19 Episode results for "Indigestion"

 Perfect Health: Traits of the Vata Type

Daily Breath with Deepak Chopra

02:03 min | 1 year ago

Perfect Health: Traits of the Vata Type

"Come back as we continue to practice befit out. We begin this week by undestanding. The body types. What is the vodka type here are a few traits of the tape? Light thin bidded. Perform collectively quickly has irregular hunger. Indigestion is prone to insomnia has enthusiasm by viciousness imagination. Changes Moods quickly is quick to grasp doc new information also quick to forget new information dense to worry. Tends to have constipation tires. Hi as easily physically. Vodka's the thinnest of the three body types. So what should what is due to work on total health. What is needed to do everything that is the opposite of of movement and that is therefore slowdown through meditation? Through deep breathing through to warm foods two days that are actually sweetser and salt combinations in a lot of this information Russian is also found in my book. Perfect health the complete mind buddy guy.

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Acid Indigestion, and Bloating

Green Wisdom Health Podcast by Dr. Stephen and Janet Lewis

32:52 min | 1 year ago

Acid Indigestion, and Bloating

"Hello and welcome to this week's edition of the Green Wisdom. House. Show I'm Janet Lewis, and I'm scrambling to get on the microphone well, and that's what we're going to talk about acid reflux from its. today's show is called acid indigestion and bloating because of ironically we've been having a lot of clients come in that have been telling us about having real bad heartburn and indigestion outlaw if it's from what they're watching on the news or facebook or water combination of all of it but Dr, Lewis going to talk with us today and tell us what we can do. About those things, many people get on P. P. is and our prescription medications for that kind of stuff, and then it causes other issues. So Dr Lewis is going to tell us today what we can do to help that and some other options that are natural that you might consider in place of. Well, we won't tell you in place of your prescription medication. We will tell you that it could help you as much or I'll be a lot healthier choice and that would be up to you. So Dr. Lewis educates a little bit about. Indigestion and bloating and what's causing that please your mother needed to take I think was the purple pill because it gave her great relief and won't take it. It's okay. But, have to take a lot of digestive enzymes. With it and I'm going over some notes just kinda happened on this because I'll take a lot of seminars like holy. Jeeze. I take too many seminars we're going to Tulsa. Tomorrow for another one and I just got over two weeks two weekends of seminars the other day. One note says If you're all all hyped up and anxious. You need glutamate why glutamate glutamate heels the gut lining it kind of segues right into what we're talking about one of the best things. Jump The gun and just go to GI support. That's one of the powders that we have and the first thing in it is free form glued to mean it's really really really good and then it's got in a CD glucose Amee so there's I guess jet gives that to me in the mornings but how your guts are doing is reflected by how you think. How you speak whether you're happy where you're sad where you're? Agitated or not so think. More, glued to mean because that helps the inside lining of your Gi track. He'll that helps with anxiety as well. Correct. Yeah. And hopped up. So when I'm agitating heck out of Janet maybe she needs glutamate or maybe I do we're not sure. You know that that's pretty good one. let let's just talk about acid indigestion and all that, and you know I'm just GonNa ramble with notes. You know there are things that you can take that decreases the. Histamine reaction, which is. What's that serenade? A is. What area lunch you know whatever that is there nate helps break down the dairy. And some. You and and since I've Gone so-called gluten free and that's owner wheat Zumur Bundle on our website specialty test. I've gone gluten free. That's not really gluten free. Year that's almost impossible if you eat out. So I take that and about ninety five percent of all, my gut problems have gone away and I, it was pretty serious. So you need to start eating. Real food. You know you want to get rid of the sodium nitrate in the hotdogs a vanilla and cream be h. t. h. a. all that kind of. Stuff. You need to eat as little processed foods with the fewest ingredients possible, and that's one of the things that causes a lot of. so-called acid reflux and and there's a lot of possibilities. Can Be an overgrowth of H. Pylori and but you know I tell people go to good gi doctor had them do their scope and make sure there's not a big booger bear in their bogert would translate into something really really horrible. That the medical profession needs to deal with and. So many people come to us and they're so anti medical you should not be anti medical, they will save your Bacon and Many many many of us have to low stomach acid. His called HYPO Pleura hit area. You know the technical term, and we'll talk about that a little bit because usually when they go to the doctor. They tell them that they have too much stomach acid and that's why they put them on the PB is a little purple pill veto. Colored Pills. had. Based on symptoms and and Okay I. Think it's a noble thing to take a drug to feel better. There's nothing wrong with killing pine and. Making the symptoms last or making them go away completely. But are you really getting to the underlying problem? That's the question did a TV commercial one time and I said you're all lights coming on and I got under the hood and I clipped a wire I said up all night went off because I just clip a wire. Now let's go driving around see what happens and you know that was a good analogy. I got a lot of feedback from it about ninety nine percent positive and other people said, you're silly as heck. will yeah so. Most of us. Count the majority maybe fifty percent maybe a little bit more have different gastric symptoms and some of the experts say that you're harboring Pylori. Well, that's bacteria they say causes Ulcers, but it can be other bacteria. Also, and if you have higher hydrochloric acid. then. You're going to kill out that stuff and you need to take course massive products to that. That helps and Janet, said something one time About. Mastic Gum said Yeah Kills Lori. She said, how do you know that us? I don't read it somewhere. And she looked it up. So that's a real obscure study I said, well, maybe I, surely read it twenty years ago I don't know. But this digest as. I told a friend of mine's. Husband they drove in from Dallas, which is about two and a half hours away that came in yesterday. He hasn't really really horrible. I said, well, number one quitting. Wait. You know that's been written in wheat belly and laugh without bread there to really books but it has Digi L. or D. Glacier ice liquorice, and it has mastic gum. I said this stuff so good you can bootleg it. It really works that well, and in a heard that from all kinds of different patients and their little biddy while they're not little bitty, they're like a little waiver type deal that you could suck on right after you've eaten the offensive food or you're having indigestion type episode and it will calm it down in this. This guy they're married a friend of mine's daughter She's like a daughter to me. I said Sean is kind of like, wow, never mind I won't tell you what I said, but it's nasty nasty nasty but it's better than what it was and he said well at makes it sound attractive I said well, it's. Taste bad. But it's about one hundred times better than what you're feeling with your acid reflux and you're going to end up you know scarring your soft cassettes wildlife for people to go to their Gi doctor and get a scope to see if you have birds. ASAKUSA. Receive it's turned into cancer. That's a good thing or medical doctors do really good work. We work together with many nurse practitioners, physician's assistanct. Asti osteopaths, medical doctors. We get really good results but so do they. So let's get. Healthier and intestinal despite houses many many people have that and. We can kind of suspected if you're quite phosphate is low, which means you need Saint Bo l. a. p. have too little. Thank you have lowered immune system. And it almost always means you have too many bad bugs not enough good bucks the book. And Yeah. Re dozens and dozens and dozens per year and some are not any good. Don't think just because I wrote it down means it's good but the book. This is probably the easiest to read is Kinda skinny gut diet. Alone it out, I don't know where it went. Jesus. Hope it comes back to me sometime. diseases that can be diseases and symptoms that can be from. acid reflux or intestinal despite houses. You can get to ulcers, peptic ulcers, duodenal ulcers, gastric ulcers you can get gallbladder disease and people say, but I had my gall bladder taken out. They don't have a clue that that Mitt there was dysfunction in the first place. Just because you take out the vending Oregon doesn't mean the condition that created it is gone. It's like when I had a headache, don't take my head off Yeah. SMART. I looked like that. People have spastic colon gas. Cramps. Intermittent diarrhea and or constipation indigestion IBS for short but Re. Bouts of pain. some of the reasons is food allergies. Can Be or overgrowth. Candida, that's why love our saccharomyces velocity because it's a yeast, but it takes candidate on and dances with it and curious it out when you have a bowel movement. good products in in addition to the probiotics saccharomyces. glutamate glutamate glutamate, and more glutamate, and that's why this the GI stuff I mentioned earlier is really really good. You know you know you have a GI issues him royds. And that may be from constipation. Diverticulitis de when it gets implying turns into diverticulitis. They found that only one time doing that coronary calcium scores like how can you find Articulo says down in my guts, you're supposed to be looking at my heart. I said, well, we look all around I said, what else did you find or not find, but that's another story. If you have. Black Tori stools or you have blood go see your gi doctor and yes, you need to be doing our stuff but not. Without seeing a doctor also. some of the crumbs disease ILIAC blood in the blood or mucus in the bowel movement. Can Be caused by Diet and that's why are we Zimmer Bundle is super duper holy. Jeeze. Important. Oh we were gonNA read. Them Save that. Is All my notes like you're reading my mail over here literally psychotic I'm sorry sake So the Food and environmental toxins, chemical dust mold allergies can data and you need nutrient protocol. Most of us have too much. Candida. From you know the the intestinal despite now, most of us have those books were written thirty forty years ago. the East connection go get that book and read it in his life. Oh. My God now know why Dr Lewis put me on probiotics plus the SACCHAROMYCES probiotic East. And people get so much better. So read grain brain that's a good one SEPE. Experience acid reflux symptoms more than twice a week. You're very likely having reflects disease or Gerd, which involves bloating burning pain in your chest and gut discomfort. Gerd sufferers who experience pronounced reflex symptoms. It's more concentrated in the upper throat area including the foreign ix and voice box, and they may have a more serious condition called. Laron Geo. Bernard Gio reflex right after this. It's called L. PR. And it occurs when Pepsi's enzyme from your stomach damages the sensitive tissue in the back of your throat resulting in symptoms like a lump in your throat that doesn't go away. So when your doctor mentioning glutamate and these digestive enzymes, this is another part of it that if you have this, you might want to consider using these products excessive throat clearing or throat mucous. Is this sign of gird. Hoarseness. persistent cough, or sore throat. Trouble breathing or swallowing. So consider that and the other thing I wanted you to mention because we're pretty excited about this too We've got a new product in a lot of people don't know the difference between a probiotic and a digestive enzyme. If your patients of ours, you know the difference because Dr Louis tries to educate you about all that. But a lot of people think that that's the exact same thing. So I was hoping maybe you could tell them about our new product that we just got in. We've always had digestive essentials for those of you that have been taking enzymes they were capsules that you take in the middle of your meal. Generally for the people at eat meat because the OX bound hydrochloric acid that's in it but could you tell them about our new product and what it helps with or you know it's a different blend of digestive enzymes. We call it chewable digestive essentials V, which doesn't necessarily mean it's Vegetarians your vegans but for people to eat a great amount of vegetables and the people that don't like to swallow like me because of some of the symptoms. So we talked about with the throat. I chew up now and. I usually put my digestive enzymes in the middle of meal but I think it's really best to do this before the meal and their chewable they Thais pretty good there little bitty. They're super tiny some you just put them like put them in my purse and I'll like a one hundred and eighty of them in there I think you take two of them right before you eat. They do a different action than the ones that you're taking capsules. Correct. And frankly. I don't carry digestive enzymes because Janet does it for me. I'll take at least two different types with every meal right now having great chiropractor because my purse is so heavy from carrying all these pills around give during lunch. Well, it's not a forty five automatic, but I wish she'd carry that too but she doesn't. Goes they're head. Well the what what we're excited about. You know I. Have One Lady Right now that you talked about the digest ease, which is the mastic on people that have the heartburn indigestion stuff this lady. Literally goes through two bottles of that digest ease a week. She absolutely loves it. There are sixty cap, sixty tablets in that one. So for somebody, go through one, hundred, twenty of those a week. There's a bad digestive problem on today because she don't wanNA swallow any pills I talked her into getting a bottle of these chewable digestive essentials be and she's like well, what will that do I said probably save you a bunch of money because you could take those with your meals and cut down a wire having all this burning. So how is that different than a probiotic? Well, and also this lady is a doctor's wife and I told her husband the doctor. You know she s to do that now that's good. It gives her that much relief but I bet she said she has something else going on. So get her checked out medically and I'm telling the doctor this. how's it different probiotic probiotics actually can help with gestion but they they help with your neurotransmitters to make you healthier and happier and and you know there's a book call this the Gut, the second Brian or something to that effect. the probiotics help with Sir Tone Dope. Dopamine. Gaba. It's They. Do some similar things but you need both you know at the probably the most simple way I can put it. but they do help with incomplete digestion. But so do the digestive enzymes and that will shift the balance if you will of the gut. microbiome or micro biota shifts it allows them to for ferment the undigested food stuffs in the GUT microbiome. Microorganisms. We'll stumble over myself with that one, but they kinda do double duty. But that's one of these things as synergistic probiotics plus digestive enzymes. One plus one equals the power of three. So it's energetic and what they do said don't think once complete because to is actually. Worth, the effort of three. And another interesting little tidbit about the PPI of you're taking a medication for acid reflux or heartburn. They actually can put you at risk for bacterial infections. They had a steady that was published in the British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology and ended indicates that the use of PPI's as well as H. Two blockers. Like Pepsico Tagamet Zantac may put you at an increased risk for gut infections and this study involved about five, hundred, sixty, five, thousand adults. They discovered participants taking certain heartburn drugs had a one point seven to three point seven time increased risk of developing. Bacterial infections due to the to the suppression of stomach acid production. So, and what made me really curious about this article is we actually had a lady that's had some pretty bad issues and and They've got her they put her on a Just a regular, no antibiotic type thing for Gut and she contacted us and said did y'all give me something that's causing me to have my stomach feels like it's on fire and I said no, I said you'd better go check your drugs that you're taking which coming here yesterday and told me that the antibiotic that they gave her because she's got these gut issues. Actually burned her from the inside and it burned the inside of her mouth or lips she said. She said they been known to be having to take to a burn unit because it's so bad what it does. So don't think that those drugs are really making you healthier the maybe getting rid of your indigestion and heartburn, but it's not fixing why and that's what we're trying to help. You learn how to fix it with something natural. But also you talked about the we zoom test the bundle. And a lot of people have been looking at that they've been online. They don't understand really what's going on with that. It's more expensive test in their opinion and yes, it is and yes, it's a lot cheaper on our end than what you would get somewhere else. that last. Young lady that we had do that test got about a ninety five. Page report about what all was going on with her, and she'd had problems for a long time and could not figure out why she was having these little red bumps pop up all over her skin. We helped her with our regular lab work and she was pretty good at her young age of taking. consistently taking supplements and her mother of course encourages her thank you on you. But we took it to a greater degree and so I asked her I said you know. People are listening to this or trying to read this I don't really understand I said, how are you feeling said you've done the test now you bought the products that went with it. They are a little bit different products than what we give out for lab work because we can tell exactly what's wrong as far as gut related type things which you need to be staying away from, and she wrote us the nicest letter that she gave me permission to read and I wanted to share it with y'all because I thought it would give someone out there hope and maybe help give them the confidence to go ahead and take the next step and get to the root cause. her name is Lauren and she wrote and said I've been feeling great my red bumps or completely gone that she'd asked us about for a very long time. I've cut out everything that you suggested and I have had so much more energy and less bog. I've been able to do more productive with my days and even started working out I two weeks had some pretty bad symptoms red bump. Flare ups, headaches, lethargic nausea. But after that subsided, I've been great I just recently purchased an in in-home infrared saunas I'm hoping that speeds up my detox. I've already told so many people about the food tests I absolutely think it was accurate I'm excited to see even more benefits as I stick to this new Diet surprisingly my food cravings have already changed and I haven't been missing any bread or coffee. As always thank you for your continued help and support and thank you Laurin for letting share that because some of that stuff is kind of personal and private to a lot of patients out there and she wanted to make sure that she was able to reach out and help someone if they. Wanted to take the next step and she's been St-, I mean she's literally been telling everybody to go on our website and by that test because she was just blown away by all the information she received on it. So Lawrence usually sweet and reserve, but she's a big spear of power and influence because she has sent people from. Way Different parts of the country to get these tests. So thank you and bless you. And we had actually a another question from a girl named Jennifer that said I get these spots and rashes that come up in various places but mostly on my arms torso and neck and chest area. They don't. They don't bother me other than they their appearance have you ever seen this before? Something to try. Well, that's a lot of the exact same of. Symptoms that Lauren had when she decided to do this test and like I said, it's a one time fee at the right now at six hundred dollars but it's not like you've got to do it all the time you need to do it once just to see. What you're working with I, think it's a big eye opener about where your health really is. It'll it will make you realize what you should and should not be doing when you get finished with it. It's not just Dr Lewis and may tell any of this. It's actually written out, and then you're you're able to see it. So. penny wanted to know if you have any in-depth report on your Bucci experiment with the specific probiotics that would be fun to hear about. I don't know about end because I have to get. So detailed with what I read and what I do on patients lapse. I don't WanNa do anything that requires instructions are detail. Once I get out of the office but. I did KHUMBU. MIDAS Gobi out of the sacrificies Balodia made a Scorpio, the pro bowl lean, which helps you lose weight ripper back to the Skinny Gut dot book. I did it with the probiotic synergy did it with the profile ease? I. Did it with the pro bowl complete all of them made a really good Scooby. It all tasted good and then. Well, I know it tasted pretty good and I guess it's working my guts are so much better than they used to be but then I did that test Janet was talking about the Wheat Zimmer bundling it told me some things and it's like holy cow as Dr o'meara said self-diagnosis is a calamity on a good day. So don't diagnose yourself in that kind of goes into what I just got. Something shooting strike from. Cindy. Down from Fort. Polk. Louisiana. And she's tried all kinds of things. I. Think. The worst thing you can do is treat yourself and the old adage of too many cooks spoil the soup sometimes people get so. Focused on what they have that's wrong that they can't focus on what they should. are what help would look like, and that's why one of the books that are I tell people to read read the biology of belief if you don't want to read the Bible, but it also says what you focus on what she speaks which get. So we're bad all of us are bad about focusing in speaking about well, this hearts and this is bad. And I read this and I'm interfere about that. So you have to get refocused but the biology of belief will blow you into a new reality of how to think and how to create. But I think in Cindy you know I think you're doing too much too many different disciplines and not really getting super deep into any of them. Pick somebody you really really really trust. and. Then have the fight that what you're doing with them is going to work. Okay. Very good. And then we also have a question about EMF's. Do you think they're not good for us. But how bad can be debated I have been seeing ads for medals, medallions excetera to wear to protect you from them. Are they real or fake? Touchy Right Off Guard and Yoda didn't know that was coming personally I think they're real but I think people are overly worried about it say five Jeez going to kill the world and it's like well, it may. But there's not a dad gummed thing you can do about it so you might as well just get as healthy. and. You'll be as healthy as anybody if we make it through if it's really that bad, I don't know of any way to measure it Kinda outside my scope of practice or outside of my interest but. Yeah I do. I do try to get away from the TV from the phone from the computer for an hour to go to bed and that does help. So I do think it's real I don't know about these shiels I don't I. Don't know if they work or not. But if you believe it does in your head, it would definitely be worth the money if you have that kind of belief and faith even if it's not real and you believe it's real, it is refer you back to biology a belief book. And then Marlena asked she says I have an issue with needing to blow my nose when I lay down for bed and get up in the morning other than that I don't hardly blow my nose throughout the day. What can I take to minimize this? the COLLOIDAL silver spray and all COLLOIDAL silver is not the same done the research I've never been a fan of it but now that we've found this new stuff that does not kill your probiotics, I'm a big fan of it. that work we've got some called GONNA g you. Know spray that works real real. Well, I'm going to say in a c net neck in a single system. And the reason I'd say that is because. One. Two three in the morning. Is Liver Meridian and a lot of times when you're trying to process clean that up, you'll have a lot of extra phlegm and the NFC thins mucus and helps to expel it. And Creates Glue Two Thousand and Low Bluetooth on is been noted to be Oh what kids that are autistic have low glued a thon, which means they can't detox and if you increase their glued thon with NFC or other things. Actually they get much much better on the spectrum. So Yeah Knack is good It's a really good think that generally it's probably some sort of allergy. But if you let it go while the reasons that some of the doctors have trouble fixing sinus problems is because it becomes a fungus I think up into the ninety something percent. So don't let it get it bad I'm you know this is kind of? Indirect. But just holy cow blown away by accuser Brahma. Lane with. Immune essentials. I'm blown away at how good it's helped me my broncos always been an issue and and a sophist and all that 'cause you hear me clear my throat all the time. But since I've been taking to Kyushu Bromley plus Siemian essentials, which has the green tea has some of the. wonderfully studied Names that are good for treatment of cancer I can't site that but there's other entities that do. It's absolutely incredible how much it's cleaned up. My Gi tract which cleans up your sinuses are almost always a condition what's going on your gi drive so it could be something as simple as you know, you're eating something that you're sensitive to not necessarily allergic be sensitive. So kind of thinking those terms. And then speaking of the guard. is there anything else that you know you might want to mention about gird what what could be done to help? Someone like that because I know a lot of people when they go to bed at night they'll they say they really have a hard time. With that at that time of night or they've been over, you know and they got the burning sensation and all. is there any other kind of treatment that can be done? Is that something that you can see on lab work if they if they run lab is at? is there anything on the lab that look for that? You could see that person might have that. Well usually if they're chlorides loa. Can't clerk asset. So we can supplement with either be time with. And or digestive enzymes but. and. Go See jiahd Dr because this solid acid reflux can be very, very detrimental. They thought a known all this twenty thirty years ago. I wouldn't have had an issue but having a great chiropractor helps as well. I know I which I've never seen anyone as good as my husband but he knows. He has several people that will come in here and get him to. To do some kind of move on on a high, it'll hernia tug and. I've had people try to come to me and say. Retired I'm not playing with the insurance companies they lie, cheat, steal their it to the devil, but there's so much better after you do that tug on them and you've done it to me and it's like, oh, my gosh, it is. It is great. You ask your car proctor maybe fiscal therapist or massage therapists if they know the huddle hernia tug and the Chinese trigger points that are connected to that because you have had several of those just this week and it's Wednesday. Even though I don't adjust I bet of adjusted five or ten that had that issue already. And if you're wondering how you can do lab work. Go to our website green wisdom health dot com fill out the health survey will recommend the lab panel. You can see some of those things that Dr Lewis is talking about that and the results like linen chloride, liver enzymes, all kind of correlating to whether or not. You've got bad digestive issue Also, we need more questions we're running out of questions and we love. Them you could go on shoot and straight with Dr Lewis on facebook people are on their asking things all the time we we are trying to make sure we answer all of them and like I said we I I'm coming through my list here. So you guys give us some new questions would love to hear what topics you would like to talk about. would love for you to share our show with someone and as always Dr. Lewis have you got any closing thoughts for the end of this show to make us feel inspired for the week well, you know I don't think life in general is worth anything unless you have the need behind the nadir of spiritual and psychologically mental. reason for doing it. One thing I'd like to say is a double minded man is unstable in all his ways and that's Outta James Chapter One. Well, when you make up your mind and listen to that discerning spirit, don't double check yourself There's so many people that follow too many disciplines they're doing too much of too many different things find something you like go to stick with it. You know you're born to live big to love to create and to express the miracle you are. You can always look at things and say everything's a miracle because it really is and you can create. And with that, we hope you guys have a blessed week and we'll be here next time on the green. Wisdom. Health show. Once again, our show has come to an end, but you're hoping your health is only beginning. If you or a loved one or in need of a different outcome and are waiting for a brighter future, take the first step and go to our website and fill out the health survey. Please don't keep a secret if you know someone that could benefit from this podcast, please share the show with your friends and family. 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Heartburn, Indigestion and Misery On Me

Green Wisdom Health Podcast by Dr. Stephen and Janet Lewis

31:47 min | 1 year ago

Heartburn, Indigestion and Misery On Me

"Welcome to this week's edition of the Green Wisdom Health show. I'm Janet Lewis and Lewis and we are going to educate you a little bit today. A about heartburn in digestion and misery on me and for those of you that are not familiar with who we are. We do. Low cost lab work all across the United States. So the we are not guessing about what's going on with your health issues and then we put you on pharmaceutical grade supplements which we're going to dress a little a little bit of those supplement issues at the end of this show and we keep you from buying the wrong things at the health food stores and getting a better grade quality of product that is based on your lab work and not just guessing so with that Dr Louis We've had many questions about heartburn in an indigestion and apparently that's a big deal. They apparently gave you a lot of medications. Sport and over the counter medication so We're going to help you. You decide where the indigestion or heartburn could be coming from. Is there something you can do about it. Naturally and What is going on with it? So would you please in lightness as only you can do The pressures again You know one thing you can do you can always is GonNa web. MD because that's like one of those choose your own adventure books where the result is always death like being pushed off the cliff or you could do something different. Sorry sorry I'm going down the rabbit hole. Are you know indigestion can be a lot of things and I do tell people you know. I'm contractor and I look at things from a structure function point of view. It's always a good idea to see a Gi doc because it can be something. Super Serious like pancreatic cancer stomach cancer. Safa Gio KANTER. It is good to get a medical opinion we do have the best medical profession on earth. I think one of the biggest issues we have is too many toxins and not enough new transplant. I know that's true because I read all the research and I'm blessed us with a good memory. Thank goodness for that. So the indigestion can be a symptom that's stomach or the intestines and it can be a a problem there. It can be just the disorder all by itself food allergies I think is a major contributing factor intolerances assists Such as lactose intolerant can cause indigestion although there are many many many intolerances and now I'm studying this whole Oh brand new thing. There's a big difference between food allergies and food sensitivities and holy cow the differences. The things I've learned recently. We are never who we were last week last year. Ten years ago were just constantly evolving in just scared to death that it's like oh I'm missing something and so I have to read read read study discern the truth from the smoke mirrors and bull that they do put out there quite a bit The the one of the major contributing factors the things that were most sensitive or allergic to is the high complex carbohydrates carbohydrates grains and legumes. There's also other studies that say well you kind of need to soak that and nature put in. Its own self a protective mechanism by. Oh well you gotTa Soak Grain for longtime before it begins to sprout. And that's why if you soak you're baynes before you cook them. It creates a lot lot less flatulence for those of you. That don't know what flashing lights is. That's what cheer husband does and tries to hold you under the sheet and he thinks it's funny although I think it's not really appropriate grains because they're genetically modified. I'm telling you folks that's a real problem and anytime you can get organic or non genetically-modified you need to do it. I don't care what it costs because I was talking to a guy the other day very very incredibly intelligent man and there was quite a few people that did tasked with this new lab that can figure out the real differences between food allergies and intolerances way beyond a lot of these lube companies. That say they're doing it. Which I think a lot of smoke and mirrors but hey said well there was three people that did not have a gluten issue? He was one of them in there was to others well. He was raised in Mexico. The other guy was raised in Peru and then the third guy was raised in Cuba. Because they don't Oh had the genetically modified crops and I don't care what my some of my facebook friends say they some a GMO's refining spray. My fence line with glyphosate. The site is like well. You are strange child now. You're stranger adult just because it and kill you right on the spot doesn't mean it's not bad for you I'm telling you. GMO's Mo's are killing us. That's why we have more problems. We have more. I hate to say autism. But that's one of the factors there. We we have more autoimmune diseases and it's getting more common but it's getting younger and younger because these people these kids been born from mothers that already already had their genetics messed up the jam us or their immune system also so then it creates a bad add bacteria because it kills the good bacteria. And that's why I tell people it's really hard to get probiotics to where they really and truly colonize in the gut. So the bacteria changes. Then you get CBO. Small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. The Gut then produces toxins now. These toxins will damage the the mucosal lining. And that's what you would call leaky Gut So Recent tests makes Dr Louis Thank Holy Crap. The rules apply to May two. So I've got to give up gluten on you. What my limits were? Well guess what you can't fix yourself so folks don't think you can get information and fix yourself goes doctor Lewis. Brilliant as I am. I'm not smart not fix my sale. So God for Janet. It's interesting you talk about these tests. which you and I both ran of the the one thing that was on this It's called a wheat Zimmer. We're test it actually has the ability because you know we're all probably going to fail it then and we know we're full of gluten. Oh I don't say we're full of some uh-huh because of the bad you know crops like you said but it also has a part of a test it's called a fusion Snap where it shows you. If you're headed towards boards ILIAC disease from having too much gluten and incredibly it can be you know a slight amount of moderate amount or hi mountaineers. Your you have see disease. which is a horrible thing to have and Go Dot comes into diagnosis stuff. That good news is about this test is it can show you headed that way and say hey. If you don't stop eating gluten you will have sealy axe disease and if view stop it you can actually start reversing it so There we haven't been any other test out there like it. That actually can tell you that that you're headed that way and you stopping the gluten could actually reverse it and cause you to not become have seal EAC. So that's Ah that's pretty exciting and I know y'all say well. When is this coming on the on the actual website so we can order it We're still working out a couple of the bugs eggs on it And then we've got to build those on the back to the website. We're trying to figure out what you guys would be interested in far as packages and we're trying to keep the cost low so We will have those they are incredible and Like I said stay tuned because they have been Komo more than worth the money that we spend on it to find out information and they do a lot for a very very relatively Small amount. Yes folks I've had these tests with other labs and again. I'm not impressed. I know some people say I need this. I said yeah no but I WANNA make sure it's real one of these days. Get podcast and talk about hair analysis and how crazy they are different with the same hair sample and for the third time So I I don't have any faith in them so oh you hear analysis companies if you're listening hey proved me wrong So you know one of the things that I tell people are sometimes people come in and tell me they said we'll I'll drink apple CIDER. Vinegar and the heartburn goes away whale. Yes it's a little bit asset if you can drink apple cider vinegar and make you feel better. For God's sake cuny digestive enzymes and probably destroyed hydrochloric acid with beaten and in hydrochloric. ACID is trauma thel and well when you say trauma trimethyl that that means. It's a Meth Lahser. That means a cleanser. So don't be afraid to take digestive enzymes and or clerk acid with pets and and So yeah up. Solder vendors beggars a good thing but I think it's super super soon simplistic What about the drugs they give have you for these things you know when you say? I have Heartburn are those really curing the issue or what exactly is helping helping with what's happening with the drug part of it you know what's really amazing folks. Is that Janet now work so well together because we have two completely different set connotes and she's just almost psychic in the things that she asked. Because I'm there in my completely different sudden nose so she psych acre. Sometimes psychotic didn't even read it now and I was just asking a question. Okay so she was psychic or psychotic again. I'm a chiropractor. A program not against drugs. I'm I'm against the need for having to to use drugs They put my mother own some drugs. Once upon a time. I'm my sister columnist. Says you know my mother's sitting there looking at a mirror talking to somebody else. She's urinating freely. She's constipated cannot poop and she's making can coffee with no coffee no water and she's trying to turn the stove on can't get turned on. Thank God there was a safety device because it was gas and I said Oh good Lord I'm booked up Norman. Cancel the whole day. And I went to see my mother and they'd put around some antiacid drugs to micro feel better and I'm not against that but it lowered or b twelve so much much she got dementia and then they put her own because she got that dimension and had some Brian Issues from that and they didn't even start small they hitter with a huge dose and then they put her on a well-known anti depressive drug and. I went to see my mother and not try to figure out what was going on. I got on her antidepressant drug and gave it to another sister. I said here you take this crap. My mother's not GonNa take this and I gave her md.. The research on B twelve offset place. Start giving my Mama B twelve shots and she wouldn't do it even with the research I don't know why so I gave my mother massive massive massive doses of sub lingual google and Oral B. Twelve. You have to do you have to go way beyond the RDA because there's always or almost always an absorption problem and within about three weeks. My mother knew who she was looking at in the mirror she could make coffee. I mean her mind came back within about three weeks all because we gave her B twelve course course it had the beasts six and the B. One dotted on. It's very very important. And you think we don't have nutrient deficiencies. You're crazy because as you know we've known in America that our souls were depleted since the early nineteen hundreds depleted of the minerals which helps make the vitamins so back to the drug point and against an I told my mother said well. If it gives you that much relief go ahead and take it but you have to take digestive enzymes that sound like a broken record One of the real problems I see is some of the ant. Acids are aluminum-based would Jesus we know Lumina. M- can't contribute attribute Alzheimer's and all kinds of other things Sometimes they have calcium carbonate. Well that's like licking on a limestone rock doc and then if you have calcium carbonate and drop the acid level in your stomach the stomach says almo God is too low and it has an acid rebound and you end ended up with a worse than it was before and guess what aluminum and calcium carbonate can do calls constipation interesting when they give you those those drugs. Don't they tell you that you have too much stomach acid and that's why you need to take it. Yeah most of the time you know unless they really really tested is really too. Hello and that's why the Judicious use of betine hydrochloric. Acid is very important we can tell within six pills and three meals whether you really need it or not but again if you can take apple cider vinegar and make you feel better in that regard. You need the beaten Or you can just do digestive essentials which is easier smarter. Yeah most everybody needs it and on lab when you're looking at lab because if you don't know what you need On the metabolic panel. We're looking at your Globulin. Your globulin optimally should be about a two point seven or two point eight and many times we see people with it at a three replant. Oh three point one but you. You're going well. That isn't very far off will on lab it's hugely off. Sometimes a tenth of a point is a big deal. Sometimes it's depending on what you're measuring and if you got it that bad that you've got a lot of burping belching gas You in misery. Surreal me and your husband's flap in the sheets trying to gross you out at night. Yeah probably not going to the bathroom well. So on. And and you're having all this burping belching stuff so That's a good indicator that you may need the digestive enzymes and then on the chloride end if it's really alot that tells you you actually don't have an hydrochloric acid and the gut. And that's we're Dr Lewis was talking about doing detain. You know there was an interesting study. The red one time as emel stir. The Pot is from Johns Hopkins. And there's some really incredible research comes out of there. I have quite a few archived here. It said that you can have a decreased sexual ability and or breast enlargement talking about me. Me and not women digestion heartburn. I I don't know where he comes. Up With Steph. It always goes back to this okay. Go ahead Jennifer overruled counselor. I get to speak my mind If you're a lawyer out there sorry issues your arms. It's a decrease sexual bill. militaire breast enlargement can result from prolonged. Excessive use of the heartburn medication Tagamet. So maybe your man. BOOBS aren't because you're drinking the light career which is a bad thing. I can't drink beer anymore because of the gluten in it. I hadn't tried any gluten free beers that I think are worth going back for the second one which anyway we'll we'll we'll pick some of your common causes heartburn or laying down after eating that it bothers you Like I said having low stomach acid. You're overweight eight which region getting personal out of America is even though you're looking around and thinking. Hey everybody looks like me. You are probably still overweight. Go to Chana. You'll feel fat. At one hundred seventy seven pounds so I was the fat boy on the block. Yeah now when you're this then it's like Oh you must have cancer because you're so thin but but honestly supposed to why that overuse of ibuprofen which a lot of people tell me. They take that before they go to bed every night so they can sleep and it's really funny since Mary Janet. I rarely rarely rarely rarely. Ever tycoon bupropion but before Janet I used to take those two hundred turned fifty count Bottles like crazy and yes. It booed my stomach in a big way. Sometimes having a heidel hernia the Will actually cause heartburn. Which I've seen Dr Lewis Actually Help with a tower practic others soft tissue manipulation for that so you you know so. You're chiropractor for that when it works. Wonders sometimes it's level of H.. Pylori problem is if you'd lower your Hydrochloric acid or acid level in your stomach. Then it can't allow the H Pylori and other that bugs Grow and then they can actually get into the bloodstream. Is Start burrowing little holes into the Arterial walls so. There's many many reasons y you need to you know. Think about this. And and it can be as heartburn can be just magnum deficiency which almost everybody has the even our government is brilliant as they are says the average American only gets forty percent of your daily requirement of Magnesium Zim and you talk about H.. Pylori a lot of people don't even know if they have H. Pylori but one way you can tell if it might be h pylori is if you're in in the middle of that hurting like that and you drink a little bit of ti any kind of tea and it calms it down or if you drink water and it makes it worse so if it comes down or the water makes it worse. It's generally H.. Pylori and we do have products products for that like gastro meant and you know in. May We are to discuss some of the products that we have beside just digestive essentials that actually help calm. Down some of the heartburn and some you've probably not heard of we we've got a new one that it doesn't taste great but it works like crazy. It's called mastic. Gum D. G. L. Dirt will it cinnamon flavored dirt weather weather lying about this lemon flavor. I mean you can. It starts out good but the ending doesn't taste great but it really does work. They're little wafers and you can Chew them up up and in the indigestion heartburn is gone quickly. So if you don't want to take medication that's a great combination Dr Lewis you might WanNa talk a little bit about the glucose. I'm sorry that Gee I support that we have that is a powder that's a powder I like powders and it you know it has the things in it hall all kinds of different things that really really helps Some of his deal. Big Ones Glue. L. Glued mean glued. Means one of them you know acids and I wanNA talk just a little a bit. Go down this rabbit hole. But it's still really and truly is Related a Tom H.. Pylori in different things they can burrow. Get into your arterial system. I'm an calls. You know little holes there and the body in its defense mechanism plaques with cholesterol Cholesterol's not the booger bear. It's meant to be and I just loaned out my book the cholesterol hoax to another doctor. In Oh dear Jesus please bring it back but I did it because his doctor got hit. His is clustered down to one twenty six and I told his wife used w risk of stroke. I think everybody and I put instructions in this book for this other doctor to go get his coronary calcium score because you can have the plaque and it may be related to bad digestion. I gotTa Coronary Calcium Score. And you know I've I've had a history of chest pain which has led to the heart and my report said your total calcium scores. Six will four hundred two thousand. You're about to have a heart attack within two or three years. According to the research basically they said with a calcium score of six. I've got as much calcium in my heart. The coronary arteries to be a toddler. Don't worry about it and the reason I talk about that is because there's an amino acid that's called Acetyl L. Carnitine and that's an incredible one. We actually stock that because it's so good some of the things that does it's good for cognition nation mood and Alzheimer's disease is good for anti retroviral. neuropathy peripheral neuropathy. It's good for attention deficit Jason hyperactivity disorder and fragile x syndrome. It's good for straight depression It's it's good for cardiovascular function. It's good for chemotherapy. Induced neuropathy Galore. We get all those people they said. Well I have this neuropathy said if you had chemo oh well. The first hand is growing hair back out and I said Yeah I put you on Ceelo Corentin a few other things and all of a sudden takes a little time but they get well It's it's been studied for HIV infection to help prevent diabetic cataracts Men's health it can reverse infertility T- I've given that about two other things to men at had Sperm count that was deformed and weren't swimmers at all and in who all of sudden your wife got pregnant right next three to six months is good for perennials. Disease is good for people that have alcohol in psoriasis Of the of the liver alcoholism awesome. And it just goes on and on and on and I'm telling you people adjust take the ACETYL L. Carnitine and didn't link it to anything else. They they notice a lot of other things. Get better so yeah bring me back out of that rabbit hole and get started down wherever you want me to go. Well I WANNA make sure we address The question that we had here last week that we did not get to from Penny which she would like to know about nitric Gawk side? Is it important to her health. She's got several parts of this question. Where where do we find nitric oxide in the body and what what is the difference between nitrates and nitrites? We get a lot of good post from penny so please keep it up Notch Gawk side. Let's start there. Not Oxide is very very important. A lot of men lack l arginine another acid. I think I'm going to have to get deeper into the amino acid visit. They lack that because it gives them a boost of energy. It helps testosterone. It helps the cardiovascular system it helps circulation and it helps with erections and all these guys come in and say. What do you have any of this? I see yes but Senator Elaine works better. If you knew the difference between Arginine may gives you that big burst but it's quick a few take sicher lane has has a half life in the body and it lasts so much longer read between the lines there man and that's why we have sicher lane in our blood pressure sure. Formula Works so much better. And I'm not against Argentine. It does work but they both create nitric oxide and what that does it keeps keeps. The surface of the blood vessels really kinda smooth. So the platelets don't bind and decreases the chance of Klotz read into that. That's what that means There are some research studies. Said you can get too much not nitric oxide in your body so be careful there That's why you go for professional professional advice hopefully to Janet and me It helps remove the oxidants like you've heard antioxidants like see in e and vitamin C. N. E. actually help stabilize the nitric oxide. So that's from L Arginine but more importantly in longer-lasting is from L.. Sicher Charlaine now to the the question about nitrites and not try. It's one of them. Has I think three molecules of oxygen pigeon and the other one has to again. I've told you several times. I hated chemistry. I did have to pass it though. they put the nitrates in the meat. Eight to cure the mate because it gives it the pink or reddish color. which makes it more attractive if you don't put it there? It the May eight turns Brown even though that may not be a bad thing. It's better looking if it's pink At least in our subconscious mind. There's some people that said ah the nitrates and nitrites increase your risk of cancer. But I personally think that's questionable because if you have the other things that help with this the the changes where it gives off these oxygen molecules lack the see the e the anti oxidants like our Courson Brahma line fine. I'm not sure that would increase your risk of cancer but Alexei questionable you can read a Web. MD and come to horrible conclusion or you can get on Internet. Get somebody's crazy opinion. Or you can dig down into the Rio Rio Race Art Nitrite come naturally. There's actually more men veggies veggies and the GI systems Goes into the. Gi System are from the GI system from your vegetables and goes into the bloodstream. Name which is kind of anti microbial main kill the bad burger bears like prior. She's fungus bacteria so I don't think it's a bad bad thing by Sei avoid them and again. I'm not sure that's really correct. So you be the judge and if your people put on allergic to well maybe you need the digestive enzymes in the probiotics and a few other nutrients and when your body's work incorrectly people say I don't know but my allergies or sensitivities when away and speaking of probiotics do they have anything to do. With the making indigestion or heartburn or any of that stuff be less many many times because it can overpower bad things like eastbound aspire some H. Pylori My favorite and we've had about twenty different products. Were trying to get them down to about six different choices and we've got another one that's We call a pro complete late and You know it's got all the good stuff He's got the lactobacillus different strains especially the sal various which starts in Salah good for the mouth. It's got the bifida bacterium it's got the streptococcus therm office. which is the good strip? Not Bad one. It's got enough the lactobacillus and hand the different BIFIDA bacterium to be good for the gut. You know From small intestine to the colon. But that one's wonderful because we have for many he. Many years carried The innate there twenty fourteen or fifteen fourteen all the people out there listening that are taking that product now no no that that has been a staple of ours for many many years. I actually am changing that product to the profile complete based I on us doing it because you know we don't put anything in here unless we've done it and between the three of us in here We usually have a problem that warrants the use of one of those products to try and we do experiment with other people to yes and that profile complete elite The lady that told me about it said you know it'll make you go the bathroom or if you don't have Problems needing that it won't make you go to the bathroom I thought about. How could one probiotic do that? And it's actually in clinical research trials. It is such a big deal but it's a big deal right. It is a big deal at the ride that is in research trials and she was absolutely right that is a phenomenal probiotic. And it you know people are GonNa say. Oh but it's gotta stay refrigerated. Honestly if you're going to take it with an eighteen months it does not have to stay refrigerated. Some of these are not at fragile. If you forget get it in your fridge put it by your bed Tyke one or two before you go to bed because that's when you've got the lease competition you don't not take in some of the toxins like Genetically Modified Foods Foods and chloride in Florida in your water. So I take most of mine at night in their sixty in the bottle so it hope that you would take it before eighteen months but That is our goto favorite because It hit his. It's amazing how well you feel taking it and I. It did well with the innate. Many of you have out there have and and that is a wonderful product as well. This one is just taking it to a whole new level and I cannot believe give it so and financially it's still really good investment. It's actually a better investment than It's saving you some money so we're doing that as well that I wanted the dimension. That's why that one's there so Dr Louis We're coming to the end of this show. Unfortunately and you know this really goes by fast asked. Is there anything that you would like to add in to help. People realize that they can have a life worth living and feel good yeah. I'm always full of Stevenson resume and people say you should write that down. I said well you're impressed. botchy write it down. I think life's too short to be little. You know you need to go big or go home One thing I'd like to say is when you really decide to get well. You will because decisiveness. Is Meg NEDIC. So so you always be good to other people always remember outside the will of God. There's nothing you won't inside the will of God. There's nothing I fear. So if you've the're your health come on in we'll help you. nutritionally help you spiritually to I'll put on my cheerleading outfit. And help you through it. Laugh pissed too short to be little so folks that can be much much much better you can have the pain of change and change for the better or the pain of staying the same claim. So let's get well. Let's Mike at a great life and for those of you that can't come on and because you're not in East Texas you can

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James Aitken  Systemic Risk in a Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.126)

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James Aitken Systemic Risk in a Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.126)

