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S2 E79: Why you shouldn't watch the impeachment hearings and should watch movies like Ice Station Zebra

The All New Dennis Miller Option

56:35 min | 9 months ago

S2 E79: Why you shouldn't watch the impeachment hearings and should watch movies like Ice Station Zebra

"This is the tennis Miller. Option your source of opinion stories and laughs from comedian and activist. Dennis Miller is Guy Friday Christian black laugh and superstar producer Lindsay floors. And now it's Dennis Miller folks welcome to the Dennis Dennis Miller option. I told this joke Christian. I went fishing the other day caught a catfish or at least that's what it told me. It was on the other hand. And it's new to me but I like what else Christmas season here. The sheer hear my Christmas tree in the family household will be a small discrete. Wi Fi tower the earliest. The new late The the English ambassador's wife was drunk with power driving her steering didn't somebody broaddrick can hit somebody him back awesome. I called it. What I did was took that Hey folks first day of the I'm telling you I'm so out of the political scene. That feels great. I mean really. I know it's hard to you when you hear me say this. I'm not completely outta. Obviously you know look at the headlines and no. Today's the impeachment thing but I haven't watched the second of it nor should you The reason GONNA get trump or they're not gonNA get trump. I don't think they should get trump. I think most right-minded people would say. Wow this country's really changed if they're gonNA throw him out on this before the election which is now what less than a year fifty fifty one weeks. Well what would this take the due to pull off prong fifty weeks the yonder saying I mean if they a green light does really. What's well you know how fast things happen in Washington Dennis? I actually think that they'll finish this after pence's second term. I don't even think anything will happen. I think after the dude yourself a Lotta. These belief systems should have and you'll be happier at the end of the day. Some people it's not. What about being happier but I'm telling? Ignorance is bliss in this case. These people were idiots I assume that if any president's phone calls were tapped tapped tapped by our security community think about That stuff would turn up for. I hope where they're just just being candid with other world leaders and it's all crap I don't think they'll trade trump up and I can't even say that anymore. And if they do do. I don't think there'll be a civil war anything I think. We're all KINDA muted down. I'm saying be muted. Dan blissfully as opposed to this whole thing saying about. I'm GONNA swing in like Alan Swann. At the end of my favorite year in when nobody's doing as a couple people out there way you know out in the suburbs of quarterlane or wherever the separatists live now I hear quarter lanes. Beautify should probably shouldn't pinpoint that place because Dennis Franz is a joint thing he tells me it's lovely but you know in the in the past. I've heard that wherever they're living out test Jefferson's year beyond Mount Rushmore or something GonNa be a couple people bridal if they come for their if if things happen in the democratic takeover and start rounding up guns. Yeah it'll be a couple of blowups But there's not going to be a civil war most people just going to say fuck it. I'm saying go to that position. Fuck it earlier and happier just talking. Now it's crazy that this far down the road it's crazy than anybody takes Adam Schiff seriously or hillary how long been saying Hillary's back again. I think I said that they after the last election. You definitely well. She's going to be back in Mrs all predictable. The only variable Oriole you control is the dog on whether or not you right. Swipe this or left swipe this and I don't even know what that means but I hear the kid said which which were out now which one's the right ones you like. That's the good one okay. Because I don't know either. So that's why she's here but just stop paying attention to it doc and then if you wake up one day and people do you wake up on the in the country. The country isn't what it used to be. It's going to be that again. What do I see is the worst case scenario I don't see Venezuela that's too many rich people here to make cats who liked to get out to the Hamptons on helicopter for the weekend plant softball games with the press are not going to do that? That but it'll be sort of like skin navy and put to be a lot more cheating because we're yeah let's face facts. Americans know how to game ain't things were a little softer than some countries because we can afford to be But as far as flat conflagration no no. That's that's not a job Americans do anymore much like any other. So I'm saying the. What is the endgame for? Everybody Buddy and I've just reached a point where I wanna be happy more days and take care of loved ones and be happy with them and any day. You Watch morons like Adam Schiff with that Popeye. Bullshit of his Lewis is Eyeballs look like Ban Roll on applicators in the Super Super Gravity of the planet Jupiter. He said Guessing Jupiter would have more gravity. There's one of those weird things where it's bigger so it has less gravity it actually only has emotional gravity of the situation. So it's up to you. How tall don't shift Jupiter dog'll saying something food. I'll you're feeling right now. Is Gambles Gambles Dell's we've got kimble's just remember everybody screaming that out in space movies when it starts to shake Campbell this week on Chubby chuck girls on astronaut. She probably rocks the LEME. Come on everybody. KIMBLE's department store so I'm just confused is in Philly early but that's G. M. B. E. L. S. A. G. M. B. L. E. S. hanks with shoutout and Apollo fifty four uh-huh Paulo fifty four. Where are you an old Sitcom Fred Gwynne and Joey? Ross and yeah even. I can fully concede my references. 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I'm always enamored of it because Howard Hughes watched it on a perpetual loop? The last five years life in the special effects are so bad in that. But there's something about the film. I enjoy mentally because it doesn't I think it knows was it so not a great film. But it's kind of fun and Patrick McGowan really can see fucks up rockets and said and listen. I'm a big rock Hudson Fan. Sure not a great actor and a couple of scenes there where you can see that they shoot I'm sure rocks writer dictates. The he gets his reverses last for his shot. You know the over the shoulder Mogollon and all all all rock does is parrot in to a lesser degree. What McGowan is just done and I want you to put another copy on that Bam give me Zebra? They flip if I will not plan put another. It's really quite mortified by but an enjoyable film. All I don't do these people say films to be good to enjoy with them. I don't get that to me. There's so many. How many how many times can you watch a film where a young actor wants to get out of the Vampire Wolf meant thing and it takes a job at a lighthouse doesn't wipe US free year? You're supposed to take it seriously. I would love to watch anything anything happening in the lighthouse. Police say no. Because that's the movie i WanNa Watch By the way Taylor Lautner plays one of the the Iran the baseline huff eventually dashes worthless life on these very upset because she was always team Jacob. No no I was Edward Okay Jay. Which one was team? Jenker Jacob was aware wolf. That's Taylor Lautner Jewish. The where it's team Yaacob awesome team. Schlomo hey look it's a young dashing granpar- Slo Mo please point my no. No no no I mean it Schlomo like that you know bite my neck. sparkley vampire kids can be Batman now. What Robert Pattinson is going to be the next Batman Batman one I mean he could be a good Bruce Wayne dead? Some sort of cosmic thing going on where. We're all sitting up there on a chessboard Olivier. Ralph Richardson playing. The gods you know honor Blackman sees transitioning and Every every compensatory gesture every forward move patents and makes on the Deity Chessboard. Lautner falls else further into the you know. He's he's doing love letters. The Hispanic kid who played burt Reynolds Reynolds driver and boogie nights north. Hollywood Taylor Lautner FILMOGRAPHY IMDB is is a little slim. There's not a lot of air ended like a Biden answer hit. The teeth fell out of date. That's how Biden herniated high sitting out of Inane. Cry Steven One reason vote from. He's smart enough to know how fucked up is see him just dive for those. You know it's Blake. He's been keelhauled or something. He's all fucked up. He comes up for air and they throw line and he just grabs at it by no come up on a time limited debate eight like tarpon off monitoring the peace of the answer because immediately prior to that you know God Gosh Shakes i. I talked to the kids from the film of Picnic at hanging. I was with them that you know. I sometimes think Biden doesn't even exist that he's just a complete elucidation of an essence called Biden. Wow Oh he's tyler durden thoughts about well. That's fight club. You're clever Guy Christian and how's that working out so well actually I'm doing this. Could Tale best line. I know it's so good. Did you say I'm not too. Well do this. Yeah I was just apart apart from the sun does a little harder you know. I love to be cracked around. I wish I could come on. Stays calm with that hand stuff. I'm really taps me in that. He has something important. Ordina say in this Ad. He's been paid for it. Can you imagine an easier. Check the now new way near Gatien plans in North Africa. And then he's wait till the end of the commercial and a comeback and he shuffles has. That's the new way I hi my friend. You'd you'd help me negotiate this last little brittle but I have to be out of show business completely no fucking fresh still a little bit of moisture left in the sponge and I needed to get us at. We've got one hundred sixty volt blow dryer suck it out snap it and push me over through the stargate the wall would you like to Resuscitate with some praise from someone who left a voicemail without You know help us reset as it were. That's all I need to know that I can go from. Here's Showbiz low showbiz. The fuckers on it was common laughing woman is an common a disappointing pollination treatments in the Sudan. That's the way I voice liver to Bob from Arkansas. Your topnotch with me. Dennis a number of years ago my son. Gabriel gave you the brother-in-law backstage tickets to the tour with O'Reilly in Tulsa Oklahoma. After the show about five hundred feet before we got to the door they started warning us about not trying to shake bills hand. We only did fist-bump since. Oh I didn't know what to expect out of you guys when we got in there then you you ran up and hugged us and shook our hands and made me feel so welcome and my sons and I really appreciated that. It really made a difference to me. I've really enjoyed your podcast. And you're brilliant sense of humor and I wanted to thank you so much for Receiving US so hardly backstage. Well thank you for coming. Yeah bill would never shake hands. So He's a guy that's I knew I I would appreciate a fist-bump from Riley. That's all right. I don't need to shake it. I was fine with me but I I always felt cheech because they'd kicked major Pitas to meet us and you don't want to be there fucking hurt locker suit within the freedom to you you know it might take away is there is if you would just go out and saying wait assuming when you posit something unless it's completely rhetorical Oracle which you should market as if you say you want to know you've got a millisecond inside don't because that's just Gimme AH. I don't need much because believe me as soon as I hear. You WanNa know from you. I'm in a minute shot. You don't even give me a shot. Dak 'cause I don't I just wanted to seize the ramp way here we go now. We're into this. I get me into it into it because eh listen. I'm hanging on every half thought might take away from them voicemail. Is that if you would just hug more people we would have more listeners because he you said you hug me it changed my life. I love your podcast now. So go hugs and people Christian can tell you the way my career is laid out. Fifty thousand people would love the hug and fifty eight six search my entire laughing. So there are people spitting into ten things in old western barroom our rooms scenes. That aren't any more on the cusp. Per Door than I am. The main line I mean it could be you mean but the I've my career's broken time. Now it's a Salami and have a nice long career founded might be in its day eight new mall but it's been a nice long run but it's never allowed me to plant the flag. I'm always in fifth camp with a couple of you know now Sharp is I have to pretend to get on with boiling water for the the real buff guys to make the assault always main so you know lots and lots of the dark thing is cramping grease. Don't boil the appleby drinking the I'm not gonNA boiled until the Pentagon we get some cleans. There's enough up here. We're on Mount Everest. I know you don't WanNa only the tent. 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And they're all getting a deal now from sketchers where they have nice suits so then they all wear shoes with white soles. I'll allow you can always tell like Brian. Billick comes is got a nice gray suit on here and then he's got on. Wow I was gonNA say Kip Shoghi. Kenya's track shoes but then I remembered he ran barefoot wasn't a Kanye now that wasn't that was the the The little Ethiopian. See who on the marathon in Rome Chris. Or don't tell me Your name Abebe Bikila grandpar- factor the streets of Rome and Picked up a a really bad bullion as staying so over near the foot But Yeah you can always these are. Maybe maybe I. Maybe I judged Brian Billick poorly here. Maybe he has some sort of a minute favourite injury. Liz Franken it used to A. B. Turf Toe then then they renamed it planter. It's like liberalism Democrat liberal than it went to progressive. It used used to be My foot hurts that want to turf toe then Plantar Fasciitis now. 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I just WanNa thank you for being a man of character and not selling out for you to understand that your politics adversely affected your career and sticking to your guns puts you in the top five percent of not only Hollywood. Probably the one percent there but of of the human rights and the five percent. Sh- things get too bad you can always become a hand model for Grinder Ed's small Chunk look bigger kid him and say I'm offended love. It took them too long to do. Let me tell you about me. Jerking the people on film and he was saying you could be a hand model for Grindr which is a gay dating APP. He said you're tell us something we don't know with me guys. Remember the good old days when grinder up was about hoagies sub sandwiches. Those the I remember I used to order the you five seventy one. Extra conning tower sauce. Hey maybe some of you don't remember remember or understand what Our Name on Iron Butterfly me. It's from what cushion it's from iron which is heavy and butterfly which is light all right. Thanks for the liner out there so i. I didn't know what you meant fire. But what you meant when you said iron that The Butterfly was wrinkled and it was being mistaken for a moth when it was a monarch canoe came in and you iron ended on an ironing board. I thought that was the interpretation wire butterfly. You've nailed it down. It's from iron meaning heavy and butterfly meeting. I I was reading that You know I don't know that we talked about this last week but The the great white very white hope of the Democrats story worry last week Rabat. Our sorry Edward Peanuts. I got two the peanuts hands. Part of the story was just real quickly Leonard was host host and he had to read the porn awards and one of the nominees was Edward Penis hands. Carl no relaxing. Because he was so reluctant at a communion day. tux On and I had to say and Edward Pena Sans and then at one hand opening envelope and saying the winner is we're penis hands uh-huh remember sitting there. Karl Malden laughing. Christ Carl Maldon is knows. Mitch J. P. Morgan's look aquiline. Oh Akwa Going with your question my question is that you know I think we talked last week. That Michael Bloomberg is On the on the verge of running for President and then I saw hold that he would be the top choice for four percent of Democratic primary voters and I was just wondering if that surprises as you at all or is it the fact that it's Democratic primary voters that No number could be surprising in like If a beamer manute Bol mm-hmm if it's if it's Knocking to be trump. The wrestling don't interest me. I'm not saying he's the people always sack-like you think he's Hannibal on a you know pachyderm hidden through Cojuangco Pass but I don't but certainly I've found a Cathartic to watch somebody. It just doesn't give a shit at all about the protocols of what I consider to be bullshit endeavor politics so it's going to go back to the regular bullshit he's might as well be as good a purveyor bullshit. You know Bloomberg might be. Who knows God forbid he might be Adroit at it and in the future people's lissome mighty eighty small shoot for future presidents? Look good. I didn't that was pretty base but thus drian joke I mean may not site base coat there right yeah absolutely. Yeah that's primer color. They're all shy put on every car before they came in with a cherry red so so not a great joke but the good solid right to the ribs joke what I consider to be a fair Luby's price joke again. The very smells awesome small shows to fill us. I'm not saying it's candied but I mean not can dida other Tony Orlando and dawn. They can't mention Tony Orlando without me thinking of the story that your wife hates told her no. I don't think I don't think that's that's that's this iteration of the podcast. So Billy Crystal goes to see Tony Orlando and Tony is in the middle of his crisis years. Let's say I I don't want a dime. It's a good way to those tiny was he was Knocked three times on the nostril twice wasted on the pope's less on the pipe UTADA yellow ribbon. I've been around everything at that point and He goes to see him. Billy Antonio's by singing mack the knife. Ah It's a salute to his friend. Bobby Darin who he met the dream once and will like the late fifties or something now. I think they're backstage in a green room at a Dick Clark Clark show or something and all of a sudden. They're Romulus and Remus so He he sings mack. The knife in the crowd goes bat. Shit because it's a great song. Tony quiets the crowd. Looks Up to the heavens as they hit him with a solo pin spot. And says you hear that bobby my brother that's boom blackout and not nothing like organic Emotion that's been tightly choreographed to me the essence of Showbiz. Or they know what hit the blackout. eight-man Agree Blues Kissed in Heaven and they black they come up with full stage lights. Tony's dabbing ways crying like a Sylvia plath coming to wrap up or summer vacation in Paris back to those monsters and he quiets the crowd and says a. Ah Bobby was my brother. Nothing like setting up a core premise. And then knocking the support. Beams out from under it within the space of eight seconds. He was very brave. He knew he was dying from age. Sixteen on because he had And he starts to flail. Little doesn't remember the Malibu so he does like vague gesture towards his chest cavity and said he had He had that valve thing. Billy City wrote valve thing. Don KNAPP. 'cause I knew it was important. Aw Pass it on to me and others got that makes me want to me. That's the that is the essence. The purest distillation of show business right there lot of heartfelt emotion. Very little information and it's going up the taken the malady that has taken his best friend's life and not only couldn't get a name on it. Reduced Don Vega sees the ended up in dawn was on there yet. Don The state predom- oddly the bed. The two backup singers named Don. We're not there then but Dawn was trying to think of another dawn. All I could come up with was don the snake prudhomme Ho don hope. So you're getting mixed up as Dennis calling dawn hose. Yeah that's the world we live Christie magic on that tepid grenade minor minor insolvable all women who sang. 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You tell me what you're about this man let me ask you sure do it right out out in the open because there are no secrets missing are so Mike von are posse. Mike Fires who was on the Astros team that won the world. They gotta remember it. Nascar right back at you. Can you just give me a when you see spot. Run thing sure. The Astros were stealing signs electronic Christian. What about this one? See the astros were dealing wing signs. have no this story a little land some color at here during the two thousand seventeen championship run body. Not Bobby who was it. WHO said that's that's where by the way that's what you sound like me everyday that we zep audience? What do you think what do you think it's like Jimmy Olsen Ulsan nitrous or something What do you make of the Christian? I think everybody knew that they were cheating. I mean they had somebody kicked out of Fenway Park last year and Because they were conveying some elaborate sign stealing process and then they never won a game again in those playoffs. After they got kicked. Out of fenway. So I think everybody knew that this was happening. And and for someone with the Astros Great Participate. Yeah you're better when you steal signs though. Don't you think they still i. I mean really. How riding teams are there? There's thirty and I bet like two hundred of them can't afford to steal signs because you know money but I'd say that the most of them to some extent sure they all do and they're just some really i. I would say that the order of who steal signs best is directly coordinated to the standings. I don't think that's fair like the last placed team or the people who are bad. It's still like science is very infrequently. You'll have a last place team. That is the best team stealing it has happened. I'm sure With the mets but Were Very Adroit. I remember I remember when city field game once and I looked into the scoreboard aboard out there and there was a blank spot. Where oh usually isn't i? Sob cumberbatch is character from a nickname was out there with pure field classes stealing signs code one that one did they turn the code thing over Christian. I asked. This is all seriousness. I'm here one that they turn code breaking over to closeted gay British men from the Indians. Indians used weren't orange. The Indians in charge of law code breaking right but they those movie about the Indians in the Memphis Belle. On the Indian in the cupboard. Yeah and we would get their information. Codename the borrowers. Well I have an important voicemails voicemail. Play free voicemail. Number twelve show Biz call and hate. You mentioned Steve Gutenberg on the show the other day with Gene Simmons. I I was just saying you have his number. Just give me a call. Thanks Fact Kim To my Gutenberg Bible see autographed or So God created woman and then I worked out so it could score with her. The first entry in the Bible no I don't but I have HAVE HE JOE PISCOPO trainer Huntington that they were both working out his name. Is Billy Belco. I'll tell them double be over the weekend. There was a fire on the Yeah Warner brothers lot and they told everybody evacuate. Yeah except they film it and did the Myron cells like bring Young Vivian lead to the set to said. Here's your scarlet. Little Souls Nova everybody everybody evacuated except Clint Eastwood was like No. I've I've got a lot of work to do so They they were telling everyone to evacuate but Clint Eastwood refused and continued working on whatever he was in the cool right until the moment the fire gets. Yeah but didn't get that I mean there's a very inside chance for life that's so mentally eventually lived in they. 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Listen if you're Asian out during you hear something like that and can't cannot get it the fuck together right I think so. That's what's happened to the world right now. Christ I mean were emotional haemophiliacs the listen if you're Asian out there and this is fucking you up something like that. Thank you brothers Call in because I want to Co host our with. I'm serious serious Asian. Oh no I'll know you'll know Hav now just say a few words to me and I'll know is that racist that I could be hip to Nasiadka. Wanted for you not to go. I'm and I was thinking back to you. And you talk about China here please Somebody start a movement fucking begging you a Hashtag canceled. Dennis is that she needs to be out there. Where are you what else? It's crushed while you were talking about Chinese people can't get out of bed and the only had cataract surgery. No no no. I'm sure it's coming. The Kwok brothers song cataracts cataracts this week. 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LYOF Podcast: Diet changes for Ironman Performance with Darren, a LYOF Gold Client.

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LYOF Podcast: Diet changes for Ironman Performance with Darren, a LYOF Gold Client.

"In Boca cost hosts Jacobs today. And I am interviewing Darren Toy. One of my coaching clients With these interview in Darren we cover a lot about how he's being low cost of several years. He was still carrying excess weight and experiencing bloating which had about the changes. We've made that helped him lose. The white feel the best in decades and love the food that he is aiding as well as the experiences of cooking the. Food Darren Rice Busselton Twenty. Nineteen it was. He's rice several on man's previously. But that rice he felt fantastic to spot. Traveling AWAKES WORK. Which had about how he managed. That travel accepted what he couldn't couldn't get done and still had an enjoyable rice to spot far from ideal preparation. His trigger phase is process that he used during the rice. Forgive forget and focus. We chat about that throughout. Darren begins by telling about himself his job and he's trough loan past experiences both the good and the funny after the Chat. I analyze what we talked about and give you some practical recommendations for you to take away and ideas. That might help you so. Don't miss that at the end. You enjoy this chat with Darrin towing charge. Autism General Manager of our company in the morning rental And pretty much muscle life of being involved in morning Then that's pretty much our got started on cab. White backing bet. Two dozen Livan Africa in Kenya and Tanzania Quite a number of African guys on saw that I was working And introduced me to some of the readings and podcasts accenture from t Knox So I got my hands on the real revolution which is my first real book that I read and Hope Davis seats from that point on Dos Since two dozen eleven you've done a few on man's yes ten limiting titles Sort of a a bit of an addiction sodded off the sport nine enjoy the jeered side of it and the like how things which very very well full endurance sport. Yes I am. One of those races you took in chase sticks and green tea in Melvin on men A few years back was a elwin backing to doesn't sustain very much doing banting visiting mark stuff at the time Trialing Chase seeks mine. Jill sauce for the fat and for the majority of Tom was great because fat. He didn't require anything else. A little bit of green safer fluent makes the Thais dot probably more than anything then just drinking water over on And successfully completed in sort of hi. Tina arms several. You contacted me. You told me the story about that but said it wasn't necessarily the best approach and I'm on the I would you know help. You refine your approach with nutrition in the rice. Oat Wasn't having Hot Soggy chased after that was two thousand and I aim new-zealand and knowing candidate very died. And that's exactly what I got and hall of Sunny Is Comfort as she seeks. The WHO've been sitting down old I am I bet. Yeah and I think we came up with a fairly good plan but in between Then which was three or four months ago now You've you do a lot of traveling for work so the demands on you physically And fatiguing obviously aelon travel is fatiguing itself but being I'm not being able to fit in the training then you kind of set yourself back doubly so have you sort of manage that you've got a personality that really likes to you know you really get the training. Don If you've got if you're not falling asleep at the wheel basically you you get the training in So have you sort of managed that travel and demands to get sessions in on a case to plan in advance pitches wear ongoing can done research with his. Olo Now. I can go wrong all busy. Gene were jump on a skin boy once I used to always travel with my by some of the remote like high school or go to now. That's not as easy so I can't take my walk anywhere and it's typically running swimming when I travel or the odd Spin Bark. You fucking get online. I mean you were just like it was only two weeks out from on. Busselton they see when you go home from nearly two weeks away in North America So it ended up being a bit of a run run blocking in freezing cold conditions. A lot of a lot of it was just game so lot of sort of detrimental imports bang. You know no warmth Nice on in the gym and didn't have your total you sort of the that and what we made the mice. We did some really good long runs on the treadmill and and just try to fit. It inbetween. Always traveled is. It was tough Because was doing is technically the driving little meetings all day and then typically at the end of the jump tent lots twelve diets so it wasn't a lot of time in the evening or during the day to do any training literally jumping on a treadmill in the mowing because because majority of the trip it was anywhere between ten and on his twenty th focus. Nice I you your running yet. So is And then I got one weekends. Were really good gym. That had twenty Matoco was I had two days of swimming clown but outside of that it was just treat remotely in and then occasionally if I had an evening where I wasn't on applying another station near as well. Yeah Pretty Pretty Amazing. In two weeks that was just two weeks out from Vessels on when you go home and couple of couple of rods for Waco so and then travel either to Busselton which is a is a fairly big day of traveling itself to Subject to that two months ago the so you're about eighty six kilos or something And you go to. You've been high fat low carb for for many many years but was still carrying like a bit of excess weight. That wasn't shifting really Even though training was starting to get a bit more consistent in that period And then you actually go to stomach bug and At that point I sorta. You're still trying to get in coconut cream and protein pat. I'm just trying to get calories backing and I just sort of said just donate unless you're really hungry white until the guts. Happy to eight and when you do eight go full a bind broth or even better. Maybe just a steak because buying broth could be histamine if it's not fresh Which could be an issue inflammation as well so you go back into steak first off and left everything else behind and never looked back on it. It's been an amazing Roy that jumped on the scales this morning. Just as a checking the city out travel at since man and I'll be back in seventy one Feeling the Best I've ever felt and this was the first automated ten plus the dog down that I've never had any issues or the naked cowboy the night before the morning and worry that when I was going to get one x cavs them. The bar in Iran was really good. Yeah so we'll just through training so you basically you became carnival. So you log COBB ANYWAY. But now you're just you know you know having a green smoothie you know having a coconut cream looking extra calories you would just aiding what was available And basically that was just the mate that you could find in the supermarket at the cafeteria or special slow cooked. Brisket Heim Will you ever found that you were wanting the energy oil hunger or any of that? I got because those calculations on him I needed to satisfy what do need you know because I was one of the unknown things. Much like the quantity on that three grand person bony white would really well and it was actually quite satisfying. Initially anything. I had a bit of fatigue was probably just tired but once I got three. It was the opposite. I was more alert slash actually slips better than a sykes and everything dispelling price. That's too easy And then a part of that though was at some of the fact that you were consuming as we said coconut cream Olive oil. I mean it's it's so cold people think it's healthy but at the end of the day still can be processed. It's still a very high mount of fat. Shurmur a location. That's a long way from where we live. The olive oil can oxidizer beat. So we we get all these other factors that are not local. Fresh foods that you know would be found in abundance for from our ancestors so you got into the May and then it was sort of like well. What are you gonNA have leading into the rice and Sir Toga sorry that you mindset you. You went came to change anything really. Before the rice-eating introduce eggs official said pre-race tell us what you had. Basically the day before so ninety four probably had one hundred brands of meets meets over rapists Had spent a two hundred and fifty grand stike launch an probably had about four hundred brands of anonymous type. That you know Just trying to be very simple on southbound head and I guess we are staying as well. I didn't have the coaching facilities in the slow cooker in the hearing any any better than that. But that's not bad because like you said it's what you knew. It's what you've been having every day and you knew it wasn't going to be any issue And then in training to the to get away from chase sticks and green tea we would trialing a bit of everything in in training as we said it was somewhat limited in some of the sessions. Because you were away for two weeks without a bike but we managed to do enough sessions where you're able to trial walk. It was that helped you feel at gauge alertness. Which is energy is just the Brian you know. The the central governor theory is if you brines happy then you're going to be happy hints when you mentioned the Green Tea from years ago so that changing slaves. Oh I mean that's just keeping the Brian Happy And so that's what we were coming for. What what's GonNa give you alertness but also tastes and satisfy and so we tested quite a few things and you found that. The Kato Salts that you were using which has A bit of a maino acids potassium. It's got the Kedar Salts in chloride as well. They had a good mixture of salts and minerals and amino acids and had a bit of a flavor as well which would have given a key to just your taste buds so in training you found that that was the thing that really pumps you up on the block you found that. Kathleen didn't do much training And we made a plan was pretty much along that a bottle of water and salt and then a bottle of the Cato salts and you did put in some dextrose in that one as well on so that was about to ended up with a two percent mixture of carbohydrates from the dextrose. So that just worked at was feeling great in in training and the plan was that was sort of last two one bottle if that would last week basically almost two hours one of the start and with a bottle of water switching out. That's two bottles for the first half of the bike and then more ESPECI- same at special needs but as it was it was a really cold really really hot dry and you'd frozen drinks when you go to special needs into the start of the bikes won't special needs it was called and just was so delicious having something called you you just nicked it within ten fifteen minutes. The backs is it Atas. We'd claimed because I'm in training obviously along my training or on the train which lean saw it and was very controlled barn where special needs in the cessation of heck hold on what's going on with right. It just felt so good. I just kept pushing down the released to sort of their way to. Because of the finale raising wasn't required the energy was just the the real calmness drink might such a difference too. Yep which is why we froze because we knew that that was going to be a k factor of just staying cool. Any opportunity was gonNA give you more energy. I guess in a way towards the end because you're not gonNA have as much fatigue on the nervous system if you can cape hot right down a couple of bates because it's cooling more efficiently But at the same time there's a there's a lot of funny things that have not proven. There's no evidence either one way or the other really but bang on a really low carb. Diet your your body just seems to do more with less so the fact that you will obviously with carbohydrates it can do more with less. That's proven if you adapted but I'm talking about like salts fluid and those sorts of factors that even though you'd necked everything can it went down quickly You felt fun at no point. Did you cramp you didn't Fatigue Muscular Wise. And you more than you had more than enough salt. Even though it was a really stinking died and the body felt good. Is that how you perceive the body seems? Obviously you consult Lord. There's some evidence to salt loading But yeah you're requirements of everything on the day of a less absolutely? I mean on wasn't anything on that day was cold. Fluid gunned down. What's right for this inside Shen Not to fuel mean any otherwise. Like I wasn't feeling hungry yielded deprived of food or energy in your name. You have respect It was just a really really dying. I guess if you look at any of the fight over salt actually came out of me That was the cash needed anything that was required and then unlucky in training. You found on rice. Die That when you had one hundred milligrams of caffeine was that at whereabouts was that but you really felt a kick took a hundred milligrams of caffeine in one hundred and forty on the box in. I took that more because I was having some back specimen Krantz on which are attributed to different positioning or wetsuit. Swim with the reason not In those is harvey it was GonNa help alleviate paying more than anything else but actually at that Pony Tommy g give me affair. King just turned on systems in a lot more payloads that lost forty case to finish very strong. Yeah Yeah there's a Lotta effect as you the the back spasms as we said potentially from the wetsuit but then there's also the You know all that travel that you did for two weeks. I'm in your different times on. You're getting different input from food. You're getting different information from lot. Temperature seating along travel so much stress on the body that he's producing different information. and import It could have just been as well as that. Just that the the cells would just still stress from all of that travel that you've done And even as we said the Florida of Busselton now easy flaw headed over there on the Thursday run. The race was on Sunday Sunday yet. So travel all day Thursday. You've only got sort of two days one day to loosen up a bit. One data rack the block and rest in its game on So yeah those sort of things is is what will be trying to just mitigate a little bit 'cause you're next goals on men cans so It'll be it'll be good to build on what was done here. And what you've learned and take it into cans with so much more knowledge and now as as we said just where we started recording yet. You've had now that you've rice is not imminent you've reintroduced eggs and we're GONNA Rangers fishes will because all mussels oysters. Whatever it that. You want some seafood. 'cause WE REALLY WANNA make sure that we're bumping up the CAYENNE. I mean unless you aiding lamb's brains every couple of every few days off and on and on I probably have them maybe once a fortnight but the day I giant fish yet seems to be crucial as well to the function of the cells so I think range reduction of some things could potentially make you even even more powerful and healthy but a big thing for you was always sleep as well which is obviously a huge motto quadrille stress. If you don't get debate early So what have you learned about the the impact of sleep and getting home light from work and trying to try and light? I mean that's probably one of the learnings throughout the whole process when I mean sometimes as you know Coming home from work and literally falling asleep thing trying to catch a train and just eating a whole for myself. Become more sleekness Where what are alleged to be stressed much about that. You know they won't stations. You can hear them promptly and make sure that you get your sleep trial guilty doing decisions to attain eleven o'clock embiid naught some phones justification in. What would happen is the sessions following? That in the next couple of days would suffer as a result. Because I didn't sleep very well at night. And it's slowly caught up with me. And yet the impact of community yet impacts could be wakes of that Losing Circadian Rhythm. With one light not that could potentially be really bad. I mean unless you're unless you're in the unless you down there in the dock with just a red globe and you know no no other blue light which you know potentially as an option Superior that really want to buy a hack the slate that get the training in That's one one option so we kinda came up with this new role for the new new training. Which you've you've bounced you. You've recovered silo from Boston. You running back a few days later Ten or eleven case just three or four days lighter and and now you know brought into the training so the new rule we kinda came up with basically if it's not a commute home from work the running a rotting that you're not going to bother training it once you get home at seven thirty at not and you wrecked this. No point trying to feeding DNA food. Prep maybe for the next day and a session You better off getting good circadian rhythm getting to bed on time and making sure that you now the next morning session and potentially then you can fit in lunch and evening the next day As best you can. Because you'll feel good because I think that's a big big concept is energy and a lot of the people that I'm listening to and learning it it's the motto Conrail Energy and so if the monarch Andrea healthy with Katie and rhythm with information from food and information from our emotions. That's where our energy production is those batteries in our body so it's crucial that were looking after the battery and not worrying about just trying to exhaust the battery with trying to get fit but Yeah it's it's been it's been really cool All that wavelength in the last few months and everything would trial has basically worked. We've got to and yet. We're not saying everyone that they need to be comparable but just going how you felt to this point. What a what a things that if you were to look at. Let's say besides eggs and fish or let's say seafood any seafood. Other things that you've you feel you want to introduce you still having you're still having some coffee and I still have coffee a day. Use that as a pre workout. If I'm doing a top session especially starting very early. Because he pointed bikes me off a little bit as well. Sit An average sensation. Murad I made that Roy seventy morning of an and that's an Oslo blacks very before mom and an accrediting more again. It's a great city. I probably because I had so much more than typically. It's all just for different flight up than anything for the top spots two weeks down a little bit like a cell phone of the side-stream Sparkling water counted again. Just purely lemon juice to just makes up tight Assess for more than enough yet. And you did you kept up Supplementation WITH MAGNESIUM. Yes Sir taking data. You May Zimbabwe through An evening meal mom and that's pretty much everything over a little bit was tiny with a slight down. The timing of that and everything else would have died as well. So anything else you want to add about And your monster. Obviously you've done you've done ten on man's so you had a pretty good mindset but anything that you've implemented in the last few months that you know I I might have passed on as Dana K. That has that has stock in. Your mind is a phrase or something particularly you've worked with This free that also come to the realization of I. Guess that you'd have you'd have a post post on ends well to fall on an inch. It was just a relaxed on an interracial. You know if I got yes Because you know it wasn't my first name on your nuisance wasn't the initiator overweight inside that if any tension or stress in Chilean gray said in in like what you've mentioned in a lot of y'all podcasts city doesn't throw rice where you start in straight-sets into this war stretch whatever gets Mahjong. These tenants he's coach Says the May Have the protocol? Three S say Netflix. You had a bad points or something you can give yourself you forget about it and then you fight us on the next point and Mary similar. That's good and then you just in mind is clear in your seats. Added to that pice. Doing the rice is just trust. Trust now you done the training and again Nutricia was Kafer me. Fossil's was when experimentally trout. And mentally telling yourself that you die where walking stressed even. If you've already said that you didn't they two don't deny that you've done it you try and done it. Just trust your instincts that you can vote as we said trusting. The body will do what it needs to do to produce energy. If you've got the Monde Stimulation like the alertness to to get the body to trigger And that's just such a big thing that happens when you do do a lot more lacob you just you trust your body to Cape going because the energy is always going to run out of fat. It's all just coming from the MON and we didn't. We're very quickly touch on the run. Because he did similar on the runway you had the call bottles and basically drank them at the Stott halfway and the rest of the time. You just need to sips of Simpson. Brinson spits of coke and that was about to him in water trying to save our or anything else. Did Everything -plicitly. You'd mentioned to me something that you've done previously try but in the end always just doing took a capital border of campus water into the US. What was left in the account of tonight? Oh myself at the beginning of the the ice station a drink. The water has been through. The I'd station and then go to the end of the ice station reminding are putting it on my head and hit it off again Religiously every single night station and that was it and got through forty two K. Comfortably on a very hot day and way you backwards really spasms But that since then you've pulled out well and everything's good and back into training wants food that's unreal and busy at work. So is it any other points. You'd like to add Thirty one or otherwise. I'll let you can let you get back to work now. I think Was was on. Your eliminating old is over thirds that you know The fact that zoning and really fighting on probably got too paranoid on being fat as you mentioned you know. Praise and NC tea oil is adding to that as well And on the Vinson faces. But you really get enough natural fats. When you proper healthy clean food you don't need to talk about all these And as I get more and more into the soya level and it's it's some pretty far out stuff. I guess it's about the energy but I mean the energy of processed oil like mcat and all of these things. It's going to give too much positive charge. Which is the reverse of what we get when my grounding to the earth or when we're doing a meditation or something like that we're getting the negative charge seems to have body In clean fresh air and local food. That's fresh So he's one of those things trying to balance the charges and potentially those processed foods coming to our body with a lot of closets charge and That just makes out sells really out of balances will also the green smoothies. You were having you having them daily. You actually failing breakfast. Every single dying cows Phoenix that you actually felt pretty bloated off though it's anyway As always we often cited everyone those raw spinach and Kales can be just so haunt oxalates and Lipton's and sign much fiber and all these things. It's just a big sort of toxic heat for a guy that It's a lot to handle in a rule fall. So yeah cutting that add some been great and it's been awesome to discuss progress and will vote a making you even stronger. Strongest very foods stronger through of the energy balance techniques and food and slave and things that we can incorporate and Get get some more hacking and on the way to Kansas. Absolutely there's just so much low hanging fruit that you just have a look. I mean I think we've done anything that's crazy. It's not impo very women. The anything that probably fan the highest prices is just planning a little bit more with the third because out of orange or money down the rate meet up until the end was just planning during pre cooking food for the next dying or but especially for lunch because to go and get ready for launch as accessible as -Tino or override which artfully. Now you know as back in lazy of it. That was probably the only thing that was very hard to be structured into. We're always gotTA GET Murphy Brown. But it's worth because. Thais side good slowly it's been like a little keeping started. It really has preceding right rate every night to And you don't have dairy now. I mean occasionally what have I mean very occasionally like once every couple of weeks small piece at cheese family of cutting a block of cheese crackers or something just steal a block of cheese off? Get at sort of that. Now whether you're an old yeah unreal. Very interesting that's awesome. I'm sure everyone's going to get out of this and I hate to questions. Thank you very much for sharing your loss or your whole life with this. Look forward to chatting more and hopefully have a good station this off tonight. June I look forward to continuing. Thanks so much for taking the time down really appreciate it. Moore's paid thinking. Kate catch that. She's so just wanted to recap some of the Kate. Tyco is from this. And that is that Dan was experiencing blurting. He's gotten close by aiding a lot of role grains which aren't recommended of Kale and spinach in high quantities. Then he went carnival which can really help hill papers guts and give it a really good cleanse. You're basically getting rid of all those inflammatory toxins from the plants and going back to really nutrient dense real food so good quality fats. Good Quality Proteins. And from that he's got was then able to handle comfortably the dextrose that we used on race day another point to take note of is that even though. Darin was aiding everybody most would concede I a healthy dot. He was still fifteen kilos heavier than he would like to be. And he didn't feel amazing he wasn't even sleeping. Well and sleep is such a good indicator of your cells happy with what your the input that you're giving them whether it be through lot and circadian rhythm whether it be for the Food and the inflammation whether it be through other factors of combining stress or just maybe it's macro nutrient levels as well. Maybe it's too much fat. Not Enough Protein. What your body wants is easy to find when you go back to completely natural foods so whatever that may bay if you just cut out the processed foods and that includes you know to some degree the process fats that Batas the coconut crabs the olive oils. If you find that you're relying on those things a lot in your dot then. It's probably time that you just try to cut them out and find those sources for more naturally occurring sources balanced with the proteins where they come so meat fish eggs and see how you feel because that is how we evolve millions of years in that sense that we didn't have high production of these fatty products so I cut processed food. That's easy but next off. If you're still not where you want to be really focus on your slate patents. That's a really big ones so the stress of blue light at not will really throw out your hormones and that could just be in itself. It might have nothing to do with thought. It might just be that you hormones out of whack. Because you're not getting good indications from a strong Circadian Rhythm and the other case for that is to get morning sun line so going to bed without blue light is great but if you then stain bed never go or just never leave you. Try and in the basement. You never say the sunlight. Your body's not getting the opposite of this Sake Haidian Rhythm signal that morning on than daytime. Then it's offering time so the UVA spectrum changes throughout the day so and the color spectrum so you really can tell your body. What Thomas Diabetes boss saying the Sun so think about that so it may be food might not be the issue it might be much more around the your circadian rhythm of your hormones so think about that otherwise. Try those things that we've mentioned about food and Darren's very good at having the right mindset to nor that energy is not coming from food he doesn't get any cravings he's not wanting for dopamine hit so I mean he's incredibly unique to that point where he doesn't want for that door from Maine heat from anything really like nanny of The Times. That were spiking all he wants. Is that coffee for something different? And that slot bit of stimulation of his brain at some point. But he's not craving any certainly can go without a he's not living for that drive main hit from food he definitely enjoys food. He he's smokes. He's mate you know every week And he's got these huge smoker and it is delicious trod some of it and he's got a real passion for food and cooking but it's not something that he craves for that energy hit 'cause he understands that energy doesn't come from eating more food or having a sugary main hit so that model. So it's it's easy if is unable to cut down on the carbohydrates quicker than it is for other people other people. You want to go that route then you might need to slowly change your aiding habits and you're eating stalls Darren's Bain Low carb for many many years for several years so Fahim his body was well fat adapted but it wasn't producing the energy. He still had a few things. Just add a wack. That wasn't Balancing his his hormonal system. Where wanted today? So there's so many factors and so many layers that we just don't WanNa pick one thing inside. This is the one thing that works these person. Then it's GonNa work for these person and everybody else. There's so many factors we just wanted to talk about. What works for Darren and it potentially could work for somebody out there. So hopefully you've gotten something out of this or food for thought or something to go. Investigate yourself further. That's always trying to do so. We're really looking forward to more stories for more of our clients along the lines of Darren's Because you know it's such an interesting way learn so much from talking to clients and getting an insight into what makes them tick and as we also heard from the mindset of the United. Forgive forget and focus the three FS. That's an amazing quick little thing that you can do for yourself. And that's what I've done for many years without using those words doing training and that's what I did in a rice when I get to a night station or when in training when I needed to stop for a drink because getting to taints and Mahatma it was getting to haw quick stop for a drink walk the ice station and then that's what I was doing. Mentally just hitting the reset button mentally physically forgetting everything being completely in the moment and starting again fresh. So that's the way that forget starts. Forget everything you've done in the past and start again fresh and focus on one step at a time this moment. Just focus on this moment so brilliant analogy that we can all use the three FS. Forgive yourself forget what happened and focus on what is now the next step so brilliant. Hope you've gotten a lot out of it as well and thanks for listening. Doesn't other desire to live your own podcast. I'm your host pay Jacobs and we're GONNA be back very soon with Jamie. 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The Band: A History - Interview with Garth Hudson

Pantheon

23:33 min | 2 weeks ago

The Band: A History - Interview with Garth Hudson

"Welcome to the Banda history. This week we have a very special piece of content and I'm GONNA. Give you guys. This is an interview. I conducted with the magnificent garth Hudson a few years back. I don't think he really needs an introduction, but garth Hudson is probably the most underrated part of the band, most likely the most important member of the ban and somebody that we still have here to cherish from the band. It was a pleasure a few years back when I got to interview him. Now some context on the interview I was working on a project richer manual at the time. So most of the interview is recounting darts experiences with Richard Dairy some general ban talk. Some stuff about Garth, but it was mainly about Richard. Additionally for many years Garth has been known. By a lot of people as reclusive or giving a lot of interviews. In the interviews that. He does give certain. Individuals have commented on the fact that he's not a good interview. This has persisted especially since the last waltz. That conversation has been renewed with his non-participation. In once brothers, the thing that we have to understand about garth. Is that garth lives? In his own particular world, and to give you some context here. we set up an interview time with Garth. He was being inducted into the London Music Hall of fame, and he was making an appearance and performance there and we had set up an interview late morning early afternoon we had set up. We were doing video and audio and he didn't show up. We waited for six hours before he finally arrived so that goes to show you that garth does things on his own now that's not necessarily a bad thing, but he can be can be a subject interview. We had a sat series of questions that I was hoping to ask him, and he does answer quite a few of them, but additionally he he likes to go off on his own different stories. Stories and things like that, so it's it's very hard to keep garth on track, but one of the most brilliant things about that is. There's a bunch of things that you don't ask him that. He just tells you. And like. Wow, that's that's cool information so All of the things that normal interviewer would get frustrated with they processed, but you get all these little unique gems out of interview like this. And the last note before I show you the interviews because garth was so late, the room beside US had filled with a bunch of people that were waiting. For the ceremonies to begin gas and other individuals, so there was quite a bit of noise that we couldn't control. But what we did was we tried to do as much imposed here to minimize the noise and guys. It was back so we try to really make sure that you could all here. Garth first and foremost and I've overdubbed my questions. The original questions I asked. I've overdubbed with new reporting, so you can clearly hear the questions. So without further ADO, this is my interview with Arthur. What have you been up to lately? Geel. In a row. and. They're doing the line Schwab. With Neat Museum musicians, and they're all excellent. The head through the feed and so on. and John Time conducting edge. He did in the original. Production Show I. Told John You know, we want to leave New Zealand. Best friends with the piano player. Layers. Best friend with the. Sound reversed. Technical people. With, piano players on. We'll listen again or I will send. What ice? Station listen to regarding. Richard's work which goes on through all of those? Almost every song. Recall, energy in energy players and a half talk. Voice. He's a fine line sharing. His Way. Back. Few, listen very closely. It's that his rhythms. Argumentation Soho. Nude work patterns in. Grace notes. One name is. Push Beach. With the Ron. And Show you have to listen and I will do that again. Copies of, little sections. Showing. Her sure did what made Richard a different type of pianist? Unlike anybody else. That I have heard Jim Masheder. Energy Liar. Send. Sean focal point going into A. Group that you know. You've heard to play a little bit. You would get together with the piano player and say on. Their few spots each that should be looked at but. Should we all gather in the booth in the control, room. Listening for that. One, history the piano. the players should also. Action to you very good. Nowhere. Can Induce style. And Energy. To the performing song. There are spots where. Be New now. Richard was a crucial element to the band's sound. Take him away. And how different would the sound have been? Knowing bettern Richard Manual in the world at that time. Of the ban, Shaolin Okay sound if it doesn't have his. It's. For other guys. He was a union player has. Jackson's dynamic as far as vocals but also. Complimented everyone on stage. Vis consisted energy style. We could brain. Four hundred words. More to add to that chapter back certainly. Put Your on. Mission to. Your manual as you guys through the. Temple? With. Choosing the sample and maintaining chambal. How did that work in conjunction with CEO? Leave on hell. Leave on hell, so Richard was his favorite drummer. Richard will pick up the drums. Unorthodox style house. He played backwards. I think. Some of the time. And it's. What is the? Word for. Drummer. Gene crew of We listen to richer and take all much. With Richard, also sitting behind the kids sometimes, how did leave on him Richard Approach? Who's going to tackle a certain song? Shirt. Sticks. and. Lee Courage Jim the play. No and they flew together in. His driveway wow. For my wish for. December the. Dissemination of information should. On behalf of the band. I would look for. Maybe off happy TRAUM has. Videos. Happy Traum. Company? Instruction videotape. homespun tapes. We have to go to him quick. By the. Works near Woodstock into warehouse spokesman. Of. All, instruments. What I walked shook him dividing for me is. Richard Richard Manual paying jobs. Yvonne and Give a little. Short, lesson and The back and forth. Techniques. Budge. And maybe somewhere some forty would be. Sean. Somewhere A. Video! Of virtual playing. Himself, that'd, be. Take your meetings something with other players the rest of the band. Played at various. People. From around the world. But remember Leland shed. Richard Daniel, my favorite drummer. And you'd think well. He didn't pick cozy Cole or David David tough or Louis Dolphin or droop earth. Day the Khantun for everyday. Infrastructure again and say this guy. Great Purdie. One Filippini excellent. Back whole. Era Their age sound. And we were around. We heard, but. Know my favorite. Is Richardson. That's incredible. Richard had such a unique style and it was very loose. Look at Rag Mama Rag for example shop to me and you to look for other examples. We didn't bring. You something you'll be tempted as. Studio performer. We would be championed loop. loopy meet peak. At. Complete that was put on into. And you have drum as a piece. I will do that. Is Not. Something You'd immune last. Rheinische Three Days. was from time to time. Isolating his drunk their other players. I like to have. Josh, what did? Go over! I would and or have people come in help? Over job. which goes good with our? Do, you have a favorite Richard performance or one that people should really check out. Recommend that everybody listened through his. Record. A hitch it recording districts in pick their favorites I attract Malcolm and. For vocal. Manual int Oh. Georgia. Ohio the festival fresh. You'll see Richard Rick. Nash. Wanted to leave on always. Our for? Stars. Richard? ESTELA EXPRESSION! They. Tell. US quite a movie. which is great, they're. Walls. Would ever eat it. We should search. Listen through Shale jail jail. Evaluate Shush. Own! Word. You're doing that. BECAUSE WE'RE! What we're getting ready shortly, bash on. Social acted. Compilation. Richard Name. Voltage I'm I'm willing to? foreshocks I've shonky. Give it to. The music thing. Or down performer. Here phone J-. Writers rain. A words you. Wake sufficient Peter Approach. I think that was written with the big time. Big Time Sean big time you. Romney speaking of Ronnie Hawkins. What do you think Hawkins saw in a teenage Richard? Lugar footage of Richard With Ronnie. So. Richard Good. Rock players wow. Now we're getting somewhere Stuff to. Me and you so demere card. Give me a card. I mean come up with some thing which is. As extraordinary. She uttered. Of Radio Rain. Pretty good. And Lou Festival Express. Song and verse album. Him Sheri. Graduation, day! Eight eight number one. The Dylan Sean. What was it like recording that first album? Treatment for a first time. There we are in Chapel records studio. Was the deal has been made. Right out of the tournament? Truck. Down the street and. Capitol Records Studio. Issued Florence letter written worthy. NOPE, right there. What year! We'll have to write that down. The DIG. Even you know you could show very dishes. Every way together for. The first capital recording. Cheers. Like. Shane That's all for more. Let's look at Jim. Screw what? And another. Initial help in. Attempt to. Improve or Drew our own version. Style do you remember any of your earliest memories of Richard Playing? What? Actors! and Richard joining with Ryan. Deiss think rick. No Me Rick searched and then Richard a month or two. And then I. Joined up with Ryan and. I remember the. China nation. I think you'll hear. Who Hear. Later. Observed, manifestations. Every was. As a personality. And treated with respect you lights. The roads, but he also like. World sure. He likes. What sure. Boy? Actual name. Uteri peric, sometimes it would break a read. And you'll hear later on and. He would bring one in studio. Rat Laud. His original World Scher. Had Attachment Madan. Yano? NIEBUHR. Lowery. Company lowery organic. And you could add it to your initial keyboard even. Piano you could add. A bank switches anyway. Mounted. Above the. So when you push again now, it would draw a allow this pin in this assembly to drop in. That would open the circuit. And the circuit was. Louis early to. Oregon Shimla. The Oregon Oh folk. Yet on book so He'd be playing with the. World sure. PM shown. He could switch on Jurgen. Maybe would have Oregon likes out. Remember him using. Now in those early years. You guys spent a lot of time together in Garth. I know you were quite. The gearhead was Richard. Gere head did he really get into the nitty gritty in terms of the piano's? The wool sirs the organs. ETC, you reply remember him repairing. Rationing Lou Tengzhou CH- which they call read. That were. Could spare mother show have. Explaining, how the? Were Scher pianist in you follow. All that work. But it won't. Remember. When the group. After ninety, we. All. We played. into. Radio, young. Lauren guerrillas. In Ruin Quebec. Round. One. Shitty shitty. So. They had an old piano wood Jr.. Kings needed work some of the Connecting Raj runge. Would, he sticks the connected the key to hammered. Broken so Richard stained up when. All I think did should the next took it apart? Dude and I think US red and blue. Thing back together. This is Gregory. Up Rate. Bar. Who? Played! The radio. English, Probably still. came. Overnight in there on chairs. Table! He has all the action spread out us. Fixing it needed. And that was my interview with the magnificent. Garth Hudson. Senate off the top, but garth really is one of the most influential musicians in rock music. Pertaining especially to the Oregon. But also as a multi instrumentalist. Really at the end of the day I want this to live online as a document of his legacy as a magnificent. Member of the band as the most underrated member as the most important member of the band in my opinion and I hope you learn gleaned some information from this. You know we don't have these people forever, so it's really important that we document in distribute things like this, and and you even hear that Gar saying that in in in his answers. So if you enjoyed this. One here more. You know subscribe to this podcast whatever podcast platform you're listening to and find US online on social media. We're on Instagram facebook and twitter at the band podcast. Come join us there. There's tons of great content that we post there as well as if you have any questions for me, just reach out everybody. Thank you again for listening to this very special episode of the band history and we'll catch you next time.

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197 | Landing Gear

Aaron Mahnke's Cabinet of Curiosities

11:36 min | 3 months ago

197 | Landing Gear

"Welcomed Aaron McKie's cabinet of curiosities production of heart radio and grim and mild. Our world is full of the unexplainable and if history is an open book all of these Amazing Tales. Right there on display just waiting for us to explore. Welcome to the cabinet of curiosities. When actress performed together they become like family spending hours a day for months onset together tends to bring them closer many experiences they have or shared which into stories told in interviews and memoirs. If they get to live that long that is John Wayne was known as a tough guy. The King of the Western who starred in films Red River the searchers and true grit throughout his career he battled outlaws Nazis and Vietnamese soldiers. Off Camera he battled something much worse. It started in nineteen sixty four with a lung cancer diagnosis that required his left lung to be removed. Wayne was known for smoking. Five packs of unfiltered cigarettes a day. So it wasn't exactly a surprise when he got the news a little over a decade later though Wayne contracted stomach cancer and died a short while later. Another actor of the time Susan Hayward had made a name for herself starring in films alongside legendary performers like Gary Cooper Ingrid Bergman and Gregory Peck. She won numerous awards and had a very successful career spanning over three decades in March of Nineteen seventy-two Hayward visited her doctor where it was discovered that she had a tumor in her lung. One year later she suffered a seizure which revealed the terminal diagnosis of brain cancer. She died in nineteen seventy five. At only fifty seven years old. In fact a number of actors directors and Hollywood crew members died of cancer between nineteen sixty nineteen eighty agnes moorehead of bewitched fame. Passed away at seventy three years old. In April of nineteen seventy four. She'd been diagnosed with uterine cancer actor and director. Dick Powell died in nineteen sixty three. After battling aggressive form of cancer that had developed in his neck and chest he was only fifty eight and he's weren't random occurrences either. Every person on this list was connected by one individual Howard Hughes Uses Cain. Business Sense had earned him an incredible wealth. But it's true. Passion was filmmaking is early films. Were flops yet. He always looked for ways to outdo himself in movies. Like hells angels which used real airplanes and pilots for the dogfight scenes in the nineteen fifties. Hughes made another big budget picture. It was set in Thirteenth Century Asia. At a time of great unrest. Genghis Khan the violent chief of the Mongolian army had fallen in love with the daughter of a rival leader which would spark a great war between two sides. It was called the conqueror and Hughes decided to film it at one area of the midwestern. United States shot much of the film in Saint George Utah using its canyons and deserts to stand. In for the Asian Landscape Hughes spent weeks there with his cast and crew even going so far is to dig up sixty tons of soil from the filming location to send back to Hollywood. You want things to look as close as possible when it came time to do re-shoots except Hughes didn't direct. This film. The way he had others he was merely a producer. He hired Dick Powell to direct for him. Instead for his leading lady he cast Susan Hayward and alongside her Agnes moorehead. Genghis Khan was played by none other than John Wayne himself. But unlike other Hollywood tragedies their deaths were not due to a curse or strange coincidence you see Howard. Hughes had made a mistake. When scouting for locations Saint George. Utah was only one hundred thirty seven miles down wind of the Nevada national security site. A nuclear testing area used heavily during nineteen fifty. Three a few years before filming started eleven. Nuclear weapons were detonated at that site. The fallout traveled all the way to Saint George where it sat for years out of the two hundred and twenty people. Hughes had hired to work on the film ninety one eventually contracted some type of cancer of them. Forty six passed away. Us was so upset about what he had done. He spent twelve million dollars buying up every copy of the film and storing it in his vault toward the end of his life when he locked himself in his home theater and grown his hair and fingernails to epic. Proportions cues allegedly watched only two films the entire time Ice Station. Zebra and the conqueror for most of the people involved the real conqueror of the film wasn't John Wayne's grossly miscast Gingas Kahn. It was an invisible threat more deadly and more fearsome than they could ever have imagined one. That didn't go away when the director yelled cut this episode was made possible by the deadbolt mystery society. Do you consider yourself a connoisseur of murder. Mysteries d loved the thrill of unraveling the clues the deadbolt mystery. Society is a great way to bring the mystery to life in your own home. It's a monthly subscription box filled with the story line of intriguing characters evidence interviews suspense and Interactive Online components. That bring each story to life. And it's all delivered right to your door the deadbolt mystery society boxes contain standalone stories. So you don't need to have multiple orders to complete your murder. Mystery storyline. Yeah each monthly box is a brand new story just waiting to be solved. Even buzzfeed says it's the closest you'll get fulfilling your dream of being Sherlock Holmes ready to prove your skills self your first mystery box at deadbolt mystery society dot Com. Use the Promo Code Cabinet. Twenty and you'll save twenty percent on your initial subscription that's deadbolt mystery society dot com and use Promo Code Cabinet. Twenty to save twenty percent on your initial subscription deadbolt mystery society DOT com. Ask any child wet superpower. They'd love to have and most will probably give you the same answer flight to soar above the trees and then come to a safe. Landing is the dream of Comic Book Fans and Aspiring Heroes Everywhere. One man also had that Doreen and he came very close to achieving. Its and even. Though he didn't quite succeed he certainly left his mark on this world. Franz was born in Austria in eighteen. Seventy eight but spent most of his life in Paris France. He was a tailor by trade and opened a successful dress making shop in the city he spent over a decade catering to wealthy tourists from his homeland watching the world. Change around him over. In the United States something miraculous was happening. Bronze wanted to be a part of it to some years earlier. Two brothers had taken their motorized airplane on its first successful flights. In North Carolina from that point forward man's goal would be to fly higher and farther than he ever had before unfortunately the dawn of the aviation age also brought with it numerous accidents and fatalities the parachutes that have been developed. Only under specific circumstances no one had built one that could be deployed after the person had already jumped out of the plane especially at lower altitudes but France had an idea rather than a big balloon like canopy that opened overhead. He would make a suit. It would have an ample amounts of silk fabric sewing around the person like a kind of webbing as the pilot. Let from tall enough height. The wind would catch within the fabric and allow the pilots glide safely to Earth. So Frans got to work on a prototype testing it on dummies. By tying the one hundred fifty five pound mass of silk around them and then launching them from the fifth floor of his apartment building in his initial experiments his homemade parachutes worked well floating the dummies softly to the ground. He then took his designed to the local aero club a precursor to a regulated commercial flight organization. If Rana's parachute suit didn't pass their sniff test it wouldn't be allowed in any airplane. Sadly they told them it wasn't strong enough to support the full grown adult and encouraged him to go back to what he did. Best Making dresses. Undeterred Franz continued to work on his suit by strengthening the canopy and conducting more tests with his dummies. But none of those tests prove fruitful. His big chance to prove himself would come the following year when the Aero Club would announce a competition to develop a workable parachute for pilots. The only rule they had was that it had to be light. No more than fifty five pounds so frans went back to work. He cut much of the weight of his original design while stretching it out to be wider thus collecting more air on the way down. It's still didn't work though. Whenever he launched a dummy into his building's courtyard it would plummet to the ground with a thud even tried testing it himself jumping from a height of ten feet into a pile of Straw below. Good thing he'd place the straw there too as his parachute suit was of no use afterward. He thought maybe the problem was that he had it climbed high enough for the parachute to expand. He took a few dummies to the first level of the Eiffel Tower and gave them a push but it still wasn't good enough in order to test the viability of his invention. He would have to test it. From the top of the tower. He received permission from Paris. Authorities in late nineteen eleven and by February of Nineteen twelve. He was finally ready. He showed up at the tower on the morning February fourth with his suit which looked very much like mechanics halls with a large hump on the back. It was much cleaner than his original design. Weighed only twenty pounds. Well within the competitions guidelines cinematographers had also come to film the attempt one remained on the ground while another followed France up to the top of the tower in the film. It's clear that the inventor is hesitant as he wavers at the edge debating. Baiting has decision in the end though. He chose to pour every ounce of faith into his parachutes much to the surprise of French police. Who had no idea that he would be performing the jump himself? They had only authorized the test on the grounds that he would be using dummies and perhaps he should have. Franz reichheld jumped off the top of the Eiffel Tower and extended his arms his parachute though didn't work the way he had expected rather than open up behind him a wrapped itself around his body as he plummeted to the earth below. He was declared dead at the scene and ever since his story has served as a cautionary tale for other amateur inventors reminding them to test their creations thoroughly and not to fly too close to the. Sun. I hope you've enjoyed today's guided tour of the cabinet of curiosities. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Or learn more about the show by visiting curiosities. Podcast DOT COM. The show was created by me. Aaron McKie in partnership with how stuff works I make another award. Winning show called law which is a podcast book series and Television. Show and you can learn all about it over at the world of Lor Dot Com and until next time stay curious.

