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"This episode of the broken cork is brought to you by beverage bar serving the tristate with four convenient locations. Come in and let our knowledgeable staff help you find that perfect bottle to make you the talk party or to great a special moment with family and friends cheers. Welcome back everyone to the broken court. Podcast episode to who. I'm dan aaron jake and right. Now i'm gonna throw it over to my man aaron for our toast since it's real close to valentine's day. I thought i would give a valentine's toast one of those cheesy almost greeting card. Esque toast hallmark. Here's here's to you. So roses are red violets are blue. Don't get me flowers bourbon. Will do cheers. cheers everyone. Damn let's get stuff so right now. World bourbon news. Going around out of new rift still company out of newport kentucky. Something that's kind of Near and dear to my heart. Since i do work in the world fast food. They're doing something really cool for all of us New riff is putting out a fifteen year. Straight bourbon whiskey. they're calling. i believe it's called. Relief is bottled in bond. Just like all of their other products. Distilled in indiana. By what what we can only think is mvp. Because they're the only ones. I think are going to have the stocks that are up there in fifteen years and i think it is. Gp wouldn't surprise me. The barrels were purchased out of mvp and again that's all speculative but they were stored at their warehouse with the remainder of their time and this run is limited to just nine hundred if not less only to be distributed out of their distillery for the price of two hundred dollars. I think i tweeted about that. Too on the burkan broken corker twitter page to if you wanna if you wanna get in more in depth about it. I believe he did. But that two hundred dollars is going to go to benefit Restaurant workers around the ohio and kentucky area. I believe that release is going to benefit. Both the ohio restaurant employee relief fund and the northern kentucky chamber of commerce who's in charge of distributing the funds to people who need it the most for more on that you can check us out on facebook at the broken court crew is our facebook group or you can follow new riff on all of their social media for more information on that release. And i'm sure it's going to be amazing man. I think you know what a great especially this time of year. What a great a cinnamon for them to do. I mean cove is really hit. That service industry pretty hard. It's ruined a lot of people and you don't see a lot of people talking about i. Understand nurses and doctors are at the forefront of all of this kovin but they don't talk a lot about like like your fast food workers who have been working throughout the entire thing. I mean i've been fast food. I have not stopped working since covert started. Yeah and i mean. God bless all the frontline workers as far as medical is concerned because they are. They're in close contact. All that like i said are the forefront of all of this but you rarely hear about anyone else you know. Keeping america fed keeping america clothed. Everything like that. So big shout out to all our healthcare workers and big shoutout to all our fast food workers. Anyone who's working retail right now and all of our truckers keeping everyone delivered to and everyone stocked up so we can get through this together. Definitely a big shout to the truckers. So we have a new segment on the show. And i want mr jake over there to take it over. Oh yeah this is our new segment. It's called what's cracking so basically what it is. We give a shoutout to whatever we've had since last podcast. Something's good something you drink and right now something you wanna tell everybody about to me. It was new roof winter whiskey. I tried that a good friend at a bar. Bought that around for actually me and dan and you talk about unbelievable. That's one of the best new products i've had. It really really is. I haven't had very many and of what i've had it. It's up there. I really so good. It opened my eyes to new roof and made me wanna do a little bit more research into their products. And then i mean on top of all of that. We found out about this thing that you just talked about the fifteen year. Oh yeah what's cracking for you. So what's cracking for me. I've had a couple of new bottles. I'm gonna give a couple of honorable. Mentions i never had seventeen ninety. Two bottle in bonn. I know very very strange. But i had that and it's delicious. If you can get your hands on bottle relatively cheap. I paid forty five ninety nine for man. I think that's right around retail so also from french. Lick indiana lead w sinclair four grain. It's called the iconoclast It's a four product from them. What happened long story short. They had three barrels. That were of the league w sinclair that. We're just a little off. They didn't say whether it was a good offer a bad off. They just said it was often. So they mix those three bottles together and made the iconoclasts. But the one. I really really wanna talk about is the o. H ingram whiskey It is from brown water. Bourbon company out of nashville. Where the whisky comes from. What happens with it. It's really cool. They on the mississippi river in an o o h ingram. Born and so really. Yeah so they have Redone this barge completely rick house out of it and so what happens. With though whiskey as it sits in the water they. It's a minimum three year age statement. I think it's more towards four because of covid a but a minimum three year and it says on the bottle now is that from new. Make to bottle it's on the barge or it's on the barge for three years. Yes the jeffersons ocean a little bit and so what happens while it's there the changes in temperature it's in ballard county just which is far west kentucky. Have family down there. So it's kind of near and dear to me but the the whiskey sits on that barge in it constantly moving and so you get a lot of maturation process for that three years and so the really cool part about it like the nose on that whiskey is phenomenal and it might have one of the best finishes that i've ever can. Distinctly as a as a talk about aca distinctly. Remember the finish of that of that whiskey of those ninety six proof. It has a really strong brown spice. Finish your raw to hira bottle and then the it has almost orange zest finished if you think of literally like licking in orange you really get that finish on the back end. It is just phenomenal. So i can't say enough about it really cool bottle like in. It's a little hard to find right now. Because it's so new but i i look for them to do some great stuff. They also have a raw. I have not had the riot. But i have been able to have the whiskey take now. I want to go lick and orange. Really get that flavor and know what your taste. Yeah so dan. What's cracking what you may you know. I had to really think a little bit about this. At first and then i came over for the super bowl. I walked in the door. And you greeted me with this bottle. That i still have one coming and i can't wait for it but this is a new double ocht pick from a group that we're a part of great great bunch of guys just get together and do barrel picks do a bunch of changes work. The cool part about that pick is a portion of the bottle actually went to charity which is amazing so this new double ocht. It's just it blasted my nose with that okay but it wasn't overbearing. It had cherries. It had this to it to me and it was just absolutely wonderful. It blew my mind. Actually i think i i took one drink of it. I looked at you and went. Whoa that was the exact. This is good. I wish i had more of it. Like i said my bottle is forthcoming and i can't wait for it to get here so i can crack it open and have it but That's what's cracking with me. Erin what in the world can we be looking out for though if we want to find out what crack later in the year. What in the hell are we going to find on those shelves. So we're going to introduce another little segment here. We're going to give it the title of bourbon. Watch so this is something. We did last podcast. We really didn't call it anything. We just went right into like. We're more of a new show now. Did he on the forefront of bourbon the the segments where you can kind of remember so like bourbon watch. These are the things that you need to be looking out for on the shelves coming up so black button distillery out of rochester. New york is releasing a port finished. Bourbon it is a two year bourbon but it's aged four additional years in bottles. So you're really going to get that off would be an an additional edge of four years of really years in that port for years in court. Yes that's that's sexy so Like dan said the new riff fifteen year there avenue. Riff one that everybody is probably going to be searching for definitely going to be that. Double eagle very rare something. Everybody searches for every year. I think so. It's ms rpm two thousand dollars if you find it for two thousand good on you. There are one hundred and ninety nine bottles of that this year. So if you get one remember your boys. We love a sample. we just want to taste it. We don't even wanna just wanna taste. I just i just want to smell it so another one that i wanted to mention though i know it's kind of off the cuff. Elijah craig bech a one. Twenty-one is out now in some areas I've seen it as far south florida. I've seen it texas. I've even seen it over in california. A lot of the bigger markets are getting it. I can't wait for it to come around here. I know you can't big. I'm gonna logic. Craig freak freak absolute not the word either. But that's the latest word. Although offhand think if elijah craig had like the oakland raiders black hole fandom you would be like the guy with the face masks. You'd have the darth vader that guy superfan. He would show up at two hundred major. Craig pro bowl like barrel and just drinking straight from the bottle. So i know we are going to probably record before march but a couple that are coming out at the beginning of march just to keep your on barrel bourbon batch number twenty eight man that stuff. If you haven't had barrel don't don't sleep on that stuff is really say you need to find some. It's delicious and the woodford reserve masters collection batch. Proof twenty twenty one in the new bottle that they just released with their sixteen year now with that new bottle. I know it's supposed to be kind of the passage of that project to another person. I don't exactly know who that person is right. Now off the top of my head. But i know chris morris i believe is their master stiller. He's kind of passing off the masters collection project to this person and in turn with that They gave it a new bottle design. I'm guessing if i'm if i'm wrong. Please tell me if i'm right. That'd be awesome. But i mean it sounds to me like a new version of the little book. It really does like you say that he's passing it along. It sounds to me like just sounds like little book it really does. Except i can't even think who was honestly. I'm sorry booker. No and fred. Well yeah. But i mean like the company. You just stay. I've reserved woodford reserve that. Just it's not a family thing there. It's just the master distiller down to what i'm i'm guessing is his not. I wouldn't say replacement. I wouldn't right hand man i wouldn't ever say you know. Someone's got to replace someone because their legacy is in there for years. After they've they've passed on. I mean a lot of people. Don't even get to taste their last barrel of product that they actually put into a rick house right so with that being said gentlemen the big segment top five top. Five of twenty isn't tom. Is it that time. I think because i know we're late to the party. Because everyone else is always ready released their lists and you know we knew. We're new so cut us some slack here but i do want to get into our top five of twenty twenty and see where we go from here so before you do that dan. I just want everybody to kind of understand even us in the room while we are talking about our top five. There are probably things that we're going to say that you might turn your nose up at between me and dan. Dan my hate something. That's on my top five list but but the cool thing about verbs. It really doesn't matter. Everybody's taste buds. Your different that's exactly right. And so when you're when you're tasting or when you're hearing our top five Just think about the the fact that maybe we're not as far along the bourbon journey as you or maybe you're not as far along bourbon journey as us and you're like man. I haven't got there for that for that proof or whatever i for me. It took a long time to get anything above one hundred proof. I'm still working to it and so for me. Now i thought is in the low nineties right now so so my sweet spot has kind of shifted into the one ten to one twenty range. So that's going to. I mean that will so that's going to have a little more effect on list. I say all that to say this is just our opinion. We are not sponsored by any distillery or. We're not getting paid by anybody to