"Hello I'm Ted Psyches and this is capital allocators. This show is an open ration- of the people and process behind capital allocation through conversations with leaders. In the money game we learn how these holders of the keys to the kingdom allocate their time and their capital. You can keep up to date by. Visiting Capitol Allocators podcasts. Dot Com. Hi Everyone in the midst of this unprecedented time. I thought it'd be helpful to hear from James Aitken. The extraordinary macro strategist who specializes in understanding the functioning of the financial system. I reached out to James. Today with one key question in mind. Are we facing a systemic risk? Outside of what we see happening in the economy and the markets that conversation follows. Please stay safe and healthy. Today's show is sponsored by northern. Trust Front Office. Solutions sophisticated multi asset class investors high tech and high touch data management solutions for the front and Middle Office Northern Trust Front office solutions combines high powered functionality with exceptional client service to help asset allocators efficiently evaluate their portfolios accelerate their insights and mitigate their operational risk visit northern trust dot com slash solutions to learn more. Today's show is sponsored by Adam. Finance and investment research platform built by a former hedge fund alligator who sought to upgrade expensive institutional tools Adams functionality include instant financial modeling powerful news and document search discussion groups and brokerage integration all of which are available in a cloud based system on your computer and any mobile device. Try Adam Finance for free today at Adam DOPP finance that. At dot finance or download the atom finance APP on the android platforms. James thanks for doing this on short notice. These are clearly unprecedented times and I thought it would be terrific to just get your view in lane the landscape of where we've come and where we are and where might be going. Well thanks very much. Good Morning I gave having. May as well at at show at night us and thank you to all your listeners. I think it's important when we try to sketch out where we are. And where we're going to reflect on the initial conditions before this market smash up. I think it's very important. And typically in these kind of circumstances all the commentary focuses on the moment as opposed to conditions in markets that created the vulnerabilities to begin with and the fact side. If it had not been for certain let's call the risk parity celebrities coat wrong-footed had it not been a vast number of relative. You guys getting stopped out on their forty to fifty times relative value fixed income books. It would've been someone else and I think we need to reflect on the fact that the real source of the current instability in markets may be that the past several years we have engineered. I monumental bobble in risk assets that was inevitably going to meet with a pin and I have the past months Ted we've encountered to pins. One is a serious health issue with enormous economic consequences which was slowly starting to address and the other is a j a political power struggle between the Saudis and Russia. Either oil and just to finish on this point. One of the historical roles of interest rates is to control the amount of leverage in the system and the cool I financial history might conclude that by driving interest rates to ridiculously levels while simultaneously driving financial intermediation out of prudentially. Regulated banks. We all policymakers perhaps effectively uncapped leverage in the system and motivated unconstrained growth of leverage in the nonbank sick data which unfortunately conspired to set the stage. The PINEVILLE reckoning that. We're working through at the moment so to just decide the full. We just stopped to think about where we are and where we're going. We donate reflects the fog seconds about the initial conditions which are important. So James is that to say that those initial conditions might mean that this was inevitable. Maybe not this but something. We couldn't necessarily foresee in some say long term normalization. Yes and look predicting that. Actual event is futile. Suffice to say a lot of things. Stretched Wilson knew the Prom. Reveal a balance sheets and lodge bank balance sheets around the weld on necessarily more constrained as a result of what happened in two thousand night but also that does rather limit their ability to intimate markets even markets as volatile as the ones. We're saying tonight and just on that again. We never knew what the trigger would be what pin would be that the bubble. You can't predict that but it is safe to say stone. Any historical measure the credit spreads with very low realized and implied volatility across the range of asset classes which low cross asset volatility itself was low and the leverage applied by a lot of people to keep up with the guy. What we might call fear of missing out was very high as you look at. What's happened over the last couple of weeks? In the markets it seems that the speed of this drawdown cross equities in credit is violent to say nothing else. Do you have any views as to why that might be the case? Compared to other crisis moments in the markets I could take a stab at it. It's dangerous to adhere labels and descriptions to specific events. It'll come out in time. The enormous leverage and frankly the enormous losses that a bank sustained during this period and the cool live financial history will judge them but I think the speed of the move. Let's think about what often causes abrupt moves in any financial instrument. And it's not just an unpredictable regime shift. It's that people might be over reliant on chill to knock it financing to underpin that positions. That's often a national problem. Too much. Not Rape Piloted in basically refinancing their positions every twenty four hours which can be dangerous. You've also had China's and correlations as a result of two enormous brewing supply side shocks with Cova nineteen and the dispute between the Saudis and the Russians. And often when you get those executives shocks correlations flip and there was an awful lot of strategies out the Ted predicated on the fact that I- correlations across risk instruments most of all between stocks and bonds was stable and predictable and stable and predictable. You can model leverage on that and BEC- somewhat comfortable in your returns and second thing is that volatility itself was predictable and volatilities predictable. I can scale up my exposure to also to risk assets around the world and I have to say that people talk about volatility targeting. It's a phrase that gets chucked out there lots there any number of instruments and indices. That could help. An asset Aleka target volatility but really ted. The past several years have been all about volatility scaling olas gigantic multi strategy businesses absolute return strategies toll about volatility scaling when implied volatility comes down. I have to increase my exposure to keep up with the plight. All implied volatility guys up on clever than else. I can hedge before everyone else. I'm going to be a case. I saved her just my books and really again. Volatility scaling all the assumption of volatility skyline. I think had a large hand in the disruption with saying and just a finish this point. There was a mob Article written in the ultimate nineteen ninety. Seven Bon extraordinaire. Chicago tried to cold Richard. Dennis and Richard wrote of the slow of full theory and his idea was in it. So brilliant that it's perfectly okay to an all of the same instruments as everyone else signed cue tips the same issues. It's perfectly okay to apply the amount of leverage. But don't worry I'll be quicker than everyone else to get out and just had another real time reminder of that fallacy. There's two things I'd like to touch on with you while we have the time one of them that I think as you a broad brush. There's a lot of topics we can talk about. But the one that has to be most on people's minds as this notion of of the system and the potential for the system to be broken left tail risk way in the same way that happened after the Lehman Bankruptcy in. Oh eight and tied to that. What's happened relative to that with the policy response is something that I think you understand the plumbing as well as anybody I know and so maybe start there with the policy response and we can get into sort of what does that mean for a real existential risk to the market as opposed to something. Maybe we can understand in terms of a drawdown and the health issues and maybe that comes back in and unknowable period of time right and to paraphrase. If I might. Ted Think about the near-term Complexity. The Problems. Why central banks are trying to respond? And then quite frankly. So what? And how might we think about it? And what should we do about two? Let's go through that process. Look up spend an awful lot of time with my clients over the past month. That's surprise but also an awful lot of time. With K policymakers around the world and all the same not the ending market participant has been doing that trying to help people understand. What's going wrong? And what's going right? And one thing is clear about the central bank response and if one looks carefully every case central banker around the world is saying the same thing the very strong actions with potential for mole that central bankers tycoon thus far a designed to provide a bridge to the necessary medical in fiscal response to address the coded nine Tain Disruption. So this is not two thousand night about saving the financial system for itself about foreign asset prices on anything like that to be cle- if the combined offensive central bank activity is to buy financial markets. Time great but none of this is about flooring risk assets po sites about a bridge to the necessary fiscal response and on that we can say how countries around the world is slowly getting lined up with fiscal policy. We can talk about that lighter but think about incentives for central bankers and government solo around the world. Ted We have a double supply-side shock. Covered nineteen is what the IMF would coal amish? Has this liable cold. Sudden stops which they used to apply to emerging markets when capital inflow to an emerging market stop stead currency foles current-account deficit problems all sorts of things. The wealth actually got now is. I wasn't synchronous. Global sudden stop and calibrating. The head is very difficult. That's why only central banks are now long providing full which is unprecedented because now that he knows so we have the Nineteen Supply Sean. Shock combined with AIDS the energy supply-side shock as N. B. S. and Putin Duke. It out and that's the first point now. The second point is as the world is forced to lock itself down over voluntarily self isolates way of building the risk of a simultaneous demand shock. Because as we all stay at home other than endless binge-watching of niche flicks Amazon prime. With not really GONNA BE GETTING OUT AND ABOU- small businesses on Safa and the engine room of global demand has always been the US consumer so the risk is if we die tight very strong steps we will have not only a double supply shock but a demand shock and the worst thing of all you can throw on. Top of that is a financial crosses so to be clear. The fiscal policy is an to address. Not just the supply side shock but also the health shock of Nineteen and the energy dispute between the Saudis and Russia demand. Shock is slowly addressed for example in Hong Kong handing out citizens checks. That might be what everyone Mr. Macron in France last night set a new Bob. Basically nobody will default. Nobody will go bankrupt now. Bet might be the ultimate whatever tixx and that will slowly serve to underwrite the risk of the demand shock and on the narrow point of central banks the primary objective. Right now ted is to ensure that their financial systems are functioning that the banks a liquid that the banks around the world combined from their local central banks against a range of collateral in the case of the extraordinary generous right of minus seventy five points eligible banks combined up to two trillion euros entitled from the AC seventy five vices. Pondimin you an offshoot start a bank. Might that's pretty generous. In the case of the Fed's thinking about your listeners. I can only imagine how surprised Iowa when in the context of the US economy. That's doing fairly well. The Fed cuts fifty out of the blue. Well it was on precedent. Well hasn't been seen since I y but I could say what was happening. That could save from the business context. I knew I need to provide liquidity. And now we have a fed committed to frankly. I've been into asset purchases and Ted. I'll just pose for second day whether it be the federal of to a lesser degree. The certainly the Bank of Japan the Reserve Bank of Australia the Reserve Bank Museum of the Bank of Canada Primary concern is ensuring that the financial system is Banks can find themselves. The people can transact even of the process of not ideal and most of all the K challenge of the Fed today is to restore a liquid try to hedge perhaps investable treasury curve. Because there were times over the past week with was no treasury curve and the Treasury futures market is not functioning and you cannot have to have a somewhat stable financial system if you have no operational risk free curve and that Ted is the number one priority of the Fed which is why have leapt into purchasing assets in an asset to restore functioning. Where would we see the lack of functioning of the treasury curve as you're paying attention to that this is where I'm afraid? We need to get a little bit technical for the past five years. There has been a positive carry tried available to relative value fixed income traders around the world and it has been very profitable and for reasons. We won't get into Treasury futures trading more expensive than equivalent duration treasury bonds. So for example if I'm a relative value Fixed Income Fund I could buy a ten year Treasury Leverett Virus Pie which very tight for these guys last September and I can sell the equivalent amount of ten year treasury futures against it unless I for example and positive five to seven basis points. Now that's normally a fairly stable predictable relationship and it's fixed income arbitrage one. There's nothing new about people been doing it for decades. So I say to myself Ted. I am going to live rob along. Treasury bump position. I'm going to sell a tremendous amount of futures against it an all in all I might run that position for four five years forty to fifty times and I know that sounds extreme. But that's what people do and it went very well for five years until it didn't so that's the first indigestion problem to the treasury bond market and then surprisingly for a lot of people what promulgated the colossal unwind vollers ave positions was the fed cutting those fifty basis points the other week out of the blue because what underpins the financing of these gigantic relative value trades long treasury bonds short treasury futures contract against it is guess what I stable and predictable relationship between re pyrites and this is an index folks. Now I don't want to get too technical but consider this dispute mess juicy raped by rights around challenged. The Fed cuts fifty basis points the night index swaps a measure of. Us showtime rights are GonNa Collapse. Which is what happened. So the Harney is that the Fed cutting treated Iran on financing of a lot of these ave guys which then force them all today lever which caused all sorts of discombobulation in the relationship between treasuries and treasury futures is people tried to unwind all sorts of things. So that's the first indigestion problem second. One was a bunch of risk parity evangelists who have had the most phenomenal three decades. Let's not forget that risk parody has been a genius strategy for decades. What was unusual about the past? Five years is that not only did. The equity complained of these risks parody strategies go up but so did Ted the Levin Sixteen come quite quite hedge so it was a money machine on his legs and then unsurprisingly when you apply to leverage when you telling everyone caches trash and the correlation between stocks bonds charges for any reason in other woods bone. Stop going up and stocks. Going DOWN YOU HAVE TO DIG Roche. Your Book and those two on once the relative value smash up and the RISK PARODY. Smashed shop closed all sorts of indigestion across primary dealer. Balance Sheets. They were restrained from providing as much into mediation capacity on top of that. Let's not forget you had always trading time spread across remote sites and spare bedrooms in the tri-state area. It's very difficult. I should side to execute ten million. Davey I WANNA. The treasury futures bicy- strides from six different bedrooms in Connecticut so all of that conspired to disliked type of treasury codes and promulgated the feds response to buy at least seven hundred billion so really a whole range of indigestion problems and then as you work your way through from treasuries to other types of credit and eventually equities there's always been this concern with the explosion of ETF particulars things like high yield. Dt Fs that you had this mismatch and liquidity. Have we seen anything in the last few weeks that would indicate there are trouble in the area of credit at the risk of being controversial to anyone who understood cut up markets the? Id that ATS were ever. I self liquefying instrument that is decided that ATS CREATE. Liquidity in the underlying reference securities was just boss on propaganda absolute garbage and to see dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of credit and fixed income not to mention commodities and other ATF's trade at multiple standard deviations discounts from their net. I think has put tied to all that a propaganda Ted when we think about next steps in the dislocation or what to watch out full but this might sound strange but equity markets again assault themselves out as I think you and I and an listeners. Now there are some already some extraordinary values out there on specific issues. Let's site equity lamp extinguishing values already inequities credit is what? I'm really worried about and I'll tell you why people have said. Oh Gosh high yield up until the past forty eight hours is well behaved. Investment Guide is widening out all my gosh. Leveraged Loans well-behaved. We'll actually there's a story there and it's a classic end of sock phenomenon. People selling what I can not what I have to say. The reason that investment grade credit has broadly widening out is because some of its trading. The reason that leverage lines have been broadly. Well behind is because people are selling all the liquid leverage lines that have an all the less liquid stuff is unsellable and that I'm afraid is the sign predicament. For high yield markets. To some extent people felt that these credit unbounded Let's just say h y g because everyone knows people thought that would be a getaway half the credit bubble that is to say I combat boots so put spreads on H. Y. J. Short J. That will offset any dislocation credit and helped me stay with the guy wrong and what we saw at the true test always credit liquidity vehicles. They filed so. What are we gonNA now feel? The Pine and credit has barely begun. People selling what they can sell. And even that is drawing up today misspeaking on Tuesday morning Neil time today. We're GONNA start to say the first sizeable bi weeks and to be clear. Bids wanted in. Competition is what that jogging. Maine's and we're just starting to say the first attempts to sell AAA tranches of sale is in size. And it's coming out of these warehouses because paypal today risk. So they have all these warehouses and I'm sure your listeners. A At least vaguely familiar with always conduits from two thousand seven and two thousand and night which caused a lot of indigestion. So Ted on very much on God in credit here I'll be fascinated to see if and where these bigwigs clear because when one parcel of credit cleese it reprises. Everything was always going to be the case at the end of this extraordinary cycle price. Discovery is troubling if one widely held bound tribes. Everyone has to ring re market. And that's where you get into a dangerous cycle so to me. It's thinking about credit now to be clear less that sound just a tad alarmist. There's an awful lot of credit to be sold so you'll long-term fully-funded listeners. This could be an interesting moment because you might be able to nine meal price even up the top of the capital structure if you are the Mo what you're doing internally all has partnered with the riots external manages so it's not like I'm on. Gosh the sky's falling. It's decide to listeners. Look the liquidation event if you will or the redemption event or the style trimming event in credit has barely begun. If we think the treasury curve suffered from the did indigestion over the past week imagine what the suggestion is GonNa be like in credit markets. So we need to be on God and if we dare imagine the next several years we're GONNA have interest rates at very low levels. We probably GONNA have some element view of control in the United States. I don't know yet. Some element of asset purchases are going to be semi permanent from the Fed which probably serves cape intimate treasuries low which means the discount rate that liability constrained allocators. Looking at is gotta be astonishingly low. Which men's no matter how difficult the count period is? I have to start sketching out a strategy for the sort of credit. I want to buy and hold with a one to two to three of you and I know it's easier said than done. I know everyone trots out Mr Buffets aphorisms and everyone says all. We'll be fond and stuff like this. That is you and I both known as listeners know. The hottest hottest hottest thing to do is to allocate at a moment like this said to just summarize I might cite credit soon. Mommy in some sectors is upon us but for the fully-funded investor with a plan. I should be rubbing their hands and licking their chops now alongside of that buying opportunity there. Is this question that if you go back to two thousand eight and things were going down you then had real problems in the system that took things down a whole `nother or there are signposts. You're looking at today to make sure that the integrity of the system itself will be fine in terms of liquidity and any other metrics. That are important to say that. If you're buying something on value that that's all you have to worry about if thinking about value as a whole range of things that come to mind because obviously you're asking both in terms of the integrity of the system itself or what I call plumbing and also think about Q. Sips in issues. I mean look in a dividend sustainability autumn number. One default risk item number. Two although Mr. Macron has now set the by the how every Western national was fond. Nobody's going to default and just on that narrow topic and to be clear. I need to reflect more on this. I ducked out for a second that Mr Trump is gonna bail out. Usa lawns gunned down for a second. He might have to think about hotel and tourism as well but in the case of airlines and the case of American for example that spent fifteen billion dollars. Box if I'M GONNA give American a buyout widow. I bailed him out in the capital structure. Is it alone guarantee? Is it equity? Where is it? And how should I invest in Americans capital structure? Think about it. That's the Kate question which we died now yet. So some caution is required. Then the other thing is which week we haven't talked about since January. It took an enormous market smash up to completely derail all the discussion today. But he has chased not going away. And on the one hand we've got the supply shock this oil war underway. Which is going to accelerate the high yield energy bankruptcy sokoll it has to so one needs to be extremely picky if one is thinking about picking over the long term venue rumble that might line. The debris of oil and gas in the United States wants thinking about winners and so forth doing a pencil in ten dollar oil as at margin of safety peps. Do so I'm thinking about okay. Do we need to be extra cautious here? But in the case of credit I think the supplies GONNA be so large. But they'll be a number of listeners that will be able to name their price even at the top of the capital structure. And that's very interesting thing to consider but in the terms of the very very narrow plumbing is Ryan of instruments. I'm looking at a lot of technical. They're all related to the cost of intermediation the cost of bank balance sheets. Jp Morgan CDs. Things that people talked about few such as log will report verses. Allies secured this as unsecured founding Ted I think we need to get too much into them. Because they're all related to one fundamental. What is the price of dollar intimate connection to the world? That's the critical thing. Look I have to say to those listeners? Who had downloading plumbing advice at the moment from social media plays became full. There's an awful lot of hot ventilation out there about various parts of the dollar plumbing in the financial system. I'm afraid to say it's pretty clear to me. That people haven't actually learned that matching twelve years. There's a lot of misinformation please. No this central banks around the world have barely started their response in of cheapening. The cost of dollar intermediation. Okay so the feds Don an awful lot that I have the capacity to do a lot more to die for example but Bank of Japan did the first dollar liquidity operation in Gosh. Twelve years and thirty. Two billion dollars was taken down. That's a stopped the Bank of Japan. Also I did a unique operation which has got no commentary which is offering dollar liquidity against Jiji Peas. Now that is different and that is very powerful because it helps unlock a lot of dollar liquidity. That is otherwise trapped in the Japanese financial system perplexingly the ACP is still holding off until tomorrow to do their Dulles swap up Russian. But I would imagine the type down. It'll be very large so all. I'm counseling. He attended. Is that look? There's any number of things that are not working terribly well in the dollar plumbing whether it be by swap spreads on the run versus off the run treasuries caught. Frankly anything any listener would anticipate to be a bit banged up right now. Is Banged up but Olot Council is. Let's give it twenty four to forty eight hours to allow these central bank dollar. Liquidity Operations Tyke Hall Era Early Encouraging. Signs. The dollar liquidity is stopped to flow. So if I if I heard that right there is some at least intermittent mucking up the plumbing. But there isn't anything today that should cause us concern that the system itself won't work. Its way through as the virus does and at some point in time maybe we see all kinds of different conditions a few weeks few months whatever it may be down the road yes and can I signed by France. Thank you for drawing me back to your original question which is completely. I've looked to be a let's contrast today with seven especially unlocked two thousand night every regulated financial institution and all the big ones has more liquidity has more capital and generally less leverage if we assume that central counterparties are robust given all the derivatives that essentially cleared the financial system generally has less counterparty risk the point being ted divide all that up and then think about these gigantic liquidity buses that every lodge bank has and finally that every lodge bank on the planet has effectively pre-positioned collateral preapproved collateral with the Central Bank. It is difficult to imagine. Leeann esque type event. But I'm afraid that the end of the good news because of the past twelve years we have as intended transferred old risk to nonbank financial institutions. So risk is now in nonbank financial institutions and often in vehicles that AINA LIQUID ASSETS WITH DAILY LIQUIDITY. Which is absolutely absurd. So what I'm worried about is not the regulated prudentially regulated banking system. I'm not worried about them. Because in Syrian in practice they can take their entire balance-sheet to their friendly local central bank and retarded either for not just a week or die but perhaps tone which is no bad thing and it is very cheap right so that can create some positive carry on the balance sheet to muddle through Ted. What about is always nonbank financial institutions that have taken on more Morris to keep up with apply. They don't have liquidity buffers by definition. Don't actually own the assets. The allocated DOTS so these gigantic buy side firms actually have liquidity. Botha's allow I'm happy to report in the case of some Canadian pension plans. Who's we both know some enormous? They have taken steps over the past couple of years to create some chronic liquidity. So one of watching for and I don't want to mention nines but I'm actually watching credit default swaps on some of the world's largest listed asset managers. Not because I think any of them are zero to be clean because it will be a metaphor for how counterparties of the world's largest listed asset managers of thinking about some of the counterparty risk. And what's happened with the levels of those swaps generally over these last couple of weeks? I Have Gone Weipa which is nice surprise. Put it this fight if J. P. Morgan Sayed yes. I don't want to be very clear. Jt Morgan is the ultimate too big to file because I have created them. Selves is the ultimate too big to fail. That is dominos. Frankly genius if J. P. Morgan Senior. Cds has doubled. And I don't want to mention names but sit and buy side firms have more than doubled which makes a lot of sense and then Ted of been concerned about this for many years if I'm unallocated and this is the absurdity of of financial system if I'm allocated to particularly launch bond sought some and I said to myself Gosh Copper Dame but how do I justify my superiors that I've done my best to hedge. I start shorting that stock and I know it's absurd that I've actually seen. It happened over the past two weeks. And that's not a good look. It's not a good look. Frankly also when certain hedge funds shorting the Shays of the prime broker who at the end of the day determines whether that Hedge Fund sizing business owners so just to be clear for the benefit of listeners. Prudentially regulated banks. I'm not terribly troubled. Buys FELLAS nonbank financial institutions. Who may have done some silly things? I'm watching like a hawk and Farnell point all the best buy side firms with whom you'll listers to him. I should say your listeners might have allocated. Over the past several years they have as the banks have invested tens and tens of millions of dollars in upgrading the risk technology in benign to take a phone wide view of all credit exposures to reposition assets in more appropriate vehicles to create new strategies exposure to credit derivatives as opposed to cash. Bongino endless list of precautions. That the best guys teiken but boy. Oh boy it takes a tremendous investment budget. It takes consistence. It takes tremendous technology and must've all employing people who've experienced more than one cycle to really understand what the risks are and I contrast the best whose names will A soul readily with all these newbie bolt-on asset managers. That have emerged over the past. Ten years do they have one homogeneous risk system inside that businesses all like Deutsche Bank over the past ten years do they have all sorts of systems bolted onto each other the dunk. Taika homogenous risk exposure view across the fin. These sorts of things are gonNA matter. Well James thanks so much for taking the time we will watch alongside you and I know. Hope is not a strategy but it does seem time to hope for the best. I think it does and I'm grateful for Tom. And I'm grateful for your listeners. Time Ted. The good news is that the central banks might not necessarily bay coordinated. They have room to do more to give us a bridge. The fiscal response is starting to accelerate. And if I could leave listeners with one takeaway ferment chat this morning. We have a double supply. Side shock cousin. Nineteen and the energy dispute. We have a nascent demand shock because we're all staying at home. Consumption has done to decline the last thing the world needs on top of that is a financial system shock and that is why the central banks are acting in such a forceful way and they all night. I have more to do. And that is to todd. The financial system over until the necessary full-throated fiscal response can arise but believe me and macaroni. Set The bar the fiscal responses coming. It's slow than we all decide but I'd be surprised even the US in particular. We done have a headline biggest rule sorts of things of three quarters of a trillion. Eight hundred billion dollars as soon as today but we need to be patient as a lot of dislike to be wrung out of markets. The dollar plumbing isn't quite where it needs to be but I think we just need to be a little bit patient and try to save through the other side and dare to imagine what assets we might wish to. I with a multi give you already cracked exchange. Thanks probably have a good one. Thanks for listening to this episode. I hope you found nugget or to take away and apply in your besting and your life. If you'd like what you heard. Please tell a friend. And maybe even write a review on itunes. You'll help others discover the show and I thank you for it. Have a good one and see next time.

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Episode 8 Gut Binders

Psynautical

10:50 min | 1 year ago

Episode 8 Gut Binders

"However everyone this. Jared this Zara Look Tori. Sponsorship Audio Blurb. Desist to tell people that I use anchor, wits knocks an APP you can use on. Leave IPHONE android Computer and there, it's all connected account. It's very easy to do You can make money from it, and there's no minimums. There's no nothing to sign up for pay for and automatically distributes it to a bunch of different platforms ball to. spotify apple podcasts in a lot more. The fruit the APP is available on itunes store android. and. You can also go to the website which is anchored dot FM to get started. A? Everyone on this episode is going to be a solo on just with me. and I'm going to focus on talk about gut minors, but some other stuff that I think are important to take With them or outside of them that will also help enhance it. I, also WANNA. Talk about my book I have several things in the story notes and the video description depending on where you're a listener washing her. I guess the show notes reading about it, but anyways I do have a book out I. Am recently updated and changed the cover I am? Still looking for reviews if people want to just a copy of the book and gains for the and you'll have lifetime. I may eventually split up to books into more. Topics because it was pretty broad and I've narrowed it down to kind of. Three general categories and I made narrow it down further But my If you if you feel if you want. A copy of the book, told me about hundred pages long. has some resources in it. I plan on uptake with some recipes eventually But yeah if anyone wants to a copy of that, feel free to email me just the name of the podcast sign. Article Edgy Melville Calm and book is actually sign article. If he just wanted buy on kindle there is a paperback version. I may get rid of that just because I'm having troubles. Try and find a better kind of design it myself. I made just tire out someone and see if they can do that. anybody who's got binders is something that I learned about Almost exclusively from Josh Mason, but there have been other. People as well to the I know are big proponents of it. I've seen blog posts and. I know on Dr. cling heart of Sophia. Fia Institute were known for Treating Autism. Lime and some other issues he. He's a big proponent of Gut binders By know of Some other line blogs that talk about as well to It's something that I've been using for a while now And I think it's good for detoxification, but also forgot health a lot of other things essentially what they are is. Got binders or I guess intestinal just. What is it cleanser cleaners sweepers of sorts, is they basically? They're negatively charged Substances and these are typically They tend to be either plant fibers. lexa Leon has powder, or they tend to be some kind A. Clay such as tonight. Been Tonight Klay, or something like that, but also charcoal is while to and what you do. Is You It's you. I Know Katie, is he? I know keep. The problem. and. you can either take these in capsule form, or you can mix them in a mix them with water and then just drink him on an empty stomach, and you can take these about the first first thing you do when you wake up and you want to wait about an hour before you eat anything else, and these are negatively charged particles in the old line too heavy metals, toxins, biotoxins, and I know some of these Even help with indigestion food poisoning in such like that, too, and there have been at least there's been some anecdotal anecdotal reports stories, but also some research done is animals will typically if they feel poison if they don't feel well or indigestion is often. Some kind of fibers such as grass, or they'll eat, some dirt or whatever In ways, there's a lot of them I'm just GONNA list? The ones that I've Kinda user familiar, most familiar with. there's Michael Cheetah which I think. It's actually from a I think health, weight loss, and a few other things as well, too, but it's A. Kind of marine animal show. I can't think of it right now, but there's also Michael Silica. There's coconut charcoal. Talk Sumi, which is actually bamboo charcoal. Zeolite Klay Ben Tonight. Clay Modified Citrus Pectin Selene, powder, and Interros Gel, which is actually. I believe it's more marketed in used overseas. But I have bought it on Amazon I've tried to find if I could maybe find it. so are cheaper I know. Some people just use a little bit of Time I. Have used like a whole thing at a time i. do like a show it's kind of easy to use. It's just kind of like a Gel that dissolves in. It's kind of when you drink it. It's jockey It did take me some use to getting us to these binders, especially, because some of these. If you can make some I usually take glass jar glass Mason Jar. you can try blending. I'm and other stuff like that, too, but sometimes they don't always mix well. and they take some getting used to. They can kind of upset your You take him I, actually prefer now mostly uses capsules especially because I can use and throughout the day And there is a period. I think about ten PM. The arm. Your gallbladder actually flushes starts to detox lot. So that's another time that you can actually take gutters as well to the thing with gut minors. Though is that they do, they do tend to be concentrating the combat you up, so you do need some kind of gentle laxatives. And kind of work on some gut health as well to I won't go for something like hardcore, but you can. There are some simple ones such as magnesium, oil or supplement I'm you really can't take too much You'll kind of know because you'll. Start to have pretty loose bowels. There's bold ot which I've tried There's oxy powder I've lied is by. I can't remember the company, but there's also follow which I believe is from Chinese medicine. It's a combination of herbs and while these binders typically bind to a lot of. Stuff you don't want in your body. They do bind to kind of vitamins and minerals who want to supplement with some nutrient dense foods I like these stone, but there's much other ones. There's colostrum show legit saying that right Black Mauka Machi Berry Marinda Marine Phytoplankton Com Berry Quinton. Mukunda Peruvians Royal Jelly aunt protein. Colorado bone broth key Mukunda. kind on Pine Pollen. Spirulina and I also think just juicing with I typically like to use kind of like low carb. Fruits and Veggies, but I used like a combination and I think it's a good way to get a lot of vitamins and nutrients and you. You just kind of like celery. Berries Kinda like strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, all different kinds of berries. sometimes some Kale or spinach some oranges, lemons some lime celery. If I didn't already mentioned that sometimes, use a little carrot. but there's much otherwise and I think it's a good way to get a lot of nutrition in you. Also I. Feel like I'm missing something but Yeah but these can also be used if you're going through I. Think they are helpful if you say on some kind of. Herbal Protocol for antiviral anti-bacterial, such as like The Cabin Protocol Zhang If you're doing IB, collation if you're taking chelation, oral chelation kind of EDTA DMP NPS. And that's kind of another topic that I may focus on as well. If you've had say like ozone therapy or some other things. I think it will really help because I think a lot of these therapies, they kind of detox and they Get rid of a lot of the toxins your body, but you really need something kind of bind to it to kind of suck it up, then you can expel him through waste But another way that you can kind of gentle laxative that you can do. I know some people do it every day. I only do it a few times. A week is a coffee in amount of these are pretty. It does take some getting used to and a little bit of trial and error, but I found is pretty helpful while to. If you like this content, please feel free to subscribe. like comment. Leave a review. Please check my book checkout on all. Include a lot of this in the show notes as well as the. Video notes as well, too. And Yeah I may in the near future. I'm thinking about doing some coaching, but all. I'm kind of old often that till my own health gets better. We at checkout out all the subscribe all that Jazz I'll see you later bye!

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Five Hangover Myths, Going "California Sober," and Acceptance

The Sunday Scaries Podcast

14:12 min | 1 year ago

Five Hangover Myths, Going "California Sober," and Acceptance

"My Name's will freeze and this is a sunny skies podcast you're cure this week we're going to talk about hangover mitts the newly coined term California sober island iced teas into my arm through an IV. I'd still probably wake up with more energy than I wake up with these days Adam and B twelve is supposed to do at the time I woke up with a throbbing headache and upset stomach I knew Sir before bad like Don Draper sticking to only one type of liquor and even going as far to purchase cures and I put that in quotes that truly do nothing and in that vein I think it's time oxen's unfortunately or maybe fortunately for those who don't want to do anything at all literally impossible to sweat out the appropriate amount of alcohol to actually make you feel better mentally elevated mood increased energy you get it but be careful this was a common saying I heard growing up before I even drank I knew it before I had my first SIP book a book I definitely need to buy or at least ask for for Christmas he told Cosmo in the first place the order in which you gesture drinks really has nothing to do with the hangover itself facts of your hangover the next morning at someone who loves an early Morning Cup of coffee it can also act as a diuretic which can further dehydrate you and make all your symptoms feel myth number four eating greasy meal the next day will soak up all the alcohol bt's Burgers at barely hold together and chicken and Waffles at our crusher calorie count for the day experienced indigestion your heartburn you're lucky these go hand in hand for me and heartburn is something is that greasy food especially when you're a person with a relatively healthy diet smoother than a triple cheeseburger covered in bacon no matter how good that cheeseburger may sound you can't handle something like a whiskey on the rocks or Neat Scotch more recently though I've your efforts are somewhat pointless the harsh reality is that this isn't the sugar but the quantity of drinks it's the sheer amount of alcohol that leads to the drunkenness and that also leads to your hangover while it I'd like to be the first to know pretty cut and dry phrase either drink or you don't oftentimes alcohol almost as much

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Heartburn, Indigestion and Misery on Me

Green Wisdom Health Podcast by Dr. Stephen and Janet Lewis

31:47 min | 1 year ago

Heartburn, Indigestion and Misery on Me

"Hey about heartburn indigestion and misery on me and for those of you that are not familiar with who we are we do low cost lab work all across welcome to this week's edition of the Green Wisdom Health show I'm Janet Lewis and I'm not Louis and we are going to educate you a little bit today although I think it's not really appropriate grains because they're genetically modified I'm telling you folks that's a real problem and anytime lot less flatulence for those of you that don't know what flashing lights is that's what cheer husband does and tries to hold you under the sheet and he thinks it's funny a problem there it can be just the disorder all by itself food allergies I think is a major contributing factor intolerance of product that is based on your lab work and not just guessing so with that Dr Louis we've had many questions about heartburn a little bit of those supplement issues at the end of this show and we keep you from buying the wrong things at the health food stores and getting a better grade quality assists Such as lactose intolerant can cause indigestion although there are many many many intolerances and now I'm studying this on with it so would you please in lightness as only you can do the pressures again you know one thing you can do you can and so I have to read read read study discern the truth from the smoke mirrors and bull that they do put out there quite a bit carbohydrates grains and legumes there's also other studies that say well you kind of need to soak that and nature put in its own south us with a good memory thank goodness for that. So the indigestion can be a symptom that's stomach or the intestines and it can be oh brand new thing there's a big difference between food allergies and food sensitivities and holy cow the differences the things I've learned recently you decide where the indigestion or heartburn could be coming from is there something you can do about it naturally and what is going on the one of the major contributing factors the things that were most sensitive or allergic to is the high complex in an indigestion and apparently that's a big deal they apparently gave you a lot of medications sport and over the counter medication so we're going to help you a protective mechanism by oh well you gotTa Soak Grain for longtime before it begins to sprout and that's why if you soak you're baynes before you cook them it creates sorry I'm going down the rabbit hole are you know indigestion can be a lot of things and I do tell people you know I'm chiropractor and I look at things from a structure function point of view it's always is GonNa web md because that's like one of those choose your own adventure books where the result is always death like being pushed off the cliff or you could do something different you can get organic or non genetically-modified you need to do it I don't care what it costs because I was talking to a guy the other day very very incredibly intelligent man and there was we are never who we were last week last year ten years ago were just constantly evolving in just scared to death that it's like oh I'm missing something good idea to see a Gi doc because it can be something super serious like pancreatic cancer stomach cancer Safa Gio kanter it is good to get a medical opinion we quite a few people that did tasked with this new lab that can figure out the real differences between food allergies and intolerances way beyond a lot of these the mucosal lining and that's what you would call leaky gut so do have the best medical profession on earth I think one of the biggest issues we have is too many toxins and not up nutrient no that's true because I read all the research he was one of them in there was to others well he was raised in Mexico the other guy was raised in Peru and then the third guy was raised in Cuba because they don't Mo's are killing us that's why we have more problems we have more I hate to say autism but that's one of the factors there add bacteria because it kills the good bacteria and that's why I tell people it's really hard to get probiotics to where they really and truly colonize in the gut lube companies that say they're doing it which I think a lot of smoke and mirrors but hey said well there was three people that did not have a gluten issue we have more autoimmune diseases and it's getting more common but it's getting younger and younger because these people these kids been born from mothers that recent tests makes Dr Louis Thank Holy Crap the rules apply to May two so I've got to give up gluten on already had their genetics messed up the jam us or their immune system also so then it creates a back we're trying to keep the cost low so we will have those they are incredible and like I said stay tuned because they have been that you're headed that way and you stopping the gluten could actually reverse it and cause you to not become have seal EAC so boards ILIAC disease from having too much gluten and incredibly it can be you know a slight amount of moderate amount dugs on it and then we've got to build those on the back to the website we're trying to figure out what you guys would be interested in and as far as packages and so the bacteria changes then you get CBO small intestinal bacterial overgrowth the gut then produces toxins now these toxins will damage view. Stop it you can actually start reversing it so there we haven't been any other test out there like it that actually can tell you the site is like well you are strange child now you're stranger adult just because it can kill you right on the spot doesn't mean it's not bad for you I'm telling you is about this test is it can show you headed that way and say hey if you don't stop eating gluten you will have sealy axe disease and sometimes psychotic didn't even read it now and I was just asking a question okay so she was soccer psychotic again I'm have you for these things you know when you say I have heartburn are those really curing the issue or what exactly's Komo more than worth the money that we spend on it to find out information and they do a lot for a very very relatively small amount yet podcast and talk about hair analysis and how crazy they are different with the same hair sample in for the third time so I I don't have any faith in them so cuny digestive enzymes and probably destroyed hydrochloric acid with beaten and in hydrochloric acid is trauma thel and well when you say not fix my sale so God for Janet It's interesting you talk about these tests which you and I both ran of the the one thing that was on this it's called a wheat we're test it actually has the ability because you know we're all probably going to fail it then and we know we're full of gluten oh I don't say we're full of some ills ah that's pretty exciting and I know y'all say well when is this coming on the on the actual website so we can order it we're still working out a couple of the what my limits were well guess what you can't fix yourself so folks don't think you can get information and fix yourself coast Dr Louis Brilliant as I am I'm not smart and so yeah Abso- dinners beggars a good thing but I think it's super super soon simplistic what about the drugs connotes and she's just almost psychic in the things that she asked because I'm there in my completely different sudden nose so she soccer I'm my sister columnist says you know my mother's sitting there looking in a mirror talking to somebody else she's urinating freely she's constipated cannot poop and she's and tell me they said we'll I'll drink apple cider vinegar and the heartburn goes away whale yes it's a little bit asset if you can drink apple cider vinegar and make you feel better for God's sake much she got dementia and then they put her own because she got that dimension and had some Brian Issues from that and they didn't even start small they hitter hi mountaineers your you have see disease which is a horrible thing to have and Go Dot comes into diagnosis stuff that good news oh you know we've known in America that our souls were depleted since the early nineteen hundreds depleted of the minerals which helps make the vitamins so back to the drugs oh you hear analysis companies if you're listening hey proved me wrong so you know one of the things that I tell people are sometimes people come in we'll have the genetically modified crops and I don't care what my some of my facebook friends say they some GMO's refining spray Muffin Slam with glass a program not against drugs I'm I'm against the need for having to to use drugs they put my mother own some drugs once upon a time one of the real problems I see is some of the an acid are aluminum-based what Jesus we know aluminum can't who because of the bad you know crops like you said but it also has a part of a test it's called a fusion snap where it shows you if you're headed a huge dose and then they put her on a well-known anti depressive drug and I went to see my mother and I try to figure out what was going on can coffee with no coffee no water and she's trying to turn the stove on can't get turned on thank God there was a safety device because it was gas and I said Oh good Lord I'm booked up Google and Oral B. Twelve you have to do you have to go way beyond the Rda because there's always or almost always an absorption problem offset place start giving my Mama B twelve shots and she wouldn't do it even with the research I don't know why so I gave my mother massive massive massive doses of siblings doc and then if you have calcium carbonate and dropped the acid level in your stomach the stomach says almo God is too low and it has an acid rebound and we're looking at your Globulin your globulin optimally should be about a two point seven or two point eight and many times we see people with it at and within about three weeks my mother knew who she was looking at in the mirror she could make coffee I mean her mind came back within about three weeks all because we gave her b twelve helping with what's happening with the drug part of it you know what's really amazing folks is that Janet now work so well together because we have two completely different Sir and you're having all this burping belching stuff so that's a good indicator that you may need the digestive enzymes and then on the chloride end if it's really it said that you can have a decreased sexual ability and or breast enlargement talking about attribute Alzheimer's and all kinds of other things sometimes they have calcium carbonate well that's like licking on a limestone result from prolonged excessive use of the heartburn medication Tagamet so maybe your man boobs aren't because you're drinking hello and that's why the Judicious use of be tainted Clark acid is very important we can tell within six pills and three meals point and against an auto my mother said well if he gives you that much relief go ahead and take it but you have to take digestive enzymes that sound like a broken record norman cancel the whole day and I went to see my mother and they'd put around some antiacid drugs to micro feel better and I'm not against that but it lowered or B twelve which is easier smarter yeah most everybody needs it and on lab when you're looking at lab because if you don't know what you need on the metabolic panel laying down after eating that it bothers you like I said having low stomach acid you're overweight those drugs don't they tell you that you have too much stomach acid and that's why you need to take it most of the time you know unless they really really tested is really alot that tells you you actually don't have an hydrochloric acid in the gut and that's where Dr Lewis was talking about doing beating you know there was an interesting ended up with a worse than it was before and guess what aluminum and calcium carbonate can do calls constipation interesting you know and they trauma ethel that that means it's a meth Lahser that means a cleanser so don't be afraid to take digestive enzymes and or clerk acid with pets on her antidepressant drug and gave it to another sister I said here you take this crap my mother's not GonNa take this and I gave her md the research on between career which is a bad thing. I can't drink beer anymore because the gluten in it I hadn't tried any gluten free beers that I think are worth going back for the second one which anyway the United States so the we are not guessing about what's going on with your health issues and then we put you on pharmaceutical grade supplements which we're gonNA address the red one time as Emel stir the pot is from Johns Hopkins and there's some really incredible research comes out of there I have quite a few archived here me and not women digestion heartburn I I don't know where he comes up with this stuff it always goes back to this okay go ahead generations over we'll we'll we'll pick some of your common causes heartburn or Korea me and your husband's flap in the sheets trying to gross you out at night yeah probably not going to the bathroom well so on you know folks I've had these tests with other labs and again I'm not impressed and I know some people say I need this I said yeah no but I WANNA make sure it's real one of these days it depends on what you're measuring and if you got it that bad that you've got a lot of burping belching gas you in course it had the beasts six and the B. One dotted on it's very very important you think we don't have nutrient deficiencies you're crazy because you really need it or not but again if you can take apple cider vinegar and make you feel better in that regard you need the beaten or you can just do digestive essentials replant oh three point one but you you're going well that isn't very far off well on lab it's hugely off sometimes a tenth of a point is a big deal sometimes it's counselor I get to speak my mind if you're a lawyer out there sorry issues your arms it's a decrease sexual bill militaire breast enlargement can eight which personal out of America is even though you're looking around and thinking hey everybody looks like me you are probably still overweight China you'll feel fat at one hundred seventy seven pounds I was the fat boy on the block and now when you're this then it's like Oh you must have cancer because you're so thin but but honestly from a life worth living the bloodstream is start burrowing little holes into the Arterial walls so there's many many reasons works like crazy it's called mastic gum D. G. L. Dirt will it cinnamon flavored dirt has the even our government is brilliant as they are says the average American only gets forty percent of your daily requirement of magnesium level in your stomach then it can't allow H. Pylori and other that bugs grow and then they can actually get into learned fifty count bottles like crazy and yes it booed my stomach in a big way sometimes having a Heidel and it's really funny since Mary Janet I rarely rarely rarely rarely ever tycoon bupropion but before Janet I used to take those calm down some of the heartburn and some you've probably not heard of we we've got a new one that it doesn't taste great but Zim and you talk about H. Pylori a lot of people don't even know if they have H. Pylori but one way you can tell if it might be h Pylori is if you're in water and it makes it worse so if it comes down water makes it worse it's generally H. Pylori and we do have in the middle of that hurting like that and you drink a little bit of ti any kind of not and it calms it down or if you drink products for that like gastro meant and you know in May we are to discuss some of the products that we have beside just digestive essentials that actually helped y you need to you know think about this and it can be as heartburn can be just magnesium deficiency which almost everybody you know so you're chiropractor for that when it works wonders sometimes it's level of H. Pylori a problem is if you'd lower your Hydrochloric acid or acid up and in the indigestion heartburn is gone quickly so if you don't want to take medication that's a great combination Dr Lewis you might WanNa talk a little bit weather lying about this lemon flavor I mean you can it starts out good but the ending doesn't taste great but it really does work their little white papers and you can Chuma Eh will actually cause heartburn which I've seen Dr Lewis Actually help with the tower practic others soft tissue manipulation for that a bit go down this rabbit hole but it's still really and truly is related I was talking about H. Pylori in different things they can burrow get into your arterial system all kinds of different things that really really helps some of his deal big ones Glue L. Glued mean glued means one of them you know acids and I WanNa talk just a little about the Glucose I'm sorry the GI support that we have that is a powder that's a powder I like powders and it you know it has the things in it I'm an calls you know little holes there and the body in its defense mechanism plaques with cholesterol cholesterol's not the Burger barrettes the coronary arteries to be a toddler. Don't worry about it and the reason I talk about that is because there's an amino acid that's called a cdl L. Carnitine and that's an incredible one we actually stock that because it's so good some of the things that does it's good for nation mood and Alzheimer's disease is good for anti retroviral neuropathy peripheral neuropathy it's good for attention meant to be and I just loaned out my book the cholesterol hoax to another doctor in Oh dear Jesus please bring it back but I did it because his doctor got hit hit listen hyperactivity disorder and fragile x syndrome. It's good for just straight depression it's it's good for cardiovascular scores because you can have the plaque and it may be related to bad digestion I've got a coronary calcium score and function it's good for chemotherapy induced neuropathy Galore we get all those people they said I have this neuropathy said I've had chemo what is the difference between nitrates and Nitrites we get a lot of good post from penny so please keep it up T- I've given that about two other things to men at had sperm count that was deformed and weren't swimmers at all and in who all of a sudden her wife Got Gawk side is it important to her health she's got several parts of this question where where do we find nitric oxide in the body and you're about to have a heart attack within two or three years according to the research basically they said with a calcium score of six I've got as much calcium in my heart awesome and it just goes on and on and on and I'm telling you people adjust take the Acetyl L. Carnitine and didn't link it to anything else Gawk side let's start there not oxide is very very important a lot of men lack l arginine another amino acid I think I'm going to have to get deeper into the Immuno as they notice a lot of other things get better so yeah bring me back out of that rabbit hole and I'll get started down wherever you want me to go well I WANNA make sure we addressed there are some research studies said you can get too much not nitric oxide in your body so be careful there that's why you go for professional advice hopefully to Janet and me it helps remove the oxidants like you've heard antioxidants like see in e eight to cure the mate because it gives it the pink or reddish color which makes it more attractive if you don't put it there it the visit they lack that because it gives them a boost of energy it helps testosterone it helps the cardiovascular system it helps eight turns Brown even though that may not be a bad thing it's better looking if it's pink at least in our subconscious mind there's some people that said origin and the other one has to again I've told you several times I hated chemistry did have to pass it though they put the nitrates in the me sure formula works so much better and I'm not against Arjun it does work but they both create nitric oxide oxide and what that does oh well the first hand is growing hair back out and I said Yeah I put you on Ceelo Corentin a few other things and all of a sudden takes a little time but they get well it's it's when away and speaking of probiotics do they have anything to do with the making indigestion or heartburn or any of that stuff name which is kind of anti microbial main kill the bad boettger bears like prior she's fungus bacteria so I don't think it's been studied for HIV infection to help prevent diabetic cataracts men's health it can reverse infertility I've had a history of chest pain which has led to the heart and my report said your total count him scores six will four hundred two thousand circulation and it helps with erections and all these guys come in I said what do you have any of this I see yes the nitrates and nitrites increase your risk of cancer but I personally think that's questionable because if you have the other things that help with this veggies and the GI systems it goes into the GI system are from the GI system from your vegetables and goes into the bloodstream. Be Less many many times because it can overpower bad things like eastbound H. Pylori my favorite keeps the surface of the blood vessels really kinda smooth so the platelets don't bind and decreases the chance Klotz read into that that's what that means we'll maybe you need the digestive enzymes in the probiotics and a few other nutrients and when your body's working correctly people say I don't know but my allergies or sensitivities get on Internet get somebody's crazy opinion or you can dig down into the Rio Rio Research Nitrite come naturally there's actually more men but Senator Elaine works better if you knew the difference between Arginine may gives you that big burst but it's quick if you take Citra Lane and vitamin C. N. E. actually help stabilize the nitric oxide so that's from L Arginine but more importantly in longer-lasting is from El Cid Charlaine now to the the question about nitrites and not try it's one of them has I think three molecules has a half life in the body and it lasts so much longer read between the lines there man and that's why we have Sicher Lane in our blood hand the different bifida bacterium to be good for the gut you know from small intestine to the colon but that one's wonderful because we have for men Sir the question that we had here last week that we did not get to from penny which she would like to know about nitric fine I'm not sure that would increase your risk of cancer but Alexei that's questionable you can read a Web MD and come to horrible conclusion or you can he many years carried the innate there twenty fourteen or fifteen fourteen all the people out there listening that are taking that product on us doing it because you know we don't put anything in here unless we've done it and between the three of us in here late and you know it's got all the good stuff he's got the lactobacillus different strains especially the sal various which starts in Salah right next three to six months is good for perennials disease is good for people that have alcohol in psoriasis of the of the liver alcoholic good for the mouth it's got the bifida bacterium it's got the streptococcus therm office which is the good strip not bad one it's got enough the lactobacillus all know that that has been a staple of ours for many many years I actually am changing that product to the profile complete vase bad thing by say avoid them and again I'm not sure that's really correct so you be the judge and if you're people say I'm allergic to them we usually have a problem that warrants the use of one of those products to try and we do experiment with other people to yes and then that profile elite The lady that told me about it said you know it'll make you go to the bathroom or if you don't have problems needing that it won't make you go to the bathroom we've had about twenty different products were trying to get them down to about six different choices and we've got another one that's we call a

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Where did the Earth's atmosphere come from?

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Where did the Earth's atmosphere come from?

