continued long after our investigation began. It shows a common plan correct. That's right yeah. It shows a common goal correct and the goal was to get foreign help for the twenty twenty election. Correct that is. That's what all the witnesses said and Mr Goldman who was the kingpin of that plan. President trump is back Mr Jordan. Thank you MR chairman. This or castor. I want to go to the document that started it. All the August twelfth whistleblower complaint bullet point one on page one of the whistleblowers complaint. He says this over the past four months more than half a dozen. US officials have informed me. The various facts related to this effort. Mr Caster who are these half a dozen US officials. We don't know we don't know do we. We had no chance to know for sure who these people were because we never got to talk to the whistleblower. Is that right Mr Cancer. We needed to talk to the guy who started it all. We needed talk to him to figure out who these more than half a dozen people were who form the basis of his complaint and we never got to Adam Schiff staff got to Adam. Schiff knows who he is. But we don't don't get to know and therefore we don't get to know the original people six people who form the basis at this entire thing. We've been going through now for three months but we did talk to seventeen people right. Mr Caster that's right. Seventeen deposition urine every single one. You were the lawyer doing the work for the Republicans and every single one is that right Sir and there's one witness who. They relied lied on built their report around one witness that witness because I read their report. It's it's obviously one witness that witness Mr Ambassador Sahn John I think you said earlier. His name was mentioned. I Dunno six. What would you say six hundred eleven hundred eleven times more than lieutenant? Colonel Van men the guy who was on the Paul Moored investor. Taylor I witness their star witness the very first hearing in the intelligence committee they relied on site not to whistle blower not the more than half a dozen people who informed the whistle blower they. They relied on ambassador son and why they pick sunlen. Mr Caster probably best a young. Because that's the that's the best they got the guy who had to file an addendum to his testimony. The guy that had had to file the clarification the guy who said two weeks ago sitting in this chair your sitting Mr Castor in his twenty three page opening statement he said at this and less presidents Alinsky announced investigation into prisma and the Biden's there would be no call with president trump. There'd be no meeting with President trump. There'd be no security assistance money going to Ukraine ambassador. Sahlin said Mr Castor was there an announcement by presidents alinsky about investigating the Biden's are prisma no announcement it presents. Let's get a call from president trump. Yes the president's lives you get a meeting with president trump. Yes it presidents Alinsky get the money from the United States. Yes got the call July twenty fifth. They got the money on September eleventh. They got the meeting on September. Twenty fifth is that right. Yes but the guy who said no that was going to happen is the guy they build their case around. Guess Right Mr Solomon me let me go to one other thing. They built their case around. They built their case around a lot of hearsay. Didn't they the best example. The hearsay surprisingly enough is ambassador. sunlit emissions thank you getting back to the facts surrounding the president's it's abuse of power using the White House meeting as leverage for helping his political campaign Mr Goldman President trump offered Ukrainian president Linski a meeting in the White House. But but first he wanted investigations into the binds conspiracy theory about meddling in the two thousand sixteen election. You testify that. The committees found evidence that President cendant trump works to exchange official actions for personal benefit. And I want to talk about that on. May Twenty Third Twenty nine thousand nine hundred. A delegation of officials scholes returned from Zelenskaja's inauguration and they briefed the president in that briefing. President trump directed government officials to work with his personal lawyer Rudy. Giuliani is that correct guests and trump's handpicked Ukraine operator. Gordon Son testified that they faced a choice. Either work with Giuliani or abandoned. The goal of a White House meeting. What choice did they make Goldman? They decided to work with Mr Giuliani right. Right and six days later on May twenty ninth. President trump sent the new Ukrainian president a letter that said America stood with Ukraine and and invited President Alinsky to visit the White House. Isn't that correct. Yes that was the second time that he invited him to the white. So at this point the Ukrainian president expected that meeting meeting but then they learned that they've got to do something more for the president. sunlen testified that there was a prerequisite of investigations stations. Isn't that right. Yes and NFC staffer lieutenant. Colonel Edmund testified that silent told the Ukrainians in July tenth meeting and that investigation of the Biden's was a deliverable necessary to get that meeting. Isn't that right. Yes and if I could just take a second to correct what Mr Castro set about that meeting there really is no inconsistent statements about whether or not ambassador Sunland raise the issue of investigations in connection to the White House. Even Basset Volker in his public testimony was forced to admit that he did hear that and he said it was inappropriate. And and in fact on July nineteenth sunland John Lintel Presidents Alinsky directly that president trump wanted to hear a commitment to the investigations on July twenty fifth call correct. That's right Mr Goldman. I WANNA pick up on the president using the powers of his office in this case in a meeting at the White House to pressure a foreign in country to investigate his political rival. Now that you've had time to step back from the investigation. Is there any doubt that the president did in fact use a White House. visit it to pressure Presidents Alinsky to announce investigations of his political rival benefit his reelection campaign. I will answer that question in a minute but I would like just just to comment to Mr Buck that the majority staff and no one had any contact with ambassador sunland after his deposition but the answer to your question is yes myspace. My colleague. Mr Deutsch mostly focused on the period prior to the July twenty fifth call. I'd like to focus on the period. After following the call did presidents Alinsky. Alinsky come to the White House for meaning. No He's never come to the White House and several witnesses. Multiple witnesses said that. There's a huge distinction between a white White House meeting and a meeting on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly where they did meet on September twenty fifth so has a White House meeting Ben scheduled. No so did. The president and his associates essentially continue to withhold the White House meeting. And if so why did they do that well. The evidence found that and the White House meeting was conditioned on the announcement of these investigations. And so once in mid August when the Ukrainians Mr Year Malcolm Presidents Residents Alinsky decided that they were not going to issue that statement. That Rudy Giuliani wanted to include Barista in the two thousand sixteen elections. There was no White House meeting. It soon became clear to them that the security assistance was also at risk and that took on a renewed importance for them. Well a following the twenty fifth call the July twenty fifth call ambassadors Sunlen. INVOQUER works worked closely with Mr Giuliani and the Ukrainians to help draft a statement that the president could make presidents. Alinsky was never yes and the the report say they were closely and then they're also phone calls is with the White House around the same time that they were working closely. Do you know what that statement was supposed to say according to Mr Giuliani in the US officials while the key difference is that it had to include that Ukraine would do the investigations of Burris Mo- which equalled the Biden investigation and the two thousand sixteen Ukraine crane interference but was there concern about doing the investigations? Or what were they just supposed to make a statement about it. What ambassadors on the very clearly testified that all he ever heard Mr Giuliani or anyone say is that they only needed the public announcement of the investigations? And so did the committee find. Find that without that public statement that there would be no White House meeting. Yes so I was struck by how clear the evidence seems to be on this point tonight liked to play another example was there a quid pro quo as testified previously with regard to requested White House. Call the White House meeting. The answer is yes. Everyone was in the Luke. Mr Goldman did the investigative committees. Find that Mr Giuliani played a role in the White House. visit being conditioned on investigations. The evidence showed that Mr Giuliani not only played a role but that he was essentially the president's agent. He was acting on behalf of the president expressing. The president's wishes desires so so what evidence to the committee find that cooperated the quote. Everyone was in the loop well ambassador Sunland produced for his public testimony. Moni and I think it's very important in light of the testimony from Mr Castro a minute ago with Mr Buck. As to how many times that Mr Sunland did not remember in his deposition because we agree it was egregious but the advantage of doing closed positions is that Mr Sunland could not match up his testimony. Tony so as other witnesses came in then he realized that he had to actually admit more and more stuff is the Richmond. Thank you MR chairman and Mr Goldman I want to start off with fats and that you all uncovered through the course of your investigation. I want to pick up. Where my colleagues Mr Deutsch? uh-huh and Myspace left off. They walked us through how the president used the White House visit to apply pressure on Ukraine to do his personal bidding. I I WANNA talk about how the president did the same thing with almost four hundred million taxpayer dollars to pressure Ukraine to do his personal bidding. So I'd like to start with turning back to the July twenty fifth call. It's a fact that in the president's own words in the transcript submitted by him reveals that after Ukraine ask for military aid trump. Says I would like you to do us a favor. Though right after presidents heath thanks president trump for the military assistance. Then president trump ask for a favor and of course by this point president trump had had already placed the hold on the security assistance. Now my republican colleagues have suggested that the Ukrainians did not even know about the military aid being withheld. How is that true no there? There was significant evidence that even as early as July twenty fifth but at the time of this call that Ukrainian officials suspected that the aid was being withheld and there was a New York Times article. Actually last week that wasn't included in our report but from the former foreign in our deputy foreign minister who said that they that Ukraine the Presidents Alinsky office received a diplomatic cable from the embassy here the week of July twenty fifth saying that the aide had been held correct. And what also show you on. The screen is that it was on July twenty fifth it also the same day of the call that the State Department emailed the Department of Defense noting that the Ukrainian embassy was asking about the withheld. Military Terry A.D. Yes that's what I was referring to. I'd like to. Let's go back. There was also discussion earlier during the minority questioning that that Mr Sandy from Owen said that the reason for the security assistance hold was related to the president's concerns about burden-sharing with Europe. Is that consistent assist with the evidence that you all uncovered. So it's A. It's a good question because Mr Sandy did say that but notably Mr. Sandy said that he only heard that in early September that that reason was never provided to him or anybody else before early September for the first two months of the Holt and of course it was given at that point as the GIG was up so to speak so that was after everything came out to light it was. He wasn't sure of the timing. Yeah but he was ultimately told that the reason for the hold after it was lifted was for that reason. But that's a I think. An after the fact excuse use based on our evidence because no other witnesses wherever told of that reason during the entire time that it was held gentlemen yields back back. Mr Jeffreys let's focus on the aid to Ukraine Mr Goldman Congress allocated on a bipartisan basis. Three hundred and ninety one million dollars in military aid to the Ukraine is that correct yes and signed by President trump into law. The record established the military aid to Ukraine is in the national security interests of the United States absolutely the investigation concluded that president trump compromised. US National Security by withholding vital military assistance and and diplomatic support. Is that true. Yes the president trump and his defenders claim that he withheld military aid out of alleged concern concern with corruption in Ukraine. Let's explore this phony justification. Donald Trump I spoke to the president of Ukraine on April twenty. First call correct. That's right president. Trump never used the word corruption on that April twenty. First call true that that is true and the readout from the White House after the call did say that President Trump talked about corruption at read out was inaccurate in a May twenty third letter. Trump's department of defense concluded that Ukraine met the anti corruption benchmarks required to receive military aid from the United States. True yes and if I could just take a second to talk about that because that's very important and this goes back to what Mr Collins was talking about with Vice President Biden there is absolutely conditionality on aid in routinely all sorts of different ways. But it's done through official policy and these anti-corruption benchmarks that you're referencing. Here was as a condition of Ukraine. Getting the aid but in May the Department of Defense in conjunction with the other inner agencies certified that Ukraine was making the necessary progress on anticorruption efforts to merit aid and yet the aim was not released correct. The aid was subsequently held it. It was supposed supposed to be released. Dod announced the release and then president trump held the aid without explanation Goldman based on the evidence and testimony that you have reviewed. Is there any reason to believe that. The president cared about corruption in Ukraine. No the evidence really supports the fact that president trump views corruption in Ukraine to be synonymous with the two investigations. that he wants what the president did care about was a political political favor from the Ukrainian government and that is why he withheld the military aid. True that he told ambassador embassador son than himself that that is the only thing that he cares about now. Several witnesses testified as to the real motivation connected to the withheld. Military Terry a.d including ambassador. Bill Taylor here is what he said in his testimony to withhold that assistance for no good good reason other than help with the political campaign make no sense it was. It was counterproductive. All of what we had been trying to do it was illogical it could not be explained. It was crazy logical unexplainable crazy crazy Goldman. According to the testimony from to tailor the only explanation for the withheld aid that made sense that the president was seeking help with a political campaign correct. That is the only logical explanation as multiple witnesses said ambassador. Sunland is a trump appointee who gave a million dollars to the president's inauguration testified that he came to believe that the resumption of security aide would not occur until there was a public public statement from Ukraine committing to the investigations correct yes and that was subsequently confirmed in a conversation with President trump himself. The tenant Colonel Vin men and is a decorated Iraq war veteran purple heart recipient and member of the White House National Security Council and he testified that it is improper for the president of the United States to demand a foreign government investigate a US citizen and a political opponent correct that was the pretty much unanimous view of all seventeen witnesses that came in to testify in before the Intelligence Committee. The evidence shows that President President trump withheld military aid from Ukraine as part of a scheme to extract a political favor and solicit foreign interference in the twenty twenty election intro. Yes and that the scheme part is very important because the minority wants to focus on these four very narrow facts that that ignore nor the vast majority of the evidence and so the fact that he used scheme is actually critical to the whole the whole case. Here gentlemen goes back Mr Gates and that brings us to your Mr Goldman. Are you here as a partisan advocate for the Democrat position or you here as a non-partisan investigator of the fact fats. I'm here to present the report that we did on our investigation. which was totally and completely reliant on the actual evidence that we uncovered covered the witness testimony in the documents? Are you a partisan. I'm not a partisan Mr Castro. How long have you worked for the House since two thousand five same question school for the House since earlier this year Mississippi Cellini so I want to return Mr Goldman to the military terry aid? Did the investigating committees receive evidence. About why the United States military aid to Ukraine was necessary. What was it advancing? Because a lot of Americans who are watching I don't know a lot about Ukraine. Don't know about the geopolitical significance. Like why does it matter in the witnesses. Were quite clear about this and and they say it mattered for for multiple reasons. The first is that Russia invaded Ukraine. To take over part of their of their country and that this was the first military incursion Curtian in Europe since World War Two and this is Russia. WHO's an adversary actually trying to encroach on another democracy? So just from a broad democratic viewpoint it was essential not only to Ukraine's national security but to America's national security to make sure that democracy remains worldwide died and prior to the call. July twenty fifth congress had approved the aid correct Congress approved the eight and then the president and the Defense Department had even publicly announced its intention to deliver the aid correct. That's right. The trump administration had already certified that Ukraine had taken substantial steps to combat corruption. Correct correct and that normally leads to the release of the aid. It sort of announced the release of the investigative committees question. Witnesses from the Defense Department the State Department O.. Oh Mb the White House and the National Security Council about the president's decision to withhold aid. Correct correct AM I. Correct that the witnesses that appeared before your committee confirmed there was no credible explanation for holding the military aid and that it was effective against our national security interest to do so everyone agreed it was against our national national security interest to do so the only explanation that any witness provided was Mr Sandy. WHO said that he had heard from? Rob Blair I believe the assistant to Mick Mulvaney that the reason was because of other countries donations contributions to Ukraine but that was only in September and of course there were no okay further commitments for many other gentlemen yields back Mr Swallow Mister Golvin. Would you welcome the problem of having eight thousand documents given to you from the White House. it would be a wonderful problem to have. How many have they given you zero? Mr Castor you said earlier that they got the aid they got the no harm no foul they got the age. But you would agree that although Mr Sandy said that the presidential concern was European contributions nothing change from when that concern concern was expressed to when they actually got the right. You agree on that. Europe didn't kick in a bunch of new money but they did a study. I mean they study okay. But they didn't kickin new money. You agree on that ambassador. Taylor discussed that they got a research talked a lot about the anti-corruption president that we have Donald Trump. The person who had a fraud brought settlement relating to trump university. The person who's just recently with his own charity had a settlement related to fraud. Let's talk about that anti-corruption president of ours take a wild guess Mr Caster. How many times has president trump met with Vladimir Putin or talk to him? I don't know the number eight. It's sixteen okay. How how many times is president trump met at the White House with presidents Alinsky? It's zero and whose president trump meeting with at the White House tomorrow. Do you know on nine. It's Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov now. Mr Goldman withholding aid from Ukraine obviously Hertz Ukraine. It hurts the United States. Does it help any country. The witnesses said that that would help Russia did you you also hear testimony that these acts by the president while being wrong in an abuse of power also harmed. US National Security. Yes did you hear anything about how it would harm our credibility. I would turn you to a conversation ambassador. Volker had on September fourteen of this year with a senior Ukrainian official were ambassador. Volker her impressing upon that official that presidents Alinsky should not investigate his own political opponents. What was thrown back in the face of Ambassador Volker after ambassador? Volker suggested to Mr Earmark again here that they should not investigate the prior president of Ukraine. Mr Chairman sent back. Oh Oh said back to him Oh like we we. You're encouraging us to investigate. Biden's in Clinton's during Watergate the famous phrase phrase from Senator Howard Baker was asked. What did the president know? And when did he know. There's a reason that no one here has repeated needed those questions during these hearings. We know what the president did and we know when he knew it. Mr Goldman who sent Rudy Rudy Giuliani to Ukraine to smear Joe Biden president trump who fired the anti-corruption ambassador and Ukraine Marie Ivanovich President Trump. Who told ambassador sunland Passer Volker to Rupe to work with Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine president trump? Who told Vice President Pence to not go to President Alinsky inauguration president trump who ordered his own chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney to withhold critical military assistance since for Ukraine president trump who refused to meet with Presidents Alinsky in the Oval Office President Trump? Who ignored on on July twenty five his own National Security Council's anti-corruption talking points? President trump who asked presidents Alinsky for a favor president trump who personally asked presidents Alinsky to investigate his political rival. Joe Biden President Trump. Who stood on the White House House lawn and confirmed that he wanted Ukraine to investigate vice president Biden president trump who stood on that same lawn and said that China should also investigate advice? President Biden President trump. As to anything that we do not know in this investigation. Who has blocked us from knowing? President trump the White House so as it relates to president trump. Is he an incidental player or a central player in the scheme. President trump is the central player in the scheme. There's a reason that no one has said what did the president know. And when did he know it from the evidence that you have presented Mr Goldman and the Intelligence Committee's findings we know one thing and one thing is clear as it related to this scheme the president of the United States Donald Donald J trump knew everything and I yield back gentleman years back. Mister Bigs Mr Catcher. What's direct evidence I? I went witnessed personally observes fact and testifies to it and what's hearsay evidence. Wow Statement for the truth of the matter. Asserted is something that you learn in law school right and then the federal rules of evidence adopted by most states. Here's as inadmissible. Unless the testimony falls under defined exceptions that right about twenty-three plus the residual exception and I believe leave your President Whenever witness testing Mr Solomon Right And much and that's a yes. Yes and much of the Democrats reporting impeachment narrative is based on the testimony. Is that a fair characterization of it is yes how many times Mr Solomon Mission in the Intel Committees report search just to control F in the name Sunlen shows up six six hundred and eleven times. Yeah and just to refresh your mind. Sunlen himself till the world that that basically nobody else on the planet told Holton the Donald Trump was trying to tie aid investigations. In fact he also said everything that he'd been testified to simply his presumptions that right that is correct. And so when we consider what a presumption is it's not direct. It's not circumstantial hearsay in fact we typically when we're trying to case we consider it as speculation nations era. That's right dude course allow speculation in. Why not because it's not reliable is inherently unreliable so uh can you name? Any Democrat wins asserted that he or she had direct evidence of those seventeen. That we've been hearing that we heard from. We had some direct evidence on certain things that we had some direct evidence on the May twenty third meeting and Silane gave some direct evidence But a lot of what. We've obtained has been circumstantial. How about with regard guard to a personal knowledge of the quid pro quo allegation? Well we have not gotten to the bottom of that for my direct evidence standpoint. How about tying to investigations brats correct to about political motives in asking for investigations? The facts surrounding are ambiguous. Liu So Mr Goldman in in this case the three hundred ninety one million dollars at issue that wasn't Donald Trump's money that was US tax payer funds is that right yes and certainly the president should not use our taxpayer money for his own personal benefit. Especially eight not to leverage it for his own reelection campaign. Isn't that right. That's correct. And in this case Congress with bipartisan support head appropriate taxpayer funds for this specific purpose of aiding Ukraine and its war against Russia's right. Yes and now only had that money. You've been appropriated. The money had actually been released department. Defense is that right there. Were about to release it. Yes and then suddenly without augmentation that present demanded that those tax funds be withheld from ally who desperately needed took aid. Mr Goldman to the president notified Congress about his decision withhold aid. No he did not so then Palmer. Control Act was designed to prevent the president from secretly taking congressional properly appropriate funds. And doing whatever he wants. It's with them. So is it true that and your intelligence report you found the following in your findings of fact. President trump ordered the suspension of three hundred ninety one billion dollars house and Vitamin military assistance urgently needed by Ukraine and the president did so despite his obligations under the contract. Did you find that yes. Is it true Mr Goldman at harming the cranium military also harms US national security pretty much every witness said last week Professor Carlin prefer that it is an impeachable offense to sacrifice a national interest for his own private ends a slide shows of what she said missed Golden Based on evidence that you found in your report is a fair to conclude that the president's actions both leverage taxpayer funds for his own private gain and sacrifice is a national interests for his own. Private ends that is what we found gentlemen yields back Mr Eskin and I count a dozen career State Department and national security officials officials who served Republican and Democratic presidents alike over decades who came to testify in fact four of president. Trump's own National Security Council Staffers Hill Vin men Morrison McGuire came forward to report trump scheme to NFC lawyers as soon as they learned of it. Didn't they Mr Goldman Morrison investment went to the lawyers as soon as they learned of it. Yes Dr he'll voiced her concerns. NSE's lawyers on July ten and John. July y eleventh long before anyone on this committee knew about it why would she. Why did she go to report what she had learned earned? What motivated her? She was concerned. That ambassador Sunland and Mick Mulvaney were entering into essentially a transaction shen whereby the Ukrainians would open up these investigations for president trump's political interests in return for getting the White House meeting that the president trump had offered and by one deputy assistant secretary. George Kent who served as a career Foreign Service officer for more than twenty seven years under are five different presidents Democrats and Republicans alike and he wrote her updated notes to file on four different occasions to record his grave. contemporaneous temporariness concerns about the president's conduct. Mr Goldman what were the events that led Mr Kent to drop. Drop these notes to his file. There were several several. There was a conversation at the end of June where several American officials had indicated to presidents. Alinsky that he needed to go forward with these investigations there was one on August sixteenth. I recall that he talked about. But you bring up a very important point which is all of the State Department -partment witnesses in particular and frankly almost all of the witnesses other than ambassador. Sunland took unbelievable meticulous notes. I would have dreamed for a witness like that. As a prosecutor her and it makes for a very clear and compelling record and clear and compelling evidence that's based on contemporaneous notes gentlemen goes back. LESKO GO MR caster. The Deputy Assistant to the president of the national security. Mr Morrison listened in on the phone call. He testified that he was not concerned. That anything discussed on the phone call was illegal or improper. Is that correct yeah. He was worried about leaks several Democrat. Witnesses testified that it is fairly common for foreign aid to be paused for various reasons including concerns earns the country is corrupt and taxpayer dollars may be misspent ambassador. Volker testified that this hold on security assistance to your crane was not significant. Is that correct. Yes a number. Witnesses can also said the same thing for former US ambassador. You're to Ukraine. Maria von Bitch testified that in Ukraine and I quote corruption is not just prevalent but frankly is the system. Is that correct yes. All the witnesses confirmed the environment is very corrupt. Mr Caster Ukraine energy company Burris Maa Holdings had a reputation patient in Ukraine as a corrupt company. Is that correct big time. According to New York Times Hunter Biden was part of a broader effort by Burris MMA MA to bring in well-connected Democrats during a period when the company was facing investigations. Is that correct. The New Yorker also had a pretty extensive serve report on that. As well Obama's Deputy Assistant Obama's deputy assistant secretary of state. George can't testified that he raised concerns is directly to vice president. Biden's office about Hunter Biden Services. I'm Barista's board. Is that correct. Yes or no yes. Thank you the gentlewoman from Washington is recognized so Mr Goldman between the time that president trump put a hold on military aid to Ukraine and then release the aid. The president incident never conducted an actual review or corruption assessment on Ukraine. Did He. That is correct. There was no witness testified that there was any review review or any investigation of any sort related to the Ukraine aid. And isn't it also true that the Defense Department actually determined not to conduct review on Ukraine after the president froze the military aid because Ukraine had already met all of the corruption benchmarks in May of two thousand nineteen eighteen. Yes and everyone involved in Ukraine policy believed that they were on the right path and presidents Alinsky in particular and in addition to Ukraine having satisfied despite all the relevant corruption assessments prior to US military aid being withheld. There is significant witness testimony that both the State Department and the Ukrainian Embassy. Let's see actually advised that a White House meeting with presidents alinsky would help further and anti-corruption agenda correct oath anti-corruption agenda and and the aggression fighting aggression from Russia and in fact President Trump's budget actually cut funding for fighting corruption in Ukraine. Now Mr Caster argues that president trump withheld military aid to Ukraine because he was skeptical of foreign assistance in general but in both twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen. Didn't president trump release military aid for Ukraine without any complaints about corruption. That's correct so Mr Goldman. The president was perfectly fine. I'm giving military aid to Ukraine twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen. But somehow not in two thousand nine hundred ninth so what changed. Joe Biden started running for president. President Vice President Biden's started running so this would add. The Muller report came out which did not even though it did not charge. The president at indicated implicated the the president and his campaign in welcoming the assistance from Russia and utilizing it and the sequence of events and all the corroborating evidence makes it crystal clear. The president trump didn't care about corruption at all. In fact as he told US himself on national television he simply cared about his own politically motivated investigations into into his political rival. And you saw the clip where ambassador Sunlen picked up the phone. Call the called president trump. And then Mr Holmes asked him what. The president thought thought about Ukraine and quickly. What was Mr Scotland's answer? Mr Sunland said the president does not give a bleep about Ukraine. He only cares about the big stuff. Meaning the Biden investigation. Mr Giuliani was pushing and by the way just to add that is a direct evidence. Conversation between President Trump and embassador sunland. On that day. There are many that we have not talked about on the minority so we know what president trump was interested in based on his words his actions and witness testimony. The gentlemen from Pennsylvania is recognized for five minutes. Mr Caster. Can you walk us through the inaccuracies in the whistle blowers complain. Well the first thing about the complaint. That troubles us is that it's clearly from an outsider. Who received information secondhand? The information presented in the complaint is clearly distorted. And it's from a person who is it seems to be making and a case like an advocate about what happened on the call references number of individuals inside the White House and at the State Department that he or she has spoken to to form the basis of the complaint. We have not happen able to piece together all those people and talking to all those people is important. And there's a lot of run out of time here. But there's you know there's a reference Lukashenko in the complaint where witnesses have told us. It's likely Shokhin Vitamin and Morrison's testimony about why they went to talk to the lawyers very different reasons. Mister Brek Buell. The gentleman's time is six opening if he was on the call. I recognize the gentlewoman from Florida for five minutes. Mr Goldman beginning on and around the twenty fifth of July call through September. Would you agree that consistent with the testimony we we just reviewed Ukraine was made aware that to receive our military aid and the White House visit that they were going to have to make a statement announcing the investigations. Gatien's not only were. They made aware but they were made aware either by president. Trump's proxy Rudy Giuliani or from President trump himself through embassador sunlen who spoke to Presidents Alinsky and Andre Earmark on September seventh and told them what president trump had confirmed to him that the aid was was conditioned on the investigation and by the end of August presidents landscape did in fact commit to making that statement on. CNN is that correct. That's right finally. The president's alinsky relented after months trying to not get involved in what he called the domestic. US political process and ultimately recognizing that he had no choice to break the stalemate as ambassador Sunland told them that he ultimately agreed to go on television before the uh-huh before president trump got caught and released the aid. So am I correct. Mr Goldman that by September twenty fifth allegations that president trump was using military aid to pressure pressure Ukraine to announce investigation was being widely reported. I'm sorry by what date September fifth. Yes well widely widely reported. There's certainly the aid. Being withheld was was widely reported and but September nine are investigative committees formally announced a Congressional investigation into the President President of these issues to the president about these issues and Mr Goldman. What Day did President Trump released the military aid two days after the investigations were announced and two days after the G? The Inspector General told the Intelligence Committee that there was a complaint that was being withheld. So then my correct that as the time line on the screen in front of US shows it wasn't until after the whistleblower complaint after the Washington Post report at after Congress launched the investigations that President trump finally released the aid. That's right and I would just add one thing. Briefly to the Congressman's point that it is true that president trump has given more military assistance than President Obama. And so one would wonder or if he does support military assistant so much. Why then is he holding it up for more than two months? Chair recognizes the gentleman from Texas. Yes Mr Kara. I'm sorry California. Thank you Madam Chair. Mr Goldman my colleagues talking about the fact that the president apparently said and I quote no quid pro quo on September seventh in a call with embassador sunland. Mr Sure Goldman. Did you receive testimony about this September. Seven call yes. We receive testimony from three witnesses about it and it gets a little little complicated but that that that was a consistent. Refrain through all of the witnesses. Is that the president. Did say no quid pro. Let's try to clarify it. A little bit ambassador Sunland described that call to Mr Morrison that same day correct. That's right and Mr Morrison then reported it to ambassador Taylor correct. That's correct. Yes and both Mr Moore sent an ambassador. Taylor took notes of those discussions. They did where those notes outs produced to the committee. They were not produced to us but the witnesses said that they relied on their notes to provide their testimony that set of notes oates was blocked consistent with the presence direction. Correct and in his re citation to Mr Morrison Ambassador Sunland said that President trump trump himself brought up the words quid pro quo. That's right embassador. Sunland also said that too. Yes and Mr Goldman. What did the committee make of this? This fact well. It was quite odd that the president would volunteer in response to nothing about a quid pro. Quo that there was no quid. Pro Quo go ahead. I was just GonNa say what's what's even more important. Is that what he said. Immediately after that which is effectively conduct that amounts to a pretty create quid pro quo. He said there's no quid pro quo but you have to go to the microphone and make this announced. Let's talk about that. What did the committee make of the fact that according to embassador Taylor and Mr Morrison right after President Trump said no quid pro quo? President trump then told them Bassett or Sunland that Ukrainian presence Solanki would have to go to the microphone and announced the investigations of Vine and the two thousand sixteen election interference and that presidents and Lipsky. You should want to do that himself. That's right we had a number of different accounts of this and I think this is up on the boards. Here right I see that. Yes he ambassador. Taylor said that ambassador Mr Morrison said something similar. Their understandings of that conversation is that there was a clear directive that there was a quid pro quo fractionally from the conduct from that actions. And we've talked a lot today about the words and that pressure and trump said no pressure no quid pro quo. Oh but as an investigator is a prosecutor you need to look at the actions to understand what those words mean. And that's why this call in particular is so important so let's go further as we've discussed. Multiple individuals reacted with concern to president. Trump's call with embassador sunlen. Do you recall Mr Morrison's reaction Mr. Mr Morrison said that he was shocked. I think and thinking feeling sinking feeling correct. And then he went and then talked to the lawyers. Here's the direction of Ambassador Bolton correct and Mr Goldman Ambassador Taylor also testified that he concluded that the military aid was conditioned on Linski announcing the investigations and he testified that this was the logical crazy and wrong. Is that right that it was what Taylor testified to. Yes now my colleagues have also pointed out that on September ninth text message from sunland reflecting. The president has been crystal clear that there is no quid. Pro Quo Mr Goldman. Am I correct. That ambassador Sunland has now testified that prior prior to sending his text he himself came to believe that the aid was conditioned on the announcement of investigations. Yes Ambassador Song Island subsequent public testimony revealed at least two things that were precisely false. That were not true in that text message including that there was no quid pro quo of any it kind when he testified and we saw the video earlier that they're absolutely assuredly was as it related to the White House meeting and this September seventh call and the September nine text occurred after the press reports that is after the press reports that president trump was conditioning military aid on investigations of this political rival Zach. Correct yes and it also. This text occurred after ambassador. sunlen relayed president. Trump's message to presidents. Alinsky sqi Mr Goldman. The Investigative Committee receive any other evidence relevant to the credibility. The president's assertion that there was us no quid pro quo. We received a lot of evidence. And all of the evidence points to the fact that there was a quid pro quo. I recognize myself for five minutes. Lieutenant Colonel Kinman listened to the president's call and testified that when president trump asked Ukraine for a favor it wasn't the friendly request it was really a demand. I'm going to direct your attention to this slide about Lieutenant Colonel Vin. Men's testimony. Why did he say the president's favor was a demand he said because the power disparity between the United States as the greatest power in the in the world and Ukraine crane which is so dependent on the United States not just for the military assistance but for all of its support made such a request effectively a demand because presidents Alinsky could not rian reality? Say No am I correct that this vast power disparity exists in part because Ukraine has been then at war with Russia since Russia invaded five years ago and over. Thirteen thousand of the Ukraine. People have died is that correct yes and not only does the. US provide ten percent of their military budget but the United States is a critical ally in rallying other countries to support Ukraine rain. Europe actually gives four or five European Union gives. I think four times as much money as the United States overall to Ukraine so president trump knew that the Ukrainian president back was against the wall and presidents alinsky needed. US validation and support. Is that right now. According to the US ambassador order to the Ukraine and we have ambassador. Taylor's testimony up there. It wasn't until after ambassador. Sunland told the Ukrainians that there would be a quote. Stalemate stalemate end quote on the that's Alinsky agreed to announce the investigations that president trump was demanding. Correct that's right. Yes okay. And furthermore the committee heard testimony that the Ukrainians felt they had quote no choice but to but to comply with President. Trump's demands correct. That's right yes. Even after the aid was released in fact when asked in front of President trump in September hambur whether he felt pressured presidents Alinsky said quote. I'm sorry but I don't want to be involved to democratic open elections elections of the USA and quote is that that sounds right. If you're reading the quote yes okay now. The president and some of his defenders here have tried to excuse his misconduct conduct by pointing to statements from the Ukraine president that he was not under pressure to give in to president. Trump's demand did your investigative committees consider those statements statements by presidents Alinsky. We did and we found that. The statements of what is effectively a an extortion victim are not particularly securely relevant to the actual truth of the matter because presidents. Alinsky cannot in reality for the same reasons that he's he interpreted the request to be a demand and he can't go out and say that he did feel pressure because that would potentially upset president trump. And they're so dependent on the relationship with President trump in the United States. What one could almost say it's similar to a hostage testifying under duress? It is certainly a direct would be a good word so so when the president made these statements and up to and including today his country was still under attack by Russia. Still hadn't gotten a meeting at the White House and still still needed aid from the United States. Correct that's right and David. Holmes testified very I think persuasively about the importance of the White House meeting end of the relationship to Ukraine even after the aid was lifted including pointing. Today when President Putin and presidents Alinsky met to discuss the war in the East I saw the evidence is clear. The president trump knew. He had the power to force Ukraine's hand and took advantage of that desperation and abuse the powers of his office by using using our tax payer dollars basically to get what he wanted right. Yes and what's really important here and I think it has to be clarified. Is that the president. The evidence showed wrote that the president directly said to ambassador Sunland that there was a quid pro quo with the security assistance. And there's been some debate debate and discussion about that but that is one thing that the evidence shows based on the Morrison testimony the Taylor testimony the Sunland testimony and the texts. So that's very important to understand that whatever we want to say about hearsay or whatever that is direct evidence gentleman from Virginia Mister. Klenge Mr Cassar did the Democrats impeachment report rely on hearsay to support their assertions. Yes it did. How many times were you able to find a service based on hearsay we? We went through and counted over fifty instances of Geeky facs. Can you give us some of the examples of hearsay being relied on by Jordi to make their case. You know one one of the a lot of the information for example that Ambassador Taylor was communicating He very diligently recorded notes about what some the various officials told him. But it was about you know is one in two steps removed from the actual fact. And that's that's the problem with say it's a whisper down the lane situation and if some of the people that are doing the whisper predisposed not like president trump. Then then then what what. They're whispering down. The Lane becomes even more distorted. Did you also find instances where the Democrats report US witnesses speculations and presumptions and and the biggest one of course and this is sort of become the big daddy of the hearing his is a Hanlin presuming that that the the aid was tied to the investigations because as he engaged in a back and forth Mr Turner nobody on the planet. Nobody on the planet told him that was the case. Can you give us examples of these members of the foreign policy establishment who took issue with the president's foreign policy direction and choices. Well for example. Colonel Women testified that when he was listening to the call had prepared talking points and call package and he was visibly just completely deflated when he realized that his call notes weren't being referenced by the President and a lot of the inner agency officials I think became very sad that the president didn't revere their policy making apparatus is safe to say. There's another other reason. The President Skeptical of relying on some of these individuals to carry out his foreign policy goals like rooting out corruption in Ukraine. I think I think the president is is skeptical of of of the interagency bureaucracy. That may be why he instead relied on secretary. Perry Ambassador Volker Ambassador Sunlen correct and by the all three of those officials are not that far outside of the chain of The US government. Would it be appropriate in any investigation of corruption in Ukraine to exempt or remove say a political supporter certainly would be. Would it be inappropriate to remove a political critical opponent correct. Yeah would it be inappropriate to remove the son of political opponent from any investigation evolving Ukrainian capsule this all goes to the heart of Bias Gentleman Yields Back Miss. Courtesy of Mr. My Republican colleagues has suggested there is no direct. Evidence is that true you know. There's there's a lot of direct evidence and a lot of the evidence that they say is hearsay is actually not hearsay. Indeed they just not true now. I you don't want to relive a law school evidence class instead at like to go over some examples with you. Please me direct or indirect evidence ambassador Sunland Mysterio Volker both testified that on May twenty third two thousand nineteen president trump told him to quote talk to Rudy Rudy about Ukraine. Is that direct evidence. Yes technically not technically but yes thank you. And then we have the Memorandum of the Twenty Th July twenty fifth call between President Trump in presidents Alinsky. Is that direct evidence that is so there is direct evidence the president trump as presence Alinsky to look into these investigations and directed both prison Selena and US officials to talk to his personal turney about this. This Gatien's correct. Yes and if I could just jump in here on the twenty th July twenty fifth call because these four facts that we keep hearing about that are not in dispute are three of them are completely wrong so one of them happens to be that. There's no quid. Pro Quo mentioned in the July. Twenty fifth call. There is absolutely absolutely a quid. Pro Quo when presidents Alinsky says. I also wanted to thank you for your invitation to visit the United States specifically Washington. DC and then he says on the other hand and I also want to ensure you that we will be very serious about the case and we'll work on the investigation that is quid pro quo. That presidents Alinsky was informed of of before the call. So that's wrong. It's also wrong that no Ukrainians knew about the aid being withheld at the time of the call even though that doesn't even matter but and then finally there was no White House meeting ever provided so the third or fourth fact so I do think that that just needs to be clarified particular. We're focusing on indirect. Evidence is well. Let's let's give more examples. We also heard testimony of three of the individuals who participated in the July twenty. Five call is their testimony. Money direct evidence of what happened during that call. Yes although I would say the call record is better evidence than there the day after that call David. Holmes testified defy that in July twenty six. He overheard the president. Ask Ambassador Sunland whether presence Alinsky was going to do the investigation. Is that direct evidence. It is direct evidence and after the July twenty five call record was released. The president got on the White House lawn and again declared that Ukraine should investigate a potential potential political opponents family. The Biden's is that direct evidence. Yes it is his own words now that seems to be like. That's a lot of direct evidence. Mr Goldman wizar- sir. Other direct evidence that the committee relied on in addition to these well. There's a lot of evidence that I would call direct evidence because does not hearsay. If any of the people involved in the scheme are talking to each other and they relay what someone else said that is not hearsay. Say That would be in court co-conspirator statement and that would be admissible. So let's not get too far afield on talking about direct evidence that I understand but but it is very important because anything. Mr Giuliani says. Anything Ambassador Sunland says anything any of these people say is not hearsay and would be permitted did under the federal rules of evidence. Of course we follow the federal rules of evidence. Here which even more lenient. But that's an important point well. Is there anything wrong. Mr Goldman with drawing inferences this from circumstances courts tell juries to draw inferences every single day in every single courtroom. That is how you determine what the evidence since shows so when ambassador sunlen draws inferences from the fact that there's no explanation for the aid the fact that the White House meeting has already been held up because of the investigations and determines that that's the reason why the security assistance is also held up. That is a natural logical inference that every jury draws across across the country. Mr Naggus. Thank you Mr Chairman and As we approach the ninth hour of this hearing I wanNA thank both Mr Goldman and Mr Castro for for being here today and for your testimony. There's been a lot of discussion about whether or not the facts in this matter are contested. I believe they are not contested. And so I'd like to level set here and give you both an opportunity to address some of the facts that I believe are not in dispute and I want to begin by addressing something that I think we all know for certain and that's Russia interfered in our two thousand sixteen election so Mr Goldman after two years of investigation special counsel concluded that Russia interfered in our elections in quotes sweeping. Systemic fashion. Is that right yes Mr Casters. At right yes and Mr Goldman Mike. Correct that zero intelligence. The agencies have publicly stated that Ukraine attacked our elections in two thousand sixteen. Is that right. That's right I don't even think that the minority is alleging that the Ukrainian government government systematically in any meaningful way interfered. I think this is just based on a couple of news. ARTICLES MR CASS correct. The president had a good faith belief. There were some significant Ukrainian official. I hear you and you've said that previously I guess I'm asking you to the Ukrainian government. There are no intelligence agencies in the United States that have publicly stated that Ukraine is attacked our elections right. That's you're not testifying. That's the case. I'm not correct. And in fact President Trump's former homeland security advisor. Tom Bossert said that the idea of Ukraine for example hacking the DNC Server River was quote. Not only a conspiracy theory. It is completely debunked President Trump's homeland security adviser. That said those words that you see on the screen on my right right. Is that right. Mr Goldman yes. I saw that interview Mr Castro. He saw that interview. I'm aware of it in fact. Isn't it true that none of the witnesses that appeared before your committee testified in support of the theory. That Ukraine somehow interfered in our our elections. Is that right Mr Goldman. That is absolutely correct Mr Caster. It's correct but thank you no. Witnesses testified in support reclaim reclaim my time. NOSSA witnesses testified in support of that theory before your committee. Mr Goldman. Isn't it also true that your committee in fact received testimony indicating that there is evidence that Russia is in part perpetrating. This false theory. That Ukraine interfered in the two thousand sixteen elections. That's because Russia wants to deflect blame for its own evolvement. That is correct. We had evidence of that. And I think that it's very important to emphasize what is is evidence. And what is pure media reports or speculation because there is no evidence in our investigation. That Ukraine interfered heard in the two thousand sixteen election. And in fact I'd like to put some of the testimony that I believe you might be referencing. Mr Goldman on the screen in front of you both for Mr Holmes as as well as Dr Fiona Hill and I will quote from her testimony. I am very confident. Based on all the analysis that has been done and again. I don't WANNA start getting into intelligence matters that the Ukraine government did not in fear in our election in two thousand sixteen. This is a fictional narrative that is being perpetrated in propagated by the Russian security services. Themselves you recall that testimony Mr Goldman. I do also recall her testifying that in addition to the Ukrainian officials who made a couple of disparaging comments about president trump there are officials from countries. All around the world who also made disparaging comments about president trump and his Doctor Hill said their military assistance was put on hold so given your testimony and given your swell well Mr Castro it strikes me that there are in fact four uncontested fax I. Russia attacked are two thousand sixteen elections. Several intelligence agencies have independently confirmed that. This is true. Second Ukraine did not attack are two thousand sixteen elections. There's no absolutely no evidence that this baseless as lois consist of this baseless conspiracy theory third. There's evidence that Russia perpetrated the allegation that Russia that Ukraine interfered and our two thousand sixteen elections and finally that Russia benefits benefits from the US investigating Ukraine which was made clear through public testimony before your committee. So Mr Goldman is it fair to say that the intelligence Belgium's community agrees with these four conclusions. the intelligence community definitely agrees with one and two Dr Hill testified Two three As well as there's a public statement from Mr Putin and yes certainly. The witnesses emphasized for that Russia benefits from this and we saw in in in my opening statement. President Putin's comment that it's good now. That Ukraine is is all the talk and if that is the case it begs the question why would president trump perpetuate this conspiracy theory already disproven by the entirety of the intelligence community. That actually helps our adversary a country that is attacking our elections in real time. Miss Macbeth is recognized. Thank you MR chairman. Mr Goldman I wanNA follow up on. Just one part of president. Trump's conduct that. Ah Excuse me. I asked our constitutional scholars about last week. The investigative committees found evidence that president trump intimidated threatened threatened and tampered with perspective and actual witnesses in the impeachment inquiry correct and Mr Goldman. It is a federal crime time to intimidate or to seek to intimidate any witness appearing before Congress. Is that right yes. There's a little bit more to it. But that's the gist of it. Yes Mr Goldman. Am I correct. That president trump publicly attacked witnesses before after and even during their testimony that is correct and like to quickly go through some examples on twitter. The president tried to smear ambassador Bill Taylor. A former military officer who graduated at the top of his class at West Point served as an infantry commander in Vietnam and earned a bronze star and an air medal with V device for valor. He was attacked for doing his duty. To tell the truth to the American compete correct. He did his duty by testifying. Yes president trump also attacked other trump administration officials who who testified before the intelligence committee including Lieutenant Colonel Alexander s been men who is the director for Ukraine in on the National Security Council and Jennifer Williams the Special Adviser on Europe and Russia with the office of the vice president. Am I right. That is right. Yes Mr Goldman. I think another troubling example of this is the president's treatment of ambassador. Yamana Vich when when you question Ambassador Yamana which you asked her about the president's remarks that she would and I quote go through some things she told you that that remark sounded like a threat. Is that right Yes in July twenty fifth call. That's when president trump. I'm sad that Mr Stanton thank you Mr Chairman. We've heard today from some suggesting that this process how has somehow been unfair Mr Goldman. Let's clear up that record minority members on the investigative committees had access to all witness depositions. Is that correct. Yes and all the documents and were they allowed to ask questions of every witness. The minority was given equal time to the majority for every single interview deposition. We're hearing that we did. And the minority were allowed to call their own witnesses to the life hearings. Is that correct. They were also yes and they they did they and they got three witnesses. They were also allowed to call their own own witnesses for the depositions. They chose not to do that. The only witness they requested for the deposition was chairman Schiff who is not a fact witness to this investigation surgical and why did the investigative committees decide to conduct initial depositions behind closed doors the best investigative practice when you're doing a fact-finding mission is to keep the information closed and the reason is exactly what I described earlier with ambassador Sunlen who first of all the day before his deposition -sition. He spoke with Secretary Perry about his testimony that is the type of tailoring that can happen when people are engaged in misconduct and they try to line up their stories so if you keep the information closed they can't line up their stories and I think frankly part of the reason why Ambassador Volker and ambassador Sunland it's public hearing testimony was so different from their deposition. Testimony is because the the initial depositions were enclosed session before we then released all all the transcripts to the public and this is an unprecedented because in both the Nixon and Clinton impeachment inquiries there were either closed or depositions or grand jury proceedings at the beginning of the inquiries that's correct nor is it unprecedented in Congress. This is actually a rule in the house rules that was passed by Republican congresses. It was used in. Benghazi was used by a number of committees for the past decade or so and for clarity president trump has receive all procedural protections afforded to other presidents facing impeachment. Is that correct. That is right in the judiciary committee. He's had all of the options are our inquiry. Was Not the Judiciary Committee's investigation that is where the president's ability to present evidence silence of course if the president wanted to present evidence in the intelligence committee he could have provided documents he could have provided the witnesses that we asked for him but he obstructed rather than cooperate and the president has been invited to participate in the houses impeachment inquiry correct. Yes and as president declined the invitation. That's my understanding vice twice thus far yes in fact the president on only refuse to participate but he has also tried to stop. Congress from obtaining evidence isn't it true that the president has refused to produce any documents in response to the impeachment inquiries subpoenaed to the White House. Yes not a single one. Not a single doc and the president also directed all of his agencies to refuse to repeat to produce documents. Is that right. That is also true. Based on the president's order federal agencies have ignored more than seventy specific requests or demands for records from the committees is that correct. Yes and if I could just add this would quickly. This would ordinarily be document case if you were prosecuting. This case you'll be basing racing basing it on the documents so the fact that those documents are being withheld is quite significant. And it's it's quite remarkable that we built the record. We have on the witnesses. The the president's order to obstruct Congress didn't just extend documents at the president's direction. Witnesses also refuse to testify. Is that right. That's correct and in total more than a dozen members of the administration defied lawful subpoenas or requests for testimony or documents as we see on the slide bright between testimony and documents. That's correct and is it also true that when witnesses chose to follow the laws and testify. The president denied those witnesses access to the documents and they needed to properly prepare for their testimony for some of them. That's correct Dina's recognized Mister Gold. Goldman is it fair to say that president trump trump is the only president in the history of our country to seek to completely obstructed impeachment inquiry undertaken by this House that is corrected is unprecedented and in fact pursuant to President Trump's order twelve executive branch officials refuse to testify as part of the house impeachment inquiry ten of whom defied congressional subpoenas Venus. Am I right. Given the president's sweeping directive not to cooperate with Congress did the investigative committees believed that there was any chance that other administration officials would come forward if subpoenaed no it became clear that the president was trying to block everything and block. Everyone and eventually early. They came up with an alternative reason to To write in a Pinion to prevent people from coming which is quite a An aggressive of view that that they took but it was quite clear that they were trying to block every single witness some have said that the investigative committee should have gone to court. Did you decide side not to go to court. We thought about it a lot because obviously there are additional witnesses and we want this to be as thorough investigation but as you can see from Deutsche Bank case or the mcgann case it takes months and months to go through the appeals court. And that's effectively. What the president wants is just to delay this? As long as possible. That exact case the mcgann case because we're all intimately aware of it on April twenty second. This judiciary committee served a subpoena for testimony. Two White House counsel Don mcgann and after mcgann refused to testify on May twenty first. The committee filed a lawsuit on August the seventh to compel his testimony and even though we did request expedited ruling. It was another three and a half months before Judge Jackson found the Constitution does not allow a president to KNEECAP APP congressional investigations. Because as the judge wrote and I put up on the screen quote presidents are not kings as you know mcgann has appealed and a hearing is set for January third now of next year as we sit here today. Eight months since we issued that subpoena. Would you agree. It's likely we will not have an appeals heels court ruling for many months to come. It's quite possible that it could be several more months and then there may be. The Supreme Court exactly began may appeal appeal to the Supreme Court and conceivably. That could take another many months year. More depends on whether it's this term or gets pushed over to the next term given this. This delay illustrated by the mcgann example. Specifically would you agree that if we go to court to Enforce enforce the investigative committee subpoenas. We could face another months or years long. Delay to hear testimony absolutely and there's an ongoing threat because the president is trying to cheat to win the next election. It's not a it's not something that happened in the past it's continuing in the future so we cannot delay and just wait for the courts to resolve this when the reason why we would have to go to the courts is because the president it ended is obstructing an investigation into himself and the urgency is not just about our elections but also our national security. Am I right. That is a critical component to it. and Mr Armstrong. Mr Casper is been a long day in a long couple months. You've been in the middle of this and I know previously. You wanted to say something so thank you have resisted my my willingness to be athletic here in the afternoon but I want to say a few things. First of all the the Republicans on the Intelligence Committee submitted a number of subpoenas and we never got a vote and it was a motion to table at disposed of them ranking member. Nunez sent a letter on November eighth asking for witnesses remember Collins sent a letter on December sixth asking for witnesses. Some of these witnesses would've touched at heart of the issue that our members are concerned about. And that is you know we're Ukrainians trying to interfere with our elections. I mean this is a fact that is his mentor. IUS Of investigation the Ukrainians ought to investigate it and to the extent happened here in the US we ought to be investigating it and so to the extent. You know that hasn't happened. Republicans have attempted to do that during this process. So like to say that and I have a couple of other things storm strong. A ambassador consider Sandland is relied on and he went from a witness that was not very favorable to very favorable at his hearing and one of the one of the remarkable statements at his hearing was that everyone was in the loop types this email to pump compared to the secretary and the emails that he used to demonstrate that everyone was in the lube are not conclusive -clusive at all talks about the statement. That was going back and forth during the early part of August first of all Volcker said all along that he didn't think the statement was a good idea. Volcker and your mack toyed around with the statement and ultimately both both sides decided added that it wasn't it wasn't a plan so they they didn't do it And so the fact. That silent is emailing the secretary talking about this statement And so forth. It's just this doesn't show that everyone's in the loop ambassador Hale testified US people at the State Department. They don't just email the secretary. I mean the secretary gets email of course but it's not like this whole secretariat that alters his email l. and so it's not emailing the secretary of State is not quite as simple as I think. Embassador Sunlen I made. It seem here so I just wanted to address that We talked a couple of times about the reliability of George cans notes One of embassador volkers assistance Catherine Kroft testified in news rather startling piece of testimony. You you. She was asked whether Kant's notes would be reliable sort of a typical question. Everyone expecting answer to be yes except she said No. I don't think cans notes would be reliable So I think that's important to put on the record that there is evidence that you you know. Perhaps Mr Kent felt some emotions about about some of these issues and his notes at least according to one State Department official might in fact be reliable the CNN interview that there's been discussion about okay. The there is discussion Russian about possibly doing a statement which was canned there was. Maybe there was discussion of a CNN interview but we did not really get to the bottom of that that that was sort of this fact that was out there in Basseterre Taylor testified that he was worried. It would happen but we didn't. We didn't really talk to anyone that that could tell us precisely what was going to occur in the CNN interview and whether Presidents Alinsky was actually going to do it. If you look back at the statement that your Mac and vulgar. We're talking about your Mac wasn't comfortable doing it and so when it comes to the CNN interview. It's possible your Mac. What are the president's Alinsky not to say what people thought he was going to say so anyway? I'm sorry Mr Armstrong Powell is rank you Mr the chairman Mr Goldman. It's been confirmed that president trump's campaign actively sought Russia's interference in twenty six sixteen elections. Correct a special counsel Mueller said that President Trump did invite them and solicit them to Hillary Clinton's e mails ultimately the trump campaign. I think it was welcomed. Knew about the interference welcome did and utilized it right and in two thousand sixteen trump said Russia if you're listening within five hours. Russian intelligence has targeted the emails of trump's opponent and let me just point out the president doesn't mention corruption. Does he Mr Goldman. No he doesn't as I said it was it. It became quite clear in all of his comments. And all of the other witnesses that any mention of corruption or anti-corruption was really meant and the evidence showed this was really a a euphemism for the investigations correct and trump is not only asking president trump. Excuse me as not only asking Ukraine but he also says China should start investigating his political opponents. The president's pattern of behavior is incredibly disturbing Russia. Ukraine China hi now. He's inviting three countries to help him and his reelection campaign and Mr Goldman any reason to believe he wouldn't ask any other governments for example Consuegra. Correct I mean at this point. He is shown not only a willingness to do it multiple times but I think more importantly really for all of the members consideration. He's also shown a lack of contrition a lack of acknowledgement that. What he is doing is wrong and that it is wrong? And if you don't recognize that it is wrong than you. There is no reason why you won't do it again. If you've already done it exactly I mean. We saw Giuliani and Ukraine. Just three days ago and last night I wanNA point out that the Washington Post actually released an article saying that Rudy. Giuliani has been now advising on how to open a back channel final between president trump and my daughter. So I'm very worried about that now. I don't think we have any time to wait to see if any countries are now going to take him up on the offer to help him in his reelection campaign. Mr Goldman did the investigative committees reach any conclusions about the ongoing going threats that continuing risk that the president poses yes For the same reasons that we just discussed and I think the June an of television interview with George Stephanopoulos this year where the president indicated that he would once again welcome. Foreign interference is another data. Point to understand Dan where it is and I would just say to Mr Russian Taller who was questioning. Who was saying that? He's got such a great record and that the Democrats just don't want him to win The question is if that is the case and that very well may be the case. Then why does he need to cheat to win the election. Why can't he just on his own platform? Escobar's recognized so Mr Goldman. I'd like your help in responding to some of the claims that my Republican colleagues have made today the president and his allies. Say say that there was no quid. Pro Quo in other words. They claim that the president wasn't withholding the aid exchange for the manufacturer political investigation. Isn't it true that the aid was withheld and that there has been no logical explanation for the withholding of that aid. There's common sense against that that leads one to conclude that the aid was withheld for the investigations. And then there's also direct evidence in that the president's own words it's online on September seventh said the same thing thank you. President trump knew he had leverage over President Zielinski and in fact David David. Holmes testified. That ambassador Sunlen told President trump that president Zilenski will quote. Do anything you ask him. Is that correct correct. That is what I what embassador Sunland said the or. Actually that's what president trump ambassador Sunland said to president trump apologies. You testified earlier. Hear that evidence shows that the Ukrainians in fact did know that the aid was being withheld. My colleagues continue to say they're witness continue to say there couldn't be leveraged because they had no idea that the aid was being withheld yet. There has been evidence that shows that they knew that correct. Well I think it's important just for a second here to take a step back. It doesn't matter when they knew as long as they knew at some point and then they they realized at that point that the investigations were dependent on the aid. But they're in addition. There is a lot of evidence that they knew before it became public on August. Twenty eight and you're right. It doesn't matter if you're about to be held up at gunpoint by a burglar. It doesn't matter whether you know or not. The intent is still there by the criminal about to commit the act. My Republican colleagues colleagues. Also make much about the fact that the was finally released but isn't it true that it wasn't released until the president got caught. It wasn't released until the president it got caught and all of the money didn't actually get to Ukraine in this in that fiscal year. And you all in Congress had to pass another law to allow for the money to get to Ukraine. Thank you earlier today. Mister Kessler attempted to explain away the president's request for foreign interference in our election by it claiming that the president had three concerns that number one. The president was concerned about Ukraine corruption. That number two. He was concerned -cerned about burden-sharing with Europe and number three he brought up the debunked conspiracy theory about the about Ukraine election interference. which by the way that last point we know is a Russian talking point? Mr Goldman did the investigative committees consider those three explanations nations. And if so what does the evidence show about. Whether President Trump's request was actually motivated by those concerns. It's a very good question. There are two things things to that. Were discussed here today. One is evidence and one is assertions and opinions based on the evidence. There is no evidence to support any of those three three things that you just mentioned. There's no evidence to think that the president acted towards Ukraine because of his concerns about corruption. Even if he held those concerns that was not the motivating automating factor. There's no evidence that his concern about other European countries. Giving enough money motivated him. And they're certainly not a reasonable belief given all of the evidence that he believed that Ukraine interfered in our two thousand sixteen elections the law. Fair podcast is produced in cooperation with the Brookings Institution. 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Putin praises work of Special Counsel Mueller, New York Times: Trump Jr. makes deal to testify before Senate Intelligence Committee

