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Exploring Indico: A Full Featured Event Management Platform

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Exploring Indico: A Full Featured Event Management Platform

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Throw a useful things started with the basic Hicks and FOX PHP as well. Big fan found he ended up with Tyson then kind of caught stock with because dollars could be met Haywood language after got you too. And yeah, doing lots of Pathan Java script we act few looking. People like to cliff nowadays. I went to do you. Remember how you first got introduced a python? Yes. I actually do a federal audit two thousand ten I'm in IFE network game felt was big fan. I mean fee network game fell which fan with big. And I'm was doing development and suicide to riots at science, which was we only PHP XM. So the guy who of you think that we deny pious them. So we actually use python and tornado it, which I mean, my opinion on NATO nowadays is not so great bought his time ago and fell touch with the pass and BIC blackface. And yeah, no thoughts on entire doing a bit with it kind of light at besides the frame rock and not being used to it. So far. Yeah. In typing with this actually pal fix because there was about to finish my bachelor's degree bec. Fin and. Ended up offending an education without on for doing my bed slept project, and in and I was high out to Indy team for ya in two thousand eleven which I think was actually because I have some scope, but if I'm and so are you still working with the same team? Yes. I mean, lots of choice and institute seems to be 'cause most of contracts that are now autumn. So I think yeah. Basically, and when of house new long term contracts now, I feel fame if usually but everybody who changed since then I mean, I also had to wake when I was doing my Masta. Yeah. Basics owns the team. I walked in. So. Profess from the feel of actually walking IndyCar by so much different things to do. So I wouldn't want it any way else to be on this. It's definitely lucky break to be able to get involved as early on with the project that's been able to turn out to be your career today. So congratulations on that front and wondering if you can talk a bit more about what indigo project is. And how it got started. And sort of what stage it was in. When you first got involved with it actually Indika project is cried too earlier before I thought program with fatted program, professionally because she's put dotted let me check again in two thousand and two so back when I was fought I think at the time without doing basic and PHP hobby, but they tend to put dotted and European project what they caught up between on an Esa. We thought institute and some university of. And and now I'm gonna coach from the project quips, and if main affective for us to create a web based platform conference storage management system, which without stoic documents and NATO dot related to real events make sense to us an acronym for integrated conferencing and two years after that two thousand four in the co actually went life for production usage at on for a conference in high energy physics 'cause check which is computing in high energy physics so make fan Indika was focused on actual organizing conference of. But then over the next three years team added support from using electro type events and booking Chanel tear lay some relation tools integration video conference and fifth terms. And and project since we grow in mostly because of if if of us at itself, and then most interesting path. Two thousand fourteen actually came back to the project after break when development on two starters, which was basically and the end I ninety eight per cent. We riot off the coat bath into kind of os by fan. But more about that later, and yeah, two thousand seventeen fen find relief in the co two point zero based on modern technology. So yes, if actually pretty much history off in the car, I was going to ask you about how use managed to keep the code maintainable and up to date given the length of time that it's been around for. But if you did a major rewrite around the version, two timeframe, I can see how that would help with trying to modernize it and bring it up to date with current, paradigm and tooling. So I'm curious if in that process, you brought it up to place on three compatibility and some of the other major changes that were necessary in that process of upgrading for the two point. Oh release. So India to appoint welcome. So we like I said ninety eight or ninety nine of the coach we written both bake and then front faster fewer things remaining, which we hope to take the wooden so for fam- into point zero we computer switch databases because before it was you would think that would be you pious based object database, it's to craft using equals two thousand thirteen with which to form an homemade WF framework to flask with which template engines triumph thing it was two thousand eleven where we switched from something homemade tomato and send during if we ride from Alcoa Jinja pious and sweet on fought some not yet. But we want to do ideally fan with Indika Indika from three year because it's a great opportunity to a balance of nature rouse number again. Also, it's hard to refuse to taste rouse from three for hyacinths. We'll fund sec Susta few weeks ago. I actually tried. I mean in the on the pilots for free locally a-, not even using two two three r anything anything if you play as we are seeing failed, and at least getting our basic seeing running with your sweats for world. So I think we don't have any mate. So hell those going to pass we eventually. And so as you said Interco is a tool for being able to manage events and booking resources and being able to track various assets that are associated with those events. So I'm curious what are some of the other projects that are operating in a similar space, and what the current state of landscape was when into coz I being created that made it necessary to build it in house. I haven't inequality in crates admits that bit before my time they have nothing to do with conference management was fourteen Beckham. I think have no good talent have. I mean, I know that for example. Fall things at Helms. It was nothing tool. Call agenda which extra stuffing since nineteen ninety nine. But that's mostly for lectures and meetings with new PHP is kind of fancy stuff in indigo. But on Samaka anything KOMO available fan. I don't think so about I have to admit I never lost seeing that much fast. And so for somebody who's looking to manage an event, even just a small as a meeting, but potentially large conference, I'm wondering if you can just talk through the workflow of how they would go about setting it up and managing the event over its entire life cycle using indigo actually depends on Beverly alway around instance, where you have access or not because most common use case of Indian extra heavy essay repository of events. So it's not much focused organizing the single event. Life of our commercials tools. Raila? Nowadays. But you really Ron one thing conference with it by basically repository where you can have had thousands hundred thousands of events depending on how big y'all so if you already have Indika, install it's it's really a test. If you fix useful, you take a category of you create event and few basic information like title and the time and day and sets then you actually have events which you can configure fails on. And so you're saying that it's primarily used as an archive of what happened during the event and some of the presentation materials, but can also be used as sort of the organizational platform for people who are collaborating to try and get everything set up. For instance, something like pie Kahn or the high energy physics conference that you're mentioning yet unique Okada basic life cycle of the conference. So I mean, if you create event the conference you have somewhat base conference, which could actually style with custom fee of. Estimate look with if I if basically for scientific conference if you can set up life scientific program of the conference with different tracks, you call fat stocks, which for those who don't know what that is. Because during the organize conferences since basically when you are asking for ideas on talk, and maybe post all kinds of contributions, basically, then if you do this and people sat me said proposals, you can relieve you in process on it. I have separate review us and chat sits charts or the chargers life. If you can have cope of people actually connect with proposal actually won the conference, and which don't maybe changing type if you divide for thumb. Hey, if you found interesting, but maybe too much for presentation will trust do it as opposed to then when you have decided on which contribution sexy one you can you. Indicator organize time tape again, though of event we actually range within like when this happens. Maybe poopers fastens decide what's parallel, or if you have a plenary session. They graphic you're in India where you can see you. What's happening when interesting facts is off you places where this narrow mouth legacy of hopefully, we can riots at in we act at some point fan and important features for many conference stray Asian. So India co you can configure registration form with kosten fierce and everything hopefully at some point even with lie conditional field. They can select something I have select something depending on what you factor. But right now, it's really only asking for use of to enter data. But for most conference as enough at least in our case, you can connect this to payments system. For example, we have tagging for PayPal and somebody I've. Contributed apply into integrate with tripe and six pair. So if you install one plug ins, you can actually quick unit people pay by credit card or pay Powell foster event thin, what shakes you mentioned before uploading material such a science fit something you can do s ya a an off peak of forgiven contribution, and by default can't excess trap node materials for it can be any Sayel usefully. It's PDF's PowerPoint presentation again since we support blackened San body quit have applied instead automates dicamba PDF too PowerPoint said something we do for example on the customs Huggins for interacting with enough Elvis. We have he'll way up lowered. We're out or office. Fires and channel rule by default with congrats to PDF then after the conference in sales and he scientific conference if it some world common at people submit the paper and related to talk. Able feature you can actually not so viewing for the fifth one and it anytime conference life. I you could valve here. I've known him worth reviving Logan, and knowing rounds end is really basically on conference seats set people in high energy physics community 'cause you was enough to ask for and we concede that you put enough to implement them in particular. I really liked the fact that it that it offers a single repository for all of the different materials related to give and talk because there have been a number of times, I've gone to conferences, and there's just usually not any well-thought-out way of being able to collect all of the slides and other presentation materials for people to be able to refer to after the fact, and so usually it's maybe one person since it out on Twitter, one person has a link and their slides the after try and remember, you know, there might be an Email that goes out afterwards. If somebody might collect everything after the fact, but having it be part of the overall planning process in something that's easily centralized and easy for all the attendance to access definitely seems to make a lot of sense Indian that they want us to things you mentioned in the introduction video we have our website, which they leaving valley a high level overview about by in because you and I thank family. We have he was full if you into a meeting you figure out oh, my left back in the necessarily connect to actually connect with the project. So the wall. No use case if you said if you had a computer engineering and look into Nicole you can ask for anything any flights need from there without having to connect your laptop of cost reality. It'd be different because you might use something fancy, and I review chair for your presentation, and that was a conference on there on the next floor installed. And. You connect your laptop anyway, but Stu Babb nosing presentation or PDF off to individual like you said it's being archivist for even if you don't use India to present yourself, anybody can sit out this from in Orlando. And so can you talk through how indigo self is architect did and some of the ways that it has evolved since you first began working on it, actually, I noticed one interesting fact from previous run, I forgot to mention that actually ah one of conferences, I think was idea sixties I'm things off with Indika instance, at Sam with your tires in two thousand six which I think actually took place on Beckham. So because all kind of related to supply community many years ago. That's cool. So yeah. And so can you talk through about how independent self is architect? And some of the ways that the architecture and design of the project has evolved since he first began working on it. So let me let me start with architecture. We had in legacy in the Koran so back, then initially we actually using more tiresome for basically using that we've containing valley phantoms calling into different layer. And eventually when we add the W F Shire. They also using a homemade WF Shah because you didn't have anything life at this point. I think Notre chango exits back, then I don't think so to be all Nuff, maybe it was so because the obviously back fan, but but I don't think that was with has been a good choice in from rather are so based frameworks where cry heavyweight anywhere coming from Simitis light layer she's called in next player calls layoff, and before we craft handler fifth, basically implement. Enter to be from this logic from we had to Ramallah layoff fell some Wisconsin WPA fending for webpage, and if I remember correctly if basically convey, whatever database objects we had to a new structure via dictionary or some arguments to pass it on used for the playing and fan because original architecture. We didn't have any knife tempted engine in on even par to have any conditional and templates is within calling Saddam new classes, which stood for I guess for web. Which was basically fend. Converting whatever you data. You had to actually data pass through the template. And let's forget all the stone age style structure and go to what we have nowadays. So now, I mean terms of project structure, it's still a bit similar because when you were writing it, actually. During it, Pat by Pat, so we didn't do any Mesa change of in replacing everything we're simple you fans like usually do in flask. So coming from Lasca. We have lots of different blueprints if usual instead of forgive all the fountain since we were. Starring our is classes, which we had before effect now is much more lightweight in fans. Still do much awesome business lot sick. But from fabric directly, call Arifin repa- from the WPRO system, which only at for example, H L structure rounded, because it's been a bit too complex, actually replace everything was singer inhabitants doing say, we ride that's because it was tacitly this live, but he phones I it's class. If basically call into something roughly equivalent to laugh when template and sets it basically one of the two on the is level as well is handling our off and doing autumn. Ethic. The doing have Seattle for something else to do our class. Besides things like our handling, and some basic logging is handling database comments which was mostly because in surpass using say that would be we had to somehow sometimes we try request. Maybe I can talk about this. When we come to say interesting parts because the few particularity said were well knows what you're used to. If you do a fair around nowadays of had the dubious pleasure of dealing with the Zeo DB system. And some of the interesting ways that they have approached the entire idea of what a database is and could be silenced MAC you had about if not fun as as. Yeah. I'm actually still currently maintaining a project that relies on it. I mean, I'm headed to be half Caiphus, and I guess for prototyping initially, it was very convenient. But in the end when you grow when you have the I think that data file was around forty got by on this for Indika instance, of project that I mentioned right now where I think we're running about as sixty gigabyte zero db database, and it's it's fun when it gets corrupted after you have to try and figure out a way to repair it. I never had to do that. I think I was maybe I think from Iran, I was like one case where something database court corrupt by the don't remember how effective it was six because I think it was before I saw institution. But if I if I know even with the having fun times some corruption in all the having teen years now of the project, we didn't have anything actually loss unless you people accidentally deleting thing didn't intend to. But while fillet problem, so I wouldn't blame the product for best. And so can you talk about some of the more interesting or complex or challenging aspects of working on indigo? But from the point of view of the technical implementation as far as what was difficult to manage and also from the perspective of the business logic and the use case as far as just understanding what is necessary to be able to manage some of these large events with all of these different resource allocation problems and just trying to figure out how to represent that in code. Yes. Actually Intel off nontechnical fantasy because he was the biggest most in town non technical things. Most interesting thing is probably how people use system in unexpected ways. For example, let's say abstract reviewing we have very nice time lime which totally doesn't look similar to timelines guitar pullover craft and of cross and you have people who ask him. How can I print list of abstracts with us at the tales because yes, you have people who are used to take for this abstract printed getting meeting of different echo sitting together using not ten maybe some hey and doing reviewing offline even very pretty user interface. They can do to the viewing directed in the car. So of course, and we had to ensure that the PDF parts few had area. So it's look nice. It was nice to print. Coming tomorrow technical things, I would say most complex parts is actually protection because I'm even so in case a fan. We are very open actually any meetings and extra rest and details compete even to people outside som- dot of costs you half an hour. Also, mutants let's say HR or even apple Intel on the things, I mean, even team meetings. I mean, fair usually don't contain anything completely private. But I mean, it's amazing amongst team you you don't want those footy topic. So in new coq provides Nestor protection schema, basically, it's category can have is either happily protected or inheriting unless it's a category, which has nothing to inherit from across. So if you would say go into a category fuel a few deep, and you have inheriting parents you have to actually. Absa chain and he'll be fine the category. We you're not gonna have anything any more in excess checks fell seventy. Well, let's if you you are SF fifty levels of category nesting, which luckily, we don't but. Yeah, you have to climb fifty levels up. And we stand secret is for me that would usually mean fifty various for every time, you know, the Patriarca as this kind of excess needs to be checked. So for his. We actually had to do some knife to where we got lucky cried early in three right, protect we divide the only support post graphs and tell you one thing because few teeth vary amazing thing in post ref because seeing that way you can basically do all of climbing up in single career and end for fan, but it's on your side of the category ah off to not inheriting or you could. Elsa is missing. Yeah. I think that's the most interesting part, basically have a few more CDs exam to get next to then counts for categories, including subcategory of I would call it back. But I have to say I had lots of implementing other something else. We did if if you haven't events let's say public are protected is half pats insides different protection level. It's always fun trying to figure your way through a knotty problem like that where you have to pick apart all the different dependencies and figure out how to turn this complex piece of business logic into something that's tractable, and that you can actually implement in the code in manner. That's able to be reasoned about without turning it into essentially a mere image of the real world problem case head off interesting time of booking system doing to find you Laviolette because she's one Ryan's equal. But he can't. Head debut at fury Papa for different types of database. I today not have faction area, which was always calling. Layer again, but this is a factual area and say abilities to separate DP for even more complexity. So we've I think this one we also had to deal with again with all v extra structure and yet actually who booking say one thing we accept it again with rouse currently working on because at one hour, we act applicators inside indigo. And so for things like the room booking or ensuring that there's access to the necessary resources for given presentation and also in terms of ensuring that all the different participants are able to the free within a particular timeframe. I'm wondering how you approach the business logic of being able to manage all of those constraints and resolve them to a single timeframe where everything is available and everything is acceptable. Actually, currently if we don't because path to do his kind Hanson unite with old. Ving things if in fund and into timetable to actually saw power, fashions nice way. But I don't think that's exactly what you mean. I think what you meant this more something like like what you withdrew nowadays to find the time for your event. So currently in India when you create new you already have no retirement date, you can change later, but we don't have any way right now or to indicate to find the time where people available. Interesting fact, v might x-ray chains in the mecum because it sounded currently looking into options to find good alternative to even fly outlook on doodle. So they actually considering is to have to life and Snell light on steroids because it would be able to access for FAM calendar of people, and then you could do something value sector of people usually have maybe from an database or whatever other database you have then. Then maybe provide some possible dates which lot with available in and immediately fee. How good of our fall your participants? And then eventually when you decide on a day based on fat or go to sponsor some people like doodle fan, you could decide today actually creates then from it. But to be honest, not complete infect would actually become part of indigo maybe plaque in. Maybe stand alone educators in the using IndyCar Apia because in the end it sanctioned, it's great to organize event. But not only that you could use the same thing completely without in vehicle. You just want the house to do for example carrion enough. Our cares if you own booking systems because especially if you have meeting rooms you're gonna face and chances are good night behalf to find one particular slot interested in if if building with lots of people in only one meeting. Actually, building because of cough. People staying in Sao building for meeting maybe going down staff if he's our team really likes. So you might notice oh we had to do anything. Now, you see it from ten AM to eleven AM. So let's sign the room for it. Ideally, fifth run not available. But what we do the new Boeing extra Luke fault. Tive? Basically try to see if you can shift to meeting bit started. Earlier naked the Charta off on day meetings. Maybe skip a day and case, the author whom you're always interested in with I minor change of and another area of complexity that often comes a particularly when you're trying to deal with anything that has to do with time is the issue of time zone. Some wondering how you've approached that problem in indigo given that one of the core pieces of functionality is around the scheduling component. Yes. And pop that can be really fun from times. Time to deal worth. If actually if you include daylight saving time where luckily that getting rid of the European Union Boutwell still something you have to keep a nine because they will always be countries which with the anyway, so basically immigrants default timezone, which most cases they time zone of whoever's house thing. Category. You can time phone and on event as well. So when you're union event as a user for any of the public areas of event by fall time so off say then for everything just play, but you can change the to fantasy everything in your own time sewn fan with managing event, we always show it in time soon selected for event simply to avoid any confused if it will to the people are nice, and then some body with few different time that would be basically chaos three-day tricky part time phones is displaying information. Let's say you have conference set runs from nine AM awning, two eight inch evening fifth grade, you everything on one day fatty you have somebody who in time. So and sets let's say six hours later. So suddenly if passed. Successor timetable. And at least at some point during the meant what happened was our because suddenly you had things and use the fame day fat different. So three things fair. If to really make us at time shows always conducted properly. Kyw collation to either done in the time phone or Judy fear. But never in a mix of both for times on hand. Just one awesome things. I off le- let's say. Because I feel my snob but imagining time and so things I like. Lacking. The I think we got off most of issue relates to by. Now, I think if anybody says that they enjoy working with time zones than they should probably have their head check. Well, I think in showing to welcome time phones would be will felt a former here hero. And another area that's often challenging to work with is the given the level of flexibility and configure ability for indigo. It's often a problematic for users who are first getting started with it to be able to make sense of the system. And so it can often be something that will turn them away for him trying to work with it. So I'm curious how you approach managing sane defaults for the system to make it. So that users were first getting started have an easy on boarding experience. And then just dig into the more complex aspects of it as they need to. So if you stop ham nickel instant, we actually have a step by step head up guide for debut on wooden to head are both one inching Pacha. So you Hugh ethically fan body with almost no knowledge could follow his Baden have. Kua head up of his own Unico. Instance, of course, would have to take care about up there and usual things so often the I don't in fan buddy who know how to manage. We should be runnings salvo himself with indigo. But if you have for example, somebody doing here, you can have somebody goes through the install guide and set up in the instance, anyway, I guess you're mostly men crests Neubauer extra yourself using indigo. So if you free to skip fouth path is professor so as a new youth and India, I depends, of course, what you want to do by iniquitous offer functionality if actually for basic things are pretty much explaining and it's on feeds like abstracts paper actually disabled by default. Also, we have user guides which is nowadays link in food of each Indika pairs. And guy on the planes basic concepts, but also has about of training of your extending things more in this and guys extra host gets up. So if anybody's trying out IndyCar now and missing something we request welcome of cost. If you're use inequality big on face, and maybe you have somebody providing training for samba for redo its on if you times per year one or two of the exit door to half day training, sessions sewing, most important to us to people who is on ever used Indika are never used to organize conferences with. But of course, ideally, we want in the car to be so straight-forward so south match left needs for this kind of training. But of course, something like India of coffee have lots of different users. You have technical people back off nizing conferences. Of course of Dan by Secretaria. So of course, we have people who are not much used to using upset are not super a modern. I mean, pretty much everybody if using Facebook nowadays. So I really have you. I if you to use any of the epic rap apps nowadays. But I think it had to compare something truth our Facebook with I'm like Indika simply because we provide so much more functionality compared to something Rafic. So I guess it's always at fast some things people need to get used to. And as far as ensuring that you are shipping, usable code. There's always the issue around testing and given the level of complexity of Indika imagine that a fair amount of that requires so extensive integration tests wondering if you can just talk a bit about the overall approach that you're using to make sure that you are testing the at least critical pieces of into co and some of the challenges the faced on that front. All you all of that you been. And critical. We actually try it and one pie which was whom booking for two point zero to basically cover everything with attest ended our to be way to Matt's work for this benefit. So what we're doing our unit tests for critical pop area. You know, they're gonna have a strange edge cases fifth. We have cats youth imperative and for hours pretty much own urine test in surpass seven point used to have some tests as well because we also in surround really maintainable, and I don't think we have a really foul and fuse with those tests, but units have farrier where have acquired helpful. I think I really would have more tests. But if you probably know reality strike, and so many things that need to be done for and not really time to attest for everything. So yeah. Before because on critical pouts educa- for and yes, that's pretty much in terms of testing. At least technically kind of testing. I think I want Indica instance, basically biggest one hour, we're one big advantage. We have youth who are really good test drown off to fair. So if we deploy in Europe and nowadays, it was actually goes pretty well ex in the hour. Of course, I was not small to fix us after new release. But nowadays, of course, he was a fine. Som- beef us by you on a few minor things, but it's still amazing to have many USA. Because like this no matter how many unit tests have you are going to insomniac. Yeah. They're often quite good at that company. Like Facebook to say at new future. Maybe. Okay. If they usually do AB testing, which something we spot in fan. I companies say use us as stuff even more. Sometimes even with new which towns our to be awful some care of. I mean, we don't do that. Because we like our users. Sometimes usability tests famine the things, for example, for new whom working invited p people some cheaper. Awesome. Some how are you, sir? I'm secretary. So we actually let's do some steps with a new you IRA fen had look what they were doing where I'll say got stock. What say like what's this life? She's crap put your health for for doing for you developments. So like if we got feet big rally, which of course, efforts onto so as people send can't really complain if decides don't life, you I and send because they had substantial feedback. But of course, it's extremely valuable to get this kind of feet big earlier when if if say things and shortly after released because nothing more annoying that you really amazing Usam, and then you use your hair, but if we're up floor, we use also tie in bath. So how can we do this now? And then you end up having to implement things that we saw notice and. You mentioned earlier to that indigo has a plug in system. So I'm curious if you can talk about some examples of plug ins, you have written or they have used or some of the more interesting or unexpected ways that people have integrated with indigo. The system fed for five extension of called tagging engine unfortunate too bad document Haitian yet, but again contribute since American futures five hours and plug ins accent, cried if you're most of them extra developed by us interesting ones. Let's see. I mean, we have about plans useful general topic. I would say most useful one hour days would probably be we stores in towns of weedy. We ought to fame or any plug ins nothing, I can imagine area. I mean, if mostly plug into the actually useful for cases, light we have a plug in integrating with Paige Powell one to preview coat with highlighting or even our Brooks. And I would say towns of interesting clock actually, supply and said that you found specific use cases. So it's also on get him to provide examples of more complex plans for. Family. We have one Schalken said actually used to grand guests access to societal are ultra plug ins they use to ground with a excess to one plug in. We have X used to treat with apostles. So people can get on inside with our being employees. So for plugging, basically, we are looking into Vegas face in process of Emeco in minutes ability to select yes, I want to give people excess automatically calls API IRA affects control team generates secure code, and then people can print it and you assist to get on side. So and actually I mean that's their plaque. And yet, but we have one other pick Yusoff IndyCar and United Nations actually using s primary Raya also took Ron access to people to get on fired for conference organize and one pack. Can I really have tremendous them because fakes April? Fool. So with the if year if they asked in your system, we did our people to sour and since we're talking about testing before it was really great assign way to extra get some real users using new system with our any real value. And we had it running for one day around one thousand people who actually created Nick how new system and cry if you will begin our us and sophistication usually with the family message. But in the end is was provided test stuff. It was funny thing to do and it didn't even take much time because that's how taxable same fine in the car and are there, and you mentioned the one of the notable users of Indo as the United Nations I'm wondering if there are any other interesting or notable ways, the indigo has been used either for different organizations or for specific conferences or events that you're aware of one interesting event. I think some Lena I. I think it's called Plum bus conference or something like that. And I seeing Oaten Souissa Ross using some point for conference of organizing, and what's cried interesting. If at seen cried, if you're religious groups from Africa using indigo to organize Sam pasta congresses or something which figure I would have never affect us said actually have somebody using indigo to organize fifth ends, and that's a sign. Use KF was actually on on Indika instance, somebody was using initially I would have category here to invite people to weddings. People. Find interesting use case if I fought fanatically fifty end wasn't categories. Eventually got the it. When we started out a medically hearing up by was still nice to feel people end up doing within the it was reading through the documentation and looking at the feature set. It definitely seems like it's flexible enough to be able to use for all kinds of different use cases, even envisioning maybe using it for like family planning needs of figuring out. You know, if you have a one car household, and you have to two or three different kids, and they only to be at different events at different times trying to figure out how to book everything to make sure that you can get to the different places at the right time with the right people. Okay. Thinking three. It could actually integrate with the calendar which fancy we do with the cast in this way that film to anti attending to people's outlook calendar, so yeah, you could actually have a look at what events attending in Swindon car, and maybe overlaid with your calendar. Your calendar tool supporting and through life thing we might do at some point in future. Could also be something which you in some how combined with Japan colander to get an overview of both past and rock related events. I think fast, lots of potential scenario. It's definitely pretty interesting tool, and I know a couple of people who are involved in organizing, different conferences or events. So it's something that I've been planning on mentioning to them as a potential way to simplify some of the overall process of trying to get things lined up. And so what have been some of the most interesting or unexpected or challenging lessons that you. You've learned in the process of building and maintaining indigo. I think for main point your city league with legacy day. It's really really sucked especially v eight actually inconsistent which unfortunately with database life, either be very likely because if you don't know they'll be it's. I think I know true who started caught in life. But I remember seeing assembly a glorified tickle store. Because. Yes, in end, you have class which now is lifts, and so no chemo, and you thing so you might end up having old invinci- database using his structure fans, something new and instead of string fan you have dictionary or enough class. Even if you just want to go overseas data imparted to your posture database. It's not fan dealing with all sorts of especially for database big enough surrounding immigration, take if you hours and total, and, but if things so it one thing, it's really important to be make sure your day could. If for example, you really don't want events contribution federal starting after and actually ended because he mentioned to on timetable based on anti of them and said, you have your contribution outside. So as for this. We actually ended some constrains as we found and in in post-war escrow to actually this never happens, and what are some of the features or improvements or overall bug fixes that you have planned for this each of the project. Well, one thing, of course, is pious and support when actually it will probably be more switching to pass some sweeter since I think for ports sick like in the has no not much you in supporting both pies into fame time because we've industry would be nature we live. It would be a clean cut where we will tell people. Okay. Time to get you through ends time to upgrade your fifth us into today to positron time to make sure you have three point six because I don't think we'll support anything lower maybe three points. I f we have to fear when we actually fits what's and mainstream support by I can say, I we do onto strings in whatever pious since they're going to surprise fifth on those things every like entice and sweeter when you for my own things. So I think it would be a shame to support and all the highest sweepers. And because I'm pretty through whatever pious three rows we pick for in because we're gonna stay supporters for a very long time. So besides pious and support of allocating remaining bits of legacy codes. I am housing front and a few bits of coward center. Still legacy year. I think we even have some coach remain. In in camera. Okay. For something. I really run to change not enough to find the future fan fun and riots having more active stuff 'cause we started using react for things like home booking about a year ago and everyone in for team reading life is actually cried bad for any of out. If you have to go back maintain these checks every basing sometimes so if actually for management area, we really want to do more react, which also means that things are going to be more restful, which is great for creating API IRAs. And actually, I sing I go to mention here. If actually if you create and before we leave two point zero to improve Apia bid, also how authentication this done, for example. I really like how is hap- if doing it able to create a total of all using off depending on you. Use care of said something I really want to feel happy my son point. Notre when we have time for hopefully, we have some point. And if I had said read it depends on use KF. On. I if may in the data off India co. I mean, we, of course, have Tom contribute. Most of men happening at sound not have to say contributions, always that we Malcolm. And. Yeah, if any great idea for things to improve an Indio, let us know will for anybody who does want to get in touch with you either two suggestions or provide feedback or to follow along with the work that you're doing. I'll have you. Add your preferred contact information to the show notes and without L moves into the picks. And this week I'm going to choose the movie, mortal engines, that I watched recently, I was very interesting very visually appealing a lot of different actors than you used to and sort of the big blockbuster movies. So there's a lot of fun to watch definitely recommend that for anybody who's looking for something sort of fantastical and visually appealing. So that all has a to you Adrian Dabney picks this week. Chris I have to admit when it comes to movies. It's usually certificates Hupa hero movie since usually fan to rot recently. I had a chance to try out of your should we have set and friend of players, and I have to say, it's really fun. If have opportunity try our popular fun, but Parton VR I would say if even off on. All right. Well, thank you very much for taking the time today to join me and discuss the work that you've been doing with indigo. It's definitely very interesting platform and one that seems to have a lot of potential utility. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how you do with the three point zero release. And so that I want to thank you again. And I hope you enjoy the rest of your day. Yeah. Thanks interview, quite interesting to talk about in the car and one thing I have to say if anybody's interested few free to pass by our future new called IndyCar or free note, or develop are I think it's the best place to it's off.

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Ep. 1.5 The Glossary Words to Get You Through The Cannabis World

MJ Review Potcast

25:11 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 1.5 The Glossary Words to Get You Through The Cannabis World

"Hello and welcome to the podcast. It's m j reviews year over to my left. It's Margo bringing the Mary Mary, Jane. Hello. It's Margo and to my right. A guy when mind sharing joint with its Jake. Let's do it Chris and always here on the couch in the middle. It's me Chris. What's going on guys? Welcome. Hey, what are we talking about today guys? So we just came up with a list of glossary terms that we totally think that everyone should know if they're listening to our podcast getting technical just keep on up with us got to break it down. Just so everyone can be on the same page. Same leaf. So this article came from the the glossary of terms that is really great. And we thank leaf we put it out. But we made a few changes ourselves just to make it a little bit easier and more relevant to our listener shutout to lethally as always go and check them out. They're great place. We love you. Please reciprocate even shout out to them without permission. Using of course. Well, I mean because now we're deciding so we're we're citing source and can also we can share a link to their page as long as we give them credit than we're okay? Okay. Yeah. But yes, so we have a few of the words that we think that are beneficial to people that are listening to the podcast just so that they know what we're talking about. When we talk about these words, and the order that we're gonna be talking about them is the order that you're going to be approaching them when you're going in and using your card to purchase more or less. Yeah. Yeah. So why don't we start off Margot? Once I have my card where do I wanna go to actually purchase my medication? Well, that would be a dispensary street corner. Shady looking character feed. No, definitely not look, very professional. Good good go in there, and you have to have your card, obviously. And when you go in you have to show your idea long with your card because there's one thing people don't know is just in case if you're waiting on a car and don't have a card yet. You can go in for a tour just to see what it's like certain ones certain dispensary single one. Yeah. Definitely good to know. But you're dispensaries going to have your stock from all your cultivators, which are the we'd creators they bring it to the dispensaries. So that you can enjoy your weed. They have all kinds of products there. They have cannabis obviously the weed then they have your topical edibles, your pills, your suppositories, even all of. The bus but the dispensary is there to have safe access to your cannabis. I mean, we all know about the street vended cannabis or we that, you know, people are familiar with. But this is the professional type stuff, you know. What's in it? Yes. So cannabis that's another term that we're gonna be talking about a lot because this is our main brain of our high. It really is a lot of the podcast focuses around the pot. It's the pot. You guys. Pot. Wake up there is three different kinds of Platt genius from the cannabis plant. There's sativa cannabis sativa. I'm sorry. That's the professional way. Canvas. Tamara keep it medical cannabis Indica and cannabis Ruta rollies, but on an everyday average. You're only gonna talk about sativa Indica and CBD so cannabis is native to Asia. But as of right now, it's grown all over the world. Luckily for all of us to enjoy. Thank you. Thanks to me. Yes. Of course. And then a cannabis type that we just talked about was Indika so personal favorite. It is Indika defined on the street reset in the couch. Chris knows mad. Maybe that's why I'm always on the couch guys. So all mix more sense anyway break on break into down for us there Margo. Is the sedate of type of cannabis out there on the market. So if you need something to help go to sleep, this is definitely the cannabis that you want to go to it comes from the Middle East and Asia, it's famous for its Kush and Afghan lines, which I learned from this article, I did not know that and compared to its counterpart of sativa it is shorter in its structure. So when it grows it's gonna be maybe a foot and a half two feet tall and bushier short. But sweet exactly it's the war. I guess if you're put into fantasy house rude. I'm showing my are my absolute favorite being in the fantasy realms. That's fake. You. So I called me a nerd, sure. Heard. You heard, but it has a relaxing affect towards your regular and opposite of that is your sativa that will give you energy. That can also if you have a little bit too much TV there are instances where it can give you a little bit anxiety have been there. Don't like that. Don't enjoy that. Make sure you get your correct dosages guys. You gotta watch out for the sativa. They're much more likely to give you that kind of stereotypical paranoid. Frigging? Exactly. Nobody wants that. I mean, that's not the TV's. You know, doesn't have a place in the medical industry. I would help with a lot of things like ADHD, for instance. Yes, definitely. And Steve has originally came from the Middle East and Asia, and they moved across to South America, the Caribbean Africa in Thailand, and then made it towards us. They usually grow a lot taller than Indicas. They are about five feet around there. And they're lighter in color actually to feel like I've got to keep the analogy going. They're more like the elves of the marijuana. Tall skinny dude. Elves can be real short. That depends on what fantasy realm you're talking about. Where the rings the only one that really is still doesn't make sense to me, but it is the CD rich strain of all the cannabis types. So this has more medical benefits. Right. So that if you have anything that is rude rallies. It'll have higher CBD content and lower THC content. So that can come in either any sativa Indica. It is an out of flowering plants. So it doesn't need any male plant to flower. It does it on its own time. Just a little bit of time at bloom all on it. I mean, it's still got gotta water it and give it nutrients and stuff, but you're only do any other stuff so long as you meet the minimum requirements for keeping it alive. Yeah. And you won't find this one typically in a dispensary called route or Allah. They'll just label it as a high CBD really gonna find that. And don't worry if you're not quite sure what THC CD what we're talking about. We will explain that. Yes. And this actually originates from Russia. So the route Arale is known to come from the colder climates because it is a bushier it can survive in the cold, which is really neat to loan really hardy plant as far as I know. Yeah. Bears were known to smoke this before running into war came forty. Sevens. Is that a true fact? Yes. We we might make. We might have some corrections later, but the cool thing that I found out is that route Arale is given it's you know, it's usually high. Often be mixed say a hybrid Indika air may be hybrid. Why don't you break hybrids are awesome? So pretty much everything is a Hiber now. Right. It's everywhere. So hybrids, just basically an Indika and a sativa smushed into one new point. Why would why would you want to take a sativa Indica and put them into one plant well to get the best of both worlds. Of course, you can do that. Yeah. Did. So you you say if you are you have some chronic pain starring the day, but you don't wanna go to sleep. You can't just smoke an indicator, and you'll be all sleepy and dumb and drowsy and sounds like a problem. So you don't want that. But if you mix a little sativa in there. Okay. You got some more energetic benefits to that? Finding a straight ups Indica or sativa nowadays. It's possible. It's just very technically. If you look into the science of everything it's somewhat lost that a true in the true sativa one. You do get a Indika. It's more dominant of an Indika like much more. So than it would be a sativa. Same thing for Steve. Because everything is just so interbred these days rallies with Indika Indika with sativa ruder rallies and everything in between. Yeah. One thing's for sure they all have pretty flowers. That is true. And these flowers when you refer to a flower, that's just the standard way of getting your marijuana. That's just a bud the, but it's not necessarily a flower yet, it is still pretty they come in different colors. They have different hairs. These little orange hairs sometimes they're read sometimes they're white. It's all different. Kinds and the flower is the part that you break down the, bud. And you break down you rolled in joy, you put it in a bowl you put it in a Bong. And that's what you smoke. I think when most people think marijuana they think of the flower of the but xactly that that's that's the first thing. I think of so and on the flowers on these buds they have these little crystals. These there THC crystals of the good part them land like flavor crystals. Only actually these are high with Turpin and THC. So that's where all the good stuff is what can you do with these crystals? How so there you can smoke them, but you can extract them as well. Oh, and by extracting them, we form. It's beautiful. One of my personal favorites. You can't fall asleep. They're wonderful. Punch you to sleep. Well, puncher right to sleep. The got that one too knockout. Nice calm Sasha like way. Is a concentrate. So concentrate is essentially you are taking the THC from the marijuana pulling it out, and you're mixing it with a solvent in order to create the concentrate. So you don't have the flower taste to it. You don't have the the the organic life like the organic plant like feel to it. It actually has a much different. Look, it's you can find them in oils. So you can get them in like liquid oil. You can find them in a butter or a wax which is kind of like a mold -able goo that you can kind of like play Doh almost curry. And then there's more resonance bits that can be shatter or live resin, which is my personal favorite live sugars live resins and things like that. I'm gonna go ahead and say mine too. Yep. So shatter though is. Hard could break it you can break a piece off and drop it right in whereas resins are real sticky still, and they kind of crumble apart a crumbly type material and these concentrates are not only high in THC levels. But they're also high in Turpin and flavonoids, and we'll be talking a little bit more about what those are just later, or it's we've talked about flour we've talked how everything is a hybrid these days. But what are what are these funky names that I'm seeing what does that mean? What what is? Oh, you mean, strains, Chris? I think I mean strains Jake, this is my favorite part about marijuana. Actually. All right. So strains are the specific plant species. There are thousands of these well upon thousands thousands upon thousands. You get some real funky names. Oh, well, my personal favorite is Alaskan thunder. Fuck. That's a good one. But hey, if you have children around you can right. There's better string, you get a blackberry Kush, which is a little more friendly of a name. Name but not friendly to children. No. But then there's there there's some pretty funky names. And these names actually came from the hippy days when it was more underground. So they had to give these things different names. It's pretty dope. Yes. Pretty dope. Chris I like the good. Oh, yeah. But unfortunately, even though the industry is driving. These strains can easily be mistaken or purposely misidentified because you have certain strains like gorilla glue which grill can be an Cup. But it can also be sativa. They have different numbers for these. And that goes headband as well. There's a seven oh seven headband, which is a Indika straight Indika when there is also just headband, which is considered a sativa. So there you do need to be careful when going to your dispensary and choosing a strain. You should ask about the strain before you get it, even if you look it up online, it may be a little different than what you're reading. I think that is a really good point to make. And so now that I know that these funky names are specific strain of weed, what makes this strain specific. What makes it unique? That's my question, and I gonna. Enough Margot on this one Jake. Thank you. Yeah. The breakdown is basically your Canaveral aids. So those are the chemical compounds that make up the weed and there's over eighty five Kanada noise, but they currently only have eighty five listed, but there has way more in the weed itself more, you say, no when I go into into dispensary and talk to somebody they need to know eighty five different specific, absolutely. Oh, no, no. No, no. This is this is easier than school come on guys. Is easy as being high school though. I don't know. I I can't actually say how easy or hard that. I was young and dumb want. So once. Yeah. You mean not young anymore? All right, but we're getting kind of track breaking down Canaveral. So yeah. The most the two most common canal are are THC and Stevie d. Yeah. Yes. Referred to as thick and Kubat. I've never heard that would before I've never heard that either. So let's say listen to that. All right. Let's try to say let's try to say THC together in its scientific way on through one to the textual Hijo. Can I lost? It got that. You guys tetrahydrocannabinol is nailed like halfway through a tetrahydrocannabinol tetrahydrocannabinol say that five times fast. You don't have to refer today. Henry Winkler five times fast. Henry Winkler one in Oscar. I don't know who the funds. Henry Winkler Henry Winkler, Henry Winkler. It gets hard. I'll take your word for it are THC's kind of the cabinet that gets me high. What a CBD going to be doing me CD has the medicinal benefits. So that's the part that will get you your pain relief ill get you your anxiety relief. But CBD plays the best when it has a little bit of THC along with it. So good team players. Yes, they are very cooperative with one another. Luckily, and THC was first isolated in nineteen sixty four. So that was really cool to know. But treats, your inflammation, like I said doing Ziobro and your pain, and it doesn't give you that stone feeling. But again when you have a little bit of THC, it's going to help you so much more. And if you do have that stone feeling CBD can actually help alleviate that. That's a great point actually group for. Zayed's? Heard and experienced. So there are other can have annoyed in the weed plant like CG CB CB N and other ones, but we're going to bring that up in a future episode. So that we can dedicate all of our time just to those sorry cannabinoid. So we just dedicate all of our time to those Canaveral. It's so that we can understand them together a lot better. And hopefully, you know, maybe one or two of you will have listened in and have a question that you have sent us that we can address directly. It'd be nice. Yeah. Definitely happy to answer. Your question. Along with teach seen CBD you've mentioned others. But what about Jake mentioned flavonoids and Turpin we're gonna bring that up in the future episodes. Well because that plays a huge part. We don't want to overload people. Okay. That plays a huge part in in your purchase. Because even if it is Indika if it has the turbines of a citrusy, you know, sativa dominant kind of strain it may pronounce those, you know, affects out of out of the plant, but it's just a lot of trial and error. That's everyone's gonna tell you. It's a lot of trial and error because everybody is the front, and I'm not saying that funny there, I just don't want it to be everybody is different. We literally have different bodies from one another and they all play differently. But what together all bodies all living bodies, actually, except for insects haven't common Endo Canaveral. It. That those are receptors we have two different kinds there. CB one in CB to see one is in your head CB to is in your body. And the way that I look at it is you I have your head that CB one I park patting her rubbing her belly hopping foot at the same time. That you can multitask while. Hi, yes, I'd Elisi stone or here. Try my best. But these Endo can have annoyed. They are kind of like these Endo can have annoyed systems that we have in our bodies control all the rest of our systems in our bodies, like your immune system, your Cyril systems. Are- Breuil cerebral your immune system. Your cerebral systems your nervous systems and bridges are nervous systems are damn. All right. So you're Endo can have annoy systems control your immune system's nervous systems and your body organs. It is kind of like that bridge for your receptors, and your your in fact, it's literally a bridge. Between so many functions of the body from me receptors to your Canaveral it. So that they play well with each other. Can have an we asked. Two receptors all throughout your body throughout the Endo canal annoyed system within your body, and their you know, they kind of like a lock in a door. You know, what they fit right in there? And they open up, and they help communicate with your enter cabinet system. And that beautiful. I think we did really. Well, you guys I think we did two in oak down. I it's been really informative for me. And I think I hope for the listeners. Yes, there's anything that you guys think that we missed and you think that we should have brought up please still the next glossary episode. Tell us that we should be bringing this up in future episodes. So that you know, everyone understands what we're talking about. And our Email that you can reach us out as our Email that you can reach us out at is MJ review podcasts at g mail dot com. That's M J R E V I E W P O T C A S T at g mail dot car. Our Email that you can reach out to us at. The Email that you can reach us at you should say say it again, and that we could put that the Email that you can reach us out at is energy to us. The that you can reach out to us at the Email that you could reach out to us at. Scary Email the Email that you guys can reach us out at. Oh pass to stay. It's gonna be bonus content. Hooper? Email that you guys can reach us out at. 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The Great Canadian Ganja Experiment - The Science of Cannabis: Quirks & Quarks explores the questions researchers want to answer with the dawn of legal recreational use

Quirks and Quarks

54:24 min | 2 years ago

The Great Canadian Ganja Experiment - The Science of Cannabis: Quirks & Quarks explores the questions researchers want to answer with the dawn of legal recreational use

"This is a CBC podcast support for this podcast, and the following message come from IBM technology today has never been smarter, but smart only matters when you put it to good use together, we can build a smarter future for all of us. Let's put smart to work. Find out how at IBM dot com slash smart slash CA. Works. Come into the hub, odds that all kinds of pipe speakers grinders gape rises. We have a huge selection of eight browsers. All are rolling papers, all natural. So there's no chemicals in them and we, I'm Bob McDonnell. This is the hot box cafe, a cannabis lounge in Toronto's downtown Kensington market. If you're nineteen years old, you can come hang out and use marijuana at your leisure. BYOD's bring your own pot. No, I'll hall and no other drugs are allowed to be consumed on the properties, alcohol and cannabis don't really mix. We don't like cleaning up Euch sadly, so. Places like this are rare in Canada and until cannabis's legalized. They operate in a gray market through says, only vaping inside. There's lots of people that have smoking issues and candy around a lot of smoke. So we keep vape only. So why are we here? Because by legalizing cannabis for recreational use, our country is not just making history. We're embarking on a large scale, social, cultural, and yes, scientific experiment. So, well, some might be worried about this great Canadian Ganj experiment. People who use Canada's like these folks at the hot box cafe say it's about time a long time coming in's, long overdue, I'm excited for it. I'm very excited. I feel like we waited a really long time to different world about to pop toots very, very weird area. Very cool though. I think once we're the first domino the foes, I think the rest of the world will see how great it is. And. You know, can all just be one, big, happy family. Canadian scientists are also excited about our national cannabis experiment, not because their users. I mean, probably some of them are know what they're excited about is the fact that this experiment will allow them to ask a lot of interesting and important questions about cannabis. They haven't been able to ask before. So in this special episode of corks in quirks, we'll find out about these questions and what we know and don't know about how cannabis affects the mind and body. We'll explore the family of active ingredients in cannabis and how it affects users. We'll try to understand this ancient plant and meet a researcher who's trying to grow pot better. We'll visit a scientist conducting a unique experiment on high potency cannabis out of a van in Colorado, and we'll look at why cannabis can be addictive for some and who might be most at risk. We as a country are turning over a green. Cannabis leaf and Clarkson corks is here to explore the science behind it. You're going to hear from a lot of scientists on today's show, but since there's so much to know about what we don't know about cannabis, we decided to recruit some special help as well. Dr Mark wears one of Canada's leading voices on cannabis science doctor where it's a pleasure to have you on the show to help guide us through all the questions we're going to explore today. Thank you for having me. Now you've studied cannabis as a professor medicine at McGill University and you a vice chair of the federal task force, advising the government on cannabis legislation. And most recently you moved into industry as chief medical officer for a licensed cannabis producer, canape growth corporation. So I'm guessing, you know, as much as almost anyone about canvas. So my first question for you is this, why are there so many unanswered questions about cannabis? It may sound obvious, but if you're going to study the effects of cannabis on people, you have to give it to people. And this is very challenging when the drug is prohibited. It makes it very difficult for growers or produces to develop supply to test it. And then of course, we had to have special licenses from everybody involved in this study from the pharmacist to the nurses to the patients myself, my entire team had to have special licenses to be able to handle the product which takes time. In some cases, we have to import product from outside of Canada, which took some cases years to achieve. So in short, the whole process is very, very hard and paradigm of prohibition. We will now for the first time in recent memory and history, be able to ask questions about the effects of cannabis use on the health. And this means both for therapeutic purposes as well as the possible effects on people's health who use cannabis from whatever age, right through the lifespan. What would you say are the biggest gaps in our knowledge when it comes to how cannabis affects recreational users. Well, I think the first thing is knowing who are recreational cannabis uses for the most part. Imagine somebody phones you up at home and says, you know, I'm calling from stats can or from the government I'm doing a survey. Are you a cannabis user? The likelihood is under a paradigm of prohibition that we're not getting true pictures of who are using cannabis who is the typical cannabis user. We see people with problematic us coming into addictions and substance use programs. We see people come into the emergency room with with health effects, the may or may not be associated with cannabis. We're not seeing the large proportion of people who are using cannabis responsibly safely and as part of their normal lives. That's a piece of the equation. The denominator if you like, that's completely invisible to us now, and I hope that will help set that standard that baseline so that we can inform people better about safe and responsible use. What do we know then without a doubt about how cannabis affects typical user the the talented part of your question is the without a doubt. The problem is that there's uncertainty in much of what we know about the health effects of cannabis. And this is true for the side effects and the ill-effects that people are concerned about what is apparent is that the earlier that one uses cannabis as a human. The earlier, we also young at less than us, twelve thirteen, fourteen years of age. The more heavily used cannabis, the more potent or the higher the level of THC in the product. All of these are important risk factors in associating with the likelihood of adverse outcomes. It's clear that these affects a much more pronounced in young users who start heavily infrequently. And I think that's probably the biggest issue. I think the other thing with any certainty is the fact of smoking cannabis causes irritation to the lungs that can cause bronchitis and this sort of irritation of the Airways, another factor. But apart from that, almost every other aspect of that we can see or talk about has. Been challenged. So in many areas as a lot of uncertainty. So then how would you characterize the risk of taking cannabis compared to say, call. Well, you can look at this question from the point of general harm. So addiction being one possible harm. But of course, in alcohol has its risk of addiction, but it also has significant effects on cognition and function. So car accidents and road traffic accidents zone. When you collapse together, drug harms in general, and you compare the drug harms of cannabis as we know them to be given the limitations that we've discussed in terms of knowledge, given those limitations when we compare those homes to alcohol tobacco heroin, silence live in from mushrooms. LSD cocaine appears to be a much safer compound than many substances that we currently allow legally, certainly, tobacco and alcohol have much higher rates of harm in many different perspectives than cannabis does as far as we know at the moment. So in terms of relative harms, this is a relatively safe drug. What about things like a short term memory affects? Well, those are among some of them. Most robust effects in terms of what cannabis does in the short term. So cannabis obviously has we think of two different aspects of the effects of cannabis short term, long term, short term effects. Once you've actually administered, the substance tends to be associated with impairments in thinking cognition memory ways in which people are processing thought to some people. This has been discussions recently are beginning to elaborate that people find kind of helps them feel more creative. It loosens up their thinking processes. They have ideas and come up with ideas that are, are the wise not happening when they're in a normal state. So it's not always that those cognitive effects are seen as negative for some people, their creative, they're liberating, but in terms of short-term motor skills, delayed reaction times and so on. These are fairly robust findings, but they only lost during the period of acute impairment or acute essay, the intoxication, but the acute period follow. Candidacies. Well, let's head back to the hot box cafe to hear how people there described the acute effects with weeded changes high school, highest Gately, Laffy munchies. Then it gets the point where I hope this doesn't sound like drug addict might say, but I don't feel I get Heine more. I just feel normal though there is change, but it's more in my mood, calmer, happier, more relaxed, maybe more focused or you can get the super quiet like I do. It helps with digestion with headaches, migraines tension, things like that. He's over me. It's helpful for focus, but also I'm a writer and I do a bunch of other creative work. So it's really nice when I'm at like, you know, thought spiral sticking point on something. We'd to like get high per se. It's kinda just like an every day. Same way, people take their anti-depressant medication and whatnot will help me build up an appetite, get to bed what's going on inside the body and brain that gives rise to the kind of facts we just heard about. So in order to understand the facts of cannabis on the human body, it's important to recognize that kind of is not one thing. It's actually a complex family of compounds. The most well known are the Canabal noise THC and CBD tetrahydrocannabinol and Cabot dial. And I think as Canadians, we're going to have to start to get used to these two terms. We will be hearing and seeing a lot about this THC is the one responsible for the psychoactive effects of cannabis. It's a very, very fat soluble substance. And when it's inhaled into the body or ingested through the stomach, it absorbs at different speeds into the blood and is distributed very foster into fatty tissues. Like fat cells around the body, but also the brain which is very fatty substance and it they're binds to receptors, which are quite specific and unique for these compounds. Our brains actually make indulgence canals, and these are working all the time to control things like mood and memory and appetite. So this indulgence system gets targeted by Kavanagh's from the plot when you inhaler ingest them and they bind to these receptors, these receptors are found throughout the brain. Bob, it's an amazing system. It's it's one of the most highly expressed receptors that we have in our brains, and it plays a very important role in normal processing of a huge range of different physiological systems. So THC coming in from the outside binds to this. And then that gives rise to a huge range of different defects. As you mentioned, changes in appetite, changes in mood, changes in perception of pain in perception of other stimuli, an enormous range of effects, and it's very hard to predict what those will be in any one given individual. We all seem to. Respond somewhat differently to those of THC. Inside my head. I just got really calm. It was a little bit like loud before, but now it's even after one bullet kind kinda like a little bit calmer. I don't know how many of you might have actually been to cannabis dispensary, but they can be kind of interesting places jars or packages labeled with exotic names like purple Kush, Northern Lights, sour diesel or lemon Hayes line, the shelves and in every shop, someone is willing to advise you on the variety they say is best suited to the kind of high you might want and energizing buzz or coming mellow. They're like pot Semillas, picking out the perfect we'd for your particular needs. But what does science know about all these strains and hybrids that are being the product of generations of underground plant breeding for the answer, we went to British Columbia where Canada's top cannabis botanist plies his trade. We also visited a local Vancouver dispensary for their perspective on their wares. So my name is Jonathan page. I'm an adjunct professor in the botany department. That you see and the CEO and co founder of an Andy labs. So we're coming into our sample reception area and I guess it should be immediately obvious that we have cannabis sitting on the bench in front of us. So an India does the quality control testing that's required the licensed producers and patients who grow cannabis for themselves ship it to our loud here and we receive it in this room. So teach see is what's called in chemical terms Cavanaugh and there's about one hundred fifteen Cabanillas known from the cannabis plant in total. And those are, you know, structural variance of t.j see and things that are sort of chemically similar, but not exactly like h c blocked. Like when people smoke or vague or ingest it, they also receive cab noise other than THC CBD. Lots of Turpin interpreters are found throughout the plant kingdom. They're generally volatile. So you know, you'll smell them when you get close to the plant, or you need damage the plant. And so canvas makes a mixture of different Turpin 's that give it these distinct odor. So that kind of skunk he smell of of cannabis that you can smell. You know, if you walk into a dispensary or what have you that's due to the Turpin. It's not due to the cabinets were actually not smelling teach see where smelling the turbines. Oh, and welcome to the Muslim cannabis dispensary. So if you go into dispensary in Vancouver currently, often, the producer or the retailer will describe them as sativa Indica or hybrid. You know, we have a variety of different strains Indika if you wanna relax diva, you need something a little more uplifting. And this is a classification system that's present in the cannabis community. It's quite widely accepted that there's these different types of plants stereotype is that Indika plant wise, they're kind of short more dense, branching wider leaves. Indicas are going to be your more relaxing. You're more body feeling good for pain relief. Sometimes people use them for stress relief unwinding at the end of a long day. What have you sativa Zor separately thought of as as the taller, sort of more open branching lengthier plant with much narrower leaves or leaflets sativa Zor more uplifting. It's good for data. Use not as much of a body feeling generally more of a head high to it, and they're going to be a good mood booster people like them for dealing with depression or sort of that sort of type of thing. Yeah. So loud in collaboration with the friend and colleague did a study of this where we sampled different cannabis types for strange. We've got a lot of options. I mean, we just got a nice new, Stephen Engle Congolese really heady, really nice, bright taste to it. And when we dug into this concept of Indika sativa, we had actually recorded from the people that we obtain the samples from a measure of how much Indika or how much like the percentage ancestry as we called it for each of those ample. So you know, some plants would be said to be one hundred percent Indika and others would be fifty fifty Indica sativa and others would be eighty percents t. The question we asked was, was there a correlation between the reported ancestry? So what the grower or the seed company said about that. Plant and what the Gino type told us in terms of the relationships. And we found really a moderate correlation between the reported ancestry and the Gino type which meant to us that there was not a very good correlation that the the actual ability to discern if something would be in the curse achieva based on the label alone wasn't very high. And so I personally look at the Indika sativa designation with a grain of salt. And I, I don't think there's a lot of scientific evidence to back it up. So we're going to step into an India, spend cultivation lab, this purple Kush. So purple Kush is a is a strain or a cultivar of cannabis. That's widely grown as a medical cannabis strain used as recreational product as well as probably the best understood cannabis plan in the world in terms of its jeans and it's genetics. I guess what's also significant is that it's would be growers. And consumers would call an Indika style plant. So you can see fairly wide leaflets on this plant. I think there's a disconnect between what we what we see the physical appearance of the plant in that kind of stereotypical difference and the the subjective effects and the and the chemistry that produces those affects about another plan from our collection that has very narrow leaflets quite an open physical habitats. The branches are quite sort of widely spaced and that would be what, in general, the light, you know, haven't. I don't put a lot of credence in this Indika sativa separation. This would be typically called a sativa. Well, even though the science can easily distinguish between varieties like indicates Tiba the users at the hot box cafe in Toronto. Certainly think they can find the TV's get your high, go get. You don't one's going to be a little more energetic because I don't think you get a caffeine rush like some people try to Klay too, but you do get more into your head more awake, I guess, per se. Whereas if you smoke incorrect, get stoned more relaxed, more chill Indika because they tend to have a little bit more effect for the body also gets the TV people like exercise on it. If I smoke a good, Steve cleaned my entire house, which I never do. Like all my clothes are sorted by color offering me right now. I try to gear myself to sativa strains during the day because I need to function whether it'd be for activities or for work or whatever the case may be eight. And then at night last night, for instance, I was driving all day long and the time I got home, my back was really sore and I was uncomfortable. I just couldn't sit properly. I was very uncomfortable, so I smoked Indika and fifteen twenty minutes later. I was out like a light watching TV watching CBC news actually. Cannabis is a mixture of chemicals and those chemicals in combination produce the pharmacological outcome. The effects on on the person consuming it. When you go to, you know, hot box cafe, at least you know, there's, there's definitely differences. I'm in complete agreement that there's there's differences in in what happens when you consume different types of cannabis. And those differences are probably due to different levels of Turpin Cavanaugh cabinets. But when we look at the genetics and the ability to label a plan, his Indika, that's when I think we're in sort of shake your ground. Jonathan page is an adjunct professor in the botany department at UB, see, and the CEO and co, founder of an Andy labs, a company that does cannabis analysis and genetics research. Now, the advice you get an cannabis dispensary might not just be about the kinds of high you can get from different cannabis varieties. There might also be suggestions about which varieties might be better for pain relief, reducing anxiety or for sleeping problems. We've had years of people using legal medical marijuana for therapeutic purposes, and this is led many people to focus on what something is the ingredient in cannabis that has the most medicinal potential. It's called canal dial, often referred to CBD for short. There's been a lot of hype over CBD lately and we're starting to see it in medically focused products, not just something to smoker vape, but in oils or creams that are meant to be applied topically. So let's bring back Dr. Mark wear to help us get at just how much of this has good scientific backing doctor. What does the science about CBD. And how effective it is therapeutic drug. The signs of CBD is in its infancy right now. It's it's a substance. It's been around for a long time. The Brazilian research community were first looking at CBD for epilepsy in the nineteen eighties for anxiety disorders. It's been administered in humans in clinical trials for a number of years, but it's only recently that we've begun to explore it therapeutically, and this is most illustrated by the use of Cabot dial for childhood epilepsy. We've now reached a point where CBD is an approved medicine by the US food and Drug administration will be seeing these scheduled and it's now inavailable medicine. This increase in CBD in this interest in CBD has fueled an enormous interest because it is considered to be the non psychoactive Canabal. It's sort of cannabis without the high if you like. And so this is enormous appeal not only to patient. And people who are looking for a way to use cannabis or looking to treat different symptoms, but also to lawmakers who can pass laws that allow cannabis but only high CBD cannabis. This is given rise to a tremendous excitement. And as with many other drugs usual, it's received a lot of hype. People of been now discovering that potential CBD. The problem is that the science is a long way behind this. It's only recently that we're getting access to see in any pure pharmaceutical grade form for studies. And so the science is now trying to catch up, but it's fascinating to hear people tell us what they're experiencing when they UCB assuming they're getting access to regulated product that we know what's in it. It'll be very important to listen to these experiences and follow that up with confirmatory research. Cannabis is notoriously inconsistent as a plants. What's that meant for researchers like us, you try to study it. Well, we. Have to find people and cultivation systems and frameworks where we can actually standardize that production. This has been a challenge from botanical standpoint until relatively recently where we now know that there are systems and mechanisms to cultivate cannabis under tightly controlled circumstances where you can see a consistent yield of product overtime stabilizing the genetics stabilizing the cultivation conditions, and that means the product coming out is is a much closer range of consistency which we would need for for research and for medical purposes. Thanks Dr wear, don't go away. We have more questions for you later. All the legal product going on sale across Canada is coming from licensed producers regulated by Health Canada. These are companies that largely got their start under the legal regime set up for medical marijuana. Now, the ramping up for massive expansion as legalization makes their product more widely available, which introduces a new kind of scientific question. How do we grow cannabis? Of course, people have been growing cannabis for thousands of years and illegal growers have been famously maybe notoriously innovative to maximize production, but big growers are looking to science to move past that underground knowledge and get the best out of their plants. And this knowledge might also be useful to those interested in growing their own in the provinces where that will be legal. So we visited a licensed producer just outside of Hamilton Ontario to get a tour with a grower and meet the first North American. Scientists to scientifically study best practices for growing cannabis high, corks and quirks. Welcome to believe b. l. e. v. e. like leaves from the plants. My name is Tara. I'm a grower at belief canvas. So if you come on in here, you can smell the aromas from the doorway someone who's during Kaplan. I recently finished my PHD studying cannabis culture. The degrees fairly unique because cannabis has been illegal for so many years believe I'm the first in North America have these credentials. So in this room right now, we have three strains growing. We've got coal creek San Fernando Valley and Schick berry in terms of canvas science and literature and scientific journals. Right now, it's sparse. There's lots of things that have been tried that seem to work practice that growers will use right now. But we found that even the ones that are tried and true underground, we've tested them and some of them don't work out the way they're supposed to so important to build a body of scientific information. That growers can base their, they're growing on their production choices. One of the things I found really interesting about the industry is that there's a lot of practices that have been around for many, many years, but there are definitely new techniques that are coming in to replace them and to improve on those techniques. So cannabis growth in nature and under controlled environment is split into two gross stages, the vegetative stage in the flowering stage, and it's controlled by the photo period or the number of daylight hours the plan receives. So if the plan has more than twelve hours of daylight proximity, then it'll remain in the vegetative state and they'll grow leafy growth and will grow quickly. And when that lading period is adjusted to twelve or fewer hours than the plant starts to flower. And then once started to flower, it will begin producing flowers, which is generally the product sold and it'll semester die after seven to twelve weeks. So in front of every room that we enter, we have sticky mats that will actually collect any debris that you pick up in the room and prevent it from being tracked through the facility or out of the facility or into facility. So we started with some of the most basic horticultural production practices and fertilizers, one of them. Interestingly, in the flowering stage, we found that more fertilizer would dilute some of the important cannabinoid THC and CB for example. So the first thing to keep in mind when it comes to fertilizing your cannabis plants is that applying too much for the laser can decrease the quality of your flower. So that's only in the flowering stage in the vegetative stage, the fertilizer rate as less correlated with the cannabinoid of the final product. That you can't smell because this is our drying room and we harvested four days ago. Oh, this is our alter sour crops. So is lemony a little bit of like custard smell personally? I love it. This is my favorite strain. This is my favorite smell. I walk into this room and it's like heaven. So the growing medium is one of the most essential aspects in control environment, plan production, and a greenhouse indoors. It provides support for the plant. It holds moisture and water for the plant. It allows nutrients standard through the roots and it also allows gas exchange. So we found that during the vegetative stage, the physical properties or the water holding capacity of the substrate wasn't as important as during the flowering stage. During the flowering stage, we found that drier substrate or one that holds less water after irrigated perform substantially better in terms of the yield of the plants. And in terms of. Of the quality of the plants, higher cannabinoid concentrations THC also CB g and overall it was it produce a higher quality product. So this is our nursery here. This is where we keep our moms and where we start our clones for next runs. We wanted to look at the effects of drought stress on cannabis because drought stress is commonly associated with high quality herbs and spices. A good example is in herbs and spices that come from the Mediterranean regions or other semi arid regions where there's lots of solar radiation, lots of sunlight and intermittent drought. How can we use conditions that you'd find the Mediterranean to increase the quality of cannabis in terms of cannabinoid in the essential oils? So if you drove stress during the flowering stage around week, seven. So seven weeks after you've switched the light cycle to twelve hours, we found that the yield will be similar to a plant that has not been drought stressed, and we found a increase in cannabinoid concentration, especially cannabinoid yield. So the amount of cannabinoid per plant in terms of THC even CBD in this case and some others. And what's important to note here is that the amount of drought stress very important. So you can't just allow your plans to dry completely. They have to dry to a defined point and what how we characterize that was. Using wilting. So we marked a certain leaf. And when that leaf wilted two fifty percent more than its original angle. That's how we characterize the trust stress. Come on into the vault. So right now our volt is stocked as you can see pretty much to the ceiling. So in here we have dried flower. We have prepackaged one gram in three and a half grand packages and one grand prix rolled joints. So we are loaded right now loaded and ready for shipment. We wanted to look at the use of vegetative stem cuttings because the moment we find that it's the most common method that growers are using to propagate their plants propagate. That's how they're reproducing their canvas plans. So some scientifically validated tips I can give you for taking vegetative stem cuttings are to not cut the tips of the leaves off your cuttings we found that having three leaves compared to two leaves had the same rates of rooting success but had higher quality route. So more routes and healthier roots. And also we found that using synthetic rooting hormone produce higher levels of reading success. Andrew quality come on in here right now. This is our packaging line. Really. This is see radio. They are interviewing us to see what the excitement is about legalizing. They we go. The most exciting thing for me of legalization is the acceptance, the public acceptance of this crop. It's across like any other, and it has value and legalization means that a lot more science, it's gonna get done, and we're going be to improve this crop in terms of safety and quality and yield. And if you look at what tomatoes were like when academic research began with tomatoes, it was sad compared to what we're growing now. So I see great things for cannabis in the future. We put together an article and web video with Dr. Darren Kaplan's cannabis cultivation tips on our website. You can find them at CBC dot CA, slash quirks. As of October seventeenth in Canada, you'll only be able to legally by ordinary cannabis plant material, the dried flowers, or bud and oils. But there are other kinds of products that have made their way onto the underground market. You might have heard things called dabs with names like shatter or wax. These are concentrates products in which particular cabin always usually THC are chemically extracted and concentrated to levels approaching ninety percent that's far higher than his found in natural plant material, and they might well join more conventional cannabis products on the legal market next year. If so, you might be able to legally experience what users at the hot box cafe report about the novel experience of high potency cannabis. Why like dads is it's quick. I can do one big Davin then go do work for a couple of hours and not a thing I have to worry about, or I want to worry about you. Get a really incredible fact. It's sort of like all of the like keywords. You would read on descriptions of strain, euphoria, relaxation, hunger, whatever it is you get all of that in one, huge rush, and then it sort of subsides and settles into what the high would be if you had consumed it more slowly by smoking flowers. Yeah, it's it's nice if you know that sort of. So Dr wear. What are your concerns around the use of these high potency products? Will impart the concerns simply that we don't have access to them to be able to identify what the effects are. We can only assume that when they're that concentrated, you are taking a very large quantity of the drug THC in particular in a very short space of time. Does that change the effect? Does that change the risk profile? We don't really know think shooting alcohol in a shot. Versace drinking a cold beer slowly over the course of an hour, different fact, different potential impacts. We need to understand these better. Thank you. Dr. Wear Canada is of course not the first jurisdiction to legalize cannabis. The state of Colorado famously was a pioneer which creates a strange legal tension because in the US cannabis is still an illegal drug under federal law. This makes life complicated for American researchers studying cannabis. They have to do a delicate. Dance around federal regulations. So one research group in Colorado is taking a unique approach to learn more about how these highly concentrated products affect users. They've converted a van into a lab to take their cannabis research on the road. My name is Dr cinnamon Bidwell, I'm assistant professor at the institute of cognitive science at the university of Colorado boulder. We are in a pretty unique situation in Colorado in that we have legal recreational and medicinal cannabis in our state. So as an adult in my state, I could legally purchase a range of wide range of cannabis products. Potencies all the way up to at times ninety or ninety five percent THC. But as a researcher in my state, I have to comply with federal law in terms of the cannabis that I could bring into my lab to test in terms of the effects on people or analyze in terms of the plant content in order to actually research the product. That people use in everyday life. We can't bring the product into the lab. We have to take the lab to the people. We should freelance radio producer, Dan voice to visit Dr Bidwell and check out this experiment for us. Okay. Aminu welcome out to the van. They should be ready. It's a white van does have the university of Colorado logo on it. Again, hey. Nice to see you guys while that is a trippy tapestry. So that mobile app is really critical for that acute time point. What happens immediately after somebody uses. And so the steps were taking to collect the data. Even though unusual we think will provide some really helpful and critical information for public health. So one of the things we're testing whether or not people change their patterns of you. So when they're using higher potency products, do they temper or modulate their use and ultimately result in the same level of impairment as as these lower potency products, do these high potency products represent a unique level of intoxication where people are are much more impaired or much more intoxicated. Another piece that happens is a question of how the brain body adapts over time to higher potency products. And so if people are continually exposed to much higher forms of teach see to the end up just needing more teach in order to experience any intoxication or potential medical benefit that they're using for. So what have you do is I want you to blow into this white plastic mouthpiece until you hear a click, it may feel like you're running out of breath and there are couple vents on the back. So just try not to block those with your hand. So we start every mobile app session with a Breathalyzer and that's to ensure that there's no alcohol that may compromise our motor control or cutting measures. Will move onto the blood draw. And so we draw blood and we're able to get a very acute measure of their cabinet exposure. Hand there how much THC is in their blood. So we kinda get a peek measure as well as a later measure of that in terms of their full, teach the exposure. Then we also have a balanced task that we do with participants, so stand up. So we have things like border control battery where people perform reaction time tasks, they perform balanced tasks. They perform motor coordination tasks. You're gonna stare at that piece of tape with your eyes open for three seconds. When she feel tap from me, you'll close your eyes and do that for thirty seconds and then you'll feel another tap for me. We'll do that whole thing. Total of twice. We'll take a break in between. And so we look at both immediately after us as well as a reevaluation about an hour later to see if any impairments are recovered over time. All right. So we could go ahead and start again in three, two one with your eyes open. Gonna have to tape. Again, we also have a set of cognitive tests that assess working memory. Things like sustained attention, how long can focus on a particular task, particularly with distraction and different forms of recall or memory that may be impaired under the influence of cannabis. So the next thing we'll do will play a couple of games on the ipad, these sort of university sanctioned games. So they're actually from the National Institute of health. So they're standard across different studies that wanna use it. All right. So in this task, you're gonna see a row of arrows that are going to be pointing different ways. So you should always choose the button that matches the direction of the middle ERO. So just go as fast as you can. Are are still very preliminary, but we are noticing that people using a brain of potencies for concentrate. So maybe all the way from seventy to ninety percent that within that range, people seem to modulate up to a very similar level. So their blood intoxication levels are higher than they would be with flower, but they don't differ across the sort of range opponents. So it does seem like once you get very high potency products, people are using sort of the right amount for them to get to a certain intoxication level that it doesn't matter whether it seventy percent or ninety percent for our data in terms of how impaired they are toxic ated they are. They are. We're also seeing a sort of a tolerance affect that in these users of Hypo concentrates impairments, at least acutely does not look a lot different than people who are using sort of typical potency flour products. However, their blood exposure is much higher. So we're getting blood levels that are higher than I've really seen in the literature in terms of their teach the intoxication level. And so that raises a concern as to what their exposure is like over time in terms of teach see how their brain and body are adapting to this very cute burst and this very high level of teach the exposure and what might happen if they try to cut back some of our data suggest possibly higher dependence or problem us in these concentrate users. And so it suggests that a very close look at more abuse liability or clinical dependence is warranted for users of. These types of products. One of the things we absolutely need to think about as we embark on the great Canadian Ganji experiment is that we're legalizing psycho out to drug. And while we're long past the days when we feared Reefer madness, that doesn't mean pot is completely innocent as with any drug, it'll have risks and costs compared to our other favorite recreational drug alcohol. So we need to understand the risks of cannabis use and the first risk that comes to many people's minds is the risk of addiction. So let's go back to our in-studio cannabis science expert. Dr Mark wear now, Dr where you talked earlier about the things we know and don't know about the effects of cannabis on the neurobiology of the brain. So what do we know about this question of cannabis and addiction for recreational users? I think given the opportunity of legalizing and regulating cannabis coming up, we will have a better idea. Of this question and it's an important one. How likely is it that somebody using cannabis will have a problem with its use the currently bandied about statistics suggest that of regular cannabis use about ten percent meet criteria of cannabis used dependence, which means that they spend a lot of time thinking about it. They spend a lot of their time trying to get it and it may affect adversely their social and work functions and so on. Thanks Dr where now to get a better picture of this, we'd like to introduce you to someone struggling with this problem. We withheld his name to protect his privacy. I'm a bother thirty eight years old living in Victoria BC. I'm hard-working government employees. I own a home here and I'm struggling with marijuana dependency. I've been a daily smoker for probably twenty years recently kicked the habit and just kinda struggling with leafless nights and changes in my emotions that are kind of shocking sometimes confusing. You know what? If you have a bad day or you're stressed out by your relationships or any number of things in your life, it's really easy to use pot to just kinda forget all that. I've always had a busy mind. I remember finding it hard to wind down in the evenings. And soon as I smoked joint, you know, everything was fine. Food tasted better. Movies were funnier. I have a hard time communicating with people. I wanna look people in the eyes didn't really have the right thing to say. And instead of using the marijuana to combat that, in fact, it had turned on me and started causing those affected in me. So I kinda relapse back in January and six months past and you're, we are in. But this time I think I'm energized by my son six years old now, and it's become more difficult to hide something like that. And I, I don't wanna hide anything from from him. I wanted to demonstrate my best characteristic. Most pot smokers will tell you that marijuana is not addictive. And while that may be true for many, it's not true for all. We're just beginning to understand how a dictate is compared to other drugs and who might be most vulnerable. So to get a better idea of how a dicta- cannabis can be, we're going to a scientist who studied it so often here that marijuana considered to be not addictive. And I think that the best way to think about it as that it might be less addictive than other drugs of abuse, but because of the widespread use is out there with marijuana. It's increasing the use of people that are seeking treatment for it. When is Dr Jeff Edwards. I am located at Brigham Young University which is in Utah. The US and the department of physiology and developmental biology, and I'm associate director or neuro science center. In the reward part of the brain throughout the brain, we have synapses that are connections between cells and one solo release, a chemical known as a neuro transmitter, the binds a receptor on the other cell to activate it, and that's how cells communicate with each other by releasing these chemical signals and receptor binding to it. And in reward. The primary neurotransmitter involves dopamine. So once you've had marijuana might crave it again. Now when you have have taken a marijuana, the point we actually get something like cannabis use disorder. Then what happens is there's probably enough changes in the reward part of the brain that now dopamine levels or artificially lower. And so when people really have more of this beyond just a craving, but more of what we might associate with addiction is really because their withdrawal state. So they're artificially too low on dopamine, and now they need to take marijuana just to get back to what we would consider a normal level of dopamine. Just feel okay and normal. So craving would be, I wanna have this because I know enjoyed it. Withdrawal would be that I actually am lower. I don't feel good until I take marijuana. If we injected a road in a single time with with teach, see, we didn't cause changes that were more permanent to the synapse on their award, son of the brain. But if we did chronic injections where we injected for seven to ten days, consecutively, and then we looked and and recorded activity. We found that the snaps out chains because they couldn't do this normal modification of synapses that they could before. And so the mechanism vaction for altar of abuses slightly different. But the end goal is they all increase dopamine release. Teaching alcohol or probably fairly comparible and the amount of dopamine the famed deuce not quite as much as cocaine, methamphetamine, so that's why the we're often thinking of them as being less addictive. So the potential to become addicted to marijuana is gonna vary. And I think this is a a really fruitful area of research where there's people now that are looking at the genetics of individuals to see as their propensity for somebody become addicted to marijuana or other types of drugs, alcohol, even. And so people right now have found that there are certain genetic combinations tend to increase your propensity. So we did our studies on adolescent age rodents. The reason that's important is because if you look at the negative impact of marijuana, it's almost always associated with adults. And so the CB one receptor Tepes he binds developmentally regulated receptor, so it's changing as the brain is developing. And so while both at lessons and adults can develop cannabis use disorder, the adults tend to not have more these negative long term outcomes that adolescence do. And without leci- it's it's a little scary because they have an increased chance of abusing other drugs. They can decrease their cue with a chronic marijuana use by an average of about six points, there's increasing Zeiting, depression, memory loss, and other neural cognitive damage that can occur at lessons. We don't tend to see the same types of detriment in adults as we do that lessons. And so it seems like if you're on a drug of abuse like marijuana and it targets receptor, that's that's changed developmentally that there's a point where once things have been more hardwired or permanently set up, you can't go back in reverse that. So while marijuana really does have some health benefits, the biggest worry about that I have about legalisation of marijuana for widespread uses that it's going to get into the hands of Vata leci- and even if we try to make it so that it's just a dull regulated, eventually make its way into adults hands and they're the ones who will suffer the consequence. Dr. Jeff Edwards is a neuroscientist at Brigham Young University in Utah. Now, Dr where we've spent a lot of time talking about the questions that need to be answered. Cannabis is going to be a big industry and now you've moved from academia and industry yourself. So what's this mean for you? It certainly means that there's opportunity for investment in research which has not been present up until now. It's been very challenging to secure funding for clinical trials. It's really remarkable to to shift over into an industry where now there is funding available for studies on a global level. Now, there is, I'm not convincing my colleagues that we have to do these research projects. They get it and they know it and I'm talking and working with people who are also in Tuesday about these new opportunities and would like to expand the research endeavor into other areas. So in some ways, it's extremely validating. In other ways, there are new opportunities. I'm conscious of the potential clash. Between academic public medicine and the industry on hopeful that there are new ethical ways to do this. We can learn from from alcohol from big pharma from the tobacco industry, and cannabis will become its own unique industry which will learn from the mistakes of the past. Doctor wear. Thank you very much for taking us through this. You're very welcome. Thanks for the interest ball that was Dr Mark wear. He's an associate professor in the department of family medicine and NS theology at McGill University where he is currently on leave. He's now the chief medical officer for canopy growth corporation. So we hope we've been able to answer some of your scientific questions on the show today. Even if the answer to a lot of them is, well, we still don't know white co- blackheart will be trying to answer a few more of them this week. They've got a whole show of listener cannabis questions coming up and Dr. Brian Goldman is here to tell us more. Hi, Brian, AIBA. So what kind of questions are you tackling on your show today? Some incredibly practical questions like I'm dry. Next to somebody who's under the influence how dangerous it or I used it myself and I want to know how long it's gonna take to get out of my system before I, it safe for me to drive. We had parents asking about their kids, their teenage kids using marijuana. What are the chances that they end up in the emergency department with psychotic break and the difference between edibles and end inhaling, marijuana doesn't work the same way. How long does it take to work? Just one more thing. I'm curious for you as a physician, what do you think about the amount of stuff that we still don't know about cannabis? It's it's really quite telling, you know, I've been following the research on marijuana from the Gill university and McMaster University, and they're still asking some of the most basic questions. It's like it reminds me of aspirin if aspirin were put forward by health candidate to be approved today, probably wouldn't because it's such a complex medication well-turned that the cannabis is as well with all the receptors that I'm sure you. You talked about. And there's lots of things we don't know about long-term effects and effects on the developing brain. 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BTS #24 Angus of The Real Seed Co. on The New Taxonomy for Landrace Cultivars (EDITED)

