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Blue Jays Offseason Special 2019-20 Edition with Ian Hunter

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Blue Jays Offseason Special 2019-20 Edition with Ian Hunter

"Happy offseason everybody. Welcome to your first painting. Corners off season preview episode of the Twenty Nineteen Twenty twenty season. If you weren't with US last year and don't really know how how these work essentially what we do. Is We take a ride from each team and kind of go through the positions and find out what went well for a team this year. What could go better in the future and kind of find find out each position where teams can add? Talent where teams need talent were teams already impossibly halved Jalan prospects basically what it comes down into his. We wanted to talk to a bunch of people you know. One person reads team who knows these teams extremely well and talked to them about the future of these organizations. We're going to do one of these forever. Eighteen it just so happens today that we're starting north of the border with Ian Hundreds of daily Hobby Toronto Ambu as nation to talk Toronto. Blue Jays we're GONNA talk everything from magnificent Boba shed the debut Vladimir Guerrero junior and Kevin To complete the super sons and of course the desperate need is starting pitcher. We did actually record this. Before the brewers Dell Jason Anderson to the J so kind of keep that in mind while we're talking about starting pitching we also talk about the amazing Nate Pearson Hookah possibly be the next big blue jays rookie to stand out in the next couple of years. We kind of just take a deep dive in this organization and take a look at each position and we hope you enjoy it. Welcome to painting corners. Your weekly podcast or all things baseball. Now your all your host Austin Hartsfield and Dave Quick Hausky when we. We made these off-season previews last year. We had a vision in mind. You know what we wanted to. We want to give the fans of those perspective teams and maybe even those outside. I'd like one of our biggest you know. Supporters is Matt. Roberts is a blue Jay fan so I thought it'd be pretty fitting actually to do the best one in our opinion last year here I this year and whenever we set out this visiting Wanted to put these together going back and listen to this episode. This blues episode last Austria was the best one possible and an hunter is back with us this year. Ian You know thank you so much for last year and I mean it's got to be exciting this year. Sing all those young guys that we talked about last. Come Up. Yeah I think you I mean. It was a really exciting year in terms of development for the Blue Jays Last year when we talked about these guys guys I didn't know if they were all going to come at once but yeah they've basically take all those guys that were in triple A. In two thousand eighteen and fast forward word to twenty one thousand nine. They're basically all at the big league level. You know Vladi Boba Chat Kevin Bijou lurks correal. Junior even somebody like Trent threaten. I mean it's basically you know. There's not too much. There are prospects in their in their system but not nearly as highly as touted as guys like Vladimir Shot. So it's going to be interesting next couple of years for this organization. This organization made a couple of big steps are not even big steps. I would say 'cause they did obviously big decisions. One of those decisions. This year was partying with just this absolute monster pitcher who I love watching and you know being around around lease on the pottery system. Stroman the guy that he reminds me of more than anybody you know you know what was like being around you know just what you would you think the return and kind of what was the fan base like after Stroman Gut Dell. I'm I would see the initial reaction to the trade seemed a little well under whelming Just because of the type of caliber of pitcher that Stroman was he was at the time I think he was basically like a top fifteen eighteen pitcher in the American League He was posting some pretty solid numbers and the Blue Jays only got back to prospects in return Anthony K and Siemian Woods Richardson so I was kind of expecting the one COMP. Maybe would have been like Clinton Frazier from the New York Yankees like that seemed like a possible offer. That may have been on the table so when that didn't materialize and they got a couple of pitchers it didn't seem didn't sit that right but really you look at the end of the season and Anthony K made a handful of start for the Blue Jays and Samir Woods Richardson. I don't know he might actually actually potentially crack The top one hundred prospect list this off season. And so I would say actually. In retrospect the trade Actually materialized pretty well and in Toronto I mean this happens in every market but I think fans Kinda romanticize certain players and remember remember them as a little bit better than they actually were and we saw. I think it was Brian. Cashman said something. The effect That they didn't the the Yankees didn't go after stroman or if they got him they would put him in the bullpen. which to me seem pretty surprising but You know maybe just baseball spawn. General didn't view him as quite a high of caliber. Starting Pitcher as people did surrounding Toronto. So all that. In retrospect it kind of explains the return the Blue Jays and they certainly need pitching in the future and if they were going to extend them to a sign him to a contract extension. I think it made sense to sell high and Get his best prospects as they couldn't. That's what they did in July Strom wasn't the only starting pitchers I got kinda doubt. I mean you had Aaron Sanchez. Who Mean has had blister Ariss US throughout his career? And then all of a sudden you know feels like you kind of get spit in your eye. WHENEVER SOMEBODY GOES TO HOUSTON or Tampa and they just they blossom? You know what was it. Like on the flip side the you know watching him but together but you know just kind of his performance in Houston and what was the return like on that train. The eyes of the timing of that was really bizarre because Jobe a genie was also involved in that trade from the Blue Jays so they did throw a combined no hitter and that was on the same night that the player they got back and returned Eric Fisher Fisher notes fielder. He took a ball in the face and had to leave a game so I was just like Oh. This is so poetic like soon. As pitchers leave the Blue Jays organization. They blossom awesome In a different organization but actually earn Sanchez was sidelined for the season. I think-i how to shoulder injury this time so he might actually miss some time. Hi next year and really he just yeah injuries that plagued him the last two years He wanted Ne- are a title and in Twenty Sixteen gene but I mean that was three years ago and he has failed to put together a complete season and I thought he was having a horrendous season injuries injuries notwithstanding he had like the worst. ERA Walk rate in the American League so the fact that the Blue Jays actually got something for for him in return is is a bit of a small Miracle Joe BG was just you know a a bullpen fodder and another arm. Like a dime a dozen guy you could get and Derek Doc Fisher was Again a bit underwhelming return. Because I think he's ceiling just kind of seems maybe fourth outfielder for this team moving forward but I guess you know this this organization just be spoken very highly Fisher so they clearly see something in him and again it was a case where bluejays wanted. They were going to move on from someone like Sanchez. Inches stroman so the decide to turn the page and and move on and get some prospects for them. One of my favorite positions to look at on this entire is depth. Chart is this catcher position. which we're going to start going through are going through thrown through our positions and kind of breaking these down can reach Maguire's late season surge at the major league level? Help him carve got a spot on the team next year Yeah it's actually the Blue Jays are kind of have Embarrassment of riches of the catching position. Danny Janssen started the year. Basketball is given the keys to the position. After Russell Martin was traded any caught the bulk of the Games through the first. Two thirds of the season I don't know if you just started to break down. You know the rigors of a full season but he really struggled at the plate and again maybe it was a case where he's just really focusing guessing on his defense getting newest pitching staff because he is basically leading The catchers are basically the quarterback. You know behind the plate. There so are there. They have their hands in every aspect of the game. But yes as you mentioned reese McGuire. He's always been a really really good defensive catcher And we saw that on display With the Blue Jays the last few months of the season I don't know if it's a case where he overtakes Danny Janssen but I think Maguire is definitely earned a a little more playing time next season. You know where it may have been a seventy thirty split Johnson and McGuire. I think I might inch towards maybe sixty forty next season. We will probably see reese McGuire catch a few more games. And then maybe in that case that gives Danny a little more time to focus on hitting potentially but yeah these two guys combined to really young promising catchers I mean even if mcgwire somehow takes over and catches every day I either or I think it's a really good situation for the Blue Jays to have right now and it's Kinda Kinda you get even better you would think with Riley Adams kind of up the pipeline. A little bit just almost almost seems to be almost ready You know one of our former guests on the show. Is Tyler Nickel who obviously is the announcer for the Fisher. Cats and I asked him about Adams. Adam seems like he was like of the of the three that I mean that I got to see like. He's my favorite. So what can you tell me about Riley Adams and you know. Is this like a next year thing or is this. I said two years away a yeah I. I don't forsee next year. I don't know all too much about rally items. I spoke with him a few years ago when he was in the Canadians Organization. Started with the Vancouver Canadian. So that's like the Blue Jays short season so he's definitely come a long way in the last a couple of years. But I don't from what I've seen from his numbers I don't think he's quite ready yet. To to make the leap to the big league level. The other thing too is the Blue Jays actually have Luke mealy still under contract as well so Could be a case where maybe the Blue Jays make a trade and ship out. Someone like Luke mailer or maybe they bring him back to start next season and that ships McGuire back down to AAA but I mean at this point. I feel like Maguire's probably earned a spot ought to stay so that probably means Adam stays at Triple a buffalo for now so unless he takes a big leap forward At the play I think he he probably sticks around in the minors. Maybe his timeline is more like potentially twenty twenty one and And midseason there so in another big question mark on the roster in his obviously first base Justin smoak has contracts expiring. Any chance you turn your. I think there is a potential for like a reunion. Maybe on a one in your deal because really looked at the the free agent market I base. I mean it's pretty thin. There's not that many guys out there And and someone like Justin smoak. He's incredibly he's only thirty two years old Muniz seems like he's forty compared to all these young guys on the on this blue jays roster but yeah he suffered a a little bit from injuries this season his playing time kind of diminished as the season went on and Yeah it's I I don't know I feel like it's a fifty fifty shot that maybe he comes back on like A team friendly deal you know maybe one year for five million something something like that But then at the same time you know there are some interesting names out there in free agency. You know there's Jose Abreu Potentially Eric themes the brewers declined declined his option for next year And then there's tons of potential for trades there at first base If you go down the depth chart you know someone like like Rowdy Tellez who had playing time at first base. I'm still not entirely convinced that. He's a legit everyday first baseman with the Blue Jays surly shown on the he can hit for power but he doesn't draw all that many walks on base percentage isn't that great To Ninety three this season with the Blue Jays so definitely I need someone who can get on base would be nice to have a nice glove there at first. That's the other thing too about Justin smoak as he's always been a had this reputation as a really good defender there at first base. He's a nice target to throw to for the infielders so if whether the blue jays move on from smoker bring him back next year I think they'd be fine with either decision decision. I think there's probably more upside. If you go into free agency but then you gotta spend a little more money more than five million so for honestly for me. It's a coin flip. I wouldn't be shocked if yeah either thing happens this off season you pretty much nailed it. I was it's funny because I was looking at The top thirty prospects list for the Blue Jays before we came one ear and not a single first baseman on that list which is kind of a big question mark for the Blue Jays. All is just GonNa ask you know how does rowdy to let you know fit into a potential chill long-term solution for the Blue Jays. I mean he Had Fifty seven games at first base like you said powers there you know there are some other question mark for him but like you said there's just not really any first baseman. The Blue Jays could go out and get. The market's pretty thin. I think this year not -sition But the other question I had for you was does Guerrero. Ever make the switch over to first base. There's I mean like I just mentioned the top thirty list. There's you know a ton of second base shortstop OP third base prospect in that top. Thirty you know is is a gross switch over to first base ever realistic you think. Oh Yeah for sure. I think it's coming Eventually eventually not me with I mean actually you know what I think it depends on how he shows up to spring training. This This coming season because because obviously you know they he was listed at two hundred fifty pounds. Some would say if it was actually more than that like more like two sixty two seventy avenue potentially By season's end and bluejays front office basically kind of challenged him to say you know you need to Not Lose weight per se but to show up and better better conditions for spring training next year. Because if you're if you're carrying that much weight it's hard really hard to be agile at third base and make those plays and it really loud. He's Fault at third base has never really been his arm. He's got a really tremendous arm. It's been his foot work And just getting to balls. So that's really tough when you're when you're all that weight there so if he shows up thinned down and does focuses a little more on conditioning. Maybe the Blue Jays feel a little more confident about keeping him at the hot corner in over the next few years. There's Bhai most have said that. Basically figure within the next two to three years that he shifts over to first base and Kinda does a similar to what. Miguel Cabrera de right right you. He moved from Third I and you know. T H is the odd time. But it's it's you would be hard pressed to give up on the A twenty year old third baseman at that position really doesn't from an organizational standpoint. It's not really a good look to say well. No I know we only gave you a year WE'RE GONNA move over to first base now like it's just it doesn't instill a lot of confidence in your prospects which is not really the type of environment that the Blue Jays are trying to cultivate right now so I think they're going to give him a chance give at least two years and then maybe reevaluate and potentially moving to I in in the year like twenty twenty two. Maybe so so. It's it's always inevitable right like nobody unless Adrian Bell trae which I think he's the he's the exception to the rule. Everybody just always moves from from third to first but I think you know obviously varieties bat plays up much better at third base than I because first baseman are such a dime a dozen. Like really you want a nice power position at third base and then you can fill first with free agency or you can convert outfielder into first base. So the dots. You much rather do that than shoehorn. Lodhi into first base and then try to find a a hard hit a really good hitting third baseman because because those are much harder to find it free agency and trade. Yeah those are always diamond thousand when it comes to just bigger guys that can hit the ball but obviously getting adding a guy like Vladi or a very good power hitting basement is something you want to hold on until you look at the big contracts in baseball you look at Bregman you look it a Nolan or not. Oh you're looking at rising star endeavors and it's going to stay there for a while. I always thought as body as a couple years over there. They're going to give them a chance to Kinda slimmed-down down. I always thought of more of a D. H.. For him and work on getting a defensive guy at first base like a smoke like a Mitch. Moreland like someone like that just to come in and pot. Twenty thirty home runs and good defense and some good veteran leadership in that diamond. which is going to be young for a while? So Gurriel is on a great contract. He's on the contract till twenty twenty twenty three. He doesn't make more than six million dollars during that time. He's twenty six years old. Now's you can write in his prime and Kinda ending it towards the end of that depending on how he you take care of himself and his health plays out and everything like that that leaves kind of a hold second base for now near the future. What the second base look like because the left side of that Enfield is set for years to come and consider that right? The right side of the field I base most likely going to be a a defensive guy plug and play year to year until you get lucky with someone that can come up and really play and dominate for his base. So what a second look kind of like for the short term this year but maybe even in the future a couple of years from now. Yeah I feel like Second Base cabbies IOS. Probably Your Guy Going into next year. If you're the Blue Jays Really really showed really awesome plate discipline with the Blue Jays. This past season almost a little too passive. I would say that was. Maybe one one of the faults in his game was that he wasn't really attacking hitters all that much he did post like great. You had the second highest on base I think on the Blue Jays Lead all rookies and walks Really really awesome bass run. Her can play plus defense at that position. So I feel that's probably Blay a set in stone for now and then maybe as a backup someone like brand jury probably fills in that position. But I don't know if he factors in To the long term of this team and then I'm just looking at like the blue jays minor league depth chart like Logan warmoth is is probably the next biggest name WHO's coming He's one of the Blue Jays top prospects. But he's probably still three or four years away so He even could convert to maybe shortstop as well he's played both positions. But I would say for now. Cambio basically bundle him in with Lottie Shat Chat and Gloria L.. And that's like the nucleus of this Blue Jays team for the next four five years. Yeah it looks good on paper there. I was worried more about it. Visuals going to get the full time there. Because you know Travis is on the contract for the next two years and arbitration too so you can get them kind of cheap and I didn't know visuals going to the Games they get the played appearances. You got one hundred games last year. Do you think it's going to be over on one hundred next year at second for cabinet. Ezio yeah I think over right. Yeah Devon Travis's really's been real with injuries. Last few years I think the Blue Jays probably non tender him this off season just because his salary's salaries getting high and he's a bit of an older player. I WanNa sees like twenty seven twenty eight years old at this point so You know the Blue Jays haven't said they've given the keys to Bijoux at second base but I would say essentially that they have because he did play the bulk of those games at second base in the second half this past year I love Kevin Bijou. Like he's one of I. Call them the super sons right in the Infield I mean because why not like. They're all the sons of the former big leaguers. At this point you know he was an ob darling which if you can't get on base you can't play play day school anymore. It's just it's flat out like the Chris Davis's of the world are going away. No guys like that. Where if you can't get on base you're basically useless to an organization if you're a header and you know he was he was I think second in war? Total war last year outside of the departed stroman which it was pretty incredible Coming from a guy that hadn't played at the big league level before you know. How did you feel about his first season at like as a whole you know outside of you know? Maybe the plate disciplined being not not like. It's obviously almost too good like you said like what's his biggest flaw right now Yeah I would say I mean his counting stats aren't really like average. I mean but really. That's kind of I feel like that's almost a dinosaur stat at this point Yeah two point. Four wins above replacement in one hundred games a Bijou was kind of like Vladi. A little bit where he had he would go hot and cold You know alternating two weeks stretches but overall I mean not like looking as numbers he he had drew seventy one walks works in one hundred games like Dodson seeing and for rookie as well too so to me that's just instills a lot of confidence. He he hit I. I had one game where he hit for cycle There was another game in particular where he bunted for double like if the the amount title Baseball Iq. I don't know if it's just like second generation baseball players because these guys have it ingrained in them but just watching plays like that. It's like Whoa Dude this you're going to have a really long and fruitful career. Like I don't know if you're GONNA be a perennial all-star but especially in a case where the blue jays where they don't nobody's banging down the door challenging there's nobody really nipping at these guys heels. It's it's their team right now. So someone like Joe I would say he's probably the least east heralded of like the Blue Jays super prospects but in actuality he had if you look at his numbers he had the best season out of the three of them so I would. I don't know I feel like Bishop probably takes off next year and and surpasses all three of them but These yo took the first big step I would say I mean we're already there. Why not just go ahead and go onto the budget? Guerrero era is is underway. North of the border like plain simple. You know he was seventh in war and just two hundred ordering twelve plate appearances. What was the most impressive part about Boba sheds debut-season everything like just every aspect of his game game? He's such such an incredibly well rounded player. I mean in the case of Lottie is is his weapon clearly is what he's born to do he's born and bred to hit but but yet is just like you're watching him run around the bases like a madman you know hitting double able after double and he can hit for power to all fields. Not Just Paul but opposite field as well and you know maybe the One flon on his game is. He isn't the most gifted shortstop but I would say that even dating back to his days in the minor leagues he's still. He's made quite right if you strides in the Defense Department as well so this is someone who he actually grew up in Colorado like cross pass. It tried to Lewinsky. He said said before that he kind of doesn't idolize to Lobi tries to model his game after him. So that's someone certainly like. If you're going big picture if we can become true to Lewitt's gear troy to Lewinsky Light. I think the Blue Jays would be really really happy with that and even just given the fact because he only he came in midway through the season right it was right after the Eric. SOGARD trade Give Bobi show full runway or a full season next year I think he's GonNa put up some really really really big numbers for the bluejays. There's only one thing that he didn't do very well last year and that was walk eight which he hasn't really it done his entire minor league career. Is that like the biggest spot where he can improve. Or is there another A minor flaw in his game so far. Yeah I I guess that would be like I mean he were he's at so miniscule. It's like nitpicking. Is Crazy is like the Yang to B.'s. Yang where you know. Ezio Supreme Supreme Plate Discipline Bouchette really doesn't have any but that is his strength. Because he's such a hacker like he's always swinging always making contact And there's a tiny swing and miss there but he has a ferocious swing in when he acts like it's awesome. It's awesome to watch so I'm I'm almost tempted to say you know you don't WanNa mess with a with a good thing too much because then you don't WanNa sap some of the power out of his bat so I I was just let him go. Maybe try to work a few more walks a little more disciplined but that's a strength is just swinging. So I'd say let him swing for the fences only lead to prospects this year on the top one hundred list for moby pipeline. One of them is Jordan Groshans. You know he's he's still a little bit away. Obviously but you know with the Infield infield blocked off on the left side right now to see of the ability to play third base or is this like a way in the future. Type thing with Groshans to me. It's always so hard to project special not just position players but pitchers as well to see where they're going to be you know three or four years down the line Especially since this infield is going to be so ingrained for like the next four or five years I really don't foresee a a situation where someone like Groshans comes up and and contributes. I mean maybe if there's a significant injury or an unexpected trade but really it's As I said it's Vladi Shat Bijou or driving the bus. And unfortunately it's GonNa it's GonNa be tough for some of these minor league prospects to break through because they we do have such a talented young guys who've already broken through and establish themselves At the big league level. Yeah I mean it's it's Kinda crazy you know because when you have of this channel like you just said you have other guys on the system integrators like we can't give you time because we have busy. Oh Beset Guerrero oh like where are we gonna put you like feel like a lot of these guys might have to carve out spots somewhere else will there be converting the first base and the outfield or stuff like that. You know it's good problem to have. Maybe that's the case where these guys really perform the minor leagues and they become trade fodder and bluejays package them together to bring bringing some big league talent like some some pitching for example which they sorely need But yeah that's probably a good problem to have. I mean the Blue Jays weren't organization who always struggled with developing position players Think last year when they traded Kevin Poole Lar- I think that was their only born and bred Drafted into developed player that they had remaining their starting lineup and this season they had a their infield was completely homegrown drafted developed or international signing. So I mean. That's that shows you how far this organization is come. Even within within the last three four years they really used to stack up on pitchers draft develop pitchers pitchers in there with their high draft picks. But now they've really really. The tide is turned their focusing. Much more position players was the the large rate pretty shocking to families I I was certain segments of it. Yeah because he was kind of like a beloved you know real underdog type of player. He was a late round pick. I think he was something like nine. I forget nine. Forty two drafted overall like just just the fact that he materialized into anything for the Blue Jays let alone a starting center fielder who played plus defense was remarkable But when the Blue Jays traded him I felt like they needed to make that move to kind of clear the deck to to see whether they could someone like gorilla could play the outfield whether Hernandez is Justified a spot in the in center field. or whether someone like Rick Did so without that portrayed the Blue Jays don't have that Intel this year ear and I think that was a move they had to make anyway because he would would have been a free agent at the end of next year. Anyway I moving over to Thir- I know we've hit on and Cloudy Pretty Hard This episode but Just a quick question. Did vladi live up to his hype. And your opinion No no I I I really feel retrospect I like the I think he was over hyped and it was so it was hard not to ripe it just because he terrorized the minor leagues The last three years like he just he was not challenged whatsoever he just destroyed did every challenge while there were no challenges he he he steamrolled the minor leagues and then it was like must see TV. Like you had to check bodies boxcar doc square every night the show on rookie mode every night. He was the he was playing video. He was the guide and God mode so it was. This was really the first case in blades career pro career where he was challenging where he struggled so there were peaks and valleys He had some pretty solid numbers about maybe midway through the season but really it kind of tailed off near the end. That may have been you know. He's is playing his first full season. again we talked about it before maybe needs a little bit better conditioning to be able to survive the rigors of a full season because because the blue jays actually they kind of did the Leonard thing where they had load management with Vlad he never played more than five games in a row at third base. Yes he would all they would always follow that up with a D. H. Day or rest day so Yeah so but we're in somewhere in the case with Abo- shit. He played every day. hit the ground running as soon as he was called up. So I feel like if you're GonNa do that you really can't these these guys have to be ready to play every day So someone like gladys. It's even if he hit thirty home runs. There might have been some people who said well you know we. We really thought he would hit forty but Someone I can like mirrors development with as Rafael Devers like people are kind of saying the same things like yeah he struggled Looked really bad. Defensively third base. Which Vladi didn't but you could use a little bit of work but this season divers you know really really really turned to season around and ideally? I think that's maybe what happens with grow. In the next couple of years he finally gets comfortable at the play. You know ooh conditioning gets a little bit. Better works on that footwork at third and I think he becomes a a really solid defense. Erse assaulted everyday third base. Yeah and I mean you pretty much nailed it A. I like the diverse comp devers had a really really good season this year and Like you said if Saudi Gets that worked out. And he shows that he can stay over there at third base. That'd be huge for that. I'm Blue Jays team but moving on. How do you think the atmosphere is different with this team? And I with Vladi and machete over there on the left side of the field and it was years ago with A lot older team. I mean this team is really young as like a different feel feel different atmosphere in your opinion and that clubhouse and you know is there like a leader on the team now with this younger team. Yeah I would say. There's definitely a stark contrast where you know a few years ago. The Blue Jays had one of the oldest teams in Major League Baseball and now they have one of the youngest so these guys are really having fun And even in the month of made this team really struggled but by the in the second half of the season they played made I think just like five games under five hundred which was really surprising to me You know considering the fact that they lost ninety five games but yeah it's it's a really. The atmosphere surrounding. This team is pretty exuberant. Because it is a lot of young guys like they're in their early to mid twenties And these are you know like superstar potential players whereas before I would say even earlier this year guys like stroman and Sanchez. Were still hanging around around. You know you figure these were players that would probably move on from this organization sooner or later and then you you know you make trades in the off season like you know the Russell Martin deal and the year error. The deadline prior to that Josh Donaldson and really the vibe is just completely changed. I mean ideally. You'd like to see this people. The Blue Jays would like to win a lot more games but the their nucleus is in place they have the their pillars here basically at the big league level level. And now it's time to you know improve improve developing these young players augmented with some free agents and trades and and Hopefully they need the take the next step next year. Jumping outside of the Infield for a minute. The outfield is one of the most interesting spots on the Blue Jays. I think along with starting pitching in the outfield right. Now you have one guy you really committed yourself to. which is he's going to be making thirteen million dollars around that between ten thirty million until now until twenty twenty three? He's twenty eight years old. At this point we kind of know. We're getting out of them. He is going to swing offenses. He doesn't get on base. He's not a money ball type of player he's a three hundred. Ob Pay that's a good batting average. It's not a good Grischuk whole thing is that he has pop he really does and he's GonNa hit twenty five to thirty home runs a year but it's getting away from them from two things. It's getting away from the Blue Jays. Don't I don't want to spend a lot of money in free agency. They trade away players. They don't want to commit really long term they give them a kind of a decent amount of money but he also gets away from the whole whole Kinda like get on base and let you know let ball and let Vladi binghaman smoke. Bring him in. What's the plant the outfield because right now is a Grischuk and Hernandez correct? So what is it GonNa look like opening day. Why does extension to Grischuk who you know is a career three hundred peak career to thirty hit or two forty? Yeah I mean there were definitely. Some people's eyebrows raised a little bit when that extension was signed just prior to the beginning of the season. Because he's it didn't really profile is the type of hitter like Oh this is somebody. The Blue Jays need to lock up. And it wasn't really all that crazy of a deal. Five Years Fifty five million actually pretty reasonable. I think what the Blue Jays were doing was just was just kind of locking in some cost certainty So that they the and he's the type of player who you know probably profiles to age pretty well Plays he's played plus defense in the outfield whether it's insanity right-field field Really good base runner does give you some pop. He hit thirty plus home runs for the first time in his career but on the downside you know he's only got a two eighty on base percentage and what the Blue Jays really struggled with especially in the outfield is a kind of a lot of players with the same skill. Set like they tasker Hernandez larger scale. They can all hit for power but they're not great on base guys straight. They strike out a ton like one hundred fifty plus times in a season. You can't really have three of those guys in the field So I I don't know what they do. There Lurks Green. Juniors also probably earned a spot in left field. He was the converted second baseman who basically like shocked everybody. At how smoothly. He transitioned to the outfield last season. So I would say pencil. Oh Him in for left field probably And then maybe the blue jays get a little creative maybe they make a trade I don't know whether that would be for rightfielder Centerfield but to me. Grischuk probably plays better as a center fielder. Some of his best defensive numbers were and Centerfield with the cardinals a few years ago. So I feel like the Blue Jays probably should be try to be consistent. Leave him there and potentially go into free agency and get a are a rightfielder eight filter or maybe someone. I've read about actually earlier. This week was corey. dickerson is a really intriguing. Name out there. Somebody who has had has a little bit of power you're Always had really good. WABC plus numbers and is bizarre. He's been really good so someone that I he's going to be in high demand but I mean if the Blue Jays may gone ice offer plug him in left field maybe put Gurriel into right and then put Grischuk in center field so It's really it's GonNa be really interesting what they do. I think it's going to be that field next or this coming season's GonNa look a lot different than it did on opening day This past season. Yeah Yeah I think having Gorell out there in Grischuk already makes it look different and it makes sense of wise spending the little chunk of change they did. I think just from an outside perspective. It's like why not go into free agency agency in AD that ten million thirteen million a year into a bigger player. But that's not really the style the Blue Jays so it makes sense doing that. Hey guys if you you have heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. LemMe explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and enter your podcast right from your phone or computer anchor will distribute your podcast as for you so it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts and many other platforms. You can make money from your podcast with no minimum listeners. And it's everything you need to make a podcast when David started this Bugah August. We definitely didn't think that it would be this easy in anchor has made it just that you know we've picked up along the way we're having fun doing this but we're also making a little bit of cash so you can to download the free anchor Anchor Dot FM to get started anchor dot fm all right so let's kind of dive into this to the fun part of this team. What the Hell is going to happen at? The starting rotation at the beginning of the year is a spot where you had a bunch of veterans you know like maybe be minimum not even minimum level. Like you know one two five million dollar guys. You know outright of Selo Selo no no no. He gets his pitches just every time he needs to go up there. God how does this rotation shake out on opening day. You think well I'll just to give you an example with the Blue Jays. Depth chart looks like it starting pitching there number one starters trend Thornton which no offence trend threatened by these would be pitching in the software season Claybon Kohl's is is a free agent so don't count him. Jacob wagons pack. Who again? He's kind of like a mid tier starter like number four number five anthony a a TJ Roy. So that's basically you know three rookies and a sophomore which I mean that seems pretty dangerous rangers to me. So they've definitely gotta go into Free Agency and Trade and get some guys Pursell is actually one name WHO I. I don't think it'd be a bad idea. The Blue Jays really what they need and I I hate to say this because it sounds like. I'm just lowering the bar. But they need guys who can throw innings just pure innings at this point. is the bare minimum requirement for sallow for all his faults. Last couple of years. He's made his starts. He's made thirty plus starts on several occasions. So someone like per Selo I've looked at like I've Gone Nova would be another option somebody but he was very durable and then pro like you know the bluejays are probably in the mid tier market. They're not going to be shopping at the top of the market. They're not getting gear. Colour Zack Wheeler. You know someone like J. Code or is he actually is pretty a pretty interesting option but I have a feeling. He's going to get plucked up by another team or the Blue Jays will get outbid did for him but that's basically the blue jays need to shop. I would say they at least need to sign to free agent starters and if they make another trade I don't know not necessarily like a cornerstone starter like a number one starter but getting an trading for number three. I don't know who that would be but adding at least three. Starting pitching arms is like the number one requirement for this team this off season shoemaker GonNa make a comeback next year you think he was is lights out to start the year. I mean he had like a one five zero with thirty fittings. See Ya. It's I've already forgotten about Matt Shoemaker. But yeah he is. He's under team control for next season. Yup last year yeah curly rea- he's rehabbing that ACL injury so You know blue-sky picture blue skies scenarios that he does come back next year but again with substantial injuries like that I kind of always never bank on starter. So he is someone who could make an an impact. There's also Ryan Baraki as well. He only made two starts this season. He really struggled with injuries again. Someone who I would not like Pencil clean for twenty plus starts next year but certainly some depth there but really you just that that's why the Blue Jays need to get like seriously durable. We'll reliable starting pitchers. which is you know tough to find because more times than not you're paying through the nose and either prospects or just pure cash for them in in free agency but I mean that's the Blue Jays need to do I mean? They went the dumpster dive method last year. And they got you know someone like Klay Buckles and and you know. He did admirable job. But he's not gonNA give you one hundred and seventy innings like used to last Tyler's ICAL. Little Tidbit did bit of the night. I promise I asked him about about Pearson. You know that I was like what did you think of Pearson. He said hardest worker. I've ever seen in six years of Minor League baseball student a scholar of the game. What makes Nate Pearson so special? In your eyes I would say just blake from a pierced velocity like bill I think he Through like one zero. Three one zero four the Arizona Fall League last year. all-star it was the fall league all star game or something like that. It's just that's something whenever ever a young arm throws that heart you've got to stop and pay attention and his secondary stuff is amazing as well as slider slider is a devastating pitch. And this is someone who I mean. Even if he blows the doors off spring training next year. I don't don't make this bluejays squad at a spring training reasons. Well Yeah obviously so. The Blue Jays crooned manipulate service. Time like Dave flighty. But I think he I you know best case scenario he maybe joins the Blue Jays and like June or July. Because he he is someone who factors in to be you know after Bouchette Vladi Pearson is clearly the Blue Jays highest prospect. Right now I think he's GonNa Skyrocket Up. He's probably if he's not already within the top ten he should be within the top ten prospects in baseball This is a guy who's is going to be. He can stay healthy. He's going to be electric so that this is someone who fans are are really excited to see what he is in the top ten and I was just about to ask about about that. He's actually number ten. You know has it. How does it feel coming now? I think it's like the third or fourth year straight to where you have a top ten prospect. What's it like it covering just having covering a team with a guy in the top ten every single year? Yeah it's it's pretty interesting. I mean it's an embarrassment of riches for the Blue Jays basically because they have had these Lake Stud prospects in the pipeline. And you know most of them have materialized at the the big league level so it always I mean if we're talking about a team like the Baltimore Orioles for example like the Orioles Orioles lost one hundred plus games but are people salivating over the orioles prospects right now. I don't really think so like someone like Nate Pearson is someone who's knocking at the door. Could be at the big league level next year Makes for a really really intriguing team to follow So yeah it it it. Does you know it reminds me a kind of like sort of like right before the Blue Jays started to blow up in the late eighties early nineties where where the Blue Jays just had this conveyor belt of players ready to go whether it was pitchers or position players. So it's a it's making for a really exciting exciting era For this franchise is always from the stretch and he still gets that much power. Yeah it's crazy like just like even watching his delivery every it's like it's all limbs coming at you as big as ours speeds up so much at released. It's insane. Yeah if you are earn opposing hitter like good luck t man like it's just it's gotta be impossible And so anything like just variants of like you. You know high eighties to one. Oh four is just I like. If you're an opposing hitter like what do you do like I would just stand there and then walk back to the Dugout so yeah. He's a really really intriguing arm and he should be He'll light up the gun at triple A.. The season I would expect him as I said if he's healthy. Healthy healed will join the Blue Jays at some point in two thousand twenty. You know asked him callously about you. Know when he's evaluating pitchers what does he look for. Any the first thing he said was without even looking at anything else. That's kind of ease of delivery and it looks like delivery is almost effortless and it's even coming out of the stretch which is insane. Yeah just like. He's got that typical you know like he's a he's a big dude like he's pretty tall as well so it's just yeah the ads very natural. It's unlike someone who like juxtapose him with Trent Thornton who has probably like six or seven working pieces in his delivery. Kore- Napier says just a natural. It's like all gas coming out of his out of his hand. We've pretty much covered. Starting pitching debut raid hover over the bullpen. Yeah I I love the philosophy of the bullpen in Toronto. And I think it's been pretty good last couple years with what you guys have to work with. I the prospects some really Nice Prospects Nate Pearson. Obviously being one of them where he's project to come up next year does he come next year with the whole service time you guys aren't going to compete next year maybe maybe not and then you have Alec Nausea Minora Minora. It was so close. You can have any CY. I know he so close but he he was close. I was close everyone. That was this. This show knows that. Like when you're going on with the C- like you're proud but not magic disappoint so he really good. Football prospects shot the panel on every single time. You come on the show and talk about him. Hometown legend great guys. Well but you guys have so many good young prospects coming coming up when they do get up. It's GONNA be legit. You had Roberta's Oona you move on from him but he was Electric Arman steelers. Houston you bring in Ken Giles. Who people were kind of writing off? Because because he's kind of a psychopath in the nicest way possible because I think he would throw baseball on his own head if he had to your. Did it once in freaked out his manager but he's a good baseball player. He's got an electric arm. I really don't know why the Blue Jays trade him at the deadline other than maybe the injury. Thank you Daniel Hudson who started out as kind of like a like always competes in turn into a really good dinning guy that was in the world series has put a big pretty big role there. What is the I know what the future holds for this bullpen open? But what is the next year GONNA look like and on top of that. Who is the man behind getting this done because buffalo has a a plethora of young arms and the keep bouncing back and forth but is your bullpen? Coach is the pitching coach. Is it a combination of organizational stuff because it seems like that not only are they hitting on some of these guys. But they're developing them as well and the hardest thing to do baseball. My opinion is to find good young pitching talent as the end develop it. Ah Make sure that the arms don't fall off the John. Yeah see one really big strength of this front front office is their ability to identify. Hey you know. Low cost bullpen arms. And turn them into either. You know really. Good pitchers or parlay them into trades for other prospects ex like over the last few years they made some prettiest do trades like they signed Joe Smith to a a team friendly deal shipped him off to Cleveland for Thomas Bone own last season. They signed tyler. Clifford Sung John Oxford Trade. Most of those guys piled up some prospects there eh and as you mentioned this this offseason they signed Daniel Hudson and turned him into a prospect as well and I would say the the biggest question surrounding this bullpen. This unit is whether the Blue Jays do in fact trade. Ken Giles because he was someone. WHO's basically ticketed to be traded at the deadline? If not for the his injury concerns. I think the Yankees basically pulled out at the last second. Otherwise they bluejays would've traded giles to to the Yankees which makes all the sense in the world So I think it's because he's only under contract for one more year. So you know you you questioned whether maybe the Blue Ajay's sign him to a contract extension potentially because you're always going to need back in bullpen guys and Giles's shoney's has electric stuff. He's only twenty twenty eight years old so And then basically they've kind of cobbled that back into the bullpen together like they picked up. Derrick lawn Kevin trade. You Know Wilmer Font was their opener. This season posted some really strong numbers out of the bullpen opening games for the Blue Jays MM-HMM and then you've got to Sam. Villa was another Nice story out of the Blue Jays. Bullpen this year. He was basically there long. Men who posted career highs and career best S. numbers and Ranchera who came back from injuries. Basically kind of been the setup man in the waiting the last couple of years so I mean. It's not what you know. This isn't like Yankees level bullpen by any means but pretty respectable even if you subtract. Ken Giles from the equation. I think they fair. Okay but yeah. That is the one question that I'm looking forward to. Seeing is whether they do what they do with congeals off season. Because I think if he's on the trading block there's a tiny teams that are interested in for sure. Just kind of wrapping up here looking at this roster. What three positions? Where would you say needs to be addressed during free agency Genesis? This year is starting pitching one. Two and three probably One Yeah for sure. Starting pitching number one I think just because there are so many stars on the market. I mean there aren't a ton of elite starting pitchers but there's guys who you know number three number four so that you could easily Easley signed to two deals. That don't aren't inexcessive thirty or forty million dollars secondarily I think first base is probably Somewhere the Blue Jays could probably shop Talked about him before a brave new themes potentially justice re-signing Justin smoak. I think but those would all be Ideal improvements over letting someone like ready to allies start every day and then Bringing in fielder the Corey dickerson is someone who I mentioned earlier. that would be an ideal fit. There's tons of guys out on the market but I don't think as many that would make an impact as someone like Corey Dickerson so The top three from you. It'd be starting pitching first base and then field corner outfield either left or right field. That was your debut. off-season Preview Lousy Eh. One hundred of the daily have Toronto and bourges nation. Thank you so much again for joining US giving issue version you know how many wins. Do you think the Blue Jays get in the twenty twenty season next up. We're going to be swimming with the fishes Friday we have the marlins episode with with. This drips own. Ethan Petoskey Ethan is also the host of earning their stripes. podcast with talking all marlins all the time the marlins episodes exit one of my favorite podcasts. That we've done in in a very long time. We kind of Gush over the MARLINS super rebuild it as it may be We also go over all of the trades that happen Concerning big prospects not even prospects with big outfitters like we talked about yell at Stan. No Sooner Real Muto Dee Gordon even and just how these guys have built this organization from the ground up in basically made jeeter look really really good in the end. But we can't wait for you to hear it and that will be coming up Friday. Thank you for joining us on. This blew up suit and we hope you enjoyed.

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Radio Bypass Podcast Episode 112

Radio Bypass Podcast

44:15 min | 1 year ago

Radio Bypass Podcast Episode 112

"You really got me. That's my the hoop. Poles version from their debut album came out fifty years ago in nineteen sixty nine the album was called rock and roll Queen. And that introduced the world to certain Mick Ralphs born Michael Jeffrey Ralph's and this day March thirty first back in nineteen forty four. So Mick Ralph's, turning seventy five today. And if you're not familiar with Mick from his work with Martha hoople his first band, you might know him better from a second band, bad company. Mc win ended joint form bad company and put out their first record in seventy four and he continued to work with bad company throughout the rest of his career. And once in a while reuniting with Ian Hunter and some of his other bandmates from the Hoopoe, but bad company being his main ongoing band, and then he also formed a blues band just called Mick row. Blues band in twenty seven and they put out a record in twenty sixteen and that is probably going to be the last recorded output from Mick Ralphs because that same year, he suffered a pretty devastating stroke. So he still with us, but don't know if they'll ever be able to play guitar again. So anyway, as we're getting ready to do episode one hundred twelve of the radio bypass by cast thought, we do a little salute to Mick Ralph's, great guitar player on his birthday. So kicking it off with the very first thing we ever heard from Mr. Ralph's from that hoople. And now the last album from bad company with both him and the almighty ball Rogers in it, the students called electric land. It's. Imagine. Ever. Electric lands bad company from their nineteen eighty two release rough diamonds and the last bad company record feature vocalist, Paul Rogers, but bad company under Mick Ralph's, watch continued on with a new lead singer and in nineteen eighty six they released an album called fame and fortune. This is the title track. Okay. It's. Fame and fortune and came out in nineteen eighty six that was the title of the album and the first to feature new vocalist, bad company, Mr Brian how and fame and fortune. The song was written by the birthday boy, Mick Ralphs. So we've got one more song in our birthday salute to Mr. Ralph's, and that is from his last album like I said in twenty sixteen he put out a record with his blues band and the record was called. If it ain't broke and it had mostly covers songs on there, including a version of a bad company song, they might recognize it originally came out in nineteen seventy seven twenty sixteen recording of it. And that's Hyun is too bad. Nikki. Ralph's and his blues band too bad from their twenty sixteen release if it ain't broke and that is probably going to be the last record. We hear from Mick Ralphs who is celebrating his seventy fifth birthday today. But unfortunately, as I said McKenna major stroke in twenty sixteen same year that they did this album and far as I know he's still paralyzed on his left side. So I don't know that we'll see mic back playing guitar, but it was his birthday today. And I thought we should salute them. So there you go. Happy birthday, Mick Ralphs. I'm Ralph Rasmussen with one hundred and twelve of the radio bypass by cast keep things rolling along now with some new music, some current music, I up as a band called the treatments, and this is tune called. Let's get dirty. Let's get dirty nice from the treatment aband- out of Cambridge England. And that's from their new album called power crazy and another band with a new album out in twenty nineteen is rival sons. Tune called do your worst. Blonde. Your. Still tone. Taking when you're old. Steal your tongue. New music from rival sons do your worst and south. They're twenty nineteen release feral routes. We're gonna keep the rack rolling now with some more new rack enroll from twenty nineteen. This is tesla off their latest. It's called I want everything. Time. Donna what? Honest. John. It's not the same. Power. What? Title. That's. Seasons. Jerry. I want everything that's brand new from Tusla off their new album shack, and I'm row free estimates in keeping the rock rolling some new rack rolling another band with a new record out. This just came out and Friday is LA guns. This is a tune call another season in hell. You can't. Kathy. Brand new music from L A guns, another season how and that's off their just released album that devil. You know? I'm Ralph Rasmussen. And we are just about wrapping up sewed one hundred twelve of the radio bypass podcasts. They appreciate you coming by. And checking out another episode as always and come back next Sunday for some more great rack enroll both old and new. I mean today we spanned fifty years starting to show off with something from nineteen sixty nine and now a whole bunch of songs from twenty nineteen so get all kinds of music for you both from the past and the presence and sometimes even the future when they release a track ahead of time. We'll bit before new album. So again, thanks for listening. I am an Aleve you with something from record that just had its birthday yesterday March thirtieth and that one was from Aerosmith back in. Two thousand four they put out a record called Hawkin on Bobo and took a couple of months, but it did go gold and showed pretty well on all the charts number five and the tap two hundred chart, and then even number one on the blues chart, which is pretty good considering Aerosmith isn't a straight up blues band, but honk on Bobo did have Aerosmith doing a lot of cover songs of blue songs that influence them when they were first getting in the music and some of the stuff that shaped the sound of Aerosmith. So I say that record just turned fifteen yesterday. Let's leave you with come back next week if you need anything. In the meantime, you can always drop me an Email at Ralph at radio bypass dot com. Or stop by any of the social media sites radio bypasses on all of those as well. Thanks again. For listening have a great week talk to you. Next Sunday, MRs Aerosmith with a tune called. You gotta moon. You got a. Fat. I'm good. Was gone. The.

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Duct Tape MacGyver: The Sticky Secrets

Every Little Thing

31:44 min | 1 year ago

Duct Tape MacGyver: The Sticky Secrets

"This episode of every little thing is brought to you by the makers of Hillshire snacking small plates. A curated combination of high quality meats, artisanal cheeses and savory crackers look for Hillshire snacking small plates in your grocery store or at Hillshire snacking dot com. This up of every little thing is brought to you by Auden a new line of intimate apparel. Available only at target audit makes bras designed for comfort support and a great fit in sizes thirty two AA to forty six g all under twenty two dollars and find your fit at target dot com. Or look for Auden in your nearest target store. You have reached the every little thing helpline, please leave your message after the tone. Hi, yes. And I was just curious. Because there's sex alleged facts that they duct tape can fix everything maybe perhaps every little thing. So I was just curious about the extent of the things that duct tape can fix. Hello. Hey in its flora from every little thing. Hey, how's it going? It's good. So have you experimented with extreme duct tape fixes while? The most weird thing that I used it for was a potato cannon. I taped it together. And it withstood the explosion of the potato cannon. So I thought that was pretty impressive exercising your second amendment right to shoot potatoes. That's right. Homemade cannons. How far did the potato go about a football field? Whoa. Yeah. It was a it was a blast. So how would you characterize duct tape in the world of tape? Like if you were writing the screenplay duct tape the movie. Okay. What's the plot? I think it would probably have to have Bruce Willis where he gets shot, and then has to wrap themselves and duct tape and it stops the bleeding, and he becomes the hero. Okay. What do you want to know? I guess I wanna know. What could it actually be used for like how strong can duct tape actually be? Yes. If I really needed to could I craft an airplane with duct tape. Do you think you could and my imagination? I definitely can. I'm excited to tell you about reality. I'm excited to hear reality. So we began by calling Dan Monson. Hello in. Hello. Dan, develops tapes for three m a leading duct tape maker. And Dan said the reason duct tape is the sporty spice of tapes. I'm paraphrasing is that. It's terrible. Waterproof, an extra sticky compared to save masking or scotch tape because it has more glue per unit area, you can use it to do a number of odd jobs around the house. I mean, I think it's probably the most versatile tape there is, but how sticky is it? That's what we wanted to know. Like could you use it to stick yourself to the ceiling? I mean from experience I can I can tell you that you can stick someone to a wall. Lease. I'm gonna need a little more info. So there is this is kind of embarrassing, but there's one time. Man, I must've been nine or ten, but I got duct taped to a wall. Were you off the ground? Oh, yeah. I stood on a chair while they put tape around me. And they pulled the chair way. And I was stuck there. How long were you stuck there? Oh, I don't know. I mean, it was probably fifteen twenty minutes. Maybe that's way longer than I thought especially for a nine year old. That's a long time. Did they leave you all yet? Yeah. Yeah. They did. So you're not safe yet tape expert, Dan said that duct tape is sticky enough to hold an adult you to the wall. Oh, sure. It's just a matter of square footage because we measure that fourth its ability to bond per inch. And it's pretty healthy that it's five ten pounds per inch. So naturally, all you have to do is increase the area that's under peel, and you can hold anything. Okay. So we also wondered about the strength of duct tape. Like if you were to hold an end in each hand how much force would you have to apply to make it snap? Like, could you? Use duct tape as a climbing rope, right? Like a duck tape or puzzle. Exactly. And Dan said duct tape is really strong. It would take forty to fifty pounds of weight to snap. A piece of duct tape. That's one inch wide. So for the refundable scenario. A two hundred pound person would require about a five inch wide role. And I would air on the. Caution and go with a twelve inch wide role. You know, just to be safe. I mean, come on. Please do not try this in. Okay. I won't. The last thing we wanted to know from Dan was whether duct tape was a four season tape. Can it be used in the bitter cold, though, you you really begin to have trouble below forty Fahrenheit. At that point. The glue doesn't hold as well. Right for heat. It's it's ranges more impressive. We asked if you could roast a hot dog on a duct tape skewer, can I can I guess the answer to that? Please do. Yes. I believe that you can I like your faith in duct tape. The answer is. No, no, no, no, no, no there two problems with that. One is in the heat. The the duct tape will soften and it will lose its strength. But here's the bigger problem. The components of this product are flammable, and they would begin either to burn or to begin to off gas and the the hot dog would not taste good. That is my culinary advice. But duct tape Ken withstand boiling water. Yeah. Because they're the temperature to twelve Fahrenheit. It could handle that, you know, not for a long period of time two hundred twelve Fahrenheit is not that hot for those components. Wow. Okay. I would not have guessed that at all. So what do you think? Ian is this changing your view of duct tape duct tape is still pretty much just as useful as I thought it sounds like we haven't knocked your socks off yet. Yeah. But I bet there could be something more that would blow my socks off you bet. Right. I think we have exactly the story that will blow your socks off. A razor blade. Cut him like six inches long raider bike cut when we told this story to Dan his socks combusted. Oh, look at that. Look at that. Oh, wow. And that's coming from an expert. So I'm all ears. I'm ready to hear this. Let me introduce you to Gary Larose. I'm a lifelong Alaskan and played with my dog. What kind of dog? Little black lab. He's only three months old crazy. We'll sh. Gary owns a hunting lodge out on the Alaska peninsula. It's at long arm that comes off of Alaska and stretches out towards Japan. Yeah. Way up there remote huge mountains. Lots of big game Brummer, moose and Gary's hunting lodge is where the duct tape saga unrolls. Begins two thousand nine we were hunting moose in September. You killed our last move setting around the eighteenth nineteenth, and Gary has moose meat hanging in his Meech. It back windows open up an air convo through it this cool air this time of year. Just ages meet night tender rises, I feel like that would just attract all the bears. Well, funny, you should say that because Gary said, I'm paraphrasing here, the meat shed brings all the bears to the yard to have all that Meath right there that it can smell it. They can see in. It's just, you know, overwhelming to like me at a cheese plate. Is that? Hey. We all have our. Gary's Meech Ed had a weakness to the electric fence that keeps bears away was out of service and one night, a visitor showed up looking for takeout in the the media's hanging on rafters right inside just back window, how how much meat should I be imagining. Okay. Well, hind quarter moves his going weigh about one hundred twenty five pounds. Ian picture a cartoon character snatching uphill off a window. Sill looks around make sure no one else's watching reaches his big bear claws in takes out one hundred twenty five pounds of most meat, and tears it apart. Jeez. I cleaned all meet up onto the meat shit. Put it in the freezer, and you know, figure I'm good. But he's probably not good. Is he hold onto your socks in a couple of days later. Gary gets a human visitor, the son of an old friend. Is Miller, and I'm a pilot and hunting and fishing guide. Hey, Luke, Luke flies a little altar light plane in Alaska goes, like seventy five miles per hour, fabric exterior. Like, the classic one. You see in the the wilderness movies. Yeah. Exactly. And on one September day Luke's little plane hit a wall of wind. So he made an unscheduled stop at Gary's too hard to go where I was going to go. So I stopped to carry any seven dinner. It was it was perfect. It was like everything go. Golden that's how the visit started. So Luke tied down his plan for the night over by the the meat chat. And then he goes to Ben. Ian. How are your socks? They're okay. They're still on my feet early. The next morning. It's still dark out. The sun is an up and one of my guys came over and said, Gary you better come look at this plane. Oh, now, my headlamp. And I went out and started looking at it looks plain. And I like I got to tell Lucas I feel like my my socks are starting to come off my body a little bit loose around the toes. They're wiggling off to Gary wakes up Luke to tell him his airplane has a problem looks as well can't fix it and get going, and it's it. Slowly, I said, no, I don't think you're gonna fix it. Get going. I guess you. Go look at it. The tires or slash to a razor blade cut like six inches long raider by cuts detail was messed up as if some large lumbering creature had sat on it. Oh my gosh. The fuselage was treaded rector sheds. But but fabric, literally ripped off the Demi imagine your car, you know, one minute you gotta door and you have heat metal on minute. You have you're looking at the frame of it. The bare had come back. Oh, no. The whole thing was like severe discussed only. Yes. The fact that there was nothing there for him to eat he'd been foiled. And and this is this is my revenge. Well, I can't say I haven't felt that way about not having food when I wanted. This is like extreme hanger. Absolutely. I don't know if I'd slash up airplane, but put me in the right place at the right time. I might just might just do it. I wanna show you a picture. So you can fully comprehend the devastation. Okay. We'll put it on our Instagram to search for e LT show. Oh my God. That is crazy. It looks like it just got hit with the train right through the middle. Poor luke. I'm sorry. Luke. This is the last thing that pilot. Everyone's here the airplanes damage to the point where you can't fly on top of that this is the plane. Luke learn to fine when he was fourteen years old. He had bought it off his dad, and it was his livelihood reform experience. All well. He had to fix it somehow. Yeah. The plan going with a couple of hours on the phone in order bunch of stuff duct tape being right up there on the list Luke's plan required. Eighteen rolls of duct tape. I I have to know how he did this. I think we should just send you the after picture. Okay. Oh, wow. Oh, so he just wrapped the whole plane up that is insane. And he flew he flew like that. He did. He went through all the hoops and got a permit to fly back to Anchorage where he'd be able to get it fixed. And then he made the five and a half hour journey in duct taped burrito. Her doctor on the way to make sure everything hold together. And it was fine. I stopped in pilot point I and there's a bunch of terrorists out there in pitchers. Just kind of like, I was saying, I guess. Gary have you ever seen duct tape? Do anything like that before not not all not even close? That's fifty fly in Alaska. So new respect for duct tape. Yeah. Function. Well. Reason why your reporting because the works. Well, what about for the bear? How did end for the bear? You know? He got open up noxious. What do you think? Do you have another pair socks? I guess a real question. I have is Diddy eventually fix it. Or did he just leave it as a hallmark of his success? Now, he brought it back to Anchorage. He gave it an extreme makeover. And in fact, when we caught up with Luke he had just landed that very same plane moments before we talked to him those incredible. In a plane was kind of ready for a rebuilding. So the made the decision that I needed to rebuild it. It always meant to be. I guess in some way, I feel like he could be a combination between Bruce Willis macgyver. Luke could. Yeah. But I think I would lean more toward macgyver. He I think you're right. I mean duct tape is kind of the bread and butter of macgyver NG, absolutely. -tective doesn't work in every high stakes situation. I wasn't. Guy right there in the bowl after the break listeners share their macgyver stories. Don't. This of every little thing is brought to you by squarespace swear space is an all in one solution for anyone looking to make a beautiful website. And one thing they're famous for is their customer support. Hey, that's kind of like my favorite podcasts every little thing. 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He lived for like seven or eight more years. This is the one instance where a plastic straw has been good for Kwok life. Yeah. No. It's crazy. How did you even come up with the straw? I don't know. I guess I had experience like shooting spit logic laurels sixth grade classrooms. Maybe and that's what bit you've been honing your skills for years for years without even knowing carry a straw. Now. Are don't don't always carry a straw? But maybe I should get one of those new medal, and that will always be prepared. Yeah. You might need to save a life. Hey, Stacy I hear you have a summer vacation macgyver story. Yeah. We rent the lake of the Ozarks and Missouri, and this resort had a beach. So we went down, and there were people barbecuing, and there were kids playing volleyball. My mom bribed me five dollars to play because how is shy. How old were you at the time? So it was the summer before my freshman year of high school. Okay. I only hit shanked it went right into the lake. All these kids. Just looked at me. And they said you hit it you let it like. Okay. Okay. So far. This sounds like a nightmare. I'm no. I mean, I'm looking all these kids thinking was got to do it. Because you know, they're telling me I have to get the ball. And I'm watching it drifts farther and farther. So we found this piece of styrofoam. It was only big enough for me to sit on my knees. Just a random piece of styrofoam. Yeah. It was like trash like someone just left a piece of styrofoam on the beach. So I'm on styrofoam paddling paddling. It's going further away. I finally get to it. What are you paddling with a stick? So we're like a piece of tree branch this has to be very slow moving. Yeah. If felt like it took me thirty minutes to get there. Although I'm sure it doesn't. But I got the ball. I think I've tucked it right on my knees and paddling back, and it's taking forever. And while the kids are laughing at me, I'm gonna filing that way. My swim swimsuit. My older brother was there. So there was one person. I you and that has soon as it got close enough to the doc. I tossed the ball to my brother and right at that instant the whole dock collapsed, and it was like slow motion. I'm doc went down the case screaming the water where parents are freaking out pulling kids out of the water, and that styrofoam saves me because then I just paddled ashore. And I was only one dry. So that's my macgyver story. Do you think that it was the way to the volleyball that was the straw that broke the dock the birth docs back? I've never thought about it that way, but had to have been dot collapsed as soon as my brother caught it. Hello. Ashley I hear. You have a high stakes rescue story for us. How do I was driving on one of the bigger road? I live in south Florida. So everything's kind of a big wrote down here and a little Chihuahua came bolting across the four lanes of traffic. I only hit him with my car things. I was able to stop in time. But I jumped out of the car you abandoned, your vehicle. Well, I pulled over till the end of the road. But essentially, okay and chase them around for about forty five minutes before he cornered himself behind a dumpster. He's running from you. Oh, yeah. As fast as he can go. Yeah. I don't know if you've ever experienced Chihuahua before. But they're basically a ball of executive and fear. So why were you chasing this ball of anxiety and fear? What what did you have to get out of this? You know, I've been like this since I was a kid, I rescued ducklings. And I've always bring home like stray cats and something EMMY was just like I have to save it. So I keep trying to catch him. But he's got really sharp teeth. And it keeps trying to nip at me. I feel like we're getting to the macgyver moment. What did you do? So I looked down at my shoe and notice that may laces are long enough to where I can take them out of the shoe completely and turn them into like one of those sip leashes, let me just get the street. You're by stinky, disgusting dumpster, and you think to yourself let me take my shoe off. Yep. I was veterinary technician for a couple years, and we used to use these Slipknot leashes. So I just kind of visualize that was my shoelace. And created it you lassoed him with your shoelace. Absolutely. I laugh at him. And as soon as I put it on him. He wasn't aggressive anymore and he walked into the car. Did you adopt them? Yes. His name is Rocco. She lives with my dad and another little twelve named Pucko. Oh, my God pock. Oh, and Rocco. All right. Ashley, send Rocco regards. Sure, I'll give them a couple of treats for you. Hello. This is David. Hey, david. I hear you have a camping macgyver story for us. That is correct. So my high school friends, and I have been going on this annual camping trip in northern California for over ten years at this point and one of the traditions of our camping trip is blasting one of four point one the hawk classic rock twenty four hours a day. Nothing but classic rock from one four point one, the heart. That sounds really restful. And like, you're really enjoying nature on these camping trips. Oh, yeah. That's exactly what it is. We like to you know, enjoy nature turned up to ten. I'm sure your neighbors at the campground feel the exact same way. Well, that's part of. Yes. Or traditional spa is intentionally. You have to hike in a mile and you're nowhere near anybody for for that. And several other reasons that I won't get into. I'm intrigued fine in a few years back. We can go to our normal camping spot. So we had to figure out a new place to go to and the radio reception doesn't come through. So we have to figure out a way like how are we going to get the hawk to rock out. And so we use some aluminum foil and wraps it around the antenna of the radio in kind of coiled it up about a twenty five foot rope of aluminum foil twenty five twenty five feet long. Yep. Put a a rock in the end of it to kind of wait it and then chucked it up. In a tree creating this mega antenna and the hawk came came right on in. And we rocked out all weekend long. Who is this a sober? Macgyver. Ring. This was a collaborative creative environment. I'll answer it that way. Okay. So what is so special about the hawk that you would build a twenty five foot antenna to make sure that you could rock out to it twenty four seven. Well, let me put it this way. One summer, they spent twenty four hours only playing Leonard Skinner d- what other radio station, do you know that's going to do that. None know exactly when you turned on that radio and it came through. What was that moment? Like, it was both glorious and disappointing. The glory was that we got it. The disappointing part was it was a YouTube song. It's one that's like. No, no offense to any of your listeners or Bano, but I'm not the hugest YouTube fan might be one in the same. David. That's true. Sorry. Nirvana. Yeah. Hey bano. I love the work. You've done not just not a huge fan of the music. Thanks, david. You're so welcome. It's a beautiful day. It sure is. Yeah. If you have a burning question that you cannot find the answer to call the help line eight three three ring Yale yield that's eight three three ring guilty. Thanks to all our macgyver callers. Every little thing is produced by Aaron race Phoebe Flanagan a net, heist and flora Lichtman with help from Nicole Pacifica, and Doug, Barron are consulting editors Caitlyn Kenny and hor, hey, just mixed by DARA Hirsch, scored by Darah Hirsch, Bobby lowered and Haley Shaw. Bano if you're listening, call me one man, come in the name of love. Goodbye. 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Top 50 Prospects Show! Featuring A LOT of People...

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Top 50 Prospects Show! Featuring A LOT of People...

