40 Burst results for "ISIS"
Fresh update on "isis" discussed on Ben Ferguson
"And I'm calling about any teacher union or politician that that isn't fighting to return to the classroom because teachers are essential workers and May I share something? Sean, go ahead. Okay, so not too long ago, I'm walking up and down the aisle as the students are doing their work and 1/3 grade boy, Super Quiet, Really sweet little boy tapped my arm. He lifts up the bottom of the leg of his sweatpants. And he shows me a red welk across his cat. He didn't say a word. He just went back to his work. And it was heartbreaking, Sean. So I called Isis that day, and it's like Department of Children Services. Correct. Yes, that's correct. They came. They took him and his little brother out of that house. And they don't give you you know, like a state on on the case, so I didn't know what was going on about two weeks later..
ISIS-claimed attack on Afghan prison leaves dozens dead
"Siege siege that that a a government government official official says says left left at at least least 39 39 people people dead dead and and freed freed nearly nearly 400 400 of of their their fighters fighters before before security security forces forces restored restored order. order. A A provincial provincial official official says says At least 10 of the dead were Iess militants. Who staged the jailbreak at the prison in Jalalabad. The rest were believed to be prisoners, Civilians and Afghan forces. Lawyers for Manhattan D A Cyrus events junior, tell the judge they were justified in demanding
Fresh "ISIS" from KCBS Radio Midday News
"The news first. This is looking like a police action right now. No cars air getting through were the only radio station always broadcasting live from the Bay Area. We're piecing together there's a stolen vehicle involved there. People seen running from the vehicles. And so now they've got both sides absolutely stopped. It's one more reason. Why were the Bay Area's number one news station? All news all the time on KCBS. When local news breaks. Developing news out of Oakland and the firing of Oakland police chief and Kirkpatrick tonight when national News breaks former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg has qualified for tomorrow's Democratic presidential debate, when global news breaks growing concern that the outbreak could be dire consequences for the whole of Europe. You're first on KCBS. With the new iPhone SC for less than 100 bucks at Metro, You rule. It's the most affordable eyes bone on the number one Brandon Prepaid, whether you're studying online or feast dining. Hey, Mom, the iPhone. ISI has all you need to switch to Metro and get the iPhone ISI for 99 99 after rebate, redemption and six months of service with auto pay Metro by C Mobile rule your.
ISIS-claimed attack on Afghan prison leaves many dead
"Fighting in the eastern Afghan city of Jalalabad is said to be ongoing, with Islamic state militants continuing to fire on Afghan security forces from a residential neighborhood. The fighting began last night with Islamic state attack to prison. The Afghan military, meanwhile, says it has regained control of the prison. However, hundreds of prisoners are believed to remain at
Fresh "ISIS" from Ben Shapiro
"Stand on Kuroda virus or cracks down as Corona virus. Isis continued asking legal in Illinois News is coming up. But first the W L is for the Channel forecast warming things up for this weekend in Chicago, knocking on the door of 90 degrees by Sunday, 80 this afternoon, 66 tonight mid eighties tomorrow in upper eighties near 90 Sunday interview showers Monday and 87 From the Weather Channel meteorologist Scott Lawrimore Wools a 90 with another.
ISIS-claimed attack on Afghan prison leaves at least 21 dead
"At least 21 people are dead in Islamic state attack in a president eastern Afghanistan that holds hundreds of his group's members, local officials say doesn't S'more have been wounded in the attack that began in late Sunday when I was a suicide bomber slammed his explosive laden vehicle into the prison entrance. Then more assailants opened fire with deadly effect. The dead have included prisoners, civilians. Prison guards on Afghan security personnel Theis Scoops affiliate in Afghanistan has claimed responsibility for the attack. The country has seen a recent spike in violence with most attacks claimed by the affiliate. I'm Charles, the
Fresh update on "isis" discussed on Brian Lehrer
"Queens. 40 tickets from your friend Palace. Must have been about 12. Midnight and young Mexican kid. Ah, wasn't a bicycle. And a cab came from out of nowhere and just ran him over in the cab took off. Now, when I jumped up with jumped up, all his friends came and they took it that we're taking him away. They were trying to prop him up. And he couldn't stand up. So they kind of let him going. He hit his head against again against the pavement. Ridiculous. Super hurt and we were trying to please call an ambulance and they were like, No, No, no, no, no, no, Senora, Don't worry about that. He lives somewhere over here. They took him away. And it dawned on me that this young man was going to die. But he might have been here illegally and they did not want to take him to the hospital. Dick was afraid that if you revived they would have deported him. So they prefer to kind of like, take him somewhere, and hopefully maybe they'll find some sort of acute for him. But this is what Isis does to people. We don't really know how many people are living here and when they get hurt, and when they die, and if there Because people are hiding from Isis. So when you're doing the sense there are a lot of people were living in the shed in the shadow because they just cannot put themselves out there even one day longer over by a can. Yes, hiding from ice, which for people may be in the position of The poor kid you were talking about might be more of an imperative and hiding from Isis. But thie The and imagine if people and we know this happens that people declined to get health care that they need because they're afraid that They're undocumented immigration status is going to catch up with them by having any kind of contact with the system. Andan. Imagine how much that must deter people from filling out their census forms. Precisely so with senses. I don't know. Maybe they're missing Maybe. Ah, quarter off the population in New York City, because I am I was in New York City teacher. I worked in that area. I visited many schools here and I'm going to the school. There were most of the kids were from another country and not necessarily born in the United States. I'm very familiar with the area and do something like that, and to see how they just carted him away and not want to get medical camp for him. It was well. It sounds absolutely horrible and traumatic and I appreciate you calling in because people it's obviously hard for you. What an emotional, horrible think even be a witness to And yet people need to hear these stories because That's how prevention is goingto happen. Um, Michelle last question. Did you fill out your census form? I did that. I think Two months of always away Now we've got on my friend. Please call us again. Okay. Thank you. And listeners. How about you if you Are an immigrant from anywhere. What should everyone else know about how covert 19 is affecting your community? And how trump responses to Cove in 19 on immigration policy are affecting your community. 646435 70 to 80 and Victoria in Harlem. You're on w N Y. C. Hi, Victoria. Thanks for calling. Hi. Good morning, Brian. Good morning. So you have a story to tell. Yes. So I moved to New York seven years ago from Ukraine. I worked for the U. N. And then I.
Islamic State attack on Afghan prison, killing 21, rages on
"An Islamic state group the tack on a prison in eastern Afghanistan holding hundreds of is members rages on after getting at least twenty one people in fighting overnight local officials say dozens more have been wounded in the attack that began late Sunday when an ISIS suicide bomber slammed his explosives laden vehicle into the prison entrance then we'll assailants opened fire with deadly effect the dead included prisoners civilians prison guards on Afghan security personnel the I. escapes affiliates in Afghanistan has claimed responsibility for the attack the country has seen a recent spike in violence with most attacks claimed by the affiliate I'm Charles the last month
Fresh update on "isis" discussed on Joe DeCamara and Jon Ritchie
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Dallas - Man Charged With Murder Of 7-Year-Old Brother In Haltom City
"Haltom City Man is facing a capital murder charge in the stabbing death of his seven year old brother, You said Roberto Bruno was formally charged this morning and the death of his brother, seven year old Jacob Gabriel, Britta. Jacob was found dead in his home last night about 9 45 by police said Ro was found near the house with what police chief Cody Philip says appears to be self inflicted Stab wounds. After a trip to the hospital, ISI draw was put in jail and is being held on 1/4 of $1,000,000 bond.
Trump wants to ban Tik Tok
"Actually let's talk a little bit about Tick Tock today I performed this morning. An Act of rebellion. I downloaded installation talk on my iphone because who knows how much longer I'll be able to do it it's very confusing I don't know what's going on. Tick Tock, which is owned by the Chinese company Bite Dance Safest that committee. Or foreign investment in the United. States apparently is investigating I. Think they actually issued a ruling saying that like, wow away tick tock was a threat to the United States One of the ways tiktok became really big as by acquiring a couple years ago musically, which is really I think from what I see on. tiktok kind of the backbone of what Tick Tock is these days, which is lip synching or acting or dancing to an original track It's it's very entertaining. It's a it's probably the most engaging social network out there. But apparently, it's a threat to our way of life. On Friday the president on Air Force One. said that he was about to ban it as soon as yesterday. From the United States I'm not sure under what law safest can do it I think. But I don't know if the president can by executive order banning application. then for the last week Microsoft Been. Negotiating to buy the American rights to talk to kind of create a tick tick Tock America that would be separate from the Chinese bite. Dance. TIKTOK. But then the president says I'M GONNA ban it but I don't want anybody to buy it. So, micro-. Microsoft said. Threw their hands off and said figure it out and there. They didn't end the conversation with bite dance. Apparently, they were fairly close but they're not forwarding it until they find out what happens I'm GonNa make a prediction. Nothing is going to happen except now people are going to download and use TIKTOK. Brianna is tick tock a threat to national security. It's not a unique threat to national security. We need to have a conversation about the kinds of information social media APPS are able to download from our phones. We all remember the scandals of facebook on android downloading your tire phone list gang everyone you've ever called. We need to have a conversation about that, but there's there's really no evidence that what Tiktok is pulling is any greater than what you know facebook instagram these other social media sites are. Pulling so far. So we need a wider discussion about that. How's it just want to say I wish I could tell you this was just trump in the Republicans that would make me very happy. My heart broke today to see Chuck Schumer on the Sunday morning shows advocating the same thing tech talk. So you know it's it is we need to have a conversation about national security and the amount of information were giving up but it's I think. To just focus on TIKTOK. Sign of. Phobia. Or Zena Phobia Paris, you seem like a Tiktok user. I that's only because you're younger than. I. Did recently re downloaded when this whole. Wanted to make sure that I had it. I'm sure is a common response. I agree with everything the Brown said in the sense that I don't know I've been particularly disturbed by. The reactions to take talks, data collection both from the left and right and just. Experts in the tech field generally over the past couple of months because it is definitely coming from a place of seeing phobia. I mean, we have so many different. American. Made APPS that. Do many of the same things I mean one thing that I've seen noted quite often as to talk has the ability to see what you've. You know copied near Clipboard when guests so do most of the apps you have on your phone. Is Operatives. It's not a tiktok specific problem. This came up because of Iowa's fourteen, which is in public Beta now so people are suddenly using it and dozens of applications. I. Think must be a library that they all subscribe to infect somebody a couple of weeks ago. Somebody told me that it was. Ad Library I use of what a clearly noninvasive program from panic software Call Code editor, which lets me log into my Server. with SSh and and edit files and things like that and it was. I got the same thing that you get on Iowa's fourteen O, coders looking clipboard every time I typed to character. Now I don't think coded only panic software famous for an FTP program and this H. Program is at spying on me obviously, they're not. they're using the same code library. So it's a, it's a, it's a bug. That's what Lincoln Microsoft's linked in said as well. So. I think it's also just one of those things where if you're building an APP especially in. The Tom I. Don't know there was a time when absence of for being built were there wasn't this conversation about security and privacy. Why would map designers not take the position of? Yeah. All the things maybe we'll need that information talk said quite credibly. We're just looking to see if you put a url on your clipboard so we can pasted in. That seems credible I. Don't know if you need to do it every single time I type of character that seems like more that book I can tell you firsthand from developing an Iowa it's often easiest just to get it submitted to the APP store to take a bunch of permissions and It's just it's like you're trying to debugging in. Store, to accept it is just quirky. I can't tell you how many times I in other APP developers have. Just it's a very, very quirky system. So I, think this is just in Beta. I think it's really important to point out as far as the impetus for this I personally do not think it's a coincidence that tiktok was widely credited for disrupting trump's Tulsa rally a couple of weeks ago and Sarah Cooper is so famous for she's making five star she's she's amazing and those videos are brutal to trump and I I don't. That's a coincidence. She does trump limps licks lip sync. And I was talking to a friend said you know is the trump on TV I can't understand what he's saying but then I watched Cooper and that makes sense Sarah ads expressions and Gestures and all kinds of makes sense all of us and so I don't think the president should be so quick to to not like Sarah purchase he's adding context Might have something to do with it certainly in his mind because we know. You know. I don't know what he's going to do to Cape Pop stands because they were the other the other group that apparently figured out that you could register took on trump's team has got to be wise enough to know you can't take on the capons stands. Being. The capon stands the United States would crumble. Yes. That would be it would be over right. You just can't win against the K pop stands So. They were both advocating people sign up for the Tulsa Rally and not not show and Honestly the fault lies with Brad Par Scout trump's former campaign manager and his campaign team for believing all those registrations and building a giant outdoor stage. Giant parking lot so that the millions of people who are going to be coming because they all registered would have somewhere to be, and then I loved. Well, I shouldn't say that that sounds partisan was interesting to see the one person with the baby stroller in that giant area and the rest of the arena half full or third full So I could see why he might be a little angry about that. Is there. No, Matt. And I'm not putting you in the position of speaking for the government I want to say that in fact, we should have said that. That Nazi for the. Federal government but you also having worked Akiko Google you understand how you know a little bit about how this stuff works the the there's not any proof that while way for instance, has ever done anything. Particularly Evil they've done some commercial espionage apparently, but nothing could particularly evil but there's the potential if they run the entire five G. Network that at some point, they could inject malicious software to the network or shut it down. Is What could Even even sounds stupid asking it. What could take time do? It's the forbidden APP. If you think about it if you don't have it on your phone, it could disappear at any time. No I think it's it's less about that although you do see companies like Amazon saying, Hey, on your work phone or work device please don't install. And they did it. Because they realize Oh we do business with these guys. Let's not this them off but wells Fargo did that I think the Department of Defense I don't know about you sds, but it's reasonable if you've got a company phone. Probably shouldn't have facebook or instagram on it either you right? Yeah. I keep my twitter and all that stuff very far away from work phone. It's my it's my personal account, but you know it's I can understand why people want to have just a a sense of okay. Let's be careful. Let's see what's going on and then You know just making sure that you can depend on the. Tools all the way down reflections on trusting trust. You can put things into a compiler, which then you can remove it from the source code and turns out that thing can stay in the compiler for years and years and years. So you know you don't WanNa be load bearing on any particular technology that you can't quite vouch for his guesses what people are thinking, what would be the legal? How could a president ban an APP in the United States I was thinking about this in the one thing the United States government is very effective at is We we we went after Isis in I sell at a very effective way instead of this Ip address to a recruitment site you can't access it. So my my guess would be the executive order would basically grafter the ISP's and say you can't go to this particular ISP but think about that I know of VPN products is sponsor show sponsored mind and to know how few seconds would take the average teenager together VPN account to just keep their tiktok going. Yesterday I downloaded the tiktok cap the first video that came up credit account 'cause I forgot my previous password was a if Tiktok it's banned. Here's how to get around it. You don't Vpn you can go into the settings, your phone, change your country of origin to Canada and then You're great. Exactly I mean it's not enforceable basically So I mean one thing Leo I think. Matt and I would probably agree that we do need to. I don't know if it's more oversight from the point of sale like on the APP store or Google play I I don't know if it's kind of an External Code audit policy for these kinds of APPs on their own by countries I. Think we agree we we need more oversight and we need to make sure all of these are not stealing data from people and just to get people very brief history lesson you know Edward Snowden had some very serious allegations about our own spying agencies using. Facebook to gather intelligence on people all around the world there's evidence for that. There's no hard evidence at this point the Tiktok is doing any of this. So if we're serious about doing this, the answer isn't to further balkanize the United States from the rest of the world the answers to form coalitions with other countries say look if you're going to operate here in, you know if you're gonNA have the software operating in our country here, the rule you have to follow you can't just arbitrarily download people's Phone books, there's going to be You know civil fights. That's clearly the way to go is got to be bigger than just tiktok. I'm just looking at Tick Tock on my iphone. It has access to my photos because I gave it access to my photo so I could put a profile picture on there. it gives me notifications I could turn that off. That's that's a push though that's not a poll. Background APP refresh means it can run in the background and cellular data doesn't ask for. location data doesn't ask for I mean facebook asks for ten times more. That's why I don't have it on my phone. I. mean the worst thing Tiktok does is waste millions of hours a productivity, and maybe that's a recent ban I don't know. But I, just I don't understand how it could be used. If it's not getting location permissions, how could it be used maliciously and I think it is getting location position. I know that I've know anecdotally at least from a couple of friends whenever they let's say go to Connecticut to visit family or something they will suddenly get Connecticut. Themed Tiktok content or something similar. Okay. that could just be from. Connection you can get that from the IP address so they could get a Geo location through IP address without asking APP without telling apple that they're doing that that would make sense. Okay. So they're getting them. Every cannon probably, I hate to say it probably does do that.