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Alfred Wegener, Beyond the Drift Dispute

Stuff You Missed in History Class

38:04 min | 8 months ago

Alfred Wegener, Beyond the Drift Dispute

"The future is closer than you think. And it all starts in the palm of your hand you may have heard the news. Five G. is coming but but what does that really mean. How impact me in this new iheart series this time tomorrow presented by team above a business? Join me and my co host characterize as we will you through the true revolution immobility. That will change the way we interact with the world around us from environmental science to law enforcement. Entertainment Healthcare and travel innovation is coming join thus as we explore how this revolution could impact your life and here just how close we are getting to a more connected future full of possibilities in the age of five G.. This time tomorrow presented by team about business is now available on the iheartradio APP. Or wherever you listen to podcasts. I welcome to stuff. You missed in history class. A production of iheartradio's how stuff works. Hello and welcome to the PODCAST. I'm Tracy Wilson and I'm holly. I really love historical disputes. Especially especially when it's some kind of scientific or technical discovery or advancement or some kind of medical something that people were arguing over like when I've been trying to the figure out what to talk about next. Nothing on my list is really grabbing me at the moment. Sometimes they'll be googling lake scientific disputes in history. This is one that I've been hanging onto for a while and it's Alfred Wegener and the dispute over his theory of continental drift. And I really expected this episode to sound a lot. Like our previous one on ignites semel vice and handwashing except geology. Because that's how the story gets told a lot of the time especially to general audience. kind of gets summed up as Alfred Wagner introduced his theory of continental drift and and was basically laughed out of the academy and then after his tragic and untimely death he he was proved to be more or less right and for a discovery that was As important to the field of geology as the discovery of DNA is to biology but that is really not how the story goes at all. Alfred Wagner had a huge career outside of his ideas around what we understand today as plate. tectonics he did important and respected work that touched on a lot of different disciplines. There were definitely people who were very critical and even hostile when it came to what he called continental drift he did have his supporters. Orders are at least people who are like willing to entertain the idea that he could potentially be right. Alfred was born Alfred. Lothar Wagner on November first eighteen eighty in Berlin Germany. His parents were Richard in Vegas and they had five children. Three of whom survived infancy. Alfred was the youngest his older brother and sister who survived were named Kurt. Antoni the men in the Vega family typically went into the clergy and that was also. They're true for Alfred's father. He was at the Lojane and a classicist and a pastor and an orphanage director he also taught at the local gymnasium but it was against the rules for Kurt and Alfred to attend the same school where he was working because he was their father so they attended a different school and both wound up pursuing an education and science science rather than following that family tradition into the church. Kurt studied geophysics and Alfred studied at universities in Heidelberg Innsbruck and Berlin before getting eating a doctorate in astronomy in nineteen o five even before finishing that doctorate veganism interests. Went outside of what you might think of. When we say astronomy he had studied Max? Planks Work Thermo Chemistry and thermodynamics. And some of the people. He studied under four his doctorate. We're using planetary astronomy. As a way to study the earth Earth rather than focusing on other planetary objects he was also interested in weather and meteorology and after finishing his degree he started working at the German. Aeronautical Nautical Observatory in Lindenberg. His brother worked there as well and they used kites and balloons to study the Earth's atmosphere and atmospheric phenomena at one point during this work the Vega brothers spent fifty two hours aloft in a balloon which set a world record. Alfred Wagner was also also part of the team that confirmed the existence of the stratosphere wasn't a team he was running but he was involved in it had been interested in greenland since he was young and in nineteen eighteen o six. He got the opportunity to go there as part of the Danish. danmark expedition which intended to map. Greenland's Northeast Coast Vegas was the expedition's physicist physicist and meteorologist and his research involved more work with kites and balloons to collect atmospheric data using a lot of practical experience in polar exploration. Jim this expedition made its way through extremely inhospitable territory. So Vegas learned things like Arctic survival skills and how to handle a team of sled dogs On July tenth of nineteen seven while they were on Cape Bismarck Wagner and the team observed several waterspouts. They took a lot of pictures documented. What they saw and this experience may have inspired interest in tornadoes and waterspouts which will come up again later in his career? Vegas kept journals during us. Expedition documenting his experiments and their results as well as the ordinary work that was associated with it like setting up the equipment and keeping it maintained and repaired and he also wrote about his own challenges as a member of the team he had no experience in polar environments before this and his knowledge of Danish was limited unlike many of the other scientists involved he was also very early in his career and he hadn't really established a name for himself yet. This expedition achieved its objectives of mapping the northeast coast of Greenland but it was also tragic several of its primary members including leader Ludvig. Majlis Erikson died after being being stranded when the ice broke up around them even so before it was even over Wagner was talking about where he might go in the future even considering an expedition expedition to Antarctica as future project for himself in one thousand nine hundred eight after he returned from Greenland Vega moved to Marburg where he started working at the physical institute to toot in Marburg in nineteen. Oh nine he also lectured on meteorology and astronomy at the university. There and Vega became particularly interested in atmospheric discontinuities Thanou it-it's which are sudden sharp changes in temperature or pressure. For example there are discontinuity services around the boundaries of weather fronts and at the borders of atmospheric layers. Vagner wrote prolifically over the next three years publishing. More than forty scientific papers and then editing. The ones on the subject into a book called thermodynamics of the atmosphere. This was a widely respected in reference text on atmospheric thermodynamics for years until it was ultimately committee replaced by a later book on the subject of that begging her also wrote in nineteen. Ten colleagues brought an atlas into their office. That was Richard Andres alumini on my neon dot Lewis. This is one of the first atlases in Germany that included both the coastlines of South America and Africa and the bathymetric data or information about the ocean's depths that had been gathered by the expedition aboard the HMS Challenger in the late nineteenth century so vague or noticed something in this combination of data. That intrigued him. He noticed that the eastern coast of South America looked like it would fit exactly against the western coast of Africa and this wasn't just that the coastline at at sea level. It was also part of the underwater topography off of the visible coast. He wrote a letter to open daughter of climatologist Vladimir Coppin Vladimir Coppin had advised advised Vegas in advance of the mark expedition and Alfred and had started corresponding vaguely. wrote quote. Doesn't the east coast of South America. Fit exactly exactly against the west coast of Africa as if they had once been joined. This is an idea I'll have to pursue. He didn't pursue it right away there. It seems to have slipped his mind until about a year later when he read a newly published paper on Paleo geography that documented fossils that had been found on both sides of the Atlantic Alantic that combined with earlier study of that Atlas to put him on the path of formulating a theory of continental drift. And we'll get to that after sponsor break this episode of stuffiness. History class is brought to you by Peleton this holiday season you can give your loved one. Something they really we want with the gift of Peleton. Now I know that might be a little intimidating. 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Alfred was not at all the first person to notice that the eastern coast list of South America and the western coast of Africa. Look like they fit together like puzzle pieces. I mean this is an observation that children make the first time they experience globe or an atlas that shows all of that and people had been spotting that similarity starting as soon as there were maps showing both of those coasts in fifteen eighteen ninety six Dutch map-maker Abraham or telling US wrote that the Americas looked like they had been quote torn away from Europe and Africa by earthquakes and floods. Francis is Bacon commented on it in his novum orgasm or true suggestions for the interpretation of Nature in sixteen twenty in a passage on similarities found in the natural natural world. He wrote quote similar. Instances are not to be neglected in the greater portions of the world's confirmation such as Africa and the Peruvian continent which reaches which is to the Straits of Magellan both of which possess a similar estimates and similar shapes a circumstance not to be attributed to Mir accident by the nineteenth century entry naturalists had also started to document animals plants and physical features seem to exist on both sides of oceans in a way that seemed impossible title or at least really improbable given that the ocean was there to separate them there were rock formations on one side of the ocean. That seemed to pick up again. On the the other side. Meszaros fossils were found in both Brazil and South Africa and there are freshwater trial bite fossils from the genus paradoxes. He's that were founded. Both North America and Europe naturalists found living animals to like lemurs which live in southeast Africa the island of Madagascar Asker in Southeast Asia. Even though there's a lot of water separating all of those there were also coal beds on both sides of the Atlantic and seemed to be a part of the same system and physical evidence of glaciers that had once existed in parts of the world now have tropical climates and fossils of tropical plants in areas. That are now polar. The list went on and on and on so people started trying to come up with all kinds of possible explanations for how all of this stuff came to be so so for the animal fossils and the living animals maybe they swam really was one but kind of briefly. That was easy to discount. It seemed incredibly unlikely likely that the animals in question could have swum that far. Or maybe I dunno clung to a floating log all the way across the ocean the maybe they swam explanation. Also they didn't account for things like rock formations and glaciers that seem to have existed in what seemed like the wrong place. Another popular idea. was that at one time. There had been land and bridges connecting the continents but that those had ultimately sunk into the ocean. This tied into another prevalent idea that the earth had once been molten in was contracting being as it cooled and solidified. It was a little like the surface of a plum as it dries into a prune which could explain the existence of both oceans and mountains that that land bridge idea still had some problems though. It didn't explain the rock formations. That seem to stop at one coast and then pick up again on the other side of the ocean unless maybe you those formations had been part of these land bridges that were now underwater. But then they're also wasn't a clear answer to what could have caused the land bridges to think if they had ever existed in eighteen fifty-eight Antonio Snider Pellegrini argued that maybe Africa in South America had been one continent at some point in the past asked he suggested that the continents had been forced to part in the flood that is described in the biblical Book of Genesis then a few decades later when radio-activity nobody was discovered in eighteen ninety six that raised more questions about this general idea that the earth was molten just contracting as it cooled. How how could that be happening if there were radioactive materials within the earth that were giving off heat on December twenty ninth nineteen eight American geologist? Frank B Taylor gave a presentation to the Geological Society of America in which he suggested that the continents were moving and had been pulled apart by lunar gravity. He thought that the collisions allusions of the continents had pushed mountains into being and that the continents movement had also left deep tears in the oceans. He published a paper in one thousand nine hundred ten and other papers I followed. It is definitely possible to read. Taylor's nineteen ten paper or one of the ones that followed and for a while. The theory of continental drift draft was actually called the Taylor Wagner hypothesis in nineteen. Thirty two though Taylor said that his name should be dropped off from the scripture because other than the basic idea the continents were moving. His ideas. Were really different from. There's here's what I thought was going on. He thought that the planet was made from concentric layers of material. which were denser? The further down you go. And the outermost layer with the continents on it was not contiguous oceans fill in any gaps the continent layer was made of seal material that's largely silicon and aluminum and the ocean floors were sima that silicon and magnesium seal was was less dense than seema so the seal continents could float along the Sima Ocean floor kind of like icebergs float on the ocean. Vagner thought that at some point about two hundred entered million years ago all the continents had been connected into one landmass that he called Panja and then something had broken them apart and allowed them to migrate around around the Earth. He thought this motion explained how mountains formed. It wasn't that the earth was cooling and shrinking a prune or that mountains were being pushed up by the force of colliding continents. He thought they were formed by the resistance that the continents experienced as they were sort of Palau ing through the Ocean floor beneath them. Sort of like like the way tablecloth wrinkles if you try to push it across the table vagner also thought the islands were pieces that had broken off the continents. As they were moving Vega. There was not entirely sure what was providing the energy needed for the continent's to move. He proposed several possibilities. And the one that he focused on the most was that it was some I'm kind of energy related to irregularities in the planet's rotation on its axis Wagner detailed all this in two papers published in nineteen eleven and nineteen twelve wolf both titled The origin of Continents. He's cited evidence from several different fields including geology paleontology geophysics and geodesy and on January six nineteen twelve. He spoke about these ideas before the Geological Association in Frankfurt and then he presented on it at the Society for the advancement of of natural science in Marburg Germany. If days after that this was just dramatically different from how most scientists understood the world at the time and to be clear. It's really really not how we understand today either. But it also wasn't the only hypothesis out there. Other geologists had also put forth various ideas about how the earth's continents might have been joined together at some point in the distant past basically. It was clear that the whole model of the earth is a molten object that was cooling and contracting just wasn't correct so a lot of scientists were trying to figure out what really was happening had some supporters or at least people who thought he might be onto something. These were people who had personally seen or already knew about some of the evidence that he had cited but he also had plenty of detractors. Some of this was rooted rooted in the details of his work. For example he said that Greenland was moving at about one hundred twenty feet or thirty six meters a year that was an error her and it was easily disproved. It also didn't seem like slight. Irregularities in the Earth's rotation could have provided nearly enough energy to move entire continents knits especially if there's continents were plowing their way through a less dense layer of the planet underneath them. Some of the people who disagreed with Vega were particularly scathing anything about it for example Doctor Rollin t chamberlain of the University of Chicago said Quote Vegas Hypothesis in general is of the footloose type in that it takes takes considerable liberty with our Globe and is less bound by restrictions or tied down by awkward ugly facts than most of its rival theories. So this wasn't really a case of one man. Alfred Wagner against the whole of science enough people thought he was at least partially correct that they became known as the mobilised while people. Well you disagreed were called the anti mobilised or the fixes this was not the end of editors work on his continental drift theory. But he didn't keep working on lots of other stuff during his career career. And we're going to talk a little bit more about that. After we pause for a sponsor break the future is closer than you think and it all starts in the palm of your hand you may have heard the news. Five G. is coming but what does that really mean. How will it impact me in this new IHEART series? This time tomorrow presented by team above business join me as well often and my co host characterize as we will you through the true revolution immobility. That will change the way we interact with the world around us from environmental science to law enforcement. Entertainment Healthcare and travel innovation is coming. Join us as we explore. How this revolution could impact your life and here here just how close we are getting to a more connected future full of possibilities in the age of five G.? This time tomorrow presented by Tim About for business is now available on the iheartradio APP. Or wherever you listen to podcasts and Alford Wagner took another expedition to greenland starting in one thousand nine hundred twelve. This was another treacherous expedition. Meant to cross and survey the Greenland ice sheet from east to west including spending the entire winter out there on my sheet at one point a glacier that the team was on unexpectedly could lead calved and Vega wrote that they quote escaped death only by a miracle else coppin that we mentioned earlier had gotten engaged before that expedition expedition and they married after he returned in nineteen thirteen they would eventually have. Three daughters together was a translator. Translating scientific works works including some by her husband. She also published a biography of Alfred including parts of his notes and journals after his death vagaries work as a scientist and a researcher was interrupted interrupted by World War. One he served in the German army. I as a lieutenant. And then as a captain he was wounded twice once on August twenty third nineteen fourteen in Belgium and then once again in France on October fourth of that same year that second injury was a lot worse he was shot in the neck and had to go home to recover. He used that recovery time to write his book the origin of continents and oceans which expanded on his earlier ideas around continental drift once wagner was sufficiently sufficiently recovered. He returned to the army this time serving with the field weather services a meteorologist. This was not a particularly taxing assignment. He was stationed Asian on the Western Front which was a dangerous place to be but his daily duties mostly involved making some routine weather observations so he spent this time on study and research urge writing a paper called on the formation of Hoarfrost on horse corpses as well as a book called tornadoes and waterspouts in Europe. This book pulled together together. Information on two hundred fifty eight reported tornadoes that had struck in Europe between fourteen fifty six and nineteen thirteen because he could only get one one library to do his research because he was literally stationed at the Western Front during a war. Most of the tornadoes in question were in western Europe reasonably near where he was stationed stationed. This was the first Pan European book on Tornado climatology and it was really thorough. His intent was not to speculate on the causes of tornadoes. He does and waterspouts which was not settled at that point it was instead to pull together a wealth of data on how large the Tornados were and when and where they struck and how they moved Ooh along with other details like what they smelled in sounded like and any electrical phenomena associated with them on April third of nineteen sixteen while Wagner was at home in Marburg for Easter a meteorite struck outside the nearby town of Tracer to professors from the University of Marburg. Got In touch with Wagner Gunnar about trying to figure out where this meteorite had fallen so wagoner cross-referenced newspaper accounts and I witness statements. Try to calculate its trajectory eventually requesting some additional leave from the army to try to finish up this work win. The meteorites remains were found on march fifth of nineteen seventeen they were very close close to the spot that he had predicted. Later in World War One vaguer was transferred to the eastern front and then back to the western front. He kept working on his book on tornadoes which came out in one thousand nine hundred seventeen once the war was over. Beggar had trouble finding work at a university and seems to have been at least as much about economic conditions. It was about his controversial theories about how the Earth worked peon. Elsa eventually moved in with her father and Alfred went to work at the German Marine Weather Observatory in a position that his father-in-law had previously held begging her held this position for five years and he did have teaching privileges at the University of Hamburg in one thousand nine hundred eighty one editor published research on the causes of lunar craters. At the time there were four primary hypotheses about what had caused the craters on the lunar surface that they we're the remnants of some kind of bubbles that had collapsed that they had been caused by tidal forces that they were volcanoes or that they were the aftermath of meteorite impacts packs are used. Cement powder to simulate both the lunar surface and the meteorites basically throwing little bits of cement powder at a layer of cement powder with a teaspoon. Then he would carefully missed the surface of the simulated moon to set the powder once that was done. He would measure document the craters that had been formed in the pamphlet that he published on the subject outlined various arguments against the other three hypotheses. Before detailing how these simulate supported the idea that meteorite impacts had caused the craters on the moon. I love this so much. Honestly so do I. It's Alfred Wagner Honors Crafty time that is very scientifically grounded. I love simultaneously very charming and really cool. It's ingenious genius in one thousand twenty two published another edition of his book on the origins of continents and this one was translated into several languages. It was still a controversial traversee will work but it was not unanimously dismissed. Two years later in nineteen twenty four Wagner and his father in law published a book called climates of the geological passed that same year beggar became a professor at the University of grottes where he was the chair of the Department of Meteorology and geophysics. He also published another another expanded edition of his earlier work on continental drift. This one also called the origin of continents and oceans by nineteen twenty six vigorous theories on continental adrift were well known on both sides of the Atlantic and that year the American Association of Petroleum Geologists held a symposium in New York City to discuss them. I'm not there. And Overall the symposium was very critical of him when he wrote the next edition of his book on continents and Oceans He tried to address at least some of their criticisms and nineteen twenty eight a tornado touched down near Grottes and that rekindled beggars interest in that subject he and Elsa walked at the path that the tornado had followed took statements from eye-witnesses and agreed to work with meteorologist Yohannes. Let's men on a project to try to determine the causes houses of tornadoes. The following year Wagner published the final edition of his book on the origins of continents and oceans this one proposing six possible mechanisms mechanisms for what might cause continental drift. As that happen. Begging her was planning another trip to Greenland this time. He planned to set up a weather station on the ice sheet. Beat we're a team would over winter for two years to systematically gather data about the polar climate Vega was almost fifty and he recruited. Several younger. Scientist is for this expedition hoping to make sure there would be a new generation of polar researchers. This expedition really struggled from the start the stock market crash. Asha one thousand nine hundred eighty nine affected the global economy and their funding almost fell through when they got to greenland on April fifteenth of Nineteen thirty. The harbor was impassively Sibley iced over and it stayed that way for two months. The expedition had nearly a hundred tons of supplies to unload and it was basically impossible for them to you. Start doing so until July then. They faced unusually bad weather and propeller sleds. That did not work as they had hoped which kept them from being able to haul their requirement. Very well they had planned to set up a camp called ice Mitte or mid ice part way across the continent but as winter approached they were woefully behind schedule. Ideally Ice Minto would have been totally setup and fully supplied before the weather became impassable and the teams at the mid ice station and on the coast would stay where they were until until spring instead by September the shelter for the mid ice station and most of their supplies. We're still sitting at the harbor but researchers Yohannes. Hannah's Georgie and urged sores at the station vagner and some of his colleagues were absolutely convinced that they if they did not get more supplies out to ice data. The two researchers there were not going to survive the winter begging her letter relief expedition which departed by sled on September twenty first as they progressed just across the ice sheet though nearly everybody with them turned back because it was just too treacherous vaguer Rasmussen who was inoke and meteorologist urologist Fritz low. Were the only ones who got all the way to ice Mitte and they arrived there on October thirtieth by the time they got their low was suffering from extreme frostbite bite and his toes had to be amputated. They were pretty surprised to find the is mint team in an ice cave with enough supplies that they hoped they would make it through the winter. They were actually doing. Some scientific. Study from this improvised research station. An ice cave basically they seem to be doing okay with two people but they definitely did not have the supplies to sustain three more for the whole winter so vague film Sohn decided to head back to the coast leaving low behind assigned to recuperate. Those two men left on November. First hoping that the wind that they had been fighting on their way in would help them on the way out so the team at the coast. I really didn't have a way of knowing any of this and the team. It is meant it didn't have a way of knowing what happened after regular villains and left the ice cave in April of Nineteen nineteen thirty one where there had been no word from the two men people started searching for them. Kurt Wagner came to Greenland. Take his brother's spot. At the head of the expedition. Alfred Alfred body was found on May twelfth. Nineteen thirty-one carefully laid out and stitched into sleeping bag covers. The spot was marked with a CAIRN in a pair. You're of cross skis. Beggars cause of death is unknown but it could have been heart failure or possibly carbon monoxide poisoning from a camp stove. Whatever the cause was it is clear that Ross Mrs Philipson had survived Wagner and had tried to give him as thoughtful a burial as was possible on an ice sheet but villa was never seen again and his the body was never found the team that found veterans body after this search surrounded it with ice blocks and put up a large iron cross? The German government offered. It's a mount an expedition to bring his body back to Germany but beggars wife. Elsa insisted that it be left where it was. Apparently she found the idea that someday. Okay as the ice shifted and split. He might wind up floating at sea and an iceberg to thought that was a somewhat romantic and suitable end for him after Wagner beginners death some scientists continued to support his ideas of continental drift British geologist. Arthur Holmes worked out a model that explained how the continents moved through convection in the Earth's molten layers. But that was controversial as well Jack. That was a lot closer to how we understand it today without its most vocal. Okay proponent the idea of continental drift mostly fell out of favor in most places although it does seem to have been accepted by the Nazi government of Germany after Wagner honors death and it was sort of used as evidence of German innovation and Madera in Nazi propaganda. The idea that the continents were once connected by now now sunken land. Bridges became a lot more mainstream then in the nineteen fifties and sixties. A lot of research started backing up. The basic idea of continental drift wbt. A lot of it was connected to magnetism in molten material magnetic particles line up with the polls then stay in that position. Once the material cools and solidifies is in the nineteen fifties paleomagnetic research suggested that Europe and North America had once been connected based on the way these magnetic materials were oriented maps of the ocean floor that were created starting in the nineteen fifties made it clear that the sea floor is not flat. There are mid ocean ridges that we now oh no align with the edges of tectonic plates study of these ridges made it clear that they were both younger and thinner than other parts of the seafloor and the nineteen sixties researchers I discovered what looks like magnetic stripes on either sides of these ridges corresponding to the shifts in the polarity of the Earth's magnetic field and that magnetic nick phenomenon that we talked about earlier also the nineteen sixties the worldwide standardize seismograph network made it possible to spot global patterns in win and where earthquakes occurred. which once again we're connected to the movement of tectonic plates together? These and other discoveries made it clear that some vagaries ideas were right eight. The continents are on tectonic plates in these plates slowly. Move but his ideas for how and why they move weren't really close to the mark. The accepted idea today. Is that the plates are pushed apart at the mid ocean ridges in in subduction zones one plate slides under its neighbor pushing material back down into the Earth's mantle. Antle most of the time this movement is explained through convection in the molten mantle. But there is still some debate on exactly how this works. There's a lot of convection but then in terms of like okay. How specifically is the convection making this? Do that's where there's more debate still today. There is a lunar crater named for Alfred Wagner as well as the Alfred Wagner Institute for Polar and Marine Research and various honors and awards bear his name as. Well there's there's a theoretical explanation for Ice Crystal Formation and clouds called the burs. Ron dyson begging her process beggars former home. Also now the museum if if you want to read a lot more about this dispute about continental drift and how the idea grew into plate tectonics. There is a four volume set the continental drift controversy Z.. 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"Better Call Saul season. Five episode. Nine bad choice road is over. But we're just getting started here at post show recaps. Hello again everyone. I am Antonio Navarro and I'm joined on this good choice road by my friend. Josh Winkler Josh. Our you until you tell me that again. Just tell that again. We're on well. The road of good choices car died on the road and I just here I am just one more time would be great if you could just tell me like all of that just one more time you know. I was going along the road. It's a it's a good choice road There's a lot of good choices longer. I made good choices. My car broke down because they're bullet holes in this podcast. I don't we definitely need to talk about Jimmy McGill versus. This is the Wexler versus McGill. That scene at the end a so tense so tense. I finally unclenched here a couple of days later and I'm not even going to say what I was clinching because it's bad I mean a lot of a lot of pain episodic K. goals. This is very difficult this episode the end of it very difficult We've been saying it's difficult for a while. At what point Josh. I want to ask you this right up from the jump. At what point do we say you know what Kim Wexler is made her own choices? She's in the game now and she knows what what she's doing and why she's made her own choices. It's time to stop being nervous for Kim. Wexler like she some Damsel in distress and start saying Kim gets what she gets. This is her choice at this point. I mean that that that can be true simultaneously with. I don't want anything bad to happen to Kim. Wexler like in the same way that Jesse pink man made bad choices in God and really deep. He Killed Gale Becker. He made that choice split. That's breaking bad. We talk about breaking bad here. Not GonNa Tower spoiler alert and breaking bad. It's fair game. All that happened already. Why are you watching? Better call without breaking bad knowledge. He killed he killed gale. Shot him in the face and like I still didn't want him to spend a year in Nazi torture. I still didn't WANNA him watch Andrea get shot in the head. I still didn't want to see all of the terrible things that were happening in his life. And I don't want any of that to happen to Kim. Even if maybe Kim should be heating some of the wisdom from some of the other people around her some of the people who maybe are sensing that Jimmy is is no good and maybe she is sensing it a little less easier than than she should be. I think she knows though I mean I think there's the sense is definitely there. I we have to talk about Kim. Wexler in the context of the choices that she makes for sure she loves loss. 'cause Kim Wexler. She loves a loss. 'cause she will pursue a lost cause at her own expense pro bono by the way. This is something that she will put her stake in so it is no surprise that we've talked at length this podcast or that she would be interested in. Mcgill the way that she is be there for him as a partner the way that she is when she tells. Lolo in this incredible scene at the end of the episode here that by the way he didn't lie to you he doesn't lie to anybody he doesn't lie to his clients. She knows that's a lie. J. Knows that's a lie. But lalla knows that's a lie to wallow has just seen Jimmy the whole dog and pony show for judge by the way about las fake family so Llanos that McGill is a liar and what he knows when he hears that out of Kim's mouth. Is Kim as a liar as well. So Kim knows everybody in the room knows that the Jimmy McGill is a liar. That's all goodman is a liar. No matter that Kim says the name and actually says he saw goodman she knows the truth about. What's going on there so I just? Her eyes are pretty wide open. I don't think at this point anyone's pulling the wool over her eyes about. I don't think Jimmy comes home out of the desert alive. And she finds coffee. Mug with bullet holes in it and she gives them the opportunity to come clean and even says I don't need you to and then he tells her a half truth. She knows she knows who she is. She literally in bed with I. Don't at this point. I don't feel like anyone was being pulled over her. Is she starting to pull the wool herself? Yeah but do you think that that equation changes by the end of this episode? This is very quick baiting Lee but also accurately putting the headline for my interview with Tony Dalton who plays Lallo that better call Saul just had its very own. I'm the one who knocks moment that it's not just Heisenberg. Who has the monopoly on being the big bad boogeyman here comes? Follow the monster in the House as Tony Dalton described it to me in his in his interview with me where he's talking about how this is like temple sacred space. It's Kim in Jimmy's apartment. They've had fights here but they also eat ice cream and watch westerns and atticus finch is going to trial and all sorts of stuff. That's you know very much their lives in very closely connected to just what they've got going on and now a cartel ban is in the Spanish seemingly ready to like rip Jimmy's face off if if he doesn't like what what he's selling like you feel the danger in this moment you talked about the clenching. Antonio you did. He'll never forget that you discussed the clenching. I couldn't watch the scene. I had to listen to it. I was listening to the scene knowing that. Mike is across the way with the sniper rifle knowing that Kim keeps walking into the into the shot knowing that Kim is not on breaking bad for whatever reason that is and constantly afraid that this character. Who even if she's making horrible choices. Somebody who I loved dearly in terms of my lake fictional family might fictional character family. I Love Kim. Weser what to see. No harm happen to her. And it's largely thanks to racy fantastic performance in the writing of her and it was one of the worst things that I had to sit through on television in quite a while and I've watched the news recently So it was. It was just recently and I had to look away. I have like my headphones on so is literally staring at the ground. Emily was in the room with shows. Like what are you doing? What is wrong with you? I can't talk to talk to me right now. Things are happening. Pretty sure someone who I care about. It's about to die so what it's a TV show. It's going to be fine. And that was the feeling that I had. And by the end of it after. She gives the performance of her life. And convinces Lallo to leave. Allow does leave that look. That's exchanged between her and Jimmy. Is that not a look of recognition of okay too far too far. I'm getting off of bad choice. Road exits here. I know it's a little late. But the the best time to leave was yesterday second-best time is right now possibly the thing about it is in that moment what it felt like to me. Is that Lolo? The Monster and the house was very slowly. Chipping away at what Precious Little Sanity Saul Goodman Aka? Jimmy McGill hat When we saw the scene earlier in the episode Jimmy McGill is having very serious issues with. Ptsd with the problems. He's experienced from his time in the desert. He talks to Mike. Certainly not the best therapist about this problem. Although Mike is able to regurgitate some wisdom that he heard it one of the support group meetings that he goes to was Stacey Mike does not. He's not the most sympathetic here. Let's just say this. Jimmy says what like billions of people on the planet earth and I had to be stuck to you as the only person I can talk about with this So Jimmy has certainly suffered this episode and when Lalla was applying the pressure it seems like each time the Jimmy starts to tell the story he tells it a little bit differently. I than obviously on one level the writing is suggesting that the Jimmy Gill Way to do this is to try to talk his way out of trouble by changing the details a little bit not changing the heart of the story but adding some details like oh. Your cousins. Were very nice. Oh Yeah and then I did this Oh just trying to embellish slightly to hope by embellishing slightly. The thing we'll change lava eventually cuts to the point. Says they're bullet holes in your car. What do you think it sounds like? Jimmy's about to crack he has previously. Said you want the money if you want the money back. It's in a bag in the other room. You can have it. What we know also is. What else is in the bag in the other room? Is the Coffee Cup with bullet holes in it? Kim knows this as well correct because Kim knows this as well I think at that point what she standing up and doing is saying. I'M NOT GONNA get US killed like I'm going to stand up and say no no money. No bag you get out of my House. Lallo like you get your own house in order. I think her intervention there is is to protect their necks. I don't think it's To basically th that she is I think she is in that moment displaying. The ingenuity that is needed to actually be a friend of the cartel to actually be the kind of person who can work this year. What I want to know from you is God by the end of that episode. You're talking about the look between Jimmy and Kim As like I'm out my question for you is lola leaves. We don't know what his agenda is. He's going to go to a different place in Mexico. Whatever the conversation that he had with Kim when Kim really gives them that come Jesus talk the same talk. She's given Kevin Wachtel The Saint Talk to an extent that she's given rich Schweickart We see this come to Jesus talk from Kim to Lolo it has some effect is Lal impressed by this. Or does he see her as a threat Where do you think is Visa Kim at the end of this episode? And where do you think Kim is allow? It sounds to me like you're saying that she might look Jimmy and saying that's the last Straw. I think she might be going further down the rabbit hole here. Oh God I hate that but what you put in my head Antonio and I. I don't know how you get there. So if you can string theory this out for me if you can get like all of the get the blackboard up We're trying to figure out we're trying to figure out why Kim isn't on breaking bad. Is it because breaking bad? Just didn't show us. Any more of Jimmy McGill other than the Saul Goodman Veneer. And she's not associated with that. Is it that simple. And like she's still in his life but we just don't see her. Is it worse is it? Death is worse. Did she get disbarred and she wants nothing to do with Jimmy. Is it worse? She went with the vacuum cleaner. You know and got Ed Galbraith data town and is going to pop up in a future gene seen Hashtag no gene seen or and this was one that had never even occurred to me until you talked about how this is Kim showing the ingenuity of what it would be way to be a friend of the cartel is there a world where Qin becomes cartel lawyer or is she running yeah or she running Saul Goodman like as she basically the boss of the boss right and I say that because the the shell company that Jimmy Uses Esau Goodman in breaking bad is called ice station Zebra Associates. It is has been seen throughout the Better Call Saul Universe as a nod to Kim Wexler and has a nod to his relationship with Kim. That was a reference to of her father's favorite movies a reference that is mentioned in better call Saul and it is something that when she and Jimmy run a scam on one of the marks that they meet the hotel. Maybe the Tequila bottle mark himself. They have the him make out the check to ice station zebra associated so the question is is there a through line not just in name only or not just in some kind of loving connection to Kim? But she's the one who brings up to low at the end of the scene. Have you never heard of shell companies? And you've never heard of the Cayman Islands. Considering the fact that she mentioned shell companies. We have the shell company that is named in reference to her and as a thing that she is that she is connected to and considering how she calls. Lolo fully out on the carpet there. I don't think by the way that anything she said. Other than the fact that's all good man doesn't lie. I don't think anything she said was untoward or undeserving. A Philip loud. There's a possibility Lila walks away from that conversation. Saying you know Goodman's fine. He's good at what he does but she's she wears the pants in this relationship. Yeah I just had never really considered that as a possibility. That could be what he's walking away from it with. I I get the sense that a lot of people literally la literally dodged a bullet. Maybe Jimmy Kim did as well by Kim doing what she does and getting out of the room I think Lilo leaves and Jimmy and Kim are not really thought to him anymore. I'm sure that he will reverberate in their brains for a good deal longer. Yes and I am. I am you know. I would not be surprised if they've remained factors in his thought making his decision making but I I don't think that they are the most pressing thing like when he says to Nacho going back to Mexico. But they're not going back to two where they just were going somewhere else that. I think he's got something else in mind. He knows that. Like something fishy is going nine. And he wants to regroup whether or not. That's because he specifically wants to like dig into Jimmy and Kim more. That just doesn't feel right to me as far as his next step. It doesn't to me either. It just what made that enter into my head? A little bit was wondering like how in response to what he just experienced in that room. How does he know to change his plan? And what does he change it to? And of course part of my thinking in that regard is does he change it to something? That is terrible for the people that we care about for Jimmy and Kim like does. His pivot here means that those two are going to be even more endangered than they. Just were like. He walks out of that room and saying she's trouble like she has her head on straight and he's traveled because he's weak but he's good enough to lie to me and he's dogged enough to drag seven million across the desert and by the way there were bullet holes and I know neither see nor hear what pulled him out of that desert with those bullet holes so he's working with someone else and if he's working with someone else and I can't trust him either like I have to watch my back and they're part of what I have to watch and that so that's the biggest concern but my secondary concern or my secondary wonder is like maybe he walks out of their thinking. Man She just read me straight to fill like she knows like all the worst things about me and she called me outright on the carpet and she had the guts to do it. That's the kind of person I need on my side. These are my lawyers. This is my legal team. Beathy reaction that people get from. That's like tends to be the reaction to Kim. Yes like when Kim Wexler Spradlin? Yeah but like when Kim Kim dresses people down like often like either like you know. They're shaking in their boots afterwards. They're like impressed and they want more of that right so you can. You can see that beam take a lot to get lallo shaking in his boots great boots so they may be but I think for him to be impressed by her Yeah I could see him walking away from that interaction like I like her. Yeah already sort of was right. Even though I think he had the upper hand against her win she came to the jail to try to get the information from him and they have that great shot of course of him standing behind her slightly out of focus while he stretching out looking like a serial killer. I mean literally like some Hannibal Lecter. Shit like looming over her shoulder and the look on racy. Horns face just petrified She really played that well like okay. She was ready to come in here and she bucked up and got her self prepared to have this conversation with this killer but she was scared by the end of it but this time she says let's face it. Everybody knows you killed that guy like she is not intimidated in that moment at all. Jimmy is stammering and he's about to give up the shop and she is ready to step up and shut it down and provides I think in the moment very quickly a very plausible explanation by the way Kim able to sweep that up almost instantaneously. Mike. Victor no-one on that end was able to sweep it up without an instant like they had time to clear that car away in the didn't like that's a major fumble isn't it. Yeah for sure for sure unless it's like how did they get back there? Did they not know exactly where that was anymore? Like the reason why Mike was able to track that before was because he was literally tracking Jimmy. They don't have that anymore. They don't have the ability to go back to that exact spot you know. It was on the road so because it was on the road. I feel like that's how lawler was able to track but the risk of like having somebody who going around there bullet he did have the flat flat flat of other cars away. Yeah very very good seasons fifty two level really really good but I did bring the flatbed out. They say like all the cars are gone right so they just left. Jimmy's there to yet. That does seem like a big oversight well and it was the other part of this is this is certainly not let. Let's nitpick better call Saul but I was thinking about it when we were back in the desert this time because what we have is. We have a lot of watchers watching. We have a lot of people. We see scenes of gusts men at various times. Following Nacho around Mike just seems to know that Lilo is on his way to Jimmy and Kim's so there is on these people constantly right and it made me wonder like how in God's name what what happens like how did Mike know exactly to get on that Ridge at that time. How did he get into position so quickly and be able to draw a bead on those people in the middle of the desert where there's literally very little cover like? I don't understand how he was on that Hill. We didn't talk about it last episode because we were just so in all of the way it was constructed. But just looking back on it now with Lallo. And Nacho in that Desert Anoxia Lolo having a sort of six cents himself saying lawyers said his car broke down. We just went through that entire area. I didn't see a car. Where was it like? Shouldn't I've seen it by now so I do think it's interesting that that Mike is able to just draw beat on lallo constantly I don't know when the man sleeps but he is seemingly on high alert watching every move when I say this because I want to transition slightly. We'll we'll we'll talk about more about him and Jimmy for sure but I want to transition slightly and ask you like Laos has. He's going to Mexico. He changes his plan slightly. He was always going to go to Mexico. But it's going to deeper Mexico. Whatever that is because it's different than New Mexico Bush. We don't talk about deeper Mexican. We don't talk about Mexico. That's all we talked about. Nothing happened happened in deep state Mexico. Please don't say deep state you're going to trigger me speaking of triggers The the situation with Lalo there some plan in play we talk last week a lot about who could have set up Lolo To have that money stolen like who would have had to beat on that. We found out this boy. One BOLSA Bolsa. My boy won't balls golf stimulating his way through cartel life Just just living the good life lock vida loca the crazy life and he's just hang down there and Gus knows right away when Mike says these guys were hired out probably Colombian Gaza's like I know who it was and he calls them up immediately and all but says like Oh. Yeah that's too bad. That LALLA was coming South here. I guess that means your problems are going to stop now. It doesn't seem to. You is your read on that one. Bolsa tried to intercept the bail money because he wanted Lallo to stay in jail because he wanted everything between gus and Lal Stop and this was an easy way to do it. Yeah that makes sense that tracks right there. That's a pretty tidy explanation that he could sell Donald Donald Patio. We know that he loved Hector Salamanca at the very least so I could see. Probably a big wallow guy. I would expect that. Make sense right so to kind of like cleanly. Get Out of the picture. Just take that money out. Bailing him out isn't an option. We don't have to go nuclear yet and like get him killed in prison. That's going to cause a lot of problems. This seems like a fairly reasonable bloodless way at least in terms of major players on the board. What's one dead lawyer right? So yeah it makes a lot of sense at that and he likes working with gusts that will ultimately be to his detriment in again despoil. Breaking bad won't work out well for one Bolsa there you know because of his continued working relationship with gus but for now he sees guesses like the rational guy to work with the actual profiteer will. Yeah Gus GUS EARNS GUSTS EARNER GUS is really generating that revenue and that sort of what bought one. Bolsa says is okay. Chicken the chicken man and the chicken makes it says. Oh baby like he says. I guess now that you know your problems gone. You're fine you're going to be okay but it seemed like Juan Bolsa Lallo on the board. I'm wondering do you think that's Lalo? His sniffed out. Like who would WanNa take me off the board if it wasn't a chicken man if he if he wasn't coming at me and he wasn't involved in this. I would imagine that lawler would probably think okay. If somebody tried to steal my money it was probably the chicken man but to the chicken know where my money was coming from and win like this is their or was it more likely. It was someone associated with the cartel. Right does he. Does he know for sure. It's not gusts is. He's still thinking about gusts as a possibility there. That's what I'm wondering like when you when you're getting back to like when we get back to whereas Lallo headed and what his plan would be. I think it's at least possible that he's considering that it's someone other than us but he has to figure what happened was okay. Someone tried to get this money. From McGill they shot at him. He got away did he. Get Away with someone's help. I don't know who could have gotten the money from him. And who would have tried to get the money from him and not my cousins like I don't know he's probably that's where the worker and his head and he may. What he may be doing is he may be saying. We're going further south because he may wanNA weigh it ought to. He May WanNa lay it all out to Juan Bolsa. He may want to say. Can I kill the chicken man life? Somebody tried to to seal my money like I had all these problems with him. Can't I just take him off? The board. The chicken man is like front and center in his brain. He goes and sees hacker. Salema probably the last time that he will ever visit with his uncle and he says like we're going to find ways to take the chicken may down. Don't you worry about that? Everything that's his will be ours and we know that that's not true But it seems like he has not lost sight of that so he may be going to the cartel to appeal and say. Can I take this guy off the board? I'm sick of this place and we've been talking last little while about envisioning scenario where. La doesn't make it out of better call saw when Jimmy shaking in his boots in breaking bad in his first episode and Better Call Saul and he talks about Lolo and Agnosio that he doesn't know that Lallo is gone. The deck is set for that right now right like it makes a lot of sense for for us to be going into a finale next week where you could imagine that. Lalla just scared the shit big bad wolf to his way through Jimmy. Kim's apartment left leaves them? I'm sure we're going to deal with the huge fall out of that will be a big piece of the finale. How that shakes out for their relationship. I expect to be a huge piece of the finale. And you can imagine a scenario then where they're terrified of Lolo forever even if they never see him again and it's just enough that the specter of Lalo looms large after something like that and those going south to make that pitch to Donald Addio one balser or both and in the process just like eats a bullet sandwich instead so that could be. That could make a lot of sense like if he goes down there and one ball says there and he's making the pitch to Donald One balsa about choose me. It's near chicken man. Well of those four people that were talking about three of them make it to breaking bad for sure right. So yeah it's you're right about that and it was like we were just saying like the chicken man's at earner and we already know from this season of better call. Saul that one while he seems to like Lallo knows. The lawler is a bit of a liability. The travel wire murder low hanging fruit. Do you see it. Yeah go for it. Lalo ability Lau ability sounds like a musical genre. Interrupted Intelligence Continue. It really does sound like a musical genre liability. This is but no this is this is something is already considering like even though he seems to like the guy the travel wire murder alone the very thing the seven million dollar bail was four is something that also has already sort of said to follow like. Hey look we don't do things that way on the side of the border and I think part of Gusts Strategy. Because Gus clearly has one with. Lalo is some kind of rope a dope. It's like you know what will help them get out of jail like we'll let him burn our place. We'll burn it down for him We'll let our dealers get arrested like we'll make it clear that he's really screwing with us so that we are just quietly taking the punches. Were not responding. We can't be seen to be responding is what he tells Mike but my question is like what is gus ultimate plan. That's what I was saying last week when I said it was possible that gus was involved with the money being stolen. He has some plan and the plan wasn't simply. I'm going to get Lalo in jail and then whoops I'm going to have to change my plan in reading bailed out like he was okay with getting him bailed out and it seems like his plan is to throw them at the mercy of Donald Audio and Juan Bolsa. Is that what it is well? If that was what the plan was it there has been. There's there's you know you got a little fly in my appointment. Right by the fact that one in my Biz we call this scooping. You got scooped right like you know. Basically one one Boston beat them to the punch that he decided to make no surprise the volume with which Lallo makes his announcement to the world that he's going to draw the attention of a couple of people who would like to turn that. Dial down that Gus Springs Plan for however he was going to counteract. Lalo is now aligned with one. Bolsa FOR SURE. They both clearly want a similar thing but it it based on the interaction between gusts and Balsa and by proxy of Gus Mike and one Balsa being in that equation. It seems like they were not you know in cahoots on this thing. So whatever is that. Gus was initially planning for. Lalo if he had a plan. I think now we'll just get it. Theoretically anecdotally right like whatever it was he was planning now significantly railroaded. That's interesting. I feel like it's still in play like that's that's the problem that I'm having. This is a I mean. I guess not because he does get bailed out and if that's what he wanted he wanted he wanted him to just build out so the thing that he wanted to have happened has still happened right. That's that's the thing is I? Gus fring smarter than I am at this point especially with regard to murder plans. And what he what he has been dealing with all season. Long is the Lilo Lilo low problem right the Lalu conundrum like what do we do about this guy. He hates me. He's coming after our business. He's a lot more aggravated and aggressive than some of these other people who just wanted to take the money off. The table right in front of me were pushed me a little bit or have problems with our deliveries like this is a guy who is significantly putting my business in jeopardy diming people out. I'm losing billions of dollars. Of course he's going to do something about it. Here's what happened so right now in post show recaps. We have some special edition. Final fantasy seven remake coverage happening here on the podcast. Japanese ROLE. Playing game remake of a classic. It's fantastic guy that many sleepless nights playing it and I've beaten it already. Hit me up in my instagram. Dm's if you WANNA talk spoilers there's another game in the final fantasy series called final fantasy eight Antonio and finally final fantasy eight Antonio. It's called final fantasy. Eight Antonio and Helena and in final fantasy eight Antonio as all the other final fantasies that are not named Antonio you get like summons like you can summon creatures to join your battle to to fight your bad guys and fight your fights with you in battle and typically since the word summon indicates it. You're summoning them. You're making the active choice to bring them to your side of the battle. But and final fantasy eight Antonio the Odin someone who is a recurring character franchise he trance. He's played differently in this game. Where rather than summoning Odin what will happen is? You're in the middle of a battle and obviously in the battle your goal is to destroy the bad guy and at the start of your battle without you choosing to do anything. Odin just shows up and he just rolls through the battle and apparently his goal that is completely uncoordinated with yours. And you have no control over. He also wants to decimate the bad guy but he just is choosing his own timing and he's choosing his own method. So Gus Spring is the player us in final fantasy Antonio and one Balsas Odin charging through the battle and he wants the bad guys debt as well. I believe the same mission accomplished the Lalas out of jail. Lawa's getting handled. We both want the same thing ultimately. We're fighting for the same team. I'm wondering if by getting the events set in motion to get low put in jail and then putting him having put in a position where all he can do is skipped bail so he has to go back to Mexico. If Gus is in basically saying I'm going to serve you Laos Lamonica on a silver platter and then Odin if you WANNA take him out go for it. This is final fantasy eighty Antonio. You're certainly in your bounds of doing that. Like this is the thing that you do in this game So you take him out little. Do you know Odin that. Even though that's different in this game I actually summoned you like even though final fantasy puck this little low hanging fruit. Odin Kirk Own Kirk yes. That's the Star Trek Crossover Yeah this I think is a thing. I think his plan was to make Lalla Salamanca a liability and to to let himself get beaten up to show that this is bad for business overall right because that's what they wanted to do. Lalla wanted to say the chicken man's bad for business and we gotta get rid of him. That was Lao's plan and Gus realized that was his plan and said they liked their money. So I'm going to make it clear that follow is the one. That's bad for business. That Lalo is the bigger liability. How do I do that? I'm going to put him on the hook for that travel wire thing then. I'm going to get him bailed out and make it so that he is in Mexico in that the heat is on him and he can't come back here at that point. I know we don't do things a certain way on this side of the border. Maybe we can do them differently on the other side of the Brian. What he says to Mike in this episode is after he gets back. Our actions must be unimpeachable. Basically saying like I can't be seen to have come at this guy but I'm gonNA come at him. I'M GONNA make sure that he gets taken off the board. Nobody can know it was from me though like nobody can so. He's trying to guide with his hand. The goal that he wants he's got. He's getting people to do what he wants them to do. I think that one Bolsa is not just intervening with his own goal. I think the goal that he's having has been accepted into him by Gus fring. At least that's what I want to read. It is because the other way to read it is gus wanted to be in jail and then pivoted because why. Lolo decided to have Nacho burn down on L. P. H. Like I just don't see that as as likely God has a plan. We're going to see in this final episode. What the execution of that plan is. I don't think there's any reason not to make gus out to be this monster. If you're going to have anybody take Lallo off the board. That's who you have do it. You don't have one bowls do it? You have if you have to do it. It's because of framing. That's your big bad. That's the guy that you want to spend the time building up so I just feel like we're still going to see exactly what that plan is and I don't know what the final act on it is but it does involve a lower being in Mexico. What about a wither Agnosio Josh? Just along for the ride. Unfortunately Worki- we in a position where agnosio comes off the board in. Do you think in this next episode. We've been talking about it forever. Have we reached a point where that is most likely or? Does that still less likely. Now I still think he has to be fearsome in a way that Jimmy is concerned for Agnosio in breaking right. And he's he has not hit that level for me so the fact that he is going down to Mexico and if he is with Lilo and we're also saying Wallo could be dead as soon as next week if he goes to Donald Audio and says hey him or me and he gets his ticket punched. Do we just kind of like. What's the continuity explanation? Do we care about that. How much do we care about that? If agnosio gets burned as well as a part of this I don't know it's it's a little murky for me with with Nacho. Right now I would be pretty disappointed to lose him soon. I think that he should Feels like there's a lot more life in the character and a lot more story potential there for me. What do you make of the conversation between Gus and Mike were? Mike actually makes the pinch like Nacho Varga. He's done what he said like. Can we get him out now? And and of course we talk about. Gus has the dog metaphor which is not great. What do you make of that whole conversation? Is Mike GonNa go to bat for nacho anymore? Or did he lose this battle and thus the war is over and nachos. Just kinda screwed at this point yeah. I think it makes sense to me for Mike to lose the NACHO battle that Gus will consume the Nacho and Mike is left with some lesser snack in that lesser snack is Jesse Pink Man for example because we will see Mike have kind of Investment Jesse in a way that like maybe that is born somewhat out of like him feeling like he didn't get to stand up enough for Nacho that he didn't get to go to bad enough for NACHOS. Something bad happens to Nacho. This is a good argument. I think. For NACHO getting getting got relatively soon that Mike wanted to pull Nacho out they did not pull Nacho out Najah gets pulled in deeper Nacho gets killed and Mike feels awful about that and like has has it out with gusts in. I don't know if he's going to have that with gus again. But if there's some level of you can assign some of that like residual leftover nacho regret onto. His relationship had that by the way that the leftover nachos regret. You take these scoops. Some of that molten hot cheese is and you. Place it on the pink plate and that that explains partly at least some of the energy that might cast words Jesse and breaking bad. Here's another young man who has gotten in the game for sure but like I don't WanNa see this kid like throw his whole life away for this and especially if he's like seeing it happened before well it's fascinating because you're right about that and I think there is that connective tissue there and I think it's it's not even DNA that That you have to dig deep. It's not that ancestral like Generational like The DNA where they have to find your relative and track you down that way. This is a direct hit because gus in this scene and Mike talk about whether fear is an effective motivator throughout breaking bad of course even though especially with episodes like box cutter Fear is an incredibly effective motivator for Gus fring. He repeatedly talks about how he doesn't believe. Fear to be an effective motivator. This is the thing that got says throughout breaking bad a lot and the fact that he doesn't say that that is not his default to have fear being an effective motivator and he straight up. Has that quote. I don't believe to be an effective motivator. And yet he talks about Nacho being a dog that needs to be disciplined to put down That's that is specifically talking about using fears. Motivator the fear of Papa and the problems there when Mike is saying you have a gun to his head. I think there's a chance at least in. I don't know I haven't given thought about how this plays out. There's a chance Mike wins this by losing right. There is a chance somehow that Mike is Right that they should have pulled Nacho out and that gus is the one who changes his tune on whether fear is an effective motivator or noticing interesting because I think I remember watching breaking bad and talking about podcasting with rob assessor Nina here. Podcasting about that final season. I was thinking about. We didn't get a chance to talk a ton about Gus fring. But his specter sort of hung over the whole series specifically how Walter White became molded into this sort of kingpin. Character after was taken off the board spoiler alert and now I'm doing it And it's that leftover it's at residual Nacho guilt that I have At that point what I think is that I thought about who. Gus fring was In his tactics and whether what was employing all of them or some of them ended always seemed to me like what we knew about. Gus from breaking bad was that he behaved the way he behaved. Because of Max because we that flashback we found out what made him tick to that extent and that maybe fear wasn't ineffective motivator because that's what had been used on him at the poolside with Max That's why he was working ultimately With the cartel the way he was on with Donald Audio throughout there's because he was afraid because of everything that happened with Max so he didn't like it in his own life. Well better costs. Also Prequel Gus. Fring year clearly does not buy into that ethos the way the GUS fring of breaking bad does so what changes between the Gust. We know. Now Gus we meet and breaking bad. It isn't something to do with Max. Maybe it's something to do with Nacho or something to do with this situation because Nachos the one in the crosshairs I also thought it was interesting did you. There's a scene. After gus in micro talking about this where we see. Nacho call wind gusts gossip guy tires I think might have been victor and he wants Nachos basically saying like hey once Lalo is put down. That means it's over right And tyrus I think might be. Victor says to Nacho. That's none of Your Business and hangs up on it. I don't know why that scene was there like we already know. That NACHO was Kinda screwed. It was just there so that he would know that he was screwed that he would know that he was under the thumb. I'm just confused as to what his role is in all this if he's going to pull a fast one if he feels like he can't get out anyway. He's not getting the answers he wants to get on so he's going to pivot. I still think there might be a move to be played there and it might be a move backfires on Gus. One thing that occurred to me as you were talking through those those character dynamics and those possibilities for for motivating future character actions although they are technically past character actions because it happened on a show that already aired is with Kim reading Lolo for filth in this episode. Can you imagine a scenario where where Mike who has been told earlier on this very season in fact I would pick your next words very carefully and basically just as I quit I quit? I quit Mr Frayne. And he walks away. He doesn't like give him like the big monologue. Is there something that can happen to Nacho? And then Mike points at that and it was like if you're not gonNa hear me and if you're not gonna see that like you get like point to pause grieving process for example like what it is you're fighting for is not good enough if these are the kinds of ramifications that are happening could so yes could something like the FBI resonated for us. Yeah I think so because it you have to keep in mind when he says and breaking bad when says I don't believe fear to be an effective motivator and he's articulating the opposite point here and better call Saul the person who is saying to him? I don't believe fear to be an effective motivator. Is Mike Mike? So Gus picks that up from Mike I would think and what you just said resonated with me because when you talk about if if Nacho is is is killed and he's caught up in the crossfire somehow he gets exposed and law takes him out or whatever it is. And it's Papa grief that is in play here boy. There's no going to understand the grief of Papa better than Mike like at the grieving father who loses his son. That's something that's really going to work with him and now Mike are already did. Walk away from costs. He's done it a couple times really but this season we saw what that looks like In this time it's a Mike who has remembered that he doesn't have to remember like he has learned that he has been able to articulate. I'm better now like he knows that he doesn't have to let that get him down. He has put in his brain Some way for him to be able to compartmentalize everything that he's been involved in and gus maybe help them with that a little bit. He took him away. He took him to that villa. He took them and put them in a position where he had to get better and maybe hit his bottom there. But the Mike that walks away from gusts if that were to happen now is not Mike. That's bottomed out and that's going to need gus fring And what's that? Revenge is executed if you will once Lolo. Salamanca is taken off. The board wants us on a move is made against the Salamanca's at where's Mike? Motivating factor to continue to work for Gus at that point when revenge was the word that brought him back in if revenge is executed. Especially if it's executed with Nacho in the crosshairs you might walk away now that said the Mike of this episode is also the Mike who articulates to Jimmy this monologue that I do WanNa get into a little bit more here. We're Mike Talks about the bad choice road and he does it in a much more eloquent way. Jimmy's is definitely road. And one of them is good. What are the roads bad? You're on the bedroom. So funny for a man whose Bolivian ship usually knows. No bounds is really finding himself at odds with something to articulate here and Mike Guy not known for his ability to talk. Doesn't much better job of explaining this and Mike of course has been talking about there in the game like they were in the game. It's fine there in the game. Certainly Nacho Varga is in the Game Mica said that to Nacho so I do wonder even though Mike is trying to get him out. How big is Mike Sympathy? Going to be considering what we know about. Mike? S- belief in roads and bad choices and good choices. Yeah Scott Question Man. I don't know I think I think we've talked about how gus saying. Revenge and now Mike being fully team again like something's missing. There's a piece of it. That's just not fully there and we got a really compelling speech from Mike in last week's episode and that was really good and I and I really liked that but I still feel like I don't feel like the argument is done or however you want to phrase that I don't feel like I don't feel like Mike and his perspective and the agency that he brings to the equation with gusts. That doesn't feel satisfied to me. And so I think that gus needs to probably like win in the big scheme of better call Saul at least like in terms of like this portion of the time line but lose in a way that is less about like his mustache twirling plans and more about wow. I've really lost myself in this to a certain degree and Mike needs to be able to point that out to him in some way. And that doesn't you know Mike's not a man of many words so it doesn't have to be a big long speech even the Big Long Jonathan Banks speech is Great You know the more half-measures psychotic and what we got last week was really good and you can imagine a really good one with him by telling. Gus something personal from his own life. That lodges deeply within Gus Spring. But it could be as simple as nacho dying and gus seeing the ramifications of that and Mike and giving him a look that all bets as I told you I told you. And Gus like having to stare in the mirror and see that like metaphorical charred half face staring back him. That becomes a liberalized in the season. Four finale of breaking bad one. Half of his face blows off. That actually happens spoiler alert but in the better call Saul context looking at himself for who he is becoming who. He's become what tactics are working. What tactics are not working? What tactics are working? But are they worth pursuing? Obviously everything with Bernard. Ziegler was not impactful enough for us to like back down from his methods. Could something really terrible happen? That like blows back on Papa and gets Mike to like articulate it in a way that gets gus till I come back down to Earth to some extent not enough that he's not gonNa you know out of blind rage. Try to inject poison into Hector Salamanca and get blown up in the process but like enough. That will get him to calm his tactics for at least a little while. Yeah I there's something you're right like we we. There is something here and I thought with Mike Speech. The the bad choice road. I thought really that he was encapsulating. A lot of what you could say about almost all these characters. You could say it about Kim. Wexler for sure. And the second time I watched the episode it really resonated with me that if you took Mike speech and applied it to Kim in the articulate way that Mike gave it not in the way the Jimmy tried to give it There are reasons to to actually think about the Ice Station. Zebra associates at all. But it isn't just Kim. We talked a couple of weeks ago. How hilarious it would be if when Jimmy was talking about how he had a client When you mentioned this to Kim that wanted to him to be a friend to the cartel if Kim said like how did you ever get this client to begin with? Jimmy's like well long story. It involves some guys and some skateboards involves the CATTLEMANS. Ida Falls a guy who was in a van. It involves me using the sex robot voice in a paper towel holder. All those things. You're familiar with because Uber on season. One yeah involves all those things. All those things are the little choices that might talks about in his bed. Choice road speech When he says we all make our choices those choices put us on a road sometimes. Those choices seem small but they Put you on the road. Do you think about getting off. But eventually you're back on it. Nothing can be done about that. That's Mike's Short of his speech And NACHOS made those choices. Everybody in the show Jimmy all of them Kim but Gus fring has certainly made those choices as well while is making those choices and everybody is on the road there in the game and they could try to get off the road mike and try to get off there. We know by breaking bad. He's back on the road right and my concern of courses that Kim can try to get off the road. Kim has making these choices. She's made some big choices in this episode Josh I thought it was hilarious when I watched the episode D. You remember what Jimmy and Kim said The morning which wakes up and puts his feet in the ice bath. They're going to sit there and watch. Tv All day long. Do you remember the exchange between the to me? This is the same day at Kim quits. Mesa Verde she quit swicord and Coakley puts Mesa Verde behind her and then comes home and the monsters in the House. The boogeyman shows up. Kim Says I really need a day without some trauma. That's what she says in the thing is she makes them little choices and she's made some choices in the past so even though she wants to get off the road like even though she needs a day without some drama. This is what can happen by the way we saw last episode. What happens when you get off the road and it's not great not bad down the road you went back on the road anyway. It's interesting because she says that. And then she goes on to quit. Schweickart and Coakley. She's she's done with Mesa Verde she's like very very calm about it like there's just sort of like this serenity about her of like just like yeah. This is right. This is correct. It's time to go. It's time to leave. She's choosing to go about it calmly but it's your matic life altering choice so for beginning. The day craving no drama. Forget Lalla Manca you you blew up your day. You blew up your life in a single day. That was without the cartel so big day for Kim Wexler on ripping it down on the badge. Ways wrote it's It's just. It's a big day for her and the thing is she can. She says that she could really use a day without drama but first of all she lives with Jimmy McGill so good luck but second of all. I'm not sure that that's really what she needs. We talked last week Or maybe it was two weeks ago when you get into her upbringing. And you see the drama. That was inherent in her upbringing. And she's talked about it in the past with Mr Aker this season sometimes people in that scenario. They don't actually not crave the drama. Drama is all they know. The drama is their routine. The drama is sadly and unfortunately Where they find some measure of familiarity and comfort and that's why they have a lot of problems they seek to recreate it. They see they seek it out whether they mean it they do it consciously or subconsciously people repeat and seek to repeat these patterns of behavior because it is in the patterns that they find comfort so it is possible that Kim can say she wants that. I don't want drama. But then when you know keep in mind. She says that the next thing that they talk about is she says Jimmy. I know you're lying. I'm here for you. You can tell me no judgment. This isn't a better deal. I just know that you're not telling the truth and Jimmy's after that he tells her of course point is I dragged my own p. That's the detail I drink by. Yeah just like the the the sun. Caked Jimmy McGill the. Make up in this episode off there. How about Mike like? Oh my gosh caked. Mike earnings to part ways with sun moved them. Which they're damned jewels and Vince Vega Looks Fiction. They're looking dog shit So funny with Mike. Teel t shirts. There's a there was a great photo. I saw flooding around. I wonder if maybe you even retweeted it but I saw someone posting it. A photo from the costume department on Better Call Saul. Jonathan banks like flipping off the camera while he's wearing the the big yellow t shirt that he gets at. The gas station looked amazing absolutely incredible. They love giving Jonathan Banks. Shit on the official better call. Saul podcast the producers podcast. And it just sounds like there's a lot of fun that has handed Jonathan banks but his response to things generates a lot of laughter among people so he's reputation I think is like he'll he'll really like much like Mike. Urban shout very thorough. Like stab really necessary. I really like going down the line on a point of like. Are you really going to make me do that? If so please like really articulate. Why Fair Enough? They asked him to do a lot here in the in the better call. Saul well in some of the best actors certainly are people that really put that level of thought and work into their craft. there's I think their stories. I've Richard Schiff Emmy Award winning actor from the West Wing and He will tell you that he he can be tough to work with but he he he he. I've I've heard him say like it's because I really care like I am not saying actress who don't put off that. Same VIBE DON'T CARE. I'm just saying like this. Is I think probably mark of why Jonathan Banks's process works the way thus Ram Because he puts a lot of time and effort and care and into it. And that's the same with you and me like we're very well known in our method chester. Barrie difficult to podcast with so because we care. Yeah exactly. I make people read like six books before each test Sounds like something you would do something like someone would think like? Antonio does that? He doesn't actually do no. I don't I don't even read them before you haven't made me read anything. I'M GONNA recommend you start with the Bible. God who good stories in there speaking of a lot of good stories The situation with with Kim I. What is the motivating factor? Do you think in why she leaves. Mesa Verde is at the stories of her pro Bono clients. She looks at the photo and it is that photo at the same time the she's dictating yet. Another inane letter about nothing about a six foot extension of some Bullshit Mesa Verde Bank whatever That she seems to formulate the plan that I got to get out of this place and I gotta do it right now but is that the reason because later in the episode. She talks about the clarity that she gained when she thought Jimmy was dead. So what do you think is the most the real motivating factor for why now? Why did this happen right now that Kim walked away speaking by the way on behalf of Rich Schweiker? Her boss played wonderfully by Dennis boots. We Love Dennis and I hope it's not the last time we see am I. It is true. Trust that they put in an actor when they let that scene between racy Horn and devos's play out the way they did a almost silently right. We only saw through reaction what was happening and we knew from the way that scene was played. Exactly what was going down. My question is why. Why in that moment was was what happened. What happen life this short and I think that's gotTa already be brimming on her mind in the last year or so of her life given everything that happened to chuck given the very you know given the lives that they lead in the aftermath of that haven't even really talked about some of your choice to present that scene of Kim tendering her resignation silently. That we just watch it and like you. Just you can a what's happening. You can just kind of like you can feel what what just occurred. Some great filming choices in this episode The montage at the start right. We didn't even talk about something stupid. That was wonderful. Tie tying that back to last season just showing how. The two of them are going about their days differently. She's you know she's rinsing her mouth out as she's brushing her teeth he's Gargling Piss. Let me jump in there because I think there is. There's a parallel that occurred to me in the something stupid. Montage that occurred last season Where we we talked about IT I. It's one of my favorite. I think it might be my favorite better call. Saul montage and it's a time jump. It's what it shows more than anything is the two of them growing apart We see them slowly going in and out of frames of each other's We see them at different times of their days eating their dinners. Apart not together we see the bad and the line drawn very clearly down the middle and yeah there's a little bit of overlap but that's what that is meant to communicate in my mind. Is that over time? These two are growing apart. And if you listen to the song and you listen to the lyrics of this classic Song The specifically wanted that song on the commission. Did they had a specific artists that they targeted and said. Can you perform this? Want to see if we can use it. One of those was low. Lamarche the band. Low the marsh Who then had to a another version Lola March to another version this episode and it seems like a tiny speck together with what we were just talking about. It seems like maybe what has happened is the idea at least in Jimmy when he's wandering throughout that desert is all. I care about his right to get back to Kim coming closer together even though they're separated and it's the something stupid montage that was about growing apart before this is showing they're coming closer together and it is this moment. Perhaps where Kim is like. I really don't want him to be dead and the fact that she thought he might be dead as told her like. You just said life's short. Go Out and Change Your Life. I don't think it's any coincidence. That she pivots when she's leaving Schweickart and Coakley and goes back and gets that Tequila Lid Because that is I think. Her Talisman for what reminds her of the fund that she and Jimmy Half together and that side of her that brought them together in the way that it did The first night we ever saw them spend the show together. I don't know if that was their first night together or not. I don't think that's ever been made abundantly clear but it seems to me like at the beginning of this episode Jimmy. Actually being absent brought them closer. Together it was bringing them closer together That made him realize I'm out of this Mesa Verde life and it does. It is Josh. What makes me wonder if she's going to buy in more to the criminal lawyer side of Saul Goodman more -at's crazy though bad choice road? That's the thing right. That's the monologue you you might be thinking that you're making these choices but you're always going to end up back on the road Once she put herself on the road to to be with Jimmy McGill and she really put her ball in his court. If you will I. And she and. She pushed her chips behind him. She staked him in terms of what he was doing Jamaica. She got on the road. She's in the game now is Mike would say and what she's in that game. She's on that road. She could make choices and she can think she's getting away like she can think moot leaving. Schweickart and Coakley and going and working for her pro. Bono clients is in pursuit of good but in reality she still the person who takes that to kill out of that office. She's still the person that did this. Because of Jimmy McGill and it's fascinating to me the part Jimmy. Gill makes me very angry throughout this episode. But the part he makes me angriest is when Kim tells him that she quit Schweickart and Coakley. And Jimmy's like well. That's a pro bono. Means for free. So you're not gonNA make any money. What's your plan like mother Fucker? Pardon my friends. Oh you just brought home one hundred K. for your bullshit. That's enough with the two of you for the year. At least so why. Don't you slow your roll a little bit here? And maybe Kim will continue work on for her pro Bono clients because we know she robs Peter to pay Paul so maybe we she will continue working for her pro bono clients as she's running ice station run shops Peter. Gould Pay Aaron. Paul yes that's exactly what it is. Yes Yep you figured it out you crack the code practice code but I mean it's it is it is kind of in some ways. Turnabout is fair play and and even though it's not Kim who gets like put Jimmy back in his place. It's more the universe right universe man where Jimmy is coming at Kim. So hard you hypocrite. You just like you're still lying. Even though she has given you every reason the world to like tell her like the full stuff and Shit and you're still allying you're still telling like she said like she. She knows something else happened in the desert like she's given you every excuse man and your choosing to still be this guy and you're judging her career choices a and now you're inviting the monster into the house and this is when lawler shows up right so it is it is and then. She's the one who drives him out. You're paying paying off that you don't save me. I save me. She's the one who gets them. Jam Call. I think that's great. I think that that that works really well for me in terms of everything that we're coming to understand about this relationship between them. I think Jimmy doing everything that he can't be self-important transform himself and be the king of his universe but when the consequences of that really come home he's not going to be able to stare stare down and it's came. Who's going to be the one who's able to untangle all of that? I don't know there's a lot there just the scene construction of that vinyl seen the episode. I haven't felt that tents very long time just watching something. This is really really massive. We'd done great character work. Great just great cinematic choices having like the specter of Mike being in the room that Mike could be in the room a flash in a manner of speaking if he needed to be it was just all the set pieces on all of that really expertly crafted really great a really great sequence in in better call Saul history really across both of the shows. This ending here really kind of knocked my socks off. I wore the other one. It stands to reason than it would be with the DNA the cross DNA Because the writer director. This episode is Thomas Schnauzers Thomas has directed A couple of episodes of better call Saul in the Passy also directed The say my name episode of breaking bed but he worked as a producer on breaking bad and he's been involved in the DNA of that show extensively and has been involved in the DNA of better call Saul throughout as well. I believe I'm not sure but I believe he has directed an episode in every season. A Better Call Saul or at least most. If he hasn't gotten every season he was on the producers podcast week. He's always really funny. He's speaking of Rascal. He's just he just says whatever the hell he feels like. He doesn't have much of a filter so he's always entertaining to listen to for did not recognise before I know they were. They had talked about it on the podcast in the past and I couldn't remember but yeah he it makes sense of the DNA would be there because this is a guy who understands these shows really really well. And I just all this all this cross pollination all the people that are involved in working Having worked on breaking bad and having been involved on breaking bad Throughout the course of the show it just does make me wonder what. Kim Wexler Role in breaking bad could be and what a season six of better call Saul could be if we want to jump into that time line like if we if we want to do what they did with the scene with Jimmy and Francesca where we had some of that I would say there has to be a break at some point even if Kim Wexler is involved with Ice Station. Zebra even if We are seeing in this episode. The possibility Because of the depth of the writing and because of how good everything Is is brought to the stage by the actors The possibility that Kim could be involved in this I think that there is clearly a break at some point when gene goes to Omaha genus alone and so there he is not with Kim Wexler throughout all of breaking bad say and I still think it's most likely that that's the call he places when he's going to take care of it himself instead of the vacuum cleaner salesman. He's GonNa Call Kim Wexler and he's going to have her get him out of trouble but the break is coming. I think the question is will. It happened in the better. Call Saul Timeline. Which I think we have been anticipating Possibility of her being the first person to be disappeared and so on. I think it's possible that the the break could have occurred sometime in the breaking bad timeline and season six better call. Saul. That spends time in that. Timeline might actually let us see that. Play out yeah. We'll we're we're running right up to it right we got. We got one hour on the clock here on better call Saul and a lot to tidy up you know before we get into the final season. I don't think I don't know if we know for sure what. The episode length is for the final season. If it's following in the breaking bad mold of splitting a final season up into two smaller seasons or if it's going to stick to the tried and true ten episodes a year that better call Saul has unfurled thus far. We don't know but we are theoretically staring down. The barrel of and I know barrels are triggering in this universe of eleven episodes left. That's a lot of time and yet not a lot of time with the way in which this show moves through plot that cares less about plot and more about character but there is a lot of plot to accomplish still so I. I'm I'm really intrigued about next week. Because this back portion of the season has been pretty momentous things have been moving with with with such a velocity that it's been kind of breathtaking and really intense on a weekly basis and way that breaking bad off and was better call. Saul is not normally on the regular like dependably intense. In this way in these circumstances you know what I mean like. It's usually intense on like sort of on another character levels not not on this level What's going to get accomplished in this? Finale what kind of tone is that? GonNa set for the final season of the show. What is going to be resolved here and what's going to be left on the board to be resolved next year like if we if we resolve the Lalla thing this coming week the way that you and I think expect where does that leave the MIC and Gus Story to go in the final season. Lots of lots of these types of questions. I'm really curious to look at the finale next week as a bit of a compass towards what to expect from the final season. Same and you know that I have been saying that what I would like to see you. I hope we will see. I think we will see is a scene involving gene in the finale that we're going to break the format a little bit that we're going to do what some of the best TV shows have done in the past Which is in a season. Finale changed the format. One of the things I will say is that there's been at least one death in every season. Finale of better call Saul sometimes major characters like Verner chuck Sometimes minor characters like truck drivers or Marco people that were major to certain people in the show but maybe not major in the context of the entire show. But there's been a character death in in every one of the finale episodes I I'm guessing they're not going to break the form on that but you're right with as many episodes they have left and actually season six thirteen episodes not ten so some more length More opportunity to I think tell stories in that breaking bad time line. If you want to get there more more opportunity to tell stories in the gene timeline. If you want to get there and you don't want to do just to scenes with gene you don't want to do just a beginning ending a way to split the season seven at six. If they WANNA do that we have no idea how the world will be better call. Saul returns keeping in mind. I think it was eighteen months or so Between the end of the last season at the beginning of this one. So who knows? I've seen you talking about our world now because exactly talking about our world. Yeah we're on the road right now. Brother own choices and they're coming chickens. Gustav here's the good or bad road on the bad one other bad one. My friend together. We're into bad choice. Road is due in the bad place. Yes we had a feedback. Email that I know we wanted to read David. Upper can pull it up. Let me see this is this is from Watches Hi guys in the end of this episode reminded me of the end of Wexler v Goodman in that we are once again left wondering what Kim will do next. I think that Kim is fully committed to the criminal lawyer lifestyle by this point. Kim knows that Jimmy is not being straight with her about what happened in the desert but rather than push directly for full disclosure. She decides to take action to clear her plate and show him that she is willing and able to follow him down. This road leading Schweickart and Coakley and Mesa Verde is the first step of that plan. The second presents itself in a moment of necessity when low decides to play. Shave Wexler McGill. A visit is clear to her. That lawler was not buying Jimmy Story. And when she finds out why she takes action to rationalize. Aaron facts build up Jimmy's Alabama and character and undermined the judge executioners owned position. She must be feeling strong. Terror anger and betrayal when all this is going down but she does what she always does and pushes those pesky emotions out of the way at least until the danger is out of their immediate presence that she continues to be so effective and command such respect. Despite the emotional depth charges lying underneath is how she got his foreign life. It is not a good long term strategy. But it's the best. She's got and makes her admirable short-term tactician of course. It's also possible that Kim comes to her senses and leaves Jimmy. Which would set up a final season of gene searching for some closure with Kim but given that she just agreed to marry the Guy. Odds are that. She's down to ride till the end. Hashtag two thousand four Bonnie and Clyde. Yeah this is the bad choice road right right. This is her making these choices. Small in the moment. I'm just going to push that aside. I'm not going to deal with it. I'M NOT GONNA. I'm not gonNA really stick my neck out here. But all those little choices that she's made They pusher in this direction. That she's headed. I just I feel like in. I think this email encapsulated I I feel like I'm more likely than ever to accept that Kim. Wexler isn't taken off the board that she is in control of the board at some point. And that's I think perhaps more terrifying proposition than the former proposition and a credit to all involved. I think for putting that as a possible scenario here whether it was even really intended or not. That's where I'm at with for sure I don't know where you are. Yeah I don't know man are. You just feels like you're feels like what's the worst possible outcome for Kim. Wexler at this point is that she does that. She dies where that she lives that way. Something happened in the last hour or so. Antonio and you incented me with the idea of Kim becoming a cartel lawyer and I hate that not in terms of its unearned by story. Unfortunately I think it could be earned by the story. That's the thing I hate that and I hate that for her. I hate it and like I'm having a hard time thinking about Tim's future. This episode was very effective. In and again I do think it is important. That like these are Kim's choices and she's making bad choices and she's making the choices to stay with Jimmy but I can you know in the same way that like Jesse pink men makes bad choices sticks within on breaking bad and I still love that character and I still want better for him. It's exactly how I feel for Kim Wexler and largely because of just a remarkable performance in right. Now it's hard for me to see a lot of options where with now we're talking about fourteen episodes remaining on the board because of the thirteen in the final season at least theoretically for now. It's hard for her. It's hard for me to imagine her making that healthy choice to walk away from Jimmy Anytime soon. Maybe maybe it's a still to come at some point further down the road but we're still talking about the bad choice wrote at that point. You know there's a too much drama in the Jimmy and Kim relationship and just enough time on the clock that she probably not GonNa make very good decision about this until a lot later and one thing that has occurred to me over. The course of this past hour of conversation is Oh God. What if this really is Kim's breaking bad story? Yeah we thought we were getting the story of how Jimmy McGill breaks bad and become Saul Goodman. But we're really getting and what it became was the story of how it happened to Kim. Wexler that's fascinating possibility that it wasn't for you and I hopped on so if I sound like little far away in distressed about the whole thing because I don't want that to happen man but but I'm feared of it the bad choice road convoys made me feel some type away like it made me feel like what are what are who is the speech really four because just thinking about like him saying. I don't want drama today. And all the drama. That happened that day she also She said I. I won't see la again like that's what she says to Jimmy early in the episode. When Jimmy's like you don't see below icy Lalo? You'RE NOT IN THE GAME. Comes back in the game and clearly? Kim is better at dealing with Lallo. Jimmy is she's better. She's better suited for this. And when we know what Jimmy McGill does in as Saul Goodman one of the things that that we always saw Saul Goodman doing Was We saw him Being sort of low end right like his reputation wasn't like I'm this kingship Shit kick ass cartel lawyer His reputation was. He's the guy you hire when you're guilty like he's a criminal lawyer and his his lobby. Waiting Area was filled with a lot of personal injury. Type clients It was always portrayed as very low end stuff that he was asleep that he was not like this king. Heavy hitter the guy who's like buying vineyards that has like all the money in the world from the cartel the hundred thousand dollar a year cartel lawyer guy that wasn't Saul Goodman but could it become wexler at least possible like who is the Mesa Verde of the of this world that she's representing cartel exactly see worked for a Wachtel and now she's going to work for cartel because just just to add a little bit of something to this. Mike was listening. Mike heard that whole conversation. Mike Heard Kim shoot lalo right out that damn door. Mike watched as she stepped in front of him. She literally stepped into his crosshairs. All and there's so much bait by the way she's playing with oranges. The whole episode she stepping into the crosshairs Thomas. Now's the producers podcast. Oh yeah this was like I guess. It's not schmuck. Bait if you're bathing last film nerds but it's like nerd bait so they were clearly like baiting. The audience would be hip to that. So it's a very effective because I'm very concerned about it the entire time. I'm watching that scene to the point that I'm not watching the scene listening to it. Yeah you know. I can't look so it is Mike. Here's that he he. If anybody in that room standing up to Lolo I it is not Saul Goodman that. Here's a good that makes walk out of that place. It does not Saul Goodman that allows Mike to drop his gun It's Kim Wexler Mike. Here's that Mike has to know a Guy. So it's it's always. It's always clear from breaking bad that that Jimmy does not know who gushed is does not really know. Mike's Connection Holy knows that he has one but maybe Kim does know. And that's something. I think that we should be tracking more of course when Kim is unfortunately killed in some sort of explosion next episode of this will be the for now it is very interesting possibility and I'm glad we talk about it. What else did we miss that you wanted to hit before pope? Let me look at this an episode again real quick. Just looking at my notes while you do that. I had that in my notes for shore that Mike was listening. And the Kim said I won't see Lau again It's interesting when Jimmy tells Kim to go in the other room and find the Mug Mug and she looks through a law. Looks through the bullet hole of the car She's looking at it and Jimmy's like did you see you see it. And she says yes. And Jimmy says that's what it's all about and it has he's saying that's what it's all about. She's looking at the bullet holes the lie all of that Chicanery. So what it's really all about is not just the money it's about the fear. It's about the violence It's about the lies. It's about all those things and she knows that she's going in with is open. She is not. She's being lied to but she no. She's being lied to so she knows who she's dealing with this is. This is not a surprise to Kim. Wexler any of this stuff. Yeah so there is one thing that we did not talk about that. I think we absolutely do need to talk about and then I think we're probably good. We gotTA talk about Bill. Hope TALKING ABOUT BILL OAKLEY. How do we forget it? Yeah Deputy District Attorney Bill Oakley I forget him simply just like trolling hard jimmy and just like relentless relentless assault I thought was over and then he pops up in the window of the door. I this is like street fighter. You're playing against a guy who's commanding eat. Honda and just doing a thousand armed slab from the start of the fight before it even says go. That's the kind of astle you'd ever WanNa play against. But he knows that he made never get a shot again. Jimmy Shanley chicken boys like he's really just digging it in he LE. Yeah this is great. This is to change your name again. Really really funny. I'm so glad a loan in a moment to be physically like in pay in pain from all this and then we just pan like a window. Still Yeah I was watching. I texted you a screen shot of that because incredible I loved it so much so legitimate belly laugh from the big. Yeah really just great stuff during the season. The seasons but great. I love this so much. I think that they've they do all the things that they do really well anyway. And they're doing them at at in peak form. We're GONNA have robbed. We're GonNa Have Rob Sesser Nino. Who ipod casted with a better call? Serb abetter call with for all the seasons. We're GONNA have him on before we wrap up our podcast about this season. Better Call Saul. I'm curious to ask him but I'm also curious to ask you. Do you think and I'm not trying to toot my own horn in any way. I'm just curious from a process perspective. Do you think you've enjoyed the season more because you're podcasting about it because you're thinking about on a deeper level in that way. I don't I don't know I listen. I love talking through this stuff so as long as I have somebody in my life to talk through better call Saul with on this level. I think I'd be good so even if it was just you and shooting the Shit and you're still doing the podcast with rob and you and I are not getting together and doing this weekly. I know that you and I are friends. And we're going to be having conversations about this stuff no matter what but I do find that. I derive a certain amount of enjoyment when we are through this. This is some like sausage making stuff you could throw it on your Nachos if you want later is like I do find that when we're thrown into that space that we seem to occupy when you and I are on a podcast together Antonio where we go about an hour to an hour thirty somewhere in that range of your locking down. You're going into the room and you're chewing on a story for that length of time. I often find that I walk away from whatever it is. We're talking about with a deeper relationship to the thing whether or not that's for better for worse it's worse this week but often it's much more often been for better than for worse. You know what's not talk about Strigoi but like the the examples of like shows that we've gotten to synchro teeth into in this way That we've both like formed like a special relationship with far vastly outnumbers. The show is that we haven't so. I think it's not that I it's not that I was not loving better. Call Saul Anyway. Breaking Bad's one of my favorite shows of all time and I love better call Saul and I certainly love it more right now. having done a rewatch of it and getting to have like a much more like a a closer more current sense of the scale. If the thing right now I feel like I'm above it and I can look down in a way that hadn't been looking down on it before and I do think that there is something about the process that exists within the show itself when you're tearing a car apart to find the bug and it's in the cap in the gas canister that when you allow yourself to chew on better call and no part at the animal goes wasted. Everything is used. Everything is stripped down for parts whether it's for consumption or to turn the bowed the bones into Bowen era. I don't know what kind of warriors stuff would occur. It's obviously not my field. I it makes more satisfying experience. And I'm definitely feeling that this year better call Saul but I think that's the personal side of it. I think the more universal side is much like breaking bad. Was a ramping up game so has been this. This is a bad esscalation. It's just the speed is different. The the place you're going is still the same your head. You're on bad choice. Wrote doesn't matter whether you're going one hundred sixty miles per hour. You're going the speed limit which you know better call. Saul tends to abide by more often than than breaking bad I think or maybe the better analogy is the vessel the vehicle with which they are driving down. I don't know I keep talking about. This is a slow motion car wreck and I think that that's I think that's right but a slow motion car wreck and like somebody wake ripping down the highway towards a very very bad call. You're still driving towards a bad call and that is at the point where it just because of time on the clock. We're about to crash into the wall and there is something that if you're if you're firing creatively on the right cylinders you're ready to make the pivots and the choices that needs to be made to push you through the top of the toothpaste tube and out into the point of no return. Crass you cross that Rubicon at the edge of the toothpaste tube. There's going to be something. Very weak uncomfortably pleasurable about that experience. That is that is definitely personal in terms of like the lean aspects but it's also undoubtedly a resounding resounding credit to the creators for on of levels. Not just the Peter Golden Vince Gilligan's of the world blessed though they may be but talking about you know full writer's room full editor sweet costume designers. A location scouts obviously cast music choices scoring all of that. It's it's symphonic when it's at its best and I think that better call Saul is in that place right now and thank God because it'd be really sad if it wasn't but we are here in the penultimate hour of penultimate season and I think it's exactly where it needs to be right now. Even if Kim Wexler is not yeah I I completely agree and I don't mean in any way too slight people involved with making a show of anything. I think it's a credit to them that there are certain shows. And we've we have been lucky enough to talk about some of them choice like we picked him out but there are certain shows. I think that really reward that level of deep dive and reward that level of thinking on that level of commitment and I think what we're seeing in an episode with Kim where we spent the entire season for example loud ing the work of Racy Horn praising The just the writing on the situations that the character has been but being concerned that we're heading down a bad path and and worrying from moment to moment we're now in an episode episode nine or we can spend. I don't think wasted time Really digging into the possibility for this character that she is not even a fork in the road that she's already too far gone that she's made those choices This is a show. I think that rewards that level of thinking there are too many shows like that on on in history really that that reward the level of thinking on that level so I was curious because you haven't been doing this with better call Saul. We've talked about the show in the past. But you weren't sitting here with me every week We weren't sitting together every week. Picking this over there shows that I've podcast in about And I know you have where we say you know what I think I enjoy the show more from talking about it because I'm not going to invest the same level of energy in it I'm going to just be committed to sitting back and letting it play out in front of me and not really thinking about it. This is a show. I think that rewards that level of commitment I sense that from the people who listen From the people who participate. Who tweet at us? Who have talked to us about the show. Offline not on the PODCAST I think people are really feeling good about better call Saul right now And I haven't always felt as all the on the show the previous season so it is. It is a testament to a lot of things time. Certainly being one of them Having the ability to know where your end is coming and having a plot in a plan to get there But at this point I have no clue what could come others a lot of things we can talk about. And I'm fascinated by all of it and I think that's a true testament to what they have done with this season of better call Saul even though there have been some moments where like okay we. We spent a lot of time finding a bowling ball. For what reason like all these things I I still think we can thread those needles. There will find a way to make Bill Oakley come in And matter and make it not just funny but a terrible moment for such that he goes out and reflects to Mike of all people and we see him in that great moment when he gets out on that street. I think it's a straight we've seen in this show many times before where he meets Mike there so it may even be the ice cream corner just a great show just a really realizing I can't tastic show. Yeah I think I think it's very good that they've earned their way back to Jimmy and Mike being in scenes together and obviously that's a fairly recent development even though they have the phone call in the quote Unquote Tunnel earlier in the season. But I think finding a way to get those characters back in each other's orbit in a more meaningful way and it's hard to imagine deviating from that moving forward. I think that they're back together in some capacity now as as we're crossing through to the finish the proverbial walt and Jesse of the series. Which is is obviously not a one to one you know. They're they're the two leads in in many ways certainly the holdovers from breaking bad. That are that are anchoring so much of this story but another piece of it to this year has been like there has been this like unstable rogue agent in. Lallo who I know you guys had a lot of questions. Rob had a lot of questions about the character like coming out of season for you know. He's I think through ceilings. It back down but I actually think that these nine episodes of season five that we've gotten to spend law so far at least one more you'd think unless he just disappears into the night we don't see him again until the final season which I guess is not impossible. That would be kind of. It'd be a choice. We're going to see him. I pretty confident we're going to see him. I'd be surprised if we didn't that he's just. He is just brought this energy to the show he reminds me of a lake the dangerous like quote unquote friend. Everyone knows this like Ross. Or I'm talking about Gunther. No He is a dangerous is full on stalker. What I mean like. There's the person that you're connected to in some way shape or form of use you as a friend you have to see them in social situations but wow that person's dangerous the way they carry themselves is is frightening and you know if you get too close that is composed. That's a combustible situation. You got real careful around. That person Lolo has that very wild energy about him where he goes through the show with these zest in life and sort of just like laughing Daniel Craig Road to perdition style. It's also hysterical to some degree like book kind of like a like a jackal like is like sort of like the animalistic approach to them whereas there is something. That's much more careful and methodical about gus spring. And that's scary but there's something really scary about having a villain Lalla Salamanca who embodies tone of better call. Saul writ large that sometimes this show is deeply funny and sometimes this show is deeply troubling. Follow is really wears. Both of those colors really well and that he is like sort of like this this this operator who exists across lake. He's he's kind of like what Jimmy is describing himself in the episode. A couple weeks ago where he's like. I walked through. And all of this like that's Lal. Allow the operator in the two tones of better call. Saul and now he is. He is crossed over in. He's at the center of the Ven Diagram of the shows story so to remove that next week is going to be no big thing if that's where we end up going no small thing that's where we ended up going and I will. I will mourn that loss. We're right if we are going to lose Lalo here soon. I oh I I kind of hope. We're wrong because I think that the energy he brought this year kind of transformed the show for the better. Yeah driftwood drifts at take underscored bring her on twitter tweet at US and said I'm predicting Lallo does not die out. That's correct to write. I feel like it's over but like don't leave the defense or the reasoning behind Griffin drifts. Take that was brought by take. Underscore bringer is in my opinion. The character and Tony Acting are as good as anything. The breaking univer break bed universe has done and I could see the writers realizing the absolute gem they have in the writing and portrayal and it's fascinating because you brought up how rob maybe had some misgivings about follow. And when I asked you if you maybe saw part of the reason that you've enjoyed the season Moore's because we've really spent the time to luxuriate an break it down. I suspect though. I can't confirm and we'll bring rob on to validate this having nothing to do with any of us. I suspect rob may be enjoying the season more just letting it play out and watching it and not really spending the time worrying about whether he understands lawless motivations or any of that I think there are probably people in the audience who are really just letting enjoying watching letting things play out and for those people They may not want while taking off the board. It's funny My friend Mack. Holman shout out to my friend. Who's a big fan of better call? Saul? He was watching this episode with his wife and he said his wife was screaming at the TV. Just shoot him. Just shoot him like she wanted Mike just to pull the trigger so there are definitely people in the audience who want Lilo gun but Lallo. You're right occupies that space where you can entertain. Us and scare us. Great performance great show the fact that the show was able to do that itself and Lolo in the way that you put it encapsulates all that really good stuff here. Yeah good stuff as yet anything else you WANNA hit before we wrap up here Josh. We've gone hour and a half. So were you know. We're in that spot that we that we tend to fall so I think it's time to turn down the lights close in. Oh my gosh wonder too bad Joyce Road. Yeah. I don't want to take me home in its myself. I'm going to say thanks. Everyone for listening How can people get out of if they want to? Send US feedback. We're going to do a full feedback. Show right Josh. Let's just talk that through real quick? You know we we kinda casually. We've in feedback here and there on the recaps but we will have a dedicated feedback. Bonus special after the season. So we've got the finale of recap that's GONNA come up next week and tell you and I are GonNa take that down and plan as it stands. Rob will be back for our big feedback. Show that will do some time shortly. After the finale you know a week or so at most something like that you can send all your feedback in for us. Bcs At post show recaps dot com is our email address. You can hit us up there. You can hit us up on the twitter as well at post show recaps at Ron Howard. That's me like Howard Hamlin but rounder. Antonio's at AC Massaro several different ways to get in touch with us for both next week show but just as importantly maybe even more importantly so that we have things to talk about for for our season five feedback show that we will do the week after all of that and right now. You're in this the Halcyon days if you will the beauty times when we still have as you like to put Josh. The what three three or four days before the finale of caller the best three or four days because we still have not yet experienced it. we're still in the gloaming if you will so if you want to get your predictions in About what gusts plan is will always survive the season. What will become of Kim. And so on Go ahead and send those in if you nail it on the nose. We're definitely GONNA shut you out but I'd be curious to read some of them. I'm curious this jerk about it. If you're like I told you well listen. Hopefully they'll do that in the email where they're making the prediction if they do that. I'm going to be scared of future man or future woman and say I get out of here. You Demon so. I don't think that will be the case. But yeah feel free to singer predictions in if you nail. We'll definitely give you credit. I'm curious as to what everyone is expecting out of this finale where people are. I'm no longer necessarily feeling like we'll definitely get a gene scene because there is this propulsion of nature. I still think we will But we're not in a position where I think it's as likely because we have this huge piece on the board in Lala that we haven't dealt with an feels like that's the thing that we're going to do in this finale to me And the idea that you've given me that he could possibly not show up or possibly survive it Arlene are things that I hadn't considered as likely so. I'm curious as to what everyone else thinks. Definitely hit US up We certainly appreciate the feedback that we got this week as every week Shoutout to those. Who helped behind the scenes Josh? You want to give anybody a shot out. The people who helped put this podcast up together. Whole hundred percent from Steve's Panty to Alex Rubino Sam more. We've got a great team. That's working to make sure that all these podcasts are coming your way. Of course we've got a lot beyond better call Saul on pusher recaps push. Recaps is bump in these days killing eve. Recap just launched with Jessica lease and myself talking about killing eve. I always love walking dead ending. Prematurely was really sad for me mostly because it meant Jesse. We're not going to be talking zombies every week. Now we're talking about a show that is just like objectively really fun and good instead of just like we can make walking dead fund so really looking forward to spending all season long. Talk Matt Those characters with Jessica. We had a really good start to the podcast this week. So check that out. We'll have a feet up for that specifically but if you just subscribe to push a recaps generally you'll be able to get her killing. You've podcast the season premiere. Was this past Sunday. So we've got eight weeks of that show to look forward to also got Westworld Lake. Better call saw getting really close to the end of the line. Joe Garfield tonight just released our recap of that. We've got our marvel podcast. Everything is super. We're going through with the Marvel. Cinematic universe that's myself and Kevin Mateo. We truck through the incredible hulk this week. That was a time a lot of time to be alive while the time to be alive. Indeed thing killing a good example of a show that I'm just happy to sit back and enjoy for sure for sure and killing eve is a good example of a show that I have been really really grateful to like. Get the chance to lean into more interesting. It's been it's actually been really fun to dig into some of those characters On a on a more granular level. And where they're all at. Psychologically that's you know that's my stuff. That's my favorite stuff so really fun with that loss. Down the hatch with Mike. Bloom still happening. We're up to fire plus water this week. My least favorite episode of the whole show. But I've been having a hard week and I often say that lost to beat you where you are playing. Watch the yet so. I wonder if that means I'm going to be extra down on it or will lift me up in some ways so so it's coming up the fire plus water. It's the one where a. Charlie flashback and season two. He's in diapers commercial. I was going to ask you if it was the driveshaft diapers see. I think I might like it. I think I might have a good time with Josh. You are everybody. Probably we'll find some residents. We'll see we'll see and of course the final fantasy coverage if the final fantasy eight Antonio a compensation dinner there got you excited in your in your in your ready to roll with some some more final fantasy content. We've got you covered with some bonus final fantasy podcast coverage coming your way later in the week suppressor recalibrate a lot of stuff happening. Hell Yeah you are very very very busy man Josh. I'm tired and podcast the hell out of this team. There's a lot going on it and I and I actually have gotten the take and I appreciate it because certainly I'm having a hard time keeping up with all my podcast but I assume that people were not listening to every single podcast that that's being produced and what I want is. I want people to have options. You pick you pick off the menu you can have the chicken or the princess or the Avocado Salad. Whatever it is you want. What are you chicken fingers? You can have those as well Mozzarella sticks. I've been working almost every podcast this week. So food The only thing. I'm podcasting about right now. Besides this is top chef with yen. Lovely wife Emily Fox Haley strong. Kurt Clark and Mike Bloom Were special guests throughout. We're having a really good time doing that. That's over at reality. Tv WRAP UPS. But if you can't find that hit me up I'll director there but You I think I just. I know that we talk about the top chef. Podcast that we all have a good time doing that But don't work too hard man. Don't don't overwork yourself here but it also has fallen off the map here. Oh no no no no no no. We're okay we're doing all right okay. I played a lot of final. Seventy beat it in a weekend like obviously. I'm taking care of my mental health to Helena started valley. Yeah Yeah I think I'm just GONNA play final fantasy seven again. That's about to happen you better start. Yeah I'll That's going to be impossible. Dr King's Mid Guard donut me. Okay okay okay. We're GONNA work my squats and my Chin ups but a dark game is unbeatable. Everybody that's it for the better. Call Saul podcast. I'm calling it. I gotTA finish my Spanish lessons for today. All right bye take you everybody. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week.

