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Creating TV shows on an iPhone

Talking Tech

17:02 min | 11 months ago

Creating TV shows on an iPhone

"Talking Tech is brought to you by Nerdwallet we all love nursing out on stuff. We love right and as a listener of this show. You probably know a thing or two about tech but when it comes to finances no-one nerds out like nerdwallet. For All your money questions turned to the nerds at nerdwallet dot com during this pandemic. We're seeing so many. Tv people recording from home. And you're probably wondering. How are they doing this power? They recording on an iphone in reaching the broadcasting facility we've got rich to mural here he is tech reporter for Channel Five Ktla in Los Angeles and he does remotes first TV stations. All over the country and he's going to fill us in rich. How you doing? I'm doing fantastic. Let me just first say A. I think it was like my little personal dream to go live from my home for all of my stand in one place and do five hours of live shots every morning for all these TV stations. And I thought. Wow wouldn't it be more efficient from a home studio and do it from there? Well now. I've been forced to do that. So my little dream has become a reality. But I'll tell you it's been kind of a nightmare because it's not very easy and if you've been watching me on TV folks that have been seeing have seen kind of an evolution of me going live from home because Ktla has been fantastic. They said Hey. Just do what you need to go live from home. Whatever and get the equipment need thankfully as a tech person. I have a lot of the equipment that I need to do this. But the bottom line is at this point. You only need a smartphone. Which is the IPHONE and some software and a microphone and so we've used two pieces of software. Ktla one is called zero and the other is called TV. You and both of these things work in the same way. They take a signal from phone and they broadcast it back to home base. So it's kind of like using skype but it's managed by the TV station so they can manage in. The quality is way better than what you would get on an off the shelf product. Does that make sense does blitz? Let's go. Let's go through the process of doing the morning show It's Seven. Oh five and they cut to they okay. We got rich with his tech segment. Now now you're sitting in Los Angeles at home and you've got the IPHONE. It's ready to go take the process. Yes so when I get up in the morning It's Kinda like it's it's like lighting up a little studio so in my spare bedroom which I've used the kids playroom. I cleared it all out. Which actually has been very bad because the echo has been the biggest issue with the studio and the problem is normally and this is the other issue that I've run into normally when you're setting up a home studio what do you do you figure out what you need what you have and what you don't have and you order the rest on Amazon. It's there the next day. Well guess what during Kovic Times? You can't just get next day delivery from Amazon so it has been a challenge to set up a home studio because I can't order the products that I need so what I have. Here is a ring light that I used to use for live shots when I used to do like a podcast from home like a facebook live so I I put that up and the ring. Light is kind of a big circular light. That goes around my phone. My iphone sits in there and then underneath the iphone I have another tripod with a an ipad on it and I actually went to best buy and bought the Tripod Mount for that jobe mount and then for that. I've been using that as kind of a screen to watch. Ktla and to also use as a teleprompter and so I did experiment with Tele prompting APP as well. I didn't think it looked good on TV. I thought my eyes were a little shifty so for me. It's easier to actually just kind of memorize some of my lines and read them off the script when we go to Video which he called voiceover But the microphone has been tricky. I've tried a lot of different microphones. A lot of the reporters at home are using the Apple. Included ear buds. And those work really. Well otherwise you have to kind of put a microphone into your phone which is not very easy because professional microphones. Don't connect to the iphone unless you have a conduit so I've been using a board that I use for my podcast to connect the microphone into the phone. So it's very complicated Jefferson. What microphone are you connecting theoretically into the phone while so right now I'm using? Oh my Gosh I have to look at my my headphones. Hang on. He's our audio Technica. And so this is an audio technica. It looks like one of the microphones that a sports caster would use. It has the microphone that sticks out but also the nice big headphones so with that I can hear what's called. Ifp So the other. Tricky part of this whole situation is that it's not like a video call where you have to have. What's the return from TV in my ear? So I have to be able to hear what anchors are saying to me in my ear and I mean it gets really complicated. That's usually what we call. We have this little cable that runs to a box that we listen to the programming of the station on. And when you're there live obviously you can hear the anchor talking to you but when you're out in the field you have to connect to be box and that's also another challenge but these programs like I mentioned the zero and the TV You. They allow you to pipe in the programming cheer. Ifp. I'm getting a little in the weeds year for the consumer audience. Okay do you pick up those programs in the APP store or are they? Do you get some other way. We'll see these programs are something that the TV stations pay a lot of money for because they come associated with receiver so when I actually am broadcasting. I'm broadcasting to a specialized receiver we have at KTLA. So if you're using something off the shelf like a zoom or skype many times and if you're at a small TV station they might use these technologies. They might just be mirroring. Your your end of the call onto the air and that doesn't look very good for many reasons because you might have delay. You might have the menu bar of the computer in there. It's not very clean so what I'm doing is I'm actually broadcasting to a receiver that day then put on the air like anything else so this was amazing to me. Jefferson I went live for all of the TV stations. Do nationwide from my home here in Los Angeles in the spare bedroom and that is something that I never thought I would be able to do and I get it. People are very are very Understanding of the situation right now so when it comes to hair and makeup and the way you look in the way you sound. People are very forgiving right now and that has been. Kinda Fun because it reminds me of being back in high or college where you'd imagine you're broadcasting from your home room or in high school you know when. I play like I had my own little show for my bedroom. I mean it's basically that except professional. Now it's really funny. You've also saved the commute time. I've saved the commute time although I go to work pretty early in the morning so I don't really have a very big commute time but to me. The most fun of this is really the fact that we're able to do this. And as a tech person personally I think it's a lot of fun to see. How can I get my studio to look and sound good? I wish I had access to more stuff because of the whole Amazon delivery thing I don't but again It's still really fun to see what you have around the house and how you can solve problems with the products that you already have laying around now. Why using iphone in not a good camera that because you have good cameras to but you've chosen the iphone is. Is there something about the iphone that makes it work with live TV? I thought about that and I think the iphone is sort of all in one. And that's what I like about it. We can install these programs on there. And it's literally you turn the phone towards yourself if you WANNA see yourself on the screen you can frame up your shot. You can plug in a microphone. It's it's basically an all in one deal and that's what I like about it now. If I was going to do something more permanent I would probably look into a more permanent camera or a fixed camera you know one of those DSL ours but the reality is you don't really need that. It looks pretty good coming off the IPHONE. It's simple it's easy and the beauty of it is that I am locked down here in my studio but the the miracle of reporting nowadays is that you can go live from anywhere in the world with your iphone and one of these APPs and that is something that is just so amazing to me as someone who's been doing this for fifteen plus years it's I've seen the progression and when I first started out that kind of stuff was just not possible. You needed a giant rig. You need a giant satellite. You need a microwave transmission and now the fact that you can rival what is contained in one of those trucks. You see going down the street with your local news crew on it on the side the fact that you can rival that with an iphone to me is pretty amazing. Also Pretty Fun and are you. You're using the selfie camera. They the one. That's not the where the resolution is not as great as the The other camera. I've gotten some comments on that on twitter but the problem is when you're a one man band and you are lining up your shot. It is really tricky to turn your camera around. Run around to the back of the camera. See what your shot. Looks like runback around sit down? You can't really tell what you look like on the fly. If you're using the opposite camera you know the the better camera on the backside. So I have chosen to give up a little quality and make it easier for me on myself to just Kinda see additionally. If you're using the back camera I would not be able to see if I'm broadcasting a lot of times or sometimes the signal will drop out and next thing you know you're not connected anymore and you won't be able to tell that that's happening if you weren't looking yourself on the screen. So there are some downsides using that camera but it works out for me so if I if I understand correctly you've got the iphone and that is your broadcasting Camera in right underneath is an IPAD showing you a live shot of Ktla. So you know that it's time for you to jump in. Yeah and also that. Also that's just more of a monitor because the time to jump in is really done through what I what I mentioned earlier. Which is the IFP so the IFP with broadcasters always the delay? So what happens is I hear the anchors. They say tossing to me and they say hey rich tomorrow is at home with his tech report and I hear that in my ear long before you see that on TV. So if you're just watching it on TV I've already. I'm pretty much done a minute before you see it on. Tv maybe not that long but it just depends on your setup but again it's because I am broadcasting before it gets through all the transmitters before it gets through the Internet there might be I think on Ktla with a slight delay just in case someone says something. They shouldn't have to pop out of it. You know like the old sensor thing but again I hear it in my ear in real time and that's my cue to go. I start talking and it goes on the air and to your homes across America. Which again to me is just you have to understand. Jefferson. We're both nerds and to me as a nerd sitting here in my home with all this equipment. Kinda patched together. It's really interesting the fact that here. I am rival rivalry ring rival ring. I can rival what we can do with our big equipment from the company from the TV station from the engineers. It doesn't look as good but it's there and I assumed that somebody in the studio is adding payroll over over your tracks. Well that's the other thing that's kind of interesting is that we have my photographers working from home. He's editing from home. Then I have my producer. Who's working from her home? And she's editing the video for the pieces and putting in the script so we are all working from three different locations and then you have. Ktla fourth location. That is bringing everything together. I mean it's really something that has never truly been done in the history of news where yes reporters have been out in the field forever. But they've been out in the field with specialized equipment that connects them to the station to have someone editing your story in one place. Your script and Rundown as they call in another place me broadcasting from another place and Ktla collecting all those things in another place. You're talking four separate things working together. That is That is not really been done before. And we're figuring this out as we go along as well now. Have you watched any of the late night shows? I believe Conan is doing it on an iphone and Seth Meyers is doing an IPAD. Have you seen those? I have not seen anything that I haven't seen online in little clips and so I know that other people are broadcasting. I've watched a lot of it on instagram. I've I've been following the HASHTAG. Tv News Life. A lot of reporters are tweeting their setups and posting about their setups. I am fascinated by the setups that I'm seeing. I saw Al Roker. He was broadcasting from his backyard. So again this is fascinating to me to see how people are doing this. The number one trend I see is that most people are using an iphone which to me. I've thought about this because you know me. I love iphone. I love Android but there are inherent benefits into using the IPHONE. And mainly. That's how the software works really nicely with the hardware and the accessories and that's the advantage. I've seen with going that way. Yeah I just wish. We didn't have to put a Dunkel in for microphone. That that's the one one drawback hundred percent agree. I actually really like this little gadget. I have from Belkin called the rockstar which plugs into the lightning poor actually separates out so you still have a way to plug in your phone to power and it gives you a real headphone Jack at the same time. Because there's not many microphones that I know of that plug into a lightning poor. I'm sure there are. But most microphones are xl. Are which is the big professional way. Can the road the road wireless go with Gongol will go into their Dunkel? Got Dangled Dangle which I again this comes back to the whole Amazon thing this stuff. It takes a bunch of accessories to happen. I mean yes. At the end of the day you can plug in the headphones. You get from your iphone and you can go life but if you want to make things look a little bit better and you want to expand upon it. You do need some accessories. And you need some adapters. And yes. In this case I wish we still had the headphone Jack on the iphone but then again on most of the androids they are gone as well. So it it's the same thing. Well it sounds like a great new chapter for the update of the phone book. Yeah we'll see. I think I think that to me. I would rather have the update to the office. I think that this is going to convince I might I might be able to convince. Ktla to let me do this. Maybe one day a week from home now because I've proven that I can do it for all the stations and when you're just sitting in one place for five hours doing something over and over. I mean. I don't necessarily need to be there to do that so I think if I can get the audio figured out and the video figured out maybe after this whole covert thing Blows over which I hope it does soon and people are safe again. Outside of the home I might be able to convince them to. Maybe put a semi-permanent setup. That would look great every day of the week. All right well. Good luck rich. Let's do your plugs. Most importantly just find me on social media. I am at Richon would love nothing more than for you to follow me there and listen to my podcast of the same name rich on all right. I'm Jefferson Graham could find me on twitter at Jefferson Graham. You've been listening to talking tech. Please subscribe to show wherever you listen to online audio and subscribe to reach on taxes. Well I'll be back tomorrow with another quick hit from the world attack. This episode is brought to you by nerdwallet. Nerdwallet has helpful tools and tips for all things personal finance because when it comes to finances no-one nerds out like nerdwallet. Are you wondering if now's a good time to start investing or if you should refinance your house when you have those kinds of questions trust the experts at Nerdwallet? They're real nerds. Who Make even the most complicated money questions? Simple to understand. 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192: Comfy Chic and a Full Ass Exorcism

