20 Episode results for "Ian Ian"

260. Cunning Cats

LBC Election 2019

1:58:53 hr | 3 months ago

260. Cunning Cats

"Ian ian. We had that question about visiting people in prison. If i get imprisoned will you come visit me and when you bring a file in a cake. I'm just i'm a little bit word. Why why would you be guy to prison. Well you know on winston apart from the normal q. You wednesday. When i may or may not. I deny of cooled our prime minister. It's what it turns out the in poland. A writer could yakub. Zoos each has been charged. And may face up to three years in prison for calling the president a moron in a facebook post. So i just. I'm gonna pick law right now. I'm just looking out the window in case the boys in blue come knocking. You seem to be under the misapprehension. That polish law applies in. This country doesn't even apply in this country year. You're right we've got rid of all of that nonsense and so you you're proud brexit here. Do you think i'll be all right then. I think you should be fine. Will i escape the slammer. Boy isn't it. it's today still pets. Everybody got one wouldn't stay podcast. Yeah what about bill. For more than actually maybe especially. If we're not on former wednesday because then nobody will miss. It hasn't been an enormous. There have been those demos there. I mean i think to be honest with you. People interest abiding by the lockdown rules. If it wasn't for that that be crowds of people. Think he's right. Police horses to attack took a biting political satire. Have you seen these pictures from bristol. The is wrong with bristol. Note to be fair to bristol. Which is a lovely city. I do believe it is acting a somewhat of a magnet for people who want to make a point. At the moment. I think people are traveling to per still also gave the lockdown rules across in order to protest when there were riots in the nineteen eighties. Am i think bristol was a hotbed of activity. Then wasn't it in some pools which i gather is should we say one of the less salubrious parts of bristol. I think it's it. Was there were riots in some polls. Yes i mean. It's quite lively politically bracelets. All it's a bit of a sort slightly radical five to it. I was doing zoom thing for justin greetings organization fit for purpose on monday with current smith. Get we both went to the university of easy access. So we she was the she arrived the year. I left though so we didn't. We didn't cross save her but she what she is quite character liked her. She's great yeah. She's lovely right well. We've got lots get through today. We've got a long list. Should we go through or should we. Should we let people be surprised your choice. We might be surprised if we get ill. Yeah let's just go for it okay. Let's i'm freight. I think we should start off with our dear friend. Alex salmond itchy talking about the cat among the proverbial because i did predict. This didn't just going to say we starting with this in because you predicted it and you just want to be able to say. I told you i saw your tweet completely. Forgotten the unpredicted and say thank you for reminding me to remind dear listeners. How i'm right at least right because ian. Dale said that he thought alex salmond would stand in the scottish elections against the smp. Well he's going one step more than that. He set up his own party on journal. Quite sure. I didn't see the press conference so i don't know if you had sort of mass ranks. You really should have seen that. It was fucking hilarious. I mean if you're launching a political party you want to exude. The air of competence. Do you know well. This was a prerecorded thing Initially i think i'm by russia today. Honestly it looked as if it was he. He's he was standing behind the platform with a blue background. And the lighting she we save wasn't very flattering. It was very dark and dingy and a bit a bit sinister and he was there. All in black mean along the launch of cd fascist organization overseeing wasn't i should make clear as we know how litigious osama bin could be and so he then announced that he was forming the the album party and then he said and here are three of the candidates who are going to be standing in the list system so they go to two women who would be number one on the snp list and decided they would fight. They would sign with him instead and then slightly strange looking toy type bloke. Who is standing thinking cheryl somewhere and then it came back to him. He clearly felt the video was still going and he was just standing there and he had a cough. He just waited and it was excruciating. I imagine a few heads would have rolled. But i thought it was very indicative that there were the first two candidates he showed will women. What do you think the subliminal message of that was. i think this message is the laws of liable. Of course i some of the allegations that have been made against me may not be true. Everybody i'm just pointing that out given that he hasn't actually both a to accept any responsibility. Apologize suggests that there may have been anything strange about the culture in the organization that he was running which lots of other people have him. He has admitted that some of his behavior was inappropriate. But that's as far as he's going. Oh you will say given. I mean as we touched on previously this is of course not only about the characters of alex salmond nickel surge and this is about a situation in which several women have alleged extremely inappropriate behavior from him and so far. Nobody seems taken any responsibility for that. bart leaving that aside Would you like because you think you're invited by jonathan abi to explain the niceties of these scottish electoral system. I'm what it might mean to. As he argues he's going to try to build a super majority for independence. No go where meet about it. Guys essentially just slowing not really well. It's a bit germanic. Isn't it in that follow slightly the german electric system where they have constituency candidates and then they have list candidates and how many msp's are there in the scottish parliament. Juno look it up researched in research and pretend we did it before we started recording press pools. We could go out but he is no. let's not. He is only standard so his argument. I think against because presumably there could be a bit of ill-feeling from within the mp that this man has set up earn a party in opposition to the smp. Which of course he has. He's he's denying me sets up a party against the mp very what he's doing more than denying it he's actually saying he's trying to help isn't he. Because the way the electoral system works is that the snp if things go according to previous situations the smp would win lots off seats in the constituencies and therefore would not receive very many of the regional list candidates and his argument is i'm only going to stand in the regional lists and therefore i'm going to get some pro independence. Msp from those regional lists which we can add to the smp's msp's and that creates the super majority for independence and makes it much more difficult for boris johnson to resist an a referendum. There is a bit of logic in their one hundred twenty nine seats in the scottish parliament. and seventy three of those. I think are constant individual constituency so there are twenty seven nine fifty six list list. Three multiply little so he could. I would have thought. Maybe say ten of those now. If i was the scottish green party who've been doing quite well recently and they they kind of hold the balance of power. I'll be really worried by this. Because i think it's maybe they who might be affected more than anybody else nichols. They are like half. Pro independence aren't they. They usually vote with the snp but they don't. That's an interesting question. They vote with the smp on some of their policies. But are they pro independence. I don't know well they are. They are they seem to go along with everything. The smp does and they want to get back in the us. So i suppose that's the logic of it. We are living up to the charge. That is made us that while you letting knows. English politicians talk about scotland. They don't know anything about it. I never stopped talking about as i think we undersell ourselves on our knowledge of scottish politics done quite well so far actually so this is now going to be the only show in town. Isn't it politically speaking terms of the elections on may the six. No one gives a damn about english local elections now. No one really cares about what happens anywhere else. Apart from scotland. That's where all the political reporters are going to go. That's why on saturday. The eighth of may when it's all counted. That's where we're all going to be looking. Well i think people are going to be looking to the west midlands where toys may lose a merrill seat but apart from that i think would be mostly just on that. Let's deviate for second. As as i want the police and crime commissioner election in the west midlands. Give me your analysis on not. Because i was doing zoom thing for was to award conservatives last night with jackie weaver michael fabric was doing it was sort of hosting it and Jason saha the tory candidate Was on as well. And i see the tory pc candidate. He's the one that used to produce us on sky news pay per view that you remember is he yes. Vote for now. I well if he's the west midlands. I won't because i don't have a vote in the west midlands. I only hope for west mercier. Yeah so removes to show you yet. But worcestershire is not in the west midland. So he is he the west mercier candidate for the west midlands candidate because he lives in sutton coldfield actually can. I just say they're punctual in guy. That's what portion. Then we had to do this thing. Called zoom wanna one where we had to certify to ask them all to put something in zoom one. I want light room one. I won and i was petrified that they were gonna come back and say well. What would you put in soon. 'cause i was gonna say accent dude loy but i didn't have to only go. He's a captain is what he calls himself in military background as well. Yes it's been a reservist twelve years. Obviously i will be supporting simon foster the labor candidate in. Did you. just look that up. Did you even know that he was standing. I did know that. He was founding. Although i had actually forgotten instead thinking i think he's putting putting your political commentator hat on rather than your labor party supporters. Hatem a chance that the tories could win that. The pcc and action. Well it was quite cer- pro that they they have. They didn't win it last time. So the previous. Pcc is former mp david jameson and of course. What was the surprising thing was that the mayor currently is andy street conservative and it was a bad day. Philippa when sean simon. The labor candidate was beaten by andy street. That was seen as a very bad results in the west midlands. And you would think in times well it indeed You would think that in normal times. A labor candidate should be able to win the west midland's mayoralty and in fact police and crime commissioner because it covers birmingham the black country. Coventry solihull. So yeah there some. You know there's plenty of tory votes in there but there is that would be a natural labor majority if things go. According to plan underscores the labor candidate for mary's limburg. Mp who's not to be misunder estimated. He's a very very clever and strong campaign. An idea think beards. Go down well with electric. I think that was my that was my into anti ted not enough waxing. I'd got to that age anyway. Back to scotland. Oh yes well it was just. I was just disputing. You'll point that nobody. We looking anywhere apart from scotland and you have demonstrated that the west midlands is in fact. Very interesting comparatively. Not or. i mean you. And i look at it but all of the political journalists are going to just look at scotland although because we we know. That city is going to win in london. Don't we so that's not very interesting. Why are they not sacked shawn bailey. Ah is it because nobody else. Stewart to lay all our think the optics of getting rid of an ethnic minority handed. It would not be particularly brilliant for the conservatives trying to persuade such job it will land. He said you must be bloody joking. We'll any sensible person. Said you must be bloody joking is said you must be joking. Light roy in the early days. But i admittedly i did say well. There's a slight issue. I don't live in london out the conservative party. No no no no no if you work in london. Apparently it's okay. But i thought well that's not gonna wash Unless i said why. Why would i want to devote two years of my life to something. I know that i can't win. I will have to raise all the money myself. Because you buck is aren't going to give me any and and i i just don't anyway i would be hopeless Ended up being three years. Yes indeed. I didn't know that she benita who i like. A lot had stood down because of the extra year is the term candidate. Yeah so i mean. It's not going to be a terribly exciting racing. London could be a surprise you to hartlepool by election if you've seen the polls in that what they say Labor thirty eight thirty nine. Tory thirty eight. 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Yeah i've just been just been listening to the actually before we started doing podcasts. They've had relish avi con- this week and i have to say the their podcast. This week was equally a shambolic. They kept having to shut the door and stuff and it was quite heretic. Always always makes me feel better because they're like roman johnny come lately compared to that true and they all the bbc the peak of professional broadcasting but another fi glover anecdote which will enrage obviously you know his favor eight. No he still favorite causes along with jankovic. Stop shit store. you'll makes i. You know matt our listener. Who sent me the nicky campbell. Farmhouse in norfolk or do well. He's now sent me Eight additions of sunday service. The i present. Which i haven't listened to yet by downloading them not too long so it takes time to tell do so i'm i'm transfer them onto my phone so i can listen to them one on driving into work and pretend i'm on the radio the radio. It's really oh blue when when you're driving along and suddenly you like sometimes they'll put a primary in another program and i'm driving or something and india long. Lbc clip from a program get many primaries nowadays. They say so. Good at self promotion wash. That's true. obviously. I'm not ubiquitous on the radio. Like you ian ring patriot boy the other day and he went. Just a minute of turn you off first for. Is he going to you about cutolo. We haven't done much serious today. Solidifies commentary from the. They've had some incisive political common. Show the scottish parliamentary elections. They fall we scotland opponent. What what they want to think. Well let's move onto the eu showy Now i'm a bit confused about what's going on because i thought that the eu backing down on all of this vaccine export stuff but all the papers. Well the two papers. I've read this morning and it seems to still be on the table. Wasn't it that isn't there an interesting distinction developed between individual member states and particularly some individual member states and the european commission so us von delaying continues to to cover herself in whatever the opposite of glorious awesome very good and she is the one who is speaking up the fact that the bulaq could block exports. If a didn't feel the astrazeneca were providing what they needed to provide to european countries however some of the sensible voices in new by which i mean does have quite often been our allies incidentally like poland belgium to certain extent. Merckel abates a saying. Let's be very very careful about this. Because if you start a trade war on a vaccine Exports what happens is you may face retaliation and those Elements of the vaccine which have to be imported into the could also be blocked. So they're sort of being sensible about it. Plus you've got the other interesting thing. I saw this week. Is you've got macro beginning to turn his sort of attack onto the e you for the failure to deliver the vaccine program as quickly as it could have been which is a bit of shifting responsibility just particularly when he was the one that was signed to the eu. No don't put lots of autism for pfizer and astrazeneca because we got the synopsis. Once he should order all that which across the then digs are usually bow down to france once a an an hey presto the snuffy one. They failed they. They haven't got one You know the. I am a big fan but this whole covert experience and i can't make my mind up whether or not it's it would have happened. Whoever was leading new or whether live on the land has been particularly inept. possibly both. isn't it interesting. That sean claude juncker has come out yes her and the policy an. I'll be kind as i move ever said anything positive about jean claude juncker. But i don't think it would have happened in this way under him. I think he had got a bit more experience. A bit more about him To do maybe what needed to be done. It's interesting as interim stephen gethin sephora the other day about his new book on scotland's place in the world. It's on the book club. Podcast and i. I kept trying to get him to understand the point that if you are proper independence party why would you want to go back into the eu. It's totally inconsistent You want to withdraw from the united kingdom union. But you don't want to withdraw from the european union. And i still can't quite understand that logic of his position. I would love to explain to you. What is argument actually was by akam and one of the things i such as you know if scotland was in the eu now you would have gone along with all of this vaccine stuff so you would have had fourteen percent of your population vaccinated now. Compared to fifty percent of england. And the i would have been a problem for the smp. Oh yeah but we wouldn't have had to go along with us. You would have done just died all the twenty seven others. Did you would have done yet. But that's off. We've had this argument before. That's not a fundamental fault of the eu is a model. That's a fault of the way that they've behaved in this particular case. Of course it is. I totally agree with that. But the fact is scotland. Had it still been in the eu would be in a far worse position on vaccines than it would than it is now possibly well no undoubtedly possibly but i don't think you believe that scotland would have gone it alone. No i don't. I do believe that if the uk was still in new we could have had quite an influence over what happened. I also find it. I mean to go back to earth alah and yonker you right. I mean he the i find it. Strange that somebody can be a failed minister in a country couldn't go to the eu and then get the most senior position. It doesn't feel like she's made. She's being in massively successful politician in other parts of her career and she isn't being a massively successful. Eu commission president now ashamed to say the least what happens with the president's is the right person for the job doesn't get it because inevitably as a successful politician created enemies along the way lightining blair Did over iraq bus padres more. Why he didn't get it at the time. And then you get jean claude juncker. Now now you go live on the line. A second rate politician. He was a complete and utter failure. As defense minister you talked to any german doesn't matter what their politics are not. That's what they will tell you. She was an. I mean she looks nice beautiful she she's welzer dow she's very well but she's hopeless and i think she is. Now i'm not going to use the phrase was going to us because it's not nice phrase but she is basically. I can't think of a nicer phrase to use the. She's toast isn't she. Basically yes bart what happens to. I don't know what happened to toast in the eu and i was talking to a highly acclaimed eu expert yesterday. We'll panting around the woods counting zone public. Nothing like talking about the you to get me a little bit hot and i can tell you. That kid commented on good morning britain. You've got lovely. Yeah yes. I killed a bear again. See i didn't look at a bit lang actually difficult because the way my camera was positioned in front of my laptop. I couldn't see the tool really. So i i did peer round at one point county that because it looks onscreen as if i'm hearing 'em what about our. How rude was that talking about my hair. We're we did it. Come up but it didn't in your case did it. Don't remember alex beresford. I think brought it up another week of fucking fellow slap head which across the daily express rights up as me fierce eight against alex. I mean i how they go away with this. I really done because. I put the video while you think well anybody watch a video that can see it wasn't it was. It was a a jovial jocular remarked. Indeed anyway the important political point was about to make walls. I don't know how and if you can get rid of an e you commission president. I you know it's because it's not you'd going to say time. How she yes. She house but didn't they wasn't one that they did get rid of. I'm trying to think who it was. My board sauce to jerry. Well today sometimes people email or they tweet and they say i find. I get locked political education from listening to all the medical two hundred sixty. They feel slightly ashamed. I own my god. I hope i hope you got that right there. The whole loads of people wandering around the country saying things completely wrong because they had them on the phone many the way we are being entered again for the british podcast awards. I did that in hungary. So cat has been compiling entry and she had to ride the blur bed. Apparently you have to put. How many downloads you. How do you know in the last year. We've had more than two point two million download way. Yeah that's not bad. As it is brewed admittedly most of them are the same person download fifty times a day. No it's quite grumpy. Brilliant but but we don't win again so she choosing all listen. We too edgy for them. They don't understand they haven't got us yet. Oh i'll send you the entry we transfer. They've used a bit of the one that we did for the joke. The bonus fund the jaycox yet. were that there was one of coaxing. Wasn't i love have to say shocking. So entirely represented by the way. Did you just not serious face on now. Watch caraway's documentary. We talked about this on window. Did we well. I have now watched it. Neither of us had watched it but it didn't stop stalking well. Have you watched it now. No i have not yet. What well i did. Watch it yesterday. Because i've written a review of it for a reaction which will be out tomorrow which i find it very difficult thing to do. Actually because i wasn't sure how much to make about me. no democrat. Is you have a history. Which i think we did. Good stay put in a new idea. But i think. I've done it in a reasonable way and it was in martinuzzi editor of reaction email afterwards saying he thought exactly which i didn't ask him for what he thought that he just sent it anyway. Thank thank goodness. You think that. Because i wasn't sure whether it was right to go into that anyway. So should we move on. That's move on. I have a problem with my laptop in the mouse. Stops moving sometimes now then have to use the nipple basically shut it down and rebooted then it all goes back to normal. I'll have to do that about ten times a day. It's getting very bloody laptop money. No it's it's the two of you train. I'm gonna have to do something about you. Saying is because you're about to shut down or you download you saving as you going along. Don't want any of this quality stop-loss napoleon so if any of our listeners have any advice on lenovo x one carbon mass pat and how to get it working properly. I'd love to hear from. By new own tight oss though day that's right. Let's talk about lockdown powers and vaccine passports because that's what everybody else has been talking incessantly for days. We did talk about this bill on wednesday so we don't dwell on it too. You would've voted presumably for the power to continue not months but for three and to be vested in the hands of the home secretary alone. Yeah no you want to have all of those. I would have voted for them to Continue because clearly we are not yet out of the pandemic chris. Witty has been very clear that we're going to be actually suffering from covert in some form or another for quite a long time to come and despite the progress being made of course. We're this podcast. Two days before we go into be able to meet together in our gardens and outside with five other people. So we're about to have the sort of next stage of the release from lockdown. But then we've got another few weeks to go before we can have all hit on So his head on yesterday is he looking awfully honestly. He was like a bully. Mammoth and he kept when he came back Dude has to go as well even though oversee for jack. Russell don't need the but he goes to his nails start. Five thirty five. Quit for governor and ten created dude. I think that's quite good value pay. He came back looking like he'd won the lottery. Masao happy because he'd been a bit down I think the weight of the fo is starting to get him down a lot of down the weight of all so he was very happy little dog last night we eat roles anyway to return to the point. Yes i would have voted for the lockdown rules. What time was having a bit of a run tomorrow on good morning. Britain on friday was the prime minister's dead cap maneuver at the liaison committee and i suggested the british version of what happened in number ten as they were preparing the prime minister for the liaison committee. Why somebody said to enroll conspiracy theorist listen. I have been in number ten. I'm not saying that this would be the only prime minister who would ever come up with a story to distract. But i suggest that possibly what they might have said. Is that affect cooper chair of the home affairs. Select committee is torn a strip of pretty patel on the basis that our borders are woefully leaky and failing to prevent Covert from getting back into the country and various mutant forms and she is going to raise that with you at the liaison committee. And therefore what can we do to distract from that. And the prime minister or somebody around him poorly privacy go. Oh i knew look. Let's talk about You have to propose road to have a point. Okay everybody talking sure enough. That's what he does. Despite the fact that the government is currently undertaking a review about whether or not there should be some sort of vaccine possible and that gets all the headlines and that did have a go at him about the borders and that didn't get the coverage that i suspect otherwise it might have done. It's just a responsible. I mean it's politics but it's irresponsible. Because roy lay the government is carrying out this review looking up whether or not you could have some sort of way of recording. It had the vaccine. All that you'd go. Antibodies off that you'd recently taken a negative test. And that might be something that people could perhaps. Then choose to use as a way to grant access. Let's say two pubs or two cinemas or the ever but ono is headline possible for a pint is a distraction. It is entirely possible in a two hour evidence session. He just blurted out because he has been known to blurt things out before it seemed to me as if he was slightly musing about it breath than being in any way definite about it. But i completely accept. It was the main headline to come out of it. We talked a lot about it on my show. And there's a real split opinion on this. In the i started up being wholly in favour but i'm now sort of slightly doing reverse ferret i think and i'm not sure if i was an mp. I would have voted for an extension of six months. Because i think the other. Probably a deadline abstaining. But i think the in duncan-smith abstain on the basis. He thought six months was too long. And if the lockdown was effectively finishing at the end of june and then it should be done at the end of june and if needed to be renewed. Then we'll renew then so. I think that's what i would have thought was a reasonable thing to do but i'm pretty sure whips would have got me on site in the end of week will have said indulge. Dealt you want to be the secretary of state for transport if so get in that division. Lobbying with the government would have obeyed careerist. How many times jockeying your parliamentary career. Did you vote against the labor government. Never exactly i rest. my case. politics is a collective activity. As i used to people invited into my office. Jesus up to a point but there are conscious issues while you might want to express and it was a conscience issue. You wouldn't be whipped if it was a true conscience issue. Whoa yeah but those those some of those that are were people feel strongly about apolitical. That's not congress. You it is. That's their number being sanctimonious refusing to anyway. But if you show me a rebel show you a traitor. All into trouble quite rightly in the brexit. Referendum yes you're right. When i used that word remember the occasion was someone rightly. Uprated me for it. okay. I apologize to those labor. Mp's like jeremy vaccine passports for domestic. Use i mean. I think we all agree either for international use. I mean it's inevitable light. They were at easiest domestic it. Super listen i. I'm also agnostic while i'm not nasty. I'm undecided yet. Because i think you have to be clear about how it's going to work and their issues of both principle and practice here aren't they so in principle. I tend to take the view. That it shouldn't make vaccine is compulsory. But you have to live with the consequences of not having a vaccine and practically all of these arguments about realistically pops. I mean not full of fifty. Somethings who've had vaccines are their full of twentysomethings. Who won't if out there vaccine so w- what are you going to. How are you going to test that. Secondly you go to the the people you know you don't tend to have security guards on the gates of pubs usually And it is very very different situation to have to in a position where you're employing somebody to potentially prevent people from coming in. That's just very very different vibe. And i can understand therefore why republicans are feeling that. Perhaps that might not be something that they want to do. I i thought it made more sense of things like where you have to book a ticket for example that that might make more sense but anyway it's difficult which is precisely what is a bloody review going on a why any responsible prime minister wouldn't have just blurted out imponded about it or whatever it was he was doing okay right. Let's talk about. It was the prime minister's hair. That's the reason why we found half. it did. Look a master. In that i mean. Honestly that's his distraction is now. I've told you that. I've stood with him whilst he's missed his hair up in advance of a told. Yeah because he's a flipping charlatan. That's why only going to prison again. That's increased your sentence number six months. I've always thought i'd end up in prison. I don't know or just you. Jeffrey archer book his prison. Doors world. three. Jeffrey just it's like a guilty pleasure but he doesn't have a good story he does. Actually i completely agree. I haven't i've read. I read a lot of his earlier books. I haven't read any of the later ones even though i've interviewed him about them. The fourth among equals i thought was fantastic. At the time i equals. Oh yeah fourth my equals. There are four of them now. There is a story behind that because remember bill rodgers. The one he came to me saying. I want to publish my autobiography so gone to anybody really know who you this was in nine hundred ninety nine so it wasn't. It was a long time ago. Anyway i read it. I thought this is pretty. It's really really interesting. Really well written. Say i said okay. I said bill with the greatest respect. This is not going to be a best seller. But i think it's the story that needs to be told blah blah blah. So he'd got. I can't remember what he wanted to call it but it was really boring title. I said no. Now i've got. I've got great title for it. Can afford fourth th among equals anyway. He was really offended by this. And i said but you worked kind of the least jenkins sharon williams david. Thirteen the labor cabinet under callahan. But you weren't sort of in the public size what she sorta grudgingly. Xl terry unkind. So we created this cover using exactly the same fund. This jerry lewis. Jeffrey archer had fought for first among equals and i'm bill to his credit. Did finally admit. I was absolutely right. It's a bit like john. Knox memoirs. John mccall it here today gone tomorrow. You don't just want to be remembered for that. I said all remembered for one thing. I'm afraid that's one and it was absolutely the right thing to do is brilliant title for the book how to be gone to that from vaccine pulse bills because i talked about having a jeffrey oh prison. That's right so. I called the prime minister charlotte's and then i said i was going to go to prison. Then that reminded me. The this is shaping up to be a classic sizes near we have another. Thank you for all you do yet right. Let's want to china. China has imposed sanctions against nine people in this country. Most neum soon to be tori. Mp's i'm sure that they will be frit won't they. They're actually in. My opinion rightly seeing as a badge of honor. In duncan smith being probably the most sort of prominent of them But also including baroness helena kennedy. In the lord's i wasn't quite sure how they friend my friend but she's absolutely right. Good for i say and I mean they quite serious sanctions in. They can't travel to china if they had any assets in china they'd be frozen etc etc. But actually they're not going to stop them talking off a and they have highlighted in some ways they don't piloted the issue and enabled us to hear gain from these people about how dreadful some china's activities are the main vs hong kong. The the week is etcetera so i would have thought they're not too bothered about being sanctioned. I was a bit disappointed not to be included on the list. Oh i'll take the opportunity now to have ago gone well. It's hard to go many times on the radio. Ask attacked whether many people at the chinese embassy. Listen to the full. The many podcast. But if you do could you said both of us to wall street cred. Nothing but good. Your country is a disgrace to humanity in the world. Do you think that'll do it. Possibly to when you have carried on we might have to go on a bit more but that should it. Shouldn't it well. I made a twenty minute documentary about the week is before it was fashionable to talk about. You were talking about it before doubles up as in very outspoken. On what they've done in home comb breaking international law. You have pushed the government. You with before. Dominic robb was that went. Yeah yeah yep sanction. The man function recognition for it whatsoever. Well apart from from you yes from me. Yeah right back in great detail. Let's move on to joe biden's press conference. I was driving clapton. No i was driving to london on Whenever it was wasn't stay listening to this on l. Bbc news our sister channel. 'cause they do all of life events and i nearly dropped off. What because it wasn't interesting snooze thon on yet but nats that sometimes. That's good isn't it. Well in a way sometimes it is and the whole time. Of course you're thinking of the contrast between this and what trump would have done But he didn't really say anything it was. He said a lot but didn't say anything. If you see what a main. His nonce often news didn't commit news and he didn't. He didn't go to any journalists. Who were going to ask them difficult questions at all. They were all really softball questions. I thought But even when there was a couple that was sort of a little bit harder There was nothing there. So i'm not impressed by mr bud would be. But he's cheese actually achieved a lot and he is evidence that you don't need to solve strut around saying the arctic things in order to make an impact on your country you know. He's managed to get through a massive amount of fiscal stimulus package. He's opping the amount of vaccinations he reckons. He can do. Two hundred million in the first one hundred days and he's on target to do it. These are really important and significant things. Yes you've got some big problems to deal with. But he is actually getting stuff down and the idea that this ridiculous charge. That was made against him that he had that he was using notes. Everybody uses notes when they're doing here of you. I've got i've got a whole filing and i'm thinking about doing it very well as we talk and we'll just make sure that you know i've got a completely accurate i mean i'm i've got a sticker labeled scottish electoral system. I'm but you see we not. It's not like the good old days when i would be rigorously grilled Although i have to say you do tend to have a folder. But frankly if you don't know you key points you don't wanna be able to find why question time in the common these thick folds. Well how would you ever find anything. In the time of. That's why the opposition should always ask like five word questions. Yes not drone on and on and on and on because it then gives the Personnel in the questions time to find the the breeze. Mortar ottawa work. How they can avoid answering it. Yeah don't think any opposition spokesman asked longer questions. We get good morning britain did. Tv me Now have you seen any more about who might be succeeding piers. Morgan ben is doing. he's Bennys doing it. Monday to thursday. Isn't he now because presumably. That's why i guess did get ben plugs up time tells. You could be doing it monday to. We both hold the ben dozen capital gains back home friday. We say selfish. No i haven't who do you think you will plunked into the media. Love is do you think it depends. They've got to decide which direction they want to go in if they want to carry on the controversial since then they have to get somebody who's a bit of a controversial list but it's actually quite difficult. Think who that might be The names being mentioned s-o-f-i jeremy clarkson some people took me. I'm sorry who i like. Jeremy clarkson gone. But i i know you can't. That's why but i wouldn't want to watch him first thing in the morning To gently he's also not a proper gently. Some i mean the thing about pieces. He's he's you. Can you know lot often didn't like him and i didn't like his approach but he has at least got sort of journalistic chops and hasn't he. Molly doesn't cut encarta gms are suppose. But he's got to call him the sunday times where he writes all sorts of things never know he's done. Read it but being being mouthy and having you know controversial opinions somebody he pulls saying jeremy kyle o. For good i mean really. This is just is anybody saying. Katie hawkins nigel. For almost no that you would think if you look down all the different talk radio stations in the present on those the only one that would really yeah for are you can imagine already doing it but is he sort of particularly televisual an owner. You know in unkind. If but i mean you could imagine him doing the job in terms of grilling politicians and all that sort of thing. Because that's that's what he does. But i don't think that he would be Released today that maybe what do you have to be But it's very difficult to think of any of his net. I mean in a sense you could say no argument for not going down that road harley brew in the it doesn't why does it have to be a man. Would she get on with susanna reid tonight. Do they have to get on. Did susan get on with pierce. I can. She probably did in a strange sort of way. I think. I think what she very cleverly did was to. She knew what the act had to be and she dealt with it rather well. I thought misuse of the of the iro i roll. Yeah yeah she must be all of the moment so not named the features. Be as well. Yeah yeah 'cause you might mean you and sometimes you work together so long that you become as one you don't exist without me you'll nothing. Well it is true that if either of us left this podcast the podcast would finish. Wouldn't it oh thank you. Well i mean. I just don't see Having my little dalliances with whereas in caroline always come back to mommy and the end talk. Don't ever call me daddy daddy and of course if you left i mean obviously i could replace you. I don't know how to. I don't know how to work being a girl. I don't understand the technical electric. I i saw it on that one Yup cock. let's talk about bodily. Oh we moving from the black country to insult most of yorkshire yes west. you'll show. How is that right then. Batley grammar school. Warn earth is going on there. Well you had a teacher. He did something which you can argue this two ways you can say well teach is that educate and he was obviously talking about censorship and whatever he showed that the prophet muhammed cartoons. Well i i could. Easily argue had every right to do that but it was a bit stupid thing to do and of cool save now got protect. The birmingham situation repeated over again in a way. You've got protesters outside the school. The school has to close and go to online. And it's all a bit of a mess. I almost completely agree with you. It's incredibly difficult public policy area and it's one of those where i think i'm not sure izzy columbus. I tend to agree with you that whilst you should have the right to use what you need to use within school when it comes to religious education in all cases religious education syllabus tend to be discussed with sort of faith groups in terms of the way in which they delivered and there is something particularly controversial. Obviously about showing those cartoons however the short cartoons he showed was it was it was. I think it was charlie hebdo cocoa. Yeah yeah because it was a lesson about blasphemy. So As i understand it was anyway but the demo is wholly role as well and i'm sorry is not a there are. I'm sure all parents who are concerned about it but that is not a demo largely made up of parents. That's a demo. Made up of activists who are interested in using this. Just arrest them and put them in the back of a van kharlamov because that would have caused even because actually that would have been the equivalent of the dmv waiting in with a slightly. I think wrong aggressive statement. I i i think. And let's not forget that we what you've got in that community. I'm afraid you've got the sort of hard line. Frankly sort of islamist arguments being made and let's not forget that they are potentially not. Potentially they are putting that teaches life in danger because of the way in which they have named him for example and highlighted it. But you also on the other side hassle of hard-right islamophobic Tendency that will be milking this all. Its worth as well and it is an incredibly difficult and sensitive Events the has not. I think so far being particularly well handled although you see. I don't criticize the police on. I think. I don't think that demo should be allowed to continue but i think if you had looked every everybody in the back of the man and given the more for that particular point that would have been possibly seen as a little bit just under covid rules. It shouldn't be allowed to continue and it wasn't a massive amount of people either so it would have easily been easy to break up But i just chose to stunned around and let it happen. I don't think that's right in that particular circumstance. I don't think people. I don't think he's well all right. Okay i agree with you to the stanton. I never think it's justified to protest outside the school like that in an aggressive way. Either for the children off of the teachers. I just don't think that is is legitimate. I didn't think it was legitimate in birmingham when it happened. And i don't think it's legitimate there but the police have to make a decision about whether no action that they take is going to exacerbate the situation at that particular moment now. You've got here soon. Back office stuff other means so he's being this week. He's been doing this interview isn't he. He has trouble so enlisting among decisive political comment on dude come up like can always lorries wrapped up on the so this good boy on you say the boyfriend. Sometimes you will come to daddy. You're going to come to mummy cities you said. Look he's got two daddies and he's happy. Anyway look sharp. What were we talk about. Oh yeah this pompous bloody interview which he said everybody needs to. Everybody needs to go back to the used to load of expressions now. Can't remember but you know people need to wrap together in your face and ryan to get something like that something like that. It was expression smell like he was suggesting as a vibe. When everybody's together anyway it was all just nonsense. Because i think what will actually happen post coverdells. I think all of us will the way that we work. I think we will have a hybrid wave working. We will be sometimes in the office sometimes at home and the way in which we do that. I'm afraid where she soon you not going to be. The arbiter of how people are gonna work. Because why would you know. More about how work should happen than anybody else. And whilst on on a roundabout government ministers. The local government minister is his name loophole. He's an idiot because a never heard well anyway he has yet you him. He has this week sent out guidance to local authorities rescinding regulation that allows that to be virtual council meetings so An and as i understand it no flexibility. So you can't have a situation where you might for. Example enable some people to join a council meeting virtually perhaps because they've got caring responsibilities or you they were away with. Were or something like that we have. There have been things that we have learned over the last year that could benefit us in the way in which people are able to access work axis meetings and to just simply say right. We're gonna wipe. All that way is just idiotic. Seem line with this whole issue. Go get back to normal. You got to get into city centres. you've got to have. I got this right. The the government. The professors to believe in localism is telling her counts. Yes how they can organize meetings. Yes we'll have. A live just googled. He is thirty four years old notes about twelve. he is old man. I'm as minister of state. How can i have heard if somebody's minister of state. Yes because we old pasta. Ian link thornberry yeah. He was at bristol. Yeah needs to bristol avon. isn't it man. Well often as ludicrous. Get him on my show in cool into account my of never heard of you. What law yet. You're no such equipment because either it means on completely out of touch or he's made absolutely no impact on me at all. It could be extra wh-who's jacki weaver on subject of virtual council meetings with she get. If i'm honest. I was a bit underwhelmed. Is she and she been overexposed which she didn't seem to have an awful lot to say she did say that. I'm trying to remember what she chose to put in zoom one one and i thought believes that it in fact is of so unmemorable. I can't remember so then asked. If a few other things that the most memorable of which was black currants she hates black kearns was. she says she's not gonna let me know norm. I saw i have rice pudding. I like blackcurrant. Jam mixed him in lord lost pudding to be honest love. Rice pudding made one just a christian school. Dennis who you've not made properly dude like the school tuna jam sponge though the best thing though that you can have fiscal. Dinner is that really. Do they call it like chocolate concrete or something. Oh yeah yeah lovely and paps if you could have some pink on it. That was no pincus as disgusting. Enough pinko tell you. I have discovered the kentucky fried chicken max crisps. They are gorgeous. The trouble is about five hours later. They give you the runs so in fact any pregnant women outlook to another won the kentucky fried chicken zinger double something or other and they're like crinkly crisps and the quite sick And they're very very spicy. I'm sorry i have the same effect ten. Do all these strange new crisps. I like to stick with me. Walkers roast chicken. I i love orange metric but i also like that was to saul's french fries to those. You see not getting edgy for me just like a straight basically like a ready salted crisp. No missing are actually due to be very few. Get you exactly. Then you get also of metro-sexuals any start bringing these fancy schmancy tight slightly. Teach crisps irian tail proper combs bobby barbecue ones. Just don't just so cheesy onion ready salted and if it's not one of those i don't even get i get cheese and onion told brushed roast chicken all like preferably lightly salted t rules none of the rest of it quite a tools vegetable crisps per very healthy and they are quite wash. Your hands off delays other. Bits of greasy hands frequently. Anyway forget now. You've written our flags but didn't we do this on wednesday did we both should edict that. Make the by then. Did you know. I had forgotten this. The in the late. Two thousands gordon brown when he was going through his british face officers jobs for british workers. I'm i'm not really a of the bnp. Jackie but that was a slogan. I remember well so he freed up. You see he had the roy understanding about local government and civic buildings. He freed up buildings to fly a union jack whenever they wanted to because apparently they hadn't been able to do they need being allowed to fly them on special days previously to he said you can fly union jack any day of the year and then buildings could choose whether or not they flew them. That is the british way right. You free people up and they can fly the flag if they want to the idea that you get told that you have to fly union jack. That's sort of vaguely fascistic. And think the government needs to think again is under british and i am standing up against it will. It's not fascistic though. I think we can agree. That conway not because i just said it was but i think as soon as the words came out of your matthew regretted those words well shows you not fuck all about. Fascism is awful rotarians it smacks of all four terrorism it smacks of something slightly weird. I mean not far that fast about flags. I'm perfectly happy out my bedroom window. I can see the council house in great and they fly various different flags anne soy milk plus get one council house now. The council offices line. But it's like a big. It's not like it's moving. It's not like an office block for goodness sake. It's like a go thicky type of thing where people get married to knits. Anyway it's nice. I didn't got married in the planning office to cross the road. Because this i've reminded people is was before you could have a registry office wedding a civil wedding in a nice hotel or something so you had to go to the registry office and the property office was closed. So i went to. We went to the planning office. Do you know who is responsible allows but wedding in non registry office. I do charles branches good for him. When we found our discussion many means we have well. I think that all government buildings should fly the union. Jack all the time yes. I'm the buildings there. They offices of the state and the state is represented by the flag. And we're the only world that would even yeah as part the united kingdom. I'm thinking fly. That i think they can fly to can't you so they've got every right to fly the welsh one as well and and good luck to them so they should have no problem with the scottish back. We are the only country in the world that would even have this debate. Any other country in the world automatically fly their national flag from every government building. That's not true sir. Ashamed of their flag. They do philip public thing. I'm saying this without knowing. I was gonna say you. Reckon i'm pretty sure that's the case in most countries that say i'm going to do a tour of europe in fact i'm going to do a tour of the world. I think you should do a tour poland. But i will definitely not be calling the president a moron whilst thing few sort of things to finish off before we go to questions I wanted to ask you. What your favorite music. Kazaa asked copy guy a tool a musical. So for musical. I am quote i have become partial to musical in my old age But i you know. I'm quite you know me. I'm quite cool and energy. So i like hamilton which i seen twice and would very happily go and see again. It's brilliant I like les miserables One memorable song. Judit siri hold bloody weekly. I i went to see that in. The you know the theatre in cambridge circus where harry potter is. The my own is the my and i went to see it there. I remember don't years ago. And i thought when is this going to end. Oh no it's great. Might my oldest is a big les mis fan and we went in the olden days. When you could go to the theatre we went to see it in birmingham absolutely had a great time after well. If you think about it musicals are really. They're really weird. I don't they because nobody ever sings that way through Anything i'd i wonder how they even came into being. Why have you raised this what what has prompted you to bring this up because i listen to tim. Rice has got a really good podcast called. Get on my cloud strange title and he talks about you get off of my cloud. That's presumably the references. It might be passed me by but he talks about all the different musicals he's written and been involved in and it's absolutely fascinating and i started listening to it because obviously he was the one of the people behind which is my favorite musical and he's got about six episodes any plays songs that didn't quite make the cut all different versions of them and just a fascinating person so that that was really boy i thought about it but i can highly recommend him because it's really good. Cats have seen as well because it was like a circular stage. I was in the front row. And i had all of these pussies up against not for first time but but not your not your nine liberal. Furry cunning cats to talk to a podcast. I was going to come to daddy. But i think we'll call it. We'll see on my face. I'm not cooling. Also some very exciting news go on. I've relaunched my west till i die. Blog oh this necessarily excited about that. I did a crowd funding thing about a year ago because the site had been going for six or seven years and it was the creaking at the seams. So i raised five thousand pounds to pay someone to design niece. I shall we say my different russell has taken rather long time about it. But we've basically got twenty grand site for five. Granted is absolutely fantastic and he if you are west ham fan listening to this do have a look at it western till i die dot com. And i think you'll agree. It's rather coking's on quite proud of it so enough of your skepticism and cynicism bill blog k. In which i can lord up the performance of young all. Your kings for the english aimed this week senior. But i'm told you did very well. He did he did very well. Might john mccain for scotland while they only drew against australia in schools to do. But if you can't be some marino. Five miller isabella problem isn't it probably should have had more than five. Should and finally. I'm sitting here looking at the picture of my mom and it would be her ninetieth birthday today. I mean icon. She died when she was eighty. One yes eighty one. And i can't imagine her being ninety s really weird isn't it 'cause my dad would now be ninety. Two so yeah. My sister sent me a text earlier saying that she looked out the window this morning and she said whenever mum whenever it's a birthday they're always dear on on the field outside the back of her and she she always thinks it's a sign love to think it was but anyway so time four questions. I have so many email questions. i'm sure you alive. Seen there are a lot of twitter ones to crack on jen. Dego jin dargo did jackie nian. What are your thoughts on sanctions against china and subsequent retaliations which we talked a little bit about going far enough we didn't make a discernible impact on officials in china and have any positive effects on treatment of thank. Thank you really do in a scowl. Saxon which i thank you for all you know. That's my come com tom. thank you know. Sorry jen if that's name these now same please to know. I'm no good accents. A tonio quite good depends which one lily not not. I don't think that if you're going to impose sanctions made meaningful ones. I didn't think the sanction say father We the kennedy. Us of imposed are in meaningful in any way they just sort of going through the motions and the ones that china imposed in return are not meaningful in any way. Say i've always be the if you're gonna do it. Hit him hard right. Blimey foreign secretary into love to be foreign secretary. Yeah you'd go. Will you go a bit sort foreign secretary and a bit software needs. Do you think the. I'll have the edges taken off me and i wouldn't be as writers you wouldn't be now. You'd go all sorts of so. Invite the chinese ambassador. And saying i'm your excellency i really wish to make a vehement. Protests against government is doing. I hope we can agree that you won't do it again. I was discharged. Want to say that you fucking wanker fucking issue not a cup of tea on your fucking do what the british government toys you to do. Yep and he's out can not think they would make you feel better. Wouldn't it send aircraft carrier. It would be like that come by. Diplomacy were from halston. You should adopt the approach to being foreign secretary that you did this home secretary. Jack beats jackie hard woman. Yes do you have an answer to the listeners. Question okay he go sark who houses his description under his name. Hugo soon be a owns now. Nothing that's a good thing to put in your email signature. I'm afraid hugo qualified youth and community worker. Excellent but get rid of the bionz. No one's impressed. I'm i bet. Mom was really pleased. She was pleased with nine one. Oh my youngest is finishing his degree and then not having a graduation because of covert born. Honestly i'd love to the going to the graduate to graduations from my oldest absolutely to their face. The for hours always people. You've never seen route so proud. And then and then they walk up and you clapping really really loudly because you so proud. And they will vote. And fatima trees week photos now. I think i probably did. And you get those proud photos you sit there so long it would be useful. You know what is really wished to either by. It's used in these circumstances right hugo who have now mortally offended. My name is hugo. Guess we gathered that. Because that's the name on your email. You may remember me from such hit emails. Asking if you've played cards against humanity and started the limerick craze. But i have a serious political question this time how to splitting as a one nation conservative. Who under the cover of labor membership with site up to caverns agenda whilst he was pm. I find the term tori out of touch with my values. I'm practical myself. A liberal conservative. But don't ever use the word. Tory for ian do you identify solely as a conservative. Or do you use the term tori interchangeably. And what do you think the word tory being in the public compensation does for the reputation of a change party for the days of enough power station. Twenty eight and the nasty party image for jackie. What do you think of the word tori. And do you think ebeneezer new abbreviation nickname to move away from the toxicity of carbon ism. Finally i'm not looking forward to you. Not coming in my ears on wednesdays. Thank you now from your one dude. Listener defended them all on their apprentice. High street. I think this is quite interesting. One because of course the word tori was first coined was in the or seventeenth centuries and it was a term of obese and it is i think it is still used as a term of or maybe not abuse is used in a pejorative way thirty bio opposition politicians and activists and remember in about two thousand and ten michael. Oh god i forgot his name now. That's interesting clue. He was head of broadcasting for the conservative party and he sent a letter around all the broadcasters asking them to stop using the word tori to describe a conservative politician and he got roundly ridiculed for it into the blind find his spit of notice. But it i. I've always seen it as slightly pejorative word but it has become interchangeable with the word conservative but conservatives about themselves alphand. yeah yeah. I don't particularly like it. I use it i suppose. I don't feel that strongly about. I'm trying to remember if i use it. No one knows pejorative. I'm going to use in your in your foundation road trying to bring people together. Oh yeah that's right. Sorry earn more in common. Listen i'm nice enough to you can some others I what is the equivalent fillet talk. Wha- komeito students will be slightly sort of punt see tories. Well quite often say sta sushi. Yes that's the expression that's the sushi. Yeah which i mean. When jeremy corbyn was leader that that was a truism. Wasn't it well. Not most of the labor party. That was the problem and certainly not if most of our voters. I'm not quite sure what hugo means about what we need a new name apart from corporate nights i mean we. We not cool nights anymore. We that's the point of the new leadership in the new direction. We can't we can't use new labor that's term twenty five years old now. New labour new new labor really new labor brand spanking new labour new shiny new labor. Some of us will always be new. Right this is a great one for the mini fan has chose walkers milk unstable stale yet. Was it just gonna say what was i just. We played the clip on the program. This day and i just i to denise what was even about how it was an empty lockdown protest. Was he not just. I really don't know i mean i know. I've seen all the pictures of him. Branching his butler milk if he was it a bottle. I'll have my milk delivered yet. So if it was a bottle it was all my certainly delivered. So he didn't have to go out and get it anyway does not twice. And he delivers brittany hincks. He's got all sorts of extras to the doe in your negligee. Oh would you like to come put that into my fridge. I what why are you running away what you come back pay. Three boy would be very impressed. That you've let yourself down again right. Ian morrison unfortunately in you sent me a non joke which we've used before because unusually. I decided to read it. I'll just give you the punchline har- houses non removing here costume. I'm the bus driver that one told you just read out the punch so bad that we don't read my out. Michael edmonds is for michael in didcot dea who managed to get selected and served dea. Who didn't make the cop anyway. Moving onto the next question taking a right taking a look at the talentless on gb news. I wouldn't tell you and across the japanese marketplace to be informed are we getting too close to channels filled with comment linked to news items rather than actually news reporting. I take my knees from many sources mainly radio. Lbc radio p- though. I haven't gone out. The these jassem four written i feel correct. Your otherwise on television. We may be in danger of replicating the us multiple of news and followed with lots of commentary with little deep analysis. Eg dismiss msnbc formerly of fox. News and jack tapper on cnn. Perhaps i'm missing the days. When you watched robert dougal alistair. Burt but burnett sandy gall and richard baker they told you the knees and therefore follow up. He went to panorama this week at cetera. Then you way you were. Should i worry thanks for all you do. Ps i traveled with you for all two hundred and fifty six shows and recipient of any entail signed book. Well it's actually this. This is episode two hundred and sixty. I think was it to sixty nine. I'm but thank you for your company for all of that time. Michael i think you make an interesting point The thing is that there's nothing wrong with mixing news and opinion. But you do actually have to have the news as well I'm sorry having this. This discussion at the moment is to. We're going to slightly alter the news hour and obesity of the next couple of months and the the the feeling is that Believe believe it or not they want more of me in it. I can understand that goodell. They want more of my opinion. Now i i keep saying your knees. Our people catch people at seven o'clock. They there isn't another news program on the radio so they want to know what the day's news is. Do they want to know what i think the days needs. So we've come up with a way of doing it. That isn't sort of too intrusive with opinion so that will be fine. But i do. I do get the point that if you look at what. Gbd's seems to be. It's not a twenty four hour news channel. That's not the intention at all. It seems to be a channel of our or to our programs which are actually going to be quite opinionated. Well that's fine if you have a breadth of opinion i'm not sure i see that breadth of opinion in the people of appointed safer. No definitely not is is that because that's the gap in the market though because to be fair in this country. We've got bbc twenty four hour news and we've got skype twenty four hour news. Both of which are pretty newsy and you can be pretty confident that you're getting the news. Rather than a lot of opinion in either of those and the gap is something a bit more opinionated. I mean i'm not massive fan of very of that type of thing but you can see we're nowhere near america alway terms of not having those channels that you can depend on for reasonably objective. News agree incident. You should that you should well. You're going to. But i. I do sometimes listen to you in an particularly do. Listen to the news hour because is news a time at which you can't get anywhere else. Yeah and that's that's my view. So i mean it's not going to alter drastically. I think the other thing is because i'm going to be presenting mainly from the westminster stadium feature other less the square. We wanted to get more to live gasoline to interview which at the moment we can have them but they're all of the screen and it's not the same as when you go. Somebody's sitting opposite. You so come. May or g oversee that that will change so we might be. We might use rather more live guests than have a lot of packages which we tend to do at the moment. But i switch the four. I need china. Because i want. The news does like it when they have these half hour segments a sky news. I can't believe this there from the seventh of april at six thirty every evening. They're going to have a half hour. Climate change our. I mean is that really a clamor for off our climate change program of unite. I don't think so I wish they'd do to seven thirty. Everyone come over to the radio. Bizarre decision bizarre editor. It's meal fight. It's a big issue but there are so many things that you could say. Well let's do half an hour not every day. Let's do half an hour every day. But i think people switch on the news channel to get the latest news. That's where our sister station. It will be done brilliantly and if you compare them to. I mean even like bbc london. They have far higher audience. The bbc london does even though they have a shoestring budget compared to radio london. And it's the news every twenty minutes and it's news weather travel Few interviews news weather travel few more into be so whenever you switch on. You know what you're going to get and that is really important in radio. Yeah yeah ok you give them a good plug. Damian wilton chile. Do another one dan. Who'll which party talked about. But he says we'll summons new party take away from the smp vote to share possibly paving the way for labor resurgence or even increased representation for the conservatives. Well for the reasons that we've said. I'm not sure that it in in itself will pave the way for labor insurgents. But i do think the anna sawar is doing rather well and i thought he got the tone about unac- summoned exactly right yesterday in in sort of talking about the way in which the i mean. This is the in one way anything that he can say. But there is a massive focus on independence and internal party bickering appointed which the we still coming through the pandemic and they're only other broader socially shoes that clearly labor want to focus on and he's doing quite good job of bringing those the four. I thought i think he's at a reasonable start. But it cools. Everything will be determined by the elections in may and if labor can come second and that will get that really will give him a flying start but not sure they will. I suspect console will still come second. But the intervention of valid salmon's party could throw everything asunder. Somebody's in one of the scottish political commentators right yesterday. This was the best news. Possible labor So we'll see. Simon ilford says i know it's hard to think of many men as a police and crime commissioners apart manny bottom and city. But could we have some drag queen names for them. Well oliver turner's being bit remiss. In dry queen names in that oscar pub couple of episodes. They're all ever get your together. We could have some police and crime commissioners but so government dragon queen names for lead a drag queen named the american politician drag queen names. Am i think some german politicians that is a rich mind to hunt to mind to harvest seem to mind Then he says given you fill to skips at it's three now from your bonn. What is the strangest thing that you have found. Oh ronald reagan squeaky toy. Did you know. Put it in a skit. Matome politicos check. Politicos is turning into the indian. Jumble sale it really is ok. P did jackie in. What do you remember fondly living through the seventies eighties and nineties pointer. How old we are my own. Each decade did you. Groove to the disco the disco music during the seventies with the bell bottoms and platform. Shoes do do you have avocado bathroom and earthly colored floral papers back then. Listen i did have in my bedroom when i chose the wallpaper. I had a brown background with little flowers on over. I absolutely loved it. And that was so late seventies. Actually i had a companies my bedroom at home from the age of about eleven or twelve. I had one of brick wallpaper. Paper one wall of pinewood wallpaper one ball of Sort of football player will paper. I was on the other one album. Great how my mother allowed us. I do not know. It's not there anymore. Have to say. And i did. I used to were wedges though. There was a story behind that We went to cambridge this. I was about fourteen or fifteen so it was one thousand nine hundred. Seventy six seventy seven and we used to go to cambridge to all of our shopping so we went to buy some shoes. And i said to my momma some wedges not having those ridiculous things she said anyway i did a kevin and throw real strope and so i found this prayer. Which is i wanted. So i tried them on but they actually a bit too small. I was so determined to have them. I made them ever wore them again because they just my with two big bell bottom. Did you have sort of trip bell. Bottom trousers with james on the side pockets did have a bell bottom jeans. And i had i had this wonderful Purple shirt with daisies old aware not to school. Nope taught like that. But seminal fashion is like politics very sensit- clinical isn't it so in the nineteen seventies. Then so i had my my flowery wallpaper. I also had my basically rollers and david custody posters teams. I was more david kosten. Say the nielsen. Shut up in the one thousand nine hundred eighty s. I had some fabulous fabulous. Shoes is after all lives and in the nineties obviously largely all. I was lots of vote labour leaflets. Because i spent most of the nineties getting elected trying to get elected to various different thing. I have tony blair. I have a tennis goal. Poster noted three people off. The sun pitches hashem from brookside. All over my walls. Amanda amanda amanda thing. Is the thing about her. Tractive woman verse went on to update bodies. She stay night out as well. she's she's she's older than us isn't she. But she's got good bones. I'm sure she still looks very good. Boomer bees can still act a solo. United sometimes on tabloid newspaper websites. You read the article. And then below them i have all of these outbursts michelle ryan look the age of thirty six and but whenever you click on them to see what the people do they. Didn't you have to click on about five. Other things going to get malware if i do this so it never both yeah right erin says happy passover to you both a two. Fold question if you keep your door open at supper this evening as we do for elijah who from your party. Who from your past life. Would you want to walk through that door to join you for supper. Wants more and why my mom. My dad spit predictable. Isn't it okay. Well let's let's see let's say apart from al-savah happy of apart from them who my grandmother. My mother my best friend one of my best friends who was my best friend university and moved to the states and i only very periodically tough contact with her. That it'd be awfully yeah. That is a really interesting point because at my best friend is in america's world i haven't seen him since twenty twelve I'd love for him to all through the door without. Yeah you're right tenure forest. If you're listening to you know you to listen occasionally to this podcast anyway. Elijah elijah our another question. He says and ian you are one of the greatest host and interviews in the country say as a guest on podcast and shows over the last year. What's been your favorite interview to do. Who's impressed you the most with the questions iron have anything to say about me. No he hasn't. I did do one one of these. Sort of like biographical interviews And it was spy icon. This is terrible now. Because i know he's a listener his name freddie closed. That's it He did a really good interview with me where he had cleared on his research and he asked me questions. The haven't been asked before by anyone else and that is a real talent. I think in those type of injuries. 'cause i mean given all the interviews i don around the book and everything a lot. You do tend to say the same things because you get asked the same questions and it's quite difficult to beat. Give original answers to every single interview but he really got under my skin in a way that makes people haven't So i'd say he was one in the united with them Richard sefton on his state of mind. Podcast i mean again. I said things in that. I hadn't said anywhere else. And and that's that's the skill of a good interview. Isn't it to get you to get you to be original into savings that you haven't said elsewhere indeed next while you that cubans. What sorry even isn't even worth my even bothering to say anything. This is so you know. Because i can't be bothered to think too much. Here is a question from mark warner. He says i'm addicted to vodka and pepsi max cherry. What's the strangest food or drink combo. You love is a strange but i used to like vodka and russian and it would be Smirnoff vodka and this mixture drink called russian which i think you can still get a ping as injuring is it is up. Because it's angostura bitter pink gin and you can't just drink on. Its own so that current was always my favorite. Drink all yes. That's very state. If it comes up again really. Is i stay for three weeks without one. First time i ever got drunk at university of tell the story before. I think stuff but anyway i ended up going back to the to norfolk terrorists. Which is one of the ziggurat buildings era. Where i had him and i went straight to the live and threw up in the league. It literally was black guaranteed color for three weeks afterwards. So you think if that can do that to a toilet pam what does it do to your stomach stomach. Indeed island like i'm not sure about drinks I'm quite traditional with my drinks Obviously i like margarita with the salt. That's lovely on the food front. Remember i did. I have introduced quite a few people to avocado mom. My on toast it's lovely. It's very nice breakfast. I it and i am. I have of course been willing to break my very strict hot cross bond rules. Which are you should only have. Traditional correspondent shouldn't have orange chocolate salty caramel or any of that other nonsense. But you can have mount suspense as cheese and chili. They are lovely. I hear great things about your victoria. Sponge with prominent avocado icing apple with a recipe in liverpool signs of political life in energy from the liberal. Democrats seem to be rather rap apart from an upwards blip in the opinion polls in one thousand nine hundred and ultimately didn't benefit them at the ballot box support for them seems to be stuck in the single digits. They seem to be struggling to decide what their purposes and what they stand for. I think campaigning to the left of labour up until the two thousand ten general election and then governing on the right has real has real identity crisis both within the party and the general public. I don't believe it is just angry. Voters with low memories that is keeping their support life but essentially of completely razed that political identity. And there's a very visible void about. He wrapped present like a drink with no flavor. You cannot tell whether it's tea. Coffee or double vodka that you're tasting. Some question is all the liberal. Democrats finished as a serious political force in british politics. Are they facing decades of relevance or even eternal irrelevance and a very predictable sincere. Thank you for all you do. Oh and if you're going to attempt my accident time at the end of the spectrum for a scouser so think of sounding more like cherie blair and cantered unless like wayne rooney and i can't do any form of scouts through l. Democrats finished no. I don't think so Ovo at davies and finding the way to cut through the moment you see although it is a difficult time for opposition parties as we have pointed out with spectre the labor opposition. It's not proper politics at the moment. So i think we'd have to give them until we've had a bit more of a sort of proper normal politics to see whether or not they can re energize themselves. Those quite a bit of chatter against davey in my liberal among some liberal democrat friends I was still going for the safe option. Was maybe not the right thing to do. Okay jo swinson. Didn't work out. But i thought even though she would have been a risk. I thought lebron was light here to give divers fillip than at davy who is in many ways very worthy but account ever really imagining inspiring the in a way that political leaders need to do they have to be careful about churning their leaders that want any Although i'm not sure that matters particularly i don't think there's any move to get rid of otavio yet but you never know a hello. Oh hello good did you go. I said that yes of dissipated. Ni- y sorry. I did you hear me saying they're going to have to care about churning. Their leaders also didn't think it mattered. That somebody else this ross. Who wants to talk about kissed on his first year. But we're going to do that next week. And because that will be the anniversary. So i'll keep your email for then Do you have an. We need to finish in a minute. I'm duty to goeke. Run ten k have you. He had my friend shangri who he spoke with a title politics. He now lives in alexandria and yesterday he did a charity. Ron for fifty five miles. All around the perimeters of washington d. Gun doing some high is really going. Some thomas With the creation of album. Is it fair to say. No lessons learned from change. You can go into nineteen no isn't fair because it's a different electoral systems we've discussed Sorry i'm just looking at. If i've got one final one hair of with something we haven't talked about but This is from. I don't know that you say his name. What he calls himself a hopeless. Jesus politics this is really good. One dear uncle in an anti jackie. i'd like to be kept. Him gotta kept him anonymous. But i love story of hellish political teen romantic tragedy. You like the swim. I go to school in leicester naturally tori part of leicester to be precise and have done. Since i started my gps's i'm labor member not a blairite but not but not a better soldier. Soft left the girl in my math class. Who are being romantically interested in. Since the beginning of my time there. Since i love this somebody who's obviously fifteen or sixteen using phrases like being romantically interested rather rather than saying somebody shack listening to the full. The many i've sent her all the non jokes he featured through instagram d. m. and she loved it. We began to get really close halfway through lockdown talking about everything under the sun he wants gave me some political discussion basketball. They call it and we engage in a conversation about the ethics of palm oil romantic. I know once school. What did you do with the palm oil at once started again in september we spent even more time together discussing many more political things around mid october. Doing one of our none joke combos territory. I asked her about her ideology shock horror. She expressed admiration for nigel. Pharaohs you keep on the more nationalistic wing of the tory party. What i said. I'd always imagined her to be a lefty given her believe climate change. I don't go in for this. Overly partisan stuff shunning toys etc. But you can imagine my surprise as connecticut when she spoke of her desire to fox hunt and her hatred of new labour. Anyway we still stay close but not that close if you get me. The humiliation came thursday lunchtime in the canteen. She's sitting behind me. I'm talking with my mates. I hear one of her friend. Say what do you think about the person who sending this email I hear her. Say yuck and i quite liked him. But all that lefty stuff just with cloud my vision then hameed stands up and asked me at the other end of the canteen. Do you want to go out with this girl. Of course. I naturally deny thoroughly embarrassed my mate says to me. You got no chance with her. Was my vision. Clouded did i expect my beliefs to be similar to hers. How was i say moronic. Please give me some agony. Aunt and uncle advice steve. Thank you for all you do the last rocks and thank you for talk. Yeah very good good. Oh my god. I feel like i mean jackie magazine. I am Plenty more efficiency love. Yeah i wouldn't waste my time. Frankly if she's going to bad mouth you've been probably been a young coin lost space using guy. Even if you are politically deleted sound lovely. Now i think give up on her and try and find somebody else. 'cause i'm sure that even in leicester there are many many other Particularly to look at with with interesting centrist stroke soft left views. But you shouldn't. I don't think you need to define you want to go out with just on their political views. Scholley will you don't have to accept that. He is clearly. As i was at that age very very politically engaged and interested and i would have founded. I mean on a bit more lax. Now but i would found it really difficult at the age to have boyfriend. Who didn't you had very very different values to mine. I would have found that difficult. Because i was so engaged in a of different campaigning and activism. That would have been quite hard. So i've never taken that point of view tool. It wouldn't matter to me. If john was a cool benign but he isn't that easy. Who knows more than i am so he sink. But you never have have you. Have you ever had a relationship with an amino relationship. Took me you know. What have you ever had a relationship with somebody who had very different political views to you. Obviously apart from me No but i've never with most people hasn't been some answered by you. Need to know your politics. Go out with you Nobody emerges doesn't it. Yeah icon. think of anyone that would fit into that category name. I have got another non joke if you want to fit. Should we finish off with an jerk of you. Another one i would. Just no. I was going to just touch on monday or ryan says has to be mondeo as ian was. Let off this morning. It's worth noting this week. Isn't it that the final mondeo his being produced. I think that was the point. The reason why we go onto monday. Oh man which was a pretty significant monuments in new labor history. The point that it was the sort of characterization of tony blair's argument. That labor needed to broaden its appeal and to attract those aspiring mondeo driving with showed men and women so for me. Obviously that was pretty significant in the nineteen ninety s and it was quite symbolic full. Why new labor with successful two of a owner mondo dot com. Remember what. I never owned a monday but we may have had a family. I think we might driven a mondeo at one point. Think we did. I think a black manteo at one point when good morning britain. Text me on thursday afternoon said have you ever earned him on. Death upon earth is this about and i was driving at the time so i phoned the producer karen back we had about forty five minute conversation about cars and not only have. I ended monday. I've had to cortina's food sierras. Well i had the manteo. This is in about nine. Two thousand i think. Joan bought me a mondeo from my station car. Because i had audi t t at the time and he didn't think i should be leaving us at the station Because in those days agitate those very new car and everyone wanted. Yeah so he bought me. This eight hundred quid foregone. Day is bright red and a hated. It absolutely hated it Died my nicot. First car was a foot. Cortina and my second call was a fourteen. When i got sacked from a job in the one thousand nine hundred one hundred company audi cabriolet that go back and join them off me this wight ford sierra exile exile or something. I was like shit off a shovel. Honesty really was you up. We race material or breaking political news. Go on kenny mccaskill. Mp house informed the pay that he's joining examines album. He some of my office a pint back. Gosh so that's that's only starts long john. Cherries denied that she's going to though right final Non non joke from lisa. Who says the priests hike. The the priest lightly tapped the none on the shoulder and asked her to follow him. The prequel to weigh in the non quickly follows not far behind him. They arrived in a green behind the church. Do you know this one. Now he's had the riemann justed for the nonce. Do the same sister closed. The door said the priest. Jesus if something ever happens please forgive my soul prayed. The non sister lock said the prese leases. If something happens please forgive my soul prayed. Nun sister closed the window. Curtains said the priest. Jesus if something ever happens please. Forgive my soul prayed. The nun sister closed the lights. Off the pri. Pri said sis jesus if something ever happens please forgive my soul sister. Come here beside me. The preset jesus. I'm sorry for what is about to happen. Please forgive my soul in heaven. Pray the non sister. Look at my watch. Glows in the dark really honest more. I think that is about to hours today. Say i think can we provided the value for money that we always do even pays for it. I'm told that we nearly run out tickets for the same event on may the seventh. Oh roll up roll up. Kate shirk Invent bright number two. The all five tickets laughed because it says four hundred ninety two of five thousand. We have to have three for ourselves. So five hundred. Yeah so y- ca. Quick i shop. I'll show you how. We got to watson asset the maximum to four hundred ninety seven again but do that now Anyway that is about it for today. We of being delighted to have your company for the last nitty to us. Good bartrum cheerleader. Thank you for listening to this. Global original podcast. Melby see if you enjoyed. It would love it if you could leave a rating and review on whichever podcast app. You're using it helps other people find us you see and if you like this podcast detriot my other two weekly podcasts. The ian del book club where into be toppled is about their new books and cross question. 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20190710 Nicole Sandler Show -Stacked Courts, Endless Wars in Trump's America

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20190710 Nicole Sandler Show -Stacked Courts, Endless Wars in Trump's America