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A rhythm child from kindy reggae. Play my games. This is the children's hour. I'm Katie Stone. I'm just delighted to be here with a whole lot of great people. Hello everyone hi well well. WHO's here? Hello Zan hi it's Daniel Hi. It's my hello. Everyone little petit crew on a beautiful day. We're going to have a show today where we're going to be thinking about all kinds of cool things we can do without being on devices. Do you know what I mean by that like screens right like on your phone or on your IPAD or like looking at a screen. There's a lot we can do in in this world that doesn't include screens but might have something to do with digital fun and Daniel. I think you're part of the a group of kids that went to visit this. New Place here in Albuquerque called electric play house. Can you tell us anything about it. Yes I was. It was very exciting. I got to talk to a lot of people will be getting into it later. More what it looked like and everything and in your piece that you made for us you described pretty well what it's like but in a nutshell it's kind of like being inside of a video game isn't it. Yeah pretty much is like all this digital worker around and you and so it feels like you're playing a game but you actually get interacts with everything around you so I think that part is very interesting and exciting. It's a way to get kids to put down their devices and do other things. What other things do you all do in this room? That don't involve devices that involve the real world and being with other people and doing stuff. I draw sometimes actually draw video game characters but I also saw dinosaurs. Art is a great gateway to get into the physical world. And I've seen your drawings. They're pretty amazing. WE'RE GONNA have to post some pictures if you're okay with that foreign by me. I play my UKULELE and I sing. That is so cool. Wow and do you. Are you learning new songs all the time. Are you writing your your own music. I'm learning other people's music and also writing my own. Yeah Amadeus anything you do. That doesn't involve screens. But you're out in the real world doing something think Particularly Puzzles they seem like a lot of fun always require a lot of skill and have lots of fun with them. Different board game stuff like that. Lots of fun. I'm to take up the time and have some fun. I loved doing puzzles. It gives time to just hang out with people. Because you know you're it's so visual on you're looking at the a puzzle but there's a lot of space to just talk and have fun when you're doing a puzzle very much so we're gonNA be talking about play today. In a couple of ways the kids went to a place called electric playhouse. We're GONNA find out more about what that is and then we're going to talk with Dr Lisa. She is is the first African American woman to ever receive her PhD from Ohio State University in marketing. And she has developed a line of dolls and toys that are multicultural and her vision is to create diversity in the toy box. We'll talk to Dr Lisa and a little bit and we're just gonNA play. How do you like to play? This is brave Combo on the children's Hour uh-huh I didn't hear hiding there. I'd never anywhere I'm over here. You're over there hiding here hiding there. I didn't ever meet where but saul hide and seek be just by not ready alright. Let's all play hide and see apples peaches pumpkin pie. WHO's not ready all bride? That's all in hiding there. I'm all over there hiding hiding. I let speeches by WHO's ready play by. Ah uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh Bumpkin lead by It off look outside. It's really coming down days that John Glenn do I use my friends. Think you're in luck day for money stroll and clouds Out some roll by so lovely end gray have the rain then. The New Year Low rain new defy Mile Rainbow look quite apparent that day chart go. Come on let's go way. What these a Rainy it looks like the avenues for the the day did you Back Splash and ooh That was Daniel Tashjian. I love rainy days. His CD was up for Grammy. It didn't wind. It was just one of the nominees. But we're going to play all the nominees today on the children's hour before him. You heard brave Combo from a CD called POLKA sonic with Apple. Peaches Pumpkin Pie. We're doing a show today all about play and sometimes when you hear the word play it's talking about the kind of play that a bunch onto people do altogether on stage in front of other people where they're following a script and those kinds of plays can be really relief fund but they don't start in the imagination and the imagination can take us a long way and sometimes it can take us the wrong way. This is a classic tale done by kids in theater in the making recorded decades ago for the children's hour the blind men and the elephant by John Godfrey Saxe Hindu fable. It was six men of Indo stand to learning much inclined who went to see the elephant though all of them were blind that each observation might satisfy his mind. The first approach the elephant and happening to fall against his broadened sturdy side at once began to ball. God bless me but the elephant is there like a wall the second feeling of the Tusk Crud. Bud Ho- what have we here so very round and smooth and sharp to me is mighty clear. This wonder of an elephant is very like a spear the third approach the animal and happening to take the squirming trunk within his hands. Those boldly up and speak. I see what he the elephant is very like a snake. The fourth reached out and eager hand and felt about the knee. What most wondrous beast is like is mighty plane quoth he to clear sorry not? The elephant is very like a tree. The fifth who chance to touch the ear said in the blindness man can tell what this resembles most deny. The fact to can this. This marvel of an elephant is very like a fan. The sixth no sooner had begun about the beast to grope then seizing on this swinging tail that fell within his scope. I see growth. He elephant is very like a rope. And so these men of Indo Stan disputed loud and long. Each his own opinion exceeding stiff offense strong Bo- each was partly in the right. And All we're in the wrong so often. The logic wars the disputants. I ween rail on an utter ignorance of what each other mean and freight about an elephant. Not Not one of them has seen in in June taboo. Traffic is too. But I'm going to commissioner help messed web whereby we failed in the TV chick Kamaz e made it his home. You leaders failed. It is it was it was In what is going through the Oh great Song again. It is very in the did you. Six spots can ask house is still used. Dude itches. Flags Tay on Cross gender. Uh believe me. Children's Prince hours produced by the Children's Hour Incorporated nonprofit dedicated to producing high-quality kids public radio. You can find out more. At Children's our dot Org word support provided by electric playhouse in all ages playhouse filled with food fun and Family Entertainment. Electric playhouse encourages healthy active. Play using technology to bring people together together available for public group. Play and private events opening February I in Albuquerque New Mexico more electric playhouse dot com talk radio. We'll be right back among The noodles butter butter. You are my favorite tree free doodles and butter. There is no other nothing else on E.. I don't like chocolate. Take like others do or lemon drops or temperament your little cakes or sugar lumps no candy bars or whipping cream. No lollipops or tangerines. Tangerines no mobile home. Just want noodles and butter in butter you are my favorite tree doodles butter. There is no other nothing nothing else that I don't like bubble gum or licorice whip saw anything dipped in cream now. That seems good to me in charge or anything from that pastry card. The only thing I really want is dude and As well you can gosh shooters suites tower of trashy trees. It'll say I don't like chocolate cake like others to or them and drops or peppermint your little cakes or sugar lumps no candy bars or Kareem. No lollipops or chancery root beer floats or bubblegum just want ought noodles and butter doodles butter you favor doodles and butter there. It is nothing else that I wanna eat today on the children's hour were talking about play. How do you play? We have noticed so many kids. Love Video Games in here in Albuquerque New Mexico. A new playhouse has opened that we heard was like being inside of a video video game in real life. Sanyal Maya Zen. And Amadeus from our kids grew went into the electric play house to find out what it was like. I am at the electric play house. I am here interviewing Maya. Can you describe what you saw here. I sure Tan ill is is a lot of light. You're interacting with lights and there are some of it was like you were interacting Elizabeth balls and stuff like that. There are all sorts of games and lights and I got very sweaty. It's quite big workout. Really really big. What kind of James would require such a great workout? So there's like this field Anders the ball. And when you stop it on it it goes a certain way and then you try to get into these goals and stuff so it includes water water. Oh like soccer. Yeah is it a real ball. Now it's just the white that you're stopping stomping right now. We're walking through a tunnel of all sorts of bright lights all around us in a little little arc. At this point we are essentially entering a physical video game and there's so many different electrical things happening around us as music. HAMPSON radio game. How does this game war so you step on this light and then you and the new picker colored teams you step on this light and then that you're on that team it and you try to get all those colors and then if this light gets to the top of the wall you went right now rain just all right? I found all the lights in here. Mesmerizing you just the projections are. They're very interesting like to know more about how they work. John on Mark Collins is the CEO of electric playhouse. How does it actually work? There's lights everywhere and they're moving and they seem to be interacting with human movement. Is this artificial artificial intelligence. What what is this? This is essentially depth motion tracking so use a body based mechanic and three D.. Damas to track people are moving even so that we know where they're headed and where they're standing on the press and I'm all stepping out and so that gives you the impression spaces reacting to everything you do and it is it is it is all the media on the walls all the projections are responding contextual to where you're standing doing we created the playoffs as is a way to get people to play together and get them using technology much more constructive social and engaging fashion so it's about large-scale video games taes groups. Remember play together in large groups get into family all engaged at the same time. It's really interesting that it's so interactive as well as it's kind of being so virtual also very physical as well as kind of really unlike any other thing that I've seen before what was the electric playhouse like there's a lot of lights and it's very active. You get to play a lot of games and you can take pictures with your friends. You can learn learn more about the electric playhouse by going to electric playhouse DOT com. We should note. The electric playhouse is a supporter of the children's hour bills. Everything aw starts it stops. It's clear things it starts it stops. Where's that gather? Nope we see a warning. Do we think about the men In sue sits together fabric. The morning we all go that way. Start Start Stop. We see the the it clear picture. Search Bingo mm-hmm The Twenty Twenty Grammy Winner for the Best Children's released John Sampson from his ageless songs for the child archetype and before the kids you heard noodles in in butter casper baby pants. That was up for a grammy this year. The CDs called flying high. You're tuned to the children's hour and I guess way back before the break. We heard Mr Tembo. That's Damon albarn from a CD called everyday robots today on the show. We're talking about play. I'm just delighted delighted to have on the line with me Dr Lisa. She is an innovator toymaker and she has created the fresh dolls. Welcome welcome to the children's hour. Dr Lisa Hi. Thank you for having me. I'm so happy you're here for our listeners. I have only given them a little a little taste of. Maybe what you're going to talk about. You are diversifying the toy box. Can you talk about your dolls. Oh yes absolutely. And you're right. There was a beautiful way of saying it diversifying the toy box. What we know by living in this world is over? Fifty percent of the children Now are beautiful multicultural children however when you walk through a Toyota you do not see that diversity and so what we are trying to do. We're here with the fresh dolls and positively perfect dolls and the first call. I've dolls is we're trying to change that. We're trying to make sure that every child sees their beauty beauty and their brilliant reflect back to them on the toy shelves so we custom blinds skin tones and do unique sculpture which are the face To make sure the average house these their beauty in that doll when they're playing with it. Can you talk to us. A little about about the positivity perfect dolls are really for maybe maybe younger kids talk about those first and then we'll get into the fresh squad in the fresh dolls absolutely. Yes positively perfect. Where my first babies? He's not I ever did. And they were designed for smaller kids. There have like a toddler's that kids can carry with them under their arm. They can and sleep with them because they have really sought cushy bodies and the purpose of goes dolls is actually they were characters from a line of Children's books that we we did and so basically brought these character from the book to life with golf so yeah there are like fourteen inch are toddlers and then we have our older girls but again they're all have unique faces and they all have customer skinned tonk unique hair textures and hairstyle you are really representing kids of all different colors different ethnicities in your doll lines and you did that with your fresh dolls and the fresh squad for a little bit older kids kids who might be interested in what another brand is called Barbie but there that sort of style except they look like real people. I love that And that is the idea. I want kids to be able to see themselves. When they play with these dolls? So the boys look really chivalrous young men they have a custom Linda skills as well they have unique facial features. They're totally what we call articulated. which simply means they're totally bendable? So you've been at their risk in that fair knees in their ankles and elbows and the girls are bendable at eleven different points knees hips shoulders elbows etc.. All designed so that when children are playing with the dolls they can actually bend and imagine what they WanNa appea- kids can also create a world a scene that looks like our country even if the dolls don't look exactly like themselves I think Having a diverse range of ethnicities and dolls. It must help kids see what the country really looks like. And what what their classrooms really. Look like I could not agree with you more. You're absolutely right. These are group of characters that represent African Americans they represent Latinas Caucasians and we're increasing to include native American Middle Eastern. We want every child to be able to see their are unique. Beauty and diversity reflected back to them. And you're so right when you look at classrooms you see a diverse beauty skin tone and in hair textures and that's what we're trying to reflect so that children will actually be able to if you will bring their different home with them when they play okay because they can go to the store and see dolls that look like them but also dolls that look like they're friends and that makes them to be able to again create a community liberty in their play. It is black history month right now and you have made black history in this country can talk a little bit about the history you've made personally and also what black history means to you and what you think kids should be thinking about in black history month well for me. I was plus the first African American female to graduate with a PhD from the Ohio State University and then I went on to become the first African American American female to get tenure at Penn State University in Pennsylvania and then I went on to become the highest ranking professor. We're be women or female or African American or occasion. I was the highest ranking professor in my field so I have created history but what I know is that what I have done is so minor in comparison to what the kids coming up today can do. Our children are so incredibly really smart brilliant creative and innovative and tiny back to black history. That's exactly what black history represents if you look. Look at the history of African Americans or Africans. I should say what you see was a powerful creative determined group of people that regardless regardless and in spite of the circumstances achieved their freedom they left something that was really unpleasant for them and moved into something that was very unknown and very scary but they moved into a future where they have created cures for cancer cancer and science and entertainment all coming from that African American culture that has migrated not just to America but literally actually around the world we are the history makers of tomorrow and kids are two and here you are making history by helping ensure the kids can have themselves in their own toy box. Could you just tell folks. Where can they find your toys dolls? And where can they find you online. They can find the dolls at the fresh dolls dot com if they want to see more about me and what I what I do and and how I am driven to create dolls that reflect the beauty of all children. They can check me out at the D. R. 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Ep. 925 Troubling New Revelations About this Miscarriage of Justice