And That's Why We Drink

1:52:01 hr | 4 months ago

192: Comfy Chic and a Full Ass Exorcism

"Yeah. Happy, October. October I don't know what day in October but I think this comes out in October. I mean we're in September. It's not like we're far away from October right now but I think this broaching into Halloween season this episode but makes sense to me. I'm glad because I don't know that it makes sense to myself I'm on. I. Think I'm weight understanding excellent does what I used to say all the time at high school I think on my way that's actually a really diplomatic way being Guyq there what are you talking about? I'm on my way to greater understand your level of have I crossed the finish line absolutely not I don't know I. Don't think I met I think I accidentally created a bootleg finish line wait a minute and we're far away and you got off course and now hired is kind of in the woods. Yeah. I was by finish line I mean the one that we created in like an industrial. Are Away from the marathon with Chuck and anyway welcome to our show. It's called in. That's why we drink. It's about ghosts and murder Oh and all our inadequacies. Of Inadequacy as I have two things I would like to say both about my own inadequacies congratulations one I decided that I was also GonNa do the Myers Briggs test again because I haven't done it in a while. And if you listen to one of our last episodes I, think the last one you said you were IFP turbulent. Yeah. I. Did it because I'm. Kind of. On the fence I'm like apparently a perfect ambivert and so every time I is there enough. P or enough it depends on like your week that week. Day I'm. Okay be lent turbulent no way I like. So shocked also are me inadequate non calling myself inadequate I well, maybe both yeah. Yeah I'm. With you on that right I never knew turbulent was like part of the deal here. But apparently, that's the funny thing was I read because my mom was like I'm a search she took it too and got certified and I read them. So it was like what's the difference and turbulent was all negative like there was nothing. But also turbulent people have this benefit. It's like, no, you're kind of I mean I've never heard turbulent used in a positive way. So that kind of has a connotation to it. Anyway, well, welcome sort of your, maybe you're a little more talkative. Sometimes maybe because I today apparently I am sixty, five, extrovert thirty, five inch really Oh, I didn't look at the numbers spent madness pretty high. Thank people think I'm an extrovert but. They don't because we're talking and so that like Gibson. Alludes that like were very like. Yeah. We're open into being social loud So there's that. Europe is on everyone's turn the volume down in their car. Anyway well we have a couple things to ou another one did I did I want to apologize to you because to me? Yes, I know you're gonNa tell me that I'm being silly. You're gonNa tell me that reason to be to apologize but I like law sleepover last night. Because I because of the fucking the comments again that I made yesterday of classy trash boy we've. Okay. We've had this conversation separately outside from multiple times I I'm just like so into it and gets mad when I, bring it up. Well, I got I mad at myself I'm not mad at you. I'm projecting because. Oh. But so here's the thing. Okay. So last night I was like I couldn't fall asleep I can't believe on the radio I literally called her from Ohio like I get it. Well. So I decided that I was I went I spent all night trying to find. What did you do? Well, 'cause I remember ISOS like there's No there isn't a photo I tried though, but I was like you look like something and I don't know how to describe it and then cloudy trashes came out of my mouth and I was like there's got to be a better way to phrase what the hell. So I did a bunch of I went on a bunch of Vogue magazine inserts to like figure out what Styling Vision Board in your head in my head. Yes. N PT and definitely Bulent, and here's what I broke it down to because there is a lesser, it's not like the forty main types of women style forty. Got It. So I went through the forty and I was like, okay, it's a hybrid of of a couple of these. So I nailed it down I think to. An actually goes with today like I would. Still my first rough draft would say this is also classy. TRAV- rate but. After a rough draft and now my second draft, I would call it Boho. Farmhouse. Or modern, cottage core. That's what I. got it too. So core. Yeah. Wow. I it's like comfy. But Sheikh? Yes. Comfy. Chic I guess is really what the final draft we'll see. Maybe you should be allowed. I like cottage core. It sounds a little scary. It's like little house on the prairie happened today but like they were Kinda like. That trend they had tiktok or something like trendy prairie. Trendy Prairie Lea, we like to come up with the house in the city. Okay Okay Eddie Ray that's where we are all. Thank you I. Mean I loved I'm not GonNa lie to you I really liked the for rough draft also so I might Boho farmhouse I feel like that's also kind of working with you. I. Don't know you. Sound like saying, you would like and I would like it sounds like a good combo. So I, feel like. It fits also thank you. There you go. I wanted to do a corrections, corner myself even though it was not needed but I appreciate it deeply and I have more words to now if blaze ever says like what style going for you got quite ablaze asked me most days. What style I'm going for that day especially when we're both at home all days and I wear the same pants everyday and by pants I mean no pants. So today you actually brought new pants to the stadium because I was wearing pants. So the Zipper and I went I don't enjoy this anymore. I don't know why. Thank you so about these joggers and I was at target and realize this was coming out in October and I thought Halloween's coming up. So about this drink up witches shirt looks good and you really can rock an olive green like none other. It's one of my favorite colors you're lucky. It's like in these it I know because I just looked up all the styles last night feel a lot. A lot of luck that olive green is in Boston mustard another one of my fear colors and that one piece swimsuits are back in style not. Not having it with the other situation, the Mono Kini I. Oh, boy trash I heard that was classy track Chrissy Teigen the only one that really pulled that off so Kabuga bless. Anyway well. Happy. Almost spooky season or happy spooky season. I started decorating my house already Oh me too. Yeah. It. It's looking great. If Hawker impressed. Yeah. The cockroaches are loving all the Spiderweb mixed with the real. and then oh I had an update 'em ghost update. Ohio that I wanted to bring up on the show since a spooky season So something else weird happened because a lot of people ask like or you still seeing ghosts or whatever. So hearing voices and I haven't heard voices in a long time and then like to it was right after I got home from my last trip. So it was like end of August I would say a couple of weeks ago. I was talking to blaze about he was sitting on the Honda Sofa and I I was talking to you where do you sit on? Four blaze and. I was talking about the live show and like it turns out the virtual I've show he had turned it off because it scared him too much which I thought was a good sign, right? That's a big compliment. So as talking to him about it and then like Alec Corner. My I I saw. Something, going on the stairs again and I went. Oh It's O. and then blazers like look and I turned around and Gio is over there and I was like he's like Christine. I don't want to tear this like don't say this to me because it was made up of his head and I, remember we started the show and he was a skeptic. Having it anymore especially in his own house now and so then I heard I heard footsteps upstairs and I was like, okay it's gotta be the cat 'cause my cat's stomp Salat. SP certainly was not the cat either because he was also downstairs. So we were like, well, this is fun for us and then that night I woke up like. This does not happen often because you both have sleep troubles but I like woke up like in startled. Yeah and I woke up. And I was just like wide awake and. Everything was silent and then all of a sudden like a few small heart was racing a few seconds later. every like phone and. electronic device in a room like pinged like it was being plugged in and I realized like the power had just like shut off and turned back on like everything lit up and pinged all at once that was plugged in all the alarm clock whatever a we don't have an alarm clock I'm not like one hundred, but you know what? I? So everything like the IPAD and our phones went like the plug in noise and I was like what the Hell says Oh, the power must have gone out for some reason, and then I went to my like Adt security APP and it was like, no, no cut to power like no issue with his fucking with your. Home. And it was such an incredible energetic surge that it also woke you. It will be before it happened which really freaked me out. So it's like wanted you to see. Yeah it was uncomfortable at best and then so I'm like lying there like I need to go back to bed and I like. All of a sudden, I heard the stomping and it was June this time and he walked in and he liked. I Dunno he has never done this before, but he walks in jumps on the bed walks directly up to my face and just like stairs into my eyes and I was like. I know Sir. Like frozen I was like high juniper like can I help you? I don't know what you're doing and he just kinda breathe like feel breathing he was close to my face and then he just. Stood back up walked out the door and I just like went back to bed but it was the most ungodly. You better fucking fixed. Yeah. He was what if we done anyway it was just very unsettling an it all happened in like a three hour period and I was like this something it was when I was saying, Oh, I haven't had anything creepy happened in a long time and it goes like. Anyway. So that's my little update the thing with the everything turning off and on at once after I woke up with a start was really unsettling and then juniper was like watching it was very creepy. Any Fares are weekly reminders that I'm never flying to Ohio. Okay. Well, we have one last update. That's very important though oops i. Totally take away from all I know what it is. Yeah, figure. No. Oh. No Oh no. No it is that we finally Dr Gift Videos as we were saying, we open the big gift that we mentioned that a bunch of people apparently got together and gave us a gift, the Patron Yard Eva apparently new. Okay. Also super downplayed up maybe maybe they also play to her yeah I don't think any of us knew what was going on but. We haven't been able to open our gifts are we've also been lazy and the last two times you were here we would do and then but are we've had a lot of gifts sense quarantine began that we needed to open, and so we decided to do like a series of videos reopened up a bunch of them, and the very last video did which you can see all these. If you're a patriot of our, we got a wooden Dildo we got we got two windows faint God. Thank finally it's been five. I finally have seen at all. Yeah. It was like, what is this I was like, hello, it's a wooden del don't you remember someone like in their own like woodshop made smell great. We have a lot of we have a lot of gifts of Christine rubbing them over a lot of it yet just because it smelled good but so. At the in the last video that we did was our final gift that we opened. Apparently a lot of people end Patriot on facebook group have been like getting together and arranging this big birthday gift for us that evoke was of on an Eva said like, oh, well, there Jesse no like one of the bigger packages is going to be from a group of people and so when I heard group I seem like a couple people like group chat friend group or something yeah. Like they like. You know I didn't think it was as it was, but we open this gift and the first thing we saw was this card where it was like two hundred people had gotten together. Yes and believe not only gotten us some amazing gifts which were about to discuss but on top of the wonderful gift. So we got they also altogether donated a thousand dollars to three different charity at two black lives matter the bail project. And I. I mean I started like you start weeping was weeping. Crying, but we also been an like what could be in this big box giant lemon and we literally pulled out a violent. It was like a like a a massive lemon per yes it was like a big. CASE MADE LEMON I which I've already packed my suitcase as if I'm going anywhere cool and hip will take a picture of an put it here. So cute. Also, if you're watching youtube the Youtube, how old? I. Also we each got a if you don't what Cronin Pot is shadow to them oh, my God but we each got for canvas painting of I got one of Geo. It's his head on Captain America's bodies like a painting. It looks like an oil change. It's an it's a wonderful. PUT A if I had a fireplace above the fireplace got the farmer and his wife, which apparently is actually farmer and his daughter learn but of Geo and juniper and it it's it looks beautiful. I would I would pay star March. Yes. They like it should be museum. Yes it should. Tomfoolery. No, no no. This is not foolery and then, and then arguably the best thing that happened was I dug to the bottom of the spots and all of a sudden I saw this This large box at said actually future part two on it and I stopped dead my tracks and I looked at Christine and I said, I'm thinking I'm hallucinating I. Need you to look in the here and tell me if you also see this, he stopped breathing because I have I. Knew. It wasn't a second saw that box 'cause I know what was that box because I've been wanting them since I was eight years old and now officially own the Nike Airmax Don Oh light up by the their lit up back to the future these are not the like sixty thousand dollars auto lace very disappointed and you guys. But we were saying if they donated a thousand dollars to charity and then fifty thousand dollar shoes I think we'd have a lot to talk about. I I. Have One of these sons I was a child is there like so cool I. Also I'm wearing my back to the future part two hat rate I told Christine she's lucky I didn't even think about bringing my hover board or my jackets I feel very lucky. Thanks could've gotten real crazy today but so this is a I've one of these shoes forever they light up there. They've got the little like the blue SPEC spackling on it. And Se has a couple delightful shops where you can get all the extra modifications to make them look like bridget. So I've already purchased though and sorry they also included like a little coke usb drive that thumbnail my dumb ass. I learned that they gave us a wine cork and then Christine was like, no, it looks like it hold up link donor on the. USB and they apparently all gave us birthday messages on there and I haven't been able to. We don't are computers don't have ESP drive. So we're GONNA watch it later today but while it really was A heart-stopping like we were totally taken aback. So thank you and everyone else who mailed gifts especially that it took us months to even get to oak down. We're sorry I just want to blame covid. But also, it was partially hard whenever I would get together had like a million things to do and it always got pushed as much as like it's shocking that pushed back opening presents it sounds like impossible but it happened. So, usually, like for example, you only here for like forty eight hours. For four days but are you? Yes sir. But I thought yesterday it was the first thing you know base camp. Two days ago and I live tomorrow. But welcome feels forty hours has not a dozen like forty dollars. I can tell you that much a person who didn't travel those like I've only seen you. It ends up being five Russell Day. It's a long. It's a long time We found out a lot. We hung out three days in a row now. I know. Okay. Well, anyway yet. So it's hard to get everything in, but we did that finally. So we'll post those on patron. In we're just really thankful for everybody. Yes. Sorry. This was such a long. That but I'm also really excited about my stories today. It's just so wild and creepy like I lost sleep last night I was so creeped out shit. So Spooky Spooky season is beginning. So we can probably all agree that the perfect diet doesn't really exist. So despite eating a balanced diet getting all the nutrients you need for your. To thrive can be really difficult and you know someone with a chronic illness. 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I had covered apparently had not I think I was mistaking it for the Enfield Poltergeist. I remember that one So this is the snicker family haunting or the vast nutmegger house This was the inspiration for haunting in Connecticut where I think the Enfield Poltergeist was inspiration for the conjuring. Got It. So I think I got none of that means anything to me, but I got it. Well, let's learn about half on my way to understanding what you're saying at the finish at the bootleg finish line where you're almost there. Okay. So this story takes place in nineteen, eighty, six and this the house belonged to Carmen House networker the they moved to this house was in south Southington. Southington Connecticut and the address of the house by the way is to eight myr meriden avenue I'm only saying it because it does exist all over the Internet. You can find the address and a lot of places, but it is a private residence. So not like dachshund well, we are seeing them but everyone's doc. Seen Them. It's very easy to find. So I don't like I'm like spreading private information it is a private residence and apparently the people who live there are fine with you taking pictures from the road. You don't do any further especially with the social distancing like don't need that. Oh especially during that But yeah. So it's in southern Connecticut and Carmen Allison the moved from move there from New York to be closer to the Yukon Hospital and not Uconn University of Connecticut, I think you con-. Not like Canada Yukon Oh I was like what other Yukon is there asking like why you like on the school to be closer to the hospital because they had a son who was Dealing with cancer who know and so they want to move closer to the hospital so that they would be able to so just be easier. So mean they were like it's going to be so much easier if we moved to this house and I imagine whatever's coming is not. Exactly. Like oh we had a great idea. Oh, being oh so one thing I'm going to say is I, am confused about the Children's names it's definitely Carmen and our the parents but different stories have made it sound like there were three kids of theirs and one or two nieces that lived with them. Okay. But the nieces either already lived with them or Shell leader in the story and I'm not sure where what the accurate like the origin is. Yeah. I don't know if they moved in and they're the niece also moved with them. Orphans moved leader. Okay. Also, their names are Kinda wild. So like the son who had cancer net occur. I'm expecting something there. Well, I mean it's like based on different stories. There's different names I. Think some stories were further privacy, but then other places use their actual names and then there's a movie based on them. So they have their own names like fictional names as well. So every character every character I mentioned has like three different name icy and it was for a while hard to keep up with like, Oh, who's but I I know from actual interview, the Carmen and Al did that the sun with cancers name was Stephen Okay. Although and a lot of articles he's known as Philip, and then there's another son that they have named Michael according to that they their personal interviews but a lot of articles named him, Bradley, will I know this happens a lot at least true crime where minors are given names or yeah in the media and then a lot of times later on the family will refer them by the real name and then it gets like a half step. So that could be I think. But maybe that's what I dealt with and maybe. I also didn't like watch the movie in preparation. So maybe Philip and Bradley or the movie name will shirt or maybe there's a whole other side names I'm not sure but Stephen is officially the. Son's name. Got It and so they originally moved into this house not only because it was closer to the hospital, but they kinda like locked out quote. was a very big house. I could fit their whole family which had at least their three kids and maybe one or two nieces got it and it was cheap enough for them to also cover their medical affordable. Oh, a big ass house. That's cheap. I wonder what's happened there yeah. and also They realized that it had enough rooms when you also include the basement where the boys would be sharing a room. nope. or at least sharing the space so on. Movin. Day. Apparently Stephen Right away said we have to leave immediately this is evil and something would add is going to happen if we stay. Can you imagine if your kids said that you'd be like I just down and get? Mortgage on this House Oh God, it's too late. Sorry on. And so. Again. There's different versions to the story and I don't know what's necessarily the movie versus what is reality versus what the alleged claims are. Okay. So there's against three different versions because. To him later, but there's an author named Ray Garton and he wrote a originally, they were calling it like. like a non fiction book about everything that happened he was using as much detail as possible. It's a give is accurate of a story as possible and then later he says like, oh no, it's fiction. So you can't even really trust what see the archives of this are right But the main story is that Al when they're moving in goes down to check the basement before the boy start moving their stuff in and he sees that the room is full of embalming table embalming stuff tables and medical tools. ooh Oh, and they just left that they're. Abandoned there's left all the equipment there and it apparently in that room, they also had a chain powered body left and one of the walls either was stained with blood or had a drain for blood. Could buy and good night to everyone. I'm not participating in this anymore. So They realized that the House I don't know how they realized it or how they got this information, but they find out that the house was called the Jala. Han. Funeral home. And the body was literally to lift corpses from the basement of the I four. Well, yeah. I kind of guessed that this point we're lifting bodies anywhere imagining they also allegedly found a small graveyard out the back. they also found drawers full of corpse photographs, toe tags, and personal items of the dead Oh. Can you imagine like what's in this drawer toe tags? It's like moving into a totally stocked morgue. Yeah. And like not cleaned apparently and there's like. You and little timmy sleep like. He's like this house is evil. It's like well no not this House Chemo your. Al Dad and like no no this place isn't able. Don't worry. Let me go check the basement for you and then you're like Ho Shit I get really the Thing we tell your parents there's a monster and they're like, no. I'll check watch mom on the closet and look, and it's like Mama Open the right. There's a lot of embalming fluid. Drawer you weren't kidding. So Carmen and AL actually did one of their interviews that is on Youtube is They were on the show Sally Jesse. Raphael do you remember that show? He's like I mean I don't think he was around during our time. It was like eighties. I don't know early nineties. So it was our time but we were obviously not Biz we were watching it. Yeah. Maybe our moms were but he was like a, it was a talk show. Oh No I don't know my mom probably wasn't watching it either she only watched like Which McCullough Walker Texas Ranger and that's it. I I have a hunch. My mom was watching Sally Jesse Raphael I. I can see Linda watching I don't even know what it is and I already know the answer. and so. On the show Carmen said quote I didn't know it was a funeral home when I saw this is also where the story gets weird because they say, Oh, went in there and then he saw this embalming stuff she says that they found out later than that there's also some I'll read the quote in a second. I don't know if it's in this quote or if it comes later but one of their. One of the other stories that came out was that Alden go down there during moving day and saw the stuff but the basement was actually blocked up when they moved in, took a while for them to get all that stuff out of the basement and then found that stuff you're. Full of crap. You probably wouldn't like explore it until you have the time. So I don't really know but this is what Carmen had to say on the show. Okay. I didn't know it was funeral home when I came in the first time, the downstairs was full of workmen and