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Ten ten dollars for your first tank exchange with pro tank ten visit propane. Taxi dot com. No contact no commitment. No problem daniel. Did you see that amazing volcano that erupted in iceland. Is that the one in foggia towels fiat on is. Is that how you say in my slavic. I don't actually speak icelandic though. Speak danish icelandic is more like old norse but is lynn. The country is super awesome and filled with volcanoes. And there's one right now spewing hot lava like as we speak. Yeah it's like the earth is breathing out burping or vomiting. The earth got indigestion. I think no wonder how you say. Indigestion in icelandic volcano mulqueen those fiat degree creator of comics on daniel. I'm a particle physicist and substantially less gase than the island of iceland. Are you less gase on. The average physicist no comment are. Y'all i'm more full of hot air. Yeah exactly podcast daniel. And he explained the universe april of iheartradio in which we blow your mind into tiny little pieces of gas by talking about all the crazy stuff that exists in our universe. We go way way back to the very beginning of the universe. Talk about how all that happened. How it led to this crazy beautiful structure that we see today. And what progress we've made in unraveling that structure and understanding the fundamental nature of matter and space and time. Of course what the open questions are still yeah. We are here. Burping out amazing facts about the universe and expelling them out into the atmosphere for all of you to breathe in your brains in absorb them and hopefully get nerds with some amazing bruce about the universe less right. We want these hot truth to roll over. You like lava flowing out of volcano. But you know we hope not to burn you too much. Think kinda hot. I love it you love it i love and i love it and who doesn't love love but yeah it's a pretty big universe and we are just as small tiny little planet floating in the middle of mostly emptiness careening through space ready to be hit by an asteroid. Perhaps and this planet has a long and illustrious history. It hasn't looked the way it currently does for most of its life. We don't think of the solar system and the galaxy is changing very much. They seem sort of static. But on the cosmological timescale things are crazy. Things are chaotic. things are changing all the time. Yeah it's easy to thank when you look out into the universe and to the stars that things are always the way they are right now. But no actually. The universe is very dynamic. And it's changing and it's constantly evolving. Rich tells us something important about what is gonna be like if we want to know what the future is going be like and whether humans can still live on it we'd better dig into its past and understand how got to be such a warm and wonderful cozy place to live. Yeah what are we gonna be burping in one hundred million years. Perhaps or having indigestion with yeah so the earth has an amazing history and so one part of the earth. It's a very important to us. Is its atmosphere. I count on every day i breathe. It fills me with live every single moment. Really when you think about it no absolutely. We rely on it every single day. We couldn't live without it. It feeds just us of course but all the things that we eat drink the atmosphere. It's a very complex and elaborate system of pumping gas out of plants and into plans and out of the ocean into the ocean. It's an amazing and complicated system. And it's incredible that it works at all frankly and then it's even at all stable. Thank goodness we have without an atmosphere. We wouldn't be here. We would just be out of breath and choke to death but we would also be a pretty toasty. Thanks to all of the radiation coming from space. That's right the atmospheres here. He keeps us. Warren acts like a blanket and also acts like a shield protecting us from so many rocks and particles and all sorts of stuff coming from space. So it's a pretty important part of life you're on earth today and hopefully it'll stick around for another billion years so yeah we should appreciate it because it wasn't always here on earth. The earth didn't always have an atmosphere. There was a time in the history of earth that we were basically naked right out in space. Nothing to drape over us. That's right if you build a time machine and you wanna see the early earth don't neglect to bring your spacesuit because if you go back to three four billion years into earth's history you're not going to be able to breathe. Whatever was on the earth if there even was anything. Yeah and so a big question would be. How did it get this way. How is it that we have does beautiful and fresh well. Depending on where live fresh air for us to take in and enjoy and live with. It's a fascinating story. That dates way back to the very beginning of the solar system involves lots of dramatic pauses like mccain does and meteors all sorts of other crazy stuff. Sent to the on the podcast. We'll be asking the question. Where did the earth get its atmosphere. Yeah where did it gets airs. Daniel tom beyond earth ride in a very very fine place to hang out. It's very airy blue and transparent. I love what you've done with the place really athlete. I'm guessing maybe is that count as interior design if you're designing entire planet. Or is it distill exterior design. I guess it depends. Are you like an alien shopping for planets. Are you like a an earthling looking around. I'm imagining the aliens. Come they take over the earth and they don't really like what we've done with the place and they want to fix it up a little bit so they hire some like massive geo engineering firm to do the equivalent of interior design but for the whole planet. I wonder if they'll be like a future career. Like hey mom. I wanna be a jio designer or ideo decorator. That's right maher's been using that same sheet of red for a billion years. It's time to pick a fresh color. How 'bout San or a nice mango guava colour. You need always three words in every name for shade of paint while mountain raspberry or something right so you can feel more of red and blue. You're out of business. You're covering a whole planet. I think you're going to sell a lot of gallons of paint. so yes. oh the earth didn't always have the amnesty that we're breathing right now it used to be Pretty inhospitable place right. that's right. It used to be a place where humans or animals could not survive. Because i guess initially you know we formed around a brand new son and we were just a bunch of rocks and gas can gather together by gravity right. Everything in the whole solar system of course came from the same big cloud of gas and dust the form the sun and the planets and everything but the is a little bit more complicated. Yeah so we were wondering as usual. How many people out there know the story of our atmosphere and how we got to have the air that we have so as usual. Daniel went out their into the wild with the internet to ask people worded earth atmosphere and so as usual. If you'd like to participate by answering funny questions with no reparation please write to me. Two questions and daniel and horrid dot com. Trust me. it's fun years. I'd be glad to thing. Guess from brooks joined the pair. The heavy bombardment period guest has got released into the atmosphere but the oxygen atmosphere which a lot higher today came from. I think it's cyanobacteria those rocks in australia That the first things to fight or synthesized initially close a huge event the was just formed. It was hard. And i think they will many chemical reactions going on a weird atomic reactions in all so maybe because of the reactions I think probably they were just hydrogen and helium in the beginning but then to all those reactions older different gases will form then. Maybe i'll before tara most fewer. Let's see we have lots of nitrogen that prevents everything from blowing up. Then we have some oxygen argon. And that's about what i know about earth's atmosphere. I can't really tell me what comes from. I think the atmosphere came from volcanic activity when the earth was young. And i know that. The oxygen came from cyanobacteria producing. It's when live just got started on earth. Well dipoto word was very very hot. So i would say that. The burning into the temperature itself would cause gases to form that would accumulate around the earth being trapped in its gravitational field and once. The earth cooled. The composition of the those guesses must have changed especially when life the started to arise and would start to change the atmosphere and takeouts carbon dioxide and fill it with oxygen. I think they say mars used to have an atmosphere. Maybe we stole mars atmosphere here. Heaven on earth now. Our atmosphere came from all the various eruptions on the earth. In other words the earth. Hot air the biggest conceded he's alive defendant. Organisms say was chemicals from dead mafia mushrooms. It atmosphere easily plunged by absorbent material and in emissions. I'm assuming like a the formation of the earth there is a bunch of like johnston rocks in like two surrounding chemicals and earth lumped together. The rocks lumped together created kind of some strong gravity and like particles like air particles. Hey there's some gravity here. I guess let's stick around stick to it. Then that's what happened a ride a lot of pretty detailed answers you know. People have thoughts on the topic. Yeah they have heirs. Have a lot of things to say about how we got our atmosphere. That's pretty cool. Do you think it's out during the popular culture kind of the history of our atmosphere or you know maybe it's just so immediate people think about it. They literally breathing in and out every day. it's not some weird abstruse topic. That only physicists. Wake up at night. Thinking about is something everybody thinks about and these days with all the discussion of global warming and climate change. It's something that people really do. think about. What's in the air. And how we can influence it and i guess it's kind of interesting that nobody was surprised. Nobody was like what we didn't always have an end. Like people seem to know that it came from somewhere. Yes somebody even suggested. We stole it from mars. No way what is in hot air air. Hot exactly. they're gonna come looking for it. Bring it pulled over with a vacuum and suck it all. Backup up sir. Do you have a receipt for this atmosphere. i do. i just lost it. Seven billion years ago who keeps records that long anyway. Yes so it is an interesting story how we got our atmosphere and so it's interesting to think that that wasn't always the case you know we were just a little barren rock floating out in space with some gas right. Yeah it's really a fascinating story because the earth has had different atmospheres through. It's like a time machine back to the very very early hot earth. You'd experience something very different from if you went back like three billion years ago or one billion years ago which really is a fascinating very very dynamic story with lots of twists and turns yet. It's not just like a different temperature. Maybe or slight tweets in the composition. It's like a totally different set of gas. That was evaluating the earth right. Yeah we have atmosphere three point. Oh these days. We're not breathing. The original atmosphere or even the second atmosphere like on the third version of the atmosphere it's been upgraded twice already. Do you think we got this time or do you think redo an upgrade. I'm pretty happy with it. I got no notes like we schedule. The update can we schedule it for like billion years from now when we're not around. Well that's the problem is sometimes you know you're happy with your version of the operating system and then updates itself and you're like no don't change anything. It was great. We have to update on me. She turned it off. Because sometimes things don't work the same you know that's the solution to climate change rather just unpick that box on the atmosphere operating system. That says new updates please. Everybody stopped breathing for about one hundred years. And then we'll get anyone we're gonna reboot. Yeah all right well. So you're saying this is not our first atmosphere we're under the third version. So what was the first version of the atmosphere so the first version. The atmosphere formed went. Earth formed itself as we were saying before everything. Solar system came from the same basic constituents. You're this huge cloud of hydrogen mostly in a little helium and trace heavier elements. And that whole thing got sparked into a collapse which led to the formation of the son. Of course a huge all of hydrogen and the planet's gathered together all basically came out of the same stuff. And you have planets form because you'd like little rocky cores that gathered together and gradually pulled other stuff along with it and so what was earth atmosphere when it first formed while the only gases around really were hydrogen and helium mostly so just like jupiter and the sun and the other gas giants have the atmosphere's mostly of hydrogen with a little bit of helium earth also had a helium hydrogen envelope around it when it first formed right because i guess you know the whole area ends bays was covered in hydrogen and helium and most of i went into the sun but i imagine some of it sort of hung out around the little rocky planets that were forming yet but not for very long. So what happens is these things are forming in. They're collapsing in this sort of a race. Like the sun is gobbling up. A huge amount of this stuff and the gas giants are out there. They're gobbling up a lot of it and here in the inner solar system it turned out to be pretty hard to hold onto any gas. Because you're competing with the sun that slurping up all the hydrogen as much as it can and you don't have the gravity that like has because the inner part of the solar system is warmer so there's no like rock is to help you build a planet rapidly to grab some of that. Helium and hydrogen so out in the outer part of this whole system were jupiter. Was you had rocks form together. But also with ice the lead them see these larger planet that could hold onto their hydrogen but here in the inner solar system earth was just too small to really hang onto its hydrogen so it was very short lived atmosphere. I guess maybe like you know. Lighter elements like hydrogen and helium. They get more easily sucked in by the sun and other planets then the rocks that we have right. That's kind of what happens. Is that you know. It's so light that it can use leave and get sucked in by december whereas the rocks. It's harder for the sun to have pulled his in. That's exactly right. And there was also an opposite effect because once the sun started burning it was producing a solar wind which is a huge amount of radiation. That then blew off the rest of our atmosphere right and we had no magnetic field yet to protect ourselves from these things. Magnetic field is formed when layers inside the earth like mixing and blending and spinning but the earth was too young to have like differentiated and had these nicely divided layers that could produce a magnetic field and so the solar radiation also blew off any gas that we did manage to grab so initially. We had a little bit of gas around are kind of in brand new earth but then quickly either left or a guy blown away. Yeah so this first atmosphere was very very short lived. I'm not even really sure you could say settled down before. It got slurped by the sun and then blown off by the radiation. I feel like there's a lot of gas and wind in this story gaining a little You know strike here. Not just 'cause make dig a terms but there is a lot of stuff going on like the early. Civil system was very chaotic place and it could have gone a lot of directions. You know you could anna planet here or planet there. The reason we have a planet depends on a lot of very small chaotic factors that depended on like the distribution of the initial stuff. But a little bit more clumpy or there you would have gone a different set of planets all right so then. We had a little bit of hydrogen and helium but then that quickly went away and so what was our second atmosphere so then the earth was barren right. We had just a ball of rock with really no atmosphere to speak of say this period. Here where the earth is like naked this no atmosphere protecting the surface of the earth from basically space. And you know. Interestingly i talked to some geologists and they don't see the earth as naked in that sense like for them. The atmosphere is part of the crust. Is like a different kind of crust. Don't think of it as like the crust ends at the service and then you have atmosphere. The atmosphere is just part of the crust. Because he's like constant interchange between the atmosphere and the surface and it's just like you know another layer of the earth share. I guess to a geologist they want it all. They wanted all the air. That's part of my grant proposal as well galaxy. Of course everybody's geology humans. We're also geology. Are geology leah. We are part of the crust. And that's where this outer gaz layer of the crust that we call atmosphere came from when replenish replenish. From inside the earth because volcanoes like the one in iceland and other ones around the earth out gassed like internal processes inside the earth led to these explosions and eruptions which can produce enormous quantities of gas. Meaning like all this gassed formed inside the earth or just got trap as the earth was sort of warming and all those rocks were actual roxburgh coming together. It's all in there and it's all mixed together. You know you have carbon. You have sulfur oxygen. These are all the elemental ingredients of the solar system. Which are then compressed mixed together. There's a lot of chemistry going on so these elements all mixed together in the way energetically most favourable but then yeah they get spewed from underneath the earth and you know these rocks have gases dissolved in them. Sometimes and then those can come out when there's less pressure against as maybe as things were sort of churning and coming up from service than the gas was able to escape the rock exactly large gathering bubbles exactly can make their way up through the crust and then emitted by the volcano means that's why volcanic eruptions happen right. We talked about this. A reason episode on most of volcanoes in the solar system when you have lava the has like a lot of silica dissolve into it then becomes like very sticky and it can absorb a lot of gas and that gas builds up the pressure and then interrupts the gas can be freed right. And so that's how we got things. Water of water vapor and co two and up in the atmosphere in that second atmosphere. Yes in the second atmospheres mostly as you say. Water vapor carbon dioxide sulfur dioxide and then huge amount of just nitrogen and very importantly. There was no free oxygen. No like oh two. Molecules were floating around in the atmosphere. So this second atmosphere is not something we can breathe at all. It'd be totally toxic. You took a time machine back to this volcanic period of the earth and you took a deep breath as you stepped out you die pretty quickly great not a great place to visit bring your spacesuit no big deal packs them oxygen yeah just oxygen for fifty years and there's one other source of through basic ingredients for our atmosphere in those early days it didn't just come from inside the earth. There are some deposits from the earth because during this period of chaos in early solar system there was a lot of stuff moving around the planets were switching positions and passing through the asteroid belt and passing through the astros built in the other direction which led to a lot of bombardment of the earth. By really big rocks this is called the late heavy bombardment and some of those rocks have water have ice. They have other things frozen into them which then evaporated when they hit the earth interesting so those rocks had other set of gashes and then when they hit the earth they made it into our atmosphere. Just like we talked about. How come it's probably replenish the earth water. In very same way right earth had water when it formed but then boil off because we lost. Our atmosphere is very hot surface and we had a whole episode about how comic replenish the earth's water in the same way asteroids and other things probably also replenished part of our atmosphere Cool all right. Well let's get into how we actually got breathable oxygen in our atmosphere and how we know all of these things. How do we know the history atmosphere prefers minutes could break at children's national hospital. Everything we do is just for kids. Our top ranked specialists are here for kids of all ages from babies. Who need help before they're even born to. Teens and young adults are pediatric experts. 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Yeah do you think airs offended when we sneeze or cough. Get it out of my body. No i think he's probably grateful as much more interesting. Ti to be inside of a wet for human. All right well we had one atmosphere but then it was blown away by the sun and cosmic rays and then we had got a second atmosphere. Those burp up from the rock. Inside of the core of the earth and this has had a lot of oxygen but it would just wasn't free oxygen it was inside of c o two and h two o or s o two but it was not something that we could use like. If we breathe that you wouldn't be able to get that auction. Your lungs can't use that right even though there's oxygen co two if you step into a room that's pure co two. You're gonna fall unconscious pretty quickly and not good all right. So then. that's our second atmosphere. How do we get breathable oxygen breathable. Oxygen came from life right. This was tariff formed by tiny tiny little microbes. But the first hawks dejan that was produced on earth wasn't actually from those microbes. The very first came from ultraviolet light that hit the earth's atmosphere when uv photons is really high energy particles from the sun hit h. two o. Molecules of water. They can break it up and you can get ozone formed in the atmosphere and ozone is just a form of it. It's an oath three molecule and it forms in the upper atmosphere and helps to actually shield us from ultraviolet light so ozone again not something you can breathe. But it's oxygen in the atmosphere which then shielded us from uv. Which helped life. I think evolve a little bit interesting so like he's have water molecules h does there and then when it gets hit by this light it just breaks up and i guess breaks up but then the oxygen doesn't going to owed to. It goes threatening to oath. Three yet in these chemical processes. You always get a mixture of everything but primarily this is how ozone is formed. And you also get some other stuff forming. You know you get a little bit of too. But that's only responsible for like one percent of the oxygen in the atmosphere. That certainly not enough for us to breathe all right. But they did sort of form enough oa-to than the you can had a shield around earth so that you could you know evolve little organisms. That did make oto will. It made three which is zone which is primarily the shield but exactly it provides a shield to protect us from uv and can protect the dna of delicate little critters as they're evolving on the earth. All right so then. That's how we got. Most of our oxygen then is through bacteria and things like that yes so bacteria been around for quite a while turning away in the oceans of the and at some point they evolved the ability to do photosynthesis right to take sunlight and to combine the energy from sunlight with co o two and water and to produce oxygen. And when this happens. They're essentially producing fuel for themselves. And so this is a really cool little thing that they evolved. It's called cyanobacteria that first evolved this ability to basically drink energy from the sun and this started about two point seven billion years ago and that's a very efficient way to turn. Co two h two. Who into i guess. Maybe the you know the primordial soup you know the earth was you know inhospitable but there were little tiny things could grow in this environment in the oceans and then dad started churning out. Oh to dad wasn't very beneficial for them right now. It actually poisons them cyanobacteria are killed by the presence of oh two and so they make too much of it they kill themselves off and again they don't need to a by of the waste product for them but they wanted the ceo to write plans. Breathe co two and produce. oxygen animals. Like us breathe over and produce. Co two and sino bacteria. they're not plans they. They're like the precursors of photosynthesis in plants. Today made a lot of oxygen. But that's not quite the oxygen. We breathe today right. That's right the oxygen that was made by cyanobacteria didn't stick around the atmosphere because oxygen is super duper. Reactive doesn't usually just hang out like if it can react with anything around. It will see you had this. Fresh earth covered in rocks and these rocks are very reactive with oxygen. Like imagine a bunch of iron out there and you combine it with oxygen. Will you get you get rust. And basically moved to the oxygen produced by the earth in the first few hundred million years within breathed in by the rocks on the earth. They like sucked it all up while like the earth was you know shining nice looking and then suddenly bacteria breathing oxygen and everything rusted. Yeah was like hundreds of millions of years where the earth was getting like a weather arrived by the oxygen that was being produced. And you know how you talk about like free radicals etcetera in your body maybe causing damage causing cancer. That's all because of oxygen oxygen and reactive. It's like a crazy thing that's going to touch and break things near it. And so that's what happened. When cyanobacteria started pumping oh two into the atmosphere is that it's starting to get absorbed by all these rocks and break them down and weather is them and as you say rushed the entire planet. I guess that's a process that had to happen. You know what i mean like. You can't just have like a shiny brand new rust free earth and also have oxygen like you're gonna put oxygen in the atmosphere you have to firs. You know rust everything before you can breathe know. Everything is going to drink about oxygen. You want enough floating around in the atmosphere for other things like animals debris then you gotta sort of like fill up all the reservoirs out there that are gonna gobble the oxygen so that there's enough to float around sort of like electrons in a semiconductor you've gotta fill up all the lower energy levels so you can have some floating around in the conduction band and conduct the electricity right right. That was the first analogy. I i think these cyanobacteria are super amazing. And i love how plants basically co-opted them because you know the cyanobacteria they evolved sympathies and now when we look inside plants we see these little objects inside a plant cell that can do the same thing these chloroplast but those things are basically cyanobacteria the got co opted by the plant. The plants like eight them said. Okay come do that worked for me now. and so. This sign of bacteria should get all the credit for evolving. This incredible ability to plants just totally took it over like the managers. Or you can look at it the other way right. You could say that cyanobacteria you know kind of foreign plants around themselves to do all the hard work they just have to sit back and get a. You can look at anything two ways. I guess all right so then we had to wait until everything were was arrested before we got our third atmosphere. Yeah it wasn't until everything was rusted that the oxygen being produced by sign of bacteria and then later also by plans could just sort of hang out in the atmosphere that those levels could climb to the point where like animals could breed them. And so now we're up to the atmosphere that we have today. Which is you know. Still mostly nitrogen like seventy eight percent nitrogen but a good twenty one percent of our atmosphere is oh to wow and in utah made by bacteria and plants basically right like before like you know. We didn't get that we made. That was made by living creatures and it took a long long time right. Severe imagining like. Let's go to mars and produce enough oxygen for the atmosphere for us walk around in breed like it takes a long time. Even when you got like jillions of tiny little machines pumping oxygen into millions and millions of years took four hundred million years actually to be precise and in a way and they have ruined the planet for themselves. A little bit right or do you think they were co evolving as they were changing the atmosphere the differently co evolving cyanobacteria are still with us they still produce half of the oxygen that we have on the earth currently like half of it is made by plants and half as made by cyanobacteria. So they're still around in the oceans. Yeah and so. That's how we got our atmosphere and it's not a i mean it's a lot obviously because we have a lot to breathe but in terms of the scale the earth. It's a really small liver or small coating of air that we have on the planet. Yeah the whole earth of course is six thousand kilometers in radius the atmosphere where we consider at least the atmosphere is just like thirty or fifty kilometers high. So it's a very very thin ver near that's like a you know very thin coating of water on a billiard ball because the earth is what like ten thousand kilometers in radius or something like that sixty four hundred sixty four hundred kilometers in radius but only the last thirty kilometers our atmosphere. Yeah where exactly you say. The atmosphere end pens. Really just on where you want to say it ends. Some people say it's up to a hundred kilometers because falls off very smoothly as you go out into space. But ninety seven percent of the mass of the atmosphere like moves to the stuff in the atmosphere is within the first thirty kilometers geologist. Also claim space as geology as well. They're like you know. Just keep going. Avance here's geology. Space geology galaxy thirteen. When they say we are one with the universe they mean it literally like the universe is just of the earth we are one and that one is geology. you got below the surface and above the surface and it's just two parts to the whole university or no one big service but it's actually quite interesting. There's lots of liquor really fascinating layers to the atmosphere. Like you might imagine as you go higher up the arrogance thinner and thinner and colder and colder until you got out into space and it's like super freezing. But actually the temperature varies any gets hotter and colder and hotter and colder as you will up really depending on the composition or did you just get like pockets of stuff. He and depending on the composition are all these fascinating layers. Like as you go up you know you go above like mount everest for example things colder and colder and thinner and thinner. But then when you get to like this ozone layer things turn around and start to get hotter and you go past the stratosphere things actually start to get hotter and hotter and hotter not quite back up to like surface levels but you know getting kinda warm before they turn around again and then colder as you go through the mazo sphere and then it turns around again and he actually gets hotter and hotter as you go into space variety. Add because i guess those are the layers that are absorbing. A lot of the sunlight is what's happening. They are absorbing a lot of the sunlight and they are evaporating right. What's going to be leaving the earth. What's going to be making it out. There to the higher levels are the faster moving particles and so the earth is sort of like differentiating. we are losing our atmosphere constantly. We have a whole podcast about that and primarily. We lose the hotter. Add the faster moving ones. So while it's not very dense a lot of heat you have faster moving particles which are the ones that are escaping and so technically is hotter near the high ones that are always the first one For sure and there's also sort of like radioactive elements out there in our atmosphere to write like some pretty not say stuff out there. Yeah absolutely one percent of our atmospheres gone in like seventy percent nitrogen twenty one percent oxygen and then one percent are gone. Which sort of weird as this radio. Genyk argon forty which comes from the decay of potassium forty. And it's really interesting. Actually because mostly which have out there in the universe like made by stars is argon thirty. Six which is in a different isotope are gone. That's made in a fusion inside stars but here on earth most of the argonne in our fear is on forty which comes from this radioactive decay and it took a long time to figure out that that's where it came from and how it worked and it was a fun puzzle that was solved a few decades ago. And there's also some pretty interesting elements like crypt on and neon and methane. Atmosphere is not just like nitrogen air and oxygen. You remember that everything in our solar system came from those same basic soup of ingredient inside the son. Of course you have fusion making new heavy elements but outside of the sun. Everything is just a mixture of the same elements that went in right. We have no fusion happening on earth all the elemental crypt on or neon or hydrogen or oxygen or all the other weird stuff that we have came from fusion inside some star somewhere else. Our solar system is a population one solar system which is a third generation in our universe. So all of these atoms of oxygen and other stuff were formed inside a star billions of years ago which then blew up and led to the formation of this dust cloud which eventually became our solar system. I mean we're all a little bit companion right a little bit. Yeah all these things that were made. That were breathing. They were relying on all came from somewhere else or fused inside star somewhere. And so. that's how we got our atmosphere through a lot of paying by the earth and driving some wins in l. a. lot of bacteria making it. And that's how we got the air that we have to and thank goodness because it smells pretty good coulda smell bad. We're lucky that the earth mills good. It probably did smell bad. For long periods you know their pricing pretty stinky times. When the think assine you know teenagers they never seem to introduce them to the odorant and then things from there all right. Let's get into this interesting history of our atmosphere and what it could mean for the future of earth in people breathing in it but first let's take another quick changed the way you think about your home with home sense. The newest member of the homegoods family. They've got everything for your home inside and home sense. Lets you reimagine every room with fresh discoveries furniture you bet rugs lots of a table lamps floor lamps chandeliers. Yes yes and yes. Plus there's wall. Art oversized mirrors enough outdoor furniture and decor to make your backyard. The envy of the neighborhood. Grab the melamine dishes. You've been looking for or that six p. Outdoor set with same day delivery. You can have it today. Home sense is a new shopping adventure. Visit new fines arrive all the time. So everyday you'll find incredible savings on different must-have decor pro tip if you see something you love. Don't wait because at home sense fino fast. Get the brands. You love at prices. 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We've been working on this for a while and we're living the dream right now. Breathing the dream we are. We are and i love hearing those kinds of stories when you around and you don't really know what the history of the earth is and then you discover through various like release subtle clues awesome detective work. That things have changed that the earth used to be really really different. Because you know you're naive assumption. Is like i don't know the earth formed has always been like this is. The simplest story in science always prefers the simplest story. But it's super fun when you discover that the story is more complicated than it has twists and turns. But you can't tell that story. You gotta find the clues you've got to discover that story. Yeah because that's a big question is like how do we know all these details. I feel like that was a very detailed story of how we got our atmosphere but there was not around to measure the oxygen or to feel was happening. How do we know all of these things. Yeah we have to look for clues in the geological record and so the rock record like rocks that were formed five hundred million years ago or a billion years ago or two billion years ago how they formed and which kinds of rocks formed tell us about what atmosphere there was around because some kind of rocks can only form in the presence of oxygen and other kind of rocks can only form if there's no oxygen so as you look at the rock layer you can look back in time to get a sense for like what was going on because i guess. The rocks arcs of changing rights are turning or flipping over the sort of build up as they're growing right to that. Then that's where you get the record if you drive through the desert for example and you see canyons etc you can see these stripes in the rocks right where those drives come from. Those are layers of rock that have been laid down over millions and billions of years as you say the surface is like active stuff is coming out from underneath and then creating new layers which get laid down and then pushed down and sometimes those layers then break and get pushed back up to the surface and revealed and so we can see that history. That's why like dinosaurs are buried in the earth because we're constantly laying down new layers of rock on top of the old ones and so at super cool because it's basically like a snapshot of what was going on on the planet back in the day and you can look at those rocks and see patterns in them. Then you can get a clue as to like what was going on in the fear because all those rocks we were saying before interacted with the atmosphere. Leasing inference underdog basically like if there was a lot of an auction or not or other kinds of gases than the rocks look different. Yeah and one of the most important clues are these formations called banded iron and these are really beautiful. You should google them in. Check them out because they are basically these rocks with these thick red stripes in them. This oxidized iron stripes and that tells us a lot about win. This oxygenation event happened. When the cyanobacteria started pumping oxygen into the atmosphere because it started to bind with the iron that was out there and get weather is in make these layers and layers of basically rust inside the earth's atmosphere. So you can look back at these first earliest layers rust and pinpoint when oxygen started to be produced. That makes me think of and like a heavy metal band or something. Bad that ira i read. Rage is super cool because it's sort of like rings on a tree and because you can see these bands not just like oh oxygen turned on started be produced and then everything after that is just rusted iron. You have these bands like rusted iron and the none and then rusted iron in the none. The turned on and off on and off. You can be like. Oh look at the earth just burp tier or just past wind. What happens is that his oxygen that these bacteria produce is actually poisonous to them right. Cyanobacteria do not like a lot of oxygen so they produced a bunch of oxygen and some cases. There was a lot of iron around in the water to grab that oxygen and then sink back down to the ocean floor and form a band but sometimes a sign of bacteria would produce too much oxygen. Couldn't all get like greed in by this iron and then they would poison themselves and they kill themselves off and then there wouldn't be producing as much anymore and so there wouldn't be as much iron deposited but then the conditions were favorable again for a sign of bacteria which would they grow back and produce a huge amount of oxygen which would create another band sort of this sort of cycle effect where overproducing kill themselves and then grow back. That's kind of what's happening to us right now. I mean we are creating so much. Co two every time we we create c o two and we didn't have all these other processes to replace his the ot we would be basically poisoning ourselves right breathing ourselves out of a planet. Yeah we could have. Similar effects. Human civilization builds up and then poisons itself with c o two and then you have a calm period on the earth for a million years while you have like small bands of humanity's reviving rebuilding civilization to poison ourselves. Again i can see. Your brain is writing the scifi novel. They're a big. I read that one. But i guess maybe i question is like. How do we correlate that to time like we can see these bands in iraq. But how do we know that band took plays or was form you know three hundred million years ago or six billion years ago. How do we get that calibration of the tree. Oh yeah great question. It's like how do we know the age of any rock. And i remember the this a kid wondering like what does it even mean age of iraq you know because like lavas lava rock and melter flow. It's like asking how old water is. But when you talk about the age of iraq you're not talking about like when the chemical elements or even the elements inside the rock were formed because that happened inside a star billions of years ago. We're talking about like when this crystal was created. 'cause rocks are a solid formation of these elements rights the cooled together to form a solid object. So you can measure that age of the rock which is when did this thing and become a solid object. How long ago was this thing. Fluid when did it transition to becoming solid and you can measure that because when that happens it captures things inside of it. These crazy little crystals and crystal some of them are radioactive and they liked decay very slowly over time you can measure how many of those are and calibrate them. And that's what you do to measure the age of rocks. I see like when the rock farms they capture like a ticking clock almost inside of a carbon dating which we can use to age like things were alive in it because they have certain ratios of carbon in them. But here we're talking about things that are much much older. So use these radiometric. Dating methods based on the natural radioactive decay of things like potassium and carbon to date these ancient events nowadays tinder for dating different rocks a terrible job. So yes that's how we know. Then how the history of our atmosphere. Yeah because we can look at this record. And so that's one piece of evidence is these banded is formations and you know this is a big influence on like our civilization because detroit for example is in a location where there used to be an ocean with huge colonies. Sino bacteria depositing lots of bands of iron into like. That's why a huge fraction of the steel deposits available on earth are like near detroit. And that's why we have a car industry near detroit because of this sign of bacteria. So i love these connections from the ancient times back to like modern civilization and even politics always talk about. The rust belt. Should be talking about the cyanobacteria bill really. Nobody wants to be net political but this also lines with other pieces of evidence again. We look into the record to see what could happen with oxygen. What could happen without oxygen and their other minerals like pyrite. This thing called fool's gold which can only form when there's no oxygen in the atmosphere if his oxygen around elements that would otherwise make pirate tend to make other things instead and so you can see like oh pyrite was only created until about a certain date several billion years ago. So it's another clue an amazing also. There's a lot of theoretical kind of based on models of how earth form right for example. We can only go back so much but these methods like when you're talking about before like you know our early or first atmosphere getting blown away by the solar wind. Dad's we don't have evidence for that but you know from what we know how the planet get formed. That's probably would happen. Yeah we know the solar wind exists. We can measure the solar wind and so we can model. What would happen if we didn't have a magnetic field so yeah there's a lot of things we can do to validate those models but absolutely is modeling. Going on all over the place in all of these studies and we try to make assumptions when they were trying to find ways to check them and to validate those assumptions. Absolutely you know another thing we do. Is we think about like how life could have involved. A lot of the basic chemical building blocks of life couldn't have formed if we had oxygen in the atmosphere as life produced oxygen but in lots of cases is inhibited by the presence of oxygen. The kind of life that means you are this. Aerobic kind of relies on oxygen is fairly late showing up in the evolutionary record and so if we had had oxygen like out gas by those volcanoes not have formed life right because the earliest life like our ancestors. Were eh aerobic right. They didn't like oxygen there poisoned by oxygen and not just the life itself like the chemical building blocks a lot of those amino acids that the needed like bump together in a weird way in the primordial soup. Those couldn't have formed if there was oxygen. Oxygen is just like so excited bonds to everything. It prevents things from happening. So if we'd had oxygen around we could amid those building blocks and maybe life itself wouldn't have started sort of crazy too. It's a good thing we didn't have oxygen then but it's a good thing that we have it now. Yes exactly and is like a such a delicate balance right. We needed oxygen to not be around and then we needed these other life to exist for a while and then to produce a budge oxygen so that we could evolve. It's a crazy story right. But i guess it's all one constant evolution right. You can just ask like we wouldn't be here everything i've seen but maybe some other anaerobic beings would be here having a podcast breathing out less hot air than we are at least less Air maybe absolutely is just that articulate path relied on all of these things happen in a particular order absolutely. If things had been different. You know you could have evolved life in lots of other different ways well. I'm glad that it worked out this way. And it's good to know these things also because nudges because maybe we wanna change other planets but we may also wanna find other planets like ours have an atmosphere knowing these things might help is fine our maybe our second or fourth home. Our retirement home maybe for humanity. Yeah we are just now able to probe the atmospheres of planets around the stars by seeing how light passes through them as they block their stars and understanding. How a planet formed atmosphere and how that atmosphere evolves is really crucial to answering the question. Like is there one out there. We could land on there might be a planet out there in the habitable zone meaning. It's like warm enough to melt water on the surface but there might not be an atmosphere and not thought terribly useful because you can take millions and millions of years even if you liked plants cyanobacteria in the water on an alien planet to produce enough oxygen. So it's a really interesting question. Like how long does it take. Is it unusual on earth could happen faster on other planets. Is it already happening on other planets out there right now with primitive life producing oxygen. It's a really interesting deep question and one that might be really important for the future of humanity. Yeah you don't wanna like pack up all your things move halfway across the galaxy and then when you get there that wouldn't be good and also for our neighbors you know elon. Musk talks a lot about moving to mars. And making it a second home for humanity. But it's gonna take a long time before can walk on the surface of mars and take a deep breath and survive not to mention even. Enjoy it all right well. Can i make you grateful for the air that we have because you know this is kind of the only thing we have debris than the only place in the solar system and may be god that we know right now where we could comfortably walk around outside and breathe the air armor grateful. I'm full of it. Your full of hot air and cold air and all the errors putting them all on at the same time and burping them and other contributions through the air. All at the same time and speaking icelandic very badly into a microphone for all right. Well that's the history of our atmosphere and we hope you enjoyed that things joining us see you next time. Thanks for listening and remember that daniel and explain. The universe is production iheartradio. More podcast from iheartradio. Visit the iheartradio app apple podcasts or work every you listen to your favorite chips. If you're a small business owner growing your business is what it's all about. That is if you have the space to do it. Keep smart self. Storage has the solution with a variety of storage unit sizes helpful online resources and easy to access facilities cube. Smart self storage provides a self storage experience that puts the focus on you. Because you and your business matter most and help you grow cube. Smart is offering up to twenty five percent off your monthly rent. Say goodbye crowded inventory and hello to your business. Success story with qb smart self storage to secure smart dot com for more information at children's national hospital. 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Health Secrets of Presidents mp3

True Mysteries of the Pacific Northwest

07:22 min | 10 months ago

Health Secrets of Presidents mp3

"Welcome to kids myths and Mysteries. I'm kit crumb with all that's going on with the president's health. I thought it important to turn the show over to our social and political analysts. Iraq has a rag. What political Mysteries were you unravel for us today? Oh, good morning kid today. I'll be talking history a bit exposing how past presidents had their physical condition. We've heard an awful lot from politicians about not wanting to panic the American public. So on a social level, I'll be explaining the difference between Americans being provided information and left of our own discretion regarding making conclusions without accurate facts. Definitely be listening to today's podcast and as always take it away re bap. Great. Thank you Keith. I'd like to start with a definition of terms so that we're all on the same page. What is the difference between isolation quarantine and monitoring. Let's start with isolation. This is the most serious of actions quarantine is for people who have the exposure history, but aren't displaying symptoms and monitoring is another option for folks who have the exposure history but aren't displaying symptoms by this definition. Our president needs to be isolated why he is displaying symptoms and yes, he has been exposed. Although isolation is a bit extreme. We'll come back to this in a moment. But first, let's talk transparency and work our way to the present from the summer of 1893 President Grover Cleveland disappeared for four days. It turns out that he was on a yacht having secret surgery. It was the beginning of his second term as president and the country was headed into a depression wage. President kept his surgery for a tumor in his jaw a secret hidden under a fake mustache four years. Okay leap forward to October second. Nineteen. Ninety nine months. Now, what's the date and year the President Woodrow Wilson had a stroke but it was hidden from his own White House staff and the public for four months. Now, we'll take a giant leap forward to 1955 President Dwight D. Eisenhower was on holiday and his in-laws in Denver. He was enjoying hamburgers and raw onions something. He really liked shortly after them really suffer from a case of indigestion when it got worse. He was taken to the nearby Fitzsimmons Veterans Hospital were was announced well where it was found out he'd had a heart attack was announced that the president had an extreme case of indigestion for presidents died from natural causes while in office and for some the cause of death remains in dispute an image. For were assassinated presidents have suffered Strokes heart attacks severe gastrointestinal disease now in the case of Woodrow Wilson, he was stricken with the Spanish Flu the last great pandemic before suffering a stroke 6 months later now will jump forward to just a few days ago and the announcement by President Trump that he had tested positive for a month or nineteen that makes him the latest in a long line of presidents who have battled serious illness in office. According to the New York Times Trump has a fever congestion and a callback and will undergo tests at Walter Reed National military Medical Center where he will stay for a few days but misinformation was released almost at once the president had a fever and a cough but he did need oxygen twice. At first the question was met with Silence by the doctors, then it was discovered that he received oxygen while in the White House. Now when Walter Reed Army hospital, we can expect to be fed a line of misinformation until he walks out on his own or as put on a respirator. We'll have to wait and see now. Let's go back to the isolation quarantine and monitoring as a fax. It will answer the question of where the president will end up isolated quarantine or simply be monitored fact. Number one, the presidential at the age of 74 is at a high risk age fact. Number two. The president is overweight again putting him in an at risk category fact number three years. The president has Metabolic Syndrome again putting him at risk fact number for is a little unknown in the last fifteen months of President visited Walter Reed Army Hospital for an unknown reason. This could remind you of Grover Cleveland strip on a yacht so you might say the president has 3 and 1/2 factors and put him at risk that we suck. Public will never know what transpires within the walls of wall to read or the White House that sent the president to the hospital or his treatment at the hospital. We might at some point in the not-too-distant future learn the outcome though, but this all begs the question why the president's hide facts about their health and the public Grover Cleveland. It was political for him. He was up for re-election. The country was headed for a depression years later when it was learned of a secret surgery kind of historians said that because of the looming depression. He didn't want to public would Panic Woodrow Wilson also have political Ambitions with his League of nation proposition. Then he historians say his reason for hiding the stroke for four months wage strictly political also likes indigestion slash heart attack. He kept quiet. Well, he he was re-elected. Also that brings us to President Trump this job. Will ever know the truth about his health is already known for seating the airwaves to see some misinformation when confronted with his foreknowledge about covid-19 says, yes he knew but he didn't want to pass the public. Yes begs. Another question would the public really panic when confronted with the facts of the shammai severity of covid-19. What information is fed to the American masses? They certainly have shown that they can gear up or extrapolate on what they learned in order to ready themselves for a crisis. So I answer the question of being honest with the American people regarding potential crisis with an old saying forewarned is forearmed regarding how the president ends up based on his symptoms and options of wage there. I'd have to say isolation a quarantine for 14 days democrat or republican. No one wants to see the president back out on the campaign Trail only to suffer a relapse is dead. Could be fatal remember tune in to the Ruckus show Monday through Friday beginning Friday, October 9th, and you might want to listen to mom when I talk about what a succession of power would look like should the president truly be disabled and perhaps even the vice president. That'll be an interesting podcast for sure. I'm real Ruckus. Thank you for listening.

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The Secrets of the Self: Illusion

Daily Breath with Deepak Chopra

07:01 min | 1 year ago

The Secrets of the Self: Illusion

"Today's episode of daily breath is brought to you by Sukur nutrition for your body and your mind daily Deepak. Chopra were on a journey from year to year journey without distance secrets of the south from the book of secrets. The most common reason that people turn to spirituality is to deal with suffering R V secret of the Seth reveals the cause of suffering. What is the cause of suffering? Here it is in one word illusion the cause of oil suffering his illusion or unreality so. Let's discuss this one point. First thing I want to say is that pain. Physical pain is not the same as suffering. Physical pain is actually a very important experience. It tells us that something is wrong. So if you didn't have been in your doors and you had nowhere her seek medical advice. If you didn't have indigestion you'd never corrects the cause of the indigestion if you never experienced heartburn. You'd never know that you have acid reflux and that needs to be corrected. In fact people lose the ability to experience pain as a result of neuropathy for example. Neuropathy on your rightous which happens with diabetes for example or other diseases neurological diseases. People who do not experience physical pain their limbs atrophy. They lose their toys and they get burns and they get all kinds of problems and then they begin to suffer so pain is not the same as suffering. Pain is a useful symptom to remind you that something is wrong. And you need to correct that you need to go back to self-regulation what is suffering suffering is being that we hold onto so a pain like resentment like like anger like hostelry like the desire to get even that causes long-term suffering and then there's another kind of existential suffering the feeling of old age the fear of infirmity the fear of death. This is what spirituality addresses it addresses suffering and the pain that we hold onto the fears that we hold onto. I'm reminded of a BOOM BY RUMI. Way says the way to not suffer from the fire is to go through the fire. The only way out of the fire is going through it. And how do you go through it by getting in touch with your own self and you get in touch with their own? Self that becomes your internal reference point then you realize that it takes force of mind to create. Suffering suffering is a blend of belief and perception that the person thinks he or she has no control over. Well you have control over your suffering because you have control over over writing the illusion of the separate off the secret cause of all suffering is unreality itself the illusion that you are a physical body with the mind and that you are in this theater of space diamond causality which we call the world. None of that is true. It might be a human construct but your soul your spirit having an experience and you can choose the expenses you want now. Aw the New Year is a great time to think about ways you can be healthier south. Our friends at Sokaiya can help you eat better and feel better. Sakarov makes it easy to feel better look better and had the energy to accomplish all your goals this year? Cigar is a nutrition company that focuses on overall wellness. Starting with what you eat. Their organic ready to eat meals are made with powerful blunt based ingredients. And they're designed to boost your energy and improve your digestion. The menu of creative chef grafted breakfasts lunches and dinners changes weekly. So you'll never get bored and it's delivered fresh anywhere in the US along with delicious meals. So car also has daily wellness essentials like supplements and herbal teas to support your nutrition to boost results tried the best-selling metabolism super bowl and all natural remedy for bloating weight. Gain and fatigue. Right now Sakata is offering our listeners. Twenty percent off their first order when they go to Sikora dot com slash daily breath or enter daily bet at checkout. That's Kara S. A. R. A. DOT COM Slash daily breath to get twenty percent of your first order so Kara dot com slash daily breath. I am reminded of Prayer in the course of miracles as I'm responsible for that appeal I choose the feelings that experience and everything that seems to happen to me. I ask for and receive as I have asked to beautiful prayer practice

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Sam Harris  Psychedelics, Meditation, and The Bigger Picture (#433)

The Tim Ferriss Show

1:50:17 hr | 1 year ago

Sam Harris Psychedelics, Meditation, and The Bigger Picture (#433)