The Dan Bongino Show

51:12 min | 1 year ago

Ep. 925 Troubling New Revelations About this Miscarriage of Justice

"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show. That's not immune to the facts with your host. Dan Bongino, by one of the Dan Bongino show producer, Joe, how are you tonight? I know everybody's like this is like mandatory in the audio and TV business and everybody into even shot did it yesterday right on Sean show. So listen, I before we start I always say producer, Joe how are you today because you're my guy, but with me forever, but we have it on samba cast again today. Yes, we do. We have a Sulu over there. Blair. We have Spock in Linda, we actually I don't watch Star Trek. So I can't even name another crow McCoy in Ethan. Who's another? I don't even have another Jason Jason. You're just going to be Jason. So your crew ever Jason onto starship enterprise. We got a whole team of people at ice station Hannity here at Vietnam helping us out so thanks to them. Seriously. Guys are great. And ladies, Linda, I really appreciate it being one of the guys. I know you never mind, and we got great feedback on your initial appearance on his show the show did bonkers numbers. So we appreciate that. But thanks a lot. I was just making kind of a joke about how I'm overseas, and my wife, she's gonna kill me. Of course, my wife who I loved dearly. But she texted me about my fish who may be dying slow death at home. She's like, hey, do you have to feed this thing? What's I was like? Oh, yeah. Yeah. You do. It is not at battery operated. You gotta throw that sucker five pellets day. So don't what folks listen, we love that these fine. I'm kidding, my wife fed the fish 'cause I know I'll get but the fish is fine. But yes, it did bother me a little bit. The question. Do you have to feed this? It is not an. Nine volt. Fish that suckered needs actual pellets every day to get going. So he's doing good though. Ladies and gentlemen, he's doing good. Let me just put that out there. All right. So yesterday was a pretty crazy day in in Vietnam and keep keeping mind I'm losing track because we're twelve hours ahead of you. So when I say yesterday, I may I don't even know if I mean yesterday eastern time or yes, even Linda hasn't slept ipod nano studio at Linda's is an I said and she got mad at me. And I know you think 'cause I know you I popped the not is are like sunk in like she hasn't slept in four days. And I said man, you look like Philip place. And she's like, ooh, you walk in the room you in the room five minutes. And you look at me and go man you look like s and I'm like really learning. I probably not the best way to have. But she look I do he what your is your answer. I don't mean like ugly be by talking tonight. Just like not not good. I'm like, thank you. I get it. The the subtle auto diplomacy is not my. Thing. Different. Yeah. It's tough to sleep over here. Because it is the exact opposite of what I'm saying. I've been texted Joe and all kinds of crazy hours through so. Yeah. All right. I have to pay for the show. That's important. Joe nobody on the planet built like you. Good. Thank you. Why would you have messing with? Why would you would you know, Josie shape? Why would you buy generic mattress built for everyone else? You know? Everybody loves you. So people don't stop. We love Joe shows. The best helixsleep built a sleep quiz that takes minutes to complete. That's it. I have a helixsleep matches I told you the story it's Amelia's room, my daughter, my wife reads her book at night and a mattress is so comfortable that sometimes she totally racks out and doesn't even bother coming in which I ever a king. So sometimes I get that thing to myself like sleeping on a spaceship. Yourself to helixsleep has a sleep quiz, two minutes to complete and they use the answers to match your body type and sleep references to the perfect mattress. 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So story number one. Michael cohen. There's you know, the Democrats are just what what side or are these these lunatics on? So you have the president United States. He is on the ground here in in Vietnam and Hanoi having this summit with the North Koreans over a obviously, I think it's. You know, it's taught a logical just to say a very serious grave matter the threat of nuclear weapons and a potential attack on the United States if they've developed the technology to do so, and what are the Democrats decide to do they decide this is the opportune time to hold a hearing with President Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen for one purpose and one purpose only to humiliate in embarrassed President Trump, it make them look silly on foreign soil. Now, folks, this is pretty disgusting, but I can rant all day about this. But again, I don't want to waste your time. But there was an old expression that politics ends at the water's edge. Meaning when the president was overseas, we were all United in purpose. Mom that ended of course, with, you know, the the Dixie chicks going overseas and waste of love, by the way, Natalie. I used to love the Dixie chicks their first album was awesome. I probably just lost my man card there. But that's fine. Because I thought Natalie Maynes was was the cat's meow band that they were great and she goes overseas, and I was. A huge George W Bush fan, but she trashes them in a foreign concert. And it seemed like all the I don't know if that's just open Pandora's box. But it was all over after that. Now that you're holding congressional hearings to humiliate President Trump while he's meeting with a nuclear power of that's threatened to annihilate us where they have the capability or not, of course, it's questionable. But there's no the gravity of the situation is not in question is just disgusting. And it speaks to the question. What side of the Democrats really on? Anyway, if I'm a democrat now, I'm sorry. But I'm embarrassed my party's just really gross. It's just disgusting what they're doing. But ramp aside there's something going on in. This is a key. Takeaway a lot of people are missing here. The Coen testimony is going to be two segments. It's actually going to be three. But for our purposes going to be two separate boxes of testimony. The first box of testimony is going to be behind closed doors, and it's very very kind of sneaky what they're doing. I like to uncover this stuff the stuff they're putting behind closed doors with Cohen is the stuff. We were told was this was was going to take down the Kalou. This is it we got him. We got his lawyer the collusion stuff. He's colluding with the Russians. Now, Joe why is that behind closed doors, while the open testimony the second box testimony second tranche if things he's going to say have nothing to do with collusion. All they're going to be about his personal business. That's all going to be open for the public to see to openly humiliate the president where I'm sure Coen's going to go on about. And I don't trust this guy as far as I can throw them about payoffs, and you know, what he thinks her suspicious business dealings or whatever. I don't trust as far as I could Chuck this guy, and it ain't far, but that doesn't make any. Sense joke. Stopped me above you, the audience on budget. I'm with big scandal. Here is that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election. Why is that stuff? The stuff that's behind closed doors, while the humiliating personal details are the stuff they're going to broadcast out to the public. Probably all overseeing ended MSNBC will the answers very simple because the behind closed doors stuff as Byron York says an excellent Washington Examiner piece. It's in my show notes dot com. Subscribe the Email this launch right to you. The stuff Cohen has to say could potentially be scope attourney for Donald Trump on the Russia stuff. So just to be crystal clear on this. Yes. Yeah. And I'm gonna explain why. Because I'm not gonna leave you hanging here, folks. Remember that old joke? How do you? Keep an idiot suspense. I don't know. How like that's the joke. I won't leave you hanging. This colwin the whole purpose. Follow me, you the whole purpose for this entire special counsel investigation. How it came to arresting Cohen of vis-a-vis the special counsel. And then southern district of New York was this whole assertion that Trump colluded with the Russians that whole idea that he colluded with the Russias to steal the election was based on a dossier of which Michael Cohen is a central figure in player in that dossier. He is mentioned twenty four times two dozen times in the dossier. So I hope you're picking up when I'm putting down here reason Elijah Cummings, and these other guys are putting that stuff behind closed doors is because if Michael Cohen goes under oath, again, it a closed door testimony and entirely the the dossier cramps all over the dossier and says this thing is complete garbage. Do you want to stand? He will have completely exonerated Trump and made the entire committee. Look silly. Now, there's one key tentatives your regular center show. You probably know where I'm going with this already. Although Coen's mentioned twenty four times in the dossier. He is a key figure in this one mentioned where he allegedly goes over to Prague coordinates with a Russian connected official. You remember this? He coordinates and gives cash payments to this Russian official to get this this distraught of Hillary emails that have been hacked. Now, if that happened that would be a very serious potential crime. If what's the problem, folks, Coen's never been abroad. He's never been to. He has denied this repeatedly. Lanny Cohen who've Linda you've had on the Davis. I always say letting Lanny Davis never let a good crisis. Correct. Yes. Light of fat on the Hattie show with it. Now, let me ask you is let Davis a Republican. How Lenny Davis's the Clinton Easter on steroids? Lanny Davis Coen's lawyer, folks, he has repeatedly debunked this too. He Lanny Davis has zero interest less than zero interest right in promoting. Donald Trump is being innocent of any of this. He has already come out and said the central component to the dossier the whole basis for the prosecution of Trump for collusion is fake. Cohen has never been to Prague to set this thing up with emails or sold. Now. Do you see my point show? The reason they have him behind closed doors on the Russia's stuff is because it's scope Warri, and that they want to put out the nonsense tabloid National Enquirer stuff to embarrass Trump while he's negotiating with Kim Jong UN for a potential denuclearization deal on this peninsula. There's a way to fix this. But we have to call a guy named Vinny. What the hell is not where did you find? That is that when we go back to the conversation about I got a guy. He's Joe is always got it. He's got a guy. Joe Joe always does have a guy Joe is like the guy who has got. She do. That's good. I like that. All right. So enough on that. But folks, by the way, we are live streaming this on my Twitter, at dbongino, we're going to do a snippet of the show. So is the first time we've done this from ice station Hannity here in Hanoi. So you if you're on my Twitter at the bungee, and you can check it out actually live. So we've never done that before. So we got Blair here. Rocket with the technology stuff. I can turn on my iphone. Yes is the first time we've talked. For the first time. We all right. So they're gonna take away from that story is that the Democrats what side of they on when there's an opportunity to exonerate our president on false charges and have Cohen come clean on the prog thing they hide behind closed doors, and when they wanted to embarrass them in front of an international audience to talk about tabloid stuff. They got we'll put that stuff out in the open total complete frauds? All right. Let me get to this. Because I want to get rock and roll in some really important. So we add a point here to enter Jack. Now, of course, we were talking about this before, you know, the the American people voted for Donald Trump because of what they thought he could do because of his business skills. It absolutely nothing to do with anything else. They don't care who he sleeps with. They don't care what he did before he ever even thought about running for president. They don't care. You know, Linda, I I've said this before Joe Joe, what do we call this? Battlefield morality, right? Yeah. Yeah. We, you know, this from have it, and how long you been in this business. Linda fifteen years now, Joe you've been how long you been conservative radio. Little any years or so little over thirty. Yeah. You you've been around. Yeah. I don't wanna age anybody human. Also, this is so there's a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot of experience here. I asked you that for a reason you've lived through and you were on the air. Both of you Joe for few more for Republican presidents. I'm not knocking George W was a good, man. But I was not a big George W fan. Now. There was I know shrine the morally kind of upstanding, let's vote on this, and I'm not knocking trumpets. And I'm a Senator to I'm not getting I don't do these kind of moral judgments rent, but the point is we've tried this stuff. Like, let's vote for like, the the suave nice guy. Whatever may be. And you know what? Now, let's just be honest. We wanted nutcracker. We just do. I don't even the flow the bottom line is. You know, the nice guy is probably doing whatever he's doing behind closed doors to and you know, what I don't want to know about it. And I don't care how you don't know how to balance your checkbook, if you don't know how to make negotiations with world leaders. It really doesn't matter to me what you're doing with your dinky. Do it's none of my business joke here. Have you ever heard thinki- do? Yeah. From laffin. I believe. Yes. A long time ago. No, joe. And I call it battlefield morality how we have tried this before where we voted for the nice guy or the the polish guy or the eloquent guy. And what we got was crap we got continued funding Planned Parenthood, which by the way, Trump this week hit again trying to take funding away from Planned Parenthood. We've tried this before we're in a battlefield morality situation right now. And what I mean by that is when you're in the trenches with a guy and you're sitting next to him. Whereas if you were say in basic training, and the guy was, you know, texting his girlfriend while he's married. You may be like, dude, you know, let's do this is not cool, and it's still not. But when you're in a battlefield that a trenches. And you know, there's an opposing army headed your way. You're not like, hey, bro. That tweet you said you're like start shooting. Brewed and this we need someone with Trump to start fighting. And he's one of the first guys we've seen since possibly Reagan. Who was like, no. I just don't care what you say full. Steam ahead. Damn the. Torpedoes full Shree med full. Steam ahead. I agree with you. I I don't care about any of that bar. Example is Mitt Romney. Nobody voted for Mitt Romney. And then what happens we support them? And now we back doors. I mean that guy I know. But honestly, it's like there's the clean cut guy. My wife, I'm married for thirty years. Yeah. Nobody voted for any law. He got nobody cares. They just wanted to let you do business. Our show. But I remember a note do coffee delayed, effective mittens. I apologize. You didn't get that. I did it. So freaking though. But you've never heard that I have. But I don't know that whole moment right there. All right. Today's show brought to you. But he's a policy genius yesterday. Linda play. What are we talking about health insurance policy genius getting life insurance can feel like assemblies, assembling the world's worst, jigsaw puzzle? Is that through those it's confusing. It takes forever when you finally done. It doesn't even look cool. 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So I have this piece headline lead. I there's always the fix was in for Clinton. Now, you baby's, okay. Great, dan. That's it's not. But now we have the deeds on how this actually went down so Carlson gets his mitts on some testing. Tony from Tricia Anderson and Lisa page to higher up FBI lawyers about how the DOJ shut this thing down. And he throws a wrinkle in detail in this thing that it's just fascinating about how far they want to squash any investigations the Clinton, but. They were so stupid. They kinda miss something. Now. Wait before I tell you the story. Yeah. We're doing Hannity's radio show to develop me bar their studio. So where do where do like like he's bar in mind, you how did he stuff off the other way around? So I hang around afterwards. You guys are buddies either. She was funny. It was we had a good time. You say they bought like food cart. And it was great. It was like I have also put some pictures on my Instagram if you guys want to check it out, but we're all sitting here talking and who's I talking to Kristen or Tom or somebody and the and Dan Hoffman who is here. And we were talking about how I heard this line was by father Bob Sirri, co I use often who spoke at the act in his studios listen on C span one day. And he said, it's not the government is too big. It's like government is too stupid. And he's right. When I tell you this Rickel about what the FBI this. You're gonna be like is this for real? So let me get right to. So the FBI when they applied for search warrants to access Hillary Clinton's computers and computer devices and the devices of our staff for the emails, she ran over a personal server. You tracking? Yeah. They had to get a search warrant. To get those emails. Not no big surprise there. They use the very specific charge which was eighteen US siege stands for United States code. That's the criminal code eighteen USC seven Ninety-three f so follow me here, folks. This is going to be a little complicate. But his promise you it's worth your time. When they applied for a search warrant, they went to a judge and said, we need to access these emails based on a potential violation of eighteen USC seven ninety three. That charge is basically the trafficking insensitive information and f is the gross negligence statute. In other words, Joe the subsection of the crime, which indicates that whether you did it intentionally or not, right? If your behavior was quote, grossly negligent, you're guilty. Now. That's they laid it out in front of a judge. This is the crime, we think was committed. Therefore, we need a search one now, ladies and gentlemen, don't have to be a lawyer to figure out that if you want to get a search warrant you have to lay out in a search warrant some very specific things when I was. When I was a federal agent, you have to lay out where the property is going to be you had to describe it. Let's say I was searching home if say, it's a White House or the white picket fence with three windows in the front door. It looks like this, and it has a roofer you have to lay out a very specific locate you can't just do what you there's no open. Search warn dissolve. I want to search more for Joel. Because for what I don't know something that's not the way our system works. They were very specific about not only the place. They wanted to search the computers and he described them. They were also very specific which you have to be about what crime you can't just say I want to search one why I don't know because Joe got a bad haircut this week. So I want to search for scissors at his house. You don't roll that way? That's not. No, you're not getting you lay out a crime. So they lay out even the subsection. They think Hillary Clinton's team traffic insensitive information, and they were grossly negligent. Now, what's fascinating about this whole thing is these idiots must forgot. Forgot what they put the search warrant because the DOJ Jeff Carlson says in the epoch times piece in my show notes today Bongino that contract about Carlson gets his mitts on his testimony. Where this congressman starts asking Bill price. Step who is keep in mind. You price dip is you've heard his name often you. Yep. He is this higher up. I think it's precept precept precept. I always say price steps I was pronounced everybody's here. But right. It's a it's a very very under disgust person. And he's like he's Lynch pin a whole thing because he's running the whole he strokes boss, and he's responding directly to anti McCabe. So price priest. See I'll say it wrong thousand three. Pre step is in front of a congressional committee under oath these asked by this congressman about a short folks that Carlson gets his mitts on and at the had in the in the on the capital of you're hearing from the DOJ that sent over to the FBI, and this chart specifically excludes excludes charges, they can use the charge Hillary Clinton and one of the excluded charges. A little words do not do this is the gross negligence statute. Oh, oh, isn't that cute? So they can search warrant approved by the department of Justice approved by a court. Approved by judge. Every search want us to go in front of a judge has to be read and sworn to we believe there's probable cause this crime seven Ninety-three f gross negligence was committed yet. Once the OJ gets wind of it. Loretta Lynch, THEO chase sends a chart over that's specifically leaves out gross negligence. So this congressman pulls this chart up this guy Brighton back. Two pre step, and he starts asking about it. Let me read you what Carlson get his mitts on. You. We see in this chart that the DOJ is not willing to charge this meeting eighteen seven Ninety-three f hey, my questions going back to those draft affidavit. He's talking about the search warrant if DOJ is not willing to charge statute, why would the FBI in an affidavit used the same statute as a Predication to obtain a search warrant if the statute was never going to be prosecuted? That's a lot of lawyer talk for what the hell were you charging him with you weren't going to charge him with it? So free step obviously precept caught off guard. Again, the I think pre step is singing. I think that's why he's been left out of the criminal prosecutions. I'm reasonably confident that he's the one let's say. Telling tales, and I think that's why he's been left out of a lot of things so precept response. So so he's like this. This is like stuttering through this. He's a so so I don't know who put this together and use this language. So the congressman responds well, someone in the FBI general counsel's office. Did he says? Yeah. No, no. I trust you there. But I don't know why they again put it together. I don't know why they use this language DOJ not willing to charges. You don't. So I'm going to give you two questions here. I'm going to send we're gonna go a little round, Robin. Okay. We'll get this is going to be a sample and unscientific survey of general public opinion about what we think really happened to you. Do you think Linda option that the DOJ sense this chart over to the FBI specifically scooting the only chargeable crime? They put the search war because they didn't feel like they had the evidence or be because you think the deeply connected Democrats inside the department of Justice wanted to give Hillary Clinton pets. Just throw something out there just throw it on. I mean, listen, I have a lot of thoughts on this. And one of them is the fact that, you know, rod Rosenstein, former deputy G is married to, you know, Lisa Barsumian. I get a lot of emails haven't mentioned out onto going to apes out. There you go Leeson Barsumian is a very under disgust person. Because she's the wife of DOJ, you know official. But you know, she also is an attorney she represented Bill Clinton as a United States attorney, and she has dealings with both Hillary and Bill Clinton she also has dealings in representing Robert Mueller. So the fact that our deputy G is married to somebody who represented the Clintons as well as represented molar, whether it be in an official capacity for the United States, or maybe she had some personal off the record consulting. I don't know. But I think there's something there. I'm going to render a guest that you're going with be. Player and just throwing it out diet. Sounds that way. Okay. All that. And I got be ladies. I, of course, a producer Joe out of respect for for you and your position your exalted position within the show exalt forever and position Reverend. Is it option that they really couldn't find anything? There was no chargeable crime on Hillary or option, b you think they were giving them a political pass because the Clintons the Clintons were the exalted wants, Jim I'm going to go with option B for three hundred what is p for three hundred inappropriate jeopardy worded language. Armacost thing thing we have two out of three but for the sense of unanimity and consensus, Mr Blair, oh, exalted one of Bongino dot com. Thank you. Yes. At the ball a Blair axis of power on GO dot com. I know how Paulo would answer I married to her. So I don't need to get Paul on. Maybe I should call it. But how old on that's do this own flair? But we get to you. I say while you're still my you're going to say I want her to call me right now. I'm just gonna at this. We're going to this. So we have three Ps now that this was probably a politically motivated decision. Right. Three. Blair, everybody gets it Impala calls where. Going to get a for for for this. Always complete his being the fish right now. She's busy. She sent me. Sorry. Harry fish funeral. She just sent me a cryptic taxed. I don't know what this means fish died. No. Cryptic that. Would mean actually the fish really did die. So the congressman asked some additional questions to just to follow up and close the loop on this. So the back says I can stipulate that we've seen drafts of search warrants submitted to the eastern district Virginia to obtain material and the Clinton case so precepts as well. Okay. And he says based on those search warrants the Predication with eighteen USC seven ninety three f-. In other words, ladies and gentlemen, the fix was in from the start. They never had any intention whatsoever of charging Hillary and the news. So you don't think I'm just some Rando here bringing up some dopey topic at a nowhere. You have to have the info on the Clintons. Yes. Of course, we knew that's not the story that the fix was in. It's the lead. But it's not the story. The Dietz matter folks, you're going to argue with your liberal friends Vic the fix that ad. What are you talking about g was't Kilty really because they got a search warrant on a charge? They specifically excluded from actually charging. That's the takeaway. The search warrant said. Seven Ninety-three f gross negligence the DO Jason overcharging. Do not charge them with seven Ninety-three f-. Does that sound like Justice to you? Of course, it doesn't. You know, I tweet out every day. Like collusion's for him. Bacillus? Don't be an imbecile distort dopey dopey on this. They sent out specifically a chart do not charge him with the charge. We're actually charging him with ridiculous. Hey, so a little on the ground here stuff in North Korea. Have we are not in North Korea. We were in annoy about north. I have a little note here not in North Korea. Not been in prison by the North Koreans. They would let me do a podcast anyway. So Linda, you you're here that you guys are here. So that traffic here is is crazy. It reminds me when I was in Indonesian, and seemingly everybody has a moped. Yeah. The mopeds. And I thought they were like scooter scooter scooter same thing. Yeah. Like Vespas looking every would you say eighty percent of the vehicles are yawned? And the weird thing about it is there's almost no traffic control at all. But nobody hits anyone. Okay. So yesterday Lehrer was writing said something to me, and he goes the seemingly chaotic but yet perfectly coordinated Ryan's of the I was like, dude. That's the best way to say Blair is an organized chaos. It's not like when you first see it. It looks like we're yesterday the traffic that goes with just a suggestion MIR's. Oh, I haven't even get a traffic signal yet. So I don't I have it says don't walk now. You'll die. Nobody does know. So oh, yes. They do. It's like really scared game, a frog. Well, not I haven't actually witnessed it. But when I was in Indonesia, I remember the same thing. It's like because there's no traffic control everybody super aware of what the other person is doing. And it's almost like they have this collective like board like hive mind and traffic where the guy in the scooter knows what the other and it's just insane. I'm gonna try to get one of the people at FOX one of the executives has a time lapse video of an intersection. It's guy John if I can get it from him. I'm gonna put it on my Instagram. It is killer. You're going to be like how the time lapse is over like an hour. You're going to be how did nobody get killed there? There's no traffic at all. And there are thousands of mopeds. So I'm only telling you because I'm getting some questions about some color on the ground. But it's like, I got a nice compliment. Thanks to Joe and Linden the team and everyone else about the sound quality the show. And they said, what am I travelling with how I'll put a picture of Blair's traveled with essentially looking like a military Connex box of you know, if you had if you were like a green beret unit taking over a small town. That's the kind of Blair so much stuff in this room. And the show sounds good. Because this is like a ten billion dollar studio. So the behind the scenes story to that. Which you may you may have heard we were on Sean show. The other day is that we have six cases of gear. The gear allowable allowable weight is thirty two kilos kilograms or whatever the heck it is. And literally we had to unpack each of our gear bags because we have so much gear. We have you know, we have one regular system, and then a redundant system. So that when one takes a crap we've got another one the back it up, but we had so much gear. I had to pay extra money just to get the gear on the plane, which so you have here because I was getting all these questions we have for our e twenty Mike's iota those compressors. Yeah, we got actually got compressors. We got to mixing hordes three. This battery backup we who battery back even brought our LX like sound protection. So the reason to show sounds good. And I deeply appreciate your comments on much. But I did get a question. A guy emailed me. He's like how did you do that? And the answer is I didn't I travel with an I MAC and a microphone when I travel, but they don't mess around. And this is this is the show if you listen later, so make sure you tune into Hannity show three PM eastern. It's the same studio. We're doing the same show. That's why I don't go anywhere. Just wait for show hundred committed. We all just hang out. Heck out and it's the middle of the night here saying. Doc out shows Linda's like us your show here. So that's why it sounds so good. But some funny happened yesterday. So I go over at in the morning here, which is the night to remember. We are exactly the opposite of eastern time. So Shawn's nine PM eastern Hannity show on FOX's at nine in the morning. So I do my show. We Sean does his radio show. I go back to hotel for a few hours. And then I bounce over to the j w Marriott where they're in Hanoi with doing the show. So I'm in the control room. They have set up for FOX. And I could see like there's a hustle and bustle, and it's reminded me of when I was in the secret service, everything in the secret service's hurry up and wait. Oh, everything's like. And it all of a sudden, it's hurry. Hurry up. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. And it just reminded me the issue of like what's going on? So and I'm not I'm not speaking on attorney Burke is on the show. Sean stuck in traffic. Joe, it's I'm not even kidding. It's like eight thirty five PM shot. Is it try it? Like, I don't be traffic. I IB like traffic. No. No bottle anywhere and they're looking around. And they're like, I don't know. What is he can even make it for the show? So he stuck in his car. And if you watch the show us that you saw this legit videos on a joke like, Sean, you gotta take a scooter. They pick some random guy at a street scooters on jumps on the back of his scooter. And he gets there with like twenty minutes to spare you have to see the video. So yeah, get this text from Sean and his assistant, and I'm like is this like Photoshop is. This a joke. I'm like, you guys kidding. And he's like dude this happened to be right now. And he was so, you know, listen, I listened Sean loves motorcycles. Nobody knows Sean better than Lyndon. Sean has just gregarious personality think he'd come in all like really of set an angry at all fire. Crazy get reality. Nope. Cable thought it was the funniest thing you'd say put that out this show. Everybody get it on a show. So he's just a good guy. I just want to throw that out there. And I'm not just saying 'cause he's let me use it studio. These really it was just such a great experience. Okay. I wanted to move on Bernie Sanders that is CNN townhall last night the biggest fraud in politics right now. Bernie, I mean it he's not the sleaziest that's Adam Schiff in swallow. Well, but he is the biggest fraud. He says he's a socialist Jones three homes as a nice car is probably worth close to a million dollars. It makes him a total complete fraud. So Sanders was on CNN last night. And I want you to listen to the way this total fraud dances around a question asked of him a very specific question. Are you going to be allowed under the Bernie Sanders socialist healthcare system to keep the insurance policy? You have now or not simple. Remember, Obama, even radical far left? Oh, Bob was like if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. Listen away. Bernie does a little dance around this question. Play that Senator let's talk a little bit about. Medicare for all because about half of Americans, as you know, they're insured by their employer like, Lance. According to a recent Gallup poll seventy percent of these people with private health insurance, their plans they liked their plans. They think their plans are good will these people be able to keep their health insurance plans their private plans now through their employers. If there is a Medicare for all program that you endorse luck. They will what will change in laya plans is the color of their cod. So instead of having a Blue Cross Blue shield cod instead of having a United health insurance card. They're going to have a Medicare cod that Medicare called will allow them to go to any doctor that they want they're going to the doctor happy any hospital they want, but you know, what else they're not going to be paying any private insurance premiums. If they are seniors we all going to expand Medicare benefits to cover dental care, which is not covered for seniors hearing aids and. Glasses. There will be comprehensive healthcare. People can go to any doctor dentist or a hospital. They like their health insurance plan they won't be able to keep their health insurance. Both nobody this business of liking your health insurance plan, which by the way, employers change every single year people like their doctors. They liked the hospitals like like the cab. They're getting our Bill, in fact, right now, if you weren't a particular program, you may not be able to go to the doctor that you want. Our our program will allow you wanted to digital private health insurance beyond Medicare for all. Would they be allowed to purchase that kind of health insurance? Our Bill covers all. Healthcare needs. All if people want cosmetic surgery, for example. Yes, of course to get private insurance. Wow. You know, I almost reluctantly have to give Bernie credit for that was one of the finest dances around. I made it. I'm not even I don't agree with it. But from a strict tactical perspective, he must've rehearsed that with a focus group. Oh my gosh. A hundred two hundred times what a perfect way to never answer. The question was simple. Wolf Blitzer estimate. Straightforward question. Can I keep my health insurance plan? I advocate people keep it or not. So he never answers. So he says two things that she just three takeaways from this. Takeaway number one. He says, well, it's not about that. It's about the color of your card. I'm surprised they're making a race thing. You're racist. You surprise me to go right to identity politics. And you're definitely a racist. If you don't support Medicare with the wrong color because right to it's not about that. It's about the color of your insurance card. It's gonna change from this color to a Medicare colored. Okay. That's not what I asked. I didn't ask you. If the color of the card is going to chase ask you if we can keep our health insurance. So he he in a genius tactical shift like this fraud is to be an expert at this. He doesn't answer the question because the question answer would be grossly unpopular to probably upwards of seventy to eighty percent of the population. The answer is no you can't keep your insurance under socialist breadline, Bernie's socialist Medicare system. So he goes right to own oceans the color of the court. Then he this is I mean, this is like tier one level trolling of people right here. He says, no it's not about that people like their doctors. And you know, you gotta be able to go to your doctor notice what he did. But he did there. This is slick. As a family friendly show. He makes it out. He disconnects the health insurance. You have that you like which enables you to see your doctor from your doctor himself or herself a genius move notice. How mentally it gets you away from wait? Wait, I'm gonna lose my plan. But he automatically refocuses on you. But don't worry. It's your doctor. You're going to be able to see there's no guarantee you that. How does Bernie no that I can guarantee you one thing that an incredibly large number of doctors and hospitals will shut down under this Bernie Sanders system because a doctor's time like food water and everything else is a scarce resource. It has to be allocated. It can only be allocated one of two ways you'll get a Nobel prize in economics. If you can tell me third way, by the way, I put this question out for five years doing the show. No one's ever emailed me a third way to allocate scarce resource, you can price it or you can ration it. That's it. You can either price it or you can ration it. Meaning doctors time is going to be rationed under a non-price government run system. If the only way folks there is no other way. So what Bernie does he disconnects you from the insurance and the doctor, and he makes it about the doctor, but he leaves out the part where it's your insurance. Now that Naples you to see the doctor you like that may be how you actually found your doctor. You want to stand the tier one bubble trolling. This is genius. He never answers the question that your insurance that makes you that allows you to see your doctor, and I was going to go away. But instead of getting you all packed buddy. But don't worry you'll be able to see your doctor. He has no way of knowing that none. It's not possible. One more thing. I want to bring up about this clip because it's important. Bernie keeps talking about this. It's a myth. It's a myth. We've the bunk. Joe you you probably tired of hearing it right now. Matt palumbo. My resident the bunker on the website on the bunk section as the bunk. This sixty days from Sunday. There's a talking point Democrats are out there that needs to be on your tip of your tongue to immediately counteract and breakdown or else you'll fall prey to it too. And it's this, oh, listen, we can get rid of the administrative cost because Medicare's more efficient notice what he says. They're Ernie says in the clip he says, there's a private insurance premium what he's suggesting there is that free market private health insurance costs more because the administrative costs are more. But there's a little trick. Here. Here's the trick. They do when you see it. You'll see why a lot of people get scammed by this. They're not talking about the administrative costs of private insurance versus Medicare and government shorts. Overall, when they say, oh, the government does a better job. In the administrative cost of lower with. They're talking about is the percentage of costs spent on healthcare as a function of the overall cost of the medical bills. So let me just give me an example. Joe? I know you're tired of you've heard this some in the audience may not have heard this because they common talking point. If the healthcare costs for private insurance overall for everyone of the country. It's use round numbers one hundred one hundred dollars and the administrative costs overhead right that the administrative staff, and whatever we're ten dollars. Then the percentage of healthcare costs that go to administration and private health could be ten percent out of one hundred. But if they spent the same ten dollars in the government on administrative costs, but the amount of money spent on the healthcare of that population is a thousand dollars all the sudden the healthcare costs are what one percent oh. Chou the government managed to save money because they're only one percent of healthcare costs. They may say, Dan, you just made their point. Na na. No, no, no, no. I'm not done. The government is never more efficient. Okay. Look don't make me laugh you ever been to the DMV. Like gimme a break. What was the last time? You said, wow. This government. You really do a great job. Not get it out of the park. What a great job on the bureaucracy side. The answer is sometime close to never you've never said that the way this works folks is who does the government insure well Medicare is a large swath of the government spending on healthcare Medicare covers who Joe did they cover five year olds and six year olds. No, no, of course, not if you have a thousand dollars in medical bills because there's an older sicker population via Medicare, you're insuring. And the administrative bills are the same or even more or even twenty dollars or thirty dollars not ten dollars. Of course, it's gonna. Oh, look like the government spent less money on administration as a percentage that's not the case at all. They're just ensuring an older sicker population. When you actually put the numerator denominator denominator. She's me in context and you've control for the health status of the population. The government's administrative costs are off the charts. It's not even close to private insurance. Folks, you have to be a moron to believe that the government bureaucracy somehow has figured out a way to be more efficient than a free market private insurance industry. I mean, are you insane? Who actually believes that this has to be able to roll off the tip of your tongue? No. When someone says to you. Well, the government's administrative costs are far cheaper than the private sector you go. Well, how did you measure that? Well, as a percentage or you may have to take most liberals, I'm sorry. But they're really dopey. You may have to tell them what they're saying. Because they don't usually no just say what you're saying is you're saying as a percentage of the overall healthcare spending, correct the liberal typically won't know. But if. They do know they'll say, yes, that's what I'm saying. Well, are you controlling for the health status? What do you mean? They don't know what controlling means. A lot of them who claim to be really controlling. These are are are you extemporaneous variables like extremes of controlling for them. Are you controlling for the health status of the population to make sure you're not spending more on those people there for the percentage of administrative costs looks lower just because it's an older and sicker population. No, he didn't do. Of course, you're a liberal. Therefore, you're a defacto moron. Because when you control for that, it's obvious the government didn't do anything. But you see this. This is why I live to do this stuff at just to give you a little idea where I heard this. What are the best ways to debunk liberal talking points? Just to watch the Saturday shows go to FOX put onto Saturday shows and watch the liberal debates because they all come in. I don't know if they prepare on Saturday night through something like board collective hive mind, but they'll come out with their talking points on the Saturday shows, and I heard that about five years ago on a Saturday show, and I immediately went to Google and I put in. Myth that government administrative costs are lower on healthcare. And there were about one hundred articles from heritage. It's so easy to it's nonsense. So now, you have it it's only because it's an older sicker population. And therefore, of course, the percentage is gonna look lower. It's not says all right one more point. And we'll wrap it up for the day. So I got a great Email from a guy yesterday. And he's like, you miss something on the Alexandria, Casey Cortez and a couple of days ago, we hit this this tweet. She sent out where she was like celebrating the idea that she's wasting your money. She's like, I pay my entry level staffers. Fifty two thousand dollars a year a Mike congressional staff because I want everybody to have a living wage. Okay. Number one. You are not paying anything. We are fascinating. How she distributes other people's money, and it celebrates it's actually coming in our pocket. Wow. You've paid your staffer fifty two thousand that's really nice now. I know people, you know, what his office and others who have given their own money to other people, but she's giving away taxpayer money, but another point on that is well, isn't that kind of a slap in the face to experience staffers of work their whole careers to get a better salary for the valuated skills. They bring to our office who now have to accept the same entry level salary as an intern who got their first job that's kind of a little bit of a punch in a gut if you're rational sane person. But again, we're talking about the Democrats. I know that's a bridge too far. But a guy sends me an Email was beautiful. It was just awesome. He's a Q missed the biggest point of all he says, why isn't she paying herself that I said, yes, brother, the doodoo semi of. Sorry. I forgot your name. You are genius. I tweeted that out last night. I don't know if you saw it. I forgot it. We emailed me this. I was like I was trying to give I really Jedi like, but you know, who you are. Because you said that is a point he's like, a she was a real socialist that she should have paid herself. The fifty two thousand two and I added a little kid, but at the end of the tween. From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs. Right. That's the communist manifesto, and that's the socialist credo, babe. That's it. So from each according to does she should only need fifty two thousand she just said that's a living wage, right? Joe? So why is she getting paid what one hundred seventy four thousand? So I would like everyone to tweet be cool about it. You know, the tweet she's at UC tweeter and ask her why she's not accepting the fifty two thousand dollars. She's determined to be a sufficient wage to live from each according to her abilities to each according to need yet. Let's do it. Let's come on g should take it too. If she's a legit socialist. She should take the fifty two thousand dollars that was a genius point. Absolutely stellar. So the dude who sent that. You are awesome. You get the well, we've got a contest coming up eight send you something because I like you. So that was one of the best I read, my that thing was awesome. I read that. And I'm like why did? I miss that on the show. A tweet of that was an ode to you, buddy. All right house. A lot of contact. We were at this. Really for what it's worth. I'm really job. We don't really do these on samba operations. But I'll keep you updated on the status of negotiations here. Let me just one final thing before we go. I I haven't even spoken about the North Korean negotiations yet. Listen. Everybody needs to take a chill pill on this. I don't know any easier way to say it. They're pressuring Trump to leave this place with some kind of hard declaration. You know, I'm not a golden calf worshiper, folks. But let's be candid here Reagan's negotiations with Gorbachev took a very long time. And not only did they take a long time. There were some major steps back in some major failures there before we ultimately saw the break up of the Soviet Union were they're dealing with it too radical dictator here if we can come out of this with some accounting full accounting of the nuclear capabilities of the North Korean regime. Remember, we don't even know how many nuclear weapons they have. I've seen any estimate from ten to thirty. We have no idea about their capability on reentry, which is important. It's important because if the if the weapon can't make it back to the atmosphere and burns up you'd have an atmospheric detonation, I can have an actual human out detonation at all it's on everything. But it's important and accounting of their storage facilities where they're keeping this stuff if we can get that. And we take the danger level from a nine to an aide. Then folks that's a marginal improvement. And the people on the left and off come out of here with a deal. What can it? I'm tired of you idiots. These are the same people supported giving the Iranians pallet full of cash while they were chanting death to America. The hard pass. No, thanks. I'll keep you updated. As we hear stuff on the ground. And of course, I give you some color commentary from what it's like, you're all right. Thanks again for tuning in, folks. I really appreciate it. Please subscribe to the show on I tunes. It is free. If you have a phone, right? Wes should go to the podcast app. Click. 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Plant pests with J.C. Chong-A Way To Garden With Margaret Roach November 11, 2019

A Way to Garden with Margaret Roach

26:04 min | 9 months ago

Plant pests with J.C. Chong-A Way To Garden With Margaret Roach November 11, 2019

"From awaited Gordon Dot Com and Robin Hood Radio Dot Com. This is a way to garden with Margaret Roach. Your weekly invitation to dig in and grow in an issue of his pest talks enewsletter. Not long ago. Today's guest wrote something that I really he loved. I often consider ignorance the most serious pest of plants said JC Chong and entomologist from Clemson University. More in a minute on how he advises us to become smarter. Observers ahead of when trouble is brewing in our gardens but I this message underwriting support from timber. Press your go-to resource for books and gardening and nature. Whether you're gardner a professional at the top of your field or reader interested in the wonders of the natural world. Their books are there to help you. GROW TIMBER PRESS DOT COM. JC Chong has worked at Clemson since two thousand seven and his assistant professor running. Its turf and ornamental. Entomology Research and Extension Program He also writes the pest talks newsletter. That's part of the suite of magazines and newsletters from ball publishing geared to horticulture industry professionals. And that's it's where I I got to know his foot but today we get to talk in real life so welcome. JC thanks for making time. Hey Margaret how you today. Okay so I I thought maybe just a little background You know as a longtime garden writer. I've I've read trade publications for time and as I said in the intro. That's how I got to learn about how chew but a little bit about what you do at Clemson and then including the role you play in doing the past talks newsletter sure I'm a professor at Clemson University with A research station appointment in turf and ornamental and the molly so basically what I do is dealing dealing with. Basically Developing Pass Management Program for growers of Turf Grass and wanted mental plans. It could be in the garden. It could be it is thought from greenhouse nursery golf courses right about anything right. And how long have you been doing the newsletter for ball. Then we are going into second year That's pretty exciting. It's very funny now. You wouldn't think that something that's about about the latest horrible creature disease to be to be known or some new protocol spray protocol or something like that there would be. It could be funny but you managed to have fun with it too and keep it entertaining. So congratulations on that. Where thank you well? If it's always my philosophy in some way to try if people have to listen to me might as well make it funny exactly. People can't pay attention to somewhere. Yeah so as I said in the introduction I love the advice and it was a couple of months ago maybe in one edition of the newsletter. He said I often consider ignorance the most serious pest list of plants and and I just thought maybe in reaction to something someone else had written about volcano mulching. And maybe we should tell people what that is but yes so so. Tell me a little about that. So that particular quo actually come from an issue. I wrote about volcano king. I don't know I'm sure you're familiar with volcano mulching. Basically the practice of folks piling up that much right up to the trunk of the tree three making it really thick almost like volcano as what we call it. Okay no mulching yes and you know a lot of time. What the reason why why I say that England is you know the biggest pass in some way is that even though volcano mulching looks very nice? Buddy would actually lead to a lot of issues down the road and one of the biggest issue is actually that it it kind of increased humidity level. Right Right Right Yeah Trung wrong and cause a lot of trunk decay and they kind of issues and being basically we're doing things that seems to make sense eh one point but is not as xactly Beneficial to plant at all right. And sometimes it's it's really driven strictly by I now use this. It's probably derogatory term. But this sort of Mohan blow mentality of quote yard maintenance which is you know that just make it look tidy. So the homeowner homeowner feels. They've gotten some service that Tuesday at ten in the morning or whatever you know what I mean it sits just put out put on the edge that but also also you know I think it kind of goes both way I think a lot of homeowners. Oh also could use a lot of education as far totally what along supposed to look like. Yeah totally agree. So we don't want to Pile mulch up the neck of the trunk of the base of the trunk of a tree sued that we're creating these moist conditions and so forth and so that was one example that you were you. Then you know said ignorant brought the ignorance. It's close crow quote and another sort of wisdom. I have gleaned from your newsletter You know I loved that you acknowledge that you even you sometimes need help with insect ide- You know that that it isn't the not every. Potential potential past or insects appear is known to all of us even an expert. Like yourself right so How can we become less ignorant unearned? And how can we avail ourselves more especially as home gardeners that are the audience that we're speaking to today. You know what would you advise. People do to sort of open open up their minds to more learn Right well That's not really a whole lot of trick to it. It's really a willingness to learn more about what your garden it's about You know Re read up go to the website By several gathering bogue just just to see what may be out there and most of the time in the garden the pest species that we deal with You know relatively few but once in a while they may be some Something surprising coming up. You Know Oh and when it comes to those kinda surprising cases Your local station age Agent is definitely one of a good resource to help you identify by any kind of problem that you have so For instance at Clemson do. Is there a lab that people submit samples to or call Dan or does that type of services because in the old days it used to be more widespread that people knew about their county extension. Even you know having held a hotline nine and things like that and some of those have been eliminated budget cuts and so right. There's there's the unfortunate thing is that you know what was available years ago. It may not be available now by most of the states still have a plan. Diagnostic clinic run by the university or the station service. Yes and those are the clinics that you can send in samples and they'll be able to tell you what might be wrong with it. Whether it's the disease insects or a biotic factors or anything like that usually those clinic would run with would diagnose the problem for you for C. Those are usually pretty minimal for example at Clemson University We have a Clinton called the plan problem clinic. o what is called planned pass. Diagnostic Lab They they they. They run a sample. That's usually about ten or twenty dollars depending on what it is so is is pretty minimal and the best thing about it is that not only do you get noses you'll also getting pest management advice to deal with that particular probably yourself and those of is. Are you know because they comes from this station. So it's The research base They're coming from specialize that know something about those pass To give you the device the blessed I would imagine. There is a benefit in the other direction. If we as citizens use our extension the extension knows when things. These are percolating out there in the area you do. Do you know what I mean. They may have taken reports pass store disease occurrence. I would imagine extension Sorry you'd be a very good as I'm actually what We we have a recent case of that because we have A. Ah I'm not familiar. Everybody's really Creighton model bark scale scaring sex. Ed Tech Crepe myrtle and you know we recently founded in South Carolina and that particularly station was actually alerted by a homeowner to one of ice station. Agent is so home in a lot of time If you know what you're typically dealing with that's what I'm saying if you know what you're typically dealing with some types of something pricing coming up a when dad come out you know you you can always call and gas station agents to help you and then you know in some way you're actually helping dumb detecting some of the new best as popping up. Yes I grew up on long long island in early in my career. I was the garden editor at Newsday newspaper on Long Island and we worked closely with our county. Extension agents in Suffolk and Nassau County. The plant pathologist Pala Gist and I knew all these people in early in my career and I think that's why my inclination is always to send a sample or always to inquire not two guests. You you know if I have a A conifer that has some other than normal looking Needle Browning and like okay if I see. Interior Needles Browning in late summer early fall in my area on most conifers. I know they're shedding they're doing. They're shedding and different species. In general species these have different rates of shed and so forth those inner needles away. But if I see something else and I don't know I'm not just going to go. Oh well maybe it's nothing you. Do you know what I mean or make up a diagnosis. I wanted absolutely for example. Some of the one of one of the Pest species they were young conifers. Sometime is a sprint Gall Mitch. Yes and that created something very similar to other diseases. Basically is you know slacking off the terminal. And there's several diseases. Jesus that could cost the same thing so if you just go in thinking that oh well it's one of those disease well can spray function site that you're not solving your problem it all because it doesn't kill you right vice versa right right exactly. So I'm I like I said I want to in a wanted you you to encourage us as a person who works with A university extension to encourage us. Because I think people can't believe it's okay to Pester you know the university and send a sample but I think it's a good idea We love it when folks caught up. Yeah it takes a special kind of people to be one want to be in opposition and a Lotta time. We ought to kind of folks that just wanted to help. Yeah Yeah so and then there are also in in a more casual manner. There are online diagnostic tools for example. Not Not about Well there are ones for diseases to but for instance. If you see an insect I mean I you know I love of bug-eyed dot dot net For instance you know I can upload a photo and I don't WanNa pastor them they're all volunteers I don't WanNa pass through them and barrage them. I want to try to keep it out myself if I can Dan. I do my homework but if I can't figure it out well I ll ask. And you know what I mean or naturalist dot Org people can at least try to avail themselves selves And then do a little homework once they have a rough a rough idea maybe So that's an I you know. I'm surprised at how few people do that. They're too busy piling on volcano. Mulch those those actually two very good resources in fact Essay Professional entomologist. Even I would go about guy just see what in the world I'm looking at sometimes Just just to confirm that what I'm looking at. What what I think it is is indeed what it is? Yeah Yeah So I mean for one example. That just passed by late summer early. Fall up north where I am People will they see I don't know how you would describe them but like Uh Cocoons Cocoons Like webs well it's full web worm but they think it's eastern tent Caterpillar which we don't have in the fall all we have it in the spring like that's the wrong but do you know what I mean. It's like the clothing near-miss people have in their mind. It's all one thing and it's the wrong approach You know. Do you get both of those there in sure we got we got. We got both species off to Leonard for show you my neck of the wood like you say for web worm Houston Tent. Caterpillars just showed up at different times of the year. So just by looking at time you can usually usually figured out what it might be That's pretty true for a lotta insect species as well which is if you mentioned the time and also look at what what kind of host plan. They're feeding all time. We can make a pre educated guess as far as what the problem might be. Yeah so those are two. Those are two the the timing and host plant are two other pieces of information to have when you go ask for that. bug-eyed held road ever. Yeah oh point good point In recent years it seems like every five minutes there's sort of a much feared new sort of invasive species making the headlines Anson And and I say new you know maybe in quotes because a lot of times it turns out. They've been around a long time like they've been in the country since nineteen forties but they haven't become a serious Serious an issue like Emerald ash borer spot Atlantic spotted lantern flat. Whatever so many of these? How is an entomologist? And someone I mean. Is this what people ask you about all the time. I am now these headline ones or oh yeah. They asked me about the headline once. And sometimes it's just common everyday one to But but you shade ahead. What headline grabbing ones? What people most interesting of course are are there? Are there ones that. Have your particular particular attention once that you're the most concerned about or Kind of on your radar. Well a Lotta Times. They kind of depends on what I'm working on for at least a garden and ornamental plans in in my area where we're really Keeping eye out for spider linton mm fly While we could see In your way in Pennsylvania area They could cause serious serious issues. in both production and also on just you know being a nuisance pest A Lotta Times. Tell us one thing that we're looking at and we're pretty concerned concerned about simply because It could easily hitch high on a lot of vehicle coming up and down in the state So when you get down here it you know. The environment's probably favorable for them to have huge population as well tell us a little bit background about the spotted lantern fly. Hi It's not something I've talked about on this show before and again it seems to be. It's an eerily beautiful insect so that's especially creepy When you see pictures of it do you know what I mean? It's probably one of the most beautiful insects ask that I have no It's a pre for Speidel. Well insurance is actually a kind of plant hoppers or three hoppers But you know we have a lot of different species of by the lenten fly three hoppers. Yes fuck none of them are as beautiful as as Linton five Just have that gray okay. Great background with a bright red and black DOTS and Y SPA. Then there's just beautiful and It was recently discovered in Pennsylvania and slowly spreading out to the surrounding state and the biggest problem with them. Of course is doesn't feeding on Some of the culture crops that we might have particularly grapevine. Yes so folks are quite concerned about that for sure so fruit growers in particular. Take your are very alarmed by this. Oh absolutely in fact folks Folks out in California also keeping an eye out of a out for these spider despite Lincoln's life. Well because once they get to California who knows. Divide become a huge player. Pass on the wine grapes. Yes yes he did. It did did it. Come from another country. I don't remember without one Nicole from East Asia. East Asia is likely Most likely China Another thing we read about in the headlines I it is a phrase biological controls being researched often against against pests. Like the ones we've been talking about or older Pass than your research focuses on. I think Integrative Management Management of insects and Mites that are damaging to turf grass and ornamental plants. Can you explain sort of what biological control. And integrative what these terms mean gene practically speaking okay sure affect biological control is probably one of my specialties as well That's where where I went to graduate school to study so power to control in simplest. SAN is basically using one insect one organism to control not organism So in this case it could be one insects feeding on insects. Oh I'll give you an example Tomato Hall Worm. Sometimes you're going GONNA have Those white rice green looking cocoon on their body right. That's actually Bala. You're controlling action. Yes it's basically szekely. One organism controlling other one integrated pest management or integrated approach is is is is an approach to take notice not just biological control but a lot of the different Control method into one comprehensive program for example. If I wanted to control a pass not only do. Am I using insect site. I'm also thinking about using cultural control or using biological control combined together in a comprehensive over and so by doing so by using cultural control you know sanitation and other cultural tactics as well as biological logic control potentially and maybe some intervention with An appropriate Substance a chemical. Or whatever you would theoretically be mapping the least toxic remedy because you're not just going and hitting it with the big spray only. You're you're looking to map a plan. That's a smart plan is that correct is the goal was to go the integrated pest management really is the central goal really is to reduce. I'll use in sex. I yes pesticide mice. Nature is basically chemical warfare in some way so Some of them can be toxic to human to pass S. or the environment. So the whole idea of using different kind of approach is so that we are not so reliant on yes PESCI pesci alone of every time. We see a mosquito spray spray and spray with think about not approach. You're trying to kill them. Maybe oh you know hitting them with your hand would be a cultural control and perhaps letting them letting spider eating the mosquito would-be apology control coast. So if you if you just try to single different ways to actually control that one past now you're doing integrated pest management. I I wanted to you know up here. At least winter is planning to arrive at some point And everyone I know always says depending on what the pest that's been prevalent in a given year as they say you know. I hope we have a cold winter to freeze. You know fill in the blank you know name of the worst of the season or or at least ticks in my Ariel two ticks to death as if winter a certain degree of winter. Chill is going to have a cleansing. You know I I think you've you've alluded to to that To being asked that a lot is was. Is it going to be cold enough this winter to kill off blank. Is that something that you're asked about and What is the relationship between lean? Chill and and You know pest management right well I. I was asked that question every single year. Yes yes of course me to in the South we get. We have played me penalty mosquitoes where plenty of nats and in the spring. Everybody would be like well. Hey winter is pretty cool. Do you think we're going to have just as many mosquitoes. Yeah mine's always been. I don't know my friend. Oh no because because a lotta time insect population disease population It kind of depends on the temperature that they are facing. I think at the time when they're developing for the winter a lot of time for example insects a Lotta insects actually have a life stage. That would help them over over the winter. So you know Unless the temperature dropped to trump really really really low otherwise We probably not going. Let's see a whole lot of differences in pest population the next spring so one of the pest that I'm the most afraid aid of at the moment is these Asian jumping worms a couple of species of of of Invasive worms and You know and and they have a strategy like that they're sort of at least in our northern climates their annual the adults hatch from You know a AH from sort of like a little cases or whatever that are left from the adults of the last summer fall and grow up in there just around for the summer and then they did I so all that has to survive. The cold is the little egg case and that is very durable to call so like. You're saying these animals. These different animals have strategies where the mosquitoes and whatever where they have a winter phase that keeps them safe. That may not be the adult. That's out there flying in the freezing cold Right it could be a lot of different life stages and a Lotta time those kind of ever overwintering stages are usually eggs or pupae. Yes and in those Life stages are usually much more tolerant to environmental stream. Yes yes and strategically so was a genius genius all these Ingenious moments of evolution and developing those strategies right otherwise They wouldn't have a big population the next year well insects I billions of years to try to figure out yes. That's the best way to make sure. They propagate yes well in the last week practices. Yeah in the last minute. I just wanted to task you. Is there something right now. That's really a focus that I mean I know you say it changes depending project but has is there anything you've been really. They've reading up on delving into worried about the way. I'm worried about the jumping worms. That's my main obsession. Well my main my main affection is always been scaring sex or That's why I've been studying and that's really the number one pass that we have in in most of Landscapes in gardens uh-huh scale or skin. Six okay all right yeah. Well I'm glad to speak to you. Finally and I enjoy the newsletter and as I said I love that that you manage to give all this information to the trade as well as some laughter To make it go down easier And thank you for making taking the time and thanks for telling us to the and thanks for telling us to send our samples to the extensions. Because I think that's something hearing it from you makes it sound a little more important. So thank you. Oh yes that's definitely a good investment. Good I'll talk to you again soon. I hope thank you. That was great underwriting support from timber repress your go-to resource for books and gardening and nature whether you're new gardner a professional at the top of your field or a reader interested in the wonders of the natural world. Their books are there to help. Hope you grow timber press dot Com and. I hope I'll talk to all the rest

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US Agent Origin Part 5 (Captain America #347-#350, Avengers Annual #17)

Capes & Lunatics: Sidekicks

1:24:52 hr | 6 d ago

US Agent Origin Part 5 (Captain America #347-#350, Avengers Annual #17)

