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"ignatius donnelly" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"Likewise, there were. There were scientists who made a good faith effort to try and understand. You know what? What had happened here, but ultimately, they kind of shrugged and gave up and So I found that there was this kind of whole catalogue of things that really didn't fit neatly into either religious or a scientific worldview And that That category ended up sort of crystallizing into this weird kind of, you know, French set of beliefs that all kind of interacted and overlapped with one another. So let's talk about that meat shower for a minute because there was there was one group of people who did try to make a scientific explanation for it. Ah, And then there was another group who thought it was, you know, sort of Locusts and frogs and gods and God in those kind of things, So one What was it? Really? Do you have any thoughts on that? Well, right, okay. Yeah. So they're on their number of theories. You know, I looked at all of them. You know, some people said it was frog spawn. Some people said it was sort of, you know, spontaneous fungus growth. You know, there were there were guys in Olympia Springs. There were two guys who tried Tio taste it to see if they could figure out which I don't necessarily recommend. If you find strange meet out on the ground Some. Some scientists examined it under a microscope and declared that on deposits across it was either, um, horse meat or the human infant, which is a pretty pretty gnarly suggested. Um, but but couldn't be couldn't be conclusive. Either way, And so the best story, I think the most popular story for better for worse is the idea that it was a flock of vultures. Who simultaneously group vomited that they had. You know, either. They had all been eating on the same bad horse and you know, one of them decided it wasn't sitting well with with with them, and so the rest of them sort of followed suit. Or they were trying to sort of lighten their load so they could get up higher in the air or something like that. So that's that, I think is the most popularly accepted explanation that it was a sort of mass. Vulture vomit situation, But there were no vultures reported in the area was it was a clear day and you think that many vultures would have would have made an impression And nobody reported any vultures. So even the most Plausible scenario doesn't quite entirely work. Vulture Vomit is a great name for a punk band. Oh, yeah, as is the great Kentucky meat shower. I mean, you know that through the research in this, I found a lot of really excellent names for bands of various kinds, so I'll be headlining Coachella, with half a dozen of them next year. My guess is Colin Dickie. The nameless book is the unidentified mythical monsters, alien encounters and our obsession with the unexplained. So you use the word crank in your book, You talk about cranks. How do you define someone is a crank. And then why do how to cranks fit into this idea of the unidentified? Yes, A crank is this word that comes in the parlance and you know, sort of the end of the 19th century early 20th century and the kind of textbook crank in my book. It's this guy Ignatius Donnelly, who was a Hey, was a failed land speculator who then went into Congress. He served a couple of years in Congress before leaving. He wrote this book on Atlantis, which becomes the first book deposit that Atlantis wasn't just some mythical place that Plato the philosopher invented, but was actually a really Plays and it becomes a huge bestseller because what Donnelly is able to do is he's able to borrow The kind of rhetoric of science and sort of kind of mimic and archaeological pose and take some You know some actual truth, you know, little bits of of true scientific knowledge, kind of nuggets here and there and spin them into this elaborate, articulated kind of hypothesis that if you if you don't know any better looks pretty good, you know, reads almost like a scientific text. But if you start to actually poke holes in it, you find that the whole thing kind of collapses and and to the crank. Is this this person who sort of adopts a kind of pseudo scientific pose in order to advance sort of deeply wild Theory there a conspiracy theory or just sort of some outlandish kind of view of the world but has done so in this in this way, That's almost it. It's a lot harder to deal with, sometimes because it does look scientific to the untrained eye and and they could be a lot harder Teo to root out and debunk. Talk about some crypt, IBS people. Most people know Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster are listening area. People are very familiar with the legend of the New Jersey Devil has kind of become a state mascot in some way. But what is the actual story? What was the what was the origin story of the New Jersey Devil? New Jersey Devil is like really fascinating yet because it has this really long story. So so it it stretches back to the 17th century stretches before that, But you know, in the 17th century, you had these European settlers who are on the edge of New Jersey. And you know much of New Jersey is still the wild pine barrens. It's you know, it's it's the kind of foreboding forests it's it's, you know. The untamed frontier, Right? And the the white settlers start hearing about this loan, I figured, named missing Wei, who is a kind of kind of patrols the forest and kind of insurers a kind of balance and harmony. Among the natural creatures and But you know, if you if you cross missing way, then you know bad things will happen to you. And that sort of gets merged and melded with another story of the Leeds Devil, which is The story of ah of a white settler woman who curses her her her child during birth and gives birth to this kind of horrifying kind of monstrosity that then becomes the Leeds Devil and And so you kind of get this blend of these various kind of, you know, sort of kind of mythological and religious folklore And this kind of morality tale about about women who are, you know, out of control, and then you know, breed monsters or whatever. And Over the years. This thes story's kind of blend emerge until they emerge in the in their early 20 centuries, the jersey Devil and you know the story sort of resurface when they're these weird hoof prints that are found in the snow and People started resurrecting the jersey Devil and and a dime store are sorry. A dime museum gets the bright idea..