Afghan troops kill senior Islamic State militant
"Afghanistan's intelligence service says the country's special forces have killed a high ranking official with the local Islamic state Group, A statement late Saturday said the slain militant was an intelligence leader for the Islamic state. He says he was killed. Rather, it said he was killed in the eastern Nangahar province. He was suspected of being involved in several deadly attacks against both military and civilian targets in Afghanistan. A war torn country has seen a recent spike in violence with most attacks claimed by the local Islamic state affiliate. A United Nations report last month estimated there are around 2200 ISIS members in
Hurricane Isaias heads toward mainland U.S.
"Hurricane watches up for parts of the Florida coastline is Hurricane niece. Isis is drenching the Bahamas and heading for the U. S. East Coast meteorologist Allison Chinchar. We do have hurricane warnings out hurricane watches, tropical storm warnings and tropical storm watches out basically covering the Bahamas as well as Florida and that new Hurricane Watch for Florida with some of the newest things that would just added at 11 o'clock this morning. Now South Florida has begun shutting down beaches. Marina's in parks, the hurricane. Sciences has sustained winds of 75 miles per hour and is expected to remain a hurricane for days and pose a threat along the East Coast.
Hurricane Isaias, Lashing the Bahamas, Forms in the Atlantic
"The second hurricane of this Atlantic hurricane season is Isis slashing the Bahamas now with high winds and torrential rains on its way to rendezvous with these coast of Florida? Perhaps just to the east of the southeast Florida coast. During the day on Saturday, Saturday night. As a hurricane, and by Sunday morning on Sunday afternoon. He just East to stop short of the treasure coast of Florida. Stacey Stewart at the National Hurricane Center says a direct hit on Florida. Not likely, but it could make landfall somewhere up in the Carolinas. Stay tuned. President
Hurricane Isaias Forms in the Atlantic
"Set on the Southeast US Coast Hurricane niece Isis, currently closing in on the Bahamas, packing top sustained winds of 80 miles per hour. The storm is expected to strengthen as it moves closer to the U. S. And Florida could feel its impact as early as tomorrow, according to Stacey Stewart at the National Hurricane Center right now, we're not forecasting. A direct hit. By the hurricane on Florida and landfall in United States may not happen until it gets up to the North Carolina area, perhaps on Monday or Tuesday. Tropical Storm watches posted for Florida's East coast the store in the second hurricane of this Atlantic hurricane season.
F5 Networks "Big-IP" devices in Big-Trouble
"At the very end of last month, I think it was June thirtieth. F Five networks released a critical. Patch for their so called big IP systems. It was a maximum. Eighty as the way, it was termed remote code execution flaw. Disclosed it don't get worse. than their so called. Tm You I the traffic management user interface of the big Ip, which is actually you know like a trademark. I don't know what it stands for Ip Internet Protocol that big. Maybe it's Ad for something other than just big. Their application delivery controller ADC big on initials here. Anyway this came to light. As a consequence of F. Five publishing this patch. And with it was an urgent call for users of the so called big IP systems to immediately update with the highest possible priority. and. Big Big. Big Big Ip's f five's customers using these big IP solutions, our government's fortune. Five hundred firms banks service providers well known brands, including Microsoft Oracle and Facebook I. Mean You know this is big iron? So as we noted at the time, F five's website boasts that forty eight of the fortune fifty rely on five so somehow they missed two of the top fifty companies in the US. And at the time of the disclosure. So not quite, but almost a month ago. More than eight thousand of these big IP F five networks devices were found online. Publicly accessible on the Internet and vulnerable to attacks designed to exploit this vulnerability, US Cyber Command urged F- like independently urged F. Five customers to patch their devices urgently. They tweeted patching. E twenty, twenty, five, nine. Oh, two and five nine three should not be postponed over the weekend. remediate immediately. Wow! Five also offered some interim mitigation measures that they recommended for their customers. Who could not for whatever reason patch their big I fe- big IP equipment immediately you know sometimes that requires you take it down for some length of time and reboot, but later came to light that the mitigation could be mitigated and bypassed, which made emergency patching the only safe course like you know, do it now. So two days after the patches for this critical. Vulnerability were released. Researchers started publicly posting proof of concept exploits, showing just how easy it would be to exploit them. So that was then. Three weeks later last Friday the twenty fourth, the cyber and infrastructure security agency. Say posted. They, said CIA ESSA is issuing this alert. In response to receiving to recently disclosed exploits that that target F five big IP devices that are vulnerable to Blah Blah Blah. unpackaged big five. Unpacked F five big IP devices. An attractive target for malicious actors. Affected organizations that have not applied the patch to fix this critical remote code. Execution Vulnerability risk an attacker. Outing that CV to take control of their system note, EH, five security advisory states that there is a high probability that any remaining unpack. Each devices are likely already compromised. CIS A expect to see continued attacks exploiting unpackaged big F five big IP devices, and strongly urges users administrators to upgrade their software to the fixed versions. CIS also advises that administrators deploy the signature included in this alert to help them determine whether they're systems have been compromised, and so the the signature was a a a traffic inspection. Script in order to see whether there is bad stuff going on, they said see I say has observed scanning and reconnaissance as well as confirmed compromises. Within a few days of F five's patch release of this vulnerability as early as July sixth. CIS Say has seen broad scanning activity for the presence of this vulnerability across federal departments and agencies. This activity is currently occurring as of the publication of this alert meaning gay from as early as July six as one that did began and this this alert was last Friday the twenty four th, so this has been going on. They conclude the ISI has been working with several entities across multiple sectors to investigate potential compromises relating to this vulnerability. has confirmed to compromises and continuing to investigate. CIS CIS will alert will update this alert with any additional actionable information. Okay so. Now this is a classic example, and actually this sort of ties into where will be going here in a minute when we talk about Garmon. I've often been speaking about the growing critical need for companies and to a lesser degree individuals, but certainly individuals who care to be certain that they have an are maintaining an open channel of communication for receiving vulnerability notices I've been talking about email as that channel. But in thinking about this further. I think that twitter likely makes the most sense now. As I noted last week. Twitter really has become our global information dissemination platform. Warts and all
Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers
"Everybody from the British. Ask this week's interview. Episode has any Greenberg senior writer at wired. He just SORTA book called Sand Worm New Era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's Miss, dangerous hackers, it is all about hacking group inside of the Russian government called San Worm. They were responsible for the most damaging cyber warfare attacks over the past year there behind not PECI. The hackers took out in the mayor shipping line hospitals across the U. K San has totally escalated. What we think of Cyber War, and he's book gets all into how they were discovered how they were flushed out the. The intricacies of these various hacks. It's super interesting. The book is a thrill ride. If you're looking for something that isn't the virus. This is like a thriller, a highly recommended. It was really fun to talk to her about the stuff. one thing I. WanNa know we're all at home so during this in every might hear some kids in the background. I asked you just be a little forgiving that we're all. We're all dealing with it and he was a great interview. Check Out Sandy Greenberg of sand worm, a new era of cyber war and the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous hack. Any Greenberg your senior writer at wired you're also the author of Sand Worm, new era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous. Welcome glad to be here so even writing about cybersecurity frontier I think you just said two thousand six and writing about Cybersecurity, but this book sand worm as I was reading it. It seems like it's called the new era of cyber war. It seems like there's been a huge turn in sort of state-sponsored. Particularly Russians sponsored cyber attacks. How did you come onto that notion? How did you begin reading this book I'm I'm very curious how you see. See that turn happening well. In late twenty sixteen, my former colleague Kim Zetter she had been the one who really covered state sponsored hacking in cyber war stuff, but she left wired, and this was also at the time. When you know Russian hackers were meddling in the US election, they'd hacked the democratic. National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Clinton Campaign, so my editors were really primes on face, mantra hacking all of a sudden, but what they? They really what they told me they wanted was a actually like a big takeover of the whole magazine. All about cyber war, but cyber war to me is different than those kinds of espionage election, meddling tactics so I went looking for no real cyber war story, which means to me like a actual disruptive cyber attacks, and as I looked around. It seemed like the place where that was really happening was in Ukraine not really in the US in fact maybe. Maybe what was happening in? Ukraine seemed to me like it was in some ways, the only real full blown cyber war that was actually occurring where Russian hackers were not just attacking the election which they had done, they tried this spoof the results of a presidential election, but they had also attacks media and destroyed their computers. They had attacked government agencies and tried to like destroy entire networks, and then they had turned off the power for the first time. In December of two thousand, fifteen, the the first actual blackout triggered by hackers, and just as I was look into this happened again the the effect, the seem hacker group caused a blackout this time in the capital of Kiev so I wince looking in Ukraine for this cyber war story that. Turned into a cover story for wired that kind of gave editors what they wanted, but then also kept unfolding This cyber war kept growing in scope and scale and. The original story written for wired was kind of about the fact that you could look to Ukraine to see the future of cyber war that will what was happening. There might soon spread to the rest of the world. And that is actually what happens to like just after we publish that cover story to same hackers released this climactic terrible cyber attack in Ukraine. Called Not Petiot that spread beyond Ukrainians became the worst cyberattack history cost ten billion dollars, so when that happened, that was when I saw that there was potential to do a book about this that it was not just a kind of case study about Ukraine or even kind of predictive story, but a an actual full story arc about this one group that had carried out the what I would say was not only the first. First Real Cyber War, but the worst cyberattack in history and the you know I wanted to capture the the Ark of that story in the effects, the real experience of cyber war. Yeah, so the group is called sand worm in this is just one of the the sort of opening arcs of the book is how they've come. They come to be named this because references and code walk people through just like it's so. relatable that like even these hackers are using using this language that leads them recalled Sandwich Tell people about it. So when I started to look into the origins of this group after that second blackout attack I I found that this this company called eyesight partners which have been acquired by fire I I, said partners was the first to find these hackers in twenty, fourteen, basically using fishing in kind of typical espionage tactics, plant malware in the networks of typical Russian hacking targets like groups across Eastern, Europe and NATO in a look like what they were doing was just kind of typical espionage. They were planning. This by wear calls lack energy buds will first of all they could see that they were rushing, because they had this server that they were using to administer some of these attacks and they. They left the server, so anybody could look at it in. There was a kind of Russian language to file for how to use black energy on the service, so these guys seem like they were rushing, but even more interesting in some ways. was that they to track each victim each instance of black energy? This malware has little campaign code in each campaign was a reference to the science fiction novel Dune and you know so like one of them was something about Iraq is, and then one of them is about the sutter cars, these like imperial soldiers in in that SCI FI universe so I said partners named this group sand worm, because well just because it's a cool. Name associated with doing, but it turned out to me. It became this very powerful because a sandwich miss this monster that lies beneath the surface, and occasionally arises from underground to do terribly destructive things. partners didn't know that at the time, they they soon afterward realized what sand. was doing was not just espionage, but they were actually doing reconnaissance for disruptive cyberattacks. They were also hacking power grids. They were planning black energy, not only in the European Eastern European targets in the US power grid networks as well. The Ultimately Syndrome was the first twenty fifteen to cross that line in use black energy as the first step in a multi step attack that led to a blackout. So this was not just espionage really was kind of like you know this monster that rises from under the ground to do terrible acts of mass destruction that came to pass so one of the things that comes up over in the book. Is this growing sense of dread from security researchers and analysts? Oh this is an imminent threat to the united. States just Ukraine, but like this is happening here and then there's a sense that the United States actually open the door to this kind of warfare with stuxnet. which was an attack on Iran? How how did those connect for you that it seemed like there's a new rule of engagement new set of rules of engagement for cyber warfare that actually the United States implicitly created with with stuxnet by attacking Iran. Yeah, I mean I tried to highlight. Clearly sand worm are the real bad guys in the story, they are the actual hacker group that did these terribly reckless destructive attacks that actually in some cases put people's lives at risk, the kind of in some parts of the story they actually shutdown medical record systems and I. Think may have cost people's lives with cyber attacks today they are the actual antagonist here, but I also want to highlight the ways that the US government is is partially responsible for the state of Cyber War, and there are a few ways that that's true. I The US! Open the Pandora's box of cyber war with stuxnet. This piece of now where that. That was used to destroy Iranian nuclear enrichment centrifuges that was the first piece of our that actually have caused that physical disruption destruction, and we now see Sandra doing the same thing in Ukraine. In in fact, in some ways around the world, also the the US hordes, these kind of zero day, secret hacking techniques, some of which were stolen and leaked and used by sand worm, but then I think the in fact, the biggest way that I tried to highlight that the US is responsible or complicit or negligent. Here is that we did not call allows what Santorum was doing in Ukraine and say to Russia. We know what you're doing. This is unacceptable. Nobody should be turning out the lights. Two civilians with cyber attacks. There wasn't a message like that I. mean the Obama White House sent a message to Russia over this kind of cyber hotline to say your election hacking is not okay. We see what you're doing and we want you to stop, but they said nothing about a tube blackout attacks in Ukraine, and that was kind of implicit signal to Russia. They could keep. Keep escalating, and even as all the cyber security, researchers and Ukrainians were warning that