"This episode, keep some lunatic kicks brought to you by tweak audio. Awesome head into tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off reshipping in a lifetime warranty working get there through the link on our website southgate. Media Group DOT COM. Ca Parrot, annual listing a hazing lunatic sidekicks podcast. PODCAST. What router? Kamara favorite captain America. America. Wants. No captain America's my face every. American. America's punch your favorite. Woke back. To another capers I am Ville. Joining me as always that. Young lady before four to it is. Your Health. And joining us once again. Is. Joining us once again big marvel fan especially this Av stop it is. Charlie professor. Comics that made me. Shooter. Well you know that's part of this whole universe to you know but Yeah. Give give us give us the the rundown. Oh, he's ready to get into it. Yes. Book report because we're GONNA be doing into. America three, forty, seven, three, fifty, and avengers annual number seventeen the final part of evolutionary war so. which has nothing to do with anything that's. Of Captain America. Art. Pulls right out. Hey. Raises why did don't make read it. I thought you would enjoy evolutionary war Charlie as. I did I did although I have to say what I found most fascinating about that is the realization that. The reference to mayhem in Manhattan is? Inferno, which we don't. Untapped in America and so oh wow. It's kind of weird. We realize that those two events were kind of going on at the same time. And Hey hey, remember last night you're like, oh, how can we just get event after event anymore? Hey, it's always. Yeah. I mean really just one of the other hall below. Evolutionary war was just in all the annuals inferno through all the regular books. Yep I remember I, remember it well, and I remembered the the Special Jarvis issue of inferno, which is, which is the best. Issue of inferno. All based on what he learned about enemy. Animated inanimate objects from Roger Rabbit. and. Got The phone to cooperate. That's why the computers were all speaking gibberish. Okay for. Now connecting it you know super connecting it. All right and all you had to do just promise that you would give them all change in your pocket and the phones would cooperate. All right. Let's get the three forty, seven brutal issue. All right. So in a Initial cargo suburb one night aged woman here's the doorbell answering. It shocked to see Captain America delivering warning that the next time he sees her son Hector he is a dead man fighting a heart seizure Mrs Lennox telephones her son in Las Vegas where he is training boxing with his partner Jerry Johnson under the eye of miniature Ethan therm remember him. Yeah. That guy's a scroll. Calling it now now he's as he looks different every time they draw him. Not Have One look. Changes look more than I do. Immune or something. He's something when you know. When Hector takes the call and learns that cap has threatened his elderly mother he goes Berserk fouling. The Kid was enemy. Ethan explains that this was to be expected after they revealed caps identity as John. Walker on television back in issue three, forty one which led to his parents murder in three forty, five hector is not dissuaded and he dons his left winger cost human heads out at a meeting of the superhuman. At a meeting of the Commission on superhuman activities the debate over the next course of action is heated. Yet director Rockwell was missing. He is in jail with the captain. The Rogers. Threatening Steve with the consequences of withholding information from the Government Steve tells him he suspects a hidden vendetta and Rockwell Departs Steve begins the question whether his friends were raped to smell a rat next captain America as an East Philadelphia or raised to deliver the threat to Jerry Johnson Johnson's mother but they have been bitterly estranged for years she directs the hero to Jerry's father. At Home Lemar hoskins achieves one of his primary goals in life he completes his ged. Here we go. Here we go ray for foreign readers. The general educational development tests are to allow students to earn the equivalent of a high school diploma later in life. On their way East Ethan therm tries to dissuade Jerry and hector from doing anything rash but the vengeful hector assures him they would only kill John Walker and self defense her. All right. Sean again. sounds like a plan jam. All right I know Charlie like this part in a prison in Algeria a crack team of commandos, assaults building and rescues a single inmate in aged man called Albert. Malik. After a brutal firefight, the command, those bundle they're charging the helicopter which takes off Malik quotes in his freedom. He's given the Red Skull mask wars a communist agent back in the nineteen fifties when the original Nazi skull was missing as he exults in his plan for new exploits, the pilot draws a gun and casually shoots him down and says justices served. Douglas report mysterious leader who who will not reveal to him the master plan. The villain has not receive a call. The villain does receive a call from the scourge of the underworld and is pleased. All right. Captain America John Walker Rabson in an oilfield Dallas to locate Jim Johnson's father finding the man. He delivers the same warning that gave the Jerry and Hector's mothers. But this time left in right winger are there and ready to take on their former friend themselves at this capped face breaks into the most frighteningly sadistic grin. This comic has ever seen incredibly brutal fight that fall is ends with cap eating his foes in the submission. Plead for mercy, he shows them mercy. He ties them to a massive oil tanking gives them. One of their flaming torches will place the other one against the tank itself. He tells them that they can burn through the cable holding them before the flaming nights the petroleum they can go free cap then walks off when the explosion comes he barely cracks a smile as he keeps walking. Where they got the side. Manny so This is. I often. I have to say. You know years later we re visit this. In another we're after he's had his memory wiped about what happened with right winger in left lear. And I did not recall that they did this this graphically. In the book. I mean we don't get to see them in the you know. In the in the Home now. that. We do later but it's just It's it was disturbing man it was disturbing look L. Hey, look Chad's on. The power of Chad from into the night at midnight podcast Hey Chad he say I live in quotes mercy. Have mercy gave them a fighting chance. How is that mercy opposed the new nights mercy? Wow. We didn't cut their faces off. As you do. Run. I don't know. There's an interesting question. All of this, which is you know, would the explosion have caused as much damage as it apparently did when we see them later in the com- convalescing. Super. Strong. But they're not invulnerable. No. But then you know of course, will see something similar with demand later. And he does come back. Not. One hundred percent but you know physically and this is this a more dramatic thing that now actually I think I think maybe one of the weird things about it was if I recall correctly when they do the slash back. Did did he actually doused them with gasoline I? I, don't think I mean they were tied to to that giant tank. I mean I mean we're GONNA get to the demand thing in a little bit. But I mean doesn't make a difference maybe demand was in motion and they weren't. I don't know it's it's. But I, mean it's just rough. It is they're just going. Full on Conan the barbarian with all of this, you know definitely going for that. Blood Lust and violence, and it's like he's insane I mean. Late eighties of course they were. This was this was. Nineteen eight because we're talking about January when the new president takes over by the end of this so. And it's interesting to seize. Land Bucks Hashtag fight me. Interesting you know. Again. This this idea that you read these books in order and it does not seem as long as it does. But for the characters you know you know says, I've been in this costume for months. We'll know you've been in it for like six bucks. And I guess it's been months everybody else. But you know panel, the panel hasn't really been so. Interesting. Question about sliding time with that. So. But yeah, I, mean, i. mean when the going on it's always like, oh, it's been months but you know sliding time but whenever they come back to revisit. You know they'll. They'll probably say, Oh yeah for weeks John Walker was running amok inside. That's always Several, weeks ago that Otrante I attacked us now and it's like well now that was. Twenty years ago. But yeah, weeks ago. But then yeah so. It's interesting. That's all I'm saying how citing time affects our heroes. Oh. But during that brutal fight scene Charlie answer, did you get some red blood coming out of people's mouths at all? I thought. So now that I'm trying to think yeah I know I know John Walker gets hit he's got red blood coming out but there is like there is one scene where. Walker Oh yeah. He's drooling. So I mean, there's there's parts where it's like it is whites I guess it's supposed to be suspended some points and other ones must be blood. But yeah. Mean they just here this oilfield apart. Yeah and like you know. And again, just just this idea that everyone is there everyone sees this everyone knows who is You know somebody's getting paid off. Yeah, well, you know, but then again as we. Later, learn and now. Own Part of the Master, Plan Oh but And then that Malan stuff I'm like, Mum, who could who could want this the impostor red skull dead. I don't know. Yeah I it's it's interesting without a doubt As I said, I thought that it was interesting that it's Albert Malik now. That's the villain in a field right now. The Malik. So Latam so differently. Each names go deep. I mean, actually if I recall correctly in agent Carter, Rockwell is the guy who runs on whole area. So there's a Lotta. There's a lot of call backs from this era that's on saying obviously eighties nineties last decades religious I'll be honest. Yes. But yeah I mean. Oh is this No? The regular show up until the next issue, right? Yeah. I, think the next issue. Is just completely offers office mets. Poisoning who could be talking about chat But yeah. I. Mean it's it's a rub issue it's rough to read. I mean they ever explain easing as as a scroll. Literally I mean right. In this one he suddenly he's got a bowler hat is it I was GonNa say I'm like what's up with that hat? He's GonNa read Mustache. Lauding. Coalescence. Listen Charlie. Charlie her, how could he have a moustache one day and not the next? No I'M GONNA. Tell you it takes. It takes time indication to grow proper moustache. Otherwise you look scraggly little retail. And be very like I said, I, mean, sometimes draw him very fat. Sometimes they saw him kind of you know kind of. Like. You know rubbing neck, Abo- and. It's weird. It's win. They don't have one designed for this character and maybe I duNno does it. You know when he has money, he's gorging himself on food and there's weeks they don't have money. I don't. person. That doesn't work, and then it just the way he dresses is completely different in this. This I said now he looks like. He looks like a character he looks like Oh. Here's my wacky hipster clothing. Whereas in previous incarnations, you just a business suit We need some kind of we need some kind of. Evil in. The column. Book World. And I mind. I, just I want at one. Consecutive look appearance to appearance. Sometimes in the same book, he is junk completely different between the holiday drumming the first set of penalties the second set of fennel. So we need some untold tale. What if you know there's more than one Ethan Thermo. Skull. Back around to let left and right wingers just too stupid or something to notice say or. Or they're paid off yet don't notice when you know even thermal different. No I'm just I'm going to scroll. This is the. Secret invasion that's. It was it was in the works even then they'll give bends ideas. Doesn't work anymore. So I know. He's coming bed. You know. That's what I was thin. That's what I was thinking yesterday. I'm like you know if he like you know tomorrow said Oh i WanNa come back and right know alternate spiderman again or whatever he wants rate would just take him back in a heartbeat. Not really struggling creatively. No but I'm just so I. Would beg to disagree but okay. Yeah. Like you see right now? I'm just saying that you know I mean if you wanted to come back. That's what every. Company in the industry is saying police were not DC. Well. Yeah I. Mean It's worth. See is you know PC's having their own private? It's it's. It's this is the I can't even say that DC's having problems. It is clearly a a industry wide problem. There were nobody nobody knows who's in charge. You know I think that all the different. Wheels are spinning and none of them are tax to an actual. So again they need they need one central figure running the whole show. Brain. or at least a call, he's council who? You know they need they need something and then. They units. anyways. But what else is Yeah. But wash I mean. Does. Seem do anything this issue or is it the saw which is Rockwell talk into memory and he's just like I'm thinking maybe there's maybe there's a vendetta going on. Well Yeah Be. lamarcus is ged for like what like? Which is Lavar. Lamar's greatness Lamar I will say this of all the characters introduced in this series. Lamar is probably one of my favorites who had good things done with him. Oh. Yeah. I mean look I. Mean Look we're at right now as as like John Walker dislike sinks in the darkness. Lamar's just going up and up. And I love the fact that as we see in later stops, Lamar like he gets himself centralized into Zambia invasion storylines. where he is like de last defender against zombies. On Earth Him and Howard the duck are like. The two guys are constantly and actually I. Love the idea of Howard, the duck end Lamar being like A. Superhero team. That is really to me. One of the best things I. AM actually surprised that I, realize that Lamar's never been in an avenger. I was GONNA say yeah. The nineties he worked for silver, sable but. Yeah you know he he he gets around, but he's never been in Avenger and he's really a cool character. WHO said such a great evolution over the years you know from from? Vyborg Syndrome. No I said he got to be a better characters time went on. Oh Nailed it. I mean. I have no idea what what's. WORKED FROM THE TEEN TITANS. New Fifty two into that character any favors love come on. Favorites this effort Green Arrow in Apple Nancy. To be fair, they could use out. All right. The next one sure. Yeah. All right Captain America three forty eight. Aright in the Arctic, a real anarchist villain flag smasher is on the run from two members of his own organization ultimatum who are trying to kill him as they race across the ice on Jet Skis, the hit-men fire blasters but the cagey mastermind tricks one into accidentally shooting the other then dispatches the other. And mad magazine Skit. Spider spy appropriating the deadman's survival gear flag smasher heads toward a scientific outpost twenty five kilometers away. In Washington DC is a new captain America John. Walker has been called before the Commission on Superhuman. Affairs who are very upset at his disobeying orders and going after left and right winger because he is unreliable, the commission has decided to suspend him permanently in place under arrest. Walker takes it all without a word just then president Reagan enters the room the mainly to know why he had not been told the captain. America had been replaced and what happens Steve Rogers discovering that Steve is in custody in connection with the assault on the present in issue three, forty, four Reagan shirts that Steve. Saved. Him and demands he be released. He then offers John Walker. His best wishes into parts the commission members move ahead to release Steve while the signing the keep Walker out of the public eye until the new administration picks French worry. In. Blame the other guy though Yeah Yup. Yup. In Arctic flag smasher seizes control the ice station and sends a message to the authorities in DC commission had Douglas Rockwell reports to a secret boss. Who Approves of letting John Walker Roam free to Besmirch the image of Captain America. He then orders a tracking device planet on Steve Rogers, they know where he is at all times Valerie Cooper rushes in with a report that flags mattress holding the scientists hostage at the Arctic face and the man's the Captain America come personally prepared to dispatch walker in his prison cell. The captain Steve Rogers has second thoughts about his choice to not oppose the commission's decision to replace him. He wonders if he has been subconsciously testing himself by making the wrong decisions for months suddenly the lights go out cap discovers. The cell doors unlocked venturing out into the dark. He soon finds his she to leaves the building certain that he is being set up, but not knowing for what on their way north. Battle. Star reads flag smashers dossier to a silent and brooding cap reaching the ice station cap parachutes in and enters the building the villainous morning a gun to the head of a hostage. But when cap says, he doesn't care what happens to the man flags smasher knows this is not the real captain America ferocious fight breaks out with the battle using his case and judo to counteract the superior strength of the hero. Phil. Superpower. Kung, Fu yeah baby. Do the most deadliest form like smashers skeleton absorbs all of strength leaving him vulnerable to Punch Battle Star arrived on the scene, and the villain threatens to shoot the unconscious cap in the head of the heroes. Partner does not deliver his message in forty eight hours. The world will be plunged into chaos that they do not send the real captain America realizing there's nothing else he can do battle star falls back and contacts Washington Rockwell response that Steve Rogers has flown the coop and cannot be found elsewhere. Steve is looking in on his hotline and finds a message full of GIBBERISH. He must head to Brooklyn to attend to the malfunction in his data system at once. The House. And then he doesn't deal with it so. I should go about what's going on. It's like Oh. Never Mind Chat. Reaganomics. I gotta Say I am not quite sure. We're not this falling on Reagan this 'cause I one I get the feeling. He does not like Reagan and his Arctic's but it also get the feeling he'd totally buys into the doddering old man idea. And, that Reagan's handlers just didn't tell him stuff. So the idea that. We president. You know I I think that more obvious as the years went on because you know the media in a white, house had a fight whereas like now we're gonNA air your dirty laundry we're not even secrecy anymore. Yeah like and just the fact that no one on the commission even bothers to tell him why endorsing Walker might be a bad idea right now 'cause he just like killed a bunch of people. So it's like no one even match. We hire celebrities to be president. That's all well, you know you again he's going GonNa. Be He's going to be out in January two they do today not care named Zach lame-duck. Yeah. I guess so. It's it's it's weird. Yeah. This is. It's it's. It's definitely weird. It's fine nothing. It just seems like Rockwell's like an American president. I work over real power behind the whole thing. Except As we'll see later you know. All of all of. All of. The man behind the the the screens on machinations don't amount too much when things are done by committee because unless you can get everybody on the committee to be your lackey, it doesn't work. For Carly in fact, we're black. Or? I'm just saying worth. or I could see the mastermind behind this. You know subscribing the Charles her theory have we tried killing them yet. Well Yeah. I mean. That's Wouldn't it have been easier and any of these situations isn't that always easier just to try and kill someone. Like in a more modern take them you know if there's a commissioner two dozen arrogant Kerley it's officiant allegheny. UC. Yeah, I mean, that's that's the problem with this mystery figure who we have no idea who they could possibly be put. Plus you can't. Kill. Red Lights Yeah because you can't like Oh. Oh, Jeez yeah. But? No you can't kill Kathy's commissioners because like Val Cooper show up an X. men boggs. Yeah. They you these are. The, people will miss these people exactly. You know these are homeless people that punchline can just experiment on. These are people that like have a nine to five and people are going to care about. So yeah. dateable. Washington. It's debatable care about the matter no sure. They'll be missed but. I mean, it's it's. Yeah so. So they send. So we this we're we're there. He's going where Um cap is going after. Black Maschera and flag smasher. Abud way the the entire Oh exhaust suit. which is clearly spandex but whatever it absorbs strict which one of these things it's like. You ever wonder like how these technologies work in these universities. Because, it really does look like the entire idea that ono there is like a superhuman God force. Heroic Force that close to all superheroes that we can just suck out of you. This is a well established principle and it's just a lot of different ways to do it. So. Our. World. Oh because I said the word. Suck. Okay. It. Reminds me a lot and again interesting enough to go into other things. Reminds me of. What was called the absorbed can that the? That the every man used to suck. Up to life either people to give himself superhuman strength when he fought spider man and Reed Richards and that actually leads into Grad master story, which is after this. So obviously, the technology did exist at this time so. So. Yeah. It's interesting to see being used here in this way. And Yeah. Anyway. But My question. So at on the last page, does it say in the digital copy continued in avengers annual and he said said eighteen months seventeen. The next out. What Is it. Yeah. It's the next one where it says. In the next one it says, 'cause you says, Oh, I should've had. I realized it was going to have to swim back. I would I would ask you drop me off and. In. which kind of means like beaches took a coin jet back to the x men or x factor? Would I think I? Mean we look to the annual but I think he just takes it like. You know take everyone driving off. You know who? Who survived 'cause that that ended poorly man. We'll all right little if any thoughts on three forty eight before we get to the annual. Now you're. Kinda boring. It was Kinda set up for the next. Panels really either dislike ultimate. issue. Talk. I will say this think why doesn't why doesn't I should just say what's going on? Only to Captain America. The Real Captain America I took that as he don't know who's working for the mastermind. No and we wouldn't it be better just to say to everyone. Oh. Now, you'll be lowered. Grandiose and all that stone. Lecture. Takes off his cape before he fights I wanted that is one of my favorite things about what? Yeah No, that's your show that comes right off. It's like you gotTa have. You gotTa have it be detachable? That's gotta be just velcro and so you know this. Yeah. Dirty. That's how you. It's like when when, when your mom takes over earrings, you know It's When you're? Reading it to the annual? Yeah. We'll get to the annual. All right. So after a quick detour through eventers to ninety eight's. Yes. This is the captain's next op vendors annual seventeen for those of you who listen to me and low of cover the Great Hall in Vegas, Stop. This halt goes after whole three, fifty also. Not In this convergence. Will. Appear pair of shorts on. Well, he just came back from a big fight with Ben Grimm Tube Charlie. Jean shorts alone phone sex George going. It is eighty eight. I have to say. Like a couple things really jump out at me on this first. Yellow jacket who I I I got to say it's just weird that they're all just cool with it. Yeah. You're one of the masters you but whatever we're just GONNA to keep your even on you. We don't trust you. You know we are do the summary But I i. It just seems to me. They needed every. Hanukkah get. Okay. So there was no. IRA. Report fell reconstructed. We'll be on the final reconstructed by parties unknown the robot. To cost the. GIACOSA okay. Frees herself and places an emergency call to the avengers before being subdued by her captors since the avengers rosters currently no thank you for their head coach and doctor druid their headquarters computer summons the reserve members which results in a unique gathering including the captain the Felker Hercules the beast the supposedly deceased hulk and the female yellow jacket. The latter forced the report by an alarm in her stolen helmet tracing Joe cast is called to a Long Island laboratory complex. The makeshift van discovers the fall the followers of the high evolutionary who plans to exclude a genetic bomb which will catapult the human race instantly through a million years of evolution. Their search takes them to Lem area, which is under attack by Atlanta enforces halting the battle. They deduce that the two sides were brought together by a ruse in hopes of sterilizing both races, and the Atlantic, and the La-. Marion's join forces to seek out their common foe. The heroes locate a giant mobile base en route to the Volcano Krakatoa who's explosion will fire the genetic bombs contents into the high atmosphere in stating stating the craft the avengers lament revolution by revealing to the high evolutionary men that their leaders are actually the evolved animals called Newman Newman. Then they locate their clothes Genesis Chamber and confront him directly, but he easily disables CASTA. Then teleport's the hulk back. This look teleport back to Las Vegas while the others occupy their foes attention, the beasts US uses the genetic accelerator on Hercules transforming him into the high evolutionary luminaries equal the two titans clash in the high evolutionary, ultimately corporate because corporates. But Hercules continues to evolve until he too vanishes his fate unknown them as the other vendors beat a hasty retreat in their quin jet to cast a sets off the basis matter anti matter drive destroying both it and the genetic bomb. and. It is. So. Yeah. So giacosa dies again, Hercules evolves way to God you. The it's interesting that so many people die and yet none of none of that actually. GETS SICK so. I would love to see cosmic Hercules as a thing you know. And just said he goes back to his men who knows maybe cosmic Hercules is still a thing. They'll redress that at some point how he got back to being just regular guide Hercules. To shut throwing her support behind George Chat. Yes. Georgia popular but yeah. As Kevin Smith also can I just say like how weird is that the hook and the beast just knocked down walls center rooms I know like it's. Their Story Super Villain. This is like this is like the vendors compound. I get it from the hall. But yeah, the beast has a brain. It's like come on. Yeah. Also I got to say I really don't like the beast in a full body suit i. know there's reasons why but I always think about you know the fact that he's covered in for he's always very hot. It's like he doesn't know. Dogs don't WanNa wear clothing. I'm sorry. Let's be the one to say that. And the. You know that's the one thing I actually. About Tigra is she actually has made that point several times. On into Bikini 'cause uncovered in for, do you have any idea how it is in La based Superhero covered in her? And don't mean hot like Ooh. That's hot. You know. Yeah. But yeah. So I I don't think that it makes sense for for the beast to wear clothing while he is covered in for I like him I like him in his vetoes no shorts. Only does war. Anyway but yeah, I mean it's it's a great story I guess it's it's very interesting especially because it's like a completely different writer for cap in this one. So it's like a completely different cap as if. He was in no way related to anything that's going on in the other books. So this and actually I kind of feel like this isn't like. This isn't a conflict capsules like I'm the captain I wake up now. Well I. Mean he's almost back to being captain America and I think this was like a big setup because he brings the next team of avengers together. I mean I wonder I wonder if if this was planned for a while where you know they scrambled sell okay. Last part of evolutionary war the vendors who's on the vendors nobody right now Jarvis and it's like Yeah Well next they actually get the they get the jackets, right? It's all jacket that's a little while but yeah. It's yeah. By the time they get to like Black Knight and serves yeah. They all got like jackets and leather skirt that branding that has adventures brandy. Yeah. But I like it. It's it's. It's a solid I, remember reading Mrs Kid and being totally blown away so deep and powerful. With fighting the Nazis 'cause he's just a Nazi with energy powers and that's that's what yes. Several Times Luna Fisher devices are connected. Needle the Mike Lethal Nino microphone fun. turntables microphone anyway. But yeah, I mean it's it's a good story and. You know You ever read the what if volume two number one where they did what if the evolutionary had? A really. That's also trippy story because, of course. You know you get big headed captain America. which is also just kind of weird what it's got a big head. Why mediate Kinda Integrated Hulk and banner. Bit Yeah just like regular. Heroes and then they put Wolverine in charge and then they go straight universe Oh. Yeah. All the superheroes basically while most of them take off the end became humanities just left with like daredevil division. Yeah and and then they you know they all and then I if I recall correctly the Essence of humanity forms of mind around the earth. So that's like the one thing that survives. The superheroes co both death and eternity. For Reasons And never nothing like when when the beyond their did this Oh, you can't just kill death deterrent. Here's a little rain. Well. Bub I think we killed death. Did you not read secret wars to Wolverine? Go back to long boxes. But. Yeah. No. Yes. Of course I read that it's it's it's a decent i. like this is Shula. Issue and you know although yet and then next is were the markets. Some next issue is. Where we get we hit our hint of a demon maybe kind of preferring to live kind of like the hobos lifestyle. Because he's just been hanging out at the decimated. avengers compound for like a couple of weeks now. All right before we get there little if any thoughts on the annual. Reggie make me read this. This was like atrocious. Again different writer and like I said, I, don't know if like it was last minute they're like, okay the okay. The vendors annual who's on the vendors right now on nobody. was. Going to handle the he's a boss it's fine. Hit hit the high near with his umbrella. Any. Odd. Choice. That's all. We know it's like. The captain, the Hulk Let's the next character in there. The piece was in Avenger. He was. Yes. The crowd fan base piece we have now the plant well, everybody's plant based. You know it's cool to be Vegan I. think that's the theme. I'm. GonNa say this I'm. Going to say, it's just like burgers or the X. men now the impossible X. men. Oh. Interesting because you know, you know that Krakatoa is named after Krakatoa. There's GonNa be a whole evolutionary Spore Tien. Krakatoa on it's. got. Chocolate. On his peanut butter that. What happened only gone I think I cracked the code. Yeah. Hickman was was eating in an impossible burger. were. What did it taste like mutants but it was actually plants. Back? We're done it. I saw. Hickman in your impossible Walker I see. Was Impossible Casey not. Malaya's I don't. Yet it was a limited run in, Colorado I? Think. South Park brought it up and they're like, you know let's tries. So they did a very limited run in Colorado but. You can't make Vegan. At found this out very easily so You can make anything here. Frightened enough oil. Purpose Bird. What the purpose, the purpose is to make food. Delicious. Those Green. Beans. Air. Fryer work. You know they actually fry it put air fryer. There's not really a such thing as an airfare that don't really work like that. You actually if you buy like alright fried foods and put it into an air fire like. Fries it, but it's like already fried. So it's not like you're you're just not referring reignites to taste. Anyway so yeah. Your. Now, without that annual, very disappointing annual, especially back in the eighties. annuals worth nothing. You know you look forward. So an annual. Magin like reading that book and the annual or dislike I want my money do appreciate their where they tell you where it falls in continuity. Although. I got to say I. I. also like the fact that this annual deals with La- Maria and Atlantis and then next annual which gets mistakenly cited in the next book isn't Lantis Attacks So Nice little continuing theme. Okay. Yeah. So you know it's it's it's pretty interesting Area and Atlantan War was cool. Area, in fact, only anyone mentions Lem area except when you know they, they want to show that there is someone else that name or. King of the oceans with his some other duties activity. I am the King of seventy, five percent of the products. It's like well, no actually you're not. You're king the Kingdom of your the ruler of a small city on the ocean floor, and there's like ten other cities that really have no loyalty to you so. And some of them are Douay you can I see you. Just stand I'm your. Words so grandiose. Another. Another. Great Curtis Armstrong Role. Name My. Email but well yeah. My Kingdom is very big. It was huge. It's a nice a nice. Anyway. Let's let's move on this issue. Get the cap cap to swim back to the island Captain America please. Get ready to break. Charlie answers hard captain America three forty nine. Yeah after the events of war late one night the captain comes ashore on Hydra base former headquarters of the avengers in search of his missing teammates. Here's attacked by figuring Dr who turns out to be his partner Demon who came into the find cap after being released by the commission needing a teen cap makes a stunned demand and a vendor. Then Copter arrives and Battle Star partner to the new Captain America disembark recognizing him as an enemy he fought in issue three, forty, four demon attacks the newcomer but cap quickly breaks up the fight battle. Starr explains that he needs the original Captain America, the rescued the new captain America who's being held hostage in the Arctic by flag smasher. At Ice Station able flag smasher has captained chains and suspended to the waste in icy water. Then he's interrupted by the arrival of a squadron of Alta maitum agents who have been on his tail. Meanwhile, cap his two sidekicks fly barred Quinn jet to the Arctic and find the face under attack leaving demand at the controls cap and battle star dropped to the ground and engage the enemy at the latter keeps the invaders engaged. The captain enters the building and confronts flag smasher cap proves prove his identity by reciting the villains parting words at their previous meeting. In issue three, twenty, two flag smasher explains how he quit ultimatum after he learned his art in Art. In Arctic. Antarctic Arctic No. Anarchy but in art in Arkansas. Okay and Ar C. H. I. C. or did soon anarchists boys anarchy in. Art, he's not an ARC. He's anti nationalist. Yeah I know he's not an anarchist. He actually believes that arche he just he just believes that government be doesn't believe. Yes It was organization with secretly funded by the red skull. Now, was planning the set off a doomsday machine and flat and flagging cap and his. And and. So flags mash recap join demand in and head to the ultimatum. Base camp regains his original shield from flag smasher and the to assault the building they reached the doomsday machine designed to admit and electro magnetic pulse, which will destroy all electrical systems in the world and discover that neither has the scientific know how to stop it. Cap Calls Demand instructs him crash the crashed. into the main part of the building while parachuting the safety, the sidekick sets the craft on course but the ship is attacked by two enemies who plant a bomb on the roof hero goes off off the fight them but can't remove the bomb in time the ship explodes and crashes into the enemy base caps creams having flashbacks to the death of Bucky and searches for his fallen comrade, but he can find new trace of him. So. What would have happened if this planet work? Say, what was the skull trying to achieve by destroying electronics in the world? I guess his it. Of course, the superheroes will stop me. And it just becomes another interesting. We'll in my master. But like if if if if and really, this entire plan hinges on the fact that the facts measure finds out about Johann Smith and then decides it's a bad thing to get funding from him. And does not try to just stop the problem himself but reach out to captain America. There are so many levels of this plan. That you really gotTa say, Yo had I don't think you thought this at all I get the feeling like there was someone writing checks at Smith TCO and. You know and add they weren't even really checking up to see who is doing what? I just tell the doomsday device I don't know just. They don't have the scientific. No- none of the scientific know-how maybe that maybe was just a fake device maybe the skull was trying to Polecat Fast Steve Out of hiding or something I dunno. I got so but then. Well. And that's actually because there's no way you can. have. Something that well I guess. Well. It's near me I. I don't know maybe because they say that it's actually near magnetic north. So maybe it has to do with doing something with with the magnetic poles. That's the MP comes from a net where you could get one that would go globally. So. But Yeah, all I love this part where he were Steve's dislike somersaulting through the bullets at the guy and the drop kick you know just thinking himself never fails never fails to amaze me how how some of these gunmen just get rattled when I advance on them while they're shooting it's like, yeah just a simple thing advancing done fire were because. Whenever stinks we have we didn't shoot directly at the shield. Steve, just as it's like, Oh, I never ceases to amaze me how these guys get rattled when I just come through their gun fire. That's that's the thing What's this is I guess that what Condon's shield that now flag smasher has it or? Ultimate. Him Group has it. So. When you think about it so when what when John Walker eventually takes on the thing he doesn't have kept shield. That's another manufactured shield that they gave. Walker would he becomes you as agent. Summer I for some reason I swear they say that's the same. She'll though but it's like, yeah, they get it off flag smasher. Look Book. Matches drops it somewhere today recovering. But. Why what do you? It's like perfect for him. It's like, wow, it's my color scheme. No logo on it. Vibrate. Know me so well. Well, yeah, unless he was funding something and sold it. Could be a thing to the is it is probably like very. Shield with a lot of money. Anyway. I. I don't know what's going. But a home. Yeah. So anyway, so that happened that wasn't a she we read and Lilith. Yeah demand. That was that that happens When I think. Demand is a plot device because they they don't show where he's at until like issue four hundred but. Before that like crossbones shows up and I think they kinda played it for a while it's like. Is that like demand maybe within these air or something is discuss like you know recover him and used them but you gotta turn. Actually though. And I'll tell you. This heartbreaking issue the heartbreaking issue is when cap goes back to the Arctic to look for demand and he's like trying to find him and then at the very end the issue you see the person frozen in ice age that sense of. Keyed as little as. They might be so me that's what I mean man. He just is like He. Lamar got better run. Better out got the better storylines from all of this I mean I'm glad demands around. Oh, maybe he's going to be on the new F. Houdini. Yeah. You know there's a big status quo changing event coming soon and. Out Love seem hang out with Ben Grimm again Yeah now. They're. Definitely, we know that that's not even that's not even shocking. Him Even Shot Comic Book Readers Anymore People who've been reading for Ten plus years I don't think they can. You. Coming back. You know bring someone back from the dead it's like okay. We're GONNA. Have the big plant reveal about the X. men? Important. X. Men, they should totally do that fellow. Wash the new impossible X. men. Talking about. I know yes even. Going don't use. A trademark that right now make come to us. I. Do Postal Social Media later to be like a pug about the impossible exit. Test. I. I'M GONNA. Say This right now I bet you trademark search. You'll find the possible exner somewhere lend visit already secured those rights. Already planning the impossible x-men Burger. Yeah That Crossover with. Berg. Disney they can get, they can Disney, they can get McDonald's come on. Anyway but. Yeah. So happened. So. That I could see about that is you know it's all building towards something giving all the pieces put into place the now, and now a good place for headed but okay. John Walker is a mess to all of this. But at no point does it really feel like he's being drug yet? Sane. I know exactly that especially because it's drink get to when we get to three fifty. Which is at the next one we get to that. He actually has a whole. Cogent. Conversation at the end where he does not seem in any way drug and. It's just like Oh. Okay. So that's the thing. Now I guess you know. Task Task tax masculinity before task toxic masculinity was the thing is that I mean the kind of playing into. Four it's worth. Yeah. 'cause he is. You know from the powerbroker he's very much a very much a steroid in allergy and road rage was a thing. But at the same time, just as idea that they try to imply later that, oh, he was being drugged to become more violent or it's actually I don't think that's ever really displayed and every time we see him after this, he doesn't seem that different than he wasn't the Super Patriot. It seems like he had a lot of PTSD from watching his parents die and that led him go on. It's not like when they try to say that Oh, the punisher wasn't crazy. He was just drugged to it's like A. It was it was the traumas, parents plus royd rage was fancy fancy technique muscles but it was Roy. Great. Yeah. WHO's he's At the WWF I guess. Yep. Everywhere. Scandal awesome on the timer was the early nineties. Words isn't it? No you. Testified in. Congress, will Congress or whatever was that ladies are Actually that was yeah, that was much. Jose can. Brother. Yeah Jose Canseco Testify Yup. It helps those book about you getting serious shot up his but you know. Really. When you when you're a better, it is all about the but muscle the. Americas Americans but so yeah. Say speaking you know when it comes to. People say it's not like cap is anyone to talk. All right. Since we as we get you in our streets poison when You know. So. Exactly. Kool aid went in through your system there buddy. All right. Since we get the three fifty. Sure aright. Wrap up this captain storyline. Of the whole of this whole run by the way. AMD in a great show to To watchmen. We see kid reading the comic books at the newsstand. Yup. Alright. So three fifths actually reading this comic book, which is Weird. kind of a little. Time traveler don't worry about it. A little Bonzo can never ending dogging us where I'm reading the book that I'm reading in the Book Reading The book that I'm reading the Book Reading The book that I'm reading. Three fifty sinister dawn is who has been manipulating the commission on Superhuman activities stands at a gym facing him or five sparring partners dressed as captain America in a flash. The is attack the man who responded with lightning quick reflexes in in a matter of minutes has killed all five men Iranians with an aide to provide better opponents for his next workout and repairs to his palatial office overlooking the Capitol in Washington. DC there he muses on the American dream, which is inspired him to dedicate himself to enslaving the. Entire population of the United States bigly. He checks in with Douglas, Rockwell, his lackey on the commission who reports that Steve Rogers was cited in New York the day before Steve is indeed in the big apple pondering recent events and trying to decide on a course of action. Suddenly, a truck is out of control on a busy street quickly dawning his captain outfit he leaves into action carrying some boys to safety. Then catching a baby thrown from a stroller to the amazement of the crowds and catching the apple pie remember. At at the hospital in Fort Meade Captain America join, walkers recovering from injuries sustained in the Arctic, in the last two issues when he was visit when he has a visit from an angry war rockwell shaming him for his failure and demanding to know where is the shield after he leaves Battle Star tries to comfort his partner but Walker feels betrayed that Lamar called for help and they had to bring Steve Rogers Word Lamar leaves, and Walker receives a phone call telling him to come to a midnight meeting to find the shield locker suits up as captain. Americans thankfully leaves the hospital a late. Night session, the super of the Commission on Superhuman Activities Discusses The future of John Walker the legal problems stemming from his violent actions against the watchdogs in three forty, five, the left and right winger in issue three, forty, seven or Nazeer are not as serious as I thought his handler Adrian Sandwich. points out that Walker is a loaded bomb and should be quietly cut loose before he does something even worse commission head Douglas Rockwell Seasons on the passing mention of Steve Rogers to launch a bitter tirade against the former captain America startling and confusing the other commissioners. Later, the captain steals into the bill. Into the building. Walks in the Rockwell's office finding him in communication with his secret boss. Rockwell. Hastily, signs off Cap Confronts Him The manding answers, Rockwell refuses. But when the phone rings, he picks it up and dust is sprayed into his face from a hidden compartment the forming it into the image of a red skull the trademark of Captain America's arch enemy Cap traces the call I'm the villains location. Captain American John Walker as downtown office building for the mysterious meeting is ushered into aboard room where he's met by the arrogant businessman at a signal. Several costume figures enter a representative, each of ultimatum, the resistance, the sweatshop scourge of the underworld and the watchdogs. The Villain reveals that he is the secret leader behind all of these criminal organizations and informed walker that he is the Rogers the original. Captain. America. Then orders his minions to attack the stunt hero and walks out with a laugh. The battle commences instantly cap spring the action paddling his foes with almost statistically. The captain arrives at the same building and over a voice over a loudspeaker guides into an office where he confronts the mastermind overview screen, the villain claims that he is the red skull even though Steve saw him die in his arms in issue three hundred and explains that he is adopted a new face for a new era. Then reveals that seems replacement is John Walker the former super patriot and shows how he engineered a series of disasters in orange in order to tarnish. The name of Captain America Steve Walks out on the posting batting begins to search the building for him enters the boardroom or the new captain. America stands among the bodies of slain foes looking up walker sees the captain who he believes to be his worst enemy back at commission headquarters Rockwell's gruesome corpses discovered in the police called Foul Cooper takes charge determine and determine uncover rockwell secrets walker attacks Steve. Harasses that his opponent is as ponant is indeed the former. Super. Patriot Steve Relies. On his agility to avoid is enraged superstrong opponent walkers also quite agile and Steve. Has a hard time in it that we asked the time the ponder how is the mission to the commission was because he felt the need to test himself as Captain America. He finally gets in a lucky blow that knocks walker out the red. Skull. Then enters applauding steve performance in the to stand face the as the villain, those of his plan to destroy the country in the guise of. A handsome American businessman and Steve Grow suspicious. Walker comes to and hurls his shield hitting the villain in the back of the legs just as he was about this spray his dust of death from a cigarette holder instead he takes it those of his own weapon in the face and he's burned into a red skull. He flees in the heroes pursue but they can't find him later addressed the commission now headed by Val Cooper and explain the sinister plot behind the replacement of captain. Cooper asked John Walker to step aside is cap and offers the Steve Rogers once more to their surprise declines having learned that he can uphold the nation's ideals without the uniform as he's leaving Walker follows him into the hall and tells him that no one can fill the uniform like he can that only Steve's adopting the role once more will prevent another failure. Once he learns that Walker, speaking from the heart Steve. Readily accepts the mantle of Captain America wants. War. Just, such a weird idea that a businessman might someday destroy America. Anyway. I actually forgotten about the sweatshop yes. I. Actually did go back. These guys in green the powerbrokers guys. Yeah. I. Know Oh yeah. The sweatshop powerbroker. Okay. But Yeh. which actually would have been a long time ago by this point is this is really we read books covered like about a year of time. Over a year. Yeah to. Twenty issues together sweatshop. I, mean yeah. So which goes to show you how weird it is when you read it all at once. And you realize Oh. Wow. This was something that was read. You know from seventh grade to eighth grade for me so. It's interesting. It's interesting. Is What I'm saying Ya. And again like I say it's the that. Walker is like I love Walker at the end of. Your that's that's America's took us That's the only you can fill out this constant. That way. Yeah. So that's Nice Big Wrap up everything back to the way was. You know. That's nice in cap gets be cap again and you know and then I don't mention in this. They got that they wanted the casting right that's yeah. No, it's it's IT'S I don't know why they to that design technically demon designed it or you know what's weird like next issue that the commission John Walker's death like they fake like a scourge attack he's like like seemingly assassinated on TV and then yet they give they give him a new identity and stuff. Oh Yeah. Yeah. Because that's where I think. Cooper, who says Yeah Catholics Pretty. Good Productive Canarian? Yeah. Yes they John Walker's death that know give him a new identity probably step to you know. People don't. You know they. Hey, that's the guy protection. One that they give him the mind wipe and you know. All that stuff and then probably implant some more new new memory just like they did with. Brainwave Onstar girl so. Low Trust people putting memories and don't trust people putting their car where it doesn't belong. Okay. Take trick anytime you hear CAA or punchline. You know you really guy to our patriots. Starch creature. there. Drink where I I don't even have to drink apple juice, I can drink. Other Things Lilith. What did you think of this issue? I. I liked it. Actually, I mean I, think that three forty seven was the best issue out of this particular batch for me but this is very interesting but. I could just I could tear lilith three ridden through forty-seven. Actually, to me the best part of this. Issue is not happens in the issue proper but the backup feature with Arnim Zola and the skull oh? Yeah I was GonNa say I have a quick synopsis for that if you WanNa talk that. I mean. I mean it's basically it's a lot of flashback, but it's basically just explain Yeah Zola clone the skull, new body. Clone the Marble. Now, it hasn't been clone at some. Girl making forty dollars yet sinus. Steve Rogers DNA. Because as we saw when he died in three hundred, he kind of like. He kinda scratch Steve on the face early. Got Some the DNA. You are some kind of super bowl. Fear you. Know but then he goes he used that Dan the in a couple of times, and then of course, then we get the weird like Middle Red Skull there were like the original red skull's CNA and the original nineteen forties tapes that got put into his brain at that that clone thing. When that stole the exam, your brain part that gives you power. It worked in theory anyway. I don't even understand any of this. is going to bring him back you know. Well. Own Red. Skull's already back. That were the original or pistol. Well. Yeah. But no I mean red skull's back in. I'm not in current books. He's backing lukens. So your town house, he's not gonNA. He's not not have the red skull in his books come a hot. He's breeding score she's bringing back. red score. Obviously the man has a love for this late eighties Grunwald run which I think if you do yeah. You know I think there's actually a real beloved quality to this Ron. Captain America where people just thought. This was good I also like the fact that much. So the the Boris feature in this is how red scope came back boneless feature in evolutionary war was how the high of illusionary came back. Because when that cameras I the whole time was, no, I have the incredible hulk book where he gets beaten to. Devolve back to Amoeba. And then just. It was just such a cop, but well, actually my armor just repaired and then devoted me. See maybe I'm just a stickler but I love that back in days like when a character came back was supposed to be dead or did they explained how they came back these kids it's comex people come back all the time. They wanted to be a mystery for awhile. Yeah I mean if they actually role probably keep a mysterious but I mean, sometimes these are just like, yeah, this guy comes back. I want my superior spider man back. I. Love you auto, but I want my superior spider man back in. Lesson both worlds we get it are I want freaking I Want Marconi to just. Equa that. Guys not. So I'm just GONNA I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA, make another boyfriend in the lab. They closer with. First Weird Science. Oh my Lord. I'll just I got the I got his his brain tapes right year. Yeah Well No, you did something stupid. You made a deal with the devil but you know what? That's fine. You're back now. So wait and so my other me is still out there. Yeah but that's sent. You hear about that that's not import. Don't worry about it. Give me a kiss. Come on. Come on. Come on more. Will you know you WANNA promote the superior spider man doctor? Octopus. Yes. It's it's natural and. We can addressing that idea of like do clones have souls is there one sole spokesman all of them or are they orders? Pattern. That's who. I want I want that like I want that I want some politics in how kind of stuff going on especially if we're looking so much at Mefissa right now I wanna see the winglets. No you guys. You know like I have like eight thousand clones of myself everyone even me everyone in how now we actually have a voting. To to Gerrymander. Gerrymander. Hill. Awesome to me, but like that, that's that's probably a little hellfire. Charlie, the professor as kind of thing. Nailed it. Just want that story so bad. Gerrymandering in Hell because yeah. Politics is add totally your. It makes sense. It's all of sentient beings who have political histories you know these are being. That sounds. Good. This isn't. Of course. I want them to bring all these these figures together and talk talk this out because I just want to store where they're just like, Oh, don't mess with Lula a mess with Louis. But you know that's the thing I think that that would be a great story just because it will show the idea that that the demons are in charge of held the actual people being punished there are and just the idea of what if what, if all the souls in Hell rose up? And overthrew the demons. There's good demons on both sides Charlotte. I'm just saying it would be an interesting tact but yeah. Yeah. Boy But. PRESCIENT at some businessmen destroying the American dream. Remember don't. Be. Considered handsome. That's why did they head Christmas? Yeah. That's what they had Christmas slam in sex in the city. The city mister big was supposed to be a trump pastiche i. don't know that means that candace Bushnell actually did it trump at some point but I don't know it's gross. I noticed realize. But yeah, with Donald Trump used to be considered like you know a Suave Debonair. Business. Many you buy all the good pressure, one I've. Cheap you know. that. I will anything is that you know advertising is your is not as big of an expensive is anyway. Okay. Hey I don't know what happened but you guys want to hear a two part feedback from Ray. Yes sure. All right, everyone. How long? I don't know like I said the extent me to separate ones if got cut off or what but. All right so here. Here's part one. took. Couple bowls down the go. All right. Here's part one from ray from tonight moonlight podcast. Lotion American fans. This is right at Dodi destroyed sent board these issues that you will be covering. Big Ones three, forty, seven up to fifteen including adventures annual seventeen, eighteen, think talk by the. Any who? Again I think he's a really solid out up he more. Entertaining or more. Intense but really does ramp up culminates in the ECORSE, the meeting between a captain, America the captain and and John Walker. So, cool because we hadn't seen them together for such a long time I. Guess the last time was when John Walker was though Super Patriot anyway he just quickly flying through this. Left Wing Rod Winger Change. That was that was great and and John what a brutal brutal bugger ask. Really threatening the families and then really hoping offering Bible them. On their law which is good I guess how? Niche whacking. It. Really Cool. Actually I wanNA talk also about the end of that evolutionary war. Of the evolutionary wool in my that was really cool as well. Saying herk and Classic Basis Vanja and Grayhawk that would have excited you feel as well. Also. SAYING CAPS journey as well. Come back. was great to get that continuity between the annual and tim onto the Hydra base hooking up with with. Falcon. And hooking up with demand as well. So Very, very cool. Indeed have overall just. A really top notch stop from Grunwald the return of Red Skelton imagine him being missing fifty odd issues. So what's that's like having used or years? In comics and on the coming back in the in the coin body of Steve Rogers fantastic stop. Really enjoying it. Hoping that you enjoy it as well Charlie Aric and you would bill another. You enjoy these as well since week three fifty on your IRA sessions anyway best of luck with the discussion and I'll be listening as a wise catch a Lotta. So why do I sound like he was done so why did he send me a second one? Let's see. See than. Going on with by mention does all a little bit of a Blur meant in the herk here the hurricane adventures annual really cool. Stop saying her leading role in the you know tonight I just wanted to mention as well the high of illusionary. Intriguing. Character I find and dumb. I'm doing a bit of a ray rate despite a woman and he's got a role in that too in the original one. Spot on one I see actually the human version of him is one of the sheets of Jessica drew's parents. Anyway, so very interesting to. See Him in this adventure and such a highly. Powerful Bain also a love the ties in again because we're all rating, the comics around this time. Loved it saying, hulk the Grayhawk Spurted? Out. Pricing. to The desert and I believe that was brought up in the whole to Joe. fixit. Issues we covered if not, it's something that I've been reading in the paper David Omnibus but again, this continuity and Marvel had this continuity these days but would. Would incur improved things a thousand fold anyway I just wanted to mention ERC because he was he was brilliant in there actually thought that he's calling would be turned into the. The. Latter version costume that we know of the prices. But but not to be but anyway, it was fun to see how. People wrong. Anyway. That was that. Was it. Yeah. Raise we've got mail from Ray intro. The I knew he was going to mention Hercules because he loves that character. or Can. He mentions the Yang Conan's I. Make Sense. No but actually what I loved in this is how How really hurts designing? This is so Very nineties. In a way that I don't know if that was. Like was that his tendered costume at the time 'cause they don't remember him wearing that kind of weird armor when he fought the hulk. Back, when all the adventures the hulk. Yeah I know. I. Don't remember this costume except for this issue. Yeah I knows. It kind of reminds me of if you remember that late nineties. A west coast avengers of injuries was like Hawkeye and. A. Bunch of Lesser Avengers lesser known avengers they all had that weird armor. That very much. Struck me. It's on busy plus you can watch that So yeah, it was just a weird weird choice for this armor and May. Maybe that's why they would say that that Hercules did evolve and all the other perky leased the. Hercules. As you know, it's sort of like when when, when, when, the beyond sends him back in time than the other doom comes into that time strain. You know. When one? When one Hercules? APOTHEOSIS. Another comes in to his role. Now, I'm trying to remember the details, but no Hercules does I guess get devolved shows up again in I think the war Sometime after four hundred I think it's like the early four hundred or something. Yeah he so they bring him back with an exclamation. It's just not I'm a God we die all the time I forget what the explanation is but I'm pretty sure. Yeah. They give explanation. Yeah. There might even be like celestial or something involved. Africa. I'm trying to remember but yeah, it's something. That's back when they explain stopping comics. Yes. Well. Now they want the Michigan. They they WANNA get around to explaining it eventually they just usually don't have enough issues. Always do is stand around in an. Expose it, but we can't explain this to you. Yeah you know. We Still Love Him So. Don't act like we buying. Yeah. I. Yeah, so Hercules was great in that I. Agree. He hit his super evolution like from God to Super God was kind of cool but Yeah. It's amazing. Is I read this? How many of these panels that you see in these issues all wind up in the handbook to the Marvel Universe? Where you realize that because it was written contemporary contemporaneous -Ly and so. Loud these images show up there. Are also yeah. They need to bring back flag smasher like the lack smasher not just some guy in the suit. Mess with him so much. Yeah. Well, he's kind of a weird weirdly motivated superman because his motivation is world peace. He's kind of honestly he's the kind of character that if he ever teamed up with someone like You know a super genius who wanted to take over the world just to prove a point they would actually. If him in the wizard teamed up, they would actually probably take over the world. Because the wizard wants to just prove his smarter a really, you're not going to worry about the day to day and the fax machine is going to establish a universal democracy democracy with human rights protected. They could pull it off. It would be interesting. That is a terrible to I'd like to see. All right final thoughts. So. No matter how hard you try feel. Sorry. For everybody that make up. You know you're not done yet Japanese fan you're not going to change her. Maze Anyway. But yes. As I said, next week Wayne's world returns that team up eight ninety four wealth is excited followed in two weeks by it's GonNa. Be a big episode probably split it up between hosts. I think Mekonnen are gonNA cover streets of poison, the main story, and then I know Lilith agreed to do some backup stories with John Walker. So we'll see where squeeze Charlie in on that. Oak View. Let me know I'm here when you call. All right. All right. So yes, I have unlimited. Now, the the world of Marvel Comics is at my fingertips so Hey Marvel Marvel. You're welcome. We sold at least two Marvel Unlimited subscriptions one for Charlie One paret. So you're welcome. Oh he was. Yeah, he was complaining last night because he has raven said he says, Oh, DC, had something like this. He's like I would get it and I was like I was like Oh yeah I guess you guys don't get these universities like, yeah. Now can't get out oh they. Not, even a comic Book Brand, Branchville? No No. The ball. What that's a mixed. In TV shows, you know they tried to do a one thing for thing, but of course. 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Remembering Paul Allen: 1953 - 2018

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Remembering Paul Allen: 1953 - 2018

"The ski choir podcast is brought to you by Permira Blue Cross a company that believes the power of innovation and technology will improve customers lives by making healthcare work better, see what's cooking inside premier as test kitchen at premier dot com. Slash innovation that's p. r. e. m. e. r. a. dot com. Slash innovation, welcome to acquire. I'm geekwire co, founder, Todd Bishop, and I'm sad to report today that Microsoft co-founder, Paul Allen has died at the age of sixty five. Paul Allen was a giant figure at Microsoft and beyond founding huge number of companies, research institutions, philanthropies, and arts organizations. He passed away Monday from complications from non Hodgkin's lymphoma. It was his second fight with the disease and his absence will. We felt in almost every corner of life in Seattle and many other parts of the country. In the world. Impulse memory. We are sharing a conversation I had with him on stage. In two thousand eleven at townhall after the release of his autobiography idea, man, I remember this experience of interviewing Paul and like it was yesterday. I introduced him on stage at townhall and Seattle, and it was like a homecoming. You could hear the crowd react to him, and he was so candid in so many things, everything from his relationship with Bill Gates to his yachts and what it was like to have giant boats that went around the world. It was just really a fascinating discussion and have lots of strong memories of being both on stage with him and in the green room beforehand. It was just a really remarkable experience. And I think the tech world and the world at large are worse for his passing. We're glad we can share his words directly with you in this episode and please check geekwire for the most up to date coverage of his passing. Thank you. Everyone for joining us and Paul. I want to thank you for doing this with us tonight for being here and welcome home to Seattle. Thanks crazy in front of the crowd. I'd like to start with a question that I know is on the minds of almost every person in this room, particularly given the events of the past few weeks and Paul. It involves a relationship that I know is very important to you. It's a relationship that's had many ups and downs over the years. Many triumphs and challenges and currently faces an uncertain future. So I just want to get this question out of the way right off the bat is Matt Hasselbeck coming back to the hawks next year. Something else. That's a, that's a very good question, but obviously we're in, we're kind of. No-man's-land into labor dispute right now. So when that's when that's over, I'm sure we'll talk to men is agent again, but there's there's nothing resolved at this point. That's great. I didn't actually expect a serious answer that. I thought this was supposed to be serious. I hope there's some sports reporters in audience. Paul at the end of idea, man, you describe the book as one of the hardest things that you've done in your life, which is actually a pretty remarkable statement. What did you learn about yourself through the process of writing this book? Well, it was interesting process. I'd always intended to do a book at some point, just going through my my career and technology in the amazing spectrum of opportunities I've had and things I've been able to pursue. But when I got sick in November, October, November of nine of two thousand and nine, I just really it was it was time to do it because I wasn't sure it'd be able to finish it so so I went working on the book. I would get up each day and try to get down some of my thoughts and and it helped me get the process of doing that. Helped me get through each day was stimulated my brain, and but when you do something like this. You know there, there's a real. Revisiting of both the ups and downs of your life, and there's definitely some peak moments in some. And so you know, moments of that where things happen that weren't necessarily what you hope for or tough or you had to make tough decisions. And so some of those moments when you revisit them. And especially you. Go back over them over and over again because another thing that happened is my background in computer programming in a certain way was re was reenergized in terms of the editing of the book. I ended it every word in the book eight times. And I remember that I'm kind of a stickler for exactness. And so when you go over those tough moments, eight after eight times, he just you just don't want to do it much more. But but it was a rewarding who's very warning to do it. This book received a lot of coverage in the media prior to its release. In fact, it's somewhat ironic. I think one of the advantages of telling your own story usually is that you get to tell your own story, but in in some ways that didn't happen in this case. For those who are just getting the book who may have read some of the media coverage or the excerpts, what messages do you hope they actually take away from the the real book and what you've written here? Well, I'm someone that I basically get very, very excited about the creative process and creating things and having ideas, and, and when you see those ideas realized it's, it's just a wonderfully warning things. So obviously, being fortunate to be involved in in the birth of Microsoft, and then recently things like the brain institute, those are amazingly rewarding things that that that that carry on a Carolina, certain legacy that I'm very, I'm very proud of. And then of course, there's there's parts were things are more challenging and you make mistakes. So I hope people and they read the book can take away some lessons from from my mistakes and and ups and downs over the years to. But, but basically I hope they get. Sense of me as a person who's creative, and then maybe you can think about three to possibly as in your your own life based on what's in the book. Has your candor about Bill Gates in the book, jeopardize your longtime friendship with him? I don't think so, but I, I'm sure there are things in the bugs that that Bill wants to discuss and and he'll have a different slant about them. And Bill. And I've had many intense discussions over the years, and we haven't had a chance to talk about the book since it was published. I gave him a copy months ahead of publication, so he'd have a head start on it so that that discussion. We'll be very, very intense and he'll be very direct in as well. I do you think you'll be able to move on from that? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Obviously, we've, we've gone through so many things. Over the years and and. My departure, his his, his leaving, Microsoft retiring, I'm east German, Microsoft is is retirement. I'm so many different things over the years, and we both tried to help each out in different ways over the years to as I talk about on the book when he came to visit me when I was sick. Yeah, absolutely. You recently went through a second bout with cancer. And you write in the book, fits your illness. The second time has made you simultaneously more patient and less patient at. Can you explain for the audience in for us from people who may not have read the book, what you meant by that? Well, I think you're more patient because you realize that, you know, whenever you go through one of these treatment regimens, there's there's, there are many things that are completely out of your control, and you just have to be patient and and hope things work out for the best and be and be optimistic and take a positive positive attitude. On the other hand, you realize if there isn't a positive outcome, they your time maybe limited. So it makes you that much more focused on on realising your dreams and hopes because all of our times on this planet or are limited. So so it basically you're hit over the head with that idea when when these things happen and. It gives you an impetus to celebrate the things you really care about. So how has it changed how you plan to approach the remainder of your life? Will we see new things in your life as a result of that experience? No, I'm guessing guesting a wider net and I'm trying to move forward. Some of these things like the brain is trying to make them more ambitious and more successful in their scope. Not just the rain is to, but other things that we're working on and to try to realize those things were quickly. And certainly in technology is it's almost true that you can't move. You can't do quickly, but things like research research on the brain that takes decades. You're, you're trying to plan the course of an organization that's hopefully going to have an impact ten twenty thirty fifty years in the future. So it's all those things. And of course, just on another very important note. I mean, you realize I realize when I was three and of course I realized, again this time when when I found out that I was unfortunately sick again, that you know, you're the support you get from your your family and friends is so key to getting through any of these kinds of illnesses. You're also very candidate in the book about your feelings about your analysis of present day Microsoft. It's a great chapter in the book called hell house, referring to the lineup of Facebook and Google, and apple, and all the others that are eating Microsoft's lunch in some ways. If you're still if you're still around us chief technology officer, for example, what would you do? What would be your prescription for Microsoft today? Well, when these new platforms, the PC was a new platform. So one of these new platforms come come into existence or come into existence in a very strong new way, whether it's the iphone, coming on the scene or the ipad coming on the scene, you have to recognize those jumped on the opportunity and and be competitive as fast as you can. And I think. You know, I think Microsoft is trying its best to address those now, but they're they're trying to creep up on the and match the competition here. That's already got a very strong presence in an iphone and Google's Android. So these new platforms are are key, and you just, you just can't. You have to have the Jilay. You can't miss the opportunity and let others almond opportunity. And so I think Microsoft is pulling out all the stops. Now as far as I understand from talking to people there to try to recapture those opportunities. So bit of a litmus test here do carry an iphone windows phone, Android, or blackberry. Actually, I'm little bit old school. I use a blackberry. My mother, my mother, God lesser. Forced me to take touch typing when I was sixteen, I might thumbs. I got really fast thumbs on the blackberry keyboard. Not so much on. And so I sent quite a few emails every day. So so I'm sure at some point I'll I'll convert to. Two new platform it what might that. What might that new platform deal evaluating? I'm still. I'm looking all the alternatives and I tried to, I think it's important. You know, if you love technology to try the different alternatives to try the iphone and and the new, the new windows mobile phone is a is a is a great is a great platform, so an Android. So I've tried them all and they're all different. They're all interesting and but my whole my whole things to try to imagine where technology is going to go one, two, three, four, five years from now and see where the chips that are in the products of developing and see how that's going to influence things and then see how the software that's coming along and influence the platforms. So I think it's fast. Then this is kind of my. I don't know. I consider my forte is trying to understand where things are going. I don't think you do that without without trying all the different alternatives. You're listening to geekwire. We are playing a conversation that I had back in two thousand eleven with Paul Allen the co, founder of Microsoft in remembrance of his life. As we report the news today, Monday October fifteenth twenty eighteen of his passing at the age of sixty five. We'll be right back. This geekwire podcast is brought to you by Permira Blue Cross. 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On the subject of science fiction. One of the things that you mentioned in the book is the inspiration that this book played in your life rocket ship Galileo. In fact, I was inspired to go find it on EBay. As a result of your mentioned, it's about teenage boys who build a rocket in the desert and blast off to the moon and the parallels to your own life or are hard to miss. What did science fiction mean to you as a kid? How did it shape your life and how's it still part of your life today? Well, I still read a fair bit of science fiction, just just for fun. I think back in those days, the concepts of of whether it's communication satellites or going to the moon. I mean in in this in the late fifties and sixties, you know, we used to go, I went to Ravenna school and nor CLA used to wheel in the TV on a carton we'd watch the mercury and Apollo. Launches in grade school, I guess I guess by Apollo, you're talking about actually about two hundred high in high school, but but so there was that love of, I mean, space space and space. Travel was in the air and I'll never forget. You know, my mother loves my my parents, both my parents love, love glitz. My father worked university of Washington libraries and as as a manager there. And so I grew up around books and my mother working this thrift store. She would always say in the problem was she would price books at the thrift store. So every day she'd say, and then she'd come home with a sack of books and and she say, well, how can you not by good but for fifteen cents. And so she. We supposed to be selling these books. So I grew up around so many books, but one time he took me to. To the library in Wedgewood. And I found in the SCI fi in the juvenile science fiction section, I found rocket ship Galileo, and that was my entree to to science fiction, and I just loved it. And I think it inspires your creativity and your ability to think out of the box and think that you know, wild and crazy ideas are possible, and it's just amazes me that I've been able to to live and see realize some of those wild and crazy ideas like spaceship, one. Speaking of spatial one. You obviously accomplished much there in collaboration with your team. It's an understatement. Why not continue with that and get into get into commercialization of space, full full-bore and widely. That's a guys like Richard Branson. I mean, does he really deserve to ride on your coat tails with that. Well, Richard Richard is super fast about. Private commercial. Space, tourism and more power to him, and and they've licensed technologies in space ship one for for their for spaceship to. If you talk about getting to orbit, you have to have a much bigger rocky, basically take seven over seven times as much energy to get a pound of anything or a person into space. So so that means a much bigger rocket and much more capable system. So I'm very intrigued. By the possibilities of doing something like that, but but no announcement yet, I did find the experience as a programmer of seeing a test pilot. Go straight up at mach five and this rocket that's been built in a couple of years and with some brand new software in it. I mean, Microsoft. If you got a, you're developing something, you've got an air message, you say, okay, fine. We'll start again just by it. That's what I used to do. Something goes wrong in a rocket and usually extremely. There's an extremely bad outcome. So. So before the flights I would, I would have a speech in my pocket basically saying, I'm, I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen. We've had. We've had a departure from normal flight and there's been a fatality, whatever. She had to be ready for that. And that was very far from my from my experience. So. If I do something like that, I'll have to be cognizant of those risks. Those test pilots are extremely brave. Individuals. And skilled. You mentioned earlier, the Allen institute for brain science and the potential impact of the Allen institute maybe hard for non-scientists understand. Can you paint a picture for us of what the world will be like someday, how it will be different if the research that you're funding accomplishes, what you hope? Well, any brain research is along. I, I'll say any any brain research is a long term project because it's so amazingly complex and soul, mysterious and just bear. We're just starting to understand the outlines of how things work, I guess is how I would. I would characterize it. So there's two different aspects to the question. One is understanding how the human brain or any brain the mouse brain is actually the brain that we did I instead of rains did I. How, how do they work? How do they function? How do they react to their environment and and learn and reacted novel ways. Process of formation. It's so completely different. The way computer does. And as in some of the program computers that fascinates me. I mean, the brain is designed was designed by Evelyn, so each part of it is optimized for what it does. And so it's incredibly incredibly complex and I and I like to think recently about the idea of there's a complexity brake that slows you down because you want them and you get these things, you think, okay, I'm starting to understand this, then you realize, oh no, no, it's ten or one hundred times more complex to fully understand that thing that aspect of the rain that you thought. So anyway, this there's, there's the whole set of things. Excuse me. The has to do with understanding how the brain works. So that's so that's completely fast. That's completely fascinating as you know, just because we all went understand really how how to our blinds work. Why are we who we are all those always amazing questions and ultimately will arrive at some, you know, decades from. Now we'll understanding what rive at a much better understanding of that. Then there's, you know, trying to understand basically at at a chemical level and a biologic level, how the different parts of the brain work. And if you did, and if you understood that and those aspects of the medical aspects of the rain, then you could possibly bring forward treatments to neuro degenerative diseases like Alzheimer's, so which which my mother suffers from so. So you so you. So you're very hopeful when you do these things like release our date on the mouse brain, which is which important experimental animal. And now I said, if you brains that will bring forward and make happen earlier some some possible treatments for those diseases, how optimistic are you now. I'm very optimistic and the approach we've taken with these fairly unique, not completely unique, but it's like the human genome project. We are trying to put a database information online that scientists around the world can access for free, and that will exhilarate all of their research. They don't have to say, okay, genetics, human brain. I need to start slicing up some tissue that date is already online so they can say, okay, gene, that's related to Prozac what parts of the brain are affected by Prozac. And then if you combine Prozac was something else you have. Anyone can tell you many, many things, and it can still write all potentially gonna Hillary all of their research so that to get to the core of the problem. So we really understand something every all these side different scientists can benefit and and amazingly. And worryingly it's become kind of it's become a standard tool for scientists to use care about the genetics of the brand already. Speaking of the brain. Let's talk about music for a second. This is a topic that I wanted to explore and based on some of the questions you do too. So when it makes a few of your questions in with mine, my band is here tonight too, but they're not playing citizen. I care about them. I saw them downstairs. They look quite the group they are, but I won't get into that. In the book you write about the catharsis of playing music and you talk about how you're on a good riff and your shoulders just sinking. What does music mean to you? Well. Well, I mean, music music is a is another mysterious thing, but it's a form of of expression. So you can play. Just not of a blues tune, and yet when you play a solo on that, you can. You can go to a creative place where you're just riffing in your own particular way with your own expression. And it's just a wonderful. It's a wonderful thing. And be able to the book I talk about meeting some of the amazing musicians I've been able to play with over time those those experiences have you know, because I, I consider myself a decent, amateur guitar player. Some of these people are, you know, there's a reason, you know, Mick Jagger or bond, or any of these people. They are extremely talented, what they do. I mean, amazing and they can improvise. And I mean, it's extremely creative process. They go through and create their amazing works of art. So I just feel wonder if I just feels wonderful to me to be able to to jam with my band and play some songs and occasionally have these unbelievable experiences you whether it's witnessing others create or or actually occasion very occasionally, be able to play with them. You tell this great story in the book about Bano convincing Mick Jagger too. To place out his faction to sink satisfaction as you play. Can you? Can you explain how how Bono pulled that one off? Well, he's clever one that bottom. Well, we, it was Mick. A friend of mine was throwing a birthday party for for mic, and I brought a bunch of. That we could have kind of. An improvised jam, and I asked a couple times make, you know, you feel like playing and make. He just didn't seem into it. It's like, nah. He lets his birthday party. So then I go, I go to model. I said, I don't know what to do. Mic doesn't want. It doesn't feel like it might be fine. He says, I know what we'll do out sing his song or lease slowly and he'll he'll have to sing it. I know they have to sing it. So so so we start playing satisfaction. And modernising really slowly and mix starts to look nervous like something is something has gone wrong in the universe. That's my song. This has to stop. So he went and grabbed the microphone and he's and he's thinking satisfaction. I'm playing the main rift is at his faction, extremely nervously behind him. And then the song is over. I look over a bottom of Monica lls. Dole Joe. So that was that was that was a fantastic little little interlude there. What's your favorite guitar? Ally play with what's what? Hendrix is favourite. Guitars, finish Stratocaster electric guitar. And it's not that easy to play, but if you can get, you know your your technique, you know halfway decent, then you can make some amazing. Sounds and and feedback and everything else come out of it. I was fortunate to see Jimmy play here in Seattle twice. I think he came three times once at six stadium. I think one set. Keyarena and those. You know, my first concert actually was a key arena, and that was that was a mind blowing. Experience for I guess I was seventy seventeen something like that. So so that was for one. So I was another Seattle was sunny with the feat of trying to learn some of these things. And for years I would play along to record 's without me help try just how does he how the heck does he do that? And. You know? So year after year I would, you know, slave away is I probably is a teenager. I some point I thought, well, I could. I could go into programming or music programming or music. Programming one, but I never stopped playing. And so I kept slowly shutting my way through purple haze year after year. And so after twenty five years. I could play a half decent purple haze. And it was funny to talk to his base player, no reading, and I say what it was like, what was it like with Jimmy, we'd come and he'd say, oh, you come in like after one night and the next day come in and say, here's a simple. The wind cries Mary and you know, I run about half an hour and here we go. Let's let's let's record it. You know, typically twenty five years. So. So it's remarkable that a lot of engineers actually software engineers are musicians as well. It's an interesting correlation and there's other similarities to, you know you're sort of in a band of other programmers. And so some ways you actually you're part of the one of the greatest bands ever. It was called Microsoft's, you know. We had our hits. Few in the top ten there. We'll be right back with more of my two thousand eleven conversation with Paul Allen at town hall in Seattle. Today's podcast is sponsored by dot tech domains. Domain names. Turn your business into a brand. That's why it's so important for top tech entities to find that perfect Demane name short memorable and relevant brands like Intel. The consumer electronic show in Viacom are already using dot tech registered. You're dot tech domain. Now go to get dot tech. That's g. e. t. dot tech and use code geekwire to get ninety percent off a one or five year registration. This episode of the geekwire podcast is brought to you in part by the university of Washington's department of human centered design and engineering, a nationally recognized program in user experience. Research and design companies can now sign up for their November first career, fair, and recruit top notch talent skilled in tackling design challenges with a people centered approach Seymour at bit dot l. y. slash h c, d, e, career, fair. You explain in the book shifting back a little bit to business here you explain in the book that one of your abilities. One of your knacks is to see what's next to piece together, different things that are coming up dating back to your early days. Reading the early hobbyist magazines in piece them together into one big idea and recognize that that's the thing you need to pursue. Why haven't more of your ideas since Microsoft seen more commercial success. Well, sometimes you can be too early. That's one poss-. There's many ways. Having the ideas not sufficient, you have to have a great team of people. You have to be able to execute realize the idea. You have to convince people to to try out the idea and market and sell it. And if you're volved in big companies, there's financial aspects you have to be very, very cognizant of to make sure everything's in good shape financially. So I talk in the book very directly about all the different ways. Things can go wrong with which there are a few. So. Yeah, so that's, that's that's, you know, that's just, but that's part of the creative and you try things and you're a risk taker, some number of those things that are going gonna fail. Now, if you read the book, you'll know some ways to avoid those things. The failure. So I hope I'm just I'm just joking. No. You did help to create one of the most successful startups in the history of the world. What have you learned through that experience and through your more recent experiences about the most important ingredients for creating successful businesses? Again, I mean, the first thing you start with start with the idea and to get to the idea. My approach is always been just it's Macy Molo random, but it's just to stuff your your brain with as many ideas as much information about in this case, computer chips and software kind of your brain can stand. And then I'm just lucky enough to every once in a while. I'll see a connection between two things like microprocessor chips and software. In this case, the basic language was just what Microsoft's first product was. So you have to have the idea that you have to find the team, and I was lucky to meet villain highschool. And we met another guy at Harvard that could write the math part of the basic. And so we had a team there that turned out that. I basic and under two months, and then I flew out Albuquerque with it so that so that the to have the right team and then you have to, you know, there is definitely some luck of of, you know, microprocessors the marketplace. The alter computer was there and and we had a customer and the next thing you knew we were often running and then everybody wanted our basic. So all of those factors come into play since leaving Microsoft, your primary focus in business and technology has been as an investor did you ever consider or would you even consider today picking one of your ideas and making a comeback as a day to day chief technology officer. No, I really leave. I really leave the development of programs and those things to to people that are familiar with having implement things these days, my knowledge of of implementation, although I could get back in there and s and really tough question, but it's which I do. I do. Yeah, that's one of the things I do is I try to ask the best possible questions I can, but CTO. No, but I do look at user interfaces that was, I always felt that was really interesting. Way to add value. So I do look at those things and and people in different organizations that that I've spent time with will tell you that. You know, just the craft of technology. If you follow it through the years is is a place you can add. You can add valley. You and Bill. This is an audience question. You and Bill started at a time when the microprocessor was being revolutionized into the next generation. What do you see as the next evolution or revolution? And it doesn't specify subject area, but is there something along those lines coming up that that you see is equivalent to the revolution of the microprocessor. Well, equivalent to the microprocessor. No, that that was a radical change both both. Well, basically, in performance, you got a very low price suddenly. I mean, all of a sudden people could could buy computer that could do something for thousand dollars, and they did. So so that was amazing. I think when I looked at a future now, I think of both these new platforms that are mentioned the smartphone platform and the tablet platform. But I think if where we're software can be ten fifteen twenty years from now and how we can build more artificial intelligence and things like that. I think recently people have seen with with Watson that won the won, the beat human players on jeopardy. That's an example, but not the only one of the way for you have another project at rejoin that Vulcan called halo, which is which is trying to encode the knowledge in a biology textbook into into software. So you can ask questions, it's, it's, it's very, very challenging to do some of those things. So you can't things that I'm basis. You have to look at a very long time frame to. Actualise them, but there's there's so many exciting here. I've just looked looking the re the last five, six, seven years. Social networks came from nowhere. You're on Twitter, what? What do you think of Twitter and Facebook and all that? Well, I was thinking the other day I was thinking. You know, I should. I should send out some some tweet, like as kind of a joke, saying, bitter billionaire retires. This is my last tweet. Lookout. Howard Hughes. Coming to going to biggest today. But. Nice. But yes, I just don't like ice station zebra that much. I can't see my that was that was his favorite movie. He just sit there watching it over and anyway, can't see. It can't see it. No, no. But I think anything where where you can follow, you know, people that are sending out. I think the most interesting thing about Twitter, for example, is people will send you links to things. They find interesting articles, and so now they're starting to appear. Some things that will show you all the articles directly of a things that you know that that kind of taste makers and people that follow technology. I mean, if you look on my Twitter account, you're going to see people everywhere from comedy to technology to science. It's a pretty broad range of of different things. I think that's a great way of helping you aggregate stimulating knowledge and trans and things like that. And then you have things like then you have Facebook and the other sites like that that are more about staying in touch with your friends. And you know the research social animals that it's amazing if you think about why wasn't. Why wasn't something like like Facebook done years earlier? It could have been. There was nothing stopping that from occurring it. You have to have the idea. So there's always things that come down the pike that you don't expect that suddenly affect Oliver lives in a great way. And I think that's one of the wonderful aspects of technology that was Paul Allen in two thousand eleven speaking with me at townhall after the release of his book idea, man to find much more coverage of his life and impact on the tech world. Go to geekwire dot com. Thanks for listening. Everybody and rest in peace. Paul until next time I'm Todd Bishop. You're listening to geekwire.

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Genie Chance and the Great Alaska Earthquake

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Genie Chance and the Great Alaska Earthquake