"Welcome. To painting corners, your weekly Bod, gas or all things baseball. Now, here are your host Austin Hartsfield and Dave quit. Caskey. Art. So basically what we're doing. Here is we're having our own little top prospect show, kind of counting down MLB dot com prospect, watch, and we're trying to get you to know the stars of tomorrow today that will you can be ready when they come up and everything looks good. We're gonna start out with number fifty day telephone number fifty s and who's helping us out with the information number fifty on our list is too key. Tucson a right handed pitcher from the Atlanta Braves probably the best curb ball in his class, his rookie class his, you know, age group class that I can see it's an old school. Barry Zito twelve twelve to six curve job in, in about seventy five eighty miles an hour really throws everybody off because he has a decent fastballs. Well, our buddy, Chris Willis from talking shop is gonna tell you more about him now too key to psalms. Another Braise pitcher that made his debut in two thousand eighteen and a little bit of a surprise because he, he come came out of nowhere. I don't think a lot of people's expectancy him in Atlanta. Last season. But you know there was pitching in postseason. Even he really turned it on the second half of started put it out together. There's never been a question about stuff. Fastballs plus, plus pitch. The curb Basel this world change up continues to get better. The question's always been is whether the command was there to, you know, really put it all together. And we saw that last year in the second half, you know, is no major league numbers were skewed a little bit for one, because one bad outing was such a small sample. But that's a guy that I think will go to spring training in Latin marks Arocca. He's gonna be in competition for one of those that final spot on in the brace rotation and he may end up starting ear in AAA. But we're going to see a lot of took to sant- in two thousand nineteen in, you know, he'll have a Heacon he's in the point where he can have a huge impact on team going forward. Next on our list. We have a pair of Padres prospects say that three times fast Diego Solarz from east village times news is here to tell us more about Louis Patino and Adrian more hone Cuban native more hone seinfield pogs franchise record eleven million dollars a day use officially declared an international. Free agent is standard about six feet tall weighs somewhere in that one hundred seventy five to one hundred eighty pound range, a three pitch arsenal with fastball Corban that he actually throws to change his fastball. Typically sit somewhere in the mid nineties, but I have seen him reach ninety seven ninety eight and there's potential for that to be an electric pitch at some point further on in his development is to change. There's a knuckle change of in a standard circle changeup. Both of them are above average pitches according to scouts. And I, I agree with that as well. He changes his speeds really well with his fastball changing velocity, which is really good for keeping guys off balance. And as far as curve ball goes when he first signed with the Padres, and even two years ago when we saw him make his professional debut at the minor league level. It really wasn't a very good pitch. He has developed a now. Now he throws it from typically the same arm saw that he does with his fastball. So it's not as predictable if he can control that pitch better. You have the making a four plus pitches. For a guy who is real, highly tout a really highly touted prospect within the Padres organization. Babe you him as a potential as for them. I agree. I think his absolute worst when he reaches the big leagues. He'll be a mid to end back up mid tobacco starter. But if he reaches its full potential, you're looking at a guy who paid with a numerous amounts of talented prospects in this Padre system could be an as the base concern for me has been his his injury problems suffered an injury last year and two years ago. But if you're more homes, healthy, he's a really talented player in his is really exciting for all Padres fans, coming in at number forty eight MLB dot com, top one hundred prospects this Padres, right handed pitcher, Louise Patino assignment of Columbia in two thousand sixteen by the Padres patina was kind of a more underrated name in the Padre system. A prior to this upcoming season, in the sense that nobody really knew about him until he broke out in two thousand eighteen in his first full season of professional action. He had a two point one six year eight. Ninety eight strikeouts. Twenty four walks only gave up one home run in seventeen game started with Fort Wayne, absolutely incredible. I wanna look at him from pitching standpoint, you have a guy who really like delivery, really funky kinda like McKenzie gore but he repeats it consistently. He's a really good athlete for pitcher. He's crazy quick, crazy athletic and that speaks to his livery how easily he repeats. It fast falls electric talking to win a guy since ninety six ninety eight has touched a hundred before and certainly has potential to sit up there in the high nineties, once he develops fills out his framework, said that about six foot one hundred ninety policies really good for a pitcher of that size. His off speed pitches. His curve balls really good, his slider best of auspey pitch its power slider that's going to be his out pitch going forward. And while I was change up. Really? Isn't that elite just if he can figure out how to change speeds? Well, he's going to be really good with how fast as fast as and that power slider for me. Louis patino. A lot of scouts has say that he could be possibly the best pitcher out of the bunch of all of these Padres prospects. And I don't necessarily agree with that. What his upside is definitely a frontline starter. Probably going to end up being back and guy in the rotation. And even if you flails out as starter with his pure fastball, and his pure slider that fastball Sutter be devastating coming in out of the back the bullpen, but he definitely is really bright future ahead of administrative. It should be really exciting to see how he developed as a prospect overall nets up on our list is Nick Mandel. He's a second base prospect for the Chicago White Sox. This kid has crazy contact was a nice, great of a sixty five. He's got one of the best is in the league already. And he's not even narrow yet striking out only five times in over one hundred plate appearances before seeing that he went onto Oregon state's helping win it college World Series. So, you know, he's clutch our good friend. What's octave is going to help us out until you little bit more. And I'm gonna start with Nick made magical who is a second base slash shortstop prospect, at number five absurd hit tool. He can. He struck out. I think it was five times, like two hundred at bats or so two hundred plate appearances last summer in his pro debut, cadre series champion just hits hits hits. Very pesky out not a lot of power. But if does happen today, you'd be apprentice all-star really looking forward to him. It's up to his hit tool in his power element if you will move mancado over two third, I think, but I'll really interesting guy super high floor. We will see on the ceiling number forty six hundred list. We have Bryan Hayes, the son of Charlie Hayes. And from what we've heard probably future, gold Glover. Here's Alex dump from bucks, dugout here to tell you more about that. Could Brian Hayes is one of the best position player prospects that's come through the pirates farm system. Over the last couple of years, probably the best hits Palumbo arguably since mortar, because definitely the best globe since Martin. I mean, this is a guy who's won two minor league Gold Gloves already. And that's. Just for the level that he's playing. That's all third baseman in general. There's some concerns with the bat. He's probably never going to have a ton of pop. But this is a guy that if he gets to the major leagues could be legitimate. Gold glove, winning third baseman runs. The basis enough gets on base. Well enough in the minor leagues so far. It's just the power that seems to be really holding them back right now. I think that could be secondary. If the defense is good enough, and number forty five Sean Murphy of the Oakland as one of the better catching prospects in all of baseball was drafted. Mostly on his defense as he has an absolute Ken for an armed takes a lot of pride and blocking some balls behind the play, but assigned to develop into a power, hitting catcher, which is what most of the catchers are in the MLB today, Sean has a few years to go coming up. But our good friend, Bill from as farm is going to tell you all about him. Sean Murphy was the as earn round pick back in the twenty sixteen draft the twenty four year old catcher has always been known for his strong defense and in particular Murphy has an for an arm. He can really rifle the ball down the second and opposing runners are often really reluctant to run off him because of it now a Murphy had a ham bone injury. Last season. I ended up having Hammett bone surgery that cost him about a month and a half worth of playing time last year. But by that he was able to make tremendous offense of strides of late for double a Midland Murphy ended up with slugging percentage of almost five hundred last season. And when you pair that kind of offense of potential with his strong defense it really makes for a pretty impressive accurate behind play. Now, the as were fairly reluctant to spend much money on their catching situation this offseason because they know the Murphy is on the way the head into the season with Nick Hundley, Chris Ferman, and Josh Begley, as their top lying. Catchers, Murphy got into just re games at AAA late last season. And the original expectation was that he might be ready to be the as a starting catcher in the twenty twenty season. But now it looks like the as are hoping that after half a season at triple A this year. That Murphy might be ready to. Take over as the starting catcher in the second half of this season. One thing's for certain whenever Murphy takes over behind the plate for the as of the team is definitely going to have a potential all-star Dr behind the plate were year on number forty four on our list is your Alvarez, Cody pov- from climbing tells he'll, and Astra stats on Twitter is going to help us out with this. And see if we can kind of find a position to put this power hitting outfielder with stack that stacked Astra's lineup. The Astros are quite high Alvarez due to mainly his, he oppressive power numbers with the Corpus Christi hooks last season. He'll probably start the season either with corpus or the AAA affiliate the railroad express. He has a love it sensual, and that's real seem to like him. He's also been kind of a little bit of trae target and various. Rumors. We've heard, but nothing has materialized on that front, obviously yet, but he has the potential to change a lineup based on his Beth the question and the big question. Alvarez's worse. He's xactly. Is he going to play? He's played some left field in the monitor's. I've heard he's probably a potential D H down the line even his the fisa playoff, first basis and really been what you call all inspiring. I try the term if he has a long term position the field if not, then we may see him, come up more as the age with occasional starts at first base. But at this point ashes are still at the betting on his bats a really come along, if he can swing a valuable and they put him as a D age. I think the ashes will be fine with that. But of course, things will change and is going to be imperative that the Astros final exactly where his long term position or like there will be going for number forty three hour is a guy that's been moved around a lot in his career. It's Justice Sheffield. Now shout, Seattle Mariners coming from the New York Yankees originally coming from the Cleveland Indians. This kid is a power, arm lefty raises Lhasa all the way up to at times. Ninety seven. Seven with a very nice slider. His problem, though is working on control and he's going to take a while to develop he's not the biggest guy in the world. Just went in at six feet. Two hundred but can really develop with this stuff Josh from soda. Mojo is gonna fill you in on the rest about him. Baseball savant dot MLB dot com. Rates Justice Sheffield's change of as his weakest pitch, while his slider and fastball are tied. A Cording to his twenty eighteen zone chart his biggest home plate weakness, appears to be middle left corner catchers view as that area saw his highest batting average, against as well as his highest exit velocity against Justice Sheffield does need to work on painting those corners. Now MLB pipeline has him as the fifth best southpaw as well as the third best overall prospect since two thousand nineteen is going to be a rebuild year for the Mariners Justice may be called up fairly soon to the majors. Multiple sources label him as a potential three whole starter since Marco Gonzales will likely be the new Mariners ace Justice Sheffield lands where he lands in this year's rotation. Highly depends on newest finorm. You say Kukuchi and whether or not manager, Scott service wants to give Felix Hernandez. Another try, maybe as the second hole star. You're going to hear from Bill. A couple times more in this countdown, Bill from as farm is gonna tell us more about the power left-handed pitcher AJ puck in his future after coming off the Tommy, John surgery this year. Bill goes into a pretty good death about this kid. And this is guy that I really enjoyed watching while these healthy. So areas, left hander AJ pock was the eighth top pick in the twenty sixteen draft and baseball America currently ranks him as the number two left handed pitching prospect in the game behind, hey, Zeus Lazardo now. Unfortunately, the twenty three year old had to have Tommy, John surgery last spring, which set back his development quite a bit. But before puck was sidelined is fastball was clocked as high as ninety nine miles an hour, and he pairs that with an excellent flight, or on, now I just spoke to puck at the end of January, and he told me that ever since he had the Tommy, John surgery. He's been working out five days a week at the as training complex in Arizona. Zona and of the time he said he was really looking forward to throwing off the mound for the first time in Arizona, this February that's the first time he was going to get back on the mound since the surgery since then he has thrown in Arizona, and it's most likely that he'll just be throwing bullpen sessions this spring. He will probably be back in competitive games, most likely told this summer probably sometime in June went once the zone league get started as win puck will get back into competitive action. And if all goes, well and he's healthy. There's no setbacks that after getting a little time in Arizona. The as are most likely to assign him stock than in the California league, which is just down the road from Oakland and it gives the as training staff at the keep a close eye on puck as he's making his way back and make sure he's healthy. If everything goes, well there in Stockton, then they can decide where to assign them for the rest of the season. But likely he's not going to be back in. Competitive action until until June. I know there's a lot of as fans were hoping to see puck in the major leagues this year. But the as are not eager to rush their prized prospect back into action. They really wanna make sure he's health healthy I last pitched in twenty seventeen when he split the season between highway Stockton in double a Midland, and he was he was an absolute strikeout machine. Buck averaged over thirteen strikeouts crew nine innings in the twenty seventeen season before going down with the injury last fear. The puck housing appeared in triple A yet. So it's most likely that he'll be making his major league debut sometime during the twenty twenty season. And once he does the as the as could end up to twenty twenty season with three talented lefties atop their rotation in Sean mnay, Hayes, UIs Lazardo, and AJ, and number forty one chord. Kristen is going to tell us about the future of the Cleveland Indians rotation. Post the super trio of pitchers even four pitchers. I mean, if you wanna throw Bieber in there, too, as young as he is, we could even say five but tryst MacKenzie is the future for the Cleveland Indians is their prized prospect in court. Kristen again, will tell us more from Indians baseball insider MacKenzie is every bit. He's listed six five. I might put him at six eight is a tall do. And you guys watched Chris sale, you know what happens when tall dudes take the mound with his stature it's hard to see the ball. It's hard to hit the ball. If our to catch the ball, you know, coming off of his hands and you're standing in the batter's box. You know, your gets a little mixed up trista MacKenzie has a good fastball. Good curveball a nice change up. He has good control on all of his pitches. He most batters down with strikeouts. I believe it was twenty seventeen he's he was the minor league leader in strikeouts. And then he'd had some injury issues last year. But. He's been nothing. But great in the Indian system in one of the top, right handed pitching prospects in all of baseball. I mean he throws a tight tight pitch. And when you have a guy that's that tall in has that amount of reach it. He just throws a such a small window. It's hard to hit no matter what he, he was in AA last year. I don't know. I think he would start in AA again just because he missed part of last season. He only started sixteen games last year, I would expect him if everything works out, correctly, he'll start about ten to fifteen in Akron in AA move up to AAA. He's only twenty one so they take some time with them. In the TA says this year. So I'm curious to see if they if that's what it will be pipeline says, at least if they stick to that kind of ETA, or if it's actually twenty twenty but man he just you know he doesn't throw fire at you throws low nineties, but man his command is just up there. He knows where to put the ball and he knows how to put it wearing needs to another exciting player from the top fifty list is coming at number forty Lewis, Robert, an outfielder the shock Chicago, White Sox, the White Sox, their prospects. They love Cuban prospects, one of the best given prospects since Yoan Moncada, who was also on that team. An eighteen year old in when he was eighteen in Cuba. He hit four hundred. He's twenty one years old, now, a big body on them six three only one hundred eighty five pounds. He's definitely going to fill out a little bit. He has great arm. He can hit for power. Very overall solid baseball player White Sox Dave's gonna tell you more about it now. Next one is Louis Rover. This dude is a freak of nature physically have said this before if he were playing fewer American he'd be playing wide receiver like Alabama or something. Crazy power crazy speed sideline to sideline so to speak. Speed from the center field position. Very good, arm will tap into his power. He's free of nature. Like I said, and once he stays healthy for a full season is going to be off to the races for him coming in at number thirty five on our prospects list is, hey, Zeus Sanchez from Tampa Bay. He is a power hitting outfielder who is above average defense and has a canon for an arm. Does that sound like somebody from Tampa Bay? You betcha because that's what they go for this guy. Looks like a middle of a lineup type of player. He's done nothing, but hit since he was signed, that a Dominican Republic, something Tampa loves to do Stein, those international slot money guys, and he is cruising, along through AA right now, our Buddy Ryan, styles from raise colored glass, is going to tell you more about him. Hey zoo Sanchez the twenty one year old from the Dominican Republic, he's a left handed hitter throws right handed in the outfield that right field, he's going to be something special to wash because his average. Has dipped to two eighty two that's his lowest batting average. And for right rightfielder. That's incredible. He's had. He's had thirty seven career home runs. Not too much power since he's been playing since twenty fifth team in the minor leagues, but he has made to produce two hundred and forty-one RBI's, which has been critical for him in the second to lead off spot somewhere in there in all of these Marley lineups. So Stephen to be able to create eight that many runs speaks a lot to his situational hitting and also the race ability in the Marlies to get on base for him. He is just someone to watch going forward in that crowded outfield, though, a, Tommy fan, Kevin cure Meyer, and Austin meadows is going to be hard to kind of find a slot for him to play in the next few years. So maybe he'll end up on the trade bloc and be an asset. The race can use to get someone more for a playoff push. Next up on our list is awesome. Riley, third base prospect for the Atlanta Braves authorized in a very good position because he's waiting under the age was Josh Lawson who at any time could be cut and or move. It's good gut to look up to Austin Riley. A plus third base defender, who is upside, mostly defensively, but he has some Papas Weldon. I sixty power grade, they're really hoping he can turn into a John styles type playing very good defense. But having that pop when he was in his prime like light Josh did to tell you more about that as Chris Willis, depending on where you look often Riley's either the number one number two prospect, lift the Braves farm system. He's come a long way since being drafted in two thousand fifteen he showed an uncanny ability to make adjustments at the plate. He's gotten butter as he's Vance through the minor league system. He's worked really hard on his body. You know there was some concerns defensively early on. But he's turned himself into an average above average defensive third baseman. There's still some swing and miss concerns there. But you're talking about a guy with real power potential that could translate to the major leagues. You know, I, I really think we would have him in two thousand eighteen if he hadn't had that knee injury that sad line for about a month. But, you know, we see him definitely in two thousand nineteen even with Josh Donaldson already on his Braves roster. Next are less is a future gold glove outfielder Christian pass shea and I'll feel prospect for the Atlanta Braves. This guy is a Liri on oh, and Bradley jR in the making with ridiculous running arm and fielding great at seventy plus this guy's everything to be in one of the best defensive outfielders in the MLB when he gets up there. Hopefully he can put the hitting together. The Braves aren't going to be looking for much pop out of him, but he can get on base, and get a high OB p he'll make it a long way. Chris wills is going to pick up on more about him on a prospect that he's really into there's a lot of debate among race fans about who is the best outfield prospect in the organization, the drew waters or Christian Pasch a Pash as one that's gotten a lot of the buzz are early is a drew waters is just kind of coming on the scene. But, you know, I think it's important Pasha doesn't get lost in the shuffle either you talking about a guy probably major league ready to play defense right now. There's still some questions with the bat. He flashed a little bit of that power potential last year. But, you know that's still the s still the area. He needs to improve on the most started year, high hit will there moved up to AA. I figured that's where he starts back. But this is another guy, you know, really sided seeing spring training you know, we could be talking about him waters, both around twenty twenty you know as as possibly moving into, you know, in the Atlanta's out filled at some point. But the defense is out of the world out of this world in. It is a physical specimen. He, he is really impressive. The speed is legit needs to improve is a decision making on the base pass. He's not he's not even with all that speed. He's not he's not the real stolen base threat a struggled a little bit there, actually, but plays a shallow center field, and it's just really a really smooth out there. I mean, the name Andrew Jones, always comes up when people talk about Pasha in his defense. And I mean that's some that's some great company to begin. Stop of the Los Angeles Dodgers is lease Alan Yamashita from dodger. Blue is going to tell us more about the absolute stud behind the plate. That is Ruiz. So it releases the consensus number one prospect on the dodgers. He's top thirty in pretty much every prospect ranking site baseball America twentieth, perspectives thirty first ESPN twenty-seven thing, graphs fifteenth. I mean it goes on and on. And that's just based on his advanced skills, and performance at such a young age. It was his age nineteen and twenty season in two thousand eighteen and he spent the entire year at AA and his results both offensively and defensively were great. He's relatively Annesley, which is probably going to be as one downside, both offensively and defensively. But overall defense. He's a great receiver. So he's probably going to be fantastic framer. Whenever those metrics come out when he makes it up there, his arm accuracy is fantastic and overall defensively. He's got pretty much the entire package. And offensively he has fantastic back control. So he struck out just eight percent of the time against pitchers that are significantly older than him and more advanced so the real way that he can improve their is eventually being more selective waiting for a pitch that he can really drive for power as opposed to making contact with everything as of right now. He's mainly a gap power kind of hitter so high average low overall power, and it just depends on the type of batter him in the organization want him to eventually, we talk about these prospects. Like, you know, we wait for guys to come up. We hear them once they become to a certain level. We hear their names all the time in trade packages, Alex Rodrigo is the biggest highlight of that, because you see a guy whether it's, you know, being rumored in a you Darvish trade that wound up being willy cow, who. Soon, whether it's being rumored in all these Indians pitchers trades out for Dugo has been nothing but great for this dodge organization, and the dodger organization to this point has been very loyal, and they're now being rewarded so Allen, he is going to tell you more about this study outfielder that L A has found themselves with Alex goes the number two consensus prospect in the dodgers organization like Ruis, he's a top forty overall prospect by pretty much every site. He's thirty fifth and baseball America, nineteenth and baseball prospectus. Thirty seventh ESPN on seventeen and fan graphs. The idea behind that is his supposed- makeup and off the field concerns. We don't know enough about that to say much, but I'm assuming the other rankings. Just go off of skill tools performance in regards to all of those Verduga has done everything. He can and needs to do to make it to the majors. He's twenty two. He's spent last year in AAA he hit three thirty struck out only twelve percent of the time walked nine percent. He's a very advanced hitter. He has a huge arm that fits well in right field, which is probably his ultimate position. The concern there is that he might not have very much power. So we'll see where that goes. He probably has the ability to unlock more power. He just hasn't as of right now, which is fair, he is young and his main. Skill is his contact. So from there, they'll figure out what to do with him. He just might not have a huge opportunity on, on the actual MLB roster this year with Bellinger and Peterson also being left handed outfielders. So we'll see how that shakes out. This is one of those clips man that I wish I would have put up before the season started James clerk from east village times tells us about the domination. That is Chris paddick. He tried to tell us how good he was going to be how legendary that this fastball. And this change up in the combination, and the pitch selection was going to be a now, we reward it now on painting corners, now, we have paddock days. So let's see what somebody who knows Chris paddock better than just about. Anybody has to say about it? First off his changeup is, is already major league quality. It would already be all I've heard of legendary. Yeah, it would it would probably be a top five top ten change up in all of baseball right now at this point, just in his changeable alone. His velocity has has increased slowly after the injury. He's up to mid nineties now in we all know that if you can spot a fastball. And now, I'm that with the change, you're, you're pretty much unhittable. And then you look at his innings pitched last season, he had ninety eight pitch last season, and he walked eight batters that's eight baddies and he struck out one hundred twenty in that time. So his numbers are Bugs Bunny. Like there's a lot to like with him. There's a lot of. Spoke to him briefly haven't really had the opportunity to really talk to him. Like a like I wish I missed him in lake Elsinore couple times of the head an opportunity to sit down with him. But from what I've gathered in what I've heard he's got that, that it factor that, that Neil is factor that we talked about the fact that he wants to be better than his, his counterparts. He wants to be the best ever he has that type of mentality. And that's what you want to see from the young pitcher. He's ace type of pitcher he he's an that's it's hard to fill that label out there. But he has a type of ability Benjamin. Hochman is going to talk to us about Alex Rae. Alex raises, another one of those guys, you know, that we talked about, you have to be patient with when it comes to development. You know, caught in limbo between whether he's going to be a starter or not. But like I said, Benjamin Hochman Saint Louis post dispatch here we go. It's funny because when we had our pre podcast meeting, and you're saying, you want me to list five starters, and then three key relievers. I the first thing that can my mind is like. Where or how do I talk about Alex Reyaz because right now he's, he's not slated to be one of the, the five starters. We'll see what happens and he's not slated to be closer, anything like that. They're gonna have to see what he can do. And we will all watch together the scouts, the executives teammates, and the media to see what else can do during spring. But the optimists says, I assume that a lot about the cardinals. A lot of things after go right? But if optimism is cheese, this could be a pretty good team. Because we're talking about a guy outs race that used to be the number one pitching prospect in all baseball. He's still young. And of course, they're really high on him. So who knows? They expect him to pitch many, many innings for Saint Louis this year, probably as a starting pitcher. But I don't know if that means he's in the, the blatant March rotation. A lot will have to be determined. Been hearing a lot of this was lately. This is Chris wills of talking shop to talk to us more about another, another one of these Braves, arm this one being, Ian Anderson. So here's Chris wills, to tell you everything unique about this, this pitcher, bright out, a number of highly touted arms reached Maija league level in two thousand eighteen, and I think he and Anderson could be one of those guys that moves fast in two thousand nineteen Anderson starting to move up a lot of prospect, lists around the run the internet and he had. He's coming off a great two thousand eighteen guests that in there with mid mid nineties fastball. A great curveball and a changeup continues to get better. You know he seems like he gets lost in the shuffle. A little bit with some of these other big name, guys like Mark sarokin Colorado, but I think Anderson is going to be one of these one of them that moves really fast and it's gonna turn a lot of heads if he can put together another healthy and productive season might not. Team in two thousand nineteen just because the Braves have a ton of pigeon death. But I you know, I think he certainly in the mix come twenty twenty and you know, really excited to see what he can do this season, coming up next is one of the most interesting pitching prospects and all major league baseball hunter green of Cincinnati Reds, one of the only guys in the league that has a legit eighty fastball grade. He can get the ball up to a shocking hundred two miles an hour on a consistent basis. Something that Chapman in Ray of have only been the one to master. His big problem is injuries, and developing that second pitch coming off Tommy, John surgery to be a slow rehab type player. But our good buddy croissant is gonna be able to take you through his development, and see if he can make it in the show, screens fastballs around eighty in terms of twenty to eighty scale his sliders at a fifty five change up fifty control, fifty five overall of sixty this is a guy who's draft at number two overall by the reds and twenty seventeen got a seven point two three million dollar contract because of. That and while he does have a blazing fastball, which is ninety seven to one hundred and one miles per hour. The delivery has a tendency to get a little bit unorthodox hit the fastballs a low bit two straight and he got hit pretty hard in the minor leagues. I mean in single A, he had a four point four, eight RA and a one point zero was in the sevens before he loaded down. And then he eventually was out with the UCLA sprain. He should be good ago. But he's got to work on his secondary stuff. If he wants to continue on being a starting pitcher. I remember he's still young. We are sitting at number thirty on the list believe when we're talking about cow. Right. I mean, this is another one of those Atlanta arms that Christmas is going to happily educate you on. A good example of the brace pitch and debt in the minors is a I think is cowed, right. Because here's a guy that was drafted fifth in two thousand seventeen could have very well win as the number one pick, and he's kinda overlooked, I think a little bit because the Bryce have so many other pitching prospects took to sant- in marks Arocca in some Anderson, so, you know, I don't think right. Gets a whole lot of attention. And maybe that's a good thing for him. I'm not sure he struggled a little bit and AA last year. Turned it on late. Look, really good at a short stint AAA athletic. You'll start to see him back there, but he's the total package. He he's got the poise. He's got the experience after thrown at Vanderbilt good fastball. Good. Breaking ball changes still development. So, you know this is a guy thing will see a good bit of in two thousand nineteen whether that's a starter out of the bullpen. It's going to be really. Interesting to see how they use him. But I think once he's at the major league level than, you know, he's going to be there to stay, and he can make solid impact coming up next are two very interesting prospects for one of my favorite teams to watch for prospects. Tempa raise coming in next is Brendan McKay. Prenton McKay told everybody has pro day before getting drafted basically, he wants to be Otani two point. Oh the American version of him. He wants to be a legitimate two way player. And of course, the race a chance on them. Send him to a seven million dollar bonus. This kid has a solid fastball. A loves to throw junk, which is just up the raise alley, but he's a hitter, a great fifty five hit grade for power. And for contact he can be molded into multiple different things, primarily going to be used a D H, but could be a very serviceable Deitch and starting pitcher. Up next, one of the better prospects for Tampa raise again. Brent Honeywell right handed pitcher, take everything was grand Saul has been recovering from Tommy, John surgery. But this kid is legit. Another hard throwing right handed pitcher out of Tampa Bay. You've heard this before, but the interesting about him, ton of pitches, including a very very good screwball, which you haven't seen since Dyson, Matthew Tzakda. He's going to learn how to throw some junk, and he's going to be a very effective pitcher down there and Tampa Bay, a guy that could be a dominant starter. But also could move in and be a very interesting closer opener. Today's Moby, our guy, Ryan, styles can tell you more about both of those amazing prospects. Verana McKay is a twenty three year old that can do it from the plate and also from a mound, he's gonna play D H now just shut him down three days ago from playing in the field. So he was gonna play space and pitch. But now if he's gonna play at the plate he's going to do it from the spot kind of like Shohei Ohtani. Does he rarely plays in the field really? Sticks that detail in pitchers role on the mound. This guy something special at the plate. He's slept. Either. He's always hit around a round league. Average has a little bit of pop not too much. And he's, you know a really good player. Just slapping, singles, and stuff the other way, which is going to be something that's really good for you. If you can if you can do both and get hitting and pitching out of the way on the mound though, this is where he really is excitable. He has had a sub to ERA his entire career up until last year or he had a two point four one. He is awesome to wash through it from the hill will see when he gets up to the big leagues. I'd say it's going to be another year, maybe two but it shouldn't be much longer than that this kid's going to be something. Again, the batting average against last year in his quote, unquote worst season was below two hundred. Well, Brent Honeywell is a twenty three year old pitcher, who had Tommy, John surgery. Right before spring training games happened about a week after he reported to pitchers and catchers last year. He should be ready to go and twenty nineteen. I think that he'll be in the big leagues before Memorial Day. If everything goes right with his rehab, and he continues to progress throughout the spring. This guy is who every race vanishes, salivating for and just cannot. Wait to see he's kinda like, like the new Chris Archer in a sense of just the anticipation is just mounting on him. The highest era, he's ever had a three point four nine and that was in two thousand seventeen other than that he's been way, down sub three. Maybe you know, just sub three really good ERA, his highest batting average against has been to fifty five and that twenty seventeen season. It's incredible with the skies may will do throughout the minor league system. I think if he didn't have time John surgery last year, he would have been the big leagues in twenty eighteen and if he can come in this year and join that raise rotation. They might be the best in baseball coming up next. We're gonna continue the names of amazing baseball players in the state of Florida. We have Cisco Sanchez Miami mall. This kid. A very fringe player. But man, does he have a cannon throwing a seventy five grade fast ball a little bit injury trouble? But he's moving up through the ranks should be up in a couple years. Our good friend, Louis down there, Miami's gonna tell you more about him because he's excited as well seek so Sanchez was acquired in the JT Romeo trade from the Phillies. He's easily Miami's top prospect, and his best prospect, they've had since Fernandez and Christian yelich were in the Marlins farm system with seeks talking about a guy who hits upper nineties with run, and can hit a hundred miles per hour with his ear his changeup and breaking ball, are both pretty good and evaluators. Dig both can be above average. Two plus strikeout bitches as he gets more innings under his belt with a guy like this. You'd think the catch is his control but he's actually pretty advanced there, especially for a twenty year old there really isn't much relieve risk with seek still he will be starting pitcher. The concern with c- still and most likely the reason the Marlins. Were able to get him is whether he can stay healthier not at five eleven durability is not a given especially since Heathrow so hard. Some are skeptical. He can go two hundred innings in a year but his medicals checked out in the Marlins felt his profile was worth the gamble. He'll start the year in AA Jacksonville. And I think if he can have a full healthy season in twenty nineteen he'll be ready to compete for a spot in Miami's major league rotation in a year. One of the few players that we've talked about us far when we're talking about prospects that has actually come up already. We're at number twenty six we were talking about the San Diego, Padres, catcher Francisco may hit guy that I'm very high on that. You know is spectacular hitter. Switch hitting catcher, which is hard to find nowadays. And you know, this is the guy that's splitting time currently with Austin hedges. And if he could ever figure out how to call a baseball game. He could be this NGO catcher for the next ten years. So here's James Clark from east villa tons to let tell you more about this young catcher. Switch hitting catcher Francisco Mahia was acquired late last season by the Senegal Padres wreck before the trade deadline for the Cleveland Indians for Brad hint in pretty much surprising move throughout major league baseball, the Padres have a pretty adequate catching depth in their in their in their minor league system, and acquiring Francisco me, he was seem strange. He's a switch hitter. Smaller stature, only twenty three though. Tremendous, tremendous bat, tremendous bet potential. I think he's probably. Bickmore demar tina's type accomplish. It'd be a little little less on the on the power than Martinez. He's a little smaller than than Martinez was defensively. There's some concerns although he does have probably one of the best arms in all of the game behind the plate. There's some framing issues. There's also some pitch call issues that need to be worked out again. He's a smaller size target for pitchers, which is a little bit of a concern as well overall, there's a high ceiling with this young man again, only twenty three years of age switch hitter. There's a chance that he could move to the outfield if there's talks of that, that, that I don't know if that's necessarily going to happen. I would think that has value would go down as they everyday left fielder compared to that as a catcher. We'll have to see what the Padres do. His name has been rumored in a couple of deals here and there, so we'll have to see what the Padres do, but Francisco Mia Mahia is a definite of viable prospect of cynical Padres. What's going on painting corners listeners? It's Austin want to share your opinions give feedback or tell me what you're thinking. Simulates message voice, MRs are an easy way for you. To send me audio that might end up on the future podcasts. We are about to do a mailbag segment here pretty soon. Once we get back into the swing of things. They're the latest feature from anchor the plot cast platform a us to, to distract you and get this out everywhere and edit. It is just a blessing. You can send me a voice message right now, from wherever you're listening to tap, the Lincoln my show notes can't wait to hear from you. Coming up next year is Carter cure. Boom, a very interesting shortstop prospect for the Washington nationals. This kid is a hitter. He has great contact. But also some wonderful power to go with it betting journalist about three eighty right now in the minors, he stuff behind trae Turner. But with the I like this who can hit at every level that he's ever been at anti can play the field. They're gonna find a spot for him. Whether it's to his left or his right car, attributing should be coming up in the next year or two to tell you more about Carter, or good by Jesse. Dougherty is going to inform. You more he's being developed into a second baseman this off season. He played it in Arizona folly. He's probably gonna play in the minors. I think they're going to keep him at shortstop a good amount of time as well. I think just the skills you developed there. It's a little more of a diverse position when it comes to fielding, and he also has a pretty big history of playing third base in high school. So I think depending on what happened with Anthony are unknown obviously, than that's one. We'll work that out and we can talk about it. But I think he's kind of guy who could play any of those three spots in the future right now. It's looking like second. With the dosier one year deal, and he can get he can get shop there, especially with him likely coming up as call up. Maybe earlier if their injuries the season, but he's definitely being slaughtered, that second right now my favorite Braves prospect, and it's not even close. I'd be a little close. I do love me some Christian Pasha. But Mike saroka. I mean this guy, I think we can call him a prospect more with the amount of time that he has at this point. But this is my favorite pitcher in that entire system. It's my favorite pitcher outside of somebody in the top twenty that I'm definitely going to talk about. Definitely gonna gush about later makes can do it. All. I mean, if this guy can ever get the injury situation figured out, he's going to be an ace. And if a couple of these Braves pan out. I mean this could wind up being the nineties all over again. You mean the of young bats, you have young arms, and Mike stroke is going to be huge part of that. And Chris Willis from talking shop is going to let you know how that goes. You know, Mike's Roka's another guy, the we've seen as a prospect for last few years in the crowd. Thing is he wouldn't even still be prospect eligible, if not for the shoulder injury that limited despite starts in a major leagues in two thousand eighteen this guy, a lot of poise. He's one of my favorites. I saw him a good bit at Rome. But the command just what jumps out at. She's got a good fastball. A breaking ball, that's continuing to get better in change up as well. And he seemed to put all that together last year in this guy bike to compete for a the fifth spot in the Braves rotation. It's brain training, just comes down to whether that shoulders healthy or not. And I think that's a ding Tim, a little bit on some of these prospect lists. But again, it's important to remember, if he hadn't gotten hurt hit, he wouldn't even been prospect eligible, because he probably would have played a big part down the stretch in, you know, possibly even been a, you know, a starter in the postseason last year. So really excited about mocks Roka's prospects. The big question is, is if the shoulders. Right, those. Scary always. But if he's there, I think he's going to be a big part of this. Braves team in two thousand nineteen another guy that's a prospect, but technically not really prospect anymore. Louis race was finally called up to San Diego at the absolutely murdering the baseball on AAA with a seventy hip Bowers, been batting over three hundred struggled in his major league debut, only collecting a handful of hits was sent back down, but e probably won't be down for long. This guy's in absolute beasts when it comes to hitting and just needs to really work on his on his control at the plate. Our friends over Padres in the farm are gonna dive a little bit more into deeper in his belt a tune. Thanks guys. This is Donovan from fires on the farm. Lewis areas. MLB pipelines, number two, second basement and twenty third overall has a hit tool that some scouts sake and challenge for batting title. He has a leap plate discipline and pitch recognition. He had more walks than strikeouts in every level in the minors till he got to triple A putting him in lead us bar, or in the two hole in the lineup there isn't much power there. But with his ability to barrel up the baseball and calm. Compact wing. He could run into ten or more home runs and perhaps more as he fills out. He turns twenty two this June. He's an above average defender that spent significant time at short in AA and the Zona fall league and scouts loved him there. But he's going to be turned into the Fernando tease junior short while he holds down second pace the Padres hope for years to come, but the Padres thought so well of him at short, that he's going to probably be the opening day starter there, until tattoos comes up after about a month or seasoning in triple A overall. He's a bat first second base nettle hit forever JR. And have a high on base once he gets used to major league pitching mixed up the air to BUSTER Posey joy joy bar is phenomenal behind the plate in it. Wouldn't honestly surprise me if he sees major league time sometime within the next two years. I mean, this is a kid out of Georgia Tech, that's done everything possible to grow his draft stock before he was drafted. Second overall by the giants. And now he's getting to the point to where he's almost ready to fill BUSTER. Shoes. So now Daniel Spoerri from around the foghorn is going to tell you all you need to know about this future superstar Cathy was already calling games at Georgia Tech. So he doesn't have to learn that at the minor league level. He understands how to call games. It was interesting. I had a talk with another giant draft pick. I did a interview with him Astier kind of in the fall, and he actually played with Joey barred in the Cape Cod league. And I asked him, what's it like, you know, you throw to your guy, you throw to have thrown to for the last four years in end you throw a Joey bar you did it in Cape Cod. Like you did it in. You know, you've done it now for Salem Kaiser in. He said it he did not like he'll most like interrupted me to, like, say, how good it feels has a pitcher to throw to joy Bart because defensively. He just gets everything. He's got you. He's got runners all the time, because his arm is really strong and his ability to call the game. He said he's a really good receiver of the ball. He makes it easy for he said he felt it makes it easier on him to throw the ball Joey the every. Likes to talk about the power. And you know what they seen in a while, you know, this is the best, you know, one of the best all around, catching prospects who've seen in a really long time. And you know, the defensive aspect of it is, is so high up that I think, you know, it's hard like I wouldn't consider him yet for twenty nineteen. But if I mean if he shoots through the minor leagues, there's even a, there's easy talk of him being in at twenty twenty you know the giants, if they fill they're ready to go. They'll move them fast up next is another hard throwing pitcher. Dylan cease with the Chicago White Sox. A seventy great fastball. And a guy that can absolutely hammered down, pick his spots a big deal with him as his arm. He was talked about having Tommy John surgery in the past has been very good at this curve ball, this year as well. Our good friend White Sox. Dave from barstool sports is gonna dive a little bit deeper on this up and coming prospect, right handed, pitching prospect, traded from the cubs organization, four Jose cantata to the White Sox, and he has an explosive best ball touches one hundred miles per hour. Power curveball, very good change of starting this year, at finally developed into a plus third pitch in his command was really good this year too. So he's gonna start to flood through the system should be a top of the order arm at best number one in ace at worse than number two or three. It's time to talk about Casten here. The future superstar second baseman for the Milwaukee Brewers. He's finally called up. He's finally producing just hit his first made his first major league hit and I bet, you know, this guy that's going to be part of the system for a very long time. And if you listened to the guy, we're about to talk to Robert Murray. It doesn't sound like he's going anywhere. So Burs fans enjoy your time McKesson here but his ability as a player is unique in effect that. His hitting is extremely well, advanced for a player of his age and I, I mentioned yesterday in a different radio spot that I had a rival scouting director. Tell me that in all the years, he's been watching players of the AA level. He's never seen a hitter at the at the level or the caliber of custom here at that level. And he was just blown away by his hitting. And then the only question Mark with him is his defense. And he really there's some people that believe that he's not going to be a second baseman in the future. There's some people that believe that his future, actually could be in the outfield or even as a designated hitter. But for the brewers automatic at this point, it would end up being at second base, considering the need. But when Ryan Braun eventually comes off the books after the twenty twenty season, I believe I mean, there could be an option there to move him to the outfield, but I think his is future Milwaukee, if he stays will be at second base in. Going off to the point is mentioned. I do not believe he's going to be a trait. He said, I do not see any scenario in which the Bruce trae Heston hero. Very rarely do you make the top twenty and not have talent. And we cannot say the same from its Keller, Mr. Keller is extremely talented in Alex dump from books dugout is going to tell you more, you need to know about this future piece of the rotation for the Pittsburgh Pirates. Mitch Keller falls to the trend the part of head a big profile arms less couple years. A high school arm drafted a gray fastball solid curveball very similar to Jameson town, inch Tyler glass now in a lot of ways. The changeup is still a concern. He has to develop that end baserunners have had a good job reading him up because he hasn't had a whole lot of time to deal with base runners in the minor leagues. That's something that he's not had a ton of experience with he didn't go to college. She didn't you know put too many runners on base in the lower levels of the minor league. So runners are really taking care of him or taking cleaning up. Against him part, signed the minor league catcher this off season named Steve, Barron is a reputation of being good with helping a young pitchers control the running game more. If he could do that, develop a change up a little more. I think this guy could be a high end number two starter. Maybe even a borderline a so the baiters day, whatever I guess, and actually, one of the guys that we consider to be one of our higher end guests. Maybe the most popular guess that we've ever had outside of probably guys like Szymborska White Sox. Dave from our sports is here to tell us more about the flame throwing Michael kopech who, of course, was in the Chris sale trade, along with guys like Bassanha and yawn, Mocatta kopech has gone through Tom John surgery. You're going to hear why talks Dave say something about that. But here's Dave Williams with his view on Michael kopech just talked to kopech today, coming back from Tommy, John, surgery has probably the best fastball in my only baseball one of the best best balls in the world. If you are talking about major league baseball to power slider. Really change up in his command also improved. He could be Cy Young candidate, should he develop Anna stay healthy actors time, John the pretty much unanimous first overall pick last year is next in case him is already found his way into the top twenty and now even into the top ten hopping the next pitcher that we're gonna talk about here in a few minutes. But Casey minds us here, and we're gonna talk to Brandon day about, you know what makes Casey my so good. What made him the first overall pick and kind of how overall how tiger fans are feeling about this move about this pick so far, basically almost a full calendar year after he was selected. So, again, here's Brennan day from bless you, boys. Espy nation Tigers Detroit. Let's see what is say in Detroit, generally people been pretty happy with, with the Casey, my selection, you know, when they took them number one overall in twenty in the two thousand eighteen draft. You know, we were all kind of hoping for that star position player that bath, that we could we could kind of start to build around, but. The Tigers have definitely been a a best player available type team. And Casey by his you know, to struck just about everyone, as the best player available. And there's a lot to, like, what are the more interesting things about Casey buys is he's come in the spring and actually already kind of like tweaked his breaking ball. He basically sits, you know, ninety four ninety five maybe top out ninety six ninety seven with the fastball. Pretty good life on it. But it's basically that fastball in the splitter in the splitter is kind of the, the standout pitch. I think it kind of it kind of keeps winning like best pitch by a prospect in the other category, as far as not a fastball or breaking ball. So, you know, he's got those things together. He's got a pretty nice little cutter to Bixente to the mix. And then yet, he's, he's worked on this kind of slur of this off season. You know, putting putting to work, a lot of the spin rate data and kind of like fashioning. What looks to me like a spike curve ball? But he's kinda call on a slur. So he's got that kind of coming into the mix as well with the advanced command. Casing buys us probably ready to pitch in the major leagues already and would be by the end of the year. I would assume I'm a better team on the tiger. It'll take their time with them a little bit more than that. But he's a he's a major league ready prospects right now. And maybe the only downside to Casey Mayes right now is that I'm not sure there's much more to get out of him. He's, he's pretty much the pitcher that you're hoping he's going to be right now. And that's you know, maybe a number two starter. But probably number three. Friend of the show. And former guest Crisanto expert Yankee fan loves talk. Baseball is here to tell us more about reds prospect tiller Mel Nixon's already made his debut. We'll get to him later in the countdown, but tremolos a guy that could make a huge impact on this and maybe even speed up this red supreme Bill when he gets the time and when he does get up here after he progresses a little bit. But again, here's Chris Saunders. Bristol blues play by play announcer to tell you more about potato betrayal. Number two, overall prospect in the reds farm system, Taylor Trammell hit tool, fifty five power fifty run. Seventy field fifty five overall sixty the weakest tool for him is his arm, so he can just improve a little bit in at least get to the average. Mark you're talking about a guy who doesn't really have any weaknesses draws a lot of walks. And I mean, there's a reason why Georgia Tech was recruiting recruiting him to play football and baseball at their college. You know, a multi sport athlete in Georgia Georgia has produced numerous talent both in the football ranks in the baseball ranks as well. And. And I can see why the Yankees wanted to acquire him when they were trying to get rid of, in a sense, sunny, gray. So it would not shock me if he's up with the next year too. And he complained center, you can put them in the corners, depending on how his power progresses right now in two thousand eighteen you only had eight home runs. If he continues the stick at the eight homerun clip he's gonna stay projected as a center fielder. But if he can be more of like a even even fifteen to twenty home. Run guy in that ballpark. You should see his home runs spike up. And I think he's perfect for left or right. Unorthodox effective FINA where the guy could use the definitely describe McKinsey gore. My favorite prospect on the entire list. You know, whether it's the highlight cake, whether it's the control, whether it's fighting through this blister issue that he had last year that James is going to go into more depth about who MacKenzie gore is my favorite prospect on. The board has actually been my favorite prospect since he was drafted in twenty seventeen at third. Overall by the Padres is the guy to white Bill North Carolina that has the lowest era in North Carolina history. Once it gets put in a guy that feeling Hammonds his high school pitching coach told us, a story about the fact that he went over to their house, and he heard the stumping upstairs and he couldn't figure out what it was. It was McKinsey gore upstairs trying to perfect his wind up. I mean this kid is a fee nom. He's got the work ethic. He's got the workout they can the attitude. Chris paddock. This kid is going to be amazing. And I hope to see him in w MURILLO very, very soon. Here's Jayme Clark east village times. Tell you more about this young stud. All right. Jim Callus and Austin's favourite MacKenzie gore had a definite down year last year. There's a little bit of a blister issue with his finger lingered throughout the throughout the season is a wasn't exactly where he'd like it to be was exactly where the baseball perations and the team would like to be he did. Compose sixteen innings last season in Fort Wayne made sixteen starts for the tin caps. Struck out seventy four. In that time walked eighteen he was a little bit hill. Little more hit -able than they like allowance sixty one hits. Again, it came down to the finger issue. I think that you'll see improved numbers from him this year. He's got an excellent stuff. I mean this, this is a kid that has four plus pitches. A fastball is in the ninety five ninety six mph range tops out at around there plus curve. That's just nasty a heartbreaking slider and probably unheralded changed. It might be one of his best pitches. So the floor on on MacKenzie gore is pretty high ceiling is, is, is that of an ace, I you hear the Clayton Kershaw cops to him because of his nasty left-handed leg. Kick highly kick that he has at nineteen years of age. He'll be twenty and a couple of days. It's very exciting to see what he has with a fool fool health unders honor himself in two thousand nineteen I would. Expect him to start in lake Elsinore and probably make his way to AA if he has a success in the California league, Mike trout needs help and a lane, Joe, a DOE will be here to help and just a few years, maybe even as early as next year. This is a guy that has all five tools like just said, if you don't have all five tools, you're probably not in the top twenty at this point, if you're a position player, you have to be able to do it all to be considered one of the best of the best, and you'll see that more and more as we get down. You know, you start questioning how many tools guy really have. And that's what happens Joe a dome in this guy's a spectacular fielder takes good route. So the ball puts contact on the ball. You know, it has a little bit of pop. You know, the kind of hide sometimes not very big and frame wise. But what he makes up for that as a speed and stealing basis, just a d line from halos heaven is here to talk to you. More about my trust future outfield mate. I myself have been fortunate enough to see Adelle firsthand when he was playing for an empire. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to see too many pets since he was promoted rather. Quickly but he has a presence on the field, that just speaks of maturity beyond his years. He won't even turn nineteen years old until the start of this season. There's a reason Joel is on top of mini prospect, lists and incredibly, well rounded talent. And the angels farm system of the lakes. They haven't really seen since, of course. Mike trout, he really doesn't have a skill that he lacks in including hitting for power. His speed his arm feeling and Adele, somebody who keeps getting stronger, and has an incredible worth ethic, and has worked really hard this offseason to make an impact in the big leagues sooner rather than later. Adele did strikeout quite a bit last year at the AA level. So we'll look to improve on that this season but he should definitely be an impact bad in the angels lineup. If not by the end of this season. We will certainly see him in twenty twenty if you're an excite of Joe Adele, you should be he's coming, and he's coming, quick outside of WADA mirror, gurjin. You're probably. One of the most talented hitters that we've seen in a very long time. And maybe if you're sitting at thirteen in this countdown, and you're seventeen years old. You have to be an absolute fee nomin. That's the only word that I can use describe wander. Franko wander Franco is going to be huge huge for the raise taking that next step in being championship contenders year in year out, you know, they're always on the ledge, but they've never really had a superstar sense. I mean we go back as far as Evan longoria. I mean, everybody loves Blake's now with Blake Snell's kinda fallen off a little bit longoria was the last true superstar along Jane Doe David price that they had. But one Franko has the ability to fill that void. He's going to fill that void once he gets up there. Remember this kid's only seventeen years old and putting up the numbers that he is in the hard contact that he is. So here is Ron styles from raise colored glasses to tell you more about the seventeen year old female wonder Franko the shortstop seventeen years old. He's only seventeen so he's. Only played sixty one Myrlie games. And that was in two thousand eighteen were hit for a three fifty one average four eighteen on base. And I mentioned Honeywell having out of anticipation on him by race fans. But this kid this seventeen year old who's a nephew of Eric Eibar has all the lights on him all the eyes on him. His even his winter ball tape has gone viral throughout the race. He has one of the prettiest swings. You'll see by far the prettiest wing that race of had if he and when he does it to Tampa Bay. This is going to be something to watch. Bill is back. Bill Moratti from athletics form, is here to talk to us. More about hastily throw a guy who of course, coming back from injury is a big blow to the Oakland A's organization as a whole bill's gonna tell us more about what makes hayseeds Lasorda the number twelve prospect in all of baseball and kind of how he mixes his pitches, build does really well about going in depth about these players. So don't wanna say too much to kinda take away from Bill, slender hills, boomer era from as farm, tell you more left-hander, Zeus Lazardo was the Nash. Third round pick back in twenty sixteen. But unfortunately for Washington, they dealt him to the as along with infield prospect, Sheldon noisy, and all star closer. Blake Trianon in return for relievers, Sean Doolittle, and Ryan Madson in what's looking like a real steel for the as Lazardo is currently, the as top pitching prospect, and baseball America. Currently ranks him as the top left handed pitching prospect in the entire game and was Ardo is still just twenty one years old. Lazar does fastball touches the high nineties, and he also has an excellent changeup that he uses to really fool hitters. And he also has a solid curve ball to go along with that. Now, the most impressive thing about Lazardo is his poise and maturity on the mound, and he also has excellent control and really has command of all his pitches in his first full year of full season ball in twenty eighteen Lazardo managed to blow through three. Levels of the minor league system. He was dominant at high ace Stockton, and double a Midland before making four starts at AAA in August and speaking of control last season, Lazardo walk just thirty batters in his twenty three starts now. The starting rotation isn't looking all that strong heading into twenty nineteen but was Ardo is expected to compete for a spot in the rotation this ring, but with the as recent sightings of starters, Marco Estrada and Brett Anderson, it looks like the team is trying to buy Lazardo some time to gain a little more experience at AAA, though, even if he gets a couple of months in triple eight to start the season, it's expected that Lazardo will make his debut in Oakland sometime this summer. And once he settles in at the big league level was Ardo should become a dominant force of the a starting rotation for years. This won't be the first time this won't be the last on the you hear this name Boba shut. This is a guy that, you know, when you look at the shortstop position, there's a reason that he's the head of Franko. There's a reason that he's ahead of pretty much every shortstop prospect in baseball outside of well to that are in the top five, you know, when you have Royce Lewis, obviously coming up, and then you have finance IT who we all know is an absolute stud. But Boba shit is an absolute hitter. He's hit it every position has a minor league batting title under his belt, which you're, you're here in hunters say in just a second. But here's Ian hundred talk about the future of shortstop position in Toronto in the future, three pieces of an infield considering caving, busy obese shut invited McGrew junior. It's gonna win a lot of games over the next few years starting around twenty twenty one finally cracking the top ten we're in the top ten of our top fifty prospects show. This is, of course, MLB pipeline at the beginning of the year. So Chris Saunders is here to tell us more about, but the feature at second base for the Colorado Rockies after losing DJ LeMay who in the offseason, who, of course, is apparently raking in New York because he cannot be stopped. You have Daniel Murphy there, but the future at second base, you know, the future of the right side of the infield really is Brennan Rogers in those reason that he's a top ten pick at top ten prospect, and Chris Andrews is going to tell you more. Royal prospect in the Colorado Rockies farm system is. Well as the number three shore, stop amongst the top ten shortstop prospects in major league. Baseball Brendan Rodgers hit tool. Sixty power, fifty five runners, fifty armed, sixty feel fifty overall of sixty. This is a player that was drafted in twenty fifteen and we'll be pipeline ranked him as the number one prospect during that time he eventually was drafted number three overall the players ahead of him. Dan's be Swanson. And Alex bregman both of employees, major league baseball right now in doing a fine job with their clubs the brazen the Astros, but Rogers signed for five point five mill and he earned every bit of it, especially in that first year between high class a and AA batting three thirty six with eighteen home runs in eighty nine games played. And you know position right now for the Rockies shortstop is wide open for them. And, you know, they just resigned air not oh, two eight year deal for two hundred sixty million. Imagine the left side of the infield with air Nado at the hot corner and Brennan Rogers at shortstop. I mean you look at the stats that he had. Between two levels. He played at last year combined for seventeen home runs. Sixty seven or b is and while he struck out ninety two times when we walked thirty one the on-base percentage of three thirty with two sixty eight average, you could say maybe he needs a little bit more seasoning. But it would not shock me. Brendan Rogers is called up at the midway point. And trying to continue the winning that the Rockies have had. They got a great young core with the pitching and now with our Nado, sign long-term, you gotta think Roger's he's going to be coming up soon. All right. Next guy, we're going to talk about on the top ten Alex cure off. Seth stowe's is here to talk about curel off stuck in AA right now. According to according to MLB dot com. His ETA is about twenty twenty one of the better pure hitters right now in the minors. So let's let's hear Cestos talking more about him to, to meet him. You're go when he was on when he is out with Tommy, John, and then I talked to employed a bit this year. It's spring training as he was working his way back and really just getting used to hitting again. And then I got down to Cedar Rapids, once he in Lewis play at the end of may. And I I've been making the trek to Fort Myers, the last most of the last decade most years for a week or two, I guess a week or ten days, I've been to wherever the twins low of lower. Affiliate has been it used to be in Beloit now. They've been in Cedar Rapids, last six years. Alex lav office the best pure hitter I've ever seen in the last twelve years. And it's a combination of. Just a great approach at the plate and aggressiveness. A true understanding of situations, the ability to hit the ball to all fields and his best power at this time. Is to the opposite field. Is it home runs to left field that over half of his homers to left field? And he had twenty most of his doubles were to left field. And he's a left-handed hitter. Any led all of minor league baseball with forty four doubles, he's just such a pure hitter. I and it's it's hard to explain that in words. But if you watch him hit, you'll see it. So that's why I think even with the missed year for Tommy John twenty seventeen. He's got a chance to move up quick, if he starts in AA if the twins are in contention and they need an outfielder in the second half. I mean, I'd say I'm not saying it's likely, but he's a guy that could come up and be a difference maker. So definitely one to watch in the second half, or, or certainly into twenty twenty probably the most misunderstood prospect, and mistreated prospect and the entire top fifty list as a whole cow. Tucker still stuck in AAA Astros. Will not allow him to play the outfield. I understand that with George Springer injury. It should probably. Open up the door. But you bring up a guy like miles straw called Tucker is one of the best hitters and based in baseball right now. Triple eight least I mean it was tour AAA last year. Gets to the majors. Struggles small sample size, can't judge them on that Cody poke from climbing towel sale. An Astro stats on Twitter is going to tell you more about this misunderstood prospect, the other top prospect to discuss for that stroz is outfielder Cal Tucker who did make his major league debut last season during the summer. But unfortunately, it didn't didn't do a whole lot to impress in law, people were doubting, his potential well Ince's off, as you may know Hughes a key. Trade candidate for potentially JT room. We told which obviously didn't come to pass Huston. But Tucker still holds a law potential. He's, he's demonstrate his ability, hidden each step of the minors, and even by with some by some metrics. And in the majors last season was actually just quite unlucky. He hit the ball hard. He just he hit the ball, ROY fillers. He'd nothing just quite went. Right. He just had a few bad breaks. He, he has the potential to really be a force Vasteras was liable long-term in, I think a lot of people are anxious to see him getting their chance this season. Even if he'll start the year on AAA with Rammer express due to the vision of Michael Brantley. All right. Next up on the prospect list forest Whitley Astros prospect, drafted in two thousand sixteen currently injured expected, a arrive in the majors this year, although he has had a rough triple A season. Cody Pogue is here to talk. More about Las store with the Astros. Number one prospect right now, which is Ryan pitcher force Whitley the young righty who spent the majority last season either all suspension or dealing with injuries pitched sparingly and twenty team. But still show, the law of the positive results that make him a one of the top prospects in baseball dash was hoping he can to take over similar roles. David price last year, you know coming out of the bullpen laying the season the postseason. But fortunately that never materialized go into the twenty nineteen he has opportunity to really make a name for himself a wall. He. As stores a year in route s was neutrally affiliate, everybody specimen to be up at some point this summer to compete for one to starting roles. He's a pitcher who can reach up to the upper nineties on his fastball features. I so twelve six breaking curveball. If you other secondary offerings that everybody seemed to be enthused about if he can harness all this potential. He is potentially be one of the front-line starters Houston for the foreseeable future starting to get the guys that are already in the majors and Nixon's Ellas no exception. I mean, the guy is just crushing the Boston's coming up for the reds big, big piece of this feature along with Taylor, traumatic who we talked about in the previous top ten since L can do it all. I mean he can play any position on the infield that you ask him to. And this is a guy that Cincinnati Reds fans are going to be very, very happy to see in the years to come. This is the guy that can do it all. And this is the future face of your franchise once the vodka era ends, and here is Crisanto to talk more. Nick Zell hit tool seventy he hit everything that's thrown at him. The powers fifty five run is fifty five the arm is sixty field. Sixty overall sixty again another perennial all star. But the question is worse. He gonna play third base. You have swore his second base. Right now, scooter Jeanette. He's another one that could play center field. The reds have tried him in the corners. Hasn't worked out, well, played much better than centerfield has the range treks ball off the bat pretty well, but then you run to the question of who's gonna play center Trammell or send Zell and then you might have second base open if the reds do not sign scooter genetic because he's a free agent for this year, so you could potentially see a an opening at second base. You could see sell their Trammell at short. We're not sure but you know center field but regardless the number one into overall prospects on the reds farm system. They rank amongst the best in major league baseball next up Roy's Lewis pretty young kid. Hid former number one overall pick in the twenty seventeen draft a lot of tools pretty exciting for the twins kind of came as a surprise to most twins fans when they took him back in twenty seventeen but I think he's impressed. Most of the twins fan base, not, not expected, a make it in the majors until about next year. So but here is Sesto to talk more about Royce Lewis. You know what I did a story or an article in probably July or August. Comparing his time line with other top shortstop picks taken in the recent years, Carlos Correa and Francisco indoor in Lewis to this point is ahead of where those guys were at the same time and I'm not saying he's going to be them or anything because you never know I mean prospects and player development is never a linear path, but profile lies. I mean he. Will be able to hit. You've got a good hit tool. He's got a pretty good idea of the plate. The approach good approach. Any does have some good power potential. Even though right now is probably about six to one ninety he's got some room to grow. He's got great speed athleticism. All of that. And I think he surprised a lot of people and more people, I think think that he can stay at shortstop, which was was a question Mark when he was drafted, and I think he'll have to continue to make strides but he can play short. And he's got great range. And, and then the other part that he's got her some of those intangibles. I mean you're talking about one of the really good people, great background. Great charisma is the kinda guy that once he gets into the big league club house lakeland door, I think it won't take real long for him to become a leader type of player as well. So I mean it's everything you want in a prospect, and probably more victory blasts rookie of the year candidate for the Washington nationals all the tools. In the world all who's on the world. This is a guy that is going to steal bags at a massive rate once he gets comfortable enough at the big league level and on the base pass that people thought probably should have been called up last year. You know, when we talk about tools again, he has all of them. Maybe the power power is lacking, a little bit when it comes down to it, maybe he doesn't have the pop that wants so had maybe it doesn't mean nobody really has the pop that Bryce Harper head when he came up. But there's a lot of hype around this kid in that hype kind of died down when oh to the start that he had last year, kind of jumping in prospect, wise. But Russia's a guy that's going to steal thirty bases has than a an ability at the pace that he's going right now to possibly be a twenty twenty guy this year in his true rookie season and is actually on the ballot and possibly even be an all star if he gets enough support from the fans like I said rookie of the year candidate in a year where Pete Alonzo. Chris paddick Fernando Totti's guys like that don't exist. Maybe he gets a look. But as of right now. Is going to be huge for the nationals rebuild. I mean, if we won't even call that retool for years and years to come away. Jimenez, lot of pop in this guy's bat. A lot of Chicago White Sox fans banking on his success. Pretty exciting player has a lot of power. I've seen comparisons to, you know, a lot of power hitters and league like Stanton, you know lot of pop in his bat doesn't do much in the field. He was signed by the cubs back in twenty thirteen White Sox. Give him a contract. Right before this season actually doing. All right. Once he gets comfortable, I think he will be a force on the White Sox team. And I think they can really Bank on this guy in the future. And once he gets comfortable, the MO should watch out our boy, White Sox, Dave is going to talk more on Eloi him. You arguments kid has just white tower powered. All seen the video of him going on the natural in the all star game homerun derby a couple years ago. He's six four to fifteen to twenty and then he he hits he hits hits hits. He's not, you know, all or nothing that he should be at best at thirty five. Forty home. Run guy that hits three thirty and gets on base at four hundred clip average defense but when he's playing field who cares. And he could be a ten time all star future hall of Famer. He's that good. So that's it for me. That's for the White Sox. We will catch you guys in the World Series in two thousand twenty rookie of the year. I mean maybe we talked about Kris back in the twenties. Or maybe it was the thirties when it comes to comes to paddock about, you know, in terms of they have the attitude Fernando Totti's got an injury, but prior to the injury was probably one of the best players in baseball at the time. I mean he was hitting three hundred by the time he got injured. He was starting to get into rhythm of things. He was looking good at short making Machado like throws at short with Matata standing next to him having a mentor like that. It's going to help Fernando. Taty salat. But you can't teach a lot of these tools. I mean a lot of this. I mean, this is the big kid. He's got the frame for power. He has the power, but he's going to hit for average to for an NFL. She's just does it all in James Clark, from east village times is here to tell you more about this absolute FINA Fernando Totti's junior is considered by most Budgie fans as the messiah he is the second coming of Christ. If you will for Padre fans, if you if I had a cop on Fano Totti's junior, I would definitely throw his new teammate. Manny Machado as far as comp at twenty years of age to TCI shown excellent skills all around the field. He has excellent power to all sides ability to barrel of baseball's considerably. There's a little bit of a hit and miss a little bit of swing and miss with his swing with his approach, but that's nothing to be to too concerned about. He struggled a little bit walking last season in AA, only recording three three walks in three hundred and fifty three at bats, but I would. Expect that once he refines his approach a little more. He's going to be a solid contributor all around defensively. There had been some concerns about him whether or not he was going to be able to stick at short. He's taken that to heart and really improved his defensive game the ranges. They're the army Saulat. He's turned himself into a pretty respectable defender, I would have no problem in thinking that he should be able to stick there for the next ten years for the Padres. I, I know that, that's their long term goal is to have him at shortstop for the team at six foot three hundred eighty five pounds and just turned twenty years of age. There is still room for him to grow a little bit. I would expect the power to get to come in time. He's already has a very powerful bet already a leave a sixty ranking on his bat, but it's going to be it's going to be exciting to see him and many Machado on the left side of the infield for the Padres. Number one Vladimir Guerrero junior. Oh my Lord. My. Favorite prospect in the league right now is Lottie Guerrero. There hasn't been a guy in the last, I don't know my whole life where I have to be in front of the TV for his at bats. He has so much power has one of the highest ceilings in the league right now. I'm I'm thrilled to be able to watch Vlad Guerrero now on the mobile. The Blue Jays finally called him up. So I was so happy when that happen, he can he, he had a chance of becoming one of the best hitters in the league if you can just, you know, once he gets comfortable when starts just mashing a think he will be one of the better hitters on a league. Just an explosive swing. There's not many swings out there like it. It's one of the prettiest wing. Sounds the best just absolute unit as well. So if he gets a hold of one, it's going a mile so, but Ian Hunter from the daily hive is here to talk more about my favorite prospect. I don't think we've ever seen this much hype surrounding a baseball prospect, ever. Vladimir Guerrero junior is an extremely unique talent almost universally everybody has him as the number one prospect in all of baseball, if he doesn't win rookie of the year this year, I think a lot of people will be shocked and the thing about where the Blue Jays are in kind of the midst of their rebuild. Is that Vladimir grew junior? I could foresee him hitting in the middle of this. Order. You know, maybe come June or July, if the Blue Jays do, in fact, call him up in mid April, he's that much of an impact bat, and so the Blue Jays essentially just added, you know, like I think he's projected to have like a four a four win season for rookie, which is unprecedented. And it's got a lot of people in Toronto excited because him along with Boba Shet are going to form the cornerstones of this, Toronto Blue Jays fantasize for the next five to six years, potentially even longer if the Blue Jays can extend them and it's going to be incredibly exciting to see what Ladimir rare junior CANDU, because he demolished the minor leagues the last two years, Bluejays could've made a case that they actually could have brought them up last year. But due to serve his time restrictions. Opting to keep them down in the minor leagues.

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The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938) Ep. 39

Classic Movie Musts

22:31 min | 1 year ago

The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938) Ep. 39

"I'm max Baril. And this is classic movie musts where every week we breakdown a classic movie. Well, looking to provide artistic insight and historical context at the very least. We'll talk about what makes these movies classics causing movie must releases every Friday ready to complement your weekend movie, viewing plans classic movie must is supported by listeners. Like you. If you want to help support the show, I thank you so much and second head on over to patriot dot com slash classic movie. Musts every patriot subscriber earns cool perks and ways to engage with the show, including the opportunity to vote every month on a movie they'd like to hear discussed on the show. All it takes is one dollar per month. And in fact, voting for our January movie of the month is open right now. So feel free to head on over and join a huge. Thank you to our patriots subscribers. You make this show possible. You can read about all our support tears. And the rewards over at patriot dot com slash classic movie. Musts they for joining me this week as we discuss the swashbuckling classic. The adventures of Robin Hood in this episode in our feature presentation will discuss the innovative editing techniques that make the adventures of Robin Hood, a thrilling timeless classic will hear about the tension between aero Flynn and director Michael critise in our buzz when the back lot segment, but first let's get into this week's opening credits. Our film this week is the adventures of Robin Hood, which was directed by both William Keeley and Michael Kurt tees and was released in nineteen thirty eight the adventures of Robin Hood stars Errol Flynn, Olivia to Havilland basil Rathbone and Claude rains for your streaming ease. The adventures of Robin Hood is available for streaming rental on I tunes Amazon YouTube and Google play. Richard the Lionheart play by Ian Hunter. King of England is taking captain in the year. Eleven ninety one by Leopold, the fifth Duke of Austria while returning from the crusades Richards, treacherous brother prince, John played by Claude rains usurps the throne and proceeds to oppress the Saxons raising taxes to secure his own position. Only the Saxon. Nobleman cer- Robin of Loxley played by Errol Flynn. Opposes him, Robin acquires a loyal follower. When he saves much Miller. Son played by Herbert Muenden from being arrested. For poaching. By, sir. Guy of Gisbert play by basil. Rathbone at Gisborne's castle. Robin, boldly tells prince John and his Norman followers and the contemptuous lady Mary Fitz. Walter play by Livy to Havilland that he will do all in his power to restore Richard to the throne, Robin escapes despite attempts by John's men to stop him, Robin, much and friend will scarlet play by Patric Knowles, take refuge in Sherwood forest and recruit Littlejohn played by Alan HALE senior while other men join their growing band, including rotunda friar tuck play by Jean pellet, branded as outlaws Robin binds, his men to an oath to fight for free England until the return of Richard to rob the rich and give to the poor and treat all women with courtesy rich or poor Norman or Saxon, Robin and his band begin to real awards prince John systematically, killing the prince's tax collectors and. Any Norman nobleman or men at arms who abuses? His power Robin is men capture a large party of Norman's transporting tax money extorted from the Saxons amongst Robbins, guests are, sir. Guy of Grizz born the cowardly sheriff of Nottingham pay by Melville Cooper and lady Marian disdainful of Robin. First marine comes to accept his good intentions and see the reality of Norman brutality, Robin allows the humiliated cer- guy and the sheriff to leave Sherwood telling them that they have lady Marion's presence to thank for them being spared. The sheriff devises a cunning scheme to capture Robin by announcing an archery tournament with the prize of an golden arrow to be presented by the lady Marian all goes as planned Robin wins the prize and his taken prisoner and his sentence to hang Marian helps Robin's men rescue him and he later scales. The high castle in which she is staying to thank her each pledges their love for each other. But Marian declines to leave with him believing. She can best help by staying and being spy for the men of Sherwood king, Richard and several trusted knights have returned to England in disguise at a roadside in the Bishop of the black canons, discovers them and alerts prince, John and Gisborne a man at arms by the name of Dicken, a degraded. Former night is given the task of murdering Richard in return for the restoration of his rank and Robin's manor and estate Marian over here's their plot and writes, a note to Robin. But sir guy finds it and has her arrested, pending trial and execution. Marion's confidante. Best play Buna O'Connor says much Miller son to warn Robin on his way, he intercepts and kills Dicken. But is wounded in the process as Richard and his fellow night's journey through Sherwood forest. They are stopped by Robin and his men Richard assures Robin that he is traveling on the king's business when asked if he supports Richard the incognito king replies. I love Noman better. He then accepts Robbins invitation to dine with him. And the men of Sherwood much is found injured on the side of the road and his taken to Robin who then tells Robin of Marion's peril and that Richard is now in England Robin orders thorough search to find Richard and bring him to safety now certain of their loyalty. Richard reveals his identity, Robin devises a plan to sneak into Nottingham castle. He courses the Bishop of the black canons to include his men disguised as monks in his entourage for John's. Coronation in the great hall. Richard reveals himself to the assembled nobles and a huge melee breaks out, Robin cer- guy. Engage in a prolonged sword. Fight ending in Gisborne's death, Robin releases Mary and from her prison cell and prince John's men now defeated throw down their swords. Shields and banners in surrender Richard exiles. John and his followers for his lifetime and pardons. The outlaws he elevates Robin Hood to the barren of Loxley, and Earl of Sherwood Nottingham and commands that Robin Mary the lady Marian. The adventures of Robin Hood had a budget of two million dollars and had a box off his hall of nearly four million adjusted for inflation. That's a budget of just over thirty five million dollars and a box office hall of over seventy million now, let's speak treason fluently because it's time for our feature presentation. The adventures of Robin Hood, it paid him is is the classic Hollywood action adventure fill aero Flynn turns in a timeless performance as Robin Hood. After all he performed all his own stunts, and this film, solidified his status as a swashbuckling leading man. It's easy to note. The film stunning visual design from the verdant forests to the cavernous castle sets this film sets and locales added to the sense of larger than life adventures in twelfth century England. The film was shot in the expensive three strip technicolor process. And we can recognize the film's wonderful use of color from costume design to the pageantry of the archery tournament yet when one thinks of the adjectives most commonly used to describe this film beat rousing exciting, fast paced. We find ourselves celebrating the film's temporal design. One of the main ingredients of this classic film. Success has to do with its finely tuned. Nd editing scheme working in conjunction with the musical score Errol Flynn's engaging athletic performance is only enhanced by the beautifully choreographed tightly edited action sequences that punctuate the film to better understand why the adventures of Robin Hood is still so enjoyable today. We need to look more closely at elements of the film's temporal design as well as the conventions classic Hollywood cinema that guide it towards the beginning of the film. The sequence of the Norman feast in Nottingham castle establishes, many of the editing conventions used throughout the film. This sequence can be broken into two distinct parts, I the beginning of the feast and the entrance of Robin Hood and second Robin hoods escape from the castle. In the first part the scene opens with establishing shots that lay out the spatial. Dimensions of the great hall the ensuing dialogue between prince John and other members of the court guides. The. Leisurely tempo of the shots. It's a prime example of classical Hollywood editing at play, for instance, the cuts from prince John to the sheriff of Nottingham are based on graphical matches with both figures framed in medium close ups additionally, shot reverse shots, and I line matching established coherent spatial relations between the characters after robinhood enters the castle we continue to get graphic, and I line matches as well as shot reverse shot sequences between the main characters the cuts between shots are motivated by the principal characters acting and reacting to each other. And throughout the first part of the sequence the length of the shots is rhythmically steady. It allows the audience to get to know the characters and to take in the lush production design. However the pace the sequence changes as we approach Robin hoods daring escape from the castle. Too quick I line matches begin to increase the tension in the sequence we. See that Robin Hood is aware that the castle doors are being barred for the more. We get a cut away shot of the soldiers preparing to move in on Robin after Dicken one of the prince's soldiers. Throws a spear at Robin, the editing of the scene changes drastically. I the sound of the spear hitting Robbins chair coincides with the beginning of non diabetic music that is music that can only be heard by the audience drought. The escape sequence the uptempo music helps guide the excel A-Rated pace of the editing. Second the length of the shots varies greatly. We get much shorter shots of actions such as sir guy throwing candlestick or of the various sword fights and the relation between shots is based on movement action and vigil matches. This creates a much faster rhythm for the sequence. Thanks to the increase in the number of edits throughout movement in the film is created thanks to character movement camera movement and Ed. Getting. So once the escape begins. We see Michael critise enhance the sense of movement through the characters and the camera, but the sequence is made far more dynamic, thanks to the editing. It's worth noting here that Michael critise came on later in the production specifically to make the action sequences more dynamic and more exciting. He reshot several action sequences better utilizing camera movement and editing in order to make the sequences far more exciting. As Robin fights his way out of the castle. We often get cuts after he's finished off a soldier with an arrow or cuts that follow his movement. Like when he is sword fighting or after he climbed the wall of the great hall. Moreover, we get visual matches throughout the sequence such as when Robin is above the action fighting with soldiers below notice. How Robbins downward pointing ERO is cut with the soldiers upward pointing crossbows. These visual matches make the fast paced editing, feel seamless for the audiences. I. The excitement of the sequence is also attributed to cross cutting while Robin is fighting in the castle, we often cut between his actions and the actions of others in the room such as ser guy being tackled by the soldiers, or when we see the cowardly behavior of the sheriff of Nottingham, both aren't example of editing showing the viewer to actions at the same time and in the same place. Then after Robin escapes the castle we have the cross cutting between him and the soldiers chasing him on horseback, which shows editing ability to show actions at the same time, but in different spaces this highly choreographed escape sequence is a prime example of the techniques that Michael critise uses throughout the film and that set the standard of a classical Hollywood action sequence. Whether it's Robin and his merry band setting upon sir guy and made Marian in the forest or the tournament sequence. We see the action sequences use a variety of editing techniques. To increase excitement and tension. The we take these techniques for granted. Now, this was the air in which Hollywood filmmakers began to harness the power of all that cinema had to offer by combining physical action visual beauty and dynamic pacing to make movies such a captivating experience. As we already noted with the non diabetic music sound plays an important part in the editing of films, for example, sound is an integral part of the archery tournament sequence part of the complexity of this scene is its dual narrative purpose across cutting between Robin hoods display of marksmanship and prince John's attempt to capture Robin many of the cuts in the scene are prompted by sound and musical cues. The music helps guide the rhythm and the frequency of the cuts in the sequence the musical and visual cues also helped condense the time of the tournament after all one of editing. Great powers is to create movement through time. Time every time we cut to a shot of the Trump tears. We as the audience understand that a certain amount of time has elapsed that was not necessary to the telling the story the tournament is condensed to its essentials and the preliminary rounds which are not essential to the story are dispatched with quick montage sequences montages also used throughout the film to great and lasting effect the montages operates specifically to condense time and keep the pacing of the story dynamic early on. We see a montage of the Normans robbing and enslaving the Saxons and another montage of the Saxon resistance led by robinhood impulse sequences. We are shown only brief moments that obviously occur over a long period of time. But these montage sequences prove extremely efficient at relaying vital information that helps establish the narrative world and the characters motivations needless to say, given the reliance Hollywood placed on the. Montage sequence in the many decades since these early editing. Techniques had timeless power as I mentioned earlier. William keely was hired as the original director for the film, and it wasn't until eight weeks in the keely was removed in favor of Michael critise. The studio felt key lease direction was too light hearted and felt the action sequences needed to be bolstered to provide more tension and excitement critise specifically reshot sequences using more camera movement in conjunction with physical movement of the actors, not least of which is the final fight scene in the castle the moment where critise choreographs Errol Flynn and basil Rathbone to move offscreen only to be replaced by their fighting shadows. On the wall is a deft piece of filmmaking that book ends layered Meson Sen. with dynamic editing. Critise not only doubles the sense of movement by utilizing physical movement camera work to the fullest. He then further enhances the dynamism with very. Editing techniques choreographed Meson Sen. as well as layered sound and musical designed propelling. The adventures of Robin Hood to become the timeless action adventure film. We know and love the adventures of Robin Hood was nominated for four Academy Awards winning three. It won the Academy Awards for best art direction best film editing. Best original score. And it was nominated for best picture. Now, it's time for our buzz from the back lot segments and this week. We've got tension between star and director Errol Flynn was not happy. When Michael critise was assigned to the film as he didn't care for critise dictatorial methods and the two clashed often while filming the charge of the light brigade in nineteen thirty six especially over what he an avid horseman saw as critise indifference to the injuries and deaths of many of the horses used in the film. Also, probably didn't help that Errol Flynn was married to critise his former wife lily Dhamija, James Cagney was the studio's original choice for Robin Hood. However when Cagney walked off set the film's producer Hal Wallis made the decision to cast aero Flynn instead against the studios wishes. It was also Wallace's decision to keep made Marian. When the original script writer wanted to dump her character from the script together. Wallace felt Marian was an indispensable fixture of robinhood advice. After the, sir. Joseph oak called the gallows oak in the film where Robin Hood forms his outlaw band was supposedly the largest living oak tree in the world. At the time of filming in nineteen thirty seven the rock that aero Flint stands on in front of the tree is a prop. And the oak was felled by lightning in nineteen seventy nine and only then was it discovered that it was actually two oak. Trees estimated to be one hundred twenty five years old that had fused together over time. And while we're talking about plant life, although shot in California, indigenous English plants were added, and the grass was painted to give a greener more English look to the background while filming Robin hoods escape from the castle. Basil Rathbone was knocked down and trampled by extras causing a spear wound in his right foot that required eight stitches to close out the stunt players. Also were heavy padding underneath steel breastplate over. Laid with some balsa wood to absorb the impact of the arrows. Also Ouch sword. Master Fred Cavins who staged the duals, and captain blood and nineteen thirty five was assigned to make the fight scenes, exciting Cavins believe that dual should be magnified and exaggerated for effect. His approach was to create a routine that was choreographed like a dance with counts and phrases, basil Rathbone was already impressive fencer. So aero Flint trained with Cavins though. Many sources say Flint was less than dedicated to the task and relied more on his innate athletic ability in this area. Liberties were also taken with history, although broad swords that would have been typical for the area were used, but designed as lighter and more manageable replicas the fight scenes Inc. Fencing techniques that would not have actually been developed until decades later when the adventures of Robin Hood was screened for preview audiences the preview audiences reaction was so positive that. The film was released without any alterations to the plot whatsoever. And the film was also so successful that a sequel was commissioned. However, the US government wanted to restrict the amount of money invested in filmmaking at that point in anticipation of joining World War Two. So it was delayed by nineteen Forty-five. When the war was over the project was scrapped because Livia Havilland and Claude rains or no longer employed. At Warner Brothers Howard hill who is listed in the credits. As captain of the archers also played Elwin, the Welshman in the archery contest hill, actually made the shot where we see one arrow split another. And he did all the shots which required hitting human targets. He also worked closely with the sound department to produce the distinctive arrow sounds by using specially made EROs I mentioned in our feature presentation that beautiful cinematography using three strip technicolor while the production used all eleven of the technicolor cameras in existence in nineteen. Thirty eight and they all had to be returned to technicolor at the end of each day's filming. Lastly at the time of release Robin Hood was the most expensive film ever made by Warner Brothers. Jack, Warner approved the initial budget of one point six million, though, the budgets swelled to over two million. Luckily, the film ended up being a tremendous success and the highest grossing Warner Brothers film that year. That concludes our episode on the adventures of Robin Hood, I would love to hear what you think of this. Classic movie must feel free to tweet at movie must pod or Email. Classic movie must at gmaiLcom if you'd like to follow up on the adventures of Robin Hood with a parody of the classical Hollywood action adventure film, then checkout episode sixteen of classic movie musts where we examined the court jester. Starring Danny Kaye. The court jester is a hilarious musical parody of the adventures of Robin Hood, listen to all our episodes on our website causing movie must dot com. Support the show and receive cool perks on patriot like becoming a producer of the show and get your name read at the end of every episode just like Don Hoffman Lee, did thank you very much for your generous. Patronage, Don checkout, all our support tears and rewards over patriot dot com slash classic movie. Musts on the next episode or washing the infamous Sunset Boulevard. Sunset Boulevard is available. 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History in Five Songs 32: Swan Song Records

Rock N Roll Archaeology

26:15 min | 8 months ago

History in Five Songs 32: Swan Song Records

"Hello this is Henry dilts and your listening to rock and roll archaeology history story in five songs with host Martin. Popoff the production Pantheon podcasts. Let's rock out with Martin below their Martin popoff back again for another episode of history and five songs with Martin Martin popoff brought to you by the good folks at Pantheon Media Pleased as always to be part of the Pantheon podcast network. We are on spotify itunes and and forty other pro- podcast platforms okay. So this episode. We are going to call very simply episode thirty two Swan Song Records. This is a suggestion by a faithful listener. Jason Leonard who also a lot of really good comments over on the facebook page As ask as our I mean we have a lot of smart people over there seeing a lot of smart things so I love it. It's it actually feels sometimes more active than my regular facebook a page or my public person page which probably third in line of all these okay so swan song records. Why do I WANNA do this one? So pretty interesting situation. We we know there was an apple records Beatles. We know there was a track record. Who you know? There was a purple records Deep Purple Swan Song is kind of in that same Elk or realm. It was started a May tenth. Nineteen seventy-four basically. Peter Grant. Their manage led Zeppelin's manager Jimmy Amy page the rest of the band. The whole idea was to have a label that they could sign artists that they liked That wouldn't have have to go through the same hassles led Zeppelin went through. I mean one thing they specifically mentioned was was the album cover stuff led. Zeppelin was pretty innovative with their album. Covers not having text on the cover having that the spinning wheel thing and led Zeppelin three and led Zeppelin too not not taxed there on the cover. Stuff like that you know physical graffiti. Were moving on But yeah they did a lot of cool things with Robin covers in. That's one thing they mentioned. But you know so in. In a sense this is them branching branching out it's a it's a vanity label of sorts. But it's also a hey we want we want to give some Some bands a A leg up so You know they came up with this local hypnosis. They're they're awesome. You know revolutionary album cover people designed this logo but then it was illustrated by Joe Pentagonal Future of motorhead to snuggle tooth fame. You know really cool illustrative lots of heavy metal cover art but Particularly motorhead so he came up with this thing. Based on this William Rimmer Emmer old old piece of art work which is more like a you know monochromatic line drawing thing It was called evening or the fall of day But of course all of us looked at that when it came out and we thought Oh. That's Robert Plant So it's got you know very very cool distinctive colors a you know you know the burnt Orange Brown thing in this sort of isthmus figure the only other logos that could compete at the time for looking this cool. Were the Were the Virgin label and then that that really cool vertigo. No one not not the original swirl but later when they had the cool spaceship ones So that was really cool. I'm so so it was off to a cool start. What a great name they had? These massive SUV decadent parties to kick off the label. And then what happened. Well okay. Let's let's play some music. This is the first swansong release ever to come out in the US. This is This is rock. Steady off of bad company Bad Company or bad coach. Take a listen uh-huh alright so So this was the first album to to come out in In America but the first one to come out in the UK was the pretty things. Silk torpedoes You know they were all big fans of the pretty things as well You you know. That's a band that went back to the sixties but bad company so Peter Grant was managing this band and You know what a what a good way to kick off label because this was an absolutely lutely hit band and I don't want to give too much away but basically led Zeppelin and bad company. were the two hit bands on swansong but bad company so they have a past asked going back to free. Everybody loved free. Free was a little bit of a led Zeppelin as well bad companies. You can tell. They're kind of like a simple pared down version of this British British blues. Boom idea. They're kind of like the heavier stuff from free. And the mellower stuff granted cleaned up and made a little more commercial. Obviously the leader of the band. and here's Paul Rogers. We've got Simon Kirk as well. I've interviewed Paul about these days and And essentially he was one of the guys up for the job To be the lead singer of led Zeppelin happened when they were putting that band together so they all thought highly of Paul Rogers. He's in the family and they and they take off and boom they have they have a big hit with this album. Big Hit with straight shooter under your run run with a pack a little less so but but essentially bad company was on uh Swansong all through their whatever it is five or six records sold a lot of records in the states. Something like fifteen million You know they they were essentially You know not a not a lot of bands you could say are of the same ilk of bad company certainly free before them but after them After them it it. It's essentially foreigner. I mean foreigners core sound is really very much like a bad company. Sound so so So that was a cool one. Good good way to Ta- take off on the label either early things There was Maggie. Bell they loved Maggie Bell so again. You know Maggie Bell is like coming from this This roots Iraq situations. She's like maybe a female Robert Plant loosely speaking So that somebody they signed early on they wanted to sign. Where Roy Harper their favorite folk guy? You know hats off to Roy hats off to Harper on on led Zeppelin three. They loved Roy They always wanted to give them a leg up so that was another band but yeah let's let's actually move onto our second song in history and five with Martin popoff here This is a little band you May. You've heard of called led Zeppelin. This is the one on salt. Take a listen all right so definitely wanted to play something off of this album. This was picked to represent the fact that be. You know the core of Swan Song I would say sixty five percent of their business What was led Zeppelin and so the first record to come out on Swan Song Long? This is coming out of there. They WanNa form this label their their previously on Atlantic. They're still going to be distributed by Atlantic but all the records up until now so we've got led Zeppelin we've got to three The untitled or fours Ozo- or whatever you WANNA call it houses the holy so this is the first led Zeppelin album on Swansong. It's double album. This is an album that I've often referred to as My favorite album of all time. But I've also had a few others have said that black Sabbath sabotage queen one dictators. Blood Brothers You know there's there's there's a number of them But and I've often said that you know nine hundred seventy five fiscal graffiti Sabotages seventy-five and sabotage essentially accomplish the same creative goals. Led Zeppelin took two albums to make. So that's when when I give my little dig. It led led Zeppelin because they were constantly giving little digs at black sabbath so they deserve it but I am. I literally like say I think this is the aircraft carrier area of Of Rock records. It's just unbelievably diverse. It's pretty darn heavy. This song you just heard of course is a pretty heavy song You you know an interesting sidebar. This song is it really sounds a lot. Like Lady of the lake later on on rainbows long live rock and roll. But it's up. It's one of the cool heavy songs on this record and of course there's You know Kashmir's on this record. The rover houses the Holy Custard Pie. Heavy one against sick again is really cool. One night flight for cool. Poppy one just a really cool diverse album certainly by far my favorite led Zeppelin album and and one of the one of the biggest sellers obviously early on on Swan Song. So so let's take a little break. We'll be right back. Okay before we move on. I forgot forgot to do this when we were talking about bad company. But you know the odd time along the way I would When I interview these guys you know I would always ask about Swansong I? I don't have a Paul Rogers. I just quote for you here. There's a few other guys that I've I've had You know asked about it but I did ask Mick Ralphs from bad company about Swansong. And here's what he told me so. Yeah well this is a very different set because one set up when we were first involved with Peter Grant and then I think led Zeppelin success. They wanted their own label to have control over the record output so the label was formed. And it's just a label really then we signed to that label then with Zeppelin us. Pretty Things Dave Edmunds. I think Maggie Bell that was the original roster of artists very small label. There were offices in London very very unassuming. I went by the recently to show my wife Or somebody where the officers were and they couldn't believe it was just really an ordinary drab building. Not at all impressive. It was rented from somebody be who owned it but the building is now used as an office record. Company doesn't exist anymore but at least building we used it during the seventies the period of time that we're involved with them Peter Grant was our manager where he also had an office. There are more like one room in this building is just like sort of a terraced house if you like with three floors and he had an office at the top and there was a place you did interviews below. Oh and a reception area below that and I've got another one for you later as we move on but yes that's bad company. What is our third one here? Here so We've got led Zeppelin physical graffiti right so we are up to number three on our history and five songs. Let's take a little listen to this first first of all This is something competition by the band. Detective the ask all right so there you go detective. They fit in this thing. I mean I've often thought to do an episode about this but They fit in this idea of a band who Who could they be? The next led Zeppelin. I mean bad company kind of fits in that as well although they have their creative direction in one direction which is more like the The simple blues and folk version of of led Zeppelin. Detective is almost like it's it's interesting. They're almost like so. This is off of their second album. They only made two two albums This is It it it takes one to know one says it. Yeah that's how we call it. Takes one to know one. The first one was a self title they also have one of these Non Non official Semipro live albums as well But the only made two records leader. The Band is Michael Barr So here they are on Swan. Song records Michael's old band. Silver head was on purple records. So that's kind of interesting but but yeah very interesting sound here you know. I was never a huge fan of this band. It's funny I always put them in the same camp as Lone Star. You know Welshman German Paul Chapman who who future of UFO. They only made two albums they are on. CBS widowmaker They only made two albums. And that's it's you know Ariel Bender again the Martha hoople connection And and mart the Ian Hunter Lescot. Who did Do what is it. Call Dr on and Shouting and pointing pointing shouting something like that so they only made two records this band so so all four of those bands kind of have this confused semi heavy semi trying to be complicated a little Prague a little a little bluesy they you know. They threw a lot into the pot and everybody was essentially confused. So that's widowmaker don't maker Motte Lone Star and these guys detective so But what you hear on. This is Is they definitely had this big big kind of John Bonham sound their drummer was John. Hyde kind of an unknown. Tony Kaye was in the band of Yes fame he sees Michael Barr of course from silver head. He went on to to be a solo artist. And I I I believe a big big actor in the UK so he was like a TV Guy But it's funny one thing. I love about this detective band is is that they have. This pre led Zeppelin sound almost in a way Well okay so so. It's a sound that I think comes into led Zeppelin around the presence album. It's much more prevalent on in through the outdoor. But it's also very very prevalent on Jimmy Page outrider and the two firm albums so it's this kind of coagulated. Fiqh sound this production quality. Certainly coming out of the drums like like you heard in this song. I mean it's very John Bonham on a mask drums out of this band so this was a band that that essentially kind of fizzled. They didn't go anywhere. But you know I also wanted to put them in here because they kind of prove a point that You Know Swan Song was doing a pretty good job with advertising all this stuff. I used to see ads for all these banned all the all the time I mean they were being promoted at these spans. So so yeah. That was detective. The first album cover was just like this black and white detective logo on it and then and then this one had had a picture of the band you know. Michael Barr didn't quite look the party at the short hair. He's kind of had had graham bond thing going later that you saw with rainbow and Michael Schenker but but yeah interesting and I do have a quote from him on here I asked him to compare Purple Records and Swan Song. I think he was back in two thousand fourteen. So Michael Barr says well. They had their pluses and minuses there obviously vanity projects therefore in those days. What a huge mega ban like purple and led Zeppelin Zepplin? Of course is more my taste taste in a sense but you know the wonderful thing about being on Swan Song was That was under the offices of the Great Rock and roll the greatest rock and roll band in the world at the time and indeed arguably the at anytime so therefore the The connection was spectacular by proxy At the same time Bonzo wasn't particularly interested in marketing and promotions. Yes you're part of a conglomerate that perhaps not taking too much notice of the vanity signings superstar bands make. I think if you talked to anybody who's been on a vanity label able they would argue that Being connected with a big band doesn't make you a big band in those days you had to have promotion marketing. Of course it's blissfully different. You can do it all yourself south which is so much enjoy. Let's see what else he say. Silver head X. Pamela Wife Pamela durbar famous Jimmy let's see various. His Cessnas had its pros and cons. What else does he say here? But we went with Zeppelin because of energy of the VIBE. You know one things. Thanks very important you need to understand. We were so stoned any decisions that were made or any sense. Oh Oh gosh. Nobody's paying attention to us. Never occurred to us because we were living in Los Angeles loyalist. We waited a year for Jimmy to produce the album. We'd been given a million dollars. It's a dangerous thing to give young men a million dollars in the city of angels. So we weren't thinking about marketing the promotion. Either we're just making music and having fun on Russia's back those things apply but at the time was fantastic. I mean every band let's see but but Blah underrate that that's about all he has to say about that so so that's detective. I'm moving on. So let's see we've done three. Yeah this is number four This is This is Dave edmunds from his tracks. On wax four album September. Eight thousand nine hundred seventy eight. This is trouble boys. Take a listen I take back up band and the nightspot. Dan's doc on the the with all right so Dave edmunds I kinda like this choice in here because I again it's a it's a little bit. You know like how the Rolling Stones Guys Love You love and revere they're they're They're all blues guys. Dave Edmunds is coming from loves loves sculpture. He's he's essentially coming from the same routes as as leads up on those rock rock and roll roots. Those teddy boy routes So so he has this long history and they you know they want to give this guy a leg up. I mean obviously Dave edmunds later on. Well actually on this album billy. Bremmer Bremner writes this song going by Aka Bill. Murray Bill Murray on this great tune. But you know Nick Lowe's involved involved You know later rockpile. They have a little bit more fame with a with a couple of couple of hits. So Dave's just this. This cool route see rock and roll English gold traditional rocker and the reason I wanted to play trouble boys. I love the vocals on that number one. But the other cool thing about this song thin lizzy covered later on. They didn't put on an album. It was just a single but she. I thought that was kind of cool. So what what a great rock and roll to and again. This is This is these guys. The led Zeppelin guys. Dave Edmunds is is in the camp of wanting to have Roy Harper. Didn't get him but Maggie Bell and that kind of thing just loving loving the old rock and roll so that was a that was trouble boys moving up to number five. We're up to our last one in this history and five songs with Martin. popoff take a listen to this. This is Robert Plant with slowed owed answer all right so I wanted to end swansong on a high note because they don't particularly actually end on a high note But this is truly a high note. So so led Zeppelin is over the tragedy of John. Bonham dying led. Zeppelin is over. They decide we're not gonNA do led Zeppelin anymore but Robert Plant continues on with Swan Song Records and on his off debut album pictures at eleven. A fantastic album You know a little a bit of a cross between I would say detective album and a led Zeppelin album really So again you get that That same coagulated big mix. Although this is this this is cozy Powell on this From Rainbow Fame You know the sound isn't exactly similar are it's it's similar but it's like it's dirty and and it's big and boomy but it's not really in that detective presence in through the outdoor the firm Jimmy page outrider feel but it's a little bit In that respect so I wanted wanted to play you the heaviest and most Zeppelin esque Song Off of this record but there's a lot of cool variety across the the rest of the album as well and it's It's just just a really cool out my remember when it came out. You Know Kinda wrinkled our noses a bit at some of the songs on there. There's there's there's some kind of scattered thrown around tossed off things on the record as swell but it's it's essentially a A really cool album now. What happens after this is that Okay well there's also around this time there's there's the Coda so there's the post post led Zeppelin odds and sods record that comes out But but Robert Plant. This is the last Record four swansong four rubber plant first and last he goes on to form his own sort of swan song called Esperanza Record and records and he continues on With that label so swansong long essentially winds down. I think everybody was kind of Crushed at the death of John Bonham but also Peter Grant is in You know not great health. He's he's pretty obese and And so no one really has their eye on the ball anymore. you know Robert Plant's moved on. The band has has broken up so by by nineteen eighty three They are essentially gone so some of the last things that come out of Swansong. Are you know I'm going to kind of go back. I can give you the entire eighties. There was a band called midnight. Flyer Dave Edmunds Twang Sad. Cafe was another band always compared that Banda Charlie for some reason but so they so. They tried their hand sad cafe. There was a best of Dave edmunds. There was a second midnight. Flyer a mini. L P Jimmy Page's death wish soundtrack actually actually comes out on Swan Song. That's kind of cool February. Fifteenth Eighty two bad companies last record of Paul Rogers era rough diamonds it. It was a bit as bit of a stiff. It didn't do that well. And then Coda and then so we finish off kind of interesting we finish off a little bit full circle with With Simon Kirk back again Dan. Simon Kirk from free fame. You know Pre led Zeppelin and during the early days of led Zeppelin and of course Simon Kirk is the drummer of bad company. Swansong second-biggest his band. So he's back in this band with Feel Susan who eventually goes onto the Ozzy Osbourne band and You know they. They apparently recorded a version of shot in the dark. which is You know the big hit off of Ozzy's ultimate sin album nineteen eighty-six But it's not on this record so it's So Oh he's in the band and And Chris over Lennon Steve Overland Future of FM fame. Not to be confused with the Canadian prog band. FM This is the UK prog band sometimes called FM UK. So there you have it that is that is the story of Swan Song Records. I mean it's it's not. It's not a great story. I suppose in some respects I I I. I love that. They're supporting artists. Along the way I love the beautiful label I mean supporting artists. Along the way that they liked of the kind of the music that they wanted to support Yeah the label and Like I say I mean these bands were were pretty well supported despite what Michael Barr says. I mean certainly bad company. I I suppose it's a little bit of a catch twenty two. If you start doing good they start pouring more money into you and led Zeppelin. Peter Grant. They had tons of money But yeah you I used to see tons and tons of bad company. ADS like say that. That band was massive as well. Of course they recorded headley grange the same way as Zepplin did but that was it that that was the end of Swan Song. And that is the end of our episodes so Yeah go to our facebook page for history of five songs Twitter's well. I'm not the greatest twitter but we have a great facebook page. You can go to my regular dot COM MARTIN POPOFF DOT COM. See all my books I've actually did I did. Led Zeppelin book called Probably my best book the One. I'm most proud of called All the albums all the songs were I had to basically Szekely go into my monastic tower and put on headphones and and review and analyze. Every single led Zeppelin song to the tune of four hundred to five hundred words. 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History in Five Songs 63: Bluesy Hair Metal