"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language viewer discretion advised without bringing democratic form of government could exist switching out in London Club looking out <unk> over London tonight. I like good evening from our C._B._S.. Newsroom in New York N._B._C. Presents Chet Huntley and David Brinkley from A._B._C.. This is world news tonight. Jennings in London Robinson in Chicago Lago and from our desk in Washington Frank Level Daily this historic legislation telecommunications law with eighteen better last when the press is frank pink full of a country free when the press is free. People of our country are in danger of Flavor E._D.. New Lynn for the week the information you and the views of people making the news the it's the knuckle sandwich y'all on the goes handler dot com and the progressive voices network welcome to a Wednesday and it is a busy busy day at that as if you'd expect anything else these days in America welcome to it. I'm Nicole Sandler coming to you live at three o'clock in the afternoon on the East Coast at Nicole Sandler Dot com a throughout the day on a number of different progressive online stations and of course we end the day on the progressive voices network Tuesday through Friday nights at ten PM Eastern. Today happens to be a really really busy day aside from having to guests scheduled to join us to go over stuff. That's happening right now Alexander Pasta. The Secretary of Labor is wrapping up his his press conference in which obviously have I'm not even gonNA. I'm not gonNA play for you. He lied. He lies with impunity he he's taking taking cues from his boss because it's still going on. I was actually playing the audio as I was getting ready to hit the air at three o'clock eastern so I didn't have a chance to pull any clips from it but I got a handed to ooh <hes> Maggie Haberman Katie Rogers and Peter Baker over at the New York Times because even though the thing is still going on they already published a story at the New York Times Dot Com and no unfortunately he's not stepping down down here. Here's how their story begins Labor Secretary Alexander r Alexander Acosta on Wednesday publicly defended his role in overseeing the prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein for sex crimes committed in Florida over a decade ago <unk> bucking a growing chorus of Democrat calls for his resignation Mister Acosta said he faced a tough choice between accepting a plea deal that was not as tough as he wished it would be and going to trial with witnesses who were scared to testify in in what he calls a role in what he described as a roll of the dice that might not result in a conviction and prison term quote. I wanted to help them. Mr Costa's set of the victims during a nationally televised news conference conference the Labor Department headquarters quote that is why we intervened and that's what the prosecutors of my office did. They insisted that he'd go to jail and put the world on notice that he was an is a sexual Predator heya cost to you know what I have to say to you. Oh I turned it down bullshit. Yes yes and I got my wallow. Sound working again only took me a few hours yesterday anyway so this is still going on. He is doubling down and it's just reprehensible a a few other things he went through probably ten questions from male reporters before he called on a female then what a second female tried to ask a question. He caught her off and said No. I wanted to go to Ian I. I'll come back to you. I don't know if he came back to her unbelievable so it's still going on yeah all right. There's other stuff happening today to <hes>. Let me tell you about some of the other stuff and let me start by saying yesterday. When gotTA laugh was here I was trying to relate to her? Something I had read earlier and I couldn't find it anywhere where well she found it today and it was a tweet from Heather K goal of politico who who said Speaker Pelosi essentially rules out the house impeaching or investigating Secretary Kosta quote. It's up to the president it's his cabinet. We have a great deal of work to do here for the good of the American people and we have to focus on that my memory was pretty good yesterday which is shocking to me because you know long term loss of short term memory but anyway I did remember the quote fairly closely and she's doubling down on it today this from politico this morning speaker Nancy Pelosi chided progressives in a closed door meeting this morning calling calling on them to address their intra-party grievances privately rather than blaming their centrist colleagues on twitter quote so again you've got a complaint you come and talk to me about it. Nancy Pelosi told Democrats according to a source in the room but do not tweet about our members and expect us to think that it is just okay end quote Pelosi's comments came during the first full caucus meetings since a major blow up over emergency board or funding last month between progressives and moderate lawmakers as well as a recent spat with representative Alexandra Cossio Cortez and her freshman allies. I gotTa Tell You Nancy. Pelosi needs to go home enough already in other news from today the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals dismissed a lawsuit filed by Maryland and D._C.. Alleging that Donald Trump is violating the emoluments clause of the Constitution finding that they did not have the standing to sue the president. The ruling obviously is a major win for trump who was frequently sought to prevent others from reviewing his private financial records. I'm not sure what happens next but you can bet I will ask our first guest and I still got a couple of minutes before it can call him. We're going to speak with an millhauser of of think progress. You know I'm not a big thing progress fan but I do like in mill heiser and I think he's really good at what he does in addition to being a columnist for thing progress progress. He's got a book out his most recent book is called injustices and it's about the Supreme Court so not only do I want to ask him about what happened this morning with us. Emoluments case and to find out what happens next and other words are we able to Congress obviously has standing. Are they going to do anything. This isn't just dead deal for for trump. Now is it because he is guilty of violating the emoluments clause of the constitution so this panel this three judge panel two of them were <hes> Bush appointees and won a trump appointee. Isn't that wonderful how that works ruled against US ruled in favor of trump <hes> but but I I know that that can't be the end of it so we'll ask Ian Ian millhauser about that as well as well the other reason that I have him coming on which is the the the the citizenship question on there was a bunch of stuff. We want to talk to him about so we'll get Ian Millhauser on the line and just a couple of minutes like I said we we solve a minute before I can call him. I'm trying to think if there's anything else that or oh Britain's ambassador to the U._S.. S. Kim Derek has resigned after a series of leaked diplomatic cables revealed he told the Prime Minister that the trump administration was inept and clumsy they are this comes. After of course trump said Monday say that the White House would no longer deal with the British ambassador go figure so there's there's other news going on again. <HES> WE'RE GONNA talk. Congress already has already filed suit. Okay good. Thank you so anyway. Let's get in millhauser on the line. Shall we because there's obviously a lot to talk to him. About <hes> in Millhauser is as I mentioned he is the columnist missile progress and the author of the book injustices in Millhauser. Thank you so much for joining us today. It's Nicole Sandler calling. I'm guessing it's great to have you here and we're going to get to what happened yesterday in in a courtroom dealing with Audible Care Act but I've got to ask I'm sure you had to have been like the rest of us and for the last half hour or so watching <hes> Alexander Kosta do a press conference on on the Epstein case. Did you Gotcha <hes> I mean I haven't seen much of it but I mean I know enough of the facts of the case though that this has no business being government anymore I mean this is the guy who was responsible for the broad a immunity. You play so I frankly I think the only reason he has his job is because the trump administration is so bad at personnel that they know that if they fire him you know I mean the last time they tried to find it a par- A secretary of Labor. The first guy was a wife so yeah. I think you're GONNA WANNA have to do that again. But you know in any scene administration this person would have been gone a long time ago without outed doubt but apparently he was trying to cover his ass. That's the technical term for what this presser was about and didn't and was given ample opportunity by the reporters in the room to apologize to his victims for keeping them in the dark talk about everything and in his response he does not apologize to the victims in case you were wondering it's just a travesty what's going on but the main reason I wanted to speak with you today in Millhauser and thank you so much for joining us as you were in the room yesterday during the hearing during the latest hearing on the trump administration's efforts to overturn and totally dis- disembowel. I guess the Affordable Care Act Now. Most of US believed that this was already over that this was settled law in essence but the trump administration is still doing this. There's a lawsuit that they filed to to declare that. The affordable care act is unconstitutional out with this is about this is nuts is what this so. The legal theory here is you'll recall the original affordable care act said that you have to either have health insurance or you have to pay higher taxes and the Supreme Court you'll probably remember remember upheld as valid exercise of Congress's power to tax in twenty seventeen. The Republican Congress zeroed out that tax so they said that yes like you still still carry health insurance joints or pay a tax but the amount of the Tax Kazeem Zero Dollars K and the argument here is because the tax is now zero dollars. It's no longer attacks which means it's unconstitutional and and also the appropriate remedy if this tax that does nothing is unconstitutional is to throw out the entirety of the affordable care act so it is a bonkers legal theory. It's the so I mean frankly ugly. The attorneys who brought it should have been sanctioned for bringing frivolous litigation and instead it wound up in front of chew extraordinarily partisan Republican judges and they look likely to sign onto this goat Rodeo wow now this is the fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans yes so this is the United States court appeals for the fifth circuit which is one step below the Supreme Court the Fifth Circuit is absolutely stacked with trumpy judges and so part of the problem problem here is you're dealing with one of the worst courts in the country. <hes> the panel included Kerr Engelhardt who's trump judge and this woman named Jennifer Elrod who is a Bush judge who's known for very right wing opinion union limiting voting rights limit abortion rights <hes> ruling against immigrants so this was a very very bad panel. There's a third judge King. WHO's a Carter appointee? I'm sure she'll be fine but you know this is a very bad panel channel. It was elrod. WHO's a very right wing Bush appointee an Englehart? WHO's a trump judge and you know maybe I mean? The legal arguments in this case are so embarrassing that maybe they'll realize that like they don't want to. We remembered by posterity doing this but I wouldn't bet on it based on what I saw in the courtroom they both determined to gut the affordable care act right and that's that was what you tweeted upon leaving the the the hearing yesterday is that it was not a good day. It looks like they are going to do this. Obviously this is the fifth this is you said a step below the Supreme Court I'm guessing it would automatically radically be appealed to the Supreme Court and didn't the Supreme Court already weigh in on the affordable care act they have. I mean this is kind of a new regal theory. You know again. The legal theory here is bad by repealing provisions in of the Affordable Care Act Congress somehow requires the courts to take out the entire affordable care act and that's I I mean it's gasoline just hearing someone meekly yard. It's an insane arguments <hes> but yet if they if the fifth circuit's rights is down the Supreme Court won't certainly hear the case eventually now one thing that I think is really troubling is that there's a lot of talk at yesterday's pursues argument about ways that the way he's <hes> you know ways to prevent anyone from appealing it right away <hes> there was talk about sending it down to the trial court again so he could do some unnecessary proceedings uh-huh and it's frightening because I I don't know why the judges would think about doing that but one possible reason is they might be thinking that well you know the longer we run out the clock on this <hes> the more likely it is that someone else leaves the Supreme Court. Maybe Donald trump extra place and right now. I'm fairly confident but if he's Justice Roberts is the median vote on the supreme core that Roberts is GonNa look at this and say are you kidding hitting me but the other for Republicans have already shown themselves to be hyper partisan and we saw that in the Census Ace <hes> where they said where they said that essentially the trump administration's allowed to live <hes> you know there's a lot to put a also in place and the lie about why they're doing it <hes> and so I think there's probably four votes right now to get rid of the affordable care act by any means necessary and if another Democrat would leave the court then that would mean that there would be oh my God we are so screwed and here's the I mean it's just it's UN- conscionable because the Republicans despite what trump says we know he lies with every breath he takes there. It has no Republican healthcare plan. If if the affordable care act goes away and and make no mistake it is an imperfect plan but at least well because of it. I'm still alive because three years ago I I was diagnosed with lung cancer and the only reason I had health insurance was because of the affordable care act so I guess people I'm going to be out of luck again because the coverage for preexisting conditions will go away immediately immediately along with you know access for millions and millions of people to Health Insurance Susa sorts put some numbers on Hey <hes> if the affordable care act is repealed by the courts twenty million N- people lose their health insurance and they lose it overnight wow so twenty twenty million people lose their health insurance. <hes> the best estimate I've seen is twenty million people lose their health insurance that means twenty four thousand an additional deaths every year <hes> from people from <hes> for people who are unable to obtain healthcare twenty four thousand people who otherwise would have lived will die year after year are after year now if this if the courts do what trump and what a bunch of Republican attorney generals are asking them to do here now. It's invading army did that you know if if you you know the Russians invaded evaded the United States and killed slaughter twenty four thousand people and then did a year at your again we would call that an atrocity right. You know that you know like that's the sort of thing that the U._n.. Security Council gets involved and that sort of thing to send peacekeepers to deal with but in this case it's not an army. It's this these two judges who think they have the right to do that. Despite no legal basis for doing so and you know I just hope I hope that people understand the moral stakes here because what these judges are contemplating isn't just wrong and it isn't just wrong as a matter of wall it would be one of the most significant acts of mass killing on U._S. soil since the civil war that is that's an important way to look at. It and I hope that you know capitol. Hill looks at it that way as well in Millhauser is with us. He's columnist at think. Progress is the author of the book injustices dealing with the Supreme Court in this you mentioned the possibility that trump gets to replace another Supreme Court justice in which case I think this little experiment in democracy is just about done and I wonder you you know how much his stacking of the courts has already had such a big impact the thi this morning or was it last night. <hes> there was a ruling a D._C.. Court I believe found that the Washington D._C.. And Maryland who who filed in a case a emoluments charge against Donald trump that case was thrown out because the judge said <hes> that that Maryland in DC didn't have standing to bring that case case to court. I'm guessing Congress has standing. Are they doing anything about this or is the emoluments deal over so they're number of plaintiffs who I think would have standard so I think the best plaintiff would be the Ritz Carlton and the reason. Even for that sort of standing is in order to bring a lawsuit. You have to be able to show that you were injured in some way by the lawyer. A challenge that that by the way is why another reason why the fifth circuit should not do what it's considering with obamacare because the law that they're challenging zeroed out mandate and can't be injured by law that requires you to pay zero dollars but in any events <hes> so standing is the requirement that you have to be injured by whatever it is that you're challenging and and the reason why the Ritz Carlton has a good argument but they were <hes> th that they were <hes> injured by trump's violations of the emoluments clause is as I recall shortly after trump was elected <hes> there the Kuwaiti MC intended to <hes> they had a party that they were going to throw at the Ritz Carlton and they decided to move it to the trump hotel so here is in case where you have a party that could show like we were going going to get this money <hes> from this customer and we lost the customer specifically because of a federal official violating the emoluments clause now that might be a little harder because I believe that that happened when trump was president lacked so you'd have to fight over whether the president-elect counts as an author United States the other body that I think definitely has standing is the United States itself right and so even though the so even yeah no the trump administration like trump's justice department isn't GonNa Sue Donald Trump providing the emoluments clause but when trump leaves office who still going to have all these ill-gotten gains from his constitutional violation uh-huh and what is the emoluments clause there to protect. It's there to protect United States itself from corrupt officials so who was injured by a corrupt official violating concerts in the United States the United States is injured and so in the next presidency. I think that the Justice Department should file a suit against Donald Trump at the very least recruit fee ill-gotten gains. He got through his emoluments violations. Wow so while he's in office though there's nothing we can do you about him. Thumbing his nose at the rule of law I mean everything from the Hyde Amendment to the emoluments clause. He just doesn't give a shit. Yeah I mean while he is in office. I think that the remedies that are available on our more women now that said the remedy that is available if you catch him violating the emoluments clause is going to be limited and what would you could probably get as you can get him. You have to Refund Fund the money that he got in violation of emoluments clause at most you might be able to get an injunction requiring him to divest from certain businesses or to <hes> or just just stop doing businesses with foreign governments entirely <hes> what we couldn't get is you couldn't get an order that removed him from office so the bad news is that you he's going to be president for four his term <hes> and you know the courts can't do the courts can't do anything about about that but I do think that when he leaves office the United States would have standing to sue him for violations of the emoluments arguments clause well. I hate that we have to wait until he leaves office because frankly. I don't think he's GonNa leave office without a real fight. That's just me but it's a it's a fear that I don't believe is without grounds around in Mojo's well. Let me ask you one last question that is shifting the way Nancy Pelosi is handling things I saw I hate to quote Michael Avenue Body of all people but I read something on twitter that he wrote and I have. I have to agree with him. He said if a cost is not resign lookout because the DEM leadership is ready to tweet and send letters at a moment's notice yup no fear tweets and letters trump in the ours have figured out they can do whatever they want because the DEM's have no guts and don't know how to work the media. I hate to say it so I agree so I guess what my response to that is that House Democrats should use every power at their disposal disposal to to try to get out the cost out of office and to try to get donald trump out of all but I think we have to have a realistic sense of what powers are actually at their disposal so you know they could impeach Donald Trump they can impeach Alex Acosta but Mitch McConnell like in order to remove either of them some office by impeachment twenty Republican Senator Right would <hes> would have to vote to remove them from office and you know Donald trump could eat a live baby on national television and there would it be twenty two. I agree who would vote for yeah and so I think House Democrats could be doing more. I think they can have more in Queens. They get more hearings. They should be doing that they should do. They should do everything that they can. In order to bring the monstrous -ness of this administration people's eyes but I also think that we have to understand that the way that Donald Donald Trump will be removed from office if that all through an election sure you're you know it's not going to be through impeachment and conviction because he has the Senate his back. I agree for what it's worth. I agree that he will not be convicted in the Senate but I think the American people need to hear how he's broken so many laws how he's really I mean taken this country to the verge of insolvency and taken the world to the brink of war and destruction. I just and many of his followers don't know that he's done anything wrong because all they do is watch Fox so-called news who doesn't tell them he's done anything wrong again and I believe the polls are showing a higher percentage of people wanting to see trump at least an impeachment inquiry begun then wanted to see Nixon impeached back in the seventies. I think the numbers are more in favor of trumping impeach at this point. I'm the heights didn't turn on Nixon until they started the televised hearings right yeah no. I certainly think like there needs. There should be more hearings. There should be more inquiries. <hes> you know some of the issue there. Is that so like one thing. I'm watching very closely. I'll probably attend the argument is on Friday. There's a case it a quarter of appeals here in DC about whether or not trump can prevent his accounting firm from turning over a bunch of his financial records so you know Democrats have been thwarted when their ability to engage in those kinds of inquiries because of the massive resistance that this administration is showing to any kind of subpoena and so the way that normally dealt with you should get a court order saying no no you can't resist. That's you know you have to comply and this case is the first in line where I think we're likely to get to get the courts to say no cameras that's fina and if that case goes goes against trump. I think you could see the damn start debris <hes> thou now the question is whether or not the Supreme Court will play games and you know and and try and try to save trump but if they get that court order they should get that quarter trump's arguments are very weak. That's strengthens Democrats hands and you know I mean. I don't think there's much point in holding a hearing if you don't have evidence. I don't think there's my point it conducting an inquiry in your after is evident wh- what we want how Democrats to get is evident and if this court hearing goes well then all of a sudden they start to pry a lot of things Oakland where they start to get a lot more evidence so okay well. I guess all bets are off. We just have to wait and see but I hope that the Democrats grow a pair and in and actually do something rather than just right sternly worded letters because that seems to be where we're at these days yeah. No I mean certainly like I mean they should use every power at their disposal man and hopefully well. We're going to find out this court hearing on Friday is that they will have the powers that should be at their disposal and they would be foolish not to use it to its most absolutely I in millhauser again find him at think progress dot org and where he does great work and pick up the book injustices because I think the Supreme Court is something we're going to be watching very closely for the next at least a year and a half anyway and hoping that Ah Ruth Bader Ginsburg stays very healthy in millhauser. Thank you so much. It's always great to hear from you and I appreciate your input all right. Thank you take care bye-bye so that's it. There's more that I could have asked him. I could've asked him about the Eh the whole census question where judge told trump sorry. You can't switch out all the lawyers they tried to switch out the Department of Justice Lawyers that had been working on this citizenship hip question for the census. Some reports say that none of the lawyers want to go ahead with this folly of a challenge as it was Wilbur Ross had already said no I will we'll <hes>. And we'll do the census without the question and it was trump who tweeted out out of the blue. No we're not done fighting yet and and our judge yesterday said you know regarding your request to switch switch out. All of the lawyers know they can still bring a new lawyers. Nothing prevents that but the judge is not letting the lawyers that have been working on the case thus far out so there's that all right we are going to move on. I told you it's a busy busy day today. Let me explain to you. The genesis of our next guest is I attempt to dial while I'm speaking. This is always dangerous so I'm on email lists with a lot of very very smart people and somebody on the list. Oh actually the guy who runs the list wrote a post about a new. I think it's a new organization an organization dedicated to Oh to to progressive foreign policy here. We are in an election season. It's not an election year yet but one thing we don't really know so much about is where the the Democratic candidates stand on foreign policy. I mean I pretty much know we're Bernie Sanders. Is We know we're Tulsi. Gabbard is I think we know where Elizabeth Warren is but the rest of them not so much and so there's a a new piece piece. I think a new organization called the Quincy Institute which I believe is named after John Quincy Adams but I could be wrong <hes> there was a big article about it in the Boston Globe last week and and this is a group that is going to be doing <hes> progressive outreach. I guess lobbying on foreign policy well another member of the list said you know it's great. The Quincy Institute is Awesome but you know we've been here for a while now and we're doing amazing work and we are a partner of the Quincy Institute but I WanNa make sure you know that there are some of us doing the hard work on these issues every Damn Day already and I thought you know Oh. That's a really good point and because of that I thought we should invite Stephen Miles onto the show. Steven Ma's is executive director of Win Without War. There are win without war dot Org. Hey Steven you there. I am how you doing. I'm doing okay sorry. It's been just a crazy morning. I was watching the Kosta hearing and then everything else that's going on is just nuts. It's Donald Trump said one thing no kidding. He said one thing that I agreed with in the campaign something about you know there's going to be so much. I'll make your head spin. He's making our head spin all right. It's just insane but I wanted to talk with you. Because of of the email you wrote to the list to find out not only what what were win without war is doing but what other organizations are doing. We know that we are involved. Although we're not technically involved in a war in Yemen we are <hes> we're involved WBT in Syria where still in Iraq we're still in Afghanistan and we're we're engaged in in. I believe some form of combat in other places around the world to where it's not just limited to those four is it no it's not <hes> you know we've seen <hes> time and time again over the last several years that the U._S. is by any stretch of the imagination at war in a number of places far across the globe <hes> whether that was the troops who lost their lives in these air her <hes> whether that's the continued military action <hes> of the United States in places like Somalia. You talked about Yemen where United States made planes or being flown by U._S.. Trained pilots dropping U._S. made bombs. It's hard to call that not a U._S.. Involved war and of course you're right we have thousands of troops on the ground in places like Syria Afghanistan in Iraq and so you know we continue to have not just a large global military presence <hes> but global military presence that's largely engaged in a series of endless wars right and so if you hear trump talk about it he's he's you know. I don't believe anything he says so it's I shouldn't waste the breath on saying what he said but you know we had a kind of a close close call just last week or the week before of course he plays these games with foreign nuclear powers and he's been fucking with Iran of late and you know he there. There was an issue where a tanker was attacked in the Straits of Hormuz where where the trump administration is saying Ron. Did it there sabre-rattling. We don't know I mean from from the video they released. Do we know that Iran planted explosive devices on these tankers or are is trump just ratcheting up the the the rhetoric here the situation in the Persian Gulf. It's incredibly fraud and I think you know you mentioned the tax that we saw on oil tankers there obviously we we. We had the incident that that sparked the near use of U._S.. Military Force was the downing of a U._S.. Drone <hes> Iran wrong says over there over their airspace the U._S.. Military says it was international airspace. <hes> there's no question there that it was the United States drone and that the Iranian shot down just a question of where it was located but all this really comes back to a situation in which we've seen the trump administration take step after step to ratchet up the pressure to walk away from the <hes> historic diplomatic agreement joint comprehensive plan that plan of action also knows the Iran deal the Obama era agreement made between Iran and the international community unity it really puts its nuclear program under a locking key locked up in a box and had calmed tensions in the region in in a really significant way we saw trump walk away from all of that put us on a collision course towards war and so we're now seeing these kinds of incidents <hes> sometimes questionable who sometimes not but what's clear is that we're we're in the inevitable cycle of escalation that his administration putting the motion and it it gets back to something you said candidate trump was very clear. The U._S. shouldn't be in stupid stupid war. He ran on a on a on a dovish platform compared to Hillary Clinton and just like Barack Obama before him the candidate who was calling for the U._S.. To get out of international wars to be involved in less overseas. She's military misadventures that candidate won because that is a majority overwhelmingly popular position <hes> in this country. The problem is once people get into office. They tend to do different things and so we've seen in the case of trump is significant rationing up to the use of military force <hes> removal of some of the constraints that had protected civilians <hes> getting in bed with a horrific folks like the Saudi regime in the U._A._e.. Who are committing mass war crimes and causing gross human rights abuses and places like Yemen we've and of course as we talked about just now putting us on a collision course towards conflict with Iran you know he likes to get out there and talk about kind of he's a deal maker negotiator be like He? He has his line about <hes> that if it wasn't for him we'd be in a war and North Korea. You know it's just preposterous right. The reason we were on the brink of war with North Korea was exactly like Iran he ratchet up the pressure he got into name calling contest with a with a the the head of the leader North Korea Kim Jong Un <hes> he was talking about fire and fury and button measuring contests and all this kind of stuff and then you know they were able to de-escalate simply no longer being a petulant child and name calling and threatening nuclear annihilation. That's not like a great step for diplomacy and peace it simply no longer banging the drums of war but that's that's what we get with this president to that earlier we also shouldn't be we shouldn't be surprised and we get somebody who who manufactures these crises crises first of all he he <hes> he pulled us out of the Iran nuke the the nuclear deal with Iran which was working <hes> they they weren't enriching more uranium. They weren't developing a nuclear weapon. They were working at least for the it was working for the time being anyway and he pulled us out of that and then he ratcheted up tensions and I guess was planning for a strike and then at the last minute he called it off and try to present himself as the hero for for not striking in Iran the whole thing smacks of bullshit. It's all bullshit and IT'S I. I don't know what the purpose of it is to entertain his feeble mind or I don't know to make him feel like a manly man or something but obviously this is no way to to conduct foreign policy so that brings us Stephen Miles to win without war so when you go to the Website Win Without War Dot Org you're greeted with a statement. Let's build the Movement for four progressive foreign policy. We're building a better U._S.. Foreign policy that favours peace not militarism great goal so tell us about win without war. How long have you been here? And what do you do sure so when without were actually owes its origins back to the run up to the Iraq war in two thousand two. That's what the name is a reference to and and what it was was at the time a number of progressive organizations national organizations who worked on all sorts of different issues came together they recognize the path that that George Bush at the time was putting us on <hes> before it's going to war with Iraq they wanted to do <hes> what they could working together to try to prevent that war and obviously the die was cast by that point. I mean <hes> but then they continue to work together and continued to advocate and push and campaign for ending that war and then gradually expanded in kind of the underlying policies that led to that war right they realized and they recognize that it wasn't just enough to oppose the Iraq war that there was a sickness in American foreign policy that led us to that war and that we had to start to deal with those problems and that that really is when win without war becomes what it is today which is <hes> kind of the nation's leading progressive campaigning organisation focused on not just kind of ending these overseas. I must wars but really getting at the militarism. That's the the the raw at the core of U._S.. Foreign policy putting forward a more Progressive Vision Asian of U._S. foreign policy one that recognizes that we have to have twenty first century security challenges so the kinds of threats we face today things like climate change things like <hes> gross income inequality in the rise of authoritarian around around the world. You know these are the real security threats we face and we shouldn't be naive about them but when we continue to simply throw hundreds of billions of dollars a year down the drain on weapons that were designed to fight wars from generations you know long since past. We're never going to get there and so we have to. We have to have a whole different way forward. GotTa ask you about <hes> your your thoughts on trump's military salute to America on the fourth of July the parading of military hardware of of tanks and fighter jets through through Washington D._C.. zeph frighten you. Oh absolutely look this was exactly this was like authoritarian playbook one one <hes> you know we've seen the president do this time and time again and and we we can't we can't take away the reality of of understanding how we got here and who the sits right. This is a president who himself said he avoided going to Vietnam because he you didn't think it was worth dying in that war he he had multiple deferments or what by most accounts are non-existent <hes> bone spur right <hes> this is a president who who has repeatedly disrespected and insulted men and women who have put the uniform perform on and and and whether or not those of us <hes> supported those wars or not they put their lives on the line <hes> defending this nation and time and time again. He's he's insulted those folks. He now wants to try to wrap himself in the flag of the U._S.. Military he wants to surround himself with military hardware to lift huff. He wants to talk about spending three quarters of a trillion dollars on the military as if that somehow in another itself policy all of this clearly by every measure was about Donald trump not about a salute to America that he claimed it was not about any sort of reality check on the state of the United States military or the role they play in a free and fair society. You know this was this was donald trump the showman once again being a showman and sure you know there was fireworks and tanks and he was able to just saw today that trump hotel in DC was sold out the R._N._C. was giving out the tickets right in the front. You know there's a lot of questions about this event and the corruption at it and they're coming days. We'll be watching campaign asking Congress to look into some of these <hes>. I'm I live here in DC on the DC resident my government <hes> is just saying now that their security is bankrupts young because of the cost of this. There's there's tremendous amount here to to to be answered for an and at the end of the day at a time when there's so much division in our country when there is so much problems and challenges we face <hes> this was yet another opportunity squandered where we could have been coming together. We could have been having a conversation about what it means to be an American. What is the country that so many of us are proud to call home that so many people want to come to and once elliptical home? What are we about <unk> out and instead? This president made it about celebrating himself yeah well. It's par for the course so we're speaking with Stephen Miles. He's executive director of Win Without War. I'm cynical by nature and living under this trump regime regime has made me even more so but I'm trying to be positive and think that in November of twenty twenty we will elect a good progressive Democrat who will help take us out of this horrific era in American life and turn things around has win without war done a maybe any kind of comparison or study on the twenty five Democratic candidates and what their foreign policy plans are we. We certainly have done some analysis. You know I I'd be remiss if I didn't mention win without war. itself is a nonpartisan organization. We don't engage in electoral politics when either support or oppose any candidates that we certainly <hes> talk about the records of members of Congress <hes> and other elected officials and the kinds of things that they do <hes> and certainly in in a situation like this where we're having a national debate about the issues that we work on every day <hes> we're of course engaging in that debate and looking to see you <hes> what candidates are saying about issues we care about <hes> an understanding some of the details of things that they care about and you know one of the things I've been heartened by is that unlike twenty sixteen where truth be told we had an entire <hes> <hes> Democratic primary in which foreign policy was never talked about right. <hes> you know not only is a huge area of of you know this is literally the entire rest of the world. It's actually the one thing that the president probably has more control over than everything else <hes> in in their in their in their purview and so it's really a detriment and we don't hear from the men and women who WanNa be the commander in chief WanNa be President United States. We don't get to hear from them about what they WANNA do what their world view is. What do they think America's role? The world is so I will say. We've been heart in that in twenty twenty. We've begun to have that debate. You know we've already had a number of foreign policy speeches by major candidates. <hes> Senator Sanders has given to such speeches. Senator Warren has given one <hes> Eh Buddha judge gave one recently and tomorrow <hes> Vice President Biden is going to be giving one as well and so. We're beginning to get that conversation. That's so important that we were denied for years ago three years ago right and hopefully look. I'm all for for more voices but hopefully the field on the democratic side will begin to narrow and the serious candidates can you know can can put their policy ideas forth so we can make an informed decision <hes>. I don't know about you but the news that Tom Steiner was jumping into the race really pissed me off. Here's somebody who's going to spend one hundred million dollars of his own money because he's got it on a vanity project to run for president when he could fund and entire Progressive Media Network just to to help counter the Fox effect. There's so many things he could do with that money that to to launch a presidential campaign I just I think it's just horrible but that said you know there is one candidate who was who was declared who didn't make it on the stage for the first debates who I would love to hear on a national debate stage to talk about foreign policy and that's Senator Mike Gravel because he's probably the most anti war of all the candidates is that fair to say yeah you know Senator Gravel or has certainly made that a component of this campaign. We've also heard that from <hes> congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard Robert who's been very outspoken on issues of war and peace in the past <hes> but we there's some interesting folks also in the next you know <hes> South Molton who obviously <hes> you know as I think no one's GonNa argue the most progressive candidate but he's a four-time <hes> Iraq combat veteran and has an interesting interesting position on some of these things Admiral Sestak. You know very late entry into the race. Yeah <hes> and I don't know how much we'll be hearing about him but you know Joseph Stack is if my you at least when he was in Congress and I believe it's still true. He is the highest ranking <hes> military official ever elected to Congress wow you know he he is a man who has been very outspoken on issues of war and peace and has the credibility to back that up <hes> you know I once had a conversation with him about what it was like when he was <hes> commanding ships in the Persian Gulf and dealing with the Iranians <hes> and threats in the region personally and and and that has led him to be an outspoken proponent of not not going to war with Iran in the past and so I think if he gets on the debate stage we'll we'll certainly hear a lot about that and as you mentioned <hes> Mike reveal obviously also a military veteran <hes> and has been tremendously outspoken on these issues <hes> Mayor Mayor Buddha judge edged. I should mention as well is is also a veteran and talks about that tremendously and <hes> has has come out with some some interesting positions and and calling for ending are endless wars and some of these other positions so we're we're. I'm hoping that we'll get more than one question. Some of these debates <hes> it would be nice to have a fruitful conversation and I think I think we hear some real progressive positions. Get put out there by some of the candidates yeah well I. I hope they get a chance to to air them because I think the American people need to hear him. I know the Bernie Sanders I think he's the one who introduced the resolution to get out of Yemen. I believe Elizabeth Warren has has touched lightly on on foreign policy but not as much as I'd like to hear from her. These are things we need to hear more of obviously and I'm guessing win without war will help to <hes> <hes> corral those positions and and at least give the information out. Yes absolutely you've mentioned our website dot org as the campaign goes on. When will no doubt be talking about what the candidates said there <hes> I also have written some analyses of the speeches I mentioned earlier that that Senator Sanders and Senator Warren both gave will likely be putting something out about Joe Biden speech <hes> and there's some other great organizations out there doing this? You know there's an organization <hes> primarily veterans run called common defense. They have a pledge that they're asking candidates. Take called the end the forever pledging to end the forever war <hes> and so far you know Burning Senator Warren <hes> Senator Booker <hes> conference on Saturday Secretary Castro <hes> Bill Rourke Mike Lavalle and Andrew Yang of all pledged by not pledge that if they were president they would they would end the forever war and so you know we're we're seeing these things. They're getting out there. You're you're one of the things we hear time and time again from members of Congress that we talk to is the reason one of the reasons they don't talk about foreign policy. Is You know when they were on the campaign trail. Nobody asked him about it right. Nobody said hey how are you going to get us out Afghantistan. Hey what are you doing about the situation in Yemen <hes> you know we worked as an organization to change that we think that the foreign policy debate needs to be democratized. We work every day to bring <hes> Americans voices into these conversations nations but over the next several months people are going to have a real chance to meet some of these candidates particularly if they live in places like Iowa New Hampshire Nevada South Carolina you know they're gonna get real facetime yeah and this is a this is a real opportunity to ask these folks how they feel about these issues you know do they think it's makes any sense that we have men and women in uniform today in Afghanistan risking their lives who were not even a live on September eleventh. Yeah I mean that ain't eh remarkable and if these if you guys want to be the next commander in chief and they want to be in charge of our country they need to answer for what they're gonNA do about that situation most definitely Stephen Miles. I know you're getting ready to head to Philadelphia. Net Roots Nation Kicks Kicks off tomorrow for many years I would go and broadcast live from. It's been about five years since I've been for a number of reasons but I see that you you're participating in a few panels. You have one that you're hosting Saturday morning. <hes> <hes> dealing obviously with this issue what what's what's your panel about yeah absolutely thanks for answering up. We're going to have to panels on Saturday one at nine in the morning another one at two fifteen in the afternoon the conversation in the morning. It's GonNa be about the issue you mentioned earlier. <hes> the the the the fight in Congress about ending U._S. support for the war in Yemen. We're going to be talking with some of the amazing activists who are involved in that fight for the last several years. We're GONNA talk about how we went from being alone in the Wilderness to actually winning <hes> going up against some of the most well-funded special interests some of those powerful foreign governments and in fact the entire weight of the U._S.. <hes> kind of military establishment and won that debate eight. We're GonNa talk about what that means and what that might do what that might tell us about how we work on other foreign policy issues and then this conversation we're having right now about twenty twenty. That's going to be the focus of a panel the panel tooth <hes> it's it's going to be <hes> <hes> moderated by my colleague Kate Kaiser Who's our policy director going to feature congresswoman Ilhan Omar and and a number of other panelists talking about foreign policy in the twenty twenty elections awesome and I know net roots nation streams many of these panels you can go to net roots nation dot org and I know free speech ATV is probably going to be carrying a lot of it. I know Thom Hartmann is going to be broadcasting. Live from there as well so I will not be there this year but I'm sure it's a progressive gathering. We'll be well represented Stephen. Moss thank you so much. Thanks for the work. You're doing and for reminding us of the work you're doing. It is an issue. The foreign policy that as you said does not get covered enough. It wasn't mentioned enough in in the one debate we've had so far and I don't know that I yeah I can count on C._N._N.. To give it the exposure needs so hopefully you know as we get further into the campaign and the field narrows down a bit. I'm hoping we can check back in with you to find out really the you know better position statements from from the you know the the the final the the top tier candidates anyway yeah absolutely happy happy to be on any time and thanks for doing all you're doing and having important conversations my pleasure. Thank you and have fun in that route. Say Hi to everyone for me. We'll miss you in Philadelphia. Okay have fun. Take care. Thanks so much stephen appreciate it bye bye Stephen Miles again executive director of Win Without War. They are at Win Without War Dot Org. You can find Stephen Miles on twitter at S._p.. Miles forty two or win without war at win without worth. It's an important topic and and again we had this little discussion online and I thought you know this is <hes> this is something we should talk about because foreign policy has to be consideration when you decide on your candidate all right so we had two guests today a lot of stuff going on there are a lot of stuff I didn't have time time for I didn't have time for our funny today. And what do we have to. Maybe I'll save that for tomorrow. Let me play one thing for you. That popped up on my twitter feed this morning and and is so sickening and I don't only like to share sickening things with you but this is this is sufficiently sickening that I want to share it with you. So if you're watching on Youtube you'll get the full the fact because there is a a clip from a Howard Stern show with Donald Ivanka in the studio. I don't know what year hi this is but if you're just listening listen carefully you'll be able to your it's a very quick quick quick clip. It runs ten seconds so no that the voice is you'll hear the main voice here's Howard stern learn and Donald trump any vodka. Trump are the two guests they're sitting at a microphone all right so here we go. You are one okay so that's the whole clip you are. One and Donald Texas had like well yeah any vodka cracks cracks up. It's like yeah you know like this is like something to be proud of. These are sick sick people a just reprehensible and if that's not bad enough for you. I have a clip that I saved from last week that I just haven't gotten to lately so this is Donald Trump being asked a question by Peter Baker of the New York Times. I think you're smart enough to understand what's going on here. You agree with him. That western style liberalism as it's been defined over the post war period is now obsolete and no longer relevant today's world feel that way ebony sees what's going on and <hes> I guess if you look at what's happening in Los Angeles where <hes> it's so sad to look and what's happening in San Francisco and a couple of other cities which are run by a an extraordinary group loop of liberal people. I don't know what they're thinking. He does see things that are happening. In the United States that would would probably preclude him from saying how wonderful it is. He does not understand what the raise western-style liberalism means. He thinks they're talking about Liberal Democrats or progressives or a liberal. That's not what they're talking about it. All he is just a doted. He's an idiot. He's a moron he. He has no business being in Washington D._C.. Let alone in charge of it. Yeah I guess you for some reason Youtube didn't hear the clip of trump basically admitting that yes he is a sexual Predator and Ivanka sort of glad handing it was like yeah you are. Oh my God how funny is that Ear Sexual Predator okay and one last one last note because I mentioned this briefly what was sort of not the right place to mention it but when I was talking to our guest Stephen Miles I mentioned about Tom Style jumping into the race once again. Let me say this. Tom Steyer is already said he's going to spend one hundred million dollars one hundred million of his own dollars to mount a run for the presidency and he's asking for donations from average people like you and me <music> give him money to fund his run gag me. I'll I'll talk more about it tomorrow. See then everyone you're listening to the Nicole's and lose y'all unprogressive voices and goals Gentler Dot Com. This is a huge huge issue and we're talking about it. 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He's not here for a little while He went to go and beg his doctor to do another colonoscopy. Now he's out doing Which caught mystery proposer stuff anonymous proposer stuff? Because that's supposed to happen today. Yeah that dude. It's going to be proposing to his girlfriend. Where's the rest of my seat? I just got the edge kidding. Of course I don't WanNa seem cynical about anything all right This is the most popular segment of the ACE and Tj show. Every week I took all of the segments of the week this would be the most popular. We've done the research guy. No praising no pressure or as my father-in-law from Louisiana say pressure no pressure. It is a funny song about stuff. That's happened all week in the pop culture and on the Ason. Tj Show is called. Riggins Week in review This is my song is called the week in review. It's a weird worthy shows summarized for you know special effects and no auto to just me and guitar performing for you as had a colonoscopy and thankfully. He's doing all right. They inserted a camera into his colon. Just a typical Saturday night. I'm sure as his girlfriend took good care of him when he was drugged up and feeling weak she's gotta be the only twenty-seven-year-old in the world whose boyfriend had a colonoscopy. They look for anything unusual like addenda looks for plaque. They did find small polyp an IPOD. Shuffle way in the back. Week's worth of shows. Summarize for you know special effects no water to happy. Valentine's Day everybody. Yeah but I don't have a love to call my own but the only time it hits me is when I'm at Boston market eating alone but SASSA single too but I know her dating life is going well. She's a vegetarian from Goldsboro. That's a Unicorn from what I can just tell the important people that you love him you can never say it enough unless your name R Kelly. He'll shower you with affection and other stuff. It's a week's worth of shows. Summarize affects high-performing. There's going to be a marriage proposal in about ten minutes. I wish them all the love and health but I just hope that it doesn't matter that I joked about someone peeing on someone else as I would love to see. Ace Get engaged. Why not give it another world? Amanda would make a beautiful bride and she could double as the flower girl. This week's worth of shows summarized affects and no auto to be in my the sonic. The hedgehog. Movie is now in theaters. It's something the nerds won't want miss. I'd rather be caught stealing my grandma's panties than sit through an hour. And a half of this you can now buy. Kfc themed crocs your regret that purchase I guarantee but one time I bought a t shirt that said Free Gucci Mane. So I don't know why you listening to me. Let's get ready for this marriage proposal. I really don't know how to feel. It would be horrible if she says no but it would be amazing. If I'm being real obvious swore this shows or is it just me and my off performing for you a Rob IS ACE on location. Is that where he left? Is he going to be calling into the show to do? He's calling handling the The anonymous proposer duty things. The only information that I have is that he will be calling. Okay yeah because I mean Last time we do that it had to be done on location. Figured that's he went. How did right had last won? Turn OUT WELL. The first one we ever did turned out really well. I don't remember the others going down a couple of other times. I'm thinking maybe crash and burn out because it was a memorable I don't think all right so we'll we'll get on the phone chicken with him. See what's going on with the Mystery proposer next and TJ ACE and TJ's breaking and entering. Christmas twenty. One thousand nine could not have been as awesome without the support of kids. I to the Carolinas more information on how you can support them with cash or material donations. Just go to kids. I of the Carolinas Dot. Org All Ason. Tj Show graphics and Web Design are done by Alpha lab designs looking for spectacular email design at TJ dot com Web Design. Menus marketing materials brochures flyers social media ads and more design at TJ DOT com. Download the Papa. John's EYSENCK TJ APP. Today here the show twenty four seven an instant access the as at TJ on demand and all our podcast and enter to win cash from the act to stay connected funny on the ace and Tj. After available at I tunes and Google play. What is happening? Where are we what are we doing? Have you heard from ace? Rob Is supposed to be calling in. Now I'm GonNa from parts unknown. Call him attorneys microphone. Private Arsenal today is the wrap up of the what we call them at this. This time mystery. Proposer are anonymous. Proposer mystery mystery proposer. We've been we've been carrying that out all week Playing a voice. That is altered talking about his girlfriend and then his girlfriend was supposed to guess some. 'cause I think that's my little boyfriend trying to propose and nobody guests it. Nobody was right on that throughout the week aces in a birdcage somewhere. Where are those birds in the background? Yeah yes I'm standing outside. Okay what are we doing well okay? Let's review so all week long. I missed part of what you're saying. Yeah catch up about where we're what brought us to this point. Okay sounds good well So we know a couple of things about mystery proposer. We learned this week that he is older than her. And we learned that they live together and we learned that. He's most exciting about excited about traveling with her. And so forth and so on so Everybody has been trying to figure out who the mystery proposer. It and some people think that it might be me because I am older much older than my girlfriend and I like travelling and I forgot what the other thing was that I just sat shackled shacked up. Check on. Yeah thank you. So we're as you put it so there's that and so A lot of people think that it would be that it would be me being misery propose so We're going to do the. We're going to go surprised the person who is going to be proposed to so I'm outside a building A business right now waiting to go in and surprise the person. Okay so Reagan's are you the only one on the show that thinks it's me I do not think it's you. I thought you did think it was me no. I do okay. Oh you do okay okay well I am sorry to disappoint you. Ask me outside the building. I'll be right back. Hold onto that Jiang. It new even he wouldn't do something this cheesy leave a we. Did he hang up? Yeah he's outside. This building mind blown faces. Read to their best are crying yeah. I was standing outside of the cold for dramatic effect. It works Abba out there for a while acting amazing you should took some broth out there with you keep you sent him drove rabbi truck for about ten minutes to the pull back up and sit out there to make sure. I got good and cold cave. You're okay so here's the fun part though about mystery proposer it's not me however We're not technically going to have a proposal on the radio today. There is a guy he is the mystery. Proposer remember Tj years ago there was the act J. Curse where it seemed like things guide look could get a little sideways everything that we did something transpired last night that has caused the outcome of mystery proposer to not be quite like we had anticipated. So okay I was. I was actually going to meet at one point. I was going to meet mystery proposer and be there when it all happened. No need no need. It's it's kind of funny in a way. 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So here's what's happening Things have gotten a haywire. When it comes to the mystery proposer here was the plan. The plan was this morning after revealing that. It's because everybody. It was just kind of an accident that everybody started thinking. It was me after revealing. It was not me we were going to then go live and we were going to call Ian Girlfriend and tell her. Hey We know you've heard about the mystery proposer this week on the ace and TJ show. We know you've heard it more than once you to have talked about goal. Open your front door. And when she opened her front door e end would-be standing there and he would have the ring and the whole thing and he would profess his love and ask her to marry him but in that all went haywire. Last night didn't it? Did you break Ian? Can you hear us? I can't because of wedding music away. Sorry there's still music plan. Banks turned down here. It doesn't turn it down on the phone. I forgot about that explain. You know. She'd heard it Wednesday and Thursday of this week. But what happened last night? Wh what time did this start. Well probably about eight o'clock or so He started started asking me about it. Because you know I really think that she I think it is. I was like it's not not at all so I played it off for an hour or so Trying to get an executive with you and Hell ever since you get really grill events like I don't WanNa do this that's you. I'll never do this. I'm sitting there. I'm I'm scratching my head. Wonder what the heck got one do and I decided well much don't want us. I'm the guy and Whatever STARTING CHURCH He told me this morning he said I had to break. He said for an hour and a half all she did was with pepper him with questions. About as you said it's you and he was not he would try to divert and go watch. Tv for an hour and a half and finally the only way. I'm going to get this to go away is to admit that it's me. So did she get mad because you should know that she wouldn't want something like this. Yes and no better but you don't want to roll the dice all thanking her chance. Probably just mind right so You know it was it was it was like well. I don't want to do this. I'm just not ready da by and and if you call it. She didn't even want to like she's saying not ready for to be on the radio or not ready to get married married. Nba Ready. We're trying to get buried to borrow you know it's one of those deals so thankfully she called One of my buddies that she works for and And until that she wasn't coming in this morning and he put her on the phone with his fiancee. And this is a girl she's she's about. She's got cancer and she has. She Has Guinea Lovey. Yes do you want to be with him yes? So what's your problem? Come on and then she kind of came up proposed to believe it or not. I told her get out here. Here's it's typical. She just she just over thanks. Thanks but Tonight everything's good. She's taking pictures of the Reagan and and all that she's just not not the norm so you two are now actually engaged right. Yes was the way it. What time was it when you finally put it all to rest so to speak and decided you were going to be engaged? What time I think. Probably Eleven thirty because I was typing you a novel at eleven telling you how much of a p O s I am and I literally. I was about to Vegas. We'll do that started eight. It was three and a half hours of them going around and around about this I an hour and a half of just you're the guy and then he finally admitted in two hours of we're not even in a relationship. I'm not ready. I can't take it you know. I'm not ready for that. And so after eleven pm. Finally they settled on. They are now officially engaged. So here's some notes just to kind of take it through the week. They've been dating for five years. Ian S- thirty nine. She's twenty five so that's their age twenty nine. She's twenty nine. I'm sorry you're ten years. I'm sorry I can't remember writing. I did write down. So there's a ten year age gap between the two of them and in. Can I tell when you're planning to do it? Originally okay originally. They are going to London in April and his original was he originally was going to propose when he was in London but decided. This sounds cool. I'll just do this even though he kind of knew she probably didn't feel like this was the way shoot. Well I never. I never went conscious. Dr Defied. I didn't win. This would win this contest. It up. So congratulations Ian and Christiane are the couple and Ian. Will you send us a picture of the two of YOU And her with rings a week posted on our social media to show everybody. Yes I get it to you okay. Sounds good did you take one last night. Last night was We were in the mood pitchers so you gotTA Games not in the mood to take meters after. You're also where we had other things. Okay one question. Did you officially get engaged? Did you get down on one knee and propose are did she come in and you said she kind of proposed you? How did that Guy He he came up to me. I was I was sitting outside and came up to me. And you will you be. Will YOU BE FIANCE? Will you marry me and I was like get. Outta here and the rain and gave it to MOS Moga. Congratulations that's wonderful. We're we're happy for the two of you and glad it all worked out. Finally the end. What a fairytale romance right? Hang on a second. Hang on. We'll be right with you. Hold onto that. We'll get some information from you. Make sure Jill Out. Man dodged a bullet. Let's see some of those London picture. We fit right in. Yeah that's why. So that is the mystery. Proposer is Ian and his fiancee. Now now fiance Christiane. I WanNa see her love that name. Lectures Jonah let's see is the face in Tj? 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I want to hear high take from some hot people on the radio. And they're like where would I find that? Boom you're gonNA find that in thirty minutes on the rundown on the TJ show runs down There has been a recent survey that was done says one in four Americans has dumped some one on Valentine's Day that's about seven percent one in four one in fourteen. Say He's at Fort Rice one in fourteen And the group that does it. Most millennials eleven percent has dumped some one on Valentine's Day compared to just two percent of boomers six percent of us has also dumped someone shortly before Valentine's Day in another six percent has done it right after if you had to pick before or after. Which one would you go with after really? I don't be dumped before the holiday and then dump them before during or after on Valentine's Day I still go before to get dumped. Yeah our dump them dump someone. Yeah if I'M GONNA if I'm going to be dumped around Valentine's Day I would rather be dumped before Valentine's Day then on Valentine's Day or the day after well and it says that the most common way a reason for breaking up with someone before Valentine's Day is quote. I didn't want them to spend money on me when I knew I was about to dump. Yes exactly for sure and I don't want to spend money on them but I'M GONNA dump them to no one. I had that really nice fancy dinner and then Get a gift you know and then Saturday afternoon. This is working. Sorry I was GonNa tell you last night but you had reservations still WANNA ruin. The Dare had dinner reservations. I had reservations about you so But doesn't say how many people dumped someone on Valentine's Day out of revenge. You know waiting for value. You did me wrong but on Valentine's Day I'm I'm GONNA pull the rug out from under you. That's probably a very small percent. One hundred percent increase. The Brits Dick Bouquet right in front of in general do you think men dump women more on Valentine's Day for revenge to be mean women do it women do it to me in 'cause mom. Valentine's much meaner I think women are under the False impression that man care about Valentine's Day. Yeah that's not true. He women dumped their boyfriend after they exchanged gifts are before all that on Valentine's Day. I don't think that women are out just to get you know. The majority of women are out just to get a gift and then dump them out. See if we're all that. Yeah maybe or they just do it after because they weren't really sure on Valentine's Day guy. I don't chuck all women up to be just out to get a little trinket or something. Yeah just curious but they are mean. Y'All are me. Yeah we definitely are. GonNa come to that cost though so mean vicious but ladies if you still haven't decided what you're GonNa get your guy of your guy and you haven't decided what to get your guy. Don't forget that Boston Market Rea- bouquet. They have one of those on TV earlier at that. Riggins IS GONNA get in the screen of Rio Arriba bouquets in Boston guard whilst in their own sticks yes coming up on Dow trending with Riggins have funding would be the guy got that first lady that worked for de-emphasis said keep me anonymous. I'm getting ready to go. Sign my divorce papers right now. Oh actually their divorce is going to be final. Are there signing the divorce papers? Valentine's Day care. It's a theme. That is sadness over Valentine's Day. Not that we don't care about the story you shared with the are. Is that what you were saying? You know what I'm saying. They don't care if you're getting divorced. You're like okay who cares. Let's get it done. Done a good day for her. It doesn't it and you've probably been through so much at that point that you're just like okay if it had to come on Valentine's Day it's not a problem we'll do we'll do now trending in less than ten minutes. Want to hear the best thirty minutes of today's ACE and Tj show listen to TJ in thirty a podcast available on the TJ. Show podcast on our APP available afternoon. Eastern stay connected funny on the ace and TJ APP available in itunes and Google play mores at TJ coming up. So maybe you've been eating right and you've lost some weight and all of a sudden you look up in the weight. Loss has stopped. That's because eating right can only do so much you need the fuel and Callan is the right fuel. It's not a drugs not a stimulant not artificial fuel. It is what your body runs on. Callan is what your body needs. It is Collagen it replaces the Collagen in our system that we lose as we get older helping. Burn off those fats and sugars and feel the natural energy and today. 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Show where we cover all the top turning items of the day and right now every top turning topic everything that's happening all revolves around Valentine's Day but most people in the Internet seemed to be Complaining about being alone or celebrating that they're alone and that they don't care they don't need a significant other because they're a strong independent woman or man but mostly women man they don't need no love. Nobody loves me like I do. And you know maybe. How can you space somebody else to love you when you don't love you damn self. It's a great point on a great point. What a lot of Oprah back when she was on what I do love is Papa. John's is looking out for you. If you're single or you're in a relationship they have Brought back the heart shaped pizza which you can get a one topping heart-shaped pizza for eleven dollars with Promo Code. Valentine or if you do have somebody in your life you can get the heart shaped pizza and some sort of double chocolate chip Brownie. I think for sixteen. Those are good. I've never had it. But how they used to bring him in here awesome. Did that back when we will get pizza once a week. They throw those things a narrow and then those cookies. How could it be bad too? Busy drinking at garlic butter sauce pushing down into the earl like hospital apple juice. I think they're the meats. Pizza is by absolute favorite delicious but is the meets the proper pizza to get when you have a you know a woman there. I mean the meats is not sexy no. I'm just talking about what I like. I'm not saying for Valentine's Day. Yeah in general if I'm ordering pizza and it's just more for myself. I'm going with the meets. Yeah we'd have to find something for Sassa because she's a vegetarian so there they got a garden fresh fresh spinach and tomato afraid of genetics cheesy kinds of options for me. And it's hard shape. I don't know if you can. I don't think you can get that one heart-shaped come in. What are you talking about the regular pizza box? Yeah the regular box just cases cutting heart whatever we Somebody asks Riana what she was doing for Valentine's Day. She just broke up with her boyfriend a few weeks ago. Who Wasn't he super-rich? He's like a Middle Eastern Billion. As if she's not super rich but he was super duper rich. Yeah so she said actually. I'm in the studio and she posted a picture on people were all year. We go fine. And she promised music in two thousand nineteen but she posted this picture has gang back into the STU S. T. U. S. Your studio but it also says the Neptune's right above so she clearly working with Hurrell and the other guy that's in the Neptune's I don't know his name but he's been in the news forever it either the other guy or as. Kanye would say the other other guys exactly Self well that'd be good. Maybe twenty twenty. We'll have some Riano music when she comes back. Negoti better come back with a banger. Yeah Yeah I think there's a lot of pressure something that changes the course of where music is going at the moment because that's what people are waiting for her if she comes out with like A. Here's many song it's about love. It's a mid tempo jam. It's not gonNA work. She needs it. People are waiting for. They're expecting after now four years. They're expecting her to drop something. That is hot. Yeah I think. Our biggest single was the one with Calvin Harris by far. So I think she needs to do more stuff like that and working with the Neptune's is a great way to 'cause they make fun music but I mean you know if you've waited this long though and you've teased people along the way you better believe that you're about to put out something that is blazing hot yet and I'm sure her record labels like hey. Listen let's get back after him. Leg I four hundred million in lingerie. Let's let's get back to me. I thought I misunderstood. I thought it was. She was working with not the Neptune's with the mighty mighty boss tones. Go there the tone. So we'll do the run down and ten minutes. What's the easiest way to get all our podcast if the TJ show out the TJ show more show and all our cast? Podcasts are on our APP available each weekday after twelve news. Stay connected funny on the act. J. APPs available at I tunes in Google play. This is the TJ. Show your edit rundown rebelo hot takes for members of the TJ. Show some stories where we didn't have time for today on this beautiful Valentine's Day Let me tell you something. Joe Lane Joe Lane Joe Lean Lane. She's the world's hottest mom according to the Internet and look at her look at forty three year. Old Joe Lane. Is that the one that people always think that she and her daughter are sisters that's the that's the question. She the one on the left. The nineteen year old daughter named I think Malani On the right. Can you tell? Forty three and nineteen. That's the difference. Yeah I would go on. The right is the MOM right. Imam is on the Left Greens. Yeah yeah she said it's due to eating healthily and exercising proper and how she forty three their forty three year. Old Women is hot at her. Yeah she not the world's hottest mom I mean. She does look younger than forty-three hasn't had seizures and stuff done on face. I don't think but yeah. She looks really really young Not Forty three years old by any means but you know he's fresh-faced limited that way she's fresh not wear makeup or anything she just looks looks young. It looks like there are in the desert in Bikinis. Where's the Bikini desert an Arizona Lake County thing? Maybe they have beaches much she said. Don't get confused by look so she's not one of these MOMS. It's out just because she looks good not out clubbing and going all those places with her daughter. She says she actually prefers to stay home. Get a bottle of wine and watch a great movie and cuddled up on the couch. But people assume that she's out with her nineteen year old daughter hitting them all because she's not accurate because she's posted a picture of a very tiny bikini her daughters in a very tiny bikini also. So you assume they're both wearing very tiny club outfits and hitting the club together not that I would ever be cynical or not. Take someone's word for something but is that really that big a deal that she saying. I don't do all of this stuff because her daughter is not old enough to go to clubs and stuff yet so we don't know whether she's going to be out clubbing with her daughter or not because James Nineteen. She's just saying right. Now I am. The daughter starts going to bone-shakers or whatever all up new bone-shakers would that bother you if your Mama's hot bothering you now the worst if you're a guy than if you are a girl and have a hot mom might that guy. That has a hot mom like that the way especially when she hit about middle school. But it's definitely by high school. The way guys talk about each other's MOMS. That would be brutal. His friends would be just ravaging him over hot. His mom is in that picture But kids I think having a pretty mom okay. I always told my kids when they were little. You know they were lucky to have such a pretty mom when they were little. Because you don't want your mom to be the ones showing up in a in a big duster with their hair up in rollers and stuff. You know cream all over her face and everything to pick you up at the skating rink or arcade or the bowl has them like that you like. Oh man this is my mom. What is she oh no yeah Mama? Yeah you want your mom to make some effort you know. What kind of cool? What about on the opposite end of. Do you want your mom to pick you up at the skate rink. Wear a halter top and no but you you wanted to pick me up like get interactive when the TJ show social media platforms easily found on the Act. J. Stay connected funny on the TJ available at Google play or Ason TJ coming. 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Illuminating the Dark Funnel with Ed Breault, CMO of Aprimo

Marketing Trends

45:29 min | 1 year ago

Illuminating the Dark Funnel with Ed Breault, CMO of Aprimo

"I'm alec baldwin and you're listening to marketing trends and the leeds art week. Hello and welcome to marketing trends. This is producer ben wilson. Today's episode features interview with f. brault c._m._o. Of primo in this interview ed talks about predictive marketing in the dark funnel people who are in your buying cycle even if you don't know it he talks about how to shine some light on that dark funnel and how to engage potential customers with compelling content. He also talks about conversational marketing a._b._m. And much more it's a great interview with a really thoughtful guest a big thanks to add for coming on the show so without further ado we've enjoyed this interview with ed reort c._m._o. Of primo marketing trans is brought to you by salesforce dot bb. It'd be marketing automation on the world's number one c._r._m. Are you ready to take your b._b. Marketing to new heights with product marketers can find nurture leads close more deals and maximize smile r._o._i. Learn more by visiting dot dot com slash podcast or click on the link in our show notes. Here's your host ian ian face on welcome to marketing trends. I mean phase on chief content officer here at michigan dot o._r._g. And we have on the other airline ed what's going on an hour you. It's a great day and <hes> it's gonna be a great day to talk about marketing getting predictive demand conversational marketing content marketing a bunch of things with you but first. How did you get into marketing in the first place yeah a great question <hes>. I certainly didn't choose it. I like to say marketing. You don't find marketing marketing find you. I felt like i was pulled into it throughout my career. You're going a little bit back on that. Statement actually did study <hes> marketing in in college so university at a bowling green state university in ohio studied stike business studied computer science. I guess you could say. I was confused with what i wanted to do with myself. I'm like i'll do the business tracks and also also do the computer geeky stuff because you know for that fear of missing out and so i got my education in marketing was a part of it had internships internships with companies like intel corporation for synergy and actually one of my first careers out of college was a nuclear energy so i got my start in big data building advanced analytic models for nuclear power plants of all things and then i she said i'm done with this and i got into the business world so got into a business model transformation with big four consulting at the enterprise is level just dealing with tons and tons of business complexity in doing that. I really started to gravitate towards the marketing aspects of business snus and i was just intrigued by it because it it has a true balance of art and science and then from there i i jumped two feet in and <hes> went all all in on marketing. I love it. Did you ever feel like kind of that early. Imposter syndrome when you were in marketing initially that like you're supposed to be there absolutely and what's interesting was i was always positioned as the subject matter expert or the expert i had folks who were who had you you know decades of wisdom more than me yet. I was the one in the room who had was representing the expert and absolutely i always said <hes> yet. Who am i on a blonde hair right now so i just said this to myself. It was my mantra fake it until you make it a just <unk> going just fake it and eventually get to the other side you know. I think that the fake it till you make thing is like one of those kind of like phrases now that has taken on a life of its own where it's like people people take that to mean like deceptive like be deceiving rather than the way that you use it where there's no uh-huh situation in your career in the vast majority of cases. You're always promoted to appoint a position. You've never been in before. It's just like how business works you know what i mean. It's not that you're being deceptive or anything. It's that you have to use whether it's mental models or use mentors or your colleagues or whatever it is to develop kind of like your own path in your way. Did you have any kind of early days. That were some of those like you know whether it's a a a mentor or meant model or something like that <hes> yeah i mean i would. It's not deception. I would call it another way to say to reframe. It is focused confidence. It's because many times if you put yourself through the process and act as if i say that all the time act as if i am the expert act act as if if i don't know i'm going to be a great listener. Yes so mental models for me. Are that number one. Everything you say can and will be used against you. So you use your words wisely people love to talk and if you're the listener you've got the advantage because you're collecting the data and then if you're really good at that process of listening in evaluating the information analyzing synthesizing it playing it back before you know i know it just that back and forth exchange. You're adding value in your growing from a career standpoint from a knowledge perspective and also if you always have that mindset in mission to always be a student about whatever it is that you're doing. That's a mental model that helps you get get that energy to continuously do it so i think it's not so much deceptive as a a method to grow in stay the engaged in in what you're doing so toes a little bit about a prima which you're working on <hes> for audience that may not know about the company absolutely primo. It's what's up. It's a brand. It's a company. It's a product that i'm highly passionate about but a primo think about some of these enterprise brands some of the best brands in the world old who do powerful storytelling through content and they have to do it at massive scale with higher levels of complexity they use a primo technology technology to power that storytelling so companies like walmart and lego in ikya and u._s. bank and large urged technology firms any of those organizations who need to reach audiences and are working towards excellent customer experience and engagement in need lots and lots of content have complex processes have large budgets in they need a platform form or technology of record to be that single source of truth across the enterprise and so yeah we have twenty five percent the global one hundred hundred customers and trust technology we have amazing technology partners <hes> like with microsoft and we leverage we're we're pushing the envelope in we wanna pull all of these enterprise brands into the future leveraging <hes> artificial intelligence as well as agility in processes processes because time is of the essence and we don't wanna miss opportunities and we generally want to raise the value of those marketers and experienced wins leaders and those who have content connected to commerce to the next level pull them into the future and build technology. That's future proof and can continuously we evolve in a rapidly changing world so wanna get into predictive demand and intent marketing <hes> like how did you i get introduced the idea of predicted demand in the first place absolutely so my job is to grow the brand grow revenue grow pipeline. I mean that's the c._m._o.'s job intel stories so when you get to the business aspect of growth you do a lot of analysis. You do a lot of introspection action. You look at a lot of your past. Performance in law stayed at cetera. So what we found out is that opportunities are out there but you just i can't see them so when you think about the total addressable market for your growth and market fit for your products what was commercially commercially missing was what's the total addressable in market meaning. There's the global total but then who's actually out there shopping actively right now l. and some of the data said that whenever we were having the hand raisers the opportunities come to a primo dot com convert through forms arms or through our conversational marketing channels. They were so well educated. They knew the space. They knew what they were trying to solve for. They knew the solutions out there and they really just wanted to see your wares. They wanted to see a demo and so they're already fifty seven percent of the way or eighty percent of the way through in their process but the problem is you're at a disadvantage because you're playing the game that they want you to play that <hes> maybe your competition has this set traps for you for so competitively what we wanted to do was get into what we call the dark funnel meaning. It's out there. It's anonymous. They're shopping behaviors intent in the market for a pre mel. How do we get out there earlier and more importantly ordinarily. How can we see it. What are those signals. What are those predictive indicators and then can we mobilise and get ready for it shouldn't should come our way and then how can we influence it to come our way so we needed to leverage advanced analytics predictive analytics that was you know scraping the internet and buying third party data to give us these indicators so that we could plan and prepare in get out. They're not not at that fifty seven to eighty percent whenever we were getting them but get there at five percent of the discovery process that ten percent of their learning phase that fifteen percent of their early buying cycles because what we sell is high consideration technology. A larger purchase takes a lot of consensus. We need to get out there and influence. That was our strategy. I love the idea of the dark funnel. Can you expand on that a little bit <hes> <unk> the listeners have been idea eddie of like what is what is the dark funnel absolutely. It's not the dark web. Let me say that first and foremost that dark funnel if you taking some <hes> <hes> methodology from companies like serious decisions etcetera where they talk about demand units within organizations <hes>. Let's take a company. You like coca cola. Let's say that you know there are large organization very complex. There's multiple departments and whenever somebody from coca cola searches the internet or does some sort of online activity or behavior those activities are tracked in made available for signal collection and so there's all these third party sites out there that collect an aggregate this online mind behavior and then it's brought into a platform that we leverage that helps decipher intent from other web activities so what we have to say is in here's where knowing your customer inside out through and through knowing your key personas ona's knowing what their mission is understanding how they think so that you can say this is when you hear these things on the internet. These are the things that we can use to predict intent for. They've got a pain point that we can solve and then all that third party data's collected and then it's brought into into our view our dashboards so then we can see taking you back to the coca cola example where in coca cola there is a demand unit a unit for what a primo has to offer and then what will do with that is the next phase which is the actionable piece which is actually really having account based marketing campaigns where we create a very bespoke experience to go reach out to <hes> those demand units in the dark dark funnel by media create content create infrastructure and then have them. I like to say follow the yellow brick road down to a primo so so that we can then get in there before that fifty seven percent of the way through their <hes> discovery journey. Did you find that some of the <hes> if you look at it like category or how you look at it but things like digital asset management and productivity management that some of those things were particularly difficult like an uphill battle or you know like in a in an effort to stay competitive in the market to stay top of mind. Were there certain things that you wanted to make sure that you kind of like quote on office as your words versus like industry words curious to kind of like that idea of <unk> category designing chretien absolutely and that's really how it is architecture. There are a branded keywords and there are industry keywords so branded things would be actually like words like primo that <hes> we wanna catch or our competitors so they would be branded terms if you're out there searching and you see a demand unit looking for a primo or one of our competitors terms we know what they're interested at that point but then getting into the you know the industry key words or solution keywords you would get the long text strings like content marketing challenges or <hes> digital asset management or omni channel content or best technologies jeez for the financial services industry or content for globalizing content or localization of content so these things that you're you're listening for you. Break it out and then you're able to decipher what is true. Intent verse may be something like a false flag lag and then as you let these models run and grow over time you're able to see okay. There is high intent in the market. Get four a specific term like digital asset management or what we thought was going to be a key term. Actually is something that searched by accident accident or picked up. It's a false flag so you're really able to stay ahead of what the market is looking for verse. You know when you buy data from from third parties like hoovers. They talk about you know this or forester. We know where the they'll have research. That says the digital asset management. Market is a billion billion dollar market but when you have data that you're seeing that you're sourcing what's meaningful to you is how can you turn that into commercial transaction transaction. What's commercially interesting for you. We had a recent guests who talked about how the c._m._o. Needs to be the chief marketing officer where fire it's about knowing the market and being the you know the expert in the company at the market that you're serving it seems like with predictive have demand and intend marketing and i think we've kind of like as a group kind of like collectively we fundamentally understand s._e._o. Like like demand for certain search terms but other types of like buying signal demand. I think sometimes little more nebulous especially like on channel like kinda talking about a little bit. How much knowledge do you think goes into like the prep of knowing what the market is. Versus being able to take take action from those insights. It is all about the <unk>. I mean you really have to. You know there's no guessing you have to do the research you have to know the markets you have to know truly what is relevant and there's a lot of analytic tools out there the a lot of utilities that you can use leverage bridge but there's no like silver bullets you really have to leverage the available on analytics and and tools that give you indication nations of what you should be looking for searching for embedding in your content to get some of that you know that organic traffic into work on your the domain the main authority of your your sights et cetera so how you do that is you get the best available data possible and then you've got a continuous test test and learn mindset in action. That's part of your execution so it's that's the thing that's always on. That's always working that you're never done doing because has things change as the market's moving so you gotta keep that constant finger on the pulse of what is trending what's important and then you know what's going to get you in <hes> so i would say then you know taking action on it is another thing you know. It's one thing to find out what it is is but then marketing is art and a science so why was really talking about was the science piece but if we talk about the art piece now that's that's how you respond to it because you need to think. Creatively you have to engage you have to be continuously interesting to your audience audience and be valuable in you have to be a trusted source. Everything i just said is a huge challenge yen. It's table stakes x-rayed. I mean will and this is where you talk about. This idea of like content. Sprawl right is like <hes>. We've talked about on the show people who are kind of like creating reading content for content's sake. I'm curious to get into that. What is your content philosophy. What are some of the ways that you've seen people manage like the massive amounts of content that they have that they're pushing out to be you know right place right time that real time engagement yet. He added the philosophy. It's the mindset it's why content and there's a number of reasons right. There's content to build audiences content to be helpful content ten when you think about the funnel what are the right types of pieces of content as you want to move your audience through journey while you can't just create content for content's sake it really should be based on data and what's your objective is so unless you've got a clear objective for content. Don't don't do it. I would say that really get to know who your audiences what would be valuable to them and then create content that is is number one valuable do you read it in do feel like you just drink glass of water and it was it was bland and had no flavor and there was zero. Calories in there was no value or you know is it. Is it a meal replacement. Drink right where it completely filled you up was valuable that is the difference between the right and wrong approach towards building content yet just because <hes> waters because his water <unk> necessary doesn't mean that <hes> that you're gonna tell your friend that you drink gloss today the most amazing glass of water yesterday actually i did it was <hes> water from a spring and i mean i do everyday oakland waters absolutely delightful <hes> but yeah yeah it's not worthy of sharing or talking about and you didn't really learn anything from it so i think it's really spend time do research partner partner with experts and think about what's that element of knowledge that you can provide to your audience that nobody else is doing because you want to be differentiated if you're building a brand in one of our objectives at a premium is to be a thought leader on specific topics. We want to make sure that we serve not just at a surface level but the deep dive expert. I like to call it. How now while content how do we do it how to write roll-up-the-sleeves up the sleeves. Here's an example. Here's a success story. Here's how company did something great with digital asset management or customer experience also now listening coming to the market what's going on in the economy something that's interesting right now not to go off on a tangent but it's been ten years since we've had a recession and and the longest we've ever gone before was ten years so creating content right now about. Are you recession proof. And how are you planning would how're are you doing financial scenario planning <hes> for your marketing budget next year. You better believe that some now content that we're going to produce and then while content right just that mind blowing slowing the future of those things that gets you really excited. Maybe it's a are v._r. Or i was in las vegas last week and i saw microsoft. You're <hes> <hes> very immersive mixed reality demo. That just blew my mind. I mean that's something that would be interesting to to use to attract an audience so how now wow allows <unk> framework. I like that you know we talk. A lot on the show about like marketing needs to be remarkable like you need to be able to take that thing and be like i you just heard this amazing story here this amazing thing or something that you share with the co workers something you share with your spouse or friend or whatever it is like if it's not worth <unk> sharing to someone then you didn't do a good enough job like it's just you know at the end of the day you know and whether or not your every single person that's gonna share it but but that is kind of another thing now the downside of that is everybody shares puppy videos. You know like everybody shares stupid memes and stuff like that so there is a tradeoff tradeoff there where it's like you can optimize for the wrong metric. Do you think that you know as the next generation of content marketing comes into into into site a little bit better. How do you think that technology can improve. Personalization in <unk> can improve some of these things absolutely yeah i mean we are we are competing against kitty cat videos and puppy videos and the the bottle cap challenge <hes> in that's in there long long form scroll of media but i think to answer your question. It would be leverage. Some of the most cutting edge formats things like we're doing gene at a premium are a are in virtual reality create engaging immersive content experiences and having that we call it while your audience that's a driver for us right now but not so easy right so a company my size versus like some of the examples that i gave you or our customers what they're these billion dollar in larger global companies who have a high level of well huge audiences massive reach which they've got complexity or compliance that they have to work with they could have regulated products as an example and when when you try to create great experiences or deliver content at scale like that what often is overlooked is all that behind the scenes work work to do it <hes> so that's where having something like artificial intelligence to help you with managing your content and then and served that content up and then having a content strategy which i use the term atomic content where you have the massive amounts of pieces of content whether that's the a._r. v._r. Tech snippets <hes> photos anything. That's used to create the experience having that all managed alleged in a way that creates what i call smart content hub so that you can literally have content stored at its most atomic level and and then from a personal standpoint it has all the meta data in all of the <hes> very robust record structure storing it so that whenever that experience experience happens whether that's an inbound experience push experience or real time experience you're able to serve that content at that right moment of need lead the context of need on the right channel in it's relevant invaluable for <hes> you're trying to reach at that point in time and that takes a lot of behind the scenes jean's work. It's something that's often overlooked for years. I've seen <hes> organizations just focus on the touch point experience but if you reverse engineer or that touch point experience of an awesome experience there was a lot of work that went into it and it's it needs to be powered by great technology. I wanna switch into conversational <unk> expand on this year. We had <hes> creggan sean for qualified on. We're working on a ton of conversational conversational stuff that i think is just absolutely fascinating this idea of having an actual salesperson in the right place right time would do you. I feel like the next evolution of conversational is i mean. I guess we're kind of in the first one where you have the intent marketing that we talked talked about that. Predictive demand plus those real time conversations that can happen. You know in a moment in time where that like hey did you won't talk to someone in the next five seconds instead of five minutes or instead of five hours when i see conversational marketing to make it timeless timeless i would just say humanizing communications and we talk about humans and <hes> they're pre rewired in certain ways and how we communicate is visual we look at facial features we look at body language and where communication with traditional shnell calms has really fallen down as well now. You're looking at an email now. You're looking at long form copy now. You're looking at a form so we've created created. All of these barriers between are effective communication with we want to have a conversation with so if we can remove that remove the silos remove that friction take the on human aspects of how we communicate and how our brain wants to work out of the picture. I think if we continuously chip away at that you know this first i intersection with the chat bots and even video right now are great. They're doing a good job but to take that to the next level. That's with everything thing. It's you can actually take some traditional forms of communication like an email but make it conversational and one of the terms that we're using promo as we call it micro micro copy rights. I don't do the long form anymore. Nobody's got time for that. We need to think about how we communicate well with you know texting and and with <hes> facetime on our mobile devices. Why do we like facetime. We can see who were speaking to so. I think the future of conversational will continue to chip chip away remove those barriers and just allow the thing. That's never changed in marketing. We always say the world's changing and marketing changing and it's never the one thing that's the same is the people in you're not going to change that yet. No and i wanna push back on the like. Nobody has time for for stuff and i took to clarify that. When you're doing conversational nobody has time for hey. Go read a white paper. That's the wrong place wrong time for that sort of thing. I i always think about like conversational as when you get on the on the phone with the robot voice and you just smashed zeros many times you possibly can because you're like. I don't want to sit through a single second of this person telling me my options even though like at one point in time it's like hey this was revolutionary. There's just options options now like nobody has time for that right but now you can have you can put those options in a message immediately with like saying hey you know from that from that intent ten here four things that people often reach out to or like ask us a question right now and then. It's like you know talked to operator. Whatever you know talk to a customer success person awesome whatever it is that they want to talk to and i think that that's the sort of stuff where it's like once you get down the rabbit hole of five or six or seven questions in and then you say hey if you're looking for a way to follow up on this topic like down the road. You should check out our white paper. You should check out the podcast series that we have or you should check out. You know whatever it is because i think that that's where like it is the hey signing off now like if you're looking for something else that might be helpful but i think cure exactly right that it's like people don't even want you know a massive paragraph in text when people text them in general now it's like the one line kind of answer so i think just like breadcrumbs those ideas out to how people want to be communicated with and just allowing them to talk to a human being as fast as humanly possible if that's what they wanna do and it just add a little more but sometimes we don't wanna talk to human rights in. Maybe it's three o'clock in the morning and one of my friends as like to say. It's a glorious time to be a lazy shopper. Maybe i'm shopping at three o'clock in the morning for a car or a m- researching something specifically and no humans around rick humans what they need to do. They need to sleep. They go on vacation that we work specific hours but if we can have some machines keeping being the the conversation twenty four seven three sixty five no vacations that's great too or the context of where i am. Maybe i'm in a board meeting and something came up up and somebody mentioned a specific vendor. I should be looking into. I go to their site on time for meeting but i can get. Some questions answered right there with a chat bot then then go back to your original question. I think it's going to be a nice blend of humans machines working together as a partnership totally agree. I love the idea of augmented reality. Not you know artificial intelligence shooting augmented intelligence rather than artificial artificial about it as should be the the optimum state event only get into some campaigns that you've run. What are maybe one or a few of your favorite campaigns that you've everton definitely account based marketing related. If i could connect back to our talking about early worth predictive demand it was running campaigns campaigns where we leverage the insights of predictive demand and we basically said we we actually saw their one hundred mccown. Well there was a lot more than one hundred but we picked one hundred accounts which had intense scores above seventy five and had various ranges of engagement scores worse <hes> with us and we basically said we're going to sign up these hundred accounts one hundred days we want to convert x number of them within that timeframe and we basically you know like some of the best home run hitters they point to the outfield that they're gonna hit the home run in there that bullish and there's just you they cracked the bat and hit the home run it was that we call that a <hes>. We actually looked at <hes>. What were some of the gnarliest surf pipelines lines out there in the world and when they came up was the banzai pipeline out in hawaii so it was an internal campaign and turn language called the banzai one hundred and cut the whole team rallied around it and it was one hundred days one hundred accounts one hundred percent focus one hundred percent engagement from our complete company and that that by far was one of my favorite campaigns. That's really fun. <hes> i've never <hes> worst banzai pipeline it is it's waltz in hawaii. I can't get too specific but <hes> it's known for one of the best spots of that's funny all right yeah n._c._a._a. I look at shrouded mystery would about a any tips or best practices on a._b._m. Campaigns absolutely <hes> a._b._m. Campaigns or hard to scale see really need to have your approach where you have leveraged the intent analytics as much as possible bowl. No you're finite capacity. No you're the capacity from a budgeting standpoint can be costly and you really have to tear them out and dan <hes> go after will be called pipeline acceleration in a very sparing way so that's a very bespoke campaign where it's very high touch super customized <hes> super tailored on the personalization scale. You can't do all of your campaigns like that. Ah so from there you cluster the rest and then you basically create groupings or sets of accounts which look similar miller. Maybe they're in the same industry. Maybe they're looking having the same problem and your value proposition and content resources that you use can be used in a more scalable way so you have to be economical about the design of it is what i would say to make. It look great yeah. That's absolutely great advice do line. How do you align your team around around. Those types of campaigns is it kinda like you know six weeks sprint to get those certain things done. Is it a rotating ongoing campaign like how do you how do restructure those yeah we have very specific cadences for each and each has a specific time line got a specific set of steps we automate as much as possible about the process and we use technology that helps keep our business development representatives and the marketing automation working together hand in hand and very coordinated coordinated way and things as they progress down a funnel and you know engagement scores go up and we start to see them pull into the funnel then you get into our sales funnel <hes> and then from there. We changed some of the tactics now we're knowing more about those accounts and from their takes on a sale cycle time line. I love that that's great okay. Let's get into the lightning round. These questions are fast and easy. Just like marketing automation <unk> dot com slash podcast learn more about b. two b. marketing on the world's number one c._r._m. Fast and easy marketing automation dislike these fast and easy lightning round questions at are you ready. I am number one. What's your favorite one day. Get away in the pittsburgh area on my bike cycling for about a one hundred miles hundred hundred so my brother-in-law does the death ride in the mountains here in northern california every every year and i think it's i think it's around one hundred hundred i'm not sure but it's literally called the death ride and i just you know you're amazing people. I don't know how you do it. I i couldn't do anything for a hundred miles. I can dry for one hundred that yeah. That's i'll i'll do iron man's which are hundred forty point six so that's not even the full distance of one hundred twelve the which the race calls for but yeah love to be on my bike. It's my happy place what apper using under phone. That's the most fun the most fun lincoln's pretty fun tick talk. My daughter's tick tock so they turned me onto it. I've totally aged out of that so they would be embarrassed that i said that but <hes> that's the only fun app. I really have but like to understand what they're doing so that i can again be prepared for that when when that workforce comes comes into play. What kind of technology are they expecting so. I like to stay in touch. Do you have a favorite booker. Podcast the rhetoric to to recently favored booker podcast. I love henry rollins. I think he's got an amazing podcast. If i hit the lottery i would <hes> i'd hire him to let me tag along with them follow along on his adventures able get him <hes>. I'm sure we could get some fun. Voice over work for for henrietta riana on a marketing trends original here down the road. It would be intense. That's for sure yeah no kidding. I mean he's a marketing pro. That's for sure that guy built the brand like none other. What about favorite thing to do in your free time or maybe a hidden telling her passion hidden talent passion. I do like aac music. I like punk rock music alike thrash metal so i grew up playing the drums <hes> that that'd be a hidden talent. I don't actually brought it out. Once for promotion we were doing an amputee content promotion in my teams like ed pick up the sticks bang on the snare play the kit so i did that but no i i generally like <hes> hip hop and punk rock and thrash metal. What are you most excited about for the future marketing it has to be when seeing again and this is one of the things that comes around where the things that you only imagined could be happening actually happened so five years ago things that we're doing today in marketing were thought not to be possible but with the advances in technology again back to artificial intelligence and what big data is doing for us just those things machine learning it's just so intriguing and then the the the processing power the computing power that's now available in the cloud for us to do things that deliver great experiences and <hes> create again a friction lewis experience you know with the with the rise of expectations us using using technology for good. That's what i'm really excited about and then i you know again that future of of what marketing is is being the foundation of it's being built today but are we going to be able to have that creative vision to bring it to life. That's always the challenge but <hes> that's an i'm excited for the challenge the mission to get there and leveraging all the tools and what's available to us as marketers in the best possible helpful meaningful way. What is your best advice for first time c._m._o. Get comfortable being uncomfortable. Get data knew how to <hes> speak the language of the c._f._o. Who liked that final question. What do you never get asked the you wish you were asked more often that i'm like totally stumped on that one. I have no idea how will you answer that question. <hes> turn the tables <hes>. This is great now now. Now now the pressure's really on here's my it's like. I don't think people think it would be interesting. Maybe or i don't know yeah i mean i would say one of the things that i think people don't ask enough is like what is your leadership philosophy. I think that's i love leadership. <hes> studied at a lot at west point. I studied a lot in my time in the armenian to passionate about it and think it's just kind of like one of those things that weeds leaders kind of like never talk about which is crazy and like myself included so that's probably one of the things i i i mean yeah. Nobody ever asked me about my hiring philosophy. Oh yeah let's do that all right. What is your hiring philosophy. <hes> my hiring philosophy <hes> first of all you know counterfeits one but very quickly it's fire fast. Hire slow sounds harsh but recruiting and finding talent to match a team the matches your culture culture is the number one most important thing you can do to create a great company. That's willing to go on your mission and that they're willing to go on that mission for the amount of time that it takes to achieve it. So what do i mean by that. Take your time. No who you want really ian vision so i work with my team. We need to find new talent. We will go through. We will talk about the objectives. They need achieve. We'll talk about the right type of person that this would be and then also if they don't work out. You tend to know immediately. If it's not working now in the worst thing you can do from a team standpoint is to tolerate <hes> or keep on staff a team member who isn't keeping up or isn't fulfilling their their part of their role is that brings the morale down right so there's the halt. The entirety of your team's energy jai gets taken away. 'cause for me an energy person. You're either giving energy or you're taking it away. If you're just taking it away then that's an issue right because you can start to starve the complete team of energy and then with that <hes> the other thing around culture fit. We've got a cookie cutter hutter culture for me. Diversity is very important and it's not just ethnic backgrounds. It's not just nationality -ality. It's not just male or female or you know or sexual orientation those sorts of things. It's really no matter who you are. What you look like do you you bring a unique set of experiences a unique outlook and do you generally have something that you can give that the team doesn't have today. Why that's important for me is because my audience is amazingly diverse. All regions countries with all different thought processes that they have in so. I need to create a very diverse team in order for me to do that. There needs to be room. I'm for that diversity to find its way in and not have a candidate not be considered because they don't fit some mold <hes> because who i want there is no mold for yeah. I know i love that night. I always think about the fact that you know. You should always kind of feel that tat little bit of you know. Is this person the right you know the right fit because they're not exactly like me like that's a comfortable place and then if over the first month they're just really not than i totally agree. I think that's that's awesome. Advice has been awesome. 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"Fund next time. Y'All are until you can fix blue yet. He might blue daddy mentioned. Daddy blew my blue jetty star. Wars Lee Eddie. Last the last Jedi only way to bride a show and tell program for really really ridiculously excited. Grownups I've Hannah and these are my co hosts. Aaron Invent Aaron on the Computer Ben in the room. We'll get I beg to differ both head. Hi HELLO TO SPRUCE CLUES. High are in the same room at a in my old bedroom At our parents house on Brown uncle Brown. It's a little warm in this looking. I was trying to remember the heat up trying to remember. There's a fan in here. The snow dark dark. Because I think you're in front of a window but it's like your own light room. Yes we did not turn any light on. Yeah there's a light it's messy though in this room. So are we find out today? He the way he gets dressed. This revolutionary is. He throws clothing all around a room. Math how straps that's mother said she said it was his dressing such enclosed around room. Does he throat clubs around hoping that one will land just so that like him? Yeah I think that's probably. Yeah that's a tornado method. The tornado method. Yeah that's classic it's pretty classic totally so yeah we're in the same room. This is also a completely. Is it three day weekend? Sunday edition way too broad. This opposed brunch Sunday episode of way. Too broad enough to have Monday off as well. I am working tomorrow. I could've taken it off but I just didn't take a holiday. I didn't get it. I get it that's bullshit. I think it's okay I don't really care And use it on another time another time. Now he's another time. I am going to work remotely tomorrow. So that's good that's cool. Yeah Yeah but I'm happy for you guys live in your three day weekend high so I do feel high talking. Faded borough president. We all just came back from rich. They went out wrench Molina. I made branch but I feel like the French feeling is in the in the room confession. I also had brench yesterday while high that the Roman that Al. I've been reeling to Brunch lately. Because you know what's great about Brench is. There's one hundred percent of the time great vegetarian options so you can often go to restaurants for like there are many good options but they make good food. Usually of great branch options for Vegetarians. Like Nice omelet with a ton of veggies or whatever like hell IAEA splendor make waffles every weekend for Brunch sometime Saturday and Sunday so I got a question. How do you guys feel about? What is branch something that is time constricted or his brunch? Just the first meal you have of the day but it's later than breakfast usually is. Can you have brunch at three? Pm OR ONE PM ONE PM. I think yes. Maybe one PM CUSP. Yeah yeah that's the. Lunch is far since two leading ten leading eleven and ten thirty eleven prime brench. Yeah absolutely brench hours. Although Carolina had brench one yesterday because we slept in weekend. That's great to maybe it's in relation to wake up. Yeah it's GonNa Guess also matters. Yeah exactly Aaron. What are you drinking? What'S UP. I'm drinking an iced water here. Nice and I'm drinking Yeti Rambler for a huge. It's not it doesn't it's just insulated rambler. Google it. It's not all it's why is that the very thing you were talking about when you said that either okay very similar dimensions to my mug. Maybe what are you drinking? I got just iced water. There it is. It's right here in the room with me. Nice that drinking their drinks. One is Just classics been drift. I gotTa Spendy. It's blackberry flavored. I've had this one actually. Don't love it yeah. I don't think I love but I don't like I would drink if add on you know. Yeah it's it's it's fine. I like to pour it out. I feel like it'd be a pretty color fucking ground poured out every cannon beer cool. Do you want me to speaking of beer. I also have a Non Alcoholic Beer O. And I have been investigating The World of Non Alcoholic Beer. Because it's one of those things that is becoming more of a thing now I told you guys about this. I'm slack but I'm excited to have been actually try it it's a vines definer or as we rightly know wind and snap can you Briefly go into the history behind witness because that's a deep cut. Yeah it was the first. I think it was the second year we went to Savannah. That we Is So it was me you Erin Yearbook our friend. Your Best Friend Sarah and Iain and we went to a Thai place for dinner. Is that right? I don't remember it was it was. I think it was like Rahman night at like a Towel K. Place or something. I don't know maybe it was just like an Asian fusion type place and The so someone asked what beers they had on tap and this like she must have been like sixteen to eighteen age waitress was like trying to name off beers but clearly had never had in her life and one of the ones she said was. We have like this that and we have the sink. It's called wind and snap and then she liked continued on and we were like puzzling over. What wind and snap could be for a little while and I'm not sure how we figured it out. I think maybe figure it out and then I was fine. Stefan enter defense. It's a long German name. It's yeah oldest brewery according to them. So it's a four name but we call it winded. Snap all the time now and it's just one of those things that like. I love it. It's so much more fun than saying their actual name. But you do have to explain it anytime you say anybody else is a shame Detroit. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah right so so. This is my favorite error. Maybe like first or second favourite non alcoholic beer had five this week. Nice that's a lot Got like a six pack or six. We've six it's fine it is. It's kind of weird because it does taste like beer. Just sort of minus. Yeah something I don't know I guess it does lacking something I think I would say. It takes a little more watery. I think well yeah I mean. I'm sure there's some volume that they have to fill There's I think there's a few different ways that you can make up heloc beer I don't know how this one's made but to me what. I find impressive about it. Is that some of them I think. Maybe it's just like in comparison but like we were trying them. In order of how well reviewed they were so started with the least least good and went to the best reviewed an when was like third or fourth on that list But to me it tastes a hell of a lot like wind and snap actually tastes. Which can't miss at every beer that we trying to you know and it's a pretty fear to begin with a so so it does. Maybe that's part of why like the lack of is a little bit less frustrating. There was another one I really liked but we only had the one so I didn't bring it but maybe I'll bring it next time if we get more it's just I don't know it's an interesting world out there right now for like alcohol alternatives There's like a whole I feel like people are a little bit younger. A lot of people are like not like that Inter as interested in drinking is maybe I was at their age and so like the alternatives are becoming kind of more interesting than they used to be so I would recommend to honor. Here's an interesting. Ipa's that are not collected. You try any of those. Yeah I did. That was the highest reviewed one night and it was fine. But I don't like IPA's so I don't like yeah. My favorite non alcoholic. Ipa's not drinking. Yeah exactly water. That's what I have. Nice oh how. Check emails or anything. Either check that out. 'cause I don't get no check those emails. Wow that's so many unread emails that you have on my God. What are you at eighteen thousand nine hundred twenty seven? That's my personal email. That's not the way to Broadway mill. We get so many emails. Lewy body. yell we take anywhere from. God connect with some amazing and interesting games just for us. So there's cool chill. We end up on these Ben. I don't go like relic signing up for things. And it's very. It's confusing to me will mope EFI. Maria's a okay all right so excuse me you're excused then had an upfront thing. But I took it away from him so he can't talk about it all it's illegal. He can't talk about yet. Okay Cool Google Jovan things. I don't think so. Wow we're GONNA probably I wanted to talk about our obsession related silent and talk about Actually real quick a you have started streaming. Is that part of what you're talking about in Europe session okay never mind your first slow nerds My obsession is streaming. I've I've been streaming. Yeah Yeah so last week. My obsession was everyone. Recalls operative time randomized got that working and I was enjoying playing at the only thing I was missing with somebody to share it with and then needs to flips. Were like you should stream and I was like yeah. That's a great idea. That's going to be what I'm working on this week. So I- promptly started a project to try to get my streaming setup and that was really fun so part of my position was learning about that and then most of my obsession has been the streaming itself So it was interesting 'cause like I don't have a PC. I have like this old laptop. That sucks that's an acer running like that windows. Whatever windows version like is not a laptop but it makes you look like you're on a tablet which is just so stupid. Yeah Wonders Eight. It's so stupid I use that to like get Miranda miser working because it wanted download any of those sketchy Internet files to my like Nice Mac but I haven't macbook pro a nice one that I had for my last job. That is a very good computer and so I was hoping that I could get streaming set up on that and there are some Internet resources out there that talks about like how to do that but Anyway did a bunch of research about like all the setup and stuff like that. I got the stuff even though like the graphics card. I haven't this computer. Isn't the recommended one. But I've been pleasantly surprised I've had run into a few kinks and have been able to kind of like overcome them And get set up going. That's really great and So now it's myself is such that it is like zero more effort to if I'm playing the game just like start streaming so I think that's cool. Yeah so I have everything. Set up Desk my computer station. And then Though the way my capture card is this is kind of like maybe not super interesting detail but it's It actually goes you plug your console into it and then it hasn't out. Hdmi out that you post Blantyre's also a splitter. Yeah so yeah it's Nice 'cause I was doing RCA splitting but that was causing the screen to be dark I don't know why like too dark like managing dark and I was like well. Let me try this like itching. My out and it was perfect like even brighter in the stream than it is on right wanted her. It's perfect and there's not. There's I guess. Dominic noticed like a little bit of a lag. It's not at all like annoying. But it's just like this like barely perceptible act so I think people who are super sensitive to that maybe wouldn't enjoy it but I don't notice it that being said I just have it the the game running to my computer monitor and then I can stream it right on my laptop. So it's this great setup working really well And it's been really fun because ever since I started streaming thinks that ever since I started streaming it I think at least one family member has popped onto my stream and it's been so fun just to like hang out And my little brother. Dominic came over the other night and we had like I think five family members like watching including your to Hanging out with us and that was ridiculously fun. I was having a lag problem on my stream which I've since figured out. I wish I had gotten a figure it out before but just like dropping a bit rate Really fix that have had like no dropped frame since then. So that's been really awesome. It's fine it's really fun to watch it. The only thing is I always feel like rude because it takes me so long to answer you when you ask questions. Oh no there's a. There's on to a lag. Yes so you'll ask your question and then maybe like five seconds later I'll see it and vice versa and vice versa. Yeah me all have my twitch stream up just to monitor it and it's there's like a three to five second delay between what I do what I what when it appears so. You're planning on Valentine's Day. Most watching we were chatting those fun. Yeah that was fun you're cooking artichokes. I was on there asking for tips on how to cook are not one. And we're with relation to what Aaron so this has been fun. I've just been having fun time. You know it's it's fun just to like since it's no more effort just to search treatment when I'm playing it's fun for whoever's around interested just pop in Also it's led me to a fun little side project I'm working on which is A item tracker there are some item trackers for when you're playing ot ran a miser and there's some like I think there are some like windows. Native WANT LIKE WINDOWS. Applications and there are some web based applications. But I haven't found any MAC based applications and I've been interested in just kind of dipping. My Toe developer By Day I have been interested in dipping my toes until like there's some programs that make it easy to make little Mac desktop applications so I started a ot randomized tracker for the desktop. Some to get that just into a place where I could start using it and testing it out and stuff so that will be fun for me. Yeah so that's Great Dominic West. Come over again soon. He was gonna try to come tonight. But it won't work to stream again and so hopefully that'll be happening soon and it's just rivers to having a good time with it inspired me to start streaming against into shopping for shopping for parts to get a better setup alcohol. Oh Yeah area. Oh sorry I can send you the capture card. That have now Erin and I were talking about Give me Your capture card. That's actually how I have. My friend just gave me this unheard of. Yeah I understand talking about captured. We're talking about. Maybe we have a further listener. We have a family Slack that has like everybody who's willing to use slack in our extended family and and we have a nerd talk channel which is where errands been like announcing streams. I think you might have in the past two we were talking about maybe starting a channel specifically for streaming so that you guys can do that without feeling like you're spamming anybody not yeah. I don't really think you should. But but then also if people want I think it might be fun to kind of try to inspire more of our family to destroy a little bit like if there was a channel where I could go and I know that there that you guys were in there and could answer my questions. Maybe I would stream something. I don't know what we should coordinate when you're ready to start streaming again We should coordinate so that. We don't have conflicting streams Mostly because I want to watch it if you guys don't heating yeah. We don't need to split. The family of Sir Schism you former schism started started. A is a really interesting way to have a conversation with somebody. My big brother was watching my stream the other night and we were chatting and by me and he would type something in chat. I would see it. Answer Him with my voice and he was like this is a strange way to have a converse. It's still fun. Lucas propped on the other night. Shout out and we chatted and caught up. That was like so fun. Just like it's A. It's a weird way to have a conversation with somebody but it's still was really dope so stress out there was a you gotta spam her when I was one hundred yeah when Dominic I was fooled by the spam or when Dominic Streaming. That was so fun to have him over because I was just Kinda acsi driving and he was he was driving and history were spam and I totally thought it was a real person. I think you could probably make make us like a cane. Make people admins naked like ban? People odors moderate. All right. I'll make you all sweet. Yeah I have a couple of things. I'm pretty happy with my technical setup that there are a couple more things I WANNA do. I WanNa make myself a nice little banner. Banner Michael for my for my little. Lay Out with my paint guy. Okay seen my way out I have. It's really cool. I have technical questions about how some of that works for you later on but like some of the timer stuff that's really amazing but anyway Yeah the software Vian using in case anyone is interested as ob S. open broadcast software. Think it's called. They have a mack APP. And it's great honestly. It's it's like super. I've been pretty surprised at how easy it is to just get up and go and get set up and start going and just tweaked little things here and there along the way so anyway. That's been my full-fledged obsession of like totally into it this week and hopefully will keep cranking on it aaliyah to what's up to get so I already have a we that has homebrew get randomized to get the randomized and put it on St Card or anything else that goes into that. Yeah there's one more thing you need we MoD light or any other application that will Basically take the the wide that you create and install it. I don't know exactly what it's doing it's taking basically a wad file and installing it on your on your we so vote. 'cause I 'cause I think the thing I have like I can just play 'cause I had like a modified version of Super Mario Sunshine. That had like practice things in it and I could just like play the ROM that was on the card. Okay I can. I'll look into that. Let me send you the Youtube video that I used plan we saw and I can buy Henry also designed homebrew like five ish years ago so it might be out of date by now okay. Dominic put on their longtime ago. So it worked. Just look and I can send you few need any files. I can point you in directions into That would be fun if you start playing. Maybe we could share share a seed created together. There's also an option. I think dominic was telling me about where you can do to player so like the items are randomized between two games. You find you can find. Thanks for each other. Yeah you'll find something industry there for your game or for the other person's game the at School San summating. I don't have many more details about that. But Lou that's Crimson Sash to all everyone who has watched this week you to of course Lucas Aunt Brown matty anyone else in that one guy who is spamming used to spammers out there challenge them to an Ian Ian like Pompton. He hasn't yet most he was chatting for awhile in helped me out of a help me out in one section. Yeah he's smart guy. Yeah crying crying during inquiry something else to say about that all right. That's all for me. Wonderful Great Obsession. Aaron very fun nickel all of us. That sounded sarcastic. But it wasn't sensor can stay. You've been you've been such a loyal watcher. I feel your real nece. Yeah I felt behind much ing for you because I appreciate that cool. I think it's been neck straight YUP. I'm excited we all know what mine is. Well three already know yes. It's a little thing called without ice in your mouth. Yeah we'll call fantasia okay and for those of you. That don't know what that is listeners. It's the inability to purposely. Bring images to your mind or also described as not having a mind's eye and I recently discovered that I have it well and the Ritz at the story of how that happened is there is a viral tweet. That was going around. That was like a picture of it was like the Directions. Like close your eyes and try to imagine apple and then there's a picture those like a scale of one to five one being like you clearly see an apple in your head and five being you see absolutely nothing and I was a five and my first reaction. Your seeing that tweet was no one can actually like see things in their head. That's ridiculous I had no idea that that was like a the way people lived. I and then I think later that day Kylie and we're going to a friend's house and they're like four people there and all of them could do it and Kylie was a one and I was like what the fuck is happening. Just point of order I think the actual viral tweet has five being. You can see the apple perfectly notes. Not I think it is but you can look it up. That's fine team Ben here. I think the five was no no picture. Senator bookmarks can shoot. Okay show so I want you to show me. He can see it clearly in his mind's eye right now Hannah it's that's have been. I've been lying about my number this whole week. What have you been saying that you are so? That's the only thing we're going to figure out of that. Also has it or not. She says she's unsure. And when we I've been here 'cause my first reaction to this was to ask everyone knew about it. Yeah so I texted our family group chat and Hannah and Lucas. My Two Siblings. Both said they couldn't do it but in two and also but everyone else could including our parents Which I thought was very interesting and you centaurus and I was really confused. That what you meant like I was like I don't understand this tweet at all. Like what is what is that supposed to mean. Of course you can see an APP. Like what the fuck is this? Yeah I spent a lot of time breeding about it because so the word was only coined in like twenty fifteen and I think And there's basically this one guy at the University of Exeter in the UK who is researching it. His name is Adam Zemun and it started out with a paper. He published twenty ten where someone came to him because he's like a a neurologist. I think like a nerd neurologist psychologist nerd his Mary's fucking nerd nerd Adams Zemun. Someone came to him like another doctor and was like I have this patient. Who says that after his surgery which? I don't remember I don't think actually says what kind of surgery it was. But he says he lost the ability to see images in his head and so they did a bunch of Tesla's guy his the his pseudonym in the papers Amex That sounds cool and he was an art. He's a retired architect and so they did a bunch of tests where they had a control group of similarly aged men of similar backgrounds that were also architects ended a bunch of tests where they had like they had. They showed a picture of a famous person. Like Tony Blair. Or something and had them try to remember the person's name while all this while they hooked up to an IRA and they're looking at their brain activity their name face. No they showed a picture of their face. And how do you remember their name? Okay and then after that. They showed a name and had them trying to picture their face. Okay Okay and during the activity where they tried to remember the names. All of their brain activities were similar and they all did relatively well in it then. During the part where tried to picture the faces in the control group the parts of your brain that are associated with vision actively lit up like they were like actively using the same parts that you would be. If you're actually seeing an AMEX none of those places lit up. But instead a bunch of areas in the frontal lobe relate of cognition lit up so they were hypothesizing that it implied there were like other parts was brain. There were like trying to compute and compensate for the lack of activity in the middle part of the brain. So they're like seems to be a difference in brain chemistry so this that when that paper is published and New York Times writer whose name I will look at right now. Because I don't remember Lycee I'll look at it. I WON'T SAY IT. Carl Zimmer wrote like a popular science piece about it basically and Apparently they got a thing They being the research group in Exeter through this article. 'cause they put they put the pressures e mail in it and it was like he's interested in studying this more and he got an email from like twenty twenty five people who were like. I've never been able to do this. I didn't know that this was. This was a thing that someone was able to do interesting and so in response that it's sort of like a smaller study on that and sent all of those people like questionnaires to about their background. And there's like the standard psychology questionnaire Q- It's like the vivid something visual and vivid imagery questionnaires. I think and how the mall ticket in the lowest score you can get on his sixteen. The highest is eighty and they all got sixteenths for just not being able to see anything And it's something that they're more and that paper when he talked about those people who had emailed him was when he coined the term fantasia which comes from the Greek fantasia and like thought and fantasizing and the lack of ability to do that. So Yeah I've been asking everyone in my life about it. I asked everyone at work and all of them could do everyone. Everyone I talked to exit is not sure I talked to. I talked to four people at work about it. Three of them could and were very confused with the fact that I couldn't and wondered how like they couldn't even fathom how I like thought or got through a lot of areas of life without the ability to do that even though I should say I've never felt like it's actually a hindrance for me but because if it was I feel like I would have noticed it before Where people would have to like. It seems not even yeah. Yeah but then. There's one other one other person who was like. Oh Yeah I've never really actually pictured things in my head either. I don't think I can do that. so there. I don't think it's like in the as part of the I think it's part with Mex- they also like sent this questionnaire out to like some are two thousand people and found that based on these very preliminary results around two percent of the people that responded had FM Asia. Which is I mean just based on talking to people in my life. It seems like there's more than that but I don't know it's been like a weird week of like. It doesn't the idea of not being able to picture things doesn't actually bother me because obviously it's what. I'm used to Things that have like. I mean it's sort of like the the shock of finding out that your brain works in an maybe a very different way than a lot of other people in the world. That's been wrestling with a week. And why have been looking into it so much and also trying to understand like Puka questions people asked you and they find out is like well wait? How do you do this or how do you do that? Like all this kind of things and I'm like I don't know I've never thought about how I do that because I just do it. I'd never thought about how I think before. It just happens so I don't have a good answer for that and there's so there's a couple of other things I've read about it other than just like the original research. There's an essay by a guy who's like used to be the director of product at facebook. I think also one of the founders of Fire Fox and he had a very similar experience to me when he found out about it. I think the New York Times piece. I don't remember where he was like. I've never been able to do this. People can't just do this right and message like everyone knew that he. He messes a lot. More people about it But he and so extreme. Yeah his seems a lot more extreme or like he claims he can't have any sort of doesn't have like any sensory imagination whatsoever idea or like he's like just remembers fax and I was like I don't think that's the same as what I have like They wanted us both of you before I forget. Do you guys have inner monologues? Yes yeah I don't have that either. I've never like I don't really think in like words to myself It doesn't I don't I don't know another example. I don't really know how to describe to you. Talk to yourself out loud. No never so I got okay so so been brought this to our attention. I like briefly. Seen It on twitter not a whole ton about it But I closed my eyes. I tried to think of an apple and I didn't see anything You could describe. I can describe an apple but I can't picture apple But then Later in the week I was like thinking about I was thinking about the actual study. Had they used person news? Tony Blair so I I started asking myself like to describe Roberts and and when I when I am trying to describe Julia Roberts I think I can picture her face like but not with my eyes closed. I actually think that part of it was throwing me off was the closure is part So I don't know that I have this because I still. I still can't really picture an APP. Question do you want? Do you want to take the vividness of visual imagery? Quiz have found it online. Yeah it's six. It's six steps and it looks pretty straightforward. You WanNa take it right here right now yes send it here and also reading this guy's article like I. I've been told to imagine a beach like he talks about here and like I can. I can't really imagine a beach but I can definitely try to get myself into the emotional state of being on a beach like I can feel being I beach but I can't necessarily I can see it. I can see like a memory like my beach this summer. I'm like they're I'm like right there. Exactly I can see the colors are. I can feel the sand. Even I can't even picture color. Wow but obviously know the colors when I see them to answer your Enron. I do have an intermodal like I don't exclusively thinking inner monologue the license. Sometimes when I'm thinking through a problem at work I'll think through reading concepts but I very much inner monologue like when I'm crafting a story For US story competition I WILL. I will inner monologue it to the point where I can speak it out loud fully right like all craft all of my sentences and everything entirely in my head and then be able to then just say it exactly as lake have been so in that way. I think it makes me think only ever think I always have said thinking concepts which seems to be something that makes sense. I think that's kind of how I think about everything. Yeah I mean. It seems to just like it's interesting the way our brains are different. But it feels like it's not like a handicapped or anything because it's like I feel like more. It would come up a lot more. Oh I did too. I already took. I feel like if if if he hadn't lost. I can see how having the ability and losing it obsolete coming sort of a handicap. That's probably why it's like okay. It took so long to come up. You know all right. Should we take five minutes? I haven't done this yet like the clouds one. I don't know if you've got. I like felt cozy feeling as well. Do you feel that Ben? Conjure like like the thought of rain. Do you feel like you know. Yeah okay also I can remember. I forgot to mention this also because this relates that fire Fox. I mean just to fill this out while you guys take it. He also mentioned he can't he can't remember sounds or anything in his head and I can very clearly hear music in my head and other sentence. I've always made that. I always joke with Kylie that I have every song ever heard stuck in my head because it's kind of true like I'll have. I'll randomly start singing a song that I haven't heard in like five years. Just because if I kinda lodged in there but not not so with images and fuck end destroying this quiz I mean. It's kind of hard because it's self reported the Clearing anything up for me. But let's say you can. Can you pull that? I think it is a scale. It's like you have either can't or you can. It says I'm fantast. Fan April fantasia. Oh you're the vivid imagination. I have a vivid imagination which plan ric now did not give me a number because I can picture like it says picture a lake right. I imagined the lookout. There's a place where IAN has land up in Maine and On your way there there. Is this lookout. That looks out over. The the lake that they're land is on or near and you can It's beautiful like it's it's it's in. There have been there like several times so like I can there but like I. It's not I certainly when commerce off hyper fan so I guess I am but like Steph like apples and things. It's almost like my brain doesn't store at everything like it's I don't think it's my brain's preferred method of thinking about stuff you know but I don't think I think I must have the ability because I can picture Julia Roberts pretty well. I keep going back to her for some. Yeah do you see her like her? Bright SMILE GIGS mouse. Like big big bag. Wide-mouth who's loops tol twice? She's got Brown eyes. She's got like usually like long Brown wavy hair and she made the big mouth wide teeth. Why I picture her laughing with her. Big Mouth Worm. I can't picture that I can really see those big huge white. I said why is it the whole thing but like I can picture Julia Roberts better than I can kind of picture my husband like. It's like I really love. Pretty woman isn't But like I don't know because like when I was thinking about this all week when I was in high school there was a teacher who Went to efforts which I really appreciated to sort of teach us about our learning styles quizzes and stuff about how we prefer to learn. There was like experiential learner visual learner. Kind of quizzes to and like. I wonder if it's the same teacher. Oh no you didn't go to my high school her name was Mrs Mortenson. She was very nice she Determined or the quiz. She gave us determined that I was a an auditory hardcore auditory. Which makes a ton of centers for you and I think for me it's like it's not an inability but it certainly is a preference like when. I think about it like I've spent my whole life being much more able than like the average person To remember word for word what people say or to remember Song Lyrics really quickly And also I wonder if not being as visual in your imagination day to day is part of me not being so visual or I wonder if a lot of people who are A. Do you think you see things in your dreams. Do Okay so I do too. Obviously I have a whole. Apparently most apparently most people through just say they do see things in there so I wonder if that is part of why some people are so fascinated with dreams and some people are so bored with dreams. Because if you spend your whole day imagining things as vividly as you see them when you're asleep then you probably like. Yeah whatever like it's more of the SAM. Nothing interested in dreams so well I mean. I'm sure it's not universal yet like I wonder if it has anything to do with. Have you asked Rachel? I'm curious now I haven't yet. We should just plop it on the family slack. Yeah shut off story to China to show Surrey. Have you rushed shouted? Thank so so we've got one a fan infant tae-zhee Person when fantastic person in one hyper fantasia prison. I'm wondering Lucas also said he was like a hardcore five like me and I'm wondering how if he's actually like somewhere on a because I think it is somewhat of a spectrum between like being able to very clearly visualized things and being able to not see anything My wondering was about like horror movies like I hate horror movies and I think a lot of that is because I'm lying in bed trying to fall asleep and I'm seeing the graphic grotesque things. I've just seen a movie and I'm like playing them in my mind and they're very vivid and it scares me. That's like a lot of the reason why I don't like them and I wonder if flat like people who don't have that sort of vivid like imagine a night at nation but like can conjure. Those images are less affected by Because you see it's one and done under remember when we had our whole psalm. Ghost debate my whole my whole argument for Zombie using more scary is. It's like a much more like it's much closer to like a pandemic or something that could really happen And I wonder if that's related to the fact that I don't have the images necessarily of scary stuff stuck in my head so it's more sort of more so the idea of Asami apocalypse that scares me a new sort of like visual scary image. I actually it's funny because you mentioned that in the slack Aaron and that was one of the things that made me start questioning whether I was actually excuse me a five or as I was calling it a one was that I think that that rings very true but also like as I was thinking about that I was remembering times that I've had flashes of really scary images like while. I'm trying to sleep or often when I have to go take the trash out at night and stuff like my whole thing. Well being afraid that someone's going to jump out from behind a sort of I mean I've sort of had things like that before also because I will say that the definition of fantasia is the unable to an inability to willingly bring things to mind and I think there's that distinction because there are times where visions come into your heads out of nowhere. I had a few months ago I had written. We're talking about in the potter nut. I had very bad nightmare that involved someone hanging themselves and then coming life and turning their head and looking at me obviously a horrible horrible image it immediately with me up and I couldn't get back to sleep and part of that. Was that sort of image being stuck in my head but I'm not sure how much that was like actually like an honestly it was like if I I it's hard to think because I was like really tired and scared but I can't remember for like when I closed my eyes. I actually saw a fried just thought. About how fucking terrible it was. You know what I mean like. I feel very much the same fear. 'cause it's like your brain. It's like anything else that you're born with. I think your brain kind of competence. So you could just you could just as easily have like the same strength of emotion tied to the world's than than the issue. It's all about how we're interpreting it to like we're interpreting are are what is happening in our brain in a concrete way which is not at all how it is actually happen right and that's also why this is so. I think hard to study because by nature so self reporting and it's very hard for us and it could be that like I'm seeing more like closer to what everyone else's I'd just feel like it's being described in a way that makes it seemed like that I'm not Not mean and it's it's very hard to tell. Although this is a nice perhaps little teaser to leave on women move onto to Hannah. I mentioned this to Jim who I work with. And he was like and I mentioned how I met the study he rented by two and I was like I really want to do that. I WanNa take an MRI and have people look at my brain one doing this and he was like you know they're like people doing research related with is at Harvard and I know everyone so maybe I can send a couple of emails and see if someone's interested. Please do that so we're going to see. Potentially that will happen. I wouldn't I wouldn't put my money on it but I do work in research institutions. So it's possible. There's someone who's interested enough to maybe WANNA look in my brain semi and hope that can happen cool. Yeah I want to look at my frigging brain frigging brain. Just be careful because if there's an earthquake in there album able to read months in song yes I q you'll like when I'm reading a book or listening to an audio book like I'm thinking about a book that I read her had read to me and I'm visualizing like you're gonNA see their apartment. I can see their clothes. I can see them. I can see the car. They were driving a fair that they were at like. These are all images that were never. I conjured obviously. That were described to me. Can you guys see those things? No I can't sometimes but okay let me ask you this bend Have you ever seen a movie that was based on a book and thought to yourself? That's not how I imagine that person or that's exactly how I imagine I guess. Yeah but that's not but that's another thing. I don't think it has to be necessarily a picture in your head. Yeah because I because I can. I can imagine a person I know in described them to you but I I don't conjure an image of them I had I just. I don't know China's Julia Roberts though why no wide wide really wide mouth. It's growing. It's taking over whole case growing wrapping around or whole they should just about. I mean like what do you think about it? Yeah like point like the thing that bonds you to a person like there's more than just what they look like. It's like their sound liling that you feel there's like so many dimensions to every reminds me so there is this essay fire. Fox Guy and also there is a video. I watched an artist who also recently discovery she has efentija which is a good video for sort of describing what it feels like but she gets into stuff towards the end and as firefighters guy also mentioned it where neither of them like fantasy novels because they say because of this and I feel like that's a step too far of like drawing causation. That's said he doesn't dream it out in your so. He's like super extreme version of it. Also kind of like. I don't know he seemed he seemed like kind of arrogant guy to me when I was reading it and sort of air. Give the impression of like I love. How different I am because of this so he took it to the extremes in every way that was sort of the. Yeah exactly. That's of the vibe my gut and but the the the video. The person made a video. I didn't get impression from. I think I think it's more likely. Maybe you just don't like fantasy. That's a contributing factor. But like I like fantasy novels like fantasy as a lot and I like and I don't think that has to like it's I don't think that's related to the fact that I can't and that person who made the video like illustrated animated the whole thing. She's an artist. She's right so I don't think it it. Yeah it's lack of creativity yours education bullshit like. I don't really care for fantasy clearly. It's more of an opposite spectrum than you. I think it's people who find out that they have this. At least from those two and a couple of things I've seen have a tendency to like try and describe other aspects of the personality and things that them ribs possibly just don't like fantasy that's entirely possible our horror. Yeah exactly but it probably is why. You're such a dish back. Joe Probably why. I think that I've always been such a big asshole. Yeah change it so yeah exactly so. That's yeah so unfortunately I will have to keep being an asshole to everyone my brain till you what. I'm not sorry. I think he should be sorry for me. So thank you good night. Okay Cool Great. That's a neat obsession. Thanks for bringing that. And thanks for prepping us so that I could have my crisis about it though Lucas. You're probably listening to this. Reach out and let us know if you're somewhere more fantasia on the spectrum yet take the imposed to quit. I'll do it price breath easy to take pretty easy to do. Have a word document version of if you don't want to give your email to that website okay yesterday to give me your email to that website. Tickets through his. The results are not emailed to you. I did get my Alson but upon submitting the my realize I didn't have to so all right ready for Hannah turn birthed. Oh my God why is it so much trouble with this is like a known joke that you bless them when they burn my blessed Ian yesterday and he was like though be weird sounding sneeze as like fucking awesome. Well I can't even my best friend. Sarah will burp and then look at me like. She's absolutely disgusted with Aaron Growth. Feel shame which I find surprising and then that makes me laugh I always. She's always done it and I always have the same reaction I just feel shameful about it and then. I'm surprised that I feel ashamed about her seriously. Playing that's That's a good one yup classic. What you got cool so I'm pulling member on special and stealing an obsession from Kylie love. It that's great so if only I had some ice water I would be ben but Kylie posted in the family slack. We mentioned before about an album by Williams who is the leasing. Are they still together parallel? She's the leasing paramore. But this is a solo project that she's doing The albums called pedals armor And it's really really good. The album is really good. Yeah has some associated videos that she put out they tell a story that is very cool and fun to look at reach. Yeah and It's just it's just excellent. It's been nonstop stuck in my head. It's been one of those albums that I've just been like. I can't even listen to podcast this week because I'll get one of the songs second ahead and have to go. Listen through the whole thing. It's also very short. It's an EP. So there's only there's also it's not all out yet five this pedals from one. Yeah that's true but we don't know when the next one's coming right so there's five six five songs on the EP. And they're all really really good the the one. I would say it was. The slowest burn for me was leave it alone. 'cause it starts out kind of like slow and boring but I really like I really really do it So actually why. Don't we just talk about since we're all familiar with talk about all five of the songs and then I have a couple other eight and as I want to add after we do that? Says you can see the actual EP. Okay so the first one is called simmer. And that's her single. That Gee released off of this EP I love it. What do you think it's fantastic? Aaron Best Song on the album disagree but that's okay we'll get okay. Karen on credible rated simmer song on the album. I really really really like it as well. I would say my second favorite O.`Neil I also WANNA save the lyrics in this great really good. Like simmer is very different from different and okay and I do want to say this like as far as my history with Paramore I. I really liked them for a short period of time and then I kind of lost interest and it seems like they've done a whole lot of different interesting things like she describes herself as the lead singer of the genre neutral American band. Paramore tried a lot of stuff and I think she's always been the reason that I had any interest in them at all. She hasn't shredder roadways. I think she wrote or Co wrote all of their music. Oh I believe that yeah. She's got an amazing range. She's a great performer. Like you can tell it from the videos but you watch any live shows of theirs. I mean all about her like so. You've seen paramore she For many years had like Brightly colored hair various installers from her. Yeah she always like who are really cool outfit. She was always like front and center like serious lead singer material and just like so energetic and her her the power inner voice and the range and her voice has always been incredible. Also did you know. Do you know how old she was when paramore for fifteen. Wow and like hell when loud came out there like really really big. I really big album. She was like seventeen own wild yes. She's our age. I think now. Yeah but yeah right. We're both a little older than she is so there isn't she thirty one? She started when she turned thirty. One in December okay of nineteen eighty eight. So I'll never mind. We narrowed enough to be her grandma's. Yeah so simmers great Hayley Williams established great Leave it alone is a slower song. Aaron really likes it. I like it now. I think there's some amazing lyrics in that song. Get stuck in my head way more than I would think it would. There's there's this verse. I think it's like the bridge of that song and it and it. It's very sad but it also like kind of feels and also. The time feels very personal. I feel like it's about a apparent or grandparent getting Alzheimer's or something but But there's this this verse that like it's like if you know love you best prepare to grieve I hear that that particular even just that one line get stuck in my head all the time because everytime like Even about like my cats. I'm like Oh man I love this. I love this cat so much. They're definitely GonNa die before me. What the fuck just got an email from someone in Portuguese received? Your email will return as soon as possible Portobello what the fuck. We didn't send you anything. I gotta like how change our password or something but people give out whatever address. They want like the people that they like. Pick an email because Aaron was just saying that you could give. It doesn't have to be doing well. Well just like people can sell your email like you sign up for something and people will sell your email says if a podcast related things. Maybe something like that. And so you cannot add like plus something at the end of your email address. Do that if suspicious that this lightweight sell my email address. I'll do plus like I just did. Plus THE VIVID RESULTS QUIZ. Johnny if I get any spam minutes from email address on that they sold it To pels for armor I wanted to say about similar also very much about leave it alone and the whole album. The base work as album is incredible. It's like the central instrument and I love it like especially in. Leave it alone that I. That's the base coming in for like the main melody in it's incredible. It's so good. Yeah very very. It's just really good. It's like it's like A. There's a lot of cool creative things happening in every single song. But it's also like it's so subtle in its way like especially when like when I think of Hayley Williams I do think of all the range in the power that her vote that she has the ability to give to vocals but she kind of subdued it for a lot of the saying on this album and there were times where she totally could've gone into liquor powerful upper register she chose to Kinda. Yeah Po- back which worked very well and You know it's nice to hear like stretching in that way and still making really cool work. I think she's done a lot Some of that with paramore as well which I'll get into so the next one is cinnamon which I know is Ben's Mamer and Kylie's favourite my favorite video to my video one hundred percent. I really liked the video. There's also inter I forget what they're called preludes or stairs music videos for the first three songs. Then there's also in between them like extra little two minute prelude videos that transition between them They're all really cool. Cinnamon is the best one I think so far and Hayley Williams shows how much of an dancer she she's also a great dancer did not know. Wow cool I haven't watched video. I WanNa tell you a funny story about sitting. In which is I found out yesterday that IAN finds the The there's this part. It's like the way it starts out and it repeats throughout the song where she's just like settling in finds it really off putting like he like he can't even really enjoy the song because it like hurts his brain fascinating. Yeah it's like I love it. I think it's five particularly care for. It isn't my favorite. I love comes in like that right away. It's great I like words at at catchy and good and love the video. I love the dancing. Our love the way. It's just a great song so I'm like I'm more than willing to excuse it for him. It's like nails on a chalkboard Joyce Yeah I love creeping speaking of lyrics about Komo maybe the empire creep in Yeah. I really like It's like your perspective on like a vampire specifically monsters in general. I feel like I've never heard in a song where she's like pitying and she's like what are you doing like we bleed holy water. Why are you even here like? And then she's like poor little vampire don't you know I'm a moon in daylight so why you creep been around here? It's just like I don't know it's just like feels like a very powerful position to be in a sense this like thing. It is some kind of monster I like it a lot and also love sudden desire which I would say is the one where she likes her powerful. That's the closest to compare more Sunday. Yeah Yeah but really really really good Love and then also. I wanted to give like an honorable mention. So when Kiley I linked to this album on spotify. I think she fixed link later but when she first sent it linked to a playlist called pedals farmer instead of the actual EP and so I had the first like five songs in order but then it has like a whole bunch of other songs and some of the repair more and some of them are other people. I haven't listened to the whole playlist at all. It's like sixty songs but the one that comes on right after the first time I heard it. I thought it was part of the album because it kind of fits a bit is called hate to see your heart break but it's actually a paramore song It features a joy williams. Do you know her yes. She was One half of the civil wars. Yeah Yeah Yeah So. I didn't know who she was. But they made a song together Let me see if I can see rally curl up what year this came as Christian singer. can usually me go to album like a contemporary Christian art? Okay so this song was in the middle of a paramore album. The self titled Paramore Album. That came out in two thousand thirteen And but it sounds like a almost like an allison krause song like I'm actually. I could play it for you guys because I think I can make well. Aaron you listen to it up late for Ben showed signs in to see sounds nicer. I love the harmonies It's just really pretty. I just added that to my liked sawn. Yes I like I actually meant to send it to you earlier Erin because the I thought that the I actually Kinda WanNa sing it with you at some point if we can. Oh Hell Yeah if you can learn guitar or something. I sure can cool. 'cause it's probably only four chords it sounds like a pretty simple songs like data actually thought it's almost like a country song which I agree with all of it but it's beautiful. I thought it was. I thought it was part of the album You know just goes to show that paramore's had a lot of range for a long time so way to go hit an oh and also the other thing. I realized that I hadn't before when I was I was trying to play this up. So the other day there was like a whole discussion going on about whether or not She seeing the word. Kevin in the in Simmer Bluster discussion more. So more people just being wrong Yeah but I but like mean. It's absolutely what she's saying. I mean it's fun to think about now every time. Listen to sometimes. I'll sing it like this. In many ways to Kevin Hispano Mayfield laugh but it was pink dots phone a lot and I happened to be with them at the time and Uncle Brown and so I was trying to play them this song but like playing getting spotify to play album or getting. Alexa plan album on spotify is annoying so I just told him to play Hayley Williams because I figured that's like the only Ep She's put out solo and that's true but she's also featured on a ton of things that have been very popular. Yeah like wish wish right now that the Ob Song. She sings the chorus too that she sings like she. She's been Partnering up or or like there was another one that was like one of those albums where all of the vocals are featured. Because it's a it's a like it's about the music. The person doesn't usually when they feature vocalized. Oh I don't remember what time dentist but it was well known. Should it a teagan and Sara ticket? Sarah put out an album. The Con- X. Covers were they. They did the entire album the CON- but everybody to cover inhaler Williams did a cover. He did that a really good one of a great sign nineteen. Yeah so Yeah I've higher album in learning about Haley because she's been really a cool time. Kylie till may today if you go to Haley artists page. There's a playlist. That's just a flower like praying hands and apparently this playlist is like made up of songs that influenced pedals for armor. Oh yeah that made sense to just released couple years ago. I also saw an article where someone had tweeted that. She stole influences from some like Danish artist or something who put out videos but then she kind of spoke out and was like. I've been very open about who my influences were for this whole album. All the visuals and everything and you know these things happen but like I would have said if she was an influence but she just wasn't I hadn't heard of her so she just wasn't so I believe her at the moment. I believe I believe Hayley Williams and she's great how I recommend shots Kylie. This has been so nice to listen to this week. Just been enjoying it. I love get new music. That's laps. It's really great. Yes thank you so much. She's she's up outside right now. I thank you that we're really heard that so So yeah it's been it's been great. It's been like all I've been listening to so cool Homework Mart Cool. I'm my homework is to watch me stream. Tv slash earn burn underscore og. That's e R N. B. R. N. Underscore og 'cause Ernest taken so they can earn Bernard Tapie Notifications on so that I say you know retirement stream okay. I'm GONNA probably stream as much as I want to probably and then when Ben Starts Stream and again we're going to coordinate so we're not streaming at the same time. That's how that's GONNA go. Ben Is are you also going to stream probably as much as you want to pros much homework way? I've forgotten what I'm saying I got I got a new thing. We can say What like it's kind of like terminology but it had nothing to do with the in this time when we were. What is it when we were at Brunch Mom was talking about this show. That were watching. But she's ahead of us on it and she was like. Yeah this episode. That you haven't watched yet really annoyed me and I was like don't tell us because I haven't seen it yet. And then she continued to talk and I was like mom. Don't say don't say me like ms. Start SAYING THAT. It's like a stronger and more than don't tell me. Yeah Yeah Okay Ben Richer Hilmer. My homework is learn about affectation. Reach out if you have it or think you might have. I guess take the CUE TV. Iq Roller said hit a Levy I I thought it would be fun to correct you on something. You said it was fun. Yeah Q. also might twitter's nicely Twitches Disco Greg Greg or Craig Sorry Erin. And he's probably about won't appear. My work is chick. The whole table check check mile. 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#162 - You Laugh You Lose Thanksgiving Challenge