what was happening to Ukraine, would soon spread to the rest of the world, the US government ignore this both Obama, and then the trump administration until that prediction came to pass and a sand worm cyberattack did spread to the rest of the world, and it was too late, and we all suffered globally as a result, so let's talk about patch it. WAS CATASTROPHIC IN SCOPE, right? It took out the mayor shipping line, which is a massive business. It took out some hospitals in UK like it was huge in scope. I don't think people really put it all together. Talk about how it started and how big it grew. Yeah, so not too was kind of like big apotheosis sandwich, where all of these predictions of the terribly destructive things they were doing to the rest of the world came to pass but it did it started in Ukraine. They hijacked this. The the software updates of this accounting software called me doc that is basically used by everybody in Ukraine. The quicken turbo tax of Ukraine. If you do business in Ukraine, you have to have this installed, so sanborn hijack the updates of that news to push out this worm to thousands of victims mostly in Ukraine, but it was a worm, so it's spread the mmediately end quickly kind of carpet bombs. The entire Ukrainian Internet's every computer at spread to would encrypt permanently. You could not recover the computer, so it very quickly took down pretty much every. Every Ukrainian government agency twenty two banks multiple airports for hospitals in Ukraine that I. could count and in each of these cases. What is eight took them down. I mean it destroyed essentially all of their computers, which requires sometimes weeks or months to recover from, but then as you know, this is a worm that does not respect national borders. So even though it was, it seemed to be an attack intended to disrupt Ukraine. It immediately spread beyond Ukraine's borders. Borders to everybody who had this accounting software installed? That was doing business in Ukraine and some people who didn't so that includes Maersk. The world's largest shipping firm and Fedex and Mondelez, which owns cadbury, NABISCO and ranking manufacturing firm that makes tylenol in Merck. The Pharmaceutical Company in New Jersey on each of these companies lost hundreds of millions of dollars. The scale of this is kind of difficult to capture but I in the book I tried to. To I focused in part Maersk because it is just a good company to look at because you can. They had this gigantic global physical machine that is they have seventy six ports around the world that they own as well as these massive ships that have tens of thousands of shipping containers on them. And I told the story of how on this day seventeen of their terminals of were entirely paralyzed by this attack with ships arriving with just. Piles of containers on them. Nobody could unload. Nobody knew what was inside of nobody knew how to load or unload them with around the world of seventeen terminals, thousands of trucks, Semitrailers, carrying containers were lining up in Lyons miles long because the gates that were kind of checkpoints to check in the these trucks to drop something off or pick it up. They were paralyzed as well. This was a fiasco on a global scale is responsible for a fifth of the world's lable shipping capacity. They were truly just a rendered brain dead by this attack, but yeah displayed out at all of these different victims MERC had to borrow their own each vaccine from the Center for Disease Control because they're manufacturing. Manufacturing was disrupted by this, and it ultimately spread to a company called nuance, nate speech to text software. They have a service that does this for hospitals across the US to dozens of our possibly hundreds of American hospitals at this backlog of transcriptions to medical records that were lost because of this, and that resulted in patients, being do for surgeries or transfers, other hospitals in nobody knew their medical records were updated. I mean this was scale where hundreds of hospitals each of which has thousands of patients missing changes the medical records. We don't know what the effects of that work, but very well could've actually harmed people's health. Our lives I mean the scale of not petty is very difficult to. Get your mind around, but we do know that you know monetarily cost ten billion dollars, which is by far the biggest number we've ever seen, but it also had this this kind of harder to quantify toll on people's lives, so it it you know you read about it at length and wired. Obviously these companies go down of ripples in mainstream sort of general press, but I don't feel like people really not like Oh. This Russian group called San Worms sponsored by the Russian government. Unleash this attack in it caused this cascading effect of failure and disaster cost in that because we know what we can attribute it to the government, our government. I don't feel like that connection got made for people. What is the gap between other as a hack and Oh, this is actually a type of warfare engagement, because that that connection seems very tenuous. I think for a lot of people. Even as sort of the more general mainstream press covers this stuff. Yeah, you know. I don't think that that's is just like the nature of. Of Cyber War I think that was a failing that that lack of connection is a failing on our government's parts, and on you could say even on the part of some of these victims like these large companies I mean I at the time did not pitch it happened. I was fully on the trail of standard within days. I was talking to cyber security researchers who? Who had piece together? Some of the forensics to show the not petiot was Sandra that it was a Russian state-sponsored attack in yet none of those companies that I mentioned mercker Mondelez or Maersk or Fedex, or any of them wanted to say the Russia had done this to them and know governments were talking about either like the Ukrainian government was. They're always willing to point. Point the finger at Russia, but the US government was not, and you know that to me seemed to be just kind of I mean I felt like I was being gas. Let's at that point. I had watched Russia due to Ukraine for a long time at that point tonight. I sort of understood that NATO in the West. We had this kind of cruel logic that. Ukraine is not us. Russia can do what it likes to Ukraine because they're not NATO not e you. They are Russia's sphere of influence or something I think that that's very wrongheaded, but at least it made sense. You know to have that that viewpoints, but now this attack had spread from Ukraine to hit American soil American companies in many cases and yet still the US government was saying nothing I just thought this was bizarre and you know so i. For months I was like. Trying to get any of these companies to tell the story of of their experiences, not Peta I was trying to figure out why the US government wasn't talking about the fact that this was a Russian cyberattack and ultimately I. Think it was I. think it was kind of I know partly disorganization negligence. I think it may have something to do with the fact that the. The? Trump administration doesn't like talking about Russian hackers for obvious reasons, but eight months after it took eight months ultimately for the US government to finally say not that it was a was Russia it was the worst cyberattack in history, and then a month later. The White House impose consequences in put new sanctions on Russia and response, but it took nine months and more importantly it took. Multiple years this without was the first time this was twenty eighteen, and the Russian cyber war in Ukraine had started around the fall of Twenty fifteen, so that's just incredible span of negligence when the US government said nothing about these escalating unfolding. Acts, of Cyber Award that there should have been unacceptable from the very beginning I mean these are the kind of quintessential acts of state sponsored cyber attacks on civilians, trying out the lights. You know that's the kind of thing that I believe that the US government should have called out and drawn a red line across at the very beginning took ears, so I do think it was a big failing. Of of diplomacy, it just seemed like that part of the problem, and this is kind of an expression is it's so hard to describe like if the Russian government sent fighter jets to America and live their support. Okay, like everyone understood, you can see it. You can understand what happened there. In the you know, there's like a however many decades of movies about how to fight that war. This is a bunch of people in a room typing. Like it there's just an element of this where the dangerous Oh federal where the attack is invisible, and while the effects might be very very tangible, the causes are still sort of mysterious people so. My question is who is sandwich. What what do we know about them? Where do they work? What are they like? Do we have a sense of how this operation actually operates? In some ways the the biggest challenge of reporting this book, and I spent essentially the third act of the book, the last third of the reporting of the book, trying to answer the question of who is in worm, who are these people? Where are they located? What motivates them and I guess to partially spoil the ending here. They are a unit of the year you. They are a part of Russia's military intelligence agency, which is responsible for you know, this is not a coincidence. They are responsible for election meddling responsible for the attempted assassination of You. chemical weapons in the United Kingdom they're responsible for the downing of a seventeen as commercial passenger jet over Ukraine were three hundred innocent people died on the G. R.. You are this incredibly reckless callous out military intelligence agency, but they act like kind of almost just cut through mercenaries around the world. Doing Russia's bidding in ways that are very scary, so I threw essentially like a combination of excellent work of a bunch of security researchers who I was speaking to combined with some confirmation from US intelligence agencies, and then ultimately some other clues from the investigation of Robert Muller into meddling all these things combined created the trail that led to one group within the JERE. You that were you know I? Eventually had some names and faces even address of this this group, and all that was actually only finally fully confirms After the book came out Justin in recent months when the White House finally actually was the State Department's. End as well as the UK on Australian and other governments together finally said yes, sand worm is in fact that this unit of the year you so this theory that I developed in positive near the end of the book was finally basically confirmed by governments just in recent months. So one thing that strikes me at that is I, think of the Russian military things. Gru is being foreboding being obviously, they're very very good at this other a buttoned up in then they have like a incredible social media presence that kind of POPs up throughout the book that distracts from what doing. They set up Gucci for two point Oh when they were doing the DNC hacks that fed to wikileaks in the. That account insisted it was just guy. They set up the shadow brokers which was. I read. It is just like your some goof-balls like they wanted to seem a lot dumber and a lot smaller than they were. They were very effective at it to people I. Talk About those that strategy, and then I guess my question have is like a re better at seeing that strategy for what it is well. You make a really interesting point. The uses these false flags like throughout their recent history that we I should say we don't know that they were responsible for shadow brokers. In fact, nobody knows who shot a brokers. The shadow brokers truly are, and they are in some ways the biggest mystery in this whole story, this one group that hacked the NSA apparently and leaked a bunch of their zero day hacking techniques, or maybe they were even say insiders. We still don't know the answer to that question, but the other other incidents you mentioned. That are you are responsible for this Guja for two point zero fake hacktivists leaked a bunch of the Clinton documents. They're responsible for other false flags like they at one point to call themselves the Cyber Caliphate pretended to be Isis. They've a pretended to be like patriotic pro. Russian Ukrainians at some point they they're always like wearing different masks ends. They're very deceptive. in the a later chapter of the book, some of the biggest one of the biggest attacks they. They did was this attack on the twenty thousand Olympics where they not only wore a false mask, but they actually had layers of false flags where as cyber security researchers W. This melwert was used to destroy the entire back end of the two thousand eighteen winter Olympics. Just as the opening ceremony began, this was a catastrophic events. The aware had all of these fake clues made look like it was Chinese or North Korean or maybe Russian. Nobody could tell it was like. It was this kind of confusion bomb almost designed to to just make researchers throw up their hands. Give up on attributing mallards. Any particular actor was only through some amazing detective work by some of the analysts that I spoke to the able to cut through those false flags identify that sand was behind this essentially, but yeah, it's it is a one very real characteristic of the jury you that they are almost they seem to almost take pleasure or like be showing off their deception capabilities to and their evolving those capabilities they are getting more deceptive over time as fake gets more, destructive aggressive. Advertising content when I say Utopia what comes to mind? Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the Pathak social body. Everybody in that place. Everybody happy now. While the peacock original series brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. The concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. 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Not Connected Right, but the way they throughout the book the way they execute East campaigns they're deeply connected, and that seems like not only just a new kind of warfare, and you kind of craft, but some just consistently seems to work in surprising ways like the tech press is GonNa. Be Like Gucci. I says this and we're. There's never that next step of also we think it's Russian government, and that seems like first of all I'm dying. I imagine the meeting right. I would love to be a fly on the wall of the meeting where they decide what their twitter name is going to be today. I'm very curious how they evolve those attacks in such a way that it just seems to be more and more effective time. Yeah, I mean. I also love to have been those meetings in. It's my one kind of regret in this book that I never actually got. Interviews, it's almost an impossible thing to do. They liked find defectors from the R., you or something. He will tell those stories at a knock it murdered I mean. It's kind of a possible, but but. In some cases? I think your earlier points. They almost seem kind of bumbling in these things they do them in a very improvisational way. for two point Oh seemed almost like it was a justice thing they invented on the spot, tried to cover up some of the the accidental ups like they had left russian-language formatting errors in the documents that they had leaked from the DNC, so they admitted this guy who appeared the next day and started. Talking about being a Romanian. Friends as motherboard Lorenza, Franceschi decry he started this conversation. Align with with Guja for two point, oh basically proved at the guy could not actually properly speak Romanian. BE Russian speaker. In fact, it was. It was almost comical at the same time. They're using very sophisticated hacking techniques doing destructive attacks on a massive scale, but they're also. They seem like they're kind of making it up as they go along. They do things that don't actually seem very kind of strategically smart. They kind of seem like they're trying to impress their boss for the day. Sometimes with just like some sometimes, it's just seems like the Jere. You wakes up in asks themselves. Like what can we blow up today? Rather than thinking like? How can we accomplish the greater strategic objectives of the Russian Federation? So they are fascinating in that way and very stringent colorful group. That's I think one of the biggest questions I have here is. We spend a lot of time trying to imagine what flat and Mirror Putin wants. You know when he grows up, but it. None of this seems targeted like what is the goal for Russia to disrupt the Winter Olympics right like. Is there a purpose to that? Is that just a strike fear? Is it just to? EXPAND THAT SUV influenced. Is it just to say we have the capability furious is there? has there ever really been the stated goal for this kind of cyber warfare? That one is particularly mystifying. I mean you can imagine why Russia would want to attack the Olympics. They were banned from the two thousand Eighteen Olympics doping, but then you would think that they might want to attack the Olympics and