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History in Five Songs 63: Bluesy Hair Metal

"This is Danny Court. Argue you're listening to Pantheon odd casts. History in five songs. With host. Martin popoff. A production of Pantheon podcasts. Let's rock out. With Martin. Hello. Once again, Martin popoff back for another episode of history and five songs with Martin popoff brought to you by the good folks at Pantheon. We are part of the Pantheon podcast network available on spotify I tunes pod Bay megaphone over forty other podcasts platforms. Alright. This episode is one that basically had to get done because it bookmarks and other episode. We did an episode way back when he was episode eight or something like that called dirty hair metal we've also done one on hair metal goes grunge something that happened in the nineties and very recently few episodes back. I did one I believe I called it blues for Metal Heads where we looked at You know big seventies bands that we're bringing in elements of the British blues boom and modernizing. And on that one, you know I thought I may still do another episode that looks like that looks at modern bands that I have a very bluesy influence that would still appeal to metal heads but this one and and actually that brought in a couple of the band's we're GonNa talk about here but. You know we're going to stick to the hair metal genre. So yeah, losey handle episode sixty, three bluesy hair metal goes with her dirty hair metal episode and there's a little bit of overlap. But not much because in that episode to refresh your memory we looked at faster. PUSSYCAT. La Guns, skid row. Love hate. kind of the band that started it all guns and roses I would say But this is more at the blues end of things and You know some of these bands I like and some of the band's I I was not that much of a fan of I didn't spend a lot of time with these bands But yeah, one of these bands I really really do like I think well, you'll. You'll hear my enthusiasm for them when we get there but almost more interesting is A little bit of an analysis of kind of where this all comes from I mean obviously it does come from. The British blues boom but not so much. All. Of the British blues boom but more so. More so led, Zeppelin I'm actually GonNa going to talk about them in a little more detail I e the origins when we talk about each one but just to give you the brief story, you know, I always consider sort of the the brief timeline of this basically through led Zeppelin. Aerosmith, and then into the late eighties I mean late seventies with Van Halen now van Halen is not so much. You know a truly blues band, but there's there's a little of that aerosmith sort of danger rat ruggedness just Kinda blew the ethic that you get out of some of the things they do maybe maybe you could call it a jammy ethic but somehow there's a lot of Van halen comes out in some of these bands. We're GONNA talk about as well. Alright. So So yeah, we'll look at we'll look a little more the origins as we as we move along. But. Let's take a listen to our first selection This is Cinderella with the more things change. Fast. Atop. The. All right. So Cinderella is a very interesting band. In this whole thing I mean basically when you think about hair metal, you really think about poison and Cinderella and people talk about the w bands winger and warrant and Whitesnake right. WHITESNAKE WE'RE GONNA talk about a little more because that's kind of an interesting thing in this Cinderella massive ban though their first song our first album night songs goes three times platinum long cold winter goes three times platinum. We, are up into heartbreak station nineteen ninety, and this is kind of an interesting thing here. I'm I'm I'm giving you these chronologically but. You know this kind of go with our grunge episode in in the hair metal goes grunge things they're looking for other things to do. So they're looking to expand beyond kind of the roots of hair metal which are the likes of quiet riot and rat and twisted sister and doc, and where it's more of a pure sunset strip sort of sound. So, blues is one thing that they looked at to to grab onto some sort of integrity to bring some integrity back to what they're doing. So Cinderella right out of the gates, there was an excitement level around them somewhat because they were quite bluesy. In Tom Keefer, you had basically the second coming of Steven Tyler, but he's holding a guitar too and this really ragged voice that almost doesn't even sound human I mean it's it's odd. You know people always talk about that whiskey soaked voice or the Rod Stewart voice you know Allah coming through Peter Chris as freely that kind of thing But this is beyond a rod stewart voice and it's almost a comical sort of sound and I know I you know I was not a big Cinderella Fan. At this time I did not like the productions either I just found them really soupy and river be in noisy but but what you hear on this song. Okay. So this album in itself, I mean and what you hear in this song as well is definitely a lot of that aerosmith ethic coming through but there's a lot of looseness what they do. There's there slide guitar with this band quite often there's horns. End, there's a lot. There's kind of a rolling stones ethics aerosmith had that thing that comes through the rolling stones. You're getting a lot of that here, but you're getting it in kind of a big hair metal band. Now, the other thing is they were from out east so they're not actually from la so that even gives them a little bit of. A little bit of extra. You know extra. So You know people, people kind of looked at. Cinderella in this whole thing where yeah. They kind of looked silly and they had the whole. You know this is part of the blue hair metal thing to you're moving into that that. Gypsy. Look you know that that Steven Tyler thing where where you know there's just this this additional authentic authenticity to it. It's a little bit of a you know with the cowboy boots and everything it's a little more It's a little more down home and route see. And so so this band did get You know they did get a look in, they did get a listen and obviously they did with with two records going three times platinum. This is like sticks right sticks as always the band that reminds me of the the the triple platinum band regularly band I it's funny. You know some bands go diamond and sell seven times platinum and some dance have a lot of golds or whatever. But there's not too many bands that are in this really nice range where you know big big record sales but not not the diamond record sales. Okay, so So let's move on. Our second selection take a listen to this this badlands with whiskey dust. All. Right. So this is a really interesting case. If Cinderella comes more from aerosmith and the stones I, would say Dan DHS. On. The first album come a little bit more from whitesnake. Now I WANNA talk about Whitesnake because I. I'm not I'm not including Whitesnake in this thing because you know I steadfastly don't want to call them. Purely a hair metal band and and I didn't want to give an example I. in fact, if I put something in later from here, it wouldn't even sound that particularly Lucy but but whitesnake really came from. You know. I consider there to be essentially. Three eras of whitesnake before the break up, and the first one is the very bluesy hard rock band. Before they even had songs where it sounded like they were going to be hits and they were kind of struggling the second air I consider almost like the kiss era of whitesnake where the songs are really stripped down really straightforward but they're still pretty bluesy and the last era is the overblown hair medal era where you know the hair's all. Platinum. Highlights and all that kind of thing and the massive John Sykes. Sound. And Steve Vai Adrian Vanderberg, and all that stuff. But you know they they did have this this early this earlier and I consider the The first badlands album, the self titled, album a little bit of more of like a an influence from Whitesnake maybe a cross between. The middle era in the second era, it's a little more stadium rock little more straightforward, but I wanted to play something from Voodoo highway because this is where they really They really start getting blues year and it was just very self evident right from the start that they were. They were kind of on their way down the trajectory was not gonna be big with this. You could tell with the salve because it is definitely not as Hooky it's a little more What would you call it? Jammie rudimentary definitely not as heavy definitely not as as hair mentally and power cordy, and you can hear that in the song whiskey dust. So so yes, still still somewhat of a whitesnake influence, but I think you know you might WanNa bring in You know all those bands, everybody talks about that. I can never become a fan of for some reason like like humble pie in the faces you know I'm just not a big fan of these bands, right? But you're getting a little bit of that in here and Jackie Lee is just. Like he's a total artist that's the thing with the guy he he basically is following his muse and you can hear that in the later material as well the red dragon cartel and all that stuff. What was it was that weird. So called pink mist or something So so this is a guy and you know even the look of the guy. Right. You know even him with you. Know with the lot of the bracelets in the kind of look to him and stuff you know. So this is all this is all part of the you know the the visual virtual virtue signaling if you if you want that that shows that I'm not a hair metal guy I'm a roots rock guy, and frankly again, it all comes back to kind of the fashion sense of a Steven Tyler. As, basically channeled a little bit through You know the more outland, your stuff that the stones would wear or led Zeppelin but really Steven Tyler is the guy that that basically You know he's he's almost like the you know the grandfather of this bluesy metal thing because you know hair metal hair metal just in general even the dirty hair metal thing and the standard hair metal thing whatever I mean a lot of it aerosmith is a big part of it Okay. So that's it for that's it for while let me just say this about badlands so. Just to run the trajectory I mean basically, this was it for them. They have the two major label records. This came out in June of ninety one. So again, very important year because in September ninety one, that's when we get nirvana coming and these bands were were always they were going to be on the chopping block. anyways. So they are on the chopping block because of grunge, but they kind of there was this big trend to try more authentic even as often the horizon they were seeing grunts coming down the pipes. So basically, it Kinda all started with guns and roses. So you had his dirty hair metal thing crossed with the bluesy hair metal. But basically, the the theme, both of those is they were getting away. From the early poison hair metal thing or the or quiet riot or docking or twisted right? Or Rat. You know something just a little more straightforward although I was considered rat pretty cerebral But yeah. So so you you hear these bands trying something before. They go into the thing we covered in the other episode when they all lost their major deals and we're essentially trying something a little more grungy. Saying that comes from an insincere place. I mean, you just get excited about current music and influences in and you try these certain things but but this was this was kind of the last thing they were trying on their own, not being influenced by GRUNGE. This bluesy metal. All right. Let's take a break. We'll be right back. All right back again here on history and five songs with Martin Popoff. We are calling this bluesy hair metal episodes sixty three Our. Our third selection is well, let's take a listen. We'll discuss this is great white with I. Want You. All right. So I wanted to pick this one You know one thing I wanted to do with all of these picks I didn't WanNa pick like a standard blues like a stripper blues or on. Anything like that and I didn't WanNa pick like a straight blues e ballot because believe me all these bands have a bunch of that stuff and that's another thing You know bands get into when you're blue hair metal band you have. Across the album you're definitely going to have some some ballads you're definitely going to have some aerosmith stuff. You're probably going to have a big large blues well So I, wanted to keep you entertained at least as well. Right So yeah, this is from psycho city and again great white was a band a little bit like A little bit like Cinderella that they got an extra sort of look in because they had they had some routine as to them. They had this this aura of authenticity to them, and there's comes from kind of a led Zeppelin thing in in Jack Russell who had this great voice but it is kind of a Robert Plant sort of voice and you and you hear a little bit of that in this in this song I for here. Now again, a wanted to stress you know. We are going we're going chronological. So this is from psycho city I mean they had they had a platinum album they had a double platinum album. They had a gold album just before this but this one you know that they're you know the logos gone, the look is different I. think what is it got here? I got it handier. It's got yeah. It's got the the old Rose Motel Sign Right Vacancy Pool Saco city satellite in colored. So so this is all part of being on Fenwick band. You go on the road, your road band, right? Actually the logo is still there, but it's really muted. But but it's yeah, it's funny. You look you look at this. So there is a song called old. Rose Motel. Big Goodbye. Dr Me. You gotTa have doctrine there because a humble pie you gonna Doctor on your blues. Hair. Metal love is ally get on home homes got to be in in in somewhere in a blues hair metal never trust a pretty face. So everything on here is sounding. Know. Way And you know Kudos to great white I mean they. They basically kept making lots and lots of records and they did you know kind of keep exploring this bluesy thing that they they more or less came by the they came by honestly right Mark Kendall Michael Artie, Guitars Audi this is funny. Audie Deborah has browse on drums but Ghana's Tony Montana at this point and I've seen some. I've seen some interesting sort of your email things from industry buddies saying, where's Dave Dave beast the Dave the beast spits right? You know he was You know he's he's basically on here as a As as a guest basis because a no Tony. Montana. But otherwise, it's it's a pretty authentic lineup for the band. But again, you know they're going into this album and it does still have a kind of the big riffs in their hair metal stuff going on but but you can just tell even even when they kind of adjust the album graphics a bit. Now mind you this is nineteen, ninety two but you could tell there's they're searching the end. They know they just know at this point and the record label knows at this point everybody knows that that they're just. Not. GonNa be around for a long time and it's and it's not gonNA be Great. So so you you know it's almost like These bands are somewhat freed up from the shackles of turning in You know these big hits in these big videos and they do explore mic that they like in great white like I say come comes to this blues hair metal led Zeppelin anything of very honestly because that's what they were into. All right. So next selection take a listen this this is poisoned with bring it home. There we go. There's the home thing again, take a listen. We. Do even bigger. found. So, Bret Michaels is a funny one right? You know he's he's got the the marbles in the mouth, the the GRUNGE Yariel you know that he's always Kinda had. So there is this Yaro thing that that Eddie vedder was was guilty of right but it's also something that's a little bit of a country. Western thing. Isn't it? So? I'm Brett's come at that and Brett is is a perfectly normal looking guy in a in a cowboy hat right? He's got his little stylized cowboy hat and his whole look is very Steven Tyler but he's definitely you know a roots rocker. Cowboy. Jon Bon Jovi kind of thing remember John. Bon Jovi, did you know this kind of music? On his own solo album I believe it was pretty pretty bluesy. But. So. Brett, is a little bit of that kind of guy and and again you know where also does some of this come from you know it's a little more with Bon Jovi. Poison it does come from a little bit of that You know that heartland the New Jersey Bruce springsteen thing or the John Cougar Mellencamp John, Mellencamp route see thing farm aid, all that right country. Western but essentially, you know once poison gets up into this native tongue album now now granted Irit cots and is the guitarist. This is this is the last before the long break it's it's the one. It's the one without C C Deville but What you hear across this album is, is again a lot at a lot of aerosmith. Poison is sort of the the manufactured confectionary version of aerosmith early on right and very Glam, of course to but. You know seven days over you. Theatre soul you know a in A. Hotel new. Orleans you know all that kind of stuff. Right? Stand is the big hit and that's basically your your acoustic heartland. sappy hair metal ballad. When you go into this blue zone until you suffer some fire and ice. But you know is pretty big album And and again. You know deep this thing you know and at this point it's so funny how Cinderella and poison basically follow this parallel career path deep into you know trying to get across that they have all this blues authenticity whether they do or not you know frankly I don't think so or didn't think so I certainly didn't think. So at the time because I ignored these records, I did not really care for either of these bands a whole heck of a lot my funny story with poison I suppose that I. A, much more of a fan whereas. Stuff. So you know. I I actually became more of a fan once I got to be interviewing them regularly and meeting them and being in person with them at Molson amphitheatre at those big you know hair metal packages and stuff. So. When the greatest hits album came out I love the rarities on that I I actually really liked hawley weird. I. Thought that was a good album and I really liked the stuff on. You know power to the people crack a smile and more. You know so I'm I'm a weird poison fan. The same way I'm a weird who fan because I love face dances and it's hard but. So I I it's almost like when poisoned basically decided that we're just going to be poison. And we're just going to keep doing what we're doing and it was in the face of they were almost the band that was out there when when hair metal made that little comeback. To. Be The band that unapologetically said, we're GONNA, keep doing the same thing and I thought the you know the songs that they were doing in those later eras were were better than the early stuff but. But no, I just thought it was you know Definitely. They they fit so so much this is okay and we're into nineteen ninety-three right. So so again, they're they're a band that is in this zone that you know if grunge isn't gonNA be becoming to us and you know poison is one of these bands that did not ever try that sort of grunge route thing. The thing that is becoming to us is is these blues roots You know whether whether like I say how authentic it is or not It's still something they could feel that we could try that is different from. Hair metal that is also not grunge, right so So yeah, let's let's move on actually. I just wanted to mention yet ain't that ain't that the truth as well. a very aerosmith. So the main band in terms of the theme of where does where does poison come from I would say I would say again it's Aerosmith Bret Michaels is like the second coming of Steven Tyler, the band second coming embarrassment. So so this is their big source ban. All right. So last one take a listen to this. This is choirboys, tramps and thieves. Dominance. Savings. Bears you. All right. So now we are also in nineteen ninety-three. This is the second and last Choirboys, Aka London choir boys album before before they break up and they go away and credit to them as well. They come back and they make a lot of records I mean. They come back and are very, very prolific but. I hated this ban when I came out because they were. So they were you know basically, if you liked heavy metal or hair metal this was the band and it's fitting that they You know I'm picking it as number five because this is the band that said, let's just put almost all of that aside and literally just be the Blues e, the Blues e Band I mean not even blues a hair metal but bluesy also but still coming from this manufactured sort of hair metal world I don't know it's hard to explain I I just rubbed me the wrong way. Right? Right. You know right from the start with seven o'clock time to party or would've called right. and. That album a little bit of what you fan I hated that title to was just very annoying to me. I. I did not want to hear an even blues year version of Cinderella or a blues, your version of of poison and speaking of Cinderella I mean spike on vocals sounds pretty much exactly like Tom for that same inhuman raggedy, very raggedy sort of voice you know Janice. Joplin, you might say as as a predecessor to this whole thing as well. But But yeah. So where this band comes from and their UK band, which is very different I mean there were very few UK bands of any sort of hair metal ilk that ever made it remember what were they called Angels Lit- Little Angel. Wild angels something like that I can't I. I'm forgetting but and there was a print princess taking I think was from there and then even back to the new wave of British heavy metal days you know people started try to hair metal like wrath child in shy and those kinds of bands and Jaguar went light and savage went light but basically hair metal and the UK did not get along but this ban was so sob- Losey and a major label thing and they had a lot of push behind him. Rumor Nigel MOGG was in the ban bass and vocals and he's I think he's a cousin of Phil Mogg. But so where does this band come from This band comes very very directly as you can hear in this song from the Rolling Stones, Matt the, hoople funniest talking to. Pete Pardo. I've been going on a sea of tranquility show a fair bit and we talked about Scott to be few bands where you just try and try and try and you just don't like you're supposed to like Martha. Hoople is kind of one of those I love later Ian Hunter, but Martha hoople not so much So this is coming from a place of actual rolling. Stones. Motte. The hoople faces you know certainly seventy s versions of bases even Rod Stewart's Solo and. Even also in a way this kind of you know, I wanNA throw something later in here because there's a manufactured since to it. 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#701 Band Reunions, Opinions on Vampire Weekend

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#701 Band Reunions, Opinions on Vampire Weekend

"Sound opinions is supported by goose island pairing beer and music since nineteen Eighty-eight goose island beer company, Chicago, Illinois, listen critically. Enjoy responsibly from the governor's mansion to reality TV to federal prison. WBZ Chicago presents public official eggs the story of rod Blagojevich. Download public official a now wherever you get your podcasts. This is Eric glass. I'm going to be at the auditorium theatre. Talking about seven things I've learned in years of interviewing people and making radio stories it's going to be Saturday, June twenty seconds to get WBZ dot org slash events. From WBZ, Chicago and PR X. This is sound opinions. I'm Jim dear goddess, Greg cut. Now, if a bad reunites with only one of its original members is it still the original band. If you go to see journey without Steve Perry, and you have as good a time as you would have with Steve Perry in journey who gets hurt. We'll discuss whenever union is really a reunion plus vampire weekend is at with their first new album in six years. We're going to give heartaches. That's all coming up on sound opinions. You're listening to sound opinions and later in the show, Greg. We are going to be talking about reunion tours. This summer is lousy with them. Some of them are good. Some of them are not when does a reunion work. And when doesn't it? We'll try to dive into that. But first, let's review some new music. Some now if says in December. Perfect great surrender. But they don't remember. That's a little bit of harmony hall a track from the new vampire weekend album, father of the bright the fourth vampire weekend studio album. It's I in six years the last one came out in two thousand thirteen this quartet out of Columbia University in New York, circa two thousand six Jim remember the hype when that self titled debut album came out in two thousand eight it was unbearable anticipation. Here's a new wave indie rock band. Flirting with these world music rhythms and their debut record top by Ezra, Coningsby English major lyrics and we've had a couple of albums since then they have grown from a much hyped debut album into a major festival act contra came out in two thousand ten modern vampires of the city in two thousand thirteen they've been playing various festivals in the year since and meanwhile, working on this fourth studio album. Is finally out. Father of the bride is here. Here's another track from it before we were review it it's called married in a gold rush on sound opinions. Something's happening in the country. And the government's blame. We got married and go. And the has never failed the same. Shit. Kisan porn. And the sad gold. Bring pay. Please don't say. This. That is married in a gold rush by vampire weekend from its fourth album, father of the bride, Greg as were coning and the boys have been describing it as their springtime album there sunny Albany at one point he sings presented with darkness. We turn to the light could have been smart. We're just unbearably bright unbearably bright, and they have been from day one. I've had serious problems with this band starting with as RAs voice. It bugs me continuing. With the lyrics used to be Oxford commas and mansard roofs and court shot. And now he's named dropping Diego Garcia and heats and Yates. Days and days. I mean, it's sort of tongue in cheek over the top pretension, but it's annoying. Nonetheless. Then there's the big cultural appropriation of poll Simon's, cultural appropriation of great, South African rhythms. I went back to our previous reviews of vampire weekend records. You know? I said something nice about contra I do think this is one of the best rhythm sections in rock today and live especially much more. So than on record in some of those festival settings you were mentioning I have had a good time to vampire weekend because it's impossible to resist those rhythms. The worst thing about this record is that it's all in one mid tempo groove. It's as if as Russia has gotten tired of ripping off Graceland era poll Simon and now is like doing a little Graceland complete with this. Oh, eight oh, choirs, right. But mainly doing, you know, Simon and Garfunkel without the Garfunkel harmonies. It's a full record stuck in a mid tempo groove issues. Like, I never want to have to listen to this record. Again. I resent you for wanting to even review it, I don't know who missed vampire weekend over the last six years. But I certainly didn't whatever they had. They gave us on the first two records. There is just no point for this band exist in twenty nineteen. Well, I don't know. I think there's there's a lot of fans out there who would totally disagree with you. I mean, they're festival headlining banner one of the few rock bands. See, but I see that as an. And draw big crowd, which is saying something in this era when when rock is no longer on the ascent. I think what's happening here is I'm hearing this is more of an Ezra coning solo record under the guise of vampire weekend. There's there's very much a sense that he's kind of the main guy in the band. I guess he always has been as the singer and lyricist and kind of driving engine musically. But as he said, Jim, I think the the rhythm section was very strong. I think they were emphasizing some of those multicultural rhythms. More Vatican on the earlier records, you know, there was a lot of Paul Simon. Art, pop on top of these kind of you know, exotic grooves. And that was a good thing or a bad thing, depending on your point of view. There was some people who accuse them of cultural appropriation, which you know, had a certain amount of truck, you know, who are these Columbia University students playing these South African grooves. But as pure pop at nnl check, you know, check your brain. The door. Listen to it as as just a pure pop experience. I think they made some catchy songs there are more catchy songs on this record. But you are right. That it is more in one sort of area. More contempt of there's sort of a a country feel. He's mentioned Casey musk graves as an influence, and there are three distinctively country ish not country, but country ish hold you. Now. Keeps one Alaska. Married in a gold rush we belong together. Another country vibe what I find interesting is the number of guests on this record. There's members Beck span. Dirty projectors Heim Jenny Lewis. It seems to be more of this project around the as Rick Oni experience. I don't I'm not greatly disturbed by this record, nor am I greatly inspired by it. I think it's kind of like to me. It's a pleasant pop record. I can understand why people like it. It's catchy. And and certainly isn't going to disrupt anyone's day, but at the same time, I don't find it all that challenging my life is too short for pleasant, man. That's one of those rock critic weasel words, the only one worse is interesting. Well, but it's accurate. Unfortunately, it's accurate. And I think that exactly the way I experienced this record is that I don't I don't I'm not offended by. I'm just not moved by either. But enough of our pleasant opinions. We wanna hear from you what you think of the new vampire weekend album, call eight eight five nine eighteen hundred and. Leave us a message coming up. We'll talk to music journalist, rob Tannenbaum about ban reunions. Are they worth it? That's in a minute on sound opinions from WBZ, Chicago NPR ex. Best sound opinions is supported by goose island. The brewers of next coast. I three one two urban wheat ale and bourbon county stout pairing beer and music since nineteen eighty eight they believe it's always best to listen critically and enjoy responsibly goose island beer company, Chicago, Illinois, sound opinions is supported by Superpuma records presenting wounding the new album from Sweden's Daniel Norgren NPR music calls Daniel, Northerns, wounding, ethereal and entrancing. This debut is an exciting mix of blues folk and rock Daniel Wu. Tang is available now on all streaming platforms and on CD in vinyl from Superpuma records. Find out more at super Puma records dot com. Welcome back to sound opinions. I'm Greg Kat here with Jimmy regattas and hey summer's coming and along with the sunshine and the warmer temperatures. Thank you, very much comes a myriad of music festivals and big arena tours, and we're gonna see a lot of reunited bands. That's what that really means. This summer we've already gotten not the hoople on the road, plus heart Tang clan. Hootie and the blowfish I've been that. And then there are the reunited band's who were always playing like sticks and foreigner. However, many original members of these bands have died become a strange or are afflicted with health issues that prevented them from touring at all or performing at all. And sometimes there's only one original member of the group left and not even maybe the lead singer guitars. So we question is that really a reunion and as a music fan. Do you care music journalist, rob Tannenbaum recently wrote about this topic of reunions for the New York Times? Rob welcome to sound opinions. Hi, guys. Thanks for having me. Oh, you're most welcome. It is a chronic problem in the summer of the big arena shed tour season. The the thing. I miss least about having been pop music critic at the sometimes this challenge of going to see a band, and then you're looking on stage at the ban, and you barely recognize anybody in the. It was advertised as sticks, but where's Dennis young? And so on and so forth. You started this piece in the New York Times about Martha hoople I did. And it's really just Ian Hunter. Well, he can't really do. A reunion of the nineteen seventy-two Martha hoople because there were four other guys. Two of them are dead and one is incapacitated by a stroke. So that kind of damp dampens a reunion. But what he did. I thought demonstrated an unusual level of honesty. He's not calling this month, the hoople, which he probably could do legally he could probably put together a band with the three of us and all that the Hoopoe, but this line of the touring with is the nineteen seventy four addition of Martha hoople, the the final lineup of the band. And so he's calling this Martha hoople seventy four. And when I saw that I thought why aren't more bands doing things that are that honest that are that forthright with their fans and the answer the question is because. They're going to sell your tickets them way. Do you think that happened with with Martha hoople because that to or seems to be getting universally positive accolades? Well, and maybe this will be the test case that makes sticks changed their name from sticks to sticks minus Dennis deyoung. Well, Dennis the young tours playing the music of sticks, right? Sending alban. Jin see? While sticks who putatively hate Dennis deyoung tour with a guy who's imitating Dennis deyoung while singing Dennis deyoung song. Right. Right. Dennis. Two. Faced. Me. I think one of the things about sticks is that they tore relatively frequently without Dennis deyoung. I think the one difference here with the Martha hoople towards very limited tour. It's the first time they've been in the United States and forty five years. So there's a selling point there. You know, it it. It's almost like you could throw any version of the hoople up there. And there would be a core audience out there to see that show their playing theaters or not overplaying, you know, not doing the arena the stadiums. What kills me robbed on this has been an ongoing story as you? Well know for decades now we've seen these reunions, which are partial reunions. I remember I drew kind of the line in the sand. One of my favorite bands of all time. The who got back together again after Keith moon died, and I said that's not the who anymore without Keith moon. He was not the lead singer. He was not the songwriter. But he was a critical part of their sound. And I didn't see it as the who anymore. But you're right. If they went out as Townsend Daltry and Entwistle at that time would have been a totally different set of parameters from a a money standpoint. So it simply cases he said money talks. How can it legit journey fan though? Go out and see journey without Steve Perry. Singing those songs. Let me explain how because at the top of this segment, you said that this is a chronic problem and having written an article about this. I'm now going to counter argue that it's not a chronic problem. And the reason is the three of us talking today and probably most of the people who are going to listen to this show have abnormal relationships with music. It is way too important to us. We spend way too much time thinking about it talking about it analyzing it most people just want to hear some good songs and party. So if you go to see journey without Steve Perry, and you have as good a time as you would have with Steve Perry in journey who gets hurt. And there are plenty of people like that Phil Carson who manages foreigner abandoned tours with only one original member who sometimes isn't present for the shows. Phil Carson said ninety percent of the audience doesn't even know who's in foreigner. And that may sound like he's insulting his own band. But I think he's just giving a realistic depiction of the landscape. Most fans don't know don't care personally. I love the ban television television for the last couple of years have been playing without Richard Lloyd, the second guitarist, I am not going to go see them. Right. Get it. Right. To me without Richard, Lloyd. It's not television. Right. But I'm crazy. Well, see I can see both sides of this impart. If it is not all of the original musicians or the people that originally had this chemistry together, the wrote these songs crafted this sound why not just go see the country bear jamboree. Let's get some animatronic dummies up there playing this music. If it doesn't matter to the fans, they can hear this music, you know, craft work if we wanna get heady about it. You know, pioneered this postmodern Similac room of the band when as a group they never much liked touring. So they sent the robots out to do. Why not just do that? Don't you think if that was feasible gene Simmons would have done? I'm one guy that will do that is gene Simmons kiss franchises. Getting are are the future, you know, on the other hand, like, for example, you know, the cover bands that exist that do all of Genesis album, lamb, lies down on brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. They're better than good. If you saw Rutherford and banks today. There. You wouldn't do that good of a wouldn't. No, they're doing. We can't dance, you know. And I want to hear the lamb lies down on Broadway. Right. Right. Well, here here's the difference. Here's why cover bands or a separate category. We know they're cover bands. If you took that exact ban that exact Genesis cover band and put them on stage and played the exact same music and called them. Genesis people would be happy. Yeah. And they'd sell out at arena instead of a twelve hundred seat menu. Yeah. Yeah. That's a here's another example that I wrote about in my article blood, sweat and tears nineteen late nineteen sixties blues rock band at New York. Down spin. And we. That at one point had eight original members. Now, even the phrase, original members leads you into a swamp of legality because we're they actually members where they legally contractually members of the band that they co own the trademark and eventually blood, sweat and tears ends up with just one guy. Bobby Columbia, the drummer the drummer. All about the horns for that band. Right. All they've got is the drummer. So Bobby Colombey continues on with different lineups for awhile and then David Clayton. Thomas who was not the original singer says, hey, let me tour blood, sweat and tears, so Bobby Colombey rents the name to David Clayton Thomas. Now, they don't like the the word rent. They like license, but it's renting and then at some point David Clayton Thomas realizes, this isn't viable anymore. So he gives up name Bobby Columbia gets it back. And he starts putting together. A band of guys who are very good players who have no historical connection to blood, sweat, and tears and his argument is that going to see the band now is the equivalent of going to see the Yankees. This metaphor is a little bit sketchy. But it it gets it. Something you go to see a Yankees game. You know, you're not gonna see Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig. You're seeing a legacy. Did your detector? Yeah. Pin? The other BS detector alarm bell that went off again. And again, reading your fine. And witty piece is the use of the word brand. I mean to me, you know, rob. That's just a nethon to any art critic to any true fan of art to think of it as a brand. And yes, I know in the post modern era Warhol didn't often didn't have anything to do with some of the pieces that were signed Andy Warhol he had his factory and Jeff Koons. Does that today? Right. Let me ask you all the times that you have made this argument has it ever changed anything. No, no, no. What is a critic rob Tannenbaum one of our favorite colleagues if not the lone wolf crying in the wilderness. That's a good point. Yeah. I mean, so the critics want original band reuniting and nothing short of that. I think that's kind of the the standard you're saying. And what you're saying is that's a completely ridiculous criterion. Well, it's not that it's ridiculous so much as it's unrealistic. If you want to see a band with only it's original members. I hope you like you too. Yeah. Because there aren't a lot of other bands that can do that. Right. And as I said in the article for journey fan. The choice isn't journey with Steve Perry or journey with Steve Perry impersonator, it's semi journey or no journey at all. What is a reunion? That has worked that has perhaps equalled. Or exceeded the original band. Roxy music. True. That's true. Yeah. Oxy music takes a little sabbatical. They come back. They make flesh and blood and apple. And even seeing Roxie on that reunion tour. What is it about a decade ago record two thousand one? Yeah. So you know, e-e-e-e-no, obviously know any job, so they don't believe. Right. But it was a nice. It was a good tour. Yeah. Absolutely. And it meant a lot to me because I had seen the original Roxy music only ones, you know, rob one of things it's really interesting to me is you can have the departure of some member who was key instrumental for decades at times, and it seems to matter not a whit to the audience. I think of the Rolling Stones poor Bill Wyman, you know. I mean, he's been gone now decades nobody cared. Nobody cared the day after he left and yet, you know, one of the greatest rhythm sections in rock history. On the other hand, you give Fleetwood MAC to that audience without Stevie, right? All the sudden it goes down from twenty two thousand seats the United Center too. If they are lucky the Chicago theatre or smaller, right and Fleetwood MAC are hilarious example, because the only constant in the band is the bass player in the drummer, right, right? Like most people do people care about the bass player in the most people don't that's who the bans named after though. Yeah. Mac, John mcvie and Mick Fleetwood. But don't you think Greg that if Christine and Stevie toured, especially with Lindsay, right? And there was no Fleetwood or MAC, nobody would care. Nobody would nobody would miss those guys would still still gum that show Rena ship that would be three nights at the arena. Yep. Lutely. And the ultimate statement on Fleetwood MAC, I think came in nineteen seventy four when they were on tour. Mic Fleetwood drummer found out that Bob Weston was having an affair with his wife and Mick band and said the tours over, but they had been paid advances. So the manager decided that they were going to fulfil those dates, and he put together a fake Fleetwood MAC and went out on the road and toured now there are people who I call them reunion truth IRS, they're people who will not thank you who will not go see a band unless it's all the original members. And although the three of us have our own unique versions of that. Right. There there bands for which we have a guideline that might seem arbitrary to other people. The extreme fringe edge of that. Is there are people who think that the Rolling Stones ended when Brian Jones leftward, and that's not the real stones. True. Yeah. And I think probably most people would agree. That's crazy. But everything else is just a small variation on that crazy. Yeah. I'm admitting that I am very conflicted. And I'm sitting here today. Chagrined now via my Facebook feed that I did not go see Nick Mason plays the music of Pink Floyd. I mean, he's only the drummer. Right. But the settlers was extrordinary. He's playing songs from source AFL secrets he's playing like why didn't I go? I should've gone. I mean apart leading go because it was like three hundred bucks. If you had gone. Do you think you would have felt happy? Yeah. Probably I'm drummer. He's a drummer. He's one of my favorite drummers, you know, and hey, they were always in the dark lighting. Anyway, who the hell knew what Roger waters look like, I don't know I'm conflicted. So let me suggest that I have a similar conflict. I wrote this piece for the times as a reporter. And when you reporting for the times, you don't really get to express an opinion. I am also a critic, although let's face it. There are about three jobs left for critics in the United States of America. And by by the time this airs there will be too. One of us is going to get fired casino. If you pledge if you support public radio keep our job. So while I can say that I believe journey and foreigner are doing services the wrong word, but if they're making people happy than their reunions are legitimate. If the New York Times hired me next week to go review, a quadruple Bill of journey foreigner. Yes. And blood, sweat, and tears. I probably would have to say that the music was not that great. Yeah. Rob Tannenbaum has been our guest on sound opinions on that note. We can we didn't learn anything confused as we were where we're reassured though that rob is a critic and the music lives on minus familiar faces. All joking aside a great piece in the New York Times. Thanks, rob for being on the show. Hey, thanks for having me guys know, we want to hear from you. Listeners. Do you go to reunion tours? What's one band? You wouldn't see or one you absolutely couldn't miss if they reunited, call eight five nine thousand nine hundred and leave us a message with your response, and why coming up, Jim, and I share some of our favorite band reunions that have worked for us equaling or even exceeding the original. That's in a minute on sound opinions from WBZ, Chicago and PR s. Let's be honest. There's too much news to catch up on especially after a long day at work. But WBZ Chicago has your back our new daily newsletter the rundown will keep you informed with the five biggest local, national and international stories delivered right to your inbox. Subscribe for free by texting rundown. Two three zero six four four. This season on loss notes. How does it feel to be like a girl playing an instrument? Well, how's a feels of a man has to questions? I mean what? From Jessica hopper. Unless notes we explore music's untold stories and this season. We're looking at artists legacies. Do they hold up just feel like it's up? Jeff defying women embarrassing. You seventeen years old. You can't just write it off as being seventeen years old. Subscribe now wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to sound opinions. I'm Greg caught with Jim dear goddess, and this week we're talking about band reunion tours now in the last segment, we talked to write a rob Tannenbaum about whether or not it's important for bands to have all their original members for a reunion. Now, we want to talk about some reunions that we actually loved and thought exceeded in some ways the originals Jim your first. Well, Greg, I would I would usually go to wire or the feelies, but I've given them more than enough love over the years on this show. I think they're they're bands that have in their second and some cases third ax topped or at least as good as the first act, but I'm going to talk about a band the Buzzcocks we paid tribute to Pete Shelley when he died late last year. I made this point then and I want to reiterate it now. I think absolutely the most melodic band to burst out of the UK punk scene in seventy six seventy seven with those first three albums. Absolutely amazing, seventy eight seventy nine timeless songs. I mean. Beatles. Good writing between Shelley and Diggle leading that ban. They reunited I saw the tour with the original rhythm section. John Mayer on drums was fantastic live. They were playing the old hits. And then a different rhythm section members came in and out, but it was always the key. You know, was was always Diggle and Shelly. So I didn't feel that the new rhythm sections took anything away. And I think they made two records every bit as good as the first time around there were several in the second incarnation. In fact, more altogether, if you count them up than in the first incarnation, but my two favorites where the EP that they burst out of the gate with when they came back together in nineteen Ninety-three trade test transmissions, and I think a really really good record in two thousand six flat pack philosophy. You know, one of the things we've always said is when a band comes back together was their unfinished business, and I think that no matter what Lennon McCartney would have done if they ever reunited after. The solo years and the break up of the Beatles. It would have been fascinating to hear them again, those two voices together, again, even if they wrote separately as they often did, you know, I think Shelley and Diggle just to voices that were meant to go together. And until the beneficially ended with Pete Shelley's death last year. I think they were fantastic. Always. Make me depends. That. That is the Buzzcocks with flat pack philosophy the title track from that two thousand six out. I loved it. Greg an anon- too key. No less. Yeah. The bus still maintain very high standard in that reunion, which was great to see and was also great to see that a lot of people in America North America got to see the bus Cox because advan, you know, didn't get over here that much back in its eligible incarnations. It was great that they were able to not only get a victory lap. But, you know, produce some new music that was, you know, up to par with with the with the great stuff that people loved originally. And that's really the key for me when you reunite why are you doing this is is just simply do it for nostalgic reasons, or is it to create something new and fresh that upholds the legacy that you originally had and I think that was very much true of a tribe called quest. The great hip hop group. New york. They reunited in recent years to play some festivals and actually put out a fantastic six. And as it turns out final album in two thousand sixteen called we got it from here. Thank you for your service. The original members were all originally involved in that record MC five dog died in two thousand sixteen just as the record was being completed and the subsequent tour after that record came out was in many ways attribute to five dogs legacy. In addition to play powerful new tracks. I think the song we the people is as strong as anything the band recorded in its original heyday. And it was so on the Mark in terms of what was happening in the world at that time, you know, what the whole immigration debate, this whole idea about closing borders from from group that open borders that was all about opening up the borders of what hip hop could be in the nineties and continue to do it in its second incarnation. When it came back in the last few years with with q tip and Ali Shaheed Muhammad as part of the group as well as Girotti white who was in the group in. It's a very very earliest. Days left amicably in nineteen Ninety-one and then returned appropriately enough for the reunion. So I think that was one of the most successful reunions I've ever seen. The H one has a show that you. Kilty radically. Been living in fishbowl here now outta shot at whole. Much bigger. Humus goal. Boy. The smog of media false nowadays that came up against the odds, we not with the boss is that McAfee. This is Betty and streets. In. About. To own talking about hitting only one in auto ones. We got. That was a little bit of we the people from a tribe called quest. Really strong reunion album. We got it from here. Thank you for your service. What do you got next Jim in terms of a great reunion? Greg. We are both huge fans of Neil young in almost all of his many incarnations for almost half century doubt. But I think every dedicated meal young fan, certainly you and me knows that he is never better than when he reunites with the horse Crazy Horse as drummer I think in particular, I appreciate Billy Talbot on bass and Ralph Molina on drums as one of the all time again, great underrated rhythm sections in rock history. I mean, all you have to do is listen to the way they so sympathetically slightly behind the beat drive. Those Neil young Crazy Horse, plastics cinnamon, girl, down by the river. Now new young, you know, he eat tries on many hats, different guises. You know, he's been since rocker for goodness sake. He's been, you know, a blues kind of revivalist he's done everything. Right. But when he reunites with Crazy Horse. It's he wants to rock, and I think if you look at that initial run of albums starting with everybody knows this is nowhere in nineteen sixty nine and then a bunch of classics follows Zuma tonight's the night, you know, the first big reunion comes in seventy nine nineteen Seventy-nine with rust never sleeps. And then another masterpiece in nineteen ninety with ragged glory. And though you and I were the only rock critics in the world seemingly who thought. So yet another with green Dale in two thousand three in each case, many years go by before young calls up the boys in Crazy Horse. And I think just as key as the rhythm section has been Frank poncho. Sam pedro. He's the newcomer. He's only been around since seventy five. Any comes and goes, and there's been other people in Crazy Horse over the years and Crazy Horse. When meal hasn't called for a good long stretch has made albums of its own some of them, very good. But but there's nothing that beats those guys driving him art, and I just ragged glory, man. Get enough of that. John. Donna. A one. With sam. Bauma john. The sam. Well, there's no argument here Jim about Neil young and Crazy Horse. They can come back as many times as they want. They're gonna still be good. I don't think they ever. I don't think Neil young does too many things sort of half hearted way. When when he feels ready to do something those guys are there for him every time, and I think the only thing I think about now is I hope we will get one more. Crazy Horse and Neil young record and tour, you never know. Right. You just never know. So hopefully, Neil be so moved in the next year to I want to also mention abandoned again that you and I have agreed upon in terms of the success of the reunion mission of Burma. You know, I think in its original incarnation seventy nine through eighty three this Boston. Art punk trio left behind some unfinished. It's you know, they really only put out one proper studio album version, it's a landmark record. And then call it quits, not because they were tired of each other or they ran out of ideas. But because guitarist Roger Millar had to quit for medical reasons. I mean, his hearing was being shattered by those incredibly high volume shows that they were playing and the time the technology wasn't there to protect his ears from you know, from you know, from total deafness, so he quit for medical reasons. But the once the technology improved the band was able to give it another go in the two thousands, and they came up with a series of records that I think more than live up to what they left behind in their heyday in the in the early eighties. Beginning on off on in two thousand four right through unsound in two thousand twelve I thought that the trio of Roger Millar Clint Conley and Peter Prescott were at the top of their game. The original lineup playing great new music at peak volume at peak intensity for another decade that well deserve. And given the fact that so many other artists had referenced them to people who never heard the band. I talked wants to drummer Peter Prescott about this that the number of people who saw them at one of their pitchfork shows in their two thousands reunion days. Probably numbered more total fans than had seen them in their original incarnation. Goes that's probably true. They're playing two rooms with forty fifty people and pitch work. They're playing field of nearly twenty thousand so. It was great to see the band get that kind of recognition in its in its latter days. You know, let's go out with a track called twice from one of their fantastic records from that we union era you could play on a track almost from any one of them. But I I love the obliterating from two thousand six second. We union record is Clint Conley track called twice unsound. Opinions. That is mission of Burma with track called twice on sound opinions from their reunion records. Now, we're each going to pick a band that's on our wish list to reunite Jim you, and I do not have we do not relish these reunions, necessarily inevitably disappointing. But we got at least one or two that we think, you know, this might work if these if these people ever decided to reunite I didn't wanna be obvious, Greg or I would have gone with. I'd love to see Brian Eno twirl the knobs of the mobile behind Roxie music, that's part of Roxy music again. But you know, I would kill to see just once the four original members of Allah together again on stage. Thing. It's not even there's no guilt involved. This is just a pure pop. Pleasure. We did a whole show once on AGA. We love how can you not love about? If you don't love Ave. You don't love pop music. All right. You know, they went out on a high note nineteen eighty to thank you for the music kind of goodbye, and they have vowed never to reunite despite being offered the small annual income of some nations together despite very good causes saying, please what you could raise for just you know, to stop global warming Abba could stop global warming. Now apparently in the last year or two the original coretec of Benny be on Nita and Omni freed have been recording some new songs two of them apparently. But despite having been couples that are now separated that are supposedly on good terms. They have no desire. Whatsoever to ever perform live again, most disappointingly, they are experimenting with some video technology that I think is somewhere between whole grants and videos that they are calling avatars, but but renaming them avatars, and there is actually talk of this avatar tour with the four of them in some virtual form circus seventy nine going onto now that's wall. That's just I don't wanna see that. I don't mind that they are. Now senior citizens, you know, I would just like to see the four them sing together. One more time. Well, the two the two women sing together as the two boys propel the tunes, but maybe the new musical be good. I I don't know if it'll be any good live. Yeah. That's that's a slam dunk if they decide to reunite I mean, I just remember the outpouring of adulation that greeted that two thousand eight movie that with Meryl Streep the mama Mia movie. These songs are everybody realized, you know, they know all those songs, and if they got one more shot at seeing them perform those songs live, even it's probably to a backing track. You would you'll be selling out stadiums. All over the world. I bet the one reunion at I think would really work in part because like with the original members are all round. And in this case, certainly doing work continuing to work would be talking heads. I love the Bandon original incarnation. Didn't really I mean, those I five six records. Just impeccable were great right to the end. Yeah. They may have lost a little steam with naked in nineteen eighty eight where it's starting to turn a little bit into a David Byrne thing, you know, at the expense of maybe Chris FRANZ, Tina Weymouth and Jerry Harrison feeling like they were equal partners in this in this rate. New wave punk quartet burn went on to a solo career. He hasn't toured in a while. But he to me his tour from last year demonstrated that he's still very much vital artists engaged in the now wanting to do to do new work. It's disappointing. The rest of the members found out that they were no longer band through a newspaper article where burn basically said that talking heads is done. So that's a terrible way to go out. But I do. I think that have burn ever wanted to get back in the saddle with talking heads. I think we'd have we'd see a terrific show. These guys would not be phoning it in. I and I think burns concerns about nostalgia. Certainly very valid. But I think they're very capable doing some new works. I'm still holding out hope the next two or three years we could see something like that. Shocked. So we're not holding our breath, but Greg, and I would love to see above and the talking heads come back. Now, we want to hear from you band. Do you wanna see reunite call eight eight eight five nine eighteen hundred with your answer, no cheating. The members have to be alive and tell us why. Greg what do we have on the show next week next week? Jim it's not exactly a reunion, but certainly a comeback after five years, Sharon Ben net, and is back with us rate songwriter, and she was in conversation with us as well as giving us a live performance with her band. For more sound opinions. Listen to our podcast wherever you find such things. The show is produced by Brennan Vana's. Alex Claiborne ion contrary, Andrew Gill. 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Always loved is air, the France shila group their tracks in mind, really jumped out to me Kelly watch the stars is an incredible space. Exploratory song, but surfing on a rocket by air is an incredible song about hopefully, the leisurely each sport of surfing when we're in space. Guys released the show. From North Carolina calling about it. Stay show and see Brit song about space, and I dare you to play this. When I listen to the carpenters. They put me in a weird place as it is just because of the carpenters, but the most bizarre song of the carpenters has got to be calling occupants into planetary crap. Which I only heard it was a huge fan of as bisexual teenager in south neck when it first came out in. Early theory. We. Listen, my babe. But we and something about it. It just appealed to people like me, and it's one of the yearly here ever played ever again. Either here the carpet on stations, whatever. So I dare to play that are all our face on the carpenters. Thank you. 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"Brought to you all those live from the dude in the basement studios. Why because that's where the good stuff is it six and the smokes with your spoken posts that good old boy. How it's sipping time. Yes. It and time again and welcome to this sips episode where everything good and life is worth discussing. As always we are the best thing on it, two AM. This is a one hour show. That's allegedly entertaining for upwards of when you say what are we shooting for today? I'm going for twenty five minutes today. Bob, you are dreamer. That's what I like about. You. All right. So we still banned in the state of Alabama roll tide. He's he's still up on the drugs getting his need a little bit. He's a little bit slow. Good for you pop as well as pretty much any place at polite company is allowed to meet and four countries to states, and we can't go back to Alabama again now. Well, I tried having good old boy, Mike run for governor. And somebody leaked the fact that he was going to disband the university Alabama revoked their charter and exile Sabin, so people need stop talking leaks leaks man Sabin and Satan row one winter apart. I'm just pointing that fact out so, you know, band once again. All right. So this is made man Bob and joining me today are made man morning. Good morning. Bob pleasure to be here. I love the dampness in the basement today. I try and keep it dam- for you. I know you like to Highdown you enter Iran. Erin, pick out spiders that sort of thing. Ren the moss. The Maas adds that nice touch a lot of peat moss. When I think of cold damp and dark. I think of you go boy, Justin good morning, Bob. Nice kilt. You. Get your welcome quit woken up. Good. Oh galvanise. Good morning everyone. I'm hoping we can wrap this up. I was hoping to go out and vote today. Hope I'm not too late. Southward ah you can vote any time, right? Right. It's going to be like my time. Voting sale are know what they say early and often so God help us all off good old. Boy army. Well, thank you for having me, Bob. It's a pleasure to be here in the basement, and my the dampness causing my need act up on I'll make the dampness comeback when you're here. He'll sound effects. The rheumatism enough in your day there. Yeah. Okay. Right. Maurienne myself are with bourbon, mafia, the bourbon mafias, a nonprofit organization composed of high end bourbon, those iast interested professionals with representation in eight states are members combined eleven bourbon with a passion for charitable work. The group uses their love of our native spirit to raise money for local and national charities rare bottle auctions and other themed events check us out on Facebook at the bourbon, mafia, they're clever men, anyway, tried they make money while drinking. Why not yes, pretty much all how at this country. If I could figure out how to eat barbecue at the same time it died and went to and you got killed in combat. Our show is also sponsored in part by fine wines, and spirits and Cooper city, Florida home of the spirits drunk. Yeah. Well, what do you want from me that implies you have no wine, but Chevy largest wind selection around we have the largest whiskey selection in the state. But there's a good wine selections. Well, dad shop there, but it's just too expensive home of the machine serving great wines, and whiskies and other spirits by the glass, you can find them at WWW dot finds spirits dot net. And our our show has also sponsored in part by the full Ardo, whiskey society. You can find out about all their events and happenings at F T L W S dot com coming out with a bunch of drunks in Fort Lauderdale. Our subsites are all about wine distilled spirits, tea coffee, and today's show is about independent scotch bottler Alexander Murray, and here's a list of the whiskeys. We're going to be tasting from them. We're going to try and the Alexander Murray companies Polly's casks the Alexander Murray and company monumental eighteen year old blend. The Alexander Murray in company automated nineteen year old the Alexandria, marine company required, a twelve and the sender marine company with Freud twelve. And we're gonna have more gives a little bit information about Alexander made man Maury uses time come on slack today. I'm using his name army. We have featured other independent bottlers on the show over the years. But for those unfamiliar with the practice, an independent bottler is someone who purchases casks of whisky, either new make or age spirits from various distilleries and bottlers and then bottles them under their own label. Sometimes they bottle the whiskey and list, the distillery of origin, and sometimes they don't. But when they do oftentimes it presents him more affordable opportunity to try some older whiskey from one of your favorite distilleries at more approachable price. Approach thing. The transparency thing Alexander marine company is just such independent bottler. They were founded by Scottish native, Stephen lip in two thousand four come to all things got slogan is if it's no Scottish, it's crap. Thank you, Steve is over twenty five years on you. In the spirits industry. Having previously served a sales director at independent bottler, Duncan Taylor Alexander marine company based in Calabasas, California. And in addition to bottling under their only will have made a name for themselves in industry, working with trade customers all over the USA and helping them with and developing and launching their own spirit brands. Over here. Starting off with trader Joe's only two thousand four Alexander Murray and company I've worked with Costco in developing their Kirkland house brand, and WalMart, and total wine and more in developing their Ainsley Bray private-label. All right. Well, we're going to be discussing these whiskies, and we're going to be reading once more stops coughing up along. Versus inhaling hasn't quite mastered. That today don't say swelling around him. Spill we're going to have it. Yeah. We're yeah. We're going to work in the have I read it's our resume drunken leprechaun, Justin. Tell us about our sips ratings. One give me a glass of water to wash out my mouth tune. That's just that's just that's sad. Number one. It's sad. And number two always seems to forget the immediately goes to to immediately goes to three if you don't write out the word sip right after the rating. Yep. I gotta put pause to know. I do you have you know, what? Anyway, Sean, Conroy hitting the face with a ball bat. Several scotch. Three. Let me get you in a mood. Come on. Three interesting. What was this again? Scotch with Alicia. Sean Connery is rolling in his great in the man is still alive. Okay. For let's keep this secret to ourselves. Pour me another. Just. No, sir. Not feeling it give give give him his due closer than another come on five. You can do it. I was unaware anything could be this. Good now. Sorry. Closer closer than what? Closer than gun. Gordon? Nah. I think goods actually closer. So. Lord have mercy. All right. Let's move on from this nightmare. And there's no mercy for us, man. This is the bomb nation, and we're going to move on. We're going to move in our first whiskey, and we're going to have to these Stella saw about it. Okay. Perfect. So the first whiskey today is the Alexander marine company. Polly's casts coming in at forty percent AB the six Prussian is a bit of a recycling experiment as you can imagine a company in the whiskey business has a lot of empty casks at the end of the day. So they've been selling some of their expert and casks to Firestone. Walker brewing company the brewery uses them to age there as for twelve to twenty four months after the brewery, empties, the casks they are then sent to Scotland to the Tuli Ordine is that correct? Liberty tolliver dean. Thank you distillery where they refill them with six to eight year old single malt and allow them to finish in these casts for between three months to a year. The name comes from Pali. The wife of burry owner David Walker. Came from his parrot. But that's just. Cracker. Well, we can talk about the color, but there's not much to talk about because it's really super-laser rollers. Third third or maybe fourth casks on the nose for me. I got actually a sweet sort of grassy note, not quite like a weak grasp but sweet grassy. And then I added a little water and on the nose at the very end. I got a hint of cinnamon. So I don't know if anybody else got that. It was kind of nice and pleasant I thought on the pallet, I'm searching for cinnamon. It's not one note. It's soft. It's nice. I thought the finish was a little short. I mean, it's pleasant, but definitely. On the lighter side. I think maybe I'm guessing the Serail notes coming from the IP that was in the cast before a lot of that. I really think it's it's just pleasant. It's just light easy drinking. This is Sunday afternoon by the pool kind of scotch. You could definitely cough down quite a bit. If you wanted to it's it's not heavy. Don't don't do so much that you drown. But yeah. But there's there's nothing offensive. That's what flooding. There goes to ticket Atta this marriage. Wait, great way to go, buddy. Now, we got to come up with a whole nother plan. Dammit, I'm gonna cancel the backhoe. Now. It's just a really nice intro level whiskey. I think it's a very pleasant. We'd introduce somebody's scotch. It's again, it's beautifully made. It is a little light and color, but we don't drink color. But I think on the palate it's pleasant. It's easy drinking. It does have a short finish. It's not too strong and anyone direction it's not too smoky not to PD not to anything. It's just there. Well, I didn't get any smoker. But I'm saying it's not overbalanced one direction. It's just middle. The roads, not Sherry. It's just scotch. Just said vanilla I got sultanas golden raisins vanilla little bit of almost fudge. But the grassy note was predominant. And then it's just lighten pleasant. It's I don't want to be sexist, but it's a feminine. Whiskey, right. Yep. For sure. Harry said I just think if it had a longer finish. I would give it a higher rating. But again, somebody comes over your house who's not really scotch drinker. Wants to try Brown spirit. You can't go wrong feminine whiskey. So it's used to harm having a very short finish. Tried into that cry throw them up like that back over the while you're gonna get solved as an hour to my time. Yeah, you wish and we'll be back, and we're back, and we are discussing some whiskies from Alexander Murray and company independent bottler of some fine scotches, and we're going to would you think just I thought this is a really refreshing scotch, and I got the notes that everyone Fresca. Rose pedals and a little bit of Malton cocoa on this searching for the rose pedal. It was really it was really nice. Yeah. I definitely I. I'm wondering if I'm thinking that I'm tasting that sort of mall tina's in here because I'm tasting it. Or if it's because I know that it was an IP cask. I'm not sure which it is. But I mean, there's a floral note yet in Colorado, smell, I'm picking. No, I agree with you aren't picking a hate to admit it had the in. The eight note on it. I mean, not not a y but I'm definitely picking some PA. No, I didn't. I was I was hopeful when I read the description because I I am a lover of as quite a few IP finished whiskies on the market right now. And every one of them's a disappointment to because there's enough, Hoppy, no agree with you completely. What's the point leave it in the barrel longer? If you wanna do, right? But it wasn't disappointed with this whiskey at all. Hoppy note. So yeah, I was just wanting to taste and see what happens, but I agree with you. They all fall short. All right. Well with that being said this one was lively whiskey, and we're going to be giving this one three cents. All right. So we're coming up to our next one. We're going to have more it. Tell us about that one. Thank you, Bob. This is the Alexander marine company. Monumental eighteen year old blend coming in at forty percent AB. This expression is blended whisky made the old world tradition when the blenders used mostly single mall with a much smaller portion of aged grain whisky that is common blends today component of this plan matured for eighteen years in ex bourbon casks now, it's interesting. There's no Sherry casks. But yet as I'm going to tell you in a couple minutes to me, this tastes like a classic, Sherry whiskey. Get a lot of Sherry notes. It's got a beautiful dark. Mahogany color, got a wonderful nose and on the palate. It's just wonderful. It's a viscous its mouth coating. There's definitely some cocoa notes on the front of the palate. But I get a lot of big bold Sherry flavors that. Surprised me quite a bit. It's got a medium to long finish. Just a really really pleasant whiskey. I love the fact that it's eighteen years old. In fact, it's a blend you'd never know if you just didn't see the word on the on the label this very little grain in here too. Yeah. It doesn't doesn't come across without lighten. I think instead of twenty eighty like most are now I think it's more like eighty twenty. Oh, yeah. At the very least, I think that this is really well done. And the the fact of it's blend almost gives it a little negative connotation on the label because we tend to be single malt snobs, but the fact is I would ignore that word blend and just say that it's delightful whiskey. Totally agree with you doing that too. And and what really surprised me is that Sherry note because I can't I would never say this one hundred percent bourbon casks, get smells like shared fruit. Tastes like mcallen fifteen year. Find out at sure does. Not even the final Camis. Okay. And let Sherry but coun- test to Sherry components on one bourbon KOMO and so it should be there. But this is this is that same Honey note milk chocolate this, gorgeous and. And even the color. It's a reddish gold. If you call hogging, it's I I. Seems like there's got to be some Sherry here. So beautiful color. It's deep. What did you think? Denise now, I loved it. I agree. The Sherri, you just you can't get away from that. It's they're not sure why it's there. But it's wonderful just say about the bourbon, maybe information of various sources of the internet. The internet has never wide to. So. So, you know, it's well rounded I do like that I like the mouth feel actually a little creamy. And that was really surprising and the finish was longer than I expected it to be nice and warm and a little bit longer. I don't remember the retail on this whiskey. But I remember it being a steel when I when I purchase it for the store. That's great. I'm glad to taste it again. Because I've it's been awhile since of this Justin what you think about this. You grade are we are we nuts is their share here for you. Or? No, it tastes like all over. So Sherry cask finished product also got Brown sugar molasses little bit heat, but not much. Forty percent hall. I wish I put this out higher proof. Oh, they put this out at about ninety. It'd be. Even amped up further for the bourbon lovers out there. You're gonna get that vanilla and oak that you get on a lot of the bourbons out there. I got milk chocolate on the nose. It was like CoCo bomb. I mean on on the nose. I get I get raisins and plums and like stewed radically hundred percent raises plums stewed why saying Sherry stood peaches and just the nose on it as rating and then and then the palate. The power. It's it's the whole it's just tongue coating the whole thing. It's like a cocoa bomb for me. It's like almost eating a teaspoon full of dark chocolate. A little bit heavier on the alcohol now, I would like the pallet more. And the thing is is I you know, I tasted I thought I'm just getting to slightest bit of smoke. I don't know if it's the smoker fits just the the cocoa. See I as a to me when you start talking to CoCo bomb that sounds a little bit unbalanced. And no, no, no, no balance, it all just a little little heavy handed wind direction. I get a little bit of open to me. I don't find it to be overwhelming overpowering or one note, I find it to be have lots of layers of all these different. They all come in that it's just that first sip when you hit it the first thing, I get is cocoa and cocoa subsides, then all talking to stay. So he got it on the front, but I think Justin I got to meet finishes on finishes COCOM. Yeah. The fruit just opens up so Bob you are mutant and there's something wrong with. Yeah. I think I'd agree with you. I get a hint up front, but definitely not a bomb. Professor Xavier says, I am you got a problem with it? Yeah. This one this one was lovely. I'm superpower drinking liquor. Exactly, superpower, sourcing and drinking fine quality with any. So. We're going to be giving the Alexander marine company monumental eighteen year old blend forceps. Wonderful. All right. So we're going to be going to our next whiskey and just toss about them. So Alexander and Murray companies alternate nineteen year old it's forty three percent alcohol by volume it's located in space. I'd region of Scotland near duffed on this is a malt whose name may not be familiar, but as a whiskey many of tasted is the main Multon greediest of Chivas Regal blended scotch I got prominent mall, and we'd flavor on this found the knows very sweet it had vanilla and Honey on the palate. In reminds me of Cuban we'd shake called the three ho shake, and I enjoyed this Alah thought it was a nice and pleasant harm. What did you think you threw me with the Cuban wheat shake thing? What is it really? That's a shame all over Miami. It's a week shake chocolate vanilla strawberry. And we need to make the drive down to Miami. It's not been. Yeah. If you're a false got a great one you brought brought back at six pack of which shakes today. Yeah. I'm gonna do it next time. I think it was a pleasant whiskey, but it was a little bit too short for me. So the the color. You didn't mention I got nice burnished copper on this. The nose is just light. It's there's nothing nothing offensive about this whiskey at all. But I just think it doesn't raise the level of the other wish had today you said it was a little short for him. That's what she said. The knows the noses definitely floral and a little bit feminine. Flowers what I wrote down hours perfume e. Feminine, and yeah, you're right. There's definitely Honey on the knows. It's so pretty about just wanting more and guess at eighty six percent eighty six proof polish disappoints a little bit. If you take a big gulp, you'll get more flavor out of it. That strategy. Around. It's it's like a flower show. It's flowers and cotton candy response. Cotton candy. It's not that. Sweet. What are you guys says? You're getting that, you know, I agree with Harmeet said almost everything except for me. I wrote very short as of yesterday sort to short. Yep. There you go just gone. Just like you're on. That's what she said. I just and if you're going to sip know, you need a little bit more it needs to live longer. You hear that boys and its last a little bit longer. That's why we only have sex day daylight savings time extra. Three minutes. Maybe keep still one reason Scott one. So then you lose. Another six. Yeah. In your wildest dreams. Yeah. It's just this one. It's all at the noses. Just is really great. But but the pallet definitely does straw. I don't know. Maybe maybe our sample wasn't right. But I mean, the big it's fine. It's just you know, some some of them are longer some shorter. I don't think there's anything wrong with sample. It's just it's just a shorter finish on it. But. But definitely smell it on. I mean, I. I can just sit there and smell it all getting a hint of like honeydew almost traveled fruit and flowers and Waco in like a sweet shop. It's it's the noses intoxicating. It just on the pallet fell short. So they can have a little trouble getting intoxicated on just knows you're gonna have to drink a little bit. So no the ethanol face off if you just sit there, and then how long enough. Yeah. You'll get a buzz so layaway. Well, yeah. At this point my levers, kind of immune. So we're going to be giving the Alexander marine company ultimate to sips. It really deserves knows this just finish. Yes. It when I smelled that. I was so I was so. Hi hope. Yeah. I think that's what we wanted. Well, I mean, technically came in about two and a half. But we we don't do have around here. So all right. So we're going to be going on to our next mall, which is the Alexandria Marin company. Brooke laddy twelve year. It's at fifty six percent AB. The Brooklyn distillery we've done on our show several times from Brooklyn another dependent stores, they were built on shore smelling of Lakhan doll and the island of Iowa eighteen eighty one and it was run by the Harvey family until we I'm Harvey's death in nineteen thirty six it changed hands several times and continued inoperational until nineteen ninety four when it was closed down mothballed in two thousand the distillers purchased by private investors who hire Jim Cuban who had previously worked at the more distillery to be their master distiller and the distillery was dismantled and rebuilt during the first half two thousand and one retaining all of the original Victorian era equipment. So this distillery white modern distilleries is gravity fed mino-. Computer controls old school, turn of the century technology in two thousand twelve distillery was sold to Rimma Cointreau who continue to own it to this day. The nose on this crazy is absolutely amazing. His just. Wow. It's just much more. Classic knows. Yeah. The last one had an interesting knows. But it was and flowery is this is this is this is just this is everything about a Brooklyn audio and one glass, this is Isla without going over the top art bag. Yeah. It's it's it's this is what I can be. If you take all the Pete out. This is what all the Pete up. Well, yeah. But I mean, but there's not pita knows. This is just got knows full see this one, and let's run Hobben or brook Lottie who has the least Pete nulla bona. So this snow has some Pete not not not a lot. But. On this is just sweet, it's it's Brown bigger malaria should her as molasses butterscotch. Scotch chef like a bucket of butterscotch it catapulted back to the lifesavers. Like, the visa the candies for my grandfather's pocket, and it's like overdone caramel and slightly burnt Brown sugar Brown sugar and a little bit of dark KIRO syrup. It's just it's the noses lovely. But the the the crazy thing is there's an I get no Pete how smoke on this. But that's what I'm saying. You. Spit this smoking for me. It's just over powered butterscotch on the palate. Oh, get much. It's all that same stuff from the nose with just that. It's just wrapped in a beautiful warm blanket of sweep and p you mentioned fifty-six percent alcohol. This this is. Yeah. Are a little bit smoke. Peter bounce very Bono. It's yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's it's everything the nose was just wrapped up in a blanket. I mean, it's sharp contrast the next whiskey. We're going to talk about. Dad? I didn't do any tiny bed. It's just as nice if you. The water bring up more smoke not on the no snow. Not for me, actually, intensified the butterscotch from. Oh percent. Really? Oh, yeah. Here there's smoke smoke. You guys are guys guys are well, I've got this one in the other one sitting in front of me right now. So yeah. Trust me at this point. I'm a little immune to the smoke. But I do think the water brings out a little bit of smoke because I can letter scotch came out with a little bit is definitely is just lovely the finish has been tastic to it's long. It's warm. It gets warmer. It's just yeah. It just it just stays with you. I wouldn't call large medium, really. Because I've had some of these that just keeping. Yeah. Harm when a girl says, it's long say, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Shut up shut up and say, thank you. All right. Never mind retract. That's me. Kids. Do we have a right? Did. We just we always love this. Right. We did anybody else. He's got flowers and raisins medium to long finish the butterscotch. Jim. It was. Burnt do. You like butterscotch? Yeah. Oh, you do. Okay. But but this is like butterscotch that's been put in a five. There's there's a burnt caramel to it. Molasses has that sort of bar slight list? You're all that strong floral note. Definitely out of Florida. This whiskey could make a PD whiskies drinker out of somebody who's not I mean. Yeah. I could this one. I. Very jason. Brent this. There's no. Friend. He's yeah. He's hardly normal or human. But. Yeah. He's gonna be back is right. I'm just saying that that this is I'll generally not for you. Came whiskey fan. And this is delicious. It's got just the right amount. It's just well-balanced hundred twelve proof. It's got everything we look for this just rate is I wish the Finnish where little bit longer and some of the that floral notes get soapy a bit. He sell this at the store, I'm out of this one I have the others while some of the others. I need to end initiated say it's very scotch scotch Scott Gotch, let ourselves. Well, it's not man. You're so slow that over there seven on this whiskey. He. Con up. Skopje there now down do my belly. You know, I missed him when he wasn't here complaining because he hurt his knee. Not much how. Yeah. Okay. You guys were tasting the unicorns. That wasn't by accident. I just yeah. I made sure that all arrive when you decided to fall down the stairs. I was pushed it was on Galilee effect came out of retirement. Yeah. Yeah. Good luck with that one size much cheaper. The second. Go round. Tanya lately this. Well, we've been watching now we haven't okay wrong choice. Forceps? All right. You're not going to get a lot better than this. It's. That's really well done not from Iowa. It's just there's so many things. Oh, please come on Sissy, his Assissi. Yeah. I know it's hangs around with Brandt. So what do you expect your wife drinks better was given you do best? That's okay. It's amazing moment such good taste and and. I wasn't gonna go there. But you know. Okay. I can take it. Joma do it again. Yeah. We'll we'll be bad. And we're back, and we are drinking some lovely whiskies from Alexander Murray and company so we are now down to our last whiskey condition to check for some of those that may have joined a little bit late a lot of people haven't heard of Alexander Murray. It's one of a number of independent bottlers that are buying their new make spirit or age spirit. And then basically aging those casks and deciding when to bottle it, and I really love the transparency that they generally put the distilleries name on it. And it is a way to get older whiskey from a well-known distillery at a usually much more advantageous price. But I just love the transparency, I think in America, we could learn something because there's a lot of independent bottlers bourbon, and they with the rare exception refuse to tell you where comes from our sometimes it's outright lie outright lie. They make up this backup straight. Like frontier, gone crazy. It's a frontier. Whiskey made on the frontier, and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. I would agree with you. I think that we are doing a big disservice. And that if we were a little more honest in America, it would it would do it world of good to the bourbon industry. So anyway, I'm sorry. It also depends upon the contract that she said when you're buying whiskey from somebody else. Sometimes there's a nondisclosure on it. So listen, if you're buying whiskey from Jack Daniels or maker's Mark, and they don't want them to know because they've got excess capacity which I don't believe ever happens those, but that's one thing. But if you're buying from a commercial industrial producer like L D, I well. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. Also, it's got it. It happens. It's got one as well. Sometimes you can buy whiskey in you're allowed to put it on. I know this for fact, because I work with importers I've done some legal work with sometimes they can put it sometimes they can't more often than not in Scott, and they're putting on and almost never in the US. They putting it on. And that's my big discrepancy. Listen of it's coming out of L D differences fast as he sex the bottle, then he never reads the label. He should see looks at the proof that he's had this guy drink MGP cares. If people put their name on it. And now they're making their own stuff. Right. Rossio union. Else? George. Wearing a j- Reema cert- right now. Right. Right. Did the Mets. He select one off but McGregor not there anymore. He's at old out. Now, George tickles dumping a lot of juice. They can't bottle and sell enough on their own label. And I kinda sorta understand, but it really wouldn't do a disservice. If somebody's bottling Tennessee, whiskey and says that it was still the George Dickel. They've still aged it tasted it decided when to bottle it, and I don't really think that that would really be doing anybody to serve oftentimes they blend it to they may be blended with other whiskey's, right or their own new make spirit, which is a great thing. I'm down without. Yeah. That use too much of it like tickle. My not want them to put it on there. I'm sure they don't feed their right. They don't. But honestly, I don't think it'd be doing them disservice. And I think they should revisit those policies. That's all I'm saying. But then you'd miss out some great market. Well, have a wonderful economy with words. I'm sorry. We're supposed to be talking about scotch. And then we went down the rabbit hole. How about the frog twelve year from Alexander Murray about that Alexander Murray and company lef- ROY twelve year old this is bottled at fifty four percent, alcohol AB alcohol by volume, and so let's talk about the la- Freud distillery here. It was established in eighteen fifteen on the island of Isla by Dolon, Donald and Alexander Johnston and was run by members of the family until Ian Hunter descendant of the original owners died in nineteen fifty four. He left the distillery to one of his managers. Bessie Williamson was going on there and Bessie Rosie let it all go. The distillery was sold and eventually became the property of Allied Domecq. She. And which was an intern quite by Purnell Ricard, and they in turn sold the froyo to fortune brands, then sold it to beam in two thousand eleven. And then be Muslim quired by some Tory holdings in two thousand fourteen which you had the great Bhimsen, Tori company in Chicago. Everything's satori. Japanese beams between Japanese the Japanese owned a few other great, Scott, scotch distilleries. And this one is one of my favorites. Although more is looking at me. And this is everything he hates from. This is this is the spit at me. I'm not a hater. It's just not my style. I understand this. This is the this is the type of LA Hoya in general is the type of whiskey from Isla that people think of when they think of bandaids female, and I'd on this is this is a Madison in the class. This is big boy, whiskey Maury. Also big girl, whiskey. Your wife is right. Thanks, the colors copper and the nose. Just huge Pete smoke. This is just in your face, then caramel burnt sugar white flowers. The pound is the exact same this. There's nothing changing from that knows. But on the finish. I got a beautiful hit of white pepper. And it's long the finish long medicinal. This is this is whiskey for grownups, man. The finish. Just doesn't go away. Yeah. Later. You don't go to a different whiskey after this puts the absolutely absolutely. If I know I've already told you that more hates it. So Denise, what do you think? Well, I love it. I don't hate it. If you knows this whiskey, and it doesn't get your attention than there is something wrong with you. It's just wonderful. I love sentence. Good even negative attention. I love the smoking laurel pallet talking about your marriage here. And it's got it's got a really nice long finish. Yeah. It's this is a great whisking. I don't know maybe more. You would like it in a a cocktail. Yeah. I mean, there's some really great cocktails. It's the bidders. Right. That's right. You'd be right. Maybe he'd it in house. Maybe he'd like it with the mouse. Maybe he'd like it here there. I don't know a poet. And I didn't even know it. Did you hate it? No. I didn't hate it. I think the it's easy to get off. Put by the knows. There's a lot of smoke impede on the nose. But on the palate, actually, it's a little more balanced. There's really not it's not overpowering. Some of the Isla whiskies really blow your way and all you get a smoking ash on the palate. But this one's got a lot of the beautiful flavors that we saw in the previous expression just wrapped with a lot more smoke and Pete I didn't put any water in this one fifty four percent. Well, you know. Yeah. No, I tasted throw on more than you. Write your hearts. It's not my profile, but anyone else get a big star in east Newt in the in the nose. That's the north star. Justin there. Very PD. But it has some sweet notes, I got some prunes raisins. It's well-balanced even though it's a profile. I appreciate it. It was still well done. I had on the pallet. I think it is well-balanced. It's got all those stewed fruit notes and sweet notes that then are kinda wrapped in intermingled with the with the smoking Pete. It's not it's not to me. It's not starring isse. It's like we're India. My mother cooks stories is like when she's burned the star knees. Yeah. She she Indians. Cooking. You heat the oil, and you put this dry spices in right, and toast, toes Costa spices. Sometimes it goes without oil. Then you put oil the other different spices. And but you told spices. I this is the Burt Starnes. Okay. Let go of it too much. I can see that. Good. Good call. Yeah. Really? Well rounded, though, would you think of it Harmeet? I do it. I love it. Come on. I want this. I need this. Now. Where's the haven't? Now sitting right in front of you say you. More please. Yeah. This is this is level. It's just the knows absolutely beautiful. It's everything. I mean, it's a classic or ROY. It's everything that you think of that you want when you open with Freud. And again, I get that something like this is not for everyone. I don't love every la- Freud Freud, probably my least favorite Isla, I prefer in general, my personal preference or communist, but what way? I think he's a socialist same thing. So on autocrat, I will let you live your own life. Not a crap. That's where you go get sandwiches. This is what a windows. Windows does for. Yeah. Yup. And it says you misspelled. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Where do your words autocrat? Learn your words. Then love this knows then. For the first time. It's just the nose is just perfect. I mean, it's just it's everything. Everything's there. It's not now I've had some. Froyo? Everybody's you know, everybody's put out a clunker or two in their time. You know, that's been making whisky for a couple of hundred years. It'd be fair about it. Hewlett the the nose blow off, you know. Yeah. When you up for thirty minutes. Knock you share? Yeah. Right. It's the those is infinitely more approachable now thirty minutes after the open, maybe even an hour. Oh, yeah. It's probably closer to an hour. This bottle in wash it thing and battery acid, I'm still not getting the getting paid out of that. It's it's not coming out. But no. But a lot of the females have blown off and the nose is become more. Pro right now, I smelled at all. I got was smoking fire. And now you can get a lot of the other nuances yet right now. It's just perfectly underlying floral notes. When we were passing around the balls to poor are samples for tasting for the show started. But oh, we're looking for capture balls misplace them. What's over there? Smell the cap up lefrak done. Yeah. It's not coming out of the glass. Come out of the plastic. It's there forever. You may have to burn destroy glosses. Dude, probably are just use the only for the Freud. I got some steel wool. And you you notice them smile when I say that because I don't care. I'm so happy right now. This is this is absolutely. We'll have we drink this all night. Yeah. You got to be in the mood for it. But when you're in the mood for that's the funny thing, my wife would tell me she says, you know, you'll you'll sit there and drink a whisky when you're at home, and no one's around. She said that you never drink the stinky ones when west there's people over an interesting, I never actually realized that thought about it. She's right. Why I don't know. Are you suggest from socialists? No, I think he's trying to pretend he's a stronger man than yet. You know? The big ones. We get a bunch of people at the table. We'll suck the bottom of one out. But you know, when I'm just sitting around. It's not always the first thing that I reached for. But you know, when I get a group of people manage I'm craving it. I don't know why it's just how it seems to work. And I never noticed that till she said it, so you know, I drank last night. What's would you drink manage our news release of midwinter night tram man, twenty twenty? Twenty twenty holy crap. Is just bleep me for the next two minutes because oh my God is good. It's just really the very first release of midwest ice DRAM and this one are my favorites. It's just really great accidents still gonna left wind barrels, dude, I got the huge shipment of that. Not everyone did I'm not supposed to say that actually. That's fine spirits Cooper city. They're not supposed to be so many coming to my student who is who is the distributor for that. What's his name? Yell, but I've sold through a couple of cases already done. The so-called. So we opened it's been in the store for three days and we've already killed two bottles. Nice. All right drinking on the job. It's after work. It's a perk with before during and after before during after hasn't dreamed of owning a liquor store and drinking the inventory, please historic from guy who drank himself on a business. I don't drink. You can do that one's actual drinking all the profits. So I will getting back to this ROY. We're working to. Frog in the store. Now, we're giving this when forceps so. This is party. So what did you think about the line? You know overall? I did not a great job. I mean, they've either picked some beautiful cast. And we don't really know what the process of picking and buying those casks or they've just aged to perfection and. New make it's not all age. Right. This is some Nimick. Right. I thought I thought for sure when I talked to these new making here not in that one. No, it's just straight with ROY this, you know, maybe in their blend. I mean, they buy new make with Rogin than agent themselves that I couldn't tell you this. I don't think these are. Well, here's the thing. I don't think they've been around that long. So you know, they started in two thousand four right, right? So five. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. I I don't I don't know if they have the syllabus to do that or not. But this just shows you what an independent bottler can do. I mean, you can turn out some really you can come up with some really stunning whiskies. They're able to come in. And when you've got a distillery that's got a small lot of barrels that they don't have anything in particular to do with them. You know, they don't have enough to come out with a new expression, right? They don't even have enough to come out with a new women at release because you know, if you're ROY early distilling company. Eliminated releases still, you know, you know, five thousand ten thousand cases or more. So when you have something like that, then, you know, the independent bottlers fill in a very important share able to go in and pick these things up and bring them to the public before they get blended out into a batch of something. And you're able to really see some interesting whiskies, I'm an abomination, which I'm not gonna name names. Yes. There are some that have some expect everybody has hit some messes. But you know, it's it's finding the good ones. And that's the nice thing about the independent bottlers me. Some of the best whiskies I've had from certain distilleries. I didn't get from those distilleries. I got from independent bottlers, I want to name names. But you're exactly right. Yeah. And I mean, I've had I've had some that. Right. Yeah. No, I've several brands I stopped buying almost ten years because they had ruined their barrel program. They were taking their cheap ING out on on the type of barrels are using you could taste the funk in the mold, and you should never taste that in a whiskey, but whereas you take that same new make spirit have it. Bottled by a private bottler who took their new make spirit and put it in their their own casks and most sublime most ever. Used to tell you off the air. Are you suggesting that the whiskey was ruined by the producer, not independent body? Okay. And that's what I'm saying about the kind of bottlers most of them have a hard time screwing it up. Yeah. Like, I said some some of the best expressions of certain distilleries. I've had I got from an independent bottle. You know, that's that's the crazy thing. That's my point is that's why see little downside to putting the Steelers name on it, the independent bottlers only gonna add value and notoriety. It's very hard for them to screw it up. Again. That's that's up to the people that are that you're buying from. What though I had to do? So who knows but house in emergencies be hitting hitting all home runs on these? So well, that's all the time. We have for today. We hope you enjoyed this episode, and you can catch all of her episodes where you found this one as well as on terrestrial and satellite radio and online at I tunes AAC has Google podcast. Iheartradio, Spotify soundcloud, Stitcher. Tune in YouTube PR X, I heart radio radio dot com and play basically any place. You can listen to a podcast the easiest way to find the shown your phone is to s Alexis Siri or Google. 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The Replacements Pt. 2 with Matt Wallace & Tony Berg