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#162 - You Laugh You Lose Thanksgiving Challenge

"Free to well. Well well Friday. Who would have expected? We'd be here the day after Thanksgiving yet here. We are because we recorded this on Wednesday. But don't let that fool you because today is a landmark episode of the HVAC sleep podcast. I guarantee this is something that we will look back on for years decades to come maybe then and millennium to come when we get our brains beamed up to the cloud will be looking back for thousands of years now. Let me describe what we have planned here today because this is not usual episode of the H free podcast today as a special Thanksgiving themed Zach New Slam. The doors. Hardy began Oh didn't even work. Yeah I tore the door off the hinges on the last I episode. I think you just tore the top off. The door is just totally okay. We're off the hinges here. We're good day is a Thanksgiving themed episode. Man That doors we put like a stopper like a doorstop maybe upper on it. And what would it be thanksgiving. Themed Episode Without the whole gang here with us is of course ill the beautiful. The gracious which is fine. Thank you who Clapping yes we're we're thankful to think I'm clap. Yeah absolutely with us. Zach lab. Bank Uber Uber. WHO's dawned in a big lebowski shirt donny's last moments on this earth the recipes Donnie with us? We have Ian the intern who despite his face is happy to be here. He's happy to pick you. Thank you you. Of course Dan the producer he makes it all happen. Fixes doors to GATT squeezing everything between The reason that we've the ball and Sarah who by the way is on the lives with does she have a camera life switcher she does. Wouldn't it be possible that Sarah the host. Well thank you guys. Oh we've got ooh and shredder shredders to and shredder. So why are we all assembled here today. Well here we have a Pumpkin Popeye as is tradition but beside it we have cool. Whip a time honored topping and yet another giant jar jar of manny boy young. Somehow Mayo's become the tradition here on the park. I don't know how how did Mayo become digitisation. Shannon hates it so much I think. What was it? The horse he saw the started. A start you we watched the world record. Manny's the woman eight all those Jersey and you thought you could take almost like you know you made a valiant effort. But that's so so began the legend of manager. Well today we have a special episode. Where where we are playing? Try Not to laugh. Everybody genre of favorite genre videos on YouTube. Here's the deal. Each each of us is presenting a collection of videos designed to make everybody else laugh now at the end of the round. I have a tally. I have five notepads for each of you here so you keep a tally of who failed and the loser everyone else gets delicious taste taste of Pie with cool wet. The loser gets a taste of Pie with a huge thing of manning's and guess what they have to finish it or they're fired. Oh I don't remember that Something's gotta be at stake. You GotTa hold your feet to the fire Dan. Do we have a sponsor. Oh Yeah And today's episode it is well served by manscaping cool also proud and happy to announce that it is black. Friday Friday and Teddy fresh is black Friday thirty to fifty percent off everything on the website. Did I stutter. Guests thank from color blocks to new releases. Two time old classics every thirty to fifty percent off. If you WANNA tenny fresh now now's the time you will never see prices this low again. The color block has never been on sale before it's thirty percent off. It's outrageous. You better get over there quick before while all supplies last isn't that righty Lo. That's right Lotta plugging. HVAC shop is well. We have a lot of time to plug the streets reshot. But we'll talk more about that later. Let's meanwhile just get into it. Dan The wizards attempting to fix the door. Putting it's putting a lens cap underneath eighth but it seems to thin so what about just just. What is my Coffee Cup? Just yeah. It's not a jar Mayo Woodwork. There you go we shove shove some use Kleenex under the all right. Dan have seen. I guess I'll go first since I'm here here. I have eleven videos lined up and I have to tell you guys aren't going extraordinarily confident. The rules going forward award is that you can smile. You can stifle a smile but the moment you make a noise you giggle you. cackle you exhale through the nose right. What's the verdict on a smirk? Are we gonNA like a no you have the but if it was a silent but okay you know. If you're like smiling I think ultimately the presenter needs to be the one who who draws the there they'll be clear winners and losers I think Yeah somebody will merge. Who's going to be the weak link here a laughable moment? I need to like wait a minute. I think it's going to be the week I was. I was GONNA say actor. Yeah I I left everything so yeah. I'm not be rough in a tough cookie Dan. There's so much at stake for Dan because in the end the only one I usually armagh hearty laughter as the audience knows but But I'm going to be trying trying real hard. Yeah so I don't know what's going to happen with them but I mean guys is GonNa be tough. I think it's going to be tough even for me so Well what if few laugh at your own video. Yeah then then. Then I'm fucked. You can laugh at your own video. You should definitely be able to uh so you can kind of just is going everybody else into yes. Oh does everyone agree. I can laugh at my own videos. So you like influence fun. Yeah I think that that makes it way more okay. So Oh Nissan recently had. When do we start? We're starting we're starting. We're starting I presenting. Guys cannot laugh. Get it now. Now get it out to go without fuck connects to me. We're they already lost. Are you ready so tasting would do is take a small darning classic Zeke. The warmest part right here. I'm going to invert the spoon. Cover all nine thousand taste but area warmed up grabbing up that topcoat. I'd agree Dan Vanilla file and I'm trying not to if I had never seen this before I would definitely be passing. Well okay. Let's move it on uh-huh I mean there's a lot okay this one I feel you're going to do a spoken word for us now right and tell us what we're about to hear. Oh just a freestyle okay. I'm just going to pick it up as style. Well let me sit back. Go ahead Marshall Classics Years Ago. Try to Zach. Slap me as they try to. I lie then you laugh. You WanNa try to read from Your Bunk Doc. Okay Zach lost it. I feel like he left to you. It does. I think he gets gets one thing. There's no there's no scale year well how many I I don't know multiple Latin. No one being perfectly then is delivered ways whereas the most things at the end is the one that only one. Yeah Yeah Okay. So since Zack has more laughs I can laugh on the next one. And he'll still yeah. Okay Okay Gotcha. Is that one ding reading for me. That's one of those Dan Zak. Okay Okay Watch. Plus everyone wants to do is. Is this watch on profanity. I'm sorry. Let me do that again. You guys watch this. Oh no laugh After the video laugh about watch it again because you have it. Is this profanity right. I'm sorry I got this. I'm sorry another one. Yeah uh-huh because you already thing are you. Are you laughing at mile. Wait what are you doing no. I was keeping an eye on. He looked like he was you. Chuckle Chuck Berry End. Zach laugh dummies. You could give me a day. Okay so how you guys okay. So everybody reform focused now. What really happened on Thursday here to Gusta High Schoo- KUBECK led to Chris? Woods deck. The puck is all the class. The town ship flat in my mouth. Fuck K. C. pilot. And get the fuck got. This country model cook came anyway. I am doing it again. You Guys I love that led to Chris Woods deck. The puck is what do you do. You can't look away suggesting my hair. No you are looking away during the moment in the video. Look would you watch that TV David. What really happened on that Thursday here? Gusta high school that led to Chris Woods deck. The PUCK is I'm fucking contrast fucked up feeling. They don't know what I feel. You just six hailed from your note there. Fuck okay. Let's get the fuck out this country mall of Cook. I'm carrying Cleveland Dance. I love this. Did he wants to live up to that. One era Did you guys know this video. Yeah I hadn't seen them all classics. What's going on here? I told you I'm not okay. Fresh I'm here to kill good evening on Kenneth Sita. Dana is is off tonight and he was murdered and then set on fire while celebrating his birthday and one more time. This is the best show ever. Dana is off tonight he was murdered murdered and then set on fire while trying so celebrating. His birthday is that real is that oh he just. There was supposed to be a comma between those two. Was Ron Burgundy yeah. He was just reading the teleprompter. And the kind of to send Together there okay. I just remembered another moment she goes. Oh come on a dish that Ari do you. Total the uh-huh all the women who wants to data worst pinkel causing course global global and good baskin Robbins. WHOA I will on new home? Game prevalent just limit on the go. Mom Bullets hit. I take it out of the way to head down table in like all this does right food. Yeah there's another another one in the middle with you yeah. I'm sorry I'm smiling hug. It's making me hungry. Yeah I've seen this guy before last the noodles. Yeah I thought people have posted them say this was the feeding window. Yeah we got to laugh at it again. This he's good. He's good another other Ding Ding. Everybody along. This guy is the ultimate there. You go good very good you you go. Yeah remember him Okay this is come on I I this is a deep cut vickers a one. Yeah yeah there's no other one life this particular one in the world and you can see the tracks go this way and It's really cool because because it it records much more accurately but oh oh my God happen every once in a while all. That can't be good because nothing. I've seen that WANNA bunch. I knew exactly when it came even brace myself Cena. I think that I think. That's fake. Isn't it. I don't think it's fake. I think the old man I don't think on it. I could be wrong that August. I think he's just acting what's the current score. Don't worry about the dealer. Thank in your life you who are you you. Yeah we want to shop. We want to get it. Jeter the determine is now lasted. The trolls flashes people taking pictures of them about. It's just the spectacle is just the spectacle to you because she's funny. Put the pants off of my mind because the cops and they're always right right. You WanNa go. You don't get a ship to you really wanted to fuck walk with Cameron Stop Stop. I'm saying I'm not getting permission to fill in for that for your closed. H This it's actually. A privately. Held us all really. You're going to explain it to me. Tell me why they're closed Cadillac. Fairview doesn't want you in polecat doesn't want me. That's why the cold apparently for quite got to say Oh man you're annoying join way. What's the score all this? I need to know worry about the score. Okay this feel like is This one might might right. I mean this guy's are you laughing you deal you know he's into this is a good one are you smiling. uh-huh the joy that this brings. You is making me laugh. This one is just more confusing to me. How does this happen Eh? Fourteen thousand views deep for twenty nine. This is one of my all time. Favorite video doesn't use for ten class of the decade. GonNa get them all he's going to get every last below. Oh He's struggling on this one as a big one as big boy. The Finnish balloon old people popping balloons. Finish guys doing a year. After uh-huh he's he's a veteran he's been popping those balloons since forty seven. Yeah Champ got more got more. Damn whatever happened to totally crap. Dot Com Aw lovely he said that was popping for you by Ama- popper to email address chat with me here on Yahoo. I am WHO. What is the I've heard of that before? I'm wondering what the of the balloon popping so yeah but I'm wondering what the what the pleasures derided that. Yeah yeah the sound sound on now especially. I don't know there's one more but it's really fast. I WanNa make sure that it's it's Set up properly okay so when you open it played on Youtube actually I usually I open then I drag it to my stuff so I'm wondering you you'll basically are immediately as soon as it's open and then you can so over it's it's close. I'm GonNa tell you there's someone who's losing right now but it's very close Neck and neck so here we go. Oh interesting read all right. Let's go okay. Everybody watched closely. Nobody Blink Choking EXAC glad you could be right now. Oh Aw man I think you lasted survival. I know the behind the scenes video. Okay there's one one more wild card because we're actually in a draw. Why not going to say but this one you guys go read Hug Jacket your classic? Let's watch it three remark times where I don't need a jacket. Yeah well you realize got guys were tied and you continue to you both get okay and the time to do this and then we gotta do the Bromo. So why don't you guys do that and I'll do that beautiful Set it up while Dan and get a nice pumpkin pie with mayonnaise on it. You know there's somewhere somewhere in the United States that actually is into that probably. Yeah there's someone somewhere Uber into mail. I'm pretty proud of election. What do you think? He's he's the throwback. Say What does it matter. I was purposely avoiding all these. I've threw in a couple of all these but I tried to find some fresh content. 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That's gotta get her. Yeah that's fine. You know I got. I got more than that. I mean what do you think little little lot of cake though can take some cake outta there. No that's what's GonNa try and so then okay all right here we go with. Dan has never before he in Manny's on the show. He has managed phobia. He's not it doing well But he's got swallow it and he Sting doctor what are you guys feeling. Let me know what's going through your mind. Oh this is good with the mouse foul. Well wishes delicious. What is the first moment that you tasted the mayor? Your brain is like wait. That's not the that almost came up. But how about yourself I guess so. So you're gonNA feel pregnant oiliness of it. That was good. I can't wait to win another. How does it Mesh Hunkin flavor? Yeah I liked actually like Pumpkin Pie but says might ruin it for everyone. Everyone every So I'll switch you see and hear those dispel. Keep a tally here. You go down some coffee. I'm going to take your disgusting Manny's cake with you I'm GonNa take my it opened back. Well now I'm not the can't lose the smell in. Here's pretty gnarly. I feel like I'm not even GonNa Laugh once if I'm being okay so I'm just going to casually heat pump then said I tried to. WHAT THE SMELLING THE MANAGE O? I panic uh-huh so I tried to find new content button some of it. Some of it did end up being a classic. We role that said had to be new. Okay your job is to make us laugh all right. Let me know when everyone's ready ready. We know eating. Follow the mile and they'll have it does so I didn't recognize it says feel awkward. Contact thousand six. I think everyone is having a good time. Catchy cyber begging stuck in some Mark Gormley vibes right there. I mean I was certainly entertained. That's something I'm have renewed Motivation here not to laugh after the light. So maybe it's a tough sell for now. I'm getting worried about my list. Then you pull up the plunger and lock doc employees on this match and let it sit for awhile basically weight about ten minutes. Then you take away Saturday let some air are in then you push it back in again to find this. I didn't know I went old school Dave into you not minutes fan then you talk the whole thing off so simple going. Yeah well keep it going. I mean don't lose track. Don't don't lose. While the sun is shining the ultraviolet arrays are. What ultimately cure the resin? But I'm not a patient man you much faster. What is he doing? He's fixing a broken glass on the rack. And your windshield. He can talk if they're paid like this one. Forget it because if they starved pig like this one there's no help at all the crack will grow especially when you put the defrost your on when a winner and he gets doing it it'll shed or like mad so it's in a can help young. Just don't expect miracles or Kohls more with fixes on the study kilmer channel so if your number one if another one of my new car repair videos remembering the ring that bell that Slick Close Dan. I was a little smirk over into your head. smirks up but yeah I mean you don't feel bad. I almost laughed. I did I mean it's a bummer. Because I wanNA laugh at this stuff. UNKOWNS is having terrible. Fate hanging canal is at the present. Actually if you don't make any of us lab I think you do know I can. I want him immunity from around. Go so crazy very worried because you guys don't get insecure. Just be confident and anyway. It's fine because you'll even has a mouse. How do you run a show without among if you lose still funny? Only because he's insane you just gotTa have a mouth. I have no problem. I if the if the presenter loses state I'm so screwed I'm done Bad as my pleasant side is wasn't I already don't push me. It's fine starving reading. I'm interested I like that. What I'm seeing good? It gives me a little pie. Break here yeah like the. You're not into the pie. Them Seeming Damn No. I'm good I'm good are you know chewing looking at your poison. Your can you pass me the quote. You put so little cowell. So what was that about this little DAB. A little DAB will do you. You Know Little Dab Dab Dab on him you know. This is what I'm talking about. What do Ooh? That's yeah the bucket. That's how you used cool whip. That's more cool with them pie. Well we but why. Don't you agree with him. He's in a lot of us a lot of with real. Yeah wars like you drench it. I've never seen I mean it's just it's just Whip Okay can you show your ratio fourth. Where do I wish I showed? Mary played a break there. Yeah it's it's fucking awesome. What's going on out there getting a package delivered and I think it is high the content to what can we talk about this more air? I'M GONNA lose on my own. Oh we got shirts. Let's wait till the next presenter. Senator Down Oh my God okay. My bad side is as bad as my pleasant side is pleasant all right. Don't push because I I like to keep things informal in here as much as possible but understand. The difference between informal and impoliteness and I won't tolerate impolite if I hear one more of these overly loud yawns. What the hell out yawn outside right class? Whatever it is you need to do to get over it? I WANNA know why two one hundred and twenty other people in this room. Don't find the need to do that but not sleepy and you should be that. has they do that. In Two hundred and twenty other people do better. It's probably like eight. Am Class guys hitting on someone yawning. Don't push me to this point again. That Guy Beats his wife. Because you don't push me to this point again like there didn't town class by the way if somebody wants to anonymously tell me who it is. Pleased whoa where did you end it. Open two seconds left. It says everyone wants to know who that was. Yeah Dan I don't have a swamp the park they got me that made. It should have made you. All laugh. Idea was and watch him. 'cause he's smiling. She goes my pleasant size. That's why does as my means I mean that's why it's time for some on the video that I'm party line and Marsha okay market. Yeah Ah yes you're confirming. Our is being soulmates. Because I time stamp at that point it out and I appreciate it because this room is cold. I'm Oh it's a tough crowd they'll tell you I'm writing to as my pleasant inside is pleasant this blade of my neck. I would've been guillotine. Yeah problem played again. You over. Robert got a lot more to get through all right once Ethan double back and reinforce that moment because I'm helping you know I'm riding for Ula. Hello so only in in our in the boardroom. Correct yes wow wow wham already brady come a little closer Joanie do they know do they hold tight. Hold on okay. So you're getting. Oh US guys. Never held Inter tagline Squirrelly Korea. You're fucking sick. That's a good one. Hopefully that's when it's going to get again endo you'll look in their company. It's okay do they know Holding Tight Jackson I wish I could see I think Yeah that's the point though. Yeah so funny that game pissed that's been moved fucking talking whole areas of your job I am I am and I'm so confident I finished my. Oh this is this is one of the best. When I'm not looking for is some big Sarah which is the point for talking? Oh come on you know somebody in this video really. Yep that's crazy. I don't know what I'm not looking for. Is some the big overgrown monster that's always thinking about food and who so it's life. Yeah Yeah that's a hell of a lot of sailing to outdoor activities like a sponge ball was pulling them out of a little girl's ear the more that was my personal time stamp. So why do it again and just staring in July two. I did laugh did you. Lafayette no so stabbed. You know in this video. Go ahead EELA. Sarah and I both know him he was an excuse. What about Zach Zach? Go ahead ahead. Just look at these two books Sung big overgrown monster that much. So why was it. Cool that people back then I mean that was just like so uncalled some big overgrown monster. That's always thinking thinking about food he's describing me do you understand. Don't put yourself down like all right there over. Let's keep moving. I got a call man I. It is getting close. I think very tied or maybe I don't know everyone watch. I got a good Syria getting serious dumb I'm done and see the Statue of Liberty from here acquit stop just McCain standard. When she touches Chesney people say that time heals all wounds brule shit all right? Let's play it again. And just look at in though he wants to laugh so does he eat tonight. I'm good urine Bruce One and the queen of the Universe Watch the. TV's in Coffman. The water is wine line or just one see in. What is what is video? Yeah I'm still law when she touches since. Stop if I'm not in there. I'm not sure what they were shooting forbid they're all repeating the same thing like it's like active look at her name is Carla Marla. Saw You can stop at five or six doors or one. I don't need friends. Yeah I know that's why I I didn't never got that deep video you could stop at five or six stores or just I feel like it's an addition of love. Honey Merkin five or six weeks chest against you could stop at five or six stores or little smirk action going on over there. Can I ask you kind of a weird question. Wigwam go over there. He could stop it five or six stores just one. The Dan Laugh only so far to the whole video is just ask ask excruciating. Afraid that trying to find like stuff that you guys haven't seen before the whole video got everybody. Even Sarah is the beginning. Beginning is I've seen in this off the screen before I left some connection there. You don't I feel like I just saved myself. Maybe okay okay so we have one more. Is it a tie. There's three people here at ti show. Wow could that be you that no. I think it's Ian. Oh maybe I think so. Three people one video. Hold it all together so so now I wonder if I should show the whole. Oh yeah this one is the whole let it breathe and for an attack where you see weakness John. I wanted to worse voice acting class. It's not honey John and you know what's coming for a long time well divorce. I always laugh when I'm upset over every time you said before. She just looked so keeped. I'm serious it's time John Serious. I'm absolutely serious. New New treating this like some kind of game. I'm tired of John. We loved you not anymore. Not your kind of games. You're games a cruel all the stock laughing. This is not funny things that have been working out for a long time and every time I tried to talk to you about the left over there. I'm not laughing. You're not playing these games the contract you're is tomorrow. Drop the papers and that'll be it can go our separate ways. Oh no no no tickle. TAGGART's overweight is no no no. It's just not just not not what well you know Roy. I don't know see what you mean. It's hard to talk about talking about six minutes past the question. Is We round tie and was the postal. I didn't I didn't laugh laugh. Laugh in the rules close a wildcard possibly brick. WHO's tied? There's a question. Am I one of the ones. That's time because I think it's Ian it's a problem because I gotta go run. Get outside right now. Oh here and she can get oh auto broker went to another school all right so do you. So is it me Dan in in your. I like it. Yeah so how do we. How do we do this? Do you want us all to eat a slice or what we did last time. I did last time so well. I don't know if I can do another so soon. Well you're just GonNa have to Puke done a lot. You should've held it down. Yeah you can't you can't say no Thanksgiving special I'll do like the tiniest did a big ass by a a huge dollar plus platinum. We'll have to do like that and a small amount of kick though no needs to be mad it needs to be mad at can you prepare. And and he's not doing okay. Just give me set me up a bite you want. Yeah ate it all fucking monsters so so you can take money just us here and there's okay. Yeah got me on but you have to slice Lisa Mail. Would you like to plug teddy. Fresh black sail a black Friday sale. TW- thirty to fifty percent off. But we do this okay. So Black Friday sale is going on right now now and this is all online but the way I imagine it in my head is like everyone is like fighting and those like somebody's craziness going on right now yeah. Grandma's are fighting. The kids are screaming. It's a lot of manage to people. Are The grabbing hoodies. Or that's a healthy radio. Just you screwed on your guy. He's good he's good yeah. Thirty thirty five percent off. Include the color block cookie and all all styles everything on the website you said. Wow really really really how I trample over someone for that heli literally pro. I would probably I would kill my cousins this thing okay. So that's something else for your cousin a good one Dan. Let's see Dan. I mean like the biggest biter Pumpkin Pie. Ever ask the flavor flavor cheers. Everybody got US yes. The success fucking gross or he'll he'll take off That is so bad. That is so wrong Nurse Oh wrong especially like it was like fifty fifty. Oh Oh my God that's so wrong This is my water wretch that time. It didn't almost throw up time but it's still that was still really I I am I am next. How do I keep up here with this as in my front row? That was so wrong about. Yeah don't like that. Not A fan. I feel the rolling. It's fifty fifty by okay. Oh come on. You've got immunity. Yeah Yeah you only have two more around to survive. Did you have to grab something. No no he's good okay. I wonder if we wanted to do was legit if what arrive. Well we'll do something. Well we can. We'll get rid well. Okay is this the best or worst show they should Certainly thanksgiving special. It's a special. This beautiful pieces been ruined by my eat. It off of a cell fucking gross. This is without a doubt the worst episode the podcast for the audio listeners is exclusively watching videos that they can. That's funny because last time when I tried to did not show video and just describe was that because because I can't show fights the video listeners lost their minds. I'm like well audio listeners. Deal with this all the time. Yeah and then. The video listeners lost their damage. Yeah well I mean I will include all these videos in the description for the audio listeners. Don't add that's a lot of clicking on links. Just go to just it's just just watch it Okay so yeah I mean similar to Ila Pulled I mean a lot less like long ones the more I gotta hold it down this time. Yeah feel queasy that yeah. That was just awful. I mean those everything was wrong about that. Tell me what you guys think about. This guy's inspirational speech for this football game lasts the corner. Nothing what Matthew W W it is that when you win you eat a w yeah they lost by like twenty points and there's one more time so he is typing up. This team is getting ready for. The context is important. Yeah they lost last uh-huh don't it's a bad added hype eat. I I was like yeah I WANNA win. I don't necessarily want to eat a w going to see it on everybody's faces they're not They're not doing it all right. Well you know the other day damn All right hold on good physical comedy right here and goes Alah you got it. I should get this on the TV. You can't look away. Did I look away from the time I feel like. That's the violates that back that's just real quick and just look I mean. It's a kid has got slammed the head of the live Bro. Are you seeing this. Shit Zach Nazi athlete. You're covering your mouth. You're going away. I didn't hear the laugh but the it are you taking that thing anyway to the curb but it's not gonNA stay there. I hope he's okay though. it's probably fine. Everyone but Ian left. That's some bullshit. Sorry that's the game is good and that's the game This one is a classic around says in. Everyone's probably seen this one. That was a really good one though. Damn Yeah I'm not losing you understand from classic before yeah Good active. I'm just like thinking of my mom dying or something. She just wants more him off his book. The Sky was actually nominated for an award. Look closely one one for healed it together together. No Laotian was close Dan all right moving on pretty good though that's a classic that's a classic. Let's see what movies are for Doesn't description I forget it's called Silent night deadly night part two or part one main people say the sequels rarely better than she was an exception Here we go. This is just this is just a quickie. This is just a quickie. Take a lot of effort killing killing it just once more the into into all right the fuck in handicraft stairs imagine you roll up. Great everybody I said in our sandwich seeing get along in awesome take it all everybody loss and that means I'm probably still NAPA design. Come on them together. You think of this Nicholas Cage Talk. Show a famous spread. yes dollar bills. I watch these days before the tax fraud. We're GONNA roll and they don't leave the state either. I WANNA see. Well I'm just. I'm just statements the watchword tonight. That's what ever expected that that guy would have been what fifty million dollars in debt. He just didn't pay taxes and spend all this money and now he's dead broke. Classic does a bunch of Shitty movies actor of all time He is a very good actor The crazier you are the better. The act like Doc. I like Tom Cruise. I like Mel Gibson. Has Actor used to be my favorite. Just so happens that he's an he Want you know doesn't doesn't like Jews or block people semi. It's just the Jews right now. What people do not doubt that he got he was doing that dry heat? He said to his ex-wife drunk on the phone. It's one of the best things every says. I hope you get raped by a pack an Edwards Woan Ricard on record. It wasn't that his girlfriend advocate with her and she who used to go on these drunken rants and calmer native any said that to her and she recorded. Isn't it the bad guys to play that on Howard all the time crazy. This looks promising. Yeah all this is going to be tough. I could tell by that so the Longmore The the accelerator Raider is going to be hard the same taking learning backwards and it kind of gets to run away good as a point forever it Kinda like because runaway chain reaction to his mind that thing lawnmower right on lemnos something wrong with the momentum of jerking forward is setting it into reverse direction. Hi again for this is a three way tie at the is it me I remember I patched one. I don't think it's me I think it is. I think guy. It's not me we've watched a lot though holding it down. I'm not eating manages time. Dance can eat manage Let's see We got here contagious laughter. That's cheating Dan. Such that's that's brilliance is with that is sir I say so myself speaking which another one by the way the ones that I chose where straight from my brain no suburb. It's just saying I learned a good amount of those words that lawnmower one. I had found a long time ago and I went seeking that out but then that led me to find this which was on the same celebrating. Uh I just can't stop myself at this point he's phase bre look fucking. I think that's actually true. Man That's impossible impossible not to laugh. Uh massat the girl that The dating was talking about it is so cold the girl into dating Davis talking about Oh my aunt. Am My six hundred pound. Life is that show was amazing. This one I gotta come on Ethan. Hold it together. They did this one. I don't know you may tell me I have to take this out Why I'm into it pony fish? I mean we had talked about there was like an H.. Three video about this before. I mean as long as it doesn't show like it's nothing. Yeah no where the people compete in classes. Just the same for some of these events competitive just like we end up with some crushing down. Oh a young kicking pretty put on career it puts a what they call pony space and I worked. They put the gear on. The actor turned into horses his mouth. It's like a ritual between US transition into a head space. Can I can feel through when he actually kinda changes from human space. I'M GONNA leave him here for a minute for Pony space came out in for the reigning competition. Because I've found for us during play if I just put him in a gear and then we go do it. It doesn't give him time to transition vision to express himself or oh he's definitely in the hardware. Our Eh is that outfit Bro- frostbite Sunday favor. The people on the sideline wrong. They got her best is when they added a second. Want you to know. They're all like McConnell they'll grow. I was the first laugh. Yeah well you fucked me up. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA keep playing more. Yeah I mean I feel like this is look this rearrange. It looks more disturbing taken. They're very proud. People are proud of him the tax. I'm sure craftsmanship gone. Wow these people finding it's also very important to the Internet the downside of the man right from the humanist ten user so interesting easily walk to the bar is kind of weight over there. He's killing very normal. Vanilla Ella Upright taxpaying citizens Monday through Friday so to get to take so much fun in this headed out to disturb. I'm keeping. Yeah not horsing around on this farm close and then that guy's face gummy to guys'll you look like Milton from office space to do it with my stapler might like this one. Just because you're a fan of his did I. You gotTA keep. This is not a good showing. I've seen this No okay time it. It was the motorcycle slowdown one especially in the second set motorcycles. Some really Little Yati Yeah. I thought I would get them but I guess wrong. He's already seen it spoil. Gather you got Mar- Mar I think I have one or two more here on do not. Even one of the my credibility is on the line to get this ready. Mayo's coming your way. I think think I'm sure I'm definitely either in second or first that's for sure. Let's see uh laugh all the time. No I think I've survived one round. Only Dan knows only God knows Zach hasn't had any yet he'd been home than down. You never had any male no in even had mail. Yeah thank God so What's what's going on over there? It's going to be tough. I'm just making sure I don't spoil it by Okay Ethan. This is your moment we are not losing. We are not eating manage again. Come on come on holding together. Bought the wrong fireworks. What yeah you know? I only this one because I I made sure to research it. No one was hurt. Hurt seriously hurt. Who cares it's Larry's because there's kids I didn't want anybody to be that's fucked? The guy showed again. And you Zach. L. Let's go McCall excited they are in a war zone pads sleaze. I can't laugh at it because I may have seen it the the other day. No okay all right well. Everyone else laughed. Well okay good man on Ethan. You're better than yeah. I think I have one like one last one. I need if I win. If I don't laugh which is a classic. I have a feeling you guys have probably bubbly. Seen this. Come on Ethan. Unfortunately fortunately it got its weird. Got The lead off Youtube just the other day and it had been on Youtube for it was posted in twenty twelve or something like that. We we can't show the screen right now. Oh it's not but Scarlett Johansson from That's that's definitely not a body right. Okay Yeah it's from the what's it called. Does Michelle Movie Both screen it first. And then let's do that three year trying to get close enough to go to. This is from Paula. Deen an oprah special the money the Great Race Leon mm-hmm The only painting Yeah together he held it together way. I don't WanNa see that okay. Wow that's wrong with us. APNOEA he does not want their members the Mayo AOL the Jewish laugh. Neither did I do not laugh so we ever gave a smile. And it's between our wonderful to co host. Do the night just not I was. I hate saying this but I really at a P Z. Say That on the day. I can't hit this I I know we gotta do the Mayo. And here's another thing is the time because probably go soon so my quick. So can we do like a power round and I mean if I have well I can buy off one because I don't have that many so I'll give you know first of all Ian Ian goes if nobody laughs Yui okay well and then you know we still go get that may and by the way we mentioned Tapie fresh dot com black Friday sale. Thirty fifty percents of putting the color block. Cut It down right now. Only a teddy dot com gutty and everything you love in stock. Everything is for. You're so it must go. It's probably gone already. We've got what what a difference visit dot com so allie. From on that. Because that's mine too. You said equal parts male. Well you don't you you said that. Not Me Okay so you will you lose uley equal parts. I shouldn't have said all right whatever you want do. Whatever you want equal parts equal parts dude bro? Now you're GONNA say equal parts it's deceptive optical illusions not a management. That's a lot of fucking lucky man. Piran ow YEP no. It's not look at all that man as Bro. It's like mixed up to but do you know you. We didn't laugh right hit it. Did you have yours yet. I'm GONNA eat from that. Oh God it this is find. Oh God oh God wrong so wrong. Like don't go my water to GET DOWN WHY AM I. Losing biggles spoonful Tori spoof power around right. What happens if we're not oh? She says she'll stay a little later. You'll remember a little later but with new this now now Ian told us this morning I have nothing. Though he knew for weeks he was supposed to be PR-. I'm just saying what whilst. Why are you can find something Kim fine? I don't laugh a lot. That sounds really sad but I don't okay if this isn't funny you're eating K.. Okay all right. How's that going down for you? Oh No yeah it's bad isn't it it's bad rejoin reunion of this soldier boy on twitch. All of his people were telling him to please turn turn the volume down. Refused come on the web at times because now you know Fuck Burn on Capitol Music Loud and again. I'm not I'm not sure daddy speakers now puts stopped playing unlicensed hose but ron the exact commoditised guys all of that so doing allies. He wrote a book out loud him. The shaking izak DOC In is does this thing where he hid smelling salts. Do you WANNA head smelling salts on the camera. What you were just helping you wake up to stay to stay fresh because you said if you guys have any props already make me laugh? I see you shouldn't have told me about it. Oh so these yeah the shirts by the way as that gets set up. Where's Look great so everybody show off your shirt. H H three H we shop dot com limited edition support your crew support your nation Shalom everybody in the salaried employees Dan Honestly the wizard. Eli Over it Zach. Anyone got Mayo. The joker h shop dot com limited. Time only we'll be in time for the holiday seasons. Let's go back. Let's get it okay. So how can I show you all the time. Yeah you got like ten minutes or bike to the air that Air France meme that I just start off with that carving up that white meat I think. Are you almost laughing. Damn he wants to while. I'm offended. Frankly I don't. I'm I'm offended by this more. Like a Kaha. That's dumb but you almost laugh. It's no well you and I think you should have to eat tomato for that one. Well the only one that hasn't eaten you yeah. So so here's the deal. Nobody laugh zaccheus male perfect. Um I'm here is a video of A. That was in response please. Tony Angeles. This getting into a prophetic macos solo by satire. Man that they're keen they're both someone digestive tract problems quickly called Manda that there's a miracle for you mandic Mandic Intestinal problems someone was similar. Intestinal Problem Quincy several people being delivered from the classic bags disability. Whether in many many children healed we've seen midgets grow arms and legs stop growing because the gross sales that stopped the. Make this stuff up. We have thousands of testimonials documented by people's lives. That have been tamed. You laughing then. I didn't I wanted to but I resisted. I love that we've had that was was they didn't laugh. I didn't laugh. We've seen it was a great. Okay okay. It was a great deal about saw. I've seen midgets grow up by the liver from the colostomy bag with run to spend tastic. Here is a crazy musician on a train. Always a good job. uh-huh Jimmy. The governor has in this one in the bathroom the because y'all yeah tough crowd. That was a struggle struggle. It was a good submission. I just want no. That was a really good mission. Yeah we're on. We're GONNA EAT THEM A. It was a very good submission. I never saw that. I was a new one. Here's kill yet think I'll L. Today. Okay we'll go. I want to make a Dan and in life European settlers still live and you hadn't played bridge a you're GONNA lie will play every day persecuted for their faith at home the Amish began coming to Pennsylvania in seventeen twenty s in search of religious freedom. They settled into a rustic way of life. 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It's Passover I'm interested that's rich richer territory. I'm definitely interested Muslim muscle. I'm interested in watching Zaki manage before we go. Yeah okay this might be a last one. This is why we're diary now. This is all right Charlie. Sasha Washburn Cohen won this award one of the Charlie Chaplin Award. mm-hmm come on no always laughing. I've seen I've seen. I've seen it many times very good though. Dan might be laughing. We've gone through give us one more is getting. This is getting sad. That was that was. The last. One was a good submission. There's lots of commissions. I'm just really WanNa see you find one good one now because the tide is turned against you. We are holding firm. Sasha Uber Cohen Pushing. Old Lady offstage Bro. That's classic though that was staged. Yeah Okay we get the Mayo already. KOMO's dollar Golic. We've got one more chance here while Zach serves you up a big dollop. Okay in light of a big DOLLOP big DOLLOP. Da huge late in the man is about to eat here this this joey's world and manny. My did okay. So I'm kind of nervous. Ezekiel her juniors not trying to get him on the jails Culinary thing that came up appointed. So let's try this. Let's see how good it tastes. Okay here we go guys something no good just wiping and I don't think he's joining. You never sits food. It's not enjoying it. That's how I felt really together. Yeah I felt it ruins your mail. Ah First The Dallas loving the nanny. Nandor Oh my God just go for another bite though. Look for another. You always going to Losing control by sentence here. This is the keys which the grabbing finding. He's GonNa vote for another by. Don't try this distinct spirits. My eyes are wide down. Dude he likes it ED. He's eating it now. Oh Damn wash this all right block. Walk all eat it all. Because you laugh Becau- d- How could I not show world tour. But they got a alphabet will thank you for your welcome back good submissions. 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Sessions Against Cancer // #87

Star Wars Sessions

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Sessions Against Cancer // #87