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Also doing small in-person meet UPS OFFERING EARLY ACCESS TO STARTUPS. Beta testing special deals or anything else. That's very limited. I share it with fiber Friday subscribers. So check it out Tim dot org forward slash Friday. You listen to this podcast. Very likely that you'd dig it a lot and you can of course easily subscribe any time. So easy peasy again. That's Tim dot blog forward slash Friday. And thanks for checking it out if the spirit moves you boys and girls. This is Tim. Ferriss welcome to perhaps the most impromptu tap dancing version of the Tim. Ferriss show that you will hear I have with me. My friend Sam Harris. I always enjoy speaking with SAM. We had originally planned to do a session at South by southwest that has been canceled and we have been put into circumstances that may require or encourage different topics. The plan had been meditation psychedelics and Dangerous Ideas I said to Sam before we hit record that I can probably use a fair dose of at least the first two in my life right now but SAM. We were deliberating. What to talk about. And I'll tell you an embarrassing fact secret of sorts. I have a deck of cards that I thought could be a lifeline. If need be called three which has prompts of different questions that I could ask you that. I've wanted to ask you anyway. But how should we even frame this conversation? I let me say that at this point. I'm committed to producing the worst episode of Tim. Ferriss podcast ever aired. Let's start there. I appreciate your heart your hardworking well. What's amazing as as you know I also have a podcast and Finding a obviously speaking a lot about The Corona virus and are are inept response to it and all of the all the attendant concerns. But there's just this bewildering experience of having one's core interests sidelined and even just seeming patently. Inappropriate to air. I have podcasts on several topics that I just can't drop in the current environment. Actually not because they're they're too frivolous and tone-deaf in that way but because they're either they're on yet other emergencies or or grim topics that that I can't imagine anyone wants to pay attention to now like nuclear war or the prospect of nuclear war nuclear terrorism. I mean who the hell wants to think about that right now and So yeah it and to say nothing of things like you know psychedelics. Who I don't know that you this does not seem like a moment to Do a whopping dose of mushrooms or anything else with With an invading virus Looming in every corner of the world Talk about set and setting. It's it's the wrong both. Yep Yep I agree it's still. I feel like we should just have a conversation and remind you should remind you of your tweet about Who wasn't some like you. Name the person but someone in your circle said in a we should. We should drop you know we should take. It's time to take some peyote and talk to the Pangolin right that elicited a troll tweet for me. I don't know if he saw that. Come across your radar. Wait I think it might of? What was your response? I said Just to the Pangolin. Unfortunately he's working for the bat the asshole Yep Yep it is a tricky time to track down spirit animals in the PSYCHEDELIC astral plane for sure you have to do contact tracing so. I have these cards surrounding me. I am also committed to to making the the worst episode of the Tim. Ferriss show since its inception Which would match a lot of things that are hitting their worst since inception moments but let me. Just throw a few out there or one to begin with and we'll see where that goes and you can completely veto and we can take it in a different direction. What are three things you have learned about fear? That is the question on the card. In general or in ORB based on recent events in general in your life at or current events anyway wanted to take it A couple of things one is that it is certainly necessary. You wouldn't want to be without it. You wouldn't want to have your amid delete removed and simply be insensitive to kind of the fear based initial response to stimuli or or even ideas right so it's it's a necessary part of the toolkit for obvious evolutionary reasons and as well as personal ones And and many people imagine that. If you get deep into meditation or some other spiritual practice the goal is to get rid of fear and other classically negative states of mind entirely and that's really not the way I view it so you wouldn't want to never feel it again but you want to be able to stop feeling it whenever it's no longer useful and it really is only useful for a very short period of time. I mean it's it's is a signal of salience more than anything else I mean. It's it's negatively valence te salient. But what do you mean Actually I I should say that. It's is often thought the. Migdal a really is just the fear center and doesn't do much of anything else I. It's not just that really more the the salient centers. It's when you're noticing information that really needs to be emotionally and behaviorally relevant in the moment so Your your response to scary faces. You know whatever that'd be a classic stimuli you turn the corner and you and you see somebody staring at you and they looked terrifying. Instantaneous visceral perception of threat you. You don't WanNa lose that rat. Can't imagine being a social primate however much I meditate wanting to completely lose that. But what you you you want to then be able to do is let go of at the moment. You're no longer served by seeing the world through that Lens and for so much of our fear that that You know then grades into ordinary anxiety is just not useful. You know it's just. It's not useful to have stress of that sort. Become the mood music of your life. And and which is what happens to so many of us. It's happening to you. Millions and millions of us in this moment around this pandemic so I mean the first thing I guess I guess there are two things there the the first thing that you you you still want this has not. This is a gift. This is not a curse but it becomes a curse the moment. You can't actually let go of it. You know more or less on demand and you WANNA be able to do that. I'm so that's certainly things and the third thing the third thing I would ask that you actually can do that. I mean it's not you know. Mindfulness is the the method by which you would do that and So there's a pass to being able to do that more and more and more and more quickly. Can you think of a moment for you or situation in which you were experiencing acute anxiety or fear and used mindfulness as an intervention? Can you describe it if so oh yeah it happens? A lot is happening a lot in this circumstance. I guess I'm the one I remember. Very clearly was sort of the the beginning of my taking the The covert problem seriously and I forget one. This was the end of February at some point. somewhere in February twenty fifth or so and I had ordered an IPAD Some weeks before when I was when I was truly oblivious to what was going on and it finally came and I am again at this point. I'm thinking thoughts like wait a minute. How long does the virus live on a surface? I see this thing you know freshly minted in Shanghai and sent to me. After they've clamp down on the the Wuhan Problem You know I don't. I don't know what the the likelihood is now. Opening a box of virus. But you know I've decided to open it after letting it sit for some days so I'm opening this box and I realized that I'm going to double minded about it and in some ways just kind of in bad faith with the whole project on the one hand. I'm taking precautions. I'm wearing you know gloves but I'm not wearing a mask. I'm opening a carefully I've got I've decided to just wipe this ipad down with alcohol wipes so on some level treating it like medical waste but on another level I recognize. Wait a minute I am not doing this even remotely the way. I would do it if I knew. There was corona virus in this box right on so on some level. I'm kind of going through the motions and I'm assuming that this is fine and then I'm actually being crazy and this is kind of a pantomime of preparedness as opposed to the real thing and it is the experience of almost being double minded. Like the like. The Person Who's opening the box is not the whole person. And there's there's another part of me looking on saying You're not really doing this correctly. And as witnessed by the fact that I'm standing in the middle of my living room and my kids are like fifteen feet away and it just like I just you know flash. I recognized okay. You're doing all of this. You've got the alcohol wipes you got the gloves on your acting like someone who thinks he's overreacting right. You're kind of your again in bad faith. You're not you're not actually unified As behavioral system and at that moment I just got flooded with anxiety over this whole kind of the scope of the whole crisis like how difficult it had been for me to convince myself that the problem was worth responding to all the people. I'm in dialogue with in my family personally and in my social circle and then just in the public the public conversation that was was starting around it and I just realized how difficult it going to be to change my own behavior and for everyone else around us to change our behavior in a way that was actually gonna be effective and but at that moment it just goes very punk tate experience of it just like you know just cortisol which was like. Oh Fuck you you just you do not have your shit together at all right. You're in the middle of your living room opening a box of virus. You you think so And you've but you haven't done you know it's like again like fifteen feet away from me at this point and So I felt like a complete. Fuck up And but it was at that moment where I thought okay I am actually still pretty early I I took you know a kind of you know. I don't know how to quantify the risk but like okay wake up and actually get your game together here and at that moment you know from that moment onward the the anxiety is no longer useful right the to to be stressed out. Once I've got the message has been delivered. It's one hundred percent delivered and the the only time it's useful as any kind of holding pattern for me is when they're still significant uncertainty about what to do so when you're at the border between what you know you're doing and what you don't understand and and you're trying to figure out what you should do you can't figure out what your policy is. Then anxiety is the thing that's going to get you to keep focusing and figure it out but once you figure it out once you realize okay and you open the boxes outside. You wear gloves you let them sit for. However many days you've decided to let them sit he wipe things down that can be wiped down there. There's no reason to be adrenaline is at all doing any of that stuff. As long as you know what you're doing right and so that's and again. Mindfulness is really the method by which you can let go of it because you you you notice thoughts you notice this peripheral physiology of of just the felt sense of being anxious and he knows the connection between those things once you once you just let the thoughts go and just become willing to just feel the raw sensations of anxiety. The sensations lose their their psychological import. Ms Just again just feels like you know indigestion or itching or pain in the knee or anything else. That has no real meaning. It's just just sensation and degrades over half life of of really seconds. I mean he does not stay around long so anyway. That's I mean that's the experience I remember you know obviously have been many like that but You know it's useful for a few seconds and it's necessary for a few seconds but then beyond that you're just resurrecting it by what you're doing with your mind in the next moment. I find your APP. And I've said this before waking up very useful for training for this and in a number of the meditations which are based in the introductory course sequenced a logical progression as sort of building progression. Much like you might hope to learn a language starting with the basic building blocks and working your way up. There's a there's a phrase that you use in a number of them with the snap of fingers which is just drop it right and not not viewing that as a hill to climb not viewing that as something that requires a tremendous amount of conscious effort with something that can happen in an instant win. You're opening this box. I'm glad you said IPAD wondering if is just a box of bats or something might as well have been gotTa Cook those at a minimum of four hundred degrees and then is there something you say to yourself in that moment to try to defuse the no longer useful anxiety. Is there anything that you point your attention towards or is it just a reflexive act of of mindfulness much like someone like Jaakko can reassemble? God knows how many weapons in the dark being woken up A half hour early so at four. Am how long does it take to clean and reassemble the gun of mindfulness right yet? You so I mean. There's there are reflections and concepts you peanut pieces of language. That can be useful. I don't at this point tend to carry many of those around. I might spontaneously think something that is useful in a bit of self talk but generally speaking I. It really is just watching. The present thought kind of unravel moment. I notice I'm thinking without noticing a thought itself as an appearance in consciousness momentos I identified with in this case anxious thought Then I I can see the the the thought itself unwind in this larger condition which is just you know a wariness and so I it is a kind of non conceptual immediate pivot to that or or it's just income recognizing the circumstance from that point of view that happens. It happens whenever it happens You know and there's there's nothing on some level it's not even when I say one can do this on demand On one level that's true but the experience of actually doing it is is not really the experience of control is really just the experience of of spontaneously recognizing what's actually already true of your mind and you and you. Can't you know you remember when you remember? When when do you on some level? There's no accounting for for why that moment dawn's then and not a moment before a moment later but it's just a moment. I noticed. Oh Okay I'm you know that's a thought Then the whole process starts without you know without me having to really get behind myself and push in some way. But it's it's totally useful to think certain thoughts as a kind of antidote. I mean there are people who have developed whole methods around that kind of a stylized reflection I think you did you have your have Byron. Katie on your podcast. I haven't I should. I've spent some time with her but I haven't had her on the podcast. I do find a lot of value in her framework. A series of questions and prompts. And so on that. She uses yet. I don't know what I don't know why I thought I'd heard you speak with her at some point but Yeah I mean she hasn't been on my podcast either but I've met her and Never spend much time with her work but I know she. She does work this way. We're show you should ask questions like how do you know that's true which just throws everything back on this this basic fact that in in most cases the thing we're worrying about hasn't happened right as it's still hypothetical and we're worrying about it as though you know the hangman's noose has already around our necks and you know this is this is a fair complete? And there's there's nothing we can do about it and you know if you actually focus on the present you know there really is just whatever's given their and your thoughts about the past and the future and you know that does expose a You know interesting fact. Which is either you can do something about the problem. You're worried about or you can't and in neither case is your stressing out about it really warranted. I mean if you can do something about it within just do something about it you know. Solve the problem. And if you can't do anything about it well then you know why. Suffer twice right Amir. You're suffering now before the thing arrives. And then you're gonNA suffer when it arrives in on some level you can decide that just in a with even if something really is a fait accompli. I mean even even if some bad thing is going to happen and there's no way of avoiding it I mean one. We also know that we're we're very bad prognosticators about our future state of happiness and misery right so we we tend to totally exaggerate. How how much? We're going to be shifted with respect to our moment to moment wellbeing. We overestimate how positive. Something's going to be and we overestimate how negative something's going to be. And as we know from a lot of psychology and behavioral economics people return to Baseline Fairly quickly even from extraordinarily bad and good things happening to them. and Most of the time spent you know worrying about even objectively bad. Things is is is still fairly delusional. I mean we're just not actually mapping the future the future that will in fact her arrive at some point. Sim- I'm just curious to know seen the last it's arbitrary last few months last year. What have you changed your mind on? What positions have you modified a reverse? What insights if you had that have sort of rendered past beliefs perhaps outdated? What have you changed your mind on in the last few months were year that come to mind that are really it could be anything material or other ones What I feel like under the the pressure of this pandemic. Many things are shifting for me. I think it's probably happening for for most people. But I'm not actually consciously scoring all the changes as they're happening but I'm noticing shift in my orientation and maybe I would shift back but for instance as you know. I've spent a lot of time. Criticizing what I perceived to be bad ideas and even criticizing the people who I perceived to be purveyors of bad ideas and so Y- in in political space. You know I can get into some fairly heated arguments with people and with the possible exception of President. Trump. I've pulled back from I would the the actual you know with the noted exception of President. Trump. I've pulled back from that got Just because it strikes me as as really counterproductive. So there are people who are are saying some truly idiotic things about corona virus and insofar as I've engaged them in public. I've tried to be you know. Fairly amazed is a fairly light touch. And then you know. I've done a lot of private of attempted several private exorcisms You know because I haven't wanted to go after these people in public and get them to just dig in be based on their own. You know egos or concerns about not being shown to be wrong or whatever. It is And I must say that. The results are are impressively mixed. I mean I'm not I. I've become less and less hopeful that even fairly smart people are open to to rational argument even when it would would serve their interests and everyone else's interest. It's the communication failures around this or are pretty spectacular and one thing I've changed my mind about at least provisionally. I would love to be proven wrong here but just as a matter of of being able to achieve some kind of political consensus around large problems. I've become far less hopeful than I was when I think about the prospect of convincing people about climate change and then the need to respond to it When I when I map on our our our failure to respond to corona virus With the Alacrity that was required When I when I map that onto the problem of climate change you know something that is so abstract you know even in you know with one hot year following another even with one. Superstorm following the next When you can't really attribute any one change in the weather to this you know concern about climate and It's in general. Say Slow moving catastrophe about which there is still some some significant difference of opinion even among scientists. Not Enough to discount the problem. But you know certainly more than around the epidemiology of Corona virus right and yet. We can't even get on the same page around this I it. It makes me think that the solution for for climate change has to be surreptitious. This point like this. There is no political solution. We we actually simply have to design new products and and source of energy that people find more desirable. And you know we just like Tesla cars. Being the perfect example like a certain point people just people just need to want electric cars more than they want gasoline cars for reasons that have nothing to do with climate. Just because they're better cars and we have to innovate on dozens of fronts in that way and just do whatever we need to do to mitigate the problem despite the fact that we can't persuade anyone that is even a problem because I the the persuasion problem now just strikes me as as in super bowl so I mean. That's kind of a a very pessimistic. Epiphany I feel like I've had but I just cannot believe how hard it is to talk to even very smart people about what's happening with corona virus. Yeah it's it's it can be very disheartening. And not to say that I am right or accurate and all things related to krona virus but certainly was have faced a fair amount of flack for speaking publicly about it which is totally fine. People have a right to disagree and I suppose if I'm trying to look at these silver lining in our inability to communicate the Strange way to put it is that perhaps our inability to solve one problem like a pandemic will In some ways help us to address really slowdown man's contribution to climate change because it'll just paralyze and factories and lenny different large scale forms of carbon carbon contribution to the atmosphere. There is that is definitely improving our air quality for the moment. Anything else that comes to mind that That you've Ended perhaps another frame. It would be anything that you've been particularly surprised to learn who were excited to learn about in the last year. Well this is something that we you and I've talked about I. I don't think in in public. I mean this actually would have been a thing. We would have spoken about at south by South West But having psychedelics come back into my life after what was was definitely more than a twenty five year hiatus it was at least twenty five years. I think you're approaching thirty. Since I took up a whopping dose of of anything and I really wasn't really on my radar to do again I forget what the proximate cause certainly your own. Recent adventures in that area were part of it. Just it's it's getting it's in the air for. It's been in the air for for many people in recent years but And I guess just the fact that it's now a topic of of Very promising research again Significantly inspired by by your commitment to it Excellent You you have an excellent podcast interview on your podcast with rolling grips also year of Johns Hopkins where he talked about Crocodile Rape Among raped by crocodile. I believe the the often unacknowledged threat of being raped by a crocodile. Happily of escape that. But I I have not done. Emt that's one thing. I haven't tried But NATO I managed to convince myself to do mushrooms. A large larger dose larger. A larger dose of mushrooms have ever done in the last year and and again it had been Over twenty five years since I had done anything significant. I hadn't done a lot of mushrooms when I was when when I was doing psychedelics and I had done done them several times but never at a very significant does and never you know blindfolded the way Or in the dark the way Terence McKenna always Recommended and I've was a distant Fan of terraces for a while. He was alive. I actually met him once very briefly. didn't actually know him but So I kind of I view that as a missed opportunity because he really had a a beautiful mind and And I've listened to you. Know a ton of his stuff and and he's just perhaps the most entertaining speaker we've ever had on on any topic But I should say that. Probably half of what he said was fairly crazy or at least half of what have you know? The views to which he was strongly committed I consider to be fairly crazy and some some disproven. Yeah very very entertaining. Absolutely I mean a great. He's a great example of you know no almost not even mattering whether someone's right because they're just they're such a good speaker but And he and he just Again I didn't know him. I just met him once briefly In one thousand nine hundred two. He died in two thousand. So I I certainly could have Hung out with them and just just didn't and But that was a period where I was. I was getting really into meditation and also was taking psychedelics but usually LSD. And but then I just stopped. Because Y- Meditation became the center of the Bull's eye for me And it still is but after that many years I just felt like there was something I wanted to experience in the psychedelic space and I recognize that had never taken mushrooms in the way that the parents And others had always recommended and so I just wanted to experience that so it was. I was surprised to decide. It was suddenly relevant to do that. And then cut a surprise to do it and and also You know very happy to have the experience I had and and find it to be as useful as I as I found it to be so it was kind of just a kind of Riemann out of the pipes of my mind that seemed very useful and I think I will certainly do that periodically and I. I think it's you know I didn't come away from that experience. Feeling like okay. I never need to do that again. That was I'm done it. It really did seem like a by no means the same thing as meditation. Sir can be easily harmonized with it. But it's just not it's just a different project on on some level because in terms of transcending yourself getting rid of this this illusion of being the subject you know are being the the the the vulnerable in a little man riding the horse of consciousness you can do that without any of the pyrotechnics of the psychedelic experience and conversely. I'm convinced you. You can have a fairly transcendent. You know beautiful transcendently beautiful or or heroin. Depending psychedelic experience without losing the sense of self. You know or at least you know it's not the experience isn't characterized much by by a true transcendence of self is just to your your perception is is vastly altered and your your conceptual framework has vastly altered. But you're still a subject now either enjoying or suffering the consequences of having your your nervous system you know driven from below by by the pharmacology So it's it is different and again there's no. There's no contradiction between them. But anyway I just I came away feeling like yeah. But you kind of interest renewed my interest and commitment to it but It's hard to imagine doing it in the current environment. I must say it's like so much that is now being held in advance by the This lack of Normalcy I mean I. It's just I find it. Very difficult to even articulate what seems to have happened here on some level my day to day. Experience is changed very little. You Know I. I you know very lucky someone who you know could I can basically do all the work. I was doing precisely as I was doing. It and be essentially quarantined right. I mean I you know I was working from home anyway. My team is completely distributed so there was nothing to change there in a all my work with them as has always been in slack and on the phone and by email and so it's like nothing has changed and all have to do is release podcasts and finish a book and it just all. Nothing's changed but yet on some level everything has changed and I feel like we're you know I feel like I'm in a spaceship. Where at any moment? The breach in the wall can be catastrophic And it's It's it's a very bizarre feeling which I know everyone is is sharing to one another degree question about your psychedelic experience Actually several the first is related to a five minute or so maybe slightly longer five to ten minute afterward that you appended to the role in Griffith's conversation on your podcast which was a description of your five gram dried mushroom experience. Which I thought was absolutely beautiful. Is that available or do you have any plans to make available outside the APP Yeah I think actually we are just. It's either on Youtube now or it's going to be released with them some video back into it. I say like a you know something like you know. A great cloud photography or something. But there's something you know. It was just an audio track. But we're we've illustrated was some video and then that should be released very soon if it's not already out great What would people search to find that What might be search. I'm sure it'll be on my youtube channel and it'll be something. I'm sure mushroom triple be in the title. Sam's excellent journey. Not Sam not the salmon not say Sam and Sam's excellent journey. If you guys want the crocodile rape details you're GONNA have to listen to the Roland. Griffiths conversation. The the the The second question was related to carryover effects if any that you have observed After recording that description of your experience. Did you see any persistent changes to your perception behavior or anything else not necessarily permanent but persistent for a period of time? Whether days or or weeks did you observe anything like that. Yeah it's And this has always been true of my experience with psychedelics. And you know unfortunately it has gone in both directions so so when I had you know back in the day when I had some very unpleasant acid trips which you know finally convince me that you're taking acid was essentially just like a a spin of the psychological roulette wheel that you just you just don't know what numbers going to come up and at that point the negative side was coming up enough that I talk. This religious isn't worth it and especially not worth it because I felt that the the knock on effects of having that experience for ten or twelve hours lasted for weeks and even months like I just felt like when I have a good trip which is to say. You know truly expansive Beautiful trip You know the the after effects of that were in the same register you know. I felt more expanded and and and with a greater purchase on a heightened sense of beauty And that would last for for quite some time. But you know. Conversely the the kind of contracted neurotic she kinda. Shame encumbered space. Would that would. Experience in a bad trip would also leave some residue for some period of time so I felt like a worse person for for weeks or even months after some of those trips And so that's why I kinda got out of the game you know this trip. was almost entirely positive So yeah as a kind of emotional and perceptual reference. Point Yeah I felt a I felt better in in many ways afterwards and I think I probably still do again. It's not it's not permanent. In the sense that is not that it has blocked every other state of consciousness from arising thereafter. I'm you know after that trip. Which now is you know several months. Old I've experienced anxiety if experienced fear of experience anger experience. You know every everything still on the menu but as a reference point it has stayed pretty vivid. So it's just easier to yourself that like when you've had an experience like that and this is this really is the the the reason to take psychedelics. Even if you are convinced that they're unnecessary and that they are neither necessary nor sufficient right so that they're their Maybe even if you're convinced that meditation is the only way to really transform your mind in the way that you want to the thing about psychedelics. Is that it can give you a an and as you know each in different ways they can give you an experience of states of consciousness which for which there is no possibility of skepticism as a meditative for the longest time. I mean for really for forever and so that you can torpedo the whole project. You can remain fundamentally uncertain as to whether or not there's a there there you know it's like like is this really gonNa work is a really something to notice here is there. Amin does life ever really get any better than it's been in the last five minutes you know is is there anything to realize or maybe? I'm just fooling myself right like all of that you can. You can cycle in that space of doubt For for years and years and and get absolutely nowhere but five grams of mushrooms. If nothing else prove to you that it is possible to have just unrecognisably different experience of consciousness. And you know that that's available given the requisite stimulus right and and you know you're the drug doesn't get your brain to do something that your brain isn't capable of doing right. It's not like it's not like you've been given a different brain the same serotonin system that is being leveraged by psychedelics. Is Always there working for you. And it gets leveraged in in every moment or or not based on how you use your attention and based on the kinds of you know you're the collisions you have in the world and everything you're doing neuro physiologically and it is It's just absolutely possible to have a very different moment. To moment experience of the world. And and most of us I consider myself among the the untalented people who really probably would just would not have seen the merits of meditation. But for the fact that I had had a psychedelic experience in that case with MD AMA which proved me. That there had to be there there that you know the people you know in the various contemporary traditions who are talking about things. Like unconditional love. They weren't they weren't making this up. They weren't epilepsy or frauds You know these this there is a this is a real continuum of human consciousness. That is there to be explored. And you just have to figure out how to make your mind adequate to that project And psychedelics definitely reveal that it is just incredible how different the experiences can be on different compounds. Even though they may fall or be thought of as falling into the same category of psychedelics to take two which often thought of as as close cousins and on some level they are similar but You take say LSD which is from a receptor standpoint quite promiscuous with the duration of effect. That you that you mentioned which can be really long right eight hours. Which on one hand. It's tempting to say. Well that's Earth Time. It doesn't really matter Just like when people say oh. I'M GOING TO DM TB. Seles five to fifteen minutes. I don't think that's the proper way to frame the decision or think about it because that that could feel like a thousand lifetime strung together in terms of your your subjective experience of those fifteen minutes but nonetheless say just in terms of duration of effect and then you look at say Mushrooms. Four to six hours. Generally there are different species of course and all sorts of variables. What's what I find? And what many people find difficult about LSD? There are there are a few things number one. It is so potent on a microgram level that it is easy to miss dose and the difference between a hundred micrograms in two hundred. Micrograms is hard to overstate how those two experiences can be and that is a drop in less than a drop depending on how it's being administered And then the I think what makes for many people and I'd be curious to hear your perspective on this but mushroom somewhat easier to navigate. Is that the on ramp in the off ramp. The on ramp is a little longer Generally than than LSD. So the the full onset and peak effects feeling at the pharmacokinetics but the ramp is generally foremost faster than a LSD in the sense that Lsd you might have and many people do have the experience of being fully journeying in some transcendent psychedelic experience. Dissolution OF THE SELF ETC. Four four to five years and then there is this tale of an additional two to four hours and there are a fair number of people who will have twenty four hour plus experiences. I don't know who knows what the exact percentage of the population is but Having volunteered at Zenda which is psychedelic. Harm Reduction volunteer outfit at places like burning man and so on. Let's call it one. In thirty people would be my estimate. Have a twenty four hour plus response. But let's just go with the majority. You have this tail end of Tuta six hours where you are not sober. You're absolutely not sober. You're still very malleable. And everything's is intensified but you are not journeying and so I I find that that in between space can be quite challenging to navigate. Because you're know for a lot of folks that they've taken the eye mask off maybe the music's playing me trying to crackers with their friends and then they have this huge surge of shame or other intense emotion but intellectually. They think that they are in control so to speak. And that that can cause all sorts of difficulties that can persist as as you mentioned You know when you're when you're eating a cracker with both hands that's a telltale sign that you're you're you're not yet control if you're holding your triscuit with more than more than eight eight fingers. It's probably a sign that you're not fully over yet. Was you know this this gets to an issue of of On some level a those that's too small runs a liability that that is You know on some level even greater than it does that too large released. This way. I've I've begun to think about it based on my experience is just the I should say the for for psychedelics. Like suicide been a mushrooms and Lsd You're nowhere near a a lethal dose of the compound at any dose. Here you're liable to take even the most aggressive and you know psychologically destabilizing. Does you know physiologically is not likely to be toxic for you. So that's not an argument for taking it as much as you can get your hands on just that these are physically very safe drugs And I I would definitely not say that of MD. I'M AN MD. Ama You can clearly overdose on but usually. Yeah you clearly die hyperthermia. I've seen people in the same volunteer capacity at different events. Hundred four hundred five degree temperatures. Which is how melt your brain and Condi- certainly up. I begin or Ibobi also can have some severe cardiac complications and people do die of cardiac arrests using I began bogus. So you really have to know your compound suicide been and Lsd have effectively no known L. D. fifty meaning `a doses. That would be expected to kill save. Five hundred thousand people in a room if they were given that dose which can be established for lots of things including some common drugs Acetaminophen which can be very dangerous so wrote so. Yeah so it's not an again. I'm sure people have had heart attacks and strokes and other You even if fatal events on LSD or Silla Simon and maybe as a consequence of of what's happening for them psychologically being part of that but It's just the we just know that the the drugs themselves are physically very well tolerated. And so you know that so. That's not the concern Now I've forgotten how why got into that The let's see talking about the duration of these to all right. Okay so sorry. We're talking about triscuits. Eating it with ten fingers indicative of not being sober so the reason so the reason to take more rather than less for me Or the reason why Interest kind of imagining. You're just GONNA get your toe in the water leave. Aside microdosing has his own thing. I'm I'm not talking about that but like the reason why maybe Five grams of mushrooms could be better than two grams of mushrooms. for somebody is that You can you can do the arithmetic for LSD. There's that taking enough reliably launches. You passed all of your personal psychological. Content ran the place. I don't like to be in the place. I don't recommend people spending much. Time is in the domain of one's personal concerns life concerns in the kinds of thoughts that besieged you when you're when you sit down to meditate to get to stay on that strata of your mind with with this turbo charged experience of Silla Simon. Lsd driving you there You that for the most part. You obviously can have personal insights and you. Can you can have breakthroughs with respect to your relationship To other people you know I know that's the case but generally speaking. It is a a recipe for a lot of seemingly very personal anguish. Which you can. You can actually bypass if you if you go far enough out. And then you and and and have a a truly transcendent experience at least he transcended in the sense that you are which you're in contact with dozen have a reference point in your in your life right you're not thinking about your mom or your wife or your be like for you on the way out you might be and on the way back you might be but where you land. When you know you're actually at the peak is a place that doesn't have those kinds of reference points and again it can be very very beautiful or it can be very very painful incident. It's not doesn't guarantee a quote good trip But it's I mean that for me. That's the real opportunity of of true psychedelics. Unlike something like md where to be working on your relationships and to be thinking about specific people in your life or even relating directly to them You know that that is a seems like much a totally appropriate use of that tool. I I agree. I think is is better. Described as an pathogen. Your then a psychedelic. I don't think it is a psychedelic at all There's there's some dispute over how to apply that term to different things but I would I would add to what you said that. that The the analogy. I use metaphor quite a lot when discussing this with people is that of airplane taxiing takeoff and the experience of popping through the clouds. So you have this taxiing period. You're waiting you're waiting you. This acceleration takeoff a slight amount of turbulence. And then very often as you go through cloud cover you. Have even more turbulence and then you pop through the clouds and you have hopefully a smooth ride or at least a ride from a very very very different vantage point and to your point about dosage. If we're talking about say mushrooms one of the psychological risks of under dosing and which is quite common because people are understandably nervous and very often. This is done in settings where people do not have a sitter which I always recommend against it meaning if someone doesn't have sitter. They're likely to want to dose more conservatively and so often take something. Let's just say in the one to two gram range and end up stuck in the clouds in turbulence and they never quite pop above the clouds into a trans personal or even if they still have the identification of I the what constitutes is changes right in the second experience you can have complete ego dissolution you can have complete what I would perhaps called. Disassembly at higher doses. Where your your experience does not resemble your ordinary waking reality in any sense whatsoever. Time DIMENSION LANGUAGE ALL DISAPPEAR. I disappears etc but ratcheting that down. You can have the experience of I. Tim Am experiencing these various things. But what constitutes I and the boundaries that normally exist in your waking life that separate you cleanly from the external world are very permeable very different and The related point with say. Lsd is that on the descent instead of just going straight through the clouds. You sort of hang out in the clouds or can for pretty extended period of time. And and that is where you can come out of a beautiful transcendent experience and this is not by the way a knock on. Lsd Kasit tremendously interesting tool for the right people with the right supervision but There is a tailend where many people perceive their journey to be over where very messy personal material can come up with strong emotional charge and they're simply not. They've taken their seat belt often. They're going to get their luggage out of the overhead compartment and they're still in the clouds it just don't realize it you know so it's these things are very very strong. They're very can be very powerful. So I always advise caution that these things What we even even in the best case when you're talking about the the comedown From let's say LSD. Let's say you've had a a perfectly expansive beautiful the transcendent trip. And then you're coming down You know what I remember from those experiences and and probably the first ten acid trips I took were literally had not a single moment where I could even understand what was meant by the concept of a bad trip. I remember being the guy who was thinking. What are people talking about a bad tr- there was? Where would you point your finger to you know? In which direction could you possibly go in that experience to wind up someplace bad images made no sense to me and then then on some subsequent trip made too much sense? It's less exactly talk about Hubris but anyway but even from these trips I remember coming down. The experience was one of feeling my mind. Encumbered by the very artifices and structures and diversions of attention Concerns psychological concerns on some level that Baloch the the expanse of experience. I just had right so you know you you come down you like one moment you feel like Jesus and the next moment you begin to notice the reasons neither kind of rapidly accruing reasons why you're not quite qualified to be Jesus and and and if you're in relationship to people mean if you're actually having a conversation with someone who you were just tripping with say That begins all that begins to to fall into place in dialogue with others. Emmy and and you notice your neurosis or at least your potential for neurosis could kind of get reconstructed in front of you And as you moment by moment and that I remember that being painful of just a witness kind of the capture of my attention in something that in moments before would have been on thinkable fright and Go from Jesus to Woody Allen and your head sixty seconds. We've got bad hair in either case you know I just. I just envy anyone with hair. There's no bad her. Yeah I I hope at some point a minute this this would be quite a distance in the future. I would imagine that we will actually have scientific studies looking at the combination of these compounds for instance using MD AMA or other in pathogens. That are quite a few that could be used as an on ramp for say. Lsd therapy or suicide. Simon and combination therapy that that I think could be very very interesting We don't we don't yet have the data we need and want for these compounds in isolation so I think that's a fair distance in the future but I look forward to the day when more of that can be done one thing. I'm looking forward to which I mentioned. At the end of this this addendum that at the end of the podcast with with Roland There was that one study done combining a meditation retreat with a High Dose Silla. Simon experience and that for me seems like a great marriage. I mean just to prepare people over the course of a couple of days with mindfulness practice. And you know I'm sure there's there's some way to to optimize protocol. It wouldn't just be straight silence. I mean there. There might be some Reno reflection about what what's coming and then some integration period but just actually Systematize a retreat like approach to doing a a high dose psychedelic experience. That seems Very promising people doing it. What are you guys? Because I'm just imagining did a salary at spirit rock and there were two hundred people sitting this meditation hall and I was just thinking if you had two hundred people. Doing a high dose psychedelic journey in one room. It would be anything but a silent or it's a very crowded retrieve it might not have been two hundred but I would say at least at least eighty somewhere between one hundred. I think it's about one hundred up there Yes I it's how you physically how you arrange the environment and how you keep people in their own space and give them adequate guidance and all of that. I don't know how that's brought off. I know there there are places that are doing it. There's one in Jamaica. There was one in Holland. I mean the bunch of these places and this one in Mexico a bunch got in touch with me after this podcast. As far as I can tell in. Non Or really as as Lockdown in their their protocols So did they didn't seem like places I could. I could recommend based on what I could see what they're doing. No facebook ads with your face for psychedelics types. They may someone may have produced some. But they're not they're not authorized. So let me know one one comment. I want to add As it relates to difficult psychedelic experiences. More PSYCHEDELIC EXPERIENCE OVERALL. Is there is a common pattern? Among first time or relatively novice users of psychedelics to develop somewhat of a Messiah Complex after they've seen the promised land and they have one experience or two experiences very often. It's after one they have this profound transformative experience and they become a proselytizer for psychedelic. Use and grandma you need to do Iowa and a little little johnny nephew Johnny. You need to do Iowa Scott Cetera. Which is at best irresponsible. And also very very dangerous. And so my recommendation to people who are experimenting with psychedelics. Or considering it number one the legal side effects can be just as great as any other side effects. So I'm not advising Norris and that you break the law secondly if nonetheless you're going to experiment I would ask that you put enough mileage under your belt to at least once be as I sometimes say to my friends Tumbled and humbled before you are given your card carrying capabilities of proselytizing psychedelics. It's my strong feeling. You need to have not what I would consider a bad trip because I only distinguish between safe and unsafe trips. Not Good and bad. I think some of the most valuable experiences you can have are exceptionally difficult psychedelic experiences in exceptionally safe circumstances. But if if you're simply getting the sort of UNICORNS pissing rainbows version of PSYCHEDELIC EXPERIENCE. And those are your first three or four innings. Keep going possibly safely obviously in till you have a harrowing Holy Fucking Shit Experience. It takes you a while to digest and process before you run around like the town crier telling everyone that she do. Second Alex Yeah I. I think that's good advice because you. There's no way to appreciate how difficult a quote bad trip can be unless you've had one right and if you and in fact if you've only had good trips he really you're almost the worst judge of what is possible for somebody else The free for yourself at some future time point so Yeah I mean that was I I was actually one of those people in a back in the day when I I I was taking psychedelics. The first time around before I was kind of in this. In this weird cohort because I was in my peer group. I was kind of the only person doing what I was doing. I mean I when I when I would go on a meditation retreat when I was twenty or twenty. One there were there. Were no other twenty and twenty one year olds on these retreats. I mean everyone was. Everyone has kind of been through the sixties and and you know so as I was surrounded by forty and fifty year olds. Who were? Who'd been doing this stuff for twenty years or so and And so it was with psychedelics. So so when I got my hands on. Md would it come out of you know extra say it? Come out of the therapeutic community right after a couple of years after it was made schedule one and but I I didn't know anyone I mean perhaps there were many people my age taking it but I just wasn't aware of it. I didn't know anyone who had taken it. So when I got my hands on psychedelics and meditation and the the the combination of all of these esoteric things and kind of rebooted the sixties for myself. I was your your private revival exactly. I was a one man. I wasn't one man. Grateful dead tour without ever getting into the dead but I would just was not meeting. I there was no one in my world. Who who knew anything about any of this stuff? So yeah I was kind of proselytizing. And you know a guided Many people on on Psychedelic TRIPS. You know but just just brand myself somebody who is qualified to do this after. I don't know half a dozen acid trips and nothing. Nothing especially bad happened But you know obviously I was. I didn't have the the experience that one would want to have to actually be doing that. And yeah it's It's a little bit like what happened to me when I when I got into Brazilian Jujitsu the moment I got into that. It was like every every conversation had to be about Brazilian Jujitsu that lasted until I got injured. And now I know I have a slightly different conversation about Brazilian. You should really really try it. Oh wait oh I didn't tell you last week. Both of my torn asterisk the yeah. It's psychedelics are still endlessly fascinating to me They do not they have not in any way lost their fascination for me what about in the current environment and can you imagine tripping now or is it just like well at the at the wrong set and setting well at the at the risk of being really negligent or responsible. I I will say that I cannot say with. I'm GonNa word this like a lawyer. Would I cannot be one hundred percent confident that there would be no value in Safe and responsible use of psychedelics. During these times in part because these times are not going to be. This is not a two week. This is not a ninety minute movie that we're watching. This is going to be an extended period of time and I think there could be applications for people who have a lot of experience. I don't think this is necessarily the time to decide. You're going to find some homebrew instructions for plus ingredients on the dark web and do a solo journey into the dark night of the soul. I don't think that's a good idea by any stretch of the imagination But for people with a lot of experience I I do think there could be applications. They're probably more applications for something like MD may which allows you to process a lot while not deactivating but down regulating fear response if that makes sense Part of the reason and I'm I'm not giving a neuro chemical or pharmacological explanation here but md may can be incredibly effective for treating post traumatic stress. Disorder I mean. Some of the results are unbelievable. I mean if you look at the studies maps has been designing and funding and implementing. In some cases. You have patients with seventeen years. Median seventeen years or seventeen and a half years. I think this is from their face to trials persistent. Ptsd severe symptoms. Who after one or two sessions with? Md May granted plus lots of integration and prep in post work With a very highly trained generally highly trained therapists who go from severe today symptomatic after one or two sessions now that raises many questions and one is. How can that possibly work and I'm going to. I'm sure bastardize this and She probably have Rick Dublin on the Some pointed actually fact check and correct me on things but I feel like I know what they're doing pretty well and Subjectively I would say also from my experience that India may in certain compounds like it allow you to revisit trauma or examen trauma whether lower case t or capital t from a somewhat detached observer perspective as an adult. So you can re contextualising process that trauma without re traumatizing yourself. And that's not always the case and and I should also say that Md May perhaps more so than psychedelics is thought to be a love drug where it's always running through fields and head each other flowers and that is not the case. People can have tremendously difficult experiences. That require a lot of triage afterwards. And I've seen a lot of video footage of actual sessions within the context of training and people can have very tough time. This this can also open up. Pandora's box where afterwards people have said things for instance they feel tremendous shame about it cetera. So it's not without risk. There are risks but for people who have experience. I think that MD may could possibly be a tool that helps them to down regulate fear anxiety response and process. Some of what is happening to them in a way that allows them to be more proactive instead of reactive. Afterwards that doesn't mean I'm recommending. People do empty may right now but I do think that if I had to choose between. Md May and psychedelics out. Probably choose empty right. Why I recommend that you wipe down the box of the. Md comes in yet difficult. The question of procurement is a whole separate a whole separate topic. That is probably best not discussed on. Podcast stays six feet away from your dealer just lobby. Mda over the fend right. So so let's was. There is those are a few of my thoughts but people struggling right now. People are struggling and I think in many respects people are having a psychedelic. Millions of people are having a psychedelic experience. Right now in so much as this set of crises in this pandemic has acted much like LSD as a nonspecific amplifier of everything. That's underneath the surface. And if you have mild anxiety disorders or tendencies to anxiety that can be managed under normal circumstances. There's a good chance that is magnified right. Now if you have a just about forget about the health concerns aside I think you and I are on the same page in having worried up until this moment that people aren't taking the health implications seriously enough that that that really hasn't been that we've been to panicked by this. It's just that we we actually haven't been worried enough early enough to take the steps that we need to take to actually get off these exponential curves and and mitigate the spread of this contagion but forget about the virus if if there were just some invisible force that we're having the economic effects that we're now witnessing that would be a civilization rattling form of stress for almost everyone. I mean you and I are in uniquely fortunate circumstances in that in a we're we're We're both well off and Able to more or less work almost as we were before me apart from not doing live events or anything else of that sort you know we can more or less just continue going But most people are not in that situation and is even if there was just no concern about the possibility that you or anyone you love is GonNa wind up in an ICU on a ventilator which is going to which is happening and it's going to increasingly happened to too many many people leaving all that aside you know people are understandably terrified about the economic volatility were seen but it's it's it's not just up and down up and down it's you know it's in certain sectors just down down down with no end in sight you know if you look at the service sector if you look at restaurants all of that is is very scary especially given the way in which I mean it interacts with everything in just the the way in which our society is is so lacking in resilience based on you know. They're not being a great safety net even though we're trying to provide one on the fly here with trillions of dollars And there's a level of wealth inequality that is just magnifying. This problem And then there's a political layer to it that is increasingly toxic. Where you know. One side of the aisle is is You know fairly e delusional in which they're denying the nature of the problem and the other side is You know in in the worst case just willing to make politics out of out of a pandemic and it's like we see we can't even talk to each other about you know how to solve the most basic human problems so it's incredibly stressful leaving aside the actual reality of the pandemic it is it is I've And and you're absolutely right. I mean we're in very fortunate positions. I have family members friends who've been laid off from all types of jobs not just service industry jobs. I think the service industry is the Canary in the coal mine. And it's struggled you know I've I've struggled with what to do to maximally help. Also I think I've been. I don't think I know I've been sort of beating myself up a lot about not doing enough or perhaps not doing the right thing said Cetera etc. And there's a lot of people in your life is like has it's been going one to one where you have friends and and family members who you've had as burn a lot of fuel trying to convince to take this seriously or is it are you talking just about your public messaging about. It's both it's both. I mean I think that Because I discuss this publicly quite early I wanNA say the first blog posts put up. A battle was second or third week of February which I caught a lot of health for and then the campaigning for cancellation of south by which I caught a lot of health worse that that was actually quite easy because I had a high degree of conviction that this was inevitable on some level given the mathematics involved and the the the F- The fine details of the metrics could be off and a case fatality rates. And this that and the other thing could be off but even if they were off by fifty percent in either direction nonetheless the picture emerging was very clear to me so I felt good about that. I think it's been difficult is having many of the people who initially didn't take it seriously. Getting caught on their heels in really bad positions with family. Mem- were family members to account for and so on in different locations. Who then came to me for help with everything and I couldn't handle it. I could not handle it. I don't mean emotionally. I mean it was logistically. Impossible hundreds of text messages. And it's like I can't take six hours on with each of these people to get them up to speed. It's not physically possible so it's It's been challenging and I don't mean to make it A. It's not a SOB story. Because there there are many millions of people who are going to be having a much harder time and I guess the the question that that comes to mind for me to you and Is What would you recommend to people who are scared or suffering right now at recognizing their real external factors to consider but also recognizing that we often suffer twice or suffer when we need not suffer at least in our minds by imagining worst case scenarios and perceptive rating on worst case scenarios and being consumed by fear? I there. Are there any recommendations that you would make to people who are fearful or confused in these times? I know that's very broad and maybe asking a lot. But how would you respond to that? Why I guess the the place from which. I'm you know I can be fairly. Prescriptive is toward all the people who are in situations similar to our own. I mean in the sense that there are people who are earn totally non analogous situations to our own. Who for whom you know? The choice to stay home is not possible. Right right it would be a an abdication of their own ethical responsibilities if they were to stay home. I mean there are people who you know need to work in our ICU's and there are people who need to deliver and keep the supply chain running. All these people are heroes for just doing their jobs and his. So I've you the ethical imperative to get out of circulation and not increase. The the you know disease burden and and the the burden on our health care system That falls to everyone else who can do their work from home. Who for whom you know being out in the world is not actually helpful to anyone And so those are two very different sets of people and so you know the people who are out there doing the necessary work of keeping everything running. You know all of consider all of them. You know heroes who who's way I want to get out of right. I want us all to get out of their way and not make it any more likely that a are going to get sick or that they were going to be unable to to if they're in healthcare care for the people who are already sick or soon to be sick or sick now and don't know it And but for the people who can reinvent themselves or step away from from their their careers and jobs and And especially for the people who are in in fortunate enough positions to not actually have to sweat financial implications of this and the near term I just think there's a different set of ethical considerations that come online majors. I think we we Shu. We should just be looking for opportunities to help the people who are more vulnerable than we are. I mean so you know if you so like all of us have people in our lives who employ however peripherally you know just like you take the person who cuts your hair if you have hair leave you out of this Tim. Thank you still have some of my hair and You know so it's just like you know. I know how often I get a haircut while I know I'm not getting a haircut for. I don't know when the next haircuts going to going to happen but you know why not buy some imaginary haircuts here and and keep help. Keep the person who cuts my hair afloat during this period Anything like that that you can think of doing right to support people who you know are taking you know. In many cases a hundred percent hit to their their economic well-being it just seems. If you're in a position to be able to do that you should right. And that's As I would advocate that we we recognize that we are. We're all part of a system here. Were all connected and in in the most basic material ways. And we're all reliant on on everyone else not breaking down and failing here and and And so our effort to keep our world together can't be solitary and we can't be solitary at the national level and it can't be solitary at the the individual family level mistress it. It can't be merely about making sure you have enough food in your house Because you can't possibly have enough food in your house so that you are no longer reliant on the supply chain and on the service worker who would deliver the food from the the market that you're now scared to go to That person still has to have a viable source of funds. And so anyway. It's just to to view our connections to keep to keep our connectedness to the people we know certainly in even the people we don't More in mind here as we as we hunkered down as we should say were again I I really do. Think it is imperative for us to to understand collectively. I mean speaking as for the with the country in mind me. This can't even be a state by state effort. We can you know all of us. Who are who are out of circulation now are more or less just waiting for everyone else to get the message because if this is going to go on for a very very long time if we can't extinguish it And slow the contagion. You know over the next couple of months and It's only it's only by doing that. And then all the subsequent testing and contact tracing that. We're actually going to return the world and the economy. Something like normal. I mean there there is. There is no rebooting of this economy with a contagion like this raging and people fallen sick in the numbers that they will. I mean. We're just what we're what we're GonNa do is just pendulum swing back and forth from trying to restart the economy and then realizing Oh my God. This is just too scary. The I just saw crazy documentary about what what's really happening in the hospitals and okay. Now I'm going back into hiding and you know we're going to have that that experience on a collective level over the course of months and it's It's just going to be needlessly costly in terms of lives and our economic well-being Whereas the truth is we could resolve this in something like a month if we had our act together. I mean literally we could lock down for a month and this would burn itself out if if they did it correctly. Yeah that would require isolating in fever clinics or elsewhere family members who were positive from their families sadly but yes or or family so in a worse case than that just you know everyone isolating in their homes and maybe the rest of the family would get it and then you know then whoever would have to go to the hospital. Would to the hospital. But as long as we're six feet away from everyone other than our family members And out of circulation we could this this thing could self extinguish is just. We're not showing any kind of aptitude for doing that. Because of the nature of our political conversation mainly yeah the and to echo what you said a little bit earlier my impression looking at the infusion and hopelessness and frustration among many of my friends and this is not limited to people who are as as fortunate as we are This is even lots of folks. I know who say Our gardeners or housecleaners. Who also want to help in some fashion. The question that I get very often from top to bottom is which nonprofit should I give money to and I think that will become clear as things progress but right now there are a thousand chickens with their heads cut off running around trying to help and really confusing things. There are a few signals the noise I think flex port flex dot org slash donate is doing excellent work. Operation Masks Dot Org. I find interesting although I don't understand all of it but there's a lot of confusion and in the meantime there are things as you said that you can do to help just by focusing on the people you know if you look back. You're to say a typical week from six months ago. What it looked like Monday to Sunday and you can identify the coffee shop. You can identify the restaurants. You can identify people you may have paid for. God knows what on a weekly basis. A monthly basis doesn't mean you have to feel obligated by yourself to subsidize all those folks but what you could do is ask. The question that that I was I was was told was the most important at the beginning. Actually have a rafting trip my first ever rafting trip and Kelly Star. Who's an incredible guy The ready state incredible incredible athletic performance coach all around good guy and he used to be an Olympic level kayaker and he said everybody was on the trip because he was co organizing it. He said the most important forwards that you can utter. How can I help? How can I help if you're if people are doing stuff in your hands are empty? How can I help? And what I've noticed at least in having conversations with people I've offered to help that oftentimes it's just asking. How can I help? Can I help you? That is in an of itself helpful. Does that make sense? It doesn't it doesn't have to translate to them accepting your help or asking for help But just reaching out and making the offer and indicating that it's a standing offer even if they don't accept it now I think is is tremendously. Psychologically helpful See you don't have to wait for the perfect nonprofit to present itself you can talk to those people who you already know. Yeah yeah and it's also just worth remembering how disruptive this emergency is and how how unique it is. I mean this is a by. Its very this is dividing us from ourselves. I mean this is. This is separating people I mean just think of what it's like to have someone die now and you know the decision about whether to have a funeral or not I mean in most cases. It's a straightforward decision of just not to do that you know and and just think of the implications of that The rest of life is going on you know and you know and all the bad parts of life is still going on. People are getting sick and dying from causes that have nothing to do with corona virus. And all of that speak being made more difficult and just deciding whether you have to see a doctor for some other reason. Now is incredibly stressful And so that you're so much going on now that it's People are under a ton of stress And again it's It's almost perfectly designed to Be Hard to solve. You know it's not like a initially the the analogy to September eleventh came to everyone's mind as like this okay. This is yet another intrusion of history. You know this is another moment where we need to wake up and realize okay. The the society destabilizing events are are still. You know still on the menu right. This is is the kind of thing you're living through now that the people will be talking about long after you're gone But on another level this is this is totally unanalogous to September eleventh. It it is. It's much a much bigger deal And it's much harder to respond to intelligently It's not to say we responded to September eleventh with with much intelligence but it's This is big and no one alive has really gone through something quite like this. I miss been. It's this is outside of everyone's lived experience. You know how to how to deal with this. Yeah and what would I would add to. That is that I don't know if this'll be helpful. Bud speak from a personal perspective and I've been beating myself up for not having a clear framework for making decisions. Not Feeling clarity around many things not knowing how help optimally or being able to figure it out in the fact of the matter is it makes very little sense for me to beat myself up about that because it is not least not always reflective of a personal flaw. It's a collective experience that millions of people are having right. Now this is. This is very different from anything anyone living has ever faced. And that's not to say that the the world as we know it is going to hell in a handbasket. I'm not saying that. But the the circumstances and the problems and the challenges that have been created are are very different from nine eleven or anything else that we associate with national or global crisis very very different. So it's I think helpful to try to remember that and I'm saying this is much for my own benefit as anyone else to be gentle with oneself and compassionate if you can be because it's not R- difficulties the difficulties that most people are facing are not reflective of any individual flaw. They are reflective of a a terrifying and unique situation and the rest of millions of people collectively. Yeah I mean there's so many cases where is not reflective of a flaw at all? It's just it's just you're in a sector of the economy where You know. Obviously you're getting zeroed out right. Just because of the nature of the problem is like the just imagine owning the best restaurant in New York City right. You know you you may not survive this interruption in your activity through no fault of your own. It's just it's a This really is like a A stray bullet on that level. That just hits you so that's why we need. There are silver linings here. We need to to Notice all the ways in which our assumptions and our ideologies are cherish notions about how the world should be or not serving us. Well here to take. You know the fashionable ideas in in the tech community a lot of people in tech who are either avowed libertarians or quasi libertarians or just fans of Ayn rand but they have this basic idea that you know the government is is useless and the less we have of it. The better We are really suffering under a lack of effective governance. Now and you know th there are certain lessons here that that should be indelible. I and one. Is You know you? You can't rely on a piecemeal private response to pandemic right and it's not to say that the learn a lot about what's wrong with the government and the bureaucracy and the level of red tape to cut through to actually do something as simple as order masks and other protective equipment. Some of the things that were witnessing now are absolutely bewildering. The fact that they're still a role to be played by private parties in acquiring P. P. E. protective equipment for for hospitals and and first responders. I mean it's crazy it's like why on Earth Does Elon. Musk need to buy a Ventilators and deliver them to to the state of California. Why why isn't the state of California in a position to buy those Chinese ventilators or or you know individual hospitals It makes no sense and yet and it's actually in this case. Not for lack of money is just that there's a lack of agility on the part of government here but whatever systems we need to put in place for the next pandemic. We really need to figure this out. This is as bad as this will be and again I I you know. I think I agree here that we're still at the beginning of this thing. This is still a dress rehearsal for something. That could be much much worse. That on some level is guaranteed to eventually happen. You know whether it's in our lifetime or not I mean it's just it's just sheer good luck that were facing a pandemic. That has the the legality of this one and not one that fits ten or thirty x this one So we have to keep an inventory of all of the lesson has been learned here and and do better next time and and so I mean there are several silver linings here. We there's a lot. We are learning or at least potentially learning and collectively in response to the need to have institutions. That that actually work rather than just populist demagoguery that that appeals to half of a society And the need to have You know systems in place and and supply chains. And you know not not to be utterly reliant on other countries to produce necessary equipment and medicine and to stockpile things that we know we will eventually need or could need and massive quantities. I mean we're the to speak of America and particularly the richest society that's ever existed and in our scrambling to to Produce the most basic Tools at the moment. It absolutely no sense. It's we should absorb on some level. The the the humiliation of this. I mean you've got doctors in the finest hospitals in the country covering themselves with Bandannas. It's madness and So we we can. We can learn these lessons. I mean the on some of these are very simple lessons and personally many of us are having our our priorities. Jittered around by this such that you know. We're we're connecting with with deeper values in a in this experience and experiencing a silver lining to it in just you know the way in which we're prioritizing our time with our family and you just kind of resetting are You know career Priorities and I mean there's so many good things happening for people which are are not going. Unrecognized at it's just a question of figuring out how to how to maintain these these epiphanies once alive starts back up again. Yeah well SAM I. I love her conversations. It's always nice to hear your voice and we will have many many many many many many conversations over the forthcoming days weeks and months. No doubt and I appreciate you and appreciate your thinking so thanks for taking time in your day back at your brother Keep. Keep it up here. You've been Single handedly got says South by South West cancelled and it was the right thing to do And you were. I mean. We sort of pulled the ripcord together. I mean maybe you had pulled it earlier in your life but like when you and I made the decision you know when we were checking back and forth with each other about what was going to happen was south by South West. That was the moment where I was understanding the situation. We're in and You know you were You know definitely The first person in my life who was echoing back to me the the the wisdom of of of that change in outlook and so does is you know. Thank you for being early on this and And thank you for all you're doing because you you have been a great source of information for a very large audience and we just need to keep it up. Thanks so much Sam I I'll do my best and it seems so weird to end this way but I will. How can people find you? Where can people find you? Would you like to share before we close up Well they're they're really only two places where I'm consistently making noise. I used to blog a lot and I. I don't do that anymore. I mean it's been. It's been years since I since I've always writing regularly on my blog but You blog post on psychedelic. Were related to psychedelics also. Oldie but goody drugs in the meaning of life which is in audio form on both of our podcast. I think it is On my blog. But it's my podcast is making sense and the the APP where I talk about. All things related to meditation and the nature of consciousness and to some degree psychedelics is waking up and it's waking up dot com highly recommended. I use it myself and Sam To be continued New thanks again for taking the time. And I'm not sure what we've mentioned. That might end up in show notes but if we have shown oats dear listeners. They will be at teamed up Log. Fort Slash podcast just search Sam Harris or harass or Sam and they will probably pop right up and thanks for tuning in Sam always Always a pleasure and talk to you soon. Yeah take care brother all right. Take care guys this. Is Tim Again? Just a few more things before you take off number one this five bullet Friday. Do you want to get a short email from me? Would enjoy getting a short email from me. Every Friday that provides a little more soul fun before the weekend and five of Friday's a very short email where I share the coolest things. 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The Bitcoin Podcast #293-Kevin Sekniqi-Ava Labs

The Bitcoin Podcast

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The Bitcoin Podcast #293-Kevin Sekniqi-Ava Labs

"Now entering kind cast mandaric Yama. So I listen to Hello everybody welcome back to the big win. PODCAST asked. This is episode. Two hundred ninety three. That's right those those Novia ninety three we. Should you start thinking about what we're GONNA do for three hundred get drunk and over. You're doing all right cool. I like that it's reduced especially we don't really have to go back to the ten episodes. Get drunk talk like fire like maybe we can bring someone in which try to get someone when an that's like somewhat of a big name to get drunk with us. Do they have to be a big name. Like I guess we can trial. They need to be able to participate in the conversation reasonably well truck right like So they have to at least knowledgeable within the space and have an opinion and you get them drunk and it opinions. Get like wild and ill form. Do you think with our lucid network. We could swing for goon do you. Then Goon lexical swifty. I don't think I think they're in a position where he's not willing to do that. Socially maybe if they were already established had the fanfare that they're looking for when being After eva launches deck be something. But I doubt that's going to happen. I just noticed Your your status cousy Daddy. Well it's a it's a Yeti cousy gotta status sticker on it. I'm gone my buying into let's go. You're full end status there. Is it too early or is it not too early. It's too early. Okay Let's see we could do the at least a year listening. Maybe we could swing for big Big Selangor for episode three hundred. We've got about eight weeks to plan so we should be able to get something special philosophy and so anyways big win podcast. You're talking about bitcoin. Shit encrypt the shit and right before we hopped on We used to have this mantra. I think we still have a new sign emails of it. We still have the mantra but we we stopped looking at it and that is adoption is the only thing that matters because literally it is the only metric that matters. I was on twitter two weeks ago through ago and I tweeted my auntie texts about. BITCOIN per year is the only metric. I need to to see where this space is going. And so whenever my Auntie start texted me and they're like hey what's going on with Bitcoin. I know like A. Yeah that sounds must be mackin waves because let me tell you something my aunts watch judge Joe Brown and go on mall walks. So if they're hearing about crypto so then we must be doing something. Hopefully it's not illegal ship mall walks. Go to the mall walk fast because they get exercise and scenery Henry. You never seen that before now man. I haven't tapped into that world yet. Well if you ever like I had to. GNC's mostly in the mall. So I go to the mall and I try to go on my lunch break if you go to the mall during lunch hours. You're going to see an old person in a sweatsuit gin. Their speed walk on it. It's like it's like A. It's like how they get their exercise. I believe you just wasn't aware aware that actually when someone the other day 'cause I had to but I don't mind. Wolves Ninety two divided up on. Well how do you like one like. Why did we stop talking about it in the first place right like our adoption? All of the only thing that matters yet we don't talk about it for the past. I don't know one hundred episodes really because I think we will realize You adoption isn't this thing that is easy to define define because it's different for every single person and it's it's really hard to define so it's really hard to builder roadmap for what is supposed to look like. Do you remember what we how it used to define it like when we start at the podcast right when there was nothing but really what like. Why did we come up with that as are basically like mantra for a long time it was a part of our intro music and like what did we think was like what what do we mean back? Then I think back then limit is everybody. Everybody will be using bitcoin all the time for all the things did we. I'm pretty sure man we we we were all about it like at least setting the stage back then. That was the point in time. Where if you said the word bitcoin nobody knew what you were talking about? You were like it was like what. What does the word you just used used? I've never heard that word. Stop being a crazy person and today beat too fast forward five years. That's certainly not the case. Everyone knows the word and has a kind of an idea what about and because they have been idea they also have kind of an opinion. So it's like okay if this is adoption if adoption is a Pop Culture thing than Bitcoin is being adopted very poorly If if of adoption is everybody actually using it. Then bitcoin has targeted has has been adopted very poorly. So Not Wanna AH. It's not like it's not. It's not a dichotomy. It's not on or off adoption. It's definitely a scale right and their stages to it Aikman if we if we just look at where we've come from when we started in terms of public awareness or knowledge of even its existence and some amorphous idea about what it's about and think about where we where we started and where we are. Now that's some type of adoption Because there's a lot of technologies that never even come close to reaching that now we're certainly not at a point where everyone's using it or really understands the reasoning behind it or it's not the back end of like business to business deals also because all these things that we thought may end up happening which still some of them may that that certainly have not but if we would just like there is some. There's been massive adoption just in terms of awareness. Why Price Yes? Obviously I mean. The awareness thing is is because of the investment. It's obviously because the investment opportunity. That's it that's people see it making money in. Eventually the money speaks for itself right and then you know people start to try to trade. Didn't like I don't know that that's just the way people mostly hear about is three months from now when the price probably goes up about fifteen hundred in it's it's getting close Or across that ten thousand threshold for the fifth time. I don't know lost three years for big win. That is and people. It's going to hear about it again. And they're GONNA get those texts from our own tea and my pops and my mom and my friends from middle school all above. That's what it gets people involved in aware. And then once they realize after they pulled off that layer of price in there some real shit going on they usually usually put that layer right back on. And then I'm the person to decide if they need appeal. The layer back more. They're like Oh yeah but like that's the same vein. We've come a long way. In terms of good resources. People can go to to learn about about how to conduct themselves. We have better tools that people can use to conduct themselves in terms of Wallet Technology. Availability of intuitive would've wallets on on mobile phones. More options for hardware devices that are easier to use but still not get back then. There weren't even seed phrases. Start as podcasts. Like we start. I think we started the podcast. I'm not even sure there were HD wallets. They had just come like amid like a month or two after we started and I was like. Oh my God this is great. I want to say it was. The first was the first I like wall. Implementation to really take HD wallets and run with it because they were the ones that started doing multi-asset while it's when a theory became larger and you had multiple points across the thing big. Oh did before. Jack's get day Viggo because that was their claim to fame for security was that they do hd wallets okay. Well then that say Jack's utilized it for a multi coin purpose. Let's using the same using the same seed phrase across multiple chains to derive Kita multiple ways. Dexter that really will. But Jack's fellow hard I wouldn't say that did it really well. They did it better than anyone at that time and then stopped ugh. Remember my my theory. I'm Wallet Dot Com that I thought that was genius as either wallet. Don't know by ether wallet. There's still think but before my Team Jack's team oh Eh Dot Com. I know people that while money at that place because they just forgot the link and literally said the link is the private key. Don't forget it was like fuck that barks the website that may be start to see how powerful this could be. I was like Holy Shit. This TAB is my wallet. That's fucking next next level shit and when I showed it to some people. They're like wait. What and I was like? Yeah it's going down but we kind of abduction adaption and so I really had a deep thought about this on the When you spend four I don't know six hours a week? Twelve hours a week actually on planes you know. You're close to the Gods Corey get flying high close to the Gods and you look out you see. What's that a little fucker who has wings on his shoes? A of Cyrus note. That's Sungai Cyrus Son guy he's indigestion got Yeah when you know it. Chris Nintendo character with wings. Eker S I believe is the guy with wings on his shoes. Okay you look out on it and you think to yourself. Why don't more people do this? This down kidding. It's not that deep but I was thinking about technology adoption just as a whole and you look at when a new technology comes around and there's a there's a small group of people that embrace it and then in that very small in a smaller group of people in that smoke of people people that profit from it and then there's a smaller group of people inside of that profit group of people that use that profit to better everyone and that doesn't change. You'll get all Internet automobile computer plane lane the fucking tire like all of them. Go that route. And then if you if you zoom way way back out and you think like what's the percentage of the human population that's using this tech is usually not even very large and then you think of what's the percent of the human population Shen that is using this tech as an integral part of their life. That's really not that large so like how many people like myself are flying across countries just to do business in fly back to their home not lot probably more in historical perspective than ever before but not a lot of people are using the ability that I could wake up today A. B. in another city that S- thousands of miles away and and work week and come back. Thousands of miles like that is unheard of one hundred and fifty years ago but not many people are using the ability to do that to better their your life or at least be a part of their life so when it comes to technology adoption is in in in general. We we have to start. We're having realistic. I profess about having smart goals specific measurable Attainable Realistic Timely. Are you serious but that stuff. That's what I do the business and they're salting give people acronyms all right all right. I'll give it to. That's fine. Keep going how can we have. sparkles for this crypto ship. Like we gotta be realistic about it. If you'RE GONNA be money if it's going to be money any has to have a government blessing to force everyone to use this technology the because if you're not forcing them to use it they're not gonNa know planes so what we call adoption right but that that depends on what we call success first off. It's we were way off. Hermes has throwing shoes told you. Tinto Character Hickory is is the son of data also so a Greek God so a word that is usable. Neuro right here. Is the the Sun mastercraft. Data's creator of the labyrinth stickers and his father attempt escape from crate by means of wings at his fodder constructed from feathers and wax acres felt flew too close to the sun. And that's that fucking guy. Okay so let me the government. I want to say like an all the examples that you just said in terms of massive adoption had did they get to the point where it was available to everyone in such a way that they could use it. If you think about just planes alone and trying to think of the compromises or decisions you have to make in a process of going from Some technology that serves a small group of people to a technology that serves a much much much larger group of people or all people at some point. Changes have to be made. And maybe the ideologies that push the original idea. Get a NERF a little bit. Where because everyone doesn't care about those ideologies earls technology already exists exists because it would have to write and it has the commodities at some point that in order the to do some type of commoditisation? I think maybe industrialization comes into play here or there's there's some compromises that have to happen on the process. Going for serving small group of people with a very specific group are set of demands and needs to everyone and that usually is a trade off of ideals maybe concentrations of power functioned feature set a complexity. Things like that like all those things. Kinda take a hit depending on who. You're serving it. And how it's made how valuable it is in layers. In between that absorbs some of that risk and complexity and then resurfaced the easy absorb away to someone who doesn't give a shit. That's what I'm talking about is like an example of that. Even within the CRYPTO currency ecosystem system is building debt. Coin complexities and difficulties in risk and responsibility of holding your own data and keys value. You're and things built on top of it to make it easier like coin base like at the bottom layer still exists. And we're making it better but yeah I agree with you and the most popular thing and what some people consider a scaling solution is quite base. which is a private private database? oedipus this had to do never not going to do that. More stuff like that will end up happening in order to serve a broader audience. But what's Nice about it but I've always said about this. Is that you those who care those who have those original ideals those that need need acidic functionality without Kyc your am L. or cross border payments or something can still use the base layer. If they want they they had the option to take their money. Way Out of the custodial services or the or the Things built on top which change gay deals and feature set and bring them down to the lower layer if they want to. How do we ensure or usher that the people that are opting out? Have the same Luvell of live just life that that people that don't like it's in the states. It's becoming increasingly increasingly hard. Opt Out in coin. Base you Sir Wallace. You can't even like sin money in Aucoin base note or coin base or certain services are like. Don't send me that Coin Base Shit and we'll know of it comes from Coin Day as a coin baseball will censor you depending on whether or not they know the coins that come to or from are going to elicit services they have and that's the thing that's that's an inevitability that will happen in any jurisdiction that has laws if you build a company that abides by laws in order to pitch taxes and be participant of whatever government in its in whatever jurisdiction. It is say whatever you want about the rules and regulations around that but like if it is to survive in that jurisdiction it will abide by the rules and definite ability period. You can you can. There's nothing you can do to get away from that. And so what's Nice about. This is the underlying technology is not subject to those jurisdictions to it can be used globally. It's just the people who end up needing to opt into various services within their jurisdiction. We'll have to abide by those rules. But like what's governing the actual will thing the value does not and I think that's really that's really important distinction to make is it can't you can't you can't control the thing and it's not governed by it and that's kind of like I think it was about a month ago. Asked the question in the slack about them are middlemen inherently bad. Why do they have such negative connotations in our specific industry that were in love with I guess and I don't I don't think they are? But then I started to think about like the roles. Middlemen like for instance in everything that we take advantage of. Just because it's my life and I do is a lot like when I push the button to buy a plane ticket in. It's taking that five seconds to load by the plane ticket. I'm like how many fucking services services are put in mind for major right now in different databases Lincoln that Shit together just to spit out a smiley face to me to say confirmation. You've got your plane ticket. You're good to go like their security agencies. Your show up. They'll say okay and not go away. Yeah like that's like they're so many middleman in Government agencies is going to private agencies is going to banks going to this is going to that all all those middlemen talking together boom just to make sure I get a smiley face an exclamation point in the in the assurance that I'm GonNa be on that plane that I want to be on like that. That's bad add to me is like okay. I think would it comes down to is like are those middlemen taking advantage of the power that they have is the conversation where we take it too. Yeah that's definitely. That's that's definitely what we're changing right. Middle Aren't going away. It's the ability of the middlemen to take advantage of the power that they have or even care hear about it that matter right like we're all we're doing is at a lot of ways through the sixth through these networks and smart contract systems and software. That we're building is creating autonomous middlemen. Things that take care of all the stuff up and take care of so for instance like a particular service could become smart contracting platform or whatever could take bitcoin and process whatever desire Zaire you want depending on what jurisdiction. You're in a mixture of everything that happened abiding by all the rules and then give you a confirmation if you need to. You need to operate within a certain action or like it's like some framework that sits on top of Bitcoin that allows businesses to understand what tax burden they they have if using bitcoin or other currencies right and so this can all be cofide and programmed and then work autonomously autonomously and not give a shit about. WHO's using it? It's the rules checkout or they doubt house be cash doing thank zero confirmation transactions Like a special category geography to assure that if the transaction is communicated to the meme pool than you can accepted as finality. I don't know I don't know the details I think I know they're using avalanche are snowman or whatever they're calling it As as as like a overlay protocol for handling specific types of transactions or confirmations round transactions or something right And so they think they're coming to an agreement and like side network around specific transactions which eventually get put into blocks intuitively makes sense to me. But I don't know I know I know I know. They're using some form of avalanche within the network in order to come to agreement on some something I think that's what it is. I'd have to look further quick right like the consensus protocol around. What's good and what's not very fast so you can do zero confirmation that? That's that's this kind of game changer. Because then businesses can do business. Well I mean all PBS. T does zero confirmation so cosmos a lot of us change that Due to we'll have a similar thing so like there's no probabilistic finality so the way bitcoin works is that As has a block gets older and older and older will prove of work in general. You have more confidence around the fact that it won't be changed Because of the way a block is found found and the unlikelihood that someone can redo that work and more work to make Heavier for your chain which everyone else would agree upon So that's just it's it's a product of how the consensus work Other forms of consensus. I don't do probabilistic finality like that. So when a block is made it's made that's it. It's it's final immediately. That's what caused us to see. Don't have this forking behavior waiting a bunch of confirmations next year at works and so on so forth but they suffer from other types of issues with Never consensus it's not just like a one-size-fits-all type thing it's funny that the the rules that were imparting in this technology Zi should become massively. Adopted are going to have actual physical changes in the real world like how people behave. Like for instance if imagine if everyone did adopt bitcoin go in. And you had to wait for three confirmations like going to the grocery store would be a daily like people really are going to the grocery store. We're GONNA try and get all these grocery sorted out in the first twenty minutes. Were there and then you know we'll go to the coffee shop for the last half hour ones. Yeah that's never. That would never right like that. Behavior would never work and but mostly would said when they do the whole like By a cup of coffee with Bitcoin type of thing is that The it it makes people think about the risks associated with what. They're doing a lot more when you think about buying something with bitcoin because because by buying a cup of coffee. I don't really need the receipt. And I don't care and the and the and the if if you can see these zero confirmation mation transaction the network. You can assume. I'm not going to spend that much work trying to double spending and the overall risk associated with accepting zero confirmations confirmations at that value is relatively small so you can do business there without caring about zero confirmation transactions. But if you're talking about up buying a house you're going to wait a long time to make sure that transaction is solid in a lot of blocks but like that like you said it's interesting to think about that because it is a product like having to associate risk with transaction is somewhat of a byproduct of the fact that you have a number of confirmations until like a confidence interval about moving money. I think that's if anything that's I think. Okay now I just had a flashback of five years ago. I got excited about adoption in because I realized that not everyone lives under the guise of complete financial security. Like we're very spoiled and get you in like we the Americans in the states like it's stupid silly. I could get five credit cards right now if I wanted to. I could just pick up my phone. Apply apply apply apply boom. I hit my limit of hard inquiries on my before. They start digging euphoric inquiries. Get all five of those credit cards boost my credit score score cool go to the bank. Take out like there's like a may not but we just have this level of financial security to wear like even at airport. They're like that'll be fifteen dollars for two bottles of water and some pretzels. And I'm like cool. You need the receipt. Hell no like on on a fifteen dollar purchase. I don't give a shit about the receipt of whatever I'll deal with this later when I looked at my finances and find out. I've spent eight hundred dollars on water. Modern politics I'll deal with this later. Dazzling it's it's so weird good operate with that level security like if they if they go do something they're like these dollars even fucking real like God. Damn I know I like this person but this is this is the first time they come in here with like a bunch of twenty dollar bills like these twenty dollar bills from the eighties. Fuck like yeah. You're right and it's so strange. Strange trying to sit on this pet stool of convenience and prosperity and talk about. What adoption is bitcoin because the majority of it that really matters right now for people that we can't relate to a lot of ways what's what's the stat that I've that I've learned recently when Talking about like mark material status is such a massive amount of people across the globe. I live a with like on a less than a dollar a day and they're under eighteen eighteen and like even in in America they. They're not they don't have access to banking services or money. And so when you think about when match your livelihood every cent counts transaction fees count. The volatility of your money counts in in terms of just feeding yourself putting a shelter of your head and that's who this technology is really really really useful for for right now is allowing those people to just just live a better life with more confidence around whether or not they're going to be able to feed their families or themselves in pay bills on time. Well most most of what we talk about investment opportunities whether or not people get the idea of digital currency like. I don't know it's it's Wrong it's useful for those things. There will be there will maybe a rebuilding of the traditional finance market. But this technology is that is that the adoption we mostly care about. I don't Out like is they're not mutually exclusive. Either they're not and it's is really tough to come to a consensus on what adoption is supposed to look like. But while we're talking about consensus probably slide on into the interview that are forced transition. It was a dat have forced. It was a little it was alright. Alright alright so today's interviews with Allah labs. If you haven't heard about aww labs you believe it under a fucking rock That no kidding May I don't know maybe live under a rock shit. But they're working on their challenges like Hey blockchain's hurt the best thing for consensus. There's other math that exists. I don't like the way he said that it's like the way I say love blockchain's have nothing to do with consensus. Say That okay concerns consensus around what the blockchain is saying. Okay I'll give you that. We go so they they say. Hey the way we build the thumbs up for that. Blockchain is right or wrong is is stupid right now and end. We're we're going to change that. We got this area of mathematics. That's way sexier than Sa- Toshi Nakamoto used and we're going to throw the sex on yells lives with this avalanche protocol So we interviewed viewed the co-founder his. NAME'S KEF so we're GONNA go to the interview right now He says Hey everybody welcome back to another BITCOIN podcast interviews Today I mean we've got an exciting guests the ALVA labs if you've seen him on the twitter machine they've been going to town. I know I have But we have the co Oh founder above a labs Kevin Seconds. Welcome man out. How how you doing thank you for having me doing good doing good Throw zero I guess man. We're GONNA run through this like we always do in like Kenny Kenny. Introduce yourself to our audience and like what you were doing. Prior to Crypto. Oh and then what happened was he. Fell down that rabbit hole. We like to call it and then like why. How'd you end up like just give us the background story? Like yeah for sure for sure. So I have been in Crypto for a long time At some point went in my late high school Right before college. It was just a little bit of time after the original channel in a client came out first maybe two thousand ten something forgetting the exact year by discovered this client associated written released. Its on some some really obscure reddit thread back. When read it was just basically basically Alexis Ohana talking to each other And there were talking about this This this cool tool that was able to allow anyone to to send money to anybody else across the Internet In this money was native to the system so it was magical Internet money. As we've we've heard it I thought it was really cool. I started getting involved in. It's in the early days days via actually mining A bunch of Bitcoin. Some be really early blocks are mine and at some point. I forgot about it I had mine a bunch but Unfortunately I was one of these sob stories of Actually losing my keys so in other Jaguars Gone early blocks of mine. Gone So I if I had those keys totally troll the space in move the keys around Yup the She's moving them of unfortunately will have those imports. If I didn't have that the great trolling trolling go a story but So then I became became wants to UNDERGRAD and I started getting involved Pretty deeply in in research cryptography and nothing to do with currencies and I was involved in things like fully homework. Encryption and so on and I was still in parallel. Had some affinity towards digital money money and You know both technical aspect debate on the financial aspects of it But never really got involved in the states Until I sort of got into my PhD. And then even then. I wasn't really involved in the space. I was just purely as a researcher on various aspects of Blockchain and Did some research in their here and there at some point the mets actually goon as well which eventually led us to a out to do a bunch interest things together and at some points about two years ago actually started getting involved more into the space itself. The crypto space CRYPTOCURRENCY space officials. Say and I always came at it from a sort of technical and Finance or background Self never really been I wouldn't call myself a crypto. Og even though. I have been the space for very long time. Just because I am not have never really been part of the criminal subculture. Let me call it. That's Just sort of always loved it's from the sidelines but never been involved in it so None never really contributed just always kind of lurking. There's only really recently that You know a got involved in it offers basis and Hard to get involved them on so You know we started at this research project. Were at Cornell we were trying to You know sort of from a distributed systems perspective. not really just building Couldn't really we didn't really care about any of that. We weren't really points do that. We just wanted to build something. That was fundamentally. Really new Non Improvements right so we wanted to build a new focal. That was very different from everything else out there and We sort of got down to it. We start thinking talking about about really innovative ways of consensus at a global scale and It's kind of like one of those hobby project it's like. I don't really have a goal here. I just WanNa see what I can. What come up with and You know we worked And eventually something materialized in this new family of consensus per host also which was initially called Lange. I'm not quite sure what is branded as now. It's empathy to actually properly brandon. It's it's this conglomeration of various different protocols and But they all do something fundamentally different from everything else out there and you know as as a AH distributed systems researchers we've sort of analyzed sodomy off of these protocols and really all of them fall under these three families and bitcoin being one of these two one of these three families and the avalanche being the latest one so at some point we said look we have this great technology out can can actually build a real product out of it so we built it in house before we did anything related to our lives a company we were. We were building at Cornell just as part of our research team Purely as as me Ted than at the founder of rural page these sort of building this out Initial a a first client and then at some point when he was actually sort of materialize into a real code base and we actually rented into a real department. We were like Whoa. This thing works works. This thing is actually really cool. It was bare minimum You need to actually get a full on cryptocurrency because we didn't have things like staking and membership changes in so on just the basic thing you you initial as you network you run it in in a robust environment On many nodes any will super super fasten Look look we can actually build something really cool here in naturally compete with the with the rest of the of the projects in the space and so that's how we sort of started on the business side and then at at some point we We realized that we really really did not want to just be another crypto currency. We wanted to be something really cool something that we could be proud of and saying. Look we fundamentally changed a really big area and so finance is the biggest thing thing that Finds a really mean broadly. Speaking money is something that that can really fundamentally change with these kinds of systems And when I say these kinds of really mean systems that you know are open to to creation and management of scares value. Well you That's that's really interesting concept and being able to encode contracts any kind of contract between parties in an open way that is transparent parents that is that has more importantly has opened. Api's where anybody can end. Developer can go there and look at these really cool things on top That fundamentally changes a lot of things in finance and money because money has not changed at all right like two thousand one came along the L.. Dot Com era. Came along to change a lot of things you know there were always available. API's and you could build all kinds of cool Websites with all available data Lido everywhere. But none of this sort of fell down the stack into finance. Finance world is just a super archaic super outdated Ecosystem affectively. What all it is is just a bunch of contracts that holds special conditionals and that have some inherent aren't money attached to them so That's sort of what we really want to change with with what we're building. And eventually whatever became is this this platform perform for the issuance of blockchain's for the creation of assets in this really cool ecosystem which has yet to launch But hopefully will soon and that. So that's sort of like our vision. At least that's what we're trying to do all right. Let's talk about real quick. I want to give you my my dumb layman's term of how I think. Think Avalanche works or Snowman or whatever the ended up branded consensus grill. Call Works and it's if I could boil it down. You got a group of people people that are all participating or like in a network right there just in-network and there's this piece of data that I wanNA know of. Its I get it and I WANNA know if it's good or not or like there's a decision that is made within the network. Typically I guess saw the cartoons in the early days were Picking between red and blue and what what what the network work thinks the right answer is is it right or is it blue so what I do is I pick random people in the entire network subset of people call it five and then I asked asked them. Is it red or blue. They'll give me an answer. I take I take the most. I guess the the the the highest weighted answer so three people say read. It's not read for me. I do this multiple times in eventually. I'm going to keep getting the same answer and probabilistically after certain amount of times. I can assume that everyone has the same answer if everyone does that. That's that's the general gist of how this consensus works which is different than any other Distributed consensus we have right now in terms of like classical consensus in Komo consensus. Is that a good summary. Absolutely with some small caveat abby out so Yes so effectively. The the really interesting thing about avalanche stop protocols is that they achieve global consensus based purely on local a estimates of what the actual consensus. This is the really sort of like nice the property I can just observe my local environment and based on my local environment I can come up with estimations of what everybody else is doing without really having to take care of everybody else This is the this is the really interesting thing but the one thing that you mentioned which is that regardless of what what happens you sort of reach consensus It's a it's slightly stronger than that. It's more of like you know under certain cases it will reach consensus in you. You know very quickly but regardless of what happens regardless of if you even have visiting behavior and you have some really bad guys trying to prevent a trying to make you think in your local state is something different from what the global state is They will not be able to do so except with negligible probability And that's that's it's really Can build super high value systems that hold billions of trillions of dollars of value. Because you know the probability of any misbehavior Really double spending warning. The best stuff is usual even though you're just dealing with local state That's that's really what were the biggest or the biggest advantage of these come in and this is in stark contrast to the other families which do require sort of global Out At least one of the two requires a global estimate estimation a global view of the network which is which is prohibitive in very large networks. So I guess what's the threshold Our guest threshold has to scale obviously with the number participants in the network. But like I what percent of people that come to consensus is it like yeah. We can just assume that that's how everybody thinks or that's it. s great question so unlike for example something like no Komodo Has A has a lot of great stuff with with a by the way But one of the things that he doesn't have is that it's not permit tries Boll in how big your threshold is it is. It happens to be that you know at most fifty percents of the system can be Byzantine or can be adversarial. And you can't change this to any other number while diminishes sort of simplisafe. Oh you can't change this That's the short answer. But with avalanche-stuck protocols can actually primary tries to whatever you want and you have two things to consider a the safety or. Do you want lightness. I was recently on a on a sort of small little ramp intelligent group In regards of this Where her you know? We were discussing whether whether safety matters or likeness matters. And if you're trying to build a these kinds of systems that are very the high value shift is the only thing that matters at least in my view I will not the only thing. It matters much more rather than lightness so in avalanche you can permit the system to have you know. Say Tolerance against eighty percents adversarial. As long as it's twenty percent is correct than they still. Can't you know the other eighty eight percent still can't force the minority to double spend But at the dump downfall of lightness so you have much lower lightness. You would if the safety was lower than that's a fine trade off to do because Bitcoin for example Bitcoin always prioritizes likeness over safety fifty. And that's kind of bad because if you have a partition in the bigger network You can have two forks that look perfectly fine. They continue operating and there's a total violation nations safety But in Avalanche Opera Kohl's these will shut down if there's a partition. There will never be any progress being made so system will effectively just halt But there will never be ah stance so you can really just crank the safety up as high as you really want. Not As high as you want but you know up to eighty percents reasonable number to crank it up high and when you're you're safe against anything real so you're saying like when Bitcoin does these weird Kind of folks that all the time in the sense that two people come up with a block at identical times that segments that network until the next block is found in which the other with whichever one happens. I this happens. You can't continue that chain for very long because probabilistically one of them will come up with a block first that'll work and then everything else just automatically switched before that short amount. By the time you have the network basically Completely splitting the security meeting the Hash. Power into two separate forks until something something else is found in which they aggregate together yet and they will at some point aggregate back together as long as there's no network partition meaning that like let's say Europe gets entire disconnected from the US or something like that and half the Hash. Power cannot communicate with the other half hour than those two forks that you mentioned you can actually continue in perpetuity and they can never resolve back together. Can you give me or they will have like what type of physical a coal thing would need to happen to remove their ability to communicate blocks to each other. A cow vision actually happened outside of like structure turning off the Internet question so realistically speaking. I wouldn't bet much money on such a global scale a thing happening however Used to realize the way the bitcoin works is that because it just prioritizes always likeness or anything else than what you can happen. What can happen is that a small subset could be partitioned away from the rest of the network and and that's small subset would continue operating independently of the larger part of the network? So you can have. Let's say a country Sort of cut off from From a larger part for a few hours that country will continue operating internally and will continue potential accepting transactions. But anybody else outside is on a complete different fork mark and so at some point when when the Internet is is reconnected There is a lot of blocks. That will be invalidated so any there isn't really double stance. But would you thought you received is going to be thrown away. Potentially that can happen overtime. Does that can happen overtime. Bitcoin now a full on global half and half split like you know all will all of the US You know operates independently of Eurosport or China very unlikely But it you know these kinds of continental breakdown they had happened in the past There was a recent gate Subaru's my few years ago. Where sort of the I think Korea Korea and a few other countries in that region completely cut off from the US for a few hours Because of some intercontinental connection issue so this can happen and in a protocol like like avalanche Even if this were to happen all would happen as far as Portugal goes is just no confirmation happening at all but Nothing is actually double standard. No reversals. Nothing so I know I know a little more than the average. Joe Does about of labs and Y'all are up to kind of curious what what questions has a lot of the stuff. Yeah like I guess what I'd say is is. How are you guys positioning yourselves? 'cause I concern myself a lot with like what the outside world thinks about like think. I've almost tapped out of crypto twitter. Because it's just complete nonsense like every day all day just nonsense and so I'm I'm living in the out quote unquote outside world. I'm a double agent right now from the outside looking in when people come to me like Oh. You're the Bitcoin Guy Guy and I'm like not quite but you know I'm into it. And so when they think about bitcoin then they start then they find theory and then they find. There's thousands of tokens and and then there is star bleeding by. So how'd you guys position. Yourselves is like because every other token that comes around every other product that comes around the Bitcoin two viewpoint or the theory of two point. Oh or the Howard has different. What will now? Yeah that's great. That's exactly what I said. At some point in my very long monologue in regards to US wanted to differentiate and make something cool No so if technology rather rather Implementation details are the only differentiating factor within your company was in your project That's oftentimes not going to lead to large success. You really. We need to have something that people want. You really definitely really cool so we think about that all the time we are. Not If you're killers is not real we're trying to do at all That's that's a that's just not in our roadmap in the way that we we we think about what we want to build is in. We crafts our platform to design specification based on what we think is what people want and that is you know things like in defiance so on If I can jump into the more concrete details as sort of alluded to this earlier that the financial world is Pretty Damn Archaic in the way constructed. Let me give you an example if you are a a bank in the US. And you're trying I to issue some debts instrumental clients which you can. You want to encode the fallen condition. That doesn't matter what happens against the bank. I want X.. Entity XYZ to be. Paid out first before anybody else than the way to do that. Is You taken that contract. You create the new special purpose vehicle You spend out of the bank. You move the contract into the bank alongside any debts obligations into the new. Feb You continue this until the obligations are cleared out and then you do the dissolution of the SP be all to be able to just encode this one conditional effectively. The entire financial system is is if spaghetti codes went on steroids and was all is just a bunch of like legal contracts. On top of legal contracts to amend other illegal contracts with new entities so on whereas instead we can just transform this entire thing and say look screw it. We're going to reinvent. The entire thing is just basically pieces of code that are that are entered into into agreement with special parties and they can transfer things of value. This is all there is and so we're building a platform that allows that. And what does that look like. Well it's not a coin. It's not a was single blockchain its ecosystem where you can be private you can you. You can get bang. You can issue new Sort of a private blockchain's within our ecosystem but you can also be a public blockchain. You can issue new ones on our ecosystems well so he can bring in ethereal for example you can spin it out as we call sub nets within our within the abacus is some and that's one permission list blockchain It supports the entire Ktar. VM You can build your own functionality. So you can build your own virtual machine or you can also bring in You Know Your Bank you can bring in older contracts spin them up as within the same Probably blockchain but the key thing is that everything is interrupting with each other within the avocado system. So you can have all the contracts Citibank the interrupted with the locations that are launched on atheism that can inter operate with really anything else so now what that means is a capital flows are as easy as emails. I have capital. I want deployed in X. Y. Z.. And these are you know it can be any contract. I can create a new conscious. Says Okay if You know the outcomes of Pacific again you conscious specify by some prediction market I can create for example new contract. Specifies interest rate changes off fall off a country it can say if the interest rates of a particular country changed by this percentage Over the sheer than I will take a hedge position against this. Anybody that wants to exposition against me. Go ahead and do it. These can all be unquotable as easy as just like a piece code. That goes out there that is audible and everybody can take positions can interact with this piece of code. This is like the ultimate no way to create friction lists moves of capital Oh. Ns effectively. What we want to affect Ultimately we want to be this one platform where if you think I have a contract I have a something of value and I don't want to trade it in I want to be available. Globally of is the place to go. That's that's that's really what we want to do. This includes of course defy applications well because defies affectively collateralized debt obligations. CDO's in some way you know being reductive here but this is what they are but they're perfectly fine There in fact probably better than regular CD does because at least audible in a Lotta ways so that's just one class of of a of a contracts that asked awesome. We want to support. So that's really how we differentiate we're we're we are a finance play ultimately because we've seen this is where the biggest value for these kinds of networks really exists. I don't necessarily think that You know just any arbitrary depths are were the the big valley for these systems are Applications applications or applications. They don't necessarily need to be in a decentralized fashion so if I want to play a game out of needs to be on blockchain if I want to do something with a outta needs to be a blog shit is just really early. Things here that are that are beneficial is religious transforming this archaic legacy system in finance into into a new world where I can just create contracts like at this move. Capital flows really easily while also by the way very importantly obeying lots of in a lot of rules. So this isn't just a wild west. I you know. We really want to obey An rules and regulations that they need to be late. I think so good. I guess I guess softball ball technical question would be if you guys are handing out. BLOCKCHAIN'S LIKE OPRAH hands out cars What are you GonNa do with all that memory? Sorry I mean the the Bitcoin blockchain got some hefty hefty is getting heavy and the theories. Blockchain is putting on weight like our no my six hundred pound life. So what do you I mean if everybody gets a blockchain and I mean that's going to be a lot of memory real quick so solution to that absolutely so we know when you deploy a new application on. Aws You're not actually eh in everything is going to one compute on aws at that will be crazy imagining like all of aws was just one computer everything that was built on. Aws went through one one machine. This is effectively model that for example something like ethereal has permanently or Bitcoin is just one machine. The abstract thinking of it Not Our our network is a network of blockchain's and You get to choose which should've auditors you want for your New blockchain say okay if it's a public one A Bar from the larger pool of the network and anybody that wants to buy my blockchain. You should date because navy. It has really good economics attached to it so you're GONNA have a lot to gain from being avoided But it's it's not a shared memory model so it's really Application specific blockchain's here Or Features Pacific blockchain's. I think a a question that more technically savvy. Knowledgeable people in the space would have is what you described as what the platform is and what your players sennheiser. kind of the broad high level architecture of it sounds a lot like cosmos and polkadot. Great Question I'm going to be a lot So thick the lower hanging fruit. I which is the focus of our focus shared security model. Everything will need to go through this. One central station at Polkadot is more similar to what what to our security models So it's very different from that long cosmos one that's that's a much harder fruit Much much higher hanging so the cosmos the critical difference. Here is that The way the causes current structured is that you know you technically don't have to the one central hub at divided anything But if if you do have a cross a chain transactions in cosmos they will need to go through the hub. So as long as you're zones in hot in cosmos are or Are Not interact with each other. They don't have to touch the main global chain Whereas with us this is not the case So we do not. We do not have this this this model out really when you do. We have a sub net interrupt with another sub net these two sub nets they shared responsibly. Possibly with each other and nobody else So it's it's a very decent intermediate model. It's very decentralized not in other award a decentralized distributed another really sure what the right word but as far as the obstruction cosmos allows you to launch blockchain's. That's Astro It's it's a similar action. However critically at the code base we support this notion of building arbitrary virtual virtual machines Whereas caused allows sort of Shimla your framework be base? But it doesn't really allow this as easily as we do But I will have a dive too deep into it and yeah otherwise Cosmos's probably the closest of the closest model that the we have to go up next. It's I think there's I've never heard a quick explanation of the differentiation between those models because they all seem very similar especially to someone who doesn't know technicals have all of them. Yeah absolutely no I mean I think from yeah it's they tried to overuse words to out compete with each other. I think The end up effectively not doing each other a service they ended up Sounding the same And you not to some degree we we thought we were cool in thinking that application specific blockchain's was not taken and it turns out that cosmos US absolutely exactly as the same obligations Pacific blockchain's and so we had detract from that but Yeah so but polkadot is the east to family not in the causes namely Cosmos's really probably one of the most sensible must straightforward probably best Arkansas' out there in my opinion so like ultimately. Will you guys feels like you try to do gets to me is like this is a new like base layer right because he hear about. bitcoin is layer two layer to was lightning. What's layer tuna theorem like Eliza goes using it plasma as a few different patterns of layer two inside a theory None of them are really scalable and working but did you guys are like below that right you guys are on the bottom a we you want to launch a blog. You can bring technically bitcoin into into Iowa and launch a sub net. So so we are this this framework for launching blockchain's yeah it were somewhere between layers zero on layer one. The obvious I think what what I always always wonder about especially with projects like this. That are up and coming Potentially significantly novel. How do you get people to go to it? Because like there's a network there's a networking effect of think about like the developer pool inside the basically being consumed by Theorem and my pin born doc. August August use their. How do you get people to switch? How do you get them to come over? How do you get people to build on it? How do you get that how you start building that network in fact great question? There's a few things so as far as you know. Let me sort of stay within the confines of the crypto walls balls. And say you know. Do we want to take a piece of that Pie. We want to really fight for larger piece of that Pie. And you know specially and part part of what we've done is built tool sets that are first of all super backwards compatible And second we don't you know sort of reinvent the wheel sere so oh other projects have done this constantly in to their detriment. They've built new developer tool sets you as the case new things that are just you know. Developers will have to relearn and that's just super detrimental so in a we for example. Allow you to if you want to build solidity style stuff right away with atheism is already available. If you want to import Fort Watson which we will That's GONNA be available so super compatible but otherwise it's really going to be about And something that you know we have done it for example Eastern Hasn't done is just bringing the entire theorem states so have the entire tool set is available to them at much higher scale ability available today All there are some rows Ellsworth. EDM So It's not like you know thousand thousand Second but still skills for the east and is available today or will be available Up probably earlier than east to deliver. Now really we're more concerns and we don't want to be killer. We would like to support our own defy We are going to go their own similar. What currently exists defy in our platform but ultimately Look for for all Franken totally frank if you were to grab everybody and their uncle grandmas and everybody in Crypto and you were to actually accumulate all the money in it. I I do not think you would realistically cross a few billion dollars DISREGARD MARKUPS say What is actually crystal is not a large amount of money Serious money has not moved in Norwood really moving anytime soon because the space is not mature enough is that it's not really solving the problem. Ultimately the finance guys in all they want their problems to be solved and Bitcoin does not solve the financial guys. Problems like it doesn't solve. Any of the bills may be solves the problem of how do I pay for some drugs right now. quickly maybe and even then is on the greatest thing but otherwise other big problems So something thing that we really are doing for our benefit and likely speaking for the benefit of the entire space is is on board really. Think hard about the real problem solving finance and and go after those and bring those guys in And then grew from there. I mean yeah we just really want to grow the Pie not really Vena theorem killer but of course now we do want attention from developers and We just WANNA be developer friendly. So that means backward compatibility about ability that means having Miller with like remix all these tools they literally work out box with a theorem So you can use it just a faster version of the theorem which is which is Kinda cool But ultimately that's not going to be the biggest selling point Because just theorem is not suffering from scale ability right now It's not the biggest Biggest issue I think it doesn't solve any other problems because originally It wasn't that big trying to solve finances problems. Bit Will. Big Win was trying to identify the finance. Was the problem so I think think. That's probably why it's not solving any of those problems. No it definitely finances a problem. There's no question about it And I think as I mentioned you know finance this mess of of of of Our analog Spaghetti Code on Steroids it definitely needs to change And bitcoin pointed fingers but it offered no solution to anything so I think the entire space point fingers proudly outlay but while trying to point fingers. I think he was just too lost in the weeds. And we're At a point where everybody just bickering twitter and You know do whatever it would be word Heimer singlehandedly. Take him down and all that stuff. It's just the homeless so I don't know doing at has bigger problems. Alvin scale ability like woody Wertheimer. So we'll see we'll see how that goes. Do you find that yet to spend way too much time on twitter. When you work in Crypto? I guess both the is I would love to do nothing but never go on twitter. It's so draining. It really is built products man as I. I WANNA do that. I can't but here's the problem that if we don't if we don't grab some attention you get the you get you get others north. There's a marketing aspect to into some of an understand that that that part Twitter in my opinion though is not a serious place it shouldn't be treated as such it has serious consequences gaining attention and clout and understanding from a user base. That wants to know what you're doing is good Talk acidity is not good and so that should be a little more. lighthearted unfunded everyone can agree on. This is the people who are being very toxic. I I I totally agree. I have been for sure very Very guilty of of being not not have never been toxic. But I I have for sure cold out Certain things especially on the crowd which again I love these guys you know. They're they're like why you technically I'm not. I'm just pointing out like very obvious things. They're doing wrong and I just I just unfortunately put it very bluntly I don't try to dance around the issues. I just be he like. Look there's an issue and just everybody look at it so. I'm sure you weren't a physicists. When you were going through academia because it seems like the physics approach to I actually almost got a an undergraduate degree in physics. I didn't finish it but no funny. You should mention. I do have physics back on a little. I've been yeah every single like conference or seminar would go to Like the guy some personal come give a talk about their research the expert in this particular specialized field of some nonsense and they'd give it. It's all very bland presentation slides so on and so forth worth good scientific stuff and at the end at infallibly someone would raise their hands. Basically start sentence off with. I'm not an expert on this. But let me tell you why you're in some cases groups of within break off and start talking about why they were wrong on on a chalkboard next to this person and just completely ignored whatever the hell out of the original speakers I mean I would never so this is very different. From what the acade- The CS academia is in Z as you can make the worst presentation people just. He's not saying anything in applaud at the end of the next person But no I mean I don't think I have ever called out pretty sure I've never called it anybody unless I I knew was doing because I don't like if I swing I don't like missing so it's really bad. Look if you if you swing and miss so Definitely don't like doing that so everybody. Every time I've called out has been like look Either something has been hidden purposefully or It has not been addressed. It's an issue And I think I've just done this with because I know with you in the best not other projects we shall see that I hated theorem. But if I were to actually get into like got like Tron Any of the return. Nothing about China I would be doing nothing but bashing them I'd be like this is crap act like what is this like. There's none of this is. This is good but I just don't have the patience to do any of those guys. Only a theory Turns Out theorem escape goats for a whenever I call allows Certain things that are wrong is there. There's a token right for he. Yes it's it's yeah it's there it's I think it's very elegant designed in sense of he doesn't really get there in anybody's throat. It's very functional token for various aspects. As you may I need otherwise you can infect potentially destroyed a lot of a lot of ways. So if I have token I can access all the blockchain's and or just the one that might hope in. I guess it depends I guess has permissions too. It's all yeah permission. If you have permission Kevin Than You can interact with any blush. Gave Permission. Is there like a golden token has all the permission there is no golden has all the permissions but the AH token is as as close as it gets to it and that one is used for securing things like permission. Networks and for providing atomic annex swaps in the network for you know sort of paying for certain fees and so on album otherwise. Is this really sort of vehicle for a bunch of functionality ability. Yeah like every every seventy three blocks you novel has its own local economy. So it's a little token. You guys have do. You have like the I guess parameters of what that token is like this. She went distribution someone and so forth like we are just quite literally about to finalize. It was just on another writing spree. So we're about to finalize our first ration- of but It's it's it's governable. Renewable is governable. Admitting prosecuted governed in West In his cap supply But otherwise the exact details haven't been finalized hopefully very soon though cool Ford about abby to trust me the is going to be scarce rise GONNA be so many of them he said yes couple. You know if you if you ask economists tests that's That's the kiss of death. You should not do that in no economists look at at Bitcoin is GonNa be like this sound money while because we've try we've gone to every comic con especially at Cornell they like no. This is not sell money why I don't understand it. How's it not sound on money? When it was at one point we do all the way permit or we have different needs of their conversation? Go at this like this is like a whole. It's Taylor I mean I wish I had Our our chief economist. She can give a whole lecture on this. No I mean like the biggest reason why why the. US dollars is is his look for all of the bad that the Fed has some bad mistakes featherstone for sure but for all the mistakes in the past The Fed is actually you know. It provides a critical function and that stimulates the economy when used to be stimulated reduces You Know Oh growth when it's way too aggressive This is a critical function of. This is exactly what he does. And this is not something that you can do with a with a this caps supply token number one and it just doesn't cap supply. Token is the kind which inherently only sort of the has the ability rather has the tendency to be hoarded non circulated around And it's just a different inside the model. So economists have studied this for a long time. so really depending on who you ask if you ask. Economists cap supply. Austrian economics is is very that model I think then be. I think that's worth a longer dive into in a different episode. I'd be I'd be more interested in talking about Eric. Economic models and how different cryptocurrencies try to apply them with varying success rates. Oh absolutely knows we've had this composition position internally many times and the there's fascinating stuff to be talked about in fact probably one of the more fascinating. Conversations crypto is exactly on the on on the on the top Token took an economics. Exactly right I just like really If if you were to ask actually economists with decades of experience in like you know they they know whether doing Very few would fall in the Austrian Austrian model because they understand understand You know there's this book By Dorado a review that That says the principles it. It's all about credit credit cycles in debt cycles and these are critical for for really stimulating growth of economy fast. So you can't really do it outside of lending and borrowing And the only way to do that is through through non-cap supply or at least the only way that we know of Is through something like teaching economics six. So it's worth diving suits. Although years the end result we're going to have a great conversation. If we ever at the end is going to be like well adjusted this your opinion man like your opinion man. I think it's more of a learning process. Second most most the conversations I have in the space. I'm not I'm not planning on either being right or being told that I'm right. It's more about learning more. Subtlety in a lot of these complex systems that we're trying to create so I can think about them better. 'cause the end like you're trying to build something to other people will try to build something new. And until they and the better understanding they have about the they're ridiculous interdisciplinary nature of all of this stuff better. They can run away doing that. It really is and As part of the team designs a whole new one awfully want to be You know pretty well used. I am very anxious. Award Designing lugging have to think about. There's so many things that play into into it in so many design choices that we have to make constantly and So hopefully hopefully we're making the right design choices but we'll see But canonic stuff in as with all things crypto. I have seen very few times where somebody that is so ingrained in something. You don't want you definitely my mind. It never happens tiptoe. It's the fights and then at the end you just sort of like shake your hands and And then just move along and you really just like just like European European man. That's all it is the sodas in the space which is sad but indicates. That's another conversation. Yeah Well Gordon. Where do you have any other questions? I don't think I have gone forever or out of time. So who's making y'all's memes. That's what I want to know. We have we have the ministry ministry. It's literally resource. It's a it's a whole it's a group of people in our community there making them and it's like immune ministries making who's making less. That's now all right. Well thank you for stopping by I like that you guys the thing. That piques is my interest. The most is like you're trying to be layers. Zero one somewhere in in between there because there are a lot of problems with crypto and everybody sees it. I I think if you're on the outside looking in you. Hop in the CRYPTO twitter. Like you'd never come back. It will be one day of like the fuck is going on in there and then you're done in absolutely absolutely we're trying to we're I'll say one thing. You've you've managed to do something that I haven't seen done yet. Which is basically convince Vince Colin that something is good Collins who was my co Co hosts co founder of Hash it out another one technical shows on the network his works for Ova consistently chills it and says so I never really thought anything so could drop me is is is one of our are promised higher Yet now I am very odd to have him. Easy is hard core. Everything's bullshit I only see value things. If they're actually valuable everything else is. Yeah is bullshit so if you say that it does not show real quick. Where can people find you working to learn more? Go and see me. Troll ethereal on twitter at the Kevin Sick Nikki. Hopefully not too much. Trolling uh-huh