The Rhino Podcast

54:08 min | 11 months ago

The Replacements Pt. 2 with Matt Wallace & Tony Berg

"Ladies and gentlemen records retired plate spinners and millennials who want to impress their parents with their record collections. Welcome to the Rhino cast. PODCAST brought brought to you by Rhino records get ready for new releases detracts and conversations with your favorite artists and bands and balloons for the kiddies. And now your host with the most which may have and Dennis the minutes on today's episode of the Rhino podcast. We have part two of our replacements doubleheader double header with Deadman's pop producers Bob Maher and Jason Jones speaking with Matt Wallace and Tony Berg the original producers for. Don't tell a soul it's not uh-huh hey rich Dennis. Did you know that I can predict the future. I did not know that I can predict what you'll be doing in about five seconds. What's that you will be looking at Rhino Dot Com? It's true well I'm on there quite a bit because I'm looking for the latest info to see see what's going on in the world of Rhino Music. Of course the podcast that we produce live there. There's the album of the day. There's artis playlists including the new Duran. Duran Dan playlists that just posted. You can go check out and you can find out all about upcoming rhino releases including the new fleetwood MAC colored alert vinyl box set covers their albums from seventy five to nineteen eighty seven every albums a different color kind of cool. There's The van Halen Japanese single goal seven inch red vinyl box set which kyw want that. I'm losing it so cool. It has all of the original Japanese artwork. Everything during the David Lee Roth era that was released in Japan vessel. Grateful dead ready or not is coming down the pike and this is an album a compilation appellation of live performances of songs. That would have been on the next grateful dead studio album so late. The Era Garcia Hunter Compositions deadheads are gonNA love this one. I know I will for sure. And of course for you. Seasonal music aficionados. We have two. You knew Christmas albums coming out. There's a new Christmas album from Chicago. Aptly titled Christmas and Los Lobos has their first ever Christmas album entitled Yego Navidad and it is awesome. Los Lobos fans. You'RE GONNA love this one. It sounds so cool but Dennis. Why don't you tell the folks we have in store for them on this episode of the Rhino podcast? Well part two of the replacements deadman's pop up which was basically the way to get the original. Don't tell a soul out there in its original form with and this is Rhino of course all sorts of extra goodies. Yeah you got eleven anytime. There's a deluxe edition from Rhino. You know you're going to be getting all kinds of behind the scenes unreleased unreleased material and this set deadman's pop is no exception. It sounds amazing. The Matt Wallace mixes the way the album was supposed has to be. which if you listen to Tommy Stinson episode or you? Didn't you have to hear how he talks about how that all went down. Today's episode food is really cool to listen to you matt's fans you're going to get the inside history about the making of this record why. The band ended up not really liking it and why a lot of fans think it doesn't represent the band's kind of ethos and what they did to correct it for this new release. Today we have boxed set producers Sir Bob Maher and Rhinos Jason Jones. Anr who produced deadman's pop. which is this new deluxe edition and they speak with Tony? Edberg and Matt Wallace. who were the original to producers of? Don't tell us all to quote a track. It is a major talent show. They rundown for us. Exactly what happened. Tell some of these outrageous stories about you know the the replacements behavior in and out of the studios notorious for good reason. Listen and we get all the fun stuff in this one for sure without further ado. Let's get into this deep discussion about deadman's pop Skill to Dobson. It is sir. Hello and welcome to the Rhino podcast. I'm Bob Mayor Author of trouble boys the true story of the replacements and I'm also the CO producer of the new replacements box set from Rhino titled Deadman's pop as a four CD one L. P. set which chronicles the replacements nineteen eighty-nine album. Don't tell Seoul and includes producer. Matt Wall says new mix of the record a disc of rarities including the bears Ville sessions produced by Tony. Berg unreleased duets with Tom. Tom Waits and a double live album. The complete incarcerated. I'm joined here today by my co producer on deadman's pop and Rhinos Director of our Jason Jones Jason. Hey so so Jason and I spent much of this past. You're working on this project. And today we have convened something of a unique and historic summit. Bring together both of the producers. Who worked on on this record with the replacements? Joining us in the studio are Matt Wallace and Tony Berg Matt of course Produce the release record and was finally this year given a chance to mix. Don't and tell us all about thirty one years after the fact In addition to his work with the replacements and with Paul Westerberg as a solo artist mattis produced half dozen albums for faith. No more including their breakthrough through the real thing and he's worked with everyone from Maroon five to John Hiatt Rem. Tony is in St Musician. Producer and record executive. His resume includes projects by Michael Pan. Pan Eighty precale public image. X Squeeze Andrew Bird and phoebe bridges among others at Geffen and Virgin. Tony was also instrumental in helping sign. Artists like Beck Black rebel motorcycle club and at the drive-in so I'm very happy to have Matt Antoni joining us. Welcome thank you So as we kind of Approach the idea of bringing these two producers together to talk about this I sorta sounding them out and having known both of them from working on the book and I thought well as I'm going to have to see if they both want to do this and I don't even know. Do they know each other. And it turns out they actually know each other pretty well because their neighbors so t tell me a little bit. It would be much better drama if we were one another's nemeses embassy's but we're actually quite good friends and we see each other every day because our studios are twenty feet apart fiennes right across the parking lot and in fact Tony I. We've we've known each other. In the periphery and obviously I knew him by name when he worked on the original version of don't tell a soul but actually are deeper connection is a mutual friend. Josh Clayton Felt Antonia had Headey Wake at his house for Josh. So we were kind of in kind of closer bonded on that so you know well you know one of the things is I kind of look back back through your resumes and and you're kind of personal. Histories are actually some similarities. You both actually started out as musicians before Producing no matt. You're a pretend musician Antonia's room you just you know you're starting as historic as you were just started a little studio in your garage to record your own band and then sort of got sidetracked. Doing other people's I love hearing and of course Tony was a very st musician and working the Carson Ranger for Jack Nici Bette Midler many other folks and then the other thing looking at your resumes. Is that you you know. The artist name is quite a range of of artists. You know different genres and styles neither one of you sort of specialists in a particular genre most kind of done that and I don't know with that comes from being musicians or being you know having a song based approach talk a little bit. I'm curious to well. I mean I'll just for myself when I was thirteen thousand bands and we were kind of doing like Black Sabbath Stephanie. h-how's into really heavy stuff but also my ear was really pulled into into pop radio and so I was listening to black Sabbath also so big carpenters fan. So am I my I I think kind of book in my my discography between the brutal in the beautiful because I worked with stuff. That's really heavy ugly and relatively unpleasant to listen to. And then there's stuff stuff that's really melodic and pop so that's Kinda where I'm from and And as me being a musician I think there's two people in the world there's those who own instruments in those who can play them. I'm the former. I think Tony. Tony t tell me a little bit again how you got involved so this is early. Nineteen eighty eight and you are kind of had made the transition transition to becoming a full time producer from a musician arranger and it worked with some baby bands broken homes and Had Gotten Michael Penn.. I think even at that point already gotten him at a record deal all right and Bruce Hornsby and Eric Johnson. But I had just begun producing and I got a strange phone call from from a wonderful guy. Michael Hill works at worked at warners and our New York and He said you know what would you. You'd be interested in working with the replacements I said Oh yes I would he said. Well maybe you and Paul should have phone conversation and see where that leads and so we talked on the phone and Paul said. Why don't you send me a list of songs artists records that you think were unheralded but that might have deserved much more credit so I sent him a note and I listed ten things that were fairly fairly obscure? Do you remember what they are boy. I don't man to spend too long but I sent the note at the bottom. I broke look I I hope these resonate with you. I hope you like these and if not you can go fuck yourself and of course I got a phone call about twelve hours later. Come to New York and the band so I met in their office. They managers offices in New York City Gary and Russ managers and the four guys were there and we're talking it's a bit of a blur. It was I think in the morning and they were drinking beers at around eleven and I said something I I don't even remember what but Paul reached over pulled my shoe off port a beer in it held it up and said you're our man and and sweet the beer from my show and third place and so it began You know I I. I don't know if this is correct that I saw after the fact so they had played some some shows in December of eighty seven. And there's some photos of them with Ian maclagan and John DOE and this would have been right after they had shave their eyebrows. And I think you might have been backstage stage. That show fat. Yes but I didn't shave my thinking but that would have been the first. Maybe you cross paths with them briefly. Strangely both guys Ian was a close friend and John continues to be So you were. I think at that time working with Charlie Sexton on a record bears Ville and I was Bob Clear Mountain so you were up there and there was some of this is now kind of May or or thereabouts of eighty eight and I think they wanted to try and get the record done so that hopefully you could have it out in the fall but you know as it turned out. It didn't come out to the following year but so the decision was made one way or the other two you had an opening I think and they said come up. They want to get started. I think yes what happened was normally. I'm the real stickler on pre-production right spending a lot of time with the artist in this case we were doing Charlie's album at bears Ville and he was pulled away for ten Sundays He had to go do something and suddenly Russ was. We have to go. Go come on. Let's just use that time and you can and do it at Bears Hill right. I said yes looking back. I realized I should have been better prepared. I don't mean musically psychologically right right for what would become the Maelstrom right that was soon to arrive and you had you heard any stories about them beforehand. Yes they also be better prepared. I don't think that's possible on us. You're really don't well. You were clearly better prepared than I. Well the thing that you kind of back story or context thanks for this is obviously there was a tremendous amount of pressure internally on the band To have a success in their third major label record their seventh overall all the band had been together ten years and they sort of constantly been sort of flirting with success. The previous record to done well but kind of fallen short of expectations and there was a sense. Both I think externally within Warner brothers in the management but even more so internally that the clock was ticking on the band and the dynamics of the band after ten years you know any band. It's hard to be kind of on diverge for ten years and never really breakthrough so I think there was a tremendous amount of that in the background. which probably nobody was hard to be aware of? Maybe going in there were two things is that we're play. That affected me profoundly one. I heard the songs my and when I heard a to be darling one and I'll be you. I knew I was being presented with just stunning material. And the second thing is we all went out to dinner in New York one night there were a a number of us at the table and someone at the table was picking on. Tommy and I watched Paul tear that person apart and that person didn't even see what was happening but I had so much respect for for that because a band is club right and if they don't look out for one another it can quite easily fragment and fall apart and I just saw a real love for his bandmates and in talk a little bit about going up to bears. I mean one of the things that the ban points as to why things ultimately fell apart. Is that the environment of bears. Ville these were city boys in the country to great extent to set the scene. A little bit of yet it was greenacres. Yeah well you know it's a funny thing It's this bucolic setting it's an idyllic paradise it's one of the great studios in the world albeit not the kind of place they were used to all right and They had a barn in which you would louis and rehearse before you went into the big room and we got in I think three days of her hersal and I could could tell there was something deeply miss because I'm very prone to get deep into the songs and the arrangements so Paul Paul and I spent a lot of time talking about re harmonization and lyrics. Does this couplet stand up to the rest of the song long and would happen if we rian vert this cord and and it was wonderful but I see or I saw soon thereafter her that that was threatening to the band. I don't think they had experienced that before so I didn't do a good job of integrating all four members into that process and I think I should have sensed that I should have been more inclusive in that process dropping. I I I do remember to moments one on the Song Albi you. There was a lyric Paul Sang. I'll tell you what will we do and I said that's intentional. Right Paul he said. Oh yes I thought boy. This is a real writer fucking with Syntax and and and devices that writer has at his disposal. The Cure will twelve now mm-hmm so when you get up there you're working with the band I think your idea was you were using some Sony kind of coordinate. Yes we were I had recently purchased. What was then the brand new Sony Digital multi-track Thirty three twenty four and and Everything was going great but Our engineer was not familiar with the machine. And you had to actually actually striped the tape before you could use it. And we didn't entire reels recording and he hadn't striped so basically we hadn't recorded for about an hour and the half of what we thought we were recording. That was a bad moment and look I was responsible and things were. I don't even know how to describe it. It's like describing being mauled by a lion. It was just chaos but in the midst of all this it was sounding I thought quite wonderful right it would vacillate between exhilaration of getting a take that everyone was excited by or my listening sning waller tracking in hearing a racket going on during a song and then seeing that Paul had completely smashed his guitar bits while we were recording the song right so that coupled with their destroying the housing the studio car my right hand hand left knee right. It was turned it. Was My bar Mitzvah. Each one thousand talk a little bit of the Tony About actually record. 'em You were mostly recording live essentially right yes Portland is probably the most involved recording. We did and I thought perhaps it was the superior song that he had played. But it was a really interesting concept for song which is to say it acknowledges that when you say you're going to do something you are indebted to the people to whom you made that promise and it's a song about doing it even though you're hating it and that's borne out by the fact that as the song is fading out Tommy is inexplicably playing bongos on this country song which I loved and as it's fading out you just hear Paul say Portland Portland. We're sorry. Give a little bit of the context behind Portland. Yeah you know the replacements Paul one of the great things about about him. I think Ian Hunter or other writers and that kind of rock and roll menu. He mythologised is the band from the very first record You know I hate music retox. Ah You know. I can't sing Tommy camp. Bob Can't play all this sort of stuff. And then later they had a song it was originally a good retitled the ballot of the replacements which is called the treatment bound which is on hootenanny. Nanak talks about you know just their their travails of being a band going through these little cities in the upper midwest. And what happens in in a sense. Portland is kind of update of that you you know seven eight years hence And The testament to that is in the version that is on the box set. DEADMAN's pop there. We put a little rundown where they're kind of working it up and going through it and as playing the courts. The Portland Tommy. In the background is is singing. The first lines of treatment bound. So there's a sort of you know real connection Little Easter egg for you guys out there Airport as we get into kind of the session so you really Ah. I think there's always been for many years. Misnomer like they made this complete record and bears Ville and it got show which wasn't the case. It was just sort of a kind of pre production and really elevated Demos Mohsen kind of feeling feeling things out it was a very strange process. that was at once I felt successful full but I was kind of finding my footing with them. I know that one of the two managers was extremely displeased. least with what he was hearing and During the same period the band had been contacted. By how Wilner About about doing a song for a Disney compilation called stay awake and we cut the song. Crew Ella Deville of course. Paul substituted some lyrics. Were a wall a little a little a little blue if you will and we had to go to Minneapolis to re-cut that song right really so we booked I. I may be changing changing the chronology. You'd like but the story is an interesting one and up for debate as to the veracity but we booked a couple of days at Paisley Park. re-cut Crew Ellen de Ville and before this session we met at the bar that they always went to the CC club now quite a place And we're sitting around talking and it's it's feeling Very Edgy the conversation Anything I said was being met with contempt and finally I turn to Tommy and I said Said Look. Are you sabotaging this album. And he said yes and I said why. And he said because you're too a young to produce the replacements and I stood up and I said I'll see you later and that was the last time I saw them well. And that's sort of preceded. We should say that was kind of the the upshot of where the sessions ended. You've done this ten days and bears Ville with the intention of reconvening reconvening and as you hear on the box cut a lot of some different songs. There's actually a a a song on there. That's previously unreleased lasting the world featuring Tommy on Bongo Tommy on but but talk a little bit. I mean it's taken on some myth and possibly some exaggeration as to how things went south again obviously they were at a point internally and being in the woods I think after awhile all sort of got to them I think in the in the in the liner notes I quote you as saying it was my favorite thing it was like producing. Pirates was not the Pittsburgh it it was you know. I think I just wasn't prepared. And ultimately I think they did did the right thing. I think it was a lesson for me in learning that an album is the artist's album and it's important mm to accommodate that that isn't to say that you just let everything runamuck but you have to recognize who the artist is and how you help that artist and I just was a little green law eh this days. Aw so now on this box set in the interesting thing about the bears villepreux's tracksuit Jason Agree with me in this. There is a mix of things you're hearing kind of and I think one of the rare opportunities with with West Bergen with replacements. You're hearing the songs evolve. There are sort sort of different tempos. Different arrangement still kind of working evolving versions that you hear sort of then refined or changed and that's such a rare peek into his creative process. A here is something changes or there's like straight acoustic version of like they're blind young or the law really raw version. Yes I do too close to see they own mind. Joe started into It's the the arrangement of rock and roll goes to his Paul Acoustic Tommy on base and then in Oregon again yes has a very like rolling Stone Ish vibe to at the very end you say to Paul that's a real performance and he goes thanks but that's like the it's a real magic moment where you hear praise affirmation in dismissal uh-huh nicely as a model And a real performance was great. It's all good. Thanks you know as Matt will attest he almost didn't survive experience either. It might have just been the transitioning to kind of Matt so Obviously thinks the the the the the record with Tony Sorta didn't come together to now. It's the summer Mer of eighty-eight they start looking for producers the idea of kind of getting it out and eighty eight is is pretty well shot so they have to kind of start from scratch at this point you know. They've gone through two records where where they had gone through a lot of producers. The interesting thing I think at that time is the idea of the alternative rock or sort of Indie rock. Major label type producer. hadn't quite come together. I mean there was at that point alternative bands for like replacements. were either using sort of old classic rock guys. Sandy Perlman's working with Dream Syndicate and in class and so forth And there was like folks like yourselves who were still very young at that time. You know and budding in in in that World Scott Litt in that group but there wasn't an obvious obvious you know they were going they were trying to get Jimmy Miller to produce or you know the kinds of people or going with young guys in this case with this record it was it was sort of young guys and I think the accents sort of shifts also so from The band being very New York base because Michael Hill was there an arm for Warner brothers. via sire and then Kinda shifted Lenny Warner got involved in which is how. How kind of Matt comes into the picture? At that point. You were I guess at just you've done a bunch of projects for slash. You're almost like a house producer for slash. At that time. I had just nine hundred at the beginning. One Thousand Eight. I was a I moved to L. A. to be a step producer and anr person for slash records and Prior that they Roberta Peterson had had hired me to produce this new monkeys track And it was just a fluke because they were trying to revitalize the whole monkeys can enter the whole concept. And so I did this one track. No I've never heard the word cannon new munchies because if you listen to some of that monkey stuff there's actually some incredible writing with your Neil diamond this amazing amazing you're under the guise of kind of pop bubblegum band. There's actually some real songs there. So we did the song and it was kind of a fluke and end up being the single and here. I'm this like outlier and produced the single. But I think somehow became on the The raiders of Warner Brothers. Lenny worker like worked with me. Roberta was was my kind of a champion there. So that's how it kind of started and that was actually the thing that Kinda got me the replacements Gig because dip and up point time. I'd done the only thing I had added. Any impact was faith no more song. We care a lot and that was the only thing I had going for me so I think it was jam. Thank you but I think we the places you have to either be the super absolutely talented have tremendous track record or be an absolute nobody and at that point in time I really was just kind of a guy who wasn't really recognized denies but I think Lenny in talking to him he saw I think in you also somebody who could sort of Was Song Person Very Song Bay. I think in fact Michael Hill Hill. After the sessions were over he played some the bears. Little stuff forlani in that really is. What brought Lenny to kind of being kind of you know rabbi figure for Yes replacements in there today in our world and that sort of is where you came in Lenny? Really kind of brought you in this is to that is to say. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm working with these bands. You know because I came from kind of pop even though with faith no more but my my underpinnings and foundation where pop and I don't want to do with these bans he goes. You're the guy who can slightly bring them towards center. You get these and with your her influence. You can kind of bring them gently to this place. I think that's kind of all to happen. And by the way the only reason I was even successful record is the what you did Tony First of all you really established kind of path to go down and I remember distinctly hearing your rough mixes when they're looking for other producers and I had some friends ends at live in studio city. I used to walk up and down these streets with my cassette and my walkman listening to your rough mixes and trying to get myself kind of steeped in what you had established as is a kind of a foundation almost pivotal place for those guys. So then you get this opportunity work with them in there like with Tony. I think there was a call right where you had with all all that was I sort of content and so I'm working at slash records and they sit this phone call with with Paul Westerberg and and you know he can we talk and he goes You Know I. I knew that. The new monkees was kind of that. My entree into make any sense and he goes. Yeah you know we like to drink a bit and I said well. I'm I'm well aware by. I don't drink at all so we'll get along famously. And I've seen their shows I've seen them kind of just fall apart and just basically burned the stage down and so Yummy I just jumped on board but I do think that you soften the landing bed. What's interesting is that? They thought you were too. Who Young? Well I was a few years younger than you so and it was the kind of thing because slim had actually done that. We you know we one tonight. We end up going into the rainbow after three days recording and a lot of drinking and he just pulled his face up against mine and he goes. You don't know shit you know I I fuck you. You're too young for those record and finally said Fuck. You just started enough of this shit you know. Listen they did. They took a marker. Oh yeah yeah so we go to the Rainbow Room. We're seeing I. I think their whole ideas that you have to put down. Let Down Your Guard. Yeah so you really say what you think about each other drunken version of a Wednesday night. Who is our third day and Bev Jones or engineer? We all decide okay. We'll go drink because we're not going to drink while we're working. And so we sat down and they start drinking. Tommy takes giant felt marker puts my pant leg and runs up across my shirt and down across my pants and this is my favorite shirt. I kinda dressed up to go out a little bit and I was like. Oh my God so I started drawing on him and it just became this thing just kind of falls apart and slim's literally threatening me in there and he's got his face against mine you know and and I find that fuck you you know. I'm not one of these and so the bartender he's cleaning going guys okay. I'm like Oh my God you know. So the next ext Dave course slim forgot everything I guess if he blacked out but he forgot but he was nicer and our NGO walked in three hours late and I could see when he walked in by the look in his eye he goes. I'm out and so now. I'm producing and engineering this train. That's careening off a cliff. And he was so silly. You know slim. Paul came out first and we started working on their blind. And then Tommy Amy and Slim and Tommy and Chris come out later and we go to Musso. Franks were. Were meeting each other Michael Hill outlets meet each other. We're talking this is really great and you know. Get into the band as we're walking down Hollywood boulevard right. That's what it's on. Yep and so you know I hadn't really said much the Tommy at all and we're walking down Hollywood boulevard and Tommy goes you no I think about you know. And he's and he spits right in front of me on the street. I'm like okay this is GonNa be. This is before you actually actually done any work. I just met And I was just like Oh my God this is really going to be like wrestling with a with an alligator Alan so matt you get in there. You're now the scene is sort of shift from upstate. New York in the woods to sort of Hollywood working to Cherokee primarily doing the tracking. You guys do end up doing some vocals capital and then took the record back to Paisley Park. Where the story sort of brings us to Dennis? Papa talk a little bit about working at Cherokee so tony was working kind of with a new sort of digital system cutting live in a sort of foreign environment them. This was maybe a little bit more sort of On their dishes Yummy I hadn't gotten to the The approach I would stand by the machine ready to record and it sometimes Ah You know if I was working with an engineer. They'd be frustrated. 'cause I'd start recording before. They got the snare sound. Or whatever and I just knew that there was a moment you could feel you can kind of feel the band start to rise and fall fall inside would sit there and go hit record and you can hear e on data churches go pogo. We should be rolling now. I was rolling fifteen seconds before because I was like oh I could sense it and so what. What the trick? Production with these guys was you get to take didn't work. So you hit rewind. And you're hoping that you rewind in time before they start recording and so I'd be wind and I hit a record. Wait rewind against it was really because those tapes are only good for sixteen minutes right and so I was always just in tune with the. They're gonNA hopefully get this this this thing so I was on analog tape and for better for worse I was just ready to kind of capture hearings and that was that was really it. You know and you did try in the same way I tried to do. Some rehearsals. reproductions you guys started that way. But you found that wasn't yeah we went to S- S I r and the the only thing I remember about and this is unfortunately true. The only thing we're about is Paul go into the wastebasket basket to. It's going to the bathroom you know and I eh. That was just like this thing. I mean it's really like basically trying to keep marbles from rolling down a hill you know you're just like Oh my God. Oh my God and I think the thing is if you're working with a senior with Paul that's one thing you can kind of marshal your forces and try to be preemptive in capture it but then you also have to have this Paul's if Paul is Earth Tommy is the moon and that's it's really important to the title movement of this this band and so there's that but on top of that you've got slim who's new to the Being part of the ban who becomes it's kind of this defacto bulldog protector of Paul but at a point where he's really pushing outward and being aggressive. So you're juggling. These three guys and then Chris was just like solid and he played and he didn't. He's the only guy who who was never like unkind to me and the other guys are and unperturbed nothing and actually the and in time because they used to accuse him of being my God. You know Christmas like lagging. He's not on. He's playing with this. He's lagging and you listen back. And he's on time and what I do because I didn't have digital all the guitars and all the based on top of the beat and I would after they would leave. I would take the guitar track singularly. Run it through. Google is on instead it back. Twenty thirty forty milliseconds to put it in time and say they were the base and you and of course like you know you miss with your cars. I'M GONNA kick your ass you know I would be threatened consistently of having my ass kicked uh-huh aw there is. I think an an talking to Michael Hill. Who actually came out? I think for the start of the sessions out here because he was now worried. They've spent money they've time has you. You know gone by. They want to get this record out. It's very pivotal record. So I think he started out here and I think the first couple weeks was pretty. Rough was the rougher part patch for you and You know I remember asking Michael. So he started to think when things were going south with Matt. It's like is this just impossible or they unpredictable and there was no playbook to deal with this stuff. What was is it for you? That and and of course you went onto have relationship with Paulie cutters for Solo record and remained friends with them and all that sort of stuff. What was I? Guess the thing that turned it at least to a certain point to where you could finish making the record you know as you say that there was a that first couple of weeks you were. I was ready to quit every single day for the first two weeks. I'd go home to my girlfriend Lisa and I would just say screw this. I'm just I'm just not going to do this. And I think what Tony had mentioned early on the sons were so good and Paul was such an an essential important American songwriter that I hung in there but the pivotal moment because these these guys drove ice to pick them up in my eighty. Two Honda Accord that the Holy Roosevelt and dry them to Cherokee and driving them back and so one day. I think it was like a Friday own. I would drive them to pick up booze and apparently also got cocaine. I didn't know about but I remember. It was like the second Friday. I was driving them back when I do. These handbrake turns with my car like you know. Turn the wheel and pull the handwriting's can split around and those guys were in the back seat and I think Paul is in the front and I was just tired of this shit and we were coming to a stop light and actually gunned it and I pull the thing and and they they like. What are you doing their grandma? What the fuck fuck you guys? I was just like I got to the point where I decided that I was going to make the record whether or not any of them survived. I was GonNa make got to that point. I knew I could do it. He threw a scare into them. And I just I remember talking to Michael Hill and he said Yeah. We weren't certain you're going to be able to survive this thing and I decided that moment that I was going to outlast them. Yeah then I can make the record well also you prove proved to them that like you were more dangerous than a man is his most dangerous when he has nothing to live. But that's truly true because I I didn't push so far and it was an opportunity for you probably same as it was for you at that point you know and so like you really wanted it. But then you're faced with this impossible thing so it was kind of the stakes. Were maybe more heightened than they would have been for somebody else who could just walk away from say. I'll just make the next record with thirty but I was willing to lose the record that point time because I invested so much I really WanNa make a great record and I was tired their antics and I also want them to know that I I will leave this. I'm done with this And I think you know at at some point this. This is part of the I think in your book to illustrate these guys that we make these recordings on analog and cut to master reels right side cut the actual two inch and have have a master wheel of three songs and other master wheel with their whole ideas that they don't want anybody to hear them at their worst like when they're really drunk and they're sloppy so they found they got all the outtakes and they decided to bulk race. All the outtakes so they did that they found out that you can actually listen to a little bit of track twelve and thirteen so they had you know Abbasi our our assistant as your he made. They made him put him on the machine and arm all the tracks and wipe everything well while they decided that I literally. This is no exaggeration. I had a stack of. You've four two inch reels. And I sat on them while they grabbed all these outtakes and they're running around all three four guys around there a racing stuff and I'm literally Lee sitting them. There's a song called. We know the night that we lost we had a gorgeous in right a twenty-four check gorgeous. We know the night that I thought could be on the record and they wiped wiped it and because they're another loss classic causing them but because I was literally sitting on the real they're running around me. I mean that was one of those. I have to Hang Nautilus record physically and that was another moment. You both get medals for this We don't know the pain of Ostrov Eh. So when you get back to Paisley to Minneapolis doing some final overdose on the record what is is your sense I mean have you kind of gotten what you wanted. You've nailed it and you think we're there and you're just in a way. This record was a lot more. You and pollen slim at the beginning and the end Kind of Working on it's a talk a little bit about sure to wear your head was at sort of going into the finish. I mean for me it was always just kind of A. I felt like a salmon. Swimming extremo's always struggling to corral and marshal their forces and making the best record ever and I think that the thing that was Kind of an indicator of what else up against against that. Our First David Paisley you know they had to refurbish. API and they'd just gone through all this trouble. To Re you know put recap it may just be gorgeous. And I'm I'm an exaggeration our very first day where ten minutes walking in and Paul spills. Tumbler Jack Daniels across sixteen channels of failures. And I mean this is just like a microcosm of making in this record where a point I believe in Bakersville. He was dancing on the console. The nieve the channel but but but that but that was really one of their kind of anthems was any time we went to a studio. Paul would try to get up on the console. Go what are you gonNA do he goes. I'M GONNA try to kick the KNOBS this thing I'm like you know I I mean that was just how it was true and so again you know I'm trying to capture performances from these guys trying to get the best vocals the best new guitar overdubbed and again Dan. They would leave at eight o'clock and I would spend time putting things in time in the most. You know fundamentally challenging because I was working in digital having to run thing so the delay to put them in time and again everytime slim would leave and go you know if you mesler guitars kick your ass and so I was doing it all every step of the way. Robin is a lot of down. So you're in Paisley part-time. Our time is winding down on the sessions records. Basically done In the background going on the sort of machinations of the Labor management is there were some some thought and probably not a a wrong thought in terms of. How do we get this record on the radio? How does this become a hit? So they the management really in in in in the label in the band. Ultimately acquiesced was. Let's let's give it to an outside mixer right. It was the idea of having indie producer work with the kind of professional extra. which is what Nirvana eventually did in breaking never mind now whether that was necessary? Who knows but that was the decision that was made at the time? And you were kind of aware that you are not going to get the sort of finish the record and mix the record. I'd I'd hoped to this. Why do these mixed but I made? I made a mistake when I was I rough. Mix everything thing on a Sunday. I did the entire record in one day which means I spent like forty five minutes preach. I couldn't do any of the songs justice mainly a snapshot of where we were. In retrospect. I should've done two songs in nail the mixes so I could have a shot at at mixing this record and because I was an unknown entity fast forward after I finished the replacements. Two weeks later I did. The Moore's the real thing which had epic and I proved myself as a mixer. But at that time I was an unknown entity and of course I did this rough mix hoping I could do it but of course fast sport Chris sort algae mixture judge breezes in Kuwait. Uh when Paul and I were talking while making the record we were trying to make a timeless record. You couldn't tell if it was recorded in in nineteen seventy two thousand nine hundred ninety two we want to be. Yeah not of an of an era which it became that and that was my frustration with with the Chris Mixes and I'd friend of mine who are musicians and they actually blamed for ruining the replacements when they heard that right and they said you ruined the replacements like dude. I tried to explain to him and I think. In retrospect if I had more power or cash I would have said listen. Let me or somebody mixed the album as an album. And they'll let Chris mix the singles. You you ruined. Oh with with that kind of mythology. There was a precedent that was there because Jimmy Dean did the mix of hardly hardly wait. Yeah he had done which was pushed. A radio didn't sound that much different but that was the idea. It's got a little bit more snapped. Yes Matt finally got a chance to earlier this year in May go back back to the tapes in and mix them with kind of your original. You know the rough mixes or what you had in your mind back in. Eighty eight is a blueprint and obviously we got the go-ahead from pollen the band to sort of do this and I think it's one of those things that in the replacements catalog. Generally the replacements did what they wanted and we're happy with the results is is one of those where you know. The circumstances kind of force them more. I sort of pushed them to sort of hand off the record and I think again while it did what it needed to at the time. Commercially I think the overall reputation and I it hasn't aged as well L. is maybe some of their other records and I think this is kind of way to correct that and also I think to put a lot more of the band back into the record is is is people have heard you know of the tracks have been previewed in once. They get their hands Sunday. It really sounds much more like a replacements record In a way you're hearing kind of an particularly with the bears Ville stuff. You're hearing that evolution. So it's it's a really kind of A. I think we're all kind of excited about that. Opportunity to kind of have that thinks that one thing. That was interesting though is we kind of made a decision when Matt was mixing and we're kind of forced to certain by certain tapes situations to kind of mixed the record as you had tracked it so it's like when you went to Paisley because you ended up doing some additional overdubbed overdubbed while the record was being mixed and so really. This record is very much the record. Had you mixed it. You know in September October of of eighty-eight when you went back to the tapes were there things that surprised you or you know we a lot of things you do on this restore some live drums. There's you I know some tempos that had been sped up after the fact so it's much more true to kind of what you guys recorded. Yeah absolutely well yeah. Some stuff had been sped up. I'll be you lenny had recommended that we speed up a little bit. So that's what happened in the mix and then what was it Oh they're blind. They're blind was really fast because it was a completely different tempo right where it was just like. Oh my God yeah. We had been sped up quite a bit during the mixing process. And I've completely forgotten about that but also back to back to your point. We done additional recording. While Chris was mixing we'd gone back to Cherokee and we were doing additional guitars and military and stuff like that we cut some Vogel's will those be reels. Were lost right so those the things were gone so when I went to mix the stuff. I'm like Oh my God. All this stuff is missing so the downside is that I had some things I would have liked to have incorporated but the upside. I actually mixed the album the way the band and I had intended the one we turned into Warner Bros. before they said add the stuff and change the tempo so usually something and I do want to say that Part of my process for mixing was very discreet. Guitars left and right and bring in the background vocals. In and to me I really tried to reinstate the charm and the melancholy of what the replacements are as much bluster as they have also really quiet sadness in some of the things I brought him. Were Slim's background vocals. That are so tentative tip and almost whispered and that was really missing in Chris's mixes and and and also like Paul Center that I took the group of all the guitars. Those Chrissy you put a bunch of course on guitars are a little sketchy in the tuning. And things like that so I just kind of put things back to where they were and I try to incorporate more of their personalities and that kind of how do you the version of from the Sessions sounds more like some guys have all the luck by Rod Stewart. But in a really amazing there there's some real sense versions that are there that totally south like that. Yeah guilty it has as many of you know. This is kind of the culmination of a thirty year journey for Matt and for Tony. And we're very appreciative that they joined us and of course deadman's pop op is available from Rhino. Now so hopefully all kind of take from this conversation some interesting things but really For everyone go listen to the box set and listen to The work these guys did so To Matt into Tony. Thanks for sticking with this for three decades and letting US letting US pull you in here next album by a great banned. Yeah and thank you so much for this conversation today to. I do want to say thank you for being a real believer in the band and you push I mean yeah three or four years years of back you know behind the scenes work you did before this record for the flame you will have the faith and rare of hair as you can see. I've Gone Ray. It was really. I mean I just remember just consistently every few much hey matches hang in there. It's going to happen you know and this went on for a couple of years. Well I may not be very very smart but I'm determined so so again. Thank you to Tony.

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Gene Steratore And Preserving the Sanctity of 4th Quarter Leads, Liz Berlin & the Pittsburgh Women's Music Fest, Joe Grushecky & More

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Gene Steratore And Preserving the Sanctity of 4th Quarter Leads, Liz Berlin & the Pittsburgh Women's Music Fest, Joe Grushecky & More