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BTS #24 Angus of The Real Seed Co. on The New Taxonomy for Landrace Cultivars (EDITED)

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Only podcast you can do that. At Patriotair Dot com slash about cannabis. Everybody's Jason Curious about canvas podcast. Just want to give you a brief introduction to this episode because I think it will provide a little more context going into it. That hopefully will help you. One understand the content of the episode. A little better. And hopefully we'll help you appreciate some of that content a little more as well. So in this episode I'm speaking with Angus of the real seed company again for the second time on the podcast. And if you haven't heard our first episode. We first spoken episode. Three of the podcast and we spoke all about cannabis taxonomy in the twin biodiversity of cannabis varieties and the illusion of genetic diversity among modern cannabis hybrids and fast forward a little bit of time. A paper came out in this year. Twenty twenty that directly addressed these issues and that paper is called a classification of endangered high. Thc Cannabis domesticates and their wild relatives by John mcparland and Ernest Small. So we both read this paper. Were emailing each other. Had all sorts of ideas. We're really excited. And we decided to get together for a podcast up so to talk through our thoughts about the the paper after two the episode after we recorded it we both realized that one we failed to even mention the title of the paper we were talking about were and then We also didn't really summarize a lot of key points of the paper until about halfway through our conversation and so we a little worried that anyone listening. That's coming in from With no context that they might get a little lost so just a minute or two here. I'm going to very very quickly. Summarize what this paper presents and then I'll leave you to the episode to listen to US talk about it so in this paper which I'll repeat the title again it's a classification of endangered high. Thc Cannabis domestic. It's and their wild relatives within this paper. Mcpartlin and small present. A TEX nominal model for cannabis away of categorizing cannabis that consists of one species cannabis sativa two subspecies sativa and Indica Cannabis Sativa subspecies Sativa Cannabis Sativa subspecies Indika and within the subspecies. Indika all of the high. Thc varieties of cannabis fit within their among several varieties. The subspecies indika contains four primary varieties. That have been identified so far and within our extended conversation. You'll hear that we have some ideas. How there could possibly be more varieties? But these four varieties of cannabis sativa subspecies indica are as follows variety. Indika which would be most similar to what we colloquially refer to as Sativa is be true South Asian domesticates that have narrow leaflets with a leaflet linked to with ratio of greater than six which means that the link is at least six times that of the with and then we have variety. Himalayan this which would be kind of the wild type version of these indicators. Then we have righty AFGHANICA which would be Kinda true Central Asian domesticates and what we locally would of refer to as indicates and these would be plants that have leaflet linked to with ratios of less than six so these leaflets are wider and broader. And then we have variety aspirin which is kind of the wild type version of these afghanica plants and basically this paper proves presents a botanical key for identifying these plants in the hope that by being able to organize these plants in identify them we might be able to preserve the genetics and ultimately preserve some of. This joined. Alling biodiversity and really. This paper is a call to action for people to really start wrapping their heads around how to talk. Categorize these plants so that we can get to the project of saving this biodiversity so in a nutshell. That's what's going on with this paper We're not gonNA talk much about Cannabis Sativa subspecies Sativa But if you really want to know the drill down on that it's basically Two varieties of subspecies sativa their sativa and spontaneity. Espontaneo would be what most people would refer to as Rudra. I'm not going to get into the details of that read. The paper read the supplementary material that goes along with mcparland smalls paper in. It'll expand more on that but our focus is really on subspecies Indika and these high. Thc landrace cannabis varieties. So that's that's pretty much it. And as far as how this relates to the cannabis you're going to get into dispensary as Angus will say in the episode It means very little. All of the cannabis that's in the medical markets and adult use. Markets are all extreme hybrids. And this whole idea of differentiating indica. Sativa and everything. It doesn't even make sense in that context So that's a summary of the context for this once again. The paper that we're talking about is a classification of endangered high. Thc Cannabis domestic gets in their wild relatives by John mcparland and earn a small. I recommend you look back paper up and read it before listening to this episode if possible and also go back and listen to episode three of the curious about canvas podcast. Rican here the first conversation that Angus and I had about landrace cannabis varieties And biodiversity and all that and with that I will lead to the episode so thanks so much for tuning in and as always stay curious. You're listening to Jason. A curious about canvas podcast. Thanks so much for tuning in once again at today. I'm really really stoked. I am joined with one of my early guests and friends that was able to talk to you. At the earned the early days of the podcast angus from the real seat company. Thanks so much for being willing to come back on. We've got some exciting stuff to talk about It's great to be. Yes exciting paper this so yeah looking forward to yes so what? We're going to be talking about today. Relates to our first conversation that we had Which is all about Why first conversation went in a lot of directions but Talking about cannabis taxonomy. So there's a paper that came out just this year By John mcpartlin and earn a small. Both of whom we talked about in our first conversation and specifically this relates to Landrace varieties of cannabis and Talks about the importance of preserving those genetic so This is really come around full circle. And I'll go ahead and prepare people say that between the actual paper and the supplemental material. There's about one hundred fifty pages worth of material the centrally a book but Angus. What before we get into the nitty gritty details of what was present here and My thoughts in your thoughts and kind of how it meshes with your experience in the field. what were your initial impressions upon reading this paper? Safari taxonomy goes. My instincts is always being to defer to the experts as far as I can see on a small Israeli the taxonomic to defer to. He's some specializes in an all kinds of different places. But he's been publishing about it since the early seventies legislation is based on his work So I was fascinated to see that he has come round to the view that the two main domestic domestic the to the tweet. Sort of Genesis who've sub-species Indika now do merit formal recognition this As varieties in a stricter botanical sense. And you know they. They've done between mcparland more done the work to justify that clearly. They've been looking at Harry collections. All around the world it seems and I think they say about one thousand one hundred different accessions. They've they've looked at and yet clearly satisfied that this is justified. And this is more than just sort of pedantic exercises actually quite important to get people to stop taking conservation of these plant seriously if you look on the genesys database. I think there are about one thousand four hundred accessions of that kind of a sativa. The species in NJ banks around the world but out of those as I forget the exact number but it's a piddling amount this full role. Something accessions of sub-species indicator. I mean it's ridiculous five. I'm sorry five right. Yeah so this is a serious situation. I mean this is an incredibly important plants. And it's it's it's a. I think they actually understate how critically endangered it has mostly what they talk about sort of anecdotal examples of people. Introducing Hyper Non Chino hybrid most of the examples. They gave a from the seventies and eighties so an mostly Simpson folk people bringing. They talk about one guy. I forget his name. Who is who says some Mexican seats to Afghanistan in the in the early seventies and then they they mentioned that I think Chanaka someone talks about bringing them Afghan landrace in the pool in the eighties but I don't talk about. This is the whole seed industry with the online online seat industry. And if you look at the the shipping lists of your average dot show seed company. It would make for horrifying reading. I mean the the the online sort of Internet commerce is just arriving in places like India and Southeast Asia So I I I mean. I'm just like some huge business park to the type of in Hyderabad India. I think so there will get up for on on coming to India so in the next couple of years. God knows what's going to happen. I mean it's it's something you already started people shipping hybrid seats into India and places. But I mean we're we're looking at a time and it's Yeah it's a serious situation so this part of getting people to take it seriously. I think it's quite important parts of it to persuade. Some people like the Millennium Seed Bank. And so and so you've got one one accession of Cannabis. I think it's Yeah they looked at a lot of different factors because she's changed so they they looked at not just morphology not just Chemical profiles but also genetics and when they looked at chemical profiles they focused on tacb ratios because concentration can be influenced by all sorts of factors. So that doesn't really make sense to focus on concentration but THC CBD ratios are more genetically controlled. So they focused on that. They also looked at Turpin Lloyd's which I thought was great And we'll talk more about that in a minute. But they notice patterns around How certain varieties seem to lack key Types of turpin turbines. That gives them their characteristic. Smells that people. Throughout you know Millennia have have noticed as cannabis has been evolving and changing That in certain areas of the world canvas seems to be more sweet in other areas of the world canvas seems to be more skunk. And you know Bets are things so they they kind of honed in on that But I'll kind of pass it off to you if you want to kind of explain The new tax And particularly also. I'm interested to hear how this has affected your work in collecting these land restraints. Because what I noticed. Was you immediately after this paper? Went Out Tried to provide clarity around your seed catalog to help. People understand what you're seeds would be classified as under the new model You know to the best of your ability which I thought was a very Very cool thing to do. I didn't notice any other companies doing that I still haven't noticed. Any other is actually doing it. And especially as quickly as implemented that change so you mind explaining what's changed and And what do people really need to take away from this? If they're really interested in trying to understand the differences in these varieties and the new names that they're gonNA see under website and that's sort of thing. Yeah I mean I've tried and myself Layman's way to apply that new formal Tax To what I've collected And it and it's tricky because the areas I've been to an a no well Such as Pakistan for example writes at the intersection of where Indika meat. So I mean just to just just to give the actual names The wild the wild type Central Asian populations the wild type of putative ancestral populations that cooling via aspirations and then the wild type South Asian populations calling him a Himalayan sis and the the meeting points of those two is more or less somewhere around the Kunar river which separates Afghanistan and Pakistan. Now in my experience up in the mountains in northern Pakistan. Most of what we've seen the volume lances. That's not to say there on the aspirin type that is in with the the eight. Lancia late stories is the term bland late leaves classics. That have indicate shapes. I'm sure they are up into trouble because I know other people have seen them up there. But what I experienced back in two thousand and seven when I was there in Pakistan. It made me very confused because I'm not a botanist. So what I was looking at this whole industry thing. It doesn't make sense to me but that's because I was in Pakistan whether these two types of plan meat so I was saying a lot of intermediate I was saying a lot of intermediate type domestic kits which she she seemed to be. Didn't seem to fit neatly into this. This collectible Indica Sativa thing and of course the reason for that is. This is basically a zone of maximum diversity for for sub-species Indika and a lot. I after a couple of years it dawned on me as much as Clark mentions in his work The domesticates hybrids between land races. In fact many land races probably most land races are hybrids between. Landrace is but what you have in some way like trial in in Yakking Valley. Which is the upper reaches of the river? I if you grow seeds from there you'll see a whole spectrum within one landrace as it were. You'll you'll see these big sativa type plants. You'll see these old indica-type plants with the classic indicated leaflets and this is going out one accession of seats. You understand so you village like patron gods in in your couldn't which is the famous Chiara's producing you take one batch of seeds from one former that you grow them out you'll see a whole range of variation and that's because these pay it to be hybrids between nine rices and you'll also see very very big for me too tall plants within the Qatari leaflets. And not being honest. I was baffled by this. Of course if I was a botanist I realized that what I'm looking at is Is is clearly a hybrid population and it but this is nothing new. If you look at the list of accession on the supplementary material for this new study you'll see that they were seeing these intermediate forms from accessions back in the nineteenth century and an even by was finding them so he collected plants in. What's now called Nuristan which is also just down just down if you if you follow the Kunar River from its source in your couldn't down through to trial into Afghanistan you get to this place Nuristan. Which was called Cafe Stan? And and in one of his accessions I think it was a domestic from nor stan was clearly an intermediate. is clearly a hybrid between an indicate domestic to domestic as you'd expect because this is the frontier between these two populations from Central Asia and South Asia. So yeah now now. It will make sense to me puzzled. And also the other thing I'd screwed up was I was relying too heavily. On April of by Bobby lobster counts of his own material and he and he's notoriously inconsistent and he changes his mind about things and he hedges on things. And you'll have one idea at one point and another another point but I assumed because he said in his forget if it's the nineteen twenty nine or the One thousand nine hundred twenty four account anyway in his earliest accounts of his expedition. He he says I hadn't seen these UPLANDS Lonzo late as an indika leaflets. Anywhere else in Afghanistan except for in the Kanawha Valley. Wed what he's growing cannabis now. He was wrong. Of course people probably would grind kind of around but he also growing in the his accessions from northern Afghanistan. When they were out by Sarah Cova they actually did show indica-type leafless so when I looked at his own tables and stuff in his paper he was he was saying all the only the only the only plants listed as having broad leaflets with the Chinese ones making length measurements for the Afghan Afghan. Landrace is the doesn't mention anything about the wisdom of the leafless and all the shape well he does mention something about the shape. He says he claims nothing else. Had these plans lately Nathan. Actually when when mccollum went and looked in the area He he In the Vale of Barium he found the Lo and behold that she did have the classic indicate leaflet shape. Just decide what we're talking about. The shapes small apartments have full Mo- system for establishing what an Indika leaflet shape and involves measuring the fan leaves as I called a at the base of the in fluorescence. You you look at the central leaflet and then you take a measurement of the whitest points of that leaflets and how far the on the leaflets. So they do a ratio basically. I six to one or something anyway. I'm anything involving numbers completely throws. Maye but they've got a formal basis for establishing Wasser. What the ratio is yeah? It's IT'S A. I got the paper here just to refresh my memory. It's the The link over the width is usually greater than six. So over six to one that ratio of Linked to with for a canvas not subspecies Indika yet. Anyway I mean it's it it's it's sort of I think a lot of people in the back of their mind when they when they were looking at smalls previous system where you just lump Indika Culture Jen's and sativa call to Jen's into this one subspecies indicate INDIKA. They also have a niggling which is the the arguments as well supposed interference. Indica Sativa as opposed domesticates. So the the the conservative only small original argument was that both domestic. It's so they're not meriting that married former classification varieties of their own. But I was thinking well this this leaflets shape that leaflet his surely not something that people of selected for its surely negative of natural selection of of something that's happened independent independence of humans. Now I mean 'cause there are many other traits of of sativa cult agendas and Indika Jensen clearly are the results of of Of Human selection such as Afghan has plants have these resin glands that very easily detach from the Braxton from the leaf. And that's clearly something that's been favored by centuries of sitting sitting hashish for example. I mean there's as many other aspects of it but clearly indicate human involvement. But anyway you know this is. This is finally solve the puzzle for me. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Mcparland had already Pointed out I think back in like two thousand eleven or something longtime ago now He pointed out that our vernacular needed to change in that. It would make more sense to call these things Afghanica. But now it's really getting into more formalized way where you can actually apply dichotomies key and identify these things. And then what we refer to as Sativa plants are now considered These this variety of Indika and then Between those we have the domesticated of versions of those and the quote unquote wild type versions of those so just to just to kind of make sure that we synthesize all that in case anyone listening has gotten confused at all the drug type varieties. You've got four varieties. The two main ones to pay attention to is what used to think of. As indika should be formerly called Cannabis Sativa subspecies Indika Variety Afghanica. And then what we normally talk about locally a sativa you should think of Cannabis Sativa subspecies Indika variety. Indika just stop you. Sorry but the crucial thing is. Is that this. This old applies only to authentic land. Races like yes. Yes yes yes. None of this applies to Indica Sativa. As as as you you buy the coffee shops the dime will you know in a in a dispensary in America because we'll Miss Sutton all of Hybrids if these two full varieties so this is only applying to Asian populations Yeah sorry to interrupt you piano very very very important. Point to note That's something I wanted to get into. Because in our first conversation we talked about how most of the cannabis that the majority of people in the world are exposed to Has such little diversity at all allusion of diversity and I was really pleased to see that may Portland and small called that out. And they explicitly talk about that All of this cannabis flooding around that. Yeah the work locally calling indicates a TV in the dispensaries usually that's only Defined off of You know the TCCB D ratio or someone. Subjective experience they list. I love that they list example of AK47 example of a strain that has won both the Sativa category and the indika category in Some of these competitions Be An excellent point. I mean anything anyone. Listening that Is getting cannabis from a dispensary and the hear people talk about indicates all of that is? I mean it's just noise really Because these plants have been hybridize so much. Especially because a prohibition You know has really driven that To a huge extent. Also just beyond prohibition just for hundreds thousands of years the way that humans have selected these plants we've lead ended up Harbored izing them to the point that there's no meaningful distinction between them when it comes to this level of formal categorization and everything The hope is an the that they do sort of Hedge on this in the paper. The hope is that there are still nine races out there and I might experience I think points to that still being authentic landrace as populations out there that do still merit full recognition and a representative of authentic domesticates. So that's another question and I interrupted you before you got to with the the uncessary putative ancestral of aspirin. Which is the virus Briamah? Which is the the wild type populations that say wild type because it way to solve head John? Weather as a truly operational indigenous still or whether that representative of the mixing between domestic and and aboriginal populations this aspiration the Himalayan says and the you know the the big question is the true aboriginal population still left. An small Portland are hopeful that they might they might be places in South Asia for example where you might still have the virus that hasn't been affected by exchange of pollen with domesticated populations. If there are probably somewhere way in the far northeast of India. I ruined shop. Asha somewhere but is far as the night doesn't have much of a history of cultivation as for Virus Burma the ancestral indika while type relations. I think it's pretty unlikely that you're going to find true. Aboriginal populations of an and the reason for this is the again. If you look at that Amazing Matt you see it going from the Tian Shan up on north of northwest China. Cutting down through the pioneers down through the Afghan Hindu Kush Where they have the accessions of this far pariah type plant all of those regions regions. Where that's been kind of cultivation for Millennia so the likelihood of That being true true aboriginal on a pure populations of Varas Roy Moore is pretty limited. The site goes for the For the Indian lab from Indian Kashmir down through a Macho and Khan pool all the way down through into secure minutes of Baton Pretty Much. All of those regions have hissed very long history of cultivation. Going back at least to and thousand years so the chance of that being a wild type plants the trudy aboriginal this is you know that hasn't happened yet. Exchanges of genetics with domesticates is very very small indeed. That sort of brings me to some criticism. What questions I have about some of that paper. But maybe we can leave that 'til later but just to say I mean I thought it might be worse kind of sort of zooming out a bit just because I know from my experiences is very difficult to conceptualize this rather to sort of understand. This will without contextualising it. So I mean this this whole process of the creation of south as it were. This goes back sort of fifty seven million years or so. When India wasn't even parts of Eurasia? It was drifting off the coast of Australia somewhere. And then it. It kind of floated in and smashed into Sumatra smashed into Burma and then eventually fifty seven million years ago or fifty million years ago actually smashed into Tibet. And then again this huge price of the Himalayas and the Tibetan plateau lifting then this this caused this radical change in the climates of Eurasia of Central Asia and resulted in the creation of a stat climate on the other side of the Himalayas in places. Like Ching Ching Hai which is northeastern Xinjiang. This this was what then caused I'm cannabis wished that this point exist to diverge from its nearest ancestor. Hillis that the hub. And so that. That's that's sort of put this in context and then when we're talking about humans humans didn't even exist at this point. We didn't come into the story until the very very very tiny fraction of it. He so so so so humans on even featuring this yet and so from from Shanghai. Which is it's once will amdo so north northeastern Tibet and this is A step climate. You've got created to from from that. Interestingly it appears that kind of this kind of headed off Westwood's I probably the seeds in the stomach birds migrating and this kind of thing. Anyway Phosphor would another forty million years six million or so years ago you find. Cannabis suddenly appears on the Western step over near Europe and it was considerably late to that eventually ended up in China proper. And I'M GONNA have to check my night six. I remember when it was but it first appears in China. Oh by the way just just to clarify. It was twenty seven point eight million years ago that kind of diverged from the hub. Yeah okay six point three million years ago. It's made it across to Europe as in Europe in the sense of the western step so it was kind of Ukraine Russia types at a very southern and southern Russia Barry and then a two point six million years ago when you I find it's in China proper in a Ningxia. So humid went by the time humans rock up into Eurasia sort of sixty thousand or one hundred thousand years ago six years ago kind of is across much of Eurasia except for Southeast Asia. But you know this again. Fits INTO PHILLIPS PICTURE? Cannabis was probably domesticated several different sites. Because it's certainly was available to be domesticated at different sites it across Eurasia. But yeah so that. Is it some sort of context but again when we're talking about actual domestication? That's even later still. This is what we're into the Holocene now kind of ten thousand years ago when it could even possibly have happened. But there's no evidence really happening until I mean you get to some fines from Japan about an if I can just switch to now because I find it hard to think in thousand years ago once we get into this so so the beginning of domestication of of food crops and stuff. We're talking ten thousand in the vans and stuff and similarly in China. But you don't see any kind of doesn't really get any indication that there's no evidence yet of being domesticated properly until sort of let me check but I think it's like in in in the in over in the sort of Towards Europe it's talking about kind of three thousand the issue that kind of point. That's that's that's some some domesticated pollen probably. It's with the young neier culture there. Sorry go back like twenty seven hundred. Bc I know is one number. Yeah where they a and I. I think it's been put. I'm sure it goes further back than that as far as what we have actual pretty good evidence for. Yeah we know we can go as far back as three thousand B C. Yeah it's Yeah you're right it's That's the fines in in young show in in China by which sort of Of the young shall culture sorry in China which they've got definitely clearly domesticated seats but even Nisus kind of tricky because That was suddenly. A condom hunter-gatherers themselves probably onto sleeping domesticating cannabis. Because of the type of to is. It was really well suited to that. 'cause the because it naturally grows on them kind of a nitrogen rich soils next to Rivers and stuff and that was it natural environment it tended to lights to grow so when people would have been hunting and drinking and stuff they probably would have picked up. Plants hunter-gatherers picked up plants and then transported them back to their camps where then would have found already favorable environment in kind of rubbish heaps in around you know where people were crapping and stuff so already have this unconscious Process of people bringing back the types of plants. They like to the Living Areas So one of the radiology findings from Japan of eight thousand BC. Interestingly the seats have no clear wild traits they appear to be partly domesticated. So you already this kind of likely to have this sort of unconscious domestication. And and that that traits of the sleeping domesticated goes with the seeds staying inside the employer. Essence is a which is nutty that process take centuries for A crop A wild plum that's being cultivated become a proper domesticated as an lose traits that process itself. Take Century. So yeah. I'm sure you're right. It actual domestication is likely to been happening a lot earlier than the actual evidence we have for it right. Yeah and and something I wanna you know point out to. Is this this whole idea of You know trying to figure out if there any Examples of true aboriginal cannabis. You know still in existence This is something that doesn't just affect cannabis. This is something that You know a mcpartlin. A small point out that this is an issue affecting All domesticated plants that. We have today that there are very few domesticated crops that we work with now that we can go and and see know a specimen of the true aboriginal type that would later be turn artificially selected into what we see now shifting gears just a little bit something I wanted to ask you about. I wanted to see if something at your experience with land races there so they they mentioned So we mentioned at the very beginning that one of the things that they examined were teens. Turpin Lloyd content and Organoleptic characteristics of these landrace varieties of cannabis and in the paper. They say that South Asian land is often smell or sweet whereas Central Asian land races. Give off an accurate or skunk aroma. And they're basing that off of some Robert Cox work in the in the eighties. Has that been your experience that that distinction is is that strong that if you find land races from South Asia they're going to be sweeter than those you find from Central Asia that that'd be skunk. I mean I know the you. We mentioned in our last conversation that cannabis grown in these different areas of Asia are used for different purposes and they have different organic traits and things that some you prefer to You know extract the resins and use separately whereas others like the Ganga of Fridays. That you know you would just roll up in smoke in the joints. And they'll be pleasurable and flavorful. So I wanted to ask you about that how that matches your experience. Well Yeah I. I was slightly concerned when I when I thought through earlier one of the states at the extent to which he just stunned a smoke Barth Gone Ika in the Afghan plans as but because I have friends who who cultivate these landrace as we've been getting from Afghanistan and Pakistan. Do Smoking that way and say it's very nice so I I don't have the accents which I've been any way so empirically investigated this stuff. Mostly what I'm doing connecting and talking to people and reading books and stuff. I'm not in a position to grow these plants myself. I rely on feedback from customers and stuff. So I'd say it's a it's a very haphazard of getting a picture of it but certainly the those particular toppings but alcohol set out alcohol. That's definitely something those skunk aromas are definitely something that in my experiences associated with central-asian when I say centralized being sort of as the Hindu Kush basically in my experience of the Hindu Kush is purely an to trial and then being in power and getting a Afghan and hashish from the Pakistani Hindu. Kush and stuff whilst I was there and being trump says friends of mine like Lucas. Eventually Aniston and other friends who work with who who who know the area have contacts in the area so I haven't sort of unlike Lucas is one of the people who collects for me. I haven't supports around in fields and stuff and smell the plants and things but yeah everything was saying in terms of what we've collected it. Fits that pattern? Absolutely the One thing that the The size a also a lot of what we were seeing. It doesn't pay we have. We've got pure Veronica's from from from the sessions that we got from the we will half a lot of what seem to be an Var into Kafka hybrids so the domestic. The Afghan sows cool. Mazaar-i-sharif will Missouri Obamacare It appears to be a very large blunt in which A one extreme variation on the website has can have very Sativa tight knit flights and be very tall and other other extreme from the same accession you can have extremely Indyk type. Arsenic appliance. So an how exactly the Var Indika Genetics or even. Maybe not. Maybe they're maybe this inferences from hemp cultivation in his stan hyper diced know. We don't we don't know yet but this is another question in my mind about the The patent they paint with the Forest Brian and volume length system this reproductive barrier between the two of them It's clearly made that case for that with the accessions but I wonder to what extent what extent is. It's the case that it seems to me. The violence is can survive the on that northern extent. There's some indication of that in in the accessions they've vandalized but you know it's The question is can aspirin paraina so across south southwards. A bet one example from From Kulu valley which suggests that it can but I wonder where can I mentioned about secularity? So what extent I don't know what I wonder is can the see what you might have is tip plasticity. So you know this. Genetic forest rations as they sort of moved on was into India. Perhaps they just themselves differently. I excite expressed themselves in a more lance. This way I mean that seems to you. What's happened when you when people have introduced hybrid genetics into into Milan or in the modern era? Is they end up to the planning? And and with with its. I don't want to understand what how much of a bad thing that is the diversity but the fina typically. They expressed themselves in a in a way that's appropriate to the to the climate. But I like wrestling. What you're asking me you just touched on something that In the paper they talk about and in in my book I mentioned. But just how quickly cannabis plant no matter how domesticated it may be? How quickly can naturalise to whatever location? It's in and start to exhibit While type traits which makes all of this work that much more complicated but Within forty and fifty generations of of cannabis plant. You can have it. Dramatically changed. How expressing itself going going in one direction that we know that from a domestic to Awadh Site Sina Type Right. How long it takes to go from a wild type phenotype to a domestic. Because I have. She's but but yeah it's it's very I mean I've seen For example someone Who who who put some of the Lebanese we got from Bekaa Valley which incidentally is definitely a place. Lebanon where you've had a lot of hybridization going on quite possibly between a Hem and between Veronica I'm between for Africa speaking to people in Spike into a in Lebanon who site that was definitely a particular individual they can name names. Who bought Afghans seats to Lebanon in the Seventy S Similarly another friend of mine talks about bringing 'em balcony genetics. From stone to to the Pakistani indie Kushner seventies and knows the names but anyway so these are definitely high hybrid since at least the thirteenth century had hybridization between land races and we. I- customer growing out Lebanese a very humid environment Against my voice but anyway with growing out an exhibit CDs extremely narrow makes sense. Yeah Yeah and Whereas other people in new riding them in sorts of places like southern Spain in a very dry climate and up in the mountains expressing these much more sort of Afghanistan's leaflets. So instantaneous KENO typic- plasticity A. It's what you'd expect from a plan that's evolved high up in the mountains where you have these extremely changeable climates Yeah exactly and and to anyone listening in case we haven't made it super clear because there's a lot of things sometimes. We have in our minds that might not quite catch onto that that climatic difference the reason it's going to influence the not just leave structure below also like node links and that sort of thing that if you're in a very humid environment the plant needs to breathe so that it doesn't get moldy and you know get attacked by a fungal pathogens and that sort of thing whereas in drier climates plants can afford to be more dense much more leaf tissue and everything Because they don't have that selective pressure against them the May like so slow transpiration rates and yes things an and the Yes or no no. Yeah I just wanted to make sure that was clear. 'cause we mentioned several times about varieties moving into like the monsoon areas. All these different things. I just WanNa make sure that anybody listening. In case they hadn't quite piece that together yet that they understand why the morphology is going to be affected by those climates. And and what you just talked about about You know These varieties being moved around. I I thought it was really cool. How the paper in one paragraph talks about I mean it's cool in a academic intellectual sense. It's devastating and another level but Talking about how People would brag about how they brought the example. I'm looking here. Is They brought Mexican gold into Afghanistan in the early seventies and how they What was the other one that they were bringing central? Asian Land Races and South Asia In the seventies in Nepal in the eighties and Jamaica and Thailand and This It's it's interesting. How OUR PERSPECTIVES? Change the bore. We learned that at one time that seemed like a really awesome exciting thing to do taking land races from one place and bringing them to another place and seeing what they do together and now we're looking at that band like. Oh Jeez what have we done? You know. Sort of thing of You know we've we've so heavily contaminated These gene pools with other land races. And I think that's something that Sometimes people that aren't in so involved in in all this work It can sometimes be harder to appreciate because someone might think like well. He take to land races together. Like you know you've got these interesting genetics and you'll get something else interesting So I could see why in the seventies with the understanding that we had at the time That was exciting But now looking back and seeing these things Mexican Gold Panama read all these other strains that were so popular in the sixties and seventies that thing got cross bred in Afghanistan these critical regions. I mean the thing I'd say with the Afghan one is the only reliable source. They quote that a rival that buys learn. His name is the guy who claims he did it. Pietri the one who they quotes is also talking about. I'm sure it's just a guy who'd read that book. He's not he's not as anecdotally from what hold is is not a reliable character but then the The An Italian guy who also talks about it. But I don't know what I don't want. The Italian academic was basing his opinions on it. I mean th the reason I say that is because since nineteen seventy-nine. There's no way it's highly highly unlikely people being bringing that type of plant into Afghanistan because it's just it's more being off limits so in a sense that the disaster that's happened in from from minded perspective is a good thing to cannabis because it's sort of kept it away from not type of phenomenon put. Yeah I mean what I've seen in the pool. A one session we got from that From a a hashish producer. Who Wish it it it it it. I wouldn't say shows any obvious. Signs of Afghan contamination sons of. It doesn't have toppings or anything like that but it does have mockingly large Meves but yeah I I. My my sense is that there's still a substantial zones of central and South Asia and even Southeast Asia where it's still possible to get pure land racism and small apartments instead of at the end. They say optimistic that we hope that is the case and I. I hope they right in my experience suggests that right but of course I'm I'm I'm judging from unseated perspective and also have a financial incentive to solve presents it that way obviously. I'm biased toward bias towards presenting it in that perspective but honestly I would say this dispassionately as I can. My my sense is they are. There are still populations unaffected. And of course they're all away from the the places where I go and also just a continued thought Laos which is very efficient sense required chief economist of Philander races that I'm was off limits for a substantial period of nineteen seventy five until the late nineties. It didn't really start and up to tourism although I have spoken to one smuggler from the sort of ties stick day. Who says the Frank did introduce Hyper genetics into central Laos at one point for a commercial great but my my sense is from having lifted up because I lived that for four or five years. I didn't see any obvious. Signs of of foreign hybrids at nothing struck me as being very obviously contaminated by them. Everything I was seeing An the way the economy itself sort of worked with the commercial. Christ it it it was. It's very isolated by and large from from the type of person. He's going to do that. It's not to say that people have NGO workers and stuff who who lived that and people who have managed to get into the tourism ministry. I know that people were did bring hybrid stuff into grow gardens and things because you can get away with it in house and you can do it within the law now. They liberalized that you can have six garden now. It doesn't matter because no one gives it possible it's it's a yeah that allow friends of mine would talk about. Saf rang. You saw wrong is like a foreign. Sorry I'm western Western. Ganga people even knew about what it is but it doesn't do very well let because it's just a particularly bad climate for if anything that's got remotely sort of Genetics gets absolutely savaged. Whereas you know the the local land rises they've put lit up to to being grown there. So if you're a commercial grow why would you want to screw up with that kind of stuff if you can rate if you can grab a failed of the local landrace But Yeah I mean I'm I'm an optimist insofar as I think is possible within the next couple of years at least Representatives original land races. An landrace is that may have also been affected some degree but the still was collecting. Absolutely I mean I think that's an important takeaway from all of this. Is that even if we have trouble finding uncontaminated You know sources of some of these land races what does exist. In whatever level of contamination it exists is still worth preserving still worth collecting because of the contamination issue is going to just continue and get worse and worse and worse. Hybridization is going to continue and whatever can be captured now regardless is important but to begin to Rap Conversation because I think that's a a really good Segue how is this research going to affect the real seed company going forward? Is it going to affect Areas that you target Varieties that you target any of that. How how does all of this information affect the way you're thinking about the company Yeah I mean it's always in my mind I'm sort of wondering myself where makes sense to guy next Everything Woods other other people who are actually from these places during the collecting as much as I can say that. I'm I'm not flying around so much dumping tons of carbon in the time an was I not having to do this. Huge sort slugs across the months at a time which is awesome in many ways huge privilege but also extremely hot. What makes it quite difficult to to to to do at the same time anyway? I saw there are areas that I don't know anyone in the ams thinking flexing on parts of the Nepali layer and parts of northeast India that I'd like to have more of and also we were hoping earlier this year to to collect across parts of India itself southern India the covid nineteen thing happened and completely up but but but many of these some traditional Indian gadget domestic. It's a very important in In India is more linked into Internet commerce so this more MO- hybrid genetics. Going in the You know the chances of finding a finding the real thing is getting lower and lower focus there and wild type plant from northeast India or a a a something. I'm particularly keen to get hold of and generally we're moving more towards collecting a while. Type seats It was something that was always of interest that was sort of financial incentive to it but I think as sort of level of understanding amongst aficionados a significant increase than what will get more of those and I'm also keen to get hold of Southeast Asian Hemp Land Racism. Hoping Friends of mine can help me get hold of them and basically everywhere interest but I would like to Gawk in Central Asia because I haven't been to Tajikistan an isis which a hugely important I just have no idea to what extent it's feasible to collect seats there. I have no idea what the law is on that kind of thing so I don't know anyone married that's another hugely consequential place A as as this study has demonstrated for ancestral indika populations. I wish I could go to Xinjiang. But that's not happening. Complete Disaster Zayn I know well and that's another part of this puzzle to is. You've got this. These other dynamics at play. It's not like you can just wander in and collect seeds from plants. You've there are. There are all sorts of conflicts going on and economic devastation. All sorts of really really hard things that that affect this work something. I really appreciated On your social media that I wanted to give you a chance to briefly talk about is how the real sea company is working to try to support some of the locals. Um that are in some of the areas that That you've been sourcing seed from that. You know before the podcast started. We're talking about how Covid nineteen stuff obviously defecting every body but The media is not really shining much attention on a lot of these communities that are Really getting hit hard by this. That don't have the resources that a lot of Countries might have or a lot of the Privilege that a lot of the places have To you know so anyway. I know that you've been doing food. Drops or helping With supporting some of these food drops that have been happening in some of the local villages and other places where some of your work touches said. You might speaking a little bit to that. And if there's any way that any listeners can Offer their own support. Help support some of these families That are being affected Economically or you know sick or don't have access to food. You know all these sort of things That are very much connected to all of this work and the cannabis plant Let them know how they can get involved with that? Well yes sure I mean this was something. I'm conscious of in terms of collecting the seats. Because you could. If you have Ryan Facet of portray what I'm doing is the former colonial plunder in some ways because I'm going and taking from these places and make money out of it and I was always of that so I wanted to find ways to get money back to people who actually from these communities so one way I've done is just to actually get them to do the collecting and to give them a generous percentage of the retail price of what of what we sell the seeds but another another way. I have friends in money at these prices. Been visiting you know many years Who Work in NGO outfits who all just individuals who want to help that community so in the case of trial for example that was From the one thousand nine hundred eighty three to the seventies was a major center of hashish production in the Hindu Kush after Xinjiang shutdown but then in nineteen seventy nine ish I believe it was The Pakistani government suddenly became bryce strict about production in that particular area and started to very heavily. Enforce prohibition relative to how much had done before and what was promised that atrocities that up in your Kernan places that they would provide them with an alternative source of income which you know they never actually sort of make good on that promise so this is left communities that would otherwise have been making money out of commercial production in a pretty bad situation essentially what you have now is that must most families get half the main source of income from that Kids walking down in the cities like the shower and his about Nelson. They'll send money home when they have it. But of course with the lockdown them and a lot of people have lost their there. And so you actually do have the poor families up into a small scale subsistence farmers. So they're in a very precarious situation just in terms of having enough food to get through the crisis. So yeah I have friends. I'm in many years I've been sending You know to help them to food drops to families and I want to people and instagram. If they wanted to contribute site if people are interested they can email me or or follow instagram at the real sea company. And and I just dropped me dark message and I'll send them away to the they can send money to me because I know a lot of people are nervous about sending money to Pakistan or don't wants to have to pay for the transfer fees or nonsense of money Graham where you have to provide all your passport details and stuff so they can just pay POW me money. Basically and I'll send it to my friend and he'll he'll do the food drops he's been sending me lots of photos of him hauling bags of rice to families and stuff and I it is genuinely Radi I can. I can tell you sincerely appreciated by people that extremely grateful for an 'cause I need it. It's not just a yen. It puts things into perspective. I think for people that live in places like the United States or the UK or any of these. You know more wealthy areas. That you know I I look around and I see people here in the United States complaining about what's going on with stay at home orders. And all these things they they act as if they're so negatively affected and in some ways sure they are. I mean they're mental health problems all sorts of other things with people having to be stuck at home with job insecurity and everything. But the people that we're talking about right now are experiencing a totally other level of challenge With this issue I think hope my hope ensuring the story and and I'm going to be talking about this more my own instagram. Try to get people pointed towards us. I hope that it helps people. Kinda stop a little bit and think about what they're complaining about and what their actual situation is in life compared to to others around the world because we get so caught up in our narrow tunnel vision of of a life that sometimes we forget that you know when stuff like this happens. I mean there are people that literally have no food like like we can still if we need to go to a grocery store and get food. Yeah we've gotta wear masks and do all these different things and take precautions but we're still able to get food There are places in the world that don't have that luxury And so bringing attention to that is something I I feel very I don't know very led to do think it's a very important thing and I really appreciate the fact that you're trying to do that work. Oh Yeah I mean it's a it's a nation but it it feels good to be. It's a privilege and a way to be able to help people in feels good to see how it for me. It will fit into the bigger picture in which these These communities these margin FRY marginalized rural communities. The communities have kept these laundries going straight. For prohibition despite the efforts of the Pakistani government to wipeout cultivation in young people still did grow grow in between them as crops. They grew up in the mountains they did. They did maintain these land races. That the people who've who've kept these ancient highly diverse populations going this time. They're the people who growing the plants that all I'm wooden hybrids based upon us daily. Once once we return to normality and put an end to prohibition which is happening it's happening in the poll and it's slowly happening entitled these. These communities will benefit once again from from cannabis in the way that they should have been a lifeline to them. Through prohibition but of in many cases forced the plan up into these more obscure places in some in some cases it just going in these places like roper and recommend balcon and so on but anyway I these these people if anyone deserves to have fair cuts out of the the money to be made from cannabis off people who should be getting it it as a natural justice to to try and some of the benefit back towards is people's yes I mean and the such an important thing that I've been thinking more and more about lately is Social Equity Piece. You know how you have. People that have been doing. The work for long periods of time to ensure that cannabis has gotten to where it is now and so. How do you ensure that those people that really deserve to profit off of an economy that includes cannabis? How do you ensure they actually get in on on that? And you know in the United States. The one of the big problems with legalisation. That's happened here. Is You look at the prisons. And you look at the. You know who's been jailed for cannabis over the years in the United States and There aren't I mean there are by nonprofits and stuff their efforts but there isn't a strong voice in the federal government yet about trying to release these people from prison or expunged records ensure that they're able to actually participate in the economy that they've actually contributed to supporting to get it to this point. You know so far and you also see that that predominantly affects people of Color Just the way that racism has also affected the application of cannabis laws And so this the social equity piece I think is really important anyone listening. I think it's something that we really need to start thinking about and talking about a lot more because these dominoes are gonNA fall fast when they do. Legalization is happening all over the world and as its as it happens one place. More PLACES. Viewed as an acceptable thing to do and there's influence happening Especially when you see the money involved in everything So we're going through this massive change and we run the risk of really you know to put it very bluntly really screwing over the people that deserve to really benefit the most from this that have been suffering in various ways or taking enormous risks to get things to where they are now so Yeah a lot of lot of pieces to this but even beyond just the humanitarian side the social equity piece of of what you're trying to do to ensure that these people are able to be active participants in the economy and and begin to benefit the way that they deserve is is excellent so Thanks for that and hopefully anyone listening will really take that to heart and think more carefully about about that dynamic can just because I I know you wanting to join us but just a second I think with with land races that there is potential for T to find a solution to what you're talking about which is the something akin to what they have in the EU with the Appalachian Control this Which applied to various types of liquor and cheese all kinds of things? I'm essentially for example First Class NAPOLETANO hashish It cannot be people that the real thing. If it's produced with the real landrace from saybrook somewhere in in recommen- roper so you know it's essentially a combination of the t the terroir damn timing and the plant itself the landrace itself so the way. I see that that that should be a solution that there is a potential solution to to safeguard these communities rights to these plants and these products A means of in any way sort of suggest. There isn't huge room for improvement of these land races and that you can have of in in Nepal which is incidentally is as far as the Sunday has already legalized everything. So you could have projects in some way like rookie. Moroka where you have One branch of it is I am the maintaining the land rice in its in. Its full Other isn't actually improving. The landrace inbreeding in stabilising Sutton Carts heuristic and producing a plant. That can compete with the best modern hybrids in in in whatever carts ristic's you want and you can ensure these these products authentic a another interest minus is t and. I lived in Taiwan for many years and From what I know of what they're doing in the TR tsn these various Taiwanese State funded state run projects that talking about using stuff like What's Crypto cryptocurrencies? Yeah but not the currencies but the actual sort of the blockchain technology. And that's it yeah. I don't I read a few studies about it and I had friends who were discussing it but a real problem they have in some way like Taiwan is that they have had this fantastic tyrod. Amazing cultivars us to have incredibly high quality tea produced in the mountains. That but the problem is that they're also having the market flooded by Vietnamese tea which can be surprising. Vietnamese illness And but it's very difficult for Taiwanese owned companies markets and know if you're getting the real single but that talking about using blockchain technologies and and this kind of thing to ensure that the supply it you know they they know that this is the real the real deal basically right. Yvonne Basically have like a validated ledger to work with so that. There's yeah yeah exactly. Yeah so this is these are things up pondering about I mean. I'm I'm at living but that to me. Seems like a a route ahead and there must be some kind of way that you can use this. This type of scenario describes to ensure the only Real Nepali cherishes is is sold as Nepali Taras and and the same the same the same communities in Humboldt communities in New York state and and so on have been hit very hard by prohibition in an minutes and not being served well by legalization that you can use this kind of terroir control type system to ensure the fantasy and sort of economic justice redressing the wrongs of probation. So exactly yeah I know that I know that I think it's Medicinal genomics uses Blockchain technology to Handle the ledgers involved with the Genetic sequencing but they do cannabis plants to try to Basically ensure that like once they've analyze something and assigned it a unique. Id obviously the New Orleans strain names or anything. They have these just very confusing to series of letters and numbers that is like the unique code for that sample of genetics and that as that moves around databases or whatever they can Use blockchain technology to ensure the integrity of that and it's a way of ensuring that basically third party can't come in and manipulate things in some way That within You know sabotage the efforts of breeders and that sort of thing so I agree with you and I think that blockchain technology the way you're talking about using it I think it's going to spread throughout Agriculture and nursery plants in general. Because this is something that it affects roses. It affects grapes. You know all these different things that you need to be able to As a as a breeder able to protect yourself if you're introducing an new genetics and their traditionally have been these registries For nursery plants and crops. And things like that but like it just pointed out. They can be manipulated. They can be fudged by other parties. That's worth they're not necessarily totally protected. They're sort of a trust placed into them But integrating things like blockchain. Technology can eliminate the need trust altogether. You just know based on the way that it's designed and the way structure That everything is is safe from Manipulation and that the the information being shared is traceable in true. I want some Portland and smooth. What do I see him? It's going to be the next Study in a nice start looking at the contemporary accessions. Perhaps that combined with the genetic analysis and stuff can actually prove that are authentic. And what's what's not what has been hybridize with hybrids. Hasn't it's going to be very complicated because as as we free touched on many land races hybrids of land racist probably all land rights as a heart's races. But some some going you know some as with like low anti cancer plants hybrids happened many hundreds of years ago summer rates since the seventies late Lebanese landrace in Bekaa Valley. But I mean it'll be tricky and as far beyond my so ken but I imagine if they can do that and establish what's what's what's authentic and what's not an and you can. You can combine that with all these other ways of ensuring los anticipate. I think that's what I'm looking for now. I think that's why more people are getting interested in Landrace. This is because we're all looking for anticipate these days and is distinctly lacking in so many places you know and that's true on just like a philosophical level we are. We're at the stage where we're so tired of artificiality and are looking for authenticity. In so so many levels An cannabis is definitely one of those Well before we totally sign off. I want to give you a moment. If there's anything we haven't touched on that you wanted to to make sure to highlight or if not And just go ahead and let folks know how to learn more about the real seed company. You know you've got your blog Assume that anyone listening to this has heard our first interview so You know you've got the real sea company also got exceeds You've got your Log reshare a lot of your thoughts on on these issues whereas as well as linking to conversations like this that we have So I'll just kinda hand over the platform to you. If there's anything related anything we've talked about that. You feel like gap we need to touch on. We can do that Otherwise we'll go ahead and wrap things up and let people know how to Support you and find you. Yes sorry that was a that was a real delay on the line just there. I'm sure you can fix it all in the ad. But yeah yeah there. It sort of specific aspects of some of the supplementary material of this study that that I'm still pondering that I briefly mentioned like the the question of exactly how old or need the classic Guanzhou Landrace is It's maybe it's just a pus. An obsession of mine. I have I think they. They misrepresents some of the studies that they've used suggesting that John Racist Go back to the thirteenth century. I if you look at the the academic moyle impelled. I think his name is I've I've managed to find the papers and I think they've just misread what he said. He says there's not much evidence for that. Basically you don't see the the name Gangetic until the sixteenth century. Really done Gica about things but dating these texts. He's talking about is notoriously difficult so yet but my my theory is the creation of these types of high potency high. Thc South Asian landrace is something that really was catalyzed by the introduction of tobacco in the practice of smoking them with tobacco you to have kind of smoking oversee going way back at least to it to two and half years at least and you have pipes for smoking in that. They've found in Africa because smoking pipes goes way way back in Africa as well. We'll the pipes and stuff. It's it's extremely old. But they've found cannabis smoked in pipes in Africa in the sort of I think. It's the Thirteen tree ish kind of era. So and how far back do you like kilims? Go and that sort of thing I mean. That's I mean it's it's it's one of those things rather like the diffusion of cannabis in and those sort of Talking many flair hybridization of land racist. It's extremely hot. What's going on what action what's coming from? Where is it backwards and forwards? It's all my son. He Bites be likely to be a highly complicated picture of in both directions but My my theory is that that's a Tobacco was the key factor in in in in India that drove the selection pregnancy. Because if you look at say Garcia Portuguese Sephardic Jew he. He was in power in the in in the early fifteen hundreds. He doesn't talk about Ganji at all. You'd think if there was gadget that he would have at least picks up on him and he was a botanist. He just talks he talks about Bong and likewise you thank you. Don't see this time. Ganj until at least the sixteenth century. It doesn't really seem to get going until much later than that. That's a that's a guy called Thomas. Bowery who was a British much who was he was trading across the bad thing goal between Sumatra and India and he knew the commodities that are extremely well and he's a very reliable source. If you if you read all his stuff he seems to be on the money with pretty much. Everything and he He he he says the in India in sixteen seventy what they grew in India was among and he's very clear that bang is a different plant from Ganj. And that sort of fits with my understanding of this would be is Bong itself as as a word people keep saying. It's a Hindi word. It is a Hindi. Would it's in Hindi but it goes back to sort of five hundred BC Iranian middle middle. Tajuddin they quit but it's a very very old wet. It can apply to deteriorate to hand vein to kind of this if you're like okay. If you're looking at early Indian texts like the atop of Ada may volume there. And of course everyone likes to think that's Kinda and may maybe it's kind of this but we don't know for sure it could be any number of plants and I keep getting distracted onto different points but the points might of Pitcher I is is. The long is suddenly in India as in cannabis as sort of a central Asian type way of using cannabis is already in India suddenly by the eleventh century. It starts this time bang starts to appear in medical tax not kind of thing and this Guy Morel impelled who McCartan small refer to. He's clear that Eleventh Century Really Thirteenth Century as a sort of points at which you can say. Yes if they're talking about buying in this tax talking about cannabis I it's clear by that. Point is a thing in India. You see them early. Muslims in the eleventh century. Sort of talk about may be Fumigation. Type use of cannabis in temples based on you talk about using it to get stoned but you don't really have a definitively talking about buying until the thirteenth century which we discussed in the previous podcast. Was this very important. Point whichever explosion of Central Asia of hashish hush she sieving technique goes across into the Middle East. Suddenly you kind of is everywhere. People are getting stoned everywhere. All across North Africa and seems to be a right crucial points in India as well. And it's an alternate Muslim cultures establishing itself in India so Indians certain types of is going to hate me for this because it's basically sort of suggesting that the Muslims introduced cannabis to India with it the the ads for actually bowery. This guy in the late seventeenth century is saying all you have in India as equals accrued type of plant with large leaves. That's Bong whereas Ganges school coming from Sumatra in a place called at j just a very significant place on the northwest tip of Sumatra which was sort of trading point very prosperous in places like What's now bowed here and Thailand? And sort of linking through the bengals fruits. And what's now Calcutta the mountain west coast and you know a major trade rate but he barry's Klay saying Jonjo was coming from Sumatra. All they had in in India was bang. Bang was very cheap product. That Guanzhou was much sought after the Sumatran Gun. You said it was much addicting. Wien Ary as in people with smoking a bit and having a night on the town and anyway it was. It was much more expensive. It was much more expensive products at so many multiples of the price of bank. So my hunch is we should pay attention to what Barry says is properly answer because he should know I mean this guy was he was. That's make money. He was trading. He knew what the products were because he was. He was taking advantage of the disparities in spices and this prices of Isis type of stuff to make living and he was based out there for a long long time. Now it's not to say the Indians didn't develop under it. 'cause Indians were based in that show and they were probably growing. It is possible that they sort of May well be united. The earliest sort of censor of creation of these things was actually at this practice of selecting for potentcy and and creating what we now think of a you know this seedless product and that links with what you were saying about the Aromas of these types of South Asian nine races now. Lamar himself not noted that they smelled like tobacco. Now that's the case with Janin's Guanzhou has this very tobacco. We kind of aroma as loud and certain types of tie have this. Quite tobacco splendid fruity scents. And when it's pretty good it's sweeter but of course that's sweet sativa characteristics. That's something that's going to require. A lot of selective pressure as with good t and not type stuff very high levels of the amino acids and stuff that are responsible that type of thing as far as I understand it. Now that may well be a sign up deterioration of quality since the seventies. So I haven't I have seen it in good tien stuff. It's well I mostly seen of herbal aromas tobacco types of tobacco a romance. The you tend to find in sprint tropical Ganga but it was something that was blended with tobacco very early on and smoked and I think that highly addictive kind of combination of tobacco and Cavanaugh. It's is what really catalyzed this to become a commodity that was traded for from in from Central Asia into India and from Southeast Asia across to India and so on the demand for because it's around the same time that Barry was ready tobacco established itself as a crop in India. And it's that same time that the becks and actually probably Tajiks were were first recorded as as as introducing into Iran this practice of smoking with tobacco interesting. Wow Yeah so all comes down to splits. Yeah yes populism children's and bungs and everyone everyone in might sprints in all these parts they all smoking tobacco everyone. Does this very very seldom you meet someone who smokes pier and I like to smoke here when people see you smoke. Bloody how you want to smoke at are going to get too high. You know they they Everyone likes smoking with tobacco. You know. It's very addictive combination fascinating. Yeah that's something that personally. I've I've never really enjoyed the tobacco addition Sometimes it can. Yeah just really not not sit well with me. I can't do dissonance. I don't WanNA smoke something. I'm GONNA have to worry that it's going to give me cancer. Just what's the point anyway? Right yeah I know yeah I mean yeah sometimes it will mean depending on which this funny because sometimes I do smoke cigars. I like tobacco cigars. Usually a few times a few times a year but So I can handle tobacco for some reason. That mixture with cannabis is so prone to giving me the spins. And I don't know it's something that I just I'm like I don't don't mess with that. But agreement it. I think it's thirty eight thirty so of feeling you get from as well it just it it it. It takes the edge off the bus as well. I think it. Yeah and particularly you know. A lot of Indian show for example. Isn't always that potent it? That's again that's another whole issue. The the type of use of traditional use in in India is some is a tonic. It some good books on this people weren't necessarily smoking to get high. They were smoking to take the edge off very hard labor difficult lifestyles like being a wandering ascetic. Neither enough saying they weren't necessarily looking to to get wasted. They were actually looking to make life a bit easier. So that's another hell compensation and the Super Super Fascinating. All these cultural differences between how people relate to canvas so so fascinating. I love every time we get together and talk always so fascinating because I can always trust that. Our conversations are going to go in directions. I don't expect but that are super super fascinating So that's just another another one of those mis a pleasure to be able to sort of run for especially after having read. Read these papers because my mind is full of ideas and unfortunately Mike listen to me talking about it. Sometimes there's limits she can talk to talk about. It was only what she understands. What I'm talking about on Rudy appreciates it is is is a privilege. It's really good fun. Yeah and definitely. I've I've really enjoyed it and if You know as usual. The invitation has always out there if anything. Pops in your mind That we didn't go into that. You want to dive into later. don't hesitate to. Lemiux always enjoy our conversations and our listeners seemed to enjoy him or are less interviews. One of the most popular it is the most popular episode That we've done Yeah it's it was actually really cool on YouTube Someone commented and they said I I was. I was really humbled by this. They said just like The landrace strains that need to be collected and preserved conversations between these two people need to be collected and preserved. It was Super Super Nice. I really appreciate it so anyway. I need to wrap this up and go on but it was a really good pleasure connecting with you again As always and I'm sure we'll have more talk about soon and I know just like we've alluded to I know mcparland and small have more up their sleeves. They'RE GONNA be coming down the pipeline and the next if not really soon within the next few years. I'm sure we'll see More elaborations on the scheme and I. It's funny Our first interview. I asked you if you had to pick the tax if you had pick a Texan article model to go with even though we know that none of them are good enough. Which one would you choose and you said well how really like small and Cronquist and the way that they Handled things and so. It's so funny that jump forward you know from the seventies from when small cronquist I You know published Their papers on that. You know you jump ahead to twenty twenty and we've got mcparland small coming together and you know. Essentially taking what they had started and just elaborating it into a more cohesive scheme based on on what we know now so Seems like we were on the right track so anyway for everyone listening or Wa are watching the audio gramma. This on Youtube Thanks so much for for tuning in with us. I'm sure we'll have more share with you soon. but if you WANNA learn more about the real seat company go to the real seat company DOT COM Also a quick seeds dot com K. W. I k. seeds DOT COM Find that we've got the story behind that name I think in the last episode but you can find angus there. It's got great content and you know there are a lot of see providers out there but I don't I don't know if I've ever told the story about how you and I connected which might be kind of worth while to throw in here at the very end but the way that Amazon I got connected was I posted online. A timeline of cannabis taxonomy that I was using for Some of my Seminars and stuff and does a bit in there about Some of the work that Vavilov particularly had done and You commented on there and you're like I don't I don't know if this is quite right and we got into this Very civilized discussion. About our disagreements about trying to understand what was going on with taxonomy here which then led to well. Do you WanNa come on the podcast. And we'll just talk about it and it just it was A. I don't know it's it's really nice when you meet somebody that can Disagree or criticize in a In a very respectful and professional way and and then that led me to look into the real company. And all of the work that you do and I just I continue to be impressed by your dedication to try to get the facts right. Try to understand what we know. Share it with people. And when something's wrong you don't hesitate to say. Hey I was wrong about this or I made changes to this I said this at this time. But now I think this That's unfortunately a rare trait and a lot of a lot of folks these days. But it's something that I Really really appreciate. And that's that's how came together. And how these these discussions got started so let us cool to to share that and I appreciate you being one. They give up so much of your time. I said this wouldn't be a three hour interview but here we are at two hours. Forty minutes So collectively we've got five hours of content just just between you and me talking but I really appreciate you being willing to carve out the time and do this again. It's it's been awesome. Well thanks so much Jason. Thanks awesome all right. 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SYSK Selects: How Marijuana Works