send a message maybe like eight deniable message a message that you know if you continue to ban us. We're GONNA. Continue to attack you like like any terrorists would do, but instead they attacked the winter. Olympics in this way, that really seemed like they were trying not to get caught, and instead like make it look like the was Russia North Korea? And then you have to like what is the point of that was? The could kind of. Sit there in Moscow and kind of like rub their hands together in gleefully. Watch this chaos unfolds. It almost really does seem like it was petty vindictive thing that they just for their own emotional needs wanted to make sure that nobody could enjoy the Olympics if they were not going to enjoy them I that was, but that one is i. think outlier in some ways for the most part you can kind of see. The Russia is advancing. The G. R. You that sand worm is advancing something that does generally make sense which is that. In Ukraine for instance, they're trying to make Ukraine look like a failed state. They're trying to make Ukrainians. Lose faith in their security. Services are trying to prevent investors globally from funneling money into Ukraine trying to create a kind of frozen conflict, as we say in Ukraine where there's this constant perpetual state of degradation. They're not trying to conquer the country, but they're trying to create a kind of permanent war in Ukraine and would cyber war. You can do that beyond the traditional front end. It is in some ways the same kind of tactic that they used in other places like the US which. which here we saw more than influence operation that they were hacking leaking organizations like democratic campaign organizations and anti doping organizations to kind of so confusion to embarrass on their targets. They're trying to influence like the international audiences opinion these people, but in Ukraine, it is in some ways, just a different kind of influence operation where they're trying to influence the world's view of Ukraine. Influence Ukrainians view of their themselves under government to make them feel like they are in a war zone even when their kid hundreds of miles from the actual fighting. That's happening on the eastern fronts in the eastern region of. Of Ukraine so in a book you you you go to Kiev. You spent time in Ukraine. Is there a sense in that country that while sometimes light goes out sometimes our TV stations. Their computers don't boot anymore. Because they got rewritten, the Hydros got Zeros like. Is there a sense that this is happening? Is there a sense the defy back is there does Microsoft deploy you know dozens of engineers to to help fight back. How does that play out on the ground there? Yeah, I mean to be fair. Ukrainians are very stoic about these things and regular. Ukrainian citizens were not bothered by you know. Know a short blackout. They didn't particularly care you know. This blackout was the first ever. Hacker induced blackout in history but Ukrainian cyber security. People were very unnerved by this end, people in these actual utilities were traumatized I mean these attacks were truly like relentless sins very kind of scary for the actual operators at the controls I mean in the first blackout attack. These poor operators Ukrainian control room in western Ukraine they were locked out of their computers, and they had to watch their own mouse cursor. Click through circuit breakers, turning off the power in front of them I. Mean They watched it happen? At these kind of Phantom hands to control of their mouse movements, so they took this very very seriously, but yet Ukrainians as a whole I mean they have seen a lot. They are going through an actual physical war. They've seen the seizure of Crimea and the invasion of the east of the country. You know the the date hits. A Ukrainian general was assassinated with a car bomb in the middle of Kiev, so they have a lot of problems, and I'm not sure that cyber war is one of the top of their minds, but not patio I. Did, actually reach Ukrainians normal. Ukrainian civilians to it. It shook them as well. I talked to two regular Ukrainians. who found that they couldn't swipe into the Kiev Metro. They couldn't use their credit card at the grocery store. All the ATM's were down The Postal Service was taken out for every computer that the postal service had was taken out for more than a month. I mean these things really did affect people's lives, but it kind of. A until that kind of climactic worm. Not Patio for I think for this to really reach home for Ukrainians. who have kind of seen so much. How do you fight back? I, mean I one of things that struck me as I was reading. The book is so many of the people you talked to people who are identifying the threat. They're actually private companies. Eyesight was the first even detect it. they are contractors to intelligence agencies the military in some cases, but they're not necessarily the government right like it's not necessarily Microsoft. Who has to issue the patches from the software not necessarily GE which makes simplicity, which is the big industrial controls talk about a lot. How does all that come together into a defense because that seems like harder problem of coordination? Yeah, I mean defense in Cyber. Security is in an eternal problem. It's incredibly complicated, and when you have a really sophisticated determined adversary, it know they will win eventually ends I. think that they're absolutely lessons for defense in this book about you know. Maybe you need to really really think about software updates for instance like the kind that were hijacked to a with this medoc accounting software. As a vector for terrible cyber-attacks. Imagine that like. Any of your insecure apps that have kind of updates can be become a a piece of Malware, really unique to signature networks need to think about patching on. There are just an endless kind of checklist of things to every organization needs to do to protect themselves so. In some ways that just like a Sisyphean task and I don't. I don't try to answer that question in the book because it's too big, and it's kind of boring as well, but what I do really hammer on is the thing that the government's really could've done here. which is to try to establish norms tried to control attackers through diplomacy through kind of disciplinary action through things like kind of Geneva Convention for Cyber War if. If you think about a kind of analogy to say like chemical weapons, we could just try to give everyone in the world a gas mask that they have to carry around with them at all times, or we could create a Geneva. Convention norm that chemical weapons should not be used in if they are than crime, and you get pulled in front of the Hague. Hague and we've done the ladder and I think that in some ways should be part of the the answer to cyber war as well we need to establish norms and make countries like Russia or like organizations like the G. Are you understand that there will be consequences for these kinds of attacks, even when the victim is not the US or NATO or the? The EU and I think we're only just starting to think about that. One of the questions I had as reading is it seems like a very clear red line for almost everyone you talk to is attacks on the power grid right? That is just unacceptable. You should not do it if you do it. You've crossed a line and there should be some consequence. Is, that clear to governments. Is that something that our government says? It's something that the says it has been established. It seems like it's it's the conventional wisdom wants to salvage, but I'm not unclear whether that is actually the line that exists. It definitely has not been established, and when I kind of did these I managed to get sort of interviews with the top cyber security officials in the Obama ends trump administration Jay Michael Daniel was the cyber. Cyber Coordinator for the administration was the kind of cyber coordinator boss in the The Homeland Security Adviser for trump and both of them when I asked him about like wiped. Why didn't you know to put it bluntly like? Why didn't you respond? When Russia caused blackouts in Ukraine? Both of them essentially said well. You know that's not actually the rule that we want to set. We want to be able to cause blackouts in our adversaries networks. In their power grids when we are in a war situation or when we believe it's in our national interest, so you know that's the thing about these cyber war capabilities. This is part of the problem that every country. Absolutely the US among them isn't really interested in controlling these weapons, because we in this kind of Lord of the rings fashion, we are drawn to them to like we want to maintain the ability to use those weapons ourselves and nobody wants to throw this ring in the fires, of Mount Doom. We all wanted maintain the ring and imagine that we can use it for good in out. So that's why neither administration called that Russia for doing this because they want that power to. Make the comparison to to nuclear weapons but Negotiated drawdown and treaties with Russia in the past we count warheads where aware that the United States stockpiles can destroy the world. Fifty Times over today maybe tomorrow one hundred hundred like what we have a sense of the the measure of force that we can. Put on the world when it comes to nuclear weapons, there's a sense that Oh, we should never use these right like we have them as a deterrent, but we've gained out that actually leads to his mutually assured destruction like there's an entire body of academics. There's entire body of researchers. Entire body is got scenario planning with that kind of weapon. Does that same thing exist for for cyber weapons. There are absolutely. Know community is of academics. Policymakers who are thinking about this stuff now, but I don't think it's kind of gotten through to actual government decision. that. There needs to be kind of cyber deterrence in how that would work. In in the comparison to nuclear weapons is like instructive, but not exactly helpful. In fact, it's kind of counter-productive because we cannot deter cyber-attacks with other cyber-attacks i. don't think that's GonNa work in part because we haven't even tried to establish it yet. There are no kind of rules or read lines, but then I think more importantly. Everybody thinks that they can get away with cyberattacks that they can. They're going to create a false flag. That's clever enough that that when they blow up a power grid, they can blame their neighbor instead, so they think they're. They're gonNA. Get Away with it, and that causes them to do it anyway. A not fear the kind of assured destruction so I think that the the right response, the way to to deter cyber attacks is not with the promise of a cyber attack in return. It's with all the other kind of tools we have, and they've been used sometimes, but but they were not in the case of Sand Werman. Those tools include like sanctions which came far too late in the story indictments of hackers. In some cases, we still haven't really seen syndrome. Hackers indicted for the things that they did in Ukraine or or even not petty. And then ultimately just kind of messaging like calling out naming and shaming bad actors, and that has happened to some degree with Sandra, but in some cases there have still been massive failures there there has still been no public attribution of the Sandwich attack on the twenty eighteen Olympics I mean. My Book has been out for months. I think show pretty clear evidence that syndrome is responsible for this attack. The very least it was Russia and yet the US and Korean War, These Olympics took place at UK, none of these governments have named Russia as having done that. That attack which almost just invites them to do it again whenever our next Olympics are going to be, I guess maybe not this year, but if you don't send that message than you're just essentially inviting Russia to try again so I think might my big question is what happens now? I mean right we you write about. The NSA has tailored access operations, which is their elite hacking group. We are obviously interested in maintaining some of these capabilities. We've come to a place where people are writing books about how it works. What is the next step? What is the next? does it just keep getting worse or does this kind of diplomacy you're talking about? Is that beginning to happen I? Think there is some little glimmers of hope about the diplomacy beginning to happen I mean this year in February I think it was the State Department's called out a sand worm attack on Georgia, where a worms hackers basically took down a ton of Georgian websites by attacking the hosting providers as well as a couple of TV's broadcasters in the US. State Department with a few other governments not. said this was sand. Worm named the unit of the GRU. That's is that was confirmation that I've been looking for for a long time, but they also made a point of saying that we're calling this out is unacceptable, even though Georgia. Georgia is not part of NATO or the U. so that's that's progress. That's essentially creating a new kind of rule. That's state-sponsored. Hackers can't do certain things, no matter who the victims and that's really important. Also, it was kind of interesting because federal officials like gave me a heads up about that announcement before happened, which they have very very rarely do and I think they were trying. To say was in we. We read your book and we. Got The message okay like Stop attacking us about this like we're trying. We're doing something different here I. Don't want flatter myself that I actually changed their policy, but it did seem interesting that they wanted to tell me personally about this so i. I think that like maybe our stance on this kind of diplomacy is evolving, and we're learning lessons, but at the same time we also see the attacks evolving to. To and their new innovations in these kinds of disruption happening, we've seen since some of these terrible Sandra attacks. You know other very scary things like this piece of our called Triton or crisis that was used to disabled safety systems in a oil refinery in Saudi Arabia on that was you know that could have caused an actual physical explosion of petrochemical facility? The the attacks are evolving to okay final last real question. Tell people where they can get your book. You can find all kinds of places by on indie Greenberg Dot net. Written another book as well previously, yes. That's right. I wrote a book about wikileaks. Cypher punks and things like that. That's right well. I'm a huge fan. It was an honor to talk to you. Thank you so much for coming on I know it's. It's a weird time to be talking about anything, but the coronavirus I was very happy to talk about something else, which is that it seems a little bit more in control Even if it is quite dangerous, a thank you for the time. I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm glad to provide people with a different kind of apocalypse as a distraction.
Dave Franco Reveals Details On His Upcoming Vanilla Ice Biopic
"True story of the infamous dramatic rise and fall of an Isis career in the early nineties will finally be told in the upcoming movie to the extreme starring James Franco's brother. Dave Franco the ice ice baby himself, and we'll have to wait quite awhile to see it as it's only in pre. But Dave is taking the role very seriously and infrequent talks with the man he's playing. He tells insider rob is such a sweet intelligent guy, and he's been super helpful in the process of getting all the details correct the Franco brothers previously teamed up for another bio-pic. The disaster artist about Tommy wiser so bad. It's good movie. The room and Dave says to the extreme will be similar where they don't WanNa make fun of an Ila is, but let the comedy and heart come from telling his truth.
Protests in Oakland over prolonged detention of families in ICE custody
"Residents held held a a rally rally yesterday yesterday to to protest protest Trump Trump administration administration policies policies regarding regarding immigrant immigrant detention detention centers centers along along the the U. U. S S Mexican Mexican border border case. case. CBS's CBS's Jeffrey shall reports they are especially concerned about plans to release Children. Without their parents, Thie protesters white black brown Asian gathered, they said, to call for justice for those detained along the border. Karen for Timo says Isis, violating a judicial order mandating the release of Children to avoid the dangers of a covert 19 outbreak. Within those centers were tired of the separation that is being implanted into these families. They're in detention centers Cove. It is a real 10 don't make that has infiltrated into the system. They don't barely have basic necessities in addition to having any protection pp. Hoku. Jeffrey claims that ice has told families they will on Ly release the Children if they are separated, which he says begs the question. Where with the Children go, I think it's just grotesque. Trump and ice are trying to trick coerce, intimidate parents and their Children into into keeping them in the concentration camps. Representatives for ice were not available for comment.
