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"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

Mr Barton Maths Podcast

06:42 min | 7 months ago

"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

"I do recommend you get in touch with myself. as also packed on the wall marking. He's very keen on his message station background. I mentioned earlier. So yeah. I encourage Any any teachers interested have gone For my second. One i mentioned. I made a micro well based on substitution patience. Now that's the way. I was in a rather okay. I haven't got a copy of its anymore. But i do have something a bit strip down but some people might find interesting so i've made a tiny url for this because it's funny website night by a computer scientists for me but it's tiny your l. Dot com forward slash puzzles s. Um some puzzles yeah so that you can have a look at this thing that I was meeting west. Students can have a guy with using our excitements substantiation and then my final one is other an assessment system. I don't know if you've come across it. It's really my used in higher education. My school on what it stands for. Now the brilliant. Chris sanguine University of edinburgh. Good friends but also trade to 'cause he was formally at the friend went bro. Anyone could cut in fredericksburg. Yeah it's it's a very nice system. I mean universities generally when we have our online tests were moving from multiple choice questions. Three to You input your mass notation and tex. Then this is a big problem with assessing masks but How do you mto notation. I was think it's an irony that the all subjects lend themselves to digital imports essays and e portfolios and suntan the stem subjects the stem subjects very much and by so stock as an attempt to address sunday so wonderful system because you taught your terrain and then back to an algebra algebra system that analyzes their sponsor give students feedback. You can personally. I stayed back. You can watch for common misconceptions and you can get sued So positively back. So they don't make mistakes. Just basement simple slips so that is often assessment of all spat hyphen assessment. Or it's a bit of a pain to us if you are in school because it assumes you have the kind of vle back we have in universities however we also ha- you know if you get in touch Three the website there are service. People can access to to use it so great. It's something i. I work on projects at a very different. Tiny thing is almost the opposite of passage. All all about what's amazing assessment procedures Doing very well in my opinion is obsolete fascinating. Three excellent big threes and just the next one conversation that i really enjoyed that and i learned loads there as i say. It's is the big question for me. I was sold on the dream of comparative judgement but helped me stem that more macho in fact but also i now can see how it can be used both to assess conceptual understanding and also possibly more interesting to help students understand things more by showing them these good answers and not circumstances and so on. So yeah i really enjoy that so we in thanks so much for joining us. Thank you very much. So they haven't my conversation with pundits tastic in jones. I really hope you enjoyed that. One in gaza much out of as i did. I know i'll say this all the time. I absolutely looked speaking to speaking until we in these guests on this research at kenner. Fantastic that the so passionate about. Mary of entrusts them out. Suli loft that when somebody's so interested in something and it really comes through. I think in the conversation. I also absolutely love this conversation. Because it's been something i've been meaning to get to the bottom off and dig a bit deeper into for some time now so i really listeners of the show longtime listeners will remember when daisy christodoulou. I came on the show many years ago and we spoke about comparative judgement. Cassese it recently. At that time joined no more marking in fact it was almost a bit of a world exclusive for the podcast that were when she announced on there and i absolutely loved the idea of comparative judgement which have caused marking is heavily involved them but could only ever see it through. Namath lands in particular for its use in. I'm assessing students ability to write essays or longer full amounts and so on and so forth. And i've been on a few. Comparative judgement workshops run by daisy over the years and other absolutely fantastic for that kind of thing but i could never see supplication fifth for mathematics and i spoke. Today's podcast many many years ago about this and as suggested some ideas. But but i couldn't quite see i thought okay you in a bit of a kind of a niche way of using every now and again bit a bit of variety but in terms of a regular tool of mathematics assessments and within departments. I can't quite see. See it working but now having spoken to win. I'm so excited about this. I think there's real potential for this. You know so. I'm recording this podcast in july. Twenty twenty one at the end of it absolutely well towards the end on absolutely shocking an academic year. And i know everybody's absolutely knock on the last thing prompts. You want to start thinking about the new academic year in september september will be before we know it. So i forget you. If if you don't want to think about september just stop me now. Just just forget this and perhaps return to it. When now when next year's a bit more in the forefront of your mind. But i'm thinking that that september will be fantastic. Time just to start prepped. Bringing this into into your your your individual teacher routine or departmental routine because as inside the the tool i'll know marking is completely free so there's no cost associated to this in terms of money. I also don't think there's much of a time cost to this now. I'm speaking of somebody's quite slow to pick up on many things. Get around and i managed to get this free tool that simple. And if you if you manage to get your shit. There's no doubt you will. Do you can do this on behalf of all the teachers in in your department you.

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"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

Mr Barton Maths Podcast

09:01 min | 7 months ago

"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

"Judging and you need to Honestly and sincerely in various ways that you can check that they may be three or four times With from questions. And then yeah you feel what you can see developing over time. The the riches. I'm having a better sense of what it means to communicate mathematics so typical answers. They'll come up with the things you'd want them to come up with. The was example ones if a concrete example or use multiple representations a graph as well as equation or my connections between different areas of masks. Increase the things that we discussed the not mass imports in united states as well as faculties raid. And all these things. So by the end what i do with. I prepare about Six questions typically. And i say on the testee. I'm gonna give you two of these questions that you don't know which to so what you want to do is have a perfect so all six that you can come in then bang out in the fifteen minutes fifteen minutes question tests and by this time. I've given them free. Write us my walking for this university. Systems developed in at the comparison judgment within Within university systems that they have free range of they so they can try again. Do as much. And it's really nice. Because when we have the revision sessions you'll see two or three of them around a computer making judgments and making nights and discussing developing things so that that's what well from the That i i. I use him electric especially over the last year. I mean i would. Normally my lectures have sort of higher education. Equipments at malcolm swung cards and activities. And all around doing. It says how that i've made more use of comparative judgement to get them talking and sharing work. Which in quite is now. What a concept you. Oh yeah and also research. There's his evidence that he's learning. But i am stopping to work on that. So i've got to grant applications in at the moment to enable me to do to do. They say we'll be a higher education neville to start with. But d you actually benefit st the these any of conceptual payoff from engaging these things student dato fences electric is quite strong. Yes but as we move from research there's no waste translates into into hard evidence And there's always been a bit of a paradox in how about researching this because if i'm arguing. Comparative judgement takes us to areas. We can't reach traditional methods. If i do some intervention where. I have mics mental group. Participants control group. I do some of the toxic reading maps and then i test them at the end door. Give them a comparative tests. You know test looks like experimental grade or do i give them a traditional caswell. Replay there on thursday. It's taken me quite a while to think through and come together with a research song bob. Hope i hope able to to. To to to they submitting some publications Demonstrating the competitive with conceptual learning their own. Not turn out. That's fascinating and again. I can only speak from working with younger students. But i i've always found younger. Students find it really useful to be shown example. The good answer an answer. That's not quite as good into discuss the reasons why i've only ever been able to do that. Just kind of one or two examples in whole class system just a front on the board. But the ability to half kitsap. They're making several judgments themselves. Twenty judgments judgments and then having that discussion. I just think yes useful. Far more useful than going through a mock chemo. That i call even understand myself latte alone. Yeah yeah it's it's. It's one of those things where you know you're cheating. But even if i found the was but i use strom learning advantages such an engaging timothy you got the students talking about the maximum feline nothing itself so reward. I guess about to find that is bad for learning to serve. sounds great. was there anything else about comparative judgement that you wanted to talk about that. We haven't covered. yeah i suppose. It's a key feature compulsive tradition that we haven't gotten to and maybe because it's more to do with the standard research but not entirely is you don't have to compare like objects so for example competitive using standards research. We do some of this house. It looks pretty small country the operational research. You might get some of the examples doing so you have an exam paper from nineteen ninety-six so whatever it is on that senate if i'm from the eighth two thousand or whatever it is on the right and you ask examiners which is the most difficult paper. And they're all that's been some of the most recent says look at all which students is the best mathematician and even a different exam paper asking different questions. You find that you do have an opinion on it and i was ocean. It's reliable and valid and in fact this can be quite useful for I rent testaments as well. I can have two different conceptual questions except one what. What's the differences and similarities between fractions. Decimals molest another. One can be explained everything you know about pythagoras or whatever it is he's the world i can still have an opinion on who is best mathematician. And this can be a very sort of useful scenario if you wanna test concepts it's how we run the crime remastered. The we're doing museum and for example so that offers Possibilities as well. So i just with mentioning that and that's one thing that really opens up Lots of possibilities with comparison judgment that is potentially really powerful. Well that's fascinating fascinating. I'm just wondering there's one of the popular research that i really wanted to touch upon. I'm conscious of time. But i wonder if you could just squeeze it in an interest. Props gives us a few little highlights on this. I know from a compensation off line and also the notes colin sent through that. You're interested in in the equal sign and this is something. I'm a little bit fascinated about as well. So i wonder if you could just give a few kind of little on the headlines or just just a few things to think about that from your research if so yeah. She'll erode talk about some of this when she was on the podcast race that they including one of the studies that i went with her. So we'll talk about some of my earliest stuff. My my phd was bypass on the equal sign. I'm the country height. I'm might was was to think about substitution. So i mean. I i've scholla listeners. New you the basics of the croissant. Witches shoots seem seem to think view. It's so they stole the primary and peace. They three tientsin. Six seems like an operational symbol plus so divided. Do something it means riley. On sahira rather than a relational symbol meaning decides to sign the outside Casey i felt that what was neglected was the idea of substitution. That another meaning of equal sign is whether you see what's written on the left or the right you can change it with what's on the rights or black friday of making substitutions using Use any croissant. Which i guess is familiar with algebra whether it's just plug in the numbers in the fullness substitution but it seems to me that this was a very important aspects of the croissant and i guess another feature they fell to lots of Equal sign research was very much focused on these kind of control on your question which in a straight community or in a straight face utility so be equals b. a. i. giving arithmetic versions of that. The team for sixty six plus the team seeing students could agree with this or not without having stupid calculation. I thought well that's willing to but in some ways it's no inherent to the definition of a criminal so that the definition of mexico quality is is that it's transients equals a the crecy therefore say that symmetric was be that was and the one. That's a little bit philosophical and slights to me reflects equals. I say things that way you got sixty gracing out anyway. They they you saw in. That is the best initiative as an equivalent relationship in mathematics and it seemed that that's not quite commute to the. Yeah you'd need equivalent to ninety. Six thirteen is famous. Thirteen sakes so sticking around..