say anything about any of these bourbon. This is all just a personal feeling that were flying off. It's going to be a lot of fun though. I can't wait. I can't wait to do this again. I know this is kind of a shameless plug. But if you wanna talk top fives with us or if you have anything to say about our lists or even wanna put yours out there. You want to join us on our facebook group. The broken court crew look for us on twitter and our bus sprout. And we'll we'll get in contact for sure. I'd love to hear it so if you're listening to this right now. The question is what is your top. Five of twenty twenty. Oh dude everyone wants to hear everybody's top-five thing it's just bourbon bourbon junkies. I want to say bourbon. Junkies got said. It's it's like pokemon card it really is. It's like oh man what's your. What's your favorite. Oh man the new one came out this year. Who so how we're gonna do this is we are going to present kind of in a round robin way. Our five through two but in front of us. We have a blind flight poured of our number one to determine as a group which of our number ones we truly think is the best. So you're going to get to go from our top five down to as a group what we think is the number one bourbon of twenty twenty five family so jake you want to start us off with your number five number five number five. It was one that was released just this year and it's hard you can't find it anymore it you cannot find if you find it. Congress blessed the alleged creek toasted. Everybody here knows what. I'm talking about the marshmallows. It really is a campfire in the middle of winter with marshmallows. I told you in cinnamon. So i have a really cool story about that with the marshmallows. My daughter she's eight. I always allow her to smell my bourbon glasses when when it's full and then when it's empty i'm training her nose and all that's maybe a little weird but she's going to be a perfect. We comes in and she grabs after. I had a poor of illogic toasted and she says dad. That's morse and i said. What do you mean this. Moore's and she said it smells like roasted marshmallows and graham crackers and this girl she knows what she's talking about like i said she's going to be the next jackie's i can so i told you my my proof age is low. This is ninety five. Point four proof. Bourbon it really is. If you can find it. I think the best price i've seen it adds is about sixty five dollars if if anything which isn't bad. I mean retail. I've seen him mean. I'm willing to pay ninety nine. So that's per purple. I'm willing to pay at least one hundred. I would do the same thing. So you the truth. Nobody is a good bottle so my top five a have to give a little disclaimer. Here i did a blind taste test of ten bottles ranked him one through ten in half had heather my wife do the whole blind taste set up and i was not in the room i sit down and number five was blanton's normally not a big blanton's fans i was loaned to say that it some a little overrated but once i had it i was like man. Those blends ramona's wins. Yes so i was surprised at how high ranked over some of the stuff that it ranked above. I was very surprised. But that's that's why you do it blind. I think that was really really cool so dan. What was your number five mine number five. I know i've been harping on this distillery a lot today here. We go near it. And i don't want to because none of this. Like i said none of this is sponsored but i was blessed enough to get hold of a bottle of new rifts monster specifically the rye i have not tried the wheat. I loved what i got out of that. Right it's very mellow you get the mult multi grain out of it. You get that little bit of rice and it's like candy to me. It's very sweet. It still has that spice but it's so good it just. It goes down so smooth. Think i see that on your shelf right. it is over there on the shell. That will be the post podcast. Poor the post podcast. Ppp sounds great. We will enjoy that. So jake yes hit me with that number. Four number four man. My number four. It's a weird one. It's the willett pasta. I talked about last time. I talked about it on the last episode. It's the weird bottle that everyone sees goes. What the heck i actually. Since the last podcast. I had somebody say. What's that model. Is that a genie lamp. He straight up said there are other things that but yeah he straight up said genie. He used the word genie lamp and i was just like. Wow man you know it's funny. You say that because yeah would you like some please. It'll make some wish come true. I don't know if it's the wish your necessarily want but a wish will come true. And i poured up. I did i cup right then and there might have at it here. You go like. I said lo proof ninety four. I think we'll see a thing. It really is a theme. I'm pretty pathetic. No it's where you're at right now. I mean there's there's nothing to be man will it. I think is actually about to release from their distillery later. This year on the pottsville. So i'm excited about that. I'm excited to see what comes out of their recounts a lot of their stuff that they've still does now going to start hitting the shelves and it's going to be awesome to see what they actually bring out in from their from there still read. I mean they've had it sourced and it's good so i can only imagine what they're gonna do with their own with their own setup so my number four little another surprise here mr sour mash blanton's again but So make your sour mash. it is a Very relatively cheap bottle of forty nine ninety nine is what you should be paying for it. The problem is that you still can't hardly find it a lot of places but if you do i highly recommend grabbing a bottle that mr sour mash a lot of complexity in the flavor there And one thing. We did. Forget to mention earlier. Dan was that we One of the stipulations that we kind of said on our taste is that we were gonna leave all of the holocaust bottles out. We were going to leave all of the The bottles that you really can't find so like a betak it's not going to be on one of ours the one that you really have to hunt for that you're just keep looking for the toasted was number five. And that's just. Because i couldn't find anything better. I mean really. A happy is not gonna be on our list but not saying we're not going to have some allocated bottles in the mix of but like all the highly highly highly allocated stuff to keep those things that you know you have to dream about wish upon a star and hope to god you walk in at the right place for the right price right. That'll be if we do have to do that. That'll be a whole of sudden itself. Imagine oh yeah. I end allocations. Definitely coming soon tonight. We're drinking the entire betak line. We're just to do a whole straight shot. And i can't wait for that ever happens. I would be ecstatic. I'd fall over jan heart of that number four for me comes out of the jim. Beam distillery really knob. Creek has started to go up in age progressively. If we've noticed something we find less and less fifteen year and a little bit. Younger store picks now because a lot of their stocks. I believe going toward those fifteen twelve year products. So with that being said my number four is knob creek. Twelve year specifically the cast strength. Oh yes sir i understand. It's like all the way not one that everyone all over america can find because i think it's confined to a few states but i can guarantee you if you walk into a store in one of those states more often than not. You'll probably find one. I know you had a few on your shelves about a week ago. So it's not impossible to find. You just have to do a little bit of looking a little bit of asking around. It's not impossible it's improbable point jake like that. Yeah so since you're talking. Let's hear your number thirty. My number. three number three is something that's been released for a few years. Now it's been released every year. The rabbit hole derringer man. That is just so sweet. It's good it's taste. It's expensive according to me it's expensive. It's anything i paid eighty bucks as i say it's around eighty dollars but it's well worth it it is and it's a sherry cask finished. It's finished bourbon. It's i love it. I really do. It is one of my like six or seven bottles. I have open in my in my bar currently but all my top five are open. I mean it really are. you can't keep it closed. it's been now drank. Not it's it's almost gone. The derringer is almost gone. I'm gonna have to get another upon leg. i remember when we walked into rabbit hole. You looked around at the place. We took the tour absolutely perfect place for a tour by the way if you ever get a chance to go down. There building is built for touring now that in louisville kentucky yet on the river. It's not just in louisville. It is on the river like a little bit a little bit off the river but yeah you can see the river from that beautiful balcony off of their bar new the when you were talking about earlier. That's where it's located is over by rabbit hole around that area there. They've they've actually redone. That whole part of town and they're calling it the new district a really new louisville. That's where the new also i got it. I got it. So i mean little is known for its bourbon. So they're known for a lot of things in bourbon definitely one of them one of the one of the aaron. How about your number three and number three now. We're getting into some good stuff so again here. We go plantains. I'm not ever gonna live that down by the way now. Now he's not so weller. Old antique one zero seven absolutely i. I was privileged to be gifted a bottle on. Somebody asks me why. What is a bottle. You can't get a hold of our that you haven't ever had and i said well or one of those seven just real quick and didn't even think about it not thinking that i would ever get that bottle. You lucky duckling you but was gifted that bottle and it is really absolutely delicious and all of the hype with weller one. Oh seven is a hundred percent real almost makes you live in ohio. Oh yes or it gets it all the time and i know we've got several listeners in ohio so again if you want to show your boy some love just kidding so dan what's your number. Three number. three is one that i talked about last week. If you remember well not last week. It was about two weeks ago. Actually now but the fall release of henry mckenna year bottled in bond hardest heck defined after. It won all those awards. But if you look around enough you'll be able to find it. I know when we went to kentucky for our our trip are extravaganza. I walked into a party source and they had one on the shelf for thirty nine ninety nine. And you buy that one and ask if what if there's a limit i was stupid and walked away from it now. Is that the same store. Arousal walked away from the james t kirk even though i really really really really wanted it and the sad thing is i didn't walk out of that party source with any bottles and kicking myself for not picking up that henry mckenna now because having actually drank it and knowing what i know now i understand that there are some good batches some bad batches because it is a single barrel product. So you're going to get the good with the bad and it's one of those things that i it's almost terriers to me. It's almost like blanton's some people love it. Some people hate it. You get good barrel you get a great barrel and then you get the barely you're like that's what's really really cool and this is a whole other topic on a whole other podcast but the single barrel projects are just. I absolutely think it's phenomenal. Because like you say over forced like single barrel from same floor. Same rick house and every pours different. So there's an old or single barrel sitting right here. yeah. I've i've had bowl. I didn't even realize what i pour. It was pouring drinks for everyone. But i mean it's still single barrel so good i did. My somebody was like. What are you drinking. I have no idea but is a really good bourbon in speaking of really good jake number to be with that number two number two i could go on and on about this my gala drinker. This is one that. I'm i ran out of on super bowl sunday. I'll get your pillows out. Everyone i know right. I could go grabble. Quick no Duke duke bourbon. Currently out of green river distilling now and let me tell you something. Duke is something that honestly. I walked in a store. I didn't plan on buying anything. I didn't and i looked over to my left. Look the shelf. And i saw john wayne on a shelf. I was like you looked at me and coming home with me. You looked at me and you. Is there john wayne on a bottle like yeah. That's john wayne on a bottle. And then i had read the back of it i read the back of it and then there it was his son who actually came up with the whole thing has son ethan decided you know what he found some old bottles that his dad had preserved in the family vault. He found his dad's old tasting notebook. He tries some of the bottles that his old his dad's old infinity bottles and he looked at tasting notes and so he can't in contact with a master distiller and they said he said. I just want to replicate this as close as possible