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She and thousands of other students receive this last semester Ashley Kaufman from Greensburg Says University did not refund her pro-rata tuition for the last part of the semester after it was forced to close a campus because of the covid nineteen pandemic, she claims the online instruction was a breach of contract and was materially deficient to the classroom instruction that she paid for. A moment of silence was held for victims of the coronavirus on the floor of the House of Representatives the number of US deaths past the one hundred thousand mark this week. There are more than one point. Seven million confirmed cases in the US. Most of the forty eight thousand hourly workers coming back to work for General Motors next week, the automaker will begin increasing production at its pickup. An SUV plants around North America. Starting Monday, three factories will be expanding to three shifts next week. People are really starting to lose it in the pandemic Connecticut woman under arrest for allegedly spitting in the face of a wrong way shopper police in new towns. They Martine Shenzhou confronted a man at the big Y which is grocery store chain there. She asked him to turn around because he was going the wrong way. In the one way I'll. When he refused to follow the social distancing, directive said to have started screaming at him before she spitting his base, she was later arrested and charged with breach of peace. And in a world where more businesses are making masks mandatory one bar in Texas, doing the opposite Liberty Tree Traveler Tavern is actually telling people not to come in there wearing a mask. which if it's a bar? It's kind of tough to drink with a mask on, but a sign on the door says anyone who feels they need to wear. One should stay home until they feel safe. Without one bar calls the pandemic, a ridiculous fearful time that says it is GonNa follow the state guidelines for limiting capacity and social distancing. I. Don't know it seems to me that. There's a Texas that's that's very on brand for Texas, which is always been its own country. I mean you could. Basically present Texas with all the evidence in the world and say and now you have to do this to protect against. This this horrible thing and they're going to focus on the half to part. Wait a minute. I don't have to do anything. It is. A story that would have made my parents say all that somebody with more money than brains cognac more than two centuries old brought in ridiculous money this week. The seventeen sixty two bottle brought in one hundred forty six thousand dollars at an online auction yesterday, so the bees out auction house, says the go, Ta Cognac is one of the oldest cognac there. Only three bottles remain. One of the bottles was sold at auction in two thousand fourteen. 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The outlet reports indication this your show will be canceled an executive from A. E.. G. Presents the company that produces coachella at earlier this week. It doesn't seem likely that they'll do it this fall. By ANALII Neil, young is creating his own bootleg series. He said on his website this week that he'll be releasing famous Neil young bootleg himself. Except with better quality sound, he wrote. We have ripped off all of the original art from the bootleg, and the only difference will be the radically better sound from our master's first official Neil young bootleg will be a solo acoustic set recorded in Nineteen seventy-one. Showers and thunderstorms today some could be severe with damaging wind and hail high around eighty sixty six a DVD. It is the morning. Show a very busy show for you today We got Liz Berlin in the first hour today. There's a big festival going on this weekend. Virtually because of the pandemic. Of course, they couldn't hold a live show, but they're still going to go ahead with the Pittsburgh Women's music fest this weekend room. That MR smalls facebook page, so we'll talk with organizer Lin Berlin Elizabeth Lynne about that Sean. Collier will review double team, the high note and quantum. Know if I've heard of any of those actually. Double Team the the movie that we made him watch. That was the worst movie ever with John Claude Van Damme. Bodman. S. Call Great Call. Also our buddy gene stare tour. We texted him this morning to see if he joins us to talk about the proposed rule changes in the NFL. What's going through? What's getting shot down jobs? Shakey's have a good time, but get out. Alive got the digital makeover on its fortieth anniversary and tonight on DVD. We're going to be playing the entire thing. Start to finish, so we'll have joan the show eight, Forty Five, and remembering the Ninety Two cup team Mario on the boys sweep over Chicago with Joe. 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Pita is urging Cuban to jump on this opportunity to revive Pittsburgh Institution in a way that protects animals, the environment and the health of the city's residents. He said he hasn't been able to work anything out yet, but he's inquired about it, so it's not even like a definite thing that he's GonNa do but for. I don't think you can take the dirty Oh and what made it great? And then turn that into Vegan restaurant because a dirty vegan dog does not sound. There's something about you know. What if you're going Vegan? It's because you the cleanest possible experience. Dirty. Oh represented the exact, opposite, culinary and aesthetic experience. It was half terrifying when you went in, and you knew that was going on that. If somebody from Osha or the health department walked in at anytime, the entire place could get shut down before you finish your meal. and. That is not a veggie Doug Atmosphere. No, it's like trying to take a brothel and turning into like a Christian mingle coop. Like. Let's just have. Conversations like that's not why we're here as HAIRDO. Mice got your sports when we return after the break, also Liz. Berlin talks about the festival going on this weekend, the virtual. Festival or Pittsburgh Musicians, but this is this one is for all women because well, it's kind of crazy. The Pittsburgh Women's music. Seventy percent of stages at festivals over the past few years have been all male, so they're just trying to give to even it. They wanted to be a little little more equitable more towards fifty fifty, so they're. They're doing the Pittsburgh music festivals. We also jobs. shakey's classic album have a good time to get out. Alive got the digital remastered treatment on its fortieth. Fortieth anniversary tonight TV plays the entire album. Start to finish. We'll talk with Joe about that Joe Barton Remembers the Cup team from ninety two with soft dumps and our genes territory. We're GONNA. Sneak them into the show to talk about some of the proposed rule changes in the NFL which ones are gonNA find. Which one didn't Michael Moore on that sports coming up next the locations? DV. Sports. Mike Boorda why. Worked felt brought to you by. Blue serving. Brady somebody who you you at all. That he makes breakdown. Joe. I don't know what we can do about that. Assuming, and I'm being hurt. Here of got it in my head, so looks. Go ahead with the sports packing area. The felt virtual owners meeting took place yesterday, a couple of alterations made. But the fourth and fifteen alternative to the onside kick proposal ended up getting tabled steelers President Art Rooney the second. Telling Bob Role of steelers dot com that he perceived to be too much of a gimmick coach Tomlin and I just didn't like the idea. There will. Since it was tabled, there will be further discussions about something other than what we have now, which is an onside kick? Protocol thanks to rules changes in the last couple of years. That is basically. That have basically made it impossible to recover an onside kick. The percentages fallen from twenty one point two percent. Prior to. Two, thousand and eighteen when they changed the rules for player safety to a ten point, four percent success rate last two years I think they really need to do something there and give a team that's down by more than eight points in the closing minutes viable shot at scoring, getting the ball back and maybe scoring again. Apparently, it's not fourth and fifteen from your own twenty five yard line, and you have an untimely down to convert a first out of the ball, or give it up to the defense and pretty much loose again. They did they did pass. The proposal prevents teams from. Manipulating the clock late in games by committing multiple dead fall files A. Bullet Crawford would probably call the Patriots, rule or the latest patriots. Since it happened to the Patriots the. Rule the general. You can't do that anymore. the clocks going to start on the snap now if the offense commits a dead ball foul in the fourth quarter or in overtime, so there's no vantage they're. Defenseless player protectionist been extended to kick off and punt returners. Bob. I know that's a safety thing, but boy. If the punt returner has no threat to get into said. Why would you ever call for a fair catch or you? Penalizing players that can hang hang the ball up and a lot of coverage guys to get down there. And the number of players who can return from the injured reserve list in season has been increased from two to three. Penguins player Representative Chris'll Tang did a media appearance. Virtually yesterday talked about the proposed twenty four team returned to play playoff format. About the penguins a position they're in and some of the details including. The effect that fans have and how? Not? Having any fans is going to be noticeable to the teams into the players, but it's something that the NHL can and will work around. I'm and I. IT'S GONNA. Be So different But honestly like. Guys will get used to it. Quick IBM zone, they gonNA be focusing. It's IT'S GONNA. Be It's GONNA. be so different, but. eventually after maybe a period or two or maybe a game. You GotTa get used to it, so things shouldn't. Affect. I think the guys at all how you know what you're paying for and Your focus should be made me on that. The Best of five format which right now they're going to use in that first round the play in round, and they might use in a couple of subsequent rounds. That's not something that Anybody's got much experience with either. One thing that comes up. Often is the fact that. Everybody's used to the best of seven You know it's a structure You know I'd field if you lose the I. Do or you win the I do are. You kind of know all this scenario that can go through a best of seven I. Don't think there's any players in this this league right now. That played back the day on three on. Three, best-of-five. So I think it's just a an easier thing to to just put A best of seven, because everybody knows what to expect, and you have no no excuses of not being prepared for that. I'm going to have a blog posted today. On DVD DOT com about the penguins history. In Best of five. It's not that big a deal. It's just different math. Just do the math if He, says taxes I feel when you're down to L.. Well, know how you feel about one hour up one. Oh, you gotTa win three before they do. It doesn't mean it's not going to be a great series. It doesn't mean it won't be exciting. It doesn't mean it won't be memorable. It just means it will be different that I. Think is the least of the adjustments that have to be made. Mike our buddy on our sister station ninety six, one Mikey had a great suggestion. I think that before whatever starts. We need a recap of the season. Because the PLOTLINES, the story lines you know when you're watching Ozark and it says previously seen on. I, don't I don't remember other than that. They were on a slide. When the last time we saw them, they weren't a whole. Trying to battle out I think were going to play Columbus. If. Memory serves me correct but I. don't remember all of the plotlines. who was having a good run? Who was struggling? That's a great idea because it's kind of like game of thrones I haven't seen it for a year and a half, so you forget right? The names of the dragons and details such as that unless you're. Cam Hayward. Jaime Roos. Yeah, he did you know the names of you? Watch it right? I watched it I just didn't know the name of the dragons. I mean I had no idea, I didn't watch it like no. The name of the dragon level like I I was watching. It been drawn somebody. There are the dragons. Those I said Ginkel he's. He's not her name. That's the other thing. Police wasn't her name. It was like a title, right. Yes! All right that's about as far into it as I got. Chopping heads and Things of that nature. You really need a whole lot of detail. Penguins and Blackhawks game to the ninety two. Stanley Cup final on tap for tonight on at and T. Sports, net and on brother station, one, zero, five, nine, the Ex. We rejoined the series with the penguins having rallied from a three nothing deficit in game one to win five to four on home, ice dependent won seven straight, coming into the series and Brian Trottier told the a buddy. Josh gets off in the Penguins Radio Network that. One of the reasons they were able to deal with the Blackhawks team that had won eleven zero entering. That's Daily, Cup final even down three nothing was that the penguins had the necessary confidence. While there was lots of hype on this and obviously both teams being so strong and coming into the finals, and having the success that they had walking into the finals, and really you're walking into. You feel like you're flying a little bit, but you're walking in because there's. There's obviously the the prep time the anticipation, all those those nerves that are that are swirling, and you want to try to have composure in poison, those kinds of things, and and maintain a sense of calm and and rationales, so to speak, and but you know we're. We're Gung Ho where we're ready. were we're at home and all of a sudden. We're down three nothing, a home, ice and It's it's. It's not looking great, but you know positive year. We're looking at all the positives of Saint. Like we we've got a lot of game left. this is This is going to be a marathon, not a sprint, but each period is going to be broken down. Shift is going to be broken down. Let's let's hunker in. Take a look what what they're doing, but we have to do to to slow them down the same time. We're not doing and improve a little bit where we were taking unnecessary penalties where we were. Necessary risk, all those things could just do a quick head, check and dot, check and everything else. The team does and the playoffs and the finals, and all of this ridiculousness that goes around the world around it, but it was It was an interesting. It's going to be interesting rest of the game so to speak. Head. Check a gut check. That's all takes into postseason. Just figure out as it goes what what a special penguins team! That was chase. Elliott won a NASCAR race at Charlotte last night. That was a delayed event from Wednesday. Denny Hamlin. And Ryan Blaney third and the Boston Marathon. Canceled yesterday for the first time, and it's one hundred and twenty four year history because of the pandemic. Try it again next year. Bows got news coming on top of the hour. What do you got Valerie? Talk, about how one one hundred three year, old woman celebrated her recovery from Covid, nineteen. Former arrested group member Liz Berlin has been at the helm at Mr Smalls Theater and supporting local regional music as much as anybody possibly. Could this weekend's music festival that's going to be. Streaming now the virtual. Version of the Pittsburgh Women's music fest. She's GonNa. Tell us all about when we come back here on the free iheartradio APP. Hey it's Randy Bamut in the morning show welcoming our friend Liz Berlin from Mr smalls this weekend. The The folks at Mr Small Pretty Cool. Event going on. It's the Pittsburgh Women's music festival. The livestream event and Liz joins us now via zoom. Hi, Liz, how are you? I'm hanging in there, so this was originally supposed to go down this weekend. In a non Corona virus world was actually scheduled for for March, but we postpone it for an entire year because you know Rona. Right. It's hard to do anything right now, but you know. You guys won't be deterred. You're making sure that this is being put on one way or another. Absolutely absolutely you know we wanted to. We work so hard on it. We didn't want all of the artists feel like you know deflated, so we wanted to just still amplify the feminine Voices Pittsburgh, Anyway we can so. You don't interesting stat that I saw. A pitchfork article cited in two, thousand, Eighteen, seven out of ten artists on music, festival, stages or men. Yeah. He wasn't you know that was a lot of the inspiration for this festival? You know we to alike flip it and just or our reality, a little bit to the world and you know so. That's why the theme of the Festival is. A parallel universe is in a parallel universe there. You know it's reversed that the. Well, it's. It's just kind of crazy to me to think that Lilith. Fair was like twenty some years ago, and I thought that was like the start of this huge feminist movement on the festival circuit, and it never really did sort of catch up to where it should have been. No really didn't really didn't. You know you would hope it was wonderful. But you know life just went on as life went on, and the people in power get making the same decisions, and so we're just trying to create an alternative world, trying to create a little mirror into a parallel universe where Reverend's representation is flipped because we wanted lift, we want it to be equal. We went an equitable Brian! But. We want to show just a different reality. Okay, so who are some of the artists that are going to be participating this weekend? we've got so many amazing are s We've got We've got just line We've got. When you get to listen up here so many of course myself I was just going to say. Do it at interview about this, and you don't have the list in front of you, Liz. Elaine Brittany. Shantelle Kelly. Zulu Jess Klein hollowed. Sky Barbara Andrea Iraq. Live cello looping live looping. How cool is that? All Awadhi Carmen is a class an Indian classical both list We've got Holly Hood. representing Pittsburgh Special K Caccia Rocket Loves Blue Molina and Gabriela GR. To students of mine from the relax music camp that I. do every year saw got Selah my students for. it's going to be amazing. That is awesome. Okay now. How do people tune in and log on and be a part of this? Well, there's there's GonNa be information on He's GONNA BE STREAMING FOR MR smalls facebook page, so just go to Mr. smalls facebook page on Saturday at five PM We're going to be raising funds actually to help the families Tony. Turner, who is a really amazing Pittsburgh artist who was who disappeared at Miers She's been missing since new, and so we're raising funds to help. her family in her star search for her, and a lot of artwork is well well. You continually do great stuff for the community and you guys at Mr. Smalls have always been there for the artists in town, and it's so great to hear that. Part of what you're doing with the. You're helping to mentor these these. Young songwriters and bring them along, and now they're like a part of this festival. That's such a cool, thank. You must feel very gratified. Extremely I'm so proud of them. You know they come a long way. They come into Mikeandmike like shy and like I read these little songs. Or them and it sounds very real, and it's amazing, and now they're all out nine coffeeshops, gigs and so cool. But. That's like invaluable. You know you're a big deal. You know like you are a big deal and people. You know the fact that you're accessible to younger artists, I mean imagine how valuable that would have been to you when you were their age if there was someone who had the wherewithal to reach out like you. And Mike do it Mr smalls. You guys have built this community so good on you and I'm super proud to know you. Both and I'm I'm very excited to see how how much this weekend's event raises awareness in a much needed area. Thank you so much. Appreciate Fat, Liz Berlin this weekend. It's virtual now, but hopefully next year it'll be back live. at Mr smalls the Pittsburgh Women's music festival. The Parallel Universe livestream event on Mr Smalls facebook page on May thirtieth from five PM until eleven pm. In all of the the details are on that facebook page as well. Are you guys hanging in there, okay? We're doing okay. You know we're we're we're? Six and stuff up. You know when we do open. It's going to be better than ever solar. conjuring. Our little spots and schemes good well hanging there. We all need Mr smalls to be there when we get live music back and going again senior all right. We'll see Elizabeth Lynch the DVD morning. Clue I like a lot paper airplanes I don't think there are a first ballot hall of fame. Those go right next to the stick, right? Now, I think stick is in there. I think a stick is in. My big mistake. Stick versatile could be anything yeah I. Mean Wand stick his stick as the original. A, bat the first toy. Golf Club. is in the toy hall of fame, but sticks is not in the rock and Roll Hall of fame. That's a good point. Dick beat sticks in this point. I wonder who point, but like I was GONNA say. cavemen probably played with sticks I, but then I just thought well. They couldn't pretend it was anything except the stick. They didn't know that there was other things out there. I want to pretend this as Iraq. Randy, Baumann and the DV morning show. The stick was inducted into the toy hall of fame in two thousand eight. The stick may be the world's oldest toy. Animals play with sticks, and we use them to play fetch with our dogs. Children's find sticks and endless source of make believe funds sticks can turn into swords, magic wands, Madrid batons, fishing poles and light lightsabres when children pretend with sticks, they cultivate their creativity. Their imagination. Are Not only possibly the oldest toys there possibly the past. Well let's slow down onto a map. They're not the best. To the partners cleaning sticks up out of the living room. Not The best bows. Got The news for you now here on the morning show what's going on Valerie? Here's a channel. Eleven severe weather center fund severe weather's Central Oven. We are at sixty six degrees now at dv Em val porter. Hundreds of Minnesota National Guard. Troops are being sent to Minneapolis more than five hundred soldiers are going to Minneapolis and Saint Paul to deal with protests over the death of George Floyd a black man in police custody. The guards at on twitter at wants to make sure fire departments can respond to calls. Protesters have set fire to several buildings including police station wear four officers involved in. In the arrest of George, Floyd worked out of demonstrators, surrounded the station and let the front of the building on fire yesterday, police abandoned. The station is other fires were burning in buildings nearby and prosecutors in Minnesota say they won't rush. The investigation into the death of George Floyd Hennepin County. Attorney Michael Freeman called for patience as the investigation into Floyd's death moves forward Freeman also assured the public that prosecutors have detailed plan for prosecuting police misconduct. Officials and residents in western Pennsylvania counties hope Governor Tom Wolfe will announce today that we are among counties that can transition to the green phase of reopening next week, if allowed to transition to the green phase, hair and nail salons, as well as gyms will be allowed to reopen restaurants as well, but with restrictions to help prevent the spread of Kobe nineteen. And the Pennsylvania Department of Conservation and Natural Resources planning to reopen state park, beaches and pools Pennsylvania Governor Tom, Wolf said the beaches will be open for swimming, starting June sixth and polls will be closed until June twelfth capacity at beaches and pools will be limited to just fifty percent state parks and facilities, though within the red face, counties will remain closed. CVS, adding two more drive through testing locations to Covid nineteen four cove, nineteen, rather in the Pittsburgh CBS location on West. Yuban street in Cranston an Wilmington wrote. A new castle will both offer self swab tests. Reds at residents though will have to sign up the CBS website to make an appointment. JC. Penney is planning to start permanently closing down stores next month. An attorney for the retail outlet told bankruptcy judge yesterday that certain stores would be opened another three to four months before it shutting down, it's believed over two hundred stores will shut down and JC Penney as we get some rent deferrals for a few months. They declared chapter eleven bankruptcy earlier this month. McDonald's employees at Oakland California say managers had them use coffee filters and dog diapers for face coverings at the start of the coronavirus pandemic and. Signed by twenty three workers, they said at least six con- contracted the virus and spread it to family. Members may were given disposable masks later, but we're told to use them for multiple days. McDonald's workers in several cities went on strike last week to call for further protections during the crisis. The owner one Oakland, California restaurant, said those claims of the alternative face coverings are false. I'm concerned as to why they were dog. Diapers and McDonald's to begin with. FIDO was in heat. So just toss us over your face while you're the only thing they can burgers. It's the only thing that grimace has after a bad night, you know. More than a third of Americans it shows signs of clinical anxiety or depression or both amid the coronavirus virus pandemic data from the Census Bureau released last week reveals the psychological toll of three months in isolation with effects on employment housing, finances, education and health anxiety and depression appeared to be higher in young adults, women, and the poor mental health experts say the government has a responsibility to address the problems exposed by the survey and researchers are warning of rise in Syria side and substance abuse if they don't. One hundred three year old woman is celebrating. Be beating Covid, nineteen with an ice cold bottle up bud light Jenny's Stana of eastern Massachusetts is the first person from her newst. Home? To get diagnosed with the COVID nineteen virus, as and sickness worsened, her family was uncertain if their great grandmother would make it, so they were prepared to say their final goodbyes, but then miraculously and unexpectedly she started to recover in mid-may since then doctors say she is virus free and she celebrated by enjoying an ice cold bud light from hospital bed, surrounding surrounded by family members. Did you see the video this? Awesome. Like. Oh, that's cold. That's you. Know you don't WanNa be. That old ever, but that will be you have a good constitution got strong jeans. Yes I know hundred and two years old. Beating a pandemic and then pounding appear. That is very on brand file. Old Lady Val Porter. Though. Yeah Although by then I might drink. Something else knows I change every once in awhile. How you navigate the alcohol highway you just you can do. Your ear off. And you go in another direction for a while and enjoy you know what I mean to this now and then I went. Wine is my thing. I went through Let's see beer phase. Than, whiskey sours. Then Bod cranberry. Then back to beer and wine. Just, I mean I told you about my scotch based. Don't don't ever do Scotch. Yeah Scotch will kick your ASS Scott. Johnny Walker Blue. Good he'll. Built drag a bunch that one night my neighbor left him at my house bills. Can I drink this I'm like I'll head and he got rock on that stuff. I think when you're in your thirties. You have this idea of like what an adult is and you're like well now. I'm going to be the guy who drinks Johnnie Walker I'm gonNA. Be I'm gonNA DRINK, with. Yeah Johnny. Walker neat poor for black red. Let's do it blue. Yeah, I got a little extra money now. I'm an adult. And then you throw up in an alley and you're like you know what I don't like this. I don't like this. This people On TV and movies and they're just drinking straight liquor and they don't even flinch like I wish I could be that person. And they very rarely shown wanting on on madman. Right it's like they're drinking water. To kill us, also one. That will get you there quickly. Alley. Keells like cocaine for me. Man It just I go right to. Isis. Holler in? Mom Drinks. My mom drinks Tequila yeah because she's. Impatient and she wants to start the party and she doesn't want to wait a long time to get their. Stuff to do well. If you are brave enough to take a vacation this summer and you're thinking about heading to the Beach Dr Beach Dot Org has released the annual list of ten best beaches in America. Number. Ten Beach Walker Park. Kiawah island South Carolina. Number nine. Is Coronado beach in San Diego. Coastguard Beach Cape. Cod Harpoon a Beach State Park. Big Island Hawaii number six cal DC island state park in the Dunedin clearwater Area Lighthouse Beach in the Outer Banks Duke Kahanamoku Beach in a Wa who coopers beach in South Hampton is number three number. Two ocracoke lifeguarded beach in the outer. Banks, number one Grayton beach. State Park in the Florida panhandle. Beaches in the country. I'll be deboned beach in the country last year. The the one we went to wasn't that number one. Speech not really. Nice beach. Was Nice cat DC. Island State Park is done in clearwater. That's number six. devaux is doing its duty now for the pandemic, the classic New Wave Band released its energy dome face shield to help protect followers from covid nineteen. The energy dome is the famous Red Devaux hat, which is now equipped with a plastic face shield featuring the diva logo. You can get the Energy Dome Face Shield now at CLUB DEVOTE DOT COM. L. John is hosting a rocket man watch party tonight Sir Elton tweeted yesterday that the watch party will begin at seven PM, Eastern. tonight and invited followers to tweet along with him while he streams the movie. The Watch party comes on the one year anniversary of rocket man's debut at the Cannes Film Festival finally Alice Cooper is revealing hugh. He would want to portray himself if a bio pic about his life ever gets made, and it's probably not a surprise. The legendary were legendary rocker said in a recent interview. He thinks Johnny. Depp would make a good Alice Cooper. They're pals. He, said Depp like to play characters. No one else wants to play and joked would would only work if he were just better looking. The two men in two, thousand, twelve on the set of the dark shadows, and Alice says he thinks that Johnny knows him well enough to imitate him while they're in the Hollywood. Vampires band together right. So, they know each other and I I know exists, but I've never heard anything from. Like I I know of that band, but like isn't Joe Perry in that band. Also I think I think so. Yeah, it's I've heard their stuff, but I. don't remember it so. Am I the only person who thinks that Johnny Depp is. Her horrendously. overrated. As like what is, I can't remember the last movie that I saw that I loved him in. Blues, great and blow. Yeah. Oh, yeah! Donnie BRASCO. He's awesome in that. He was in Ed Wood. As Times in public enemies. That is Christian slater in that. I don't think so. It's about John, dillinger. Christian Bale I, think is the Elliott nece. Yeah. Was that a good movie Mike I heard that was. I thought it was phenomenal, but I love I love that period so I'm Kinda half in to begin with, but yeah I thought it was really well done. By like dialed up. Hollywood vampires online and it looks like a lot of. Older dudes, wearing scarves and hats, so it's the servant hat band. Scarves. They. All look like they've come out of the dust bowl looks like they might have just got out of A. Yes They might have just been escaping Oklahoma because of the drought. Are there a lot. Bracelets also Bangle Brady tons of bracelets, a lot of people versus nagging. Of snagging potential onstage lots of brothers laureated necklaces with opals in them. They all ripped jeans, trying to get out of Oklahoma to it looks like and. Lots of necklaces dropping underneath the scarves. It's a scarf necklace hat band. Basically. I wish I was cool enough to dress like a rockstar dude. If I could dress wearing the scarf necklace hat combo I would do it all the like. If you look cool doing that, that would be. A great. Off. At. least try it. Came in the morning show. With we were talking about. How do you want me to scarf scarf and hat up? Yeah, tried out on us. I don't just try small crowd. I've been so confident that I'm not a scarf and hat guy. I have no scarves hats. I have plenty. I can let you. Draw. Those gloves fingerless gloves. Either out well a Lotta people in the Hollywood vampires appeared to do those I don't know. I don't know if that's what you can easily move tumbleweeds out of the way when you're escaping. Tattoos or big side of your finger front of your finger like. Just really little like a script. Yeah? We have to have stuff on your arm to write those tattoos. We have stuff written on the inside of your forearm. Like I say but like. Yeah, but everyone in the Hollywood vampires looks like they need their readers to read. Whatever's on their arm? What's your test, you say. I can't remember all on a second. Let me get my readers and they have large print. For the. Eighteen tattoos. Sean Collier for Pittsburgh magazine on the line right now and we made Sean Watch double team. From the Dennis Rodman Catalog of movies Dennis Rodman and Jog Claude van Damme. Joining us now. How are you man? I'm I'm I'm better for having seen double team bill bill I believe described it as the worst movie he's ever seen. Do you stand by that bill? I do I do. So naturally, my response then was well now now I'm watching it for reference. Pursued has told me to watch gone with the wind about once a month for years still haven't gotten to that. Robert says a movie with the worm, and the muscles from Brussels is terrible. I'm on it in a matter of days. That's how it works. Frankly, show, give a damn. Good good if you haven't seen a double team, it's the plot of every van Damme movie ever. There's a bad guy. He got away once now it's personal. There's a weird side mission on a creepy island. Most importantly Rodman plays this kind of mercenary black market arms dealer guy. The best thing about Rodman's character is, he's constantly making basketball references, even though the character has nothing to do with basketball, they will. Take things details about Rodman's career. He's not playing Dennis Rodman. He's playing a Belgian guy named as. There's a scene where Rodman has to throw a thing at a thing to blow it up and he misses and vandamme says you need practice, so Rodman says all. I hate practice. Yuck Yuck. Somebody that you to ask. Why didn't they just make the character Dennis Rodman himself. Van? Damme is playing a fictional black ops operative. Rodman this playing Dennis Rodman who moonlights as a mercenary in Belgium I believe that Dennis Rodman does that I believe that's what Rodman is doing with his life right now. The movie one three razzie awards, two of which Rodman one himself, but let me tell you Dennis Rodman is not the problem here. If anything, the scenes with him are better, the problem is this movie feels like it was written by a seven year old. Who was trying hard to do a very good job? Everything. Everything is so on the over the top that you can't say. It feels like a parody because a parody wouldn't be this on the nose, a gas container blows up. A motorcyclist catches on fire, and someone jumps tank through a moving train. That is the opening credits. Where do we go from here? It just escalates when we finally get to the show Mickey. rourke is the bad guy and he's very fun to watch, but Van Damme gets there, and before they start fighting, make is like well. I, you're going to have to survive this tiger, which I've trapped with you on an improvised minefield, so the villain of this movie on the way to confront the hero stopped to pick up a bunch of land mines and alive tiger. So what I'm saying is it's great. It's a great movie. Come on! it's obviously terrible, but man is a great companion piece to the last dance I think Dennis Rodman more now. I feel better about him. He might be one of the more misunderstood public figures of that era. Of course, yeah! Especially you know what really turned me around. If you get to the end credits, there's this kind of club track like a little bit of a new Jack Swing thing. That's somebody I think a drag queen featuring Dennis. Rodman is the music over the end credits, and it's like I think he was just kind of an ahead of his time. You Know Queer icon. Ru Paul's drag race time that we just didn't get in ninety eight. You know. Yeah, they would eventually go on to save from Nuclear Annihilation Annihilation in North Korea so. All right well. We learn. Double Team Yeah. I have not seen double team I only remember its existence I think I've ever watched it some. All right. Tell us about the real don't. Yeah briefly the new stuff, the high note as a music industry drama of Tracy Elvis Ross. She plays an rn. Be Icon News navigating the the greatest hits phase of her career It's good casting. Be Australia Ellis Ross. Best known from the succumb blackish is of course, the daughter of Diana Ross, so she's basically playing a version of her mom. That was in my head in a weird way. Because Ice Cube is in the movie as a manager and the entire time I was thinking I was looking at ice cubes. Son who played his father in straight. Outta Compton so the whole time I'm thinking man. Ice Cube Son looks exactly like his dad now and it was actually just ice cube. Basically I was making the mistake I'm hoping all the Pittsburgh eventually makes with me and my own more successful father. That's what. I think yeah, that's. That's already. We're already on that one happened. I, notice is crushed ice, right? That's his name credit. Yes, crushed ice, which the switch the thing on the fridge and you get his son. The movies, a nice little inside baseball kind of story. It's easy watching kind of stuff. It's a little disappointing, because it's focused way too much on Dakota Johnsons side character. It left a lot on the table. Nothing I'd tell you to avoid, but nothing I'd. I would tell you to seek out either finally. Blood quantum is a an eerily timely Zombie movie. I guarantee somewhere somewhere in the world right now is working on their current virus. Benefactor Samba movie doesn't matter blood. Quantum accidentally got it done. Ahead of time about this native reservation Canada where a Zombie plague is sweeping the earth. The only in the indigenous populations are immune, so they're trying to fortify in protect the reservation from the infected. So, amazingly timely, a good Zombie movie besides on the streaming service. Shudder right now. I absolutely recommend it, unless for some reason, you don't want to watch a movie about a devastating global pandemic right now. So why would you WanNa? Watch that that makes perfect sense, and I would be remiss if I didn't mention having discussed. The career of Jean Claude van Damme this weekend only up at the riverside drive in in Armstrong. County, it's about an hour from Pittsburg double feature tonight through Sunday of sudden death and Slapshot, so that is certainly a week and. John Collier Pittsburgh magazine Sean. Thanks so much man appreciate it. Thank you. All right we'll see mice got your sports. We return here on the DVD show Gene Sarah tour. Talking NFL rule changes and rule amendments shot down in the virtual owners, meaning jobs shaky, celebrating forty years of having a good time, but get out alive, and we're playing the full album tonight on DVD. Start to finish the digital remastered version JOE will join US eight, forty, five and Joe Partner. At nine forty, five with another soft dumped segment, celebrating the ninety two Stanley Cup, champion Pittsburgh Penguins. That's still to come here on. DVD E. Sports. All Right Mike got your sports now on the BBC morning show. Sports brought to you by dormont appliances. Anybody else a little disappointed that the NFL owners in their virtual meeting yesterday decided to table that fourth and fifth alternative to onside kick. Yeah, Because it would be fun. It felt a little usfl to me, but I still thought or xfl, but I still thought. It would have been fun just. To see the NFL willing to change something like that because they're so conservative with everything else. Do you think it was? was them getting a little being a little gun shy because the rule change that they had last year with pass, interference was such a miserable failure. Absolutely. Steals President Really Second, told our Buddy Bob Lab royal that he and Mike Tomlin thought it was a little too much of a gimmick, but I think we have to go back to that recent interview that the NFL Executive Vice. President of Football Operations Troy Vincent did with NBC Sports? About that a little bit this week Vincent. Made himself accountable for that pass interference fiasco. The challenging of non calls as well as calls and disaster that that was last year. Vincent, said quote. We failed first in line. And he said the reason. Why was they didn't do their due diligence and he went on to say quote. You can't rush and just shove something in there without knowing all the consequences and we found that out last year live and in action publicly, so yeah, I think any type of significant high profile changed their all the sudden very cautious because they don't want that to happen again. That was a mistake. It was an overreaction to one play, basically a high profile play, but one play nonetheless and. That's why they're proceeding with the incredible. Caution my disappointment. Stems from the onside kick being basically a non factor now used to be about a twenty percent chance of success twenty one point two percent. From nineteen ninety-two through two thousand seventeen was the success rate in two thousand eighteen. They changed the rules. Adapting for player safety, running starts, and how many guys you lied up on one side of the field, and that kind of thing and the success rate is now ten point four percent twelve successful onside kicks in one hundred and fifteen tries i. just don't think that's realistic enough I'm watching an NFL game and my teams down nine with a minute half left, and we have the ball. I'm not thinking. We have a chance to win the game. Because even if you score, you're not going to get the ball back. So. You shouldn't be down nine that late in the game I'm. There is that, but ideally you want these things to be in doubt as long as possible, so people don't turn the channel and business gets done, and then everything else falls from there, but yeah good. I'd be a good idea to be the team. It's ahead by nine with amid. You're in a better spot. crystal Tang the penguins player Rep. Did a media conference call yesterday. The NHL is planning to return trying to get over the health hurtles. Before it enacts twenty four team returned to play playoff, format and low Tang views the plan as progress, but isn't forgetting for a second, the concerns that have to be addressed regarding everyone's health and wellbeing. Yeah, well, obviously, the safety safety of the players safety of. The people that will be traveling and be part of A the group die goes there. That's that's the number. One thing guys WanNa WanNa be secure there. and I think that the families do it's It's a it's a situation that It's not a road trip for seven days or ten days like we. We were used in season. Guys need to be away from their family for an extended period of times. And our kids, so I think there. There's there's a lot of things to really focus on on this part of it. We've not talked a lot about that part of it, which is just I was just gonNA mention rent-. Nobody's talking a lot about that part of it but I think that's a significant part of it I mean. If. Our bosses come to me and say you got to move to Fargo north. Dakota for the next two months. Do the show from there, I. Don't know if I'm down without either I mean. It's beyond just playing the game. Their their lives are being affected by this the players and as much as everybody wants to see sports. At what cost I think we have to continue. Ask Ourselves. It what caused, but it's different from every player, too, so there are plenty of young guys who don't have families. You're like I don't care whatever I just WanNa play and I need to make that money now than there. Guys like Crystal Tang whose financially secure for a couple of lifetimes, and he's thinking well. I have my second kid now and I already have a myriad of health problems that I am juggling as it is in the best of times. Why do I want to put myself in jeopardy? Remove myself from my family. Also what so I don't get heckled from some dude in central Canada who thinks I'm not tough enough. Rope pitch too much. or They won't. Happen every time. When I hear Crystal Tang. I do think that I wished that apple would make his voice like one of the Siri options. Now. that. He's fine. He's fine health wise. He has investigated that and he doesn't think he's at risk. He had the stroke a couple years ago in the hard issues, but He's ready to go if they go in a manner that is acceptable. Penguins already in Nineteen ninety-two. We're kind of celebrating this week. That ninety two championship. Penguins sweeping the blackhawks in the Stanley. Cup final eighteen sports net and our brother station, one zero, five, nine, the ex game two four tonight spoiler alert the penguins win it on the way to sleep of the Blackhawks and the ninety two team similar to the ninety one team. They both want cops, and they both had to make some significant changes in season, and before the season along the way to doing so here's Brian Trottier with Josh gets off the Penguins Radio Network. Well you through the whole year there was some some interesting things going on. Obviously injuries play another another another part of things You know there's there's some dynamic. There's some I. think some some push and pull with with with player demands whether it's not enough lifetime too much ice time, new faces coming in and getting taking. Time away from other players that have been there before, and there's dynamics that happened through through through a season and everybody's kind of readjusting, and you know obviously, we feel a chemistry that's going on through that year. and it gets adjusted. You know Craig Sensing it Asking veteran guys like myself enjoy mullen. Gordie Roberts. You know what what the sense of team is obviously you know. There's new coach behind the bench. Bench boss so to speak with Scotty and we had bought the year before so there there's. Some dynamics going on through the season and all of a sudden boom. Rick talk shows up. Yeah Rick, talk it! He was that year's Ron Francis. And what an acquisition! What a player would a tough guy a guy? The Pittsburgh hated with a white hot passion when he wore the lack of the Philadelphia flyers at embraced immediately what he put on the penguins. Jersey guy who played through anything would do anything and really spearheaded helped spearhead. I should say that drive to the second couple you heard Bryan trottier a reference to change behind the bench Bob Johnson passing away and Scotty Bowman taking over our buddy, phil deal to nine or stop by the morning. Show this week and acknowledged that Scotty Bowman. Bowman took a lot of getting used to that was not a flip of the switch change in terms of how the players accepted him and dealt with him, but once they believed they were all in. You know I felt you know the Washington series was was a memorable one, two and the comeback there and I really felt that's were we saw the true Scotty Bowman. That's where Scotty Bowman. And the Pittsburgh, penguins actually connected on some level that I didn't think was possible to be honest with you. I just thought it was too much of a personality discrepancy but we found. Was it was really it was. It was special and we carried it through, and we started really believe in in Scotty, and we saw wide Scotty was wing winningest coach in NFL, history He was great behind the bench. is is pre scout meetings the details and and just the words that he said really got us to believe the way we believe Badger Bob Johnson, we started to really believe in Scotty Bowman. Capital series of penguins were down three games to one in the first round, after having won the Cup to your before they were turning the puck over playing horribly taken penalties, and they got blown out in game, four at home, and booed off the ice on the way out, and they switched to a one to to delay for game five, they decided instead of US rushing irresponsibly into the offensive end in setting up. Odd Man rushes the other way. Let's sit back and let the calf start turning the puck over, and we'll take the odd man breaks and. The rest is history. Scotty Bowman's guy. So hard to deal with back in the day, everything was a mind game with them. One of his players at Montreal. When he was winning the cup four or five times in a row, the Canadians did. Steve Shot set of Scotty, Bowman. We hated him for three hundred and sixty four days out of the year, and on the three hundred and sixty fifth day. We got our Stanley Cup rings. While that's a great quote. So you know kind of blowing checking and you put up with what you put up with. Because you know he's going to get you where you WANNA, go. Yeah, but Mary didn't even allow him to go to practice. I think Mary. Was it the year after. I think I'm trying to remember that yesterday I didn't which was supposedly the best of of ninety, one, ninety, two and ninety three. That was the best team of all of them, and they got knocked out early. Islanders. Overtime Island. Even, Scotty. Bowman wasn't immune to that That's a that's a playing with thing. That ninety two team. Check that out tonight if you're Jones for a little. Penguins back in the day that was another phenomenal club. Teased territory coming up eight fifteen thousand news top of the Hour Valerie. What are you going to be talking about? Well to famous former pittsburghers, Joe, Manganiello and Jeff Goldblum are teaming up for children's hospital. I'll tell all about that coming up. Plus our virtual Valedictorian winner I again. Thanks to the thousands of entries that we've got for that contest. It was hard to pick a winner, but we've come up with one and we'll have that for you a little bit later on this morning Yoga shaky also at eight forty five tonight. We're playing. The digitally remastered have a good time, but get out alive rock and roll royalty. Coalesced together to make one of the finest rock and roll albums of that ehre little, Stephen, Leaving The the production of that album to go do the river with Bruce Springsteen and then Mick Ronson from David Bowie ban in one hundred per month, hoople takeover along with the with the Popovich in the legendary crew that put that record together. So Joe. We'll have memories on that for you. Coming up at eight forty five here and I wanNA remind you that DVD has partnered with duo lingo to support local Pittsburgh restaurants admit affected by the stay home. Stay at home order. You can go to DVD. DVD DOT, com check out the duo lingo I. Heart Western PA Business Link to find area restaurants and businesses that are open for drive through delivery takeout and other things, Butler hot dog shop today. Give them a shout. Seventy four to eight, seven, fifty, four, sixteen. They got dogs Chili onion pickle. You name it. They make every drop of chili sauce in the house. It's all fresh Butler hot dog shop, just one of the many listed on the duo lingo iheart western PA business link on DVD. Obama DVD morning show. We'll talk with jeans territory next hour about some of the proposed rule changes in the NFL, the ones that gone over the ones that didn't. We talked about pass interference. Being, do a basically, it was just so brutal last year. The implication or implementation rather of that new. Rule was a mess from day one. But I know you're very upset about the onside kick thing not happening the alternative to the onside kick. That is Mike So. Kicking around gene coming up. I'd like to see something if not that something to make it a little more real. But to bill's point don't be behind. Be The TV. That's ahead and it's not an issue. A woman in England. Now gaining international fame. Her name is Shannon but. Channon twenty two year old aspiring influence her, which is the thing now just being an influencer? Take pictures of yourself. From make enough enough. People want to just see you and products. They come calling. Influence her back in the day of lures. And things like. Apple Lincoln. Yes. The original Franklin Long John Silver. Creek's on? Posing provocatively with hush puppies. Or the actual long. I'm at their long done summer one's. Good Yeah. Well I. Mean that all complementary you. You are emblematic of all things. Pennsylvania I I. I. You are you. Are you're like a? Small Town PA representative. Yeah, no I! Roger Tory. Well, I'm from a small ish town comparatively, but not like. You're from Lake your from a big city small city. Small City. You're from a town were. There were eight people in my high school class. Wow, and were there any other high schools? We are the only school in our district. It was rocky Grove. Franklin had probably a couple hundred in their. Classes and Mary. Were suburb of Franklin. Well at any rate, there were no. influencers back in the day. During the pandemic I feel like people are making lots of mistakes right now because they're just desperate for attention and everybody's throwing these pictures up and maybe not doing their due diligence Shannon but from Gloucestershire England. Posted a Selfie. In the bathroom. And she didn't realize her boyfriend was in the reflection of the Mir wiping his butt. And though. So she posted it, and she's like trying to look all hot, and then the guy's wiping his arse in the background. It was up for almost forty minutes before they flagged it and they're like. Hey, you can't. Do you know so. She has now become famous for this. Now. She's going to have to convince her boyfriend to wipe his, but in the back of every picture that she takes going forward. This has to be her thing, right? Who called yes? Or what's her? What's her HER FIRST ENDORSEMENT Into instagram flagged it. Apparently, they don't want pictures of guys wiping on instagram. That's got to be a different Graham. INSTA- wipe something I don't know. But she is now. Gaining, tons of followers val, so you know you have to do? You gotTa dance with the one the brea. Yeah. Make yourself famous. In other Dumb News Police are looking for a guy who spent all of Memorial Day vandalism vandalizing a school while naked in Florida again. This is you know we talked earlier about the Florida stories. Miramar Florida the guy spent the entire day on Monday, vandalizing highschool naked around eight. AM early bird gets the worm. Kudos to this guy for starting bright and early. Provoke into Miramar High School, which is closed because of the pandemic news inside the school until six am. He was just rampaging. This is either bath, salts or PCP even exist anymore. Yes. Okay. It's one of those two or are they the same thing? Twenty two hours worth of rampaging breaking computers spraying graffiti flooding parts of the school. He did one hundred thousand dollars of damage all while naked. He now the cops. Footage of rampaging. I mean that's impressive twenty two hours. Bowery, asking. How what did tools did he use? And how did he carry them? I think he was just grabbing them from around the school. He also found some headphones and he had headphones on. He's running around naked with big headphones on, and he was just destroying everything, so people are starting to get a little crazy. Yeah, it's time to open things up so. He also didn't have a mask which was very irresponsible by the way if you're going to rampage school. Where Masters! Be considered stories at the Miami Herald and you can see his mugshot there if you like. A little bit later on this morning. Joe Barton soft say look back at Ninety Two cup team for you and a virtual copy house jobs shaky vows got your news next Valerie. I'm going to tell you about what Joe Manganiello and Jeff Goldblum doing for children's Hospital. Good stuff, also the winner of virtual Valedictorian contests will be named ten. AM. Stay tuned DVD. You need to put it back in that box now and less subjective plays ball in the hands of officials in the art that they have honed the skills that they have learned to get to this level, and then guess what like players, if after a couple of years you can adjust from college with also the NFL as an official and you don't work in the philosophies we want, then you. You move on to another another job. type of careers well just like the players would be. can't fix it. Up footlocker. Games wake for you know a lot of guys into Thailand. Hanging there big I after the end of this game, we're going to be working better. Brandy Bellman and the morning show. Gene Sarah Tour and fell officiating Guru joining us in about fifteen minutes. Val has your news right now Devi. WHAT'S UP Valerie? Here's a channel. Eleven severe weather center for on severe weather central oven. It, sixty eight degrees, et DVD, the news is brought to us by window. Nation suspended pirates pitcher Felipe. A veteran is facing a new child porn charge in Saint Louis. According to documents obtained by the trip is charged with account of furnishing pornographic materials to a juvenile, which is a class A. Misdemeanor. The alleged incident took place in Vasquez's hotel room and Saint Louis last July sixteenth with a fifteen year old girl. As is in jail, facing more than twenty felonies in a child sex abuse case, he was arrested in September four, allegedly, sexually assaulting a thirteen year, old girl in two thousand seventeen, and is being held without bond is next. Hearing is set for June twenty third. Health officials in allegany county, adding twenty-three new corona virus cases to the overall total. No new deaths were reported by the county. The state reported one new death in Western. PA, they said it was in allegheny county, but no other deaths reported in the entire region, according to stats in the Post Gazette new positive cases include nine in beaver county. Foreign Butler one in Armstrong. Washington and Westmoreland counties. No new cases in Fayette Greene, Jefferson Lawrence, Mercer and Somerset counties. The Department of Human Services is reminding Pennsylvanians that help is available for people who need assistance during the covid nineteen pandemic Secretary Theresa Miller outlined several programs, including snap Medicaid and the Children's health insurance program. She encouraged those who have lost income because of the outbreak to explore all of their options for help. A state REP is accusing the Pennsylvania House Speaker of withholding knowledge about a colleague that tested positive for covid nineteen representative Brian Sims says House Speaker House Speaker Mike Tur-. Zai should step down and the attorney general should investigate the GOP. House Speaker Turns I, allegedly knew at least one member tested positive for the virus, and that those exposed to him would go on quarantine, but they didn't go into quarantine until they were done. Serving alongside Democratic House members Sim says he's frustrated by the nondisclosure and possible exposure the virus because he donated a kidney earlier this year and many other members are or have kids that are immuno-compromised. I I gotTa Tell Ya. If that happened in our workplace, I would probably issue video. Being Justice pissed as that guy was. Oh yeah, Joe. Radio with the corona virus and don't tell me about it and hang out there for a while I'm going to have an issue with it. Then for Suda. Let's just don't agree right now. Full disclosure on cove it okay, let's all A. Just A heads up. Okay, we've been doing a good job working as a team remotely. Let's just when we come back together eventually. Let's just have that as our policy number one. REVEAL ANY COVA diagnosis. Fat Sick. And they weren't told with. Would there be a potential for a lawsuit? Because wouldn't that be the case in a a normal workplace? If the bosses knew that somebody was sick? Didn't tell him to step down. Yeah! Val I know there was talk of legislation being passed though Valerie that would. Protect employers against any lawsuits, but you know if you put somebody intentionally in an unsafe situation. Boyd hard to imagine it'll be protected. Right if you know, somebody is sick, and you don't tell anybody, then that's that's a different story. We, to do the morning show, sorry. CLOUDTREK. Don't tell the rest of them. More than one hundred of the four hundred seventy five Westmoreland county employees furloughed in March have returned more are expected to be back on the job next week. County Commissioner say they do not expect any furloughs to be permanent and hope that full staffing will return by the end of July. Commissioner Doug Chew, says the offices are being rearranged to ensure social distancing and plexiglas barriers are being installed to protect employees and customers. Some people are mistaking their stimulus payment for junk mail and tossing it. That's because it's in a plain white envelope only says. He network cardholder services, and there's no check inside the irs out prepaid debit cards instead. Nearly four million were mailed last week. So if you get an envelope that says money network card holders service is open it. Even if it is then, you can shred it. Here's a question that I have for people that work in tight spaces, especially like those big office spaces where there's only cubicles. would. Bringing in link, an oxygen tank work just because. You're sharing the same air as everybody so. Is that going to become a tent? Tanker. Tanker a tent I. Don't know a tender a tank. I mean your own. You gotta be Yo a wake or do, are you, are we? Is that even a possibility? I I'm not smart enough to understand these kinds of things but. I mean the problem with us all being in the same studio doing the show every morning. Is that by the end of four hours we've all were all breathing in each other's air, and whatever your whatever you have, I'm going to have and whatever I ran. He's GonNa. Passing it around. Although the way I look, look at that is that we're taking home a little bit of each other. That's how I like to look at it like we're all. One. Remember how sick we used to get in the other studio. Because if one person got sick, we all got better since we moved to the new studio. That hasn't happened. I know at the rate of the morning shows gone down exponentially, but that would be the problem if you put you know four people blabbering for four hours in the same room. It, it's going to you know eventually. Who If anybody's exposed. We're all exposed wearing face masks in that scenario makes the entire show sound like you're going through a drive through. He's GonNa try that one morning I forgot. The Mascot and I talked about that can meet today. I'm like what if what if we all wear face masks in the same room? Eventually it'll just look too stupid. Disney's reopening will include some changes Disneyworld announced yesterday. It is suspending fast pass plus an extra magic hours dining reservations or canceled for the rest of the year earlier this week. Disney announced magic kingdom an animal kingdom will reopen July eleventh well, Epcot and Hollywood studios will open July fifteenth. You can get more information if you have a visit scheduled. Good at Disneyworld Dot. COM SLASH UPDATES In a bizarre story and Australian, man has been acquitted of wrongfully entering a man's home last year. Court documents show terrence Lee Roy and another man went into a Sydney residents, carrying machetes and confronted the homeowner, but to had apparently been hired to help carry out a sexual fantasy, involving being tied up and stroked with a broom. But. They had the wrong address. Despite, apologizing and quickly leaving Leroy was eventually charged with intention to intimidate while armed with an offensive weapon. The Court Judge did accept his explanation, noting the person who had set it up had recently moved. police say the man who made the request did have a history of odd proclivities. Like masturbating curling tournaments. Okay it is weird. I've been. You really rattled that off fast. Well the BR brooming. I'M GONNA have to forward. You guys to the new address, so you have a whole day i. know this is going to kind of extend the time you allotted. Going to have to see if they allow me to have visitors here, but. You'RE GONNA have to clear security as I am now incarcerated. Joe. Exotic maybe headed for the Florida Panhandle The star the Netflix documentary series. Tiger king recently wrote a letter to the staff at Navarre. Liquors and Santa Rosa County that letter was in response to a letter that he had received from an employee. Joe Exotic is currently in a Texas. Prison in Joe Exotics letter, he says if fans push for a presidential pardon for him, his first show will be in Pensacola. He claims he's in talks for four movies once. He's out of jail which. Isn't it? To jail I was GONNA. Say the rest of his life based on his sentence. Which? Is a real possibility like strong possibility. He was arrested two years ago for plotting to kill Carol. Baskin, who runs big cat rescue in Tampa, he was sentenced to twenty two years. The liquor store employee who originally wrote to Joe Exotic tells the News Journal. She didn't expect them to reply, but she's glad. It's bringing a little humor in these times. Is it. Is it four different movies or is it? One Franchise in four installments is like to Tiger to king kind of thing. GonNa do sure. Him being a dirtbag in the same dirtbag throughout. A nice mark of movies, and he says he says there movies so. I. Don't know if they're scripted. Maybe, he can I doubt. It's going on Claude. Van Damme and do another. Team to. Finally some famous, Pittsburgh. Natives are teaming up to raise funds for children's hospital tonight at nine PM. Joe Manganiello Jeff Goldblum will join some of their celebrity friends to play Jack Box Games and raise one hundred thousand dollars for children's Hospital. There'll be gaming live at nine o'clock tonight on Youtube and twitch, and there is a link on the morning. Show page at D. DOT com, so you can find it easily again. That's nine o'clock tonight. Or Cassidy showers and thunderstorms some will be severe possibly damaging wind and hail and temperatures right around eighty for the high today. It's sixty eight at DB. We'll have jobs shaky on talking about the fortieth anniversary of have a good time. Get Out Alive. It's digitally remastered in all kinds of additional cuts provided on the reissue so tonight DVD's GonNa celebrate by playing the entire album. Start to finish pretty cool stuff. Talk to Joe Virtual Coffeehouse coming up a little bit later on this morning joining us right now from the NFL on CBS. It's our friend morning. Show regular gene S- territory. Good morning, gene. How are you doing man? Everybody, good morning. Good. Morning Good, morning Morning Gene. Gene, how are you hanging in down there? Now I? Know that you've had a you know you. You've been on the toilet paper like sitting on the mother. Load for a long time so I think when this first hit you had to be thinking. You know I am sitting pretty down here I mean you had currency. For a long time with all of those. We we should be loaded up. We did we had we had an abundance of toilet tissue ran. There's no question about that we were. We were loaded up into T P category. For sure no doubt I'll look on the other end officiating in, I'm losing. It I I had to have nothing to rule. Long I haven't ruled on anything for you know for months here it's it's driving everybody here at home and I'm calling cylinder files that you're too close to me. You know we're everything in the house. There's a ruling beautiful. Yeah I mean. That's gotta be driving you crazy, but you. Hopefully they'll be able to to to reestablish. A schedule and time to get back on the field here sooner than later and yesterday one step toward that end with codifying and de codifying some of the NFL rules first of all that pass interference where we all knew that was getting shot down, it was a disaster from day one. Yeah I, think I think we hit it and you know we didn't want to be you know. Skeptics and pessimistic about everything, but I thought we all felt that there was you know a an ability to be consistent on. Let's say you know and and I think that we were proved correct on that unfortunate for for the game itself for a small period of time, but but I do believe we're moving forward and putting judgment calls back into their bright category, and that will be with the judgment of the people on the field right now. Yeah see I think handing more power over the rest is always a good idea. Just because you know when there's that oversee the when they have the looming instant replay on everything I. think it's being everybody kind of swallow their whistles thinking well, we'll just leave it up to the eye in the sky, and to that end. What was the The ruling on the consideration for the additional ref, a pursuit of the we talked a little bit about that the other day. They table that they never They didn't bother to vote on it. Why not? Just weren't ready for it, I guess. was. That does that. Ran Yeah, it's It's unintended consequences right like as you start to implement something that looks really. Like a quick fix, or maybe the fixed were for certain issue. You know they're. They're just just so many additional little tentacles that come off that one. That one item or that one fix one subject, and then what happens in this case then and I think tossing appearance was that that was a pretty good template on what happens with unintended consequences when you add something very quickly and and I think that is probably what occurred right now. They did have it up for Mike said and and it it. It got tabled pretty fast. so I think they'll just continue to revisit. You know and see what how much can we implement technology and the it look in in some of the points that are made in some of the earlier articles that have been written here on the last few does their valid points. You know we sit with seventy two inch. Inch television screen in hd in our homes and thirty five camera angles that come to us within you know thirty seconds of time don't don't put officials in this inhumane category that they are seeing things like that on the field at that clarity, and from those angles not fast. You know it's a it would be as unbear- to the same thing to. To players and and I think that's where we miss this bridge. Little we accept the players and coaches and other participants in Games making mistakes, and then we rally behind them because they're our team with officiating. It doesn't feel like that's ever been the case and we understand that officials do understand that but but there's a level of There's a level of humanness in all of this, which makes the squirt very entertaining and at the same time I think we have to continuously try to tell ourselves I know it'll never happen but you know what when you're getting things correct ninety plus percent of the time there's also a level of talent and ability that's that's actually happening out there that that's that's pretty at a pretty high. High level unfortunately in our business when those those rare occurs occasions you know, take place where there's a mistake we see it again over and over, and we talk about it for four days than the perception is these kinds don't get anything writer. Four dollars don't get anything right, and then we feed on the frenzy and That's part of the entertainment you know hating officials is A. High Point? It's important for the value. Is the simple answer to sky judge. Use It for. Did the guys step out of bounds? Was the knee down? Did the ball through the UPRIGHTS was the plane of the goal is broken, and then leave the penalties to the guys who were supposed to call penalties. Mike I. Think that would be a fantastic way of putting it I. Think you need to get down there and talk as quickly as you can on that subject? Yeah, yes, black and white issues we've gone back and been redundant by saying those things over and over as technology is the only one that I would like to see implemented in replay in all honesty for multiple reasons that have nothing to do with the black and white issue would be the protection of the players. and I say that for so many different reasons. It's a deterrent for players to know that if you use your. Your home at a certain way where you hit a receiver or a player that's in a defensive posture. You're jeopardizing his longevity and his life, maybe or his career, and those techniques can be adjusted to. They will change the way they work. And if they knew that replay was going to look at those potential files over and over, and then pass judgment on the field, able to find to to offenses in an objection where you're hurting your team that deterrent helps, it helps the safety for the individuals which is paramount in anything that we do if we could use technology to help say. Say. You know, make or game safer in better, and then Tru truly most importantly, probably as well as the speed of this game, the angles that take place when those hell, but hits occur, or those defenses player hits occur. This happens in such a blur on the field that is extremely difficult to to officiate those types of plays at at the percentage that's acceptable to be consistent, so put replaying for that we would all take a thirty second pause in our game to make sure that this play was was legal or illegal in that regard, because it's do it for the right reasons but the. The other things as you said yes, I'm I'm fully behind. He stepped out of bounds. You know, and and and maybe the official, the only official that sees that on the sideline writers that player steps out of bounds to players. Go right in front of him and get blown out bounds on the sideline, and it's not because he or she wasn't in the best position. It's look. Three people just came in front of me at the instant. That's what thoughts then it's gone And what do you want me to do just gas? You can't so yeah for those issues I think it would be. It would it would help to gain. You want to help the stakeholders of the game and the product and that would help that. Jean I know that the new kickoff rules that had been instituted in the NFL have resulted in fewer onside kicks being recovered. But Boy they were really changing things up in an effort to fix that I mean a isn't there a much simpler way to approach increasing if you want to incrementally increasing the success rate of onside kicks beside the fourth and fifteen. Proposal, which seems to me to be really cumbersome and. I'm fundamentally. Kinda not really fair, you know every team has a distinct. Disadvantage depending. If you have Pat Mahomes Fourth of fifteen is quite as daunting as if you got a rookie. I totally agree ran and look at your back. We write the new safety. Precautions that have been put in on kickoff plays as we speak to that one specifically right now. On the last couple of years it has made on sidekicks, and I know you guys the stats probably in front of you. I'm sure Mikey does 'cause. We talked about this in the past because of of a of a rule that that was necessary. Necessary again for the safety of the players in the game. It has made this play now. Something that can't be done, but boy. This seems like such a drastic Big suggestion right almost changes the way that we've looked at the game traditionally for a long time, and that that gives me pause because it's. It's like there's there has to be an astronaut from this going on because I. Don't I think what you'd see would be? How many teams then a year or two of this would say look you know what there's a thirty three percent chance that we get the four thousand fifteen. We'll just go for it every time you know risk three or the seven if we don't get it, but if we ended up at a forty percent success rate on the fourth and fifteen play After we started doing this, you may see more of it. I would add excitement to the game. Game more than likely it definitely on that possibility to to come back when it two minutes or minute and forty left and them down eight. You know we just don't have a chance. We're turning on the TV off, so it keeps the game flowing that way. I think sometimes when these things occur, it takes me as a traditionalist and I get nervous, then, because then where we like the arena football thing you know what I mean. It was okay. It was too narrow. Yeah, yeah, optically. It was too much of a change. It just really seem something. That the NFL would never. Consider voting on because it was such a point of departure and. That was the only thing that appeal to me that they might be willing to change things that are necessary if they were considering something that radical. But, it just. Might pursued. I think you'll agree. It would've looked a whole lot different than the NFL we. Know. But you, they said that about the full repass one time back into dates to. Pass the game. Boys rose. Yes. It's about excitement and playmakers making plays right. Do you WanNa see Pat Mahomes take a shot at fourth and fifteen, or do you wanNA see some guy from Bulgaria put the football sideways and try to bounce it three times before it goes out of bounds. What are we here for? Yeah, know I I. I don't know how to combat that Mike Yeah I, mean I? Would say. It does that excitement, but what happened to the other? You know what happened to the other fifty eight minutes. You got your butt kicked. Okay, so yeah. Well sideways with the ball leaning on. The other fifty eight minutes. We stuck you in the dirt. Now all of a sudden you get two free plays done, and we worked for two and a half hours because you actually designed to play for three minutes, we lose. Through. The ball on. Again, but yeah I. I appreciate the entertainment value. We watched what happened with the top. Okay, we also watch what okay with that right? Good right well, listen. Yeah I was, but then if you take other things and think about this a minute, we love the Pittsburgh steelers in the seventies. Those of us that are all because they were so dominating especially defensively in Mel Blunt was six foot two three in a quarterback that would never be drafted probably by his size right now in the NFL, because we changed the forward passing rules so much for what we said was the entertainment value of the public, and that was more points and more people flying around I personally loved as a kid, watching the Pittsburgh steelers and thinking that Cleveland wasn't even going to get a first down today. That's mother defensive kind of the ability. That was exciting to me that that was entertaining to me. But when you put a legal contact in couldn't touch a receiver after five yards. How can you put a very? You know you need now. a quicker a different type of athletes to play that position, so the game evolves, and they do, and it has evolved. I would say. Tim put more points on. The boards have more scoring to have more offense. Offense equals entertainment to the stakeholders It may not. Gene thanks for your time this morning and I just want to say that it must feel good to know that should play resume this year in the NFL that referees will be the most safe from contracting the coronavirus, because they're never anywhere near the play, and no one wants to hang out with them after the game anyway so. Here's what's crazy ran. We went into social distancing. My life hasn't changed at all. I'm willing. To talk in the anyway, nobody. Based no one says a low to me. The only challenge I'm having I get older as I realize now, and it's helped my new job when we're wearing the masks which I urge you, please. If somebody that sells these things as well. Please put you want people wearing the masks. Yeah, yes, we wanNA wear the masks. We want to wear the masks because we want to get back to as much life as we can facing a pandemic. We can't beat, so please put the mask on and make it tight and uncomfortable around your face, so nothing comes out on the sides. Please do that, but I can't read lips anymore. I've gotten older and lost top. The now next to someone on there, talking to me and I'm looking at but what? What I realized that I've been reading. People's lips were the last eight years of my life. It's me well in the middle of the football field when coach Tomlin would be yelling thirty yards away. I knew exactly what he would say and. Play now because I can read the lips officials when they're talking about something in the conference, but I'm having a difficult time being able to read lips in my regular life, so we'll have to stay zooming it. Let's just zoom it now from now on. There, you go all right gene territory NFL on CBS. Hey, thanks for your time. Stay safe band. We'll talk to you soon you to talk soon. Okay, all right, we'll see. Mike. Pursued a with your sports when we return here on the depot prices. Dv Sports. Mike Sue of your sports right now on the morning show Mike. Sports Center brought to you by bridge. Ville, plights, book, great stuff there from Cheat Stair Tower, I I'M NOT GONNA say I stand corrected, but I'm rethinking it. He made some compelling points. Regarding defense and the fairness of given a team of four thousand fifteen that has been getting its arse kicked all day They've tabled it We'll see if something comes of it eventually. We'll also see if the NHL can get back on the ice. There's been a lot of talk about that this week. Including this from Crystal Tang yesterday on what happens now in terms of the players, getting ready individually and the team eventually getting ready collectively. I think I. Think you know when you go into training camp? You like teams really trust our players to to do work during the season which is training hard get stronger, better conditioning, and as you get in training camp view like the actually worked two things the try to work collective stop, and also like the tried to bring you up to speed, so I think in. Does FACE TO INFORMAL SKATES? I think it's going to be up to the players actually ramp up their Dirt their work and make sure the they're able to. Do to really like. Simulate like. Conditioning of style of game, and when trained camps, GonNa Start Acting coaches well ray focus on the collective side of thing because you don't have that much time like you said and you're going to get right into it. Though you WanNa, make sure that your team game is is is. topnotch. Show I. Think I think it's GonNa be really up to the players to do the work in in that face to on the ice. And off the. That's great stuff. From Latonya. It's up to the guys. You better be ready to go. If when there's a training camp, because that's when you have to revisit the power play in the breakout, and all that technical schematics stuff no time to be getting in shape wants training camp. Start you better. Be there already as for what's at stake here it's it's not anything anyone has seen previously, but they are Assuming they start again. They are going to give away a Stanley Cup at the end of all this, and that means there is an opportunity at handler. Tang said yesterday. The penguins are well aware of that. I mean we always going to bank on? Guys like said Gino. That's got. Tons of success in the playoffs, so obviously experiences a big factor in this case, though it's so different geyser originally starting from from scratch so The There's no momentum going in I think it's. Like there's no favorites. What Nice everybody's starting wall, so I think it's it's. It's a great opportunity for every single team now so I don't think it's a better one or a worse one for any teams I think the fact that we'll be in stoppage for maybe four months before we start really playing games There's no really advantage for anyone. I would agree with that is really hard to handicapped know who's the favourite? WHO has no chance? That kind of thing that you usually do going into the playoffs, but I think because of the penguins. Collective Competitiveness, which is driven by Sidney, crosby. They're not gonNA come into this thing. Half Baked. I wouldn't think some teams may stick one foot in the water and kind of see how it goes and try to assess it as they go along. I think the penguins will be all in for whatever that's worth. They're going to give this what they have. Mike I. Think you know a a shortened playoff tournament like this? Where the players haven't gone in a couple of months, you're going to draw from experience so a team that hasn't been in the postseason in a while or doesn't have a bunch of players that have been there and done that. They don't stand a chance in this format I don't think. Game with the one thousand two Stanley Cup. Final on tap for tonight on at and T. Sports Net and our brother station one zero, five nine, the X., the penguins. Getting Ready to take on the blackhawks after rallying from three goals down to win five four game one I like him about three, two, one two nine. Maybe something like that. Very specific. Bill goes on Ninety Two cup team with a nine forty five south. Dump this morning here on DV invalid have news coming up at the top of the hour. Hey, gallery, what are you going to be talking about? Well we're gonNA talk about something. We could all use right now. The happiest songs of all time. Is! The. Number one is a great choice. Okay it's a great to. Joe Gracia may lease miles. Go well. We could definitely all use smile. Our jobs shaky when we come back. Celebrating forty years I have a good time. Get Out Alive. The digital re release is out now. We'll talk to Joe and have a virtual coffeehouse. Such an next on the. It's the DVD morning show and joining us right now. The one and only jobs shaky leader of the house rockers here on one two point five, dv. What's up, man? How are Ya Grey Band? How are you I'm hanging in there buddy now. I had a chance to talk a little bit about the digital reissue of have a good time, but get out alive, and this is pretty cool for those who have not heard what is going on. Let them know how. How different this reissue is from the album, they might have in their their collection at home. Well. It's fortieth year anniversary, so we went. Through my archives in Dugout sixteen songs never been heard before. Versions Most of them were demo tapes that recorded here in Pittsburgh. There was a studio in Williamsburg Code Asterix Studio. It, we recorded. Just about the whole. What you know, our take on what we thought directly going to be before we went up a couple of coverages, rooster blues by lightning, slim and Do did eighty old man-for-man from the excited. Just not yeah. and then there's some studio out takes hers actually in Hunter is Working on putting Songklod hypnotized together with us in, Ian. Eddie Brit or guitar I myself and make Rosner sort of sit round in in. It's basically just a genesis of the song before song. Do just starting. It was just getting a groove wanted to get to guitar. Parts screwing around at the lyrics. so that's. Really different thing. It's like your fly on the wall in the studio. Yeah, most of the stuff is You know. Ross. Pittsburgh in some of the songs were playing in the studio in an clubs. Everything before we went to New York and hooked up with Mick Ronson and Ian, Hunter and Stephen since so having those big names. Ian Hunter from Mata who bowl and Mick Ronson from David Bowie spiders. Mars Steve Van Zandt part of springsteen's group I mean these are a lot of big egos. How did that work in the studio to have that much firepower in seventies and hey, you're you're joker shaky for crying out loud. That had been at times a little combative. Well surprisingly, it wasn't surprisingly wasn't because Steve Popovich. Was the designated. Steve Popovich more immunity from Cleveland. International Cleveland Entertainment, the company that US and ahead meatloaf at the time. They had signed sausage Johnny when he was at epic Stephen. Was instrumental in getting sausage Johnny signed. He Produced Saas is records that Steve Popovich produced I mean I'm promoted. And Steve Popovich also had on his label at the time in Hunter and Mick Ronson ahead to the record I. You never alone with schizophrenics had a Cleveland Rocks Song. So so they were all really really respectful and really really great fringe Steve Popovich. And out of a Out of respect for steep, he kept all the balls juggling in the. Talks and So it was about two or three weeks was two weeks anyways closer to three weeks. We're working on stuff in. Stevens was working on a Bruce's the river at the time. Got The power station we're at media. Sound. A couple blocks away and at some point Steve Bowed out to work fulltime on on a river. When he bought out. Then then in hunter came in. He Ian Enda. Mc were best friends. So is very relaxed atmosphere most of the time. It was just one guy at a time work with us. At three guys, you know. at each other spurts it was. It was an experience of a lifetime. I mean like you said. They have all three of those guys. Working is just amazing. When you listen back to the stuff, you did back in the day now. How much of it feels like something you would do? In Two thousand and twenty, and how much of it feels like all I? Had that to do over again I might have done it this way. Well the record. Is I don't think it could have been dieting better. You know There are some decisions that went down about what songs we're going to use them in some of the arrangements. And But look back back at it. I mean it sounds it sizes, greatness vital. Today's came out forty as did forty years ago, and that was a record at willing stone called. In classic voice said, we were the best band in America on and on and on, and if you put it on today, we did remastered. It comes roaring out. Yeah, it sounds great so I'm really happy with that. At this point, you know A. Router at this point in your career to people who might not have been around now. The house workers were a big thing around the country like you said rolling stones. Rave Reviews Neil Young was coming to see your show. She had guys from Pink Floyd were showing up to see you. There was a big buzz around the not just the country, but in the rock and roll world about the house rockers. was. That well we were. We were little different band I. Mean we played? We played hard. We played live. We played fast and I think was says apart from a lot of bands ready Intelligent lyrics and we were socially conscious, and we were talking about a specific point in time in in our lives, and the lives of our country or especially our home pittsbur-. We captured that and I just think we. We became very interesting. Because you know. We were a hard rock band, but it wasn't dumbed down at all. Right all right well. Why don't we grab one of the performances of tunes you did from have a good time to get out alive. Which one do you want us to spend I? Well since we're talking about hypnotized, and in Hunter, let's do that. This is the baby tassie. He was played a huge part in production on this recognise singing backup does some screams and he. He had to be kind of a character to deal with like. God there. One night, a lady showed up and I do. She was shoes Anita pelham shoes Keith Richards. and. Making one night Vocals rest of the band wasn't there. They had a guy hanging out with them. Call Down! Roy Martin be read the Keith Richard Book Roy's. He's personal. Assistant said they said. That's put German lyrics on this you know. Larry Kidman say it's called. Nita How do you say have a good time in German hop I in a good disaster, so we will go on screaming us in a microphone. This is crazy stuff like papers never should work and into stuff we did on. This record should never work, but it was just wanted. Things would all gel all came together tonight TV's playing full album start to finish part of our Friday night full album series, and you should get this if you haven't already. It's Ben available since last Friday the digital rerelease of having a good time, but get out alive Geogra-. Chakib thanks man. Pittsburgh! Get a job and you want someone who's in college and I. My roommate had a car I'm like your car I'd have to go do this job interview and. Like, yeah, you know Dr Stick and I'm like. Everybody totally did know at all. I had a really good. Idea on how to drive a stick. I mean so. I taught myself how to drive. His stick like that was how I learned how to. herky-jerky, yeah! Paulie was not a fun ride. In cuts off. Like. Tolls and stuff just. How terrified you get some? To Stop on a hill oh yeah. That's. Should be okay. Who? His. Randy Baumann and the. Morning. Show nineteen eighty-nine Ford Bronco too. That's what it was. Remember that car that truck. Like the. Others. I think the new broncos coming out this fall or next fall. I think it's big J Bronco though, or is it the SUV? It's. One Yeah. Those are awesome. They were awesome, but I destroyed my roommate's clutch driving to Stamford Connecticut for an interview for a job that I would have been terrible at. But it did teach me how to drive a stick. And then I came back to Pittsburgh and ended up working for the accounting firm here instead of for the accounting firm. Stanford Connecticut and I did tons of damage just left a fire in my wake. This. This city is probably the most difficult city to learn how to drive stick. Which is you know? Obviously I learned how to drive a stick here, but that's why the driverless cars come here I because they're like. If you can do it there, you can can do it anywhere. There's so many can. I had a stick when I moved to Pittsburg. Is. I don't mind the hills is. Being in traffic is the worst with shift. Sitting around the way with a stick, oh! I, had a, I had a white two-door grand dam with. Navy Blue Interior I love that car. Yeah. That's a great car. If I had to teach a kid how to drive a stick shift in Pittsburgh I would take them to beach view. And just how beat you to Mont? Over to. Just over to Kim never reason, pass shift again or to total the car. What what did you want? That's like that's Pittsburgh San. Francisco right there. Well. I lived on Mount Washington I had. A speed when at the first two and a half years I lived here, and I didn't have trouble with the clutch, but I went through two axles because it was so low to the ground. And like constantly putting pressure on the car and I lived on a huge incline on Sycamore. Street, and and every time you turn right to go to my house. Tons of pressure on the axle and those tiny little cars just. Split that thing in half like a wishbone. Value have feel good stuff. Since the the world is a terrible place right now. Well, I'm going to get through some garbage first and then we'll get to the good stuff. Okay, here's a all eleven. Severe Weather Center severe weather's central of. Now. The forecast is not great today. seventy degrees now a DV em val porter, the Republican National Committee wants a full in. Convention in North Carolina, the R. N. C. Chairwoman, wrote Governor Roy Cooper was safety guidelines. They would put in place the letter. Ask you to approve those guidelines and let them know about anything else they might need to do. There's a standoff between Cooper and the president over holding the convention in person amid the covid nineteen pandemic trump has threatened to move the connection. Convention if North Carolina won't allow full attendance in other election-related News, West Moorland, county election officials are still looking to hire up to ninety workers for polls at of Tuesday's presidential primary here in Pennsylvania, officials are trying to fill positions at thirty eight of the county's three hundred seven precincts. Judges are paid one hundred thirty bucks. Workers paid ninety five dollars for the day. If you're interested, you can contact the Westmoreland county elections. In store sales can resume its sixty more fine wine and good spirits stores, the affected businesses are in counties that have entered the yellow phase in the states plan to reopen during the Cova Nineteen pandemic, just twenty five people being allowed inside the store at one time. It's a really small store that's going to be a smaller number. The first hour of the day must also be dedicated to high risk customers going to the liquor store. With many summer camps for kids canceled this year. The National Aviary is offering something for your children. They'll be hosting virtual summer camps for kids. Ages six to eighteen rest of the family can join in as well. They'll have a chance to view exclusive, live and pre recorded content participate in hands on crafts and activities and meet some of the national aviaries, awesome birds all from the comfort. Comfort of their own home. The new format allows the AVIARY team to immerse campers, and behind the scenes, never before seen content opportunities that haven't been offered before during summer camps, the activities might include things like exploring tropical rainforest through a habitat tour, watching parrot paint during the live meet and greet and learning how to make a hummingbird feeder participants can even stay active during burden inspired yoga. Those camps will take place in July for more information visit aviary dot, Org. Slash Summer Dash camps. Bird inspired yoga for people who don't find it annoying enough. Hey, they have yoga. But that's like goats like climb up and down you. That's like a weird thing for people who have that is not yoga. That is people who like go climbing on them. And they just do it for you. They put a yoga class in there, so they don't seem like total Weirdos. Can Look. We all like being in a group of people with goats climbing all over us. It's our thing. How do we do it in Nazi, weird? Class in the middle of it cool, but you have to wear pants. Charlie Oh. Signed up for that Goat Yoga. I've actually talked to a friend of mine that did it, and they absolutely loved it that and Bunny Yoga. Yeah! What but when you be distracted, part of the whole appeal of Yoga is that it's mindfulness and you're concentrating, and that it helps clear your mind, and if the whole time you're going, oh look at the bunny. Just hang out with bunnies. Why does it have to be with Yoga? Just go hang out with bunnies and then do the yoga. Channel Two will look a little different moving forward, Brenda waters has been at the station for thirty five years. Today will be her last day. She is retiring and the Post Gazette reporting, Susan, Copen and Rick. Dayton have both been laid off in efforts to streamline operations that is according to the article. Susan is longtime friend and I love her to death in a wish, her well and She is an outstanding journalists. Who is should she want to get back into? It? I'm sure we'll have no problem doing so. She worked at work for a long time and choose chose rather to come back to Pittsburgh. To be with her family and she is supremely talented, and even cooler than she seems so wishing her the best, I don't know rick, but he seems like a nice guy and I'm sorry that happened. Borough officials in West. Mayfield, excuse me beaver county think someone's been poisoning cats there over the past several months, several cats have been found mysteriously dead along West Eighth Avenue with no signs of trauma. A reward is being offered for information leading to an arrest. Excuse me and there's been another rampage I. Think this is the third this week and this one is local. A. Suspect is at large in unity township. After he led officers on a chase while naked state troopers were called to Andrew Lane after receiving reports of a suspicious vehicle, they arrived and found thirty four year old John Mecca of latrobe naked inside after a car chase make abandoned his car and ran on foot. I? Hope at least shoes on because that would be difficult. I read that story and it seems that weird to me. They said he was like getting changed in a car. And then they chased him out, and he just ran out naked or something and I was wondering. Was it not his car? Did he get into a Rando car and and take his clothes off because I've heard of people into people's. Now I going to say. Where was he just incredibly impatient and screwed up the steps of how you go out somewhere and waited till he got into his car to start putting his pants on. Chair I mean I've gone on outside without a belt on before and thought. You know it's just come. In that. Yeah. What were you GonNa? Say you heard of people doing what? Randy it's gross story. Just people using cars through public. Oh, I've never heard of that. Oh yeah, that's why you should always lock your car. That would not be in my head. I'd be like all right. Let me check all my CD's or not I mean like I. Let me make. Nothing's missing out of my changed dish all right? Now, but you know just. Dude I miss my CD's leave. I missed that huge book of CDs. I have the best the huge the visor when you get the visor one and you leave it on like everybody got it. And then all the CDs fell on their head like none of the none of those visor CD. Helder's holders lasted very long before they finally like lost their retention, and you had van Morrison's greatest hits hit in the forehead. COSCO shoppers are rejoicing over the return of free samples. Lewd stations begins setting up again in June, but they won't be the same new. Sanitary rules will be in place though they're not being completely revealed yet. The one detail that has been revealed as that members won't be able to pick up a sample with their fingers. So I don't know if somebody throws it. Catch it or what the deal. But on game. It is usually. Considered the right thing to do to get into a committed monogamous relationship and stay in that relationship forever, but are we fighting human nature when we do that? The new survey asked Americans, if they think humans are naturally meant to be monogamous or not, and believe it or not. Only thirty six percent of people think that yes, we are definitely meant to be monogamous. Thirty seven percent say no. Not, natural and the rest aren't sure. Men naturally were likely to think. Monogamy is a myth. Forty one percent of men say humans are not meant to be with just one person versus thirty three percent of women. Well police never know what they're going to get into a police chase. In Northern, California ended Wednesday morning with the glitter bomb. Santa Rosa. Police say where they pulled over forty two year old Ara Palmer for leading them on a chase. Well, towing an allegedly stolen trailer, she jumped out of the pickup truck with a hand held blower at that point. She turned it on and showered officers and passing motorists with glitter. She was then taken into custody without further incident. That's horrible. That's the worst never get it out glitter. O.! It's in my house drip over my clothes. Strippers and princess dresses. That's that's where you encounter the most amount of glitter and cards. CAN WE STOP PUTTING GLAMOUR CARDS? Please, one person who sends a Christmas card every year and I know there's going to be glitter in it. I just kind of opened the envelope in peek inside. Marne. George. Data as a use in you know when you go to that like. The youth phase of you know what's fun vandalism? We decided that we were gonNA. Prank this one girl by putting glitter in her pool. And let me tell you something. I got first of all. I can ask for that but like. That's the worst thing to. How would you ever? All, my God during the we. Yeah, we put up, but it's everywhere. We put a bunch in and her dad wanted to murder me. Just flat out wanted to merge me. I think he said something along the lines of. What what are you guys? Get the stones. Just ask her on a date instead of doing this. Of like. We all had a crush on her. So the way to of course show. That was by destroying her pool. George Clooney and a host of other stars are denying they have anything to do with the virtual philanthropy summit that was selling tickets for as much as eighteen hundred bucks Utah based thrive. Philanthropy was advertising the event to feature Clooney and his wife Amal as keynote speakers was also supposed to include. Ryan Reynolds Shirley's there and Matthew, mcconaughey and Steph Curry. The website for the event has been stripped down and you can't buy tickets anymore, so not sure what's going on with that. That, but sounds like a little bit of fraud. Going on there rush going to celebrate the fortieth anniversary of their seventh studio album, permanent waves by releasing an expanded edition today and Steven Tyler will be on instagram live tonight at eight o'clock eastern. That'll be in support of his genie's Fund Foundation, which helps abused girls, and finally we could all use this right now. Recent survey asked thirteen hundred people. What is the happiest Song of all time? We'll start with number ten. Makes you Bob Right So? Let's not number nine on the list. It's not happy, he said. I just don't see the song. Just. Isn't. Anything. Not all that happy but Eight. This, this should be way higher on the list. Sure. Schultz. And Been. Katrina and the waves nineteen eighty three that came out. number never. She never had another hit itchy. That was it not that I'm aware of. That would be if you're going to impersonate somebody. Bass player for the waves like. The waves never really got their do. Katrina. You probably get away with Bass player for the waves. Go ahead. Look into it. Butthole surfers sat at number seven on the list. Body. The video is what makes us a happy song. I agree and that was before. Everybody hated on Chevy Chase. Yeah. Because Like a pariah after Howard stern sort of just dismantled Chebbi throughout the late nineties, and in the early two thousands, his his persona took a hit, and then that infamous Chevy Chase roast where the comedy central hired a bunch of people who didn't know him who were funny as hell like. Greg Giraldo Jeff Ross and people like that who had no relationship with Chevy and went up, just destroyed him in his feelings were visibly hurt, he was. Totally taken by surprise by the tenor of the entire event, and he couldn't even mount a counter defense mount a counter defense, and he just kind of like a few parting shots, and walked off the stage that Kinda put him into that weird space, where then he went to community, and he has reputation on the set of community was trashed by Dan Harmon. Who played all those voicemails that Chevy left him? Oh. Yeah, that's right. And also in that roast, a young Stephen Colbert and Marc Maron where on that roast, I remember seeing Stephen. Colbert Stephen Colbert actually broke Chevy because he was not laughing at. Jokes. He was hardly paying attention. And then Colbert crush them, but Marc Maron said something to the effect of. Me, you don't know any of us. At least I'm like an unknown at the beginning of my career. And it was like Oh like it was all junk punches on him from the start of the thing to the end of the thing. Completely uncomfortable. Start to finish. Yeah, but he was not at that point when he did that video. So like you know. Everybody loved Chevy back then. Number six. I agree with. If you're hammered and that song comes on. At Yeah, I guess you sing along. Number five on the list. This was a huge one in my day. Is Good for for. Golah. You gotTA. Turn the volume down and let everybody scream the the. Part Well. Let's journey does the better living on a prayer. Does Bun journey wander bond journey to do the better living on for? I don't want to offer still stands. Offer still stands for both bond journeys to perform on our show and have a bus journey off to German who is. The best bond journey because it's a great idea for band number one number two, there appears to be thuban journeys in and around Pittsburgh. Right or is that beef been settled? Is The bond journey beef still alive out? I have no idea. Are they both called journey? that. I thought they were are. They thought they are yeah? I made the mistake of saying one was better than the other one time and I got mixed up in the bond journey, beef and I. I want no parts of it I. Think they're both great. You don't want. Beef. This is probably not the Abba Song that I would pick for happiest of all time. Sing along song. No, way! The press. Better. Yeah there's there's a lot better Abba Songs Alba. Number three on the list of happiest songs ever. Think that these are all just songs that make you move. That you can't resist dancing to. there. There's not a lot of soul going on here. I gotta say every one of these has been. Pretty straight down the line. You know off. Al Green Songs. Make me happy to you. Know these are all my dad. Well could have they make. They make you move. Make you feel like dancing? Number two. Pain points mound mystery. Pursued is doing the airplane pointing to the knife in his back move. Number two from nineteen seventy nine. Stop? Know honestly until that movie came out, I don't know that this on registered with me at all. Do have movie ties. Allegations. Have you ever had a good time somewhere and said wow, you were having a good time that I'm having a good time because I never have I've never been like. I'm having good time. I'm having so much fun now. You guys having a good time. DRUNK BILL! Pursue to do it. I've seen preceded trip concern. Waylon Jennings comes on the to box own oppressed. Life. Buds, into the name. And the number one happy song of all time. And again I'll say it's because of the movie association. This was featured in guardians of the galaxy. There's video of baby grew dancing to the song, and it makes me smile every time I. Watch it. Look it up. Good joke. Would it on the website, maybe my dorm? Room and Baby Beard is way cuter. Baby Yoga. Even chart very high. Nineteen seventy eight is when this came out. There may be a reason so many of these songs are seventies and eighties based on the survey, questioned adults between the ages of thirty and fifty five. Serves no nobody under thirty. was surveyed for this so. Forecast today, showers and thunderstorms some could contain dangerous winds and hail and heavy rain temperatures around eighty for the high at seventy DV. Mice got your sports when we return Joe, Barton accelerates the ninety two Stanley Cup champion, Pittsburgh Penguins and soft dumps nine forty five locations. Devi, sports. As your sports right now, the morning show taken away Mike. Today so let's stick with the penguins to close it out here this week. Crystal Tang heard from yesterday updating the media on. His reaction the Penguins Reaction To the twenty four team playoff proposal that the NHL has in mind for a return to the ice. Assuming we get there. The Penguins would play the Montreal Canadians in a best of five that part of the play in round that will will reduce the playoff field from twenty four teams to sixteen the Penguins paused at forty, twenty, three and six through sixty nine games. The Canadians were thirty, one, thirty, one and nine through seventy one games, but crystal tanks said yesterday that. He suspects. The Canadians are a little bit better, a little more dangerous than most people probably suspect. A lot of ski really fast. that's that's something that we've seen in the last few years. We know that they they traded the. Guys away and try to get really young and try to rebuilt so They have the skill and speak so. It's probably something people really. Appreciate it appreciate enough from them. Yeah, maybe one reason why they're speeding skilled didn't necessarily translate to a lot of wins, but Gary price so everybody should be terrified of the Canadians in a short series. It can be stolen Oh my God. What will they do? I suspect if that series displayed, the penguins will win it Lot of celebration of the ninety two club this week as well at and T. Sports, net and our brother station, one five nine, the X. have game to the nineteen ninety-two Stanley Cup. Final the blackhawks at the penguins on tap tonight we all know how that ends and one of the reasons. Why is that penguins team was resilient, and then some down three to one in the opening round against the capitals down to two one and without Mario, lemieux and Joe Mullen against the Rangers and down three to nothing to the Blackhawks in game, one of that Stanley Cup final the penguins. Just took whatever was thrown at them and rolled through it. Filbert. The two nine talked about why that was the case during a visit on the DVD. Week. But. We just shook it up. That's that's just the kind of mental taught that slash. cocky confidence that we had that we were. We were kept long tough man. Not You couldn't. You couldn't penetrate us you could you could Kinda Ding? You know maybe knock it down to a knee, but when we got a lot man, look out 'cause we pissed off. You know. I mentioned this when we were celebrating the Northstar series from ninety one F. Forgot how good a player was! He has become such a personable guy in his second career in the media, but you know I was watching game one against the Blackhawks, the other night and Paul Stat and takes a penalty with about two thirty left in the game. It's tied at four four at this point and the initial two penalty killers at forward were Mario Lemieux and Ron Francis, and the second two were Phil Fork and Bobby. Game The Stanley Cup final your shorthanded. It's on the line at the very end of the third period, and that's the guys they turn to. That said a lot. Those are kind of some of the little things at least that I forget when I think back to these games. Of course tonight's Game Oh, Randy, you got a point while it's going to say much like the last dance. Reignited the debate or at least reminded people of the impact of Michael Jordan. How good Mike Michael Jordan was celebrating all the Stanley Cup champions, reminding people some of the guys that you've seen as media, members and coaches who were former players, reminding everybody why they're in that position to begin with because they were straight bad asses when they were players. That is a great point. It really does take every morning. Get that far and succeed and back then. At least it took the home ice advantage as well. If the NHL comes back this year, it's going to be without fans presumably, but the penguins had gone at the Igloo back in the day, and it was the place to be, and it was something to see. Here's Bryan trottier a four time Stanley Cup champion. Talking about what it was like to where Penguins Jersey in Pittsburgh. Momentum than our side. We what we want, take momentum. We Wanna like like like like. Carry it and move on and keep keep keep the keep the tied in our favor and use this mighty mole in the Mojo and everything that comes with some. Going on the positive energy that the atmosphere the building the fans exploding. Explode my God couldn't hear ourselves. Think down there just so loud. That's that's what you want. You want to beat up that. Everybody does your defense. Does your goaltender does everybody? He's off great plays like that. I remember was It was a big goal. Joe And I got a signals crossed there. We had We had the wrong clipper. He bribed tried to really like playing at the IGLOO and I really miss the Igloo Bill. Might the one of the coolest things about watching that that game the other night. was how much DVD is a part of all those memories I mean DVD's all over the Dasher boards then huge banner hanging over the wall in the upper bowl like it was, it was everywhere. It was just it was just the outfits in the hair and the stands. It was awesome. I'm so pissed. I didn't buy them. I cannot buy them. Faster the walls with those things. With all the pockmarks. That would have been awesome. To possible, miss on his broadcast I mean. It was huge. Dashers find them now or do they. I'm. I'm Google. Right now to see if they're on Ebay. There's A. There's a painting and I can't remember if it's still outside, my office or not, because I haven't been in there for so long, but It's. A shot of one of Stanley Cup games against against against the North Stars. It's a little miracle. That wouldn't went through chambers and Neil Wilkinson. Right and the DVD DASHER board. It's like the billboard right behind the shot. Unreal. Yeah, that's I I. GotTa. Tell you guys. I've I've enjoyed these rebroadcasts longer than I thought I would. Initially, it was like Oh God. It's something I'm going to watch this. I thought it would get old. It really hasn't and it just a little nuances to Randy's point. You pick up stuff that either you forgot, or you didn't notice the first time it's. It's been a lot of fun. A Lotta Times, the speed and the physicality of of the modern. Game Is What stands out to me when I watch stuff from ninety two. You know just how different things were back then and why Lemieux look like he was just. You know a different player. Out on the ice, he was in, you know. Whatever the video game analogy is! He was that you know superstar player out there amongst a bunch of regular joes. Second that series and Mike Keenan picked the wrong guy to mess with. Thinking diving taking shots at them in the media and you know, why would you poke that bear? Italian nobody remembers it better than Joe Barton Nick he's got an episode of soft dumps when we come back celebrating the ninety two Stanley Cup champion Pittsburgh Penguins here on. It's the morning show time for another soft dumped segment with puck off podcast host Joe Barton soft dumps, nothing better than dump to correct good often. With Joe Barton on DVD. Back Fellas I. We're finally down to the celebration of our last Stanley. Cup while that is to say the last one. We've gone back and remembered so we're doing the ninety team right now the sweep. Of the the Blackhawks and it started off with a total gem of a game one game one. Maybe the greatest penguin game of all time I mean we're down three nothing ever remember the blackhawks coming in at one ten straight of the Penguins won seven straight with the blackhawks looked, invincible, were down three nothing the old tonight, and makes it free one. They make it four one, then the great rick scores, but then you are Amir Yager, as Mario says the greatest goal. He's ever seen beats everybody. Long long x course magnificent backhand then of course Mario at the Buzzer with the game winner when I was at thereby heard, it was the loudest, the arena ever was, and that includes ACDC on, you know. I watched that on repeat today. Because I I was getting a thrill out of hearing the crowd and I was like you know you get like chills from watching like that kind. kind of stuff when you're there. I was just remembering the Times I've been in that building and I had that feeling where the hair is standing up on your arms and everything and you just get that like that place was wrong that those chills Oh God and I watched it the Mike Lang. Call in over and over again the the sixty six goal was it like. Fourteen seconds left or something like that. It was definitely I. Think it was about Fourteen fifteen seconds left. I mean it was literally the. Quintessential anguish to. Ron Francis wins the draw. Murph quits the puck on net pounces. It was just amazing. It's such an amazing year. Because this really was the first time we ever had the best team in hockey. I mean ninety one. We wanted to look without a fluke ninety two. We had like six seven hall of famers on that. Is An incredible rod to me I. I just enjoyed being the rangers. Visiting injured lemieux, I still hate Adam Braves. If I, didn't he balls that was playing the guard that we looked up and seven s Adam. Yeah. You've been on stage. They're at Madison, square, Garden. You had the opportunity because bill burr didn't a hold back on off when he was in town. Of course, not I mean, he actually hates off. Grace, because. Of course we one, they did the. Other. Thing about that season is there was There was a lot of drama with the passing of Badger Bob. It was just awful. You know I mean as an adult I cried. At that ceremony and I get it. Oh, I can't remember like three or four times I cried as an adult, and that was one of them was heartbreaking, and then of course, the big trade again and this time we set Paul, coffey loved by all and Mark Recci my grandma. You know Recchi's Italian. and. We get back talking. Whoever would hate is a fire he comes. He becomes a legend a Pittsburgh broken jaw. Played baseball it'd be after for seven years I still love that dude that he's the best I remember. When he told us that, or maybe it was borking. That told us that his jaw was so thick that whenever they did the x Ray. Wasn't a clean break like it was broken, but he still had enough bone. Like strap it up and play again. And then he fist fought people with a broken jaw. I mean unbelievable well. The puck had a decade it. Will the year was You know it was marred by a work stoppage. Right in the middle of you know the lead into the playoffs is it was crazy? Time I remember the work stoppage, remember I the Mike Language the decade of all places during the stoppage, and that's the penguins weren't playing good at that point and I was thinking if they don't play again well the Cup another year. and. I was like I was Mr Langer. You think we're going to play because. WE'RE GONNA learn more tomorrow, and of course you know Mr Lang knowing everything the next day. They said we're coming back acts. What was the show? Do you remember the show had to be a blues guitarist yet? And I've trying to think of his name like thirty times. He was like a poor man. Stevie Ray Vaughan Robert Cray. No Jamie leaves. He was a Mexican dude. The played like Stevie Ray Vaughan and he was always there on Sunday nights like three or four times a year Ramos coming through tout, and that's the show only okay so stevie Ray Vaughan Auto. All right, I'll figure out who that is all right so. Getting back to that, so that game was ridiculous you as you mentioned the playoffs leading up to it, I mean they beat Washington they. They go past the Rangers Sweep Boston, but I don't know that anybody thought they were gonNA end up sweeping the blackhawks in that one. That was just the most amazing part was it was such a roller coaster I mean Washington. We done three one, but we had to beat the capitals. lemieux calls for the trap append with played the trap that year. Stephen Scores Four goals in Boston to shut up his hometown, but one more time. Was Role in that year and then I mean the sweep. For Rasa with a one nothing shutout, even Tommy was on the top of his game against the blackhawks just incredible so. Lou now gets back to back. And you know the talk is starting to begin. The GRETZKY lemieux comparisons at this point are everywhere and his coming back from injury later on the plane, getting injured, you know they seemed like two totally different players in terms of work ethic. Mary always seen me like the game was very natural to not that it wasn't a Gretzky, but Gretzky had more of like. I don't know how to how to say. He seems more like Sydney is yes, as opposed to marry. Oh, which was sort of like? He was an artist. What you know if if the guy just makes it, look easy doesn't make me as any easier like clap and makes playing are looked so easy. Right Mary was just so big. He's had that striding is get there faster. He had the reach he he's a witch. No one else was neat. And he's the King of the witches. He makes every knee perform magic on the ice. Sixty five win game for the only drag of the sweep is that they don't get to win it in Pittsburgh and then the parade goes to three rivers stadium that you're Joe. Yes because it was pouring down rain, it was the first time. There is ever the Nandy state like. Oh, it's raining. We better go inside when it would have been just amazingly awesome. Everyone got to remember. That was terrain. When it was a hurricane, you never got washed out so much snow. We had to do it inside just like they do in Jersey. You know we don't have anywhere to parade in New Jersey. We have to do it in a parking lot. Stadium. And the big move was tried. She ate picked up the cup. Did the big slide around the base pass with? No Man legendary stuff pens get their second cup with that one eight hundred. Sports Pittsburg highlighting those games this past week Joe. Barton nick host of the PUCK OFF PODCAST, joining us with soft dump segment here, remembering. And waiting for hockey to return, you're hopeful, though aren't Joe. A feels like hockey's coming back I. mean that's already hurts so. Joe Be thanks buddy. The best guys. Giovanni Coco Montoya was the Guitar Player. It was trying to think of. Mike Lang's to always talk about going to see Coco Montoya the decade. That's it for us for today. Many thanks, the genes territory from the NFL and CBS rejoining us. Also, thanks, Liz Berlin the Pittsburgh. Women's music fast is virtually happening. And That's going on all weekend. Well, not all we can tomorrow on the Mr Small facebook page also thanks Sean Collier for reviewing the high note and blood quantum. But most importantly or reviewing double team with Dennis, Rodman and Sean Claude Van Damme. Request. Jug with Virtual Coffee House for you. Today have a good time to get out alive. The DVD classic albums series continuing tonight with they start to finish replay. Of the digitally remastered having time, get out alive. Yemen got that or check it out yet. Do So mmediately great stuff great add-ons in the reissue also thanks to Joe Barton a soft dumps segment there. Joe. The virtual valedictorian contests. The more successful we've ever had I know. We want to congratulate the winner of that. We had thousands of sixty second entries and number one. As voted on by our panel of judges who convene for quite a long time, congratulations to Tony from Clarion University of Pennsylvania. The Twenty Twenty Spring Grad of Clarion with a degree in separate areas. Social Studies looking to become a high school history teacher in the fall I love my steady. The people in our voice wherever my life takes me I will bring a little bit of Pittsburgh with me Isn't that so true thanks? To the contest page at TV DOT COM, he gets a two hundred dollar gift card and a graduation card signed by everyone in the morning show and a diploma from the morning show suitable for framing. I guess. Okay. That's pretty much. Pretty much. I mean I. Don't know I'm not there to make sure. It happens I I guess it happens. So we play the winning entry. Up We should. All right good Joe. Twenty twenty. Valedictorian speech I want to tell you my idol joe magazine. He's probably the best. The ten foot tall fellow used to be on a Katie train. He was alleged immigration who ben steel with his bare hands, Albuquerque bridges, tunnels, railroads and I see like kings. That statute was made owner. All European imigrants Pittsburgh during the steel days in the legendary feats at 'em, their workers steel mills that helped shape our mighty city from the ground up. Your turn to go out in the world and helped shape it for two bedroom. Be Like Joe Glass Twenty Twenty and help town receding your state, your country and your plan and always remember gravity doesn't exist. The just sucks. Cheers I. Mean that's just so so good. Great Job Tony Things are much. On top of that, and that's it. We got so many entries. We should do a graduation weekend five hundred. In the wake of the memorial. Day five hundred and limited to the five hundred best and play them and have weird. Paul rank them Monday. Not a bad idea. Not a bad idea I. I was made aware that boss gags. 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S2 E39: Author Brad Thor talks Backlash and Trump

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S2 E39: Author Brad Thor talks Backlash and Trump