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How To Improve Digestion.

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How To Improve Digestion.

"Welcome to today's leave your own feet podcast with Pete and Jamile Jacobs where he to explore the changes, you can expect when changing your diet as health fitness and wellbeing coaches. We are really passionate about saying clients thrive on nutritional changes, style changes. So we just Kinda. Take you through a road map of what he can expect when you change your Diet We find clients do say some. Different symptoms sometimes they're a little bit scared and they don't WanNa go on but thank goodness I do go on and we just want to make sure that your not making those common mistakes as many people. Do you put one foot in front of the other and you continue your health and wellness journey? Yes. So this is the thing that comes up all the time that. Basically you got in your body and everything is in a certain pattern and with the way that you've been aiding and we're just going to talk about few of those things that are affected when you change even if it's for the healthy change, sometimes that feels really terrible and those are the symptoms that we're going to talk about today to Nikic Cleef you want starting to feel bad even if you're eating healthy foods and sometimes what you think is healthy foods is not actually healthy of the year that we need to von I what it means when we say a healthy dot version of a healthy dot. Yes. So Al Vision is lots of nutrient dense. Quality Foods. So that means quality proteins in the forms of mate fish and eggs you're looking at you know yummy visuals in the foams of your grains and you'll low a carbohydrate visuals and then in terms of Um fats ox. oxidized facet aunt inflammatory, and that a full of lots of good Amiga three anti-inflammatory properties. So if you don't currently a Mate fish and eggs like as your primary source of protein and fats at the majority of your meals. And maybe you've tried it before and said I can't go on Oh maybe you at trying it now and not feeling comfortable making those changes and adding in more of those proteins. His some of the reasons why that might be happening. Well some of the symptoms I find people can experience. very much are some bloating and discomfort perhaps when they re introducing some mate back into their diets especially if they're having something like stike or a chicken breast as not necessarily slow cooked and doesn't have much liquid to it so they can experience dislike of the taste indigestion bloating their bowel movements may be Ada infrequent or more frequent and may have gas skinny. She's aches and pains or they may gain weight. Paint can explain a little more now. Yeah well, I I just want to take a step back and say if you have any issues of anything less than absolutely perfect health, which I'd be surprised to meet somebody who had absolutely perfect health. Then You need to understand the big picture means that if you're having perfect health and all your cells, whole minds are also a little less than perfect as well because everything is connected. So always think about the big picture view and everything coming to understanding your health and what matters is going to be much much easier to understand less anxious and less kind of wasting. Your time focusing on the small little things if you've got less than perfect health is a good chance. Your digestion is going to be less than perfect also, but there's so many layers to what that means. That could mean that your gut mach bomb is totally unbalanced and it's all around the sugars and that you've been eating and you've got my car bomb just. Have, expanded and Growin based on sugar. So you've got that type of. Bacteria and you got other things maybe that you haven't been eating your well because your health is out of whack, you may also have a good functioning liver could functioning lobe Goldblatt Ada, and that means you're not going to digest fats very well you also I don't producing good hydrochloric acid so you. Digest the proteins very well. You also might be experiencing Lakey because of high levels of some plant toxins. Plant compounds can also cause autoimmune reactions. You may also have a histamine intolerance You may have a reaction or deficiencies caused by some of those plant toxins like oxalate, Lipton's fodder acids enzyme in hit it is inhibited Tannin's fiber and the plant list does kate going on and on sulfates. And then there's an intolerance or complete inability to digest what some humans can such as dairy dairy I want a to Kane and lactose the dairy sugar or you may experience a really imbalance of electrolytes and B. Really lacking in magnesium and sodium as well. So these are some of the things that could be causing you to feel fatigued physical pain discomfort bloating all the things John, mentioned before. At in the over training. So if someone's doing a lot of high intensity training or a lot of training the hate and sweating a lot, they'll experience all of the above symptoms pay despite a bath. So. Maybe we'll just go into a case study and just say, Hey, let's imagine John. and he's a guy who likes to and quite solid, but he's also ban on a fairly high carbohydrate dot. He's ended up not aiding much fruit much protein over the last several years. Maybe it's just because he's family also doesn't eight it, which is always a big influence. And he's just fall into that habit as well. So when you're eating more processed carbohydrates basically. All right. Basically, he was snacking on a lot of fruit. Each day he was having panic attacks is addicted to fruit. He had to stop training doing the you know the I man in seventy point three distances because he had such bad ibs digestive issues. Well, yes. So perfect we have got. So you imagine now the. He's we said him. Okay. You really need to start increasing your vitamins and minerals because that is the point of food food is for the vitamins and minerals and proteins and fats that are essential for body to repair and rebuild. Kaba hydrates a totally not essential for our loss, but we do need proteins and fats and the vitamins and minerals. So that is why we ate and that is what we need to get from. and. The less of those things that you need those essential things that we need the less of them you eight you do end up eating more of the other. So is that the other thing is worse or is it just the the other thing is replacing the good thing and definitely both like you can't separate one tap the other it's a cofactor thing and everybody's going to be different with what happens. So let's say. This God John for example that We then say, okay, you need to start eating more protein and you need to get that level of on you need to rebuild Rabo John because your on levels alot. That through a blood test. And so then he starts to have any says, aw, it's hard to digest and I'm not feeling so good and one of the reasons why that's happening is the hydrochloric acid is not being produced because of his current state of poll health and stress. So stress is poor health healthy stress. It's your body and your cells not doing what they should and reacting and connecting communicating in the way they should. So he's body's not producing the hydrochloric acid. And a lot of people actually think that acid reflux is too much acid in your stomach it's actually the opposite. It's not enough to digest the food, and then therefore you get other flow on reactions that go into the. Down to the next level in the next layer and get digested as it should all the way through to bow so. We can think about that. Okay, we go. Okay. Well, now you just take a little bit of time of backing off your Kaba hydrates processed foods and the high fruit intake so that you'll got marker change a little bit of a time like down in your intestinal level. The hydrochloric acid live Lila will improve as your liver function improves with less alcohol less. Than sugars and a healthy lost all less stress better sleep better hormone balance over time with everything else improving like slate particles and those sort of factors and Vitton then gallbladder kicks in as well to help digest the fats and so on and so on. This waterfall cascade effect, all of how one thing improves improves the next and the reverse is also true unfortunately as one thing falters, the next thing falls apart and. So on and so on. So we're always in a always think of us where we're always in a negative sokoll and everything's kind of impeding the next thing over in a positive sokoll and h thing is working as it should and switching on the next step of body and function. So I think a few mistakes I say, a lot of people make when they decide to change their diet and do something more towards a. Whole food real food lower carbohydrate type protocol is they weren't be really diligent with electrolytes and have an electrolyte pro protocols that something that we really work with clients on and we ask John at fictional character. That's really a real character of mine Really really dialing in things like you know you saw DM and making sure you're having that say salt throughout the day or any salt tablets in training and you magnesium and. Potassium and some other supplements that we weren't so much going to today but you've got to be really on top of that. Otherwise, you will feel fatigued when you taking the carbohydrates out of you diet but you've also got to make sure that your fitness programming is on k. two because I worked with the fellow with Jones coach at the time and just made sure that we did more aerobic based foundational type. Building block stages while he was transitioning from a sugar, burn more into that fat burning. Athlete SORTA stage. So you don't want to be stressing your body at asking for it to do something. It hasn't done before and putting stress on it with you workouts and then putting stress on it with the style change. Also and One point on supplements head down and mention it is supplements often something that you need to do feel. So magnesium, you can kind of just take daily inside him daily but how much is can be done by feel as well but a lot of your other supplements that. Mainly feel because the science isn't always there and it's not you that the signs did the research on. It's a few people in another country at another time and I didn't have your lifestyle and I didn't eight what you I-. Supplemental Research Quite tricky to base your protocol on. It's a good thing though to dow every now and then go okay if I take these, do I feel Betta or did I not feel better? So that's an easy one thing things like the sodium. So you stay. So any magnesium a very easy. You WanNa be if you low a magnesium you WANNA lace be having around six hundred. Milligrams of magnesium and make. A. Maintenance dose of around four hundred and beverly. Diligent. And then with your sodium Yeah. Make sure you being diligent. We'd one to two teaspoons of some. People that have had. Atrial fibrillation. So the hot rights going incredibly high. And they've found out in that they would well, they know what they were doing. That would training incredibly hot. That will working odd. That was sweating a lot that would drinking alcohol and then they had atrial fibrillation and it comes back to. Electrolyte. Deficiency. Always, particularly magnesium. So you don't want to get magnesium down particularly are going to be sweating a lot and you don't want to get atrial fibrillation which nobody really does I wanNA bring up another. A fictional character sally, and this is actually a client that I had who is guy. Had this that will say this that will say this is Sally and So raw grain smoothies. Pay was where he came to me when he was already been low carb for a long talk, he'd spent time in South Africa, which is being around for the low COBB, banting protocols for many many many years, and so he'd been into a long time but he hadn't lost the white he was trying pretty well and I. Didn't want to push the grain smoothie and cutting it out because grain smoothies can be so high in. So many of these plant toxins that can be causing inflammation. He turned out that he actually got a gastro bug at some from some way. So he couldn't really eat anything and I. Basically, that was the time where we went awry. Back on the grain smoothies stop having the coconut milk and the smoothie and the protein powder just get back into real food and basically just basic mate and basic Mayton Basic Veja didn't even put back in. He has now a little bit but he felt absolutely amazing. He caught out that grow grain smoothie and that's a big thing because the Layton's and oxo lights such high levels in things like rural spinach role Broccoli, they do decrease a little bit when you cook them but it's still one of those things where you can be easily overdoing it thinking that you're doing something really good for yourself and actually may be still doing you a lot of. Negative response in your body. So That's something that can change. So let's imagine. The Gut microbiome a back to that and how that changes as dodge changes. So as you cut out sugars and you start eating proteins and fats that you can't change your marker bombed by taking a couple of tablets of blessed is sisters. So the The good stuff. The blastocyst is on nights of the bad stuff that I had a bad bacteria which I never got rid of is far as I know. But I feel amazing and my poos of never been better despite the use of getting tests and. naturopathy telling me to take antibiotics for that and all I still had it. But anyway, it's not. My guts no longer Nisha because I changed what I was aiding and that changed what bacteria was in my gut. So it's very difficult to I'd just want to eliminate this whole bacteria and I should just get rid of it when really it's No let's change what I'm eating. So the bacteria changes don't work the other way around which is what I was doing all this medical advice several or fifteen years ago up until even just sort of five years ago four years ago still getting told to go do. Stool tests and just back to sally because Sally's a real client sally actually went on to have. He's best ever I'm man. He drove sixteen kilos, four inches around his waist and he went back to feeling Lucky Dini's twenties or even Feta He's twenty and he says getting better and better as he gets older. Feeder and faster. Also so That was really exciting to just it was so easy and it clicked him and. And it will for everybody else once you kind of get to that point of I need to test these and I need to test that and understand that it's not always gonNA feel amazing. The first time you have something that you haven't Eytan Awhile and lock was having. A having three or four days where you just junk food and alcohol, and all of that can actually impact for quite a long time. Con- expect to have one day off. Training on the Monday and get back into it feeling amazing on the Tuesday, it can really alter a lot of things in your body and cause a lot of inflammation that can last for weeks. And so there are things that can change in a few days. There are things that can change in two weeks is a really good time frame. Hence, while we do at first initial elimination protocol is two weeks long, and then we go from the depending on as talking about the lions that we uncover as Alcoa's progress and. It may take a year and it may take two years to get rid of oxidized fats which hang around in your cells, and basically you voted white for those cells to get replaced naturally over time. But there are certain things you can do to help that speed spade that replacement of selves Autophagy, and there's a few things you can do to improve that, and so it's also something that becoming really fat adapted. Can Happen for people in a few days. And then to get more fat adapted as a few weeks and benefactor death, it is a few months and then really really well fat adapted is maybe a year and a half or even longer because it's not just switch on the fat and the fat is now my fuel, there's a lot of. COFACTORS that are also data to produce energy, and that's when we come back to the vitamins and Minerals Bank. So important for because, they are co factors for the production of energy. So that's why you wait food. You ate food to the cofactors of energy and cell signalling you eight carbohydrates to give you that rocket fuel because that's not how it works. You give your body's the vitamins and minerals, and the proteins and fats. So you get avalos ability to produce great amounts of energy and you Monica Andrea all the time. So yeah those those other parkways. When Pete's talking about this it doesn't mean that you never eight forever a game Know h everyone is totally divorced. Yeah, some people my age you know an apple and they weren't necessarily have a blood sugar cars spike. Another person may eight apple, and now experience a biggest by everyone's is very individual. So the There's lots of other chemical reactions that go into producing energy. So it's not just vitamins but then there's all these other chemicals that create energy through those fat pathways that get improved over time. That's why it can take a long time, but we're on the blood sugar level. Sorry. That just helps with someone wanting to feel good throughout the day. So we're talking about you know when you change your diet often you can feel quite dodgy quite fatigue quite tied, but you can change that by thinking okay. What foods are going despite my blood sugar levels even more. All, stay away from those words and so you you'd be staying away from things like you know you're what potatoes you. Sweet potato you breads pastas your lollies and GP sticking more towards everything. We've been talking about your healthy fats in your retains just to make sure that consistent energy throughout the day. I'm not spiking whole mines along with the blood sugar. So think we've covered the main things like we go more into the problems of. Plants inhibiting absorption. So not only do they not have many available nutrients. In them. So Spinach has non Heyman and the spinach. Then self inhibits the absorption of that non hayme on. So you kind of aiding something thinking get the on the planet Sophie's inhibiting the on absorption so On a really good thing to test and you know you can also become the fatty acid in a lot of Said's nuts can also inhibit the absorption of. False verse on and Zinc Magnesium and calcium. So some really crucial minerals. That become a bit of an issue. So Basically, a hope we've covered everything that we wanted to around. There's so many layers to wine some things. That you think a healthy I'm not healthy. And why some things that are healthy will feel unhealthy when you first change our ever to that to our version of a healthy diet and you need to get those proteins and fats back in. So there's quite a few things that you just have to stick it out. So when you lowering carbohydrates, body will start to get healthier straightaway. All of those organs were better and healthier in low. Low blood. Glucose low insulin state. So in blood sugar's a high insulin, then goes up all your organs are under stress don't function as well. So those are the things that are going to help to digest fats and proteins and help you absorb the minerals and vitamins lower down in your intestines without those at large amount of plant toxins. So just came on the moderation what makes you feel good, and then at the same time if it doesn't make you feel good but it's you know it's the healthier path then you just have to stick it out for. A little while and this changes you can make so I definitely if you haven't had red mate for awhile, I wouldn't be having a barbecued steak I'd be having a slow cooked brisket or some awesome lamb shanks old means it's much easier for you to digest, and also as we mentioned that the taste of things as well getting your taste back for those foods changing tastes from loving sugar sweet stuff to locking the taste of May and I mean, I personally don't eight a lot of state because I love mushy food. So I love means I love slow cooked mates. I love my teen Salmon Mashed up with a bit of Balsamic I love mushy foods and. So just go with what you enjoy and find based version of the healthiest foods that you enjoy. And that you can tolerate well at this point in your journey because it's always going to change and my journey's change a hell of a lot. There was a time where he's domains even were a problem. So H mate was out and even also fats was a problem much fact. Yeah can't fish with high histamine and fats would go straight through me you know a any fat would go straight through me and now I'm no matter what I ate no matter how much fat or how much protein. Everything's just regularize. Things do take time is is what we're trying to get across here. You always get some feedback sodas leave you with feedback. You can say if what you're eating working after a couple of weeks you'll skin will clear up any blemishes had especially around that hormone area. If you change that will clear up you won't feel sorry irritable is always fade back going. To be a lot happier as well. Yeah. Thanks time and yeah excellent Pines will disappear and your indigestion and bloating will go away if you're aiding what you should be eating and like we said once you're adapted the that close once you're adapted. So I give it time. If you're putting the proteins backing because you cannot live without those essential proteins and essential facts. Thanks for listening. 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How the Gallbladder Impacts Digestion

Dishing Up Nutrition

43:56 min | 2 years ago

How the Gallbladder Impacts Digestion

"Welcome to dishing up nutrition with license nutritionists and dietitians from nutritional weight and wellness weeks plane, the connection between what you eat. And how you feel stay tuned for practical real life solutions for healthier, living through real food nutrition down. You got to make the mom last just kicking down the cobblestone fund. Crew? Welcome to dishing up nutrition. This show is brought to you by nutritional weight and wellness, and I'm not going to beat around the Bush this morning at all. I'm just going to tell you right off what our topic is because I know it's a topic that will resonate with many of you. Our topic today is how the gallbladder impacts digestion. I am Cassie Wenas. I'm a registered and licensed, dietitian are longtime listeners know my back story, which is that my big focus in life right now, is being a mom to my to middle schoolers, who only have two days of school left, can you believe that I can't believe it's June first crazy. So that's where my big focus is a lot of, you know, that both of my kids, have multiple food allergies and so just cooking for them and, and staying on top of all of their social activities and sleepovers birthday parties and extracurricular activities keeps me on the goal. I. Do also really enjoy teaching a variety of different nutrition classes to businesses and community groups throughout the Minneapolis, Saint Paul area. And I do that on behalf of nutritional weight and wellness. And in studio with me today, I have as my co host. Kara Carper, who is also a mom, and she's also a licensed nutritionist with a master's degree in holistic health, and I'm gonna turn the radio over to her in a minute to tell you a little bit about her. But I'm just so excited to be in studio with you today because it's been a really long time. I saw you at the nutrition conference, so. Yeah, good tabby here and good morning to all of our wonderful listeners. And like Cassie said, we have a topic of interest today on how the gall bladder impacts digestion, you know, gall, bladder problems are one of the most common digestive diseases in the United States about a million cases are diagnosed every year billions of dollars. Hours are spent on gallbladder treatment today. We want to explore some possible symptoms of having a gallbladder problem. We'll, you know, we'll spend a brief amount of time on the symptoms because what we really want to focus, the majority of our time on is what food and what supplements are really going to help people with their digestion, after they've needed to get their gallbladder removed because let's be honest, we hear that all the time you had to have several family members. I have some friends even some colleagues, you know, who have had their gallbladder removed. So a lot of people are struggling so we really want to focus on what those people can do. And I think this is the first time we've really focused on this aspect of it like, okay, you've now you've had it removed. We can't put a back in now. What so, and I know many of, you listening have had your gallbladder removed. And if you have you might remember your doctor, telling you, how you don't really need that gallbladder. Anyway, let's. Just take it out. I've heard that story so many times, and I can't say that I agree with that statement. Our gallbladder does have a purpose. I think maybe what the doctor is trying to say is you won't die. If I take your gall bladder out, and I will say, I have met people who don't seem to have any digestive issues after they have their gallbladder removed. But I've met many more people that have a lot of problems after that gallbladder is gone. Some people have more problems after it's gone than they had before the surgery and has dietitians and nutritionists at nutritional weight and wellness. We specialize in helping people who are experiencing digestive issues for all kinds of different reasons. And when it comes to the gallbladder, we usually are quite successful in helping people after that gallbladder removal surgery. Of course, we prefer that people keep it if they can. But they don't find nutritional weight and wellness until after. They've had the surgery. And so then that's what we have to address. That's right. That's right. So we will we will certainly spend some time giving tips on the prevention of needing to have your water remove, but so we're going to cover, you know, a few different aspects of this today. But let's first talk about some of the symptoms that people experience when having what we call a gallbladder attack oftentimes people will have nausea vomiting, gas, burping belching in the pain can be very excruciating. The pain can often last for anywhere from fifteen minutes up to twenty four hours in this pain is typically in the right side of the chest just below the ribcage it can go into the shoulder. Blade also into the back usually by this point when someone's having this excruciating pain called a gall bladder attack, surgery really might be needed. And if you or your family have had an attack you really know what we're talking about with this. Agonizing pain. Yes, I can only imagine having had kidney stones. I can imagine. It's, it's on that same level similar. Yeah. Really, really excruciating. You know, I mentioned just a minute ago that I firmly believe that, that gallbladder has a reason. So let's talk a little bit about that. What does the gallbladder actually do? Well, the primary function of the gallbladder is to store, bile. So you've probably heard that word before. Our liver makes bile, bile is needed for digestion digesting fats, mostly. But we also used bio today just protein in part, now the digestion takes place in the small intestines, but let's back up our gallbladder excuse me. Our liver start with the liver. The liver makes the bile, the bio, then gets transported to the gallbladder, the gallbladder is sort of like a storage tank for the bile. And then when we eat, especially if we eat a high. High fat, high protein meal, then the gallbladder is responsible for secreting just the right amount into our small intestine, just the right amount of bio in order to break down and digest that particular meal. So what you're saying. Cassie is if somebody has a meal with fat and protein, mostly the, you know, the, the fat the fat, I'm thinking of my brother sent home. Some Rubai steaks from the ranch when we were home, great example. And I grilled those up yet because that's a fatty meat. So you get a little bit of both you need a lot of bile, so depending on the amount of fat and the protein that someone is ingesting, then the liver is going to be secreting this bile, it goes into the storage tank the gall bladder. And then that's kind of trickled in, according to how much is needed based on how much fat and protein was eaten. Exactly. So, you know, your gallbladder is, is pretty precise bidding. Now just the right the right amount based on what we ate when. So when the gallbladders removed, there's almost no most excuse me, starch tank, but the liver is still going to be making bile for digestion. However, because there's no storage tank. There's really just a slow constant drip of the bile into the small intestines. There's no longer a controller. There's no longer a regulator of the amount of bile that's needed for each meal based on what we ate. So that may be what is causing digestive problems after the gallbladder removal, depending on what the person's eating his. Now, think about eating a rib eye steak and you just have this really slow. Drip, like you said coming straight from the liver. Yeah. And you're doing you're going to need more, bile for a meal like that race. Small trickle is not enough. So if you if somebody has that meal with more fat and more protein that slow drip. Lately will not be able to break down that fat and protein and there could be symptoms, like we had just talked about gas, bloating diarrhea loose. Stool is very common. There may be some heartburn as well. Right. Right. So hopefully listeners are connecting the dots is, is this happening to you, and I want to talk a little bit about who is more prone to have gall bladder issues. Unfortunately, for you and I were women are more at risk of having gallbladder problems. And when we look at that segment of the population in particular, meaning women during pregnancy, enduring menopause, gallbladder problems seemed to happen, more often. So think about what that tells us that would tell us that hormones play unimportant role in the development of gallbladder issues, and that may help you understand why this can happen to women when women are. Pregnant, there's a decrease in stomach acid, which is really interesting. So a lot of pregnant women tend to experience digestive disorders and so to get rid of the symptoms. They may be prescribed acid, reducing medication or purchase it over the counter, and it's that combination of the acid blockers, along with that high estrogen during pregnancy, that can increase the likeliness of gallbladder problems. And so, I think after break, maybe we could touch a little bit more on why people need hydrochloric acid and acid blockers are kind of doing the opposite. Yes. Great point. 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I'm here with Cassie Wenas today, and Cassie is a reg registered dietitian. I'm a licensed nutritionists and certified nutrition specialists. And Cassie shared how long she's been co hosting the show, and we were just chatting, and I've been coast hosting the show for twelve years, which I didn't realize it had been that long, one of the goals that we have for the dishing up nutrition radio show, and our podcasts. We really want to deliver quality well researched information another goal, of course, is to hopefully. Inspire you listeners to eat better, which is going to help you to feel better. So if you're reaching for a slice of pizza, you know, I don't know if people know how much sugar is actually in pizza with the combination of bad fats. We all want you to be thinking about dishing up nutrition. So you might just pull pullback your hand and say, all those. Those gals at nutritional weight and wellness told me that pizza has sugar in bad fats. It's not a health food. I am able to make a better choice, right? What we want us to be in your head during those time, your conscience or your conscience in your head. And I know I mean, there are times for me when I get tempted. But I think no who am I work at nutritional weight and wellness. That's not a good food for me. And it's become such a good habit for me. I don't know about, you car, but pizza ice cream those types of things if I get a little urge than, I think, okay, a moment on my lips. It's going to taste good. And then I'm gonna feel like crap, which is the truth. If I spike, my blood sugar and then it falls I feel awful. Right. Not worth it for some people. It might be about the waits for some for a lot of people. It's about how you feel after you eat food like that. I would need to take an app FAA righty slices. Because my blush, I mean, and I am not even exaggerating. And, and I don't have time for a nap unfortunately, so so before we went to break, we were talking about people that are more prone to getting or to having gall bladder problems. I want to mention one that came to mind as we were at break, and that is people with low thyroid function. So maybe you've been told you have low thyroid function. Or maybe they've even said Hypo thyroid, some people have a particular type of hypothyroid called Hashimoto's disease. All of these can contribute to a slower functioning of your gall bladder. And then when you think about it, it's sort of like the bile stagnates in the gallbladder because it's not working as a fishing as it should. And so you kind of get this thick sludgy bile and that can sit in your gall, bladder, and eventually gallstones can form, you know. So, again, think about is your thyroid. Royd at the root cause of of your problems here. Some, some common body signs of low thyroid would be hair loss. And you reminded me Kara in the break room before we went on air, losing the outer third of your eyebrow, which goes along with hair loss on your head sort of, that can be sure sign of low thyroid for many people fatigue being cold. Especially if the extremities like your hands and your feet are cold. Those are all signs of low thyroid function, and that could in turn be causing your gall bladder issues, which caused a of problems. It's all it's all connected. And I really encourage any of you listening that think your thyroid might be contributing to your gall bladder problems gold back to our past podcasts and listen to the August. Twenty seven two thousand eighteen show. We had a special guest on that was an Louise, Gettleman and the title of that show was radical mature. Tabacum but she really talks more in depth about this connection with the thyroid and the gallbladder. And then how that can contribute to unwanted weight gain as well. I'm glad you brought that up because we can only give so much time today on the thyroid gallbladder connection. And so if somebody's suspecting that they can get a lot more information from just listening to that, wonderful podcast, that was a fascinating show. Thank for bringing that up. You are welcome. So in addition to thyroid, low thyroid hypothyroidism being connected to gall bladder issues, we had touched on another reason for gallbladder problems is that low stomach acid, and I had mentioned that because when pregnant, you know, when women are pregnant, they really tend to have decreased stomach acid, and a lot of them will go on the acid blockers, which is not the answer almost all the time. Because we really do need stomach acid. So there are so many people who are taking these acid reducing medications, not realizing that the gallbladder actually needs hydrochloric acid, defunct Shen, and it needs to function. Well, so with these acid reducing medications, and maybe we could just list off a couple. I know there's crevice said, private silo sack Nexium, Zantac, Moi's, dark over the counter these days. Yes. And so these acid reducing medications obviously, they reduced or black the acid production. And again, if the gallbladder needs, this hydrochloric acid to function, this is gonna put somebody at risk for getting gallstones. Right. I mean I just don't get me on my cell box about those acid reducing medications because Riley was put on those very very young before. I figured out his that's my son before I figured out his Sealy act disease. So I've done quite a bit of research on acid blockers, like private second, provice said, so many bad side effects when you use them long term like you mentioned one, which could be gallstones, but they can also cause osteoperosis used long-term. They can cause memory loss. They can cause oh I'm trying to think of some of the other top ones, those are some biggies right there. Gallstones osteoporosis, b twelve deficiency. So really, if you are taking an acid blocker long-term, I think what car and I are trying to say here is get to the bottom of that problem because that will help you stave off gallstones, hopefully, but also, you know, your body's trying to tell you something if you're having heartburn, and, and it's not trying to tell you that you're low in private sex, something else is going. It's often. You know a food that someone's eating that they're sensitive to very often. They'll get into that root cause is really important. Yeah. Or else other things are going to start to go wrong, as well. Yeah. Okay. Back to our question. What else can cause gallstones or what can cause an inflamed gallbladder? Well, here's another one. Studies have found that food sensitivities for some people are directly related to gallstones and to gall, gallbladder inflammation. One example, that I think we don't talk about enough is eggs eggs, are actually, one of the most common food sensitivities are food allergies. Especially when we look at people with gallbladder issues. In fact, I was reading a study getting ready for this show that said ninety five percent ninety five percent of gall bladder suffers who eat eggs will have a negative reaction to them. That is so interesting. It is we don't talk a lot about sensitively. No, because. We're always saying, how good are, and how healthy they are. And if you don't have a sensitivity to them, they are. But again, they are a highly allergenic food for a lot of people, another category would be dairy, a lot of people have a dairy sensitivity or a dairy allergy. So that's things like cow's milk, and ice cream and cheese. And then, of course, the grains, and we talk about that quite a bit. How gluten grains, especially the wheat barley, the ri-, most oats, those grains, can really inflame the bladder, the gallbladder, excuse me. They could inflame the bladder to show any organ. Exactly. You know, and I on that note, I want to share some words of wisdom from my cousin back in North Dakota. Who had her gallbladder removed years ago before she discovered nutritional weight and wellness, but I can see it's about time to go to commercial. So. Oh, stay with us because I'll share those words of wisdom on the other side of break. You're listening to dishing up nutrition. I have just a little food for thought here before we go to commercial. I wanna share a pretty attention grabbing statement that I recently read, and it goes like this. We spend hundreds of billions, that's with a b hundreds of billions of dollars a year in this country on disease care, and virtually nothing on prevention from illness or disease. Now, I also want you to think about this, how much attention do pet owners pay to nutrition for their dog or maybe for their cat or how much attention to farmers pay to nutrition for their livestock, having grown up on a ranch in North Dakota. I know how much time and money was spent on quality food for the cattle now in comparison home, much attention is being. Given to the nutrition of our kids with the rise of ADHD, and asthma, and diabetes and cancer, heart disease, and obesity. I really think now is the time to learn as much about nutrition as we possibly can, and even for me as a registered dietitian. I'm learning something new every week. And if you wanna learn something new or several something's join us for some of our weight, and wellness classes. You'll learn more about nutrition, and you'll become a part of a nutrition community. And in just a couple minutes when we get back from this break, Kara will share information about some of these upcoming classes. So stay with us. We'll be right back. Welcome back. You're listening to dishing up nutrition starting the week of June third. We're going to be offering our nutrition for weight loss series at all seven of our locations. Now I like to read a few comments from a client who took. The series last fall. One of the questions we always ask our participants is. Why did you choose the nutrition for weight loss program and her answer was it was because of the education of the how, and the why of the food and how it works with our body? I was able to eat my own food instead of needing to buy prepackaged food that other weight loss programs provided and the dishing up nutrition podcasts were a big influence to so after completing the twelve weeks series. She said my joints don't ache my energy level is up. I don't get tired during the day and as a bonus. I lost ten pounds, I recommended this program to all my friends so that was her testimonial after taking the series. Let's pretty amazing. That's a lot of benefit that is. But that's so common, it had people get done with that series better energy, that their joints, donate. I mean, that is all so common. I I love it. That's why I love to work here because the r-. Results are amazing now before we went to break I was saying that I wanted to share some words of wisdom with you for my cousin back in North Dakota. She had her gallbladder removed years before she discovered the power of eating the nutritional weight, and wellness way. So I reached out to my cousin Patty in preparing for the show, and I have to say the very first thing she said was, I would definitely recommend to all of your listeners, not to have their gallbladder removed. But we do know that some people many people listening have already had that organ removed. And so what do we do now? So I wanna share with you that my cousin Patty. And I think this is common with many people said, that in hindsight, it wasn't really her gallbladder. That was the problem. It was all of the gluten, and the processed carbs, so processed carbs are things like bread and pasta bagels and chips. It was those things and the gluten that she was. Eating these were causing inflammation for her in her gallbladder. So what I want to say to the listeners is, if you are listening, and you're having gallbladder, like symptoms, the nausea, the indigestion, maybe even diarrhea I stop. And think when are these symptoms, flaring, the most is it after eating pizza? Or maybe it's after you stop at the coffee shop in order that big blueberry. Muffin to go with your Cup of caffeine the pizza the muffins, the pasta the bread these are all processed carbs, and they're all sources of gluten, and you might be like my cousin and be inflaming your gall bladder with these food choices. So it, it really sounds like those foods that she didn't know she was sensitive to creating all these digestive issues. Yes. And the doctor was, I think, sort of at his wit's end and said, I mcdonagh, I remember waiting. Mcgaw monir. Let's try to gallbladder out we. We have heard that sim- similar story before, from others. Yes. It sometimes it surprises people to learn that it is the processed foods that are high in sugar or flour, and bad fats, in a lot of foods have that combination. But those types of foods really are the biggest cause in the rise that we're seeing in gall, bladder issues isolated cultures or cultures who don't have like this western or modern civilization and they don't have processed foods in their diet. They don't have gall water problems. It's a very call it like a westernized disease, right? A lot of cultures don't even know what a gallbladder attack would be for my own clinical experience. I have found that when I had clients, remove bad fats such as trans fats or refined oils from their diets their goal, bladder function, improved and at nutritional weight and wellness. We really believe that the removal of sugar flour, and those refined oils is critical for healing the gallbladder or actually for healing the whole body. But we're talking about gallbladder today, and I just want to touch on, when we say refined oils Cassie the oils that we're talking about, you know, this. There are four biggies soybean, corn, cottonseed and canola. And I actually I would throw sunflower in there as well as a refined oil. Yes. Yes. And they're I mean, go to your kitchen cabinets, they are in so many products kind of oil would also be a refined oil. Right. Right. And these are inflammatory for the gallbladder. So if you still have your gallbladder and you're having digestive issues. Get these bad oils out now and see if that doesn't really calm down that inflammation. But now I think we need to move on and talk about what should you eat after you've already. Had your gallbladder removed because like I said, we, we can't put it back in any more. So if you're sitting listening and you don't have a gallbladder. What can you do so that you don't have the diarrhea and the bloating, the nausea, some people have constipation? Well, I think the first food group to really examine carefully is what we have just been talking about. And that's fats. I think a lot of times after gallbladder removal surgery. People are told to eat low fat, and I get the science there of what the doctor is saying, but we know that fats are so critical to so many different aspects of your health, so you don't wanna cut out fats, but you want to stop eating the refined damaged fats those ones that we just mentioned pot and seed oil corn. Oil soybean oil, canola oil and, you know, they're ubiquitous here in America, what are some of the foods that come to top of mind, car that have these bad fats. Well, the first thing that comes. My mind it'd be something like French fries, or the equivalent of French fries. Anything that's deep fat fried from mostly from restaurants and fast food places. But even some of those freezer foods, you know, people might think that it's healthier to go to the frozen island by frozen French fries, but you have to be looking at ingredients and looking what is being used to fry those, and it usually is going to be canola soybean, or corn in those really fall under the category of damaged refined oils, they're really hard to digest. And when the oil is heated over and over throughout the day, like in the fast food environment. It's actually a, a ransom like an oxidized type product. So for most people something like French fries are just going to be very difficult to digest and breakdown. It almost impossible to digest, if you don't have a gallbladder, so I would say any when you say. What comes to mind any deep fried food that's being fried in a bad oil? Yes. And, and they are found very frequently at our restaurants, aren't they now, if any of you listening are really sad. Maybe shedding a tear because car is saying, you can't have French fries anymore. I just wanted to give out a quick and healthy way to get a French fry fix by those little fingerling potatoes. You know, those little long skinny potatoes thinly sliced them up, and you can toss them in either a little avocado oil or I like to toss them in coconut oil. And then I like to put salt and pepper on their bake those at three hundred and fifty degrees for about twenty minutes until they get crispy. They're you know, they're easy to digest, because they have the healthy fat, but they have that crispness, and they are really tasty, and we have found from clinical experience, Cassie you. And I both have that people cannot digest these refined oils when they. Don't have a gallbladder, but there are healthy fats that are much easier to digest in. Those are healing fat such as coconut oil, olive oil, avocado oil and even something like gay or g it's spelled V, H E. It's sort of like a clarified butter. Those can be used and not create digestive distress. And we want you to eat healthy fats. We need those for good brain health. Good skin health, so many aspects of our health, but just get out the bad fats, you know, thinking of so what foods can cause that digestive distress, especially after the gallbladder has been removed something that comes to my mind are those big commercial muffins. You know, the kind I mean, there at the restaurant, there are certainly in the bakery. They're even if you go into pay for gas, they're always sitting right there, where you have to look at them. Acting. I mean, they, they call your name, you know, I heard it said once and I know this is true that sense. The inception of the Muffin, it has tripled in size here in America. So what that tells us is it is way too much sugar fits tripled in size, and we know it's made with flour, it's turning to too much sugar. Plus it's made with bad oils. I guarantee you, if you're buying a Muffin and not baking it yourself. It has either soybean oil or cottonseed oil or maybe both. So it's no wonder that a lot of people have heartburn and indigestion after eating these Botton muffins. And I cannot believe we already have to go to our vines going fast today is flying by if you've just recently tuned in. I'm cassie. I'm in studio with Kara my co host, and we're here on dishing up nutrition talking about how your gallbladder affects digestion with that. I'm going to go off on. Sort of a complete tangent before we had to commercial and share with you a random question that we so often get from our female clients. That question is, why am I suddenly getting a bunch of facial hair? Some of you are laughing, but some of you are really relating. So if this is you what can you do? Well, let me tell you some possible reasons. Why those black hairs are suddenly sprouting, on your or your chin or that mustache area for some people it's because they're eating way too much sugar, and too many processed carbs, the breads the bagels, the cookies, all of that sugar wreaks havoc on our hormones for some of you. It might be drinking too much coffee for some people. It's too much stress and stress over time will stimulate your adrenal glands, so they produced too much cortisol, this not only can lead to that unwanted facial hair, but it can also lead to unwanted weight gain. So if you're struggling with this ugly facial hair that suddenly, sprouting up, and maybe you're struggling with your weight to believe it or not, we can remedy both of those problems through our nutrition for weight loss program. Our nutrition for weight loss program teaches you how to control your sugar cravings, it will teach you how to eat to manage your stress. It will help you lose weight if it's time for you to make a change caller office at six five one six nine nine three four three eight inquire about our nutrition for weight loss program and stay with us. We'll be back shortly. Welcome back. You're listening to dishing up nutrition. We hope today's show has helped you to understand how your gallbladder impacts, your digestion and next week, you're not gonna wanna miss Dr. Marcy, as they interview, Dr Kyra, Bob Annette, as she discusses her new book, well, designed life and. The goal of her book, is to help people look, if their individual lives rate now and design a life that they want in the future many years ago. I looked at my own life and design my Tristian to support my health and this'll be it really great show. So just be sure to tune in, if you can tune in live, it'll be even better, but you can always listen to the podcast and you're going to hear some really new thoughts about living a well-designed life. It sounds like a great show. Sounds like a great book. There are just too many books and not enough years in my life of rhyme. You do the audio versions. There you go. So back to our topic of gallbladder. So what what we were talking about before break is what do people do when they needed to have their gallbladder removed and, and now they're experiencing? Diarrhea constipation, nausea heartburn, gas and bloating in working with clients that do not have a gallbladder. We have found that most people are. Able to digest about one two three teaspoons of healthy fat. I think we need to say that again 'cause lower than what we often recommend. But this, if you do not have a gallbladder specific to not having a gall, bladder and for all the reasons that we set about just bile production is not regulated as well with no gallbladder, we need to decrease the healthy fat we still. It's very, very important that it's a healthy fat, though, one two three teaspoons at a meal or a snack. So just basically in one sitting, and those natural healthy fats, again, are olive oil of KADO oil, coconut oil butter ghee clarified butter, and we really do need the healthy fat to make up our cell. Membranes our body needs fat to hydrate. Our tissues. Of course, we need it for our brain. So we just have to be careful with the amount the amount and choosing the right fat. Yeah. And longtime listeners know that we will always suggest eating vegetables, gallbladder or no gallbladder eating vegetables, in place of the pasta the bread the crackers. And, you know, here's a really interesting fact that I want you to think about our liver needs vitamin C to convert cholesterol into bile, so we need vitamin c to make bile, and we need that bile to digest our fats. Guess where you find a lot of vitamin c in vegetables, things like bell peppers and broccoli, and, you know, tomato even though maybe some people call that a fruit, those are all great sources of vitamin C, so each your vegetables, so you get plenty of vitamin C so you can turn that cholesterol into bile. Right. And now Cassie, you know, some people that have had their gallbladder removed may experience symptoms. Unfortunately, others may experience ongoing symptoms and it's important to make an appointment with a dietitian nutritionist to really just get all the pieces in place, because everybody's solution is a little bit different. We are all unique. You know, certainly Kara, and I as nutritionists and dietitians here in the studio, we know that certain foods and certain supplements, help to increase bio production and increase that flow of bile, and, you know, I should point out too, that a lot of people myself included me to include certain foods and certain supplements to help with digestion, even though we haven't had our gallbladder removed so the information we want to give you now about certain supplements is really helpful for people without a gallbladder, but it can also be helpful for people that just have digestive issues. Even though they still have a gallbladder. The first recommendation is a supplement that increases hydrochloric acid. Remember, we mentioned how you need enough hydrochloric acid in order for your body to produce and secrete bile. So this product is called Ortho, digest Sime, a lot of our clients. Take either one or two capsules of Ortho, digest by just Syam before each meal so before breakfast before lunch and before dinner this contains a little bit of hydrochloric acid, as well as it has some enzymes in it now for some people, though, and we were talking about this during the break car. That's not enough hydrochloric acid. So if you try the Ortho digest Simon, it's not doing the trick you might need more hydrochloric acid. And in that case, we would suggest a product called spectrum time, this has a lot more hydrochloric acid per tablet, and it also has a little peps in, which is an enzyme that helps break down protein perfect. Yeah. So both. Of those supplements are really helping the body to break down and digest fats and protein. Right. So it's almost like taking on some of the responsibility of what the whole bladder normally would be doing with that production of bile replacing. What's loss? Yes. Now, I know many of our nutrition experts also recommend and amino acid called taurine now, Torian helps bile excrete chemicals, detox, by the liver, and we have a supplement available at nutritional weight and wellness called pure taurine. So that actually helps to increase, bile production and it helps as well too thin, the bile it. So it's not all sludgy like you were talking about earlier, because that can lead to gallstones rate within the bile, and, you know, we would suggest one two two cap capsules at bedtime in. So for those of you who maybe are into organ meats, you know, I don't think. That's super common. But some people are eating liver or trip, or tongue that you're probably already have sufficient, Tori. But if you're not you very well could be deficient to see the face to that great. If you like organ meats, and I know some people do my grandma being one of them, but it's just not my thing. So hand me, the taurine plea. One more supplement that we sometimes recommend to promote good IDE, Justin is something called digestive bidders. And this is something if you heard the start of the show, you heard me talk about my cousin, Patty that has had her gallbladder removed, and she finds digestive bidders really helpful. So for many people drinking, just five to ten drops in of these day, just of bidders in just a small amount of water and do that about fifteen minutes, ten to fifteen minutes before each meal, and then do another five to ten drops in a little bit of water after your meal that can really help relieve indigestion the heartburn, the bloating that can go along with having a meal, if you don't have a gallbladder, and I want to say here in this case brands do matter, we recommend moonshine digestive bidders. This is a, a supplement. That's very well tolerated a lot of the digest. Or some of the digestive bidders out on the market have been known to cause diarrhea and we don't need to add insight to injury, and I should mention to that any of these supplements that we have been talking about the Ortho digest Zayn the spectra I'm the taurine the moonshine digestive bidders. You can read more about them, or you can purchase them if you want to by going online to our website, and that is weight and wellness dot com. We don't charge any shipping and handling. So it's the same price if you order on our website as if you were to walk in to any one of our office locations and by product. So I just wanted to throw that out there to gosh in, we are just come into the wrap up of our show here. Yes. I think we just have to wrap it up by saying that a reminding everybody that our goal at nutritional weight, and wellness is to help each and every person experienced better health through eating real food. Yes. It's a simple message, but. 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FTP119: Bonnitta Roy - Ego & Group Practices