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SYSK Selects: How Marijuana Works

"His hard. But I was so afraid I could lose everything loves wonderful and confusing, and magical and infuriated everything about life that we had thought and planned and hoped for was just in that moment gone. I was so so so lucky have that join the millions of listeners who've made committed possible and promise you it's cheaper than therapy. Listen to committed on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, happy Saturday. This is Chuck here to introduce you to this week's Saturday select, and we are going with a classic from the archives. How marijuana works? Why? Are we releasing this today on April twentieth? Oh because we're juveniles. That's why everybody enjoy it very insightful episode. And here we go with how marijuana works. Welcome to stuff, you should know from how stuff works dot com. Hey and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w took Bryant getting demons out, man. How about this music? Yeah. This is thanks to our guests producer Noel who is Jerry's actually producing. But he's got the musical touch. He's if you wanna he's dub producer. Yeah. If you wanna reggae fi, your podcast Knowle's, the man. Yes. Big, thanks to know. Yeah. Great idea by you. I and I yeah. I I love that. How you doing man? I'm great. You got some good feelings going on. Yeah. I mean, we've covered grow houses and we have medical marijuana. Right. I don't think. So. No, no. Because a lot of didn't seem familiar when I was looking into it in this article. So definitely done grow houses. Yeah. Which is kind of backwards. Yes. Well, not really gotta grow up. That's I so Chuck here. We are. We're talking about pot. And as is our thing, we're gonna talk about pot in a very like above the boards mature way. Are we I think we can assure we've talked about some other stuff before. Boop. We talked about poop plenty of times. Yeah. Well, booze everytime. We covered drugs. We like to cover the scientific aspects social ramifications. How it's impacted culture. Yeah. Why would this one be any different? Well, and this is probably the biggest, you know. It's the most ubiquitous I would say, yeah. You know? Yeah. Maybe the gateway to all the other episodes. Very funny. So. I guess if you we should start at the beginning. How about that? Okay. Let's talk about pot and its history its very long long long history. And actually for most of that history. It has been widely beloved and appreciated the apparently pots been cultivated or marijuana. We're going to use all that in interchangeably weed pot marijuana cannabis. That's probably where it will. Stop like if either one of his says gun, Joe or sticky achey Dickey in this artic- like we should just shut it down. Right then. All right. All right. We'll do the hey take that back. Yeah. One of us will say that. Okay. Yeah. But like you said, I mean, this is gonna be a overview 'cause we could do honestly for shows on the history of pot. There's quite a a rabbit hole. We could go down here. Yeah. We gotta avoid it. Yeah. But we're we're we'll give you historical overview have that. Sure. So like, I said. What's been cultivated for eighty five hundred years, and I also said that it's mostly been appreciated. Most of the time for two reasons one it is an industrial. It was until the rise of this. Thanks, a major industrial fiber hemp. Sure. And then Secondly, it was a or it still is a medicinal herb. Yeah. That kind of spills over into recreational uses well so in the twentieth century in China, it looks like it was probably used medicinally. Yeah. And not recreationally, but they're definitely records written records of the cultivation of cannabis. Well, yeah. Guy named shin knowing who is an emperor Bose also China's first physician wrote about how Ma that's what they call pop back. Then in China was good for the union the Yang both of them. Right. Which is actually as we'll see. That's a pretty astute observation early on. Because what he's talking about is balance or home stasis? Yeah. Which definitely affects. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. They have found a mummy at three thousand year old gypsum mummy and looked into this, and it it contained quite a few drugs. But it definitely contained THC. So the Egyptian were getting down AB medicinally who knows in a thousand one Arabian nights. It makes an appearance called bang Chilean g Sindbad apparently loves the stuff, but supposedly his hash mixed with opium. Which is way more hardcore than what we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. So they think it originated perhaps in India and north of the Himalayas is their best guess. Yeah. They they really have no idea. Yeah. Actually, there's a lot of debate still over whether there's more than one. Type of plant. We mean. So there's cannabis Indika. Yeah. Cannabis sativa other different. There's another one called cannabis root route or Alice Rosalie, and there's there's an ongoing debate among botanists over whether they're all actually just a different like varieties of the same plant, right? Or if they really are different species of plants in the same family. Oh, interesting. Yeah. But I think the con- the current common wisdom is that there's at least two cannabis sativa and cannabis Indika. Yeah. We may as well. Get into that a little bit. The Indika is the planet selfish shorter in fatter and better suited for indoor growing and the sativa is taller can get really tall like twenty five feet. Yeah. And it's been Lear. Yeah. In thinner, although I think for cultivation, I don't think. Even though it's grown outdoors. I don't think they're going to twenty five foot plants. No, I would imagine the helicopters. Can't see him a lot more easily. Yeah. And the indicate is known for more of a a body high, quote, unquote couch. Locked. Yeah mellow. Yeah. And the sativa is more known for more, energetic and cerebral and creative more of a brain high. Right. And then conversely, one can make you more paranoid. One can make you drool -i. Yeah. In typically these days, if you are a recreational or medicinal user, you're probably getting some sort of hybrid strain. Good point. And actually, some of the strains those hybrid strains are have some of the best names like green crack as a pretty good name. Yeah. Forty seven white widow white where is actually a pure strain. Isn't it of Indika? I'm not sure I think it is. Yeah. Maui wowie. The names. Are they're pretty funny. They've definitely got better from the seventies like Maui. Wow. We. Yeah. That sounds very lapping. Yeah. So should we talk about who? Should we talk a little bit about it's history in this country in the United States? Yeah. So I think we should get that. Because as I said, Chuck when you look back on pot all of these years, and it's how it was used. It was generally like appreciated used medicinally use recreationally, not vilified. It wasn't until it hit North America that it really started to become vilified yet. Well, it had a good run here to in the states for a couple of hundred years. It was hemp was grown in cultivated and widely used some people say, it's you know, the most versatile plant on earth as far as the different uses. You can get out of it. And it was in sixteen nineteen Virginia simile assembly. They even said that you have to grow hemp. If you're a former in Virginia, so not only was it encouraged. It was actually law in Virginia at least well, so I had had a good run. Until the early nineteen hundreds of nineteen twenties. Well, what's what's interesting is back in his time. You remember that part in days to confused where the the the biggest donor of the whole group is talking about George Washington. Like, oh, yeah. Like planning hamp all day, then comes home and smokes, a big bowl of Martha ready. It's not clear whether or not any of them were smoking pot in entirely possible that they weren't sure. Because the idea of smoking pot was lost to the ages for a very long time. Yeah. The Greeks actually grew marijuana, but they didn't smoke it. They just use the first fibers, right? And it almost appears like they had no idea you could smoke it. And it was psychoactive. So it's possible that the our forefathers didn't smoke pot. Yeah. And they were just growing it for industrial uses in. Meanwhile, native Americans were like, you guys are crazy. Rope. It rope is nice. But you know, you can be both. That's right in the early nineteen hundreds the Mexican revolution nineteen ten. This is one of the big turning points because a lot of Mexican immigrants came to the US. And they were like, hey, you know, you can smoke this stuff. Right. It's pretty nice and because Mexican immigrants had sort of looked down upon all of a sudden pot was looked down upon really Mexican immigrants were looked down upon somewhere in the US history. Yeah. The the whole thing about pot being vilified, or I guess there is a moral panic, basically is what they call it that erupted around it. Yeah. In a lot of it was based in racism toward Mexican Americans or Mexican immigrants. Yeah. In the nineteen thirties, especially in the depression. They were sort of had a bad name because you know, they're immigrants in this country where Americans and we're under oppression. And we want the work and kind of a lot of the same arguments. Here these days, right? But the association with pot was definitely a part of it. Definitely was. But also read this this NPR blog on code switch about this very topic. And they were saying like, yes, there's a lot of racism that led to the criminalization of pot. Yeah. But Mexico was twenty years ahead of the US in criminalizing pot as well. So you can't just say, well, it was just Americans disdain or dislike or distrust of Mexicans right? It was you know, it's more complex than that. And the this guy was saying that really you can conclude there is a fear of what this drug did. Right. And the reason why there's a fear of what the drug did was because. The newspaper reports at the time head people like killing entire families. Yeah. And like wandering around the streets like with somebody's head right covered in blood because they just smoked a joint, and they were really trying to unpack this like why would that happen? Did it happen? We're all of just overblown reports. The the fact was when you picked up the Los Angeles Times of the New York Times. Yeah. There were front page stories about this. And they were like Brown skinned Mexican kills white family of eight on marijuana cigarette. Yeah. And that's why in actually the word marijuana was kind of used as a derogatory term to kind of Mexican affi- cannabis, which is what it had been called prior to that. Yeah. Did not know that a muff. My soapbox look at you teaching me, we'll movies like Reefer madness definitely didn't help in nineteen thirty six the famous propaganda movie from French director Louis Gaz near it's you know, require. Viewing for any college student. Yeah. It's it's not very goodness enjoyable, but it is kind of funny showing the the refried ex, you know, driven to insanity by the marijuana cigarettes and somebody gets murdered right? I don't think someone murder somebody else because they smoked pot and then in nineteen thirty seven year after Reefer madness congress packs past the marijuana tax act, and this is basically where the tide turn, and it was essentially criminalised because it called for restricting possession. Just two individuals who paid attacks which is like a thousand dollars for medical or industrial use. Right. So in other words, if you're just, you know. Sammy pothead you can't live that way anymore in this country. You basically have to show set up a shell organization pay the thousand dollar tax, and then you bail the import marijuana. But if you're caught with it smoking it you'd still get busted. Yeah. It was a big deal when that happened, and you can kind of lay all of this at the feet of one guy. Moral crusader who ran the Federal Bureau of narcotics in the thirties, while the thirties until the sixties his name was Harry and Slinger, and he was the one who really kind of started this crusade against pot and got the government to turn against to get the press to turn against it and got the marijuana tax act passed. Yeah. But even while this guy's like sitting there shouting like all marijuana's going to kill us all the horrible drug. And it's it's as bad as it gets. There were studies independent studies that were funded by the government that were showing like. You guys are kind of overstating this a little bit. Yeah. In nineteen forty four mayor LaGuardia of New York issued a report that basically said that it doesn't induce violence insanity or sex crimes. Yeah. And he was moreover former himself member after the Minsk brothers burlesque episode. Yeah. So it's not like he was just some big pot hood like he was a moral reformer himself, and he's still found this report. Yeah. That's good point that led to this the sentencing laws over time have kind of waffled back and forth. Yeah. In the fifties. They were pretty strict because of the bogs act in the narcotics control act. And that's when they started setting mandatory minimums for basically any drug, but including marijuana, of course. Yeah. Like you go to prison for a long time. If you got caught with pot. Yeah. To ten years for a first first time offender and the nineteen fifties. Getting caught with pot. Yeah. That's it any any amount. Right. Uh-huh. And in the sixties things relaxed a little bit in every way, you can imagine in this country, and, you know, president Kennedy in in LBJ issued reports that found kind of the same thing as they found out in the forties doesn't induce violence. And these reports said it didn't wasn't a gateway drug either. Yeah. In the nineteen sixties which is still up for debate. Really? Yeah. I never been definitively now because you read every other report you read, it's going to say something a little different. Yeah. About what the gateway drug is. And plus I think defining what makes a gateway drug to has never been fully established. Yeah. You can't how can you test something scientifically, if it's you don't have defined, you know. Yeah. And the that led the nineteen sixties led to a repeal of a lot of the mandatory minimums in the seventies. But then of course, Ronald Reagan in the nineteen eighties. Roll out of that stuff back and Nixon to he fought that tooth and nail. Like, even though the tide in the country was turning one way. Nixon was like, Nope. We're going to keep pot as a legal as possible. And as a matter of fact, we're gonna put it on the same level as heroin and cocaine. Yeah. In during the Nixon administration, the the commission bipartisan commission found again that it should be decriminalized. Nixon was just like, well, I don't want to hear that. Sorry. I'm gonna make up my mind about I'm the president, exactly. Yeah. So like you said the Reagan era brought it back but not brought back. No problem Beckett. The any kind of anti-government sentiment toward pot itself was redoubled in the eighties under the Reagan administration to say no mandatory minimums were or mandatory sentences were reenacted in nineteen eighty six. Thanks to the anti drug abuse act. If you got caught with a hundred marijuana plants, you got the same jail time as if you were caught with one hundred grams of heroin. That's interesting plants grams, it's sort of apples to oranges comparison plants versus heroin zombies. I know at one point this is sort of off topic topic. But I don't know if they've changed it. But at one point they were sentencing LSD users by the weight. Right. And wasn't that the deal was like they would like if you were LSD dealer, and you had twenty sheets of acid. They would weigh it. And they were like, well, wait a minute. He can't way the paper. That's like weighing the suitcase side cocaine comes right? Yeah. And I think that's still saying though, isn't it? I don't know. But I do know what you're talking about an apparently like if they would if you had it mixed in with liquid or something like diluted into liquid. They take the weight of all the liquid right rather than the proportion of it. Yeah. I don't know could be we could be like showing our gullibility for legend or not. But I know that's the case. I don't know if it still is. But I know it definitely was definitely was. Yeah. Because I saw like an HBO special on. Okay. LSD dealers, basically serving life sentences for dealing acid, right alongside murderers, rapists. Yeah. Yeah. Took into that. And people who are caught with pot in the thirties. That's right. So part these days cost-wise varies a lot depending on quality, obviously. Ranges? I love that in this article. It says a dollar seventy seven to seventeen dollars and sixty six cents per gram like one gram of marijuana, please. Yeah. That's interesting. But these days, you can expect to pay for you know, what people consider good marijuana about one hundred twenty dollars for a quarterback, which is a quarter of an ounce, right? Which is seven grams. Right. Because there's twenty eight grams in the nail. Yeah. I think between southern grams. But it depends on if the dealer like exactly, yeah. But that's generally, how it breaks down as you know, you have it by the pound, which is you know, the pot. Dealer. I guess and then they break it down into answers and then two quarterbacks and dime bags and whatever people can afford. I guess well, it's funny because in the state of the country right now like you can take dealer dispensary in basically flip them in interchange. Them in matter what you're talking about. Virtually the sentence is going to remain unchanged. Yesica, you know, because the marijuana dispensaries are following like, basically, the same format that marijuana dealers in this country have for decades pricing, and yeah, the pricing the the way it sold the by weight our Scher like I still by like like quarters and half ounces in Alice's instead, which makes sense, but they're also getting a lot of people who are growing indoors in their basement. And it's like now they have licenses for all this. But it's basically like all the people who were doing it illegally before or some of the people who are doing illegally before right in applied for licences another doing the same thing. But they just have like a a licensed to do it in a frame on their wall. Yeah. In dispensaries, you're gonna find a lot of other things like edibles. Yeah. And they even have now cannabis strips like, you know, the little listerine breath strips. Oh, yeah. They have little cannabis strips. It's just a little edible strip of concentrated cannabis. And I guess you put it under your tongue, and that's better for your lungs out. Imagine if you're a oh, yeah. Cancer patient or something. Yeah. And we'll talk about that a little bit. Let's let's talk about the planet, self Chuck. Okay. Maybe the most recognizable plant that leafy. No. Which is here's a little fact for you the botanical description of the way that marijuana leaves a ranged is groovy. Called Paul mainly like a the palm of a hand with five fingers outstretched. Yeah. That's the pot leaf. That's you you can find unlike in baseball caps stations. And the like, you said the planet self depending on which variety, it is either very taller kinda tall, depending on whether it's trimmed or not right? And the the buds or whatever that are smoked are actually the flowers of the plants the flowers of the female, which apparently are that sense of mea. So the definition of the word sense of mea are female flowers that have reached maturity without being pollinated. I can't hear that word without thinking of Caddyshack. I don't remember that Bill Murray little California since Amir. Yeah. So that's what that means. Yes, interested the the term sent to me it means. So basically unless you're like fourteen if you're smoking pot. You're smoking sense of mea. Okay. So yes, the term sense of mea means pot. Okay. The part that smoked although the male flowers do have some THC just far far less female than female. Yeah. As cultivator males are not what you want. In fact, males can can disturb the cycle of the female plants. So the goal of the cultivators to get the mail out of there as quickly as it can be identified, basically. Yeah. And we actually good moniker for pot because it spreads very easily. There Paulin is like twenty four microns which apparently is very easily win born and goes, very great distances. Yeah, there's very few obstacles to pollenisation. So if you have female plants, and you have what you suspect to be a male plan. Anyway. Nearby. You wanna Garrett of the male plant, right? And until the officer. The they must've just blown over here and taking roots. A hundred hundred plants in my backyard game for my neighbor pollens twenty four microns come on. Yeah. He says he says tell your story to the judge, my friend, right? There are about say, they're hermaphroditic plants hermaphroditic plants. Oh, yeah. That feature both male and female flowers as probably mess. Yeah. I think maybe that's a good. I think it's like a lot of hybrid ones are hermaphroditic. Okay. Yeah. Well, there are hundreds of chemicals in the marijuana plant. One hundred nine of which are a cab annoyed 's about thirty three are cancer causing and we'll we'll get to that stuff later too. But ironically, they also are cancer killing some of them. It is an unplanned, but we're gonna get all that stuff too. Right. Okay. And your THC is really the main psychoactive ingredient, what's the long name for it. Delta nine tetrahydrocannabinol that is THC that is what? The the high that you're seeking it lies within that chemical. Yeah. And actually, you can point to the part of the plant where it is if you've ever seen a marijuana plant, and it has kind of this hazy a period appearance from far away, and you get up close, and you realize that Hayes is actually made up of a bunch of little clear sticky. Protrusion coming off the leaves those are called try combs. And that is where the THC is stored trite in depending on the plant and the variety and how it's grown, and when it's harvested in the genetics and how you process it. It's that's all going to affect the THC level. And as cultivator your goal is to have the THC level as high as you can get it. Yeah. There is up for debate as well. From what I've seen there. Apparently, they're just going higher and higher and higher as far as THC content goes, and there's a lot of recreational pot users and medicinal pot users. So you're saying like too much to. Has a bit about how when he was in the in the seventies smoke like a whole joint and be like, totally Meller cool. Now, he's saying it takes like one hit. And you go totally insane in. Apparently there is like a point where it's just like too much. Well, Louis C K can afford better these days now. But you're right. It all depends on the the end user, you know, what they're into sure. But generally speaking, the cultivator wants to deliver the most bang for the buck. You would think so sure so Chuck let's figuratively. Smokes pot and follow it through the body. Okay. Okay. Oh, you know, what we probably shouldn't do this our selves. No, we we like our jobs. Exactly. Yeah. We might be fired for even figuratively smoking pot. Well, yeah. And who wants to? Let's let's get how about that scruffy. Looking guy farmer? Ted. Yeah. He's he's look at him. He's game. So a lot of people don't know this. But we have a friend named farmer. Ted who has the very strange characteristic of having entirely translucent skin. He's kind of like the invisible man or something like that. Yeah. And what better person than to follow the trail of THC in the human body? You can actually see. Yeah. Because the rest of his organs or anything aren't translucent. It's just a skin and thank you for coming in Ted. So Ted is going to smoke a joint marijuana cigarette. Yes. And he's going to smoke. What is a typical marijuana cigarette. Approximately five hundred milligrams of marijuana which translates to roughly I don't know. Maybe. Ten milligrams of THC. Okay. So he's going to take a lighter and take it to the end of this joint making air quotes here because it's that's vernacular, and the THC is going to be burned and carried into his lungs. So former Ted is kinda high already. Yeah. The the THC in the smoke is carried to the Evie ally in the lungs and the Evie allies where gas exchange occurs. It's where your oxygen deprived blood comes to get a refill of oxygen replenished. And since there's THC smoke present in that oxygen in the lungs the teach going to hitch a ride into the bloodstream and travel through the body. Yeah. It's just takes seconds. Yeah. One of the places it's going to go is the brain. And when it hits the brain it starts doing some pretty funky stuff. That's right. We could ask former Ted how he's feeling right now. And he'll probably say, yeah, he can't talk. He might say that my eyes dilating and the color. Are a lot more vivid yet, I'll be hungry soon. I'll be hungry soon. My other senses are enhanced as well. But hold on. I'm starting to feel a paranoid. Yes. Let's let's get into this. Let's let's get into how pot affects the brain. Because it is pretty gosh darn interesting. If you ask me. Yeah. And and this is how the physiological effects the end user might have different reactions. It did make everyone paranoid necessarily know. And I really looked into it hard to find out. Why some people are paranoid people? Don't part of it is it. Well, there's two things one. And I didn't find anything definitive which I'm sad about. But won the two things. I came up with this one. It depends on the pot -ture. If there is a difference between Indika and sativa the prevailing wisdom is that. If you smoke indicate you're going to be less likely to be paranoid. Okay. The other reason is it would depend probably on the existing brain chemistry of the user. My brain chemistry is not the same as yours. Right. And neither one of ours is the same as Jerry. So of course, when we introduce a psychoactive chemical into that chemistry. It's going to affect. Differently. Yeah. So that's what I came up with basically, I wonder if one of the reasons Indicas less likely is because that's the couch bound when in you're less likely to be paranoid sitting on your couch rather than the more active when like smoking in going to the renaissance festival where you'd be freaked out sober. Where you'd meet John stricklin, and he would miss at the found out your stunt. Anyway. I'm curious. Yeah. It makes sense. I've also found there's recent research that shows the the canals. Yes, there's a precursor chemical them. That's called the canal diabolic acid CBD, right and CBD has been found that to actually counteract the schizoid effects of pot like the stuff that makes you paranoid that symptom. If you get if you smoke pot that has a higher CBD to t h c ratio. Maybe it's even or something like that the CBD's going to cut down on the schizophrenic symptoms while leaving the rest of the stuff intact. Oh, interesting. And that weird. So I wonder if if indicated just by nature has a higher CBD content. Yeah. Maybe so. Yeah. There are people that know this. Okay. So back in the sixties. There was a researcher has name escapes me who started looking into what the heck made pot. Make you loco right, right. Any found THC so THC was isolated in the sixties and from that they reverse engineered how teach the affected the brain in effectively discovered an entire system that we didn't know existed. Thanks to pot research. It's called the Indo cannabinoid system. And it's a very ancient system that's found in everything from C squirts to every vertebrate on the planet and sea squirt cease squirts, very primitive animals all the way up to us. Well, I know that I didn't quite get the Indo cannabinoid parts of ticket away. Okay. So I know work backwards. Yes. That's a very important point. So you know, when like when we do anything from our brain says grab coffee mug right to to. To us thinking about how we're feeling at any given point all of that is based on the transmission among neurons, right? Yeah. We've covered that a lot. Yeah. The neuro transmitters kind of covered that gap between the neurons deliver the message, right? And then depending on where the the neuro transmitter is, and what chemical is come across the different things happen, right? Well, the Endo cabinet system is this kind of dimmer switch that is around all neurons that works backward to kind of say, well, let's not pump those neuro chemicals out as frequently or in as much abundance. Right. And the whole point of the Indo can have annoyed system is to maintain homies stasis or good for your yin good for Yang's. Right. And that we're yeah. Okay. So when you smoke pot, your Endo Connecticut system, which has receptors all throughout the body their CB, two receptors, which are mainly associated with your immune system. Yeah. And then see? E one receptors throughout the brain. And when you smoke pot the canal the Fido cab annoyed, which is THC in this case, go into these reasons, your brain and stick to your brain to your Endo, cannabinoid receptors. Yeah. They basically just kinda hijack the system. So these the systems that the end can receptors are meant to regulate are no longer being regulated by our bodies, Endo Connecticut's. They're being hijacked by THC. Yeah. Which is not subject to our bodies whims. And and all that we just basically have to ride that snake out until it's over. So you end up with all these different weirdo symptoms that you normally wouldn't have which is basically the result of your in new Connecticut system going haywire. Because it's been hijacked by THC. Right. So like your hippocampus. Yes. We've talked about that. That's good for learning. Yeah. It is. And when the Endo can Evernote receptors are full of THC, you're not learning or making memories as well as normal. Yeah. We're talking short term memory deaf. Impairs that. And that's why you've ever hung out with a bunch of potheads you'll hear the phrase. What are we talking about? Yeah. Because it's going to affect the hippocampus in that way forming memories. It's also gonna affect your coordination, which is Sara bellum. So you may be a little clumsier. And then you have the basil ganglia in that director unconscious muscle movements. Yeah. So the reason pharma Ted is paranoid. He doesn't like that plant looking at him the way it is. He's paranoid because his basil. Medial amid Dula has been affected. It's Endo cabinet receptors have been hijacked by THC. And it's this region of the brain where we learn to fear dangerous situations farmer. Ted is learning to fear things. He normally wouldn't fear right because the Endo can ever needs that the body normally makes not operating the way that they're supposed to be. So he's now afraid of that plant now, isn't that this the Indo can have annoyance the same system that they have finally pinpointed the munchies. Yeah. Activates the munchies. Yeah. In your hypothetical Mus your grill in production number grill. And it's that chemical that makes you feel hungry. So you go eat your grill in production and absorption is mediated by and no cab noise in the hypothalamus which gets hijacked by THC, which suddenly all food looks irresistible. Yeah. In which is why it is prescribed for people going through chemotherapy and other things because they lose their appetite lose a lot of weight, and aside from helping the stem, nausea, also will stimulate the appetite. Yeah. So that's the Endo connive annoyed system. And that is how pot affects it feel like a Tida. Yeah. We left out the biggest part, it also causes a release and dopamine, which is what makes you sure you any euphoric feeling comes from that release of dopamine. But it's also possible that any paranoia or the schizoid symptoms that come along with it. Yeah. Are from too much dope. Mean bright? So that to to high a release of dopamine can lead to feelings of paranoia anxiety. Yeah. And these feelings the effect of THC period is going to last a couple of hours depending on obviously how good the pot is. And how much you smoked right? But the chemicals are going to be in your body a lot longer than that with the terminal half life of twenty hours to ten days after you've smoked it. So if you get you know, if you're one of the how many percentage of companies drug tests fifty seven percent. Yeah. Fifty something fifty three maybe. Yeah. Depending on your weight and how much he smoked on how long you smoked Fifty-seven. Right. You're gonna either pass that drug test here not it can stain your body for you know, weeks though. Yeah. Yeah. There's no way to tell because it depends on you your metabolism and the pot yet potency of the pot to but. Yeah, your body breaks down into five metabolites and they test for all five G just using a basic immuno assay or they an antibody to your urine. 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So it doesn't it's the effects aren't quite as. Announced but they last longer, and there's an additional weirdo thing to it. Well, it's going to take longer but last longer and the effects of. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But there's also the extra psychoactive chemical it's producing liver. That's not really produce. When you smoke it. Yeah. And that weird. It is weird. And it's also the reason why new young travellers to Amsterdam you wanna try their first pot, brownie. They don't think it's working try another one. And this is the ones you see like sitting alongside the canal like rocking themselves. Yes. Because it takes a little while when you when you ingest it via smoke, it's almost instantaneous when you ingest it by eating it. It's going to take a lot longer. That's right. So I guess we should talk a little bit about. Whether or not it's a dick because that's another raging debate for years and years, how a dicta- this pot. They're all kinds of studies that contradict one another. And I think it's one of these things that probably comes down to the person somewhat. Yeah. If you had that addictive personality, but they do see effects of pot cessation your ability, anxiety, depression, maybe sleeplessness and insomnia restlessness. And that's if you quit the pot after having been a user. And it's you know, psychologically addictive like any drug you're going to crave. It if you want it sure apparently can have an impact on your levels of Zion de like you might not feel anxious when you're stone. But you could feel anxious when you're not stone. So you get sto more often right which while not necessarily a classic addiction because the addiction model follows the strictly the limbic system, right and pie think activates somewhat. But it's not really acting specifically on as acting more on the Endo canal system. Right, right. So indirectly it might be hitting the limbic system. But it's not following that classic addiction route. But at the very least that's bitchy if you need to smoke something to get back to normal. That's a habit in a bad one because you have a crutch there. Yeah. Unless you're willing Elson, and then you'll just like what what's the problem? You just keep smoking it a love across. What are some? Well, I guess we can talk about some of the the medicinal uses. We did talk about cancer and aids patients to stimulate appetite. The old glaucoma card is a big win to play. Yeah. You're planning for your medical marijuana guard, it relieves I pressure couldn't find how it does that. Yeah. But it's been that's one of the earliest uses of. He'll you remember remember when this first started to hit. Past legal medicinal marijuana in nineteen Ninety-six. It was almost all glaucoma at the time, which it seemed like everybody was like you are so faking right glaucoma you need PA for glaucoma. And then it just became more and more established fact. Yeah. Became associated with helping more and more maladies. And of course, if you go to get your card and you go to the dispensary. They have a long list of things that can help right. Basically anything you can think of. Yes, they'll they'll put on their list as long as you have a prescription card think they're cool with. Well. No that's to get the card. Oh, got you. Like, the the, you know, the doctor. Yeah. Twenty Dr whereas berkinstocks. Yeah. You can probably get him additional marijuana card, but don't see him for anything else. It can help with epileptic seizures in fact here in Georgia. That's been on the table do to famous story of boy here in Georgia who seizures were like massively cut down by taking a marijuana oil, which has no THC like the kids not getting high. Basically, it doesn't psychoactive properties in Georgia is believe it or not trying to speed through. I know it didn't go through initially a few weeks ago. Just because I think they didn't have time to get it through. Right. But there seems to be support for it. But just for very surprising. Yeah. Just for the marijuana oil, though, not like dispensaries or anything like that. Yeah. Well, I mean could be the beginning of it or could be a sea change in how Georgia state, you know, legalize marijuana. I'd be surprised, but I'm wondering if it's change like okay this medicinal marijuana oil works. We'll just we can legalize that. And that's it. Right. I'll be like the model for other states. Oh, oh, see what you mean? And then MS multiple sclerosis decreases muscle spasms. And I've seen this firsthand with good friend really helps him out in monta Williams's famously come out as an MS sufferer who is a longtime advocate using marijuana. Well, it makes sense again. I mean, if you're having muscle spasms, perhaps you're in no can have annoyed system is not functioning correctly, and the THC goes in and actually supplements it. Yeah. And also, remember I said that fights cancer. If you're going to cancer dot goven type cannabis and medicinal cannabis. I think it brings up basically a laundry list of all of the ways that marijuana helps. And it's been found to fight to destroy cancer cells. Oh, well, THC goes in and destroy cancer cells in the liver. Apparently, it's been shown to destroy cancer breast cancer cells like not helps you feel better when you have candidate right can actually cure cancer. While in some cases, it was a carcinoma in the liver that it was shown to be able to cure. It's definitely worth checking out to. That's awesome. And it also alleviates pain and inflammation associated with injury or disease the way it does that is what the other can recess receptors the CB two receptors in the body are related to the immune system. So it goes in and messes with those. Says hey, everybody calm down. Let's stop being so inflamed. Well, that's yeah. I guess that's why it's prescribed a lot for arthritic conditions these days. Yeah. That would make sense. Yeah. Rheumatoid arthritis wiscon-. Yeah. I don't know what that what the differences between rheumatoid regular arthritis should do arthritis. How about that? It is still despite all the medical research. It is still scheduled as a or classified as a schedule one substance, which is the most dangerous drugs that currently have no accepted medical use in a high potential for abuse. And there have been many pushes over the years to get it reclassified and not in the same group as heroin and cocaine ecstasy nuts, but that has not been successful as of yet. But I think that will probably happen at some point soon. It seems like it's going that way. But supposedly around the time normal was founded the national organization for the Religa Liz -ation marijuana. Legislation. Right. I'm pretty sure it's quite a mouthful I went to everybody normal festivals east. Evan Piedmont park in the nineties, the normal rally hash bash. Yeah, I saw the black Crowes there once great. So. But yeah, normal is found in the seventies at a time. When it looked like I mean Carter was president willy Nelson had smoked join on the White House roof. Yeah. Like, it was the time for, you know, pot to be decriminalized in everybody thought like it's going to happen. It's happening. It's happening. Yeah. And apparently. Nope. It didn't happen pull back from the brink. So it's entirely possible that what looks right now to be the wind of change that is very much sweeping through the country. Yeah. Could could be stopped baffled. I guess so it's the the fat lady has not song yet. Well, I think the first step toward a federal in the difference. Here is you know, federal laws versus state laws. It's still federally not accepted. But in states like core. Colorado and Washington, and then how many states have medical like eleven twenty or twenty. Yeah. Okay. If anything's gonna happen federally it's gotta be reclassified away from schedule one. I right. So until that happens, you're probably not going to see any federal laws enacted. No or repealed, and we should say the the mood of the country right now is about split a little bit in favor toward pot pro pot. Yes. So like in Washington and Colorado both votes were like fifty five forty four fifty five forty three something like that. Yeah. And a CBS poll from two thousand fourteen I think in January found about the same fifty five percent of Americans favor legalizing pot opposed to like, I think forty four forty three percent. Yes. So it's it's clearly moved out of, you know, just the hippie Sooners at the normal rally into people supporting that kind. Legislation that don't even use marijuana because there is a groundswell of support that, hey, it's not a schedule wonder, it's not a schedule. One drug alcohol is more destructive to to your life and your body, and why are you gonna outlaw this plant in put people in prison? With a war on pot that isn't working, right? It's like wasting money, whereas we could tax it and raise money. So there's there's been a big title shift in the past decade really in the past twenty years, but in the past ten. Like if you'd asked me ten years ago, there will be recreational use allowed in any state. I would have said probably not right. But here we are with Washington, Colorado. Here we are like where you can grow. It. You can buy it. And have I don't know how much but thank you allowed to have a certain small amount, right. Yeah. Can't drive around ten pounds in your trunk or anything. I don't know how much you can it's it's definitely more than just like a small amount. But you and you can just literally go to the store and buy pot. There's actually an awesome New Yorker article called buzzkill from late last year. And it's about this economists that Washington state hired to basically create the framework for their legal pot industry economic model. Yeah. And like on a macroeconomic level in a micro economic levels. Like, we're whether you like it or not you're going to be competing with dealers, still sure. And so you wanna make your tax money, but you don't wanna make so much that you price yourself out of the market. And the black market stays open. You want to get rid of the black market by basically competing against them competing amount of business. Right. And there's this all these different factors at this guy was kind of laying out, and it was really interesting. Both kill not to check that out. Yeah. Time to get the post office. No, you don't let so much. No one does Chuck. We love the post office with love the postal service, but going to the post office kind of time suck. That's right everyone. That's why you need stamps dot com. 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There's a debate that I don't quite understand about the potency of marijuana in like the sixties and seventies versus today. The debate is that pot is much more potent than it was in the sixties and seventies. And first of all they didn't they didn't test a wide variety of marijuana strains in the sixties and seventies. Right. It was like stems and seeds Mexican graduate. Yeah. So that's the only way you can tell a true test potency is to study a wide variety. They didn't they never did that they didn't test the Maui wowie. They never did that in sixteen seventy s and you can't go back in a time machine. So what's the point in debating the pot today is is how it is? It is. And basically, the the best you could hope to do is like have Dennis hopper smokes pot and be like and he can be like dead hoppers dead dude since win. Yeah. I just saw him on like an insurance commercial. Years ago. No that. Yeah. That's it. Sorry state of Dennis hopper. Get Willie Nelson though. Peter fonda. Yeah. He's alive. Okay. So you have Peter Fonda tell you he can tell you. There's plenty of people who could say the point is that is largely irrelevant because we're not dealing with creating pop policy based on the nineteen sixties. Right. We're dealing with pop policy today. And we know very clearly that pot is more potent today than it was even a couple of decades ago, and we know that in part because something called the university of Mississippi potency monitoring project, basically, they get their hands on seized pot that the cops get their hands on. Yeah. They send some of the Mississippi and Mississippi tests for potency. And they said that between nineteen Ninety-three in two thousand eight the average the average amount of THC across all samples. Yeah. Rose from three point four percent to eight point eight percent from ninety three to two thousand eight and it's. Going up apparently now with the rise of dispensaries and the openly shared knowledge of how to, cultivate, and do you know, what you want to genetically select for it's up to like twenty five percent, supposedly. And I didn't see that figure disputed twenty five percent THC content. That's insane. That's that will drive you into can't imagine that if the average is eight point eight or was three point four nine hundred ninety three and is now up to twenty five percent. That's potent. Yeah. And that's I guess for the top of the line most expensive you can buy. Yeah. But I predict that there's going to be like kind of retro vintage pushback a return this show. Not necessarily that. But something that's like way more toned down. Or it'll be like marketed to people who like who don't want like that level of a high guess. Yeah. Like seventies weed. Yeah. Like all they have to market green leisure suit or something like that. Yeah. Boom success. Although I don't know if anybody would wanna go back to the seventies. Because I think it it really was very low potency comparatively speaking. Or should we cover some of the ways that it's smoked? Well, I already covered the joint right? Yes. That's what slim slim had the joint. I do know that slim happens to prefer the blunt. Oh, yeah. And that is a cigar that is sliced open and tobacco's taken out in generally mixed back in with some of the pot, and it's was right. Yeah. It's called a blunt. I didn't know that the tobacco is ever mixed back in it depends on I mean, you don't have to like a spliff is. Popular in Europe, that's with regular tobacco like drum. You know, whatever just any kind of loosely tobacco mixed in with with the pot. Yeah. I think the blunts usually they take most of the cigar tobacco out. I think you're probably right. And then you don't even need to buy cigar? Now, they have blunt rappers like, basically cigar rolling papers. Really? Yeah. And flavored wants to have heard of those interesting. You can have your just traditional pipe. If you go into any head shop, you're going to find a big variety of all sorts of handmade glass byps or member the brass phones with the the little kind of tie-dye plastic thing in the middle for holding because the brass would get so hot. Apparently, don't remember that. Do you remember that from the nineties like did you go to palooza yelling to lollapalooza? Well, then you saw those things. Okay. I remember the first time I smell pot. It was at a concert. Yeah. And. It was like thirteen and is such a foreign think I've talked about this on the shows in the world is at like, I've never seen anything like that my life someone burning a spare tires. Yeah. And then you've got the the Bong or water pipes and that uses water to to cool down the smoke. Right. And I remember that from the Scott Baeau after school, special stoned. Did you ever see that one? No, I saw zapped that was a regular movie, but he was growing pot and that one he was grown. It's cool. Yeah. In stone was one of the classic after school specials where he was a pothead that like ended up accidentally killing his brother or something like he went swimming and knocked him on the head with or a boat. He may not have died that he may have rescued him the the after school special that I remember most vividly is that the woman. Helen hunt took PCP. Oh, yeah. Jumped out the window or ever school. I mean, they scared the pants off of. Yeah. Which is the point in its Reagan was on the set like more. But I remember hearing the Bong he smoked out of the banks. Got bailed did and I heard that the bubbling sound and that was like, well, that's a weird sound. And then you heard it on the cypress hill album years later like, hey, Scott, bingo. And then of course, we've talked about the edibles and vaporizing, which is like all the rage these days. Yeah. And I imagine it just hit me the other day. I'll bet everyone who smokes pot uses e cigarettes as like little vaporizer one headers don't they some do. I would imagine. So. Yeah. In fact, you can buy like pre made cartridges like hash oil and things to stick in your little e cigarette and they saw those in Colorado. Stick that in your e cigarettes, but we should point out. And we say kids these days and teenagers, although marijuana use teenagers has escalated over the years. You can't pin it down to one demographic. I think you'd be surprised if everybody who smoked pot on a semi regular basis was outed about who. You would see I've heard stories from friends whose fathers were like CEO executives and they had cannabis clubs where all the other CEO's that they were friends with like grew their own specialty pot and traded at among each other. So the wide range of people use it, although the vast majority supposedly, I don't know vast majority, although according to polls or surveys, the vast majority are teenagers, followed by postings. Yeah. But in between nineteen ninety nine hundred ninety two. One thousand nine hundred nine marijuana use among teenagers doubled. Yeah. And you know, what I lay that almost exclusively? At least I at the feet of Dr dre and snoop Dogg. I'm I put it out there. Yes. With the chronic. Absolutely. Yeah. That was a great album nineteen Ninety-two. Yeah. I listen. I can when I hear that album. I think of streetfighter to edgy play a lot of that. Then we we we sit around and college listen to the chronic and play streetfighter too. Yeah. There's a good album. It was a great game. Never really played street fighter. They were really good. So I found the study here. I interject one thing. Okay. Have you seen the YouTube of Mike Tyson clips set to streetfighter sound effects? Pretty awesome from his one man show or no from his boxing career fits perfectly. He's like. One point to see that. So if you're smoking pot, it's obviously not going to be great for your lungs and your body because you're inhaling smoke in like we said earlier there's there thirty three cancer causing chemicals in marijuana, and it's going to deposit into your lungs just like cigarettes. And in fact, if you smoke equal amounts of marijuana in regular tobacco it's going to deposit about four times as much as regular tobacco. What's called the tar burden? Is it however was a large scale long-term study released recently by the university of Alabama at Birmingham, and they collected data from five thousand adults for more than twenty years, which these are always my favorite studies. You know? Yeah. 'cause you can tell stuff long-term, and they found that low to moderate use of pot is less harmful to your lungs than exposure to tobacco. And I think it's they measured air flow rate. Which is the speed which you can blow out air and then lung volume, which is the amount of air. You can hold in your lungs, and they found that with tobacco. There's a one to one relationship the more. You lose the more loss you have lung wise and with marijuana up to a certain rate it actually increased the airflow rate and their rationale was that a cigarette smoker like a moderate to heavy smoker smoking like, you know, twenty cigarettes a day. Sure. Whereas no one's going out there and smoking, you know, well, that's not true twenty twenty join today. Yeah. But it would be probably less than that. Because it's more concentrated. But you don't see people smoking five join today either unless they have right or willy Nelson, snoop Dogg snoop lion. Is he still on snoop blind? I think so I could see how would have an effect on your lungs those well, especially compared to cigarettes because like no one uses a filter on their joints. Well. Yeah. And they. You inhale deeper with marijuana. They need do with tobacco. So those are both factors. Yeah. But if you're smoking a pack a day, and you're smoking a lot of weed. You're not doing yourself any favors and the lung department. Yes. Even though it might help you fight cancer. It may give you cancer to begin with yet. Just use non psychoactive marijuana oil like they give a little kid. Yeah. Or marinol, although that psychoactive is it is the THC pill. Yeah. I remember they use it for like wasting disease, and yeah and to increase appetite, and that kind of stuff that just a mess with Indo cab annoyed system of people who need it. Right. You got anything else? No. This could have been a two parter. But will this could good overview is I hope everybody enjoyed it. Yeah. Learned a little something anything else. If you wanna learn more about marijuana a cannabis type either of those words into the search bar house to forks dot com, and let's see. 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SYSK Selects: How Dissociative Identity Disorder Works

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SYSK Selects: How Dissociative Identity Disorder Works

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Together, we'll learn more about the triumphs and failures that empower biweekly guest. You could find my new show on the free iheartradio. APP or wherever you listen to your podcast. Hi everybody. It's me Josh, and for this week's Y que selects chosen are episode on associative identity disorder formerly known as multiple personality disorder. It's one of those very satisfying episodes we get to go behind and undo all of the income things. Everybody assumes that they know about it. which is fun for us and I hope it's fun for you to listen and learn so away with the show. Welcome to stuff. You should know a production of I. Heart Radio have stuff works. Hey, welcome to the podcast I'm Josh. Clark shelter took Bryant and there's no. No one of my alters. No. He's his own dude. Walters! Okay! Do you know not that I know I think we've each seen a bit of an alter and each other. But that's just called us being jerks every now and then bad mood. Yeah? That's a little different yet. It's I was on. A forum about? A forum four people with associated identity disorder like. The from what I was reading you sometimes, you feel crowded. Some people have like felt like they have had altars like their whole life. As long as they've been around interesting Sometimes, they don't like one of the entries I saw was like. Does your alter have to have a name? And, it was like I don't right. Necessarily think of them as people and another person responded, and so that that's often like an early stage of the process, and then over time as they become more pronounced. Yeah, they end up adopting names or It is Super Moody. Or some other bad behavior that you say is this associative identity disorder and you give it a name or you don't your therapist does your or you might yeah. So it's controversial and we'll get to that, but. I guess we should start off by saying that another name for this more popular name. It's. Been, since nineteen ninety four D I. the original name was multiple personality disorder. Right some personality. Yeah, when I was reading this at first I. was like sounds an awful lot like a split personality. Right? That's ago it is it is they just renamed it and we'll see pretty soon. Why which is kind of a good move because? From what I can tell. It seems to be a real thing. That underwent a period of intense. Station abuse. So much so that now there's a lot of people who doubt that it's a real thing, right? But that there are still people out there who do suffer from it enough, so that psychiatry is said we need to change the name and then just focus on these people that really have this now. Did they change it? Because it had a stigma? Really, that was the only reason. Yeah, wow, yeah, there's this excellent article. on I o nine actually about I think it's called the myth of dissociate identity disorder. And the myth of multiple personality disorder. Thank you. They went old school and the lady who wrote it did a really good job of explaining the controversy around it, and also like the renewal of it as well like how it became renewed, but yeah, it was because it was. Basically exploited and fictionalized yeah by the psychiatric community. Yeah, a few notable people that we'll get all that. Oh, yeah, so I mean. Everybody has heard of multiple personality disorder. Thanks to the that period of exploitation from the fifties to the eighties. Yes, so you have probably a pretty good idea of the concept behind it of the disorder to begin with it's. A single person. Has a their normal their original What's called the host personality? Yeah and Sometimes especially under periods of acute psychosocial stress. May Be confronted with stress or something. They don't want to think about or talk about or whatever. Yeah, another one of their personalities will emerge. Yeah, and there generally tied to a trauma in early life that you may not even know about. Until you have therapy that out. Subconscious, right and They believe that for associated. Identity Sorta when it does come about from the result of trauma it comes about. As a coping mechanism to protect the mind, because the the host personality simply can't handle dealing with it, but there is some aspect of that person which is characterized through another personality that can handle it, and so that personality will come out to handle those periods where the per person is confronted with those memories. Yeah, and it can express itself in different ways depending on how severe disorder is, but generally if you've ever seen United States of Tara. You ever seen. No I know of it, but I've never seen an episode. Emily was way into it. Yeah, We're talking about completely new people at your behavior, your speech, you can be a different sex. You can have a different accent different species. You could feel like a dog. Technically I. think that's a little more rare. I would imagine yeah. and there is no timetable. That's It doesn't necessarily happen like right after trauma can come out years later all right in it just there's not an awareness, necessarily or that's a big one while there's not an awareness of. The host person doesn't have an awareness of the altars coming out, sometimes they do sometimes, but the authors usually are aware of the other altars, and the host right, and that was like it was in the United States of Tara Yeah. Sometimes the the altars which I don't know if we specifically senator not yet, but an alter is one of these non one of the other. Personalities within the host personality and there's there's usually at least two others there has to be to a host. Of other nor to total right but then it can go. People reported up to a hundred or beyond yeah. and. They can happen at the same time to yeah. That's another thing is. They can switch between them. pretty quickly and these periods where the altars emerge can take place over the course of days or weeks. Yeah, basically, if you if you if there's a period where the altars are really kind of coming out and fluidly changing. That's a period of severe stress that that person's undergoing. Maybe calling back that previous drama, maybe not it might just be triggered by stress right period, and you said also that some sometimes a lot of times the altars are aware of each other. There's also been plenty of documented cases where the altars don't like each other. Yes, sometimes, they don't the host or they don't have much respect for the host. Or like one of the other alters, they don't like how they deal with the host or deal with life or something like that. Yeah, which is Kinda Neat because that? Shows that these altars are aware that the. The effects or the actions of the other alter, or the host affects them yet like they are somehow they understand that part of the whole well you can be. A the host person that just the regular Josh is a non drinker. And you can have an alcoholic altar. Thanks the host is a square and like I can't wait to get my hands on a drink. Josh is like he's he won't go near the stuff right, but now that I'm randy. GonNa buy that twelve pack of Meister Bro Yeah, I'm very. I. Don't think I've ever had a simple Meister Bo. I had very long night with it about fifteen years ago. Okay, so you might have undergone something that's similar to dissociate of disorder. We should say also when they renamed associative disorder. Yeah, in one, thousand, nine, hundred four, they also took all of these components that used to make up multiple personality disorder and split them. Yeah, so another four Associated Disorders there is dissociate identity disorder, which is the most extreme. That's the one with alternate. Personalities coming out. And then there is Dissociate of Amnesia. Which is remembering our Amnesia podcast brought this one about. the where you just kind of forget. A certain experience. Yeah, like I had this terrible car crash I don't even remember it all right and it was associated. Amnesia yeah that that's that where it's like you don't remember the terrible thing that happened to you right There's also dissociate Fugu. Which is where you basically just leave your life. You walk away from Your Life, and maybe you seem like you're kind of out of it or whatever maybe you're under the influence of a different personality It's not just like. Not going to come home any longer. It's like you left your life in a different person relieving a different Life Nicholas days weeks months. Yeah, Chuck the fourth one is De personalization disorder. Right, which is like you. You're watching your life as if you're viewing a movie, you're detached. Yeah, and I think that one. I think these can work together because I know that if you have DVD, you definitely have moments of experiencing that one. Yeah, they. They like even if you're just the host, you might feel like you're just watching. Watching yourself yet. Instead of being yourself so associated of identity disorder diagnosis is almost has like split personalities fluid is switches between the different disorders and the one thing that they all have in common is that they all appear to be coping mechanisms to protect the mind from a trauma. Yeah, they're basically saying like I'm checking out in my life or I'm detaching myself from my life. or I'm just not going to remember that part of my life. Right or I am I can't handle my life, and this other personality can yeah, and it's not. It's not always just those things you know. Some of the symptoms are. Can Be Hallucinations. A lot of times it leads to substance, abuse or eating disorders Depression and anxiety and mood swings obviously. The and memory disturbances either short or long term. It's kind of one of the keys probably Yep. And apparently a person suffering from dissociate of identity. Just kind of like you said foggy. Yeah is a really good descriptive, if not life than their periods of. This condition flaring up I guess just their sense of place in times completely disrupted. Yeah, it sounds awful. Yeah, it is awful. Yeah, it is. Like I said I haven't seen the United States of Tara, but apparently gets a lot of comic effect out of yeah, of course, but if you have the social identity disorder, you'd likely have a really hard struggle in life. Yeah, and it shows some of that too I. Mean it's obviously for TV so there is some comedy with some of the authors, but it also shows the toll that it takes on the family and stuff like that. Yeah, so This has been around for a little while. We've understood it's symptoms since at least the late eighteenth century, yes, in some early scientists and researchers did a pretty good job considering how long ago it was nailing it Let's pretty like extravagant, yeah! Case. Doctors especially in the eighteen hundreds in seventeen hundreds were. Pretty excited about it, you know. so demonic possession in weird things like that back in the day, a lot of many of those cases may have been things like these disorders We just didn't know about him back then, so he just said someone was a hysteric or a witch right and they killed them. Or lock them up and some room. Yeah, but the first symptoms of ID came around in nineteen, seventeen, ninety one. is a long time ago. Yeah. Again Him Eberhardt Gaylon. No Yeah. Yeah. I think it's G. M. E.. L. I. N.. I would go silent GM that. Mellon. To spell it right? That's just a guess. Yeah well, he was the first one to describe the conditions he had A. Patient. Who is a middle class German woman? WHO had an alter? Who is a French Aristocrat? So he hypnotized her brought out the French Aristocrat, he animal magnetized her or mesmerized them. Yeah, and we did an episode on hypnosis. If you WANNA, go check that out. Yeah, it's very good one. but up until the late eighteen hundreds about eighteen eighty. They generally thought that what the deal was was that humans had a background consciousness and. that was actually greater than our regular primary consciousness, and when that background consciousness got sick. Then that's what brought out the Cray, right? That's what mental illness came from pretty much. Basically, it was a another way of putting the conscious in the sub-conscious. 'cause I, mean it still today. People believe the subconscious exists, and that it's the one that's really running the show really set still the belief that it's greater far as I know certainly among Freudians but yeah. I. Don't I don't think anyone's really discredited the idea of the subconscious right? Who knows well sure we're GONNA. Find out here. There about the same time as that was going on they started to tie with childhood trauma, which is pretty spot on, and then a French patient name leave. The. He's twenty two years old and he had. This is in the late eighteen hundreds had six personalities. Doctors just went crazy over this guy. Yeah, They didn't overlap with their memories. They thought that. They were just hypnotic variations of each other. They didn't understand though the time that they were. Actually completely separate personalities. They, thought, it was just all parts of Louis which if you, if you really kind of follow the timeline of The ID, Like they were. We've come back to that understanding of it. Yeah, I! Guess, you're right. You know that it's not like just different personalities. It's just different aspects of a single personality. That are given voice in a very literal like different voices in the literal way right. Yeah, that's a good point and then after that actually around the same time. Peer Ginette another French researcher. said now these are different personalities, and it comes from a trauma that they'd suffered right, so he was Kinda hit early on yeah I guess he laid the groundwork for understanding for the next century or so to come. Yeah, And then it wasn't until nineteen o five that somebody claimed cure. A person with associated identities order again back then known as multiple personality disorder. Yeah, a guy named Morton Prince morty prints not Martin. Prince Morton, prince attract He basically said that using hypnosis. He was able to coax out the. Very easily cokes out the altars. Yeah, because this is something like very early. On decision of identity disorder, hypnosis were basically just went hand in hand and alienist believed that they could use hypnosis to very easily draw out the alters which they could yeah, who am I talking to now exactly or I want to talk to? You know this personality, and then start confronting those personalities and convincing them to integrate into the host personality. And then once you had full successful integration. You had a reunited whole host person who is just one personality, yeah? The the the key is is that they're using hypnosis. Bright and hypnosis doesn't isn't real. Right. So like we have a huge clue here to a mystery of what exactly is going on, but before anybody really kind of faces that and confronts it. and starts to really truly treat associative identity disorder on its face. Yeah! or at its root, it treated it on its face. Psychiatry took a real like it just went all in double down on the most The sexiest craziest versions agree come up with yeah yeah. 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It was all about eve. That's right the three faces of Eve It was a book written in Nineteen fifty seven by two psychiatrists, and it was about a woman whose real name was Chris Costner sizemore. Who May or may not be related to Kevin Costner neither I, nor anybody on the Internet appears to know for sure Oh really it looked in nobody all our questions. I can't believe I didn't think the look that up yeah Costner. Like two of them. Kevin who Chris Okay so she Chris Costner. Sizemore went the name of Eva White or at least that's what they called her in the book other. Finally I didn't look up to see whether or not. She's related to Tom Sizemore. Just, Kevin Costner Yeah. I say Yvo item and Eve White. I might eve either way. It's white. And she was referred because she had headaches Amnesia and she worked with these two psychiatrists and a couple of alters emerged. And they wrote a book. While they. Supposedly. Her in reintegrated them back into one hosts person. But they wrote a book really quickly. That exploded on the scene. super-popular made them a ton of money There was a big blockbuster movie. it was just. It took over on not to cover, but it made a huge splash in the just. People's consciousness. About what this is like for the first time it was everyone you know like you said. It's kind of super sexy and interesting. Yeah and people were captivated by this new disease and this eve woman, who was really three women and one. Right, there was a eve. Peggy and I can't remember the other one, but one was like a good girl. the other one was like a bad girl or tough girl. And, then the host was just kind of a combination of the two. Yeah, she's still alive. She's still is well well. She so the this Dr Was it Penn-. Yeah Dr Thigpen who is treating her Corbett, thigpen and a colleague, a believe his name's Henny. Clinically. seriously. Ben So Pen was the one who wrote the like really went off the deep end with the book, and then sold the lady's life rights without her approval to Hollywood. And they made this story or this movie in like you said it was to Twentieth Century Fox. Yeah, it was it was it made a pretty big splash book and the movie and she came out and wrote a book called. I'm eve and said this guy's a total fraud like. Yes I do have multiple personalities right, but they didn't cure me. No yeah like this guy kept insisting I was cured, didn't work. He He shot me up for Sodium Pentothal, and like just use the power of suggestion and he's just a huckster. Basically, he was after the story but here I am left with Mike Condition Still Yeah and she had reportedly suffered. witnessed a bad accident in witness to deaths as a child, and that's where hers was born. So that set the stage for popular consciousness to kind of come to understand multiple personality disorder, which again that's what it was called at the time. and I mean it was all over the place like people just. People were just aware of whereas they hadn't been before. And it was Kinda like a one two punch. You had all about Eve in the fifties. And then about fifteen years later you had civil in civil was the one that blew this thing. Wide Open Sally Field. It just happened I guess to arrive at a time when America was really ready to Undergo or be party to psychological exploitation like big time. Yeah, and in nineteen seventy three is when civil the book came out written by. Oh. Let's see Flora Rita Schreiber about her treatment with Cornelia. Wilbur Yeah and about the treatment of the real name was Shirley Mason and the kept that a secret for many years civil yet to protect her her identity but eventually the name came out right well, she died in the ninety S. she died in ninety eight of breast cancer, but she had sixteen personalities, and like I, said Sally Field later in the movie. Big Hit I. Remember my mom reading the book. It was all the rage in the seventies. Yeah, it was huge huge, yeah, and She was actually an artist. Painter And like taught painting to I think, but they found. A one hundred and three paintings in her basement after she died and. She only signed the ones that she felt like she. The hosted painted like she wouldn't sign the ones that an altar painted so many of them are unsigned, but it's when you look at it. It's really like they're all different like like realize. Some are abstract summer impressionistic, right really all over the map and it's just I. Don't know kind of testament to like how real can be. Is there a website that hosts? All of them I don't know I. Think if you look just look you know hidden paintings of civil You can probably buy them would be what S, I B Y. L. is how they spelled that. No S why Bil Yeah. so symbols smash hit. It's based on the wave the first way that was brought about by all about eve and the public is just fully aware multiple personality disorders like these two are like the the cream of the crop. There are tons of made for TV movies and donahue episodes, and all sorts of just chatter about a personality disorder, and all of a sudden the cases go from about two hundred in the medical literature to suddenly eight thousand. After the movie civil comes out yeah. And it seems like. Chris Tryst has a patient with multiple personality disorder. And because of all this the sensationalism that went along with it fortunately a cadre of serious psychiatrists and psychologists who said wait a minute. What like what what what's going on here? Like movies aren't supposed to trigger outbreaks of disorders right? Some people explained it away by saying well. They're these people may have didn't know they like this. Yeah, they didn't have a name associated with the movie gave him the name, so they could go the doctor and speak to it and be treated right That is one explanation. Yeah, the problem is. The explanation that this was a real phenomenon, not like some sort of what are they called? Outbreak of mass hysteria a little bit. Yeah, And this is in no way. Diminish anybody. WHO's suffering mentally? In any way, yeah, yeah, of course I'm talking about this specific moment in history in the seventies in the West where there was an outbreak of multiple personality disorder, cases the idea that it was a real thing was definitely undermined by the civil case itself. which is. Like contemporaneous Lee, some psychiatrists said. This isn't a peer reviewed case history. We think this is basically all made up. The LID was blown off specifically by a single doctor in civil case. Dr Herbert Spiegel apparently treated Simple well. We'll call her civil. Yeah, while the Wilbur was out of town and he was like. You know what this doesn't add up. He said these case notes. Yeah, he said it seems like she's really highly suggest able it seems like you gave her sodium Pentothal and she's addicted to that. Yeah, and it seems like you might. Not Necessarily on purpose coached her into saying these things. Well, there's there was at least one instance where that fill in doctor who is treating Civil Civil said. That they were in a session in civil, said which which personality want me to be. Yeah, the not something you say when you can't control your altars now and then secondly there was in the case notes. There was a reference to note or a statement by civil to her doctor. Dr Wilbur, that said. I. Do not even have a double I am all of them. I've been lying in my pretense of them and Dr Wilbur noted that she wrote this up to avoidance behavior that Sybil was trying to avoid having to confront reintegrating her her personalities, and that's why she was saying that she was lying so when all of this kind of came out and was added up. And combined with this outbreak. Of Multiple personality disorder cases, yeah. In the late seventies early eighties, it was it was pretty damning, but then when it became obvious that satanic ritual abuse that moral panic that happened was following right on the heels of this I think the scientific community step back and said okay. America's is crazy. Well not in the mental health problem kind of way like just just crazy. Yeah I think I think a lot of that came about because the it started become a legal defense. and people started explaining way bad behaviors on altars right and claiming in court like it wasn't me. Right killed my wife. It was stony. Man Sounds like we're talking with the lifetime movie network here you know to this lifetime. Movie Network is all over these stories. Yeah, there's quite a few of those movies out there. Right so all this is going on. It becomes very apparent that this isn't a real thing. and fortunately for the people who actually do suffer from this disorder. psychiatry said all right. Let's get rid of the multiple personality disorder moniker and we're going to rename it. Of identity disorder. We're going to completely remove it from what just happened because that was. Pitiful yeah and we're. GonNa get down to basics. We're going to go back to the way. Of addressing this viewing this that The doctor who described Lewis va came up with all the way back in eighteen eighty eight that it's just variations of the host personality, not truly separate personalities, and that if we treat the underlying cause all or even just the Co, Morbid Symptoms Yeah Drug addiction alcoholism depression, the hallucinations. The mood swings anxiety. If we treat all this most likely, the depression identity disorders also going to be treated in kind, yeah I think another thing that lended itself to that to Dr started being sued Oh in the nineties by people saying, wait a minute. You've got me on the drugs. You're hypnotized me you're. Saying you're calling coercing me into. These altars! And so I'm going to sue you yeah I I'm glad you said that because it is worth revisiting, I don't think we really laid this at the feet of psychiatrists enough. There were people who saw this movie. who were feeling this way? Who may be felt like they? They had more than one personality. Yeah. And went to, and I think everyone feels that way a little bit sometimes right? You know, but if you're a highly suggestive person, yeah, and you see this movie and you start thinking like. Wow, maybe that's what I have and you're on. They inject you with Sodium Pentothal right. You go to a medical professional. That medical professional isn't supposed to be like. Yeah, yeah, you have that and and this one's named Tim right him is very aggressive personality. I can see TIM coming out now. And then all of a sudden, the person's like Tim like yes, that person's life has been altered probably for the negative. Because of a At the very least dubious medical expert, yeah, and yeah, so of course they were sued, and they should have been sued. It was a really dark spot in the history of psychiatry, which has a lot of dark spots on its history. Frankly yeah, you know this was. This was one of them, but like I said again there were a group of psychiatrists who said no, this is. There's something real here. We've just been looking at it the wrong way. We allowed it to become sensationalized. We need to learn that lesson, but at the same time we need to identify the people who really are suffering from this and figure out how to help them, yeah. Problems it's human nature to hate problems, but why is that? After all problems inspire us to mend things, ben things make things better. That's why so many people work with IBM on everything from city traffic to open plastic new schools to new energy flight delays to food safety smart loves problems IBM. Let's put smart to work visit IBM DOT com slash smart to learn more. Stuff you should know is sponsored by the GM buypower card from capital one, so let's be real. No like spending money on the small stuff, right? No, not really. You just kind of want it for free. Yeah, but you need these things you need gas to work. 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They've renamed multiple personality disorder, and now it's dissociate identity disorder, so let's talk about how it's treated how it manifests what it is, so the I guess the a the modern understanding from what I can tell seems to be that disowned should've identity disorder is. A person who has well, let's talk about personality. What identity is okay okay. What if Your identity is basically the. A script that you've been equipped with that's been developed and refined a nuance, but also very much brutalized and solidified over the years so that when you are faced with any. Any anything in life you're going to react in a prescribed predictable way. Okay, that's your identity. Now what if your identity is such that It doesn't handle stress very well. That's true, but you still confronted with stress. But that doesn't but handling stress isn't part of that script that makes up your identity well in the case of a very very extreme case, it's possible that a person will subsume their normal personality and draw some aspect that isn't predictable. That isn't prescribed, but it's still part of themselves and put that front and center. Yeah, deal with that stress, and it might cuss out the person like a psychiatrist who confronting him with the stress. It may be very protective of that personality. But the point is. It's still part of single person. It's just a different aspect showing. Yeah, when you take it to its extreme conclusion. What you're looking at then are two different personalities split. Personalities are multiple personalities. Right, that's. Apparently what? Dissociate, identity disorder is. So, are you saying you don't believe that? When someone comes out in a British accent says my name is rob like that's not real. I don't think they were real is a good word. Okay, because I think that that person, it's real, and that's reality right there, right? You know. I, mean if a person is experiencing a different personality, and it happens to be a British guy named Rob Right. That's the reality right then I. Don't think these people who have dissociated identity. Sora faking right. I don't think it's made up I. Don't think they're necessarily playing along I. think that's what happened in the eighties. Everybody was just. Just, kind of playing along right, but I think if you actually have dissociate identity disorder like this is your experience. This is reality to you like you do feel detached from your life, right? You do have missing time like you do. Experience this, so yes, it's real for you. It's more how the psychiatric community or the mental health community has to view dissociate of identities order in order to treat it right that it isn't that they aren't separate personalities because you can basically that's. Saying you're possessed by a demon, right? That's a whole other person in there with you, and that's just not the case, and if you view it like that, you're not going to be able to treat it right. Did you find anyone famous with it? No, did you Herschel Walker. Now really yeah. You know about that right no famous former Georgia bulldog, running back and NFL star Herschel Walker. He suffers from D.. And he wrote a book called breaking free. And he has no memory of winning the heisman trophy. Oh No, he has no memory of putting a gun to his wife's head something that's happened in his life no memory of any of these things, and he says he has as many as twelve altars and His his wife I. Don't know if they're still together. I. Don't think so, but his wife many years thinks like it. All makes sense now like when she finally, he came out with this, he just came out with a few years ago. Well, she was like this totally makes sense because I saw very different people through the course of our marriage at a nowhere that made no sense well and She's like it was not a mood, swing and He He's. Famous for not just being a football player. Mikey was into ballet. He went to FBI school. He was a Olympic bobsledder what he's. He's done all these things he was. He's a mixed martial artists now and he thinks that these altars are you know basically why he has so many like? varying interest in life well. Yeah, that is really fascinating Herschel. So, what do you think about it? What's your take on associated? Identity Sorta? Well, I'm not sure I'd see the difference between. Like that's what A. Mental disorder is. Someone believing something about themselves like. I guess I don't see the difference between. Someone thinking they have. These different personalities like a personality is an intangible thing anyway like you can't touch it right, so if someone. Believes they have four different personalities than? They may as well have four different personalities will get you what you say I guess. It's all part of that person. But if it's a disorder that means, it's causing a problem. Right exactly I think. The fact that When I see cases of what looks like Real D I d. Like Herschel Walker no memory of of certain things right like it's. It's certainly more powerful than you know. That's bad. Chuck coming out because I don't deal with stress well, we'll call him Tony. You know right, but if I blacked out and didn't remember my actions for several days, and those actions included putting a gun to my wife, said then that's a whole different thing. Yeah, you know. Because I'm certainly moody. We all know bet joke. We all know Tony. Tony. Nice, all right well I guess that's it about decision of identity disorder. If you want to learn more about it type those words in the search bar how stuff works dot com, and it'll bring up this article, and since I said search bar. It's time for listener mail. I'm going to call this real world advice for Tony. Guys named Tony No yeah. Total Accident Hey, guys. I recently returned from to the states from living in the Republic of Korea. Mostly, teaching English there for the last four years. returned home to get a job different from that, and now that I'm at home. I can't figure out what to do. TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT I've been actively interviewing with all sorts of companies, organizations and firms positions in marketing sales business development finance consulting. Anyway find most of those roles to be too boring. I also feel pressured in burden, because I studied engineering at Columbia University and feel burdened to be successful quote unquote. I am very much stuck in a Rut looking for a job. not excited by my prospects, and asking what do I WANNA do. I don't really want to go back to school because I can't afford to pay for a master's degree. especially if I'm not certain, we're pretty certain that that advanced degree will improve my situation so I'm emailing. You guys because I'm an adult sir. I think we share similar perspectives on things, and you have great careers that are thrilling and a spiral Judah so. I'm not quite saying I want to be you guys. I want your jobs, but as see, both as people that are really interesting salt of the earth folk, who can relate to my situation a more so than my investment management consulting lawyering med school friends so Tony defreitas's wants now what he should do man. That's a tough one. I've actually been thinking about this, too. Email for a couple of days now. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay I mean like he's asking for help. Sure so give it to them. Well. My first bit of advice would be to narrow down your scope a little bit. If you studied engineering and you're looking at marketing sales. Business Development Finance Consulting. I think you're casting your net a little too wide. Yeah. So my first bit of advice is to narrow that down. My second bit of advice is to narrow it down based on. often tell people what what what do you love? and. What would you love to do ideally? What they call Blue Sky territory here in the corporate world. It sounds like also to me. You're asking a lot of people, but you're spending a lot of time like. Just keeping it at the forty thousand foot level, like maybe you sit for a little while with illegal pen pen and like. Be Quiet and gather your thoughts and then brainstorm after that. Just even for like a half hour twenty minutes. Something like that. If it's for your future, you're thinking about you could probably come up with a half hour to dedicate just to that, but just turn everything off, and like really focus inward and say what do you want to do and then go for that? No feel obligated to use your degree. Most people go to college. Don't use the degree that they got. It's more like they went to college to show. They can go through. College, you know. List engineer anywhere in what he was looking into. Even though that's what this degrees in. Here's the other thing, too. There are very few. Career choices are life paths that go. That go absolutely nowhere. And you're shouldn't be afraid to take. Steps that you. That aren't necessarily the prescribed way to go. Yeah, and don't be worried about locking yourself in for life. Necessarily you know like. Try something out that you love, and it may bear fruit. Yeah, and if it doesn't work, you can always just go get like a guaranteed job or something afterward. Yeah, yeah, and something that interests you now isn't necessarily going to interest you five years from now, so yeah I think you're worrying too much. Tony or Tony. This was a very sly way of trying to get the word out with your. Resume. And you're out there. And you want to Columbia. 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The Horn Blows His Cover