Iran slams interception by US jet over Syria as 'illegal'
"Iranian officials have slammed the interception of a ring of an Iranian passenger plane by U. S fighter jet over Syria as illegal threatening action against Washington over the incident. Iran had said that one of its airliners flying from Tehran to Beirut yesterday was harassed by fighter jets but later landed safely in Lebanon. US official confirmed that a U. S jet Passed by the Iranian airliner, but at a safe distance child's Gibson reports. The U. S military says an F 15 fighter jets conducted a visual inspection of the passenger plane, but also insisted it did so at a safe distance. Iranian state media said the Mahan air jets was traveling from Tehran to Beirut and broadcast footage apparently filmed on board the flight showing a passenger with blood running down his face. The Pentagon says the incident took place near a garrison in southern Syria used by the U. S led coalition against Isis. Giles Gibson,
US government to sue Google for monopolizing online ads
"Government expecting to sue Google. The feds think, among other things, Google plays dirty and online advertising trying to crush competitors. Attorney General Bar has made it clear that he is not like Google's dominance over ad and 30 right now. Google brings in about 60% of all digital ad spending, combined with Facebook, and they also have a huge dominance over third day required that they're android devices and some smartphone makers use Google on the Isis as default. But there's also a concern about the dominant they have and the way they used their power to crush not only their competitors but competing viewpoint that they don't agree with on their site. And this is what bar has signaled as a way to in fourth, or make changes to a company that he sees as abusing their power. That's reporter Hilary von.
Christian Missionary vs. David C. Smalley
"Welcome to the show. Hopefully, you're well rested. You got lots of sleep. And you're ready to enjoy. A Nice conversation among people who disagree. my guest may not actually have that same courtesy or benefit. Because, he's literally on the other side of the world. he is joining me all the way from Mozambique. He is a missionary and because of the location and sensitivity of the environmental there. We're not going to be using his name today, so please join me in welcoming the missionary in Mozambique who will not be named. Thank you so much for joining me today. Man I appreciate you coming on the show. Thank you David. Appreciate you taking the time to to let me call in and have conversation with you. Hey, this is going to be interesting man, I mean. I. Don't know that I've ever spoken with anyone in Mozambique before. So talk to me, talk to me. The most Americans don't couldn't find it on now, so. Right, so so so do me a favor. Let's talk a little bit about. first of all why you're over there? What's going on and sort of the temperature of the environment? Like what's happening there to make you not really want to reveal your identity today. Yeah, so we rea- my family. I we're missionaries is in northern Mozambique been here several years now and our our goal is to work alongside The established churches that are here. To help train up leaders, and then send them out to begin new work in in. Places where there are not yet searches, and not yet believers and so. I mean that's in in broad terms that that's what we're doing year. That takes all different kinds of forms over here from teaching English to teaching farming techniques to. Doing Bible Studies. All kinds of things so that's basically what my family. And I are doing over here. Things are a little tricky right now. There is some unrest do do some religious extremism. That's happening north of us in in. From where we are living and It has gotten worse and worse over the last two years or so. Things are getting more violence. The refugee problem is just growing I in fact today. I was at a meeting. For several hours talking to. Not just not just other missionaries, but other relief groups that are here trying to manage the flood of refugees that are coming into our town. We live in a town of about one hundred and twenty, thousand on the estimates are that there are now thirty to forty thousand refugees that have. Over the last. Nine months flooded our town. And then they're not just our town and other places, and so just stall the challenge to come with that people that don't have anything you know they're. They left in the middle of the night. They hid out in the Bush for. Hours, and hours just to keep their family safe, and then they. Somehow made their way down to where we're at, and so they don't have anything and so just trying to figure out what what what you weighed Duda alongside these people that have really watson a lot of trauma and suffering so so what? Type of religious extremism is, are they? They Muslims, are they. Somehow anti-christian, or what's going on now it's it's I mean they. They close ties to isis and so that's when they started. Publicly declaring that it raises a lot of eyebrows but the other challenge. Here's the the government whether or not they're able to. To. Handle the issue from a military standpoint from a development standpoint and so there are challenges. Not just with the group, but then in come the government inability to respond to it, and so, but you know they it's. Nobody really knows exactly what's at the bottom of it? Whether truly is religious extremism. In, some people speculate that it's just it's a response to extreme poverty and lack of opportunity that people are are turning to the violence in a way to get what they want quickly There there is a huge gas project that is is happening up here in in so people you're there. Some conspiracy theories about how that HAL unrest. Can benefit certain players within that that. That project so anyway. There's A. On the surface it. Appears to, be, religious. Religious driven! But. Nobody really knows at this point so.
Summer Movies 2020: What to Stream, What's Delayed
"Pandemic has totally thrown summer movie season for a loop. Lots of movies are going straight to streaming. Judd apoptosis and our Shirley's the roads and our welfare, but which streaming movies are really worth your time. And what will the pandemic mean for the film industry, and are we ever actually going to see tenant? The Big Budget Christopher Nolan Sci fi flick scheduled to come out in August. Will we ever see that on the big screen where it is meant to be seen? Well the answer to that question may actually be never. We just found out. That film has been delayed indefinitely, but there's still a lot more to discuss and here to talk us through it. Is Eliana Dr Men? She writes about movies and pop culture and Feminism for time Eliana. Hi, hi, how's it going good? How are you? Good holding up. So I think my first question just has to be like. Is there a summer blockbuster season this year? What happened? Yeah, I feel like saying. There's no summer blockbuster. Season is a little road to the movies that have come out on Vod vod meaning video demand, because a lot of stuff is just going straight to streaming racked. Yes, the things that are going straight to streaming which there have been some good things. But this certainly has not had the momentous feel of a usual summer where I convince my closest friends to go spend a ridiculous money to go see a movie in amax because it's summer and that's what you do. That is not happening. Hollywood has been a little circumspect about that. Keep moving movies that they insist have to count in theaters with good reason for some of 'em a movie like ten it would be much less fun to watch for the first time at home, but they keep sort of delaying it by two week increments, and delaying delaying delaying and I suspect that those delays will go into twenty twenty want, but we'll see. Yet kind of reminds me of early on in pandemic times it was probably like late maybe mid late February, when I found out that the the new James Bond movie was being delayed. Because that was supposed to come out in April. And they decided they moved it to like November. But I remember it was one of the first moment sitting at work when I saw the news where I was like. Oh. This pandemic is real. Yeah that was at the time I remember. Having discussions internally at time and just thinking personally. It's crazy that they're big to November. Why would they be November now? They look like geniuses because they sort of as this has continued to happen. All of these movies are rushing to find different dates, and I've sort of compared. You know finding the right movie release date to picking perfect wedding date. You don't want overlap with another big release that would. Not all the guests are going to come. And you also want to find a weekend when you know. A lot of people are free, so holiday weekends are always big Christmas thanksgiving Labor Day that sort of thing, so there's been just this total crush of movies. Where right now if things go the way that they are currently planned? We're just going to have a million movies released in November and December I. Don't think that that will actually happen, but they sort of James Bond beat everyone to the punch by claiming that date early. Right naming you know here. We are coming up on August. August like who knows what November's even GonNa. Look like yeah, exactly so I do think that most of those movies will probably move to twenty twenty one as well who knows, but it's sort of worst on such an ad hoc basis with all of this right now that I think the studios are also concerned and confused of course, so yeah, obviously you can't tell the future, but I do wonder like. Do you have a sense? You know you say? Probably? A million movies are gonNA drop in November December early. That's kind of the planet this point. is they're then going to be just like a huge drop off because of the stuff that should have been produced over the course of this year. That wasn't able to be because of the pandemic. I don't think we'll actually see that. Drop off until twenty twenty two because a lot of big movies that were supposed to come out this year like I remember another big kind of moment of this pandemic was real is when fast and furious nine moved from a spring of twenty, trying to spring of two thousand, twenty one, which also it doesn't the one that's taking place on Mars or something I think that the rumor is that they. I think that the actual poll of this. Is that this character Han? Who is very unjustly killed off a few movies ago, Mac so there's a whole justice for Han. A whole separate on my fast furious. Good to know. Just in case you're looking for. You on the list. So a lot of those movies have waited a full year. The top gun movie was delayed till Christmas. I think actually, but there are few other movies that have been delay pushed it back a full year. Yeah, push back a full year, so I think we will still get a crowded summer twenty twenty. One I think that we're really going to see the impact. In Twenty, twenty two where the delays in filming movies are are actually going to sort of manifest and that will be very strange. That's really interesting. So you say you don't want to do a disservice to the movies that have come out this summer that have gone straight to streaming services. What do you think are some the standouts that people shouldn't miss so I? Think that a few things have come out that have been great and entertaining, one big standout and profit by saying a lot of these movies are going to be on Netflix. Because Netflix was just more prepared for this than anybody else. WHO Like match? A four site that a pandemic was going to happen, but just by virtue of they drop a new movie every week at this point and write them have to be good. I think. The five bloods, which is Spike Lee movie that dropped on that flicks on June twelfth, and is h front runner in the very weird Oscar season. We're GONNA. Have a mom so far is definitely a standout. I think that that's one that is well worth people's time especially because there are going to be so few kind of prestige, Oscar movies that I think come out the series. Well that if you want to turn Oscar Susan that that is the way to go, okay so that one stands out I mean Hamilton. I watched as soon as dropped and APPS as. Everyone else I talked to did and I think they did a really good job of translating that to screen. Obviously, there's some reconsideration of Hamilton right now and rate. How good of a job it does! reckoning with the racism of the time. But I do think that unlike a lot of sort of problematic properties that were dealing with the summer lamelo Miranda has sort of owned up in participated in that conversations would say watch it with a grain of salt, and then go right you an internet deep dive. Researcher Slavery. And Google Hamilton slavery and just set aside a few hours for that So I think that stands out, I also really loved Palm Springs I'll too I just saw over the weekend, and I thought it was delightful. It felt like. Again try not to shade net flicks too much, but palm springs is one of the first movies released in quarantine that felt like an actual movie to me. and this came on Hulu. It came out on Hulu. It was the biggest purchase out of Sundance ever how it was supposed to be released in theaters. It was very much treated as an indie movie, but a big indie movie randy's hamburger than most people know about these days right and lonely island Andy. Sandberg's group produced it There's some Hollywood power behind it, but it felt like a fully finished movie with. With, the quirks of actual writers, directors incorporated in there and character development whereas I dunno some of the net flicks movies can feel a little bit empty to me like there was a concept and not a lot of follow through So this palm springs stood out to me. Is One a good rom com, which are hard to come by these days in to like. It felt like I would go to theater and pay money to see this movie. Yeah, totally so those are those are sort of a few that have come out so far that definitely stand out to me. As being people's time one that I've been hearing a lot about speaking of net flicks. is the old guard. I haven't watched it yet. What do you recommend it? So I do I mean? The old guard is sorta falls into that category of doesn't feel quite like a complete would be released in theaters film. And I don't. I can put my finger quite on. Why except that? I think that you know the premise of the movie is that these immortal beings are basically you know. superheroes that are constantly saving the world. I would watch that. Yeah, it's definitely entertaining, and like it's Shirley stare on shortly surrounds Great Gina Prince would who directed love and basketball won't have the greatest films of all time. Directed this and I think she does a good job. I do wish that these immortal beings were a little more interesting like if they've lived for thousands of if they had lived for thousands of years, I wish they had. More interesting quirks more things to say about the state of the world. That's a fair critique. Nothing can be perfect. It's definitely a diverted way to spend a couple of hours, and you know well worth people's time if they are looking for bad action, movies, and and kind of not even bad like. This is terrible action movie, but just like not A. Junk food. Yes, junk food. That is the perfect word for it which I mean like. Maybe the bar is really low now. Anyway. Right because it's like if I'm not leaving my house. If I got nothing to do then why not eat some junk food? You know exactly and I think that the I think that Hollywood is scared that we're going to get so used to junk food that we're not going to want to spend a little extra money on not junk food. After this is all over and that will sort of accepts. This is movies now. The netflix version of movies that feels a little bad for me and lacking in a little substance is just going to be the state of the world, and we're not going to spend the extra money to for example, see Palm Springs in theaters or see you know the Irishman in theaters vs on Netflix. To use another sort of direct networks parallel right so. What you're saying, is that essentially like if we are getting used to a lower quality than than what is our incentive to WanNa like go to the theater and spend a bunch of money. An let alone the fact that we're also like sitting. You know theoretically at least shoulder to shoulder with strangers, which is not a thing that people are super interested in doing right now during a pandemic. What do you think is sort of like the future of the movie theater industry? Like are they just doomed? Yeah, it's really hard. I mean as someone who watches a lot of movies, both in my personal life, and for work I cannot wait to get back to the movie theater. Going experience and I do think that there is that sort of feeling that once it is safe. I would happily walk several miles to go. Sit in a big theater next to some co workers or friends. Friends and watch a movie like Ted I. Wait for that to happen I am not comfortable doing right now. Though I do think that it's going to be a question of timing, and how long movie theaters can survive financially until moment where we do feel comfortable all coming back and I think that there's this fantasy that a movie like tenant or a movie like move on. It's just GonNa stuff movie theaters right off the Bat and there's going to be a moment where we all decide. Yes, this is the weekend where it's safe again. where I'm excited about going to the movies and I WANNA. Go sit next to a bunch of strangers and have them. You know spill popcorn on me. I don't think that that I. think that. That's sort of this illusive fantasy I. Don't think that that's going to be the case I. Think it's going to be a very slow trickle. I don't think people are chomping at the bit to go to the movie theaters I do think that that is why studios have been holding back the. Most expensive contents for kind of lack of a better categorization. Is because they don't want to give us Moulana streaming at home, and then have us come to expect okay I'll just wait for Milan's come onstream. I think that they want to create the incentive to go to the movie theater because it is so essential to their business. Surviving I just think that you know that means we might have many more months of not so great content. So, you're saying that it's not only like AMC theaters who need movie theaters to exist, but also Hollywood itself. Yes Hollywood definitely need movie theater to exist I mean the reason that you can make a movie like tenant for hundreds of millions of dollars is because you make. Hundreds of millions of dollars back by selling movie theater tickets. There's just no way that they can make that on Vod. It's not possible, so we'll see how they strategize it going forward, but I think sort of takeaway from this is that Netflix was already fighting it into the Hollywood. Business an Hollywood was not prepared for it, and this is just accelerating the process. So you've mentioned tenant a couple times, this is the newest is it's Sifi right from Christopher Nolan. Yes, it's a new Christopher Nolan movie. The reason I keep mentioning Tenet is because Christopher Nolan. Or Warner brothers have styled tenant as sort of the movie that is going to save the summer blockbuster season. They keep talking about is the first big movie that's going to open the movie. That's going to draw people back to theaters movie. That's GonNa save movie theaters the movie that's going to save the concept of summer blockbuster the movie that's GonNa. Make us feel better again and. I mean that sounds great i. does sound great I mean in fairness them. It's a good movie to pick to pin that on. Because Christopher Nolan is one of if not the only director left who can drop a totally original film that has nothing to do with comic book series. A book is not marble is not DC, NI, and, but this is still one of those like big loud movies. That's like perfect for a movie like a theater going experience that right, yes, yeah heart of the appeal of a movie like ten is that you see it with a big group of people rate, and then will gasp at the same reveal exactly like some of my favorite summer. Summer movie moments are the moments where you know. Something crazy happens in everybody screams. Everybody laughs I think of I. Guess is two summers ago. When the last mission impossible became out and spoiler alert for the first half hour of the mission impossible movie, there's a moment where they are jumping out of an airplane. A character gets struck by lightning and funny in this amass the lost bear market. And as well as the greatest movie memories ever had because it was just this collaborative woman just happened. And those are the best. That's amazing. That's so good well, even though we have just learned that the ten release has been delayed indefinitely, I hope cautiously optimistic that that will. That will have that again someday soon, ish. I hope so too. And in the meantime there are things to watch at home They might not be the things that we were excited about several months ago. but there are things to watch at home, and after this kind of summer movie season is over frankly studios graft figure out what to do with their Oscar contents, and I would not be surprised if a lot of them just get released straight to streaming so that they can qualify for the Oscars this year. Wow, the Oscars, which have officially been postponed right, yes, the Oscars have officially been postponed, and they've also changed their rules, so that movies that are released to streaming can qualify which is a. Huge concession on their part Isis County will change the back afterwards, but it's been a big fight in Hollywood as to whether streaming movies can count for the Oscars in hopes of saving the movie theater, going experience, and so now streaming movies will qualify and I think that's going to change the calculus for a lot of studios that aren't necessarily trying to make big money movies that they are trying to win awards. Interesting