Future Thinkers Podcast

56:38 min | 1 year ago

FTP119: Bonnitta Roy - Ego & Group Practices

"Hey guys welcome back. Our guest today is Benita Roy. She's an author philosopher and teacher WHO's focusing on building greater capacities for human sense making. She has a wealth of experience working with groups and in her work. She integrates cognitive science phenomenology and she gone with emergent themes and transformative education leadership self organization in complexity science in part one of our interview. We talk about group processes deconstructing the EGO and shadow work group settings. You'll find all the links and show notes for this episode at future thinkers dot org slash one hundred eighteen now. Let's dive into the interview. Hey this future thinkers where we talk about how to adapt to a changing world build more resilience upgrade culture and society and create meaning and purpose with your hosts. Mike it'll end Elva so Benita. Welcome thanks for joining us. This is we've been watching a lot of your content lately so we're excited to be talking today. Yeah congratulations I feel like I'm a little bit part of your family now. Yeah yeah we were just talking before we started. We don't know what to do with with our kids. When we do these podcasts episodes. We've got nowhere to put them. So if you hear some squawking in this episode then it's not. It's the baby always me. Yes so yeah. There is an example. So my first question for you is. How do you deal with the tendency of groups to get trapped in this never ending cycle of creation and deconstruction of personal and interpersonal problems? So I don't go there directly one of the things that I've noticed it depends like what situations I already created a scenario in my head. So it's different if I know that. Sometimes you guys actually have courses. That's different than if you're doing group process right because when you have a course you become more of I have knowledge on going to give you some Suggestions whereas when you truly joint bid process you're inside culture itself and so everything you say is up for deconstruction by the group right. So so the scenario. I'm getting answer in his. When you're actually trying to be participate in the group process itself and one of the things is I tend to. I don't think you should go there directly. I don't think you should point out that. Someone's Egos talking or point out this. I've always had this problem with the traditions because they keep yelling at the ego and every time you talk to the EGO. You're actually rarefied yet. So a lot of group process has to do with performance. We're always trying to avoid performance contradiction. You know so. For example. We don't want to England obviously to yell at any girl but we also don't want to ratify the EGO by confronting and the question. The question is who are you talking to? Who Are you act what? Who Are you speaking with? When you're when you're goal is to maybe dissolve some of the round resolve that the ego structure. And what are the kind of moves that you can do where You know g move where you are actually working with the forces that dissolve the Eagle itself like the EGO is a stable construction under certain conditions. And it's not a stable structure under other conditions and you're actually just trying to cultivate conditions in which the EGO is not as able structure and or what other types of south can someone anger themselves in but if you directly go to deconstructing the ego and then you can do that But I think you'll find that it can be very frustrating and yeah so. That's kind of a meadow view. You can make more particle question out of that. Actually my question would be. Do you have any direct tips for kind of bypassing the ego win it comes up Or or bringing it to someone's attention suffers to have imagine. What am I speaking with? I see the the ego as energy arising and then I say what am I speaking with? If there's no ego than what is is not a structure like what is arising that. I'm trying to dance with And I tried to really visualize in that so much of you know image but talk to enter in to the felt sense that there is something beyond or beneath something else. That's happening in this dance so I'm not even going there. It's like it's like a whole approach. The Eagle comes to be sliding context. It's like it's like yes. I address that like sometimes. There's a hundred different ways your responses than become spontaneous. But like one time I was teaching in something. This one man was quite aggressive. This young guy and then he just starts downloading the all. This stuff is coming at you know instead of getting addressing what he was saying. I was just like wow. That's a lot of energy and I just kind of sat back. I don't even know what he said I was like. Wow that energy really had come up so when he was finished Do you feel better now an inept. I thought it was a joke question but really and then he reflected. He's like yeah. I feel better now. You see I didn't. It wasn't like I even I wasn't bothered with what the construction the EGO was making us trying to figure out like. Where's that coming from? What what function is it serving in the organism? A you know and and Working trying to work at that level And actually what came out of those? He you know he reflected he said yeah and then a little while later we had a break and he came back and he said. I know why that happens. You see so. Every people have reflexive aspect organism will be self reflective but under certain conditions you create more potential for that and other other conditions. You're actually Raya finding the very structures You're trying to dissolve. And you know this is really tricky work but I know that you guys have a lot of experience and you can perhaps play around. We've got MU. That's that's one example My own journey a have to admit Was helped by training horses because when you train horses a lot of energy a lot of what can look like aggression or this or that you know you you you start when you're young training you ask. Why is that Horse Mad at me? Or why are they stubborn? Or why this and then you realized they don't have a story this just kind of a dance of energy and sometimes the energies and up in sometimes it's confused or sometimes it's free flowing and so even by the time. I started Trading stallions you know really you see all this energy coming at you and it's just energy you know in your cell because I will. People will project an ego structure and story on onto horses. And then they resort abusive techniques because they're fighting with a structure. That's not fair. That's not in the horses experience but I did A. I DID A horse workshop. Once with a group of people who then some of them went right into group process and this one woman was having a difficult time in her new boyfriend happens to be very. They're very disruptive she was having a very difficult time and then on the second day she was like. Wow they're just horses and she didn't need it to dehumanize people she was using what she had learned and so like even this notion of the Eagle has to be distraught can deconstruct. The these are stories that are eagles make meaning out of other people out of the energy of tensions to actually caught in. Recombinant recombination recumbent. Ego is stop you know. So That's how I've avoided I've I've tried not to even if I don't see. See the Eagle in. Yeah I see the energy I can. Talented structure can feel that it's contraction. But I try not to speak to it or speak about it because tends to ratify that. It's real you know. Now that's different than when I naturally doing courses on The I ne- mind complex when it's online how's IT PRE constituted phenomenologically. Then we talk about it as a holistic system and then so then. We're actually talking about how it's constructed how it arises naturally. How you know how we can talk about this. Maybe in very early childhood experience how these primary schemers primitive Egos and you know we can talk about it in a kind of instruction to instructive way but in group process I try not to shine a light on it either. Positively or negatively. I just don't talk to and I sit back and I try to say what's arising here. Energetically felt sense or I don't even try to. Psychology is it. Oh the eagles wounded or you know I because that's also a little bit. It's more subtle but I try to kind of dance with the Energy. And visualize a spacious nece or a state out where those energies are pleasant and in let myself speak from their whatever comes out or maybe sometimes nothing comes out a. Lotta Times surprising. Wow where did that come true? Even that's an appropriate response. 'cause you just surprise your genuinely surprised you know like there's a spike in energy. Oh my God you know. And then Yeah and kind of taking it from there. So one thing. I noticed at the beginning of the story. That you're telling about the guy who just downloaded all of that energy onto you Was the way you addressed. It seemed to be first of all. You seem to have a knowledge of where it was coming from and that it wasn't about the content of what he was talking about. It was more of the emotional center and then it seemed like you only address the emotional part and that stood out to me is is a good technique. Even though he didn't explicitly stated. Yeah so here. I want to be a little pedantic and make a distinction. We make it my courses and that is the difference between affect which is what the body's doing and emotion and emotion is a story on top of what the body's doing so with this distinction semantic distinction. I wasn't paying attention to his emotion. I noticed that the body was doing something different. I mean his literally physically outside inside and there was kind of a spike in in energy happening and Yeah so one of the things we did when he came back and he said. I think I know why that happened in. We have been working together for a while. He 'cause I imported that story about what she was saying and I was mad at the story. He you know he let some energy. That was like a little difficult. The woman did have some kind of emotional energy and he made a big story The story was like I gave her. I gave her more space than he fought I should have because she was kind of. I knew what she was kind of saying was new agey so he had the story that I was being a favourite to him. Knocked her out what he was fighting with. Nothing in the wrong. He was fighting with the story. That was imported. See his body got him comfortable. And what the mind does is. It serves Reasons for why you might become so all right. It's evolved to say you know is it? This is at and a Lotta Times. Those reasons are just these stories so in storied and so then he started fighting with the with the story instead of just paying attention to what the body was doing and processing that so when I say affects is they're just like everything else they come and they go and they take time they take right there like the like the breast in the heartbeat and if he had stayed at that level it would have just been a rhythm in the space but he jumped the miners up a story. He didn't notice he got into the story really fast. And then then you have more than just the affect. You have kind of a vicious cycle between the story that then then then then turns up the Unpleasant tree in the body so that Stab we we tried to We tried to Do exercises in my course to try to get closer to the Tago when the when the feeling in your body toggles into a story so you get better at better noticing just before that happens you can deal with it at its origin and that's an exercise that people get very very good at a done it and then some people be like. Wow there's proto thoughts I can tell even before it's thought the quality of the The sensation starts to get a little like a little bit like indigestion in. I know that that's GonNa turn into our thoughts so I swallow it then at this really you know you can get really good at this and so you see everything. I'm talking about deconstruct the EGO. But none of the practices talk about the EGO. They just say this is what happens. Can we noticed that you know these are the conditions under which the structures are dissolved? Come you know one thing. I'm noticing a lot in group practices and it happened quite a bit earlier on last year. And we've we've kind of accepted the conversation from that point and I don't think we've really brought it up but there's this question of of when am I done processing my trauma and especially in that group setting like when is it time to put that to bed if that's even necessary and then go out there in the world and do something so this is a really good question and it So get us. Some of the language from rea- Back System. You know she says that there's there's socal of presence where you're learning how to be present with each other to not have so many triggers not have your ego involved not you know all these biases and all these these inadequate ways of discourse conversation. That's a circle of presence. How can we just be five people in a room and start from square one? You know there is no square one. We all have all this baggage and all these reforms ideas all his condition but basically she calls it. The Circle of presence in. We can argue. There is some argument That this is actually a skill at were reclaiming from our past that. We actually used to know how to do this. It's hypothetical but you do see that. A lot of them are employing skills like ritual and some of these older structures to make this happen so understanding that. There's that at one face. And then she says the purpose of circle of presence is to be able to create a circle of creation where you are coming which is what. I call insight practice where the group is coming up with insights in awareness and orientations perspectives. That were not held by anyone in that space before And so your question is when do we went is our have we done enough in. I as to get to the second phase now I think that some people I don't think you have to do the first phase one hundred percent. I think that some people have this idea of people becoming you know one hundred percent clean and then we can get onto things. I think. That's that's really a mistake and the other reason why it's mistake is because If you're spending too much time investigating your psyche as a group that psyche will invent new territory as you explore. It's an infinite game Is What does psyche does so So you know I know. People who do internal family systems. And they're like you know and then the parts create parts in themselves in the. They're they're mapping out this territory of and so that's what the psychic does the psyche is like a fission reactor. It creates early early. On in the child's life it creates primary Schema and then internal working models then the eagles structure and this is what I e does so It can be an endless endlessly cursive so So I think that there is a real phenomenon happening in some of these circles with were especially in the west week over psychologists stuff so where that's happening it's the same with when a circle gets like a you projecting or am I interacting or. Is that real you know? And and those kinds of conversations are crazy they're crazy to try to analyze because when the psyche of You transfer is a counter transference. You hear all this nonsense okay So to take a strong stand on that. Those are not Those are not Beneficial performance says to do in group space. I think is is important. And so then the question is what are we. What are we envisioning as the fruition of this first phase And there's comes apart Comes appoint any groups life where you just say what if we put this to a question a real question or a real test or action in the world that both ups the ante but also will give you some sense if that that groups groups going to move I think that I think being very clear. What is what is the goal. What is the fruition of the first phase? What would that look like? What is the minimum adequacy? You need And the other thing is I think that a few you can take a few people who have very good skills and bring them into group where people don't and as long as they're not exponentially exaggerating those skills they can increase the capacity so you can move for example yourselves into a group of experts. We don't really have dialogical skills but you can make a place for them in terms of their expertise and still have A productive session. That's in this case productive. Means you solve the problem or moved up quite inquiry long not song. Everybody's trauma in one of your other interviews. You talked about sort of the three stages of development and I'm not sure what which model is's but you talked about the first stage as people project everything outwards like the problem is outside out there. It's you know other people's crowd are I have to fix something in the world? I have to save people. It's all externally focused. Then something happens on the knee realize. Oh actually all of this stuff is a projection of internal state and so then they start focusing on fixing their internal state than doing healing and constant nasal getting navel-gazing and then the third stage is that they realize. Oh actually none of this is about me at all. And I'm completely inconsequential in this. I'm more of an instrument of something larger. I really love that framework. It's very simple but it really illustrates something quite well. Yeah and so the people that spend too much time. You know trying to heal their trauma. They it's kind of narcissism you start to see there's a kind of narcissism right now the whole point in the world is evolved so that you can heal your drama also want to say something about trauma and that is Which I every year I had with my new cards. We have to make the distinction. You know there's existential reality about about being human and not all of that. Existential pain is trauma. It you know we have to be able to separate what is trauma from you know you. Have you have to individually from your parents as very painful and it leaves memories and it has archetypes or has primary Schema and it's a process you have to go through but that's not trauma. I mean people like hold onto like I've been through. I felt through primary school. I've been through a break up with my boyfriend like they just hold onto this like like you know. Now they're Israel trauma the Israel trauma and the thing is there are fabulous stories of people who've been through awful trauma and they shine they shine as people and so this is kind of like when you're moving from the second phase to the third you realize you've made the whole thing about you. You know so yes. It feels great when you go into the Sonogram and you realize if I myself than my actual reality changes but then you get mesmerized. We've got an and you start to think like that's that that whole that whole thing is about you that your whole spiritual growth is about satisfying. You are getting cracking the code. I call it cracking the code. So that now you're happy and Jerry Field people move out of that. I find I have never been in a group. That's been able to successfully move into the circle of creation which I called collective insight practice which is why I don't do group process because of waiting to to collective insight practice and I can in my students I hear there between some of our between the second one in the third and you can hear people say they used to use phrases like it's not about me on my instrument or spirit is working through me. You start saying that. There's something that's coming through there. It's not something they have to do. And you start seeing. It's not like work I have to do on myself it's Work is being asked of me. You know and of course people with severe trauma shadows. That could be ugly. But in many cases People are coming are moving through that second phase and realizing they're not finished but it doesn't have to be achieved you know. It was on Joe. Brewer was on your. Your movie talked about this on your interview. But he talked about the difference between achievement. Problems in practice problems. You know your psyche isn't something to be achieved. It changed the perfect psyche. It's something to be continuously practiced through the Abbot question. Feel we might as well go there like what is the purpose. What is what is why. Are we all so excited about group process at this time in history? What is the purpose? What are we seeing as the benefits? what other or one of the claims we are making you know. This is a question that I had when I first started. In two thousand twelve the claim was at this was happening in these groups group processes you know people are making claims of group in fighting and all these things in an. I started participating in them and I didn't actually see that they were achieving claims that they were making. And so. That's maybe an interesting question to make a bummer. But well yeah I think I mean. We don't claim a whole lot. Aside from the just being there is a community in there are people who are talking about the set of subjects in doing these set of practices. And maybe you might be interested in doing it. It's not like we're advertising enlightenment or something in in the courses or the group the groups although I think some of the work relates to that question and we've especially been discussing a lot of the jet McKenna Books About Spiritual Enlightenment in the calls which I think is interesting. But it's irrelevant really. It's the community is kind of the sales focused right. Come in me like minded people that kind of thing but there is transformational experiences that individuals are going through. I would say within the groups that are just a matter of doing the work and doing the processes and it's a lot. It's a hell of a lot more individual work then group process work. I mean group. The group seems to just be like okay. You're not insane. I mean you're you're you seem to be on the right track and it's more of a confirmation of what most people seem to intuitively already understand when they're doing the work that's really it. Yeah Ellen show the other part of your question. Why is there sort of society? Wise there is so much addressed in group practice and I don't know what the case is other people and I don't want us you that the same to me. It seems that People are realizing that the sort of individualistic approach. That was really popular in the previous decades. That there is something incomplete about it that we need to earn relearn to relate to each other and actually it seems to me that a lot of these group practices are not inventing anything new there. Just rediscovering what people used to know. How To do intuitively before? Yeah and the and the questions are more sophisticated like the questions we have about ourselves or more sophisticated but the way the group can haul that is is is probably evolutionary old. An embedded in human system Yeah I like to look at these phases of group or community practice as asynchronous transformation of the individual. So it's a synchronous transformation. But every but it's coursing through everybody right so If you if you bleed out the time you could conceivably experience as a simultaneous transformation but it seems to I have a synchronous kind of a rhythm to it and I think that's very helpful for people because if you say you know it's a transformational circle But it has this a synchronous rhythm than people will still feel inside the circle and notice that there's different spotlights of transformation little insights happening here and there that don't necessarily land with everyone but if everyone was participating than that's off like when have shined so I think that's a claim that this were can make the brand new future thinkers members portal is now alive develop your sovereignty and self with our in depth courses get access to our weekly since making calls joined the QNA's with past podcast guests and much more become a future thinkers member today at future thinkers at org slash members. I've never really heard anyone talk specifically about the role of shadow work in group format. It seems to be and I mean the experience that we have with it is. It does seem to be quite heavily individualistic. But there's something to circling that seems to especially as people are watching something arise in each other and in themselves. It seems to point that they're a shadow material but as far as the practice of doing shadow work is that does that have a place in group group dynamic so I'm just gonNA answer by Talking about how Perhaps address shadow work. You know one of the problems with some of these practices is they. They become Like the whole notion of shadow work is already loaded. You know so then at an so what I talk about is I like to look at So when I come into group space one of the things that I think is important is to de emphasize the The individual and look at it more in terms of the group is constantly shaping itself and shaping each other right because this is kind of where we want people to understand and so like when you enter a group space. So I'll talk about it like this when you enter public space immediately. You're going to adopt certain persona. That's when we're going to. It's going to shape. You need it league like When we call people call a collective insight retreat here just calling. It is already shaping. The people it's ringing questions and so the thing is working itself and this is again like it's not about me only about me. It's how do I respond to the process that's underway. How's the process asking me to respond? Oh carry so instead of saying you have shown you have to work on something. Which again puts a spotlight on the carthy unit of inquiry the Unit and inquiries grew and in this present moment. And so what I will say. You know what we'll talk about is how Again I I spend a lot of time talking about how in early childhood you have a me before you have an I and the me is the way your parents look at you. You realize that you're an object for their perception and that what you do without me changes your relationship to that to your caregivers a little later on you realize the me that your father sees us all gendered. Stereotypes is different than my main. Your mother sees and you start to make primary scheme was about gendered roles in the me is online and this becomes the social me. You know so when we're in social space. We're always trying to pick from our little box of tools. The object that's going to in the public sphere so the way I work with that is in if I'm facilitating a novice group. I'll say all be sitting around people with a saying something and then I'll say you noticed a lot of stuff going on your minds is like all the stuff going on your minds and then you have a gatekeeper. That would never say that like there's a whole lot going on the other. There's the gatekeeper. Like what does that gatekeeper. What is its function you know? Let's look at the gatekeeper. And you know our people be quiet and tease them. Like all you people Reich. I know there's a lot going on there you know and So we noticed that there's a whole lot going on the doesn't make it out into public space so we look at that and then So we don't say you have to expose it or anything but you're looking at how what's under the hood here and we all have it you know. And so Yeah so what's what's what's not making. It has something to do with shadow right now. Some people might put it in that frame. So what would not? But I don't really I try to be much more human about it like I say I'll say something. Why not just kicking from different experiences? Something like people were in a pickle because you come to these groups and you want to be seen. I mean everybody really wants to be seen but everybody is terrified to be seen so we hide so we put each other. And that goes 'cause like on that you can't see me on my mother or my partner but I actually get keep who I am. And so how is it possible for me to be seen so we just all stacked talk about like what what how this thing functions? And it's okay. It's okay how it functions we just need to become aware of how the functions and yeah so. That's kind of you know I. I have a different way of languaging different way of working in in spaces than some other Techniques out there it seems your responses. Come from this very embodied like you're you're not looking at anything theoretically almost with my question. It's almost a very theoretical question. That doesn't play out in the way that I framed the question. Yeah it's it's interesting. I know people who are really coaches. They've been through like landmark or Avatar. There's these programs and they work a lot with shadow and then I've worked with them in They come to the point. Where is very sophisticated right? This very high level where they realize I help them realize their shadow is just a structure. You may so we're like we make a structure the concept of shadow and then we spend it all lives trying to get rid of it and I say why making up in the first place. Why take me all about release complexity? Why take that first step? And that's where I think leverages like so you have all these people going around in these groups talking about shadow Sha that it's the it's the actual step that is in the way I want to take that step. It's interesting. How much pain is built up around the structure of of having a past trauma to work through whereas just looking at it without judgment often can just be enough. Yeah it is interesting. How much people build up these structures in their mind before they're able to actually tackle them or whatever you WANNA call it. Construct them exactly so that comes up in space out say if. I'm being really playful shadow shadow. Where is it like is it like where is it but or I'll say if you didn't have the concept of shadow? What would you be experiencing now good question well and then I'll has? That's what you're actually experiencing. Everything else is a thought and is it helpful or is it not helpful to me. That's off the work is literally. It's not easy but that's all it is. Everything else is a hybrid complex vacation of professional skills that sells the price of the ticket. So there that's what I really as a community you know we have to because in. This is to aunt my answer to wise hydro buses because it also has proliferated in an an economic system where complexity in hybrid complexity and the illusion of the priestly professional class to do some direct work on yourself is part of what creates the dummy hand in the interest. And so now. I'm not saying people do this. Consciously this is audited but we need people that can release the complexity and do this level of facilitation. It doesn't mean people. Go ahead yeah. Of course it's still hard but you don't want you WanNa be V it's like you. WanNa be a surgeon the laser you don't WanNa be a surgeon in the confederate army. Where would they would take a a saw? Incorr- off your leg. We we want this technology to be like laser surgery and we need people ball to really understand what works in these spaces and what just increases the complexity infinite complexity of the human condition. I really really glad you were at the south. Because yeah this idea that you can get rid of the or should get rid of the AGO or the shadow is so preposterous to me. Because they are structures you could say evolutionary structures that have a function and they do something and by trying to remove them. Exactly like trying. To sever your limb. It's it's even if it is possible. It's not useful or healthy so it seems to me that just allowing it in observing Accepting it is a much healthier route and you know if you if you have an infection in the hand you just look at it and you deal with the infection rather than chopping off the whole hands. You know that that does bring up something that I'm just noticing now about maybe a incoherence and definitions that we're using like when I hear you talk about what I would term ego deconstruction. Aligns with my idea about it but I. I think I'm using a term that is not clicking with you like you something about the ego deconstruction thing and I think you've is well. It's not really working for you. So what would you call it like this deconstruction of frameworks that make up your identity? That aren't necessarily true. Just like we would say. That's the shadow. What's the term if we're not gonNA use the EGO deconstruction? Maybe I can answer it in in. My case is just observing that something is a structure because that in a way kind of makes it less sticky when when you can quiet the mind enough and just observe that. It's doing something like Oh you know it's engaging in this process are it's like I have this feeling in the triggers. This thought. Oh interesting just observing that Kinda makes less makes less have A. How would I describe it? Have less of a a looping function. Yeah so I think that's a good refunding because we you know we can go off in all directions so I will you know what I guess. I'm pushing back against is problem ties in Ego. I think that's a little bit of what are you saying But I would say that it's important to understand What do we mean by ego what what is like what's undergo heart and there's egoism ego and So so for example we talk. I can talk about primary affect so primate affect my body is. What's what's what you know. My heart goes up or goes down with neurochemical superman. What my hormones are doing What my blood pressure is doing. My program -CEPTION my dizzy. You know like this is days. Some of my muscles are contracted summer expanded. So there's something my body's doing and this is not ego it's free. Egon work potentials of basically inferior Mammalian self. Okay so I can put that aside. That's not what I mean by Ego. And then salt we call those ethics and then there's the perceptual system. You know not which is just your What you see here taste smell. Your Body. Sensations your appropriate option this again. His Carnegie or Mammalian Animal human-animal Nature. That's not ego. So then what is ego right? What is what then. If those those are pre ago Dan what is ego and so to me. It's always seems like the storyteller that builds an identity in attempts to explain. Those things is story this is why Suzanne Cooke grinders work. Everybody that is researching Eagle developing. They has questions their sentence completion tests. Because it's the kind of story will tell so I don't show what I teach is to notice how when the story that mind serves a story. You know something's your babies crying we get a little narrow -tated in mind serves up a story. I I remember once being on a plane and this baby in front of me was literally way off the charts. Some people are last with very difficult children and I could tell the parents. She must've been on two years old and I could tell the parents figuring out their program for when she was having tantrums and on talking about Livid screaming like for twenty thirty minutes and I watch myself go from tolls frigging parents. What they're bad parents. Why don't they do something about it to like? Oh my gods child isn't so much fainter like that stupid child. I would Muslim later. Something and the and I could see these stories. Just come up one after another. You know kind of you know trying to give me some explanation or trying to suggest something I could do. And then once. I realized that I was just watching them. Come up and come up and then slowly. My body wasn't irritated. It was just noise like I was kind of like. Oh listen to listen to the frequencies or something and then you know. The child calmed down. And I have a feeling that like the something that like. I was like probably got caught until like energizing that energy or something you know and so literally the body just serves up all these even more happy you know the body serves up this story like. Oh maybe you spend more time with him. There is a story right. You have a eighties fish on time with him. And then you get in that story and of course you know that's dry goes the first little thought starts to build this whole story about your happily ever life now and then you go to your friends in that story so then the question becomes like a you know once you start working with historic is a couple of interesting thing happens and you realize that you're tortured by the story with a big part of you. That doesn't wanNA live without one. You feel the mind will not be satisfied whittling while like if I said to someone like I said before. Like if you didn't have the concept of shadow what would your experience be and you realize like well I actually would be disappointed because there's not enough drama and now you know now you start to realize oh well that's the function the story has in your life. It's kind of a drama coal. If you want to live like that like the meanest maybe and you can watch TV or something. But I don't probably problema ties it. We want to understand first of all why the mind serves up stories. Are they Profitable beneficial and then if you notice that he actually liked them then you understand your complicit with that's why you keep generating them because you're actually something is satisfied by having the and so a lot of people are in drama. I mean kids do that. You know when you're irritated with your sister when you're a kid you kinda like how to make a fight and then it becomes a Fi and when you look back on it or at the time you realize you talk about is if you didn't WanNA fight but energetically wanted to get in a fight. That's where he kinda provoked it you know in so you start to see. There's up the sum. Total of human condition is is really fascinating end for us to understand. It is more important for us to fight with some of it it. It's here way it is. That's a great distinction between Deconstruction and just becoming aware. I'm I'm glad you made that distinction because I keep using the term ego deconstruction when it actually should be differentiated between those two. That's helpful. It's more like Eagle understanding. What IS THE EGO. And how you can. You can literally learn how to see how there's composing itself. Oh there. It is composing itself. Oh there's a story you know yeah. It seems to the awareness part of it seems to relate to where the egos actually necessarily he. Don't WanNA deconstruct everything. You want to know where some elements are necessary like. I want my child to behave well in public and not disturb other people and that kind of thing so there's this kind of Ego ick element to that of like. Don't embarrassed me kid which is actually kind of useful to help the KID. Behave properly Yeah okay for. Sometimes I'll just I'll see I'll see this story and look at it and I'll say even in groups face on like I'm just going with it. I just feel tugged and sometimes that gets a Lotta push but then it turns out sometimes pushed back has been helpful to move things forward. You know but if you can slow slow what is happening automatically down so you can see how it works. You have more choice and then you do that for five or six years and eventually what shows up is more helpful than not. Somehow you shaved the way it works. You don't have to be so vigilant you know. The whole point is not that I can credibly vigilant your whole life. You know. There's something here that have been trying to pinpoint in. It's coming from experience so I don't I don't haven't figured out how to put words to it yet but there's this thing of actually you know it relates to what you said when people enter into a group practice and they want to appear smart they want to figure out where they rank against everyone in the group so they want to project some ideal version of themselves and there's something of that related to a desire to have an outcome be a certain way. I WANNA be perceived a certain way I want this call to work out a certain way you know a lot of it's to do with ranking but there's also just an attachment to results of there in the world which to me seems to be a basis for the egos storyteller thing and I haven't found much of a basis outside of that. It's like that seems to be centerpoint than I thought so. So the ranking is gus structure that your stories take right so We said the EGO has to do with a story but then you can notice that the stories you tend to that there are some basic structures called there said that there's one mother structure money the other structures so you start to seeing that your stories are helpful even the helpful ones whether they're helpful or not their day. Makita structure so ranking is one of the structures. This is this one really big and One of the keys signs to there's basically six different Structures ranking as one the two biggest ones are ranking and belong belonging people have high belonging needs get very nervous when people rank because it seems like other people being excluded enright guards. It's an instinct you walk into a room. Maybe it's just a big conference in year at dinner. You just look around and you sit with someone. Maybe it's not someone who presented but it turns out to be a big Cahuna like you just have an instinct for the alpha or something you know but and that's not a problem. I think these typologies They actually curiously map onto the six. Buddha bodies. So that's kind of interesting when you tank on and so one of the Davies at the end the you know you find like what. You're kind of archetypal pattern news but the Keita's when you're driven by a subtle sense up it's never enough. It's never enough. So people are ranker's even though they achieve all kinds of things they don't think they've achieved anything and it's never enough and so you become you become First of all neurotic but you know you become aggressive and non ethical almost in your pursuit of something. That's not facial belongers. Same Way they have so many friends and it's never enough is never enough you know. They feel like they're worthless and nobody likes them in from the Outside. You like what so? It's not that the typology is bad. It's when it's driving you with a subtle sense that it's never enough. You never let yourself say wow I have a lot of friends and they step by knee or well and a lot with my life and you know I don't really like being on the circuit but I'm chasing this invitation on that invitation really. What's the real reason why? Because I don't think I've done enough. It's never enough so the typology is not a problem but the and then when you get rid of what's driving that it's not enough then usually your life spreads out a different way and you make much you make much more of a garden variety of choices rather than the same choice so the way that works is the. Eagle has stories the stories if you look at them you'll see their structure there there's a predominant structure it's unconsciously driving you to the sense of. There's never enough. So it's kind of neurosis to get the full episode. Go to members dot feature thinkers dot org for five bucks a month. 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EP008 How to Manage Change With Ron Carucci

Breaking Barriers with CJ Devgun

32:35 min | 2 years ago

EP008 How to Manage Change With Ron Carucci

"Hi, I m c j and welcome to another and Shen breaking values. We're my goal is to provide away. Bruin tools to help you transform your business? We are living in dimes where business as usual is not as. Because new disruptors having every day therefore, you must invent and great barriers that are holding you back if you are struggling to grow your business. Check out my website, CJ, Devlin dot com and learn about like Soling and coordi- and that stock. Welcome again today is. Lawn is bound and minuting Bodmer at novel. Walking with heels and Zach this pursuing. Change all. As a director and helping executive stock hotel. Ratty leading. Is one has been be. Your magazine business. I MSNBC BusinessWeek business. And. Mother. Come on. I Don I CJ. How are you? Could with you today. Thank you very much random to breaking barriers with digital transformation. It's a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me. Ready? Good. So I understand you are calling and dialing in from Seattle with snowstorm. Yeah. Talk about transformational, disrupt disruption, the animal almost never know. And so on days like today when snow this much of it, especially disrupt the city, it's always fascinating to watch. How people like that? Or are unable to attach ready to ready to you know, to start with Shelvin abuse couple of confirmational initiatives that you have implemented one that delivered expect result and one that did not deliver expected those and the learning that you got from both ships. Yeah. Gosh. So most of our transformational products are at the enterprise level working with someone in a cease week or the CEO where there there is some strategic mandate to Nick some shock turn or some. They're stuck in a digital ready to eat out of the ditch. Organizationally they're not feel tax acute. Well, so dumb hav located might need change where one or two quick silver bullets on a work. So I'm thinking about two different enterprises. Levers, one was clean energy company. That was a combination of multiple apparitions coming together on on a unified platform and one was a large global food. And you just birth took very similar purchase in terms of very thorough and rigorous diagnostic on the front end a very intentional focused design efforts to design and relation to optimize against of very clear. People call but important articulation refrigerators by the senior team, and and careful thoughtful approach implementation of the so it's interesting to me if I contrast these two. Yes. One in the face of two very difficult industries, right? The energy still trying to get traction trying to forget how to be profitable food a very controversial industry, a very many and localizing industry. So you have you know, definitely headwinds in their faces who the difference was of course, Lucia. Energy business. You have a set of his gives you had a distributed set of responsibilities and a recognition that the approach needed to be comprehensive than it had thought originally there their intent was to have a unified these acquisitions into hall to do process. Mass deduce sort of handle some some very simplified way of trying to behavioral expectations, and we this. This will please in. So, you know, whole lot more much more holistic redesign of the of an enterprise, it didn't is it. And we have all the acquisitions be part of that. So you had the process itself was unifying hole and transparent, and honest and had great debate in the food example, and you had a very very weak leadership. People who were less committed a CEO who had tried so many things before this to try and turn around the only enterprise had made some disastrous admission decisions and a a design process had become very politicized and very. Fear based and so when I changed time to implement it. They just so they never it. Never after months, months, months of Oregon, even often round and eventually the enterprise. Got taken over. This was fired can McCain broken up, you know, very saddening. So you'll for me the the both took reproach is both had great diagnostics both were thoughtful in. And they wanted to help are in Texas change of the transformational Ernie, but very different outcomes when it comes to the variable leadership and the variable of commitment to change. Now, I've seen a lot of different variables determined whether or not. Hapag? I've seen leaders, you know, go down the campaign the campaign for change, but none of the real world or they pull the single ever like west values or less. We are nice your chart or make more efficient. The prophecy granting say pull one systemic lever and leave all the others in place in of course, always 'all-shore too. But what I find it isn't about these EJ is that both organizations did a lot of it. Right. They went after all the domains of changing a look at our Russia's code for within each we in a month with deep within the leaders and their own narratives in their own stories be wing leaders between departments. Wean any seem of an organization where you have to have greater cohesion and systemically among among the governance processes, the cultural issues this not vision. But I think the food company didn't really do a serious job within they did the between the among design and the transmission of creation were, but they would never they would never seriously Dopp being within the never committed to her own personal change at all. And I think that's what he's in. So he away for audiences is commitment only dishes having a vision. And and and having commitment from not only the leadership, but all the major stakeholders having identified all the stakeholder get their buy in get the commitment and then embark on a programme of this magnitude. Well, I think I mean, that's only part of it. But again, I what I would add it was, you know, change within. You have to have all freight for transformational results. And however, you do it ever you moderate. You gotta make sure there is working done generate changing all three of those. That's that's the display, right? So I think a lot of leaders in their heart of hearts feel generally admitted to change they generally recognize the negro change. They just don't do it. And so someone tells them, you know, he hears those sober bowl pathway transformation and happens to be a singular among initiative or it's team with the singer between initiative or some work for shop. We want all worry about her own behavior. Right. And so they do a great job in a within or between Orna mom across change, but we're going ever to. And so it's not just enough to say I'm committed and to invest heavily in one domain because even with the best of intentions. They'll still you've got to do it across offers. So what what practical tips and picnics can you feel to get these changes with between an among give us some service, some practical tips that. Listeners of this program can actually bring them into their genes initiative so change within. Yeah. Is that is a deeper exploration of the inner set of the inner territory of leaders, you know, they're all shaped by biases by narrative by beliefs about themselves in each other about how they see the world about their role that their contribution to the Papa or they're innocent in the problem. And you've got to go all out that happens sometimes with some feedback tools with some individual work. It happens by teaching about what narrative operative narratives are and getting them to the honest about what theirs is. And how their perspectives of about another about the enterprise navy's laws. So deeper work. Between can happen at any see my. So we had organizations where at the intersection of our marketing and Vijen you have the muscle of innovation. If those functions are worrying factions, those functions have misaligned incentives and continue Jetsons and don't see each other as a partner but see each other as rivals. You're not gonna be in much innovation. And so reading those folks together to you, we call this the seam stitch seen and and and now intersection, right? So it's just a matter of doing a hill. Get along better. There has to be designed to say how does supply chain us marketed in our in the equal innovations and what other contributions each has to me. So that you haven't outcomes tediously, operationally culturally. So you have to bring those folks together to get intentional about what those. Among you know, governance. Always great example. How have you intentionally distributed decision rights already in the resources across the enterprise that the white meters are sitting around the right table with the right authority and money to make the right decision and keep your vision? Synchronize so often you have way too much decision impression in inauguration and all halfway freedom. Top you have the the seniors involved in which much of governing enterprise, and they should be met. How big or small company or you have, you know, whoever the their favorite is the week getting disproportionate levels of money and resources to make decisions you have CMO head of marketing there were boy and girl, and it's a very brand new company. They're tipping the ship, but your operational side of the business in your talents out of star. So regardless of how it's done you have to make sure government says an example is. Dishonestly designed mattress strategy. Mash what you say you wanna be. And so often they're not so often you have governor just like bad wallpaper in house you walk in and his eight layers of wallpaper from the last thirty years and nothing more. Will you know, when we all hear that most famous wearing wage, many meetings, all days, and useless. Right. Well, that's not a symptom of you suck at meetings. That's. Seriously, why governor design then he bought up rebuilt. But if you not to do that work and shutdown standing minute is shouldn't be existed, you're going to be consuming, you know, influence capital needlessly. So within between among my guess is that if you're listening to reflect on any transformational journey they will argue that didn't go, well or as hope and they would examine it through the lens. They probably figure out very quickly which of those three didn't get ended to it should. Great. So this is more an ordinary from culture and changing carpet Kotto, really you can consciously show people how their behaviors. Imbedding these changing you should leave. So so what kind of tools and techniques used to do that influence that corporate culture? Well, so they about culture CJ is that, you know, people point to a lot of things when they want to influence culture. It's it's become a it's like communication, and it's become a catchall word. But when you did the new after what's the culture? Leaders. Don't really know what it is. And so they they pull the values. We need new values. We just had a phone call from our a startup biotech company, a major reverse acquisition of a larger company and they had asked let's do that. News. But y yeah, it was because they had a an executive at the top of your relations. I'd never let anybody else with a scream random a madman. And they're trying to change his either. So, you know, people pull the cultural ever for all kinds of the wrong reasons. You know, the debate. And he finds for redecorates has been his contra means aren't asses the an outcome or a lever. It's both right. Yes. You can ship culture. Yes. You can cut a hybrid Nager. You can create a sense for these behaviors required to exit strategy, but to offer people codify behavior to be correct, right? Some excellent company I mentioned earlier, they spend millions and millions of dollars codifying behavior to correct the culture that was there, and and mysteriously all of the values all of operating principles neighbors barring toward within economic to fix bad behaved. Well, of course, everybody saw right through that. And the last thing is going to break values weapon when when people know that you're there designed to fix them. You can bet at the last minute do is to sign up a change Hager. Hager. So if you're gonna plan to codify behavioral ever, you gotta be curry do it in the service of stategy in the service of is who are identified is in the marketable. And therefore, this is what kind of behavior we need to. The other thing about is that the levers of being the things that shape behavior this shape people's choices days. How you section how you allocate resources how you measure contribution. How you select an advance. How you bike it. So, you know, strategy finance HR, those are the functions that oh, many of the levers that sheep accuse people hit that shave their discretionary towards how they behave. Norwegian for how they speak up meetings or or how many rogue extra mile or don't. So all those levers have to be aligned Nick should've they're encouraging behavior. That's consistent with what you need. And and to be examined in scrutinized. Right pennsly-. We had one company. Call us effort say, hey, our decision making processes are. True. Slow unique people be more entrepreneurial because all the top people be hidden Howard ways. So could you do a work shop for us for our top leaders that run them all through? So we could teach mar knows Linda faster. And we said, well, that's interesting. So that what what would happen? Well, so we can get his exit were quickly. Okay. So how do you know that you'll get how you know that? It's there like of skill that. Is able to them. Well, if other people could start there, so we did a little bit of sitting around and found out that the approval process to get very budget. Wasn't I tested Gers and all the top. There was no information access. So anybody who wanted to make decisions at can access to the data. They needed to them. And there was no expectation that anyone anybody anyone is Jarvis Gershon or anywhere in how over trained that they actually met decision. So the entire system was conspiring to make sure decisions did not get clean. And yet they thought if we shift everybody into a workshop that will change so they have a primary sample of the need to do some very different other than our to do. They all wanted to silver bullet for and so we've been you know, let's we education or training lever. That Sheikh everybody through a workshop for four hours and. Where the where as the origins of unwanted behavior the origins of comedy review Haber to what you need why far deeper levels than just. I completely agree. I think this will go back to original question, which I was gonna get to is what triggered this from what triggered is organization. Embark on this transformation? What was the sense of? This was a real sense of urgency or is it something. Okay. We wanna do this. I I'm sure it was. I mean in the case of the decision making workshop, I'm sure it was executive sitting around saying, why am I getting approval or why do I have to be involved in this stuff? Why are we at this level puffing about this level of pathway? She knows so much pressure. Frustration at some HR personnel. Often took to a mandate to do something. I'm probably not much more. In the case of the food company. It was they will lead market share. They had become a relevant and in the case of the energy company. I it was a a major competitor fraternity. But these acquisitions they put together I out side capital. They needed to behave on company, but they had never done that. So in order to you know, to your life, the apparition they had after they had to reconfigure. So, you know, all offering those cases various degrees of teacher the or strategic mended. But in off no all in two of the cases, full-on understandable, ever take action. Cheese. And I completely agree. And the reason I was diving into that direction this as we all have experienced the hardest thing in in any of these programs that we have. Is to get people out of the conference on we all are used to doing things, and I was going to grad school and organization saints, professor. She said just take off your watch of your left hand put it on your right hand for the duration of the class. And see how uncomfortable you are. And it was so true. And I and I never realized how much used to get to be simple things. And there is one of the interesting now when you we going into these organization, and we obviously change the way they are thinking of rhythm making decisions where they are doing work is going to create. Is going to create some distance. And then even boy this small group of people. But if they have a bigger wife that this becomes very big obstacle that we should be clear and the only way you can do that is to help them on the stem. What is in it for them? The fine organization is trying to modules another comfy. So I'm sitting at the front lines. Why do I get you know? And I'm unless we can build ends nearly and a constant communication communication. Do me is ready. So everything you're saying we have to do a quick read the bottom of the hour. I know you had some hard stop at this you okay to continue or we should. I I don't I might nine thirty spectrum is now, so I have your okay good because I'm gonna give you some time to talk about your. Black is and how you can have listeners. But it's a great conversation. I wanna continue a change because organizational chain and confirmational sometimes people take them synonymous Lee. But to me, it is one of the very important factor and inference in the successful over large sponsored program. But I don't wanna go to other influences because you're. An industry expert in organizational change, so I wanna leverage your brain little more. So help us little more. And then how how what would you give us again, what audiences who are business on off of mid companies of of how they can change behaviors. All even think about that. Do I need change behaviors? Or do I need to something out before I- behavioral change, we might be? Well, I think it starts with every every executive especially in the mid cap world, where the you have the classic, you know, on the on the thirty million dollar company in the body of two million dollars. Ation, you know, or a hundred million dollar company chapter in the body of a fifty dollars Asian. They grew in right? The teenage boy knit dad's suit. Having like rap yet. I think every executive needs to recognize that they have to step back and won't be diagnose. Right. So I some point indicators of of performance or watching the execute some some indicator telling you this not what I want. Any level before you reach for any? Notion of change ask yourself have you done it? You know, nobody would walk into cardiologists office. With pains in their chest and say, you're right here. Scharping right here left of my my my sternum and have occurred out is it. Oh, yeah. You left ventricles clog into stint? Let's call. Oakland, and you might well don't you want to see? That I know many times you you would run office. Well, why as an executive is you thought, you know, gosh, releasing market share or gosh, we'd had to customer to customer defect in the last six weeks, always a fluke. They were just outside. Anyway, get why if you saw symptoms of you know, that pain in your chest could've been indigestion, right? Independent indicator got mess apart. Why goodness sake? Would you not wanna know and thorough? Jess, you would expect a cardiologist you into MRI and get a deep diagnosis report anything you want have away. If you're saying indicators that the emissions not synchronized where you want. And I know one of the classic calls from CEO's. I'm pulling all these levers and nothing's happening, right? Which is telling me that you're sitting at a control board as a CEO that's not anything. So. You wanna wanna understand before before you intervene in anyway? Why is what's happening happening? And why isn't what you want to be and no assumption that you know? We have some hints you may have some proof. But if you just recklessly and reflexively reaching for duct tape. To make change happen quickly. You're gonna get worse. And then you have the the more failed change you on your own of these in the more common. You need it for them with income more stress than you really have to change. They don't trust you. Right. You you promise them changing or haven't illiterate. And so now, you're depositing needed change into a very cynical environment. We call this too shall pass flow people to sit there that this show pass. Yeah. Yeah. It before. One of the next Netflix. You gotta understand that change is part of your job. It's no different than if you. A CEO. Couldn't read PL a CEO didn't have a strategy which by the way, right common. CEO's often confused mission statement or the annual operating plan or the product quality. They had so many outfits understanding Savvides. But when I asked them, we want this you over the person for speaker. Why would why would customers choose you over the person? You're they can't tell me they can't tell me what differentiates them competitively whether indebted, and they can't come a little customers. They won't sir. And so, you know, on the very beginning CEO's and Mason, you don't understand fundamentals of of our business needing you gotta stay swim lane remind that invested nestling you got to. So you're Jami that in a way that attract customers went away from other choices. By so often, they have counterfeit versions of that. And and the market rewards them. I said you have never news you have growth, you see some of the market you hit a Mitch. And you just hit the gas pedal, assuming that that's all feedback that you're doing the right thing until yeti cliff. Excellent. So you mentioned about looking at indicators, do you have any central indicators? Or you're talking about basic business. Hal to get the same indicators you need to contrast for changes. Well, I think you support growth, right? So have you seen first of all do you have a strategy? You had you have really a Stephen differentiator and Kim Yanni though than and growth plan is it rounded in reality. You have data that says your market your targets are your industry can tolerate asking. It strategy understood by every single employee. I don't care whether that's a hundred thousand or thirty is everybody in your company understand how what they're doing contributes to that. Those are the no you only every place, you're not sure just assume that's worth. And Secondly, are you do you have the right metrics, you have metrics that would tell you whether or not you're many harvests on reparations. And where are you have a set of this sharing responsibility and sharing responsibility for the organization said it'll be there's don't come to the investor. So I don't want to know the UN around you. But I want you back to the front marketing investor from fails investor from operations, I want to have a set of active who only been run. Again. I don't care if you're a hurt employees or thousand forty days. So if you haven't got those things just a basic in place right away. I can I can uncover all kinds of risks in Mike Leigh's data functions about who you are marketplace. And how well you'll grow. Excellent point excellent point. So so. Breaking barriers debating new opportunities is what the the whole subject of our show is all about and having a clear strategy having clear girlfriends understanding, what makes you different than your competitors. What are your sustainable competitive different stages? Our he while your success when you're picking your from me from programs on the most important thing is how is this program. How is this initiative going to help me achieve my vision? So with that I would like to. 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The Surprising Simplicity Of Change