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Putin praises work of Special Counsel Mueller, New York Times: Trump Jr. makes deal to testify before Senate Intelligence Committee

"Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of affordable. Eyewear styles starting at just six ninety five. No ridiculous markups. No hassles. Just quality affordable. I wear delivered right to you visits. Any today at Xeni dot com slash CNN. Happening now, breaking news, Putin's phrases Muller. Russia's leader calls the special counsels Russia report exotic but objective stressing the Robert Muller found no trace of collusion back comes as Florida's governor reveals to counties in his state were hacked during the twenty sixteen election was Russia to blame. I didn't ask President Trump property taxes as attorney general for working with the nation's intelligence chiefs to review the origins of the Russia investigation. The president claims he didn't ask William bar to do. So, but he has repeatedly demanded in public approp- to investigate the investigator war footing. A new report says the military is planning to stage. Tens of thousands of troops in the Middle East after dispatching ships planes defensive missiles to the region is the US suddenly going up possible war footing against Iran and give it back Kim Jong. Goons regime is demanding the US give back a cargo ship sees for allegedly violating sections, but why is the North Korean dictator reportedly also demanding that the US send him basketball players. I wolf Blitzer you're in the situation room. This is CNN. Breaking new news are the house intelligence committee has asked lawyers for the president his daughter and son-in-law and his business to submit to voluntary interviews type to Michael Cohen's claims that they helped edit his false testimony to congress. The committee chairman is warning of a subpoena. Also tonight, the attorney general William bars working with US intelligence chiefs to review the origins of the Russia investigation. The president denies asking VAR to act, but he has repeatedly called for such a probe to quote investigate the investigators that comes as the Trump administration's battle against congressional investigations today. Move to a federal court where judge heard arguments on a house oversight subpoena for documents from President Trump's accounting firm. The judge has stressed that it would be unusual for court to limit congressional subpoena power speak with congressman Chris Stewart of. The house intelligence committee and our correspondents analysts. They will have full coverage of the day's top stories. Let's begin with our chief White House. Correspondent Jim Acosta. Jim the attorney general is heating the president's call to look into the beginnings of the Russia investigation. That's right woven. No surprise president. Trump gave his blessing to attorney general William bars decision to launch an investigation into the origins of the Russia probe that began during the two thousand sixteen campaign, but he claims today in front of reporters that he didn't ask for that Ashra special counsel Robert Muller's investigation. He did pick up one notable endorsement today from Russian President Vladimir Putin. After weeks of complaints about the Muller report. President Trump is getting what he wanted an investigation of the investigators who pro Trump campaign contact with the Russians during the twenty sixteen election asked about attorney general William bars moved to tap of federal prosecutor to launch an inquiry. The president said it wasn't something he ordered. No. I didn't ask him to do. I didn't know it. But I think it's a great thing that he did it. And you know, what I am. So proud of our attorney general that he is looking into it. I think it's great. I did not know about it. No foot bar didn't exactly need another ch-. He could just check the president's Twitter feed such as this tweet from last month that said investigate the investigators. It seems the president has already made up his mind on the subject criticizing his hand picked up the I director Christopher Ray who testified he didn't think federal investigators were spying on the Trump campaign. Well, I didn't understand his answer. Because I thought the attorney general answered at perfectly. So I certainly didn't understand that answer. I thought it was ridiculous et that answer. From Ray came at a hearing last week. Do you have any evidence than any illegal surveillance into the campaigns or individuals associated with the campaigns by the FBI occurred? I don't think I personally have any evidence of that sort. A rare, but notable moment of public disagreement with the attorney general, I think there's spying did occur. While the president has aired his frustration with special counsel Robert Muller's investigation that probe did find a fan in Russia's Vladimir Putin. Despite the exotic nature of the work of special counsel Muller. We must give him credit secretary of state, Mike Pompeo who is beating with Putin in Russia warned the US won't tolerate Moscow meddling in twenty twenty interference in American. Elections is unacceptable. The Russians were engaged in that in two thousand twenty it would put our relationship in an even worse place than it has been the full scale of that interferences still being revealed as Florida's governor told reporters today, voter databases and two of the state's counties were infiltrated by Russian operatives for the twenty sixteen election to Florida counties, experienced intrusion into the supervisor election networks there was no manipulation or anything. But there was voter data that was able to be yet. The president is eager to wrap up the Russia probe complaining he doesn't wanna son. Donald Trump junior to spend any more time testifying before the Senate intelligence committee despite receiving a subpoena to do. So I have no idea why? But it seems very unfair to me on his trade war. Mister, Trump is defending his tariffs on China. Tweeting are great patriot farmers will be one of the biggest beneficiaries of what is happening now despite growing complaints at the US agricultural sector is suffering where having a little squabble with China because we've been treated very unfairly for many many decades or actually a long time. The president is also rejecting reports that is administration is making plans in the event of a massive military confrontation with Iran now what I do that. Absolutely. But we have not planned for that. Hopefully would not get after planned for that at if we did that would send a hell of a lot more troops than that. And the president has certainly applying pressure on the Senate intelligence committee when he says it's unfair for his son to have to spend more time detailing what he knows about Russian interference. But the GOP led intelligence committee appears to have the support of Republican leadership as Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell said earlier today, he's not going to tell that committee's chairman. Richard Burr, how to do his job and wolf one thing we should point out getting back to with lottery. Putin said about the Muller probe when he echoed a President Trump's line that there was no collusion found by the special counsel's investigation. Bladder Putin completely overlooked the fact that that same Muller investigation did find Russian interference occurred in the twentieth. Sixteen election. We'll do. All right. Jim acosta. Thank you very much on. Now. There's more breaking news. Let's bring in CNN's Carris canal, kerosene and has learned that the house intelligence committee is now investigating the role. Lawyers. Played the lawyers tied to the president is family played in Michael Coen's, false testimony before congress. What's the latest on that? That's right. So CNN is learn that the house intelligence committee. Has asked four lawyers associated with Trump his personal attorney. Jay, secular, two lawyers who work for the Trump organization and the lawyer for vodka chunk Trump and Jared Kushner to preserve documents and ready to sit for voluntary interviews all relating to the bigger question of whether anyone had helped mislead his committee the house committee's investigation. Now, this stems in part from Michael Cohen's testimony were he admitted that he lied to congress when he said about you news discussing the lengthen the duration of the talks for to develop a Trump Tower and Moscow. Now, what the house intelligence committee is looking at is to whether any of these lawyers were involved in those statements because when Michael Cohen was testifying. He said that changes were made to a statement. He specifically mentioned one of those attorneys known explaining this. We have a statement from Adam Schiff, the chairman of the house intelligence committee in that he said that we must determine how expansive the obstruction effort was and whether others were involved beyond those who were indicted the materials we are requesting in these letters go to the heart of that. Station and to Congress's ability to conduct meaningful oversight. Now, a source tells our colleagues on the hill that is possible the ship will move to subpoena these lawyers for their testimony now lawyers are pushing back in letters to the committee saying that they have to protect attorney client privilege, and we have a statement from one lawyer representing all four of those attorneys, and he's saying instead of addressing important intelligence needs the house intelligence committee appears to seek a truly needless dispute this one with private attorneys that would force them to violate privileges in ethical rules as committed defense lawyers. We will respect the constitution and defend the attorney client privilege, one of the oldest and most sacred privileges in the law. So it appears that at this point they're not going to comply with this. We'll see how strong shift have SCO in this. If he does seek to subpoena them. But this is yet another new investigation that we're learning of this into whether these lures were involved in a Michael Coen's false testimony before congress. There's another intriguing development. You're in a federal court house today when? In lawyers, representing the the president and Democrats. They got into a big fight right now about getting access to the president's financial records. What happened? That's all. Right. So President Trump is trying to stop the house from attaining counting records that his accounting firm has and there was a first test in a courtroom today where we saw them having make these arguments. Now, the judge overseeing the case said he was not going to rule today would not rule this week, but he did quiz Bo size. But really appeared skeptical of President Trump's legal teams argument, which they were arguing that any action by congress was looking to investigate not legislate, and the judge push back on them saying that, you know, there hasn't been a court case since eighteen eighty that limited congressional subpoenas. So it looks like he is leaning to side with congress that, you know, saying that there's really very limited reasons to her tail congressional investigations new even brought up Watergate and whitewater, saying, you know, to Trump's attorney, you know, we're those legitimate invest. Estimative, tools and reasons that congress was looking to the area. So it appears as though he's leaning toward Congress's side. Now, this is the first courtroom test. We're also going to see another test next week in New York where the president is also seeking to stop deutchebanks and Capital One to lenders and banks that he's dealt with from compliant too. How subpoena in that case? So this real issue in the separation of powers is on the table now. And it's now in the courts where we should see a decision in the near term, Dr Seuss there will be more legal battles down the road as well care Goodell. Thank you very much for that report. Joining us now Republican congressman Chris Stewart of Utah is a key member of the house intelligence committee. Congressman thanks so much for joining us to be with you are. So let's get with the breaking news. You just heard the house of diligence committee your committee. The chairman Adam Schiff among others seeking specific information from various attorneys for the president is family business in connection with Michael Cohen's claims that clearly were false that he he said. And they helped him edit that false testimony before congress about the Moscow Trump Tower project. First of all, do you support this inquiry by your committee now, I look if if you think you've got to beat this dead horse any longer you gotta dig this dude out of the grave to beat it. I mean, look Mr. Muller completed his report there's been so many investigations, this seems to be much much more of the same. And here's my concern in this. I think this is something that you and others would appreciate this isn't the purview of the house intelligence committee. Our committee is there to look at national security to look at intelligence issues to look at things about keeping Americans safe. This has nothing all to do with that. Now, if you're on the House Judiciary understand maybe that committee would look this and have concerns that the house intelligence committee. This isn't what we are created and designed for I think, honestly, it's it's such a diversion from the things that really matter to most of us on a committee of the reasons we wanted to be on the, but if I individuals lied or obstructed information. In terms of their testimony before your committee or other house committees during the course of this investigation. Don't you wanna learn about that is the responsibility of congress of individuals lied? Well, no, I understand that. And I've said that on your show many times if people come far community live we want the all about that. Honestly, does Mr. Cohen is there anyone in America who's got less credibility than Mr. Cohen does on this every time he's appeared to far comedian cluding when he after his conviction he came back to our committee. And he lied to us once again there were additional referrals or suggested additional referrals because of that. And I just don't think he has credibility to open up an entire line of investigation. And I think to back that up. Let's remember he is the one responsible for this statement. It was about information that only he had knowledge out and for him to now say, well, I did this at the behest of some attorneys. I just don't think it passes a credibility test. But but it is this look some. Some of my democratic colleagues wanted to keep this president under suspicion investigations open as long as they can obviously it through the next election at least. And I think they'll fell almost any path in order to do that is another sensitive issue. I want to pick your brain on congressman of the attorney general William bars. Now starting a brand new investigation into the origins of the entire Russia probe. And what's the prize me is the inspector general over the department of Justice is about to finish his own probe into that specific question. Why do you think the attorney general is launching a new one before the inspector general concludes his well, I think he's just so deeply concerned he felt like maybe having another set of eyes on this. But I'm looking forward to the inspector general's report is something many of us have been looking out for more than a year for more than year. Many of us have been saying that the predicate the idea of this of the the investigation, and what it was. Rated on is deeply fly. And and I know the inspector general is looking at. But he's looking at an awful lot of things it's not just that he has a plethora of items that he has responsibility for and I think the attorney general just felt like this was such an important item that he wanted another set of eyes who looked at Justice issue someone who they knew would have the resources and the time to really pursue it in a meaningful way that perhaps the inspector general wouldn't have. But don't you. But you agree that Russia did interfere in 2016. They did get involved in doing all sorts of things as the Muller report of the various US intelligence agencies are all of the current intelligent national security intelligence types in the Trump administration. They all a great the Russia was doing it wasn't that the reason for the origin of the Russia investigation will will a ES I agree with that. In fact, as I've said on your show a dozen times. Not only do I agree that it happened. I was in Moscow just for the election. Came home said it's going to happen. Many of us knew that they were gonna do. There's no question. I mean, there's no question at all legitimate origin. Listen that legitimate reason for beginning a probe like this. It absolutely is and they should have. But this is something different. All thing. This is you're taking people who we now know that the charges against him into suspicion against him is unwarranted. We know that now Mr. Muller was declared on that. There was no evidence of this. And yes, that's true. If there's no evidence that would support opening this investigation. And then I think it's very important question. And that is why did you open it then on based on whatever this isn't. We're not looking at a mafia family. We're not looking at drug cartels were looking at a campaign for the president of the United States. And if you're going to put some of those individuals under surveillance as we know that they did. And if you're gonna put them under were they're communications are being east drop, as we know they were then you better have a good reason for that. And I think that's what the attorney general, and these others are looking at was their proper caution was a proper political considerations given that or was it done perhaps as many of us have been. Concerned for a long time now perhaps for political purposes rather than for real national security? All right. Congressman Chris Stewart of Utah. Thanks as usual for joining us. Thank you up next more breaking news, Russia's Vladimir Putin phrases, the special counsels Russia report, saying Robert Muller found no trace of collusion. But Putin leaves out the part where Muller found that Russia did indeed attack the US presidential election and CNN's chief national security correspondent Jim shadow various AM east. Daddy, by live talk about his brand new very important book, entitled the shadow war inside Russia's at China's secret operations to defeat America. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Zanny dot com. With the latest trends in eyewear available in hundreds of frame styles and materials there isn't a better way to change it up for every season. Plus is any offers prescription sunglasses at incredible prices. Visit Xeni today at Xeni dot com slash ready that Z E N N, I dot com slash ready. Breaking news coming into the situation room right now, the New York Times reporting, Donald Trump junior. The president's eldest son has made a deal to come testify before the Senate intelligence committee. I want to bring in our chief national security correspondent, Jim Shudo. He's also the author of a brand new very important book entitled the shadow war inside Russias and Chinas secret operations to defeat America. Let me tell you what our colleague Maggie Haberman. Jim is reporting from the New York Times, she says this. She says a deal was struck between the Senate committee subpoenaing Donald Trump junior for limited appearance between two to four hours in mid June. After an intense campaign by his allies against the chairman. Richard Burr, Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader story via then she says coming soon on the New York the New York Times, visit very significant development if the president's son now will appear before the committee for between two to four hours to answer questions. Well fan, and I can say now that CNN has confirmed this story as well that this deal is reached here. It's important because it's a resolution of a significant standoff one between congress and the White House on whether congress whether a key congressional committee has the ability in the power to ineffective subpoena who they want to subpoena to ask hard questions about this investigation. And particularly significant in this case because this is committee chaired not by democrat as the house committees are chaired by Republican Senator Burr which had led to enormous criticism of the Republican chairman of that committee from members of his own caucus saying that somehow and some of the Trump's supporters saying that somehow he was not a real Republican or is being disloyal here standing his ground the committee standing its ground here. And now Donald Trump junior agreeing to sit down to be questioned. Now, of course, the question going forward is what is the line of inquiry here? Are they concerned that he was not truthful? Four the committee when he appeared weeks ago is it possible they want to test his statements to see if he committed perjury. Then of course, the other question is what more do they want to learn about what was a central part of the Russia investigation. And that is that Trump Tower meeting in June two thousand sixteen where he was interested and the campaign was interested in receiving foreign help dirt on Hillary Clinton from Russia. Yes. The special counsel concluded that there was no conspiracy between the two sides. But it did cite a number of instances like this one to to speak to contacts and interest. And is a special counsel said you'll remember in that report that there was interest from the Trump campaign in receiving that help what more do they want to learn we'll find out after two two two four hours that he will sit before that committee. And they also wanna presumably questioned him about the the the project the Trump Tower project that was being discussed in Moscow. What what what he was was he involved in that how much he knew about that. I think in addition to the Trump Tower meeting in New York, they want to talk to him about that. What's really significant is member the chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, Lindsay Graham, he recommended the Donald Trump junior simply ignore the subpoena from the Senate intelligence committee, led by the Republican chairman Richard Burr, that's right away encouraging him as did a couple of other Republican senators to take the fifth. I if they were to accept that subpoena in effect refuse refuse to answer any of these questions, which is a remarkable thing to do for for members of congress to in effect give up that right for congress to exercise its power of investigation here. So it appears and I think we can reasonably call this good news that resolution has been reached. So that that committee gets its moment with Don jR to ask him questions. And it's what else the significant is that this will be a verbal cue in for between two to four hours. Not simply written questions and written answer. That was one of the options that we were told yesterday could be on the table as well. This is a significant development. Absolutely. And of course, that is the way that the president answered questions from the special counsel special counsel. And we learned this again confirmed in the report sought to have a face to face interview. But in effect gave up on that took those written written answers to which the president frequently answered I cannot recall it is a qualitative difference to be able to to sit face to face with the witness and challenge their answers in person on the spot. This is very we're gonna have a lot more on this new development, the breaking news. But you've also written a really significant very important new book, I want to talk a little bit about that. And get your thoughts. There was a meeting in Russia earlier today, the secretary state, Mike Pompeo told Radomir Putin that President Trump very much wants better relations between the US and Russia the Russian president actually praised the work of the special counsel, Robert Muller. But without mentioning the Muller report that the Muller report concluded. That Russia did in fact interfere in the election. So so a lot of research now Russia's up to here in the United States with China's up to here in the United States. What's your reaction when you hear this? It's truly remarkable because what is the potential area for agreement between Russia and the US just go through the list of issues on which the US and Russia on opposite ends of the spectrum Venezuela the Iran nuclear deal, remember Russia's a signatory to that deal. The US pulled out of it Syria, the US in Russia on opposite sides election interference not just in two thousand sixteen but which was attempted again in two thousand eighteen and is expected to happen again in two thousand twenty Russia has not changed its behavior there. Russia's still occupies large parts of a European country. You crane in in spite of American protests, and this is the point here beyond the fact that the US has many disagreements with Russia. So I it's difficult to imagine. How the two sitting across from each other. Can can find a way forward on these things very easily? But the fact is and I spoke to US national security officials military commanders intelligence officials is that these are Russia's permanent interests. And it's part of a broader plan to undermine the US on multiple fronts, and there are the fronts that Americans are aware aware of election interference being one of them. But there are others that they're not Russia has deployed weapons in space satellites designed to destroy US satellites at the military and civilian technology depends on Russia has brought about is pursuing an enormous race a great game under the waves with more advanced submarine technology, which is designed to get close to the US coast to at least have the possibility of using nuclear weapons against the US homeland, this is happening on a number of fronts at the same time because Russia has the express interest of overcoming the US undermining the US so knowing that and knowing that that's the way US national security officials speak. It's remarkable to have the disconnect when you come with the president dispatching a secretary of state and saying somehow, I'm gonna figure this out and turn it around to a more positive relationship, and I know this because we work closely together in your new book, the shadow war. And and I have a hard copy version of the book that just came out today you received unprecedented access to some of America's most secure facilities in missions, some of which you actually debuted here in the situation room over the past year or two still in your new book, you say you're concerned about the future is the US prepared for the threat, the new threat from China and Russia that the threat they pose to the US. It's a different kind of threat. Here's the concern. I as you know, I spent time on the ground on each of the fronts of this shadow war. I was in a US surveillance jet over the South China Sea where China is creating new territory again in the face of US, protests, and international law. I was on a US nuclear submarine under the Arctic where the US is fighting this new competition with Russia as its submarines become more advanced. I was on the ground in Ukraine as Russia took this territory inside the NSA operation center as they fight cyber attacks on the US the way US submarine commanders aircraft commanders at flight wing commanders. The way the NSA is talking about this the way US intelligence officials talk about it. And diplomats a complete disconnect from the way, the president talks about it. Those people on the front lines they identify Russia as an adversary and one that the US has to step up the fight simply to defend itself. The president speaks about it in a different way. And the concern is that across the board. And again, I spoke to officials from both Republican and democratic administrations they agree that you need leadership from the top to win this war. And the US doesn't have that. At this point. That disconnect is the concern here. I will say that there are Americans. In uniform, and how to form you to full uniform who were defending the country today against this. But they say they can't do it properly unless they have the backing of the US president, and they don't have confidence the confidence that they have that back, and you documented all very well in this new book this new threat to the US, Jim Shuna. Thanks very much. Once again, the new book is entitled the shadow war inside Russias and Chinas secret operations to defeat. America worth your read remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Let's get some more on the breaking news right now. Donald Trump junior has made a deal to come testify before the Senate intelligence committee. You heard the news just moments ago. I quickly want to go to maharaja up on Capitol Hill of this a significant development that I must say a bit surprising. Yeah. After days of pushback weeks of negotiation. This deal apparently brokered, according to a source familiar with the matter that down Trump junior will come in it made June. Now, we are waiting for exactly what this agreement is about one source telling our colleague, Jeremy diamond that this will be limited to two four topics to discuss that we don't have a confirmation from the committee that Richard Burr left a meeting a closed-door meeting just moments ago declined to comment on any of these negotiations. But there was a subpoena that was issued that had a deadline for yesterday for him to appear before this committee now that of course, that didn't happen these negotiations continued they extended the deadline until today. And that's when this deal apparently was reached that we don't we do know wolf that the Republicans and Democrats I wanted to ask them roughly a dozen topics before and dump junior pushed back specifically didn't wanna talk about two topics in particular. The Trump Tower meeting that he was a part of back in June two thousand sixteen as well as the pursuit of that Trump Tower Moscow project there have been questions about his previous testimony. And whether that was truthful to Capitol Hill in the wake of the mullahs report. Republicans and Democrats Burr Richard Burr and Mark Warner wanted to clear up any discrepancies. Donald Trump junior's legal team pushed back, and that's what led to the breakdown talk. So we're going to see tweet get details about whether or not he agreed to talk about any those two topics in particular. What were the topics that? He will ultimately come in and talk about, but nevertheless, significant that there is a movement after days of pressure days of outrage from the right going after its rubber to at least have Donald Trump to you come in and talk to this committee amid concerns among his team his allies that he may be setup for a perjury trap. Well, as you say the subpoena, it was about his testimony related to the 2016 Trump Tower meeting in New York, I that's going to be one of the topics. I assume they will cover right? And that's what Mark Warner and Richard Burr both wanted to ask about whether he's going to answer those questions, I think is answered at this point wolf, he had threatened not to show up because precisely that reason that they wanted to ask him about that. And also there was some talk with from sources close to Donald Trump junior that he actually may take the fifth if you were asked about those questions really come up and take the fifth if he's asked about that will that will they agree. Not to ask them about those those key topics. I don't think we don't have the answers to that yet. This news just happening in developing right now. But we do know apparently that he is agreed to come back in will they limit the questions damn will senators be allowed to question will just be staff. Investigators all those areas have been the subject of intense negotiation for days, and will they get any more clarity about what he meant to say what he intended to say, which apparently apparently does not line up with the mullahs report said about his knowledge of that Trump Tower me. Meeting back in two thousand sixteen what he said in the run-up to that meeting and his involvement in his knowledge about the pursuit of that Trump Tower Moscow project, Willie shed any more light on that. Or will it is the committee agreed to stay away from that? We'll have to see as we continue to report this out wolf for the moment, it appears at least some movement after the two sides have been going at it for days wolf, very important information maharaja, thank you very much. I want to bring in our political and legal experts. We'll talk about the breaking news and Dan bash a win for Richard Burr. Looks like a significant win the Republican chairman of the Senate intelligence committee authorized that subpoena Donald Trump junior. And now Donald Trump junior is going to come back and testify. Yeah. We were talking at this time yesterday on this very show wolf about the difference between all the other requests that we've seen from House Democrats without any support from Republicans on that side of the capitol the difference between that and this which is bipartisan, and led by Republicans, who of course, are in the majority in the Senate, it is very very different. And it is obviously why Donald Trump junior and his lawyers realized that they didn't have any choice, but to negotiate that no was not a legitimate answer. Because Richard Burr was not playing around here. And that he obviously did this in defiance of not just the president. But it seems to be his own leader who had gone to the floor last week and said case closed on all of this. But he has seen things that he wants to ask questions on his who was saying the biggest is what happened in the Trump Tower meeting in two thousand sixteen and his efforts and involvement in preparing. The Trump Tower for potential Trump Tower Moscow project, whether he'll answer those questions is and perhaps that is when the main reasons why he has agreed because he doesn't intend to give anything that would allow him to walk into a potential perjury trap trap. But it is a big deal. And it is no question because it is the Republican chairman, the fellow Republican chairman who demanded it so many other Republican senators, Lindsey Graham, for example, Thom Tillis and others were criticizing the Republican chairman. Richard Burton for doing this. They said Donald Trump junior suits, simply they recommended ignore this request. How big of a deal Susan and see is it that there was apparently some sort of deal worked out instead of Donald Trump junior for example, just coming back and responding to the subpoena. That are some some details that are included in this arrangement significant that they didn't Altima he ultimately is not testifying pursuant to a subpoena. This is the way these things often conclude because of the way. To preserve flexibility on both sides bird didn't wanna have that politically embarrassing legal battle. But he wanted to have that testimony. This is Don, jR, realizing that you probably wasn't gonna win that fight the Barilla's going to stick to his guns and not withdraw the subpoena and so agreed to come in. Now, the most significant thing is what are the questions that he's agreed to talk about and it's going to plead the fifth in relation to to potential questions about whether or not he perjured himself before the committee in the past now sort of the Trump teams favorite legal term. These days is a perjury trap. Perjure up business absolately, not a perjury trap wanting to investigate whether or not somebody has been truthful with the committee wanting to get to the heart of the matter of whether or not perjury has occurred is wholly outside the definition of any kind of perjury trap. As it exists. You cover the White House, whereas wonder how the President Donald Trump junior's father is going to react because over the past day or two he's been saying this is terrible. Shouldn't do it ended move on an as recently as just a few hours ago as he was leaving the White House? Well, it's unlikely that the president's going to change his tune about whether he thinks Don, jR, should actually be sitting down. But it seems unlikely to me that this accommodation would have been reached without the president's knowledge considering that it is his son. It does actually have to do with what Don jR, told the committee around that Trump Tower meeting, which the president played a role in explaining to the public. And so President Trump is was likely like Donald Trump junior faced with no choice. But to give the committee something he doesn't like this arrangement. He doesn't like that Burr defied him in this way. But they seem to have been left with no choice here. But I think he might be heartened by the fact that this is going to be limited in scope limited in duration and also limited. In scope, which might allow Don jR, to have some ability to escape a real out grilling by the committee over a long period of time. The president talks a lot about the twenty hours at he's already given to congress in terms of testimony. This will be far short of that two to four hour. How do you run will? I mean, look, this is the way that these things usually end, right? We on the house side. There's this just total blockade by the administration, not not to cooperate which generally when congress want someone to testify to come back and clarify testimony. There was a deal that gets worked out. Right. So Don, jR, played a little bit of hardball with with his lawyers that forced because they've been negotiating remember since December. Right. So even before the Muller report came out, apparently, according to CNN's reporting yesterday bird at the committee and Don juniors team have been negotiating and they played hardball with the subpoena and subpoenas work, right, especially if you're not protected in some way. By being inside the administration. If you were just a citizen on the outside. You get subpoenaed by congress. It's a serious thing. So he had to come back and. Come up with some hit to give them something. Right. So he's giving them several hours and limiting the topics very very important to see what those topics. I don't think we have a reporting yet on what exactly those topics are. But obviously, they have to be what Warner and Burr wanted him to come in and talk about it wouldn't make any sense, if he said, oh, you know, I'm only going to talk about issues that you guys to care about. So they must have gotten him pinned down on on the issues that they want. It's a good precedent. Interesting precedent for all the other subpoenas, and all the other testimony that congress reminds me of the other surveillance where thing the White House strategy sort of meet up against reality. We've seen the White House talk a big game about essentially rejecting any and all congressional oversight. Now, we're thing that no congress actually is a co equal branch of government is possible to enforce us on. Well, we're thing not by Don jR, ultimately capitulating, albeit through a compromise decided to come in and testify. We're also seeing in a court case that played out today. Lawyers for the house of representatives. Fighting over whether or not a third party has to respond to provide Trump, financial statements. Your Trump's attorneys were making really astounding arguments in court today, essentially saying that investing the investigating the president for corruption at all is not legitimate that the Watergate inquiries little weren't legitimate really sort of the most important acts of congressional oversight. We've seen in our constitutional history and the judge push back on that very very hard. But one point is wanna make and I think we've all kind used to the Trump administration being a family affair and the Trump campaign before it, of course, but it is a big deal for the son of a president to not just go up initially and testify voluntarily, but more importantly to be subpoenaed by a Republican chairman of the intelligence committee, and if you take a step back and look at it it, obviously means and meant that Richard Burr that Republican chairman really meant business, and he wasn't going to give up again. We don't know exactly the content of the questions that he's going to get. But the fact that he did that that in a bipartisan way that he was successful in compelling, a presidential son to come up and answer questions about really important matters during the campaign having to do with Russia having to do with, you know, Russian the Russian intent of trying to weasel their way into the Trump campaign. Whether there was collusion or not is a really big. Deal. And it's also an effort by bird to protect the Senate as an institution. He is in a unique position to do that as chairman and someone who is not running for reelection right in places elsewhere in that chamber where people like Lindsey Graham, he spoke to reporters this morning, and he prefaced his comments about letting go further investigations by saying, I'm the Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee. That's how he framed his decision to move on from the Muller investigation bird decided not to do that. And it's because there has been for a long time in Washington. This idea that the Senate, and that congress is a Coequal branch of government. They have to protect the fact that when people come before them they are supposed to tell the truth. And if that didn't happen in the case of Don juniors testimony that needs to be cleared up and letting it go I think would do some real damage in the institution. Also a little bit of a demonstration project for future. Ingraham's? I don't know that Richard Burr. Anticipated getting quite this level of pushback. And so I do think that the pressure campaign launched against Bert, including his own Senate colleagues Senate Republicans turning against him to criticize him publicly. I do think that's a message that's going to be received by other Senate chairman who might also be inclined to one of our running for reelection may have political aspirations that they need to think about it. Let's get one fact about Burr he has gotten a lot of praise for running this committee investigation in a bipartisan way, but what was one new fact in the report it was that Burr after the gang of eight was briefed went to the White House and gave them a readout on that on that briefing. So a lot of people were surprised by burgling back channel to the White House on some very sensitive issues Bergen, justifiably I think was criticized for that. And perhaps that went into his thinking here in playing a little bit of hardball with Don, jR, reasserting some independence from the White House chairman says. He doesn't recollect. He doesn't remember doing that? But it was very sensitive point that you correctly point out in the Muller report. The fact that he's a private citizen. Donald Trump junior. Not a former White House official or current White House official or a government official just a private citizen happens to be the son of the president of the United States. Does that make a difference? It shouldn't make a difference in the United States of America where we do not have a hereditary monarchy. And it doesn't matter who you're related to that. Everyone is equal before the eyes of the law. Yes, Donald Trump is just Donald Trump junior is a star regular person just like you. And I he shouldn't be entitled to special rights to some extent the extent to which we've seen both Mahler. And now congress treat the president's family with kid gloves allow them to move in and out between official White House. Roles. Just being the president's children running his campaign running his business. They have been allowed really tremendously freehand in really in ways that are corrosive of very very long standing US norms. We have a lot more. On this all of the day's breaking stories, everybody. Stick around. There's much more coming up, including a new round of ultimatum from Kim. Jon moons North Korean cluding, the return of the seas cargo ship and visit by US basketball starts. The cases we gotta find who wrote this note, we do that. We find the killer. This science defined out. Police used Luminol a chemical which glows when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood that drama, but where was the rifle, and which man was telling the truth for renchik files. The legendary true crime show is now a podcast. Join investigators as they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools. Subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes every Monday and Thursday, you'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix. Breaking news. Donald Trump junior is just made a deal to come testify before the Senate intelligence committee of much more than that coming up in a few minutes. Also, North Korea is making new demands on the United States. Brian Todd is here in the situation room. He's digging into the late breaking developments. What are you learning wolf? Once again, Kim Jong Hoon tonight is showing his swagger even with US led sanctions putting enormous pressure on his regime. The dictator is telling the US it has to return a sanctions busting cargo vessel. And he's put other brazen requests on the table. With his dialogue with President Trump over nuclear weapons, all but stalled North Korea's aggressive young leader is again, issuing ultimatums tonight, Kim Jong UN's foreign ministry is demanding that America return a North Korean cargo ship, which the US seized last week and took to American Samoa. The North Koreans call the seizure of violent violation of international law, which breaks the spirit of what Kim and President Trump negotiated in Singapore last year and Pyongyang says the regime will quote, keep a sharp eye out to see how America response as with any criminal family. The issue is always going to be what did you do that was wrong note? What did I do that was wrong the ship in question? Ironically, named the wise honest was dubbed a sanctions BUSTER by top US law enforcement official on Thursday. It was I intercepted by Indonesia's navy last year. US officials say it was illegally shipping coal out of North Korea and heavy machinery into the country because the dictator is getting. More desperate for cash. Teas made a lot of promises. He's building theme parks. He's in fourteen more or luxury vehicles in contravention at the sanctions, stay Fateh track record in the case of Syria in the middle of the last decade of being willing to an sell a nuclear weapons program to a state sponsor of terrorism. It's something that I think keeping people up at night. How desperate is Kim's economy? North Korea's trade with China has taken a nosedive in the last year official figures show leaving the regime to turn to dangerous smuggling operations like ship to ship transfers on the high seas seeking the return of the cargo ship is not the only way Kim's regime has tried to pressure the Trump administration. According to a recent report by ABC, Kim Jong UN requested that the US send famous basketball players to North Korea as a way to normalize relations ABC citing US officials says the request was made in writing before the failed summit in Hanoi in February. And that the North Koreans insisted it be included in a joint statement on denuclearization. Former NBA star Dennis Rodman has traveled to North Korea. Several times on his own staging exhibition games for the basketball. Crazy North Korean leader, presenting Kim with samples of Rodman's brand of vodka. Even once serenading the dictator. At B bird day to one analyst says basketball diplomacy could work to soften tensions, but hopes shouldn't be raised too high. The issue here is going to be if we go in with expectations that somehow this opens the door to denuclearization, crater fools. We the North Koreans are not going to denuclearize because you got, you know, LeBron James to come and play analysts are now worried that we may be at a point where Kim Jong UN is so desperate to get President Trump's personal attention again so keen to get back to those face to face meetings that Kim may ratchet up the tension even to more dangerous levels than we've seen in the past couple of weeks that we could soon see a long range missile or a nuclear bomb test wolf, it would be pretty scary has that North Korean cargo ship. Brian been taken into custody because of the stalled negotiations with Kim Jong will the US attorney for the southern district of New York, which issued the seizure warrant for. That ship says the seizure had nothing to do with the deterioration of nuclear talks. And he says it had nothing to do with North Korea's tests of those short range missiles last week, but you have to think that the timing of that seizure warrant just a couple of days after those missile tests that raises a lot of questions does Brian. Thank you very much. Brian Todd reporting coming up, the breaking news. Donald Trump junior reaches a deal with the Senate intelligence committee here behind closed doors. A source says the interview will be limited to just a few hours and a handful of topics. The house intelligence committee is now investigating the role lawyers tied to the president played in Michael Collins, false testimony to congress will President Trump's lawyers cooperate. Are you interested in learning how great companies grow? Download the Marceca podcast. 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Schiff: Intelligence Committee to release impeachment report to public tomorrow