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"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

Mr Barton Maths Podcast

06:03 min | 7 months ago

"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

"I think he's still shoes. A role part of that. That considered to them That you get from the exam boats and from saint trust now as far as you while other any countries you do this on kind of a national level laura or significant level now now about actually The uk in english through markings so says and the with large pilot study in New zealand's Looking to assess primary mathematics using compulsive judgment but marriage is the show so fascinating. It really fascinating and again. I'm kind of edging towards my questions are conceptual just of one more. And if we saw maths departments or whoever listening to this you want to just come up with a task light you've satellite. What is an equation. What is a fractional or just some way of assessing conceptual understanding is the best way to get involved with competitive judgment just to use the free tool that some. No mark is is that better than just kind of printing now says swapping around and trying to put them in the ranks. I guess that's where he gets a bit complicated. Yeah you need a best smartness from the computer in the algorithm is that right. Yeah you one of my big three Web songs often tonight moe mocking and have a look. It's yeah i think the mass department level your best having a guy with the free Mo- marketing tool and come thomas l. For um they who works at more marking. He's a message station person as well. You spe- at the rim and. Yeah we very very happy to assist you. I mean when you go to tonight. More king company interested in china services but you can click on a march and then you're just free to use it Wealthy your own school. But if he's getting started you want you want someone to hold your hand. Who's done it before you don't have to engage with any of the technical on it so he just needs to be able to. They students works. Get some done and then it will sits out some schools for you so it's pretty simple but it's one of those first three you want someone holding hand to do it but yeah the show three to know king and and and have a guy. I'll tell you what like this. I can't speak for listens but there are few things more painful in life than moderation meetings. Mass diplomas arguing over. Is this a three. Mock is full. Mock oh god is painful or is this quite foam thing to do isn't it. You know you sit down for twenty minutes or whatever you've pieces were your sign. That one's the best then more komo. It's really ex. I i really enjoy anytime donate it. I found it maybe. She's the novelty factor. If i was doing all the time it'd be a bit annoying. It's it's more full than saying through our moderation. I think well. Maybe i'm just biased. To come into view when one. I share it out in the movie and competitive judgement. Similize as you can imagine it. Yeah i find it quite engaging much more than than marking And the better. I mean i mentioned new zealand and primary teachers my snow edge hall to the reason they got teaches. Judging is what you said you recommend all teachers have ago exotic mocking some se papers likewise in new zealand. The saints permutations look judge in. Talk about the mass. And she's saying that's why it's very attractive to me is paying assessment Which i do a lot in my own modules and we. We've tried to schools again. Yeah it's engaging it makes you think about it makes you think about her with us. Think i agree with that now. The other thing that really interests me about comparative judgment you've mentioned it's good for assessing conceptual understanding but my my instinct is also. It can be quite good. Help students develop conceptual and stomach. Stay right word. Bought certainly get a sense of walk. Good understanding looks like have you experience of using this with your students and as as a learning tool as opposed to an assessment tool. And if you could just talk about please yeah yeah So yeah usually get full assessment. I do this in my lectures in particular. I teach One of the foundation. Mass machos Percy so they students Doing an extra year before they start that degree and various reasons than eating to do an extra year but we cover that's preps somewhere between aleppo. So that's the kind of thing would it. So this is the group the the first thing in the first lecture is just give them a piece of paper each with autism equation saying everything. You know about equations. Some of these students are confident. Am i even how the mass of those dateline mass didn't expect to be doing So you got. I swipe range around And i just tell them to write the names on. I do believe in making theatre systems. Wet wet yes possible and then about two weeks. Later i book a computer lab and i say lemba stuffy rights now you can have one another sentences So they do some urging and kristen to work in past not necessarily to round one computer but Talking tweet tha the and discussing the work then at the end Have a whole group discussion. And so you know makes good. Answer was abandoned. She didn't like so much and often just on the screen and show them the top. Take from judging heat on a mess. Show And then i'll repeat it again in the future lecture. I'll have another test is quite similar to the matrix. Explained everything you know about. Macy's whatever this guy we've been learning about denver live again. Get them discussing. And this is the point where i tell them. Look posse your assessment. At the end of the macho is is one of these talks to questions. And i say them. You'll mark will be based solely on the quality of your richmond so but in order to get your on you get your mark release..

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"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

Mr Barton Maths Podcast

08:02 min | 7 months ago

"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

"Wet primary teachers have been Do some comparison and coast as a primary teacher myself famously. Primary teachers from have a stem background lack confidence in math. And this was a question. It was a car would in a colleague of mine. Jody hunts and you seem to really in primary school questions to capitulate mass but it was something along the lines of Thing to do with making a shape that has a maximum area and so all these answers very try and go straight times and wants it was just wonderful where the childhood starts it off with the. Maybe it's pinson heck's going to make it almost to a circle by the end say really wasn't very impressive and that bombed And that was to do with the judges. We were using this issue. Was you know the. The knowledge of the judges is the the the content. So so i mean i think the short question i think showtime says yes. My prediction is an impeachable city. Would show that it does work If you're talking about sometimes not saying you've rated expect you had to get into it. There's no avoiding acted seems to me. No and i think. I mean my experiences that those problems particularly you've got kids who right really massey dowell it's Its place a plausible right on. But it's it's wrong you just as likely to make his mark in those with absolute than you would be harrison like as soon as i see scruffy work on. I'm looking to lose a mark so modest. No eat how long. It's taking my island. So yeah i would imagine those problems. They just inherent all kind of assessments. Nas interesting thing. I was thinking was What i started teaching this kind of shows my age it call sweat was still mucking around and that was the worst in the world moscow flip enact. That was a nightmare. Because you have the worst of all worlds. You want these really rich. Can i guess so. Called open ended problems. Although to take your point they were a bit more committal. You kind of world war one direction but you might be terribly vague criteria that you're looking for so award. I think it was like three sets of marks out of eight or something and he was horrendous. And like i agrees myself let alone agree with my colleague and it was unanimous house of moderation am guessing competitors may could be quite successful in mocking coal sweat reliably without the mexicoseoul without your instinct. There as well yes it. Would i mean again. Not directly the seven. I think i've done studies where the thing where assessed looks more like coarser. Yeah it's it's the sort of thing that screens for at least having a guy with comparative judgement so they saw holistic Longer longer tasks definite district valya. Well just before i just ask you something more specific about conceptual understanding. I guess the big question here is well. Why why an example using this. Why why is it not like the go-to particularly in english. Why isn't it the singing and certainly edging towards mathematics to assess conceptual in the what. Why has it like the biggest thing in assessment. Yeah since fasting and and it i mean to raise english. A lot of what i fed doesn't apply to english. They do send out a the boats. Do send out faced remarks by thousands of pages and it's incredibly subjective exercise not cassese my education which it university and it's incredibly subjective and one of the things. I didn't understand when i first got into this. This is why is good for matt acceptable for english and interestingly of call do not publish reliability statistics for exams re released reliability. In the sense. You've been talking about you. Know with recent off quote do their own research these you can find papers where they reports from their own research reliable. It says you can. That's what it is but they realize that this is really are quite poll. And i think there's a cultural thing they're thinking english Teaches have just come to accept. The you know you call. The best subject has an inherent subjectivity whereas master teaches is. We are much more used to having. Some tippety knowing shoots results fair in the sense. It doesn't matter marks mocks. So i think that coach difference is I if not question. But it's something to note in terms of why don't the example status and why Call them to like this. I think That they like to and setting off call very keen on seeing comparison judgments introduced. It's it's the conservatism of change. I think with the national exams. Something i'm sympathetic to because some results out in august if they you know grade inflation is outrageous the grades same as last year outrageous. About what you do that go into the emirates so it's a very difficult area to innovates. In fact somebody sort of an asante quip earlier. About how my commission from there all sides he props because of the failure because my you know look into how can improve the validity of exams and Whilst that led to compare judgments and most of the things. I'm very proud of. I'm not sure it led to a great change in jc exams. And i quickly learned when i saw about research and started hanging around the building. Police to keep arms length because there's no space to innovate and the spaces. I've started out to innovate or at university or in the new zealand. Primary curriculum arap key stage three or with more mocking the services. They offer It's it's just very difficult to affect change unless it comes in the top down way to numerical grades for policies and all the really want to get into the lockdown assessments. Costco was fat. Yeah just seems to me. it's very hard for. Its changed anything competitive judgments or anything else. There's also lots of work i mean. I'm not a policy person or essentially to understand the research. Big socio technical systems that is the exam boards and all but Yeah it does seem to me that face changes are going to come about. We certainly don't wanna go. Full bore to comparative so local needs to be done perhaps by people with different expertise to may into. What would we throws competitive judgment. Coursework and essay. Seems a good thing. I if from my answering fitness convinced by the three or four mark type questions although that might just be my own sorts of desire to to change maps assessment rather than being existing mass assessment comparative judgement. So i certainly think we should pay traditional marketing. And i'm sure we always will. It's tried and tested. So i guess it'd be a lot of work needed to decided sexually what we're gonna use comparative just from the foreign and how we're going to go without you'll say the challenge as i mean i use comparative judgement has mentioned and of course when they say How do i get a good mark mark scheme. What's it 'cause. I'm like it's well answering. That question is possible And i'll have ways to do it but that is a different question as well. So how'd you sell it to the public to sail. Wow worrisome expert. Strategy were there's no comments. There's no marks game but we shall we go right now. There are answers to that. How the for example says anyone who challenges their grave could ask for some further judgments to be made and so. I think he's still shoes. A role part of that. That considered to them That you get from the exam boats and from saint trust.