lumber when you went down the hallway to your left there. To your left was where there used to be the chapel, which is now our dining room. Oh my this is getting worse and worse this sounds like your house. I'm like Oh what have I done here now you're a third person party to what I have to hear. You talk about in your House I get it now, and then she says, I got the TV from an estate sale and there was not getting. Really, you really got me their. Crab own an. TV farm an estate sale. Okay. Everybody's gotta couch interstates Albion no electron ix though you know well. Yes. So the to the left was a chapel dining room used to be if you kept going into the kitchen through our French doors. Okay. What Affleck's? You would get. The basements which was the morgue got it the huysman up to our bedroom. And to the right of the staircase was a blood tank. Cool I'm not gonNA I. Know We're all waiting for somebody to ask what that is. I'm not I don't either. I mean sounds like a blunt you guys can google is for yourselves I'm not interested, and then as you walked through there there was a sink where they flushed the blood and things of that nature k. were going on with. The blood got it on the sink was makeup and wax used to prepare the body. So that was still they've really like just abandoned just left. There were also three coffin pillows. If you went are to find the north coffin room, which is where my son Stephen slapped. If you made a right, you'd get to the south. Coffin. Room where Michael Slept? I like so astounded at how extremely ridiculous. That's like starting off pretty strong I mean the second they signed that paperwork the people selling like thank God. It's off our hands. Exactly. They're like, wow, I can't. I can't believe ducker. Really. Just bought this place. So soon, they start having experiences like pretty dams I. Mean it was asking too. Not, surprised by this and Adjoussou everyone knows to like a lot of people would say like, why are you? Why would you stay well first of all, they already just this place because they barely could afford anything else because of all the medical bills for their son and they were convinced and became more and more commence over time that the spirits were attached to them. So no matter where they win, it was gonNA follow them. So they're like we might as well just stay put right So the kids I started hearing footsteps which kept them up, and then they started hearing the sound of quote hundreds, birds taking flight. What a weird specifics in on I don't even know how that would sound like flapping they. I just think of like a lot of bats. That's really freaky. And he started seeing strange people in the house well that we're not their family just walk a esscalation if I ever heard footsteps and then all of a sudden I heard a hundred bats and then I saw a stranger a man was in the bathroom. Yeah. Wolf. Bummy CEO and then electrical sockets and light bulbs were described as having an unnatural glow or flickering on their own or completely turning off on their own. So there is one reference that I saw which I don't know if this is true or not, but apparently Excuse me AL was saying. That the kids were this is kind of fucked up but it does explain it realistically not Super Naturally I, guess all the kids were saying that they were so scared of night that they were keeping the lights on and our afraid of the electric bill chew and so he took all the life. Adnew it's like fucked up billing. Now the kids are still scared, but it would explain why the lights would magically disappear or like turn off and they won't be able to turn them on in the middle of the night when they were right flipping dad was like, no no. Right. Roof Stephen Apparently, also, he's the one that is very ill. Yeah, and this. It just reminds me. So apparently, he was the most afflicted by these spirits right and I've said this before in the show but one of my own friends had a lot of medical issues at one point in her life and she actually died on the table in the hospital like twelve time right and so and she's the one who has some Psychic Tendencies Medium Sha medium shop and I in she attributed and I also at makes sense to me she attributes that she's Able to have talents like that just because she has been so close to the other side easier to connect with I've heard that like near death experiences or like right temporary dying. Yeah. Temporary dying I. Mean it is. Temporary death it's like a quick death. Quick, coming back. But, I. think that could be attributed to this. The veil each time exactly spooky. So because he is the one that's kind of more ill than he's probably closer to being able to see them or maybe they I mean, this is really fucked up a lake A lot of people have suggested that when you're sick because there's less quote life vitality. Yeah. You're you're easier to You're vulnerable. Your soul is easier to manipulate or something like that which I don't know how I feel about that. But yeah, heard of before and just theory it's a theory even like they say with teenagers that you're more susceptible to player guys because you have so much more like. Frenetic energy or hormones happening. So I wonder if there's any connection with Lake. Your. When your energy is out of whack. Take a hold of it whether it's you've got too much energy or not an. All right. so He started immediately saying I mean day one, he said this place is evil. So like I should have been the first sign. The family thought that he was hallucinating from his medications although like they went to doctors like he says he's seeing people he says he's hearing things but the doctors were like his assigned factor we know how old he is i. think he was a teenager okay. Okay. he was he's older he's not like three and being like I. See no no, he's the oldest of the kid he's like this isn't normal I know that this is not normal. He's seeing some yeah, and the doctors are like no like that's not a side effect of his medicine wow And Carmen like I? Obviously didn't believe them because the kid the smaller kids we're also seeing things and she figured out of that Or she assumed at least that will they know it's a funeral home and we like gave them a lot of PTSD with them walking into a morgue and saying, this is where we live now. So maybe they're just coming story involving food aside and put your. Your coughing. Pace there. So you're coffin pillow on the bed and lay down exactly. Like they're probably just trying to like process that we live in a funeral home i. get it. Yeah and so throughout the first months of living at the House apparently Stephen also started showing radical personality shifts like super angry. Irritable Super Violence there is also I saw one source that said that he allegedly broke into the neighbor's house and like got a gun and said, he was trying to use it on Al Only God? Ask I don't know if that's true but that was something that was. Out there for the world And I think I don't know if I was certainly true. But he just most said that he was incredibly angry and super irritable not himself and the parents thought that maybe just adolescence or reaction to his radiation treatment and like they were like we're not gonNA bother him like he probably feels like garbage. I'd be mad too and then they rose at the sun was turning his anger towards like just writing poetry just as an outlet. It was all about necrophilia. Yeah. Amazon what's up with? What's what's Aw and reverse why. It's actually the sound of a hundred thousand. Bad. Just like flying out of my soul and leaving me here leaving my husband behind Bingo. So So this is where I'm confused like a apparently at this point, his cousin was already living there I'm not that must have been the case because What happens next is he attacks his cousin and Oh, trigger warning but it's implied that he tried to sexually assault her no at apparently that happened a few times. and. That's the end of that. So if you if that's a trigger for done talking about it, it's over. Okay. But until we get to my story, which as we know at this, every every every pointed bill, every episode, but apparently he tracking his cousins and again there's that rumor that he grabbed a gun to hurt his dad so. Basically the parents immediately like her that happened to the cousin who I don't know if he did it or he just said, he was considering it or something, but they took him out of that fucking house and they were like they put him in a mental institution for to get to just check like was vitals and make sure that he's what is going on temperature temperature. Maybe like reading a book, let's hurry. It's a little high So they found out that on top of his like his. Already horrible illness that he was also unmedicated are he wasn't even diagnosed yet I gets. So he ended up, diagnosed him with Dad Magin that double I mean that's horrifying. I can't imagine going through all of that in your mind like now all the same time it's gotta be really something else. So they got him on the right medication for that he was doing better after being there for forty five days they brought him home. we address them and I was like I. think There's 'cause we always some not. We always we sometimes walk that fine. We like the stories walk that line of like when we talk about like old timing haunting right is this many mental illness that was not detected or not taken seriously. Yeah. The second I always see the the notes like own started seeing things I'm like, okay. But we're other people confirming this right or should we know to like like sexually assaulting someone right and then you know that kind of felt like wanting to like violently hurt your parents, right right right. So okay. Well, glad the at least that was clarified a little bit. So according to that Guy's book, the Ray Garton who They're saying like his book was like just a bunch of like sensationalized nonsense Ray says that Steven actually admitted to is family that he he did all those horrible things that he likes said, he had attacked people in this family. Wait. Oh sorry he had in the in the book it says it says that Steven admitted to actually doing these violent thing. But. Then again, like we don't know if he was just trying to sensationalize the whole thanger, the author if the authors lying But so the basically. Aside from that whole like ball of wax while he was gone and the spirits weren't attached to him, they start focusing on the rest of the family I see. So this is still ghosts happening here. Yeah. So on top of like cancer and schizophrenia and salts, there's also spirit and toe tags and tags. So he while he was gone for those forty five days, the spirits took liking other family members. and basically he when he came home at like the spirits came right back to them. but it took a year for communist are believing the kids and it was when the nieces Kellyanne Tricia I think are names when they moved in with them. I guess they moved with them because their parents were getting divorced and the senators were likely even come stay with us. I guess the ghosts weren't that bad yet early I know maybe Carmen. Still didn't believe him any room. So she was like, Oh, the kids think it's the place is haunted. You can come stay with us. so Okay. What I'm trying to, I'm trying to tread the slightly because Gary me a it's not Para normally scary. But if you are someone who you know if a trigger for you is sexual assaults, it gets kind of weird here. This story the we find out that the ghosts become sake best house. No, which if you don't know what those are, they are sealer it's the yet. It's the creepy little thing that also their their Mo is to sexually assault. Okay. So it I won't get. Really in depth the, but we are going to toe that line. So if that is something that you cannot listen to that, I would skip ahead maybe a minute yet starting now So one Kelly got into bed and she felt an unseen hand groping her, and that was apparently not the first time and hands started moving under the covers that weren't there. They tugged at her underwear and she felt hands on her on her body where they shouldn't have been. She heard scratching on the walls she heard voices and she saw a black mask over her. Kelly also felt her bra shops being pulled down. She'd feel icy hands on her and she's this apparently she tried to She was holding onto a rosary and she could feel something trying to peel her hand known so she couldn't hold the rosary. Oh. No, no, no, no and. She said that she felt like the bed was vibrating her breathing and the rose round the nightstand eventually the cross fell off on its own like popped off the rosary. So she ran to Carmen and Carmen, sat with her and read the read the Bible. But that was when she realized thousand Carmen realized that there were spirits here because she saw for herself movement under Kelly's shirt as if a hand should have been there like saw a hand wrist arm kind of like go up a shirts in outside your. So that was when Carmen realized what was going on and so they ran downstairs they ran to the dining slash chapel and prayed and the incubus started getting more aggressive now towards Carmen and Al.. This is kind of and by kind of I mean very fucked up but on Sally Jesse Raphael Carmen and Al reenacted it what with like studio whiting and music and which also makes people wonder like, okay. This must be a hoax because nobody who's ever been -vivor of assaults like happily talks about its. Openly. On television show like in a studio set setting. Like. Maybe some people are comfortable and have like coped with enough or they can talk about it but they were talking about like it wasn't even hard for them to go. But wonder if it's different I mean not. I wonder. If it being a paranormal thing. Either was more detached feeling may maybe I mean not that I'm saying Oh, that was probably a fine experience for everyone but like sure I wonder if it's Ju-, I imagined that if you are. An experience where you know a stranger or Could be moistened. Traumatic rights is not being able to see something and it seems less. I don't know but then you could also argue it'd be super scary that you can't see what's apple. Yes and I think. I. Imagined that talk show in the. Eighties or whatever or at any point is probably going to have an easier time making light of it. Sure. If it's to be fair was never there was no like audience laughter or anything like they weren't trying to make it funny but they were still. And also I'm speaking as one person I have no right and making a sweeping generalization on this, but it came across as like they were. Very. Very casual about it. When I I would have not been so. All right so I don't know. It just that was just a lot of people have said like they were really casual about it like I wonder if it's like also explaining it because I feel like you don't have to demonstrate what right and they. All they did was sit in the bed they didn't like like. They didn't reenact anything graphic they for some reason Sally Jesse Rafael one of them in a bed while they told the story. Mallya. Really amped up producers or being ill. Let's get the most out of this. Also imagine the eighties like that. Yeah. Like you said, that was probably taken a lot more at heartedly. Yeah Anyway I'm sorry for. Like talking about that but also, you should be warned that's interesting. It's just something that you wouldn't want to see on a talk show maybe don't go watch the interview do right So. Without getting into ally detail they both Al and Carmen said that they were both. Completely assaulted by this thing many. Okay. That's just beyond and I. Hope that's not a hoax. Hope it's a hoax I hope it's a host but I also hope that it's been that would be like so far enough I fucked up if you are like, let's make up this story you know yes. So I'm hoping it's not real but also like what? You know what? It's like I don't want this to have happened before also please God. They're not making this up rightly. So Apparently, they would know something was about to happen because they would hear music from the nineteen thirties and they would hear multiple men laughing. Oh, my God, which is awful. This is. This is really freaky. Now that I've said that I promise I'm not talking about the stuff anymore for the rest of the story, but it is it is a big part. I. Think should be brought up First of all I would feel like an asshole if I didn't sure if I like tried to like Skim over throw that under the rug. But also if you plan on looking further into the store, you should be prepared that this is the stuff that you're gonNA see. Yes Okay. So so that all the violence stuff is happening confirmed by not just the nieces but al and Carmen now that yeah and They also did it all of their beds regularly like they were breathing vibrating, which is really weird. They also said that they would see little like footprints on the bed that looks like a cat like a ghost cat walking around but then they would feel like but then you can even see the of like tiny little footsteps walking on the bed but then all of a sudden you would. See the India and you would feel like the weight of a grown man sit on the bed. So it is kind of like were those little cat footprints or was it a guy standing by the bed doing this with his finger and then sitting that's so much worse. It's all bad. It's all bad. So indents on the bed potentially a cat, a pretty God. It's a fucking guy me to Let's see apparently. they were times where they would literally like be running out of their house and they would feel something like trying to chase them Michael One saw the ghosts in this kind of confirms the cat theory that when he saw the ghosts a few times. But when he first saw them, they look different than how they slowly transitioned to look for him in the beginning they looked like they had catlike is. And they would be on his ceiling staring at him while he slept. I don't love that and then and then it turned more into like a general black mass but his sister, he would hear his sister laughing or he would see the lights turning on and off by themselves. High okay, So carbon also said the spirits would end going into like his sister would be laughing. Obviously his sister was actually laughing it with something impersonating his sis- shore and Carmen said that the spirits love to impersonate the children So they he would. She would regularly hear them calling for her from another room, and then over time once she got familiar with that, it would stop doing that and it started becoming a much more guttural raspy voice cussing her out from different rooms. Spirits would again follow them and not just follow them like. You know they would feel unsafe in random other buildings. But like if you were in a building away from your home, they would also like mess with the electronics. They're scary. So it's like attached to them. Yeah. Like the it said Machines are now function one-time AL's car. They were like they he drove somewhere and he got out of his car, the car started itself and drove into a building what I don't know if maybe he forgot. So I park the car she say no relation any driver. But the only upside to all of this. You'd at least have something to blame if right messed up or any point in your life how do you call insurance company? They'll be like than the ghost. Yeah. You definitely don't you lose that one you lose it. So Carmen. MOP The floors and the water would turn into blood. Cute and when other people would come into the room it would change before they could see it. So she was alone I mean and that's that whole thing of making you feel crazy crazy. Yeah. Like insecure in your own beliefs or whatever, and the house start smelling like rotting flesh every now, and then good stuff good stuff items would go missing crucifixes apparently turned upside down no I don't like that this sounds pleasant dishes would put themselves way. That's absolutely the best part of this whole story absolutely one hundred percent something I need. But apparently, it was like at inconvenient times like the kids would set the table for dinner. And then as they're sitting down or they turn around, they'd be like where the fuck the dishes may be back and. Also like just me going way pass our finish line and like making shit up but I wonder if also part of it is is pitting each other pitting them against each other right separating like saying, oh, you're seeing this thing. But as soon as you call in your husband, he's not going to see it and the kids are going to set the table. Now we're GonNa make you think they didn't, and like Steve like Stevens like no I already put the dishes out and then he gets in trouble and the MOM's like, no, I did mop the floor but there's everywhere and the dad's like no I didn't drive the car into the bills and everyone's like W.. That one is for sure on you and the younger brother. Apparently I don't know why he put himself in the situation, but apparently, he wants like got on one of the Gurneys and then it starts spinning uncontrollably and he couldn't get off of it. Oh No. and also that was a scene from the movie. So I don't know if it's more exaggerated in the movies it is in real life maybe he liked just couldn't get off the Gurney but I was gonNA say the Second Starts Rolling I'm like helps. A little inch I could definitely get off of it. I would tell everyone for the rest of my life. On control, it'd be like. The one time, the shower curtain wrapped itself around Carmen. So she couldn't breathe, and then in her niece had the pull her out of the shower. No Apparently Carmen also saw demons and this was how she described. One of them was very thin with high cheekbones with long black hair and black eyes. The other had white hair and is and wearing a pin striped Tuxedo oh God and his feet were constantly in motion. So Semaj, like someone standing tap dance. Oh I just picture like walking but not going anywhere but do that's what I picture but either way it's bad. It's all bad as we like to say Let me see where were we? Oh yes. The TAP dancing thing. So eventually they got fed up, can you believe it and they contacted the Warren's who were like fresh off their Amityville high and so riding and high? They They brought to the Warren's actually brought their nephew John to come with them and some other investigators and they were there for I. Think nine weeks, and while investigating the team saw people getting like slapped him beaten and slammed to the floor and like Jesse God I mean these things were not hiding themselves. They also heard the body lift chains moving on their own heads no good Lord this a quote from Lorraine in a separate interview from Sally Jesse Raphael. Lorraine said in the basement, it was absolutely terrible when I walked down in the basement area I wasn't afraid of the darkness. It was the dark oppressive feeling as I walked around the home that was absolutely horrifying just horrifying and the more I walked from the first room and the more I walked from the first room that was a bedroom. we which we were to find later was referred to as the north coffin room something horrible had occurred in this place and I could see all the charred bodies. Because remember she was the medium between them. So that sucks. So Lorraine, like in there, I think the way it went as whenever the warns will go into a house. They did a walk through and she would just kind of go into her own zone and she would use her medium ship right and try to sense spirits who were there and all she saw charred bodies, my God and. In that interview said like out of all the cases you've done if you'd rate this like one to ten, what would you call this and she said this was a seven. Wow and she said ten is like full-blown. Assists possession. Okay. Up there seven is like not a house I wanna live in prefer not and so one night during the investigation Carmen was actually lying down in bed and she remembers she wasn't doing anything like the worn ask her. She just on her own ended up in this eight. Trance Oh no, and this is a quote from Carmen. On that I was transported into complete darkness I couldn't feel the temperature of my own skin I couldn't hear myself speak I couldn't see anything. But blackness the entity opened up a whole above me and started shouting obscenities at me which got worse if I prayed. So, if she prayed and do you think take her soul away maybe she was apparently transported to this world that she'd like inherently new was called. Eh three m well, Lowell okay. which was quote a desert road of hot tears and I was taken down this road of souls where I could feel the anger, the emotion, the hurt, the desperation, the sadness through my skin. Fuck. Yikes, apparently around this time John, the warns nephew were was down sitting in the dining room, and this is a quote from him. He said the room got bit cold I could sense a presence around me and I saw an apparition starting to form, and as this happened, John Smelled a quote disgusting