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

46:03 min | 8 months ago

Schiff: Intelligence Committee to release impeachment report to public tomorrow

"Now it's time for the last word with Lawrence of Donald Racial and in the interest of planning your day. I spoke to chairmanship in the hallway on my way on my way racing into this room and the one thing I wanted to know is what time tomorrow. What time tomorrow tell me that he no? He wouldn't so the answer answer was tomorrow so I narrowed it down to tomorrow. Yes I asked him. How long is it? And he said it's long like hey different. Yeah well and I one group that I just want people to think about tonight after we all had our to varying degrees as relaxing Thanksgiving and time off or the staff the staff of the House Intelligence Committee who I guarantee you were lucky. Okay if they were able to get a bite of anything on Thanksgiving Day that staff has been working basically twenty four hours a day in any lay in order to right a document which is going to be very substantial very long document It's an amazing feat to put together. Chairmanship told me that not only were the staff involved in this but he and some other members were also deeply involved throughout that this last week and it's difficult it's a difficult thing for them to do is difficult thing for them to do working around family schedules that we all had last week and so I just want that one note. Okay thank you to them for the job that they've been doing that that they have taken an oath to do and they can't even have you get that relief when you finish a project even if it's been killing you to get it done finally least it's done in this case. One of the things I just talked to chairmanship about is the fact that they consider this to be an open and ongoing investigation allegation they will continue to collect evidence and to send out subpoenas and to talk to witnesses and they will continue to add to and potentially put out subsequent reports as they get more information on this so obviously they've put their putting what they believed to be the bulk of their findings. But this'll be a rolling process from here on out. So you know no rest for the wicked Rachel as I was listening to your interview with chairmanship when he got to his emphasis about President Trump's obstruction of justice obstruction. One of Congress. It really sounded like he certainly wants to see. At least at least he wants to see if there's going to be articles of impeachment an article that is specifically specifically about the obstruction that the president has brought to the Congress's investigation. Yes I think that's that is exactly my same read on it. And he he makes substantive point. I think a lot of us who've been watching this process look at sort of expressions of concern the rest objections agents from chairmanship from other members involved in this process and say yeah. You're frustrated you WANNA be getting this stuff from the White House and you're not getting it but if you spend too much time objecting to the White House not giving you stuff. You're going to get bogged down. They're going to be allowed to stonewall this thing forever they're gonNA drag this out until trump after after the election or whatever however long they wanted to go I I think we see it in a very instrumental way but what shifts articulating is saying. Listen this is about precedent this is about whether or not white houses in the future ever just direct action members of their staff to not respond to subpoenas to not hand over documents to pretend like congressional. Oversight is a real thing. Regardless of how utilitarian these objections may be in the moment. We gotta play for the long haul all right Rachel tomorrow. It's tomorrow sometime tomorrow. I know that's when we get. I'm as stay up all night. Thank you well. Lisa page speaks. That is the title of Molly. John Fasts article in the daily beast. In which former FBI lawyer Lisa page speaks publicly for the first time about her two years under public attack from the president of the united the States lose a page said that it was Donald Trump's appearance at a rally a few weeks ago that made her finally realized she had to speak doc it was the rally in which Donald Trump brought the presidency and performance art in general to a new low when he according to many observers servers including Lisa page publicly onstage into the microphone faked an orgasm. I will leave it to you to judge exactly what Donald Trump was doing in that piece of video which we will show you at the end of this hour when Molly John Fast joins us with her exclusive exclusive report on Lisa pages description of being endlessly attacked by the president of the United States. Lisa page says quote. It's sickening and she she said it's like being punched in the Gut. We begin tonight with these steadily progressing impeachment investigation of the President of the United States and the president's stunning decision to refuse to defend himself a decision. No other president under investigation has ever made the decision to simply not defend himself. Now if you were under investigation and you had information to prove your innocence. Would you withhold that information. Would you not allow witnesses to testify. Who could help prove your innocence? That's what Donald Trump wants you to believe. He wants you to believe that he is innocent. And that he is withholding evidence and blocking witnesses. Mrs Who could prove that he is innocent. All you have to do is say that out loud to hear how ridiculous that the idea is but it means that so far. The president of the United States is refusing to have his lawyers participate in the first official impeachment hearing in the House Judiciary Committee this week. That strategy could easily change at any time. The president's lawyers will always be allowed to participate in the Judiciary Committee's impeachment hearings the rules of the impeachment investigation Asian allow for the full participation by the president's lawyers in the Judiciary Committee and so far the president's lawyers have nothing to say they have no defense. What's the first hearing? And the Judiciary Committee on Wednesday will be largely academic one with four law professors including one selected by the Republicans on the committee offering their views on the impeachment process as described in the constitution and as established by centuries of congressional precedent as as Chairman Adam Schiff described ratio in the last hour. The House Intelligence Committee had access tonight to review chairmanships report of the committee's findings concerning president trump's request to the president of Ukraine to invite to investigate Joe Biden chairmanship. Told Rachel that the report court will become public sometime tomorrow in the intelligence committee will meet at the end of the day tomorrow at six PM to vote on approving the report and then sending it it to the House Judiciary Committee where it can then be considered as the basis for possible articles of impeachment. The House leadership announced tonight that they would cape the House of Representatives in session and additional week in December. That means that the House representatives will not recess for the Christmas holiday until as late as December December twentieth. And that might mean that. The House Judiciary Committee will use the first three weeks of December to bring articles of impeachment to vote. Vote in the house. Judiciary Committee leading off our discussion. Tonight Jill wine banks former Assistant Watergate special prosecutor. MSNBC legal analyst and John Holliman National Affairs analyst for NBC News and MSNBC. He is the editor in chief of the recount. A John just heard from chairmanship in the last hour saying the report what is ready it is written. It's ready to go It'll be released tomorrow. We'll all have it at this hour tomorrow night The Democrats are meet a moving with all Deliberate speed exactly as Nancy. Pelosi said they would at the beginning of this process. What let's be clear Lawrence? I think what we have learned over the course of the last year but specifically in the last two months is that the two crucial players in the House of Representatives on this matter are Nancy. Listen Adam Schiff both of whom made a political judgment for for a long time that they did not want to proceed with impeachment until it became absolutely necessary for matters related to question precedent for questions of what they would allow to stand and in because they thought the politics were tolerable to go forward. They are still calling the tune and this big question that has hovered over once we ended. Once we get through Thanksgiving which was and. I don't think there was much question because Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff were clear on it was would they let this thing drag would they. Would they give up all deliberate speed. Would they try to pursue the courts. Getting John Bolton other witnesses to come in it was clear I think for weeks. It's been clear that they would not do that. Will had had this boat done by Christmas and they are still sticking to that throughout and if you WanNa see what's GonNa happen over the course of the next few weeks watch those two. We have something that chairmanships manship said in the last hour. I think the control room hasn't ready about where they are in this investigation and Why they are not GonNa wait around at this point to gather other more evidence? Let's see if we have that you get to a point in an investigation where you can tell. It is going to be a long time before you get the next valuable valuable. Increment of Information Jill on banks. I assume you've been there as a prosecutor where you have a case you know. There's more evidence wouldn't be gathered but you're looking at the calendar year looking at how long it will take you're looking at other factors and you say let's make our move now absolutely lutely. I started as an organized crime prosecutor. I could have investigated for the rest of my life. Any one of the crime families and I would have kept getting bad. ADD information every single day but at some point you say enough is sufficient. I have enough to make a case and it's important that I take these people oh out of circulation and I have to act now and I think that was a very wise choice on the part of the House right now and I would also say that although there is obviously a lot more that could be gained by the witnesses who have refused to testify and I believe the courts will say they have to testify in the meantime it is perfectly legitimate people in their everyday lives. Do this and courts allow it. You can say you can draw an adverse. I inference from the fact that they have failed to come forward. And that's enough between all the evidence that we have and the adverse inference from the fact that they have not what brought forward anyone if the president had something that would exculpate him he would have presented that evidence. There is none. That's the problem. Let's listen to what what a California Republican Carson. Tom McClintock said about the president not participating in the Judiciary Committee hearing. I think it would be to the pres- interest advantage to have his attorneys there. That is his right But I can also understand how he is upset at the illegitimate process that we saw unfold in the the intelligence committee. So you think they should bring in lawyers. I think it's disadvantage. Yes and the reason. I showed that Tom McClintock. McClintock is one of those formerly formerly reasonable conservative Republican members of Congress and you can get to a point in this discussion with him where he has to admit yes. There's something a little strange strange about not defending yourself. Of course something more than a little strange. There's something a completely unprecedented you pointed out earlier and and it's in some strange not strange not strange in the sense that if there was a case to be made on the facts not only with the warriors we present but these other witnesses who were just discussing the Boltons the world of the world the part of the world would be coming forward he would the president would free all the fact that this is to come forward if they had facts that would help exculpate him he does not and so so in some sense. It's really strange. Another another level at the most rational thing. The president's doing agilis reminds me of of what I used to hear. Criminal Defense lawyers say when I was hanging around courthouses in earlier life When they had somebody who was let's just say a very difficult defendant to represent and the question that all Alaska each other is? Can you put your guy on the stand. And when they couldn't put their witness there defendant on the stand. It meant that really. There wasn't a very strong defence to remade from the witness. Stand and this kind of feels like that. This feels like one of those cases. Where a word like well? What defense do you expect us to present? We don't really have of one so the president is making a lot of noise about the process attacking the process and claiming. There's no point in offering defense in this process. But what defense would there be to offer. There is no defense and what they have said in the minority report which is completely outrageous. -rageous is they just simply say. There is no evidence to support the accusations but they don't present any evidence that says there is a defense to those and and it's sort of like if I went into a bank and I wrote a check on my own bank account and cash the check and then I pulled out a gun and set to the teller and now give me we all the money in the vault. The fact that I did a legal transaction by withdrawing from my own account does not legalize the fact that I pulled out a gun and rob the bank and the same thing is true right now in terms of this. They're saying well. The president was concerned about Ukraine's corruption. Well if he was he never let anybody anybody know but even if he was it wouldn't excuse the fact that he withheld the money and put in danger our national security and that of Ukraine Unai ally by doing that and he helped only one person himself and Putin so I guess he helped to people. It's not just one and that makes exit illegal. It makes it criminal and people have to understand the danger that this poses to our democracy and to the twenty twenty election and that even though the election election is less than a year away. We can't wait that long. We need to protect our election and I think unfortunately he has pushed into the Democratic Democrat Party to the point where they had no choice but to bring impeachment join bags John Holliman. Thank you both for starting us off tonight and when we come back the president of Ukraine speaks. He has submitted to an interview with Time magazine. One of the interviewers who was there in the interview with presence Alinsky will join us. It's already December and as much as we love getting getting seasonal. This month can be a little stressful to. We've all got a long list of things to do before the holidays. If Life Insurance is one of the things way down on on your list policy genius able to help you cross it off. 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And how could it affect the twenty twenty election. Will every Monday Wednesday and Friday I talked to. NBC News reporters to answer these questions and more on article two inside impeachment. It's an NBC NBC. News podcast host breakdown. What matters what's next and what it means for our country search now wherever you're listening to this podcast to subscribe for free? Thanks for listening I don't trust anyone at all. That is in the headline time magazines report by our next x Guest Simon Schuster on an interview with presence Alinsky of Ukraine presence. alinsky complained about president trump blocking aid to Ukraine saying quote. If you're our strategic partner then you can't go blocking anything for us. When presidents Alinsky was asked directly about the connection between military aid from in the United States and the trump demand for investigations presidents Alinsky said quote? Look I never talked to the president from the position of a quid pro. Oh quote. That's not my thing. I don't want us to look like beggars but you have to understand. We're at war if you're our strategic partner than you can't go blocking anything for us. I think that's just about fairness it's not about a quid pro quo. It just goes without saying joining us now is Simon. Schuster correspondent respondent for Time magazine covering Europe Russia and Ukraine. He joins us by phone from the Ukrainian capital where he has been reporting about the impeachment inquiry also so joining us former. US Ambassador to Russia during the Obama. Administration Michael mcfaul he is an MSNBC national security analysts. and Mr Schuster ah in your interview with President as Alinsky a what was your sense of what he was willing to say and what he was not willing to say say about his interactions with the president trump. Did you sense the limitations about what he was willing to answer about that. Yes most definitely. They were The purpose of the interview It was not at all to talk about impeachment or quid pro quos or any any of the other things related to the impeachment angry. He wanted to talk about his ongoing war against Pro Russian forces in eastern Ukraine and most most importantly About the upcoming peace talks that he has next week with President Vladimir Putin of Russia when it came to impeachment related plated issues and and other issues that are Stirring up such a storm of scandal in the United States. He was very hesitant. And you have to keep that in mind as you you as you read the quote that you just read out You know even for him to step out and say something like that. That critical of the united the State's policy towards Ukraine is quite a risk for him. He is still extremely dependent on the United States for support for financial support and Perhaps even more importantly for for political support as he heads into these negotiations with Putin and as we said in the headline of the interview. That you right out. He feels all alone So it's extremely important for him to be cautious You know the situation with his dependence on the United States has not changed and Embezzled mcfaul even with that dependence. That Mr Schuster was just talking about and I think that we're all very aware of Prisons Alinsky did not say ED President trump did nothing wrong but of course donald trump characterized the interview as presidents. Alinsky saying he said President Trump did absolutely nothing wrong. That is the trump summary of this interview. That's not what this interview says that's right. That's why I read the interview the three times to see if there's any evidence to support what president trump said there was non-performing congratulate. Simon is a great interview a really interesting interview to get an insight into the way presidents alinsky thinks and as he goes into these negotiations. I think it's really important for Americans to understand that he is at war with Russia. He's is trying to get a ceasefire in boss. This is the utmost importance in previous administration and in previous times we supported the Ukrainians one one hundred percent and yet you have not heard a single word of support for presidents Alinsky from President Trump as he goes into these very crucial negotiations. I just think it's very important for people understand. There are big national security concerns underway here and we are talking very little about it including the president anthem self. He almost never mentions it another complaint. The Prisons Lewinsky has in the interview with time. Magazine and with Simon Schuster is Donald Trump talking about corruption and Ukraine. And of course let's remember. It's the only corruption in the world that Donald Trump has ever talked about and presence Alinsky says one on America says for instance that Ukraine is corrupt country. That is the hardest of signals. It might seem like an easy thing to say that combination of words Ukraine is a corrupt country. Just to say it. And that's it but it doesn't end there. Everyone hears that signal. INVESTMENTS BANKS STAKEHOLDERS COMPANIES AMERICAN EUROPEAN COMPANIES that have international capital in Ukraine. That's a signal to them that says be careful. Don't invest or get out of there. That is a hard signal and the Mr Schuster. It's the kind of signal that Vladimir Putin must be very very happy. The president trump is sending about Ukraine. I think Vladimir Putin has has made that quite clear in his statements About two weeks ago when he says that If I'm remembering correctly thank God God that now no one in the US is accusing Russia of meddling in the two thousand sixteen elections There now accusing Ukraine and I think the same thing goes for The constant conversation about corruption in Ukraine You know that that is a much better narrative for the US media and US political figures to be focused based on issues like US aggression against Ukraine or US continued for. It's to to to forever to meddle in the US elections. So of course I think this You know goes along with what Putin said that. This is very positive development in for from Russia's Che's perspective It's it's quite negative development from Ukraine's perspective. It's very painful. And and the quote that you just read is the point where I think presidents Alinsky became most Upset and spoke most emotionally most freely and You know really wanted to get the message across that it is doing harm For for US officials including the US president to constantly be banging the drum drum about Endemic corruption and Ukraine. He admitted during the interview. Yes Ukraine has a major problem with corruption. But the way that it's been framed a- as as this sort of all encompassing problem within Ukrainian society and Ukrainian politics The president trump was somehow trying to root out by By freezing aid this summer and fall you know. He says that that really hurts the country. It hurts him and it prevents the country from Attracting the kind of foreign support that it needs to defend itself against Russia and ambassador. mcfaul this is the kind of the thing. Of course that any ambassador to Ukraine would tell the president not to say For specifically these reasons exactly the and Lawrence. I'm really glad you underscored that passage. I found it to be the most powerful remembered so Linski was elected president because he was an anti-corruption option candidate. People need to understand that this was the moment they were going to throw out all the corrupt people. That's why he won and so right as he enters to do that. That brings in one of the youngest governments all of Europe brand new people. The president of the United States is saying wait a minute. I'm going to withhold aid as a fight corruption corruption. That's exactly the wrong signal. And most Americans now associate Ukraine with the word corruption. That's not in Ukraine's interested. It's not in America's interest the bathroom. Michael mcfaul Simon Schuster of Time magazine. Thank you both very much for joining us and I really appreciate it. Thank you and when we come back. Republican presidential she'll candidate Bill Weld will join us. He worked as a lawyer in the impeachment investigation of President Richard Nixon and he is running against against Donald Trump for the Republican presidential nomination. Bill well joins US next the meet the press. Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. The twenty twenty election in more can conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things things we usually discuss off camera. Listen for free. Wherever you get your podcast two presidents have survived impeachment investigations but no president has ever survived a stronger than expected? Challenge in the New Hampshire primary and nine hundred sixty eight president Lyndon Johnson. Won The new Hampshire primary but Democratic senator. Eugene McCarthy's stronger than expected second-place showing meant the beginning of the end of the Johnson reelection in campaign president. George H W Bush won the New Hampshire primary at the beginning of his re-election campaign but Pat Buchanan's strong second-place he's finished was an accurate forecaster of how vulnerable President Bush would be in the general election against Bill Clinton now Massachusetts Former Governor Bill Weld is challenging Donald Trump in the Republican presidential primary. It'd be latest New Hampshire. Primary poll shows bill wells rising to fourteen percent percent against Donald Trump. So how scared is Donald Trump of bill weld well team trump has convinced Republicans in some states to just cancel Hansel. Their presidential primaries and other states are blocking Republican candidates from getting their names on the Republican presidential primary ballots joining us now is bill weld former Republican governor of Massachusetts who is running for the Republican presidential nomination against President Trump during Watergate. He was a council on the house. Judiciary Committee on the Republican staff. Things are operating very differently with both the Republican staff and the Republican members Of the impeachment investigation. Now what is your reaction to what you're saying In the way the Republicans are approaching this investigation and the president. I don't really oh I think they have any evidence. They're saying there is no evidence but that's not an argument. It's a it's a conclusion and I would call it a legal conclusion but it's bereft of any legal support the narrow saying these these are nameless faceless of faceless bureaucrats hurling these accusations last time. I looked Gordon Son. WHO's a mega donor to trump? And a political appointee not buried everybody through everybody under the bus Ie perhaps shouldn't use that phrase but he was very clear. We all did this because the president directed us to do it. Yeah there was a quid pro. Quo What what has happened to the Republican Party since the time you were working on the staff of the impeachment investigation on the Republican side and where we are today well. That was a different era. I'm so sorry to say. And it was a fiercely fought and Jim. Saint Clair representing representing president. Nixon fought for the right for cross examination and Albert Jenner and and John Door on the other side said well. We don't want to give you too much too much nose under the tent. But it was no contested fairly evenly wound up being ten Republicans going against the President and seven Seven going going the other way around ten going for him at ten going against the the Republicans issued a kind of document tonight establishing their position position. And it's basically what you just said. They don't argue the others. They don't get into details of evidence they simply say this. The evidence does not establish that president in trump pressured Ukraine to investigate BARISTA Holdings Vice President Joe Biden Hundred Biden or Ukrainian influence in the twenty sixteen election for the purpose of benefiting fitting him in the twenty twenty election. So there's some saying it doesn't establish what the Democrats July twenty fifth transcript which had twelve witnesses. This is to it. Establishes that beyond any doubt who was confirmed by a number of live witnesses and there was no rebuttal so the evidence does establish that that and saying doesn't really doesn't advanced inquiry very much. You're a former federal prosecutor former. US Attorney in Boston evidence like that is the the kind of evidence that you were always. I assume trying to find I know this is a slam dunk case a really just as ten obstruction action articles against in the Mullahs report against President Trump. You never see evidence of obstruction like that. Someone the ringleader ordering people to Destroy Roy evidence and file false documents and commit perjury. I've never seen that an obstruction case. And I've presided over quite a few. Please stay with US across. Ross this commercial break I want to pick up exactly there When we come back? We're right back with Bill Weld for a Massachusetts Governor. Bill Weld is back with us. And you're a former federal prosecutor. You started off working on the impeachment. Investigation Asian of President Richard Nixon on the Republican staff in the house given your experience in these issues. What do you make this unprecedented decision by this president to send his lawyers up to the Judiciary Committee hearing well? He's taken the position that they can't investigate him period. There's never have been in a position like that advanced in court by any president in history of the United States Flies in the face of the division of powers between Article One and article too. It's it's beyond beyond comprehension. How someone could argue that as a legal matter so if you had your original Washington job back and you were working on the staff of the Judiciary Committee a now? Would you see articles of impeachment taking shape. Oh there are three potential articles that just scream out number one would be the Ukraine green matters. Which is extortion bribery of a foreign power seeking them to interfere in internal affairs and presidential election and one in which the president was a candidate? The date and that also involves the use of the president's office to try to advances personal gain. Those are the two things the framers were most worried about foreign interference parents and corruption of the office to be the ten examples of obstruction of justice in above Muller report which one thousand federal prosecutors signed documents saying thing. It's among the most clear and convincing overwhelming cases of obstruction of justice that they've ever seen and three could be just like Nixon obstruction of Congress Congress and obstruction of justice by by refusing to play the role that article assigns to the president of the United States. That's that's interfering with the proper workings of government and that's quintessentially what the impeachment and removal power is aimed at. They better come up with something else by way of defence If and when when this thing goes to the Senate or there's going to be much to talk about but what but what do you make of a Republican Senate in which so far. The no defense ONS is an adequate defense for Republican senators. Well it's no defense at all. And you know I. I don't know whether Chief Justice Roberts who presides over that the trial would have something to say about that but there's a common misunderstanding here. People seem to think that the Senate controls all those proceedings to house appoints managed managed to come and conduct the proceedings as prosecutors on behalf of the house so if everyone throws up their hands and says we don't know what you're talking about that's just not very impressive performance the we're hearing from Republican senators now parroting This case that Vladimir Putin makes mix which is that Ukraine attacked our election. Russia did not attack our election. And now you have Republican senators saying well they both did you know. Russia did but Ukraine Ukraine. Did it just as badly They seem this seems to be. Many people have said. This is actually in service to Vladimir Putin wants people to be saying in in this country and Republican senators are saying so far as aware. US intelligence services did not undercover evidence. That Ukraine was interfering. The election quite the contrary Russia was so this again is Putin storyline. And it's part of what the president's done by insulting NATO trying to undercut it and basically siding fighting with Russian in Crimea and you know withholding the Javelin missile funds from Ukraine. So the Russian tanks could continue to roll across the border and fire with impunity It's it's all part and parcel of Pro Russia Tilton. Yes Mr Putin must be delighted when you talk to Republican voters in in New Hampshire and elsewhere about this particular issue about the Ukraine. A phone call about what the evidence they've seen are. Are they defensive offensive of the President or are you finding Republican voters who are bothered by by what they're seeing the pre. They don't WanNa talk about the details. They're just so sick of it all over the country. People people are just exhausted. But I will say when I was in a parade in Concord New Hampshire Maybe ten days ago people were coming into the middle of the parade route grabbing being me and saying get this guy out of their. That's their view Massachusetts Governor Bill. Well thank you very much for joining us and so today it was Georgia who decided no republicans on the presidential primary ballot. They're fixing for Donald Trump and Georgia right and it just keeps happening that way. Yeah I can't wait to see how how all that pans out. One State is trying to keep us off the ballot now after having cashed our check fifteen thousand dollars to get on the ballot. You're facing challenges. No one's ever face before on this. Thank you very much for joining us and when we come back former FBI lawyer. Lisa page is finally speaking taking out about being attacked endlessly by the president of the United States. She describes those attacks in emotional terms exclusively back to Mali John Fast in an interview in the daily Beast Molly Jong fast will join us next. Here's something no one in. The trump family has ever thought four said from very early on. I knew I wanted to work for the government and make the world a better place. Lisa Page said that in her very first public comments about her years of being attacked by the President President of the United States former FBI lawyer Lisa page broke her public silence with our next guest. Molly Jong Fast in that interview. Lisa Page said something but no one has ever said about any president of the United States until now honestly his demeaning demeaning fake orgasm was really the straw that broke the camel's back. This is what Lisa page was referring into. Lisa page water group. She's going to win ten million to one. She's going to win. I'm telling you I'm telling you Peter she's GonNa win. Aw I I love you Peter. I love you too Lisa Little Lisa Lisa. God I love Your Lisa. And that's that's the moment. The changed everything for Lisa. Page according to modeling showing fasts report in the daily beast. She said I had stayed quiet for years hoping it would fade away but instead it got worse it had been so hard not to defend myself to let people who hate me control the narrative I decided to take my the power back and joining us now. Is Molly John Fast. Whose article in the daily beast is entitled? Lisa page speaks molly. Thank very much for joining us. It's an extraordinary piece. We've been wondering about this woman for years as the president attacks her on a daily basis And here she is finally telling us not only how she felt about it but why she came out that moment at the just an October when the vulgarity and chief does something that we've never seen before it was an amazing moment to sit with her two weeks later and to hear. I heard. Tell me that that was the thing that made our decided she was going like to take it back and it was. I mean I felt very honor to get to be part of that moment and just for the for the record for the audience her offense against Donald Trump is that she was in two thousand sixteen during the presidential campaign watching the most incompetent least informed presidential candidate in history She watched him with fear like most of Americans and like most Americans. She didn't want him to be president. And she privately communicated that with others and texts of that private private communication eventually became public including private communication with her then with a former lover of hers at the FBI. They had a right to that private communication communication they had a right to the personal view. The Donald Trump should not be president would be a bad president they were completely right about that And Donald Trump Pez attacked her and others as if they had no right to ever think that he would be a bad press. One the only possible law that they could have broken would be the Hatch Hatch Act and they didn't break the Hatch Act but ironically Kellyanne conway breaks the hatch out all the time so they're always like obsessed with so you know saying that people are doing the things that they're actually doing is publicly advocating for client which government workers can't do right she did not do and then the issue becomes was her judgment in any of the elements involving the investigation of the Russian interference in our election. Election was any of her judgment colored by the fact that she didn't want Donald Trump be president and we have found absolutely. No evidence has been totally exonerated. I mean it's such such and we know that this December I report is going to exonerate her further. Because we've seen that and leaks. The question is really like. Why did the president? Why were these text ex-ministers leaked and how does the President News women to distract? You know how does he get his base. All ginned up with misogyny to distract from the things he's doing that are sort of areas and we see it again and again and again it almost seems like he would have to invent a Lisa the page if he didn't have one Christine Blassie four or a review. Banovic it's just as continual women that he finds to Ooh to abuse and you see and your reporting indicates that for Donald Trump. There's extra fuel in this one. It's a woman the attack. Yeah and I think this Weird Sexual Angle Light. The Lover Lisa page but yeah he gets much more involved in the narrative. Wanted to women and you see it just. I am always shocked and like we saw with each gene carol. I wrote about her and it was same kind of thing where she just. He just went after her. And he's you know he's you know I mean this is my favorite trump thing he does. I mean no disrespect right and then. He says horrendously disrespectful Spain's long but this right it doesn't that doesn't negate the disrespect. And would you find the. Who is this woman? Lisa Eh you spend time with. He's amazing she's completely self made she's was one of the only women. She was the only woman in her. Doj Honors course like. She's just a very extraordinary smart woman. And you know Andy McCabe Archie. was you know he really trusted with everything. And she's a very lawyerly and the stuff you know. She speaks an really great person. The daily beast has the peace. He's got the story. It is such an honor to have you here. I have been following your thinking and your writing and your tweeting for years and years and years. Great to have you here appreciate ebb and when we come back for teen year old Megi fondue gets. Tonight's last work survived black Friday and made it through another cyber Monday. 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What to expect when public hearings begin

Can He Do That?

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What to expect when public hearings begin