as i can as so. They started mixing everything they started doing. Mash builds and they started tasting and it turned into my daily drinker. I mean it has a lot to do with my grandpa who was a huge. John wayne fan mean. He loved his old western. Got to talk. it don't joke. Maybe john wayne movie. And that's coming from a guy whose name jacob and there's a movie that he's an called big jake so it it really is. It's so good. It's so tasty it's perfect. It's a great great bourbon and in the original bottle. They've changed it. Since the first one i saw the first one i saw had his picture on the front of it. And i still have that bottle. And they've changed it to a to a classic style bourbon bottle just your regular fifth bottle. But it's not a bad looking bottle. It's not a bad but the original was just it was grand. It was it was john wayne. It was rough tough and it wasn't exactly. This goes on westerns. It looks like that all bottle of kentucky redeye that they have in the bottle and they it has picture on the front and if you look through the back of the bottle you read the back of the front label. It says a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. And i fell in love with it and to find out that distilling this stuff thirty five minutes from my house that i'd never heard of as a brand new thing. I'm just like it's a. It's a blessing in disguise. Because it's what it was for. My grandpa i had my grandma will try to have my dad tried. Had everyone in my family. You guys got to try this working at a liquor store. It so cool to hear because i always i see people on the bourbon. I try my best to always ask if they need help. Be a always ask. The need help and be are always. Try to find out where they got started. A lot of people don't really have the time or what to spend the time. Stand there talking to this guy. They don't really know. But lose this weirdo. Right as i said in the last hour. Who's this loud mouth bartenders that that had me cracking up. So we The number of people that actually look at bottles and see john wayne or see abraham lincoln we have james t kirk james. T kirk all of these these people and they'll they'll buy just because of who has gotten in the taste the bottle and then they get suburban. So don't be afraid to. I'm excited for all the new people who found out that terry bradshaw is doing is doing a liquor at the exact same distillery as as they're doing duke in now anywhere. I've seen that has bradshaw bourbon sticker. That sold out there zero rush bourbon sitting on the shelf in his sold out. I've heard it is really really good. And i was gonna bring a bottle so stop by the store today because we had some gone. There's not any there. So yeah i saw it on about buying it for my dad. Just have and. I didn't pass it up like you know it'll be there it'll be there and i go back. That's gone gone totally. don't ever pass it up. Not dan story about like my henry mackinnon. I regret doing that every day. Oh yeah but that's my number two aaron. What's your number two. Well my number two. If you notice what has not been on my top five yet. Little bit of illogic craig. So my number two. This year was a logic. Craig be five twenty. That was such a good batch so you know what. I'm really excited about last year. A one thousand nine hundred thirty range a wine. I'm sorry see nine. Twenty seen on twenty one the one thirty three range and be five. Twenty was in the one twenty range this year. The a one. Twenty-one is coming in at one twenty two point six. I think is what it was. Maybe it was twenty two thousand eighteen. It says hot not as high because those the hotter you get. Sometimes the burn takes away from some of the flavor notes but with the had same. Dukes proof ause. I'm sorry. go ahead. I'll i'll come back to you. Yeah so i had of course in my blind taste. I had a one twenty ahead. Be five twenty. I had seen on twenty and beef up. Twenty one in blanton's beat to on. Let's start but anyway. so yeah. So what was the proof on that duke that you eighty eight prove it was a it was the lowest proof of all it. Beat out a couple of the others but there's a lot of face there's a lot of family stuff involved with that too. I mean it really is. It's a lot of family until val you. Yeah so though. The lower proof bourbons do have a lot of flavor in a lot of people. Don't give him a chance here. A lot of people bad mouthing some of the bourbons around amazon colony names but around eighty proof. But the the don't don't don't hate until you try a case in point two words basil hayden's people knock that all the time for it being such a low proof especially their tenure products which a lot of people are just begging like sprays. Hate it a lot on sale to put them in one hundred proof. Put them in one hundred proof know if that's where they want them and that's where the master distiller thanks. There's you should be ranked master. Taster master blender. I mean but it has a lot of good flavor so don't sleep on the lower proof bourbons just because it says eight proof. It doesn't mean it's going to be a bad poor that basil hayden tenure. Right is spectacular. Because i was even telling you. I was even talking crap about it. Oh yeah before. I tried it. You poured it forming. Sit here just try. If you don't like it i'll pour you something else. I tried it. And i came back for another because i didn't give it much time. Because about one hundred hundred ten hundred and fifteen proof and you know my number one surprise you a little bit but you know it's that's just how it is so dan yes sir. What's your number two. But my number two. Oh baby number two stag junior. Aw batch fifteen. That's proof for you. Buy the most recent stag junior was at one thirty six one thirty six. And i'm not exactly sure. The point put one point one man one hundred percent. Sure but let me tell you what to me personally. It doesn't drink that hot. i don't think it does. It's just. I had to try of caramel and butterscotch. A little bit of black pepper. Just like your george. T stagg. Have and i i was. I was lucky enough to be able to try. The george t stagg from this past year and to be quite honest. Some of the stag juniors beat the crap out of george t staff with you on that and a lot of people. They laugh at me. When i say that but i'm a hundred percent think that now last year's george t stagg two thousand nineteen was probably you say last year those two years ago. Sorry it's february thinking right this and a half. I'm sorry two and a half months to get this through come on air and so my the two thousand nineteen george stagg was phenomenal. I would rank up there with some of the best. I've ever had the lowest proof they ever came out with george stats. Probably why. I liked it so much right flavors all those spices. That's it all right fellas. It's time the big boys jake. Let's go around. So we are. We going to reveal them before we taste them. Yeah let's let's go around. Let's get the numbers and then we'll just dive right into this flight to determine which one of these three reigns supreme on this night number four is actually the number one. I mean we could let our sound guy listening in do this. He could rank them. We're going to do like a scale of one ten. I wanna ten or we could just you know like i like abc. We do that. Just a just a round robin of like well. I mean would have have. I don't know how about we just do one to ten. And then tally a total. Sally i love it. So jake let me know what your number one is. From one was an experimental batch. Woodford four grain man would for four grain was hidden I wanted offer. I really did. I wonder for apple. It was a pioneer mike. Forty five fifty bucks you know. Whatever it's it's woodford so it's you know it's not going to be terrible. I'll try. i'll try that night. I tried it that night. Aaron chart at that night. Aaron doesn't remember trying it that night yes. I remember every bit of wink wink. No no it it's smooth would for four grain was smooth and it was surprisingly like really like out of experimental batch really really good. I haven't had it in a couple of months flavor notes. I don't take notes are just kind of go with it. whatever. I'm tasting the night. I'll i'll say it out loud. That's pretty much. it man that tastes like deliciousness. That's what that tastes. I love having you on this. You're getting into it. You know you're not starting to recognize those nodes a love hit those smells and there's probably a lot of people who are listening to this in the same boat as you drink it because it tastes good and i don't really know what i'm drinking. What like flavor wise. But i love that man onto honestly the tour the tour that we took a year and about a half a month ago is what got me into the whole scene and then after that i think about burger i think yeah i think i bought a barrel. I think i bought a bourbon. While we were there in louisville and i did i know i did. It was a currently taylor. Me and my dad shared it. As soon as i got home we started. We sat down. We had a drink of it. I hadn't had it before. Then i didn't have it. I refuse to try before then because it was something. My dad likes bourbon. His dad like bourbon and just went back and back and back as finally. My dad was like well. I mean if you're going to love it you gotta try it so you had to try some bourbon. So i brought home the taylor. Because coincidentally we re woodford earn for good lower. We're at buffalo trace doing their tour and they were putting out each taylor. So i took it home but back to my number one would for four grain. That was something. I wanna raffle. As a coincidence tried it loved it have been looking for more since then. I've been refusing to drink the last quarter of a pint. i have led the last scottish. Yeah exactly i don't want to. I don't want to push the envelope and not have any more aaron speaking of big boys. What's your number one. Well my number one is another weller product and this is not highly allocated as as people think It is put on a shelf somewhere a lot of times in museums. And we got we got into that last week but My number one is weller foolproof. it is just one hundred and fourteen proof The the amount of caramel vanilla sweet notes. That you're going to come and see this. This'll be my. I'm trying wolf our head. I can't wait like and i've got probably half a bottle left. Maybe but it's one of those that i'm gonna drink down until i hopefully to at the for four grain and you're like i gotta save it now i drink at all because i'm gonna say i need a new one fully for me. It's not. I need new one. It's me i need a new one. I can finish this one right. Yes while foolproof. And we'll talk about tasting notes and all that we're tasting big dan. Yes sir mr blue one number one is going to surprise the socks out of every single one. You because you know how. I don't like super high proof. Bourbon intend to win. this is. this is the smoothest high proof bourbon. I think i've ever had surprisingly enough. Old carter twelve year american bourbon batch. Three batch three old car coming in at a lofty one hundred and thirty eight point. One proof that i think we did this on a blind fight fight right now. Blind flight for erin did we. Not we did. I wanted to do batch. Proof or cast drink bourbons and of course urban boys. We couldn't poor blind fly without trying. Something i man it got me hooked and i tried it again and again and i love the damn thing really it it. Just we'll get into tasting notes later. But i just love that and sherry carter do such a good job with these blends you can find single barrel products of them And for one hundred and seventy five dollars to a little over two hundred for some of their products in is worth every single penny. You are not stink. Ever that says you know it may be a little pricey though. Carter is worth every penny for me. You know this particular batch was sourced from indiana. So you know speculative again. It's mgp because yet again more than likely no other i mean distillery hillary's are there in indiana or a few. There's more than there are more than you really. But none of them have that ultra age stock and see. I always hear about gb. I don't hear about any of the smaller distilleries. I don't hear about them. Like putting out major things we will. We will do a later. Show on craft distilleries. We have to some of these little name distilleries around the area. The let's go tour the craft distilleries and then do a show about says. It sounds good. That sounds good to me but Take a weekend off. Make a trip but going off of that gentleman. Are we ready to get into these real quick. Should we do an honorable mention and honorable. Mention yeah something that you something that you tried not not quite the. What's cracking but something you try. This past year that you liked but wasn't quite idea. Just real quick. Just don't have crazy off the wall. Aaron you wanna for y'all go. first logic. Eighteen year alagic loved that bottle. It was gives you the opportunity to express your love for a larger craigwell. A one more time on your top five right winds beat it out. I will never believe that you know but that's just