"This is Dennis Miller option, your source of opinion stories in laughs from comedian and inactivates, Dennis Miller and his guy Friday, Christian Blat. What's up Hiroshi? Let's light, this candle who, ladies and gentlemen, tennis, nor nay, folks. Welcome to the next episode of the Dennis Miller option. What are we doing today, Christine, giving a lay it out in my current events? Well, we can in a little bit, but in about twenty minutes. We're going to get a call from Brad Thor who has a new book that is out now. And anything that it's about or Brad, Brad will tell us I think I think he'll tell us but it's the nineteenth in the series of his books, featuring his main character, Scott Harvard, and this book is called backlash. What is the characters thing? I'm not much of a reader. So Scott Harvey. I think that's his name now. See, that's the worst genius, his how every author, I know including the great Clive, customer woulda went with Horvath. No. Yeah. I mean, I think that's that's after dark he becomes Horvat or sits down. And I can guarantee you, here's a conversation as I'm not phoning this in. This is not an oak character. So what are my options AT or you Herve f? Not will be Jewish lot anti-semites up there. Yeah. I hire have. People don't know how to say it. You're reading about a character in your head and you're thinking her with an irony because they both sound the same now. That's rutta, Swedes it odd. So if he's not gonna be hor bath as it should be as I posited should be you. Gotta go Harvest Right. And. Bradstock. It's fine. Being the radio anymore. No one here. Anything I've met Brad, he's a little bundle of energy, Iran in numerous stran-, Chicago. He came up to me just exploded on me. Wait a minute. With all you get. Is just the way in. No, he came up and he's a high energy. It's like who else did that the Ray? Oh, the most vivid example, that ever I go into the Columbus cafe one night in New York. What a great bought. And that was the coolest thing and believe me, you know, not exactly halston up in the bleachers, again hand job at fifty four. But I did go to Columbus, and I was there one night would be great. Magnum PI. Robert Duval's table. And but magnetism seat, I go Christ introduce me up and he says, hey, a bombed us Dennis Moore. He comes up out of the thing. So much energy puts this bait met with that, Bobby divall. Just it was. So it was like you were finally meeting a guy that you thought would be like that. And he was absolutely exactly like just high energy super cool. Tommy Hagan coming right up at and Brad Thor hit that sort of energy, just but tinier Brad seemed to be. Like can I be wrong? Five eight little Ashley whippet. Does he seem tinier than me because then yes? He's very small pressure say, some microscopic Christ's sake. You'll have to put a gel smear on put two pieces of glass on put you under the, the van, Leuwen hawk just to get a beat on you see what sort of mood you're in on any given day. But Brad Thor is not going to be here for a while. This van loon Hooker van, Leuwen hawk. You know, I've heard both of those I say, let's just glad that, you know. Because most people would say. The fuck is what was his first name. Can we tell you it can we play a little trivial there? We kept some reason, I'm going to say Antoine, as a possible as names, Anton von movement. Can we look it up? Anton. It is Vanak at all growed up. Hey, I watched a great documentary last night about Macron's, and Ronco called next to Bowie and absolutely super cool. Great old archival stuff, and you could tell people like Bronco, because they came to the fore, including Angie Bowie, and David's pays homage to him a little, I can't quite tell they have a voice over that I can't tell if it's David Bowie, actually or symbolically, but. Proper homage was paid to the great Macron's. And, and you know, it listen how cataclysmic is that he insinuates thing, new at Hammersmith Odeon that night after scant eighteen months? And being the biggest thing in the world me actually seeing Bowie November twenty eighth and nineteen. Geez. Ninety. Somewhere in the seventy and November twenty eighth nineteen seventy-two, maybe at the Stanley theater in Pittsburgh with the spiders, just blew the room. We weren't even completely hip to him. I had heard Ziggy stardust on my friend Robbie's eight track as we drove around in his pill beige duster. So I was a little hip to the music. But jeez, it was such such an anomaly thing to see these cats. And they, they just blew it out. But Ian Hunter from multiple comes off, as a very, it's funny. You watch these guys when you're young, forget, some just working class kids, I- Ronson, and it seems like eight hundred was just a regular guy, and he was singing the praises of his friend. And can you imagine David Bowie coming? This is. This is genius of Bowie. And you hear these stories about the Beatles to where they'll just drop songs that they're having trouble hammering out to friends or acquaintances and Bowie lays all the young dudes autumn. He's here we've done this to death. I can't crack it. You wanna try it. It's like a as I think somebody says, in the movie actually, it's an apocalypse song. You know, and just it's named it's everything and, you know, alien hunter and the things like giving this look like he's really we can have. You just think it's it is all the way to Memphis might be another one. And I've heard some other solo work by huntersville. Let's face facts. I don't know if we know Martha, the hoople, if we don't have all the young dudes, so Bowie just dropped out bread breadcrumbs and moved on. But great documentary, I would give it a tumble who is Coleman us. Have you seen this kid? I don't know if I know, come in Houston, now, they're having slavery reparation testimony on the hill and. Pretty fascinating switched on young brother talking about how he doesn't want it. He finds it insulting. It's sort of victimizing in his eyes. He's our house about given us safe streets, house, about giving us a more lenient judicial system on certain crimes house about, you know, is this looking at I'm thinking, man this kid's about to get Connie van good for you. I admire people to speak their minds and it doesn't have to be the thing in my mind or not the thing in my mind. That's not how I judge it. But when I see a current go in a certain way and somebody walks against it. I'm an amer- to that person. So it gives us a tumble, I think I would do it at this service and his name's Coleman Hughes justifying on reparations before this. Zipper head, Steve king, or whatever the fuck his name is who's the guy who brought in the fried chicken that one night. Oh, that wasn't Steve king. I forget that goes name hang on a guy, you know, looks like skeletal baulky thyroid. That's what's most of five hundred and thirty eight Steve Cohen, Steve comb. Yeah. Yeah. While he's, you know, people start doing the us kid and is there anything groomer than like an old square. Trying to be a hipster, and the Steve Collins starts say gel show. Oh. Oh. Is there anything more uncomfortable than octogenarian starting to do the electric slide at a wedding? Anyway, give the kid a tumble and interesting take it summer, and Louisville news. 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So man, Scholley laid, thank you. So kimble. The dennis. So is in Hawaii very liberal. They saw. This back out again. Lives. Right on the precipice is like a broker at nineteen twenty nine get. At least wait till the Dow closes before your job. So. So why? The what else I do want to Pearl Harbor. I've told you my lament can't go on Arizona's thing. Signs still in Japanese, by the way, pro harbor. And that's something that you've talked about. You weren't allowed on the memorial. Oh, so you couldn't even you can even see that part. I say okay, so you don't know. And I, I don't know. Maybe that was I don't know how I think about that. But there were a lot of Japanese people on it, and do you think it, how do you think a Japanese person? Not japanese-american. But, you know, Japanese Japanese do they look at that as sort of heightened, the fort Sumter is on? I, I don't quite know are is, is everybody uniformly sheepish in Japan about Pearl Harbor? I would assume that the majority is, you know, I think it would be like, if you know if we went to like a civil rights museum in some of the terrible things that were done in that time, I think he did you sort of interested in understanding what happened. Yeah. I'm intrigued because, you know when you see the there's a thirty three minute video that you do get the C and. You know, you can't believe they pulled it off. You know, I mean it's to travel four thousand miles, we, we truly were asleep at the switch. The guy thought the guy who was in charges, and they might have been Carter of the Hawaiian Pearl Harbor. The guy in charge of it thought that the big problem was house from traders in Honolulu community. Imagine that he thought that was the problem he did not think an attack by air was possible. And maybe this is the, you know, the t e Lawrence Aqaba thing where, you know, the guns are pointed out towards the sea because they can't fathom anybody would come across the desert and come from behind. So maybe that's the, the theory behind it. But, you know, we had to be somewhat asleep at the switch when they were able to go four thousand miles across the Pacific all their carriers and that and I'm not saying that's fifty carriers but I'm sure that we're carriers. And then hanger on's you know, there's only somebody who's a little boats. Undetected. You would think if they were just flying circular routes out of Honolulu on a daily basis, some of you do fifty. We'll do one hundred you do one hundred fifty let's get out two hundred miles and then fly back, just to a circle grid. Let's just keep keep our but, you know, when you're when you're scoping when you're down at the you know. Mother Chang's walk center, you know, keeping an eye on her that she's not sending information back to the motherland. You've missed a point sort of anyway. They it was such a feat that they pulled off. And the footage is just my I, I don't know if you've really seen a protracted version of that attack, but there's pretty amazing footage com. Replete in at least this theater at at Pearl Harbor with the attendant sort of Lucasfilm sound effects, and the caboose them of the one ship going off where they hit the. Hit hit hit the ammunition store, just Christ hell on hell on her, and so you do get to memorize I was just saying that you don't get out to the don't get out to the Arizona memorial anymore. And I think that's a stupid thing that we can't get that fixed. All right. Where do I go from there? I go up and hike the diamond head crater. You can't believe what's inside diamond hand. I it seems to defy spatial expectations in the same way that lost horizons does or gold Gulch in. Atlas shrugged where, you know, there's always a great scene. In the thirty five version, I think it is of lost horizons where they go through sort of an ice door. They come out on the other side. And it's you know, may berry you know with. With monks. And so it doesn't really work spatially that in the middle of all these, jagged peaks. Near Katmandu that there's. P all of a sudden it's Lurton Wilders are really but the same thing is kind of holds true for me and diamond head and that you see it from Waikiki or you've seen it on credits for five, oh, all that stuff. And it's it comes to a pretty severe point. And you forget that on the other side of that point, there's sort of a crater and the Craig's got. Quonset huts in it. Visitor's center big grass fields. It's like Mets. So you go in there and you hike up to the top of diamond head and. I'm not saying it's. You know, the, the tan this I but it's hot and you do get up there. And you are reminded how really stupid people I mean Christ it's a two way thing in a narrow path, and he can't Bill. How hard is it just to stay on the right side is Japan? Like england. They drive on the other side of the path, they do. Yes. Oh, they do. Well, that makes sense. Then, Chris, the here I am being judgmental of an entire culture, harbor. What about chopsticks guy should take this all back because I forgot you're married to, and you told me that the worst moment in your marriage, which is very loving, now is your wife mocking one night, because she made her and believe me, there isn't a cooking competition at the kids school that she does not win with her bang-up tapioca recipe that expecting you to eat the tap. He'll with chopsticks you, you saw was are just a mocking your air. Well, the embarrassing is that the kids can both do it even lissi is only year and a half. So it's a genius. Yeah. But they've got me as a father. So kids in the world, I often wonder who, who was the donor. So you know what did you bump into Ken Watanabe interning at SNL or what, what happened? No, I only bumped into norm. So I don't think that was going to help the most beautiful children in the world and to find out their bright, particularly or taking to me, it was thin veneer of being cited. So anyway, hike up there and people are just bumping into. I thought they were stupid. Now I find out that they probably thought I was stupid being on their side of the path, but next day, helicopter, ride, one hour around the island helicopters are kind of funny to me, it's like seinfeld's old bit about getting an attack a cap. And you can't believe you're sitting in the back and he said the plastic window allows you to sink. Wow. This looks dangerous. He's urine the job. Causes your lacob, and I always go to take helicopters. I like helicopters. But I do have a ten minute period after you first take off and using. Don here. If you take one. Yeah, I. Breath floor and you can't even dedicate anything to me. No. I'm just telling you always Chouan. Oh, Brad might call six. Junior prom. You'll get asked will, not, by the way, I will not gonna ask junior prompting. Yeah. I took a helicopter to a glacier, in Alaska MO, let me make a note here paying Christian. That's true. But you take off. And then all of a sudden, you're going up over this mountain range. And then he stops on the other side of the mountain range, and you hover around the point, and then you swooped on the back and, and then you start getting adjusted. But you're seeing this seem so shaky in a way and Christ. I remember one time this happened to me twice in my life. I remember scuba diving once in my life, and I used to call it skin diving anybody else called skin diving? I don't think I've ever heard that and I must be a Pittsburgh thing. You know, like read up your room before we go skin diving and because there are certain Pittsburgh things from my youth that the you say in front of people and they look at you. Like, what are you addled at which point in that process? Do you wash your hands right after you read up? Okay. One. One. And then, of course after you chum you have to wash up on the boat before you go down because they'll still smell the, the nectar that is cartilage on your hands. And but I remember. Going down and scuba diving for the first time and was I comparing it to an helicopter writing. This happen twice. I remember saying sorry I've got the Benz, I surfaced too fast without decompressing. So I'm actually in a Benz chamber with Lloyd bridges drinking Carling black label right now. Well, also gasping for air is our guest, Brad floor. But if you'd like to just seized on what I was talking about. Duty calls. Goals. Nobody covered their dementia like Dennis. We are joined now. Good cat haven't seen him in a few years. He's on the nineteenth harvest thing here, and it's called Brad harvest number nineteen. The Johnny admitted story. Ours is he's releasing this or dropping it as the kids say, on June twenty fifth, which is the day that this podcast will be posted. Oh, I see. That's in parentheses. That's, that's all right. A little behind the scenes Gloria tip that Brad Thor. His latest book backlash now. Available brat, Dan at the gay a yet. Oh, how. Floor refers. Of course to the three two cans who I think we're like the uey Dewey, and Louie of the ornithological community in the Disney vault, but there were three cub a euros. The they did minor work for Walt Disney ending anything that they said, oh, I don't think ducks would do that. They threw over to the two cats but Brad's tell me about backlash Mike friend. What's the deal? Well the goal for me. Good midwesterner son of a United States Marine is to up the game. Every time I come out with a new book, and Harvey had never been taken captive before. And I thought, all right. He's really Sturt stuff up for the Russians in particular wack and a bunch of their guys putting bags over the heads of their crooked diplomats. What if the Russians decided, you know what we're going all in with the chips, we're actually going to risk war, we're gonna snatch him off American soil. Bring him back to our own black site and rhythm dry. And then we're going allow the president of Russia, to personally put a bullet in this guy's head. We'll deny we did. It will say never saw him weren't there in as they're moving them to a black site in Russia. The plane actually goes down in that's his one shot. And he's got to parlay that in the rest of the book and the getting out of the country before the Russians can catch up with them in, in that bullet gets put between the eyes. And that's what backlash is all about. Pitch. My brother that wedded might be crate, there backlash is now available and I'm trying to think when you when you write a harvest d do you see your face on him? Or who what face do you see when I read a book like supply face to somebody, it's me, I think, you know, bond was Fleming's alter-ego in Jack Ryan was Clancy's. So I always say that is my alter ego. He gets to do the things my wife won't let me do. So you know, I got a little bit of lead a little bit of leash her. But she draws the line at seducing, you know, female foreign operatives and stuff like that. So the system, somehow I know he's your all Trigo I'm more intrigued in your head. Do you think in pictures, do you see him? Yeah. So you know what? You know what I think actors I think, actors and oftentimes when I'm writing characters, I'll find an actor that fits the look in a print out a picture. And I'll put them on a board in my office, so it's I can picture them. I see the movie when I write the books, so. There have been different people. I've seen as hard out over the years. I like Chris pine like Chris Hemsworth. Scott Eastwood, it's, it's in that kind of thing that you can shift but. Because let's face facts, this character becomes so important to you. He is like a friend, and I'm intrigued that we'll show the the authorship where you do command the universe. This is Scott Harv out that you can change the face in your head and still feel committed them. I'm just interested in what writer sees because I can't do it. I can write jokes, but I'm always intrigued by novelist. Hey, by the way, I speak lugging around on the, the worldwide web before the interview I see Barnes and noble which seems like a quaint thing from the past, but they still have a great presence on the web. They said that your your first novel and you think about all the thrillers who that have been written over the years, folks, the lions of Lucerne, and it's Brad's first foray voted, one of the ten best political thrillers ever. Congratulations, my friend. Thank you. Nice. Nice recognition and it feels good. They've they're they're good folks there. And I. The, the athletes for them. I think you're on there with Richard Khandan for Manchurian candidate, aren't you? I mean, I think that company and advise and consent which was a big one as well. I think is on there, too. If I remember the list correctly. So. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's pretty rarified air there. So. It was a big deal. I'm trying to think when you when you're doing the first one as, as I was intrigued to hear your process as far as idea and the character in your head visually when you're doing, what do you look back on, at this moment? Nineteen in world renowned to the one of the best booksellers of our generation. What did you what fortify, you on your first book? What, what do you feel you're lacking? And what was unknown strength at that time when you look back in the rear view Monte you? And I eat Dennis you. And I talk a lot about how we saw each other at the Ralph Laurens restaurant, and Jim, I'll go one night after Chicago show. It's funny, you and I met when I was in college a buddy of mine was a photographer any lived over by Beverly and Fairfax. We did. We were roommates this photographer and I add broadcast center, right behind the grove by the post office, over there, when it used to be an orange grove. And he was shooting you for some LA magazine, and he couldn't afford desist in the s. Get twenty. Mr. I was going to USC and you kept calling me surf God the entire time it was mayor is very funny. He did a shot of you with duct tape over your mouth. There were some funny thing that they were doing a profile on you, but anyway, back, then I was at USC was studying creative writing, I always wanted to be an author, but I ended up going into TV I had a travel show on public television. I was afraid what would happen if I went to author route, and I failed, but on my honeymoon. My wife said to me, what would you regret on your deathbed and never having done, and I should write a book and getting published? And she should fine when we get home from the honeymoon two hours a day start making that happen. No interruptions. And that's what fortified me when I was writing that first book, the lions of Lucerne, Stephen king's famous route saying, you know, you should write what you love to read, and I grew up reading Freddie, foresight, the John McCrea, Tom Clancy. That's really where my passion was. So that's, that's what got me through that first book, Freddie, foresight thing. And by the way, so you went from the wife's admonition to put two and a half hours into. A no interruptions on ninety Mon to two hours, at home with no interruption. So it just you, you're actually. Get the rent paid. You know, couldn't they couldn't go all in couldn't go all in. We're talking to our friend Brad Thor. And I don't remember meeting way back when but I do remember meeting him, I was saying to Christian before you came on at the restaurant, and I remember thinking now, this is a cat who gives off energy, and it sounds like so much of your energy. You've mentioned are twice. You must have the right woman for you, brother, right? It takes a very special type b lash up with this type as so. Yeah. No, I'm very, very lucky guy. I wanted to marry Meg Ryan. I did even better look at you growed up. Hey, I'm watching the country we live in right now. I don't even know all your pretty. I'm always I can tell when I'm namrd of somebody when I don't need to know their predispositions politically, I think the world operates in the reverse thing where they almost wanna know that. And then they work out from that I could care less when I need like somebody or find them, interesting. You're smart is almost like way down the road. What do you make of the times, we live in, if you were in the intelligence community, at the second, you think are heartened by the current president is posed to guys like Clapper and Brennan? Well, I think so it would be interesting, as I finally appreciate the Chinese curse may, you live in interesting times, it really is a curse into the word. Interesting. Listened to the definition of insanity. Dennis is doing the same thing over and over and over again, which we have done administration to administration with North Korea. You know you put a wildcat in that office. I'm not I'm not a fan of Donald Trump style of I really don't think he was qualified for this job. And I think that's repeatedly being shown he's kind of a seat of the pants guy, but sometimes the Lord picks imperfect vessels for very difficult tasks, and if if he's constantly throwing haymakers and brushback pitches, and it's keeping them on their toes and the the little fat kid with a bad haircut and North Korea. Listen, if, if it produces different results through different acts in the world becomes a safer place in America is more secure as much as I'm not a fan of his personality and the petty, you know, low ball insults on Twitter, which I think are undignified and, and do kind of burn up some of our capital that we spent a long time building around the world with partners and allies. You know, net net I think we're going to be okay. I think we're strong enough to survive kind of this, this sort of, like I said a wildcat presidency, but the proofs in the pudding, let's, let's see what happens going forward and this election coming up is if the Democrats make it about socialism, I think he can you can Mark this down, take it to the Bank, Donald Trump will get more votes, the second time around, if this is socialism versus capitalism than the first time already. There you go. I think that there's also a hidden community out there that likes his candor and listen. I, I look scans at most politicians, I must find I must say that I find his Boorda China shop approach to be intoxicated. I think it's I think I think it's all bullshit. I think it's I think it's easy to have capital in a relationship with China when we're on the short end of a five hundred billion dollars discrepancy. So the capital's all coming from our side. So I'm glad he's if somebody came in and said, this is a Jenga tower bullshit. And I've got cloven hoof. So I'm knocking this fucker over. So that's. Shamba when we get to go first. Nutshell in a nutshell. Nobody nobody condenses the Dan to the selling or good for you. Rocha we go. All right. The latest book is backlash. It's now available. He's a good guy. He sounds like a happy, man. Why not imagine getting up staying in your skivvies sitting down at a word processor knocking on immensely popular books being on your nineteen and still haven't through lines in your head? You are a man in fool is the great. Tom Wolfe said, thank you, sir. Appreciate it. You take care, stay classy alright later. Gator. Brad thor. And is that a Freddie blassie thing? I think that's a the will Ferrell movie anchorman. I think that's something that Ron burgundy says, stay classy. Well, listen. Nineteen books. This Wednesday, June twenty six. Laura wink, wink tomorrow. He'll be at Kramer books in Washington DC this where everybody has to slide in front. Funny. If those prerequisite ten percent discount, I would do that Kramer books on and Kiessling. By the way, was on the Stuart Varney this morning. Pre-selling Seinfeld night at city field. Oh, nice they're doing Seinfeld night. And I almost feel like Cohn, during the wanna bother my, every time I go to call Jerry, I think this thing, I'm trying to get onto this card coffee show, which I'm not. But I'll bump into a Mets game. I usually do I think that Jerry, he said that it's a bobble head night at Gerry bobble head. That'd be great. They should have the bobble head on move. If you like Jerry, listen. Huge. Well, he needs an opportunity. But I'm saying would it not be hilarious to have Seinfeld? Bubble at night, and have the bobblehead unmovable that would make me a lot so hard. But anyway, he'll be at Kramer books in Washington DC, not Seinfeld. But rather Brad Thor, and in conversation with our friend, Larry O'Connor. Oh, it Kramer books. Yeah. It's going to be a QNA with Larry oh, and on July first he'll be at the Reagan library in seamy valley. California knots around. Ron juniors a library new. Yeah. That's all cliff notes and. For more information, go to bread Thor dot com and. What's, what does this mean? Sorry, it's just a repeat. It's got a typo. Yeah. Somebody was sleepy when he wrote your notes. Let's okay, little man. I don't ask you to be blessed. You'd answer the call on anything. I'm not awake right now. Because I'm not even here among the technology, we use her symptom symptoms. Do you know the average guy will spend three thousand hours of his lifetime shaving? That's what's screwed the Unabomber. That's why he quit and got don't waste for months of your life overpaying for poor performing razors. Get Harry's razor so sharp that you can shave less often, and it will save you money. Just two bucks per blade. This razor. 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And he was toothless and just he had one tooth. All right. So I you know, let's not don't you create her for between the Christians, but anyway, I'm getting my moles, check today. So I have to stay on top of the time. And let me see. Oh, I got time. We got do some phone calls. We I, I wanna make sure we've tidied up your adventures in Hawaii, because I would linger into took the helicopter ride, and what did I see out there? It was amazing. I'm always amazed in Hawaii. And I'm just a should've made notes for Christ thing, but trying to just think put myself in the moment, ille- called it, a sense, memory when we used to I remember doing a scene once Julie Harrison Strasburg was actually there that and he has sandy Mayes during, you know, when sandy was any trying to show and he ripped me, he said those tears seem false demand. I said, does it have anything to do with the fact that I'm, I'm using a paring knife, on Bermuda onion, Julie's, holding for me to get the tears? He said, yeah, I want you to go back to a time something that would evoke those tears uses sense memory something. And I said, what about when I got that fuck and clawing notes from you around two seconds ago? That made me cry. Anyway. So I'm going to sense memory this helicopter chip. There's a dry side to every island and the demarcation is so. This is precise at line of demarcation is, let's say no. Cowards pillow talk with his lover and his ultra thing when he was a, you know, revealing show or something. It gets that dry that immediately and they're almost seems to be some sort of perpetual rainbow set up between the two but we went onto the dry side of the island. It's so funny to me, the whole the entire palette of the island changes. You can't believe how lush it is in the front. And we flew over the valley where they shoot drastic park, I guess that's to shot out there. And I just can't believe that with all the money Spielberg has. Or Amblin or universal, I think used to that's where his thing was that they just don't put up some there's a bunch of trees there would would you not put up a half hidden out. Some sort of dinosaur down a real real one moving a little. Yeah. Just for people flying over it. I would just do it as a goof. I mean you could probably get a good one. I haven't been on EBay awhile, and try Saratov's auction, but I think he can probably get a good moving sort of dinosaur to hide half hide in a tree. You know, and the whole bottom half could be unin cased in rubber latex and just have it shake a little people helicopter, I would just shit, maybe the helicopter rides we'd kick in on, but they did have a bit of fuselage. I said, what is that there is that bones? I thought maybe they're making that sort of effort at a much lesser thing with some styrofoam bones or something. He said, that's the fuselage from lost. I didn't watch laws, but I know people that would matter that, right? Yes. Absolutely. And the helicopter ride that, that was a coup part for me. This isn't a weird. You're looking all this natural beauty. I thought that's then we land, then we come back, I have some desultory dinners, although I do catch a Super Bowl Rahman across the street at this sort of Asian food court. We you allowed to say Asian anyway, cry. Scribe people. The correct one right now because it was Asian food, and I thought is this wrong. Like, what, what is what are they today? And but there's an Asian food court across from the Royal Hawaiian, and you go beneath the ground and in a bunker and had a killer bowl of Brahmin, there, can't remember the name of the joint, and, but I had for the most part, not great meals there. Maybe it was just picking wrong. But I went to a couple of places that were highly recommended. And what about the cheek of this Christian? I did a show over there. And my former publicist Laurie Jonas called me and said there's a restaurant at wants to have you, as their yest-. Hey, and I said, oh, sure as talian, and I thought about it actually did think about it because I, I think pales kind of weird, and I thought I didn't solicited or anything guy invited. Me this is close to saga. I went, and it was not a good experience. I won't go into all the intricacies. I won't even name it. I don't wanna be that ball BUSTER. So Tommy's borrow is a fan. But I go to the restaurant, and the they bring me the Bill. It's not inexpensive restaurant. And the lewd girl says they took off your glasses of wine and the desert. And I thought, how would you interpret it, they'd like to have you, as their guest that was I was I being overreaching there? No, I think that, that, that means when like, you know, back in the old days when Ted Brennan and wanted to have over to Brennan's for an afternoon of some brunch at meant that, you wouldn't even see the check. Right. So naturally, I whip out my, my SMU cockroach throw it on the table and all Utah. Meet always travel with one of those gypsy. Life is the only lie. Then I went to another place, nice people. But it just wasn't swinging. And so the Rahman was great. And then they listen when in Nobu do is no Boone's. Do I went to noble the last night? Really? Listen. You pay out the wazoo, but it's great when is it not grade? It's Mr Charles. It's always great. And I just needed a good meal as I got out of time now, the best meal, I had is, I took a car ride one day, and I would say, nobody's the best meal because it's Nobu but the, the, the surprise hit of the summer, the sleeper hit is I take a car on the island on their an issue, and go to the dole pineapple form and the dole whip super cream content there, you know, if you catch bad, though, whip. But sorbet, right. Yeah. You need the crazier whipped. Yeah. Well, the listen, the, the dole whip at the dole plantation, and then I went into the maze. You know, they have the world's big. As there. And you think this'll be cool. It'll be like sleuth or something, and you go in, and it's like four pieces of box heads that are all ratted out from the heat, you know you can see through. I could see my house in Santa Barbara. That's all. Thinned out the maze was. So he went in there for three seconds. Then we got on the train that takes you around the dole, plantation, and that's fun. And but I said, a little too close to the train motor, and I was cutting smoke off for some reason in your head, you always think, oh, this must be electric, but you get up there and it's actually throwing smoke exhaust off. So Chris Amon in the middle of paradise I had the wait to get on the train. I was the last guy who didn't get on. So I was the first guy for the next train. Wait twenty minutes. I have my choice of seats that I go all sit. I and I sit right next to the smoky the thing and the whole thing, I'm thing that I'm gonna fucking dying here. I'm in the middle of paradise and I'm getting carcinogen and. So the, the train rides over I come back, and we then get in the car and drive to the north shore because I want to see the banzai pipeline, which is I think, after a place, there's a place down in Peru or something that I think is the thought to be the most dangerous. And then there's another north shore somewhere. Maybe it's Miley that second. But I think the banzai pipeline pipeline is certainly on the mount Rushmore scary waves, along with Mavericks, probably up north and. It's so funny. It's only as I said it was clearly delineated between the dry side of the island and the west side of the island, it's even more clearly delineated the winter. Tube at the pipeline versus the summer to zoos like your bathtub. Drive all the way out there literally is the calmest water you've ever seen. And it made me think I have to come back sometime just to see this in the winter because I think the waves are thirty to forty feet. It's like, wow chaos. But thank God. On the way out there. I go to Giovanni shrimp track nine, I'm acting. I'm probably the last guy on the planet who's been to Giovanni shrimp truck. It's this big white truck that you autograph, and you have to go folks and have the shrimp Scampi. They put a big scoop of rice on, and then this amazing garlic. Shrimp, scampi. They have a hot sauce. One two in a lemon pepper. I wouldn't encourage you, but I would say, get the garlic dog too, and, you know, they're pretty basic on why they put that big scoop of rice on a lot of things. And then they plunked the meat down and the hot dog was on believable, but the shrimps can't be the best meal, I had and so- Giovanni says the truck, there's a bunch of trucks out there. I hear they're all good. But the ones called Leumi I think, but the one you wanna hit is Giovanni and then go out to the end of the driveway maker, right? And go down amount amount on the left hand side. There's a shave ice place. There's like the mecca of shave ice, the so then drive down a little sale versus house on the back end of the island and then head back into Honolulu. And what else am I missing helicopter? Did that Pearl Harbor talked about my drive around the island talked about that? And. Then let's see. I didn't go to one of those luau shows, you know, I just felt like I've seen that been there done that. And is it bad comment on something? When you when you think been there done that. And you've never been there and done that. Is that your definition of a show that's not enticing because I went to go to Luanda. I've been to I've seen that, and then I realized after that I never been to lavar never seen that. I'm pretty sure you know how it goes though. You know, telling me, I want wanna go you donate nothing. Oh, christ. I need to see another luau and I go, hey fuck brain. It would be your first. But I did not go. So that's my trip to Hawaii. I'm sticking to it and I see my notes here watch street food on net flicks. Good show, and you're here mazed at how rough life can be overseas. And let's face facts. We're complete wusses here. Is this possible that I read Donald Trump is going to live tweet the democratic debate? I've heard that myself. And, you know, it's over two nights, so genius. Yes. I mean when it comes to any sort of media, I don't even want to use the word manipulation because it has a wrong connotation, but the usage of the media, I don't know anybody who's better than them. He's going to live now. Listen, isn't it interesting? I think Brad Thors really smart guy. And I just feel like such an outlier on what matters to me from president. I guess it really that whole thing about, they want him to be presidential. Matters. I folks, I'm not trying to be Archer a wind up artists here. I can't tell you how less different. I think they are from us. I guess, people look at presidents and think they're different or something. I the only time I find them clawing is when they try to act like there's some how bump at all, I assume the moment they get on the other side of the curtain, it's a complete let it rip like anybody else. So for Trump to do that out in the open, I find so candidate. And though I find it always that I'm in, in lockstep with them or the work in concision with no times. They shake my head. What's pow doing not much support for cutting rates right now? He believe this all comes down to this Jerome Powell guy from the fed. Yeah. I mean, this, this thing is on fire, and it all comes down to how this man acts at this thing, he's obviously not going to raise rates right now. And he's probably not going to lower rates right now. But even like they read eye twitches in that can throw off, you know, the complete world economy. So it's, it's kind of an interesting job for him yesterday. In the dot and you go Tableau office, and nobody can interpret them. But, you know to think that he's I know. I don't like his tweets. Gives a fuck. It's so funny to me. I would you I would find it oughta right now that our president wouldn't tweet. Do you think the president will never not tweet again? No, I think that I mean yeah, they'll book, of course, come time where nobody's tweeted doing doing just never did it. I mean, that's, that's what people are looking to get back to is a president who has a Twitter site that he does not do the tweets or Biden, people are always studying about. We gotta get back to a time of decorum with Joe Biden, then I think what, what are you in? Is there a slight gas leak in the world? That people aren't that they're losing their minds, Joe Biden. He has been a gaffe fest for forty to fifty years now in front of us, we have to get back to a time of decorum with a man like Joe Biden, and, you know, something Joe Biden reminds me that once you get old, you should just steer into it, and look old because if there's one thing looks older to me than a guy. Who looks old, it's a guy who looks old who's trying to not look old. When I see Biden, this not look ancient to you like more than I would think, in general. And as I watched, Trump last nine Florida. I remember thinking every time I've seen somebody take that job within around three years, they start look older. Now, Trump looks fatter to me definite, I have no doubt that he likes his big Macs in that. But this he looked tired. You isn't. No. Tired is not something that he looks he does not look within a million miles of big tired. And who has more reason to be tired? I mean, has anybody you know, I was watching somebody in the press corps and they were just insisting. Maybe it's Donny Deutsch is that Obama got the same treatment as Trump, the same scrutiny straight face this. Yeah, maybe it wasn't toys, but it was somebody, and I was just thinking this is this is how unsolvable this always, they really believe that they believe they were as tough on Barack Obama as they are undaunted Trump. And this is why so you gotta stop having these conversations in not going to change anybody's mind. Those vote. All it's going to happen is, we got seventeen months. Now. What was that five hundred days roughly, it's a lot of deaths. Let's face facts. The world happens in the blink of an eye. No, get probably two weeks out, Trump could, you know, something good or bad could happen. But, you know, this whole thing like anybody thinks they have an idea on this right now right now. I think if anybody was candid and honest, they'd have to say he's in pretty good shape. You know, is a guaranteed nothing's guaranteed, he flipped those three rust belt states. Somebody else can probably flip them back to. I think there's a sleeper hit state out there who people aren't going to tell you, they're gonna vote for Trump, but they might. Yeah. I think he could pick up a surprise one out there that you'd think, well, I didn't see that coming. He could probably lose one, you know, who knows live by the, and I would easily live by the, the electoral college because I find that so fucking whiny that they would go on, on, on how it's not a popular vote. So if Trump loses under the electoral college roles anyone under so be it. Do you think I'm going to spend the next eight years, whining, if it's Elizabeth Warren? But I'm telling you, if this country really wants to go back to that sort of scolding hangdog, where the bad guys, so be it. You can't fight that I can't believe that it's not ninety eight percent for Trump right now. And when I hear people say, but he's tweets I. Oh, christ. This is another one. I just got a top down surrounding keep moving really he tweets. And that's the problem. What about, you know, I, I saw those courageous and I do find them, courageous black cats Trump's speech last night. And I know I'm flying over the calendar here via the figure it out talking about the this the speech and the and the big kickoff to the reelection campaign, and they just sitting there really basic white T's black lettering, blacks for Trump and I'd like good for you, because you know what hell they're gonna face? But you also think that there's some people out there, probably gonna notice that as of a couple of weeks ago. Some of these bullshit, things where well is your third time selling joint? You're in prison for life have gone away, you think some of that's going to filter into the black community. You hope it, will you hope people in Baltimore and Detroit and. The Chicago on any given weekend. And all these places would start to think what yield are we really getting off of this monolithic, vote for the Democrats nothing? And you think you know what Trump did sign that Bill? You know, you just I have a feeling that there's going to be some unexpected votes. And if they're gonna flip those rust belt states, they got to count on Cleveland Detroit. It almost has to be the ninety five percent that they've come to expect. And what if it is eighty eight percent? What if like some people stay home? And some people say fuck that they haven't done anything for me. Good for Trump. They're dead. They're dead wants some people wake up and just say, wait a second. I'm like the. The chicken aliens, member, they go below deck, and they find that chick. They barely keep alive. So he can house gone to her and suck marrow. Well, I think sometimes that's what they do to the African American community keep them. And I think if, if just a minimum amount say, like this guy who I saw testifying about reparations komonews and good for you or Connie west. Or some people just say, hey, I'm getting sick. You. Treat me like a perpetual victim. You know, I'll let you know, when I feel victimize, you don't speak for me and you don't I don't know you, my vote if you're part of the system that's led to that over all these years. So they, they lose a little shaving on that. And all these people Hispanic people who live here. Never done legally start looking only to second behind this cat. He just jumped line on me. We'll wait. The matinees sold out. I even get in. I think that the they're missing the fact that they're looking at the macro that they're gonna flip entire communities and states. And I'm saying I think there are shavings out there and they lose a couple of those shavings there in a nuclear desert, the Democrats for a long time. So I think that's what I see coming down the road. So when people say, Trump tweet saying, yeah, you know, he doesn't drink so lighten up Astles on Twitter as cognac before bed. So be it. I can't how many years do you want to spend? I can't believe he tweet. We're in our third year believe it tweets. I guess who my tweet my state of the union, just like one of those part four. Just make it a hundred part tweet. I Christian what we must be wrapping up. We before we close, you got anything. We've got a voicemail that we can listen to from Chad in canyon lake. That's why smell number ten. Memphis, all those faithful lovely listeners, always call in and tell you how much we admire you, I was taken to hear that you're excited to get consistently forty grand of listeners. This is a call to those forty thousand consistent listeners. Let's go get Dennis one more consistent listener. And we jumped to eighty eighty goes to buck fifty there. We are. Well, thank you. I mean, that's, that's the base that cat actually has a plan. Yeah. Because you do go to eighty your believe it or not. I think you're golden in the podcast world, aren't you? I think when you get right up around around that Mark Lindsay. Who are getting millions? I think Joe Rogan if he drops his show, what am I talking? I'm berry Gordy. He puts his new show does get a million. Yeah. He's he does like video version. And there's a podcast version. So, I think between all those he might actually have that kind of Bill Burr. Does he get a million? And so listen. I'm just talking about. But, you know, I'm humbled by Christ. I've always made my career. Right. On some sort of mean line. I know not for everybody tiredly cognizant of that. It's a little too skit, the, you know, free for me and extrapolate too. But I can't sit that study for this stuff. I I wouldn't do it. So I think myself well, if you're not going to do it. Why not try just to scratch your head? It's like doing crosswords so that's maybe that's the thing that hangs you up at a low level of listeners, on believe me. I think there are many people, I'm looking down at it forty. But if we could get it up to eighty we're in clover and, you know, I'd probably. Continue to do it at that point. But at some point if Dan allies, it down the road, right? I mean, don't, don't look at me. I'm happy with three hundred listeners and episode for the black cast. That's, that's what you getting to the live streaming. I have you, but, you know, I'm not right with that Christian. You could. You could not do one and only be three hundred behind you. So it's true. I've probably could. Wow. That is you're, you're a bad person. There's two people, I'm going to keep doing it. And that's all I need just more than one, let me check my notes for we split if there's anything I wanted to say point, I to the Bank of. Of. Not supposed finished finish Hawaii. Oh, have I mentioned that Sunday is a revelation. You know, I had not Horia I had not heard that. That's new to me. Oh, and if you take anything away from. This podcast today. It's this stopped going to the fucking Dominican Republican pissing in the in the fuck and Tang bottles. Christ. I read today about some woman who was on the bachelorette or something guests back, and she's sick everybody sick Christ. You got bachelorette Keita's. What are you going? What, what are you what kind of rates? Are they giving away at the hard rock in the Dominican Republic that eight people would die there over the course? What offer can they make to you that you is it? I can expanded happy hour or free, boogie board what the fuck. Don't go down. They offer to pay for your drinks, and your dessert. I think that that's the. I do the way real. Bye bye. Thanks for listening to the Dennis Miller option exclusively on Westwood One. 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OFF-SEASON SUPER EPISODE/ World Series Recap, Awards Predictions and the Red Sox Moves - ft. Jesse Dougherty (Washington Post) and Scott Greene ( Prospects 1500)

"Welcome to painting corners. Your weekly podcast for all things baseball. Now your all your host Austin Hartsfield and Dave quit Caskey if you were with US previously on the last episode of being quarters. I just wanted to apologize. We could've been more wrong on our gambling so Colton statements in the Washington nationals. Our World Series champions guys. How are we feeling about the previous episode and there's just this nationals run in general federal? I feel great. I'm very happy nationals. One I have a dog in the fight I'm ecstatic. Yeah I mean I know you're ecstatic. You don't like Houston but I like Houston Astros as I like a lot of their players. Not all of them like different office anymore either but the nationals had their number in Houston which is incredible. That whole series was wilde was one of the one of the better world series. You'll see and it was probably won the world series as well just because of the teams in it but I mean I feel pretty good traffic. MVP Houston lost. But you know for lenders still can't figure it out to take this world series. Yeah I I I gotta I gotTa agree with you. It was. It was a decent series for the most part but game seven was just on a whole `nother level. I think if you look at the TV ratings thanks game seven was probably one of the most streamed A wound up being one of the least watched games beginning in world series history which is is the wildest thing I've ever heard but it really. Oh many ratings at the end. Yeah I think everyone just Kinda got in line. They're going to be a really good game because it's winner take all and honestly it was the the best game of the series nine because it was game seven that happening getting one allows the best game but that was definitely the best game. Yeah and I'm glad that we got to see one pseudo ball out on on that level and show everybody why he's so good and I'm so glad we get to watch him for the next however many years legendary of hopefully ten. Yeah his his I. His first alcoholic drink was from the world's his I quote in quotes Alcoholic. Drink I legal rank drink. Yeah yeah that's that's still legendary really is can you imagine telling your grandkids that or even your kids are like just a friend. You know what I mean. This guy is younger than every single one of the rookie of the year prospects that we're going to later but David I had a chance to sit down with the Washington Post on Jesse Dougherty to discuss this improbable world. The World Series Right. I think the word that I used was actually impeccable. So you're going to hear that for the next couple of minutes and From that will keep going. Have you ever been a part of something in sports. You know that was kind of out of the nowhere like this absolutely impeccable skimmer probable need. ESPN is the best one on for their season. All the different points where the but the probability of them winning a world five percent drop below one percent at certain points. It's pretty crazy this team when all the way in the title so technically out there they all I mean what what is the the biggest component of this run. You know you guys like Stephen Strasburg fulfilling his full potential for basically the year you know and finally getting the shine is he. The most important part to this runner was at a guy. Like Howie. Kendrick gets interesting to think about that because obviously so incredible and the postseason first pitcher Every time they needed somebody to shove it a big game but but the reason why maybe maybe Aram's side of it being more of a guy like how you're You don't even even. He was up and down but Patrick Corbin throwing three innings of relief in game. Seven if you think about getting all the way to the finish line because we're a little less expected you gotta figure even going to be a major part of any success. You don't think how he can hit a grand grant slamming game highly. I'll go to the world series of thirty six years old things. You just can't really account for so. I think marginal contributions from sort of the the fringes of roster always going to be more valuable than the guys that you sort of expect to get certain Tash reasons trump by the time you but so it's hard to put your finger on one one guy that you definitely got a contribution from all year long. Maybe the most underrated third baseman Don How big was is he and finally it must have been good to be on a national stage finally for you guys as fans and and you know when you cover the team because he deserves so much more respect. How how big of a role did he play? Not only in you know on the field in the batter's box but every time we looked at him in the dugout he was always cool. Calm collective never do high number too low and almost felt like you just kind of get the nice calming factor over the team there and you can't recount his Ron. Or you're nothing without talking about him and the biggest thing for me is the biggest component heap wind for this nationals's of Bacon. There's so many cliches sooner. But they didn't when they were down they came back they went private owned nation games. You came back for behind you. Never sort of a one and kill. Oh his final at bat in game seven anti raccoon was set and he was six for sticks in in Elimination Games in the seventh inning or later doc was three homers three over three doubles. Yeah he was unbelievable and then of course. It's that rounded out. The first base of course out goes two little disappointed. SETV credit correctly. But Hey I guess desert rebelled everyone. Yeah and yeah I mean just so if you think about that like. The key. Component of team is their ability to score rick late roads and only runs and he was the she caught up there. You know her State Value National. No you couldn't and it was so big another guy that has kind of been the heart and soul of this team since he signed the big free agent contract a few years ago. Now when Max Scherzer I signed that contract a lot of people were scratching their heads a he was saying why. Leave the troy with all these great great pitchers and go to Washington be. Why would Washington Pay Guy? That's going to be thirty seven that contracts over that much money and all of the bird money which the nationals does love deferred money contracts and it has A. If I was a player I would love those contracts either. I don't need three hundred million when I'm thirty. I could use one hundred million over thirty years but how big of it uh-huh almost like monkey off your back. Type deal with okay. We signed this big contracts. He was our horse. He's been up. He's been hurt a little bit this year. But you finally won with Max Scherzer. Here's our the contract is worth it outright. That only I can be land but you know the question to them and just just get by the seventeenth. That's that's worth. They would sell but obviously results based outlook now. What so don't convert your over? Seventy seventy students Wings July spending or the guy who couldn't move is all on Sunday interesting games. Get it on Ben's Day a five innings and sets jumps win the world series like. That's why you spend the money I get hit that that's not always the player necessarily because it got better. It wasn't gonNA be salt it was gonna be in there or other players be not clicking injuries or whatever but ah into vacuum when it comes to what you pay for. NFL something about petric orchid. You'll pen four or five one between July and August catch you pay report on three days rest against the Astros in the world series one hundred forty million dollars worth because he won the world series so cost benefit analysis is for contracts for trades different things. And when you win it all comes together. That's what it's worth and then we can sort of you know you know a cut it away or another during the season or otherwise as it worth it and without a championship wants to get that title Dawson workout. So a guy that. Ah If you weren't familiar with before the run in if you're a casual baseball fan. I don't really get why you weren't but if you know the game like you've known about one soda for Awhile how I mean this. This feels like a guy that we're just scratching the surface of you know. Can you kind of explain what it's like to cover a guy so young and so talented. Yeah yeah waiting for you guys to say if you wouldn't know Daniel Hudson Talk. Yeah then you Hodson. Hey he killed it in in Toronto as backing up. Ken Giles Eighth Inning Slot and one of the biggest one of the biggest problems going into the playoffs. For you guys. You're bullpen but David Martinez outmanned. Everybody everybody by getting the attention of Hudson's Ingham correctly and saying hey you know what we saw evolving rick from last year. How about we tried Patrick Corbin in the bullpen? A lot and then. We'll put annual Sanchez as third startling mended. A payoff Wants Dodo interesting. I mean you talk about for the cats Anthony When you get you the world series stage when you get level you succeed because while we've noticed you clean the talent every record? Nineteen hundred twenty. He's making all normal not until he can see greenery. A bunch of junior earning. The list goes on and on the company that he's keeping at his age so And get the world's stage you start to see I think it's Purple General Claire by the quote Unquote Ethics. You know you see him. The the crotch grab or the show shuffle or kicking bird smiling at Josh Heater. Core wants incredible baseball player. That's what he is and it's not that he shouldn't be defined by the fun stuff because he's gone because of that stuff it's great. He's but what he should get. The most credit for first and foremost is that he is an excellent baseball player. Who on the biggest stage imaginable national at the age of Twenty and the twenty one years old at the crush? Yeah so one last question thanks for coming on again really appreciate what does this mean to to the city of Washington DC. The team the front office the writers was it. I mean is this something that it's like okay. We got one where here where content. Dan is one of those things. Like you know what everything from here on is gravy. We want it. You know guys may lead guys may come back. Let's just enjoy it. How much does this mean to the city? And how much does it mean to the guys in that room. Yeah I mean I think there is a really high level and unless you're thinking breeds complacency but I'm thinking it does make you feel like you want you to you know you'll have looks like how to get there Is Crazy blueprint. There's no duplicative these mistakes and the Red Sox Joe Dad's really hard hard year but I don't think it's going to be getting one through. You just agree to again. I think those guys as Hungary's anything because shorted eh without you. Where's it now fell like it's mountaintop from a legacy standpoint? These at twenty five thirty guys capital mobsters at Reverend The title here Tackled it no one will ever take away from sealers. Remember something about bitterly that dagger up with your buddies and just list off all the names nor the Komo wave and it's not just you know it's it's a drip. It's the trickle down the middle alert. You're a great play center wherever these rations in Sydney and the fan base that thank you will never not be important for obviously next season notwithstanding. It'd be great if you know for the nationals vacant. He'll make another run and exciting again but no matter what thank you again to Jesse dougherty from the Washington Post for joining us and talking about his world series run with the team. You know Dave. What was your favorite? Take away from that exchange. Strange with Jesse you know. I'd probably say it was. Maybe even something he said Fairwood just like how great it was to cover some of those guys and I think it really shows close. That locker room was and the guys around them. They really gonNA welcome the men so I just think the team Cromartie was awesome and I think like the locker room was really great and you know I talked about Don Kinda like being cool calm collective all the time you got soda doing all the the the crazy antics but just the team itself was so like tighten it and they kept picking up. I mean when you're down that many times back's against the wall. They just go in and I feel like that stuck out to me. It was a pretty good exchange. You know I was really. He was really excited to talk about Daniel Hudson like he thought we were going to mention them every five seconds but we. You never had to do it himself but you know that was pretty cool asking about what. It's like covering team like that. You know team that's always down and but never out of it was was really awesome exchange for me but from one exchange of the other the Boston Red Sox the two thousand eighteen world series series champions before the nationals hired a new president of operations and that is high on bloom gave. What do we feel about this this deal L. as a whole so far I'm really into it? Yeah I'm too I am too. I think whenever you get a chance to bring somebody in that is different than yeah and and especially from Tampa and especially different from the pass. GM I think Dombrowski was kind of like I don't know ah I don't know whole lot on Dombrowski background but I feel like he wouldn't be that heavy into analytics as much as bloom is and I think bloom is a you you know. Everyone works as a collective whole and browsing was Kinda like I'm the I'm the sheriff and I'm no one else is going to help me and I. I really think this is going to help the red sox and I think Within the next few weeks we're GONNA see some blue magic and hopefully it will lead to a successful twenty twenty season for the Red Sox. Dave of how you feel about the hiring I mean I love it kind of similar to get said I mean he's coming from Tampa and get small-market guys like that. That can work magic like you. We saw in Houston at the beginning timber and some of these small market teams. You're like man. I wish I get my hands on one of those guys. Imagine if we had some payroll and game little leeway and that that xactly the red sox can do an analytically. I think he's going to be great but I think what he's GonNa be able to do now is get some of those guys that he knows are really good. But just out of his price range in Tampa and that's not to say that they're going to be super free agency. David Price. It's the Mitch. Moreland is the the Brock Holtz those type of caliber players. He's going to be able to get and say if you use him in these situations it's going to be really successful with him versus if you play all the time for us if we don't have them. I'm very happy that he's younger guy. A little bit refreshed in the analytics analyst. The eye test you kinda plays in both and I think they're looking for Theo two point. Oh which is never a bad thing thing and I think you're gonNA see some magic. You're saying Austin I think that you're gonNA see your guy. Jd Martinez to stay in. I'm sure that contrast and get reworked at. I think that when when it comes to mookie Betts and we're going to trade him if you're not gonNA trade him. I think he's going to get you the most value over then Dombrowski who I don't think would squeeze every last little little bit from it. Yeah you know. If you haven't exactly I'll again I was gonna say I was going to mention the same thing Dave just said. I think that bloom is going If if indeed mookie Betts does get traded I think he will get the most value back Not I wouldn't I. He's the guy that I one in their if he's GonNa get traded and we're going to have to look for a return I trust bloom and I think he's going to do a good job with that. The only the only weird thing about this is his one I moves of his entire like. GM career is probably going to be trading. mookie Betts and with the Boston media the way it is. I'm interested to see how they take event and see how they react to that but going back to Dombrowski me and this is the guy. That's always done better with a team. You know build a building a contender instead of building a farm because he has no regard for any farms at pretty much any point since I think as marlins days if we want to go all the way back but you know. He destroyed the Tigers Farm. He destroyed the bench Harrington built SOx farm as much as people hated Charrington. Cheriton put together a very very good farm system that we're reaping the benefits of even to this day and Dombrowski wasn't a guy that was sit around and wait for a team to to build this farm and when you have have a farmer's drives we do in Boston you're not going to be successful very long. And you'RE GONNA wind up. Possibly being a one. Hit wonder like they were last year. They're definitely in probably danger of doing that right because now we're to the point now where we have to get rid of some of these guys. You know there's no question you have to get rid of somebody. That's not even a question at this point. That's not even like a decision that might get made you have to shed payroll and I don't think that there's anybody better to do with at this point behind blue. Yeah I think I think he's GonNa resent it well and like you said the guy trade somebody or they're gonNA treat multiple people which get into a situation of you know who's going to replace that but you know it's going to be interesting to see. I think he's definitely got the job and I think that he will make the right decisions. That are tough. Because he doesn't have a heart attached to it. He doesn't care care about mookie. Betts or Jason Benintendi. He doesn't care that Benintendi had a great catch. She doesn't care. Jj was Dale CSM VP. He doesn't can't eat raw. Took a step up if you can get value when you can replace you. He will give you a chance to talk to Scott Green of prospects fifteen hundred. Can you kind of introduce him. And you know Kinda give us a brief brief overview of what your you guys talked about in the upcoming. Yeah so Scott Works Prospects fifteen hundred has a site on a Winnie started it but He's been really successful with it. I know all three of us are big fans of what he does just in the interview we talked on the bloom higher. We talked about JD. Martinez mookie Betts and then some prospects prospects to watch for so starting off. Let's both try to tackle this High in bloom higher. I don't know about you but I was a pretty big fan of the higher her I've read nothing but good reviews about him. I read from. You know a prospect Guys that right that they love that they love bloom. ooh And he comes from a very heavy analytical background was with the rays and the with the Ray Success I. I'm I'm happy to poach someone away from the organization to come over for us but give your thoughts on the higher as a whole. Yeah well I'm going into this as you know myself not knowing a lot about bloom. I'm not a race fan. I haven't followed the raise organization in-depth other than knowing a lot a lot of their top prospects for our website and what we do on social media in just doing some reading and and following along with the press conferences NCES and and and listening to what others in the industry are saying about boom boom. I'm becoming a fan I. I'm excited about about the higher Some work that he's done over. The last several years in Tampa has been very good and they've built up a really good Major you're an minor league system and I think that he's GonNa bring all of that. You know to Boston and continued the I'm excited for it and I'm looking forward to even find out more about him. I mean knowing that I think is a Yale Grad and that he worked at Baseball Prospectus. That it only helps them in my eyes. Yeah me too and Yeah I was. I was pretty interested when I heard that he did right for. BP when he was younger and the weird thing about him was when he was at Yale he like majored in like Latin studies or something like that which great which has no correlation has job now. Wow which is kind of weird but I mean he. I think he's a really smart guy and I think With the goal or the goals at the ownership have for the red sox think he's the guy to tackle You know the situations in these situations and I obviously don't know that much about him just like you said uh-huh Right now I really like them. So jumping into the next topic. Every I checked my twitter today a and I'm seeing nothing but jd Martinez News and their thoughts yesterday jd. Martinez opted into his contract many speculated that he was going to opt out and to try to get more money with his agent being Scott. Boris what were your you know. What's your thoughts on this? These this news and was it good for the Red Sox. Well I think if we could just take a step back for a minute I think that the the bloom and the and the jd or kind of all going to be a little bit related here One of the only interviews. I've watched recently with well not really an interview Bloom was was on a call with Sam Kennedy and a couple others and he was asked about the rookie. Beth situation gave a great answer. You know said there's so many options that we're looking looking at Would love to have him as a red sock forever. you know but couldn't really go into depth about the next steps so with Jd. We basically opting in as you said you know. He's he's here for another three years and I think it's about sixty four million dollars others and I'm happy that he is you know he. He helped us win world series. I say us. I'm a red sox fan since I can remember going back to being four or five years old so he helped us win world series and still had a very very good twenty nineteen. I'm glad that he is staying with Boston but I do think that's going to affect what they're going to be able to do with knowing that they've also got these huge contracts with price an sale and evolved E and. mookie is going to be looking for three hundred plus million dollars You gotta be over the thirty million a year average annual value so. I'm happy that JD. Staying I think that it could be the writing on the wall that they're not gonna be able to keep now. I hope that they do. I just have a feeling that he's GonNa Probably not be with us after after twenty twenty if he decides to if they don't trade him now I'm with you. I think when you get to keep a in a league hitter in JD Martinez. That's always a good thing but that does affect I think the situation A little bit more and I think F JD's eighties JD. DID OPT out. I think the red sox would have said you know. I'm sorry we can't you know there's not a future with us We need money for other and other positions and try to fill that D. H. role from within and Spend their money elsewhere but Yeah you you touched on the mookie situation relation. That's going to be the hot topic this whole off season. What do you think the red sox should do with Mookie Betts? I think that they should sign him and raise our ticket. Prices even more and keep a keep a championship team In fact that's what I think they should do What what I have a feeling they might try to do is make a trade this off season so they can get the most value four him and even what even if they did that? I don't think that they're going to get mookie value. I don't know that you're going to get value out of what what three or four younger players That's going to give you what Has Given us. I mean with his unbelievable twenty eighteen season season. People think he you know. Did you have an off year this past year. Twenty nine hundred eight and he hit two ninety five and slugged over five twenty and his own. PS was nine fifteen. He In his you know one big number I'd like to look at is this Waited runs created plus one hundred forty five for that advanced stat is not a bad stat. It was just off the charts in two thousand eighteen at one. Eighty five something that I did find really interesting. As he stopped running as much he only had sixteen stolen bases this past year yet the thirty year before so he was sitting in the leadoff spot both season. So that's something that's a little concerning but but in he's one of the best in the game any dynasty league that you might be playing and he's going to be one of the top three or four picks in every single angle league so I guess long story short. I think that they're going to try to sign him. But I wouldn't be surprised to. You know have them. You know. Say that they're working on trading him as well it you you pretty much hit it for me I think they should do is offer him. You know a deal that he shouldn't refuse but I guess my opinion. Is You know the red sox have the right to want to keep an WanNa know if he's going to re sign with the club So they don't lose him for nothing but Mukhi does have a right to say. Hey I want to go into free agency how much money I could make. But McKie's gotTa understand stand where the front office is coming from. They WANNA commitment and I think the deals that they've That have leaked in what deals they've offered him have been completely fair and I think if he is wanting to stay with the red sox he should take that deal. But I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know what should happen. I mean I. I'm of of the opinion that mookie is one of the greatest players in the game right now and he's a once in a generation talent. He's a homegrown player The routes Red Sox have developed them men. Look at where he's at now and I'd hate to see him walkaway that would just suck in. But you can't lose them for nothing either. So I don't know I I. I would hate to be hind bloom. I honestly I me and my co host. We're talking about this yesterday. I honestly do not know. High Boom even took the job with this task in front one of them. Yeah you don't want this to be his you know. Is this going to be his his lasting legacy with the IT being probably one of the first moves that he makes six You know whether he's you know under traded or we'll see we'll see pretty soon I guess that's that's what's exciting. I having even grown up a sox fan and You know being in my I can actually say I'm in my Middle Ages now. I've seen so many sox players that leave and they don't get anything for these players so let's let's hope that doesn't happen here. Yeah and you touched us. We've touched on trading Potential players in your opinion. Why outfielder OUTFIELDER Benintendi Bradley Bets. That's which outfielder as the most likely to get traded this offseason. In your opinion I would think bets. I don't think that they're even considering trading trading Benintendi and I don't know that J. J. has a lot of market value that would Would bring us. It's a return that the SOx would be looking for so to answer the question. I think that's probably has the most chance of being traded. I may be the I may be a minority and saying that but I'll stick to that for now no I I agree with you there. I'm I don't know if you saw Jeff Pasta the passing. I'll even know how to pronounce his last name. I work yes bien His latest piece included a statement that said if the red sox would want to trim payroll They could move on from potentially bogart's do you see him. Being traded at all not after that huge extension they just gave him. I don't see that happening. Yeah an I- BOGART's is my favorite player on the team and I think he has been Everything that I was was hoping he would become an I really really liked bogaerts and I hope he does not be. I hope he doesn't get traded but then Ken Rosenthal had a piece today. That that Kinda mentioned the same idea. But instead of trading BOGART's he mentioned trading Benintendi In a pitcher and bats Not Bad Maybe a pitcher to clear up payroll to sign that you see that happening all I just. I don't think excel at see them doing that with with the younger players. And I think that that is really the only one that's movable. Yeah and I totally agree with you. You I think the whole idea of trimming payroll kind of overblown and I don't know if that's their actual. You know goal. I I don't know if John Henry is quite the public speaker. That Sam Kennedy is and maybe he misspoken that's not really they're like mandate but You know who knows They could be really adamant on trimming payroll and want the you know. Cut Payrolls who who who knows what's going to happen to you. Give me one bold prediction addiction for the twenty twenty Red Sox so saying that they'll win more games than they won in nineteen not a huge bold prediction But for me to say that How about this one Chris? Sale does not go on the injured list all year long along pretty bold one. I liked that one. I don't even know if I believe it but I think it's I think it's pretty bold to say that he doesn't go on the I mean if he doesn't go on the I l.. The three hundred strikeouts maybe twenty wins and era under one point under two. I really liked that one. And if that does has happened I WANNA be contacting you and I just don't don't reach out to me when the I l. on May second but just closing things out. Thanks Scott so much for coming on Your everyone who's listening to the show go go check out Scott's work I'm a big Fan and I'm sure we're going to have him back on in the future. Yeah I really appreciate you have me on Gabe again. If you guys want to check out what we're we're doing Prospects fifteen hundred dot com. You can check us out there on the website on twitter and I'm on twitter as well at Scotty underscore ballgame all game. Thanks so much for having me on. Hey guys if you haven't heard about anchor it's easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record in your your podcast right from your phone or computer anchor will distribute your podcast for you so it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts and many other platforms. You can make money from your podcast with no minimum listeners. Sner and it's everything you need to make a podcast when David started this podcast. We definitely didn't think that it would be this. 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Go sitting on the protect Fernando terrain but You know the inability to stay healthy. This year was obviously sad because he was a very special player was well on his way to at least competing with pita Lonzo four that rookie year in possibly take it from taking it from him. And one of my favorite players in all of baseball to watch Mike's Arocca who was absolutely quietly dominant in Atlanta. And then finally once he gets spotlight spotlight. You put 'em you pitch them in the playoff game. He pitches pretty spectacular. Gabe I know what Dave's order is but what is your order. And who is your winner on the in a rookie of the year So NL rookie of the year winning it. I have p Alonzo just monster year from him. Set the NL Rookie homerun record. Yeah I mean you. You can't really justify anybody else but then I would. I would have to go talk. Tease and then Sirocco talkies was just like you said if he kept kept it up he would have been up there in contention for for Lonzo's a place at the top up spot but I just think you know with that injury dropped off and you really can't give it to him. But I I would have to go Alonzo Totti's SIROCCO. I had appeal onto a plus two thousand to win rookie of the year and he won which was great. He's going to win. I haven't in order that essentially said I have and Alonzo Saroka okay. And then tattoos. Tattoos was hurt and didn't do enough before he got hurt. Get it over Alonzo. Obviously and I got some Sirocco for some love because there was a pitcher her rookie of the Year award in a batter Rookie Award Sirocco win it hands down. The king was unbelievable. At one point he was like eight no like under to Yarra he was so oh good this year on a team. That not only competed but made it to game. Five of a series won their division. I mean he was not pitching on the Miami Marlins or on Baltimore Making some Nice Place. Your what is your now I mean you like John McCain does well but I think I think Sirocco was there. Alonzo's going to win it easily but Ted sees is going to be amazing. He's going to have a great year next this year and he might have a better year than next year will Lonzo tank fifty every year. Probably not but I think you'll hit thirty plus every year. But if you're going to bat to sixteen St Thirty versus Nando who might bad three twenty and hit twenty you. Who Do you want there and your team? I have the order that Dave has in. That might surprise a lot of people considering considering that the team that I cover but Mike Sirocco was undeniable. You know and Dave's right. Fernando didn't do enough for me prior to the injury to to justify justify keeping him in you know in the top two I mean Sirocco was just absolutely dominant. Alonzo was great You know I think it might be a situation where everybody adjusts to Alonzo once the baseball. Switch back that it might maybe never switch back. They oh they are. It's happening that it that it changes a little bit. I obviously think Fernando is going to have the best career out of the three of them. Like if you ask me who I think's going to have the best career in order I would probably tell you. Fernando uh-huh Sarokin Alonzo Pita Lonzo was legendary Pita Lonzo was I keep saying this but absolutely undeniable for rookie of the year. Yeah and there's something I want to throw out there. I thought was pretty cool. Statistic was taty worth two thirds as much by war as Alonzo And he played half that time. So that's that justifies the number two slot. Yeah and I I just like I said if Totti's played the whole year I think he you would ended up getting it but SIROCCO was on a different level to He was out like four war. I think last Last time I checked in he just China yet monsters. Great the playoffs. Yeah let's go ahead and hop onto the AL rookie year at Davis throwing shade is GonNa go Somebody that I don't think anybody had for their rookie year. Picking the beginning correct. I think we both at Astros. I think we might have all three had. No no Colton had called Nettie Loy L.. Rookie year we have Jordan Alvarez Brennan Low John Means No Eloy Jimenez before we get into anything else. What do we think about the in fact it is not on this ballot? It's fine I think I don't you don't I mean I think he. I think he picked it up. You know with the home runs and stuff light that but I think next year is going to be really good. I think your John deserves it a lot. I think they have to have a pitch around their Jordan's GONNA win hands down he deserves. Is it just beat Alonzo does but I think John Means be number two spoiler and Brennan low the third Eli could be replaced low but lois pretty consistent all a year. We went up and down. And I think like if you're going to get on the ballot you gotta be pretty consistent. And before he got hurt was consistent. Obviously SIROCCO was Lonzo. When you're called up? He was extremely consistent and in the playoffs. He struggled for the first couple of rounds but then she had a pretty decent world series Brune lows pretty good from start to finish in John means so that's why I think it's okay. Not tabby analyst Jordan with Jordan did was twice as impressive as what hoskins did a couple years ago like I remember when he came up and he was just smashing. Baseball's your did it for like three hundred at bats. It was one of the most miraculous things in baseball history. It was kind of insane. Yeah I'd go Alvarez winning it there's just no question He had a monster season and then low and then means talk about a disappointment. Appointment from Vladi. I really expected to see him in this Top three but he just kind of had a disappointing season and the Michelle. Kinda came up too late but yet I would have to go Alvarez low and then means I think I think that this is more of a weaker class than the NFL obviously sleep because the NFL's classes just spectacular like we just talked about. I think there's a clear winner here just like there is in the NFL. I think it's your turn Alvarez and I think it's one one of the first of many Astros awards that we're GONNA have a consensus on here. Yeah the Astros did everything hurts tempur series. Oh Boo I mean hey. I don't carry the way I'm happy. And that's why it vindicates a lot of contracts and I know the nationals aren't gonNA probably keep that team but that's okay so I'm just up feeling sad ad for people that get happy about a train Moving onto manager the year. Let's talk about the manager of the year. I find this to be an interesting bunch. I find it very hard to give the manager of the year to somebody. That doesn't win their division. Am I wrong in that thought process. Dave yes you are because if say for example Aaron Boone got the award last year winning one hundred three games even though he didn't win his division he's still one hundred three games some okay. If he didn't division a guy like Craig Counsel won one game. Oh yes one nine games but look what he did it with you lost Christian Yelich Elhage. They went on a big run and they don't have starting pitching they never have starting pitching. Hopefully this offseason fixed themselves but they got some interesting guys there. I don't think I put put Brian in their all from the braves I really don't I think he's last my list. It's a toss up between council and slid slid for me and I think I'm GonNa go council just for the fact that he had to deal with a lot of obstacles and if if Christian Yelich was in that that game the nets never win the world series because he's not a basic error run field. I mean I'm I'm pretty. I gave tonic. Convince me Here's here's my case for council when yellowish went down. He I think a lot of people counted the brewers out once Yelich Went down yet. Yeah but he went to the front office and he said I'm going to manage every game from here now as a one game playoff and he did that and they went on this crazy run and they and they he got that wildcard spot and they were a few outs away from advancing to the LCS or ano- Ds but you know an air happens wont Soto Auto happens and the rest of the system but I still have to go council. Just because the brewers had their backs against the wall and he led that team to a playoff spot and and I I think he's the winner for me. And then I'd have to go Shelton and SNICK snigger sticker. I can't even pronounce any of these guys. Names I think income going snicker I really think I am like in a division. That was tough. Is that one. Was You obviously have the Marlins I get that you know but I mean this is a team full person but wait. They had philly. They were loaded right. Didn't they win one hundred games. I have my Phillie loaded Richard on currently Joe Shutout pitch regrets. I'm thinking of going was snicker I really do. I just think that he managed to A lot of talent and I don't think that that should be something that you know people discount. It's a whole lot harder order than people think you know when you have a team full young kids when you have a team you know that you just. I didn't expect them to win as many games as they did. They exceed my expectations. They also I mean I know we're not supposed to take a postseason success But definitely because it didn't happen. But I'm I'm all win on Snicker snicker winds shout out to Mike Who eliminated snicker and yeah so we disagree? Hooray a manager of the year. I think this is going to be quick. I think that this is going to be consensus. rockabilly Delis team last year. That wasn't his team yet. One seventy games and turned around in one. I think it was one hundred four games this year. Can anybody give me an argument. To why Rocco Bell Deli isn't the manage the year I can't because he's from my home state and he played great a little side thing here. Aaron Judge Beat mookie Betts for the Wilson isn't Defensive Player of the Year award in right field breaking news. Yikes what's what how. Yes I mean when you when you get to play in a sandbox walks I mean it's it's fine. I guess that's true back contract rockabilly. Did something that you don't really see too often. He took a borderline lies. Place team to first place team in a division isn't very good by any means it might be the worst division baseball. But Cleveland still good. They have to really bad. It seems to really good teams but Aaron Boone with the Yankees. I mean that team is as easy as it gets to manage even with all the injuries this year which is why he's even a candidate which is because of all the interest trees he had guys come up that he just played Sandra so it's not like he was really struggling at any point Kevin Cash. I think it's just like a ruled old Kevin cash or Joel Madden have to be in the lists for managers did awesome games sometimes cash. They're good job this year though. I go Rocco one cash to boone. Three I think there are probably some of the people that deserve to be over boone. But Him Yellen where a bunch of savages out. There probably got him low more spotlight dental the coaches. That's the answer for me. I HAVE TO CASH I. I like what rocker did in Minnesota but I I just cashed the way. He did zing so he had. So the race had the lowest payroll. They lost Some key starters and they had a couple other injuries in just that roster. I think cash deserves a lot of credit for The way they handle themselves and the way they played this year and not not Discount anything that rocketed. I think he did a amazing job as well and I agree with you. Guys on the boone thing the whole were savages. Thing got him got him some attention in and that's why he's in there in my opinion but I think all both two guys did an amazing job in my book. So we got to Baldarelli's bellies and a cash. NL Cy Young. It's funny you 'cause. How often do you hear candidates say that another candidate? It deserves the award. Not often but he wasn't wrong either no he wasn't wrong Jacob. DEGROM IS GONNA win back to back Cy. Young Awards. If everything shakes out correctly the Reuse phenomenal he like you. It's hard to it's hard to understate. How good he was for dodger team? That really really needed needed him this year. But I mean Jacob degrom just spectacular man. Yeah DEGROM IS GONNA win hands down for me All three of these guys are just elite. This season in re you had a huge season especially in a contract year. And I I. It's hard for me to rank these guys but I'd have to go dig rum reunion Sherzer. I I don't know This this is hard I actually wanted. I'M GONNA backtrack a little bit. I WanNa go degrom Sherzer then review. Yeah I think at the full season as a whole I think shears are Gets the little tip of real is it because like how bad of like second half theory you had I go with a degrom reuse Sherzer just because of how like three fourths of the year. Where for radio the best pitcher in the NFL as much as like stirs maybe the most consistent over the past five years kershaw up for that Bumgarner in the early two thousand ten was unbelievable but the grandma will ask us any great Yup Sonny Gray sure that he got a couple of comeback player of the year weighed seventy Ra? He was unbelievable. Pictures that are in small markets. The CY young though is takes two grams award to lose next year as well. He's just getting better and on a team where he gets no support for some reason. Just him he He continues to go out there mentally and crushing it. I think wins in a landslide. Honestly because I think we're used comments may of kind of showed people like. Yeah he really. He doesn't deserve it. DEGROM reuser for me. I mean I not GonNa Discount what our er AJ did US basically becoming more and more of a useless But it is important still like er a is not useless. Like wins is useless. I think he already in the day shows a lot. I think fifth shows more but the eerie showtime the time was a champion. And that's something hard to state. I mean he's almost sixty points better than Sherzer was In that aspect of the game I think that he was better than Sherzer. was as you as a whole this year. Shears missile lifetime. Just the just the I mean how. How long was re you in the ones for er a after all star it was kinda crazy it was kind of reminiscent of what degrom did last year except degrom finish? The fight are any Let's go ahead and we got two grams here. We got two different second place finishers correct. Yep Yep all right Al Cy Young. This is fun. I like this a lot. Is I really like all three candidates. I think that on just about any other year that Charlie Morton probably win this award but when you have two guys going going out there and competing against each other consistently and you know just trying to. I'm I'LL BE I'll be probably best each other every single outing. It was something miraculous to watch even from Houston Hater. And I'm I'm at. I probably of the same order as most of you guys do words. It's cold berliner morten. But I could be wrong yet. That's my order and I totally agree with you. This was last year or next year. I think Charlie Morton wins the award. We're out right and it's not shocking. That all three guys either played for the Astros or did recently play the Astros and Charlie Morton going to Tampa this year. Garrett Cole deserves it that not hands down by any means but he deserves it. Great Year in a contract year. You obviously saw him after the world series with Scott. Boris had on talking about how he's basically a higher gun. It was great. It was really funny honestly refreshing. He's like Listen Zach Cranky at one point said he would rather go play for the worst team in the league if they give them three hundred million dollars and he played the royals so he kind of knows what it comes like. He went from the royals to one of the busters in the West and the dodgers others and he's still said that. So that's kind of goes showed some of these guys do care about money more Garrett Cole definitely cares about money more. CC Sabbatical came out today today. Saying he could pay him enough money he will come here to near to the Yankees as in here. But I think Cole wins at Arlanda Second Wharton third. I don't think this is a runaway. I think this is very fourteen. Thirteen thirteen four split on these awards. You always have those weird people are gonNA try. GotTa give it to Morton because they think that very winter colour splitting boats too much. Yeah you'RE GONNA get the hipsters they're just like but Charlie Morton didn't Tampa like it makes any difference when the pitcher pitches but and I mean I guess that's the only one because of course is tough. There's Dona Weird Yeah. It's less assaulted than here though Gabe what is your order on this award. And who is your winner. Same as you guys cold winds a late like you said it's not it's not on Like a runaway by no means but yeah but to backtrack a little bit going back to the drinking thing I think his problem is like well not even a problem. I kinda feel bad for the guy. He has that anxiety issue and the whole I think he just doesn't like to pitch or being a big market. I think thank you kinda likes to be off the radar a little bit. Oh yeah he got now. I will say I think market cricket wise Houston's big media wise no one says bad things about them so like if you're in New York if you're in Boston if you're in L. A.. If you mess up you hear it if you mess. Yeah does anyone really hear it. Like I don't think so tax in the national meal you know what I mean. Yeah I mean I know you like Houston everything weird time when he played for the angels. Yeah that was weird his baseball reference Beige. And we're going to do a whole all segment on the soon right on the weirdest baseball baseball reference pages to tell me we're doing daily Oh I think we're going to do it with Baileigh. Uh of that he really is he really shut up. Who's baseball God? Damn we're selling out. I mean it's not selling out. We're buying it there we go. Business is booming. Wait that was Let's go to the MVP's let's start in the NFL. Oh a situation. That's oddly very similar right. Outside of the appearance of Anthony Rendon The leader for the entire season gets hurt and a new candidate. Not even a new candidate candidate. That was there the entire season that we're we're kind of going back and forth who wins the NL MVP. Anthony Rendon cody bellinger Christian Yelich in. What's your order? This is hard This is controversial. This I I don't I think I have to give it. I don't know yellow is my favourite player. That doesn't play for the Red Sox but the injury hurts them so I have to go bellinger yellow. CH- random I mean I think bellinger's ballinger played the whole CR. I mean yellows ended ended up getting hurt or whatever and missed Sometime in Bellingham was a plus defender like He. He's pretty good in the field If your for accounting for the play offs which I know is so hard to not take an account for Rangoon is is up there but I think just the regular this season. Tickets bellinger yellowish rendon. If Yellow Birch didn't get hurt he would have run away with it. Yeah I I served but because he got hurt and because of how good bellinger like forty seven home runs or something like that I'm going bellinger. Rondonia allege because rent. Don't sneaky had an amazing year and Ren don't had a six point three war Gordon to baseball reference thirty four home runs three nineteen batting average. Four well obt. He's slugged five hundred ninety eight over thousand one hundred and twenty six B is he had one hundred seventy four hits. I mean. He just played phenomenally nominally. Well I'M GONNA put the plows into it. I just don't think that because it's got hurt and how well he continued to play. That don't deserve second place votes and we'll probably finished second behind bellinger Dave's right in my opinion. I think that you know. Just the time of the injury is really really really really hard. To overcome for Yelich. elhage could be possibly similar to another prospect at another player in another league but the difference. Is that the body worked for Christian. Yelich wasn't nearly as good as the guy in the AL And I think that you know rundowns late surge in we know what he he puts the invaluable mean. That team needs him same. I mean you can't really say the same for bellinger is valuable to his team. But he's not nearly as valuable. Ask Ask Anthony Rendon or Christian Yelich but the invaluable doesn't mean anything to people so it's cutting ballinger Anthony Rundown Christian Yelich and then for some reason Ronald Junior has odds I think he did have a forty forty year. Didn't they know he almost did more yet. Just about I I mean he forty he should have been a nominee. Yeah because nobody does very true. Now donors three bellinger's injures Two second-place ringtones in one third place for Numb. Yep David are doing the thing where we always agree Film we're not about to I hail MVP Probably my favorite candidate of all these guys. That isn't one of my favorite players and baseball. The fact that Marcus is on here is an absolute gorgeous active active baseball. I love that Marcus is even included in this. I love that. He's obviously not GonNa win. But I liked that the nominees a rewarding defense at this point to Yeah they kind of a little bit of everything because he was kind of luggage army knife when he came to doing stuff this year they really was what they thought. Dirksen it was gonna be but Next person up is Alex Bregman Dave. Okay well Alex Bregman amazing year you know. Obviously he's a rising star but he's going to lose the MVP race to my trout. And here's why he's he's GonNa move by trout. Unlike you know yellowish when he got hurt and all that fun stuff the played appearances between bellinger and and Yelich Elhage were pretty big in difference. So was the war and everything else but between Bregman and between drought. It's not that big of a difference for example war Bregman. I even had point one better. This accord baseball reference. So at that's less than one hundred more than him. So pretty close sample size might draw. Had more home runs. Mike Sharpe had one less batting average point. I believe a five westbound between special ninety one might trout had better be Mike. Trial had a better slugging. He had a better basically was better in every category than Bregman except for plate appearances. And that's why I'm giving him because he did it in less plate appearances if yellow Chad defy home runs when he went out he would have gotten it but he probably would have finished. It's something like that but he never got to do it. Mike Trout was on pay. State like sixty five home runs this this year but he already hit forty four of them forty six of them forty five I was in the Mitroff should win. MVP in Yale again because he's the best baseball player will time but if he doesn't it'll be pregnant second but I- habit as trout Bregman semi-in. I like seven everywhere. He actually hit. That was as big as this CRO Crouch it was. He couldn't hit power when did hit with singles. Now he's actually national debt to eighty really good from him shut. FOURTH-PLACE DJ Lemay Hugh who had a spectacular beard who is one of the show favorites from every single person on here gape tell me why the person you think is going to win is going to win. I think trowel is going to win. Thank God I think it's it's basically. My thoughts are the same as Dave and I'm pretty sure your yours are the same as Dave's as well. Trout is just unbelievable. Any does it year in year out just put like Dave said he had less played. Appearances was better in basically every statistical category and just is so valuable to his his team. If they didn't have trout you know. Look at where they'd be at. He's he's just on a different level. I think it goes Trout Bregman Siemian micro. Did more in in a hundred games less than Alex Bregman did. That's I mean. Not Games hundred plate appearances later gloves. And that's why I want to give it to. Because he just did so much more with less another question does he get it no. He doesn't get it they're going to give it to pregnant but I think that trump deserves it. It makes me sad too but it made me sad basically every year. He doesn't get it except the year that came in second. Because I felt like mookie Betts. Pretty that you're too. Yeah Yeah but trout also got denied. MVP's besides that one. It was proud that he shouldn't have lost. There's only triple crown year that I that I understood and then there was another Miguel Cabrera year. That didn't make sense to that. But our guys one last thing before we do get out of here on the super mega fantastic flipping episode of painting corners. Couple of announced. We're getting new logo. Which I'm pretty excited excited about guys on the podcast? Let's not get so talking to surprise. Yeah I'm barely even know what it looks like. I just a drew like a little template like a little three year old old in a descended away to a guy. That's very very very talented at once. We get the logo back all reveal his name and promote the hell out of like we used to do with our other guy but What is your biggest prediction in boldest prediction of the twenty nineteen twenty twenty off season? The angels go get cold transport. Both of them I think I'm with day but it's not Straw for. I think it'll be coal and another guy I don't I I don't know who but I think they make a big big splash. And I I really hope they do I'm getting. I'm already getting excited about this. Angels team if they can land Colon somebody else. But if they can that'll be the San Diego padres jumped in the deep end and trade for Independent. Oh Boy oh where the what the Red Sox can get Louise areas probably guy like Michelle bias so you get you get your everyday a second baseman you get A starting pitcher. That can help you now and then probably two more pieces like like lower pieces like an Edward Oliveras and end maybe the lower guy in the system like in that twenty five to thirty range. So there's a good return for it If configured figure at the fuck out it'd be even better and probably hundred fro- I wouldn't hate that I wouldn't either you rent out out there and then you can kind of put doll back and change at first base. Did we record our Indians trade the other day another bold trade predictions that the Los Angeles dodgers. That's not really the bowl part trade Francisco endure. I think that it's cory seager. Khyber Ruis Tony Goslin and then probably somewhere deep deeper in the system like somebody like Santana's so that The Indians get their starting catching prospect of future which they desperately need after the departure Francisco Mea. They get their starting shortstop immediately lately to help them at least remotely keep contending. You could a starting pitcher that can help you with the next couple. I mean even months to begin the season Then you also get somebody you know maybe an outfielder in Villier like a Santana or obviously you're not going to go with somebody like Peter Downes whose that high up in less they ask for where it was feared the dodgers and you're really going all in. Don't you take that anyway. I think you might see Jack Petersen going like that too. I think it might be in a separate deal to. Yeah I think you could see Peterson. Just go somewhere by himself. But I'm big for do go guy. So if the red sox go out and trade. Oh that's my other one. I guess the Red Stocks Trade Monkey bets the dodgers and it starts around for do go or May and goes down from there. I wouldn't hate the fact that it starts around for Dugo. Can you imagine that. Can you imagine starting the next year and your favorite red sox out further is the only one left seriously thinking it really could be. JV Jason do go and like a Renfro or something ridiculous like that. And then you have diverse Bo Guards Chavis Dahlbaeck as for second third gave any bold trade predictions Thank you guys pretty much nailed it. I think I'm still still thinking on the mookie Lewke situation. I have no idea what's going to happen. I think will know more in about a month. or so. Who knows Prediction pixelbook basket straight in the first two months. The offseason. Yes there's old. It's either going to happen. It's either going to happen sooner or not happen at all. which I think would be a mistake? Thank you for joining us on this Super Super Omega flipping fantastic episode of corners to start the off season. We do starter. off-season previews kind of our signature. I guess next. FM definitely our signature. contractually Dave's right next week. Starting with Tuesday. They're going back to Tuesdays and this year. We're going to space them out a little bit more. WE'RE GONNA go to Fridays on the second off season preview episodes of the year the order that they are coming out in to start with the first three is first of all. We're going with the Toronto Blue Jays with the amazing Ian Hunter who did a fantastic job with us last year on those Then on that Friday. We're going to go to the Miami Marlins Ethan from