odor. So so foul that restricted his breathing. And he heard the sounds of flapping wings and the apparition slowly walked down the stairs staring at him and apparently it was the ugliest thing he'd ever seen. This is really free. This thing got down to the last step turn towards him and said, do you know what they did to us? And John Apparently. Left the house and didn't come back for three days. Came at all but okay whoa the warrants were the were also there to either confirm I think they were the ones who who were the first people to say this to the family but the Warren's found out on their own that necrophilia had happened in the house which would explain why Stephen was writing poetry about that and they were attached to him and You know what? I mean. Yeah. It's just a weird coincidence. The worn found out the NECROPHILIA. Had occurred in the funeral home, which probably is what caused the demons because the energies weren't at rest So they brought in a priest and things were fine for a few days after the priest blessed the house. But pretty soon after Carmen Al had objects thrown at them there there were scratches on the kid's bodies and the warns decided that they needed a full asks exercise on with multiple priests last full, ass full booty cheeks. Let's all go. So they did like they brought in a bunch of priests had huge exercise. And the apparently this was on September sixth nineteen eighty. Eight. and this was keeping they moved in ninety six. Wow. This is two years of this nightmare So it was a three hour X.'s on apparently during it the dishes rattled picture frame shook there was banging in the walls and two of the priests left because they couldn't handle. after the extra says The last thing that they saw was a red footprint on the living room floor. Oh, they don't know what that means is apparently it's it was there after winning thing maybe like he was walking out I don't know. But Their their nephew John. The warns nephew he said quote, the House definitely felt lighter and the smell of roses came upon us. We all felt a sense of calm and Relief and the senators ended up living there for a couple more years without any problem. Loud. They moved to Tennessee even unfortunately, he did go into remission for a while but it came back in two thousand twelve he passed he's buried and Elizabeth, Tin Tennessee and. The family has been on national talk shows in two thousand two. There was documentary about them in two, thousand, nine hunting, and Connecticut came out There is controversy like I've been mentioning that the family maybe a lot of the family. Maybe didn't experience the activity but made it up because they needed the money for medical bills for their on Oh that's a weird way to go about it though so they think like maybe if they start up enough attention I, mean they were in Connecticut which isn't far from. UPSTATE NEW YORK. Amityville had just happened. So maybe they're like if you drop enough attention, we can get the warrants here publicized this a lot of people think that they wanted to do this for the press tour and all that right get the money but it is also hard because I feel like if you talk about it and people immediately are like it's a hoax but if you don't talk about it right then like nothing happened there are people are like, why aren't you talking about? Why aren't you telling people? So it's a weird, but that's that's the big crux of it or that's like the big assumption is that it was for medical bills share which like I understand why they do anything for your kid that's sick and but at the same time like when you think about like the assault accusation. Yeah that. You could have just said you had ghosts. And I think well, I wonder maybe maybe happened maybe some of it happened and maybe they were like, let's amp the sub Saharan. Make. Oh you know you're on you're on track air so you're never happened before. What is it again you're on your way time. Understanding what you're talking about So Dan Daryl Kern is the former owner of the. And he confirmed died the building was Halloween funeral home okay. But like I said earlier Carmen has said like will we didn't know it was a funeral home until later So neighbor say that the family absolutely knew it was. A funeral home even though they're saying Oh and no, and so we moved in and move things around Nano. Everyone that knows them for the most part is like there was literally sign that said funeral home on the house. Oh, by Carmen, says like while it was covered with plywood because they had closed up shop and then we were moving in. So we never socks underplay what we never yeah I. Guess Maybe if you're frantically trying to move in while dealing with the health issues, maybe you right kind of like skipped over that. So a lot of that's a lot of people are on either side of Mariah. Okay. If it literally funeral home like you could have known if you took the plywood off, maybe there was no plywood on at all. a lot of neighbors say that these they never heard about any activity until all of a sudden they start getting behind on their rent Oh. And so all like that they're saying like we in here anything. But then you can argue like they were probably with us privately and then it came out in the middle of them also trying to figure out ran another big argument for like this is a hoax is that the house they were in was a duplex and they had an upstairs senate? Who never had a fucking gun And so a lot of people are like, why on earth like when she at least hear something Oh you know. And early experience something. So their neighbor was Sandy and sandy also like just to like the chefs kiss of this argument is that she also worked for the real estate agency that the snickers used to find this house. Yeah and she was like as someone who worked for the company, they used to find this house. They would have been told this was a funeral home. There's like I loved there and there was nothing like at. Al Was told, but he just like, didn't say you know what I mean and then I didn't know maybe she was like so he didn't upset anybody in the family or something I don't know that's a great argument I don't like maybe one of them knew, but didn't want to say it. But so like I said earlier I couldn't even know all the kids names and there was like a lot of like when the cousins moved in. So there is no. Up. There's no solid details about the story at all except for the fact that Stephen had cancer. That's the only thing that we can confirm. It was just such across the board Bummer I'm like, that's true fact. Okay. Great but then again you know. There's an argument everything like. It could have been like, oh, well, they were minors to their names were changed. Maybe, it's not really controversial. It's just like they were trying to protect their identity. So Carmen and the niece also happened to apparently love the movie entity. Where one of the characters was attacked almost identically to their experience? Dear. So they so there's an argument that they could have just reported what they'd seen in a movie and who knows like if not again to just like throw them under the bus but who knows how much could be? Like subconsciously trying to. You know projects like what they've seen in a movie onto what was they were experiencing right? Right. I don't know man also there's a neighbor named Joan fucking Joan there's always a neighbor named John and Joan apparently she was on their side for a while she was like I've seen the family running out of the house in the middle of the night here and like saying, they would not go back inside. But this there's another quote from Joan saying they never seemed to be afraid they were always laughing. So it's like maybe the family was you could argue again, the parents are trying to keep their spirits up and trying to distract the kids right make something light of it but also like why are they running out of the House to begin with? Joan also did say that she herself had seen a mysterious green glowing coming from their windows and she was stung by a mysterious force when she walked into their house when time could have been a B.. And Jones. Says quote every time I have seen Carmen on TV on TV like maybe the Sally Jesse. Jesse Raphael Show, anytime, I've seen Carmen on. TV. The story became more and more involved in got bigger. So even Jones like I believe it to an extent like maybe there were ghosts but they really answered. Right which again, you can argue like if they were doing this for medical bill money, of course, they'd want to amp it up and it's a hard thing once you're like signed on TV, show to like you own it down when the producer of trying to deliver exactly So when asked again, why they didn't leave Carmen said that she was afraid they would get followed but then there's other versions of it were. She was apparently unaware that things were going on. She said that only happened to the kids but then it's like well, you also said you got assaulted. So. Oh, there's some inconsistencies but also that could just be a timeline because she didn't know for like a year and then things start happening to her. So maybe those are just taken out of context and different perspectives from different times It has been said that rather than being attacked by supernatural creatures, many family was coping with being abused and harassed by St Event Right because he allegedly admitted to being violent with his family and even if he wasn't he was. He still had attitude. And Lake was writing about NECROPHILIA. He was very ill like they were probably coping with the trauma of Lake right there. Yeah. Exactly. Diagnosed with many levels of thanks and so ray. Garton the book that he wrote was in a dark place and this is also. He's not loved by the family because apparently he remember he did like this like really outlandish version of the story right and so members of the family really don't like that book because they're like he made us look. So fucking bad. made it seemed like this was what really happened and so therefore, a lot of the stories out there about this case are muddled now and like nobody really knows what officially happens. Right? Unless you look at some of the interviews at the family did but that being said. Like he also. Confirmed, he also like helped confirm that this was sensationalized because just hang on a second let me just say so ray, he was actually commissioned by the Warren's during their investigation to document everything so that he could write it's hell all book about it. and. So a lot of people with that backing we're like, oh, this must be a nonfiction book because the warns themselves are telling you to write this book But now ray claims that the book was fiction because apparently just like how a lot of people have said well, their stories on always add up ray himself was their stories in add up and I was the one in the house with them talking to them and I couldn't get straight answers from them I see he said quote I found that the accounts of the individual smokers didn't quite mesh they couldn't keep their stories straight. The family was going through some serious problems and I became very frustrated. It's hard writing a non fiction book when all the people involved telling you different stories right and. So even Al Sister Nancy has spoken out so that she hates for some of the things that he said about the family but then ray defending himself as like I didn't want to say those things about the family but one I was confused by what people were saying and apparently not only were the family stories inconsistent but the warns told him to sensationalize the case. Which makes people wonder about the legitimacy of the Warren Yeah. Then it gets nude fucking house of cards at that point. Apparently the Warren's quote arranged for an extra schism, but they never provided any evidence of this Apparently Ed only ever referred to the priest as father a, and if you ever ask for more information about this guy, he would get real fucking hostile. WHOA. He did not WanNa talk about it and apparently the local Roman Catholic archdiocese says that there's no officially sanctioned. From this house, a good sign and etiquette. One of the neighbors of being quote paid off by the landlord to say the activity wasn't real. even though maybe that's not true in the got in sandy was like, no, I can live here. Nothing happened. Yeah It also won a very famous skeptical paranormal investigator named Joe Nickell heave and said that he had doubts and Ed allegedly threatened him Jesus and during an interview, one of the reporters realize that Ed was like being real hush hush about like giving direct answers and said like, Hey, can you answer some more questions for the sake of credibility and ED warned said I don't care about your credibility pal- pal- Kelly. So. Race says that he went to the warns upset that the snickers testimonies didn't match up and I guess because the smokers have said like ray made us look like trash rain defenses like Whoa. The warns made me do this because they're the ones that commissioned me and this is a quote from him. He said that he went to the warrants to complain that like the nets testimonies didn't match up and he wants. To do the book justice but Ed said to him quote. Oh. They're crazy all the people who come to us are crazy. You think sane people would come to US Jesse is what works from their testimonies and then make up the rest just make it up and make it scary. WHOA. That's not a good look. That's not a good luck. Especially because the warns are like I'm a big fan of them either like this. This is not a cute look pal. So the last thing going to say is the current owner. Her name is Susan and Susan says quote most people are respectful. They stay on the road they might take a picture, but we have had some problems with people kind of rudely coming up to the door and scaring our kids telling them at the house is haunted. Do that why would you do that and then she says we've lived in the house for over ten years houses. Wonderful. This is all Hollywood foolishness. Hollywood. Foolish or you could say the actresses says I'm worked if one exists other a so is job I'm sorry that was so long but holy Shit House a juicy one every step of the way there was something to talk about. So that is the Senate I've not heard of this and you can watch their interviews on youtube and all that senator is spelled without a see. In case you're wondering it's S. D. E. K. wondering Wow. Thank you. That was. A tale, a tale tell tale a tale indeed. This is the story M of Bible John. I've heard of Bible John. But I don't know what the hell the says well, is it a guy from the Bible? No okay. Me John is a guy from the Bible. Okay. By this is a Doodoo calls himself I will. John is he a priest or something that it's no no no, and he does not call himself Bible Johnny there Oh you'll see clearly no nothing. Yeah. I am. Learning I am on my way to understand you're actually not I. Think you are out to way the haven't shotgun the got for me to go. Yes. You're running the other direction. Okay actually. But. I'm still in the bathroom changing gears stuck you got stuck in the bathroom. Okay. This is the story Bible drawn and it takes place in a Scotland. Where the Bible took place, where also took place NC K. to place takes. took place So this is the late nineteen sixties in Glasgow and Biggest. Second biggest city in Scotland just depressed by Edinburgh the capital Amazon Time Club. Coz I. Yes I do not intelligent when it comes to Scotland Just when it comes to Scotland, only Scotland at one Achilles Heel, you tell me anything about Canada maybe I'll have an answer and maybe it'll be right. I'm like one, her half's okay. So let's see We have a lot of fun things from Scotland. We have CK, we have had guess we have the Loch Ness Monster we have David tennant we have the fringe festival. Edinburgh fringe we have one of my ancestors according to ancestry dot com congratulations. Thank you, So now there's this case which is no good. Okay. It's. It's the bad part of Scotland I. Guess Fingers Crossed My Ancestors Not Bible John I. Really Hope Not I've certainly not that would explain the turbulent and my personality though yeah, it would a little bit. Yeah. It wouldn't explain mine but it would explainers. February twenty second nineteen, sixty eight an auxiliary nurse and mother named Patricia doctor who five years old put her parents in care of her son Sandy who's four years old while she went out dancing with her friends from a hospital to a dance called the majestic otherwise known as the magic stick. Majestic magic close or on we got windows. Magic sticks. after dancing for a few hours, Patricia suggests they hop over to another dancehall but none of her friends want go Sushi goes by herself and she goes to a dance hall called the borrow land also is the bars and pricing this. All wrong 'cause I'm not saying in a Scottish accent say like, Shrek and Y'all you'll have it down. No. I'm not going to and I suggest neither of US do 'cause excellent. We get enough emails So the bar-land ballroom has a huge neon sign says bar-land surrounded by images of like explosions and Yellow Pink Blue Green The sign of carnage to their website is believed to be the biggest of its kind in the UK. which that's fine. Yeah. WHY NOT So on a Thursday night, they would have these things called grab granny might. As. Fine. Well, it was the the idea was that if you were over twenty five and single your granny because. You weren't married yet or you were. You're a spinster I thought it was like take your grandma of the Clim. No, no no I've been fine. It's also a little iffy in my book because I'm like, don't grab anyone please like I in my head was like bring your grandma the club night. Me and Jackie Glickman would tear it up. Jacqueline Myriam, Glickman, will tear it up So this was secret quote unquote weekly night where people didn't use their real names they would take off their wedding rings if they had them and basically if you were unhappy and over the age of twenty five and married, this was kind of where you would go to hook up with a partner. On the DL. How? a little creepy with the grabbing. Don't love that part but I don't love that like where Granny's at age twenty five but whatever So Patricia was married to Sam's father who is living in Lincolnshire Lincolnshire I don't know in northern England where he was an RAF corporal which we learned that Rif Raff we were doing a Ouija board and. He kept saying RAF and then I remembered that. The WHO said Real Air Force or some? Yes. She figured out like you mean royal airforce and it will shot to yes. If you're like, oh were dumb I even. So it's unsure late weren't divorced but so we don't know if she was going to meet somebody or fused just WanNa dance and have fun like we're not sure why she was going because she was married So who knows, but it's Thursday night an it has some reputation. You know attached to it. So maybe that's why her friends didn't go with her she went herself. we know she got there because people reported seeing her in a distinct yellow dress but unfortunately, this was the last time she was ever seen alive. So the following morning February twenty third of nineteen sixty, eight Maurice Goodman of Carmichael Place was heading toward his garage around seven or eight. Am when he saw in the doorway naked body he ran and still shaking his discovery called police and the corpse which was found half frozen because. wintertime was Patricia. So they were able to figure out that she had been strangled to death with a ligature. But there's nothing nearby so they didn't know what it was They also did not see a purse or handbag. Dr James Imrie who's a pathologist believed it might have been done either with a belt or her own tights perhaps. and the way in which her body was lying the police also believe the murder took place somewhere else and then the body had been placed thereafter she had died. Okay So it's more. This is just where things get really weird and wild is she was clearly on her period when she was found and when she had died and there were several sanitary napkins lying around. Okay. Scattered So just wolf on that I feel like that's important is or at least it comes back and. So the police lost. Vital Time on Patricia murderer because they initially went to the magic magic stick the majestic because that's where she's gone right and it wasn't clear at first. It took a couple of days for them to realize she had gone to the bar-land afterwards, and so that is probably where she met her killer. Yeah. So locals were asked questions divers went into the river to see if they can recover any belongings. There were signs everywhere asking for more information but unfortunately, no justice found for Patricia and because she had gone by herself to the Bar there wasn't much to go on there was no. C. TV. This is the sixties. There's no DNA. Well, there is DNA but we just didn't really get it yet So this is all until eighteen months later. In August of nineteen, sixty, nine, thirty, two, year, old Jemima. McDonnell left MacDonald left her three children with her sister. Margaret and went dancing at the bar-land wearing a black dress over a white shirt. So it was a Saturday and Jemima regularly went to the bar land. This was like she was a regular basically. the following morning Margaret became concerned when her sister was not at home to pick up her kids Oh yes. So later on in the day Margaret overheard some children. Gossiping About Finding a dead body or God in an abandoned tenement housing nearby. Or an abandoned tenement. Yeah So This must be a really hard decision. She decides to go check it out herself having kind of a sinking feeling. So she passes through the crowd sees this body and she sees exactly what her feet what confirms her fears, a corpse wearing a black dress over white shirt. That is her sister who Jemima. So when the police come to investigate, they noticed a few similarities between Patricia murderer eighteen months earlier. Both mothers had been at the land both had been strangled and even though Jemima was not found naked, her handbag was also gone and both were on their period. She was also on her period So once again, Jamestown of Sanitary Napkins, kind of around her body. So, police again questioned locals and interviewed people who are at the bar lands at night didn't get much information. The only thing they could gather is that she had been spotted on the dance floor with a man in a blue suit. He was described as six foot tall thin with short hair short fair red hair and was aged like twenties late twenties. Early Thirties. and then people said at the end of the night they left together. So, very generic description about nanometre golfer. Especially because in Scotland, it's much more common to have red hair. It's not like a wild ride wildly ridiculous. You know not that it's wildly ridiculous here either but it's more common for sure. Definitely I would say more common yet. so Jemima Siblings. Try to offer cash reward. For any information, but nothing just didn't Then for the first time in the history of Scottish restorations, police released a sketch to the media and apparently this was not common. The crime donkey covered the story in according to them at least it wasn't a common thing because. Law enforcement was worried it would lead to legal troubles if they did catch the person and then. Had like a sketch, and if that would hinder their proceedings because maybe like if they got the wrong guy or something like maybe that I, think it was maybe that the defense could use it as saying like well. Like, go for. That's going to identify. So I don't know if that's what it was, but it seemed like it definitely was not a thing they'd ever done before was not commonly. Times actually use the first time ever. Oh Wow. Yeah. So I have a history of Scottish murder investigation police released a sketch to the media They had a local portrait artist named George Lennox, Patterson paint a portrait based on the collected testimonies, and again he was six foot tall thin with fair red hair and was aged in his late twenties to early thirties. So just kind of a generic dude So while this investigation was going on on Wednesday October thirtieth nineteen, sixty eight, which was about two months after Jemima's murder. Twenty nine year old Helen Poetic and her sister. Jean went out for a dance the bar land Helen's husband was not super amped that she was going but Helen was like I'm just GonNa go dance like it's all good no worries and the two of them went out. So they started off at the traders tavern on Kent Street than arrived at the bar land just after ten PM. So, at the Bar Ilan Gean Helen were seen dancing with two separate men both named John and Again. It's iffy because people would go there and change their name because they. Want to get recognized. So of course, everyone would pick fucking John to exactly. So it's