what happened so you got one dan. I do have one ironically enough. It's one that we tried a couple of weeks ago and blinded it and it didn't make the top five but wild turkey. Rare-breed ri- oh. Yeah that's a good one is is one that you do have to do a little bit of searching for i don't know i don't know how rare it exactly was. I was lucky enough to find a bottle and a local store so pick that one up. Jake you got an honorable. Mention is due on honestly as something. We actually put an blind flight for aaron something that i tried to like man. I don't know what these flavors are but something has mix and right it is it knows mill knows meal bourbon and i think it's i think it's actually out of willett to and will it was put in my top five so i mean he's will freak. I know well. Honestly i didn't. I didn't know. I had to look and find out where was from and i've come to find out from own. Hey right but we've puerto blindfolded over mike and out of that blind flight. That was my number one. I was like man this is. This is really good but of of my top five. It just wasn't good enough to make the cut of top-five bourbons of twenty twenty sitting in front of us. Each we do have all of our number one. Is that tom. It is the time so we were going to taste. I guess we're not going to really. It's a bland. flight really. Is one flight so left to right right to left. And then we'll start talking about tasting left right. Get a get a good in there somewhere. And we'll give her a give score and rat so let's do knows. Hey ladies and just call me lady ladies and gentlemen. That's really nice. See that's not a seems spicy to me. Probably because we have two that are pretty happy. Proof see this one to me. Is a little bit lighter but i you know i could be very wrong. All baking spices on that knows. The nose is a little bit of raw little ryan. I do get a little bit of a well. I i. I'm not the one. I'm the beginner guy. So is all i get so we wanna go navy listening to learn spice a little bit of sweetness in the bill. It's going for this taste. Oh no that's not right. That's not right suite. that is i think. That's that's gonna burn all even have to know what that one is. That one's good. The finish is great on that one of these three i had. I've had two of these. So i mean i could tell you what i think. It is but that doesn't mean right. We'll get into that later so to be honest after after sits there for a second smoke. Little musty. little musty musty. I mean i don't know how you guys think but that's just to me on the nose like you sit there for a second and oxidized. Just get a little bit of that. Most like it's been sitting there for awhile. Well we're gonna we're gonna come back to that when we get a little little pretzel action here. Sorry sorry the noises absolutely terrible but then we're going to move on to e. to let it be let it be number be really. Oh this is just vanilla straight vanilla and caramel. and that's all vanilla caramel. That's all fees. A think i know my nose is betraying them to get into a little bit on that. Taste the new get man and all you tasted. It's it is carmel. it tasted just carmel. I tell you what. I think this is but i think it's gonna be wrong. That is a smooth girl to all my good this smooth but you get a little bit of that right there in the chest that nice warmth and on a day like this. It's worth it. You know what that's called and it's called the kentucky talking touching hug and the longer you have that kentucky hug the more bergen you need to drink to keep that kentucky go oh okay so oh well what you're saying is i should try this again. I guess so. I think i know these. Abc well it might be you. i'm a beginner. I don't know jack jack. That one's definitely well. We'll get to that in a second. We're going to have to go back. We're going to though we don't want to. We're not leaving bourbon. The glad we don't have to we're going to so what are we. got on. c. got cleanse the palate. A little bit over this chocolate better depress will keep it the same. Get a little bit of practice. A little bit of water. Get the pound. Good clinton so if you've never done a blind taste while we're kind of cleaning clinton or palate very easy to do find somebody to pour you. Three or four bourbons can friend could be a friend could be your grandma down. The street could be a total stranger except your kids. That's probably not a good idea but yeah let your kids handling expensive stuff for me. It's fine have them land for out you get another room. Come back incident what this will allow you to do. Is it will really allow you to training. Your since is a little bit more training your your sense of smell your sense of taste and never ever ever drink bourbon without giving it a nose and i know that we're probably speaking to some people who've been in burma longtime there may not be and we may have some people who grabbed the bottle. Puerto glasses just drink. Never and you don't want one can't say anything about that trip last year being the first one i've had because we went for a friend's bachelor party about four years ago five years ago and we we ran into this woman who is doing a new bourbon. I don't i remember honestly. I don't remember we'd been drinking already and we picked a hotel literally two blocks across from a liquor store. We pick a hotel real close to a liquor store because we knew how we were going to be. It's bachelor party. Everybody knows that goes but we had a friend with us. And this woman was doing free tastings and she was giving you the direction. How to taste this things in our buddy. Of course being a country boy walks up just immediately lou. She goes and what you wanna do is not that him immediately just calls them out. Not that and the policemen other drink did he. Did he give her the no. Here's what was good ban this this we got her hand now is pretty good vervins. See that's straight straight just going to call it out. That's why i'm not either. But i'm gonna call it out. Just kaffir got. We're doing blondes. My had ruined a blonde at order. Goodness see this is the must of the mall him to me. This is like immediately. it's like must've carmel. it's well. We'll talk about why it's musty. Lay in just a second god man. It all smells good. Yup yup yup yup sweet. Oh my god doesn't sweet sweet. I'm gonna be honest with you so we're gonna go down the line and name them real quick. I'm going to be honest with you that we don't know what's what or do we have raised them. And then we're gonna we're gonna read them. And then i'm going to once we've calculated a score. I'm going to reveal what what they are. Let's guess at least guess at least yeah. Okay i go further casey. Okay mister mistress jazz. just love it. I i do this a lot though. I mean i have done this. All of today once wants now. This is the first one so my wife does. She's really cool about it. She's she'll she'll forming three or four and walk out of the room and man. I just let you go. Go get in on this and have people write it down so just train the sense. I'm telling you man it's it's it's really really really good and you get really good at at at a special the nose like immediately you'll know and i said that i was because of the proof gave it a little bit of the ethanol. Yup just it'll mess with you but also have sensory kit at home so that makes it a little bit cheating. I guess this is the guy who also went to the bourbon. Bourbon tasting school. So he knows what he's doing but more on the bourbon tasting school in sensory kits later. Aaron if you want to try and name these off go ahead and then we will I'm gonna go backwards. I wanna go backwards. And then we'll give him a score. What we'll do if i'm wrong. Don't tell until we're done. I won't we're going to reveal these. So i'm going to say a number or letter. A is proof. Now that's the prediction. Okay it's you you won't do. We want to do this like one by one and see who thinks what is what. Now i wanna see if mister minister me here mr carter number two. He thinks old. Carter mr and then we're going to go with number three being woodford four gray okay. So let's go backwards with these now real quick and then we can score him up because like jake said this is my first blind fly as well. I've not done. I've never done bligh ord blonde flower other people. This is cool. I really like. I mean this is a totally new experience for me and i absolutely love this. So let's go back with bourbon. See this time and will work seed a and again one more time. I'm gonna say it one more time drinking. You know what. I'm gonna have to really start nose stuff too whenever they start drinking it. Because i really don't know a lot. I just go straight in for the taste. There are some bourbon tasting notebooks. For if you're new to the nosing in the tasting and all that kind of what. They'll do as we'll give you a circle a will and that's a good way to pick out certain flavors like like and and take it with you when you go places and don't be afraid to be the weird guy like mine sitting right here in front of me learning. That's exactly what if i'm gonna be passionate about something i want to learn everything. There is no about it. So i don't be afraid to be that guy. I'm gonna australia's my goodness right nostril. Just so sweet. Sweet as just punches you in the mouth with flavor if it is what i think it is because of all of those grains like you're getting gee whiz batman. I wonder which one that is on speaking of grains on the board. I just said it. So i'm gonna take pretzel here. I'm gonna. I'm gonna take another during we're gonna get right back with bourbon. Be you know what. I'm getting a little honey in there on that third one. Yep yep just just nib. I think mine's more on the back end. Yes right on the tone but like fresh honey like honeycomb like what gets the middle of summer. Here's some bees and take that take that good on you. Just vic did some bees from their hive so you call yourself winnie the pooh yeah. Yeah so letter. B so so delicate but on the same instance finished their a of baking spices. Yeah rock. That's raas spice. I mean it's it's in my throat right near the rats by many right at the front of my excuse me. Yeah no. that's how bad it is like right as it goes down. Is that spice. Yeah hit you right at the tip of your saugus and just go straight down. So i'm gonna actually skip the pallet plans this time and just go straight for a just for the sake of time. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go for a quick pout. Enters nella win and you know what a little more on the front end. is you. Save in ila. And right as you said it. I was thinking it on the nose. You get a little bit of another without making spicer hint like if you're baking cakes you would overly spiced just slightly almost a. I don't wanna say fruitcake almost rum cake. Almost kind of yeah almost like a rum cake but there are just me absolutely nuts but like banana. There's a banana there's a little bit of clove. Got all three of these are really good but we gotta we gotta give them a score out of ten. So we're going to start with aaron. Aaron what would you rate bourbon. A day just go down from highest developed senses to lows develop a sense shows a. I'm gonna. I'm gonna rank a nine nine really going high ball so it's got that toffee that sweet that a little bit of toffee on there. Yeah so for me a probably about eight eight. I'm going to get it not knows on this and give it a taste here to me. I don't think it's as good as the other ones. But that's just me. I'm gonna give it like a six or five five six five and a half five and a half five and a half six. Make the math. Easy roundup coming from a math teacher. We don't wanna use any decimals or fractions here. Right so aaron. What do you have on letter b. Her be asked me way. I'm gonna go with eight. And the reason why i say a little bit because just a little bit too much of the the rams spice on the back end in to me it just it kind of brings it below that i one just a little bit but just a little now. I said no fractions. I would give it an eight point five but we're going to call it. Seems to me is just a little empty. It's missing something. I honestly if we're naming names. I think this is the four grain really to me. I think this is the foreground seemed to me. I think this is the old carter. This me thinking. It's an old carter. But i'm gonna put this in about five five five holy cow. It's just not is not doing it for me. Do you have the list over there in front of you right now and i'm just i was hurt. I have my tasting note going down going down. It's smooth but on the run and it's super spicy. Like altogether over my palate tastes sweeter on the second round. But just on the tip of the tongue it's spice to seven. I'm gonna say seven solid seven solid seven a solid seven. It's a good bourbon. It's great. I wouldn't consider it perfect by any means. But it's it's a solid solid seven. It is a solid seven on a scale of one to ten all right so erin. What do you have on letter. C. letters see have ninety five dollars. Have a bottle. I'm gonna go with up lowest to the bunch. My oh say be crazy if this comes out in a tie