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"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

Mr Barton Maths Podcast

07:52 min | 7 months ago

"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

"And the reason being that wonderful questions and and i think sure love listening to use them They are they are open middle an ice and ended this often only three actual plausible ways. That you you know. There's a wrong enrollment about them. And i thought to moving into being interested in assessing conceptualize and which is much more than i'm nuts In a way in my education and it got started by some happenstance as a teach I used to work with Telling her about this comparison thing. I was getting into said. Oh well i'll probably ask. You might want four another market. Another bother the when i got my new year's sevens i always put some factions on the board and i say put them into water on explain how you've done it. And she said these. It's already always radio insightful. This task i don't know it's just read it but it really gives me some insight and it strikes me as a of thing that would be very useful for comparative judgement. So bright These ready to go. So she gave me some for these them judged and yeah found that i always those comparison judgments she's some reliable outcomes full ritz. And what was interesting about. That was this'll it was conceptual rather than problem solving. I mean. the radi isn't any rights emphasis. Explain how you you went out this but also contain a procedural or right wrong part you got in order and that can be marked as as rightful wrong and that enabled us to Assess those tax. We're able to to assign a mark based on how correct neither students put. Fractions doesn't objective. If you like mark and then we have the comparative judgments mark comparison schools and what was really interesting about that was they was nuts. A relationship between the comparison judgements school and the objective school for putting the factions in order. So that that made us think that the judge really were focusing on the explanation. We're ready trying to access what the shootings had said they'd done rather than just looking at the faction order so that was very reassuring that perhaps we'll onto something here. I mean the whole point was to try and get competitive judgement to go to places. The traditional marketing can't reach in impractical so from this is where king with colleagues at at least from matthew. And who've been on your show and i recently and we started pushing bit further and thinking it's really the to switch to define conceptual understanding if you find something measure it a competitive kind of davis still shortcuts to do that so we started presenting students with questions shows as what is an equation. Explain everything about two questions. That's the first thing that My She didn't say university when i made them not. Surreal from that you. Can you know you can have any question you want. Concept tax explain is the basic format. I'm very interested in in using The moment so from prime right. Dan from new zealand but the equivalent of one three nancy university students explain what prefix. Explain everything you understand by. Praise them into private school with a explain arithmetic and everything. You understand from a taker. Now i've been very some as well. I have Some engineering students. I teach culpability too. So i make them rats out to this defense. As from certain through to impossible they judge themselves and one thing like competitive judgment once she got your head into it. There's as many tasks and questions and ways you can use it as they're all people who come across it if you like but i think the trick is to think of those things you wouldn't really know how to go about mocking. What can companionship tonight. Able what what can we start doing. That hasn't been with traditional marking Is is i think. The main way that's not to approach it and focus on conception standing something that's really got me interested in it. Wow right okay so a couple of questions spring to mind here. I just want to reverse a little bit is okay and just go back to something you were saying about the s e papers. Now i m. I can look enough to jason papers. I know many listeners. Have i always advise muss teaches. Just assign not for the money because there's hardly any money which is to sign of the experience of marquee has e- papers because it it teaches you so much about what gains marks. What loses marks in it so informative euro kind of teaching exotic needs to students but whilst the kind of walmart to mock questions a pretty easy to mock jesus as soon as she gets like a three marker full mark is flip nightmare because the mark schemes branch off in all different directions and if a child makes a mistake align warm. You just you've already north because then you've got to look for followthrough marks and work it all out yourself and so on so you think. Comparative judgement has a role to play in those kind of three four five mark tricky tomorrow. Dc questions or or not really. Is that really way you need to look for whether marks technically needs to be awarded and sell them. Yeah well. I'm gonna be out my by just terrifying. I haven't explicitly research that Looking at such three and four my questions and say my. I guess my parents would be well if we were to run a study where we would to present these to teachers and ask them. Would you expect that to show a correlation remarks. My assumption is that it would But that would be way assessing those sorts of Three four more questions and in fact he was something we were interested in trying to encourage off colony exam boards To to investigate which little bit lost. But yeah. I imagine it worked. I mean you've got gotta be careful with of thing. If you're saying well well i'd have to sit to work. At what what the kids done here and to their own calculations to get it. Then i mean. Hopefully you still want to do that. If you were comparatively judging give them a chance. I mean one thing we have noticed with comparative judgement. Is that things. That's all mathematics. Stu coming switch. I mean if. I'm giving a short talk and asking for pace to be filled. If if the kids writing say messy can't read it out well in the in the comparative judge interesting. I'll say you will say ten break. Comparisons with no silver bullet in education. And watch it's a very very good system. There is an element of the consistency from tax. There isn't elements of assuming people playing the game. So they've seen a couple of times where i put closeable answer. This actually nonsense. I'm calling from my niece. Who was Fifty you know something at the time to to rises. How for me stuck it in the pulp and you hope this thing is going to sink 'cause especially it looks good but it's obsolete yes and where we hope is around the food but it doesn't necessarily might you typed say so you know there is no getting around scratching your head and looking at what the kids done and make can show you my king You know the best judgment you can with it Another it's i'm patrick from.

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"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

Mr Barton Maths Podcast

09:10 min | 7 months ago

"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

"They just so in that conference. I met this no problem at all. Once we start doing payer assessment that gap closes. All i had recently. Who's looked at assessing university pre fusing comparative fichman. And again the the expertise level between the contents of the maps and the judge's marrows and it'll be so perhaps the wisdom of crowds thing kicks in a literal era. we achieve things. That would be hard to do that. Comparison judgements interesting. Thus interesting and the left molest question again before we dive into the specific stuff and forgive me. If this is something you want to tackle or it's just kind of two big question is the one thing i've never quite got my head around is how you actually get schools all levels or grades from this i can completely see how competitive judgement would lead to a ranking but then how does that equate is he just as simple as the top ten decide in advance the top ten percent again this grade the next him something to get the over or something a bit more sophisticated going onto turn that ranking into some kind of level of school yet. This is a very common question. I i got the related to is inherently know reference or can we criterion reference The grades so just before. I answer that question. It's worth saying that what we got out to competitors from people say iran cordray and are used to stop saying this because i think on the south side we do get a school for each student out to comparative judgments and they all scaled schools. So so it isn't just around corner but for some reason a such as i'm how from talking about iran colder by that. Can you speak into that a bit more. Because i i've always just assumed it was a ranking. Well where does the school bit come from. Yeah that the school is modeled from the judgment decisions Mentioned the. I wanna get nerdy about typically these Statistics package will output a mean of zero in a standard deviation of about two point five. See these quite okay schools. You wouldn't in a million years. How minus one point five remember so yeah it it models into to give an actual school. I mean if you're much simpler algorithm where you just say Have the number of wins number of times piece tracing divided by the total number off Parents had you've got a there as well. It's just in right scopus doing it in a in a most suspected way. So you end up with you. School was a mattie. These are all the hideous. I mean zero sunday deviation two point five so then you might transform them to be on a scale from zero to a hundred. You'll be careful with that vote because it looks like it's percentage and it's and content coverage like mine they but then how you apply. Grades is This comes on so really interesting thing about comparative judgments But applying great is a doc hawks owls now have however they were generates it through mocking three comparative judgement through reading sauce on some tea leaves whatever it is schools and you could either norm reference them. You could chop them up in ten cents or you can criterion reference them. You can bench for the points switch using what other mechanism you think not great ice scraping on after. It's i number nowadays. That could be a great like a mysterious ways that you can insert the joint. Says it were the places where you want great boundary To be I don't go more data if you listeners. With the interested in more the batter he doesn't okay. Well yeah. I'll do that then. So i mean this different whites system that we don't use it in my university teaching which they use compiler situation they try not to be one of those education searches who doesn't practice what they preach I think not much of a few years. Now where i got some Exemplars of what. I consider to be the right. It's a little much. What them school between zero and saw to that comparative judgement work. So i've got my for flash five Exemplar why chocolate three of them just to chat and they will come up in the same place. So i i see these into the church in pots along with fishes and the gypsies who who actually the students and cook for lectures. It's so they don't know switch and then you can look where they come out in the colder i then mindlessly just cold out the cook ride you want to look a little bit to the side and often again end shunting memo professional judgment in another way. I've done it I wouldn't do this repair assessment but when experts judging it's just right a fee on hyper and most of the time djing pieces were just now and again you get a spade. So then you're having to make an absolute. He decided to both open. Another thing i've done is the with lectures. Who haven't got exemplars is you can actually look at the rank quoted franco-dutch scores. You've got put them in order and you get natural breaks everybody. Typically you see the five or six students of really like the not so you could start off those natural breaks and say well look this genuine empirical division between the students. Let's have a look scripts around mad and decide where to the west great boundary. So so these various ways you you can Put them in none of them entirely a But i i think that's the case with any score she got but yeah i think appointees. Why don't you call it a sex schools however they would generate it whether you reference. So criterion reference grades can be done stomachs perfect sense and just to be clear here in this point as far as my understanding is it's not just the case that comparative judgement is more efficient than obsolete marking. Or whatever we want to call it is say it is more reliable like if if you if you've got experts. He would trying to obsolete mark they disagree. Don't and yams competitive judgement. Is it fat. Say kind of irons out. those disagreements. Yeah i think that's right. That's a fair way of putting it. So yeah it's hard not to get reliable with comparative judgement. So long as you've got an official coming in as i mentioned earlier so long as you judge is relative expertise is taking it seriously alexa thing whereas with traditional mocking yeah you can hammerton to be reliable. You can throw enough money. I you can take a sampo developed remarks game if you get someone to do some sample marketing to have a meeting and refined and that's what we do when we were eating together yardstick so you can get there but you kind of help that we'd comparative judgement so the certainly some efficiency in the mix and match is a big selling point in certain contexts. The kids also about being able to produce your schools less interesting right. Well this this is kind of the point. I out with when i was speaking. Today's our sold on the dream of this. I thought this is brilliant. But i fought maths. How on earth is this this working for math. So just tell me in. We'll what are the types of matz problems. All mass challenges that comparative judgement lends itself. Best to so. I started off being very interested in problem solving when i was first in comparative judgement side. An early. study With malcolm swann. We took some if the show task. They were Moxie under the boland scheme of old and so we took some of the bolan tasks and we have the march to into central get the marked and then we have to joe judge and we found those than themselves to being comparatively. Just quite well so these turf well. I'm not sure. I can middle sometimes. People co lisa sorts of tasks. So whether it's two or three different Avenues to three different ways to do it. So it six lend itself well to those sorts of problems however i also just three some traditional. Jcs's patriots in the same time. And i found that that equally competition was able to assess them so. I guess it's not that it's sunny better at problem solving than it is a traditional type thing sam. It's just i guess. Why would you want to offend traditionally comparative judgement that quite objectives so mocking. Where it's quite well. So it's just kind of politically check. The the the the problem solving questions were quite well. My interest moved on a little bit from problem solving items. Oh this'll nothing. I'm shell center malcolm swum type. And the reason being that wonderful questions and and i think sure love listening to use them They are they are open middle.