"isis" Discussed on Today, Explained
"Fellow at the Atlantic Council doing research on the Middle East based in Turkey where the government doesn't want to be anywhere near these members of Isis. This and lots of countries feel the same way except the United States. That's right the. US has taken its citizens. Back and president trump has repeatedly called on the Europeans to do the same and when it comes to the Europeans just mentioned quickly. The Europeans have been much more willing to consider taking back women and children but by and large by and large European countries have steadfastly refuse to accept foreign fighters back on its soil because of the dangers. They might pose to their societies because public opinion is so incredibly anti repatriation. And because because a lot of these these countries aren't necessarily able to guarantee that if they took back these fighters and put them in court that any evidence would hold up and allow these fighters to be jailed jailed. So a lot of them could end up being set free and that's a really scary thought for a lot of people in Europe. Why is it that European countries are finding it so hard to take back these isis members and their families wiz when the United States is happy to do so so there are two main reasons why the Europeans have been much more reluctant than the US to bring back their citizens than the the first one is simply numbers the US had far fewer fighters leave the country to go fight in Syria for Isis? And so the number birth people that have been repatriated have been much fewer than what the Europeans would have to repatriate. SO THAT'S I. The second major difference is that it's easier for us to deal with it. Because we have laws on the books that allow us to prosecute these fighters and give them harsher sentences than they would receive in many of these European countries for example so he someone hoop is tried and sentenced in the US and convicted and sentenced to twenty ears for example in Belgium or Germany earned the UK for the same thing could be sentenced to five years in Turkey at seven years and so one one of the main reasons why European countries are reluctant to take their citizens back. Is that even if they do find enough evidence to convict them in a court of law. The best case scenario is that they're in jail for less than ten years and then they come out and then they have to monitor them for the rest of their lives and that takes up a lot of resources and potentially puts a lot of people at risk in the eyes of the Europeans are all. These countries obligated to take Isis members under families back so that is such an important question. That really is the million dollar question. Is there a legal basis or a legal requirement government for these European countries to take their citizens back and the answer is very murky. So let me just try to explain the nuance when it comes to foreigners foreigners in Syria trying to go back to their country. There are two possibilities here right. One is if a European citizen WHO's in Syria is able to get to. Let's say Germany. Let's just use that as an example if they're able to get to Germany on their own and they show up at an airport in Germany or at the border then international law is very clear you have to let them in right the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for example. It says that I'm quoting here. Everyone everyone has the right to leave any country including his own and to return to his country. It's less clear if when it comes to active repatriation so a lot of these. In fact most of these European citizens are in Syria and they have no way of getting back to their countries right they have no L. Way of showing up at an embassy. And saying you know you need to help us because where your citizens but since those citizens are able to get to those embassies you know. They're in prisons camps in Syria. Then what the European countries are saying is that they are not obligated to proactively go into Syria especially remember that these European countries have cut diplomatic ties with Syria so they don't even have diplomatic relations with with that country anymore. So they're saying that we are under no oh obligation to go in and proactively take our citizens back especially that we don't actually consider them citizens anymore because they tore up their passports passports or they denounced their citizenship or participate in an act. That are really untypical. What it means to be a German citizen or a French French citizen Or anything like that. So so they don't even see them as really their responsibility. Okay but these members are in Syrian prisons. Now how being taken care of by Syrian democratic forces they would like to see them repatriated to countries like Denmark the Netherlands UK France. Germany is there the middle ground. Is there a third option. Well a bunch of them are being discussed right now with the Europeans have been discussing amongst one another but also so publicly and what the SDS has also Suggested is for an international tribunal to be held inside Syria in SDF held territory which is in the northeast And for those prisoners to be tried there another option that is being suggested is to have all of them sent Iraq and being tried there because Iraq is a an actual state and has institutions. That are you know at least on paper equipped to deal deal with this issue. Those are the two main options that are being discussed right now and of course. They both come with pros and cons and complications right. So for example for an international international tribunal. You have the question of well. Who would pay for it first of all Under what international law would you be trying these prisoners. One one of complicating factors in this conversation. Is that there is no internationally agreed upon definition of terrorism for example so it would have to be something like crimes against humanity right. But if you're trying someone for crimes against humanity you really have to have solid evidence for that because it's such a serious SECU station and there simply isn't enough evidence for most of these people to be convicted for crimes against humanity. A A lot of the evidence that's being used right now against them is for example they posted something on social media or there's a video of them sitting next to a corpse corpse or or there's an Isis document that lists their name but those examples and those cases are few and far between for most host of the prisoners that are being held in Syria right now. The evidence simply wouldn't really stand up in court is just it strikes me as strange that people are afraid to bring these terrorists back to the countries where they were born or were they have citizenship to try them in a court of law but they don't seem afraid right now that Syria may not have the infrastructure to maintain the prisons where they're being kept and that they're falling into this state of legal limbo and and could potentially just escape. You Know I. I know what you mean. An I can see how you think it's strange but when you think about it and when you think about politicians ends and policy makers in particular it's quite easy for them to to kind of imagine that this isn't going to be a big deal because it's not an immediate threat right like if you bring back people to Europe that is to them an immediate threat that they have to deal with but when you try to explain to them that listen listen if you leave them in Syria they might escape from prison. The Syrian regime might take control over the prisons and then use them to blackmail Europe. They could become more more radicalized and they could radicalize future generations. If they ever escape I mean. There are so many awful scenarios on the horizon if you think about just leaving them there but because it seems kind of far down the road that I think a lot of people convince themselves is that all but that's that's not really a threat. I mean that that might never happen. But are we risking having stateless militants floating from one conflict zone to another I mean. Isn't this how isis was formed in the first place. That's exactly right. I mean Isis grew out of al Qaeda in Iraq. I remember when I was working at the Department of Defense and I was working on the Syria file. I was the Syria country director. And I remember you know in the beginning of few few twenty eleven two thousand twelve when we first started seeing the first steady slow trickle of foreign fighters coming into Syria. And you could just tally. You knew that this was going to be bad. You knew that this was going to end well. But you had leadership across not just in the United States To be fair but but across Europe as well who worked convinced that this was going to be a manageable problem that you could contain this inside inside Syria and that It wasn't really worth kind of trying to game it out or do anything more more serious about it because because it could be contained and that's exactly what I see happening now You know the first time around. I mean you could fault. Leadership in all of these countries political leaders. Either way but you fall them. Fold them even more today because we we saw this before and we spent spent billions of dollars and put together an international coalition to defeat Isis. And we're leaving now and leaving behind thousands thousands of them in an uncertain fate. And we think everything's going to be okay. It's it's really it's just astounding. I don't WanNa fearmongering anything but are you saying that you know. There's the potential here for ISIS members. Who are in these prisons right now? Who are stuck in legal limbo to to regroup and form something newer and even worse than Isis? Is that what you're saying. I don't think it's fear mongering at all to say that I. I think that that is a very possible scenario. And I think people need to understand the gravity of the risk that we're facing right now in letting in these fighters kind of languish in Syria under the control of the SDF just since October ninth. Since the Turkish operation began in the northeast more than one hundred people with alleged links to isis have escaped. And that's just suck Tober ninth and there are eleven thousand thousand of them across makeshift prisons being guarded by a non-state actor that doesn't have the capacity to hold them indefinitely so it's not fear mongering at all it is a genuine an urgent threat and one of the ways to address that threat. And there's just no getting around. This is that the European countries that have citizens on the ground in Syria they have a moral humanitarian and a security based obligation to take back their citizens to relieve the burden off of the SDF and to help every country that is doing. Its part fight and defeat Isis right. Now it's it's a necessary step and I don't think European countries can can't deny that fact even if they choose not to do anything about it. Jasmine el.
"isis" Discussed on Today, Explained
"Hey this is today explained. I'm I'm Shawn Romney's firm last week. We did an episode about a law passed in California that would make classes start a little later so that kids could sleep a little more. I I started the episode by calling one of my oldest friends to talk to him about how we used to show up at seven. Am for zero period at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita California today shortly after that seven. Am Bell Rang for period. There was a shooting at Saugus high school. As these things things go. Not a lot is known yet as these things go at least two students have died and multiple students are in critical condition as these as things go. The shooter is in custody before we start the show today. I felt the need to say something about this. And this is just for me my opinion I refuse to accept that this is just how it goes that this is the cost of doing business in the United States that we can pass laws has to let kids sleep in a little more but not ones that actually prevent kids from being shot when they go to school. I think that's insane. This is not the world we were promised in zero period at seven in the morning. Back at Saugus High School John Williams foreign editor here. Vox yesterday you and I were in a room watching the impeachment hearings William Taylor George Kent and that whole time just a few blocks south of our office here. The president was having a very important meeting. Yeah so he was meeting with the President of Turkey His name is regional type. Airtime John or air to gone as trump incorrectly pronounce his name but he did a lot of people do. It's hard G. G. but like little the it's like in in Turkish that's different. CCA Air to one. We're grateful to President Ertegun and to the citizens of Turkey for their cooperation now. But this isn't just a visit from like Justin Intruder. This is a big deal because the president recently withdrew troops out of Syria and Turkey stepped in right so the US and Turkey have been in a bit of a tiff lately. over a few things so it mostly kicked off with trump and this phone call. He had with air to one a few weeks ago in which he essentially agreed to pull. US US troops out of northeastern Syria. We WanNA bring our troops back home. It's been many many years. It's been decades in many cases. We WanNA bring our troops oops SPEC home and the. US was working with the Syrian Democratic Forces. The Kurdish back forces. We have been partnered for several years fighting. Isis air. John Really. He does not like those Syrian. Kurdish forces considers terrorists and has wanted for a long time to basically launch military incursion. Kick them out of the area get them away from his border And create what. He's calling a safe zone. So trump polls these troops out Turkey. Syria let them take care of it. Let them take care of it. Turkey launches incursion the Turkish military unleashed an onslaught of artillery and airstrikes targeting. The Syrian town of Roselyne trump administration is suddenly like. Hey how dare you launch this incursion. Even though we totally knew that was gonNA happen. I've told Turkey that if they do anything outside of what. Aw We would think is humane to use the word. Second Time we talk about Hong Kong. We talk about this They could suffer. The wrath of an extremely decimated committed economy vice president Mike Pence when over to try to make a deal with Turkey and the Kurds and try to basically get the ceasefire put in place. That's kind of where we are now. So the ceasefire has not totally holding their reports of war crimes being committed by the Turkish backed forces in the area. they're still sporadic fighting on the ground. We are about a mile away from the Turkey Syria border. And we've been hearing fighting the sounds of mortar fire automatic weapons as well as grenades not exactly the sounds. You'd expect up to here during a successful ceasefire a ceasefire with this decision to pull out troops from Syria and to let Turkey step in seemed to anger Republicans. The president's allies far more than anything to do with what happened to Ukraine this impeachment increase. How come so cute things first? We essentially abandoned our Syrian in Kurdish allies. We've been fighting alongside In the fight against Isis and to. WHO's going to deal with Isis? Now now. So the Syrian Kurdish forces that again we were allied with for years fought Isis and they captured a lot of Isis fighters and family members lives children of Isis. They've put up all these basically ad hoc prisons There are thousands of Isis fighters and their family being held by the Syrian Democratic Forces. The Kurdish I back forces when Turkey came in and ran the. STF The Syrian Kurds out of that region. It was like well. What the Hell who's GonNa Watch over these prisons? What's going on With all these fighters like is it now. Turkey's responsibility. Do they even care. There was a prison break. Some Isis fighters and family members of ISIS Escaped the God showed us. This attempted prison break from four days ago. They pull the door off its hinges and they charge even further. Oh the down the corridor and now it's like complete chaos. It's been over a month since the president made this decision and started executing it. What are the conditions right now in these prisons where members of Isis are being held? So these are loosely ad hoc prisons right there like schools and government buildings that they just took over and converted and made into makeshift prisons ends. Where a lot of the prisoners are sleeping on mattresses on the floor cells jammed with thousands of isis foreign fighters countries including person Franz Belgium? The America captured in the Guzzo earlier. This year. Now crump together in prison conditions more reminiscent of concentration comes. There's hardly even room to move around owned super overcrowded. There also these camps One in particular has like something. Like seventy thousand. It's called and hoad account camp that sprung from nowhere now the size of a small town most of the people there are family members so wives and children of Isis. They're also like actual isis fighters thousands of them also in this camp aid organizations. Say It is not too late to save the children of is militants but if nothing changes they say this humanitarian crisis could turn in to a security disaster and it's basically just surrounded by like a rusty chain link fence that's not super secure for basically rounding up people off the battlefield battlefield and putting them places wherever we can find place to stick them and there's no real like accountability. There's no real like accounting of how many people are there so it's kind of a black box which is really scary.