"ignatius donnelly" Discussed on Something You Should Know
"Reconcile, or process the fact that they are way outnumbered in their belief that eighty percent of people believe that what they believe is is not true. or or maybe they just they just don't care I. think it runs the Gamut. There are a lot of people for whom IT IS A. Possibility, but probably, not something they take too. Seriously I mean people who maybe just decide to spend the weekend camping with their friends and think, oh, well, why don't we put out a motion detector camera and maybe we'll get lucky maybe we'll see sauce watch out there but don't. Devote their lives. I found other people who take it very seriously. And I don't know that they think the rest of us has not, but I think they. They have found communion with like minded people and a sense that they have a secret knowledge that doesn't belong to the rest of the world. Let's talk about a couple of specifics like. The one that one that really confuses me is Atlanta's because there isn't a whole lot of evidence. I don't think that that there is this continent that just disappeared in this civilization was lost but boy, there are people who really believe it Atlantis. Comes about it starts with Plato the Greek. Philosopher. But he kind of positive Atlantis more as a kind of philosophical exercise. It's a sort of a supernatural place that he just sort of is using to make a point about about philosophy and human civilization. and. Then it's more or less forgotten until until the eighteen seventies when this Guy Ignatius Donnelly. Who is a failed businessman and a former congress person. Writes this book Atlantis where he posits. That Plato was actually talking about a literal civilization with an archaeological record. Culture and civilization and art, and all these things that we can find traces of and it becomes A. Big Bestseller and people really gravitate to this idea. And I think for me one of the things I find you know if I had to hazard a guess as to why became so popular it does strike me that it happens again in that time when. The map had been really filled in, and so people wanted something they want to believe in something that is. Out of reach from modernity, they WANNA believe in in a place that will never be you know it'll never be colonized. There will never be flights out of there. You'll never be able to go there on vacation you'll never. Be sent there on business will always be this place that has just outside in this other place in and that I think is very alluring and tantalizing idea that kind of supersedes any. Anybody sense that you need actually have historical proof before you can believe this thing. Are there any of these unexplained things that you find really interesting or that that are unexplained and then get explained that They're figured out. Oh, that's what that really was. Okay. So you know when we think of when we think of when we think of. SASQUATCH and Yeti and stuff like that. It's usually like a footprint or maybe it's a grainy photograph or maybe it's an eyewitness account from a sketchy guy or something like that. There's usually not a lot of firsthand direct evidence and I assume that was the case until I discovered the story of the Glouster Sea Serpent and the gloster sea serpent the early eighteen hundreds shows up outside of Cape Ann Massachusetts is described as anywhere from fifty to one hundred feet long with a body the diameter of like a a beer barrel. So pretty big animal and it wasn't just seen by one person it wasn't just seen once it was seen by dozens if not hundreds of people. Over the course of like a week or two on this thing hung out in in the bay. Visible from shore. Visible from people who were out on boats and a lot of people saw it and a lot of people were able to describe it in the exact same way. People would come out from Boston on the weekend to take a look at it like Shamu seaworld. It was like something you could just go and see, and I think it's really fascinating to me that that the gloster sea serpent never gets the celebrity presence that that bigfoot or the Yeti or the Loch ness monster does when I think objectively you got to say, well, there's a lot more. Sightings of this. Regular predictable sightings of this creature then than some of the more famous ones and so what was it well so it's it's a fascinating story. So at the time you know saw this thing everybody's like, okay. Well, we definitely you know this is definitely a thing we should figure out what it is. So great of biologists and scientists from Boston get tasked to try and discover what this is and. They're you know they take a bunch of David's from eye witnesses and they put together their theory and then while they're working on it, this baby is found the baby serpent specimen is found around the beach. Somewhere a local farmer manages to kill it and then delivers it to these scientists and says, look I. Think this is just the baby version of the sea serpent and so and so they. Sort of oddly shaped sort of looks like a snake, but it has these weird ridges that they've never seen before and they think, okay, this is this is just the. Juvenile form of what we've seen it's only four feet long, but it would probably have grown to fifty feet if whatever if fitted matured so they give it a give it a scientific classification they they slotted into, you know the kind of tax comical system and and kind of wipe their hands and say great we're done. We have discovered a new species and that's that's the only. That's the only specimen that's ever found then years later, another biologist takes a look at it because it's taxidermied and kept on display in a museum takes look at any says, you know this is not a new species. This is an ordinary snake that has a very bad case of rickets and kind of debunks the idea that they had found a baby serpent in on his able to sort of demonstrate that it's just. A disease snake with a lack of vitamin D. so so that's the that's sort of the end of the story as far as most people are concerned, but in my mind. While I'm like, yeah. Okay. So that was that was a mistake to treat that. Rickett Rickety snake as as a new species. It doesn't really answer the original question, which is what it all those people see through the course of that month of August and I think we we still don't really have an answer for that. Well, I've always believed a lot of this is because it's human nature to fill in the gaps. We don't like unfinished story. So if we see lights in the sky, we think well, maybe that could be creatures from another planet if we see something fuzzy in the distance in. The Woods in. It looks really big will maybe that's bigfoot and that there is this tendency to want the whole story, and if you don't get the whole story, you fill in the whole story but it it does make for interesting beliefs and interesting ideas. Colin dickey has been my guess to the name of his book is the unidentified mythical monsters, alien encounters, and our obsession with the unexplained. You'll find a link to his book in the show. Notes, thank, you Colin thank you so much for having me on this been great. A lot of online daters should probably change their profile picture. A study found that a full body shot can more than triple the amount of messages you get. Fees just turn out to be a bad idea. Especially, if you're a man those who use them experience in eight percent drop in activity. 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"ignatius donnelly" Discussed on The Best of Coast to Coast AM