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"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

Mr Barton Maths Podcast

06:22 min | 7 months ago

"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

"Cancer they signed it up hanging around Some of the awarding bodies who were kind enough to let me from and situated on some of their meetings where examiners have their exams peer reviewed and chat and improved and i discovered that really lots of the fragmentation. Lots of reducing questions into isolated. It's questions with one. Two three marks only heyman came about from from central factors. But the one that really caught my attention was the need. Get these exams marks quickly by lots of people so these exams get it depends how many people how many students have stopped the exam but they got to. Maybe a few thousand thing is to be very quickly and we know normal distribution any group of three thousand people is going to be a normal curve of competence. I'm the you know taking the seriously. So how'd you get these things march reliably. I'm gonna use the word reliable quite lots. And when i say reliable. I mean a spectacular form of which is guessing the same mark. No matter who marks your exam because what we don't want is the migrates to be whatever happened to do the marking so one way to cope with having lots of people mock exams quickly. Very scholars says is to make the marketing objective as you can and the way to make marketing objective well. The extreme is Multiple choice which is perfectly business sense. It's a machine. Kamal kits lewis brinson factory. The same comes through to these sorts of short short questions. Now you might be thinking. Well the problem with english and they have a say so we could come to that. But for the case of mass. This was a barrier. We don't have longer questions because we couldn't have march reliably genuine and kind concern. We want kids grades to the of the wha- dumb so so that was the problem. That's what i was seeing at the samples and meanwhile well i've got this commission to Improve quality of assessments. Let me see. If i can get them. Meeting with dylan william so he was kind enough to give me fifteen minutes The new research signed and he said to me the most exciting thing in assessments at the moment is happening at goldsmiths and project to run someone corporate kimball and there was someone else assessment research. Cool down the poet who was that as well. And that's why i came across comparative judgement on what they do so retorting just around two thousand nine. Two thousand and ten center is so what goes. Smith's we're interested him was designed and technology education happens. Hec essay and About ten or eleven years ago technology was coming on and in college. Eight starting at people's Film and record that projects that piece of technology that were making using videos and making any portfolio. How enough do you mock an equal volume will more importantly. How do you market reliably. Yes she's going to distribute them to help and commodities they were applying competitive dejan. That was the first time to my malicious competitive. Judgments being applies directly to the assessment of students actually been used for a while in psychology lab some for standardizing exams and stuff but actually using it to a student style rattling. And that's where i saw it. And that's what i thought yes. This is what we need in mass. In order to have our performance pieces and order to amass assessment. That might just see something like this concept and then you can pay no genuine open tasks of. That's where i caught my eye. And i i watch it about. Would it be possibly just to people familiar. Perhaps with the term all the intricacies of competitive making just a very quick overview of waltz involved in in a competitive kind of exercise. Yeah sure i want it so so wait a second work a way of getting a mark. A grades to students were and what we do is we. Don't have any real breaks. No marks a with throw after red pens. We don't be lots of takes and aggregate than instead we make listrik judgement so the idea raised we. As as experts no walks with my thinking problem solving such an sending. Looks like when we see it so all we need to do is have a look at these students work and use i roam professional judgments into how good it is Decide what we think that the problem we using special judgments of course is that subjective. All sorts of things are subject tips. I'm sure you've come across these examples before but when we introduce competitive it's say if i ask you If we were in the same room a few of us and i was a temperature. We don't realize thais we'd have different gases. I then said let's all go outside now. Is it warmer outside a womb ringside suddenly with all the great. So what we did with comparison. Judgement is not present. One piece of work. We present two pieces of work and we are simply which is better. We might need to qualify nikola mocking conception standing or some other aspect. But simply which is better. I'm gonna harnessing the idea. That s professionals We do know won't good mathematical thinking. Looks like and the i mean. The claimant line from judgments drawing on temperature temperature example is simply as human beings. We're all over the place. We are not consistent at making absolute judgements but we are very consistent at making comparative judgement. Hence the name so when we compare one thing with another very consistent with ourselves whether we do it today or tomorrow and with each other no shooting i know that mass number take it seriously and and all these other things. So that's the basic idea of it now If we could get temperature in the room temperature when we say warm inside or outside. We've only got warden literally..

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"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

Mr Barton Maths Podcast

07:32 min | 7 months ago

"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

"I think lots of shooting certainly lots of the shootings that i chose a bit of a bit fed up the questions. And if it is. I decided to schoolteacher however i dropped house of my pg to the secondary pg see in physics and some it was going well and i was just too young. I just had no chance in from these kids different with the two week. Primary place and made a big impression on me. So when i say what. I did was transferred to a primary. Pg but for various reasons the sea and reapply to do that so became firm schoolteacher for a while and enjoyed that much and used it to travel the will. The best of teaches do After a few years. I started to get a little eligible. I i never really ansett going into Managements and coke with management positions in schools sought to change so. I embraced my in a mood and decided to do a master's in which like instance was at the university where i am now and the end of that masters in it. I like the strikes on the want. You couldn't switch a computer and not so how becoming academic And say through. Keeping an eye on trump's don't k. I picked little bits of research. Projects work song. Could they practice to the university of warwick the time employed me on a few checks and by hook or crook ended up doing a phd That was in the area of students understanding of equal sign. Which is something. I'm sure mention steiber on the nightmare. I'm going to talk about probably not had some Post op work. I ended up being working with the show center a literal. And we'll certainly come back to that because that's what. Let's my interesting comparison judgment which. I'm hoping to talk to you about today. Involved involved in the fast-melts Of a mama picks And then i went from to get a lecture shit look for university which is where i am fantastic. So you fed. I'm just before we dive into your area of research. I always ask people this point to pick out favourite failures. Something that thing go according to planning your professional life but you lend from the experience. Yeah this is a great question and of course no research goes as planned. We we tie reports in this very linear logic this for this way and the slower either way to a a bit of a match Under the bonnet in my early days of comparative judgments invested perhaps a couple years of research trying to make it more efficient. I mean that's we'll gets into. The essence of the is is is people in market teachers but teachers say looks face a welcome screen and make judgments and we have to get them to make a lot of judgments quite quickly and i was really interested as people he was. He was in comparative judgments in those days was trying to do was to make more efficient. It's feeling that you needed to many judgments to get reliable outcomes. How can we juice it through various mechanisms such as algorithms under the bonnet but also how we present pieces of work. How we sequence them. We contrasting to work together will similar. Bit sweats gotta retrain people to be more efficient and so on and so forth. and then what's worse. i could sit with. I couldn't make comparative judgement more efficient. No matter what a date you got the same result with satan the same number just couldn't get juice and at the time i was stated by this because we can't get it more efficiently competent off the ground. But i to coat after a couple of years one day and just holding them in this competitive judgments just really robust no matter what i hit it with. I'm guessing the same results every time so what started off as a frustration and it wasn't the most efficient use of time to discover. This turned out to be a strength. So i at least from the base to think that it's A place to be reassured that it's a fairly robust system but yeah it's not always the mice deficient person doing research getting from survey. You don't always star wreck marines us interesting. I after again. I i can relate in a certain sense that often. I'll spend days working on something and think war on earth of i achieve. That is only later on. You realize that props time was needed fee to to to get to the point where you realize either. You can't solve it that way or you've laid the groundwork to think of another solution and so on. It's it's difficult. As in the jobs. I get the sense that you can see the fruits of your labor all the time but sometimes when you think about things in research in it takes a little bit longer defeated Realize what you've achieved without make sense absolutely. Yes yeah tracheal right. Well when i'm calling sent through when the list of kind of bios area of interest of the guests. I'll be speaking to him this series. I'm a really kind of honed. In on your zine when i saw comparative judgement so just a bit of background for the listeners. I fist became aware of comparative judgement via the work. They usually christodoulou on daisy on the podcast. But we talked for about two hours but just about its use in english and it was only really the end of the podcast. I said any joy with this masses or any relevance you just just briefly about but of course hurry era. Expertise trustees within with with an english and a bit went on one of these comparative judgement workshops and again it was very much looking at a judging Strengths of pieces of writing. And so on and so forth. Unlike you i was blown away by the potential power of this the robustness of this. That kept coming through. But i could never see the white that this could be used in in mathematics and i still county and so. I'm really looking forward to this so i guess the place to start is what. When did you first become aware of comparative judgement as a means of assessment or means of comparing things. Yeah in a in a meeting with dylan william. Is the short answer today. So i mentioned. I was the show centre nottingham who have a long standing reputation to develop thing rich for formative and for some questions and was the show center. I got commissioned by the royal society to socially created this failure to improve the quality of dc examination And what was tree. Then i think is is prep slightly less but from the banchory problem the role citing many people sore at the time was. Jcs's i'm would not fit for purpose. The various reasons and the section logical reasons such as Holding schools to accounts on the basis episodes. But actually this was talking about the content the mathematical content and the questions not being fit for purpose and the basic feeling was that there was too many piecemeal questions and not enough sustain reasoning or problem solely longer. Questions an analogy. I sometimes use imagine. English was assessed only using grammar and spelling tests. You have nice objective reliable results whereas the performance whereas the essay. And that's that's what. I wanted to do in masks really bringing the performance bringing the sl.