"isis" Discussed on No Agenda
"How is he going to handle that they picked up magnificient diversion by saying this the way the way we act of war wow and most of the American people think that the Russians did hack and there's no substance at F. as in sort of technical evidence that affects what's what's going on this time we have bill bar and the other prosecutor is working on this case namely how this whole investigation of Russia of this whole thing about Russia gate started John Doran Durham and bar Italy Italy because that's where part of the operation started by this very very shadowy figure else bit suit and they get to the bottom of that and the Italians are operating one on here is there in the heat and what we have here in my view there's a magnificent diversion of attention including impeachment proceedings or you know the like to divert attention to what power would come up with and what Durham and bill bar they're keeping their piece but they've got dynamite because really big guys James Call Me Fbi John Brennan CIA KOMITCH deputy people in the Justice Department itself will be shown to be selling yeah nice really big guys are felons I have thousands of sealed indictments you've got really big guys who are felons that's your what's interesting with that clip is an underreported story that just broke which is is goes up on the web but you find even find any of the newspapers is definitely not on any of the media that can clip were and as a bill bar operation defense elegance is a headline you can look you can do a search on this Defense Intelligence Agency worker arrested on charges leaking topsy secret information to reporters did see this yeah I did see it and that's part of I believe what what was talking about starting to pick these guys off cool are you never heard of these people but their disguise the thirty year old he's been arrested for leaking top secret documents to reporters right out of the DIA and this may be the beginning of something some baby both the Governor maybe this is going to happen so what do you think ankle happen sooner thousands of sealed indictments or the end of the world in twenty thirty due to climate change early. Yeah well I think there's three choices one is COMI GONNA be found to be a felon it'd be choice one that thousands of sealed in msrb choice to climate changes you know we already written wrote that one off as bogus yeah I don't know none probably GonNa be picking off these little these characters is going to put a it's going to change things a little bit but nobody's reporting on this this is scandalous meanwhile the president started his own attraction although very interesting once we've been looking well we've been looking at Syria and the pipelines you've probably heard the words homes in Aleppo two full years before it was even in the in the world media regarding the pipelines and the involvement of the Russians and just so many different agenda does at play in in that region and we also looked at the Kurds. The Kurds who have been who this is all part of the Ottoman Empire and This is Hundred year old issue and the Kurds they did they never agreed with the Turks and they have just claimed his territories hey this is ours we call the Kurdistan look it up there's no real country called Kurdistan but they also have the PKK who were swapping out their military uniform badges for me y PG and commonly known as the Syrian Democratic Forces so this all this shenanigans going on on with what started as a thirty day trip to go fix something in Syria that but of course it was really all about energy issues and who owns what Kinda the same thing that Ukraine is going through so president trump says yeah you know what was going to pull out a little bit from his speech from the White House which justifies his actions now the Kurds are fighting for their land just so you understand they're fighting for their land and somebody wrote in a very very powerful article today they didn't help us in the Second World War they didn't help us with no Normandy as an example they mentioned names of different battles there were there but they're there to help us with their land and that's a different thing in addition to that we tr- we have spent tremendous amounts of money on helping the Kurds in terms of ammunition in terms of weapons in terms of money in terms of pay with all of that big said we liked the Kurtz this is like Israel and the Palestinians okay there's only one difference maybe the hatreds even greater is that possible maybe not I campaigned and ending the endless I were all over the world fighting wars half the places nobody even knows what they're doing over there and I feel that we are doing the right thing and I think the reveals that two we've had tremendous support outside of the Washington little Washington area and even in Washington people are saying you're doing the right thing then there's no doubt that the Kurds who were fighting with us against Isis created by US never mind are very brave the very good soldiers that highly respected by the US troops but what trump is saying is correct and what the the narrative the mainstream narrative from the war hawks and knee uh-huh liberals neo cons just everyone who's who sucking off the military industrial complex teat They are outraged inched and they've come up with this idea of saying we'll there are there are closest ally as you mentioned earlier which of course not Israel is the closest ally in the region but our closest ally how could you let them just be slaughtered than not going to be slaughtered they're not stupid they've been fighting the Turks for one hundred years however it is interesting to note that there seems to be some strategy behind this by the way if you're going to say there are ally they helped us we'll then what are you doing pissing on pissing against Russia they won the Second World War for us now we hate them so shut up with that Colonel Douglas Macgregor he's a Fox contributor so he's paid to say this but I really enjoyed his analysis of this move by the president so much so I clipped it from the Tucker Carlson show which I don't do often swamp is clearly very disturbed which I think that's a candidate for inter show Eyeso- a swamp very disturbed because the president has done something that I have not witnessed in the last thirty years he's actually injecting strategy back into American foreign and defense policy let me explain he's turned Mr Aired Awan who has been trying to carve out a portion of Syria now for a very long time remember Mr Air John is also partially Ospel for standing up Isis then isis turned out to be a Frankenstein's monster and he decided that needed to be brought under control now he wants to resettle Sunni Arab fugees in northwestern Syria and create a kind of security zone for Turkish interests but he's also simultaneously told Mr John you can do this but now you are responsible for dealing with Isis if Isis rears its head if it comes back it's your problem this is very important point the president has shifted the burden of responsibility for something that is clearly regional clearly goes back to Turkey to Mr Air John at same time Russia has promised to maintain the territorial integrity of Syria come what may how is Russia going to deal with Mr Aired Awan who has decided to carve out a piece of Syria for his own purposes and then we have Iran Iran wants to maintain its kind of activity to Lebanon and its Shiite allies Ed country but with the Turks dominating northern Syria Iran now is going to be unable or at least will find it far far more difficult to connect with Lebanon the point is the president has checkmated all of key players in the region in Syria now they must confront each other I recommend if possible to rewind that that piece that clip on the show when you're listening to it and look at the man Yep Walhi saying this because it makes so much sense and it taking consideration that we are energy exporters we don't really need it anymore all the Douche bags from decades and decades prior who are in all those deals and that includes the Clintons and the bushes and just all these Cheney's of the world they're all in these deals we don't need it so what I see trump doing his screw it we're out we're not gonNA have any made a very specific threat towards Turkey's if Turkey starts massacring people he says I will I will bring down their economy I will kill their economy and he can strong arm the Central Bank President and said look you've got to do something about the rate of the rate was twenty.
"isis" Discussed on PRI's The World
"And some people just go for the comedy so this one joke does the festival vote on a single best joke of the whole deal absolutely each year a ten comedy critics critics shortlist list of jokes from shows. They've seen that they think the funniest and then the public gets to vote on that shortlist to come up with the funniest joke of the whole fringe festival okay drum roll. What is the funniest joke of this year's fringe festival. Well it comes from swedish comedian all of level off for level. I'm laughing before ever go to. Let's get to the choke. I randomly shouting out broccoli and cauliflower. I think i might might have florette boy. I'm on really poems brit's loved their pumps. We love puns. We think they're funny but flora doesn't even completely rhyme with toronto. It doesn't matter it's british humor. It's a little absurd. It's a little dry and also grown loan of that doesn't matter it's kinda strained into dad joke. Territory isn't it it kind of is i mean i think brits like those drugs where you grown up for a second and then the human huma gene kicks in and you just then you begin to uncontrollably and i assume there's runners up or is there just one joke oh no the show will shortlist and there's ten jokes on the short list in all these one liners that you can read three seconds sir. Can i get for as many as i'm allowed okay so this one a number nine to be or not be all sorta equestrian and this one this one. I'll tell you jerk. You'll get off seconds that is going to kick in a cowboy asked me if i could help him round up eighteen cows i said yes of course that's twenty cows. I immediately got that. I'm proud to real the numbers the most of my colleagues in the museum the world's jonathan dire. Oh i haven't finished yet. Someone told me antidepressants who they are happy. That's enough enough of that for today. Ned porter composed our theme music and from the nanan bill harris studios here at w. g. b. h. in boston. I'm carol hills. Thanks for listening. The world is a co production of w. G. b. h. boston the b._b._c. world service p._r._i. And pierra..
"isis" Discussed on PRI's The World
"Only you know if we did august two thousand nineteen four hundred fifteen ppm of c._o. Two andre what does it mean to use. This glacier has now been declared dead well. This is a significant moment woman because look glacier was one of the places that we actually learned by heart in children's school textbooks so we would learn the biggest glaciers but we with also learn about the smaller places and the main one with the strangest name was the uk glacier. What is i mean. That's kind of the a special thing about what is happening. As it's a peculiar name. It's kind of an archaic name of yoke yoke in english. That is the poll that you use to carry buckets of water. Yoke also means burden or something that process you down so you could say say. The name is up so symbolic because used to carry the what like all the glaciers of the world but now that what is leaving leaving the glaciers into the ocean becoming the burden the question of future generations. What are the implications for the loss of iceland's glaciers pictures. We'll iceland's. Glaciers are actually they are actually hewitt's the thickest glaciers in iceland are about three thousand feet thick and you can imagine a eh three empire state building on top of each other but these glaciers if they were spread over the island we would be under hundred feet of ice so so this is is a huge smash and when this leaves us it's will actually in the earth's crust and can cause what can occur options so what you wrote is. We know what needs to be done and we need to do it so what actually needs to be done. We've just need to transform energy production. We probably need some kind of moonshot clubs act to search for the solution but much of it is just to do what you're told you consume less or respects. The material that we use andrea is thera moment from yesterday's ceremony that sticks with you. There was a girl that sent wishes to greta tune pack the sweetest girls that is actually sailing boats deep south of iceland on her way to new york for the climate meeting in september so <hes> somebody could feel the strange that picked drama actually where children are on a mountain top sending a <hes> <unk> to a girl in the mid atlantic ocean to the country that has always been kind of leading the way you going to the moon and doing lots of cool stuff we have in the world that test decided to not lead anymore and you started to think that it was actually a time for maybe the nordic countries to start taking more responsibility in the world. Andre magnusson isn't this landmark poet and author who wrote the engraving on the memorial plaque that now sits on what was once the auk glacier. Thanks so much under thank you so much. Okay time to lighten the mood with the world's jonathan dire. Hey jonathan like al so what do you have for us well. I've got a joke. It's not my joke at it comes from the fringe festival in edinburgh. That's a big deal. The fringe festival oh absolutely is bill is the biggest arts festival in the world happens every it takes up pretty much the month of august eddie murphy getting a hotel. There are thousands of shows theater music street performers but comedy is really really big.
"isis" Discussed on Hound Tall with Moshe Kasher
"Judges are quite stupid i'm not trying to be it's just that i happen to take due to be happened to have been a history major and take an interest in the stuff and i read howard's and actually i learn most but at wait we've been interfering but britain britain to has been remaking in trying to re figure the middle for years and years and then we always blame them for any kind of problems that come out of it and blow back is what happens when when when we have consequences that happened from that and it's so but the kurds that's a whole other issue to you know that that's a strange when because of like bk you if i'm saying that's the puk date saying hey the i no fan they arrested and beat the shit at a lot of friends around i told you they were just what is to get back to the specifics of your story braves like what i i'd like to know what it was about the kurdish isis military interaction that is connected to our broader understanding look just from our with the media that we're getting fed here in america what does that have to do with isis is movement across the middle eastern region what what is that conflict about why are they fighting while i mean i think isis was very deliberately if not like directly created by one see age and i think it was deliberately a managed us government project to destabilise the region to destabilise syria and i think they albeit on embrace i don't just think that right you were telling me what i found like they have stuff that you could not get a for like a regular arms deal it was like us military great equipment this is isis it is i witnessed that you're looking at an it says military yeah well it doesn't say usmade i don't think the it's got a bit when i say no.