"Thursday probably Britain's greatest Star Wars podcast Rodger Rodger. You're listening to Star Wars sessions with Matt Hudson and Luke fly. This is where the fun begins good morning afternoon or evening. We're if you are in the galaxy and welcome to Star Wars sessions come for the Star Wars stay for the sessions. My name is Matt Hudson, AKA Jabba the Hutt and joining me in the cockpit of the Essex Falcon. He's the greatest Star Wars Man Fan and body out there. And if you age close a shared narrative and you need someone to have a libation with look no further than the blinds. Wow. Wow. I loved it. You'll like proud of that would be like, yes another weekend of a blight upon. Okay, well scraping but we're getting there. We're getting there like we are getting there we get into a lot of things. May I am absolutely buzzing main boy how an Earth has your week been? It's been pretty fly my friend, but I've heard it's been a good week. It's been like nice chilled weekend. So I've been able to catch up on Films be like to catch up with football being able to catch up and having a few beers Keys, which is what it's all about 15 watching the few Star Wars films as world, but like recharging the batteries ready for another week and we're ready for another Monday. We're not Monday brings light. I'm calendar for you off. My I'm I'm loving it. I was just in Windsor today. I've got a couple of days off well, and yeah, it was good for my went to the castle went through went inside it a little cheeky to like a dog. Virtual tour is already social distance and had their processes in place. It's amazing. They it was really really good winter is my I got lucky fudge shop down there. I'll say that I do. Yeah. Well it that is it's that's the one they make in the winter slabs here. Yeah. That's I think it's called Rory's or Rollies or something like that and got that. Yeah boy, cuz there's there's a few of those there's one in the New Forest as well. Oh my it's all filth and it's just been well good. It's been well good been been seeing went to blue water damage that I never been here before. So I've seen like a few Mando stuff like pop up there cuz there's a Disney Store there, you know, and let's let's be honest. I'm just I'm just absolutely be hyped and Buzz for the Mandalorian Season 2, Season 2 more like two days mate. Oh two days till Thursday. Simandle off and we got bad links in a chain in this place is quality. Every time I hear that it makes me giggle. This is the way it's two days to the man about two days until that Bubba until danger in his Bat grief Dune Gideon. They're coming back my two days two days until the filth May until the filth filthy manto Friday. It's we can start cooling it. I'm absolutely buzzing. I'm absolutely buzzing and there's there's a few reasons why I'm excited last year was crazy. We had episode 9, we got Mandalorian, but to be honest it it feels quite dead. Nice to actually just be focusing in on the Mandalorian season 2 and to kind of celebrate that with we're doing something special. I mean anywhere from yes and I am so very excited to be doing this may and also allow you the the pleasure of announcing to a wonderful listeners will we will have this libation with you guys. Yeah, I mean long story short guys. Yeah Mandalorian recap show every Friday. It's going to be filth guys. Yes, Yes. Now it's going to be on the store sessions feed and it's going to be called Mandalorian recap and we're just going to be recapping each episode week by week. It's going to fill it's going to be absolutely fun. You know these these next few weeks are going to be so Star Wars any man. I'm I'm so excited. So excited. Yep kind of wait to get on on a Friday beginning talks to Mandalore move luky boy get out there with you guys cuz as we've all said, we don't need to mention it again, but I'm going to we will get the mantoux at the same time now so we can talk to the man though. You can come and listen to them. Then you can jump in the Discord you can jump on the socials and you can you know what we think and we want to hear what you guys think every week. So look out for that every Friday will drop a message on the social for when you can log. Expect to see that in terms of time wise but basically Friday Mando sessions by hard check it out. Oh, yes. Absolutely. My absolutely needs to be absolute filth. Keep an eye out on the socials for further information on that. But other than that mate. Oh, I think I can I think I can hear something in the distance. I can by jove is Big Ben Kenobi. What does that mean? It's a collective Newsround. John boyega has said that he received full support from his sequel Trilogy co-stars after he criticized the trilogy for pushing his character to the side with Kanye West has announced he believes to prequel trilogy to be far superior to the sequel Trilogy whilst being interviewed off with Rogan Experience. Ewan McGregor wore his Obi-Wan Kenobi Jedi robes for the first time in fifteen years on the Mandalorian season to set as part of pre-production for the upcoming Kenobi series. Hey, this is Vanessa Marshall the voice of Hera syndulla off Star Wars Rebels, and you're listening to Star Wars sessions. Probably Britain's greatest Star Wars podcast. Now this week we're joined by a very special guest. He's got a wonderful voice. I tell you that right now, but he's a big Star Wars fan from the Emerald Isle as Island for those who am in the UK. He's aiming to raise two point seven million pounds in less than 2 years by running a marathon and breaking a world record in the process by raising the most money for Research into cancer. It's called Ian Ward aka the Mandalore Jian Jian Mei. Thank you so much for coming on the show. And can you just explain to our listeners? Obviously, why is your mom I'm going to raise this money. That's brilliant. And yeah, so I wanted to raise the money because I ended up getting brain cancer my self a couple of a prognosis of a couple of months ago. And while I was going in for the brain surgery itself, I had already had a little I was doing a video game. A video game channel on YouTube and then I thought I I'll do a bit of charity work here while I'm at it because it's very easy to do that in the video game world because you can just do things like faith. I do if I am able to complete this level in, you know, five minutes, you've got to give five pounds, you know, so it's very easy to sort of make a foreign way of someone to to give money. So I thought all right. Well if I'm already being benefited from the the million cancer support Society, I should find a way to give back to them. It's only fair and then when they said yeah, yeah. So we've we've done a second test after your surgery, which is gone. Well in your speech is come back really well then but unfortunately we can see now that even though we thought it was a benign tumor at the start we can see now that it is actually qualified as something that stage 3 months. So it's a bit more of a big deal and we have data on sixty year olds that normally their life expectancy gets quite long. That point it goes to about six years or so, but because you're so young we don't have many people who are in have the same disease as you have so you'll likely have longer but we don't know. So at that point I was like, okay, so I'm essentially like everybody else then in that I'm going to die. But I I don't know when it's probably not going to be soon but it might be it's like that's anyone who's going out to like, you know traffic in the in the morning. So like all right. Well, I kind of have this thing officially written on a paper. So if that's going to happen I may as well increase relatively how much charity I'm trying to earn so it's like if you got a terminal disease you may as well make a big dramatic found a charitable attempt. And so I started Googling around and then I I've run marathons before so the marathon was the first idea that I came to I mean everyone knows how Associated marathons are with their with giving to charity home. And so I went down to that I looked up about the world record was and I saw it was in and around three million depending on which currency you use and so from that I was in a start to do the the mathematics of how much I would need every day and it's like, okay this is this is a Chiva below. I think maybe I'm going to get my time to this page find out how it ends up on the on the end. And yeah, so that's how it all got a got started off. We would just sort of curiosity of could this be doing? Wow that is not so commendable mate is so commendable and I know is for me especially but for this podcast and I'm sure our little community at large. It's it's a topic, you know that nasty thoughts to words. You know, that that don't end in a virus, you know, it's it's it's a hard thing, but your attitude is incredible. I just want to say that first and foremost. I love it mate and it seems dead. There is a the way you just the good kind of infectious. Yeah, exactly. Right exactly. But listen, you know, I don't know anything has not been touched by cancer in in some way like my family in the space of a few years has absolutely been absolutely been destroyed by it. Like I've lost both my parents to cancer. I've lost load of my grandparents. And yeah, it's it's horrible. It's not a nice thing but little beacons of Hope light yourself. It's just it's so nice to see and it's so refreshing to see and you're you're the way your attitude is, it's just it's it's incredible. Now. We We messaged on like a third-party like little Forum almost and it's called Matchmaker FM and it's for podcasters and other people guests to like link up magically and we've been chit-chatting on that and one of the phone number Those things you you said just cuz that's something that I look after I was like I got this message from you and you're like, yes, I would love to come on blah blah blah blah. And yeah, that be great and you were like, yeah, I'm definitely a start because I've got a rebel in well, this guy means business if that doesn't suck Star Wars fan. Dunno what does but yeah, tell us about Justice Star Wars play into any of this journey because I know for me personally last year, my family was going through some stuff at is actually the lead up to the Mandalorian and the lead up to episode nine that actually kept me grounded a little bit. It kept me sane a little bit and it kept me just focused on something that was just escapism and it just it warmed my heart especially Mandalorian. It just really really amazing show, isn't it? It's incredible mate. It's incredible. But yeah gone, how how does that work? Play into your journey this journey, you know, you're running and your fight, you know, your inspiration ads that play into it. I think it's just when you like you said where it's sort of it brings you out of wage a certain sense. Like the whole premise of Star Wars is all about like, you know, the little guy going up against something that's really difficult and daunting and so you you sit down and you watch off this may sound a little bit depressing but one of my the thing that inspired me to get the Rebel Alliance tattoo was actually Rogue one which like I know loads of the new movies and not the greatest but I think Rome one stands out because it kind of has the dark ending to it which they sort of have to do in order to make sure that the characters are not Cannon like the you know, the the seventies and eighties films to sort of not mention like why aren't they here? Should they be maybe like go in Squadron read? Like they'll go ahead against that starts. And so like the fact that they all are no longer with us. It's off. They made the ultimate sacrifice and in a way, I think about that film and think well that's sort of like what you're doing and it didn't deter any of them going into The Fray so why should it deter me? So it's I think that's what the sort of the stem is and it's kind of hard it a residual effect now cuz they're the tattoo is on my forearm on my left forearm. So I see it like anytime I'm wearing a tee-shirt which is 90% of time. And so it's that sort of thing that there's there's a million little things that give me a perk up in order to actually get out and do the rooms and do the things that I don't necessarily want to do and that's a little one there. It's like a permanent reminder on my on my on my body could think of worse reminders to have than a Rebel Alliance tattoo MOBA. That's quality. And and what you say is true though made a. Now that's backbone of Star Wars has is Hope and like you say fighting against adversity and overcoming those odds, and it's an emotive subject, but it's really touching way that you're coming at it off. And I agree. Yeah, Simon suddenly like Star Wars The Escape isn't it provides and the booster gives to people just because it's it is what it is. It's fun. It's always meant to be fun and the messages it carries will walk in Jewel and so at just like Luke said firstly yes, absolutely unreal what you're doing. It's incredible. So obviously before I thought you meant Skywalker, he's actually here, right now. Oh, yeah, so it's really obviously commendable you doing mate, but and it's and the fellow Star Wars and play any kind of part in that is its quality mates. So in terms of the wrong choice and might you mentioned a Mandalorian is coming up we've got in terms of this recording when it goes out we got two days make we got two days. I'm guessing you looking forward to sitting down and checking out massively massively. The first season it was just it was such a relief because like every time the film's come out. I am hopeful for them. But at like they sort of happened tricking around a bit too much and like not quite getting a game. Sometimes and it just it's like on mine. Is it all going on a bad way who's at the helm as the captain at the helm a bad a bad captain and then the Mandalorian came out. I was like, oh thank God. Thank God. Not really. Oh. Real. That's still yeah brilliant the whole thing. And yeah, it's great seeing him Prince holding back as well. Just like you know, he's like, what's his name is Pascal Pedro Pascal like he's such a terrific actor everything he touches on is just like, you know, he's such a wonderful character in he's great in him. What's the Ambien wage when these accidents A Game of Thrones, but what's the one where they are chasing after all the drill dollars? Yeah. That's the one. Yeah terrific and all of them. He's even the main guy in from season three onwards I theme Yeah, terrific stuff everything he does. And and for you is right. Now the Mandalorian like that comfort food that warm thinking of making this film. That was this just fills Phil flight you've gone out for a few pints and you've come back and you're having a cheeky Kebab or something. That's the Mandalorian. What what's the Mandalorian to you mate? Is that the beacon of future wage Wars? I would think so at the moment. I think it's a way of showing the any other of the directors that were like start stepping up to the plate where it's like, you know, you don't have to do like all these sort of bizarre long story lines that are gone in this way and that way if you just go down to the basics of what Star Wars was and just keep it simple. You don't need to add in like the what's the episode one thing where it's like the Trade Federation are stopping trade in the blue. It's like don't they don't they want trade man and I mean to chlorians and it's like it's you know off. Not a fan of the middle or what about the what about the sequel Trilogy and not 789 Force awakens Last Jedi Rises Skywalker. You said like a lot of people say it's not wrong to say that that they've had they've had issues where they've been up on down or quality or some things work some happen. What were your thoughts in overall in those three new films? Cuz you said the man met the Mandalorian. This is the way forward. Where was the sequel Trinity should have really been the Catalyst but said a bumpy ride so, you know, which one of those three films you do prefer and you know, what you thought an overall but by a mile down the force awakens was the best one like when I first saw it, I went there with a lot of my mates and when Han Solo first comes on like The Parables altering or outages Like I knew it was going to be on I was going into this knowing that he was going to be there. But like when he's first revealed it's just so amazing. And then the experience when I first watched it was just off so brilliant and everybody was talking about after it's being like Oh my God believe the hype but then the second time you watch it after someone says, it's basically a New Hope repeated and it's like know once I know that I can't unknow that and then I watched it again being like Oh my God. This is a carbon copy. This is a nightmare show and it's like it's so good food and then put it's like it's like a can't get that idea out of my head and no matter how much I try. Listen. Listen. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on ways to sing in A New Hope where the kid kills his dad arranged one right? There you go. Mate. Listen, I've had plenty of these debates of my friends and they're like our new how now it turns old photos to Mentor been condemned. Was the mentor they both died. I suppose you could you could put that in there. Yeah, maybe my dad, you know, but any nights it's all good. I personally may I am I love the force awakens as well. I gave me all the fluffy feels and yet it gave me. I don't know I come out of that Cinema think a man. That was a Star Wars film and I suppose that was its job because you know to do after the prequel trilogy, which was divisive anyway, and people seem to have forgotten that like people. Oh, yeah bring back George Lucas and blah blah blah. It's on may hang on George was George has a pre out there guys and out and the Box thinker right? I don't know if you guys would have actually liked what George was coming up with him and his ideas. But anyway, anyway those films they're not to everyone's taste and that's that's fair enough. It's just funny that it seems to be that the Mandalorian is too long. Took people's tastes and I think it comes down to what you were saying Ian is it comes it? Does things just simply doesn't it's just a really simple stuff and it's kind of like outside of this family drama. That is the Skywalker Saga. It's outside of that. And so maybe it just feels a bit more like, yeah, there's there's nothing really to be able to gain. It's just something completely different. Are you looking forward to season to mate? A hugely? Hugely? It reminds me a little bit of the way that sort of the Clone Wars and just the actual show Rebel like that's a bit more sort of Niche but it's just like it's just an existence in the Star Wars universe and they have little references to people like the whole way through like it's the the resurrection of that comes into it and then that also gets shown at the to be the the sort of the not really the the antagonist but sort of the month. The daddy antagonist almost at the end of the the solo film which was which was good. It was like it was a nice bit of popcorn. It wasn't as good as the as Rogue one. I didn't find but like it was a good it was a good film. It's a dirty comparison actually having troubles and Clone Wars still exists in within that within the realm of The Saga but almost being kind of out there on their own as well being able to tell her own story and again the rebels as to a lot of people ways put our people think that shows us me included because because of that yeah all ties into the bigger picture but it's it's own little niche story its own little pocket in that Galaxy there far far away. Yeah, and I thought if I had first seen Rebels when I was a teenager or like, you know, I read Thirty and I would love that so much more I started first watch it, but I was like 27 was like it's like watch watch it on a laptop away. Let me do this and paid with a laptop angled away from everyone. What what's your phone? What's your on your phone while you're on the Underground, but you're in a corner pub? My screen is quite a few watch rugby rugby highlights to take rugby highlights after I just don't look at my screen is my home mice cuz you you also mentioned that when you going back to the cause as well when you're getting your mind-set ready to get cuz a matter I've ran a marathon as well. It's not easy and you do have to get in that mindset but you've said that A New Hope plays a part in your kind of mental training. Doesn't it a little bit. Yeah. It's like that sort of thing where page when you're when you're actually running something that I found like a little cheat. It's very cheesy, but it works. So like give it a try sometimes start visualizing that you are like the hero in a film that you're kind of writing slightly a syrup. It's like a fantasy Daydream. So a simple one that is that I've used many many a times where I am on the Irish Rugby team and job World Cup final had it all depends on me keeping up the pace on ruining his straight-line in order to test score the winning try and it sounds so childish. Like I saw it in a film you'd be like, oh for God's sake like, you know imagining like this but it works and I did exact same thing with the the flight scene with the with the x-wings and it's like, you know the whole thing where it is Luke and he's going down the the channel and all the other Tie fighters are behind him taking a blast and he's like a new keep turned off your your tracking system and he's like going straight down into a love that that's amazing. What about what about the Luke and Yoda scene in Empire Strikes Back the training that because like Loops get becoming like a little bit of a Beefcake in that and he's like but getting on a bit of a sweat and let's might have been on your Instagram. I've been I've been a little bit of a ghost looking through that and off. I can set your bit of a Beefcake yourself, you know, you like the training you go to the old gym didn't yeah, so I'd relate to that though the local well, the only thing is while at that scene is class. It doesn't have music. It doesn't have the music to hide the up and actually listen to you know, an episode wound the best thing to come from The Phantom Menace by a mile is the the judicial dates and it's idea is the best piece of music in any of the Star Wars films so good. Oh get you going and you've tried so many people say that when they go to the gym, they listen to that and not sure they've all got a little green the odor on their shoulder when they're at the gym, but wait another way that people can new Star Wars get out there in your in your room change guys put you over to the fights on and just don't worry about magic. Imagine your Qui-Gon trying to take down ov1 ignored a bitter you get stabbed in the gut rewind upper know. Yeah recent visualizing the trenches. Is a quality always so I've done that coming down tomorrow in London instead. I was kind of limping. I was more like poor kids. Do I need got shot down limited honesty by that is it's a ridiculous ridiculous stay on top. If you could keep saying that the whole time State. Nobody will think you're mad it's fine. That'd be a good one. If you knew that your friend was running the marathon. He was like dressed up as a Star Wars character. You have a sign that you just keep holding out and Frozen the test stay on Deck. I love that. There's quality. That is quality listening. And what what character do you relate to the most in Star Wars? Oh that is a that's a tricky one because it off for me it kind of changes and I'm sure you know with the tribulations you've been going through in your life, you know, maybe that would be different to say five years ago to what it is now you are dead. Coming a little bit of a Jedi master or are you more of a watteau from Phantom Menace a little bit? I thought I would see myself like I don't want to have propped myself up. Like I'm equal to the character just based off of like how much of a scoundrel is I reckon I would see myself as more of a hand so long like if someone was annoying me and being like hey, well, you got a quote me. I feel like I would shoot him first. I like it like sway around there and then like the same sort of thing. Like, you know taking I'm going to be really confident with this girl and it's going to go really well and then have that have seen the girl kissed someone else in front of me like well that backfired and then shoot them. Anyway. Anyway, that that's what it's all about. That's what it's all about. Okay, mate. So we're talking all about the Star Wars and stuff but really the big question. Elephant in the room. The rancor in the room is what Star Wars film is your favorite. I think I would stick with a New Hope club like at that was that was one that I used to watch as a kid and my friend Rex would come over and that was like, I think that we would do we would plug the thing in VHS and it was like it wasn't until I got a little older that my parents like correct connected the the extra TV or not the DVD extra tapes. So it was I only owned a new hope so I just watch it over and over again, And then after we watched the film even though we hadn't watched Empire, we would go down on our bicycles and we would try and Cirque margin that we were circling around with the walkers on our bikes being like that. We've got the Rope around their legs. Now how hard could we turn on that every so often the bugger goes and like, you know skit out from Punjab? And we get up and try to do it again to see if we could get like a forty-five-degree angle of band around. So it was like re-enacting the film filled out. You could take on the Empire by yourself another million-dollar question might you've got off of credits Imperial credits you walk it in but you can either spend them in Magic Castle the pub in the force awakens or the Cantina in a new hope we're open one cuts the alien arm off which one you're going to go and spend your money in. I I think I would go with the first one just because I could go over and see like, okay well, hang on. Are you a human or like, you know, cuz the hand that you lost look may be Beastly. So like, you know argue, it's like one of your legs like, are you like that at that ManBearPig thing from a from self back where like the leg is a man but then the arm is a pig and then the other arm is the is the bear and that's what I'd want to do. Well to me mate. Oh, that's amazing. That is amazing. I have a question for you, Leela. Oh, oh, oh, right. Oh boy. We've never at 6 every night. JC. Okay. Yeah go on my darling. I was watching an episode of edge, you know pointless the quiz show. Yes, so they were doing this thing and they had this very Niche question and it was what is the first word individual word that's ever said in an Empire Strikes Back Off first line of diet the first word of dialogue in Empire first word of dialogue and Empire. Oh, wow. This does noises count down. No word in English language and you got a good a chance of this song. Who let's hang on Madden? Oh, come on. We're so we're clever enough for this. Come on. I got it wrong my staff. We're smarter than this. Yeah, that's it. That's it. I was looking for that quote. I'm back down it passed down to cough cough and they're on half the rebels run off. Is it do they see the probe Droid first? I think in first thing on Thursday and on any you're on, you know phones on Google I can hear you know, you are asked me the other day in one of our games on the show em about hanh asking about Luke outside that someone's asking about Luke outside of saying something about Luke outside. I'm pretty sure that's the first line. All right. I'm going to you know what I'm talking about. I know I know I know what you mean. I don't know. I can't think so. I'm going to my answer is going to be where? I'm going to say. Yeah, you're both wrong. I was wrong as well. I went with we I thought it was from the from the Empire going. We found the rebel base. Oh, yeah, it will you'll you'll get it now. All right. I'm going to give you a clue. Okay, so I can't remember what's it called the the NATO alphabet? Yep. And so when Erika the phonetic alphabet it's in that. alpha alpha beta Alpha Wrong beta now you can't just go through the alphabet. Yeah, I bet you will you will kick yourself. If I tell you this without lease, isn't it off is the base? What's the best thing that's the base base? But not a jumping around got the keys just woken up. What's up? There's nothing no sweat there guys. We had that, you know, everything's fine here. We're all good. Wow, that's amazing. Right? Okay. So am I am back to more serious stuff Ian you're raising this money brilliantly make and your tell us about who where the money's go in what they do because we've got a lot of international students. They might not even know what this charity does and then tell us how anyone can help contribute to this amazing cause oh well because I was And my whole plan of this was to do it through through social media. I kind of felt for myself. Okay? Well if I'm doing it through social media, you never know where this is going to pick up. It's probably going to be an English-speaking country singers how that's my only language that I speak. I don't even speak any Irish as like, all right. Well, I may as well cross all my all the places where it will go to so I went to the way I can Cancer Society. I went to the cure for cancer Australia. I went for the British cancer cancer research UK and then I went for the Irish Cancer Society and I was like, oh right. It's all for cancer research. So you as the whoever's listening the way you want to donate you choose if you feel like you're an American and then that's a charity you want to go to full and fair enough or like if you're Irish, but you think that like, you know had the Brits do a better job do that like, you know, whatever way the person wants to donate then they can do that and it's all about Through just giving justgiving.com Which is the a very simple organization service where you just sort of tell the the story of what you're doing, but usually what you're doing is and then someone donates to the charity through through your thing. No money goes anywhere else except one hundred percent into the charity that is being done it too and the whole purpose of the sort of threw something is because it it shows what is the the money goal that you're trying to achieve and how far along you are with that so it will have three million depending on which currency and then it will say like, okay, you've raised a hundred thousand which is I don't know 1% and on and so ago so and then also when someone donates themselves their their name goes up and they can use you write a little letter saying like, you know, here's here's half a million. I hope wage Don't succeed, you know, whatever whatever you want to do. Whatever you want. And I like it. I like it or like you know, or just a I also think that like if I was a billionaire, I wonder what I find someone like as soon as they start doing this or a charity thing just give them all the money that I'm looking for already be like they're you're doing no more effort. I don't want you to post any more videos or anything cuz the person like happened to me it would like it would be like, all right. Well, that's a great success in one way. But it also like I don't have anything to do now, please don't Chuck money enough just don't joke at all go off. He's just given it's very simple. You say you just go on you choose your currency. You pay your money right a message. What's the link to that one? Then might well the easiest way to go through because they add I started my own website just to sort of siphon people in the right direction and if you just go on to cure cancer or die trying. And then you click over to the about the power source is the only thing that that's relevant. The rest of it is just a it was a template when I started making it and I made the warm time. I was like, I'll finish it off later and it's been a month and I haven't finished it. So if you go on there and go straight to the event or that's where you can get the links to Facebook. So you just what's going on the Facebook at YouTube those big things and social media that I've used in the most and forth sort of dad had trainings getting on at playing computer games and all that sort of jazz and then you can also see all links to the individual Pages for whatever currency you want to use to go on to the just just giving page. So that is the the one and only link you need for all things in and cancer. Wow cure cancer or die trying., link that in the episode description guys as well. But go check it out guys. Please do go and if you anything you can give please do consider it. Yeah and even like that song. I'm trying to push the people the most is that regardless of whether you can give financially or not. I'm sure with the cover disaster as low as people that are edible. But the way social media works is I'm sure you guys own now is like the more followers someone has the more followers they will get because it acts like a sort of a gravitational pull them. It's the same at like a planet the larger it gets the more massive gets. So even if you can't give yourself if you are just interested in following the journey and you click on like And subscribe and the rest of it all that jazz. It might then attract somebody who is like, you know financially able to help out with that same thing. And so you have actually contributed to doing that by just watching by just being a part of the audience. Wow, brilliant my brilliant. We love you message. We love your personality. And obviously the force is strong with you Ian Ian. Keep us updated might keep us in the loop and let's get you back on another time, you might oh, yeah. Absolutely. I'd log To do one of the one of the maritime going to doing loads Americans leading up to it and I will 100% be dressing up with the Star Wars characters and 100s. Yes. My that is fantastic. Thank you so much for lighting up our week mate. You're you're an absolute pleasure. Keep doing your thing, mate and thank you for all your heart smoke. I honestly yeah delighted to be delighted to be on my full speed with you mate and also to you Hello, this is Ahmed guests. I am Jar Jar Binks in the prequels of Star Wars and you're listening to Star Wars sessions, which is before. I hopefully UK's best Star Wars program what an inspiration and what a man Ian Ward is Ian. Thank you so much for coming on the show giving us your time sharing your story guys. The links will be in the link being the link in the episode description if you want to support and further or if you just want to keep abreast of these up to but I'm sure you'll agree lucky boy that that was a wonderful chat. I'm so glad we had that chitchat it was deep it was personal and it was full of bands as well full of that Irish charm absolutely loved it my That's it. And we know that sometimes the Irish like to have a little Tipple. So let's go and do that right now and it just so happens to be our favorite drinking whole lives just over there stab and Tina. Shall we? Yeah, I would do it might look at those muscles. So as we do if you are new to the show each week in the band Tina, we sit down with a couple of cast. He's with the greatest listeners in the Galaxy spoiler with you guys. And we take your thoughts and opinions on our main discussion. But in this case, we thought we'd ask you for your favorite Star Wars one-liners and quotes to shake it up a bit. So here's what you guys came up with. Yes. We got some spicy spicy opinions and actually this kind of caught fire on your was like there were we got literally hundreds and hundreds of millions of comments literally literally know first up Legend nor how she chose no one's ever really gone dead. Not sit guys, we're ending it there. See that guy's yeah. See like know going on Robert Lawson said chewy long ways has the most the most. Oh, he's crazy about like mot off. It needs it needs an mot on this car, but it says most used for every situation Welsh work. He chose that's not out of the force Works shown Wars chose. The ability to speak does not make you intelligent Paul Buckle chose. Would anyone care for some tea by GE oven? Oh, man. Quote and OT next one for didn't we just leave this party Hon. Oh, yeah, boo my boy from Down Under Dal still don't shows dead. Delete make the sacrifice and I am the Senate Tonio lift herself insulting shows. I am one with the force and a Force is with me. Matthew bill went off do or do not there is no try Alex Jessup and sister at 2 for six shows. I have a bad feeling about this and Mark Walker went with were all fine here. How are you home, please leave the gray there is so there are so many flipping good lines in this up next Essex. 97 shows Execute Order 66 best been bulletin. Our boy went with Hello there in ski picked that won't be necessary. We need a statement not our Manifesto are both bulbs absolute felt fly on the wall podcast from Down Under shows boring conversation. Anyway, Zooey Duncan was torn between but I was trying to Toshi station to pick up some power converters and aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper great choice and Lewis sot chose this party song over. Nice one day mid spice window mace window mace do or do not there is no try and finally we had Matthew Paisley pay for them a dollar jobs. There's always a bigger fish. Shrimp has picked. Do you wanna Wanga Emily Bonner loves another? Happy Landing Matilda Backlund shows the greatest teacher failure. He's filmed twelvetoes. Why do I get the feeling you're going to be a death of me twin Sons collecting? He went to a a good one. He said not if I shoot you which was from a solo a Star Wars story up by moloch. Who twins son said was an absolute baller and my brother sure nothing went with we are what they grow Beyond and I hate sand was a smorgasbord of Wonder and that was just some of them we've had to admit quite a few so guys and girls if you did send them in and we haven't listed them there do keep sending them in we had so many to get from a dead. I hope you'll agree that that particular Bunch was spicy at spicier than our train met the spice train is in full effect, and I'm loving a Mandalorian season extra content go to patreon.com, you know, it's going to be something special podcast. Best podcast out next as our filthy part of the band Tina it is of course the patreon questions who doesn't love a patreon question after all our patrons do such spicy little questions to kick ass off. Sammy Cudmore says picture this picture. That's my boy. It's January 2020. Mando season one was a Smash Hit John and Dave come to you and had a favor to ask a cheeky Favor John says, hey Matt and Luke. We've already started filming season 2, but we need your help with something Dave quickly chimes in we haven't chosen the name for the child yet. Will you heip help us name the baby? What would you name the child? I mean, I love how Sammy's just painted. This picture is absolutely incredible. Matty-boy. What on Earth are you saying about this amazing question of Mine He's painted the picture now, I have a dog She believed that Dave and John have just come up to me, especially after the the narration you've just given there. I felt like I was in there. I thought I was there. What would I name the child? Radica off if anyone seen The Simpsons you'll get that reference but rodica or if you want to if you know me, you know how much I like a party that much I'm a big fan of Luke boy. I would name a child boy simple as that truck running around the yard to apply a nice nice boy spelt b l i g h ya, man cuz you've got Chrome Commander name is b a y. So that's he's already taken dibs on that. So we go full Bligh. That is absolutely adorable. I can't even I'm a boy I feel privileged. So thank you so much and may you absolute lad. I'm going to go for something really a little bit out there. You might know him you might already dead. I've heard of him, but he's in the past. He's sadly history. And it's almost like passing on the Baton. Babies going to be called stick the stick some say he's Eighty-Four cents to go baby. Obviously, he's he's distinct. That's it. That's it. I think those sticky sticky sing-li. Yeah Stig from Top Gear and that's it. I'm top dog might even know he was on that straight away. Everybody come dump dump it for those who sorta on Saturday after school when the kids TV. Now when now well my stick it a dump Well Creepy creeps that hello we get a dump was proper old was the kids TV back. There was was weird. It wasn't like it would be fair. I've had to watch my fair share and whilst a lot of it is, but let's be honest nauseating. There is some bits which are caught but there are some bits of still quite creepy now is I'm gonna stuff that key to watch but we're not a little baby comes on screen in two days all I'm going to be thinking of it. They stick apply and I'm going to be really weird when they call in the child now they stick isn't it? So you put that into my head now may have just Googled sigurd a dump and it's so creepy guys off Google speak stick s t i g of the dump this check it out. And that's what we have to put up with over here. But also we want to hear what you guys think Sammy everybody out there. What would you name a child? You've been given that very specific job. We want to hear your ideas for the child's name or as we know more colloquially bo bo de what do you guys think is called we've gone for Blake and stick. Can you beat them? This is the way so Sammy mate. Thank you so much for sending that one in and our next one is from the king of Austria burnt schoninger. And he said would you consider doing a public viewing of Mandos season 2 we could use a voice channel should be renamed to the Bounty know by the way on the Discord. Maybe do every other week to cover to age. Sewed have everyone sinking up there Disney Plus on the TV or laptop and chat on Discord. We're doing is currently with our local tabletop and board gaming group and it's great fun considering the options of meeting up personally in a x let's hear your thoughts. Let's be Avenue. Well, I think the kind of art that up top, but brought over in kind of a public viewing of mono season 2 world because we're doing the Mando recap show. It's like will be with you wherever but like I said earlier like because this is such a rich like Star Wars time. All I will say life is obviously we can't announce right now any dates, but I really like your idea but and I would definitely love to do something with our community wage our Discord server our patrons. So yeah watch this space mate, but I think it's a fantastic little idea. But even even so the last few weeks, I mean, yep. Why's is spice anyway, but the last three weeks like the the Discord server that burned his on with us on our sessions Discord server has been going off. So, if you guys want to get involved in that fun, if you know, you're in luck down in your places having a few more restrictions again, you know anything and am I'm not going to be able to see my mates as much as I used to, you know, come off a little cheeky chitchat with your virtual Star Wars geeky mates. It's a good load of fun. So all you got to do is message us on socials. Say hey Luke. Hey Matt was the Discord link and we will will admit you to the filth MattyB what you think about this question might pretty much what you said my if we weren't doing the Mando recap every Friday then Thursday would be more of a Goa. So that's kind of where we're standing on that. But like you said, there are there are no options. We'd love to get more involved with or get the Discord guys suck. Involved in something along with the patreon team as well. So we don't have I've got a few ideas for how we can link them into the Mando but that'll be happening off there and for fear of disappointment. I shall mention it with Rilo another day per it's a good idea and anything that can help build this ridiculously cool community that this part is managed to gonna anything that can make that bigger better more collaborative or just get everyone involved by more for so first thank you burn for the idea. Secondly keep sending your ideas or collaborative or dating because well, we are all ears for things like that. Even though we obviously we are you know, we're we're we're pilot in the Falcon now, sometimes we're sometimes even the pilots need a few notches down. And so so mad though recap where it's at the minute. Yeah, we'd love to get people involved as well. So like Luke said if you want to get jump on the Discord just send the socials or one of us a dog. I request a look at that link over to you as soon as we get your message guys. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. What a spicy Valentina eat has been and a good bit of that could be a crack good laugh before Mandalorian Susan to yep. I cannot wait. So patreon.com forward slash Star Wars sessions. If you want to see what we've got on offer there. We have three shows a month exclusively on there for you plus pictures. Sometimes you have videos. Sometimes you have polls. We've got the commentaries going up. We have a lot of good stuff going up on there throughout the throughout the year. So I work your eyes glued for that. But the drinks are empty. Sorry about the mess bartender for the bad Tina. We will be back next week when we're living in Mando times. gentle shove sessions game Star Wars actions game our sessions game. Are you ready? Made a boy? Yeah boy. It's ready for your games make oh my that's wrong another week. Another Star Wars sessions games. You know it you love it this time. It is my turn to host Matt. We've got something a bit more special lined up for tonight, you know, cuz it's Mando season 2 week. It's a spicy one my we've we've done this kind of thing before but I'm bringing it back. I'm bringing it back. It's not return of the mat. Yeah. Thought you'd like that like that won't matter. I need you to use your imagination May. Okay, right. Now we are now in the Star Wars sessions game 4 episode 87 is life. 7787 exogenous mental you are in the game. In fact, matty-boy. We're role-playing game right now and you or a matter laurium in the Star Wars, you know the same no laughing at me you are you are am a DeLorean you are in the Star Wars mean. Yes, you are in the Star Wars us and you are in a Cantina. You've just been to a ban Tina forget. It may have been nuked been blown up. You're in a different container. I mean urien. I mean you're in a Cantina in that boo picked rest my boo, but you're not in a nice Cantina. It's a film container and you walk into it off. Don't get many DeLoreans around here. Someone in the corner says to you you look at them and you say You want a drink? I. The person who said that backs off my back off you go up to the bartender because you've heard this a few jobs would you say? So I'm going to go up to the bar going to put my arm down. So I'm new around here. And would that word has it you're employing and I'm the man from the man with the talents. What's are you home or so I'm going to roll for this. I've got some virtual dice, by the way. Did you know that Google has a dice system now didn't even have to get my diet's I like they have a if you just type in Virtual Dice off on Google it now, you can select some really handy for people play board games or tabletop. I'm at the bar and propped up against. Okay? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah some rolling for it and you rolled you wrote a pretty high school there. So you go through and he goes you guys here Yeah, there's there's a guy out back. His name is Letha Harris, and he's offering our jobs, but you better be quick because I think he's I think he's got to get out of town. Okay, so he's got a lease. That's a loaner. He's got he's got a leafless you alone. No, actually don't do that. You've got Golf and chat to him, but it's up to you. I'm going to go chat two liter. So you're going to you're going to you're going to talk to this other Myriad of people around the fact that Lisa has to have to jump down very quickly makes me skip the song. I'm not entirely sure his line of work is going to be beneficial to me. Why is your call my beautiful? I'm repeatable make there's music going on in the background. Where you doing? What means I'm trying to work out what I'm trying to work out what the music is in the background I'm saying is a bound bound bound by the way. I've put me in a good mode. I'm looking around. I'm trying to find the what the person who I think looks the most trustworthy. Okay. All right then so I'm going to roll you for that month. And I should do an air as you actually look around you catch the eyes of this this this big broom and he is he's looking at you and he's like what you looking at, you know, it just hits space to set it and what you do. Well, I'm not going to be 1 to turn away from a fight. I'm going to approach a guy and asked is there anything I can do to help him? He stands up. He is an absolute unit. He is a Beefcake and he looks at you and he goes a Jew de Mando home bateaux. And you said Going to ask him to politely say again politely. Say again. Let me roll for that. Oh, okay. He just says a Judicial Mando home. I'm going to be honest and say I don't understand your language, but if we could if you'd like to sit down and share a libation, I'd be more than happy to talk about work with you off of Road. He reaches for his pistol. And he draws it out. And he's going to aim at your Matt. He's going to aim it. Yeah. Yep. I know I'm going to do. Yeah, we can do I'm shooting first off. I'm going to roll for her and you game but you don't you shoot him, but you get his arm and he falls to the ground and he's crying like a little baby wage would you do would you do mate? The the music stopped people are like what what's going on what's going on? You know, this isn't a baby. This isn't a Tatooine Cantina. What you doing mate. MC round anyone else. Oh, I'm going to lay the golden it down man. I'm I'm there for work, but I'm not going to be intimidated by thugs like you it worked very effectively bought a gunshot to the office quite effective. So really you've gone to this campaign. You've got you've got to get work for about Thursday. But what you've done is you've put fear into the there's this guy let's it's Matt alureon that's come in and he's the boss. So what you doing with that power might I'm I'm taking on its head and asking if anybody wants to come and work for me. I'm writing and I'm taking a share of the money and it's it's actually pretty effective a a girl who's a master at terrorist Cassie. She's a human she comes forward and she goes I will work with you. I've never worked with a matter Lorien before and she throws your wing. Hello, what have we here? Yeah, okay. It doesn't work. She goes. Oh, she does actually you're a bit of a creep and off. She she walks away but suddenly as she walks away you turn around and there's a cloaked figure. Where there was a table and people have moved from it people are silent. There are people gasping. That turning around. What you doing, Matt? Hello. What have we I say, can I help you? Simple? I'm wonder I'm a man of power. But I'm also a simple man. Can I help you with? I'm a simple powerful, you know, I'll shoot you in Yarmouth you crossed me, but I would also give you the chance to explain it over here. You are you say in those words. I am I have a reasonable man. I will shoot your yeah. We got towns around. And before you know it you see you see it a small glimmer a small glimmer. It's a pint glass and it's coming right to your head. It's JJ Abrams and he's about to part Pine over your head. What you doing? This one for the rise of Skywalker? You shoot I mean, for example, I mean for JJ's arm. You hit JJ's on. And it bounces off his best car armor and before unite bang Point O View Road map. I'm so sorry. You have a page over your head and it turns out matah loriens are allergic to laga. And that's it. And you go out you jump out the container you like flipping get away from me and you jump into one of those lovely rivers in Abu I was Twilight on the plus side. The campaign can continue another day. But on the plus side, there is a container on Naboo that you know fears you good. So let's JJ current. Yeah, JJ Abrams always gets a point over someone's head. It's thing it's a fact so multiple people at times. Yes, but didn't quite go the way I thought you were going to go for the bounty to be honest mate, but that's not a problem. That is not a problem. I have no idea either. That's the beauty of role-playing mate. You know, if you don't want to do the job fine, that's cool. If you want to go shoot some random bloke in the side of the arm. You can do that. That's my Hudson everybody. He's a certified G Luli. Well, I thought I could go for the Bounty or I could or I could be the man who gives the bounties and I thought let's try a lucky. Let's see how far I get with actually trying to you know be the main man for once here. Come on. I love it. I love U did well in that might you did. Well, I left a little virtual Google dice thing and then Master highlight of my week mate. Now. I'm going to check out later on which is how sad I am dead. Oh My my what a show absolutely love that Ian was an absolute Legend. We got great comments. Great news May. It's just that Mandalorian season. I'm just I don't know. I'm absolutely buzzing for a I'm really looking forward to this Vibe. Is there my I agree my Ian you're a king. Thank you so much. Once again guys the links to support you in any way will be in the episode descriptions of keep those keep your eyes out for that wonderful game as ever blah. I rented a king of role playing games. Yeah, like you say, it's Mando Time by The Time episode 88 comes out. We're living in a man though World episode 1 of the Mandalorian will be out episode one of the SWS of the man. Recap will be out there made everything everything changes, but without a year of getting hyped to get excited for the man though. Who's going to show up. I know we're not going to get all the answers in episode one, but look the journey began all that's not cool about it says chapter 9 and it's going to be called some some people might say I'm a Mandalorian boy in a Mandalorian world. This demand I bought in Amanda world. I am just a Mandalorian vitamins Lorien. Well, what what else am I meant to say? I don't know what else but apparently chapter 9 is going to be pretty long as in terms of em out Generations arm pump for that because honestly get hyped with us, we can't wait to share the man there with you for the same time at the same time story in a above-board world check out the man. They're recapping through Friday. Look out on the social for that. But that is that for this episode of Star Wars sessions. Number 87. We're at the spice train is 2 to 9 all the way to 100 but the fun doesn't it in there? No one's ever really gone. Where can the world find us Master broker? They can find us at Star Wars sessions. Life on socials. We got a Twitter at Star Wars session with no Asobi end. We got an Instagram at Star Wars sessions and we got a Swanky new month. Email address yet. White white white furry guys wait for it. It is. Hello there. Hello there at Star Wars sessions. Yep. UK. That's right. 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Build-a-Clowney Trade

"With the n._f._l. Podcast is deidre need about baker mayfield spa staff. Welcome to another edition of the around the n._f._l. Podcasts presented sirius x._m. My name is dan has this. I'm in a room that just overflowing with heroes and i couldn't be more excited about it. Mark sizzler destler chris wesseling collie wove and greg rosenthal what is up boys and girls hate him. Hey hi all my god. What's up super back very rich here okay. That's all i ever hear about on twitter. History must be very rich there so you just calling you just got back from a whirlwind tour across the n._f._l. Landscape yeah and i saw i was following your twitter and your social media <hes> just great work as always. Thanks <hes> moving the needle of your brand but you said you pointed out that a lot of a._t. And listeners will give you a little shoutouts that are in the code of our show. Yes it's one of my favorite things ever whenever i'm out in the field whether it's for thursday night or it happened a bunch of the hall of fame at training camps all here gotti fox or who's john gonzales like any any number like our version of like babu abu code. What would you say. The demographic of the shoutouts are what are they what type of person that coming from demographic range wise. It's usually <hes> <hes> it's usually white males just wondering but i love them i ever secret hands ever get strange looks from people you're with when they like a tiny box. I get tiny box plot to get an h._r. Representative do you need help makes me laugh the most though it wouldn't be the weirdest thing that's happened to you on inside training camp and let and let it be known that even though it is it seems to be an eighteen to thirty four white male demographic one of the things we're proud of. We're all over the spectrum. <hes> you know women men black white latino. We're all all over the place. We are a rainbow podcast greg and you're proud of it. I know you are what how do you mean we. I mean we the show. I think our show collectively all of us all across the world. We have listeners this country internet. Unless you have individual you have issues with an as a no. I thought you meant like the real weird eared real quick. I thought you meant the host of the show and then i know i didn't know anyone has been to twenty three and me lately. I love all the listeners. All oh now are fully covered. Thank you calling welcome back county. It's been it's been a minute and you picked a great show to come back because a full house and you know big news and we're going to get to it and a little bit around davey and cloudy and <hes> john maclean over the houston chronicle reporting that he wouldn't be surprised if it a trade goes down <hes> involving cloudy imminently perhaps well. Let's throw out some juicy trade scenarios ahead of the regular season and let it be known that this isn't july anymore. This isn't this isn't our june fourteenth show. There's none of this fancy boy stuff where we're whimsical and just thrown out. Oh yeah brett farve arbor turns to football and then bart starr's is best friend but they both go to the giants all this stuff no no. This is going to be real trade. That's fired real. I think so no don't read into it too much reading into things right now. It's going to be real trades that could affect teams in a positive way in two thousand nineteen. This exercise ruined my entire morning. I sat and we're improve istat stressed out about it and talked myself in out of every trade so i think i'm going to coming just as hard to be right as a basis of comparison got something as simple as this like as as a way compare like what was your morning yesterday like like walk us through nine to eleven thirty yesterday yes sister day you can share with us. I i worked out yesterday. I made a coffee. I i just chilled okay. It's a very nice morning calling used to be ken griffey junior on your way out of the fact that she had never worked out a day in her life and now all of a sudden she's working the grind israel happening and it has to though i need to get back to sue traveling on the road because otherwise at home i just eat. I just eat all day. Long and gain lots of guys can't say it calling but your arms are looking great. It's it's working. Thanks it's working guys. Don't don't comment on her. Don't even look at her. Turn pauline your arms. We're looking good. You know we should do just he's trying to match guns. Oh we should put on the wideness like <hes> the horse blinders totally covered show go on forever. Laura all right good very weird show. Let's <hes> so juicy trade scenarios coming up <hes> realistic ones that would if it happened if it came across awesome t._a. Wow that makes cents build a trade. That's what you've named it right. Sure like build a bear except for clowning write that down build a trade and i will take credit afford thank you us and then we'll hit a little hard knocks recap but before that oh there's news so let's get to that erica tamposi. Here's what we're we're hearing presented by sirius x._m. Hey guys it's colleen know. What is this show yeah. No i did this. I was in his backyard. What is that cameo during cami. I have to get off cameo because i keep deep like forgetting about it and then everything keeps expiring so i'm not really a great fit for what has cameo for people that aren't aware of it. I would be one of those people i have. No oh idea a company where people pay to get a personal message from you right so i feel a little dirty about it. It's a little creepy how much much also charging it's like fifteen bucks. I responded from like i'll do it. If if i can charge a thousand dollars yeah i what do it for fifteen thirty. I might do a couple of those and just see what happens. What's funny is a lot of people just like mess with their friends about it so they're giving give this message and just like i talk about whoever and then it's bath direct deposited like when you if it's fifteen straight into the checking. I don't even know how to cash out and starts gets a cut too so i don't really like they charge for it. That's weird. It's like the trash talking <music>. You're a real <hes> capitalist connie sure am all right. Let's get to it more uncertainty around the indianapolis colts in their superstar quarterback tuesday evening coach darrell manager chris ballard told reporters on a conference favorite type of frog but he did say that the medical staff and training staff believed that locks calf strain has become something more. Let's hear a little bit of ballard. During the conference call with reporters last night dealing with a cab injury and all at march through camp it was dealing with the cast of getting a little area the lowest calf which andrew kind of referred to as a lower leg where he was feeling some pain palestinian korea. The injury wasn't getting better better the admin practicing so in the course of dealing with this cap injury it appears that now we got all right and on the same day and this happens with the colts that many franchises this type of stuff happens but jimmer say the colts owner he went on a separate <hes> he he went on a radio siriusxm and he shared his thoughts and details on andrew lock situation really feel very confident that he's gonna find his way through this thing i think you know after durant thing and everything everyone's err on the side of caution but quite frankly this is not even in the achilles elise tend to so say went on to say that <hes> he couldn't be more excited about the season luck and use it as a tweak doc but at the same time greg here. We are now three weeks out from the regular season. You're not gonna see him. During the preseason and now becomes a very real chance that it is indeed jake brisket starting starting week one for the colts not good sites me off a piece about jake brisk hopefully them mm-hmm admitting their mistake and properly treating the injuries solves. It and it's just an ankle sprain that he's back whether it's week one week three three whatever it's a pretty big deal i think for the general manager to say we complete which is how i read into what they said. We completely mismanaged his situation listen. We misdiagnosed it. We didn't even check you know that could be an ankle problem too and and here we are three and a half months later from something that they set at the the time was going to be a one week injury and maybe that all solves it i mean i don't know who knows i think they'd be fine with jacoby percent though for a couple of weeks. If that's all it is that they feel like they need to be safe with andrew luck like get him back one hundred percent before you put him on the field. I just feel like any time now. I hear anything with andrew luck. I i don't know who to believe. I don't know what to believe after everything that happened with his shoulder and our has a really good track record of being pretty forthright and the reason. I totally believe i'm here is because you didn't have to read between the lines to see that they were saying like we botched this year and you don't hear teams really admit that too often that basically it's all it did it though he did. I mean that saying that they literally never even checked for this other injury that he's apparently had now for multiple months. I mean that's saying they misdiagnosed it. He admitted that appreciate all the listeners who sent me <hes> p scale tweets ralph wiggham gifts. Just peace slowly spreading across so is it fair to say with that we could sound this irony. The andrew lock alarm siren is off off and you're concerned about the superstar quarter. I'm taking a big old l. on this one and to quote a iconic movie care thirty nine hundred ninety s. I think we understand that. There's some sort of an alert in the area. Erica knew she'd come to light and now it's yes. Yes that is absolutely true. Also think it's striking from the beginning of my stance on this was informed by the notion that injuries he's in august are treated so much differently than injuries in october that this guy had three and a half weeks to get ready for the regular season and if this happened in the regular season he'd be playing through it and might might be slightly compromised but we get so alarmist in august as opposed to october or november. That's what they say though. I don't believe that he would have been playing through it if okay it's been bothering them for three and a half months i can't think of like having been to the combine were andrew. Luck was looked down on the field throwing. He was one of the biggest human beings i've ever seen at quarterback. I mean like cam newton plus type gigantic dude but it does. It just goes to show that what's happening inside. These massive frames is totally utterly different. I mean he's dealt with more than you ever would have expected over the past three years and having jacoby perset is in a bad thing for them because when you think back to when we saw him last he he was playing behind that awful offensive line no running game yeah. They've changed a lot of pieces around him so he should be even better if he does have to play. I think this is like playing like he's dan. He could get the nick foles treatment where you play two to three games under frank reich in a nice situation and you put up some nice numbers and jacoby percents a free agent next x here and this two to three game period. If if that happened could get paid. I mean it's gonna be so influential to whatever his values next we are. We are also working under a hazy time line here the assumption that oh it'll be fine in two to three weeks. We thought that ninety three weeks ago and two to three weeks before that in two to three weeks before that it's it's a <hes> frightening injury. It's worth noting that ballard told peres taylor former chief speechwriter. <hes> a percent is much improved over where he was two years ago outside of everything surrounding him that has revamped his mechanics and he's played so much more confidently and he he sees the field better than he did when we last saw him all right who's computers on mine just taking over <music>. Let's move on. Let's move i but stay in the a._f._c. south and talk about who this is saucy john maclean as i said earlier he's been there forever baylor grad. He's been there since the love you blew years. Love love your blue years houston chronicle mainstay john maclean <hes> and a very entertaining twitter twitter account but also got it's plugged in <hes> been there forever and he put out a tweet yesterday that he would be surprised if davey and cloudy the star linebacker was he's not traded by the texans this clown he's he's on the franchise tag and the idea of the texans giving him a long term deal. He's been a very good player for them but also has had injury issues so houston has hesitated in that realm and now the idea that he could be moved colleen before for the start of now. What's ringing alone. One ring we take a break and also in personal space here here too. We have people here today. I wanna leave them more fun than i've had in a long time greg so anyway so cloudy the idea that he could be traded colleen. Perhaps even before week one that is pretty wild thought. Do you think it's it's even possible just chatter. This would be such a hard trade to pull off just because of the timing right now in the league year and the timing because of his whole deal because they pass that july fifteenth deadline any team that gets him essentially getting him for a one year rental because they aren't able to do a long term extension until the end of the season and a lot of teams already have their guys in place so i don't even know what kind of compensation you could get for him right now because he's he's obviously a former number one overall pick and he is so talented but i think his his kind of his clout and everything is diminished because of the way that the texans have handled this and the fact that the texans don't even have a g._m. Right now we'll push back on that a little bit because there is. There's this idea because you can't negotiate a long term deal. If you trade for him it's not like when the niners got deferred from the chiefs on the franchise tag and game the big contract it is but you still do you still have the the window uh-huh before free agency with him and greg correct me if i'm wrong. You're good at these matters. You do get draft pick compensation if he ends up leaving and going to another team so you could still get something out of it as long as you don't give up. If you're discipline that applies to your compensatory pick formula and assuming cloudy is plays like he did before that would be a third round pick but then you have to be a franchise that's all in on that that's disciplined and not signing another free agents because how the formula works if you sign another big free agent or two that wipes out losing connie but you're right team could theoretically give up a third round pick and get a third round pick compensatory and basically you got cloudy round pick though for him. Let me push back on your pushback. Okay or a second round. You talk about this window. I believe that you are not even allowed to negotiate with him until march right and if you're going to keep david david clowney off the open market after he just took the risk of playing on the franchise tag. You're gonna have to make him. The highest paid defensive player in n._f._l. History to keep him off the market what surprised me about the idea that the that it's surprising that he would not be shocked by the beginning of the season is that who and who and why and like it needed to the texans it's bad team management and they have no jerem right now to let him go because it they can gain back almost a million dollars in salary recap credit from his salary every week that he doesn't play and they have a hundred and ten million dollar salary cap room next off season and there's there's literally nothing to be gained by trading him to another a._f._c. Team for instance getting probably at the lowest max trade value right now. This is the worst time to trade off. Having i think trading for a draft pick doesn't make sense assuming you can't get better than a second but i don't know. I think there's a way to do that. Actually i would pay a second round about a second with a pass rusher yeah but if you're getting a player for player trade why not like trent in we'll talk about potential trades later but guys like williams. This is everyone's guessing as yeah but here's what's weird about that ever happened and then that makes some sense but you're right because o'brien took over as the everyone's saying they don't have a gym. I mean bill. Brian has has been the most powerful guy in that organization for years. He's running the team. Bill belichick runs his team. Pete carroll runs his team. Yes they have a personnel department but bill o'brien if nothing else is should be. It should be easier for him to make a trade than than if he had a g._m. But also clowney gets the last word and all of this if he is supposed to be traded to a team that he he doesn't want to go to. He doesn't have to go because he has to sign his tender. I before he can be traded well. He wants to play. I don't think anyone including clowns camp has made any overtures is that he skipped any work at all the ideas that he wants to play football wants to make safer miami make sixty million dollars to feel like bill o'brien. The coach battling clean with bill o'brien the trying to learn how to be a g._m. At the same time because to me it feels like the coach. Bill o'brien is sounded a little annoyed with cloudy for a long period and you understand y but trying to play the hat of the front office. You've gotta take the coaching staff sometimes and say it's not smart to do this. There's another way around this and who's giving him the pushback back in over his head. I think you're right that he probably doesn't see cloudy is a guy that they're gonna sign long-term. That's been made clear they have told you dave and cloudy in so many words this off season. We don't believe in you as a long term part of our team or else they would have signed him to a contract like they haven't given. There's been no negotiations. They already are at that that point so the thing. I don't get is why is coming up so late like like colleen said like o'brien took over for gain in early june so even that was a month and a half before this deadline. The timing of it is very strange to me. <hes> the one thing on trent williams john maclean also reported that the texans are not interested in trent williams. Oh oh read he would not that. It'd be just like going back to wayne brown and over thirty tackle with some injury issues who wants a huge contract by any sources there although the thing where this is fun as i did ask around for the people that know better than us the real insiders and there seems to be something there that they think they. I think this is oh. This thing is going to happen that the texans wanted to happen there has i don't know about that but i think that they're the reason. This is popping up. Now is because it seems like the texans and like people believe they're going to have here though i think the texans do it want to do it. It doesn't somebody will do business. I agree you tend to find one person to do it but it's not a wide spectrum of teams that are going to be chasing. It should be said before we move on. We gotta move on our own. Ian ian rapoport reported <hes> somewhat recently that the belief is that clowney will report to texas after the third preseason game. Even though brian himself is quoted as saying he has no idea when cloudy will report to camp so we're not hearing any you know hardball talk about him sitting out a season pulling a lead bell or zeke elliott or melvin gordon at this point all right. Let's move on the new york. Giants got bad news but bad news that it was expected. Golden tate lost the appeal of his four game suspension <hes> tate you may they remember <hes> was banned. After taking a fertility substance that is not allowed to take can't do it and you try to you or himself not as an n._f._l. As player try to report himself ahead of it try to get ahead of it but it didn't matter so you also have again sterling shepherd with a broken. Oh come back. He's been practicing weirdly with like a splint on his thought that seems weird but evan ingram's the only <hes> healthy the guy in that receiving core is that you can count on right now that weak what they're playing the cowboys in week one right the zeke elliott thing is getting weirder and weirder in terms of whether he'll be there for week one that game game could have a <hes> a different feel to it if some of the stuff doesn't shake out in other joe joe by the way. We don't even have to look at the. Maybe they already made the assigned. That's a that's a choice which mark read today. I don't know if you saw this week one tony romo. I did see that the other lineup is out there but it kind of threw me that any game involving the titans would have gotten week one romo. I don't care if they're playing well c._b._s. Rebel c._b._s. says the the giants cowboys late so they're picking their one o'clock game. That's kind of their spot to be the joe i will. I welcome in it but it just you know. Please visit embrace. It america's found reason why they picked it is because the browns are marquee team that people wanna watch the mark martini. You are enjoying every bit of this. I just need a- as an eagles fan calling you have to understand that just there's a little bit of your team knitting. It's they're trying to make the titans interesting. Wow week one. What happens if you lose at home. No no no no let your mind go that. I don't control enjoy the time you could also never happen. It also buy into your quarterback malarkey archy about now. Everyone's rooting against this story. That was out. That's show me the lie on that one. Come on please. His quote was because of the hype. The hype is real will show me the lie. There said that people now are rooting for them to fail. Oh my god. That's the way feel that mark niklas every n._f._l. Analyst who has made that point this off season. I be rich man difference between being an n._f._l. Analyst finding claim let me ask you collection people rooting against if they go one and five tell me that the brushback won't be totally for that johann everybody's gonna fans and media love of the browns and no teams gotten more lax but i think maybe baker. I read the entire suicide. He's talking about within the league. I think that's true. I think other teams are like gimme. A break on the browns like here's their problems. This is a team. That's won seven games next year and they don't like the hype. Let's jump into the fish tank. Let's let's jump in oh. It's got to be ready for the fish tank. This is not good. This is not good. Kenyan drake one of the most important players <hes> for the dolphins. He's he's a boot and <hes> these got a foot injury and dolphins coach. Bryan florida's acknowledged that drake's injury. It's gonna take a quote while to heal. They hope he'll be ready for week one <hes> but as of today wednesday he's walking around in that boot and we again now. We're getting close the three three weeks away when you're starting running back is in a boot mark. That's the problem. I like kaelin balaj. The backup and i don't even know if you'd kalma backup. I mean there's a bit of a timeshare but if you look at and it's just one preseason game drake dominated the first team reps i wanna see the second third and forth before we jump into that whole conversation but you got two running backs drake i think is someone that's just been mo-. Most people probably had him on fantasy like why was he not used a lot. More under adam engaged was it used in confusing ways. It's only adds to the conflict and if it wasn't for drake the miami miracle would have never happened the miami on not even in the books. I thought he might be a trade candidate. If not this month and during the season 'cause he's in the last year of his contract and just feels like all. I think teams would be like twenty five or twenty six. Oh you don't want you want to build their own well. They don't seem to like him as much as other people's career year though i like we know what the new coaching staff things entirely geese used him in a very weird way. I thought that's fair. <hes> let's stay in the tank cameron wolf. He's a reporter for <hes> e._s._p._n. Familiar uh-huh fortunately wolves stick together. We do that wolf pack wolf nation just like hey wolf's made for latte. It's kind of just my family. The wolfpack josh rosen has been getting quote true starter. Burn this week greg. You've covered the league for many many years. Please eliminate the audience. What does it mean to get true starter burn. I think it's misleading 'cause all he's doing is getting some uh-huh reps with the first team but less reps even than ryan fitzpatrick like this isn't a situation where they've even given him a taste of it. They've treated him like a like a backup like a true backup that doesn't even get a single snap with the first off camp and now they give them like a little bit because this week to do it. It's the second preseason we if if there's any time he's gonna get with the starters. This is in the second preseason game. You start fitzpatrick for a couple of series. Rosen gets his chance with the starters and after that it's all fitzpatrick they've i'm giving him. No run even in these practices. It's supposedly muslims patrick they. I don't think they have any interest in starting. Josh rosen week one what they've shown. I've always separate the the football analysis of the dolphins with just the parlance of the n._f._l. Please give us burn is true starter accepting that you're not accepting it as a a phrase or as that it's true in this is true. Starter burn plane with the starters. Is that right feeling darter reps and now it's it's building. I like the turn of phrase true started burn not just getting more wrestling started jit rapson key situations nations parlance for steam reps. It's it's interchangeable with the word run. He's getting some run with the starters trying to be the straw that stirs the offenses fences drink the one that was against it. But of course i decided where is it. You do keep hearing on our network. I hear it on every network are dr so mars is guilty. Send it off into space. I think erica can do that. We have the power as as a podcast that that phrase will no longer it'd be said by a decree from calling wolf by. I'm not gonna use the phrase but as dan knows. There's only one man who gets us. It's reggie jackson who created the phrase in regards to the late term lived up to it did three homers seventy seven series thing all right so back to yankee history. It goes where it must stay. One more item from the fish tank minka fitz patrick the versatile defensive back of the dolphins omar kelly reporter for the south florida sun-sentinel sent out a tweet. I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but make patrick isn't playing well and guess who responds got up in the replies mingka's ma mom. That's not a mom joke. Guys is actually his mother. Mingka's mom minkin melissa replied omar. No you would never want to do that. Maybe it's because he is not a strong safety and is being used to suit other. People's skill set not his own but you know let's keep ripping him because we know it breaks your heart to do that. I mean is there anything better than a mom mom's for the win and then make a comes back on the practice field and gets asked about it and he kind of agrees his mom. It is what it is. He told the miami herald. She's being honest and saying how she feels. There's nothing wrong with it. I wish you would have addressed me first and talk to me first before it happens but it is what it is. She feels very very strongly. He added. She's not wrong. Coaches asked me to do something right now. I got to do what they asked me to do. If we have to have some discussions in the future we'll have those discussions west. What what exactly is the issue with fitzpatrick. They're not giving him the opportunity to be his true bestself. There's no bad guys here. They have many injuries at strong safety and they have a guy. They want to watch free safety bobby mccain so they're having minka big. I mean florida's comes from bellichik. You've got to play multiple. Positions is important to have versatility. It's important to have have emergent break case in case of emergency players. They're seeing if v fitzpatrick can play in the box in his opinion is i'm two hundred and five five pounds earned twenty. I'm not best suited for the buck but i'm doing this because my coaches asked me. Tune is best for the team. His mom is a little bit different. This is where like you donate to overreact to what they're doing. In the second week of training camp right. They're just they're messing around but it did get me thinking along with jonathan abrams the raiders safety who mentioned his mom. Mom is younger than tom brady. Daddy <hes> as parents are a little more social media savvy. You know whatever it's just going to become. There's gonna be more storylines like this like whoa wait bombs coming at last moms they weren't they were on the other on moms. Moms are different but this story reminds me of marcus vick when he used a tweet about michael vick would always be like have have you would have to answer. These questions and i can't imagine what the conversations like that oh man stop. It does hit me like as an age indicator when i see moms named melissa because growing up. I never knew any mom's name melissa. It was just the the girl's name of someone in your class or something something like a third grade classmate now. They're mumps it is it's gotten a lot of homs diane. There is a song from the early seventies sweet melissa which would lead melissa with your lee. The people were saying the name didn't exist us just that there weren't in my town flush with mom's name melissa is it's much more probably dying off. I feel like now a lot of melissa like the name melissa. I like it a lot but it reminds me of like a younger person than a mom but i guess moms were young so mom could be at a very young age say as a <hes>. Can we just clip. I don't wanna see them all the blinders on as an eighties lady's baby it is a little unusual now. When you see like thirty nine year old tiffany right yeah y- now world ti tiffany simple right down to the four hundred eighty six most popular girls name where's tiffany shoveling tiffany because tiffany monster a lot of that too later later on was after say by the bell of course we're tiffany up because that was a a monster in eighties. We have our own it lands on the network tiffany the song something to do with it. It's getting buried not even in the top thousands of age. I don't know if i trust those sites nights but that's fine <hes> finally in the news anything else mark about the names like are they pulling those rankings from true updated census this or is it like just their own thing. I believe it's the two thousand ten cents told finally in the news some big behind the scenes n._f._l. News the n._f._l. In its efforts to get involved in war and find different ways to promote social justice has partnered with roc nation nation the entertainment company founded by jay z and they've agreed to lead the league's endeavors in music and entertainment <hes> as part of this long longterm partnership rock nation will advise on the selection of artists for n._f._l. Events like the super bowl especially as well but other things as well and also play key role in the production. The promotion of new music also ties rock nations inspire change initiative with the n._f._l. And it's massive platform which is a good thing. There's a lot to the story and there was a a meeting between jay z and roger goodell that was that coming to light right as we went upstairs to do the show but i'm from my perspective as someone who's worked here for a while and covered a lot of the halftime shows <hes> this is much bigger than the super bowl halftime show but i will say the super bowl halftime show needed help help it kind of hit a low watermark in atlanta with maroon five where the n._f._l. And maroon five got just savaged <hes> to the point where are they cancelled the super bowl press conference because it had just become such a tough situation so bringing in jay z. A. first of all it took that shirt off. He's changed everything but bringing in jay z and his team. I'm sure that is that's gonna freshen things up and also also something that carolina no. You're a big fan of the hip hop see. I'm so excited about that because i feel like we're going to get a new mix of finally now see the n._f._l. N._f._l. Halftime show is really held off on aside from you. Know little stints here in a cameo as missy elliott comes to mind but there have been many and maybe some actual hip pop acts which won't please. Everyone was that ricky finally doing this thing but i think it's for the good because <hes> what happens apple said cameo and it was really funny. Okay yeah. I'm excited about it because i thought for sure when we were in atlanta. Ah last year for the super bowl we would maybe some good hip. Hop axe and that's i mean when you look at the atlanta rap scene. It's vast and we didn't didn't get that last year so you have like thirty boy that's right. You're disciplined. J._c. was asked about colin cabinet. Jay z. famously asli put the n._f._l. On blast like in the last single that they from the beyond z. album that they released. I liked it. I think is underrated out <hes> <hes>. What was the line basically that he didn't need. He turned down the n._f._l. We don't need them. We're in stadiums to <hes> but he was asked like working with the n._f._l. In despite colin kaepernick not having a job and he had he had a pretty good answer for that just saying like this is kind of the next the next step like colin. Kaepernick new was more than just himself that he wasn't about colin kaepernick having a job it was about trying to have a platform warm and make changes in jay z with with part of this deal is is saying that there are companies going to do that but that also reminded me is this is the season where people will basically have stopped considering that colin kaepernick could work again because it hasn't been a story at all. He's only thirty one years old. He's out there working out according to social media eighty and all that but this is kind of the season where no one's even brought up the idea of colin kaepernick joining a team anymore virgil west. You just got to beep bieber fever. That's what's happening or have i ever in the news. All right hard knocks episode to okay rolled out h._b._o. Go good job by the way shouts h._b._o. Used to be new episode comes out and then and it shows up the next morning on h._b._o. Go and you're like twiddle your thumbs now. They put it up in real time big change. It changed everything because now i don't know but i watched it with simone because she the show she enjoys in like it's very voyeuristic and what's happening inside his team but in the old days we used to have our podcast pretty early the next morning and i remember having to wake up at the crack of dawn. Try to watch these hard cops. Hard knocks episodes art cubs. That's yeah totally different channels on showtime show you watch late at night. That was a fire drill. I'll take this in a second yeah. Hard knocks <music> ads expected <hes> tony brown heavy so that i thought you know we talked about on on monday. Show how it was kind of an important episode for for hard knox <hes> because we'll they give you access and we didn't really greg get access and that we got access to antonio brown who who talk too hard knocks cameras showed his feet said that his feet were circumcised. Which is you know sushi while watching that this is disgusting it was so gross saying your feet of uncircumcised basically total weird guy behavior but that's what i'm telling you this <hes> but what we didn't really get was any peek behind battle lines mhm the raiders facility. There was a blink and you'll miss it. <hes> shot of gruden coaches only meeting kind of speaking tele talking to himself saying thing right. Has anyone seen my friend be. I wish he was here but we don't get anything but there are a couple of little moments like that another one where the coach another assistant was was talking to him and gruden was grumbling and you almost saw gruden stop talking as if he knows these miked and like like little moments where you could see some legit frustration and i thought they split the difference. They also made news. I mean it is hard knocks. You're not expecting them to make news and no one had any of that info from antonio brown though about the exact it to what happened the dan treated which was very detailed and rather gross terrain his feet right all all that tales of everything. That's happened in new that now they punted essentially on the helmet talk for the most part. We got <hes> essentially actually just an n._f._l. News update and some live schreiber <hes> you know veto <hes> and they kind of teased more on. That's coming next week but you know the more i thought about got it and there was out there. People were taken to the extreme saying this was potentially leading to this episode. Hard knocks jumped the shark moment. If we don't get inside info on this it's a extremely sensitive situation for the raiders at this moment and you see it and how gruden handled the situation because i think he kind of did handle this. Well in terms of crisis control roll backing brown not making flam tori comments to the media. I don't know if he does that. In two thousand and two remember he took on keyshawn johnson. It's a different situation but he kind kinda stayed out of the way made sure not to thrown kerosene on the flames and now browns back at camp as of yesterday and gruden was speaking positively that he was going to be there and he was going to be there z. receiver and everything was going to be great. Maybe that's what ends up happening and they survived this <hes> but to west point because he made a good point <hes> <hes> last week and i touched on it in my right up n._f._l. Dot com you just wonder this whole culture rebuild. Where does antonio brown actually fit in and i know he makes the team better from a skill a skill aspect but i'm watching this and he's he does all these talks of this young team trying to beat him up build them them up and then you hear the narrator like antonio brown has decided to leave campus like well that is that the guy that you want in the building when you're trying to reestablish reestablish the raiders culture well if you look at their allocation of resources money. What have you since jon gruden took over either be nonplussed if you're looking for for some kind of pattern or plan or cohesion i just don't they. It's all over the map. I would also say you know we've followed bad teams that have talked about culture change one coach one g._m. After the other for tech aids plus and without good players culture change is a lot of hot air or it certainly can be in the n._f._l. In i think the change will then tonio brown always come on the field and the i feel i think these hard knocks episodes you either. You're either writing with gruden. If you're in or you're not he is the rage. I thought he was the raging star of last night. Show whether you find him likable or you don't so that to me i th i started to like him a little bit more and i don't know if he has as a whole lot more to say on antonio brown behind the scenes to be honest because i'm sure he's got stuff. He's not letting us but his job is to prepare not just antonio o.'neil brown and figure it out but eighty ninety other guys and a bunch of other coaches and how much time and energy can you spend on a guy who's not there at the car said it well when a guy's he's not here for whatever reason we got press on like they don't deal with it the way that we do. They knew what they were getting into with a._b. As well i mean i thought that from last night ah mark you are so dead on with gruden just being the starch right from the jump pulls the bait and switch on everybody and he's like welcome to week two of the preseason. Everybody let me say hi and then he's like all right now. Let's get down to business. I eat better for q ship but more than anything better execution we clear on at what better like oh my god okay jesus yeah but i loved his interaction with the backup quarterbacks next to have a little personality today. I'm well. Here's the thing i always wonder like him in breen brutally hard hard on his quarterbacks which is what he's sort of famous. Is that helping anyone like first of all you can't you can't train mike glennon or nathan peterman to be natural leaders. They're not going to suddenly become then greis. Well like the guys that are leading an entire team. 'cause gruden's says can you can you talk a little more and ingredients kind of famous for this. I mean he's it's so funny because he's a coach goes through the emotions like a fan like when glennon like at first uh-huh loves glenn glenn now. I love that after he throws. What the hell are you doing at one point because a block it he just yells out to nobody buddy and to me. This is very this jon gruden nacho and to nobody's just goes. Let's play some football here. No one's listening just like going crazy breath running out of lifespan. I mean it is funny. I don't think anyone's say for the the house the house mouse like. I don't think anyone's safer than derek carr. This is a backup quarterback competition. There will be no clear winner. It will just be who survives and takes that that spot that was the takeaway for me. Connie hoardings all my god. I'm so many max crosby who i like to oh i loved optum then he got her but his song was that i think oh my god that was great. I wasn't sure how it was going to be at first and then he came right in and everyone's dancing haman singing along with him so renfro had maybe the worst hard knocks performance ever in twenty years. That's lean on me. That's the closest i've ever ever seen anyone singing exactly like me. A two of those a season is enough. What else needs desperately elite needs sunblock. He has to wear it. I'm worried about him. I liked i think we need to reach out to him and maybe send him some sun because he was very burnt and as somebody buddy who was also very burnt this past weekend. I can attest not a good feeling so i would like him to win. You know while we're on the topic of mayock. Don't pull that uncle google stuff where it's like a parliament yes so because that's his kid. Did he pays any pain song. He has to then you know a cost. What's the what's the kids again. Max cross crosby practice and be like oh. You're wrapped in. <hes> you ever hear that parliament funke delic zelik you ever hear george clinton buzi collins. How do you call yourself a rap then down uncle they easy. He's twenty three years sold okay. He doesn't need to know about this music from forty years ago to be a fan of punk rock the tape i think gruden naturally can work with like the younger generation i that's not max strong ally not as i love this when i give extra points for anybody who appreciates shapes what came before you and actual appreciation for history that i get. I would never give someone like a hard time for not knowing. I don't expect that max crosby to know who george clinton is like may has been on a special personal message mission did not show up on this show best. He can probably not thrilled at that scene came out but i think the last couple of seasons have been a study of an gruden's probably better than a year ago trying to work with millennials trying to work with younger people because that's that's not something mayock was doing to this degree before in gruden to me. I think is doing a pretty good job of it. Depending on player to player he still has the passion for the job. You could see it comes through. It's the fact that n._f._l. Films can just bring up that mcveigh footage from what he was starting like no other this boy. There's no other sport. There's there's no other like exact example that we're just they can call up and they happen to have been there in two thousand you know they were there and they and they have it and the the most telling rolling moment of the entire show was that quick moment they showed gruden mcvay talking and and they're just an ingredients just like hey or in the super bowl last year. We're a long way from the super bowl or something like that was real. That's why he has a lot to say. I think about antonio brown behind the scenes and a lot of things but that was like a quick moment where you got real luck into like man. I wish we were the rams. It's here too. It's a ten year job or ten year contract and he's got a lot of work to do all right. That's what's going now with. Hard knocks before we get to our juicy trade scenarios a reminder. Oh by the way check out. The hard knocks podcast. Oh yes it by peter schrager h._b._o. Wpro films joint schrage bomb is hosting it our body yeah episode every day. After the podcast airs i believe every wednesday we you just don't shine us going to a big podcast fan and i like the idea of limited series podcast. I like one that you you're in for five or six weeks in your output me and put me out. Absolutely hard knocks podcast. Oh one more note fantasy extravaganza. Oh it's on get ready next wednesday and guess what martorell dinner big fish. Oh what anthony happy you believe and the aussie all right frikkie. Hey how does personal messages to other people because they like the post on the site. That's done baganza hands-on next wednesday. I won't say anything else but i'm just gonna let you know the what do they call. The line is in the water the real the real well. I got the real. The lines ends in the world and there's a big piece of meat on the end of the line chum. Put right on the hook. Who big fish. Can i get him in the boat. I don't no no but the real good boat talk. He's so bad of us out of the boat. Hope not not all right. Let's get to it juicy. Trade scenarios trade scenario is that make sense for n._f._l. Teams entering week one. I think it only <hes> uh make sense to start with jadeveon clowney because and maybe we have multiple being clowney trade options out there but i have have one you guys know it you guys know because as soon as this dropped on text a or on social yesterday we were on a text chain and i got excited about the idea ah the jets going after cloudy <hes> so i want to put together a trade offer because as we know and it's one of those off repeated things west of the jets have another troop has insurance inch john abraham in two thousand five. That's true poor cavin pace. It's been a lot come face. At ten sacks on areas is little blair but <hes> you know he's not a truly truly give out he wasn't a and and i just think and everything we talked about make sense about why you would be careful about giving up too much for cloudy but i think the jets are in an interesting position here because they have pieces in place to make you think they could make a run at a playoff spot this year. So how serious serious are you about that really because when you sign levy on bell and son james and crowder and you go get ryan kalil out of retirement and you make those type of moves that tells me you're trying to win and ten or eleven games this year but guess what you have a major problem at secondary. We talked about it on monday. Tremaine johnson got hurt. Chiron brown also suffered a hamstring injury. Both those guys is our out. Indefinitely could miss regular-season time updated cornerback a depth chart dour roberts brian poole in arthur molet good player. So what are you gonna do. It's gonna be hard to upgrade the cornerback. Go you need your defensive line to get after the quarterback and bail out your secondary's essentially so get cloudy plugged that hole since sean adrian. How're you gonna do it. Let's keep it simple is this is an easy because i really do like this player but he's also he's in a contract back to your straight up today cloudy for leonard williams while going back to houston the jets seemed to be on the fence about whether williams's as a fit long term but he's obviously very talented young player <hes> that get houston's defensive line gets a boost get cloudy out of the building if they don't believe in them the moneys very very close. Williams makes a fourteen point two million in the final year of his rookie deal. Cloudy is sixteen million this year. I think it helps ball teams clears up a little bit of a logjam for the jets after they're moving the with their first pick in this draft and it gives you cloudy a fearsome guy that can rush the passer and stop the run and yes it takes discipline greg to figure out how to play this out if counties successful this season if the trade went down <hes> but i actually think they have a g._m. Joe doug. I just might be able to handle the situation and joe joe douglas looking to make his first big splash because i don't count ryan kalil. Is that about that clowney for big cat. I'm just not interested if i'm the jets are giving up a a one of my better players just like why i'd give up. I'd rather give up a second round. Pick then give up leonard williams. You have leonard for the season. You wanna see what he looks like. In greg williams offense you could use the franchise tag on them next next year. I think there's an argument to be made that especially. If you do use the compensatory pick formula everyone goes crazy about second round picks this time of year. You know sometimes second round picks are like duke dawson the patriots cornerback who's not even gonna make the team in the second season like i know in clown he's good. I know leonard williams is good. I don't want to give up when you don't have many good players. I don't want to give them a better team. I think it does make them a better team. How maybe you're saying for positional versatility versus hillary that clowning can play outside. Williams is more of an inside guy. Yeah sure i thin clouds a little better at what he does and he's definitely at a position they could use more but i think leonard williams is one of the whatever six best players jet so. I don't wanna give i i think you have to go into. I think texans will do that. You have to go into this with a battalion. Everyone it is very possible that no matter how good we think our offices and how good are g._m. Is there is an agent and there is a player who wants to maximize awesome. Is there earnings. After this and it's possible the jets and cloudy have one season together so if i'm gonna do that and i hear where you're going with it like you've got to make some cuts because of your cap situation too do but i think it's a go for broke move on defense and i wouldn't give up leonard williams. I'd give up almost anything else. I don't care about the pick as much. I'm with greg on that. It would be tasty though i love. The need is there in the fit is there but i don't know if you can make it work because just thinking about i would. I would give up somebody else if i could because having clowney quantum williams and leonard williams on a lie now that's good now. That really significantly helps the team. Yep all right connie you you go next okay okay. How could you use all right. You didn't expect it to go okay. Okay well. The help your stress level just get out of the way instead of building up to you know me so like no matter what the assignment is i stress out about it so i talked myself in and out of multiple trades with multiple teams liam's but then i was thinking about the seahawks and jud avian cloudy and i was thinking that their major weakness right now is pass rush so they have to fill that spot left by frank clark. They have ziggy ansah there but you don't know exactly what you're going to get from ziggy. Can he give you a throwback performance. Is he going to be all away. Healthy due to fifteen games okay great. They have the cap space. They have about twenty million cap and then this year next year. Are there really good too so here and also you have drawn read <hes> whose face setup bench and i've just i what this is what i'm thinking if you go second round pick because it is basically a one year deal for cloudy especially if he gets hurt. You don't know you can't really control a whole lot so second round pick and then what if you throw a maybe some unlimited trips to the top of the space needle or something like that or clinch show bring back dewayne brown twain breath they want because the scene and thirty four okay so if you can't get trent williams who is you mentioned. Earlier is a thirty something who has dealt with some injuries. Why don't you get somebody back on on your team that you shipped off to the seattle seahawks in the first place. They'd be desperate to get rid of all right. What about their their new pick. Even post-iraq back i mean he's a guard but you could throw in him and and maybe one of the they got. Even the taxes have ethan postal ears. It's it's a fun one. I just don't know why the seahawks have any interest in giving up. You know a left tackle that contract that need. I don't think that the texans are going to be interested in just draft on a need players their window right now. They're set up to win right now. So if you're going to get rid of j._v. and cloudy you need you need somebody ready to help protect deshaun watson on that line especially last year after seeing sixty two sacks come on and and ryan kalil didn't look great in his first preseason game. You don't know what you're are gonna get from him. That's the most important position on the line. I th i think seahawks makes a lot of sense to have an extra pick because of the frank clark trade. Oh just send a pic. There's no way they would. They would rather have dwayne brown than having cloudy especially because he got a couple of years right and you know you gotta protect russell's that's been this is the first this year in seventeen years that we haven't been talking about the offensive line because now it's good so but but i could see them. They've been very aggressive. Descending picks remember they sent a pick for percy harvey when he didn't have much let then they ended up resigning him and everything they've they've made a lot of aggressive moves. They're about as likely. I think as any team in the league to do something where they're just like fine. We'll give a second and we'll hope that we can convince cloudy to sign here and maybe the money i could picture clowney thriving. Yes you could see that that that david in cloudy breakout season that we've been waiting for where he has seventeen and a half sacks and is in the running for defensive player of the year could totally that happened to eight duane brown has burned that bridge. I agree agree. I agree and a clown. He's the one that has agreed. All this person of these parameters. Seattle is makes a lot more sense than some of these other teams all right wes well. We're sticking with cloudy. I want to send them home. He's from the south east. <hes> i wanna send it to a place where they could have reasonable a belief that they might have an edge signing him because he be home the atlanta falcons and they have salary cap issues so we gotta make this work. Vic beasley greg said you know a week or two ago. Falcons biggest problem on defense. Is these guys. They've drafted to be making pass. Rushers haven't gotten it done while the texans are going to need a a pass rusher we're sending vic beasley and his thirteen million <hes> back to houston for the last year of his contract with a third round pick and we're getting cloudy and return wow lasik beasley in the third for today vian clowney and now you've got the falcons who think they're a super bowl contender which david clowney who if on a super bowl contender the thing thing. I love most about county in addition to versatility. He shows up in big games. He's tara the patriots. He dominated the raiders in the playoffs. He's one of his best games ever against the eagles pulls his p._f. Numbers are wild. If you look at them every year he's dominated in november december and the place like he's been a fairly average player in the first half of the last three seasons almost like he's getting up to speed and then he just kills people which is that if you're going to pick the time of year to do it that's it. The falcons would definitely be the winners and that trade grade. I wonder what bill brian like but again. It's one year though that's that's the thing that i find like a little bit out there. For most the way that most front office would think is a gopher broke one year move with zero guaranteed. I wonder it's gonna round. Pick alone is enough to get cloudy. Maybe when we do the texans should be happy to get a third round pick. They've i think no. I don't think they would trade him for a third but you're getting a thirty whole bunch of other stuff. That's why i'm saying sitting on. Them is probably what the trade is going to go down in two hours. All of this i think of that with your turn all right all right thank you. Here's what could turn me into a fan of a team that is sorted driven me nuts <hes> historically over the past couple of years and that is the green bay packers <hes> and the green bay packers have a new coach. They have a new running scheme that does not fit jamal williams. It does fit aaron jones but aaron jones has not been the most consistent reliable running back on the face of the earth and it wouldn't be the worst thing on the planet to have two or to have someone even better than aaron jones brought into green bay to flip the switch on an offense instead is not had a dominant running game really at all under aaron rodgers and it's a so i send melvin gordon to the packers for a second round pick and you know what charges you can equanimity of saint brown and return say in a second round pick. You're getting you could get him for second round. Pick charges are chargers on this guy. Charges are done with them. They they already they already have had philip rivers saying we're good with who we have and we gotta be settled who we have. They do have good running backs. It's a loss to not have melvin gordon. Put you in this situation. Where it's what are you gonna do. You're gonna doesn't even finish in his first name before to. Let's go just because oh this deal's done. He's a little cherry very on top a second round pick. I think that's equipping. You're not are you. Are you trading a first round. Pick for gordon. I i think a seconds to rich really well. That's that if anything anything. I'm throwing the charters of bone days n._f._l. Third around her that you just treated duke johnson for third rounder it's tricky you gotta pay him. You assume you have to pay him top five running back money other in this mess in the first place and i i went through that too thinking about what melvin gordon could get who would want him and you're you're right. I don't think a ton of teams are going to give up a time because you've got to give up the contract but i did think of one team that would be desperate enough lindley and it's a team you call up and thom tillis go the chargers one day. He calls up jay. Gruden starts talking to them about a couple of hours later talk to bruce allin. Don't don't even tell jay gruden that you talked. Don't even tell bruce allen you talk to jason then maybe call dance nut ownership talk about just have them start playing against each other the whole redskin out power dynamic. Those are the types of desperate wait. Are you simply just trying to be a stinky davis within. I think think it's accurate somehow play all the redskins front office maneuvering against the judge. This is where crazy traits sticky davis to sit on the iron throne role basically and you get ten williams back because tread williams does not want to play for the redskins. It's just not going to have this is the one guy i believe that he he is making a stand and he's just not playing for this organization ever again and i think gruden and the people there should be realizing. They're all in the hot seat. They're all needing to win this year. Who's going to help you more or this year. You're not gonna have williams melvin gordon or trent williams and i know they have some running back there but you can't trust darius guys who still not practice fully. I don't care about eight eight peterson gordon in their gave him some money hold on sunday in the red zone he just glossing over the fact that they adrian peterson darius guys and they don't need melvin gordon. I i don't know i don't care about it. What does that mean. Oh he's a backup. You could cut if you want. He's he's coming off one thousand yard season. I don't care the redskins you need players that they can build around and they seem like a team that actually even though i'm not super into giving up a lot for melvin gordon paint a lot of money they just seem like a team that would cause melvin gordon's young young and good and he can handle all three downs. You don't have anyone like that. You're going to pay him like let's say top three running back when you invested a second round pick and guys i mean adrian. Peterson is making forget about peter's last month with you on that has been not someone they got. A guy says a late amid sexual who hasn't practice fully as a pro yet. You've said on this podcast. He's the three day on back who guys i haven't healthy. He still hasn't been able to play like a full contact practice in stuff so i'm county so in two weeks he can practice again and then you have a good player. That's not something that you don't really need help with. I disagree. I mean that is that's bryce. Love up to i mean. Why are we going to get the owner on the phone like greg saying he's thinking and what can i. Who can i put on the tickets. Who can i put on the program something the redskins are do. It doesn't have to be a good trade wait for them to do. You want to quick speed around real quick around one more if anybody's got one. That's all i got. I got i think i think cloudy to the titans would make some percents to they need to pass the eagles and they trade him in their own division. I got a quick when ryan fitzpatrick patrick on the move again we just talked about philly and jacksonville two teams that really need help backup quarterback. We'll the compensation be when v signed with the dolphins a deaf chart art was jake ruddock and luke falk right then they'd made that nice josh rosen trade. What do you need. The veteran gunslinger around for <hes> fits doesn't make any sense. You can really really mess things up with the fits magic. This is a team that should be taken a long look at an intriguing prospect rosen so take bits and send it to one of these contenders that really need some <hes> <hes> a security blanket behind their starters. I think it makes sense. <hes> oh and you wanna compensation sixth round pick that works fifth fifth round or maybe i got one just forgetting shingles just because i want to see so when clowney got drafted number one the debate was whether you should take khalil leo mac or judean clowning. That's reunite both of them on the bears. Send leonard floyd in a third round pick to the texans and now we're cooking with fire. I like who i. I have one to offer you. That probably will not follow your rules but it's when i came up with it it fills two teams needs and desires to the instagram and that's why i want you to listen to before melissa shoe it off and we well it was the show what is it that the texans miss right now. They miss front office <music> leadership and guidance. Yes they are a ship of wrote in they have no way of course they have guidance. We'll see how that's working. What is it they wanted wanted and they couldn't get. What is it that the team. They tried to get it from could very much use. The patriots could use judean clowney. Patriots are a super bowl window window. One year super bowl window team that could say after this people the whole thing up and the texans they could get the texans have no way to hang onto cloudy. That's the way i see it. After this year. It's gotten acrimonious. He's out. The patriots have no way to hang onto nick caserio. He's there for one year. He's essentially been held hostage and and he's out. He's going to go to houston. Clients go somewhere else. The patriots might as well say at least we get something in theory in return. We give you nick caserio. You give us seven in cloudy we get i know you're gonna laugh at it but it makes it is two teams that get what they absolutely need to bre- especially for the texans you have no idea you're going to get caserio after the season. We don't know why. Why do we think nick caserio. Is this genius what we don't have organised. The whole organization was better. Better is the caserio than bill o'brien. I have no idea you could you could look at everything in the world that way but that's but the texans we already know have deep interest in nicosia radio and got into the into a tampering snafu because isn't it and they're gonna go after again. There's like that. Maybe we'll throw in like dietrich wise and caserio for clown. I liked that. I liked that any still there. They just wade into atlanta at one went to ah. I like that that's good. I like okay agree. I like it. Dan does not know area. Stuff is a little bit overblown. You're operating. This was also a little bit on fire about the bill. O'brien knows nothing. The train has left the station. I don't i don't know where this is coming brian the one that wants to syria more than anyone. He's clowney thing not because bill o'brien. I think that the texans our house on fire they are a house on fire brian gained in. I mean come on well. How about the way they handle cloudy. They're getting pennies on the dollar for him now because they didn't do things in a timely family mainly botch. How do you know that because the only way to get real value forms trade deadline well at least three insiders have said he's on the trade bloc mike mike garafolo mike lombardi and o'brien or not john maclean but if you if you trade him or shop him before july fifteenth leave you can get real value back for him but once that once he can't sign anymore. What are you turning. The thing i'll say is that that the comp situation complicated you buy an obvious rift between the coach and g._m. G._m. got fired. That probably did not. I know there was still a a window where they could have gotten a deal done but that was a bit of the organization station was in a transition there and then the patriots shadow over their ability to kind of move on <hes> in a functional manner i i just i'm not ready to say the texans are completely on fire right now because of the way this that's fine because that's the second g._m. That bill o'brien had major issues with again. I think bill o'brien is a good coach and maybe he'll be fine running the show upstairs for the season two but he already has been inside the patriots organization for years and knows what bill belichick and other people much smarter than running in most teams think of nick caserio so it's like i have friends and a lot of historical knowledge around him trying to hire him. Give him a nice contract and giving them a nice big contract and also giving up. One of your best players. Just seems like a lot of compensation if you're if we're talking seriously about trae who probably won't play for the texans this year at at all at this point and certainly won't play after this year this year where we're not hearing blame if you're hearing that they're looking to trade him something. It's not going mean well. They wrapped it find a partner for him to play and he's not playing for more than one year so like the idea that they knew that months ago if he moves cloudy for a a fifth round pick or something i will not be defending o'brien i just i i guess i just wanna see how this all plays out our our just say lowest pick that you'd be happy with for him. I think you need to get at least a third rounder back at least but probably a second for a player of clouds building. I know they boxed themselves in but you know the second round. I you think you'd be you could live with. This is a roster that can crumble in a hurry. There's not much to look forward to beyond two thousand nineteen and i think you're talking about you said what what else is bill o'brien well. They have guards coming out their ears. It nobody who can play tackle they just keep drafting guards tween or tackles over and over again and moving them inside the guard. This roster is in bad shape going forward alright. There'll be a fun track. This year won't they. They will ladies and gentlemen lady. The and gentleman well ladies. Eric is there to it. What's your thoughts on ricky. I dunno you guys. Were screaming a lot gummy kind of worked up back here okay. That's not a good sign all right. We'll be back on friday now again. I am on call for jury duty and so far los angeles. The city of los angeles said zinser not needed. You don't need to handle any crime situations right now. We don't need. They haven't pulled into their into the actual downtown place. I've never heard of anything. You're downtown santa monica so you're downtown downtown big house where o._j. O._j. went down so three days in. I have to call in two more times and i might i might just get away with this but i i've also called in for friday <hes> but just know that we have a special guest coming on friday and also if i'm here i should say there will be the hot button power rankings. We'll be dropped all the head coaches from the safest then you can imagine who is at the top of that list to the one that you here right now. I think if you've listened to the voice you can you tell me mm-hmm. Where did you find this job or did you record this job. This is real scary all right so that's coming up on friday. Maybe all right. Let's get out of a collie. Hey you came you. Did it yeah no problem. Anytime man did a great job. You've set it all and it's great to have you back. I'm gonna kill ricky alright. Stan heads signing off our quiet storm. The mailman the tiny box old boss rick still yeah yeah.