"Yeah. Who knows I'm being cleared. We're I. GUESS WE'RE GONNA see more but but it's just stay tuned. I guess calling out you interested in the unusual. I. You know I think that I've always been interested in that stuff. That kind of nobody else wants to Watch the touch I've got. My first book was ended up This was a long time ago, but it ended up being a lot about phonology, which is a you know, the science of the bumps on your head, and whether or not they indicate your personality and I. Thought well, you know this is not very good science, but it it is, it is really have an impact on the nineteenth century did did have an impact on history and Walt Whitman was a big believer in phonology and I realized that just because something is a little stranger off ball. A little goofball doesn't mean that It doesn't doesn't motivate people to do things and change the world that we live in so I think I. I got interested in stuff because it seems like We should. We should be taking this stuff seriously if it if it if it affects our world. We're GONNA talk about three individuals from the nineteenth century early part of the twentieth century that you key on the first part of Your Book Let's start with Ignatius Donnelly. Who Was Ignatius Donnelly? So Yeah Ignatius. Donnelly one of my favorite guys. He's sort of a failed real estate developer. Who thinks that was in Congress? He served a couple. Years in the US Congress in the seventies that you know his political fortunes. Change and he's he's. He's left out. So decides what he's going to do. Is GonNa. Write a book on the history of Atlantis. Which you know he's? I. Mean You know Plato Notwithstanding he's kind of the first guy in modern times to really. Take this seriously. And he He writes US book as if the huge bestseller you know, people are just really really anxious for this for you know it's. It's. It's around the time. This is you know right around the time when? Hyde of the western. World is kind of figured out pretty much everything where everything goes on the bath. You know like you know. Explorers have pretty much been everywhere. They've they have kind of filled in the spaces and math. There's nothing really left to quote. Unquote. Discover right and so. When Ignatius Donnelly comes along during this time, and he's like well. Maybe there's a whole another confident. We'll never get there. I it Kinda Kinda triggers that that that love and obsession, and that that fascination with you know kind of those undiscovered places, and so that's that's his. That's his big Kinda contribution. He ends up writing a thousand page book about how Shakespeare didn't place attributed to him. That doesn't go over quite a wealth. You know that's the kind of guy he was was. He respected during his lifetime. Oh Yeah. Yeah I. Mean he was he he you know as I, said I mean he he was a. he was a big bestseller. dot letters from You know people like Charles Darwin like well, you know I. Believe everything but I think this is a cool idea and I. Think you've done good work here and so yeah, so you had. He had a pretty far and wide impact You know he kind of in his later life, he could ever really replicate that success and I think he got a little embittered in his later life, but he definitely had his moment to shine it and I mean we're still talking about Atlanta's and I. think that's that's thanks to our good friend to. A name. We've heard before Madame Blah. Ski. Tell us about her. Yeah! It's sort of the same time you know she's She's pioneering this. Idea of. What becomes the Aussie but she also is, she takes. She takes the idea of Atlantis, and then she takes this other idea. Lomilia which was originally an idea that you know. Maybe they're continent. Between Madagascar and India where you know, which explains why they're lemurs on both of those places and It's sunk a long time ago. And and you know the name Maria she. You know the geologist Kinda. Lose interest in that idea. kind of doesn't quite work for them, but she she picks it up and she really runs with. That Atlanta's can be somewhere in the Atlantic, ocean maybe there's a up Pacific Ocean Corollary LA- Mirian. So you know like once again, you know we're. We're sort of. For kind of new undiscovered lands, and and you know unlike Ignatius You know a block. T adds a lot more of a kind of metaphysical. Idea, that like different. Different descendants are kinda different. evolutions of human beings existed on these various continents. Were were slightly advanced You know you know you and I or whatever you know. And so you know that that again. This idea that you know it's not just the lost continent, but it's a lost with these kind of kind of semi, magical or semi advanced, or you know creatures kind of floating around. Maybe they're human. They're not in that. That then becomes. You know. Let let people now talk about in terms of you know. Maybe maybe the fast guys make. That's a different kind of movement of evolution, and in human beings or something like that I don't know like I. Find Different theories all over the place. One of my favorites at the time Charles, fort, creator of the forty times. Tell us about him. Yeah and again he Charles for it you know who huge influence on this book and I. I imagine for for a lot of your listeners that the the difference between Charles for the reason why I think just Charles for is so great. Is that you know he unlike Lachey and Lamar, a he or a ethnics donnelly like he doesn't necessarily put forth A. You know that's what's really great about. This looks sort of like. He lists all this crazy. He just lays out there, doesn't he? Exactly yeah, he kinda puts it out there and he says you know science doesn't have a good answer for this. I don't have a good answer this, but it looks like it happened so go through that. What you will you know what I mean? The idea of you know the book of the damned you know which is what what is first book is called the idea that these damn facts these are facts that are kind of pursed and driven out of of the respectable hall of science that. To me as a as a really cool idea and so so yeah, so so I what I try to do in this book as best, I could follow kind of Charles Sports model by you know kind of. Reporting and and kind of trying to trace this stuff without necessarily feeling like I needed a strong scientific answer for Y. Everything Happens Colin. How different was Charles Ford from Ripley there around the same time period, and Ripley of course finding oddities, little crazy things, too. Yeah exactly I mean it's. It's part of a whole movement I think that that's Ford is really the the the originator of that kind of incorrect? Because you know again I'm sure some you're listening to others, but he started out writing books closer to you know. Donald is looking Atlantis. He has this book about you know. Maybe human behaviors controlled by like radio waves through the planet Venus or something like that, but he can't find a publisher for it and and it never gets published and he. he burned the manuscript. We don't have it anymore.