"isis" Discussed on Hound Tall with Moshe Kasher
"They started calling us the same guy who earlier actually that that seemed like a lot really kurt centric so they wish it is it's a kurdish word so they just started calling northern syria and its yeah they're trying to be like it not just kurdish people into what degree does the struggle that the kurds have against isis and against the turks book specifically against isis because that's i guess more salacious and in the news right now how how does that struggle relate to the more global struggle that were more familiar with and western news cycle which is isis is march across as you say something actually as americans we bear all bear responsibility for this because hundreds of geo political decisions going back for years and years by the american government access the american government but we all bear responsibility for this struggle he took action and went to i would say a lot of the things that america the american military has done with the help of british and others have created this situation created the broader destabilization by the arabian everyone has of investment in not unusual that that that he feels of this way what's unusual that he moved toward action in this very radical way to do something like that i know in your point is well taken zinni and i guess what i think is unusual about this is that to me in terms of the american political consciousness we don't think oh i want to go fight with the kurds against isis that feels like a specific slice of political life that is in universally people don't know wouldn't even know to do this is what i was told that the kurds are more in line with us although there have been factors of the kurds i believe like the pku who were very complicit in a lot of the nonsense that went on with our legal invasion of yet with the film the jessica lynch thing and with the alleged finding of saddam hussein in that hole that somehow he got the lid on tab himself in that hold the pkk you that kurdish group helped film and.
"isis" Discussed on PRI's The World
"Support for this podcast is provided by clarke universities international development community and environment department administrations change global problems persist innovate solutions to global challenges like climate change hunger in equity and injustice turn research into action apply at clark u dot edu slash id c e inspired by isis today on the world i'm mark a woman terror charges are filed against a suspect in yesterday's pipe bomb attack in new york he reportedly told authorities he was inspired by isis he began feeling isis propaganda in 2014 meaning that the same man has been essentially following dumb since their earliest incarnation as isis also former navy seal kristen beck says it's time for the us military to do right by its transgender troops there are almost fifteen thousand transgender people serving a military right now not included people are want to enlist if he really there as government for the people and start taking care of your people plus the amazing tale of charles robert jenkins the american soldier who defected to north korea in nineteen 65 those stories and more today you're on the world oh i'm marco were men and you're with the world you come here because you won't connections in today will find an intriguing connection between los angeles and boop involved the nazi concentration camp that's coming up later on the show but we start off by connecting new york city and dhaka bangladesh densely crowded cities on opposite sides of the globe and right now they have this in common in both places investigators are busy trying to find out more about akhiad lula he's a 27yearold suspect in yesterday's pipebomb attack in new york city although it was the only one seriously wounded by the blast which happened in a crowded tunnel between two midtown subway stations we often turn to rick mykola makia the new york times when these sorts of attacks happen and today i asked her what is known at this point about the suspect what we know from the indictment that was filed today in district court in new york is that he very clearly told investigators that he was doing this for isis i think the quoted as india nachman is this is for the islamic state in addition what investigators have learn.
"isis" Discussed on War Stories w/ Oliver North
"Gosh or eyes which is about intolerance which is about destruction we can't just let there a soda style at the isis fight and say how's the fight mozell going reality back and see what are the impact going on in the region miss boilers and the players that are there what are their interests in they're going to be in the fight all the way across syria looks like what is the answer is not just about isis and defeating and in certain towns it's about taking a step back and seeing what our role is as america in that world and we are failing to lean ref failing to show resolve where failing to stand up to two totalitarian regimes to take on terrorism who donald j trump assumes the officers the 45th president united states he and his administration will inherit the war against isis and a splintered middle east is this a time for more active intervention my advice for the this administration basically is going to be that you can't escape reality i mean this is an administration that has hitting the ground in 2017 facing four active wars there is libya syria iraq jenin if bush administration get obama i'm sure if you didn't have that we at the isis is and huge big ideological force and it's is an international force after mozell is liberated what does the future of iraq look like especially for the kurds we has followed hussein the chief of staff to kurdish president massoud bersani once isis has been defeated that doesn't mean they are not coming back we believe in of the right of selfdetermination no photo people after liberation ofrom with we will enter serious negotiation with the iraqi government.
"isis" Discussed on War Stories w/ Oliver North
"What's really concern me woman who chaired the the civilians and the minorities since 2014 the wars in iraq and syria of displaced an estimated eight million people is thousands continue to flee at of motion and other racist controlledareas this man reverend much ed elsherif is made his lace mission to save any religious minorities targeted by isis if you have scenes z this or whatever minority leader would not be please for you in this reverend lshaped she was born in egypt and converted from islam to christianity when was eighteen at some point in that process you were threatened for having become a christian where were holed were you and when when did that happen i was twenty years old in august fifteen 1990 eat i was at its authority i will still two percent of these from hanging me upside down burning me with cigarettes the putting sold on wall assault on him on a might open wounds the crucified me for three days it was it was really hit on earth when did you form your organization to help rescue christian i started one free world international years ago we have branches in different countries so from pakistan afghanistan dot org to sit city year egypt africa ags china and and beyond she's by isis thousands of you zd women and girls have been sold is sex slaves or awarded is quote wives to isis fighters thousands are still being held captive in most eu you have said about and you've succeeded in rescuing the number of those women describe without creating a vulnerability for the process.
"isis" Discussed on War Stories w/ Oliver North
"And fluky isis has been telling these refugees that if they come to this berm that the kurds would fill the credit for the first people cancer their trembling and and hugged him it was awesome and we said get on your phones and tell your friends no one's going to kill you got plenty of food water and medicine and they start coming second thought so they've still got communications inside most over here we're all no less than ten miles away and they're telling the family members i won't be safe if her since the fight to free mozell wrote over here begin in midoctober thousands of refugees have fled to get away from the fighting not nearly as many as people expected and that's because isis is holding them to use as human shields those that do make it end up here along this sperm and what you're seeing here's gathered are the refugees fled over the last twelve hours trying to find some kind of secure in the midst of no water no food and fleeing the torture of what was in mosul in hillis exclusive footage obtained by fox news isis fighters are caught infiltrating was refugees trying to flee you're engaged by peshmerga soldiers and police meetig music as you see it's literally trench warfare fresh merka and police approach adel devices fighter in the trench suddenly another one lying in wait blows himself up it's an all too common isis tactic water water isis fight for every inch of ground and kills anyone they can as the person murder try to beat them in our defeating them of completely defeated every isis element you need food we have yet people are running away from mozell and running away from isis as so when they come here we try to give them any kind of help can food medicine water anything and pray.
"isis" Discussed on War Stories w/ Oliver North
"They have used vehicle born improvised explosive devices and detonated them in civilian areas iraqi let offensive to retake mostly beginning october 2016 the government urge residents to remain in the city but over ninety thousand fled their hell on earth under isis aid reaches some of them from nongovernmental organizations or ngos with thousands of refugees were coming from those fleeing isis to cross this berman to kurdistan aren't getting help from baghdad everything the food the water even the support for these soldiers out here protecting them is all coming from the regional government kurdistan or ngos like the free kurdish rangers and samaritans purse i feel there 500 that's booed and water each box here has meals ten people more one family damn of meat dave eubank these one of the american relief workers risking his life to help the refugees he's a former us army special forces and ranger officer and he and his group the free burma rangers deliver aid and medical care to oppressed ethnic minorities in hot zones like burma sudan and now most civil right now through the new board of an effect on horror of kurdistan in iraq and the current fought for this and they put this lineup asner fighting isis on both sides and this line from here they went back and cleared all these villages vice aleo omar comfy all the small towns in between and finally the sheikh and then once they had that secure displaced he asserted flanked to them here this is the place that they com we can bring them food and water and they get better here and searched and their she get fed and inogate move to refugee half their how many isis suicidal jihadis earth inside walls.
"isis" Discussed on War Stories w/ Oliver North
"Abandoned their posts done left all their equipment so in a matter of weeks isis became a fullblown army isis exploits gaps in rivalries in iraqi politics on occurred and a shia where do you see this going fourth estate this who'll as somewhat has not worked in iraq for the number of fees a a tribal society be tied is not an important factor in our calculation look strategic thinker as in the sense of gorgeous refugee crisis since algeria it's a crisis with europeans it's a crisis for turkey jordan and certainly for the one point three million people to the kurds are having to put up with all oil knowhow knowhow kurdistan has one point three to one point five million people in a small area this is crushing their economy while prime minister hydra our body leads a fractured federal government in baghdad the kurds since another chance for their own nation a dream that's been repeatedly denied going back the ashes of world war one when a secret agreement drawn up between great britain and france divvied up the ottoman empire now is this a chance to draw up new borders not a frenchman and a briton drawing maps in for side well in fact speaker agreement unfortunately shape the current lease that just a reminder yana president woodrow wilson was the first american president thirty five the only president ever that cold for the selfdetermination of the kurdish people at that time unfortunately it was never realised just a few days ago.
"isis" Discussed on War Stories w/ Oliver North
"Has utilized or took advantage off the still that for lukman philly the fight to rid isis from iraq his personal born in baghdad philly's the son of kurdish and shiite parents until the summer of 2016 he was arrested embassador to the united states it's a new war which isis dis should i still are trying to project we talk about an americanled coalition but there's no american leaders up there if you say to me can this war be conducted without them and it can outset steadily not we constantly hear about the u s led 65 nation coalition well i'll be darn to fight see anybody out there leading from the united states what's the truth of it we've got a cobbled together group of factions right now in iraq as you feet i mean you've got the kurds you've got the shia militias free iraqi former army you've got embedded us advisors there are some uk in french support going on from the air plus the us air strikes and intelligence surveillance reconnaissance put there others who have a stake in the battle for motion including iran while we were waiting to go through the checkpoint a convoy showed up this long convoy of what appear to be mostly commercial vehicles in fact this is one of the provisional military units a shiite militia headed by iran's islamic revolutionary guard corps and the courts force we were all told before we went sense that there is no of the none of these shiite militias are actually engaged in this fight and yet they're they were people waiting to go into the fight in mozell what role of the iranians playing.
"isis" Discussed on War Stories w/ Oliver North
"The true yes two thousand also of uh jihadist isis jihadist came not in a blitzkrieg likely invasion of france very fast very more bile in that vacuum describe what happens with the iraqi army that we train sensitive from two thousand eight two thousand eleven and we will continue to advise insist and all of a sudden were gone what happened to that army they felt that if they would fall if there are prisoners taken prisoners by isis that'd be beheaded they'll be kill in nobody sitting would give them a hideout or the place to go and hide so they just started to run away in late june 2014 mozell fell to isis and hell on earth begin for every man woman and child in the city their choice submit or be butchered on friday july force 2014 during ramadan prayers at moses great mosque abu bucked are all big dottie shadowy leader of isis appeared in a wellproduced video and proclaimed himself to be kale of of the islamic state one of them why did l baghdadi pick the great mosque in mosul to deliver his caliphate speech mozell to them was to become the actual legal capital of the caliphat now they called it rucker but eventually they wanted a city that is close to back that they took over that territory but still this administration stood by and did nothing it wasn't intel really august of 2014 they started reluctantly conducting military operations but then it was these pinprick strikes barely going after their fielded forces command control their ability to resource and finance their operation and allow them to continue to bring in foreign fighters train innovative was take my territory terrorising kill individuals and then export their terror to europe and around the globe unfortunately the vacuum which ices.
"isis" Discussed on War Stories w/ Oliver North
"In 2014 an isis army stormed across the syrian border recaptured most the second largest city and must obtain me now the jihadis brutal reign of terror is finally headed for extinction i'm oliver north and this is war stories we'll before the fight to liberate woolsey began in midoctober 2016 military experts warned this could be a very bloody affair while it certainly burnett earn a whole lot more now a war stories team was once again on the front lines of what may well be a last major battle against isis in iraq he if these images of motion before and after isis it's easy to forget the promise this city once represented to a free iraq including arab muslims bulled sunni and shia kurds christians and jews 80s it's being described as the most complex military operation since saddam hussein was toppled in two thousand three by uslead coalition this time iraqi special forces are leading the fight now centered uncontrol of mosul once a vibrant city of more than one point five million people in northwestern iraq let's committed five thousand iraqi military police are now engaged in bloody housetohouse fighting against suicide uil isis jihadis this is bourbon warfare in closequarter combat among hundreds of thousands of hostage civilians being used as human shields isis as updates game with born ideas and other technologies and have brought brutal casualties but they've they're fighting hard right now as we speak congresswoman martha mcsally served twenty six years in the us air force retiring as a colonel.
"isis" Discussed on We The People
"Many thanks for that uh chris um bruce says that the president's decision to invoke the authorisation of the use of military force against alqaeda after nine eleven can't plausibly be applied to isis because license and alqaeda are at odds wide did president obama conclude that the post nine eleven resolution was illegitimate authorization for the war against isis there are thanks jeff i think it is to step back a little bit on that question so isis um the us has was engaged in hostilities against alqaida in iraq from the about two thousand three to doesn't scored two thousand eleven i think that there is far as i am aware there was never really much of a um much legal uh was a legal question raised about those hostilities and there is any instead of interreg them wind was as much wasn't which actually for the us in our cut in iraq but again into doesn't fourteen because of the rise of isis the us resumed hostilities in in isis is basically successor group to alkai in iraq so i demonstration thought they were too statutory legal dc's so the use of force against uh isis at a time known as ice all when we started hostilities in iraq and syria so i i would uh divert does differ from predecessor arguments saying was unilateral action i think the the president leaves his actions work with the endorsement of congress which is why the sixty day on our vision and the work hours resolution was not implicated in those two series or one under the two thousand one a amassed an embassy areas and in the administration in an interpretation of that a amac endorsed by both the congress and the courts aesthetic covers alqaeda the taliban associates forces the view is that.