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"Saudi arabia announces new. Modernisation laws in australia reporter is arrested in beijing for espionage. Denmark announces a large construction project. And the skinniest house in london is put up for sale. This is the world at large. We are politics one thousand and one. Thank you for tuning into this episode of the world at large. This show is free for everyone and to keep it that way. Consider supporting us through the link. Our description you can support us by leaving a review subscribing and sharing with a friend as well now without further ado please enjoy this episode of our podcast. Hello everybody welcome to another episode of the world at large now before a hand the reins over to our residents international news experts. Josh over here. I would just like to say that what we do. 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I expect the patriots guys all right saudi arabia who we got a lot of stuff going on there because hamas sought ma the crown prince of saudi arabia is decided to go through a modernisation face. The he has for a while. But saying i am going to modernize the kingdom. I'm going to be the prince. That never was the knight in shining armor to the damsel in distress. That is of course the saudi kingdom. I thought your say me. And ian ian is the damsel. He's not a very good damsel all without self. Say that much but he cuts eddie of. Let down your hair okay. Nice so have all these judicial reforms for the kingdom because there's this thing in saudi arabia where the judges they kind of make their own decisions like tiny little tiny little laws but for the most part they kind of just like they go off the gulf though win. Because there's no actual formal salt lake. National legalized code of law in saudi arabia. So that and i'm going to get into that but this is why there is a lot of human rights issues in the country regarding gender equality because there's no formal law saying that. You can't do that. Can't you can't discriminate based on gender. So then stuff like this happens so muhammad bin salman is saying you know what enough enough. It's time for us to stop getting condemned by the international organizations. Now i love it. I love being condemned by the international organizations. In fact it makes me smile. But but i i just don't have time for anymore i. It's not something i want to deal with. I think it might be good to just move on a life so according to saudi state media There will be four new laws. That are soon to be finalized. These laws are very interesting And they are false. They are the personal status law the civil transaction the penal code of discretionary sanctions and the law of evidence. You might be wondering what does that mean. What are these laws. And look i love to. I mean i would love to do it so much. I mean it may be so happy to tell you. However i can't because muhammad bin salman has not actually disclosed what these laws are going to be He said oh. We're going to release them or they're going to trickle out over time. You know we can't do it all it wa- sent email. He'll talk to me. I mean we requested for comment but they don't usually get the probably going in their spam folder. Just like the queen's these national governments never get back to us. i couldn't imagine lie. I'm however let's see what prince months he said quote. The new laws represent a new wave of reforms that will increase the reliability of procedures and oversight mechanisms as cornerstones in cheating the principles of justice. Clarifying lines of accountability So yeah that's what they're supposed to do. It's it's trying to make more organi state. One of the twenty first century everyone. Everyone has laws nowadays. Why not saudi arabia. Everyone stealing it. Yes it's like a comedy but you know if they do they know they do they do it to. Yeah if they do it too late then you know everyone by that point. No one's gonna have laws anymore so you got keep up with the system. It's a fad right. Y- you can't can't do it last second does it matter anymore so anyways while the specifics of these laws are not yet known. Saudi media has said that they will be announced as i said that be released slowly throughout twenty twenty one a hover as i said. Saudi arabia does not have a Confined legal system. And as i'm bin salman set himself and as i mentioned earlier this is harmed will the most of it's difficult for them to do a lot of things when they don't have the right to In accordance to the law slave nothing to back them up if they do something that may be seen as culturally inappropriate on the point. These laws even if it is culturally inappropriate. It is still possible for them to do this stuff because well it's law fell. It doesn't matter if you don't like it. Yes delgada follow the law on it. So this bin salman talking dot me and he said this and quote in regards to the discrepancies in the court so we sat Discrepancies in court. Rulings have led to a lack of clarity in the rules governing the incidents and practices and has hurt many mostly woman. This will not be. This will not take place again once. These laws are promulgated pursuant to legislative laws and procedures. So there you go. We have these. We have this stable legal system. This is not going to happen as much and still a habit. It's not going to happen as much because you know there's people. These people have an ability to defend themselves now and so. Saudi government has emphasized that these reforms are catch up with the international standards of the twenty first century or no all medieval twelfth century kingdom anymore known in where not england with full century nana where saudi arabia where the updated pristine world country. The future we have the line city coming. If you guys remember that post the line a hundred mile long city in which in which a million people be able to live in everything they need will be within walking distance. I'd be a straight line. We have that we have diverse. We have to have tourism opening up. you know longer have to cover up. If your foreigner you could come to the country. I mean you still kinda do but a little bit less lied about that you don't have to. You don't have to worry about being imprisoned as much if you if you speak out against country and your foreigner because all these things all these laws are coming in encouraging tourism were have all these new infrastructure projects we are becoming a modern symbol of beauty. We are saudi arabia. And you know Laws regarding women to its side effect. Right yeah i yeah we have that stuff but look at the live. Look at the cities. We're building do you got tiktok. Give tiktok The saudi arabia. Not you personally. I do actually have to. Oh i don't just shows you were living under a rock that will i'm robin pit soman yet. I'm england over here. Still in the twelfth century he said. Yeah yeah exactly. It's and so what i'm trying to say is his modernist. These are modernization efforts to encourage people to come to the kingdom because saudi arabia isn't going to get him to does not have the most diverse of economies. So this likely likely as i said also has to do with diversify but as i said earlier. The country must relies on oil mostly oil. I don't think this is a surprise to anyone saudi arabia. It's in the middle east. It competes with iran all the time for these juicy oil experts at. We all know the three rules of geopolitics including power money. That third one. It's always oil. it's always oil. His oil is how the world economy runs and saudi arabia has a lot of in fact. Ninety percent of their export earnings are in the form of oil at eighty percent. Eighty seven percent of government. Government revenue is in oil sif mohammed. Bin salman is like well. Here's the i if we ever happened to run out of oil at is probably not great because you know we. We need to do something about that. So tourism is what he's going for mainly here So that is the whole point of this. He say by twenty thirty we will be the most beautiful progressive amazing country. the entire world will be caught up. Twenty-first-century standards how could we go wrong. Saudi arabia is going to be the most beautiful country. So that is why you guys should love us. In fact the spanish foreign ministry for example is quite happy. They praised the saudi government. Saying all these are the best reforms. I love you. You're amazing keep it up. Saudi akiyama bin salman and. I'm assuming that alone was enough to make to make some untangle in think oh that he tingled all over and now that the spanish foreign ministry is crazy. Me board could have asked for my life. Twenty thirty just looks closer and closer. Yeah of so there you go. I'm very interesting. We'll see if the reforms actually actually blossom into something real however in the meantime. Let's talk about detaining foreign spies because because this is very common spies are in every single country in the world every single country. You is it you know guys everywhere guys. They're everywhere from from the mountains of tabuchi to the to the force of papua new guinea. I'm sure there's many in the boundaries of djiboutian. Don't get me started. About the force of papua new guinea. Spies down there jason bourne at james bond. Just having invention back there. Yeah it's everywhere. The spies everywhere So we got new guinea new guinea djibouti and beijing. All equally likely places where they're cooking spies however sadly the for only the ladder is going to be mentioned in our in our story. Sorry for all archer beauty fans. I'll ever is happy. Beijing and i chinese australian reporter who's working. China has been formally arrested so this journalist she is has lovely name or image chang-lee chain lie lay and was detained. Six months ago by the chinese authorities wait. So if you're six months ago why are you talking about ching chang late now well as a good question because detainment is very distant from actually being arrested. Containment is up year. little bits. Your little bit suss okay. You're a little bit suspicious. But i can't just arrest you. I mean i don't want to. I don't want to ruin ties with australia. Spoke to tame it seems appropriate and so they detained her and then now on monday. They actually arrested her which is when officially she loses a lot. More rights than issue was detained. However the chinese government denies that So she was detained as she was arrested. That's actual stories that it became official today that she was arrested. And so how do they know that she was detained. Six months ago Well she worked for cgt. At which is the english state broadcaster in china It's like state media but morenz english instead of at the many chinese dialects. That's nice them. As fiber traveled to china. I'll have english speaking media exactly an she was contributing to that so beijing arrested her accusing her of supplying state secrets. The australian government whose embassy she would often visit at there's photos of her at all the parties at the australian embassy. I mean it was a real to go there. She wrote on the party. However this is very very bad she. She's clearly a trillion spy working for the state media in china until the chinese government said. I agree in rested her and well. Yeah that very sad in so. The australian government said that it had quote serious concerns about ching's detention regularly at senior levels including about her welfare and contentious detention ak. They're saying Is she okay. Are they hurting. Her are they. Feeding her Kitschy still come to the embassy for slam hardees. All these questions are raging through our head at the this is this is what's happening. All these equal equally equal inquiries here and so in response to chinese foreign minister wang wenbin said that the rights of ching lay were were being fully guaranteed. They're fine she's fine. She's being fed. She might she might not be illegal. The embassy alright we lower taxes. Battaglia don't have sovereignty over the embassy but like she had look at it if she's not throwing any bangers right now let's just say yeah but but she's fine i mean we're we're feeding her feeding her so she's fine and the reason this was a bigger deal as opposed to the reason that they actually knew that she was gone. Originally in detained is because she was on state media right on this channel on. Cgt an and all the sudden. She's the next day she has got she wasn't on. Tv sheet. no-one she her family called her. No one answered the phone and you actually went on the website. Cdt annan's her profile was gone So she just disappeared. And that's where all the special came up like. Wait a second. That's weird yes. She was detained and now they're saying well look she's fine right and she actually had two kids. They and she was detained when her kids were travelling to australia. At the start of at it was an august. So the lockdown was relatively. It was relatively in progress. Right code was a few months and at that point but her kids were in australia because school was cancelled in china. So they were there. And that's when that's when chinese struck and they took her because she knew she didn't have any family didn't have to watch the kids and they took her in. They detained her while the kids were overseas and sneaky sneaky and so These two journalists were working in beijing. there so there are actually two other journalists interesting that we're also working in beijing. They evacuated by the australian government So the so what happened. Is the chinese. Authorities came up to them and they said and they question them over security concerns it said. Are you a chinese spy. You're you're not. You're not happen to be supplying us state secrets to the australian government right right. You're not doing that. See you gone to the embassy and through stuff good. Shrimp cocktails lake view nam. Yeah exactly and and it happens. Chang got arrested and detained and these journalists went. Oh god we should probably get out of here and so they immediately ran to. The embassy had one last party and they aborted a beautiful plan and they went back to australia. Left after what had lay. Because you know when you're questioned by the chinese authorities and they actually arrest someone for doing that. You don't want to be next because you know more parties and so they they're gone and that was that so she's currently still being held in jail cell. There's a lot of disputes. There's obviously china in australia. Did not get along. A lot of people are saying that china is actually formally arrested her because Souring ties between the chinese and australian governments on their an all time low. There's a lot of naval naval and not not physical but a lot of naval projection of power power projection in the ocean. Just two guys standing on the bow. Their ship yelling at each other. Yeah puffing their chests Yet really trying to act tough. Yeah and that. That's kind of happy. China doesn't like that. Australia doesn't like that. Neither of them particularly like when each other are mead contradicting power and especially because australia has been teaming up with the philippine civic teaming up with taiwan teaming up a career david teaming up with japan to counter the expansion of the chinese influence wad and china. Day like i do not like that very much i. I don't understand why i don't do anything wrong. I am perfect. You should not be doing that. So come on. Come on this is aggressive. You don't need to make all these alliances but but but if you did let him have changed journalist so yeah you take that so very go while. She's playing state secrets to the australian government. I don't know there's proof because china's not really presented any evidence as to such kind of just detain her now arrested her and we'll see where that actually ends up leading all right but before we get started. Let me tell you about a free platform called anchor. So what is anchor will. as. I said it's free. And what can you do with this re platform. Will you can upload and edit your podcast from your computer or your phone and it will distribute it for you this entire app. So if you're not an expert in anchor or you don't know anything about podcasts. Then it's all fine because inker will do all of it for you anchor. We'll send it to the most famous places for podcasts. Such as spotify apple in many many more. And what's the best part. Well you can make money from your podcast. That's right money. You can have four listeners. Make millions of dollars. Inkers there for you. Anchor is the way of the future so if you are interested in using anchor and you are interested in using this platform as we are then please go to anchor. Fm to get started. Anchor dot fm. To get started thing. You need to make a podcast in one place. I recommend in sodas ian so anyways Interesting story however we got some more stories and that includes the parliament in ghana. Has this guy's see very poor story. The clips because parliament ghana has been dissolved. Due to covid. That's right a very very big deal right to solving. Parliaments is pretty crazy because ghana just held elections was if flooded dissolved in the flood water by the covert flood. Oh okay is this all. Find a code okay. A no comment It's the parliament was dissolved. And this again was not very good because they held elections and the problem was when you just hold elections. You've got to appoint ministers your minister of transportation minister of defense minister of foreign affairs. Kyle like All all we talk about four ministries all the time. If they don't have a foreign ministry who is supposed to whom is supposed to quote. Who am i supposed to say and quote and put a colon next two and then read the quote. I mean i. I can't do that have gone. It doesn't have a foreign minister. Podcast is would only be doomed. God i need four ministries mosit- germany guys know and love. Heiko maas okay. Yeah no comment. Shut up you said at the floods. There's a joke. It was a bit parliament. I don't get the joke. I'll explain it to you later. I'm kit and so. The parliament was dissolved and albeit bachmann. Who's the speaker of the parliament. He released a statement in which disclosed at six percent of the legislators seventeen out of two hundred seventy five people have been affected with cova. Furthermore over thirty percent of the staff in the parliament have been affected as well so a lot of people. I mean imagine that thirty percent of your of your government is infected with cova. That's not good. You don't want that it's actually. It's well so they will segawa said well this is just the caption for shutting down government of and there's been a lot of criticism for this but at the same time there's been a lot of agreement we don't want to continue to spread And so again. This is inconvenient for ghana because they're trying to appoint ministers in this very difficult now However ghana is up to seventy two thousand. Three hundred cases of the coronavirus. Oh they are just having fun out there. Yes rates lots of fun. Yeah i hope they keep it up all right so anyways keep it down why they want the case but down covert seriously. Okay that is. That's good save right all right so anyways we'll move on out that is to the danish government because the danish government has announced its intentions to build a thirty four billion dollar energy island and what is thirty. Four billion dollar energy island. What does that mean. What is that. Because that's not just like a an island of our energy drinks nothing now. Yeah that's what it is real. It was like book ticket. He was gonna jump in and just opened his mouth but no heart attack. It's not that guy so stop. Speaking of this island will be located eighty kilometers or fifty miles off the coast north lorcy and what are supposed to do is be a massive source of green energy. Yes green energy you. It will be surrounded by hundreds of wind turbines. All these turbines will hook up to this island and they'll funnel in and they're gonna keep spinning and spinning and just provide this energy islands with all the must've amazing power source in the world at. It's going to supply. Dad margaret's gonna supply norway and sweden and finland in the united states and russia in india. Everyone in the world will be supplied went. No but you guys. It's a pretty big project and it's thirty four billion dollars. It's actually the largest fun fact largest construction project in the history of denmark And it will actually be starting in twenty twenty six. So if you're hyped about it you're going to have to wait a little bit because it's not close to twenty six. Why they announced it now. I don't really know but Yeah and want built the hype. It's like a releasing a trailer for movie fires in high ends five-year hype and support. It is supposed to be a massive source of green energy But we'll see if that actually works. The danish government though is is not. They're taking a pretty large stake in the island because the government spoke That's what's expected right. They're taking a fifty one percent stake in it so just enough that they have more leverage over everyone else in the are going to give the other forty nine percent to the private sector so anyone who wants to invest if you wanna if you want game stop the The energy islands and let you go for it. But it's not for energy drinks as i've been told it's not for energy shrinks. Few guys learned anything from that segment. A however speaking of energy i'm south korea's also announcing a large project that will be finished by twenty thirty so Looks like we got a little bit more of a cure finish date not a start date and they announced this large project also saying that they will build the world's largest wind farm where forty three billion dollars so they're beating the danes by fair chunk of money few billion and it'll be done by twenty thirty and it will have the ability to store maximum of eight point. Two gigawatts in that guys is a lot. A lot of gigawatts might contain my energy. You can't you might be wondering well. Only aac gigawatts Please not that many. However if you're not familiar with what a gigawatt is it's a. It's it's a lot. in fact. In comparison the largest gigawatt farm right now is in the united kingdom and that farm can only hold one point one gigawatts which would make this approximately according to my calculations adding smacking. My keyboard thinks it sounds bet- cool sounds to keyboard but approximately it is seven point four five so i'm going to stop here. It's it's about seven times the size of the uk the uk power. Plant a. so you can. You can see how big that is. The largest thing in the world is only one point one and all of a sudden you have something that seven times the size. You could see how it's really begging. It's supposed to provide thousands of jobs and it's gonna supposedly going to be really good for which is a pretty big country population wise so we'll see how that goes to create good luck denmark. Help you guys enjoy your construction projects anyways. we're gonna move on now to the best story of all the stories besides a return library book. This is the best story in the entire world. And that is that the skinniest house. The students house and all of london is up for sale. And i did attach them pictures for ian to look at. Oh wow he did. It's the blue house in the middle and it's being it's being sold for one point. Three million the honest look through these pictures. I don't think i'll fill up the stairwell. It's pretty small med for us. Big boned people. Uh spigham people. I hit me up muscle. Sorry i'm like you you you slav. I just eat all drink. All the energy drinks in the world apparently. Yeah so it's being sold for one point three million dollars and guys looking at the size of this house that is a lotta money but is also like london. So it's kind of expected right. I'm looking at the pictures. Now would look this up house in london being sold for one point. Three million dollars skinniest house in london. Just look that up on google. You can see the pictures and what you'll see is that it's really skinny and it looks like it's really old and down. It's gross grossman. Actually it's been renovated. It looks really nice on the inside. It looks amazing. On the inside The person selling the house described it as quote small yacht or luxury yacht rather saying that. That's kind of what it feels like. It's you're like in a little cabin And little cabin in the middle of the city between two businesses. Yeah well this actually was. This was originally a business But it is. It looks pretty nice. I mean it's well furbish. It's only six feet wide In that in that is from like one side to the other side. So you're next to a walk in clinic so you get crushed. You can head over there. yeah i. I'm reading it now in a burger place saturday burger. So you're next burger place. It's really convenient so convenient spot to live and this is like the apparently this is the new thing Not not skinny little houses. But apparently there's a lot of concern about overcrowding overpopulation. Wants to live in the city centre and so houses like this hour desirable for some reason So i mean if you're interested i guess it has everything needed And it's actually five stories. There's a basement. It looks like there's only three but there's two stories under their basement so as pretty cool and it was originally a hat shops so yeah According to the realtor and i'll just quote them he said quote. It's quirky in. Charming and great for entertaining will appeal. The someone who feels there's more to life than two up two down. It started life as a hat shop was converted by fashion photographer. The ultimate designer house so guys as see this is just the top notch top model. London house figures are interested in moving to united kate. Debit have one point three million dollars on hand guys. This house right here seems pretty cool and you could say. I the skinniest house in london. Good for you good for you and yeah but if you're interested by the way A did fact return his library book. That was seventy two years over So just remember that too. If you're looking for a great story that was to podcasts or three count out. But i'm saying that's pretty cool shows how memorable your stories are pretty memorable and well anyways By the skinniest house at enjoy the rest of the stories. But i hope you also enjoyed the podcast because those are all the stories i have you today. I'll know if if if you didn't fact joy it make sure to subscribe and share it. The friend and it is there anything else they should plan on doing. The should leave a review. Oh yes lever view a big fat review talk about ian beautiful beautiful cavs and if you talk about that in the in the review section then. You're amazing. I'm however however as we said at the start we do have a patriot and we do have a discord. 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Low welcome this is sleep with me. PODCASTS puts you just sleep. We do with a bedtime sometimes story you need to do. Get embed turn out the lights and breasts play him to do the rest of what I'm going to attempt to do is create. Create a safe place where you could set aside whatever's keeping you awake whether it's at thoughts feelings you've physical physical feelings. ORF sensations emotions travel schedule changes anticipates anticipatory miss people that mispronounced announced of Anticipation of somebody mispronouncing it. Uh whatever's keeping awake at Lake to take your mind off that what am I do a Safely set aside here with you. Just don't I said safe place set aside. Maybe think of a seesaw. Uh which I don't know if a seesaw has ever come up and that's actually something that might be dated reference for some you. So maybe we'll talk about this because you know the things they talk about two intro together sound good see-saw sounds pretty good and maybe have me be able to make a metaphor for about with the podcast is but what I'm really going to do. is to have a nice safe place here. That's what I was saying before my brain see-saw away Ian Ian now trying to say we'll skip focus on the new listeners to your brain so I have a nice safe place here plenty of room. You could check it out from the outside outside and decide if you WANNA come in. If you WANNA stay out there you know I got awnings again gets to we could pull some chairs Out here or lounge and then what I'm GonNa do once you get settled or as you get settled semi voice across the deep dark night. Menus lulling soothing. Creaky dulcet tones. Oh so creaky. 'cause you might say scoots what about. What about Marmite Marmite Man That's what the current word is an. Oh that's a concern some places in the world today when I'm recording this now in your here name and I'd say don't were you know I'm here to keep you keep you talk you in a tight or right if you're concerned about your I stock. Marmite your brand will be fine it. You might just transfer ownership. It's not a big deal it's important it's not as they say it's not important to you or to. You might say well what tomorrow might say. Well we'll have to. We've talked about it in other episodes it's spread it's delicious savory anyway this because they would say well. I don't know if that's a good metaphor for the bad caz semi Ip. It is because it's a big gooey. It's you see. It's an accord taste So yeah where was Oh so many semi voice across Dietrich along soothing. Creaky dulcet tones. Pointless meanders superfluous tangents in. Here's the thing if you're new really here to keep you company as you fall asleep sleep to take your mind off of stuff as you drift off So if your new a couple of other things to no one spot guest is pretty nonsensical a little bit goofy in. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense so kind of consume it with an in his heart. When you say what is this marmite stuff you WanNa give me? which wants you try it? It's something we love or it's a big part of our in. We want you to okay. Well try it with an open mind. Not like if he gets to to somebody's house and they said well we only eat Mar.. Might in this home you say do would you like for breakfast is our guest. Well what do you who we have and I have a having in a lake this well. No we only marmite ear that you would have a different Probably Outlook You still try to be a good guest and consume it may create some internal feelings about the marmite instead of being like. Hey why don't you sit down and try some of this Plenty plenty of other options though to see how it goes in you could even say well let me know what flavor notes she taste or what is the smell. What is some mouths feel? How is it on the toast? How'd you blake? You're toast That's only partially. How do you want me to do do? Do you want to send spread You know a six spread so kind to consume it like that liquor eating something that you're open to on toast awesome. What does this here? Is this a creaky Dole. Sit in it say. Oh yeah that is it's creepy dulcet. Steeped in pointless meanders always with the little current little black currant in there too. Oh boy said it is. It's like It yeah it has a little a bit. Oh Mommy and I will that Samara might actually. That does then. NASDAQ NATTA pointless meanders. That's this does a dusted it with pointless. Meanders hinders so kind of consume it with a like a loose open mind you know like not open mind like well let me see if I liked us you say well what is awesome even neck like me and then you could say well. What if we had? VEGEMITE marmite tasting. And you to scoot. Did you like saying those words. Almost as much as Cisse If I can find way you see oh yeah well we're GONNA do it. We're not we're not gonNA taste anything on the sea so were spread anything and the see saw. Know what we're GONNA do is we're going to have a secret tasting where you can't see the results so everyone is going going to taste Everyone's GonNa get to secret jars in. They'll be marked in a way that only I will know maybe net a You will have a D- on the bottom in one will have is Q.. On the bottom we'll say and you taste from each jar on your toast and then you drop it on. One side of the see-saw or the other seesaw was like. Is this thing. Kids used to play at an which definitely someone that didn't have kids invented it or they said. Look an aunt or an uncle who had kids over one day. They weren't there and they didn't really in the kids have ah antion key. What are we gonNA do today at your house since be quiet said an option? Oh we want to do something fun though. That sounds boring okay. Well why don't you go outside. Okay what are we going to do after do you have anything to do. It's outside it's like it's great out there okay. Okay and then they come back what we're bored what we do have to do out there. You see okay if if I close the door where you keep coming in and Oh yeah. That's what we do. Kids were were repair. You know. We're we're we're looking. I am Direction yet or something you know something that adults do okay. I'll tell you what I get bored out there in just cut some wood so bounce a piece of board on the wood and then each you could sit on each side and you try to balance Okay okay it sounds great. You'RE GONNA come with us. We gotta do the the Board of him and I nailed aboard into the HVAC. Oh Wow this is so much fun. That's how that's like a hasn't it hasn't been an APP that hasn't been factual is yet but that's from my book. A history of seesaw for it all started hard to Pesky kids. And you know that's like we've gingerbread press is whatever my non fiction nonfiction imprints GONNA be. But so we'll have that I'm art. We'll have one side you push the thing in in a way for the MARMITE and one sad for the vegemite h and then we'll see which one comes out ahead wo say talking about disappeared. Kitchen really need to listen to. If you're new glad you're still here. Sure we lost some people to hear but that's maybe fell asleep. That's a good thing so I'm here to take your mind off so keep you company. Structurally actually what to expect. If your new show starts off with business this cool way keep it free for everybody instead of behind. A paywall urgency engaged listener's support for this show or the sponsors. Then there's the intro which we're almost through now. It is explaining the structure of a little bit late. The interest kind of like your wind down if you so choose to use there are listeners. Such as skip ad to fifteen or twenty minutes. And then listen so you could to figure out your preference but it's just me helping lead you into bed time slowly instead of saying. Hey you know you you should be asleep by now. No I'm here to walk at your side as you drift off Ian. Also kind of over explained the podcasts and not can ever get to the point does. That's that's my job and supposed to make you think like Is that really Ha. You pry Google maybe said no this now how see-saws invented landed. It was the sauber other. Says it's okay. Well that's an alternate you know that's some that is it's a regional. Final thing. Down here was called Ba. Quiet kitchen bounce on the log thing would would thing with WHO's became known as a see see saw. This was just maybe like other things to just go spontaneously invented in multiple places at the same time because it is just like a piece of board and his something you know the scales had already been around for a while I'm presuming. It'll be pretty interesting if it happened the other way like somewhere long long ago they invented the the the Nanako said well. What are we going to do to keep these kids entertained to their parents? Get back and get him out of her hair. Date night I wish ever invented this thing would so and then they I sit. They made the seesaw and then the kids were bouncing added or whatever having fun then like maybe they lived by road in some mother. Farmer came by with a bunch of bushels something and said you know I'm so tired of The Bushels never account for the density the cord I have the densest corn in the Would over the quad state region. At what are the kids doing Those are my brother's kids. Oh really look sector Do those two way about the same. I don't know why do you ask well. I just wonder if we could get rid of the soul idea of just selling bushels of corn because my corns denser therefore it's heavier has more mass in more more flavor. I feel like it should be compensated by weight and not by volume. Okay tell me more would for us. That that is a SCA- this way my corn instead of just Bush schelling it. What with my would player? Is that what you're calling because that's the worst name ever the kids. Keep saying see-saw see-saw on air. I recall the scale okay. Great so that was how the scale was invented after this do not that. Long after the see-saw okay. So I tend to go off topic because that's one thing. Structurally okay. So the Intros were I go off topic I I tried to explain what the podcast is. Then there's a story tonight it'll be a visit For my good friend Ray recap and some trips we took eh eh eh. A while ago but so we'll have that then we'll have zank using good night's There's business between the intro in the story. So that's the structure show. It's a podcast you really don't need to listen to. It's more here to help you as you fall asleep and keep you company we gotta pay too much attention because she say who scoots talking about last night he haw No Oh I think me me me me Ma. Maybe I don't know maybe he was just making lake. One of those sounds Maybe Tree Pau was that that was Ed treebeard child Tree Pau. I think you're right. That's who he was talking about Tree Pau Hughes trying to write it is To actually the dog was treebeard dog but it was a tree or a Bush or something. Yeah maybe so. Hopefully that's your conver Knbr conversation tomorrow but there's also pressure to fall asleep. I'M GONNA be here for about an hour so if can't sleep I'm here to the very end in. Here's the thing I make this show because I believe if you deserve a good night's sleep I wanNA help I've been here in the deep dark knight ASSOC- how goes most listener. Say took two or three tries before got you so the show in realize need to listen. It didn't make a whole lot of sense but it Kinda does within it doesn't in enjoy it but it doesn't you know uh I can't make any sense of ahead Just like my love of Marmite vegemite and see saws Said you know someone never never not yet till tomorrow hopefully So I'm glad you're here. It worked very hard a urine. Strive because they really want to help you fall asleep. I appreciate you coming by. And here's a couple of as we keep this show free for everybody thanks he. I don't know if you've been looking at your goals. 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Oh free get quipped dot com slash sleep that's G. E. T. Q. U. IP DOT COM. Slash sleep right. Mr Bard can't quite get and that's the good habits company. Thanks Buddy This is a series of sal episode. Right Oh you probably knew by the title of the show where he turned the show over my neighbor Ray who he. He's you know my neighbor. My friend my travelling companion. Seen Him if seen him referred to online is an internal cheerleader. He really is the most well. Just a person I've ever met to a kind of wish ray was voice may head twenty four seven or I just lived in raise it. Because he's just a really great guy you know. He's scantily Ed belief in abundance in gratitude empathy compassion. He's got all those things self-care he cares about. He is so much self-care he cares. Here's for other people It's like one of those. Great Paradox is He Ray and I we like to go to theme parks together and Array likes to do these seamark recap episodes in this is a collection. This'll be a series of three episodes. This is the second episode. Yeah Yeah but our first part of the trip where I was working in array was going to seem barks. Can't work going to embarks part time So yeah I guess without further do. I'm it just turned over to my neighbor. Ray Perkins most maybe the most one of the more well adjusted people people in the world but it would definitely most well just a person I know Lover Azeem Parks a lover of life in kindness Ray Perkins Hello. Hello hello hello everybody so good to be back in you. Ease a scooter. Thanks pod boy thank you for having me on and yes we're here. I'm here talking now for you. It's been a little while for me. This is one of the few times like back in the studio right away. I mean within a week period. I think last time it was here in the studio was I don't know a few day of like about five five days ago. I guess Shafran Ray was in here in die recorded this show and So that was a third day. Third Besim Besim part of the trip. Now this is going to be our first evening and day and we're doing amount of woulda just because it's a way waste if I We saw what. Oh well I do the one. That was the freshest Right after we got back from the trip into then it's been a few days you know. Scooter has to record as the show is Believe in the world does not revolve around Ray But I already knew that but you know sometimes it does feel like I wish it did and then I'd say well that'd be pretty exhausting atlas luxury tired when I see atlas and this one will be a treat. There's even a treat in the name of the title of the POC and if you don't live in California you may have never heard of this place if you do. You probably have or if you big theme park fan any probably have or if you like scooter. The theme park was a secondary thing for him in there was much more important important part of his journey. Because he's a big fan of one thing. Well extra two things I actually But so if you not from California you let me know if you heard this place. You don't have to nothing wrong with it but we went to Knott's berry farm which you CEOS at a farm. Well no it's a it's a theme park But what I thought I'd do is a read the some of the things from wikipedia. Because I don't really know the history even your friend friend Ray. So let's Kia rid the so. knotsberry farm is fifty seven acres In Buena Park California currently owned by Cedar Fair which owns the Cedar Park in Ohio. Oh wow in two thousand seventeen. It was the tenth most visited theme park in North America. Erica in its most visited theme park in the seat affair chain ray would not have believed that but it has six million people a year. Wow that is quite busy. I mean it was busy when we were there but not overly busy forty rides Employs ten thousand isn't people according to Wikipedia in. Let's see Oh. This is a theme park where most box amusement Musa impacts. Ray is never thought about things in those terms. is the origins of theme parks. Go back to the nineteen twenty. Oh this one of this theme Doc Watson Nat and his family was selling berry products route thirty nine in California by nineteen forty eight Chevrolet the shops and other attractions. They had built on the property because they had visitors including a replica. Casper town a town where people formally lift but in which goes by other names but screwed has taught me a big farm in the sky town. The Banat Lake to one school to did. The site continued. Its transformation to a modern amusement park over the next two decades in amuse amuse admission charge was added added in nineteen sixty eight. The theme park was sold to see defense. Nineteen Ninety S in the food business was sold to the SMUCKER company company. Okay so it sits on whether thing was now he is the big one which will talk about briefly in nineteen thirty four knots. What's began selling fried chicken? Dinners in a tea room and property lake old Miss Mrs Nats Chicken Dinner Restaurant. He he ended. The Dennis soon became major draw so they built other shops and attractions to entertain visitors. While waiting for a c two then they did the big a big farm into town and that became the beginnings of a present day theme park In in the nineteen fifties Walter night it became an amusement park of some along county fair. Originally it was twenty five cents to get into the park Some of the rides rides from the sixties is still there and Let's see what other things here there. is it hasn't always had a great history the spark Let's see Sky Tau. We'll see we'll talk about the ride. See Let's see one In the nineties they had Only nineteen eighty C had metric competition in southern California pox. Having a new land. Oh they had dyn O to lodge attractions. I don't know if these here. Ah the Kingdom of the dinosaurs in the rapids ride which is still there. We did not go on the ride. I'll tell you And then Oh yes. This is disappointing. There's one that I wanted to go on That was that open. That was from a world's fair. Yeah I'll tell you about it here because I don't know if I'll be able to read about mystery lodge was opened in one thousand nine hundred ninety four. It was had Special Effects. It was rumored to be part. was supposed to be a Disney in Disneyworld scandal. -FORNIA CA Disney's Canada pavilion and Apricot. It recreates US quite some a night in Alert Bay in then guests move in and I don't know I didn't get to go wanted to just sound. Some mysterious mystery lodge will always be a mystery to me in the nineteen nineties. They acquired a Oh they also have Boina Park Hotel. which now is that SPE reform hotel? Oh no this one was brought up to ranch since standards and then became Radison Ohio resort hotel was renamed Knott's Berry Farm Resort Hotel in dance. Where we we did Sleep Philippe but Let's see what else we have they were Addition of Oh this ride. I didn't see this right. He Post close to that. It was a water ride ended in the log ride. That was another right. We did not. You're so ray will be going back. Act Tonight's Berry Farm. I'll tell you that much to go in the mystery log lodge in the Timber Mountain log ride. That had very long line fine. Let's see so time line. I think that was the main thing I just wanted to look up the history you know. They have annual events to have one. That's very famous You know for for the trick or treating season in this a lot here in Wikipedia so some sure skurdal were will link to this article Let me tell you a little bit about WHOA how wives? This is the first episode you listening to even though this this is a series. It's not a big deal. You could listen to this when it's fine racist racist. Glad to be here in the as always say but so so scooter Had to go down to Los Angeles area to work In in his daughter was on summer break so he said Oh boy in the plan. You know scooter said well looks like well Dr Ray. What do you going along in a look? He said I saw on Costco. That The hand this past only at Costco believe in that Maybe abusive five scooter. It knows before they pass In you could use to pass for most Los Angeles area attractions and not all in kind of unlimited way. Also you could go to some theme parks for day or amusement parks. I guess and again I think this was two hundred and twenty five dollars Alice with taxes. So when you look at how we use it we was very a what is it called cost effective. Also it took me made an adventure because we said okay. We'll now we have to pass. Is We might as well just go instead of saying well. How much does it cost to go talk? Well is an well you know. I don't know made it more fun in so I don't know how many of you How many of you are familiar with California? So I was just give you a little brief thing so we live in the bay area which is In would would they call northern California essentially. It's kind of in central coastal California. But they call it northern California and Los Angeles List would be considered southern California though. You Have San Diego south of Los Angeles and Knott's Berry farm is in a place called Orange County which is like about in. That's what Disneyland also is. We did not go anywhere near Disneyland. which was a little tough out and ray but I said I I'll remain remain distracted by this nuts bay reform and so we Still you dry if you drive the AC believe all told it's about three hundred sixty miles driving so pretty long drive and then you do have traffic and you to stop so. We laughed at eight in the morning joining in a believe we took one or two breaks nothing too long. Maybe we only took one break. Now that I'm thinking about it and maybe two and then a you know a little five minute break For a restroom break lunch break in a restroom break break But we usually plan on. If you're going all Angeles six six hours maybe seven hours and if you're going at once county it takes seven eight hours in So so plan on the whole day in Louis C.. So we left eight thirty nine thirty ten thirty eleven thirty twelve thirty one thirty two thirty three thirty four thirty with eight hours about a with stops in traffic So we so we got down down there in new scooter had made the arrangements. Now Scoot ahead arranged the whole trip because he was working and so he can ahead of it was just primary mission for the trip in actually scooters been come very adaptable even with the plane because he said originally planned a little bog and spat is that was in that area area near Knott's Berry farm because he said he ran the numbers and with parking and all those things it was it was a good deal. Even though knotsberry farm has their own hotel which will get to a new Sousa chain with a name brand name chain not a high handed. You know nothing fancy and then scored a sit. Well he's SA- said. Let me just check the ratings. I don't know he said I don't know what possessed me to dude. I thought we were all set in the looked on the ratings for where we are supposed to stay in. Usually school won't take those too seriously because he gets his own ratings every every day and a daily basis from people who are the podcast So he kind of has his own filter but he said ray these ratings and Nag. Good like usually you'll have one or two do what he goes this consistent issues at two so tell a motel So we'RE GONNA have to change it up. And he said well he checked prices again in with parking. We stayed at the Nats Berry Farm Hotel and now a couple of things. You need to know one. It's not a themed hotel So don't go the expecting like Disney type seaming thing but it's very conveniently located to make sure when you making a reservation. Scudo told me this. Get to find out if you're paying for parking and hats Because if you WANNA and make sure you understand that in it's in the contract or not because Scooter said it was a little bit of fun to see but he knew what he was doing. Because when you park the hotel you could walk to the park to seem pock So we got in there. A little bit of around dinnertime in. We had made a reservation to eat at Mrs Nats Chicken Dinner Restaurant And eventually we went over there and it's a very busy place that he think. If you didn't have a reservation it was like an hour to an hour and a half waiting now inside the restaurant I think they probably will balancing out to staffing. They had because the restaurant restaurant was now packed but the waiting for it was in. This is something you know. Screwed is a big fried chicken fan. I may be his favorite food. Oh you know pizza being up there so this is something. He's wanted to do for a very long time and so he was very excited. Did now there is a protein that will tell you late. If you can't eat at the restaurant don't worry but it's probably worth two for the experience and it's kind of Capri fixed menu a little bit too so you the other things other than fried chicken that you can eat the but the primary thing is Super Fried Chicken dinner. Which is why we were going? There ended to be honest. You know screwed was paying so I don't even know the pricing but I think it was like a reasonably reasonably priced You know not super cheap and not unreasonably priced and what you get is So let's just say get the the chicken dinner which I think comes with like four pieces of chicken. I believe Sirri before you get to that. You know you sit down you order you drink drink. Drink comes with the dinner and but you know most of us would drinking soda In Oh they do have a voice in Barry Point Chef for the kids because Knott's berry farms famous words boys and Berries Episode Zanu. Or so then you get you get these biscuits which delicious then you get a chicken soup which makes sense because they served so much chicken you know make some maximize. They said the chicken but it was a creamy chicken. Super very good but again is see. Well then you get a salad too. Uh so like maybe you know I mean. I guess they're going full bore but I'd say I don't know if the soups in assess city you you know maybe make it a super sale you know raise OFA maximizing you know the guests experience but who said it was a little bit much. It left some pressure on us. Then you also get another side. I think other to- yeah you get a vegetable like corn or. I don't know what the other vegetable was. Maybe like a cabbage. Shed type of law is then you get your chicken. I also think you get mashed potatoes status in gravy. Even if you with your food you do school to says in. Scooter said the fried chicken was like A. Ah Excellent like a nine out of ten you know ten out of ten being unachievable. Almost you know his only issue was because it was a traditional restaurant they didn't have vigny like a Louisiana style. Hot Sauce ended. Scooter likes to Kinda FLAVA. His fried chicken but you know he. He was fine to have purified experience. And then you get your dessert which is a famous? You can have apple pie boys and Berry Pie boys and Bayrischer Arusha bits or a of vanilla ice cream may be one of the option that raise not thinking of Screwed ahead boys and Barry Piol mode which was very good He said the pie was a warm enough. For the Alamo and experience but he's not that that was his first boys and Berry Pie and on the Pie. I guess it will return to. The Pie wasn't a chicken scooter. Said was nearly transcendence and the Pie. He said was good but You know you're in a area where you tough competition with like. Marie calendar's since things like that. It's avid so we had dinner. It was good it was very good. There was a leftovers You know because not everybody was able to eat all all the chicken again. Ray does not remember you could have you know you have some selection. And you're like a drumstick thing you they think they have a couple options Sion's school he's in the practice of. He wants like a half chicken because he likes to have the size of breasts The wing into the drumstick for full fried chicken experience and a belief. That's what he got. School also experiences first Nashville Fried Chicken We had pod x and he said that it was a wonderful experience and he got to have it with some lovely lovely people but so so okay so that's So that was dinner now. He is where La couple more things than I sing about. Old School converted hotels which was with at this Knots Berry farm was is that they still have a sauna and a steam room so we actually the sauna was not heated. Up as a steam room was sa- phenomenal holy cow. You friend Ray Scooter. His daughter. We had a steam. You wouldn't believe you know a bathing suit. We assu bathing suit wearing. Because it's a what do you call that a by the lake. Everybody's welcome thing. So but it was such assists. Oh boy would esteem so that was nice. You know after we had eaten the feast and took a walk and we only had a one day pass so it was a little bit distracting. You know hearing the park noises and stuff In new not being able to go to pock but then we know we. We called it an evening and relaxed read books and in those such things in inscrutable. He you know he has dyslexia. So sometimes they can cause issues. SOLIC- had a lot of work to do so he was also distracted with Vance so in the morning I planning was a little bit off because scoot ahead Pie. Boys and Barry Repack for breakfast In his coffee and he was working he had got up and started working in but he was under the impression. The park opened at ten ten thirty. That was six flags. Escude ahead of transpose. To those times so we were a little late getting off to the park but it really didn't make that much of a difference difference. Now your friend Ray says always be at the park when it opens right. Yeah it'd be the half hour before it opens you know but these ones that you know it was more of in in new experience And I didn't want to take over. Also the park opens to pass holders early. I don't know how that works is so now thinking about it will probably would have been better to get to around nine thirty to the gates of the park but we did not get there until the little bit after ten and then we had a little bit of issue figuring out or tickets then we got into the puck and you know the. The park is It's a theme park. It's it's It's highly seemed in some places in not a themed and others. I guess I would say it would not as quality themed end Let's see so race looking up. I'm just looking up a map and things and the Internet here. Okay for Andrey who wanted to get to highest quality really image. She could which I did find one holy moly. I did not have a map like this so we walked over the POC we got in the and we went to the left now to the left is like the most highly themed area of the park which is called cast. But it's called the big fom The Big Farm Town Casper Ville End. It is very greatly seemed in. They do have. I walk around at least in the summertime at this time. They have interactive carriages. Like so people working at this is like the big from old west at Old West town will call it end so highly seemed in highly immersive but we were kind of trying to to do all the highlights to the park so we didn't really get to spend a lot of time that other than walking through. It's also screwed ahead like a hard time. He said I I mean like a hot out he said okay. Go to leave exactly this time because I have calls for work and things and it was a good it was it. June gloom down. He so that was nice because it wasn't super sunny. So when you in the old West now now the first ride the in even the Internet it said this one has the most alliance ago on at first but we will see. This was a bit of a setback. Also again ray just like in other episodes episode is operating from Rolling Place. So you know. I needed a call from Carol to whack to set me correct. I was operating eating into Disney mode of like get to the park early. Go on as many rights as you can and then relax the rest of the day you know. Dan might work is some Disney parks and some universal pox. These boxes of differences. So you have to have a different plan against the plan would still be get there early. But don't get there early with the expectation you're going to go on the water rides in row when it first opens beret needed to be humbled oldest. So were you in again. Escort a little. Bit Of flack for this. Because we didn't get in at ten so we went to the I ride which was kind of the most famous ride and it's called Big Farm Rider. Big I'm Reid is called and Or big farmer ride it's Like Casper like also could be called Casper writer and it's a wooden roller coast. And so we got there in. The line was long end so we were. We were in line for about an hour. I would say again. That wasn't really aligned posted But this is so this one was like oh boy. We're losing time here waiting in line But was this worth to wait. Holy cow was this. The this was the second most one ride we went on this whole trip And it was just we fun like we were laughing swoop squealing Ling. I would've loved to go on this ride a few more times but it did have long line but holy cow was hit a good ride. It was just so much fun and it doesn't you know it's not too extreme the but oh it was just really fun An exciting into gave you the stomach thing in other parts of your body feel like it was just. It was a good ride and then we got off of the hat and we walked. We did walk through the scarce but town and then we went We pass the mystery lodge which again was closed during our trip we saw bigfoot foot rapids and that one was We said WELL WE DON'T WANNA get wet may be laid is then we went win. An ride called Pony Express and this is a roller coaster. Will you sit out. It's like a combination of a roller coaster and a carousel. You sit sit on a pony like a little lake. You might be laughing but I'm not kidding. You sit on a pony. It's you know a plastic pony a wouldn't pony and it just goes around and it's like A. It's a fun ride. I wouldn't say it's an extreme ride but it's you know I've never gone on a roller coaster. What I'm sitting on a pony before in also gives you an unique of you and it went off so so it was fun especially the start of it because you said I'm writing a pony. All boy also you know we were pretending we're delivering the mail at a very high rate of speed speed so that was fun and we went on that and that when the line was not long at all in now you friend Ray may have. We're going to have to look at my notes here. Okay my okay so the next ride was one of the collapse all boy. I wish brought a notebook for this ride is it was very much looking forward to this ride in so was I and we also had some mistaken impressions of it but this ride ride was called to Calico mine ride and you know I. I think we took a break. Because even though we didn't do any very much We still needed did a break after that. But so the next thing we did was we went Look I think the map. I'm looking at his out of date. which is is interesting? So I'll have to look new map here. But the next thing we went to was a Calico mine ride and this one is topnotch the seeming of the outside of the ride. It looks like it's a mountain later at night it gets lit up in a way. That's very exciting. And it's a family friendly ride. You all get in a little train. There's nothing I mean it. It is not one hundred percent family friendly because it's very much like pirates of the Caribbean but in a train and it seems it seemed around mining would say it's almost like a copy but it's a little bit different French in stranger which is nice and I don't think this is an actual like You know one to one what it's really like being around minus but holy holy these miners. Interestingly you go on the CALICO mine ride you say well. Maybe you should go to mining because it's it but so so you get in a little Choo Choo train and you're sitting on a bench in Sir. No Is Not like a coast at all. Also there's a lot of manufactured waterfalls and rivers while you're waiting in line which scoot of loved screwed loves manufactured rock work Also like you said the way they laid it up in night in different colors this interesting and then you go through the inside of the right. It's slow it has like one or two parts where he picking up speed in its avodados audio animatronic minus. But there's like this great room that you go through. I don't know what they call it. They might call it the great room and they can do a reveal one time you get a glance of it. It's this giant room like probably twenty two and twenty stories high. Like like the inside of the mine in everybody's working in there so you get a glance. One time he was at all for that huge room said even real. And then you can go to see mine is saying this in this a little bit like pirates. Where the goofing around the rides a little bit longer so then you go and you see the great great room a few more times than this a little bit of a story Arc And then you get to the to get out of the mine but really top quality ride when we got off of that we looked at going on the my a log ride but holy moly was sat along La. I mean the log ride ride line which is now and so I guess if we were doing it again we would do something different. So then we went on What's it called sky cab in which is very old ride? I think from the seventies and you just get into like a round thing and you go when you have a great view no no thrills except a going up and the person said that it has a wonderful view of the you'll Disney fireworks if you go onto the night at the right time and that was very very relaxing. I mean holy. MOLY ray liked to that because we were just kinda chilled out and Yeah so we liked that ride. You got a good view. It was felled. Old School also screwed us. It reminds him of rollercoaster tycoon. Because you get to build that ride. Aladdin rollercoaster tycoon. Coon okay so just looking at a more my. I'm trying to find a more modern version of the map here. Okay it's your friend Ray. He he is a switch over the nats APP because say was Every other map I found it just didn't it didn't work for me okay. So we went in the sky ride now screwed us. A little one was ready to test out some thrills and this spot of the park. Oh they call this bottom park the boardwalk and you raise not here to like Criticize everything but I would say again. I said this and the other thing if you're going to save money and teaming don't bother teaming something when you're GonNa do a boardwalk seem don't do ooh boardwalk made of plastic with you signs that say boardwalk. BBQ would have An Oh we have. Some surfboard would see things You know either. Make the whole Bach like the Casper town or do a little bit. Spend a little bit more money on your seeming. I'm sorry rages founded Asia which wasn't happy with the theme and you just have it be amusement parks and in that a theme theme park. I don't know But so we went on their ride in the younger ones. Scoot scoot a daughter. She was ready to try out some thrill so we looked at going on and one of the very thrilling ones Accelerator but only had one car I think running because the way it works in we we we were like well. I guess we weren't in this mode of like well. Let's just give an hour like we still thought we'd be going on a lot rides or something and so we may be later then. We went on like a mouse. Like a what do you call those Lake The old school coast to twenty-eight what's cool coast rider and this must be a ride. They moved there something. Because other maps that has a different ride But just that was old school. Whatever they called it a little M- I little Friendy Pu Costa Little will be fun. nothing too extreme and net that bad of a wait now right across from there was another coaster that look like a do UC wipeout. It was called surfing themed and we said we said. Do you really want to go on this one. This looks like it's gotTa loop de loops and things and she said Oh boy. I'm ready. I'm ready to get you know. Go on one of these big big kid. Coast She's not a kid anymore so she said she didn't say that Race putting words in your mouth but so we went on that one wipe out now. The line was a really well. Run the workers. They were very friendly. I waited about forty minutes or so and that was a very fund ride Very very fun and so we went on that one. We like Let me see my notes the hang time. Oh that's late. I think calibrated so we went on the sky. Co that's coast rider hank time is that what it what I just said twenty seven and so we went on hang time off the hang time was very chill and Turquoise my notes say and so that was good ride we had fun and then we went out we got offer there and we walked by some things. And then we went on and Indoor ride which again was like one of these three D. ride soon cooled voyage to the Orient Reef and very very much like the superhero ride or like puzzle. eight-year toy story. You go on you get a little squirt gun and you put on your three D go ask assists one was under the sea. It was pretty fun. It had some actual effects but most of it was screen effects but It was done in the unique equal way and it was pretty cool ahead like a steam punk theme which gase getting see. It goes across Sebok's a little bit in all in all it was a fun ride. Then we went on the old school bump Ika. Because when you're with someone that's an ad sixteen you know they love to drive So we went on the bumper cars which was fun and we all adult laugh at that and also school was just so people know. School wasn't drinking taking soda at this point So you say well how. Many sodas did screwed well. He knew he was going to be on. TV later this week so he was not having any Soda Uh because he was trying to look his best he says soda doesn't help them look as best So we went to that one overhead. Good Good Beach Mood. Music was at after voyage. Au just the area had good beach. Move Move Music Then we walked over to to a part of the park after the bumper cars Called Fiesta village. I think checks the my the log ride line against very long. Oh on the way to the village soon as we went on Supreme Shout to school in. That's that's a tower right now fast. Elevator ride and scooter said who loved arrived. So did his daughter. Great View went up and down as a lot of laughing. They enjoyed that. Then we had lunch which we did have some Mexican food which you no? You don't WanNa theme park in Southern California you feel less strange you not in California and you're ordering that kind of food you're going to be. It's it's just we have a lake a lot better quality I guess is what I'm saying It seem park in southern California. Say well this might be a good bit but it was not it was only okay. The food we had is then we went on another coast. It was a little bit of a line called the Jaguar which was school because it was inside a temple so head a little bit of seeming. It was a fun. Little Coast Let's just see what we could find out about it Edano this now really anything about it. Here it's a minimum height. Forty eight inch is in all in all it was fun. It was fun it but it was in mind blowing. Anything is then we went on a ride called was next one called silver silver lots silver racer. Something which I guess was still in the same section of the park was f fourteen. Now that's a balloon race ray. Hey what about thirteen thirteen game and looking Ray. That's the Grand Sierra. Oh we do. I wish we would go on on the Railroad L. Road a CALICO railroad. Also they have a sage coach ride but anyway we went on another ride a rollercoaster called Blake Silva something and that one I don't know why can't find it but it was a scooted Anada like it. He said it was a a little too extreme for his tastes in. He's he said it gave you know gave him the dizzy. Something in policy was worried. We're Silva something but Everyone else who loves the ride I it was. It was a good ride. I thought we went on one more. Ride here maybe. We went on that one at nighttime I guess so next dome when we went on night time yes so then scored heavily for work after after their rights so screw to win worked and then we had another plan which was to go to the water park but it wasn't warm so this is a long kind of debate to take a break to go to the water park. Will School to worked ended ended up his scooter. Worked in then So we ended up taking a break and then we all went to the waterpark. And it took us forever to find out how to get in there. Because they have zone waterpark which is a separate entrance entrance but without tickets we could go on both he and this was mostly guided by the young woman? WHO said Yeah? Let's do this. Why wouldn't you and we will like well? It's not a ninety Andy degrees you know who how we GONNA go on. These rights will be cold and she said you will. You'll be fine. It'll be fun so she had to Kinda cheerily. Elite descended doing it and we were full of Dow to which now I'm a little bit embarrassed about But we went and changed and Went over there and it was only going to be open for a few more hours. So maybe an hour to and because it wasn't sunny and it was kind of like like seventy seventy seventy five degrees. There was no one there in et really worked in our favor because we were able to do every single ride more or less we went on a a family to bride where you all sit in a big tube together would ever raft We went on like those things where you sit on. You lie down and you all race each other down a sled race leads then. We went on a tubing ride ahead. mazing thing then we win these I guess they call him like it's a water slide but where you stand in something and then you just go out of it with a shoot in. Scooter started to talk about this idea of like The rides have so many contraptions in like how much avantage Lake You wondering like this camp is simply he says. Ray this is asleep advocates. Put so you those who have so fun though. Holy Moly really. I mean. I thought you couldn't do anything. New Seem box and said crushing Russia. But these were very fun and because there was no line we able to go on a bunch of times oh speed tube says what. Scooter called them. Not on a to be on you sliding on your bottom is then. We went on Those three more to brides two of which all three of them into You're on a tube in tube in your inner tube and those who are called cyclone to a Nado institute I phone and we went on all three of those so severe refined and then we went over chill so that was like Whoa then. There was the wave pool. Only a little one went in next. We're like we're GONNA swim. which she kinda disc- discuss about? Then we went onto the last section of the park which we went on a few more to brides in a few more fast slides and again Dan. This was only way to do it to be honest because if we would have to wait in line for any of these rides it would have been ray would have been a tough customer Then we Everyone we had to split up because everyone had changed But scooted not because he went from working it to the the scene PA to the Waterpark so he had to change clothes with him so the school went in God. This was an expert tip. If you if you don't have reservations for Mrs Nats Chicken Dinner. They do have a takeout. TAKEOUT does come with a meal. Doesn't come with all the pieces but it does come with potatoes biscuits in a vegetable along with two or three pieces of chicken a four in so while we were changing. Scooter had liquor launch dinner. The Anna here belief eight three or four pieces chicken and biscuits and all that and I said well. We'll see how that does was. was he a television and he said well Ray just makes me feel good is is delicious chicken and then that ended up being scoot Astana and then later we'll also eight there for dinner not scooter and then we also bought a pie so that we could have pie for dessert in and for breakfast the next day then we went back to the pox. Let's see what we rode at the park. let's see two other slides chick skin it teams side wind though so we just went on a few rides when we went back because it was pretty busy. It was getting late So we went on a ride team Sidewinder which was kind of role a spinning ride. which was it was fun? It was a fun ride. Then we went on Montezuma's MONTEZUMA's revenge they call it. I don't again redesigned name. These rights. Oh boy and that was a fun. Ride it. It was Th The lake It just goes forward and backwards. So it's like a loop de Costa loose both ways But he says like scooter said that was fun. 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134. Joe Henrich  The WEIRDest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous

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134. Joe Henrich The WEIRDest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous

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Among other books is the chair of the Department of human. Evolutionary biology at Harvard University where his research focuses on evolutionary approaches to psychology decision making and culture. So I like this book a lot because it's a big history book, it's along the lines of steep pinkers books and and jared diamond's books and Carl Sagan's books I love all that. Big Picture stuff he really integrates evolutionary biology, evolutionary psychology, neuroscience, psychology, social psychology, and sociology anthropology archaeology in and so on and a lot of human history. Particularly, religious history of religion which I very much enjoy. It was an eye opener for me about the effects of the spread of Catholicism and then the Protestant reformation in after on the kinds of subjects that were interested here in this podcast that is science and reason and how it developed. So talk about some of the other big books and theories about this jared diamond's guns, germs, and steel in Morris's book on war. What is it good for Matt Release the evolution of everything rubbing Dunbar's grooming gossip and the evolution of language. The Economic Historian Gregory Clark's othello farewell to alms Benjamin Friedman's forthcoming religion and the rise of capitalism and Rodney. Stark's victory. Of reason out Christianity led to freedom capitalism in. Western success I, asked him to comment on all these I. Think his book really covers all those subjects in more in terms of a foundation for what had to be there for the factors that these authors including myself in the moral arc talk about the influence on history. There had to be something else underlying that those factors to work anyway, very interesting topic and hope you enjoyed the conversation. This is your host. Michael Sherman and you're listening to science along. A series of conversations with leading scientists, scholars, and thinkers about the most important issues of our time. Joseph Henrich. Thanks for coming on the show. The new book is only ended up everybody the weirdest people in the world how the West became psychologically peculiar and particularly prosperous I love this book. It's really quite a quite an opus I have to say I. I've read all the books, jared's books and and pinkers books. and. Everybody. You know this is really up in the Pantheon of a ten year project you've been working on. So I thought I'd start off with my regular listeners will recognize the story from Charles Darwin. In. Eighteen sixty one the British Association for the Advancement of Science held a special session on the origin of species he wasn't there. Because he didn't like to go to events like that and I think one of his kids died in a case, a friend of his wrote to him and said, they said your book is to theoretical and you should just put the facts out there. Let them speak for themselves and so here's what Darwin wrote back. To his friend, which I then elevated to a dictum at the last part. He says about thirty years ago there was much talk that geologist on only to observe and not theorize and I well remember someone saying that at this rate at man might as well go into a gravel pit in count the pebbles and described the colors, and then here's the key. How odd it is that anyone should not see that all observation must be four or against some view if it is to be of any service. So I call that Darwin's dictum and I think all good scientific writers are writing against four some point of view. Even if it's one, they previously held her their colleagues held or therefore some part of it or against it. So let's start there. Just tell us what is this book for or against what point of view are you attacking or eating testing or whatever Well I. Mean I've actually written i. Think similar to that in addressing the discipline of psychology. So in some sense psychology, if you look at a psychology textbook, it doesn't look a lot like a textbook in evolutionary biology which hasn't organizing framework and and a backbone the Darwin gave us. It's just a Potpourri of history of interesting findings in the field. So what I've been trying to make the cases that psychology needs more theory and what I've laid out in this book is how you can develop theories to explain psychological variation around the world and in this case I focused on. The, you know the society from which my cultural heritage comes from. Weird. Round hats right. So well, but evolutionary psychology I think of as a search for human universals even though a lot of its critics feel it's divisive. In fact, if you look at a list of Dan Brown's universals. have an appendix of them in my book science of good and evil. There was something like three, hundred, seventy, five of them that he documented. Just a rifle through a few of these. Age Grades Age Status Ambivalence anthropomorphic sation babytalk belief in the supernatural in religion these universals it is without. Exceptions. Classification of space classification of tools, classification of weather conditions conflict, and that's just ABC's there's hundreds and hundreds of these and I think of. A, what you're doing in a way is is fine tuning that lists saying well, it's not completely universal cultures do vary even though. Because you do evolutionary psychology seem to be arguing there's an underlying framework, but that culture tweaks the dials on those different universals. Maybe I'm not saying that the way you would. So you pick up on that. Well. So I mean I I agree with that in in broad strokes, and so what the book tries to say is actually there are features of human nature. So three of them that I bring up early on in the book are are pair bonding instinct can based. And Incest version and that it's from basic instance like that, that institutions begin to be constructed. So the fundamental the most fundamental human institutions are those based on kinship and marriage, and so those are formed the bedrock for Organization of Economics and politics most human societies across history, and so part of the story is about how those things became very strong and in order to build the kinds of impersonal institutions that we have in the Modern World you had to deal with that problem I mean cultural evolution had to deal with. The growing up one kind of socially structured World Kim based institutions, tight social networks, lots of expectations. Favors savers different aspects of psychology than growing up in another kind of world. Another feature that I think is an under appreciated. It's kind of one of the ankles I taken evolutionary psychology is that we're really a cultural species. So it's not this culture like some kind of window dressing on human nature but the we've evolved to acquire ideas, beliefs, values, motivations, ways of thinking from other people, and that's part of the way we adapt to the world so. Evolutionary psychologists are pointing out that we've been hunter gatherers for for most of our existence. But yet if you drop us into the middle of the story forest or someplace in African tell US survive. We don't do well, and the reason why we don't do well unlike other species because we're heavily dependent on this massive body of cultural information. Yeah Jared makes set point in guns, germs, and steel talking about intelligence that supposedly Western Thinkers are more intelligent than these hunter gatherers in Papua new. Guinea. where he was hanging out with his colleagues, they're friends. But that if you dropped him into pop knew he'd be dead in a week or two. You know it's intelligence is very context dependent, very environmentally or ecologically depending on the kinds of problems that you need to survive solve to survive. So, you seem to be fine tune some of that as well. Yeah until one thing that I want to go beyond just the idea that well, we know stuff. So you know where to find food or a how to build shelters or how to treat medicine are how to treat injuries or something like that in the local environment, which is a question knowledge, which is really important. But so recent research comparing hunter-gatherers, agricultural shows that hunter gathers have a richer array of sense they can detect. So at the level of olfactory senses, there's cultural variation we're having grown up in a particular environment exposed to a lot of different sense swap growing up you get a better smeller. Yeah for the local sense. Yeah. So, weird of course stands for as in the cover shows it's a great cover by the way Western educated industrialized rich didn't democratic and I remember even as an undergraduate at Pepperdine University in psychology when I was participating in experiments as a subject as as all intro psych students have to do, and then you know later helping my professors run these experiments remember thinking you know it because they would read their papers. You know this is what Americans believe or this is what humans do and I'm thinking I'm nineteen years old I just moved out of my parent's house I have never had a real job. How could possibly represent humans much less Americans or whatever. So even back then I remember thinking so great that you identified that when you first coined that. Acronym Back I. Guess About a decade ago and it's really caught on now and I think that's an important clarification make on site studies. Or all social sciences really. Yeah. So it's not just though that we want to expand the pool of subjects, but we also want to have you know a full accounting full evolutionary accounting gives us not only the ability to explain human nature. But also to explain the kind of variation, we should see expect across the world. Yeah. Though back to Darwin's dictum look let's deconstruct. Explained to the listeners what your thesis is, how it differs from other theses and and what problem trying to explain. Why the West you know accelerated beyond other cultures or or whatever. Yeah I mean at the core of the book is really a book about psychology and psychological variation think about psychological variation. So one of the big ideas that are you know as a cultural species having evolved have these large brains ready to drinking ideas from other members of our social. Group. we can shape how we think in process interview information. So that means that the institutions were exposed to the technologies, the languages, all shape our brains develop on genetically. In, an environment and that leads to psychological differences then questions well, how do we explain? Can we explain some of the big patterns that should take us to? Institution. So what institutions vary I, mentioned before. Probably the most important of human institutions is the family. And so I, began looking at how different family patterns different marriage patterns. So polygamy versus monogamy or societies have cousin marriage somehow clans westerners have bilateral inherited and so through both mom and dad, and how this shapes the social networks and then shaped the incentives people face leads to different strategies in different ways of organizing the world. So at a high level of saying, we should pay attention to these things that shape our minds in particular institutions. The one that seems to play a big role in my story is the family and so part of what made European societies unique is that in the late late middle are in the early Middle Ages late antiquity, the Catholic Church began to demolish the complex kinship systems of Europe in break people down monogamous nuclear families. Now, this took centuries, but at least parts of Europe had been broken down by about one thousand years ago though so thousand. And that led to development of new institutions, representative forms of government individual centered law in the high Middle Ages. And then by the time you get further several centuries later you can. See you begin to see innovation and economic growth being to take off. So behind this is kind of interaction between social structure and psychological change on and creates fertile ground for the development of these other kinds of formal higher level institutions I'm thinking of government here. Yeah, most of us today thing of the nuclear family monogamy as the norm but most anthropologists no, it's not the norm although you have a section called something about. Polygamy, and the and the problem of math. And his evolutionary psychologists point out when you have a community in which a handful of men get most of the women that leaves a lot of young men. Without female companionship and nothing else to do. But you know 'cause cause problems trying to try and to adjust that how is it possible that a polygamist society can operate like that with so many unattached men running around Well. I mean what we know from the anthropological evidence is that if you have a system where the wealthy men are taking a lot of women you end up with this large pool of men who in order to have a chance of getting into the meeting and marriage market they have to take risks and there are locally socially acceptable ways to deal with that by rating other groups or by going into war on where sometimes you get these age set structures where as a young man, you don't have many may meeting and marriage opportunities but assuming you get to be old enough, you can then become pelagic. It's a kind of. Deferral of gratification situation. So I mean eighty five percent of human societies. The political record allow men to take additional wives. Meanwhile, the the opposite Pollyanna is relatively rare where women can take additional husbands and those societies are also intermixed with polyphony us. So there's a real a symmetry there and I think that asymmetry are. Built into human biology. Why was it Catholicism that I put the brakes on he like that billion me like that. Well, I mean in general, there is variation amongst society. So you have the emergence of these universalising religions say in the in the five hundred years before years zero say. Before, the common era and The Way I think about it is we often look like in one of our western models we look for the genius or the heroic inventor were. So we tend to look for that the people who figured it out through some kind of deductive reasoning process a kind of more Darwinian way of looking at it. A more kind of population thinking would be to say, there's lots of different religions they're all doing different crazy things. So is Zora FIENNES ISM is encouraging incestuous marriage. So lot of cousin marriage brother sister marriage amongst the royals. Islam eventually has they constrain polygamy down to four wives. They have to be treated equally but then they have an inheritance rule that says, daughters have to inherit half of what sons inherit. And this leads to parallel cousin marriage. So you've got to marry her father's brother's son you're a woman and that creates a whole different set of kind of network dynamics. So you know and these different groups are playing with them. They can't tell what the long term consequences are going to be and one particular group the branch of Christianity that led to the Roman Catholic Church seemed to pick up a bunch of these and one of them was Not only monogamous marriage because this was common in the Roman. Empire but no divorce, no marrying relatives and in particular and also no sex slaves. So Roman men can only marry a monogamously, but they can get divorced. And they also have as many sex slaves as they could afford basically. So that but but the Romans were not weird like us. Even though they practice some of those. So what made the the? Rules imposed by the Catholic Church on these European countries become weird. What what what was the kind of historical trigger it and was it for moral reasons or was it more practical? They get in airliner money and in control more property. Well there's there's there's kind of layers of explanation so. At the time individuals were often justifying that by the obvious reason why you would want to adopt these religious prohibitions because God wants us to do that right but then. The anthropologist Jack Goody has argued that the imposition of these rules help to generate income you. So for example, this doesn't have to do with monogamy but rules about marrying relatives was eventually used to generate income. And these things also, one of the problems with inheritance was that. You know if you had a normal kinship system, the way lots of places in the world do if you died your relatives would all have claims on your inheritance you couldn't control work win. So the Church worked hard to make sure individuals could give their wealth away by testament and they had two tie it to the lineage unit to the sort of your uncles and cousins couldn't get a hold of it. And this made the church wealthy as people began to quest money to the church. At their death bed in order to get into heaven. So the people believed that this was a way to get into heaven, but the Church was able to gain a lot of wealth and and with the idea of giving to the poor. So they it built on this thing that Jesus said about you know. It's harder for a rich man to get into heaven than to get a camel through the eye of a needle. and. So the Archbishop Mobile on and others kind of built built the Catholic Church on that. He. Does, revolve around power and money for sure. So you you mentioned that jared guns, germs and steel kind of leaves off around one thousand or so that is the geographical. Determine answer factors that divided the West from the rest and so you pick up around that time L.. Let's say late Middle Ages to the early modern period where the pervasiveness of Catholicism and these rules against polygamy and and all the COMP-. Complex rules about who you can marry and have children with and so on. Really take off then explained to us how that rewires our brains and makes us more analytical and and an western in our way of thinking about the world. Yes. So the key is. is to think about how these different family structures affect how you navigate the world. So if you're if all you have is a monogamist nuclear family and when you go out into the world whether it's making friends, finding mates or starting a business partners people to work with. The thing you have to sell or these attributes. So it forces you to cultivate a uniqueness to make others wants to work with you marry you or whatever. So you'd so it focuses you on yourself and what you have to offer others in world intensive kinship. You inherit a lot of relationships at birth and then an order. If you WANNA pick someone to be a partner with, you want someone who's attached to you through your networks because what's going to make them trustworthy is if they're not, then you know you can tell their father or tell tell their brother and they get a bad reputation within that network. So it's just two different ways of managing things. One is based on relationships in these enduring connections that you keep. Your whole life often have an ancestral land. You see yourself as linked to ancestors back in time whereas in the other world an individual and you gotta go out and make your way in the world and the I argue that that affects how people think about laws because they started thinking about individuals having properties to like in the modern world we have a notion of individual rights, kind of strange concept in these things inside of us that somehow special on that's not the way. The way that lots of societies have thought about it they focus more on relationships in fact. In China. For example if you were to do a battery to someone, you beat them up your penalty would depend on who you beat up. If you beat up your father, it's much more harshly than if you meet up a stranger. So, so the Relationship Matters Yeah I. Love that section talking about universal human rights because of course, it's something I believe in Britain quite a bit about and I think prescriptively it's something we should work toward. But if you asked if I grew up in some other completely different non weird. Culture I may not be thinking that. You know. So for example, if you ask me who are you now I would say well, I'm a writer and publisher and a and a professor and a mistake list or whatever. You know maybe a couple of points later I'd say and I'm the father of Vinnie and Jennifer's husband and and this and the son of my father and so on. But what you're arguing is that had I been raised in a non culture. Those would be the first things I would say and the least important thing is what I do for a living. Right and I've spent a lot of time in in the South Pacific and remote places in South America and one of the one of the things that's striking is when Americans get together, you know you'll often say, hey, you know, what do you do like ask people about their occupation? That's downright rude and a lot of places because it's not an important topic, it's not necessarily your business in other places whereas with us, you know our occupation is is Very Central and kind of the main place we're going to start to connect. Almost. As Our uncomfortable. We would be offended dinner party someone said, well, how much do you make? What you can't ask that you can ask me what I do what do you do? I'm a writer. Okay. How much do you make is a writer what? Would you bring down last year? Yeah we see your tax returns. Oh. No. That's a different subject. And then so talk a little bit about the the the Mac Vabres, Protestant work ethic, and the rise of capitalism that whole piece. That's probably one of the most famous theories in all of sociology for a century now. You're you're parallel to that a little bit but you tweak it quite a bit. Give give us your thoughts on that most famous theory. Yes. So Samak's idea was there was some things about protestantism. So deferral of gratification willingness to work hard number of other psychological traits that kind of May have acilitator the development of capitalist economics of the kind of competitive market. Economics that came to dominate the world, and so I think that there's new evidence actually that supports that. Maybe less. Max think it'd entirely ripe for example, reading seems to play a big role. So the spread of protestantism. Encouraged and fostered and drove the spread of literacy which changes our brains and allows us to exchange information and people swap ideas through learning to read so that that may have had a big role there does seem to be something about hard work being purifying. So you can either see hard work very painful where you can see it as a way of working through your guilds or making you feel better improving yourself or building your individualistic attributes. But then what I do with access to say that, how did we ever get to a place where we can have a religion that said that each individual has the right and the duty to read the sacred scriptures for themselves and make judgments about the divine and about how should his life and it's Saul work as a calling and occupational calling, which is part of protestantism. So a lot of the book is sort of getting to vapor. And you need a world where those ideas would take off and be interesting and spread. And could that have happened without the foul schism in the first place I don't mean you need a system to have Protestant reformation but the the ideas behind protestantism you just mentioned could could could only derive after the Catholic church a put the brakes on polygamy and all those other family structures. That's the idea. Is that it created a world where people? Were psychologically predisposed to the ideas that Protestant protestantism had to offer and I mean one line of evidence that I offer for that although there was a big take off after fifteen, seventeen and Martin Luther were a number of prior kind of bubbling up of Protestant like ideas. So there's this thing in the Netherlands called the Brotherhood of the common life, and that was very much Protestant type of movement a guide embedded into the Catholic church and just became kind of a branch or sect of Catholic Church. So they operated within the system, but they had a emphasis on literacy on the importance of education on individuality. So it was it was it was going to bubble up somewhere. Yeah. Interesting. So these things happen and then literacy our brains are rewired, and then let's go through some of these kind of famous psychological universe universal characteristics that are maybe not so universal that you talk about conformity shame and guilt illusions loss aversion cognitive dissonance confirmation bias I? Mean I've written about all these things as if this is a human trait. And you point out well, it's more of a weird trade. These are dials that are up and down. Yeah so I mean take something like the endowment effect people have strong intuitions about the endowment effect usually. So if if you own something, you think it's more valuable than if somebody else owns it. So the classic experiment is this you give people a Mug and when you give to own the Mug for a little while the price, they think willing to sell it for his. Higher than the price are willing to buy it for someone else else has it It's why you know it's one explanation people have given for why you're always disappointed in how much your house sells for because it's your house you sort of place an extra. I've lived here smile and so that somehow it seems more valuable. So you're always disappointed in the actual market price. But when groppy cello and colleagues went into this with Hodson Hunter. So these are people living in style life that we think is. The way humans live deep into our evolutionary history, nomadic bands and whatnot. She found no endowment fact amongst the traditionally living interesting. When she looked at hotted that had gone become more engaged in the market. They showed an endowment effect not quite as strong as in the West. It was clear that they had an endowment effect. You would have said, well, there's can cultural variation the endowment effect. Turns out that the traditional hundred zero, they're just rational traders interesting. Here's what I wrote about your research in my book, the Moral Arc, which was two thousand fifteen from your twenty, ten study published in science markets, religion community size, and the evolution of fairness and punishment which I love this study. psychologists, Joseph Henrik, and his colleagues co engaged over two thousand people in fifteen small communities around the world in two player Exchange Games in which one subject is given us some money equivalent to a day's pay and his allowed to keep her share some of it. All of it with the person. You might think that most people would just keep all of the money but in fact, the scientists discovered that people in Hunter. Gatherer communities shared about twenty five percent while people in societies who regularly engage in trade gave away about forty five percent. Although religion was a modest factor in making people more generous. The strongest predictor was market integration. defined as the percentage of households total calories that were purchased from the market as opposed to homegrown hunted or fished. Why because the authors conclude trust in cooperation with strangers, lowers transaction costs and generates greater prosperity for all involved in the market. Fairness norms evolved as part of an overall process of societal evolution to sustain mutually beneficial exchanges in contexts where established social relationships, for example, Ken reciprocity status were insufficient now. That supports what you're talking about in your new book but I was right about a different context. That is most theologians argue what you need religion to be moral and religion to create a moral structure for people to be more fair. Otherwise, they're just you know in a doctrines type may selfish. Greedy bastards get a beasley in kind of a human nature. So you need religion to ride herd on that. Make people be Nicer. But what you're arguing is I interpreted it was actually just the opposite religions not doing it this integration with markets exchange but I see now what you're doing is a deeper foundation that is. People would otherwise trust one another. Within families but once you branch out from that, you need something like markets that guarantee the exchange of money, the value of money and so on Anyway. I thought you'd appreciate that Yeah Yeah and so the way I think of it is I guess maybe on I don't know if I'm in between but. We can find an independent effective markets. Even if you hold religion constant greater market integration, people seem to have these market norms it gotten accustomed to dealing with strangers. They expect fairness they're relatively fair ex not economic exchanges. So that's part of the story of what happened in Europe with a breakdown of the family you get the rise in spread of all these impersonal markets. So in the book, I, provide data showing this diffusion of an increasing number of market exchanges where people were closer and closer and could more routinely engage in these this exchange with strangers which. Lead to this impersonal sociology where you're you're pro social with people, you don't know and might not see again as opposed to focusing all your appro Cialis on this network of long enduring ties you have although as I point out in the book, I have a chapter on religion and religion can do work along those lines as well. So if you unconsciously remind people of supernatural beings and the believer doesn't work on atheist. But if they're a believer then day, they'll be more fair minded that supernatural agent is preaching kind of be nice take religionists or whatever. Is this like the big God's theory of the origins of religion that is? kind of a joint evolution of religion and government when a band tribes call us in Chiefdoms than states, and there's just too many people in the population for these informal. Small group norms take place. So you need some kind of higher authority in and so if the government gendarmes are not seeing you, there's an eye in the sky that sees everything you're doing. And you will in. In the next life, there'll be a cosmic courthouse. and. So yes. So so it's the idea to cultural evolution is looking for ways to scale up and one of those one of the tricks that have can pull out of the toolbox or these is the sky, the invisible agent that will monitor and punish, and you know that's this fits in with evolutionary psychology in the sense that I, think you know. We're very concerned about our reputation. We behave better when we're being watched. So of cultural evolution can create an invisible being which you can do with very strong theory of mind were ability project minds. We can construct models of other minds. So it's easy enough to make up a pretend one, and then that can do some some work getting people to cooperate yeah. Let me give you this kind of overview of how I was thinking about your book. I was reading it and how I think about any of these problems. In which you have an idea and then you go in search of historical examples to fit it which which can work, and I think you're probably right the way you you constructed but I think of it as a two by two matrix psychologists like to use the a four cells. So sell one let's put the influence of Catholicism Protestantism in that leads to weird characteristics like us then sale to you have. To, follow system and brought it him. But you have countries where you have non weird characteristics and sell three you have non-catholic non Protestant countries who end up weird and then you have, of course for non-catholic in Protestant countries and then non word characteristic. Certainly, your book is focused on sell one where you can. You can see the effects of that quite strongly. Are there examples where? There are Catholic and Protestant influences where they didn't develop democracy capitalism and the kind of western way of thinking. Well I. Mean It's our my approach and the approach way. So one of the main kind of inquiries into this was published in science last year and it's a statistical approach right? So I think these things are affected by lots of things. So you know I had this idea that this kinship intensity is a big factor, but that's not only affected by the Catholic Church. It's also affected by things like whether you have irrigation agriculture or you know the details of the kind of agriculture, you can do plow versus paddy rice so. One of the things I do in the book I look at China and I just compared different Chinese provinces. So this is building on Thomas Towel Helms work, and when you have Patty Rice agriculture, you end up with more clans and that leads to more of inclusive fitness. I mean sorry inclusive intensive kinship type psychology so tighter bonds more holistic thinking. More nepotism things like that. There's there's lots of things that can shape these institutions. I'm just putting my finger on a few that I think are particularly important for understanding the current district they are and I think you make a pretty good case for it for sure and I hadn't really thought about religion. Religious influence historically, in the way that you did appendix, you have where you have the list of edicts and I it's on in the history of Catholicism and protestantism that. The family structure, it's quite striking I had no idea about half of those all the intricate rules about not marrying your stepmother after the bothered is or whatever not marrying your sister this second cousin first cousin six cousin. And in that and that puts into context pope. John Paul the second's eating that says, it's okay to marry I was first cousins or second cousins I forget that was like in the ninety ninety check. Now now, genetically, by the way what realize it yet go ahead. I was just going to say you know people don't realize it, but it's embedded in our language. So when you say you're sister-in-law, you're saying your sister in Canon Law and it saying you know that woman is like your sister. So no sex or marriage with her if your wife dies, you can't marry her right. What is the latest on genetically speaking? Marrying set first cousins. Yeah I. Mean You can detect. So inbreeding can have some effect on You know things we care about cognitive abilities and whatnot. Social Effects on things like the inclusively of on the psychological effects seem to be a lot larger. It also depends on how inbred your population is. But. So would think the interesting thing the church wasn't just the first cousin to it went all the way out to six cousins at one point. So that really means you're looking for someone distant from you. I make the case in the book and I could use some more evidence on this This may have been wear Europe's tribes went. So we know that you're in the Roman era had all these tribes you get the celts. The lombards in the Franks and they all vanish and one reason they may have vanished. Anthropologist that the thing that gets rid of tribes is marriage across tribal lines. So you had to marry someone who aren't related to, but they had to be a Christian though I suspect you had Christians who were of different tribes marrying, and then that blurs the boundaries and then they they just disappear in history. Yeah, there seems to be some balance of how much genetic diversity a group needs from the outside to be healthy without too much inbreeding. And a member of the famous t-shirt tasks. Undergraduate women smelled some guys t shirts and then decided which ones they. WOULD WANNA go out on a date with or whatever, and genetically it turned out they were somewhat distant but not too distant genetically South Africa, the details of that. There was a well it. It also depended on whether you're pregnant or not. So if you were pregnant than you'd like the smell of your your kin folks t shirts idea that once you're pregnant doesn't matter. With your close. Relative right. There is a study from Iceland that shows that you know you you actually maximize your fitness. Like. Second and third cousins because you can get the benefits of this close family in this network effect with not very much on bad inbreeding affects. So first cousins are definitely bad but second and third cousins could be like a maximum and then you go farther away you don't get the network benefits interesting. Okay. Another thing I was thinking about reading your book is the problem of over determining the past. and. So here's just a few examples of books I've read over the last few years that kind of this big history. Perspective on the past which I love I think it's great and your book is a is right in that genre beautifully. Jared diamond's geographic models who of course you're familiar with Ian Ian Morris's book war. What is it good for his subtitle is conflict and the progress of civilization for primates to robots the here you go. Okay. We need war to Matt Ridley's the evolution of everything. How new ideas emerge his whole thing is ideas have sex. And that this is what drives civilizations, progress and Robin, Dunbar, grooming gossip, and the evolution of language. So you know, of course, dumbers, number and all that. They economic historian Gregory Clark farewell to alms. In which he tackles the profound, I'll just read you the summary of it here. The profound questions suggests a new and provocative way in which culture. Not, exploitation geography or resources explains the wealth and poverty of nations cantering the prevailing theory that the industrial revolution was sparked by the sudden development of stable political, legal and economic institutions. Seventeenth Century, Europe Clark shows at such institutions existed long before industrialization. He's instead that these institutions gradually led a deep cultural changes by encouraging people to abandon hunter-gatherer instincts violence impatience an economy of effort and adopt economic abbots artwork rationality in education I mean I've I've got several other examples but. And here, I've just been tasked with reviewing Benjamin Friedman's forthcoming book religion and the rise of capitalism. He's your colleague at Harvard in the Economics. Department. Contrary to the conventional historical view of economics isn't entirely secular products alignment Benjamin Friedman demonstrates that religion exerted a powerful influence from the outset. He makes clear that the foundational transition thinking about what we now call economics beginning in the eighteenth century Adam. Smith was decisively shaped by the hotly contended lines religious thought within the English speaking Protestant world beliefs about God given human character and about the afterlife about the purpose of our existence were well under scrutiny in the world which Adam Smith Arose and saw You know it seems like. You can find a thesis that's it. That works like this is a factor that changed history absolutely, and then tons of examples with the forest cells and the one stands out Yep. Okay. Maybe statistically speaking that's probably right and I I think you're right and the path you chose. But how do we know which is which if to run a multi variant correlation analysis, which which one's account for the various the most? Yeah. So I love your examples because I know all those books and I taught wealth and poverty of nations when I was a professor of economics at the University of British Columbia so. I've actually taught farewell to arms. And all of those books you can find in my book. It's kind of big plug but. Jared diamond trade explanation up to year one thousand. But then you know that explains why Islamic societies were. So successful, how do we get to Europe? How to get to? England the Industrial Revolution So Oscar that's in their. Matt, Ridley's book has ideas about innovation. So I have a chapter on innovation about what drove innovation and I think that's totally right I've written about this myself and But the key you have to have trust in strangers tolerance interest in novelty all of those things opened up the floodgates of information among the minds of individuals. So my argument for the Industrial Revolution. Innovation after about fifteen hundred is that the change in psychology and the sort of Broader social networks so journeymen would go from one apprentice shop are from one master shops say some trade to another one would take knowledge and recombine it with the folks in the neck shop and they were able to move over large distances. That's just one example of how information was flowing. So I mean, Matt's idea is in there, but you gotta say, well, what release that information such that we got this Of Information and Clark's idea was that there's this cultural change but. He doesn't have a good mechanism. So I actually used some of Clark's data in one of my chapters where he has stayed on in an interest rates any claims that people are becoming more patient as time goes by. So I use an I, actually you combine it with other data showed them when people engage in markets, they become more patient. So his decline there I, think that's maybe a product of market integration perhaps in Protestant isn't mixed in their various points. You can show that Protestants predict being more patient just compared to Catholics within Europe, for example. So. Yeah. So I'm I'm I'm in conversation in some sense with all those days I think a lot of the dots actually connect at least with those books. Yeah. Maybe think of your book is is is a deeper level still to account for some of the causal mechanisms behind those other factors that these other authors are talking about. Here's another example Rodney. Stark's book the victory. Of reason how Christianity led to freedom capitalism and Western success. You can guess why people send me this one because I'm always pretty critical of religion. And Christianity and it's related institutions are in fact directly responsible for those significant intellectual, political, scientific, and economic breakthroughs of the past millennium in stark's view what is propelled the West is not the tension between secular and non secular society nor the pitting of science and the humanities against religious belief Christian theology he asserts is the very fond of reason. Anyway, so of course I you know my critic sent me these things. So here's how I described this thesis, which is even more starkly outlined by Danish sues of Conservative activists in his book. What's so great about Christianity? There's no question mark on there it's just a statement. So here I. Hear in my sort of four cell analysis I said once again, we can run the historical experiment make a prediction. If this hypothesis is true. Then societies in which Christianity is or was the dominant religion should show western like forms of democracy and capitalism. They don't the Byzantine Empire. For example, was predominantly eastern Orthodox Christian from the early eighty three hundreds, and for seven centuries produced nothing remotely like democracy and capitalism is practiced in modern. America. Even early in America wasn't like it is today when Amir two centuries ago women couldn't vote slavery was legal and widely practiced in capitalism's wealth was bow shaped to only a tiny minority of land holders or factory owners. Throughout the late Middle Ages and well into the early modern period. All Nation States city states in various political call conglomerates of Western and central Europe were not only Christian. But Western, Christian and yet as late as the nineteenth century, the only quasi democratic republic's in Europe or England Holland Switzerland. In Christian Europe both England and Spain profited handsomely from their overseas colonial. Empires made more profitable yet by the decimation of the native populations and the looting of their throws a precious metals, gems, and other natural resources actions that by today's standard moral standards would-be condemned. So again, it's the exceptions to the rules that you can test these kinds of historical hypotheses. You know from my book that. I'm very interested in in the Byzantine Empire either. Eastern Orthodox Christianity. So you can compare those side by side and because it was the West that really adopted this marriage and family program with these extensive taboos on cousin marriage, and so when you the analysis, you often get like a light effect for Eastern Christianity and this strong correlation for Western. Christian. Upset. catch that in in my case I, have I have you know theory right pinpoints of the fact that the obsession with not having sex in an incest taboos. Few other things in western Chris in one branch of Christianity that did some of the work here and it doesn't mean that you know. It initiated this process that I describe in the book. I hope your book is widely read by historians of these various periods to see how it holds up there. Let's talk about some of the other topics in here you have a discussion of food taboos. The tribe were pregnant women don't eat eels. To Western ears this all sounds like crazy talk like you should mix fabrics or you shouldn't make blood and milk or whatever. But some of these may have a kind of evolutionary logic or at least a physical or medical logic behind them. Yeah. So That's an example from my last book, the secret of our success, and that's where I really sketch out this idea that were a cultural species and that we have this adaptive ways of learning from others tend to focus on saint more successful or more prestigious. We key in on certain kinds of ideas and over generations that could produce adaptations. So complex patterns of behavior if the individuals themselves don't understand and so in one of my chapters in that book, I lay out a bunch of examples in one is this gene food taboo for the food taboos protect women from CIGUATERA toxins, which accumulates in certain species of Reef Fish. So anybody who's dependent on reef species can get. Toxin and it's particularly bad if you're pregnant or breastfeeding so can affect the fetus or past infants through the through the mother's milk. So these taboos getting vote which prevent women from eating these particular species during this dangerous period. You think they developed that through trial and error I mean not just stand but but but most of these religious taboos. Why I don't think that they. I. Think it's mostly copying more successful and healthier people. So imagine if you you know you lose a few children from from eating the wrong fish you don't do well then your family doesn't grow big doesn prosper and as long as you tend to copy women who were doing well had lots large large families and whatnot you're going to get kind of filtering process that's going to give you a better and better repetoire that allows you to avoid these things that that make you unsuccessful. Because, we did a lot of interviews and whether people were experimenting with this and there was very little individual level experimentation and y'all we also found the same thing in Virginia ethnography is from the Nineteen Thirties. So this was something that evolved to be widespread. Yeah. Another passage from your book that I that that really struck me this is toward the end globalization and its discontents I'd like that subtitle because that's a hot topic these days. The much-heralded ideals of Western civilization like Human Rights Liberty Representative, democracy, and science art monuments to pure reason or logic as so many assume people didn't suddenly become rational during the enlightenment of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries and then invent the modern world. Instead, these institutions represent cumulative cultural products born from a particular cultural psychology that trace their origins back over centuries. Through a casket of causal chains, involving wars, markets, and monks to a peculiar package of incest taboos, marriage prohibitions, and family prescriptions you call it the M. f. p.. What's the MFG again that the MA- marriage family? program. The. Catholic. Church should actually. Adopted that that developed a radical religious sect. Western. Christianity. Christian leaders who repeated repeatedly beefed up implemented and enforced the MFG as ecumenical councils over centuries revealed no long term instrumental vision for how they'd create a new kind of world though they no doubt had some nonreligious motives in addition to the genuine desire to serve a powerful supernatural being anyway goes I think. We often think I mean people, Steve. Pinker, and I write about You know the importance of science and reason starting around in the enlightment. Overthrowing these religious superstitions. Women born with demons in the middle of the night causes disease plagues and storms and accidents, and we've replaced all that with meteorology and insurance and. Studied statistics and we understand the natural world now. But you're saying. That no one sat down and said, let's just create this this this process it was already underway through these long historical trends. Yeah and I mean. I think that I mean one of the things I try to show in the book is how does law and science is affected by a kind of individualistic in disposition of thinking. So just thinking about how you begin to do science you assign. Properties to object. So you define an object whether it's a planet you assign a gravity. If it's if it's a atom or particle, you might assign a charge to it, and then you explain its behaviour by that property, you don't focus on the relationships on the same thing with laws you pick individual you assigned rights to that individual and those rights or responsibilities. Then define everything that goes from there you're looking for an overall analytic system you're not doing a case by case kind of a mosaic of different rules for different kinds of cases you're looking for generalize universal things and you see that occurring in both law and science at the same time, and that's very much like analytic thinking individualistic psychology just about how we parse the world and try to explain things. It doesn't mean scientists in a superior system of epistemology just means that you can see the tracks of the psychology that led to the Yet jurors got a discussion of witchcraft in one of his books I. Think it's collapse. That that they they would often understand that the reason the the the the little hot collapsed or whatever it was termites they understand the natural causes. But. The timing of the collapse of the I forget which village this was. You know that that that they were impugning supernatural influence on. So they kind of had a blending of that but they got some of it right. But but yet, it's still served a purpose for accounting for the these other unknowns. Yes. So he your best, that's actually something I've been puzzling. Lease. Is Just Y, which craft banished when it did in Europe. And one thing that seemed to May play a role is zero sum thinking. So places that have a lot of witchcraft tend to have a lot zero sum thinking. So if if I get better you get worse though were there's a limited amount of good in the world we're kind of deciding how to allocate that whereas you have markets and you have technology evolving rapidly then you're in a non zero sum world. So if I get rich, it doesn't mean you can't get rich right so there's this anyway that that may have had a major role in making any ideas less appealing. Envy and witchcraft lighter. Yeah that's right now and a lot of the witch craze is were driven by. Greed and motives to get rid of people in enemies. You people. You didn't like an enemies and so on although behind it as the idea that there's A poor understanding of -ality white things happen. It's probably a combination of both, but it's a fascinating subject, but we often think of. Someone like Thomas. Jefferson will say, well, I got these ideas from John, Locke and Thomas Hobbes and John Russo and they came up with this idea. Well, WE HAVE TO HAVE A. Separation of powers and and representative government and a social contract and those sorts of things. So you're not. I don't think you're denying that somebody came up with those I mean hobbs made it as long massive argument for why we need a state because of human nature and and so on. But I think what you're saying is that that wouldn't have taken hold in a different kind of culture. You need the kind of analytical Western thinking to even accept that idea is valid or even talk about it. Right right. So and it's particularly catchy. So if you already think of individuals as having properties and dispositions, personalities are import when you're explaining people's behavior than the idea of downing them with rights or things like that makes a lot more sense and it's also the case this matter of the kind of evolution of these things in the high Middle Ages long before Jefferson unlock show up on the scene, there's already like town councils where you're a citizen of the town have certain rights you can't be impressed. By the local Duke. So these things are already operating to small-scale locking. The guys are just kind of scaling up to to the state. Yeah. Yeah. Your book is is is is pretty descriptive, not prescriptive but. They also. have. A sense that democracy and the rule of law and equal treatment under the law and science and reason are better ways for communities to be structured. That is that Western way here I'm speaking prescriptive prescriptively now in large populations of not mostly anonymous strangers, you need those structures to have. The built entrust. That is not going to be there without those family ties. I. Don't know if you WanNa if you WANNA speculate prescriptively from your book you have to but But but but that is already timely issues. Socially a book certainly makes the case it's not shy about making the case that these way sort of tolerance trust in strangers interest in novelty openness to immigrants. Things drive more rapid economic growth, they drive innovation. So. If you want your economy to have that, then you know and these aspects of psychology are good. But you know there is a cautionary note in this work by Burto al-Sina Powell Giuliano to economists who have look at family ties they showed that having week family ties, they come to the same conclusions as I do except they also study happiness, and so the the happiest people are people who live in. Prosperous, societies that have these values, but then have tons of family ties so. Family ties to make us happy. Yeah. There's some of that other that cultural. Psychology, like Michelle Galvin who is on the podcast I love that hold tight culture loose culture. How does that fit into your model? Well so that's one of the features of psychology that I take that I aspire to explain I. Think there are lots of things that can lead tightness including things like were shocks in pandemics and things like that. But. It is also the case that the this intensive kinship will make the society tighter. So one point I showed this relationship across countries that countries with more intensive kinship tighter. A pretty strong relationship and in his ad hold up even say within Western European countries where you have differences between Germans and Italians in tightness and looseness. We haven't I haven't found a good measure of tightness that would allow me to address that I'd love to know that They only thing we have is the what Michelle publishing science paper. We took her data and ran through are now. Just, cross national data. So it's very preliminary. So you talked about. Happiness meaningfulness I, love the sentence in your book. Then you get to Westerners who are like, I'm an individual ape on a plate Pale blue dot in the middle of a giant black space. What does it all mean? So I love the reference to Carl Sagan's Pale blue dot of course and but but I think what you're saying is a non weird Western wouldn't even be asking a question like that. That's right. So in lots of places people see themselves not only is connected in space to the social relations and you can actually see this as a cultural neuroscientists are studying this. When you have people think about their close members of their family, it actually overlaps with their self concept in their brains think about yourself think about your mom think about these other relatives whereas in Westerners. Your separate. And you also think about yourself often as stretching into the past and stretching into the future. So you're kind of this web in this kind of temporal spatial. Interconnected mass and so I think it gives your life meaning away when you're just an individual trying to make his way another you know in the darkness of space on the blue dot it's. As a different feel. Yeah. You know as you probably know in humanist and atheist skeptic communities, there's much discussion about do we need to replace religion with something like a secular religious secular humanism or western Buddhism or something because people need this What are your? What are your thoughts on terms of human nature and what what to what extent we need religion or spirituality or something like that? Well I think also now we're moving outside of the back of the book yeah. I mean I, guess that I I don't think you need religion. Religion. But. I think that you do need meaning in your life and you do need. And you do need something bigger or helps if you're an individualist has things you're striving for. It's good to have people you're working with insensitive team I'm a great believer in rituals. Located, sometimes, just get together and do the same thing because we're the people who do this thing whether it's depending on what your interests are. I think all that can help people deal with that kind of loneliness that I mentioned with the Pale Blue Dot. Yeah. Well, I mean that that you know bowling alone idea that we're kind of disintegrating from those old family ties. That give meaning without. Without even going down the road of existential ISM in what does it all mean you you don't even need to ask that if you have a tight community of people. And you know how consecutive get it? Well, we can get it through. You know lots of different ways of of just having communities and people that you like it's almost like. What people are talking about is restructuring communities to be more what you talk about early in the book about the way things used for ninety nine percent of human history. These small bands and drives, we're kind of trying to reconstruct those through facebook meet up groups or whatever. And so I I could see there's kind of from your book like what what we can do to kind of recapture some of the positive aspects of life. Right. So. I agree with that but Well there are I know there's Any differences, there are a WHO think we need to construct? Like actual churches that suck the equivalent of a church building to go to where you meet every week and there are these the these these meet groups that this and and they light candles and they have testimonials of how you lost your religion and they have you know like dating services and funerals. Marriage ceremonies that are all secular. I think the way they're trying to recapture you're you're talking about. Here's another Here's another son well I don't know because like personally for me I don't really feel the need for for any of that but but some people do. You know I mean a lot of most of my Jewish friends, for example, or atheists, and yet they still hold tight to their kind of Jewish heritage and the culture and The community and the rituals and so on. Because it's thousands of years old and it has kind of a deep residents spiritually whatever that really means. Of community being part of something. Yeah. What were you? Get a lot of that because I part of the scientific community. Yeah, and so you know we do we get together at conferences and we think we're doing something important and we're changing how people think about humans and Right I mean to me the kind of work you do is you know it's as grand is anything religion ever came up with you want to understand human nature and all of human history all the way back to the beginning. That's pretty grand. You know that's that's kind of awesome. Bedroom changing ambition. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. How'd you? How'd you get into a interested in all that in the first place where where are you from? How were you raised to give us a little bit of background To are so I from Philadelphia? I was raised Roman Catholic and I went to University of Notre Dame you were raised. But The. Catholic. And you know as a as a high school student going to Notre Dame was the best thing one could do I mean you know my father watched the football games everybody knew all my friends were Catholics or at least many of them so that seemed like a great thing and Just as I started to take the classes I started not sure this is making sense I'm having some issues and so by the time I graduated from Notre Dame I was already agnostic. I think by Richard Dawkins definition I was Nathan I but I was calling myself an agnostic and then I actually met atheists when I went to graduate school moves. Oh. You're one also they look like. Really. Yeah. Go ahead anyway then you Yeah I, and so I started I was interested in the evolution of human societies in graduate school and I started doing fieldwork in the prove Amazon and I just became really disenchanted with what anthropology had to offer in terms of explaining people's decision making and the patterns I was seeing I was looking at different indigenous groups that were in the same environment but behaving very differently. So. Then I got interested in cultural evolution and I started working with the scholar Rob Boyd who developed ideas about cultural evolution. And then I just you kind of lost it my discipline because I started reading behavioral economics I was reading Elinor Ostrom work from political science Communist. And then so by the time I graduated with my PhD I was applying to economics department psychology departments in anthropology, and so I I I went to anthropology but then I got recruited to the University of British Columbia Economics and psychology that's kind of very important. You know this idea that Matt Ridley mentioned ideas have sex while moving among disciplines is a good way to pick up ideas from different disciplines methods. The way people think about things and just kind of recombining them. Yeah I almost feel like we needed to break down the barriers in the academy and literally physical barriers on campuses, buildings, walls offices. and. You know which classes are taught in which divisions I mean your book is it's all of that evolutionary biology of psychology economics behavioral Economics Social Psychology Psychology Neuroscience I mean, it just goes on and on you you've had to dabble in a dozen different sciences just to try to answer these not to mention history. To the I mean if even built into the structure of the university. So so I'm in a at Harvard, there's the division of scientists were nobody studies humans except for my little department of human evolutionary biology, which is kind of this weird thing that other universities don't have, and then all the other human studies are on the other side in the social sciences humanities and they're under separate sub deans. So other universities are the same way they everybody who studies people in one place. Then all the non people scientists are in a different part of the university. Even. If you study other living things, I mean the MED schools a different story but. I think congressman is the only psychologists to win a Nobel. Prize there's no Nobel prize for his psychology. Social Sciences just economics. It you know the even that is very i. think emblematic of the of the issue I it's almost like economics is the Nobel Committee thinks of it more like physics or mathematics or something like that not not not one of those soft sciences and yet to me the hard sciences what you're doing you know because there's so many variables. The three body problem phys except the three million body problem in human psychology. And sociology, and so on. Not to mention, take it back historically, and then you have a block of a gazillion variables you have to control for. Here's another weird one that I picked up from your book. Weird. People have flat feet, impoverished microbiomes, high rates, of Myopia, an unnaturally low levels of exposure to parasites like helmets, whatever those are, which may increase their risk of heart disease in allergies. So you even identify some of those physical characteristic differences. That's. So one of the of which is published a special issue on this in which there's a paper by Dan Lieberman and Mike Gerber, kind of detail all this the assumption has always been well our psychology plastic. So maybe you know maybe that's why you're seeing the psychological variation, but it's not hard biology, but it turns out if you look at things like people's feet that develops in, it depends on what the social technologies are. So shoes make a big difference and it causes you to get flat feet and it does other things to your feet whereas. If don't shoes like most humans do throughout history, you get different foot development. Able to run bare feet barefoot and sponge other downstream. The helmets we grew, we evolved in a world where we had lots of parasites around. So these are kind of intestinal parasites and our biology may have color evolved with those citizens Mike Urban, idea and others. And that that we one of the things that may lead to high heart disease in the industrialized societies is that you know we've been parasite free now for decades. Nobody people don't go around with lots of parasites and that's interesting because it may suggest. Ways of treating it like maybe there's a way to get the benefits of the parasites without having to. Sites which is Rivera unpleasant. Had many myself. I do. So human biology varies a lot to are visual thing if if you if you grow up as a kid reading, your is calibrating away such that you get myopic Myopia But if you if you never read which most people did not human history, you don't get that. Way You mentioned the that the reading literacy and in theory of mind. I wrote about those early studies in in the moral arc. But I haven't seen if there's been follow up of those have been replicated that is people that read high literature are better able to read. The emotions in pictures of people's mouth and is at the it was and and therefore literacy leads to this kind of analytical thinking and and and better able to in away kind of a moral flynn effect where you you we've gotten better morally at projecting ourselves into somebody. Else's mind to see what it would feel like if we did that to them kind of a golden rule thing. What's the latest? Yeah. So I Will I dipped into that when I was writing that prelude chapter and it seems to me what the what the evidence where the evidence is. Good is the correlation. So people who engage in read more fiction are better at doing empathy that seems to hold the tricky part is the experimental stuff. So they've tried to kind of like prime people or kind of do kind of smaller scale experiments where they tried to get people to be. Either more empathetic or less empathetic by reading some fiction and answering the questions and those seem to be a bit dodgy So not all those replicate. So I mean what we really need is the is the big study where you you have to groups in you randomly assigned one group reads a lot of fiction and other group reads like technical manuals, and then you give him empathy tests on on after a semester or something, but then. Right, maybe we don't know the which direction the causal Arrow points on that. Could be it could be that people self select into they like reading fiction because they're they are good. Empathize irs I'm in my bed is that probably does have some effect but the data still equivocal Right in a in one of those studies made a distinction between hustle high literature like reading Jane austen novel where there's a lot of kind of Meta. Analysis of you know he said that she thought that he went and he liked her and it sorta much more complicated than reading some lowbrow. Say you know trash Rosemont man's books or something like that. I don't know if anybody's following up on on different kinds of literature that affects. Yeah I I didn't run across any kind of anyone making that distinction in recently. Yeah. Okay couple of things actually I know you're. Going over an hour, you're you have a lot of other interviews to do but. A couple of things I like to ask biologists and people that are doing the kind of work you do groups election. Do you need group selection? What are your thoughts on group selection? It emerged it. It gets resurrected every ten years or so and and there seems to be no resolution on that. I think that the the big distinction I'd like to make is between genetic group Selection Cultural Group selection. Okay. So Genetic Group selection humans are well mixed and especially the way humans expanded and compete when one group defeats and other group they. Often you know, will kill all the men and take the women in which is going to cause massive remixing the. So at the level of genetic group selection, it doesn't seem very likely to me the current The key statistic would be F. S. T. genetic FASD's don't look like they would support very much genetic group selection, but at a cultural level cultural is in heritage and transmitted in a different way. So if migrants come into a cultural group bill acquired the local culture and especially the children will be indistinguishable. Think of accents or something like that will be indistinguishable from the rest of the group unlike jeans where the kids would have the genes of the parents and you can't just over right those way you can in culture and people use conformity and things like that when they're learning and cultural groups so cultures can be much more like units. When we calculate cultural F s tease, which is the key statistic. It looks it's really big. It's much bigger than we see with genetic evolution, and then of course, we have lots of historical examples where one cultural group because of its institutions, the technologies afforded by those institutions that are able to spread at the expense of that. So in the secret of our success I, go through lots of cases of the expansion of one cultural group amongst hunter gathers at the expense. Of other cultural groups who had different situations. So I think. So so I guess I have a mix position, which is I don't think genetic groups elections very likely I do think cultural munching probably important facts. What about things like music dance even language perhaps as a a kind of a byproduct of bringing groups together making them more socially unified stronger against other groups doesn't have to be genetic group selection. Or. You know the debate is music this a adaptation or is it a a cheesecake is keeping your calls it an accidental byproduct, a Spaniel as it were. Yes so I think that both can be true. So it could be that it's a kind of cheesecake. He thing people like it they do it in ways that appeal to other. So that's great but it certainly the case there's a lot of evidence when you do a communal ritual and people dance rhythmically and they match each other's body patterns and you can use, you can use music to sink that up. They get more cooperative, they get more bonded they become. Socially and I think lots of societies have used those communal rituals. To build solidarity, and so they could be culturally groups elected. There seemed to be a lot of rituals built around building solidarity amongst groups and creating bond with more distant groups. So these AIDS set rituals, lots of hunter gathers have where you bring young men together and you put him through these terrifying rights and that seems to bond those men gives them bonds that persists after they split back up on. So it's possible that it's both cheesecake, and then it can be harnessed by my this Intergroup competition by cultural evolution. Yeah. Yeah. As you know David Sloan Wilson has an argument. Well, he he likes the group selection, but again, it can be cultural. I think for his these is to hold that religions are kind of a bonding. Effect. Socially that leads to more cooperation and keeps the breaks on too much competition. And I also want to ask you about. The decline of violence on of course, you know Steve Pinker big book on that. The better angels of our nature, but also Richard. Wrangham. Recent work on self domestication that you know we we moved away from being more chimp like in our violence and more. Let's say Bonobo like because of this self domestication process give us your thoughts on on on that big pictures into the big history thinker. Sure. So in in my previous Book Twenty fifteen book the secret of our success there's a chapter called self domestication and there I make the case that the self domestication process that my colleague. Wrangham. Describes was actually initiated by the evolution of social norms. So you break social norm like food sharing or like you know exploiting someone else in your group stealing from them, you get a bad reputation and then people punish you in various ways they might disassociate with you might actually be to. And this, this is a process where you know if you're too aggressive, much reactive aggression, you don't comply with the social norms you get selected out and so Rangan. Goes through you know executions in various kind, the extreme end neo this process. But so that suggested it's a real force, and so I think one of the reasons that humans are docile were able to live in large groups interact with each other in ways that other species aren't is because we have went through this gene culture collaboration process where the norms that. Suppressed violence in required certain kinds of behavior and then people who didn't comply got punished in various ways. And that led to this self-medication process. Yeah. One of the eye-opening books I read researching the Moral Arc was Christopher bums book on the moral origins, the origins of Mariah forget what it. Was, but he has that database of our hunter gatherer groups handle bullies and and free riders and and and really psychopaths and. And and man that's crazy where they take the last step you take the guy out for hunt and you come back without him but but but it shows how hard it is. How hard it is to kill somebody capital punishment essentially, how hard is to kill somebody especially if they're a big nasty psychopathic bully and therefore you need twelve or so guys all pile. Yeah, the whole group and I also kind of diffuses. Any kind of guilt you'd have about killing somebody something like that. Yet. Diffuses guilt. So also with any members of the family want to kind of reply kind or take revenge, they've gotta take revenge. There's not one target yeah. Yeah. Because yeah. So I mean so that that fits into the to what I constructed in the secret of our success. You're my response to your question about Steve's picture is something I take on the new book. So one and I think Steve would agree with this that there was an increase in people's self regulation in interacting with strangers, and so I use that as a decline in murder rate actually used some of the drawing the same sources as Steve show that there's this big decline and murder in your and I think. That's a measure of rising levels of self control in these certain kinds of of social context. So it's a the cultural evolution of this certain psychology and the case I make this is the psychology you need when you have to be. It's the kind of the businessman psychology have to you have to be able to bargain in a peaceful way. You can't be known as a hot head on demand for bed for business basically this domesticates I mean, not not in the genetic sense, but in the Cultural Center favorites greater self-regulation. I loved Steve. Discussion. Of Norbert Elliot's book of the civilizing process. His database was these. These books of of Customs and rules. And norms of you know how you should eat and what you should dress and how you should behave around other people. Basically, our ancestors were just slobs they were pigs they were just kinda uncouth and that you know that that using utensils or not urinating in front of other people and not having sex in front of a bunch of people, all these kinds of things they seem kind of trivial now because we take it for granted but you know Steve Argument is that this teaches self control sort of delay of gratification you know wait for the fifteen minutes, he get the two marshmallows. Marshmallow test been tested in some of these other non Western cultures and and the kids are less likely to wait the fifteen minutes to get the second marshmallow. Well, it's it is it is variable. Show there are some there's some cross cultural extensions of the marshmallow test that some African societies the kids will wait even longer. So. There's interesting cultural variation although in general, there seems to be a mapping between the marshmallow test and he's other member of these other measures of willingness to defer gratification. And there's a quite a bit of of variation around the world on that. Interesting. Well as Walter Michelle himself pointed out if if you grow up in a homeware. There's a bunch of kids, and if you wait the extra fifteen minutes, you're not, there's not going to be any marshmallows left. So you could be a strategy delaying gratification is the worst thing you could do. It'd be. Yeah. Yeah. So and you know families were shrinking in Europe For various reasons, but even by fifteen hundred, your your pet relatively small families and later marriage. So you kids were going up in in a world with fewer siblings. Yeah. Okay last big big picture question were we're going to colonize Mars probably in our lifetime and will become a multi planetary species in the next century or two and and you know thousand years from now we may have these founder populations on different astronomical bodies, not just planets but moons and and who knows maybe in a million years from now, we'll have colonize the Milky Way Galaxy and and and have branched off into multiple homo species. The lessons you tell people to take to Mars to start off with from your research like we structure a new society we're. Going to start. Brand new. What would you? What would you recommend Ilan take his with his engineers ORC NASA or whoever? That would. Here's what I would recommend because I think institutional design very difficult but I would take Darwinian approach in. So I would suggest that we try a whole bunch of different vary we set up different groups And we let them pick their own institution on. Then we will look and see which ones work, and then we keep transferring the ones that work until we create new combinations of better institutions. So variation selection system, I like the oft figure over. Yeah. Yeah. As long as everybody has air and water. Beds. That Yeah I mean I can imagine somebody say five hundred years from now or a thousand years from now saying Oh democracy Oh. Yeah. We tried that for a while but we came up with this much better thing in here it is and it's like, oh. Why didn't we think of that? Yeah I mean we don't know how the technology you know. At some point we're all going to be interconnected. I don't know. So there could be a whole new world we can't imagine. Yeah. Well Joseph. Thanks for writing this book. Thanks for your work I'm a longtime fan what what can you possibly do to top this this massive tone? This massive isn't work you did. What's what? What what what are you think about I? The only thing on the main thing I'm thinking about these days is is and Matt. Really just wrote a great one but a book on innovation and I think I have some things to say about the collective by called the collective brain. So this is the idea that the key to invention is having a large interconnected society Yeah. Matt was just on the on the gas super interesting stuff about. Innovation really works. It doesn't really match the models that we developed through the patent system. Say you that that that awards you know the great man model of of history. And even had a funny story because I made a we were talking about intellectual property rights and I said, well, if someone like. J. K. Rowling writes a novel about talking owls or whatever you know. That's her invention. You know somebody can't just rip it off and he said, oh, talking house there's a long history of that in literature like Oh. So she got that from somebody else. And there's almost nothing new under the sun. Every little bit has already been done. Everything is. Taken from here and I think that's one of the great contributions of spoke showing the power of that recombination l.. There's there's very few individuals who really stand out. there. If you think of them is just drawing on other sources. Yeah. Very good. Let Joseph again for your time and thanks for your work. All right. act. Michael and a son.

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The Fate of the World in 2020 (with Ian Bremmer)

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The Fate of the World in 2020 (with Ian Bremmer)

"Hey Stay tuned listeners. On Wednesday February fifth. I'll be live in New York City with GOP political consultant. Rick Wilson to talk about my book doing justice which just came out in paperback. Of course there will be plenty of other things to discuss to get your tickets before it's too late at symphony space dot org. That's symphony space dot org from cafe. Welcome to stay tuned. I'm pre- BERRARA. I think that there is a pretty high likelihood that we will go through elections in November and there will be a winner and we will not know if that person is going to be president in twenty one because relatively high likelihood of that. That's an bremmer. He's the founder and President of Eurasia Group leading global political risk and research firm. Bremmer is also the president of a media which features videos short explainers and podcasts. That helped break down complex geopolitical events in two thousand one bremmer launched the world's first global political risk index a list of stability ratings for emerging market countries and each year. Eurasia group publishes their list of the top risks threatening our world. Burma join me last year to talk about the top risks twenty nineteen and now. He's back to talk about this year. Twenty twenty which places the upcoming presidential election as the most pressing global threat. Let he'll tell us why we also talk about the technological decoupling of the. US and China uh the atmosphere at the World Economic Forum in Davos and Bremmer twitter spat with President President trump. But first. Let's get to your questions. Stay tuned in this episode of Stay tuned with pre is brought to you by progressive drivers switched to progressive progressive and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance. Get a quote at Progressive Dot Com to see how much you could be saving. Note that the average I quoted above is based on national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey who saved with progressive in twenty nineteen this election season. You may want to make sure you're getting information directly from the source so go deep direct and unfiltered with C. Span get an unfiltered view of politics with C. Span's campaign twenty twenty on the C.. Spend television networks on the C. SPAN APP or online at C. Span Dot. Org make up your own mind with C. Span's campaign twenty twenty. Hi My name's Adam from Chicago loved the show. My question for you is about semantics and the president has been impeached the articles of obstruction of Congress and abuse of power but still I hear political commentators and Republicans. Say That or they debate that those. Those are not impeachable but the president has been impeached on those counts. So my question is what is the semantics here because I can easily see Adam Schiff saying something like well. He's been impeached for those so they are obviously impeachable but I take it to mean that those political commentators and Republicans are saying that he shouldn't be convicted on those. So what is the proper wording for something that is impeachable and has yet to be determined for whether or not it's invited. Help me out with your wording. Here thank you very much for that. He had him. Thanks for your question and I think you get right to the heart of it in terms of semantics. I think a lot of people conflict the two things confused the two things impeachment and conviction for the parallel that people make to ordinary criminal practices actresses that impeachment just the first phase in the same indictment where the bringing of an accusation through a grand. Jury is the first phase in a traditional criminal case the most important part then is the judgment is rendered or not rendered in the face in fairness to the people who call certain kinds of conduct unimpeachable notwithstanding the fact that president trump has been impeached by very very lopsided vote on partisan lines in the house in fairness to those people. I guess they could say yeah. We understand that as a fact he was impeached. But it's not conduct for which she should have been impeached so they can still maintain their opposition to it in fact a huge number of house. Republicans by their vote said it was unimpeachable conduct but yes. I think you're correct that when people are making these arguments now that were in the Senate phase the trial phase. That what they're meaning to say is that this does not rise to the level of conviction and removal and just to go go back to a point that I think bears repeating as many times as one is able to repeat it because it's a fundamental defense of Donald Trump put forward by a lot of his supporters his lawyers in particular Alan Dershowitz that one reason this conduct is not impeachable or not conduct for which he should be. Convicted and removed is at the articles of impeachment have to set forth and explicit explicit crime. Like something from the Criminal Code for a lot of reasons that we've discussed on stay tuned in on the inside or podcast that is not so among other things by the way that people were. You're saying well. You can't actually have impeachment or even conviction on the idea of abuse of power. They may be forgetting that. They were articles of impeachment both against Nixon and against Clinton Clinton that were styled as abuse of power and set forth in actual criminal violation. Question comes in an email from Dave. Who's WHO's asking about a New York Times piece written by cocktail Joshua Seltzer and Mickey Edwards? Call John Roberts can call witnesses to trump's trial will he and Dave's question is. I would like to hear your thoughts. The articles premise of John. Roberts having much more powers to direct the trial than the public has been made aware of and that the Senate needs two-thirds majority to overrule him. If this is all true it looks to be a game changer and puts John in the driver's seat whether he likes it or not. Thank you so I think it's an interesting article. And the three gentlemen who are very very smart people in very experienced people bill and have a lot of experience with constitutional law and with John Roberts and you may have seen that our very own L. E. Hoenig former colleague of mine from Sdn y wrote a piece on the powers of John. Roberts concert in the cafe brief last week. If you haven't seen it you can find it a cafe dot com slash brief. So the way I think about this is not through a legal lens and their arguments. It's to be made as these folks have made the John. Roberts can assert various powers if he wants and their varying arguments about what it would take to overrule John Roberts. But the fact of the matter is that it's up to John Roberts to decide to assert various authorities that he arguably has and it's not clear slam dunk that he has those powers and I don't think it's a clear slam dunk that the Senate needs two thirds thirds to overrule him. Remember by the way that the only precedent in the last century and a half for a trial of this nature of the President States was twenty one years ago when the presiding supreme in court chief justice William Rehnquist who by the way. Incidentally John Roberts clerked for after law school and Chief Justice Rehnquist and presiding over the Clinton impeachment trial aside from the flourish of wearing certain stripes on his black robe did not take an active role. It does not seem to be in the temperament of John Roberts to assert himself in a a major way and weigh in on a dramatic conflict. About who should be called in a relevant witnesses when the rules of the Senate provide for that being done by votes in the Senate. He doesn't seem like like the kind of person who's GonNa take that kind of activist position especially when the relevant precedent from twenty one years ago of his mentor and former boss is one of being relatively reserved. And by the way you've seen in the last week that there have been opportunities for John Roberts to assert himself in maybe derail a line of argument and he has not done so as far as I could tell aside from one post one. AM admonition to the parties to be civil on the first day. He's been pretty much quiet. There'll be another opportunity in the next couple of days during the question period to see John. Roberts is the kind of the justice presiding at the Senate. Trial wants to assert himself a little bit more well. Short of making a decision about relevance of future witnesses. But what's going to happen over the next couple of days. Is it's going to be chief. Justice Roberts Roberts reciting questions written by senators and putting them to the trump lawyers and to the house managers now in an ordinary courtroom. You would expect the judge who is in command of the proceedings feedings after asking a question pen by Senator and receiving a response that was less than adequate or off. Point or full of distraction might ask a follow up worded in his own language. I've seen judges do that at trial all the time. Will he do that. I doubt it. I don't think Rehnquist did. And so if you're not gonNA see John Roberts taking an active role in policing the questioning and doing follow up questioning than with all due respect to these folks who've written about the power. The John Roberts can assert even able. I don't think he's willing to assert it. I remember also so you know John. Roberts may take seriously that the Senate has the sole power of impeachment. It's really not a digital process and there's also the embarrassment to himself and the institution the court arguably if he does assert himself more and make some controversial decision and then does get overruled again and again and again and it's not the kind of thing I think John Roberts wants to stick his neck out for but I could be wrong. I WANNA address one more issue with respect to the impeachment trial. And it's something that broke last night media outlets began reporting that Mitch McConnell the Senate Majority Leader announced to the caucus that he did not have the votes. What's yet to forestall the calling of witnesses and as you may remember there needs to be if all democrats vote for witnesses or particular witnesses? They still need four Republican senators to join join them. There's a possibility that Mitt Romney will especially with respect to John. Bolton is possible Susan Collins well maybe Lisa Murkowski if all those three vote for John Bolton for example they still need one more and so there was a lot of celebrating on the part of folks who think that a fair trial requires witnesses and the polls show that seventy or seventy five percent of Americans think that trials L. should have witnesses and common sense tells you that every trial should have witnesses history tells you that of all fifteen impeachment trials ever held in the Senate each and every one of them had witnesses. I remember impeachment. Trials don't only occur with respect to the president they can occur with respect to lower officers including judges to they. Don't get as much attention. But there's always been witnesses. I would just caution people. On how savvy and Smart Mitch. McConnell is and it may be in fact true that at the time. He made those statements. He couldn't be quite assured that he had enough Republicans in line to avoid witnesses being called but also could be a ploy that I've seen Mitch McConnell used before both from a distance and close to put the fear of God in Senators Senators in his caucus who are thinking of straying from the pack and voting in favor of witnesses so that knowing vote on those things not going to happen for one two or three days it. It gives the opportunity for people who are supportive of the president. United States to put pressure on those senators to get in line. And it's rare Mitch. McConnell is not able to keep his folks online so i. I don't think notwithstanding that admission by Mitch McConnell yesterday notwithstanding common sense in that were standing principles of fairness. I think it's not a foregone conclusion whatsoever that we're GONNA win in this. Not even John Bolton their articles as I walked into the studio today that I looked at that suggested the White House is making a very very strong argument to senators not on principles of fairness but in the the interest of time and politics that they should vote against witnesses making the argument as I understand it that once they opened the door to a witness or two witnesses that the proceedings in the Senate will drag on for weeks or months approaching the time of the election. Because they'll be protracted court fights about executive privilege other things betting on the idea the senators who especially those who are up for reelection in November of this year. Don't want that they want this done. They want this finished. And maybe it's the lesser of two evils for them even electorally to take a bad vote. Okay behind us and hope people have moved onto other things. By the time we get to November. Those are the arguments that are being made. I don't know if they have forced or wait with respect to enough senators remains to be seen. And maybe this will be answered before this podcast even airs. But I think it's a very fluid situation with respect to witnesses. Look in the same way by the way it calls to mind a little bit in the final L. Moments of the hearing for the confirmation of justice. Breyer Cavanaugh. There was this question about whether or not there should hear from someone else or not and that the very last minute Jeff Flake. If memory serves words decide that they should extend the confirmation hearing at the end of the day. The vote was still the same as what people predicted. Br Cavanaugh was confirmed in. That may also happen here that a vote for acquittal still seems all but assured. Even if there's a brief hiccup here in the plans and Mitch McConnell basically the White House argument to senators is something like this is a Pandora's doors boxer opening and it may seem well and good and nice and logical to say as a matter of principle. There should be witnesses. And maybe John Bolton to testify but then we're going to have a fight about Joe Biden and then we're gonNA have a fight about Hunter Biden and then the Democrats and the house. Managers are GonNA fight over Mick Mulvaney and some other people from the Office of Management and Budget The O. M. B. and it's just going to be a mess. I mean what you should avoid the mess into shut this thing down. You know of course. Part of the is question of a witness trade which I've never heard of before obviously in any normal proceeding both sides have the ability to call witnesses and should call witnesses but they need to be relevant. They're not gonNA rehash all the reasons. Why join hundred not relevant into the question of the guilt of Donald Trump with respect to the articles of impeachment and his State of mind? Because you're not at all but since going back to an earlier question chief justice. John Roberts is not asserting turning himself in any way shape or form on what is relevant or what is not at a trial. It doesn't matter. I mean I heard Joe Manchin. Who's from West Virginia where there are a lot of trump supporters openly? Consider the possibility of Hunter Biden being irrelevant witness. So these things are being decided not just on the merits not just on the rules of evidence. They're being decided based on political considerations and efficacy considerations. And so we'll see but I think the driving narrative of having a trial to decide the guilt or innocence of Donald Trump on the articles of impeachment with no witnesses being called looks absolutely terrible for the president and his supporters. And I think that's the reason why you're getting. Some Republicans gins wavering. Maybe not enough. Maybe not any but at least contemplating some Middle Road so they can make the argument to constituents that it was somewhat of a fair process and they could get on with it because it will look ridiculous if this trial comes to a close without hearing from John Bolton and then John Bolton goes on his book tour in six weeks and says all these things that might have borne on the guilt or innocence of Donald Trump as he just looks terrible and they know it Stay tuned there's more coming up right after this election season is upon us. Starting with the Iowa caucuses only days away after that the New Hampshire primary than Nevada in South Carolina. And Will you get the point and the only podcast that covers election news every single day. His election ride home for the last six months. 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He's the president and founder founder of Eurasia Group A risk research firm at the forefront of predicting global threats. He's a busy guy. Along with assessing risk. He's also the host of the podcast. G Zero World with Ian Ian Bremmer an author and editor at large and Foreign Affairs columnist at Time magazine. Bremmer joins me to talk about the Eurasia Group. Top risks for twenty twenty. What's number one United States politics? And it's the first time that a domestic. US issue has ever occupied the top spot. We also talked about the long-term risks of China's economic ascendance fly war with Iran is probably not on the immediate horizon and his view in why trump might actually be a globalist. That's coming up. Stay tuned in Bremmer. Thanks for being back on the show for your man. That's what they all say they. Let's let's see how the interview goes. Okay five so I mean I'm back so you're back or back. I mean took a year for me to get up the courage to have you back so you have your new top risks report. We're GONNA get to that in a minute but I want to ask you about where you've been recently. I understand that you have recently returned from Davos a couple of days ago where they have what's called the World Economic Comic Forum so describe what Davos is like because those of us who have never been never been invited you know. Wonder are the fountains of champagne or their truckloads truckloads of caviar everywhere. You Go. It's three thousand people. Delegates who are all principles of their various organizations their decision and makers or in Davos parlance stakeholders and. They're going there primarily because they can get their time as their most valuable resource and they don't given that they don't care how much they pay to improve the efficiency of their time and they get more done with that concentration of other stakeholders in five days and they can probably do in a month anywhere. Who Else Having said that and also a constellation of hangers on who have an economy of being close to people who make decisions earning power. And that's an interesting testing thing that people that are outside the Congress Center but nonetheless find this very important you try. That's grey zone great economy but perhaps the most interesting thing about Davos is that it's been going on for fifty years now now and for most of the History Davos the explicit ideology of the place which is promoting globalization and globalism. So the idea that you know. It's good for everyone. Everyone to take advantage of more and more open borders free trade you know sort of free migration and free market for fifty years. Mostly that has been a resurgence. It's an increasingly dominant ideology. That is clearly not true anymore. And it's not true in part because elites in the West or seen as increasingly nefarious by their own populations and it's also not true because a lot of other countries especially China are building alternative architecture to what is all about and so that made read this forum. Much more let's say challenged in. Its self-satisfaction Then why do you go. Well I go because if you're in the kind of business that I'm in which is trying to understand how the world works from a content ten perspective you're talking to a whole bunch of people that otherwise you'd have to travel an immense amount to get to see all of them and also because so many of the people that are relevant to my business businesses there from a client perspective as well so I mean five days of Davos is really. It's there's no other place like it in a good way in a bad way in a strange way in a stimulating way. How much diversity of opinion is there? There's there's less diversity of opinion than you'd like I mean these are people from Singapore New York. London Moscow heck I was with the Minister of Finance from Zimbabwe Bob Way but who had a foreign western to advanced degree who have vastly more in common with each other than they usually do with people that live five miles down the road in their own countries countries. And that is a big part of the problem That we have in the world today so fascinated criticism of of the World Economic Forum The World Economic Forum is a platform their ability to move. The discourse is dramatically less. They tried to this year invited Greta Thunberg. She was there and she was this got a lot of attention. They put climate as the dominant issue on the public agenda. How Greta Thunberg received Well L. A. as a spectacle. Mostly everyone was interested in swarming her and getting their photo of her. And all that kind of thing but if you ask you know in terms of climate it agenda The average wealth delegate is much more aligned with Donald trump than they are with Greta Thunberg and that is an unfortunate reality reality but one that needs to be remark upon and that is less the fault of the wealth than is the reality of what global elites and decision makers are all about. And why we're in this pickle with climate to begin with so donald trump went second time. Yeah how was he received and how was his speech in particular received. The only applause line got was when he promised that he was going to be a part of this trillion tree thing where I think he liked it just because it's a really big number. You know trump. He doesn't say trillion very very often. Sometimes he says gazillion he could say gazillion. But that's not a real number but trillion unless you WANNA talk about the US debt. It's very hard to bring trillions right. So this was exciting for him. He didn't supplies and otherwise. But but when you left the speech and you know the speech was kind of remarkable I mean. There was an enormous amount of exaggeration but it was also basically on script. He didn't Ad-lib we didn't do a lot of stuff on impeachment all that no and no one talked about impeachment all week and that was not a big topic. There wasn't at all at all at all you also wrote that. The attendees at the World Economic Forum vis year were less hostile to or less perplexed by or some other verb donald trump than they were two years ago clearly true. How is that come to pass? Well one. Because a lot of The statements he made about free trade which really concern them. Two years ago They now see as either not having much of fist inside the glove or having been resolved in their favor. US Mexico Canada US China Phase One Japan South Korea even even the EU which is the proximate danger. Both sides took a pretty significant. Step away over the course of the last few weeks for imminent tariffs and that's something that's probably the principal issue that most attendees would have a significant problem with trump obviously like his tax policies. They obviously like his regulatory rollback. I mean he's been business friendly You know you you have more significant if you go back to three years ago. When he first became president there were very few Democrats that believed that the economy would be doing as well today as it is after three years of trump? The beneficiaries of those sets of policies are largely the people that attend the World Economic Forum. So I suppose it should not be surprising prizing even if it might be a little disturbing that most of them are much more comfortable with trump winning a second term and believe he will than they would be certainly with Bernie Me Sanders Elizabeth Warren but frankly many of them even some of those center but further left candidates that are plausible from the democratic side. It's going back to what you were saying earlier about the lack of diversity there and how maybe the World Economic Forum is less relevant and less influential than it was because the domestic populations of some of the folks who go there have a different different point of view than they might have a few years ago. Only do. We need a Davos do we. WHO's we the world I don't I mean it's hard to say it's hard to say it. Has it outlasted. Its influence it's certainly outlasted. Its monopoly global influence right. I mean that that's true. I mean it was in some ways. The organization that put out some of the ideas that were no dominant among global thinkers for a long time that were received wisdom. And I don't think that's true anymore and I think they're aware of that but you know let's also recognized that no matter what the agenda of dubose may be whether it's climate or inequality polity or a I in the fourth industrial revolution which was coined by Claude Schwab that term which is also freighted with ideology. The people that are going there are actually most interested assisted in making sure that their businesses successful and frankly an organization that helps to ensure that the profitability ability and productivity of the private sector is high on balance is something that is good for the world if you also have global global governance structures that are regulating those companies. Those private sector's effectively. If you have social contracts that actually work. So I'm an unbalanced. I want companies to do better as opposed to worse I because companies that are doing worse are not thinking about how they can share wealth how they can spend on things that will help the rest of the world. There's GonNa be a lot less focus on climate when we're downcycle economically Mickley than when we're in upcycle economically. We need to understand that but what I think is broken is much deeper than just talking about the World Economic Forum. It's much more failure of governance. That's what I would say last Davos. Is it odd that Donald Trump seeks to go there with great fanfare given that he is. I believe in his own words by his speeches ages anti-globalists whatever that means anti elitist. Whatever that means here you have a collection of arguably elitist globalists'? Well he says he's anti mainstream media media to you know but he loves being on he needs to be on needs donner every day. So first of all the fact that this is where the attention of the Western media is going to be concentrated. The most for those five days means that if he's not there he's not getting as much attention so it's not in any way a surprise that it is important for him to be there he you may not like the elites but he desperately craves their attention their adulation and frankly to be one of them right so I'm not suggesting that's the weird thing right. He desperately wants to be a part of these cultures and circles that sometimes rejected including the mainstream media right and again. He's fundamentally much more of a globalist in both his history his business activities his media activities and now his policies then people like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth. Warren I mean if it may be ah in terms of his personal character. His upbringing his vulgarity. He's not Davos man he's not the doesn't behave in the way one should act. He's not good with tea sandwiches right but but maybe a point in his favor. Well he's more big Mac than teeth. Temperatures in Davos his sandwiches than big MACs. I don't think there isn't the materials Dabo's well I grew up in the projects and I'm glad that I'm not thorough anymore. So I mean you talk t- sandwiches or something in between such shack. No no I mean like I actually. I WANNA eat healthy. Frankly I I mean not sandwiches but I'm probably more like Sushi chicken soup. I mean just I want to know where my food came from processes not good for my pursue. She in the chicken soup that could work. Those are two different things. Those could be the same. I mean there's rice you know if you WANNA throw some fishing in any way surprised. That trump is aligned with those anyway surprised. The Davos folks are more comfortable with trump than they wanted to admit and that Greta was you know a nice shiny objects but at the end of the day is kind of going to be a sad bump in the road for where the private sector and the public sector speeding ahead but get to the Senate. We're not having fun. You were just very seriously and I feel like we need to be. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Have Toffler Flint. Davos things to mock you about really since you last time mocking me. I'M GONNA suffer. You have a lot of buttons on your shirt on done for example if two who right now that seems to be twice as many as necessary you drive time and Bremmer here callers. So top risks. Twenty twenty this. Could you remind folks because maybe not everyone listened to the last episode from a year ago give dodgy do pull these out of your but do you have spies when you have metrics. I mean you a good job of setting forth some pros beneath each of these risks and they sound plausible to me. But how do you think about doing this very quickly. Then we'll get to what you think. The the top risks. Our methodology is impact of risk imminence of risk likelihood of risk. The three of those things put together for the year and risk to whom to what risk to the global macro environment global macro economy And the global macro political stability those two things together We have about two hundred people in the firm they spend months. It's all putting together. Their ideas click options chairman for myself lead the process It goes to a lot of rations guttering floor. Most importantly is when it comes out which we've keep it on our homepage the whole damn ear and the end of the year we go back and we see how we've done. I think it's really important that we do something like hold your so last year. You were a little my recollection snus. You were a little bit of the view that lots of folks were overly scared and being crybabies and the country was great in the world was great and stop your whining. Winging everything's GonNa be fine and I and I was a little bit more apprehensive about the world and you seem to be a little bit more apprehensive Fisher. I more apprehensive looking forward to twenty twenty but I think for two thousand nineteen. I think we were on the money. We were much less concerned That things like North Korea. We're GONNA blow up it. Wasn't everyone risk last year A number one risky the funny thing numberless said she was something we call bad seeds and we said there are lots of these big structural geopolitical problems that are being sown wound for longer term harvest. But actually there aren't a lot of risks that are gonNA come out this year so it was the first time that the top risk of the year was kind kind of misdirection was telling people that all the headlines out. There really aren't about this year and the fact that the markets were record highs at the end and the fact that you went through the mullet report. Not a hell of a lot happened the fact that you go to Davos and everyone's still comfortable. I'm deeply concerned about the long term political trajectories of many things that are happening not just in the US but in the world is a whole got more of the world's a whole but not for twenty nineteen. And I. I actually think we came up pretty well. So can we talk about one thing quickly. That's not in here issue that I've been starting to worry about 'cause I were about. I'm one of these people who worries about dread disease pandemics. Yeah so corona virus. That's very troubling to me and to my family into a lot of folks. Can you say something about that. Yeah definitely yeah so I want to say something very brought about that. which is that even if the U. S. China relationship was good and it's not the fact that China is on track to being the world's largest economy is assertively? It's a good thing for China. It's a really only bad thing for the world in ways. That should be obvious to people number one. It is a middle income economy right which means for example they need a lot more coal for energy. That's bad for the climate right. I mean these are people that all they don't have cars yet they want cars. They don't eat meat yet. They WANNA have improved western type hype diets so their carbon footprint is gonNA increase massively. We don't trust their data. Their governance is bad. You know there are so many things they don't have rule of law. I mean the when the United States was was it that level income our governance was not very good. You know you. Just don't focus more on. Higher Hierarchies of Maslow's triangle when you're trying trying to get your people just basic food on the table and part of the global middle class and the corona virus is a big piece of this. I mean the reason that it's exploding in China is is because they have a bigger economy with people that travel all over the country and all over the world but a lot of their people still engage in practices lack of health quality lack of hospitals lack of data lack of political responsibility that befits a country that is not in the first world. And so that's a serious problem with the same aim. Corona virus was happening in Japan or the United States. I probably wouldn't have happened because they would have had much better ways to have stopped. That disease from transmitting itself from animals to human beings things but secondly if it happened we'd have much better capacity to identify it recognized and stop it and we don't with China so never mind the fact that they're the communists in their state capitalists and they're you know authoritarian the simple fact that China is going to be the largest economy in the world means that our understanding of global governance is going to become worse more risky more problematic more volatile more uncertain and the corona virus is a part of that part of the reason why our our number two and number three risks in the world for twenty twenty this year. China is precisely that reason. Why do you have to because one of them has to do with the decoupling of the? US and China technological systems from each other in that are really those are global ramifications that the rise of a virtual Berlin Wall determining will the U K still use five G. as a consequence while the so-called special relationship breakdown with the US and very much more limited possibilities of US UK trade deal and other countries so the reason is what often the risk of one it's that globalization follows a very different trajectory which means constraints on the possibility of global market exposure sure global growth all of that and the growth of a global tech war where we each kind of undermined the other side where the third risk which is about. US China relations has more to do with the constellation of other things that the US and China find problematic about each other. You've been rights with hongkong-taiwan East. China Sea done that under so so we could have squished them together and made them one massive risk about us. China constellation. We stay that we thought that would be too complicated. Frankly and you need to ten. We could have had another one. I mean believe me there were other risks that hit cutting so with respect to the South Africa's not in here crazy. They were kind of eleven with respect to these two different risk categories relating to China. How do you explain? I've had that matters to the average American. Well I mean as you saw for Mike Pompeo the other day the average American doesn't care about Ukraine Can't find on a map. He doesn't think that. NPR finally map which was a lie. And I know that woman you carry around on mark maps. Who who does? Who does that mean? Does that mean you know Mike Pompeo. I've met him I don't know yeah did he. Did he give you a geography quiz. He did not though. I've been in the White House before they've showed me maps and I've asked you definitely definitely all the way up to the top. Be Think I would say of the people that would definitely but in all the way to top. 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Yeah I think the issue is that China creates whether it's around cyber governance or around around pandemic modeling or it's around even a big sudden series of bankruptcies that they weren't aware of couldn't handle been secret about I simply put China's going to be outside on these riskless for these systemic reasons like we weren't aware that corona virus a few weeks ago was was about to show show up on the field. I'll say one thing that should be surprised. In People's right before this report came out Sulamani was assassinated and yet Iran is not a top risk here. Because you you call Iran a red herring right appear at the top of my notes. Yeah see this. Corona virus is ballsy. Call right and then I also call could be a shitty call. I don't think so. I think we're going to go through that but we're going out of order here okay. I didn't tell me you started to mention China. Oh okay so we skipped the first risk risk number one which is the one that's most aligned with you. Well my you know my interests aligned with me but it's the first time you picked wrist like this and the other things on the list are things like as we talked talked about to China Risks India. Very clever India's modified modified. That's very very clever. Do you come up with that. No I didn't actually. I didn't think you did. uh-huh here's mark. I don't think you have the puns in you have climate change on here in have a Shia Crescendo. Discontent and Latin. In America Turkey also care about Turkey but number one is domestic American politics. It is yeah what's going on what's going on but I want you to tell us you think think is going on my folks know what I think. I tell them every week every week every week you refer to look. Let's look at page one. You say generally about all things. James Twenty twenty is a tipping point and then in that context in that frame you refer to the greatest risk number one risk. It's entitled rigged with an exclamation mark followed by a colon which is an odd. You know it's not a good look. It's not a good look. It's punctuation marks rigged exclamation Mark Cohen who governs as A. US Question Mark. There's a lot of. I almost threw an Oxford. It's very promiscuous with your this pissed off every but you don't need a series to put an obstacle that's a beautiful that's very upset. It's very promiscuous use of punctuation. Yeah in a short title unit gone. They're gone that way. No yeah no but when I when I think about you I don't think about a promiscuous use of punctuation. I don't it's the one button supposed to button thing it's more you're more careful. So yeah so the trump right this headline no but that the idea the idea was supposed to look a little bit like trump tweet rigged hoax so wrong you saw you saw what he said trump imprint. You see when he sent me that thing and he's GonNa to come to that. Oh Gee I'm saving that up your your hugest most massive screw up of the year. We're going to talk about it. Mr Ian Bremmer. Your your your your twitter feed in your. We can talk about an hour before I don't want it. This shadowing yes we. We'll talk about the time that Ian Bremmer was tweeted at by the press the United States. You screwed up you screwed up even bigger. I think you apologize for that. Screw up we'll come back to that and I think that's where we're but that's okay. What is the risk with respect to domestic politics here? And why is it such a big deal in your mind because you didn't think so last right last year I did not think the Muller investigation was going to lead to anything I thought the way it was structured. You're not going to be able to show. That trump personally was involved in the Russian effort to engage in influence undermining Monday twenty sixteen election. He has people around him. That certainly did like Manafort. Who's now in prison? But I wasn't really worried about that. This impeachment process. I think is significant. I think it's in fact I'm on the record as saying my personal view is the president should indeed be impeached for abusing impeached and should be convicted and removed and removed. I believe that yes but the fact that that's unlikely to happen. No it's happened. It's not going to snack okay. It's not gonNA happen. Yes it is maybe an odd thing out of formula question and if it were likely to happen yeah how would that affect your perception of the risk in item one. It would go down. Go down because you would have. What Michael Michael Pence as buttoned up Mike Pence is the United States? but for whom ru of laws not going to be an issue. I mean there'd be many policies he might put in place that you might not like that. I I might not like but but the political. Aren't you indirectly saying directly saying that the existence of Donald Trump in the office of the presidency presents perhaps the most massive global risk in twenty twenty because of this upcoming election. Yes in a way that I have not believed that it has put forth such an annual risk the last three years yes. So what do you mean what I mean. Is that impeachment. Each mint is about to be broken as a constraint on the US executive especially this executive in the run up to the twenty twenty elections. I mean he will be acquitted. Despite having clearly abused power in an effort to tilt the election in his favor he has been running for election. He will continue and has ever happened before. That's never happened before and so and I also believe that the election is likely to be close if I thought it was gonna be landslide in either direction I would be less concerned about the US as a risk and part of your concern turn. Is that large swath of the public mess. Forty to forty five percent. No matter what happens away will not find the election to have been legitimate correct and that is the destabilising anything. That's right that combined with just how dysfunctional Congress will be in reaction. I think that there is a pretty high likelihood that we will go through elections in November and there will be a winner and we will not know if that person is going to be president in twenty twenty one because relatively a high likelihood of that and that's clear never been the case or worse than Bushy Gore Bush Gore. I mean even though it went to the Supreme Court it was about a you know a couple hundred votes in Florida. The process that concerns were fairly tightly defined both Bush and Gore were on the sidelines waiting for the outcome for the Supreme Court and even even though the vote was a partisan vote by the Supreme Court Gore was prepared and Bush would've been prepared to accept the outcome either way so he conceded Bush became president. Gordon ever got over over personally but the country moved on the ability for that to happen. This time around. I think it's much lower so let's played out in both directions. Trump loses to whom he loses. That matters in your analysis or not trump loses. He doesn't go quietly into the night. Do you think there's a chance like Michael. Cohen former lawyer said when he testified in front of the Congress that he'll try not to leave it all. I certainly think he will use every mechanism available to him to remain in office even if he loses title see electoral election in a tight election. I think that yes. He would actually try to us he. He will certainly say that it's rigged he will say it's illegitimate Ed who votes being miscast being stolen All the dead people voting he. He's already said that for the last election. He'll say it again. He said he's really won the popular vote last time around. He'll say it again. I expect he would talk about external intervention from Ukrainians conspiracy theories that he and others around him have already been promoting. I mean all of those things. If it's close you could easily bet that he's going to do that and it's not just him saying and doing those things you're starting to get whispers of people in the electorate who if they believe that to be true have been saying some kind of scary things like we're glad we have the guns but do think there's a possibility of significant violence in the country. Unlikely I don't. Oh I'm in the United States is I think much more resilient than that and I think the number of people that are politically really engaged in the US irrespective which way it goes is lower than a a lot of other places complacency is probably high are voting turnout is comparatively low a lot of people talk big but there's not that much terrorism the US not anti-semitism up in ways that are really worrying but total levels of murders in the United States combines actually down right so no. I'm not seriously worried about that. But some one off issues of political violence that response I would expect. You'd see some of that. Some more hate crimes at the. Yeah I would expect so suppose leaves separate from casting aspersions on on legitimacy of the election. I think he's got about seventy seven days between the election and the inauguration Something like something like that right. Are you concerned about other things things that he may do. During that time that will add to global risk. I'm worried more. About all of the efforts. He will take to de legitimize. The outcome it's more about that especially because I I think he's very unlikely to quote unquote wag the dog. This is not a guy who was inclined in any way to use or abuse military power to get the Americans involved in wars to help him right because you I don't think he abused his military power by ordering the Lamont in no way. Do I think that and you have coined this new phrase pet. The dog pet duck the dog. Yeah but sounds sounds dramatic. Yeah what is pet. The dog pet. The dog is that trump's orientation to the extent that he's likely to abuse executive power or for his personal interest against that of the national interest the. US is not about getting into wars. It is about building hotels formulating deals. Whatever those deals might happen happened to be even if he's giving away the store against the interests of the United States to show that he's the best deal maker ever and the potential of him to you know work North Korea Korea in ways that actually undermine us interest long-term but show that he's the guy that deserves the Nobel He tried that with Taleban and the invitation of them on the nine eleven. An anniversary to Camp David. I could see doing that with your audience. Even though the Iranians aren't prepared for negotiations right now certainly he would like to have such negotiations to the extent that trump is going to do something really extraordinarily unusual in the foreign policy side a lot of people on Msnbc have said he's going to bring us into war I I think the likelihood of that is actually extremely low. But it's quite possible that he would try to create deals really long-term aren't good for the American. That's an assessment based on sort of his track record so far statements. He's made or assessment of his psychology. I think it's a little of both but I think the one that I count on the most is track record. It's what he's actually done and what he has tried to do and not been able to do when constrained by adults in his administration so I mean you know it's interesting. He's tried to pull troops out of the Middle East he historically. He's had a hard time with that. Because a lot of people like former Secretary Defense Mattis former national security advisor McMaster others have really stopped him him from doing that. You remember when the drone was taken out That Global Hawk drone hundred thirty million dollars looks like a big bomber by the Iranians Mattis was serving the SECDEF at the time and was trying to convince trump personally. I spoke to Mattis about this to send escort. Fighter jets with with those drones going forward to survey Iran so that the Iranians wouldn't hit the US anymore and trump refused to do it. Why because he didn't WanNa get sucked dragged into a war and and I've seen this consistently from trump over Syria over Libya like in just a bunch of on Venezuela pushing back from Bolton every place that you actually actually get a download from trump's personal intervention when there are debates among his people? It's been I don't want more wars. I WANNA pull our troops out. Let's go back to the election and we've already hypothesized for the purposes of this conversation that trump loses does it matter to whom he loses because difference between Bernie Sanders becoming the next president. Verses Says Amy Klobuchar or someone like that well one is obviously a policy set a policy implications for your purposes in talking about global risk and stability and everything else less than you think legitimacy me so first of all I. I don't see the Democrats having sixty seats in the Senate I think that institutions massively constrained what individual executives lives can actually get done so I worry less about the impact of a sanders or warrant administration on the trajectory of the country. Then perhaps a lot of people in the the business community do go nuts wrong. My God warned becomes president like facebook. FACEBOOK Mark Zuckerberg said that one was an existential threat to facebook. I mean I I think he's lying where I think he's actually lying intentionally but if he's not I mean my God the ignorance is extraordinary right. I mean it just shows a complete misunderstanding of how America works will the world being anyway anyway worse if facebook went away. Well sure I mean a lot of people would lose jobs right and I mean it's a billion people presently. Well yeah a billion people. Plus that are connected to a Western multinational corporation that suddenly went away gives the Chinese so much greater opportunity to fill that space and to have not only companies unease that monetize just as effectively even more but also have that data go up towards them throw Teheran state capitalist country and create more of a surveillance culture from the government and weaken the ability of Western liberal democracies to flourish over time. So yeah I mean you. Don't that's the interesting thing right isn't on the one hand. FACEBOOK is really bad. For Our democracies Aziz on the other hand are tech companies are bulwarks against the Chinese from national security perspective. So how do you deal with both detainees. It's a really problem paradox. Yeah it's a really problematic because you know you don't love the state of affairs right now with these huge social media companies the power they have the ability. They have to choose not to police things that are on the platforms that affect elections. Sion's worry very deeply that all of the people that focus on how problematic social media companies and companies are for. US Democracy aren't talking talking at all. About what the Chinese are doing globally like they have to be those. There's event diagram with people worried about China and people worried about social media and and US democracy or Western democracy. There's virtually no overlap between the two circles have been diagram. That's a really bad place to be because it means you're GonNa get harbor policy and what should be. The overlap should be extensive extensive. Yeah maybe not complete but should be more than fifty percent absolutely so now suppose just kind of fun. That was there was an off ramp that we actually stayed on for a while. Because the one that you liked. See if it's an off ramp you don't like then you kind of so you like dipped too cold for me but you like you like to tell me. You're mixing metaphors now. Is it upon you. You Dip your toe in the offramp that's you. You know what I'm saying is that you need to give me better. Guidance for winning offramp is really meant to be an extensive original. It's organic it is the conversation because sometimes you take off ramps and you end. I've seen the largest share in America a place that otherwise never go right so go my God. There's the largest tournament or Bangor Maine. Yes yes you have. Yeah yeah that's A. You should open another button shirt. It's cold and did you see how organic that was. That was very ganic to your name. Is it the name Babe good job. Okay good babe the Blue Okay. Are you trying to trying to test. Yes my American this. I don't have a map. That doesn't have names on it so I thought I would try something. We should probably spend more time on that map. We should because I point out Ukraine. Let's be clear I might be close. I mean I've I've gone back and checked and I've studied maps. I was talking to somebody who I can't mention but a significant figure on cable news with whom we were chatting. Yeah before going on air like we all do some practice with the maps in case the secretary of state puts them put them but I definitely would not have picked Bangladesh. You can't mention that because I don't know thing I mean that's privilege really. Yeah well you don't like it when I see because I think the easy way to remember Ukraine is look at the Black Sea. And there's a bit that juts into it that's Crimea. That's where the basis whatever's attached to that that's actually Ukraine. It's not that hard right plus. It's big geography today in remers. That's right so don't you think that it means that that Mike Pompeo has at the ready these maps and this is the thing that he does on regular basis. He's probably don't humiliate humiliate people who've done it more than once. Yeah but you'd think that I just. I'm surprised that works for. NPR is not the first place you go to whip out a map and see where the hell's Ukraine that's not. I'm not going to get high return on that so you could try that with. CNN The mainstream media. But you wouldn't do that with NPR. Those people actually kind of bookish right but you look. There's generalized lack of knowledge in America about the world. You're in a small subset of human beings in America who know a lot about the world your business and you travel the world. Yeah but there was. I saw you saw this right. They did a survey of Americans asked him to find Iran on a map and some people picked kicked areas in the Midwest. Yeah but some people also Eric. Some people picked areas that were literally in the middle of Oceans Right which implies about it implies that people are trolling the response to the survey. You should take them less. I don't buy that. People are actually picking Ohio for runner surveys. Like this. Not that would have notably stupid answers like no no. We don't all right. I mean how important is it for us to know about what's going on the world. It's important but I also think that the fake information's put forward and the persistence of a large number knbr alarms minority of people that actually want to undermine the entire process really makes these conversations more challenging half so now assume trump wins. They're still going to be. It's a close election. Tens of millions of people who will think based on lots of things including their experience with interference by Russia in the two thousand sixteen election. That it's not legitimate. Is that universe. More problematic than one in which there is a feeling of illegitimacy with a Democratic president. I'm not sure I'm honestly not sure you're because on the one hand you know. Trump is more of a wildcard in what he can do to rile up his base and his unwillingness to play by the rules and rule of law on the other hand. You know the Democrats will probably have a whole bunch of legitimate reasons to feel like this. Election has been stolen stolen from them and the polarization in the US is really extensive on both sides. So I think both the problematic I don't want to necessarily call one out is more. I think the issue she was that when you get to an environment where half of the population actually thinks that the election is rigged and something needs to be done about it. The potential for black ax want events to occur from either side is greater the risk the response and resilience to a crisis is lower the willingness of other countries try to take advantage adage that uncertainty is higher. So I'm more concerned about how the country responds to an unfortunate sudden escalation that no unanticipated in the middle of this unprecedented crisis. We've not had an election that we have gone this badly that we've failed this sort of eighteen seventy six museums in the report. Yeah that that was the election between Rutherford B Hayes in Democrats Samuel. Tilden correct as you say. It was one of the most hostile controversial campaigns in American history. And you think this'll be worse. I think it's going to we. I said since it'll be the worst. Since eighteen seventy six remember we were coming off civil war. There was reconstruction the election failed and there were twenty delegates that both both Democrat and Republican Party were convinced that they actually deserved in one. And the only way you could get an election outcome was for acceptance by the Democrats of conferred Hayes to win and in return troops had to be taken out of the south ended the reconstruction so it was a an extra legal deal that needed needed to be cobbled together. Right before inauguration to get to America being able to govern itself again in other words rule of law kind of broke down in that process. We've not seen anything remotely early like that in this country. But since in reading your assessment of the number one risk from feeling a sense of not hope and the reason is with respect to some risks presumably there are thinking the center longer term. There are things you can do. You can hope that there will be solutions for that. There will be a new kind of leadership to deal with these issues with China or some of the other things as you mentioned but I don't see anything that could be done between. Ito made between now and January and November to sort of minimize. This risk. You're talking about it of half. The country thinks the election is illegitimate. Unless it's a landslide victory and were that's the one that's the one out. That's what you want unlikely. That looks unlikely but I will tell you that if this top risks were not looking at this year but we're looking at twenty twenty five so it was a five year risk reisen this. US risk would not have been number one in other words. I do think that whether it's a period of weeks or months we will find our way through this institutions. Will work again. We will get back to knock governance as usual but governance so I think the likelihood the hood of this actually breaking American institutions is actually fairly low it leading to widespread violence beyond what we saw. Nineteen sixty eight kind of stuff that you see historically in Paris for example I think is relatively low. I'm not that worried about that long term but I think because you asked me the beginning. What methodology part of it is imminent likelihood and impact the United States? The world's largest economists the only consolidated superpower the world anything that affects it even for short period of time has outsize importance importance on this list. Could you an offramp. Yes just a short or long offer. Let's see how it okay so I I saw you over the summer and this is not long after your big twitter fiasco. I gave you some great but I think you deserved it So you may twenty nineteen and you have an active twitter account I do you have far fewer followers than I have but you know it was active. What do you have a million a million two they go you know exactly? Yeah a million. That's not exactly a million to one point two or one point two. That's even more than a million to do one point two. That's pretty good. But you know I know I have punctuation issues but you can't describe numbers it's okay that might that might affect your followers punctuated it it looks like using a punctuation. Looks like you're you're trying to curse. Yeah like in the comics. That's for Amazon yes so you tweeted. This is sort of a cautionary tale. The other people do this memorial a friend of mine and we were in the studio. I'm GonNa give you some grief about more than happy. It's fine so you tweeted quote that you attributed attributed to president trump when donald trump went to North Korea and he was in Tokyo at the time by the way to slay doubts about it. But Yeah Yep yeah. He was in Tokyo. And and you did a thing that also in a different context and a whole other dimension Adam Schiff has gotten in trouble for and that is sort of comically trying to paraphrase the president in a way that in the modern world people sometimes think must be over begum quote quote. Yeah you said You tweeted without saying just kidding Kim. chung-hoon is smarter and would make a better president than sleepy Joe Biden and people love that tweet as a quote from trump as quickly as if he had actually said yes this the unified field theory of your flaws also punctuation problem right. Yes yes right. Yeah the quotes. May I think. Probably the the number one global risk for in this is crappy punctuation about say what. The the biggest problem was is that I wasn't actually on twitter after I posted it so you couldn't you can do damage control you. You posted L. Idea that it was a proposed and then went to Tuck it for the weekend. It was Memorial Day weekend. I was just screwing around you know and that was a mistake so when I came back on like eight hours later follow. Oh so the tweet went viral. Yeah and because all these people thought Oh my God what is he said now and part of the reason for that. This is a compliment it to you is your. You are a significant voice. You have hundreds of thousands of followers and people thought not one job. Well done that maybe twenty. Yeah 'cause I don't make errors like that. I make other kinds of errors. That'll make that kind of a flu. And I learned I learned from other. I would say this when I was in office all the time. I like to learn from other people's Apple's mistakes yet so I I thought deeply about this era of yours yes but people thought that you must be telling the truth and it must be a direct right. I've seen people do it. And then it's too bad you didn't have a book you were selling at that moment where I did not nothing because otherwise it would have been a Bonanza Oregon. Well Yeah So. You mentioned ingest trump tweeted at you. Ian Bremmer now admits that he made up a completely ludicrous quote. Yes attributing it to me. This is what's going on in the age of fake news. Look people think they can say anything and get away with it which this kind of rich really the libel laws should be changed to hold fake news media Canada first of all. Are you in the news business. No fake news business us. No I'm in the analysis business. Okay but it's fair enough so just tell me. Just tell me as a person here and you've told me privately but say to the millions of people who will be listening to this podcast. You're sure was it like to be tweeted at by the president. In that way I mean I was surprised. Obviously but he tweets it all sorts of people all the time. I'll tell you that before. He he tweeted at me. I had said right like you know. As soon as I realized I got back online and saw that people were actually writing about it. People that were importantly Ted lieu was a million followers stuff congressman there were companies and who I know right acting as if it were true. You know a lot of people by the way we small off ramp from the offering. Yeah you do tend to mention that you know these famous people is that a is that a good thing. No it's kind of like relevant to the story and I don't like not someone who brings up. Oh when I was talking to the other day just dropping the name but I'm here you're asking me specifically how how this process went and the reason that I took it down so I came online eight hours ten hours later and saw that there were notable people out there that had written about my tweet avalon. John Active amplifying. So I took it down immediately. I wrote this was meant as a joke. My apologies It was it was. It was completely ludicrous. Part of the problem. Of course it's hard to tell what's completely just was president because the president actually the next day said something that was pretty similar to what I had actually made it worse things worse thanks but still. I'm not trump and neither have his followership nor am I a political figure so the rules apply differently to me right. I mean he can go out and do all sorts of things that aren't applicable other people and so the right thing to do was own it. Apologize and move on and to be fair like when he then tweeted at me. Look you know. We've got a lot of attention but it's it's very clear. That news cycle blows over in a matter of hours. So if you ask me to have any impact on like what I do or who I am no not at the funny thing. I thought I thought you know I'd forgotten about this. Aren't swear to God. I thought you were going to ask me about when trump sent me a copy of one of my articles a couple of months ago no but wanted to talk about that. Do you remember that right. Yeah so I mean you know. He Reads Time magazine. And I I wrote a piece. He was robbed as man of the year. Yeah he he's he's what happens but he had covers before as you know and he's also made up on the path that just kind of funny when she does does and so anyway have you been in the I. I have but not as the subject. I've just written a bunch of covers so it's a little different news media right for them every week That's I mean it's a big Welna I write for them in part because internationally as huge followership and I really want my stuff to have more global resonance so he reads something so he read something. Apparently he does retire most weeks. He's time's all time to stuff like that and He saw the piece. It was about The ourselves trade deal and I was arguing in the apiece. I believe that trump leaving the trans-pacific partnership which Obama didn't get done but trump than laughed was one of the biggest strategic mistakes missed opportunities that we've had in the last few years And I wrote that are set up. Getting larger was China taking advantage of that so he rips out that page he writes on it in so wrong in many more opportunities to work with or something like that Donald Trump in sharpie and in sharpy. You could still smell the sharpie on the page and I didn't go up close. You could smell the sharpie he just when you took it out he had a courier Dover my office and and and you know he. Apparently he was kind of bemused by it It's funny you do get the sense like like I did not feel when he wrote that tweet at me before. Or when he sent me that piece it wasn't out of malice it was gamesmanship and amusement. And this is what he does. It's an act. Act shifty shifty. Yeah there's an act and the funny thing I take my work really seriously. I don't take myself that seriously and so I mean I'm not the kind of person who if you troll at me. It's going to devastate my day or my week if the president does that. And he's the President United States and he's he's I'd rather read my stuff and not read my stuff. Do you have other twitter rules. We talked about twitter last time. Yeah Yeah and I think that was part of the discussion is twitter responsible for WHO's more responsible for trump being president in James Comey. Yeah or twitter twitter. You said deficit twitter. Yeah Yeah because I mean not only does he have more followers than other people that are running. But also the amplification of those followers both from trolls and from bots and also from really effective folks that are politically aligned with him and social media. I mean just vastly greater than anybody else has i. I think that really matters. Plus it's not just in the US Bolsonaro in Brazil. That's how he won. You know certainly I think that Salvini in Italy. I think that's how he won. I mean these there there. Are these figures that are tapping into tribal identities and social media is great at giving people what they want and tribal identities are the most visceral Israel types of identities. People have so people do that. Well really succeed on twitter. My Pin tweet. Is You know if you're not following people. You don't agree with if you don't like I'm happy to help. I'm kind of the anti-tribal guy on twitter. I'm I'm trying to create my own sort of non tribal tribe the other phrase. You've used describe what may be happening after the election. This year is an American brexit. Would you mean by that. I meant that after brexit happened. One of the big problems that led the UK. Hey to just eat itself for three plus years was that so many people believe the outcome was illegitimate. It wasn't just. They couldn't figure out what Brexit was. It was you know this vote votes should not have happened. We need to do over. We don't know what we just actually voted for. It was the fundamental question of legitimacy of the outcome right and that is precisely what I think could happen in. The United States is that people aren't going to agree on what happened during the election speaking of UK. Yeah I mean call you out and I apologize for sandbagging you with this but this seems to be an enormous emission here as you can explain it to me into the public is going to be funny. I can tell her anything and you know it's going to be funny because of the way the wind up was too big. Yeah Yeah you did that. You telegraphed it so Meghan Markle and the prince big drawing from the monarchy. Could you please justify why that is not among among the top risks unforgivable. Really glad that. The Brits are finally focused on deep arguments. That don't because that's that's where they should be as a people as a nation the great nation. They're very good at getting worked over and worked up on things that don't matter. Why is that about that? You've been a lot of time in London right I do. We have big officer. I'm going there a couple of weeks. Yeah there's one thing in all seriousness. I'm not saying it should be on the on the list and maybe you can explain your views on what the future holes for Israel which time immemorial morial is always been a hotbed of controversy and risk of conflict. Yeah I think it's important to recognize that Israel. israel-palestine is much less of an issue. Today for most of the players in the Middle East there has been ten years ago but whatever the Palestinians in the Middle East I is much less of an issue for the US. It was ten years ago. We don't need the energy for example and if you ask people in the region what their priorities are it's Iran. It's am an isis. It's Syria Iraq. I eight Israel Palestine which means that the Palestinians not only are getting more and more screwed but their options are getting more constrained and I think that it is certainly true. That trump is no nothing close to an honest broker between Israel Palestine and in fact no American presidents have been since Carter really but he is an honest nice broker between the Israelis and the Gulf Arabs. which is geopolitically more important so I think one of the most interesting things that will come out of the peace plan is the possibility possibility that the Gulf Arabs will respond constructively than by the Gulf Arab? You're referring to the Saudis. The minorities Bahrainis Oman even cutter. Even though there's a fight right internally there plus of course countries like Egypt Jordan Morocco countries that matter in the region and so I think it's interesting that the the geopolitical realities in the Middle East have shifted irrespective of whether it's president trump or somebody else and they've shifted against. The Palestinians shifted geopolitically against the Iranians and and that creates an opportunity. And I think that this this effort to put the peace plan forward right now is also linking to the fact that everyone's worried about Iran Iran and the Palestinians are getting the short end of the stick. And so they're certainly not gonNA accept this outcome But there could be movement geopolitically region on the back of all this so where do you think we'll be in five five years on that. I think that they will be more normalization of relations between Israel and a bunch of Arab states the United States will have less of a role in the Middle East. And it's an open question. As to whether any Palestinian government will be able to unlock the aid that is potentially on offer to them as well as a road towards a two-state solution. Going through a couple of others we're running out of time you mentioned Griffin Berg was at Davos number seven on your list of global risks. Is You call it politics. Politics versus economics of climate change. Yeah which assessment there the economics of becoming more costly. The world is actually snapping back with resource limitations that exist as well as extreme climate conditions that are causing real issues not just in people living in Equatorial Africa South Asia but even Australia and California Indonesia but the politics politics from governments are still very incremental. There's still nowhere close to being able to effectively respond to this and That is creating geopolitical friction. It's leading some private sector actors to start taking matters into their own hands particularly because their own their publics their consumers are prepared to hurt them on brand if they don't Microsoft was you know big announcement for example example. They're going to go not only carbon-neutral for each year but by twenty thirty but carbon negative vie for the entire firm which is really important. It's really interesting thing that they're doing that because the people when I was diagnosed last week the people that were most excited about the Microsoft announcement but the Indians and Chinese because their interest in in climate is not how much they today. It's not how much they meant per capita. It's how much they've admitted historically to the planet compared to that of the United States and Europeans. And if this if Microsoft Hi Chris off to saying that's the right way look at in the private sector does it. That gives them a lot better capacity to really try press. What equity needs to be in handling pitches? Now here's the problem. The People in Europe for the Green parties and and Bernie Sanders who are really promoting green. New Deal have absolutely no interest in responding that way. They're only focused on domestic domestic responses. What they need is agree? Marshall Plan that would be equitable. But that's not where the dark green left is in the US in Europe. So we're heading for a very dark green left. Yeah yeah as opposed to just like you know light green moderate and the people that are really committed to spending a lot of money to responding. But they're not committed to spending any money to responding to the problems that are much more legitimized long-term to the Chinese Indians and others in emerging markets developing markets and I think that from a global perspective right that should be really addressed by these people. It's so interesting wresting. The far left in the United States is really only far left on equity when it comes to Americans and they're real interest in the rest of the world is pretty limited and I have a problem with that. It's complicated question. Yeah Uh of where people's concerns should be domestically otherwise it's a little bit like on the on the planes when people smoke on planes. Yeah No. There's a smoking section non smoking section nonsmoking section. Because you're that's an air if you had the first row behind the nonsmoking section smoking section. Yeah you know there was a lot of secondhand smoke and so it seems like we're a a little bit in the world in which people are assuming you can have smoking sections and now it's another reason. You should undo another button by smoking sections on planes warming. No just nobody. In that position position was only unbinding one button. I mean that's pretty clear. There were a lot of there were a lot of buttons. Yeah there are a lot of Bungee. You also want me. Put My shirt color over my blazer. Don't know you could do that. But you need a different the difference for that and a different personality no no. I think he would work for that. I'm telling you I think we could have that happen. Neuro plasticity right. Yeah so. The brain will adapt adapt to you. Actually changing your fashion say something hopeful about the future. You'll still be here. You're GONNA do better than that really. That's pretty helpful. I will also still be here. It's okay on that note in Bremmer. Thanks for being on the show with create always a pleasure mcadoo. The conversation continues for members of the cafe insider community to hear the stay tuned bonus with Ian Bremmer and get the exclusive weekly cafe insider cider podcast and other exclusive content head to cafe dot com slash insider. Right now you can try a cafe inside membership free for two weeks at CAFE DOT com slash insider. I want to end the show this week by talking about something that that everyone experienced on Sunday. Like all of you. I was heartbroken shocked and dismayed to learn about the untimely death off of basketball legend Kobe. Bryant and not just him also is thirteen year old daughter Gina and seven other people in a helicopter crash. It was a terrible thing in the loss was felt deeply by so many people not just in this country but all over the world because of the kind of player Kobe Bryant was and and because of the kind of person he was and because of the magnitude of the loss as I think President Obama wrote Kobe was just undertaking the second phase of his life which promised promise to be as significant as the first face so whenever greatness is lost exceptionally early it causes a lot of sadness and so that afternoon notes of morning came in on social media on television in newspaper articles and lots and lots of people express themselves. But I have to tell you that evening when I tried to relax and not do any work and maybe escape a little bit from news and politics and all this other stuff that we talk about on the podcast. Every week I turned on the Grammy Awards Arts and bear in mind that the grammy awards are supposed to be about fun and largely in escape but of course there was no avoiding recognition of the loss of Kobe. Brian Brian in for among other reasons the actual Grammy Award ceremony was occurring in quote. The House that Kobe Bryant built and when the host of the Grammy Awards came out Alicia Unleash ECKES. She addressed what everyone was thinking and feeling and morning about right away. And I'll tell you when bad things happen happen. You want to hear good words spoken and it's not always clear what you need to hear and the best and most genuine people know how to speak from the heart know l.. Had to say what people need to hear and it must have been a crazy afternoon at the grammys with all the scripts and the jokes and the intros and the songs and the pieces is all planned in preplanned and rehearsed for days and weeks. Probably and all that was ended by the untimely death of Kobe. Bryant and Alicia Keys said better than anyone else that day. What we all needed to hear that we're going to do what we're here to do and know that we're going to join together and do what we do and happy times and challenging times? We're GONNA sing together. We're going to laugh together. We're going to dance together. We're GONNA cry together. We're going to bring it all together. We're GONNA love together and I'll say also for all the talk about how artists athletes and others should stay in their lane and they don't have important things to say on Sunday night when it came to grace and unity and empathy and yes a certain kind of leadership ship. It came from a recording artist. It came from Alicia keys and then she ended her remarks about Kobe. Bryant by saying. And we're GONNA make sure that we are celebrating braiding the most powerful energy the most beautiful thing in the world the one thing that has the power to bring all of us together and as music. 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Big Brother All-Stars | Live Feed Update | Wednesday, Aug 12, 2020