"Well I suppose you WanNa know where I was when this disaster took place. I was driving on my way home and I began to feel that The car had just purchased Was a lemon because the wheels appeared to be running off the car. I managed to stop the car and I looked in stupefaction at the road. About ten feet ahead of me and saw the road break open and then Like two big. Have the huge sandwich start. moving I like Scissors back and forth one half moving in one direction. The other half moving in the other direction and all the time while watching the Road it suddenly dawned on me that this was not an ordinary disaster that it was perhaps one of the greatest disasters to hit North America. I kept thinking what will Alaskans do. Not while Alaskans do now. There are moments when the world we take for granted instantaneously changes when reality is abruptly and the unimaginable overwhelms real life. We don't walk around thinking about that instability but we know it's always there at random and without warning a kind of terrible magic can switch on and scramble our lives. You may know the feeling in one thousand nine hundred eighty four. It happened to Anchorage Alaska into a woman named Jeannie. Chance For The New York Times. I'm Michael Bavaro. This is the daily today. The Great Alaska earthquake was the biggest earthquake to ever hit North America. John Moa author of the book. This is chance on the story of that disaster and the voice that held the state together gets Friday. May Twenty seconds Sunday February twenty third nineteen sixty four a month before the earthquake just before one pm the deciding heat of the World Championships sled dog races was about to start. They have estimated the crowd as high as twelve thousand and all of anchorage it seemed it gathered downtown to watch the one time of the year the only year we ever get that many people who lack the city at the wonderful thing. The races were one of the longest running traditions in the community. That didn't have a lot of traditions yet. Something for the fledgling city to look forward to in the coldest loneliest stretch of winter. Thank the city of Anchorage. We'll be back with more after this important method Anchorage Alaska in nineteen sixty. Four was a blotch of Western civilization in the middle of emptiness Alaska had become the country's forty-nine nine state five years earlier and it was often disregarded as a kind of free floating Denham to the rest of America. Anchorage was Alaska's biggest and proudest city. A community is the central spirit. One visitor wrote reached aggressively and greedily to grasp the future impatient with any suggestion. That such things take time. It was a modern day frontier town. That imagined it was a metropolis back straining to make itself real. Here's the countdown okay. There we go one o'clock God Mike and Keith. Prior real find eleven dog lining brain radio station and I was covering the races. Bitney them going over. Let's get out of Jeanie and then plays in through the broadcast to a part time reporter named Jeannie chance just gun set up at a radio. Checkpoint at the top of Cordova Hill as the sleds dashed by. Genie was relieved. She made it in time. She was the only woman covering the event for Katie and I enter. Bosses had given her a tough assignment started the day the spot at the beginning of the course but once she'd broadcaster play-by-play there she had to scramble along a few miles of icy roads to this checkpoint. Further along the route for the dogs cloud buyer again had of able it. It right going down. That hill is should made it because professionally genie chance was relentless center. She had to be a genius. Said to be the first female newscaster in Alaska at thirty seven years old. She was strikingly beautiful with short wavy blonde hair and high cut bangs. She grew up in a small town in Texas where she met her husband. Winston and had three kids there. Winston sold used cars but he wasn't particularly good at it even when he did manage to land a commission he had a habit of blowing it on a steak dinner and drinks before he got home. The financial strain started to stabilize their marriage and the pressure fell on genie to hold the family together and make their precarious life feel safe or not. Poor she toward children. We just don't have any money at the time. A wave of young Texans was decamping for jobs in Alaska and Winston was convinced it was a land of opportunity where anyone willing to work could wind up flush. The genie hesitated. Alaska didn't sound like a fun adventure to her. It sounded desolate and dreadful like moving to the moon then again. If life didn't improve for her and Winston in Anchorage maybe divorce might feel a little more feasible. There should be at the edge of the world. Nobody would have to know. But Alaska didn't solve winstons troubles with money and before long. The chance family was unable to pay the rent. Winston said not to worry he'd sell some cars soon. Genie worried and this is what a good wife is supposed to do. She wrote just wait at home for her man to bring money into pay the bills and feed the family if other wives do it all the time. Why can't I learn to relax and let it happen? She went to Winston Weeping. One day she said and he told her all. If you're so worried about paying the rent why are you sitting on your fat fanny? Get out there and get a job. Genie was speechless two weeks later. She got herself hired at Katie. And I got all the hills Jan. I Cornell here you're looking at the time women. Broadcasters typically covered fashion and homemaking or hosted on air recipe swaps but in her year and a half at the station. Gene forged a role for herself as an industrious roving reporter. She covered crime in the courts in City Hall. She reported from crab boats and missile sites burning buildings in villages and sled dog races Gary back during the final stretch of the race. Genie lost herself in the excitement. A little and just started shouting. Oh yes into a microphone as the mushers past broadcaster appeared to make a sly off-colored crack about her breathlessness on the air. Here Bill Robert. Genie tried to be gracious and STOIC. Do what was expected of her without complaint. She figured this was the only way to defuse the discomfort of the men around at the end of the sled dog races that afternoon. She'd sign off by thinking not only all the listeners and spectators but her male co-workers to act act every she was also sure to thank her. Honey I'll neighbor for his permission giving it a fine job in. Here's Mike Steph. Sometimes the future falls open without a warning. The earthquake when it came would not people's lives off kilter so brutally in abruptly that its power seemed to reverberate forever. Some people like Jeannie would find their lives oriented differently and its aftermath others would find their entire worldview had changed more than half a century later. In Attorney in Anchorage would explain even now I can look at this solid ground out my window and no. It's not permanent. Can Change anytime it moves. Everything moves anyway. This is sue. Genie was and where everything stood before what it stood on moved Friday march twenty seventh nineteen sixty four the night of the earthquake on the night of Good Friday nineteen sixty four. I was writing a letter to a friend in Juneau. Run Five thirty genie. Chance sat at the typewriter in her bedroom stealing some time alone before fixing dinner for husband Winston and their three children eight-year-old Jan eleven year old Albert and thirteen year old Winston junior or wins who just then appeared bedroom door. My son went came to me and said that Egypt had to get down bookstore. You've forgotten to buy a copy of the Red Cross lifesaving manual that he was supposed to bring to swimming class the next morning and I had played for Heaven Sakes when you have to have something. Don't white a last minute. You've no genie on a pair of boots and a Parka and headed out when so when did I got in the car. Night was still on somewhat of a unhappy mood about having to make a last minute. Aron downtown at five thirty. Six Snow is falling as Jeannie and winds headed downtown. The city was quiet as they approached the intersection of C. Street a ninth. The traffic light turned red as I touched my break. The car began to found the car started booking said Oh no it's just what's the matter. Blowout ingenious should blown a tire. And then it got worse she grip the wheel wins held onto his seat beside her for a moment they bounce violently without speaking a word nothing was shared between us for a few minutes and I said you know it's not a blowout. It must be a hard wind. And he's boy a window right but the car boat worse worse than I lowered my window and I heard banging inclined banging looked across on one corner of the intersect cars parked in a line. Were slamming into one another separating again like a grotesque accordion opening and closing. I sat down the street to my left to people holding onto each other trying to stand up three games the world and everything in it appeared to be convulsing jeans is we're seeing it but her mind could organize all this information into a coherent story. The car continued to bounce and suddenly she watched the road roll away from the car. Crack rolled is though some humpback shadow creature were surging under its surface heading for town. Finally Genie found a word that could fasten together. This chaos in her mind. I said once this isn't worth quake went could only say yeah Great Alaska earthquake lasted four and a half minutes. It overwhelmed people the way the strongest emotions do was pure sensation coming on faster than the intellects ability to register. It was amazing what details people noticed the focal points. Their minds locked onto when the world went blurry on Fourth Avenue a high school track star. Watch the window of a stationery store rattle and explode. And he stood there and miring the perfect hurtling form of the man came leaping out of it at Presbyterian Hospital. One man watched blood seeping into the hall from under a doorway like a scene in a horror movie. It took a second for him to realize that the hospital's blood bank and broken open and spill at the JC. Penney department store a fifteen year old in the elevator with some friends watched a book that of them had dropped suddenly levitated off the floor and hang weightless in mid air right in front of him for a split second was like they were in orbit. The elevator was falling But genie's mind had already turned to reporting the news. As soon as it stopped I looked up and I could say that Television Tower was still standing. She assumed her station would have power back on soon and that the six o'clock news broadcast would go on as usual. Deadman should less than twenty minutes to put together a story. I knew we had no power by the fact that traffic lights went out. But I knew that are very ingenious. Engineer has on the air very shortly and genius sped to the public safety buildings. The police and fire departments were headquartered around up some details for quick report as I dashed in. I saw that all of their huge heavy filing cabinets and desks were thrown face down on the floor and My son went came running in the door and he yelled come. Quick Pennies is falling standing in the doorway of the public safety building. They could see the brand new. Jc Penney Department Store building was a point of pride in Anchorage. Pennies was one of the first major chain retailers to believe in Alaska enough to build the state but as I stood there and watched but now is and wins watched through the flurry snow slabs of concrete wall silently break loose and start toward the crown tremendous. Concrete panel from the exterior started to swing away from the building is though on a hinge and it felt at this trait with a roar deafening roar with the facade peeled off. Parts of the store were now open to the cold. They're exposed like the rooms of dollhouse and went looked at me and higher. I need is all at once. She registered the extent of the wreckage around air. A voice said something about people buried in the rubble. A group of men came running down the street. Yelling Fourth Avenue is gone and behind them. Genie could see the roof of familiar building resting on. The street jabbed into the pavement incomprehensible angle. Then was the first time that I thought the first thing I do before I go any further. If get my family together and make sure everything is all right. I wheeled out of there and headed home. Oh before we got home I could see the house was still standing and I remember briefing out loud. Thank God and she pulled up. Jen and Albert shod out of the neighbor's house across the street winds left out of the car and ran to his sister and brother said Penny has fallen down. And there's more damage downtown and out then pulled off from me. And he looked at me. Very so reliant. He said I'm all right. Don't worry about me. Go On and do your job all three chance. Children began to understand without being told that their mother would be leaving again. Genus proud of how self sufficient or kids have become whatever pride she felt was undercut by guilt. She knew her family was growing independent over at sesame because she wasn't around as much as other mothers and wives were found in the lower forty eight. The women's movement was underway. But Anchorage was fifteen hundred miles away from the rest of America. Feminism wasn't a word. Genie used her struggle to balance. Work and family felt like problem. Unique to her. An isolated moments could trigger self-doubt at breakfast one morning a few weeks earlier. The family was watching through the kitchen window as their neighbors scrape the ice off her husband's Cadillac before he left for work. This was the custom among many anchorage wives. But in the chance the roles were reversed. Winston warmed up the car for Jean. Now Winston Astor honey if I get you a cadillac like that. Would you scrape the ice off and warm it up yourself? There must have been a tinge of disgruntlement in his voice because before genie could answer eight-year-old Jan interrupted to remind her father. He was actually very lucky. It's not everyone gets to warm up the car for Genie. Chance was funny but uncomfortable and in hindsight it might feel ominous to since after the earthquake. The more successful genie became more Winston seethed. It was nearly six o'clock about twenty minutes since the quake the last half hour of daylight account. I headed immediately back down to the downtown area. Still thoroughly confident. We would be on the air in a very short time and I would have to have something to say and Jeannie headed back downtown. She kept her transistor radio tuned to unite. Hoping the station would be back on air in time for the hourly newscast so far. Nothing when we static down toward on the within minutes she was back at JC. Penney got the car part about a half parked in approach the store but stopped short in front of a slab of something in the snow. She stared at it. Mesmerized and repulsed couldn't place what it was. She remembered as a girl in Texas watching her father kill off his few remaining hogs after a snowstorm and hang their flushless hindquarters from the rafters of the barn. This thing in the snow reminded genie of that. Somehow finally a man shouted an explanation to her was half a woman. He said he'd seen her get struck by the falling debris. Genie moved on quickly. I overdo that Fourth Avenue to survey the damage there so that I could make report and I was horrified to discover that to Hove WLAC. Tich implicit fallen into a crack. That had opened up and there was no straight onto them for two whole blocks. Everything was wedged in a ragged. Chasm netted ripped open under the street for Avenue has just collapsed is just collapsed soon. An aftershock struck. The windows of a bank started popping spraying glass across the sidewalk ahead of genie as she headed back to her car. For transistor radios still tuned to Kane. I continued to broadcast static. It was snowing hard. The Sun was setting the city going dark now telling how. Many people laughed at home without heat power without telephoned. She knew that the citizens of Anchorage were scattered around. Cut off from each other. The electrical grid was down. Most phone lines were dead. There'd be no way to know exactly what had happened or how thoroughly their world had been jumbled. I realized that if there's any way can be a service I've got to do it. I heard the where trains music coming over our ice station. And I knew that are exhilarate. Unit had gotten on the air. We were on the air some way which when an announcer finally broke through I called in. Genie called the station from the Portable Radio Unit. In your car explaining that she was ready to make a report about the situation. Downtown earthquake struck Anchorage Hour. Ago was a major one. A great deal of spoke fast short. Quick Breath depending building had to wove collapsed however is believed at the time of everyone who was inside. The building managed to escape safely. There is a two blocks for shutter on Fourth Avenue for the building just cirque into the ground. She was astonished glitter when people told her she sounded COM K. And I will keep you informed throughout the night so stay tuned to your radio heck on your neighbors if they districts they don't actually they could move with you and share one tonight. It seems like it's going to be a long call for Anchorage so provide a baton down the hatches and stay tuned K and I drove back to public safety building. We're city officials were gathering. She told the Fire Chief and police chief that I was on the air again and that she had her mobile unit ready to go live. There were free to use her rigged broadcast announcements without much thought. The police chief immediately offloaded that job on genie. She was going to be the one talk in Anchorage. She told me quarter here in. Charlotte building is angry. She started reeling off the information she'd collected taking uncertain stock of anchorages wound. Apparently a great deal of damage just west of L. Street there at Ninth Avenue. Of course we've only. We have received word from the state police that the Eagle River. Bridge is passable. We had the two dogs owned by the oil companies. Down there at seward. Currently on fire she listed the locations of public shelters opening up for the displace started directing equipment personnel around. The city has a spare chlorinate or they are in dire need of Coronate or there at Providence Hospital. Please go to building seven hundred line personnel report to work as soon as possible. Well we're ready to go again. The plug got kicked here and we ran out of power. I thought maybe it was one of those little trimmers. Don't contact trucks dumber dumber and. He is needed urgently to install the chlorinated at providence tasted a pastor of Paris. This is a message for Mr Great Pink in the city managers for ordering heard put out a call for diesel ethic of public health officials stood over. She repeated his instructions for purifying snow for drinking potholed late to every five gallons of rhetoric. Your enough to just melt it but boil it also right now. That is understood that everyone would be trapped together for the foreseeable future. The snow in the dark. No electricity below freezing temperatures. Under those circumstances Shubert hurt later. Mass hysteria would have meant total destruction a chlorinated. We're happy to Reform and has been installed at Providence. Fiddle it arriving essentially. She was doing her job. She was talking to Anchorage on the radio. There's one man put Jeannie chance was telling everyone you're not alone. I radio will fit in where we are needed and do our best to carry on for hours a day. We have another message to make sure. And that's how the first is unfolded. Something else was happening. That Friday night to thread of this story that as time passed come to feel almost like folklore and MRS R W Fisher have lost their children. They can't find them. Mr and Mrs Fischer is the home of Charles Ball Mister. At the public safety building ordinary people who are separated from their children or other family members started stumbling up to genie's counter and asking her for help they were converging on genie. Desperate to know if somebody they loved with safe to find one another to shout crossed their fractured city in the dark. No would like to get a message if at all possible as to their whereabouts and if they are alright Merrill Pflieger who lives on eighty sixth avenue. Please come Home Minister and Mrs Big Fisher are still here at the police headquarters at six and see waiting for any word out their children their home when off the bluff. They're out there in the tournament area where we understand a great deal of damage to the hook the teeny could amplify their voices with her own is the night went on. Sadler. Maybe Sadler is fine. Can Estado out in the bush and listen to radio. Mrs Sadler is fine. A message to Walter Heart at Kanai Lee Heart is fine. We have another message to find. Love his all right Jimmy Murphy and Bills Summerbee at point. Hope your families are a okay. Thank man's at Luga. Your family is safe. And it's home of Red Dodge. I also had received a report from very soon monitoring stations all the people one after another calling into report. They were okay. You can hear. The potential death toll in the city gradually taking down and with each small declaration of survival that aired. You could imagine a constellation of affirming. Flames slowly lighting the emptiness outside finally trying to take herring a coordination of the metric that. I really hadn't stopped to think how worried and concerned my parents must be so. Have my friends in fairbanks would take down a message for me and get the word to my family in Bonham Texas? That the chance family is alright. Place a collect call to judge a as broad foot. Biaro A. D. F. OT at Bonham Texas. And tell him that the chance family is alright. I'll appreciate its message. Can't family everybody else. it was still dark early on. Saturday morning when the telephone rang at the home of judge and Mrs as broadfoot in Bonham Texas caller explained that he just received a phone call from his son who lived in fairbanks. There'd been a terrible earthquake in Alaska. It's done told him but believe it or not. He was listening to the broadfoot daughter. Jeanie chance covering the disaster on the radio right now. You just heard her ask for someone to phone her parents in Texas until them. The chance family is alright to phone rang again. This time was a perfect stranger. The military officer in Fairbanks calling collect just like genie had instructed on the air. He was passing on the same message. The chance family is alright. From then on the phone rang constantly. Genie's mother just let down and bald in a Boohoo of all time Back in anchorage thirteen hours after the quake hit genie was still on the air. She'd been working straight through the night and as the city went to sleep in the early hours of the morning despite their power being out and their phone lines down they'd been connected to one another once again. Between tour cancellations lost creative gags and shrinking revenue. The covid nineteen crisis is making it clear that the system supporting creative people is broken on offers a better way we help creators makeup lost revenue and build a more sustainable income source but offering a monthly membership to their fans intern fans get access to exclusive community premium content and the chance to become active participants in the work. They love checkout Patriot. Dot Com now and helped change the way art is valued Saturday march. Twenty eighth nineteen sixty four the day after the home early that morning news of the Great Alaska earthquake filtered into the outside world. Word reached a small team of sociologists. The Disaster Research Center at Ohio State University. It was brand new institute. Funded by the Department of Defense to send social scientists as quickly as possible to wherever disaster struck. The Cold War was escalating and the military was desperate to prepare America for the possibility of nuclear war. One of its presiding assumptions. Was that a bomb. Dropped on the United States wouldn't just cause physical destruction but pandemonium lawlessness and violence among the survivors to the government needed to get a handle on how to manage that chaos and locked onto natural disasters as realistic proxies. Each community hit by an earthquake. Hurricane or flood would be like a laboratory a full-scale simulation in which a team sociologists scrutinize that breakdown of society in advance by it now. The sociologists in Ohio. We're hearing rumors that downtown. Anchorage had been swallowed in a ball of fire. Trauma and confusion would be horrific professionally speaking too good to be true believers. They rouse me out of bed. One of their Grad Students said I threw duds and I was off to the airport in an hour and a half but when the disaster researchers started touching down. And we'll be able to notify you where you will be able to go get Sarraj and Basil. Couldn't find the chaos. They'd come to document arrangement at this time for civil defense and military to supply the regime that can be carried through the public shelters. Thank you in. The sociologist. Learned for example when Presbyterian Hospital started filling with gas after the quick boy scouts. We'd been distributing phone books in the neighborhood helped to walk. All the hospitals patients don't three or four flights of stairs in our motto of taxes and other civilian drivers pulled up outside to evacuate everyone to a second hospital across town having a number of people coming in and offering their services. You're in the public safety building. I believe everything is pretty well. And a survey games outside the Kremlin. Jc Penney building bystanders. Rushed to dig people out and work together to tow away huge section of the fallen concrete facade then extract. A woman had been crushed beneath it and your station either. Of course you see the way. The family did get back together because quite a few of them work. Everywhere in anchorage clusters of ordinary people have gone straight to work spontaneously teaming up switching on like a kind of civic immune response they just started solving whatever problems they saw in front of them often surprise themselves. By how capably they were getting the job done. Genie was one of those. People billion personnel are giving a terrific effort right now on an evaluation search. One man told the sociologist. Everybody jumped right in. Everybody was trying to do a little bit of everything for everybody since then. An entire field of sociology has documented the same phenomenon in disasters around the world and eventually to founders of the Disaster Research Center with theorize about why why disasters seemed to bring out the best in people in ordinary life. They wrote we suffer alone. Any struggle any pain winds up isolating us from other people or even making us resentful as everybody else who seemed to somehow have it easier but in a disaster an entire communities suffered together trauma and even death the stuff that we suppress in daily life spills out as a public phenomenon for everyone to see the president becomes all consuming the past and the future follow a and all those who share the experience. The researchers wrote are brought together in a very powerful psychological sense and something else happens when everything gets scrambled our assumptions about each other and ourselves. Get scrambled to as another sociologist. Put it the instant disaster strikes life becomes like molten metal. It enters a state of flux from which it must reset upon a principle a creed or purpose this shaken perhaps violently at a and routine. What he's really saying is in catastrophe. There's an opportunity for transformation. Jeannie finally stepped away from her microphone at three o'clock on Saturday but she was back two later claiming to have taken a nap journalists. Were descending anchorage by then and Jeannie spoke with one group from Europe and was taken aback when they instantly recognize her name. Oh yes they told her. We've heard you on the radio. Her voice had traveled around the world spraying at Anchorage on an array of convoluted path ratios bombers and fort rich go to building seven hundred immediately want originated. Canaanites Sister Station in Fairbanks which also relayed that signal to a radio station in junior batteries out. Telephone the radio station in Seattle and seem to simply hold his phone up to the radio. Let the broadcast play the announcer in Seattle through that call on his own airwaves. The sound relayed in relayed and relayed again thin distant and there was Jeanie on mistakenly turning through personal messages from Alaskan separated from their loved. She later wrote to editor in London. Just a little old housewife and mother helping out with the family finances being heard around the world. How crazy can this world be without realizing? It had become famous. Richard speaking from the next week is Alaska's legislature. We'll begin putting together a plan to rebuild the state. The speaker of the House called the session to order by recognizing she got a standing ovation. The following years anchorages neighborhoods and businesses came back to life McCall's magazine as you probably know presents. Golden Mike. Awards routes and Genie won a National Award for Women Broadcast Young Lady. Who received the gold of micro board as Mrs Jeannie chance honoring our coverage of the Earth of asked me I'll do. I'm sure that any woman could do the same thing. It just so happened that it was my fame. As the story of the disaster started to be written. Genie became one of its recurring characters. The media called her the Voice of Alaska the stand in for the resourcefulness composure. Of An entire state the quake had temporarily unravelled the fabric of society and found the space to slip through. But then that fabric stitched together again and Jeannie didn't fit. She asked for a raise was told that she was already making the highest salary for a woman. She quit the same day at home. Winston felt increasingly overshadowed by her. It TURNS OUT. He'd been physically abusing genie for years. And now it got worse. Eventually she was through with it. She filed for divorce. Soon people around Anchorage were asking her if she'd ever thought about running for office and she'd spend the better part of the seventies and the Alaska state legislature ramming as much progressive legislation as. She could often while wearing a frosted blond wig short skirt and White. Go go boots on. The chamber floor is one or genius young aides to me. She was making up for lost time. January eighth two thousand seventeen fifty three years after the earthquake. I'm sitting in a basement in Juneau Alaska. Surrounded by boxes of Genie Chances Things Genie's daughter Jan is kept them all here for years. Not knowing what to do with them there are thirty. Eight boxes and all filled with. Reel to reel recordings of radio broadcasts. Old Diaries and letters and photographs and I'd spend days in John's Baseman over the next couple of years looking through all of it at every document inside from lock of Genie's baby hair to one of her campaign posters with a photo of her in fur-lined Parka holding a radio microphone and that image of her might have seemed like a fairytale ending to the story of Jeanie and the earthquake except I was starting to realize that this story is about the deceptiveness of such endings. The potential for circumstances that feel conclusive and stable to randomly come apart because there were more boxes after that. Lots of them and in those genie lost her seat in. The legislature to a slimy Californian transplant who ran a bare knuckled campaign wins. The son had been with her in the car. The evening of the quake was diagnosed with cancer and died in nineteen ninety two shy of his fortieth birthday and our other son. L. was in and out of Rehab and went die a few years after that then genie's second husband died and as soon as he was gone. Genie was hit by dementia hard. That's why the boxes were there. Unopened GENIUS PACK THEM UP. Planning to write her autobiography but she never got the chance. I'll be honest. It was pretty depressing. I've never heard of genie chance. I'd never even heard of the Great Alaska earthquake. It was that something so consequential. The most powerful earthquake in North America could received so invisibly into history to take in strangers entire life at that speed blurred and compressed so dramatically started to make me feel like maybe time itself was a slow moving natural disaster that eventually shakes everything. Apart from such a telescopic distance it was impossible not to recognize the foreign that all our lives assume forgettable blip a meaningless straight line from birth to death at some point sitting in that basement. I started picturing my own boxes and one of my own daughters basements one day and then I imagine how many other sets of are already out there and how many people hadn't left boxes at all but and maybe this parts harder to explain. It doesn't feel depressing to me now because I also know that sealed inside this vulnerable little Snow Globe we call the present life feels anything but forgettable meaningless and that recognizing the starkness of it. All the course are straight. 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16.5 Jessie Gaskell and Mike Sweeney

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend

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16.5 Jessie Gaskell and Mike Sweeney

"Hi, my name is Jesse Gaskell. And my name is Mike Sweeney. And I feel hungry about being Conan O'Brien's friend. I'm just hungry right now. Oh, I'm starving about being a Brian thread. Mingo. Walking. Loops. Hey, Conan O'Brien here. And welcome to a very special bonus episode of Conan O'Brien needs a friend. I'm being joined today by two of my terrific writers. They're all great. But these two are just a little bit better, which will make the other writers hate them. And that's why I did it. I'm talking about Jesse Gaskell and Mike Sweeney, and they have a special podcast that they're doing which is called inside Coenen a very important Hollywood podcast. And it's all about the inside workings the sickness the madness that goes into making the Coenen shell. It's really wonderful idea. The perfect people to spill the beans. And of course, assisting me as always is the trustee Matt Goral? Hello, matt. I love the way you're dressed today, by the way. Well, this is the medium for complementing people's clothes. I'm sorry. Really? Good job. I'm sorry. Illegal job. It's like commando. Casual you, look amazing. What are you talking about? I'm just wearing sort of an RAF green sweater. And I'm wearing a vast sort of a down vest. See we got it explained. Yeah. Also, joining us is someone who gives the full twenty percent every time she helps me sonum obsessing. How are you Sonal? Why would you introduce me that way come on a BI here because? Twat Sona Sona people love you because you are a chill millennial. You're just a chill millennial. I'm jill. Yeah. But also, you're a bond tote in oh my surf Ryden. Let's taco chump in. You know, you star. You're you have a good time. It's all hate me for that though. Right. I don't envious today. You even said, you're happy stopping happy. What is that? Like, I am jealous that I'm jealous. If you because you're happy all the time. I like it. I like life. When wrong didn't I sincerely tell you? I was happy that you were happy today. You don't ever tell me anything? Sincerely. All right. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot who I was for a second literally forgot who I was. I thought for a second. I was the was the father on a nineteen fifties sitcom, you're really bad at positive reinforcement. I'm going to say not interested in it. No. It doesn't interest me. Twenty percent are gonna make me wanna do any better in this job. Well, actually notched you up to twenty percent. I thought it was Gowrali that I love so don't you? Yes. What was that noise? You straining at stool. What are you doing over there? All right. I'm doing okay at girly. I just love what you're doing today with your look, you imagine the rest everybody, I'll send you a drawing through the mail. I'm gonna quit on air. Oh, please. What and go back to Long Beach, you sold your house there. Well. You told me that you sold your house along. I don't forget a thing when someone reveals actually I told that to Julia you east dropping. Yeah. I heard that you say that you sold your house at Long Beach, but you didn't finish what most people say is because I moved here, and then got a house there. You didn't say that part? Which makes me think you're wondering the beach picking up cans, and then building a house and living in them at the end of the night any way, you look great. Thank you. I feel good. You should I'm wearing my what did you call it? My commando. Casual you look like Roger Moore and for your eyes only when he climbs the mountain. Yes, I don't think you look Roger say something. Yeah. When Roger Moore, I want to get this off my chest. Okay. Stayed being bond. Probably too long us fifty seven when he stopped when he stopped. He was fifty seven, and there's actually a scene I think in the last bond movie, and it might be viewed to kill which by the way has the most awkward insert of the name into the dialogue that you've ever seen in any bunt movie. Most bond movies, they call it casino royale or they. It but they never say thunder. You don't have to the name of the movie in. If you kill. We can reenact it, right? Christopher Walken is in this zeppelin. That's going to destroy the world. And he's with grace Jones. And someone says there they go over this mountain, and they look at the city they're going to destroy and someone says what a great view and Christopher Walken says. Yes of you to kill what what is that mean? But the only reason I bring this up, and this is the beauty of the podcast format as you can follow these wonderful gossamer threads. I spin is that he hung onto long. And I forget what the name of the last one. He did was was it viewed will kill and in it. There's this sexy girl and instead of having sex with her she falls asleep, and he puts his jacket over her Tanya Roberts. Yeah. Tanya Roberts, and she and he takes care for the way, an old woman would take you know, what I mean, you're like what JAMES BOND became this guy. Who was like will not for me. I've had my. Fun in earlier times put this check it onto the warmer and hope a suitable bowl with the amount of testosterone can combine satisfy. But in the meantime, just make some cookies in the next room. Do you know why that is on the set they realized that he was literally older than Tony Roberts? He felt bad about you can tell that they made a change. Go look at that scene view to a kill and watch. Roger Moore's JAMES BOND, take it supposed to be the sex interest. I think and instead of instead of moving on her just she falls asleep in him just putting his jacket over her. They have sex in the end there showering the movie and the robot comes in and spies on them. You're asking the right guy. I'm sure robots buys on them. Well, not I'm not the right guy about robots spying on showering about JAMES BOND. Yeah. Anyway, that's probably what you were kicked out a Long Beach. Do they ask you to leave because you're looking at people in the shower? They did. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Crate you guys have really cool hip. References wanted to. I wanted to add that airs the old sarcastic. I'm saying is you settle yada names that nobody knows and when knows Chris walking anymore. I mean like Tanya Roberts. Wait grace. Grace Jones is big in the club's, right? Yeah. I don't think we mentioned my name's nineteen Eighty-three. I just saw grace Jones at the Hollywood bowl. Really? Yeah. Yeah. She was taking tickets. Oh, come on. We're going to get an Email now. See anybody now. Okay. Cool. Cool. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to I know you guys to talk more about movies that were made before most of our audience was born. What was the movie that? You're watching today at work. It come on. It's was it. It's called she's out of my league. I think it was made in like early two thousand you're on the cutting edge. Good for you. So. Oh, okay. Oh, okay guy. No, come back. I don't know. Do you know what Netflix is? Yes. I do. Hey, just starting thing that comes up on the screen that I haven't figured out yet. Drifts by and I get confused sometimes don't know which side to pick. We should always pick my bags. So. Yeah, we need an alliance. I know be good. But sometimes afraid if I don't pick his what do you? You don't fear me. You don't think? So no have hosing thinkers, how am I am posing? I'm a gentle fellow with maybe the quickest mind anyone's ever seen. Boy, this is what I don't. Just put myself to sleep. Hey, should we do a podcast? Are we doing okay too late? But was like yes today. It's Mike Sweeney and Jesse Gaskell. Oh, that's right. I forgot your whipping this oxygen so hard that. Sometimes I forget what we're going. Yes. How could I forget they're sitting right here? We're talking about Jesse Gasco, Mike Sweeney. Two writers on the show who've taken on this great new endeavor inside Conan where they are going to expose the deepest darkest secrets about our show and welcome Jesse welcome Mike Sweeney. Thanks count in high Conan. Thanks for having us in the building. We spend all. So Jesse Mike? I've been at this a long long time. I think it's been three months three months. No, it's it's been three months. And I I can't say I know anything about doing a podcast. Do you think you really know how to do about gassed? I don't. Are you high are you? Hi, nice swear. I'm not you always asked me that when low and right. And how many times my right when I ask you you've been right twice. Okay. Yeah. Both professionals so three times. But yeah, this is this is podcasting. I don't really know. I think we need specific questions. I'm very glad that you guys I've worked with you. Both for such a long time you've done all the travel shows with me, your we're all very close. I think we can finish each other's sentences and probably will to an annoying degree. And I think you guys can probably explain how the show works. Very well. So I think is a good idea for podcast. Are you guys excited? Mike you excited very excited. Telling me, it's gonna help stave off to mention. Winning to get an insincerity filter for the microphone and how about you Jesse. Yeah. No. I I mean, I think a lot of people ask me often about the show and how and the sort of inner workings, and how the sausage gets made. And so this I know that there's a market for this. Listen to you. Market. My god. We'll sell some merch international, Mark. Yeah. Well, I think listen, I'm not someone who worries about is there a market or is there a profit? I see the canvas and I paint. Happens happens. Do you have any specific questions about podcasting? Maybe I can help you. I'd like to think that I I have some knowledge or at least good instincts. Yeah. You do you have some instincts? You're doing really well, shown them. I want a Cup of coffee or something. Yeah. We have a bit. Wondering how you know how long do you record for because the the episodes are about an hour. And I assume you maybe record for twelve hours to get down to that. God. Okay. No, no. We I don't think we I mean met Gowrali, our producer extraordinaire can weigh in. But we don't edit that much. Sorry. I know reads are out of control. No, I'm not. Some of the interviews. The interviews what I'm saying is. I don't think the interviews are drastically cut. I don't like interviews ago onto long, and I have been on podcasts where they're interviewing me, and it becomes clear. There's no we're not throwing to commercial. There's no end here. And they just keep getting asked. What else? What else what else and then you realize it's been two hours. And there's no end to it. I always liked to know the dimensions of the pool I'm jumping into. Yeah. So I like there to be a specific amount of time. I don't believe in blathering on for six hours to get one hour. Great will then we're done here. All the way over with that set our ad reads, though, do need a lot of editing. We ramble we ramble I've tend to ramble and go down were a lot of. It's about the brands I've been at addresses, and I love the rambling connect get released separately somehow because I think we get a lot of the rambling in there. Yeah. I think we try to capture just how sick I've become and through ad re address. It's kind of if you can imagine that Colella the ancient Roman emperor occasionally had to read an ad I want that to be with the ad sound like a power mad delusional. Yeah. With Mason the back. He's he's made his his horses. Senator. He's nude. He's played by Malcolm McDowell. He's absolutely crazy. But he has to read. Yeah. You know, an ad for the mattress company that I love do you think I have a question for you guys? There is a little element of trust. When we do the show you can show them somewhat. How the sausage is made. How honest are you going to be and I'm being serious here? Yeah. Well, and I I mean that was also something I think we wanted to discuss with you was whether there's anything that's off limits because at this point we have been we've been conducting interviews with staff some people in this room, and we want to get some of the inner office dramas. And I wanna know what happens if pursued are we indemnified by your wolf. I should point out that Mike Sweeney. In addition to being used the head writer for very long time. Now, he produces all the travel shows, which you can see on Netflix. Please check him out there. Mike Sweeney before that was a lawyer, and he always manages to work his legal knowledge into his comedy pitches. It comes out we're going to good suit. The word indemnify into a lot of who would be suing you, I wouldn't SU. Well, we're talking about limits to how far we can go. And that is a good question that a lot of stories we like to tell around the office that oh. There's plenty of things in the writer's room that we could never ever we couldn't really the funniest thing. I think that's the whole point of this podcast shouldn't say is that you should get those on the air. I think some of those things should be said. Yes. And I think that is a reason for people to listen, and I think the more sorted the more dehumanizing. Potentially destructive. Yeah. To my career up to the show in general. The better this podcast is going to be. If you want listeners you have to deliver the goods stories about curricula Colella slash Conan. The mad host. Gone off the rails and to be taken down. Yeah. To be honest, because I'm always honest, unless I'm making a joke or telling a lie, but I don't wear contact lenses. I wear glasses. 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Go to butcher box dot com slash Conan butcher box dot com slash Conan. But your box when you want meat, you don't need to use your feet because it will come to you. I apologize. Office stuff that goes on here. Just this fantastic dynamic that I think very relatable, no matter where you work. Yeah. There's a lot of upstairs downstairs stuff the second floor. Lording? They're nice snack. So yes, wait who has the nice necks? We do wait. First of all, my office is on the second floor because you know, that's that's right. Can be protected. I'm like, you know, the president's day test protected, but. Second floor. I'm sorry. We would know what I'm saying is follow me here and someone's going to untangle distant editing and good luck to you. What's snacks coming 'cause I don't ever get any snacks on the second floor snacks rate. Snacks mac. I thought this next. We're for you. I know. But I gotta them. I think that's what people the second floor say. Get said. Yes, here's what happens. Let me let me let me cut through the fog for just a second. Here. What happens is I make a joke on the air often and ad-lib, and I just mentioned Doritos and the next thing, you know, we get the next day nine men come in. And they're each carrying eight boxes of the newest Drita flavor at least. Yes, it's never been released. Fang me for mentioning them, which I did in advertently. I never get those Doritos. All I see is everyone in the office. Suddenly has an orange face. But I don't get the Doritos even eat those Doritos. I mean, I don't think you usually eat I maintain the body. I have no I could not see just cleverly mentioned thereto. Does again on this podcast doesn't stop 'em Twix should take requests. No. I do mention things and every time something comes we mentioned Apoel loco recently. Bait and on Twitter, and it was just a joke and a ton of polo came excellent food, by the way. But it's a very strange work environment. Because if I just say something it shows up at the office the next day. Yeah. And trust me. I know what you're thinking. And I've tried it with Porsche and tried it with the Escalade, I've tried it with various Cartier bracelet. Yes. And it doesn't have to send you a token. Like, no, Shane absolutely nothing. If it's a high end brand, I get nothing. But if I mentioned a sugary or Corby snack. Yeah. Boy, do we get it. And we get fast. But it's amazing to see the people in our office jump on that as if they had never they had no access to this relatively inexpensive food, and these people who are no Sonal people here. Indentured servant now. They're not. But in our in our defense. No one has really ever tried Pringles with ridges before. And they sent me and it's delicious translator. Yeah. There. Are is what is the ridge out of the flavor? I don't it doesn't add much really to the flavor at all. I would never have been exposed to the Pringles with ridges world unless you brought it up in a in a in a monologue joke. And then now, I know what that's like in my life. And I think there's. Pringles with ridges just a ruffles. It is. I know it is appropriate. It is so comes in the cabinet Chorley. We're not gonna get any. To tell you that Matt Gourley the producer was six hundred yards away. Loping? Yes, he was looking at a sonogram of his child, and he dropped it and came running over to intervene on the on the ridges controversy tomorrow free sonograms at the office. Thank you Conan. I like being on the second floor. There is definitely there next. Yeah. We're Jesse iron the third floor west were all the writers are yes. And you know, writers they need your complain a bid. So if there's one bag of Doritos. Comedy writers. Let's let's be honest copywriters are the are the crankiest crafts of all time. And and and they always find in a lovable way a love immoral upper east side Jewish men in their eighties. But that's all of the women in clear all have a little old Jewish man inside you who's not happy about the way things going, and I should have been cut in on the ruffles. Have you been done to compare to three people think life on the second floor so much better than life on the third floor? And we use it as a one benefit on the third floor of being kind of at a safe distance from your office. But then you recently. What's so bad about being here? My office beyond just see what's wrong with being with proximity to Conan. Well, you kick doors open do startling. That's the way I open doors. You have a loud footstep that. I hear you lumbering down the hall, and I and then a large man a six foot small animals scurrying fear. Yeah. So awful rally the police department open to precinct right next to your house. People. And then you make them high five you after my favorite thing to do. His mock someone and then get them to high five me after I mocked them. The it's fantastic to get someone to high five you after you've just sort of made a silly joke at their expense. Man. That's weak. Well, but the point I was gonna make as we were we were sort of cocooned away from your office on the second floor. And then recently you opened a new office on the third floor fixed. My my office. My office is like a subway subway sandwich chain just keep just keep opening. No, I opened an office upstairs. Because when I was about to go on tour. I wanted to really tiny office with no distractions where no one could finally could really lock in and workout my set for the tour. And then it stuck with me. So now, I call it stations zebra cure for sure man, goalie knows what I'm talking about. But it's was Howard Hughes's favorite movie. I watched repeatedly later in life when he was saving his urine with the shade shades. Sean and being attended to. By Mormon acolytes. But that's neither here nor there. Kind of is here. I call it ice station, zebra. And that's where I that's where I that's my getaway that is. And so I go there now do you hear me in there? And it's what you hear here next Jason. So you're next door to my office. What do you hear? Well. I mean, I only hear when you're having meetings in there. I hear people hear people laughing. I hear. Your laughter means Conan's around is that what you're saying. I hear a fist making contact with flesh. I do hear that. I do not. That's me hitting my fist into the palm of my hand the point very declared. Yeah. I hear you yelling out of the office for people to bring you things in the office torito's from two to three. What do you mean? You hear me yelling and demanding things you brought me I might ask for my lunch. But I I do it. In a polite way. I mean. I don't know if yelling can be polite. I grew up in a large family one of six, I guess. And one had to enunciate to be heard. Oh, and so sometimes I just shout out to would you like me to ultra that behavior. Jesse? Well, it's funny. I mean, it's it's honestly, I it's never really been directed at me. So I'm fine with it. Oh, I love you having an office on the third. Yeah. You know, you're happy. I love is. I'm away from you. Yeah. You're like I'm gonna go to the third floor, and I'm like, okay. What do you do you do so point now where I watch full feature length films? You there fulltime ever put me on hold. So you could keep watching scene. No seriously. Yeah. Continue watching. I just wanna see the end of this. Great. But if you if you if you're like, hey, if it's before the show, and you're like, hey, can you bring down this thing to my dressing room? I will sometimes finish watching whatever I was watching. And then take it down to you. There's no sense of urgency, of course. But I I'm I could say remember the time he worked in the hospital and all those people died. Thing getting your phone. I think it is. I think it is. It's the same. I think that when I needed split pack, which is a little snack pack that has. Butter and jelly, it is akin. It is a kin someone who's on dialysis needing a fresh treatment before they think it's exactly the same thing are those little things, you're always sucking. Clear. A little energy boosts. Yeah. Those those little things. Butter and jelly. But it's, but it's, but it's got almond butter and peanut butter thing, you give to kids that has yogurt in it just like that. It's like a snack. You those around. They keep my energy up. But you don't mention those on this show. No, I don't want him very inexpensive as you know, what? And you know, what you can finish the sentence for me. Remember what gene Simmons told us from kiss, no free rides. Once asked him to mention one of is the kind of stuff we can talk about on the show, we asked gene Simmons once since when he was there. We asked him to to to just do a sketch and all had to do was mention one of it was Richard Simmons secret headed mentioned another celebrity in it, and he he would refuse to do it. And we said why and he said no free rides. I don't mention other people because that would be a free, right? Gino jeanson issues refused to mention other select kind of pressed about I played them. I'm like, I'm sorry, no free rides Mr Simmons. And he goes, no free rides. These other people are welcome to mention me as many times as they like. But why should I mention them and give them free publicity? Yes. It was absolutely amazing. It was as if if a famous person punched him in the face and ran away, and he told the police, and they said who did he would was like, I can't tell you. Why not no free rides? Wait, we'll arrest him. And then you can be settled and you'll be paid for your bills. I can't tell you know, free rides. If I mentioned Willem Dafoe, you know would give him free publicity. So in a scenario. We'll we'll into fo punched gene Simmons. If by self I would've Willem Dafoe side guys. Let me tell you something. This is the kind of stuff that people want to hear about they wanna hear this backstage. Intrigue the? Casually wanna hear about a celebrity really can't come after us. I mean, she can't come dressed lives in town. Listen town. I see him. I play Racquetball with him twice a week. I often I need to wait to get there. And he says, no free rights. That was pretty good. His all worth the walk. Great. Tell me some of the things you were thinking about discussing on this podcast of yours. I mean, well, we we have a segment already called off Goss where people dish on the steamiest office. Gossip knows this. You know, people who are maybe romantically hooked up with. Wanna get separates that? Yeah. That's not that. Okay. No. But that's that's definitely fair game. But also fishing on who have there been hookups? No one tells me they're telling been hookup on our show. There have been babies. Well, people have been married and stuff like that. But I mean, I don't know. I try not to know about that stuff. I don't wanna know you do kinda wanna know. Right. I guess, but I did a podcast if they're if they're sexy. Do you wanna know what do you mean if the two parties involved are sexy? Oh traffic yet. Does that make it more interesting? No, I think people being together is just inherently beautiful. I'm now, I'm I'm just thinking the way a lawyer would. Welcome to my side Conan. Thank you for all this. Well, it wasn't a lot of advice on hosting podcast. But there was my main thing is hell, I told you anything of use are there perks like does your wolf have a beach house that we can use private jet podcast union that we get to join right? I have seen a little I'm going to be honest with the little upside chest. It's joy -able. It's really enjoyable. I I love doing it. 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Falls From Grace: Howard Hughes

Historical Figures

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Falls From Grace: Howard Hughes

"Hi Listeners is Vanessa. Did you hear that? The critically acclaimed series famous. Fates is back with a brand new season. It's true you can now hear season. Two titled Falls From Grace Exclusively on spotify. Join Carter and I as we examined the factors both personal and circumstantial that turned epic tales of fame into tragic ends of shame available for free and only on spotify falls from grace releases. Two new episodes every Wednesday each focusing on different scandalous figure and as a special treat. Here's Today's episode on the controversial life of film director Howard Hughes. If you'd like to hear today's other episode on disgraced filmmaker Roman Polanski head over to the famous fates feed and subscribe for free today but remember. These episodes are only available on spotify. Imagine a withered old man lying naked in rumpled bedsheets his long matted hair his scraggly beard just as overgrown his yellowing nails haven't been caught in months surrounding him are boxes of Kleenex and piles of discarded tissues. He wipes down everything he touches. Because despite his own filth. He's terrified that germs will sneak into his bedroom sanctuary and kill him. Of course it's hard to actually see any of this. The windows are blacked out in the room. Illuminated by little. More than a flicker of a television screen which the old man is said to never turn off. It's not likely that. This is the image dredge up when you think of America's richest men or most powerful This was the exact picture of Howard Hughes at the height of his power when he sought to put the American government in his pocket. Hi I'm Vanessa. Richardson and I'm Carter. Roy and this is season two of famous fates in this season called falls from grace will examine once revered historical figures whose stories ended in less than savory ways just like on last season of famous fates will look at what drove these fascinating people to the top and then delve into their appalling demise. Is we'll examine the factors personal and circumstantial that changed their stories from epic tales of success to tragic falls from grace and will give you all the dark details of what lay on the other side of those falls. The figures were tackling. This season will run the gamut. We'll look at everyone from financiers like Bernie Madoff to Queens like Marie Antoinette to Hollywood producers like today's subject Howard Hughes Darah Diverse Lot. But they all have one thing in common. They were beloved for their incredible accomplishments until they were reviled for their sins. You can listen to all. Park cast originals on spotify or anywhere else. You listen to podcasts. We're also on facebook and Instagram at Park in twitter at podcast network so without further Ado Howard Hughes it was January nineteenth nineteen thirty seven and thirty one year old Howard Hughes was soaring through the sky in his Hughes. H One racer a plane. He helped design under the auspices of his aerospace company Hughes Aircraft Today The H. One was going to smash the record for fastest transcontinental flight from Los Angeles to Newark New Jersey. A Record Howard himself had set just over a year earlier in another plane. Los Angeles pulled away beneath him home. These days Tinseltown couldn't get enough of him. They wanted him producing every project so they could get their hands on his enormous reserve of dollars and his creative I too but today he wasn't Howard Hughes renowned producer today he was Howard Hughes Record Breaking Aviator today he had a plane to push to its limits. It was a rough flight. Is Oxygen Mask failed? He almost passed out. But Howard kept going refusing to give in refusing to fail and after seven hours. Twenty eight minutes twenty five seconds of cutting through to January skies Howard landed in Newark New Jersey. Teed done it. He broke in the record by nearly two hours. And the first thing he did to celebrate was sent a telegram it read am down and safe at Newark Howard Katherine Hepburn. His glamorous actress girlfriend of the hour received the message with happy relief. Howard Hughes had it all respect wealth beautiful Hollywood girlfriends determination intelligence a golden finger. That seemed to turn everything. He touched into a success. But it wouldn't last the same obsessive protectionism that had pushed him to the top would take over his life and leave him a shell of the all American golden boy he once was of course when a little baby was born into the Hughes family in December nineteen o five all that doom and gloom was far in the future. Howard grew up wealthy in Houston Texas. Thanks to an ingenious invention of his father's a two-bit drill that revolutionized the oil business. Mr Hughes never sold the bits leasing them instead. And thus secured an empire that would sustain not just him and his wife but also provide the seeds for his sons extraordinary wealth. Howard's early life wasn't all silver spoons in sports cars though. His mother was an extremely anxious hovering parent and he was struck by bouts of illness. That pulled him out of school. Still Howard was close with his parents and he was devastated when they both died just two years apart his mother in her late thirties of a pregnancy complication in nineteen twenty two and his fifty four year old father of a heart attack in nineteen twenty four at eighteen. He was an orphan and there's evidence that he started to spiral into depression. But this was still the early Howard. He was young and handsome. Six foot four and slender and suddenly he was worth the equivalent of about fifteen million in today's dollars. Howard decided to use his money to leave. Houston and the past behind in nineteen twenty six at the age of twenty. He packed up for Hollywood where he planned to develop his childhood interest in technology by pursuing to equally glamorous fields flying in the movies the move that I went well nineteen twenties. Tinseltown was welcoming to passionate upstarts especially ones with money not to say it was perfect. The first film Howard Produced Nineteen Twenty. Six is swell. Hogan was a consummate disaster. Howard already an obsessive dedicated perfectionist was so horrified by the flop that he ensured. The film never made it to theaters but Hollywood was less exacting than Howard himself. It gave the young upstart another chance and this time Howard hit his stride. His next two films were financially successful in nineteen twenty seven to Arabian nights even when the First Academy Award for best director of a comedy picture but it was nineteen thirties. Hells Angels. That really catapulted. Young Howard Hughes to Hollywood production stardom wartime aviation epic combined. Howard's to loves flying in film. Perhaps that's why he was so particular about it. He started out as the film's producer but was such a nitpicking. Interfering perfectionist that multiple directors dropped off the project. Howard however wasn't deterred he took on the role of director himself with particular interest in the fight scenes and he dedicated himself to the new creative role with at least as much fervor as he put into producing. He poured two point eight million dollars into the project much of his own money and constantly pushed the film's deadline. His specific decisions included recasting. The female lead when he decided to turn it into a talkie rather than a silent film and constantly re shooting flight scenes. He even crashed a plane during shooting himself and though he clearly survived. Several of his stunt pilots weren't so lucky three men died during production. Thanks to the grueling schedule in daring aviation tricks Howard demanded these deaths were little talked about after all in nineteen thirty flying was a far more dangerous pursuit than it is today and a few deaths were perhaps to be expected on a project of hells angels scale another nineteen thirty production. Such men are dangerous. Beat out hells angels for the award of worst in film history by wide margin with ten men dead after a mid air collision still the perfectionism underlying the deaths was another mark of Howard's obsessive nece. Even in his triumphant early years is perfectionism however was effective throughout the thirties and world war two Howard remained a national golden boy. He was deeply respected in. La For his work in film. He was constantly dating Hollywood's most beautiful women which ensured his name was constantly in every tabloid paper around the country and to the delight of flight obsessed world in the nineteen thirties. He shifted his attention from producing hit films to breaking flight records. Body wasn't just a dashing young sportsmen with a good eye for making movies he was also quickly turning from the son of a millionaire into a powerful businessman in his own right in nineteen thirty two at age twenty six. He turned his passion for flying into a lucrative new business. The Hughes Aircraft Company in Nineteen Thirty Nine. He began acquiring stock in the airline. Twa expanding his empire and wealth even further and during the war. He picked up various government. Defense contracts eventually becoming one of the largest suppliers of weapons systems to the air force and Navy but despite his glittering image as talented movie man a daring pilot and the captain of industry. It wasn't all smooth sailing for Howard Hughes one of his World War. Two defense contracts was for a giant flying boat as it was called built mainly from would thanks to wartime metal shortages but his constant insistence on revisions and improvements slowed down production and ate up the project's budget. Leaving him with nothing to show for the contract before the end of the war in Nineteen forty-five Howard however was to respected businessman for this to look like a near accident. The Senate was suspicious that he'd misused government funds for the project shifting them to private business ventures of pouring them into the plane and they called him forward to testify in nineteen forty seven. Howard however handled the courtroom with panache he convincingly argued that he was a patriot and left the Senate with a promise if the flying boat fails to fly. I will leave the country and never come back. He did indeed meet that promise. Flying the enormous plane over Long Beach Harbor on November second. Nineteen forty seven for one astonishing crowd-pleasing mile but the flight brings us to the other hiccups of these apparently jubilant years of ever increasing success in power the crashes there were multiple incidents both in planes and cars and many of them left. Howard with head injuries. The worst one was in nineteen forty six he crashed right into Beverly Hills. His plane and body were shattered and he was apparently on the brink of death. Miraculously he survived however he still suffered from immense pain which is doctor prescribed him coding to cope with and since the pain from his injuries never quite went away. He continued to use coding for the rest of his life. When in later years however is prolonged. Use of the drug as well as other. Painkillers made its way into the press. Much was made of his possible addiction. In the twenty first century has medical understanding of persistent pain has developed. Some doctors have reassessed suggesting that Howard's usage was likely less addiction and more what we call now. Pseudo addiction reliance on a substance for the management of persistent physical pain but regardless whether it was the head injuries the drugs or just the process of aging Howard was starting to change and the people around him. Were starting to notice the cracks in his gilded surface. Gene Tierney one of the many Hollywood actresses who had dated Howard for a time described it this way. There had been a boyish clear eyed quality about him now the is had turned beatty. The face had tightened rather than adding character. The scars on the aged him combined with his obsessive ness and his need for control. The changes in Howard would lead to some astonishing behaviors behavior that it I looked like the unsavory machinations of any other powerful Hollywood man but eventually became uniquely appalling up next Howard Hughes tumbles from the skies down to a dark isolated Beverly Hills Bungalow now back to the story in nineteen forty seven forty one year old Howard Hughes was on top of the world. He was still handsome. Still dating Hollywood's leading ladies and still internationally beloved for his work in both film and aviation he was also one of the richest men in America for the next decade. Thanks to the dual protections of wealth and fame. He would maintain his gilded reputation but in reality things were starting to change. I there was his collection of women. He'd historically been interested in women around his own age but in the late nineteen forties and nineteen fifties after acquiring his own film. Studio are Ko. He started seeking out young. Starlets or Wannabe starlets. He'd sign them to exclusive contracts and then place them in bungalows where their diets were monitored and they were forbidden to date. Occasionally he'd sleep with them. Although many of them never met him at all in return he gave them singing and dancing lessons in promised to put them in the movies. This alarming treatment of girls and young women showed an increasing need for control but typically for the era and industry. This behavior didn't attract much attention at least not in the press contractually. Howard may of wiggled out of any unpleasantness by putting most of his Harem into the Nineteen fifty-five Arabian nights film son of Sinbad and on the surface. He seemed to be carrying on with the glamorous life of a Hollywood playboy in nineteen fifty seven. He even got married to the beautiful thirty year old actress. Jean Peters she was twenty one years his junior but in nineteen fifties Hollywood or even nineteen fifties America in general. This was not dreadfully unusual behavior. Still things got worse late in the spring of Nineteen fifty eight. He heard that his usual screening room at Goldwyn studios had been used by the all black cast of porgy and bess. He didn't like that he'd always been racist since his turn of the century Texas childhood and perceived black people as dirty. He wouldn't a screening room with them so Hughes announced to his aides that he wanted to screen some movies at a new location no sex projections studio on Sunset Boulevard. He entered the dark room alone. Shut the door and started the movies rolling. Then for the next three months he stayed there in screening room at first he wore a white shirt and Tan slacks often talking with his lawyers and bankers on the phone to check in about Business Affairs. Then slowly he stopped the calls. He stripped off his filthy clothes and he announced to his aides. Don't try to get me for anything. Wait until I call you. I don't want any messages handed to me. In this state of increasing isolation and Filth Howard did have some company surrounding him. Were Kleenex boxes. He used the tissues to wipe down the surfaces around him and the boxes he continually stacked and restocked these were habits he would retain throughout the rest of his life and are one reason for later speculation that he suffered from severe obsessive compulsive disorder or OCD. Perhaps it's fitting that when he disappeared into the dark of the theater. He told his wife. Jean Peters that he was in the hospital getting treated for an undiagnosed disease for Howard. The obsession fueling. His tissue compulsion was a growing tear of germs. He'd been fearful of germs for a long time avoiding handshakes even in his early years in Hollywood but now his nervous distrust had grown into a full blown terror. Another compulsion that may have emerged during Howard's initial period of isolation in nineteen fifty. Eight was the fifty two year olds need to constantly watch movies their various explanations for it. Some commentators think he was studying the craft of filmmaking others have suggested he was trying to take his mind off of the physical pain. That never went away after his nineteen forty six crash despite the coding but while he may have felt either or both of these motivations Howard's constant and insistent need to have films playing certainly fits the bill a compulsion to when fifty two year old Howard finally emerged from the theater at the end of the summer of nineteen fifty eight. He hadn't washed trimmed his nails or cut his hair and he wasn't ready to now either. He continued many of the habits. He'd cultivated in the theater at the Beverly Hills. Hotel in a pink bungalow where despite his own filth he became even more obsessed with germs. The danger after all came from outside not from him it was about contamination about the uncontrollable outside getting in and hurting him so he established some rules I he designated the select group of people who are allowed to deal with him personally or even handle anything he planned to handle this rapidly shrunk to a small crew of Mormon aides who Howard reportedly liked because they worked hard live clean and didn't drink every move this carefully selected group was governed by an ever growing hyper specific procedures manual to see Howard. They had to go through a thirty minute. Purification ritual called processing hands had to be washed four distinct and separate times using lots of lather each time from individual bars of soap. Then supplicants had to dawn. White cotton gloves. Often they'd enter Howard's bungalow to find Howard sitting naked with nothing but a pink. Beverly Hills Hotel Napkin on his laugh. Once in his room they were forbidden from touching Howard directly. Instead they did things like pick up his memos about business matters or cap jars of his urine which he demanded be stored in his Bel Air Garage. He couldn't bear to let it go. It was his. It belonged to him. The more AIDS weren't the only ones subject to Howard's rules his wife. Jean didn't escape his ever heightening. Need for control either. She wasn't invited into bungalow number four. She was kept in her own bungalow. She was highly discouraged from leaving the hotel and when she did go out. She was instructed to go out with an escort the escort. Meanwhile was equipped with detailed memos about her care for example. When going to the theater they were instructed. If necessary to open the doors entering the theater or closing the doors do so with the feet. Not The hands if it is necessary or common procedure to enter the theater with her to lower the seat for her. Do so with Kleenex. While Howard's obsessive controlling behavior was evident from his earliest days in Hollywood. He clearly took a turn for the worse in Bid Nineteen fifty eight for the much worse. It's not excessive to characterize the shift as a mental breakdown but if that much is clear the reason for this mental breakdown is a more difficult question to answer it. We have to look back to the period preceding nineteen fifty eight and do a bit of speculation in his Book Citizen. Hughes Michael Draws in argues that the breakdown was likely triggered by Howard sense that he was losing control through the nineteen fifties while from the outside he may have appeared on top of the world. His wealth ever-growing his status as a Hollywood legend cemented. In fact he was losing some of the direct control. He'd always cherished I. The Pentagon forced him to give up personal management of aviation company Hughes aircraft in the wake of his nineteen forty seven spruce goose scandal then in nineteen fifty five. He had to sell off our. Ko The dying studio system and internal conflict. Made it an untenable business. Next in nineteen fifty seven. Howard's chief accountant Noah. Dietrich quit his job he'd managed Howard's business affairs for over thirty years serving as something of a surrogate father. His loss felt like abandonment and betrayal. Finally there was Twa Howard's airline. He needed more investment for the company but the bankers wouldn't give the money without increased control over the business as draws and it. It was all too much. Everything was slipping through Howard's fingertips and he couldn't contain everything the way he'd contain the fallout of Swell Hogan it had all gotten too big hence the breakdown. The rapidly accelerating paranoia 's and obsessive compulsive behaviors. What he could control he would control few people. Outside of Howard's immediate circle understood that sure Howard Hughes had disappeared from the public eye gone recluse that was a bit eccentric and of course. His enormous wealth cut two ways on the one hand. It helped maintain a glamorous mystique around his disappearance from public life on the other. It added a sinister air to his disappearance. Suddenly the man behind the empire was simply a question. Mark and in fact for all Howard's paranoia about losing control of his empire in strain secretive behavior. He would only get richer in nineteen sixty. Six powered was still spending the large majority of his time secluded at the Beverly Hotel. It's likely that he couldn't come out of that. Seclusion to appear in court and fight for full control over his airline. Twa So Howard Hughes. Sold for five hundred and forty-six million dollars. It was to date the largest check to ever go to a single individual which brings us to the darkest most dangerous way Howard Hughes was grasping at power in his fight for control and ultimately safety he was using his enormous wealth to by the US. Government COMING UP. Howard shakes the very foundations of American democracy. Now back to the story in nineteen fifty eight at the age of fifty two. Howard Hughes began suffering from an apparent mental breakdown and it didn't get better his lifelong tendency towards obsession and a need for control spiraled to new extremes as he hid away from the world in Beverly Hills Bungalow number four only seeing a small group of Mormon Aids but all the while his wealth was growing culminating in a nineteen sixty six by out of his airline TWA which left him with five hundred. Forty six million dollars in easy cash. Today that's equivalent to almost four and a half billion and that was far from his whole fortune powers wealth enabled his mental illness in many ways it allowed him to hire the people he needed to take care of or control. His wife had bought him. Twenty four seven attention from his Mormon aides who tended to his anxiety fueled need it ensured that he was left undisturbed at the Beverly Hills Hotel by either hotel staff or nosy outsiders and in nineteen sixty six. He used his new windfall to switch to a new more secluded hideout the desert in in Las Vegas which he eventually purchased outright ensuring total control over his environment but he knew his money could do more by him more power more safety so he started scooping up Vegas Real Estate Casino after Casino. He wanted to run the city while still living in near complete isolation but there was a small problem. Las Vegas is governed by antitrust laws. One man wasn't supposed to own a whole casino on his own much less seven. So Howard doubled down on the classic rich. Man's way out. Showering politicians was money. But Howard didn't care about political parties and he didn't care about keeping his gifts on the official campaign contribution list. He was happy to pay for whatever a politician needed paid. Whether those expenses were personal or political in Nevada he used these practices to get in with the state. Governor Pawlak Salt and then to circumvent antitrust laws but his ambitions didn't just stop with Nevada politicians to truly secure his little desert empire. He needed national influence. He saw an opportunity for that. In nineteen sixty eight. When Democratic presidential candidate Senator Robert Kennedy was assassinated Hughes? Wrote the following memo to his chief. Bag Man in fixer Robert. Mayhew I see here an opportunity that may not happen again in a lifetime. I don't aspire to be president but I do want political strength. I want organization so that we would never have to worry about a Jerky. Little thing like this antitrust problem not in one hundred years kind of setup that if we wanted to could put governor lack salt in the White House in nineteen seventy two or seventy. Six later he clarified. What exactly he wanted mayhew to do with this opportunity. I want us to hire Bob. Kennedy's entire organization. I am not looking for political favors from them. I repeat. I don't want an alliance with the Kennedy Group. I want to put them on the payroll as Howard explained. It wasn't that he wanted one particular favor from a given politician. He wanted power and control. That would be there whenever he needed it. He wanted the government on his payroll and while he didn't succeed in hiring the entire Kennedy Organization. He did succeed in getting Larry. O'brien Bobby Kennedy's campaign manager into his book. Keeping a useful man to have in your pocket considering he'd go on to be the head of the DNC but not all of the politicians Howard Hughes sponsored loved his association with that organization. Which brings us to Richard Nixon Howard Hughes supported Nixon throughout his political career. As far back as Nineteen fifty-six when Nixon was Vice President Howard had loaned the Nixon family would amount to more than one point five million dollars today Nixon's brother. Donald used the money to bail out his failing fast food. Chain of course usually when one gives alone it's secured with something of equivalent value for example a mortgage which is secured on the value of your home and of course eventually repaid hughes loan to the Nixon's meanwhile was secured with an empty piece of land valued at thirteen thousand dollars a fraction of the loan value and was never repaid as in. It sounds a whole lot more like a gift then alone no strings attached or perhaps with few strings as soon as the money had changed hands. The IRS approved the Howard Hughes Medical Institute as a tax exempt charity after twice previously having declared it he device for siphoning off otherwise taxable income. This suspicious so-called loan made its way into the press in the final days before the nineteen sixty election when Nixon was first running for president and the scandal may have impacted his chances in the hotly contested race as he put it. I must have answered questions about the Hughes Loan. At least a hundred times the media the story and played it up big because it was so damaging to me still it did nothing to cool Nixon's appetite for Hugh's money during the nineteen sixty eight election season Nixon and Howard connected once again this time. The Hugh's money tying them together was a cool one hundred thousand dollars about seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars today and instead of going right to the Nixon family. It went to a bank account in the name of Charles. Beebe rebozo close associate. In confidante presumably the purpose of this unofficial campaign gift was a personal nature. Nixon could get it from Rebozo when he needed it for his private expenses. As for Howard. It seems to have proven useful too. Soon after the money changed hands. He weasel his way out of some legal issues with his Air West Takeover. He'd been indicted for conspiring to manipulate the airline stock defrauding shareholders of sixty million dollars and airline which it's worth noting was the beneficiary of multiple route franchises and mail subsidies this time the money carefully concealed in rebozo account. Didn't make its way to the press and Nixon finally sailed into the White House. He was sworn in as president on January twentieth nineteen. Sixty-nine meanwhile in Nineteen Seventy Howard gave up on Nevada. He didn't like the nuclear tests that the government were running in the desert to spite his petitions to have them stopped or the fact that despite his extraordinary wealth and power there were other wealthy powerful players bidding on Las Vegas. Perhaps it's no surprise that a man so obsessed with power and control would wanna find somewhere where he'd be the only big fish around. He was waffling between Mexico. And the Bahamas. He wasn't sure which would allow him greater political influence. Has He put it in a memo? Please consider the problems in obtaining empire status in the end. It was the Bahamas despite Howard's lifelong racism and as a result his distrust of a black government paradise island seemed like his only escape from the constant threat of nuclear contamination and rivals in Nevada on November twenty fifth nineteen seventy. He was carried out of the desert in via the fire escape by his Mormon AIDS wearing clothes for the first time since he arrived for years earlier Blue Pajamas. He was six foot four. And just over one hundred pounds emaciated after years of lying in bed and picking it food his hair. Meanwhile was almost twenty four inches long uncut for years. Sorry sight one that would have shocked the media and the mini politicians. He bribed for power and influence at both the DNC and in the Republican White House. This was the man behind the curtain. The man pulling the puppet strings but no one got a chance to see him. He was ushered into an unmarked van under cover of darkness then carried onto a private jet and finally to another Ninth Floor Hotel Penthouse this time in the Britannia Beach Hotel on Paradise Island like his room at the desert in this one had blacked out. Windows Howard hadn't come to paradise to see it. He'd come to escape the dangerous contaminations in Nevada and the escape practically speaking had gone well. that was just on the surface beneath the surface. Howard's mental and material conditions were declining in one thousand nine hundred seventy after years of communicating solely by phone. Jean Peters filed for divorce. The separation was finalized in Nineteen seventy-one when Howard was sixty five despite Howard's shaky condition. Since the early days of the marriage. Losing gene was likely difficult for Howard on the one hand because he was the kind of controlling possessive man who couldn't even bear to let go of his own urine and on the other because he probably actually loved peters in his own way. He never spoke. Ill liver even after the divorce. Nor did she speak ill of him? Despite the fact that there was no nondisclosure agreement attached to her divorce despite the fact that she was offered many lucrative opportunities to write or speak about her ex husband for years the couple had communicated by phone nightly but Peter's loss was likely fairly abstract for Howard. The loss of Robert Mayhew was more immediate mayhew had been Howard's chief intermediary with the outside world for years. Despite the fact that the two had never met he was Howard's bag man. His correspondent his main social contact. Perhaps in a way his friend but Howard's mistrust in paranoia didn't just focus on germs or on collecting politicians to protect his power with some help from his Mormon AIDS and other executives in his business empire. Howard started to turn against maze. You and has moved from Vegas to the Bahamas. Cemented THEIR SPLIT. He was cut off from some of the only social contacts he'd had left. And there's evidence that what remained the Mormon aides were deliberately invested in encouraging Howard's isolation and paranoia 's after all the less he saw of the outside world the more he relied on them finally to top off all issues Howard's business ventures weren't going as well as they once had he was plagued by losses in the vegas businesses and fines for his air west dealings despite the fact that the takeover had gone through. He was still extraordinarily wealthy. It's just his expenses were proportionately large and he didn't quite have the cash on hand to meet them back in Washington. Things weren't going so well either President Richard Nixon. Almost if not quite as paranoid demand has Howard was starting to get worried about the most recent one hundred thousand dollars. Howard Hughes had gifted him the hundred thousand dollars that grease the gears of Howard's Air West takeover the one hundred thousand dollars that never went into Nixon's campaign fund but rather sat waiting and BB ribose bank account for whatever personal expenses. Nixon needed paid but Nixon's paranoia about the money wasn't that it had been found out. In general he was worried. Specifically that Larry. O'brien had found out about it. Larry O'Brien the Kennedy's former campaign manager. And now chairman of the DNC was on Howard Hughes payroll just like Nixon was and Nixon had caught wind of that fact now. Nixon wasn't sure if O'Brien knew that their benefactor was mutual he had no real evidence. But if he had learned about O'Brien's connection to Howard. O'brien might very well have learned about Nixon's connection to and that of course would be very bad the DNC hated Nixon. He knew it. They wanted to take him down any way they could. They'd use Howard Hughes money against him in a heartbeat just like in the nineteen sixty election. He couldn't let that happen absolutely not but he had to be reasonable. Perhaps O'Brien didn't know about the money. Perhaps he was safe. He'd have to collect Intel and find out the truth then he could decide how to proceed against O'Brien so on June seventeenth nineteen seventy two the Nixon administration sent five to rob the DNC Washington headquarters. That's one version of what went through Nixon's head prior to Watergate anyway and the version that Watergate Senate investigators believed while it's impossible to say for sure that the Howard Hughes money was the primary motivator behind the crime. The theory does check out after all one man buying both. The Republican president in the DNC chairman was bound to lead to chaos Howard Hughes was so paranoid and power hungry that he catalyzed one of the worst crises in American political history in his book citizen Hughes which focuses on Howard's involvement with Watergate reporter Michael Draws in characterizes Howard as the portrait of Dorian Gray Dorian Gray here being the broad corruption plaguing American politics and the time of Richard Nixon Howard was far from the only player involved in the Watergate scandal but his declining physical and mental state reflected just how ugly things had gotten in Washington long before the cracks started to show at the White House and in his late sixties. He was declining even more quickly. His body was covered in bed sores. He was excruciatingly thin malnourished and his mind perhaps most of all was increasingly teetering into a chasm of delusions. He wasn't just watching movies now. He was watching them on repeat namely his favourite film. Ice Station Zebra a nineteen sixty eight spy thrillers set in the Arctic which he watched over one hundred fifty times and also his least favourite of the films he made as head of our. Ko Nineteen fifty six's flop the conqueror. He reportedly spent millions of dollars buying up every copy in existence just as he'd once tried to bury swell Hogan his first film but this time instead of hiding away the copies he said to have watched the movie every night before going to bed his personal projectionist of course wearing a blindfold so only Howard would see the screen. He was also reportedly completely unable to grasp the Watergate situation as it unfurled between nineteen seventy two and nineteen seventy four. The products of his Labor had escaped him on April fifth. Nineteen seventy six. At seventy years old he died. He was flying from his final residence. The Acapulco Princess Hotel in Mexico to the Methodist Hospital in Houston his hometown. The cause of death was kidney failure which had been exacerbated. Thanks to decades of drug use and likely Howard's pension to refuse the advice of his doctors as one of them put it. He made his own decisions about anything. How Berry Howard Hughes in the end Howard was a man of his times from start to finish a Hollywood wonder canned when the movies were the beating heart of an enthusiastic young nation. A pilot when flight was the fresh exciting frontier of human achievement. A man of integrity and power when in the postwar world America was beguiled by its own wealth and power a corrupt power hungry delusional man when the country realized it couldn't trust its leaders but like most people whose glorious beginnings lead to appalling ends. Howard's dark tendencies were there from the beginning. That's the case with the next man were covering in falls from grace to Roman Polanski like Howard. He was beloved. Hollywood filmmaker director of classics. 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The ABC Killer Moses Sithole

Serial Killers

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The ABC Killer Moses Sithole