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"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

Mr Barton Maths Podcast

06:24 min | 7 months ago

"ian jones" Discussed on Mr Barton Maths Podcast

"Uk all contact them via the website. There's links to both of those things in the show notes and remember that's arc with the c. Not okay so welcome to season. Two of my research connection mini series. Where i into researches from look for universities center if a mathematical cognition about their chosen areas of interest and the implications for teachers in the classroom and i try my very best not to come across completely out of my depth episode eight features ian jones in his it in the mathematics education center of university and a fellow of the higher education academy prior to being rita ian was a senior research fellow funded by a royal society shuttle with education research fellowship in lectures mathematics and research mathematics education and assessment. He obtained his ph d. mathematics education at the university of warwick and worked as a research fellow at the university of nottingham before moving to look for university as a senior research fellow from the by the royal society prior to this in which to work as a research assistant on many projects at several universities. And perhaps most. Interestingly of all for our audience was a schoolteacher fa- ten years now ian is an expert on the equal sign and algebraic thinking and we took japan those at the end of this conversation but the main focus is on comparative judgement in as developed the technique of comparative judgement for maths assessments. Which now used by off and he's also involved with no more marking which is headed up by a former podcast guest and friend of the show. Daisy christodoulou now as we will discover in this compensation een is an expert on all things assessments and feedback and standards and validity in examinations. And i'll tell you what they're plenty of takeaways for how we might assess students mathematical understanding beyond summited tests so without further ado. Let's get cracking. And as i will see you on the other side. Okay and we start the shows. We always do with your mouth. Speed data questions so questionable on. What is your favorite number and why while opposite. I'm gonna go with the number if it is a number nine thousand nine hundred four. The reason for that being spicy favorite book book discovered when i was fifteen and i found very enlightening at the time and that does contain a little bit of my i guess Asleep at freedom is the freedom to say that to to make four something that seems quite relevant nowadays in the world of Until the facts and post truth let's say so Yeah let's remind from while at to and to do. Mike foale let's go. I don't think we've ever kind of a year or a book title as as a favorite numbers a little twist on my in a up very good and questionable to then. What was your favorite topic. As a student. I remember Early on in a level maths when we were first introduced to differentiation from first principles being amazed by this. And i just the failing in the lesson. This is my powerful idea rather come across I didn't know why. I didn't quite understand why but i just won't humans very clever and i think there was something to do about the idea of limits. The idea of taking this experiment and from it being able to produce Heart results To my strong predictions or muddle physical world. So i really remember being quite blown away by that. If i remember the teach Started off with one xenos paradox and not ready so it's court me think you didn't quite humorous way. He shelter gonna one of the students at the rim without students have got schultz and The answer was no Yeah i was really quite taken by. I'm afraid i didn't master's degree at the physics degree. And i think he loves math. Lesson was a big party. Leader me to want to study physics. Ralton maths wanting to muddle world mathematics. That's fascinated had us. Amazing those those memorable experiences that sticking your mind and yet can can be defined and that's a great sense and final speed dating question at. What would you like to do if you weren't involved. In research and education. In general the older. I get the more. I suspect that practice. Those philosophers and spiritual leaders throughout the ages and psychologists today have a point that really life is perhaps about taking a step back smelling the roses focusing on the important things in life and like lots of people nowadays. I've jumped on the meditation. Young depends wagon on. Just do a knox in order to realize how far i am definitely put my so. I like if if i had more time again or maybe one day i will. If i'd the courage and they strengthen parrots are on the sense of the mountain or something like that. Wow yeah so what are you. I'm i'm interested. I suspect time similar. I'm kinda dobelin a bit of kind of mindful song. What what what what you do. Is it just kind of a daily meditation. Drop anything else that you regularly baby is. The aspiration I think it's probably every day. If i can live opposite a sensor so i i got to meditate when when i saw south to and i've just younger just one of my down Not only a well to go. The other thing going to join lockdown is cold showers which i recommend say For you know you're in the moment when you're having a coach sandwich. Jeez well fantastic. Okay well what will be willing to now than if it's alright is your career. Can you tell us where it all started view. And how you got to you all too. Well yeah as mentioned. I'm afraid i'm a fraud that it did physics Somebody degree and by the end of my physics degree..

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"ian jones" Discussed on News Talk 1130 WISN

News Talk 1130 WISN

02:39 min | 1 year ago

"ian jones" Discussed on News Talk 1130 WISN

"News of a We brought that point across. Sorry for the big love deep in the middle of it. Sometimes you can't say stuff on the radio. You want to say it is the job, Paige show in the weekend with Joe PAGs, the year and parody program. We've done a lot of charities this year in a lot of you asked for them over and over again, and what's funny is sometimes I do a parody, and people will say, Why don't you do something on this? I got this one all the time. Do something on Joe Biden, Haydn. Okay. You got it. I did it in June. Hmm. The odds in the basement all day long, 20 weeks out. He gets it wrong every cell wall, but he'll tweet tweet tweet. Yes, it's easier than hitting the streets I'd buy. I'm but he's my cousin scared about what you might say. He says, but for him or you ain't black. Stop, he says is dumb and can't take it back. Loses his place makes it dumb pays. No way He wins electoral race. I'm my Presided by you keep from active. The food used to say it's just a job. Ian Jones, this girl's hair where every goes Say, Look, God take out Trump All this He is an old job forgot the words to the declaration. Discovering tea can lead the nation He could be directed an awfully crashed in the vote for mutant gifts. My hands hide my bro. I'm driving you harm comes up because it's really not all there. Oh, yes. The little hiding biting. So before you suggested, the answer is yes, we have done Biden Biden. There you go A little something. Something from the Joe PAGs show the Pack's parody program for the end of 2020. I appreciate you guys tuning in and how to go back to Frank Sinatra because there was a piece of video that came out with Jerry Nadler wrestling with his face mask. He just couldn't get it right. And it was just the dumbest thing I've seen since his waddle. And it just cracked me up, so I had to do something. Here's Nadler that mask.

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"ian jones" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

07:09 min | 1 year ago

"ian jones" Discussed on KQED Radio

"With you on the take away. I'm Callie Crossley in for Tan Xena. We've been talking about some of the achievements of black animators and voice actors this year and the work that still needs to be done to make the field war inclusive. I've been speaking with animators Bruce W. Smith and Ian Jones, Corti and voice actor Angelique parent. And actors of color are also overlooked. When it comes to voicing characters like aliens or mystical creatures that don't have race in animated shows. Do producers need to be more imaginative when it comes to casting those roles? Yeah, absolutely. On the shore, like co executive produced Steven Universe. The main cast are almost all aliens and we went to We ended up casting majority women of color, and it was just because these were the voices that we hadn't heard before. And I really would love people to be a little more open to, uh, finding those voices because you know for me, it's less about the idea of matching Character's skin color to the actor, but actual like economic justice, I want women of color and actors of color to get paid and get respect and have prominence within the industry. A man. So so Bruce when you worked on 2000 nine's the Princess and the Frog, which had Disney's first black prison princess, But more than 10 years later, Pixar has its first black lead, character and soul. Are you disappointed that has taken so long to see more black animated lead characters? Absolutely. I mean, you know that That's a whole generation almost passing by before anyone thinks of Hey, you know, let's take this film that we've got right now and sort of re cast the lead, you know, and let you know an African American enjoy. And participate. I mean, that's just been the whole things that have been in this business is like it's like we love. This business is African American artists, but we want to participate like we want to be involved in all of the flights of fancy. You know, Um, I've worked on so many projects that did not involve me from an animation standpoint, but I had to put myself in the character, you know, So so actually, it's helped me as an animator's help, You know, you know, separate myself and my skill set from the crowd because of of the things that I do as an African American to put in the character, but that still doesn't necessarily reflect Character. This actually on the screen is being a person of color, and that's sort of been an issue with me for a long time. Angelique when voice actors of color are cast, it's often relatively big name actors who get the part. Are you hoping to see Hollywood move away from reliance on big names in order to give other voice actors like yourself a chance. I would love that. The jobs that I have auditioned for that were specifically black female characters or male often went to like Regina King Sonal a thin on need a long But the thing that I can bring, I cannot bring what Regina King does. But what I can do is act. It also played a grandma and I could also play a role. Oh, I can't do you know I can do different things. I'm not. I don't do what they do, but they don't do what I do. So when you cast in our lengthen Who was a fabulous ale is black actress. You just get that and you don't get the levels that you're going to get with someone who does this the way I do and who relishes it. So what do you think Animation studios need to do in order to make the animation industry more welcoming to animators of color and voice actors of color and I'll start with you in for me and you know, this just goes for everything. It's really just about. Being aware of what's going on. For instance, when I created my show, Okay, Kayo, let's be Heroes for Cartoon Network. I was only the second black creator. For the network. And the first black creator was Andre 3000. So you know, he got to come in the door completely different way than I did. I think that studios need to be aware that, uh, you know, talent, people of color, you know? They're rare in this industry, but it doesn't mean we don't have the talent. They need to just be aware and cast their net a little wider, and I really hope that that's gonna happen more as we get more people being able to come to prominence, you know, using the Internet, and it's hopefully easier to find those people. So, Bruce, What about you? What do you think? Ooh, Ah ho, man. Yeah, I kind of agree with Ian. I mean, I think it's really about opportunity. I think you know for us to have the opportunity will help paint and put the industry on course and on par for What we in the foreseeable future, because listen, one thing you can't deny and in life is that us? We is a black people. We drive culture way. Just do so that always when you see our our stories being told, And when you drop us in movies, it makes those movies that much more interesting. You know, because of the language that we bring the swag that we bring those things that unnecessary, those things that they look for so You know, moving forward Producers always. You should think about that. I weigh in like this. This is an easy work to be more inclusive. It's going to take a couple of extra steps for this to happen, and it could be something simple as grabbing six of the best little drawers. And you know, whatever neighborhood bringing them in and mentoring them for a year. Um, it could be something that small, just mentoring aspiring. Uh, you know, animators, voice actors or could be a larger program where we go. Hey, let's invest in the future off this industry. But We know that there's the talent out there. But the talent has to be given the opportunity and people need to be open to opening that door toe allow other faces. Other ideas. And other types of creativity in And this year you worked on a serious of anti racism shorts for Cartoon network is animation, a good medium for addressing the seriously issues of the kind we've been talking about. Absolutely, and you know, I'll say it a million times. Animation is uniquely positioned to be, uh, medium that expresses and teaches empathetic skills and gets characters across. You know, at the end of the day animation is, you know, it's like a century old magic trick. We're basically forcing your brain toe. Look at these images..