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Sequester Season 3 | Episode 9 Recap | Ceejae Gardiner

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Sequester Season 3 | Episode 9 Recap | Ceejae Gardiner

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That's Harrys Dot com code. Five thousand. Enjoy enjoy so uh cast this one so if you Ask Battle to wait to see Hello everyone and welcome to our sequester. QUESTORS podcast I'm your host and Armstrong and with me. Today we have a very special guest. I'm very excited to be talking with our guest this week. It's sad jay from season to how you doing. Cj I am doing wonderful how are you. I'm doing great very excited to be talking with you. I'm excited ready to get your takes. I'm ready to do this me too. Also with me tonight is Brent. Wall Gamut Brent. I've seen some of your reactions to this episode on social media. I don't know if anybody is prepared for what's going to happen tonight isn't it. I think that I have actually been cursed. I wanted the seven deadly sins. I'm thinking it was rat terrier and that's what it was. It was the rap I got hit with the RAP card. CJ and. I'm all out of shape about this episode of sequester. I mean I think I think that's a pretty common. I'm in one with you to be fair. That's I've watched book. It's how I watch TV. Look I'm GonNa be really guys okay. Real real from the start right okay. I was talking about tonight. She's like Brent. Just don't go quite so personal at these people and I'm like that is not how I do my podcast right. She's like I original twitter and you're just so raw and I'm like well I it's like two hundred eighty characters. I'm sorry to explain myself however even besides that like that's just how I am. You gotta live with that. I mean I will continue to podcast about the way. I've podcast until rob tells me not to okay. I Rob doesn't want me here then. I won't be here anymore. But this is how podcasts. I'm a fan on the couch. As I've always said you want logic in rational thinking you go to Taryn you want passion and standing your favorites you come to me. That's just how it is my favorite sir. I appreciate it Kim. I I've been there. It's a losing battle We are here to talk about the latest episode of Sequester Season Three. It was the seven deadly sins. Twist that we are going to face this week and of course. We're coming off of the week. Where Cameron went down for the second time? And and we're going to see that Erica. At the start of this episode is GonNa come storming back in she does. She does not believe that hunter screwed her over. So she's going to jump straight into his lab and Like oh it's just us it's just as hunter and he's like got to get you out of here to start the episode. CJ honestly. I just had to shake my head. The whole time says like really really really really add left-back hunters just planning on. Yeah for sure. Like he's doing a good job of making. It seem very believable that he was not involved involved in any of that so props to him in that regard. Yeah that's about the only props hunters going against us today. Yeah Okay Yeah. That's that's one thread from this episode. That I found interesting was that Cameron. Like set it up. She teed it up she said Hunter was in on this and and she didn't believe it. I don't believe it no. I don't I don't think that's true. I know you're lying and then I was so surprised that nobody else tried to. I think even just one other person was like oh no yeah. Hunter was doing that. I think two people would have made made her think. Wait a minute to people and then maybe should have asked to third would have been like. Oh yeah no totally Z.. Totally did that. And maybe the secret could've come out but apparently did not yeah. I don't know if it was going to work. I mean who else is Erica. Have to turn to at this point so even if you do try to turn him against hunter I feel like she's like well that's the only sort of maybe kind of ally that I have. So what am I going to pick him. What the hell am I going to do? How is that going to change the status Woah things? Also I feel like hundred would have been able to hide in the like look. I really didn't want to pick you eric. I really didn't want to campaign with you but everyone else was saying. That's that's I felt like I had to go along with them like I tried and true way that reality TV contestants if I were things is I I was just taking order basically which never comes up. Well all right. Well we're going to start this episode off as I said with the Erika stuff. But then we're GONNA learn about the seven deadly twins twist I just seven deadly twins sins twists since twist not twins cyst and so so. My God Paul's drag race her so they're seven players remaining. They're each going to pick at random one of the seven deadly sins and they each have their own specific effects on the player. Chooses them so We can we can run through some of these but most of them were relatively most of them were like obstacles in the way of the strategizing. Doing so. For Instance Erica picked pride and so she had to wear a blindfold the whole time herself. Yes and I thought that was actually well edited. You did where she's talking about. How great she is and then she chooses pride in in the confessional to choosing the thing so so that was that Jess Cho- got slot believe which meant that? She was in bed the whole time. And this was I would not have liked this one had to spoon. Everybody that she that she strategized with it. I don't know I I don't know if she went full spoon there but she definitely had to get close to each each person. So that was that was definitely in the way of the strategizing J.. Lo had to eat a gross meal. She had gluttony This was not one of my least favorites only because of of Dustin punishment which which was greed need I believe and he basically had to had an option in front of him that he could choose to get a free pass through this round around but if he chooses it then everybody else has to eat the gross meal from gluttony. Soon as they said that was the punishment. It's no brainer off. Yeah right and so he chooses it. Everybody has to eat the gross meal and now it's not unique to jail anymore. Yeah I didn't like that. I I thought the gluttony one was stupid I it could have bought up something else first of all I like this. Twist the twist wasn't the issue. My biggest issue with the episode is the contestants. Were just trying to find ways around the twist rather than trying to work with the twist. Yeah but be that as we'll get to that I agree with your take on the gluttony and then Dustin getting a fast fast just imposing the gluttony punishment on everybody else it really it. It was a week sauce to me as I say. Cj and I didn't really think that I thought he should have had to give up something a little bit harder in order just like you can fast faster around to the final six but you have an automatic vote cast against you. That people don't know about in that round something like that where you would instantly have to pay if your greed. But he didn't have to pay for anything with the greed and that's what I didn't lie. I feel like there was. It was very like the consequence once was not worth necessary. The reward. Yes yeah. I agree with the gluttony. I feel like that was of all of them. Be Weekdays eleven of the twists. Just because you eat nasty food. That's that like everybody else. Had something that would in a way affects their strategy. Jane think bad breath is necessarily anonymous traitor. So it's like by you know it is. It is what it is. Yeah I like me. Maybe I'm not like the most picky eater in the world that it also didn't seem like that bad out of a meal. Maybe I'm just crazy crazy. It was pretty bad. I don't know if I would have been like Jalen I'd have been like like I tasted a little bit. Is that okay. Maybe I'm too used to like I like eating large bugs and stuff but like hot dog slices Mrs and not from sequester. Obviously but I just watched the challenge with a grocery okay. Sorry I thought you were eating the large sea gross bugs you said. I'm so used to eating large bugs. That's what you said. I'm so used to eating. Gross bugs as part of those challenges. Believe bugs but but overall and also like there's there's only like they left right exactly no-brainer. How many meals are they to like two more? Yeah this is definitely the last day because it's morning or it'll be a bright day when you're seeing this and they only have two more rounds to go by six point five and then final four finale. So I mean in the finale itself. The cycle for finale starts at the final five. So there's only two more episodes after this which I assume they're on the Sunday or the Monday that they were on in there in there in the home stretch threats at this point. Yeah he was a no-brainer. The person who had the least amount of problems with this in this episode was Dustin. I'm going to sport. But he did what he was supposed to do. And take take the fast pass to the final six and call it. Yeah I do I do appreciate the idea of this though. I like the idea. I feel like it's kind of old school. Big Brother the idea of. Here's an advantage but you have to Piss people off in order to get it as opposed to a poorly designed game thing where there's a game balance where I I think it could be could be well designed but often big brother it's poorly designed and I feel like it is interesting to try and combine social with the game elements. Yeah I and I take your point on that and C. J. This thing and the thing that I always run into is like to me because I knew who produces the show. Obviously Audrey Melton and I love the people who are a part of it I hold hold the shoto higher standard. I know that like big brother does shitty twists and. That's what big brother does they do. Shitty twist when it comes to sequester. I expect the twist to be better than big brother. And so they are more like the level of big brother. I'm unhappy make sense when you also have to consider the fact. It's not just the twist but it's laying while right. I know we'll get we'll get into the castle. Getting dragged played Boy Voy while the other the others are there to vote. So Zack has two votes and vote for different people. Yeah that was job I don't remember which then that was. I don't remember either to be separate people at couldn't put two votes on on one person and then hunter is going to lose lose his vote which makes him very upset. I I don't know how I was supposed to feel here. Thank you Jay. Especially the the initial the initial confessional. He's done so many of the like really sarcastic. Like oh man. I'm so sad about is not that I was expecting him to go not but he was like no but seriously it sucks and it shows in like crying on the couch but then he's like and here's me playing up my sadness but it does and I was like how am I supposed to feel. CJ It was. It was very jarring. And I was unsympathetic prophetic to it. Just because of how much been like I'm hunter and not even a snake night don't care like hasn't really expressed a lot of emotions. Motions aside like Hager Hurricane Hunter. So it's like you this way. Judas seems like he's doing it or shell oh and not necessarily like a genuine. I'm sad yes I'll say this then. People expect me to drag hunter on the round where nobody was talking to him and he was acting out. And I'm like bits please. That's the realist. That hunter has ever been on this show like every other time. I see hunter on this show. It's cans confessionals. How's that I don't even know how to feel very awkward? Hunter complaining that people are talking to him and acting like a fricken sheild. That was real to me and so at least I could identify with that but everything else about him and it just seemed totally fake. Even if he doesn't mean for it to also call me crazy but this was a good thing for him. I think so hunter. And you're scared of standing up for a battle Maj which apparently he is right. But when it's Eric that's going to be voted out anyway and you've snakes snakes. The snake people on the last two votes. This is basically you had to either snake them. Again by not voting Erica or finally Erica and revealed to her her that she can't trust you. Maybe that maybe she would actually pick you in that instance but because you don't have any vote you get to keep the blood off your hand. Obviously Eric is not going to pick you so this is kind of a best case case scenario for someone like CGI felt like this was absolutely the best case scenario. Yeah it just at this point. Yeah he would have. Ben Expose promoting her had had that vote and that would have been the line in the sand. But I think just because he didn't have the votes like Oh down we're gonNA love you. Best for life like countries like. Yeah I know yeah yeah. Cj I wanted to tell you this and I think I told you this off line but you war cameron before Cameron you were. The girl has got strong opinions. Who doesn't community how who is leading out in front and who has like the interesting owner emotions go with it? I loved that about you but I definitely we like. It definitely bothered me about anyway. Mobile was that supposed to be a compliment. Day I liked I like Cj. Yeah you like me you Karen I I think it was a hammer camera was hating on Erica. And that was the problem that I didn't really like cameras or anything she did do. I was like yeah. I'm had enough of you by whereas you aren't really hating on anybody's particularly on your season you were just. I mean you definitely had hate for people but it was enough hate to go around and so when it happens like that I feel like it can identify with it. Kinda hit everybody right now to I would say otherwise but I think I think that she for whether or not Brent likes you is do you like the person he likes if yes. You're good if no not good. So what are your feelings on. Erica Erica stand. I'm ready to get into that whenever it comes up Goto okay. There's one morrison and that was Tories. And if I'm being honest I don't remember what it was. It was her. She had to have her entire voting history displayed. People we now know wasn't really. I don't think anything the thing that was worth showing. I'm guessing wildly help. And we accent. Yeah they definitely Yada Yada it it so whatever we gotta confessional from Tory very like great. I'm happy to show people who've been voting for I've always been miss authentic. She brings the word again and so people will know. I've been authentic. Cj Not lost there all right. So that's that sets the stage for the strategizing jazzing this round and speaking of Tory. She is going to go to Erica pretty quickly and I thought this was hilarious. Just based on my analysis us how Tory is played the game that one of Tories more successful conversations with another player is when they're blindfolded cancer mannerisms and Eric. I can't see her so I'm not exactly sure how to take this but it sounds good. Oh God yeah. That's Great I. It was really like other people who incoming Tory again is not one of them. I was very happy with Tori in this episode. Yes she was trying to help Eric but I do feel like she had him hermanus. She was willing to switch which gears and midstream. This isn't okay. I'm going to get into right now. And then we can talk about. Moore's goes on. This is my problem with the rest of you on sequester is that you're just playing the all the leader. You're just playing. The somebody told me to do what I'm GONNA do. What Jessica like Hulu? Who are we voting for this week? We're Veronica okay. Let's rare There's no method to your madness. It's just like what am I being told to do. And then I'll do it if the leader says I'll do this. Dustin who is obvious ostensibly leading the house right now. If you says we're going to vote Erica. Then we'll vote. Erica Tori at least has a mind of her own. And it's like you know what I'm GonNa give you a good show. I'm going to realize that not only only does this make good. TV but also this for my game. Because I need Erica and the final four at this point and it doesn't behoove me to just go along with the plan of everybody else to go ahead and keep voting out Erica. Like Jalen does who apparently doesn't have a mind Verona just says I'm just GONNA keep putting up there until the cows come home. which by the way is not good good? TV My problem with you guys in sequester augury brought you on the show to make good TV and Gela. This is not good TV. This is boring TV. So that's why I did with everybody right now okay. She's got fun confessionals. That's her good. TV apparently that's that's all she sees. So that's what matters. Okay I know what honestly I feel like this. This episode relief was a reminder of how adaptable story is and her like kind of social control. That she has in this game because she was able to jump ship from Dustin. And Zack. Like okay I don't WanNa work with like cameras guy so I don't mean seem to be with you guys. What's Good Erica? We need to be sitting next to each other at that roundtable. So let's work from there because I feel like if if if Cameron was still in the game she would've been more willing to ride out what was already happening and because now rugs and pulled out from underneath there she's like okay. Okay let's go next next thing and not something that you really need. Instant foster to be successful is that ability to be like OK allies. Gone what do I need to do. Now what do I mean taking very quick on your feet and I think it's very prevalent because so many so many you feel like they're playing survivor where they vote somebody off and they say Ara Laura. The person that you vote off could come back so Tori. has that extra gear. where she's like okay? My Alley went home. What do I need to do now? How do I like? And it's not just that. She's looking from eighty two CD whereas I know what I need to do to prepare myself for the game whereas nobody else is doing that. Jails just like let's just put up now that that's what we've been. Don't let's do that. She has no freaking clue what she's GonNa do in the endgame or how she's going to get a win at the end boots by the way. The runner-up doesn't get any money. Absolutely nothing the winner gets everything. Everything's so the only way this is worth anything for us to get to the end in win. Jay How're you going to do that. I don't know you forgot about the twist last week and still voted for Eric. So what are you GonNa do this week just again I guess it sounds good. I I think this is the correct decision for Tori. I think that I mean basically basically this is what Tori has been for the last two or three rounds now been trying to get out dust basically ever since dust didn't said handshakes mean nothing to me. She's been like I don't want him here. I want does gone. I need more women in the final four so that I have the place to hide. Cameron didn't agree and every single round. She's just been unsuccessful at trying to get what she wants to have happened. Happened uh-huh and so it's gotten to a point where now she has turned to one of our enemies and be a kind of need each other which I do think they did. And let's let's try and work something out but again this round. She's not going to find much success in getting the other players to agree with her vision. And that's going to be obviously an issue for talking about Tori. Let's just let's just go through her little part of the game here because I felt like that she had good conversations with Eric but I felt like she faltered when and she was talking with Zach and Dustin I feel like part of that can be placed on Dustin. He was playing particularly bad. This round I think safety does that to people. Sometimes they act differently than the ordinarily would. What if they felt like they were on the chopping block? But I felt like Tori just needs to be a little bit more honest with us. Then it'd be like look we plan this out or you and Zach and me and Cameron to be in the final four Cameron's gone. We need somebody else right now and I need somebody of Cameron's calendar caliber the only person left. Hey I'm allowed to to speak to the only person who's left in the game who rivals Cameron's caliber is Erica. That is it long story point blank and the period. I felt like she would behoove herself. L. To simply be more honest with Dustin say look I hear what you're saying I know you want Erica out but I need Erica in at least one more round. Let's at least target somebody like hunter. It is the perfect person for them to target and also have issues with Dustin Targeting Eric in the first place because doesn't remember Dustin is safe this round on. Cj Dustin doesn't have to work you can't even be picked her battle match. I feel like the one person you want to get out on the round where you're safe is the person WHO's most likely to pick you. And that is hunter. Remember in real time. It was like not like a couple of hours ago. That hunter in Dustin were fighting in the round where nobody would talk to him and dusted in hundred was really put out with us. I and I feel like if dust is going to be fixed for battle. It's probably going to be someone like concert. who had it up to here with him and just wants to town flesh so I felt like it was like he's all Dawson's talking like well it's a good idea for Erica? To be voted off. Because I know she's GonNa Pick Jaylo. Does that help you. Dustin that doesn't do anything reused specifically because you can't it'd be fixed rebuttal. This round considering essentially as scared as hunter is to go into a battle because the two people this episode. Who are like Doc? I'm terrified are Dustin and hunter and I feel like part of it is the fact that Dustin very shortsighted in the fact that he hasn't really really talked about his endgame and aside from not like for some that was relatively recent and now one members out but also just. He's not great at you know in the moment I going with something as we saw early on with you know did you fuck me. And he's just like like a little bit like how either shines or he flops. And this was a flat yes he does. That's exactly how have I waited Dustin injury so I I will take. I'll take two issues I think with with what you're saying I is I disagree about what Tori should have done. I think that saying I need Erica. In the final four is way too revealing about what she intends to do and why she needs Erica. Especially Zack is in the room. Right there and Zach Minus Erica Zach is her best hope for maybe I misspoke. I didn't say that she should. She needs Eric. The final four. I says she needs Erica. In for one one more round that they planned the final four as Erica. I'm sorry Cameron and Tori and Dustin and Zach and Cameron's now out so for one round. I need Erica. To remain in the game me personally and then after that we can get rid of the reason though she doesn't need to get into that. That's super sketchy. The person I've been trying to get out for a long time. I need her in the game now. I can't tell you why I obviously don't say it like that. If you're pushing you obviously have to reveal something but I feel like I have done I think focusing on Erica too much reveals that you have some kind of deal with Eric. I think you need to put your focus. Focus on the person you want out more and I think that hurt. I agree with that. Her way of going about things was not Erica Mike. It wasn't in favor of getting out somebody else. Cj It was all about like well. I don't really think it should be eric or I don't really want Eric or I. Don't WanNa Battle Eric or afraid. The Battle Eric It. It was just not Erica. Doesn't work you have to be for somebody to get out Tori and I feel like that would have served better. Yes I think. Part of part the issue in that though was it had she say not ha- had she been more willing you say named to vote versus anybody. Erica I think it would embedded embedded smart for her to bring up that. Hey I want Erica to stay around like you were saying name as well as driving to bring Erica along. Just because even even though Taryn as he brought up with a why would she say like she wants Eric Final four that would be too revealing. I don't necessarily think that would be the case. Just because the guy is no that for cameron they can see Erica if she was able to. You know where to correctly what she's done relatively well. Oh kind of explaining things in a way that okay. I'll bite that she could make. It seem like yeah I just need I just wanted to like drag Eric on whatever and maybe sell it to one of them as is A. Yeah so Eric Can Blake B. The one that we drag or something. I don't know necessarily how she would sell that. But I think that there is a route to go at that and the case I agree I think I think that if if she were to go in that direction I think the case to make is okay. Well how about about this. How about instead of rolling the dice on Erica? Every week we take her to the final four with us we know none of us are going to pick her because if she makes it to the end she she'll win and so she's an easy person to just drag to the final four and let go at that point and there's nothing can save you at the final four. You heard. Zack say that zillow. s only good for one week. So there's nothing there's no battle match the final four. There's no way to say clearly in their heads completely in their hands. That's all they have to do as planner. She's gone right. I mean that could work but I also think like in the limited amount of time I think that's a big plan to pitch in short in a short amount of time so I don't know what kind of success it might have seen their and then with with Dustin I actually I disagree that Erica was the wrong choice here. In fact I think Erica is probably the person most likely to pick dustin in a battle match. She wanted to pick him this time around and couldn't and she tells tells jess on her way out. Make sure you get Dustin out I feel Felix. She wanted to pick him just because he got the safety. Am I reading that wrong. Cj Safety at that point and so he had to be worried about her in the next round because she was the person most vocal about going after him. But I didn't feel that was revealed until after he'd already decided I'm going after so like the chicken and the egg which came first. You know what I mean I mean maybe but he had been after her before. I just feel like she's the most likely person to pick him. I think hunter probably the second most likely but I think hunter is more likely to pick somebody else who he thinks he has a better entertains of beating. Maybe Jess then then Erica would have them all right. So how they have that discussion. It's it's Dustin talking to Zach and Tori. He really wants Erica to go. It did seem like Zach was more on Tories side in this conversation. In fact the first confessional is him saying that Zach was kind of like that Dustin was kind of just forcing in his point onto them and I just immediately felt like this is not Zack's these are not as acts words. And then we got a confessional from Tory saying Zach was just forcing his ideas on us and I was like. That's where it came from. So I feel like Zach is still pretty firmly with Tori and this is Tori's best chance I think of getting into the. It's almost exactly what I said last week. which is well? I guess if Cameron's gone my final twos with Tori again. That's just seems to be playing here. Yeah we've we've certainly dogged Zach a lot on this show Cj or what's your take on him because he's a very nice guy in real life but he really makes not first insulating television here honestly the confessional. that he got about what he was going to do in the final four really was probably the most that I have enjoyed sack in a confessional this entire season mainly mainly because obviously it was parodied from. What's resets that's why but nevertheless I enjoyed it? I'm curious on your take on Zach. Are we being too hard on. Oh no this isn't a hot. I take is just like I feel like he doesn't. He's not self aware to understand like Oh people were targeting hitting me and trying to flush my L. A. West because they don't think I'm a threat like he's not picking up on that and in terms of entertainment value his confessionals channels are not necessarily up to par with say Tori Cameron Eric. At like he's not ringing and even even say Hunter Wall Hunter is polarizing into the you know he's like Zach is very. This is what I'm GONNA do. I think Tori's final two now now cool and it's very I don't know it doesn't feel like he has a fire inside of him. That's like I want to win this game. It's just kinda like this is cool. I am here another yeah. It's sort of weird because like you definitely have to go out of your way for any reality show but I feel like sequester more than anything is the show. You really have to go out of your way to find edition for it and say yes. I've watched season two. I know what I'm doing I want to do this show. I'm just wondering how that ended up on the show I really I need. I know I keep saying I need audrey. You know what after the show Audrey call me. Call me and tell me how Zach ended up on your frigging show. I want to know that my own edification sure. That's on the top of her. I want to do that for tonight. Yeah I I did. I feel like I got to know Zack. More in this episode than in previous episodes and I think I'm starting to get a better sense as to who he's doing so well as of right now in the game and it's just a really chill dude like he seems like he's really easy to get along with. Nobody's mad at Zach except for Cameron that one time and that was like she shouldn't have been like nobody gets mad. Mata's act everybody. Seems to like Zach. And he's got a lot of outward loyalty but I do think there is a small bit of self interest is there as well for instance in the final four if he is with Tori and it's a two V two kind of situation I could see him as the kind of person that's like well if it's me or Tori I'm GonNa Choose me. I don't think he's loyal to that much of a fault. I think that he's been willing to sort of shift allegiance when necessary necessary. Even though he wants to be loyal he generally loyal guy. He's still has that little bit of self interest and a lot of ability and so he doesn't have a ton of respect in the game but it's not nothing to be that like that that well liked in the game and I do feel like it's a non zero chance that he ends ends up winning. I reject that there's no scenario where Zach is the winner of the season. I've heard too many people in their confessionals. Talk about like. Hey Dude. I didn't even know you were there. Hey Dude I didn't even know you had a heartbeat in game. Hey Dude sometimes I even forget that you're playing like so. Many people have said that I would absolutely be stunned. If five of them were a bill to go up there and vote for him to win the game just picture Zach and hunter and hunter is sitting there. I played you all. I'm the best you don't understand. I had it all under control. Hurricane Hunter had it and all in the bag you all suck Zack's just like look. I tried the best. I could pivoted when I needed to pivot. I did what I had to do. I've seen these juries be pretty bitter before I talked about this in my. I ranked the contestants contestants from like jury threat like number one jury threat number seven seven people remain in the game and I had Zach at the bottom and explained why like I think. Even Jalen bootzack doc at this point I just don't again. I just don't feel like that enough. People are willing to vote to be winner of sequester to have him represent their season. No ma'am no. I do think though yeah. I agree certain people full respect players who are jurors who are willing to respect a strong competitive game that might not have any social game. You A. J.. who was very much liked in our jury but obviously he didn't win? Had he won he would have had a strong case just because he won competitions even though he didn't really have any social capital C.. I reject that and let's talk about this. I talked about this a little bit. The question threat. I know that people always say that about Jake. Realize we're talking about season. Two but just indulge me for like ten seconds here okay. We'll say that Jake didn't have any social capital in season too but but after the final nine he wasn't actually voted for at the final eight at the final seven at the final six. He was not voted for for you guys until the final five when enough of you join together to vote him out. Jake was not voted for. He was voted by the wheel of misfortune at the final eight and then a final seven. He wasn't voted out and the final six hundred up so people saying thirty two ranks three rounds. He never got. I mean you can't count the fucking wheel. I'm not I'm not GonNa Count The wheel as an indictment of social game like three rounds. Final eight final L.. Seventy six where. He was not voted. Or by the people in your game of sequester so I reject the fact that he didn't have enough of a social game to thrive on his own. Just very weekly I will also say people got bored like we unlike me. You know what we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA maybe give this this kid break and I'm thinking probably not that entertaining that we're voting the same kid out at relief so switch it up whatever and it was less of all. Let's get the biggest threats and more of just. Let's let's give Jacob breaks like whatever I still wanted him out but everybody else was just like whatever and I'm like okay and even even Jason Jason Production. I I love Jake. But if you didn't go on running battles you would be the season to look. They gave up warnings about. Hey Jake Buddy. You're on camera lights. Why you might need to get in there a little bit? Okay and I like not getting votes is not the same thing as having social capital in the game well they. I feel like you had enough social capital that they avoided voting for him for three rounds. which but there's a difference between social difference between not getting voted out for four straight instead of two round straight or whatever and Hamza Jesse like needing to go after each other regardless of? Who else was there? Yeah that's fair. Yeah so he was like the world's best social game. I'm just saying he had a little bit. You had a little bit all right. I reject that. He's not because what I'm saying exactly. It's a better social game. Oh God solely Social Zach Zach one of the best social games in the house see. I reject checked that too because I feel like people aren't going because they don't fear him like the reason they're not flashy socks over here he is a player who is very physically intimidating and has has an L. O. S.. They should fear him to a degree but they don't because of his social game. I don't agree with that. I feel like you so boring. They realize like. Why am I going to get rid of this guy? I can beat him at the end. Why would i? Why in the world would I wear a vote on Zach? There are plenty of boring people that play these games and lots of them get voted Out All over the place it takes a certain level of the right the right formula and I do think that Zach has that. It's his his affability. It's his willingness to be part of a group and be loyal to two other people whereas there are plenty of other people who are equally boring or equally Guoli less threatening but still causing enough waves or get themselves in trouble to a point where they get sent home all right so this is a moot point unless Zach wins the game. So let's table this for now. If you a game and a couple of weeks we can come back to this if not. I don't talk about it ever again. All right well. That was what was going on there. Then you have hunt hunter and Erica. Hunter still pretending to be on Eric. Aside aside but in reality he wants her gone but he doesn't even have a vote so it doesn't really matter much you see that just seems to be the target for for Erica and Tori to a degree that maybe they can get votes on Jess. Maybe she's the alternative but that doesn't really go anywhere just is going to have have some conversations in bed with a few people and there's a funny moment where she's talking about there breath and that would really just make this whole situation can even worse so I feel for you jess. Yeah I feel like if you got the sloth punishment you'd be in the bed and like your version of spooning joining would-be like like face each other in like touching feet or something like you like the bare minimum. I do like the like. Hey what's up poses. But then I would not get any closer. We'd be all girl especially the breath smell. I got a kick out out of her and Dustin in bed together because you know Dustin didn't have to eat the gross we've made everybody else either. So him and him injustice just looking right at each other in this bed head you know. He's smelling that and it's like I gotTa reap what I so really i. I think that this this episode more than any other episode for me is when the Eric of it all really caught up with the show and there was really. I felt like there wasn't even an alternative plot. happening that was that was feasible in any way and and as opposed to the previous episode the date night that I really enjoyed where we saw a lot of character development individual conversations. I can follow the thread. This felt a lot more like this is what we all just discussed in detail last time. So let's just do this again and then hope it works this time. I don't know if there's a lot else that was happening here. Strategically Egypt apart from. There was one conversation between Hunter Zach where hunter is trying to make some inroads with the guys and exact in particular and it did feel like he he may be made a little bit of progress here. Cj to to an extent yes. But I also think that Zach is just kind of. It's not hard to necessarily convinced that anything aside from giving up his L.. Oh yeah that's the thing. Yeah you can't give him to give up his L. O. S. C. J.. But I feel like it's not like the world's greatest speech to convince ACA something like I said on twitter that I felt like like like Hunter I was L. O. L. Ian Hunter saying all I have in this game is my word. All I've got is my word. which is exactly how he says it? And then he goes to Zack and says this. And I'm like I can't believe anybody's dumb enough to believe then again. He's talking to Zach so maybe it actually worked here. I I don't understand what version of reality hunter is looking at here where he thinks that he's going to be targeted because there aren't enough guys laugh and so they're going to vote him out as is a really misogynistic way of looking at the game. Not I felt like that was really shitty at him to say like like all the women are just GonNa turn the hunter and vote him out because I guess he would be the biggest threat because he's the dude and he's the only one left like that made no sense to me whatsoever. Hunter you can take that and shove it. Yeah I mean you don't okay. I got a kick out of the fact that he was. I forgot stocking Zakar Dustin but he had said like guys have big Egos if you boost it up. They'll feel litter and I was like hunter. You literally have probably the biggest ego win. This game is the self awareness not Li lack atoms. self-awareness from half of the CAST is astounded. It really is astounding to your previous point. Terron about the fact that it was like like copy and paste the Spurs. The strategy goes from the previous episode and the Erica. All caught up with everything here. I feel like that's the cast fall and this is what I said previously honestly where I agree invited people to come down and play sequester. You know that this is a show in its infancy. I feel like it's coming up on the contestants within the game to alter the course of events here so that it's not a fucking boring show because right now it's a boring show and I feel like if they would just take it upon themselves to realize you know what this isn't exactly the best television. Just keep voting the same girl week after week. Then maybe it would be a little bit more interesting to watch but right now it's fucking boring and that's just so it feels CJ. And I know. I mean south you a little bit. I'll find your mostly with me on that fronts. I would agree yes it is not. That's the problem though is like so many big personality. 'cause you need some people who are going to play for the sake more so for entertaining again. Played a win. Look they're not in the game. They are not playing for one million dollars. For God's sake it's on Youtube and the prize at the end is twenty five hundred hundred fucking dollars seriously can get your head out of your ass for one second and think about something beyond yourself and try to play the game and the purpose of while you're there and help who wrote the show drew understood you keep saying that it's all about winning. Winning is the only thing that matters. No you use you said that second place gets nothing. It's all about the win. That's what you keep saying. I if that gets to the end and wins I'm like I don't even know what to me. The season didn't even happen. Like there's no way that cannot happen so I I'm just like I'm trying to instill in the people who come after this season. Okay you look at season to look at season three okay. You saw. How seasons who played they were bunkers? They were amazing. They gave us like week after week after week. They gave us something interesting to watch literally season three copy and paste like interesting happening on this show. Let's just vote out Eric again and hope the audience buys at this time. Spoiler alert were not. I just like are you saying they should play to win or they should play to make good TV. I just want both you need both in the same employer or are you. Are you willing to accept that. You're probably not going to get many players who are going into it with the goal of the strategy. Other Gino. Good game play like it'll be an entertaining if you don't want to give us good TV. Don't try opera season for. Do not do it like seriously I will. I will rail you up down and sideways if you come on and give us a boring show and the people who are giving us a boring show right now are Jessica. J. La Hunter Zach. I'm sorry of very boring show right now. When you're just doing one other people tell you to do? I just don't like it. I'm sorry the problem is though and I feel like I feel like you're forgetting they're all gone bully. You had Kevin. You had a j West kind of ruined not like I feel like if that chaos destructive energy stayed around longer there would've been more of those entertainers there to be like. I'm I'm here to have fun. I want to stir the pot say like a judge. Then what happened. Where they'll kind of took each other out and now we're left with a bunch of people who generally speaking do you think that we just got lucky because your season had a bunch of interesting personalities at the end at all had agendas of their own? I don't see other agendas here from these people. It's just what am I being told to do. Okay I'll guess I'll vote that way I am. I wrong unlucky in the sense by just they pick each other off and I don't think there was enough to release stir the pot because I feel like had a different group of people ben here in a the within the cast this round. Yes the round would have probably been a lot more effective than it was but because this is kind of what we're left act where it is what it is. I feel like that we got unlucky. Tube in that this cast kept picking people for battles in the early rounds in the pre jury who were interesting in good TV. I mean so many people who got picked for a battle were good. TV and you know that when you pick them for battle in the early rounds one of them is going to go home and like I feel like that if you go on season four and you have a chance to pick somebody boring people. The people that are wallpaper that would be so much better or us. If we get to eliminate a lot of people and keep all the crazies or the end of the like the last three podcasts. We've done you've said in fact I don't play for good. TV It never works. It's always backwards. I there's A. There's a definite balance where you're trying to play forget. TV like jalen since very fine line. Those go okay owning my hypocrisy. These people are boring and I don't mind saying that Teaching at my wrong or are they. Are they not giving us a morning show right now. At least tell me that go. I guess what I said. Okay I think some players are very entertaining and I think holding out good and some of them are Dutt's let's but that's the show that's the card that we were dealt because she didn't lay like a jug because John Season to literally said I WANNA get the boring people outlets throw up the warring people when battle match takes happening jury. And so he's all for this this and I think that let didn't really translate here and people were like no I just Wanna I just I just don't get out. And so because of that. Because that was their mindset was like oh I want to actually play you know. Give good gameplay which is something that you said that you wanted they gave you some some of that and now we're left with scraps and as I mentioned this in the previous round but I think I think that the sameness that we've seen in the last few episodes is a lot more down to the fact that Erica wouldn't get eliminated than it is the cast that we're watching watching the only reason this didn't happen last time as we talked about. Is that Jesse and Hamza did something that we both agreed was a huge mistake. which is is neglecting the status quo and targeting each other too early and so these players are not making that kind of mistake? They are continuing the status quo which is keeping them safe for the most part and and unfortunately we were just in a situation where somebody that was eliminated three rounds ago. It was still here here and so they had to keep doing the same thing in order to finally get the result that they had decided three rounds ago. Now I think we'll start to see the game completely. Different completely lately changed because we haven't seen a jury phase of the game without them needing to take out Erica before having before getting to do anything else and so I I think honestly that was the biggest hurdle that they had to jump in this season. We'll talk about that then because I feel like this this is like a big ask obviously. Is the battle match aspect hurting the jury phase of the show like is it. Would it have been better for Erica. To just go on her away after being voted out whenever the hell she was. And just say see you later because I feel like that the battlements aspect of the show leads more to people like hunter plane a very passive scared game. Rather if it wasn't there then I feel like they would play harder You know they have something somewhat similar in the genius where you can technically keep surviving if you can if you can you know win and death matches I. It's been a while now but but I think it works. It works a lot there because you don't it doesn't it's not always always felt like the game matters more than the vote so it's not always the same person that's GONNA lose. It's like the game influences. Who goes there and so you don't see them trying to vote one person Out over and over only to see you get foiled over and over and so I don't know maybe there are better twists for this post jury Torri phase that interfere even more with how the voting works to really shake things up or maybe we just got unlucky with some of how it works like maybe if maybe if Erica had gotten the greed thing this round than we would have seen something interesting happened. Maybe if we're lucky in season three right so I don't know maybe maybe they're maybe there needs to be more involved or maybe we just got unlucky in general and scandal discounted happens sometimes on these shows and you know what just everybody who listens to me you guys know. I'm this way on big brother. I'm this way on other shows that I watch. It's not like you're getting a the different run. Just because I happen to be a little bit closer to the cast and actually like talk to them an interview them like this is the way I am. I am whenever things get boring on any show. Big Brother nineteen the entire time watching all the end and people just taking it on the Chin so this is what happens when things get boring. I get angry well also when the outcome is not what you desire to. Yes that's a big part of this as well. I think something the the people in the comments had brought out was that Erica wasn't really coming back in and willing like super willing to say name. When she was winning her battle mashes? She wasn't coming back in and switching up her game play. She was going right back to hunter and while she tried to kind of build bridges with camera she wasn't really trying to work with the stragglers which was who she needed to build those bonds with and because she didn't that didn't help her case whatsoever. I don't no if she could've done anything but her coming back into the house then being like I'm fighting myself I'm fighting for myself and I'm the only one going out there and doing this and I came back because I'm strong and I went physical and and I wind mental. And I do all this. Eric I love you but like calling out like Jalen Hunt Jessica Dustin like when you come back in. It just wasn't a good look like I feel like I mean what. What are you accomplishing by doing that? You wanted to call somebody else do it beforehand before the battle match. If you're if you're going to call somebody out that way when you have back when you come back and say look I was upset. I was just. It was a little into myself I was I was feeling attacked. Now I'm good and I can. I can make peace with everybody but when you come back into the game which we criticize Jalen for the same thing last week when she came back into the game basically said Fuck you all. When she came back in wasn't good either so Erica like not the greatest game? Play this round but you know. Yeah so she got horns waddled by hunter. But it's I mean it's certainly an uphill battle but right when you know round after round. You're getting voted in. I feel like you need to start trying different things and I felt like she came back in every time. Trying the same thing She should like even even like I felt like this round of the previous round. She was still doing. The you know from the debate like her arguments about why she shouldn't have been in this spot in the first place and like that's not going to impact anyone 'cause they've already heard that a bunch of times and they decided they don't care you need to shake get up. You need to start. I mean think about if somebody somebody like Brayden was in this bar right where he was constantly thinking about new ways that he could maybe like like call out a target. Say this is my target now and now they have to be terrified. That if you get voted out there you're going to go in. Maybe they start to freak out and get paranoid starts approach people that you had an approach before in a different way all sorts of different throat lies do anything but it just felt like it was the same same game plan hundred percent. Yeah I am Eli look this is we're talking about the seven deadly sins. Twist and obviously Eric is not without sin here. I feel like she played a really poor game as she felt more and more attacked her gameplay got more and more four tunnel vision where she really couldn't look outside herself and see the opportunities that lay in front of her or his or change every game in a way that would alter the outcome of the vote. It just wasn't fair but I still stand. Well I mean she perfectly fits what you enjoy. Ah especially the being this sort of. I mean she's the Rachel Riley one hundred. She is so ultimately here. It is the Eric voted out once again from I believe everyone except for obviously who didn't Tori didn't know Tori voted for Jessica Zach voted for Jalen and Jessica. So Jessica actually got two votes. Erica actually went with Tory. Yeah he went with Tori and so it was actually a three to two vote. Or Erica over Jessica and Erica did not vote for Jessica. She voted for Zack. Here so if browsing I really goes to show that she should've been I will say I will say this if it had gone to a tie. Obviously if Erica had not voted for Zach and voted for Jessica instead which is what she bought Tori was doing so I mean I think what happened was she thought everybody was running for Jessica and she didn't want to be. She wanted to be safe for one round but she forgot got. They needed her vote. So is she would've voted for Jessica here than it would have been a three three tie. I haven't gotten confirmation from Audrey that Zach would've been still like the twist is still in play away hunters doesn't have a vote. Anzac would have been forced to split his votes since he didn't vote for the first time around. You would have been forced to split his votes between Erica an Jessica and he did vote for Jessica. The first time around so Erica would have gotten one more vote than she originally had assuming Dustin Jaylo stay strong with one Eric Out which you have to believe that they would have. Erica would have gone home here in a four to three vote. So that's how I perceive things would have went out if she would have correctly. Voted for Jessica. Because I don't think the outcome would have been any different but it would've made us feel better. Yeah and I mean there's certainly a chance like you can if you can bluff it and they don't realize allies Zack. Has Just we realize where's act. Vote is if they're thinking. I don't even know who voted to devote our Jessica and they're worried about a tie going to a wheel where there's only like a couple of options on the wheel. They could very easily end up flipping their votes. So yeah. Wow Yeah Yep Erica. What were you doing there? Actually I do know that she did an interview on my weekly meltdown about an hour ago. Of course it takes like an hour before the show when I'm getting ready I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I'm hoping they asked her Y. You voted for Zach there instead of Jessica which you thought everybody else was doing so that would have been great. No they literally. There was a conversation and it was between Torii Hunter and Erica. And Erica just looks at Taurean. It's like okay so just throw your vote look just through your vote okay and it was like towards the end of the round and has like why would you not vote together and then I missed some things. I'm guessing I didn't since this before the votes after she had no. Oh I dea that they were really targeting her. Nobody was honest enough with Eric at the say. Look some people are still wanting you out here. We need your vote this round otherwise. This isn't gonNA work. I agree with you Taryn. You don't know what happens within a tie scenario where the wheel of misfortune comes in. And they don't I don't I can't remember the way the rules work but I don't usually just go to the vote unless somebody has something that they want to say. I I think that's how it works like Audrey gives anybody who wants to say anything a chance. Zany thing before the vote and then they re like nobody wants to say anything then they just go to the revolt so I don't know if something happened or not but it certainly would have been better than getting voted out here. Well that I I went It's Audrey I went to the comments to see the votes in the said that they would be refreshed in an an hour and then after an hour. Refreshing still isn't there. I couldn't find the vote really talking. Maybe it took longer because I I looked at like I think the the show one eight o'clock and I got home at ten thirty and they were there so I mean maybe I was wondering if I was doing something wrong like is it in that that same comment because the same thing happened to me last week and last week I watched it a day later in the vote still. Weren't there So I felt like I was doing something wrong. Maybe it just wasn't finding the comment. I Dunno tracy stay. They know they didn't burn but I don't know if she's talking about the vote or what people are saying you're right which is usually correct so all right so so so Erica. Erica gets the the majority of the votes here and now she has to choose who she's going to battle match and so she's choosing between and Jess Hunter who has to stand up and then we have dustin stood up but he was safe right. She couldn't choose Dustin Jalen Jesse to right so the jail was the other option. She decided to not go with Jalen. She says that the Jess Jess needs to prove herself which I ate that reason. I have just saying you want the easy pickings ago. Thank you thank you Erica. God I love you but that is like the worst reality television. I cannot stand Ed when people say that jail was the one who started saying that this season I think other people. Let's set in the past. Don't fricken Saito on reality television. Nobody needs to prove themselves to be there. Anybody who gets to the end and has five people vote. Oranim is going to be the winner of this season. Like just say you want the easy win. You thought that you use. Let's let's be real. You thought the Jessica was a paper Tiger Okay and and you thought you could beat her paper puppy. Well that's who turns out not the case. So Jessica is chosen and Jessica. It takes takes a champ like let. Let's just do this and do this They're dressed up in. I don't know what you'd call these things like news boomer mood. Yeah These big big outfits that are like like bloom balloon shapes and I actually now. How did I didn't realize this until later but this was apparently a controversial battle match I loved it? I loved this battle match. I thought it was a great idea. Great Concept I love the Crista hosted it was perfectly amazing race and I loved it at tested things that we don't normally see tested. It was very much like a different sort of the thing than the Samy sort of stuff that we generally get in competitions So I really. I really enjoyed this battle match. I thought it was a great addition into the roster here. The basically Krista is going to outline a series of dance moves and it's sort of like Simon says but with dance and so so you need to repeat the dance moves and it will continue to build and build on top of things and it stressed me out just watching it like. Oh my God trying to remember this This stuff as they went. Cj You're nodding your head a lot of you agree with me here. You can see it in their faces as they're going over it while Chris does like doing the tutorial and they just you can just see the confusion of the gear trying to work. And they're like am I. Is it good. And so so it was great watching their expressions as they did that. Yes a Brent. I think I think I saw that. You had a different opinion. This battle Mash rush this battle months. fucking terrible I look. Here's the thing when you introduce the idea of music and timing into something. then it becomes mm subjective not objective and to watch somebody who has literally thought her entire way to survive in this game get to the final seven into the final so this is a balanced for the final six. There's two episodes to go. I WANNA know that. She lost the battle match fair and square. I do not want any amount of subjectivity. The was that that she did something wrong there that she not Shaker shed enough like the scooter buttering up around like when that happens. Here's the thing when I watched the show the first time. I didn't notice that Eric had made a mistake. And so I thought she was swine until the little thing lit up underneath. I need and said Oh no she made a mistake. And then they do the rewind and show us oh she actually did make a mistake and then it was just like you're out you're Out Made Two mistakes to start. That's fine thing is the thing is you. You keep saying like all. It's it's subjective. It's not objective anymore more. Because it's this opinion. Did she do it. The one even if you're ignoring the foot thing because they feel thing would be the more questionable error that she made of the two which was right footstep. When they're doing that part and Chris Hitching up? She says snake and as she does she. Does that snake gesture Chris moving like a snake. And you see in our rehearsal. Erica's snake. And then you see them get to America just starts and there's a significant difference role in your body will call. No that's interesting if you're okay so you're telling me that me doing this. This can be interpreted as we doing. This is nick where says a full like body wave that by my issues with the challenge overall are larger than what we're talking about here. Okay this is my issue alright. This is the final seven into the final six six. If you want to try something different try to fuck and final like the first round of the second round or the third round trade early on when we are not like wedded to these contestants in away where we're bummed when they go out if Erica has lost the be challenge Jalen beat Thomas on I would have been like what that sucks but that them's the breaks this one. I couldn't even tell that. She lost until it was pointed out to me. By the show in a rewind and then it was just like oh you're done and the way it came off was just like Haha you you missed your foot. You're out which didn't really appreciate it and I know that that's not what crystal wanted. Look like but that's the way it was edited and so that's the way I felt. I felt heated at the end of the show agree with that catcher. Let me finish the other thing I didn't like about this was that it was like a mockery of a challenge. Like there was like like like weird music and it was like this. Isn't your Mama's Zimba mix tape and it was like Krista coming five six seven eight which when you have have the fan favorite in Erica fighting for her life in a battle the last thing that you want the audience to feel is out of time and I feel like I was taken and out of the moment by the nature of the challenge in a way where I wanted intensity I wanted passion. I wanted a sense of like what's going to happen but I just felt like the whole thing was a joke and I didn't really like it so I'm sorry C. J. F. K.. This challenge but I didn't send. Yeah Yeah. Sorry it's new for me. I've not the biggest fan of this challenge. I'm not saying that it's bad. I'm not saying that it's great. I don't think it's one of the Bachelor uh-huh Benxi fencer ten now because there's a one-stop fall in the middle like let's be real here. There's some challenges that just don't at work and there are some that are accepts very true very true. And there's a clump in the middle and I would come this in the middle. You're also you're calling out this issue. You call up a subjective Jack. I already rebuttal. That next would be the fact. Oh it's the fan favourite. This is how she should have gone so i. I don't know what you're asking here from an permit editing perspective. Like you know the way this show works. You have to know if I here's the thing so appears on calling audrey and I don't mean to come for Andre so audrey and you know I love you but I am calling the editing of the show here because I feel like you know the way. This edited from week to week. Eric is the fan fever. Do you know how people are feeling but this show is just last week. I feel like the theme and the the little cartoon montages over everything just totally totally wrong for this time at the final seven with a shot to get into the final six. I felt like there was a way for like intense music and like a heartbeat. Heartbeat sound to build drama into the show. which is what it should be at this point but instead that's not what a guy and I just like the whole thing just if it flat for me? That's how well I I disagree a pretty pretty. I think that this yeah. This is actually the most tense battle match that I think I've watched In a while on this season I was I was. It's like. Oh my God I like watching them do the the moves. It was like I was watching for a mistake and it was very tense for me and I think that it. I don't know asking for like a more serious tone like you need your hand to be held on a fun little reality show. Do I like the show in its infancy. I would be remiss if I didn't mention this like these things that happened in season. Two the things that happened in the early seasons of a reality show define it later on I for me not to say anything right here I feel like it would. I would not be able to live with myself if I wasn't wasn't as honest as I'm trying to be right now. Sure I just. I think that you felt this way about Eric. But like just because you feel this way about air going to have to be popular. Opinion doesn't mean that somebody who felt the same way about Cameron or or Thomas or somebody else doesn't have an equally valid opinion. And should they be catered to as as well like I feel like Audrey knows that there has been a contestant like this in every season of sequester from the girl in Jamie Lee in season. One and Jake and seasons to Eric and season three. You know that the fans identify with them. All the comments at the bottom of the episode are all about Erica. Erica you have to know that when you edit this episode. It's Erica Swansong. It should be handled a little bit better instead of like it was a fucking joke. I it's I definitely take umbrage with the idea that that it was like Haha or that. It was intentionally made out to be a joke. I think it was not given like special kid gloves. But I do not think that it was intentionally aimed to everybody's face. I agree with that. That was the results that was not the intent. And there's a difference. I think in general that regardless of how Audrey had handled this the fact the Eric went out. There would have been some complaint that that that would have been found with handling the way that people on big brother will always always find fault with the people who nominate them like. Oh it would have been fine if they had only done this or not done this. I feel like this is a little bit of what's happening. Okay okay all right. So that's that's what we have here on the dental. Of course all of this adds up up to the fact that Erica is going to lose. This battle. Match Jess is going to win. Erica is of course upset about at the outcome I do like. I don't know if this was a direct response to some of the feedback that we gave earlier. But I do feel like we lingered on this a little bit longer which I liked this. This was again and emotional moment for Erica and so we linger on Erica talking to Jess and then we even get a bit of Jess on her way walking back back to the house I really I really enjoyed that part of it so No for real. I had this list of things to talk about as well I. It came to the show in terms of its editing of the challenge. But this was a really great call to let us means to be honest grievous a little bit like I'm sorry. This high watch my reality the show more hands off terrain but this is how I watch my reality. TV and care about the people who are characters to me on the reality show and yeah some people are just like fuck them hate them. I can't stand them but like there's no like if you know me. There's no animosity that I've seen some comments. That people like Ugh. I don't like the fact that Brennan says has he hates this contestant. I don't like the fact that he called this person stupid. That's just how I roll. It is you're GonNa Watch me on. HP You've got to be cool with that. I ain't changing in for nobody and I've been at this for five years. So that's how it is their characters. You don't know that you anyway. I don't know them and so So we get Erica saying get Dustin get him EH. Just says I will digest again. I think this was. This was some good jury management from from gest. Obviously this is a great opportunity that a lot of people don't have in a typical sort of reality show where we're basically you're competing meeting with the person about to go to the jury and you get some some extra moments with them after the private moments where they are at their lowest. Where if you handle handle it correctly it can really make a good impact on them before they head to the jury so I just did a pretty good job here now? Obviously asleep she ends up like aligning with Dustin and going to the final two with him. That probably won't play well with Erica. But as long as that's not her plan I feel like this. This was probably pretty solid. I like we're running like CJ. I'm running out of people to root for here. That's kind of where I not. So I'm like I'm I'm standing for Jessica but it's sort of out of default at this point Kim Martinez was trying to convince me that Jessica is a good game. I think she's playing a good game name but it's a really quiet boring game at this point so I hope there's more to it as we go to the end here I mean. Are you not rooting for Tory. Because of use a clear front runner. Obviously I'm rooting for story. But I feel like drawing dead at this point now that Eric has out of the game I mean I really. Are you trying to see a way for her to not have to battle match your way to the end. And even she's asked. Can we talk about this really quickly before we go so therese plan was to keep Erica in so that she would would have somebody to align with the final four. I'm actually of the opinion that she doesn't really need and Erica there. She just needs somebody who cares about their own like within the game or hunter like if she if Tory isn't final four with hunter. CJ and she turns two hundred and says look you better vote with me and vote Dustin out of the game here. If you don't I am dragging you to the end with the jury point blank and the period. You just need to know that right now if you don't vote with me here and create its high at the minimum then. I'm dragging you like. That's what she needs to do. Which obviously leads me into having with you and your season but like I I feel like Tori doesn't need it? Erica here she just needs to get to the final four and then threaten somebody with dragging them to the end and actually do it if she gets the perk that she has all. These people are scared like you have. Dust did who's terrified of everything you have hunter who's shaking in his boots dimension of any sort of danger so that works for her so she's got two people still in the game right now that are scaled and she could spook story can be intimidating when she wants to be intimidating galleon fun but she can be scary. That's obviously rooting for Tory. Like I think anybody who's ready for Erica's now ruining for Tori to get to the end and win that that would be obviously a very storybook ending for the show. If she's actually able to do that I'm just really nervous about her chances now that because basically everything that Tori wanted to have happened is only into pieces and she's by herself now so I'm like if she doesn't get votes in this next round I'll be shocked and she looks like she's probably going to have to win a double battle masters in order to try to get to be an survive a really challenging final four vote. I'm honestly curious to see how the final four will work without. Cj they're like because this should be a stalemate baby gentlemen like somebody needs to do what you did in order to end the stalemate. And I don't know how that happens. I just came for everybody on twitter. I study these people are stupid. Whatever but that was the most amount of shade I ever heard on a podcast? I listen right I. I wasn't allied with any of them. So in mind defense there was no to to going into is creates to to natural so they have the listen. I just had to defend the little drag chewed was going to be nice. I Ah Gen- genuinely just like I'm very curious to see how it shakes out because as for as much as we went after you. I don't see how it resolves unless somebody finally gives in does what you did so surely somebody is going to do that and pay for it otherwise what happens. I'm curious. I can't wait to see what happens myself so I'm go ahead. Sorry so many lines I ns that have been drawn and undrawn between the people who are left that I think is going to make a much more interesting roundtable question. What about the wheel so at the final four? You know the weight sequester works is if it's a tie then they have a revote and obviously if it's a tie again and go to the wheel misfortune but but the people who originally voted for our immune in that situation. So let's say we have a final four of Dustin Zach and Torian Hunter and Tori looks one hundred says look bitch. If you don't go with me here I'm pulling your ass to the jury so with me here. Hunter shaking in his boots as he always is. Because he's the long tail cat in a roomful rocking chairs. So he says okay although story so he looks at us. She says we're GONNA vote for Dustin they look at Dustin both for him doesn't exactly at Torrey both for her. They repeat the same result happens. It's the tie. It goes to the wheel of misfortune so in the fortune round are the people who originally voted for are they immune and the only people who are on the wheel are the original. People who caused is the time in the first place. Okay well okay. That's what I wanted to know. So in that case there's only two people on the wheel at that point and you have a fifty fifty chance of going home unless switch your vote. Well okay all right okay. Then what you what you want to have happen. Is You want to be the person then you want to be the aggressor right. You WanNa be the one that says if you if you don't vote with me then I'm dragging you but I guess then once the wheel happens happens then it comes down to relationships because the threats no longer functional. Yeah so so yes so having. The relationships ships is is the way to go because it should end in stalemate which should lead to a wheel which means that you've got a coin flip as to WHO's going to ended up picking which means you want to put your vote on the person you think is less likely to To pick you to go with you and so yeah. So that's a yeah I see Ethan in China. He's like you have to have a three in vote that vote out the left out one and hope they don't drag you yeah but even Like if you're that one person all you have to do is threaten one of those three people and even if you even if you know that those three people are relying are probably going to vote against you all you have to do is threaten one of them and say look if you join with the other two here and vote me out. I'm dragging you. I just want you to know that ahead of time so that you're not surprised. We need to vote together in order to give ourselves both a chance to get to the end. And if they if they care about their place on the game they'll do it otherwise they're going to get dragged out in third place which is what happened is season two I'm not shading shading. Cj I'm just trying to recount. What happened for people who didn't necessarily see it or remember it? Cj was voted out at the final four. And then she drags fan favourite jake to the jury giving us a final two of him and Cameron a different cameron. Not that one. I feel like it's very important. Consider that drag. Because I feel like if you go into the row table just like I'm GonNa vote this personnel and you're not thinking about the drag in less than that's got the pressure on then you're setting yourself up for getting screwed over essentially and you you also have to be able to read people because of we'll Blau is. That's what I'm GonNa say I stand by this Hamrin Roundtable. I will put money down. I asked him right after finale. Would you really really have dragged jake so I you you have to watch those because at the end of the day you thinking you're good and then that's not the case. So Oh yeah. It's a rescue. You one hundred percent need to be prepared at any moment to be like if you don't do what I want him dragging you whether whether it's true or not because convincing yeah because otherwise he'll be skewed screwed so all right so that's that's what we have. We've got that final four to look forward to with with that in mind obviously. I don't think Torii is drawing drawing at all I think that having Zach back there with her as potentially solid pairing of a vote then with how the wheel plays out she could easily end up making her way to the final two especially Ashley she plays it right. It's really I had no idea how. Come how complex it was because it matters who choose to put the vote on who they choose to put the vote on and if you can somehow influence that then you can really set yourself up to guarantee your spot there if you know what you're doing and you have the right people with with you so I don't think towards that at all. I'm still really enjoying jess on the show. I think that hunter has been an entertaining mess. I think the Dustin has been entertaining lately. I despite this being a slower episode for me I think I think we're really looking to pick it up in the next ex couple and I'm looking forward to CJ. I'm feeling better after this episode. CJ getting event went to you guys. It's been really good for my Solano about. I feel psyched to watch how this season ends. Obviously we have two more episodes to go and I am very very psyched about it. So by the way I did want to let everybody know that obviously next week is just on Sunday night at eight. PM like normally as but the finale is going to be on January twenty ninth Wednesday. So it's it's not that next Sunday but the Wednesday beyond that. So that's when the finale is going to air at I believe the M Eastern on Wednesday January twenty nine. I don't know when we're going to do our roundtable about the finale either that night or the or the day after I'm cool with either but we'll figure it out it sounds good lots to look forward to then of course there's lots of lots of circle coverage going on right now fun show if you haven't checked it out it's on Netflix. It's yes Just two more days and we'll get to the final four episodes in the circle. It's very easy to binge if you haven't checked it out yet so check that out and and then about a week from now. Hopefully next Tuesday is what we're looking at. We're hoping to get our twenty nine thousand nine big brother podcast and Ah So we can talk about the year in big brother what went right and what went wrong and I have a feeling. There's a lot on one end of that scale uh-huh so that'll be. That'll be good and interesting in a good way to lead into a potential a decade. PODCAST as well. You've always asked me 'cause like whenever we do these podcast with ten here in people like where's Melissa. I'm like this isn't it brother. Bitch what are you talking about. Obviously we're going to be with Melissa next Tuesday to talk about the year and big big brother and it's going to be very very fun. Yes and I'll have a survey out sometime tomorrow to fill out if you WANNA talk about your survey yes The year in big brother's check all that out you can find me on twitter at Armstrong Taryn Twitch twitch dot TV slash Terron Armstrong. I'm going to do a stream about the circle circle tomorrow where I try to run through the finale predictions in detail but where I think people are going to rank each other. So that'll be fun as well well. Cj Working People find you instagram twitter CJ Marie Cj Marie C. E. J. A. U. N. A. R. I. E. Correct same in the world. I think well your first name is has lots of flavor to it so I actually feel like that works very well. You don't want to have like you know like exotic on top of exotic or fun on top of mind like it's got to have a balance breath so it's fitting and I I WANNA say even though I at times intentionally and at times unintentionally threw shade at CJ. And I told her that started the Vodkas that she was actually my favorite on the previous season. I really really enjoyed her on the show. I hope she gets a chance to play something again because she's really fun to to watch these games so good luck to you. Shot say like I like that. Cj was actually the fan favorite of season two. And I have to actually agree with. I think citizens season two had a bounty of riches in terms of people that I felt like I was rooting for at the end so That is not necessarily the case this time. But I'm still hoping that like Tori and Jessica can actually do something and maybe get together. That would be really interesting. Chen says I'm always robbed you. You were great too. But when you're not in half the season it's hard I'm just I'm stumps thrown Jay left and right and unintentionally Brent's plug yourself. You can find me at one lucky gay. That's one spelled out O.. N. E. and I obviously do a live tweet threads of sequester every Sunday night after I get off work which has caused a lot of consternation among the cast and the people who support the production but as always keep it real and as I told them at the beginning of the year when I interviewed them before the season started. If you don't expect to get the Harir Shit from me then don't read my twitter now. I know I've got the you. That's why I love the judge all right. Thank you guys for joining US tonight. It's been a lot of fun. We will see you next week. Thanks again. Jasper this one bad. If you see bill now ooh battle to wait to see you uh

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Shout It Out Loudcast: Pyromania

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Shout It Out Loudcast: Pyromania