"ignatius donnelly" Discussed on The Best of Coast to Coast AM
"You get your podcasts. Now, here's a highlight from coast to coast. AM on Iheartradio and welcome back to coast to coast George Noory with you. Our special guests, calling dickey with his latest book is called. The end identified this article. Monsters alien encounters in our obsession with the explain that me tell you a little bit about Colin Group in San Jose California few miles away from the winchester, mystery house, that's one of the most haunted houses in America will talk a little bit up that as a writer speaker, an academic, he has made a career collecting unusual objects in hidden histories from all over the country is regular contributor to the L.. A. Review of books. Co editor with. With Joanna Epstein of the Morbid Anatomy Anthology, he is also a member of the order of the good death, which is a collection of artists, writers and death industry professionals interested in improving the Western world relationship with mortality, got a PhD and Comparative Literature from the University of Southern California also an associate professor, of creative, writing at National University Colin Welcome back. You're on with our colleague Dave schrader few years ago. It's good to have you back. Yeah, thanks for having me back in this look at four to this latest book, the unidentified that sounds great. Tell me a little bit about the Winchester Mystery House. What makes it so wanted in your opinion? Oh, yeah, the Winchester Mystery House so for for people who don't know Sarah Winchester was the daughter-in-law, the guy who invented the Winchester Rifle Company and her infant child, and then player husband died at a young age, and so she herited this vast sum of money she According to legend, she was she became convinced. She was a her family was cursed in a psychic told her that the thing to do would be to by by House that that was never finished, so she bought this Abrahams Farmhouse in San Jose California and started start building on. It's supposedly twenty four hours a day seven days a week for the the rest for life, and so the winchester mystery house. which you know, you still go visit still sort of in the heart of actually. I! I. Don't know tours are going on right now, but direct. But you know it's it's this one hundred and sixty one room sprawling Victorian mansion that just kind of you know just loses out in every direction it's it's one of the weirdest coolest houses and and yeah I grew up down the road from. I used to go there all the time. Get really kind of piqued my interest in these kind of weird spaces, and these kind of forgotten destinations that we don't pay too much attention. To what is it calling about? People who love to go to scary places they just love it, and as you say in the last part of your book, title our obsession with the explain. Yeah I mean I. Think you know like a for a lot of. It's just this this desire to leave it. There is something more out there. You know there's something that's just not quite explained by you know science and religion what having the kind of stuff that solves between the cracks. It's just you know like I. It's it's all out there. It's all around us. We don't have a good explanation for it, so we Kinda just Kinda. Keep coming back. It's kind of like like that issue. Just Kinda can't can't quite get to keep wanting to scratch it and I think it just kind of draws us these kind of weird thing. And of course, tell me about the Morbid Anatomy Anthology. What the heck is that? Yeah, yeah, well. Yeah, that that's a project you know my friend Joanna started that I that I became involved in and I think it's really just you know the the again. I I mean we tend to think of this stuff is kind of gross. You know the Kinda history kind of weird medicine and kind of halogen and stuff like that, but it also has. Kind of interesting aesthetic and kind of it's kind of beautiful at times and so Jan. it's been really involved in kind of making that that kind of historical inquiry into the history of medicine and other kind of weird stuff kind of her her bailiwick, so her and I put together this this book. That's just sort of collection of writers kind of tackling You know that that kind of. You know historical fascination with medical oddities and stuff like that, so that was a lot of fun. Where do people get the other defied? It's out well I mean it's out as of today so by the time Taina. Yeah, so so yeah, it's a anywhere. Amazon bookshop that Oregon where you guys five bucks. Yeah, it should be there. You focus a lot on scripted you. Foes lost continent of Atlantis in. Liberia tell me about that connection. Yeah I mean I. You know again as I. think that I started looking at this stuff. Kind of you know even less like does is much like you know. When did we get interested in this? Why did we? Why did we become interested in this stuff? And it all seemed to coalesce around like the the right right around the end of the nineteenth century, and into the twentieth century, the Atlantis I mean you've got plato talking about Atlanta's You know you know ancient Greece but but everybody kind of forget about until this Guy Ignatius Donnelly and the eighteen seventy s publicist. This book on it and that kind of reignites are are sudden. Newfound Obsession Atlanta's and you know which which continues to lasting day, you know, I, think what what I what I started seeing when I kind of tried to figure out a tight of historical connection is. The second half of the Nineteenth Century into the twenty century. That's really when we start to see you know science and religion kind of polarizing. They're kind of two different ways of looking at the world needs to separate camps right, and they're both they both have all these answers right, both you know science and religion. Kind of you know, say you. You know we've got all the answers. Just you know trust us, and meanwhile you know there's all this stuff that kind of doesn't get kind of answered by either them and I think that's when we kind of start to look for for for what's going on here so people who are know starting to look for Crypto, or you know big foot and. Shoe copper, and all that stuff that you know they were were interested. You know we became interested in stuff. Right around the time that you know science and religion kind of pretended like they could answer all these questions, and we were left with kind of weird remainder, and that that seemed to be the kind of connecting thread through a lot of the stuff that ended up kind of informing what this book became about. Have you seen some of the latest videos that the Pentagon has acknowledged now about these ufo's at the navy fighter jets chased. It's crazy, right? Yeah, Oh my God! Yeah, yeah, and and you. There's you know. Reports that the Pentagon was paying you know. I think I think they paid twenty million dollars to subcontractor to figure out if. There's anything to these videos which to me is either like if if if it's a hoax, then man that was a waste of money, and if if it's real that man, that's not nearly enough money, I mean. Discovery ever we should be putting a little bit more money to it, so it's weird. The weird number so.