The Nightly Rant

39:26 min | 1 year ago

The Horn Blows His Cover

"Welcome to the ninety rant with your hosts bike Antara. This is the show where we examined society from sarcastic point of view. He likened Saint conversations, this is definitely show for you. Let's get into today's topic. Why PIN people I don't know about you. But I love helping out a friend. That's why I wanna shout out, my friend, Brian Little and his podcast your favorite blockhead. This is the only show that manages to weave together. Peanuts an MA into one heck of an amazing podcast. You can find your favorite block it wherever your favorite podcast reside. And at your favourite, blockhead dot com. Do me a huge favor and listened to Brian show. You'll be entertained, and you'll help out a friend now as I said, let's get into today's top it. So I'm actually kind of set because people around here in this city saying that they are not against homeless people and that they would support a homeless shelter in this city. They just didn't like the location of the homeless shelter. It was too near to children to senior citizens. It was to neared residence. Housing. But if it was in an industrial area, we would support it. So they said so the city council listen to them and moved it to an industrial area and after they moved into an industrial area. You would think reasonably that the people near the industrial area would be the ones complaining, right? But they're not the ones complaining its the same fucking people who were complaining about the other. They don't let him this location because you know, what it's too close to a junior high school will guess what? In order to get to junior high school. You have to climb over to really tall fences. Walk your way through like a heavily shrugged ditch and then walk in tire mile till you get to the front of the school only, by the way, then you have to get past the security of the school that you not that's no small task either. But but no, we we support this as long as it's an industrial area. They put it in industrial area. And suddenly, they don't support that. Either. Literally, no, one will go that far to get to junior high students just hidden, and it literally proves my point. So guess what what we have somebody as you can see there. Yeah. This guy over here. He's been here couple times before. So I guess we could officially call him a friend of the show because he's a friend of the show. He act. Was only on maybe ten episodes ago. If my numbering memories, correct, I lose track after a while I at it somebody's damn shows. But it's Jackson horn. And he's here once again and to remind everybody, you know, he's an aspiring comedian. And he also does jujitsu Parenti. He's quite good at that. He and Brian would probably get along quite well, the favor block it guy. I don't know if you've listened to that episode, but he's good. So what do you wanna talk about Jackson? Welcome to the show. I I just wanna like thank y'all. I never really knew even belonged on podcast, you honest, truth. I just never thought that I would even have the privilege because I always thought this is gonna get deepen, but I don't even care anymore. Like, I always just tried to seek such heavy acceptance from certain people in my life, which caused me to really almost come to being like someone who pleases people runs than does things to themselves. Just thank y'all for like give me like this is just a really. It's a humbling opportunity like how could it not be like guy? It's not as if I just woke up and said, you know, what try see if we all relate. So it's nice to like find people who can talk about things that are cool, not small talk. You know? Well, you're welcome. But we're not sure you're supposed to be on a podcast either. Just kidding. Just couldn't resist. I mean, he he set himself up to knock him down. You know what? No. I mean. I understand what you're I totally understand what you're saying. Because even with this show, it took us probably six months for people to give it a chance in actually listen on all through that whole time. We have just either gonna sat back into nothing. We could have kept things way they were or what we did was. We just kept learning for mistakes and getting better and better and better. And that's why last time when you on the show, I told you don't stress out you sometimes when you come you. Maybe you come on the show every other month. Let's say that's at least six appearances in a year out of those six might have. Four that are good. And of those four one is fantastic. The other three are just they're just good. And then you have two that are so so, but so what then the next time, you try to make it five and one and then six zero, you know, you just you slowly work your way there and you learn from your mistakes and move on. That's what we've done and it's worked we had three hundred thousand downloads last year. So, wow, guys, I didn't even know that left. Impressive for law downloads. Really, really good. Of course, people like Adam Corolla three hundred dollars like in the first ten minutes the shows available. But you know, it's. And that's just one episode. That's our total. So we, but hey, we're doing good for small show. It's helpful that people like you wanna come on and help us reach different people. One of the things that it does is. I think of this show is like a variety show, and we have guests because we purposely have guests from all sides of the spectrum, and you know, that it works really well because you know, one night if we have you on there's a certain tone. If we have a on there's a certain town. He's another Texas guy. And it actually, you know, what I just realized something all of our guests every tax three people on the show. The most are all from Texas. We ought to Dallas guy, Houston guy and in Austin guy. Why we got the three really big cities covered. That's crazy. So we appreciate you being honest much as you appreciate coming on. So tell me what you wanted to talk about you mentioned you wanted to talk about mental health. What specifically do you wanna talk about mental health? I'll give you the credit for giving me the the setup without even realizing it you talked about mistakes. Right. How you know you you just you into mistakes. I'm not really sure like my my brain like woo. But I just heard the words. The only thing require on. I'm going to be Colorado. Resident I've I kinda knew wanna live in Denver years ago. But I actually just forgot about a lot of goals gotten away which really Chessel goals. Yes. So mistakes are what I wanna talk about. 'cause you know, mistakes don't define who we are. And people think they do in. That's what makes people beat themselves up. And so what I what I wanted to kind of just not go down rabbit hole necessarily. But I wanted to kind of make a really good point for people who are struggling out there. If you're struggling you're not struggling new understand when I'm in a tell what I'm gonna explain now. But for those who are struggling, listen, it might feel like no one gives a, you know, what it might it might feel like no one will ever if you were to talk about it might even feel like you might go through a whole lot of states that just literally make you not realize that you're worth what you are worth. And that's being alive in a human being. And that's, you know, having people who treat you right and with dignity, I'm saying is that we have these mistakes in your mind when you're you're saying will like the passes. Past. It's just period. It's the past. It can't be anything. Besides the past. It can't come back unless you literally allow it to by doing the same thing, which would be called a mistake. Again, you have to really just sit down to think, you know, what do I want to accomplish? What are the things that? I am not accomplishing and one are people out there comedy that I'm being I'm feeling jealous of and once you kind of did that answering your head consolidated undisputed once you own what you have beaten and done better. That's when life real like like life, really begins when you start to own who you are in a lot of people don't know who the hell they are. And if not because they're stupid, it's not because they're incapable. It's it's not even because they're not trying what it is. Sometimes I, you know, some people might say on a bit sensitive when I say like this. But the world really is a mind fuck if you don't pay attention too much to it and the more you'd actually set that Zack thing before really I didn't even said that that exact is. Remarkable how while I'm gone. I didn't really just like why weak- depression really makes you go in that mode. Like like, you're like you wake up at nine. And you know, you might go ask smokes, and we wake up wake up back at like eleven AM. Then have have a rebel. You know? I mean, I don't know. There's a there's a myriad of things you can do if you're not feeling well to feel better. But when you don't realize is that you're you're just trying to better, but you're not really doing much because you don't feel good up to do anything. So are you speaking from personal experience street question will this is both hersal? And this is also like I'm assuming that one person out of seven point six billions for this also, which is a high pretty high likely sumptious like the it'd be hold on one second hold on. Once again, you can continue thought toria. What do you think about what he said? So far, I think it's probably pretty accurate. Yeah. I don't want to lead mental health experience. So like what you're what you're saying? A lot of people have felt the exact same way gun to same shit. I mean, you took you a bit to get to the actual point of what you're trying to say. But if you're you're making a good point. And that's why interrupted you for a second because she's actually done a lot of work with meant a company that specializes in helping people with mental health issues. And she's talked to me about the things that she's heard it Moore's what you're saying. You know, it's it's your spot on which is why I asked if you're speaking from experience because you know, what you're saying is coming from a different place in most people would come from. So I get it. But tell me something does does this have something to do with why you're moving. Very clover. Sir. It's not that. It's not that it has to do with it. I would say I I'd say it's I'd say it's able to do it at all. Maybe maybe I'm saying what you're saying. Different words. I'm not really sure I what I'm saying is this when you were meant when you when you when you start to really feel in know, what you want, and you realize you can actually get if you simply do the thing like. I'm gonna get a little bit life. Everything we do in life is really just task like I mean, I mean think about walking task drinking water is a task staying alive itself is one massive past made up of thousands and millions of past so big task repetitive. Gesture. It's it's not that. I. Feel this way therefore, Colorado. It's more like now that I finally feel well like like, I I like I Jackson horn-like I legitimately feel pretty good right now. Like, it's it's much more uplifting than I felt lately. And it's very very new to me. But it's also like you have to be open to things that are very scary. Otherwise life will get very uncomfortable. Because you can't you can't deal with fear. You're not weak. But you've got to learn to do with it. Like, no one's week because we're all born then you have to go through experience become tough. Or however, you wanna be like you have to decide where you're gonna be. But if you're soft and you like being soft. That's that's fine. But you might find some happiness pushing of little bit pushing yourself feels good even if it hurts, you know, growth is painful, but it really is. It's the most rewarding and beautiful and just. Gives you this momentum that you can really dig into feel in say, you know, what I am enough. And when you can get there, your powerful, and will, you know, you know, in you said that life is like a bunch of tasks, I mean, you're not you're not really wrong about that. It's an interesting way to put it. I've don't really think I've ever heard anyone put it that way. But it makes sense. But it makes me think of is at a recent episode where we were talking about things that make you feel better. And you kind of put something together for me. Just now I mentioned that for me I like going to the gym because getting there, and like you just said, I push myself really hard push myself to my extreme limits. And but when I'm done, I feel like the sense of accomplishment. But I also realized that what you just said made me realize that it's also because for the rest of the day and every. The other day, I'm so focused on trying to like earn enough money to pay the rent support, her take support, my children, etc, cetera et cetera. Then I don't take time to think about me. And like you said, then you don't even recognize who you are. And you don't know exactly what you want. So when you get when you find that thing that you like doing, and you, and when you go there, you get to spend some time with yourself that when they're that's when you feel the best, and I think that's why like the gym because when I go to the gym, even when I go to the gym with my son, I get to get inside my own head and figure out what I'm thinking and feeling and it's kind of it's almost meditative. You know, it's like a quiet place to be totally get that too. Because then you suddenly realize all k-, this is what I want out of this day unions, take it one day at a time. Right. And you go out and you accomplish that in the next you do again in the next day again like you said sometimes you trip and fall and you pick yourself up dust yourself. Often go again. So that's kind of a parallel to what I was thinking when we talked couple upsets go about the going to the gym just the exact thing. It's very what's the frigate word cathartic is damn word that the us. It makes you feel better. It's almost like going from Saad. When you find that thing that makes you understand who you are. It's crazy. How Shimaa happening? You're like. Whoa. I get it. But I, you know, the the reason the kind of what I wanted to get more into. I think you might. I think a lot of people don't understand how drugs work, and if America has during a fifty million people in it. And there are I I'm I mean, I don't know what the fucking assume eighty million pot smokers in America. I don't know. I have no fucking clue if there are more than I would if I'm think there's more. But okay. Okay. So go with number could save, you know, what if there's more it's even more powerful. Whatever you're gonna say, so go home any people any people? Smoke weed in America. This the thing. Mitchell needs to learn how to do Google you're in. We're gonna Mitchell up with you. And you can teach them at Google. Okay. Hold on. This is going to be easy. I'm. The second the Sacramento bee. How many Americans regular smoke pot? The number is higher than you think. What upon? Okay. That's gonna I we fucking shit. I am literally astonished by my okay. So this. If I've million you see that. Yeah. Oh, sure. You can see my screen. No. I can't see your screen. I looked it up myself into law. Same number. That's why I was like you see my screen. That's the same number of looking at the problem is we're we're we're like a radio show. And you're like, oh my God. I don't believe it Ono. The people are going what the hell say what you need to say why set for you. But it's a fifty five million. But without actually smaller than what you said. But that's eighty million. Yeah. But it's regularly. I think it's I still say it's higher than that. I mean, I'm gonna tell you something where we live marijuana became legal January first of last year. And prior to that we will we will have a path we take our dog on all the time for walking prior to that you'd smell marijuana from certain places, but only those places and for the rest of the building in smell anything soon, as that law pack day one day, it was everywhere. You could smell it everywhere. And I'm telling you at least two thirds of this apartment building politics, and you know, it because you can smell it and you couldn't smell it before. And that's because people before keeping it under wraps. But now that it's legal. They're like who gives a fuck whether people now are they don't know. And it's really I think it's higher than the twenty something percent that they said fifty five million way that's way, too. Yes. It's much higher higher. Than that. It's so high. So when I was gonna say, what's okay so tied together. Great. Are you gonna tell me that people who smoke marijuana are depressed, absolute that's the opposite. So so here's the thing. So number one, not literate MRs she liquid or not liquids. I mean, it's it's oil. It's but the thing is this. So he did not just say that in the state of Texas someone please come arrest me. I hope you try please. I hope you come in this condo arrest me because I will be it'll be the most knock you arrest you've ever anyway. So so hold hold on hold on. Let me just describe to you. What I see on video. He's like talking like threatening invisible people to come rested. But he's looking at the invisible people like not at his computer you like Luckett off to his right? Like fuck you. Fuck like he was like looking to decide bring it rang. Ringing. That's how I feel about the people and the damn home shelter flip-flopping. No matter what I wanna punch them. That's what I wanna do that. But no, okay. So so you go on you you were making a point. And she she wanted to point out something visual, which was great. Thank you with any drug. You can say whatever you want in it's fine. But the reality is that you know, how much of whatever you're putting in your body will affect your mind that much more or your body that much more. So if you're stone, or who, you know, like, this is this is what I don't understand about people, and I can make point of I can make a point about why people who smoke we do this by making people during alcohol make the same type of thing happen. So people who drink beer, they might be like, I cannot drink your, you know, how much drinking hold your beer. I don't underst- unless you have tolerance or unless you just aren't alcoholic or unless you are trying to do a frat act. I don't know what you might be doing. But why do why ingest more than you need to feel the way you wanna feel like so for smoker smokers, like listen, I like being hijacked as being I'm but there's a big difference between being high and being dumb high. If you dumb. Hi, like realize what you're realize what you're going through. Like, I'm not telling you don't get done have not telling you. I'm telling you to be to be aware of what you're literally experiencing. You know, what I mean people out there have gone through psychosis. Like, it's not fun. I haven't been through it. But I've been through a lot of stress, and I'm just being honest like too, much stress can give you heart palpitations, and we start start going through those unless you're very very tough. And you just like what I mean by that is I had them for months, and I didn't even I did this is what is industrial. I didn't even fucking. It's I I was aware. What what I was feeling like, you know, what I don't even know like my mind is kept going now, I hesitate to say that I've used positively to Creighton of dope, Maine to actually change my brain chemistry. Make me happier. It's a fucking weird way to talk. I know that I get it. But I'm very I see things very diff. And that's what I did. So when you're depr- the reason why pot can make you feel way better when you're press because it precisely releases dopamine in your brain, which gives you that kick serotonin is is the same thing as Mannix, except it doesn't have a kick. If I'm if it's not Tony. It's Miller chemical, but one the differences between doping another one dumped me gives you the kick when you have like a regular cigarette and the other chemical I I'm pretty sure timing doesn't have the kicked lasts anyway. So when you biology last. Yeah. So when you smoke weed, your brain is just like to she is very good from making happy making you feel like your problems are. Okay. So what kind of over generalizing that? I mean there so many different strenuous. Yes. And and depending on what you use. You're gonna get a completely different hide on reaction. I think we're putting Victoria to sleep. She's passing out over there. I saw the is close over there. Lady sativa definitely will cause moorings ID. Indika should make you feel tired. You can definitely get a hybrid or you can do tissue oil. It's all the birds are getting so popular though, because the kind of take the best of both sides and blend them together. I mean, I can tell you something I was when I was like, I don't know seventeen eighteen nineteen years old. We really didn't have a choice of many different strains. It was like, you know, you either. Did you either smoke a sativa or Indika that was it? And depending on who you got it from it was either really strong or really not totally different. Now. Like, my gosh that you'd need a thick book to know, what you need to know about all the different strains. So I mean, it's definitely come a long way. And I can see why would I don't understand is how extremely religious states like, Texas. Don't. The benefit to it. And so therefore, they don't legalize it even for medical purposes. Like, I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and identifies as a Denver resident and therefore exclude, and I don't I don't think like technically things. I don't even get like, Texas. Listen, I I enjoy being I enjoy being in Texas. I living in Dallas. It's good city as a good infrastructure. There's money here to be made. But listen, we'd is just part of life. And if you don't like it, I'm you know, I I don't know how we'd be friends like so so I have a question for you. And it's kind of a personal question. So you handle it you handle it. However, you see fit and nobody's going to, you know, put any pressure on you to answer any particular way. But like after the last time we saw you, and you aren't even on the show that time yet something happened. I suspected a little. Tension between you and your dad does that have something to do with this newfound. I'm gonna move to Colorado because I know your dad just bought this condo, highly doubt. He's backing up and move into the Denver. So are you like my clever like undiscovered best friend or something? I think you just noticing that I pay attention to people say, and I have an advantage guys. I hear every conversation that we have twice once the first time and once in recording so unending, so you know, but no, I listen, I pay attention just sensed something going on. I mean, if he ever hears this like, Dan, I don't know what I like, dad. I don't know what else to tell you like I'm like, I'm twenty four years old and turned twenty five November. I've tried my hardest to approach you multiple multiple multi has young adult. I've told you I didn't think I tell you. I've literally just try. To be around you without feeling the need to you know, walk away. And you're just a very intense person. Like, I don't dislike you because you're like, I don't dislike you, really, I really truly. Don't dislike you win. It is. I just think that your dad that I just think they you're always stressed about something that is not worth stressing about I don't know what it is. But anyway, yeah. Like, I'm gonna go to Colorado because well, again, this is what's so funny. People ask me why Colorado. I'm like why the question like mountains? Snow ski see. He's women. Women men men women if you're straight like I like animals, and oh, yeah. There's a thing called legal marijuana. Like, our we're we're going to be moving in probably three ish years would be my guess, and we are planning to go to either Las Vegas, flagstaff Arizona or Colorado Springs, and all are gonna this is ridiculous. Similar similar? You know, ideas behind why we just kind of wanna put theirs in California. There's kind of like this crazy overtone to the politics, which then affects the economy, and like, we know somebody who moved from right around our area to Las Vegas, and she went from a two bedroom apartment for like twenty three hundred dollars a month to three bedroom apartment for nine hundred dollars a month in Las Vegas like. People always say, oh, you pay more and electrical Bill because you have to have the the air on you. Guess what you're saving out fourteen hundred dollars a month? I think you can afford to run the air conditioning. You know, I'm so we're thinking about moving there too. So I get what you're saying. Like, you just have to pick a place in go. But the location isn't the question mccutchen with the question was your what what caused tension like Dan again. I don't I'm just going to say like, I'm not I'm not bashing you data. I'm not even trying to like a not even really like making batteries telling you like what happened to me. So. Dad for a long time. I've been trying to do I thought you would like doing I'm doing software development. I don't know if I don't truly know about becoming the next year or so. Yes, good. I don't I don't really care about what you think. I like like, I the things I like the things like because I like them, and I'm just not around to wait around for you to like support. What I'd like disliking more seems like it, just the worthless endeavor. So I hate to be honest. But that's just how I feel if it's false thin. It's false. But anyway, and he can show you that if it's false anyway. Yeah. So I went to Denver to see with Khalifa in lieu Wayne performed for four twenty back in like six pack twenty sixteen. This is back. When I this is actually back when I was living with the assumption that I'm bipolar type two I was previously diagnosed that it was long y'all can see that. May if not that I don't know what I've done wrong. But so. You know, it's when I went to Colorado. You know, something something happens in like when when when when you smoked weed for like four years five years time every day. It's helped you every ever since like when you go to a place where we'd is accessible across the street. Your mind goes, you know, what? Life is not all about smoking. But but but life is better with it. You know, whether you how ever much you wanna use it is up to your discretion. But again, just know what you're doing when you're doing it. So for me, I was like, you know, what the mountains are here. I mean, the fucking gun experts the fucking mountains like the weed is just amazing myself with the mountains. I mean, look at the studies Colorado's a happy states in the fucking country. How can you ignore statistics? Like people also one of the cheapest places to live and like a good. That's a good thing. Yeah. And I just end, you know, I love to snowboard. I I will probably get back into skiing. This is Michael and. I just see my when I went there. It was magical. I I've never ever ever felt such just like my like, my soul just felt so at home, and that's where you belong. That's where you belong you found the place on your lucky to found it at a younger age. That's where you belong. I mean, we we were just having a conversation maybe a week or two ago about how she left Canada to come here. And the only person really knew she came. Here was me and my kids, but really just me. And then we were just talking about how it'll be really nice for our relationship to go somewhere where neither one of us knows anything about the place, but we've both fallen in love with that place. And it's you're gonna have an amazing experiences long as you embrace it. You're gonna love it. Because I mean, you're young enough that you know, like, we're talking about you. Kind of let into this by talking about mistakes. And I'm going to tell you that. It's not a mistake to try things in, you know, get out there and see what happens. It's not a mistake. What's the worst can happen? It doesn't work out aloud there instead exactly or other stuff right here. You don't give up there. You just keep working until you work it out. I mean, people are the reason why people move somewhere and then live there for fifty sixty years. They just didn't give up its they stuck it out. I mean, that's kind of how I am here. I've hated this area for since I was your age, actually. And I'm still here, you know. But look at this in couple years, I got the opportunity to get the hell out of here. And so, you know, you do get a second chance, but I'm proud of you. That's you're you're doing something that is for you. And you're you're going to have better mental health overall. Because here's the thing we were gone on way, too, long hair. We need to kind of wrap this up, but we can continue this in another episode if you'd like I have to say, I'm really proud of you for a recognizing the who you are. And what you want? You said it was magical. I love that word, by the way. We well. I love it. Because it shows me the depth of your connection to that location. You're gonna do great there because I'm gonna tell you something else. I've been a software developer for thirty years. You can deaf as long as you didn't know that I had as long as you might my business right now that I that I know. Is I'm virtual CTO. So I help people figure out how to take their technology in instead of having just cost money. I teach them out to increase the revenue their profit using technology in a lot of it is guys like you who instead of offshoring to India. I tell them to hire new people like you because you have all cost you one senior person and a bunch of junior people like you because the senior person can teach you everything you need to know on the job so much easier that way and saves money. And then eventually what happens is a senior person gets to be too expensive. They move onto a new company and one of the better junior. People moves up into the senior position is keep cycle going. You know, and it saves a lot of money. You can do it. You're smart guy. And I'll tell you, you know, the the three best programmers I've ever worked with were all artistic every last one of them. So I'm not even. Joking on. I think I think that has something to do with it. I really do. I think it makes you think a certain way, and that is very compatible with being, you know, developer so good who how are you learning? So I'm you miss offered. Over thirty. Steve Wozniak is. Uh-huh. He founded this company called laws, you maybe you've heard of it. I don't know. Well, I'm still on there. Among their software developer full-sized borger. I graduate August fourth. I'm I'm I'm probably gonna finish a night with like a ninety three average or at three point eight four GPA. Good for you. Yeah. And so I don't to be honest. My like, it's not I don't really feel like an impostor. I I've never dealt with in. What it is like I can get assignments done, and I can get big grades. And I can do all it can I not do react. Like, I can do it all but an an assignment it's not the same. As like, I just it's almost like I don't understand like what a job will be. It's got a secret job is like because I feel like these directions are just like so short like it's very it's like it's like really not very in depth. We should talk about that sometime off line because I can give you some good advice about that. Because there's things you should look for when you're getting a job that will tell you whether it's the right way because there's people out there that it's the wrong way to handle things. And what you see is continuous turnover. Then there's people who get it and our people stay forever. And the reason is they get it and grow together as a team. But anyway, why don't you let people know where where they can find you on social media, and in we're gonna get the heck outta here. Think so on Facebook at Jackson. I mean, I if you don't like hard, but Instagram is comedic Jackson horn Jackson worn is spelled J C K as a Lynn h Orrin. Listen, I'm autistic like I say this. I've noticed that people. Don't like like Neil Neil non follows me. I don't know. If anyone knows knows you'll Mondays famous communities been on Jimmy Kimmel live. He follows me. He talks me, I'm friends with Gabby Lambie just a little bit. We've spoken briefly. You know, I talked to I talked to Eric. Thing is with me. I'm the way I see things just different. I don't talk like people who are not to talk, obviously. So if I'm not funny, I'm sorry. But I think I'm looking malaria's. I'd true. Like when I when I think of my head. I'm like that is just so like the fact that someone else doesn't think it's funny. Like, they're missing only on how I see it like how the fuck, but she got exactly what you need. How you need to be mad like when people make music the best music comes from people who don't give a damn about what the popular people think. Because eventually what happens is when he make good music the people who meant for like who connect with it. They find it an end they like it so much that they share it with a friend who shares with a friend who shows pretty soon everywhere like the band, twenty one pilots per fees. Ample had a little cult following. Now. They're huge. It's the same thing with comedians. You know, you you're you're humor will strike a chord with. With a certain percentage of society. But then over time there's people who are right at that ED's of liking it and not liking it and somebody will share it with them. It's something you say strikes funding other fan, and then they it's lowly spreads out in grows. I mean, but the key is being yourself. It's like, I don't even know if you read the fucking thing that I sent you but the booking confirmation yet tells you right in there be yourself. And there's reason for that. When people try to be someone they're not the do not come over well in show like this. And like if I acted the way tear my political show. No, one would listen to it. They want someone who's straight up and down. You know, tells the like it is on this show. I thought my hair down. And if I didn't let my hair down also, and she didn't let her hair down. We were all stiff all the time. No, one would listen your hair is everywhere. Yes. It is. Our has a mass. You wouldn't have wanted to. Come on the show. You know? So that's the key. You know, just be yourself always. And it'll you'll you keep working at and what did you say before don't give up you don't give up. It's just it's repetitions man over and over and over you're getting it, and you're putting it together. And I love that perspective that while people don't think this is funny. They're missing out on how I see it a love that like that's so true. Because there's gonna be hundreds of other people who do get it. So it doesn't really matter about the people who don't get it. 'cause they're missing out on something. That's funny. And you've said some things that honestly bust me up like I listened to him back, and I just go. Oh my God. And you know, you said something's I sort of got wall. It's supposed to be funny. But I don't get it. And you realize that now I'm going to be thinking every time. I hear those this. I'm missing out on something. And I'm not sure what it is. But I'm missing out on something. And that's different than not being funny. Think about oh, I want to say one thing listeners to encourage. If you want to this is gonna fucking blurred mine a little bit. Maybe you wanna succeed in whenever you're doing. There's only one thing you, you don't there's only one thing you shouldn't do in physics seed. It's very simple if you wanna succeed just don't give up. That's all you do. That's right. It's literally that simple. If you wanna be millionaire just don't give up. A recent sensible person has had a long string of failures before. They've gone think life. I can't do it. Yeah. Well, if you think you can't you can't Henry Ford like fucking yacht yet convinced the anyway, y'all agreed markup this. Beans tired. He somewhat asleep over here. I'm sure he is in his diaper. I think it's time to say nine everyone STA Lebbaya. Thank you for listening to the nightly rand, you enjoyed the show please give us a five star rating on apple podcasts. We'll play if you didn't enjoy the show please just ignore that previous request for a rating. This has been a yogis podcast production.

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Does Sitting On Your Couch Count as Self Care?

Diet Starts Tomorrow

50:16 min | 1 year ago

Does Sitting On Your Couch Count as Self Care?

"Hello, welcome back. Died starts tomorrow on Sammy. I'm ilene. And here we are here. We are. So what's up guys? Did you like our wedding episode? Big hitter. I was literally about to. Yes. Apologies in advance. We had our bachelor finale party. If you guys saw it on Instagram earlier in the week. So that's why my voice is a bit horse. And why I'm feeling a little bit hung over. I only had two drinks though. Well, I guess your tolerance is just no buckets Friday were really strong and good. I felt I woke up hung over this morning. And I don't understand that it's possible. While the drinks were strong, which was good because the bar line was long. It was really fun. I can rhyme. It was such a fun party. Also notable today is the last time. I will be recording diet starts tomorrow in my twenties. Oh my God. That's really crazy isn't really hitting. You like me. Like, it's weird. Like, I've it's been weird. I woke up this morning, and like what is time. Right. What time are we just living in a just memories? Lyric. I I was seventeen like a minute ago. I feel like I was just I remember like I have these very strong memories of like certain moments in your life as people do. And I remember this this one where I was sitting next to my dad, we were driving up to Roslyn high school, and it was like the first day of ninth grade. And I remember before in seventeen then no, no, I was even younger, and I was like just thinking tonight grade for four years. Wow. Like, I'm gonna be for the next four years and like I'm fucking thirty. Now. But you know, well when they hear this. You'll be thirty. I'll be thirty. Okay. You know, what I actually do think about this kind of two more frequently lately that like, okay, we're thirty like, let's say let's say lifespan is sixty or eighty or ninety whatever like that's like all the time that we get and like I feel like I waste so much of it, and I don't necessarily appreciate what I have to the extent that I could. Yeah, I feel like I spend a lot of time not intentionally even like being sort of like moody or bitchy or not bitchy, but like in a in a Barrett oboe mood or like looking at negative things. When like there's not that much time left like in general, that's the name of this. But not much. End of episode. Okay. Like, even let's say like, there's there's even less that you have forty or fifty more years of your life. Like like, most of those years aren't going to be spent the way that we spend them. Now, I feel like we're really in our prime like workwise, friends wise, relationship wise, like the year, we're going to get married like, yeah. Or next year, whatever. But like what years it, I don't know this year for us uses year. But it's like all very soon. Like, it's all right. It's even if like we weren't getting married like it would still be in the next probably five years. It's not one would hope one. Right. But I mean, I'm just saying like this is the phase where in as just humans, and I'm sure a lot of the audience is also in that phase other than the occasional like really older really young people who listen, but it's like there's just not so much time. And I feel like every day that I'm like kind of moody and like trying to get home to just sit on my couch. Like, I feel like all that all of that. I'm like, wow. Going to be happy that I did that or like. But in the moment, I'm like, okay. This is really how I feel right now. But then I'll kind of think like oh my God. Like, my wasting sing my life like, yeah. Yes. No, I agree with you completely. It makes me think of like so this last weekend, I celebrated my thirtieth birthday before. Although I know all Russian Jews think that that's really bad luck. I'm really sorry. It's very superstitious. Really? Can't celebrate birthday before your birthday. And so I'm really Russian Jew. All Jews Jew Jewish. People are superstitious. But specifically eastern European Jewish women are highly superstitious like they go poop poop poop. Poop poop. Woo. Yeah. Highly superstitious like so much. So that I remember for my engagement. If my mom was like stressing me out, she was like, I was gonna get you this my friend Ilana said, you can't get sharp items for your for your birthday. I mean for your engagement because it means to twenty years of of of a bad marriage. I'm like, dude, just don't get me. Anything? Reggie Rhoda is a very big character. I love whatever you bring her out. I love your fancy. But so it made me think that like, okay. So I cleared out my whole schedule. So the party was Friday night. I was planning to drink excessively you more. So than ever have in a while and I- cleared out my schedule Saturday and Sunday to do nothing. Right. And. It's just crazy because I did nothing. And I felt like a disgusting troll woman. You know, what I mean because I all I did was sitting bad I ate food, and like the moors most step side took was to and from the kitchen to get more whipped cream to put on my fingers. Yeah. It's just like I don't want the evidence. Calories. So like, I could disgusting troll woman and to point out. I noticed that the more the less, I keep the more board. I am the more like the less. I have to do so more I regress into my old ways. I know what I I did. I scheduled a soul cycle class MC for Sunday. And I went it was hard. But I then went home at eight like a whole box of bonds a pasta because I I put it was for like me who's I'm trying to watch what I'm eating in like a good way. So after that, I ended up gaining more weight than I did after vacation which vacation was the one that we were like really putting on the pedestal freaking out about for over a week, mentally preparing. Whereas this I went into. Oh, yeah, I'm going to do thin and thinking like, oh, it's some self care thing. I'm gonna give myself time, and in really, I just ended up self sabotaging. Right. I mean, I think I think about that a lot I've been in that position that so many times. And I just need to do nothing today. And then at the end of the day or like great like, but at the time like that's all I wanna do like, I don't wanna go do something. Like, I just don't like. It's just. Yeah. I know I here's the thing though. I usually I think that I don't. But then when I do I'm so much happier. Right to me all the time. And it's hard because he's a consistently active person also very hung over it. We use very hung over after your birthday too. And like more than I think he's ever gotten. Honestly, I don't know why and bar open bar, and he was like drinking whatever, and he also was like the whole time he was hung over instead of like embracing it as we would like just like, I'm not moving. Yeah. Missions, not move. He's like fighting it the whole day like China, and I'll into dial about his hangover. But like he's like, where's the Advil? I need to go wash the dishes, like he's just very active. He's like the opposite of this person. Who who we are when we? Become the couch potato. But I. I had one of those pounding pounding headaches. Every time I walked out of my bed. I was like I would just get up and go. And russys can you just stop moaning? No is. I'm like I'm in. And he's like then stay in bed. Right. But like, it's self expression. Okay. Rusty, he's can you walk Sonson? Like, no, you're gonna feel so much better. When you do like, I don't want. That's obviously he's like you'll feel better babe. If you just. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't. What have we just go for a little walk down the street? No. Goes I feel there are some things that I did positively though like I really was craving Caesar salad and pizza was just craving it like something like I'm gonna do it Avery, but I ordered. I ended up ordering a really thin crust pizza, and I made my own sort of got a Caesar salad with trusting side. And I made it myself, right? They sent me regular coke. I asked them to bring back. No, I actually asked for a refund because I was like this is not fair. It was like two fifty for taking half dollar coke. I was like I can't he's like next time. I'll get you. I'm not ordering this and other time. This is my birthday. What don't you understand? He's like we're next door. I'll just bring you a diet cook things, man. But it was great. It's nice birthday gift. But anyway, it was just like an interest. I was just self cares. So weird because it wasn't self care. It was like self sabotage, right? Well, okay. So that's what we wanted to make this leads our topic for today, which is self care versus self destructive behavior. And I think that okay what inspires conversation. We changed the whole hour on. We're gonna talking about work an idiot work today. We'll talk about now. But instead I saw these three memes that all in like came together for me and just this perfect storm of a top, and they all targeted you. And they all got okay. So the first is from the cartoonist on Instagram and Julie Lauren who so. Funny. Okay. So basically, we can post these on the Instagram, but it's a girl sitting in her bed on her phone, and she show a blue tax bubble that she's obviously sending and says, hey, do you mind if we rescheduled for another night, I need to stay home in complete isolation while I have been Jeet and scroll through my phone for five hours, straight alternative alternately comparing myself to and then judging women from the internet that I have never met. I also have a lot of work to do like putting thirty items in my cart and then posing the tab and not buying anything and also looking photos celebrity children, and then ignoring taxes from people and then just move our volume asleep at three AM wondering, why feel so isolated are you free Thursday. Like so accurate like I did this like two weeks ago where I just like I was like after working. I can't I plans, and I was like I'm not in the mood to like put effort into my words, and like talk to anyone like I wanna not speak for the next three hours. I was just like fuck it. Okay. The part where she was like this. This is the best part was that I need to stay home in complete isolation while I binge eat and scroll through my phone for five our street alternately comparing myself to and then judging women from the internet that I've never met that was like so on point. It's like, I you're judging yourself, then you're judging others, then you're judging yourself and you're like wait compared to somebody else. I don't want her life. But wait, I love my life. But wait, I hate my life. It's always like that. And it's back and forth, and it's such a fucking waste of time. Yeah. It is. I do find myself as I am approaching thirty. Thirty wise, and Why's that? I am carrying a little getting a little bit more. Fuck it's where I'm carrying a little bit less about what people think win more than ever gets our off time high. I was actually talking to our PR person about this yesterday about getting older. You know, what I don't understand this whole like this whole anti. I don't wanna be thirty five. You'll have it's like I so happy to be thirty nine. I don't have to like do the bullshit from like my early twenties. Yeah. Sometimes I feel like I'm both like a child who's regressed like a duck in her head about like my preferences. Are that of like an eighty five year old woman? Right. I feel a lot of people are like that. I I'm not a scared scared to turn thirty or get older. Like, I'm kind of looking forward to having kids and having a family like the kind of for thirty which is I'm not scared of getting older. But it's a little bit scary. Because time goes because you really feel time. Yes. That's what I'm saying. That's about. That's about it. Yeah. It's going. So suddenly feel that you don't feel invincible. Absolutely. No more. I have. When people say kids just feel invincible they think time will never run out. And I'm like, but do they do they really think that they actually do? I notice that now that I feel differently. But yeah, yeah. Anyway, the neck so the second team this one's from ideal piper. So he literally just like the photo of mine isn't that so Quincy dental, he's okay. He says, I don't know what's more worrisome. The fact that ninety percent of means on the internet are about shitty relationship, and should he relationships indulging in self destructive behaviors self loathing, alcoholism overeating and being lazy piece of shit or the back that I can relate to them. Yeah. That's yeah. That's literally what her Julie Lawrence cartoon was it was like instead of socializing and getting out there with people that you know, and extensively wanna see like pot relationships with. Instead, you're like, oh just going to lean into like it's negative attract it's sort of the year tractive because you're both being negative. It's like the festering kind of mentality versus like 'cause I I like follow Gary v who's highly active. I would've asional kind of speaker. And sometimes unlike. Yep. Just want to go home, and I'm not buying all of it. One hundred percent. Well, okay. I think some people the way the same way that we like wanna just kind of couch and e- like I don't I don't feel that one hundred percent anymore. I really really don't. I do. I feel that I really feel my growing out of it. I'm not growing out of it. But what I'm saying? I'm not talking about growing out of it. I'm talking about people's natural inclinations like some people. They get there. Like, they get a hit from from action. Like, they get a hit doing shit like from going more places doing more things like AVI again. He can't not move. Right. And that I can't move right has to keep moving. Otherwise, he like, I don't know what happened to him. Like he might just run out of battery. Yeah. Right. But for me, I'm like, oh, I just need to soak up the nothing. Yeah. So Cup nothing. Yes. But again, those are just two different ways of being I think to some degree. But I do think there's something to say that we're both some somewhat inclined for catch time like Indika, and they're the Steve us there the tour integral spokes Tiba, preferably because you wanna town Valance your your normal Indika state into couch. So so I think maybe we're just say like, maybe there's something to be said 'cause Rossi's also an energizer buddy so much. So they needs to clap all the time to get his energy out, the potential needs to be turned into Connecticut. So so he so he he's also like on the go. I think he's taking some of my couch time like we're we're we become we're coming somewhere in the middle. Right. The more timely more act or that you live with with the more you live together. Like the longer you do I think the more you'll go his way and. He might come a little bit more your way, I think that's already happened. And he always says he's like you think you don't want to do this. But whatever we do it. You're happy that we read it. Right. So let's just just it's the same thing about like trying to get to the to the gym. Yeah, it's the same. It is. It is literally the same Jim is. But I wanna bring this third time fund where it becomes problematic. Like, I get it. People have kind of self destructive behaviors they just wanna break. But this third me kind of eliminates everything. Okay. We can really get it. Okay. It's one of those ones where it's like paints a picture of the scene co-worker. This is from the dry ginger. Okay, coworker. What did you do this weekend in asterisks flashback to me binge-watching twenty twenty post-meeting family meal from Popeye's wearing the same outfit for forty eight hours and taking depression naps and under? It's me as if she's saying replying to the core. Self-care right. So the problems line, right? So the. Problem. I think with this is not that like people are doing nothing or having in their couches. I think the issue is that people are now calling what is actually deeply up destructive behavior. They're calling itself care. There's like I just need some time for me. Like, no. When I go home, I watch Netflix endlessly and smoke weed for hours, and then I'm like, where's my dessert? That is not self care. It may be what I wanna do. But it's not self care. It's actually making my habits worse because it's solidifying them. And then one day become my mother. Sorry, mom, if you're listening, but like she was also just texting me. He said happy birthday, but it's data. It's using everyone. But yes. So. Yeah. And it's like, then you become like becomes you can't get out of that cycle, and you become a very inactive person. But you're doing it you're saying, oh, this a self care. Not really self care. Right. Argh. I bet in Senate because I was on the plane. It was something from having to think oh read it on the plane, and it wouldn't go through. From the Huffington Post. And it was basically about this heloc Pibor calling what calling this behavior healthcare and trying. Yeah. And also like my weekend. Yes. Yeah. But something else they say in the article is that it's like people are calling consumerism self-care. They're also calling to struck by. Like shit being. Like, maybe doing a face mask. If that relaxes you is self. This brings us back to the literally the point of why we started this was the taking photos of you in the bath in the rose. Fuck in pedals is not self care. That's that was the day one hypothesis in my since we moved into apartment, I took a bath once, and I I really had to like stop from screaming like I lit candles, but for myself, and I was like, okay. If I take a picture this. I literally will be beating the relaxing purpose of this. And I should just put my phone out of this by throwing the exact same with a few weeks ago. Pretty I decide right. I decided to get a massage come to my house. I was like I just I need this. I'm so tight my body hurt and I'm good self self-care do, but then when she came I was like my hand specimen for my. But I chose not to my night was massaging yoki, Colorado. It was still needed got such a good night. I felt so much better afterwards for not putting on story. I'm like, why must I need to show show? Right. Why I think about that a lot? And again, this is a I want people to feel jealous of my lifestyle. No. I don't need that. You don't wanna put like Judaism, they call it. The I in HARA when you like put too much bragging shit out there. Yeah. And then people like get jealous of you. And it's like, it's bad. That's kind of goes into the Russian Jews fishing thing. It's like don't show, Jamie bad karma. It really bad karma because it's gonna come back at you. And that stuff is going to be taken away. There's a fish fraud going on in America. And we are not here for it. Hey, DST listeners. I'm Elise Brian. And this is your betcha. Sup wellness news update? 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Good one Bryant for more bitches news, be sure to sign up for the newsletter and subscribe to the podcast on itunes or wherever you get your podcast. I think that this is a good time to introduce a new segment that we've done it. Admit. Segment is called honest. Okay. Honest, incest. So what we're going to not sponsored by the honest company. No. But it could be you never know. Kaaba? Okay in the segment where we're going to do is we're going to talk about our own. Instagram's post them our personal page K, and we're gonna talk about what was actually going on in our heads in the setting, and what editing. We did what we're going to just tell you what really those instagrams are about. So if you follow us at Sammy Addy, lean you can see our Instagram's and time next week. You can hear us talk about while ago. And what is really behind that Instagram? So this is basically just we want to eliminate like the reality behind social media sharing. And I think we are samples of because also it's a really important. We always say when you post you wanna show, you're like, you wanna show the maybe the one hundred sixty but really there's three sixty with a picture and like. And the point of photo is to share something super positive. You know, you're not gonna show like you right up somewhere. Right. Exactly. Where two good examples of people who like if you looked there's a lot of boxes checked. Yeah. I think our own profiles is a good place to start because we know what was really going on our own head, and we're not just projecting Alyce onto other people. Okay. So I wasn't I you. So if you look at my last photo, it was taken at said bidet party. Well, my birthday my birthday, and I'm holding balloons, and I'm wearing a hot dress that shows breast and. Behind thirty side. So during the actual, and I'm making a face and holding a tequila out the actual photo of this. I actually was in a good mood when I took this photo, however behind this photo is a stream of other pictures did a joint party with my really good friend, Alexa. And so we started taking photos earlier in the night. And I was I was so anxious. I hate you were very I was so long because I hate things. Like, I don't know. I hate was there an issue. No photo booth there. No, no, no. There was an issue with the bringing up balloons we pay too much money for it. They fucked up everything and the photo booth thing didn't work there's a lot of annoyances, but mostly I get very anxious at parties when they're about me. I'm serious like center of attention gives me both happiness endings Zaidi. So I needed to get drunk. So in this photo, actually happy because I'm three to kill us otas in how and also behind. This photo is literally K K York City. She's taking the photo. And then she literally goes, okay? We need light on this side. And we need light on that side. And she's literally bringing everyone who's at the party who works here. They have flashes on the lighting sucked at this party. But this Goto is well lit, and so I was dying. If felt like 'paparazzi, I I was hysterically laughing. And I'm just saying this was a funny moment, but the photos before that I was I was like a hate this. I look like shit hate my dress. I can't believe I wore this. I changed my mind five times before I left. I what am I wearing? I look fat. And everyone's like, no, you're great. And like, you're a liar. Fucking. G drugs. So I went, and I'm like, I think I was a monster. My friend Ariel who was actually very sick at the time. I'm so glad she came out. But I you wanna shots. She's like, no, I'm like fuck. You voted you for the first team minutes your energy. I went I was like Johnson. Very early monster. And once I took my first shot, I did it with Pam entered Donna, it was great. I had my tequila shot, and I felt so much better. This is a bad message to send to people. However, it's realistic. I felt I felt so much, but I felt relaxed and alkyl from the news it calms my nerves. I wasn't. So in my head, I relaxed, and then it was able to take this more fun photo, which I posted editing-wise, I'm going to be honest with you, I added this when I got home at three in the morning blackout while eating cauliflower, new Ilke. I probably faced tuned my side. If I'm looking at it. But I don't think I did not faced you in. My my my my boob to be to cover more of my boob. Tress? Scandalous. But other couldn't wait good picture on a little bit. Actress guy can't tell I don't think I didn't brightened it up a bit. But honestly, this was a more, honest, Instagram fun. But the before not so it's more about like the Instagram from the whole fast. The best was k- going light here. Like there. I need it all at all is on hands on deck. It was so funny. Okay. See me, what was yours like my phone? Okay. My last one was at creating cultivate. That was okay. Well, you're gonna hear right now. Okay. I'm put a slide show to put two picks. The first pick is mean long microphone yet long caption. The caption is reflective of how I felt it also doesn't tell the full picture. Okay. So there's a lot here. So I pick is me talking with my hands holding my group poem on the show action shot. This was the best pig. I could get couldn't get great angles. K was also my now, this is a great Victor. Thank you. Okay. Very serious. Thank you. That's going. Second picture is me standing with all the panelists in front of the backdrop afterwards. And that one was that one was taken by like the actual photographer posted by creating cultivate. Okay. Okay. So this panel it's in Austin. I was there for like two minutes. So first of all I also by Jacqueline Johnson created. No is awesome. So so it's a great event. So I went just literally just help us out west for that was there for one day arrived at eleven PM the night before was there for the day left like seven AM the next while moves, okay? So I I was like felt a little bit is oriented because I was arriving in a new place, my hair the hair app. It wasn't glanced squad was a different one. But like the fucking cancelled. I didn't even ring hair tools with me because I was like I have a win it like, I don't need it. Yeah. So my hair I like couldn't work out. I would plan to work out that morning. But then once I realized I wasn't gonna have a hair point. I was like two risky like I can't start my hair over right? And it was already kinda straight like do K ended up like doing it with her iron. But it was like. All over the J. Well, it is on Instagram. So she's obviously very heavily involved. Okay. So go to the panel and the women on it where like all super impressive like a not not that we're not impressive, obviously as business people, but they were on another level. Like, they were probably at least ten years ahead of me in their careers. They had honestly struggled with a lot more than than I had the first one is the one sitting next to in the picture is the founder page denim. Yeah. She is she told a story about how she move from Alaska when she was like she finished high school in like a year and a half move from Alaska like to go into fashion. Choose a model she show with eating disorder. She talks about being briefed. And she like truly went through the ringer. Okay. Second woman is the page, Adam. And then she's done them. And and people didn't take our series. She was a founder baba. Okay. Second woman. She she is the CEO or she runs. The company called lifeway foods, basically, it's like a it's like a Kefir company, and it was a family owned company hurting, dad. Yeah, she's Russian emigrates her parents started this company like worked so hard her dad passes away from a sudden heart attack when she's twenty seven she has over this publicly traded company, and she talks about how like literally in the hospital. Someone made a comment like a twenty seven year old girl can't take over the company, and she's like lit the fire under me to like go for it. I guess company third person Camilla all aka Matthew, mcconaughey. His wife talked about coming from Brazil, having no money, not speaking English cleaning houses, making him in the back of a car with her mother and like literally just like live the true immigrant life. Yeah. Until she got it. Then the one where did they how did she does? She talk about meeting. Now he was on. That was. Yeah. No. But she talks about her foundational river. Okay. The last woman was senior VP at Joe which owns like every liquor brand, including ego, very male culture. Like, okay. So they all talked about like they're insane struggles to like like get to where they were. And how -ccomplish they were. And I just felt that they had so much more substance to what they were saying that I felt like the little girl on the panel. Like I felt so like oh my God. I don't know anything. Maybe someone ask someone even asked a question like how did you like like figure out how to pay bills? And I was the first one on the road. So I answered it first. And I was just like I live with my parents. And I just felt like an after hearing the rows of stories like I'm just like, oh, my I live with my parents like didn't have money for two years. Like, I literally felt like just the most high Elenio. Title millennial, and then they all start talking about home Eleni, entitled, I'm like, that's. Our whole audience everyone office. And I was just like I'm entitled, I know entitled I know that I didn't have it nearly as hard as any of these. We lived at home for a little bit more. And like the first company verse thing we ever did it in our careers successful. Like, we never I never had one of those jobs where I had to like clean anything or do anything, really blue collar or like not minimum wage or anything. So I'm like I really felt like so not I've felt like a little inadequate, right? Inspired. But inadequate like I felt like I wasn't as quipped or qualified to speak to these things as these people, and I was so nervous. I was just very very good at the same time. It brings you down to earth. No, yes. It definitely brought me down to earth. And I don't feel like I had any like delusions about myself compares down. Okay. But the whole time I fell off my game. Like, I just felt like not confident and how I was being I felt like stupid. That's literally after after the panel we go back into the green room and the talents in this like weird house, and like the rooms were weird the way the doors were positioned. And there was this huge bath. Like the bathrooms was probably bigger than this podcast room. That doesn't give most of you know, went on that. But I'm just how it was a big bathroom and the door was like open in opened in a weird way was many details. Listen, this is this is the part. Okay. I literally asked the woman page I was like where's the door right there? I like code for whatever reason it was like opened in wasn't opening out openly in into the side. And I felt like such an I was like I'm just making myself seem like this dumb. Fuck in more. You were in word. Very inward. Yeah. I was like I literally felt like so dumb. And so like is there is there a point in the story where you felt kind of a little bit more redeemed for your success or rolling your compliments. I mean, people told me that I did really well on the panel your mom there. No like other people who are like their whatever Rahm came. So like other people thought I did really well, but but again like it could've just been like in my head. Okay. Felt this way. And I just I felt like off like, you know, sometimes when you feel like you, you sounded great interview, and you just settle the right things. And you express exactly how you want to express felt. Okay. But sometimes you do. Yeah. Like when we did that panel at horizon media. I felt that I had everything exactly. I wanted to say it this time. I felt like I said nothing I wanted to say, hey, but again that could just be like what was in my own head looking at the post of me doing that. Like, you would never know. I was thinking. Okay. And then when it comes to the editing at at the second picture the first picture, I didn't get my body. But my face in the original picture was very like you could see like the line of like my fat on my. And so I passed it you patched it. I patched it. Well, the honest insta-. Yeah. That's a lot of if you like this segment also very brave to admit how you felt we felt thank you. I mean. Yeah. It's like, I even was thinking I was posing as like posting super inspiring thing. And like anyone who reads this probably thinks that I see myself on the same level of these people and in reality like, I don't feel the way someone might fill that like a lot of people who are looking this don't understand how certain people get to where they are. You know what I mean? So like. When I looked at this. I didn't really like see who else was on the power. And I was like, oh like Samya looks like she did a great job. But I'll tell you different did to a great job. I'm sure you did. It was just like you felt inadequate like sitting next to these women exactly at the same time. That's that is more import in than than sitting there not self aware. Right. That like being able to sit here and be like. Yeah. Unworthy of this position here. You guys are all amazing and not not nothing on whether you like the feeling of that is is more is more of a reflection of a humbling perspective on life than this like blown-up ego. Where like, yeah, fuck these old people like, no like, no anytime, look, even with my mom. So she's she's she's an Russian immigrant, obviously. And her stories, really crazy. I'll tell you it sometime. But like even though I'm. Sometimes very annoyed with my mother, like as you know, she's annoying sometimes. And just you know, sometimes I'm just I'm. Yeah. We said almost welcome to your thirties. I feel I'm reminded at the same time of her struggles of where she got in life. And then I have to remember that to shut the fuck up, my brain shut up. Also, she didn't have me. So that I could like yell at her to stop being annoying. Right. But it's those kind of things like the the immigrant story or the person who just like really work there ask off to get to where they are. And I think about how like for me. It's like I just going back to the beginning conversation where saying how like you could kinda run home to your couch and do nothing which like really wanna do versus seizing life and taking it by the horns, whatever like that's what these people did. And it just sort of makes you feel like, wow, there's so much to life. There's so much that we take for granted. And yet we're like, oh, I need to sit on my couch and call itself, I always feel bad about when I sit there. I think. There is an element of self care in the acceptance of sort of just sitting and instead of worrying about what you should be doing. I think that is the small little teams liver. But if you do it all the time, right only, if you're like truly burnt out, and you're working like if you work truly for like, eight hours straight like, okay. Last week. I worked from home. And I literally worked the whole day. I worked from like. Pretty much like I worked out then I did work until like six or seven. But at that day. I was like, oh, but again, it wasn't the same as being in the office and having meetings, which I think maybe there's maybe maybe it has to do with like, you're setting what you're actually like kind of predisposed to doing like meetings and podcasts and all the stuff that we do in the office. Yeah. Really runs me down. I need that like self care wind down time. But that day that I was working from home. I happened to be making a proposal and like an outline. And I felt like this is really energizing me it's not sucking away my energy, and I don't need to like now sit like I didn't feel after that. Yeah. That process and similarly when we were writing our books like I didn't feel like run down from doing there. Yeah. It makes me think like maybe the actual structure of my day is not like conducive to like to what my to what the way I actually most productive sometimes laziness like promotes more. Laziness, it's like when you feel like I don't have the capacity to think right now like, I'm burned out. There's a difference. When that feeling comes from not actually doing anything verse when you did something like generally mean, but like just being in the office, and like the standard structure of our day runs me down like so much. So that I need to totally zone out. Yeah. But if I'm like working on something kind of independently. And I think this is something I'm just realizing about myself like of what I'm good at what I actually I'm like what my we're Yaas skills are my working style that doesn't run me down in the same way as having to talk to people all day be on the phone, and I kind of like doing that. I around meeting people rather than just sort of. Sitting at my computer, you're much better of an execute her of things, and I think I'm much better of like a like seeing vision and being like, this is what it's gonna look like and making up the vision Amonte as good at doing things like a m-, I feel like I'm much more inclined to thinking, and then like, I don't even doing things going around and sitting with people and talking and discussing and brainstorming, and then going to the next one in like grabbing coffee and discussing that that I love, and then I feel like, wow, I'm so fucking productive. So that runs me down, and I feel like I compost nothing. There's nothing to show for it. But when I actually write something or something, I'm like, oh, I did all this even if I were like doing the sup Instagram all day like all we're really doing like able to actually actively do it all day. Like, I feel like that energizes me because I'm like producing something I can look at the end of day. This is what I made I wrote this. I made I created this versus like talking to people. It really tires me. Out a lot. And it makes me feel like I need to just shut off. Totally right. So again, it could just be in for a lot of people. I don't know how we got here from the oddest Instagram thing. Right. But it could just be that like maybe you're mismatch because I was actual day time. Sometimes there is a there is a sliver of self care of our when you are just sitting there and not thinking about what you should be doing when you're just kind of just just chilling. Right. But I think that only comes after you've felt trying that redux. I'm just saying that's got here. Right. Right. True. Right. I think that only comes after you feel truly productive. And when I'm saying, I don't really feel truly productive the way. My schedule is is laid out, but I do feel like that element of self care after I work on other types of things. But again, it's just a. Just how it is. Just how it is. All right. Do you want to do some non scale winds? I have a really good one that I wanted to shout from the rooftops of what had happened. Okay. The other day are you for this? Should I stand to say this because I've been thinking about this today? Today. I worked out in a sports bra for the first time in my entire life. Oh, well, my entire life. I went to I took off my shirt when it got dark, and and I was just like I feel mazing. I was like oh not because like, oh, this is some sort of display of my body. But because I was like I feel liberated enough to do this. And I'm just saying I know for you you've worked you work on sports for all the time. But for me it high waist. I've never done it in my whole entire existence. Never zero percent. Even in college. When I was eight seventeen never tell you zero time. I take my shirt off. And I did it. And I was like this is the best feeling ever. I haven't done it since. But it's great. It was the best thing. So like steps for me, just like super athlete. Right. I feel if let it, but I mostly just feel like. Not really a strong aspect. I don't feel weighed down and I feel like a strong bitch. I feel like I can spend to the end of the world. But unfortunately in this corner. And. I just felt felt so fucking liberating. And I just I think all of you should. Gretz grunge later. It was honestly, so great. I felt I felt so good. What's your Sammy? Don't feel win is the day that I got back from south by south west. I felt like so tired. I'm like, I'm not in the mood to do anything. I drink a lot of the night before we went out for drinks after the panel. Yeah. And I got home. And I was like I don't want to do anything for the rest of the day. And then obviously like I told him I was like I want to do anything. He's like don't it's one thirty don't let the day go to waste because you feel tired for little he's like relaxed a little bit. And then go do something. Yeah. And you'll be good. And then later on that day. I did go do what did you do? I don't remember. But I was I I remember talking to him about it later. He's motivations usca literally motivational speaker. That's good that feels good. Okay. So we have an audience. No, no. I have one I'm reading we have an audience win. Yes. Okay. I wanted to. A small scale win with you guys. If you're a frequent visitor of the holiday I of your local CVS, Walgreens, Dwayne Reed. Like, I shamelessly am, you know, the Easter candy has been on display since February fifteenth knowing there are Cadbury mini eggs out there, a small corner of my brain until sometime after Easter where I can try and realistically convince myself they're no longer there. Sometimes the best was needs some candy coated chocolate. Am I right? Yeah. Cadbury mini. You're making me want them. Okay. Once March hit I said fuck it and let myself go late night to get some Easter trees. I'm holding a large bag of mini easily full day's worth of calories and instead of Amelie checking out with them. I find myself having a conversation with myself. I'm not shaving myself or wanting them trying to convince myself not to get them. Instead of asking myself if I really need the whole big bag getting most likely to a mindless binge where eat the whole bag one sitting. Instead, I consider the small two hundred calorie individuals is bags if I if I slowly monthly eat enjoy eating every single egg instead of shovelling handfuls in my mouth of time. Would it be possible to my late night chocolate hunger on, sir? Speaking from experience. I don't know. Okay. I ended up getting to smaller bags more individual bags because let's be honest. No one will be off of one of those right? Correct. I was so happy when I finished the second back that I had the conversation with myself. No guilt. No binge and chocolate as action definitely major nonce. Go win for me. That's great mindful mini egg. That's cute. That's great. That always feels good when you like kind of overpower or usually mindfully. Yes. And the fact that you had a conversation with herself as I think the real win. Yes, I agree. So we have a game really quick game. Would you rather be forced to go out every night for one month or not be loud to go out at all for one month? Even like if you had a insane event that you wanna go to. I mean, pro let's say you did have an insane vent that you you would die to go. This your best friend's birthday like your best friend's birthday or like for you Ginsburg is a comedian. You know, you don't know if you could like the chance might be that you would there might be a chance that you would because I know you would how. Yeah, I'd go out every but let me be there. She might. No, no, I need like ninety five percent chance of meeting her. I can't give you that. I can't give you types of, you know, then I would just stay home. Because if I'm not like probably going to beat her. You wouldn't rather be in her sanity? What if you just saw her dissed? I know I gotta talk to her. I got it. I gotta talk. We got have com- got exchange words, rather? So unless it was like almost guarantee that she, and I would let's say RV in this scenario. So you'd still for one month, let's say to rest friend's birthday. Let's say would you not go out what birthday? It's my thirtieth bit. I feel like I would probably pick stay home. I think I would stay home. Although being forced what every night for one month is aggressive. Well, okay. What is the out you have to drink every night? Like are they drinking events or is it like one night workout class one nights? Okay. So if you'll be wasn't drinking. I would venture to go out of if it was not drinking, but I cannot sustain drinking for more than one night. I know I probably still choose stay home. But like the better part of me wants to choose go out. I yeah. Okay. Would you guys? Let us now. Because I think this is I think is really varies like where you are based on this conversation saying, no you'd stay home. But AVI would make you go out. Right. But I'm not allowed because. I must stand this couch. Okay. And also this week our listener, Sarah is listening to timber on repeat. That's throwback. Good by cash, you guys wouldn't stop playing that song in college. Really? Yes. You would not stop playing timber. I was like turn you were going with her candles in the wind girl with guys you would not stop Tim unintended. Please turn in off. But anyway, it's a good. I it was more her. It was a good workout on. We just want to remind you guys because you all wanted a a playlist of listener suggestions, we made it we made a brand New Year's greatest its playlist on Spotify. That will be updated weekly. So go right now now that it Sunday, even though we record this on Sunday we promised today. Now that you're listening to it. 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Ep. 2 Chicago Blue Dream & CBD