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"ian jones" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

WNYC 93.9 FM

07:57 min | 1 year ago

"ian jones" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"With you on the take away. I'm Callie Crossley in for Tan Xena. We've been talking about some of the achievements of black animators and voice actors this year and the work that still needs to be done to make the field more inclusive. I've been speaking with animators Bruce W. Smith and Ian Jones, Corti and voice actor Angelique parent. And actors of color are also overlooked. When it comes to voicing characters like aliens or mystical creatures that don't have race in animated shows. Do producers need to be more imaginative when it comes to casting those roles? Yeah, absolutely. On the shore, like co executive produced Steven Universe. The main cast are almost all aliens and we went to We ended up casting majority women of color, and it was just because these were the voices that we hadn't heard before, And I really would love people to be a little more open to, uh Finding those voices because you know for me, it's less about the idea of matching character, skin color to the actor, but actual like economic justice, I want women of color and actors of color to get paid and get respect and have prominence within the industry. A man. So so Bruce when you worked on 2000 nine's the Princess and the Frog, which had Disney's first black prison princess, But more than 10 years later, Pixar has its first black lead, character and soul. Are you disappointed that has taken so long to see more black animated lead characters? Absolutely. I mean, you know that That's a whole generation almost passing by before anyone thinks of Hey, you know, let's take this film that we've got right now and sort of re cast the lead, you know, and let you know an African American enjoy. And participate. I mean, that's just been the whole things that have been in this business is like it's like we love. This business is after American artists, but we want to participate like we want to be involved in all of the flights of fancy. You know, um, I I've worked on so many projects that did not involve me from an animation standpoint, but I had to put myself in the character, you know? So so actually, it's helped me as an animator. So you know, you know, separate myself. And my skill set from the crowd because of the things that I do as an African American to put in the character, But that still doesn't necessarily reflect the character this actually on the screen as being a person of color, and that's sort of been an issue with me for a long time. Mm hmm. Angelique When voice actors of color are cast, it's often relatively big name actors who get the part. Are you hoping to see Hollywood move away from reliance on big names in order to give other voice actors like yourself a chance? I would love that. The jobs that I have auditioned for that were specifically black female characters or male often went to like Regina King Sonal, a thin needle along But the thing that I can bring, I cannot bring what Regina King does. But what I can do is act. It also played a grandma and I could also play a role. Oh, I can't do you know I can do different things. I'm not. I don't do what they do, but they don't do what I do. So when you, CASS and I lengthen Who was a fabulous ale is black actress. You just get that and you don't get the levels that you're going to get with someone who does this? The way I do and who relishes it. So what do you think Animation studios need to do in order to make the animation industry more welcoming to animators of color and voice actors of color and I'll start with you in for me and you know, this just goes for everything. It's really just about. Being aware of what's going on. For instance, when I created my show, Okay, Kayo, let's be Heroes for Cartoon Network. Was only the second black creator for the network. And the first black creator was Andre 3000. So, uh, you know, he got to come in the door completely different way than I did. Think that studios need to be aware that you know talent, people of color. You know they're rare in this industry, but it doesn't mean we don't have the talent. They need to just be aware and Cast their net a little wider, and I really hope that that's gonna happen more as we get more people being able to come to prominence, you know, using the Internet, and it's hopefully easier to find those people. So, Bruce, What about you? What do you think? Ooh. Oh, man. Yeah, I kind of agree with him. I mean, I think it's really about opportunity. I think you know for us to have the opportunity. Will help paint and put the industry on course and on par for What we in the foreseeable future, because listen, one thing you can't deny and life is that us? We is a black people. We drive culture way. Just do so that always when you see our our stories being told, And when you drop us in movies, it makes those movies that much more interesting. You know, because of the language that we bring the swag that we bring those things that unnecessary. Those things that they look for. So you know, moving forward producers always. You should think about that. I weigh in like this. This is an easy work to be more inclusive. It's going to take a couple of extra steps for this to happen, and it could be something simple as grabbing six of the best little drawers. And you know, whatever neighborhood bringing them in and mentoring them for a year. Um, it could be something that small, just mentoring aspiring. Uh, you know, animators, voice actors or could be a larger program where we go. Hey, let's invest in the future off this industry. But We know that there's the talent out there. But the talent has to be given the opportunity and people need to be open to opening that door toe allow other faces, other ideas and other types of creativity in And this year you worked on a serious of anti racism shorts for Cartoon network is animation, a good medium for addressing the seriously issues of the kind we've been talking about. Absolutely. And, you know, I'll say it a million times. Animation is uniquely positioned to be, uh, medium that expresses and teaches empathetic skills and gets characters across. You know, at the end of the day animation is, you know, it's like a century old magic trick. We're basically forcing your brain toe. Look at these images. Hear these sounds hear the sound effects and believe that that's a real person and a real character. The reason why animation is so powerful is because that power comes from you, the viewer, you put the all those things together in your brain and you create the characters as well as us giving you the material to do so. Animation is incredibly powerful in that way, and I hope more people pay attention and thank you so much. We're gonna have to leave it there, and it was the light talking to all of you. Bruce W. Smith is the creator of the upcoming The Proud Family Louder and prouder and Jones Court. He is the creator of Okay, Kayo, Let's be heroes and Angelique Parent is the voice actor and co host and producer of Cafe Mocha Radio on WBLS. Thank you all for speaking with me. Thank you. All.

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"ian jones" Discussed on PRI's The World

PRI's The World

07:07 min | 1 year ago

"ian jones" Discussed on PRI's The World

"Asked Officials have presented the swap as a sacrifice that Afghans had to make who madness solve my paradise those. Will Body on doesn't see it that way. At My. Peace without justice isn't make sense to me he said. And there's something else that frustrates him France, Australia and Norway oppose the release of a handful of high profile Taliban prisoners convicted of killing their citizens. In those cases, the Afghan government negotiated an alternative post. Music. Atara Russia. Vice President. said six prisoners percent attack. The Persian. Gulf. Country Taleban has an office said there will be restrictions on their passports and they won't be able to come back to Afghanistan. But the decision lift Co. Body on and other survivors wondering why their government listen to foreigners but not them. winning. Are we not your people about the asked on TV? At. Least Three prisoners in the group are accused of killing American troops but the trump administration wants the peace negotiations to move ahead the president wants to bring down the number of US troops in Afghanistan behalf the November election. Now John is a former Afghan Minister of mining. She worries that the White House is too eager to cut a deal our universe values of human rights, women's rights, minorities, liberty, and freedom. All of them were state Niehoff spoke recently on his doom panel set up Georgetown Institute. For Women, peace and security. She said Afghan women especially concerned about the outcome of these talks. She said, they don't want us there countries slide back into the dark days of Taliban rule when women were treated second class citizens right now, a number of of one woman leaders receiving training on the Islamic. Rights that how we can these end with the Taliban. There are a few women on the negotiating team. Fauzia Kofi a prominent Afghan politician is one of the she's been pushing for women's rights for years. That puts her at risk last month. She's the wife an estimation at. Another politician before a forty tells me, she has been taunted to my life is kind of a stag between home and office I can go anywhere I can run anywhere. I can walk anywhere for forty is the twenty seven year old mayor of a province near Kabul back in March the US. State Department. Recognized her work with the International Women of Courage Award. The same time I was receiving threats from Delhi. Bon. By a what's by twitter she says, she shared the messages with Afghan. Forces I was really scared and I told them that I am already targeted. But after this award discount B. Wards just days after return to Afghanistan gunman attacked haircut. She survived but was shaken like others. AFFARI is concerned about would deal with the Taliban with me for her country. She wants the bloodshed to end wonders how much more Afghans will have to pay for promise of peace. For the world I'm She Jafari. Drug company Astra Zeneca, and researchers at Oxford University have hit pause on the trial of their corona virus vaccine regulators say they're reviewing safety data after a potentially unexplained illness of participant. The vaccine is in phase three trials. It's being tested on thousands of participants in Brazil South Africa the US India and the UK professor Shamir Muddy the trial in South Africa says the. Pause demonstrates the rigor of the independent oversight process assessing the safety of the vaccine is the reason why studies such as these is century Africa before the widespread use of the vaccine here to explain what all this means is Ian Jones. He's a professor of virology at the University of Reading in the UK. Why put the trial of this vaccine pause? Can you explain that? Well. It's probably true that the symptoms that the individual is experiencing could be plausibly related to the vaccine itself I mean. Clearly, when you trial anything in large population up to thirty thousand people, they're all. In this case, you're likely to encounter situations where the individual is. Suffering from something purely as a coincidence at the same time this they are participating in the trial. However if these symptoms that they show. which could be related to the vaccine. Then I think it's corrected. The trial has halted until as a full investigation of the symptoms in that individual. In what typically happens during a pause in trials and? To happen before the trial starts again. Well the giving out of the vaccine and placebo will now be halted and they'll be a thorough investigation of the case history of the individual who's reporting the symptoms and in particular they will be looking for whether or not. There's any indication of a co infection with something else which could explain the sentence. And rule out any direct causal effect of the vaccine. If that data looks satisfactory. I would think that the trial would resume fairly quickly given the urgency. Probably within about a week. So, in terms of a setback and getting the vaccine out into the world does represent a a major problem. I would say, no I would say all of the data today for this accent, and of course, it's not the only vaccine. There are many programs out there many of them quite similar anchalee to the Oxford vaccine. They've all suggested only minor adverse effects and relatively good immunity data. So I don't think this is a major stop go finding at the present time, but it would be nice to get to the bottom of it and know perhaps if there's a small population of individuals for whom the vaccine is not advised. In how worried are you that this whole process is being rushed and are you assured this week that nine companies put out this joint statement that they with science and would not put out a vaccine? Under political pressure, for example, until it had been thoroughly vetted for safety and efficacy. Yes I stand by that I. Think. This is unprecedented situation and it's really pushing all the levers to try to get vaccines. Developed as fast as possible so that they can have a prophylactic effect. And you've got a set that's also against the fact that vaccination has been one of the major. Themes in healthcare which has given us the longevity that we enjoy today. So. It's easier time when there is very little risk around criticized vaccines. But the fact of the matter is they're extremely important. They have a very good safety record and they have a very good chance in this case of actually providing some therapeutic benefit to the current pandemic. In Jones Professor Virology at the University of Reading in the UK. Thank.