"ignatius donnelly" Discussed on KLBJ 590AM
"The ideology that's wrong but what is the Max you keep defending it I read the Bible myself with me like you mean like a picture of Jesus for example on the on the wall or the financing of management and yeah but there are idols either okay because they're Christian items there are idols it's other idols that are idle idols right it's like it's like the Taliban you know the Taliban in Afghanistan they look at boot and they say well look at that I'll it was not there I've got it well people worship the very well I know but I I get it right or you know again again again Sir Christ is our idol he's our guy he's the Christians I'll but if you if you were to take a let's say a figurine of Christ to Afghanistan Hey good luck they they would they wouldn't think of that the way we think of that they begin gathering the blasting caps and dynamite you just have to get out of the way west of the Rockies you're on the air hello hello how are you I'm reasonably alright you guys change your format there's a there's a you turn the radio off okay nothing new about that I've been saying it every years it's going to be inscribed on my grave strokes don't turn off your radio screeners on this and I called last night there are no screeners there's only me over there arch large bell yes I'm on the radio right now well son of a gun you you are darn it there anyway your doctor Thompson last night yes doctor Johnson he he answered quite a few good points but you know I have a whole bunch of books from prior to the prior to the first of the this this century yeah they were written in there were there were a number of very good studies done on the existence of of the Atlantean and the Marion continents yes and one I have breaking from here no argument I I think all of us at least that listen to this program the majority of us believe that there were other civilizations that came before ours we argue about whether was sich ins way or Thompson's way or user been archaeologists the way or you know but we all pretty much agree there may have been stuff that's come and gone okay that that's true but there were gale article studies done prior to any during the eighteenth century I mean during the eighteen hundreds which right now in the center of the Atlantic Ocean there is a bridge call the dolphin rage which was discovered by British ship called the dolphin yeah and and this ridge and Aggie fans from the Azores islands which Ignatius Donnelly claims what is the the center of the Atlantean empire and extends all the way from the Azores islands up to the up to almost the Great Britain now across from Great Britain to the American continent was also part of this and this was a land bridge from Europe into into the Americas and this this this barrier there is what cause is is what he says because of the the ice age there was no Gulf current and I mean it it it amazes me they said that more people don't study these older geographical studies well here's what catches me if civilization has achieved some level of scientific advancements several times in the past and then been more or less pushed then well we're doing pretty well right now if you don't if you don't look at the stock market we're doing pretty well right now and a yep the weather is beginning to turn terrible on us no question about that question of whether or not we are having an impact on or if it's a normal cycle is gonna ask yourself do you feel lucky this century you know it's something right so it's gonna happen are all right Sir I really appreciate your call yeah I think there were others first time caller line you're on the air hello I'm yes existing wish extinguisher radio okay internals I'm sorry I'm sorry okay I was on the internet actually I see okay yes yes where are you I'm in Lubbock Texas Lubbock yeah does everything in Lubbock Hey love extremely good today isn't all right we had like a mini sandstorm which is you have nothing to tell us if there was a nice day a mini sandstorm yeah to love begins it's nothing yet okay well what's up anyway well what I wanted to talk to art about was I would question him about his the statement that he is may about he has he is not able to make a leap of faith you know when he's talking to Katherine ketene R. yes even ed dames you know different issues will come up you mean you would want to set art that he if you question the fact that he can't believe in in say god or or make that final leap of faith right when I'm going to end but you know I really couldn't put you on there with our to say something like that what do you see what you do as I said I couldn't put you on the air with art to say something like that and why not well I mean you're you're you're questioning his ability to make a leap of faith in no no sense of do you you get what you no no no no that lately art has been a little depressed over some things and he could break out in tears right in public radio over something like that no no I mean you surely could expect me to slam you on there and let me ask a question like that it is very intriguing because I know him from listening to him but he's not someone who's gonna break out in tears over something like this I know what he's feeling I'm telling you I'm trying to you gotta understand I work with them and he's he's emotional tonight you can't handle it I'm telling you okay well what I mean you really wish you would go on with him anyway huh one now would well a I would go along with him anyway in this sense what I want to know because I'm a parent and I know he's a parent and I know he has light he's undergone some excruciating unbelievable you want to remind him of that would you know I don't want to remind him of it but I want to ask him and he'll have to call there's no did not want to ask you're not listening to me there's no more time tonight you'll have court tomorrow night he'll be in a better mood than all right I'll know that sorry no.