not clear if their names were John or if like they were, they were just like friends and they were like Oh let's go to college call ourselves John Right rare. So it's it's that makes it even more complicated. So John Jay was dancing with Jean and John H was dancing with Helen which. That's interesting that it's. Gene. H. With Helen Didn't even realize that until just now. So. John Jay was apparently a builder from an area called Kassel milk but John h never revealed where he lived or a town like where in town he lived. So approaching midnight different sources say either gene or Helen's money got stuck in a cigarette machine and when they were trying to get some embassy blues six. Okay. But either way John H begins arguing with manager he gets really worked up really upset and he calls the dancehall quote, a den of Iniquity Oh. Who Fine words I think those are strong. So after this John Jay is like peace I'm leaving y'all came gotta figure your own way home. So John Jay leaves and John H says why don't I take you gene and Helen home in a taxi Bad News. Oh. So weirdly enough. We have a photo of this too. But Helen's flat is first. On the route like her flak comes first but They dropped off gene I. Right. So it was almost like they went farther to draw the wrong way and then yeah, do not right order right It's weird So genus dropped off before the taxi continues onto Helen's flat. the taxi driver says he drops Helen off around twelve thirty and after dropping her off and driving momentarily John gets out of the taxi is what the taxi driver says. They dropped her off and then he says, we drove for a bit. For a few moments and then he got out of the car. So he didn't even really need to go anywhere. It's like he just wanted like he probably wanted to know where she lived all her out of the taxi like once they dropped her off. And then like Gerbil block and was like, let me out a Ha- thanks I thought in my head. It was like he was he just wanted to like driver to her place. We knew where she lived. So he could come back later do something but no, it's instant yet. That's why I think he dropped off gene I because he was like I haven't plans yes I'll be busy tonight one. Yes. So the following morning a body is found by a neighbor walking his dog and later that day when George goes to the police to report Helen Missing Detective Superintendent Job, took him aside as Helen was wearing that night and when George describe her outfit Joe said I'm sorry I'm sorry son your wife's been murdered. And it's just like really sad because Georgia's I don't know if I feel comfortable with you going out alone. With your friend that's awful. Yeah. It's imagine the guilt the. If he was already hesitant now it's like, yes, exactly. It just didn't end well and he had a feeling about yeah. So although Joe Beatty wasn't originally convinced that the cases were linked There were like a lot of weird similarities between the cases of Helen, Patricia Jemima's murders First of all, all three had been at the same place, the night of the murder Secondly, all were found relatively close to their homes, and then thirdly, there was this mo of they were all strangled and they believe Jemima was also strangled by her own tights. Fourth. League. Gone although Helen was fully clothed. Her handbag was also missing. So that was another part of the Mo, and Fifthly Helen was also menstruating when we vowed her right, it's not just the strangest lake. Coincidence Yeah Orlean, how would he have? No? Weird right it's not like you run around like telling people. You just met I mean I do but you know I'm not necessarily they also like it's not like you can really find a way to like weave that into your conversation. Yeah. Direct answer from someone like he couldn't have directed the exact formation out of so weird especially in the sixties I don't think it was as like yeah. Commonly spoken about as it is nowadays, women didn't even. Harder right God forbid God forbid. A period that's just that's that's more Lord normal who shivers. What was my name again? Surfer, read surfer. Wow the red surfers reporting on me quite a tidal wave. So again, Helen was also menstruating so although the murderer. Had Strewn Sanitary Napkins about the others he had tucked one under Helen's armpits. So Strange I. Don't know what that means. I mean probably means nothing probably maybe like he was like, Damn sweaty like let me just throw something. A, little moist I don't know. Should I start doing that with you and you get majors that actually might throw a pattern bureau homes a pit pad pit pad. So question do we all? He will never mind. They were strangled I was gonNA. Say maybe if it was like a really bloody death in like it was just like blood on a different part for body placed there. But no, I'm trying to think of like 'cause. So Bananas Yeah and they also had like pads with them or like Sanitary Napkins with them. So Weird. Okay. Yeah. It's really weird it's really weird. So there was a difference though between the bodies of Patricia Government Helen and that is that the murderer had left a bite mark on Helen's body. So it arguably if this is the same person getting more and more intense yes. Because also he left a semen stain on her clothes. Yeah so Bad It's just getting worse. So were they actually salted I. Don't think the first two were. Just allow I, don't even know if they checked or like if in the moment on her on the third woman's and first two. All they said was they were on their periods so I don't know that was like. Weird Scheckter Not Orga Aman again, there was no DNA sampling. So no answers good I just. Yeah. So the third victim, the actually saw a semen stained so they knew but I don't know about the first two. So Gene Helen's sister was brought into questioning three days later, and when she went to the police office, she was shown the sketch that had been drawn after diamond. McDonald's case the portrait artist's sketch to which she said that this man was him. Claims to have never seen the picture before although it was a little strange because it was like all over like plastered everywhere the sketch and it was even at the bar land like up for people to see. So it was a little strange. She'd never seen it before right and saw and went him but maybe she is oblivious like me and. anyway. So the thing she remembered from that night were that are land John H had said he had a sister he mentioned having a caravan in Irving and he mentioned that he had a cousin who recently hit a hole in one in golf. You know what? I don't have information you could find just. Find finds mice. Anything Christine can do it's drive in reverse and find anything on earth about a person if you just give her like the color of one of their is yeah. I I'm that is one thing that I want a skill. I mean I know most especially especially quote girls like are very good with Internet sleuthing. Yeah. But you really are like queen of all. Well, I, appreciate that because I work hard to develop those skills and then when I got a temp job and was literally placed in a private investigations company I was like this is my your Mecca. Yeah. Sell Christine ISOS someone three years ago who had a blue shirt on day. And I don't remember where in the world was could have been Beijing could have been my own house and Christine will be like I'm on it that was jude. Law. Law, what if that was the point of the stories that I'm always just like I found it and it's like always. Anyway without information and my Achilles heel is that everyone is jude law. So it's a little bit of that. You can find anyone and yet you only find one person ever. Yeah. So in some ways I have a little bit of a hitch there and my plans, but one day when you finally get him in your car, you can show them while you drive in reverse I can't wait. End. Then you'll be like tapped out on talent and then no one will prove Blah believe me that I actually saw him but it's okay I'll know in my heart So anyway they she tells them like his cousin hit a whole golf near the sister and they're like Oh. That's good news. I guess she remembers him being around six foot tall slim with Auburn a reddish hair wearing a read and Taylor branded suit and having an overlapping tooth. So gene has said quote he wasn't the Barlieen type many of those who used to go were kind of rough or drunk, but he was nice very nice polite and well spoken sounds like a pillar of the community. It's circular of community. Indeed it does in the taxi home with her and Helen Jean remembers his full name either being John Templeton John Simple Senator John Emerson. She says she can't remember but it sounded like something similar to that. So he apparently in taxi continued to speak about quote adulterous women. And to lighten the mood. One of the sisters asked what he got up to for Hogmanay, which is New Year's celebration over there. To which he replied I don't drink. I pray. Which Wolf? Congratu fucking lazy is okay. This Dennis it's all making a little more sense now. And so that is the kind of anecdote that the media latched onto and nicknamed Him Bible John. because. I didn't know what to tell. The beginning without. The Whole Story Okay. Well, I was wrong yet. Well, I thought. That we usually are. So it's OK. John. I this whole time been here named John Donovan Click was by yeah. That's him. There is well, that's okay. That's okay. I like when I can make it click you know what I mean. You know was fun is like it was a really easy switch to flick on I just didn't even but I like doing it where we're I gets like Be The one who watched it happen shocking how shocked I am? By John they then began to talk about foster children John said they were all right. Great so. So they're all right comes he comes up which is I guess. John's Biblical opinion and he cited Moses as an example. Moses our forth fucking Moses. Holy, crap on really weird. Is there a in this? There's not I don't think. So there's Jemima though that's pretty good. Georgia. My there is George that was Helen's name remember Yep. We really need to find that molly. Yeah. We gotta find her so yeah. He mentioned Moses being found in the reads as an infant. So he was a foster child. So it's okay to be a foster kid whatever Moses us. We can also deal with whenever Moses thought is okay with me jeans testimony became the base of the investigation because she had actually interacted with this man and like was in a car with him before he murdered his her sister. So she had a very close interaction with him someone who chose to remain anonymous thought they saw Bible John. Around, two. Am on the night of the murder getting on the bus. He had mud stains on his jacket and a red bite mark on his cheek which might marks shows that maybe they were fighting so contradictory to. Jeans description the manager of the bar described Bible John as dark haired and around five foot eight. So not red-headed not read and not six foot tall. So it's a little odd because you'd think well, she spent more time with him but also this guy yelled at this manager and was like this is a den of iniquity. So they had an altercation you'd think he'd. Remember. One of them would remember. That they saw the same guy but he got them confused maybe he thought John H and John. Do you know what I mean like maybe? No No. You know the non by finally get don't worry. Advocaat, on someone gets a either way a newport was drawn But at the Glasgow School of art based on jeans testimony released in the media I'll show you picture a quick. Look at him I mean, that's like a real like portrait. That is some that's that's over the mantle the next Captain Geo, not on my mantle. I don't want this fella on my mantle. If he were killer, he looks like like a sharp man it's like, yeah exactly and I think that's why distinguished kind of could get away with. Getting these women away with murder literally? Yes correct. Yeah. I gotcha. So on top of this police, went to go clubs to see if they could. GET information about anyone's cousin who got a hole in one recently, you fucking meant that they walked up. To thing golf clubs. Like Golf. Clubs. Like. The club I'm I'm they went to some golf courses no you said Golf Clubs Oh I did oh, that's my bad. I meant to go I thought maybe in Scotland they call them like club how country club. But when you said it, I thought the literally all tried to interview bag of loved. I immediately, don't did it again. No. I'm sorry. That's my that They walk up to golf course and walk up to it. I mean houses. Golf Courses Golf course and I my masters said GonNa set it and I heard club who up they'll play. Obama's listening knows except we don't know what else is like. I'm skipping fifteen seconds s oh stupid. He's really dumb You're you would be correct assessment. So they went to these. Oh I did write golf clubs just. Yes a golf club like a country club I understand now golf course They asked much of golf clubs what they had seen. Okay. Jesus. That's how it came. Yeah. I get it. I get it. I did write golf club on the golf clubs said I was like doing this at like three in the morning I'm so sorry So Yikes. So they went to these golf courses to see like, hey, did anyone he had a hole in one and do they have a cousin So then they went to the dentist anyone knew about this overlapping Tooth Fella Then they went to churches to see if anyone knew Bible John because he was clearly very religious. Sure. then. They literally had a group of police officers known as the Bible John Dancing Squad. Dancing squad who went out to the bar-land pretending to be people just wanting to have a good night out but were actually undercover to see if they could find. Wow. They actually did a lot with very little information. On thinking right. Very. Impressed by all this, they even had an art tutor like create beautiful oil portrait holy. Shit. So then they said we would go for the months. For months, we went to all the clubs not the golf. Clubs. The clubs clubs. We would go to the bar land where Bible John had picked up his victims. We also also went to the majestic the Denison Palais Pele's Oh God the plaza we talked to hundreds, but we never saw. So Sh they tried didn't work unfortunately. They also had tip-offs from people who had seen the sketch on TV and that led to five thousand different suspects but none of them. All Dog. Gene then had to attend three hundred police lineups or what they call it their identity parades, which slot more much more fighting festive. Yes. which sounds fucking nightmare she had to go to three hundred of them. And every time thinking maybe I'll see that man who murdered my sister must be so fucking exhausted ease they took fifty thousand statements on the case and whenever a man who looked like he could have been viable John was cleared according to another article in the Scotsman the police gave them a card that said I am not Bible John. Special. Card. Just to Kane has that in a selling on me. I would have purchased that actually anyone has that I'd put that up on my mantle also true. If we have if is crime also Bible John, I deserve a card that says, it says, oh So everybody got a special business card. Basically I guess you could go to the club and be like, no no no you can come home with me I. Promise I swear this is police this official does officially licensed. Yes. There's wax seal on the back it's official. however, there wasn't much evidence like or there's not much information explaining what they did to protect the women it was more like here. Young men, we don't want people thinking you're a murderer. So here's a cartoon. Go pick up the pickup, the chicks but. At the same time like I don't know what the hell they were doing to actually. Protect women at this point, but whatever internationally acclaimed Dutch clairvoyance. About this guy's Gerard. Crochet. I don't know how to print. Sure what he loved to know quasi I've known him He helped out as a gesture of goodwill according to the daily record when they interviewed detective he remembered Gerard. Crowe. Say having stayed in the. Suite for about two days than asking for a pair of Helen's underwear. Because he said, it would help him on better. I bet it would a met mystery. So creepy, he then stood on the underwear and declared. The was on Saipan. Happened he stood on the under. declared. Bankruptcy. I declare bankruptcy. Okay. He stood on pair of Helen's on where I'm not even making this shit up and declared there would be another murder committed by Bible John near Sterling asks the ultimate Prophet right there. Yeah. Will my next bullet is? Quasi I don't know how to pronounce Dame doing it terribly is widely known as a fraud is he yeah and according to a pedia Dutch parapsychologist said calmest psychic who is often asked to help police detective trace missing persons though authenticated successes were few and compared against the failures his success rate was ruled no better than chance. So he would just kind of like. Stand on people's underwear yell against course which like I mean I could probably do that. But okay, he said that Bible John Lived in Goven I. Don't know I think that's how you say it near Glasgow and gave a detailed description of his house which also I think it's really shitty if you're a fucking fraud and now you're like derailing the investigation and right picking random. You're like, oh, it has shingles. It's like what if it doesn't, and now you're just leading them to the wrong place. Yeah. That's like an amateur getting in the way of St. Yes. Of A real operation in nineteen ninety-six because of DNA advancements the police finally had a key suspect they thought Bible John might have been an army officer named John McGinnis who had originally. been questioned but wasn't identified during one of the identity parades if you will he however he had died by suicide in nineteen eighty. So they couldn't like re interview him and fortunately his family were was hounded by the press claiming that he was Bible John even though there was no proof of this and so John McCain Os's sister provided a DNA sample. which came back as so they. John McGuinness sister provided a DNA sample which came back as an eighty percent match with the sample found on Helen's body. Then they zoom the body of John McCain DNA tested him but it was not a match. Okay. So long story short, it wasn't the sky right So now this is where twenty seven years later It's twenty, ten gene passes away. And because the DNA sample found on Helen is no longer usable. The case has been cold ever since. So even with all that. So with originally five thousand suspects there are theories as to who could be. There's a book called dancing with the devil written by a former police absurd named Paul Harrison. Who claims that he has evidence that whoever Bible John was. He was definitely police officer at the time Golden State killer wouldn't be the first time. in the book Harrison claims that Joe Beady, the detective had questioned the officer who was Bible John but was then told to drop the investigation and conspiracy shit there Harrison states that gene told him. She was sure that Bible John was a police officer and also believes that Helen wasn't the last of Bible John's victims. So. If that's true. That's creepy. some people believe the murders with crimes of famous serial killer named Peter Tobin who's a Scottish serial killer who's currently serving a life sentence for three murders he committed since ninety one in May of two, thousand seven he was found guilty of the rape and murder of a woman named Angelique o'clock. And after this when police were searching his previous property, they found traces of the remains of two other young girls Vicky Hamilton Dina macnichol. And he is linked to multiple cold cases He does have a link to the they found a link to him in the Bible John Murders and launch an operation called Operation Anagram but. They didn't find like any real proof but the the. The theory is supported by the following information. He did live in Glasgow until Nineteen sixty-nine Um and according to the Scotsman newspaper. He met his first wife at the bar land. Yeah when she was seventeen and then he raped and tortured her before she escaped the marriage. you see photos of him. It does look quite like the portrait of. Bible John? But it's kind of generic looking dude again. So you know. He employed multiple pseudonyms in his life including the name John Simple Simpleton riber. Yeah. She said either Emerson Simpleton or Templeton. John Simple Peter Tobin's ex-wives have gone on to say he would be very angry when they were on their periods. but still how did he know that? So that's an interesting theory that I also heard, which could be that he had been sexually assaulting women. And then when he found out that any of them were on their period, maybe he was enraged and he'll kill them. Yeah. So the goal wasn't always to kill them. That's Elliott laugh theory which I, and then he hit a triple whammy on all of them had rule like maybe he was raping other women and they just didn't come forward. And so they were on their period. He makes snap. That was one theory that I thought. It was actually very interesting because it's like that would explain why he wouldn't know that. Right. You know if so happened after the facts that yeah. Wow. Okay. So that's one theory that I thought was very interesting and very horrific He also known for keeping souvenirs and Even kept one of his victims perse. So could be that he was also obsessed with religion and he bragged in jail that he had murdered forty eight people but that's also a thing people do times to just. What Blur who will I guess in in jail so although the bar murders were in sixty, eight, sixty, nine and Angelique Click went missing and ninety one At. That point Peter Tobin would have been in his sixties and so detective Joe Beady is like I. Don't think this man would have started murdering people in his sixties and the key probably had victims before that. So they could have been his victims does that make sense? Yeah. Okay. So, Angelique is body was discovered a year previously under the floorboards of Saint. Patrick's Roman Catholic Church in a Glasgow not far from where Helen was discovered in nineteen sixty nine Now, the only thing that like throws a wrench into this theory is that he got married on August sixth August six in Brighton in England and stayed there until August twentieth with his now ex wife and that was the period that the murderer of place that we would have had. Oh Kirtland and England at the same time or it doesn't add up doesn't add up because Jemima was murdered on the sixteenth and he apparently didn't come back until the twentieth. So. a Bible John Targeted three women in their twenties and thirties whereas Tobin targeted teenagers typically young women Vicky was fifteen and although Angelique was twenty three, she looked much younger. So people think he just his victimology like his type was a lot younger. So that doesn't really match in the murders of Patricia Jemima and Helen have at this point gone unsolved known as been charged as being Bible John detective Jackson who was on the case has regrets He says, he can't shake the sense that the investigation was doomed from the start. And although detective Joe Beauty is like typically spoken about with admiration A lot of sources say he was using the case as like. Publicity trying to make a name for himself in that one officer I guess says that he knew something and didn't sit like he knew owes was another police officer that wouldn't got be real shaved off for. Yeah. So I don't know. The barley is still an operating music call They've hosted the likes of David, Bowie U Two snow patrol, and a band called the stranglers switch. Cha- very tasteful. In Ninety. Seven book called a Bible John Hunt for a killer written by two journalists from the Scottish Sunday Mail. There is a postscript with some words from Helen. Poetic Son David who was twenty eight years old when the book came out in Nineteen Ninety seven. He never really knew his mother and has said quote I wanted the murderer to go through the same pain. Mum Did killer on the loose and I was doing nothing about it. I. Find that hard to cope with. He didn't exist I can't let her memory go And that's the story of Bible John. Wow I've heard of Bible. John and obviously did not know any of that like. Yeah I, believe he never got found isn't that horrifying I thought it was kind of like such a classic story that had an ending to it I know because he has the name and you'd think like. John, he must have been identified but no right that's why I was. That's the first. Kind of generic drawing of him and then they made this one of him when Dean said he had red hair shame. He's kind of good looking. Yeah he is. He's a you know. The Ted Bundy Complex White Dude I would say. Yeah. So that's that on that. End Of. Story. 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How 'the man in the hat' walked free