MJ Review Potcast

29:31 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 2 Chicago Blue Dream & CBD

"Hello. And welcome to m j review the podcast, it's Chris year. And as always keeping improper rotation to my left tag is it's Marg over here. I'm gonna pest. Oh, thanks Margo. This is a gig Lee one. Much ago. Everybody actually a few things are up. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This new law that we have what's going on with CD. So we're going to be jumping right into. Let's be blonde. We're going to be talking about the FDA's new ruling on a CBD derives. Chris what's going on? Well, we're going to be talking about EPA dialects, which has Philex just within the past week been. Okay. Yeah. Don't ask me about proper peninsula, pronunciation when it comes to of these pharmaceutical companies. That's really the nice thing about these marijuana strain names. They're fun and easy to say. That is true hit. Alexa, epide- laxer whatever their. He's firesuits companies just wanna confuse me. Well, actually, I think in this time they're just trying to help. And thankfully, the FDA is giving their approval only in the case of two fairly rare epileptic disorders, but they have rescheduled certain seed certain derivatives of hemp CBD in particular to schedule five which means that they have medical use and very little nobody's going to be abusing them. Yeah. There's no recreational CD. Yes. Non thank you wanna use it as a vitamin or something which I mean, again, it's not gonna interfere with your functioning. Anyway, the FDA has said for CBD. It's got a three pronged stance. Saying it's gotta be FDA approved. That is the important one. Hang out us, aren't like vitamins and not even that's true. That is whole other. That is. Yes. They are. We'll hash. It has to be FDA approved. It has to be a CD derived from cannabis and that cannabis can contain no more than point one percent of THC. Wow. That's less than what's in hemp plants already already three. That's nuts. Yeah. So this is rather restrictive. It's not freeing-up CBD which was rescheduled back in December of two thousand seventeen as being a product of cannabis sativa and therefore schedule one. So this is relaxing that a little bit saying there are certain CBD drugs that hey, yes, they helped people in we're going to reschedule them. So there's there glimmer of hope here. Even restricted though, it may be now there's there's a light at the end of the tunnel here. I'm still so confused. It is very murky. Then why don't we go ahead and jump into hash it out where we'll try and figure all this out. There we go. We gotta come up with somewhere. Have a mixer push a button. Shoot out. Anyway. All right. All right. So we're going to talk about this and just read off the bat. I think we're going to give the warning CD's. A really murky issue right now, and we're not going to be doing a deep dive into whether or not you can buy CBD from from a vitamin store or from your grocery store or wherever you're seeing it because it is popping up all over the place. And I you know, I actually had a conversation with somebody in a glass shop one time because they were selling CBD. And they actually were telling me that technically it was illegal for them to sell. However, it was kind of looked over and not many people came in to check up on it. So it's kind of at the stores owned risk is what they were telling me. That's that's a murky subject for me to look into that at all. But this is what the shop owner had told me it's very confusing right now because there's sort of this. No, your source rule that that sort of guiding people right now and that is nowhere. You're CBD is coming. Yes. A big thing. Yes. If it's coming from a cannabis sativa plant that has over a tenth of a percentage of THC that is strictly illegal. Yes. I mean, and you, but we can't say for certain that hemp, which has three point three percent isn't also legal. But hemp under certain pilot programs and under certain interpretations of the law can be sold at the state discretion. Although some states are deciding to be a little bit more choosey where and who gets to sell CBD. I personally just think that someone is trying to fill their pockets with their own money and who. Sam we're talking about firma Suto companies Margot, they're always in it for the good of the people to help people. Well, I just feel just still confused. I know that you guys are explaining it really really well here, but I have some people older people that are coming to me with their own ailments. And even though that this is by no means a silver bullet for any kind of ailment or condition that you have certain people do have their symptoms alleviated by CBD or THC in whatever ratio that they have. But even some people are just take CBD, and they feel the effects. So I have a lot of older people trying to not do take the THC part. But they just want to take the CD. And now, they're asking me is this. Okay. We'll I go to jail for having this. And that just it blows my mind because I'm trying to find the research on this and. I still can't figure it out. Is it that nuts? Like somebody's worried about going to jail for something that they take in don't even feel any differently. They're drinking alcohol or or smoking some actual we'd worked with THC in it or anything worse. Yeah. And people are worried to go to jail for something that they will function all the same except they're paying may be alleviated or they may not feel as nervous to go outside or something. Like that. This is not. So is has there are some preliminary results that say it helps with. Zayed's? Yeah. And I can speak from personal experience to say that I think that that is true. It certainly helps me with some of my social I would say the same. I think it definitely helps. And you know, what else is like if I get too high. If I take some concentrates do on occasion. I definitely have overdosed taken a little bit too much and wanted to bring it down a little bit. And luckily, they make CBD dabs that I had mixed some anywhere. And it took that paranoia anxiousness affects away like it really clears your head up and really really kind of brings you out of that uncomfortable state. If you have too much THC that is the beauty of it. And none of us are Williams here, and we're not going to say one hundred percent certainty, but definitely look at your state's laws. If you're buying CBD, and you have a medical patient card for medical marijuana. And you're buying your CBD from a licensed dispensary. You're probably okay. Yeah. Now, if you go into a head shop, however there even synthetic CBD, and I actually fell for this one time, I bought a pack of gummy worms that said. They were CB, gummy worms, the whole pack. And I felt like I was floating on a cloud. And I'm like that is not how CD's feeling at all. It was very weird after a workout. I took it because I thought maybe, you know, take some CBD after this workout store, this won't be as bad. You know? And I ate it went in the steam room took a shower came out. And I was like, whoa. I feel like I just I just took some kind of drug I feel it still high that should not happen right now. A I feel like. We should take a stance because you know, there are also K to it's being sold out there and stay away. Yeah. Particularly Illinois were k two is being poisoned with rat poison. There have been even say, it's just Illinois. I mean, specifically, Illinois is going rash of deaths this year due to k to poisonings. Yeah. Synthetic marijuana that is more dangerous than the actual thing. Yeah. Here in the fact that it's still legal. I don't know there is a little bit of confusion. There's a lot of confusion out there right now. But we're we can categorically say stay away from this stuff. And you know, what I think for the moment that's about all we had to say on the subject, we will be doing more of a deep dive into CBD as the laws become a little bit more clearly defined some of the some of the smoke clears. A little bit more information here. Not a bad segue. Because I think we got a bit of a description about something else. Smoke clear a little bit for me. And I can actually talk about this strain review. All right. You guys wanna see what's in my stash? Yeah. What's in your stand? Right. You know here. Let me check. So it's an or stash today is a notoriously special on we need a drummer. Yes. Ow. Chicago blue dream. Is not quite the same. As typical blue dream, which is from California, the very popular strain, one of the most popular. Yeah. This one's rep in the Chicago name is wrapped in Chicago name that I it is illinois's take on the notorious blue dream strain. So what's the difference is there? So we this one is it's still a cross between the sativa blueberry mix with Indika Hayes, and that's not that's that's the straight name. That's hayes. Just just Hayes. Just so you guys know so clear, I'm not just saying that and it makes us actually beautifully balanced fifty fifty hybrid. Whereas most of the other blue dreams are sativa dominant hybrid. Okay. This one gives you a really nice balanced high with a strong sedative body high with also a clear invigorating effect. I like that. I I personally am fan of tvos. And I know that the two of you are more indicate. Fan through and through which I I completely understand at the long end of along day. I love Indika. It is the best wake up in the morning. I appreciate this TV. Sometimes it can just be little bit too much. How I agree. That's why like Indika in the morning. Booth. But what you're saying here is this is going to give me that that dream feeling without any of that sativa anxiety. Yeah. This is actually a great. Daytime strain swan in particular, this one here is made by nature grace, and this one has a twenty four percent THC content. What you can almost see on. The look look is it looks like a straight up into it's more on the dense side with a really nice vivid. Green flower color and plenty of little orange hairs, look like they were completely frosted and kief it just falls off the buds as you touch. It. You see it on your fingers? You got you got to have that feeling when you just know? It's good. It's can I nice. So satisfying. Now, the aroma of this one is also just a satisfying this one it, smells like blueberry has a very berry flavor to it. And just a little bit of earthy undertones in there and just like the smell the taste as sweet berry like and has the slight earthy skunk taste in there. So this one's really really pleasurable tasting and smelling, but and. So if you guys want to go ahead and try this out with the effects. It's gonna give you fork body high mix with a nice invigorating mood enhancing head. Hi affect as I said before it's a great for daytime use. So Chris owns right up. Your alley. Even though you're not a Indika fan. This is a good one. Go because I just I. The warning and my Indicas Neander noon. Most people do you know that time most people like it. But this one the effects are really great for pain, nausea, headaches in depression, which goes into the medical effects more chronic pain, people to use this you'll lack of appetite. This is great stress severe depression migraines. This is great for all of those. It's really got a large amount of ailments that helps with if you wanna use it for recreational used fantastic artist. It's very creative. It'll it'll give you a real nice creativity won't interact or affect your concentration at all. I mean, it doesn't really at times there's times where I slept in and out though, this affect could be different for everybody. So it does have. And you does have that you fork affect which can cause that anytime. But also in the in the issue of a full disclosure, you don't. Have any tolerance whatsoever. I yes. That is a great great point. Chris. I never had a tolerance. Be developing. Well, hey that just gives me amplified effects. That's even more reason for me to give these reviews, I. Now just feels like you're bragging. You know, what's a blessing curse? And this goes right into the rest of the recreational affects it really gives you a giggly happy mood, you really feel uplifted and relax at the same time. I know it doesn't make sense. But that's true. The fifty fifty. And the negative side effects are really low for this one. You do get dry mouth a little bit of dizziness. I personally do not notice any other negative effects other than that. No anxiousness. No paranoia. Nothing. Like that. It was a really nice really nice high. Great, bud. I would give this one of five out of five this is fantastic recommendation. And compared to regular blue dream this one is right up there. I would say I think if somebody tried some Chicago's blue dream they would jump right on the bandwagon is really pappy. It is one of the most popular. So I think that this is right up there with it. I will go ahead and say that. The some of the best quality, but in the nation. That's so true. And we are now bringing this item. Just some you think, oh, I know California's got something to say about that. It's quality. It's flow lab. Tests quality nature's grace. I I've found that all their flowers. Really? Nice quality. Yes. Yes. Absolutely shout out to nature's grace. They keep doing it. All right. So far last segment we got something good stored in for you guys. We're going to talk about it. What stone her story? I think we shouldn't be that excited to talk about stone sores. All right. Can't wait. That'd be more mellow. I'm always excelling break in those stereotypes. So what's in store for stone? Our story, let's see what's in the box. The mailbox is to have a line. Of our own this time, we do we have. Sure. This one took place in Seattle Washington. A wonderful boy, wonderful recreational Seattle and happen to be a beautiful sunny. Seattle day. Yes. Typical weather there. Sorry, chris. I know when we went to visit. I was so upset that we didn't get a single rainy day that rainy day. I do Chris wants to go on vacation and stay in the Airbnb and read a book on a rainy day. I do Indika. On the couch. Doesn't sound like a bad time. That's a great occasion. For a lot of people. So in this particular time, we were there for a wedding of one of our good friends, and we decided to indulge in the recreational. Washington years ago was a few years ago, even Illinois was medical. So we were just there for the wedding excited about the. Varies may the wedding fun. Yeah. Not that. It wasn't gonna be fun. It was fantastic. So we went on a dispensary trip of our own. We mapped out all these different dispensaries. We went to maybe six six or seven of them went under dispensary crawl we dispensary, but we'd crying. He's in one day. Days. How many stores do you think you guys went to about six or seven some and we came back to some of these stores too. Yeah. We came back. We went with a friend who is. Inexperienced canvas user, I would say. And so we went in each suspensory. We asked him about, you know, what's what's your best products? What are your favorite things? What are these different ways? We could take it. We like some of each of those. Long story short. We got way too many audibles. Yes. Way too many joints yet. And I think we got like quad of flower on top of all those joints. Oh, good. Lord. Yeah. And some drinks as well. Yeah. Yeah. What did milligram drinks powder? Mill dam drinks, the one just just so you know, it's the one way around the limit. So we are at the wedding. And we have way too many edibles way too many joints way too much cannabis in general more than you should have in three days. But we are so excited more than you probably can happen. Three day will. Wait, wait. So our Airbnb so we went back to the every and be after the wedding. And we're like, you know, let's indulge in some of these we're tired we've been dancing. We've been having a good time partying. So we start eating edibles. And we realize we're leaving the next day. Night in the morning yet. We have a fridge full of animals. In the fridge. All we have the friends we made all the bacon and eggs. It was gone. We ate it all. And so we start eating out of realize there's no way we're going to be able to eat all these. So we started smoking the joints, which we had about fourteen. In the logic. There's no way we can eat all these edibles. It's too much. We all the joint. Hello here. Here. We thought that people would want them that we could go around and maybe give them to people. And so we were like, oh, we're not going to have a problem getting rid of these items we planning on playing weedy calls. I've just you know, walk around this lock street and try to get. And I asked you know, people that looked of age made sure that they were twenty one. I would ask them. Hey, you guys what some weed it's free. And some people were like, I'm not gonna talk to you. And walk. A dream come true. Free edibles. Somebody walks up offers me free. We'd I might think twice about that. Too. I don't know. I would take I think it'd be a rug. No. I think we could tell now, but some people took it. So people talk it most people were like taking back, though, what I think you're already using the story a little bit. So the night before you guys were smoking the joints. And then it was fourteen joins. How many do we have? So we had fourteen joins. And luckily there was a burger Dick's burgers right across the street from our Airbnb shout out the decks great burger, by the way. And so we had fourteen joints. And that we need to finish before the morning, and basically have no more time to do anything. We are stuck at Airbnb with fourteen joints. So just be expert. Here's so your antics burgers. You've got fourteen joints were not added. Dick's burgers were at the air BNB. Okay. The expert across the street important part of the story that you've got fourteen joints between how many people to? Yeah. I. Darker? Oh, friends did not want to partake in our joints. Some might say. They made the better decision there. We felt like how soup dog normally feels. Yeah. We definitely did. We we had fourteen joints that we finished in an hour and a half. And we did after take a break which is where burgers comes into play. We walked over to Dick's burgers just completely stoned out of gourds and the line at Dick's burgers was behind the sidewalk. It was wrapped around the sidewalk. And we were so high waiting for these burgers of felt like an eternity our mouth wasn't watering because it was so dry. Goodness. And this is this is seven joint said we decided to do a half and half. And we get back and after we finally get her burgers, eat them. Yet was like, well, we should probably finish the rest of these joints. We finished the other seven joints. It took. It took about an hour and a half for the entirety of all the joint smoking. We had never been. So stoned, snoop Dogg more power to you. My dude. We couldn't do anything. So we still had the drink though. Milligram drink. We had some. Terry cakes case, a minutes, we had a bag of Gumy's, and I think some chocolate Multan milk balls. Yes. So this was a. Excavated where we on the way to the airport just decided to leave random edibles every. So when we went to Seattle few years before this even I did that actually with a little bit that I have of Dover as well. I looked it on a beach for somebody to find. Yes, you did have to do and don't up Assode one day. Yeah. Maybe one among the dues is be careful that you don't wind up having to smoke seven joints an hour. Yeah. It wasn't what we wasn't ideal. I is that even fun. It was for a little bit a little bit until you couldn't really breathe your throat hurt. And no matter how much liquid you would drink. It would just dry up like desert a story of excess. Then However, I will say I do not regret it. Okay. Do not regret. It was a fantastic night in a fantastic memory. See I don't remember that at all. Because I wasn't there for you were asleep. Use ages. Screw that. I'm going to bet. I just know the edible story about how we started passing along leave it around for homeless people to find. And hopefully, if they aided they would have fun Morrow Margo nomadic. People nomadic. Image of you guys just laying these edibles around and somebody finding it in the food. It's like a fun Easter egg hunt. Don't people that don't know. Well, hopefully, you know, now that I think about it people don't pick up food. They find on the street. It was wrapped into but who wrapped candy and probably not gonna be squirrels have fun with it. I hope so those things that they need to calm down a little bit to keep the squirrels pacified. Yeah. But did you take some metals or did you drink the drink before we went to the oh, I took some edible? All I remember sitting in that the place where we take off the terminal the terminal. I forgot what it was called. Then to sitting there watching parks and rec and also it was time to go board the plane, and we tried to get up and we were jello. Not able to move calling the wheelchair service. Those great time though that was a good time. And I will say though, I probably won't be eating edibles before walking into an airport anymore, especially since airports freak me out. I guess that's the second don't them. Yeah. Third one do not bring anything onto the plane. Well, that's a given. Definitely don't do that. You just be smoked. No. That's that's crossing the line. Let's let's that's going over federal federal law. Yeah. Thank you. There's a out worth having fun binging and place where it's recreationally. Okay. That and then trying to bring it over steep borders. Even though it's recreational feels okay to do don't do it. All right. Good times two times. Indeed. Thank you guys so much for joining for our second episode of the MJ review podcasts and don't forget if you. Technically, I. 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Asia Mitrosz-Cielak

I DO SPORTS

48:19 min | 2 months ago

Asia Mitrosz-Cielak

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Indianapolis 500: McLarens failure and race preview

The Autosport Podcast

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Indianapolis 500: McLarens failure and race preview

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We look ahead to the Indianapolis five hundred an who will be the winner of the one hundred third running of the great nice. Hundred and third, Indianapolis five hundred takes place on Sunday with Penske driver. Some on pole position on a certain someone failing even to make the grid mazing story. So far in the month of may as always, and the racist. Sure to provide many more on your host. Joining me to look ahead. So the rice and back at what we've seen so far I is map bear now, I guess, to get into the details too much. I guess the Alonzo. Mclaren Saugus been setting the, the incident and fire, and that's quite good news at its dot com. Yeah. A big part of me was absolutely delighted on alongside. Got bumped out of the race. Because it my head right? L gang story story story, story story and tons of traffic. So, yeah. Absolutely fantastically. Exciting story onto follow. We'll miss Alonso in the race. But that was just brilliant drama into qualifying. Even if it had the outcome that probably half of most both fans in won't negate story and we got older stories from qualifying. In a moment, we will say joined by some Aaronson fresh from action. I believe, yes. That's right. Yeah. Back just for this. Well, it's, it's always good. Scotland cat you're in with a little bit of a little bit of German racing for Indy starts off with qualify. But I think we should probably look to the front before we get into the Lonzo because there are going to say this thirty three thirty five the joy involved across three didn't make the rice, but pretty amazing to have some Padua poll, given his IndyCar career. It's been a little bit in the balanced recently. There was speculation about whether Penske with museum and replace him because he's had a difficult time of light. But this is this is a big moment for him, isn't it? Yeah. I mean I was totally lost last year. When the new car came in the last downfalls and all the rest of it. You saw the beginning of the Penske's a whole struggled a bit. But then power new garden, they will pick up cash. Visit Indy was looking quite strong as well. Pacino was never able to find a set at the what for him. And his engineering crew was a little bit flummoxed by it's all, but he's had a winter to reset. He's come by looking quite strong and Christie's coming into the month of may with. A real momentum behind in, you know he's how to win this season before quite strongly on the road. Kohl's Harry's pole position as well. And he's very much a confidence driver. I think it bodes, very well for the month of may him that confidence element the boost, he would have got the, the manner of his victory on the road coast, who weeks earlier as well. We'll have been absolutely incredibly wasn't just a, a first win for a while. I wind taken by being two seconds, lamp quicken than anybody else in the wet and we'll banging series legend out of the way as a proper. Yeah. Jala willed on back. So, yes, a key to although the road courses are different to the, the speedway. You couldn't have hoped for a better way to begin month of may. Now, the month of may begins with a road course race rather than weeks and weeks of practice. And we saw what it did for willpower last year's while. Okay, holding strong at that point. But winning that road. Course speaking since he will need five hundred. It really started deaf AME went strengthen the nine exactly what you wanted what he needed and through the whole full Nuys. Ashley is he was he was? Super impressive. You could see how much it meant to him of Indy, five hundred poles pick Dale, but we always reaction when spent pick picket you went last in the fast nine when he didn't quite enough C to depose from from pole position. Just that reaction that release of that release of just a light when he realised done, it getting poll Indies is almost worth as much morale wise of the rice win somewhere else in the as with a few points now as well. See now is such a dramatic day and you can see how much it means drive, isn't this? That's brilliant. Obviously, it could become completely irrelevant when they get into race trim, which is the, the caveat for pageant. If the next few days during the media to a he's the one with them with swagger. Yeah, exactly. It doesn't it doesn't count for much in a phone Jamal rice. But it does mean that car is, is quick on its own. Very least. So we are strong packages, and in fact, it was a good day for Chevrolet. So they looked at the first I four places. Carpenter racing was very strong. Compensate him. Self only just missed out almost it would have been a full Indy. Five hundred pole position with he's, he's a remarkable record in in qualifying there. And right in the battle again. Yeah. I mean last year, he was very, very strong about willpower those two front with some of the few that seemed to get a real grip on the different conditions in the different car behavior perform so strongly, but of power had the ultimate edge that day, but himself back in a position again of the him, it's very much unfinished business he performed. So strongly here. And yet, he still waiting on that, that first win. Yeah. Company has put so much into Indianapolis, the way his team will Parray's during the month of may reminds me, a little bit of the old days of team Menard turning up with gigantic engine and dominating qualifying for a commentaries, not go. He ten advantage. He's just a team. The operates extremely well, has a very good setup for for Indianapolis Motor Speedway. So it's been a few years since we've had a team outside that kind of powerhouse group actually winning with Ed carpenter's comes second third and fourth the grades and having been so quick in the rice with him last year to have a decent shot at spring up so Penske Andretti. Annecy this year. And from the perspective as well. He he talked early this year. Last year. It was one of the first time he could get in the car and not have to worry about being a team boss because he's built the sets of around him now where he can totally focus on everything. He needs to do in the car to before he now knows that system works. He's going into, again, this year, the Shannon who else had their improving outfit, generally, he's, he's in a very, very strong position to sold out unfinished business. Yeah. It'd be great from within a Kelsey the house, go fuel rice wins. So he's Nightman in IndyCar. So he's capable of doing it. You know, he sees it is remarkable looking at the, the supremacy of those teams that the Penske in the carpenter entries. Of course, I includes Jones skier coarser injuries is a carpenter entry as well. And just that's just taking up the majority of the of the false night. Yeah, it's, it's clear. The in qualifying trim. A Chevrolet powered car was was the thing to happen. And those two been the, the Chevy teams have been most on top of things. So. And just a little bit skeptical at this point in may about how much they actually transferred to the following Sunday in running in traffic and long run pace and keeping the tires alive as well. This so much that can just be made completely irrelevant. As soon as they say out for, for five hundred miles and a k home. They're only had a handful of people in, in the fast nine last weekend. Hun hundred the hands of drivers in the fast nine last weekend during qualifying. But you still wouldn't count out that their fastest teams like particularly gonna see Andretti coming through in the rice. I love the fact that one of the, the two the two leading homes in the grades the Andretti, affiliated Hardin car. Colton arteries been such a sensation this year. And for my all time favorite underdog team Dale Coyne racing who as a nineteen nineties champ fan. I always expect Dale Coyne to turn up the Bank with about thirty different drivers through the year and Embiid consistent plucky underdog. And it's great that now it's a race winning outfit and fantastic. Quick Indianapolis with day, the last few years as well horrendous. Shunt suppo-. Yeah, it's, it's hard and car in coin copy until the great is, is great fun. But I think you definitely expect the main refrigerator cars, and particularly Scott Dixon, these down the nineteenth Financiere, I think, give that a stint in the rice on Sunday. It'll be totally different at the engine side of things is very, very interesting going into as well, because these are such Mitchell engines at this point is while we've had them for so long ago still got together until he replaced them as well. Live hundred Chevrolet told about how we really are at the leveling off point with these engines, there isn't much development space to find if you finding anything to so, so minor that we've seen the last couple of seasons that Chevrolet Honda have strengths now, basically, off track characteristics, or certain conditions races, now mold than one engine being mold dominant than the other in going back to a simpler car means. Not showing up a lot more than it did. When you had the manufacturer era kits where Honda had this huge Indy five hundred advantage. Now. Let's go, and we can see just how close engine provide us all. We'll look a little bit more heads to the rice than who practice may suggest is, is going to be strong surely, but we should talk about the the qualifying format because helps eight changed chunk this year of pulled on the Saturday oversee set the false nine set positions ten through three thirty and then the last three positions which which side of the the following day. But I really enjoyed the fatty wasn't just a one shot Paul day. Because obviously, you could then go again that you could scrub your site fast lane to get back on track. Just cue for for chance without using your time. I think it really created that old school Indianapolis fail. Why people could gets have go try and improve that time runs getting waved off that kind of thing, it really felt like an Indianapolis qualifying session. Yeah. Absolutely. I think IndyCar does qualify formats very well in general even the way it's appraising qualifying on road courses. It's not that different to the F one system. But it's with the solve the split groups the Stein is more of a tournament fail. And I think the drama for jaycees almost weekend, we count is, is superb. I mean, the very open failed as well cost, but yeah, I think it's house Fulmer had a slight tweak in terms of timing in which which things happened on which days for this year, and it really worked. It was a really entertaining safe sessions in its own. Right. I think the only thing that was a little bit. Disappointing for me was the poll battle rather overshadowed by running straight after the last row shootout. Now, I think that my case even for lunch I hadn't been in the last row shootout because always so much emotion about teams that don't make the grades with thirty six cars in the field this year. We had some very real bumpy and prosper is not like the years when it was say three guaranteed being thirty three and one token random, oh, he knew make it was a proper old school in the bump day and then even before you've had time to finish swearing. Exclamations overloads not making the field. The first car was out for pole they now it was, it was compressed by the weather, but even on the original timetable, the win the been much time to catch breath between Alonso being knocked out and the fast nine run starting looking at it from a from website, traffic point, if he alone, so oversee is dominated the first part of this week for readership, but I feel like I need to remind people to. Putting a great lap and took pole because if you'll notice if readership statistics, relative to how many were aware of what was going on the loans, and a little bit more space tuna sessions with change them. The qualifying format is a really good antidote to the talking point, the minute worth had Penske canasta talking rather should be guaranteed spots for the Indy five hundred removes so much of the drama in the intrigue behind it. I mean just no. Yeah. Exactly. Especially bump day bombing. How great was having Hinchcliffe felt the race last year. That was an enormous shock. And that was one of those popular stories that time considering again, the poll story that will anything else, people love, the sense of occasion. We love the unexpectedness of it. The fact that you go out there and you such an hour window to make it right. Makes it one of the greatest qualifying formats anywhere mode to school. So why you'd want to ruin that I understand from a team commercial perspective and all the rest of it, but from appeal sporting spectacle at Don, Don wine? If you'd want to ruin it of, of no response to that proposal team should be guaranteed places. The doesn't involve swearing. I literally comb verbalize. The other way. So I'm just gonna shrug it in have a bemused facial expression, which was a terrible way to denote my failings on the puck cussed. Yeah. Yeah, we should probably not let you talk anymore. The we'll have to start stop APA the thing that I loved was on both days, you have to this drama. Because for example, dragon speed entry Ben Annely, which I down as a as a certainty really for the loss rate sheets, just banging in that, that really good, run and ending up and the twenty seven so looking into the rice on the on pole Davis's great. So rec- Pippa man who missed the Cup. Yes, you getting through on polled, as well was just, just trace brilliant stories because obviously, these strove is willing to have a big sign in the rice. They won't be that relevant. But just getting into the failed from those sorts of positions. Particularly for these one of entries these the will of drivers teams like close racing. Superman Joyce full like, dragon speed who on you. It's just it's just great for the focus. It's a it's a bail them. And that's it's just that, that kind of human emotion. And you see the effort that goes into it. Yeah. I mean, chugging speeds, a great example. I mean his team is staffed by Weck an insect. Crews had its first real race Ben Hanley over for the first time, and they put everything together and get that great crew. Got together. They make the race. It's incredibly known about the news since going to focus more on, on IndyCar. It's brilliant, light. You say we're probably not going to look around as during the race, but what huge sense, which even for them so early on in a series that they are, so canes commit to make a future. And I think the, the constant and the around that battles for the bumping spas, do you get a nice, but focus on them. A funded quite hard to think of who's around fifteen twenty twentieth on the grades but Peterman making 'em but quite narrow margin over alone. Pick them invest alongside. That's just a fantastically, surreal, Bethlen. Yep. Paper, men, and the, the charity involved in her car was well is a great story behind that Ben Hanley's man's career involving like sleep league back to counting for. And then makings IndyCar debut, Indy five hundreds. You've, you've got some fantastic stories the format and the bumping really attention to which is great did say, I was going around twentieth would a northern for oil survey getting late deal together and turning up was he's was twenty years since his Indy lights titles. So twenty twenty years into his IndyCar career towns at once a year at best, and he's still nineteenth on, on the great, which is superb. I think the criteria drawn or even though as you said, with, with the timing, the last row shoots out that the six calls going for three spots kind of overshadow the false nine Paul shootout. That was that was brilliant trauma, as well. Just people trying to get out and all six of the drivers are in it. What's greater or lesser extent, quite story? We had several people who had shunts during the weekend. Well, most of the ones who touchdowns Alonzo trash oh pets award, call Kaiser in the in Coquelles J tension oversee you crushed in his in his first qualifying qualified, a former Indy pulses. Yeah. Of course, just created this, this fantastic tension and drama. No, I think as he said notwithstanding. The fact there was this great interest in longer. I think it made for for a great for great battle. But of course, the focus was on Lonzo and it started to look quite bad already on the Sunday when they relate out for the for the practice session, which was title by bad weather anyway, in the carbonated go out dragging on the ground. You'd say it was just too low and they, they had more problems McLaren with. Absolutely up against it. So it wasn't a title surprise to see them. Miss out by one spot. Oh, wait there. Because as bad as it looked basic from the time, Lonzo step back into IndyCar again, I still couldn't ever quite believe. He was he was going to qualify in a he his whole buildup, was, was just completed deviled with problems, whether it was reliability in electrical issues early on his crash. You'll just rain away seem to turn up just as McLaren's ready to do something. And it was the worst possible preparation for a team. The just being put together was still jailing when the car did run. It wasn't especially quick, but even so even still going into Sunday. I was still thinking no way financer double Formula one world champion and McLaren came Clarence not in the greatest shape. But with all its history with all the resources throwing Indy. There is absolutely. No way of the six cars finance Alonso is going to be fourth fifth or sixth in the McLaren entry, and, and it was not just extrordinary, and it's opposed different negative stories is negative, because some, some fundamental underperformance by McLaren. Alonso, then they just did not get together, and they were not quick enough even when they were boring setups pumps from Andretti, autosport allegedly towards the end. But also some amazing lamps for the people who not too long. So our I mean, I will say Carrim beating birth lump seven Hinchcliffe in drawing robe. Ryan bolt was one of the top teams from the days. And I love the fact that it's still involved comes under an underrated driver as well. But his run was excellent to. I didn't see him beating Hinchcliffe before he went out and then that along route in the bubble. But still, you know, the Colin cows aren't gonna be real threats given how much quicker than Chilton alone said Baynes when I didn't make that wasn't a huge price, but he was close to Alonso that was quite nervous McLaren. And then looking at how come coming the I didn't think in cost, you have a car by the weekends they'd lost them in running plain white lift, relaxed, major sponsors. The last thing you need in that situation is enormous Condor storing show as coke is a hand, they made it to the weekend against all the odes, and then, but you still thought there's no way this this young driver in this. Car that's been put together in this team with no money is going to knock Alonso clarinet of the, the world's greatest single rice, and he did by teeny tiny spectacularly story making knowledge, and it was just it was brilliant drama and real heroism Kaiser. But it shows you should never look away Exxon estimate. When I award y when he went fit in the shooter memory serves thought. Well, this is the one that always runs, I make note because I won't compete. I just wouldn't be able to just would have the colander and given the given the difficulties, of course at all my sober turning off. And then suddenly, you so on the first lap colleagues abandoned t seven point seventy thing. Wow. This is showing that it just shows indie. Why boy the whole concept to on a very differently? All bumped iceberg big bumps out the failed. The stakes are so high, and you get these, these minnows stories and, and that's why we have to say, although he McLaren always going to have a tough task to be really strong indie with is there and say they. Deadling cut with Carl enough. See Carlin struggled got what are their three three joys into the rice? Charlie, Kim believes actually pretty strong around around in day year in year outs always know it's going to be tough. But there's there's other teams that were really up against a if not more up against it did make it three. So it's. Yeah. Just it's just a huge, it is ultimately a huge failure for from Claritin. Isn't it? Yeah. When you think that this, you could see it as a precursor to mccaren doing full time that really isn't a great. Starring point in the data disrupted practice throughout all the of means, like experiences in being gained, yes, they've got the Collins abort, but Collins still in the second year in the had some really good days in the Fisher, they're still building, then asking them to branch out and help another teams while it was maybe a step too far for everyone involved, and yes, McConnell able to run a little bit of support from Andretti, bringing some experienced old aheads indie props on canes do the full indices anymore. But like the, the pay in the thrill of being involved, India rea-. It just never really gelled when he talked about, how Alonzo didn't want to do. Indycar full-time by the Sandra is well makes it quite hard. See where the future is for them to go here because you've got one team that's quite keen to eventually transition into two IndyCar. What once the Formula one teams in order. And you've got one driver who so intent on finishing the triple crown winning Indy five hundred. It's very hard to see where the direction goes from here. It feels to me like. If Lonzo goes through the triple crown given the blow to the McLaren rations, they said they wanted a permanent same. But this, this doesn't necessarily torpedo the idea, but it certainly makes a hell of a lot harder for them to justify doing it. And you always feel Alonzo needs to find a ride somewhere else in order to today and whether that means him during a full season with same. I mean, there are some there are couple of good, one of seats as well on jetty of C, you can, if he can link up with Honda again. But I were there along the Chevrolet this time for various reasons. So, yeah, it considering Lonzo is made this his single objective. The triple crown is the one thing that he's talked about and Bill nights, just whatever. So, for example, it doesn't matter if he goes to Bathurst and doesn't win it because he's not part of the triple crown, but the Indy five hundred has now become a illness becomes a curator finding doesn't it? So I guess we'll, we'll bellsa judge house areas is about you'll say because we know he can, we can do that car was was not up to it, if it was to eight a qualified problem, you could see how. Wants to drive it did look, better actually from the bullets on Sunday. Knitted on on Poldej. Let's little bit easier tickets against the corners. We know Lonzo can can do it. So. I think McLaren needs to have a serious consideration about that, about their reject strategically with with IndyCar racing. And for a long, though, to decide whether McLaren Israeli the white so to go to unless they go back to doing what they did in twenty seven, which is have the McLaren edgy run ins Harley, an existing top thing with Andretti. Yeah. Thing the way the alongside come win. India, McLaren in the short term is to turn up Andretti Penske, or carpenter. Essy's doorstep attentive, orange paint in the KOMO. That sounds. Phenomenons gesture for everything. Does raise the question of why would Clarin pattern with Colin? He said a second year say, that's of the guess your first call for Chevrolet same's is probably Penske that might be quite difficult by carpenter. We know spoken about how good they are at the Brickyard. So that would have been a no brainer. If they can detail their work talks them tonight. And it's been a strong relationship between mccaren and Carlin. Second understand the center entirity. They're working with Emily surroundings, and there's the trust there, but yet, it's not an Andretti. And that's different thankful them is the Alonzo Honda factor that automatically rules out half the grid, especially when Honda's as limit supplying engines to a good chunk of the field automatically Hoffa failed at carpenter racing. Idia wonder why that never came off? Considering you've got the Jones seats in the partnership there carbons talked about many times as being really happy with affiliation is certainly growing trend in IndyCar now. It's a great way to shortcut coming into the series learning from the difficult lessons without running. Off into the ground, and then never example, Microsoft, racing hopefully go it alone in the future. But yeah, it pays the whatever reason mccown was not able to give it deals with some of the more experience than stronger teams that looks been a very, very costly misstep for them. I think slightly in Collins defense can imagine. They'll be people out there in a long, so fans thinking, Collins McLaren down here will lightly say Cullens a second year team is doing very sensible Joe for climatize into Indika, which is first big top level program, and it's not like Cullen ever said, we'll give you all the setup knowledge and speed when Indianapolis McLaren Trevor and himself cool. This operations in the gist IX partnership, it was just to make the fundamentals of the team process work across four counts on rather than one and nothing is actually quite kept quite under the right hours. While I don't believe it was ever formally announced the McClellan was working with Colin so. Yeah. Won't wanna put too much of the emphasis on the failure of this on on. Allen's involvement. But yet McLaren would have been a lot better off, if they hands done. Exactly is in two thousand seventeen and found a team of with more experience not just like shared wherever rations logistics involved. But shared full onset of knowledge, parts, more drivers lean on e you know, K Carlin had Charlie Kimball who's been around for world and like to mention destroying the speedway. But other than that, you've got a ward who's done a handful of rice is, you've got max, Chilton, he's learning as much as Colonel in is it wasn't exactly like twenty seventeen when Alonso had the likes of Ryan hunter writes, tap and go. How are you handling this and share advice with so? Yet. It wasn't the right strategy. I don't believe it was a strategy. Mclaren set out to do originally, either. They obviously mcclement wants to be IndyCar team down the line. And I, I'm simply admire that invasion for an F one team to be looking around like that. And not just thinking the Bill Endo love to see McLaren succeeding in Indika and LeMond with hypoc some kinds while that stats brilliant is love the fact that is in nineteen ninety s like niceties heyday Williams, was also winning in breaks tearing cars with a renegade in and designing BMW's limo winning schools colors. That's fantastic. Ama- Clements in the fine shape. In the moment is, is doing better this year, but it's a very relative term, and it certainly compared to its great histories is still nowhere. To be taking on major expansion into very specialised areas like IndyCar luck an IndyCar superspeedway race around Indianapolis as well. It's not even like turning up for Royal street. Course where some of McLaren's just straightforward single single-seat knowledge would be more relevant. It was a very very big ask McClaren needed things to go. Right. And reliability whether crush wise. Nothing went, right? Everything that could go wrong pretty much went wrong. I never had chance. But momentum never had channels into enough mileage, you get the knowledge and experience needed. It was we feel that we should do it was a few days earlier, thinking, it's not going great. But it'll be fine. Come the weekend and then sign on Saturday, launcer during qualifying run after qualifying run and still getting in the top thirty. And even when he did being no straighten out again fairly quickly. Yeah. When a publish the story of as qualifying finished on Sunday night partners gang just pinch yourselves to make sure this railing accidentally telling the world that has failed to qualify for India when he hasn't because it seems so crazy, look at look timing screen again just like ping yourself yet. That's really happened. It's okay to go and put the story live. Yeah. This still Matt. But the thing is, it's, it's the it's always the scale of the failures the stand, the test a song because even if Alonzo, it scrape Senate coach could easily if lost tiny fraction. He needs on, on one of his lapsed not made you very, but even if McCarron had scraped into the rice that not a factor. There's no there's no sign of the car would have been competitive in, in rice, trim. So it's not like the, the failure qualifying itself is the O'neil. Don't just just struggling massively. Yeah. I mean if it got into the race you would still have a natural comparisons to Alonzo did in. In two thousand seventeen where he led laps? He was in contention till the engine fair if for a new team will never ever going to reach that level. But inevitably the comparisons would be wise. He stepped back from a seat without much potential to go to this new sets. It team the isn't going to do that. I did feel it will be like if they go in hand. Yeah. Even make really good use of comp and use the Andretti setup and kit the following weekend have a week to like Gary through the data more Alonso's such a racer as well. Okay. You can't be pulling off outbreaking rules on oval. But in the he handled himself well, in traffic and stuff two years ago, the over an experience, but it was very promising overall considering it was his first over race. I could see him moving foods doing funkier strategy. So even if it was in a very full sway, leading some lamps, just for just to throw the dice and see what happens. So I think they would have. Yeah. Admittedly. It could have been early. Retirement seventeenth place, three, lamps downsizing. But do you feel like you would have moved forward in the race will never known oversleep? But yet, this is the fair. This is about embarrassing as it could be the focus on it as well. The, the it was very last lap of the bump day session in not too long. So how it couldn't have been. It can have been more dramatic in there for more under the microscope, for everyone is certainly was a high profile embarrassment rather say, people talking about other most embarrassing, where it ranks, not so thing wondering spine, to me, it's just like the Nissan, L, N P, one program in the high expectations, and it comes to the reality of it, and it while the this is really wrong. And it's trying to catch up on something that's doomed to fail. Really me at least McLaren hasn't panned out press. Release announcing mission accomplished. Yeah. That would have been would have been a pusher. I mean obviously, this is a phenomenally difficult thing to do. The Indy five hundred is not simply very specialized, and we should give retiring credit being bold enough to, to go this even if some of the strategic decisions that were made or some of the directions, they were forced to go down even that have made it bear failure. It's a good thing that McLaren were there. Any would be nice if they could go back, but think happened Cohen to question because if trying to use this as a foundation for, for permanent IndyCar saying it's not great thing to take the sponsors. It say look, we didn't we didn't make end. So very, very suffering. But this, this is in the finest tradition of India's new, you think back to the Penske drivers, Fittipaldi genius, and ninety-five, not qualifying. They won the last three Indy five hundreds between them that point, Bobby, right? Who when he was champion not making in the? The rebound tree sports chassis, and in Ninety-three that there's all these stories. I think this, this will be remembered as one of those remember when that happened say Alonzo imagine a be easy for Alonzo, too tight given the Walser couple years ago. And there's no question marks over his capability in Indianapolis he showed in twenty seven he could do it. So at least it's not it's such a personally Barrasso for for him. Because if the economy, anything you just you just joy, for what's, what's their attractiveness. Before we talk about so many times along. So in Indy the level of detail puts into the preparation how he can lift machine with a level that is when you're watching the on boards, you know, straight away that he is doing absolutely economy. He looked exhausted after some of them. But if you haven't got machinery, you county do so much. Yeah. To to play complete devil's advocate, because it's fun punk. Kersee exposed to play devil's Africa. Yeah. Did. Call definitely have a worse cone the loan Cernan circumstance on Sunday. A high be surprised if that was worse. I mean, they wouldn't have many spare parts lying around with day for start said that was an interesting build of that car say the least. Yeah, I just I just I think you could make the argument that smother drivers got more of their equipment along. So after qualifying was very he did say in, in several in several formulations that India's all about the car. You put your foot flat down, and that's all there is to it. And if your if your car is up to it and the driver cannot make a difference. I'm slightly skeptical. Do think some of the some of the driving did make a difference over the qualifying weekend. It may it may well be the initial underestimate Alonso's going in blind completely different set up on the car having had no practice and just putting his foot to the floor for four laps on the circuit is not especially familiar with still compared to a lot of people, so yeah, I'm being a little mischievous to say, I think coke is, when sage Karam purely outdraw Fernando, Alonzo on Sunday, but other people other people carry their cars into that race. And I think you would expect the Lonzo to, to successfully do the same. Maybe the conscious really was that bad. Maybe is over experience really told at that point. But I was said about the battle Peterman versus Alonso you, input. Love money on that ever being a battle, let outcome that Pitman man would win given their respective careers and then Kyle versus financial Alonso's definitely in the same territory. Whatever happened by for great drama, and Jeff Dondo Alonzo. Max Chilton pets. Zoe will we ever to? He didn't make the cut for the final thirty three. Let's drawn sorry, thanks Sanford. Colin the fact that if you think Colin had affectively three and a half cars in the rice with McLaren affiliation. And the fact is two and a half of them having qualified. That's, that's a real shame without love to see, I think Carlin will win IndyCar races in time. And I think it will just take awhile. I think he's going is the teams totally in the right direction with tariffs approaching Indika. It would it would be good for Collins succeed indicates it shows to Gina single-seater teams that they don't just have to stay level forever, which F one is such a closed. Shop these days, I love the fat Collins gone. Okay. Guys, Wendy car. Instead. I'd like to see a female teams have the opportunity, and, and I think calling she sharing. The IndyCar is conquerable would be great for that. But I do think it will take years with the strength of the lines of Penske Andretti. I'm gonna say, hey, Google pixel fans for a limited time, get both are sprint unlimited plan and the all new Google. Pixel three included for under thirty five dollars per month per line for five lines. All you need is approved credit eighteen month lease in a new line of service. 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He would you put your money on, if you had say at the moment, I think the Cup into cars, probably the best role pace overall and nothing at cop into the driver in that lineup with the experience to make it happen on race day that says Penske and very operational strong. Winds them making team to any mistakes in the right situation site. Obey interest is if Pence has the strongest package, I will be ready fast night, save passion. I can keep up the whole rice because I think it's I think it's best Indy. Five hundred result before. Sake. These not had stunning form this particular rice, and he still wouldn't regard him as a massive able specialist, even though he has like Cohn cadet degree now money on cop into this time. Thing agree with nothing. The one customer have into who gonna be the surprise teams that come in play a role at the front we seen right? Hole in Schmidt pace. In particular, have been position to solve the biggest threats to the big three in an indicator yet Indy five hundred never seen to be able to, to put together in recent years. This time Ryan patients qualified a bit better dole, coin, his in very good position, Sebastian board. I can they do it in the rice rifles in capes issues while they can join it and make it a real real spectacle front Philip Buddha in coin could be a factor, because that seems to be getting better and better, heavy great story. There is good pacer. We not we don't have good. Bill isn't Dale Coyne, who was Osip perennial well as joy. Don't make the cut for a five hundred attempts to qualify. Many times that for a long time team. That was that was kinda down the back page over fought. But that, that would be a sensational service. Eat so much luck to go to go for you. I mean Jones could be interesting as a Cup Toco finish third in two thousand seventeen I did it you'll see rookie of the year is a is a Alonzo. One Jones was was that, that behind sorta customer. So get drives ten up and just have a real affinity with with Indiannapolis with this race. And I think I think Jones falls into that categories. He's performed stronger. Indian has now the places, and again, suddenly had had the big break with gase last year. Probably seen. So he's having a little bit of a career Ray rehabilitation with this skewed recourse or an Ed carpenter entry this year, birthing, he could semi top three on Sunday. The question is, Colton Hata. Who did it did a great job? He's, he's learning Feth one Elston recently as the, the kind of current that the poster child for the next generation of IndyCar drivers. I guess you'd say from a strong Gripens again, that's a call. It looks like it's called the pace to be in the conversation. Certainly jammies a good package. And a good young drive. We've seen so far. I mean K Harding have really turned around the season where you look at the beginning at the when the whole world situation and how that team's going to continue to totally banish any of those concerns were winning Austin, non easy, one Indy-Car quite random. You can't have the drivers surprises in wins a race. And then you don't really see anything from the Mcgann baseman consistently at the front. Now. He's gonna change Indy. Five hundred of the inexperience will show which and see if he can keep himself in and around the ballot the front. Yeah. He's been fascinating this year. A little bit. Let the pinch yourself about Alonso being knocked in DC, -tuation, editing. The reports coming from testing at the start of the, I'm gonna find another, Colton hooded pitcher for this for the full session in the row and just waiting for that to change. When it comes the real thing and racing. You know, there's some of the Indika rules do help rookies a little bit with bits of extra. Time and stuff, which is great. I think I'm very proud of that. But the Colson hers is done in the team that has let disruption stunt of the, the second car, not happening was in the press. Very negative reasons because I wasn't shy about expressing his displeasure about that. Dr fooling through. Just been spectacular is, is qualifying run was great to watch it. He's a character as well is a good talker. He's quite fun. These. Hilla. He can appear on the low social media clips and bans attaining things is the right age to count trip. Even new demographic Indika, which which is good. You know this phenomenal drivers in IndyCar, but a lot of being there quite a while now in the idea of Ugandan Hurter, perhaps, knocking lumps, reach other in so friendly competitive way into the future and being funny by afterwards that, that boats wealth, this Aries, it's great Hurter as well, because when that situation happened, he for some reason to take all the brunt because of his last name, he didn't rise that it's all, and he's really Prut those doubts as wrong in showing that the talent he showed in quite depleted. Indy lights field was was very genuine. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And I was a of the young fans. So for me burn her to was the was the nemesis, when I was so sixteen in the pinion ated. So it's quite is quite fun for Colin Hearst to be the one doing the, the spectacular racing and saying series along this in a way that. At his, his dad's nemesis naughty, but yeah, twenty something years ago. The amazing thing is how many people are out. You can make a compelling case winning everybody mentioned Spencer. Picker third. He's another driver, who doesn't necessarily have the, the this level. You know, he's, he's been strong should be consigned willpower. Lineup sakes, finally wanna, you know, hippy hippy chasing, for chasing a second of new garden, and even outside the false. Nine you've got east drivers lurking around Hellier catchy nervous. He's trying to get that Lisa full victory dropping back into IndyCar. Pence starts twelve. Marco Andretti has had some good runs in the ends of sleet. It's not acceptable franchisees to win in the. It did happen. But Marco Andretti has finished second lassie's and other ones that came assaults down there in full takes another form of winter grime. Raoul's been pretty strong narrate. So I'm Scott Dixon, another full waiting eight. There's just so many of these drivers who should be in the in the mix. I think Marco Andretti could do with winning Indianapolis justify still being in the failed because he has been them many as a Hanes, turnarounds never quite happened. There's been another team reshuffle and still don't quite happened for him. He's fantastic, Indianapolis. That's a win for him would be an amazing story because of all the Andretti families mostly painful heritage in the end markers, slightly painful heritage indigo came so close. Astonishing result in his rookie season has never been in that position again, since I don't I don't begrudge Marco Andretti's presence in the failed by do think if you look at it completely objectively is quite hard to justify on, on results and a nice way to show. Everyone, including me out pizza to win India last. Begrudge an Andretti winning. If you look at it, you know, he has go, you know, he's got second thirds. So so he has been consistently decent there at the very least even if he's been been outshone by, by other joy, at she wouldn't draw mentioned, his Marcus Eiriksson thing. Yeah. Except one driver, you know, done quietly courtly job while Alonso's, folks. News, just had a, an unobtrusive months, iphones, and looks to bait somebody's capable of getting its tunnels fezzet AMI's made each made a very encouraging start to his IndyCar career when you think one of the big big questions for him saying this, you open towards being quite daunting. The evill training the experience. You've got to get behind it as well. But action Shannon, we saw each math foreign in. It was goes into the right but he is very, very capable driver. And certainly with the Hinchcliffe problems going on, as well at really demonstrates just how well he's put it together. So he's coming with a good teams make IndyCar debut with us. Well, thank you can learn under the radar a little bit with Smith pizzas is a very strong team. It is not team. You expect to win every week Rosen Chris's being spectacular quick. It can ASI. In some ways, it's made a road for his own Bank with that, because you expect can be fighting for titles, and to come and be as quick as Dixon on single pastry away, and yet to still don't wanna race like a whole three months into the season that seems like a disappointment for rose. And Chris, given how fast these Bain, which is obviously nonsense issue fine for rookie. But Eriksson hasn't got that expectation didn't come in his highly rates Rosen. Christie's not with a team that's in the spotlight in the same way, but he sees Germany doing very competent. Shop is exit from the indie road. Course race was a embarrassing early. Yeah. I'm intrigued to see how he how he gets on in, in the five hundred he'll be a massive culture, shock for him the same as it will be for any rookie going into that race with that crowds with thirty two cars around you in the evening in the way it does. But yeah. Top ten for being amazing results. I think it's possible. Rather than just constantly naming because many drive, I guess we should ask about what kind of race, we expect to see because last year we saw a fairly flat ratio. We say because of the way the cars were was a bunch of professional one twenty seven or more dramatic price changes have been made to the arrow and a little bit. So that's is, as well to try and make it better for for rising. Do we have a feel sofa for what it's like to be to be like? Yeah. I mean, I'm glad you said at Kazakh sticker saying it last year. The rices quite dull FM. Yeah. I mean Indika has has reacted. This been plenty of subtle error. Tweaks changes to the cars from from the limited bits of qualifying practice. I've seen it said he looks like following a little bit more predictable, which was the, the key thing. It's not about having a draft pack ration- as to you. If you enjoy that or not it's about being consistent car. The behaves firemen he got ridiculous scenes share. We have experienced drivers Castroneves Patrick, or the college step out. On the Nathan. It's spin out of the rice. And the consistent thing was no one could read understand one. If this was happening nor wants to see that you want wanna see a probably competitive close race, and you don't want to be concentrating shots easy to give and take but not to see a bit of how much you have to work your way up through the field. Yeah. I'm a hate being indicates position really. Pro pretty much two decades now how to get the area package. Right. For nobles so that you haven't got Pat gracing, be do have passing is not completely professional, you know, having people having the air, taking off them, in strange ways bizarre things happen to the car's behavior. You know, having aerial shunts anything's. You bear in mind and keep tinkering with wing positions. And, and owns entire packages to try to make it work and every year is the cars. Get tweet a little bit more new things. Tonk compounds changes. Always another mind fit in the minefield IndyCar has to try to avoid stepping in. But, like what we really want to see you don't see tons, and tons of crazy passing impact rising and being on that someone won't just gap hind, the car, and then just draft passed easily. You don't say procession either you wanted to be just right. So the overtaking is quite difficult, but no impossible says drown behind it. Didn't think 2017 package was too bad in that respect. But obviously everything's changed massively since then with the with era kits. Yeah. I sympathize massively with Indika has do keep speeds safe ish, sensible heat, rising possible and save teams from Samson extent where teams will develop mccown, quake necessarily occur at super stable in traffic will provides great wheel-to-wheel racing and allow development spec in IndyCar, but you know with what teams candy there, folks will be how can I win this race? Not how could get spectacle. They seem to have had success with trying to keep the calls on the ground though. Because we seen shunts happened, the cause of lifted award cliff, for example, they've stayed the, the right way up. So from that perspective, positive that we should say, a few of those shunts, quite familiar, recite the sultan's. We saw last year with a just regard. So that that's thing just makes you wonder if you may see a little bit of the caution again again this year yet. True. True. I wouldn't say India's. No, unsafe race is a race where big crashes can happen in the area. Packages is a big critical to how about those crushes conveyor is when you sort of go into just holding breath, a tiny bay to see what, what happens in the drivers have been hurt there in recent years, and Dr Mazen escapes in recent years, Dixon's crash in twenty seventeen is still high up there on the list of crises. You can't go how was he not really badly her in walk away from that? Yeah, it's a light cited this year, we've had been crashes, have not turned into horrendous crashes in practice, and that's given Ray showing those as a final final thing because we know our hardest races to protect all. I'm gonna get everyone's physically definitively to the most of most of one driver. As to who's going to win just just a little bit of fun. So we can probably find the Dr your windy someone. We haven't even mentioned because so many things can happen there. And you get out of sync fuel strategy, and strange things can can happen, there Birt's. Yeah. If you, if you had to have a punch on one who if, if you don't you, I thanks to the pressure and a set in an upcoming video that we passionate. So to hedge, my bets on this while I'll say Boorda this time just for big great story. Nothing more than that day early. And we know we can compete hunger any amazing reason why he would damn I just finished. Could be him if we taken the approach of let's gophers out that will be fun is possible rather than the boring. I think this is much more interesting, expensive picket. Oh, nice. Okay. That takes the takes Cup into com- winning, which is an and underdog and a young promising driver, who needs a career break in a way, you know, he's doing well with with carpenter, but pig. No name on people's lives, particularly in the moment and indie way in which he was fastest in, in the main Pont qualifying that shows as quick around here, I will officially put my, my fake tenor on Spencer, Pagot, winning Indy five hundred and you have to choose someone while at well leaning towards the best, you die. Basher. Taking on gonna go fatty boringly with willpower, actually, as of Cisco leaks variance in the world. I mean he's willpower. So something unfortunate with elite before actually stop to stop him from winning PC. He certainly isn't AVI greater luck on race day despite despite all these. Yeah. I think he's, he's a guy who needs another Indy five hundred went on and somehow at some point Castro and keenum contrive to lead the rights for a bit, because that's just the romantic thing to happen. You can't rule out Custer service. He knows what he's doing. Yeah, yeah, I should've call under an amazing story for, for the, the, the so one of offense, six to the, the, the road course rice and the run out. So I think that's the great thing about this race in so many potential winners. And you know, it could be it could be one just on a straightforward rice. If he's quickest could be in, in terms of just feel marriage from a few years ago with that, that brilliant run. And Bryan Herta the radio so calling right now you can get into the line. Rossi's a quick drive around. Exactly. And he's going to be the contender. I think that's the thing. That's great about indie. There are different ways to win and it is a race where locking go against you and take you out of contention for knife on your own, but you can get these remarkable situations. We had lost year. Steph Wilson leading quite nice admittedly on strategy, but you never noticed that. 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Ep123: Sugar, Spice & Radiating Values

So, Here's My Story...