"ignatius donnelly" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"Also. Germans I should add ah not descended from ancient group. There's so many problems with what he wrote. Modern Germans descended from five different tribes the Saxons Franks the throwing the the Ala Monier Beret. These five tribes sometimes. The inclusion of the Frisians are considered the main groups that You know sex it up to form. Modern Germans problem with his area. Myth is it now. There is a variety of Germanic tribes. That were there. Were different different linguistically culturally again. Go back far enough. Oh you know Africa you get it other even crazier teachers crazier teachings. Excuse me also appealed to Hitler and the fake area and Echo Chamber of hate and stoop but he surrounded himself with a Nazi theorists named Alfred. Rosenberg believed that. The Nordic race was descended from Proto. Aryans who he believed had pre historically dwelt on on the north German plain but in ultimately originated on the lost continent of wait for it. Atlantis hey now. We brought the lost island of Atlanta's into this mix. Fuck yeah bro Sweet. Cool story and we haven't even come close to maximum out on this week's crazies. Soon GonNa get even crazier this Rosenberg motherfucker. It'll be hanged for war crimes after the war and it's too could have been brought back to life and then hanged again by Dick. He'll be one of the main authors of the Holocaust pushing in crafting that pro Arian. Fuck everyone else. Ideology to cost. Millions of people. Their lives as a Nazi party's chief racial theorist Rosenberg oversaw the construction of a human racial ladder. That justified Hitler's racial and ethnic policies. Hi NRG Kimbler later architect of the Holocaust boy did him or love. Rosenberg's theories a big fan big fan pretty sure Hiller used to beat off. And it's not the office Rosenberg theories even more than Hitler did y'all Rosenbach. Germans are descended from Atlantis. Jews that dilute your Atlassian blood a nine nine nine not yet little humor now. I've read so much more Rosenberg built in the Works Gabrielle. And others took it further. He was a big believer of the Judeo Mason conspiracy that centers around notions of the secret coalition of Jewish leaders and freemasons economic strings. For the whole world. He was basically the WHO I imagine. David Eick or Alex Jones who who they might be if they were put in a position of actual extreme political power. I just Alex Jones with Nati power the frogs. Hey We know that we know that for a fact. We know that the Jewish freemasons made the frogs game to make homosexuality more appealing to strong frog. Like Aryan boys and girls to try and get him to from breeding later doesn't allowing the Jewish Mason and a Freedom Day. Frogs destroy us. Can you smell the sulfur. Can you spell Jewish freemason teammates offer and ask Jones really did think nefarious forces were making escape by the way. I didn't just pulled out of thin. Air Rosenberg believed the Germans racially pure supposedly. Aaron ancestors lived at one. Time on the lost island of Atlantis And I should note here a lot of people the time did. Actually you believe in the Atlanta Smith not the area routes part necessarily but the lost island part people from archaeologists explorers the politicians people that included a former US congressman. We talked talked about way back and suck forty-three the lost city of Atlantis episode it was Ignatius Donnelly of Minnesota. Who is an influential Atlanta's believer in eighteen? Eighty two who donnelly positive Atlanta's not merely lost island but the very cradle of humanity itself the earthquake that destroyed it he maintained was the big bang of civilization which hurled Atlanta's this is population in its culture across the world from which emerged the Greek gods the forebears of the Aztecs through founders of the cities of Mesopotamia etc etc.. Donnelly's book look at Lantis. The end Leuven world heralded a new Atlantis Renaissance. Which Helena Helena blankie Ukrainian co-founder of the Theo Sophocles society at the end of the nineteenth century also played a part? We talked about old madame. VAT sloppy a bunch of that. Atlanta Suck Antediluvian by the way means of for belonging to the time before the biblical flood and Helena was quite the storyteller. Oh Boy We have heard of blame for also much insanity that exists on the Internet today. This looney toon said she did travel along the astral plane. She was visited on a regular basis by the spirit of the mysterious Indian who told her powerful secrets about the world's origins since she was super mentally unstable Really really glad her rock-solid mind was round to influence people who influenced him or And then you know. Hiller hlavac would claim or others claim on her behalf that she was that when she was young she left an unhappy marriage to a vice. Governor traveled around the world where she smoked hashish with universal mystic brotherhood but in Cairo studied Voodoo New Orleans found a lost incan treasure. In South America performed as a concert pianist. England visit the Mormons. The Salt Lake City got their secrets. Wounded and left for dead fighting alongside of famous Italian general survived not one but two C disasters had an affair with an Italian opera singer discovered covered an ancient language called sensor studied in Tibet with the Group of ancient secretive quasi immortal masters. Who told her about Atlantis? And whose overall teachings would later become central to her thesis feel Sahfiqul Teachings Hellas. Mother was a fiction author and it seems that Helena learned a thing or two about making making up stories from mom. Holy Shit was Helena so full of so much shit. Levinsky claim to have learned about the existence of mankind seven root races the fourth of which originated in Atlantis the fifth of which was the areance who descended from the Atlantans like Donnelly. She believed that. The wisdom of Atlanta's was spread across across the globe when the island was destroyed she thought the descendants of the Atlantic still carried in their blood the quality of their forebears and she believed that the descendants of Atlantis again where the areas and of course archaeology supports fucking. None of this knitted as any field of academic study. I mean we all know that right none of it. None of this should is true I say this because people still put on. The'll sophal workshops today right. They're pushing the shit today. Right Books Asking people to subscribe to their fucking crazy ass websites staying The one