"Another week of the impeachment inquiry into president. Trump wraps up here are some new developments to keep you up to speed on Thursday. The Washington Post reported that house. Republicans publican's have anew plan for has shield president trump from impeachment to instead. Focus on three deputies. That's US embassador to the European Union. Gordon's Omlund inland. Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani and acting White House. Chief of Staff Mick. Mulvaney who House Republicans say could have acted on their own to influence Ukraine policy. All three of these men occupy a special place in the Ukraine narrative as the people in most direct contact with trump also Thursday a lawyer for the whistleblower who's complained ultimately led the house or opening an impeachment inquiry sent a cease and desist letter to trump in that letter to the White House. The lawyer demanded that trump stop calling calling for the publication of the whistle blowers identity and the lawyer alleged that trump's quote reckless and dangerous comments have already intimidated his client and on on Friday mick. Mulvaney defied a subpoena from house investigators and skipped scheduled closed door. Deposition Mulvaney defiance comes as Democrats released even more more transcripts from previous depositions and plan to hold public hearings next week now. Next week's public impeachment inquiry hearings led by the House Intelligence Intelligence Committee mark the beginning of the next phase in this process. But what exactly does this next phase look like. How long will it last? And when might the inquiry agree to wrap up. We'll walk you through the next few weeks potentially months so you know what to watch for as public hearings unfold. This is. Can he do that. A podcast that explores the powers and limitations of the American presidency and what happens when branches of government collided. I'm Alison Michael's we again caught up with Congress reporter. Mike Bonus our resident expert on congressional process to understand where we're headed moving forward forward. I asked Mike to explain the extent of house. Lawmakers investigative efforts thus far. We know that they've been holding closed-door hearings but how else have investigators been collecting evidence. They requested documents from various parts of the trump administration. None of those requests have been granted so far there actually have been some court rulings wings on foia requests made by reporters ordering the Department of turnover documents that have been granted so they may get documents humint through the public domain which is kind of a little twist but they have requested documentary evidence. Basically anyone in the trump administration who even if they have cooperated you come for the interviews has not brought any documents with them because they've all turned them all over to the executive departments and they're basically adhering to the White House No cooperation position at this point. How much do they already know versus? How much are they hoping to learn from the public hearings? I think that Democrats feel they know an awful a lot. I think that they have the general sketch of what happened. Pretty well corroborated what they're trying to do is get as much corroboration nation for that as much evidence as many people who were president in the room and personally familiar with the events in question the record testifying and that's really what this process has been about safar all right so before we get into the details of what we'll see. The process moves forward. I WanNa talk about one notable. Sign that the Democrats are trying to move through this quickly. Tell me how the Democrats approach to issuing subpoenas for witnesses has changed in recent days and what that reflects about their undesired. Timeline in this one was that they actually withdrew a subpoena. They had subpoenaed Charles Kuperman. who was a deputy national security adviser? Basically he was brought on as John Bolton's deputy at the NFC he's described as having some knowledge of the conversations inside the White House. Democrats wanted to talk to him. They gave gave a request for him to come in. Subpoenaed him commend responded by going to court and saying listen on one hand. I'm being subpoenaed by Congress on the other hand. The White House is telling me not to cooperate. I am turning to you. Federal Judge to tell me what to do and in the eyes of Congress. This is not where they wanted to be. They did not want judges judges getting involved because just move slow. In the best case. Scenario a district judge in a case like this is going to take several weeks to several month to make an initial ruling. And that's not the time. Line that Democrats want to be on right now so they did something interesting this week. They withdrew subpoena hoping to Moot Cooperman's lawsuit and basically said we'RE NOT GONNA play your game of getting roped into the courts so basically basically the houses position as this is a duly authorized subpoena. You have to follow it. You can't just go cry to federal judge if you don't like it but it also means means you know I. It's basically calling a bluff is what it is and it's basically saying if you don't want to testify fine but make no mistake you are in contravention of a subpoena. You're in our is breaking the law and the sort of trump card here no pun intended. Is that if this goes to an impeachment human trial Cooperman or any other witness could be summoned in that trial and I think that in case of the whole judicial process sort of becomes is less of a factor was put it that way. Why is it so important to Democrats to move quickly? They're a little gun shy from what happened earlier this year. Where in the course of investigating the the president's alleged of obstruction of justice and other matters they sought testimony from among other things? The White House counsel Don mcgann. Numerous people were involved in various episodes in the early trump administration where they believe. The President committed various defenses and basically they got stonewall and they ended up going to court and you know in particular mcgann case which is the farthest along. It's been in in court now for three four months and they haven't gotten a ruling yet. That may come in the next couple of weeks. But then you're talking about appeals to the DC circuit they lose it the DC circuit you're talking about another appeal to the full DC circuit than possibly Supreme Court Challenge. You're talking months and months of appeals. And if you're Democrats you believe that the president is committed very serious potentially high crimes and misdemeanors that you know. This needs to move fast. If he's in in fact done these things and then there's an imperative to sort of create the accountability for that in real time. Obviously give the president due process but also don't let him him and his associates engaging dilatory tactics to try and do away things perhaps get get through to the two thousand twenty election along the lines of not delaying. At this point. We know for sure that there will be three public testimonies next week. William Taylor George Ken on Wednesday and then Marie Ivanovich on Friday. That's week one will. Will there likely be additional public monies in week two. I think it's likely an nothing has been planned out more than a week ahead of time. I think that that's a healthy healthy thing to remember for this process going forward. Nothing is set in stone. The most anything is planned ahead of time is going to be a week or so that said there are some some sort of informal guideposts that people are keeping an eye on. The holidays are important. You know you've got Thanksgiving coming up. The House is going to be back next week for two weeks before they break for Thanksgiving so that's sort of seen internally and the Democratic leadership as this is going to be our public hearing portion of this investigation. We're going to show these people who are at the center of this episode involving the US in Ukraine. And they're gonNA in their own words what they saw and I think they're gonNA take these two weeks. Put these witnesses in front of cameras. Haven't tell their stories has intelligence committee me holding the house. Intelligence Committee will hold these hearings. We know of three witnesses. So far there I I think there's a wide broad pretty broad expectation that there could be more. We don't know exactly who we have some. You know educated guesses but most likely it's going to be people that have already testified behind closed doors but it's not it's not that's not necessarily true. Okay so we'll have these two to three weeks of public hearings from house Intel. Will there be any action over. That thanksgiving break sort of what happens after Intel wraps these up a hard to tell so in the rules that the house adopted for this they sort of sketch out a two phase a scenario where there's the public hearing investigation phase then the House intelligence committee basically all its evidence you know makes its findings and then that's forwarded to the House Judiciary Committee which actually writes the articles of impeachment. So I think that it's reasonable to assume that if you look at these next hugh weeks. Is that investigation window that we thanks giving might be where behind closed doors the intelligence committee Right it's report get its findings together other and prepare to forward this to the judiciary committee. And then the judiciary committee might have the ball so to speak after Thanksgiving and that report court. That's delivered to the Judiciary Committee. What goes in? It is a list of articles of impeachment specifically our list of suggested articles for the Judiciary Committee. It's not entirely clear. Basically the what it is. It's going to be a report of findings and say this is what we found. This is the account. This is the evidence. There's probably GonNa be some suggestions of what could be considered entered a serious offense but it's going to be up to the judiciary committee it actually write the articles. Well we see that report. Is it something that's made public. Almost certainly yeah I. I think there's a tiny chance. There may be some redacted classified portions but very little of what we've seen so far has been redacted and I don't think that it's Waikele that there would be big parts of this that wouldn't be subject to public inspection. Did you just share committee will then have this report. And what do they do between getting this report and writing former articles of impeachment to be voted on. Well that's an interesting question. There's a lot more precedent for in the house. Judiciary Committee with regards to impeachments Schmidt's than there is with the House Intelligence Committee. The House Intelligence Committee has not really been involved in an impeachment before. It's only really existed for. Are you know thirty. Forty years the judiciary committee however has done this before and basically they're going to have to do a number number of things they have to do a legal analysis of what constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors which is constitutionally grounds for impeachment. That's happened in every impeachment so far and typically that's a fairly lengthy involved legal document and involve some significant legal analysis that has to be done under the rules that the committee has adopted that the House actually adopted for the committee last week the president gets a certain amount of due process. His lawyers have a right to be president. Any proceedings seatings to make suggestions about additional evidence to suggest witnesses to be interviewed all that remains at the discretion of the chairman. Norman but have no doubt that trump is going to have some input or try and present his case when it comes to the judiciary committee that could slow slu things down. I mean th th this could go from a rapid fire process the one that gets I'M GONNA ground to a halt but it has a potential to slow down Significantly unless Democrats take a very hard line stance and overrule basically anything that Republicans want and and they're gonna be hard pressed to do that. Because they want to maintain the perception that this is a fair process and to the extent that they overrule witnesses that the Republicans want that the president wants Refuse to take evidence that Republicans suggest that's going to harm them in that regard when we talk about proceedings or bringing in witnesses. What exactly is the Judiciary Committee doing? Are they holding public hearings. Are they deliberating. Are they just working together to form a legal analysis or these things we can watch as the public or or what exactly is happening. Some of them are some of them will be public. There will be at least one meeting for they. Would you know so to speak. Mark Articles of impeachment where there would be introduced I and members would be able to weigh in potentially amend them. That's the bare minimum but in prior impeachments. You've you've had more than that. In the case of the Clinton impeachment you had a two day set of hearings rings. Now they had a number of witnesses they were mostly legal wego in historical witnesses. These are people who are testifying to the Wego in historical context taxed of that particular impeachment. They did not hear from fact witnesses who are talking about the circumstances in question they heard from Ken Starr who was independent prosecutor at the time independent counsel who had basically investigated all of the facts at issue in the Clinton impeachment but they didn't go back and interview anybody else who was involved in that. So there's a question whether the judiciary committee would go and interview fact witnesses in addition to doing the same sort of historical and we goal cool context type witnesses that we could potentially see a few weeks of public hearings in the Intel Committee than a few weeks of these deliberations and perhaps expert witnesses in in the judiciary committee. Then we have draft articles of impeachment. When would we have those according to this kind of potential and all? There's a lot of you know hope that this happens in the the this whole judiciary committee process plays out in the weeks between Thanksgiving and Christmas help from Democrat reporters. Starters yeah I think everybody actually Republicans to I think everybody is. You know quietly wants this here to this particular time wine in but the people who are actually in charge of this process have an interest in maintaining the perception that nothing has been preordained. And that this is you know they're gonNA follow the facts and this could take A few weeks it could take a few months but I think that there is a political imperative if not a sort of Wiegel aw and historical imperative to get this done within a reasonable timeframe because the longer it goes I think the thinking goes is that the west the American people people is going to pay attention. Stay tuned into it and it's also the longer you go. The more sort of loses its punch in SORTA gives oxygen oxygen to Republicans who say that the aimed at just railroading the president. So I think that there's just this general feeling that that's been expressed and for my conversations with House Democrats and AIDS that there is sort of informal timeline of trying to get this done in the house by by Christmas. Assuming there's some sort of before Christmas at that point if trump is not in beached in the house which is unlikely. But if he's not what happens does everything just kind of go back to normal. Is that it normal normal interesting word to use the impeachment proceedings end. Is that the end of the house. Dozen dozen adopt articles of impeachment pitchmen than. That's that I should add that you know. After the Judiciary Committee approves articles it would go to the floor and there would be four you know and that could be a week back in itself. You'd have probably several days of debate in the Halcyon impeachment on the four so add another week for that then when we're looking at the beginning getting a potential senate trial. We're talking about January. Yeah I think generally speaking I think people who have their fingers crossed that there would always be gentleman's gentleman's agreement to to not start this over once back from the holidays. I just want to address one possible ranch. This whole time line simultaneously. The House has to pass a spending bill or spending spending bills to prevent the government from shutting down. Can you explain how these timelines might converge. Boy Oh boy so quiet in Congress. That's right so currently the government is being funded under continuing resolution basically a piece of temporary funding legislation that expires on November twenty-first. So basically they have to do something before November twenty first right now. There's pretty good consensus that they're not going to be able to pass actual appropriations legislation. So they're going to need another extension question is when does add extension Goto. There's right now. There's sort of a difference of opinion whether it should be just do it into December baby. Maybe that you know Thursday or Friday before Christmas or do you do it longer. Give more time for the impeachment process to play out and the CERTA to different schools. Also thought there are one is like you're never gonNA get any real appropriations deal done as long as impeachments hanging out there. The other is you need this Holiday deadline to force any actual action on appropriations. Because if it goes into next year people are just going to throw their hands up and give up and depending on on. How impeachment goes? The White House may refuse to engage in just want a year long funding extension of last year's levels which really nobody in Congress wants. That's they're all trying to avoid but there's a scenario where you could see impeachment becoming so messy and divisive that it just ends up there so they're trying to work that out right now Out figure out whether they want to go short term a little longer term on that extension if the government shuts down though. Can the president be impeached. During that time it has the congress required to stop those preceding Yes the president could be a impeached So members of themselves get paid regardless. There's a question about about staff that whether they would get paid or not during a shutdown. They probably wouldn't get paid but congress would probably make up their back pay at a later date. It's a scenario that's being worked on right now. But if the president is laboring under the assumption that shutting down the government is going to stop his impeachment. Like he's just completely mistaken. Could government shutdown have political implications for trump that would relate back to the impeachment process. That's a tricky question. I mean I think he knows the last shutdown was not positive for him that he did see his approval ratings tank. I don't think that you know shutting down the government amid impeachment. It's hard to see how that would play differently. But you know crazier things have happened. Haven't that well speaking of crazy things so so as we look at this timeline in the next month or two. What's the thing that stands out to you? John Bolton John Bolton going testify I think that he's he's like the mystery man man and all this so the whole we talked about the Charles Cooperman lawsuit bolden was believed is believed to be similarly situated. which is that that? He's not necessarily against testifying but he wants a judge to clear the way for his testimony. And we'll still be weighing in on the Kupperman case given that the subpoenaed been retracted. So far yes because the judge in that case said this week that he's not going to close the case because it's going to be up to government Obermann 'cause he filed a lawsuit and he could very well decide that even though the subpoenas been withdrawn. I still want Some guidance here because perhaps in the future I might be this may come up again. That's possible in the next few weeks. We will have an answer to whether or not John Bolton will testify right and then another thing. We're watching there is Don mcgann case that I mentioned earlier. We're expecting a ruling in that baby sometime this month sometime next month and that could be you know there. There is some speculation author. That alone could provide enough covered Bolton that he might consider testifying all right. Well I imagine if we get conclusions in those cases we will ask you come back on the show Mike. Thank you so much for joining us my pleasure as you. You just heard this episode covered. What's likely to happen in the next few weeks as the house? Portion of the impeachment inquiry wraps up. If you WANNA know what a Senate trial might look like go back and listen to our October. Tober eighteenth episode where we outlined it in detail. 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Enjoy the show. I remember stay safe. Stay healthy and keep laughing view. Hello and welcome to the daily beans for Wednesday. The Twenty Second Twenty Twenty today the Senate Intelligence Committee drops its fourth report on the Russia. Probe and it's not good for dear leader seven Wisconsin voters test positive for corona virus the. Va Study shows. Hydroxy chloroquine is not effective and is in fact dangerous. Small businesses sue big banks over the PAYCHECK. Protection Program is a new deal is reached in Congress. Trump Holtz immigration governor. Larry Hogan throw shade. Is Bill Bar Threatens Governors with criminal action and a boatload of good news? I'm your host Aga with me. Today is Jordan Cockburn Lou. How are you I am well I'm so well actually. One of our listeners was incredibly kind and offer to give me their nintendo switch that they don't use that much anymore and I had a fun day of I went to nothing cakes and grab like a little thing is just a small. Thank you gift. Because they wouldn't take any money and it was just like a fun little day of errands and went to his house and Lake exchanged it on the doorstep without seeing each other like in quarantine fashion. But it was really. It was a super super nice and I was a yeah. I was telling him it's going to be fun. Corentin memory like mission. Impossible thing awesome. Awesome Yeah my animal. Crossing is doing well. I just put a fourth room second story on my house. We've got a campsite K. K. Might come and play a concert. I've got a visitor and I've just invited them to live on the island. I build a little house for him. I'm really excited about. Where am I island is headed so very very exciting and the Bug Guy? Was there today dude? You can make bank off the bug guy. So flick is is is their name Do you have to buy the game separately or can you buy it is there? Is there like an Internet connection to your Swish? So you can buy and download it onto the system yet. I downloaded it onto the system. Who Love that Helen. I'm I'm GonNa get me a fucking house in some animals with some crossings. Now you start with a tent. Oh God yeah you gotTa work your way up okay. But it's fast. It's really fast. So everyone everyone starts out experiencing homelessness. That's how the game starts set bleak. Yeah pretty much. It's like castaway and then you just it's like what's that Mitch Hedberg joke. I was lost in the woods but I said fuck it while bill the house. Now I live here nice and also today. Muller is back in the news for all the haters who were like. Oh you still have muller podcast. Yeah he's back in the news. Today I'll be discussing it with the man that used to brief muller on the daily on a daily basis when Muller was director of the FBI. David priests was the daily Briefer for for the CIA. And I'm GonNa talk to him a little bit a little bit about this new Senate Intelligence Committee report that came out and then of course in a few days on Friday. We have our annual annual our weekly cocktail hour right like our live. I don't know what do you call it? Quarantine it's like a conference call but with booze. I enjoy it and I think this week. I'm going to play some songs. So that's fun if you're into if you're into music They're short songs. They're good songs their songs. You know everyone can sing along. And it's not going to be the whole time. I'm not gonNA like totally Bogart the entire session with music. So it's not going to be like the me show but I haven't know I had to cut my nails off yesterday. I just can't maintain them myself. And and it's it's more hygienic to have them shorter short and I haven't been able to play guitar with with the fingernails so now I'm like I want to play so I think we're going to make a music sort of theme so maybe like dresses your favorite song or something like that. We'll think of it and we'll send out the link and the theme on Friday To our patrons so that's that's all the sort of housekeeping stuff I have. How's everything Jordan going going at your apartment? Today it's going great Yeah let's see nothing. Nothing really new to report. Today yesterday was a fun day. We built a fort and watched sword in the stone and the animated one yes. They animated won the Super Old one Yeah yeah that was cool. What else. I don't think they've made a live action because that'd be weird. No they have not. That would be very difficult graphics. Wise like all the scenes where they're constantly morphing in different animals and shit. They've probably will now though. Yeah they're really going double dipping on all of their previous accomplishments. Aren't they yeah? They sure are all right. Well we do have a lot of news to get to as you can tell by the incher there. So why don't we jump into it? Hit the hot notes. Hot All right Jordan. What do you have for us today? For Goal Abe Lock for hot notes. Yes so I just have a couple stories that are centered around corona virus. Some of them. More centered around the economic fallout of the pandemic and others more directly Co vid related news but my first story. It's coming out of Italy so Prime Minister Giuseppi. Kante is that how you say that C. O. N. T. E. I imagine Joseph Kante County okay. He said Tuesday that is today that the Italy's likely to begin easing their lockdown measures from May fourth and he promises that he's GonNa move very cautiously but may fourth is just around the bend and this is really scary to pretty much. The entire southern half of the country which largely is the reason why a lot of people felt so desperately. You know that Italy needed to go into that. Locked down in the first place was because the north was much more equipped and still not equipped enough obviously but they were much more equipped than the southern part of Italy to handle a pandemic because north by nature is just a much more wealthy country and so the southern country is much much poorer. And now there's all these fears that if they start to reopen and they don't do it very wisely not only are they going to be right back where they were. When Italy was still in the position where they didn't have enough gear. They were having to literally. Just let people die in hallways. They had to pick and choose. Who is getting ventilators? And who wasn't? It's just a complete nightmare. They're really afraid that that whole situation is gonNA play itself out in southern Italy now which has a healthcare system that is way way less equipped than the northern Healthcare System. So that that's a very cautious story right now. Everyone's kind of going to be looking at how that goes. I think very closely and I think you know just with. There's there's a trend in a lot of these stories today which is a trend that people are starting to talk about more as they should and I think over time history is going to prove that it is the most important angle almost to analyze this pandemic through Which is that people that are poor are the ones that are having the hardest time with this communities that are underserved and just don't have the resources are getting hit so hard and so many different ways whether it be that they're co morbidity tend to be higher in general or they literally don't have the equipment to handle a pandemic in their areas and and. I think there's a lot of different ways that's playing out across the world and it is incredibly telling and I hope that looking back we can see this as a motivation to really really tried to fix all of the income inequality that exists basically in pretty much every fucking country some worse than others obviously But so one of the things. That's out this week There is a prediction that the pandemic is likely to double the number of people facing acute hunger this year. This is according to a new report from the World Food Program and they've they've been detailing how the virus and the resulting lockdowns are going to exacerbate conditions in some of the world's poorest nations. There's about two hundred sixty. Five million people in low and middle income nations could face starvation by the end of twenty twenty. This is a doubling of the hundred and thirty five million who already faced acute food insecurity in two thousand. Nineteen of this is a program. That's part of the United Nations so kind of synonymous with studies by the UN essentially and most of the countries of the worst food crises in Africa and the UN said on Monday that global donors had only pledged a quarter of the two billion dollars. It needs to respond to the challenges brought by the pandemic. So this is the sort of you know I. It was like all right. We gotta stay on top of the disease as much as we can literally stop people from dying as much as possible but very quickly. Now there are all these other factors that are being incredibly affected by the pandemic and this is one of them. It's it's really scary and I really hope to see a lot of people with all the fucking money stepping up and putting it towards solving these kinds of issues because there's already people that live paycheck to paycheck and as its article mentions it only takes one extra blow for it to completely knock people down. It was already Hartford them to eat and now in so many parts of the world. It's literally impossible. Yeah I think somebody had said that like like a large percentage of Americans are just like one four hundred dollar emergency away from being broke So like if your if your brakes go out or you have to replace your transmission or you. Some plumbing thing happens in your house that you know Y- plumbing can cost thousands. But like you know just some four hundred dollars thing you have to come up with. It isn't in your budget. Could just rescue for a month. And now it's just exacerbated and now we've got these you know these extremely vulnerable communities that that are being hit. Hit a dish extra hard by this. I I remember Liz. Warren brought this up to in the debates when she was like well how come the only time we talk about the systematic. Racism is when we're talking about criminal justice reform it. It is touched. It is its intersection with every single issue. That happens in the United States and that her point is now being born out again with having to combat This disease in this epidemic. So I'm glad that you that you're covering that Jordan. Yeah yeah totally. It's really something that you know. I mean solving world hunger was always one of the solution. The solution was always going to require people that have money just putting it towards that problem and consistently. Many people have contributed a lot of money but obviously not nearly enough and the systems that need to be changed to make it so that to make it. So that everything Can even remotely start to get better and finally coming out of the. Uk burned. Tell Secretary Matt. Hancock said today that trials of Corona virus vaccine will begin people. This week The government is going to make to twenty four point five million dollars available to an Oxford University team to accelerate the work of getting that virus tested. And it's it's He said at a news conference that a successful outcome was far from guaranteed because vaccine development was more or less just a matter of trial and error but he added that it would normally have taken two years to get to the point that they're at now so that is exciting in something worth celebrating. He also announced funding to support Vaccine Development at Imperial College London and said that the government would invest in expanding manufacturing capacity to produce any successful vaccine on a large scale And then professor of vaccine all Aji at the Jenner institute at Oxford University Sir Gilbert. She said she told Sky News that she hoped that up. To five hundred people would be part of the trial by the middle of me. So that's exciting. Oh good so there are in phase one that's good and then phase two is Efficacy where you you know after the safety part is over. There's the efficacy trial where you determine if you know if it's effective. I don't know why I said that like Christopher Walken determined its Effects Googly. Eyes on it wo- but yeah so that that's good news to. We've got a couple of different Trials out there. There's I know of a few vaccines that are in that in that phase. I think that we're going to need a lot. More antibody testing and immunity testing It because you know as you know. We've we've talked about some of those Preliminary test to come out that have shown A third of people develop little or no antibodies after having contracted the virus. And if that's the case of the weaker version of the virus which is the vaccine isn't going to develop Maybe might not develop enough. Antibodies in that third of the population. Either and that seems to coral. Speaking and these aren't peer reviewed yet so. I'm just speculating wildly. But if this is something that happens with younger folks than these people can continue to spread the virus carry it and spread it without being immune to it even if they're inoculated so they need to definitely do more studies on that to determine first of all if that's the case and second of all how to how to cope with that if it is in fact the case so we'll we'll see but it's it's very good news that they're in that phase so definitely all right. Well thank you. Thank you for those stories. Giordan as we have more news coming up right after this break Jordan. You'll be back with me for the good news block at the end of the show so everybody stick around after these messages would be. Hey everybody it's ag in this episode of daily is brought to you by saint box one of the biggest timewasters and one of my personal pet peeves is dealing with the constant onslaught of emails. That are not important. 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Preece about this because I have some questions So I'd like you to start out by going over a lot of this has to do with. I WanNa know sort of Rick. Grenell the new DNA who has not an ounce of intelligence experience but heads up all the agencies he recently released some previously classified footnotes from the Department of Justice Inspector General Report and this seems like an effort to convince Americans at the FBI failed to inform the fisk that some of steals dossier was. Actually Russian planted. Disinformation but this new report from the Republican led. I WANNA say Intelligence Committee says the predication for opening the rush investigation was not based on that dossier. We knew that. But hoping you go over the main points That you saw in this report. Yeah it's a it's a fascinating document. I mean I've contributed to a whole lot of intelligence Back when I was at CIA and of course briefed Muller and the Attorney General on on things like this but it's a different animal when Congressional Oversight Committee really digs into something and they'll do this on a regular basis on various aspects of intelligence operations and analysis. But when they go all in on something like this I guess the best. The best public views of that in the past have been things like the nine eleven commission which which took that to a new level or the analysis of the Iran National Intelligence Estimate about their nuclear capabilities. Because it's really hard to do anything whether it's an inspector general report or a full oversight report like this and not find mistakes left and right. Because in retrospect mistakes are clearly there were all human beings and almost always these reports find sometimes egregious examples of things. That could have been done better and should have been done better. What's remarkable about? This document is reading it. They have almost nothing critical to say about the way that this analysis was performed. They talk about how they had a coherent and a well constructed intelligence basis for the case of this unprecedented Russian interference. They talk about the analytic lines. Being solid based on all source information and relying in some cases heavily on open source or unclassified information and in one case they even highlight the fact that there were differing confidence levels on one of the analytic judgments and they say that those differing confidence levels between the CIA and the NSA were justified and properly represented so here. They look at this intelligence community assessment that was produced at the president's request. And they look at it with hindsight and say you know what they did a really good job they they reach conclusions that were sound based on the evidence they used which did not include the steele dossier and they actually put in there. Some caveats on confidence appropriately. That is they said when they were more. Sure or less. Sure about things and why that was so and when there was a fundamental disagreement between the analyst of a couple of agencies they noted that and they explained why right because trump was trying to exploit the difference between one of the intelligence agencies conclude confidence in conclusion and another. You know with these with these analysts. He was trying to exploit that. And I think he was sending. Durham after Brennan. For that sort of thing. So that's the I mean. I really like how they lay that out in this report and say here's why and why everything is still okay on. They make clear in even in the introduction. They say that the decision about how to present different confidence levels is ultimately with people like Brennan and Mike Rogers who was the head of an essay at the time. Those are the principles they get to decide how they're going to represent the views of their analysts who feel strongly about something and then ultimately in theory deny could play referee. If need be but in the introduction they say that Brennan and Rogers both independently expressed to the Senate Select Committee on intelligence that they reached the final wording about the confidence levels openly and with sufficient exchanges of views. Sure doesn't sound like somebody was pushing somebody or somebody was unhappy with that it. It sounds like a typical analytic process at that level. Nothing unusual there. Yeah so not only. Does this report obviously undercut trump's hoax claims But all all the previous three volumes did that too but it also sorta heads bar off at the pass with his investigation into the investigation. Doesn't it it sure does now that said there are some areas that the committee said would have been Nice if you would have actually done this this and this and bar could try to use that although I gotta say none of them relate to the core intelligent conclusions that were reached in the document. There are things like the I say the ICS or the intelligence community assessment did not actually answer all of the presidential tasking. It did not give detailed reporting on Russian interference in two thousand eight and two thousand twelve. It's simply referred to the fact that this was this was different than those but it didn't do a full reanalysis of those. It also says that open source collection could have been done better in some ways. But I gotTa Tell Ya. That's that's not a lot of material for a bar or a Durham to work with if they want to try to find a wedge the judgments in this intelligence community assessment being wrong or being politicized. There's no evidence of it. In fact they interviewed all believe but if not all most of the analysts involved in preparing this from the various agencies and the committee heard consistently that the analysts were under no politically motivated pressure to reach any specific conclusions. They all said that they were free to debate to object to the content and assess confidence levels to basically do their job as analysts with no pressure whatsoever. That's going to be pretty hard to to find the opposite of that when it appears they were all in agreement on those points and how sad that we have to second guess that because of the nature of what this administration is doing and saying And that's why I mean one of the reasons it's important that the that the intelligence committee gives credence to our intelligence community is because of the you know the consistent degrading comments by by trump and his his people. But here's something interesting. This report also discusses Russia's current efforts and concluded they are continuing to interfere in our elections and elections and other countries. And why is that important? Why I don't see why they wouldn't. I mean if you put yourself in the position of the Russians generally or Vladimir Putin in particular which is an exercise a lot of intelligence analysts do based on the information. They're getting based on the inputs. They're getting carrots and sticks from both foreign and domestic actors. How do you think they would behave? And based on what they and President Putin in particular have seen in the last few years. Why would they not keep interfering? There's been no significant punishment. There's been no significant pushback and if anything. There's been encouragement of some of the societal divisions that they continue to exploit with just about every time the president tweets or speaks up at a news conference. So I'm not surprised at all that there is some evidence of that continuing and I'm not surprised at all that the Senate Select Committee on intelligence would call it out because they've they've been clear about these things before they've actually done a relatively good job about staying focused on what Russia is doing. How they're doing it why they're doing it in. Perhaps the least partisan way of any committee in Congress in recent history. That doesn't say that they've been perfect. There's been some things. They haven't investigated. I think that senator from North Carolina has some serious questions to answer about other things but when it comes to the way he's worked with John Warner on this committee. They seem to be the ones who are making sure that they represent what the intelligence community is finding in a way that is not biased or spun inappropriately and before. I let you go here and because this is the part I got to this part in this report that where I got really excited and by the way if if you had told me a few years ago that getting really excited about speaking to somebody who who used to be with the CIA about upcoming counterintelligence investigation reports. I would have not believed you are standards have changed but this is really exciting to me. In this fourth volume is a mention of the fifth volume. Which will focus on the counter intelligence aspects of the Russia investigation? That's expected to nearly a thousand pages. I'm sure most of it will be redacted. But it's in the editing stages. Can you remind us first of all how that counterintelligence investigation was conducted in parallel with? Muller's investigation. And what you think we can expect not the content but sort of how counterintelligence investigations draw conclusions or. Not You know. Try to help their during the investigation. And I think you and I probably talked about this. At the time is most of US assumed that Muller was investigating the Russian interference in the election and that he was conducting a counterintelligence investigation after all as a former director of the FBI he oversaw every counter intelligence investigation. He was well placed to do that all right because the FBI comes out you with all the tools in their arsenal when they do an investigation. They don't just say we're just going to look at the criminal parts and not the Counterintelligence parts they come out with the with their full their full arsenal absolutely and on this issue. It makes it makes total sense to do. That would've would have not made sense if there was not a counterintelligence angle to this it would have been just illogical so many of us just assumed that. Muller was essentially running this this two headed monster and then using each side to inform the other what we found out I believe with Muller report itself was that that's not exactly how it worked. Yes he had a team of personnel seconded from the Department of Justice. Fbi ETC. To help him on the court investigation but there was in fact a team of FBI employees who were processing information that was relevant to counter intelligence and then essentially taking that back to FBI headquarters to work on the counterintelligence investigation. That's an important difference because it means that Muller did not have the mantle to do a full counterintelligence investigation which would be very difficult given the magnitude of this within reason if he had the right personnel but made actually made sense for the FBI to still be doing that. Because the issue of having a special counsel the the core issue of that was about the Russian interference and political pushback on investigating. That was not necessarily about the counterintelligence case. Which is necessarily compartment and much much more so we have the counterintelligence investigation that was going on and now we have the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence evaluating that investigation now. I don't know what they're going to come out with. I don't think they're going to try to do a full counterintelligence investigation of their own because they committee in Congress does not have the same tools of the executive branch agency to do that but to evaluate. The counterintelligence program is one of the core oversight functions in doing so. It's GonNa be fascinating to see what they come up with because counterintelligence investigations are even more than normal analysis in intelligence counterintelligence investigations are dealing with things that are obscure at best often unknown sometimes unknowable and yet they have to reach judgments on. Are we going to put surveillance on somebody? Are we going to use this tool in our tool kit? A lot of judgement calls have to be made based on not only incomplete information but often contradictory information. They're very hard to do. In a way that stands up to scrutiny perfectly. We certainly saw that with the Carter page situation which separate from this in most ways but certainly related in terms of what happens in a process where human beings are involved in this case. The Faisal process was working much less well than any of US thought. It'll be interesting to see how much they focus on the fisa cases in how much they focus on. Ci Overall based on the four volumes. We've seen so far. I I got to say I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. It looks like they are doing this in a very professional way. Not because they're giving us answers we'd like but because they're actually looking at it as a real time product saying what could we have expected at the time and then what our recommendations for what could be better if they take the same attitude towards the CI volume then? I think we're going to be in good shape to learn quite a bit and counterintelligence investigations. Don't draw conclusions about crimes Correct and my understanding. At least I think I I think You told me about this or Andy Mccabe did that. They kind of make a determination if somebody is an asset whether they're willing or unwilling and to what degree they are Sort of like how Carter page was evaluated in two thousand thirteen and we know how that all ended at least our listeners now so what what what sort of. I mean not that. This won't all BE BEHIND REDACTION BARS ANYWAY. But do you think they would draw any kind of conclusion like that about any of the trump campaign folks are trump himself? I don't think so and it certainly wouldn't be In the open it would be redacted because almost certainly the information that would lead to that judgment is so highly classified it would be very difficult to to reveal that but I don't think that's the purpose anyway. I mean. Listen the purpose of counterintelligence investigation. Yeah Zandi would would tell you or anyone who's worked in the area. It's fundamentally different than an intelligence assessment intelligence assessment is here is a national security related issue that the president or the attorney general or the secretary of state anyone down to a desk officer at the Treasury Department. Someone involved in policy-making wants to know what do we think is going on? Based on the best information in assessment we can create an so analysts put together their assessment. Did Russia interfere in the election? Does China have this? Kind of nuclear weapon. Is Kim Jong Hoon alive or dead? And then you give that input to the policymakers and the policy makers take that incorporate that if they wish into their policy decision and then go forward and try to make better policy that that's the assessment side counterintelligence is not about that counterintelligence usually assessments. Don't even go to. To policymakers outside of law enforcement. Occasionally the president will be brought into a very significant counterintelligence investigation like Aldridge James being discovered as a spy for the Russians inside. Cia couple of decades ago but normally that doesn't happen normally a CIA investigation is designed to try to uncover at the maximum whether someone is a an asset of a foreign intelligence service that is somebody is working to violate the national security of the United States by giving information or access to a at the extreme a hostile power. Well in that case it. It's not about forming an analytic judgment about what Vladimir Putin's going to do in Europe next year. It's about trying to decide whether we need to arrest a spy. Fundamentally different you're still using good tradecraft you're still using all sources you can collect but by necessity. It has to be very highly compartment. Had because you're asking questions that if those questions got out that person would have a clue they were being investigated and you would lose evidence so it's a very different kind of investigation one. That's hard to go back and look at it in detail with the same with the same mental framework that the investigators had at the time. Because you've learned so much as you go along in the I investigation I expect. They'll do a thorough job on it but I don't think we're going to get a list of names of actual paid assets of foreign governments in the next volume of the report. Yeah no and and even if a counterintelligence investigation concludes that the president was acting maybe maybe unknowingly to benefit a foreign hostile power. What do you do with that? Just go home. Well Okay there. What do you do with it? You can't just you know we you and I know that we've you and I've talked about that as just sort of just how it goes but yeah. I don't think we're going to see that either. So thanks for clarifying that. Thanks for answering my questions before I let you go. Can you tell people where they can find you and your book how to get rid of a President? Which is an incredible book by the way? Oh sure I'm the Chief Operating Officer at Law Fair. So you'll you'll see the outcome of a lot of people's work coming from l'affaire blog dot com where we're covering a lot of these issues My books are the president's book of secrets about how intelligence is briefed to senior officials. And as you mentioned how to get rid of president all the ways. The presidents have left office or could be kicked out of office in our country. I'm on twitter at David Priests Pr. I E E as well thanks again for joining us and you and your family stay safe to thanks. Ag ALL RIGHT COMING UP. Next is good news block so stay with. Us everybody that's AG. This portion of daily beans is brought to you by magic spoon. Growing up. Cereal was one of the best parts. 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I don't know if anyone wants to be let him on a little secret here but We actually just record the bids back to back. Then I have. Don't tell the magic of time travel. We have been able to bring you this show in different segments again. It's very memento you're gonNA love it Before we get to our listener good news and our our Cova Confessions are quarantined. Confessions I've a few bits of good news for you Jordan. That you'RE GONNA love. Thank you first. This breaking this is breaking. The National Institute of Health is recommending against doctors using a combination of hydroxy chloroquine and his death from Mason for the treatment of cove nineteen patients because of potential toxicities quote. The combination was associated with qt sees prolongation in patients with covert nineteen so Real quick cutesie prolongation basically increases the risk of sudden cardiac death. So this flies in the fucking face of the orange face man and his Ukraine Clown Posse. Who's been relentlessly pushing this miracle cure to either profit from it personally or or just to get trump reelected. We haven't we don't know for sure but there for for John. Solomon and and Rudy Giuliani and Dr Phil Doctors. Fill and OZ and trump and all of his cronies to try to push this drug so hard. It's just very weird that they're doing that and as for using Hydro Heidrick. When alone the National Institute of Health Panel says there is insufficient clinical data to recommend for Oregon State no data insufficient data? There's data is insufficient and other good news. San Diego Police Department has said of the Flu Klux Klan rallies. Which I've heard them called which I love a quote while no citations were issued. At the protests that does not mean prosecution will not be sought especially to the organizers of the events. And that's from the San Diego Sheriff's department and we had like a hundred protesters here in San Diego Having a rally and Finally finally the Centers for Disease Control is expanding the public health workforce by adding six hundred and fifty new jobs to the existing six hundred positions at state health departments around the country to assist with the upcoming massive needs of testing contact tracing and prevention of new outbreaks of C- of covert nineteen. So that's very cool so probably the these jobs for the CDC OB UP ON USA. Jobs and Jordan. I was like I'm so tempted to get one of these jobs. That could easily get one of these jobs. I have a public health degree. I've worked in Public Health for twelve years government etc. But I don't like have I have. I not yet learned my lesson in working for the government under the under this administration. Yeah not yet and also do I have enough to do already and isn't my job really to to bring you know to to to hang out with Jordan and bring you all the news. That's important with swears right. I mean I think so but really that's a you call. You know I know I just have this thing eve. You've answered the call of duty once before I guess. Now it's up to you. If you WANNA do again. They would be very lucky to have you couple times answered. The collar duty for the navy entered the call of duty to work for the Va. Then I answered the call of duty to work for Denny's while I was going to college very important job and yeah but you know me. The government's like we need you help us and I'm all all I'm like. I like my Kryptonite him. Oh be of service. Ask not what your country can do. I can't get Obama. Outta my head. Jfk Anyway. I'll do my best to not to not take that job but we'll see what maybe I can do it from from. Maybe I can do it from home Yeah that's true. I wonder I mean Yeah telework in that. Kinda situation I imagine is going to continue once anything even remotely gets back to normal right. I mean if you're just doing You know data or contact tracing. It's something that you know. You just need to Seat in a computer or a standing desk you know very dusk is good Maybe yeah you know what I will probably look into it but I don't know So anyhow those are my little bits of good news. What do you have From the listenership area. Yes For Thank you for those good news is good. News is our good news from our listeners. Starts off with Vicky Vicky says I think Colorado Governor Paulus has done so well. Flattening are curve here and is using data models to make informed decisions about how to open back up. Next week we go from seventy to seventy five percent closed businesses to only sixty percent closed. He calls it the safer at home phase versus. Stay at home. This is a marathon not a sprint. All right that's progress. All right cool Next for Mark Marx's good news. I live in Milkshake Matt. Gaetz his district in a neighborhood with a lot of elderly people. So you can imagine their politics regardless. My neighborhood has come together to write letters of support and thanks to our local hospital workers as an added bonus. Everyone is mailing their letters individually which means they are using USPS and lots of stamps while we may disagree on Politics. We can all come together to thank the. Helpers and help a valuable institution like USPS excellent sweet. Love love that so sorry about your rip that. Yes yeah badly. Hopefully he'll be gone soon and that sounded a lot more ominous than I meant to but she noted next wrote. It out voted out. Hopefully he'll be voted out. See I don't I don't have any funny business in the works. He's carried away under God. If I can Mackie's I hope never mind. I was Gonna get dark there anyways. Okay next from Don keeping it light good news. I'm so happy to still. Have you ladies listen to pretty much every day? I have him boycotting most news going from being total new junkie to barely anything now so I rely on you and Matt to keep me updated recently in the good news segment. You mentioned that you can still order girl scout cookies. I wanted to further. Add that girl. Scouts suffering a bit and has had to furlough and lay off people and all the other not so fun. Things plus cookie season was cut short because of Co Vid so anything people can do to support the girl. Scouts including buying cookies is awesome. Thank you for mentioning it. They've obviously already cancelled all the girl scout camp for the summer. Which is such a bummer. As it was going to be my daughter's first time to go also you were joking about them. Having an outbreak patch on the show. And so I wanted to tell you that. At least the Washington Girl Scouts do actually have seen patches for the girls to work towards right now. They are the Great Cascadia Zombie. Survival Challenge Cova nineteen addition. We wanted to do something fun to educate them on the virus and how to prepare for natural disasters. Thanks again for the great work please. Everybody by some girl scout cookies online. How awesome I love that. That's so cool Zombie. Oh my that is such great. Thank you for that. I agree one hundred percent. I think the girl. Scouts is an incredible organization I was a girl. Scout started as as Browning worked my way up and became a camp counselor and I'm so sorry she's GonNa Miss Her for sleep away. Camp because girls scout camp was like some of the best times and We have grown. We have we have a girl scout listener member our patrons whose daughter her name's Allie and she's girl scout and she listens with her friend to well. The militia wrote podcast. I don't know if they listen to the beans or but if you do alley high and also everyone go. Go Online and buy some girl. Scout Cookies support this organization. I think they're wonderful. Yes Yeah I think Who who doesn't need cookies right now. You know Everybody needs everybody. Needs cookies go get the cookies. I love that they're doing that. The quarantine patches and there's so many like different levels of awareness that kids growing up in this time period are going to have. It's like so nuts. The different economic lessons in like public health lessons and in all of these crazy crash course lessons that people are starting to learn and just think about how impressionable you are around that age. In how wild of time this is to grow up in my heart a little kiddos an understanding mortality. And and I mean it's just it's going to be such a mature like no one's ever going to be able to tell this generation like you were handed everything you participation trophy bitch of you know like these are going to be like solid motherfucker in people and this is probably GonNa be. I think the this new generation one of the best I think so too All right next from Rebecca good news about something totally different. Sea Turtle Nests with fewer people on beaches. More sea turtles are able to lay their eggs. Some of the increase is attributed to less boat. Traffic to and Thailand. Researchers have found eleven leatherback turtle nests since November the most in twenty years in that same timeframe awesome. That's that's really cool. I saw that seaworld although I know it's very controversial organization But I I saw an article you know. They're they're San Diego's home theme park here so It's kind of hard to escape. News that relates to them. They apparently are their rescue program. When they'll release animals back into the ocean normally they have to drive super far out apparently to drop the turtles or whatever they do. Because there's like no one on the beaches they get to just release them onto the beach and so they get to. Naturally you know go on the sand and then enter into the Ocean. Like like normal which is cool. I wonder if Mitch McConnell is moved at all. By this you know let my people go thriving. When Mitchell was in Egypt's land. Let my turtles go? Yeah that'd be amazing. Turtles are like the only thing in the world he gives any shits about even remotely. He just goes home every day to his kingdom of turtles just running out on the beach with some some cars driving down the beach and he's running out on the beach like no new still up stone laying down in front of the turtles in front of the car. Do not not my family. Yes like others pictures of Birdie. Getting a rose arrested at a civil rights protests. You could probably go far back enough and see Mitch. Just like chaining himself to some turtle habitat somewhere anybody by the way of like Mitch McConnell Choking on one of those six pack rings like Oh my God yeah or a Straw plastic bag or something God so good well. That's beautiful piece of news. Rebecca and finally from Roberta Roberta says. I Made Agee's recipe for mushrooms and red wine that she mentioned on the patron livestream and they are amazing. I hid the leftovers in the back of the fridge. So I don't have to share awesome. I'm so glad it worked and I didn't leave anything out. Excellent yeah that sounds like it whenever seemingly that sounds Daley. She's actually sh. I'm GonNa make that Shit. Was there butter. I forget what was in the recipe. Again you can use butter or whatever you normally use to sauteed mushrooms and then Once the water boils off you just dump one of those tiny little bottles of wine in there and then put it on low and let it sit Madonna until it's until the mushrooms absorb all the wind. You can do that once or twice. It's delicious either way. If you do it with one little bottle of wine you'll have You can still taste the buttery flavor and if you do two bottles of wine it's mostly just the wine flavor. It's really really good. I use a CALC Cabernet. God that sounds good. I have to do that Shit. I got bottles of wine that it's hard because it's like if I open a bottle of wine I have to drink it all and I don't particularly enjoy that much wine so if I can put half of it into some Mush these. That sounds fantastic. All right. We're onto quarantine confessions everybody. This is the section where our listeners send in moments during the quarantine that are hilarious embarrassing revealing. Take your pick tweet at us at daily bean spot Our first up we have three. Lisa's three different leases says. Who's coordinating confessions? Are I is from Lisa an cleese and says I have attended meetings with the office confessional background as meeting and I'm still waiting for someone to notice and asked me why Stanley isn't a desk behind the blinds. I'm planning on switching to having the whole star Trek. The next generation crew behind me and me and the captain's chair people don't notice it soon star Trek Jit just released a bunch of zoom backgrounds for meetings so and you can do the bridge Tng or a It's awesome so funny. I love that All right next from Lisa. I ate all the chocolate all of it. My husband asked me if I ate all the chocolate and denied it with an aura of totally bummed is icy that Bobby Esque. Bombast never heard boss. I've never heard that word before. Alabama Bombay bound bamboos Bambi Bambi esque. Yeah Totally Bambi esque innocence. There we go to my now. My turtle and secret shame I then turned slowly and mutually to look at my seven year old daughter. That's fantastic writing for a quarantine confession. Take you as beautiful. Guess in the room are right next. We have a few more Lisa. M I'm a huge rupaul. Drag Race Fan have been watching a lot of old seasons lately to take my mind off everything horrible. I find that now when I when I'm playing with my dogs in the yard. I no longer use a standard good boy or girl. Words of encouragement. Now it's you better work and Yaas Queen Yell at the top of my lungs. My neighbors think I'm nuts. The dogs don't care. They just like to play. I haven't seen that show yet and I feel like I'm really really missing out on an era you are. It's it's it's amazing. Yeah I gotTA check that out next from Steph. Where all done with the Lisa's by Lisa's? Thank you froze Steph. I thought my daughter needed a mental health. Break Day so. I did her schoolwork for her and sent her out to paint the mailbox instead. Because you know why the hell not now our mailboxes. Spectacular looking and it turns out. I'm pretty good at the second grade and the second grade. It's like Billy Madison Khuda. Peo- pants yeah. Second Grade is hard second all those all. Those single digit grades are when you learn all that useless. Shit that's like I'll fucking remember any of this stuff. Maybe not second grade actually. I guess you're still learning the basics but you get to like fourth and fifth grade. That's like useless shit period. You know Second-grade was cursive. I remember learning curves of in second grade here. I learn cursive and third interesting. The expectations for to mind. Yes see you millennials. There's always this is. This is why we're like this in babying us. They bumped they're like no. They can't hit a cursive in the second grade. We'll have to push it up to third and that's when it all started now we don't. Why Burn Ashes? We require days. It's all fuck all right. Finally from Lindsey Lizzy says I get up in the morning shower and get ready for my business day by putting on Clean Gemma's nice excellent love that excellent twitch twitch Gandhi. Pj's all day. That's all I got right before I let everybody go. I do have a I do have a tiny bit of shoddy fried for everyone important. Okay so Maryland Governor Larry Hogan He. He was able to obtain. I think it was five hundred thousand masks and he did that or excuse me tests. He was able to obtain five hundred thousand tests for Cova from South Korea. But the only reason he was able to do that without the government coming in trump taken them or you know having to Outbid Fema is because his wife you me Hogan was is from there and she speaks Korean so she called her contacts in South Korea and and be able to fluently speak Korean and everyone who watches motto saw this and he was able to to obtain these masks so anyway he gets the masks. Trump gets pissed about it at one of his task force briefings which we don't even cover anymore because fuck those dudes and he's mad about it. Does he went around the system? Barb aw and he just gave gave him a hard time and then later on Trump sent us as a separate thing sent governor Hogan a list of federal labs saying that Maryland could use some of them for cove in nineteen testing and governor. Larry Hogan fucking tweeted he tweeted. I'm grateful to President Trump for sending us a list of federal labs and generously offering Maryland USA for the use of them for covert nineteen testing accessing. These federal labs will be critical for utilizing the five hundred thousand tests. We have acquired from South Korea. It's just like a revenue in his face like. Hey thanks we can use all these tests. I got that you're mad about ads. Just really really good shade. That's great one to put that out there. You can check it out. Follow governor Hogan Gov Larry Hogan on twitter check out. His tweets got one hundred and five thousand likes. It's been making the rounds. Everybody's really happy about it right. Well that's all I got any final thoughts Jordan No I don't think so. Thank you everybody for listening. And Oh if you're not watching John Krasinski. Some good news. You have to start watching. That shit weekly episodes led by the one and only Jim from the office and he is so fucking. Nice in every week. He does something so epic. Last week he threw prom for all the seniors And he had like the Jonas brothers come on perform billy Irish and her brother performed and they just it's yeah he has like such a beautiful dead heart. Yeah he does Dad Dad Dad Dad Heart. Dad Yes dad D- All right. Well thanks for that and Thank you everybody for listening. Thank you for contributing if If you are and if you can't totally understand thanks for listening helps everything helps every little bit helps And I appreciate all of you To the moon and back so everyone. Please take care of yourselves. Take her reach other. Take care of the planet and take care of your mental health. 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Senate Intel Chair Sounded Coronavirus Alarm Weeks Ago In Private Meeting

NPR's Story of the Day

04:41 min | 4 months ago

Senate Intel Chair Sounded Coronavirus Alarm Weeks Ago In Private Meeting

"In late February the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee issued a dire warning about the corona virus to a private audience. Richard burs speech raises questions. Both about what he knew back then and about whether he was frank with the public and peers. Washington investigative correspondent to Mac the secret recording on February twenty seventh about three weeks ago. President trump was saying this about corona virus. It's going to disappear one day. It's like a miracle will disappear from our shores. We've you know it could get worse before it gets better. Could maybe go away. We'll see what happens that same day. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard. Burr delivered a very different message is much more recipes tradition. Anything see probably more Kim to the ninety nine hundred pounds per was talking at a luncheon at a members only social club called the Capitol Hill Club in attendance were members of the Tar Heel circle whose membership consists of businesses and organizations in North Carolina. The State Bird represents membership in that group cost between five hundred and ten thousand dollars in tape leaked from that event. Burke came with an alarming message. Germany there's no excuse for never shared his assessments publicly. They were heard only by the dozens of invited guests who represented companies whose packs and employees donated in total six figures birds campaign back in two thousand fifteen and twenty sixteen thirteen days before the State Department began to warn against travel to Europe and fifteen days before the trump administration banned European travellers to the. Us borough warn those in the room? She in fact. Did you have to hold your trump? You may have to look at your voice and judge whether they're making Europe is essential or whether it could be done videoconference fly risk sixteen days before North Carolina. Close it schools due to the threat of corona virus per warned it could happen. I'm sure times norcal. I have transmission rate were. They say was close schools for two weeks on. It is only now three weeks later that the public is learning in earnest about how the military may be mobilized to combat the corona virus but burr invoked the prospect when talking about how the country might have to surge. It's medical capacity you military hospital. There's who tend to be so in the ground somewhere it's GonNa be decisions President Yogi Mike and we're GonNa have medical professions of can treat. People Burger has spoken about his authoring of legislation which created the modern framework for responding to pandemics but despite his longtime interest in biohazard threats is expertise on the subject and his role as chairman of the Senate. Intelligence Committee bird did not win the public one public health expert told NPR that early warnings from top officials about coming health crisis could have made a difference just a few weeks ago in the interest of public health we actually need to involve the public. That's right there in the name and being transparent being as clear as possible. is very important. That's Jason Silverstein who lectures at the Department of Global Health and Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School the type of language. That could have come out there at the end of February. Saying here's what we ought to expect. Could have you know not panicked people but got in them all together to have to all prepare on Thursday senator. Burr took to twitter and called. Npr's reporting on the matter a quote tabloid-style hit piece. He also raises cases in which other individuals not him warn the public about a possible coming krona virus health crisis. Meanwhile PROPUBLICA released a report Thursday evening showing that Burr had unloaded a substantial amount of stocks in mid February before the recent market volatility versus personal stocks worth between six hundred and twenty thousand dollars and one point seven two million dollars in thirty three separate transactions on a single day February thirteenth. According to public disclosures it was according to Propublica the most stock he sold in a single day in fourteen months asked by NPR for a comment on the senators stock sales. Burr spokesperson Caitlin Carol replied. Ll Tim Mack. Npr News Washington.

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The Deep Fake: Democracy at risk

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01:28 min | 1 year ago

The Deep Fake: Democracy at risk

"Here's the story of deep fakes also known as how the Russians are upping their electoral interference game. I'm Baratin day, Thurston from the onion, and also. You're listening to the civil liberties minute with ACLU attorney Bill Newman. The chair of the house intelligence committee has made public the fact that the Russian government appears intent on influencing the twenty twenty elections in the United States, this time, not by releasing stolen emails and other documents, but rather by releasing fake videos known as deep fakes because carefully crafted controversial fake videos are highly disruptive, and usually influential and have carefully created extremely hard to prove they're fake and nearly impossible to prove who made the video reflect on the recent fake video of house speaker Nancy Pelosi, which is known as cheap fake really low calibre and look how much currency and traction, it got imagine what a high quality, well placed defaced could do as Adam Schiff, the head of the house intelligence committee said, I cannot imagine anything more corrosive to a. A democracy than in an environment, where no one can tell. What is true anymore? You simply retreat to your tribe, and view. Everything is true or false, depending on what party or what group you belong to the civil liberties minute is made possible by the ACLU, because freedom can protect itself.

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September 26, 2019: The House Intelligence Committee questions the director of national intelligence about a whistleblower

5 Things

06:49 min | 11 months ago

September 26, 2019: The House Intelligence Committee questions the director of national intelligence about a whistleblower

"Hiring isn't easy but there is one place you can go where hiring is simple in smart that place is ziprecruiter where growing businesses connect to qualified candidates ended its try it for free at. ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash five things ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire good morning. I'm Taylor Wilson in this is five things you need to know. Thursday the twenty six September twenty one thousand nine hundred a reminder that you you can tweet us at USA Today podcast and he might get a shout out on the show to get you started the House Intelligence Committee on Thursday. We'll question the acting director of National Intelligence Agents Joseph Maguire why he prevented lawmakers from receiving a whistle blowers urgent concern about national security a complaint that appears to be related to President Donald Trump's this call would Ukrainian President Vladimir Alinsky was filed by a whistle blower on August twelve and the inspector general for the Intelligence Community Michael Atkinson founded credible but Maguire and the Justice Department at first blocked Atkinson from passing along the complain to Congress as is customary within seven days because it didn't involve an intelligence worker or intelligence agents activity under Maguire's supervision. Meanwhile president trump released a transcript of his coal with Ukraine's president on Wednesday but Democrats are still pushing for impeachment meant they argue that trump abused his power by pressuring ski to investigate his political rival former vice president Joe Biden and Democrats still say they haven't seen the full transcript the call House Speaker Nancy Pelosi we iterative our call for the release of the full transcript of the call between president trump and the cranium president and reiterate a call to protect whistleblowers from retaliation for his trump says he fully supports transparency from both himself and Joe Biden. We were going to do this anyway but I've informed them all of the House members that I fully support transparency on the so-called whistle blower information even though it was supposedly secondhand information which is sort of interesting and other things have come out about the whistled lower that are also maybe even more interesting but also insist system transparency from Joe Biden and his son hunter on the millions of dollars that have been quickly and easily taken out of Ukraine and China millions of dollars millions and millions of dollars taken out very rapidly while he was vice president and I think they should have transparency for do that stay up to date with all the way from this developing story at USA Today Dot Com. It's time for number three. The third sentencing in the Varsity Blues Collagen Login Mission Scandal is set for Thursday Stephen Semper Vivo a former executive at sid core admitted to paying four hundred thousand dollars for his son to be admitted into Georgetown University as a fake tennis recruit of the fifty two people charged in the scandal thirty five or parents and fifteen of pleaded guilty and deals with prosecutors while nineteen including actress. Laurie Laughlin Laughlin have pleaded not guilty and are preparing for trial earlier this month actress. Felicity Huffman was sentenced to fourteen days in prison long with other punishments for having someone correct answers to her daughters. Sat exam the second parents sentence was California businessman. Devon's Sloan who earlier this week received four months in prison for paying to have his son accepted at the University of Southern California as a fake water polo recruit next up Marty Brennaman. 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Bonus: The Report

Article II: Inside Impeachment

05:48 min | 8 months ago

Bonus: The Report

"Good afternoon today. We transmit The report of the work of three committees the Intelligence Committee the Oversight Committee as well as the Foreign Affairs Committee into the presence misconduct with respect to Ukraine and at the outset I want to just from NBC News. This is a special. She'll bonus episode of article two inside impeachment. I'm Steve Kornacki. Today is Tuesday December third and today the House Intelligence Committee released its report on the impeachment inquiry into president. Donald Trump. The facts here are really not seriously contested. Indeed the testimony of the witnesses is was remarkably consistent and you might be forgiven having watched the hearings if you thought that they were two different hearings going on at the same time that's intelligence committee chairman Adam Schiff addressing the press this afternoon three hundred page report is the product of more than two months of public and private testimony estimate. But I firmly believe if one party relinquish its responsibility to the constitution to their oath that does not really have us of our arbitration to the same. The report concludes two big things that the president compromised the national interests of the country to advance his personal political interests and that the president obstructed the impeachment inquiry section. One is called quote the president's misconduct. That is the public public private piece of this. The president used his public office for personal gain. This report chronicles a scheme by the president. United States to coerce an ally ally Ukraine that is at war with an adversary Russia into doing the president's Political dirty work report walks through that July ally twenty-fifth phone call the ousting of ambassador. You'RE GONNA Vich the freezing of military assistance and a mounting pressure campaign on Ukraine before quote. The President's presidents scheme was exposed. That's an entire sub section in the report that outlines the role of the whistle blower who filed a complaint back in August. That was was before the promised aid to Ukraine was finally released section to is called quote the the president's obstruction of the House of Representatives impeachment inquiry if the Congress allows a president who so fully and blanketed -Ly obstructed structure of the work of Congress even involving impeachment investigation into the presence misconduct than we are begging for more of the same. This is all about the as the committee says that the president tried to block the inquiry the Democrats big piece of evidence. Here is the October eighth letter. From White House counsel Pat Sip Baloney ants. That's when Sipalawini called the inquiry quote constitutionally invalid the report also lists all the ways the administration refused to comply with subpoenas and tried to block lock people from testifying this section on obstruction ends with a line from the constitution quote. The House of Representatives shall have these sole power of impeachment. The committee argues that the president has tried to deny Congress it's constitutional responsibility to my. GOP colleagues. They need to consider that when we have a democratic attic president. Are they willing to say in. Answer to their oversight that it president may simply refuse because if they are and and if we do it will mean that the balance of power between our branches of government will be fundamentally altered and altered for the worse most of the evidence in the the report was already out there but it does include something new call records. That confirm Rudy Giuliani. The president's personal lawyer was in contact with multiple administration administration officials during key moments of the Ukraine. Saga we'll keep watching for developments around these records as they unfold the Republicans. Got Out ahead on this one yesterday. President Trump's allies in the house released their own report on the impeachment inquiry. They continue to argue that. The inquiry is unfair in the evidence does not support impeachment. Okay so the report says the inquiry uncovered evidence of misconduct in evidence of obstruction. Now what well. Well the document will be voted on by the Intelligence Committee later tonight. A vote is expected to pass along party lines. Then the document becomes sort of a baton passing the torch from the Intelligence Committee to the Judiciary Committee which will then open. Its own hearings tomorrow and will make the decision about which articles of impeachment to bring bring against the president and so we have a very difficult decision ahead of us to make and I have every confidence that the judiciary committee in consultation with with the entire caucus and our leadership will not only receive this report as well as the reports of others and make a proper determination about whether articles of impeachment are warranted. Without a happy. They're responding. There will be a lot going on tomorrow and we will be covering it all Article two inside impeachment is produced by Isabel Angel. Max Jacobs Claire Tie Aaron Dolton Creepy Vara Thin Alison. Listen Bailey Adam to Boa and Barbara Wrap our executive producer is Ellen Franken. Steve Licht is the executive producer of audio. I'm Steve Kornacki. We'll be back on Wednesday

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Russia probe split revealed: Senate Intelligence GOP Chair and Democratic Vice Chair disagree on question of collusion, Millions hit by severe winter storms

The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer

44:31 min | 1 year ago

Russia probe split revealed: Senate Intelligence GOP Chair and Democratic Vice Chair disagree on question of collusion, Millions hit by severe winter storms