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"ian jones" Discussed on Power 105.1 FM

Power 105.1 FM

07:32 min | 1 year ago

"ian jones" Discussed on Power 105.1 FM

"The healthcare professionals who are working around the clock to keep us safe thank you all from power five point one the the place with all right my question can't quit because we figured what dot com check it a couple I just the that's one of the city's most called because if you don't do right just it's a small this is tremendous strap with red the fund check tell your friends if we can be friends when you do this every week that I was KeyBanc second make sure you check out the boys in New York weekdays six PM on W. W. B. R. the one well everywhere with the nail number one world route twenty one and I heart radio station we with the breakfast club number seven I need to good I need to when you go let's see if you like it I love I'm going back to go get a find out the price of the Robert you go I need to I need to with so many that was the number seven joint from the baby now let's get into our interview with Ian Jones right I'm DJ envy in this weekend with the breakfast club well how are you how are you doing this pointy they all right and I'm then you still out here fighting because you are using your voice to ring the alarm on how coronavirus is impacting the black community and and and and the the prison system in America why should we be using our voices to speak on that well I mean because we got two point four million people are locked up bigger.

"ian jones" Discussed on KIRO Radio 97.3 FM

KIRO Radio 97.3 FM

03:21 min | 1 year ago

"ian jones" Discussed on KIRO Radio 97.3 FM

"News the quarantine lifestyle has created a number of relationship repercussions some people get forced together and some people get forced apart and sometimes the kids get caught in the middle his Rachel bell for many divorced parents the quarantine has put a wrench in their normal custody schedule of my ex wife and I we have joint custody right now number years back she moved to Yakima we haven't exchanged my daughter since the last weekend in February so I haven't seen her in well over a month at this point Eatonville Ian Jones is still going to work and his ex wife is not so they thought it was best to keep their daughter in Yakima for now my biggest fear is every day I come home from work is bringing something home you know and I'm taking a lot of extra precautions anyway but but it is scary Danielle from Seattle is in a similar situation she's a working single mom but the code nineteen sat down put her son's dad out of work so they decided to send her seven year old son to his dad's house on the Olympic peninsula where he has a big backyard to plan and a parent to do school work with so now it's been over three weeks somebody that I had spent time with thought that they were exposed to code nineteen so I had spoken with my friend's father we decided that we were going to I just an extra fourteen days aren't you my son stay over there just to make sure that I didn't have any symptoms luckily these parents have been able to work things out for themselves Bellevue family law attorney crystalline Reese has been getting a lot of calls from parents who need help I'll be seventy five percent of my calls related to this our parents who if they have a history of not getting along and finding joint decision making a difficult thing definitely the majority of people who you know we understand we focused the call from the state to to maintain civically parenting plans in Washington have a residential scheduled it split into school and non school time but now we don't have physical school anymore a lot of the parents are trying to figure out if I agreement they can switch to a different schedule that makes sense for the kids the other calls are from parents who don't think their child is safe in the other home who don't think the other parent is taking quarantine measures seriously typically you know we always have the availability of what we call the family law court well because our commissioners and our courts staff need to be protected that the courts are closed and we have a new term in family law called mission critical if something is done to mission critical we can take it to the courts if we believe that a child is actually exposed to true harm and it's a pretty high burden it's not just I don't think the parents wearing a mask or something like that we do have the ability to go to court right now but the court is saying please really try not to so please do what you can to figure out something beyond that for most families there is nothing they can do but wait this out it's been really hard you know we have a very good relationship my older daughter and I and we're used to seeing each other and my son is five and they're very close my son is is really been Messin and asking about and it's hard to explain to a five year old Danielle hopes to spend a little time with her son soon but then he's going back to his dad's I don't have the baseline for managing home schooling while working from home unfortunately for me it means far less time with my son this year and we don't know how long this is going to go on for car radios Rachel bell eight fifty one.

"ian jones" Discussed on WGN Radio

WGN Radio

06:38 min | 2 years ago

"ian jones" Discussed on WGN Radio

"Kane is sponsored by Chevy drive Chicago dot com log on right now and enter to win the Chevy Blackhawks custom laser take your best shot the write a letter one by the hawks only mono wheeling with the puck behind the net put it up in your site for Kirby Dr but it's bad it back in behind the net minutes later cook fired around taking a break point by Michael dell Sato who fired and that the flex one o'clock yeah one the right wing boards soon what is taken by Devin shore fifty they'll settle right point put down along the end boards who will sit down with brownie and told me to put up the right side the break and shot the puck down the left corner of the dock in fills out a runs into curry doc docx get the puck more than it's spun him almost down to play this one bounces at center ice the Lori Abel further down the board into the Harkin and behind the net animal Chris will take it back reporter Duncan Keith facet of the left wing Matt hi Morlock line put over the center ice circle next Jones took away from all of the lawsuit Rick could you will the hawks visit back in will hot zone to both questions I had the high more it's still spent down in behind the dot net gives about the plan of the near side boards to Sam Steele takes a hit or miss the point the hawks along with your boards by Max Jones through the park brought the end boards to both quest for the past of the right wing could feel for the man she shot across the rank near a good brand some of the ducks takes a hit and sent down the board behind a hot out in front of a point blank shot by Jones a score next Jones was patrolling the slot looking for a pass just like that and he got one and with three thirty seven gone in the hockey game he makes it one to nothing animal by carts because the deadline change talk was dumped in deep good for checking pressure break to Anaheim ducks players whatever if you try to make a CD fast but he was under pressure the park right along the lower denture couldn't find a way to get it Jones was right there in front of Quinn Billy was coming off the bench and was trying to get back into that position but next Jones beach into it the kids six one two hundred twenty pounds picks up his fifth goal of the season arcs down one of them is Jones from Andre kasha and as I said the goal at three thirty seven in the dock in the side of the net writing gets laugh passes the puck across three to add a memory the Senate back across to the near side gets left gave up the job of the Tate case racing downhill along the and glassware by Manson **** is not free by Khan will include your order Josh Manson got to it pulls out the sixty degree wedge of a set one up the center right slap back in Conor Murphy justice in the near corner will pass we had to change left wing at center ice what was taken away by helpless learned all the ducks to deal with the puck back in the near corner the duck into good prince of the city don't forget a line change Tim Fowler now out to center ice pressing the hawk model left wing deal struck a parked on the boards behind the neck rolls around on the near side good Branson printing for the right point of aportes into the corner to keep it alive ducks get back and then almost give it back in the near corner Max compote try to put a pass out the right point for good Branson toffee sticking out double hundred they're put it out in front carpenter whacked out that was blocked the way yours came with it again against the right wing boards right point cancer put down on the floor kneeling under their goalie model if we corner resident behind the doctor came less circle it looked like it hit the mask of Gibson man fell free into the far corner to good Branson he's wearing a carpenter's the clear sincerity smocks getting a line change model slings it back down the left wing glasses down behind the docket role street a curvy dot the right circle tied up by cart around the park taken back by Jones of the ducks actually Isaac Linden's moved to throw down into the locked in the hawks rebel clear as both pushed shot a pass up the right side off of doc second down in behind the duck duck to get it back here's a passer bys by Jacob Larson near the box cart around it's the popular one point four sets of Larson one point seven on gold winner was down in the butterfly position to block it was behind the next one of background Larson again for the last twenty players misread direction toward the net book was sent it back around again Larson will back down the board back in behind the locked unit goes up the near side the regular the pass across the ring we don't have the part check the way at the blue line the ducks get position make a line to use one of the Anaheim thirteen forty left in the first with the pressure on the hard to serve their own in the days defense are pitching in to the way down the standings remembered was going to call for reporter please remove the world will get some opportunities accident takes a pass from Brett could jul rolling the right circle then right wing corner right the flip it back the point next Jones in there to bottle things up knocks the puck Frida Kahlo shown at the duck blind the Josh Nancy Drew center ice put the puck in the hotel to the right corner to slide behind the desk you too low winds around the right side for his accident he lost it down to the corner the ducks and still try to center it is bad it back into the far corner by two to one Ian Jones battle Jones both support the market in the near corner to construct the right point Manson hammers a shot for more hands on they could do a three cent raise his axe Minnesota doc one right wing takes his he fires a shot this deflects away into the far corner an old hands it off the technician by Jones captain let point model put down in behind the duck yeah really tried to center came back to win in the corner down their state well certainly when bill put the line the model he fired a backhand this on top of the goal line and stop we're gonna get a whistle and with the red light time out they may take a look I don't think across the line Jonathan saves was right there and he just can't believe that Gibson got a piece of that kept but other than that all right.