seven. Just there's something lacking. I don't know if it's too seems a little lower proof the other two and so and we were just talking about low. I could see that. I could see that. It doesn't burn as much as the others. But that's what i like about it. I'm a big fan of it so for me on see. This has everything that i want a good bourbon. It's it seems like it's a little bit lower proof but it has all that big bold flavor. I guess you have a lot of movie that it punches you in the mouth with with flavor a lot of orange vests to me. No sorry remind weather forecast. I talk about it a lot. The one weather forecasts guy about four or five years ago. They cut to them from wherever they were from two to miami beach and they they're introducing a new hurricane coming through new hurricanes. I can't even remember. Hurricane was there's so many that hit florida but but the introduced. Look tom tom. What's happening on the beach in popped in this guy and he goes. We are about to get punched in the face. This guy is just perfect. I don't even care what. I don't know what the guys name was. I just remember that line of we are about to get punched. He's talked about hurricane. I'm like that needs to be a podcast about get punched in the face as we do a blind of tin bourbons bourbons. We can find so this one for me. This is the highest one. I'm gonna give it a nine. Wow i love zone and that's so called because we're sitting here together in a room and you think it's a nine and i think it's a seven probably even closer to a six. We're not arguing about it. Nope no everything subjective because bourbon is meant to be enjoyed your personal taste. It doesn't matter what anybody else says. Give this woman number seven another seven. Another and i know i know i feel like i've tasted better but i can't place it so it's weird because these are all our number ones but i feel like i feel like this is so mr scorekeeping rate. We have a two way tie for first. Gosh between bourbon a and bourbon see should should we try and break the tires. Should we be happy with sab happy. I'm let's just so you can tell which one is scoring lowest because this is one that's still has something left into the glass. So let's see if i can find this page here real quick. I assume our while we're doing. This is lovely poor man. He did he wrote them down. Wow wow i'm surprised okay. Was that completely all know. Spot a full proof meld. It bourbon be. The one i felt was a little bit lacking is old carter. I on that one and that was sixty nine percent alcohol. it didn't taste it whatsoever and bourbon see woodford four grains so we have a tie between well all brew and woodward rain. That is absolutely a mess. Nuts now one thing that i could say off that for grain knows of the more four grains that you've had the more that you'll pick up real quick because a four grain and i wanted to make sure before musty. It has a musty flavor because of all of the grains being put together so wow on that to be completely honest that's very first time in another only three of them so it was straight on these. Maybe if i were to guess i will. I've ever been able to name in a row all of them. And if i were to guess at these i wouldn't have guessed the first because i have no idea because they were both so spicy third one. The third one was not nearly as spicy. So i would have instantly guest for grain on that one because the proof ages lowered and guess what guys both of those bottles. You can't find anymore. Hardly forty nine ninety that no no. No i'm sorry. Fifty four ninety nine fifty four. That's absolutely amazing. And that just goes to show you is a straight up seven fifty while the other one is a pint though true bill. You're getting you're getting more bang for your buck. But at the same time. I mean the taste is just fantastic fantastic. But that's going to wrap it up for our top five of twenty twenty. You heard it here. We had a high between weller foolproof and woodford four grain. If you want to know what's coming up next on the broken cork you can follow our facebook again. At the broken court crew follow us on twitter and as always check out our bus sprout and soon to be out in the world of other podcast hosting stations. Like google. Play saying is apple podcasts. You name it. We hope to be on it. But like i said we want to thank you again for joining us on the broken cord podcast. And until next time guys keep your bar stocked your glass full and your mind on the pulse of america's national spirit.
309 - Slowly Rocking Bourbon on Barges with Hank Ingram
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Trail is always non chill filtered premium whisky with unparalleled flavor. Distilled aged and bottled in danville. Kentucky got over a thousand barrels sitting in there and It's it's myself and one other gentleman that handled every single one. Because i'm cheap strong. Back i ever. Every dollar i spend is one dollar. I can't put into another barrel. Whisky episode three hundred nine of bourbon. Pursuit the podcast featuring news reviews and interviews with people making the bourbon was industry happen. I'm one of your host. Kenny coleman and before we start today's episode talking about river aged whiskey. Here's your weekly bourbon. News update uncle. Nearest is launching a fifty million dollar venture fund to help minority owned spirits brands. The fund is already chosen its first to investments in each company is set to receive an initial two million dollars in funding. More information about applying for acceptance into the fund can be found at uncle. Nearest dot com slash u. n. ventures. And if you're in the chicago area get ready for the first official bowl young bourbon week. And it's slated for june ninth to the thirteenth featuring events with cocktails bands brunches and signature dishes get more information on the events and purchase tickets online at bull young urban dot com and now moving onto bourbon released news. Russell's reserve is unveiling a new limited release urban russell's reserve thirteen year old which is bottled at one hundred. Fourteen point eight proof the kentucky straight. Bourbon has the stamp of approval from master distiller. Eddie russell and is up. Barrel proof release but is also non chill. Filtered vessels reserved thirteen year old will be available in the united states at seventy dollars per bottle for a limited time only and louisville based uncle bush's straight bourbon. Whiskey recently announced a new limited release of a thirteen year. Old bourbon created by. What's using said to be the families. Two hundred year old secret recipe produced by buzzard's roost. Single barrel number. One is one hundred and twenty three point three proof and single brel number two as one hundred proof and the new release comes bottled and classic stoneware jugs have been handcrafted at stoneware and company sold only at boozed dot com uncle bouzis. I limited release was single. Barrel number one is only available in a limited edition crate containing three jugs which sell for four hundred ninety seven dollars plus shipping single barrel number two sells for one hundred and sixty nine dollars per jug plus shipping and small batch number one is also available for one hundred thirty nine dollars per jug. Only seven hundred jugs will be available in total. Booker's is releasing their second batch of twenty twenty one called the tag along batch. In this batch celebrates the way that six generation master distiller booker. No learn the ropes at the distillery by tagging along with his grandfather. Jim beam seventh generation. Master distiller fred. No learn much of what he knows about the whiskey by following in his dad's footsteps digesting all the information he could buy a working alongside them at the distillery. And it's also tradition that fred continues to this day with his son freddie and that wall so one day should be shared with future generations. This release is six years and five months old proofed at one hundred twenty seven point nine and we'll be available for ninety dollars. The name ingram that may ringing bells. If you're in the tech space you may have heard the name ingram micro if you're in logistics. You may know the ingram barge company and if you're in the nashville area. The name ingraham is pretty synonymous with philanthropy and now the ingram name is taking on bourbon. We're joined by hank ingram. He's the founder ingram river aged whiskey. The concept is pretty simple. Take a bunch of the barges. They own put a bunch of bourbon barrels on it and let them agent floating warehouse. Hank tells us more about his family. And what led him to start this company and all the legal hurls you face when you're trying to store thousands of gallons of bourbon on a river barrel bourbon is known for their expertise in crafting unique blends taking lots of different whiskies from different regions. And bottling it a cask strength and you can even buy them online just visit barrel. Bourbon dot com today. Click the buy now button into wednesday's his episode and here's spread mimic with above the jar. I'm fred mimic and this is above the char. Today's above the our idea comes from matthew. Kaiser who writes. I've been doing on a potential idea for above the char that i believe i haven't heard dusty have been hunted for years now and whiskey geese love them however if you spend any time online these days you will see that people get berated for not opening bottles and just holding them. That's true by the way now. Some may not be whiskey. Geeks in are just speculating. My question is if we don't hold onto some bottles what will be the dusty of the future that our kids can enjoy. Now he goes on to talk about like how cool it would be to be able to do. A comparison with people in the future. And i think that's a that's a wonderful question. It's not really so much of a question as it's kind of a look at the current mood and philosophy of buying whiskey. yes there is indeed An excitement you get that special bottle and you do want to open it up and enjoy with friends but inevitably i think it's okay to sit back and and hold it over to enjoy later now. What will be the dusty of the future. Now here's the thing. What i think of dusty. I like the look at how they are different than the ones from today. So i would be looking at brands. That are on the rise in our brands that You know. I can tell you just knowing how you know. The history of whiskey has gone in twenty years. They'll be completely different. And you have a chance to get younger expressions from the likes of something like a rabbit hole where peerless. Those are two hands right there that are young and you can get them now and you can taste them in comparison to the stuff In the future. And i can guarantee you their stuff today as well as new river and wilderness trail are going to be sought after highly coveted dusty. He's in twenty forty one. Oh my god twenty forty one. Isn't that crazy to even think about that far ahead so those are for right there that i can think of that would be really great bottles to hang onto. I'd also be looking at the blends like Like barrel or even like listen. I'm not a part of their their brand. But i think What kenny and ryan doing with Pursuit of pursuit series especially the united. I think that's one to take a look at in the future as well because blends are all the rage right now. Everyone's talking about blends everybody's getting into blends. What will they be like in fifteen years. I don't know tasted wants from today. Compare them to tomorrow In general. I think that You will not find a whole lot of Of change in interest for the ones that are through the roof right now and if you have If you want to sipa bottle today you know that's fine. That's siptah bottle today. And if you want to hold the bottle for tomorrow that's fine too but what's not fine is just letting it go to waste forgetting about it so whatever you do have a bottle have a plan for it and if you need some help drinking it call kinney ryan army will be happy to drink it for you. And that's this week's above the char. Hey matthew kaiser thank you for the message here. If you'd like be like matthew in write me an idea for by the char hit me. Up on frederick dot com. That's dot com until next week cheers. Everybody welcome back to the episode of pursuit. The official podcast of urban and ryan here today talking about something. That's very unique. We've actually had other types of venture capitalists on the show to talk about what they do and how they put basically barrels of whiskey as collateral towards growing company. And we always find that interesting. Because ron and i we know at this point you know kinda starting brands ourselves that it is very capital intensive venture when you start getting into whisky especially trying to build it yourself. And today's guests is by no means any short of that. We get to talk about a family in history and legacy and really what they're doing to actually start investing into whiskey in itself. So i mean ryan i. I know that we don't know much about the ingram's but we could find online. It's a pretty interesting history. Yeah gosh one. Quick google