"This is an ABC podcast. Hello and Hamish MacDonald filling in for Richard Fidler for the next little while on Richard ease away riding his new book. It was a quiet night in camera on the tenth of January nineteen hundred nine the dry Bush Haizhu often lingers long into the evening in the nation's capital. The chorus of sprinklers on the big loons mosques that she is a families indoors watching the astray Pakistan denied her on TV just after nine pm. Australian Federal Police assistant Commissioner Colin Winchester is parking his car in a leafy suburb of deacon moments later, he's shot twice in the head. He is the most senior police officer ever to have been murdered in a stroller and four years later, a former public servant will be charged with his murder. David Eastman goes onto spend nineteen years in prison for the crime. But in two thousand fourteen on appeal he is granted a retrial journalists. Sam Vincent has studied the retrial of David Eastman detailing the persistent questions about what really happened that summer night in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine Sam, Vincent, welcome. Thanks. I ish Colin's wife. Gwen was at home that January evening in one thousand nine hundred nine what did she here? She was watching television. And she heard column arrive he is the park next door in the adjoining driveway because it made their elderly neighbor feel safe to have the assistant Commissioner of the pay park there. And so she heard Collins vehicle arrive and then shortly afterwards, she heard what she let it described as like two rocks hitting the windows. So she assumed that it was peps little kids mocking about throwing rocks. What a few minutes past and she wanted. What was? Colin so long to get inside. She went out the back to see if he was watering the lawn, and he wasn't and she went out the front, and she noticed that the the car lot was on the door was open, and he was slouched on the seat initially. She thought he had maybe had a heart attack at an even it even pass through that he'd he'd shot himself those ammunition on the passenger side that he had there because he'd he'd been talking to his brother about an upcoming hunting trip. But then she realized that that he was unconscious and something was seriously wrong. And she she called the paramedics what head color Winchester being doing that evening before he got home. So I finish work at five o'clock. He went home had an early dinner with Gwen his wife, and then he went to Queanbeyan to his brother Ken about this upcoming hunting trip, though, going camping and hunting and fishing in west New, South Wales. And that's why had a box of. Amunition with money when he arrived home at around nine fifteen. So Gwen sees him slouched. Yes happens. She she's shakes him and says, Colin, and she laid gave evidence in the first trial at initially. She's she thought maybe he was playing a prank on him. She ran inside. She called the ambulance, and then she went back outside and she noticed a the blood and she called the ambulance again. And said, I think this isn't Commissioner has been shot. Tell me about what sort of place camera was in the late nineteen eighties. I feel like camera in nine ninety nine was was even quieter than it is now, but genuine cameras kinda like August in Paris. No one's really there at the beach. And so it was it was quiet. It was hot. She mentioned that the cricket was on. And this this part of town Dakin, it's a it's a pretty quiet affluent place. It's it's new the Bush read who Nitra serve. So there weren't many people out in about there was some people walking dogs. But at the immediate time that that the street was quiet. So we're talking about the suburb of deacon you mentioned tucked in behind parliament house wide roads begotten 's what's that part of town like who lives there? It's one of the oldest suburbs in camera, and it's always been affluent place. It's where the loj is several embassies. It tends to be Heim to wealthy retired public servants there. Respectable. When Cohen Gwen bought the house there in the nineteen sixties. They wouldn't have had to pay a lot of money for it and cameras tiny, then, but it still had this kind of gravitas as an established established sub. So in nine hundred ninety nine was Cambra applies where crimes like this Combet. They'll five murders in nine nine in camera. And is this was the first one. So now, it was exceptionally rare. And how people in camera feel about this sort of murder in town as you say, it was still very small going back through the newspaper archives. I was struck by. This perverse sense of almost pride. That camera had arrived as a city the expression that kept coming up was it has lost its innocence. Which is a strange way of looking at it. I think Cameron's do always have a cheap on their shoulder. There was shock that. This could happen such a brazen attack in painful suburb. But also a sense. I think that camera was beginning to exist in its own right rather than just as the the state of government. So how did the murder capture the imagination of the community? I think it was all at everyone is talking about that the first few weeks and does amazing footage of the Justice minister, Michael tight who openly suspected it was a mafia hit, and he he made he made reference to the shock of happening in the haven of the home. He is an expression the not just the that a police chief could be moded. But you know, he's in his civvies as he is coming home from saying his brother and his in his driveway that I think particularly resonated and shocked people what sort of bloke was calling Winchester, he was a knockabout country. Black. He grew up in captains flat, which is an old mining town about sixty kilometers southeast of camera. He was the son of a Baker he worked as a miner himself. And I think as as a banker for a little while. And then he moved to Cameron. Join the old city police when he was twenty eight so I saw his placing career quite light by all accounts. He he was pretty simple. He loved rugby league drinking with his mites. And actually looked at some of the old reports that his superiors gave and they read like mediocre primary school reports is described as a steady reliable officer. He was reasonably efficient and competent. There are no adverse comments to me. He required little supervision. So he's hard. A spectacular detective. But he was a good honest cough. And he's lowly rose through the ranks. What does it say about him? He'd gone from those beginnings in captains flash to Deakin and the sort of roll, we'll even though I lived in Dakin, and even the cameras the capital, it's still a country town, and I think it's it's not unfair to Saturday really benefited from the circumstances of the ICT gaining self government, and of the creation of the I have pay when the I was credited in seventy nine it merged few existing forces the old Commonwealth police and the ICT police and the narcotics gone from the customs department. So you had essentially country cups now working for the pay. And and he was definitely one of those was quite an all tribal organization the police, and and now he was he was in this position of national importance, and his particular role was he was in charge of. Policing the territory. So he was he was this isn't Commissioner of the pay but his his role. He was mainly desk bound he was preparing the police. The the territory for self government, and how it would police itself when it when it gained self government. And what was the dynamic within the IFP between that old God and the new and between the the national af pay like and the bit of the I've p looking after the I think it was definitely going through growing pains. The old is took place of which Winchester was one. They saw themselves as real cups with straight experience. And I saw the old Commonwealth police force who are working with as kind of nerdy pen pushing desk bound types, I called them, plastics. So there was tension between between them why plastics. I'm not sure I guess it kind of it gets this idea that they want real people that they they weren't on the beat. They weren't making arrests. They weren't common common guys and women being able to drink in the pub with with with those that were serving a bit more removed. What were the major issues then facing Winchester in this role? What was his job? I think it was pretty banal. It was it was literally the nuts and bolts of how a territory that's gaining self government yet no longer has its on police force because the is tape relates was abolished when the IP came in would would work on when crimes are committed in its borders. Nothing really spectacular was a big part of his job navigating the tensions that you described. I think he was biolo- counts. He was in one of those tribes. So I'm not sure how well he navigated that. I think he I've read that he he he used an expression, plastic sometimes. So he I I'm not sure exactly how well he didn't get it. He definitely belonged to one of the tribes. And the organization was was young and new funding. It's fate. On the night of Columbine Chester's murder. How long did it take for police to arrive? I think the ambulance came after arrived six minutes after it was cold. And during the raid lost you we heard the chafe paramedic gave evidence and he's now in his nineties and one side, she he told the court six minutes, that's pretty fast. You know? So he was there. And then. And then a few members of the I've p arrived and within twenty minutes the whole street was ablaze with sirens. How many people showed up well eighty one people ended up in the immediate crime sane. So it was a chaotic sane Colin Winchester was not just the boss and colleague of those who arrived on the same. He was the might of many, particularly these old school i-it's police and right from the get-go they took charge and understandably though very emotional about it and in retrospect, their emotions cloud at the way, they treated the crime-scene when a junior constable from the scientific division arrived and told a senior detective to please step away from the vehicle and two friends arrived this detective turn to the constable and said fuck off constable that was. The attitude. It was one. Where these new conventions of forensic analysis really went out the window very few people and not until hours after the motor happened were wearing protective equipment SICOM through the sane. So how unusual was it to have that many people milling around a forensic same? Will it was it was unusual for a murder to happen? In camera. Let alone a high profile political assassination, which was the assumption. So they were I think really out of their depth and shocked and understandably emotional this is that great might to had been shot and killed so brutally what happened next after that scene was secured. Some forensic experts from interstate were flying in and they started going over the the sane, but the locally based head of the scientific division of the Peter Nella when he finally was granted control of the crime scene. A few hours off to the murder to curd. He started coming through the grass beside the driveway and around the the open door where call Winchester lie slumped, and she found to spent cartridge cases on the grass adjacent to the door found them within minutes of each other glinting in his torchlight, and then a picture began to emerge they'll pretty quickly to to piece together Howard happened. When when Nellie turned on the ignition the radio came on loud. So from that he surmised that Winchester, probably didn't even here. The silent. He might not have seen him. He he drove in turn off turn the of the ignition got out as he had one foot press to the concrete who was shot in the back of the head that probably killed him. He slumped in his car, and then the killer took a step forward squared up con- Winchester and showed him again in the temple. Did I begin to question initially, well that style of killing? Which is colloquially cold. A double tap that kind of one to shooting is most often associated with professional assassins evening societies with really high rights of gunshot homicide like Brazil, South Africa, America. It's a it's a pretty rare way to be shot. So right from that evening and the next day. These sumptious was that the assassin really knew what they were doing. There were extraordinary numbers of homes. Do not our people questioned gives his of the sky. Well, around lowly straightened Dakin itself, just about everyone was don't act, and I think the police were pretty quick to secure that street. But then they've also been criticized took them a few hours to to start a roadblock laving Canberra. So it's kind of a bit contradictory there around the the crumps in itself though, very thorough. But but potentially stopping 'cause leaving it took them few hours, and and the theories bane that Papp's the assassin had already driven to Sydney on that happened and in spite of Oladapo knocks no one really sore anything several people heard things that that they thought were linked to it. But it's the killer really was able to vanish into thin without being saying what are the two main theories that begin to emerge? So the first theory is this organized crime theory. Looking at the style of killing when Chester was getting out of his car. He's very exposed that have it the double tap. So the investigators started looking into Winchester's role earlier in the nineties over saying I sting operation. It was a joint pain is at wells police operation, whereby members of cameras collaboration community where growing marijuana over the border any Bunga door, and they will led to believe by police informant that Colin Winchester was corrupt and that he would turn a blind eye while I grew marijuana in these two crops, which later become non his bungled a one and two and this did happen. They grew a lot of marijuana and Winchester is saved bribes of money and marijuana which were promptly declared with the money and destroyed with marijuana which indicates that the grow is believed. He was protecting them and then years lie. Later this happened in the early nineties in nine hundred eighty eight eleven men ended up being charged for growing and trafficking marijuana. And they were not as the Bunga eleven and the bungalow eleven would do to appear in court in Queanbeyan in February nineteen ninety nine but a few weeks before that Colin Winchester was was murdered. He was Judah give evidence. He'd Baynes subpoenaed by the defense, they were alleging entrapment, but still the motives really prompted the whole case to collect the murder from to the case collapse because the the main witness who had been this police informant. Hey, refused to give evidence sign his life was was on a threat given Winchester's murder. So that seemed like the logical. Thread of investigation and the put resources into this. But getting back to this division of the organization that tended to be taken care of by these plastics as old Compal investigators who want by and large from camera and the old ICT police, they looked within cameras self and they knew from the day after the murder that those another another suspect they want to learn more about and this was a foreign public servant called David as men who had met with Colin Winchester about an unrelated assault charge that as been one to get overturned in mid December ninety eight and Winchester had refused. Overturn this Doty's minute refused to shake his hand. And then the day after the murder when to detectives question, they spent about this, and where it bane the previous not as Mun really refused to tell them what. He'd bane. He was very vague. He said that he he generally drove around at night and taika way drive around to relax. He wouldn't be specific about his movements on the tenth of January. And it later emerged that he'd visited us a sex worker, but she couldn't provide an alibi because this happened after the murder had taken place on the mafia line of pursuit. How active was the mafia around the ICT and Bunga do at the time. Well in not in seventy seven the killing of Donald MacKay and anti-drugs campaigner in Christmas who interestingly was killed as he was getting into his car, again, this this idea of being pretty exposed in that position his mode up from a Royal commission which found that the Android gooder the collaboration mob was very active in growing and trafficking marijuana throughout New South Wales in the ICT in the early nineties. There are only around three thousand people of collaboration to send to who saw themselves as collaborations in the territory and its estimated roughly hundred under hundred were part of the undrawn Gooda, but it's a very secretive organisation. And that's why Winchester was so Cain to oversee this this operation. The police informant who became known as United who he approached the IFP and he was up front. He was a member of that community. But he said he he wanted to get back at them they'd wronged him and Haywood provide intelligence on them only unin return, he he asked for expenses to be paid. So when she was up ration- in Bondo was really I'm learning more about the drunk Darren its its workings in Israel. So given all of this did the Italian police get involved in the Winchester investigation. They were involved, and there are some some curious developments. A man who'd been known to be highly active in and drummer and collaborator and two strata just before the murder and left. I think the day after woods there was some consultation. But quite quickly. That investigation was superseded. By the ace Mun thread DIP or more specifically the camera based on addity police became increasingly convinced that although the mafia wrangling and wrong angle. Sounds more probable. This evidence mounting against Davide. Sman was really where they should look was the Matthew angle pursued adequately. I don't think. So the I've always maintained that I have. But no third party independent. The I've pay has said that and since I wrote my pace I was contacted by a former very senior member of the national crime or thirty the precursor to the crime commission who doubt Stettin everything was done that should have been done to investigate the wrong at how about development who was he so Davis, man. This is an illustration of who he was when this Rachel happened in two thousand eighteen. He had one hundred twenty eight charges hanging over him for making threatening phone calls against people as part of his bow conditions. He wasn't allowed to two hundred different people in camera. So he was his quite a difficult guy in the nine seventies. He lost his job. He worked at treasury. He was he was pasta for promotion, and he quit because he was upset at that. But then he immediately sought to have his resignation re classified as a retirement caused by stress and then soon after that, and he was on a pension because of that he tried to get his new job back. But he was also undermining treasury he alleged that in the nineteen seventies. A Japanese come Japanese company had bribed ustralian company with government ties ten million dollars to get a ten and this was raised in policy. By deputy, prime Minister, Doug, Anthony, and and Paul Keating. He spent his days ringing people and complaining about all manner of things he rang the local bus of us and alleged that I played the radio too loud. They put into the curb and overly aggressive manner. He rang the police and complained that his neighbor was flushing toilet too loudly. He's the ring all kinds of government agencies full forty five PM just to check that people were still at work. And if they weren't hit leave abusive messages, saying what slackers they were. He was a kind of all pervasive public nuisance cereal lead rider. How had he started life? He comes from a pretty interesting and privileged background. He was the son of a decorated. I'm Bassett he grew up in embassies throughout Asia and South America. And then he went to camera grandma the most prestigious school in Cameron. He was the docks of grandma. He went to Sydney Uni one stage winning sixteen years old. So he's a highly. Intelligent person. He was snapped up by treasury working as an economist. And by all accounts, he was he was pretty good at the work, but he didn't work well with others. And that was I think he's his real downfull. Was he genuinely gifted definitely generally intelligent during the first trial in and nine ninety five when he was charged with murder. He repeatedly sacked his council, and he'd so represented and once said showing this trial. I asked his his barrister for twenty teen what he was like, a lawyer representing himself, and and Eastman's Bassa, George Gioja said, you know, he wasn't bad as a as a layman cross examining witnesses. So he he's pretty smart capable guy. I've got a souvenir of this case in nine ninety five. He's self published a book called the founding documents of these strain constitution, pretty dry stuff. You're listening to conversations. On ABC radio. Was Debbie's men also known to be physically violet? Yeah. He'd he. He had a short fuse. So throughout the nineteen seventies. He's trying to really get his job back at the public service and to do that he needed to have his mental health approved. But also because he was on this invalidity pension. He needed to have that revokes superannuation reasons and throughout that period who he was abusive. He threatened to bash bureaucrat with a baseball bat an another stage. He poured a glass of orange juice over bureaucrat who he thought was holding up this process and one stage the ombudsman for superannuation even had his tie. Kind of choked by David as men in a mating. So he definitely had a short fuse. And this is why he had met Colin Winchester in nineteen eighty seven men was involved in a really petty feud with his neighbor the block of flats where they both lived in camera of repacking spice and I got in a scuffle. The neighbor later said he wouldn't have bothered to report this to police, but it was dive ace man, consistent with his personality of of reporting all manner of things who went to the police, and in fact, the presiding officer when he's Mun complains that he'd be insulted said on not you again that was kind of how the police saw this this public nuisance. But even though as Mun alleged assaulted he ended up being charged with assault over this Cup scuffle. And he saw that as will let's ledge that. Hey, saw that as a real roadblock fame to regain entering the public service in ninety ninety could news he was he was James medically fit to return to work onto conditions that he he worked by himself and on self paced projects, but he had this specter of an assault charge. Hang over him. And and he thought the police were really picking on him and that he had been assaulted he hadn't assaulted his neighbors, neighbor, salted him. And that's why he met with Winchester to try and have this charge overturned and Winchester said said, no this no matter for the day pay and he's been wasn't happy about that. And several people then said that he had threatened Winchester in his presence in their presence. How seriously? With those threats treated at the time. David eastman. It's it's really hard to. See how seriously any threat he makes his because Colin Winchester wasn't the only person who had threatened to kill all be violent towards. It's really almost a badge of honor among a certain group of Cameron's. I think I really look at these in Melbourne people ask you what school you went to and in Sydney Laos, you how much houses worth and in Cambra for some generation of movers and shakers. It's where whether you heard from David as men why? And how often this is the kind of guy he was and so several people who've received threats from him that they don't think he's his violent. But the difference with Colin Winchester is that he was murdered shortly afterwards. So of course, the police are going to look into a guy who had threatened to kill a now victim of of a motor. There is an image of David Eastman, wearing a hat, which has become like owning here. Take you. If you live in Cambria, why is that? So used to be placed practice that when a high profile arrest happened that invite the media and in December nine ninety two when he spend was finally arrested. And this is this is now online on the website. It was suppressed during his Rachel. But it's now it's been lifted he's being arrested, and he's wearing this massive stroll hat, the Kanji get for ten bucks at a serve or bondings. And he's he's he's handcuffed. And he's he's walking past the press Graham and before he's bound into a wedding KYW says completely innocent. This is a federal police frame up and the still shots that would take in that day of him with handcuffs, and this massive stroke hat became the same shots were run with every story to do with Davide Smith over the subsequent years during the trial and ninety five during the several appeals during his time in prison all manner of. Of things to do this trial. And then again when a judicial inquiry was called into his conviction, which resulted in his retrial this photo kept coming up again. And again, so when I look back my entry in this case when I was a mild by Nick Feick, the editor of the monthly, and he said, do you have any true crime ideas? And I I was halfway through drafting name out saying I live in cavern nothing happens here. And I remembered this guy Davidson and the and the image. I had in my mind was this big stroll hat and I wanted where that ongoing legal saga was that. And I learned that this Rachel was upcoming. So when the retrial started in June last year, the photographers Principato FAS, I think we're really came to update that this stock shots basement. And so after that first day he started appearing wearing this grey being either court throughout the winter months. And then as it hated up he had a. Summa look, which is a kind of novelty size electric blue legionnaires hat that he was around billowing behind him. So yeah, he's into cookie hats on the media. Of course, love the media loves it. How soon did he become viewed as a serious suspect in the case? The day after because he was unable to provide. An alibi. Or even an explanation for what he's been up to that satisfied, the police and after that he became subject of a surveillance campaign, which frequently constituted harassment deliberate harassment the IFP knew that this was a guy with mental health issues had been diagnosed with paranoid personality disorder and received advice from a psychologist who said you need to be visible. And they told the the chief investigator richness that he particularly needed to be in his mind at all times by this immoveable rock. So it's been was being followed by plain clothes police riding bicycles walking in cars he would swim laps. And and I pay member would swim laps next to him. He's been alleged at one stage the policemen Aven kind of crashed into a smooth. As men would go for walks in the botanic gardens and pay had officers hiding in the bushes with with plants strapped, the hens as camouflaged though convinced that they could make him crack, and that he would lead them to the murder weapon, which is still never been found, and they bugged his house, and he's been talked to himself a lot on the on that ended up being being evidence used against them. What was the ramblings that became crucial from those recording really interesting rambling was a passage about all I didn't give me was a bag full of stones and the prosecution in both the nine and ninety five trial and two thousand eighteen retrial extrapolate on that to argue that Davidson saw himself as David type figure and Colin Winchester was Goliath calling Winchester represented an institution that had had it in for him that as smooth. Been trying for so long to get back in the public service, and he had this chance, but Winchester was saying is way, and the the counter argument to that was that it was actually a literal statement about stones because we heard evidence from several police officers who were surveilling as men and Eastman would stop and throw rocks at them hit one guy gone the hip, he smashed another police 'cause windscreen so in may have been simply that, but there are lots of these passages. Unfortunately, the media one allowed to listen to them we saw the transcriptions that the prosecution's relevant witness had made to try and interpret what he was saying. There was another passage where he said he was he's said he was the first man I ever killed. And the defense argued he was instead saying he was the first man, I have kissed. So it was it was highly contentious, and it was pretty poor quality. The audio was well, particularly ninety five new technology tried to improve it. But but the defense chafe witness to do with this evidence argued that the recordings what too poor quality to be used by jury in metro under all of this surveillance. Today's men show any signs that he was feeling the pressure. Yeah. So he'd throw rocks at people. He he he was very good at getting mayor attention. He would call up journalists and tell them I'm being harassed here. You got to do a story about that. And the ninety five trial which was shambolic not just because he was sacking his counsel repeatedly. He did at twelve times eleven times and twelve counting post sends hearing. But but also because he'd swear, and he he really wanted to focus on this harassment. He was he almost seems more interested in pointing out the harassment than proving his innocence for the charge of Moda. You mentioned that he. He had told police he'd visited a six worker on the night of common Chester's death. Did she ever end up talking to police? She gave evidence into dozen is saying the prosecution were leading that as Mun leading up to the Moda when he was shopping for guns dialect hit that he disguised himself. He usually wears glasses. Some witnesses said he was wearing glasses. Some said he wasn't somebody star some said he didn't and this sex worker when she appeared gave evidence that he's been had visited her before. And the second time the night of the murder. She said that he didn't appear any different his his behavior to the first time. But she noted that she was asked whether it was wearing glasses and other time in the press gallery, we thought that was a little strange, but then we worked at why that question was being honest when the defense was pulling its closing arguments together, the barrister. George Georgia side said without sounding too flippant as men was so shortsighted he had to wear glasses during the sex act, which costs out on this idea that he could take his glasses off to the skies himself when he was shopping for guns, and how crucial was the testimony of the gun shop owner. He was a really key witness for the prosecution because he alleged that a few days before the murder Davis Mun Amana later dentist as David as men had come in trying to sell him this weapon and the the gun. Shop owner looked at the weapon presented before him. An and so that had been threaded for silencer, but in in a rough way, and so it was not prepared to buy it looked like a kind of a work of garage job. And he said to who he thinks baseman. I'm not going to buy this because you've rooted the barrel, but I found this k- witness Quat difficult to believe because he changed his story quite a lot. The first time he was interviewed by police. He didn't mention this rooted barrel at all when he gave evidence in court last year. He told the court that the seller war. A Big Hat like we know he's been did. And that he will glasses. But this was absent from his first police interviews, well, and it sames the defense didn't avert -ly accused him of this. But it seemed like. The more specific the police were telling him who David as Mun was and looked like the more his description of the gun Silla resembled Davide Smith, and it was it was a pretty exciting Dane court when when it finished this gun shop not Dennis raid, or he was a sports store on that sold guns. He he left the stand and he slowly walked towards Davide in the dock. He was staring at him. And then he kept walking he turned around again for another look, and he was staring at ace Mannesmann was unlike his baby and ninety five he was passive, and then a sheriff grabbed this witness Dennis rate and an escort him out the door, and we heard him yell back into the court. What's he's allowed to eyeball me? But I'm not allowed to eyeball him. Is that go here? And then there was an adjournment and I heard Davis Mun squander the sheriff's has the witness left the building. I don't want to run into him in the gents. Why? Then in the beginning, it takes a long for police to gather all of the evidence to be able to charge. I think they were. Oh, really convinced of his culpability. But it was it was so calm Stansell evidence that these threats there was sightings, he withdrew two hundred dollars from an ATM the day of the sale of the murder weapon for a little over two hundred dollars. But it wasn't until a match was made between gun powder. Residue found at the crime scene with gun powder residue found in the booed of David desma, they had concrete evidence. But those also Kate witness who changed his story. So those those coronial inquest into the killing of Cologne chest, which returned up in finding and the whether the car of the fatal flaw linking ace men to the Moto was was the weapon it self people alleged of seeing him. But, but you know, it wasn't that concrete. An and then one guy who it emerged was friends who the police it. He's changed his story. He said he'd lied under oath the crime in question, the actually Sodi baseman, laving relieving that side. But you know, there's there's one person we haven't heard from during this saga the second interruption of it. And that is Davis, man. He was he was not called as a witness in this retrial, and he's appearing in court later this month for compensation claim, but whatever the result of that. I think it's really he's a key part of the story that that we don't know about have you ever met him. I ran into him quite a lot during court. I was surprised at how small building was. And you'd say him wondering around. I one day I stayed light at court. I was taking nuts, and I went to the bathroom, and I was deep deep in thoughts about whether he did it or not. And I was also lading so much the trial thinking that and I was concentrating on that. And I pushed the door open quite violently. And all of a sudden there was he was he's quite a short, man. Man on yearly bold him over. And I said sorry mysteries men and held the door open for him. And then actually on Friday last week as in camera with a friend discussing the case and as men walked past us, which was a throwback to this idea rating about camera in the seventies and eighties when he was this old pervasive figure in the town. You've compared his presence in the courtroom during the retrial with the initial experience. What was the difference as you understand? It was completely different. Who is now seventy three years old and he'd nineteen years. So that's that's got to alter the way. He he holds himself an an acts, but he was silent the whole time and ninety five he was swearing and carrying on. He threw a jug of water at some lawyers at one stage. He was he was nothing like that this time around why was that first trial in nineteen ninety-five such a shambles was just because of his behavior with other factors IVA theory that it would be very difficult for David as men to receive a fair trial Sosa after he'd been an active public nuisance in a small town where even if the jurors hadn't directly received a threats or complaints from him. They would know people who had. And I think that really cost out on the fans of that trial. But ultimately, the reason the retrial was cold is is questions to do with the forensic evidence linking the gunshot residue that k witness was was light a found to be Charlotte. And I'm a cowboy who exaggerated fundings and had had had had lied about his experience, and he was very resistant to peer review. So that's why this rich are went ahead. It wasn't wasn't to do with the shambles of the first job. I think that was a K difference between the first and second trial. I mean, if you were cold as a juror in two thousand eighteen initially five hundred people cold, and they had to rise the hand if they had heard of David as men and immediately ninety percent would disqualified so the remaining sixteen of which was eventually whittled down to twelve to make the verdict for me that indicates that they? Ninety five are either living elsewhere living under a rock paps for some of them. They weren't yet. Born they weren't clouded by this image this mythology of David as manure able to to look at the the case on its on its own terms and the evidence presented, and it was ultimately a strong circumstantial case during that first trial. How difficult did he make it for himself through his five-year? What would the real implications? Yeah. Really difficult. I mean, he second his council. He didn't have professional legal representation, and that meant that is this alternative hypothesis never really got off the ground the conscientious that had been murdered in and drunk hit. That was the ultimate big difference. I think when I was working on this pace in court for five months. I would also like whether I thought he did not the case. Presented was basically circumstantial now, this forensic evidence. Linking the gunshot residue in the car to the crime scene was taken out of it because it had been found to be problematic. It was still a strong case only sightings and threats and things like that. But I ended up crystallizing around this view that whether he pulled the trigger or not it was relevant for the verdict. The defense had done a strong job at presenting a very credible alternative hypothesis. And that meant that the prosecution who are also doing a good job, but they were failing to prove beyond reasonable doubt that as Mun was the killer. And that's the way the the criminal Justice system works if you think someone is probably guilty, you still have to quit them. And so I was kind of content with with with that. I think it was the right verdict that he was led off. But, but that's a different question to whether he pulled the trigger on not an I now, I have a strong doubt. That he did. I think the the mafia explanation makes a lot more sense we need to learn more about that. Because of the the inadequacies in the police investigation. I'd also like from David as men to explain some of these seemingly implicating circumstances. But I also think for me looking back on this retrial a few months after it happened one moment has kind of in Turk- lighting, which which solidifies doubt in my mind. And that's when the verdict came down Davis men's reaction was not that I think of a man who had gotten away with murder. He was brought red in the face when the verdict of not guilty was read. He couldn't say thank you. He male. Thank you. I think nonverbal cues of pretty important, and I sensed the reaction of a man who his life. He certainly hadn't helped himself the first trial, but still his life had been destroyed by the criminal Justice system and always use lighter. What remains over had been given back to him by that same Justice system? There are some people who think this is the biggest miscarriage of Justice since Lindy Chamberlain, including Davidson when he was sentenced nine ninety five. He yelled that out. And I think the reaction at the time was was laughter and ridicule and this footage of him wearing his Big Hat being arrested saying it was his completely innocent. It was naive pay frame up. It's it's very spooky to rewatch that I don't think there's evidence that he was framed by the pay. I think it's a much more banal expulsion to do with the tribalism and the organization that they dropped the ball on the the clever investigation because of these old ICT police convinced that the it was the patch. And that the local guy had done it. So I don't think was a frame up as men's words, but but it's spooky to look back at that. How how this is played out? Did he have anyone they in court with? No, there was there was one guy a retired hostile Taylor who came because he always felt troubled by the conviction and he was a supporter, but he he'd never met devastates until the verdict. He went up and introduce. Himself, but there was no family. There was no close friends. I heard that when he was released from prison he had to go and get his driver's lessons, and he pulled off an exceptional reverse parallel park despite having driven for nineteen years and got his license and at the motor registry. He went with an old lawyer, I one of them he'd sacked but still remain on good terms with and and when his his name was read read out because his license was was ready. The cashier had David Herold as Mun, and there was a time where that name would have turned everyone to get up and turn the heads. But no, no one did it was a younger demographic. And I think that that's indicative of the fact that he's mythology in camera is is waning a little bit. And he could get a fair trial. You knew him initially through that infamous image. How did you view of him evolve? Through the process of the retrial. I feel very sorry. For him. I think. Back to the fact, he's a highly intelligent person could have made a great contribution society. And that was cut short. If he if he really didn't do this. And he's nineteen years. What what price on your freedom to to to have that restricted? There was one moment in in the rage. What he kind of acted in a way that that. I recognize writing about his behavior in the seventies eighties and nineties journalists next to me MC Inman from the camera times was sniffing. And as men was not far away in the dark, and he turned turn to look at us and gave us this stele stele stead on and the German barrow solicit account to us make could you stop sniffing blow your nose, and that we kind of laughed about that. But other than that. I thought he was he looked like a broken, man. Do you know what he does with these days now? No when I saw him on Friday, he was striding striding along look lucky put on a bit of white. He looked a little less stress his compensation climate begins on the twenty ninth of January who knows how that's going to play out. And what he's going to do. I mean, I'm surprised that he even stayed in. Cambre this long prior to the murder when he was trying to get back in the public service. And he was so isolated from everyone. Why he wouldn't try to start life afresh, and maybe he will as elsewhere. If he if he gets some compensation Sam, Vincent, thank you. Thank you. Sam Vincent's article in the summer edition of the monthly is called a nagging doubt. Amused mcdonald. Thanks for listening. You've been listening to a podcast of conversations. For more conversations interviews, please go to the website, ABC dot net dot AU such conversations. Discover more great ABC podcasts. Live radio and exclusives. On the ABC. Listen up.