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Big Brother All-Stars | Live Feed Update | Wednesday, Aug 12, 2020

"Every morning. Armstrong acting rather again. Yes again. All John and GM. Sandy. You. The. Roger that. Tomorrow he will do is again. Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for August twelfth. I'm Osborne Armstrong and with me today. Matt. How're you doing that? I am good. I'm having so much fun with the season. Very excited to be here. Finally, having a chance to talk about it. It's. A little bit of a slower week I think I might have expected but I'm I think good things for next week. So overall feeling. Good. We are here to update you on everything that happened yesterday on the Big Brother twenty two live feeds was day seven. In the House and An interesting day once more there's things are still shifting still coming together. We had a round table last night and things were happening in changing during the table. It was it was a big mess We're going to talk about it all here today. We started the day. With Danny and Frenzel. And as you might remember. Frenzel the previous night. Was freaking out a little bit. Slow concerned. That J- anals. Torturing her. With. Torture, instruments. Iraq. It was bad. It was bad stuff. and. France freaking out about it. So in morning. Danny had to go. And be like. Look. You're, beautiful. You're amazing. You're strong. You're capable. You can't be doing that. You can't do you need to calm down. You can't get paranoid like that. You can't be freaking out like that. You're screwing yourself up. Yeah. This has been super interesting so far this season because first of all I found them to be an unlikely duo didn't really know the extent of their friendship outside of the House but obviously, it exists we saw the whole wedding thing or the engagement thing what have you but yeah, these to the way that they've been working together. I'm so curious out of anybody else in the house. To See, if they can make it last throughout the coming weeks ahead because Danny is somebody I've been super impressed by I know you have as well you or writing her high last night Nicole is kind of connected well, and that's the one thing that I think has been keeping her in a good spot to this point. She's got these connections that already exist. But along the way she's kind of. Having this Frantic Frenzel, energy that is kind of really bringing her down in the house and really bringing people's opinions down about her that are not as with her. So Yeah Danny's really got to do a lots of roper ended just keep her on track at which is crazy because Nicole the winner and Danny nothing you know that means a huge difference but yeah. Yeah you know. Danny. showed up on big brother for the Nicola Victor like engagement thing. was very much like like I don't even I barely even known Nicole like I don't know why I was there. Night maybe that's when they like really started to get closer but also maybe she was like already covering. Yeah. I don't know your seasons I. Don't know. I. Really. I really have absolutely like like I've never seen the two of them together in the past before. So like I said, it really was obliged to see that they were so close like day one day two. Danny also is going to talk with cody they talk about Ian, being dangerous in the game. And how they are kind of. Glad that Frenzel is so attached to Ian and they are going to be pushing that connection. It helps a cody in the sense that it doesn't pair cody with Frenzel as much and kind of hides their relationship a little more. It also helps because if friends will go on the block next to Ian then that's a great opportunity to take Ian out. He's a dangerous player and Ian being gone would be great for them. In, being gone would be bad for us. So I would hate to see that. But yeah, I've been in another one that I've been super interested about how things have played out so far I think people were talking about him as an option for cody being a replacement nominee if that was potentially going to come up and I don't know it was it was hard to tell and again he and here's another another one who has been super interesting to track because. People like him people are really into him but people know threat level and that's putting the guard up for a lot of people to. As, much as they might want to keep him around because they liked him so much they're like we can't do this forever. Yeah it's and. There's not like You know again like. It's like nobody's bringing him in like nobody feels like they've got like a solid connection to the and unfortunately. Cody also. Solid connections in there. Yeah. cody also talks about potential nominations next week and he is thinking that. Maybe like David and Nicole, a again this is. Reiterating what he was talking about night Danny was kind of like. You really like re-really doing that is that really what we're GONNA do and like honestly I mean I feel like that's a good. It's a good bet because. I feel like I could smooth things over with David I feel like we could smooth things over with David. and Nicole as like a good pond lashed argue like. Good nominations. They are I was I think that's what we talked about on the Nicole David previews that those two bless you could be. Could. Be People that are easily brought into your side early on in the season. I'm still worried about Nicole going forward Nicole Anthony. As you guys talk about a lot last night about just You know her game has really not been the cleanest not that it needs to be 'cause there's a lot of other people in the house targets and also not so clean Games but Yeah. I think that David Nicole David especially I would say going forward is going to be a really key piece. I also I was reading about this last night as I think this was happening mostly while you guys maybe were on This David in case connection that I'm sure we're GONNA get to that maybe in the works. If, David slipping away to the other side getting, we'll get to it but that's that's that's pretty crucial for. When. It comes down to it, you're GonNa need those votes numbers. David has been. He's been coming out of his show little bit more. You know I think especially like David tends to. Brighten up a bit. When he's with like Nicole Anthony even even like Kevin Qaysar or when he's playing Jenga. You know he he gets a little bit less serious. Me Opens up a little more it seemed gauges doesn't really get along with. The tile cody's and Other people. which is weird because he is working with tyler less. So with cody but at least a little, but it seems like people are really are like the the off beats more so than the. and and he is he is making this connection with Qaysar but I I'm not sure how strategic a connection it is. Yeah. I'm not sure either. But at the end of the day as much as the cody's and tyler's are pulling. David. Saying we want to work with you like we got you do all the way to the end you and US like we're all together in this they really don't put much effort in to maintain that relationship they're not getting to know. David they're not having these close conversations that they vons having with David that case or even briefly having with David, and then after they talked in the Pantry last night, they were up by the Hammock for a good hour just chitchatting away. So obviously, they were drawn to each other's like energy for the rest of the night and there was something there that. was keeping them close and I. Don't know I mean. There's talk about potential Tyler Janelle connection, which may or may not be anything at all but if David is close to tyler if that's anything you know I'm just spitballing here but I do see a world where even as soon as next week depending on where power goes David easily bounce over to the other side and never looked back. Yeah. I definitely think as possible I, think David has been most loyal to tyler or to this point. Especially, because he confided in Tyler about his relationship with Avon and he has not confided today on his relationship to tyler as far as I'm aware. And so that tells me that he is he at least was the most lowest to tyler like yesterday. Or the day before. But It doesn't feel like there's a lot there I think tyler is also just kind of like I. I gained it through this guy. I keep trying like hype 'em up and he's just given me nothing. And so I think tyler is definitely gravitating more toward Christmas who is giving him much more in response to. What he's what he's dishing out. But We also had Janelle talking to Nicole Anthony? Journal. Pension heart is trying to keep Kisha. And she has some pretty good points actually like she's it's not a bad campaign in terms of like raw factual information. But it's definitely aimed at the wrong person. Not. That there's really a right person in the house at this point unfortunately if ACACIA and Janelle but. Nicole Anthony. Doesn't like to now. There's something. which is like she gets along with Janelle but like she doesn't trust journal. and I still don't. Really understand why so? General case they got safety. and. Then cody put up Kisha in Kevin. Janelle bonded with Kisha didn't bond with Kevin. She felt like she could pull kisha in perhaps with Kisha have. MEMPHIS? and. So they are kind of like on the Kisha side of things. And Kevin kind of knows that. So Kevin kind of felt like Okay Journal, in case there are against me. If they're against me like they're the bad people like they're the they're the enemies. And Nicole Anthony Likes Kevin is on on Kevin side. and. So I feel like this like Giannella case or are bad thing. Kind of extends to Nicole Anthony That Sees Jon Allen Qaysar working for Kisha and I think that Nicole Anthony is so used to being on the bottom that she just kind of assumes that if. I want heaven to stay. Then that's the minority opinion. Journal in case are want Kisha stay been there in the majority lion's they're working against me and. So she just doesn't trust. Anything the. House telling her engineers trying to make this pitch. She says, Look Look at past performance kisha she worked with women. Kisha will work with the women's you'll target the guys. Kevin was a floater. He's he's shady. He's that's dangerous to have in this game that house is going to split soon in the floaters or the dangerous ones they're the ones that are going to slide by and she's talking to Nicole Anthony Afloat her. But. But she saying, you know in Kevin Sketchy like in his season, he came up with a lie just made up a lie and he got Jeff Schroeder out with it like he's dangerous in this game. There's a lot your there's a lot to unpack your I. think that Nicole Anthony has been playing so far from a very defensive standpoint because of everything that she's been experiencing with Nicole? France. I. Feel like that really shook her that caught that one conversation. She hasn't let it go where Nicole Frenzel said to her that thing about Eric, and you know ever since then I feel like she's not like playing defensively but just like she feels so defensive about everything. So I feel like that's where this energy comes from when she's talking to John L.. Who wants to get Kevin out and now I don't know she just has this energy about her Nicole Anthony does about how why is everybody coming from my friends like Kevin's my friend why is trying to get rid of him? Eric's my friend why isn't a coal being mean about him? She's just a we were seeing a lot of talking about people need to be nicer to my family and friends coming for all of them not that that has a huge factor in the game itself but I mean that's just feel like something that's been on our mind lately. I don't take the journal and holy relationship as anything of Nicole not liking genucel or Nicole not wanting to work with General I. Think we we've been picking up on a lot of people in the house so far that have not great connect not great rates obviously is like one of the top contenders journal is kind of up there as well. There's been a lot of people who are really just kind of floundering all over the place in determining exactly how everybody else in the house feels I imagine after this vote is over with and we see Where lines are drawn were like who decided they want to keep Kevin who is on the side? That's whatever it is. I imagine things will start to clear for some of these people because they're not all these people are in bad big brother players. It's just maybe this is just what the first week is like and we're not. We're not used to seeing it about people being all over the place maybe tyler maybe doctor will maybe Dan have have been like this in their first weeks that we haven't seen before hard to say but I just don't think. I should I definitely do think that Nicole Lakes Chanel and is more than willing to work with going forward. It's just Gino's obviously pushing one way, and of course, we know that Nicole has been closer to Kevin and she's not going to. Budge on that at all. So she picked the wrong target dodge anelle to try to start swaying over to the Kisha side it's not gonNa work but I don't think this is some kind of bridge that can't be. A. Gone back over at some point. Yeah it's it's. It's. It's weird because like I it's like. They're looking at it like. There's a difference between Kevin and Kisha. There's really not. There's really not that much of a difference like they're both on the outs. But I feel like people are so used to having one person being. The bad person. The other person being the good person there needs to be some kind of dichotomy that. That they're just falling into that that path in cody was smart this week. In that he didn't draw lines like that. He didn't set himself up for failure I. Thought he was at first. But really, he didn't. If Kisha went fine. If Kevin went fine, it doesn't matter either way to him 'cause neither of them are important him. He's not banking on picking up Kevin after this week he's just trying to make sure that Kevin might not target him after this week and so it's Totally throwing people for a loop that he did not set himself up that way and they don't know. How to reconcile it and and it's causing a lot of chaos within this group, which is super valuable for cody and his crew because. It it just it further prevents the other side from from gaming up together. and. That means that when they need when they feel like they need safety when they feel like they need people, they have to just come to him come to his side and that's what we're seeing. With a lot of these people and they are really set up well heading into next week the day of a lot of potential people to win that h h to really solidify their power structure and it's really not looking good for these these under dots. Do I'm not as like worried for that the genocide as maybe a lot of other people are and maybe just by the way the House looks I think that there are so many people in the Middle Ish, and maybe leaning on a not not in cody favor I mean I know we're also GonNa talk about how things played out with coach alliance throughout the day and that conversation that her him and Tyler had where it was like. Do. The people that were trying to work together like do the people that were trying to work with even like each other kind of thing and I know that they have been you know kind of solidifying themselves here and there but. It does feel like Thursday night. It's going to be a whole new game and I agree that there's not a huge difference between Kevin, and Kisha it's more. So just about who's closer to who obviously Kevin's. People like Nicole and divine and Ian and whoever else and then Kiesha is only closer with Janelle I. Guess Case Her At this point but. Like I said I. Just feel like. I could easily see anybody that that sits in that middle area while I know that David failure are really not trying to over the age but a David Win an Ian win a anybody. That's not literally just those five people five out of fifteen people in the House I. Think. Could be a good thing for the people that are. Rooting for. Yeah I mean yeah. In last night, you know I was I was reading about the tyler conversations. We'll talk about it but like I do feel like I, feel like they're pretty locked in for now. But, we'll say. All right. We have Janelle and Nicole a mcclay was pushing back with the ACACIA arguments but she kind of just like folds to journal in the moment like okay. So if we do this, who do you think we have journal says I think we can get in I think we can get. Enzo, I think we have Memphis and like she's just like naming off. People like Nicole should be working with the Nicole. Like. Like thinks she has endzone Nicole, they will now think that Memphis is like a lost cause. So we'll, Kevin And it's It's interesting Nicole he's going to. Talk. To Memphis. I'd say again he. talked she. He's been like I don't care, but she's probably not trusting that she's telling genetic I like okay like I maybe I'm with you here but I'm just worried that like you're playing me. And who do you think I am? I'm not talk through will I'm Jim L. and Nicole's I like the way that Nicole is coming at it though it's really from. Like first of all, you can tell she's intimidated she had a whole day with journal yesterday and she's fully embracing the role Nicole Anthony is of a little sister. She's really going in on the on my journal. I'm so happy to be here with you. This is so cool. Oh my gosh you're doing your make up my mind my making. Wow. Oh my gosh this is so cool and but like earlier in the day, even with that game talk, it's still felt similar to that energy that she had where. It was just like Oh, my God I can't believe playing with you. Oh my God. Wow. This is so cool So she doesn't want to shut her down and be like, no. I'm not in a Kisha. She's kind of like you know just letting it linger a little bit like, okay. Let me know if you have the votes I'll see you know I was leaning towards Kevin but you're convincing me it feels like she's just doing a lot of work to win journal over and make John L. Laker by. Pleasing her for now even though she knows that ultimately the votes not going to go in this direction, which does work is convinced that she did win Nicole over in that Nicole is now vote to keep Kisha. Which is definitely, not true. Nicole is going to immediately go around and talk to cody and a few other people about like. Kevin, we're. Still Keeping Kevin. And Janelle goes to case or like we got Nicole she's on board. You me. Nicole Memphis. That's four we get. E and we gotta get Enzo at six. We just need like one more. Oh Man Kisha Sake should so bad at campaigning though. Yeah she's really sick offering people food. Was Is it true didn't get nominated until the end of ten rate is that what they were saying? I remember the exact. Fit she said she wasn't on the block for a while she didn't definitely this early didn't have to. Play, too hard like this. So yeah, it's a whole different world for her especially now being twelve years later or whatever the numbers It's it's been a while I don't know that she was exactly prepared to be thrown in like this. Even though I know a her intro package, she was like I'm going for this year and playing hard like everything that you're supposed to say but yeah, hard Hartford Chanel to really make anything happen here when. Kisha isn't really doing the most to kind of assist her it does obviously to us. We can tell this is more than a lost cause at this point unless something major happens in the next forty eight hours, but it really doesn't feel like that and again, I have to think that once this vote is over Geno will have a better grasp on what's going on. Once you really sees that nobody wants to keep show and nobody wants to yeah and it's like. After Journal says this Kisha does have a conversation with cody. and. She's literally like what else to offer you but like. You know you can shower in the Hoa Trim if I win like Koch Hours. Showers anywhere. They're all complaining about that for the past past week at the flush toilet and stand on this and stand on that and don't go at this time of day and Cody. Cody is rationale about like no, they're just figuring it out. They've had all this time in. They're so busy with everything else and just can't get the hot water down. Yourself. So. Also is going to talk with Danny they're both. Basically campaigning. Opposite of each other in the conversation journals campaigning for key should stay. Danny's is campaigning four Kevin to stay. But they do still talk about how they're working together and all of that Danny. Let's journal no that she has been thinking about like David Nicole Anthony. As potential targets slash nominations for next week. Yeah that name where they used to be more popular where it was like nobody and then you know a blank space and that it was like the person and it would be in this case Danny. Nicole Anthony What do you think about Anthony? Glancing Nickel Anthony you think regard Nicole Nicole said is that It's just very that's that's what Dan he's been doing and I've been impressed with Danny's game plays so far this point. I've been rating her highly myself. I really think that she is in one of the better spots in the house and not just by chance or by connections because she's of put herself in that spot I think she's been doing well, I gaining a lot of information from a lot of different people and as much as they hate it because I like Nickel Anthony, she has been doing a good job at like subtly pushing out that name just kind of keeping it on her keeping it at that level where she's not overdoing it I mean I feel like she's overdoing it because I'm watching every conversation she's in, but she's having talks with. All fifteen people fourteen other people saying like I don't really know where Nicole Zach just trying to make it seem like she's somebody you know a little sketchy to whatever. So I don't know that it's GonNa get anywhere because of this connection that Nicole has been making with. Janelle but if Danny, side wins I think Nicole's easily one of the top choices to go up if not. Now so Frenzel is GonNa talk with Christmas. She's going to do her friends will thing which is I think a girls alliance isn't GonNa Happen. Do. You think we'll be included. If you hear anything. Let me now. I need to be in curls alive. They're both also, they're concerned about Janelle, both concerned about Janelle. Janelle is she's having a rough a rough go of it here. She's connected to Bailey Bailey is not exactly doing a lot of work for her. She's got S-. Qaysar who's Qaysar and and then she's got Nicole Anthony who is throwing her under the bus and causing more problems for her as we'll talk about. Yup it's it's it's. GonNa be kind of all over the place I think there are a couple of ways out next week four journal if they end up not like her her side or whatever consider her side winning. But yet, another definitely costs for concern from from a amount of people that are not trusting if anything though. People like Danny and Devan. Bailey could be the reason that ends up not being in trouble next week. They could easily you know if Danny is getting into say Memphis wins the next age. Oh Age and gets into I don't know if Memphis best example. Who Anybody from outside wins? Christmas. And Danny is able to get into their ear and say you know we should probably go for Nicole I. She's a floater. We know where does that then maybe they could survive another week. Now. So. Danny. Has Another conversation with tyler that feels like she's pulling teeth. Tyler is about to leave the room and she's like hey. How do you feel? How do you feel about the the Memphis talk about Memphis. And he comes back into the photo room with her. He's like. A like I mean. Am I gonNA say now? He's fine for now I don't know about it. And they they kind of talk a little bit about that and then he kind of starts to leave again and she's like, what? How, how, how you feel about the vote? What are the vote is like? Like I got Kevin. Maybe I don't really care though. Like didn't WanNa talk to you know no one talks to me no one talks to me known talks about anything in this house. Yeah. Yeah. No talks about anything in this house. Yeah. All right. Well. Okay I'M GONNA. Go. Now. We're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back. Is the purple. Pain Hey with that it's Bryce Isaiah. The host of the Purple Pants podcast coming let you know I am celebrating one year of the Purple Pants podcast one year of being with the RHA P. Family one year being with the Family and it truly brings me so much joy. If you haven't already make sure you guys check out episode fifty to Ithaca Anniversary and make sure you go back and listen to all of my episodes to out the year. It's such a pleasure to bring my unique voice to this amazing community and I'm honored to be a part of you guys. So make sure you subscribe to the Purple Pants podcast on Itunes spotify writer review. Give you baby boy some five stars if she is. Author piece PODCAST TRYING WHY Why At the Purple Pants podcast. Hervey right they. Need the Band. And we're back. So let's get back to the show. These conversations. Yeah. This this week has been a little a rough with those specific kind of conversations of just now I don't know. Do you know? No? No, no one's playing the game. Can you believe this season all-stars? Nobody's playing nobody's playing so crazy do you believe it like shut up? Just say name. But I don't know. Again we're in the final eight hours before the vote like people have to start locking things in. So hopefully, we get a little bit less of that Cagey kind of nature as people really start to you know make sure they know where all the all the votes are going. It's super uncharacteristic for me for Tyler. To that he like he's such a social player for him to be so shutdown. With Danny who such a dangerous player is is weird to me while we're going to get a little bit of clarification on it a little bit later, he doesn't trust Danny. I was watching this conversation I was thinking he must have seen Danny's tweets about him. Before going on the season I mean like. We have experienced of people's ending tyler screen shots of tweets and things. From people that we know. and. It would not surprise me at all. If people sent him tweets from Danny. Absolutely. From the season and You know. I don't think it's like one hundred percent or anything but like. And some people are saying like, Oh, well, maybe he just doesn't trustor from. The game, but he's been like this with Danny from the start. From the very startling, she's been trying with him a lot and getting nothing now like luckily for him. He is like so he had such a presence about him that she despite the fact that she's been shot down by multiple times still feels like you so nice i. like him. I WanNa work with him. But it. It did seem like there was something from the stars the tweets like she just like did not like his game she. kind of I think she kinda like called him names. and. You can see in the house like she'd be like Oh. Yeah and when things didn't go his way like he was, he raised a fuss. He raised he he made a fit about it like he really can't handle it when things don't go his way like that's what she says in the game. Pretty representative of the kind of tweets that she made about him. So he probably came in thinking like this person doesn't like me and she'll probably pretend to like me and so I need to be very careful around her. And she said. No I don't think they have. Okay, I know that obviously the Nicole. A stuff got address but without podcast ghosting and all that stuff but I guess. It's probably would have been a whole lot less awkward if they had squash this on day like whatever tyler had just gone right in there and said to Danny, Hey people were sending me screen shots of like tweets of not liking me like hope that we're good and Danny would have said, oh. No, I'm so sorry, we're we're good just you know watching as a fan like you know everybody has their opinions but I think you really cool I like you I want to work with you and this could have all been behind us back. Back on day two but now that it's like seven, it's like you're going to bring this up now or like going forward So by the way, I know this tensions Ben in the air like do you not like me now? It's just kind of awkward. robin. The Chad says Dan Industri to tyler she hates burt. It's what? Entire called. BRANFORD. Oh down. And look like this is this is not. One of my crazy theories here in terms of like why we're seeing this behavior. The tweets might have nothing to do with it. Maybe he just didn't get a good five from her from the various start, but I have to imagine he knew about them and I have to imagine it was leaps at least some part of this I doubt it's just the tweets at this point. And I think that he is trying to warm up to it a little bit. He is going to hang out with any a little bit later in the day and more group setting and they get along fine there. But there's always just been something here that has been getting in the way of their relationship. So Nicole Anthony is going to talk with David They both agree they want to keep Kevin Kevin is going to join them in the have not room I mentioned is on the round table last night there just joking around. And like David is like animated in laughing and telling jokes and I like it's good and it's fun and Kevin kind of goes like man guys like, I, just I love you is like I just want to say right here I just want to take this moment like I really WanNa work with you guys I. Really Hope that you know you keep me like we're all good. And Nicole Anthony like Oh. Yeah. And David just shuts down. Shuts down completely and he's like, okay. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I'm on I'm on board. And you know I'm just thinking about like The have nots like who's going to come in the have not room next and like what kind of bond are they going to have? Is what I'm thinking I'm going to think about the have not room is that you know you really. You really tend to bond with the people in the have not room one year they're together so. Yeah I agree I agree we should. Yeah for sure. I'm I'm convinced there's more to David than we know I mean there has to be we've only seen him for so long in the. In last season's speed in this season's feeds there's got to be more I mean everybody's like, oh, he's so boring is not doing anything like this guy got cast in the first place on the on his first season they saw something in him. There's gotTa be more here and they brought him back and I know that they brought him back to give him the second. Chance Redemption but like there's gotta be something else here that we're just not seeing this has to be right like call me crazy. Maybe I am. But like maybe just feel like we have seen like you said those moments where he kind of opens up a little bit and becomes more funny and loose in when he's playing Jenga and he's all over the place and Like a big loud electric personality for that brief few minutes and then he reels it back in and he kind of shut it all down and puts it all back inside the box that it came out of and he kind of comes back down as he remembers the game that he's specifically trying to play and a lot. A lot of people talk about about how. You can try to go into the House as somebody that you're not and try to play a game. You know a specific way which seems like maybe that's what he's trying to do but your personality who you really are we'll start show and if he really is not this quiet reserved person who's just like not letting anything out eventually, that will start to strip away. Like I think the main problem with it is the it just it doesn't make people feel comfortable like when he's talking about his own personal life for opinions like he can get enemy especially if he's joking around like that is peak David if he's talking about like. His his mushrooms in his shake or whatever or red bull like that's. Okay that's okay. David? He's talking about game. Is. Three. Gives nothing nobody feels comfortable with David talking game because he he just doesn't give any level of enthusiasm about it and that's why they like they all think. Well, he shuts down when we talk game so we must be working with somebody else. that he must be enthusiastic with somebody else and not me. And No. Way, with everyone. Yeah. So it's really not working in the same way where. If anybody else even like tyler cody who are not cody but it like a tyler was trying to play that similar kind of method of just keeping it close keeping it like all into himself and not showing his cards too much not revealing too much people at least know Tyler's game from before they know a lot about who he is because spent ninety nine days with the Guy David is still still a bit of an unknown either you know it doesn't seem like he was doing a whole lot of pre gaming or anything like that building connections. People before they got inside who knows if even knew he was going inside for sure until maybe one of the last couple days. But yeah. So they're still working out exactly what what the deal is there. But there are people that are trying to make that connection again, the people like Devan who may put in more work and end up winning him over. So it doesn't matter if you can talk with him or not. If you likes you when he wants to be a number on your side, that's all some of these people my need. Nicole Anthony is also going to talk with Kevin alone and she gives them the heads up. She warns him. Hey Chanel is campaigning against you. You have to watch out for her. She's telling people about your lie the last minute lie. she's making you out to be like this floater this dangerous backstabber in the game. And Kevin's like what's What's That's not fair. That was barely that was natalie. Natalie. Not me I'm not a liar I'm good. Yeah as as much as a Nicole does like she is loyal to Kevin, first and foremost. So this information is are obviously going to bounce back towards him and. It'll be interesting to see what Kevin does going forward. If he does end up targeting journal after hearing all this or you know he realizes there's another side of the house that's really nothing ever worked them. So I don't know. So Kevin is then GonNa start running around telling people. People are trying to make me out to be a backstabber like this is bad news for genetic. She is going around she's telling multiple people about it. Now he's like found out about it and. This is this is the sort of thing where it's like. You'd think like, okay maybe once quiches gone these underdogs we only get get back together like Oh. Okay. We were against each other but now we know we have to work together. This is the sort of thing that like puts a permanent. Road speed bump in their relationship where they're always going to have to contend with the fact that like she brought this out and he's probably been worried about this coming out and being part of his reputation and so the fact that journal is out there and she's like this is the thing to like journals not just saying like. Like quiches better for our game. Than Kevin I want Kisha, she saying Kevin is the kind of player that you don't ever want to work with. He's a liar he's a floater he's dangerous. I would never wanna work with him so like she's just. Burning that bridge so hard like how can Kevin ever feel like? Okay, it's week two I'm not on the block against Kisha anymore but I know Janelle never will want to work with long term because she said that I'm not the kind of player she'll ever want to work with long term. And as much as I. Agree with everything you're saying I agree that this is not looking well fridge analysis point the amount of times that I've heard Kevin say genetic is my idol John is one of my favorite players of all time. They're still hope for these two. They're still I, think a possibility that if next week Kevin still around in quiches gone that you can come to him and say like like if she admits that, yes, I was wanting to get you out because I know that you're a dangerous player and I respect that but. If we can put that aside I'd be willing to work with you like team together like it really was nothing against you. I was just using that because I was closer to Kisha. So I mean it's not going to be an easy reconnection but like I said because of that fact that. He is such. A fan of hers I think could open the door to potentially fixing it in the future not enough for sure though have to own up to it. So, Frenzel and Ian. are going to connect. Again and just kind of check in. They. Sort of continue talk, well, how they're working together. They talk about potentially like keeping each other safe in the safety competition which. Like case and Janelle did. And do they agree that they both want to keep Kevin? Francis continuing to I mean again say what you will about Frenzel, especially her social game but she is good at checking up and main maintaining relationships doing that maintenance. That a lot of people just kind of let slide. And some other people have tried to work on Ian here and there but France was the one that is consistently putting in work with him and. I think that is going to be pretty valuable for her moving forward. Yeah, you can tell he has that trust and you know there's that winner connection between the two of them. Obviously, it's a, it's an obvious duo at this point. No, they expected I'm sure to be in this House with a couple of other winners that didn't end up being the case. So it really kind of brought them together and Ian we talked about earlier on about how people like. Him but not everybody is willing to as probably as probably willing to put their neck on the line for him. But that's exactly what Nicole did at the beginning of this week with cody she went to cody and they were talking about possible nominations and she said, I have Ian don't worry about. Ian. Like I'll make sure he's good with us. He's not going to go against us so. The, the two of them looking out for each other is good for both it reminds me a lot of of Brittany's relationship in their mentioning this in the house to like Francis, his new Brittany. And it is reminding me a lot of that. We're like nobody else really bothered with Ian even even bogey himself and he was his coach. In the first in the early. Season Fourteen. But Brittany did and Dan did and so. You know. Than once Brittany was gone Dan was the only one left the gave him the time of day and and we saw the the level of loyalty there. and. So like I think this is going to be valuable for Frenzel. That said like I said I think that IAN is not. As I don't think he's going to be as blindly loyal as he was in fourteen. I. Don't think he likes it I mean Ian Ian will tell you. I wasn't blindly loyal to to Dan I was snowed by him but I I knew that he was going to be disliked by the jury which. Is An entire other conversation but I think that IAN will try to actively avoid being seen as blindly loyal this season. And so I don't think it's going to be like locked in for. Franceville. But but I do think that like look who who else does even have at this point and that's that's where the value comes in. It's definitely good to start the game off with her at the very least right now but we know that he has this building thing with Nicole Anthony with Kevin it could get a little trickier down the road with You know if those two are closer than he is are closer with each other than they are with him especially, if they start to separate themselves with them being the third placers and him being the the winner of the group you. Know, he could cling onto. Nicole for the extra life support if Nicole still around in a couple of weeks. But yeah, I I I don't think it necessarily has to be long-term by any means it's not like Tyler in Casey forming on day one and you know we know that the these two easily could say the end like there's a lot of room here for things to go wrong especially when one of the people is Nicole Frenzel so well, we'll see. and. Here's the thing to like I think that I do think with Ian. He is it odds with Jon? Allen case right. Now he wants to keep Kevin Keep Kisha. But unlike Nicole, Anthony I don't think he'll look at Jon Allen in case as like as enemies because they're voting differently I think that if he votes differently than Jaylen case or or if they're just. At odds right now I think we can come around. He can easily be like. Okay. So we we had a difference of opinion last week but that doesn't matter to me at all this week whereas Nicole Anthony is like the they must be running things with other people because they're not. So I think that that could work out for him if journal case there. Aren't you know on the block or anything like that. Or on the block. So. Kevin and Bailey are gonNA talk. He lets her know about the he says somebody's going around telling people and I'm a liar and it's not true. Don Don't believe it. and He lets Bailey. No like I look I am all in with you Dave van. Frenzel Nicole Anthony, and Danny like those are my people. And he's been trying to work on tyler to he's talked about that a little bit later he feels like he can get in with tyler. Physical player on his side. But but yeah, unfortunately Kevin's not doing that bad if you like if you look at the situation, he's in like he gets no information because he's on the block. But with no information, he's actually not too terrible here. Nicole. Anthony is a good ally for him at least Franceville is not so bad choice. Danny is a bad choice day in bay. Thorough K choices, Tyler's in okay choice like those three are choices where like they are in the power and having a good relationship with them will be valuable to him even though he shouldn't trust them all the way. It's Danny and France I think Kevin has to really worry about because they are not rust worthy and I don't think they would care about keeping Kevin around your I. Mean his best move right now is to go around and you know tell everybody that you trust everybody I trust this person and that person that I mean obviously not everybody you know. Don't go to to two GENERA and say I trust cody and Tyler hundred percent or like that. But there's a lot of people like if he's able to kind of pick up on specific people that are working with others specific people if you can go to Baileigh and say I trust you I trust Avon. Trust. All the people that I know. I know that you're working with at least that's a start to just kind of make everybody feel more comfortable because like you said, he's not getting a whole lot of information and this is. He a much better player than I. Think this week is showing not that he's doing anything bad by any means but like if you saw him playing big brother eleven, you know what he's capable of and you know that if when he gets out of this week as Genera is making very clear, he is going to be very dangerous. So she's right about that. He's like he's going to show all of us that when that turns out to be the case but for now, he's just you know played into this corner of nobody giving him anything I mean I think his biggest concern here is that he just continues to be put on the block upon. If they if they'd keep his hands tied. Then, he'll never be able to like do anything in the game. And he is I think an easy person to do that too. Because of his behavior in week one like he's doing everything, he can to stay safe this week. So He's not the boot and like good because it's working. But it's damaging long-term game for sure. The way that people look at him in the game right now is as easy on even the people he is working with even his allies like day and Bay they kind of look at him I think like cody looks at David. Like. Throw them on the block maybe and he won't be mad at us. Although they don't WanNa win the H at all because they don't want to do that. But but not like a valued member of any lines right now except for maybe with Nicole Anthony. and. That needs to change as long as he can stay off the block for a couple of weeks he can regain his footing he can get get back into the mix of things but. You. Know we'll. We'll see how that goes speaking of day in. Bay they did have a brief conversation where they talked about. Doing well. We don't get to talk very often but. We cannot win H H, we do not want to win h wage because we are connected to many people it would give away their their spots essentially. I actually don't love that from Dane Bay I would actually like them to win in H H. But I don't think it's I. Don't think it's like a clear cut decision here. I. Think you can go either way with this I. do think they have a decent amount of loyalty from Cody Enzo. And I think that's solid for them. I think they have a lot of other connections. I think they're probably pretty safe But I think they trust Codeine Enzo too much. They trust France and Danny too much and if they never get power, then they'll never be able to break free of of that situation really sort of like pull it. To their advantage where right now, it's sort of in the cody Enzo advantage if that makes sense. So I would love for them to to get power. Because it's almost like. Just a brief aside, I've been doing a big brother Canada five rewatch with Kevin. Martin on his choice stream and. So my head in that space right now. But like in that season, there was a group of vets that we're working together and and I Was In that group of people and she was aligned with some of the members of that group that were on the outs and she had some other allies in the house and Those allies we're just getting kicked out one by one and she was losing leverage week after week and she had to pull a crazy move to get that leverage back. And I'm worried that something similar will happen to the players like tyler like Bayan Day. Who are willing to kind of just let this group that Cody Enzo or like really at the center of. takeout take people out if Bailey Dave Devan just let Nicole Anthony go they. Let you know. Kevin go they let other people who they are attached to even like Janelle they legend Al Gore. They're going to start to lose their leverage and fill the stack the house in favor of codeine Enzo and their their power is going to diminish. So I would like to see them win in H H and released sort of like take out some of their enemies more so than let their allies takeout. You know their enemies. WHO At this point? Would you consider their enemies? Not necessarily an enemy but just like people that. Not going to be working for them. Even, if that does mean like like. Even in the an who is right now on Frenzel side. Or like Christmas. Christmas has a decent relationship with Bailey are good relationship with Bailey. But I. I don't Ha-. I don't treat. That's that's just the thing that like I feel like since there's no concrete answer of who they should be going right now I get that there's people that are on the bubble of lying. MEMPHIS is another option I think There's options I just feel like by doing that by taking a shot at in Ian, they might lose that trust with Nicole that's kind of benefiting them right now with Nicole friends all by taking that shot at Memphis, they lose a lot of trust that they have with cody right now who's going to be asking them not to do that. So I do feel like they have it right for now where they should not be winning does H. O. H. or the next one ab the one after that, they can start trying to go four but right now it does. Feel, like there's a lot of people shooting at each other in the house while they are perfectly far back from everything happening and they can like I fully agree that they do need to win powers eventually, they do need to eventually get the game going in their direction. I just don't know that needs to be this or the next week. I think they have it right that this is not the exact right type. So I can agree with that I understand the perspective and that might be the right call feel like they can probably ride this spot for a while. I just I just worry that if you don't take the game by the rains. that. Like it will start to slip away from you. And I think that. They can't let the power solidify elsewhere like if France or Danny winning H H. And like Enzo and Cody Tyler, they all gravitate in that direction even more. Than In you know Nicole Anthony and Kevin Start pulling them over here. Like I'm just I don't know but. We'll see we'll see I think they're in such a good position that. They can go either way and it'll still like I'm I'm just like they're they're in a spot where there are two good options and I'm talking about like I think one might be better than the other. And they kinda disagree with me and they're going in the other direction I think that's also going to work out very well for them. So we'll see, we'll see where it goes, but that is the direction they're going. Do not plan on winning this H. H. And that is an interesting position for them to be in. I just worry about it. All right. So they do. Again re solidify the four Brigade two point three point zero, whatever it was. Bailey von Cody Enzo. They are the a connect four. Yes for now. Very popular game back in our childhood I duNNo. Connect. Four I've seen. For that they they made it like a video game video game am arcade game. You can probably find any local arcade when they opened back up in the year twenty, twenty three. But as of now, I don't know that I've seen it. I've played in anyone's house but Now we're seeing it played in the Big Brother House I I I. I was reading updates I wasn't watching at that time and I was like, oh, they got connect for. That's cool like that's going to be a little annoying with the microphones but then now it was an alliance names connect for and. Is this the first named lines of the season. I. MEMPHIS IN CODY OR MEMPHIS or is not staffed enzo in cody are. I like the roots or something. And then. I guess I guess technically, Memphis thing hasn't been officially named. And then of course you know. Bay Day were. They haven't really him black romantic. But This like the first big group I guess like more than like three people that kind of put their hands in metaphorically instead of kind of. Officially The core for is still kind of like should we be named the core for? million, clubby our another one. But yeah, that was a duo. So. We'll see we'll see where it goes. Christmas is going to have a conversation with tyler is the thing that was happening during the round table last night. Tyler finally dimensions to Christmas that he has been sketched out by cody and Danny, and he just feels like they've got something already. In that, they are kind of on the outs of that and he doesn't trust this Memphis thing either he feels like it's it's not real. It's not like it's not GonNa last. Here's the thing about this from Tyler. He's right. It's a good read. But he could have been in. He like didn't it's he was there at the like he was there he could have been in the core. But he didn't give them anything. He didn't give them anything and now he sees that they're not giving him anything and he's like they don't trust me I. Knew It. Was the problem? He's he caused it. But. He talks to Christmas about how he wants to get closer to cody. He wants to work on this a little bit more they talk about Bailey. Tyler gives Christmas advice on Bailey saying. Like once you're in with Baileigh. She'll be more with you. Like she's super friendly. When she doesn't feel comfortable with you. And once once you get. In with her select drop the friendliness a little bit and be like be direct like that's how you know that you're in with her when I was like that's a solid read because when I think back to that super correct. I. Think it kind of went a little bit over Christmas head but. But like very, very solid read from Tyler. Yeah just to talk about what you're saying tyler in that alliance. Tyler comes from a world where he just had his own season where level six formed and it felt sue so quick natural to him. It seemed like those six people just gelled really well, right off the bat. And here he is I mean, yeah. I totally agree that he could like he could put in the extra work to make that stick with those people but I think it's probably become a little obvious to him that there are people like cody and Enzo that are more closed than maybe memphis as well more close to them. Danny seems another person that is. Like a little bit closer to them. So sure he could insert himself in there but if it's not feeling as natural or as a normal as it should be as he's used to with an alliance that he already had that worked I think that's what's what's bringing him. So close to Christmas that that's a natural connection him in Christmas, they had that bond over. The fact that Josh and Casey were there. So the two of them have been like in lockstep since the start like we have to look out for each other, our number one did make it. So now we're number ones. So that feels natural to him and I. think that's why he's using christmases sounding or to be like I don't know about this other group and when he goes to cody as well and he's talking to cody about how this doesn't feel right he's trying to get the right pieces together. He wanted to work tyler like we know the how tyler ideally play having another alliance of x amount of people like in his corner watching his back. And he can keep a lookout for them in the same way because it proves his loyalty but he's really kind of just had to play this other game where we see a lot of the updates where he's just you know making this really quick connection with this person in the Pantry referred for a minute and then over here and over there and just kind of feeling people out because it just seems like this new level six that he might have seen in his head coming together. It's just not what he expected it to be not what he thinks as longevity. And so. He's talks Christmas about this. They agree that like an alliance that's actually going to work together we'll just we'll. Every thing not not like the secret tyler and Christmas bond kind of spill everything but but just about other people will open up more unlike. Tyler you know this why haven't you done it with them? Like people are always I think people get lost in like reading other people like is this person lying to me here are the signs and they're so focused on the weather they can trust the other person that they don't. They don't focus enough on. Am I giving off vibes that they can trust me? And it becomes this. Cyclical thing where I'm focused on, can I trust them? They're focused on can they trust me and neither of us are giving off trusting vibes and so we're starting to read. This person isn't trustworthy. And that makes us even more closed off and then they're reading that we are not trustworthy in it's. Bad News So. They have that conversation and then immediately following it. I tyler also did check in with Bailey. And they had a conversation again about leg, they're working together under the radar. Looking out for each other that sort of thing. Tyler then is going to have a conversation with cody in the Hoa Trim and they finally like open up a bit tyler finally opens up a bit. And Cody. lets him know like man you're the one I wanNA work with like year the one I can make really talk to. Enzo is great but he's he's a little much and this was always again this is what we talk about with ends. This is the problem with Enzo is that like? Big, personality very on great stories. But, it's hard to connect to him on a human level and cody I think is being genuine in this. Again, Tyler was the first person he went to when the feeds were on when he was H. Your wage, I think he really does want to work with tyler the most he's worried about him. and. So he's like like you I can like I get like you get it like I talk to you about anything. You're you're good. You're smart. You're chill. Like this is this is who I want to work with. And entire same man's same absolutely and so they talk about. Christmas and Danny don't seem to get along very well, this Memphis group is probably not going to work. In Like we need some like team building exercises or something. To build some trust here, but it needs to be natural to. So it's like it's hard. So they, this is a very good conversation for Tyler not a great conversation for cody thank. I agree because I do think that cody needs tyler to not be against him but I don't think that cody should trust tyler one hundred percent. and. So if cody was just playing tyler to get him on board and doesn't really trust him in, really would prefer to work with like Enzo. Great for cody if cody was being. And really does really WanNa Work Tyler closely then I'm. Concerned with him because it's kind of like like that's going all in that's that's risking it. All that Tyler is not gonNa stab you and I think it's possible that Tyler runs the game with cody. I think they can do really well together like that but. If Tyler is not all in with cody. Like he wasn't calling JC. That's going to be dangerous for cody. Yeah haven't really hasn't been a big cody update to this point, but I do have a Lotta, cody takes I. Just I. I've always been in the same boat as you bid defending cody's Big Brother Sixteen game really high on how he played then and really you know considered him a big threat coming into this game I. Think a lot of people did I'm pretty sure you went high on a lot of drafts out there that people were really feeling good about him. But as it started to play out like last night, I agreed more with the Brenton Melissa side of things I didn't. I didn't I think originally gave them a nine I was I wasn't feeling that myself. By the way I overreacted to these when I read these cards I overreacted. Because like because that's the thing. That's the thing about reading updates not watching yourself is that people who give the updates they have. Certain opinions about things. From and like it's the same with listening to this podcast by the way like I like anytime you're hearing something repeated through something else even if you're directly, you're going to have your own sort of filter on how you see things. And so I feel like a lot of people want tyler to be against. and. So I feel like what I was reading was kind of like Oh tyler's against cody exciting he's GonNa work with Jon Allen case or like I didn't quite get that nearly as much when I walked off. Well I was at a seven I still feel like I am at a seven as of right now it just it felt to me like like as I've been watching cody the season, I think. I've like the best way I guess described as I feel like he's trying to play the cody and the Derek at the same time because he doesn't have the Derek anymore. So he's got to be the one that is like the master, the one that's doing all the work and pulling people in, but it's not it's not him. That's not his game. That's not what he excels in you know making. These connections, he's good at he's good at having social game kind of thing. But when it's I, don't know it just made me at some of these people that he's trying to force it with the Tyler and cody thing like I I on the first day when they came together I was like, okay I can see it. But then as time has gone on I, think at least tyler has been. Kind of realizing that. Maybe this is not the natural ally that I think works best with me these two don't. vibe as well as coated. Derek, four as Tyler did with Casey they wanted to work because they think that there should people that kind of know like just can work well together. It's just their personalities. They don't think. Click. Enough for me to actually believe in them going forward and I kind of feel like that's where tyler is as well. A lot of what cody he's been doing I've been. A little underwhelmed with as I'm not saying doing anything bad like I said a you know seven or even eight. I think he still up there doing well and I agree with your reasons for the nine. In some ways, it's just that I feel like he has been not as authentic with these conversations and people aren't giving him their full trust. There are some people that are there memphis you know whether it's Danny Nicole that are feeling okay with 'em feeling good with them I just feel like I'm not as impressed with him as I thought, it would be to this point. But of course, he's H. H will have to see next week how you know how things start to play out when he has a lot less pressure on him, and he can kind of just relax and use that social game to you know really work on those bonds at he has people without it being like I'm in a position of power and you're coming to me. All right. So we then are going to get Enzo and Bailey have a conversation and those talking about like. France and they're not winning winning again these winners. Enzo is is is anti he is he's as Nicole friends the worst fear. We also got. Cody. Franson Danny talking again about the core four as I mentioned a little bit earlier. The. Backyard is open still there like hanging out the have nots get to eat. It was very joyous. got some alcohol. and. Like all of the usual suspects were kind of like hanging out near the HAMMOCK MINUS MEMPHIS? The originator of the Lions and they were like, Hey, this is a good crew like this is. Like this I was fun they were like hanging out they were getting along they were joking. And So. That that was interesting. We also heard. Day Von talked to the cameras about her priorities in the game. that. She likes Nicole Anthony and she likes Kevin in them. But. She kinda wishes that she didn't like commit so much to them. Already because her real priorities in the game right now our daily I than Enzo Danny Cody and France. But she's still worried about ends all. Still worried about France because of their history. But that's the group that she feels the most comfortable with and. This is this is why this is why for me I'm worried about them not wanting to win wage. Feel I feel like they're too comfortable here in this group and I don't Know Bailey is in the same spot I. Think Bailey might be a little less attached to that group but I don't know. But if but if this is Dave Vons position, I am worried that Avon will get too comfortable in this group and I don't know. We'll see I also don't want her to do what happened what she did last time, which is like, Oh, I don't want to be in this group because I'm at the bottom of it and I'm going to blow it up. Because that office won't work either. So. I think. She's still in a better spot than she has been in the past I like her position overall. I just don't want her to trust them I want her to appear to trust them but I don't want her to like actually fully trust them that makes. Yeah. No it does and the more you talk about it the more I. I can come around to seeing what you you know your point about how she needs to win power because I mean, it's it's If we end up in a situation next week where Janelle is gone after we two and now all of a sudden like a case, there's not as much of a threat anymore, and then maybe eventually people are starting to look at von bail the as people that are in a position and you know they're not exactly with us it's it's tough and obviously we need vons reads to get a little bit better. We need her to be a little bit more solidified in who she knows she can trust and who she can and can't. I mean, that's that is she's not the only one. She's been I. Think the one most consistently talked about with some. Rough reads especially since she tells us everything that's on her mind, which is a good and a bad thing But yeah so I don't know I think she maybe overtime we'll start to realize that you know like the Nicole relationship specifically not the best to hold onto forever. But right now it does seem like a thrill again. Once we get past this first week I think a lot of people will start to kind of see exactly where other people lie especially, you know going into the next age so we'll see. On right. Christmas and Memphis also had a couple of conversations throughout the day talked about alliance names Christmas wants the incinerators. MEMPHIS mentioned the usual suspects? As she brought that up to cody's you brought it up to tyler. They also talked about. How they don't really trust her. And stuff like that. But. That's that's pretty much it for the day. Matt did you have anything else that you want to bring up? The had some covert testing. Did at nighttime. So if anyone was curious about that, they go one by one into the diary room, they get test that. Looks not fun to take. And they were all freaking out a little bit about that came back out crying some not because I think goes so far up in your head. There's that stacked is asked a couple times now and Get it in they were talking about how geno called out cody was yesterday for when They cody met Evil Dick and Amanda refused to shake her hand. I guess yesterday. Saying. Serious foot in mouth. I guess so. I I. Know that I saw that conversation. So I just didn't know if it was yesterday or whatever but. It was a little awkward cody is. Again and a little another little example of cody kind of running around and not exactly having the ripening for everybody. I mean he's he's playing with journals. Now, he's not playing with Victoria's so he's got to be a little bit more careful about how he reacts to conversations that just come really quick Adams. There's that but no otherwise not much. I have my sights set on Kevin. That's my. That's my end of odd guest. All here I think Kevin is somebody really look forward to to to look at going forward I think he's a very high candidate are very likely candidates to win this H.. Regardless of what the competition is anybody that's in this position of coming off the block like feels like they were just fighting for their life for the past week, they want power the most. So I can easily see going to Kevin and a just fun stuff. We'll see how that goes. All right. So that's what we have for you. Thank you guys so much for joining us. You can find me on twitter at Armstrong. Teheran are on twitch twitch TV slash Armstrong matter can people find you? Buy Me on twitter at met. Liguori if anybody is not followed along. Amman. started a glee podcast over the past couple of months and we are deep into it. So if you are a fan if you notably fan if you WANNA become one. COME CHECK US out. 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The Purrfect COVID Test

The World at Large

33:54 min | 3 months ago

The Purrfect COVID Test

"The moroccan government suspense communication with the german embassy. The japanese foreign ministry ass china to stop forcing their diplomats to anal cova tests. French president macron admits to war crimes committed during the algerian war of independence and a plane is forced to land after a wildcat attacks. The pilot this is the world large. We are politics one thousand and one thank you for tuning into this episode of the world at large. This show is free for everyone and to keep it that way. Consider supporting us. Through the link in our description you can support us by leaving a review subscribing and sharing with a friend as well now without further. Ado please enjoy this. Episode of our podcast. Hello everybody welcome to another episode of the world at large clearly. Johnny by the intro. We have some very bizarre stories going on in the world. So i wanna hear about as soon as possible slow go. I will go. But i wanted to get this news as soon as possible. Ian ian has to continue to laugh at the trump. He thought that was hilarious. So i stick. I don't know what he's talking to stick around until the end of the podcast listens bloopers because Ian clearly is not able to keep themselves together. Who filming intro. So look forward to that guys must have been somebody of. Yeah okay. Well it's the person in the back of the types of script to our podcast like one of those people in the courtroom Type was them. But i called out. Can't remember the politics The moroccan the story of the day That's what we're here for is so a lot of news but we're going to be starting out in morocco. That is because the moroccan government has suspended its ties with the german embassy located in the capital robot. So they do this well that my friends is very good question. It's quite complicated. The moroccan governor did not say specifically as to why they suspended ties. But we can do some inferring. A us geo political experts can do we can conjure up some inferences so contract your finest inference. Sergio political experts are. I will hall nas outboards. He is the minister of morocco. He said that this was due to germany. Not understanding the priorities of moroccan foreign policy so that is purposely. Vague is if he said something specific that you can get into a whole lot of hullabaloo with a bunch of other neighbors so You gotta keep fake. That's normally have geopolitics is Is one country. Does something bad than liked one of another country didn't like it. They'll they'll condemn like the general action said of that country specifically Just so does not point fingers but like you kind of know what they're trying to set. I'm have reported to set this in a statement. He said an morocco wishes to preserve its relationship with germany but this is a form of warning expressing unease over many issues there will be no contact until we have received answers to various questions. We have post so this has to do with a few things. Let's do something for instance so before. President trump left office. He recognized bronco sovereignty over the western sahara of and this is a region in the south of morocco. It's very very westernmost point in the last point in In africa that believe spanish actually ended up holding It's its last hurt. They lost in africa. And it's not home to that many people it's very desert area but there's there's hundreds of thousands of people that live there although most of them are concentrated in the north under rocket control on there is still a large movement Pushing for the independence of western sahara. We'll get into that in a minute. However trump recognized rock sovereignty over this region And this is different because most westernized industrial powers tend not they tended to stay very neutral on his We organized western sahara that. That's an issue. it's not. It's not in our best interest to do that. He did that because he wanted morocco to recognize the state of israel. So it's kind of like a trade off the. Us will recognize western sahara as rockin and rocco put your arm around israel to make some peace happen over here right. We got it become friends. Little they did. They became friends and well banda. I mean we'll see how that plays out but that's what actually happened in. So the german government proceeded at the time to criticize his action by the united states. Saying that the essentially the. Us should not have done that. You were supposed to be neutral in this type of stuff. You shouldn't be trading this just for political gain which israel recognizing rock recognizing israel as a state Is what was considered to be political. Game for president trump. So that's the german government was trying to say is. That's a bad idea but there are people is independence movement. The official stance of the united nations is that Western sahara has the right to self-determination so kind of going against that by giving them the ability to wrap giving morocco the official declaration that western sahara is officially. there's So when all said and done after this reaction after us did all that This angered the moroccan government They want less than they think. It's there's the the citizens of iraq or very passionate about but this part of the region of this part of the world using under it being a of their country of this. The it's very high support for this but outside of there is a lot of dispute was lost. People are very against morocco part Government was very angry. They don't like that on. The german government criticized at least this and so this is where we're going to get into the conflict there and this is because of the conflict with the polisario front which vice for an independent state in the western sahara region. And they only control about twenty percent of the region controls the other eighty percent. But they're trying their best and they'll get there one day. Maybe this is obviously. As i said earlier this conflicts back when the spanish us to rule the western sahara and since then the region has been tossed around by different governments. No no one has really control the entire thing since the spanish haven't even that there's been a lot of civil war because spanish kinda they were facing a lot of rebellions. Didn't to deal with it so martinez like hey let me take that off your hands for you It so it's spanish. Know what finally gave it to them then. There is a war there in which there is another rebellion and and Martin ended up pulling out in giving it to them. However morocco has continued to assert its claims over the region And so that's kind of where the monitor conflict is coming from and so the nation that's actually trying to develop in the western sahara's the saw suhari arab democratic republic Which has been stabbed share. They recognize themselves as a state. They're trying to become a sovereign country however the united nations has not actually set like. Yeah you can be a country that they haven't done anything they have done that your recommendation stuff and everyone knows if you're going to be in the cool kids club to be a country gotta have the un recognize you. I'm i'm sorry guys if it's just gotta happen So that the titans taking admitted into the into the elite elite savini country. It's the un is not recognize that instead of they said we want the the democratic republic of hirose. We want them to become. We have a right to self-determination. They they'd have a right to. But contrary idaho morocco panic control eighty percent of their lands. So yes see how. It's difficult for me to recognize you when you don't control most of your territory and so that's that's kind of situation there. And so. But that's why morocco's anger still like. Hey germany germany. Last time i checked you have absolutely nothing to do with the western sahara. So keep your nose in your your. Do this out of here phil beth feinban Expert on level wendling street percents on path to fluency. Saw you guys Look in so. He doesn't understand that he only knows. Duberstein mont a anyway. So morocco sang stat of this germany. This has nothing to do with you. and i'm kind of angry so you're embassy. Guess what you can you can suck this. This nice up camel. I i don't know guys. Listen that's a a popular moroccan. Insult used by rock across the nation to other people. Yes it's quite It's a. It's a very degrading insult. Yes indeed. I noticed other stops in morocco sites camels. It's very. I was trying to think of the most stereotypical thinking of middle eastern. That's mostly due middle africa. Well a lot of people consider north africa. Part of the middle east are not well. I'm just as part of north africa. People a lot of people you know depending on who you ask will conflate north african the middle east or the middle east as like north africa the middle east Interesting when you think about middle east it's not like a continent is just it's up for. It's almost up for argument. People sit or even egypt. Parliamentary stripe shifts in north africa. But almost everyone associates that with the middle east you'll goes all the way down to like sudan. Essentially the arab the arab league right. What's is what's considered to be the middle east by lot of people but that's up for debate Yeah i guess. I said it was part of the middle east but I guess culturally religiously. It's pretty similar at least to spain in the north but anyways Good discussion But essentially rocker or saying. Stand my business german. You have nothing to do with this. And so the kingdom of rocco believes that it has a right to be present in the negotiations regarding the libyan civil war as well and the reason that i bring this up is because berlin. Germany held this meeting and they wanted to settle. What's going on in the civil war. You know we have this interim government et al sarraj. We talked about him before he's out. There's a new government now Interim government and then we still have half tar rebel. General and germany was trying to negotiate some type of treaty between them. I don't wanna fighting each other. It's bad for business and so you stay. They held the berlin of a lot of other countries in the region. Were taken there in the to discuss. How the war is could possibly come to a conclusion. Morocco's not invited. They're not finding to cool kids table. And rocco's ferry eight create about this. Is they wanna go then. Want go to berlin and they want to discuss of the conflict. They they're like well. This war affects me. Greatly in the region Unlike you germany. I'm actually here. So i don't understand why i'm on a part of this conversation so A lot of analysts are saying that this was also a reason why barack was mad so combined yet. No you don't you don't wanna you wanna get involved my western sahara thing. That's one thing germany. But you don't invite me to the meeting aright embassy. We're not talking to you anymore. so you see the drama going on here and that's kind of what's happening and so. The german government has not said much in the form of a reaction yet to all of this. Because you expect them to say something. The only thing that was that was said. And this was not an official statement by the deputy head of the parliamentary group on the mahgreb states So he'll algeria. Julia libya and morocco all those countries in that part of the world in tunisia. The crap and So this guy. He kind of works on that in the german parliament. His name is old rich left lester. And he said to the fella and he said this end quote exactly what. The motivation was has to be clarified We suspect that it is germany and the european union's stance on the issue of western sahara. So again you speculating as to why morocco is doing this to the embassy. But again it's unclear Being being very vague but one can make in operation and from there a suspicion this inferences at your speaking of earlier political expert law. We all the experts on that you'll politics years. We must have a fridge exit the or you started the frenchaccent assist you in a pompous arrogant intellect accent. Yeah that's us that's us. Thomas arrogant idiots microphones. Who should probably stop talking about this. So we're gonna move onto ian favorite story of the day because We took five minutes film intro. Because ian thought this was hilarious and i thought it was a funny story too so that's why included in that is. That stories have emerged from both. The united states now the japanese diplomats at getting annoyed and they find itself self deprecating that they have to get tested for the coronavirus. You might be saying. He tested kobe. That's bad when we all know. Sing we stick. That swallowed are no. I will know. Because when diplomats enter china they required to get a test however these new reports have stated that the diplomats and other staff are forced into taking a test with an anal swap And so that is where the controversy has kind of stem from because people are saying. Whoa whoa whoa. Whoa whoa what's wrong with the nose. Really an aol swap that. That seems a little bit. Invasive of an reportedly these tests started in january and have been continuing. Ever since i at so china is the only country that's actually doing this on a mass scale At so china is saying that look. I'm doing that. We're not we're not doing that. Were these diplomats. They're not getting enough tests. They're lying. they're lying a week. We don't do any of that stuff. And i'll get more into that So originally these complaints were resurfaced from american diplomats. Who getting really annoyed by this saying that every time they go back to the. Us night come back again. Another handle suave stuck up there and it was annoyed. Them and agent and western media started to bring this up a lot more and so now. The japanese government has jumped in on this nave officially asked beijing to stop giving tests Diplomats as well as japan's closer. There's a lot more travel back and forth. so you can see how the annoyance with start to rise so. This request was officially released. By tokyo and quote some reported to our embassy in china. They received anal spot tests which caused great psychological pain. Our embassy has requested. Japanese citizens be excluded from anal. Pcr tests as some japanese ex ex. Patriots expressed the opinion that these tests produce significant psychological distress. So i'm just confused why they felt the need to make this official announcement and release it to the disney could just sent an email you know. China at gmail dot com. How google so. I don't know in concede all the ambassadors Hey guys i know this is awkward. But can you stop sticky things up of our ambassadors ass. You'd be preferred Allowed to say well okay. So here's the thing in in order for Stuff on the large scale such as this to be acknowledged You have to make public so that the chinese government is forced to respond to take more than they're pretty much. Admitting us happened. So you have to bring international attention to it. And more i need. The world is on these anal swamp while furthermore the bigger reason is that all revolves mapped pressure on china. But this is happening to american diplomats as happy to japanese diplomats nam than you assume it's happening to everyone's diplomats unless they're specifically chinese just hate americans and japanese people anyone else but the damage other diplomats are probably going through it and you know face if they release it as a public statement than maybe other people pile on of it so this'll china underlying like the ale test better the other diplomats on his as only the stuck up japanese american diplomats. Who who have to make a huge fuss about this. You know. I hear about their safety and get the most accurate test it. They don't like you don't have to keep flying back. It seems like they want it. That's my well. That is certainly one way to look at it in spy rope high of respond politics. One thousand one does not officially heavy statement the on peop- on diplomats enjoying anal swab tests. I'm not saying the in statement. I is asking the tough questions. why Flying that because their job there's that they want their pension. Hello so that's a good point. But i'm i'm just throwing it out there. Okay you can throw it out there. But i hope you guys see type of person So anyways zambian okay. They interpret that. China has denied that they are participating in this with diplomats. They said that they had quote never requested. Us diplomatic personnel in china to undergo anal swabs. In that they are in that the tests that they were giving the That they were giving were a Science based so Us cracking up so The as you as you can see the chinese are very determined to deny us of so. It's kind of weird that this many people are accusing the chinese of of this happening is they're not doing it. Seems like we're oddly. Specific thing to bring up. It wasn't happening so odd challenge. Just come home to your family after diplomatic mission to china's say honey. I've had to get an anal swab test. Just so you know. This is a little embarrassing. So i'm saying maybe there are some weight to the accusations Maybe mid that there certainly is. There's a lot of people are speaking out about it. In the reason that is even more credible because there are tests going on all around a beijing. The chinese government forces their citizens as many times to actually get anal swab tests instead of the classic knows thing in major cities around china like this. The procedures have tried gonna test So that that's why you're doing all over china. Why wouldn't you do it in the airport. When i arrive is doing airport for most people. So that's what's happening so in the airport. Well go to a room assure ruined throat. Staying there In case you guys were interested in test is as i. I don't think i am go for it while case if you guys want to get a visual description of its it's a three centimeter cotton swabs swamp. And it's it's it's just starting the innocent rotated for a few seconds I'd look look. I'm not going to hide data for you guys because remember you were talking about inferences earlier. Yeah maybe people can make inferences okay. Well you're right. You're is three to five seven. I was i was on the lower spectrum but it's three to five centimeters. Thanks for clarifying few well. Once it goes into the innocent rotates from from there you make you. Try to make the inference as to what happens after that anyways. I've enjoyed that. Okay so we're gonna move out our but before we get started. Let me tell you about a free platform called anchor. So what is anchor. Well as. I said it's free. And what can you do with this re platform. Will you can upload and edit your podcast from your computer or your phone and it will distribute it for you entire apps. 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Flashback is that this was one of the bloodiest wars in french history Besides you know the revolution but has there were two or more one. But besides those tiny conflicts Small we have the interior war of independence. And this is when thousands of people were killed throughout All the major battles and fights between the two sides those being the the national liberation front which the nfl n Which is you might be thinking national liberation front. F that abbreviation doesn't work out less because it's the fronton nacion so something like that is. French is french but we call it the national liberation france. Because we translate your politics thousand one and the other side was obviously the french army. And so there's a lot of fighting there because the algierians they really wanted independence early bad and the french didn't want to give it to them. In one of the biggest battles in the war was the battle of algiers which is the modern day capital geria- And like you know clashes around the country like a few hundred and eighty two three thousand troops on both sides. Five thousand algerians troops like ten thousand french troops. This was one of the huge battle and What are the most infamous. Death's from the war. Was that of ali bowman jail and she was a famous lawyer and militant during that period map. Bring him up because during the battle. He was detained by the french army and forced into solitary confinement. The french did this a lot of people of you know they would. They would arrest people hundreds not thousands at they throw them in jail or they take them back to france arrests them a lot of stuff. That was happening. Recently this was a big deal is because at the time which was the late nineteen fifties case. He wanted context The french government deemed his eventual death as a suicide at a suicide during solitary confinement. In which said he jumped from six story building and literally kill himself. I'm however the the the notion this notion was kind of accepted by a lot of people of however there were a lot of people who buy it for example on the this. This place is part of the war was known for a lot of war crimes that were happening in the time by the french And there there are activist groups in algeria and france. Today that are asking for the data to be released but at anyways Blumenthal they classified his death as a suicide Eventually die in uae So what was actually happened is he was. He was killed by the french in. He was tortured killed for information by the french. Thrown out of the window. The front of building of so. It's not actually suicide in. This information came to light yesterday. Which is why it's a big deal has a kind of confirms french. War crimes a lot of the time. The french have up until this point very much for the most part covering it up and so this was this. Come from macron directly. Who's talking with boom and giles. Family in paris He he said that yeah he said quote he did not commit suicide. He was tortured and then kills Set that and then he also went on to say he had quote looking our history in the face acknowledging the truth it will not it will enable us to kill all still open wounds but will help to create a better path for the future and quote. He's acknowledging the crimes he understands that the all france was a little bit bad. Some stephanie did But this is a big deal because people are saying it's i many crimes will be unleashed mandrell. Believe it or not was like a huge. This was like a huge thing in a tie. The iphone then does your look george floyd. That's better that's a little better. I'll say snot were but like what people are saying about. George floyd house very split right now. Politically right Is like that michelle. That time everyone knew his name around the world airlines like this guy was commit suicide building. I don't buy it and some cronin admitted to maybe the epstein gifts yesterday yes so. There's this honor. Comparisons you can make That's it interesting. Sorry that the french actually admitted that. But anyways we're gonna move out and this is to go into bellarusse guys end on tuesday. Belorussian president of alexander lukashenko said in a meeting on tuesday in the capital mints. There will be no transfer of power terms of political leadership within belarus And this kind of a big deal because Well a lot of people suspected this but he Look shangqiu choice. Said he's a man of the constitution of belarus. He respects the process But he's clearly not wanting to step down in this. Tim saying there's not going to be transferred powers kind of confirming so we sent this end quote. No transfer powers possible in belarus. Everything will be in accordance with the constitution. The new constitution as said before we will adopt in january to february of next year. And that is when the transfer of power will the about so now not realize. It's not really the time bellarusse. Obviously last year held elections in which the opposition leader supposedly lost however According to lukashenko's he went over eighty percent of the vote. And so that's where the dispute comes in because what democracy nowadays does one party to eighty percent of the vote. It's pretty much nonexistent as far as we can tell unless the the alleges raked in the western world tends to believe that the election that went down in belarus was in fact rid of so. That's why it has been disputed by the international community in so lukashenko saying now wasn't Farrell actually come on and he said he's not going to step down and so there's been a lot of criticism that has been thrown towards lukachenko. Because of this like oh okay. So you're you're just openly admitting this now like before we kind of look the other but not really anymore and that is because he is becoming a political puppet of putin this is according to the critics not not me In due to him relying on the russian president a lot for the for his support in the months following the election last year And so what do i mean by this well last year when the when the happened we can remember literally tens of thousands of people around belarus in the streets thousands of people around the world at protesting lukashenko the russian army actually came in and in russia help to protect lukashenko and help them stay in power during that time and furthermore Russia recognizing the belorussian election as legitimate is a big help for the shackle. Because how is he going to stay in power for a a world. power recognizing is legitimacy. And so that's why when putin came in and helped them those helpful for him however lukashenko has kind of run his country. Based on a more nationalist campaign saying that belarus is not a part of russia in south. he was up to the up to that point. The election was going pretty well for him. In terms of ham actually posing a lot of major russian policies however however Russia kinda like interferes once again in helping lukashenko and so therefore a lot of critics are being like all right. Well now this is reversed now. I was kinda buying it before but not really anymore. Now looks just a puppet of russia again and so lukashenko theory mad and he said that being a satellite of russia was quote stupid and he said it was also unnecessary and he said this as well and quote. Bellarusse is a sovereign independent state. The world has changed so much that the talks about belarus joining russia or russia joining belarus are any other kind of merger with single administration. The world has changed so much that it would be foolish to even senator in well part of russia. Who are you. tell me on par. Now bellarusse is the best shrunk is country guys. It was part of russia. How dare you accuse aids. It's stupid a widely. If there's no reason for it we have our own industry. Our economy our military our language while we want to be part of russia union is not very helpful and because there has been a love talks of a union happening from within an outside of villers it's lukashenko most importantly said that his son would not become president after him because the cost of the constitutional process needs to be carried out. You know. I understand that maybe guys might be suspicious about me but look. I'm a pure heart a politician. I'm not gonna let my son just become president My present turkmenistan. We cover that story guys. Oh wow politics one thousand one. Last month i know yeah in february. So check that out but anyways The you saying look i. i'm following. The constitutional order just happened to win this election with eighty percent of the vote. So that's constitutional rights might not allowed to be so popular mike own country. Anthony john chronic. That's that's where the argument is is right now. All right So that is all the story belarus however we have one more port magnificent story for today and that is a plane was forced to land in carsoup sudan and it was leaving from khartoum sudan so left the airport and then immediately land again so why. Why did he do this well. This is because the plane was forced to make an emergency landing after a quote aggressive quote cat attack the pilot. Meow cat pissed off. The plane was flying again. from khartoum. the capital sudan to the to the qatari capital of doha however had doing emergency landing. Is the cat somehow snuck into the cockpit before take off after the plane left the ground. It was spotted so the staff to grab it in restrain and start scratching moment. The couch saw ingredient moved onto the pilot started scratching the pilot. And so this was. This was as you suspected a convenience to say the least. It'd be a scene in a cartoon or something. Yeah so The this this made the pilot all mad. They had to get the cadillac. It was an angry cat. I know what was wrong with it but probably headed anal swab test. Visited china visited was on that plane and the plane just came from china. Have kenneth anal soft. He was livid took it out on the pilot. Yeah so Yeah it was really angry pilot. And so there is a lot of some suspicion flying around as to how this chat actually got on the plane but is suspected that climbed aboard during the pre-takeoff engine inspection next went to the pit and it showed their a spotted grabbed. It ended Pulled out its claws these tiny animals. They look innocent. They can be very deadly earliest. Really annoying if they want to be honest but anyway. I agree with the expert. Anyways guys I hope you enjoyed that story. And the rest of stories that i presented for you today. The news is always running. 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#14 Ian Watkins, The Lost Prophet

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#14 Ian Watkins, The Lost Prophet