"This podcast is brought to you by book dotcom in partnership with the cantata row tourism board, book dot com. The number one site for all inclusive beach vacations. Happening now breaking news Senate probe divided the top democrat on the intelligence committee. Exposes a sharp mid rare split over the panels Russia investigation, he's publicly using the Republican chairman's claim that there's no evidence of collusion. Not doing the trick. President Trump fences is disappointed with a bipartisan deal to avoid a new shutdown that gives him even less for his wall. Then he could have gotten last year. Fast conservative skill will the president signed the measure anyway. Eight to speak. A former White House aide says Mr. Trump is trying to stop him from promoting his new tell all book about what he calls a team of vipers in the administration. Does he have a solid legal case and early and often twenty twenty hopefuls are scrambling right now to get their messages out even though it's only February of twenty nineteen tonight. Former Starbucks chief Howard Schultz answers questions about his potential and controversial independent run for the White House in an exclusive CNN town home. I'm wolf Blitzer. You're in the situation. This is CNN breaking new following breaking news on a crucial question in the Russia investigation, did the Trump campaign engage in collusion tonight. We're learning that the top members of the Senate intelligence committee are divided on that the democratic vice chairman Mark Warner is publicly rejecting statements by the pals Republican chairman Richard Burr who claimed their investigation found no evidence of collusion. Also, breaking President Trump is creating suspense and confusion about whether he'll sign a new bipartisan deal to avoid another government shutdown. He says he's not happy with the agreement. Got falls far short of his demands to fund a border wall. A White House official says the president is likely to sign the measure, but the Senate majority leader says he has not gotten any assurances of that. I'll talk with Republican congressman Chris Stewart, he's a member of the house intelligence committee and our correspondents and analysts are also standing by. I let. Go to our senior congressional correspondent mono Rajoub monitor. We're seeing a rather rare public split between the chairman and the ranking member of the Senate intelligence committee tried to keep their disagreements behind closed doors over the key issue in the Russia investigation, whether or not there was any campaign collusion coordination conspiracy between Trump campaign officials and the Russians this investigation that had been occurring between the Senate intelligence getting he's happened for about two years now, and this is one issue in which Republicans and Democrats have really tried not to draw any firm conclusions. But in the recent weeks, the Senate intelligence committee chairman Richard Burr said very clearly that he believes that the facts that they have seen has led him to make the early conclusion release at this point that there's no evidence of collusion that has sparked President Trump to react rather strongly aggressively pointing to this campaigning on this tweeting about this and that is dead. Kratz on this committee who say this investigation is still ongoing now today I had a chance to catch up with Richard Burr as other reporters did to ask him very clearly if he believes that the president has been exonerated. I'm not sure how. No factual evidence of colluding between the Trump campaign and Russia. So Mark Warner who is the vice chairman of the committee, the democrat from Virginia today making it very clear that he does not agree with the sentiment pushing back saying this respectfully I disagree. I'm not going to get into any conclusions. I've reached because my basis of this has been that I'm not gonna reach any conclusion until we finish the investigation. And we still have a number of the key witnesses to come back, and they have a number of witnesses that they have not yet spoken to. Of course. They haven't spoken to Roger stone who's facing his own legal issues an indictment, and there are also questions about how much this committee has uncovered compared to the mother investigation. These members were investigating this still wanna see what mullah's come up with look at his report Seve anything that they're missing an investigate further. So at this point some frustration you hearing from Democrats towards the Republican chairman who said he doesn't believe there's collusion. The president jumping all over that. But they say there's much more to investigate. The question is what will the ultimately find will they agreed to that central question was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia or any conspiracy that occurred in two thousand sixteen we had seen last year that kind of split dramatic partisan split on the house intelligence many. But it's extraordinarily now that it's emerging in the Senate intelligence committee mono on another sensitive issue. Senator Burr, the chairman of the Senate committee also expressed deep frustration with President Trump's former lawyer and fixture. Michael Cohen who is now delayed testifying on the hill on three separate occasions. What did Senator Bursa? Yeah, he's frustrated because Michael Collins attorney told this committee because of a medical issue that he could not appear today behind closed doors. Of course, this is one of the two committees in which Michael Cohen agree pleaded guilty to lying to about those conversations about that Trump Tower Moscow project that occurred in twenty sixteen is conversations with the president. How long they went on? For they've been eager to talk to Mcgann. Richard Burr made clear they've been asking to talk to for six months, and he was very frustrated to see on Twitter that Michael Cohen was out in a restaurant, perhaps not dealing with this medical issue that he suggested he had when's attorney said delay this hearing. I can assure you that any good will that might have existed in the committee with my corn is now gone. So the letter for six months asking for children. He's already stiffest on. Washington today because of an illness yet on Twitter in order to us having a wild night, Saturday night out in New York and five buddies didn't seem to have any physical limitations. And he was out last night. I would prefer to getting before he goes to prison. But you know. Way he's positioning itself. Not coming to the committee vote, and we may help them go to person. Well, of course, he's scheduled to go to prison next month and three committees, including Richard Burs wanna talk to him. He delayed before the house intelligence committee delayed coming in a public setting for the house oversight committee, and the chairman of that committee Elijah Cummings wolf told me that even after Michael Cohen goes to prison they are prepared to subpoena him bring him back to capital testify. So Michael Cohen under a lot of pressure Willie. Come back to Capitol Hill members demand his appearance, what will the ultimate do? We'll have to see in the coming days weeks scheduled to begin this three year prison sentence in upstate New York. On March six I will watch all of this closely motto, I want you to stand by I want to bring in our senior Justice correspondent Evan Perez of in. What are you hearing? What's behind all of Michael Collins delays? Well, now, we have had three different reasons. Why Michael Cohen is delayed test segment? Testimony on Capitol Hill wolf, the medical reason. Which is what he cited for that committee for the intelligence committee his family's safety and because of the ongoing. Muller investigation. So the the the reasons are all different. And so the question is which one is it are they all three is he simply playing a game because he was trying to get delayed his his date for him to show up in federal prison. Remember he's supposed to show up to begin serving time on March six for for for the charges that he's not pleaded guilty. So it's not clear exactly what what what what is happening here. Whether he simply is just playing a game. So that once he goes to prison, he get some time off and gets brought up to Washington to to answer questions. But it's clear that these committees want him, and they're gonna get it. Somehow he admitted lying to the committee once before one of the reasons he's going to jail. But if you lied again, he would be in further further trouble. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. If he were to have any if you would be lying to the committee. He would definitely get into into further problems and the pictures that they showed on Friday over the weekend, rather when he was having dinner there at this restaurant in New York. Eighty on the picture shows you that he doesn't seem to have any kind of medical issue, Christina Brinkley. Former fashion editor of the Wall Street Journal is the one who took that picture. And it's clear that he's not having any of the issues that he seems to be saying that he was having aren't of oven. I no you're working the story. We'll get back to you as well. Oven pres- reporting not of the president and his refusal so far to say whether he'll sign a bipartisan deal to avoid a new government shutdown. Let's go to our chief White House. Correspondent Jim Acosta. What's the latest? Jim. Well, President Trump is making it clear that he's not happy with the border delaying preventing another government shutdown, but he is sending signals that he will sign the agreement. A White House official tells me is likely to sign the deal at this point. But the question at this hour is whether the president will follow through on those signals or if the country is barreling toward another costly shut down. President Trump is bordering on a deal to keep the government from shutting down again, but he's far from pleased of not happy about it. It's not doing trick. But adding things to it. And when you add whatever I have to add it's all it's all going to happen where we're going to build a beautiful big strong wall. That's not going to let criminals, and traffickers and drug dealers and drugs into our country. It's very simple. It's very simple building a law. White House officials said the president is likely to sign the Bill that includes more than a billion dollars in new border fencing, but that's only a fraction of what the White House wanted and even less than what Democrats offered Mr. Trump in December all raising the question did the president shut the government down for nothing. I think it's what every compromise should be. It's not everything Democrats wanted it, certainly not everything Republicans wanted and certainly not everything the president wanted slumping in the polls after. Taking ownership of the last shutdown. The president made it clear that's not going to happen. This time around I accept I've always accepted, but this one I would never accept if it happens, but I don't think it's going to happen. But this would be totally other Democrats and Mr. Trump hinted at what White House officials have been previewing for days that the administration is likely to tap into other funding sources to scrape up more money for the wall than what congress is offering. We're using other methods other than this. And in addition to this we have a lot of things going. We have a lot of money in this country. And we're using some of that money is spoke percentage of that money to build the wall, which we desperately need still. The president is eager to take the fight to Democrats in twenty twenty painting them as socialists with a radical environmental agenda. It all has to do with twenty twenty and the election, but I really don't like their policy of taking away your car of taken away your airplane flights of let's hop a train to California. You're not allowed to own cows anymore. The president is still using misleading talking points continuing to spread the falsehood that a wall led to a drastic reduction in crime in El Paso. When local leaders have insisted Mr. Trump is lying. I don't care whether a mayor is Republican or democrat. They're full of crap where they say it hasn't made a big difference. President is still crying foul over the rush investigation blaming the news media, no president should ever have to go through what we've gone through in the first two years. It's a hoax. It's a disgraced. But this time Mr. Trump's attacks on the press may of pushed one of his supporters over the edge as a man in a maga- hat was spotted roughing up a photographer for the BBC everything. Okay. Just another Trump rally that's gone to the dogs. How would I look walking dog or the White House lawn with that? Sort of not I don't know. I don't feel good. Here's a little phony phony to me. Now the big question moving forward. This week is whether the president declares a national emergency to build as wall, a move that would possibly trigger legal challenges, or if the administration will simply look for other funding sources that won't get tied up in court either way, the president may not be able to find enough or you build a wall that he promised his supporters during the campaign never mind. The fact that Mexico is no longer picking up the tab and wolf we should point out, Sarah Sanders. The White House press secretary we didn't see her today. But she did release a statement about that incident where a BBC photographer was assaulted last night at the Trump rally in El Paso. She put out a statement saying that President Trump condemns all acts of violence against any individual or group of people, including members of the press. The statement goes on to say we asked that anyone attending an event do so in a peaceful and respectful manner of it wolf missing in that statement was any sign any signal whatsoever. The president is going to stop the kind of language that creates a dangerous environment for journalists something that we know about all too. Well, unfortunately, indeed. Are Democrats that the White House? Thanks very much. Joining US Republican congressman Stewart of Utah is a key member of the house intelligence committee. Congressman thanks for joining us to be with you. Let's begin with the Russia investigation. That sounds like the co chairs of the Senate intelligence committee or are now divided over a key question. Republican Richard Burs. You just heard says he hasn't seen any factual evidence of collusion the democratic vice chair Mark Warner says he disagrees. How do you see? Well, I actually don't think he does disagree. I think what he would say. If you got a moment of honesty was I haven't found any yet either. But I I think investigations not completed yet. Look, Mr. is very very clear, he doesn't see evidence. Inclusion the house found no evidence inclusion Mr. molar by his indictments has found no evidence of collusion. And I think this are Warner has found some he should share that with us. But again, I think it's not so much. He believes there's evidence of collusion as he just thinks. The investigation isn't completed yet Adam Schiff who's the chairman of your house intelligence committee. He essentially reopened the Russia probe the other day by saying that that Democrats now that they've taken control of the majority. They they now want to take very aggressive steps in seeking more evidence of financial financial transactions between the Trump organization, President Trump as a private citizen and as president with the Russians what do you think? Well, and I think it's not only President Trump they're targeted their targeting his children, you know, private citizens. And and look if we've been at this for more than two years, and I know some people have discounted the house investigation. I think that's unfortunate because it was a very very thorough very sincere effort, but put the house investigation side, the Senate is going to reach the same conclusion and probably fairly shortly. I think Mr. molar is completing his investigation by all of the signs that we can see he's close to completing that and I don't think. He's gonna find evidence of collusion. And so do the American people think it's fair to say, well, we didn't find what we wanted to find what we hope to find. But let's just keep investigating. So if we don't find evidence of Russian collusion, maybe there's something there with their finances that we could look into maybe there's something in their business dealings. I think it's kind of mentally unfair to say we're going to take any person this president or any other president and have them under investigation for the entire I four years of their presidency. I think a lot of Americans to that and say when is enough enough? And if you don't find evidence of things you were looking for when you thought it was a crime show us your evidence. Why you think there's financial crime because there should be some evidence that before you begin another two year investigation. You believe that you believe congressman Robert Muller when he completes his investigation should show all everything he found even if it doesn't eventually as you say wind up with formal collusion between the president. And the Russians. Yeah. I really do. Well, I think we've talked about this before I think it's far better for the American people. I think it's better for this president if every word of the molar investigation is provided to the American people. I hope they don't redact a single sentence a single paragraph part of the reason is I don't think they're gonna find anything there. And the second reason is if they were docked anything then the conspiracy theorists are going to go. Yeah. Yeah. But we didn't see what was in this paragraph. We don't know what that included. And I think we'll be talking about this like we did John F Kennedy for another generation. I hope the whole thing is provided to the American people. I think that's good advice for for Muller and his team as you know, the president's former attorney John Dowd, he was the attorney until last year. He doesn't think the president could have in his words pulled off an interview with the special counsel, Robert Muller without perjuring himself. What's your reaction to that? I would feel the same thing about me about a lot of people. I think feel that way. I mean, Mr Flynn certainly feels that way. A lot as you know, the vast majority of the indictments regarding this have been crimes that occurred. After the investigation began in other words crimes in talking to the FBI or the special counsel. And I'd be scared to death. I think many Americans would be scared to death being put in those circumstances that they might just say something with their memory may not be perfect. They may see something as as you know, is not one hundred percent accurate. But they didn't realize that the moment. It was not one hundred percent accurate. I think that would be any one of us would be fearful being put in those circumstances. And I think the president probably felt the same way let's turn to the latest on the shutdown negotiations. The Deadlight has been night. This Friday, should the president take the bipartisan bicameral deal that is now on the table and sign it into law. Well, I think he's going to and I'm very disappointed in in what I know about this this compromise. Although I am glad that we came to a compromise. I didn't get what we wanted on. I mean my heavens. We started out at twenty. Five billion dollars. We were requesting for border security. We're down to something like one point three. I think the president is very disappointed in that. But but I don't I don't think we look lasting the world. I want is another government shutdown. We didn't get anything out of this. We didn't accomplish anything by the president probably feels the same way. I I would maybe follow up with this wolf. And that is we have now an opportunity Republicans and Democrats to go to the American people and to justify where we were on this. And I look forward to going American people saying look we wanted to fix dreamers. For example. We wanted to give some protection Dreavers we couldn't get there. Couldn't get there. Because the Democrats wouldn't work with us on that. We only ended up with a tiny fraction of the money that we really needed for border security and why because the Democrats wouldn't give us any more than that. I think now the argument does does it go before congress any longer? I think it's gonna go to American people knew what you're going to do. I'll put some numbers up on the screen before. There was a deal that the president. Turned on December before the thirty five day government shutdown that the Democrats are willing to give him one point six billion for sixty five miles of a new wall. The president wanted five point seven billion for two hundred and thirty four miles what they reached a yesterday with this compromise one point three seven five billion for fifty five miles. Are you going to vote for well, we'll have to see it? I mean, as you know, we haven't even seen the language yet. It's still being worked, and I can't commit, but you don't want another government shutdown. Do you know, I I don't know. I don't know a single person who does honestly. And if I thought we could accomplish something by doing that, I might feel differently. But I don't think we can is this what I wanted will. Clearly, it's not would I support it. I hope that I can. And we'll wait until we see the final language was the government shutdown, which the president says he wanted was at worthless. Looking at these numbers. Well, you have to ask yourself. We displaced workers we made it difficult for a lot of people. What did we -ccomplish? And at the end of the day. We didn't accomplish anything that I can see. So it's hard to say that that was a strategy that worked congressman Chris Stewart. Thanks so much for joining us. Okay. Thank you up next. The committee that seemed the most United on the Russia probe is now apparently divided. What will the Werner versus bursts split over collusion means for the broader investigation. Now, we'll also talk more about the frustration clearly other than up on Capitol Hill after Michael Cohen delayed. Testimony three times is the angry Senator intelligence chairman threatening the president's former fixing. A book dotcom vacation includes a beautiful all inclusive beach resort with all meals, all drinks, including alcohol activities taxes. Tips all included are most popular destination for all inclusive resorts is Mexico's Caribbean coast including Cancun Riviera Maya the people food history. And of course, the beaches make this a great reason to go, and here's one more right now. Save up to seventy percent off all inclusive. Mexico vacations on book dotcom. Imagine yourself relaxing all day on the beach shore by the pool with unlimited food and drinks all included sound good. Head over to book dot com slash podcast to save up to seventy percent off your next all inclusive vacation that's book dot com slash podcast. We're following breaking news, a rare public disagreement between the top Republican and the top democrat on the Senate intelligence committee about whether their investigation has turned up evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian let's bring in our political or legal experts say I'll discuss the path ahead. Susan honesty. Senator Burs Senator Warner they for longtime. They've been working very closely together all of a sudden they're coming to different conclusions. Obviously, there's some element of sort of seeing what you wanna see here. Democrats are obviously going to want to redesign much possible into any evidence against the president and Republicans are going to want to try and minimize that. I do think that it indicates that there probably is some big new non-public piece of information that the committee's stumbled against that said, it's really odd for chairman Berta suggests that his this station, it's found no evidence to suggest collision. Of course. The investigation has found evidence to suggest collusion we've seen public evidence. Anything from the Trump Tower, meeting communicate? With Jerome Corsi. And Roger stone Paul manafort's contact story in the campaign, the president's own statements. It's what is a little bit odd to sort of hear him make this characterization of others. There's absolutely no there there. You know, one thing I do think that it gets to is ultimately, it's not going to matter what the vice chair or the chairman conclude about these facts, the value of things like the Senate report is actually coming to a commonly agreed upon set of facts rate, saying this is what we think happened and putting those out there for the public because ultimately it's going to be what the American people think that those talks alternately indicate unusual for these two senators, the chairman of the co- the vice chairman of the Senate intelligence committee to publicly disagreed because they've worked very cooperative Lee over the past year. Plus, that's right. And what a contrast right to the house side where there's been fighting and partisan bickering, the whole time the whole process, it's been a partisan process. But what this tells me wolf is that this process. This investigation on the Senate side is probably nearing its conclusion. This partnership does not need to exist. Any longer because there isn't any further factfinding. There isn't any further questioning really that the committee needs to do they're almost at the end of the line. And so now they can retreat back into their partisan corners, look at the set of facts, and maybe view them a little differently. But it is quite remarkable given how polarizing the climate is right now, given how the president has made this into a very heated issue himself that these two lawmakers have found this common ground to work together. And all the Senate intelligence committee had been operating in a way that more nonpartisan than the house intelligence committee. I think this reinforces how this was always going to end, which is that regardless of what lawmakers on Capitol Hill conclude. It's all going to come down to what is in this special counsel's report. And this is a preview of what's to come. Because to Susan's point. Everyone is going to see what they want to see in Republicans are already sort of tipping their hand that even a lot of. Evidence that we have already seen in. There is is not sufficient to suggest collusion if you even just look back to the days leading up to the Trump Tower meeting for Donald Trump junior to say, if it's what you say, I love it when he was told that there was an effort by the Russian government to help his father, and that they were willing to provide incriminating information about Hillary Clinton that at least at a minimum suggest a willingness to collude. So again when you talk about what comes after the report impeachment. This old really tells you that the battle lines have already been drawn, and it will be to Susan the point to the Americas. We'll all come down to how do you define collusion or conspiracy? And that may be in the eye of the beholder of all of the evidence because they all have the same evidence. The question is what are they conclude with that? Senator Byrd was also very upset with Michael Cohen, the president's former lawyer he was scheduled to testify today before the Senate intelligence can behind closed doors, but he did he decided they couldn't come. He cited his shoulder surgery wanted to deal with that. Listen to Senator Burr. I can assure you that any goodwill that might have existed in the committee with Mike coin has now gone. A letter for six months asking for his return. He's already stiffer stone. Washington today because of an illness yet on Twitter order while night, Saturday night out in New York with five buddies seem have any physical limitations, and he was just wanting to last night, and I've never gotten in who we have speed who we haven't speeded. I think he clearly rises to the people that I would every month that could to make sure that we got testimony. I would prefer to get any before goes to prison. But you know, the way he's positioning itself. Not coming to the committee. We we may help them go to. Brace usually pretty mild mannered. He doesn't often speak like that pretty unusual. It is and you I think seeing a Senator who likes witnesses to show up when they're scheduled to show up before I came on. And we're going to talk about this. I talked to someone close to Michael Cohen. And their argument is look he had shoulder surgery. And then he was struck with the flu he told the committee that committee came back to them and said, well, we'd like some evidence the Cohen team, then produced two letters from doctors say look you had this unfair cassettes. He's got the shoulder issues. Got the flu sorry, he's not going to be there, and they have committed to appearing before that committee in two weeks. So unless they're playing a big game here, and they're going to, you know, bowel out again, and then he's going to be prison than they can't get him. The Coen team is saying that they will. He really was sick. Yes, he was at Saturday night. But he's going to be back in front of that committee in two weeks and. Well, it's exactly show this picture around down. Take a look at this picture. We can show our viewers the picture. He's at a restaurant in New York with some friends that was tweeted by someone. So we he looks like he's he's okay. But he's scheduled to testify before the house intelligence committee, February twenty eighth also behind doors. So what you're hearing is around the same time he'll go to the Senate intelligence committee. They're saying the twenty six and then the twenty eighth so in in two weeks. He's they're saying that he is still committed to speaking before both these committees. And this was they were not trying to skip school while, you know, going to the going out to dinner, but that he was genuinely struck with the flu and recovering from shoulder to twenty six to the twenty eighth and the president will be in Vietnam for a summit with Kim Jong on the twenty seventh and the twenty eighth. It's going to be busy time at the end of the month with all of this going on March six cone is scheduled to begin a three year prison sentence in upstate New York. What do you think of that story? I think that it's interesting because Adam Schiff, the chairman of the house intelligence committee in contrast to Burr he said that as of last week Michael Cohen was still very much cooperating with respect to the postponement of his appearance before that panel. We don't know exactly what Michael Cohen is going to be able to discuss based on the terms of his agreement with Robert Muller's, certainly in a classified setting behind closed doors of members of intelligence committees. He can probably share more than he would be able to any public setting before the House Judiciary committee still no date on when he's going to make that appearance, but it's also worth noting that members of congress want to ask him about more than just the Russia factor. They want to ask him about this hush money that was paid to some of these women who allege to having an affair with the president as well as his knowledge of the Trump organization, many of the potential conflicts of interest there so whether or not they're going to actually have that opportunity remains to be seen, but he is on track tip here at the end of the month. John doe. The president is former lawyer did a podcast. That's a very interesting things to say about the president the Russia probe listened to this. In my questioning are talking to him. He questioned, you know, first question easy. Second question. Easy third question. He wasn't sure. And he doesn't like being unsure, so he'll guess there's you trap right there. It's not whether he lies not everybody wants to get into this. You know, this integrity. Visit it's not a matter of integrity. It's overload. What I was worried about is that he really couldn't do it. He couldn't do it. There's no way he could. I mean, we have to script it. In fact, I told Bob I said, why don't you just let us scripted? From the new ABC news podcast, the investigative podcast. What did you make of those comments pretty unusual for a former lawyer to be speaking about his client that bluntly? Yeah. It certainly looked it's common to just don't make any. You don't have an issue for false statements or perjury because you were mistaken about something or because you don't remember you have to you. You have a problem whenever you actually lie. I'm prosecutors can prove it more to the point. You know, Donald Trump was unsure about whether or not he'd had an affair with stormy Daniels. Donald Trump wasn't unsure whenever he said that he didn't know why Michael Cohen may or may not have paid off these women. He was lying. Right. And so the problem at hand is that we know that those are those among other things are are matters, which the Muller investigators are interested in getting answers to we know that the president has publicly lied about it. So obviously that's gonna raise concerns in the minds of his attorneys, but whether or not he's also going to lie in a context in which there are actually pretty high stakes keep in mind, the president has had over a year to prepare for these for these questions. They know exactly what was. His lawyers have been looking at all kinds of documentary evidence. If after all of that time, the president still isn't sure still can't remember the answer, then he can say, so and so I really do think that this is this is doubt expressing fear that the president who's going to perjure himself by actually lying and trying to sort of move the goal post or suggest that this is going to be some sort of trap that the president might accidentally walk it. He's treating him like he has some kind of disability that should be respected. He's basically saying the president is incapable of telling the truth, even in the seriousness of a criminal case where there's the threat of perjury, right? President of United States, generally, we would expect him to really care about that kind of process and do his best to tell the truth. Here's this lawyer ex-lawyer saying he's not able to do that. He'd answer written questions in writing as we all know. But no, no direct Q in a from from the president and the Muller team Muller. All a doubt also says something very interesting, Rebecca that Muller. He suspects in the end won't issue. A report it. All it is interesting, and you you can look at that. In the context of Comi coming out after the Hilary Clinton Email investigation and saying, you know, we didn't find anything, but then going further than that. And he received a fair bit of scrutiny for saying those things when the investigation was closed, and there was nothing there. But on the other hand with this investigation and the great national security importance also importance in the context of just having confidence in the president of the United States. That's why Democrats and Republicans have called for this report to be released. And of course, the public has also expecting this report to be released. So in this case, you could argue that there is a great public good. That is done by releasing this report. And if there's nothing in there, why would the president legal experts anxious to get your thoughts have suggestive if Muller were to conclude a we don't know what he's going to conclude. But if he were to conclude that he didn't find collusion between the president and the Russians you don't go ahead and release. Report if there's no crime or whatever their job is to decide whether or not a crime was committed that he can be charged for the report that he might send a congress about congress making a totally separate determination about impeachment inquiries. And so the evidence he might conclude that there's nothing for him to do on a prosecutor prosecution side, but still need to issue a substantive and potentially very damaging report. So congress can do its job the worst season finale since the sopranos black screen. There is no report at the end of this ios us on there may or may not be a report we'll soon because my all indications. He's getting ready to wrap things up everybody. Stick around severe weather warnings watches. Advisories are posted for about a third of the US. Population has millions cope with snow and ice. We have an updated forecast right after this. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Xeni optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Zanny dot com. With the latest trends in eyewear available in hundreds of frame styles and materials there isn't a better way to change it up for every season. Plus is any offers prescription sunglasses at incredible prices. Visit Xeni today at Xeni dot com slash CNN. That's Z E N N, I dot com slash CNN. About one third of the US population is coping with snow, freezing, rain and miserable. Weather storms. Forced thousands of commercial flights to be canceled ice prevented to military planes carrying members of congress, including the speaker Nancy Pelosi from landing in Michigan for today's funeral of the late congressman, John Dingell. Let's go to our meteorologist, Jennifer, gray, Jennifer. So what's the latest forecast? Well, if it has been a miserable day across the country for a lot of Americans. We're talking about a wintry side as well as rainy side, and you can see the winner warnings as well as winter weather advisories in effect all the way from the midwest to the northeast. Here's a look at the big picture, and you can see the snow across portions of New England as well as the mid west including Chicago, the pink and purple. That's what's creating such a huge headache that is freezing rain we have ice some sleep as well. And then we also have the rain to deal with across the southern end of this. We have seen many many flight cancellations, but not only that it has been treacherous on the roadways, especially with the freezing rain, the sleet that is causing just traveled nightmares across some of these areas. New York City right now getting some of that wintry. Mix temperatures have warmed a little bit thirty two degrees. We have already switched over to rain across some of these southern sections. And of course with those flight delays twenty four. Four hundred cancellations a lot of these have been in some of the big cities where we have more than three hour delays for a lot of these flights wolf or does Jennifer. Thank you very much. We'll check back with you. Also right now, we're counting down to what is likely to be many voters. I chanced to see and hear from the former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz, who's considering an independent bid for president in two thousand twenty c and has Jeff Zeleny is joining us from Houston. We're shows we'll be taking questions at a CNN. Presidential town hall later. Jeff, there's a long list of candidates running in twenty twenty and more who are still considering a presidential run or they're trying to make a name for themselves. This early in the race. There's no question that they're trying to make a name from themselves to introduce themselves and distinguish themselves from this large crowded field at least nine are in now, at least as many more or considering jumping in. But tonight, we will be hearing from Howard Schultz, the former CEO of Starbucks will be on stage here behind me. Our poppy Harlow will be asking questions as well. As voters here in Houston. He's going to be making the argument for why he believes that he is the right candidate for a third party bid for the White House something that has never been successful. Of course. But he is a lifelong democrat. He now is saying that the Democratic Party has left him. And he believes that it's time for a third way. Of course, many difficult roads on that. But wolf there was also another interesting event here in Texas last night, and they'll Paso, Texas juuling rally that was still on the president's mind this morning back at the White House. He was talking about Beto Aurora. The former Texas congressman who is having a rally just outside the president's rally. We certainly caught the attention of the president as they were making doing arguments about the wall and building the. Wall. I asked that oh a work. If he's going to jump in soon. He said he'll decide by the end of the month. But we'll so many others are also considering jumping in. We have Joe Biden Sherrod Brown. Michael Bloomberg, of course, many senators already in the race. So this is shaping up to be certainly a large democratic field. But it's already taking shape in terms of ideology and geography, and there is a sense now that there's a left sort of wing of this democratic field if you will and the centrist wing of that Howard Schultz, we making the case here tonight that he believes there's room for a third way wolf we'll see how that goes. Jeff zaluski. Thank you very much and to our viewers be sure to watch later tonight. Ten pm eastern CNN presents a special presidential town hall with the former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz and at eight eastern later tonight on a c three sixty Anderson Cooper talks with the latest democrat to jump in the presidential race Senator AB club jar of Minnesota coming up before Trump insider says. The White House. Silence about his tell all book, but Willie prevail in a new lawsuit against the president. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Tonight. A former White House aide who run a tell all book is suing the president challenging the nondisclosure agreement. He was asked to sign to work for Mr. Trump by Brian Todd is joining us now with more on the lawsuit to cliff SIMS Brian says a cliff SIMS says the president is trying to stop him from promoting his new book. He does make that claim wolf. But the Trump side says the cliff Simms has violated a nondisclosure agreement. He signed with that tonight. We have new details on the controversy over us. Tell all book on life inside the west wing. He was once one of the president's aides. But tonight, he's drawing the president's ire cliff SIMS worked on President Trump's campaign and later in the White House as director of message strategy, but tonight he suing Trump saying the president wants to stop him from getting out his own message. And he does not respond well to weakness that he only responds to strength. And so our I wanted to stand up and say that I'm not going to be pushed into a corner, I'm not going to be bullied on this and stand up for myself. Trump is reportedly furious with SIMS over a tell all book seems wrote with stories of chaos and deceit inside the west wing after Simms went on a book tour. Trump lashed out tweeting Simms was a low level staffer who pretended to be an insider when in fact, he was nothing more than a gopher quote. He is a mess. The Trump campaign filed an arbitration claim against SIMS saying he violated his nondisclosure agreement. Or NDA sim says he's suing Trump to stop the truck. Campaign in the White House from trying to silence him served him faithfully. But but I worked for the American people. And so that's essentially what what the suit is saying I was backed into a corner by some legal action that that the Trump folks took legal experts say if sim signed an NDA as a White House, employees, it probably wouldn't be enforceable because federal employees rights to free speech are protected, but in his book seems also dishes about his time with the campaign at one point writing about Trump's hair care routine on the trail saying, quote, if there's any hair out of place somebody in the room better have the trestle may trae to hairspray extra hold. It's those comments lawyers say that could be a problem because while sim says he's not sure if he signed an NDA for his work at the White House, he admits he did sign one for the Trump campaign when he went to work for them in two thousand sixteen if he's making statements about his time during the campaign and signed a nondisclosure agreement. Then there is an enforceability. Factor against him for that. If however trails off into things related to his time at the White House the campaign and DA does not have any weight with those matters. Donald Trump has a history some say an obsession with making people sign as both for his businesses and his private life. Trump's lawyer drew up this NDA between Trump and porn star. Stormy Daniels who says she wants had an affair with Trump which he denied and Trump has lashed out at former employees like on Barrosa manigault Newman who he claimed violated an NDA she signed with the two thousand sixteen campaign when she wrote a tell all book. Trump biographer says his preoccupation with NDA's speaks volumes about the culture in Trump's inner circle and his own paranoia. This idea of someone speaking negatively about him really doesn't rage him. It makes him furious. And it makes him eager to exact revenge of the irony in this case is the cliff sim says he still admires Trump and his agenda saying that Trump is getting bad advice from the people around him. Neither the White House nor the Trump campaign never spotted to CNN's request for comment about cliff SIMS as lawsuit against the president. Now last summer CNN was told by people close to the White House that a lot of White House staffers were no longer signing nondisclosure or non-disparagement agreements because they were largely seen as unenforceable is that still the case that they're not signing those anymore. We got no response from the White House today when we asked that question we'll and Brian didn't the former White House aide. I'm Rosa manigault. Newman rejected offer from Trump's Cam. Pain over an NDA. She did wolf inner in a book that was released last year on Barrosa said she refused. A cushy fifteen thousand dollar a month retainer from Trump's two thousand twenty campaign because that came with another NDA Trump likes these days, but he does get into some sticky business with them some time certainly does Brian Todd reporting for us. Thank you. There's more breaking news just ahead on the rarest flit within the Senate intelligence committee over evidence of collusion in the Russia pro and the panel's chairman is lashing out at Michael Cohen. Former Trump fixer lawyer delay is Senate testimony co in pay. Hey, Sekou Smith here from the hang time podcast. Join me and my main man John's humid every week as we break down, the latest, NBA, news and storylines with. Yes. From around the league, we should've subscribed to NBA hang time on apple podcasts. Spotify an NBA dot com slash podcast for new episodes every Monday and Thursday this season.

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Tour de Force: Russia, OITNB and Cycling

Skimm This

11:33 min | 1 year ago

Tour de Force: Russia, OITNB and Cycling

"It's Friday July twenty six. Welcome to skim this. We're breaking down the most complex stories of the day and giving you the context on why they matter today. We're diving into a new Senate report showing how far Russia went to target U._S.. Election Systems uh-huh we'll connect the dots on the impact of this widespread interference and why Congress is debating what to do in the future then the migrant crisis has escalated in the Mediterranean. We'll give you the details and finally it's the final season of orange is the new black but it's legacy will live on. We're here to make your evening smarter. Let's skim this. The most complicated story today is about the Russians and how they tried to Hack U._S.. Elections Yeah Yeah we kind of already knew that but wait. There's more the Senate. Intelligence Committee released a bipartisan report yesterday showing that back in two thousand sixteen Russians targeted election systems in all fifty states previous reports showed that Russians had only had twenty one st systems. This isn't a disinformation campaigns. We've been hearing so much about where Russians posted ads on facebook trying to sway public opinion. This is about actual hacks into election system software voter information and more so this report shows that Russian interference was more widespread than we thought and we're going to get into that today what we've been warned about what this report says and what's being done about it. I let's be real. We've we've been hearing a lot about Russian interference. It was the main issue former special counsel Robert Muller was investigating in addition to the possible coordination with the trump campaign and whether president trump obstructed justice during his testimony to the House Judiciary Committee. Eighty on Wednesday Muller said Americans need to be paying attention to this over the course of my career. I have seen a number of challenges to our democracy. The Russian government's effort to interfere in our election is among the most serious later in the day in front of the House Intelligence Committee. He said it one more time for the people in the back. This isn't old news wasn't a single attempt to doing is we sit here and they expect correct to do it. <hes> during the next campaign but the sound bites didn't get a lot of play until yesterday when the Senate Intelligence Committee released this report showing that the Russians infiltrated all fifty states without being detected the committee reportedly interviewed two hundred witnesses and reviewed four hundred thousand documents and they found quite a lot. I Russia's hacks didn't happen overnight. The report said the Russian government got to work as early as twenty fourteen and kept going through at least twenty seventeen during that time the Russian scan systems in every state. There's no evidence to prove they actually changed any votes or compromise any of the machines but they could have the report says that the Russians may have just wanted to see if they could exploit U._S.. Election Vulnerabilities and save that Info to use in the future. That's the second main point the big takeaway away from the report. There was what some are calling a massive intelligence failure the Department of Homeland Security and the F. B.. I. Didn't give states enough info so they could deal with the threat and some states reportedly resisted help from the federal government. Basically everyone underestimated the scope of the hack. That's something everyone says they want to avoid in the future but what's being done about it unclear. Some of the Senate Intelligence Committee's report was blacked out including key recommendations for future. Elections one of the recommendations just said build a credible and everything else was redacted the proposals we could see included updating state infrastructure and potentially providing more funds to address them insecure voting systems Democratic Radic Senator Ron Wyden attached descent to the report seeing that the recommendations don't go far enough and Congress should establish mandatory cyber security requirements but it doesn't seem like some senators ears are ready to take their colleagues advice anyway. Republicans blocked some pieces of legislation yesterday that were trying to strengthen election security by requiring paper ballots and audits and providing more funding the legislation was put forward by Democrats and and Republicans think the bills take power away from the states. Here's Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell very important that we maintain the integrity and the security of our elections in our country and they Washington involvement and that rush needs to be undertaken with extreme car extreme care on thoroughly bipartisan basis so what's the skin to be clear. This Senate report was about physical election tax there will be other reports on how the Russian government made contacts with the trump campaign and how the Russians tried to influence voters through misinformation on social media but it's not just about the Russians Muller worn during his hearing that more countries are trying to replicate what the Russians did. During the last election one could be Iran reports came out yesterday that Iranian disinformation campaigns have been found on facebook instagram and youtube twitter is shutdown thousands of fake accounts from Iran this year. Alone all of the major social media companies have teams dedicated to stomping out disinformation campaigns but a growing list of bad actors to weed out and if Congress wants bipartisan legislation. They'll have to act fast. The twenty twenty election is right around the corner. We talked a lot about the migrant crisis on the southern border but there's another one happening in the Mediterranean Sea yesterday about one hundred and fifty migrants drowned off the Libyan coast officials are calling it the worst Mediterranean tragedy tragedy of this year another one hundred and forty migrants on the boat were rescued and taken back to Libya. This is not the first time this has happened for years. The E._U. has been trying to figure out how to handle the millions of migrants coming from Africa <hes> and the Middle East trying to escape things like war violence and poverty back home. The number of migrants making the voyage to Europe has dropped since the peak of the crisis in two thousand fifteen but many are still crowding onto boats. Even though it's an incredibly dangerous address trip and human rights experts are warning that the conditions are actually deadlier now because there are fewer governmental and non-governmental ships patrolling the waters to pick them up part of the reason for that is Italy. That's we're most of the migrants coming from North Africa head and we're the U._N.. Says the migrants who died were probably going. It's not like European. Countries were blind to the dangers of migrants crossing the Mediterranean in two thousand thirteen hundreds of migrants drowned in a shipwreck near the Italian island of Lampedusa. That's when Italy got serious about spotting migrant boats rescuing people on board those search and rescue mission save tens of thousands of lives but they were also expensive. Just a year later Italy shut down the operations saying that other European countries weren't doing enough to help then last year a nationalist and Anti Immigrant Party took control of the Italian government and it's been working to keep migrants out entirely one way is by preventing ships with rescued migrants from coming ashore in March the European Union reduced its search and rescue missions organizations like Doctors Without Borders suspended. There's for awhile too because of pushback from the Italian government but they've started up again and are warning that politicians shouldn't be turning a blind eye to the humanitarian crisis the U._N.. High Commission for Refugees says yesterday's shipwreck is just another example of the dangerous a situation these migrants are in even back home and they say Libya isn't exactly a safe place to be sent back to earlier this month. An airstrike killed forty four people at a migrant detention center in Libya the the same one. Some of these migrants are being sent to that hit is being described as a potential war crime <music> looking for a new show to binge. We've got you. The final season of Orange is the new black came out on Netflix today. They're just thirteen more episodes to close out the stories of the ladies at the fictional women's in prison litchfield penitentiary but the show based on Piper Kerman memoir of her time in prison. We'll have a lasting legacy say Washington Fund who say was a fan favorite from the start and when she. He was killed by a correctional officer. At the end of season four. There was a huge Internet outcry and a lot of heartbreak from vans. The fund will raise money for organizations that focus on criminal justice reform and it helped women who have served time to reenter society. Here's Samir Wiley the actress who played Poo say on the show in the Netflix announcement about the fund. We've been honored to tell these stories of these characters and we've learned firsthand that the system is failing. Women both inside and outside of prison walls for decades. Women have been the fastest growing population in U.. S. Prisons Piper Kerman wrote in a Washington Post op Ed today that the U._S. has used incarceration as quote a burst response when when it should be a last resort to donate to the fund head over to crowd rise dot com slash Pu say Washington Fund her before we go today. We've got some fun facts. Come into from hard core cyclists. It's the final weekend of the Tour de France nearly two hundred cyclists ride more than two thousand miles for twenty three days including some super steep mountains but it's not the same route every year. This year's race is being called the highest in history because three of the mountaintop finishes were above two thousand meters including one on the highest paved road in Europe so it's a huge endurance and challenge and pretty brutal in fact writers burnt almost as many calories in two hours of racing as an average person burns over an entire day the final stages the Sunday when they sprint down the Sean Selena in Paris to the finish and that's all for skin this thank you so much for listening this week and don't forget to hit subscribe we love for you to share the show with your friends and rate and review US wherever you get your PODCASTS A.

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Dumb Gay Politics 3 Year Anniversary!

Dumb, Gay Politics

1:17:05 hr | 8 months ago

Dumb Gay Politics 3 Year Anniversary!