The Ken Coleman Show

48:36 min | 3 years ago

The Surprising Simplicity Of Change

"Setting the pace on the pursuit of happiness. This is the Ken Coleman show where you discover what you were born to do and how to make it happen. Now, helping you get unstuck and on the path to your dream job, Ken Coleman. A warm, welcome from Nashville. You're joining a conversation about who you are, what you were born to do, where you want to be and how you can get there, throw the heavy with us eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven is the number. This is where America comes to talk about career calling purpose, the destination that you dream of going to. It's a safe place because you have the answers. I am just here to help you find them, and so welcome if you're new to the show thrilled to have you eight four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven, eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven folks already standing by. Maybe today's the day that you make the call. If you're listening via our podcast on apple podcasts and you want to call it on the show were here daily on a live format. So that means you can call in leave a voicemail, even when the show is not live or during the show, if you don't get through leave a voicemail, and we will get back to you in line you up when you can do it. So we're here for you. You can also Email your question. Ask it, can Coleman show dot com coming up a little bit later. Sold use. We like to do this middle of the week soldiers coming to you from my friends at fearless motivation today rise to the new this is going to really help you out so that coming up and your phone calls, let's get to it. We start off with Lauren is on the line in Cincinnati, Ohio, Lauren, you're on the Ken Coleman show. I can. I'm so grateful to be here today and talking with you. Thank you. My pleasure. How is it going. It's going good. I love each about that. You're living the dream right now. I'm creating the dream and in that process of creating it, I feel like that's also part of living it. I'm very excited. Good for that. So excited to talk to you about this. So what's going on? What do you need help with today? So I think I'm really looking for some clarification invalidation from someone who inspires me. I've been a hair designer for fourteen years now and I've been a single fulltime mother for five years. Yeah, I work part time at a salon and twice a month. I lead a free form or a static dance class. So I have come to find that my two passions are dancing and helping people. So I decided last week to enroll myself and I've started in a life coaching school. So over the next six months, I'll be going to school to become certified to be life coach. And within that I've had this vision of if people are open to it, having our verbal coaching sessions, one on one and then offering nonverbal coaching through dancing, one on one together to help people heal and Cree and let go. No, I think especially living in Cincinnati on somewhere that this is a little bit outside of the box. And within that when I have an idea, more ideas start to grow. So beyond that, I thought, what about if I opened on a larger scale a center where maybe I have people come through like you or Christy Wright who are offering motivational workshops and seminars. I'm also teaching the coaching in the dancing or if I kind of start with one thing at a time, start with the coaching and the dancing and and focus on how I can combine those in create a market for that. Well, I love your ideas and I think that you've got a tremendous amount of passion. I think this is going to be a one thing at a time or a part time on top of a full-time strategy. And if I am hearing you correctly, you really love the idea of coaching people in their life and really helping them get where they want to go and get out of the situation that's holding them back. That's what re. Really gives you juice. All right? Yes. So I think that you need to continue to pursue that get the certification, the qualification that you need and get that up and running. That is not going to be a full-time gig right out of the gate just by the nature of you have to open up your own shop if you will, and so you've got to bring people to you. So I do like the fact that you are a hairdresser and a successful one. So I think that as you're building the life coaching business up, you're going to have to part time jobs and that is the hairdressing and the life coaching as the life coaching business grows and requires more of your time than you have to cut back on the hairdressing. Now, somewhere in there is this dance school and teaching dance. I think you can do the teaching of dance a little bit. You know where where life allows you, you're single mom, so you know your hours, you know your margin better than I do. So I don't think you give that up, but that's that's a part part time. That's that's a less of a time commitment than the hairdressing and the life coaching. But as the life coaching grows that business and you cut back on the hairdressing, then I think you try to do a little bit more with the dancing because you've got to support yourself in your kiddos. And so that's why this is a bit of a dance to to use a metaphor here. This is a, you know, two steps this way. One step this way. It's going to be a process of building. And in the right time, you can develop more in the dance. So what we'd like to see in two or three years from now as you completely out of cutting hair your life coaching businesses is sustaining you and you're also teaching dance, how you combine life coaching and dancing. I don't know. But one thought that I have is that as you build your life coaching business, if you as you're developing your core content on top of what you've been trained with and you're listening to my show and you're here how I coach other people, you're going to begin to develop your own voice. And as you do that, maybe you go, you know what? I'm going to infuse my dance lessons in to my life coaching if they choose to do this and you offer it as like a special session, maybe you can charge a premium for. I don't know. I just think that will take care of itself. So I wouldn't spend a lot of time Lauren trying to figure out how. Due life coaching with dance. I think win that reveals itself to you. That's when you can incorporate it, but it wouldn't work too hard on that right now. It's full steam ahead on getting that life coaching business up and running. And I think when you do that, you're going to be so fulfilled. And that's an addition to what we're going to call the day job right now, and that is cutting hair and designing hair predate the Call Laura what a great way to start the show today. I got so excited. I I was having a hard time putting work together there so I don't know what's going on. I'm a little bit fired up eight four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven eight four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven. Let's go to Brian, who's on the line and Edmund ten Canada, Brian, you're on the Ken Coleman show. Thanks for taking my call. Appreciate it. Sure. Brian, how can I help. I am in Ghana, the crooks of of life. Right now, I've got an opportunity bit of a fork of the road couple of years ago. I took a step back and I left the larger corporate company, large portfolio slept there. Slept, they're smaller business. It hasn't worked out in terms of promises made versus cap. And so I began to develop a consulting group kind of consulting company on the side, helping people with projects that don't conflict with current work. But it was just approached by company that asked if I'd be interested in stepping into a role where there'd be a five year transition into the leadership and ultimately ownership of the company. And I'm trying to determine how do I, how do I love the idea in many respects, but I've found their stand if it's it's my sweet spot, which I'm still trying to figure out what it is. Okay. Well, we gotta figure out your sweet spot. I before I can even hope to give you an idea whether or not this new offers a great opportunity for you. So what are you unclear of when you know what I'm talking about when I say the sweet spot. So what part of it or is it both sides, talent and passion, or you're not sure what those lists are, or you know what your top talents are and Utah passionate, but you're not sure how they combined to come together. I know what they are. I love people. I love crosses. I love product, but I we began to develop our business a couple of years ago and we got hit with a just a set of circumstances that left us in a bad position. So sometimes you look at it and you have to feel it. And so there's the fear of moving one way or the other. So top talents, love people, business development opportunity to go business and being true leadership, which is where it spent much of my life, the hold Awsat com. Hold on. That's passion. That's not talent you correct. You what you just described as what you love. What are your? What are your top talents and strengths and skills? What are they building relationships, analyzing the state of something, and basically putting a plan together that walks them through, say they're troubled or obstacles into a a good future. So I took a portfolio of a company that was really messed up and grew it in four years. We had more than four fig. Business impli by analyzing coming up with a plan and all the moving parts that were associated with it. I was instrumental in making those happen and working with the team to really implement a great, great skill. See, I think that absolutely. That is your sweet spot. I think what you just described as your sweet spot is your sweet spot. Let me let me spit it out to you in short form. You can make it pretty later, but I think what are your, I think your sweet spot using your top talent of analyzing problem solving and that those are your top talents and just straight up organization, fixing problems through process, and you love to do it with people. You love to absolutely love to put people and processes together. You like fixing problems in the way you do. It is with processes through people. That's what you that's hit you. Yup. Right? So it's dead exactly. Well, yeah, you, you don't want to be in a room by yourself scheming you you like scheming, analyzing and then getting the team together and motivating them do it. You're not just the process. Got your people got to. I. I collect, I listen, dude, I think you need to be in leadership. I think I think you're, I think your sweet spot is leading teams. That's what I think. Do you disagree with that? No, I don't disagree with. All right. So then now every time I step away, I jumped back into it. Exactly. All right, hold always back into it. So I don't know why you were uncertain when this call started, but I don't want to spend our time on that. I'm not sure what's going on in your head and heart, but you need to figure out what that is that caused you to doubt that because when I actually just started walking you through the simple questions I do with every caller you confidently started spitting out answers. So there's just a lack of confidence based on something, and that's just garbage. So you need to acknowledge it is that your passion is leading people. So now let's get back to this this. Here's where you're at. Here's your fork. Your fork is stay where you're at. And for the time being it's not what it was promised to be, but it at least as a stable situation. And you've started your own side gig that could develop into something because you really enjoying the side. Gig. I'm all right. Yeah, more than the regular exactly or this new opportunity which could lead to ownership, not just leading and being one of the top leaders, but ownership. So. What are your concerns about this new opportunity? Is that culture is at the owners is, are you a little bit worried about getting burned because you've already in a situation where promises weren't met? Is that what's holding you up on this? Because as it stands to me, it's a great leadership opportunity for you and seems like a no brainer. What am I missing? Probably a little bit of being burned. Part of the other side of it is the first year when we've executed a contract. The first year I spend the majority of my time doing business development and not necessarily in leadership so. But it's trying to go with the role. Yeah, but is it worth it? It boils down to the believe it is. Are you? Here's what both down to it's. This is the question that you have to answer yourself. Is it worth spending a year doing something that I'm not super jacked about, but I can do it? Is it worth it for the opportunity to do on? I love to do for a long time. I believe so, yeah, there's your answer. Eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven folks. That's how it that's how it works. I it this process that you're going through the situation. The details are different than what Brian's going through. But at the end of the day, it all comes down to a clarifying question. Once you're clear once you're clear on who you are. And what you wanna do. Then you just start stripping the whole scenario down. And the fork in the road that Brian was considering is really not a fork. I think it's a one lane. And it's a no brainer. One lane. I mean, just boom jump over there. Are you willing to give up to go up. And if the answer's yes then do it. Eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven coming up more of your phone calls. And one of our favorite little segments on the show we do it on Wednesdays called sold juice. You don't wanna miss that. All that and more coming up on the Ken Coleman show here on Sirius XM. Folks. I've been talking about this forever. The job market is unbelievable right now, more jobs available in the United States than there are people who are unemployed, recent data over six million jobs available. You listen to the show because you want to do the work that you love, you're listening, you know what you do best, you know what you love to do most. Now you just need to put it together in a smart way, the smartest way to get yourself out. There is with my friends at ZipRecruiter. Their technology is second to none. Why? Because of the matching part of their technology, you put in what you want to do, what you're good at, they take your information and they're like your personal recruiter twice as ZipRecruiter. It's fast and efficient. They put you in front of the people who are going to be hiring you. That's why it is so efficient. So here's the deal. If you are an employer and you're looking for somebody who can change the game for you, you can try ZipRecruiter for a limited time for free. All you gotta do is go to ZipRecruiter dot com. Slash kin. It is the smartest way to. Get hired and it is the smartest way to hire. Played a lot of air guitar right now. We could see it. All it takes is a little Tom petty. This is one of my all time favorite Tom petty song. I won't back down. Oh, that's good. By the way when you play air guitar, Tom petty, it's not a super passionate. You know, jump around the stage guitar. It's kind of a soul, chill guitar, right. Just if you think about the lyrics. We, we're going to be launched a YouTube channel. Soon. I can say that and this is when you'll get to see the tar. It's probably Joe when you say hot five, all time, bad air guitar, playing what I just pulled off. Yeah, Madison, the assistant producer just literally ignored me. She screening calls. She's getting people lined up, and I saw her look at me and I was playing the guitar and she just gave me this look like, oh, okay, I'm not sure what's happening there. Joe, on the other hand encourages it. It makes him laugh and it scares Madison. So yeah, thank you very much. All right. It's mid week or could get back to your calls momentarily. But we started this fun tradition back when I was training for the half marathon here Nashville. So if you're new to the show, I started playing stuff in my ears during songs motivational stuff from these guys entitled, fearless motivation. That's who they are. That's that's kind of what they label themselves and they've got these just awesome. What do you call it spoken word albums, if you will, and I would play these things in my ear in between songs just to keep me going, and I decided one day to play it on the show and you liked it. And so it's short, it's sweet. Here's the deal. If you're listening to me in the car, you're listening on demand via podcasts, whatever you're doing. I want you to check out here because these messages have been chosen specifically, they speak to me. I know they'll speak to you and it's funny how these things sometimes hit you right, where you're at. Today's clip comes from one of their tracks entitled rise to the new you. You will not stop until you become everything. You will never. That Kanda person doesn't procrastinate. They just do. They just dotted hit. I learned to listen. They applaud the lessons and turn them into thin. That type of piston Devon stop at Philly. They don't stop at Devi number of setbacks. They find solutions. They'll always work listening and corn, and they are certainly never stopping wrist. If you must, don't you dare stop. That type of person to others opinions unless unless they are valuable, listen, sometimes you have to take on criticism and apply, must be smart and strong enough to ignore the hate of in ignore the negativity that is not value. Some people just eight for no reason focused all your energy on your in that type of person. They choose toward over, they choose to work out oversleeping. Thank you to give time to things that tech them closer to their goals. Now, further away that type of person is on. They all honest with themselves in where they are in line and take responsibility for clothing together. They on honest with others and always live with integrity. Knowing you can never be successful living alive or living your life trying to be someone else. I know you're talk, but what if you could give, I know they don't believe in you would if you believe in you, who could you become if you started to back yourself. Good stuff there from fearless motivation. By the way, if you check them out on Spotify, I tuned YouTube just incredible stuff. Love, love love what they do. It is juice for my soul, and I hope you got something out of that great message. They're great message there. Rise to the new I, this is this is about. I'm not where I wanna be a know where I wanna go and and and it's just a moment in time. One of my favorite things that Dave Ramsey does is my mentor. Obviously, the executive producer of this show, and I get to be with David alive events every year and and one of the signature moments that he does on the stage many times and it really connects with the audience in in in. So it's my favorite thing to watch if you will. 'cause I watched the audience respond to him, but he does this deal where he's talking about, of course, the baby steps in money and deciding at some point, you know, I'm just going to change the way I, I handle money. I'm going to get out of this debt. I'm gonna change my life and he says, there's a point when all of us have to at some point just change any class like that change. And Dave goes from the super passionate guy to this. So simple, just change. Just like a. Crowd really response to it, right. And and it's funny in that what people realize when he does that it's it's as simple as that right now. Just that quick is quick as the clap. Boom, I just decided I'm gonna change my life and I'm gonna be who I'm supposed to be. I'm going to start chasing everybody else's dreams. I'm going to stop chasing what everybody says about me or what I should do. I'm gonna stop living the lie that somebody else put on me or projected on me, whatever it is. I'm going to be me and it starts right now. Okay. Like right now my clock right here to twenty one forty two eastern do. I just decided today right now and it's going to start with the smallest things. Here's why we don't make change that quickly and that simply because we think there's got to be a massive plan that I'm ready to hit execute on, like there's a red button that goes start. No, the decision to change happened less than a minute ago to twenty one and forty two seconds to twenty two eastern time. Right now, sixteen seconds. I in less than a minute ago. I just decided I'm gonna change. Do I have to have a plan? I have to do seven things right now in the next hour. No. But I've decided mentally. It's a now going before. I'm not going back. Eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven. Some of you just need to decide to call today or tomorrow or the next day. I I'm tired of not being clear. I'm gonna give this guy shot. I'm gonna see if Ken can help me figure it out by the way. Here's the reassuring thing about the show. I don't have the answers. Let people are turning the show off like crazy right now. No, no, no, no. Listen to me. I don't have the answers. You do now? I am quite confident that if you're honest with me and honest with yourself, we can find the answers, but I don't have them. You have them and I get the fun job of just cracking the old chest open, and let's examine the heart. Somebody said the other day, how would you describe your radio show? This was at a football practice for my son. How would you describe your show? I go, well, I'm in the heart. Business guy. Looks at me like now, are you a cardiologist? I'm not kidding. You like non. And I'm sorry here. Here's what we do. We we talk about this, but at the end of the day, what I was trying to tell you is, is it that's what it's come down to to me, Joe. I were a year in. We're in the heart business. We're just trying to uncover people's hearts. Help you come alive again, eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven. Let's go to Jennifer. Who's on the line in gig, harbor, Washington, Jennifer, you on the Ken Coleman show. Ken? Hi, Jennifer. How are you? I'm good hoping to be better. Okay. How can I help. Well, I've been doing the same thing or I really longtime. Okay. Five years I've been in the same field for thirty five years and it is really a pain. What have you been doing? But I don't know where to go. Okay. Hygienic dental hygiene. It's very specific, and my degree is very specific to that. Well, that's fine because you don't you. Your degree is not a prison. Okay. All right. And you're just ready to move on. Already two minutes I get. How old are you and how much do you need to make. Fifty. And seventy five or eighty. In that range. Okay. What you find a backwards they far. Gotcha. You got to okay. How much do you have in windy think it's going to be paid off. Well, unfortunately I bought a new car in January before I started this stuff. So I am at about sixty five thousand. How much of it is the car, how much how much of it are. Oh boy. Okay. Now on one hand that that makes me hold on one second. I'm gonna get my indigestion medicine here real quick because that makes me, oh, that's heartburn right there. That's that's a lot. But on the other hand, I think we can move this thing it. What's the car worth right now? You've only had it for a few months. Yeah, I Kelley blue book recently. It was twenty nine still flip pretty close to pay for it. I, I gotta tell you Jennifer, get out of that car the they'll be a time. We get another car Newark, but get out of the car. That's gonna immediately eliminate a lot of debt, obviously, and a lot of stress. And that's just so important for your future. Because if we can get you somewhere else, make it seventy five to eighty in the near future, and you don't have all that debt and half of it's gone instantly. That's a game changer. So it's really important right now do whatever you gotta do drive something that's just not so great and get back on the momentum train. What is the rest of the debt. Business loan. I was doing hygiene. I was going into, you know, to that'll family homes and I really liked that, but there's just not. It's not steady. I couldn't make it steady enough to make a decent living at it. So you were doing dental hygienist work in nursing homes that was your full time gig. Yes. So you made it your business and took out a loan to get yourself off often running. Could? Yes, by all the equipment and everything? Yeah. Oh, good. What's your monthly payment on that business loan? It's a personal one to my aunt, so it's whatever I give her. Okay. Is there pressure coming from the ant on that one. No, it's it's me. All right, right. So so you know what you gotta do your new to daveramsey air and new to me. So you know what you gotta do, but we just can't go any further without saying, you got to get rid of that car. That's gonna help. All right. So let's get back to work that you'd love to do. I mean, let's just dream for a little bit. I know it's been a long time since you've done something you're fired up about, but I still think you know work that you would enjoy doing, what would it be? Because here's what's interstate before you answer that. You said a moment that you really enjoyed doing the dental hygienist work in the nursing home, you enjoyed it, but you just couldn't get it going. Why did you enjoy it? It's it's the people and they so appreciate it. You know, I mean, if people that that aren't able to get out in, you know themselves, it's done so I would go to them and a lot of them I would see in their wheelchairs and some of them in their biz. And. And how did it make you feel at the end of the day, despite the stress take away that you were trying to get this thing off and often run it on your own, but just the work itself. How did it make you feel. Really good. So here's what I was doing something worthwhile because you were. So Jennifer, what if you're able to? Because I don't think it was about the dental work. I think it was about the people, the specific people that you are able to help. I don't think you would have cared whether or not you were doing dental work or showing them how to color. I mean, being silly here point, am I right now? That's true. So let me ask you this in your area. How can you help those types of people? Maybe it's working in a hospital or maybe it's working for a nursing home, you know, I don't. I don't know. You need to go do some research, but I think you know what worked makes you come alive. I don't think that it's a big mystery for you. I have some callers that we really have to walk through talent and passion, and figure out what that sweet spot is. I think you know what it is in my right. It'd be I was thinking something different, but all you think. Yeah, I really did enjoy that thinking, oh, I don't know back when I was in college. I, I would have gone something more creative. Like what do you mean example in interior design or architecture? Do you have done along those lines that you have the talent and skills to pull that off? If you start training and teaching yourself those the skill sets there, but the interior design. Let's take that as an example. I don't know. I've never. I don't know if you've ever done any interior design. No cause to my own house, which is, you know, right? But I mean, those don't don't be they'll be modest creative. Do you have talent at it? Are you good at it? You see yourself doing it in other places when you walk into a room to you automatically drawn to. Well, this looks better this way, or I would do this kind of sometimes. Yeah. Okay. So here's the exercise for you. Okay. You need to think what worked most makes me happy if I could be creative. Interior design person architecture. That's a whole different ballgame. So you need to go do some research on that. But when you're looking into all the different jobs in architects architecture, so that industry. So think about that. And then you think about interior design working for maybe a construction company that's doing a lot of houses and they want you to stage rooms start thinking about all the all the potential roles that are going to pay seventy and eighty grand. That's your reality. Okay. That's where you're at financially right now. You've got some debt to pay off. You can't go backwards. So you've got some time even though you're not thrilled with doing dental, hygienic work, you gotta keep doing it right now, but I want you to go back and think about why you loved working with those patients, and you already gave us a snapshot of that, but you start to think about that and right out all the things about that type of a role in serving those type of people that you love and then do the same thing with if I could be an interior designer. Well, what I love about that go sit down and have coffee with an interior designer in your area. Ask them everything about their role. You got to gather information and if anything outranks. The taking care of the patients in the in the senior care facility, then you listen to that and you go dive into a deeper. I just have a sneaking suspicion. Nothing's going to outrank that. I think you just bored out of your mind and probably in a bad culture in the dental hygienists work that you're doing. I think I think it's it's less about what you're doing and who you're doing it for. And I think it's those patients in those. Those disadvantage are disenfranchised or people that are just kind of on the borders. I just think there's a lot of opportunity there, so it may be more of a nurse role or something like that, and that's something you can do over time, but this is going to be incremental for you because you got debt to pay off. So think of this dental hygienist job right now as a great gift because it pays you pretty darn well. And once you sell that car, you can pay off at loan, your aunt quicker than you realize then it's a game changer. So in the time it's gonna take for you to pay off your debt. You're doing a lot of research. And again get back to what do I do best and how can I use that to do? And I love to do most eight four, four, seven, four seven two five, seven seventy four, four seven, four, seven, two five, seven seven is the number now we go to brianna. Who's on the line and calico Rock Arkansas. Brianna. You're on the Ken Coleman. Show. Brad, can't have you. I am living the dream, brianna. How are you? I'm nervous. Don't be nervous as just me for heaven's sakes. What's going on today. And so my question is is I'm getting my CNA degree the brain or my in a night as aside nursing. And I want to know if I pursue a career in nursing. Well, why do you want to be a certified nursing assistant. Because I think I would enjoy that work and a. It's been recommended to me by several nurses who work at profession. That's a good way to start to get that might be something that you would like to continue to pursue. They are very smart ladies because that's that's exactly what I was going to say to you. I wanted to know why you wanted to be certified nursing assistant before I answer. Should you pursue nursing? And my answer to that question is only if you get into this certified assistant role and you get to see nursing up close and personal and you're going to get to do that. You just nobody's going to be at a to be able to tell you what to expect better than what you will learn and after you see it up close and personal and let the honeymoon phase let that fade away. Okay. I mean, you know anything. Anything's exciting for the first two months, but I right. Right. So as you're getting into this role, I want to know what you think about nursing six months from now. And if six months from now you go, I would love to be a nurse. Because I know the upsides and I know the downsides and after you know, the good and the bad, brianna. If you still want to be a nurse and it's just it's something you can't stop thinking about like you really wanna do it. Do you understand what I'm saying? You've had that feeling before attitude. All right. Now, listen. All right. So you know what it feels like if that exists then absolutely step right into it. Here's what's great the relationships in the experience you're going to get before you go into nursing school, and here's the other thing police be patient and cash flow. Your nursing program, please. You're you're on babysit three good for you bringing. I am very excited for you. I think you're going about this the right way. This is absolutely the proximity principle, which is. I'm good. I'm glad you feel that way you're you're doing the right thing because right now on a scale of one to ten, one being not sure, ten being absolutely certain. How much for an eight could aid that you want to be a nurse? Yeah, eight. So then this is the proximity plain out, and here's it's great. You're almost done with the certification. You're gonna get in there. You're gonna make some good money, and you've already had some nurses tell you that this is a great move, so I appreciate you calling me, but you bring in a deserve a sticker. If I had a sticker, I'd give you a sticker because you you're doing it the right way. This is the best way to determine whether or not something is in your sweet spot because you've got all the skills to do this. This is going to come down to passion and and you're gonna figure it out. So brianna, here's the deal. I want you to call me back if you decide that nursing is the play and then you get into nursing. I want you to call back and let's do a dream scream, shall we. Sounds good. All right, brandy. You're awesome. Good stuff. They're eight, four, four, seven, four, seven, two, five, seven, seven, we're rolling. Let's keep going here. Let's go to Chris. Who's on the line and Tri cities, Tennessee, Chris, you're on the Ken Coleman. Show. Hey, Ken, how are you? I am living the dream purse. How are you doing? Well, good. I'll get right to my question here. I would like to know I get some advice on how I can support my wife as she prepares for a transition or career. Currently she is in the banking world and that's not really a passion of hers. She, she went to college right out of high school, and she did her first two years completely fine. And she ended up taking a break from school. Transferring schools are suing another patch. You know, another thing she thought she was passionate about. She'd been decided not to do that. She went back to school again. We got married, and then once I got married, we had she was in school for one semester and we realized it wasn't working out and so reacts, we decided that we decided to get her out of school for for now, and we decided, hey, let's go get just a regular job. We not someone who that we're close to that had a connection to get into the banking world and it sort of come toxic industry for her and not really enjoying it. So she wanted to, what does she want to do? Well. She her passion is working with children, and she teaches dance classes in the evenings, and she had originally looked at doing early childhood intervention in school, but now she thinks that her passion and she does have a passion this just from knowing or is working with special education, young young kids or be more specific, who's that ideal special audience that she gets fired up about. I would say anyone school age elementary only at the high school, probably. All right. Now let's go back to something you said and and you confirm this you went and it is a passion from knowing her as her husband one, is it what drives that? What? Why does she light up working with special needs children. Just ever since I've known her, she just has such a heart for them. I think she is passionate about them because she sees that a lot of times they don't get the attention for most people that they deserve. And I think she's a, she's a very compassionate person. And I think she she feels like she's made to fill that need. And I'm like for the first time in my life, I feel like she knows exactly what she wants where she wants to go with our direction, but really my question is more of a has to do with the process. Yeah, I'm a little concerned because obviously she would need for the most part. She may need to go back to school to get certification made at least it, maybe maybe, but I'm a little wary about going back to school right now for because we've tried it. She's tried several times and it just hasn't worked out. She hasn't had this excess that why why? And I don't want to spend much time. On this just gimme that or three word answer. Why hasn't school worked out for her? I think she has a hard time applying herself when it's not something she's very passionate about ding, ding, ding, telling what he's one, Joe, I, this is the issue, Chris. I mean, I I was the same way I was bored out of my mind. I, I could go on a rant about this. So you're right about putting her back in school, but you're way ahead of me. I want you to slow down. Let's identify to the best of our ability because she's not on the phone name the job. If we could give it to her what she make right now, I'm gonna lead you along the path. What does she need to make. What is she meet the make financially what if we're gonna replace her Bank salary? What is it. Right now she's making probably twenty to twenty five thousand a year. Okay, so that's the answer to what she needs to make. I mean, baseline, we'd like to make more, but right now she makes twenty five. You don't want her to go backwards, correct, right. Okay. So let's just say that minimum she needs to make twenty five thousand. Correct. Okay. What if I could give her a job tomorrow? She starts tomorrow morning. Working in the school system or in a private care facility, working with special needs, children just love and on and taking care of their basic needs. This is not required a great if I could get her that job making twenty five and you. We surprised her like I knocked on your door tonight at dinnertime. And I said, hey, it's Kim, Chris. And I talked earlier today, we've been scheming and I'm here to tell you that you've got this job at this learning center starting tomorrow, and you're working with special needs. Kids, kids you've always wanted to work with. And here's the good news. You make twenty eight thousand dollars a year. How would she react? I think she would cry with joy. Okay. Then Chris, this is not that difficult. This is not an unsolvable mystery. So it starts with you sitting down going, hey, for the first time I've seen you come alive when you think about this. I know it, you know it and blame it on me. I love being the guy who you get to be the. I'm the conversation starter, hey, called candidate, and I talked to him, you know what he said. And so here's the deal. I took it on myself and I found five different places in the Tri cities that serve special needs, children children with physical and mental disabilities, and turns out that three of them are hiring. I mean, this is how it starts. It's just research now who's right, who's doing what she wants to do in the Tri cities? Question one. Question two. Are they hiring question three. What positions are they hiring for? Question four. What qualifications or experience if necessary is needed? Question five. Can I get that? Can I get it quickly or do I even need it? And I just think that she can make that move sooner rather than later. But it's something. Yeah, I think from my perspective, you know, I was kinda trying to see if I mean like you said, there are some physicians in that field that don't require college. Some that do and my my personal preference would be for her to go out into the field and and it may be that when if she finds that that is what she wants to do, maybe school is something we cashflow later. Yes versus versus going back to school right now and it. Yeah, but you're the one that keeps coming back to school, but you keep coming back to school right now? Everything I just said, had nothing to do with school right now. I don't think she needs to go to school at all. I think to do what she wants. If she wants to be a teacher in a public school system, she will need a degree, right? If she wants to teach those kids in a public school or private school setting, she will need a degree. What if she just wants to love on them and train them and work with them in a private facility or maybe a government facility, you guys got to do some research. I know what you're looking at. First before you determine whether she's got to go back to school and you're exactly right if she needs that additional education, she will be fired up to go get that. But right now, let's just get her out of the Bank and get her love it on the kids that she wants to be around and I'm telling you those positions are available, especially at work where she's at financially twenty five thousand. I mean, that's really low. She should be able to find something so go help do the research. Okay. And then once you do the research, it's very simple. What do I need to know what I need to learn? How long is that gonna take much? Is it going to cost basic questions details into a now? We've got a plan now. We've got a plan. But this is an important point here. And I don't wanna skip past this. You got a husband who cares deeply for his wife, Chris, great dude, you won't talk about a great dude. That guy's a great, okay. But even Chris's locked up on, well, I just I don't want her to have to go back to school because just hadn't worked out. Great. Then they'll go back to school. Why does education and schooling have to be a roadblock at the beginning of the research? It doesn't. And here's the point I'm not getting on Chris. What I'm doing is pointing out how the human brain works. My brain works. This way your brain works this way. What am I talking about? I'm talking about limiting beliefs it. There's all kinds of psychological studies on this. Go look it up. You Google limiting beliefs that there's scads and scads of research, but our brain we what what happens is we tend to identify obstacles before we fully. Research and figure out what is absolutely necessary. So we're going well in college. Mean colleges college college. This didn't work. We can't afford it and you're running around in a mental and emotional circle when what you need to be doing is going, okay, who in my area takes care of these people. That I wanna be taken care of. Great instant answers. Are they hiring yes or no? What are the hiring for I walked even those questions. That's the process. If you get to the end of all of that research. And you have to have a college degree. Then we deal with that. Then she can stay in the Bank. Okay, because I want to play the rest of this story out that we didn't get to on the call. If she has to get a degree, this is he find out she wants to teach kids special needs kids. She's got to get the degree. She hasn't had a good college experience up to this point, but now she's fired up and she doesn't have to quit her Bank job. She stays in the Bank job. She takes them online classes. She does whatever she has to do one course at a time, but she can keep coming back every day and doing schooling. Even the schooling isn't her favorite thing. But schooling is what she's got to do to do what she wants to do. And that will keep you fired up because you know, if I do this, I get to do. I wanted it. That's how it works. But we did the research first and then we formulate a plan. Today's quote comes from me. I just decided I want to share this thought the path to the dream job is different for everyone, but there's one common factor in the stories of successful men and women throughout history proximity to the right people in places proximity put them on the path, kept them on the path and move them along the past. So today's question are. Are you in proximity to the right people and right places, our time is almost up, but before I let you go you matter and you do have what it takes. Thanks for joining the conversation until next time. This is the Ken Coleman show press on. Any. Folks. 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The Woody and Wilcox Show for 08-11-2020