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Australia's secrecy addiction

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Australia's secrecy addiction

"This is an ABC. Podcast fundamentally the gold rules. The I have the right to Indra newsroom to foster around confident to take information about the wide on steaks journalism with its sources and this should send a chill down since this is not the why free and fair democracy. Abc has just lost a legal fight with federal police which means the rights. They carried out on the broadcast last year. Were entirely legal. And that ruling has raised a question about whether the Loyd self is brought the whiteys. I'm Stephen Stockwell and I'm Angela. Wipe Ya and today on the signal. Just how far out on a leeming easiest railyard when it comes to secrecy and is there any chance of climbing back in Australian? Federal Police officers are the softening continuing to ride the IDC as Sydney headquarters. It's over a series of twenty seventeen stories known as the Afghan files the stories by ABC inventory. It was June twenty nine last year when a number of asap offices gained entry search warrant to ABC's Ultima Headquarters and spent a whole day sifting through internal documents. That's associate professor Johan. He's the deputy head of journalism at Monash University. The warrant was extraordinarily wide gave them powers to essentially access all ABC systems To find look look look for whatever they were looking for and it also gave them the right to alter men documents within the system which is pretty much unheard or before. What exactly were they looking for? Well See. That's something that a lot of asked the absolute safest bet here is that they are looking for the two. Abc reporters sources. So you may recall that the reporting was around the Afghan files which allegations that Australian special forces had potentially committed potentially committed illegal things in Afghanistan during deployment there including potential war crimes. But this was a few years ago and based on of course confidential sources that had that had been used by ABC. And it's a very safe bet to to assume that the P. were looking for the identity of these sources and the legal basis for that wasn't some new post-september anti-terror law. It was actually over the old one. That's bearing the Crimes Act. They were using a few different paths. But one of the overarching things is that in all criminal codes in all jurisdictions we have sections that make a pretty serious legal breach for a public servant to divulge any information to anyone outside agency without permission from From a superior and the thing is that these laws are so saad draconian and wide that it's any information all the way from how many pipe eclipse you have in your agency and in your office to all the way to serious national security matters and the possible punishment varies a bit but it can lead to between two and three years in jail for public servants. That do breach these if we look at the rest of the liberal democratic world it just doesn't exist anywhere we are complete out lies. Here's trion myself and many others who submitted to the parliamentary inquiries last year. Post that question you know why? Why do we allow ourselves to be so out of step here? Yeah so you have made the case in the Pasta. Distracter is the most sacred of democracy in the world. What makes you site? Can you give us the I? Guess the Elevator. Pitch for that. Yeah can't so. There are a number of things. The one of the one of the earliest sort of examples of that is how freedom of information laws function so in practice they function really poorly and also we have a number of exemptions in our F. A. Y. Laws that no no other democracies have so for instance. One of the most far-reaching one saw is the fact that no national security intelligence agencies actually covered by the Federal Act so ACO ACIS office of national assessment. None of those can actually be F- allied. You can't submit a request to them because they're not part of the act so that's one really important part for secrecy or indication of secrecy. The second one is of course. The fact that Stralia past mouthed amendments on new laws to national security and anti turtles in the world since September eleventh two thousand one we have passed more than eighty and counting in. That song completely had a step with the rest of the liberal democratic world. That it's not even funny. There's a couple of things that you you pointed out there and I want to do with them. Separately the law as you say that was used to sustain this warrant for the right on the ABC is actually an old Lloyd's in the Crimes Act Sorry Australia has always kind of pain. Like this spiced. Based on what you're saying. Do you have any theories as to why that is why we've always been so like this as a country? Well my my main explanation possible explanation of theory and there is some research also backing this up is the fact that so Israelis quite often called the wash means to. Yeah so we took a bit of the Washington. Us balance of power system and then we took a bit of the Westminster System and then we made up our own system. So that's why it's sometimes referred to as the wash means to system and Unfortunately we took some of the worst parts of systems so we already had this tendency and then there was not eleven and at this point democracies everywhere started passing national security laws that are the privacy whistleblower protections and press freedom in general but like Johann was saying. No one. Did these more than Australia so we asked him. What some of the biggest changes of Bain? I can name three things. So I'll mention the the extended Powers for national security agencies to hold people without charge. That's one then the second one big one we had I think was the METADATA retention For both journalist but again it impacts it it applies to everyone and then the third big one which was fairly recent was the fact that they were amendments to a number of different laws that made it potentially illegal just to receive national security information. Let alone publish it. So just by receiving it you could potentially be Breaking the law so I think those three really clearly set out what we're dealing with. It remains the main task governments to keep its citizens safe. There's not question there but the question that myself. Another supposing is do we need these this many loss and such extensive powers for governments to keep us safe. And how long should they be there for? ShouldN'T WE REVIEW THEM EVERY YEAR? And ask ourselves what the level of threat now one of the things. That's come up a lot when people spoken about the the IFP rides and also the changes. The laws is that there's this chilling effect on makes it harder to do that work. I mean either. Eat direct examples of happening. Well this is the problem we don't we don't know the ABC head of News. Kevin Morris Said said today when commenting on the court ruling every whistle blower who does not come forward because of this chilling affect is is a is a loss for the public interest citizens out they who quite often put it all on the line to speak up on behalf of of all of us and where they see things that are not as they should be and I think what while the laws how the white I you will see. Fewer of those people come forward. The thing is we don't know that do we? We don't actually know how many have not come forward. Because they've seen they've been chilled by this chilling effect. We've talked about how Stralia whilst it might be. Further out on a limb is adults have company in this arena. There have been a lot of laws to these effects. pasta usually in the name of national security In the past couple of decades. Do we see anywhere in the world countries winding back those measures or are they only ever bang expanded? If we just keep ramping up ramping up these laws and national security system based on the perceive internal or external threat if we never reassess them and sort of say well. It seems to be less of a involvement. Now let's roll them back a bit. We start from a high level all the time and make you know this sort of a state of exception. The new normal and to answer your question. I am not aware of anywhere in the world at least in the liberal democratic world where this reassessment as actually taking place. There's been some tinkering around the corner spot in a systematic way. Yeah I understood that The metadata laws in the UK had bain reviewed certainly not appealed but had been dialed back somewhat. So that Metadata Kit for shorter amount of time and that they will tighter controls around that Familiar with that example. Yeah Yeah I am but as I said it is. I think it's mainly window-dressing to be honest I think I think we're entering an era he aware and we can see that. You've heard of this new recognition software clearview that has just come on the market on these being tested by police forces around the world. And I think we we're entering an era where you have to choose where to live in the world based on privacy you choose to place where the privacy seriously or you choose one takes less seriously and I I am familiar with the UK sort of small amendments. But they're not really meaningful in my view. The thing that I keep thinking about though whenever this argument comes up is that there is just no incentive for governments to do that as you say and as we're seeing sort of plot in many democracies around the world that yeah it's kind of destroyed moves in one direction right well. I must say though with the IFP rides on last year. I never seen that much in national coverage on on such an issue. I think I'd I nine international interviews myself all the way from New York Times to Aljazeera doubts about and that was that was that you could sense that there was a sort of a degree of uncomfortableness in the federal government with international interest. In this I don't think in nationally it was well understood what the situation was like in Australia. And so I'm thinking if there's GonNa be any change it'll probably come from that international bad press. I suppose we did get to parliamentary inquiries out of it. Which incident have not reported yet? So I mean there's the parliamentary inquiries but if we seen any material change from that now so I'm not holding my breath either but it will depend it will depend on nothing happens to these three journalists to. Abc wants in the new one if any of them do get charged which I haven't been hope they won't but if any of them will get charged. Then it'll start all over again you know that. I'm sure the international pressure will will step up again because everyone is hume see that they won't be charged so it's been a long long process of intimidating future whistle blowers and sources. So what does happen next? In this case I mean you know you don't have a crystal bowl likely to be the next step you well. The ABC was trying to stop. Stop this in. Its track and by having the warrant ruled illegal than the documents would have had to be returned to the. Hsun but see. This is the decision has been sitting with federal attorney. General Christian Porter seems if I remember correctly September October last year. He was then given the right to decide whether to take this to charge or not. And even though I understand there's been delay of course because legal cases have been brought but honestly do you need that long to make up your mind. Either you find something. You don't find something when you when you ride these journalists places so I assume that the next step must be that porter and how will they will conclude its investigation and handed over to port. And he'll make a decision but it is an incredibly incredibly poor situation. Y takes so long so we're up to almost eight months now in him deciding and that's just not on So that is it for the signal for today but if you WANNA get in touch we have an email address. That is the signal. Abc Dot net dot. I you and we'll be back in your face tomorrow. Catch then by. You've been listening to an ABC. Podcast discover more great ABC. 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Ep. 73. Keith Warriner: Applications for the Advanced Oxidation Process

Food Safety Matters

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Ep. 73. Keith Warriner: Applications for the Advanced Oxidation Process