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"ian jones" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader

KNBR The Sports Leader

11:25 min | 3 years ago

"ian jones" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader

"To carry radnich and Larry Krueger on KNB are six eight. Well, I'll tell you what champions do as they get better in mardi Larry in a few minutes to from the legal point of view on what's up for the giants, but Andrew bogut coming back to the Golden State Warriors. And you know, obviously, they need a little help defensively. It's well documented DeMarcus cousins is far away from being dominant. It pretty good game over the weekend. Yeah. Offensively. But have you noticed? Mike Scott dropped in twenty two. Yeah. I thought that was that was a good game to watch. I tell you that Philly's got a lotta talent. But the warriors without Klay. Thompson course, seventy Sixers didn't have Embiid. But that's a that's a good move. Is definitely getting bogus. But I think it says speaks about how what a defensive liability DeMarcus is and now you gotta wonder if Poggi and bogut are gonna mash are they gonna get along. But I mean warriors won that game Saturday night on an I it's much as Golden State wanted. I mean, Philly lost it when when Philly decided to foul wants Scott decided to foul KD and they're down three in. There's thirty seven seconds left instead of playing defense and taking your chances. You're sending a guy who's almost a ninety percent foul shooter to the line. And you know, he makes both house a huge gaffe by Philly, and you could see Brett Brown knew it is soon as that foul came down. It was like oh my God. Scott, what are you doing? And then your guy Ben Simmons who had a phenomenal game his line was they had nine turnovers. Oh, yeah. But I mean twenty five fifteen and eleven I mean when when when a guy like that wants to back you down Allah Magic Johnson. Are you going to do? Now. What are you gonna do? Just doesn't do it enough. Yeah. It doesn't do enough guard guarding him. If I was I was him. I if I was filling man back him down take whoever's guarding him. Get him on your hip dribble. The left little dribble to the right baby in the lane. There you go. There's your unstoppable, I don't think I've ever seen a guy though. And that's such a bad outside shooter and free throw shooter yet, you can't tell if he's right or left handed when he's inside right now uses both hands. But boy he's handed what shoots from distance, and it is bad right now. But down look out when he tried to force up the bat, you know, the the intentional miss free. Throw is also not wise. So mean, Philly made to gaps at the end that really kind of cost in the game. But I I think bogus. It's interesting because they need, you know. I mean, they kind of nice game. At Damian Lee. There's I liked the bench, but they don't have a still Donut team. I mean, DeMarcus is not a defender they've missed what they had earlier in the year with Jamie. Ian Jones, and maybe bogey gives it to them. I was looking at his numbers. Gary eleven points a game eleven point six boards a game. He's still a sixty Australia. Yes. Shooters. We still doesn't make his free throws. But he was the MVP and the defensive player of the year in that in that Australian league he played for the Sydney kings. So I mean, I know their season and by the way, just ended. So he's in shape he's shaping role. He didn't look great with the Lakers. Let's be honest last week looked at them that was his short sample size. The you're right. They got rid of him fast. Yeah. But I mean, he I to me it's invaluable I made along with your here's the question bulls, potentially. We're gonna buy out Lopez. They didn't. Would you rather have Lopez? Or would you rather have bogut him in some ways had rather have bogut from the standpoint of he knows the coaching staff? He knows the system, and they know him. Yeah. Robin Lopez younger and fresher and better. But I'm just saying as far as you know, these guys temperament, you know, his personality. He he knows I can get along pretty much. You think I don't know his minutes first time around and pretty much. You know, he he ended up being if I'm not mistaken, like a twenty minute player didn't seem I didn't hear any big gripes or anything like that. Wpro. Finals. Yeah. You know? And and he just took it took it because he wanted the ring and he was a team guy. I think he I think it's a great pickup because you know, if you take on a new player at this point, the final what twenty games or whatever's left, and you know, you look at the thing and you're saying, okay. Do we do you want to change your dynamic, chemistry wise, anytime you had anybody on a football team and not a big deal because you've got fifty three guys baseball team? It's a bigger deal on a basketball team. Every personality that comes into that room is a huge yields only twelve to fifteen guys on the team. So you can upset things. So to fact, they brought in a guy that they know and the guy who's a defensive force in this rugged and kind of tough I like that. And I think it will push cousins to be a little bit better on that into the floor as well. Just just because bogus. They're you know, he got the guy who got squeezed, though, is bell that pretty much you would figure that maybe. Yeah. Yeah. The last couple of games. He's played Purdue. Love the way, he looked the on the break in this game where he got the ball in the middle of the floor. Just quickly. Swung it out to the corner. I think it was a dollar somebody in the corner for the three bell is, you know, is understanding his role, which is, you know, just get the ball to somebody else in the half court. Don't shoot the ball. But he made he gives you stuff. He wasn't even look at. Larry you see him a subtype? He doesn't even look at the basket. He knows hey. And and some would say that's smart move near the end of the game. You can lay off him and double team who you have to. That's that. I think is his achilles heel. So you can say the same about Simmons right now. Did you see where Draymond green was playing Simmons? Yeah. Free throw line. That's why Simmons has to drive or get down low and have somebody. But anyway, that that's why the warriors are who they are is that that's an unusual move a guy that you got rid of a couple of years ago. A obviously couldn't get a job in the NBA goes abroad goes home. And yet the warriors I think we can make it work and they bring him back. You know? It's funny. Everybody thinks you know, if you look at the odds the warriors are overwhelming favorites for the three peat, but you look closer at it. And you go weather three and seven against the top five seeds in the Western Conference there three and four against the top seeds in the Eastern Conference. I think everybody's expecting them to kind of flip the switch last year. They were like eleven or twelve defensively. And then we're the best in the playoffs. They've even slipped further. Now, they're like fifteen sixteen there amid pack team defensively. And I think they're looking to make the flip that same switch. It's gonna be really difficult though with 'cause. Yeah, you keep hearing, and it looks like the people don't fear the warriors. Like, maybe they did in the past. But here's the thing. You gotta ask yourself. Yeah. Teams get up one game. Great. They play the warriors right to the finish. But can they do it four times in a seven game series playoff team? That's focused. Play. News was good. That was good the MRI and Klay Thompson sore right knee came back clean. So, you know, I don't know if he'll be in, you know, on the floor tomorrow night against the Celtics. But it doesn't sound like it's serious which is getting it. You know, they're they're going to be champs and less curry got hurt. Now curry got hurt. You know, you could say that about any any really good team. I guess, but I think curry is is a whole thing. I mean Durant. Great. But I think curry obviously, drives them the playoff didn't get hurt. Their today's today they put out the playoff bracket if it was today. You mean the NBA season ended today? Golden State would take on the Spurs in the first round the four five in the west will be Portland Houston. So they'd get the Portland Houston winner in round two, probably Houston. Right. Who beat them three times this year? They would then most likely get Denver. I would think in the in the conference finals and Toronto. So in the finals, I was just looking at it just because I say Toronto because Toronto's in the bottom of the bracket right now in the east. I mean, this all could shake out differently by the time the thing, and so it it it's worth noting. But Milwaukee Orlando is the one eight and the east Philly Boston, Gary right now would be a first round series in the east. That's the four five. That's pretty good. That'll be damned and then Pacers Detroit the three six so Toronto's in the bottom of the bracket. So Toronto gets Brooklyn in the first round today. As of today the Indiana Detroit series winner in round two, that's almost like a rubber stamp trip to the conference finals where Milwaukee will have battled the Philly. Boston winner in the conference semi. So they they may Toronto may show up in the car in the Eastern Conference finals against a beat up Milwaukee or Philly or Boston. You know what I mean? So I on paper it looks like right now Spurs rockets, nuggets raptors. Well, be your warrior trip to the three P. Just I'm looking LeBron and Kyrie Irving boy Q of the biggest names most exciting names. And I'll admit I'm a sucker if I see Boston. I want to see what kyri Irving does. But they are just collapsing. I just saw this data look at this. Larry they're nine and two without him who Celtics Celtics nine and two without him. And we've talked about this at length. He wants to be the one man show. And you know, he's diffused these other guys in the Celtics who were good and you'll Gordon Hayward is averaging in the last five points a game. And that's why we I I think I mentioned that last week. You got a guy making thirty two million dollars, and you shouldn't even be playing. And of course, if I'm the Celtics are we going to get him back. We're going to get him in shape. We're going to do this defensively Brad Stevens and had a huge injury. He's clearly diminished, Celtics. Warriors tomorrow night Celtics are nine and fifteen. Yeah. Against teams that are five hundred or better. So I mean they've struggled all year. It's funny Irving things are gonna flip a switch and get to another level in the playoffs. And I know there's a lot of people in the east that feel the same way. They clearly have the best finisher. You know, if they can if they can battle you for three-quarters, then it's kyri against your best finisher, and I'll take Kyrie. But man, their chemistry is awful. They got the vibes coming out of Boston. Don't seem like they're gonna make some big run. They I think Philly gets them in the first round. These guys are all pros. That's what you have to remember not all pros. But I mean, they're they're professional basketball players if you got LeBron and Kyrie send it out daggers that you're the reason they're not winning. These guys aren't gonna respond to him. Both those guys, you know. And I think that's a problem these guys. Hey, it's not my fault. It's not my fault. And there you go. Both those teams are really in bad shape. Marty Lurie on here and. We'll talk with with mardi a former lawyer about what's ahead on the Larry Baer also. Yeah, we have Dave Lombardi at eleven thirty stop and bite from the athlete talking Niners combine Marty coming up here next. 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