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You haven't seen those commercials yet. They were on football this weekend. It's a drug for people who are on chronic pain medication that gets them all bound up. Now they have to take a pill for that. To. Help them on constipated. Themselves need due to their opioid induced constipation or. Another one of those fantastic commercials that run during football where my daughters are like, what does that mean bald your fat you can't get an up and now you can't drop anchor right? We've got a pill for that. We're news is you may not even need a pill for the pain anymore as scientists at Oxford University have found something pretty unique that helps people deal with pain. And? It's right here. Familiar. Wilcox. Chelsea. Chelsea you were around for the. Phenomenon known as the mock arena where you're not yes you are around two. I was yes alive. Yes. Why are you playing the Macarena? Because the researchers at Oxford, university have found that people. Who Do group dancing are better at dealing with pain? Ha. Thank. You can go ahead and sign off. Thank you science. Your tax dollars at work ever since you were a kid. Fell Down and scraped your knee your mom picked you up and started doing the Hokey pokey with you and make it feel better. Right. Back Teaching on their just the BOOT scoot buggy. Any group dancing, not just the macarena that's correct or is it macarena sensitive? Is that sort of the anchor that binds it together hokey pokey chicken dance flash mob mob arena fun time on a cruise ship whipping name. dougie. I don't think that Dougie is a group dance to you. Anything can be a group dance. If you get enough people, the dougie is not for pain that's for constipation. Down out. Dance. Has. Different. Benefit. The stinky leg is for athlete's foot that sort of thing. Stinky. Foot. As for athletes leg I can't remember which way it goes. Let's go help my lips. The songs going to help you with your water lifts. She is a super duper. She can party with the best. No more diapers. Indigestion going away. That must be what this is for. Having. Doubtful. The super. duper Papa. By heartburn gone away. Thank you. Chelsea. I didn't realize that that's what that would be. The theory goes that people who group dancing have high excuse me higher paid intolerances and have better physical. Fitness levels those that don't. I can't wait to see you zoom box jazzercise. Say That when you whip out your jazz hands. Your body releases endorphins, and it's sort of like Long. Lasting pain medication. So. All I'm saying Chelsea's we've made a major breakthrough. Back. been seen with. I can feel my jock itch clearing up. I must be the fall guy thing. Fast girl named US actually for hemorrhoids. No it's not my jacket is nearly gone. Is there a group dance? It goes to the fall guy. Choreographed special thing you do in your hand. You don't know. That's too bad. I can't tell you. If you'd be a member of the club. Okay to do. Can feel my ringworm pairing up already. must be the air wool theme. Still has very little to do with dancing. Eighty to lead into the speaker you gotTA mandates ring. You should see Jan Michael Vincent do the stinky late. You're here. This Terrible donkey woody. I don't have ringworm Chelsea what do you want me to do? So if this show is causing you pain right now which it guaranteed right is gobble partner and do the Superman and he other TV theme song you'd like to play. Wilcox. And my psoriasis feels fantastic. Set the. Teaching Hooker. Pharmacy, but they were all out of it. Group dance. allowed. That topical cream just play the. Dance. With. Somebody. Gave me just rub TJ Ogre Jake. With the pharmacist it was crates any sense to me at all the following program is for entertainment purposes only feeling it's amazing. It's the woody and Wilcox show. They simply couldn't imagine being without each other with woody. What the Hell is the matter with you and Wilcox. Guy Thanks. Insanity the woody and Wilcox show. This is like you know when you're getting your legs wax and they whip that thing off. That's what this is like, and now it's the woody and Wilcox show through this a million times in all my years later. took a depressed. Out Let's do a show. A little bit earlier on the show Wilcox was describing how you could score some cash. Literally by doing next to nothing logging onto a website, right? It had to do with in I think we've mentioned this when this first came up. A Dude filed a class action lawsuit against Beck's beer. Whether you know or not apparently backs claims that their beer is quote unquote. German quality. It says it on the can as a matter of fact. Well when this dude found out that backs is actually made in Saint Louis and not in Germany. He sued the backs people. and has won a class action lawsuit that says the short of it is. Supposedly. If you've bought a bottle of backs in the last four years, you can fill out a form online and they will send you twelve dollars in the mail for your troubles. And if by some chance, you've still got a receipt from when you bought a back spear, they'll send you fifty dollars in the mail. Obviously, with the first one, you don't have to prove it at all. You just have to be fine upstanding citizen who says, yeah I had a becks spear in the last four years Gimme my twelve. You can google it and find the website. Nice. Well, there's even more storage today as subway sandwiches has settled a class action lawsuit as well. You remember this one where it was a class action lawsuit out a Wisconsin where people were suing subway because their foot longs. Were in fact, not a foot long. People taking pictures of their foot longs next to a ruler and many of the sandwiches barely covering eleven inches. And so they filed a class action lawsuit one guy in particular by the way has spent the last two years of his life and five hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. That's legal fees, legal fees for his attorneys. To settle this class action lawsuit well, the good news is he has one. Subway will now begin focusing. And being diligent to ensure that their bread measures both six inches and twelve inches. The man gets a thousand dollars in compensation. and. They will pay his legal fees of five hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. Now granted I could use a thousand. Bucks Sir. Two years of your life and not knowing whether or not. You were ever going to recoup the half a million. You spent suing over an inch. Ovalles could sue over every inch I didn't get. I would be a man air that's comedy I don't know what you mean. Chelsea? That's hilarious. The final settlement will be doled out in January. So that's when we as the general public will be able to hereby swear online that we were shorted longed by subway in some way. I. Want my inch back. I'm sure there are people who have suffered greatly. By six inches. Loss of concert I was no longer able to have relations with my wife after receiving eleven inch foot long sub, Michael Cut Combo. Made me limp. was able to perform. I brought it home to the wife and she said that's not six inches. Six inches is. This isn't Wisconsin. Wisconsin. Federal Court is when the it all came together because they were multiple people filing lawsuits and they brought them all together into a class action. coldplay's shrinkage going on there it may be. The bread is smaller in Wisconsin. You think cold. So does that mean like in what? Arizona the bread is bigger? Get bigger foot long out there in. Arizona. You know how that works don't bigger it just. Hangs. Lower. I'm talking about your Sandwich how course? Right. It's got more sand in it. No it's the heat not the sandy. Called and heat reference. Wow selects humid to me. How I would I don't know what you mean the job picture my foot long in Beaumont Texas is very moist. January win will be able to rub our hands. Together. and. Make a foot long really foot long I for one will not be able to sleep. I will not sleep until that decision comes down. The woody and Wilcox show I need you to take a look at our social media right now there is what I'm calling a very effective. Public Service announcement. About kids. And the what they're seeing online sadly, this is not from the United States of America. This is actually from New Zealand where they want to get the message across to parents that maybe your kids are viewing don't videos Places that you didn't even think of and the PSA shows a couple of nude adult film stars ringing the Doorbell of a woman's home to talk to her about this issue. I am. This is Derek we because your son just looked this up online you know to what? People. So they're completely nude at her front door and she's calling for the kid like somebody here to see you. And it is pretty fascinating because if you think about it kids today, it's more than just a laptop or a phone listen. So he watches he online. On his laptop. Station he's fine your. projector anyway, we usually performed for adults your son's just a cave. He might not know how relationships actually work. We don't even talk about consent daily now just get straight to it doesn't have like that in real life. The kids shows up and sees who's at the front door. He's got a bowl of cereal in his hand. Charles. Sandra. Calm. You know what to do here. All right. Maybe sounds like time to have a talk about the difference between what you see online and real life relationships not judgment many young Ki- Liza using corn to learn about six keep it real online get help and advice a keep it real online dot g-o-v at dot indeed. Several things there at the end young Kiwi is is not a term that we hear very guy forget that they call one another Kiwis and then when you're referring to a child, he's a young Kiwi that does strike me as funny but yes, I got it and so obviously there's a lot too. I like the message IMF struggling with the accent. Obvious. It's funny that you say that our Buddy Charlotte traffic guy has just tweeted at us. Wait many kids are using online porn to learn about six wild. This fun before right there at the end where they saying. Really Online. Kiwis using porn to learn about six, keep it real online, get help and advice. That's actually an e in that word it's I believe it's s e x and not the number six right for folks like Chelsea and several others very confusing the accent. Why don't we see PSA's like this anymore just not watching the right TV channels because when we were kids growing up right likely this anymore were there what you mean what do you mean New People? Well, no, I mean just PSA. The in your face truth of what's going on is that what you mean? Yes, the data learned it from watching you commercial. This is your brain on drugs stuff, right but the thing about those are thirty plus years old. Right the kids today they are they seeing. This Mr Yuccas mean Mister Yuccas Green. We've gone through this before. Right my whole life has based on that and Chelsea doesn't even know what that means is you know until I met you that was very important PSA do we even have PSA's anymore? That's a great question I don't remember seeing them for some time outside of you know this is your brain on drugs. Any questions was so long ago do we is it just pretend like things don't exist you don't watch commercials anymore much right on TV. dvr Zip right through it but aside from turn around, don't drown. Your car is not a boat. What are you seeing on commercials? There's one right there but that's it. There, are some sometimes when you're forced to watch commercials sprite. Even if you're streaming something, you can't skip those commercials. Youtube videos or the same way. But we're not seeing that sort of information stop dropping role. Maybe you're like me and lyrics they're happening and you're just not registering. I'm listening to the melody of the. Words I mean I I don't have the answer obviously like so many things in life where's the bear telling me that I can prevent forest fires right? There's another one I think those still are out there. Think so no one's we remember. I don't know you can take a look at the. So now woody is trying to reform America and he did say he's running for president. He wants to be able to drink in the street and he wants more PSA's. Potentially with nude people regardless of what it's for I want a new bear telling me that I can prevent forest fires. I want naked eggs frying in a frying pan right. You can see the video that what he is referencing. It's up on our facebook page. It's also on twitter at woody and Wilcox. In Wilcox show. It. So it's it happened in Florida time, and if you don't know what that means, it means that what he and I are going to share three stories real quick. All of them are true and they could have happened anywhere all over the world. You have to spot the one that actually happened in the crazy consistent state of Florida. Eight four four four ww show what he's got store number one if you recently purchased your very own island for eight million dollars, what are you gonNA do next. By. Some furnishings for the island. Maybe steal some furnishings for the island. From K. Mart. What are you talking about? Dude in story number one recently purchased his own island for eight million dollars. He is now behind bars after he received a refund on three hundred dollars and fifty nine cents worth of goods from Kmart. A loss prevention officer saw the man by the items and then immediately return them but he was doing something different. He was replacing the original item in the box with something else like he bought one of those cured coffee machines, he returned to the K. Mart and inside it had a basketball as opposed to the coffee machine. When he was asked about it by police, he said, well, the clerk should have known there was no coffee machine in there by the weight of the box. Does. Really the kind of people I want to be around that is exactly right. He purchased a bed skirt and returned it for a refund with a pillowcase inside. He bought White. Bulbs. Then exchange them for light bulbs that did not work now, which is weird or or that he bought an island for eight million dollars. You're skating over maybe the more interesting part of this story, maybe by a seven million dollar island and then furnish your home on the up now look at me. I'm Chelsea, I've got a million ideas sometimes, it's not that easy Chelsea where are you going to find a seven million dollar? That's they all started eight million show is it in Florida where dude was arrested for stealing from K.? Mart Star number two I feel like the headline says it on. I'd like to thank listener sleepless with prattle for sending this in via tweet. Headline escaped sheep captured near. Dunkin donuts. Seen that headline once you've seen that a million times escaped sheep captured near. Dunkin donuts. According to the authorities who did track down King Solomon. Is the she. That's right. Chelsea that's the sheep. They had always taken him to Dunkin donuts when they took him out for walks. So when he escaped. He went straight for the Dunkin donuts and was easy to find. Yes. They had to call the authorities because of an escape sheep. How fast can a sheep move? COBAIN's. Pretty fast according to some of my friends. I feel like you could catch him before. They're quick I'd like to thank sleepless for also saying, maybe he was going to meet with his lawyer to discuss business over cold coffee or power. Well dehydrated game some power, right My question is was the sheep. Going to Dunkin donuts in Florida what he's got the third and final I think the headline and story number three also sums it up headline reads Baker uses female urine from public toilets to make goldilocks bread. that. Old Story. Yeah. One more time with that Baker uses female urine from public toilets to make goldilocks bread. Now, it's not what you think. Really it's not in the recipe. That's what I was thinking. Is it in the recipe it is being used as a fertilizer for the wheat in the bread. That she makes and that's why she refers to it as goldilocks bread. Why can't you just get one of your friends to come over and straighten the garden? She's a baker and self proclaimed Eko feminist. She says that you're in is a great fertilizer and that she collects it from public restrooms because it's free. and. Her goal is to break taboos over excrement and quote. She uses that and water to grow the wheat that then makes the bread hence goldilocks bread. Is it in Florida where she's like, you know what? It's a neglected liquid dismissed as waste we should treat it like a gold mine. Eight four, four, four, ww show David up I try and solve Quiz David. What do you think which one of these three true stories went down to Florida? Story number three layers but I'll go with story number one number one. And number one is you know what? I'm saying I see what you did there. Yeah. Dude. Who bought an eight million dollar island Thompson Island off off a key west last week was busted for returning items in empty boxes to a Walmart there in key west and start or not in Florida. But in Riverside California is where the sheep escaped and was found at Dunkin donuts. By the way, the sheep was reunited with its owner one week. After it disappeared and was discovered at the Dunkin donuts. So I don't know if that means the sheep goes fast or slow Chelsea I don't know that we've answered your question about how fast sheep can move I'm researching it now. I feel like I can catch this sheep. Sheep farmer I would like to set up a race between one of your sheep and Chelsea. And not even in this country, a ECO feminist in France is using urine from public toilets collected from around Paris to help grow her bread the goldilocks bread. Woody and Wilcox show. So we did around it happened in Florida there was a story that came up that we didn't use, but it probably could have been I thought it probably needed a little bit more time. It's along the same lines as stories that we've seen before but there's some extra added stuff in this one. Did you see the one about the school calling the cops on the six year old? No No The finger, the finger gun scenario no somebody literally has lost their mind and. School district Pennsylvania called the police after a six year old who also by the way had down syndrome. Did the finger gun to the teacher. Hang on I've got some audio. From the beginning that she didn't understand what she was saying. And the teacher and the principal agreed. But then they said that they needed to combine assessment team. Why are these people in education? Out there you what do you mean? How dare I? These are an administrator and teacher got together and they're like clearly this child. Didn't understand what was going on. And, neither do we so will form a threat assessment what committee or whatever it is. All right. Hang on. There's more maybe this will help you understand it. They said that they still need to call the police and as I get this phone call. I was fine with everything up until they said, and we have to call the police and I said you absolutely do not have to call the police. You know this this is ridiculous. Not. Only a waste of police officers resources. But. What's this happens to the Child? The follows the child forever right. It's goes down on your permanent record Funny. You should say this they didn't really understand what she was saying you know and and her having down syndrome is one aspect of it but I'm pretty sure that most six year olds don't really understand what that means. So now there is a record at our local police department that says, she made a threat to her teacher. When I would disagree that most six year olds don't know what that means when they point a fake gun at you and say I shoot you. But they don't understand fully all the ramifications that come along with it for sure depending upon the household that they grow up in that they may not understand it. You know maybe it's a video game it doesn't matter that doesn't matter. But when you have an administrator in teacher who call the cops on a six year old. I feel I need a permanent mark maybe it can be both both, and maybe that's where we are in life now that yes, the school the administrator of the teacher maybe they can say this is a serious threat, but also people are so concerned about covering their backsides these days in case anything happens down the road at all with the school and kind of violent threat with this student anything they have some kind of paper trail where it looks like they did something that's right I. Think Chelsea probably is one hundred percent correct because what are you always frame it as these are just dumb people and you know they're not they're not whether or not maybe not. Using it wrong I think Chelsea is nailed it but that's where we are because of the threat of being sued. Okay. If this kid ever actually did do something maybe five years down the line when they're not six anymore and you go, I guess they didn't make a threat when they were six we didn't say anything now you're sued that's where we are. Let let's let's go down that path then anything child does. We should probably that's out of the norm. We should call the cops on because eventually, it could come back to well, you remember when he threw the ball extra hard ten right That was a sign of aggression and eventually led to this and you didn't report it then. So anything that a child does need, we need to have the cops call correct because if we're going to go down that path, you gotta go all the way you can't go halfway but it didn't say it's right. It's just where we are. It's not just about the child to think about any kind of violent act happened at that school down the road with any other kid or. Some kind of scenario and it gets you know how things get twist. It gets back where you had one kid that did this without the details and that gets out to the public. Sure. I believe me I understand what you're saying in the cover yourself but we can't apply a giant blanket to every situation with one blanket. You have to take it case by case this kid with down syndrome you take differently than somebody else you take each case individually, the teacher and this administrator. To Go lugubrious was the right thing to do while sit back and think i. Ask playing devil's advocate. There are probably protocols right anytime. There's a quote unquote threat and if you didn't follow it, you didn't follow it and also devil's advocate. It's not like somebody with down syndrome couldn't shoot somebody. So it's not like it's not sort of the same thing. Right? You see what I'm saying like I'm not saying it's right. So. What you go through a lot of times things get pushed down from higher up. So you're not always doing what you WANNA. Do you're doing what you were told to do? That's right to wear pants when you're stocking the record, I am living proof that you don't have to do what you're told and look how successful I write. This type of stuff the zero this is in that zero tolerance. Take. Things case by case yes. You can sit down and think take time instead of reacting like these people did. I think we're going to solve it here. Great thing is clearly it's all done somebody right now agreeing with me and they're refocusing their going hang on a second I'm agreeing. Agree with both because all Chelsea is saying, that's where we are Chelsea's not saying here's what should happen I'm saying you're saying. You're saying you think about it differently and you're both right I'm saying we need to change it. Not. Just accept it come up with a plan run for office. No. Imagine that. went to. Soul. Everyone in this room right now dumber. Yeah. Maybe somebody had written you up earlier. We wouldn't have this show right now. I think you're looking at it wrong. I think you've nailed at Chelsea. It's the woody and Wilcox show. While the pressures right music means it's time for craigslist crisis. Right this is where we're going to find out what's weird out there on craigslist currently whether it's something that you can buy or something that somebody would like to do. To you. Or whatever. Just like regular prices, right? It's well, I'll tell ya at Chelsea and I and a couple of you on the phones are going to try to figure out. What The items that what he is describing are going to run you monetarily closest but not over that price is going to get the point just like regular prices right? Most points you win. Let's say a Lotta contest number one. Robert is up I Robert. Good morning man and taking you on is going to be Keegan what's happening. Keegan. All right as you know how this works. So what we'll do is we'll start by having woody describe item number one item number one is brought to us by polly. So polly, thank you for sending me an email. You find something you can do the same just like did woody at Iheartmedia? It's the world's most useless car. The listing goes like this. This is the world's most ugly useless stupid car tonight sore horrible piece of junk owned by my boyfriend and living in my barn where I would like my darling. Horse live. He is very cute. Car is not what it is. Flammable nineteen ninety-three Honda Civic del Sol S.. Five speed manual transmission one, hundred, six, thousand miles completely stock with the exception of the three inch exhaust my boyfriend put on there. What good is this three inch exhaust a possible place for cats to give birth that's it. I'm sorry. Was the first description of the car flammable? Yes. Okay. I just want to make sure I heard that right what this car is not useful it's not attractive it's not a time travel device I tried it doesn't work save this car and subsequently my boyfriend from death priced by him not by May. Interesting. So she's posting and yet he's complicit an has created the post. Yes. She's making fun of it in the Post. He was probably she probably like you look you've got to get this thing out of here. What's your price and then they haggled and then this is what it is Although I mean who hasn't wanted to watch a cat give birth. To three inch exhaust. So it's a ninety three sons del sole civic. T top roof right. Interesting, but he has a girlfriend. I'm going to say. He's he priced it. Thinks. It's worth more. Especially, as a cat hospital. He wants a thousand dollars. Thousand dollars is the bid from Wilcox Chelsea one fifty one, hundred, fifty dollars. Okay or do you mean one, hundred and fifty, thousand, one, hundred, and fifty one? Just. Want to clarify he did price at Robert. Go seven, fifty, seven, fifty, Gotcha Keegan. I'm like Oh fifteen, hundred, fifteen hundred actual craigslist price. He wants two, thousand, five, hundred. Waste waster time. Twenty five hundred dollars twenty five hundred dollars so Keegan picking up the point on that one. Nice. Job Keegan again, do I need to remind you cats? Can't Nice job man. So that's the point for you nothing for the rest of US item number two woody on the craigslist prices right what he has somebody requesting services and thanks to bobby who found this on craigslist and email it to me what I heart media I want somebody to kidnap me. High. It says I'm looking to be kidnapped and a little hostage play to fantasy of mine. You're GonNa, see me walking along and night wearing shorts and a fanny pack. You come up behind me hand gag me then blindfold me Tommy Up Ball Gag me so tight, you watch me squirm put me in your car take me to your house, tie me up on a chair somewhere in your house then do whatever you want. Please put kidnap in the subject line to weed out spam. Thanks picks and stats included a nice hell I feel like at this point spray amas released of your concerns. I am a man seeking a man for this job I my question I'm five, ten to sixty, five and twenty five years old. You're supposed to be reading the CRAIGSLIST ADS and not from your diary. To sixty five and can we get less now? I'm five eleven. Not Twenty Five. So Chelsea. You're going to get to bid first on this one. What do you think he? So He's GonNa pay me. So to speak, you're darn tooting is to kidnap him. Do whatever I want to him. Yes. I'm a man. He's a man. Yes. To make sure I understand it all anti as a fanny pack. Let's skip over that. You can identify him how many people are wearing fanny packs a lot I see I didn't think of that as an identified. So. You don't just go up and kidnap a random person. Okay. That's a good point. I hadn't thought of all the other five ten to sixty, five, twenty, five year olds walking around. It's a good for your future fat Guy Kidnapping. Okay. So this is a whole start to finish sex fantasy. To fifty to five zero from Chelsea Robert. I didn't hear anything about sex fantasy and I. Didn't do whatever you want to me What do you think that? I mean you could beat him down to I. Mean He didn't say you'd have to like it either by the way I mean if you're just a mercenary you can you know you just you get paid to attack guys a fanny pack who wouldn't want to do that? Were kidnapped to avoid van, which is pretty weird but right I'M GONNA say. Two hundred two, hundred, Gotcha can. I'M GONNA go. Three hundred three hundred Gotcha I'm going to say one dollar dollar actual craigslist price two, hundred boxes, what he's willing for this fantasy. You nailed it. Had To do was ask right over and do it for free. What color is your fanny pack? That's Right, that's one for Robert and one for Keegan. So it's GONNA come down to this third item for the victory. What do we have what he thanks to Brandon? who found a slightly burned couch? Slightly is in quotes. This picture that is on the listing. This thing is completely charred the listing goes like this the boys and I are parting ways with Leonard, our most precious couch. They've named it. He has served as well especially, Andrew you've dog you. But after an eventful Saturday we've decided he just doesn't fit with our decor. Any longer price to sell at blank do do some fire damage and this thing is charred beyond recognition toast. Yes. If you're naming your couch eight, four, four, four, hundred. I mean I've heard of naming cars and I, think that's kind of on the edge or but a couch then you're sitting on it that's just wrong sitting on Leonard. Right. Robert, you're going to have to or get to go first on this particular case, a slightly burned couch named Leonard. Man I feel like I, feel like this is a free item. GonNa go free on now. I'm really KINDA CORNER MYSELF ON FREE ITEM on there. Okay I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go a dollar one dollar gotcha Keegan. Only go fifty fifty dollars actual craigslist prices, fifty dollars. Terrible bidding and he's still. FELLAS LA. Dollars. You're thinking to Chris Cox. Chelsea packs. Up the. Well Robert You bidwell. Keegan you did not however. Winning, and that's all that matters the ends, justify the means or something like that. So thanks for the efforts Robert Keegan, congrats on the victory. Good data get on craigslist to are you kidding me? You get to kidnap some dude wearing a fanny pack and go sit on letter. And maybe watch cats give birth in your exhaust pipe. That may or or may not be a euphemism. Better, we'll sound like cats are giving birth. By. Right who's with me on that. You're, Whitney? Jackie if you find something when you're out there on craigslist. All Right Chelsea. That's enough. All right. Send it into woody and perhaps will use it next time when we play around craigslist prices, right? The woody and Wilcox show. So I can't believe this hasn't happened before. And when I say this, you'll see what I'm talking about in just a second. Let me play a clip for you. From the TV show family feud. Go. We've got top seven answers on the board. We asked one hundred merit women. If. You could change one part of your husband's body. What would it be? It's Just like. Weird place. You're thinking I was thinking what? I know. I was thinking i. Love your husband, but affect. Get. Happy town. He's having a rough day. Steph. Now. We have accused many game show of contriving answers making stuff to sort of send out a video that goes viral right I don't believe this. Is it I believe this one is one hundred percent accurate and I think I think a folks are missing something that could have easily diffused this situation she could have he the husband could have. There's an automatic assumption that she wants it change to be bigger. Right they may need to be small right how does he not immediately step up and go I don't know Steve just too big apparently I didn't know that was the thing, but she's been nagging me. It's just so huge come on, do something about it and yet he didn't step up she didn't step up by the way the videos everything you're skeptical or you just WanNa. See the look on his face. I was big and the videos on the. FACEBOOK page it is we also tweeted it out. So if you're not following along on twitter, you should do that woody and Wilcox Way to do that. So you're saying he should have gone for the waiting for Guffman. And if you're not familiar with that, this is the same sort of tact he could've used. To, be with the circumstance me. Because when Ron had his surgery alright alright. Hey circumcised it while you're at it just because I'd never been anyone else. Also. Surgery. Corrective surgery we have some coffee at this table. please. I had what you know most guys would. Dream of you know I I had to have. A Penis Reduction Surgery I'm sorry. Penis reduction which aren't many you're going to say I never heard of that. Do something. Why get one of those vagina enlargements aired By the way, if you haven't seen the movie waiting for Guffman, I'm begging you to put that on your list of the top five. God and that's Fred Willard of course who now knowing what we know about friend makes it a little extra fun. He. Was Busted in an adult movie theater. On in real life not that long right. What a great guy though one of the funniest around. So that's all he had to do. Yeah. Needed to get the old genus reduction surgery. That's what it was. Steve. Harvey. You know you were thinking it. Check it out. See for yourself. What even wilcock show what do you share a a piece a story something a post I guess is the right way to phrase from his local nextdoor APP and it was a woman who was upset that a dude out walking his dog had thrown the dogs waste into her trash can woody in Chelsea thought that was ridiculous I was saying I wouldn't do it. Now, there's a difference and I want to deal with that difference. Based on a couple of these fez line calls have come in. Wilcox number one that garbage can does not belong to you and number two when you put it on the curve. It's public use. Your. What's wrong with this country? You're one hundred percent rights are so of course of no import whatsoever that it's the city's trash can or whatever it's still sits right next to your house. So that's a dumb argument second of all. I would not complain as did this woman for me it's just I wouldn't want it in mind so I won't do it in yours second of all I'm not out there saying how dare everybody do this and I'm not firing up tersely worded letter to the editor and I'm not petitioning the President I'm simply saying it would have been something that I wouldn't do. That's it. I'm not saying that you be arrested for doing it. There's a big difference. Holy Crap. Wilcox I cannot believe. That you're arguing the point that your dog poop is okay to go into the garbage can. Because, apparently your dog poops roses that and again, not the point you could be walking down your neighborhood street and throw it in somebody's trash doesn't have a dog. So it's not about does my dogs poop smell better than your dogs poop that's not the point. The point is you're throwing it in somebody's trash can who you don't even know maybe who you don't even know that they have a dog. So that's dumb. Thank you. We'll move on what somebody else. Their dogs poop goes into a trash can. And it gets picked up an hour two or three or five. Later that's gonNA destroy garbage can. Plus. Stopped, hanging out right next to your garbage cans. have to smell. It. You Idiot you've completely missed the whole thing. Complained was going to make my trash can SMO-? Where do you keep your trash can? Next to the house right if you can smell that trash can through your house, something else is going wrong and every time you walk by it to get out of your house. It move it somewhere else walk somewhere else serve. Okay. So I'll just go out one of my exits. There are so many steps until you get to the point where trash cans smells so bad free country you can put your trash cans anywhere. You'd like thank you I appreciate that. Maybe. Not Put it right next to one of your exits. Eight four four four WWL. Let's talk to Bill Online one bill you're on with Woody Wilcox. What's up? I there's a scenario haven't discussed yet. What if the transplant is already tom? And your trash cans there from yesterday. The empty trash can and now you're putting your dogs wasting my trash. Can I don't even have a dog and it's sit there for another week until the transplant comes again, different scenario. When you open it up and you see that it's empty than you don't leave it there that's on you the dog. See. That's different than what would he's saying what he's just saying it's the damn trash throw it in your. So you're sort of mental grounding it right there, Chelsea. Manning that it shouldn't be in someone else's trash, but it's only okay if it's going out within the next twelve hours because then I feel like now, my dog poop is on you. So to speak I wanted to just be in the regular trash if I'm throw it in there on top before it's getting picked up then great it's with the regular trash. But if I'm just putting in your empty can and then you have to roll it back up. That's rude. Now we're in the realm of rudeness. So that's healthy You have enough nerve to go into my trash can and throw your your their who's GonNa. Check in the trash can and say, Oh, wait this empty Oh, I'm not going to put it in that one I mean literally everyone but stevie wonder can tell if a trash candice full in about two. because. I mean, you know once you lift the lid is this a full trash or not and if you're having touchable golf you from going in there, is that going to stop you from putting the wasted? No, because it's empty? Yes. Oh, if you'RE GONNA Trash to somebody trash, can you're not gonNA Care Empty Airfoil? So I believe Chelsea, and obviously that's a little bit different level than what what he's saying. He's saying who cares you can make these decisions very quickly like in a matter of seconds so. Four four WW show Chad hang on the line I wanNA talk to you because Chad and his wife had an argument about this. Oh good and I'd like to hear exactly who came out on I would to stand by Chad. Well, we have. It's The bare so to speak. It all stems from the next door posting or woman was upset that a dude placed his baggy of dog waste in her trash can She yelled at him. told him not to do it. He said Okay and then walk by like nothing ever happened and. That sort of the way, Wilcox. Thank. You should not place that bag of dog waste in somebody else's trash again I'm not team that lady because I wouldn't yell at the Guy and scream I should make him take it out. I wouldn't get on next door and write a tersely-worded post. All I said was when I'm walking my dog. I wouldn't put the poop in someone else's can. That's it. That's the end of it then so you know do unto others. You're pretty much that woman the old golden rule is what I'm talking about. So I'm not mad about it. This isn't something that plagues me every day. But you asked a question and I'm telling you the sentiment in general I, agree with that's it. Chan- has got something for us at eight, four, four, four, www Chad, your own with what he wilcox what's up man? Hey. So here's the deal my wife and I. We've had this argument a couple of times actually I. always come out on top because I refused to let her put. Dog, waste and somebody else's in I. Don't care how far we are from our house. We were GONNA Walk to our freshman and put it in our trash can so I you know we double bag because we have a large dog and I've had this happen anywhere I've thrown the bag in our trash can and it split open and then I. Was hosing down the trash man because there were all over the trash man. So I'm not GonNa put that on somebody else. That's a great point, and that is a great point that that hasn't been brought surely wouldn't while your trash to get dirty that's for sure long. Now you're talking about throwing feces and someone's trash all over somebody else's trash can. Of. That happening are so low and once that trash gets gets dumped into the giant trash can't it could be anything smear but think of it this way think of it this way since you're trying to figure out a scenario, what if when the he dumps whoever it is dumps the rest of their trash in it splits bag open and now it's he didn't go. It didn't open when you threw it in. But now it's opened because he's putting his normal trash and it split open that bag now I can get some that up into words who cares it's trash. Okay. That's four words you're just. You're Thinki- ass bitch. Fats trash and. Is the same to you. Then something's wrong with you and I don't ever want to be near you. I think there's a scourge across America of your neighbors throwing in their. Ways, and then it smearing the odds of that happening are sold. You're making it sound like we're going to great lengths. All he's saying is and it's the same thing I'm saying I would just carry it back. That's it. It's not the end of the world I'm not what's wrong with America I just wouldn't want it in mind. So I don't put it in someone else's period. That's it. Let's see. Oh, and I wanted to play. This says call because I thought. You know what? This is a this is an indication that maybe something's going right. I think it's safe to say the woody and Wilcox show has been a little different over the past few months with all the covid nineteen pandemic talk and necessarily my that it's good to talk about that and I feel like we've learned a lot. but talking about dog for an hour and a half is the best side of woody and Wilcox show is getting back to normal at asking in a while. So I don't, we didn't talk about dog excrement for an hour and a half. An Hour. The, and will show I hate to be the bear of bad news but I sense a trend starting to happen on line and it is the demise of an American institution. Frankly, one of those things that when people talk about these slippery slope of US losing our rights, this is another example that I will point to the that in fact is happening and I'm talking about. A company a media company that owns several websites around this great land of ours. Eliminating the comments section from their websites now they may not be the first, but they're certainly one of the biggest to do it. They own like Al, Dot Com and Alabama New Jersey Nj dot com and a bunch of other sites out there that are basically you know newspaper websites that in the past when the Internet was started offered a way for people to leave their own feedback in the comments section right and what that. Become a place for spammers to throw a link up there. Hey, click on this link and buy my product, and so they changed the comments section to be moderated and that didn't really help either and now they are eliminating them all together. Specifically saying overtime the comments section. became a place of racism misogyny. And, just a disregard for the norms of society and a place to perpetuate the worst stereotypes of our state, our neighborhoods and our people. Now. I don't know what comments section you're going to. I got to go to are some of the most fun places to go on. So friendly and neighborly. You're talking about a place of understanding a mutual respect. Sharing of ideas the best of America's what happens in the comments section and I forgive me if I'm wrong. Don't we have some sort of First Amendment rights to the freedom of speech I don't know about all that I mean you can still get in touch to. This newspaper know your thoughts. It's just you can't leave. The article write a letter to the editor. Chelsea what is this Wilcox's Day and age? I love this because it's a it's a part time or a fulltime job for some people just get people riled up on the Internet. We've seen it and it's I. It's they're so much ugliness there, and it's solves nothing and it just creates more problems. In the comments section we've seen the neighborhood sites, my God those alone for the ugliness about things that don't matter the next door. gloved the next door you love. So you find out what smells weird. anybody know why? That helicopters there well, at least that one seems normal the two that I feel like I see all the time art as anybody else smell that and what was that sound I. Those are the two that I love on next door because then you just watch the commentary and it's a bunch of people kind of like woody who feel like they know every answer and are very. Adamant about what it was, and then there's other people who disagree it's fun and that's what that's not online comments. You're talking about when somebody writes a story that would be in the newspaper and then they put it online as well, and then people can comment on it. That's a different thing, right? That's what you're talking and they're deciding that no one should be allowed to comment anymore because it's too ugly. Yet and they're eliminating it from all their websites and all past stories they're eliminating all of those comments actions as well because it's just you know people bickering back and forth. Lead anywhere. My point is. It is similar to the NEXTDOOR APP or social media. Look it's a place where people can say whatever they want and hide anonymously by a handle. This is what makes America Great? To say stuff. So when you take that away, you're taking away one of our liberty. You can still do that just in a different format if they take away inane chatter that's vaguely and usually wrong. Then, we won't have a job that's correct, and if somebody's really that worked up, trust me from first hand experience, they'll find you though send you an email with all the ugliness or a direct message or a letter. So I feel like if we just we make people take a second to react maybe we take out some of that emotion when you make it more difficult for somebody to lash out, gives them a chance to calm down. You can't take those things away though I. Agree it's one of those. You can't. You just ignore it. Then if you don't WanNa read those comments, don't read the comments. Or why what affects you so much when somebody makes a comment and then you're like. I've got an that inflames you and you're you're gonNA. You'll boy got the world's best retort and you throw it up there and more people pile on you. It's it's shocking to me how much power we give to other people by visiting comments section and allowing it to affect us that much. Right. It's not about if you remove it, it's still going to go away youtube still going to have comments section, and there are times that you can control that you can allow comments or not allow comments. But for the most part, just let it go. The benefit is not outweighing the damage that's being done. have. You ever had your mind chains from something comment section. No but I've gotten an I. Am not proud of it but we can read things that we don't want to read, and then we're having thought that we don't want to have and it's affecting our day and yes is it over something silly but we're human we have emotions and if we can just. Eliminate all that because it's you know the useless part that I think we're all better off. We're not fighting with each other. But then why would why don't we eliminate social media will you can eliminate the NS for the most part? Right well, you know the the expression this is why we can't have nice things. There are some people who are ruining it for everybody. The people who are ruining it for everybody are the ones taking down comments actions? Honestly. You're ruining the fun. Now half the fun is going and reading the comments as when it doesn't affect you, your life will take off. We'll. It'll be like lifting the weight off your shoulders when you realize that this person may be joking and you took the tone wrong maybe they don't even mean it maybe they're just out to get your goat and if you allow them to do it, they win. Well, that's great. But that's work that has to be done with the therapist. In the meantime I'd like it to be a little bit harder for somebody to call another person to see you next Tuesday online for no reason that's all. They open up the the psychiatry. Department. At Walmart you'll be able to pay a dollar a minute. Have somebody talk through with this. It's one of those things where I think to myself. This is one of the glories of the Internet, the comment section, and if this goes away from one of the major news sites that control. Of The dotcoms out there. But we're we're on a slippery slope have to write a letter to the editor. I'm not doing a read those on Sunday morning and cramp. That'll be fun. The woody. Cock shoe. Well, what are you talking about how there's a major news organization that does a lot of the newspapers websites and so forth around the country and they've decided that they're going to disable the commenting on news stories. Yeah. In no longer a comments section at even on the past ones, they're gonNA wipe those cleaners well, due to the civilized discussion that normally happened on the comment section you were lamenting it and saying that. They shouldn't be able to take that away. Chile is it a Rosen of our free speech rights? Yes. which not accurate really. But seven four says thirty, two hundred. Yeah SORTA. The. Chime in on the first thing I agree and disagree with what he? you should have the right. To free speech and we do have the right of free speech. But if someone pays for a website, you don't necessarily have a right to call them on their property, which is basically what it is and they're not stopping you from talking. They're just stopping you from putting your stuff down on their website that they pay for I. Think they're in the right for doing that. Well the definitely the illegally if you're saying of allowed to, and of course, even though what he likes to say, dumb things you understand that this is not what we're talking about when we talk about the first. Amendment, that's not what this is. This is he's right. This is something that they they own a website putting up something and they completely have the right to change. However you interact with that, it's their property. It's their business I agree taking away your First Amendment rights when you sort of Bayton switch where you dangled that comment section for a while and then you snatch it away it's an erosion of our rights and. Nothing, you don't like it and that's fine but it's nothing to do with your right sounds like North Korea to me Oh you guys are free to say whatever you want as long as you're in your own house come on now slow it down, slow it down. We get it. You like to say dumb things he likes to be contrary. You're not even you don't mean data. So dial it back. I got him down woody quick note about the First Amendment, right to freedom of speech. The freedom of speech protects us from the government censoring us as the people or prosecuting. Or. Punishing us out of the people I saying things against the government and the people in charge. It does not protect us from saying really dumb stuff or promoting your multi level marketing scheme on Janet facebook comments. Yes though an ad out there. Late But it actually does I mean when you think about it I understand that you're not going to get arrested for that and I understand that part of it but you are free to post that stuff online to the first amendment. Yeah you take away that ability. It's like censoring somebody it's like saying you can only say that over there you can't actually say it to the people that matter no no. That I'm talking about. This is like turning off one microphone. It's my microphone. You can go talk on this other Mike. It's essentially saying you could be sitting in your living room and talking with your body about something and somebody could open your door walk into your house and start yelling at you about it because that's the same thing when you own the website, you can do whatever you want. I mean we can't get mad at them for disallowing them to comment on their on their own website. That's not has nothing to do with your free speech. But my I guess my point is the comments sections a little bit more of a gray area. It's the comments section was on the sidewalk in front of your house. It's the Internet who owns the Internet we all do, and I'm not saying somebody could come and open your door in yell at you but they're certainly free to stand on the sidewalk and yell from there and that's where the comments section was. I'm not saying it was ripped. Our first. Amendment right was ripped out of our hands. I'm just saying it was an erosion of our rights and so when you're not allowed to do that anymore and you can go to another website and talk about the first website that doesn't it's not the same thing because there's nobody there to read it is that the issue because your thoughts can be presented to somebody she'll I guess now need the public form they need to be seen or validated in some kind of way but that's not a right. That's just something that was there on the article maybe it should be it's a modern time maybe. A well with it. As it is I think this woman may have a better idea. It may just be from lack of sleep, but this is about the third day in a row that anything coming out of what he's mouth just pisses me off too early in the morning. Married. which we all are. I have multiple wives. We spend more time with you than your wife does. Four Fez thirty two hundred is the way you can get your comments in. Yes I wanted to weigh in on the whole comment sections of sites and. I think it's a little unfair remove it, but it may be needed because. Well, I'll give you a story. My mother owned a handcrafted goat cheese arrangement shop. You could arrangements not shake them in a goat cheese and it was very delicious and very versatile. I let me give. My mother is very, well endowed. Oh, I'm going to say he got me right. Congress it's really sounded like he was going somewhere with that for her like twenty five seconds. You've just he's one of the most insanely idiotic things. I've ever heard cheese arrangements lawsuit. Second goat cheese of rainforest. Think, you couldn't possibly be any dumber. It's the old. Mother is well Endowed Thang Yep. Seven zero four says thirty two, hundred. Yes. I'd like to share a story about embarrassing parents When I was in junior high went to a very strict Christian school and my mom decided to come. Bring me something I don't remember but. So my mom is Very. Well endowed and. That's the original by the way. That's not the copycat. That's the whole reason why every guy calls the Fez line and ends their call with my mom is very well in dowse. All right so We still have never heard back from her seven, four, Fez thirty, two hundred. Wilcox show. Well, it's interesting because you're talking about people commenting on a news story and how a bunch of websites are now in making the decision and they're all under one company's umbrella to not allow comments on their news stories anymore because it's gotten too ugly and all that sort of thing. Yeah this is I'm sure they're not the first, but I think one of the biggest that have taken this bold step of not not just disabling but completely eliminating even from past articles, the comment section is interesting. Sure. You know it's a commentary on how we tolerate people. With their thoughts on news stories whether they are intentionally trying to fire you up or really believe what they're saying or whatever. It is an interesting look at that. It's not though as you were saying attack on our First Amendment rights and believe it or not. We have a third year law student of listening to the show who has probably for the first time ever decided to make a call. I'd like to Chime in on what he's saying. I'm a third year law student and it just feels like it'd be a good reminder that the first amendment protected from government not from other people. So as long as government isn't saying that you can comment on the website I think we're fine. Have a good one guys. ooh. Okay. Agreed. Maybe. Like. I said, an erosion of our rights are I. Maybe I just am not using the exact. Phraseology that you would like to hear but you have to admit this is something that is common in our lives and has been since the Internet started that is going away. It was a benefit maybe to some people and now it's being taken away benefit or an opportunity or a forum different from a right call, your Internet bill of Rights I. I don't think that's right either though. I think we could just go ahead and ban forty from commenting on anything ever again in the future and then we wouldn't have to hear about crap like this. You better than this man come on. Sir I'm really not on. No I'm not I don't know if that's accurate or not Then I'm not sure there were so many that were coming in. So quickly, the Fez. Line class. Where do you I'm usually on your side buddy and I applaud you for standing next to your convictions and just don't let anybody change your mind but all I can say about this one is keep being. Do she brother Whoa Not being dushi woody stopped talking. Talking. What he stopped talking. Baidu she brought up. To different talks too much right after Yep while your head what. We all love. You got. It'll just stop. Stop Talking Okay Seven, Oh four, Fez thirty, two hundred, but they weren't all like. I guess I'm just GonNa go home 'cause What age sidewalks I the Analogy actually just makes sense. Why going on. That's a great analogy. A. Public Space That's owned by everyone the sidewalk. Yes. Well everybody didn't agree. Completely completely wrong. The Internet is not the same as the sidewalk. And besides you always have the right to create your own website and have your own comments section about different news articles that you link to. A lot of. That's a good point though I just mentioned that off the air. If you really fired up about something, there's nothing to stop you from sharing that article and writing all of your comments I think people upset because then they don't have the audience maybe that they would have in that interaction with people. You have the right to speak to the right people when you have an argument, right? In the First Amendment. One of the five parts of the First Amendment is the right to petition your government. You have the right to speak to your representatives and the. That has nothing to do with this. It does when you say, Oh, you can go make your own website and you can go holler in your. Kasim of despair. Well, you're not talking to the right people not a right that's too bad. That's you'll have to build up the audience on your own website so that you can yell at a bigger group of people that would be like having a problem with Delta. Airlines and being told, well, just start up a website and yell at that when you've got a problem with Delta, you go to the source, go to go to Delta go old school snyder or whatever. That's the common sexual but you're allowed to write that letter to wherever they just don't have to publicly put it up on a forum. People are just mad there's no one there to hear them. That's what Chelsea's been saying. By the way. Hey. This is about what is comments of course, but the erosion of our freedom of speech by the removing of the comments connection for news stories. You know it's kind of like the radio show your radio shows no Rosen of our famous speech is you don't air every single message from. Those so That's that's a legitimate analogy unlike yours zoo because. Almost. Every comments section is moderated. They don't put up every comments action including this particular. News organization moderated. Yeah. That's moderated. So it's not if Work oxes the moderator of the Fez line. You don't want. To call on the air you don't want me as the moderator correct all of that is accurate. I feel like she probably sums it up right here on the Fez line. When I call when I My son, it's exactly. Seventy four, Fez thirty, two hundred is the way that you can get through. Woody and Wilcox show Chelsea had something happened the other day and Chelsea I'll have you I guess recap it and I don't know if this is because of the Times that we're in is I don't know if this is covert. Related or if this would have happened at any time of the year a book go ahead and explain it's a sign of how strange my life is right now over the weekend, we had the front door open in the back door open to make like a cross breeze. It was a nice day and had been open for while I was doing some things cooking whatever, and then I was on the couch with frank and Dylan. And just watching TV and. Franco's his that a caveat. Now. When was he looking F- was there. Was, a question. Is. That a cash? Is. The question because we don't have a cat. Okay. All right. We got you hear the little. Like the bell of collar and here comes the black cat down the stairs and just saunters out the front door. And Mike Okay I completely lost it now is upstairs and didn't just walk in one door downstairs out the front and you're like cats do what they want well. Now when you don't have one in your home. I. was eating ice cream. It's not earlier in the day had been talking to the neighbor from the porch down to the road you know distance and her dog came into the House and was like, okay. Now you're do you know so animals come into our home apparently but this is our later. I'm guessing the cat at some point came in the front door. No one noticed or came in an. Window. and has just been living life in our house until it was just like I'm to go home. Now first of all, that would scare me to death not that I'm terrified of cats but if I'm sitting on the couch and. An animal. Just comes into the room unless it's one of the animals that I'm familiar with wouldn't initially be not only shock but I think I might you know might jump up a little bit I might add startling and everything is surreal now. So it was kind of like a deputy f moment like what is happening so but the cat wasn't coming at you it wasn't really angry. It was just like see you later just. Game down the steps and right out the door. It to do anything like upstairs mark or like drop anchored was my concern that maybe it brought some kind of dead thing. To shoe into a shoe or a very specific they hide things. In my life experience with cats or maybe just left a mark somewhere. I didn't smell anything and I still haven't. figured. That would be the first sign before actually discovered something. Cool beans. All of that. And I got to imagine that my first thing would be frank. Did something that he wanted to cover up and so he brought a cat into the house and now he can blame the cat. How does that make any sense? I don't know. No. Not Sound, like Franklin I. Don't want to be like. If you sort of embarrassing accident and then he was like I don't want anybody to know about this. Chelsea. We'll talk about on the radio. So I better bring a strange cat into the house so that I can blame it on him. Probably, not the answer, but I'm just throwing out potentials if anything, it would just be a practical joke that he would play on me like let's see what Chelsea's face does when this random Taj's comes down the stairs either of you even get off the couch no and the and that was it just walked out the door. The door behind. This is a bad plan I was like, why don't want him bring friends? You know next thing I know I got random cat spiting in my living room fighting would be severe word their cat events happening in my neighborhood often now what does that mean? Coupons I. Think we want that too. I like that. It's there a lot of outside cats in the neighborhood that are also pets, and so there couple of them that own the block. They'll yell at each other they'll act like they're gonNA fight sometimes. Other ones are just on my front porch just like, Hey, smoking a cigarette or something. Nice to see you home. They just kind of own the block strange animal has walked into your home and you didn't realize it until he was walking out. Eight four, four, four, ww show certainly of voicemail is there. It doesn't have to be that exact scenario but I'm interested in an animal that you discovered in your home that you didn't know and you know is it a domesticated animal? Okay. Is it not? That's okay too. I mean I'm fascinated by all of that is this just Chelsea, these are all questions I have. What he will show so I will share three stories with you real quick here, and all of them are true one of them though happen in the state of Florida, which you may know is Kinda the birthplace goofiness here in this great land of ours. So if you can spot the Florida story I, that's how you win at eight four, four, four, ww show what he has story number one road rage is a serious issue and people just need to calm down a little bit what happened in story number one is a forty nine year old man got into a fight with A. Seven year old man over something that happened one man was trying to parallel park and sort of stopped traffic and that Gary -tated the first guy they got out, they started exchanging words and then the first guy reached for the only weapon, he had an eleven inch sausage in the front of his car, you watch your mouth. You know what I'm talking about. He hurled the eleven sausage at his opponents, Kerr according to police reports. So hard that it left a quote metal divot in the Medal of the car. Was it in Florida where a man faces fines for assaulting a car with a jumbo sausage. Sometimes you choose a story based strictly on the headline, and this one I feel probably falls into that category. I'll quote the headline for you sex pigs halt traffic after laser attack on pokemon teens. Bring up the same old same old. Like a mad libs. GonNa ask that to Chelsea. Words together, Willy Nilly like they actually make sense. Now, this is a thing apparently Chelsea as two people who were wearing pig masks and carrying lasers were a threatening teens who were playing pokemon in the street, and then the two people wearing the pig masks proceeded to have relations right on the side of the road. You know like you do. I mean we've all been there a timer to write busy Saturday walking around with your pig masks on having sex shooting lasers at kids plan POK Mon.. It's called Saturday for most of us, and that's what happened in story number two. The question is, were they in Florida eight, four, four, four, ww show what he has the third and final story. A story has to do with being a teenager and your mom allowing you to have a party at the house what inevitably happens. Loud music shakes you buddy. The woman on your computer upstairs, and then you hide your brother disguised as a load of Dung named Chet, and then your grandparents are catatonic in a closet. You've given the plotline of the movie weird science mad lives again. is just random things off your and Gary. Walt. Why sorry? No the woman in story number three allowed her teenage son to have that party. But they got out of control men started drinking men. Was Boys. Late teams. I didn't check them for Hair Chelsea. And ask if they have had relations before. Through a Bar Mitzvah. Okay. I'm sorry. I didn't ask not into story Chelsea's question was valid in this case because you said. House when the mom was gone, but men were drinking Well, wait a second when the mom came home she did what anybody would do. She used a metal pipe to smash windshield of the boys. Car that was drinking downstairs with her son now the car was drinking. I think we all. China thought there was no car drinking there's no men. streaking she's a judge and that's frowned upon to take a metal pipe. Truck that was not drinking. Let's just. Play. I don't know what's going on your. Secondhand now it's the end of the road. So she's a judge. beat up one of the kids cars 'cause they were drinking. Thank there's no man vehicles aren't consuming alcohol. I understand the story. I don't even understand the story anymore people if you done it, right? That's. Kendall I'm sorry you had to be here. Two of the stories went really well. Last One That screwed up, but they're all true which one went down in Florida. Yeah, I'm sorry I had to be here. STORY NUMBER ONE NO. Sorry. Not even in this country Germany is where the man through the thirty centimeter long sausage. That's a little over eleven inches at the other guy's car and threw it so hard that had dented the car Bad. Is a heavy sauces. Bob You got a fifty fifty shot. OFF STORE NUMBER THREE STORY NUMBER THREE About cars ahead. Types. Drinking and hairs giant somebody's a judge who has been arrested for shattering the windshield of her sons teenaged friends truck. Oh that made sense. Let's job. That was not drinking. Okay. Son had a party some of his friends she came home. We all got that. Story number two. By the way I'm sure you're asking yourself right now where can I find sex pigs having sex on the side of the road? Do. You have to leave the country. And last you're listening to right now in Sweden and then stay right where you are because apparently the two were wearing a rubber pig masks as they're described in the story tot started screaming waving laser at the children who were not harmed ran back home to their parents when the police showed up they the pig mask wearers were discovered having relations on the side of the road. Nike. NOTHING TO DO WITH IDEA With an Allen wrench nothing to do with an Allen ranch either. The woody and Wilcox show I think I have found a common problem that has led to the decline of the ability to drive. In these United States have you been driving for a while? You'll agree, right the quality of driving out there on the roads and highways has been in a slow steady decline. Is it I don't know that it is? Is there empirical evidence stating that or is it just get off my lawn moment for one hundred percent? Ah, get off lawn moment. Okay nine. Generation has said Oh the driver's today. It's not a generational thing. I don't think I just think that there are more crappy drivers out there. You may be right. I'm just saying I don't know I feel like the rules are less stringent than they were back in the day. That's. Like the rules changed and I think Chelsea is really hit on it because she's been cheating again now as I saw that the state of Nevada has followed what a lot of other states have done and change their driving test to get rid of parallel parking. I know they're not the only ones but there the latest ones to say, you know what? Parallel parking is keeping. People. From getting their driver's license is that what they're saying that was one of the reasons. We don't want that many of the second. The idea is not to make the test easy so that everybody can pass it. Is it no quotas high school? They're still test for parking in other ways. But since most drivers pass all other portions of the exam except that one, we are getting rid of the parallel parking portion of the test. and. Technology has made parallel parking obsolete in some cars. Some I think there's a couple of cars out there. That offer an option parallel parking assist what he's very mad at you. I remember after the Super Bowl commercial that was smarts pockets when you just. That if you can't pull your car in straight, you shouldn't be driving either car should also parallel park whatever. So I guess that's the leap you're making. You're saying if you can't parallel park, then you can't drive obviously other people at the DMV don't agree with you I mean the times when you're encountering bad driving out on the road rarely, I assume has to do with parallel parking. Aitken mess up some things on the eighth attempt to back into that spy. Exactly. When you see somebody who's creating a traffic jam because they don't know how to parallel park I'll. I'll concede the point you're right. It's not always to do with parallel parking but I believe that being able to parallel park is a bar to entry into better driving if your brain can understand. What is a complex procedure that you have to back a car in I turning the wheel and then doing everything you need to do to parallel park you are a more aware driver in every other scenario and when you get rid of it on the driving test, you lower the quality of driver in America can I get hell? Yeah. I hate agreeing with what it pains me But how? It's just one of those things that when you take a look at states. I learned to drive in California and they got rid it a long time ago. Now. You just have to back up like thirty feet. Not, even in a straight line, that's their parking tests can you back up? That's basically asking somebody can you put the car in reverse? That's what's led to a slow decline and it's not generational is just not the young kids coming up but it's older adults are like, wow. I. Don't have to learn how to parallel park anymore. Let me just get rid of that in my brain. And it has caused a huge problem reinstate parallel parking and you will increase the quality of driving across this great land. So we're to assume that you know more than multiple states across the country. I've heard the show and I've heard woody game Wednesday even this morning. No I. Find it hard to believe I. Think you're Miss Misunderstanding what I'm saying do I know more than them not saying that what I see is hey, these people aren't passing their test. We're not getting money for driver's licenses. Let's make the test easier so we can get the money if you that's what it is. Damn right that's what it. I don't think. So how is that safety for anybody like how how are you serving the people when you're like this people can't do it let's just take it off the tests. It's still a skill you need look when I went to get my driver's license here there was a guy in front of me who couldn't pass the scientist and the proctor was like it's you know the chew chew comes by all railroad tracks. Yes. He was giving him answers to the test why not to make a safer? Environment for all of us, it was just to get the money. Maybe it was just a move along you wanted to have lunch in this guy taken forever I I feel like you're making it seem like there's almost a concerted effort like a conspiracy where we're trying to funnel people through these processes. So quick just to get their forty dollars or whatever it costs to get a license it's what Wells Fargo did when they were opening up all those accounts right I don't know that the two are related at all. It's about the money. This is just scratching the surface of. Incomplete driving tests that are way too easy and not teaching actual skills that are keeping people hopefully alive on the when you've got the state of Nevada dmv saying that drivers are passing this portion of the test. So we'll get rid of it. That's pretty much it admission we just want your money. You know we lead the nation in having two things on the woody and Wilcox show mailman listening to the show. And who teach driving listening to the show really yep captive in their cars. So, I would appreciate someone who is more. In the know on these sorts of things is it happening here is the parallel parking portion of either driver's Ed or the test itself really a big hangup for most people and you know, do you agree with woody? Et CETERA. Eight four four four ww show or you can remain anonymous on the voice mail. So fast line at seven four Fez thirty, two, hundred. The woody and Wilcox show I went off on a little bit of a rant about how getting rid of the parallel parking. Nevada. The latest state to do it on their driving test is causing an overall lowering of the quality of driving in America and America agrees with me. At eight four, four wwe or at least Katie you agree with me did you ever think that that was going to happen? I think that was going to happen but yes, I agree with you. Say. You're going to get through it though. What's going on? What else is on your mind? So we just bought a twenty twenty outback and it has all the bells and whistles too many smart features. In my opinion we also have a two thousand, seventeen Honda accord with too many smart features as well, and now we're afraid to teach our daughter how to drive on those cars because we don't want her reliant on those features, we need to get a dumb car. Then, she can actually learn how to drive. It's funny that you say that because just last night I had to park my mom's car and. She does not have any sort of rear view camera. I don't know when they started making that as pretty solid for most cars, but it's been. Easily five ten, maybe here's. But there's an eye and it felt weird and I thought man you're an idiot to myself because I've become so reliant on those cameras of all those features that you're talking about it and I know there's a million I like the blind spot warning thing too. That's another one that I actually really think serves a great purpose but reliance on the camera on. The backup thing remember when I don't know if you're not old enough to remember when that first came out I always thought that's the dumbest thing I've ever seen who needs that you've got. You've got to side view mirrors you gotTa. Rear View Mirror. Why would you need a camera and now when I get in a car that doesn't have on I'm like what? It's amazing. It's amazing how we get used to that stuff and but it is way better. It's I mean for that feature for sure I. Mean there's so many benefits to that until it breaks well, but then you do have your mirrors. What what she's saying is you got to teach your kids from the stripped down version. They can handle any situation or you can just have them go out drive mine I got no backup game, my old Durango, but you've driven a car that has one and our other car has one. So I'm practicing both ways it's. It's handy feature yes. Katie. We appreciative. Thank you good luck. Katie. Five eight, four, four, four, ww show. Lucy's got something for US Lucie Ron with woody and Wilcox, what's Well. I was just wondering if you guys thought about all the ridesharing, your ridesharing, it's been awhile for what ten years at least maybe. I know twenty years ago when I was sixteen. Wait to. Get my driver's license. So I could get out of the house because my mom didn't have time to take movies and stuff like that. urged push that I want to hurry and get my driver's license but a lot of kids don't have that urge anymore because they could just ride share anywhere. I never thought of that. Yeah there's you're driving yourself but if you ever want to get that license I still think it should be in place. It's should you should still have to do it just in case I, mean of all the things you may have to do in a car parallel parking is pretty reasonable right? Oh absolutely, I mean I think everybody should have to parallel park I know I had to when I had to get my driver's license. I might not have been the best at it, but I can still do it properly. Right of passage you could park you can't choose morning radio that's for sure. Absolutely. And then just just another thought anybody think about like all the other people like, for example, people who are born and raised up north. A Lotta people from the south. They've been driving something consumers two years old whether it be a little go cart maybe a lawnmower. Bike you know all those kind of things willer because we have a space and the time and you know the things to do that up there, they've got the metro taxis camps. There's not a lot of place to park specially if you live in like New York City and things like that. So you know the time change you get older people want to move down here in the warmer weather, but if you've never driven. A car before and he moved to the North Carolina and you're eighty five years old you're listed as like a sixteen year old driver with no experience. That's a great point and it goes the other way to you think about people who grew up in snow and the ice and learned to drive on that way better than somebody in the south and then so is there a way to make that part of everybody's test right. Not, not not at all not. I'll be the first one to tell you. I cannot drive in the snow and I'm not afraid tournament it right. Off. The air you know what? About virtual reality? Why don't why don't we bring technology into this? Do some kind of training where you're you're in your simulation but you're in that situation because it can be ten situation when you're trying to parallel park. So add that in or snow rates and make it where inclement weather like the worst possible case scenario then I think you should have to go through and then add heckling to where people are just pointing and laughing at you. Right that way you know what I mean if you if you can get through the worst and then you've got it on the day. Lucy we appreciate the call. Thank you so much. Thank you have a good day to Fez line call AIG. I heard you talking about driving tests and whatnot I didn't get my driving license call. I was eighteen and I remember the test pretty badly because it was a larger lady and we were driving around and she didn't say anything for about five minutes and then all of a sudden she said, Hey turned into driveway here This is where I live and I got kind of confused and. That okay. This is where you live but you know once we go in what do you think we're probably going to be doing he said. He. Diverse. I saw picking your head Chelsea as he started to go along. What did you think was coming I knew it was coming I was like you knew that clip was coming I knew something. Something was coming context. What are we? GonNa do now. When I knew you thought it was going to be a well endowed me. Either way I mean are bar needs to be higher. Show kidding no. Better than half of the stuff we do. Yes. That's not saying much right seven hundred. Thirty two, hundred I know there are a lot of people who still want to ring in and that's cool. We Can I'm sure we'll solve it first of all. So that's in the offing we'll get to that momentarily. Woody and Wilcox show. Well, I threw it out there that I believe that the dumbing down of the driving test is causing drivers to be worse in. America. The state of Nevada was the latest to get rid of parallel parking as part of the test. Why because too many people were failing that portion of the test that's the way you make the world better. Though is when you're not good at something, you just stop trying to do it. That's I think everybody knows that it's not sure why you're coming down on the state of Nevada for that. Then why haven't we stopped trying to do morning radio? I don't know if I get it seven, four, Fez thirty, two, hundred, the way that you can get through by the way. Big On The show. I'M GONNA have to agree with what he hear that. You should be able to parallel park and I'm going to step it up a little bit. I think that in addition to parallel parking. have to change a spare tire. On Your own and he should learn how to drive standard. But had just me standards aren't really around anymore Have You know what I agree I think his sentiment is there are difficult things out there that are not covered on the test changing the tire is one of those things that. You should know I don't know how critical it is because AAA etc cell phones these days. Get help. That same argument right then why do you need to parallel park if your car can parallel park for you it's the same. You're saying the same sort of thing. Has that though I feel like it's not as common true and not everybody has aaa I guess playing devil's advocate sure driving a manual I try to get a manual in my truck when I bought it years ago and they were gonNA charge me more to have a manual transmission used to be the other way around right to get an automatic like, oh, there's a surge of that. Technology Right. They were charging more for manual. Going to do that. You mentioned that you thought the state of Nevada and others were getting rid of things that were hard on the tests for drivers and just so that they could make more money right? There are a couple of people who disagree with you. Hey guys in reference to the driver's license issue I doubt that it has anything to do with. Getting money for the actual driver's license, but can you imagine the number of people that? Did Not have a driver's license. had if the tests were any harder they would not be able to get to work to drive the economy. They wouldn't be able to make it to doctors appointments. We would have a huge crisis on our hands if this driver's license test, what's harder and weeded more people out I doubt that it has anything to do with that. Money that you get right there at the licensing portion of it This is more of a tennis human being. Live their daily life because and a lot of places. Vehicles are needed to go to the grocery store and other and other things. I don't have another means of transportation. So that's my two cents. Thanks. That's an interesting way of looking at it but I don't think that the DMV as thinking that when they go, you know what struggling on. Your scientists, this is the one with the Chew Chew. I can't imagine that this is some sort of we feel bad and we know you need to drive to the grocery store situation if you'd be. So basically she said if you don't have a driver's license, you're bedridden you can't leave the house. There's there are trains and buses and public transportation. ridesharing do not I mean not everywhere but yes. I think is that not everybody has access to those things. So your car is your main means of getting around doctors, appointments, etc but I disagree if you cannot pass whatever on the test, you don't get to drive I mean those things were on the test before and people were still somehow rising to the occasion. It's the dumbing down like we need to keep the standards at least what they are not hire. LET PEOPLE RISE UP LEARN IT. These are teachable skills. Well, I think this one will probably solve it. Hey, guys when I got my driver's license, my CDL I took the test and I failed it. They cut my beard off and forced me to beat it. Second time I passed the no problem that a Lotta. That ought to be part of it. One thing led to another four I noted. That would have done. The cut my beard. And forced me to eat. I couldn't hurt, right. You're ready ready. You'RE NOT GONNA mess up on the driving test if you have to eat someone in and if you don't have a beard, you gotta eat somebody else's beard that's the rule. Sorry Chelsea, you don't have a beer. There's a guy who sits in the corner and that's his whole job part of his beard off and you eat it when you fail the test, outgrow my own beer before I eat some other guys heared. Govind I laughed over the end, but we could trim off the part there. She's going to grow our own beard and eat it. so We've solved the dilemma. It's the woody and Wilcox show everyone in this room because now done not for a second, even dwelled on the fact. Shows over I don't it's the woody we'll cut your I don't think about it I I try not to think about it and therefore I Don't want to stop talking for a while because it's a very healthy way to deal with something that bear alternately not that important in the long run it's not. Not. A not important at all. We'll talk show. Looking for a new career, but don't want to spend four years in college. Then check out e CPI university through are year round accelerated programs. You can earn a bachelor's degree in just two point, five years and associates in one point five or earn your masters in as little as fifteen months whether it's technology healthcare business criminal justice order culinary arts are hands on programs can help you reach your professional goals. 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Hidden In The Depth of My Heart

Orville R. Beckford Ministries Podcast: "GRACE WITHOUT BORDERS!"

30:04 min | 2 years ago

Hidden In The Depth of My Heart

"Uh? All right. All right. Another good day to you. My friends Ray where you are listening to this podcast. It is my hope that you are touched inspired and blessed of the Lord and that your day your night your morning wherever you are on whatever time zone. You find yourself in that things are going great for you. This is another podcast coming from or be ministries. And this is Bishop Orville Beckford senior thanking you for tuning in to another podcast, and of course, even more. So thanking you for sharing it with your friends family and loved ones where ever they are around the world you have such power in your hands. As you. Listen to this podcast that you can just make one click, and you can share it with so many of your friends everwhere, and especially if you have been blessed, touched, and inspired. And you think there is somebody who could benefit from this cast. That you will share it with them that they too will be a blessing and shared with others. And by so doing we all together can touch change lies transform lives. An impact lives around the world, so many God bless you. As you listen to this podcast. And as you are inspired. May you stay blessed and stay encouraged and touched Lord, again, this is grace without borders. This podcast is coming to you from grace with Boorda's with Bishop Orville Beckford senior, and is it about cast of our be ministries. Some God bless you today. We want to talk about hidden in the depth of my heart hidden in the depths of my heart. And that of course is reference to the word of God as we will read letter with the psalmist actually says they word of I hid in my heart. Heart that I might not see against the. But before we get to that specific theme. Vers I want to give you a little overview of of this great song. And of course, versus found in psalm one hundred and nineteen someone the nineteen this great some of one hundred and seventy six versus has been almost completely focused on. Our make reference to the word of God in multiple ways by Russia of intense study and interpretation theologians and commentators conclude that only a handful of the one hundred and seventy six verses in this great psalm one hundred and nineteen the do not mention God's word in some form or another for example in it. You will find the psalmist reference to God's law twenty five times. In mentioned two words are words twenty four times its peaks of judgments twenty three times and testimonies twenty three times commandments twenty two times statutes trae one times precepts training one times another use of. Word again nineteen times. It also has trended two sections with the letters of the Hebrew alphabet represented in each section and somebody was will actually show. You somebody's actually show you those. He will words as they are being used in the some breaking it down into sections as you read through it. Now, it is interesting that the word word is used in two forms as I said, it's it's used in two forms by the author, and I say by the author because it is uncertain who really wrote this part akilah som-, though, most older commentators agree that this is a sum that was actually written by David. And so as I mentioned that they are two particular words that are used in this psalm. I wanna give you those two words in terms of their reference to word, and as they saw miss say, they word about hitting my heart, and I might not sin against you. When you look at what the two words that I use forward here. It was show you that everything that God has spoken. Everything that God has said than the author of this psalm wanna make sure that he digest them that he holds them dear to his heart and that he can reference them when he need them, and they will be of a help to prevent him from sinning against God and going contrary to God's will. So here is the first word. The first word is the word dob are. And it is the idea of the spoken word. God's revealed word to man that which he speaks to us from his own mouth. In other words, it is a dialect reference. Maybe a Raimo that comes exclusively directly from God to you. That is the spoken word of gun. Other words the. Thus saith the Lord that's the first word dob. Are the second word is Emrah. Why did has similar meaning to the first word dub are this word has abroad. Meaning and denotes any thing that God has spoken. Whether it is a commandment, are it is a promise that means for you. And me the same should be true. If God said it, then we ought to believe it we ought to receive it. And we ought to make it dear to a heart's. If God says it, and so it is a commandment. Are it is up? Promise are anything that God says is important that we hold it there, and that we can use them to reference about to our daily lives to encourage us to give a strength to give us hope to give us guidance give direction to. Speak peace in our hearts in in in our troubles in trials in a time of persecution and despair than whatever God says in his word, we want to hold them dear in a hot. When we go through turbulent times, we need God's word to hold us to keep a lip Sunday fighter. Keep a hearts rejoicing to give us hope and all the promises of God. So holding them there into a hearts, and that is the thought today hidden in the depths of my heart that when I need them. I can go to them. I can draw from the reservoir off the word of God that is hidden in my heart. So that I can pull through all of my situations as they come now in verse twelve is where I will place the most of the focus the right? I used the word Emrah in this one suggesting. That everything that God has spoken. He hides in his heart. According to Charles Spurgeon. He sees this wonderful song from its great length helps us to wonder at the immensity of scripture from its keeping to one subject. It helps us to adore the unity of scripture for it is booked one yet from the many turns it gives to the same thought it helps you to see the variety of scripture this psalm one hundred nineteen according to bridges Luther profess that he prized this psalm so highly that he would not take the world the whole world in exchange for one leaf of this psalm does. And you just imagine that in his Stein. The psalm may have been still on scrolls and manuscripts. And so there will be many leaves many pages that would that would give the full texts of this psalm George wish art he was a Bishop of ending Berg in the seventeenth century. He was condemned to death and would have been executed, but when he was on the scuffle he made use of a custom that allowed a condemned person to choose one psalm to be song and George Wishart. He chose some one hundred and nineteen of course, it's a longest psalm. So maybe it would be the longest song. Of course, maybe a strategically would giving him more time on the scaffold. But there was more. To than just the length of the song, and it direct cards shows before two thirds of the psalm was sung his pardon arrived and his life was spared. The most precious thing in a human here are the words of God. The most important thing that a human heart can digest is the word of God today, we see there so many things that we are we are digesting. And and because we digest so many other things that are not pertaining to the word of God nut and are not spiritually healthy when it comes to the word of God, many people develop indigestion that mean, there's so many things that are that have occupied our hearts that. When we hear the word of God, we have no place no room are no appetite for. The word of God. And so we digest other things. And now we have indigestion for the word of God. But again, the most precious things that human here can ever. Here are the words of gun on the most important thing. A human heart can digest is indeed the word of God. And it is not a wonder that the psalm is said as we reference a little bit from now that word I've I hid in my heart, and I might not sin against the this psalm begins with a pronouncement of blessings declared by divine inspiration, someone under the nineteen begins by saying blessed are the undefined in the way who walk in the law of the Lord remember that I said earlier when the many references to word in this psalm speaks of statues laws judgment. Testimonies at cetera et cetera. So the psalm begins that and said blessed are the undefined in the way who walk in the law of the Lord, blessings blessings, come my friends when we walk in the law of the Lord blessings follow those who walk in the law of the Lord blessings are applied to those who walk in the law of the Lord that blessing. Transcend thing was to to educate when he was told that he was going to die a nut live, and hey turned his face to the wall. And he spoke to the Lord and said, remember, Lord I walked in your way. I have kept your studies things that you told me to do I have done them. And as a result of that. The Lord added fifteen more years to his days, so blessings follow those or walk in the law of the Lord. Blessed. Are they that cheap is testimony verse two and that seek him with the whole heart blessed are those who do not fake it blessed are those who do not pretend to do it blessed are those who do not just follow the crowd who do it? But blessed are those who seek him with the whole heart as not something that I'm pretending trying to fabricate. But I am seeking with my whole heart and blessed are those according to the song. They also do know iniquity, they walk in his ways, the has commanded us to keep precepts diligently diligently. Oh, and here's a psalmist expression. All that my ways were directed to keep the status in other words. I wish I wish that all of my steps everything. I do everything I do every move. I make a wish that they were in keeping with status. Just imagine. If everything that you, and I do today were in line with God's statutes and testimonies on judgment and laws and precepts. Just imagine. If everything we do fell in line with God's desire an studies boy would be be blessed beyond measure. He said, then shall I not be ashamed when I have respect onto all commandments. Verse seven I will praise the uprightness of heart. When I have learned I writes, judgments, I will cheap die statutes. Oh, forsake me, not oughta Lee. And then the question is us where we're now. So. A young man cleanses way. And the answer is by taking heed there too. According to they word where it out Salah young men cleanses way, how can you? And I be cleanse. How can we become righteous out? Can we be some defied? How can we be godly? How can we be found right in the sight of God Jesus in his purse at father Santi, five him true? They choose for the word is truth where it out how Chen what's the method? What by what means a young man cleanses weight? And the answer is only by you, and me and all of us together taking heed according to what God's words say to us with my whole heart advice sought the or let me not wonder from the command. Events. And here is the key verse that we are basing this thought on today, they word of I hid in Meinhard that I might not sin against the it is important to hide it. But being ordered to either are before you can hide it. You must first have it my friends we can't hide what we don't have. And so as the Holy Spirit as scripture tells us that the holy sprint will bring back things to our remembrance. He cannot bring back to remember what we didn't know previously. So it becomes powered amount that we get to know what God's words say. So that when we needed we can draw back to them the sprit of. Gotcha. And bring them back to our remembrance. And so we can also hide them in our hearts for future reference and in moments of desperation, we can find him. So let's see we can Britain a little bit. What they what the psalmist was saying here on this particular verse they word the word. He used for hid is the word soften, it is permitted root word, which means to hide by covering over. It means to protect it means the keep in a secure place and you'll see later on why it is important that the word of God be kept in our hearts in a secure place. Right. We said note where he plans to keep it. He plans to keep it in his heart and not just in his head because there are many people who have the word of God in their heads. But not in their hearts. What does that mean that many people who can tell you? What the word says from memory there? Many people are a scholars, and they have great memory, and they can repeat version they can quote verse, and they can tell you where to find versus and they can reference today and apply them and speak and speak about them. But they have them in their heads and not in their hearts, and therefore if it's not in the heart than it is not impacting the life and the conduct. It has no impact or effect on their heart so EAS hiding it in his heart nut just in his head are not just on his lips. But deep down in his heart will be a secure place. The word of God is more important than flowing off the tip of our tongue. The psalmist used the word l'abbaye, which is widely used for feelings. It speaks of the will. And even of the intellect the heart. Also, speaks of the center of anything the man's heart is where he makes his decision. The months heart is we're he make decisions is attitude and his actions comes from the heart all the decisions that he make comes from the heart and soul. The the psalmist saying I want to hide your word in my heart that whatever comes out of my heart comes from where the word of God approves and we're the word of God shapes. What I say, it shades, my decision making it sits ships, my attitude, and my conduct and so when you words are in hidden in my heart. It will hinder me from sitting again. Against you in the center of my very being I had the words lumps up shut up in the depth of my heart. Are your words God, I hide them in my heart not for their own safety because Akon diverse eighty nine it says forever. All lord. They word is centered in heaven, so me hiding you. And I hide ING. God's words in our hearts. It is not for the safety and the protection of the word of God. But it's for our benefit in the future that we can have them to reference wherever we go. Whatever point in time, we need them. Because chances are we will not be able to have a bible in our hands are the memory to find a verse where to go to find it at the time of need. But if it is hidden in a heart's, we can always draw from it when we need them that word of hitting my. Heart for this reason that I might not sin against the it is just if it is just rested on the edge of my mind, it could slip away. But when it is hidden in the center of the heart no way can slip away. And no way can the devil. Pluck it out of my heart either no way. Will it be erased? It has hidden in the inner depth on the secret places in my heart. I will keep them in my mind in my awareness in my understanding. And why do I need to hide them? Listen this. Why do I need to hide them? The truth is the devil is like a vulture flying around looking to rip the word of God of a hearts, but I have them in in a secret and the secure place. You know when especially when you are. Having troubles. And and when you are being persecuted, and you're going through temptations and trying times the devil. Don't want you to remember what God's word says he doesn't want you to remember what God's promises are. He doesn't want you to remember to find hope and and joy in the words of God. He wants to bring more and more confusion and me you and I feel as if God is nowhere. They're nowhere there that we can call him. So the words that we need in the time when we become desperate and lonely and confused on perplexed. We need to make sure the word of God is hidden in our hearts because the devil again is like a culture frying around looking to rip it out of your heart. But I have them in a secure and a safe place. Not only is God's words hidden in my heart and should. Be in your hard. But it stays alive. It stays alive in your heart. As long as it is alive. The devil. Can't rip it out of your heart. As long as it is alive. He can't rip it out of your heart. The votes Merck's in the sky waiting for something to die are searching for something that has a ready died. That's what the venture does you seem flying around and making circles going up and down and around. He's looking for something that has already died are waiting for something to die. So that he can prey upon and he can feed himself vultures while they don't have eagles is according to Wolterbeek, they smell the unique sulphurous chemical compounds of the cane meet. From which from high in the sky, then it circles around Don words until the find the aromas orgin Jesus made mention about the word falling by the wayside and pick took by the foul of the air. So he's what I'm saying. There is become poof too that the word falling by the wayside not hidden in the heart than the folks will pass by the fault of the air will pass by. And they will pick them up pluck them out of your, you know, if they had in our insecure place, if they're just hanging around on the lips and on the head and not deep in the heart than divulge could see them all they are like allow onto my feet on the light onto my path by keeping God's words in my heart. I find comfort in my lonely moments by keeping his word in my heart. I learn how. How to deal with unscrupulous people because his words are hidden in my heart. I still have victory over the devil by keeping God's words in my heart. They keep me from going straight because I have them hidden in my heart. They keep my lips some defied, and when I'm pushed beyond measure, and sometimes the devil, and the adversary and the temperature and those who frustrate you and first-rate me one when the devil wants me to retaliate and to respond with words that would with condemn and would destroy my character, Mike under speak bad of my conduct because God's words are hitting my heart. They keep me. My lips some defied and prevent me from going astray. Because I have them in my heart. I learn how to be patient. I find strength when I keep him in my heart and soul the scripture again in the same in the same psalm one mainly nice with a young man cleanses way. And is only by taking heat there too. According to God's word is word teaches me and teaches you patience. Yes. My friends it teaches us tolerance. It increases our forbearance. It is. It intrigues is our faith. It gives us hope it gives us emotional strength. It consoles a hearts, and drives away affairs. And oh that I made today and all that you made today a lot God's word deep in your heart. Hidden in the depths of my heart. Are they words God that I may not sin against the value? Word of I hid in my heart that I might not see against the again, a secret quiet place, we need to again study there at says to study the short yourselves approved unto God a workman that needed. Not to be a shame in rightly dividing the word of God. Again, if we do not have the word than the Holy Spirit cannot bring it back to our remembrance. So the thing that we run from today, and we don't have time to do the most important into the Christian survival in these last days is that we need to have God's words in a heart's. We need to know how we can fight Obama's horror. We will overcome. We need to be able to look back on those who. Have had victories those who stumbled and fell and got up because God restore them and gave them grace win. Look those troubles even when they're in. God's will look at those even David who was a man of God's own heart that he still had all kinds of difficulties in his walk. We need to have those things in our hearts hidden. So we can look back and reference them in the time of need. So that we can stay encourage and inspired and motivated as we continue to worship Lord steadfastly. I hope today my friends that you will keep God's word hidden in the death of your heart than when everything comes running all around your soul is giving way. He remains your hope and your stay my today is that this word find the secret place in your heart to dwell there to stay there. And so you can draw from it. When you need it. This is great. Uh-huh. Is of course. 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