search. And there's like a a family lineage for decades And it was incredible. So i'm excited to to meet our guests in here a story and yeah the you know. Bourbon is very capital intensive. My gosh it's as we're finding out a Enough capital because you're always looking forward to five years down the road and so you have to have product to sell now and later and so it just takes so much cash upfront in. It's great opportunity for investors because it is an appreciating asset You know the the clear liquid Brown makes it go up evalu- so you keep adding digits onto it. It just keeps going higher up in value. And i think you know we've we've been in this for a while now now doing our own kind of contract new make. We've been told that you'll never sell a barrel of whiskey for less than what you bought it for at least in today's economy. We we have a pretty good pretty good assumption. That's the way it's going to be so we hope so. We don't so fingers crossed. Here's and carolina to here's the next decade and a half open that everything works out for it so So today on. The show were actually privileged to have hank ingram. Hank is the ceo of brown water spirits based at a nashville tennessee. So hank welcome to the show. Good morning guys. It's a pleasure to be on cool so before we kind of dig into family history and now whiskey and itself and stuff like that. We always like to start off with some kind of raynham icebreaker to kinda just let folks know a little bit more about you. So hank yours is. What is your favorite video game of all time. What a good question. Why favorite video game of all time I i'd have to just go with zelda majorities mask auchan of time. I've played it a lot. I would recommend playing it with a cheat guide because it's a game genie more fun when you knew where everything is. Did you grow up with like any s or sds like what was your console. Joyce sixty four definitely and sixty four thank you and then goldeneye and mario kart all that sort of stuff on sixty four. That was huge. Oh yeah poke on. Snap was also a big one but remember blockbuster video when that was a thing you know you could take your your game cartridge in there and you could print out your pictures that you had taken in the game and i thought that was so cool. Blockbuster forget about the favorite. I mean golden is probably. I'd probably lost three or four years easily of my life to that game and probably call of duty as well Just callans mindless hours. Late night that black hole you just like. What four am. I gotta go to bed. You know if you re also big into halo. I'd never gone to halo. 'cause i don't like safa like reality. All jump on your. I really like call of duty for me. I was like. I always like the one on one fighting game so like street fighter and tekken like where two and i was. I was big into playstation. That was kind of like the console i loved. Even though he had grown up with playstations they had a lot of games. I think that was like one of the first consoles that broke a lot of boundaries for graphics and stuff like that so yeah zelda was too i love that game also burned a lot of hours on it. Well we could probably spend a lotta time just talking about video games if we wanted to if we want to take it in a whole different direction here. I'm sure you know i got to. I got you guys. So let's let's dive in a bit more about you and your family history. No ryan kind of mentioned you could google ingram's nashville and see a long lineage of a companies and and things that started like i actually came from the tech background or i still from tech background and i was like man i remember this thing called ingram micro back in the day and i looked at it was like oh yeah there. We go soul. They sold that company. I was like that's you all have your hands in and a lot of things so i wanna let you kind of. Just give a brief family. History will share in an. I'll keep it brief but really it. It all goes back to Kind of what. We're talking about which is. Oh ingram So we've we've used I'm technically the fourth. But i go by the third and my grandmother was gonna name my dad the third but she thought that was too long so she kind of cut one guy out of the family tree. So it's it's a funny story but you go back to my great great great grandfather and He was orphaned as a young child and grew up in new york moved to the midwest and and was then. Wisconsin was in the lumber business and he was working in these Sawmills he actually. He was a very smart. Just kind of like the gentlemen lumberjack. If you will He invented the this technology called the double edged ganger which is a different way to cut trees. And i guess finish them but he never patent it and so He always kinda regretted that. And i've heard these stories of of You know how he started out and He was the one that really kind of started our family on on our journey that we're on today and it is a journey While the saw mills are important is the way that they would ship the the would when they cut these trees down. They'd send him down the river down the chip wall and other rivers To to the mills where they be processed fast forward to my two generations later to my great-grandfather also known as orrin henry ingram He went by hank he took that kind of legacy and got us into the the barge business we were really started in the barge business around the late thirty thirties early forties and just again kind of that river lifestyle. He moved the family to nashville. That's that's why we're still here today. I grew up in this this family. That's been around the river. And when i was in undergrad. I always thought it'd be a toe boater. I didn't realize until i got out of school. There'd be a little bit of an asterisk beside that that that definition but i've grown up around A family that's been around the river and we've also got an interest in book distribution which was kind of a fluke that my grandfather wound up getting into this business and and that's kind of ingram micro things came from was some future iterations on on that enterprise. But what i'm doing today is is kind of tie back to what our family's always kind of been in the industrial space and Being around the river. I knew a few things about shipping. And when i discovered a bourbon really it was after college that i i kinda got to take an appreciation to it and learn more about its history and Once i understood how it had this relationship with the river the these these settlers as they were were running from the tax man on the east coast. They went to the west to the wild frontier which was kentucky at the time and they settled along. The river had this great highway system which was essentially the river and use that to ship their barrels to market to new orleans. And that's where it got distribution and really took off in popularity and learning about that at it while i know about shipping things on a barge and you know let's let's see what we could do with with whisky and and that's that's why i'm here today. You got to tell me. I want to toe boater all right. So a lot of people talk about barges but The boats are actually the things that you use to push barges always get the question so do guys like live on the barge actually live on the boat. That's pushing the barges so You know little tober inside joke So a lot of the folks in the industry that they're not barger their toe boaters see. Now it makes sense to go toe boaters. Good living to clients who did that. He would leave louisville at a logo. Go down to new orleans and take him the week they pick a bow that come back up here. He loved it. Yeah you live on the boat for a month. You know twenty eight days on twenty eight days off so it's like a family away from home and these guys the boat. Is there there floating home in. It's a really unique culture and dot. Actually some of our biggest supporters of the business going on With the whisky have been a lot of tobe odors at paducah and and western kentucky. And so what made you think that you're going to be doing that for the rest of your life. Well i don't know if it was necessarily doing the rest of my life but it was just a an idea of you. Know here's something that's unique and different Nobody else seems to be using a barge or or a floating. Rick house turns out. it's illegal two warehouse spirits on vessels so we had to get around a few elements red tape. But now we've got the first floating. Rick house anywhere in the world and fully permitted got Over a thousand barrels sitting in there and It's it's myself and one other gentleman that hand load every single one. Because i'm cheap a strong back. I ever every dollar spent as one less dollar. I can't put into another barrel. Whiskey right said. Yeah hopefully you can have a strong back to do it. I mean we've we've been plenty of warehouses and we've seen people that clock barrels and movement and out and we're like that doesn't were not fit for us. We're not going to do it. Well i'll tell you a story when we first got out there and started loading the barrels. This was spring of two thousand nineteen. And i i got this palate staffer which is a hydraulic foot operated. Comp- 'cause when you're in a an rick house in a barge that's got barrels in it. It's an explosive environment. So you're limited on the type of equipment you can use. I learned that the hard way I didn't blow anything up by I was telling somebody about the tasting barrels with dwelt drill. And they said let's explosion proof right and i thought they were kidding. 'cause what's explosion proof now. It's a drill. So i thought i would get myself you know this fancy loader and it was a hydraulic stocker. I start pumping the thing up with my foot. Goes about an inch every pompous okay. That's doable. I load two barrels on it. Because that's what would that will once. It had a thousand pounds of weight on it. It go about a ten pumps to go in search and i had had six my buddies out there and we were going to load this thing up. We're gonna roll three hundred barrels around. They heard taste three hundred barrels. I said move says a little bit of communication and about five of them quit within the first three hours because it became a Across class trying to pump these things up and after that i spent a little bit more money on the right equipment but lesson learned. I would imagine that the to roll back a little bit so you all are trying to do something. Unique of of having a floating recounts But i also kinda wanna before we get into some of that. I wanna talk about your venture into this like at. What point did you say you know. Whiskey has has a really good future. And i think that we should start really putting some money here and looking at you know the outcome like what are. What's the return on investment. So kind of runs through whether it's spreadsheets rather as ideas are just talking to the family like what was what was the catalyst that really drove you. That said we should probably get into the whiskey business to you. Know it was Really what spurred the interest was in was i was in business school and i was working on finance accounting kind of brushing up on those skills and wit to a whiskey tasting that was put on by club there and really fell in love with the With the story of how. It's made and the craftsmanship that goes into it and so from there. I kind of had this interest. And then i wanted to learn a little more about the business side of it because obviously when your business school They pound the stuff into you and and so just some research of what does it take to make whisky. And the more. I got into it as you guys have have. Come to to learn yes you. It's very capital intensive but there is an opportunity to take hundreds of dollars and turn them into thousands of dollars. If you have the patience to wait long enough and so using a little bit of knowledge and mostly a lot of dumb luck i started building out the spreadsheet and from there i had conversations and just would fill in the blanks as we go along so to give you time reference I really started the idea at the end of two thousand fourteen and we launch our first whiskey until the end of twenty twenty and fall of two thousand twenty so it it's really been a six year journey to not only get the business plan right but also weighed on on the whiskey to to reach the the right level of maturity being on on the barge and getting that that interaction so i came up with the concept and i had discussions with the right folks in the industry i think the stars aligned a little bit on this maya my godfather who i've grown up next door his. He's has a place next on my dad and he's been very close called him uncle robert. He's a liquor distributor here in town and I went to business. School got exposed to the bourbon story in the history there Being in the bar business as a family it's just kind of like the pieces. Were there and it be shame on me for not trying to put them together into something. You're kind of speaking my love language. When it comes to spreadsheet so i can i can totally relate with you on on that and being able to figure out. What's the viability of being able to do this. And so in twenty