"What's up everybody? Quincy Brinson Peterman and this holiday season. We're bringing you Cisco and Tree Bird present a Christmas podcast. Spectacular tackler on is where we will be reviewing your favorite Christmas movies from my perspective a Jehovah's Witness who's never celebrated Christmas in her life and my perspective someone who was raised Catholic and has been celebrating Christmas three hundred sixty five days a year for the past thirty years. That's right we'll be talking about movies like die hard a Christmas Carol Christmas story Christmas speak Asian Christmas this Christmas tune in to check it out brought to you by starbucks audio will be found on Apple spotify stitcher era era. PODCAST CHECK US out happy abby. It's all shit it's all. Just I'm gay politics America's but we're not gonNA let it go down like that because we got down gave podcast political podcast. We probably don't have all the facts but we got a pin them. Backtrack that's dumb podcast. Dumb get political podcast. It's ocean. They thought I mean I. Yeah now I am extremely of this shit this shit. The trump T- argue. ATS WHAT I don't even know. Hey everybody welcome to dump gay politics. I'm Julie and I'm brandy and this is the podcast where we recap the week in politics like we're recapping an episode of reality TV. It's our three year anniversary. Yeah happy anniversary anniversary soon. You're you're such a bug that that you didn't even know and I knew I would surprise you when I was like this bitch. I've said it every week leading up to this week and she has forgotten because we've been through so much every day we go through so much true. We live a lifetime each day. I'm very sorry I'm like those guys is that don't ever remember our anniversary. It's okay you don't need to apologize. You wouldn't be a man if you weren't like that would you give so many manly manly qualities. Happy Anniversary you mean world to me three years ago. Today we freak in went on a Thanksgiving bender in palm springs and then went on a cleansing cleansing. started the first time doing the podcast. It's really just full circle life or just us repeating our behaviors nonstop. Happy Anniversary to you. We have been through a lot to lot and we're still here. That's right right and we're and we're in three years is a long time. We'll in each other's lives for long long. That's what I'm talking about. PODCAST terms calving podcasts. Like having a show that runs ends for multiple years from multiple years before the podcast. Exactly what's Gosh so we should feel very proud. I'm very proud of you. I'm proud of us us. And we are sticking to this and committing to this and it's it's been really the most rewarding thing in my life while me too. I knew do nothing about politics and three years later I still know nothing. But we've done US fucking podcast every single week for three years. Okay you and I know some. You've you're thinking well they've been really late some of them and you're right. They've been late many many times particularly in the last year But the only week that we've ever efficiently officially taken off is July fourth. That's the only week we take off. So that means this is our one hundred fifty fifth episode one hundred did Divide Times on sitcoms. They get huge cakes and after one hundred episodes they get like cars and trips an extra money and a million dollars. Well they get money is the most important thing. Yeah we're in Joshua Tree right now and we're on a spiritual journey. It's gone deeper this this time from it just so happens to coincide with our three or anniversary so we have a couple packages discuss. But we aren't there back in La La. We were notified by our our mailbox. Are French mailbox curator's that we had many boxes that we needed to pick up so I know I feel field. This is because of our anniversary because even though you didn't remember many of our sweet fourteen listeners did so I need you guys to here why I've never played you her messages before. I don't know also. The dogs are in Joshua tree living their best life there coyote hunting and living so high. Hi DC's route from postal annex. You have a lot of rocks to pick up. Can you come to pick it up. Thank you okay. So thank you guys so much and we will get those this week. We're not just going to be stuck here. We have things that you back analyze. We're GONNA COME WE'RE GONNA come back and fourth. There's only a couple of hour drive so until then I wanted to mention a sweet little package. We got from David Walker dwell memo. You know him he sent us a viewfinder minder of us nothing better than a viewfinder of your own photos. And he's the only guy on our drug bulletin board that is with he's with Jonny McGovern and lady read and he's the only a listener that we would let send a picture of him with another with other podcasters that we would then place on the way and we do that. Because 'cause we love Johnny so so much so he's one of our best friends but David sent us B.'s. Okay so this is okay. I haven't seen these. Yep Up surprising her David. I've been holding onto your package all right now. These are all pens. These are all pins and one is very small. And it says I'm for Nixon Nixon and lodge which is like president. Nixon its original wow pin for Nixon I mean okay which is so great for right now so great right now it's happening right now. So timely David so timely one this one says. Burn one for Bernie okay. And there's a polyphonic. Republicans for choice. ooh Republicans approached who are pro choice for planned parenthood. I've never seen that before now. ooh I wonder amazing amazing last one stellar biggest one it says working for California Feinstein Senate who thousand sick with her picture. I envy from six vintage wine from obviously around the Napa Valley area from the bay area or the best West winds are made vintage Feinstein. Here's his note that he's that he sent. Hi Brandy and Julie. It's Veterans Day on Monday. Eleven eleven twenty nineteen. I wind my local starbucks to clean my purse out. While my husband Eric works he freelances and has a deadline but I have the day off from UC Irvine. Because it's better than stay right. Okay I found these buttons which I had purchased for you about a month ago at the bottom of my bag purse. I was at a random antique shop in San Pedro San Pedro and saw Bo full of political olitical buttons. I like the Nixon Lodge one. Even though none of us will ever be Republican. 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This is getting fixed before next week until deal with it deal with it. E Dio cone it. Yes yes okay. So thank you Devon for your gifts thank you David. Thank you everyone who has boxes waiting for us at our are French. Male curator store. They want us to pick them up. We won't be you you'll be holding onto them and that is what you get your money for and I'm sorry that every box you've gotten Martin has exploded doritos Spaghetti O's all over your your establishment. However here's another thing that's what you get your money for? That's right wait what. What did you have a male place for? If it's not to hold the male. I think they think that we order all of our groceries there and that I don't know if they think we're on the run and every time we go in there and Julie couldn't be bothered and I'm like this this is this is these are people that send the jobs we didn't order this. That's because they're like we have a thing like we're like we have the thing. Hold The mail. You are a male place. That's what it's for and I don't care if I ordered five thousand. We we pads. They're they're there for now. It's time for the shit storm for cushy take some shit put up on the walls chicken shit off the Washington. Put it down on the floor in a glass bowl. She'd take some buck and put up on the wash all right so for being honest the biggest shit storm that happened. This week was thanksgiving. And we're all hit with the shit whether we celebrated or not that said Thanksgiving is over. Thank God we are all filled with a shame about something. We overdid and trump is still in the slow slow process of getting impeached. Why you us because he broke the rules of the Constitution Russian when he refused to give approved congressional aid to the Ukraine unless they helped him dig up and possibly invent dirt Joe Biden Son? Hunter Biden said dirt would help trump beat Biden in the twenty twenty election or prevent him from being the nominee at all. Great Okay and since this is our first real should story about the impeachment inquiry hearings. Please allow me to recap for you. Guys what the fuck. The hearings actually are okay. So there are three equal branches of government in overly simplified terms. There's the White House. Congress and the Supreme Court Congress can be broken down into two sides the Senate and the House of Representatives before a bill can be made a law or before anything can get fucking done. The House of Representatives has to start the process from there it goes to the Senate and then it goes to the White House and that my friends is why nothing ever gets done correct and also why when one thinks about obamacare care it really does seem like a good goddamn miracle. But we digress so since everything starts in the House of Representatives impeachment is no different Nancy Pelosi who's a representative from northern California. Is the speaker of the house so it all begins with an answer Pelos so six weeks or somewhere around there are ago. Nancy Pelosi announced that the house would begin an official impeachment inquiry into trump. Right so then. It gets a little even trickier inside the House of Representatives and the Senate to are a bunch of small committees that focus on different areas of government and how impeachment investigation works. Is Several of these committees. Do their own individual investigations after which they turn in a report of their findings to Nancy Pelosi and the house at large large so normally in past impeachments there's not even an inquiry and it kind of goes straight to the judiciary committee but this is different because rather I'm just going balls out right directly to impeachment. This is an inquiry which is technically an investigation so the televised hearings. That have gone on for a couple of weeks prior to Thanksgiving thanksgiving. You know the ones that we do be avoid ever even talking about those hearings were conducted by the House. Intelligence Committee okay. The House Intelligence Committee is headed up by our congressman. Adam Schiff. He's Hollywood. He's West Hollywood. He's Adam Schiff he's literally the representative for all of gay a Hollywood and he just happens to be from Burbank. Which is where Julian I live and where we do this podcast every week for three years? And if trump didn't suck so fucking hard Adam Schiff would have been a guest on this podcast because his press aide was a fan of people's couch and when we emailed them to ask him to be guest he he said he loved people's couch. Put that Adam. Schiff was busy with stupid fucking trump because he's always been on the house. Intelligence Committee and House. Intelligence Committee has not stopped investigating trump. Since the very first week he was inaugurated so also as a side note. Adam Schiff is on the cover of a magazine this month and on the cover it says Burbank's banks own Adam Schiff. But what should they have said Ma'am how he's Hollywood he's West Hollywood. He's Adam Schiff that's right okay. So Adam Schiff heads up the house intelligence committee who are primarily in charge of gathering all the facts on what happened during this alleged quid pro quo deal with Ukraine so they subpoenaed and interviewed all all these key. Witnesses for the weeks leading up to thanksgiving. Now this is what we're going to recap today but it's important to know that the intelligence committee will turn in a report to the House Judiciary Very Committee. Who starting on Wednesday this Wednesday literally? They will begin conducting their own subpoenas in hearings and will ultimately be the committee that decides. It's whether to begin drawing up official articles of impeachment which makes sense because it's like the intelligence committee gathers intelligence and then the judiciary committee judges it. It goes so it's a whole different committee. With a whole different set of stars but are recap and it literally starts tomorrow you guys which is. Yeah and if you're if you listen to this and whatever. It has started Wednesday so Julie thinks it's exciting and I think that's cute and that's why we have this podcast. Because she likes stuff like this. I mean this this. These weeks of these hearings have been fucking mind numbing to me but we're here. We're up at dawn at a pride swallowing each to explain these committees and pretty much. Everyone's are already turned off the podcast right now. Because it's so fucking wordy but I don't know how anyone can be invested without understanding like we're about to recap all of these hearings and a new hearings are going to start are tomorrow and I'm like why who what reason. Well if you're a person who is like what's the problem just had a phone call. What's the big deal? That's what these hearings have been about. And that's why it's so exciting and it is and it's also there's a method to the madness and each committee needs it's to do their own thing with their own fucking witnesses and whatever the Fox so what we're recapping is round one of information gathering by the House Intelligence Committee and around to like we said begins tomorrow or Wednesday of this week Where the House Judiciary Committee does their thing? And we what we've seen and we had hoped to God is that there's new witnesses new material and new stars. Okay but until. Then here's what we feel are the the most important and significant takeaways from the nine thousand days of the House Intelligence Committee hearings all right. Well I feel he likes so the first thing that we wanted to show is sort of like the tone. Yeah you know what's so fun and exciting about it. Basically is that the Republicans don't don't want this impeachment to even be inquired about and they're going to whine and kick and scream and throw up distraction after distraction and crying thing and temper tantrums only and even to the point where they literally went into the halls of the house. Yelling and screaming is a grown grown adults. Yeah like and particularly interesting is that this is all happening in the House of Representatives so the main stars and particularly one Devon Nunez. He was the the head of the intelligence committee before Adam Schiff he's Hollywood he's West Hollywood out Schiff and the house in general when trump got elected Republicans had the majority in the house in two thousand eighteen. The midterms which is the midterm elections in November of two thousand Eighteen Democrats took back control of the house. They all that chap they're fucking hide. It's shoved a stick up. All their asses Devon Nunez lost his shitty meager meagre grasping at power and Adam Schiff took over and Adam Schiff was like sit the fuck down bitch and stop talking and these Republicans because all they are if you really boil it down. And I don't want to just generalize and I began this podcast in the middle and as a as a proud and smug independent. It's all gone now. Honey because these these people are power mongers our power mongers. It's what they value. It's what they care about the fact that they lost power they can't take it and that is where it's really getting snarky and snide and angry and hostile. And it's all there because literally Devon Nunez in the when they first started investigating trump. He was taking their private findings. Classified like FBI CIA information that was given to Congress to the House Intelligence Committee and he was driving in a limo and dropping off at the White House to trump. Like that guy knows no shame. So He's dying and hates Adam Schiff and it is clear the hatred Israel and clear so we will set the tone with some clips. Yes and it's important to know that there are now between Devon Nunez. This who clearly is being blackmailed. And Has God knows what they have over him. Then why he's bringing shift to the White House Blah Blah Blah. There are other new stars that are emerging who must have shit on them too because they are. They're trying to make their name. Yes both mongers to make their name. Well there's a young lady WHO's thirst knows no bounds. She has been amored after this hearing by the left and she has been praised by other right. Should we play this and then discuss well her. Name's Elise Stefanik And she really and I mean I hate to use such a cliche sake but I mean I think she almost turned straight the amount of checks. That's correct angry. Blake insane making vengeful taxed about out this woman like any woman that watched this could not handle and I personally believe. I think she's out for. I think she's out for fame. I think she's a come dumpster after that wants these Republicans to she's she's a Sarah Huckabee Sanders and she's a fucking Liz. Cheney she's up what's up bitch that ran for office the what's that Bitch with John McCain Sarah Palin there's just certain women they need these men to or Megan McCain whoever they are she is one of the worst people in government I've ever seen I've ever heard in my ears and in my eyeballs. I think she is a living piece of shit and and I cannot believe this person exists. So let's let's hear it. Yeah I'm I have several questions I think Mr Caster wants to get to. You know Mr Phonic. You have a few quick questions for the ambassador. Yield to you Mr Bonner. Thank you Mr Nunez ambassador. Yvonna Vich thank. Thank you for years today. Gentlewoman was suspend. What does the interruption? For this time it is time. The gentleman will suspend your not recognize Mr Nunez you or coastal. I just recognized Nice House. Residents six sixty or not allowed to yield time except a minority. Kinda ranking member yielded type another member of Congress accurate. You're getting the accurate Ivanovich. I WanNa thank you for not recognized. This is the fifth time you have interrupted members. There's a lot of grants will suspend Mr Chair. We control the time been customary. This committee that whoever controls time mm-hmm can yield to whoever they wish if we have members of Congress that have a few questions seems appropriate that he'll miss defined ask her question. You Minority Council recognized Mr Castor. You recognized the the other person there was devenue Nez. He's him and and he was non. Stop arguing between him and shift because they're both the heads of this committee but Schiff is the real head Adam Schiff. He's Hollywood. He's West Hollywood. She's chef and he's also he's Hollywood. He's West Hollywood and he's the head of the committee bitch. That's alright Devin. Nunes is basically number two devin. Nunes is the top Republican. Adam Schiff the top Democrat. The Democrats have the house so he is now in charge of Nunez's number two so he must defer Adam Schiff is running everything that they can take it. And it's his time to fucking and we don't have enough time to go through all the ship a Devon Nunez also living piece of shit also that you know to be honest with you watching this. I'm going to be a nun. I'm going it'd be a non. Yeah because they're all fucking disgusting Devon Nunez in his opening and closing statements called it a sham. He said witch hunt he said hoax. He said this show. Oh he said they had to now go. He's like well. I guess we all have to go to the private these other private hearings and go to the basement of the house wherever that's going to be and we who knows how long we're going to be there. They constantly hammered home. That Adam Schiff was abusing his power. And that's what at least was doing. Yeah why would you ripping me Eh. The Congressional Congress downstairs like the time right this well. The reason this time is you're out of order And unfortunately in these these committees there is a very strict guidelines of how much time you can talk who can talk when you have to be recognized you have to say that's why that's where I yield my time or I want my time bag all of that. I'm Marie claiming my time okay. Raleigh me my mother. And he is in charge of everybody's everybody's time and and and he's not gonna be fucking trifled with. Absorption maxine waters sidebar. Isn't on the Judiciary Committee or we would be this week. 'cause she's on ways and means which deals with taxes and thought really is intelligent committee deals with taxes but maxine waters. I would reclaim her time and would walk all over these fools yes okay and then now in this next clip another come dumpster is Jim Jordan. Who just so you guys know in case you've forgotten? He's absolutely pathetic and despicable but he was an assistant wrestling coach. And that just says it. All that just says it all his Alpha Alpha male fragile ego male toxicity bullshit toxic masculinity bullshit. It's all there but now we can add to the fact that the doctor untreated his wrestling team was and now they're college age Rustler's and at the end of the day. If somebody feels up your nuts and your Chaffetz God and Fuck Punch him in the throat since you're a wrestler however it was absolutely one hundred percent reported to Jim Jordan many many many many times and he ignored it. Let's Alexa Dr Remain on staff and now that every wrestler is a grown man and has the the balls to show up no pun intended. It'd it'd be like he absolutely touch US inappropriately and we reported it and this piece of Shit didn't care and he's denying that's how despicable and disgusting the sky is. He will do anything to maintain his power. He will do anything to sit like a weasel and avoid confrontation and make money on the side. He doesn't fucking care what's wrong or inappropriate or anything. He also wasn't originally on this committee and the Republicans put him on because they know that he will do anything they tell him to take a little more bulldog. That's exactly what I was GONNA say. So here's his moment armaments. Remember remember your chic. Unless Shinko criticized him. When you have a walk off the guy who I told you about Giuliani criticizing all this going on and when you couple that with concerns he has about corruption that concerns about Europe? Not Doing enough that concerns. He has about reluctance in hard earned. Tax Dollars to any country join. I have indulged village do with extra time appreciate indulgences wearing out I appreciate it. There is a question are out with you a long time ago Mr Jamil I'm about to gavel you down so if you have suggest you ask. Her is operatives. Maybe reason that this was president. Trump's concern was justified. The the fighting they had between the two of them the whole time Jim Jordan constantly and him in at least at least a fantasy I believe is being mentored by him and like the way that they're like. Yeah well I'm sick. You yeah well you can take back by your time your time and yeah well how about this and well all maybe like he's that makes me sick. I am a true living breathing. Count and I don't need any man to mentor. Me Do you think fucking Kamala. Kamala Harris needs a man to mentor her to walk in their own their asses. She doesn't okay so now. Let's move to the witnesses now. There was a million people and they they were all ugly and whatever cares however the takeaways. The most important interesting standout were as follows. We're going to start with Gordon Gordon. Sunland okay. This guy was a mega donor to trump. He's a trump sycophant. He's a fucking tool he's disgusting and gross. He donated a million dollars to trump's uh-huh campaign and then in turn trump gave him an ambassadorship to the European Union Basseterre ships. That that you're GONNA have have. I mean I'll let you know I'm pretty sure. Shirley temple was like the ambassador to like. She was the ambassador to Ghana and then to to Czechoslovakia was Czechoslovakia that I was thinking of trump though like talking about other countries. But I just know if you're GONNA to give an ambassadorship the you know you want the one to France. You just want the one like the European Union. Well you have to spend a lot of time there so you can be like. I spent six months out of the year in Paris or whatever you want to spend six months out of the year and I don't know wherever like yeah so this guy's rich he does hotels just like trump. He gave a million dollars he was given the ambassadorship the European Union. The most attractive I would say easiest one and he got it so fine. He knew about the whole shady deal with Ukraine. The press knew he knew everybody knew he knew it was an open secret that he was involved he was on full jets with trump. He was on Air Force. One being like this now. I don't talk to my lawyer wasn't gonNA turn tail. They subpoenaed him. He refused the subpoena. The State Department said you're not you're not testifying. You'RE NOT GONNA show up to testify to ignore the subpoena and the Intelligence Committee was like God bitch. Your private citizen gave that million to trump. We're going to go so far up your ass and in your your finances you're GonNa wish you never even heard his name and he showed right on up to the hearing was like Yup. It's all their quick quid. Pro Quo plus cheers to what trump does also then trump turns around and throws everyone under the bus. And then they get mad. These are these are weasel asshole turncoat. Trash pigs they are. They're not families are not going to be loyalty. You all this loyalty. This second. You then intern Michael Cohen. I don't I don't even we talked to times. I don't know what is Gordon's online. was like what exactly we talked all the time. What are you talking about right? Well Fuck you then quid pro quo bitch pro. Only that through Mike Pence under the bus everybody gratuities Mike. pompeo Rudy Giuliani White House. Chief of staff. He's like if they were walking through the White House. They knew the aid was withheld. And it was all about Joe Biden's son and it didn't matter what it took. It didn't matter that Congress is. They're giving all this aid. They have to vote on it. It's a whole thing. Everybody's he's doing their job and trump is telling the chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney. Oh keep the aid to the people from the budget. The White House like a budget committee quitting MHM people are quitting left and right. They don't even understand their like. Am I going to get arrested. I can't put this aid. I'm a simple person who got the job. I was an accountant. Jose decide so Gordon Sunland saying like the bitch he is and then. He threw everyone under the bus. That we all hate and it was it was Heaven Laureus to witness. So that was I thought with the with the witnesses one of the most fascinating fascinating one. And he was the one that they were waiting for and everyone was excited about in the second he was done one. The Democrats were done interrogating him. They stopped for like a press conference literally. They were like all right. Well that was cool Hornets. One second. We're just GONNA take like fifteen minutes. We will be back. And then Adam interests like quid pro quo we dirt it. It's affirmed fuck trump. Fuck you fuck you knew he will. We're going back to the European. Okay so next. What we really loved was an I should say Julie and all of this? Because she's the one who really put in the time and watch this but we were into Maria von Vich judge prior to the hearings because she seemed like Major. Kick ass balls out chick once. The hearings were televised. It turned out she wasn't as kick ass at some of the other other people. She was absolutely thoughtful incredibly intelligent and just somebody that I feel like should should and can go so far politics. I really got a lot of respect for the check. I mean she for me was. She's my personal favourite. That that testify because there was just something so like even though I thought she was hardcore because of like her weird sending haircut she turned out to be such a empathetic hard working person. Who Cares about humanity? Eddie I was like please be some something more in an administration than just an ambassador to another. How about help our country as you're so her and you really did get a sense of like you're like why are you informed service? You should be working here. And then you realized she was like. Oh that's what a diplomat is. She's doing diplomacy. She's like this assorted deploy. This is why that's why she's that's why she's good at what she does. She's she has to listen to all sides she even though she's going in with an agenda she she has to be diplo tick yes. The and the funny thing is she did her job incredibly and all you have to hear her talk to know the most important thing we all have as our instincts instincts and all you have to do is open up your instincts open up your eyebrows and fucking listen and you'll be like I trust this person. I get it so she was doing her job better than probably and she was the ambassador to the Ukraine during Obama. And I say don't say this lightly I think she was probably doing her particular job. Better than in ninety eight percent of the people in the Obama Administration period. And she's that good at her job and that perfect at it and trump kept her on for whatever reason probably because he didn't know he wrote in not exist he didn't know and he didn't know he needed to fucker over yet and he didn't know what he needed from Ukraine and the minute he no he knew he needed Ukraine trained to do some shady shit. He needed to get get her fired and he needed to get her fired fast. And that's exactly what he did. He blindsided her. He had her fired. They some congressmen took a bribe. wrote a fake letter together fired subsequently all true check it out. They fired her and then they insulted. Her twenty ways is to Sunday like she was a piece of shit that should never be hired by anyone again. She should go hide the amount the the way in which they fired her was that that would make any less person. Hide in a corner and be like what did I do. They almost made her feel like what she did was criminal and she should be scared to ever try and work in politics six again. She's apathetic and awful and then when they asked her to come testify she's like gladly and then she showed up and said that they insulted her. They blindsided her. They fired her out of nowhere and they tried to intimidate and then all the Republicans denied it. They said they didn't blindster. They didn't fire out of nowhere. They didn't insult Zolt and they didn't intimidate her while they were all trying to rape her over the coals and make her look like a dumpy. Shit trump tweeted tweet. blindsiding insulting assaulting her talking about why she was fired and intimidating her right in the middle of the mall denying it yet in the hearing and then Adam Schiff read the to Russia as we see there testifying. The president is attacking you twitter. And I'd like to give you a chance to respond. I'll read part of one of his tweets. It's everywhere on which went turn bad. She started off in Somalia. How did that go? He goes on to say and later in the tweet is a US residents absolute right to appoint ambassadors first of all eventually. Bondage Senate has a chance to confirm or deny faster. Do they not. Yes advising consent but would you like to respond to the president's attack attack everywhere you went turn bat I I mean I. I don't think I have such powers I not Mogadishu's Somali smalley. Not and other places. I actually think that Where I've served over the years I and others have demonstrably made things better for the US. As well as for the countries that I've stirred in Ukraine for example where there are huge challenges including on the issue that we're discussing today of corruption huge challenges that they've made a lot of progress since two thousand fourteen including in the years that I was there and I think impart Ukraine people get the most the most credit for that but but a part of that credit goes to the work of the United States and on and to me as the ambassador in the united in Ukraine. Amazing I mean and he Adam Schiff over time and time again really came with the understanding banding and the like trying to make the people who are there to testify like to let them know that he saw autumn. He was there he was trying to be fair. He was never unfair. Sorry he was never unfair when the tweet comes in during the middle of the airing during of course what's he gonNa do is GonNa be like you guys. Why wouldn't you just be like case closed? What adjourns here's the Tweet jour-jour good night for the night? Like this is what she said happened. It clearly did there clearly against her for no reason. She's proven that she's amazing. Enter job so then Jim Jordan old molester. Yeah Rolls Up and and she. I feel molested him now. Jim Jordan and most of the Republicans and the Democrats did this too. There was so much. Grandstanding so much grandeur so much you know. There's supposed to be asking these questions. And there was millions of minutes spent went. Oh by the way my favorite person who does that and the best at it who invented the game of not asking a question simply grandstanding. Giving your point Lindsey Graham Graham so entertaining when he does it you guys he will and I will just sit there and be like and that's why we start loving him with. I'm like look at this. She is living in her moment. She is telling telling everyone what they should think. She's knocking ask a personal question. She's just gonNa tell everyone what they should think right now and she's going to do it in a southern accent and she's going to do it knowing her boyfriend is watching right well now. They're all doing that yet. And they're all hoping their boyfriend. Trump is watching because he was so they all did it. Jim Jordan did it so much and it'd be like then Luna Vote Vote Joe and then yet this guy and they said that they there is a problem with corruption now. Corruption is the reason that we're here today. Never Democrats want to pretend they went to act like they're doing something but they're not and we all know that we're here because I'm awesome eleven someone and I'm trying to hide things and I'm being paid and if I keep talking I'm GonNa keep making money and my shits not gonNA come out so I'm gonNA come just GonNa keep fucking doing this shit because because I'm going to keep doing this shit and I'm never gonNa shut up but in the middle of like twelve fifteen minutes in you've let me ask you this. Let me let me just ask you this. And and then there'll be a question and then and also he's doing smug way. He thinks he's going to catch. Oh what everything catch. And then this is what he caught on Ukrainian government about this. Say Some of these officials. Hey you guys you guys need to knock this off this. This perception that we got as Mr Levin. He said the majority of Ukrainian politicians on Hillary Clinton's side. That's not good. You have that conversation. Didn't talk to anyone in the government sought to prison for Cinco government. No I mean pure heaven. No Jillian and I've listened to it forty times. No the tone of the knows. No the no no no no no no no no you know. It's there are no words other than no. It's just so good and it's like take your tiny Dick uh-huh and your fucking inferiority complex and your fake Alpha male bullshit. Pack up your toys and kick rocks with your buddies. So as they're closing witness witness the house. Democrats called Fiona Hill. Who is Julie's favorite of the bunch? So she was the former National Security Council. I guess under Obama or even before Obama. She was their top expert on Russia. I'm the National Security Council. They deal with national security around the whole world. This bitch is the expert on Russia. I don't even understand that there is anyone else in the world in existence. That could be more of an expert. Then her they chose her to be their top expert on Russia so Julia was living her the entire time. This bitch shut the game down and then through the mic on the floor and then wrote out of the room on a magic carpet with their middle finger. Finger held high. I was particularly struck by your testimony. Anita Hill about receiving hateful calls and being accused of being a source mole in the White House. Are you a never-trumper. Never trumper or have you been true to your profession remain nonpartisan. I honestly don't know what the definition of never-trumpers as I think many of my colleagues Feeling the same way that puzzling term to be applied to career all the nonpartisan officials and I chose to come into the administration. I could easily have said no when I was approached. A sign up to have people calls and like I guess unfortunately where we are today in America. That's coming with the territory continuing honestly I mean we're constantly having to block Twitter posts of my name and address in on the Internet. We've been during this over the last couple of days I think I said in my deposition. This could happen to any single person in this room being members of the press members of Congress and be at the staff. I think we have to find ways of combating this and again this gets back sadly two things are adversaries can also exploit exactly. I think you would agree with me that this shouldn't become from the new normal which I also think that this kind of behavior instead of keeping you down would make you. You undeterred are you. Are you more determined to continue to do your work into it professionals. I am and I think that all my colleagues as well because just as you said. We complicate the stunned. And I don't think anyone anyone here wants to let this stand. I actually don't believe that. This is a partisan issue. I don't think anybody wants to come under personal attack. She had a million moments. Like that. Like saying like. You're not you know I don't know what being a never-trumper is and all that stuff. She's just putting everyone in their place. She did it constantly. She said during the during the hearing. She's like she stopped for a minute and she was like look. Everyone needs to just know. Ukraine had nothing to do with the two thousand sixteen election. We know this. It's a in fact. This isn't a theory it's a fact it was Russia. We know this. Stop pedalling. Stop propagating. WE'RE NOT GONNA book words Baresi Theory in a fantasy. It's ridiculous stop doing it. You're in the hands of Russia for doing that. She literally everyone every Republican there. She was like you are being Russian asset. If you sit here and over this press I try and convince the public. That Ukraine had something to do with this. You are now being a Russian. Ask Ma'am how do you know what your favorite food is meat. That's right and do you know what butcher boxes do why. What's your box? Is a meat delivery service that delivers nine to eleven pounds of meat to your doorstep easy. That is enough just in case you didn't know for twenty four individual meals. I don't know if that's enough. I don't know that we're going to get twenty four original meals out of it. We've already you we. We've we've gotten a lot of meals so far and it's been wonderful. I want to say the meat. You guys is no antibiotics or added hormones ever. ooh You can choose one hundred percent grass fed and grass finished which we chose correct because we wanted to try this shit like wandering after it now we have been looking you go to the grocery store whatever you never really know. We're not sure where this is. They literally have shaken hands. Yeah well what happened was we heard Thanksgiving's coming up we despise holidays and I cannot deal with the Turkey carcass revolution at Thanksgiving. It bothers me. I don't go into the grocery store. It bothers me. We heard that butcher box was having like. They went to this farm and they shook hands with the farmer and it was like this whole thing with their thanksgiving Turkey so we were like. Oh okay that sounds like something we want to get involved in. Yes I wanted to get my among involves. I'm like this sounds the way to thanksgiving. You know what I mean like. They hung out with the Turkeys. Yeah I mean the they're they're free range there you're on the range you know the house or out hanging around. The chickens are running around the pigs. The even the salmon which is wild caught wildcard wildcard straight up wild caught salmon. And that's way hard to find like way hard so their chicken like Ma'am I said it's free range. It's organic so we were like let's do do this thing now. It is genius now even though it comes frozen right Mammogram C- Yes comes frozen so you just put all of it in your freezer and you just take it out one. You know. It's wrapped in plastic and they're individually wrapped. They're individually packaged plastic. So like there's like four chicken breasts wrestler say each breast. has its own package. So you can UNU- can cut it in. You know what I mean and then you go on the website and how does it work when you order it when you ordered ours. How does it work the you just pick the thing you want I got? I didn't I chose not to have pork so all I had to do assume do not work. And then you just click on the things that you want to take so easy individually each. Yeah so we have a ton of salmon and each Taman pieces individual Yup. So 'cause you know sometimes man. Now it's all a mammals freezer but we have a full plan. It's like it's our it's GonNa be. It's our future with the podcast because we always eat memories has to cook. And we've are. She already did a straight up barefoot contessa hold a chicken and it was the best chicken I ever made. It was so good so good and it was like we were at a restaurant. It was so good. It's all there. It's so convenient and like and you know what you're getting. It's it really is genius and it just it made me feel good even making it. I literally got to you. Say thank you to the chicken. Thank you to the beef. Yeah thank you to it and I thought you know you had a good life and I just had a moment where you just you know. At least you know where it's from you have the thing and you just feel good. You know better. And we know a lot of vegans. Listen and Vegetarians. But if you're a meat lover you really gotTa start trying your the best to be have awareness about where your meat comes from definitely the largest cause of global warming so we want to be conscientious. We want to have awareness. We're doing that through butcher walks. We recommend that you do it to its. You're also you know it lasts it. Can you kids in the freezer. It's so great enough. Great things about it. It made Adar month. It's GonNa make our Thanksgiving super stoked so we urge you right now. If this is a this is of interest to you at all right now you can get two pounds of ground beef and two packs of Bacon Four Free Plus Twenty dollars off your first box. You just go to butcher box dot com slash politics ticks. Use Promo Code Politics P. O. L. I. T. I. C. S. at checkout. Did you hear me but your box dot com slash politics or use Promo Code owed politics at checkout to free pounds of ground beef two packs of Bacon for free and twenty dollars off your first box. He's got to get that wild caught salmon to honey. Now let's move onto some related news that you probably haven't heard about but it's completely fucking tragic Yeah this is the part of the show where we tell you about things in the news that you may have missed but they are too tragic for us to ignore okay so so after all this shit comes out about trump pressured the Ukrainian president to help him win the election by digging up dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter and and what trump did is so agree gis that he is now literally embroiled in an impeachment investigation. That for any of you. That are still listening. We just told you about for half hour. Joe Biden. This week revealed his campaign slogan for his Twenty Twenty presidential campaign and it is so fucking tragic that we cannot even deal. We don't even have time for it. We really needed to cut the segment. But but we didn't cut it because we can't deal now before we reveal this tragedy. Let us remind you that. For the last decade Joe Biden has been regarded as nothing less than beloved by Democrats. He was Barack Obama's vice president and though he is clearly and unfortunately I'm to old to run for president against trump. He is the undisputed front runner. The man has made some seriously embarrassing blunders in the debates and on the campaign trail L. and nothing was bringing him down nothing okay he was number one number one number one well. His campaign slogan is so tragic that it has us wondering if he wants to be taken down because he can't seriously want to win with the slogan no Malarkey he and and he he can't win. He can't win with the slogan on the side of a bus that says no malarkey. Were here on a spiritual journey mammal comes into me first thing in the morning with a laptop and goes look at this five minutes later. A Dean comes over my cell phone from our gay husband Richard in Savannah Georgia look at. This is unbelievable. He's doing on a bus tour in Iowa because 'cause they're all obsessive Iowa and they revealed this extreme house home makeover whereas like show us the bus and then there's the bus and it says Joe Oh Biden no Malarkey and Richard says he's breaking. Oh Joe Biden. He's breaking ground on ground. We never knew was there or or needed broken. I mean why is it. Is it just for Iowa because people to judges pulling ahead in Iowa is it. Is he going to abandon it after Iowa or is it isn't he stuck with it better abandoned after Iowa. Because I don't know what they're thinking don't use to make a great point you're like why not just call it no bull oh no bullshit no BS whatever like yes is to blue or whatever they call it. I'm so such a made of cuss words that I don't even know what they call it but I think it's blue if too much even though apparently Hollywood could make who's the B in apartment twenty three or whatever and everyone's doing it and w T. F. and freaking af and it's all everywhere but of bs too much then just say no bull with Biden. Yeah no exactly. That would've who whoever's listening Chink Hope. Just say savior just something that inspires people need another snarky. funky Obama didn't do it right. I mean at this point. He's making make make America great again. Look like the best goddamn slogan. I've ever heard. Yeah it's like madmen came up with it in the public you know in the Marketing Department or whatever or the like the best ad people what we're busy they all do market research they do and I'm just like sitting there would you. Did you call fifty fifty people together in a room and say what would impress you. We don't need something rude we don't need we don't need and they went to a nursing home. They went to the fucking old sunrise search by the side of the road home and they were like. What do you think Doug No malarkey? Sounds good. That reminds me of all twelve like nobody wants normally. I'm now look. I'm not inspired by no market at all. It sounds like a sandwich. It sounds like a Turkey. It sounds like a pro turkeys item. Largish I would ah sandwich with cranberry. Just because I would like some stuff on the side tubes I'm just into a Malarkey mood right now. Thanksgiving I know what he means he he is he is he wants to barely. He said Malarkey over his career. That's his thing is like when he goes no Lodestar. I'm the Lodestar. Hey Hey Mike Pence Lodestar. That's what he's GonNa put on the side of his bus because apparently he said Lodestar throughout his whack career unload star sounds cooler than no malarkey. At least Lodestar. Sounds like a country song or something that you'd see on the channel or someone who took a bunch of loads in their big Lodestar and yet does sound cooler and Joe Biden needs to be like if he shoots you straight if that the best thing about him that he's a straight shooter. I don't know that it is like there was a there was a more thoughtful better way. Okay and if you WANNA come correct and you do on a MoD some people to the ground and you want to be snarky and you WANNA be whatever you want to be at eight no Malarkey. Okay you look like a tool you sound like like a tool. We're already scared you're too old yet. That's what the bus just say up at school and I'm a tool. I'm too old. I just confirmed it when I wrote no Malarkey. Yeah on the side so everyone stand by and wait for that to change by the time. This podcast comes out tomorrow and now it's time for a moment with Malania The shooting by Seattle Cutoff. It's been awhile since we've heard from our beautiful first lady on a regular a D G P podcast. We usually save her appearances for our live shows. Since she is such a legend in her schedule is oh so hectic but we couldn't celebrate celebrate our three year anniversary without a moment with Melania. Because she's been such a huge an integral part of this podcast from literally the very very beginning so without further ado please welcome back to the show. Malania trump has lady randy. I am happy to be with Hill. My husband Donald hit. Want me to come to this. PODCAST that it's you know. No normally I believe you know. He don't he don't but I you know how I say an ivory tower on my jacket. I don't care do you know. I don't know you and Julia have a special connection more than the first time I met Hair yeah I thought she was coming to apply I four security job and guard thought she was man and to work security. My husband say dice. That's not a four man and I said you fall man get out of here. Well Malania I want to ask you speaking of of your jacket and your husband. I want to find out what you think about this author. Okay her name. Is Kate Bennett now. She released a book this week. Called Free Rebe Malania an unauthorized biography. Silly Sicily you know this medicine early Cape. Ann would look around the House on on me. It was like single fight Malania. She wants to be me she befriends with me or maybe she onto be me or savant over my clothes. Let's say you WanNa get with Donald. I say go ahead good for you. One less time for me. We have separate now. She thinks she bringing some kind of information in book because she says we sleep in February two rooms. Like I as a fan of your's brandy I would say to her. Terry Chevelle riles. We sleep in separate right. Okay yeah like last night we crazy. Yeah let's let's not. Let's not know what she what people think is I'm stuck. I need to be free. I am not a free I mean. The title of the Book Is Free Malania. That's because he's all unsalted. It's insulting I don't need to be. I'm all already free from Slovenia. How do you think I got here her? I said you know for higher right wife life while your parents probably my working. You're you're you're being paid for your free in Slovenia. I wasn't free. I was in Al Tiles. We've my father's US friends right. Believe me it was not free. It was called. Now there's dot EU of me in town you think I've been there. Do you know parents. There's no no. I'm not going to that town where they make. It's like Melania cake day. Good go eat the cake and get the fuck out my face exactly. I'm not going to that so I am free. I am fine I am doing me. I have my son when he is eighteen. Gene here's the plan goodbye. Donald Seal CEO later not really not even later. Okay take all the money that you've been paid of Zamani honey using I'm free. I am free my bank account. That is just for me. And every three week I take a percentage of my allowance and they put it in my bank account so I have quite a bit of money now Erin it does turn eighteen and you go on your merry way. Will you ever. Do you think. Do a tell all or you not allowed legally to do that. I have signed I none an NDA. So I cannot do that but if somebody could potentially say like OJ. They could go if I were Belania could have been like these right like the way. OJ said if this had happened it could have gone. I'm not saying it's ME I. I signed the agreement illegal but someone else could do it and say oh you know Donald he maybe hit you that one. In time he puts you in elevator. That's right he force sexy time after the one time with bad on he the have many horrors. Hey always hook errors. He are so soon eat burgers at night in bed. He lie when he say he don't and drink. He's had some that now. That's good now that you on things. There's something's there something. Well we love you Milania. I'm so happy you stop stop by. And he's not the boss of you and you are allowed to come in this podcast when I do. Devante is not me and happy anniversary to you. I always be here for this show. I love it. I love coming on a Jesse. I'm pretty I do me and we love you and now it's time for so there's that okay so this is the part of the show where I give Julie the task of finding a so. So there's that moment in all of the bad and upsetting political shit that is happening every day. This is kind of a landmark. So there's that since this is the three year anniversary of this podcast podcast and that means that Julia has suffered through this segment over one hundred and thirty ish times because she does get out of it now and again depending on what special we do or whatever. I'm sure. She wishes that that meant we were retiring it but it doesn't people like it and we all need it quite frankly. It's like self care for cynics. Six that trump has turned into hopeless. myla's so Miami out. What is your three year anniversary? So there's that this is pretty cut and dry And you helped me find it and I you know. I know that there's not a lot of political. So there's that there's really not and after three years you think there'd be more more but there are the truly getting less and less and less and less and less to be quite honest. Would that said I was touched. Moved Dare I say as a les- Man Hater yes now. I didn't even laugh because it was just so such a part of you. I'm like I'm listening. Go on like saying that you're Jewish or you're brown hair. I mean that an and I want I want men listening to know. It's really as a group and really about heterosexual men in groups like large groups like as in humanity. Now it's not often that heterosexually identified man comes comes forward in a way that I feel is so fucking inspiring and moving and important and and unique. Yeah and is a leader a mentor. Who who is a mentor for anybody? Whatever gender whatever brace whatever whatever whatever like like when that happens and that's that's giving you Gandhi style? Let's give you some Obama in a profound way that in a way that no one has before to yes exactly. It's really sticking their neck out really sticking their neck out and really going against everything everything they're taught and everything. They're supposed to be an everything that we think that they are wait. I've been part of the problem too right. Because I'm I'm part of the grant. I thought I was part of the brain. So I'm acknowledging that of my own self and also acknowledging how this person is really like put a stop sign on that the pizza delivery from John John. Hi You're my second delivery and I notice your effort spicy garlic. We know all your area knows. Okay Tom will you just yeah just just add another regular thank you so much okay bytes. Oh that's great So what was I saying. I acknowledge except except that I've been a part of the grain and that this person has now sort of you know e. on our journey of acceptance and for me personally trying to be less judgmental mental less open more open more forgiving in a way this guy has really shown a light now. How would how what had happened? Was Dwayne Dwayne Wade. Okay so let me take an NBA player from the Miami. He most notably for the Miami Heat He's played for won championships with them and then he's played for several years. He's back on the Miami he right right well. He's been going through it a little bit with. He has a little son who last year. Last summer he He took his son to gay pride with his current. Now Wife Gabrielle Union. whose an actress and they went to pry they? I took a picture of the instagram debt. And he was like here with my kid. We're having fun. Happy Pride everyone and it's clear the kid is in the non conforming. Cue Yes in the community in whatever way he's identifying and whatever way he's doing it he's clearly doing it and the dad is so supportive part of it's insane and he got so much shit so much. Hey whatever and he came back with it like. I'm I'm supporting my family with pride you do you whatever and that was already like like a missing well now that inspired Julian. I knew when that happened At Pride last year we completely remember tear to the eye. It inspired a lot of people that we know who have unique and kids in the LGBT cume unity in whatever way even if it's just questioning or gender non conforming it inspired so many people to be like you know. I'm not ashamed and I'M GONNA go out there and you know and it was inspiring period. Well he then for Thanksgiving. There's there's a photo of the Gabrielle Union Dwayne Wade and the the little. The boy's name is Diane and they're holding a little baby girl And it's their one of a little family photo and the kids Again displaying long nails. He's giving you some flamboyancy. NCAA giving you some community. Yes and again got the hate. Got The hate the hate and he standing by his son he then went. He took the everyone in the family. He's got two other other sons. They then went and took this other picture. They made t shirts. And they're wearing these little pajama bottoms. Or whatever. And it's like celebrate equality and always above or side. Hide the fact that this grown man who's an athlete basketball player. He's black. He's got all of every talks. ICK Masculinity trope that he's supposed to hold onto he's taken it all. He's thrown down the toilet. He's raising boys. which is what's so incredible? And he has a little daughter so he's able to raise a little boy who's in the community. He's the youngest one his other two sons or older. So it's it's everything it's raising thing that aren't in the community and his own family. Right he comes from the black community which already can have certain members can have a history rate the problem with that he he's in the NBA. Va they definitely. That is talk in new magic does come on. It's just beyond hard to take a stand. We all know how hard it is to take a stand at work on eaten. None of us do none of us. Do we. All just lurk into the corner like Matt Damon and pretend we didn't notice or see and I certainly don't want to be the person who's like I'm going to be be the one that changes everything and Blake brakes the ceiling like to do that in the NBA beyond beyond. He's got boys who are growing up to be men who are not going to be judgy. The and gross and toxic and masculine is growing daughter. Who then doesn't need to be afraid of men as she grows up they're going to have an understanding and an empathy for each other? An of every body and at this thanksgiving I just want to say I am thankful for him and his family and to know that there are men who are alive and doing it in this world who are there as teachers and mentors and role models for all of US leaders and leaders. So there's that uh-huh yeah. Yeah so that's it for this episode of Dumb Gay Politics. We love you guys. I know we say it every week but thank you so much for being here with us. The first three years we know there are some New People and we love you too but you guys are probably already sick of us. So imagine hanging around for three years are fourteen. Listeners have stuck by us on our learning curve which has included early Bernie bashing exhausting facebook rants offensive Ca Canada jokes jokes and a million other ignorant and annoying political mistakes for three years. There are people listening who have been around since the very first episode. 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NYT & WAPO: Russia interfering to help Trump in 2020 election