"Due to the graphic nature of this killer's crimes, listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of murder and graphic sexual assault that some people may find offensive. We'd wise extreme caution for children under thirteen. Pretoria South Africa April nineteen, ninety, five two year old Sibu see so long Amandla curled into his mother's arms, hiding his face from the packed train. His mother, twenty five year old lead a Nintendo so long I'm online was traveling to a bustling urban center. She needed a job and she knew this was her best shot. There was no one to look after her son, so the mother brought her toddler long. As LEDA got off the train. She checked her makeup in the glass window. Presentation was everything she wanted desperately to make ends meet and provide for her son. Wandering through the busy station, she caught the attention of a handsome young man. He approached her NAST. If she was looking for work. Let it couldn't believe it. She hadn't even left the train station and this charming man was offering her work. The man lead Leda out of the station and suggested that she and her son follow him along shortcut that ran through a nearby field, but once they passed out of sight of the station neither Leda, nor her son would be seen alive again. Hi I'm Greg pulsing. This is serial killers of cast original every episode we dive into the minds and madness of serial killers. Today we're taking a closer look at the horrific crimes committed by Moses Tulay the South African murderer Alva known as the ABC killer. I'm here with my co host. Vanessa Richardson Hi everyone. You can find episodes of serial killers, and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or Or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream serial killers for free on spotify just open the APP tap browse type serial killers in the search bar in today's one part episode. We're talking about Moses subtly. A sexually motivated killer abandoned is mother at a young age in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, four and nineteen ninety-five. He lured countless women with the promise of employment only to strangle them to death. We'll begin Sitoli story in just a moment. Moses it totally spent his whole life. In the Greater Johannesburg Metro area born in Nineteen, sixty, four in the all black community of Fos Laura's South Africa sitole as childhood was chaotic. The records of his early life are limited at best, but what we do know is that the death of his father set off a disastrous chain of events. When, toll as father died, he left the children's mother Sophie macy's with many mouths to feed and no means of supporting yourself. After a few months, the family was evicted and left with nowhere to go. They were homeless and may have been forced to beg on the streets to survive. Sophie was so desperate. She felt she had only one option left. Sophie brought totally and his siblings to a police station. She told them to pretend that they didn't know who their mother was or where they lived. According to the tollway, his mother sat him down look Tim in the eye and said that if he ever told anyone, he was her son, she would kill him. Sosa totally, and his siblings went to the police station and pronounce themselves orphans. They were entered into an orphanage and later separated. The impact of a mother, not only abandoning her young child, but threatening to murder them for trying to reunite cannot be underestimated too young tollway, any sense of home or security he had ever developed must have been destroyed in that moment. What followed was no better, said tollway experienced years of sexual abuse in the foster care system. Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode, please note Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or a psychiatrist, but she has done a lot of research for this show. Thanks Greg. The details of Moses as developmental years are critical to understanding his heinous crimes, according to psychologist Judith Becker and psychiatrist Bradley Johnson Abuse is common in the development of killers who commit sexual crimes, Johnson and Becker route that after puberty, certain serial killers who were abused, develop violent ideation, perhaps hoping to enact a twisted revenge. We can't confirm that subtly experienced physical abuse prior to entering the foster system, but it's likely that the abandonment and threats had a similar effect on a psyche. It may explain his early experience with criminal justice as a child Sitoli was likely already familiar with the juvenile detention system. He may have even spent periods of time living on the streets of Johannesburg. It all made him furious at the system that had failed him and at the local women who reminded him of his absent mother. Of, course, many abuse victims never take a violent turn, but we know that subtleties. Childhood haunted him for the rest of his life. He argued that he'd been wronged. As a young man mistreated by the system that was supposed to him. He wanted revenge. According to Johnson Becker many individuals who consider committing mass murder were abused as children for them, the fantasy of murdering their abusers and people like them can restore a sense of control to their life. For some the fantasies pass for others. They become a horrifying reality. Soleil work slowly up to his most violent fantasies, but when he was twenty two, he took his first steps toward his violent destiny. In Nineteen Eighty Seven Patricia Kumolo and her sister like many black South African women were looking for work. The job market was discouraging and they were desperate to find some income. On September fourteenth. The pair travelled to Boksburg and met subtly by chance. He was handsome and well-spoken. He introduced himself as Martin. Said Tollway claimed that he had recently secured jobs for two other women in Cleveland, a short train ride away, but those women hadn't shown up to work. He asked Patricia and her sister whether they would be interested in the opportunity. While her sister was wary and opted to stay behind Patricia decided to trust the stranger. He seemed like a good man and she would do anything to find work. Said Tollway was delighted and told Patricia that they should take the next train to Cleveland Patricia bid her sister farewell and headed to the station with the young charmer. During the journey to Cleveland satellite was a perfect gentleman, so when he suggested they get off at the Helen Ice Station and take a short cut through a nearby field. She agreed once they had walked out of sight of the station. Everything Changed Sitole as demeanor darkened, and he turned on Patricia threatening her. It was obvious how much stronger he was than the smaller woman, so when he ordered her to hand over her wedding ring and earrings, she quickly obeyed. Patricia hope that the man was just a thief and let her go, but he had other plans. Sitoli tough Patricia clothing bound her hands behind her back with her Bra and raped her when he was finally finished, he left her alive, but tied her clothing tightly over her face, then through her dress over her body. Patricia Khumalo was most first victim, and in his mind, the plan had gone off without a hitch. It's not uncommon for serial killers to go on dry runs, attempting crimes that reflect their later IMOs years prior to their next set of crimes like many serial killers Sitoli began with rape before he graduated to murder, and even in this first crime, we see his obsession with femininity, his fixation on Patricia undergarments and his need to control her. Already it was clear that Moses's tollway had developed a compelling strategy to gain women's trust and isolate them. By pretending to offer job opportunities, he could control countless, desperate and impoverished women. After the success of his first attack, Sitoli was ready to try his act again. In September of nineteen eighty eight, almost exactly a year after his attack on Patricia. Khumalo twenty-three-year-old Sitoli found his next victim. The story was horrifyingly familiar, twenty six old Dirk Koetter Bony, Kabbani also from plus. Loris met Moses at a friend's workplace. He promised her work in Cleveland and like Patricia dorks jumped at the opportunity for a paying job. dorks was charmed by young strapping Moses, and willingly followed him out of the train station and along a wooded shortcut. As soon as they were alone, Saito lay once again showed his true colors. He turned and struck Darcus then he held his hands around her neck as he raped her multiple times. It's unclear. If toll a plan to kill Dorks, because he was interrupted mid attack, according to her, he stopped when he heard someone approaching scrambling, he took orchises, valuables and ran. DORKCAST didn't report the assault until much later in court when she realized she was lucky to escape with their life. And only five months later, said Tola back to his violent ways. In February of nineteen eighty nine bogus. AW, SWAQA! Mesa met a young man while she was out looking for work. Like his earlier victims, who yes beliefs Attali when he told her about a job opportunity in Cleveland so she boarded the train and followed subtly into the field. This time Moses reenacted more of his first attack tying. Yes, was hands and feet with underwear, raping and robbing her, and then tying a coat over her face as he left, Moses threatened to kill Bouillabaisse. What if she told anyone but Bush did? Alert the authorities who were able to use her description to track down to totally and prosecute him for rape. Twenty five year old Sitoli was sentenced to ten years in prison for rape. By all accounts Moses was a model prisoner during his time at the Pretoria Central Prison, he read often joined the choir and became a great devotee of classical music. Saito lay even met the woman Martha, who would become his girlfriend while in prison? Martha was visiting her nephew in prison when she and Sitoli struck up a conversation. If she asked him about his charges, he likely claimed that he had been framed, then picked out of a lineup by woman who he had never seen before in his life. It seems that Martha believed his lies, and began a relationship with him, and she wouldn't have to wait long for his release. In nineteen, ninety three, Sitoli was paroled for good behaviour. The twenty nine year old choirboy had been rehabilitated. Oh, how wrong they were! In a moment Moses is terrifying. Murder Spree begins. High listeners if you're fascinated by the mysterious and manipulative side of true crime, Greg and I have another podcast series. That's just for you. It's called cults. That's right every Tuesday joint, Vanessa, and me as we step inside the minds of those who lead and follow the most controversial radical and sometimes deadly organizations in history we'll go beyond the headlines and discover the foundation behind notorious call colts like Jim Jones and Peoples Temple. Temple, the rudge movement Heaven's Gate and more each episode of cults is full of illuminating details of their improbable origins and sinister intentions, but not all colts from decades past be sure to catch the special four part series on nexium. A Modern Day pyramid scheme turned sex trafficking cult doomsday predictions, religious beliefs, extraterrestrial orders find out what really happens inside a cult subscribe to colts, free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Now back to the story. When twenty nine year old Moses. was released from prison in nineteen ninety-three. He walked out of prison into a South Africa. That was changing dramatically every day. The oppressive apartheid racial hierarchy had fallen, and by the next year Nelson Mandela would become the first black president in South African history, but so totally cared little about the turbulent political climate shortly after his release he and his girlfriend Martha welcomed a baby girl. For his part said totally seemed to be trying to keep his nose out of trouble for almost a year Sitoli was tied to any crimes. He likely occupied himself with his new family and relished his opportunity to listen to the classical music. He had learned in the prison choir. It's possible that he truly made an effort to reform after his time behind bars. It's also possible, but he felt he just had to wait it out until his parole period was over. Because beneath the veneer of reformed man, the urge to kill Lert, it wouldn't stay dormant for long. On July, Fourteenth Nineteen, ninety four nineteen year, old Maria Monet name Nama left her house in the suburb of Mamelodi to go into the closest city. Pretoria, it's unclear exactly what happened when she got there, but based on our knowledge of Saito lay weaken. Take a guess. Maria must have been overwhelmed in the largest city that was possibly looking for someone to help her navigate the bustling streets. Unfortunately for her, she met twenty nine year old Saito lay. He must've seemed charming and worldly to the teenager odds are he offered her a job? Around this time, totally had founded an organization called youth against human abuse. He likely used his own traumatic history in the foster care system to explain his connection to the cause and what he hoped, his organisation could do for abuse victims. There was just one problem you against human abuse had no offices and no employees. All that Saito lay did have was a stack of job applications that he carried everywhere. These may have been enough to convince. Maria Manama two days after she ventured into Pretoria. Arenas body was found in a field behind the local hostile. She had been raped and strangled to death. In the emerging methodology of his early crimes, we can clearly see how Sitoli mirrored his early sexual assaults in his murders. His fixation on women's underwear adds an additional layer to his sexual crimes. It's possible that he associated the garments with his absent mother in a paper, Co authored by Psychiatry and public. Policy Professor Janet Warren. The authors show that certain sexually sadistic serial killers fixate on a certain type of victim or object that the victim possesses this radically increases the risk. They will be caught, but it's so central to the fantasy that they presumably cannot resist. According to other sources underwears commonly fetish is trophy for killers. But. It's more common for these killers to take underwear souvenirs after murder. In some cases, they were the underwear as part of the sexual fantasy. Toll as case he used lingerie as his weapon, and now that he had perfected his routine for murder. Nothing was going to slow him down. Earlier that year, so Tony started dating twenty six year old. Amanda kebble feeling while maintaining his relationship with Martha Amanda was yet another woman taken in by Saito as lies. He most likely told her that his rape charge was simply a case of mistaken identity. Amanda must've believed him. The relationship quickly became serious and Amanda even introduce a toll late to her parents, but as they grew closer, things took a turn. On August Second Nineteen Ninety four Moses followed Amanda to work. She was last seen a train to winter feld where she worked at a school four days later, her body was discovered dumped on a mining site. Amanda had been raped and strangled with a piece of clothing. Likely, her undergarments she had her pantyhose and panties in her mouth, and a Jersey hung over her head. In the second half of nineteen, ninety four, the bodies of five more murdered women were found in the Johannesburg and Pretoria Metro areas. The murder scenes board chilling similarities to one another. There was thirty-three-year-old Joyce to Connie Masha Bela who had been traveling from Johannesburg to Pretoria to visit her sister on August ninth on August Nineteenth, she was found raped and strangled with her pantyhose tied around her neck. Next came twenty four year old Amanda Rafeal Way Moqhali Amanda. A local student was heading to Pretoria, but she never made it. was discovered on September eighteenth. She'd been strangled to death with her own raw. In. Many of these early murders is unclear. How a totally learned the women at, and it's possible that he improvised some scenarios, but we know for sure. He lured in Rose Rebbe Teela Mageuzi with another promise of employment. The twenty two year old had made a note in her calendar that she was going to a job interview with tollway in Pretoria on September fifteenth, but she never returned from the trip. Rozema goat's body was eventually found behind a hotel and BOKSBURG. She had been raped and strangled to death with her own underwear. By the spring of that year it was obvious to the police that a serial killer was preying on vulnerable young black women. They dubbed the killer. The Cleveland Strangler because many of the victims had been found in the Johannesburg suburb of Cleveland. In the summer the police received a critical break in the case, an informant for the Brixton robbery and murder deparment tip them off. The Cleveland. Strangler was a man named David Saliba. Thirty one year old David, Celebi lived and worked in the same general area as Moses Sitoli, and he was also widely described as charming and well liked. Celebrity had a flashy reputation in his neighborhood. Thanks to his, Mercedes. With Celo became aware that he was under investigation, he fled to neighbouring Mozambique the South African. Police called on Interpol to help and on December fifteenth he was arrested and transferred back to south. Africa The South African police puts a leper through a brutal interrogation. Until he confessed to fifteen murders, investigators believe that he lured the struggling women with promises of his wealth. By that time the murderers had hit the papers and celebres capture had become a new sensation in its own right. It's unclear just how much of celebres confession police believed, but they knew they had to put it to test. The detectives took Celebi to various crime scenes and asked him to walk them through the murders at some sites celebres, knowledge of the murder was chillingly detailed at others. He seemed less certain. It didn't make the detectives anymore. Certain about his guilt or innocence but detectives were tired. They'd been traipsing Celebi all over Johannesburg he didn't have all the answers they had asked for, but his insights were accurate enough that they still felt he was there man. With, Christmas just a few days away. It's possible, but detectives were ready to clock out and be with their families. Surely they had enough to close the book on this one. Perhaps, that's why they didn't immediately react when Celebi told them to look down in the bushes and see where he had hidden victims close. CELEB- picked up a heavy tree branch. Ben Selects Struck. He hit one detective hard in the face with the log. The officer went down and select fled. Instinctively, a second detective drew his gun and fired. The gun shot was fatal and Celebi died. From the police perspective, David's Lepas death was a blessing. They had identified the Cleveland Strangler, and he had been killed by police officer and a simple act of self-defence. Now there was no need for trial. Unfortunately the question of whether he had an accomplice was now impossible to answer, but as far as the police were concerned, their job was done. It's possible that David. Selecta never killed anyone in that. He simply crave the attention that came with being labeled a serial killer. It's also possible that he and incidentally collaborated on one or more murders, but so totally has always denied ever meeting celebre. After David Celebres, DEAF DNA testing tied him to multiple crime scenes, but in mid nineties South Africa. The technique was more of a general indication than perfect forensic fingerprint. The South African police's forensic scientist could identify that Celebi had a DNA grouping of twelve twelve. The same grouping found in semen samples from various crimes. But they could not differentiate between poly markers. Salameh was one of many with the twelve twelve DNA grouping. Still with the news of celebres death, the women of Johannesburg slept easily during Christmas of nineteen, Ninety Four, so too did Moses, said Tola. With celebre, having taken the fall for the Cleveland Strangler murders, he would start the new year with a clean slate and no police attention. When we come back most strikes again now back to the story. In January of Nineteen Ninety five thirty one year old Moses said Tola had been out of prison for two years, and was living with his girlfriend, who had become his common law wife and their daughter he had killed a number of women in that time, but police had arrested David Celebi for the murders when selected died in police custody. The pressure was offset Tola, and he was free to kill again. In. The early months of nineteen ninety-five, a string of bodies appeared in Atteridgeville South Africa about an hour north of Cleveland, but not all exhibited clear science Attila's Mo.. On January fourth an autopsy on a murder victim's bodies showed signs of rape, but by the time the body was found, she was so badly decomposed. She couldn't be identified. It's important to note that not all of the bodies discovered during this time can be definitively linked to sit tollway. The end of apartheid was a tumultuous time in South Africa with many unexplained deaths. It's possible that multiple serial killers were active during this period, and that some of these murders were attributed to sit tollway erroneously. The next killing that we can firmly attributed totally was discovered on March Sixth Nineteen, Ninety Five It was early in the morning and municipal workers were digging trenches near Atteridgeville. A worker pulled up his shovel to see a hint of what looked like skin. He pushed away the dirt nausea rising as it became clear, he was looking at a woman's decomposing breast. The victim was later identified as Sarah. Mata, Kala Makono. The twenty five year old was like many of Sitole as other victims looking for work. She was living with her parents when she went to meet with Sitoli about an employment opportunity. In the early months of nineteen, Ninety five Sitoli must have felt invincible police didn't even suspect him, and he was killing at will on April seventh. He arranged another fake interview in Pretoria this time with twenty four year old. Nicola Deco. When was body was discovered in Atteridgeville? Three months later, she had been fixated. Her pantyhose were twisted around her neck with a stick forming a garage. Authorities suspected that the killer toyed with his victims. Before they died using the garage, he could bring them in and out of consciousness while he raped them. When he was done, he would end his game. Russian psychiatrist and serial killer expert Alexander, Bukowski has written about the significance of his fixation in serial killers. In a case study Bukovsky Co authored in two thousand seven. He argues the disfiguration as a method of murder Lens, the sexually sadistic killer greater control. This suggests that Italy was hungry for power something. He sorely lacked in his fractured upbringing. By July nineteen ninety-five, the bodies of at least five women had been found in Atteridgeville under similar circumstances. All after the death of David Saliba, the man who had confessed the earlier murders in response to this a police task force was formed in the Pretoria murder and robbery unit. At this stage, there was nothing to suggest that these recent murders were connected to the Cleveland Strangler case. Which DNA evidence had linked to celebi though as stated earlier, this testing was rudimentary compared to today's technology. After the news of the Task Force became Public Sitoli moved his killings back to his old stomping crowns to be safe in ways. However, he was getting sloppy. Sometime in the summer of nineteen, ninety-five Sitoli paid a visit to a nonprofit organization called Kidshaven, he spoke to the employees and handed out fliers, advertising his own nonprofit and said they were hiring. The phone number on the form led to an answering machine at the totally sister's house. One Kid's haven employees mclovin tryphina Mahachi called the number to ask about job. She scheduled a meeting with Sitoli for seven am on August fifteenth at the Benoni. Train station. That was the last day that she was seen alive. When McCulloch's mother went to kidshaven looking for answers, she was told about her daughter's meeting with lay. She gave this information and the flyers to the police, but it was of little use. The Cobras photograph was circulated as a missing person, but police opted not to follow up with lay. It was an oversight that would have deadly consequences. Mokaba's body was found months later buried in Boksburg. As winter, turn to Spring Sitoli became more and more brazen. He hid multiple bodies within walking distance of each other and left purses, containing identifying information at the scene. While we know little about Saito as home life at the time, it's clear that as the pace of his murders accelerated, his relationship with Martha deteriorated, Moses moved out some time in nineteen, ninety five Sitoli later claimed that he began living homeless somewhere in or around Park station Johannesburg. It was one of the largest train stations in the city and conveniently close to Cleveland. Both factors worked in his favour given his preferred victimization. toll as domestic situation fell apart is hard to say as Martha has always avoided talking to the press. By this stage, the murders were making national headlines, and it's possible that she began to suspect he was the killer that she read about and seen on TV. News reports ran weekly demanding progress in the case Nelson. Mandela himself gave a speech in Boksburg begging for the killings to end. With the added pressure of the media, attention said tollway was feeling the heat. The police also under extreme pressure had decided it was time to call for help. Thanks to the end of apartheid relations had normalized between the South African American governments in recent years, this troubling serial killer provided a unique opportunity for additional collaboration. In September of Nineteen Ninety five, the South African police formally requested the help of one of the FBI's experts serial killer profiler. They sent Robert Ressler to assist once on the ground. He studied the case and created a profile of the killer. Restless suggested that the killer was a man between the ages of twenty, five and thirty five. It was also likely that he was self employed at enjoyed standing out. Perhaps he wore flashy clothes and drove a luxury car and would probably come across as a charming ladies man. Rustler also suggested that the killer with playing cat-and-mouse Games with the police and follow his case closely in the media finally, he hypothesized that the killer hated women due to a root trauma. As a psychological profile wrestlers analysis got quite a bit right. His biggest mistake was suggesting that the killer drove a luxury car, said Tola always claimed he could not drive, but that might have been ally used to protect accomplices. Some of his victims bodies were found far from train stations, suggesting he may have had. To a car. So toll, his emo made use of the rail system. It's possible that the American wrestler turned a blind eye to public transit. It's also possible that law enforcement officers before him wrestler had partially confused. Tollway with CELEB- Celebrity Bell, so met most of these criteria and had driven a Mercedes. Regardless restless profile set investigators on the right track within a month. The police found their next big break. In September of Nineteen, Ninety five several local police departments joined to create a special task force. They began referring to their target as the ABC killer in reference to the initials of ATTERIDGEVILLE BOKSBURG and Cleveland. On September seventh. The ABC killers struck again the body of airport worker. Amelia, Deka mccown, so rob delay was discovered garroted with her own pantyhose. Sitoli had been particularly sloppy here. He seems to have identified himself to Amelia by his real name. When he picked her up from her workplace, which her co workers had overheard then after he killed her, he left her purse near the crime scene. Traced the purse back to Amelia's work and from there learned as name. Captain Leon now. A member of the Task Force remembered the missing persons photos of Makoba Mageuzi. That year he pulled the fingerprints that had been taken from the Cobra's body and ask the forensics team to check them against the ABC killer's victims. Days later, the forensics team confirmed that the same prince for the body were also on the other victims. Now the investigation had to leads that pointed straight to sit holy meanwhile thirty year olds to tollway kept killing women at an alarming pace on September twenty fifth, he strangled. Old Agnes Bouli with a belt yet as he continued his murder spree, it seems Sitoli. Realized that it was only a matter of time before he was caught, he began to plan his own on masking. On October third, nineteen, ninety-five, a man identifying himself as Joseph, telephone local reporter Thompson to beer. The man claimed to have killed many women as punishment or a false accusation of rape. The reporter knew that with the ABC killer on the front page. This call could be a huge story. A beer alerted investigators and attempted to arrange a meeting with the killer at a railway station, but he never showed later totally claimed he was scared off by the police presence. Sitoli then reached out to reporter. Charles Megani. Asking to meet at a train station where he would hand himself over Megani agreed, but did not contact the police. While, megani waited, he grew suspicious. Two men sitting in a car parked across the road from the station. He was sure they were cops suspicions that were confirmed when he saw them. Get Out and Frisk passer-by. Megani was furious. Someone had tipped off the police, and his big break was ruined. Saito lay never showed up. In this period Sitoli showed his tendency to toy with investigators, justices profile suggested. It's possible that here again. He was displaying his need for control. The tollway was approaching the end of the line, but he would still do anything to assert dominance over the police, the media and his own story. So totally did not let his flirtations with the press slowdown his killing spree while the police hunted him Sitoli manage to kill four more women. Each was strangled using a piece of their own clothing and left in a field by a rail station. My October thirteenth the police were getting desperate. They finally released a photo of Sitoli to the media and asked the public for their help when Sitoli saw these photographs. He decided he wasn't going down without a fight. Soon, only called his sister's husband Maxwell and asked him for a gun. Maxwell agreed to bring it to a factory in Benoni about a half hour west of Johannesburg. Sitoli. Arrived at the factory on October Eighteenth Nineteen, ninety five. It was quiet yet. He was suspicious. Maxwell was nowhere to be seen. As it turned out Maxwell had informed the detectives about his brother-in-law's strange call, the task force knew they had another chance to catch the tollway and they were determined to not let him slip through their grass. Outside the factory Sitoli was stopped by inspector Francis Moeletsi who is disguised as a security guard, so tola ran mullahs Vecsey pursued and cornered him in a nearby alley. Like a caged Beast Sa-, totally turned on his pursuer. He produced an accent stroud at the undercover cop. Possibly injured, but still moving. Mullahs Betsy managed to get off a shot. He wounded totally in the arm and stomach. Sitoli was taken to the hospital untreated for his wounds, then released for interrogation. Once, he recovered. The police took him in for questioning after their experience was selected the previous year. They were wary of making mistakes. However said me was able to answer all their questions in excessive detail allegedly, he counted his crimes with chilling smile on his face. At, one point, sue totally became so excited describing one of his horrific acts that he began masturbating in the interrogation room for the authorities, there was no question. They finally had their killer. Ultimately, forensic scientists were able to tie toll as DNA to multiple cases. He was charged with thirty eight murders and forty rapes. The government was confident. They had an open and shut case, and they were determined to make an example of Moses Sitoli perhaps in an effort to show the strength of the post-apartheid Government Mosa. Toll as trial began on October twenty, first nineteen, ninety-six over three hundred fifty witnesses were called to. To testify against him in a process that lasted over a year, according to witnesses, thirty two year, old Saito Lay, wore a smile every day of the trial except one the day. That's a toll as estranged common-law wife Martha came to visit the courtroom with his daughter, most begged to hold his three year old child Martha ignored him. Anatoly cried out furious brisa tollway. His daughter may have finally sparked some form of regret. Ward than his eventual two thousand four hundred ten year sentence this moment seem to truly upset Tulay. Perhaps. He realized that his crimes meant he would have no part in his daughter's life then again. Maybe he just couldn't handle a woman defying him. Thanks again for tuning into serial killers for more information on Moses the tollway amongst many sources we use do. We found strangers on the street serial homicide in South Africa? By Micki pistorious extremely helpful to our research. 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400 - Movies They Don't Make Anymore

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400 - Movies They Don't Make Anymore

"I folks in today's episode there is some language, some salty language. So if you're in the car with your children, go ahead and stop playing it or put the muffs on them you talking about. Wow. Hello and welcome. My name is John August. My name is Craig Mazin. And this is upset four hundred of script notes. Wow, podcast about screenwriting and things that are interesting to screenwriters God today on this our quarter century, we are going to be talking about movie genres and sub genres that aren't getting made anymore and how we can fix. This tells us out we are joined by guests from exactly one hundred episodes ago. Kristie Corey is a writer director whose credits include usual suspects Vaccari, Jack Reacher, the last two mission impossible's the next two as well Kristie. Cory welcome back. Thank you very much. So the deal is every one hundred episodes. We have worked up enough tolerance to have mcquarry back. You know, Craig here, we go you were in here for the last you want. That's why wasn't very good. And. I missed that. Christopher querying. I have been engaged in a what fifteen year long argument about everything about everything literally think, it's even much. It's not so much an argument is it's a love story. This the dualist. Yes. I think that's describe wake up in the morning, you go to work fighting this man, you must. Three hundred. I was talking to you. We were both living in Paris because you were yet recognition mission impossible. It hadn't come out yet. You're in the middle of shooting, it it turned out. Really? Well, so congratulations on that. Amazing. You very much and two more to come to more to come. So the idea is you'll make these until they kill you. Meaning the movies are going to kill you. It's more likely that they will kill me than they will kill Tom. No, nothing kills Tom Cruise. See you've proven that by by the way, openly attempting to murder him through film. I mean, everyone knows I have been described as his enabler. He describes me as his name. I'm not actually trying to kill him. I'm just trying to could've fooled me. I'm trying to just know. He would he would be doing most of the let's drown him moving training plane tried to done. Let's drown him. Then let's make him hurdle from roof up broke up on too bad. Keep going. Yeah. That's true. Wow. You're you're killing him in front of us. I'm I'm wiggling him away. I here, but when you see him in top gun. Topgun younger topgun deuce topgun maverick maverick is he looks younger in topgun than he did in fallout, and I can tell you it's not surgical because there is absolutely no time in between for him to do that. So Madge is match of no eat owed. It is. It's it's incredible. It's it's diet and exercise I don't like God doesn't drink doesn't Trink booze. It's you know, what the ages are. Drink alcohol down smoke cigarettes. Love what you do love. What you doing exactly where? And there's a book you can read. Called a younger next year. And it's all about I'm not reading that shit. You should definitely read not gonna because guys our age we all have to read it. And essentially what the book says is once you start rounding the horn into your fifties. Right. You just start dying to not dying because there's it's decay, and this as we were you exercise can sweet the more you exercise, the more you hold off that decay. Tom has been on a regimen for three years. Now, that's gonna argue that none of us are going to do that bad. We will be here sitting you. It's right guy his table who don't work out, but recommended in one hour day chance days now. But you know, what we know words, we do know the words I mean, the vocabulary between the three of us a lot that all those all its words, Craig. Yes is episode is a milestone, not only in that it's four hundred. But it's also the first the recording after noble has which the air. Yes, christ. We're post-chernobyl. We are poster noble has it reached the air. Yes. Night. Night on Tuesday, Monday was the first night that I not wait to see. You don't have to wait. It's on the air. It's on demand. And now, I know I mean, I from where we're sitting rice now will run home and watch this evening. Big big backer of the show. I have deep personal feelings of resentment about. Yes this. I wanted to make the show. Here's what Chris said. And Chris said, I would like to direct her noble, and I said, but Chris you're making mission impossible, and he said, no problem. And I said, I think a problem, but actually before that though, I wasn't making mission. And then you were again. And then, but you kept saying in the window where I wasn't making. I went to HBO and said, I'll make it an HBO. They were very polite, but I could see in their eyes. They were thinking, well, if he wants to direct it who else can I don't think. So sure I think maybe what they were saying was so in post he's gonna be prepping a mission impossible movie, I would have been when it was is this why I can't get a job doing anything else is when nobody else will offer me movies. They all think I'm just going to be imposed on mission of. No, it's because I've gone around town, just killing you. So you're noble on the air at long last five years. I looked on in my little folder GS. Keep like a folder of all your Old Trafford. Yeah. Oh, yeah. In so the oldest document I have in my turnover folder was from like may twelfth two thousand fourteen almost exactly five years ago. And it was it was actually very comforting. Because it was the header was stuff to figure out. And it was it was just like what's this about who's in it? What would the episodes? It was just a bunch of questions that any idiot could ask I guess. I'll start that way. Don't they know I need to do that more often? I don't ask myself questions, which is probably why I get into that yet. I will say this. I the other thing I said, you remember you sent me the script. I was on the east coast getting on a plane. Yes, you read them on a plane. I need you. You texted them to me just before the plane took off so I had to scripts to read and I landed and I called you up. And I said I would cut one word I would change one word. That why did not get the job those? Yeah. Exactly. I got hired didn't cut that word or chain. Do not to do those things by the way. I tried to change. I word on many many times and could never do it. I couldn't come up with anything better. Just couldn't come up. They. No, yeah. No. I could've made suggests probably, but more importantly, that's that's a damn good script. Well, I read to so now, it's it's a show. And I don't know like what ratings are. But the response has been very positive part of the reason why you've been gone for some episodes as you were talking at the UN, you're at the Tribeca film festival. You guys do all these amazing things reported a whole other podcast series of Peter Sega startles into which is great. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So the idea there was that. Because so much of what the show is about is the cost of lies and narrative and the narrative distorts truth, I felt that it was important that we hold ourselves accountable for the ways we change things to be able to tell the story so Peter Sega l- of NPR's. Wait, wait, don't tell me. And I. Recorded a companion piece. Oh after each episode airs on HBO or on sky lantern over there in the UK. Then there's this little companion piece that comes along the you can download Thrum Stitcher or apple or any of those podcast places. I've learned by the way that stitchers had to learn that for this. And we just have a discussion about what we changed him. Why? And and and eliminate other various topics of interest. We did something like that on Valkyrie actually Nathan, and I did a second commentary track where we went through and said, here's all the things we changed. And what really do you think people? I think it was incredibly. I thought very satisfying to do it a felt honest and good, and I didn't sense that an in John you you listen to it. So I'm gonna ask you did you feel like maybe by learning that some things had been changed that I had in any way undermined the experience of watching the show. No in the first episode, you talk defect at Chernobyl didn't really happen places culture novel. It's it's all it's. All made up and fairyland, for example, that a key character actually had a family. You portray him. It's not having a family that is a big distinction in a characters life, but it doesn't change the fundamental data of the events that happened. Correct. And that kind of was the rule that we tried to follow. Which is I really do not want to change anything that would fundamentally make things more dramatic didn't want to cheat because the events surrounding Chernobyl need punching. Muck. Let's just let the truth. I just on. I remember calling you and saying, okay. What of this having done at update of what is true. What did you gin up, and we had a conversation very early on for started writing it? Yes. As you you were in London, we all went out to dinner. And then I think you were on a plane to Alaska or something like that. And I yes, I was going to the ice cap which didn't have has one does what that's going research, and I was on my way to the ice cap and the from London to get to the ice cap you have to fly from London to Las Vegas, Las Vegas to Seattle. Seattle to Alaska where you get off the plane and go across the airport to where the military C one thirty with skis on it. New is waiting to take you to this ice station us don't do this. I ever the ice cap. I got to Vegas and turn my phone on all these text messages saying the ice cap. Has breaking up they had to evacuate the ice station in you're not going this year, and I have never made it. So the very least it was a short flight from London to Las Vegas. Well, I got spend the night Vegas. Oh, hey, which is better than an ice cap. This podcast is absolutely out of control. John is I live must be twitching by now. Vaguely on the apple and still the ice. Diversion? But yes, I see on the outline. It says lose the plot clients quick to get back on plot. I wish also say that we actually have a live show coming up every year, we do a benefit for Hollywood heart, which degrade charity that provides services to homeless youth and youth with HIV. We always have great guests this year. We will have great guests our live show on June thirteenth, the big change. This time is we are trying to sell out the ace hotel, which is a much bigger venue. It's gonna be great big venue. It's a great venue. Definitely please come see us buy tickets. We will as we always deliver on the guests. Don't worry about that. But really aren't we enough which should be enough? But we should guests are really the topping on the ice cream sundae. Guests are the top. It's Thursday June thirteenth at the hotel. Tickets are available now and the building in the show notes for those charity for charity. This is a charity that our good friend could mutual friend. John Gayton is is on the board o love. This is all this is all part of Geoghegan's world, we love John Giddens. We also in celebration of four hundred episodes. We have new script note shirts. Oh, yes. I'm sure. These two Craig and Chris right now. So this is so great. The light version of the shirt. This is scripted four hundred has a sort of a blank VHS videotape was the field. I was going for you nailed it. You nailed it. That's amazing. I love it. The dark version of short dark as dark kind of gives me a little bit of an Atari vibe. Yeah. Yeah. Love it. That's a little bit breakout. I love it. This is a good shirt chirp. So in has always percentage of proceeds that go to me on our our non contained consistently zero episodes, still not make it any on any money. But at you don't have to pay money early on. I like fifty episodes like Craig would have to write a check to sort to run a shout for pain on hosting fees kind of stuff. So now, John drives a Rolls, Royce. That's tacked on top of a Maserati Asia. Is it sponsored the punt guest to ask is nothing. Now, we are free in every frigging way in every recommen- every frigging do this side of the goodness of your heart weird. This is the only thing I do first of all I don't have a heart as you know, or goodness. I was late. Fi stimulate humanity. Yes. So these shirts which credits no money for are available in black and white and navy. We also have hoodies this time. So I'm getting ready hoodie. You know, I love all hoodie. Now, we finally get back on outlined to talk about the feature topic. And so every once in a while on the show, we do this kind of movie where we took a look at a genre sub-genre of movie that is not currently popular. And we discuss how we make that movie in twenty nineteen really twenty twenty or twenty twenty one realistically as we're recording. This dizzy just put out a list of all their upcoming movies through twenty twenty three which are all Star Wars there. They're all Star Wars or Princess movies. But if we wanted to try to make one of these movies, what would we need to do to get those on the Disney schedule so onto under the Disney SCA schedule and graft at this point, so not true. Oh, I are we go. Well, okay. Oh, look, I'm having an argument with Christmas. Corey arguments argument would be. Be doing. But you're not enough. We're not having an argument. This is not an argument. Dare you please. That's good. See an argument would be you had an opinion. I had a, but you're not allowed to have an opinion anymore. Not introduce opinions if you just devoid opinions and stick to facts facts. Yes. New trouble. Listen, don't have an opinion. And that's why we are not arguing the truth matters. Because I'm let's get back. Right. It's turning into the morning zoo in previous installments of the segment we have saved romantic comedies. I mean. I think we can all agree there AMAN accommodates were dead. And then we brought them back alighted. We did we also did some work on westerns. So we're back now he pitches. A different I went on Twitter on aspirin for other genres or sub genres saving that have been sort of under served. So I have a long suffering script scripts and Findus sitting around for years and years news. I I don't own it. I was commissioned to write it by producer. You would put it in the category of you know, it's that it's it's a redemption. Story game personal drama put it in that kind of verdict sorta, but what is the genre? Genre drama just sort of just people. It is a female driven drama woman goes to prison. Okay. Prison comes out Noche, not she gets she beginning of the story. She goes to prison to scenes later. She gets out of prison fourteen years later in trying to reconnect with her sister who was four years old when she went into prison and has been lost in the system. Okay. Okay. So the kind of movie that in nineteen Seventy-three would have been released now only other weekly. Yes. And netflix. Close-knit mission impossible. Netflix said we wanna do this. We'd really what Netflix is after. Now, they're fairly genre. Agnostic really looking for a content just there frantically trying to that aligns every content floored. Disney. Fires up the. Yeah. Whatever they're doing. But also building relationships with talent. And they looked at this thing and said, this is imminently castle there is now I can't say who there is a great actress interested in the role, and Netflix is just standing by. And they're going to do it. That's awesome. But kind of movie that even two three years ago would have been inconceivable another project that I was briefly attached to I'm attached to it. Now's a producer was World War Two movie, but it World War Two drama. It's not a World War, Two shoot. Shoot isn't saving private Ryan. Right. It's a guy behind enemy lines. Personal drama BIA. Again, the kind of thing you hear World War Two, and it's already were explosions. It would be hard. So yes, it's dead in the water. And so you have with with that mechanism. If you can attach the right elements to a piece of material, you can get yourself on Netflix, Hulu, Amazon or HBO and each of these categories, I wanna talk about venue, basically, still big screen idea. Or is it something that is more designed for smaller screen bitstream may be at some other way to do it. But also, I wanna talk about what is the essence of this kind of movie. What's the biggest difference between making this movie now versus when I was originally popular who the characters and then with those characters who cast in this kind of movie who writes it who directs it, and what are the big obstacles getting away of making this kind of movie again? So all right. Let's start with sports comedy comedy. So this do shelter readily. Yeah. Incredibly popular so Ron Shelton had Bilger. I what you can't jump. But we also have things like dodgeball, happy. Gilmore major league Caddyshack bad news, bears a league of their own Craig start with you. What is the essence of sports comedy to you? Underdogs generally speaking, we have underdogs, and usually there's somebody struggling with a, you know, there's a term in baseball. I don't know. If carries other sports the. Yep. Oh, yeah. Actually in golf to the czar when you just psychologically are struggling with something. And so your game falls apart. So typically in these movies somebody with an eighth skill is struggling with something. And so in Cup. Tin Cup is the best example because it's literally about a therapist helping a guy with the hips older bowl Durham, I mean, all of them. I mean, all them. There's there's a a row a romance falling apart in white men can't jump in Caddyshack, which is like is probably the broadest of these. They're still a romance at the heart of it that goes bad and has to be put back together. So it's really about the essence of these things is an athlete's personal life is disrupting their game, and they have to fix the personal life to fix their game. I that that's a fair assessment. I I hate to say this Craig is right. All that pain is me. Put it me to say. But it on a look so interesting is that the sport itself is not is incredibly important for the marketing, and sort of what the visual language of the movie will be, but it's probably not very important for what the actual story will be at the sport rarely has a very direct connection to which the characters journey is the unique thing about that sport is probably not a big factor. I guess whether it's an individual sport for team sport. That's a big factor. But you know, it can't rely on the sport. Right. Somebody who doesn't know anything about the sport. Ideally would be able to absolutely which means generally teach them the rules of the sport in one of the stock characters in these movies is somebody that doesn't know the sport. So they're the people that are asking questions or just looking around going. Well, none of this matters. But that personal matters. Yes. So looking at the biggest Trajan doing it now versus doing it. Then one of the things as we list these movies is they're almost all male characters driving this. And so the next question. So I think honestly senators around a female character is gonna probably be. Best way in whether the whole team is women, or it's unusual for women to be in that sport, something about a female athlete. Feels more promising is that going to alienate the men as well, aren't you? Are you trying to make a four quadrant move? That's a great question. I mean, I think we always used to think about big screen comedies into be not four quieter than sort of broadly successful. But if you're making it for not for a big screen booby. Maybe it's even better that it's not kind of for everyone leaves their own was pretty much for quantum? Yeah. Without question this list. Yeah. Image for Tom Hanks is a yes, he's part of a hugely important character in the movie quite wisely. Not the dominant. Characterize also movie director by woman it is. And so you can obviously if you're if you're centering your new sports comedy on. Let's say a females Mike bend it like Beckham, which is a female sports comedy, which I think a lot of male footie fans enjoyed you will have male characters. But the the fascinating thing about this list to me is is how white it is. I mean, super wise sports are one of the areas in American culture where people have colored dominate in terms of numbers. They're they're far over represented and yet in this list. They're almost nowhere with the exception of white men. Can't jump there kind. I mean, it's crazy now that I'm looking at it pretty white. I'm racking my brain. It's it's kind of nuts. I mean, and and you and if you keep going you'll see it more and more and more you'll see it a lot. A baseball movies. Take place in the distant past when? Roy Hobbs out there in the natural. It's sort of like. They all the the the nine white guys. You know, I mean and dodge ball is is just sort of lily white. I mean, it's not lily white. That's not true. But Chris it, but but still it's it's it's these are largely white casts, and it seems like they're largely for white guys. So I think we're talking sort of women non white characters centering also, you know. Is a chance to be this sport. You're picking his not a sport that is currently popular in the US. So if you were to make an American cricket movie about a cricket team that it's sort of like you down that was party, absolutely overcomes. Like, they don't know what crooked is sort of. Right. That that aspect? So that's like the it's kind of like the what's the Jamaican bobsledding team cool running running so Americans try and go to cricket. But there are basically in India-Pakistan getting there s Adam sandlers working on this movie is yes, he's where. But now, so when you're when you're pinpointing these about women and diversity are you suggesting the way to make an outlier or to get it made? Because I have to imagine I'd go get it made on that one for me because I actually feel like I mean, it's not that you can't make a movie like this again in the same mould, but it will be in the same mould. There's something so familiar about it. And it's of course, and this list, barely even scrapes. The surface of what there is. So it seems like something new would be great in some way or another new is good. And I think in this category. So the bad news bears. But well, I mean, they tried to remake it, but they tried to remake it. They did they remade it. They they remade it. And then they remade it kind of in the same mould. But with none of the things you do. Well, that's the thing so fear it of it. This is one of those interesting areas where over time we've gotten less permissive, you could not make the actual bad. News bears was rated R. There was alcohol. There was smoking. There was racism, and they were children the that's not doable now in any way, shape or form. No because it Inouye reflected reality movies have to reflect reality sold on some let's wheel the soapbox in didn't use. No, no, hold on. What I read. This is what I got the this. But here's what I'll say, I feel like a sports comedy is still a movie, and it's more of a movie than it is a TV show. Yeah. In a series because I feel like a game of sport. Whatever sport you wanna pick. Yeah. I knew you're gonna laugh at a game sport you remember? There was a TV show your. Remember ball four. I do not remember about about based on what's his name. Jim Bowden's book about his book lasted for about. Yeah. Seven episodes. Yeah. Turns out that in sports. There is this built in ticking clock. Yeah. You're gonna win or not. I mean, there's a big game in the beginning. There's a big game at the end. There's big fight in the beginning. This big fight at the end. It's kinda like and Friday night lights is isn't exception. But it's not a comedy. It's on drama that Senator around football family life is about and the culture the culture and its high school. Oh, and it's, but it started as a movie started his. Next category ensemble drama days. So we used to make things like cinemas fire the big chill breakfast club. Wow. Fish terms of endearment. We used to make things that had big tasks, whereas a bunch of folks came together where characters did grow and change. But it was an unstoppable, it wasn't sort of one. Character story is that a thing we're going to be making on the big screen sooner. Or we'll start with what is the essence of that kind of start. What is the essence of an ensemble drama de? Let's make mcquarry ticket shot that one. It seems to me as I'm running through the list that you just nostalgia is a big part of it. I mean, it's my understanding that somebody did a breakdown of why people go to see movies, and the number one reason was to have a nostalgic experience an emotional nostalgic experience. I think that probably plays into sports as well. Especially plays into why a lot of sports movies seemed to go back in time act that the that at and you look at the big chill, the big chill is very much a nostalgic movie. It's a reunion of friends who has sought predator, right? Saito most fire while it wasn't an aesthetic movie. They were at a specific turning point in their life. That would come back to me. That's it. It's we have a group of people that represent some kind of contemporary arrangement. Whether we're catching them later, or they were contemporary or in their contemporary us like for instance, the breakfast club. But they are any moment where things are changing. And we watch that happen. That to me is the essence of these things. But the love of God, I cannot imagine anyone putting this on a screen anymore. It just doesn't seem like they will so bummer. That's challenging. I mean on a big screen. I think you can't stand these four streaming no question. But it is in so many ways though, the one hour series have taken even a short series of sort of taking the place of these where you can see those characters groceries this, and yeah, this is this is. As a family and interestingly, Dan, Fogelman, tried to movie sort of tried to do it as you tried. This is us as a movie and it didn't connect with audiences. But he's obviously incredibly good at it. Because tens of millions of people watch. This is us in doubt. It's all these awards. There is something. I don't know we used to be able to go and watch the sun. Maybe it's just that we used to expect less, you know, we would go to the movie theater, and we weren't asking to have our brains blown out the back of our skulls. I I went to see Hiller high water. Oh, which is fantastic. And which I loved and I was talking to Tim Talbot. Shortly thereafter, and you see how would I what I said. Yes. Which think about it? And he goes that was a great movie in nineteen eighty seven that would have been a good movie. And but he's right in that that sort of stuff I remember going to the movies every weekend. I did not. It was not an event right now. When when you ask when you ask anybody under the age of twenty five why they go to the movies, right? They they will say in one form or another because I have to go. They want to be part of a discussion. Right. I I tried to get to see avengers which I finally saw yesterday as quickly as I could because I was tired of right to self imposed media bubble. There were things that movie. I really didn't want ruined getting to that state. Whereas the stories that we're talking about what television does. So. Well, now, especially is there is a collective history. If you try to tune into game of thrones. Now, you don't understand it wouldn't the number of people who were saying three years in a madman gun. Yeah. I tried to get into that show. And I just couldn't flick, of course, not return middle of season three. None of this makes aren't at the beginning. That's true. But I do think that one of the the problems for like, I remember going to see Saint almost fire, and my expectation was that I was gonna see a group of people that were somewhat older than me. Dealing with problems. And I knew at some point somebody was going to like do I think Rob Lowe is going to light a torch on fire with some hair, spray or something and to me more was in a corner super dramatic. And and I thought okay, I'm gonna see some sort of human drama. Nobody would that would not do it anymore. Now, people go to the movie theater. It's like well. This is going to pin me back, and it's gonna blow my mind, and I'm gonna see stuff, and it's going to be an event and event an event, I just think people go to the movies for different reasons. But don't you think also what you can get from television is very different than what we can go television. Absolutely, no question. You could not make game of thrones. As feature film, any of the content game of thrones. Right. Would be NC seventeen nor could you have made it for television prior to this kind of strange change. Yes. You know, it is it's the it's the networks that as soon as basic cable met the British model. Of television, which wrench model you make a good television show when it stops being good. You've when it reaches the end, you stop isn't that. Nice. Yes. No this. This is gonna be accepts oath long great yet or six episodes this season instead of twenty two every season. Which is why I take my hat off to people like to cast who are still doing it not just on one show. But multiple shows. I mean, the amount of story that has to be generated by those guys is bananas. Yeah. But yes, the the format has become not just flexible, but there is no format. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Let's get back to movies. All right next. Let's say the legal thriller or the courtroom thriller momentous things together. So obviously, we have all the John Grisham based ones. The pelican brief the firm client a time to kill the rainmaker. If Michael Clayton, we have primal fear of primal fear presumed innocent disclosure, a few good men in the verdict. The verdict. How often do you all title in twelve angry men? Yes. The or courtroom drama, twelve angry men and. And Justice for all and Justice for all we can probably go on. Yes. I think we asked what is the essence of these kind of thrillers? So traditionally, I think you have an authority figure who's generally the prosecutor or could be working for the defense who is very smart at the law who has to intercede in specific situation. The generally did commit the situation there. They're to solve a problem in trying to solve the problem. They uncover something remarkable that puts themselves either in moral jeopardy or literal jeopardy. We don't make these we haven't made them for awhile. No, well, if you were talking it when we retired about twelve hundred men in the verdict. Those lumet movies twelve angry men is morality tale sort of study of and it feels like apply and yes, very much touched by the verdict is a redemptions. The verdict is in a lotta ways a boxing movie. It's the the Paluku who gets who comes back for an I think that that's that's a good distinction. Because some of these. Like a few good men. Also feels like a boxing movie where basically a guy whose dad was a great boxer and who's decided to throw fights. Instead for living is going to come back and take on the all time champ. Yes. And and go down dying. If he has to there are those. And then there are these movies that are they turn on grand questions of Justice. What is Justice that's injustice for all just for all or? What's a time to kill very much like that? Yeah. So those are two different. I mean, they always have fireworks. They always have the certain venues that we know. And there is a verdict that is like a little bit like the game in the sports movies verdict actually ended without the without the verdict ordering. But here's a distinction is that like like a sports movie, they want to be a single movie because it's not a thing that could continue well over time. And so like burder one was attempted to take one Kelly sink over the course of whole season. It just didn't work. It could wanted to be part of one thing. They don't wanna mystery now to last that long. It's it's, you know, first of all struggling television. They they referred to it for years as the twin peaks problem, you can only lose audience couldn't gain on this. And that moving when that show was on unless you videotaped it. Yes. You couldn't go. You couldn't catch up on Netflix couldn't bit exactly. And there was something fascinating about that. To think about it. Now. Television actually just spilled out into the universe. And that was it, and you either caught it with your hands or you missed it on the floor. Yes. It comes back to urgency. The urgency how and why one watches a television show or or a movie as very different I think people should write a legal thriller. I mean, I feel like the kind of movie that you could still imagine making today where I mean, what do you need to make a great deal thriller? So you need you need a star. I feel like it's actually a star vehicle that person who cast as the central lawyer is great. You look at you know, I think you could make primal fear at any point where you have also have a great supporting care, if you thriller in like that and jetted off course. Oh, yes. And if you watch it recently. Yeah, it's amazing. I've been going back and watching the it's also the innocent. Yes. And the other one I went back and watched recently, which was fascinating artifact is artifact place against. Oh, yeah. We're gonna get to sexual era. Thrillers. Do all right. Good. I think I think that there is some space for it. The problem is it is the most trod upon ground because we have four thousand episodes of law and order, and it will stop neither. We'll see us. I now will NCIS the the that arena as the courtroom procedural aspects of it have been just beaten to death. So the question is how can you do it? I think like it could go back all the way to twelve angry men and not yet have idea. If you ask what they all have in common as I'm sitting here. I'm internal is the the discovery. Yeah. There is some reveal there is there is a hidden secret to sort of turns the case those are hard to do. What's the the the Dershowitz one with classroom Bulow close? The reversal of fortune now one shook sunny, yes, that's my friend that what I love about. That is the reversal is the last line the reversal is the last line in the movie, you have no idea. And then weirdly, Alan Dershowitz has had his own fascinating reversal that. That's not that's for other podcasts. Absolutely. I think we can make a legal thriller. So did you make illegal thriller for the big screen, maybe and I really good legal thriller. You could also be an awards contender the same way that the post was journalism thriller. That's got. Got it has to be asked to be specifically crafted for the kademi awards. I would think you'd need to huge stars. I can see about who those huge stars are street. But regardless of our John of our narrow street versus Denzel Washington to lawyers going head to head over something that is actually legitimately relevant to our society. Now. Well, you'd be going after you'd be talking about abortion gun control, really hot topic issues, please tally at least pre-taliban and the trick of that making that movie is making a movie that is for both halves of the audience, not one. Now, I don't know the central issue. I don't need needed a marquee issue. So it was about sort of corporate control. Because. Yeah. Because you wanna thriller you still want to throw. The truth is the thing at the heart of a few good men is not a hot button issue. There's an interesting theme to it crew. But it isn't a hot button issue, and maybe actually be better without one. Maybe I just want to people, you know, and also talk Tom Cruise Tom Cruise can. Well, he's done. It though is that I can do it again. I think well, I would love to see Tom do aversion verdict. I'd love to see him do the broken down. You know, he's it's his Jerry Maguire is his addict German, we talk German guar forever and began I got huge love for that script. Talk about a weird. What's the pitch to Jerry? Maguire wanna make a movie about a sports agent is having an emotional crisis. I the on my pitch for German guar is imagine a man whose life is deeply flawed who has a moment of clarity where he describes exactly who should be. And that's the beginning of the movie. And then the entire movie is him trying to become that guy. But would you have picked a sports agent. No. But that's fun. That's what I mean. It's such a they are not works. There's scumbags. Well, that that helps yet finding a scumbag econo- job like sports agent. I don't know any sports agency. They're just blanket called them all comeback. But sorry, it's the whole agent to we go to the erotic thrillers. Fatal attraction basic status thriller need. What's the central elements of an erotic? I believe boobs are high on the list as color of night killing me, softly, American gigolo, gone girl. I would say it's an Rana thriller has aspects of that. Thriller. There's a sexual aspect to it gets an erotic as your Roddick through moronic pulpy in the way that we sort of you wanted to run it through to be. Yes. Yes. Yes. So sea of love. Nice. Nice poll. I got to go back and watch that one good so running tillers at the time, it was sexual content on screen that you just couldn't see other places. You certainly couldn't see it on TV. And now, you can't see it anywhere eaters. And there's nothing, but on television true, you can see it on your phone. It should be a list of myth fright website that has a list of perfectly reasonable civil Google searches. That will absolutely blow your mind with the images that come up. I just feel like old people are always, you know, like, there's there's no parental controls are like, I'm just searching for something normal. Yeah. And then look what just came up. Yes. Yeah. So what does thing which is an erotic thriller from just poem for porn or from just or from things that have sexual obsession obsession are factual obsession. So jagged edge, you the it's the it's the forbidden nature of the sexual relationship. There is an inappropriate boundary. That's being crossed. There is Michael Douglas is investigating Sharon Stone. So he should not be having sex with Sharon Stone, and Glenn Close is representing jeopardy. So she should not be having sex with. No, we left off. This list, though is fifty shades of grey, which really would fit underneath this general categories, those romance. But I mean, he actually has thriller elements. Okay. There's there's bad people doing bad stuff in a to her life is in danger. So so I think it would onto this general category. So clearly is our market for making that kind of movie, we just don't make it. Yeah. I mean, look this this kind of old school classic nineties or early nineties late eighties Roddick thrillers. Were weirdly in their own way, puritan Nistiuk because they would basically reinforce that transgressive sexual behavior would automatically lead to blood on the floor. It's all basically a lesson in staying monogamous and don't get out of your lane. And don't give into temptation and people who were overtly sexual are equated with evil, and you see come up over and over and over. I if there's any reason why we don't make these now beyond the obvious, which is that kind of market for them. It's probably that are sexual mores have kind of come further than anything else. Can I point out one common thread, there are these these erotic thrillers that are starring men as the protagonist and erotic thrillers? They're starting starring women is the protagonist. Yes. The ones starring men. The men are kind of bastards there if fatal attraction Michael Douglas is sort of perfect in that role. You have. A character who is violating the audiences trust. Yes. Julian has Tom Hanks was fatal attraction and made the decision that quickly to have sex with Glenn Close, you'd be like, what's Tom. Whereas Michael Douglas. You kinda believed it a little lizard. Yes. An I'm looking at Richard Gere who next career loved playing an abrasive bastard. There was almost something where he was in tag ising, the audience cruel intentions, Ryan Philipe in that movie is playing a version of Valmont tennis enjoying being a bastard out Pacino and sea of love he's that. That's like the verdict meets erotic thriller drunken messed up cop and an element that I'm seeing in. This is the casting in the writing of the male character there, they all seem to end, by the way Douglas comes back in Basic Instinct, it a little bit of it seems to be the audience enjoying watching this guy. Get his come up for having broken rules. Right. And morale has thing the right actor in. Morality play is. But they also in some way start to turn these men into passive movers. Right because these women come along and tempt them and turn their heads and confuse them. And you know, it's a little I don't know. I just think it's all there was nothing confused in Michael Douglas's performance in fatal attraction, they're out having a drink after having had a war and he makes a decision. Yes. In Chania sleep does. But then the movie basically says okay fine that happened. But look how crazy she is. No, have you watched it recently. No, go back and watch arm. It's really there's the whole thing that she's pregnant, and he all he's trying to do is shut it down. Right. She's definitely got issues. She won't be Lord. But Michael Douglas is not he handles it. The way a panicking male would not the way the hero of a movie would other great thing about that movie is in Archer Archer is this. Do remember her being like she was the ideal? Yes. And for Glenn Close, it's kind that's kind of an unconventional role for Glenn Close. Ed. It's interesting that she is in almost back tobacco thrillers. If you go back and watch look at the look at those two movies, which shot within a few years of each other. And by the way, the natural was right in there to see look at Glenn Close rights re this like luminous angel. She's yes, she's kind of she's the Madonna. Yes. She was this tough lawyer who literally corrupt kind of compromise making us, and then playing that woman in the traction sort of on. Yeah. J- mentally has erotic thriller is a big win closest pretty pretty good at her job. I mean, I mean, I can all agree on those were probably in the next Arado throat. I don't think we're we're going to be seeing the likes of those. I commissioned gonna head to something that, you know, especially well, spoofs and parodies spoofs and parodies, though, some parodies fluids like airplanes baseball. It's not another teen movie scary movie series. He has McGrew epoch. Episodes astronaut superhero movie tropic, thunder, Shaun of the dead vampires suck Austin powers blazing saddles a we're not making many of these movies. Now, I have a theory why? But I'm curious what your theory is by. We don't make these movies as David Zucker would repeatedly say spoof is dead. And he his thing was that he would say spoof is dead. He said it before spooked came back. Spoof was dead. I remember Jim Abrams saying that he was a mixing. He was mixing mafia Jane Austen movie, Jane Austen's, mafia, Jane Austen's, and he walked down the hall where they were mixing on another mixing stage. They were mixing there's something about Mary. And he just sort of watched a few minutes of it. And then went back and said, yeah, we're fucked. It was our art. Our time is over and it was over. And then the Wayne's brothers. Brought it back with scary movie. But following the success of scary movie and two and three and four. There was this sudden, suddenly they were everywhere. And they were all there were just a lot. The marketplace was flooded with a lot of cheap stuff. And honestly as one of the people that wrote scary movie three and four. I mean, the pressure that we were under from the Weinstein's to make those movies as quickly as possible was brutal. And we couldn't do them as well as we wanted to do them, and we did them with David Sukkur, and Pat proft and may rooms so by the time all that unraveled. It was mostly I think killed at the moment by just the marketplace being flooded. But also, you got the sense pretty quickly that the internet was essentially mooting the entire point of this guy. Now is my joke. I mean, it used we like, okay, you want to make fun of this movie. Well for five nights from now is going to do the joke. Well, now, they're doing the jokes while they're watching things there is no there's no more time. It's very trace over. Yeah. It's over everything is had the internet is down. Internet is essentially machine. There's no way the movie quick enough to to do it and even on YouTube. They can do the the crappy effects version of that joke anyway. So, but is blazing saddles is on this list. Yes, it is a spoof. But it's a spoof with a higher purpose. So it's not a spoof anyone movie, it's a spoof of sort of undertaking, John kitchen. And so I think you can still do Shauna. The job is is a great example of like taking the Johner conventions and up ending them in in a way. That's that's well, that's a mash up. Yeah. And graphic. It's still I would say really hard. Now. I mean airplane was a direct spoof of a movie called zero hour from nineteen fifty six or something and ninety five which scene that was sort of the oddity of of airplane that they just did this random thing. But somewhere along the line spoofs became connected to either genres as a whole or when it got really bad, pop culture. And that's when it just all to me. Yeah. Absolutely fell apart. There's. Room for somebody to make a spoof of some weird movie that has been forgotten, but an Austin powers is taking shots at movies along with bond, Matt helm Yana and some really flimsy here in like Flint the Butte that the little when the phone rings that's directly taken some in lake floods. You look at the ones of these that we feel like you've could still make is that this films actually have individualized characters who sort of haven't Arkan have appointed view, and the movie doesn't exist to just make fun of the movie that came before I like the character is existing within world and sort of is consistent within worlds. Austin powers is a spoof of another kind of character. But it's also character himself, Dr a character himself, so this and it's time travel comet. Yeah, they both. They both are at least two of the three are the people that kinda come the closest now to doing spoof and parody in their own ways. Chris Miller Lord Miller in a weird way to I mean, LEGO has certain spoof. Aspects to it. They're Spiderman also has aspects. Like, it's it's a an awareness of where this is fitting inside the culture, it's their their jump street movies are Powell jump street. I mean, they're like, it's a self spoof. Self spoof. And but it it's different. It's not like I mean, thank God, by the way, because honestly, nothing is harder than writing those things. I will never work harder in my life than I did writing scary movie. Three in scary movie four it was just it's one of the reasons. Chernobyl's not as fun it. Yeah. No. I know that took all the all the jokes on let's say the jokes out of biblical epics and or sword and sandals movies. Oh, so things like gladiator. Ben heard Noah passionate writing heaven Spartak his ten commandments Braveheart to some degree while Lawrence of Arabia. Like, we used to make these that was actually a staple of original. Hollywood is no we have the giant ranches here because we used to make these these epochs giant movies giant movies. We don't make them anymore. And so here's the thing. I don't win awards anymore. They don't awards anymore. Even though game of thrones being shown on smaller screens is that kind of stored in Santa writing. And so when we're making them, but we're just making us more team small screen. No question. But is TV I have a very large television not terribly expensive. Imagine a lot of people. Well, their credit cards, a large TV. You're you're comparing your large TV too. The TV you grew up with which was like the TV. I grew up with. Yes, we bet nine inch black and white thing in the kitchen with the with the single intentive letterbox, correct? But my kids only know those TV's, but those TV's are still not. Yeah. I mean, they're not movies. No, it's not a movie screen. No. But most people the way their viewing habits are now. We're making a mission impossible. We have an AmEx segmented it. Yep. And people are saying, well, why don't you just shoot the whole thing? And I max because no one's going to watch. It's never going to be seen again. It's this weird. You're making this balance in there are times all be framing shot and crows walk up to me and go, you know, when this is on the big screen, and I pull my phone out of my pocket, knowing your screen Nuff, not not that. It's not that it will only. Be watched on television. But for the life of the film for the life of prime minister, life's theatrical lifespan of a movie is twelve weeks. Whoa. Twelve what is this hit movie? You got talking like, but I mean, the Taibbi. It's in eighth theaters. Yes, I'm giving like I'm giving a really innovative. It's four weeks is what it is. They used to be months. Yes. It is now about four weeks. So what what is the essence of these biblical up ex were talking about so ever talking about a gladiator, Ben her it is a character in a long ago time, generally a Roman time who is coming up against thority system. He is leading. It's almost always it's always a he these movies is leading. It's a crush figur- against room trying to figure out what it is every single time. Christ figure against Rome doesn't matter. What you do? It's Rome or not. Rave art is. That's what ten commandments is. That's even when it's jus it's still it's the Christ figure gets Rome. Somebody's going to some hero will rise in any kind of faded destiny way out usually out of nothing and they have special powers special abilities. They are spat on tortured hurt their families killed. They are persecuted. And ultimately, they do some incredibly self-sacrificial thing. And the world is saved. And the last scene is people sitting around going God, he was less to man. He was a great, man. It's always a man. And it's always a man patriarch. As a matter of fact, there's a biblical epic with a woman Mary Magdalene is coming. Yes. Really Rooney Montinaro plays. It wasn't there. Already one of those that like, Mario bones company. Did didn't he do? Oh, I thought he didn't own it at art. Maybe that we're talking to the same. No. No. No. Yes. I saw trailer. Joaquin Phoenix is Jesus. Oh, yeah. So I'm down that is an interesting Jesus. Yeah. So I guess that's the question is is this hype of movie really about the setting or is it 'bout specifically that sort of Jesus against Rome kind of thing because even Braveheart you could look as Jesus against Rome just directly yet. And so, yeah, it's the same concept. No, pension, which what degree do they need to be big screen movies. I are in a weird way to defend time. So time and distance time when you wanna talk epoch scale Lawrence of Arabia is and giant events, but isn't a miniseries a better suited up for this kind of epic storytelling. I think it could have been kind of a fluke that the only thing we had were movies. And so we had to channel the ten commandments at very long movie, very long. I mean, the better horn for him would have been you know, as a series with you. I think that there is these things will generally work better live better series. It's probably where they're generally going to happen. But one of the few segments of audience that still reliable goes to movies are faith-based audience. Yes. And I'm not a faith-based person. I don't even really know what faith is the definition. I've just never felt it before. But regardless they will go to these things. And so you have this other weird segment of movie where every now, and then you look at like on deadline, the top five moves we can number four is wait what the what it's a prayer for for Jimmy. And what what is why they made that last make offend her. No, yes. Yes. Direct calculated aimed, you know, it was it was very much targeted at that. At that group. I mean, nothing. Passionate the Christ caught everybody. Yes, nobody expected and that was kind of the thing. And remember came at a weird time of years. Ask January January was a coal. That's a place where movies went to die on your February. Yes. By the way. Is there any month? Now, we're movies go to die. I don't think there is. Yes. Back to school week. That's the first week. Still somebody's going to do it. But that is actually great idea for just a a movie is week. Let's go see every month. One horrible movie all the junkets dumped. Yes. All right. Let's be wrap up with buddy cop, which was a frequent suggestion money. The money. Movies. Twenty one jump street. The other guys hot fuzz the heat bad boy's been black canine lethal weapon white chicks, Shanghai noon. That idea that you have to miss Nash people who often work together to solve a crime or just to do things. It's a classic paradigm Abbott and Costello we've always seen these to die at go through things. But we're not doing a lot of them now. So what's well? I think the too fast too furious. I give Derek has credit for that end. Let's also say RIP, John singleton, the director two thousand fears, but the fast and furious franchise is kind of a buddy cop writ large, a true with anger cross country is coming out with. Yeah. I think they still do these. I don't know that that's a comedy. Well, but he's got the Central Intelligence is better cop movie. That's right. Yep. That's buddy cop. And there was just one. There was just a movie. Listener moved Regina hall just out. And I think that they keep making the the Sandra Bullock. Oh, the geniality. Oh, that's way back. But then there's the handicap the heat most McCarthy in center. Yeah. I think they still make buddy cop movies. I think we made it to step away from the idea that of cop. So in response to people who are passed it in a professional job doing some kind of polic- thing with guns and a couple of gun with guns. That's pretty much what it is wheels down, and they they become each other's family. And so yes as long as you can make them for the big screen that you have to have a certain production value of certain size to the screen. They are weirdly don't see as many of them in TV shows any more. So I guess right now on the air. We have macgyver. We have magnum PI, which is top shows on TV are definitely more drawn seasonals. Well, because the essence of the buddy cop is that. They don't start his buddies in the end up his buddies. But. You can't end up as anything on a serialized show. You have to keep going. So it kind of has to be a movie. Yes. A lot of this conversation seems to be about how technology has disrupted. What we imagined that plaintiffs have been made there seems to be a really clear shift and just wait from no home-video to home video to home video again. Now, it's a theater now. It's home, it's content. That's where I think the line is boring. It's big screen small screen than the amount. That's available. Now is is and the resources that are being poured into it. I mean, better or worse. However, you wanna chop up the money. There was just way less money. I mean there were five studios and gave you some money in there were three networks, and they give you some money. But now, we've got just billions and billions rushing into make more and more stuff it is transforming things. And, but there aren't that many more screens fact, it'd probably argue there fewer screens in there used to be well does up more time there. There's not much time for people to view thing. So even though we have new people coming in and new distribution outlets. We have new money chasing new things time is a flat circle. Yes. And so we don't have the ability to watch more things swift choice. I'm looking at the two I skipped over some things. Or is this your John or there you want to catch? Let's talk about westerns westerns on this show. We've talked about unforgiven we've talked about three ten Huma. We've talked about sir westerns. But what is it about westerns that you think can be suited towards the big screen because also had Scott Franken talked about his grape defec- show. Yes. Godless, which was sort of exploding normal amend to be a movie we struggled with for years. Right. Trying to get it down to something movie size. And well, he does it with all his movies. But he was all I mean, look, it was movie size is just what he was struggling was to get somebody to pay for it as a movie because essentially people kept saying while the westerns dead, the western side, the westerns, and it which is the World War Two movies. Did you hear about this all the time in the number of times? I've seen a de John. Everything's dead until it's not done. Kirk was a really great example of a dead drowned or that people don't get to see my favorite example is nothing could have been a debtor genre than pirates movies. Yes. Movies. Hiring. Yes, god. But we had like by before they made pirates of the Caribbean. We had cutthroat island which had sank in entire like a head on. Carolco entire company was before careers careers Renny Harlin, and then an and the thought of making a pirates movie was considered almost obscene. Yes. And then I just then there was that. It didn't start a new genre. They weren't like other pirates news coming after that. It was just exact only the one pirate movie everybody. Let him have it. We're still having. We're still not making movies. Well, and and it's so specifically hinges around it kind of storytelling at a character on brand. Yeah. Brand I mean, just build it was also supernatural so that you have natural kind of vibe different stuff, but the western unforgiven represented a shift towards deconstructionist's from which the John Ryan never seemed like every three ten to Yuma was tone darker, western godless was what I miss what I'd love to see. She is Shane the magnificent seven, Shane Silverado the big country, you know, movies that they're more of an adventure and more of a morality tale as opposed to. I west you never going to happen. It's gone. It's over I think there's the the I will fight you. Well, look, I think as a country in the culture, we have lost the ability to go back to the kind of idealized west. We just know too much. I don't think it's idealized. I think you look at the big country. It's not idealized that the country is rough. But a man walks into it who refuses to play by those rules. And I think that if you take westerns there are two kinds. There's they're kind of western new ours where the west just choose you up and spits you out, and there's the place where one can prove oneself. Sure. And that's it's the it's it's this rough and lawless place where somebody, you know, maybe a book would do it a book my Jewett? I mean, I think it comes back to this had almost days with what is that? You know, we used to go to see those movies that didn't have a lot of high stakes in the because that was fine. Like, we did go see a movie. The hell else where you're going to do on a Saturday. And so is wonder that this non deconstructed western that it's just truly a western whether it's ashen and get people to go out to see it on a screen or daughter wanted to temporary. But it's a western told his type robbing the pickup truck western I loved it for what it was able to do. But that was not a breakout smash hit. It was a good performance. But it was not picketed. Okay. Financially nominated for best picture did absolute which is for movies of that size is kind of at your lifeblood to keep it in the theaters for John John Lee, Hancock kind of made a a western in a sense with the door. But again Netflix. I mean, it's and that's where John Li lives. Now, you know like he's made those movies. These can be making now because and here's a guy who made I don't know fourteen billion dollars for Warner Brothers and outcome with blindside which was an today. I don't think they make the blindside for for theatrical. That's that's what's happened. I just I fear that we have lost something. Kind of permanently in the economics of of making these moves in and may have made literally just come down to the cost of marketing because that's everything. Right. I mean, Netflix the way they market their movies. They don't it's just they're not Netflix. They're like, hey, do you wanna watch this Iraq absolute by every billboard in Los Angeles. But that's just for us. Here's the upside to that. Here's the less than dystopia way of looking at okay in the current culture, where the business is suddenly waking up to the fact that they have to diversify. This is something I experienced a lot on the movies that I get called in to come in who fix us on the the business was predicated on a male director makes a five million dollar movie that makes fifty million dollars. Let's give him two hundred million dollars in hopes that makes billion women were not afforded those same undeserved opportunities. Correct, which they are now and we're punished Andhra punished. Exactly if he didn't do the impossible where. As the way to look at Netflix is Netflix could be the farm system. Now, there's many more. Yes. Movies being made for lower budgets, creating an icy. Lots of women directing television now way Marla to the the director lists that are now being handed for the TV shows on working on our fifty fifty and you're actually looking at oh that person is being hired for the quality of their work in an which is very encouraging that is it possible that what we end up with his the, you know, how the Oscars have sort of divided into. Yes, there's Oscar movies in there's money making now could there be there's Netflix movies, and there's feature films and the feature films because of marketing requirements need to be bigger movies that make more money, and the Netflix becomes the farm system that teaches people how to do stuff you can you could make you could live within the next. Flick's bubble and make a fourteen twenty five at a sixty million dollar movie. I think we're there. That's where we are. Yeah. The the real question is is there any kind of not only while questionable. One is their mobility from net. Flicks type of movies or other TV movies to the big ones or due to be even wanna go. Because here's the thing. I think a lot of filmmakers, don't, you know, we were talking to Mari Heller about this Emaar made this incredible movie diary of teenage girls, amazing and people came to her in. They're like, here's this huge superhero movie. You wanna do it? And she was like, I feel like I'm supposed to because you know, we're trying to advance the cause of female directors, and we're trying to get into those big seats. I don't want to I want to do this. There's no point in making it if you look at you look at her in that dilemma knowing that having nothing to do with who's directing the movie how those movies get made scripts not ready. Movie is going in three week -rupt. You've never done anything like the is kind of in charge of the producer whose name is on a bunch of giant movies will not be there. And this is all going to be your fault. It is really want to do her fine. Correct. And I see and again, it takes a special kind of director. Yes. To get into that kind of trouble. And then accept the help when they bring it in right because you are essentially now, it's very embarrassing. You're at a point where you're in way over your head. You were an and not because this is not hubris their promised support. And then it's just not there. And so now, suddenly, you lose control of your movie, and you're being held by it takes a lot having never been through the process to know that it's all gonna be okay. At the in the end when the movie works, you'll still get credit. That's a lot to have faith in her. It's very wounding. Yeah. So I can see somebody looking at that and saying, no. But there's the other side of that is the grass is always greener. You're going to have people making big giant movies? Michael bay made painting gain because he really wanted to make. Yes, Michael bay some part of Michael bay. I don't care any any filmmaker you can name at that level. Some part of them wants to make their little will be about their their podium. Voting make your podium and the same thing. I would imagine is just you know, the the duffer brothers have some big feature. They wanna guess move as they got some big ass. You know, I get of brothers are a great example because stranger things had an effect on popular culture, which was terrific, you know, it because it was a really popular series. But if that had just been a one off movie, I don't think it would have had that effect on popular culture the way that Noah movie that's released on big screens. Could Ashley bend cultural window hendricken? Ben kung have proof of that. Because even though I admired it super eight is stranger things it is. And it just doesn't work as a movie the way stranger things weren't says a series. And that was a case where Abrahams wanted to make the smaller the. Well, what do you say we we wrap this up by heading into one cool thing Craig thing this week do have one cool thing. I hope for you. I will one call him to cool things. Well, it's called one cool thing Chris Klein with the four hundred to one of my cool things in the other cool thing. Okay. They they may neither of them. Maybe they're nested hanger. Who's my one thing this week is a recommendation from a grand crossword nerd trip pain, and it is an app called one clue crossword very clever, so you get a little it looks like vaguely across where it's not like a proper crossword? But there are no clues except for a picture and all the answers or things that are contained in that photo. Come on, you gotta figure out. What goes where in the interlocking genius starts off easy gets harder and harder nearby, by the way to everyone listening. This is the guy who does the New York Times crossword puzzle in two and a half minutes on every Monday. Yes. You are like Mr. crossword Notre pain. Could this dude literally was once the actual champion of all cross? He's amazing. But there's a whole issue and Megan Amraam, David Kwong Johnson, Christina. I like I was a fly on the wall. Watching you guys looking at my time. I can't type that now. I try to I can't if you gave me all the answers. I couldn't fill it in. If you were standing over my shoulder going just type this. I couldn't I couldn't do the Wednesday in two minutes. There was a great one of the great great crossword constructors while times Henry hook. He would make crosswords for the Boston Globe. I think and he was notoriously fast and one guy. Wants raced him with a crossword except the the twist was that the guy had written the crossword it was his cross Hugh loss. That's amazing. So don't you think there is some sort of physical hand? I come on. There's you'd get faster as you got. What say I. Well, I definitely because you're able to track it on the app. Yep. My times of improved, but I've hit a wall. There's no, yeah. I started too late, man. That's the problem. I gotta get any kid Russ steak. Right. Have done it. So I won't go thing. This winter. I had a cold inside my humidifier out humidifier worked. Great. And I found that I was still using the humidifier because I kind of liked the noise it may just like white noise. I'd always. But like, I don't need to be having to stay out my room and this fans spinning so I ended up finding a really good white noise machine. I went onto wire cutter pit their best white noise machine and your what they were right. It's a really good little white noise machine. It's called the electro fan high fidelity, white noise. Sound machine forty six bucks on Amazon? It's a small little hockey puck the mix really did sound. And the thing I learned is that some of these machines. They just have a sample that they're playing a sample. This one. Generated algorithmic late. So always completely random important because I use a use an app. Chat is a is on a loop. Yeah. And what will happen is if you're having a bad night here the loop you start hearing the loop. And now you're now you're apt. That's that's gotta be like delirium yet. No, it's super bad oracle. Yeah. Do you have trouble sleeping, not the way? I used to not the way I used to as I get older. I find it. Actually, I'm looking forward to going to sleep read it and now my with ninety eight to give up. Get to quit on life. And just unplug. I never realized that insomnia was just refusing to buy renter. Not for me in new was always just like to not die. In your sleep. And usually, what are your nested cool things might mystical things are I brought this computer bag. Back. It is a black. It's made by a company called banks conc-, there's one stretchers actually too. But this you can undo the tuck it in and it becomes a look brief like briefcase an usually the two in one kind of thing really turns me off. This is great internal all of its many pockets that had have my favorite one being this rather large pocket at the bottom or or well, it comes the case itself comes with a hard shell c- can store all of your cables. A hero. I took it out. And this is where I put my toiletries when I travel because you have to take all of your pull out that stupid clear bag. Yes. And this bag just please you right through security at great. You know, what it's a great back there. There's a topic by the way, traveling for writers that we're gonna have to cover when it goes God knows enough this. Oh, yes. And I got I got I got travel wired up. Yeah. Much better because I've done all the book tours. And so right, exactly. You just told this from this? So what does this you had a battery? This is not a battery. This is a laptop stand. Oh, because I writing flat on a desk when I travel, it'll screw your wrist it scripts. This is made by a company called. I hope I'm pronouncing it correctly, AVI. Av. I q that's just how one would spell naturally AVI in Q end for people. Not watching it. It looks like that's everyone. It looks like a ruler right while I'm talking. That's not you guys are here. I'm not looking and then and it's like, Oregon compatable unfold. Wow. That's great at okay can feel the weight of it. God I got it's it's like a few sheets of paper. And this. I assume is made to fit say a MAC book pro it'll I've had every laptop from a pro to air on my God on it. You don't even know what's in your bag. That's great. That's great, AVI. Avi. Everybody just go in looking at online because there's no way to describe it where it makes him by sense. I'm buying that. Nice. That's brilliant. Okay. Good. I'm glad you know. Worth the tubes. Spag this computer bag is like a hundred and thirty bucks. It's not that's not a hypocrite. But it's not cheap. But it's not made of a panda skin. Correct way. One would expect Chris MacQuarie to roll. And the thing is like twenty bucks. I like that on a while since I bought I hear artists ten thousand dollars. It's time across it. It's made of conflict medals from. Conflict metal. As we wrap up the show. We should remind people that they should buy t shirts the script runs. Four hundred episode t shirts are available. 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Outed! Heres the Real Russia Scandal. # 982