fourteen. You had this idea. And you're you're kind of taking it back and forth and figuring out. Is this something that can be possible at some point. You've gotta go. You gotta get capital from somewhere to make it all happen and was there talking to family like kind of talk about. How did that happen to be able to talk them and say hey do this too. Shall we start investing funds in here like how did that all sorta come about to end. Did they think you're crazy. Because that's always the one thing. We talked to people in there like it started distillery. Nobody's like you're crazy. Don't start a distillery. yeah well you know. Some in my family heard Illegal two warehouse spirit sauna vessel. And they're like it'll never work. And i was like okay. Well you know. I i like to be a little Tenacious and see if i can flex things without necessarily breaking things and we found the right guy who just happened to be at this tax convention where they were talking about something This this case where the kind of the meat of the case was if something floats is it automatically vessel and it went to the supreme court determined. Not just because you float you're not automatically a vessel. We use that logic to apply for our experimental permit and then ultimately operating permit But to get the capital to do. So i really kind of fronted the initial experimental side if you will with with my own savings and and then once once we were able to determine that the the barge had an effect on aging the whiskey It was a much simpler proposition. And i tasted my friends and my family on it and it was like i think we have something here and It's it's got a unique story. It's a unique process and in whiskey in my opinion is a good investment. And i i use those three ten minutes to to go out and convinced. Some friends convinced. Some family that yeah. Hey let's throw a little bit in here to your point about spreadsheets. The only thing that i've found that is right on a spreadsheet is your name and and i got some great advice which was raised more money than you think you'll need which came in very handy And so you know. I'd say everything that we've raised. We put into into inventory. And i i keep a very tight ship it's Just me and one other guy and then we have a a team that we work with For for marketing and then an outside team that we work with Communications and And then with our distributor so really kind of managing all these pieces and bringing them together. But you know my first focus is every dollar that i spend on something. That's not. Whiskey is is one less barrel to bottle in the future. It was the initial first run of barrels. That convinced you that the whiskey had changed on that boat so we did An experiment of nine barrels total. We took Three barrels and age those interest and we took six barrels across two different barge types. Yes there's actually different types of barges. And i wanted to see which one was more suitable for for aging whiskey. And that's where we came up with this fiberglass design which the bars that we use now. Ironically used to be used to transport corn. So it's a you know it still has corn just a little different shape and so the the six barrels. After six months there was a difference. In the way the the whiskeys kinda took this divergent path from from the control samples versus the the barge samples. And and after that time it was okay. There's potentially something here. Let's take the next step in again. We were operating on experimental permit. At that point we had to go from experimental to operational and Now we're we've got the operational permit and you know. I'm about to lay down a about seven hundred barrels this year and you know each year kind of growing but when we got that experimental permit there's gonna be the operational permit. I started buying just a handful of barrel. So you know the first released. We came out with was forty barrels And so you go from forty barrels of our first release now our land down seven hundred four years time you talk about capital intensive Yes i'm learning that especially a and then you sprinkle a pandemic on top and then it gets really exciting. No kidding what was it that gave you a non vessel status versus missile. You're talking about like if it floats. It's not necessarily a vessel. So can you explain that a little bit more sure so a barge is a bucket I find that there's not a lot of people outside of kentucky you know. Trains go through everybody's community people know what trains are Barges are kind of in certain parts of the country and so not everybody has billiard with what a barges so a barge a bucket essentially that moves grain moves gravel. Coal There's chemical barges as well but those are kind of a different design so this particular barge was designed to move grain. It's a little bit deeper than your normal barge. It's two hundred feet long. It's about twenty eight feet wide inside the hopper itself and then from the bottom of the floor to the top of the cover because he's are covered is about twenty feet so we have the capacity to hold about this bar. Hold two thousand barrels. But the next one that we're gonna design will hold three thousand barrels coming from like a whiskey geek side of this like. I'm trying to picture in my head. 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I think that are important to why This this process is unique I think the most obvious is being on the river. The spark is exposed to a lot of motion and so we don't actually transit the river. We stay in one point. And it's in wickliffe kentucky in ballard county That's the headwaters of the mississippi. It's where the ohio river and the the upper mississippi come together to make the lower mississippi right across from k. royal away and so the point on this river. it's it's a half a mile wide. You get good windstorm. That comes up and we get some pretty good waves. But there's a lot of water flowing through their In so the the barge actually about seventy feet deep where. It's where it's more and so there's a lot of water falling pass Water round so. It's constantly in motion and and you go into a number rick house and you'll see had these hanging down on a plumb bob and the plumb bob is used to indicate if the recalcitrant is over weight on one side or the other if it is then you know okay. We need to go this cider here to keep the balance well the barges so big when you go inside of it and you can't there's no windows everything And so. I put this plumb bob in there to actually capture visually what the motion is doing. And and if you look at it it's it's doing just kind of this this gentle swaying back and forth at as just straight perpendicular and. So what that's doing is it's keeping these barrels constantly in motion and so the whiskey inside the barrels is is churning slowly over the years and that's exposing more of the whiskey to the sidewall of the barrel it's it's kind of increasing the surface area and so if you think about the way a whiskey barrel ages the stuff that is imparting the flavour and is receiving the flavor is the whiskey. That's touching the barrel and so the stuff in the middle is really just kind of sitting there and so by by keeping this motion. You're constantly getting the whiskey washing over the charcoal. I think there might also be kind of sub pointed out which is as it moves over. This charcoal I think a natural filtering process of the charcoal itself. Not just the the sap in the would. But i think we're seeing some of the some of the compounds the heavier chemicals and whatnot getting filtered out and so you know it's really resulting in this nice kind creamy mouth. Feel with a little bit smoother. Finish than i think you'd expect on on some of the ages and so that's that's one The first element. The second is on the river. It's very humid. And so we get a lot of humidity coming off and keeping our barrels moist. So your traditional kentucky summers You get very hot in the top of the house and when you do you get hot and dry we get hot and stay moist and what that's doing is it's keeping the keeping the barrels sealed a little bit better so we don't you walk in there and you don't get this giant with of angels share like you do in your additional rick house and I think it's also keeping the sugar inside More of a molasses consistency rather than drying out and kind of losing the ability to impart flavor. So that's that's kinda one Hypothesis of what's going on there and then the third is is the temperature As we mentioned so We get huge diurnal shifts in the summertime and diurnal shift is your difference between your daytime highs and your lows and And so it can get up to one hundred twenty degrees in there and then once the sun goes down in the water kind works like a heat sink to pull the heat out of the barge. It'll get down to eighty degree. See you get a forty degree. Temperature swing inside there and then even in the wintertime. The water keeps the barge actually slightly warmer because the temperature of the water is warmer than the atmosphere. And so once you get below kind of forty degrees whiskey kind of goes dormant and so it. It stays kind of on that doormat line inside the rick house which is kind of interesting so you know it's the temperature it's the humidity. It's the motion to give an example of motion right now. It's about thirty feet on the river. Gauge how high. The water level is the low point. This year is about fifteen feet earlier last year to twenty twenty when the We had a bunch of rains. Think it was up in the fifties so you can get thirty five feet of fluctuation on this barge. So there's there's a lot going on in their for somebody who went to business school. You seem really amped up about everything. That's happening on with the whisky here. Well listen i. It's great to have great ideas but if if you can't put put a number behind it and convince investors passionately goes so far so You gotta make 'em greedy by the by the business side. You have fun with the passion for sure in kind of one question. I have as well as we probably get into it. Because you know a lot about barges it's in your family's business like did you grow up on a barge was your first getting any sort of work. Experience like working in that sort of industry like kind of talk about how you became so knowledgeable on barges as well. I wouldn't i wouldn't say i'm an expert there guys out there that that Technically can do things with rope. you wouldn't even imagine. And they know all the bits and pieces and the terminology is just a whole other thing in itself. But so i went to washington lee university for undergrad and during the summers i would work in the family business In different parts of the organization for a moment there. I thought i wanted to be a computer programmer so our it department shadowing somebody who was a programmer. Shadowing a programmer is very interesting. Because you're you're watching them type over their shoulder and you don't have a lot of technical skills like yeah and can you make this chart. Look pretty so i realize i didn't want to go in that. That route but understand what the what the side of the businesses like spent some time with our sales guys so i was actually in hazzard county kentucky with coal miners at and we went through lexington Right when i turn twenty one actually and and boy coal miners. They know how to drink their whiskey the next morning our sales rep. Who else with he he. He met me at the elevator with a handful. Advil knew exactly what was gonna happen. So i've been in different parts of the business when i graduated college. That's when i actually went to work on the tow boats. And i spent some time as a deckhand and it started out deckhand training school in june in paducah kentucky. It's hot it's humid. And you're you're lifting. These ninety pound straps a coil. You're lifting these hundred twelve pound something like that. Ratchets that the us to tighten the the so all the barges are are lashed together if you will and you use these cables and these ratchets to do so tight knit all downs. It's good and taught and then the boat pushes it. Our normal toes about fifteen barges on the upper rivers on the lower mississippi words good and wide we can go forty five Up to fifty six barges okay. And so we're talking two hundred feet long thirty five feet wide and you've got fifty of those We can actually move Like four acres. I think of of real estate in front of these boats. So it's slow. It's quiet it's out of the way people don't really know about it. But corn corn moves mostly by by barge it can It's the greenest and and the the least expensive mode of transportation so You know pokes barges do well. You turn on a light switch. You're welcome next time. I on the how river now see one. I'm just going to be studying it. Now yeah it doesn't have whiskey on it. Sorry guys can't put you can't move. The whiskey is essentially as it has to stay stationary. you can. actually you can ship things down the river. If you can ship hazardous cargo I think even You know just about anything can be shipped on the river including barrels. But then you have state