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

43:58 min | 5 months ago

NYT & WAPO: Russia interfering to help Trump in 2020 election

"Well Elizabeth Warren is finally been noticed again by the pundits. They pay attention last night with Warren will not be dropped from any future. Polls that include one on one match ups of the Democratic candidates with Donald Trump as she was this week in a poll that was otherwise useful. But I refuse to use the one on one matchup that didn't include Elizabeth Warren because it was preposterous as America. Now knows all the pollsters now no and they won't be making that mistake again. Elizabeth Warren will be joining us tonight later in the hour for an extended interview. But we begin tonight with another test of America's ability to be shocked by Donald Trump. Who has very deliberately shocked America to the point where he hopes that shock has been replaced by acceptance? The president is a Russian operative. That sounds like the description of a bad. Hollywood screenplay but it is real and it is Vladimir Putin's greatest achievement decades after America's victory in the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet Union. The president of the United States is now helping the president of Russia. Help the president of the United States to get reelected so that the president of Russia will have four more years of the president of the United States who he wants in the Oval Office. This is one of those shocking. Newsday's if you retain the capacity to be shocked in the trump era by the trump regime which might be better labeled the trump Putin regime and it's one of those breaking news situations that suddenly makes recent news make more sense like the recent news that Donald Trump has done himself by appointing one of the most ridiculous incompetent stooges in the trump administration to Bay. Nothing less than the acting director of National Intelligence. The president gave that job to his current ambassador to Germany. Richard Grenell who intends to remain ambassador to Germany. While being the acting director of National Intelligence and Richard. Grenell will be replacing. Joseph Maguire who was serving as an acting director of national. And he expected to be nominated by the president to be confirmed by Mitch. Mcconnell Senate as the official director of National Intelligence Until Vladimir Putin show Donald trump that he needed an even more incompetent director of national intelligence because Vladimir Putin is working hard to reelect his favorite president of the United States in history and Donald. Trump doesn't want the American intelligence community getting in the way of Letterman. Putin's help has intelligence. Officials did exactly one week ago in a briefing to the House. Intelligence Committee which we are just learning about tonight according to reports in the New York Times and the Washington Post Joseph Maguire's staff briefed the House Intelligence Committee on Russia's latest efforts to interfere in the presidential campaign to help Donald Trump. The Washington Post was first report president trump's reaction to intelligence officials following the law and briefing the House Intelligence Committee on Russia's latest attempts to help the trump campaign Washington Post reports trump erupted at his acting director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire in the Oval Office perceiving him and his staff as disloyal for speaking to Congress about Russia's perceived preference there was addressing. Down of McGuire said another individual. Aguire came away despondent the Washington Post and New York Times report that the intelligence briefing of the Committee by Joseph Maguire Staff led by Shelby Pearson became contentious with Republicans on the committee arguing against the intelligence findings that were being presented to the committee according to Washington Post. One member of the committee violated the committee's Secrecy Rules and told Donald Trump about the briefing Washington. Post says trump learned about Pearson's remarks from Representative Devon Nunez. The committee's ranking Republican and a staunch trump ally said one person familiar with the matter. Trump's suspicions of the intelligence community have often have often been fueled by Nunez who was with the president in California on Wednesday when he announced on twitter that Grenell would become the acting director officials said a spokesman for Nunez did not respond to requests for comment and now the acting director of National Intelligence. Richard Grenell will probably or surely the operating under a direct order from the president not to reveal to the House and Senate intelligence committees as is required by law. What Vladimir Putin is doing to help Donald Trump get re elected? That is what the American presidency has become tonight. That is where this country is tonight. Donald Trump is operating in the White House in conjunction with Vladimir Putin to hide what flammer Putin is doing to help Donald Trump get re elected. Donald trump is a Russian operative if tonight's reporting by the Washington Post and the New York Times is true and everything else we know about. Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin indicates that it is true. Did you want president trump to win the election? And did you direct any of your officials to help him do that. Also because he talked about bringing the US Russia relationship back to normal Russia's interference in the two thousand sixteen election to help Donald trump has been proved far beyond a reasonable doubt and Donald trump was not president in two thousand sixteen. Donald Trump did not have the kind of powers he has now to actively help. The president of Russia helped re elect the president of the United States. This is a darkly momentous event in the history of this country in the history of this World Vladimir Putin has become Donald Trump's running mate once again leading off our discussion tonight is democratic congressman. Jim Hines of Connecticut. Easing member of the House. Intelligence Committee Carson himes. What can you tell us about this meeting last week? That's being reported in the Washington. Post Manure Tante Lawrence. I can't tell you anything about the meeting as you know I. I'm not at liberty to discuss Classified information that is conveyed to the Congress What I can tell you and I and I can't emphasize enough. How important it is that people understand this. It almost doesn't matter what happened in the meeting. If the reports are true that the president dressed down and fired the senior intelligence official in the United States. Admiral McGuire because of something that Maguire's people may or may not have told the committee. The American need to understand that there are a very small number of people myself included on the House and in the Senate who oversee and provide oversight of the Intelligence Committee and might get told if there were election interference and now the signal has been sent to the very highest levels of the intelligence community. That just like the Justice Department. You're in the service. Not of the Constitution the United States or in the National Security United States. You are in the service of President Donald Trump. And if you don't understand that look what just happened to McGuire so lawrence. What needs to happen right now. Is that Maguire? And anyone else. Who is in? That room needs to come forward and they can't do a mattis can't do a John Kelly and feel some sense of loyalty to their former boss. These people need to come forward because what we're talking about is one of the cornerstones of our Democratic Republic. What do you mean by come forward well if it is true? That Maguire was dressed down by the president because his people made it presentation to the Intelligence Committee. Mcguire needs to speak up right now and tell the world that that is what happens now. I suspect McGuire wasn't alone in the room when that happened so again if it happened the people who were there you know can't hold their tongues because the compromise of the intelligence community to be compromised in the service of the political aims of president trump. I mean that isn't even democracy. We're talking about Noriega Panama. We are talking about you. Know Putin's Russia. We are talking about something. That dictatorial regimes do so again. If the story is true it is time for Mr McGuire to come. Forward and say here is what happened. Who are you allowed to discuss That that meeting with. Can you discuss it with members of the Senate Intelligence Committee? Can you discuss it with Obviously other members of your own committee but then more importantly could you if you decide if you wanted to just go discuss it with someone in the administration for example. The president of the United States as the Washington Post is reporting Devon. Nunez did Washington Post is reporting the Devon as took the information from that meeting and went straight to the president of the United States. Is that legal? That's a really good question. We all signed affidavits that say we will not disclose classified information to somebody who is not authorized to receive it so yes. I can discuss that with other people who are authorized to receive it. If Mr Nunez wanted to make the case that he was authorized to talk to the President United States about it as a purely legal matter. Maybe that's not a problem. But as a constitutional matter and remember the constitution sets up the Congress to act as a check on the power of the president. It is a it is a moment of constitutional crisis and Lawrence. I don't know if your reporting this but other outlets are reporting that joining Ambassador Grenell at the at the very top of the intelligence committee is a former. Apparently if the press reports are to be believed is a former staffer of Devon Nunez an individual by the name of Cash Patel who has an interesting and rich history with respect to acting in defense of the president he too apparently is moving to the very top of the office of the Director of National Intelligence. So what we have here and you know we don't need to get into detail about Ambassador Grenell. All we need to know is that he has precisely zero experience in intelligence And he is now being joined by one of Devin. Nunes is operatives in the highest position that exists in the United States intelligence community also joining our discussion. I was ned prices. A former CIA analyst the former senior director and spokesperson for the National Security Council in the Obama Administration. He's an MSNBC national security contributor. Ned How will the staff a in the intelligence community react to this? They now have not only a president who is an intelligence risk which is to say a risk of being in possession of intelligence information. They have now a director of National Intelligence. The very top of the intelligence pyramid is now a risky place to deliver information. We know Lawrence a former intelligence professional to me. There was one particularly disturbing element to this story. And frankly it wasn't the crux of it. It wasn't the central allegation that the Russians are back in twenty twenty. That trump wants to keep that hidden because in many ways we've always known that would be the case that it was the most predictable element of the story. President trump has in many ways left the door open for the Russians volume one and volume two of the Miller report documented. How is president? He tried to cover his tracks. I it during his time in office and we fully expect he'll try and do the same again. As president is a former intelligence professional. What was even more disturbing to me was buried in the New York. Times story that there was the notion circulating among among presumably some senior intelligence officials that. Perhaps this briefing's shouldn't go forward at all or if it did go forward that it should be shaded a little bit and perhaps it shouldn't be given in such stark terms so as not to engender president trump's ir that goes against everything that I learned everything that I knew everything that I practice At during my time at the CIA it goes against the maximum of speaking truth to power. A Maxima Dictum that I know remains near and dear to the heart of so many of my former colleagues But going back to the core allegation about the Russians. There's also a national security implication here. We know that the best antidote to Russian propaganda to the Russian covert influence campaign that we can fully expect to unfold in the coming months is public attribution that say naming and shaming and it needs to come from the intelligence community. We need a clear and unequivocal statement from our national security leaders. Similar to what we had in two thousand sixteen about a month before the election but even more prominent even on a larger scale To make clear to the American people. What's going on and make clear that this is a foreign actor. This is not organic to our political system if there is this inclination on the part of the intelligence community if Donald Trump's campaign of intimidation and de Legitimization of our intelligence community is working and they feel weakened in anything but emboldened. I fear that we aren't going to have that. And I fear that the Russians will have much freer rein to go forward with the campaign. Would himes Can Your Committee US Oversight Authority of the Intelligence Community To investigate exactly what is going on here. Yes we can. Of course we can. But as ned points out you know at the end of the day we are at the mercy of the intelligence community in terms of what we see. We don't have the resources. We don't have inspectors who can just knock on the door at CIA or NSA. And say I need to see this? We are at the mercy of the intelligence community to come forward and say You know as as the The general counsel of the deny did with respect to the whistle blower win. There was some question about whether we were ever going to get the whistle blower complaint on the Ukraine call. It was an a senior employee of the of the DNA who came forward to the Congress. We rely on that happening. And that's why this is so scary. If in fact there are senior officials in the intelligence community who are debating whether Congress should see this or not because it may irritate the president and by the way. This is not the first time we've heard this allegation Lawrence. There has been buzz out there. That the intelligence community has been unhappy with the prospect of doing an open hearing on international threat. Something that we've done year in and you're out because they are afraid of that something that they might say may contradict Belief of the President. And so we are seeing the possibility here that senior levels as ned price points out there may be at least consideration taken of what. Congress gets to see now. The optimistic and good news here is that I know these professionals very very well and you know. Our intelligence community is comprised of Patriots of people. Who could be doing lots of other things? That are that where they would be making much more money and be a lot safer but they care about their country so I do think that in the end people inside the intelligence community if they sent that the community is being used as a political tool the president. They will come forward. They will come. Through forward is whistle blowers they will come forward not as whistleblowers and tell that story But this is just not a moment. This is nuts not a stress that should be put on what is an organization that is essential to our national security cars with Jim. Himes NED price. Thank you both for your guidance on this important story tonight. I really appreciate it and when we come back. Roger Stone became the latest friend of Donald Trump longtime friend to be sentenced to prison today. Roger Stone was convicted of lying to Congress obstruction of justice and witness tampering in the investigation of Vladimir Putin's interference in the two thousand sixteen presidential election and he was sentenced on the day. We discover very clearly. Just how much Vladimir Putin is doing it again hybrid. When it's Chris Matthews this week on my podcast so you want to be president. I talk with Pulitzer Prize. Winning historian Jon Meacham and former Marilyn Congresswoman Donna Edwards about winning campaigns. That make on the spot calls that put candidates on the right side of history search for a. Wouldn't it be present wherever you're listening right now and subscribe as we were just discussing? Donald Trump's running mate Vladimir Putin during the last segment Janet and Martin Sheen texted me. I can't see it. Maybe you can see a bumper sticker that a friend of theirs has already made up saying trump Putin twenty twenty. Yeah you can see it here. You go straight for Malibu from Janet and Martin. Shane thank you Martin. Thanks for watching. So after his longtime friend and political operative Roger Stone was to forty months in prison today. Donald Trump said this. He's saying what he was asked if he was going to pardon Roger Stone Donald Trump thinks. He proved he's not dumb by saying this. I'm following this very closely and I want to see it play out to its fullest because Roger has a very good chance of exoneration in my opinion but I'm not gonNA do anything in terms of the great powers bestowed upon President of the United States. I want the process to play out. I think that's the best thing to do because I'd love to see Roger. Exonerated jared has now Glenn Kirschner former federal prosecutor. Msnbc LE- LE- legal analyst. He attended the Roger Stone's sentencing today and the trial Glenn So the president wants the process to play out a what is left in the process. The only thing left is for the judge to rule on an outstanding motion. It's emotion for a new trial. But you know what Lawrence I was in the courtroom on Tuesday when they had a teleconference and all the parties everybody in the courtroom could hear what was being discussed and at that point. Judge Amy. Berman Jackson. Said you know what? I've got the new trial motion from the defense. I have also looked at. I skimmed the government's opposition. The prosecution's opposition. I think we can proceed to sentencing. You don't have to read between the lines there to realize the judge Jackson was saying she will deny the motion for a new trial. However here's the disappointing part of today's proceedings. She sentenced Roger Stone to forty months in prison but then she let him walk the front doors of the courtroom rather than having the US marshals. Take him back to the dock to begin serving his sentence. She did that because she wanted to resolve the new trial motion before she ordered him into confinement. We don't know quite when that will happen. And I think the open question is will he set foot inside a prison before Donald Trump pardons him I think that is about a fifty fifty proposition at this point. Well Glenn couldn't be part of the judges thinking today that if I send him to prison right now Donald Trump will intercept him in effect on the way and then this case will never reach that final resolution where she gets to rule on this final Kind of appeal point at the trial level before trying to take it to an appeals court. But could that be part of her thinking that? I WANNA be able to complete this this trial procedure and sentencing procedure. Here get it in the record complete then pronounced the sentence with the anticipation that Donald Trump might intercept of. The you know Roger Stone on the way to prison. Yeah absolutely she might want to tie up. This one last loose legal end deny the motion for new trial order his sentence to commence of course at that point. Donald Trump will have the opportunity to weigh in but Lawrence. I love when the President says I'd like to see Roger Stone exonerated and I may have to exercise the powers of the presidency to make that happen based on. What Judge Amy Berman Jackson said? Today there is no way that a presidential pardon could be viewed by any rational person as an exoneration because after she surveyed all of the incriminating evidence that made it crystal clear that Roger Stone was guilty of these seven federal felonies. She then said Roger Stone what you did was a cover up on behalf of the president so based on the fact that a federal court put that on the record there is no way. Donald Trump can righteously hard and Roger Stone. It will be a corrupt act if he undertakes so the president of the United States. Who is getting help from Vladimir Putin and his reelection campaign is publicly considering a pardon for a guy who's convicted of covering up for the president of the United States involving communication about Vladimir Putin helping him get elected in twenty. That's where we are. Glenn that's where we are. And as Steve Bannon of all people testified at the Roger Stone Trial Roger Stone was the trump campaign's access point his term to wikileaks. And Julian. Assange as you say Lawrence this is where we are encouraged your. Thank you very much for covering that trial being in the courtroom today bringing you report to us and I really appreciate it. Thank you Lawrence when we come back Elizabeth Warren picked a good night to dominate. It a debate. Because last night's debate had the largest audience of any Democratic presidential primary debate in history. That's next hey it's Chris as this week on my podcast. Why is this happening? I'll be talking with the hilarious and brilliant writer Daniel lavery about his new book about life as a Trans man growing up and Evangelical Household. And the thing that I was so grateful to all these trans people in my life. Four was this like we have all tried this. No one will ever be able to tell you to your satisfaction if you are you aren't you can try to chase that dragon but there will not be that moment so you can investigate these questions further. You can consider the options that are available to you. You don't have to do anything if not doing something becomes unbearable to you. You can try something but it really is. You will have to the person who makes that. Call this week on. Why is this happening search for? Why is this happening? Wherever you're listening right and subscribe just when you thought voters might have seen enough. Last night's presidential debate the ninth in the series got the largest audience in the history of Democratic presidential primary debates. Nearly twenty million people watch last night's debate on MSNBC AND NBC and none of the thirteen point five million streams which means that Bloomberg's debut as a presidential debate was seen by a giant audience. And Elizabeth Warren's breakout performance dominating. That debate was seen by a giant audience which then delivered a record fundraiser night and day for her campaign which has raised more than five million dollars over the last twenty four hours. The debate was held in Las Vegas Nevada. Three days before Nevada will hold. Its caucuses on Saturday. But the debate played to audiences in several other states where people already have their mail in ballots on their kitchen tables many of which were probably filled out. After last night's debate early voting has already begun in delegate rich states of California and Texas over million ballots in California have already been sent in early. Voting is already underway in nine other states which is part of why? Last night's debate was so intense race for president if winning the race for Senate in Minnesota translated directly to becoming President. I would have grown up under the presidency of Walter Mondale. I wish everyone is perfect is. Up But let me tell you what. It's like to be in the arena. I'd like to talk about who were running against. A billionaire who calls women fat broads and Horse Taste Lesbians and no. I'm not talking about Donald Trump. I'm talking about Mayor Bloomberg. We're not going to throw out capitalism. We tried that other countries tried that was called Communism and it just didn't work. I'm the only one in. This state is actually got it done on healthcare joining US richer smart president. Ceo of voter Latino she's MSNBC contributor and Jason Johnson politics editor at the root dot com and professor of politics and media at Morgan State University. He is an MSNBC political analyst. Maria Theresa a the not only did the contributions come in. We don't know how many votes got mailed in today in various states because the answer was in last night's debate for voters who are wondering who to vote for it. That's exactly right and I think that I was inside the debate hall last night and I have to tell you that that was the first time where I felt and I think the people around me as well felt made it feel so tense. The stakes were so high and people and the candidates were definitely talking going at each other but I do also think that for folks that were that were tuning in for the very first time wanting to see who their candidate was. I think they may have found a favorite but I think they have many of them. And this is what I'm hearing. Lawrence many of them also felt kind of a little a little taken aback by it. Because it got so dirty and I think that the candidates missed an opportunity to talk about really the essential crisis that we have when it comes to someone like Donald Trump. Stay in the White House and that was an opportunity that for people that are tuning in nineteen million viewers to tune in to drop everything into say. What is the state of our politics? We should have used that opportunity to remind them what Donald Trump disc absolutely did the week before when he was trying to compromise the Department of Justice. People aren't tuning in every single day. We're not having these conversations every day. I like you and I are Lawrence. And they're looking for that type of leadership to remind us that it's not about the details of politics but it's very much the direction of our country and our democracy Jimmy Johnson each one of those people on that stage certainly wants to make that argument that Maria Theresa was just making but to do it in the general election they first of all have to beat everyone else on that stage right and that's the value of last night. We have plenty of time to talk about. What a terrible person. Donald Trump is. Because he's going to keep doing terrible things but last night was critical for everybody on state to remind people especially heading into Super Tuesday and this weekend and South Carolina why they should be the nominee. It's not just that almost one thousand nine people over nineteen million people watched last night Lawrence they were literally viral videos and memes of Elizabeth Warren. Taking down Mike Bloomberg that had two and three million hits before the night was over. This was probably the debate that most people saw and more importantly if you really break it down almost like a basketball game only exciting in the first quarter. Most people really only watch the first half hour of debate so I think this was an amazing night for Elizabeth Warren. Because if that's the only thing people took from it she was no longer erase. She was no longer ignore actually looked like a functional candidate. I don't know what impact this is going to eventually have on Nevada. I am sure that the people caucusing for her. We'll be a lot more enthusiastic. The latest polls coming out of South Carolina suggests that Joe Biden's leaders probably increasing down the line in Super Tuesday fates and infusion of five million dollars after one day of fundraising has to be beneficial for somebody like Mike Bloomberg. Who's going to have to debate again in five days? He's going to have to realize it. Look spending three hundred million dollars on. A campaign is great but viral video showing you being taken down for being a sexist possibly misogynist guy. That's not necessarily going to be. You can't necessarily buy your way out of that interesting. Kamara Jason Johnson. Thank you both for joining us. Elizabeth Warren is here. Well not here. I'm in New York. She's in Las Vegas. She's standing by senator. Warren will be our next guest debate. Prep for Democratic presidential candidates includes preparing to take on Senator Elizabeth Warren but it is much more difficult to prepare candidates to deal with former law professor and attorney Elizabeth Warren. He has gotten some number of women dozens. Who knows to sign nondisclosure agreements both for sexual harassment? And for gender discrimination in the workplace. So Mr Mayor. Are you willing to release all of those women from those nondisclosure agreements? So we can hear their side of the story. We have a very few nondisclosure agreements. How many finish. How many none of them accused me of doing anything other than maybe they didn't like can joke. I told us now Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. She's a candidate for president of the United States. Senator thank you very much for joining us tonight. We really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. It's always good to be with you. I WanNa go to something that I think might surprise the audience but not necessarily if they were watching. Msnbc because after all of that after you after your first comment in the debate was aimed straight at of Mike Bloomberg and things that he's been quoted as saying horrible things have been quoted as saying about women in the past after everything we just saw there and much much more during the final commercial break of the debate when the commercial was up on the screen there was a little square box at the bottom of the MSNBC screen and we could see you and Mike Bloomberg having what appeared to be a very pleasant very civil conversation for the entire length of that commercial after all those punches had been thrown during the previous hour and a half. What was that conversation about it so I was actually going to stay at my little podium there and make a couple of notes and think about what I wanted to say at the end because I don't I don't write this in advance. I kind of see the debate unfolded and The mayor turned to me and asked me where I was born. And so I started talking to him about that and He isn't very familiar with Oklahoma. So I told him a little bit about Oklahoma and we talked a little about Oklahoma and by the way politically The mayor has already dropped. I think at six million dollars in Oklahoma it's a super Tuesday state and It was for me a reminder that This is the guy who's now dropped four hundred million dollars to buy that spot on the stage and whose basic argument is that he should be president because he can spend another four hundred million dollars if that's what democracy is about then we're in real trouble running our arrogant billionaire against their arrogant billionaire. That's just going to be in America. That's going to work even better for billionaires and not for everyone else so you know we're out there I'm raising money I think the right way to do this. It's grassroots up not just Reach in your pocket and not suck up to billionaires. I don't spend my time behind closed doors with billionaires so every time I get a chance I say to people if you think that's the right way to run a campaign please go to Elizabeth Warren Dot Com and pitch in five bucks or ten bucks or whatever you can because this is about our democracy and it's about how we're going to pick a nominee this going to represent all the Democrats when we go into battle against Donald Trump. I can win that battle but I'm going to need help to do it. I want to stay on that moment during the commercial break J- just for one more round here because it seems to me is one of the things we're watching in that as we saw two people really go at it in that debate. An unload everything you had that you thought was relevant that voters should know and Mike Bloomberg was trying to do the same thing but that but that when when that is when that's over in effector there's a break in it during the commercial break immediately. The both of you become human beings to each other and he's asking you where you're from and you're telling him about Oklahoma and he's from Medford place you know a not far from where you now live in Cambridge and and here are two human beings who disagree on a lot and disagree on a lot. That's important. Is there a lesson in that about how Americans can talk to each other across the gap of disagreement? No that's a really interesting question because for me. As as you know as many differences were represented on that stage ultimately. I believe that people get into the presidential candidacy because they love their country and they believe they have something to offer. You know we were a much bigger field as you know when this all started and one of the things that really struck me. As people dropped out of the race couldn't couldn't stay in the race. I was struck by two things. The first was how many people with really good ideas really with unique voices something special to bring to it We're forced out of the race and forced out of it because of money. But my what I did is I tried to pull as many of those people or at least as many of their staffers as many of their volunteers as many of their good ideas as possible into my own. Race recognizing yeah we were running against each other but Kamla Harris has just a really really terrific idea on how to protect women's reproductive freedom just first rate so after she dropped out I asked her. I called her and said how would you feel if I folded that into what I'm doing? I'll give you full credit. Kirsten gillibrand terrific plan on paid family. Leave as it. Kirsten how would you feel if I bring her? Said that scrape Julia on Castro? Who has great stuff on a pre K? Three and four years bid part of what he focuses on. Hulu on and I worked together in fact totally on and I worked together and Hooghly on endorsed me as out on the trail for me but to me. That's the heart of how we need to be expanding our Democratic Party as we go forward we need to make a place for everybody in the Democratic Party. Who's fighting from the heart? Let's make this happen. Let's make it happen together book. It's the reason I think I've got the best chance to beat Donald Trump. Because I speak to all the parts of the party are run on things. We can agree on as Democrats and frankly things that Republicans like. Let's make that happen. That's how we'RE GOING TO BRING DOWN DONALD TRUMP senator. You just rattled off some good ideas from some of your democratic previous Democratic nomination. What's Mike Bloomberg's best idea that he should contribute a lot of money to help? Democrats get elected and he should take his ego off the stage. He doesn't belong there. Can You? And if Mike Bloomberg wins this nomination at the convention can you endorse him? Support Him Campaign for him absolutely. I will support Democratic nominee period. Anyone on that stage would make a better president than Donald Trump and I will fight for our Democratic nominee. I think that Mike Bloomberg is a really risky nominee for America. A man who's got that kind of history with women and knowing it's all out there and right now the only reason we don't get to hear those stories is because of nondisclosure agreements and did you hear the mayor's response on that he said well you know it was just. I got accused of telling some off. Color jokes really. You paid money to keep people from being able to talk about your jokes. I gotTa tell you I don't think so. And what's going to happen? Is those stories are going to keep unfolding and look the. Republicans may have been willing to nominate someone who was terrible with women but I just don't think the Democrats are going to do that. I don't think that's who we are as a party. And if we don't have strong support from women in the Democratic Party. Let's go to make it that much harder to beat. Donald Trump for US Bloomberg is just too risky. We simply cannot have as Democratic nominee. Senator to squeeze in a break here if you can stay with us when we come back. I'd like it action to the breaking news of the night about the president's I guess outrage that the intelligence community is actually obeying the law and telling the House Intelligence Committee what Flavor Putin is up to the election and apparently Vladimir Putin doesn't want you to be president. I'd like to ask you about that on the other side of this break. We'll be right back with Senator Elizabeth Warren Senator Elizabeth. Warren is back with us. Senator as you know the breaking news of the night is that Washington Post New York Times reporting that president trump basically fired an acting director of national intelligence and replaced him with the current ambassador to Germany because the president was outraged that the director of National Intelligence is staff followed the law and the legal requirement to brief the House Intelligence Committee on what Vladimir Putin is doing in the current election campaign and what was revealed to the Intelligence Committee. Big Surprise Vladimir Putin is once again working to try to help Donald Trump get reelected as president your reaction to the situation and what if anything Congress can do about it so look. Let's let's start with the basics. Here you know one party in America treats voting is sacred something that all American citizens should have access to and that we stand behind. Whatever that vote reveals. But we want to see everybody for years now decades now the other political party the Republicans have figured out that by keeping people from voting by finagling with voting by having a political gerrymandering they could undercut voting over and over and over and that really has become pretty much their official position. They think they win. If a bunch of people don't vote or don't get their votes counted and now we watch Russian interference. I said on Senate Armed Services Committee. Let's face it. This is a national security threat. If Americans come to conclude that the result of an election any election is not true. That is it is not really based on what how Americans voted. Then that undercuts. Our democracy at cuts undercuts our whole notion that we live in a country of majority rule and that we all get together. We voted and that's what we decide on at that person and we get behind them so this really matters and on Senate Armed Services Committee. We were briefed starting right after the two thousand sixteen election about Russian interference and basically the Republicans. Just didn't want to hear this didn't WanNa hear it didn't want to do anything over and over and over. We have pushed on this to the point of pushing bills. That Mitch McConnell refused to bring to the floor causing many people to call Moscow Mitch because he's helping Russia by not protecting our voting system. So here's how I see what we can do right now can do what. We're doing this minute. Keep talking about it. Keep raising keep putting pressure on Mitch. Mcconnell and the Republicans because they are the ones who are stalling. They are the ones who are trying to keep us from protecting our voting system fully. That's part number. One part number two is we've got to remember. There are a lot of good people in government. Yeah there are these political appointees at the top and yeah they got a lot of power but there are a lot of good people in this government who are trying to keep the systems operating in operating fairly. We need to remember that and we need to support him in this effort in the third thing. Democrats got to win in November twenty twenty and when I say they got to win they can't win by a little bit. They gotta win by a lot because we really gotta come over those walls and then once we get there we gotta clean up our voting system to make sure it is more secure than Fort Knox. We've got absolutely snake. Sure it has locked down way I see it. We want every American citizen vote and to get that vote counted that becomes a primary responsibility of government. And you wouldn't be surprised to hear this. I have a plan for that. You'LL SEE IT ELIZABETH WARREN DOT com. Go look up the democracy plan. It's a great one senator. We're tight or get less than a minute. Left a what. I'm hearing from voters in California. Millions of whom have their mail in ballots at home right now. They're trying to decide between Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. What's the single policy point or the single point? You would argue to them in making that decision real stuff done. I have rock solid values and I can't stuff done. I get hard stuff done. I fought for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau got that thing enacted and set it up over the space of a year. I can work across the when I need to. I've got a big hearing a bill that I got through wild. Donald trump was president. Got Through on a bipartisan basis. And next year people are going to be able to buy hearing AIDS over the counter. Save millions of dollars. I don't want to be president. Just yell at People. I want to be president to change things. That's why I'm going. There presidential candidate Senator Elizabeth Warren. Thank you very much for joining us again tonight. We really appreciate. Thanks for having Me Elizabeth Warren. Tonight's last word. We eat to live but food is so much more than that. I'm Andrew Zimmer chef world traveler and host of a new series on. Msnbc ME as I explore our country looking at the biggest social and political questions of the day through the Lens of food. This week see how climate change is impacting. The food on our plates from fields to fisheries. Our climate is in crisis. How is the climate crisis affecting the food? We eat find out on the next episode of what's eating America Sunday at nine pm Eastern only on MSNBC.

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"This week with George Stephanopoulos starts right now. Impeachment enters the nets fame's as president trump. Decries the fast-moving inquiry impeachable impeachment trump's legal team and find it to the next round of public hearings as the house. Intelligence Committee prepares to release. Its report worked the latest this morning with two members of the House Judiciary Committee where impeachment moves next and the president intervenes in three war crimes cases. It is the commander in chief undermining military justice and sending the wrong message about what it means to serve. We talked to military veterans on both all sides of this debate. You think the president did the right thing plus our powerhouse. Roundtable takes on the state of the twenty twenty race from ABC News this week here. Now Koelliker Martha Raddatz Good Morning and welcome to this week. It's been just over over a week since those blockbuster impeachment hearings and tomorrow Democrats will take another important step in the high speed high stakes impeachment inquiry. The House Intelligence Committee is set to release its report to its members. Monday ahead of the first public hearings in the Judiciary Committee Wednesday. It's the Judiciary Committee which is tasked with drawing up articles of impeachment hear witness testimony from legal experts and ultimately deliberate eight. What may or may not constitute high crimes and misdemeanors? Trump's legal team has been invited to participate in those proceedings. But as of this morning has yet to issue a response for more. Let's bring in. ABC News chief legal analyst Dan Abrahams down. The intelligence committee is producing a report port based on their investigation including public testimony. They hand it to judiciary so explained judiciary's role and how they craft these potential articles of impeachment impeachment. We'll think of the intelligence committee as the investigators here as the police or the FBI would be a typical investigation. Where they they then hand over their findings their investigation their report prosecutors? The prosecutors here are in effect the House judiciary. What is your committee where they have to decide what charges are appropriate to move forward and they're going to evaluate this as a legal matter more so less us about the facts hear more about the quote unquote law but again remember when you're dealing in an impeachment? As opposed to a typical trial would would be viewed as the statutes etc become a little less important than exactly what the Judiciary Committee members decide is appropriate and and down Wednesdays. Judiciary Committee hearing will be the first opportunity for the White House. Legal team to participate in the impeachment inquiry is it to their advantage to show up or not. What do you think well? Typically you'd say yeah of course. So why wouldn't they. A show up they demanded to be part of the process it Cetera but as a practical tactical matter. I'm not so certain that they are going to do that. Because look part of their defense here has been to de legitimize the process to effectively. Call it a circus in a hoax. And a sham that CETERA and they know that they've got Republicans who were on that committee who were going to do their bidding for them. So there's a real chance dance here that they'll say you know what we're not going to be involved. We're not going to have a lawyer. Come you guys go ahead and deal with this but knowing that they have the Republicans on that committee committee who will be asking the sorts of questions making the sort of comments that they would have made anyway and finally down. We saw a federal court ruling this week saying former White House counsel Don mcgann has to comply with the subpoena from Congress over the Muller Probe. So not necessarily about Ukraine but legally what could that re ruling mean for former former National Security Adviser John Bolton Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney having to eventually testify if you read the ruling it would seem team to apply to them their arguments about why this may be different than those cases. Remember what that case was. and wasn't that's the case ace about immunity. Meaning that saying that Don mcgann has to show up A. That doesn't tell us exactly what he would have to testify about. And then you say the same think about Bolton and Mulvaney even if they have to show up. The immunity argument isn't valid. They're still going to be fights over exactly what they should have to testify testify or not. Okay thanks very much Dan and joining me now is democratic congresswoman Val demings. She serves on both both the house. Intelligence and judiciary committees overseeing the impeachment hearings and congresswoman. We know the Intelligence Committee will send its impeachment report to the Judiciary Additionally Committee Berry shortly do expect firm recommendations and we'll all the supporting evidence be included. Well Good morning and I do believe that. All evidence certainly will be included in that report so The Judiciary Committee can make the necessary. Decisions is that they need to as you know this. We will begin the very critical process of hearing from constitutional experts to really lay out the ground for impeachment of the president so as we From the intelligence community turned over committee turned over that report to judiciary. We still have a lot of work to do. And we know the witnesses. For Wednesday's hearing will be legal experts on impeachment any sense of how many future future hearings your committee will hold and you expect any fact witnesses to be called or recall from the Intelligence Committee's proceedings. Well all we have not really made the decision on future hearings are future witnesses yet. I think our main focus right now is to have the president and and his council who are given the same privileges as president. Nixon and President Clinton had to participate and engage in this impeachment. Process says even to the point of if we have any executive sessions on the Judiciary Committee. They're invited to participate. So we're certainly hoping that the president His Council will take advantage of that opportunity if he has not done anything wrong. We're certainly anxious to hear his explanation of that. Have you gotten any indication. The White House will be involved or council. We have not as you may know chairman. Nadler's Adler sent a letter. I know they've been conversations with the White House counsel but they sent a letter just again inviting the president making sure or that he and his council or where the opportunities to fully engage and participate in this process. We're certainly hoping that he will as I said. Take advantage of that opportunity and as I just talked about with Dan you have them again. Ruling which could affect Bolton mulvaney important witnesses. Why not wait to see if they eventually could testify? Well what we have requested or documents from the witnesses this is that you have just mentioned the State Department Chief of Staff We want to have those documents to review those documents that will help to lead need any interview or testimony from those participants as you. Well know they have not been willing to obey lawful subpoenas that have been issued. And Look. We're not gonNA play any games with them. The American people are not going to. I think tolerate any games if they're serious about obeying lawful subpoenas knows than they need to respond to the request for documents and then obey those losses subpoenas but but couldn't their accounts be critical to understanding. What's happening again? Why not why not wait well as I said They have not been willing to really comply I with lawful subpoenas. They want to what I believe is to play a political game and tied the process in the courts as long as they and run the clock out. We're not willing to play that game. We have requested documents those documents as you well know of critical and very valuable to the worked before us and so if they comply with the document requests I believe it shows a good faith effort on their part to further cooperate operate with the inquiry in Congresswoman. You've seen all the facts and evidence laid out on the impeachment hearings but no witness has personally tested that the president accident directly conditioned the release of military aid on investigations into his political opponents. Does that missing element really undermined the democratic argument. Let me tell you the best witness the most effective the most valuable witness that we have is the president of the United States himself would presidents Alinsky on July twenty fifth on the infamous. Call mentioned the fact that he was about ready to purchase additional national weapontry. President trump responded. But I need you to do me a favor though and then went into what the conditions will be. We know that. What every witness that? We've talked to none of the witnesses that we've talked to who have been directly involved or not. Were able to give any reasonable rational national explanation for holding up the military aid and we do know that the aid was only released. After congressional committees started asking questions and the whistle blower came forward. And let's go back to that phone call. Given the president was ultimately unsuccessful in the quid pro quo as Republicans argue the Ukrainians never oppose the investigation the aid ultimately flowed and trump met with the UN should Democrats consider a censure censure instead of the drastic step of impeachment. Well you're going to make me go back to my law enforcement experience. I had an opportunity in twenty seven years. Here's the deal with a lot of people who attempted to rob a bank attempted to burglarize a house attempted to carjack an individual. We didn't say well. Since you weren't successful we caught you. We weren't you weren't successful so just let you go and forget it. No we have an obligation given to us is by the Constitution. I know it's one that the American people want us to uphold and we're going to do the work for the fact that the fact that that the president got caught in the act does not relieve him of being held accountable for the wrongdoing that he has engaged encouraged when you talk about public opinion. Public opinion on support for impeachment has not increased through the hearing process. There's not a single house. Republican Publican to join the Democrats in this. So how do you really move forward given what you said about the public. Well let me say you know we're going to do the word before us just like a law enforcement officer. I never took a poll before I lived up to my responsibilities responsibilities based on the oath that I took I have been extremely troubled and disappointed by the behavior of my colleagues on the other side of the Al many of them. I work on committees with. I've worked on other legislation with I know them. I have the utmost respect for them but their refusal to hold this president accountable and to clearly go into their partisan corner and protect this president at any and all costs is troubling to me and I believe is troubling to the American people. Thank you so much for joining us this morning congresswoman demings thank you for the GOP response. Let's bring in Judiciary Committee member Congressman. Tom McClintock congressman. Have you you heard whether the president's lawyers plan to participate in the judiciary. Committee's first impeachment hearing this week No I haven't I think it would be to the president's advantage vantage to have his attorneys there that his right But I can also understand how he is upset at the illegitimate process that we saw unfold in the intelligence committee The big questions going to be whether Jerry Nadler continues that into the Judiciary Committee hearings or whether he respects the due process rights of the president. Not only to be represented by council. But also to have the unrestricted right to call witnesses in his defense and to confront his accuser. So you think they should bring in lawyers. I think biggest disadvantages and also did send this letter asking whether the Republicans plan to issue subpoenas or issue. Any questions written questions will your. We're party do that. I expect that they will. In fact I I know the discussions are ongoing. is to the Witnesses we would like to call so you'll recall in the the Intelligence hearings Republicans asked for nine witnesses Adam Schiff vetoed six of those in in a free society. The prosecution Asian doesn't get to choose what witnesses the defense wishes to call and yet that's what's been going on the Intelligence Committee and again the question is going to be. Whether Jerry Nadler continues that sham in and the judiciary hearings when it goes to the Senate that's going to play a big role I think. In the Senate deliberations they I think will insist on full due process rights and that could blow up the the Democrats faces. And we've been talking about the mcgann decision here on morning. We know it is being appealed but if the courts rule in the future that senior officials like John Bolton Mick Mulvaney could testify. Do you believe they should absolutely in fact. I think it would be the president's advantage to having haven't testify now but of course he asked away that against the enormous catastrophic damage that would do to the doctrine of executive privilege that assures that When policy is being developed within the administration those discussions are unfettered? Are Candid are thinking. Outside of the box. That's why the doctrine of executive privilege exists exists So he's got to weigh those two elements and I I I understand why he's making the decision that he is to to defend that doctrine of executive privilege not only for his administration but for all future future administration. So by the way that's the discussions been going on since George Washington was subpoenaed documents in the Jay Treaty by the House. Back in seventeen ninety six. So you believe they should testify but not say much no I think it would be in his advantage to to to have them testify but again that would shatter the doctrine of executive privilege login. That's the question that he has to weigh in whether to invoke that privilege and what about testimony from the president's personal lawyer Rudy. Giuliani who Gordon. Sunland said was in the loop on everything. Should he testify well again. I think a more information is better than less in every aspect of an inquiry and and the adversarial process is very important to test. What's true and what's not my objection to what the Congress has done is it is? It is impeded the process by vetoing republican witnesses and by Interfering with the with the due process rights of the president and what is it quasi-judicial official proceeding and the New York. Times also reported this week. That the president knew about the whistleblower complaint in August before before he released the military aid in early September. which would mean? When trump spoke to Gordon sunland in September? He was well aware of what was going on. And so when he said there was no quid pro pro quo. He would have to have been aware of that complaint. What's your response to that? The implication is that this is an an admission of guilt because the president found out about the whistle blower complaint and then immediately released the aid. That's not what happened Several weeks went by before that aid it was released now remember under our Constitution. The president has sold authorities but he specifically mentioned there was no quid pro quo to some extent in that example. Right and they're going to be uncovering is track and among all of the testimony of the handpicked witnesses that the Democrats have heard for two weeks in public hearings. Not One not one was told that there was a quid pro quo The the only conclusions that they came to where supposition and impressions. They got reading the New York Times Times. But remember the President Conducts Foreign Policy. He's commanded to take care that the laws be faithfully enforced and the national defense authorization. ACT WHICH AUTHORIZED A to create in the first place requires that the administration determined. That country is taking steps to combat corruption before he releases the as is I really read his conversation with Zilenski. That's exactly what he was doing it. When when you defend the president and think about these hearings is there anything in your mind that the president did involving Ukraine? That is wrong or that concerns you in any way. Well he didn't. I use the delicate language of diplomacy in that conversation. That's true He also doesn't use this smarmy talk of politicians What you hear from I'm Donald? J trump is the blunt. Talk of Manhattan businessman. He says what he means. He means what he says. That's the only thing that's remarkable. But that that conversation but he was entirely within his constitutional authority and was following the statute that Congress adopted in granting aid to the Ukraine saying okay. We're going to have to leave it there. Thanks so much for joining us this morning. My pleasure thanks for having me. We said another stockbroker accused you saw the stock market. Just hit another all time in history. Hi many 401K's and John Everybody's get rich president trump repeatedly touting the economy after new record highs in the stock market last week an an unemployment remaining at historic lows but is a strong economy enough to boost trump to reelection twenty twenty. We asked five thirty eight thousand eight silver. Do you buy that. So the rule of thumb is that when the economy is good. The incumbent tends to win reelection and when it isn't he doesn't notably the last two incumbent the president's to lose Jimmy Carter and George H W Bush dealt with a recession late into their first terms. It's become a Cliche as James Carville. Put it. It's the economy stupid right now. The economy is summer between pretty good and very good depending on which indicators you look at. GDP has grown about two percent per year. which is close to average but the unemployment rate is just three point six percent basically lowest bent in fifty years it would seem to really well for president? Trump and indeed trump gets a lot of credit for voters for the economy. His approval rating on the economy is fifty two percent quite a lot better than his overall number which is closer to forty two. I spent a lot of time trying to mathematically model. The impact of the economy on elections and trump is actually a tricky case. Here's the complication. That big gap between the economy and trump's overall numbers means that a lot of other factors matter to voters also so everything from comes temperament to treatment of immigrants to the Ukraine scandal and the impeachment process. Those stories aren't going away anytime soon to put it another way. Maybe maybe that trump's cake is pretty baked voters take the good the bad and he's in a position where he's pretty borderline for reelection. If economy gets even better that probably we'll help trump's chances but of course it could get worse. Economists surveyed by The Wall Street Journal still assign about a thirty percent chance of a recession one. More thing all all this history might suggest that the more trump focuses on the economy the better off his reelection campaign. Be Think about Ronald Reagan and more in America focus however is not ordinarily early a term. That one might associate with this president. We woke up today still incredibly stunned and awed by the president's generosity. I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate. President trump and vice vice-president peds. I don't know how many times I think the president he keeps stepping in and doing the right things. I don't think he really understands. The full definition of a warfighter warfighter is a profession of arms and the profession of arms has standards that they have to be held to and they hold themselves to. That was Major Matt Goldstein. First Lieutenant Clint Lawrence and Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher. Three servicemembers war crimes cases prompted the unprecedented KRESA dented intervention of president trump. Eventually leading to the firing of the Navy Secretary Richard Spencer who also saw their issuing pardons is the legal right of the president. But wasn't the right thing to do. And what is the impact of the decision. President trump made. I sat down with three veterans to to discuss 'em Colonel Dave Lapan United States Marine Corps retired spent thirty four years. Total in the Marine Corps. Three deployments Afghanistan Iraq in Haiti. I'm Dr Kylian Hunter. I spent over a decade as a Marine Corps officer. I was a CO pilot with multiple deployments and hold a PhD from Joseph Cornell School of International Studies. Commander Kirk lippold. I was twenty six year Navy veteran serving on ages guided missile cruisers and destroyers culminating the commanding officer of USS Cole. When is attacked al-Qaeda terrace? I want to start with the quote from fired Navy Secretary Richard Spencer in an op-ed he said and this was a shocking and unprecedented intervention in a low level review was also a reminder that the president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military to fight ethically or to be governed by uniform set of rules and practices. You reaction to that so I agree on both points. I think that the president president did reach down into the chain of command into the military personnel system in an unprecedented way. And I think this is the latest list example that we've seen from the president that shows that he has very little to no understanding of the military that he professes to love in commander. I'm going to go to you on this. You you think the president did the right thing I think he did when I looked at the decision that he made while it was low level. You have to look at how the military justice system mm-hmm was performing that time and it was absolutely failing you had to have a prosecutor relieved. The president made it very clear that he was disappointed that the system was not working as it was. Does he wants to back the troops on the ground. This is very disconcerting in many ways to senior officers while it is unconventional. What Secretary Spencer for Said and how he said it was wholly inappropriate? It was actually made him see very petty after his relief. For 'cause firing by the President and Dr Hundred Year Reaction Asian. I think one of the things. That's very important to continue to think about with with this and the precedent that this is setting is the importance of morale and small unit leadership and rules of engagement are incredibly incredibly important system. That is put in place for a reason and the boots on the ground the individuals that are making that splits. Let's decision to take life or not take a life to pull the trigger or to not pull the trigger. Need to know that those rules are there for a reason and that they means something and a intervention that challenges or questions the way that these rules are being enacted the becomes troubling it sends some Some very concerning messages to what is a very very serious decision. I WANNA go to one of the president's tweets. He said we train our boys to be killing machines then prosecute them when they kill. It was an inappropriate statement. I think when you say something like that the president is not fully grasping. They are professionals that they do have a set of standards and rules that they need to follow and while they are trained to be ruthless killers. They do it within the bounds of of those rules in those rules of engagement. Doctor I want you to explain to people who don't know what what is good order and discipline about why that's so important and why it's so important that you have discipline and and in so many ways it is that moment when you can shoot or not shoot that the good order and discipline in comes to bear absolutely. I think everybody who who's here can speak to real life examples of where this became so important but in the military we are expected and were trained and we are required to do things that often go very counter to human nature. We run towards conflict. We we lean into it and that's not not something that's easy. It's not in our normal nature to to do it and so to do it and not devolve into the idea of being a a barbarian that takes a lot of training but it also requires that there are rules and constraints put in place. Colonel Pan you and I were together other in Fujian in two thousand five when when you were there and at one point. We were in a convoy and there was a civilian in Iraqi civilian. Who Approach that convoy and the governor in one of the Humvees at the fifty caliber weapon weapon opened fire? Likely killing that man. Those are those split-second decisions. They might hurt us so we should hurt them in that particular occasion. Our convoy was going down the street. Traffic had been stopped. All of a sudden a vehicle comes approaching around the vehicles that have been stopped. We wonder what's the intent. It appears to be a threat the soldier or the marine in this case in the vehicle reacts instantly because he has to so he took the shot again. I believe that the individual was killed. I believe we found out afterwards that it was just a driver that decided. He didn't want to wait and he made a bad decision. That may have ended his life. But those are the kinds of split-second decisions life or death and I think that's the key heat understanding why good order and discipline we talk about it but most people don't understand that. What effect will this have on our troops going forward word? And if you were a commander right now what would you say to them about. What just happened and these parties? I would sit there and I would say. The president made the decision. It was within his bound to do so. That is not going to change how we're going to train to do business if we have to go to the tip of the spear and defend this nation. If I'm a commander her I am going to still run my unit to that standard period. Because I know that I'm operating under the guidelines. The long view of history is going to support that and conductor hunter. Do you think this will affect troops long-term one of the things that I really worry about. This impacting really on on an individual usual level is the issues around. PTSD moral injury. Did I make the right decision at the time coming back from war having made decisions to pull the trigger hard you. It's something that I have. I have worked through and I think knowing that rules of engagement are meaningful knowing that we made the best decisions for ourselves and and for the people that are to the left and the right of us is something we need to continue to have confidence in and we owe it to those those young women and men and who are over there right now that they're making the right decisions this also divide the force. Yes we have. We have different opinions. rideshare I'm thinking the seal community and I'm thinking of the seals who who support gallagher says support him and a whole bunch of others who think it's it that should not have happened uh-huh and I think that's also one of the most harmful long term effects that you have is that good order and discipline rules of engagement. The chain of command both up and down also exists to unify us. And when there's when the mid military becomes politicised nothing good can come of it for long term Health of the military the military. Today I think unfortunately at the senior levels has become more politicized than it's ever been in our history and I think at the end of the day those troops on the ground those sailors out on those ships. They want to know that the chain of command has their back the divisiveness that we've seen People taking sides now More politicization of the military and and I'd say it's gone way down at the ranks it's beyond senior officers when you have again troops showing up at events with the president with mega hats. Commander in chief holds events for troops. But they're not supposed to be partisan events and I think the force now wonders and we see the divisiveness. That's happening because of these things that we've seen the Navy secretary fired over it. This president has often talked about how much he admires the military. How much he has done for the military? It's it's all about the strength of the military and I'd ask what these pardons have done to further that goal rather than making the military stronger. I think he's weak in the military and this ways will issue a pardon to appear very handsome birds. Butter at his alternate bread thankfully thankfully bread and butter have been specially raised by the Jackson. Sir remain calm under any condition which will be very important. Because they've they've already received subpoenas to appear in Adam Schiff space spent on Thursday. I should note that unlike previous witnesses uses you die have actually met President trump poking some fun there at the annual Thanksgiving Turkey. Pardon on Tuesday and the roundtable joins me now. ABC News Political Director recline fivethirtyeight senior writer. Perry Bacon Junior Washington examiner commoner chief congressional correspondent Susan Richaud and ABC News Political Analyst. Matthew Dowd great to have you all here happy Thanksgiving I'm going to start with recline. We have been talking about this impeachment process now transferring to the Judiciary Committee Tuchus through what you're hearing from each side and their strategy. How did you we heard a little bit of it from each side? But what are you hearing. Democrats view is now. Get it over and move on. They feel like they've made the case that they can make their. They've grown frustrated frustrated inside their conference about the inability to move public opinion the inability get any republicans to go along so the sense is they've got the votes that's not really going to change. They need to get this process. Ah says moving as quickly as possible. You see that in committee this week after the intelligence committee hand over documents the Judiciary Committee on the Republican side. You're hearing things like this process is rushed. It's hurried read. It's partisan political theater and their view on the Republican side is that the judiciary committee is a more fertile ground for them to play defense essentially by mocking the process. So I think their efforts are going to be to try to undermine the legitimacy of the investigation itself in Perez we know the Republicans have not broken rank over this at all with the president. Do you think that that continues to matter. Oh Man is absolutely because the Democrats walked started their own year. Saying impeachment should be bipartisan. We wanted bipartisan. That'll help move the public. And now how you seen so far is about four people support. Impeach removal about forty percent of people oppose it and that's basically what it was very similar to the numbers when we started this whole process process so basically we have three weeks of grew when he described his gripping and interesting and damaging to the president that essentially changed. No one's mind on this whole process in tech forty nine. Forty four is fairly close to who voted for Hillary voted for trump suggesting. I just think the Republican Party is not going to move into the elites or the voters away from President Trump. No matter what. The evidence is some sort of having a process. That isn't going to change anybody's mind is my impression and Susan do you. Do you get any sense of the Democrats. Think I think they made a mistake and phone through this no. I don't think they think they made a mistake but I think they are concerned that here they are in this process. We're we're heading into December now the polls are stagnant. They are worried that they're stuck on something. That could hurt them politically. So as Rick was saying let's move on quickly. Glee put this scenario view mirror. That's the idea that I'm hearing from Democrats in the hallways of Congress that we were hoping the polls will move a little bit. Nothing's really happened. What's is going to happen next? Are they gonNA take articles of impeachment if they do so they're going to send them to the Senate where there were certain to face a dismissal. It's not going to go anywhere so it doesn't sound like the Democrats are going to have any new witnesses other than these legal expert. Well we've got the DON mcgann testimony. That may be compelled by the courts. But that could take awhile now. Congress tends to win those fights over all over the years they have but it takes a long time and Democrats as to signal. They don't WanNa wait around in part because they'll drag. Yeah I got a process. That's not winning for them. Politically especially in these key swing districts where they have to watch for their vulnerable incumbent Democrat there in kind of a bind the Democrats here and and even if Bolton and Mulvaney were forced to testify they would probably not want that to happen given it would take so long. Well I think it would provide more theater but I agree. I said before all this started once. Once the impeachment of Donald Trump numbers went to forty nine or fifty. I didn't think no matter what happened. They would move much because we're in such a polarized time. Republicans Republicans are one hundred percent four. Donald Trump Democrats one hundred percent against him. There's a small amount of independent swing voters that sort of slightly switch. I never thought it would fundamentally move move. I think what the Democrats I don't think they're going to be hurt by this In in the end I think we're going to get through with. We'll have an impeachment. Vote on it. We'll get to a a Senate hearing. It will likely be dismissed as Susan said and then a week later two weeks later. We'll be on to something else. I do. Think that one of the things if you look at history. Is that when you ever you you have this political battle going on. It's never solved through through Congress ultimately the voters are going to have to come in and fix whatever they think's needs fixing so next November to me is ultimately the only fundamental way if People WanNa hold Donald Trump accountable. He will only only fundamentally be held accountable in an election. Next year in recovers I was GONNA turn to the two thousand twenty race anyway. The Democratic debate last week really almost felt like an afterthought compared to those impeachment Televised hearings the candidates. Do you want to talk about the issues. So how do they do this in this period where it is all about impeachment because it's a very critical time you can't fight it. I think the counter programming timing is delivering. What the perception is that voters want to hear from? They're not getting asked on the trail in Iowa New Hampshire South Carolina Nevada. They're not getting asked about impeachment. They don't WanNa talk about it because they don't really have much to add. It isn't an issue for them. I think though there's really not a good way for any of these campaigns to try to break through in this era this is going to be the overriding story and the Democratic primary is going to play out against that backdrop as Matthew says. This is all done by February march. We're not going to be voting all likelihood on impeachment next November. It's going to be a distant memory and they have to keep their eyes on the prize. But there's no doubt this is frustrating to some of those lower tier candidates who thought this is the time where everyone is going to be dialed into the primary campaign and Perry less. There was a marquette. pull out of Wisconsin. Showing all the major Democratic candidates Warren Biden Sanders. Buddha judge losing and head to head matches against against the President if Democrats move forward with with trying to remove the president. Switch it on this. I'm not of the view that we're gonNA take much early polls in the year before the election. I'm not sure come on. We want to see what's happening over. And I think we should be careful. Assume these early polls the raise itself as interesting and then we have these forefront winters. Buddha judge has very little minority support black. Latino Voters Biden Eastern Iowa New Hampshire Warren and Santa C.. To be to left by a Lotta the party. I can't remember a time where those four front runners but all have these big glaring obvious flaws and I'd rather be buying the other candidates. I think he's still the front runner but this is a really uncomplicated race. And I can't tell what's going on and the polls are moving a lot and it's a really interesting race. I think any of those four could win. A four could do really could face explain as well. I think I see this. Also a week of the Quinnipiac despite you not wanting to look at these early polls couldn't agree with you more than that. It's not really indicative of what will happen later but if you look at that national poll out this week that shows footage addressing second place Elizabeth Warren falling a bit to feel seems to still obviously be fluid. Louis but Joe Biden keeps hanging on to the top. You talked to a lot of people around the country. What what are the dynamics of this here? And where Biden is there are two immutable facts around this around this primary campaign that I see one is that Joe Biden support Israel it is constant it is consistent and guess what so is concern over Joe Leiden support. Both of those things can be true until one kind of disproves the other. I'm intrigued by mayor. Pete Budaj because you can make an argument now. He's an early stage front runner Iowa New Hampshire polls also suggested and just in the last couple days Alexandria Cossio. Cortez chose him to target on the education plan said he was parroting Republican talking points. She is a very savvy political. Little operator she knew exactly what she was doing and taking on Mayor Pete and I think there's going to be a lot more scrutiny on him his record his plans going forward and ask you the same questions. About what what what's happening out in the country and what's happening with these national polls well the polls that matter are the early state primary and caucus polls. That's going to determine our front runner and if you look at the polls now it is pretty fluid. I think Biden is the dominant candidate. He's the one who can not only. Maybe he won't win an Iowa. You don't have to win Iowa ask ask ask you know other people will want. Hillary Clinton didn't win Iowa but she stayed a very strong candidate throughout. And I think it's very possible. That Biden may not win Iowa but he he still has the minority support. That Buddha judge doesn't have he's like zero percent amongst minorities that's he's got to improve. He's going to move out of that box again. Why he isn't isn't getting that minority? He's he's a you know a small town Maher. He's not been on. The National Stage Biden is the successor to Obama Obama in the eyes of many minority voters. And I think judge nieces come up with some kind of agenda that is more appealing to minority candidates. He really hasn't done that yet. I think this Mine Oratory support problem for Buddha. Judge is a problem but it's not unique to Buddha judge. He's got the same level of support among African Americans. That Kamala Harris says and Cory Booker has both both of which are African. American United States senators in this the fascinating thing about this race. It's unlike one we've seen in a while because there's no dominant powerful character. That as we know is how would the racist GonNa go. I actually think as of today. There's still six or seven candidates that have a possibility of winning. And I think Joe Biden's difficulty is that if he thinks he can lose Iowa and lose New Hampshire and lose Nevada then all of a sudden how come through strong in South Carolina. I think maybe a fiction for him. He has to hope nope that nobody like people to judge starts winning multiples in a row. I was telling Rick In the Green Room earlier is that I would much rather be a candidate with momentum wintom then some candidate with money or the machine behind them because once you have momentum. It's hard to stop. But we are in a time keeping that Brock Obama at this point in time in two two thousand seven was behind an Iowa and was significantly behind in South Carolina. The race adjusted really quick as soon as the voting started and and and Perry coming off are very strong black Friday. The economy has not taken a major stumble under the president's watch. You heard what nate silver said about that. That's already baked into the how the voters look at that but his approval rating clearly still low but if the economy stays strong could that outweigh the the negative. I don't think so. I think we've had three years of polls show him. The economy is strong with people still find a lot of other reasons like Donald Trump. I think for trump would be better if he likes. Stop Stop tweeting for example. I literally think that kind of thing alone would help his numbers more but assuming he's not going to change like we've never had before where polling about Donald trump is more more stable than any previous president. He basically has forty seven for the people who like in forty percent and about fifty two percents. Don't like him and those numbers don't change what he says no matter what he does. Impeachment of of all things changed so I think but that said forty percent. National polling is different in Wisconsin. Where he's much closer? I believed the polls little bit. He's he's much closer to forty seven percent in Wisconsin. This is still a very close electoral environment. Donald Trump is by being very unpopular. Could win the election in part because the polls show the democratic mccray candidates for president are getting more unpopular sort of every day. Almost Joe Biden started off this race fairly popular. He's Worn Popular Warren in San Jose more unpopular boone. It just gets people become more known we'll get more popular to is my suspicion so I think Donald Trump has a very good chance to win the election. Even though he's very popular I think the job approval numbers the council. Every anybody watching this or watching this look at the job approval numbers and look at the job approval numbers in five or six states. And it's not gonNA matter. This is a presidential reelected. Can I went through a presidential reelect in two thousand seven George W Bush and that was the number one thing we watch which job approval numbers now with John Kerry's favorable unfavorable was all of that. It does not matter if Ju- If if Donald Trump's job approval numbers are where they are today. If he's in the low forties in those five states it does not matter what the favorability rating or who the Democratic nominee is. Donald Trump will lose but he has to hope as I'd say agree with Perry if he stopped tweeting. The we've shown that the economy doesn't helping it. The reason helping him if he did some adjustment. intone or temperament that would help a much more. Let's just say that probably will justices the traditional medicine. Okay but then we have debates. We have another debate later. This on with a higher donor in polling threshold so so far only six candidates have qualified for that debate. The candidates have until next Thursday but what impact will not making those particular debates. People like Cory Booker who then Castro. It's devastating at this point in the campaigns. Have Been Pretty Blunt about it. You need to be part of the conversation and in fact getting four or five percent. That isn't GonNa win you. Delegates come January and February when the voting starts these thresholds. I think are almost artificially low not high. It's going to be tough. And of of course the fact that Michael Bloomberg won't be there. I think is is a key point through all of this. He is blanketing the airwaves. Now as you said setting new records almost almost every day now and and he's basically counting on this conversation that we're having right now to continue all the way through the primary process. He's betting on chaos in the Democratic field that he could clean up as a national candidate. That's totally different play. Then everyone else is banking on these early states. That come through and Susan I want to ask you. There's a very brutal article in the New York Times this week about the state of Kama Harris's campaign they quoted from the resignation letter Harris's former Iowa state operations director who wrote this is my third presidential campaign and I have never seen an organization organization treated staff so poorly with less than ninety days until Iowa. We still do not have a real plan to win. Are you surprised bike Harrison. Just for you know. I questioned her durability when she first got in just looking at the early California polls and how quickly she was vanquished by the entry of Biden And I'm not totally surprised that she's out of it at this point. I think the real question now is where does her does. She has some support. Where does that go? And where does it support. Gopher some of these other candidates who who like Harris are going to have to make a decision a lot of them are going to end up dropping out soon. And where is that support to go and Zach going to coalesce as field a little more make it a little more stable. Show us a front runner. I'm not surprised she's she's going to be out of it pretty soon and I think the question now is what's her her was her future. Hold when she gets back the Senate will she get into leadership. I don't think we've seen the end of Camel Harris by any means she is. She does have real lear show qualities so I'm wondering what she'll do next. I want to end on Michael Bloomberg we have about forty five seconds left here and he says he can be trump. Can you beat the Democrats Well he's got a much better odds of beating trump than he does beating the Democrats. I think he has a chance. And I'm in this race disruptive time I'm not going to dismiss anybody's chances. I can't figure out exactly the strategy other than what Rick just said which is chaos about Biden's wounded. I come in and I come in. I'm only national candidate and this but I think even in that scenario somebody like Amy Klobuchar Cory Booker. Somebody like that is much more likely but again in in this disruptive time I don't count anybody out and that will have to end it. Thanks very much for joining us before we go we on our fellow Americans who serve and sacrifice us in the month of November to servicemembers died overseas supporting operations uh-huh in Afghanistan. That's all for us today. Thanks for sharing part of your Sunday with us. Check out world news tonight have a great day.