The Dan Bongino Show

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Outed! Heres the Real Russia Scandal. # 982

"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show. That's not immune to the facts with your host, Dan Bongino. I Dan Bongino, shall we got a road show for you today? I don't skip days when I travel or take vacations, and this is the most important show I've done for you in a very, very long time. It is the capstone project to a work project me Paula Joe two seven nine a lot of other great internet. Researchers out there have done the work. The media is left out in the spy, gay case is finally come together. I have a, a nuclear explosion for you today on this case from working on it all week started about Tuesday in conjunction with my source again. Hat tip to my buddy two seven nine out there. And finally on Friday. We're ready put it out here it is. And I'm gonna lay it out for you and the whole show, I tried to explain this to Paula less than we were out to dinner here in LA. That's, that's this is the hotel room in the background. Russian collusion folks is very real. We can now confirm it finally Russian collusion is real it happened. And it most definitely happened in conjunction with the Obama administration. Stay tuned. We're going to nail these guys to the wall today. I promise you all right today show brought to you by our buddies at Genucell listen. We love Genucell in my family, my mother-in-law uses it. My wife uses it, one of the greatest skin products out there. We absolutely love the product. Here's a here's an Email, we get. Hey, I wish this double chin, which is go away. Well, it will your wishes our command with Genucell is outrageous extended mother's day sale. They're extending the mother's day sale for you. Double chins, sagging. Joe lines and Turkey necks, real problems up until now. Introducing the new Genucel Joe line treatment formulated with MD L technology, Robin s from Lubbock, Texas wrote, I put that Joe line cream on my neck about two or three days ago. It's the best. My neck is looked in over twenty years. 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Zebra up in Maryland where Los Angeles, but he is here. So he's listening and checking the whole thing out. Okay. I want to start with this piece of sound and video. Now I know I played this yesterday, but it is important to set up when I told you keep in mind, the lead of our story today. Dan bar, Gino show today again, I'm taking credit for this. It's just called the Dan Bongino show, but in conjunction with a lot of people collusion is real. Unfortunately, the Democrats accused Donald Trump of collusion when we now. No, we can confirm for you today that the Obama administration and their CIA and FBI entities. And their sources weren't fact, working with or using high level Russians to influence our campaign. Now, you think that's what trae gatty was talking about, when trae Gaddi said, this is it a general lack of curiosity? Or is it something else? I think it's incredibly classified. I mean, I think it is classified at the highest levels. I mean, stopping Michael Horowitz couldn't access it. He's the inspector general who wrote the definitive accounting of the Clinton Email investigation. But even he couldn't access this information is held in the possession of a really small discrete number of people, but Chris rate is on that list. I personally think that information is going to inform. My fellow citizens that the Russian threat was far more than just a threat against the Democrats. It was a threat to our Republic. So for that reason for a unifying. Season. I think the information to extend it can be should be released without jeopardising relationships with allies. So let's be clear tray out. He's saying this information out there, so sensitive, it only a few people have seen it, and it involves Russians and potentially friendly foreign intelligence partners. What could that possibly mean? It's so sensitive that it's going to shake people, it's going to shock people, and that it indicates that there may have been Russians and working with a friendly partners. Let's lay it out for you, folks. Here it is his we found earlier in the week. And I'm actually surprised that more. People didn't see this, and I have to say, I'm a little bit embarrassed for some of the media folks who have missing the biggest story of our time. I and to give a hat tip here, Chuck Ross, I think put a piece out on this last night, too and a daily call. I'm not taking anything away from Chuck. I'm not trying to scoop his work. But just, you know, I never do that. That we need to be I try to be right here hat tip. The Chuck, but we also we will working on this earlier in the week on Tuesday. I was hinting to it on Twitter and Matt Palumbo has a piece up about this today. Here's what I'm talking about. When about to show you are the notes. If you've been following this show this whole week. These are the notes from a State Department officials interview with Christopher Steele, ten days before steals information is used by the FBI to get a FIS. A follow me. Very simple. Christopher Steele is a foreign intelligence agent hired by the Clinton campaign to develop negative information on Trump. The FBI is using steel as a page source it is steals information that is then used in a warrant to spy on the Trump team. It's as simple as that the problem here be still tells the FBI repeatedly. He is only talking to them, keep in mind, he's a paid FBI source to he's being paid by Hillary. A Hillary's team. And he's being paid by the FBI no problem. There folks. Nothing to see there. But he's telling them that he's only talking to the people paying him, fusion GPS, who are being paid by Hillary and the FBI he's not telling them that he's talking to anyone else, but ten days before the FBI swears that is information is true. He gives an interview to Kathleen Cavaliers at the State Department, forgive me for that setup. And I know it's redundant for some of you following this week. But it's important, these are the notes and in the notes hat tip to my buddy. We found this little piece of information that may be of interest to you. Here's the notes notice where we circled it here. Notice the name that's on these notes that circled next to the word sources. Now my buddy who's been helping me through this. We had a tough time deciphering that because Kathleen cavalier writes, like a doctor, I wish she would have thought like one the State Department official air. Now we know the one below because I dressed in earlier in the week in the show, and I'll get to that we're gonna actually wrap the show today with this guy. The one below you'll see sources. They're the one below. Surkov Surkov, who's a Russian deeply connected to bladder may Putin. All we got a Jim on that, at the end of the show. But the name above, we had a bit of a tough time with finally, we figured out what it was. The name is trip. Nick off Vladimir of lack of trip Nick off depending on what I name he uses trim, Nick off was one of Christopher Steele sources. So Christopher Steele, sources or the sources. He's spying spying on himself or gathering information on it really doesn't matter in this case, because he's getting information from them, whether he spying on them, or they're feeding him information. Our two Russians intimately tied. To flat. Amir Putin, ladies and gentlemen. Do you understand the entire time? With the Democrats have been accusing president of Trump President Trump. They are absolutely guilty of themselves. We have been asking for now. Two years in this investigative work, we've been doing on this case me in the in the circle of people that are surrounding me. And I work with we have been asking ourselves for two years. Who were Christopher Steele sources remember in the dossier in the information? He cites a Russian intelligence sources Kremlin connected sources. But he never gives up the names, the two names, he gave up to Catholic, which we just discovered. Now, now, we know why they were hiding these notes, by the way, these notes never became public, Devin, newness, and all of them investigating this case they've been looking for these notes, and they've been hiding them. They only came about recently because of a foia requests from citizens United now. We know why because his Kremlin connected. Sources aren't good guys who turned on the Russian Republic. These aren't good guys at all. These are Putin. Connected people who were feeding disinformation, too Christopher Steele, knowing that it'll be used impact our election. Ladies and gentlemen, now. What's the big picture, what's going on here? Let me explain why Trubnikov and Surkov as deal sources are is so so devastating. Ladies and gentlemen. It's now pretty clear. See, I don't have Joe here to give me the Papa you. Tell me if this makes sense you're Cepal sitting over there off my left shoulder, she's producing from the road here. What we are clearly witnessing. Here is a parallel construction scheme so headline number one, the Russians now, trim, Nick often Cirque off are clearly colluding with people paid by Hillary Clinton. Christopher Steele in the fusion GPS team to get Russian disinformation into our court system to spy on political opponents. In other words, collusion, interferes election. It absolutely happened with the Democrats. There's no doubt about this any longer. No one's disputing these memos are genuine and these notes by Catholic. So that's headline number one collusion, real, except this, the Democrats. Headline number two, what was really going on here? Show you ever heard of parallel construction? Parallel construction. I, I was trying to explain it to my wife last night at dinner as I said, before is it's, it's the wrong thing to do this is not. But let's say in law enforcement, you have a source you're using to investigate a drug case. But your source is not viable. He lies a lot. He's not going to be credible in court. He's made stuff up. He's got a drug problem self so you don't know if he's reading a guy out to get out of a drug debt. But his, his information, he's given you. You're not sure if it's reliable he's doing it because he's a mercenary himself. So what do you do in a parallel construction scheme? By the way, says totally unethical and illegal you then get that information to be somehow transmitted to another source. You knows reliable whatever priests the guy you trust or something like that in the neighborhood, and you tell the court, you got the information from from whatever the priest or the CEO of a company who's, who's a big social guy. Does does a lot of stuff? He's got a great reputation. You tell the court, you got it from the from the CEO, not from the dirt bag drug guy. Meanwhile, all you did was have the drug. I tell the CEO the information does that make sense. Paula she not your head and approve. Okay. That's a parallel construction scheme where you get information from shady source, you intend to use you give it to someone else. And you tell them to parallel at the same time to, to use that information, and we'll pretend they came from you in an effort to bypass the verification process. Ladies and gentlemen, I no longer have any doubts as what I've been setting up for you the whole week, especially since Monday show with the Coen, prog thing. They were doing a parallel construction scheme. Here's what I mean by this. We now have a connection between the spy gate scandal and the dossier scandal in the steel scandal. There we've been we've been trying to connect the fon, how for the spider, this dossier scandal for, for weeks now for months of practically since Chuck Ross broke the story, at the daily caller, what last year Stefan, help it was the spy spying on Trump t- members. We've been looking for a connection between all the players so just that I don't want to confuse anybody. We're still talking about parallel construction, but in order for them, this will make sense in a second to parallel constructive story, and reconstructed with viable source, they had to get it away from the original source, I you may say well in your analogy who's the drug dealer, bad source that they were trying to hide. The russians. Trubnikov and Surkov. You can't make allegations at Trump's colluding with the Russians while you're colluding with Russians to get information about Trump colluded with the Russian. You think? This makes sense. Now, do you see where we're going with this? They were getting the information from Russians the whole time. Now, you may say how's that? Then you just mentioned, how per and spying on the Trump team we have no evidence yet. Oh, we do that. That was connected to steal using his information. So let me set up where I'm going with this, and Email me feedback. On today's show, I wanna see how I did because this is the capstone project who are work. And by the way to focus on my second book, I can't say it enough. We've really were exonerated. That's the title of books available on Amazon. Please pick it up. This is what we've been working on. On one hand, John Brennan and the intelligence agencies essential tells agency and the foreign people and the foreign intelligence agencies at work in with friendly's. On one hand. They're getting this information from haufer. How are knows Travnik off, but they have to clean it. They have to clean the information remember a year and a half ago. I told you about the information laundering scandal, they have to clean the information because they can't walk into a US court and say, a Russian intelligence connected official at the highest levels Trubnikov is giving us information about Donald Trump. So they have to launder it. So what are they do? They go and find another store source. They've worked with before Christopher Steele, who's worked with the FBI on the soccer corruption case and does have verified work history. They have the same information launder. Do Christopher Steele, Steele hides, who the information came from up until he unbelievably in a stupid move tells cavalier about it. They launder it through steel. Who's a useful idiot steel gives them the information and the FBI can walk into court and say, hey, we're using a reliable source for this. This is how we've heard this before in the past. So I understand what I'm saying the Central Intelligence agencies on one path Brennan, and I don't wanna say the CIA because this really was Brennan operation. I shouldn't say that the folks on the ground are no, I believe relatively little, if any involvement in this, I think this is really Brennan marshalling, this operation Brennan wants to set him up. Brennan wants to set him up. So he gets the information and they get the information from Halpern others. They then have to clean it through steel here. Let me go let me get to these screen shots. So I can show you what we're talking about here. Here's a piece in two thousand eighteen by Sarah Carter. This is important. Follow me here. Sour corridor wrote this back in two thousand eighteen. He's talking about a whistle blower. Actor Pentagon, who was quote battling to save his career the Pentagon suspended this guy love, and your Adam Levinger, who when he exposed to an internal review. That's the fon helper, who is an emeritus Cambridge. Professor had received roughly one million taxpayer money to write foreign policy reports for the defense department. So just to be clear, we're setting up here. It's the fon helper is connected to trip. Nikolov to trim, Nick off who steal source. He says, he's the source in the note while Stefan helper is spying for the for Brennan's people and foreign Intel on Trump t- members popadopoulos and Carter page, it goes on. Sarah Carter continue centerpiece, how her along with Richard. Dear love this is the name is gonna come up against this greatest story ever told left the Cambridge intelligence seminar in two thousand sixteen saying they were concerned about Russian influence. How per had told reporters at the time that it was due to unacceptable Russian influence. Let me translate that paragraph. Right. Sarah quarter, saying here that Stefan helper, the spy who is spying on popadopoulos. Remember, they're getting information from Trubnikov. I believe however, and steal. But they got along the rip through steel because they can't say it came from Treblinka. So they have to use a verify source and the can't walk helper into court how out of he's a CIA source. No one wants to think the CIA spying on Trump. Am I confused look at MIT Paula mica fees, naming the FBI can't walks, the fon Halpern CIA source into court and say, hey, we're spying on the Trump team? So they have to pretend they got the information from this innocent. Bystander Christopher Steele, who was verified source in the past you getting that Trump, Nick off is clearly an ally to help her. Go back to that Sarah Carter pieces. Second. Ironically, a documents obtained by Sarah quarter dot com suggests that Howard also invited senior Russian intelligence officials to co teach his course on several occasions. And according to news reports also accepted money to finance the course from. A top Russian oligarch with ties to Putin all while isn't that keep that up isn't this absolutely special. So this intelligence community connected spies, the fon help who spying on the Trump team Carter page and Papua we have no doubt he reaches out to them. He's trying to get information for them. He is spying. He is a spy spying on the tree trees, deep connections to the American intelligence community is also teaching a course where they're taking money to finance the cards from Russian Allah guards connected to Putin o-. Oh, it gets better. Who's teaching the course with? It goes on several course syllabi from twenty twelve to twenty fifteen of tain by this outlet reveal how per hadn't had invited and co taught his course, on intelligence with the former director of Russian intelligence General Vladimir trib Nick off. Isn't that special? So the spy how her who is spying on the Trump team is an associate of professional associate of Ladimir trip Nick off a high ranking Russian Intel person who we now know was also a source for Christopher Steele, who was a source for the FBI. Folks, I know the visuals were l'estrange being in a hotel room here with me. Hold on the Mike. But I want you to think about that for a second. And I want you to think about it in terms of how fundamentally uncured. Are pathetic. Grotesque American media is. Now. Sarah, inner peace in two thousand eighteen couldn't report on the trip Nick offs. Theo connection she reported on the steel, excuse me, the Trubnikov helper, connection because nobody knew because remember the interview Steele gives with cavalier, ten days before the F, B I swears out the war in October of two thousand sixteen to spy on Trump. We didn't have the notes until three weeks ago. It's not Sarah records fault you to know that connect. Nobody knew. Now, you may say, Dan wise. Nobody in the media reporting on this. Well, because they were kind of a joke, I gotta tell you. I'm really disappointed, and people who are I can't believe people aren't picking up the story. We reported on Monday that Christopher Steele, the so-called reliable stores for the FBI. I couldn't even remember his own Coen, prog story. Nobody picked it up. And you may say you sound. But I'm not I'm not bitter show goes crazy. We, we actually sadly, Paula Reid of mine line about this. We make money off other media people. Not reporting on it because why people then come to our show. We did like four five hundred thousand views on Monday. So it's in my personal financial interest for no one in the media to pick up our stories but it's not in my interest in liberty and freedom and interest in the constitutional public and it's not just a talking point. And I'm not trying to be flowery or hyperbolic, we can't do this alone. It's like us Chuck Ross Jeff Carlson, two seven nine. Lee smith. Sarah Carter, John Salomon nobody. I mean, we we, we don't have a following big enough to get this out, where are you people? How are you missing this, how is this not a breaking Chiron every media outlet all over the country right now that one of the heads of Russian intelligence was a source for the FBI your see the notes? Are you missing this? My gosh is this disappointing now. This is what we've been working on with, with our sources all week to it gets better. Folks, we already knew about a lot of this. We just didn't know that steals source was Nick often, how deep this one the fact that Russian Intel was feet of I mean like this people connected to Putin, where feeding intelligence where FBI to spy on Trump is the story of the millennium. Being ignored. To take a quick break and get back to this today show also brought to you by buddies at brickhouse nutrition. They make the finest nutrition supplements on the market. 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You gotta eat your fruits and vegetables, get your fruits and vegetables, sheri- today, brickhouse nutrition dot com slash Dan. Pick up field of greens. It's called field greens, brickhouse. Nutrition dot com slash Dan. You won't regret it. Okay moving on now. I said to you before the break there that we've known about a lot of this for awhile, Sarah, Carter's under understood a long time ago. There was a trip Nick off connection. We just didn't understand how deep again I like the hat tip every. Nobody make sure everybody gets her appropriate you Byron York as well. Who have credited a lot who does amazing work at the Washington Examiner. Also reported a while back on the testimony of Christopher Simpson. These are all twenty eighteen stories. Now, this is important a the keep saying, Christopher forgive me a guy knew from the secret service. Glenn Simpson Glenn Simpson from fusion, GPS, forgive me, you don't have to send me an Email. I know it's Glenn. I get the mole time. This is a Byron York piece may thirtieth of two thousand eighteen headline what Glenn Simpson said about that, quote, human source and tried the Trump campaign. Let me set this up because now all these articles, Sarah card is in Byron York are going to make a world of sense. And now that we know Treblinka off who's the all source. Okay. York was reporting back on twenty eighteen about Glenn Simpson Glenn Simpson. The fusion GPS directors being paid by Hillary to gen up the negative information on Trump steel works for Simpson. We're pretty clear on that, but just to make the connections here. Christopher Steele is working for Simpson. Simpson went up to Capitol Hill gave under oath. Testimony up on Capitol Hill, and he said some things that clearly disturbed some people, and then he caught himself and try to backtrack. Now, I usually don't put this many screen shots from one piece. But this is important because York's piece from two thousand eighteen I'm going to go through five specific screen shots from it now, the whole thing is gonna make sense. Let's go to screen shot number one here, Byron York. She says, although his questioners at the time didn't know what he was talking about fusion GPS chief Glenn Simpson. Raised eyebrows on August twenty seconds, seventeen. When he listened to this, when he told the Senate Judiciary committee, investigators that the FBI had a human source inside the Trump campaign. It's still not clear. What Simpson meant was he referring to the fon, however, by the way, I think that's pretty clear now, now, recognizes, an FBI informant tried to insinuate himself in the Trump campaign or was it someone else congressional investigators still don't know. But in light of the attention paid to helper. It's still worth going over precisely what Simpson said last year. This is important. Now Simpson was talking to investigators about Christopher Steele. That's all these questions, originated, the former British spy retained to produce what became known as the dossier steelhead contacts within the FBI from Prec previous work again, important because of the stabbed his steel, if you're going to launder information through steel, this is important. You want a guy who's worked with you before and Simpson told the interviews that at the height of the campaigns the oh, met with FBI officials in Rome. Okay. So they're talking about steel, and its some point Glenn Simpson slips and says there was a human source spy inside the Trump campaign. Nobody knew at the time they thought it may have been helper. It goes on screen channel. Number two. Then Simpson said the F B I officials had something else by which to evaluate steals material intelligence, the bureau had gotten from a source inside the Trump campaign, this keep that up, please. This is. Critical. Because now what the F B. Said to Simpson was the information you're giving us through steel who's working with Simpson, the, you know, the P tape, the Russian collusion all this stuff the information you're getting. Quote, we've also gotten from a source inside the Trump campaign. Wow. It's corroborated. Look, ladies and gentlemen, parallel construction. They're getting the story from Brennan Central Intelligence Agency assets. But they're getting the same story from Christopher Steele. It's from the same people. The bureau does a. No. This. They're telling Glenn Simpson. Oh, we're getting the same stuff from a source inside the Trump campaign goes on, essentially, what's this is Simpson talking? Essentially, what Steele told me was that they had other intelligence about this matter from an internal Trump campaign source. And my understanding was that they believe Chris talking about steel at this point that they believe Chris's information might be credible because they had other intelligence that indicated this same thing. And one of those pieces of intelligence was a human source from inside the Trump organization, she was that's human source. The fun. How who happens to be working with the exact same Russian Intel guy, who's feeding information to Christopher Steele, ladies and gentlemen. We got played for idiots by the Russians and the stupid, Democrats and hapless leadership at the FBI, and the just grotesque John Brennan fell right into the trap, because they hated Trump so much. You understand that last quote, right? You understand how important that was right? The FBI is telling steel as he's giving them the information he's getting from. Trubnikov. He's they're telling steel. Oh, we have the same information from a human source. It's the guy working with trip Nick off, how per he worked with them at the Cambridge intelligence seminar. They worked together. They didn't figure this out. They didn't want to figure it out. They go on at the end just put up that second one again fume. The next question was obvious, and now they're asking Simpson. And did you have any understanding then or now as to who that human intelligence source may have been from inside the Trump campaign at this point? Simpson's lawyer next one steps in clearly freaked out Simpson's lawyers, Josh Levy steps in and says he's going to decline to answer that question. On what basis they say Simpson speaks up security? He says this is classic go to the next one. So Simpson now realizes they're going to ask him. Hugh this, who this human intelligence source inside the campaign is. Simpson, clearly knows probably however. Simpson. Then response, I don't want to answer the question for security reasons. And here's this other answer. He goes into detail here. We had been really careful. I was really careful to this process, not to ask a lot of specific sourcing questions. Simpson explain this just epic. There are some things I know that I just don't feel comfortable sharing, because obviously, it's been in the news. A lot lately that people who get in the way of the Russians tend to get hurt. The Simpson know that haufer is working with Nick off. Was Glenn Simpson, so eager, Glenn Simpson, author of the two thousand seven Wall Street Journal piece that reads suspiciously, like the dossier was Glenn Simpson. The movie script author will, we've been calling the movie script for those new listeners, Glenn Simpson wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal in two thousand and seven two thousand seven two thousand seventeen that reads almost exactly like the dossier, the same players appear Manafort, there, a pasta their pastas ended the dossier, but the same players the same allegations of influence in the United States with Simpson's so eager to believe his own movie, script was he so. Inspector gadget that he'd figured this whole thing. Ao. That he disregarded, any journalistic moral ethical standards whatsoever. And ignored the fact that the source and tried the Trump campaign, most likely helper was working with Russians who were feeding him a noticeable disinflation lies. And now the reason he's worried about outing the source is because he's worried that the Russians are going to come after him for safety reasons. Folks, this Byron York piece, by the way, all all of these pieces, including Matt Palumbo piece, which we've been putting together the he's my researcher at Bongino dot com. We work together. All of these pieces are at the show notes today and I've said it a lot. But if you're not reading the show notes today, you're not going to get this stuff anywhere else I put together five or six articles made a little like compendium here of Carter pieces. Your piece they're older pieces and a match piece and a couple of new ones from today. If you read these five or six pieces in conjunction with the show, this entire case makes sense. Remember, let's go back to the beginning. So it all makes sense. We don't lose each other, what we are talking about now is a confirm Russian collusion, conspiracy by people within the Obama administration intelligence sources Brennan's people. The FBI paid sources all colluding to get information from one common theme. Russian Intel connected, people who were feeding a bunch of garbage collusion's real. And they obviously were laundering, this information from Russian Intel people through a source they'd used in the past to make it seem like it had been corroborated. When, in fact, it was the same information I have no doubt anymore that it was how passing this information from Trubnikov and informing on them, and then they get the same trip Nick off information from steel in the FBI thinks this is legitimate. Byron York goes on one last part of this. I Simpson said the FBI informant volunteered for the job, a person who decided to pick up the phone and joined the investigation. So keep in mind if he's talking about how her and I've heard this from other sources on the inside that how Pearl let's say is the best way to frame. This may have been freelancing remember, Devin Nunes, who's been investigating this from the start has been clear that no official television intelligence was used to start this case. That's critical keep this up from the this is the last piece from York. This is from York's piece the less Nipah from York's piece. They slide all make sense if you put what put two and two together what I'm talking about here. Newness has repeatedly stated that no official intelligence was used to start this investigation. In other words was this some kind of black ops, folks? I don't mean that some deep light Terminator two kind of way. Let sound also fisted. I just don't know any other way to describe it. If Stefan helper is gathering information from Trubnikov, and Russians, and Surkov and steals gathering information from trib, Nick often Surkov Russians Intel connected Russians connected like this to Putin. But none of it is formalized. There's no CI numbers there's no case open in the CIA. There's no formal cooperation. It's all being done through back black channels than what other way to describe it again. I'm not trying to sound dramatic call it what you want a black op and unregistered op. You know, I don't care a back of the envelope. It doesn't matter to me. I'm not trying to sound dramatic. I'm just trying to tell you when you read that this snippet again, from York. Now, this makes sense in conjunction with the Intel, I've received from my sources, which are very good on this. That haufer was freelancing. Stefan, however, was doing for some had a bug against Trump. Now it makes sense. Simpson says the FBI informant volunteered for the job. He picked up the phone and joined the investigation non official channels. Keep it all quiet. Don't put anything on paper, second, since it did not say, whether he knew who the FBI informant was Simpson's said, the FBI told the that such informed exist in suggested that he Simpson at some point learn the identity, there are some things I know I just don't feel comfortable sharing Simpson said, but Simpson did not say definitively in the Senate questions did not press finally Simpson claim that the informant supplied information that corroborated the Steele dossier. And several months later, then FBI director James Komi called the dossier unverified. Now. It gets better parallel construction. Remember same story. Same Russians hide the Russians get the Russian information to help her. But then pretend it came from Steele, swear to it and make it all look at not only that will pretend they came from steel, and then we'll say it's corroborated by the information, we got to help her even though they got it from the same Russians. Now here's what makes us even more suspicious here. Turn it into my notes today. Show at Amman a little hotel pet this we've been all night, working on this. I literally folks, are we say, literally literally, the most overused, where the English language I literally lost two hours sleep over this because I've been so anxious about getting this out to you since Wednesday. But I wanted to make sure we nailed this story to the wall. So again, we gotta get scooped a little bit by Chuck Ross last night. But that's cool. I, I mean at Chuck's fantastic. Fantastic reporter who broke the helper story deserves all the kudos in the world item, not trying to be like, we got it first, but we have been working on it since earlier in the week, thanks to a tip from trusted source, you know who you are who was just wonderful. But moving on from this now, so keep in mind, we're talking about, again, we're talking about two separate pass forking paths for the exact same information at all goes back to Russians Trubnikov and Surkov these are Russian disinformation experts who are feed. Information through multiple channels knowing political slobs in the United States are going to suck. This fake information up the spy on Trump, which the right you may say, well, why would the Russians do that because they like to mess with us and stupid people fall for it? You don't believe me. Wait. Till wait till I in the shower and this show. Don't go anywhere. Wait these in the show, I will tie it all up for you. But it case you think well, Dan, you know what real evidence do we have that? How was getting information from Trubnikov how spy on the Trump team is potentially feeding it to his Intel sources? Folks, how per was was teaching a course which Rybnik off. They were teaching together at the Cambridge intelligence seminar. How is the key to this whole thing? Now, there's a piece from the telegraph 'cause you may okay, you still have so that they know each other. We don't even though it says Trump Nick off was a source for how do we know? He was a source for helper. From the telegraph, this is fascinating. Again. Another older piece. It's all in the show notes today. So you can read it Cambridge spy seminars hit by whispers of Russian links as three intelligence experts resign. Okay. Hold out time out. How for teachers he's a spy teaches at the Cambridge intelligence seminar. The Cambridge intelligence shaman are conveniently in December of two thousand sixteen which is after the election, I believe, November December. Yes. That is in fact, correct, December twenty six days after the election. So they now find Trump went after Trump wins suspiciously. Three people resigned from this Cambridge intelligence seminar saying, hey, the Russians have infiltrated we gotta go, who's one of those three people. Let's go to the peace, quote from the piece this time, it's not aspiring at the center of injury, but rather suggestions. That Kremlin operatives may be targeting a seminar program. This is the telegraph, by the way, folks, a left leaning alad, the concerns emerged after a number of experts unexpectedly resigned from their positions at the Cambridge intelligence seminar and academic form on the western spy world, the men former m I six chief Richard, dear love, Stefan, helper. A former policy advisor at the White House and historian Pete. For Marlin are sent to have left amid concerns that the Kremlin is behind the newly established intelligence journal which provides funding to the group. Mr. helper told earlier reports that his decision to step down was due to quote unacceptable Russian influence on the group. Oh. So just to be clear for the liberals listening and the media people because you both display an equal degree of idiocy and anti-american garbage lately, trying to cover up the biggest scandal in American history. So we spy spying on the Trump team ever have valid. They thought of spy listened shut your mouth. You guys are just morons. So to the moron class, I'm talking to people with a brain now. So the spies, the fun house, but was a spy, which is Bill Barr says an acceptable English word to describe what, what, what help or did helper is a Central Intelligence Agency connected spy with decades of doing this is not new. He teaches a class with a Russian who's become a source for disinflation used by the FBI to spy on the Trump team. He teaches a class with him after Trump gets elected. And how at that point is clearly a wrapping up as spying operation on the Trump team. Because now he finds out he's president, by the way tries to get a job with the Trump team later probably to cover his own tracks, how. Her then quits the intelligence seminar. He's teaching with the Russian who's become a source for this information citing unacceptable Russian influence. Don't worry media people don't look into this at all. There is no connection there whatsoever. Don't you worry? You all go to bed with your s'mores than your mala Mars have your milk and cookies at night, and continue with covering, how orange man bad all the time, because you're really a disgrace the humankind, you had one job to report. The facts you're blowing the biggest story of our time. And I'm telling you how I don't understand how other media outlets are reporting on this either you have a note by Catholic indicating that a Russian Intel guy, Putin's right, hand guy is been reporting on the Trump team and was a primary source used for the dossier and was a source for help or two based on helpers own statements on acceptable Russian influence. I gotta get out of here from who trim Nick off. That's the guy you were working with. And you're not interested in the story. Are you this stupid? Even worse, because you may say, well, Dan, how do we know this was all being coordinated and these guys all knew each other? Because you may logically be saying 'cause I try to give you point counterpoint and think through this logically and do the homework that the media people won't you may be saying yourself. Okay. So based on the facts, you laid out how for teachers with Trubnikov helpers and intelligence guy, how per, no, obviously, no trip, Nick offenses, accepted money from the Russian government for his scores after Trump's elected, he quits, and himself, he cites unacceptable Russian influence from the same guy who's the source. I think it's reasonable to infer the evidence is pretty overwhelming at this point that helper was getting inflammation, we're getting played by trip Nick off. And feeding information to his intelligence connections. But you may say you still haven't made the connection between how parents steel in other words, if they're, laundering, the information, policy me here because Joe's not here to be the ombudsman. If this doesn't make sense. You may say to yourself. Okay. So they're getting the information from trim, Nick off. And how passing it to US Intel who are using it to hammer the Trump team. And then the FBI is getting it from Steele. But where's the connection here between how her and steal, ladies and gentlemen, when I think makes this? Which I think makes this even worse 'cause still doesn't have to know what's helper that helper as the information to. But if he does it makes the case where she may be saying why in a funk confusing. You like is a little confusing. Glenn Simpson in that Byron York piece is insisting to congress that the information steel has been corroborated by another source. If steel doesn't know, Trubnikov is feeding the same information from helper. He may not be lying. The Omay think is information is true, even though he's getting it from trip Nick off, because he doesn't know trim, Nick off, gave it to help her, and they're hearing there's a spy, and he's got this information. That's your exact same information is that you get that, that makes sense. Still may legitimately believed. That is information is correct. Because the FBI is telling him it's correct now. Ladies and gentlemen, OPEL leave that for one minute. There's a connection between steel and how per which says to me that steel as he's giving this information to the FBI that getting from Dink off or about Trump, Nick off. It doesn't matter. They're clearly know that they're being watched. And they're giving information steal you. Get what I'm saying? It doesn't matter of nickel. If Steele was even spying on Trubnikov. It doesn't matter from Nick off knows steel is listening to what he's saying and he's feeding them information. It's like he's listening over my shoulder pretend these not there and let's talk, let's talk about some stuff, so hotel the other guy. There's a connection here. What's the connection? The connection is Richard. Dear love. Now, again, had tipped the Chuck Ross who had the story last night, too, but he had an older piece, which, again is in the show notes today as you read this, this, all makes sense. So let me be clear, what we're trying to establish that's where wind a little bit. I Russians definitely colluded with the Democrats. We now know that we now know that second that there was a Russian source used for Christopher Steele. They tried to hide steel slips talks about it in this in this interview with Kathleen Catholic, but steel seems to insist that the information's corroborated because there's other information out there that sounds, the same, but he doesn't tell people that he probably knows the information came from how, how does he know how for he knows them from your love? Here's an older Chuck Ross peace, and they'll start to put this together. It'll make a little bit more sense. Now. So Chuck Ross piece from the daily caller. Here's a this is a good one being the show notes today. Let me go to the first screen shot from it. Of like shooting, title, a piece, former British spy, masters flown under the radar and Russia probe. Despite links to key figures, Chuck Ross from last year. I, I part of the peace, dear love Richard, dear love who let's be clear. Absolutely. No is how they teach us class together. Do you love? Also has vouched for Christopher Steele couple snippets from the peace. Do you love who served as chief of I six from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand four had contact with the twenty sixteen campaign with dossier author, Christopher Steele? Oh he did. So Richard, dear love who teaches the class with how her with the Russian Trubnikov. Could dear love teaches the class, they both resigned because they feel like they've been unduly influenced by the Russians do you love? No steel to. He's also a close colleague of Stefan, or the alleged FBI informant who established contact with several Trump campaign advisors. Do you love and a helper? Attended a camp, Cambridge political event in July two thousand sixteen where how per had is first contact with campaign advisor Carter page who just magically happens to appear in the dossier. So the former British spy master who heads a key, British intelligence agency. Now, by the way, it is. Donald Trump's statement. Hey, we're going to delay on redacting the report because, you know, the United Kingdom and others, some friendlies are going to be upset about it. Ladies and gentlemen, the United Kingdom intelligence people working with the Russians to. I have no doubt. I will be banned from the United Kingdom forever after the show. But that's okay. Nothing against the people over there. I love them. But gosh, people in your government with access to power really screwed up. So do you love also at an event with Carter page? Carter page, who is the focus of steals dossier. Do you love? No steel. He knows how do you love unquestionably in my mind? Now, no, some of this information is coming from Trubnikov the guy teach the class with a Cambridge. And he knows the pret-. He knows steel. From the piece. The retired British spy master also hosted along with Halpern event at Cambridge in two thousand fourteen attended by Michael Flynn, who served at the time is the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. What did I tell you folks in a show over a year ago? This is not about Trump. You may be saying now you're really confusing me. No, I'm not. I have insisted to regular listener since episode six twenty eight on which started this whole thing where the source I contacted us. So we got started. I've insisted to you that what the what they are covering up here, the media and their democrat Powell's. What they are covering up is a massive spying scandal. That was not only about Donald Trump. What does that have to do with this snippet? We just put up, ladies and gentlemen. They targeted Mike Flynn and twenty fourteen. Donald Trump wasn't even running for president. The Obama administration was using black op type spy scandal, spy people in spy connections, to gather information, and sabotage the careers of their political opponents. Donald Trump was just an addition to their resume of people they tried to take out. The piece goes on. Dear love. And how her again they teach the course with the Russian Trubnikov do you love and are reported to have expressed concerns about Flynn's contacts at the event, which fit Lana Lakoba a Russian born student at Cambridge. Those warnings were somehow shared with American intelligence, so dear Levin, helper, ratting on Mike Flynn for talking to a Russian woman, and event. Meanwhile, there's no indications whatsoever that any of this stuff was on toward anything who were they sharing this with, why would they be sharing it on Flynn because Flynn was an enemy of the Obama administration. Flynn hated the Iran deal. He called out the Iran deal from the start, it was the Obama administration's capstone project for their foreign policy, agenda and Flint, hated it. And he was the head of the DIA. So instead of firing him, they decided they were going to paint him where they, what Russian collusion scandal. Oh, sound familiar like the same scandal that we're going to chart, Trump with in two thousand sixteen like the same scandal. They tried to tar John McCain with when he ran against Hillary, and Obama. Oh, you don't believe me, we've already put that article up thousand times from circa. Where the where we're Democrats tried to pin on John McCain, the exact same Russian collusion scandal, ladies and gentlemen. This was the oldest trick in the book for police, they'd hack Democrats and their media sycophantic boot-licking, but kissing hack buddies. Find your political enemies. Mike Flynn, John McCain, whoever they may be tar them with these guys are cloning with the Russians and get your hack intelligence friends overseas in the UK and elsewhere to confirm it. Oh, it gets better. The next portion of the Chuck Ross piece. Again, this'll be in the show notes. Please check it out in full as with the Iraq dossier, another dossier, by the way, that may have misled some people do you loves reputation has also been used to bolster steals report. So still who's working with helper? They're getting information. How per again from trip Nick off? Do you love knows them both the former head of the British by NC? Dear love also on the parallel construction path is telling people, hey, if you get this information from steel chew, he's super reliable. Check out this guy. Do you loves reputation has also been used to bolster steals report, which alleges a quote well-developed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government story, it's been told a thousand times before? Any December thirteen twenty seventeen interview dear love declined to confirm that he knew steel, but said that the dossier, quote, had some credibility. Wow. Is it that badge? Ical goes on in a glowing profile of steel in the New Yorker on March twelfth of twenty eighteen do you love describes steals reputation as quote superb? He told the Washington Post that Steele was the go to person on Russia. In the commercial sector. They never thought we'd figure this out. Dear love is the connection. The former British spy master. He's buddies with helper. The spy spying on the Trump team. Who's also feeding information from Travnik off and others. They leave citing undue Russian influence, but then to clean the information to make sure no court in the United States knows that Russians Russians if it worked for Vladimir Putin are providing disinformation to our court system to spy to mislead, our judges, the FBI, then gets the information through steel who deal of says don't chew worry. This sky is super reliable. He's just peachy this guy's the go-to guy on Russia pay. No attention to helper. We can't have the courts knowing that a CIA spies by on a political campaign. We can't have any of that. One last snippet from the. Right there. All right. So making sure the text of the technical sports, okay? Technical sue. You're the technical support. So we have a team here whereas this be Apolo last piece from helper. She's me from Chuck Ross. Dear love also attended the same event at Cambridge University where how or made first contact with Carter page. Wow. Isn't that magical? That's insane. Do you love also at the event where Carter page Carter page the central figure of the Steele dossier? The guy who's allegedly marshalling this whole Trump collusion effort with the Russians. Wait. I thought that information came from Steele, but dear love is also at an event where how per made contact with Carter page, ladies and gentlemen, where exactly this Carter page info, come from did the Carter page info happen to come from a spice von helper, working with our intelligence agencies to set up Trump. And everybody's telling us it came from Steele, the whole time. The daily caller news foundation page told the daily caller news foundation did not recall speaking with your love, who gave a speech at the symposium, but page did strike up a relationship with helper. And remained in contact with him through September of two thousand seventeen the same month. The FBI surveillance warrant expired against the trumpet. Folks, they all knew each other the Brit, new the Russian who knew the spy master who knew the CIA spy, and they all conspired to clean to launder information, coming from Russian intelligence that got the United States government to spy on Donald Trump. Now I've got one more connection for you. That's going to blow your mind. I gotta take one more break. And then I'm going to wrap up the show by showing you exactly how badly these anti-trump lunatics got willingly, played by the Russians who PW any day own them. And you know what? I mean, if you're on tight didn't spell that wrong go on accident own them. I finally today's show brought to you by buddies at helixsleep pay helixsleep. I have I have two of these mattresses now which is really sweet. I have one that they sent for my daughter, which is great. And then we got another one for me. And my wife, which is just fantastic. You'll never get a better night's sleep for the money anyway. We'd love helixsleep. 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I use and can personally attest to the quality helixsleep dot com slash Dan. Check them out, really appreciate that. Okay. So where we left off there was, ladies and gentlemen. They all know each other. So there's very little plausible deniability here. These people are all claiming to be elite spies. Christopher Steele, was a former British spy who dear loves says, is the go-to guy who's quote superb who such an excellent source of information, dear loves friends, but, how are they teach a course together, how burn, dear love, clearly declared your love has a relationship with steel steals? Get any information from this rush in his obviously got tight personal relationship with. However, who then how are leaves after the election and says, hey, something's going on here at Russian influence. They all knew each other. The reason I bring this up is not not the paint some kind of ven diagram, little Paul and I are going to do one for next week. At some point where we just diagram on it just roadshows are a little more difficult with the technical capabilities. I tell you this, because it's hard to believe on one hand that the FBI is walking into court saying Christopher Steele, is this elite spy in this reliable source who's done tremendous work and cannot possibly be fooled. By the Russians there for we believe this is true and yet on the other hand steel knows dear love and knows how Renault's these people and is entirely unaware, that they're getting the same information from the same Russian. You see where I'm going with that? Simpson's telling who steel works within. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we knew this information was corroborated because we heard it from the B I another source. And you didn't know the other source was the guy, dear love and helper. That, you know that you've been palling around with. You can't have it both ways either your Spy Who Couldn't figure that out who really sucks or you're a great spy who knew. And you knew you were knowingly propagating this information, I believe the ladder. Now, let's make one final connection is an interesting American thinker piece from all while ago these again, a bunch of gems that we've spent all night working on yesterday. I woke up this morning, just so eagerly. I wish we would have done this show earlier. But the technical problems kind of kept us from doing it. August twelve twenty eighteen by Clarice Feldman exposed the deep state authorship and publication of the dossier. There's an interesting part of this article is that American thinker about three quarters of the way down. Here's a snippet from this because we still haven't made a connection, exactly. Between how poor infusion? We know how Bruno's dear love, we know dear love. No steel. But again, we're, you're telling us these spies of corroborate information, assuming from different sources, I'm telling you, they all know each other, and they probably know it's from the same source, and they're just lying. From the peace steel work with the FBI as early as twenty ten on the fief investigation in two thousand sixteen he met the FBI several times including to me meetings with agent. Mike gator a leading F B I Russian corruption expert in Rome, and in London to discuss this dossier. So again, we know steel knows the FBI, we know steals, a verified source with the FBI he's worked with them before again. That's why they launder the information through him the piece goes on FBI agent gain a coordinated and got clearance for these meetings from Victorian Newlyn that the State Department keep that up. Why is this important? Ladies and gentlemen. The FBI gets permission to meet with steel. From Victorian Ousland, who works for Victoria Nulan at the State Department. Oh Kathleen Kavulich the lady who wrote the note, we started this whole thing with. She works for Victoria Neuland who's also said on the record before. Oh, yeah. We've received multiple dossiers from steel. Wow. You have kind of sounds like a black ops intelligence channel to meet doesn't it? Piece goes on. Keta was the FBI case officer in Europe and controlled Orbis, Stefan, helper and the hackley dossier assets. So Gators working with all of these people who are associated, reformer UK intelligence. Baumgartner Nellie, our Bruce or David Kramer. All Harvard alumni. All right. Nobody jail. They went to college yet doesn't mean too much. But this part is an absolute gem. Nelly. Or who's working for Glenn Simpson and fusion GPS right and her husband is in the department of Justice. All I'm trying to get at now ladies gentlemen. They all know each other Nellie, or new Stefan, how percents at least two thousand Nellie, or also worked in the mitre corporation with how her son Merrin helper for six years from two thousand to two thousand eight. So now Nellie your who's working for fusion, GPS, which is being paid to put together the dossier and his paying steel. Now, you're telling me that Nellie or husband works in the department of Justice, and you're feeding him information about Donald Trump, that you're saying that, that information came from Steele, but in fact, that information may have been coming from Stephan hopper the entire time who's add events with Carter page, and as dealing is unquestionably has a relationship with the Russian that Steele saying is his source. Now, we find out Nellie or nose, however, and worked with his son. Ladies and gentlemen. Do you think it's, it's reasonable to ask if these people all knew each other? You think it's just reasonable to say that if they knew each other, and they had professional relationships that they may have been aware, the whole time, it was all the same information all source back to these Russians. And that they just didn't want you to know that because they wanted it to seem like it was coming in from multiple sources parallel construction. Same information give it to ten different people. It's all from the same source sprouting, sprouting, sprouting, like a tree. It's all the same route just different branches. Therefore, you see this big tree new awhile that big tree. It kind of looks like a mosaic of information. It even looks like a corpus of intelligence, it may look like a series of articulate facts. Joe was here. He would get the joke. When Jim Komi, John Brennan and Andy McCabe respectively. Were asked about, hey, was it just the Steele dossier that you use? They said, no, no, no. It wasn't just the steel dossier. It was actually a mosaic is Jim Qomi said of information, a corpus of intelligence and eighty McCabe said it was a series of articulate facts, ladies and gentlemen. It was the same set of BS from the same Russians. Blow this up right now for you. So if we go back to the note in the beginning, we started this off with you'll see that Christopher Steele, whose information's us to spy on the Trump team. It's clearly coming from two sources Trubnikov connected, deeply, by the way to Ladimir Putin and a guy named Surkov. Surkov wrote this fascinating piece. It was picked up by Newsweek. Wait till you read this. This is the root of this entire case. Ladies, gentlemen, Surkov. Trim Nikolov a bunch of Ladimir Putin connected, Russians. Let me take a little snippet from this piece Surkov wrote that Newsweek picked up. Here's the headline of the piece written on February twelfth of twenty nine thousand nine by Christina Maza Vladimir Putin's advisor tells Americans Russia interferes in your brains. We change your conscience. Here's a quote from circus piece. Listen very very closely. The illusion of choice is the most important allusion, the main trick of western democracy, especially the rejection of this allusion in favor of the reality, that everything is predestined Bill allow society to reflect I on our vision of democratic development. Surkov Surkov wrote foreign politicians talk about Russia's interference in elections and referendums around the world. In fact, the matter is even more serious Russia interferes in your brains. We change your conscience, and there's nothing you can do about it. I'll see all on Monday, just heard the Dan Bongino show, you can also get Dan's podcasts on, I tunes or soundcloud and follow Dan on Twitter, twenty four seven at dbongino.

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