"Hello pilot walk up. Damn wrong podcast. Hey, this is steve from potter than help podcast. Welcome to the show. This is the shot allowed cast but before we get going I, want to ask my guy something are you feeling law when no place to go? Yeah and I'm thinking I'm gonNA scream hey bb do you recall days in the city? Yeah and I think back who what a pity and Hey Dylan do you feel tight on Saturday night? Yeah. Man Broken I am so tired well, I'm GONNA throw another log in the fireplace and listen to the shot allowed cast oh yeah. Steve Stan Burma side, and I'll be next to you. Oh, God shut the fuck up BC. Readings and style you -tations welcome to the shouted out loud cast don't turn your radio dial. You're in the right place because it's time for another bonus episode, we're calling this one Papa Pyromaniac I wanNA touch you Zeus and Saami. Jacob. Call Him Saami. This is. He's getting Tommy and sunny mixed up. Mistaking you for some other Tommy on a different podcast. Thanks I appreciate that. You guys doing. We're doing great not. Tawny. SELENA I'm Saami. Tani. Now you gonNA fuck me up. Awesome over here another great entrance there for for for music from our good friend Tony Thank you again Tony from restrained. Make sure you guys pick up his music. He's out there on social media. And we met Charles Tony. Homeless did. told me tiny. We met Tony through sunny who I think you guys go way back right? Eighty seven. Wow. Go Way back way back way. We used to work together. Well, I worked I don't know what he did. Well, yeah we thank Tony for that intro. That's a killer riff he he wrote for us. And maybe someday we'll have to come on we'll have to have tony come on Erin now talk some shit with us so but we appreciate that Tony Absolute was thinking from the last episode I don't like peas in my Joey case deals but I, do like peas my Tony What's wrong with Pisa Riddick Tony. What's once again coming from somebody? That's not Italian. Here we go. We're going to revisit the pulse Stanley Menu. Somebody bring up Joey Kasahda. Queue up that godfather music. Now. That's his thing people. That's his theme of his name gets mentioned. On this program, He's getting the Godfather treatment. So we're here for bonus episode. What are we on number five now right? Yes. Sunny forgot to say it I think he did I. Think he did I remember. I was distracted by him calling me. Saw Me. So I don't know what the hell was going on, but we're back here with a bonus episode number five in this one is pyro mania. We kind of veered away from the polarizing effects of our previous bonus episode, which was sound. Super Unknown. All we did. told me. Here we go. Here it is. Rising pyro mania is polarizing Tom Dude Pie. Pyromaniac is about as polarizing frigging chocolate cake. But once again, you throw sunny on here and he's GonNa Shit on Romania software cake. That's the funny thing about this in that is that. Like we have no idea about sunny in his opinion, a lot of these things and that's all talk. Yeah and we were talking about the kiss draft earlier before we went on like I know Tommy stuff he knows a little bit of mine where we stand on certain songs album stuff with sunny. When we said, let's do pyromaniac. So remember we're going in like kind of like a circular motion here of how to pick these albums. This one is stems back to the beginning where we picked the first one, all of us together, guns, n. roses appetite for destruction. So we want to do kind of a popular album that all three of us could be like, okay. Everybody knows this one and we decided on pyromaniac I don't want to say who the runner up was because we'll probably do it and Yes. So pyromaniac came on but before we get into pyromaniac. Let's talk a little bit about the previous episode, but also anything else going on in rock. Did anybody see the concert that was live since our last episode? With the stones and Paul McCartney and and nobody watched that one live concert there I didn't see at one thing that I did. I I missed it when it was actually on. But I, I caught like everybody else I caught some stuff on social media was. I A. mean. Sunnier huge fans of prints and they did that Prince Anniversary Tribute Concert I'm not sure if Sunny Sarnia that had a lot of different acts from Fu fighters to all different people. I love prints and I love a lot of those bands that we're doing it. So that was a cool thing to see. The Rolling Stones thing. I didn't I didn't catch that. We posted someone our social media a lot of these bands are making. Previous things that putting them on youtube of their social media, and we keep bringing up the same thing about why the hell is kissed doing anything like that. You know. Even. Paul Stanley's videos have kinda quieted down a little bit. He hasn't done one in a while if I'm correct sunny right my right about that I am in St in a new one and Yeah. A bunch of people put an old stuff out that prince thing was brutal that really a. All my God that Prince I watched every second and I'm sitting next to Nicole going why are they ruining some of my favorite print songs like we? No. Sheila e Outta turn that thing off. Yeah not all of it was great. That's for sure that's for sure and another one that I know I'm going to be on an island here with the two of you guys in probably most of our listeners Oh, fuck incubus. No. By the way that's my pick for an expert sal. Just. Can't some Murph pick wasn't it? You know but I thought I'd. Put that on the text exchange. Did but but look I'm on record as saying I know you gonNa Roll Your Eyes and laugh at me. But this just happening I'm I'm a fan of new music I'm a fan of people like post Malone Post Malone did alive. A livestream with I think it was travis. Barker from blink one, eighty, two, I'm not a hundred percent. Sure but he did alive thing of. covers. And I know that your instinct is going to be if you haven't seen it to say, oh, that sucks. It was really good. He can sing he can play. He has a rock sensibility about him anybody that pays attention to post malone his newest album he did a song with Ozzy. That was really cool. I urge you to check it out just for the entertainment value of it. It's on there somewhere. But. Nothing else is really going on I. Don't know I. Don't know. Zeus if you've seen anything other than you talked about the rolling stones thing. So No, I was just going to jump on look. Anybody Doing Nevada covers you're not doing nirvana covers like you're saying, let's hit prince high notes. Let's do Broncos A. Voice or something try to cover that or the edges sound when you do Nevada. The thing about Nevada is he was just raw in edgy. And his vocal style and singing was just out there and it's distinct. So you don't have to be you know let me sing like if you try to sing like him, it's GonNa Sound. Really fake an awful. If you've got it with your own voice. There is melody in it is melodic. You gotta find it in Nevada songs and if you do and sing it well, good I. Don't Know Post Malone from fucking Karl Malone I don't listen to anything past the nineties and you know that. Tom. I don't fucking know but I'll probably check it out the here I. Know on Social Media Again I. Don't you know I'm not into the new and. But I will check it out in the air how it sounds. So I'm not rolling my eyes but. The guy over there to the left had his arms folded when you were telling this story. I don't Know Post Malone for fucking Moses Malone but I can tell you because Tommy likes listening alleged. Like. Do. You remember when Larry Bird told Moses Malone to each shit. That after Moses, like broke the backboard or something or whatever it was after the eighty-one Celtics won the championship and it was the first championship in a while in Boston and he was at. City Hall. In someone, let the French a the the the Hick from French lick a gave him a microphone and he cited swearing on. TV. We gotta come that we got a couple the nickname for Kuni like thumbs-down. Kuni or something because. I'm already nervous about our next bonus episode because like zero. We try to do a rotation where every every fourth episode, we try to pick a group agreement where it's like a popular episode of album generally speaking and then we take turns sunny will pick one Zeus than me so. I think I'm next but I'm already dreading Sonny's pick because You know I have a feeling it's going to be you know why in t live in Australia only faulk. I'll give it. I would do that to you pretty boy floyd kiss covers. Actually. You got me into why and T. so I'll give you Kudos didn't really know too much about why tesol I would do a wine t album if that's what you picked. Yeah. So Yeah. We had a lot of feedback on our previous episode about. You know whether soundgarden was the type of music. Our listeners wanted to hear. We got some good feedback. We've got some thisiis trash just like sunny cooney. Sad, you know. It was interesting guys. We are going to do that look Tom's into Jazz I. Don't know what other types of music sunny likes I know he does like a lot of ballads and some prince music I like country music. We're GONNA, try to not veer too far off from a hard rock. We might go we have that option you WANNA, listen to it, listen to it. You don't don't. It's as simple as that but I thought sound art in in that album to me is one of the best rock albums of the nineties. It was worth putting it out there and I wanna hear these guys opinion on that album and I'm dying to hear what Tom is gonNA come up for next one but guys any thoughts about the previous album in the previous episode? Didn't you get feedback on your singing skills was that the one that he was singing on? Yeah. We're GONNA get to those at the end of the episode we're GonNa Talk. Somebody has a problem with my voice. I know. the last album songs that I will go back and listen to and it will be in my normal rotation. But that whole album won't be because they're just songs I don't like and it it. Got An interesting feedback that's for sure I I. Don't know if you guys saw the pole fell on black days one but spokesman was second. Yeah. You know why he was second because we like idiots forgot to put. Black. Hole Sun on that. We certainly won't GONNA put. Half on their. Having nightmares waking up in the middle of night. No that was I mean that was an easy album for me. But I but those episodes are fun to me when you have one or two of us that really love an album and the other person is cut up you know luke warm or even less than lukewarm on it I think that makes it. A little bit more interesting and I think it makes it interesting for the listeners to i. mean you know would like to think that people like to listen to the three of US talk music and have some fun with it so. It was a long episodes, but it's a long frigging album and we and we didn't cover just the album we covered. We talked about the whole genre because I was our first grunge. So it was a long episode and we enjoyed it and. Like we said. Positive. Negative. Paul Stanley said an extreme close up if you love us? Great if you hate us that's great to if you're in the middle get out. Get Out. I thought you were gonNA say bio onesie. Exactly that. But. You know before we get started. Someone in this room is feeling a little bit a little bit of what you call their horny. Horny baby. Free stuff is awesome but free stuff to spice up your bedroom is even better select almost anyone item for fifty percent off and then adamant he'd Adam and Eve loads on the free stuff enter Promo Code. Loukas at checkout and get ten tantalizing free gifts a sex the item for him a special gift for her and third IDA will both enjoy and six free spicy movies plus free shipping. That's Promo Code loud cast at Adam and Eve dot. com. We had a debate about the spice girls last time. Tom Read that. So, it will get six spicy movies. Do you have a favorite spice. Girl Sunny Cure. No because they all look like men I'm pussy. Cat Dolls Guy. They looked like men eminem wants to do manage should impregnate Nicole servicing or not one of those. Oh they look like. The spice girls in the nineties look like men than if that's the case, then I was gay in the nineties. Zeus taken personal offense to that you can't compare the pussycat dolls to the spice girls. Girls are better. Off but they all look like strippers look at any any red blooded American male knows that baby spices the way to go when you're talking about the spiral. Haas spice in the nineties everything was tight. Everything was black everything was born vinyl or fucking leather or whatever she had on like. Oh. My God, and then the rest of them were smoking ought to the scary spice. This is even sporty spice Tommy. The one said looks like a man. Go Watch the. PUSSYCAT dolls video and make it through half of it. seriously. Why are you grabbing a towel over there? Sunny Sunny ended I told you people, Promo Code Houdini. No Way, there's your poll Tommy pussycat dolls from the two thousands versus spice girls from the nineties. I'm not talking now I don't WanNa see fucking. These people with six kids squeezed out and be like who's hotter this Zeus teaser trailer right now because his bonus episode pick. Spice, world when it comes time for him. I. I'm listening to the music. Oh Man I right. Let's steer the ship back and. Get into the album pyromaniac from and. Really Yeah, who wants to give the facts on this one anybody WanNa start off can we start by his not by talking I? Yeah. I think they got that Sonny. No are no because we know you guys are so stupid. You think power medias by. Typical shouted out loud cast voice that you do fan that that's the angry fan. Sorry. All right I'll get it started so. As. You guys know I'm coming into music summer eighty, four MTV kid. So these videos were on constantly. I do remember I didn't connect would immediately though I, thought it was catchy for whatever reason. I wasn't like ooh the law upper videos back on it was hysteria that really got me paying some attention and then I went backwards so I didn't get this out. We'll probably till late eighty, seven, early eighty, eight I saw him live for the first time eighty, seven, Tesla opened when Sacramento wall the wall women it was in the round we were in the pit and got a story about that too. We got all the way to the front because we haven't actually you guys in me haven't actually met but I'm the weight of Andre the giant I like to eat, but I'm of the For. The loud but now. Just White Plumed Island twice lose some weight I used to wait five, hundred, sixty pounds, five, hundred and sixty pounds. Too much I'm onto foyer formerly eighty pounds just four, hundred, Ninety, seven, foot four. What's and. The temperament and height and. Maybe, even the mannerism of a brown matlock. ooh. Behind. Right. So that's Kinda why I am. So the way we used to do a pit was grab onto me and just follow right now would just push people out of the way to the front, and then whoever's behind me pull them in front of me. So that way they don't get crushed well awhile to shows going on one of my friends was getting cross because like the pit was going crazy and they actually got pulled out and taken backstage because there will. WanNa Pass. And we didn't see them. We didn't see him till after the show. But It was great. It was great. Oh and I think how that I show really cemented me as are and I need to get into deflected because obviously they got some great music and even Joel, you would tell you eight was probably the biggest tour they had at the really the beginning of their popularity most likely and peaked their popularity at hysteria and they probably came down at the next album. So even though this is a diamond album I don't think it was a diamond I. It wasn't headed for diamond until hysteria chemo right yup correct. So for me. This album is very, very, very special, influential and aesthetic for me other than kiss. This album probably means the most to me as a music fan. My earliest memories of falling in love with rock music other than kiss I always have that caveat. Is. DEF, leppard. In. This album. And my earliest memory is when MTV I kicked into gear. They played a lot of a high and dry videos at that time those videos were like. The live videos because they didn't nobody had money, they would record like an you know it she had high and dry. You had let it go and of course, you had bring it on the heartbreak which was played all the time and it was like that was kind of like new kind of like a a different kind of sound because it like Iron Maiden it wasn't Judas priest wasn't Sabbath and then when I was ten, this album came out and eighty three pyromaniac chemo eighty-three. Ten MTV was in full force and when that video for photograph came out. That was like that was like it for me. I was obsessed with that song I was obsessed with this album. This album is probably the most played album I've ever owned my entire life cassette CD have the German import Red Vinyl have that right next to me here when we talk about some of the artwork and liner notes it's just a it's just one of the most important albums for me and my collection and I listened to it regularly some songs are amazing. Songs are not amazing, but it's still pyromaniac. and we'll get into that. But this this this up when we agreed on pyromaniac was just very, very excited because to talk about this album is it's very, very important to me. Yeah I'm with you Tom I remember the old hi Dr Videos. Like Cho- Elliot had I just remember Joe. Elliott. had like this really shine he blue shirt and he looked like billy squire and billy squire have been out there the stroke and stuff and I was like Oh is that him and it was. But like those songs kind of. This. Specifically I'm like you may be the most played album I've ever had. And it's it's hard to describe but this hits home like it's part of your childhood. It's the music that got me into hard rock metal versus the music that made me hip hop fan or made me into jazz or something else. pyro mania did that it's I kind of equated from like music beforehand, and then photograph comes out and I'll get into more details. When we hit the photograph, we'll talk about the video and all that stuff. But to me, it's like the wizard of Oz. You mind pretty and your little dog. Everything's in color. Now you land there and you're seeing things you're seeing a rottweiler rock guitarist looks like you're seeing the lead vocal drummer basis the the rhythm gets like everything opened up I had this album my family I've I've this many times on the show before so Me and all my my brother, all my cousins in eighty three I know the first time I visited Greece with my parents my mom brought us and it was mean my cousin. My cousin Kendall from Indiana in four other cousin all boy cousins all at the same age vicious kissel. This came with us. This got played on my first trip hanging out with older cousins my brother in them. This was an eye opening like I'm start I'm not a kid anymore I'm getting to be. This is eighty three we're talking I'm ten years old. Now. So first summer in Greece, I've got pyro mania with us. We have high and dry, but pyromaniac was the one we were playing the most and I'll never forget that trip. It was my first trip there. I'll never forget having that in that opened up my eyes to hard rock and then I was you know obviously kiss was there. But DEF LEPPARD. Favorite and then you always just waiting and waiting once other album coming out one other album gonNA come out and then you're waiting than they do like they released high and dry again with me and my wine, and then you're like, okay, wants next one coming out and there was hunger for pyro mania and then a whole new wave of metal axe hard rock soft metal whatever you WANNA call it Glam metal came in in between, and then obviously they regain the throne with hysteria but pyro mania. For me established what I felt and I think a lot of people felt was what that whole error of hard rock and metal music the like I said, the lead singer, the the flashy guitarist. It just had that image and this is what I pitched high rock to be everything from that album was just the. The. Hooks the melody like hard rock can be melodic I loved like the kiss albums I loved at around this time I was gone into some I'm thinking myself personally Ozzy's like bark at the moon had been Al Blizzard of Oz and all those stuff like that's the kind of music I was getting into. But nothing was as catchy because the other band that was into back then Tom, and this is a pop band when durant Iran remember them, of course, VAT was league back then so they were the link between. Ozzy. Chaos and durant. Durant right in the like it can be poppy but hard rock and to me that music in that style and everything everything got copied after now somebody can point out me no fucking KIP winger had an album out in nineteen eighty-two before that. But to me pyromaniac set the standard which got copied and created quiet riot had come out to. But I didn't really like them I liked Def Leppard in pyromaniac more in that to me established my love hard rock music. So it's got a special place for me. Yeah I. Totally. Agree with what you're saying and when we're talking about this particular album for me I think this album you kind kinda hinted at Zeus. This album is like a mile marker in the history of rock music there is before Pie Romania there is after pyromaniac. Alamo looking at when does this happen in the movie now you're looking at now. Sir Everything that happens now is happening now what happened then passing? Now where it now now go back to then now now now can't why we missed it just now. When will then be now soon? Because at this time, this came out at the beginning of eighty three that came out in January of eighty three. There was no. Too fast full of too fast food love had already come out. And there was no shout at the devil show the double came out at the end of eighty-three. There was rat there was no bon jovi none of that stuff was really out yet. So if you wanted like a dual guitar like British band you. Judas. In you had sabbath like that but that stuff wasn't like accessible. Melodic. It wasn't poppy. It was like guys music. So you had when you had you, you had to like you said, you had the hooks, the melody you had layered guitars, layered volts. You had a sensibility that was accessible man girls listening to deaf leopard girls didn't listen to. Iron Maiden Judas priest or black bossy. Solo this attracted every bit and this is another band to that really was the timing couldn't have been more perfect when when MTV was in its is in its infancy and these videos shot them into orbit Allen the drummer like he even says, you know this is this is a rock album for people who don't listen to Black Sabbath you know because you're not gonna get this kind of the pop sensibility in the melodies and like you said, Zeus. After this this when it blew open the devil come out in that end of that year then then it just blew open then you had out of a seller rack. Then that was it for the rest of the eighties and you know even even def let themselves adjusted what the because then hysteria is. Potter. Is Very different than I android. We'll get into the production and help involve to sunny. Yeah I was GonNa ask you guys because there was I was thinking about this the other day you could stay this album was the bridge to hair metal, right? So you're not listening to maiden predeceased I think Saxon was around supposedly some other shore. fucking throwing Saxon in the middle. Well, there's a bunch of, let's put it this way. There was a bunch of new wave of British heavy metal architect was not melodic, right? They weren't melodic, but they had crunching guitars at connect them to peaceful, and then after this, there was nobody can. Reproduce this because they don't have Julius Vogel. So after this is like well, wait a second we could just be good looking guys check out our ass a little bit like Phil Collins doing there and we should be good to go. Right. So I think this is the bridge to what's to come absolutely no doubt and when we talk about the production, this is probably one of those first albums that really. You talk about the producer top of the legendary. Mutt. Lang who you know who who did four four, which set that band into the stratosphere with a hit loaded album like that and of course, more more known for doing back and Black ACDC and sending them into orbit. They were already first album O'Brien. Johnson and then back and black just takes off into another atmosphere for them high and dry was a was a was a rocking kick ass you know ballsy raw rock record it was hooky. But it wasn't a pyromaniac in laying was with was with them on high and dry, but he was really really involved in Romania. And the production is a little bit different. It has a little bit more of a pop sensibility and like we like the three of US said, this is definitely that bridge between. Early Eighties British hard rock slash metal to what we got what we got. You know after this. Okay. Now, one of the things you mentioned back in black and all that. I, know you guys aren't country fans. I. Am the fact that like Mutt Lang like these two albums like back in black in pyromaniac hysteria and stuff they are miniscule to what he took over the hottest woman. Probably the nineties compared to spice girls, his wife Shania Twain. Giant still hot yeah. That album. The woman in me twenty million. You think that's good. Let me come up with the next one forty million Yup. Okay. That is insane sixty, million albums the two albums that he worked on with his then smoking hot wife the woman me in come on over and all those songs, our country def. Leppard if you listen to. True. Country DEF LEPPARD. Any man of mine is. Country pour some sugar on me. You can tell in reminds me of not sure who said it about Bob Azran Bob Ezra and has a Bob Azran album and he has kiss perform on it. Motley seems like, Oh, I can do this, but I want a little harder output. ACDC on this one I've got a little hard rock but more Popovich put DEF LEPPARD to do my album here the hall do little country this time I'll have my smoking hot wife do it I? Like it just seems like he's not just hey, that's good. That's a good guitar there. Mick Mars aw, we'll keep that he's writing everything with them. So this is like his album absolutely wrote all this with me spent a long time on this record. So could you imagine not doing a kiss record in the seventies Reid? He'd be like aches what the fuck was fat play it again on Sure. What played played again anyway to a Stephen Michael What. I was just GonNa say that. Ma Dude if you gotTA. Do. What the Guy Played Me How did I sound I think WHO's the drummer in his right Eric, sink? But you're right. You're right Mutt. Lang. Was Lucky that you know the the the DEF Leppard guys were like good. Relatively patient because he was like painstakingly like anal about this recording when it comes to drum, work the guitars that he was very like we like Zeus had already hinted at we talked about like he was very this is like a Mutt. Lang album where he took DEF LEPPARD and said, I want you to make this album for me as opposed to Oh. Your album he's like you'll make my album. And that's what it turned out to be. Like you said, this would never have worked with people in case and Peter I can take I can take a great band like ACDC but they're not young in his good looking as these guys certainly be making a little pop ish. Let me make this the fuck in pre backstreet boys. In sync and create this sound with them, which I can get with ACDC but make them pretty unpopular and there you go. I think it's easier to be patient. Do when you're a Joe Elliott, you just had hits in America, with bring on the heartbreak and Blah, blah? Blah. And he's working on the construction site I. Think He's thinking all right either I listen this dumb, ass are they gonna go pound hammers they that I'm not doing that? Yes. I'm calling about the helper job. Construction Helper, it's true in in one huge thing to talking about Mutt in the in the production. and. Rick Allen was was not happy about this too, and you can see the vast difference in the sound between high and dry pyrometer. Is that electric like snare drum that very poppy You know and and you know we we saw a documentary about this album and Lang was even like hinting at some of that electronic music with that was popular at the time you know bands like the Human League. Duran Duran and Rick like do I'm a fucking rock drummer what are you doing here and then but like you said, they were young enough they did it. They trusted him. You know in in the rest became history obviously that electronic sound really took over on hysteria for obvious reasons do the tragedy involving Rick Allen. But, the the musical landscape had changed to an eighty eight and hysteria is I. Mean I know I know high and dry pyromaniac stereo different albums but this could be a poll to or debate one of the all time greatest three album runs in the history of hard rock I mean without a doubt and this is the middle one exactly both in reality in chronological and the sound, it's the. and You know let let's get some of the facts on this when released in January twentieth. Eighty three. It got up to number two, but he just could not beat. Michael Jackson's thriller sold about six million and then. You know deaf leopards, popularity and hysteria and everything eventually got up to ten million diamond I know you guys over there at grownup rock their big diamond. Episode right site. Yeah, we talked about all the rock diamond albums are are out there, and there's there's quite a few. You'd be surprised some of the ones that made it to diamond to be honest with you. If you go look at the list but yeah, there's there's several several I have several on that at diamond list that were not diamond when they came out but we came diamond later after the next album took him this shrimp and does that was one of those? Yeah. So the album. Comes out eighty three produced by mutt Lange. So we usually talk about the album covers before we really get into the songs. Guys, thoughts about the cover. Yes. Oh, it's. It's an absolutely iconic album cover everybody knows it. You can see it from far away. I'm holding the vinyl in front of me. So I have a nice big bright copy of the of the artwork. You know it's got that scope with the building on fire, the smoke billowing out of it and it's interesting too. Because when you look at the building, the front of the building looks like a regular you know skyscraper. But if you look to the side of it, the side part of the building the left side, it looks like it's like some kind of computer technology type thing you know kind of looks a little comic Book Yeah you've got comic books. Yeah We're on what's you know? What are they? Funny you know and I think sunny you had some you had some some information on on that as well. Maybe about that album cover excuse me. Yeah and ear fix did this cover and he's mostly a graphic designer. So I guess they found him because he did the dead or alive cover. I didn't know that was an iconic cover and the Thomas to Thomson plans cover. So they wanted they wanted something that was a bit futuristic, but you know had some punch to it. So Andy like I said is a graphic designer. So he hires an artist he draws up something in a goal make this into something and then looked attic law man. That's kind of like marvel comic a little bit less said this and this and make a low futuristic. So that's kind of where it came from I. Like the I'm Kobe ticket school and it's definitely iconic. Yeah I think it's more eye conic than something that like at the time like own my God i. You know I'm so used to it got the DEF Leppard logo on the top left pyro mania, the Gun scope image in the fire and everything blowing up Yeah. I mean again I it's it's pyro mania. So I recognize there's not really much to say he's just iconic because of what it is and I'm not really sure about now that I'm thinking about. the band does not usually appear on their albums at least not the first five, but I can think of off the top of my head. So he's some sort of an image. albums three four and five one word titles and I think then you get into how did the name come from and Sunny? You had something on that. So the the name there's an engineer, they had an engineer and The guy's name is Craig Thompson I think right Yep Craig Thompson. I gotta go back. So they're trying to get this certain sound out of their marshalls obviously much being a pain in the ass by the way if was running this podcast, we'd never fucking but anyway So. He's he's being a pain the as they can't get the right sound out of it and somebody says man we should go burn these marshals and the engineers like a probably took personally and said you guys are a bunch of pyromaniac and that's kind of where it came from. Yeah and you gotTa love those stories because as a failure, all pyromaniac must be like such a creative thought provoking album title and meanwhile it's just a frigging. Lucky. Conversation that they had with with a guy that overheard them wanting to burn their shit. You know just just funny how that stuff happens. Yeah. We're so used to doing like episodes about creative titles like lick it up. I don't think there's a long story for the creation of that title. But. Let's talk about the back album cover well for the vitamin back out for the CD. So the back album again, I'm looking at the vinyl I. Think Zoo says the CD. You have four excuse me five what kind of look like slides like of of all the band members like action shots. And then you have. A big picture overlaying it with like all matchsticks some of them inflame some them just laying there. Then you have the track listing which they taking a page out of kisses book. The track listing is out of order. It's not the actual track listing when you when you open up the CD or take out the vinyl and then you have you know information on the back of Oban members, producers, etc, etc we can. Will cover that part of eventually to the other thing is so I have the CD I don't remember I had the cassette I don't remember the cassette having lyrics. The CD that I have does have lyrics and that's great and He's got a couple of pitchers in stuff, but you know, let's get to you know who's on this album. So the big thing about this, we said it row radio few times it is produced by Robert John Mutt Lange right at the time. The band was still Joe Elliott Steve Clarke. Rick Savage Rick, Allen and Pete Willis and Pete Willis did all the guitar backing a rhythm guitar on the whole album and then because the little shit was too much of a drunk apparently and he was you know messing up in the studio not just on the road they decided to give them the heave Ho and apparently than lane brought in Phil Collen in said, Hey, here's a solo. Can you try and he took it in one take and? Like. Yeah. This guy should be guitarist and he jumped in he did the lead guitar and a bunch of the tracks and we'll go over which ones he did versus Steve Clark and he added backing tracks on all the songs as well. thoughts on the band in itself it's too bad what happened with Pete Willis because the guy was an absolute he was a great guitar I mean anybody that's listened to high dry knows his ability to contribute to the band but like You know I think the story was he showed up at the studio to record a solo for stagefright and he was so shit faced. Straighten out this funny little drinking problem they got. That the he just couldn't even he couldn't even get it done and you know Mutt Lang pretty much sent him home and that was it. You never heard from him again and it's too bad because the guy was a talented guy just trouble guy. But you bring in somebody like Phil Collen and fill call and it just has just propelled that band and I think I think the solo that. He kind of tried out for I. Think it was the Solo from photograph which ended up being the sole they use on the album, which is an iconic solo and we'll we'll talk about that too. Sonny. Yeah, I. Yeah I have a conspiracy theory. I said I think Mutt said Phil Take your shirt off but these white pants on and turn around. All right you're in I. that's what has and. Then he says don't, and then he said, don't ever put your shirt on ever again on again. Even, your sixty three. Exactly looks great. They'll give him credit. I am an attractive curse. And you over there, Frodo. Fuck out of the band everybody else is a good looking guy and then you have this fucking little ugly little hobbit with sausage fingers. Yes. He happens to be a dwarf or. midget I don't know what he's called exactly but. He's a little Guy Little Billy Barty God rest. But thin fingers not the. Fat Sausage thinkers like you gotta go. So they booed his ass out they booted him across the bond and my Horsey when he got scared, he booted me across the bond because he was angry with the birds and then. You know. They. CONIC GOOD-LOOKING DEF LEPPARD band. Right. The other thing is they added some extra players on this album amongst them which I did not know was Who Tommy playing keyboards and credited under his real name science. Won. The one. The one and only Thomas Dolby listed as booker t boffin. Not to use with book, not the five time five time five time five time five time WCW champion. Dick. Sucks. Thank God. WHO Doesn't love? She blinded me with science come on. I'll be honest. I didn't know that either until he was looking into this in between any took time in between a calling. Red Sox? Championship Games. And Football Games to come in and play keyboards here. Right. I'm Thomas Dolby I mean I'm Joe Buck. Red Sox fans award. The Boston red. SOX World Champions Show Block is Thomas. Dolby in every time he would call a game in me and Tom would be there either playoff game or baseball game we'd always go scientist Love that? Oh God but anyways, yes. The Book Booker T. The wrestler Boffin Joe Buck played keyboards on credit in. I guess he would call him into play on a lot of Robert mutt lane albums backing vocals from the leper debts. What is that? Probably some God damn good looking women. Yeah. Exactly. The leopard debts and it's funny to we talked about it. So and it says Joe Elliott Steve Stephen Clark Phil Collen Rick Savage Rick Allen and guitar backing tracks on all songs Pete Willis now backing tracks. That's not. You're going to get upset if he finds his as these, the backing tracks that Eddie trunk rails against or is this approved, but he's not going to get upset about harmonising they used for the backing vocals. Exactly. Stewart doesn't have a problem with that. No. His buddies how many layers? Vocal tracks. Do they use never mind when they get their stereo off the charts? That is right but even on pyro mania that's the one common theme and let's I mean I'll get into the common theme we talked about last episode soundgarden was you know Cornell's vocals show Elliott's vocals are fantastic fantastic a towel the dual guitars fantastic trumping great base nice couple baselines in there but you know the one thing that I feel like sticks out to me is this becomes the blueprint I feel for rock music going forward in that the. Two guitars good. Looking guys catchy as fuck choruses, vocal harmonies that these courses that these guys do as unmatched in Rock I've talked to you about this only when I think of that does is good is van Halen were the chorus background. The band can do but these guys from every song down every one of their vocal harmonies are off the charts. Impeccable. You know that's Mutt Lange in the studio in the studio is Kinda played live as well because they sound just as good live and it's not them doing that live but it's Just, you know in the way that guitar comes in the Solo. On every one of these songs, it's like Elliot sets it up going straight to my head and then points and boom the needles feel call it and it's a whammy bar right? All these things that I think of when you think of here metal and I don't, and that's a topic later whether this is here medal but all these things in that pitcher him chop into his knee and playing guitar in videos it's all like stemmed from this album in stemmed from. These videos and then that's the foundation that took over years and years to come. Yeah. I don't want to put something together. That was GONNA be catchy and get a lot of audience. There's no doubt about that. He said all that I don't think he realized that he basically like we said before took that Iron Maiden Judas priest dual guitar attack with the incredible vocal and put it together with Duran. Duran melodies and good luck guys and didn't realize Oh my God I got a fucking gold mine ear right but that's sort advocate. Absolutely. Excuse me and I think you know looking at an album like pyromaniac aband- like Def Leppard at this era, we talked about how Kinda bridged bridged. From some of that hard rock dual guitar that wasn't really accessible. It's almost like kiss at their peak got a lot of kids or younger listeners in to rock and roll music. The stage presence that guitars the harmonies, the melodies, and it's like DEF Leppard Kinda did the same thing for eighties rock because what I was ten years old I was music was a huge thing for me and I knew some Judas priest I knew some iron maiden but it didn't grab me the way that. Grabbed me and then like we've talked about before and then it just pushes you into that world of pop metal and whether that's kind of a derogatory term or not. That's what this is. The first album of it's kind of like I said previously, there is a pre and post pyromaniac a world out there yet you better hope in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty that Robert that Rob Alford do not grab you and push you Tom. Because he would have some issues now not that there's anything wrong with. Take a look at Judas priest. Milan. Like back then you've got another coming very catchy song you ain't Takin, those ugly Fox selling that two girls and bring in that mainstream as much. Song Kick Sas Judas Priest has got all the talent as DEF LEPPARD, but they don't got that catchy pop sound. It's lightning in the bottle. He found the good looking guys that have talent. Talent so Same thing with like durant Iran and those guys actually were looking they had some talent and they had some charisma def. LEPPARD has charisma likeable guys cool as fuck guys like them chicks wanted to bang them. And it was the perfect thing. Talented guys catchy hooks. Good looks. It worked and you know all sudden you got the the the start of something different and then everybody goes hey, that's something different. Let's all do that. Grunge the same thing when we did our last episode, right? If something pick up and then next thing you know we got a sunny listening to pretty boy floyd in fucking. And bullet boys you know. There's nothing wrong with the dog eight on the bullet boys I boy. So ready get into the album axe. So I one. Rock rock till you drop in here it goes. A. Only. Okay. So I was listening to the song and looking at the cover and realized there's an inordinate amount of exclamation points. Rock. Rock like maybe I guess they figured the title lacked enthusiasm. I love the riff. The song is very endemic as commission point and it's very easy. DC as Mason and stupid Joe Buck. Thomas. Dolby Senate. Exclamation point. So. You could tell immediately that the like the production is just awesome. So, what we're going to need to do here now is Zeus is GonNa have to drop in a bit of a lane using too many exclamation points. You should learn to use them like the way I'm talking right now I will put exclamation points at the ends of all of these sentences. Okay But no, it's a killer opener. It's you know you're in for a fun ride with with an album that opens up like this in a song, the the main riff, an intro section of the song it was taken from an old one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty song called medicine man this is attracted Def leppard perform live on much of their on through the night or their first album back in nineteen eighty. So he kinda reconfigured some of it for this and it's catchy chorus killer verses just good stuff. Yeah. So, written by Mutt Steve Clarke Rick Savage Joe Elliott. One of the things we talked about on this album was if you look certain parts, it does say who wrote the song, but then it will say songwriters in it'll miss list the whole band in Mutt Lange throughout this whole album. So I, to conflicting things I'm assuming they're meeting songwriter wrote the song in the lyrics or portion of it. So songwriters throughout the whole album of the five end Mutt Lange in the five includes little boy there. The hobbit there he would eat willis. Yeah in not Phil Collen. And mutt Lange obviously, this one has and they alternate in the band. So the Hobbit plays rhythm guitar throughout the whole album but Steve Clarke and Phil Collen Switch who sings who does lead guitar on this one Phil Collen was delete tar did the Solo I? Think this is a great way to start an album and you'll see the running theme of every song has like a build up and it's a little bit of that Bob Azran little little sound effects a little like not just play the fucking song and goal. So but it builds up and that intro is great and then that rift takes off holy Shit and then Cinderella stole it and put it on Gypsy road and my. What a great way to start an album very high and dry I think I think he matches it would fit on that album and Sonny mentioned ACDC this is by far joy Elliott's best. Brian Johnson, impression Oh. Yeah. Sounds just like him on this more than any of there's another one song that he sounds like I'm a little. This is the most that he sounds like him Great harmonies as Tom's talked about the Solos Great. The vocals, a great you know and you've noticed all these solos very melodic you can Hamam, you can sing them very freely. But again, like we talked about before the album, they the quintessential, how does Iraq here metal or are rock song go in the eighties there it is the vocals, the melody, the chorus lead into a Great Guitar Solo. She just long enough then right back into the chorus it's fantastic and I like the Nice Little Bridge they got their rock rock give it to me. Don't ever they do some of that stuff in there still singing. Get more feedback yeah. and then in addition to that I always wonder what he was saying at the end and now actually had the lyrics. I can rent too loud man too loud like that a little ironic humor there are something or what is he talking about? I don't know but that's that's kind of interesting ending to a song but overall great kick ass way to start an album. Yup absolutely move it along and you guys have heard this next song. Matter. How Do. All. Right. So we talked about pyromaniac got to number two because Michael Jackson was number one but this song only got the twelve. Let me tell you what the eleven songs above it were. So eleven was DICAMBA COMAZAR ten was time by the culture. Club. Nine was my love by Lionel Richie than you got jeopardy by the Greg Kim. Ban. Solitaire by Laura six Little Red Corvette five was Joe Buck which she blinded me with science. Four was over for was overkill by men at work three was flashdance to beat it and one was less dance by David Bowie like you get to a point where you just not gonNA top some of these iconic songs I'm not sure all of those are, but you have to give it to Def Leppard today competed right? There's not really a lot of rock albums we're competing. And you know pyrite has the shit about mental health was the first number one album, blah blah, this definitely should have been if they didn't have to compete with thriller right that these guys should have been the Joe Elliott's vocal at this point I mean he's hidden notes women can't hit I mean he there's no way he could've kept up what he was doing in nineteen ninety-three. A there's no doubt about that the video I don't know if you noticed but Rick Scott The headset mic. So we already got backstreet boys happening got the Union Jack Shirt. We got Phil Collen like every time. The cameras on Joel Phil Collen for some reason jumps into the camera angle I. Don't know why that all is and then something zoo said before is you Could it completely ruined this song by putting an in bay? Monster Solo right like if inveighs doing this song dishonest ship, it never gets number twelve because you can't have a two minute solo on a song like this. But the the solo is just enough to make it like a perfect eighties melodic Rachael, there is no doubt about it. So photograph is probably my all time. Favorite. Song and it's been that way since the first. It's been that way since the first time I heard it when I was age ten. The video, the song, the chorus, the drums, the hook. The Guitar Solo if I didn't already say that it's just I think this is the song that every band wanted to have. They saw what this video did for the for the song it the layered vocals harmonies. Like sunny said a perfectly timed catchy solo and every band after this was like Oh my God we have to have a photograph. We have to find a way to make this. We have this in our catalog and then look moving forward all those all those eighties band they had that one iconic song. It may not have been photograph but a lot of those bands had that one song that they could hang their hat on and I think that's what everybody was striving for especially in the MTV era. In favor song and ten year old video did Merriman rotator top off and I miss it or something well I did like Rick Allen's Union Jack. Shorts. He sit there spread eagle behind the drum kit. So maybe that had something to do with it. All right. So it went to number twelve on the charts as written by Mutt Lane Steve Clarke Willis Rick Savage, and Joe Elliott Poor Drummer. Wasn't in there, Rick Allen Phil. Calling did the Solo on this The riff. It's that shook me all night long seemed funny. Funny. It's the same producer right Yup that riff. I. It's just the same thing they got. You talked about other people started doing that photograph. So you mean like you give love a bad name or Heaven's on fire those type of songs at the drum guitar the drum to get our you know the video is iconic. So it had bigger lasting impact than most songs that Sonny had read off the top eleven songs think about the impact this one did. You know Marilyn Monroe must have had some sort of affinity for and they put her in the video. The Union Jack became such a huge DEF leppard imagery in pop culture. Everybody was getting the Union Jack just like a relax don't do it. Right. That was. The Union. Jack was an eighties thing off. Yeah. Yup and then. Sunny's favourite. The spice girls brought it back right with the unions Lord, Yeah Yeah. Does it look like men personal? Lord. If, they look like men. Okay. So But you're right and then Rick Allen his Union Jack Tidy little. Tom selleck magnum. Pi Shorts. Well, I was wearing short shorts. You know to wear a little short found the job and whatnot. and. That reminds me of the thing they think it was. Your wife on facebook about these are the lenses shorts. The Magnum Pi Larry Bird circuit eighty-six shorts. We like the balls or like no. Basically hanging out that was me I tagged my wife 'cause she's still watches magnum because it's still on it's got him getting out of a Ferrari he's got those nut huggers on in there like barely shorts. Eighties like basketball she wants. Their. Larry Bird specials. My God and then the other thing. There's a little thing that comes prevalent album and that's that cowbell. Yeah. Yeah. Guess what. I got a fever. And the only prescription is more cowbell. Right in there is it's it's it's in there, and then there's a little slide guitar in there too. If you notice fill call doing a little slide guitar Joe, Elliott's jumping off the stage which Paul would try to replicate in every fucking eighties kiss video remember the legs split. Thinking, he was David Lee Roth. Sorry and Settle Down Joey David Lee Roth either. In, also, if you remember here like something like leg warmers on how what was that look? The Union Jack Shirt looked cool. But whatever the hands whatever was going down below they're just not not not a good look. Had you about to say something. Between, nut huggers leg warmers and. I didn't even know yet pants on I to looking there. There's hard businessman and then you know you guys already talked about it and that is the you know and I'll say it not sing. It's so sunny doesn't cry you gone straight to my head and he drags that no doubt and point you know and then what has happened Phil. Calling drops to one knee is white pants shirt kind of an open jam it on the guitar and that was and I will be honest because I remembered. High and dry videos and Steve. Clark was my favorite guitar because I didn't like the Hobbit and I'm like who the fuck is this guy why is he overshadowing my guitarist because he was all flashing I'm like my guitarist isn't doing shit now is in the background and I'm like, who's this flashy asshole but he looked bad ass just out there jamming away on that and you know and it's got the. I don't know. fucking quintessential eighties, chicks and fucking cages and just cheesiness. But the video really changed you know hard rock and music. Good looking guys playing a fun catchy song. Changed. Everything in this song just really started off huge def leppard anything else you guys want to add yeah. It was the first video to knocked off beat it off the most requested videos. Photograph was the one that finally toppled, beat it off the off the top of the mountain there, and you're getting back to the video. So it's The the video obviously everybody who's listening has seen it, but it's got the mixed in the Marilyn Monroe stuff in it. It's got the band performance and maybe it was a budgetary thing. But is there a smaller fucking stage where bunt were a five member band? I mean those guys were on top of each other and watching the video like Jesus Christ recall is the most comfortable one because the rest of the guys are lakes on top of each other not in those Tom selleck shorts he wasn't. True Media, right? That's true. But now I mean, what can you say about photograph? I mean. The video and the song just iconic especially if you're our age. Yeah. Absolutely sunny anything else. nope. I'm good. All right. Let's go to the next one. May. On. New. Okay so stage fright. So there's a couple of songs on this album that get lost because of the huge hits that are on this out. This is one of the wants to me a great song. Kind of you know has that live recording feel a great riff I'm not sure if the songs about groupies or it's about a woman little shy to get down I'm not. Sure. But I can tell you one thing I'm sure about because as nineteen eighty-three and this thing is written in a to kiss is coming off the elder and going into creatures and Paul listens to visit eighty-three before lick it up comes out and does all my God I wrote this song make some of these lyrics I'm sure kids is like or Paul especially as like. Like. This guy and because it's like Oh, my God, these guys stole my saw. Problem that I have with this song is it just gets lost its to open with the song. So it was it was a great opening song to but it just it didn't get released as a single so he'd never had a shot to be con-? Yeah. I. Totally agree with Sunny I'm on board with the IT's it's a lost deep cut gem. You know it's got those those effects that make it sound like there's an audience. Killer riff song that could have been on high and dry. And it's funny how you hear you hear that that pop that polished pop rock metal of photograph, and then they just change the change course and just go right into this ripping fast paced rocker kind of almost like reminding people hey, we can do both we can do we can do it all commend and just give it all I want to show you what I'm capable of you know we can. We can re up on stage fright you know we have to but. I totally agree with sunny a Asong gets lost on this album written by mutt Lange Rick Savage Joe Elliott Phil, calling did the Solo on this one I think this one is another one of those high dry type songs right more in line with the previous album. It's another build up of song and everybody loves the welcome to my show beginning and the crowd noise pumped in. So on my now that I look back like Oh, Gee, that's how they did alive We go. That's how they. You know a lot of the whammy bar. So eighty in stuff. And this is another one of those not as bad as rock rock. But another one of those Brian Johnson type vocals that he does I will say this because I'm not going to give away my preferences and things like that. There is not a song that I'll go on this album none. So if I talk about a song and I'm like it's not as great science giving me dirty looks it's not I'm saying in comparison to the rest all of these songs are unbelievable in my opinion they're all iconic they're all fantastic but. You know some are obviously got to be better than others. I really liked the song. Let's just leave it at that but I wouldn't call this song a deep cut I wouldn't call any song a deep cut off this album because this whole fucking album is well known by everybody in everybody's played this a million times. So everybody knows that at least I. Think of people in the friends that we grew up with Tom knows what stage fright is knows the song that's just my opinion So let's move on to late for love. Stocks. Street. Salute Zone. So this one really is war of visuals song and you don't usually get this in the type of music we listen to but he's definitely telling a story here painting a picture with You know like somewhere in the distance I, hear the bells ring darkness ells on the town children start saying it feels like it was maybe a poll kind of written and then converted to a song or maybe somebody's. Like fictional story or something like that which I love it you can really hear savages bass thumping on this song a little bit more than some of the other previous songs that whole drop in the music Dow do some focal bringing it back build up I mean all those hope type tricks that we've been talking about are very prevalent in the song to videos interesting because I don't know if you noticed. But everybody was in black and rick still didn't get the memo. He was still wearing the same short just like everybody go change writ you stay put you know at org the health the other thing that I notice in this video and then I went back and watched the other ones like Kinda happens everywhere Steve Clark. Is Not comfortable he almost makes it feel like he does not want to be known he. Wants to be behind the scenes and maybe at the end that's what got him right maybe that's what actually did a man Phil Collins on the other end Mike Cameron and up and trying to get it every scene Steve. Clark's almost trying to hide behind what's going on which was it was evident in this video at least Yup could call Tom Yeah one thing I love about I I love the song But. I. Love the track listing of this album like and I think that contributes to the enjoyment of it like you. Like we said, we have that that pop metal perfection and photograph you turn up the you turn it up on stage fright then you're slow it down on too late for love. But the intro to this in a way, the song just kicks in after that very moody intro with sound effects in. Joliet voice and then you know it just rips in an it's just a it's a killer song and you know I think what? What Sunny said to about Steve clock rest in peace you know I think he may have been one of those guys where you know I'm a guitar player on a rocker. I don't WANNA be in a video I don't want to dress up performed for the camera. Phil, collen relish that. Phil Calm doesn't fucking close when he's on stage because he wants everybody to look at him you know rest in Peace Steve Clarke unbelievable guitarist. But like sunny said he felt a little bit a little bit out of place. In this era was not for everybody. But that being said, one of one of my favorites on this album probably saying that about all the songs. But this is a cool. A cool vibe to the song written by Mutt Lane steamed Clark Pete Willis Rick Savage Joe Elliott Phil Collins is just on backing vocals on this. This is the first one where he's just on backing vocals and Steve Clark does the Solo on this and the one thing I want to mention, but he does do the soul on it. It's a very melodic solo. You can helmet. You can hear you can think about the song you know it. You can humming right now and head You know again, another entrance intro kind of thing is doing with the wind gushing and here's the thing maybe foreshadowing what's going to happen later on this evening is this a power ballad, right? You know? The videos from a Christmas special done in December eighty-three, it's edited down not the full song from something called like supersonic. No not J. J fad supersonic. Sonic. Sonic. Jj Fad. And actually. Steve Clark does the Solo in the video and this is a kind of a weird. If you saw the video sunny you you you see rick savage is doing the gene style like playing. Did you notice that never does anything else but in this one he's doing that oh Cello Bass Upright Bass. I, love to do like. I was. Really, bitterly bitterly. Talking knows exactly what I'm talking about that fucking Dana Carvey TV show with Dana Carvey mid that make fun of the Beatles. Legendary. Bouli bitterly. People want to know about yesterday it's no mystery really just doing me job you. Can on the clunker low thia. Literally field it flew flew inside you know. Bloomberg laid out in that big knocker block started with the flow dog bill and can we do that tipped up his? Though you have your table. But you notice because the gene Simmons video thing. I just I just thought it very, very quirky. In the video stops were that extended guitar part comes in towards the end that bridge. and. If you watch the videos, well, they also had those like alive to type staircases. Notice the video and it's kind of like up in the air. Wait for one of the fall off that thing embraked fucking neck and I fell down the stairs and my shoes fellows and then the. Canceled they never get as big, but then it comes down in the middle of the video just like. Just like a kiss concert would. And I just found the song just another great great vocals harmonies. Just just fits the album. Well, you're right Tom it does fit a pattern which just whoever picked the tracks and how they go on this album did an excellent job. And they continues on the next song. So let's hear the next one. Food. Fire. lived. So if you watch a lot of joliet interviews or listened to a lot of stuff about Joel, he can't shut up about Martha Hoople I don't know why. Martha Hoople Guy Right but he's Ian Hunter Fan obviously and people think the songs about that and it's really got nothing to do with that is more about the deer hunter enjoy it's so yup and I, get it not every song can be about you know suck and Fuck in Drugs Women Jack Daniels like you've got to write other stuff and he didn't want the write something that was about what was happening right then in there because the Falkland Island thing was happening at that point and he didn't want to cash in on stuff. That was happening at that point. So it's supposed to be more about kind of like the deer hunter. Vietnam it's an okay song to me. I think the Intros a bit over the top. The first eighty seconds can just go the hell away and then that Minin a half minute forty, five of that baton solo that drags on forever could cut this thing to like a four minute song out been a happy guy. Yeah it's a good song. If you it's it's six minutes and seventeen seconds long there's no excuse for it to be that long. It's a good song I had. This is the first song on the album where I'm going to be a little nitpicky and my issue is the chorus way too thick on the keyboards. The keyboards are are over the top when you. When they're screaming you die hard the hunter. If you listen to, you can hear that layered keyboard over the vocals to the point where it kind of pulls you away from the fact that the Song Kicks Ass If, you're not sure what I'm talking to listen to it. You can really hear it. It's a great song. It's on pyromaniac degrade song, but the song could have been cut a little bit at the ended a little bit at the beginning. But but do. Like Sunny said, it's a different topic. You know it's not about love and chicks and you know rocking it out it's it's an interesting song I. Think there's a reason why it's the last song on side one if you're talking cassette or vinyl. 'cause it's definitely not the best song on side one but it's it's a good song for me written by Lane Stephen Clarke Rick Savage Joe Elliott Steve Clark does the soul on this again, another long intro, the helicopter and everything builds up I I i. disagree with both of you. I, think this is a gem Jama. Love it. Love it. I love the through. We get to the rankings. Yeah. I love the chorus. Harmonies you can't do that and then oh no, you can't do that. All just fantastic it's a little bit about like I think I, blood came out around that time to Yup and a little bit about that. The guy that just can't get over the war. It seemed like that's a little bit a part of this. There's a funny part to this that I as a kid I think I, told you about this before Tom I, love this song but sometimes Joe Elliott maybe it's the accent I can't pick up a lot of his words. So just you know knowing this album and then going through it, reviewing it for our episode today, there are a lot of lyrics that I'm like bats what he said. I had no idea that this is. All time favorite for me so. I know he didn't say this but I always thought he is the shadow that's following you I always thought growing up and he is the shadow GonNa fight on you. With the bond with a Boston absent thought on you not let the rest of the conscious fart with the highest audience fought on you nice and I. Like what the fuck is that everybody he's saying fine In this the Star Wars laser affects do I don't know what the fuck that's supposed to be because I don't only gun shop that sounds like that. It's the longest song on the album. It's got a long solo goes into a bridge. It's very melodic than back into the rift. It sounds almost like a little switch sixty five in the middle there like that solo from high and dry. I absolutely love this on the chorus gets me. It hooks man I didn't pick up on the keyboards Tom I'm going to go back and listen to what you're saying I love the riff. I, love the vocals on this show, Elliott? It's out of the Park Van fucking tastic and I know I said earlier that there aren't no really deep cuts. I don't consider any of these songs on the sound deep cuts but for me if you would say, it's a deep cut great. But I would think is one of their best non single songs on this album and that's where I stand. Let's flip the record over or the cassette overt. Let's. Let's play a song by Mr T.. Tip Mr. A. With me Now. Okay I I WANNA. Hate the song but I cook a cook can't. As. The stupidest fucking horace a ever I just. I really don't want to like the song but for whatever reason I cannot not like it is a really good song. That's the core is stupid I'm sorry even when I listened to it the other Dan just like really if I came into a songwriting session two day and said Hey I got a chorus the lick it up like. Like people go nuts. Right like I just I'm just wild I. Mean Like I. Just WanNa whatever I just want to. Follow. I WANNA. Get you. View videos interesting because first of all, I didn't know that the lady playing the harp was like billy idol's girlfriend at the time I had no idea. So. That that's interesting Women. All over them, which is very eighties. five looking guys everybody's got their arms and legs still is that. I know I'm going to ask I know I'm GonNa have what do you want? To shake. The flock. Together man. I don't know why they're coming out of a whole. I don't get the whole dungeons and dragons thing I guess I don't get the video really but journal gets a lot of screen time and it's a good Song I. Just I WanNa hate it but I cannot. Why do you want to hate it? It's the song is spectacular by the way they're real and they're spectacular. Video adds to the the videos. Ridiculous but it's it's DEF LEPPARD. It's nine, hundred three. It's MTV. Why do you want to hate it? Why? Because of the chorus because he's like like fof Ui from Howard Stern. From before he. Babu Fafa we. Exactly. I mean, what are you going to say? It, it deserved to be a single deserve to be hit. Deserve to be video that was played endlessly fucking great song reason it's lead single the lead track off site to. A standout track for sure like like Sunny said, it was interesting to find out that billy idol's girlfriend playing with their eyes closed in it. Everybody remembers this video you know there's another song that we're going to get to with an even more eye conic video but fool infamy is obviously a standout track on this album. Phoolan by Mutt Lane Steve. Clarke. Joe Elliott. Phil, collen jumps back into the previous two songs Steve Clark was the lead. Guitarist. Phil. Collins. Back in the League guitars on this one, this song went to number twenty eight. Another buildup. For me more. Let's get into the video. Every we've talked both of you guys talk about Billy Idol's girlfriend in the joke. I. Barely the band said was because the lady had no is in the video and then they joe taw indeed a face without is like whatever making fun of the stupid eyes without a face song that billy idol was doing yup. Haw. anyways. The big thing that got me that was a conic and tell me if this got you. When you were younger, I'm ten years old at this time. It thought it was like the best fucking coolest thing is Steve Clarke plane his Acoustic Guitar taking the guitar thrown aside all gets the Gibson out all man that was so cool back then. The coolest image. cheesy. cheesy graphics I. Don't Know Cho- Elliott Dan is fucking tennis gear whatever the fuck he was wearing in that video with the white pants and a white wife beater that Kinda wearing is like going through a laser tag room June June. Was Walking through there. And then there's like that trap door part at the end where they all kind of pop up. That is the stupidest looking thing they all pop up in their arms right by their side looks. Stupid. Yeah. Hey was eighty-three. Just totally pitcher Steve Clark it looks like a fucking school photograph. Put your arms together and stand next to each other. Just. That imagery was just kind of. In the other thing I notice is interested in running trend in these videos and I forget about the hysteria videos but you notice that every fucking video like there's always a close up of the band face rick savage looks like he's GonNa Fuck and blow the microphone Oh. Yeah. Every picture of him is like his mouth is like like Italy opened up like he's GonNa suck down the fucking microphone. I don't know who's like, Hey, take this unflattering shot of the Bass player like blowing the microphone, and then there'll be the close up of again wearing his fucking Larry Bird fucking union jack shorts rick out in there. You know, and then it just an apparently joe out Joel Elliott burned his hand apart we tied down. Yeah. Yeah. He burned his hands when they like the graphics is supposed to blow up the thing that's holding hands down it was a little. Does he burned himself by the burn man? christel. Yes. Cowbell again. The vocals the harmonies again, and just another build up to that real awesome flashy solo and then boom right back into the song just enough to make you black. That's awesome. But Sunny is absolutely right. This is in any fucking boys are GonNa Rock Guitar Solo, in the middle of the song right is. This is what works and it's a great formula fill on his one knee. I thought that was like the like the coolest rock pose him on the knee your legs spread just playing that type of guitar just rocking out You know it's just it's it's amazing. The twin Guitars Rick in the Union Jack in just Joe Elliott screaming his lungs out quintessential image. And it just continued on the Song Great. Great. Song. So that's fooling I. Think we know the next Song Right Lebron welcome. College. Back. I have never played a record backwards I don't know if I need no Brezhnev has Herbie's like I don't care. In the middle of it, I don't know why bands did that at all I I just don't get it I. Think it's a great story with that whole winter gliding gladden Globe and and you know just Mutt being stupid after you know saying one, two, three, four, five, hundred times. So somebody can get in tune or whatever addict that's a great story but that whole the Cold War fucked the Russians. Backward stuff I don't. I don't understand all that I don't. Get it. I will say that the lyrics are pretty ridiculous now that I read them right the song work and addicts a great song there's no doubt about it. I don't understand the whole sword and stone moved in I. Don't know why the sword so big and then it turns into fills the car I don't I don't understand all that shit that I don't I don't know who the hell came up with that. Shit. I don't know if I needed to know fills. Ask, shakes when they turn them around like what the hell are they doing like I don't under- what's that got to do with? It's sunny. Have you ever seen? They're constantly eighties vein you exactly what they were doing. All that being said sting along stadium anthem no doubt new can feel a hundred thousand people at a soccer stadium singing this and have no issue It is one of the walk anthems of my lifetime really and it deserves to be top twenty on the billboard charts. No doubt about the song is just killer like sunny. Said, you know the video, another iconic video I think this is a little. Bit more eye contact and Phoolan, maybe not quite as iconic as photograph but the the imagery in video the song is just so goddamn catchy. It's bordering on a dance track when the when the versace kick in with that that beat that baseline what the as the song's melody starts out Joel Elliott says all right. I've got something to say it's better to burn out than to fade away. kind of referencing Neil Young's hey, you know that song. The song is it's you know sunny already covered you know some of the backward stuff you know the fuck, the Russians Bresnan has got hurt herpes. There's another report there's another report the the Joliet says, suck it. Also in there I've no idea what was going on with that. But the saw one of the catchy choruses to ever be laid down in the eighties just a killer song and anybody that love this album loves the video you know It's it. It was a hit in a standout in a memorable song for reason, just a classic for sure written by Lane Steve Clarke Joe Elliott Phil Collen. Lead Guitar went to number nineteen. that gun-toting leaving loughton Globe and is so iconic now yup, it's become a like a kind of a joke I remember everybody not knowing there's no connection and what the fuck does that mean what is that Hussein and obviously was muddling saying it but it's just silliness just gibberish I did not know about the whole Russian thing about Brezhnev. But I do know that he's not a very attractive man according to sign fill in the outing episode. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Is the most unattractive world leader. Living role time. Well it's all time and there's no contest it begins and ends with Brezhnev. Right. The famous line of it's better burn out than fade away. That's in Kurt cobain's suicide note any talks about you know probably being more of a Steve Clarke type a musician and you know keeping say that I'm not Freddie. Mercury I don't love to stage that I. Think this is what he's talking about. There's a lot of that synth drums kind of a thing on this stuff that I like this like or the or it sounded very much like the stroke by Billy Squire Mc that I couldn't describe it. So I asked our pizon friend Joe Kasa Joey Kasahda. About it like what is that sound? You know he gave me a fucking drummers thing I'm like fuck I can't even use whatever you sound I have no idea what he's talking about. And trying to be like what that's to be cynth-. Right. That is not a normal natural hitting the drum kind of noise. That's gotta be some sort of. It. It's an electronic snare Mutt Lang was having yeah. Alan use that a lot but it's really pronounced this song. Yeah. Absolutely. Right and the chorus is off the charts again, the vocal harmonies just off the charge. You know in the video again is just what the fuck is with that sword. That's big. Them combined he looks so silly and he's like Philly. Philly like swain one side, the other and I. This is when like that rock me tonight video got shit. That's not that far removed from rock meet tonight all yes and nothing's worse than rock Nov.. Swaying. ooh, that big ASS sword I mean I'm just saying. It's kind of bad. And then the monks in the videos giggling and. The Sarah. Palin you BETCHA. In the middle of. In the middle of this and then an awesome you'll flashy solo again by philcom and he's got the eighties whammy bar. Dalwin and stuff. But the big thing for me about this song I had this and I don't know if you guys have is a music I was in junior high. PYROMANIAC FOR A couple of years everybody had to bring one song to our mute classical music. He made everybody bring a record to play. I brought a cassette and I brought rock of ages to play this Guy Mr Stevens. Anybody who went to Ogden high school on junior high would play a song from everybody I was like I remember like, what am I gonNA play? That's not going to be like, I'm going to get humiliated. We're not going to be like ill you like this and I brought in rock of ages like I thought that was like the coolest down the road song that could bring in and I remember listening to look into just be like what the fuck is group. When it started range inch. Some Guy My brother tells me the story of the same fucking music. One. Time the guy came in when he had him in a kid came in this classical music teacher put. Judy. Breaking the law. Breaking the law breaking the law, he took the fucking record off and threw it plug out the window audit. Of all my years teaching this this is the worst song I've ever had to play from all my students. Can breaking up. So I knew then stories I was like Oh fuck what is he going to do this and he? He just let it play but this one has a special memory for me the video, the song the way just you know the classic you know syndrome there and everybody clapping along the eighties thing clapping the hands and just the base bass the drum in the singer gone awesome awesome job. Ready to go next one, one last little tidbit. So originally, rock of ages, it was a song without a course. In one day during recording for some reason, Joe Elliott spotted an open him him Hymnal Book Church Book an organ and right there in front of him was an old church him called rock of ages and he started singing like rock of ages like kind of humming that over the over the melody and Mutt Lang was like perfect go at that's going to be the that's GonNa be the song that's going to be the chorus. So another thing where we think these guys are geniuses and half the time they just fall into shit and ends up being one of the biggest songs of the decade. Though sometimes, you hear it. The simplest things makes the most brilliant at ready go onto the next one. Let's go last three songs start off with this one. Okay. Run. So this is the other song for me to kind of gets lost in the album, right? Like if this song is on euphoria or fucking slang or exer-, some of these album came out later in life for DEF leppard these would this song would have been the single right because those I'm suck and Contrast Tana Dynamics and it's got everything you want in a DEF Leppard Song. The problem is it's not photograph and it wasn't released as a single right in at some point you gotta stop releasing singles now not every. Act I guess followed that because there was some acts later on their release seven or eight singles off the same album, but I can't do that nineteen eighty. Rates on wish it would what I would have done with this one and stagefright is maybe make a bonus tracks on hysteria and it would have done even better like the you needed another chance but it's a great song. It's actually one of my favorites on the yeah, I agree with sunny another song that flies under the radar I know I know what zoo said early that nothing flies under the radar but in terms of singles, videos and songs that were released, this is a stand out I think even more so than stagefright. Huge huge song It's funny because this song gets oddly a considerable amount of play on satellite radio on some of the rock channels at which I think is great but it's kind of weird because it was it was never really a single you. That that that satellite radio would pile on the photograph and fooling and rock of ages but coming under fire and even die hard the hunter. Get a lot of play on satellite radio, which is nice to seek coming under fire is a spectacular song written by lanes do Clark I must say Willis. Show Elliott maybe you with thinking Bruce Willis. Can I just say die hard the hunter? Yeah, exactly. It became the. Steve Clark did the Solo on this one. The harmonies are off the charts I used to. Always I didn't know what that lyric was common like thunder because I can't tell. Joe. Elliott. Thank you were saying. Can Lock Fund something like that but I never understood it. I can't say enough. I can't describe it. It's a way. A Song makes you feel I think this song is brilliant I can't believe that it wasn't a single I am impressed and I do like the fact that it does go on and gets played on the radio and rock stations would always play the song as a favourite from this album that wasn't a single. Maybe people are like, aw, you like photograph. Yeah. It's cool to not like those hit song in throw this one out but this one is just I. Again, I can't explain it. It's just a song. The way makes you feel the lyrics to catchiness of it. The vocals are off the charts, the Chorus Guitar Solo as Usual Unbelievable Song Unbelievable Song Anybody WanNa anything we go into the next let's move on scope. Only So I have a theory about the song I will tell you that is completely made up. So you start getting emails about that can't be right. My guest is this song was called shocked me but since they didn't have make me feel better put on your black leather you know we can come together somebody said, you can't have a song called shock me like that. That's not gonNA work like Kazadi. Did that. So then they had on this course that honestly does not transition well to the song it just does not. So the first time you hear it through is like okay that didn't transition very well then you listened to it the second time to try. To. Transition a differently it didn't work again. So I don't the Song I. Don't know if it's a any like theme song I have no idea of trying to make a porno hair. I. Don't know what they're doing. They're okay. But the court does not work for me because it seems like it's forced almost like it was written last minute and and we got the exclamation point again I don't know it's action not words and I I don't know why but the songs meant to me look it's it's my Romania. So I'm not going to one hundred percent agree with sunny because it's pyromaniac, it's DEF Leppard. There's a reason why this is the second to last song on the album. Something has to be considered a weaker track. Everything's going to be the same a week or track that being said a listen to it because you're never gonna hear this anywhere else unless you manually try to play the song on the disk, your streaming or whatever because radio's never gonNA play this. But it is. It's it's definitely not top tier it's kind of difficult to have an album where every song is photograph or rock of ages, but I will listen to it. But like I said it a reason why it's the second to last song on the album. I am the playing the role of Sunny Pony. To this week. I absolutely love this song. Love it I can't get an hour. I know how you guys feel. You're right. Shock me shock me and again I didn't really realize it until I know not this time but recently when I got back into the album that. Shocked me that he is saying in in the lyrics and I just love you know pretty straightforward. Let Me Hey, let me. Let's do a little bit of filming of US doing a little bit that I, fucking. Yeah. Maybe me and you we could We could do some of that fucking. And it's guitar the Chorus I. Love It I love the harmonies I love the lyrics just just the right amount like get to that point where it almost kiss like but no, they stare it back. It's just you know I I just love I just loved the shock me shock may Oh just just perfect and it's catchy as faulk and it's one of those things that it didn't. I wasn't a favor track and it was probably one of my least favorite tracks on the album growing up as I got older in the past few years and I got I would listen to this is something that caught me in that happens from time to time we have an. Album that you love there's a track all the sudden you kind of overlooked, and then you like maybe was fresh tendrils to Tommy. Last week like the holy fuck this song like I I don't want to listen I want to listen to this on my own, not studying it for the episode but I WANNA listen to it it just it drew me in our love the song always kind of liked it, and then fell in love with at the past couple years. I won't drag this. I'm not sure if I told you was MUTT Lange in Steve. Clarke and Joe Elliott and Clark the Solo ready to hit the last one. Let's go. A pill. Burden. This song. Got A gun feels like a sister song to too late for love almost for me. Right is kind of the same feeling to it. It's honestly not as good at least to me. It doesn't matter what these are. We talked about it before this these backing vocals, it's almost like they could've sold the harmonize like make it oil. They basically did cushion I. got it all over two albums as the same damn backing vocals basicall-. I remember liking those two albums man the sounds like Def leppard. UPTO, it doesn't matter what song it is fitted in. The whole the songs about you know this whole subway, Guy Fidelity to the wrong people blah. We've heard that before the songs fine and I was raking the songs because we're in Tall Bala ranking later right and then I throw the the ranking and the pieces of paper on my chair because I think I'm done and then the last forty seconds came and wasted my life. So I went and grabbed the rankings and dropped a song another not. Because that last forty seconds is a waste of fucking time. So there you go. Sonny I agree with almost everything you said on that why did you waste my time? Was it like did they let one of their kids play with like the little drum machine? I. Don't understand what you're doing here. The song is okay to me I consider it almost a sister song to die hard the hunter in terms of like story wise like we talked about, you know the deer hunter I blood. Now you gotta be Billy's got a gun. Is it? You know the I kind of look at it like like it's a continuation of the story It's a little melodramatic for DEF Leppard Song. I like it. You know tons of keyboards. Again, you know the keyboards just off the rails on this again but like like we were talking about with action not words I it's Kinda like it's Kinda like when when when you look at like you know somebody going to medical school. Okay. Class of two thousand and twenty everybody's GonNa graduate with their medical degree. Somebody's gotTA finish. Last in that class right but there's still a doctor this still a doctor. So even the worst song on pyromaniac is still song on pyromaniac. There are no losers anymore everyone's a winner no matter what the game or sport or competition everybody wins everybody wins everybody gets a trophy. No one is a loser no child these days ever gets to hear those all important character words you'll lost bobby. Lost Your Lowe's there. Bobby. They miss out on that. They tell a kid who lost these days you were the last winner. So you're just talking about an excellent collection of songs, but something needs to be not the greatest and I think billy's got a gun. It's not a go to song for me I like it. But like I said, there's a reason action not words the second to last song is a reason bill. He's got a gun as the last song abilities got a gun by laying Steve Clarke Rick Savage Bruce Bruce. Heat Willis Show Allie Steve Clark did the Solo I like the song like I said, there's nothing I don't like a really liked the song choruses fantastic i. don't know what that skipping record is the last thirty second wound. Like just number nine, not everyone just tries to outsmart themselves with this nonsense I the thing that I want to ask Tommy's. Hearing what you're hearing when you say the keyboards overtop, this isn't my way by kiss? That's a fucking keyboard saying the keyboards are sold over the time the hearing it though they're all what the fuck is wrong with me there are certain sections of the song where the keyboards are so prominent that it's not like my way with his keyboards going throughout the entire song there are sections we can hearing the rolling keyboards and it's like wait a minute. This song was kicking ass until you through that in there listen to it again, you'll hear it. You'll hear it. Thomas dolby kicking the shuttle song. Science? Exactly. Exactly. And I think another good this nothing like ridiculously ridiculously bad lyrics on this album. Some are better than others. Some are simple, but they're pretty decent. There's nothing there's no fucking Bob. Dylan here on these unresolved, but it's a good rock album with lyrics weist. You're right. I again I don't. I would think this is more of a deep cut if there are any on it, but it's pyromaniac billy's got a gun ends the album and ends little songs for us to review overall thoughts before we start ranking the songs overall thoughts for me. It's a great album. The good stuff is classic huge hits DEF Leppard. Put them into the stratosphere until the next album others no There's no reason why somebody would not own this album and there's no reason not to listen to the album there. You know it's like Tommy, said, there's no super bad songs on this. There's a song I will listen to but none of these are half or like suicide or not that Shit I. Mean it's better than that stuff. Oh, still taking shots. ooh ooh ooh still getting shaken head what are you doing Those effects are a little bit to. Serve what? What are you doing? Yeah we're getting to the rock hard segment I'm getting ready. Okay. I. Think we were talking about the pussycat dolls too much. Sunny is dying. Got It. So photograph for me, I like I say other than kiss I would probably say this is probably my favorite album of all time in terms of listening to something for the longest I've been listening to since I was ten came out I will say this though this might sound kind of counter intuitive I think high and dry kicks more ask than pyromaniac I I. Think I think most people would agree with that I think it's a more hard rock album and I love high and dry I would put it right up there with pyromaniac think the pop sensibilities and like sunny has hinted at this before to the nostalgia fact of pyromaniac, the music that you grew up with the music you attach your childhood in the younger part of your life to sticks with you. So there's this nostalgia poring over this album for me and I think that's why it's I hold it closer to me than I do high and dry the song kicks ass but hydride just rips. And Dry right now. But Pyromaniac for me very few albums if any will will top this for me in terms of you know that rock music era yeah. I'll stay the same thing Tom probably the most played album I've ever owned I destroyed that Cassatt I've listened to this album gazillion times I love it all the way through I never skip it when I play. I'm not sure if I like it I mean, that's how much I love DEF LEPPARD is if I like it as I I'm not sure if I like high and dry pyromaniac more I've more finished because hindsight is not as popular as pyromaniac. So I tend to be thinking, Oh, I'm cooler because I like that but It could go either way. They're both just even hysteria off the charts. I can't wait to get to the ratings. I've said enough, it's the blueprint, my musical tastes the rest of my life Bingo and that nostalgia is I'm not sure we can do anything close to the nostalgia pyromaniac for me for any album coming up perfectly said I think I haven't gone I with songs yet. Okay. So why don't I go first who wants to go second I'll go second sonny your last. Yes. Sonny, Sonny bad list pootie. I might get it this time Tom, my list, and again I'm going to start off this is my number ten like if we never put numbers to these songs so I don't think I would put anything under. One through ten I don't think I would put anything under seven on this Oh meaning I would probably put most of the songs eight or nine in a couple of tens. So that's where I'm at on this study Sonny's making a face. So at number ten, which would probably three or four anywhere else I'm gonNA. Put stagefright. Oh God he starting off he is playing the role of sunny bad list. I told you. But you heard how I prefaced everything right. But go ahead number ten for me is bill got a gun. So. I'm still getting over the stage fright. Okay. Number ten for me is bill got a gun number nine for me. Billy's got a gun number nine for me is action not words number nine for me is action not words. Over there. a number eight for me too late for love what is going on here? Up on him now on purpose of boy. All right number eight for me is rock rock till you drop for me as die hard the hunter. Number seven for me Phoolan. Thank God. I have to laugh because I'll cry if I don't number seven for me is die hard the hunter. For me is Rob Rock till you drop await rock rock to drop. That's number six for me. Okay. Number six for me is rock of ages. Okay, six for me it is fooling of fuck. It's so six number five for me photograph. CLA, and everybody will see next week. People already stopped listening. That's true. Number five for me is too late for love number five for me is coming under fire. All right number four for me die hard the hunter four for me stage fright will. For or from is too late for love three for me rock of ages three for me coming under fire three for me is rock of ages. This is where I'm. GonNa. fucking. Number two for me action. Not Words. Now, this is like a parody account right now. How. How this were okay. To for me is fooling to for me is stage. Fright. Number one for me coming under fire. All right. You Redeem yourself with that number one for me photograph no doubt and number one for me is photograph no doubt. Oh. My goodness. I can't believe more in line with sunny than. Mantaro you know that's amazing. Wow. Aren't. So the top three number three was conveyed ages two was coming under fire one was photograph, and then you know if we didn't have Zeus, we'd ever better lists. Star I go along with the Colt. All look at me on different I have action. But Zoo. So alternative. I am crazy I like this album before everybody else. I like all through the night better than all these albums cooler than you. Moist. Yeah. So I have mine picked we always do album covers and we do albums themselves. So what is let's stay in the same order I put Oh, you eight, one, two. Okay. So wait a minute Oh, you ate one to pyromaniac superunknown slided in appetite for destruction those are the five albums we reviewed. You just said Oh. Okay. Sorry go ahead pyromaniac superunknown. Oh you eight one, slide it in appetite for destruction. Okay. As far as album covers go my fifth best on that is eight one two yup. Okay. Well, time to Sun but Tom yeah me too art. So my fourth best is super unknown Tom me to. Bree Wow. Let's stop and end. There will never be this again what is happening? Number three for me is pyro mania number three for me is. Why Number three for mused appetite. Number three's appetite aches number two for me slide it in number two for me is pyromaniac number two for me as pyromaniac number one is appetite me to. Still got slighted in. Okay. I'm not gonNA argue with that I mean. It's an awesome album cover for sure. No doubt. Now, the rankings, this is when it gets tougher the actual number five for me as far as what is your favorite and what's the best album of those five pyromaniac super are known. To slide in appetite number five for me and I liked the album but number five, easily all you eight one to me to number five easily for me it could be number eighteen scooper or not. That's never that's never not going to be the last album for sunny. Odd. Number Four for me and this is. Probably one of my favorite albums slide it in. Yeah I'm. So. We get slided in power Menia appetite. All right. We're already have super super known alright. So four. Yeah I think I had yeah. Slighted in for four from us. Oh you eight, one, two, three for me. Super known me also super three three for music pyromaniac to for me tight. That's too know I I was I wished the day never came or somebody asked me to rank which one is better pyrometer appetite for destruction because it's like picking Faber better, I know. This is I I'm going to go I mean it's like one a I can't. I can't pick him because it's two of the greatest albums of all time but something needs to be one something needs to be too. I'M GONNA have to put appetite at number two and I, have appetite at number two. Okay number one and I and again it's close but not really for me it's pyro mania I think it's closer for me. That is for you I don't think I don't think in these album rankings anything will ever get closer than pyromaniac appetite for me I mean there's like a sliver separating the two of them one unfermented stills slighted in. Co slided in an appetite for me, our desert island and pyromaniac. Not I agree that this this this this list is going to get tougher for us. We're GONNA stop picking albums that are near and dear to us. So the rankings of going to be tough but you're right I mean I have slide it in fourth, and that's one of my favorite albums of all time. So it's a tough one for Sharia. So I believe Tommy you're next, we don't know what it is. You're next with the next bonus albums all be interesting to see what he picks You know at this time somebody gets rock-hard is all three of us I don't know. who wants to go first although I o sunny. GOPHERS on you go. All right. So this time around I'm GonNa go with something a TV show or series I should say I know everybody's everybody's looking for stuff to watch. So I stumbled on this on net flicks it was originally on the paramount network in Netflix's picked it up it's a six part miniseries it's not a documentary it's got actor's Hollywood made and it's Waco six episodes about the Waco siege it is. fucking believable television. The story is I mean everybody WHO's our age? You know the story of Waco, you were we. We saw it on TV we lived through it It is amazingly made the the actor they got play David. Koresh for anybody is a fan of the TV show Friday Night Lights, which is one of the greatest TV shows of a made the kid who played riggins in Friday night lights plays David Koresh. He's unbelievable. Okay the story I it you know it starts off with Ruby Ridge the if anybody's familiar with that and how it led to. Waco the failures of the federal government it's just it's it's riveting six episodes. I can't str- I can't recommend it enough on Netflix Waco. Wow Sunny. Yeah. I'm more of the documentaries like if they're music I, watch them if it's like about a brand name like millions of I'm watching that right now that kind of stuff like Chernobyl in Waco that stuff scares me it's a little too real yo like I've not watched any of the nine one the nine eleven, movies, the flight, whatever ninety three while I watch. Any of those movies because there's a little too real to me. So I usually go to sitcoms or like stuff that's on network tv and I came across as show called good girls about It's honest. It's going it's on its third season right now and it's basically about three suburbian women in Michigan data sick of life tough them. So they decide to rob a supermarket because it was easy because it was easy to start doing other things do another things and then they end up working for this drug kingpin it's got. A bunch of actors that nobody really knows to be honest with you. None of these guys are light mainstream Christina Hendricks, may we know? Wilson, Manny Montana like people don't know these people. They're all good actors though and the reason why I recommend it is there's one thing if you get somebody like me because I'm always looking for something like this but he got my seventeen year old girl and she been watch all the seasons caught up with me like the two days she was so into it so they've got something that connects. To teenagers to which I was surprised cold. It's a bit show is called the girls and it's on NBC Nice Schmidt isn't it? Like have like non redeeming characters? Aren't? They like all fucking like doing degenerate things? No not not I mean they're doing bad things because obviously the ripping off people and stuff like that. But at the horror of it, like one of the ladies husbands is a cop right and he's he's fighting against okay. We'll do I want to be a bad guy or do you want to be a good guy? For. Let me show. You can bring your fucking finger. A site. That's a bad guy. And he ends up helping one of the leaders get out of trouble. So now he's a bad guy kind of right. So they're always kind of fighting this. I just want to be a mom and get by in society is not allow me to. So I have to go into these other things to get by kind of like breaking bad. Yeah a little say. Wow. So I had I I'm like always scrambling to think of something I my mind twice from this episode of what I'm going to discuss. But you know what? I'm going to discuss something that is popularly Cassani just put it into my head. And when we talk about episodes that go to episode when there's nothing on TV for me is always a law and order episode and right now law and order Svu just finished twenty first season I used to do i. add a spreadsheet wants to make sure that I've seen every law and order in law and order Svu and I had it and I would cross it off. If I've seen, I've seen every episode I've seen so many law and order episode I've seen where a guy will play a judge he'll play the defense attorney he'll play the fucking victim. He'll play the fucking like prosecutor he'll play everything throughout the whole like all series it's amazing. I just finished watching I caught up I saw the last episode episode twenty one. They were going to do episode twenty two. But because of what's going on, they never filmed it in the reason why I'm bringing up law and order Svu is because my favorite is coming back and that is Chris Merloni. He's coming back as Elliot Stabler, and he's going to have his own spinoff with his own new segment of a cop or something, and they were supposed to have his daughter in his wife Beyond episode twenty two to be like the buildup for what's to come and I'm so pissed now I don't know what that was gonna be and I absolutely love him I love law and order I. Still Watch it to this day. Just you know I don't know Benson. She's looking so good these days but she just you know. She's got a little bit of annoying in this too much of the character stuff and build up. It's not the old by the book show the fucking crime, show the the the the investigation, then bring it over to one of the smoking hottest women ever. That would never get along in a fucking office ever one of those hot as it probably got. So sexually harassed it's not even funny. and. Then they solve the crime now it's too much filter in Oh is an Olivia Benson. A real hero and stresses annoying thing where she whispers body to the characters and it's so fucking annoying if that like that Pacino thing that he picked up along the way where he raises his voice and it just to stop doing that she does it just watch any. In the last ten years watch which. Like, this and you're like, fuck me doing that for But every one of those eighty as were on that show, that's my that's another spice girls episode. I could do that with you guys all day long. Oh my God but I just love it and I'm so excited to see stabler come back because he was the best part of that show and I, don't give a shit how much they try to pump it up as Ma Murga haggas gay whatever the fucking caller name as her the star it was fucking bad ass stabler and I'm excited to see how that goes. So that's are you matter to me slash now you make me rock hard segment and and so guys sunny. Where can we find you grown up rob dot com we got everything that we've done so far there things about one hundred and sixty episodes probably somewhere in there I think and then podcast city we're doing all his podcast. So life is good there. Yeah. You anything new on Grownup rock you want you and your partner. Steven. Doing recently we just did a interview, Aaron Lee the basis for wind t which was great and you know we've been we do some themed episodes or do some interviews. So we keep a pretty loose there. We just did all. While did an interview with a female guitar player can't tell you about yet because it's not out yet but that was pretty fun So you know trying to keep a loose. Nice. Cool. Tommy us. Yet we're on all the social media's you know that twitter facebook Instagram podcast is everywhere were part of the Great Pantheon podcast family so Any way you get your podcast, you can hear us we're on pretty much every or most of the popular outlets there. Check US check out our buddy ed from click teashop for some cool shouted out loud cast gear and Also kiss inspired gears. Well, cool stuff there we love our buddy Ed Spungen bird from click teashop dot com. Yeah and so. One of the things we usually do is you know we always say the email I, always like to repeat it a couple of extra time. Shout it out. Loud cast gmail.com, shut it out loud cast at gmail.com. We read your emails. We'd love them. We have a couple sunny gonNA read a couple of emails that we got back on our previous episode me and Tom GonNa read some twitter and facebook comments. Well in we love the interaction is keeping up in. Please give us one of those five spar. Child reviews on. I tunes pod chaser. We've been getting a lot of those recently so we really appreciate it and it's a great big help to us. We get a kick out of the emails. Let's start with those first. Sonny you got a couple of emails. You WanNa read force. Yeah. So this one's titled Adam and Eve and it says us from Save Rock but I think earlier we said some Save Rock and metal but anyway says, Hey, guys first of all who the fuck flips of. Who flips a kiss card? Why don't you guys don't have a queen wooded are the gets the law in Boston I'm GonNa tell you why real quick because we were completely unprepared and I'm going to admit that. All right. If you want me to come up with some clever story as to why we flip the kiss card, that's why we did it and it was. So. Our Buddy say rock metal says, do you idiots? No. This Siri could have done that for you. Yes. Also time for some time for some honesty I had never ordered from Adam and eve. But after hearing sunny, do the commercial on the last bonus episode. I bought myself a ring guy won't tell you what kind of ring I'll God okay. Why did sunny entice me to buy because I never heard the commercial sound that sexy oh cadets that's. Newman I'm a Guy Oh aid. Is a guy just sunny knows who he's attracting rumor is he only attracts sixty road red headed women, which is a rumor. That's true. My personalized. So this motherfucker knows me. But that's not true anymore. Absolutely loving the bonus episodes wish you guys would do two or three a month. There's plenty of albums to go round I dunno if we could do two or three a month but thanks for your email appreciate that for sure absolutely. Yes and I'm glad that I entice you to buy a ring of some sort. Anyway. Teddy Barnes writes soundgarden. Best best episodes so far you guys need to seriously consider bringing sunny on as a permanent third for your kiss podcast to I know has another podcast where it doesn't stop the other fat fuck from doing it. mentioned. As he mentioned you. The fat is but I'm gonNA leave it alone. Yeah. Anyway. That could be one of many. deuces ranking were the best on this one bullshit have to agree with sunny those spoon men rocks yes. On the only song I play at a dinner party if there ever such a thing again. God No. We got a kick out and that sacked faulk censorship. At, at the edit that out. See. There's somebody out there with many podcasts. Yeah. Do the kiss podcast. Wonderful without me I don't need another fulltime kissed podcast. Giggled for sure Nice while you're we appreciate that feedback in those those kind words or maybe not. So kind words I don't know. All right. You were the fat fuck you was talking about. Better. One thirty fucking podcast. It's out there. That is true. Unfortunately that is true. All right. So we got some feedback from facebook frigging hilarious. This made me laugh out. Loud. So this is from Adam Nick Meyer on facebook he goes. Wow. Ruin a great podcast with trash music puke. Responded with thanks for listening. He goes always guys and then our buddy grand richly jumps into the conversation and he goes Adam. That was painful. Thank God Sonny is saying and called that shit out Kudos for shouted out loud cast doing it. I will listen to anything those guys discuss unless they do another soundgarden. Is. And then we got another one from facebook from a crazy Fan Kevin. Jepsen. He goes what the fuck sunny poon do it can't it can't all be why in t? Evans. A cool guy of met him a couple of times. and. He Says Fun Listen Guys I love listening to the disgust the other person has. Assault. fucking hilarious. My number one would have been fell on black days. So that's some face that some facebook feedback awesome stuff. Oh my God I love it. So I'm going to read some twitter ones. This is from Stanley lives for you. This album is only about two-thirds right one third is really bad sunny definitely had the most righteous ranking these bonus episodes are wonderful. Have a blessed. Sunday then you felt the need to write us another one today I. Love this. This episode was he must listen to it again or something from Stanley lists for you. This episode was long but I was laughing so hard that it was worth listening every minute someone tell the to fuck does that spoon in is the best song on the album I love it when Zeus gets angry. I'm glad I find it amusing. USED TO I am A. Funny. How funny like I'm a clown you? I make you laugh. I'm here to fucking him you. What do you mean? Funny. Funny. How Funny? So. Our Buddy Graham richly hit us on twitter as well. Thanks guys. Now I know why the album is called super unknown. It is super known how anyone can voluntary listen to this shit It was painful just listening to the snippets sludgy boring just head shaking Lee sad sunny is my hero for calling out the emperor's new clothes. Stop at Graham. So Sunny, we don't always just give you the shit ones about you. This one you're winning. Okay. Buddy in light of your rights like suicide has always been my favorite track off smart man Yup Darren Seventy one, we will have to agree on that one L. O. L. I. Think both albums a great but nothing on. Super unknown has the fire of rusty cage. I think we were talking about, yeah. A bad motor finger Jesus Christ poser slave in bulldozes. I love that you guys enjoy grunge I was right at that age where I live both genres, and that's the thing me and Tommy are both in this. Our buddy dues wrote think this is great. Head down is the bullying of this album. That's awesome. That's how buddy half is the boomerang. Deuce also had written here. Agree with Zeus Chris Cornell's vocals make this album. What would be crap song is a damn good in what would be a good song is freaking awesome because his vocals by the way I'm with sunny I don't like a lot of grunge but love this then I good friend Donna chain is sexy. That's twitter handle out there specs man without a doubt honestly half of this album shit great episode though your best so far let's do a Saxon how. Why you asked I have no idea dude Donna. Sexy is definitely your partners. Burner Account Burner Account Saxon then he jumps in. Donna. Chang is sexy. Stephen. Michael Oh I forgot please tell zoos to stop singing what key is e singing in. anyways ll busting seuss's balls. I don't know how to sing and that is obvious but more importantly I don't care that you don't like my singing. So a Dick anyways on that happy note any comments about the comments? Yeah. You forgot a good one buddy deuce gave me some props to he talks about fresh tendrils. He said I agree with Tom. It's one of the best deep cuts on the album. That's right. Baby and I have that. Underneath he will fresh tender pink Floyd Not Getting that have to agree with Tom one of the best. Yeah. You should I had it both on the same one that he had read the comment on the but he's right who the fuck said. Fresh tendrils is pink floyd. That's a Marauder at remember that. Probably Santiago Sunny ready was that he saw heard it on a different. Ridiculous rock record reviews but they're not stupid. They're right? Yeah. Ridiculous. That's why they're. That's why they're show is called written wrong record ahead exactly when it went like this. Guy. This. Is Ridiculous. This is ridiculous. I'm Ki. I'm teasing I've actually listened to the four genes teasing. fucking a hole in the wall. If can't take a joke that we just and said that that's ridiculous flock. Yeah exactly I. Get. Loose, angry. So yeah. Fended that we said that that's a fucking ridiculously stupid comment doesn't sound much. Floyd I think it's funny that people got home fucking bent out of shape over US and Supernova. That's those people that can fuck off. Because we have to Saxon next yeah denim and leather coming soon to you. The next up grim reaper Another fucking short episode for us. That inset sunny do you have any famous last words lady luck never smiles. So lend your love to me a while. Do with me what you will you can use the items to bought it at an me dot com. And break the spell take their fill I added that other part if you don't know oh you Dan okay. I. Thought it was the original Joe Elliott penned lyrics. Go. To something dot com nineteen eighty-three. Roma's a beer lover if you were there. Put. You heard on me if you dare. Such a woman. You got style. You make every man feel like a child. Oh. Dice. Dice could've done I wanNA touch you could have done that to. You said Khurda. German housemaid. have. Somebody. WHO's bright idea was to to put the sponsorship for just little Israeli boy and his name was Belau and bullets. Picture. Up On our wall in our fucking flint. And be like, oh would you like to raise? Money Allow. What did it? Say. GROUT sodas. East. and. Now, there's a running back for the New York jets named Bell Powell and I can't take it seriously every time I see him. Reason, we would equate the fuck and bill how guy with a German housekeeper going. Have this imaginary. Onto Raetchi inappropriate relationship. FUCKING Stupid. And Chats. Tommy, and every time we watch. All. Right wrap it up. I gotta get myself. A. Second best song on the album. I'll be the hero. You be the star. With your wine and your. Caviar. No Audition, a starring role. I'll be your bogart and you be Monroe. Nice. Yes. Sunny. Thank you Tom Thank you kiss army loud casters. Thank you sunny. Thanks so much for joining us as always a lot of fun. Great time talking my favorite album with two of my favorite people. Thanks for being there. And great great time and always have fun with this. Awesome peace out girl Scout. Hey. This is mark from performance anxiety here on the Pantheon podcast network. 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