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President trump put his own interests above those of the United States of America undermined the integrity of the upcoming election and endangered. US National Security. The report also underscores what Democrats view as a quote unprecedented effort to obstruct impeachment inquiry. President trump of course refused to comply ply with the investigation to provide any subpoenaed documents or allow top aides to testify and the report. Democrats also pointedly accused the president of attacking and intimidating witnesses. This is who did comply with subpoenas making note that it is a federal crime to do so carrying a criminal sentence of up to twenty years in prison for his part today. President trump referred to the chairman of the committee before this was released as deranged but as C. N. N.'s. Alex Marquardt now reports. Democrats argue that. The evidence of the president's misconduct on duck and obstruction of obstruction of congress is quote overwhelming overwhelming. The amount of evidence House Democrats said today of the president's misconduct with Ukraine and his obstruction of Congress. The new report from the Intelligence Committee stating the president placed his own personal and political interests above the national interest rest of the United States sought to undermine the integrity of the US presidential election process and endangered US national security. The evidence is overwhelming that he accused his office to leverage your taxpayer dollars to have a foreign government trying intellectual. The three hundred page report details the committee's findings after an eight week historic storage investigation. Their blistering conclusion that it would be hard to imagine a stronger or more complete case of obstruction than that demonstrated by the president. Since the inquiry began this is the result of a president who believes that he is beyond indictment beyond impeachment beyond any form of accountability and indeed above the law and that is a very dangerous thing for this country to have an unethical president. WHO believes they're above the law? Chairman Adam Schiff launched the investigation in in September prompted by the whistle blowers complaint that complaint centered around the July twenty fifth call in which President Trump asked Ukrainian presidents Alinsky for a favor and investigations into a twenty sixteen elections conspiracy theory. And the Biden's our investigation determined that this telephone call was neither the start nor the end of president trump's efforts to bend. US foreign policy for his personal gain. The report reads rather it was a dramatic crescendo. An the effort Democrats argue that included Vice President Mike Pence Secretary of State Mike Pompeo Energy Secretary Rick Perry and Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney saying saying they were either knowledgeable of or active participants in an effort to extract from a foreign nation. The personal political benefits sought by the President Pompeo was on July twenty fifth call and Mulvaney famously admitted to the quid pro quo. Before walking it back I have news for everybody. Get over it. There's going going to be political influence in foreign policy. The committee report alleges that the president's misconduct in Ukraine was not an isolated occurrence nor was it the product of a naive president president trump according to the committee benefited from Russian interference in the twenty sixteen election that the Ben candidate welcomed now they say the President Soliciting China and Ukraine to interfere which presents a clear and present danger that the president will continue to use the power of his office for his personal political local game. This central role of Rudy Giuliani and Ukraine policy runs throughout the entire report. It details has calls with the White House the Office of Management mm-hmm and Budget and his intelligence committee ranking member Devon newness in April. The report says Mr Giuliani had three phone calls with a number associated with and eight calls with the White House. Number Giuliani had been pushing for the ouster of US ambassador. Or you'RE GONNA Vich. She was recalled in May after what the committee called a a baseless smear campaign the report reads her ouster set the stage for other. US officials appointed by President Trump to work in cooperation with Mr Giuliani to advance a scheme and support of the president's reelection. The committee also detailed the lengths the administration went to to not cooperate saying not a single document meant was produced by the White House. Officials were also blocked from testifying or handing over records in the end. The committee does not recommend impeachment saying that will be left up up to the full house whether the president shall be held to account they say and whether we as a nation are committed to the rule of law or instead whether a president who uses is is the power of his office to coerce foreign interference in the US. Election is something that Americans must simply get over. So this report is Dow the baton taunt that is being handed off to the Judiciary Committee to serve as the basis for the articles of impeachment that they will draft now. The White House issued a quick response to the report saying in part this report. Fort reflects nothing. More than Democrats Frustrations chairmanships report reads like the ramblings of a basement blogger straining to prove something when there is evidence of nothing. Jake Alex Marquardt. Thanks so much Let's talk about all this papa. Golic the Democrat as the Democrat at the table. Let me ask you. I know you you believe the president committed impeachable offenses. But let me ask you. Do you also think the Democrats have done an effective job of making the case to the American people. We see support hovering around fifty percent for impeachment and removal from office. That's that's not overwhelming overwhelming compared to what it's much higher than Nixon for example except Nixon's final days with Clinton got a thirty by the way thirty one bush. The Obama to be impeached too. There's always thirty percent wants to get rid of president. It was around thirty percents a few months ago for this presents. Gone from thirty to fifty so I guess long way saying Yes to Adam Schiff just he give a long statement issued a long report. They're six words that I think Democrats ought to key in on. No one is above the law. That's something everybody can understand. That goes back to twelve fifteen in the MAGNA in a car too long before. Even there wasn't American the notion that no one's above the law. And when you read this report you see again and again and again this president putting himself above the law. The laws don't apply to me whether it's the laws about bribery whether it's laws about obstruction of justice they make a really compelling overwhelming case on that Scott. Let me ask Q.. So Congressman Schiff says this in the summer report. This is a question three Full screen number. Two is the remedy of impeachment warranted for a president who would use use the power of his office to coerce foreign interference in US election or is that now a mere perk of the office. That Americans must simply get over. I mean he he. They're trying to make chip is trying to make it a larger larger question. Is this going to be what we accept in. US President so. I think this is one of the weaknesses that the Democrats have have run into here. And that's that everything either has to be fully support report this or we have to impeach the president when I think a lot of Republicans are going to land on some degree of this. It was bad judgment. I'm not all that worried about it but largely early in the bucket of it's not impeachable especially when you consider that we're heading for an election. I don't think most Americans WanNa say that presidential conduct whether you judge it to be something worse than bad judgment or not has to go immediately to the level of impeachment. We've never thrown a president out of office and I don't think people on the cusp of voting for the next president. Want to throw one out now. I think they want to have a say in the matter. I have always thought. One of the biggest challenges for the Democrats here was forcing this into a binary choice either. Condone it or you want to impeach when most people. Well I think somewhere in the middle well that may be true and and points for being in the reality based universe but we do we. Do we do here Do Your beat as well. Well here from a lot of Republicans especially House Republicans who who also seemed to see it as by Mary And they support President Trump the Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee issued report that said President Trump did nothing wrong and schiff addresses this almost a directly in his In his preamble saying perhaps even more corrosive to our democratic system of governance the president's and his allies are making a comprehensive attack on the very idea fact and truth how can a democracy survive without acceptance of a common set of experiences there are a lot of Republicans maybe not in the country but on Capitol Hill. That are not even agreeing to the idea that that the president did anything objectionable. Or they're also furthering during conspiracy theories that have been debunked your reporting yesterday on the Senate Intel committees saying that there was no evidence to suggest that Ukraine meddled in the election action for Hillary Clinton and Republicans have further. Push that And yes you're not seeing many of them have a nuance debate about this. It's very much tethering themselves to trump because a lot of them do see their re election futures tied to trump and that if they split from him in any way shape or form that could hurt them in the long run that could hurt them in their own. Political ambitions could even hurt president trump. But there's a future beyond beyond that I think the Democrats at least trying to bring some attention to you here. Adam Schiff Nancy Pelosi and other members talk about that old time this idea of them not wanting to set. This is a standard for American presidents. That they can get away with this Going forward Democratic president or a Republican president. But you do have. I think you know there are folks who are thinking about the elections and then folks like will hurt. Who doesn't even have a reelection? Who's just sort of looking at his future in the Republican Party? It's also just drew. This Republican Party is owned lock stock and barrel by Donald Trump. I mean these are trump's people that has been kind of the remarkable story of these last three years a bit surprising if you saw he ran in two thousand. Sixteen that somebody like Lindsey Graham for instance would be his biggest cheerleader. But that has happened are are on the Senate side as well as the house. I was in the house. Side is probably a little bit more conspiratorial. Some of the folks on on a panel. It probably won't be like that on the Senate side. I of but by and large the overwhelming leadership of the folks on the hill are there with this president. They have been in. That's unlikely to change and Laura a name in here. You're quite a bit. Is Dennis. The congressman from California who's the ranking Republican on the committee. And he's not in there just because he's the ranking Republican on the committee. He's in there because the committee committee goes into all sorts of phone records detailing conversations that he had with Rudy Giuliani with Giuliani's indicted associate left a lot of stuff. Stuff shift. Wouldn't explain what he thought Devin Nunes had done but obviously it's in there for a reason. Right what shift kind of explains that these a new phone records which we hadn't seen before show a coordination of a smear campaign Not only when it came to ambassador Ivanovich but also just this larger conspiracy and yes shifted and go into potentially what was discussed in those phone calls that appeared very short. But it's surprising and a bit ironic that here. We had had a few weeks ago. Nunez on the committee saying of blowing up this big idea that shift had knew who the whistle blower was. That ship was communicating directly with a whistle blower. We're and yet noon is appears to be at the very heart of what this investigation was of everyone. Stick around a lot more to talk about. We're going to have much more on our breaking news. We're GONNA hear from a member of the House Judiciary Judiciary Committee that will take over the impeachment angry with a public hearing tomorrow. Republican congressman. Jim Sensenbrenner from Wisconsin is live next black. Black Friday's collects biggest sale of the year. That's the biggest sale of the year. You don't WanNa miss this because you'll save up to twenty percents on guided tours all across across the world let's worldwide travel collection features over one hundred sixty land tours but they're not stopping there. River cruises rail journeys single city stays as and much more after over a hundred years of travel. 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Noonday accused president trump of undermining national security in his quote Ukraine scheme and engaging in a quote unprecedented campaign of obstruction of this impeachment inquiry. Tomorrow the House Judiciary Committee is anticipated to hold. Its first public hearing with four legal experts under oath joining me now to talk about this as one of the members of the judiciary this year committee. Who will be in that hearing tomorrow? Republican Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner Wisconsin who also helped lead the Clinton impeachment in the House Congressman Sensenbrenner. Thanks so much for for joining us. I want to begin with this new report. It says this quote. The president placed his own personal and political interests above the national interests of the United States sought to undermine the integrity of the the US presidential election process and endangered US national security unquote. Now I know you do not think that president trump asking presidents Alinsky to investigate the Biden's was out of bounds. Is there anything in the report. Change your mind well. I got the report. Our goal is over three hundred pages long and I do speed read but not quite that fast you know. Let me say that I don't think the president has committed an impeachable offense. No no president should be above the law but they shouldn't be below the law either and what trump said. The president's Alinsky was. Can you do me a favor. Now if that is an impeachable offense than what about then Vice President Biden saying I'm hold up a billion dollars of aid unless you fired the prosecutor in six hours and bragging about The problem I think is that this is a moving target and there are a lot of people including a lot of my colleagues who have hated trump from the beginning. You do not impeach a president because of policy differences princes or because you hate him and didn't vote for him and we're sorry that he would there has to be something more serious than that and telling the president of Ukraine. Will you do me. A favor is not serious. Thing that the framers thought it should be the Biden thing. I don't want to get off on a path here. But the Biden thing I was obviously something thing that even Republicans the International Monetary Bank others were calling for the International Monetary Fund or others. Were calling for that prosecutor to be fired. That Eh may very well be so g but not the way that Biden framed it when he came back here and bragged about it. So at least we didn't stop the country for for a couple of years Having an impeachment inquiry on him the Intelligence Committee is vital to our national security so they spent the last three months launch not doing the oversight of intelligence that we need but going on and impeachment which still congressman as simple as that. So you talked about how you don't think that that phone call. Paul demonstrates anything wrong because the president phrase it has do me a favor. Democrats in the report argued that the call between trump ends Alinsky was just a quote dramatic crescendo with a month long campaign driven by President Trump. That for months there had been this effort involving president trump and multiple senior officials officials in an involved. Also president trump withholding a visit to the Oval Office for Presidents Alinsky. And of course that three hundred ninety one million dollars of security that was ultimately released after the whistle blower came through. Well neither trump nervous alinsky said that there was a quid. Pro Quo involve number one Zilenski Alinsky wasn't even aware at the time that The it was being held out and September eleventh which was about six six weeks after the call. The aid was released and Ukraine out the money after the whistle blower came forward. Well after the whistle blower came forward but we also oughta realize that Ukraine is probably the most corrupt country in Europe and one in the world and I think we all ought to be assured assured that when we do release foreign aid to any other country that money is being used for the purpose for which it was sent and not ending up in somebody's pocket rocket or Swiss bank account. So I guess one of the other points that the Democrats are trying to make here is that this is setting a precedent and that if republicans allow this to be deemed acceptable than in the future a President Elizabeth Warren could press China to investigate. Jared Kushner Kushner family when they promoted investor visas in that country or president. Buddha judge could ask Azerbaijan to look into the trump tower deal there. They're all sorts of allegations of corruption. That would be okay with you for a Democratic president to ask a foreign country to do them a favor and look into political rivalry. Well we have mutual legal Assistance treaties with most countries. So if there is a violation of US law where there's evidence in a foreign country. The M lad ends up requiring the foreign foreign country to cooperate with us but this goes much deeper than that goes back to the way the framers set up our government and that was is that the executives should not it be dependent upon having majority in the parliament or in the congress in our case develop separation of powers and Adam Schiff and his crowd completely thrown separation of powers in the waste basket. So if we ever in the future have a president of one party in a majority the House and another party the Congress is going to repeat this mistake not do the people's business in be involved in a two or a four year along which on the tried to boot the president who is elected by the American people out of office. So that's what we're seeing here. I WANNA play for our viewers. Your opening statement statement before the House Judiciary Committee in Nineteen Ninety eight hundred. You are talking about President. Clinton he has not owned up to the false testimony the stonewalling stonewalling the obstructing has used legal hair-splitting and redefinition of words. To perpetuate those lies. The president lied obstructed structed and abused power. I think a lot of people will see that clip and think. Yeah you get offended when Democrats abused power but you don't get offended when Republicans have used power. There is a big difference. Kenneth Starr who is an independent investigator. Which Adam Schiff is not you know ended up doing doing a lengthy investigation sent us? Thirty six boxes worth of evidence and said that Clinton lied both in a civil deposition and in grand injury testimony under oath. That's the big difference. Whatever trump did or didn't do on that phone call was not under old it was not not in a judicial proceeding where the courts have to have the truth in order to administer justice? And that's why witnesses at any judicial issue preceding or put under all big difference between the two star founded Clinton lied under role in both the civil and grand jury eight proceedings. Nobody said that. Donald Trump is lied under oath. Well I mean we don't have time to get into all the differences but obviously Attorney General Janet Reno you know had the intellectual integrity to let Ken Starr being independent counsel to investigate this whereas Attorney General Bill Barr decided. There was nothing to look at here. Republican Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner Wisconsin. Thank you so much. Good luck to you into in retirement. Oh thank you not running again so. I'm not worried about anybody racing. They're never going to vote for me again. Thank you sir appreciate your time. Yeah she was once looked at as a democratic favorite now. She's on the list of possible running mates shocking exit. Is it in the two thousand twenty race stay with us. It's cyber Monday all week long in Omaha steaks has an exclusive deal for podcast listeners. I get the perfect gift for everyone on your list. You'll save big and feel good. Sending a one hundred percent guaranteed gift. In a recent survey seventy three eighty percent of Americans said they'd rather get great food than more stuff as a gift. So when you send Omaha steaks they'll get delicious tender steaks and so much more and you'll know you sent sends a gift. 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That is essential question here. She found herself without a particular home. She wasn't a progressive SH- wasn't necessarily a moderate shed a couple of feet in both camps. She started that way. Back in January anywhere when you asked her if she was for Medicare for all she vacillated a bit and now it's sort of a sign of what was to come for her campaign but she address her supporters this afternoon in a video and and this is why. She said she couldn't go forward. I've taken stock and I've looked at this from every angle and over the last few days I have come to one one of the hardest decisions of my life. So here's the deal guys. My campaign for President simply does not have the financial resources to continue and the financial resources. We need to continue so the reality here there is. She saw the writing on the wall. She actually was going to be on the debate. Stage in two weeks in California. Yeah so many of her supporters were hoping that she would stay in until that point trying to make one last chance to check. I am told she was thinking about her own future. By dropping out now she will will not be on the California ballot that means. She won't lose miserably. There she of course is almost certainly to run for reelection. Twenty twenty two there as senator so by dropping out now that happens she also preserves her political future here. Long after the primary settled she certainly will be in the running to be a running mate. We don't know how hi this is going to go but by getting out. Now she's sort of leaves with our dignity intact but so many people were surprised by the fact that she was not able to catch on a lot of reasons for that. Some of which we've talked about and the democratic debate in this month as of right now the only candidates that have that have made the stage now now that Harris's out our our white despite this incredibly diverse field of candidates. Let me just ask you. How do you think benefits the most from this? Let's say in Iowa the first state the caucus state Who Will Benefit from from her dropping out? I mean I think at this point when you look at the people in the race Amy Klobuchar. I'm keeping my eye on there in Iowa. She's coming on much stronger particularly after the last couple of debates really raising questions on the reality of some of these plans so look for her to assume some of Senator Harris's support also Cory Booker Booker. He needs to make his last stand there. He has a strong organization there so he can consolidate any of his support will see but also someone when probably not in the Warren Sanders camp more likely in the other camp here so all of her people are up for grabs yeah. Booker has not made the December debate. At least as Jeff Zeleny thanks so much confrontation on the world. Stage President from clashing with a key ally in front of the cameras. Thank you what were they talking about. That's next here. Yeah four schools one national champion East sports most exciting game. The Collegiate Rocket League National Championship returns to the East Sports Stadium Arlington Texas to on TV. s Friday December six at eleven. PM Eastern going on guys. Mike Chairman Founder Director of. I'm trying to listen to friends. Family A podcast. VR kicks in Chinatown market can only show where athletes artists designers exclusive works together on every episode. Oh in our world today a stunning display of animosity president trump already under pressure at home in the US confronted by an ally abroad. French President Emmanuel Macron and a public meeting define president trump standing by his assessment macron's that NATO is suffering brain death as CNN's Kaitlan Ellen Collins now reports a meeting between the two allies turning tents today as president trump and French president Emmanuel macron Ron sparred with the cameras rolling. Nobody needs more than France. The stage for the clash was set after trump slim. mccrone wrong for saying the NATO alliance was experiencing brain death. President Macron said NATO is. I think that's insulting to a lot of differ. Very Nasty statement macron. made the comment last month. Suggesting the seventy year old alliance could no longer count on the US West but today it turned this frequent. NATO critic. NATO is obsolete intuit's defender just can't go around victim stamp is like it's very disrespectful. When the two leaders came face to face macron stood by his comments my favorites raise it some rationed action and take the lead of people after trump touted his cozy relationship with Turkish president? Erta one full of. Yeah we have a very good relationship macron fired back ripping Turkey for define NATO in purchasing Russian missile defense system How is it possible to be a member of the alliance to work with office to by mothers to be integrated and to buy S.? Phoned Promotions Macron didn't Sat stone-faced trump made this joke about offering captive isis fighters to the French. Would you like some Nice Isis fighters. I could give you everyone you want. Let's be serious but trump laughed it off. This is where. Oh He's a great politician because that was one of the greatest non answers best okay. The tent sit down a big contrast to a relationship that that was once filled with camaraderie. Compliments endanger diplomacy. But we do have a very special relationship. In fact I'll get that little piece of Bandra Wolf. We have to make them perfect. He is perfect so it is a big change jake from that meeting there to what happened today. But despite today's contentious sit down trump did give the French president arrived in his presidential limo to ten Downing Street for a reception that Boris Johnson send was hosting tonight. All right Kaelin Collins across the pond for us. Thanks so much I want to bring in retired NATO Supreme Allied Commander General Wesley Clark General Clark. Thanks so much for joining us. What did you make of the meeting? Between President Trump and Emmanuel macron lot of domestic politics involved on both all sides It's better to hash out disagreements. Wheel disagreements in private and show agreement in public so when they showed disagreement in public. You have to think there's some domestic benefits on both sides. The truth though is that NATO badly needs American leadership not at the general level not at the cardinal level. Not at the ambassador level it needs it from the White House and Europeans have been saying for two and three years that president trump's ambivalence excellent work NATO. His coaching up Vladimir Putin is occasionally suggesting he wasn't gonNA support if they didn't pay a lot of these pressures that should have been been applied in private when they come out publicly from the president of the United States. They undercut the credibility of NATO. And that's the danger ranger and And what we saw today adds further To the uncertainty that grips some European capitals. I certainly understand stand why that perception is out there but let me ask you there are. US troops now in NATO countries and along the Russian border. That have not been there before i. I think they're in the Baltic states. I believe they're in Poland Conducting military exercises When you look away or beyond the rhetoric from president trump isn't the US Doing quite a bit to push back on Russia. That's exactly right. And since two thousand fourteen really. Since Russia invaded and seized Crimea and faded Ukraine. NATO has toughened up considerably and these actions taken some months and even years to take place in president. Trump's continued the toughening up process and we have to recognize the United States in military. Terms is is on the ground more than it has been in in the past few years. However NATO's fundamentally not a military alliance? It's really a political alliance at the top. The idea is not to fight a war ideas to prevent ventre war and today a Russia does present a major challenge to to NATO countries Putin wants his empire back and he's waging aging a hybrid warfare in Ukraine With some flying bullets and artillery but also with cyber and with social media that's spilling over the European countries are eastern European friends and allies are very concerned about this. They need those strong leadership from the United States and a commitment so earlier earlier today president trump was asked if he would commit to defending a NATO ally even if that ally is not meeting its financial obligations on defense in spending. Take a listen to president. Trump's answer a very interesting question is and you know it also depends on what your definition delay this winches back years. Okay now so why is it that they for this year but every time a new year comes. I'm jeff they don't have to pay wrong. What was your response to that Sir? I think that those are the kinds China discussions. You need to have in private. I think when you have it in public it's it's a lot like when a couple so start talking about divorce too often it it starts the ball rolling. It's it's hard to get it stopped and here when you're questioning whether or not you're GonNa go through allies Aid under article. Five of NATO's treaty. Fundamentally we are committed one on one is attack. It's all or attack so this shouldn't be talking about things like this. It raises uncertainties and it opens the door for further pressures by by allies like Turkey. WHO DO THEY WANNA use? their ability in NATO to leverage the United States actions and support of the Kurds so We don't want that kind of leverage average NATO is is is a powerful alliance. It's a political alliance. We should be working with our allies to achieve common interests. Not Leveraging this threat that we may not support them to get some other interest general Wesley. Clark thank you so much for your time. We appreciate it sir. Thank you Dr Administration officials today shooting conspiracy theory peddled by president trump himself. So why are Republicans repeating this conspiracy spiracy theory. That's next broadcast. That's the end of the morning dragon. Experiment are you gonNA stop. Always Away Sleigh at Queen's secondly yes brick and mortar Sundays at eleven. Thirty only on adult swim. Newham knew him like everybody in Palm Beach. No no one knows how he made the money happening. He was threatening my short and pulling my body on already naked body after the nine in sixteen years. I've reported on Jeffrey Epstein the man the multi-millionaire the monster now go behind the story with me Vicky Hurst of CNN's new podcast. The Jeffrey Epstein I knew subscribe. Now where have you get your podcasts. They are intelligence community and the representatives today from the Department of State indicate that there was not Meddling meddling by Ukraine and our election. Indeed Senator Mitt Romney of Utah Today said the meddling. The interference was done by Russia. Romney demonstrating allegiance to facts and not allegiance to the obfuscating talking points being pushed by Republicans that it was in fact. Ukraine that interfered in the two thousand sixteen election. That is not true Ukraine. Did Not interfere sources. Tell me that. The Senate intelligence committee in two thousand seventeen looked into the conspiracy theories about Ukraine going so far as to interview Sean Henry from the cyber security firm crowd strike as well as former DNC operative Alexandra Chalupa both of them interviewed in October. Two thousand seventeen. They Committee finding no evidence to support the notion of any election interference by Ukraine Senate Intelligence Committee member Senator Marco Rubio told CNN yesterday. Ukraine did quote nothing. Nothing that compares to the Russian effort. It's not even in the same universe unquote but those with more fealty to trump than two facts on this matter. Such as Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana. Continue to peddle this falsehood. Here's Kennedy earlier today with CNN. Suzanne Malveaux I mean you know that the Senate Intelligence Committee committee has debunked that the seventeen intelligence agencies have debunked this that Fiona Hill. Who is the Russian expert had also debunked and said that it was simply a Russian talking point? I know that I've read that. The intelligence committee made some kind of finding. I don't know what it was. I am where a doctor heels testimony and she's entitled to Her opinion joining me now to discuss former CIA chief of Russia and Ukraine Operations Nations Steve Hall and former FBI. Senior intelligence adviser. Phil Mudd Phil. When you see someone like Senator Kennedy coming out and repeating this debunk conspiracy? I he said that it could have been Ukraine that hacked into the DNC computers. Then he took it back now. He's out there with this new talking point that the few Ukrainian saying negative things about Donald trump and and maybe writing bed against him is the same thing as this Russian operation. What comes to your mind? What would you want to say to him? He's relying on the American people not to read. He's relying on us to be ignorant. I would say go back to the original documents. Forget about the politics of the original documents. For example apple the indictments of people -ffiliated with the Russian military and Russian intelligence. Forget about what somebody said in open media. We're looking at technical access to twitter and facebook. In efforts by Russian connected individuals to access state electoral systems. This is not about a fuzzy question of whether it's Ukrainians Russians since it's about a technical question of whether technical experts saw efforts to access American social media and electoral systems. I don't know why we're debating it. But he's depending depending on people not to read. We're not debating we're for the we're trying to set the record straight considering. This is a false talking point. The Republicans keep repeating not all Republicans. We should point out Mitt. Romney you heard there Marco Rubio standing by the fact Steve The under secretary of State for Political Affairs David Hale testified on Capitol Hill today. He was asked about who interfered in the two two thousand sixteen election. Take a listen. The intelligence community assessed that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an Intel's influence campaign in two thousand sixteen aimed at our presidential. The election was the Kremlin's interference in two thousand sixteen election. A hoax. No are you aware of any evidence. That Ukraine interfered in the two thousand sixteen. Does it undermine. US intelligence agencies. When people? Like Senator John Kennedy or president trump. Come out and publicly publicly contradict all the work by all the intelligence agencies and the State Department and the Senate Intelligence Committee you know Jake. I think we're we're kind of past that I mean we're so used to this administration and members of the Republican Party coming out in denigrating to the president himself the intelligence services the professionals who work work there and not to not to mention the stream professionals that we had last week. Testifying people like Dr Fiona Hill and the rest. So that's kind of become the norm but there's two real reasons that the the counter argument as to why Ukraine might have done this doesn't work. The first is Ukrainians know that the United States is their largest ally against Russia. Who is currently trying to invade them regardless of whether or not a Ukrainian has has a personal opinion or even a public opinion about which president would which which candidate would be better? They would never compromise. Their long-term relationship with the United States is the only thing that's keeping the Russians at bay secondly from an intelligence perspective. I've met with the intelligence with intelligence leadership in Ukraine Ukraine as well as other political leaders. They don't have the capability to do that. They're focused on Russia right now. They're not interested in trying to hack into the United States and mess with our elections. That's what Russia did Blyden Vladimir. Putin is very happy that we're talking about this because it really deflects attention and causes him to be able to deny the fact that Russia did it in two thousand sixteen and this was one of the things that president trump trump pressured or asked President Zielinski to look into this quote unquote crowd. Strike thing. This this what his own Homeland Security Advisor Tom Boston called. All the debunk conspiracy theory. That Ukraine actually hacked into the DNC not Russia. It's a simple diversion. But Echo Steve's point and to get to something more fundamental can you explain to me the difference between Russia wanting to say not only. We WanNA intervene in American election. But we want to divert Americans from focusing on things like Crimea and why the Heck Ukrainians would want to say we want to divert people from focusing on Crimea Ukraine. I think if I were in western Ukraine I'd say I'd prefer to have more American attention. The Russians had an interest in saying I want to divert the Americans. I don't know why they re the grains would have a similar interest. Steve All yeah they wouldn't. I mean the fills absolutely right. They have no interest in in somehow undermining this critical relationship with the United States. That they have all right Steve Hall Film. Thank you so much much more on the breaking news and why the phone records of the top Republican on the intelligence committee could be key. Stay with us. Pretty sure to tune in Thursday night for a CNN townhall. I'm GonNa moderate at the live event with House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi during this major week and the impeachment each when inquiry that's at nine pm Eastern six. PM Pacific. On Thursday. You can follow me on facebook. INSTAGRAM and twitter at Jake Tapper. You can tweet the show at the lead. CNN Our coverage on CNN continues right. Now I will see you tomorrow. 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The Central Question of Impeachment

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The Central Question of Impeachment

"This episode of the Journal is brought to you by business scold a podcast by synchrony in season two of business gold new hosts Araya Darby is meeting with eight American entrepreneurs to find out how they're not just surviving but thriving. Subscribe to business cold. Wherever you get your podcasts For Ten weeks the House Intelligence Committee gathered facts in the impeachment case lawmakers issued subpoenas and poured Lord over documents. They heard over a hundred hours of testimony behind closed doors and in the glare of TV cameras and today the Morning House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi announced Democrats are ready to move ahead with articles of impeachment. President leads us no choice but to act because he is trying to corrupt once again the election for his own benefit Pelosi and her fellow Democrats are making their argument based on just a few words in the constitution. High crimes and misdemeanors. They argue that president. Trump's actions meet that standard their Republican counterparts disagree today on the show how both parties are using the constitution to argue opposite sides of the impeachment case. Welcome to the journal our show about money. Business Empower I'm Ryan Collusion. And I'm CAITLIN bought. It's Thursday December. Fifth Chevron Hughes has been covering Congress Congress for ten years. She's never been busier than she is right now. Dealing with the challenges you'd expect like constant breaking news out of Chairman Adam Shifts Intelligence Committee and other challenges maybe less expected the skaff where a lot of the closer depositions have been happening is really a cold. Apparently Adam Schiff said problems with temperature control literally like literally like if you take no no no figuratively to actually. There's a good metaphor in this. But when he turns down the temperature it gets overheated and there are no windows in that room and so it's Actually started to smell and then when he turns the air conditioning back on everybody freezes the impeachment inquiry. Moved this weeks to the house. Judiciary Committee's hearing room and if lawmakers were hoping a change of venue would help with a cold. It didn't by the way just for the information wish Mr Chairman. This is the coldest hearing room. The action shifted to the House Judiciary Committee because this is is where the articles of impeachment will be written committee. Chairman Jerry Nadler kick things off yesterday by holding a hearing on how the constitution defines an impeachable. teachable offense yesterday for House Committee on the judiciary will come to order. We were taken through a lesson. Constitutional Law specifically athlete going through the definition of what constitutes an impeachable offense including very. We will begin our conversation where we should good with the text of the Constitution. What are high crimes and misdemeanors? It's not necessarily an easy task because most people think of of malfeasance or wrongdoing as something that involves a violation of an actual law and we are in totally different territory. Right now we are talking about constitutional violation and that's something that the public has not thought a lot about and that can be hard to get your head around. The constitution says the Congress may remove a president from office in cases of treason. Bribery or other. High crimes is and misdemeanors. Is it a legal phrase. Where does it come from? So high. Crimes of misdemeanors is abroad phrase. And it's an intentionally broad odd phrase. It has its roots in England in the English parliamentary system. The phrase makes a jump across the pond during the American American constitutional convention where the founders struggle to define all the things that might be bad enough to remove president from office and they started narrow and what they came up with was treason bribery and George Mason piped up and said treason or bribery. While that's not sufficient there are a lot of things the president could do for what she would want to remove him from office that aren't covered by just treason. Bribery so they go broader. And so they initially insert the phrase maladministration attrition and say well maybe maladministration and another founding. Father Pipes up and says maladministration. Wow the Senate then would essentially be charged for the presidency residency because it would be way too easy to impeach president for Maladministration and so what they eventually come up with is high crimes and misdemeanors. I did this phrase mean to them at that time it meant to them what it means today and it gets articulated by Alexander. Hamilton actually actually and federalist paper sixty five and what it means is a specific type of abuse. That's not a violation of a criminal statute outshoot. But it's a violation by a holder of a very high public office and it involves a crime against the people if you think think of this in terms of goldilocks high crimes and misdemeanors was just right. It was broad and also serious enough not to be abused but there was always a squishy to it. It wasn't as clear cut as breaking a law. As Hamilton himself. Recognized impeachment was inherently political political because it is carried out by a government official. It's really unique to a government official and it's a situation in which this person has exceeded the bounds of his office. And why did Alexander Hamilton write this down in federalist paper sixty five the federalist papers were. I guess you could say a marketing tool the ways. They explained their ideas and sought to encourage states to ratify the constitution and also a big moment in the musical Hamilton. Yes exactly that early debate by the founders about what should be considered impeachable is still going on more than two two hundred years later. Experts still wrestle with when and how that standard should be applied and that was on full display yesterday in the judiciary very committee when the committee called panel of experts to testify. Now we welcome all distinguish witnesses. We thank them for participating in today's hearing now. If you would please please rise oh begin by swearing you in said. There were four witnesses at the hearing. Three of them were requested by Democrats and one was requested by the Republican the three Democratic witnesses include a North Carolina law professor named Michael Gerhardt. It's an honor and a privilege to join the other distinguished witnesses to discuss a matter of grave concern. WHO during the bill? Clinton impeachment was the only bipartisan witness. He was called by both sides they included Stanford University Law Professor Mr Chairman and members of committee. Thank you so much for the opportunity to testify. Why named Pamela Carlin and then a Harvard University law professor named Noah Feldman thank you very much for the opportunity to appear and the Republicans also called the witness right yeah? Jonathan Turley is a professor at George Washington Law School. It's an honor to appear before you today. And he is interesting gain because from the outset he casts himself as somebody WHO's not a fan of president trump. He out states that he didn't vote for Donald Trump in two thousand sixteen he parts from Republicans and saying that the president's call with the Ukrainian leader was not perfect. And and so he establishes himself as someone who in theory should have credibility with Democrats. Because he's saying I'm not a partisan did a definition shen of high crimes and misdemeanors emerge all the witnesses were really circling around the same argument. Words High Crimes and misdemeanors I referred to abuse of the Office of the presidency for personal advantage or to corrupt the electoral process or to subvert the national security of the United States. And so. I don't think there's any question about the general definition of a high crime misdemeanor. They're probably a question about whether it applies in president trump's case and that's the big question facing members of the House how the expert witnesses answered that question. After the break in this episode of the Journal is brought to you by business school a podcast by synchrony synchrony is changing what's possible possible for people and businesses with consumer financing solutions digital innovations and data insights. That help them grow and now business. Schools is back with a new season and a new host. Seraya Darby she's meeting with eight entrepreneurs to find out how they're not just surviving but thriving new season new host post new things to learn on season two of business schooled. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts Welcome back because of a move by Judiciary Chairman Jerry. Nadler a New York Democrat. Did Judiciary Committee will not be able to look look at new evidence as part of their hearings and this was something that Republican ranking member Doug Collins objected to in yesterday's hearing put witnesses in here that it can be fact witnesses who can be actually cross examined that's fairness in every attorney on this panel knows that this is a sham because there won't be new fact witnesses. Republicans and Democrats will be basing their decision about whether trump committed high crimes and misdemeanors primarily on a single document. Demint a report written by Democrats from Adam Shifts House intelligence committee. Now when we last spoke ahead of the public hearings you you said. The onus was on Adam Schiff the chair of the House Intelligence Committee to craft a narrative and make it understandable. Do you think he achieved that. He he really tells a very direct story one. That's more understandable in the report them and it was from hearing fragmented testimony so oh each little detail that came out of the witness testimony is integrated into a narrative whole. What is the narrative in the Democrats report? The DEMOCRATS DESCRIBE MONTHS-LONG CAMPAIGN TO PRESSURE Ukraine to announce investigations into Joe Biden. which could occur? Joe Joe Biden politically in twenty twenty. It starts with an offer to house to be ambassador to Ukraine. Maria Vich it carries through to president. Trump's director quest of Ukraine to open the investigation. It finally ends when it comes to light in late late August that the military aid to Ukraine has been withheld and then from Democrats perspective once Donald Trump is caught. The military aid gets gets released in early September and so there's a very clear narrative arc to this crime followed by the cover up at yesterday's hearing. It was clear that the three witnesses called by Democrats found that story compelling let me be clear that on its own soliciting the leader leader of a foreign government in order to announce investigations of political rifles and perform. Those investigations would constitute a high crime. Misdemeanor imagine living in a part of Louisiana or Texas prone to devastating hurricanes and flooding. What what would you think if you live there? And your governor asked for a meeting with the president to discuss getting disaster aid that Congress has provided for. What would you think if that president said I would like to do? I would like you to do us a favor. I'll meet with you and I'll send the disaster-relief once you brand my opponent into criminal wouldn't you know in your gut that such a president had abused his office. If what we're talking about is not impeachable the nothing. Nothing is reachable if the Democrats witnesses were one hundred percent certain that trump's actions were impeachable and moreover argued that in fact it was important to act expeditiously because what was at stake was interference in the twenty twenty election. Shen and Turley the Republicans witness. What was his call did he say this was impeachable or not impeachable? He testified that Democrats Democrats had not gathered enough evidence on which to impeach the president and that they needed to be careful. This is a facially. Incomplete and inadequate would record in order to impeach president. They were at risk of lowering the standard for impeachment and essentially making future presidents. And so much easier to impeach which he argued would abandon the entire American system will slipshod impeachment. Make US less mad. Ed Will it only invite invitation for the madness to follow every future administration. That is why this is wrong. He said Democrats Democrats were rushing the process that essentially they were engaged in what he labeled an impulse buy that Democrats needed did to give the process. Time to play out. More information in fact would be available. Should the courts rule that certain witnesses have have to testify to Congress or that department's like the State Department half to turn over documentation and he argued. Democrats were proceeding with an incomplete record and in doing so were engaged in their own. Abusive power is an abuse of power. It's your abuse of power. You were doing precisely precisely what you're criticizing the president for doing some of curly's points. Republicans have made themselves in their own report released earlier this week. The Republicans Publican's drafted their so called minority report. Looking at the very same fax and testimony is the Democrats but the story. The Republican report tells is is pretty much the polar opposite the conclusion not Republicans come to is that Democrats have not proved their case. They simply haven't event gathered enough evidence to justify accusing president trump of an abuse of power Republicans also say say that Donald Trump's stance towards Ukraine was entirely appropriate. They use the word hesitation they say. Donald trump's hesitation agreeing into a White House meeting or supplying military aid was understandable because he was concerned about corruption in Ukraine and what the Republicans are saying is similar to what trump has said trump described that July call with the Ukrainian president as perfect. So how is Donald Donald Trump reacting to this new phase of the impeachment process. Donald Trump has as you can imagine not been very happy. What they're doing is a very bad? I think for our country. It's no merit. He has again called this a hoax. A hoax it's a total hoax. We had a great call and has been tweeting up a storm and when we spoke I think in September back when Nancy Pelosi had just announced the impeachment inquiry. And you talked at that time very somberly about how serious at this moment is for the republic as this process grinds on do you think that the political future of the moment is at risk of overtaking overtaking. These bigger more fundamental questions. The political theater is always at risk of overtaking. The bigger more fundamental questions questions. That in fact is something that Alexander Hamilton discusses in his federalist Sixty five paper and he had pinned pinned his hopes on this annette saying the Senate was really the place where cooler minds would prevail. I do wonder whether or not the sense of the Senate as the cooling saucer. The place where grand issues were debated really stands stands up with really a correct prediction. The Senate has become just us as politicized as the house and so it might be hard to clear through all the brush of the political rhetoric to really get at the underlying facts in a serious and independent minded way. The House Judiciary Committee will hold. Its next hearing on Monday. House Democrats goal is to impeach the President before Christmas the the case would then go to the Senate for a trial that's offered today. Thursday December fifth the Journal is a CO production of Gimblett and the Wall Street Journal. If you like the show follow us on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. We come out every weekday afternoon. Thanks for listening. We'll see you tomorrow.

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