27:11 min | 11 months ago

Ep123: Sugar, Spice & Radiating Values

"You can't have it both ways it can't be okay for companies to do the thing as long as you agree with them but not okay for them to read their values. I use if you don't agree with them. Business is messy and unpredictable. Sometimes lonely and inspiration can often come. I'm from really weird places. We pick up where the bullet point blogs and the highlight reels. Leave off we start with stories. Welcome back to. So here's my story. I'm jody I'm Elliot and today we have a really interesting and somewhat out of character story that Jodi Odi brings us that I think if I remember it correctly starts with Paprika and ends with Ellen Degeneres Might Mike Patton in the middleweight. We talk about really values and and where you stand and the ramifications of being So here's my story And people probably seen this Because it's been around on the social media but I think this is so interesting Even not from a political standpoint necessarily but I just read that there is the Spice Company the pansies Spice Company that other than trump himself itself has spent more on impeachment ads. Now of course. Trump's were anti impeachment so he spent with close to a million dollars on facebook and social media and whatever corrals ads for like anti impeachment. This spice company has spent close to I believe is like a hundred thousand dollars on pro impeachment ads. You mean you mean like a Paprika Peppers Pacers yes yes spice spices. Yes so. Interestingly at the time of this article coming out on the Washington suppose. I don't remember what the article was. I think it was Washington Post He had spent the spice company actually spent more money than even the other candidate the other Democratic candidates. It's for real. Yeah but and he's the spice company so the interesting thing to me was not that I mean that is fascinating in reasonable on the so that would have been interesting to me for a million reasons. It probably wouldn't have sparked my This should be an episode. This is what did I was reading the article and I'm actually going to read it so I get it right but those in a telephone interview. Panzi said he was a little surprised to learn of the distinction. He had earned by being the second biggest spender on impeachment ads. That's partly because he. He says he doesn't see what he's putting out there to be purely politically motivated. Which is what I saw me talking? Now that's what I had assumed like. Here's a guy who's like our. I've got an extra Brian. I'm going to spend money to get this guy impeached. That's not his point and this is why I think it's worth and episode. He said that's partly because he doesn't see what he's putting out there to be purely politically-motivated quote I'm running ads to run a business. He says and so much of that is using your business to radiate your values. That's it's really interesting right so so obviously it's political. He's not pretending it's not politically motivated partisan partisan. But here's what got me thinking and it's so fascinating when somebody does a thing like that for a thing that you care about you're like Yay Spice Company. I've seen tons of my liberal friends or like well. I'm buying spices now spices. They don't even need to support that thing. The opposite happens when a company that you don't like does that and be lobby hobby lobby. Yes Sir Fillets I have a lot of exact same friends or like damn it. I really love the nuggets. But I'm not buying chick-fil-a same friends so so those those is people are chick-fil-a atheists. Did you just make that up. No I wish I could gone mad problem though. It'd be impressed all right okay. Less impressed now. But thank you thinking of it. Absolutely chick-fil-a theus. That's really when you don't believe there should be closed on Sunday. But here's the thing. Maybe this is obvious but I feel like it's not because I see people get angry that accompany and the two versions. I just cited lighted this end of the spectrum is if you're a liberal leaning person they're the exact same concern you know. The exact same thing happens if you are on the other end of the spectrum and I think I think the part that gets lost. Sometimes it's like if you disagree with the the value statement that somebody is making by radiating their values with their business. Do you think they are bad like they shouldn't be allowed to do that. I have had that reaction before and I do think there are nuances to this. There's a difference in. I'm throwing my money behind this thing verses the decisions you're making affecting the people who work there you know there's a lot of layers here and we probably won't be able to get into all those nuances so that the you know I'm GonNa WanNa caveat a lot of things we say here but there's this over arching thing that when you have a business or when you have a human form German that you get to save things you have the opportunity to radiate your values and then that will have consequences consequences that you have to be ready to take. Hey you know to accept I mean and that's kind of the point. There's a million things that sparked my brain so I'm gonNA stop talking so percival on or go back to it is is kind of the point. I mean as I've heard in front of mine always says is that people like vanilla but nobody loves vanilla might so and that goes to standing for something being something other than just middle. That said. There's an argument and this is on the political side north of the business side. But there's an argument that you don't get to who applaud the Spice Company and condemn the jake or the baker. That won't make a cake for a gay wedding. I mean that's is the crazy nuance because I do. I absolutely do because I think one is very hurtful and exclusive in an exclusionary and there are so many things wrapped up in that. But that's because it aligns with my values yes and so there but they are on the same spectrum things just like chick-fil-a on Not Not Opening on Sundays and hobby lobby And who was at the owner of a certain sports I'd like say the Miami Dolphins so I will the Miami. The offense was really castigated and people are talking about boycotting because he was gay and soul cycle. It was the same thing because they were donating a lot of the trump campaign. So who didn't agree with that you know. And he wasn't even doing it through. The business was doing it through personally but he was the owner of these. So so yeah I I do think that the there dot EU you reference them but then you didn't know that that's the same. I think that's the same thing people castigate instigate these people for radiating their values or for standing up for their values and they say that's horrible as if the business should be neutral. I'm I don't think the business or the business owners nor should be taking a position on this right so that that is okay. There's there's two sides to this and I hope it doesn't get confusing if we keep bouncing back and forth between the two as as a human outside of these businesses I think part of your getting to the negative. One thing. I wanted to hit on here is you you have. It is totally. I find to be like Yay. I WANNA buy spices and I hate your stand on that. I will never buy your nuggets again. That is okay. That is kind of the point to like when you radiate values with your business. You are putting out a sign that you're putting out a a beacon that people will other either say say yes. I support that or no. I don't support that. So that is the choice. You make So flipping over for a second. If you're a business owner or a person who makes a stand about a thing thing you have to know that you can't make the stand and then expect people to be neutral about it and and so that that comes back to the other side if if you As a person outside of those things. It's totally Catholic support. One and think the other one is angry. But you can't support the ones you're aligned aligned with and then have the expectations that people who have values different aren't allowed to radiate their values with a business. No that's that's very true. WHO BUT THERE'S A? There's a good argument that really. If you're in the food business all you really need to do is make really good nuggets and so this the spice company owner made a decision that he's going to use the The social media platform of the Spice Company to project values in a highly charged atmosphere in which even reasonable people can disagree And so that's his right. That's his company he can. He can do that. Although the part of it that strikes me is what if I were an employee of hobby lobby and I really needed the job. But I don't agree with their politics. Or what if I'm an employee of the bakery that won't Cater to a gay wedding and I really need the job but I don't agree with their politics tricks. So you're speaking. I don't mind if you speak for you but I think we're businesses get into difficulties. Where they speak for all of the people that You know wear that uniform or Indika paycheck to. Here's what I think. This is the courts kind of critical path in the thinking. Because I think the problem is they all get completed into one blur of a concept. And that's where it gets confusing or contentious especially so there's first level is our businesses it allowed to or is it okay. That businesses radiate their values through the business. If it isn't an all businesses are supposed to be completely neutral troll and you can't make stands about what you believe in that's fine like maybe that's okay but then I'm not sure who decides what neutral even is like like If you take the bakery and say you know because I don't think it's I think it's terrible that you can say I'm not going to make you a cake because it's a gay wedding but if I substitute gay wedding with something egregious that I find awful like like can I be forced to rally not. Can I before if I met Baker can I in. It's me instead of that person. Can I be forced to make a really great cake for a white nationalist racist insult COE convention like like. I don't WanNa make that cake. And but so. But that's the thing is like you can't have both swim. Lanes it either has to be okay for business to radiate their values with their choices choices or not now again. Here's the nuances come. In of of rights in effect I would I but again these are my values. I make a huge distinction between gay wedding and and somebody who feels horrible to me but those are my values is why it gets real. This is this is like a hot hot pot of because I hear things coming out of my mouth that I don't even like the way it sounds that I'm making a distinction or where I don't want to make a distinction but that's because those those are my values and that's why it's like we all have this filter values so if it's okay for businesses to radiate their values which I don't know where else to go but that being a yes because otherwise that feels like some sort of strange communist state or something then the then. This conversation comes up of if that's okay. Then what has to be okay is knowing that you're going to say I pick yes to that and no to that but it can't can't but it can't be like I guess to the ones I agree with and the other one's shouldn't be allowed to do what they radiate their values so it's like the circular reference of I think is it okay or not okay. No and then. That's true but I'll tell you so. I decided I would never never have a political post on any of with my law firm marketing platform social media platforms etc.. I don't I have people I know. I have people of all political persuasions and they don't come to me for my political advice. It's the company for legal advice and I want their businesses to succeed etc.. And I do remember when I was a kid. My Dad Had A financial adviser that he really liked but he found out the financial advisor was deeply into This this big Evangelical publishing world and it was the kind that that says okay that our way is the only way and everybody else's has not found got et CETERA. And that's a perfectly legitimate way to feel if you feel that way but of course we're Jewish and so he wasn't comfortable with his bind so he parted ways with the financial advisor. His financial adviser was broadcasting. Broadcasting is values. They weren't shared by father and he parted ways And that's and that's perfectly fine where I get into a lot of difficulty. Is that that on my facebook page on my personal facebook page. I'm not really exclusionary like all of these other people don't feel like I do or going to hell or something like that but my politics are known liberal and and I I will support or like or whatever more liberal causes but the line is so so blurred because I get friend requests all the time from really people who are clients I know professionally joke around on the phone but it's a professional relationship we don't go to each other we don't know each other's kids and we don't go to barbecues and things like that so now it's it's almost as if there is no private platform at four anymore every especially when the name of my company is saying no or you know but if you're the standard bearer anybody who's a CEO or well known in their company any All of a sudden people look at them. And if they're going to the on a pick somebody you know the Corey Booker Rally Than Oh okay. Well a you've been he's associated with that said this is this is I get. This topic comes up in leadership conversations all the time and it never did ten years ago because it used to be that you know. The the political divide was not a gigantic divide. You know for for the most of history at least my adult life differences in politics primarily like economic decisions. Yeah I mean there were people who I thought had very different views than me. But they weren't that. The voice over trickled down economics. Well actually they do but But but not much not ten years ago. You know that's it. I think I think things before felt like differences of opinion versus what now feels like differences of like humanity so now it feels so much more highly charged and and you said like I don't you know I have a wide ray of people leave but but you have boundaries on that. I mean kind of like what you're saying it's like yes you have. Clients are far more conservative than you are. But you but you know but but you don't have like a giant contingent of like white nationalists. No I have A. I have a strict. No I won't say it because we're on the clean and not experience but I have a strict no ex- policy and you're right. I'm not going to represent and work with people whose values refund abhorrent to my right and it's funny because I have had to be making these these I think a lot of business owners are having to make a lot more or decisions about where their values are. And what your I think. More people in general on a personal level have made stronger decisions about whether values we use our and now for entrepreneurs and business owners. You're having to decide this line of. Where do I radiate my values? You're not I think all business owners are making some even inside decisions about what what choices like where do my values show up in the company internally. Where do where do I you know not not? Everybody is buying impeachment ads like the spice companies like this sort of an extreme version of it which I thought was a great conversation starter but I think that decision of where is my personal line. It's yet another value decision of of if and because I have some I have some friends who our clients even less clients feel like businesses business and businesses are completely detached from from personal. An idol need to you like I'll do business with anybody. That's a good business move. I can't do business that way. But that's my decision and where you fall in that line of how how much I said. Here's an interesting question I think at the core of all this does does. My business radiate my values if so to what degree does is my business radio my values some of them all of them. How much does my business need to be? In absolute lockstep alignment with my values for me. The especially because of what I do that has to be pretty high Because if I frankly it this before even this conversation we're talking about like political values. Frankly if I just didn't like person I wasn't able to be as helpful to them. Somebody else might be so. That was one of my filters like if I'm not excited to talk to you I don't just like hanging out with you and chatting as we have these conversations. I'm not going to be very helpful. So that was already kind of filter for me and now it's just been kind of expanded handed like well I'll tell you in my industry it is a litmus test and it's not just values we're talking political because of the Spice Company but I have had in the past clients. Say to me. I want you to sue them. I want you to land on them with both feet. I want you to make them spend an ungodly amount of money. Because I have more than they do. I want them to hurt. And the the and that's almost verbatim quote from one thing. I'm I'm recalling. And it was well out of proportion to really. What does he knew hours for solving the problem? And you have to decide. How am I going to show up in the world? In even in drawing a contract you know have conversations with clients sake a look. You're in such superior bargaining position. If we put this in it would be a grievous. No it's not right yes it doesn't he's not be fair like fifty percent just equal. The I'm not there lawyer. A Mike clients loyalty same time. There's a fairness line so yes I guess that I love that example for two reasons one because I wanNA point out somebody saying that to you is like the cartoons with dollar signs rare rare. That's basically saying like I will write you an infant chess business anything you want. But you know it's funny. I had a client who probably would have used use those words and I recommended him to a different lawyer whereas other times I drop your name for. That's that's what you know. No it's because because I literally had thought this is not the kind of law that Elliot does like Elliot Will Elliott is Elliott's going to make we're going to ask the questions linked to get to the bottom of what you really want. Because I am not going to go just like inflict pain for pain's sake. That's not what you do and so I sent him to somebody else that that that is kind of the point though like I do recommend you quite a lot. Frankly because you you I have come to you I actually. There was one time I came to you kind of irate about a thing and I was like what can I do. I was a little bit in that state of like. I'm going to do this one. You're like what are you really after and you made me calm Tom Down and look at the truth of it and get clear and actually there was nothing for me to do which meant no dollars for you. But that's the fascinating point of business is the values dollars. They don't always have to be counter intuitive but sometimes they are sometimes there. Are you know. Are you really going to push the heart up seller. You're going to you know what do you what do you stand for. But but on the political side the other things are the ramifications. So I've had this come up more and more often now in one is is in my mind Very clearly do have. There's this client that does have their political beliefs on their facebook page or not egregious for the business but the business snus owners or well known for their beliefs so they recently had an employee leave and start but left tried to take business snus and sent text messages to them citing their beliefs. And saying I will make it my life's mission to destroy you. Those were literally they uh-huh and then there was a string of profanities that I'm not going to say here. And they filed a discrimination claim. The employee filed a discrimination claim Based on a number of different factors and we sent the text messages into the EEOC into the government where the where the government agency where the claim was found now in that could go one of two ways because the person who is the case worker for the Government Agency with appalled told by the employees text messages and we learned happens to agree with my clients political stance And so oh that case never saw the light of day but I'm clear. So here's the fascinating thing. This is lovely is a perfect example. Because I don't the way you told told the story and therefore still don't know whether the values that that person is making a really like I will take this to my grave whether those aligned with mine or not and if I imagine that they do if the person making the complaint if I agree with them than I am upset by the fact that never saw the light of day in fact I got like angry and very emotional. Dare the dare they if I don't agree with them. I'm like yeah I should be delighted day and this is my point. This is my point and so it's it's this I. I think that I think that the scary thing and I think that's why a lot of people choose to not radiate their values with their business is that when you imagine agean radiating your values or making a stand for something it'd be very direct and outspoken. You can romanticize the leg. The part where lots of people were like. Yeah and that's a lot of fun but you have to realize that that will also probably come with a lot of hate and it's it's this is kind of an off me right now. It's the like is one of two things happening. They're probably a lot of people out there who will never buy those spices again. There are tons of people who are buying the spices on purpose. Now because they want to support that company and I think this idea as we're con- closer of of radiating your values with your business but decision you're really making is is comes back to that marketing quote. We used way. I've I've quoted here a few times before of having everything about your business being this dog whistle that only your ideal clients science or your people. Whatever in this case can here and so? If you're going to do that you have to know that like you will get both the more you do it in the louder. It is and the more of standard is you will get more love and more hates and like the the both will come and you have to be willing to take both those does but I think from the outside of it as well Just that awareness and came back into said here that awareness of you. You can't have it both ways. It can't be okay for companies to do the thing as long as you agree with them but not okay for them to read their values if you don't agree with them no that's true and there's one last thing I know where we're going a little bit over but what really brought this home to me. That was really interesting. Was the recent dustup with Ellen. Degeneres sitting next to George W be a Bush at a baseball game. I'll that's A. That's a terrible example. Because I have such conflicted bring us up on our twenty third. Let's see what really brought that home is ellen came out on a You know in response to a lot of the hate mail or negative comments. You receive saying that I'm going to accept people I'm going to you know we're friends. And and it was really beautiful statement that she made now I had In response to that on my facebook feed I have a good good friend of mine Who's gay and he came out with a very anti ellen message saying no no no no what George George W. Bush did he de legitimize? These he tried to change the constitution. I wouldn't have my husband. My relationship was was was not valid and so my friend Mike was making really good points to and it was literally in the moment of like when she first made that statement. I was like yeah. You know. People don't have to agree. Frankly frankly because it didn't affect me as frankly I had forgotten how much I hated that part of George Bush. Your time has the commission and then I then again I saw someone else's perspective was like. Oh my God I forgot about that part and which is terrible but true and so that I was like Oh man and I honestly don't know where I fall on that right now. I haven't quite gotten far enough to sort through my own thoughts on it. But that is kind of the Point Point Ellen is radiating her values other people are radiating their values. I'm listening to both of them. I don't know where my values because now two of my values values are actually standing there competing side by side and they're looking at each other at. I'm confused and I don't know what my I don't know how to come down on that and that is the whole whole point about I think a word that I use like twelve times a day now this like everything else in the world is not binary it like nothing like when something super simple. You aren't probably aren't thinking about everything that's involved. So that's our story the discussion. It doesn't have to end here. No it does not want it to know we don't that is why we actually have our private facebook group which we started to make sure that we could get your comments your rants your thoughts stories. We're stories you can find links to that group as well as show notes and links to subscribe via email and how to find us just about anywhere. You can possibly find podcasts at. 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19 - Nik Harter Part 2

When I'm High

38:52 min | Last month

19 - Nik Harter Part 2

"And here we go with part two of my interview with Nick Harder. So, there are some things in the world there's the outside world. And cannabis absolutely can affect them. So we're going to go through a few of these. The first one is music. How does it change your perception of music? Oh. Man. I love music so much you know and I I'm I'm a terrible dancer, but I love to dance and I love to play music really loud and my car and on my bike An- all like move my body. It looked like an idiot I don't care and we'd helps me just like do that even more I don't know music is awesome stuffed. It's so good and. Yeah I'll be more likely to sing I'll be more likely to move my body because I just I feel like a feeling in my bones more you know it just like resonates more with me and whatever emotion is in the song like I'm just picking up that emotion like three times as much when I'm done and that's why I love music is music I mean talk about something that can snap you out of it or you know calm down, you know the big one. Music. Music soothes even the savage beast. What about? And I think we think a lot of us need that I. Think we need that thing to allow us to open up a little bit more to move and dance and just. Open Up. What about the music itself when you listen to the music? Do you listen more to the mutual actual music or the lyrics or? What is that like? You know I think I do notice lyrics a little bit more at times where. I wish I could think of a specific example but. Out there, there's this one song that it's called sirens. And I thought that it was sirens the sirens that call boats from the sea. Because I wasn't really it. It has a really nice melody. It's a beautiful song and it wasn't paying too much attention lyrics guess because I listened a little closer when I was stoned one time and realize that this `Iran's when they're like sirens on the way. A, they're talking about police cars and these guys are like running from the police and stuff and it was funny because all the protests were happening and stuff the songs a lot more relevant to what's happening in my life right now than than I thought it was but But I think it makes helps me notice lyrics more helps me. like often. With that song I understood the actual meaning of the song for the first time. But other times I'll see like alternate meanings were yeah. Yeah. It'll help me like interpret song and a new way. Yeah. That's really cool because then I think that's similar to the creativity thing you're you're looking at it from another perspective you're sober brain might not have. Yeah, totally. Yeah it is totally this it's the same or similar. Yeah. So. What about movies and TV shows do those change in your brain? You look at them a different way when you're high. I don't watch movies on TV. Shows. Not. So it's hard to say. Yeah. It's you're not the first one to say that like I can't I couldn't actually tell you the last time that I watched a movie or TV show not done because that is something that I tend to do in the evenings and most evenings I'm so so so. It's I almost. and. A lot of things used to be like this where I was like I wouldn't eat unless I was stoned instead of like everything add to be stone I 'cause like being stone does make everything better but you know movies and TV is probably is still one of those few remaining things where like. If if I'm planning on watching TV show or movie my reflexes instantly just like, Oh, where the reefer at you know. So maybe that's how it's changed that experience for me is just that like if I am going to watch TV I will also be smoking weed you know Yeah. But are there any TV shows or movies that you had seen before or new? Really well before sober and then you watch them high and did they change at all You know. Have you ever seen the movie waking? Life. Boy Yeah go on for a long time about that movie. Okay. Sure. Yeah. So that movie is like the car it's an animated movie it's animated in this weird like. Oil Paint style. Would you say or it's Kinda? Realistic? It's what's all digital but it's the animation style is wrote a scope animation area, which is something that I actually dabble in. But it's all in the computers Yeah. We we won't go down that rabbit hole. It has a very interesting visual look to it and it changes because they had a bunch of different artists. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. So I've I've seen that movie maybe three or four times I've never finished. And I watched stoned. like most of those times except for once and I would usually fall asleep at some point. And there was one time when I tried to watch it sober and I don't think I made it through. I made it through like the first quarter of course it didn't make it through but I made it through the first quarter of the movie and it was just I don't know who's too heavy man. I could not get into the head space. It's a good movie. It is a good movie. But you were high at this. This know when I when I was sober it was it was. For me and it was it was just like. Oh Man, really gonNa sit through another hour and a half of this I don't know. But this could also have more to do with the fact that like watching things not highs a very rare occurrence for me. Yeah. That movie is very heady anyway I and so. For, those who have never seen at first of all, you should definitely go watch it visually beautiful. The music is amazing and then the the mental concepts that they're talking about we'll just. Make. You think think of things that you haven't really thought about. and. Yes sober or high I don't think it matters. But yeah I I think it is sort of hard for some people to watch it sober because. It is so heavy but I think you can with your high you can maybe actually get into it a little bit better. Yeah. I I think I would totally agree with that even though I didn't make it through the movie when I was high would always fall asleep that had more to do with it just being late at night and I was it was more. Yeah I felt like it was easier to access that sort of philosophical hetty space when when I was stoned and that that movie actually Probably because I fell asleep during it like two or three times, but it changed the way I dream. or around the or rather a gave me certain kinds of dreams because the plot of that movie is I. think that the main character is in dream or he just like he thinks. that. He's a dream or no excuse me. So he's in an dream and every time he thinks he wakes up he's in another dream again and doesn't realize it like goes to the same. You know goes through a different set of circumstances adventures and I would I started having dreams like that where I would realize that I was dreaming and I would try and wake up and I would wake up and I'd be in my room and I'd be like, Oh thank God awake and I'd like get up and like go brush my teeth or something and there'd be this you know. Man Sized Praying Mantis behind me or something I'd be like Oh shit and then I'd like wake up again and I'm like. You know back back home at my folks house in my bed or something a lot of times I would wake up in my bed like my brain was purposely fluid me. Anyway. I didn't it wasn't until recently actually like this last year because I haven't had one of those dreams for a while and I, put it together. It was like I. Think I started having those dreams after I started watching waking life whereas couldn't escape the dream man. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean that's a lot of what that movie is about. It's crazy that your your brain has decided to like pick that up a lot of what that movie is about or at least a portion of it is about lucid dreaming which, yes I think has gotten a lot more play in exposure in recent years did is that something that you've experienced being able to control your dream while you're dreaming? Yes. So yeah, and actually at the time when I was having these dreams I was I was more into it. I used to do the little tricks to cause yourself to lose lucid dream which got popular after the movie inception came out. So so one that I did was I drew in a on my hand and sharpy. and. If the A wasn't there like I would just make sure that I look at my hand periodically throughout the day. And then when you're asleep, your brain Kinda just does the same things. So when I would look at my hand, if there was no a on it, then I knew I was a dream. but having like a black a on your hand is kind of weird. So I changed to finger counting. Because When you count your fingers and a dream? You have. More than five fingers usually so So I would count my fingers regularly during the day like one, two, three, four or five, and then at night when I was dreaming try counting my fingers and be like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, I'm dreaming. But but that's that's for sure. Also part of why was having those kind of like waking life dreams. Yeah. Because I was kind of practicing lucid? Dreaming. Yeah that's crazy. We won't go into like dreams because that's a whole different. This is something that actually haven't asked people is how how does cannabis affect your sleep? Yeah. Well, you know it's kind of sad because I definitely dream last when I smoke and I think. especially with how a smoke now, which was a more in the evenings. Dream less than I used to and I still keep a dream journal. I've a very extensive dream journal, but it definitely affects my dreams a lot. I dream a lot less when I smoke which is which is a little bit of a bummer not GonNa lie, but it also helps me get to sleep. Big. Time big big time and I. You know sometimes, I'll wake up with a little bit of a we'd hangover like a little groggy but I don't really mind that. Honestly the really bothers a lot of people but I don't really mind it. You know I don't know. I feel like a wake-up kind relaxed a little bit but. Yeah it does. It does make it harder to remember my dreams just kind of a bummer. It's better to have a little bit of a we'd Hangover the alcohol hangover Oh. Yeah. One hundred percent and one hundred percent and I find that it usually fades away and I don't know I I don't mind it I also you know like I'll do my little routine like I, mentioned I meditate and stuff all usually like exercise meditate in the mornings and that kind of like resets me too. So maybe that's part of it. Yeah. That'll get you going. Yeah. Yeah. So. You mentioned food before. What is your experience food like when you're high is it? Do you notice the food different? Does it taste different to you? Yeah. I just I notice it more and I love food for me is such an important moment of like kicking back and relaxing. And you know so his pot and I just noticed that a whole lot more actually have to be careful when I'm high I have to be more mindful of. Eating slowly because food is can be so good that I'll just like snarf it down you know and. I, WANNA. Take my time to enjoy it. Yeah 'cause. Flavors pot more and I crave, and at the same time, I, crave more extreme flavors. So I'll be put in like hot sauce, a barbecue sauce or whatever you know like spicy and sweet and salty in all the things and It's funny because you would think that if if. If I'm more sensitive to flavors wouldn't need as much but no, I'm more sensitive and I want all the flavors. Yes. I feel like that. Anyway, I just love flavor I put hot sauce on so many things anyway, right? Yeah. Sauces are key sauces and gravies. That's what it's all about. It's all about now. What about the munchies you said that when you were in your friends treehouse, you guys really got the munchies. Is that something that you still experience I mean. For. Sure. For sure for sure I think I if I'm not careful I can just eat endlessly. Munchies for sure something that I experienced and actually there is there is a chemical that's released in your brain at night. I can't remember what it's called. That is sort of like having the sometimes your appetite will grow late at night I'm talking like past like ten or eleven, and that is also often when I'm stone. So the munchies can be a powerful like combining combining force there and How do you deal with that I? How do I deal with it? I deal with it by a Poor Xinning. Like I I, I'm like, okay. You'RE GONNA make one trip to the kitchen and you're gonna get everything that you're gonna eat in this one trip, and then you're done and my plate will be like freaking mountain or whatever will be carrying a bag of chips under my arm or something. But? Yeah. That's the allergists like try to like everything on this plate is what I mean and then I'm done and that usually works out. Okay. Usually always have chocolate in my room. Yeah. Usually like nimble on that but. It's a lot about self control and you know some days you don't really want to have any self control and like I'm just GonNa eat whatever I feel like, yeah. Yeah. One hundred percent and and Yeah, we definitely helps me get there when I want to be there as well. So, this next topic, you actually already brought it up briefly before it's it's a sensitive topic. So if you know go into as much or as little detail as you want, but it's all about sex what how what is what's sex like when you're high? Time definitely slows down. Which is nice. and. The normal leg. Good. tinguely sensations that I get are just even more. So right and you would think that I mean. So the I'm I'm a male identifying person in a male body etcetera right have a penis so you would think. The goal is to usually to not climax so quickly, right? As the penis owner. And You'd think perhaps that like. We would makes me more sensitive. So have might be climaxing faster rate but not though, and that's why I feel like weed insects are just so meant to be is because. I feel like the tinguely you know all like the sexy sensations that are awesome. and. It will. oftentimes, it'll make me like I'm GONNA get graphic, but it'll make me like fuck slower. You know because I just I don't need to like be pounded out or whatever. Right? Because it feels good feels good at slow slower rhythm sometimes and and it'll make me kind of like experiments a little bit more to I guess you know Yeah. I find that it gives me more control over my orgasm, which is, which is a godsend is truly yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. So the thing about. Well I guess with a lot of these topics. There's the physical side and there's the mental side for for. Food. For instance, the physical side is how it tastes but then the mental side is maybe like what your brain in is interpreting the taste or how you feel about it or whatever. Same with music rate but with this one what. are their mental feelings that come along with that with sex specifically. Like I. Don't know speak more speak more towards that. So it's like what's actually happening like what what I think about what's happening? Yeah. We're just like, what's what's the mental state? What are you thinking about it or is that any different I guess is the point than when you're sober you know do you have is your mental state changed at all? In the act of sex and there's the physical side but then there's the mental side Yeah Yeah I think I think I'm I'm more self conscious and I'm more like aware of. A my own body, a lot of the time and I think the the best that I've had stoned that was not the case because I was with someone who had cared about a lot and the super comfortable with and was total just like. Soul Body Meld you know but. I think that usually. it will make me. Think. About the fact that I'm naked and like what exactly I'm doing and where I'm putting my hands and and and like you know. How hard I'm doing this or kissing or doing whatever it is you know and and I maybe that's why it gives me a little bit more control too because it does put me a little bit more in my head. But. At the same time, I also feel more. So it almost like bands my capacity for perception a little bit I guess it's like I can be both like feeling more physical sensations and at the same time be a little bit more in my head about it. Yeah I was going to say it it brings it back to focus which I think a lot of. It it comes back to your focus. It can be either razor sharp or it can be more broad at the same time, which is really weird and I'll say that I mean. Even when I'm not stoned having sex. But certainly when I'm having sex, the goal is certainly to be present like get out get out of my head. And that's that's when that's when sex on. Cannabis really become like amazing yeah yeah. So moving on a little bit Do you think that your your view of the world has changed at all since you started getting high when you were younger? Yeah. So you know I, think this is gonNA be different. With weed culture for for kids nowadays. But I think it just may be more rebellious. My parents were really strict about pot-smoking when I was younger right and not as strict about alcohol not nearly as strict and so I think this happens with the law donors. Especially, stunners from back in days when. Pot was legal in all states in Steph or illegal allstate's excuse me. That it made me question things like it made me question. Authority in general and certainly my parents it's like where what do you really know about pot and how dangerous it is when like you're not really upset about me drinking ear not okay with me smoking pot you know and then they'll be like, oh, well, it's just because it's illegal and then then I look into that. It's like well, why is pot illegal? This is ridiculous. It makes. Yeah I. Think it made me. more, likely. To. Be. Rebellious and questioning like different kinds of authority and whatnot, and I'm actually really curious to see if that'll be the case with like young-stone owners is now who are coming up in a world where weed is legal if if smoking pot engenders the same kind of questioning authority but But yeah, definitely did for me I'm sorry I can't even remember what the original question is now but no, that's fine. I was actually going to ask a follow up anyway. Yes I i. do think that it is going to change because the obviously the stigma against. Cannabis. Has Been lessening and lessening every year with more states, legalizing it, and then just the fact that. More. People are realizing that it's not the thing that they were trying to make us think it was all those decades ago. that people are finally can can put that away. Oh, it's not that and not only is it not that thing but it is also better and safer than alcohol or at least for most people it is and nobody's ever died from it. So yeah the I think the views on that specifically are definitely GonNa Change over the years and then the question was just how has your view of the World Changed Since you've? Started getting high. You know not just with looking at cannabis specifically, but you know just the world in general. Do you know maybe because you started at such a young age? Maybe that is a little bit harder to out it is it is Kinda hard hard hard to determine like how my view the world changed. do you ever learn like insights there you know on a certain day do you ever? Realize something because you were high. High on mushrooms may be no, I. Mean I'm sure I'm. I'm sure I've I'm sure I've had important realizations and I'm stoned. Nothing immediately jumps out at me except for that oftentimes like sometimes, I'll get into mind states were just I have like. Does and I'll be like riding a bunch of notes on my phone just a ton of my ideas. It's like my brain's just them at me an unusually stoned when I have those the moments, it's like more regular thing I don't have a specific story but But yeah you know it's it's a it's again. It's hard to say how it might have changed my view the world because they really did grow grow up with an agreement in California you know and it was this was another thing that I would tell my but it'd be like it's just part of the culture here you don't understand. I was very rebellious in terms of just. Pot in cannabis in general do do you consider yourself a pot nerd or a connoisseur? Do you? Do Care about what sort of stranger getting or do you are you not as knowledgeable about that I consider myself a partnered consider myself a pot connoisseur have grown weed. Times. I do not care that much anymore about what strains I smoke. I prefer INDIKA. But. I prefer to get lots of we'd have it in excess and I get a lot of satisfaction out of spilling we'd because. When I had less money and I had to be super sparing with my we'd. You know I remember those times very well. So it gives me a lot of satisfaction to be able to use. We'd excess spill it sometimes a little bit but to get back to your question I mean. I feel like I know a lot about about pie and pop culture. you know I've. been deep in it for like a decade now. And more more than a decade and. It's funny because I really don't care too much about which specific strain smoking these days when I used to have a medical card. I turned eighteen for a few years I. You know I had my favorite strains and. I will. We would. We would go out to all the clubs in the city. because the first time that you went to a club, they would give you something for free. So me and my best friend would like we would just like Oh from Club to club in days that we had free and stuff and get get free pot but. Yeah, and at that point I had preferences as far as specific strains and now I feel more like the reason that I would call myself a pot connoisseurs more just because like. I don't know. I just know a lot about it. I've grown it. I. Know What an all the stages of its growth. I know a lot about a lot of the slang terms. You have to be pretty knowledgeable to grow it and to know what you're doing. You know you do and you don't like. You can just despite what you'll read online because no guide to growing pie will tell you this, but you can just put a seed in the ground or like sprouted seed, and then put it in the dirt and it will grow. But if you WANNA have like anything resembling those dents snugs that you'll get from a club. Or dispensary then you have to do the things to get lights you have to get fertilizer you have to you know trauma or whatever. Permanent. Yeah Yeah so you can you can do it anybody could do it but if you want to do it, you know A certain way you have to become more knowledgeable. You had said earlier that you prefer. Indica. The typical. The typical feeling that they say is that Indika will make you more chilled out and sativa will make you a little bit more head high and and uppity it. Do you feel that in you or do you feel something different? I definitely feel that and I think that for me on balance I tend to be a little bit more operating that kind of like a bullet level then Alica level. And Sativa like Sativa does not help me sleep nearly as much. For example, if I smoke sativa it'll be more likely to be put me in that heads base where I'm like Oh, man that's a cool idea a right don't that's cool mindy. Right that town and Yes I do I definitely notice the difference between two a lot of times I'm smoking hybrid. So it's it's. A little more subtle and experiences a little more mixed but. Yes I think I feel like Indika helps me a little be a little bit more on that like. Level and not so on the. Right. Yeah. I'm going to have to use those those sounds going forward. Yeah I think that makes sense that if you're a person who tends to be more high energy anyway than you need that balance. Balance it out daytime. CD. Is actually a really great for that too Okay Yeah The CBD is interesting these days because. It's so prevalent. You can get it in. So many places now, which is just weird but I also think that a lot of companies are not putting either they're not putting as much in their as they say they are or the amount is not really anything that is going to do anything so. This is to the listeners. The little bit that I know is if you do wanna go get something like that, make sure that it's coming from a reputable source and it actually has what it claims to have, and it's going to do what it's going to do. Don't waste your money on anything. You probably know more about that than I. Do I'm you know so? That's absolutely true generally if you buy CBD products from a club or dispensary than they'll be. legit. Yeah. They'll be legit when you buy CD products from like a grocery store or a drug store or something that CBD's made from hemp. and. So it's just CBD. There's not. There's there's not even like trace amounts of tnn really like maybe Tracy Tracy, Tracy. But like not really and CBD that you get. At dispensaries tends to have a little bit more THC and tends to have a more robust set of they're called cannabinoid interpret installed gyms winner but. and they'll have a more robust robust said of these. Things that get you Not Stoned but affect your mind body more subtle ways right. Yeah. Because that I mean, that's something that were still learning about as a society what are all of these things in there and what do they do, but from what I understand they work together and when you get rid of all those other ones and you just have the CD, it's not necessarily going to do what it needs to do. You actually do need some of those other things or you know small amounts of those other things. And Yeah, yeah. You can't see me but not in my head like Yep Yep that's at the rate braves. The visual medium is lacking. If you look at your life and you and you look at how much pot is a part of your life what would what does that look like to? Is there a percentage? Of. How much of its a part of your life? Yeah. I mean I would say that it is. Twenty five to thirty, three percent my life because I am about that percent of the time stoned. Good way to figure it out right kind of literal but but you know. I I do does maybe it's a little larger of a percent just because I do and I think probably because I've been smoking for so long it's definitely part of my identity and even in times when I'm smoking pot, which is not right now I'll still I'll tell people miss owner and I will always tell people that. So maybe a little bit larger percent inch because of that. Yeah. Maybe someday, I'll create a math formula that factors in all these different things. Then you can combine them to figure out you know your percentage of how much pot is in your life. Yeah. Do you think your feelings towards it have changed over the years I think I think yeah I for sure. Yeah. I was like every day. All Day type is known for for many years, and then I took my I like longer break from smoking pot and I've actually seen other people experience this exact same thing where they'll smoke basically every day for for many years and they'll take their first break and then when they come back to it, it's different and that definitely happened to me and. It was different in the way where. It wasn't always chill anymore sometimes like it was such a part of my life I guess before that that it it pretty much always made me feel better and more relaxed and and then when I took that I break, which was really only two or three weeks. And I must've been nineteen or twenty. And it came back to it in all of a sudden. Sometimes I would smoke pot and not have a good time. It'd be like paranoid or just. To my head or yeah, which was weird. So it definitely changed my perspective on it when I realized that it was hard for me to understand. People that didn't enjoy pot before I did get it but it didn't really get it. You know I was understanding of it, but I didn't really get it and then that then I got it, I was like Oh, this is what Like my friend Jesse he ended up not really being a huge fan of cannabis and I thought like this must be Jesse feels like when he smokes pot used. You know and I since then has my like perspective of it changed or. Attitude towards it changed. I don't know I. Don't know I think. I. Well, let's look at the future. You know what do you think your your future with it will be like. I think that it will I think I. I really do. Think that it will always be part of my life and to one degree or another and I certainly go through phases where I'm smoking more and smoking last renowned smoking more. This goes back to one of your first questions about. You know if I had to choose one alcohol or weed an indefinitely be cannabis. Because? You know it's kind of my body. I like the way it makes me think a lot of the time. It just seems less destructive a lot of ways it seems a lot safer. And I'm really glad that I'm growing up in a time where I remember when I was a kid. People would always say like Oh you're in your into pot now, but you'll grow out of it. You know and and even as I started become an adult I heard that a lot from adults who are like, Oh, I used to be in pot into pot, but I grew out of it and I always thought those kind of be s it's like well did you for the same reason and it's like did you grow out of booze? No, he's still like okay well, I'm probably not going to grow out of cannabis and I and I don't i. don't I don't I see myself ever not. Appreciating and enjoying it. And do you think a lot of people have sort of grown out of it because of the legal reasons that up until recently was illegal all over the place? Yeah. Yeah. I mean I think that when people say, Oh, you'll grow out of it. What they meant was some version of like. Oh at some point you know you'll be to sketched out to to use cannabis or it was just. So you know an also when it was legal, it was associated like if you're a pot smoker was like you were part pot smoker and that was definitely like a really big part of your identity you know I think maybe that and that had a lot to do with the fact that it was legal. And I think that is perhaps also why when people got older like not really like a big pot smoker whatever you know and you know people get jobs where they get drug tested and then you have to stop smoking. And then I think a lot of people have that experience like what happened to me will were they'll smoke a lot when they're younger. We'll have that I break from it and then they come back and it's different all of a sudden. Yeah. It's amazing. How much we change just physically and mentally as we get older I know I'm not the same person that I was five ten, fifteen twenty years ago and your relationship with alcohol alcohol or pot or whatever is going to change along with that. It's kind of unavoidable. For. Sure. And the other thing I was going to say you sort of touched on it is a lot of people also like. You need to become an adult a responsible adult, and so you know smoking pot was when they were younger was probably a former rebellion and then you let that go but like you said, they also don't usually quit alcohol which is similar but almost worse in a lot of ways. Yeah. I mean arguably and you actually touched on key point there because there's this idea that you'd like that I think is now fading out of the culture. But there there is this idea that you can't be like a responsible grownup person also a pot smoker like all pot smokers are reprobate lazy hippies or something you know and that's obviously not the case and I think that's Just becoming. More and more apparent to the point where it's not even an issue in places where it's where it's legal now yeah. It's going to be really interesting to see what happens in the next five or ten years with that. Yeah. The culture is GonNa Change a lot I think and my last question is What do you WanNa, say to pot you know if it were in the room with you right now what it probably is but what do you want to say to it Just. Thank you just thank you so much such a gift to the earth and I can't wait until we discover out more out about it like about all these different rand molecules, all the other cannabinoid interpretions and whatnot that are in that could have really important medical benefits. I'm very excited for the future of cannabis and what she has to bring to the world I mean, and thank. Thank you. So personally for what you've done in my own life and the relief that you've shown me. Speaking of cannabis and I'm so excited for what what she has yet to to reveal to us, and if if you were not able to enjoy pot anymore for whatever reason is there anything that you would want it to know or her to know to use your words? Yeah Yeah. Yeah I don't you know I. Her hymns an interesting question, but So is there anything I would want her to know? Yeah. Yeah. Other Than Your appreciative nece. No Now just that she's loved. It I love it I love it. That's a good good place to end You haven't heard it yet but in a couple of weeks, the episode with that question will be airing and it's one of my favorites just because I love I love hearing people express their love for it. They've said very similar things to what you said which you've really helped me and helped a lot of other people and it's it's beautiful. Yeah Yeah. It's a good question to end the interview with two 'cause. Now I'm just been thinking about and I do I do appreciate canvas so much like I think it has improved my life in a lot of a lot of ways. Yeah. That's awesome to hear. So thank you to cannabis. Thank you to nick for being my guest on this podcast, sir. I appreciate it. Yeah and any any last words you Know just thanks man it's been. It's been fun I Love I. Love Being Interviewed School. I've done a fair amount of being on the other side and it's it's it's nice and and thank you those. Great. Awesome. And so in the next episode to my listeners You will be hearing another interview. At. The time of recording this I have not even scheduled one. I've been trying I've been sending out two messages, but it's You know some people don't necessarily want to talk about this, but we'll find one what will get your new new content soon and And then I need a sign off. I'll figure something out and tell next time captain four, twenty you don't have to use that. I WanNa, get the the phrase when I'm high in there, which is the name of the podcast. and. So something like until next time, you will hear more people use the phrase when I'm highest terrible. Anyway. But maybe I'll just record something else afterwards. But if I don't thank you for listening and until next time, this is spencer signing off from the podcast when I'm hi I'm Nicholas Harder by.

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Trend in the Clowns 4/13: Bernie Sanders, Tara Reade, George Stephanopoulos, Prayers for KAT

The Daily Zeitgeist

14:13 min | 5 months ago

Trend in the Clowns 4/13: Bernie Sanders, Tara Reade, George Stephanopoulos, Prayers for KAT

"Miles What if you could spend less time? Joe Email meetings with. UPDATES. Chainsaws Abby got me there anyways and more time doing the work that matters most to you and your team y'all absolutely I would love something like that. I would love to get a little more organized in that sense well whether you're planning your next marketing campaign or launching new products or shows or shows as we do tend to do Asana reduces the busy work that waste time and they give teams clarity, so they understand their plans and goals, and how they'll cheer them together. I liked that visit. ASANA DOT COM to try it for free. Ola My name is Santos host of Dominion, a morning show and on the move. I want to personally invite you to my new podcast. My name is Ado. Show where I'll talk to artist, community leaders and people like you. Together, we'll learn more about the triumphs and failures that empower my weekly guest. You can find my new show on the free iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to your podcast. Hello, the Internet and welcome to trend in the clown. I'm Jackie, O'Brien. That's miles, Greg. It is Monday. Afternoon, and this is what's trending ill. Yes, Hey, miles Bernie endorsed Biden. No way never saw coming. Just did it last time when got. The establishment. A. Yeah, he took. He took a little while longer right last time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm curious to know what's going on there. I I mean obviously like at this point, the bottom line for most people as like okay. Well, then now we have to defeat big orange monster fuck. but now like I'm curious to know if there. If there was something behind the scenes there that Biden might add to his platform that might make it more palatable for people on the left left to like want to vote for him without fully pinching their nose off at the polls. Right, but yeah, that'd be nice if Some Bernie supporters or like. Yeah, okay, that's kind of what we expected. Some feel betrayed I mean yeah, it depends on how disgusting you find the establishment and the level of business as usual in this country because I know. Yeah, there is definitely a small group of people who are like you know completely not with Joe Biden I. Don't think that's a huge amount of people because I think most people despite. You know disagreeing with a lot of the platform and policies of like a Joe Biden know at the end of the day like we're going to have to live in a world with one of these people as President yeah, and I mean for some people it's truly like which person who's been accused of sexual assault. Am I. GonNa vote for is I. Hear People say that, and now that story is actually starting to pick up more. So. What do we know what changed? Because that's the second thing on our list of trending topics as the terror read, who is the former Biden staffer who has accused him of sexually assaulting her in the nineties? Yeah, like I think in nineteen ninety-three. What it looks like is just you know. I think the New York Times. There's one yahoo article saying that there was a New York Times investigation. But they said they found no corroboration outside of read when they when they looked into it in one thousand, nine hundred in two thousand eight summer. Just sort of like the New York Times didn't really make much of this. And then some other depending on like how progressive the sites are like alternate is you know full on just talking about like what the allegations are and things like that. ABC's describing it as. That there someone made allegations and that's A. Yeah. I mean. That's more than what was happening weeks ago when the story first broke read I mean we were specifically asking the question why nobody's talking about this last night? When like it was last week, it was a week week and a half after people had begun talking about it, but I don't know I mean so. The New York Times on Sunday published an article examining tear. Read sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden. So I think it's more of like a history of the fact, checking process, which is something. That I was wondering when they were GONNA release. but I don't know necessarily the the details that story, so we'll have to come back to it. I know that they edited that times article like really quickly after it was published on Sunday because I was a lot of other talk about it because there, when you look on the Internet archive of like what how the article was originally published in The Times. There was this paragraph in there that said quote. No other allegations about sexual assault surfaced in the course of reporting, nor did any former Biden staff members corroborate any details of mysteries allegations. The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr Biden beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable. God, just the and now they took out. They were just sort of like they took out. That sentence shortened did a bit because yeah, like when they even say it like that. No nothing odd except the history of people saying he's like constantly violating their personal space and making them feel uncomfortable. Yeah. It's just weird that it took this long. It's almost like. The this is the thing you would have expected to becoming out the day after the allegations surfacing again so I don't know I, guess if there's. I guess. On the reporting. Yeah, but I mean to just in like the timeline of the nomination and things like that. It's like well. It's not going to harm Biden to get the nomination. And whatever then because it seems like. On twitter you see like you know big de Democrats and Republicans going into the same bag to launch assaults at each other. You'll. Your guy is also accused Yeah, okay, maybe it will cancel each other out I don't I don't I'm not sure how how they think they can approach this like sincerely. Because this is, it's really it's a story that any other time. If this this is the thing like, and if this were any candidate on the right, the left would be screaming, or at least the Democrats in Congress would be like we need a real thorough investigation to vet. These allegations and we're seeing just sort of that selective outrage. Play out on the left now not on the left on the Democrats are on the Democrats Rather. George Stephanopoulos is trending. He tested positive for covid nineteen. He said he's basically a symptomatic. Thus far so another famous person who got tested despite not having any symptoms whereas you, a lot of people around the country who are really struggling with illness can't get. I wonder if you can go to a clinic and say I'm verified on twitter. Does that change anything? To get tested now. I'm not verified, but if that will help, then that's united incentive. Yeah seems like it. I'm trying to figure out if there are more news anchors who are getting it because they continue to work and. And they're working in New York for the most part, or if they're just so many news anchors the they're just the people we've heard of their, so they're like the most populous of types of famous people who are over a certain age, but yeah, I don't know I think just like anything. We you know without these tests. We just don't know really. Do we just don't know? Get it how how prevalent it really is I mean. 'cause we were. Even you're sharing that article in our texts out about how like in California, like experts, suspect cove in nineteen was in the state like months ago. Yeah, yeah, like before. Any like I. Think there's saying back in December. It was already spreading. Is a suspicion and We just. Yeah. We just don't know I've known people who were were sick in the month before it supposedly got here, but they seemed to have a lot of the symptoms that you would associated with covid nineteen. And it'll be interesting. We're able to do the blood serum testing, but like I say tomorrow episode I. Think That's GonNa. Come down to again the George Stephanopoulos. Why and Rudy Gobert of the world are going to have access to those tests. Probably before the rest of the world I heard, they were going to give it to the most vulnerable and. In communities, totally that's that's what I in a fever game. I mean honestly a birthday based a birth date based lottery makes more sense than what we're doing currently, which is just fucking income basing it out, it's income-based. It's based on like yeah might be like I'll pay you a thousand dollars to the test, but it's like this rich person has a rich person doctor. WHO's able to get them access to things like you know there. There's just ways in America. It's not it's not. It's the opposite of a meritocracy and finally prayers for cat is trending for Karl Anthony Towns because his mother passed away from covid nineteen. It was like a huge thing weeks ago. His Hugh, I remember Yeah when his Mama contracted it, he was really distraught and trying to really. Encourage people to take this seriously and social distancing seriously in know that this says real effects. Yen unfortunately yet, his mother had passed away and people are sort of rallying around him and get showing their support. And things like that because you know like anyone you if for athletes to like mothers are. Typically. They're always the one saying that they're the real MVP, and I can only imagine. You know anyone who has a functioning relationship with. Their minds are absolutely awful to go through something like that so. Yeah that's that's why that's true, but a lot of people are you know sharing kind words and things like that? I remember. He was one of the first kind of famous people who really seemed to have A. I don't know a public appearance that was like that. That's fully relatable and also like. Super. EFFECTOR Yeah Shit and that was before P. People wear fully taking it seriously I feel like. Yeah exactly. And, I think that's why it's like you know even though. I'm sure at this point. Most people in their lives have heard of or know someone who is possibly contracted coded nineteen, dealing with that and. Yet it you, the humanity of it becomes very real to everyone you know. You hope that we can continue to like really. Look at things like this to motivate us to stay. Put Our needs of normalcy aside, because ultimately like. Really. Really cutting down on our ability or the possibility of spreading any kind of infection can lead to outcomes like this so. Yeah, Tough tough time. Yeah, really said. We'll shout out to him shattered his whole family and. All the the people of the Minnesota Timberwolves Organization And just to remind people you know. Karl Anthony towns has a big microphone big megaphone to be able to let people know what has happened in his life, but there are. Thousands! Tens of thousands of people who are also touched in identical way who need justice much support and And People Rooney, just as much support. Getting back to normalcy is for them after this so. Got To got to keep everybody in our thoughts be there for each other Yup. All right guys be well, he say. and. Say Home. We will be back tomorrow with great episode of the PODCAST Tortilla Gadsden. Seder. Miles What if you could spend less time Giovanni email meetings with updates chainsaws I'd. Be There anyways and more time doing the work that matters most to you and your team go. I would love something like that. 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Cosmic Queries  Edge of the Universe