thousand nine hundred one German translation of levesque's book the Secret Doctrine exerted exerted considerable influence on Early Twentieth Century Germanic thinkers who are obsessed with proving their theories about the primal source of their area. Race we'll talk more about Lewinsky in a bit. The the myth of Aryan supremacy continued to be built by future Nazis or future not to influencers in the decades leading up to World War Two the Austrian Guido von list founded ended in Neo Pagan Movement in the early twentieth century that sought to restore worship of the Nordic God Walton the teutonic counterpart of Odin among the Arians. He espoused the existence of areas affi referring to the wisdom of the areas. There was a push to dethrone the Christian God and replace it with You know replacing Christian guy with Germanic Gods in pre Christian Times. If it ain't airy ain't shit no Vaughn Lewis promoted this belief that areas where the sons and daughters of old pagan gods who were once very real and they produce areas who were capable of a number of magical things that no one else on earth could do like fly around speak via telepathy. If only other inferior races hadn't delivered their powers. The the German people would still be. God's this is seriously the Kinda shit being promoted by people like John Lewis. Gosh Dang asian-african non Aryan Europeans. Why why why did you take my sweet powers? You took my sweet white power power away from me. Gosh Dang recorded twenty three and me. I'm down to eighteen percent German. Even that is mixed with French son of a bitch. I like ten percent Aaron tops. The fucking way. I'M GONNA be able to speak my mind. You know. Fly Round with such shitty amount of Aryan master race route race blood banks. I'm so diluted my ancestors have to sleep with a bunch of fucking dirtbags that Dang there were other equally crazy ideas floating floating around Concerning the origins of the race some of the followers of the German occultist Rudolf Von Sabado DORF founder of the tool society important Nazi ideal idea ideology influence believed that the errands were the remnants of the race of a of a race of white the giants who inhabited the mythical land of hyperbaric or hyperbaric there. You a land made up in Greek mythology all those positive by the way I look at it. My many phonetic translation. I fucking macgyver together. Myself it would not make an intrinsic phonetic kind of Prince -Ation Book. But he worked for me anyway. Hype Hyper Bara. This land made up Greek mythology. Where the God of the North Wind lives perfect gland with son never said slant totally made angry people back when they're making up stories about all those crazy raped God's we talked about back in suck wants to the Greek gods suck An who believes all this weird thule society nonsense who believed in old white power. Giants Roman the earth like monsters and some kind of racist dungeons and dragons campaign. According to Hitler biographer. Ian Kershaw. The Society's membership list reads like a WHO's who of early Nazi sympathizers and leading figures figures in Munich and crazy fool giant talk feels like it could make for the beginnings of a of a new routine for residents comedian Steph Cox curvy if you believe the white man is superior because he descended.
"ignatius donnelly" Discussed on MonsterTalk
"Dumb of -cation of American culture with the classic exemplar of wingnut, ideas, Ignatius Donnelly, author of the eighteen eighty two book, Atlantis, the enter diluvian world while it was play to who gave us the legend of Atlantis. It was Donnelly who turned out the template for all modern variants the lost continent. It was a strange idea. And apparently is enticing as it was wrong, Pierce. She uses a very specific word to describe Donnelly in his ideas, he refers to both as crackpot crackpot is said to come from the word cracked, which means faulty and pot being used as a slang for a person's head. But whether that's right. Or wrong headed the more obvious metaphorical references to that of a ceramic pot with a crack in it on first glance. It looks like a sound vessel. But it simply won't hold. Water. Crackpot idea won't hold water either. But that doesn't matter because it turns out that even the most cracked crackpot idea can hold infinite quantities of belief. This is part one of a two part series on the shaver mysteries. We're going to be talking about the hollow earth, ancient astronauts, Nazis, UFO's comic books science fiction, and much much more. Get ready for a strange trip. He's actually quite unlike anything we've ever seen before. Giant, harry. Ness, a twenty four mile long bottomless lake in the highlands, if the creature known as the Loch Ness, monster. More stir doll. Welcome to monster talk the science show about monsters. I'm Blake Smith. You know, I read our views on, I tunes. And I'm really happy that so many of you have enjoyed the show enough to take a moment to give us a very positive review. But I also take the criticisms to hard as well, one that we get occasionally, and then I'm going to try to address in this two part episode is that when we deep dive into topics that I and my guests. No. Well, we sometimes forget to contextualized all the name, dropping during the interview I tried to augment the show knows with links that will fill in those gaps. But if you find that there's something we mentioned in this show, that you don't recognize her. We don't have a reference to please. Shoot me an Email and I'll add it to the show notes. You can always contact me at Blake at Munster talk dot org. So case in point, the topic of these next to emphasize is the shaver mystery what is the shaver mystery? Well, it's a complicated story, which is why this is such a long coverage. But the nutshell version is that in the nineteen forties. A man. Named Richard shaver wrote about mysterious experiences. He had in when she was receiving information from telepathic evil robots inside the earth. That's right. Shaver believe that evil monsters, lurked inside a hollow worth could influence the lives of us, mere mortal surfaced welders now that may sound like science fiction, but I want to save the really fascinating twists and turns for guests which will come up during these discussions as we've got to returning fan favorites archaeologist, and author the book, spooky, archaeology, Dr Jeb card, and researcher. Dr Jerry Drake who previously joined us to discuss grim wars, and the amazing, Jack Parsons, you can find fascinating episodes, featuring their Whitten wisdom in our archives at monster. Talk.