"Thank you for tuning into the fun time. Horror show most of the stories we will share our true events unless otherwise stated and will contain descriptions of gore and violence. Some stories shared could have detailed accounts of sexual events. This show may also give what may appear to be great ideas to some stupid people listener. Discretion is extremely advised Welcome back peeps creeps and freaks to another fun time horror show. i am regarded. And i'm here to open this episode for lucas. Who's got a doozy of story for you today. If you're here. I'm gonna assume you are a fan of all. Things gruesome interesting twisted and disturbed. However i feel the need to press a very serious trigger warning to this episode today. This episode will contain topics such as rape and pedophilia. If you're a sensitive topics. That is one hundred percent understandable and i to stop listening right now and move on to one of our more upbeat. Unwholesome episodes like man's best friend or the fall of the wall or simply wait for the next episode to drop. All things are okay. This is not an easy story to share with you folks but one that should be heard if for nothing else than to be a warning fame even small shreds of it does not equal a moral center and just because someone is famous to any degree does not make them say. There are predators in every walk of life without exception as a survivor of both sexual assault and childhood sexual trauma. I can tell you firsthand that these scars these victims will now have to carry. Because of these men will never fully heal and some imprint of these traumas will affect every part of their adult lives. It is a dangerous thing for a child to be trusted and the presence of any adult actor or musician or anyone who holds any level of influence or fame even greater responsibility as someone who holds any degree of famer influence to be trusted with fans or admires. Especially minors with that being said. The moral of this story is consent consent consent. A child can never give consent. No exceptions an intoxicated. Adult cannot give consent no exceptions and unconscious adult cannot give consent no exceptions consent can be withdrawn validly at any time and must be respected no exceptions men and women. Make this your mantra. If you cannot adhere to these simple rules seek help immediately for the child predators you are not a minor attracted person you are a pedophile. You are not a member of the lgbtq. I plus community as a card carrying member and representative of this community. I can say this with my whole chest. You will never be considered a member of this community you are a pedophile. Now that we're all on the same page and without further ado. This is the story in watkins and davi vanity. Take it away nephew. The band lost profits. Were a welsh alternative rock band. That was active from nineteen ninety-seven through two thousand thirteen as you heard from the clip just now last year. They had a sound that was pretty typical for the time that it was a hit which was back in twenty four. I was pretty big into rock as a kid. Not only did. I listen as a fan but i also played guitar. Wrote lyrics ended vocals mostly metal. But i knew what good music sounded like. Music is subjective. So i can only provide my opinion. What i didn't like about them was. They were incredibly mediocre. They didn't completely suck but nothing was really great about them. My point well really more rant before we dive in. I just wanted you to know. They were like the nickelback of european rock. Just okay so why is it exactly that you need to know about lost prophets. Well because i want to tell you a little bit about their singer. A guy by the name of ian watkins as always. Let's start with a little bit of biographical information. Our guy ian ian david cars. Watkins was born in mathur. Tiff del on july thirty nine thousand nine hundred seventy seven. He was raised in pontypridd where he attended hawthorne high school with future loss. Prophets bandmate mike. Lewis the pair bonded over a mutual love for metal and rock music and they would form a thrash band in nineteen ninety one by the name of aftermath like most teenagers. Do they start a band and they practiced in the shed and watkins backyard. Aftermath only played live twice in the span of two years. And then they disbanded. This was pretty much how it went for watkins for a while. He formed a band inspired by american punk and hardcore by the name of flesh bind. This banded a little better than aftermath playing more than two shows and even opening for welsh rock band eater but flesh bind ultimately fizzled out as well. Watkins reunited with mike lewis as a drummer and formed another hardcore band by the name of public disturbance in one thousand nine hundred ninety five watkins and lewis would ultimately form the ban that would bring them fame and fortune loss. Province debut in may of nineteen ninety-seven along side public disturbance by nine hundred ninety eight. Watkins left public disturbance to focus on loss. Prophets the band. That would take him from the welsh music personality to a bona fide star. I'm sure by now you're thinking well that's all well in great lucas. But this isn't vh one behind the music. What are you getting that. Ian watkins celebrity was an accomplice of sorts to a more darker perverse side. He had ian was a bit of a philanthropist. His mother suffered from a kidney condition and was in need of a transplant so naturally he lent his talents to the kidney wales foundation and on new year's eve twenty eight loss prophets played a benefit concert for this noble cause. We're watkins encourage fans to sign the h. S organ donor register in a bid to increase the numbers of organs available for transplant. What a nice guy. He loves his mum but the charity work didn't stop there given his celebrity and closeness to the 'cause he also began to work with the kidney wales foundation in visited children at their bedside who were suffering from kenya disease. And we'll do photo ops with both patients and staff speaking in twenty eight. Watkins said i had a great time meeting all the kids. Lots of the children are waiting for a kidney transplant. But there's a desperate shortage of donors. That's why we need more people to join the organ donor register and help save a life one day. He said he was inspired to headline the concert. At cardiff university students union great hall after being contacted by a loss prophets fan who had kidney failure. He was described as such a genuine person by fans of his work. Watkins said i'm really proud to be the charities new ambassador for young people and we'll be working with them on the donate wales campaign. We can continue to get more young people to sign up perhaps due to having been raised by a baptist minister stepfather watkins was openly straight edge in would boast about how he and his band didn't consume drugs or alcohol bitches. This was a big source of pride for him. That's why it was a little shocking. When in june of twenty ten it was reported to south wales police that watkins was selling drugs to minors to pay for his own heroin and crystal meth avenue and he actually smuggled drugs into the uk and his cavities when traveling with lost prophets. Interestingly numerous reports would be made to police and crime stoppers about watkins from december. Twenty eight and go on to june twenty twelve. When finally taken seriously by police they would lead to his arrest. And let's review some of these complaints. It's not really a spoiler alert to say that he was arrested. That's not the story here. It's the gruesome details about what he did to get himself thirty five years in prison. That's what we need to tell you. december twenty eight watkins ex partner telephones authorities and tells them that. The singer has given an infant child cocaine and had touched a child inappropriately. This information was passed on to south wales police march. Twenty ten information is received by crime stoppers and is entered into a south wales police log. The information claims watkins was involved in child pornography it stated he got images of boys and girls aged around eight years of age and his computer he also stated he wanted to get involved in sexual relations with children. It was also reported that watkins used cocaine crack cocaine crystal meth and heroin. June twenty ten information is again received by crime stoppers and is once again entered into a south wales police log. It is claimed that watkins was selling drugs to minors to pay for his own heroin and crystal meth habit and smuggled drugs into the country and his cavities when traveling with the lost prophets it's also stated that watkins obtained viewed and produced child pornography and watched it on his computer. It has said that he claimed to have molested a four year old and have used facebook and twitter to groom underage boys and girls watkins phone number address and email address were provided august. Twenty ten for the third time. In six months information is received by crime stoppers and entered into the south wales police law. It claimed watkins young girls from the age of fourteen to have sex with him after gigs and recorded the axe on his laptop it said he took over their social media network to stop them from telling other people and threatened to come around and sort them out if they told anyone. I felt like sorting someone outside like the english waves. Animal up your ass october. Twenty ten a report by person known as witnessed be is made to the metropolitan police which is passed onto the south wales police. It states that watkins boasted about having child porn on his computer and had said he wanted to marry a woman and turner into a junkie and have children with her to abuse. Them may twenty eleven. A complaint is made to the association of chief police officers email regarding the lack of police action. Police were made aware that watkins was molesting a four year old child and had boasted about having molested a twelve year. Old girl in los angeles police were provided with photographs of the four year. Old watkins had abused as well as mobile in laptop data to supply evidence of conversations with watkins. The email is concluded by disclosing that watkins was raping at least one five year old girl on a regular basis and had a female accomplice february two thousand twelve. A report is made by a person named witnessed a at pontypridd police station. He claimed that his daughter may have been molested in. There may have been photographic evidence march twenty zero. A report is made to south yorkshire police by a woman named be later became one of watkins. Co-defendants she told officers. She believed ian. Watkins may have sexually assaulted her eleven month old son at the thorn hotel in cardiff and she also disclosed that he had found indecent images of children on watkins. Computer she also said. There were rumors that watkins had raped a five-year-old the woman also provided police with the password to watkins computer where she had seen the indecent images and its location in his house. This was passed on to south. Wales police by south yorkshire police april twenty twelve mismatch. Alex sends an email to third party in essex the contents of which were reported to essex police in subsequently passed onto south wales police in the email. Miguel said watkins had told her he wanted to rape children and had tried to rape a little girl in russia. In twenty one. She said he had also done things with a twelve year. Old girl in hollywood. She said he emailed her picture of a female child and told her he had abused. Child and administered drug stor. A series of emails was sent to south wales police from an australian national main witness. D who provided information about watkins. Drug use and child molestation. She said he boasted about getting a thirteen year old and having sex with her and expressed his hope that she would fall pregnant buy-in the witness further disclosed that watkins had told her he drugs. Young girls that are underage and has sex with them in the hope of getting them pregnant. She said she had witnessed watkins having sex with young girls over skype and had since her pictures of him performing sexual activities with men and women. June two thousand twelve south wales police receive intelligence from a woman named witnessed see who claimed watkins had shown signs of unnatural interest and children and had texted her saying he wished to stupefy an infant for sexual purposes. She said he was a drug abuser and supplies in really kept drugs in his house. I've told her two thousand twelve miss mundell. Ix makes a report to bedfordshire police that watkins had set up a twitter account which super fans sent indecent images of children. This report is made following watkins arrest. So what is the follow. What i found while searching the internet. This is an excerpt from the report written. By the i guess south wales police department Because once ian was caught people were like. Why didn't you guys move on this sooner. So they had to do a report detailing what in line and all that but this fills in a big gap because everything that i searched up into this point basically talks about his abuses and then he gets arrested. But there's a raid. That happens on his house and they don't really say why. I found the details in this report. So this is what i'm going to read. This is from the The report from the south wales police on eleven. June twenty twelve south wales police received intelligence that suggested watkins showed signs of a disturbing interest and children and that he had indicated in a text message that he wished to stupefied child egg. The report also indicated that he was a drug user and that he regularly imported drugs from america which he kept at his address and account was obtained from the informant and applications for a section eight p. a. c. e. warrant and drug search lauren under section twenty three of the misuse of drugs. Act of nineteen. Seventy one were prepared. Searches were subsequently authorized at two addresses linked to watkins in the south wales police area the warrants that were executed on twenty one september twenty twelve as a result of the searches. Watkins and his partner were arrested that day. On suspicion of possessing controlled substances a large number of computers mobile phones and digital media storage devices were seized and submit it to the south wales police high tech crimes unit for examination watkins and his then partner were interviewed. Under caution of the day of their arrest both denied possession of controlled drugs. They were granted. Unconditional bail which they were due to answer at pontypridd police station on twenty five october. Twenty twelve on four october twenty twelve. Some forty indecent images of children were recovered from a media storage device seized from watkins. Home address on ten october twenty twelve and indecent image of an infant in sexual contact with an adult female was recovered from one of watkins. Mobile phones this lead to the arrest of be on of watkins's co defendants for making and distributing indecent images of children. The investigation was referred to the south. Wales police specialist crime investigation department on nineteen october. Twenty twelve on twenty two october. Twenty twelve. c. Peter doyle assumed responsibility for the investigation which was given the codename operation. Globe analysis of the seized hardware resulted in watkins being further arrested on twenty four october. Twenty twelve on suspicion of possession of indecent images of children and of publishing an obscene article. He was further interviewed and released on conditional bill later that day which he was due to answer on eleven march twenty thirteen. He was subject to a stringent bill condition on twenty one november twenty twelve a further female conspirator p. was arrested when operation globe team discovered that she had sent indecent images of child to watkins analysis of watkins. Computer equipment was a major endeavor for south wales police. He possessed more data storage. Then the whole police force some twenty seven terabytes of data analysis of remote cloud based servers was also conducted. Evidence retrieved from encrypted devices telephones was overlaid with a npr data and financial information to build a case against watkins in his fellow conspirators. Maria has already issued a trigger warning. But what i'm about to read. You is immensely disturbing last chance to turn back now. Tommy is going to play you some thinking music to decide if you wanna continue down this path or not and with that. Tell me hit it. Okay all who are still with us. I am now going to read the court. Transcript from the sentencing. Hearing a ian watkins and his co-defendants in which their wretched crimes are detail Mr justice void. Those who have appeared in these courts at the bar or on the bench over many years see and hear large number of horrific cases this case however breaks new ground any decent person looking at and listening to the material here will experience shock revulsion anger and credibly you three did plumbed new depths of depravity you watkins achieve fame and success as the lead singer of the loss prophets. You had many fawning fans they gave you power you knew you could use that power to induce young female fans to help satisfy your parent insatiable lust and take part in the sexual abuse of their young children. Away from the highlights of your public performances lay a dark and sinister side count. Eighteen dates back to march twenty seven. You met t t after a loss prophets concert when she was sixteen years old and a virgin. The prospect of her virginity excited you. You got her address into a schoolgirls outfit and you videoed her. And you having oral vaginal and anal sex. You asked her whether she enjoyed being. You're underage slut. At the end. You urinated over her face and told her to drink. That gives some insight into your attitude. Too young females at the time over five years before the counts relating to be count nineteen dates back to august twenty eight. The girl k. J. was another fan aged sixteen. You video her. Having oral sex with you she is to be seen snorting white powder with which you told her was cocaine. The taking of drugs linked with your sexual activities is a recurring theme count. Thirty one relates to about ninety indecent photos of children. They include forty five at level. Four two at level five. The age range of the children is from two to fourteen years old count thirty two involves images and videos of extreme pornography. There are twenty two images of bestiality including oral and vaginal sex with dogs watkins. And be you be. Were only nineteen when you met watkins in late. Twenty eleven the communications between the two of you. In march and april twenty twelve are seriously disturbing that you were manipulated by watkins. Maybe obvious but you were a mother. Your infant was only ten months old. A mother naturally loves protects. Shields nurtures and cherishes. Your infant would trust you implicitly. You totally betrayed that trust. What did you do. You had detailed discussions with watkins about the sexual acts to which you to going to do to your infant. You told the police you met up with watkins at the coffer thorn hotel in cardiff on twenty one march. Watkins says come down this weekend and we can fuck him up again. You text back saying. Tell me if you want to get your digging our boy you had previously referred to getting your boy high on ice in methamphetamine. This is what led up to the session at the k. West hotel in london on the night of the second to third of april recorded on the video. Did you do you present it. Your baby to him so he could trying to rape him. I in the mouth then in the anus watkins can be seen spitting on the boys bottom to facilitate his attempt. You can be heard and seen encouraging him. Could there be a greater betrayal. And then what did you do. You took your little boy's penis in your mouth and gave him oral sex. You then took the hand and put it on your own jonah. Watkins then masturbate at the boy. The planning and graphic detail are bad enough. The videoing what you were doing is an aggravating factor the enjoyment. Both of you can be seen to derive from what you were doing is both sickening and incomprehensible. What happened after this on may twenty four you send watkins a message saying the boy is ready to be abused on august second. His message is to be honest though. I think we have gone easy on him so far time to teach him to make him learn to love it. The evidence indicates you met at the mouth drawn hotel and cardiff then on nine september. You sent watkins a photo of you. Licking your son's penis counts four to seven relate to this in all it is dreadful catalogue of abuse of previously innocent boy to satisfy your own interests and lusts. You p were a little older than be your now twenty four your communications watkins start in august of twenty. Twelve is is not long before the communications turned to child sex abuse. There was talk of moving in together. Watkins said if you belong to me so does your baby. You're responded understandable. A mother daughter slave duo worshiping you. Watkins said that's all she will know. A life of filth piece said the good thing about babies is put anything near their mouths and they start sucking it. She went on to talk about her and her baby sharing watkins penis with their tongues. The subsequent communications. Planning even more depraved activities for the little girl included forcing her to engage in sex with animals and how to take drugs defy belief. This was your own flesh and blood. You were talking about watkins. You referred to the girl as mile little toy and that sums up how you regarded her not as a human being but simply as a sexual object their for your pleasure you watkins then said you cannot wait to get the mother and daughter taking crack cocaine you spoke of whoring her out to fat old men who would pay thousands. You went on. She needs to know mummy and daddy don't love her. she's just there to make us come. You spoke about torturing her fun account eleven to thirteen relate to the taking a photos by p of the little girls genitalia and then sending him to you. Watkins count fourteen relates to u. p. penetrating your daughter vagina with your finger and sending a photo of that similar image to watkins. Your response to watkins was to say you could not wait to stretch her. The lengthy split screen skype session on twelve. September is again very disturbing in viewing and listening you. Watkins encourage p. to spit on her finger and penetrate her daughter u. P. do just that with apparent enjoyment. Watkins is masturbating throughout. That is count eight. You both have pled guilty to conspiring to rape. The little girl into conspiring sexually assaulted her. The evidence is compelling that you took your infant to meet up with the watkins and travel to the lodge in carefully on the second october or at the radisson in cardiff on the twenty third of october. What happened there is not recorded. You for a long time lied saying that you'd never met up with him. You now say you did your baby with someone else. The evidence to me is compelling that you took your baby. But i do not deal with you on the basis that i bear in mind you have charged with conspiracy rather than completed offenses. Let there be no mistake. However this plea means that you accept that the two of you agreed that a little girl should be raped by watkins and you both intended that that should take place. You and watkins initiated an orchestrated the appalling abuse but you p. betrayed your daughter for your own selfish ends. You be are entitled to the standard one third discount as you entered your please at the first responsible opportunity. Watkins n. p. waited until just before the jury was sworn in on the second day. It is arguable that the case was so overwhelming that you should receive no credit but i give you the conventional ten percent. I watkins the. Ps are you spoke to the author of your desire to shock and you're craving to push sexual boundaries. This craving was fueled by their use of cocaine methamphetamine. Which increase your sexual aggression. You spoke of not knowing what extremes you have gone to for your arrest. It is difficult to imagine anything much worse. Mr watkins presents a higher risk of causing serious sexual physical and emotional and psychological harm to children both male and female and two women specifically his female sexual partners. It is also my assessment that the child victims of this case appeared to be coincidental with his need to dominate and test. The extent to which is sexual partners will collude in participate with his sexual interests. Miss told me on the last occasion. They had psychiatric report but it needed. Updating the light of changes in plea there has been put before me a short report from dr huckle prepared after visits with watkins in september and october and refers to report by psychologists. S van suck. It does not deal with the issue of dangerous and miss o'neil specifically does not ask for any adjournment to obtain further evidence. I bear in mind. A number of factors one. The facts of these offenses against these babies are enormously serious to the offense dates back. Twenty seven three the delight that watkins evidently has had when engaging in the most terrible offenses involving tiny children his need to dominate any sexual partner and his corruptive influence on young females the use of drugs in combination with sexual soul the interest of extreme pornography the almost complete lack of remorse and in this respect the evidence of the phone conversations after guilty pleas on the last occasion is enlightening. There is one further matter of concern. One of the passwords you choose which needed assistance of the g. c. h. q. To break was i kids. I have no hesitation in concluding that there is a significant risk to the public in particular young females and children of serious harm occasioned by the commission of you of further specified offenses. The risk is high. There is a psychiatric report from dr mcfarland dated on december thirteenth twenty thirteen. There's a reference in that report to your infatuation with watkins and his strong influence to year drug taking with him. The future risk of you re offending in similar fashion is a as medium. It is not considered that you are suffering from mental illness at the material time of the the authors assessment that you pose a high risk of causing serious harm. The specific risk would be failure to protect children from others and sexual abuse by you. It is said however that you appear genuinely devastated for the harm you caused your child and now his future will be affected. I have read the report from clinical psychologist. Dr k dated one september twenty thirteen. That was prepared at a time. When you were still protesting your innocence of the offenses there is an addendum dated. Seventeen december. the psychologist concluded that you had a mixed personality disorder. She also considered it likely that you use your daughter as a tool to secure watkins acceptance of you. She considered that in the long term. You would benefit from opportunity to engage in psychological interventions targeting your personality disorder and sexual offending the risk of you re offending in similar manner is assessed as relatively low. The assessment given is that you pose a medium risk of harm to children based on your current behavior. And the fact that you no longer have access to your own child who has most risk watkins your age thirty six and you have no previous convictions. Your mitigation is your lately. I also take into account that though. You're offenses over. The last six years have lost a valued position with your group. I also take note of the letters written to you on your behalf by those who know a different side of you be your age twenty one. You have one previous conviction for an offense of fraud for which. She received a suspended sentence apart from that. You're of good character. Your principal mitigation is the fact that you plead guilty to the first reasonable opportunity. There appears to be genuine remorse. Your age twenty five now and our previous good character. You have the mitigation of lately. There are signs of remorse. You be an p well hopefully mature and you're release will steer clear of corrupting influence like those of watkins. I consider that in your case. Be in your case be treat you as falling just short of the threshold for necessary. Dangerousness and determinate sentences are appropriate with watkins. This is not the case factors including culpability are the planning. And it's graphic detail the deliberate targeting and vulnerable victims the commission of the offenses by two people acting together the abuse of trust in the cases of bnp and the abuse of power in the case of watkins the commission of offenses whilst under the influence of drugs factors indicating greater. Harm are the fact that a baby in particular is vulnerable in the case of watkins more than one victim repeated assaults on the same victim additional degradation through taking photos or videos of offending. What is the position in relation to any harm suffered by these babies while it is right to say there is no evidence of any residual physical harm. It is not possible to say that what psychological harm may have been suffered or may have been suffered in the future as possible out in paragraph two point one zero of the pr for be given the very young age. It is unclear what effect of the abuse will have on him. However this child is likely to have a lifelong psychological difficulty coming to terms with what has happened to him. Despite him having been placed in a long term foster care he will eventually learn the truth of his childhood and the abuse he was subjected to the effects of which are significant and we cannot and should not underestimate the effect. This will have on him or the rest of his life. The statement from those who are now responsible for his care are very telling in this context. One obvious immediate consequence is that they will be deprived the love and care of their natural mother. There is however disturbing evidence in this respect of your daughter when her hair was analyzed. It showed she had been exposed to methamphetamine. It is said on behalf of p that she was only exposed to meth methamphetamine when company of watkins but it is urged that pd may have gone back to her baby and somehow exposed to it. It is not an issue which requires mission for rape of a child under thirteen where there is abuse of trust or more than one offender acting together. The suggested range is eleven to seventeen years with the starting point. thirteen years. The same applies to an assault by penetration of a child under thirteen sentencing. The watkins slash be counts counts one into i bear in mind these were attempts and not the full offenses although the video shows how close the full offenses these attempts were. There was no more than one offense. They were followed by further assaulting in count three. I take the starting point of seventeen years after trial. In your case watkins that reduces to fifteen point three years and your case be it reduces to eleven years and four months on count three. My starting point is four years which reduces your case watkins to three point six years which i round down to three years six months in your case p reduces the two years eight months those low run concurrently count for happened much later in september. It was a wholly separate incident of you. Licking your son's penis and taking photos of it. My starting point is four years with discount for plea. The sentencing is two years and eight months. There will be concurrent sentences of eighteen months after discount and each of the counts five and six but those sentences will run concurrently with the previous sentences on be turtles sentences therefore in her case is fourteen years on. Count seven watkins. In your case you did not produce the photo. Although it was taken for your benefit the senate will be twelve months. counts eight nine u. P. enthusiastically penetrated. Your daughter. was your finger at watkins. Behest the lengthy and distressing skype episode has already been described count. Nine is the agreement that she should be raped. My starting point for each of this is sixteen years before discount for plea that reduces the fourteen point four years which i rounded down to fourteen years and four months on each count concurrent on count ten there will be a concurrent sentence of three years after discount on counts eleven and twelve. Your sentence after discount is two years concurrent count. Fourteen is a separate incident of you holding. Open your daughter's genitals you look at a photo and it is sent to watkins. The starting point after trial on count fourteen. Four years reducing thirteen years six months on plea there will be concurrent sentences at twelve months after counts fifteen and sixteen as i propose to make these sentences consecutive to is. I have to consider to taliban done so. I use the sentence on count fourteen to two years in eight months. The total sentence for you is seventeen years in your case watkins. I have to consider the remaining counts in totality on counts thirteen seventeen eighteen nineteen thirty and thirty one. There will be concurrent sentences of twelve months. I am satisfied that you are a deeply corrupting influence. You are highly manipulative. You're a sexual predator dangerous. The public and in particular young females and children need to be protected from you. I bear in mind that such a sentence is one of a last resort. The alternative is a very long extended sentence in my judgment. Justice and protection of the public can and should be achieved by such a very long sentence. The sentences on your fences with be must be consecutive to the sentences on your fences with pete but i have to bear in mind totality i therefore adjust sentences in this way the sentences on account one and two will be fifteen years. The sentences on counts eight and nine will be. Fourteen years consecutive custodial term. Twenty nine years. I just put a post on facebook which states disclaimer. I've been drinking guys. Real recording this episode about in watkins and vanity which. We've kind of kept a secret but it's been a while. Excuse me but it's been a last minute senior as we just realized how people are few people talk about. This have been drinking. And we're doing our best to get ahead of the pack sitting here listening to what. Lucas is done recording making on-the-spot etc. I'm just absolutely awe. About what lucas is speaking into microphone. It's been a few episodes. Is we have done such gut richer or spell check is telling me that got is not a word but anyways i really hope that you guys appreciate in enjoy. What's happening in this room right now. We've just hit the halfway point. We're about fifty minutes even to our audio recording. Suddenly we both realized that we actually have episodes here. These till your friends tell you coworkers about us and tell your mama fun time. Poor show is shit. People need to hear this. We're not the podcast. You deserve with podcast. We're telling you about things you got to hear about. You know dude. I love what you said. I think that were we have have hit a new echelon of entertainment because now we're at a point where i actually think we have to say things that need to be said right. So what i'm getting at is this you know me. I'm all about the bat. Like the crazy stories. I just want to tell the murder stories but we have a responsibility to our listenership to actually. I can't let us say this brings some awareness. Well it is really funny that you say that we just did a facebook live video before we even started recording this episode and use the word awareness and i said lucas is using the word of wariness because you six months ago four months ago or whenever gave me a lecture about how you have like no care whatsoever about bringing awareness. You just wanna do fucked up story. i swear to god verbatim. That was your state. Yeah that's what i said. And that's how. I felt about what what what i'm seeing is that we're in a unique position. We actually are bringing information to a wide wider audience. That and these are things that some people know about a lot of people know about the not all people know about and it feels like we have a bit of a responsibility to i guess morality or justice. I don't know what you'd call it. I just know that these are stories like this story that were telling about ian watkins vanity. It needs to be told people need to know. Well it's interesting is like this is for you and i. We discussed this like every day. Yeah and when we're not writing we're not talking about it like our show. We're listening to other podcasts. And things like that. You've already alluded to the fact email. You just flat out said the fact that you enjoy watching id network and cold case files and like all this shit and to be honest with the audience. I've kind of. I was really huge in the podcast and so until i became responsible one and all of a sudden kind of wore off. So i've been listening to like a lot of sports radio actually. I was listening a lot of conservative. Talk radio because for some reason that seems to be the only talk radio bailable we are inactive and then i found myself getting really angry and i did like the the fall of the couple episodes and stuff which i've done two of even no one's only be released found myself on a daily becoming angry and i'm like five again. Listen to podcasts. I can't listen to the radio like the media. So i've been listening to like a lot of sports talk like every day. It's like who's cheating and baseball shawn watson is the super predator against massage therapists and fucking get away for the anyway with that. Said we took a break a little while ago. And i said a lot of things that i was trying to save it for the altro which is like holy shit lucas. This is exactly the kind of story that our show needs to be about. Not only is this story. That are about at least when every few episodes these but i also told you. I really think that you're setting a new for yourself. And from this point forward this is what people are going to expect from you. I mean i i personally. We've talked about this episode for two weeks straight. I literally had no idea that. I was going to hear what i heard. Dude it i you know so a little bit of you know little bit of my background. I think i've said it multiple times. I m i a former musician. I was in a heavy metal band. I was I've played guitar for a metal band. And i was also a singer. Fermo dan so i have experience and performance. I've experienced being in the public eye. And just one of those things that really really like is gut. Wrenching has just seeing someone that you seem like. You see a performer. You see a guy on stage. He's playing a role in your appreciate it from what it is but then you realize he's got a darker side sure and then you're like wow because because it it's hard it's hard to have a persona. I want to say that it's hard to have a like a. This is my stick. This is what i'm doing. This sound presenting myself let alone to have a double life. That's just that that is so to me. Like the fact that the guy was able ian ian watkins was able to not only be a rockstar but live a double life. I mean that's that's hard. Do you remember the episode that we did where we were talking about. Somebody who is in a position of power and we asked the question. We said do people who were like this. Seek the positions of power to have accents or do people gain these positions and then realize what accents have and what what really struck me was like like i'm a i'm a red blooded man right like i see gwen stefani and i'm like if gwen stefani called me i would be like. Hey what's up. Or lo or whatever and then i was like as you re telling the story. One of the things that came into my head was like why isn't exclusive to like hetero mills hetero females. Why can't it be something that like predators child predators like it again. The question is like do these people these positions of power in order to gain access to this base. Or do they achieve this thing and something that's been in deep down inside of them this whole time homeless and comes out and they're like wow look at all this access that i have now. I can take advantage of that i think. I don't think that somebody happens upon those desires. I think that they've always had them and they've always been looking to exploit their position. I don't know man this. This episode has me going and like so many different directions. He's are the worst ones to me. I just wrote the scripts that i'm doing about it. A guy that that kidnaps and sexually assaults and in terrorizes these women and they're literally the worst kind of stories possibly can. I don't know why. I can hear a story about somebody that kills. Like fifty guys like we just did the chessboard. Killer kills how many density have forty fifty sixty. I mean record it like sixty nine. I'm just like it's like a really messed up story. But then i hear about a guy that kidnapped like three or four women and sexually assaulted them. Or like a thomas or something like that these are these are the cases that keep me up at night. So with that said the cases that keeps me up at night or the cases that i feel like should be featured on the show. You fucking killed it. And i'm really proud of you and unfortunately you set a new bar for yourself and fortunately for the audience that means that they're gonna get to hear more shit like this coming from lucas in the future. I just tonight. Early are the nice that i feel like. I'm really fortunate to be doing the type of project. We're doing a good so anytime you hear horror show. We're doing this out of the love of the stories guys and we want you to join us and it's always been about us telling the stories we love and helping you join us with it so keep on keep on coming back with us and the second part of this story is going to be to. Yes speaking of coming back like you guys out there that you have to make sure that you tune in for the second part of this Lucas wrote this as kind of like a like. I'm going to tell you this story in order to tell you another story that's even worse and unfortunately like we're just running like way over time there. It was so detailed work. That lucas did was like so in-depth that we cannot like. There's no way that you guys are going to stick around for a two and a half hour podcasts. So we're making a decision to cut this short but just know that on the exact same day that this episode is coming out and releasing part two and you guys have to make sure that you stick during this word because there's going to be totally worth your while it's worth it and also the truth is it's really a story as much as tommy give me shit about the ovarian and saying as much as i give me shit about the awareness. Single need to hear this story. Our guys with that said we're going to go ahead and and wrap up here We love you. Lucas loves you as always protect your booty and please please please join us back for Part two is coming up on your podcast feed right after this.

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Monday, December 16, 2019 - The Christian Science Monitor Daily

The Christian Science Monitor Daily

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Monday, December 16, 2019 - The Christian Science Monitor Daily

"Welcome to the Monitor daily podcast. It's Monday December sixteenth joining us. I'm Amelia Newcomb. Kaplan there's been a lot of intergenerational sparring in the public square of late especially between millennials. Awesome boomers maybe. That's why a week in which a lot of intergenerational harmony was on display was heartening. Take Ninety three year old. Ed Higginbotham Kim. Botham of Georgia's township Pennsylvania. He teamed up with State troopers about half his age took deliver his three hundred handmade toys to children about one twentieth his age. He likes making others happy. He said in Raleigh North Carolina. Jim Ennis who were calls sparse. Childhood Christmases has similarly created wooden toys. For fifty years to hand out alongside the Salvation Army. My pay is when I see the smile on kids faces. He said at Arlington National Cemetery. The entrance was packed. Saturday with a wide array of volunteers eager to help lay two hundred fifty three thousand res. He's on veterans graves. It was really moving said one young participant and Newtown Connecticut exactly seven years years after the Sandy Hook elementary school shootings. All generations showed up as the football team took to the field. After a wrenching day of memorial services the stands were packed fans on both sides wore green to honor victims. Then Newtown won its first State Championship in twenty seven years. With the last minute touchdown and emotion surged for the coach. The parents the students everyone else who knew what it meant to have experienced that terrible full day in two thousand twelve. The whole town showed out on this special night said one player. We knew we had to bring it home for our town now to our five stories including the story of one city's bid to engage people positively ground climate-friendly behavior the story of another other cities bid to appoint a nightmare and a look at what's spurring the ire over the movie. Richard Jewel. Her first story. Sorry remember when nostalgia is not usually a feature of political campaigns which tend to look to the future but Joe Biden like president. Donald Trump tends to heart back to a better time. Typically presidential candidates offer fresh visions for the country detailing innovative Vega plans that would usher in a new modern era of peace and prosperity. But if Joe Biden the former vice president who served in the Senate for more than three three decades wins the Democratic nomination then the general election next year will feature to Septuagenarians who spend a great deal of time talking about the the past on his recent no Malarkey. Bus Tour in Iowa. Mr Biden seemed to be pitching his own version of make America great again. He spoke repeatedly heatedly about reviving the middle class and restoring America to the prosperous superpower at once was by employing nostalgia. The Biden and trump campaigns campaigns are taking a page from a strategy. That has worked. Well for say Coca Cola. Says David Pizarro a psychology professor at Cornell University because despite tons of things being way better than they've ever been most people believe the country is worse off now than in the past. The story was reported reported by story. Hinckley in Ames Iowa for the Monitor. Hong Kong's pro-democracy Z.. Camp one big in district elections. Now they have to translate big-picture dreams into day to day decisions if the protests were seminar Menara activism this presents a whole new learning curve in May Fergus. Leon will graduate with a degree in biomedical science. But by then the student leader and Pro Democracy protester will be well into his first term as a Hong Kong district councillor less than a week after defeating a Pro Beijing and comfort a bit. Mr Leon was meeting constituents and immersing himself in a new range of subjects from trash collecting public housing to parking as a politician he still has a lot to learn to compete with Pro Beijing forces that still offer services to constituents. Mr Leong is banding together with other other New District Council members to cooperate not only on traditional social services such as Planning Day tours for the elderly but uncreative improvements for the district strict included on his agenda of urban innovation modernize recycling and oppose a giant land reclamation project that would disrupt a historic harbour-front peer beyond the neighborhood. Mr Leong says he's receiving mentoring and training from established democratic parties and more experienced politicians. He also plans to actively promote the pro democracy movement that he says motivated him to run for office. I won't forget what we're fighting for. He says the story was reported by an Scott Tyson in Hong Kong for the Monitor Minneapolis Neapolis Mayor Jacob. Pray is all about sustainable solutions. That feel achievable. That's what shifts people's thinking about their choices. If we make it easier to take the bus people will he says last year. Minneapolis pledged to transition to one hundred percent renewable electricity by twenty thirty city but city administrators. Say They can't meet that goal without citizen involvement even in politically liberal cities like this one the job of reducing carbon carbon emissions hinges on more than just raising an alarm and setting ambitious goals as a practical matter. It also means enlisting the public by making the solutions feel achievable and even welcome not a burden on people's time in bank accounts the effort has implications nationwide as more than ninety. US cities have have pledged to win their electrical grids off fossil fuels in Minneapolis. City officials are hoping that city run sustainability programs can inspire residents to think differently about their own choices at home by making it a little easier to make sustainable choices resident hunter. Wilder is one of those people people. Two years ago. She chose to switch your home from gase to an air source. Heat pump with assistance from a city affiliated program somewhat has to the early adopter. She says if we can do it in Minnesota you can do it anywhere. The story was reported by Mark. Trumbull in Minneapolis for the Monitor Seeing opportunity in its problems led the city of Amsterdam to create the first nightmare position in two two thousand twelve Providence Rhode Island is considering the investment after a string of incidents around nightclubs nightlife is messy residents residents complain about noise. Workers like efficient public transit business owners face licensing hurdles wherever alcohol in crowds mixed there will be safety concerns and the struggle to balance. Everyone's needs is far from new but cities looking to solve several problems at once are dedicating resources to nighttime alone. Pittsburgh was one of the first. US cities to adopt the strategy hiring. Someone sometimes called a nightmare whose job the obvious to improve public safety economic opportunity and quality of life during the other nine to five. The city has seen notable improvements over the past past five years as a result the overarching ideas to have somebody. That has the pulse on what's happening at night says Alison Harnden Pittsburgh's nighttime economy economy manager and can either advocate for those changes or actually work on implementing them. The after hours are really something that have to be planned rather other than police for a much more successful. Social Economy says Jim Peters of the Responsible Hospitality Institute which is what a lot of people who are living in cities. Ladies want. This story was reported. By Lindsey McGinnis in Providence Rhode Island for the Monitor Hollywood often portrays women journalists unflattering ly- The harm may seem less. One characters are fictional but the film Richard Jewel implies is a real reporter slept with the source. Why does this keep happening? Hollywood's journalism genre has long equated vital profession with a so-called oldest one as far back as the nineteen twelve silent. Movie The scoop. All the way up to televisions house of cards female reporters are often depicted. As exploiting being the sexual -ality Richard Jewel a bio pic about the man wrongly accused of bombing. The nineteen ninety-six Olympics in Atlanta has resurfaced the debate eight over the practice with journalists asking for more accountability. The film infers that real life reporter. Kathy scruggs who has since died slept with an FBI agent in exchange for a scoop about the case those who know her challenge the accuracy of that accusation Warner Brothers insists it used credible source material some observers note that the public doesn't have a lot of information about what journalists do so Hollywood steps in in to fill the void often sexing up mundane work Kelly McBride Senior Vice President at the Poynter Institute a Nonprofit Journalism School in Research Search Organization wishes. Hollywood offered better role models. I grew up as a young child watching Ed Asner and Mary Tyler Moore and then Murphy Brown down in the nineteen eighties and that definitely influenced why. I wanted to be a journalist. She says we know from Broader Cultural Studies. That entertainment has the ability not to influence public opinion. This story was reported by. Stephen Humphries. For The Monitor now commentary on an up swelling for integrity and governance. From the Monitor's editorial board. The latest survey of Arab opinion. Opinion gives the lie to the impression that the Middle East will always be mired in corruption. More than half of those polled in the region say ordinary people can help stop graft often high places in recent weeks. Those personal convictions have begun to turn into public reality in Sudan on Saturday. A court court convicted of former dictator two years in detention in Algeria similar protests led to a string of court convictions for former leaders in Iraq months of protests have not only felt prime minister but also forced parliament to lift immunity for lawmakers accused of bribery or other crimes. These examples reflect a different vision of society among the region's massive youth population for now this cleaning out of corrupt leaders shows something just is afoot in the Middle East. That's a wrap for the news. You can find the full length version of these stories in today's issue or at CS monitor dot com slash daily and join us tomorrow. Britain's December twelfth vote which Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Conservative Party won decisively was a bad night for parties. As in Scotland. Who Support the three hundred twelve year old union with England Simon Montlake reports on how things look from stirling Scotland in today's Christian Science Spiritual Perspective column? One family found that even while selling loved home during the holiday season they could feel a sacred piece as they thought about the spiritual meaning of Christmas. You can find the column in today's issue or at CS MONITOR DOT com slash daily. We WanNa give quick thanks to our staff including today's audio production team Rebecca Solan and Ian Ian Block here. This podcast is produced by the Christian. Science Monitor Copyright Twenty nineteen.

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Full Episode: Sunday, February 2, 2019

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Full Episode: Sunday, February 2, 2019

"Tonight the travel ban effect America's crackdown on the KUNA virus. The new case just confirmed in the states. We'll tell you where plus the US ban on on foreigners if they recently traveled to China is now in effect. The first deadly case reported outside of China. Ruhan evacuees sprayed with disinfectant as as they step off planes in Indonesia and in China the new hospital built in a matter of days battle for Iowa the Iowa Caucus Democratic candidates make their final push in front of huge crowds the last major poll before the caucus pulled because of how it was conducted. What happened overseas the terror attack in London? A man armed with a machete. Several people wounded a police officer gunning him down in the street. What we're now learning about the suspect back home tonight? It Does Church Bus Crash about twenty five people on board including children. The bus driver killed president. Trump's slamming his impeachment hours before closing arguments begin in a Senate trial. The president tonight calling impeachment unfair to his family says research the eleven year old boy missing for almost a week. His stepmom Sane. He was last seen leaving the house. Walking to a friend's home police now asking for the public's hell seizure at the door. The armed armed robbers surprising a man returning home holding a gun to his head a family of twelve inside at the time and the new storm in the West heavy snow flash flooding homes and streets under water. The system now moving east sees this is ABC news tonight and good evening. Thanks for joining us on this Sunday. I'm Tom US. And we begin tonight with America's crackdown on the corona virus and breaking details about the ninth confirmed case in the US reported in northern California the CDC confirming the State's second case and adult woman in Santa Clara County in the US visiting family. This has health officials try to confirm a suspected case right here in New York and just a short time ago the new. US Band going into effect blocking foreign citizens from entering the country. If they've recently been to China hundreds dead more than fourteen thousand infected worldwide the first death now being reported outside right of China and this just in news tonight about another charter flight from China heading to the US ABC's Clayton lead us off tonight as a new cases confirmed in California the US is closing the door to slow the spread of novel Corona Virus as a five PM Eastern no foreign nationals non US citizens who have had contact with mainland China. In the past. Fourteen days we'll be permitted by the federal government to enter the United States and for Americans who traveled to the outbreaks epicenter. In the last two weeks they will be subject to mandatory fourteen day. Quarantine born team. Several airlines are already canceling flights in and out of China these passengers stranded in Shanghai flights. Still making it in are being diverted to seven Eban. Airports where passengers get special screening. I had a cocker renewing sick. So far five states are reporting total of nine confirmed cases. The latest in Santa Clara County California. A woman who recently visited Wuhan New York City is now investigating possible case but officials maintain. The risk is still low compared to the flu at this southern California Military Base Jarod Evans is one of one hundred ninety five Americans evacuated acuity from China today making the best of a two week. Quarantine a super bowl party will be right there. Everyone is actually pretty in their room. The playing cards just having a beautiful day now. Four other military bases are gearing up to a thousand more evacuees if the outbreak gets worse. Alright Clayton Sandell joins us now from that quarantine side in Riverside California and Clayton were just learning about a new charter flight. Getting Americans out of China. That's right I'm getting late. Word from Congressman. Scott Peters that a second evacuation flight is set to land Monday at the Marine Corps Air Station in Miramar. California bad is about eighty miles south of here and like the Americans on this base. Everyone on tomorrow's flight will also be quarantined for two weeks. Tom Cleans Clayton Sandell with the details on that new flight. Tonight Clayton thank you and tonight fears over the corona virus raising tensions in Hong Kong hospital. Workers they're threatening to go on strike unless the border with China is closed and these images coming in as countries taking extreme measures to keep the virus from spreading. ABC Senior foreign correspondent. Ian Panel is in Hong Kong tonight extraordinary steps to stop the spread of the corona virus as the death toll rises lines dazzling planes with disinfectant. Grow vire Oh then sprang passengers as they get off in Indonesia this is the first death is reported outside China a forty four year old Chinese man dying coming in the Philippines the overall death toll now rising above three hundred more than fourteen thousand people infected in Wuhan China the epicenter at the outbreak. A one thousand bed emergency hospital set to open its doors. Monday built in just ten days. Some fourteen hundred military medics with the Chinese army brought in to relieve the stress on hospitals and doctors many of the sick now having to wait hours to see a doctor a second emergency hospital people also set to be complete this week but Chinese officials also sang. Many patients have recovered and being sent home. But tonight Chinese officials banning funeral funeral gatherings and ordering the cremation of the dead to prevent the spread of the virus thousands of doctors and nurses set to walk off the job Monday here. In Hong Kong long demanding the government seal the border with mainland China. Some hospitals. Now running out of supplies. We don't have enough surgical masks the hospital cat in the hospital. An alarming development there Ian Ian joins us now from Hong Kong and Ian Tonight President trump saying he's offered China help but they have yet to accept. Accept the offer. Yeah that's right and national security adviser speaking about this. Brian saying China has been more open than in a previous crises more transparent but it hasn't so far accepted these office of American assistance. Meanwhile medics here at home about to go on strike for two reasons one because they want the borders closed but primarily because getting enough protective equipment for themselves or for patients. Tom Strike as the outbreak is growing. All right thanks so much for for that and back here at home. On the eve of the Iowa Caucus Democratic candidates making a full court press in their final hours of campaigning greeted by overflow crowds. The first voting in twenty twenty race expected to be a four way battle between Joe Biden Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren and people to judge and now a heated battle suddenly erupting between president trump in a candidate who's done even their ABC's Rachel Scott is in Des Moines tonight. In I would tonight the phrasing of the final hour onto the nail biting close racist fueling a fight for a strong finish we are going to beat Donald Trump today thousands packing into events across the state overflow overflow crowds cramming to get a last Pete Report Senator Elizabeth Warren Making her last pitch. So I'm still not sold. I just think that we need to be a little bit. More towards the center to defeat trump warns progressive rival Senator Bernie Sanders is on the the rise in the polls fans hoping for a victory in the state he lost or years ago. We win here. We have a path toward victory and together we. We will defeat the most dangerous president in modern American history. Mayor Buddha judge branding himself as the fresh face. The Party needs every single time that my party pretty has won the White House. It's been with candidate who was new to national politics. Opening the door to a new generation focused on the future Vice President Joe Biden taking aim at President trump through unity over division read over but but the president directing his attacks at billionaire mayor Michael Bloomberg who has spent more than three hundred million dollars on ads and now may qualify for the Nevada debate. The president mocking talking Bloomberg's height. Now he wants a box for the debates to stand on. Okay it's okay. There's nothing wrong you can be. Sure why should he get a bucks to stand on okay. The Bloomberg campaign firing back calling the president a quote pathological liar. Who lies about everything is fake hair his obesity and his spray on Tan? My stand twice as tall as he does on the stage on the stage that matters all right. Rachel joins us now live from Iowa and Rachel a poll by the Des Moines Register was supposed to come come out last night. It's the last poll before the vote. It's not always right but a lot of people wanNA know where the candidates stand. It was pulled at the last minute just before being released. That's right on the Des Moines Register learned of a complaint from Buddha jet supporter. WHO said the candidates name was not listed? This was supposed to be the last state. Poll head of the. I will caucuses and the decision to pull. It is making this race that much harder to read tonight. Tom a very close race so far. Rachel thank you for that and we will have live coverage of the results of the Iowa caucuses right here on. ABC and all night coverage on ABC News live album demoing with our team there and a reminder ABC News live launches tomorrow night streaming everywhere everywhere with breaking news context and analysis and news tonight about a terrorist attack in London new images coming in at least three people wounded the suspect arm armed with a machete stabbing victims inside of a store and on the street police officers chasing after him opening fire authorities revealing the suspect had been under surveillance. ABC's Maggie Rulli is in London terror in broad daylight armed officers shooting and killing this suspect on a London street. A fake suicide vest could be seen strapped to his body. The man was under police surveillance. The suspect had been recently released from prison where he had been serving being a sentence for Islamist related terrorism offenses authorities able to quickly take him down putting an end to his violent stabbing spree in the middle of the afternoon. Just a few hours ago. Police came rushing to this downtown area. This is where those multiple stabbings occurred. It is a busy area filled with shops at restaurants. Now it it has been completely shut down to people stabbed another injured in the crossfire by shattered glass. Authorities quickly calling it. A terrorist attack attack believed to be tied to Islamic extremism. I mean you can kind of this self when it's further from home when he's actually own a strictly you will down every single guy AAC frightening. This is the fourth terrorist attack in London since two thousand seventeen involving stabbing the others all at conic tourist destinations institutions and Tom. This is not the first time here in London that someone who was recently released from prison committed a terrorist attack today. The prime minister said they've have already taken steps to increase prison. Time related to terrorism and tomorrow is going announced. Plans to further toughened up the system. Tom Maggie Rulli from London tonight. Maggie thank Hugh and here in the. US The church tragedy in Ohio the bus colliding with an SUV careening off the road and into a poll. About Twenty five people were on board including children. The driver killed here's ABC's Mona Kosar. Abby tonight a terrifying scene outside of Dayton Ohio but accident with injuries envious over versus a car a Church Bus with approximately twenty five people on board some as young as two months old slamming into a power pole after colliding with with another car in a deadly crash according to police. The driver of the bus owned by the Franklin First Church of God was traveling north on a two lane highway around nine thirty Sunday morning as the bus went through an intersection in Middletown it hit this Brown. SUV also going through the crossroad. That crash sending the bus off the road killing killing the driver fifty nine year old archie. Cheesman this all taking place at a well known busy intersection. We have handled on several crashes in this area anytime time. You have a busy intersection you are going to see more traffic. Crashes Occur while crews work to clear the scene. Some on the bus were taken to the hospital. We've learned none of the the other injuries were serious and tonight Ohio State police are still working on determining which vehicle ran the light. Tom Terrible accident right. Mona thank you next president. Trump's rob slamming his impeachment trial hours before closing arguments beginning the Senate here's ABC's David Wright tonight. Unrepentant president trump sat down with Fox Fox News ahead of the Super Bowl as the word witch hunt as the word hoax. I see the hatred. I see the dilemma. They don't care about fairness they don't care about lying he he let loose on his rivals and critics what they've done is they've really all the all the media. I call it the fake news and it is fake news so much of it and a lot take this is they. Don't want to report the good stuff. They don't want to report that. The economy is good one of the two Republican senators who rescued trump from an extended senate trial by voting against witnesses. Mr Alexander said today. He doesn't approve of the president's behavior. I think he shouldn't have done it. I think it was wrong. inappropriate was the way I'd say improper crossing the line. But Lamar Alexander doesn't think the president's conduct was impeachable both alie he'll look at this and say okay. That was a mistake. I shouldn't have done that. Judging from the Fox News interview trump is not quite ready to bury the hatchet Pelosi breath. I think she's a very confused. Very nervous woman. I don't think she wanted to do this. I think she really knew what was going to happen. That's her worst. Nightmares happened one of the president's closest allies in the Senate signalled he's ready for payback with hearings investigating Joe Biden. You should expect us to do this if we don't don't do it. We're letting you down and I guarantee Damn T- you if it were Democrat. If if the shoe on the other foot Democrats would be eating us. Alive the Republicans had done any of these things one day after the president's speech the Senate is expected to take its final vote on impeachment. Not much mystery about the outcome. Although the vote expected to clear him mostly along party lines. Tom Are David. Thank you now to the new storm hitting the west at this hour flooding heavy snow dangerous winds. It's raging waters. Take a look at this leash near homes in granite falls Washington the storm moving across the country all the way east. Let's get right to senior meteorologist Rob Marciano. It's on the West Coast dorm that it's going to coast to coast with some rough weather in store for California today. High Wind warnings posted for parts of San Francisco unless Southern California into into Las Vegas could see gusts to seventy eighty miles per hour. And then the snow's getting into Utah and Denver. Colorado could see significant snowfall for Monday morning commute and has preceded the planes in the southeast Tuesday Wednesday. Thursday we've got a three day severe weather threat that could very well include tornadoes looking toward the clock caucus tomorrow not a major the storm but not the best weather a mix of rain and snow showers could see some icy spots as you head towards the evening. Tom Rob Marciano with political forecast tonight. All right rob thank you with the desperate `esprit search underway for a missing child in Colorado. Here's ABC's Kaley heart tongue. I'm begging bring my baby home tonight. A Colorado family in anguish. It's been six days since eleven year. Old Gannon stout disappeared so hard to speak. Was this happening to him. Officials say they're taking extraordinary steps in the desperate experts searched for the boy gain requires special medication. So concerned for his health quickly heightened me to find him. The case was upgraded from a runway way to an endangered missing trial based upon the information gleaned from the investigation so far but authorities are working with few clues his stepmother telling K- K TV. She was the last person who saw Gannon as he left home Monday afternoon. To go played a friend's house nearby I would never never ever heard this child and another some questions out there about okay. Okay so tell me what happens. That's up to the investigations. But I've cooperated with them the FBI. Now aiding the investigation while volunteers assist in the search. It came out my front door Tuesday. Three hundred people out there to my neighborhood. bloop Tom Gannon's mother calls her son her hero hero. 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The Story of the Welsh Health Hack

Healthy Thinking

23:24 min | 2 years ago

The Story of the Welsh Health Hack

"<music> coming up on healthy thinking what can innovation due to help change the face of health and cake wins. This is a fabulous opportunity for us to bring together clinical experts industry leads technology specialists specialists and to really understand some of the challenges that exist within the Health Service here in Wales in this podcast with going behind the scenes of the wealth a two day invention Marathan helping to create digital solutions to common woman problems. It was really refreshing to work with people who had such as candy achieved. It's different to anything new within healthcare sector so is the future of health camping dreamt up here where we can come together industry <hes> big the small business on the system to really collaborate with our patient at the center of I think that's where the benefits reducing this is healthy thinking from life sciences have Wales a podcast series bringing new perspectives from leading thinkers in health and K innovation. It's presented by Chris Martin. It's early morning at the life. Scientists have Wales in Cardiff more than one hundred people health practitioners industry and technology experts from all over the country checking in what did I can request hi. I'm carrying Quinn and I'm a chief executive of the life sciences his HAP and today we're hosting the Welsh health hack for the uninitiated a hack or a hacker thon can best be described as an invention marathon where people bring problems for others to solve this is a fabulous opportunity mitty for us to bring together clinical experts industry leads technology specialists and to really understand some of the challenges that exist within the Health Service here in Wales and work together collaboratively over the course of the next two days and to develop and drive solutions to these challenges. The first part of the day is all about seen setting and getting to know each other a safe networking environment with clinicians is find partners to work with to come up with practical solutions to their problems tomorrow. The event will come culminate with dragons. Dan Session and I'm delighted to be one of those dragons not sure if the if if the title will be considered APP for the judges but we'll have the opportunity to hear all of the solutions and the successful pitches and will receive support to develop their products further by wash government both carry-on and me were dragons. You'll meet some of the others little late. I just went to the virtual medical conference in L._A.. Five hundred hundred people which was incredible to seize the participants -ticipant take their seats to hear the opening speeches the minister for Health and social services phone get in arrives. He's been a big supporter of the hack concept. It's a really positive way to try to gather people together to bounce ideas off each other an ultra take time this is what do we think could really make the biggest difference within for Health and social here in Wales and this is my third Welsh health hack and I'm looking forward to seeing what I hope they're growing band of <hes> p people across industry and technology where interest I in other ideas were engaged with our the new ideas were not engage with we want to hear about because partly about running a business and having success in the future but it's also that how can we make a difference. Our business could be part of doing that but ultimately people l._l._c. benefits what we really able to create this time is an open dialogue of innovation <hes> we we creating a safe space for health colleagues to actually share their concerns and their challenges to come up with ideas for for doing things differently and I think really the difference for this year is that this just more engagement is more opportunity and we really failed that that we'll have more solutions that can make a difference to our health service here good morning everybody welcome to our third house hacker. The life sciences have my name is Sean Child. The hack kicks off with the health practitioners pitching their challenges to the audience on a medical much violence to introduce you to the lucky projects we really passionate about half a mile being lick force and I'm enthusiastic to address this national problem. I want to work with you. Come recreate technological solution which frees up serapis time. It's about to spend time with patient. We need helpful mix. We have connections with key to embrace digital strategy so please come in with us as you can see we are uncreative will insulin and the best of the bench after the pitches a number of technology experts and innovation companies highlight their areas of expertise an offer ideas about what the latest technologies can do for the healthcare. So what are we ultimately looking for from the winning ideas we asked the chief dragon who happens to be me for a sits really important that we engage effectively with the new world whatever digital will be and so getting them and their expertise petit's to help solve some of the problems with any jus- is essential and the three criteria really that we're looking for that fit <hes> so how well does this Lucien meet the operational clinical need the impact in value which is really important no point in doing if. You don't actually have any impact <hes> and how the improves patient care patient outcomes and the patient experience so those things are really really important and we need to be able to measure effectively and finally I guess deliverability so how easily quickly Gli realistically can the solution be delivered because what we want to see a quick wins. Another one of our team of dragons is Dr Ian Collins Ohio. I'm interim deputy postgraduate Dean in Health Education Improvement Wales and this is Welsh hack number three for Ian Ian. I mean it's one of the release of educational highlights of the summer for me bringing together sort of enthusiastic passionate healthcare professionals who can see a need in the setting with the the know-how from industry from technology from I._T.. And having that kind of perfect fusion of of those groups to provide solutions for real health that will give real healthcare benefits so it's it's great it's event fantastic event here some of the rules of the day with the two days a compared and facilitated by deputy director of the Bevan Commission Sean Charles or as many people in the room no the man in the pink cowboy hat so from this point onwards ladies and gentlemen we move in something a little bit last former and in some vain attempt to denote that I put my hat the pink hacked serves a couple of purposes <hes> I wear it so that people can can find me and this and that I'm easily spot within if they have any questions if they have any help but the main reason I started wearing it was that ah people when they take part in sessions like this find the they are a little bit shy or they're not willing to take part because they worried but looking silly so if there's all win somebody in the room looks a lot sillier than they do it create space for people to be able to take part and and enjoy themselves a bit more right presentations over coffee time is just like a speed dating session techies and health professionals sussing each other out over the hot Bruni innovation the people visible most and then you for processing place and you can harness dot leaking potential to move forward undone like I'm a consultant uncle plastic surgeon and I work at Cardiff Unveil University Health Board. I'm here today to tell people how to be successful at the Welsh health hack at last year's Hack Donna produce the winning idea a new up which helps women and men through vital physiotherapy exercises after breast surgery three hours quite nervous. I think we didn't really know what to expect but we pitched our idea and then you preached by various firms and people who think they can help and it was very clear that actually what we hoped would be able to be done was definitely as far as they were concerned quite easy <hes> and it was really refreshing to work with people who had such as candy at achieved I am and it's different t anything you do within the healthcare sector without the required sex ability patients are unable to get their arms in the position required for radiotherapy resulting in a delay in their treatment. Now the baps opposite called it is making huge difference to the recovery and saving money for the riches it had good feedback from patients but we've had really good feedback from the radio GOPHERS Volinja about people getting into position but also E._M._c. the deep inspirational breath hold which was an addition to what we ever had originally pitched and say the extra money from the Bevan Commission made possible really. We've got medical student looking at whether it's how to impact on patients and it's always difficult to assess the impact but hatefully we we live <hes> improve patient experience but ultimately save some money. I'm Kate Baker. Deputy head of therapies APFEL in Japan Center was he with Donna last year <hes> great experience very energize day which resulted in a fantastic outcome for us with the Bob Sapp and actually that has allowed me to come back this year to pitch another idea in another challenge that we have okay. Let's hear it my pitch. This year is looking at outcome measures for patients so we know how vital outcome measures are currently we are not collecting them electronically and the not how essentially so analyzing it measures to show that you'll making a difference to patients is very very difficult so my pitch this year is going to be looking at the patient hey sean port outcome measures and patient experienced measures to try and look at an electronic APP device to help us collegiate these with patience to enable the experience of patients <hes> Spe- better and to allow us to demonstrate the worth of what we're doing at therapists on a day-to-day basis. We'll find out if kate is one of the final four chosen for funding later on helping Keeton Donna to success last year was Glenn Hapgood head of the missive tech at Orchard Media and co-founder of escape innovation for us. It was actually just making sure that the there's a user centric thinking behind it understanding the demographic of the patients that are going to using it. They may not be used too complicated it up so technology so the user experience the design was very much around usability reward and making sure people want to pick up the APP and US again and again delighted with the success of the APP Glenn's back here this year to lend a helping hand the frontline. In healthcare staff Houdini we patients every day they can see where to make it better and deal to have something like the hack where they can come present their ideas and meets companies like orchard companies like escape. <hes> can really help the move forward and bring those projects to life mm-hmm. If you had an ability to things like Java script can add stuff for code if you could get something that could reinforce results. Put on your list take away. The talking didn't stop at lunch. It was a buzz about place over salad. Maybe something slightly less healthy industry and healthcare discussed how innovation could have these systems. They're linking together. You leads it'd be continues. If doctors you guys is actually fruit. McCann is from Medical Company Roche Diagnostics. It's fantastic these kind of events because <hes> you get different is on different problems gray interactions people that are really driven to make a the difference in patient's lives. I think there's been a significant shift in the way that industry and the chess or working together and I've noticed coming over the past ten at five years and it's really important to think uh-huh partnership because partnerships going to be the difference for the patient and it's been really great understand the the white or stakeholders are involved in decision making across Wales and to be able to go back to the company and see rookie okay. We need to think big here and we need to work with the right people in the afternoon. Everyone went off in their separate teams to brainstorm and plan for their presentations and final pitches to the dragons the following day so yes we are often health. We can improve yes. Other variables are of patients. Don't have Charles Ball so those faded Fadia to to stick to medications dated stick to Die Glenn. Did you all have credit yeah by the evening. Some were still hearted. Others took the opportunity to reflect on the day and gather some thoughts over a few drinks all within his focused on tomorrow. Come on what the hack if if you like breakfast place to the lecture and you'll have breakfast asset up that it's day two of the Welsh health hack and after the obligatory welcome breakfast rolls it was time to mull over the lessons learnt so so far Alex Smith from Cardiff University wants a technological solution to his problem. He wants to reduce the time therapists spend on Admin an increase the time spent with stroke patients after good night's sleep. Surely He must have come up with awesome inspiration. There wasn't really much thought so been kind of kind of got lost in the whole process and then I bumped into William this morning William wasn't here yesterday and we've kind of just hit it off this morning and this is just completely new. We've developed idea this morning and that's what we're going to pitch so I'm William from Website Express what software development agency based in Cardiff so the solution having spoken <hes> sorry with Alex this warning is that he needs a platform that he can get to market very quickly now using droop or we can provide ah what's called the progressive web APP which is a solution that looks and acts like an app very simple very cheap. It's pretty frugal. Izing sounds really good. Actually very exciting. What will do is free therapists time to suspend that patients rather than working on Admin related tasks asks the recommendations are coming from researchers that we need to look at work flows spend less time doing admin and more time with our patients and this is a solution that could potentially meet that he's social impact from us? Well shows next level at the moment. Everybody's starting to work on their presentations. The Mon- With Pink Hat facilitate does Shawn Charles too. I think they'll spend time refining then ideas and creating their presentations. Does this morning grabby for the one o'clock kickoff average cost the pressure was mounting on the teams to get their pitches right and secure the seven and a half thousand pounds on offered to get their ideas off the ground as a panel of judges judging their pitches. We wanted to make sure people present it solutions to the problems that were brought to the table twenty four hours before solutions to some of the difficulties they're facing in the day-to-day a clinical world. We were really keen to see how working together could implement change within their day to day work. It's time for the pitches my fellow dragons Carryanne Quinn and in Collins Collins who you've already met even Evans Director of Technology digital transformation that there was government and Nick Chaim Strategic Accounts Manager for Pfizer U._K.. So got muscle wastage any sympathy. It'll aw huge thank you the width right okay. I'm the Simon cowl of this operation ensuring that with firm but also ensuring the processes by learning yes okay and she left at my job so she's already ready ahead of the part here really right go if you go out to the seventeen ideas put forward only four projects were received funding and support there will be due diligence around some of the detail which would be undertaken by the Bevan Commission and life sciences. Wales once that's done the receive help support and the finance to deliver on their projects in predicts. Our team popped up. My name is army consulting physiotherapist. Some groups groups had thought up a name for their project. There was project Cheetah the doctors pathway and pop to hop. Hey so Achilles tendon rupture common injuries they affect ten thousand people teenage kidney dialysis assist patients in cold buds Jujitsu to all thoughts which was conceived by bed. I am a patient I can. You Trust Fund eight years ago. My mother was a doughnut at age thirteen. I was I transplant bondage of his fourteen to sixteen. I was put on transit show. Process four-month was three minutes to pitch and then Australians are let loose to quit the team. They were kind of writer always do the exercise I guess if they are going through a way to understand the lack progression down to patients not being able to follow all perhaps do the size and we'll be so you can see the do that during the exercise what can be okay guys well after all the pictures were done. It's off to confer a darkened room. It's a really difficult choice. Some of the pitches looked at solutions for specific areas but in an ideal world we want solutions that could be rolled out throughout Wales great ideas judges that can be tested within one health board and then duplicated across the country and beyond okay right colleagues. Do you WanNa come and join us then you have the the results are in just a few comments then on what we've just heard it and the today's I'll hundred Yvonne and then I have the pleasure of telling you who's what it is difficult decision. I know we're going to say that it's my job say it was difficult decision but genuinely was a difficult decision across the all the pictures that we had is hard to them down to four so hard in fact that we have to fight because it was a difficult decision and the first of all winners is project cheater. The Cheetah is interactive patient management APP to track patients through hospital pathways for the University Hospital of Wales. We're fairly finished yeah. Just shows how quickly you can put together with so for these guys have been amazing absolutely incredible. They're so unbelievably talented to see what they've done. Less than twenty four is is amazing. I think we want to impossible without the clinical team in their inputs. <hes> that was what was really good fit that we had the technology but we had that clinical input to say this is how the pathway should work. This should be like from clinicians perspective on the patient so it works really well. Those are good team. Working good collaboration co-production so number two is pop to hope is a physiotherapy Achilles. Tendon patients on the Hutchinson was part of the winning Pitch Jeff to redeploy desperate to get ready leave for this for ages. So it was fantastic experience I would advocate it saying to my colleagues to come and to try this gentleman also winner was John John from how the health board who designed a Welsh language pain management and then sure and ben the goods up a novel idea to help young renal patients as they transitioned from pediatric departments to adult healthcare really surprised actually yeah we <hes> yesterday we wouldn't necessarily GonNa put it for it and we we hit a little chat to me too good to pasta passionate about the idea and so yeah 'cause Donnie okay then finally the lost group who wasn't this fantastic day on the event is the man with the dodgy trousers seven the Mike Simmons who despite his beautiful polokwane colored trousers came up with an innovative new method of capturing moon images the better recording and pricing we went planning to award winners but the standard we saw was exceptionally exceptionally high. Here's fellow Dragon Ian Collins. We did have to settle on five because it came down to the crunch. We couldn't really differentiate between two project so fortunate the resources there and we were able to get five awards instead of four which is fantastic. We were looking at that broad portfolio things that had a real mix and some really good ideas but ideas that I think across all of the finalists could be taken forward and have that real benefit as well also really where things could be scale as well so is this something that's problem across systems and can be scaled so that we can take advantage of its across the whole of Wales keep enthusiasm to make a difference to patient so the third Welsh health hack has produced five exciting projects projects. This is what innovation looks like at ground level a successful today's for everyone involved and what excites me is to think about the potential impact for the real winners in all of this the patients doc you can get more information on everything discussed in this episode by going to the show notes which will find a l._S. of Wales Dot com slash podcast and to.

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1112: Unplugged Performance Reveals 'Pikes Plaid' | 13 June 2021

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1112: Unplugged Performance Reveals 'Pikes Plaid' | 13 June 2021

"Coming up on show triple one two unplugged performance unveil that pike's plaid name very rapids model less racist around the goal. The dates aisles. Also today. we're talking not one but two stories on electric buses uk. He's building gigafactory. The russian ev industry radhi gets mentioned. But we'll have a look at. I look good morning off all good evening. Wherever you're listening in the world welcomes sweetie news daily for sunday. Thirteen th of june. My name is melissa lee. I'll go through every story so you don't have to this. Podcast being recorded a little bit late because well it didn't have a voice frankly and so i couldn't recall it and it's just coming back now. Nothing's awari about just a head cold but my goodness it's Wipe me out for about a week. Actually okay. let's kick off with news of unplugged performance the unofficial performance arm of tesla and mercedes. Amg so tesla don't own them but they are in the building next door to them and have a very long standing relationship so close in fact that of the twenty five model s platt versions that were handed over some to staff some to customers and one to unplugged performance. he promptly. Well i would love a nema less plaid. Frankly it's one hundred thirty thousand pounds worth of i'm sure you would as well But unplugged performance of got no issues with stripping the thing out and making it go faster site off to reload. Musk did the delivery. Event the one thousand and twenty horsepower model less plaid was promptly shipped to unplugged performance. Who will be taking it to pikes. Peak international hill climb and the resident racing driver. Randy pug st- says motor trend. The interior is stripped out abides center. Console door panels. All gone unplugged. Performance took the try. Motta tesla added a roll cage a racing seat six points racing belts and after three laps of trying it with the silly yoke steering wheel. Sorry it's not even a wheel as a took out the yoke because it doesn't work when you're trying to drive on a circuit. But i gave it three laps before taking the thing out and putting a racing wheel in the body is stock. Added a front splitter and a big adjustable rear wing vo and the the plot version of the car which they calling. Pike's plaid nice. Name has all the factory s springs custom dampers three way and adjustable robot car riding on slick tyres and forced on a minium wheels and some more mods as well. So we're looking forward to seeing randy post Doing that a hill-climb at pikes peak with a car is insanely suspect in terms of performance. And not just the north of sixty dash but how how well that car is said to perform at continued high performance. Run something in. The tesla have worked really hard on to ensure that maybe doing tracked days or whatever it accounts for zero point zero zero zero percent of whatever people who have a buy this car the people who buy a tesla and take it to attract day. They get it gets attention because they tend to be people who also made youtube videos or vocal or wanna tell people about it which is cool. But no one's taking on a track really. Are they doing your grocery runs and taking the kids to school in most cars. But i can't wait to see what they do with this however it's a bit like crash testing cars you've got to do it. But still twenty five cars made handed over and one of them gets entirely ripped apart to make it go quicker but there we go. Let's talk about his ad. L. alexander dennis limited legendary name in buses for those that are interested in making any bus for the us. A double decker will call it. This is the word double decker translate around the world. I hope so unveiled their first off trick. Three axle twin deck bus for north america. They've been doing some trials and now he's launching for the. Us markets is electric thought. Comex forty five foot is the enviro five hundred eighty eight. It will fit. Eighty two passengers fifty three upstairs and an electric portal axle with hub motors. That two hundred and twenty five kilowatt motors own this. How big is the energy. Well the battery is quite sizable. Six hundred and forty eight kilowatt hours of battery. That he's a lot of cells needed it sits Low for better stability charging is done via standard. Ccs salk sec's one. I suppose it say. Us also Fantastic news there in a second story about buses as well the chinese evening make. Byu introducing the new electric type d school bus for the us in three different lengths. Ten point six eleven point six twelve inches long eighty four passengers on board this as well most notably as well. The school bus is already equipped with bidirectional charging. Byu signing the bus can be charged overnight when demand and prices are low and the greatest green and then during the day wants. The school run is done in the morning. According to the website the next web it will feed energy back into the grid when it's needed the bus features. Lithium iron phosphate battery has two hundred and fifty kilometers of range. That is my fifty seven. More than the ev school buses from their competitor. Blue bird famous name in school buses in the us although it's on clay when way byod's new school buses will debut the announcement comes in sync though with biden's evian's for structure scheme here in the uk. We're talking about gig. Factories britain is in talks with six companies to build. Gigafactory is to make eve batteries the financial times reporting earlier this week. Citing people on the discussions says roy ford's nissan-samsung british foale in or also into the british government and local authorities about locations and potential factories and potential financial support hairs government. Money flying around. I'm sure lots of people will be open to talking. According to the local authorities are looking at locations for potential factories and financial support. The british government's plan to prohibit the sale of new pure combustion cows from the end of the decade twenty thirty and plug in hybrids and thirty five does mean the vehicle plants will need to be built whether we have them done in the uk. Of course we're not part of the eu anymore that does put some restrictions on trade. But we'll wait and say we haven't got a massive car market is right hand drive of course but we do sell enough cows here. I guess companies to want to make cells here and they signed already Have a single implants one of the three places. The leaf is made and so understandable. There's going to be investment in the uk with gigafactory. Do the cells needs to be made this island. Well not necessarily but it would certainly be good to have a battery industry. When you think about the future of not just as but energy storage as well really really looking forward to hearing more about that as forty to fifty gigafactory bill at the moment in the eu or in piloting catching up to china far behind china which is still the gigafactory at capital of the world but Europe suddenly making some big big investments. I mean everybody has to because if you want any say in the game in the future you need to have a cell supply. Let's talk about the russians next. We haven't probably done up a story on the russian media industry in the last twelve months. And i'm not sure there'll be too many more in the next twelve months but the russian government says they will invest seven hundred. Seventy seven billion rubles. What's that he you understand at ten point five billion. Us dollars in electric and hydrogen vehicle development by twenty thirty according to documents obtained by the vedomosti news and reported by the moscow times in the next nine years. Russia's ev share of the market will hopefully grow they say from zero point zero five to fifteen percent but it just goes to highlight how. There's no easy market in russia right now. Zero point zero. Five percent of new cars sold officials at the ministry of economic development. Saying by twenty thirty that could be one point five million ebays on russia's roads with twenty thousand new charging stations according to plan a country that is certainly not yet on the bandwagon. Let's talk about tesla and this article from cnn. Business is kind of sums up something that i felt a little while about tesla and alone. A tesla owner just a huge fan of the company and get equal complaints and comments on my videos and podcasts of you. Talk about tesla too much. And you don't talk about tesla enough. And you hate tesla. And you love tesla. So you can do it when you talk about this subject. There's no winners. By the way. I now i'm probably upsetting somebody. But the cnn article says that elon. Musk desperately needs a number two. And now i would agree with. He's not likely to be stepping aside anytime soon. But is evident. He has many interests in some cite distractions particularly crypto currency in doj coin and bitcoin says cnn business makes no sense for tesla to be essentially a one man show. You know if you apply the hit by a bus test and of course we wish nobody any harm but you know the world is unpredictable and the west can happen at times and a tesla without alien nights is kind of interesting to think about and spacex would be more than fine. They have a very established. C o chief operating officer gwynne shot well. One of the company's first highs incredibly capable and could step in and does run spacex. When does the talking about the company but why not have someone like that. A tesla. they've been suffering brain drain recently. Leasing people like j. b. struggle and that previous head of automotive jerome given the tesla veteran has been recently running that trucking division but since march and then i left the company mysteriously last week with low announcement of handover including a very quick sale of his stock in the company. Now that's not good if you are confident about where tesla is going and you go inside knowledge and you leave the company maybe to spend more time with friends and family. That's understandable but overnight. You don't sell your stock and he hasn't all of it but selling large chunks of hundreds of millions of dollars. He'll be fine. Don't get me wrong. I'm not worried about him. I'm just saying something isn't right in that situation. If you think that they going places then cashing your chips. So i am a little worried about That side of it. I think the products. They're making a still exceptional still the best batteries out there. Still the best software still the best charging network hands down and do the best experience of driving ebay. David whitson wisden. Sorry is an auto analyst at morningstar said in an to. Cnn business the only executive left you might make sense to be a successor would be drew glean senior vp powertrain and energy been with the company since two thousand six but on stage or the recently and as a rising star in the company. But yeah. I completely agree. I just like somebody. They're a nuts and bolts guy or girl. I see someone who can take on those kind of tasks of just getting on running the company. Langey along tweets about crypto. Okay let's talk about question of the week was saying recently that i really hate the noise. The renter zoe makes. I'm pleased that you can turn it off with a little switch on the dash though is next to the open charge port button so often going to turn it off and opened up. The charge bought completely user error and the new code. The i'm driving at the moment is fine but it beeps in reverse which is weird. I know i'm reversing. I selected reverse. You haven't got to beat like a truck to tell me your reversing so the opportunity on question of the week the community the best of podcast really is what noise should. Evt's make room says my volt makes ethereal moaning at low sound. I'm no fan of massage. The best way to describe any. Ev and theory moaning the being on the set. I understand that being said regulations. Mandating low-speed sounds are increasing. Be interesting if these could be changed downloaded homemade like ringtones. Perhaps she could even decide which one gets played based on your gps location. Liam from ohio. Who says i'm not navy but by think carmaker should put a microphone under the hood of their ev. So that you can hear. The motor sounds inside the car of course with an adjustable volume. I love the sound of the motor wine. And how cool the old. Gm ev one used to sound as fake motor sales porsche. Audi jaguar of nailed it in liam's opinion they don't really care for the fake sounds of the eagle from the mac e. When coyle says. I have to agree the zoe pedestrian noise annoying bus. It comes in useful when driving and busy town areas with lots of people. Walking around the buttons turn on and off is an awkward place if awesome buttons turn on the steering wheel would be good place you can turn on will end supermarket cowpox. Yeah that's the only place. James i tend to have people walk out in front of me. I don't have on streets. Really people look cars in supermarket. Carparks people tend to just walk and use their is On walk in front of me. Next let's talk about Ian ian harrison from hull. I'm a blind enthusiast of electric vehicles. Sp- do worry about not being able to use yet another. My sense is while out and about so. Few drivers failed to recognize the significance of a white cane or guide dog compared to with years ago the crossing uncontrolled. Roads is a gamble. Perhaps 'cause could be taught to notice the cane or the profile of guide dog and its owner and perform a beep whether or not your system is switched on silent cars when combined with this fat for shared spaces is a double whammy for both the blind and even parents with small children. Can i give a shoutout to mobility mobility uk. They provide leased vehicles to the disabled the slowly increasing their range of eve as three. I can't wait to get my wife an electric vehicle next time around. Am thank you so much for taking the time to email me. You'll thoughts from a very different perspective. To why would have stephen harris says so far. Sounds a concerned. They should be silence as stephen. However having the option to change the sound of the whole have two different buttons. The drive can give a warning in the right circumstances. The usual horn can scare the living daylights out of unsuspecting. People agree whereas he's a bike. Bell is university recognized as a warning that you should be aware of. What's around you. I know what you mean to home buttons one for the and then one just turning on says off pedestrian noise mark orico says no official noises please inside or out. There are some nearly silent. Piston cars out there. It's the driver and it's on. The pedestrian to avoid being renova is his opinion. When i got my eniro in february. I had it two days with the reverse beeping and pull the bumper off the disconnect. The speaker my first new car. Ever and day-to i'm pulling it apart. I got an e v partly for quieter vehicles not to wake my neighbors up out of the garage. Yeah it's interesting. You say that knock. Actually it's Something with the cone of the is mentioned a couple of times I don't appreciate the reverse beeping. Like i don't need to think i'm driving. Hdtv i can see all around me. It's got cameras. it doesn't need to beep. alan says to me. It's very clear that should be no rules. About ev noise. A regulations should be technology. Agnostic minimum external noise limits should exist for all vehicles at low speed. I think the current av s regulations allow for a lot of freedom on the engine like actually maximum. External noise should be regulated their standards for drive by noise but regulations on maximum noise at low speeds are a good idea. Now that a lot of ca- simply have a speaker and could easily be abused as for internal noise. I don't care if you want your e v twelve go for broke. He says hey. Thank you to everyone who contributed to question of the week this week. I'm less than a brand new question for next some night. What's the best way that you like to navigate. An ev journey and charge on the way. And if you're not only yet. How would you like to be doing it if you a future. Ev buyer dear. Use your smartphone in advance. Do you use the calls internal system. Let me know what's the best way to navigate an ev journey to charge on the way. Let's talk navigation on question of the week. Email me of a reader on someday. It's a low evening state dot com. We just about got that to the end. We my voice hanging premium phil robertson electric future bride crosby porsche of the village in cincinnati audi of cincinnati aced volvo cars of cincinnati least national charging com and aloha charge dot com. Derek riley on the either of you on youtube channel. Richard alreasy vida cut it. Uk by selling veasley. You might not knowing partners. David and lisa allen bob boothby the bulb and the family or at mill erc cottages. You wanna get way in the uk post covid. Treat yourself to an amazing break lady. 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Full Episode: Thursday, January 31, 2019

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Full Episode: Thursday, January 31, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com slash podcast. Like several developing stories as we come on the air more than a dozen people dead tonight in this brutal cold cars exploding into flames at Newark airport at this massive blaze that ten alarm fire wind chills well below zero a college student found outside frozen on campus. Also tonight, the police officer in court facing a manslaughter charge after shooting a fellow officer in the chest. She did not survive police that it was a game of Russian roulette the other officers family. They want answers. There is breaking news at this hour in the case of the fourteen year old who vanished from her bedroom in the middle of the night. He urgent hunt and what we've just learned President Trump summoned his intelligence chiefs to the Oval Office after their testimony in front of the American people contradicting the president on Syria, Russia, North Korea and ISIS. The president. Now says they were misquoted new development just in tonight in the alleged attack empire after Jesse Smolen after this. Surveillance the hostage standoff inside this prison. You can hear the guards tried to protect one another at what the prison librarian is able to do and the little girl who slipped through right into the wider exhibit tonight the images for the first time in the injuries worse than I thought and how quickly those two rhinos pinned the girl and the passenger jet from LA to New York and the lightning strike jet turned around, this is ABC wound news tonight with David Muir. Good evening. And it's great to have you with us on this very cold Thursday night, forty million Americans trapped in subzero temperatures tonight, at least thirteen deaths are now blamed on this frigid cold Chicago with wind chills hitting forty one below zero today Lake Michigan there, a frozen massive ice drivers facing whiteout conditions in Manville, New York and look at this firefighters battling freezing temperatures and exploding cars on the top deck of a parking garage. That's at Newark liberty airport wind chills below zero stretching into the northeast through tomorrow. And tonight in some parts of the country. There is actually concern over the natural gas supply to keep families warm. Some communities have been warned to turn their thermostats down ABC's with Johnson leads us off tonight tonight. The death toll rising and the deep freeze movies there? There on interstate eighty one north of Syracuse vehicle after vehicle stranded after sliding off the road white out conditions from lake effect snow making travel impossible, we've pulled over the car to the side of the road awaited out take a look at front of us. And so you see nothing but snow falling at a rate of two to three. Across the northeast fires breaking out in the subzero, wind chills in New Jersey. A ten alarm monster inferno at this paper mill the wind is not helping and the cold it's causing the fire to spread rapidly. The factory encased in ice. No one was hurt. But at least thirteen people have died since this polar invasion began tonight. Police are investigating the death of eighteen year old university of Iowa student. Gerald Bell's pre med major discovered outside a campus building in negative fifty one degree wind chill. People to remember him as a compassionate person across the midwest, the cold shattering records, the Chicago river completely frozen over our Alex Perez. Is there part of what makes this cold so dangerous is that it is lingering when it's all said and done Chicago will have been under this. Brutal cold for more than eighty hours energy companies in Minnesota and Michigan urging customers to conserve natural gas. We are appealing to all Michiganders' to consider reducing your thermostat as much as you can back in the north country. Even hardy Ellsberg residents caught off guard. You knew the snow is coming. But did you expect it to be this bad? No. The family not which often with us live tonight from sandy creek New York where the subzero wind chills. Lakes. No really have been relentless all day in witne. Not surprising tonight authorities there are ordering urging everyone to stay indoors, David. That's right. And that's because of the treacherous driving conditions and severe threat of frostbite some parts of upstate New York. Already got more than twenty inches of snow thirty mph winds, and it's not done yet. David central New York, my neck of the woods say hi to everyone up there with thank you. Let's get right to chief meteorologist ginger Zee tonight. She's along the George Washington Bridge at this hour ginger, I know this is going to last a little while longer. But there is hope there's relief on the Reisen. If we can just make it one more day, David. That's what we've gotta do. And this is after all time record lows were set in places like Moline, Illinois that dropped to thirty three below this morning or Rockford Illinois. That was thirty one below look at the winter weather advisories in place. Now, they've got snow on top of that. Cincinnati Indianapolis over to Maryland tonight into tomorrow frozen precipitation on top of this chill. One more morning. Like this five below zero feel like in Boston one below here in New York City. And then we start to rebound and rebound. Big time. We're talking close to seventy degree differences by the time. We reached the weekend in Chicago New York by Monday. We'll be fifty degrees warmer than we woke up this morning. David incredible whiplash, but we'll take ginger Zee. Thanks to you. There is news tonight about the police officer charged with manslaughter for killing a fellow officer in Saint Louis. Investigators said they were playing a version of Russian roulette in his home that officer facing a judge today. The prosecutor now suggesting police may have tried to rush to call this accident. Here's ABC's Linsey Davis. This Saint Louis police officer who fatally shot his colleague allegedly during a game now out on bail and ordered to turn over his guns. Circumstances surrounding the shooting were much more reckless and dangerous than what I had originally. Understood court documents allege th-annual Hendron recklessly discharged, a firearm, resulting in the death of another officer, and that he consumed alcoholic beverages while on duty today the police chief lashing out at the prosecutor who sent him this blistering letter accusing police of obstructing evidence and questioning why they only took urine and breath tests from the on duty officers, but no blood tests calling the accusations on. Certainly untimely and absolutely irresponsible. Police say Caitlyn Alex was off duty and playing a game similar to Russian roulette with Hendron who was on duty at the time when he shot her in the chest. But tonight Alex's parents are also questioning what happened we need more answers. Well, in the meantime, as this investigation plays out Lindsey is here, and they've already been changes in the department because of this case because of this David because remember the officer allegedly fired this fatal shot he was on duty. He was supposed to be out on patrol. But instead he was at home so effective immediately. The department has they're now going to start verifying the locations of the officers hourly Lindsay Davis with us tonight. Lindsey thank you. There are also new developments in what police call a possible hate crime against empire star jussie smollet in Chicago police overnight releasing surveillance showing two persons of interest seen in the area where Smolin told police he was beaten by men, yelling, racial, and homophobic slurs. His manager claims they were. On the phone when it happen. Both men have now been asked for their cell phones. Here's ABC's Stevenson Saami. These tonight are the best picture so far the two potential persons of interest. Chicago police are hoping to find these dark images in the freezing cold shortly before actor jussie smollet says he was viciously attacked. And set the apartments next to the Loews hotel, the openly gay actor was walking here early Tuesday morning from his apartment to this twenty four hour sandwich. Shop on his way back. He says he was beat up by two men with covered faces who poured a chemical on him. And we're yelling out, racial and homophobic slurs. I know the police department is working aggressively to come to the bottom of what happened. He told police one of them put a noose around his neck. And in a later interview said they yelled maga- country as they hit him today. The president was asked about the incident that I can tell you is horrible. I've seen it. Last night. I think that's horrible doesn't get worse. As far as I'm concerned a neighbor from the actor's apartment building told police that earlier she saw someone outside carrying some kind of rope. But police say her description of this person is different from the actors police do tell us lettuce seen on security camera walking back home with a rope around his neck. Mom, really he was in town filming empire the series that made him famous is manager confirms the attack saying that he was on the phone and heard everything police have asked for that phone and its records, but say smollet did not want to give those two police at this time. All right. So let's get back to Steven. And with us live again tonight in Steve we're hearing from Jesse smell. It's family now tonight for the first time. We are in a strong statement. They say that he is the victim of a racist and homophobic attack and that this was a hate crime. They say that his story hasn't changed from the very beginning. David Stevenson me. Thank you. President Trump summoning his intelligence chief to Oval Office. The meeting today comes after their testimony in front of the American people contradicting the president on Syria, Russia, North Korea and ISIS. The president says they were misquoted. Here's our chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl tonight. Less than twenty four hours ago. The president blasted his intelligence team as naive and passive after they contradicted him in front of congress. But today, he summoned them to the White House. And tonight says they are all on the same page president. Did you talk to your intelligence chief today about the displeasure? You had with their the says, the they would totally misquoted, and they were totally it was taken out of context. What I'd do is. I'd suggest that you call them. They said it was thinking, but the quotes he is talking about played out on live television the intelligence chiefs contradicting the president on several pressing issues on ISIS. The we have one against ISIS. The director of national intelligence says ISIS remains a big threat. Isis is intent on resurging and still commands thousands of fighters in Iraq and Syria on North Korea. The president has said Kim Jong Hoon is willing to give up his nuclear weapons. See? Director Gina hospital said not. So the regime is committed to developing a long range nuclear or missile that would pose a direct threat to the United States and on the president's claim that Iran continues to work on developing nuclear weapons, we do not believe Iran is currently undertaking activities, we judge necessary to produce a nuclear device those comments so infuriated the president. He tweeted perhaps intelligent should go back to school. And then of course, that meeting today in the Oval Office giancarl live at the White House again tonight, and John President Trump is now suggesting that reporters call up the heads of intelligence agencies for clarification, David he urged us to call the intelligence agency. So we reached out to the CIA. They gave us a simple, no comment. And then we both emailed and called the office of the director of national intelligence, and we didn't get any response at all the intelligence chiefs to usually do not like to hear from us giancarl. Our thanks to you. In the meantime, we turn now to the. Growing crisis in Venezuela. The struggle for power. They're still playing out opposition leader one glide to accusing President Nicolas Maduro Nell of threatening his family, sending special police to intimidate his wife in twenty month old daughter at their home and the Trump administration with a warning tonight against harming the interim, president ABC's senior foreign correspondent, Ian panel is in Venezuela again tonight. It began as a speech about fixing this broken country. But while when Guido declared interim president last week and strongly backed by the United States was talking in the televised address special forces believe connected to the man insisting he's Venezuela's real President Nicolas Maduro allegedly showing up at his home to ask questions about his wife. Why don't dashing home his daughter there? Laniado Johm cross the red line. He said, they're all types of county political sports, including the Matthew has codes one is the family is sacred. This is the latest esscalation in ever rising. Tensions many Venezuelans live in the state of fear where secret police round up opponents in the night in an op-ed in the New York Times today, why dose is he's had secret meetings with the military who aqui to Medeiros grip on power offering amnesty to those not guilty of t