StarTalk Radio

57:11 min | 10 months ago

Cosmic Queries Edge of the Universe

"Don't want ads. You can listen to this episode commercial free by supporting us at Patriotair Dot com slash star. Talk Radio from the American Museum of Natural History in New York City and beaming all and startling science up in this is star talk. I'm your host. Neil degrasse Tyson your personal astrophysicist. Today we're doing cosmic queries raise topic the edge of space time the edge of the universe. Chuck Hey Neil. You're going to join me there. I am alone. That's shirt with us. You know you know whether you're watching or listening that I wear cosmetically Colorful Clinton. Yes but my shirt I'm wearing today is particularly cosmetically colorful. Yes it's in your face and smackdown It's well you're GONNA have to go to Patriot or maybe we'll take a picture of it and you have to see it on our website or maybe you'll see it on youtube but you gotta see this shirt seriously sleep pretty lovely. Celestial bodies going on there we have John Eleven to help us Especially Barnard College Columbia University. Welcome back I love being here. We need to do this topic because my knowledge of cosmology is little and yours is big not as big and okay all right. Yeah so we do a cosmic queries right we we we bring the big guns. This antenna is the big guns right stuff enough. So what do you have. So we got husker's as we gleaned from all over the Internet and of course we always start with the Patriots patron because you did so your book Black Cold Blues. Chuck we gotTA DO IT lose. I've gotta learn harmeet to that. He's gotta be way with so picks up the book. It says more than I just every time you walk past it on the shelf got behind on our now. So that was about the discovery of of gravitational waves. Yes so moving through the universe. Yeah exactly so right right. Before that succeeded the fifty years it took measured it. Ray Weiss was one of the original architects just was shaking his head. And saying you know. We don't detect black holes. This thing thing is a failure title was kind of like getting detected it so he's got in the Nobel Prize Jig sad all the way to the bank on that one all right yes. Let's start off though with the Patriot. Patron this is Chris Hampton. who supports us when Patriot? Who wants to know this? Could it be that the universe that that we are in is actually finite however the universal structure is infinite via size and relatively Meaning the universal structure gets infinitely smaller and vice versa. Kind of like infinitely dividing in half. I imagine it would look something like a very complex. FRAT doll ooh. He's GonNa take that. However I want to see Chris Is it sativa. and which is the one that he would have fallen asleep before making it to at the end of the tweets. All revealed are when I when I actually use is that substance. It was called. We'd they didn't put any other name on it if you when he eats it easy to print out right and remember. That was right. I if you went to your dealer and US ed or Indika he'd be like kit smoke that and get out it anyway so you WanNa take a shot at into this okay so My first book is about whether or not the universe is infinite or finite. It's a question we don't know the the answer How the universe Scott at spots? I remember that how you misguided spots is about. Could we tell the shape and size of the universe verse by looking in the hot and cold spots in the Big Bang and the light leftover from the Big Bang but but the question was just take it really theoretically we absolutely do not know that the universe is infinite and It may well be that. It's finite the way the earth is finite that you know we leave New York City. We travel in a straight line as maybe we'd have to swim a little kid on a boat each straight line. You're you're going to come back to New York City again and so it could be that we can travel forever. I was GONNA say it's infinite in what you can try and where you can travel in infinite and you you get to an edge right. Never get to an edge which is beautiful so exactly the same thing with the universe. You're not gonNA sail off the edge of the earth rightly you know. Spanish explorers wave goodbye. And I'm wondering if they just go off the side but no we know that's what happens so similarly we could leave the Milky Way Galaxy. We could watch it received behind us. You could travel in a straight align as possible and find ourselves coming back to the Milky Way again. It's so planet of the Apes Right. It's like the interpretation of that was that they went all the way around and so the interesting thing is is that also means that if you look at distant galaxies the light is also travelling all the way around the universe so it could be that some of those distant galaxies are the Milky Way and and we're seeing the light from the Milky Way. Wrap all the way around and come back to us. We'd be seeing the Milky Way in the past. It would be hard to know like maybe we'd see an active black hole quasar with chats fine out in the early phases of the Milky Way. And we think that's just a different galaxy. Wow Yeah so we've all. She's AH young galaxies very different from mature galaxies and we used to think that there are different kinds of objects in the outer universe like ours. Why they all distant? How comes not acquainted right next door with these monstrous nuclear emissions and we had to figure out that it's it's I likely just younger galaxies and maybe we used to look like a quasar? We don't anymore right so even a distant galaxy looking back at us is seeing us in the past given the light travel time so we could still look like a Quasar to a distant galaxy. Like we're I have this huge active GLAC nucleus. Because they're not seeing there. Were billions of years ago. Oh my gosh no one and then it gets more because there are reasons that people start to suspect that there are extra spatial dimensions and that they are not only finite but really really technically really small like that journey to go all the way around them is something that would would happen incredibly quickly and it's too small for us like uh literally shook our hands in that direction and some sense so we we're looking everywhere. This extra dimensions are everywhere but we can actually notice them and so new dimension to be smaller in another dimension so like a straw is a good example where it's a two dimensional surface I'M GONNA go with flax. No thank you forgetting that. Okay Oh gosh all right. Good the reason I would. 'CAUSE flaxen hair oh yeah that's the only have connection between flax and Strauss so so a straw is is small in one direction on the surface. Right if you think there's a direction which it's totally wrapped up and small and then there's a long direction so straws are mostly long. They're mostly long and you could glue the top to the bottom of a straw to make that long direction. Also finite traveling on could be really big can be you know mile around but still be connected. But it's only a few millimeters around misdirection. This other dimension is literally the length of traveling before you come back to where you started is small so most of how you use a straw does not access that other dimension. The length trying to get the liquid good from here to here. Yeah if you're using the long dimension. Yeah we done the question we start to ask is what if the universe is kind kind of space time Origami when it's created in the big bang that all the dimensions are wrapped up in. Maybe in very complicated ways like the dimension of the straubing wrapped up but one dimension mentioned just gets very very big or in our case three can very very big. We have three big dimensions. We have time which was a fourth so we we know there's up down North South East West. That's it you specify those things you definitely know where you are in space you specify time and we can actually meet right here. We are But those extra directions just just maybe didn't ever expand and so one of the things even that I'll work on and string theorists work on people is Why would only three you mentioned get large if those other dimensions exist interesting so it could be that Will understand the large connectedness finite nature space by looking in like really high energy accelerator experiments. Because people have asked at the large Hadron collider could could you perceive these extra dimensions exist. Okay wow that that I gotta tell you Chris on with the show okay. Okay and people with retires shows that week let you think about. That won't be a week's worth of that is a big star all right queries man as fascinating stuff just fascinating all right. Let's move on to All love who says given because you can pronounce his name and how we're going to say something. Ah a matter of fact. I think I'm just GONNA call everybody. Paul Paul says this Given that our universe expanded from a single point point and is expanding in all directions. How does that not define the shape of the universe as spherical How how could something flat or saddle shape? Come out of that well It is chew if there is an explosion in space it tends to have a kind of spherical cloud leftovers debris when a star explodes explodes. We will see often nebula and they. They're like sphere offense for your cold fish very beautiful and you know sometimes they plow into stop and it changes shape it basically. Yeah then you can point inside. This debris point to where the center of the explosion was so that's not how it works for the Big Bang so for the Big Bang. You cannot imagine that the space exists. I and that you're exploding into the space. Actually a creation of the space itself right so so everywhere in the universe was once after central explosion. There is no plowing out it says though and you can think of any shape you want make some crazy people like the balloon analogy so now makes me crazy balloon. Twisted up crazy thing and Poodle a poodle balloon Ruutel universe and the whole thing stretches and the whole thing was once a point so every single point on that surface people able to chip fabric. If you WANNA call center is everywhere everywhere. We are at the same thing as every other point in space cider. They can I say that if you allow me to say can I say there is a center. The only way you can access it is to go back back in time to the beginning of time well you could say slough okay man. Wow Center of all of this only at one. We coordinate system excessive zero I would say is there if time line is just always there. There's the center. Yeah if we're going to be really You know split space up in very fine grain terms. This point was at the centre back at t equals zero around. This point was at the center. Becky zero they were all right. So the whole it's just the collapse of those points at zero. Gotcha yes I like what you said though which I think is what people have to really think yes. The space itself was created at the second second. Not Second Millisecond microseconds. Whatever nanosecond Jillions official fraction the second afterwards that's that space was created? Then along with everything else I think tend to the minus forty three seconds trillion. And Right. And so you know right then so I mean if you think of it that way because you know what you're thinking about is these distances distances between these stuff that we see. Yeah and we think they're empty but they came from that. Yeah Yeah Yeah. So a reason why people don't just blew again. Yeah we just lost chuck actual steam effect. Wow Oh wow wow years where people get shipped up with the balloon analogy because it's flawed as all analogies. Is that a lot of people merely WANNA point to the center of the balloon empty space inside but you gotta give up on that. All that exists is the skin of the Blue Example K with the center of the balloon. Because that's where the balloon was not cool zero right so you can think of it. Good I can only consider the center of the balloon as snapshots like movie frames. So it once was there and then it was a the movie fame over here. This same balloon is still now at the outer reaches The plume because it came from the Senate Bloom. Imagine you painted dots. All over the little infinitesimally small balloon and they were glued to their stains on the skin. The boom there dot themselves. Don't move and then you push all that down all the dots what's together and then you pull them apart and some sense. Those are the galaxies that came later. The galaxies aren't moving to stay on. The balloon doesn't move. It's the the skin the stretching coaching between bill spots. So in fact nothing piles up the way it does when a Supernova explodes everything actually just gets more and more diffuse as the universe expands. CRATON chuck all right next question wild man. That was great. Thanks Paul all right here we go. Let's go to Brendan Rico Swabi. You just grow we okay Brennan wants to know this I've recently heard of a new study that states. The Universe is thought to be in the shape shape of a loop whereas previously it was thought to be flat but in the explanation given the nature of the loop shade states that travels travels far enough in one direction. That you'll end up back where you started. which is what we talked about earlier? My question is wouldn't this happen. Regardless of ax will shapes of universal. His point is like no matter. What your shape? If would that happen. Yeah and I think that You can. I think that we have to take a break when we come back gentle. Evan is going to tell us. Do we live in a loop universe start Hey It's time to stop dreaming. I mean keep dreaming. I don't want to kill your dream mm-hmm but what I want you to do is turn that dream into a reality with squarespace. squarespace makes it easier than ever to launch your passion project. Whether you're looking. He must start a new business showcase. Whatever it is that you were doing? 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You will definitely not have to hear me sing. If you support us at Patriotair Dot com slash star talk radio. I mean I'm just thinking I mean just saying We're back startled. Chuck Nice My coast. Thank you all all right. Gentlemen friend colleague up at Barnard and Columbia do physics thing cosmology. Somebody's got people's pulls cosmological mind so so tell us as the question asked do. Would the universe flew back on itself no matter its shape So not necessarily you know what shaped universities in the first place. Yeah it's really we don't ultimately know I know the shape. We know that we can see the distance. Light has been able to travel since the Big Bang. 'cause we can't see anything faster than the limit of the speed of light travel time and and And we know that the universe is expanding so that's actually ninety two billion light years across about that we can. That's what we call the observable universe. Now it's possible that it's ninety two billion light years across it even within that range that the universe is folded back onto itself in some way. And we're actually seeing repeats of things we're starting to see. It's it's kind of like a hall of mirrors thing. We're starting to see the light multiple times I would you know. Yeah I was going to serve. That is very very hard to figure out so there have been extremely clever ideas and most commercialism but look at it and I see chuck waving at me exactly right when he was a little baby. Hear the one about. It's so true. We're looking at ourselves in. The passage is very hard to distinguish if we for instance for looking at galaxies. That's very hard to do. But there are patterns in the hot and cold spots leftover from the Big Bang if it fits into a specific shape so magin something just totally platonic Lee beautiful crazy that the universe is like a Dodo. Hebron all of whose faces are glued together. So it's a crazy origami. That is I mean. There has so many loops and twenty. Yeah that is that is conceivable kind of what we call to policy connectedness of the space There it would actually start imprint. The the patterns the Doda Hadrian in the light leftover from the Big Bang. So imagine a tiny little hot and cold spots that you would start to see in the distribution of the hot and cold spots Chase that shape would be reflected in various subtle way really. Yes the reason. The union reflected literally you mean manifest manifested so So how how the Leopard got it. Spots is actually very similar mathematical problem. Because you're asking about enzymes being high or low in the developing embryo and it turns out that the shape and the size of the Animal L. Lake whether it's tubular or when no spots or hitting it that it will determine what kind of spots the animal gets in an actual effort zebra stripes. These things are things you can predict by solvent for the mathematics of of things that are above a certain dress shoulder below a certain threshold. That that pattern of stripes or spots will reflect the geometry and the black panthers a leopard. You knew that yes. I did know that neither has spot now on its skin spot. You look very carefully. You can see the spots route and as well so so how. The universe got spots as a similar mathematical problem. We're solving for hot and cold spots in a particular geometry when the universe was like developing embryo. Basically this goes back to Alan Turing. Who solve some of these problems for the animal but like a Black Panther? Does the universe care about injustice the evidence just to bring that into modern reference a free ready or does he universe have Abram go saying well we can hope that we're the bad example elsewhere in the universe or a better examples. Nice well said well said all right here we go this. Is Tim Braid. Who who wants to know this? Very recent study in the astrophysical journal found that galaxies may be rotating in sync with other galaxies millions. Millions of light years away galaxy separated by six mega percents Were found directly interacting with each other. What is your opinion on this first of all is that empirical the the fact that these galaxies were actually interacting with one another? I think that that study is probably still controversial controversial and probably still requires. Ultra up your translator. I can't probably probably wrong probably rowing these things can happen but it just sounds like there will be a lot of people doing observations in different wavebands ends with different perspectives to try to break Any possibility that it's a quirk of this particular observation but six six you know. That's pretty far away. Yes and And so you would think that you would be dominated there by the expansion of the universe and not interaction's definitely interact with other galaxies. That's not a big press German. Yeah we're fine we're GONNA CLIMB DJALMINHA. That's a happy future like imagine I'm GonNa get much closer. How cool nights guy is going to be? It's going to be like right the whole actually. It won't be as cool as you say at the end of your answer though coolest because it's is it coming in John Donaldson. It is very disturbing reason. Why it's not gonNA be cool? I'm sorry because I'm all over the place but I gotta gotTa get this in before we move on so speaking of as on so if you're looking at something edge on. How do we flip to the imagery to know that we were looking at the disc disc from the eds so we do that with our own Milky Way? We're in the Milky Way. So we're seeing the rest of the galaxy at John. We've never seen the Milky Way as being above love. But we have these beautiful constructions because we just map things as accurately as we understand where they are also in space so he doesn't we build an atlas of it. Basically awesome you build a numerical model based on all of your observations of the Milky Way. The gas dust stars everything. We're the spirals are where the gaps are and then you just allow Yourself to move in that digital world and look down from above but it's inexperienced the modern version of Mat making mentioned exactly once. You have a map. You can go anywhere you want. Three dimensional map. You go anywhere. And plus we see all the gas and we're quite a flattened in the sky and there are other galaxies Alexy's out there that are flattened and we can see them at all not one galaxy of different angles but a million galaxies all scattered in random angles. And so it's pretty easy to figure out what we look like looking at it. Yeah that's what we look like until we collide with John but one of the things I took solace in but I feel like neal's is about to be very uncomfortable but the whole solar system supposed to stay together right and get knocked around. We should stay together so we might end up in Andromeda before we fully quiet they could could pass each other they could collide move through each other and we could end up in Andromeda looking at the Milky Way forward and address but what will so what will happen is there'll be a lot of sort of dissipated energy and the well the pass through each other and back and forth done this on a computer and it's it's like a rubber band and kind of thing and it kind of dies down and it settles into one double large massive system okay. So what's the badness. Okay so I hate to break it. Sounds thank goodness so if in drama there were a hundred times closer wouldn't be any brighter on this guy Interesting yeah okay okay. Yeah tell me why. It's not obvious. You gotTA AH Okay Sir. Drama has a certain size on the sky ground right. Kate has certain extent and on a very dark knight not in the city. But we're there's moon is not out you can see this fuzzy thing in the sky. So that's the ANDROMEDA galaxy two million light years away all right. There's a certain amount of light coming from drama in that patch on the sky right so we we reference it's there's something called a surface brightness. It is how bright isn't drama over that patch of sky over that surface patch on the sky surface. Brains yeah if we bring it half as far away okay. Making only half as far it. It is how many times brighter. It's should go like the square square but then the four times brighter by a factor of four. Yeah so so so the whole system's getting brighter but the surface area is remaining the same so it is not going to be more apparent to you in the night sky then our own Milky Way is on our own nights. I'm very sad to report but at a look Paul. Aw No it'll still be fun. Can I see going to get out of the city. It will now. I see the colliding galaxy. Sorry very very sorry about this sort of this. You know. It'll just look like our own Milky Way Galaxy Yeah from a right here next awesome like our Milky Way from New York to New York City with one of those apps like you can just you know you can hold. It could be like down there and it'll show you in drama on its way and you pump up. The the the intensity needs is the true. You're practically blind. This is the model for astronomy. Excuse me coming Cyborg so right on this Chuck Chuck. We've caught glasses. As the as the centuries went on we discovered how blind we actually were. Yeah that's amazing. All right there we go okay. Let's move onto David photos. Yes if you go to those objects decks you don't see what the Hubble saw better than you do that a lot. Can you stare at it for ten days or if your eyeballs walls were like God can't get you a damn it'll look like what the array cool all right. This is David Edouardo paralysis. Martinez who wants good. They're not bad. You know. My wife is Puerto Rican again. Go David or would would be Bead Eduardo Paraly- Martinez Martinez. Yes Who says this Why is it so hard to prove the existence of other dimensions? Thank you David from Mexico or medical ask that a slightly different way ahead if there was another dimension mentioned as big as the three that we're in would completely manifest to us probably there is a hitch so you would think yes as long as that dimension was very very large then we would be talking about a world in which this did not confine us right so so so. Let's say I have skin which seems to separate my inside of my outside side but if there was if right if there is another dimension you could do one of those spooky surgeries without puncturing any skin. You could just like go in there and touch people's Oregon's like like this would not be acceleration of inside and outside. Well there's also an analogy to that is if you're only live in two dimensions. Then you only have sort of heightened with the heightened you have high and with Bernard Depths uh-huh if you don't have depth when I if I look at you in two dimensions I can see all your organs it for you for your spleen whatever you can. You can't see because you're in the and all you see is the outer skin which is align just just a line outer skin is a surface right right so which is why. You can't actually probably have a very effective organism in just the dimensions because let's say they had a mouth and a tube going all the way through them. It would actually cut the two sides in half so you can't have what we consider to be normal metabolic functions of okay. Anyone else you you don't have you'll have coffee in two dimensions So if you drop water on soil and then it just soaks in right where you drop it on a sponge and it soaks in in two dimensions. There's no such thing as there's no smoking use no sense looking in right so you just have a bowl of water above water correcting on topless capacity enables you have to say to rocks touching here But but you can just go around and other side of the rock but in two dimensions where they touch there is no way past it. Stay above it. Is that where you're able to smell. What the rock is cooking? Okay okay I quit. I was so here I will tell you this. Some people argue that the reason why the universe is three. Dimensional is because the inverse tries to be many different ways. Will there may have been an infinite number of big banks in the past. Few can't really talk about it. In temporal relative nest S. but if the universe created two dimensional large universe with all the rest rolled up and small you couldn't have organisms in universe to ask the questions. Wow you'd need at least three now. Let's you had four spatial dimensions. Then you have the problem of things drift away from each other in such a way that it's hard to have organized systems so just like describing a two dimensional creature isn't aware of the third dimension but if they became aware they could just kind of float away from their city. Right right it becomes you have more volume of space to fill. The Cross Section for interaction goes down so now if you had another dimension the Cross section for interaction because down again today we successfully exist in three dimensions. In spite of the challenges the two dementia creature would face upon accessing third dimension action right so why many threes optimal why don't Ford Mitchell creatures piteous. Yeah right well. That's that I mean. That is a good question could the complexity complexity like I'm just I'm not saying their arguments but some people argue that you couldn't in the four dimensions get the successful complexity and some of those arguments. Are they get you know complicated. Okay based on String Theory Cross sections and annihilation photons and what's left over after all of these things in the Big Bang it turns out that Tony only a tiny amy tiny bit of stable matters leftover already in three dimensions. Be Wait a minute. Let me kind of agree with what you said. Even though I just yes agreed. What you're saying is in three dimensions? It could be optimal for particles to get together and make molecules and molecules to make macroscopic objects if you add a fourth dimension. You're adding a degree of freedom of where things can hang out and possibly never then find each other. Yeah if you think about the volume of the universe is going up radically with the volume of dimension. Then you're diluting everything and the users can be me. Oh but they're so the fact that you're even asking that question means you are being in an optimized universe to even posed. What was the question in the first place? So the two dimensional people couldn't ask this question right 'cause they couldn't be two dimensional people because structures are too simple to allow and forty Mitchell. People people this too much to play space. So let's take your first question was would we know it if the other dimensions were large. Here's the head she would think we would. Here's a hitch hitch. Even if all of those problems were solvable There is an argument that we could be glued to a kind of a membrane which is a three Dimensional surface floating in this higher dimensional space. And what loses here. It's Almers way way. The fundamental forces were between The cheapest on the membrane and the only thing that happily goes off the membrane is is gravity itself frying so that all other forces are glued to this membrane. That's where they live so that you would think like a particle to you. Interacting with that membrane could be a string string on the higher dimensional space through its base as manifesting as a particle. So I can imagine cutting string. You would look to you like a dot right right in front of Jake's dimensions. I think passing a hollow sphere through two dimensions. What would that look like to the two-dimensional people they'd see a dot so that's cool? Oh then it becomes like a circle and it gets bigger and bigger and bigger than it maximizes out at the diameter. But they don't know this and then it gets smaller then gives a point and disappears and they have no idea fear engineering all kinds of mystical hypotheses come out and the scientists assist analyze it. Would you say stuff pops in and out of existence. We don't know why so. What one of the? Yeah absolutely so one of the things that we've worked on with extra dimensions that make them not just an oddity deep but maybe something. We've already observed things. We worked on on our ecstasy mentioned. She's a superhero actor in the making. My Superhero character. Name is Jan eleven prime number Jan Nemesis. It's way more fun with the science. That's Ah my evil twin twelve So the interesting thing there that we're people have thought about is that may maybe something like dark. Energy is actually a quantum phenomenon trapped in the extra dimensions that we can't perceive the extra mentions directly but we're indirectly perceiving into the dark. Dark matter is regular matter in the higher dimensions leaking over into this membrane trenice. And it's just mysteriously there. Yeah we definitely wanted to grab it and that is the medium is that is that gravity is space time so gravity can't be confined confined Scott Sue otherwise that would be no meaning to the extra dimensions stupid. Yeah we're GONNA take a quick break when we come back more with Gentle Evan on the edge of the universe and beyond star Talker turns Hey We'd like to give a patriotic shoutout to the following Patriae Triana Patrons Roy Hill Percival Jose Clark and Dr Janet L.. WAAS thanks so much guys for helping us make this little trip through the cosmos most at if you would like to support us on Patriot Patriotic Dot com and we're back stop because Macquarie's the edge of the universe. There's only one person in arm's reach out there that who could do this. Gentlemen Janet go-to person. Yes they totally have actually written papers on extra dimensions. It is January direction in my part in my research is to think about what she disappears appears to be cell called. He's got up and then like went into the fourth dimension and send monsters his inquiry. Yeah the doors. Yeah that came out of the factory right. This is an uncelebrated fact of that movie. The dimensional dimensional portals wormholes each door. This is the door to the kids room and the monster takes it home at the end of the day. They opened the door on the side of the door. The kids closet right okay. Okay Okay and then they come out of the closet scare the kid go back through the door and they're back in home is a great movie. Okay all right it. Let's let's let's go to. Let's go back to a patriot. Patron this is Solar Sarah. Day Ri- okay. Who says what do y'all think about? What do you think about the idea that matter consumed by black holes holes has been recycled and manifested back into the universe as dark energy? So matter coming out the other side maybe right okay Is there any correlation between automatic consumed by black holes and dark energy. could black holes and dark energy dark matter be different sides of the same coin. Well well I mean where to begin with all right lead offer saying there's an urge to take everything you don't know assume Zuma's related right so I've got people talking about dark matter. Consciousness God dark energy one thing right quantum and quantum spooky nece. Yes someone asked me when they take Iowa is it possible that they have gone to a higher dimensional in my answer to in tempt to not be totally. Dismissive was to say will. If it's a platonic form that we can learn about by exploring the mind then and that's cents. Maybe write a perfect circle doesn't exist in reality nor will a perfect circle ever existed anywhere in the universe but you can touch it in your mind right and it's an experiment. We can perform so that in that sense we go places unlocking secrets in the mind. The physical universe. Yes yes in other words you. Yeah so what do you say about dark matter dark energy so okay so let's just with the falling in coming out in so they're in. There were very early on people who thought A black hole could be bigger on the inside than the outside. It could be as big as an entire universe on the inside. It could actually lead to a white hole which is basically a big bank so so you fall into the blackhall and you know that is completely confined by the event horizon. Nothing ever comes out but but inside it is like something as big as an entire universe right another universe and that right exactly clete doctor who's Tartus and And so we would never know about that. University would not can communicate with cars trucks. Street cred tortoise is an acronym for what Oh no oh no phone booth in London's the relative dimension in space relative space heart and then you go it doesn't make it into the acronym I'm just GonNa say you know okay. So so so that was an interesting idea and a lot of people object to it because it in some subtle way suggests an unstable unstable nece too big banks that might Make it so that this world couldn't be stable without which you but honestly it's not completely off the table. There's a lot you could talk to some very important early relativists able still say that's what happens. Relative is an expert on relativity. So then there's a separate totally separate question about dark matter. There is a suggestion that the black holes themselves could be dark matter meaning That they are invisible. Dark matter is technically And and And they could populate the universe almost arguably large enough to explain this missing mass this missing matter. It's on the edge. It's definitely under pressure right. But there's a problem with like Big Bang nuclear synthesis ordinary matter The blackhawks don't have to be made by collapsing stars out of ordinary matter. But you're absolutely right. We don't know how to make enough strength conditioning. My black hole lunchbox. Let's do it I WanNa know what's inside the lunchbox lawn. My hand goes Inside of it Black Hole Thomas but of course it is confusing if you fall into a black hole like this I guess you can't see your your hands you'll disappear in front of yourself. Okay so you have a black hole thermos and it is filled with okay so this is an inversion of the known universe because in this particular case inside your black that cold I have the Milky Way side the black hole. He's got that you're not a monkey way out because the blackhawks always I am just going to say that. That was the most committed joke I have ever seen in my life life. I'm just saying those of you who don't have a camera. I'm just telling you meal had an actual Milky Way candy bar inside a black hole thermos like like home call lunchbox okay The riches jealous. That's all I'm a little jealous of the judge So last question which is pretty hard is could they all be connected. The stuff that falls comes out and classically we'd say no way. Van Got Horizon Separates everything we need the outside and there's like quantum entanglement cross you. Maybe some particles on the inside are also the same thing as the particles on the outside aside. They're the same particles because entanglement wormholes some crazy stuff. That nobody really. It's all very conjectural now. But maybe we'll come back in twenty years and we'll be patout. Follow up to this Macquarie's twenty years from now. It'll be rolling wheelchairs. Not You but I'll be doing my regenerative heard of medicine so we got to Around here truck route so Janssen answer. Soundbites okay This is is bender's eighty-five on instagram. And wants to know this. I'd always off topic but one of your last shows You were talking about the information on the surface of a a black hole. What do you mean by information deeming temperature or speed or what what is information ultimately we are completely definable in terms of our quantum? Want him numbers. He's just list facts about as information about us and relative locations in an organization of of course meals has so simple mass electric charge Adams. Let's take let's take a single fundamental particle in your body. It has mass charge spin and it's identical to every. Let's call it an electron in this case every other electron identical ones. Not a little bit heavier once a little bit later. We're completely definable in terms of that information and you cannot destroy that what information and so in quantum mechanics you start. Stop thinking if I melt. Chuck Yeah they. All of that information is still in the the universe just arranged. Oh my God. That's sensible way though. There's a puddle on the ground that's a different chuck chuck. I'm talking to right now. How's IT information still there? Yes the trouble number. Two having information preserved doesn't mean there can't be local change right so I can definitely change things locally but I still have to have the same information system the total system so we have to be able to reconstruct something. It doesn't mean that there's no checks with what's in this got it. You don't have to necessarily be able to reconstruct the exact same thing. We'll just have to the same information right in principle I should be able to. I took a page of the encyclopaedia and burnt. I should be able to reconstruct it in principle. Of course nobody can never really do that or take longer than the age of the universe and we don't have the kind of computing power so there's physical impossibilities but those complications But it's assault teleportation for the role. The argument is that what's actually might be happening. Is that the information as it's falling in which is basically all you know every everything everything everything Never actually makes it. Inside the black hole it becomes coded on the boundary which is event horizon. So it's actually a hologram around Those allies eighty two From instagram says NASA reported avoids. Would you to discover new details about interstellar space. How does that change our understanding of dark energy beyond our solar system or does it? It probably probably doesn't because it it isn't a detector of dark energy dark matter. We have no detectors of dark energy or dark matter yet none successful and so what but it is amazing. That is the first human made object that's gone interstellar and that really is quite spectacular. It's just broken out of basically the sun's magnetic influence able to get cosmic rays and things that that are protected and it's always system by the solar system was how far out of the planets. And then you have the kind of Congress then you have. The more cloud say will really at what distance doesn't object object. No longer no that the sun is in this direction right because the sun has magnetic influences that go very far and you reach the point where all the field field measurements are sort of in this soup that permeates the entire galaxy and so it's a transition from the sun. Is this way too. I got stars in every direction right and so moving so slowly that it will take ten thousand years to reach another seventy thousand seventy years. All right yeah. This is from Robert Robert Weaver. Who says thanks so much for educating and inspiring us? What News in science do you find most interesting and important right now now with respect to your field? Wow that's great question. Well we do live sound bite. We are in a very lucky time because we have discovered discovered bear black holes in this miraculous way So I do think that the most exciting capacity is is eating meals Ah I do think it is where the small meets the large and it will be that way for a long time meaning what the Big Bank tells us about dark matter and dark energy and the universe on the larger scale and why those things are folded Together thinking about the universe on a big scale and on the small scale so we're quantum physics meets general relativity. Fresh air is an unresolved territory. That's right and so that's why we use all these things right. If you WANNA if you WANNA understand quantum mechanics meets gravity you gotta do it in the Big Bang black holes we go. This is Pablo Gris Dansk. Oh I don't know Pablo I'm sorry Can you please help me put inside in my head. One more dimension three is fine but how can I grab ass. More that's What do you do with people to Alexa? I think it is absolutely imperative that everyone understands that. Nobody can just blanket visualize higher dimensions. We're accustomed to looking at dimensions from on the outside looking down. We can't do that so what we can do with the kinds of things that Neil is describing earlier which is imagined. Three dimensional cross sections of things so visualizing a hyper I fear which is a higher dimensional sphere as an intersection of it with our three dimensions and it would be a series of it would be a series of sphere going right. That would would max out and then go back. But one less thing to do the do the difficult example of being flat-lander and you will actually just by going down at dimension action and I can add that if I've said this a couple of star talks before but there's another moment to do so if a line is bounded by points and a square is bounded by lines and a cube is bounded by squares. Then a hyper. Cube is bounded by three dimensional cubes. Let sides of a hyper cube or three-dimensional Cuba's right you. Just you just keep going take you there batts. Set You free. Real example with the math makes it a lot easier said no one ever to make it easier dimension differential geometry. That's all right okay. This is Eric Spence and Mark Eric Spins and He says this Neil you have said before. The dark matter should really be called dark gravity really stuck with me and help me understand it better. Do you have a similar. An alternate name for dark energy that better summarizes the phenomenon. They'll give it a shot. But I wanNA hear what Janice said I would say I would just call it dark expansion expansion stuff. We don't know stretchy stuff but definitely dark. Gravity is what dark matter is. It is literally dark gravity and I'm totally cool with that. Are you totally cool with that. Totally cool with Neutrino dark gravity. That's a form of dark matter matter like we have examples of forms of matter that we have detected. They're just not plentiful enough to explain so much of it but there are things called neutrinos which we do detect dark meaning. They don't interact tracked with like I wouldn't call me Chino Star gravity pushing past messing with me rough man. Oh the front row seats popcorn dark energy though. What if we thought of it as like an invisible ocean because that's sort of what the dark energy is around all the time and it's it says though we're in a storm of dark particles and it's just it's it's really that it's invisible is the thing you can see right through it not not that if you had it in your hands it would look dark invisible threat both dark energy really? Don't apply. We need a Okita. You know so. It's really in the vacuum vacuum bath. Next one last one real fast okay. Okay okay. Half a soundbite This is connector. Salazar who says this can other universes influence or overlap with our own and is there any evidence evidence that this might be happened. This would be the parallel universe dairy speculative. But if you consider a universe let's say we're floating on a three three-dimensional membranes and higher dimensional space and there's another one of those floating also in the higher dimensional space parallel or in some sense any remembering you're talking Call them universes and yes. It is possible that they have interacted in the past and that there would be some archaeological record of that or in the future if they intersect. Is there an intersection line. Three dimensional line in which you live in both university So technically if you mean by universe the galaxies and everything you see and not the whole space time then technically yes to universes to membranes can can interact interact and key and can coexist. I like living on the boundary between two universities. 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Hour 1 - Pete Thamel (04-15-20)

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Hour 1 - Pete Thamel (04-15-20)

"Hi there I'm Zach Braff. Donald face on we're real life best friends. We met playing fake life. Best Friends Turk and J D on the Sitcom scrubs twenty years later. We've decided to Rewatch the series one episode at a time and put our memories into a podcast. You can listen to it home. We're going to get all our special guests friends like Sarah Chalk. John C McGinley. Neil Flynn Judy. Reyes show Creator Bill. Lawrence Editors Writers and even prompt masters would tell us about what inspired the series and how we became a family. You can to the podcast. Fake Doctors Real Friends with Zach and Donald on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. And wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Indika Santos host of a morning show and on the move. I want to personally invite you to my new podcast. My name is Ado show where I'll talk to artists community leaders and people like you together? We'll learn more about the triumphs and failures that empower my weekly guest. You could find my new show on the free iheartradio APP or wherever you. Listen to your podcast. You are listening to the Dan Patrick. Show on Fox sports radio critic. He's seen the last dance. It's not the Jordan documentary by the way it's being everybody talks about the Jordan documentary. It's about the team Phil. Jackson came up with the title. The last dance because this was the last dance for that team but this is being portrayed as it's the Jordan documentary. We're going to tune in because Mike is prominently featured in rightfully so. But it's known as the last dance. It's on that last year with the Chicago Bulls so Richard Roeper who has seen all ten episodes. He'll join US coming up a little bit later on normally in the weeks and days leading up to the NFL draft. You have certain quarterbacks who move up in mock drafts. Now that doesn't mean they move up on the real team draft boards. It's a mock draft and until that's why you're seeing some players move up and move down because now journalist are hearing from the people who actually have to make these decisions. This is their job. And that's why we sometimes look at a player. What's wrong with him? He's dropping maybe he wasn't supposed to be up there in the first place but the media is catching up with some of the opinions. You're thinking Carson Wentz Mitchell trubisky and Baker Mayfield. Those guys who were lower in the bond drafts and that was right up until reports leaked on how high they were going to go this week. There's a trend in the mock draft world all of a sudden Oregon quarterback Justin. Herbert has moved ahead of Tuitonga. Bilo done done so now. We're looking him at number five with the Miami Dolphins. I told you this a couple of days ago a source said to could go three or twenty three because of the medical here maybe herber into are going to be stars and they're going to be worthy of being drafted in the top five or top six or seven maybe Utah. State's Jordan love will go hi in about a week. We're GONNA find out if the mock drafts were onto something or maybe there's an even bigger quarterbacks surprise coming in the twenty twenty NFL draft. I spent some time yesterday. 'cause Lord knows I had plenty of time yesterday to not do anything and I reached out to sources and I said help me understand nick. Saban's role with two because there are a lot of NFL. People who trust Nick Sabin. This is what I got back as important as the medical is for two. It's critical what Nick Sabin tells people in the League. He trust and that will be almost as critical. He's GonNa use the analogy of drew brees when he was in Miami injury concerns. Nick Sabin passed on him and signed Dante. Colpepper to isn't the first Alabama player who has had medical questions going into the NFL draft. The source said they practice so hard that after three years. They're beat up. That's what they're trying to way here and if you can't interview him I can't work him out. I can't have my medical staff. Look at him and examined him. That's why to is such a risk if he's healthy. I think he's right on par with Joe Borough. I like how we go well to has to great receivers are going to be taken. Probably in the top twenty. Did you see who joe Berle was thrown this year? So you can't and then I'll get this. Hey Jordan love had a bad year this year but what about last year and then you'll get people saying yeah. That was last year the previous season but this season he wasn't good at all. Well he had depleted offense and the previous year. He had a pretty good offense. And then I'll go. Well Wait Joe. Borough didn't have great junior year. But we're not gonNA factor that in but we're going to factor in what he did this past year. See that's where gets into this game of semantics and it's dangerous because you can talk yourself into somebody and talk yourself out of somebody. I think the real drama if anybody trades then great but if you look at this chase young goes second bros. going first and then does Detroit do anything and then I reached out to a source who has connections with Detroit and I said. Hey do you think it's crazy? What I'm saying he goes now. I heard what you said about if you're Detroit and you're sold on tour like Jeff. Kuda is defensive back from Ohio State. Okay he's a. He's a really good player but now they're starting to be a little bit of discussion. Is he the best defensive back? I don't do? I want if it's Durell rivas great but I don't know if I'm missing on something that is going to allow us to build something bigger in the future and my source said this staff has to win this year. That's the reason why they would stay with Stafford. Now if you said Matt Patricia was just joining them like he was Mike McCarthy going to the cowboys then you could go you know what maybe this is the last year with Stafford. We see what we have here you know. Are we going to be a playoff team? And you draft too. Because now I get the rookie deal now. I can maybe get something that Matthew Stafford maybe I could. I could start to shape my team a little bit better like that. I also reached out to a source with Cincy ties to Cincinnati said what happens to Andy Dalton and he said when they draft borough. I think they're cutting Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton is going to be thrown into the mix with Cam Newton. What will happen with Dalton and Cam Newton and even Jameis Winston is after training camp? If there is a training camp after training camp somebody will sign them but probably not leading up to the training camp. That's probably what's going to happen. You know you're GonNa have coaches going in and go Kay. We've had the draft free agency and if somebody gets injured or we don't like what we're seeing then you're gonNa have somebody come in. I also was busy yesterday. Here's another one that might surprise you. Because I was curious about Let me see we talked about Detroit. Detroit playing hardball squeezing teams. This doer Di Year for the staff. Have the feeling the chargers are GonNa sit if a quarterback drops to them if not their coach believes in tyrod. Taylor I had one on Jalen hurts here. Let me see if I have this trying to keep to okay. One possibility is Jalen Hurts Carolina. Stay with me. You Got Teddy for two years. Their quarterback coach was with him at Alabama Matt. Rule Owen to against Jalen hurts last year when Oklahoma Played Baylor. That's his head coach offensive. Quarter offensive coordinator. Joe Brady was in New Orleans with some who so you might get a package like quarterback jalen hurts going to Carolina to backup Teddy Bridgewater. So just some of the items that I had. Yesterday I was busy. I was busy yesterday. Going back and forth trying to find out and once again the more I know the less I know I. I've watched Justin Herbert and some of the descriptions on Jalen hurt Jay. Justin Herbert are not a leader. He's not demonstrative and he doesn't speak up he's like he's unfailingly polite and I went. Gosh is is he like. Eli Manning unfailing. That's a negative. He doesn't have the swag. Joe Bro I got that one yesterday. I said okay but does just in her. Check a lot of boxes here. Oh yeah now I sometimes you look at Swag and you go. You got too much like Joe Borough borders on too much swag when you meet him boom. It's right there but when you were when you're playing well and win a national title and throwing sixty touchdown passes. Yeah we love that Swag. Yeah if Justin Herbert becomes a star. He's cool he's calm. He's unflappable when you're you're unflappable. When you're a good quarterback locate your pulse Lewis when you're Jay Cutler. You're not you're seven nine. Well we had that problem with of guys who weren't demonstrative Jay Cutler Care. There's no fire I mean. Philip rivers cared as much as any quarterback. He didn't win anything. Joe Montana unflappable. Right Joe Montana call yes mclovin signing till August. What I can't handle is at CAM. Newton jv Swinson. Or whatever that Training Camp David. I think that's crazy. Yes that's that's what I was told that you're off seasons going to really hurt some of these players including these quarterback but it's going to be after training camp where one of these guys or all of them will be signed by somebody but I was told because I said Andy Dalton makes a lot of sense to still have him on the roster and a source said you know when they draft borough the probably cut Andy Dalton and I was like all right. Poll question mclovin. What do you have for me trying to quarterbacks quarterbacks if I gave you at over under a two and a half quarterbacks in the top five would you go over or under so that means with three be drafted in the top five with to be drafted in the top five obviously with Burgoyne number one? So it's a herbert two questions do they. Are THEY GONNA buy Miami so I have to get somebody to trade up because if you trade up. Why isn't anybody trading up to ask about chase young like I'm just curious? It's the quarterbacks I got. I got chase young who is once in a generation. I'm told Edge rusher. I haven't heard anybody say the redskins open for business for chase young like I got. That surprises me. Chase young is considered the best player in the draft. And I've not heard one scenario where somebody goes you know. I wouldn't be surprised if they go up. And get chase young like when we look at a guy who disrupts again. It's your quarterback and you're edge. Rusher those are the two guys. It feels like the most important people on the field. And we're going to go straight up for Justin Herbert. We don't know how good he is but chase young's the best guy in the draft that once in a generation nobody trading up to get chase young. I find that interesting. What else do you have mclovin? I would go go under on the two and a half. I'll say that we have two quarterbacks top five. I saw another questions three and a half runner in the top twelve meaning those Jordan lum known the top twelve. I don't know what seems like that. Changes Day to day. I don't know what you're hearing in. Feels like the raiders are really interested in Jordan love in Mel Kiper. Obviously I trust milk hyper draft expert. But are the raiders. Already with Mario in car then going to use a first round draft pick on Jordan love. This is okay. So I asked about this with the raiders. And I couldn't get anybody who covers. The raiders are involved in the raiders. And I said well. If you're the raiders. Would you go after Jordan love? And this scenario that was set up for me is the Broncos look like they have their quarterback the chiefs obviously have their quarterback in the chargers. Might be drafting too or just in Herbert. So I'm talking about teams in that. Division are the raiders comfortable with Derek Carr as their quarterback to match those other quarterbacks and is Jordan love going to be a Patrick? Mahomes type player. You know talent wise because not everybody was sold on Patrick Mahomes. It's not kid. Anybody Andy. Reid solid pounced on it. And we know that you know the rest is history is Jordan. Love going to be that kind of player because if you watch Patrick Mahomes play and yes I did because I have nothing to do in my life. He was incredibly athletic. Made all the throws but I had no idea how translate to the NFL because it looked like he was trying to be Brett Farr and he was just vamping out there. It was like backyard football in the big twelve and I go. I don't know if he can play in the NFL but damn exciting in in college football here Jordan. Love may be that guy so once again. We talk ourselves into a pick out of the pick. Somebody is going to pass on somebody and that goes back to what I said about two Monday. The fear of taking him in the fear of not taking him. That's going to be a big dilemma. Yarmuk love I also saw on Jordan off to the Patriots the Patriots. How would anyone know what the Patriots are interested in? That's what I was wondering. That's the one team you can't predict. We don't know we speculate but we don't know because Bill Belichick doesn't tell anybody anything and why would you tell somebody unless I want to mislead you? That's really when the information gets out and the only reason I get information is scouts. Talk Coaches don't talk. Gm's don't talk. Scouts talk amongst themselves. Hey what do you think about this guy why we're kind of leaning towards maybe we're going to take you know the wide receiver out of Arizona State and that's how it works? They WanNa know what you know what you know. But it's only a cluster of these guys because they have to trust each other. I'll share information with you. We're not interested in that guy. Now that's the interesting part of all of this. It's the deception that still continues and will lead up til probably a week from today. Where maybe start to get real information on? What's HAPP- do? I think the dolphins are going member of the dolphins role in on Joe Borough. They were tanking for two now. I'm here in just in Herbert. Some of its BS and maybe all of it is you know. I love how the teams tried to hide. If there's a thing that a documentary about the draft or they look back the draft where I think the Jaguars Take Blake Bortles. And the three spot. They didn't interview them. They didn't call him didn't invite him down for workout which was really crazy to not do that due diligence. But they're trying to hide him. They're trying to hide their interest so they can just grab them any other poll questions mclovin. Yeah so KIRK COUSINS REFRESHING. Not Play in front of fans or will be refreshing. And you know why so? He doesn't get yelled at. That's why I get refreshing. No so nobody yells at me or picks on me. That's the only what other reason would you say it's refreshing? I was wondering if you had support if you're an NFL player. Are you comfortable playing without fans? What do you think they would say? They just WANNA play. That's all if you said you guys can come back no fans or you can't come back. What are they GONNA say they? WanNa come back seat in. How are you this morning? I'm great I'm I'm listening to you? Talk about fans though and I just keep thinking of Lebron who for some reason seems to be the one hardliner of like I'm not playing if there's no fans yeah. I think he's trying to do sort of this populist thing like hey I'm here for fans but it's just slightly off with it. Yeah I think he walked back a little bit and rightfully so again to walk that one back a little Lebron you WanNa play and maybe win a title or you can't play not if there's no fans in the crowd yes mclovin but is it kirk cousins going too far to say it's refreshing to have no fans like is it somewhere in the middle between Kirk. Cousins brought a better place kirk cousins and how he plays it's career he's been on his side so when when he yells at you like that and then it echoes in the data. Yes Hey Todd. How are you today? I'm doing great. How are you on great? It's great to see everybody. What what maybe come on. Come to this prime time games just to the daytime games. Thank you todd. What do you got today? I'm wearing an old school. Houston ASTROS KIND OF TRAINING CAMP. Spring training know batting practice type. Everything you have is old school or I'm still living in the seventies and eighties with nine. I was watching rockets. I sent you guys a note. No response from anybody. Of course he was fighting. Mason the line but you know why I didn't respond because it's not a real fight movie no and you tired of all my texts. No you are watching us. I am tired while you're because when you bring it up or I bring it up then you then you go into your impersonations. Doodoo that attack and I was GONNA call. You would want to do that now. You WANNA do Rocky's trainer but you can't do it today. I know he's I'm concerned to send you more than two and a half hour period because then you give me a please stop and a prayer Emoji but you do play by play of something that happened. Thirty years ago. I was excited. I was trying to regime. Jim Rice come into the plate. Nineteen seventy eight. I know how this ends I. Nobody was the bucket dead game and I was just saying what I was watching it. I was having a moment with your arms. Tried to have a moment here. We don't need to have moments we have so many moments. We don't need any more eighteen years a moment. Yeah we we don't. We're good on. I have more moments with you than my wife probably. Ah Yes. Boycott Has Dark Jersey on today and a dark hat and dark headphones. And there's a dark background. We had him. He looks like big floating. It's just exploding head with the same look on it for three hours. Yeah and you. Don't blink don't blink chat row notices you don't wide and it must be apprentice out three in the morning. Well that's great to have you though. Let me see. We're going to have pete them from Yahoo Sports I saw. We're starting to cancel. Some sports not not postpone anything. Canceling some of these secondary sports. These are budget moves. These are preemptive strikes here. Also peaked. Covers College football for Yahu. Sports and I want to ask him about what Chris Valor was talking about yesterday. And that is expanding the playoffs. Because if you're looking at revenue for these conferences to have the trickle down for some of these other sports to survive maybe you go from four to sixteen teams so we'll talk to pete. He'll join US coming up. Steve Kerr a little bit later on. Richard Roeper these Chicago sometimes. Movie critic will join us as well as he Reviews the last dance these so called Jordan documentary. We'll take a break here. Twenty two after the hour. 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Look like about twenty five yards downfield and mclovin. You WanNa tell people what you put in that tweet. Oh hit these two little kids in front of them like Oh wow eighty already working out with the Patriots. Wide receivers shot at our friend. Julian Edelman Andy. Dalton's your buddy. No I don looked great in the video. Everybody was coming. We gotTA GET HIM IN. You see that arm and my other joke that I did right by the way those two little kids actually finally gets better alignment Cincinnati. Oh Man but I didn't put that didn't but you thought it I did think at Enjo- borough might Wanna I thought it was. I thought thought it was really funny. You undersized white wide receivers for the Patriots. Andy added two sons out there. That was. Well done indy. All look pretty good right. Can we judge anything backyard video? He threw two passes into a net. Yeah but he hit the net. Somebody what does it? But I don't know what happened. The other forty passes he threw. Did he throw it in the neighbor's yard? Did He. Hit the mailman like we? Don't he added You're right Andy. Dalton wouldn't do something like that. I mentioned Jalen hurts as possible. Landing Spot Being Carolina according to a source because of the connections a lot of times. That's why when Philip rivers when I was told at the Super Bowl. Philip rivers. Look for him to go to the colts. There was a connection with the coaching staff. They're the same with Jalen hurts and Carolina. There's a connection with the coaching staff. There and the fact that Matt Rule coached against him twice last year at Baylor and lost both time to jalen hurts. And you've got your offense. Coordinator was the quarterbacks coach at Alabama. And also he was in New Orleans with Tastes Hill. Then maybe you're looking at the possibility of. That's that's your next quarterback in waiting with Teddy Bridgewater and Carolina. All right. We'll get phone calls coming up. Eight seven seven three. Dp show by the way jalen hurts player. Comp game ooh okay hold on ice. Oh if I looked at an NFL DOT com visit. Don't this is now. Nfl DOT COM will. Throw that out there. You have to guess. Oh Man I don't know where to go here in some ways very much. So he's very well liked in some ways and some ways not at all more of a comparison on the field or off. I think you're going down the right passing. O'connor use the word path as a hint the path of righteousness. Show You the light. Todd you WANNA guess I was thinking bridgewater but it sounds like more of a religious type of person running quarterback Dan your final answer. Cuyler Murray. Nfl DOT COM player. Com for jalen hurts Timothy. Tibo I'M NOT GONNA make it. That hurts a winning dual threat quarterback known for his strength and character little character in their weight. Tiba wasn't a good pro and hurts have never done circumcision. Are you sure? Yes a confirmed because it hurts. Tibo thank you. I will change change course here with Pete Hamill who joins us the National College Football Basketball reporter for Yahoo Sports. What do you think Jalen hurts? I I like. Jalen hurts the best piece of draft analysis. I saw on twitter. Jalen so had to be true. Was that a lot of people haven't picked for Baltimore so you can back up Lamar. And they have a backup in their offense drew. Bledsoe backup Lamar Jackson Right. You need someone who can Of a similar skill set. I'm not necessarily comparing them. I think Lamar in terms of quick. Twitch is Certainly in his own stratosphere ultimately on. Jalen I don't think he's an NFL starter at the end of the day like people. Start NFL Games. But I don't think he's a he's a guy franchise. We'll take us. Paulie would you steal? Pete's competent will use that not give him any credit. Absolutely that tradition. Okay all right. I stole it to pass it in a long hair. Yeah welcome to this business. We don't give credit. Yeah all right a couple of things here. I saw where you're reporting that A couple of sports have been cancelled. Cincinnati with soccer old dominion with wrestling. And I know that those don't Garner headlines but this is just the started feels like of the trickle down. That's a preemptive strike to cancel these programs and we haven't lost any income yet with these college football programs so y now and how bad do you think this is going to get for the secondary sports based off? Maybe no college football for a little while. But I think we're certainly set up for one source told me. Dan Thought it was what was eight with a reset The collegiate athletics model is completely upside When you look at essentially one sport to sports at some places you know providing I mean someplace over thirty sports some Max school with Twenty one I think you have twenty six so when you have one or two sports providing all of the money for another you know at least fourteen but in some cases over twenty. It's just not a tenable long-term financial bottle in I think financially athletic director's always look at the bottom line. I mean Cincinnati. Once they pay off the scholarships and in the end the remaining staff is GonNa save eight hundred thousand dollars a year. So it's eight million dollars over Over a decade. And it's a lot of. It's a lot of money and certainly I don't wanNA sound cool part. I'm talking about this because I'm talking about business decisions and these are lives and you know people people's just teams are just ripped up and it's it's it's a difficult decision to make and one eighty who. I called put it. Put it to me. This way he said used the old Winston Churchill quota never waste a good crisis so I don't think people woke up and and all of a sudden we're like man. Maybe we should cut sports. I think people had been looking at on their budgets for a long time. And this set of unique financial circumstances that we're gonNA come under because of corona virus is going to allow them to do what they probably already already want to Even to meet in the best cases right like say September fifth. There's a one hundred thousand in the in the Horseshoe for Bowling Green and etc everywhere around the country right now. I don't see that as particularly realistic. But you know even if that happens you. You're looking at donors who who are staring at a at a twenty percent dip in their portfolio. You're looking at you know people don't WanNa go back to sporting event like you're you're you're looking at Adam minimum when I talked to. Ad's in the best case scenario is they're looking at maybe. Namco Count for a for a twenty percent dip in their budget. So you need places to save money and and if there is no football I mean that's all that's all bets are off. I'm also wondering about how this helps the economy if we do have sporting events but we don't have fans going to the sporting events well my thought on college is that you have to look at it different than the than than the NFL NBA NHL I very confident I wrote this two to three weeks ago. If there is no college there will be no college sports and I had a lot of Bob. Dole's be told me that you know people have people athletic records around the country kind of said that so no classes. No no no sports okay. Can't bring students back to campus. You can't have a football team. Go play unless you stop calling them student athletes and you just call them. Athletes Athletic Students. Yes that would be and that would just be a whole thing so I don't know how college football could thread the needle of well. Let's see for students to come to campus it see for athletes campus. But it's not safe to have visitors and a stadium that I think. The percentage chance for college football with no fans is very. I'm not saying it's impossible but I think it's much more realistic you know you have. Nba Games in Vegas cruise ship. Or whatever they're talking about or even The NFL Dan Wetzel wrote two weeks. Ago would be the hardest one to do all this. 'cause you've got you. Can you can throw the NBA NHL in a metaphorical Dakota I? It's hard to do that with the NFL. It's just such a big looming operation to to to move thirty two teams to play. It would just be logistical nightmare so but for for college football. I'd be stunned if we had if we had games without fans you take a look at the the Florida's the Ohio states. The you know your your your big big programs. You're talking about fifty million dollars in ticket revenue alone so it's it's a huge and certainly the TV revenue Is is as much for those you know for the big ten's in the SEC's It's in that it's in that forty million dollar neighbourhood but I. I have a hard time imagining that from a liability standpoint because you you know you're going to have that come to college too and we're seeing this with governor newsroom and maybe his projections being optimistic is president trump's projections you in college like there's municipalities. There's mayors there's college presidents like I mean if there's one thing about college athletics it's from a leadership perspective Kerry frock and it's and it's very. It's very different. Yeah that's the problem is I? Am I talked to Chris? Valor yesterday? Said there's no singular voice here a commissioners in other sports. I'll leave you with this. I talked to Fowler about this. That you have four teams in the in the playoffs. Can you extend that and make it sixteen can you? Can you break that contract to make it sixteen therefore we have more revenue and then maybe by the end of the year we can have football where we have fans in the stands or. I don't know if that Chris said everything's on the table. Do you think we could get to sixteen playoff teams? Well I wrote this week that I think the playoff will change to accommodate finances. You know in this crisis like in terms of in terms of new revenue streams. That's one of the few shirt and ones that they could make In calling around to two people tied to the College Football playoff the notion of changing it. This year was way off the table. They were like an even next year Just because of the the different bulls. It's tied to logistics. Now look where you know. They're going to be the you know. All all sports officials are going to be the GOAL EASTERN ON THEIR HEAD. Right trying to figure out how to get sports and in land the plane here but I I would be pretty surprised if they could just rip up a billion dollar contract. I mean they're six years left on that twelve year deal and when you when you really dive into it there's just hot in. They looked at the money right now. Too just rip up six most profitable years on a contract to To to expand the thing. I don't think that's that's a no-brainer. Either like it would be in better times so I think the playoff does expand I. I think the earliest we could see it. Dan is two years from now in. I'd imagine we go to eight from their peak. Good to talk to you. We appreciate you joining us as always damp expert. Pete Them National College Football Basketball reporter for Yahoo Sports. He has a quote in his column. I think now that Cincinnati just did it. 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Twenty one with the Falcons in we're number three in college. He wore thirty with the rams he goes to the Falcons Dion Sanders says to him. Don't take twenty one. And so he takes twenty one now. Todd Gurley had this to say about the conversation or the comments from Dion Sanders. Did you talk today? I'll let you rock twenty-one Amen Prime Fouls Hating on me. She told me he's aware really. Why did you say that 'cause proud if I was prime awhile where nobody wear my number you okay? I think that's the program's called the midday show. What I don't understand is and maybe they did ask him. I'd like the obvious question is why are you picking twenty-one you have no ties to it is doing it as a tribute in. Oman is to dion. Dion was in Atlanta for five years by the way other players who wore number twenty one. Since Dion left Eric. Metcalf Elisha Williams Darrien Gordon during Bolden de Ngelo Hall. Chris Owens Desmond True Font Dion chill least you got a really good player wearing it in a Georgia native wearing it. They didn't retire. It probably feels the whole league. Should retire twenty-one for him but can we ask can. Can SOMEBODY ASK Todd Gurley? Hey why did you pick twenty one since you have no ties to it? Police the two demons really man ago. Yes that's Dion Dion. I think realized the the reaction he was getting like d on chill dude and then he was like. I'm joking I'm joking. I don't think damage joking. I don't think for some reason. Did he say this about Desmond? True Font he don't wear twenty-one why Todd Gurley polling according to NFL DOT com. The Raiders Falcons and cowboys traditionally. Don't retire numbers. Ev Rings of honor. But they don't really retire. Numbers the falcons. Don't have any good players like Tommy. Nobis WILLIAM ANSWERS STEVE. Bard Kaos gain like who? Are you retiring dion? Okay if you want to Julio Jones Matt Ryan if you WANNA get around to that but prior to that harmon wages who retiring yes mclovin. What about that Jamal Anderson Super Bowl Team? Who is good on that team besides him? I can't remember what Chris Chandler Chandler the quarterback Eugene Robinson. Yeah that didn't go well on off the field. Other other Falcons googling quickly. There's not a lot of great falcons that you're going to have a ring of honor fence. Yeah you'd have a ring of honor be one name. Maybe well they're eventually going to get around to a couple more kiosk of honor as you walk in little three apply thing three numbers the Dak Prescott Situation. Dak didn't apologize clarified about having a party at at his place and it was a dinner party now. He says that it was He was disappointed in the report. Very frustrating disappointing. That sounds like Tony. Romo says very frustrating pointing this morning when people provide completely inaccurate information from anonymous sources. Especially now now. This came from TMZ and as much as you want to discredit. Tmz TMZ is one of the few places actually doing journalism or at least investigative reporting. They actually do. I don't know how they get all their information but hey they get their information and I would trust them in this situation. I don't know how many people jack had over there. I'm guessing he had more than ten. And you know why because I looked at the spread. Look at the amount of food and tell me. That's for ten people now. If YOU'RE OFFENSIVE. Lineman came over you wouldn't you? You wouldn't have that much food. But he wants to tell me that he only had ten people or less than ten people Z. Kelly was there with him. It's not a good look. It's not yes. I get the feeling though that Zeke Elliott could eat more than just his share. Oh he looks like he has eaten more than he looks like a fella who could put away some some food and if you're going to have a party and you know during this time you just say to everybody. I want your cell phones here. Let's make sure we don't do any social media. This is just a party. I WANNA have for whatever it is. Tell them give me your phones. I take my kids phones when we go to dinner just so I can get their attention. Good God if they're your friends they're not gonNA bust you on social media. I differ with just because he had a whole lot of food doesn't mean there's a whole lot of people the other day. We had thirty eight sausages on the grill. Five guys now if you would have walked by grills man. They're having a big thing over at the Dan Patrick crew they got thirty eight sausage on the but that was the entire package that we right but maybe Dakhil ordered over over ordered. Okay everybody got a Sushi. Trae everybody got a tray of fries. 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Ep. 22 | 2 Bears 1 Cave w/ Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer

2 Bears 1 Cave with Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer

1:21:12 hr | 6 months ago

Ep. 22 | 2 Bears 1 Cave w/ Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer

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Bert Kreischer. I'm Tom per show. Twelve years in the making of your fucking hundred percent not an Asian cough corona virus. Blame IT ON. That is why you say you said with the is welcome to another episode of two bears. One cave her. I'm Tom. This was recorded a few days before. You're seeing it so we don't have some of your loved ones aren't here anymore. This is business we should. We should times dampness jokes. We make you realize we didn't know I it's like I did that first. Off Congratulations. Thank you congratulations. My Best He. Thomas Agoura has a special that is streaming pretty much right now. Most likely. You're seeing it tomorrow. If you're watching this on this trip comes out. It's called Ball Hog. Yes it is phenomenal. Thank you buddy and I cannot wait. I'm like I said to my dad. My Dad called today and obviously it's not out yet. I haven't seen it My Dad call today and he goes A lot of my friends are watching your special lot of anything to do and I was like. I'll thank that as a compliment and I said yeah you know. I think it's Kinda crazy like I go. I'm really I'm really excited to watch Tom Special. Because you get to a point in the end of the night we were like great. I've watched all the pirates of the Caribbean yet. The girls are in bed now. It's me time and you fuck to go on that main page and see you or deleted delays coming out April Fifteenth Peop- Davidson's got one my special. Hey big boy is streaming right now to say if you like Toms. You'll also like these three shirtless fat guys. You have three on the platform. All shortlists all shirtless and like the exact same costume. I've thought about this a few times there. There is not a feasible way. They you can go back to shirts now. Ever ever what? I'm hoping is that we do this. Lockdown for Surfer Corona virus and. I get fucking ripped yeah. It's most likely that that'll happen. I've never had eight weeks sober while you told me you're like I haven't drank since Sunday Sunday. We're it's Wednesday today. It's Wednesday but I know by didn't drink Sunday Sunday right right did it. Would you do Zanex no way? I'm not white. Knuckling this now I know my. Ocd off the bug a jar. I've been eating edibles every night for real. Yeah I'M GONNA I'M GONNA I'm GonNa lean into some edibles to find some. What a relaxing edibles indicas INDIKA. It doesn't make your body tangle in your tongue not feel it anymore. I mean it depends on the dosage but you know I like it like if you get a good indika it should make you. Have you talked about what happened with you? Joey? I have a whole bid on stage that I opened with now. Are you serious? Yeah oh I might have to talk about something else soon. But yeah you know. What's so so bizarre? I mean I know no one wants to like. Here's talk about talk shop forever. But think about this. Because I know this is affecting everybody's life differently but putting aside you know the seriousness. Think about the fact that as Comedians all we know is to get on stage and you know either either doing sets in the town the city you live in or you're doing longer shows on the road etc etc. All of you know. We need an audience to do it. It's re plausible that we will not perform. Stand up for two months maybe three or form and none of none of us have ever done it. Not but here's the thing none of us like not one of us like so all of a sudden and when you when you're rusty you're fucking. Russ how it's weird so you're going to take all the comics and put them back at the exact same level almost like a reset button. Because what happens is when you're doing it. You know you go through periods of of performing all the time and many days in a row and you get into a rhythm and you get into his own you can tell like when you know when you come back to the store and like someone's been on the road just show show show show and they do their set your like that dude sharp. These dialed in special. And you're like Oh yeah. Yeah Yeah. Yeah because that's just like it's just everything's just clicking and then you can tell when someone's like I went on vacation I got back. I worked for travel channel. And you get well you just go like you can. Just I mean actually. Most of the time audiences don't even really audience just can't tell what we can tell we can tell and even we sometimes struggle to tell some of the difference from personal like you'll be like that was good and they're like Nah. I fucked this and this and that this you don't even really realize it but you as the person performing now you know when you're like my shit was fucking off tonight you know. I got Mr Amiss stuff because I haven't done that joke in a minute. And when you say in a minute you mean like four days or something. Now you know. Let's say it's like June and we are performing again. I mean we're all going to be like So I have two kids. I thankfully recorded my last sets in the beacon yet and And it The constitutional I record them you can. I can listen to them at least in catch up. Here's the other thing. Is that like. There's going to be a lot of Shit if you're a comic better but notebook on hand because there's GonNa be a Lotta Shit that flies out your head and the other part is there's no so my wife's a fucking Nazi That'll be clip out. My wife is a Nazi about this. Social distancing yeah so. We're not hanging out with anybody. Yeah so there's no like you go to a POW house party and you're hanging out with some people and you drop a joke and you're like I worked and then sided in. It's just you with your kids trying to and I'm like so hungry. Isla STARTED GETTING INTO PUNS. Which is fucking exhausting. Yeah and so all day all night. Last night she kept trying to make puns about quarantined. And I was like. We're not fucking court date but but yeah it's GonNa be it's GonNa be interesting man that for all this. I have a bunch of theories. I have a bunch of theories that number one. I think the comics should pair up and go out on tour together and with a lower ticket price people's stretches further. I think I honestly think it's just. There's a social responsibility for comics to make a run of clubs and boost the economy. And those clubs. Those you gotta go to the clubs. GotTa do we gotTa do a running clubs like hit those funny bones in Virginia Beach Richmond. All those ones that supportive of us all those years go in low ticket price sell it out move merch get. Everyone tipped out nice. I mean you've got a there's a it's GonNa be fucking really interesting and it's going to weed out the people that don't give a fuck. Yeah those Hollywood types and there's not many of us in the business but there are the ones that are like no mom take prices fifty five they can suck my Dick. You're going to be like it's stupid. You're stupid and you're shortsighted and you're also just greedy and dumb. Your I will say this too. Because there's you know I know everything's changing affecting people differently day-to-day one of the things I've been trying to do and I think that like people in no I'm serious. I have a list of things of things. I think you've been trying to do. Carbs in my diet been really trying plan. Plan how this plan out. This is the massive genocide benefits. You know fuck it by the way I can have I don't know two bites of rice and I think I put on ten pounds. My Body like as soon as carbs are introduced to my system. It's like you WanNa get fat again. And I mean like really like I I cannot. I have to restrict it completely. You just put on fucking fifty pound incorp yesterday at all I love. How all your all year like disciplined. Things are always like twenty four hours before Iran win yesterday the night before I woke up in the middle of the night with. Have you ever woken up with a sugar tong where you're just like? Oh like it must be. What like those congressmen that are gay. That have been holding it in their entire lives and they end up in a hotel room. Snorting fucking nine dude. And it's got to be the best orgasm of their life Magin. How how hard you come when you're like repressing. You're repressing those gay feelings. And then you go. You know what? I'm not just going to let them. I'm GonNa let them out of a cannon with Meth foxy and Hook male hookers. And just doing everything like like. It's almost like remember when you were a kid. You Fund that if you're interested in partaking in something like that and you'll let us videotape. I'll I'll pay for it. I would like I would love a congressman to come out and go. Hey guys I'm gonna live two different lives. Okay just giving you know wife and kids very happily married every now and then. I'm GONNA fuck massage therapist in a hotel room in Jacksonville with lots of Meth. That's a weekend that's my weekend. GimMe my weekend. I'm back on your vote do that. That was a Andrew Gillum Right. Yeah data like A. He almost like almost became the governor of Florida like He. You Know Close Buddha touches like we're not all like ask worse that's why that's why you vote for a guy who's out of the closet. Yeah because the guy out of the conscience like I just love dudes okay. I don't love fucking hardcore poppers in bath and that fucking in the toilet motherfucker. Tthat do was like Gillam says his name Guillem He he said that that he was just actually just had too much to drink. Not What happened? Hey guess what. I drink a lot of never once been lake men. Either I gotta get to bed or I'm sucking cock in a hotel room snorting meth. I had too much and he also you can tell when someone's lying at like that for a number reasons but one of them was he was like. I'm going away now and I just need to reassess things time to go to Rehab during the Crow Virus. This is when people forget these stories like. Oh Bad news is. This is the best time to have personal bad news. I Bet Ari loves this. Oh Yeah Oh he just went. He just unlocked his his twitter account is like I think texted last night because Donald makes fun of the way already said. Oh yeah or are you just got the news like co Byron again? Thank God. I didn't do that special when it was done. L. Take on that on. What are we with Kobe? Is that white people smirk. Black People smirk. If you SMIRK. You're you're black you're gay. Donald got some really enlightened views on on on homosexual donald. He goes he goes. Why can't you just be an old school homophobia and I was like 'cause Don Don L. is I'm not speaking out on L. He never said that. I'm just saying winter. Go TO GRAB. Yeah Cub Arrays. Yeah so he thinks are gay. No no no he just thinks. I think he I think he was. I think I think he didn't give I don't know I think he wasn't allowed to say I don't really care 'cause you get fucking you can't do that on black twitter fight with younger about what was Valentine's Day and I. You're like Valentine's as not for you. Guys can't we have one fucking day? God dammit you got the whole fucking month of February the fourteenth. That's the CAR TYPO. I'm cool your type so So No I was I was on the right went to it or started being big and I got into. These is a mural on on black twitter. One time you with get your buddies with this before I met them I tell them I got into them. I got into it with him. I can't remember. Can you see Will you type in my at Bert Mentions and then Either Kid Kid. Miro or diesels. Nice and see I. You can read that you can read US getting into it. I don't remember it so I hope not to bring it up to them but they was No sales okay. No no no no no no NO D. Just get away from that. I don't even care. Stop Stop Stop. Keep going keep going. Scroll Scroll Jesus fucking Christ anyone. It's not worth it. It's not worth it. I can't take it out take down. No one needs to see any of this. So shut up. Were you like guys pull up your pants and turn your music that it. No the first one started with on Valentine's Day and I and I wrote I wrote it was trending. That was so bad. So let's just changed. So what did you say to them? I I don't know what that one was was another one. I guess I got up. I don't remember that one but even reading motherfucker is that training. It was vide gifts in the hood. right that was the Hashtag that was trending. Okay so I read it and as I read it it was all very like. Can you start that vida gifts vide gifts in the hood? Hashtag has take vide gifts in the hood the day I think that was it wasn't Vdi Vdi and the hood. The gifts in the hood vide gifts in the hood might be in the hood. Now vide vide gifts in the hood. That was the Hashtag all right well. Anyway so I wrote back That was like all stuff like a get. Get her a glock you know. She needs a click clack Get her a mattress who remembers jumping on a mattress from their kids. Like it was weird. I didn't get any of the ones that they're doing. Some of them were like get her a paternity tests. You know. She doesn't know her. Daddy is or baby. Daddy is when some of them are racist. I didn't know they were coming from all black people. Right Okay I. I didn't understand what black twitter was so I just wrote in how about a classy pen and I didn't realize it was all black people and Black People. Let me up. And they're like your this isn't for use on get. Outta here And then I realized it was all black people and then went. Okay wrote again via given the HOOD ANYTHING DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS SON. And they got fucking irate. I read it was like the same fifteen people just coming at me. And then I I wrote Gimme one more. Try guys and I wrote how about abolishing pain but spray it all over that. Ho and they were like that's more like it and so that was the first one decent mirrow it was about safety pins do you remember a social was about safe type in Bert. Kreischer Safety pins twitter and I said clearly these. Oh there you go. That's it that's it okay. So do you mirrow. So safety pins are great for holding things together like the illusion. You're doing something. It was deism. Mirrow this before I knew them and their poll. Point was like yeah. You know white people going into Pottery Barn grabbing their safety pins and I was like they don't sell. Safety Pins Pottery Barn and I was like. Oh that's such a hilarious broad stroke of white peop- of not knowing white people go. They go to pottery barn to buy their safety pins and so I wrote a message from a man who clearly never been to pottery barn and Bro. I got fucking torn to pieces. I was like never mind tap out. Tap OUT OFF Internet for a while today message. You addict big school down. I think I think Jesus did. He deleted it. Chris Distefano did. That's interesting not me. I think I forget who message but I think Jesus did 'cause I brought it up to them when I did their show for the first time and they were like yeah. I don't remember that and I was like. Oh yeah but yeah the Just did their show you doing their show. At all in your. I'm not going to New York anymore. It's Kinda crazy man. I was GONNA go to all this fucking. Some of it was pretty cool. Press tells you you were GonNa do and I'll do the interview for you okay Tummy. I was GONNA DO Co. Bear okay. All right. Here we go a ladies and Gentlemen Catholic Very excited to announce my next guest. You can see him on Netflix. He's got a new comedy. Special called Ball Hog. You know who's going to say it because he's not gonna go ball hog got groans. Nothing her mouth ball hog. Put together for Tom so Tom. How're you doing this before I have you know so funny you white guys this all blend into so tom? Tell me what's ball hog about is it. Is it new material it is. Yeah yeah they tend to ask you to do one so okay okay so these are all joke. You've done before Yeah I did it on tour and then I did it out of show. Yeah so So here's my question. Tom You. You're talking about your family in this idea a little bit. Funny that you ask They're not into it really now and you have a you have one wife. I have one current wife and a Ch- to child to child's that are both good boys judeo-christian Grayson boy. Okay Yeah Oh okay. Great now in the special you talk about murdering dogs. Now hold on one second. You've gotten some heap before and are you ready for the fire. That's coming your way. I'm pretty excited about. It tends to boost sales all around so every every special. I tried to upset. A group of people did fantastic. Fantastic sound grade. I think I'm GONNA love it. Tom Last question. We do a game here on coal bear. Yes we're I say a word you say the first word that comes to your mind. Okay all right here. We go okay. Tom Gherman we're gonNA play a match. Pass okay where I say. The word he says first word that comes his mind. I then said the next word that comes to my mind and we go back and forth until someone says racial slur here. We go IGLOO. Ice Catch up redskins and he won. He Won. That was amazing. Tom Thanks for having me back again in two years and I won't remember you again. All right what else are we going to do? Police say you're GONNA do What else are you going to do? I was GONNA do full-size run complex sneaker. Show all right what other shows. Are you going to do? This is fun? This is a great way to do this. We get all your pressing right. Now if you can clip these out and go What we should do okay. What other what was the big one you were going to do? Okay look it up and then and then what I want you to do. Is I want you to pull up an interview online and get what questions he asks John Mullany and then me and Tom will take turns answering those questions. As if we were in John. Mullany shoes does that make sense. Ellen I duNno was submitted for it but I know that'd be fun. Hey by the way ellen. We'll have you on our show. Yeah this is really the only guess will ever have we. I loved that Stanley Cup Guy. I would love to have eleanor show. We're GONNA DO Fallon now. I'm going to Conan when I came back him about Jimmy Fallon last night. Yeah Yeah I had a dream that Jimmy Fallon that lien and I were going to a special Oh my God. 'cause you be found really excited about it because he always gets really excited about everything he just you just realizing that. What your dream act or something because you seem like we're blown away. I had a dream. Yeah I had a dream that Just are people roam the land? No so we're going to. We're going to do something with Conan and it was like a very special thing and it was like something I wanted to do. Is White Yoga when we got there and the guy we were supposed to call Wasn't answering his phone so we called CONAN's phone and on Conan's line he was doing a game show and it was like questions about music and I go well Leeann. Let's just answer the questions about music and then we'll get up then we don't have to worry about calling him will just be the winner of this contest and so she was like okay and I kept going communities. Like don't touch me I am. Don't touch me and I was like why. Why can I thought you? She's like I can't tell you I can't tell you. So so Jimmy. Fallon's house was right around. The was like right down the hill so he saw us doing this and he goes. What are you guys doing when I said we're answering questions about music he goes? I know everything about music and I was like. Oh cool. Come on up. So he comes up and we're and Hindley and her work and I go. I'M GONNA go back down to your house and you guys work on this in this game show so I go down and Jimmy. Fallon's girlfriend had invited to Irish girls to come party with them. They were fucking gorgeous. They were so gorgeous right beautiful Jimmy and Jimmy and And Leeann come down and they go we. We won the thing. We're ready to go up and I was like. Oh that's so awesome and I grabbed Johnny. Go don't she was? Don't touch my stomach and I go. Why and she goes. I've been saving as a surprise but I want to show you this and I go what she lifted her stomach and she had a tattoo that said get the fuck shit out on her stomach and all these Irish girls looked like and I was like. That's my wife and I was like you've got a tattoo that she's like. Yeah get the fuck shit outright. Like get the fuck shit out and I was like and then I woke up. I was like married to her. Yeah that was my dream dream as a weird dream anyway. Put what what you're gonNA DO CONAN is. Can we just do fallon real quick? Let's do fallon. We'll never going to get to fallon. Okay let's do fallon real quick so pull up. Are you going to be Jimmy? No no no. We're going to have Jimmy Fallon. I guess the question then. We're both going to answer okay. Okay and and we're GONNA do two answers we're going to do. The answer. Is that would make our fans leave us and then the answers that will make our fans love US okay. This is a new segment onto bear's cave called love us or leave us. We can't play footage from Jimmy Fallon the or you could listen to it and ask us the question there you go. Here's what you do. Well as we continue talking just pull it up on a separate device or something watch it in there see what he asks and then get on. Mike. How how serious. This corona virus been for Josh powder. Not being able to see who's talking to you think you'll live. He's got his his immune system's like really strong. He looks at his hair. Makes it look like he's the guy that goes? He's like the old saloon Hangar hangar owner. He seems like the kind of guy that could like eat out of the gutter and then just like Fart and that would pass a disease through him and he'd be fine. Yorkies sauces in San Jose. And I've been putting them on everything and our friends reached out and they're like. Hey how long are these orange south sauces last and I go other still good and they're like it says a month and I go. Yeah Yeah and then like you gave us in January and I was like. I'm still using it and they're like we tried it and we had horrible diarrhea and I was like yeah. That's what you get when you have been putting poison on my food. And they get I mean. How often do you get diarrhea every day every day? I don't ever shit solid. I've never had a dog shit where it forms the end like. There's close yeah do you. Have you ever see like Nice? Clean logs never. I've never had ironically log in a very long time mostly mess emotionally. It is it is fucking. It's almost like someone grabbed a handful of clay and just threw it at the back of the toilet. Yeah and then and then and then afternoon. It'll be like leafy diarrhea. The woman pissing. Yeah Yeah I see a lot of. Whitney's podcast feeling within these podcasts. She peed in the middle of it and he got up and peed in. The bathroom is gone. No oil no but no but I is. The is the first time in my life where you were averted my eyes but in my head I was like just real quick. Just real quick. She's beautiful man when he really is gorgeous. Yeah yeah she really is. She's a great basketball player. Great Basketball Player. Yeah what are you GonNa Phone Call You? Get a phone call from my business manager to know who's calling me and I'm a little child. He's like look man. You're in trouble. Got Two months. Weeks were dead. We're dead in the water. The knows a fun. Podcast this podcast. Had of fucking blast? Have you done are you? I have never done our podcast. Are you into P no? I don't really care. Did you ever do like a no experiment? Like P and here is kind of old. No never not that. I don't care about that anyone ever ask you to pee on them. No I don jags but not. They didn't ask what happened in the shower. Oh yes go oregon warm. Are You picking on me? Yeah Yeah Yeah I do that sometimes. Now it's like it smells like coffee coffee. Put MY TONGUE. Good on that one. You did one time. I'll tell the story. I don't care yeah. One time I go ahead One time I shit in the TUB with Leeann we were in the TUB and the TUB. What never mind said Long Story Tub? No fucking squirt anyway. What were you doing now? Now that I think about it. It's not a cool story. Have you ever just jerked off Solo? Voice? No no I have just like hey watch this. Yeah I mean I've done it for like a joke. Oh No but you're you're like having a serious I'm no we had. We had it. We were in the shower one time and we're and she was. She was kind of like I was kind of like joking around and going. If you want you to stand over there and I can. She was like she was like okay. I was like wait what she's like. I don't have a problem with it. She's like his last work for me and I was like really come closer. Why don't you kiss me? She was like okay and I was like By the way we could do this every single fucking morning and and We did it once. It was one time. Never I never had the balls to pull the trigger again. Really why I've been a little. I don't know I have a weird thing with I did last night. We had sex last night and I said to LEANNA UP. I said thank you. I banged it out. Oh you really got in there. I put it down. She can get it and she got it now. She she she. I have a podcast by the way that we recorded on the bus that I have to edit out so badly because of all year because of my bus driver on I. Leeann goes is to these say That was from Vallon. Yeah wait what what what did he say It was just? It was is aggressive and I might leave it in 'cause I don't feel like I feel like cancelled cultures. Kind of not right. Not there right now. Yeah I feel like everyone was like. Let's just get through the next eight weeks and then we'll start canceling people again and so I might just leave an anti. Ron Doesn't care. Put it in. A Fox was held and chicks heads underwater and stuff. No He's just. He's he's pitching he's been hardcore pitching me. I don't know if I told you this. He's been pitching very aggressively that for a promo video for the fall tour. We shoot a porn where he fucks Christy mack and so he's like you hire her as a performer to come on the bus. Fuck me you guys watch a fucker. And then you've got at the end. You go pretty boy world tour Mike. Great sounds like a win win for you Ron. And it sounds like a lot of money out of pocket for me when I could just go pretty boy world tour and he was like. Yeah but I get to fuck Christy Mack. Exactly sounds great. Sounds great not that I mean if you WANNA do like a part of that I'll work with our too. I wonder if is that cheating. No it's work right. Yeah Hey works these next ten weeks babe. I gotTa Fuck Christy Mack. Fuck all not just Christy. Mack I want you to take a look at this list and you don't approve of. Yeah so would you down Kristie back. Oh if I was not married. Leeann in a fucking or no even as a working performer. Oh if I was performer. And I think that's how we made money. She might be my number one. Yeah yes. She's gorgeous man. Her body is not make sense. It really doesn't make sense. Yes she she has a perfect but like a perfect but then the skinniest fucking waste an skinny legs and then big tits perfect face. I think you like her. I like I'm all man. Yeah Yeah we have said Ron's I told you this. Ron Never mind that you watch the link we sent you. Did you see now? 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Yeah Yeah okay all right are you Jimmy. Are we just going to read it? Together how about we do okay. You read it to me and then I'll be. I'M GONNA be legit Bert. Doing Jimmy Fallon okay for crater. That's so funny. You're Larry Funny. I saw you at the New York Comedy Club years ago. You there dude. I'm so excited I love your hair. Keep going what was going. Okay Hey big boy and so funny it's is he's got all these other ones. We take this show okay. So we'RE GONNA play this game. Hey Burt so okay. Are you ready? Okay which I don't know these questions are coming. Now I know which of the seven Dwarves d you most identify. Okay okay. I've been waiting for this. Okay Brad Williams we man. Tattoo from fantasy island and I think those are. Those are my three that I really don't like the name any of them all right Tom. Yeah Okay Okay. Wanting to do this is a good one. This is a good one. Tom Yes okay. He's got a special called. Ball Hog your. I didn't even know you play basketball. I do love basketball all right. He's got his Mexico Ball Hog and he's coming right now and Jimmy Fallon Tom. What seven dwarfs the you identify with the most no not. What seven dwarfs with Which these seven. Four name seven dwarfs. I think I'm GONNA throw up. I thought he made read. So that's why you're like Brad Williams the guy. From game of thrones I mean how do you think that question one gun on Jimmy Fallon Williams we man Peter Dick Seven years door for your? I was like why it's a weird fucking question. We're not going to do anymore. All right Tom on Jimmy Fallon real quick. What's the worst thing about getting older? You just know you're so much closer to death every day you know wonder whether or not boogieing perfect just guys. Who Don't hear the question. The way they they wrote it that last one. That's a good question. That's a great all right. Let's let's see if we volleyball. That was the best thing to tell someone in the middle of a hug. GotTa so many ways to go middle of a Hug. I voted for trump. Do Daddy Hug like this remind you your dad's breath Harder. Do you ever have aunt touchy like this? Okay listen out of the box. Best in his animal hug. We're going to take our country back. Watch cows getting slaughtered online. I'm a man with a very special set of skills. Middle of a hug. Have killed poppies. Yeah fightbacks if you can break away from this okay middle of the hungry good you wanna go to Auschwitz like a sightseeing trip. And that's a good one. Just say to think yeah you guessed right uncircumcised why what about just open ended like middle of a hog right hugging. Lean into your ear. He thirsty creepy right. Yeah it's a weird question. I Bet I bet they. Here's the thing that's kind of crazy is is. I guess if I guess what they do. They have to say. Couldn't put a celebrity on a spotlight that now this is these are all rehearsed. So everything's prepped. Really everything's prepped. So they go to them they go so we're GONNA ask you about the disease. Yeah Yeah Yeah of you gave if a genie gave you three wishes. What would they be on there? And then they're writers have written funny answers they they definitely have written and then they go. What do you think of it? And then the guests is probably like no no. Yes no and then goes. Oh I've got I'm going to say and then with Ricky for sure would come up with funny shits as as so you're Ricky Gervais. Sa- were these Ricky Jay vases questions. Yeah what what did he say? Whereas favorite seven dwarfs no they didn't say what are your favorite seven doors which eleven realize how viral that. I would have gone if I was. I'd unfounded hurt him. I like Brad. I Like Peter Dink Ledge we man. I can't even seven though. Now he would have just fallen out of his chair. I bet they would have cut it. I would've made me take it from the top and Redo it now. They would but ten years ago or twenty years ago there had been. I remember watching. I remember watching Don rickles on Letterman. One time yeah this is like right when the PC turn was happening is like right. When I started being comic. And he was like He's a great crowd. Greg Hardy got got Puerto Rico in the front row. I know if we need to get one You know and you can see Letterman with ray and everyone was like what. And Don rickles like Puerto Ricans carry knives. They stab people you like. Did you ever see. Hey Don was at hey dummy. Hey Hey big guy. Hey big boy. Now what was the name of? What was the name of? Don rickles fucking special was at hey stupid. Hey Don rickles Mr Mr Mr smiles or something. How fucking Netflix almost releasing? What is it called not Mr Potato Head? Hey what is like the? Yeah Yeah. Comedy specialists says go to Wikipedia his his last one that he did. It will be Mr Warmth warmth. Do you ever see that. No it is so fucking inappropriate. I saw him on the he was doing like you know. It's like spring training and they sent him to. I think dodgers spring training. And he's like meeting. This is like in the eighties. He's meeting is on the field and they're all you know they're in like a they come up to him kind of like. Hey what's up? Because they know he's GonNa bust and he's like where are you from this guy? He's like Again he's like what Your Wife. Cleaning hotel rooms right now. You could not say that Mr Warmth is it Mr Warmth that go up. Mr Warmth is the DON rickles project. It's a documentary. Shows a stand up and he just he's on stays destroying season. Asian guy goes two years in the jungle. I was looking for your grandfather to fucking years. Look at this guy smelling hand over here. Like just the fucking greatest. The greatest like and you could never do any of that but man. I was crying. Those those guys Buddy Hackett. I met Buddy Hackett once and Dude go to youtube go to YouTube Put in Don rickles wow. We're getting pretty good views on that. Last podcast yeah spring training. See if it's there by the capsule hotels the way to go. Oh my God yeah yeah see insults. We're fourth video. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah go blue headphones on. We can watch this. GotTa love those guys. Do you think your an entertainment coach and the felony hired is GonNa make you guys relaxed. Here's our entertainment looking dog. It's all in jog Tubs which I'd say you ain't got which means I definitely feel Pedroia should go back to your homeland and become a general federal. I know you a lot of years. Now what should play Great Ball? Players problem is the wife. Don't mental life got a lot of money at hello. You'RE GONNA make the Woman Clean Hotel Room. The ballpark's gotta live it. Enjoy a little bit. Get Pedro how old are you now? Meant they larry in this country thirty eight years. He's still talking Spanish. Want you to know. I'm doing ninety nine point nine win the lottery. One two weeks and Acapulco Great Year Finishes Ninety Nine and they got mad at same Gillis. This is bugging. This is hilarious. This is the kids these young kids that are so like woke you. Do you think that they'll watch this? As the way we look at What was the very first movie ever made? It was The fucking very first movie plan. Yeah Yeah Yeah you think they'll look at that and go. What Duffala. Yeah I think right now. Somebody watching this would definitely say that. Why do we enjoy it? Because it's inappropriate is so why is that? What what is it about our sense of humor that the more inappropriate the more. It makes us giggle because most people don't talk like this in public zero. It's like taboo. And Um we know it's you know we know it's I it. There's a there's a there's a dance to. It was like a fine line of doing it. Well the thing is like people never really got mad at rickles Because the the theory is that the audience consents your intent like we know he's not malicious. We know he's not we know it's an act and but he sang things that are like then. Okay less than let's let's take this apart. Why did people I don't understand? I sincerely don't understand why people got upset with your Louisiana joke Like when you go I think we should build around wall around those people. Yeah like like. Do you think it's people that don't get subtlety or don't get new on part of it. Is that part of it? Says that almost in a weird way? We should flag those people and isolate them. I mean I think we kind of do with without making it like a known thing I mean like if you WANNA use that. As an example you know the backlash essentially exists online and then those people make themselves known and then other people see those people and go like you know. Let's isolate those people. You know what I mean so it. Kind OF CZAR. That someone would not see the humour in that you'd stand on stage with a microphone and they would go. This is a serious. Yeah of course and but the thing is. I mean what I learned or I think you everybody out with more of it to me. Well I but I think everybody ends figuring out if you're a comedian. Is you go at first when when you have like people get really upset about what's going on but then you realize that the people that get really upset are never going to be a factor in your life. Because they're not like if they're really upset if they go. I saw your fucking hey big boy in that joke about you. Know the broom and the you know you're horrible person you like okay. They're not gonNA buy tickets to the next. So they're not a factor anymore. You Never GonNa like what I did. That's what Ari's point was This joke wasn't meant for you right. It was meant for my fans. Yes I understand what he's saying that I understand what he's saying. You know the it makes sense to say that. It's not not to go like inside. Baseball and talk about is totally different show. When you were headsets it is do you like it or not. I don't care I've always liked has Here's my question is that I could deconstruct comedy and and specials more importantly all day long I will. Here's how I do it. Is I say something offensive. I do not know it's offensive often until the in the editing bay with a black assistant editor and I'm watching the starbucks joke and I'm like Lou. I wonder how this is going to play. Like I don't think things through right editor like it. He loved it he loved it he was like dude and then. I told him how a whole broke down the joke and how it started and he was like his you fucking serious and then it's it's better. I wish I could have kept it. The way originally did it but it couldn't because people ucla guy in the last star wars. That looks like you know. There's Oh is he the guy that was in heroes. I don't know yeah. I think I know you're trying to use a fighter pilot. Yeah Yeah we're watching the other night. I was like fuck accounts. Like Burke. Yeah he's on tape Heroes a fighter pilot star wars. So here's my question. Is that you kind of lean into it and I know you said this special you lean into it. You like man. If they thought they thought the last one was offensive way. Do they see this well? Yeah there's a huge the every special pretty much has like your you know signature section or used to it so there's a section in like the is definitely not definitely not him Type in cast of Heroes Heroes is a TV show on NBC and then type NBC Hogan's Heroes. And then he's the guy he's that guy right there but he's gotten fat or that's why he looks like that's what it is. Yeah I can't see them find out his name now. Looks like me now. I see the other guy next to Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson Mike Tyson. I can't see who's that guy who is that Oh No that is cast of Heroes. Anyway so we. Here's my question. Are we talking about the people that look like me now? But we're talking about you when you go to write a joke do you is there. Is there subjects that you steer away from where you go too hard? I know but I do think that like things are of interest to you like naturally. Yeah and like I won't I won't go okay. What's a big hot topic? Right now. Like a polarizing thing of mass shootings. I'm GonNa right like I don't. I go look the minute minute our but I think I think in terms of if if we pick up a topic. Mass shootings are a thing that exists and I and I have a a thought and opinion. I feel like something is coming out of will then I do it because my natural instinct is to talk about it? But I'M NOT GONNA go like I have to have a so you think. Do you think co- comedy really is just a representation of your personality and what you find humorous For All of us I think so. So then what comic. What like what comedy do you look at? And you go That blows me away away. His like what he F- like remember Jay London. Yes like the way what he found. Funny what his sense of humor was was like slumber party. I find it. I find it interesting when you can watch somebody like that and you go like. Oh that dude's brain is interesting. You Know Brent winebox like that to me. I go like you might seen that. I like your head turns you what's going on and then you start to really enjoy the ride of like this dude's brain works differently. Yeah Dmitri Morton has a different type of brain yeah like you you watch him in your like because I'll always especially with guys that right jokes like that. When you watch your comedy I kind of shut my brain off in enjoy it like I. It's different with an that's as a comedian but as a comedian when I watched Dmitri I try to figure the riddle out you do. Oh Yeah I guess I try to get like a magic trick. Wow I feel like I I mean some those straight up joke writer guys like were they just go like this is a hundred written. Set up and punches. Yeah think I do the thing regular. I'm just GonNa try to enjoy this Jessil. Nick has the best. I joke in a comedy special ever really with out. Did you watch the special? Which was the very first joke I have a friend whose wife Pretty Christian and she always blames me for his bad behavior and the other day she came by the way. I'm murdering Joke Anthony. I apologize but I'm just I want you to watch this. I remember I remember now. It's just go type in Anthony. Jessil next Netflix. Special even a few. Oh yeah it's the late. I loved his fuck in the one before that we talked about the shark attack. Thoughts and prayers trashes comedy central for fucking thirty minutes. I'm trying to remember the name. It was such a departure from what he does with Joe. Writing he tells this story about about getting slammed by comedy central and I loved it. Dude yeah he's a great comedian. He really is yeah. I take that back Dave's pells park. Got The best. Dave Spells Kickoff Posey joke. That one was great. I actually really love favorite favorite favorite. My the one that I love was the most recent one when he opened with Talking about Anthony Bourdain oh yeah. Here's what the truth is like. The most important element in comedy really is surprised. When you don't expect something hundred. And he's he does that thing in that where he's like he's like you know. Do the best job. And then he just starts telling a story about a guy that was in my medical school or something or law school and then gave his wife up gave his life up for a check and then he ended up being. He saw a footlocker twenty. And like it's this huge long thing that he's like a not once. Did that motherfucker thing about killed himself. I fucking fell out. I mean I really did. I laughed so hard. Here's what's brilliant about. We should tell does is. He's got a way of not losing me Eve when he's not when he's not telling jokes kind of stringing one joke to another man he can take like five minutes and he will not lose me. I don't know what it is. He he subscribed to that theory. And I think it's a hundred percent true that when you're not being funny as long as you're interesting your your captivating to an audience so you don't have to be getting a laugh at all moments as long as you're interesting you're saying something either interesting or you're you know he's such a master speaker that you'll follow him along on those moments where it's not comedy and so he's mastered that like being this. It's like being a preacher. Almost you know like what he just is up there talking. And you're just kind of dialed into what he's saying and then he goes back to jokes. You don't remember that the last few minutes haven't been about something funny. Do you realize how long an off tangent I could get if I had chapelle style like I just be like waxing poetically about fucking nothing. I don't read books. I don't watch documentaries. Yeah should start smoking cigarettes. I think that that that was a great idea. And you know you see about where he's gone with them. Why wouldn't you even try to smoke? Cigarettes donal said I said Donell you smoke. And he has now been aroused. Appel said what he goes. David Chapelle show so many cigarettes. You WanNa quit smoking when around him. Yeah I see I would love definitely anxiety about like getting like smoking and all the fucking bad health things I think. He's all in on a being a legend. Yeah and I think he's just going to deal with he's does that. Smoking is GonNa cost him at some point but I think he's just like okay with it. I mean I I fucking hold such a tight line. Connect so much man. He does want special use vaping throughout it. Yeah because they really wouldn't let them smoke there. Yeah that's why I had to ape. Where do you do that forget? He's been smoking if you're like an all of them now. Yeah well you see him. Vaping is because they were like if you fucking light up a cigarette in this place. We're going to shut the lights off. You know that's crazy but he also smokes. I mean he smokes in the hallways of the comedy store. He smokes onstage. And they're like you're not allowed to smoke here and then he knows now that the that it's a flex like a power move he did it I think. Snl where they're like you. He's like no but who's going to tell me not about how fucking great stanhope brings his own bottle. He brings travels with his own booze Because he can't trust anybody yeah so he always just pulls a bottle of booze out of his jacket and pours a drink and then I can't drink here and he's like okay just makes cocktail. You should start doing that. I just quit drinking Sunday Sunday Sundays. Sundays on how. You'RE GONNA go drinking now eight weeks. You're not going to drink for a week. Some see me you're GONNA see I'm AC- I'm told. I am not so the way this whole house. You're vegetarian challenge. Going it's going fucking awesome so it's been one day one day and I made a brisket last night you're doing brisket. I made a fifteen pound brisket last night. Trying to figure out who broke. Who Lost. I think I had Broccoli by way I didn't I didn't it would have been you because I didn't have. I had Broccoli in a Egg Patty things and eggs for breakfast and then I didn't eat until nine o'clock at night I had Swordfish brisket okay. So I think you gotta by the Dandy suits guy. Well let's wait until this economic downturn. Let's see cheaper can get Dandy suits before? We could probably get quite a deal on them. Not everyone's going out by dandies middle on essential like business like that. Oh they've got to be like what are we GONNA do? I can't figure this one out. Are you trying to support local businesses? I am worried about my sweatshop not spice. That's why they changed. The name of it is what cycle. Oh Yeah I'm worried about cycle. Actually I'm going to. I should call Hannah Drake right now. I don't have a fucking number number. I was GonNa tell her because all these all these instructors that work there are now kind of out of work. Yes and it's impossible to the job and I was going to try to tell them that what they should do is lean into a podcast or lean in to social media And like I I would definitely listen to Hannah. Drake handled is the first on the very first episode. She's the way the waitress came in with the drinks. She's also my instructor for Spin Site for spin cycles ago sweat cycles cycle but she has great player. Great Tastes in music so she put together a playlist and puts it on her instagram. But what did you do is them on spotify list so that people like me that are getting on a treadmill can fund. Listen to music when you don't know what comes up next. Yeah and put together and deal on Go get doughnuts so bad why I know I'm just thinking of something to do. Yeah about my Liam. It'd be so mad at me if I like. I'm not allowed to leave the house except to see you Yeah she has. Put me on. Strict lockdown strict lockdown. Because she's because we asked you to the girls because the girls WANNA GO PARTY PARTY. No other. The friends are off. They're like dominant. Georgia was like I'm GonNa Apis House for the weekend and Liens like by the way if we were in high school. How great would this have been? If you're like oh school's just over now shit. I would have been and I hate to say this because I know that their kids doing this. Yeah I would have been the kid going but I can't get it fuck. Yeah of course fuck it. I'm partying balls. I'm going out in the boat. I'm going fucking wake boarding. I'm drinking. Who Cares who cares. They had their. I would've been that good. Of course you'd be like I don't care if I get pregnant we're all GonNa die. I mean maybe I take that back because AIDS came out when I was a kid and I was terrified. Fucking tariff getting AIDS. Yeah back when we thought straight white dude get AIDS. Yeah I was terrified. I got drunk with a bunch of people from the CDC in Atlanta Takano. My Shit at laughing skuld is a long time ago And I said something. About what diseases do we need to worry about like salt we just bullshitting and I said like and they said something about aids and they all laughed at me one of the guys at the CDC drunk said do you know what we call a straight guy with AIDS. I said what he goes a liar. I Went Holy Shit. All I heard that was. I've been wearing condoms for nothing. Yeah you don't need to wear them when I was like. I'm not like this is where I spend my conspiracy theory but like it would have decimated our friend population like how many. How many kids did you go to high school that have AIDS? That are straight. How many oh you run through them right now. None Zero like that questions. Ridiculous zero of your friends from high school that are straight have AIDS none and but they told you as a kid. You're going to get AIDS. Yeah and it's not like it's not like wheel an AIDS patient in your school. No way did we had one. Oh I'm GONNA top this but I'm dying to hear the story. Well they were like you need to go to the auditorium and We went to the auditorium. And there's just like a lady sitting on stage Kinda like downtrodden. Where like what is this? Don't even tell us what's happening. And then they're like okay. We got This is a special speaker. And you know Blah Blah Blah. Were still like you know listening kind of zoning out. And they're like and you know she's got something really important to to tell you guys and we're like okay and then she's like my name. I forget her name. She goes about it And I have AIDS and everybody was like what because we'd never heard anything like that and then she went on to tell us that she got it. I think from a blood transfusion and that her T. Cell Count was down to like thirty or something. Oh blood trez use that Shit. Got My die soon and gave us his whole. Of course it was so sambre was so depressing and then not long later. They've made an they announced. They let us know their like she died. When everybody's like okay cool? They're like so. Don't get AIDS. They brought us in tenth grade And they brought in a TV into religion class and we're like sweet and pass when they will in the TV wheel in the TV Mister Dante puts in the tape. Hits play and he's a gentleman this third trimester abortion and walks out of the room. And we're like we say full Third Trimester abortions broke apart. The baby pulled out the body parts. What what's crazy is that you know gallows humor were much boys always high school they show a pussy and we go fucking bananas. Yeah like we see a pussy and we're like Oh shit oh shit and then they go in it when I go God. This is going to get an arm comes out. What the fuck they broke apart. That baby piece by piece showed us that whole fucking thing right God damn in and then they put it back in and put it back together. I had to form my personality somehow. I'm sure that did something they bring up they bring in dudes into our chapel and they'd give a speech My name's Dave. I'm twenty two years old and driving down the causeway drunk going the wrong way and I killed a whole family and I'm here to talk to you about drinking and driving and all this or like. Yeah we're not fucking assholes day yeah we have a couple drinks and drive fucking Jesus. I remember that the They brought in coach a college basketball coach and he gave a speech and it was a good speech. You know I forget like but it was. It was some type of motivation. He was a good speaker and then I found out that they paid him like ten or twenty thousand dollars for that. I was like what were and this was not at the. Here's the thing wasn't a big time like top tier coach. But that is part of your that you know job lane that is. There's the speaking market in the you go and you get hired to do these things and I was like Jesus Christ and then years later when I started doing standup My the school reach out to me and I remembered that I was like. Yeah but you gotta pay up. And they're like well. You're an alum. So can you give us a discount? And I was like no and then they go will then. I guess we won't do speak. I speak to my high school in a second. Oh Yeah I'd go this way. You like them. No no this is what I do. I said to speak their. And then I'd be I'd go faculty priests get outside locked. The doors and I would give the boys a lesson fuck in life. What would you tell them? I tell them number one. Fuck school find out what you. WanNa do and do it and love it. I wish someone had told me about comedy so much more. I like this. What's the hardest part about taking this time off is that I don't feel like I feel put upon because I love what I do I will I would work. You know I worked every single weekend I can. Yeah I love doing comedy. It's the bat. And the fact that it's taken away from me makes me like I was so deflated when we were in New Orleans and they came in the bus and they were like who he pulled the shows. I was so fucking deflated and I felt so depressed for the next three days. I couldn't get out of it. I was like I was like. So what am I do? Yeah that's new reality for us but every kid in that room should find that thing. They love to do video games collecting baseball cards. Whatever it is if you love it you're gonNA fucking succeed at it if you love it you got to pursue it you got to pursue. I talk about it in that new special really. I do yeah. I'm serious really because I talk about it because I talked about the fact that we meet a lot of people and it started to bum me out to meet people that go. Oh yeah man my fucking. This is the highlight of my life. Because my life sucks. I'll be like what the fuck man and then they go like you know. Yeah I hate what I do and you're like well. Why are you doing that so it just became like a theme to build off but yeah I believe in that that that I mean? It's something that everybody kind of knows but for some reason they don't buy into but it is true that if you really pursue Work in a passion space. Something you're passionate about. It becomes the best thing ever. Yeah even if all of us became like the they don't realize that like we were obsessed with doing standup obsessed and broke. Yes we were assessed. Escrowing you stay in it forever because your obsession necessitates that you do it. You know you have to remember choice. I don't have a choice. I don't get to but I don't want to give a discount to my fucking school. Okay that's not a loving or not loving standard performance fuck you. I paid full tuition. Why the hell do I have to give you a discount? We had we had We had our baseball team. We played we used to play alumnis and And they were like just local guys that used to play for the baseball team and then our team at the time would play them so one guy was a baker. I think are like a electrocution. It was like every one of them was like he's a cop. He's a firefighter. Yeah he's a bakeries electrician and is before becoming a baker was an artisanal thing. It was like you just were Baker and I remember being on stealing second base and I was talking to the guy and I want him say use the baker and I said I said so. He was like covering the bag and I guess what do you do for a living and he goes Baker? I said do you like what you do is fuck no and I went. Oh Yeah it's horrible and I was. I remember looking at me as horrible to feel that way. Yeah and I remember looking at all the guys that we're playing against and I was like. Oh they all those guys own hated their jobs. They used to be the mandate. And now you look at it and you're like Oh kids. I tell that everyone find the thing you love to do. I also feel like there's such a great. I mean this is a personality type thing but working for yourself like if I didn't have comedy and you go like what would you be doing? I would go well. I would find some business that it's the business is I can do it. Yeah I mean like that's what I love about. This era is You know talking about sneakers earlier and like you. Can you could buy a bunch of sneakers and do a online thing and and you know have them auctioned and sell them. Direct like that type of thinking and work is what I would pursue. If I wasn't doing comedy I would try to make a living not going to an office I would make. I wouldn't go to office. It's funny I. I met a kid who said he wanted to be a Youtube Star. Youtube a Youtube Star Youtube Stars. And then you and then you see that. And you're like you're like wow that's silly and then you put up youtube videos that I edit and fun and then we'll fucking why wouldn't you just get better at it? Absolutely Logan Paul Krugman. I don't know he's got me dial in. I watched a couple of videos because Joe was talking about him and they've really moved fast and just he knows what the fuck is doing and he's got me like I'm watching. The guy watched him get knocked out and then resolute knows like he's living. His dream is living in his best life. Yeah yeah maybe that'd be a fleet. What was I going to mention to you fucking? Forgot just remember. I've fucking forgot. I was GonNa ask you something typo positive Typo Typo of positive of whatever. This is the last thing you wanted to say no. We're not done but I was just I. I remember this from earlier that I wanted to say is that right. Now there's different levels to this and the and affects things differently like during this quarantine I dunno of the stuff's going to be where we are now in a few days when this comes out like there's things you can do You know like I try to support some local businesses. Oh that's what we were talking about. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah I think I mentioned you and like you. Can you know like like for instance. There's pickup dine out food right now. You can order especially from a small place and ordering that food and if you can't afford to to tip them like you're you're keeping somebody else like you're helping them out there but I also feel like you know like one thing like I have a regular guy that pick me up from airport runs and I called him today. Just check on him and I think that that's something that everybody can do is like check on people right. You know what I mean people that you normally see wherever I dunno like in your day to day strolling around or you know local business like even if you can't financially support them you can check on them. You know you can call them. I think it helps. Yeah I think what else I think. Another thing I was thinking today is like there's a lot of our friends in the business who you know like us a couple of years ago. Were just doing clubs. Just doing clubs and there and they have podcast and well. I think what we should do is volunteer like go. Hey Man let me get on your podcast spell. You numbers up to try to boost your podcast. We you advertising. It's a good idea because I think there's a lot of like there's a lot I mean there's a lot in within our own community that were I think we're going to be obligated to do. Look at all those servers. All those fuck in doormen all those people that just their salaries go. They're going to be hurting. Of course I mean we should definitely. I don't know I think one of the things you know we should do. We should do a fucking live podcast out of the store. No no audience in there. Do a live podcast and bring all our friends all one by one and do a fundraiser. Put up a go fund me and be like if you're in the middle of the country you're in West Virginia and you're not affected at all but you love podcast you love Comedy Co just all you throw five bucks at the go fund me and then build a go fund me and then take that disperse it across all these clubs in l. a. of all the serve- rocking already. Tell you how people will try to attack that idea. No 'cause I I know what's going to happen. People will go like well. You're talking about the servers but like I'm struggling to and it's like I understand that like a lot of people are struggling significantly During this time because it's basically like an economy shutting down. I think what? But what burt saying is that. If you're in a position where you can Look it doesn't have to be comedy related. It can be like a server bartender. Somebody with a completely different job. Who is now In a shitty place you can reach out and you can bartenders men if shuten bars down everywhere. That's what I'm saying. It's it's it's everywhere so If your position to financially help somebody you can do that. But also like if you're not it doesn't mean you can't just You know reach out to people and be cognizant of how you represent yourself on social media and the life you're living if you're a young person because there are people that are on your social media that are your friends that are fucking struggling that have lost everything into all. Have a way to pay rent this month. And if you're at a beach party and balls because I mean that's why I I just like you saying what don't depict that. Don't be just be cognizant may be rubbing in it into someone else and that. That's actually not bad advice while it was given to me by. Leeann when I said we should go skiing. She was like she was. I'm not going fucking skiing with you like I go. We'll go to Canada. We'll go to banff. We'll fucking get the fuck out will drive up the tour bus. Some still got a tour bus for Tuck in two months. Oh right already paid for it right. Yeah so ammos feel badly. I bought a Ferrari the other day and it was posting this. I feel like I feel like I go. How can I would if I just sent Ron on the road and my tour to help people? Hey Ron I got a job for you. I'm paying everyone. Can you only get out? Yeah but I don't look by the way I don't know anything I'm talking about an older to me about any of this fucking talk. That kind of advice is very true. Never listen to burden on anything and in having said that definitely watch Thompson. Special Ball Hog Hog It should be streaming now or very soon. If you're watching this the moment it comes out. Thanks everybody I had really. I will say this since you had a great time on. That tour was the highlight of my career. Thus far and shooting. That was an amazing experience. So thank you everybody. I hope you enjoy it. Hosts the one. What's the one joke that would make you make your heart? Swell of people are like dude. I love that dot dot dot joke Man Can I tell you? I'll tell you my let you think. Yeah yeah go ahead and tell me if this doesn't fucking ring very true to this podcast okay. The one about the black guy and from my special I was a when you got to say that it was like those are the two. I Love Your Hitler Joke. I'm like thank you. That's I guess. You definitely watch the special than the black starbucks yet for me I would say the gypsy. The woman at the bar. I can't wait. Hang in my dad. My Dad Yeah. Those are the ones that pride tickled me. Livestream watching your special. I would love that. Okay all right I'll put it on. Hey let's do this. Let's do this next week At the same time no I say we do. When you're special comes out. Yeah I say for promotion. We can we do it here. We live stream where we set up for our fans. We're GONNA watch it together. Yeah and I watch your special yet and then you watch. You've already seen my special. So Yeah Yeah. But wh- comment on it like like fight companion Yelich or fight companion. That's funny it's a funny idea. Yeah it should do stuff like that you should do. Actually we could do it for that. Which is a great idea. And we could do it for. Tv shows movies. We could do with anything. Oh I love that. Yeah I would love what we should do is we should watch it. And so that you're not watching the whole special. We should watch it and then I'll pull out my five favorite clips and then. We'll watch that clip. I'll tell you why I loved it and then you tell me how you wrote it okay. And then and then you doesn't even need to be five. I bet it could be like three and three. Yeah and we'll each do that on the next two bears one cave. We can price it that. What do you think of? Yeah I think we can set something like that. Yeah each pick our two two or three favorite bits from each other specials guy. We'll watch it. Live will giggle. Maybe we'll get high and then we'll and then we'll pick then you can tell me how it started how you wrote it and everything about like eleven us. It's a great idea. That's a great idea. Let's come next unto bears one cave next week. We're here next week right. We should be a net flicks. Hey big boy and then ball hog. They're they're both streaming love. You too bye guys bird psalm. One goes top while the other wears shirt. Tom Tales Stories. In Bird stop machine. There's not a chance in. Hell will keep on their own scrapes. Obey the booze amateur for dirty jokes. Raunchy Labor no apologies. Here's call on.

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Hour 2 - Richard Roeper and Darren Rovell (04-15-20)

The Dan Patrick Show

46:30 min | 5 months ago

Hour 2 - Richard Roeper and Darren Rovell (04-15-20)

"Hi there I'm Zach Braff. Donald face on we're real life best friends. We met playing fake life. Best Friends Turk and J D on the Sitcom scrubs twenty years later. We've decided to Rewatch the series one episode at a time and put our memories into a podcast. You can listen to it home. We're going to get all our special guests friends like Sarah Chalk. John C McGinley. Neil Flynn Judy. Reyes show Creator Bill. Lawrence Editors Writers and even prompt masters would tell us about what inspired the series and how we became a family. You can to the podcast. Fake Doctors Real Friends with Zach and Donald on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. And wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Indika Santos host of a morning show and on the move. I want to personally invite you to my new podcast. My name is Ado show where I'll talk to artists community leaders and people like you together? We'll learn more about the triumphs and failures that empower my weekly guest. You could find my new show on the free iheartradio APP or wherever you. Listen to your podcast. You are listening to the Dan Patrick. Show on Fox sports radio the starting bid for once in a lifetime experience fifty thousand dollars and it seems like it's going up in a hurry it says as for. Who Brady challenged joining me picked. His wife is buddy drake and the NFL. Commissioner Roger Goodell Roger Famously suspended him for Games back in two thousand fifteen. But maybe maybe they're the verbal bouquets. How about the Commissioner Bids on Tom's Jersey and then Tom Invites the commissioner down to Tampa Bay for his first game. Tampa Bay by the way and t shirts are available on the Dan. Patrick Show I'm saying you don't when I found yesterday. Of course I've been cleaning because my wife says what are you doin'. I'll go? Nothing she goes. How about you clean the attic. Okay and so I was cleaning the attic and I save everything I came across this card. Mvp presentation congratulations. And then what's written in is ally Manning's name. This was when ally won the Super Bowl. This was twenty twelve on behalf of Chevrolet Motor Division. We proudly present you with the two thousand twelve. Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport Convertible Centennial Edition which commemorates chevrolets one hundred year anniversary. Chevy congratulate you on winning this. Mvp Award and we hope you drive. It proudly now. That's where famously walked off the podium. Before I gave him the keys because I think he had some kind of Toyota sponsorship deal and I think that was in the tri-state area where you know. He peddled Toyota. And he didn't WanNa be seen with Chevrolet Corvette keys. But I kept this. And then Seton goes. You know what's interesting is ally is auctioning off that Chevy Corvette you have the details on that Seton. Yeah well I think it's part of the same thing the Tom Brady you with Tom. Brady you were just talking about the all in challenge. Oh he's celebrating Sell Selling his twenty twelve super bowl. Mvp Corvette the starting bid was ten thousand dollars. I have there's fourteen bids on it. Now I have it up to forty one thousand And I just think it's funny that he's been it's he's probably been trying to get rid of this thing. It's got this rogue corvette that he's not allowed to use because of its sponsorship deals and then he's like charity. That's what I'll do. It's fifty eight hundred miles on it. I'm surprised that has that much unless he drove it down from New Jersey to Mississippi. I told it was in in Mississippi. Yancey it's a gorgeous car to its titanium the color black leather interior. And like you said it's got under six thousand miles on it. So you're getting yourself a hell of a car. Yeah Paulie we should match. Nfl quarterbacks with the cars we think they drive because we always said like certain. Quarterbacks would drive a mini van. Like Eli doesn't seem like a minivan guy but I could see him having a minivan in the fleet. I would think one of those sprinter vans little souped up Mercedes Sprinter van but definitely you could see him with a family. Van Cousins has one of those he has one of those high end sprinter van. Now I'm I'm willing to include this in the auction. I you can put it on the Dashboard Fritzy. Can you get a hold of maybe somebody with the giants who can help me send this to Eli? We can do that. One thing interesting about the car they won't go to San Diego goes to everywhere else but it doesn't. That's good. I got that much bounce back. Yeah back to all right so I I'd be more than happy to include this in. Whoever buys this that? They're actually getting the card that I handed to or read from on the podium after they won the super bowl so if somebody can help us with that it'll be more than happy to send that out and You get the card. That congratulates Eli Manning. On behalf of Chevrolet he's talking to polly inbetween hours here. A couple of minutes ago during the live look in and I said you know what I was watching last night. Indecent proposal. Now that's you have Robert Redford. And he's a billionaire woody Harrelson is demi. Moore's wife they're down on their luck they don't have money and they're in Vegas and all of a sudden. He makes this indecent proposal of a million dollars to spend the night with Demi Moore now the movie itself. The premise really makes me uncomfortable. But I said to Paulie I don't know if there's a more beautiful woman than to me more when I looked at a few good men. Indecent PROPOSAL AND DISCLOSURE WITH. Michael Douglas throwing about last night. If you WANNA go to school man. She Is Brute. Beautiful like she. She is strikingly beautiful. And it's not an opinion that's just basically a fact. I even said that to my wife last night really. Yeah I said she's beautiful and she goes really and then I go. You are too but I'm saying she's be other people can be beautiful. Not just you and I just said Nancy jumps off the screen. Her and Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman Pretty Woman and Mystic Pizza Julia Roberts jumps off the screen where you go. Oh my God like I got a shield. My Eyes Demy more in her prime movie. Years could nece spectacular really really beautiful beautiful woman ample have you ever seen her met her in person. I don't think so I have seen in met Bruce Willis also beautiful. Yeah handsome handsome. When he had hair until long ago I met Bruce. But I have not met Demi Moore. I'm trying to think you know when the espy's were around you would see people I remember. Matthew Broderick Insert Jessica Parker and they were standing next to me at the ESPN zone in Times Square. And it was just one of those Sarah Jessica hadn't done you know her big series their sex in the city but there are certain women when you meet them when I met. Charlie's there on I didn't meet her. I was playing golf in Vegas. You're amongst her. No I was in the group behind her but she was playing golf with their mom and I purposely hit it into them so I'd have to go up and apologize and I and her mom look beautiful as well but I go up and I said I'm so sorry and she goes for what and I go. Oh I hit my ball and she goes oh is that is that illegal and I go no no I just I you know I hit the ball so long and I'm going okay this I sound like a fool here and I. She was strike. Guano is where you go. What am I saying? I'm sorry beautiful but that was where you. Sometimes you run into these people. I'm trying to think Sandler Sale. Jennifer Aniston was prettier in person than I thought into. Coal Kidman was as well but Samnang always has beautiful women onset. Jessica Biel when you see her and you go. She looks different. It looks different than a lot of people there. Yes shooting part of the problem with those early Demi Moore movies though. Is that like Brought up about last night. And then all of those brat pack movies is that Demi Moore was gorgeous. But Rob Lowe was also fabulous by four by far the most gorgeous person on screen and all of those movies so a kind of you know it stung a little bit. I think well about last night. You're correct that Rob Lowe is the best looking person in the movie in. That concludes the women as well yes? There's actually a line in the movie about last night by Jim. Belushi where he says to Rob Lowe has says the father is. You're too good looking. The best thing that happened to you is an industrial accident. At the live does happen so I was watching that last night. Indecent proposal and a Demi Moore. Yeah Yeah Yeah Todd. He's also in strip tease. Which you gotta put that in the mix of movies worth checking out. If you're a Demi Moore Fan. Yeah Chalker that that would be the only movie you've probably seen of Demi Moore And I saw part of a good man. I didn't like her in Strip tease i. I liked her as just presented as she was an officer in a few good men she just looked like she was dressed normally but she is abnormally beautiful. You know we almost had her on the show. Once when when she was with Ashton Kutcher and you call Ashton Kutcher soft on the Air Ashton Cush. He filmed a video and send it to us and said soft and he was in the car and his wife. I think she was shooting it. She was shooting the video in passenger seat and Ashton Kutcher. Dan Patrick what are you talking about stuff? I'M ROCK-HARD I'm ready to go. And he called and she was laughing. It was awesome. Yeah that's right. We got him and he's handsome but to me would have been a little bit better. Pay Off their already. Welcome to the program already in progress as you can tell dizzy from talking about this. Richard Roeper the film critic. Chicago-sun-times has watched. It's not the Jordan documentary. It's the Bulls documentary the last dance. We'll talk to Richard Roeper about that. I like how Jordan already sent out a quote saying hey you might think. I'm a really horrible guy after you watch this documentary. Mike would purposely pick on certain teammates and Scotty Burrell played at uconn and he was a role player and Mike said that he picked on him because he wanted him tough when they faced the Miami Heat in the New York Knicks in the playoffs but Mike Wasn't afraid of picking on some people including Steve Kerr who will also join US coming up a little bit later on Prescott clarifies. His Dinner Party. I think he's sort of saying you know. I made a bad decision so I'm GonNa make better decisions as I move forward but you know this is an accurate report by TMZ. I'M GONNA take tmz at their word. Here I am over Dak Prescott. Maybe it started out as a small intimate dinner party. And then you had people coming over after the fact but you know you got busted with video and pictures. There and Zeke Elliot. I thought he was an offensive lineman. And when I saw like Zeke come on got to back away from the buffet and another thing you don't have a buffet. Eight or ten eight people buffet. It feels like if you're having thirty you have a buffet. Paulie though is trying to punch holes in my Dak Prescott apology or clarification. He had ten people who are big eaters and over ordered. You didn't break the roles. He didn't have his offensive lineman. They're todd but what if there was more than ten but they weren't on top future the at eight in the backyard five in the basement. Seven the billiards room. But he just then tell us that. He said that he didn't have even ten. I'M GONNA TAKE TMZ at there. Were I'm GonNa Take Harvey Levin at his word that his crew has this story buttoned up here. I think the bigger story now. Obviously that not to be Debbie Downer on it but I usually am but even still even if that only had less than ten people on he still completely missing the spirit of having people over to your house for dinner parties whether ten people or not that's true and a modified his statement on this. It's not an apology. It's more of just a correction. Here of gotTa make better choices. He's also not going to take part in the cowboys virtual. Ota's now Ota's aren't a big deal. You Know Brady stopped going when Zell said you gotta come home and you know. Be Be the role of father and husband here. And he did that later in his tenure in New England. But if you're Dak Prescott and you're trying to negotiate a new contract. Why not put the pressure back on the cowboys to say get this done? I'm going to do everything I'm supposed to do as your quarterback and I'm going to be there for the Virtual Ota's now Ota's you're gonNA work out. There are some meetings you know maybe go over. You got a new head coach. And that's where I should be saying. I owe it to Mike McCarthy to be on board to make sure that he can do his job as well and this is just a small thing. It may not have any impact on the season but the optics is we like to say. Dak is doing everything he's supposed to be doing. Come on Jerry get this contract. There's more value that goes with being the cowboy quarterback than any other quarterback in the NFL and with this comes a lot of attention good and bad and he just got the negative attention. Because somebody took a picture say. Hey I'm at Dax house in that got out now you're not gonNA do the virtual. Ota Do this to have the fans on your side. You're going to be asking for thirty five million dollars and the fans don't care how much you get paid. They just want to know. You're going to be the quarterback there we've been going through this for what eighteen months Dak Prescott on and off his contract. Eighteen months and the longer the cowboys. It seems like it costs them more if they would have done this when I was told they were going to do that that we can the first NFL SEASON. They were going to have his de locked up. But if I'm DAK PRESCOTT I I understand. I can take less but I'm GONNA make a whole lot more by being the cowboys quarterback. I mean you WANNA test. This DAK ended up some other place in your the quarterback there and tell me you know what you're making in advertising dollars spokesman dollars it'll be drastically different there. He's making ten million probably off the field now granted. You didn't make much as a third round draft pick but you know now you have your chance to make real money. And you're not the best quarterback. You're not a top ten quarterback if you get thirty five a year take it and run with it because if you were with the Texans it would be completely different in your value off the field if you were with Jacksonville and like all these other places. You're with the cowboys. You're the quarterback. Go in and be part of the virtual. Ota's be the bigger man than the cowboys turned around and say to Mike McCarthy coach. I'm here for you you know as as best I can. I'm here for you. That's what he needs to do. In my opinion. Get a positive out of this. Don't go nope I don't have a contract. I'm not going to be there. You're going to get a contract. Do this for Mike. Mccarthy I know the Dak Prescott looks around. He goes wait. You made my offensive Lineman. The highest paid at their position. Amari cooper getting one hundred million. Zeke got paid here. What about me? I get it? But they're not getting thirty five million dollars a year in NFL history. Only two quarterbacks have had a higher rating over there I four seasons. Qbr The career passer rating for decades ninety seven the only other players in the history of the NFL. I four years who had a higher rating. Kurt Warner and Russell Wilson. Junior sir seem like a stat of the stat of the day. You dont the first hour. He could go three or twenty three just because of the medical here. And that's why you're trying to. You're getting this propaganda. This big push to go. Hey He's healthy. Doctors are saying he's healthy. I want my if I'm the dolphins I don't want to rely on your doctors. I WanNa realize you can sell their independent doctors. I want my doctor to look at you. It's my draft pick and this could help us hurt his over the next three or four years. I want my doctor look at you. I still don't understand how the one team can can a team like the Miami Dolphins say. Hey look can we send one doctor to you? And that's our team doctor meets with you. Nobody else in the room can nappy done. You'd think that a one person could meet with one other person even in what's going on but then the chargers go well they got to do. We want to do it. Then you're going to get other teams. Go wait we can go workout two. Maybe three doctors maybe how they meet at DAX household doctor and therefore nobody knows how many people are there. He'll get the food on over. I got spread here for you. Zeke's still eaten so he'll be there. Zico ARC ARC now. I know when he's doing that. Where you gotta feed him literally I when we come back Richard. Roeper the film critic from the Chicago sometimes. What are the think of the Chicago? Bulls documentary ten part series. Here it will join us. And Steve Kerr will join us in an hour from now twenty after the hour. This is the Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast be sure to catch us. Live every weekday morning nine to noon eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox sports radio. Find your local station for the Dan. Patrick show at Fox sports radio DOT COM or stream. It live every day on the iheartradio APP by searching. F S are credible dot com is an online marketplace. That GETS YOU PREQUALIFIED STUDENT. 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So is this the Bulls documentary of the Michael Jordan Documentary Richard. Well Dan you were there at the time and you that was always the question is are we talking about the struggles of the nineteen nineties or Michael Jordan. He dominates the documentary the same way. He dominated every conversation about the bowls in the nineteen nineties every interview. Even when they're talking to Steve Kerr Dennis Rodman or Berkeley or anybody else. They're usually talking about Jordan so he's definitely the focal point of his interview. And as you well know. Michael's not always been the most candidates forthcoming and you know honest guy when it comes to interviews. He always kept his kind of close guard. So it's really refreshing to see him open up on so many levels in this documentary did they need to do ten parts. Does it feel like it stretched out just to stretch it out for ten ten parts. If it were only about the Bulls on-court. I'd say okay even team that won six. Nba title doesn't need ten hours. But when you look at the off court soap opera that went on through the nineties from Michael's gambling problems to the tragic murder of his father to Jerry. Krause saying organizations win championships not only players to the Dennis Rodman Circus to Michael retiring in the middle of peak to play baseball. There's so much material there Dan. I mean it actually doesn't feel like it stretched out at all. How deep do they go into? Jordan's gambling it's not. It's not a huge part of the documentary You know they do talk about it there. You know the infamous interview. He himself no favors with Ahmad Rashad where he kept sunglasses on and said. I don't I don't have a gambling problem. I have a competition problem. you know they. They don't shy away from it but it's they don't spend a whole episode on it. Is there one of those? Oh my gosh moments in this documentary. I don't know if there's an oh my gosh moment I you know i. It's not as if we're learning a ton of stuff that you know. The hardcore sports fan didn't know before it's the to me the most interesting thing Dan is to. Cbs Guys in present. Day Michael Jordan. Isaiah Thomas Larry Bird still having that competitiveness. You know some of the favorite moments for me for the documentary. When the filmmakers they'll hand Jordan tablet where he can see an interview with someone that was done for the documentary so they play him Isaiah. Thomas trying to rationalize why the Pistons to shake hands with the Bulls after the nineteen ninety one. He's during Diabetes Conference Finals Jordan. Looks at it then shakes his head and then in kind of an expletive laden way calls is a quite a few names and says he's not buying any of this guys crap. I saw where Bill Laimbeer was on. Espn I think yesterday. And he said Lebron is the greatest basketball player of all time. Not Michael Jordan so these guys are taking this to their graves that that competition that. That doesn't dissipate. You know maybe it gets put on a back-burner but it's always going to be there. And I can imagine Mike Holds Grudge. Mike invented grudges. He created crutches. And you got right he constantly. They talk about that quite a bit as you. Don't he would try. He had find a reason to get fired up for games. So you know if Jerry Krause one point said he really liked Dan Marley then the next time Marley guarded. George George was gonna hit fifty points against him any little perceived why and he actually says the famous kind of you know fist pumping waving thing. He did after hitting the shot against the cavaliers he said that was directly aimed at the Chicago BEAT writers. All of whom had predicted the cavaliers would win the series. And again at this. You're right this is a guy now at fifty that he goes. Leave you bleepers. You didn't believe in us. That's that was for you Jordan. Had A kind of preemptive quote here before this is released this weekend saying I come off as maybe not a good guy in this. I'm paraphrasing basically saying you know I pick on teammates and Steve Kerr on with us next hour and we know what happened with Do they address the punch? When he punched. Steve Kerr in practice in great detail and the fact that he would pick on. You know you might. You might remember the same as we would call. Will Perdue will vanderbilt. Because he said he wasn't tough enough three days after big ten eight but he you know he was. You know let's face it. The Guy was pretty good. It was kind of Don rickles a practice but you know Dan the Bulls practices. Were you know famously intense and he would pick on. Somebody like a Scotty Burrell. Who came out of college as a top rate player but was a super nice guy and Michael would just pick on pick on him pick on him and you see guys like barral and just kind of secondary players saying no. He wasn't a good guy at all. He was not nice at all but Jordan says. I never asked anybody else to do what I wouldn't do. When it comes to working out staying on the court playing talk for so he made everybody around better. We're talking to Richard Roeper the great movie critic Columnists chicago-sun-times Rodman. More interesting on the field on the court or off the court considering he was married to. Carmen Electra dated Madonna everything else that went along with Rodman. I remember being on the sidelines of a game. One day talking to a bunch of beat writers. And they're like what is this nonsense you really didn't Madonna like she's right behind you come to Chicago for the game. You know the antics to one of the most fascinating things at one point In the in their final run in the ninety seven ninety eight season bribe and said he just wasn't motivated he needed a vacation and fell and Michael unilaterally decided let them have forty eight hours of he went to Vegas on a vacation. Carbon Electric is in this documentary. 'cause I didn't know he had a game that we bat default there. Can you imagine now? In this day and age a player to coach take forty eight hours off and I didn't know about it either until I saw them in the news that he was in Vegas two stories that now have a lot of story. Some that I can't tell at some polls was Rodman. Had A birthday party at a place called the crow bar and I remember going in and it was the second floor and he had all to himself and he always thought I was craig segment forever. He D say. Hey what's up? Segler and I go. I just got to the point. I answered for Craig Sager. You went to the bar to get a beer. There were the bar was full of kamikazes. So there's no place for anything else other than if you went to the bar you had to do a shot and then Dennis Wood shot and he had a Chicago police uniform or shirt on and I remember I left at four in the morning and he had a game the next night. So Rodman was there. When I left the Crowbar I get to practice. They have a shoot around in like ten o'clock. Eleven o'clock icy judd. Bush Ler Steve Kerr and go here. He ran into Dennis last night. I was here and he goes. Oh Yeah Yeah. And he's down at the other end running around a madman and I think he had eighteen rebounds that night in the game and the other one was. I'm at a game against Seattle in the NBA finals. And I'm I'm covering Seattle's huddle for. Espn radio and I see the conversation that that they were having with like they were arguing in the Huddle. Jordan was yelling and everybody was yelling and Phil was standing there. Phil finally goes and he said something like shut up or whatever and then everybody stopped and then he basically said shut up so Michael Tell. You well we're going to do and I was just like Oh my God. The other time Dennis was playing a game ball goes out of bounds prince in the front row and he goes over and he starts to talk to Prince and Prince doesn't acknowledge him and prince's bodyguard. Says you have to talk to me and then I tell prince what you're saying. Some so Dennis is talking to his bodyguard who then turns to prince because Dennis wants to know of prince wants to go out after the game was told like just so many things happen with those. When's the last time you remember a team that everybody loved unless they were facing your team? These guys were true like Golden State. We turned against Golden State. After a while. You know the Patriots you turn all these teams you just go. Oh I love her hated. The Bulls had a fascination that didn't turn other people off which is amazing. No you're absolutely right What remember when Jordan came back and went to Madison Square Garden? And there were signs on Broadway York welcoming Jordan back and it was great. You know a a segment of the documentary where the Bulls would Paris going to one summer and the French media. We're going I mean they were. It was insane and Michael whereas for a parade you know it really was you know and I know you know the younger folks are sort of like. Oh there's a lot of great teams like the Patriots but then what you're saying is true. The universal love and respect the magic. Johnson is a beautiful quote. The documentary where he's like losing to the Bulls was still an honor. You know to Michael Jordan and the Bulls. That was a different level. You didn't feel bad. Held your head up. High P lost the Chicago Bulls at that time and I still looked back on the role that Jerry Krause played. And who was more responsible for the Bulls being tonight? And I don't know if it came down to fill versus Jerry Krause or Michael Versus Jerry Krause Jerry Krause the. Gm help build the team and he was going to disassemble. A take. The wrecking ball to it. How do they address that? Why was it the last dance? Why didn't they stick around and try to make one more goal of? Yeah that's A. That's a central theme of a documentary. And I do agree with you. I think you know Jerry Krause. Steve could talk about this deeper but he was his own worst enemy but he I think he is unfairly maligned for you know a few comments because when you look at what he did building those teams you know people forget pippen was actually drafted by. Seattle. Bullshit orchestrated is trade for him. He found Horace grant he always found the perfect Guy Jordan and pippen. Were the only two guys who are on all six of those teams. He always found a guy okay. We need a veteran. We'RE GONNA get bill. Cartwright we lost horace grant to the magic. We're going to bring it a rebounder. Dennis Rodman we don't have Paxton anymore. We got John Steve Kerr you know they all. He always figured out a way to put the perfect pieces in place. He's also the guy that recommended Ryan's door that they bring in. This guy named Phil Jackson was in the outer edges of organized basketball and they brought him in as an assistant and then eventually you know. He became the head coach. So you know krause you know unfortunately is not remembered while you know he needs set the wrong things if any did he wanted to dismantle that team probably a year early to tell so Jackson before his final year. It even if you go eighty two zero. You're not coming back that's insanity because it couldn't have been monetary reasons could it because Mike was making about thirty million dollars a year but for so many years Mike was the fourth fifth or sixth highest paid player in his own team. He made so much money from Nike. But I I didn't understand. Was it ego to say. Hey I can do this with another team another coach or was it money. It was definitely ego. It wasn't about money it was definitely about ego about wire. These happens in business. Sometimes to a program director doesn't understand why bother why. The host is getting all the attention when he built the radio station and Jerry Jerry cans laughing. He doesn't know what I'm talking about that. That's never happened but I think unfortunately. Yeah Jerry just you know He. He didn't get any credit. You know he wanted that. And you're you're absolutely right. And he wanted to get rid of Phil Jackson. Say Goodbye to Michael and start all over again with Tim. Flied and rebuild the dynasty. And we all know how that didn't work out great stuff. Richard is always. Thanks for joining us. We look forward to watching it. Thanks Dan let's Richard Roeper the last dance party. Espn docu series on the nineties bowls. That premiers this Sunday Richard also has a podcast called feel-good movie as they break down. Richards picks for best feelgood movies. John Ras for comedies to scary movies to Scifi to classics. We'll take a break. Darren reveals sports business. Reporter is going to join us. What's Darren GonNa talk about other than are we still facing potential cease and desist from Tom? Brady and add the NFL draft draftees. All right office. Okay I I'll just give you a little bit of a tease here. Why we're GONNA have Darren on now. We we haven't heard from Tom. Brady's camp and maybe we don't. Maybe Tom and I can work this out. Like Gentlemen in Oh ten paces and Abdul or something like that but the other thing is these draft picks are going to be at their homes and they're not allowed to have any commercial endorsement. What so ever unless they use. Nfl products they're not even they're not even NFL employees yet. So we'll talk to Darren. Reveal about that and Steve. 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Dan I mean we saw when Mariota and and Winston stayed home and then probably got you know fifty thousand dollars each to To do beats by Dre have beats by dre headphones when the NFL's deals with bows I think the NFL has been monitoring it over the years There there was that moment with Charles Harris when he had sasquatch in the background of the You know I think rich. Eisen confused him with or or maybe it's Trey wingo confusion with CHEWBACCA. Which she wasn't Jack Link's Guy But yeah so over the years it's been happening last year. Espn said Hey. Don't even think about putting a brand on the camera when the guys coming in. You know we don't want to be taken advantage of and this year a four page memo from the NFL. Essentially saying what you can eat drink and where okay so the fact that now they can face a fine. They're not an employee yet. How does it? And that's that's the problem. It doesn't specify any type of penalty because they're not employed by the league. They haven't signed a group licensing agreement with the Players Association. They don't have a contract with the league. Basically what the League is saying is this is an NFL brought to you by our partners Espn ABC and the NFL network. And if you WANNA be on it you have to only use our sponsors and abide by all these rules now. I mean I guess the question is does does the guy who's in charge of marketing for for two. You know I mean. Does he do his own stream? How valuable is it to be seen on the broadcast? And Is it worth it to take deals from? Non Sponsors non sponsors are going to pay you more. Yeah right because they don't have a deal with the NFL. This gets them in So that's that's a question will over the next week. You know anything happened where a guy is gonNA say. You know what I'm GonNa do it live Cam of mine and I'm just GonNa take all the money and and the NFL really can't do anything about it and obviously someone's not going to be picked because of that you know We don't like that. He's he's going against us so the NFL really doesn't have any recourse. Yeah if I'm one of these guys as a mid First Round or late first round or second round pick and I have a chance to get product placement. There I go for you know. I'm not an employee what's the NFL GONNA do? Yeah Yeah people people will say. Well if you're a second round pick like what your marketability remember. There were guys. Who have plenty of marketability from their college days where an entire college will watch their live stream. They so it's not it's not only you know the first couple of guys there are guys who come from a big college who can get a fair amount of audience by going alone. I listen to the. Nfl has the right to do this. I guess if they go on the broadcast but Now what about Uncle John if I if he's six feet away and he's walking behind the couch at the right time with a Dr Pepper? Well let me maybe family. You know there's a lot of intense. They always do deal with with the uncle. Tony and the the people in the box of the plate. Hey we didn't deal with to deal with. His Dad happened to be walking behind. Justice is often worked for selecting the pick. Good Stuff Aaron. Stay in touch. Let us know if we'RE IN TROUBLE WITH TOM. Brady I I hope. Sales are going really. Well they aren't there brisk is there it's pre pre lawsuit preseason desist sale going on right now. Daryn rebel sports business reporter for the Action Network. You know he was talking about tennis. I don't know why we couldn't have tennis resume. If you don't have fans by the way fans are told to be quiet during a tennis match now in between points. Of course you can make noise. But let's say you we're going to have your you have social distancing robotic cameras. I do have to have a head judge there my empire but I won't even ballboys. Go get your own tennis balls but you could still do tennis golf and now it feels like we're starting to turn the corner here though. I think in the next couple of weeks. Maybe the next week we're going to you're going to start to hear a little bit more hopefully planning but I think it's going to be premature but it's GonNa feel like we're getting closer to having some kind of sports come back. I get that feeling that we're just about on that. Edge Steve Kerr will join US coming up final hour. We'll get to your phone calls as well and we'll put the finishing touches. Tom Brady in his Tampa cream sickle uniform during the final hour coming up. Dan Patrick Show. I'm Dani Shapiro. Host of the hit family secrets. I just launched a new podcast called the way we live now. 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