"ignatius donnelly" Discussed on Conspiracy Theories
"Perhaps no one has had a greater influence on Atlantis conspiracy theories, then Ignatius Donnelly, all of the previous men were accomplished in their fields of study outside of what they had to say about Atlantis. This was not true for agnosio Donnelly in eighteen fifty seven Donnelly and his wife left their home in Pennsylvania to start a cooperative farming community in Minnesota he and his partners built communal homes a hotel and a newspaper office, but that same year a financial panic hit the United States and the new community collapsed before it even got off the ground after that failure Donnelly decided to enter politics after he was elected to congress in eighteen sixty three he became a local supporter of highly unpopular. Ideas, like women's suffrage and abolition ISM his efforts were spectacularly unsuccessful. And in the next election in eighteen sixty nine he was voted out of office. He went back to his failed. Minnesota commune and wrote quote, all my hopes are gone and the future settles down upon me dark and gloomy indeed. And quote, but during his time in Washington DC Donnelly had had accessed the library of congress. He was an avid reader, and by the end of his tenure he had a favorite subject Atlantis in eighteen eighty two. He wrote his book Atlantis the anti diluvian world. It should be mentioned that Jules Verne's novel twenty thousand leagues under the sea came out in eighteen seventy twelve years before Donnelly published his work, and there's a strong likelihood that Donnelly had read it. Twenty thousand leagues under the sea is an adventure story where the characters briefly visit the lost city of Atlantis while it's just a small mention it brought Atlantis back into popular culture. So when Donnelly came out with his book on Atlantis the public was primed to embrace it. In other words, it was clever marketing Donnelly begins his book by boldly. And clearly stating that Plato story about Atlantis should be taken. As fact, he also adamantly states that Atlantis is somewhere near the Americas. Donnelly further describes Atlantis as utopia with an advanced language in technologies and claims that it was the location of the garden of Eden, the explains that the reason most civilizations around the world have a flood story within the annals of their mythology is because all cultures originated from Atlantis the people that survive. The flood left and started cultures in Egypt Europe and Israel Donnelley's the first to use i-in tiff evidence to argue that Atlantis Israel in the early eighteen seventies. The US coastguard had just discovered that the Gulfstream in the North Atlantic flowed in a clockwise circular motion. Scientists had also discovered a large bulk Cannock mountain range under this part of the ocean. Donnelly argued that the mountains were the same ones that had once protected the center of Atlantis the Gulf stream flowed circularly because for so many years it had circled the now sunken island, the impact of Donnelly's book was intense the public absolutely adored it and Donnelly was finally receiving positive attention in the eighteen seventies. A British cabinet member. Even wanted to put together a task force to find Atlantis. The scientific community wasn't quite as on. Board. Donnelly sent a copy to Charles Darwin who responded with scepticism the sort of, hyper diffusion, ISM Donnelly. And his theoretical predecessors..
"ignatius donnelly" Discussed on Stuff You Should Know
"Read like, the triangle, the vacation getaway. No, we're like Britney Spears stayed for free for like a month when they opened try to generate buzz. Wow, I'm sure they're packing them in after that. I think they happen. I don't know. I can't I can't discuss the financial estate of Atlanta's the resort in the Bahamas board. I can discuss is Atlanta's the possibly fictitious place. Yeah. I'm gonna go ahead and go on record as fictitious are you well after reading this. And by the way, this was awesome. That had no idea about the secret surprise that's coming which one will the other place the real place. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Which I meant to ask you before how we pronounce that. But we'll get to that. And I'll let you say, I, okay. But yeah, I'm going gonna say it's victims. And based on that. Okay. I think I kind of go with that too mainly because one of the things about Plato is he was the only person ever mentioned Atlanta's plenty of people have mentioned it after him. But it was based on what he said, right? Which kind of makes you think like, okay is this this is an allegory probably. It's about wickedness. Yeah. What was his book in to us? Yeah. That was the book. Right. Where I mentioned it. Yeah. And it was written in three sixty BC. And to me, it says one of his dialogues, I believe and Plato has the thing where he likes to take real places real people real events, and then just kinda use some literary license. Sure. His philosopher. Okay. Yeah. He was he was not documentarian of real things. Right. But along the way somewhere that idea got lost, right? Right. So for example, Sodom and Gomorrah I would wager that a lot of people think that Sodom and Gomorrah a love those guys something really happened. And it was. It was taken. Eventually it was used as allegory that these people were punished by God. Right. But really, you know, something really bad happened to them. And somebody decided, hey, this is a great great chance to use this as a life lesson for everyone. So there's a really strong possibility that Plato did the same thing because as describes Atlanta's they they had gotten kind of hubristic, I guess it does mimic other things in the bible. And that's for sure it does. And the great God Poseidon who is the God of the sea end of earthquakes decided that he's kind of tired of the people of Atlantis which was the seat of a cult that worshiped him, right? And so he using the techniques at hand sent he he's a I guess created an earthquake that generated as soon NAMI that sunk Atlantis beneath the waves lost forever yet. I think the quote from the book was at sank into the. See in a single day and night of misfortune. Yeah. That's putting it lightly. So and he placed it to me, actually. Yeah. It's where off Spain the pillars of Hercules, which is now called the strait of Gibraltar. And there's people looking in Spain. Now, right. Yeah. Think legitimate right phone AFI day archaeologists, they're fun. Yeah. So so Plato I guess part of the problem is he's he's saying like, yes, this was that the strait of Gibraltar right in his parlance at the time. He saying is that the strategy browser. The problem is is Atlanta's was this magnificent rings city. Yeah. And it had like fantastic technology in architecture. Yeah. And it was just an amazingly advanced place. But he also says that this has happened nine thousand years ago. Right, right. So nine thousand years before him, so they're aliens. Well, that was that is thanks to a guy named Ignatius. Donnelly. Yeah. So this guy so Plato writes about Atlantis goes about his business. Right dies. And apparently, nobody back then took it. Seriously. Don't that's like modern man were the first people to say maybe there wasn't Atlanta's. Yeah. That was a ruins like now, it's just Plato going off again. Right. It was this one guy Ignatius Donnelly, he's the one in lay it all at his feet jerk. Because in eighteen eighty two he published a book called Atlantis they anti-delhi vian world. And in it, he saying, okay, the zoro's is always man, I wish that will not. I think that's right. The islands in the middle of the Atlantic decks, actually, the highest peaks of the highest mountaintops of Atlantis..