apportionment with taxes and you've got all these kinds of issues as a company I don't believe Ingram has ever ship whiskey. That was barreled. I believe we've actually shipped A tank of of whiskey before or alcohol used for you know industrial processes. But that can be done but for our purposes because we are warehousing it is it is a dsp it's permitted facility and so the permit is for an area. It's not foreign activity so we can't. We can't leave that area because they want to be able to come and see okay. We've got all your barrels here and we know what taxes assign and so for that reason we we don't move but at the worst case scenario if if things just like went bad you could be like all right pulp the anchor. Let's let's tug this thing down in mexico. Let's go if you see that barge flooding down the river. Call me because there's issue and something's gone wrong. You had mentioned that. There's you know there's a lot of things that you can you can take onto a barge seeing as you know your family's been in this business for a long time. Can you recall the oddest thing. That you all actually had to take down a river like circus animals or something like that Man so i we actually move molasses in barges as i said we've we've moved neutral grain spirits basically vodka in barges. We've done a few project cargo things way. Before my time we were involved in the alaska pipeline believe we used to have some ocean going barges. And actually we pioneered the first ocean-going towboat barge and then it sank so we got out of that business but could store there. We don't hear that when much at the family table but it's always kinda fun to to to pope. What happened to that one again. What was it's name. So i listen for any of your listeners. Out there if you've got something big and bulky we had somebody call us one time to see if we could move their house for them on one of our barges so Who knows we have a logistics business. We'd be happy to have a conversation you never know. Yep figure that one out so it sounds like you've got a lot of great plans for the future for the whiskey everything like that. I mean it you talked about the these barges holding two thousand three thousand barrels something like that. Then the next one barge v to a hold off three thousand barrels i mean. That's that's pretty sizable do you. Kind of look at that is like okay. Like that's our scale point like. We're we're good here or do you envision a fleet of barges sitting here that are holding tens of thousands. You know i'd love to be at a at a fleet of barges you know. I've kind of done the math. And we would not need a huge fleet but to be a pretty significant brand with some some good distribution presence. You know it would. It would probably require about ten barges or so depending on how how old are stuff is and and what capacity we we need. But now i i i see. There's a day in the future where the bank of the mississippi river is lined with a bunch of whiskey barrels mellowing on the mississippi. Have you ever thought about the contract storage for other companies because there's a lot of shortage in storage for 'cause there's a lot of people contract distilling at other places and they just don't have the storage as anyone approached you about. Hey i got barrels. That i wanna h on the river to yeah absolutely It it is something that we have talked about and will probably explore at some point but You know. I'm still in the process of of tweaking the process and until we're able to You know really get. Get the fine points down at the warehousing. Business is not exactly a an incredibly lucrative one until you have a good scale and it's it's all about costs at that point you know when you when you think about the whiskey business. There's the there's the brand side of it then there's the industrial side of it and and the brand is really where the it's like the content of and then you've got the distribution business in content is king brands or king brands. Have staying power as long as you take care of them and nurture them feed them. If if your contract distilling you have to put that whiskey into something and you need a brand to be able to do that. The the distillation process is really. It's all about scale it's You know how. How much whiskey can can you turn out. And then it's probably less capable of absorbing demand shocks. You know right now. Whiskey is in this huge boom. And if you go back and look at in the seventies there was actually more. Drinks of alcohol consumed Than than today. And we had fifty million less eligible drinking age people back in the seventies and then of course it went through this long decline in and You know that's. I think why people see this. There's this need for additional whiskey because we haven't even hit the high water mark of when it was last hot. So that's kind of all the elements that i think about it. I i've been asked you. Do you want to start a distillery. Someday and i won't. I won't rule it out but it whiskey is made in a week and aged in years and and to me i really wanna focus on the the the artsy side of how you age it and i'm perfectly happy to let somebody else you know Or let let me borrow their kitchen and use my recipe. That kind of thing absolutely. Yeah you your phone on heartstrings. There because we feel the same exact way like let the people that noted that still let them go to still focus on on what we think we can do best. I know what we actually have one of your balls. It's actually down by ryan and forgot the grab before this. I mean. do you wanna kinda divulge like where you're getting sources or anything like that from people have an idea of you know either like what they could think of like a base profile in what could compare it to the tastes years. Sure so our first release is the straight whiskey. It's a three year minimum age and this is created from two different mash bills that we blended together from m. g. p. it's a ninety five percent whiskey with a thirty six percent. Ri- bourbon and we win those together to to to get this about sixty seven percent Final ribe profile. And you know. I think you can kind of compare a Other products but Being in the barged what we're really trying to focus on is is this process to extract different flavors than traditional climate and process would allow anywhere else so hopefully one day folks are looking at their bar and they've got their scotch got the bourbons. They've got. The tennessee whiskeys and they got the river aged because each one is a little bit different process and product Going forward we have a partner distillery in owensboro green river Distilling company and. They've been they've been really source. Been the source of our our next lay down and all of our new fills. Yes a a seat but you talked about how you partnered with a distributor there in nashville an also assault on your filing to you partnered with a brindamour group which is a big brokerage in the whiskey game. We've had him on the show. They're great talk about how important that relationship been to your business in kind of deciding. Who do we wanna part with. Contract is stealing sourcing and kind of had a tau how instrumentals they've been hugely so again. This kind of goes back to the stars. Aligning on all this sort of stuff. So when i was in business school. I'm working on on this idea in a class called launching the venture Which taught by a professor at vanderbilt. He's now junk professor He he brings in forty people in the class and everybody has to pitch an idea. If your idea is selected as one of the top eight you get to higher your classmates to To be your employees and a or assign different roles and he really forces you to kinda. Hone your your story. Hone your your business plan. And so going through. The process of doing our diligence Reached out to godfather. Who's been in the space. His his family was the first distributor of jack daniels. He's got stories from his grandfather of of. You know some really cool perspective on on the way. Jack daniels got started. And and so he's just a wealth of knowledge and information and all around great guy and And so we're sitting down and he says will you need to talk to To to jason murray who. I don't know if you had jason. You probably had jeff on meyer as well and and so. I talked to jason and You know i'm telling what i wanna do. And he's like well you know. These barrels are flammable. What happens if it gets struck by lightning. Departures get struck by lightning said all the time gate that a and so his his goal i found out later was talk me out of us and he went back to my godfather robert says wail you talk him out of it and jason goes no. I think he might actually have something here. You know and so i again was was kind of took the knowledge there. We won our case competition in the class And then i decided i wanted to pursue experimental side of this and Jason reached out to me and said hey by the way. I'm leaving lemon and Starting my own thing. I'm going to go With jeff hot maier burned the ammo and You know we're gonna work on bringing brands from grain glass and I'd i'd love to be involved in so his timing And he wanted to do he. He kind of brought these relationships to me and i. They've been immensely helpful. Even from when i was thinking about okay raising money in i was kind of had evaluation in my mind. Jeff said way too cheap. Raise that value. Which i'm glad he he he he he convinced make. So i'm i started when i was twenty five. So a twenty five year old as much as we think we know everything you quickly learn you. Don't and so the the keita. Getting to this point has really been find people that know what they're talking about and ask them all the questions and then say whatever not asked you listen and i met the construction guys and talk to them about rick houses. I i met Barred suburban company. I met with a lot of these these folks in the area and incense just being around the industry. I've gotten to meet some other folks. So it's it's been you know. Every day is a learning experience just being willing to to listen and always go back and say okay. Was that assumption right due to change something. That's great. I mean as we kinda wind this down. This has been a fascinating kind of look into the you your history your family kind of how. You're carving your path in here as well. I guess one last question. I'll have for years. Were there any unforeseen hurdles when you started getting into this that that you have crossed this point hydraulic pump pal pumps in palacio de right. You know i. I'd say there's been opportunities to to improve and you know the the biggest hurdle i think that we faced was Really trying to figure out. Do we have enough whiskey because once it wants. The the first reviews started rolling in and we got ninety. Four points in the tasting panel and We we've just been collecting some some really nice feedback. It's kind of like oh great We're growing and it's like the good news. Is you grow on the bad news is you're growing so where you're gonna find the money to to keep going and and so i think just like any business It's it's managing your growth and so it's a great problem to have It's but it's it's certainly a hurdle. Because i don't want to grow this thing too quickly and in bomb twenty states with our product because again it's it's me and one other guy and then You know the two of us are are the face of the brand. And i don't want somebody that hasn't helped me load the barrel in the barge out there talking about our product because You know they don't have that physical connection with it so that's Probably a long winded answer but it. It's really just about. How do you control growth. Thought it was great and hank fake. Thank you again for coming on. If people wanna know more about you about your whiskey. How do they follow you. And how did they find it. Sure so the ingraham whiskey dot com. You can go on there and recommend folks. Check out our process page. If you wanna learn more about the actual process we we have a real time hydrographic on their where we track the rise and follow the river. And you can see you know what's been the highest stage the lowest stage. How much are barge moved moved cumulatively of over the year and so you know some stuff for folks to nerd out on what will update that with the additional features as as we go forward but Instagram ingram whiskey. Facebook ingram whiskey. And if you're out in in ballard county and and when it comes to to wickliffe give us a year. 'cause we're still working on on you know making sure that everything's cove safe and whatnot but we'd love to take folks through at the right time and endure barge and and show them what we're doing we'll come. We'll get our sea legs on your see what's going on out there. What will call. We're loading our next batch of whiskey hopefully in one in march and one june. I've got extra life vest if you need them. Cheers thinking can hang. Make sure you follow ingram whiskey on all the socialist also follow pursuit on all the social and make sure you subscribe to us wherever you get your podcast including youtube cheers. Everybody and we'll see you all next week.