"Hello everyone and welcome to food safety matters the podcast for food safety professionals. I'm Stacey. Publisher Safety Magazine and I'm here with Barbara Ben Renter him editorial director and Tiffany mayberry digital editor of the magazine. Recently Barbara received an email from a highly esteemed researcher and podcasts and past podcast guest Keith her professor of Food Science at University, who suggested that it could be very useful to our audience to have a discussion about the advanced oxidation process that he developed for the produce industry. That's finding new decontamination applications in this. Age of COVID. We, of course agreed so you'll want to stay tuned for that very interesting conversation. Okay so the age of Covid. It's not much news to of you. Since you guys are managing all kinds of new issues in your plants now due to the pandemic that we are still very much there in the age of Covid. We've been looking for ways to cover this. Meaningful ways. And we've been reaching out to our context in the industry. We've gotten some feedback recently that we want to share with everybody. We really trying to figure out exactly. The food safety implications. Who's handling the stuff, so Barbara? Why don't you start us off a little bit there? Sure so a couple. I think surprising to bed sweet I. Guess I had always assumed that. The scientists these. Food plants are the ones really charged with managing this and I think part of that is true certainly. The food safety professionals are trying to figure out whether everything is operating according to the GNP's that they have for the plant they can't do. They can't have inspectors in pest control people, and so they need to make sure that those control pro- programs are working correctly even without those professionals in the plant. And so that's an added Strauss also when there are people not going to work. and we've talked about this before. If you have to rely on temporary workers or people who are less seasoned, how do you do training? How do you get people in a room People are trying to figure out how to do remote training in ways. They've never had to do before. SOC- as you mentioned, we trying to really cover this pandemic in meaningful ways for. Those and food safety when we look at what's going on in the meat industry in the media, attention that those plans have have garnered over the past month or two. One person's feedback that I thought was really telling is that. There's no clear. Reason, why Yes, part of it is working conditions. Part of it is. People are working shoulder to shoulder. We talked about that before. But. What this person mention is! What are the employees doing when they leave the plant? Even if the plan is doing everything humanly possible to protect their employees. What's the community doing and so there are so many confounding factors that. You know it's. It's a really complicated situation so I. think There's a lot of blame to go around and it's unclear right now. what the truth is GonNa. Come out to be and we're going to be you know keeping a watchful eye on that I think the all? Another bit of feedback that I thought was really interesting is when you're screening employees and many of you were screening employs before they're coming into the. Retail Environment before they're coming into the plant There's some pushback by our food safety folks because they said. Hey, you're monitoring temperatures and health related information that should be the role of of HR, not food safety. And so food safety has a lot on their plate, trying to figure out if everyone is doing what they need to do, conforming with the requirements for protection so I think there's. A lot of responsibility to to share within company environments that it shouldn't all fall on food, safety and quality but that. Other departments. You know need to to play a bigger role, but. You know and implementing the right. The right strategies within the plants to you know making sure everybody's everybody wearing masks now are they doing sort of the basics of distancing and so on, and maybe that won't be enough in some environments you know, then it is compounded you know with. Temperatures that that you know are prevalent in in food processing and I've often been looking at what's going on when you say community, and that's just not the community of your workers is certainly a factor, but the larger community that you're in, are there. What kinds of supports are going on there public health perspective and have those exacerbated. The producers ability to get a handle on it. If assuming and again a lot of this has been left up for. Again all that attention you know, has everybody really been doing the right things and I think the jury is. Out On that so. We'll see I. do need to mention. That I, have been trying to get. We have been in I. Certainly Been Fascinated by what food dive is done some great reporting on this they have. An ongoing column where they article where they update the closures, and you can sort them by type of. Products. You can sort them by. Are they open or closed or reopened and just trying to get a feeling for? How how widely spread again is Barbara so there's so much attention being given to the meat to the meat companies. What else is happening? Across processing writ large, so that's been a very very interesting tool. Tip of the hat to food dive for that. That's really great reporting. It's a lot of work because you're having to go and do a lot of really get down to local reporting to get that information, so they've done a really good job there. I thought the interesting most interesting part to me about that list were some plants that didn't really have any workers tested positive, but we're taking A. kind of a preventive approach to closing for a short time to really do a deep sanitizing of the plant, and not just in the processing areas remember this is not a food borne virus, so they're really having to sanitize break rooms, locker areas communism, no, where where where people are likely to go, so that's something also. That's been kind of thrown. Into the mix to respond to the so thank you all who have provided feedback very useful. Yes and I'm sure as we go forward they'll be. Plenty of lessons learned so. All right. I think it's time, tiffany. It's time for the news. The FDA released. Last month the FDA released findings of an investigation into the contamination of Romaine lettuce implicated in three E. coli outbreaks that occurred in late twenty, nine. Hundred seem like it was eighteen nineteen at this point. It's backed. The lettuce always comes back right. The contaminated lettuce in these outbreaks originated from the Salinas Valley growing region of California in sick in two hundred eight people. FDA, trace back investigation was conducted at several farms as well as businesses and public access areas. And some of FDA findings include the following. Of the three outbreaks that took place in late, two, thousand nineteen, they were all caused by distinctly different strains of E. coli or one five seven h seven. The trace back investigation identified one common grower with multiple ranches fields, but that grower has not been publicly named. The same outbreak strain and one of the three outbreaks was also detected in a fecal soil composite sample taken from a great on public land, less than two miles from a produce farm with multiple fields tied to the same outbreaks. Other strains of s tech that were not linked to any of these outbreaks were found in closer proximity to where Romain lettuce crops were grown, including two samples from a border area of a farm immediately next to a cattle, grazing land in the hills, above leafy, Greens, fields and two samples from on farm water drainage basins. Based on all of these findings, FDA considers adjacent or nearby land use for cattle grazing as the most likely contributing factor associated with these three outbreaks. Still, no definitive source or root of contamination of the Romaine lettuce fields has been confirmed. FDA says the indirect transmission of fecal material from adjacent and nearby land from water, runoff, wind, animals, or vehicles to the Romaine lettuce fields or to the agricultural water sources used to grow the lettuce. Could all be routes contamination? Can you say pattern? Heavily heard this somewhere more I think. Somebody mentioned cafo somewhere along the line. I don't know that we really need to say a lot more I think until we have an intervention that going to affect. Yeah, that's when the news will break on the yeah, and this is why in my garden right now. I'm growing lettuce and spinach. How close are your cat? Know Cal. No cattle. No. No cattle here. A. Well, I, think there it is. I. We're still more will be revealed interventions. What are we going to now that we know? What are we? GonNa, do right. Are we really at the root cause? So I still feel like there might be still worked some work to be done on really. Is this root-cause? Let's see what happens this folk. Do. We have three and where. No! No, no, No God! We need a break. We need a break. All, right. What else tiffany what other revelations do you have? The FDA's new era of smarter who safety blueprint, which was originally to be released in March has already undergone a makeover before its debut. FDA says that lessons learned during the pandemic made a necessary to revise the blueprint since some of the food safety concept's are now being looked at through the cove Lens. Some of the blueprint changes and additions include the following. Enhanced and digital traceability, which FDA has identified as a helpful tool and understanding supply chain impacts in the event of a public health emergency. The blueprint now also calls for new tools to be explored such as virtual or inspections, which the agency started as a result of the pandemic. Next the blueprint includes increased focus on the safety of foods, ordered online and delivered directly to consumers, a trend that was already increasing, but has skyrocketed as families sheltered in place during the pandemic. And finally the blueprint will also include more focus on food safety culture. FDA has not provided a specific date on when the new era of smarter foodsafety blueprint will be published, but we'll keep an eye on it and share it with you as soon as it's available, I think it's great that they've You know delayed the so that they can be more comprehensive and really address the need that the industry. Has. Right now specifically on supply chain I think that's completely up added going forward well, and they point to it in the in the piece as well at the impacts on food, waste and redirecting supply chain, all of the things that were compounded. Through this through the pandemic. I also kind of had to smile on the. The. Increased online and delivery things I just had the vision of people dropping stuff on my doorstep in like running away. It's like I get. Like miles away by the time you get, if you if you lived closer because I'm also growing Zucchini, would send me some. Stuff that that would be likely well. No people who grows. Usually have so much. That's all I. get kind of leave at. The doorbell runaway so. Coast to coast. It's kind of hard, but you had. You have brought us some tomato, sometimes at trade shows and stuff that. Lord knows. Of those? That's right. Except Adam never like my tomato. We can't get it. Yeah, just Adam the thing he. Know Tomatoes for Adam. Don't even talk about him. I'm growing lots of tomatoes to slow and they're good so. They're very good all right. For All of this news and more don't forget to visit our podcast page on food. Safety magazine Dot Com where you can see our show notes for today's episode to keep up with even more news and trends. You can always follow us on facebook. Twitter and Lincoln just search for Food Safety magazine. Now it's time for Barbara's interview Dr. Keith Warner Professor, Food Science at the University of wealth. He's also the Food Science Graduate Coordinator of the Departments Masters of Science and Ph D. food science programs. After completing his PhD in microbial, Physiology at University College of Wales. He worked for the Department of Medicine at the University of Manchester where he studied biosensor. He also attended the University of Nottingham as a research fellow in food microbiology, working with fresh produce. Keith joined the Department of Food Science at the University of wealth in two thousand and two, and was promoted to full professor in two thousand and eleven, he the former president of the Ontario, Food Protection Association a member of the International Association of Food Protection. IFP is an associate editor of the Canadian Journal of Microbiology and is on the editorial board for applied and Environmental Microbiology and International Journal a food microbiology. Microbiology anyone. He's research revolves around food, safety and microbiology, allowing him to work closely with industry and apply his research findings in very practical ways, which is kind of what this is about. Right, yeah, I think. My conversation with him wasn't important. Reminder that went effective technology exists, it can be applied to other areas. There is no need to reinvent wheel so his processes, a perfect example of being able to meet a really important. Need right now. Oh okay, let's listen to that discussion now. Hi Keith welcome back to the PODCAST. Have me back Bob. I'm excited to take a deeper dive into your development of the advanced oxidation process or a P.. In case we use that acronym. I'd like to learn about some new applications for the food industry with this process, so let's get started. I think a great place to start is really to remind our listeners about this decontamination method that you developed. So, why don't you start off their? Yes so this process that she can go way back to the eighteen hundred. We've swimming called the Fenton reaction so heavy. Fenton was chemists of time and he wanted to oxidise. And he produced this reagents cold. the Fenton H which was basically made up of hydrogen peroxide to a bit of ferric chloride in and what he does is generate these high trucks, will radicals now years, years past and painful kind of. Just reagents essentially just an analytical reagents. But then it got picked up by the water treatment people who were discovered that if you put hydrogen peroxide, Adewale to have been a catalyst and Chanu v light on it, you actually degrading site pollutants pesticides for all chemicals. For Water, treatment is being used for many years and still have been used. Now what we kind of did with it though is hardly supposed to hydroxy radical and. Just putting perspective, hydroxy radicals, these very potent antimicrobial oxidants. That in nature for example of the low rap miss where they kind of clean up pollutants. Young Stars in the universe abundant because we're so reactive. Because the to work. Microbes produced hydroxyl radicals when the stress of is sort of. What we call our less reactive oxygen species, which eventually kills them so eventually we harness in what we call the gas phase so rather than treating warts. We actually started tracing surfaces so essentially a very simple process, well known process and the generosity hydroxy radicals, which more potent than ozone, potion and Claudia, oxide or bleach at, but the good thing is that short-lived, so leave no residue so fairly ideal sort of sanitized if that's the right. So. How did you become interested in applying this? To produce. One of those sort of ideas that evolve from different projects was on, so we go back a long time. You know talk over twenty years now. What has she started food safety research in the sort of food. Sector is that the first project I had was actually decontaminating cartons, but for a septic processing. If things you serve milk and orange juice, and they used to process based on UV and hydrogen peroxide, few free radicals to activate spores, and soon after that project came and went. To the fresh produce sort of area, and if you can back into the nineties, which things are definitely age away in some respects, but I blink another. Back in the nine hundred ninety S, we were starting to get these sort of issues with fresh produce. A few outbreaks especially with sprouted seeds if he think back to the. One in Japan that radish sprouts which affected six thousand people. Well long story short is that there was a company or a retail chain called marks and Spencers, which think had a temporary present Sydney West to Lake County seat it, but back in England where they were ready, well still are. Leading Retailers Aka over problem to say. We're washing our spinach. We can't get it clean. You know we've always have the sort of residual bacterial counts. Could you have a look at it and back then? Y- fresh produce kind on the sort of map, but nobody was really concerned about it, so we started looking for saying well. Where were these bacteria on the surface of Spinach? As we used to all the fancy microscopy and found nothing you could look Cadet I. Remember one Friday afternoon looking under my cost, some of spinach extract from it Saab sort of vascular system by just cutting a piece of spinach, and put it on a microscope and I think he's one of the things you rica moments where you find factory, actually living that. That and it was quite interesting. Fine, because before then you know people for inside of the plant with style on a no, we laugh at that now because of all the research was done, but if in a lot of cases in history are like that way, you think well that we all notice to start with, and not really launched a lot of things Sam in terms of what we knew it was inside, and we did some work with sprouted seeds, and showed how it goes inside US wife, you wash, browse, it doesn't do anything. But more importantly what it did is tell us. The washing process couldn't inactivate these internalized bacteria and. We knew this back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight, I, think the industry took till twenty fourteen touch. You realize this, but anyway, that's no matter. So long story short we combined our sort of. Of the CON- disinfection with this issue saying well, we have to get up surface of these. Spinach Leafy Greens and Hydroxy radicals advance oxidative processes who call it seemed to be the fitting thing, and once I left the UK which was back in two thousand two and starts at the University of Quell. Attacked gave an opportunity, so we apply for grants and those grants given Effects Twelve Mafra, and we started looking at very simple process where we couldn't decontaminate lettuce and show enough. We developed the process we published on it. We presented conference tonight and I thought you know this could be a will changer for the industry, but back in two thousand six. If people are still relying on saying washing his washing his all we need, and it wasn't until twenty fifty when things ready changed. So are there other types of produce that you've used this for besides leafy Greens and you mentioned sprouts. So with sprouts, because it's very old, internalizing the vascular system, we didn't really touch them. We did do a seat decontamination method, which again you know, what really well, but the industry just pick it up and. The way history works. But certainly in terms of over produce yeah, even back in two thousand eight. We're looking at things like Broccoli cauliflower tomatoes. Oh very good, and we'll just sort of the face tour generation to Avihou. We've tried a lot of different sort of projects from leafy Greens to peaches to tomatoes, Zucchinis soft fruit, CUT FRUIT A. Name it and it separate very effective. So. Is there any challenging piece of produce out there that this will work for? Well, enough. The ones we have trouble with a when we say trouble, you know we were much more effective than just washing in all cases, but things like tomatoes are harder to decontaminate compared to things like melons say the cantaloupe and I think what. The reason is is sat with conflict because of their sort of netted structure, they hold more for peroxide, which can then be converted to these free radicals by the action of UV light, and with tomatoes, officers smoother, but we just tweaked the process to to suit the cause so in actual fact, yes, suspension smalto's of it more challenging, but set sell. We got a better reduction than we would do. Over wife? Washing. So With regard to. This type of process and other methods that have been used Over the years. What are the major changes that you've observed in in fresh produce? What kind of evolution has has the industry undergone? Say Over the last twenty years. Do you think? Yes well like I. Say when we think about twenty years ago. To save a long time, but there again it says thing so. Close I always go back to the nineteen nineties midnight, one, thousand, nine, hundred square ready, the food safety issues with fresh produce for being recognized. We did have outbreak leafy Greens back then it was more sprouts and I remember back in the early two thousand Sep. The fresh produce sexual say well Strauss. Totally different. Undisposed subways are still to same today. But in the fresh produce sect, so if we think back to the US zero zero I, forget what term the US now. We used to have. So, many outbreaks and she'd be. Repetitive I remember obviously the tomato outbreak. Cabbie let a coli five seven with Lettuce Salmonella cantaloupes, these regular events, and it kept be very busy at the time and things like that, and so we did have those major outbreaks. Nov City Industry was changing itself in terms of. Getting more diverse supply. prepacked solids coming through preprocessing wants so. I would say it was an office. The Big One was the two thousand six spinach outbreak when the industry kind of. Stopped and pause and had a big reflection, and I would suppose that from two thousand five to two eleven I think the industry with very receptive to food safety initiatives, and this is why, for example, tomatoes. We todd see any outbreaks out. Always Council actually stuff some issues with. The conduct scenery changed a lot in terms of the food safety and leafy. Greens marketing agreement people and over sort of initiatives, but then after I would say two thousand and twelve. There was this sort of. Change in the. in terms of food safety almost became, and still is to my mind somewhat of a denial I've got an issue and I. Put this down to a few things suddenly the leafy Greens, Marketing Agreement became very defensive. You know where to the point where famous? SORTA correspondent talk should mention the name saying well. You know a few deaths. From eating Romaine, lettuce is bad when you think about how much lets us produce, which isn't the best optic. Thing about the leafy Greens agreement. They became defensive to the point where they were starting to. Grow is under the bus. We have to look at the Salinas Valley When had the? Last Romain lettuce outbreaks saying don't eat anything from Salinas. Valley everyone else's good. Yeah, where does that leave? Salinas? Valley, but my sort of fairy is. The FDA have a lot to play for the changing of the sort of attitude from one that was kind of progressive in food, safety to Walnut, very defensive, and where we look the action of the FDA you know, essentially they would people look to them, and they were established back in the day. To protect public health, but we found especially overly luster to a free years is that they say well now it's not up to as self to The grow is an industry. Come up solutions. We're not gonNA. Put anything on you. We're not going to investigate things. We kind of didn't didn't go full speed into Dooney investigations, and then they committed the biggest sin. Sin Of Oh, I think in the cost of these seven Romain lettuce outbreaks in that said they actually didn't announce that an outbreak had occurred. It was only because the Washington Post going to publish it two days later. The king clean, and so I think the FDA to kind of reflect back on what the other thing. The all reflecting back to be honest. To what the doing and absolve how the sort of promote food safety, and the revising the modernization of final for fresh produce role. Ready what the industry have to kind of start doing say yeah, where in charge and we have to break into this next sort of phase. Come back to the center, saying we have got a problem and how we're going to solve this rather having soundbites. So as you were speaking and talking about Romaine. Here's a question for you, so you mentioned that this process. was used for water treatment. was very effective for water treatment, so you mentioned Salinas, but if we look at Yuma. and if you believe that. The either canal, water or adjacent cattle feedlots play a role in in what happened in Yuma. Could this help a situation like that where you have established growers in areas using water. It gets contaminated. You know from from you know. Cattle feedlots is, is that an application or are those water sources just so over the top polluted that? That wouldn't even make dent. Now it's a very good point because the reality is if you've got a feedlots downstream. Rav Stream. You'RE GONNA. Get contaminated water. We know that Seb the wall to was contaminant. Five seven way before the outbreak occurred Jim go on, he actually emailed in the FDA saying. We have to look at the water. Now obviously with the you sort of guidelines on a coal of not they do recommend disinfection, and my sort of failing as you start to fall into the same trap it again in that the very limited in scope, so they're suggesting coronation of water, which is good because you're putting chlorine into the sort of fails in the environment, then the saying proxy see. Not so bad, but it's still expensive. UV light saved another one, but. As you probably Guests Irrigation Welsh Trittin this pristine spring water, coming down from the is its turbine, yes, About Anti U. of about twenty free to thirty, so she a question. Would this process, be effective in these waters, and the answer is actually yes, actually got a project at the moment so with George Watson What their Western Australia reggae by George Western, sort of seating innovation program. We're actually looking at a P to reduce seek chlorine demand of spent wash water, and you could actually see it being used that. She'd Never Gatien if The sort of impetus was the motivation was so. Taking the sort of different technologies. Basically water treatment and apply them to irrigation watches totally feasible, and you'll overcome the limitations of basically putting antimicrobials into fields where you want them to be. Maybe you have some? Long term job security going forward then. But you did allude to Kind of the slowness of industry to really adapt these sorts of things and are in some sort of denial that they that the problem Mrs significant as it does Would you like to speculate on why you think that's the case? Well I think with the fresh produce sector for a start. You know everybody wants to do the right thing they don't want to. Poison customers and The very diligent food, safety side, but where they kind of lacking, is this sort of innovation? They kind of consider what they're doing. Now is good, and you'll get the outbreak that you're. The outbreaks come and go, but we're SORTA. Seven Romain lettuce outbreaks. We had I think that's really refocusing. Their efforts said you know I. Remember doing a workshop down in California with Michelle J Russell, who you bite. No, she's A. Veterinarian at UC, Davis, and basically she had this good neighbors workshop where Animal Production Peop- ranches. We're in the same room as a fresh produce one and you could say the contrast between them in the meat industry, I always say the fresh produce sectors very much like the meat industry was back in the early nineties. You know where they were having issues. Five seven after the hamburger thing. But they were very inventive. They will say yes. We have to put interventions in place, and they were very proactive, considering everything. That's why where the today you know six seven interventions whereas the fresh produce. People always think they've been a kind of castle. Castle, where did not affected by psych combination lettuce, unlike cattle don't carry pathogens well. When we think about. How the environment integrated into plant, animal and human health called one health, which I'm pretty sure rebounded around a few times at where have got to be, and you are getting companies so more inventive. This advanced oxidation prices has been commercialized and is being used by some California growers, and but that's where the next step has to be a thing. The fresh produce industry have to kind of go away from the defensive and away from depending on the FDA to give guidance. To one way or the are proactive and they recognize stats. Certain farms are going to have high risk it the feedlots, but not all farms are going to say risk and US where the kind of lawsuit a little way in that they could have done this sort of. Proposed, they risk assessment. Ceremonies blanket the recommendations to seem to give so why wasn't introduced why? There is a reluctance is I think he's that way? It's just go to have a change of culture kind of attitude shoot. Charm. It seems to me that. When you hear about initiatives in fresh produce safety. There's a lot of talk about traceability. There's talk about testing. s that part of I think that they're stuck in a little bit of a Rut and limited and not really looking at innovative more preventive approaches. And I think this, is it you know I think when they started proposing and the FDA kind of endorse what we're doing in saying well, we test for things. If we test the things we'll find them, but we we've covid nineteen at testing does have its place. But strategic testing testing testing sake, so we've in the produce sector. For example. They introduced testing, but When Pe- she read the details they well. You only have to take two samples of this Geisha water maybe a month, maybe every two months and sit. Do you good for the whole season? And I think people relied on testing as a safety net, and anybody knows anything about testing will tell you if y'all using testing as a safety net, you have to take hundreds of samples a lot of times, and what ready the should be doing testing for as we call the verification testing, saying this is this is fine with Donald intervention and it's working. What the also should be doing which the? Bought Wildman, getting the with his office in doing what we call strategic testing I said we don't just take random samples. We actually take samples which indicate to us how we got an issue. For example, river sediments is River sediments is a good example of fasten your the FDA She did do do the investigation as she did. Start look at river sediments, and that gives you a kind of history at as. Being done in University of Sydney which are actually muddled where based on geology and the the sort of water movement. They cut she spot or give you an area. Way should test if you want to know how. He's got color five seven of things like that so I fig- strategic everyone likes testing, buffing strategic testing and verification testings much better what they have now the simple reason it's obviously not were getting these outbreaks and things like that and. The Ova sort of pat they have is the traceability and the FDA go on about the traceability blockchain and things like that and in subways. Traceability sounds good I did let's say well. You know you can scan this barcode. It takes you right back to the field. It was harvested. We fresh produce a lot of it. As. Very Lettuce. Has a fairly short shelf-life, so you detect outbreaks. After the all these finish, so I always ask that question saying If you want to look at blockchain, wherever process well you test, it say would have prevented the equal on five seven outbreaks linked to Romaine lettuce on the guy replies to that. For various reasons because it wouldn't affect it, so I, my feeling is that say people say oh, trace abilities, testing is good which it is, but if it kind of takes resources away from interventions in these firewall said I think it said detrimental. You know thing gets very akin to your nineteen hundred, isn't it? When we look at raw milk yet? Could we test? I'll waits a safe raw bill that we saw was outbreaks. In a centrist you when you were talking about. The Meat Industry in the prejudice industry in the same room when we had talked at our very first podcast with Dave `they no, he brought up produce and said you know nobody cooks. They're salad, so produce is very unique that they that there's no kill. Step per se right so. It seems like there should be more effort to interventions after harvest, because it goes right from the field. There needs to be a step in there before it reaches the consumer so why? I mean there's some of that going on I'm sure, but why not more of it? Yes, and The reality is he's. That's what we need. We need kind of pasteurization process for fresh produce and washing. If it's done right, you can cross contamination, but the problem is is ready done rice near people looking for metrics and things like that, so it's almost like you have to come to a realization saying. We have to do something bold and washing and. Dressing in these strange times for in, is that people much more focused on fresh produce and washing and things to get homing soap and bleak. Promote for definitely it causes Bob Issues, so I think this sort of sunny transition and the technologies are coming through and. The old documents saying well, not practical lit up feasible the cost too much. which we see, the do I'd cost, but. What I found in my experience with the advanced oxidation process is that if you demonstrate the tangible benefits in shelf, life extension juice, walter usage reduce fungicides in the case of fruit. than the we become more receptive, but at the end of the day you know. Is the chair mindset at the moment shirt wear? The figure can control everything at the field level, and how many years have to pass until people say well, we can't. I don't know but. There are progressive process of juicy. Avow socks process system into that commercial line, so it's getting there so surely that's good now. If you looked at other food commodities besides produce. So. We have looked at different one. Sam. One very coming up now is the industry one the mate and the fish, and the obvious profit early steria I'll meet Salmonella and things like that, so we've I pay is so powerful that say if you pass it through a machine, you'll get literally oxide surf shovel whites, sort of chicken bites fish, which is already doing whitefish briefly doing sovereignty starts are good, so we've had to tweak it a little bit in terms of changing their chemistry, but it was a process out there now, so it can go really beyond just fresh produce. Beat sector, the sort of fish section over sexist for show follow. That's great looking forward to hear more about that. As it develops. So if we switch gears a little bit here With the increased demand for the and ninety five mask during the coronavirus pandemic. How were you able to pivot from disinfecting fresh produce to masks? Yes, this was a very interesting turn of events as oppose them, I must have made when I first heard about this outbreak. In China you know I remember them shutting down the city and I was just thinking that could never happen here and hey, we all today and Budgeting is that we will be so short of PPA at a personal protective equipment and. He's not by kit was the first Rodeo. It's so we had the bowl scare. We had sauce and I was surprised at in stockpile was kind of study that says well. He can't stockpile massacre. Say the kind of go out of date expire. We shy foul them. Usual Buddy where that's what it was, and so when the crisis really hit, which was in early March the whilst this call from the Canadian government that we need to get technologists to reuse, or I like to call extended life like to three us. Extend the life of. Five Master and Didn't take a of major league fair to say well, we actually started as we've cartons all those years ago and so we tried some. Put some mass through A. We'll talk to get the master sure and Lo and behold what much easier on old much better of mass because. Fresh produce and Massa very similarities in not yet. The bacteria microbes living crevices that you have to get old, but the actual material I the fruit. All the mask is very delicate as well. Once we found it worked. Than you know we just run with it and that we went to the Health Canada for approvals, and it was very intense month. I can tell you that, but it turned out to be very successful process. Ma, that's a great application So thinking you know if we if we think about the impact. Of the corona virus, and thus pandemic on the food industry. In a we've we've heard about. You know barriers going up on lines. You know more widespread I guess. Sanitation methods used. Do you think that. This kind of increase decontamination technologies or spurn some new innovation. Yes so rarely. The narrative now is completely after the. As Living Fru and people get much more focused now on decontaminating. especially of to retailer, and that she in the home, where p she wa-, she packages down and things like that and I imagine sort of suppliers and customers alike throughout the chain from the farm right through to the final consumer thought demanding these kind of technologies, and with advance oxidative processes so amenable to this should not as continuous very rapid lesson thirty second treatment you, we always vision to say the way you could put at the end of a sort of supermarket, says sort of cashier. Tel or belt and pass stuff through it. To give you a some sort of assurance, but I certainly think as we go back to work within the pandemic after the lockdown. Finish pestle protective requirement because all peaceful sanitize areas down. People kind of forget is that is person to person transmission which is significant? Yes, you could get it from service if you put your hand in hand. To Way, but we need personal protective equipment, and they're like masks, and I protection, and I think this is where these protests could come in can send the extend the use. We put a mass route fifty times issue valley changes in sort of fitting filtration, but you're limited to Ted because I guess you teach him master a certain amount of times. So I think. This is what the needs to get the personal protective equipment. Yes, social distancing as much as you can, but it's not easy to food club Fisher Cher. Now. A, maybe it's a little bit different up in Canada But how do you think the food industry as a whole is adapting? To these changes certainly meat and poultry has had some challenges lately, but on on the whole. Do you think? We're going to end up saying more positive or negative changes and food safety as a result. A good question you know because one would suppose isn't and that is that we've increased focus on. Sanitation hugged washing and everything like that. It would and. Sanitation is good because we know from sort of January. The previous lifetime will stay. That sanitation was always an issue and got overboard on that. Now. That's a good thing and I think Putz folks honest consumers in terms of food, safety, handling and things like that. Some of those things as washing and soap and bleach not. Good because they sort of increase across the board in people, basically poisoning themselves with sanitize. But you on the negative side of it I think one card, but health notice that the number of recalls outbreaks decreased and won't could interpret this. Say Look how good this is now got. People doing what they should be doing, but the reality is is. I. Don't know what bound in the US but study over here in Canada. Visit sold saying visits by auditors I'm even government inspectors, certain food facilities I'm not suggesting. The beaten streets say how got the allotted inspectors but over inspectors? Of heard stories where they go, personally, they basically have a skype. A someone goes round with so the camera showing them what it is so on the negative side of. The food industry suffering with that because. The Not getting inspection, and not getting the old it. Son By sort of feeling is as we do sort of stock engaging back into. SORT OF WORK! Is that these restrictions? We have here personal. Distancing and whatnot. That could have a negative effect. Because you kind of a new system you working on the, you're not working onto the whole house up system. Even though it should be they're. Basically working a new environment that could lead to era so. Pros and cons as always, but you just have to hope that we do get. Back to normalcy. One thing that's been kicked around a lot. Is the impact the overall impact on the supply chain so when you have restaurants that are closed down when you have. You Know International Travel you're not exporting. Product. And suddenly you know wears the food going and trying to shift it Do you think that's going to rebound? Or do you think that there are some changes that are going to be permanent? Trusting question and I think it really depends on how long this goes on I think people are predicting two years. The outside hopefully sooner than that. Vaccine, treatments it'll be something but I. Always think that people are altered by experiences, and this is one big experiences. And I remember being part of the homeland. Security out back into. After nine eleven, the setup food protection defense, and I never recalled anybody having the scenario of yes. Oh, respiratory virus, cutting the food system like it has we were thinking about all kind of exotic pathogens introduced so I think what it will do is reshift the industry. I think cab. Certainly it accelerates certain things that were kind of going on in the background before so if we think. Think about supply chain said we'd be diversifying robbing getting this sort of lean processing, which is just in time and have plenty redundancy in there. Every also think will bring in automation robotics much more than it's doing now again. These things in the pipeline now buffing the accelerated it and I think it'll be sort of online commerce. Keep going how the sort of restaurants and pubs tech come back. will take a long time. By sort of failing is people will start eating home moment again. There's sort of. Fame, if you're always trying to people online. Come soon just soldiering out Robin, going out a dollar less for a few years, however after the sort of veil of pandemic lifted, wherever will still say mindset is something else as so a lot of ways? I think it will change industry forever if it does go on for a year or two years, and it would be permanent changes for show. So I heard that this process of yours has won some awards you. WanNa talk about that a little bit. Yes, he was. I think he's was so innovative for the time we have some in Kalayaan. Terry, center of Excellence Awards high in Canada and what not award and the provincial lab innovation of the year award as well, but I think the biggest award was with the IFP last year with the Walmart sponsored foodsafety innovational via and I remember. Standing on stage with the collaboration commercial partners, and you always think when you getting those awards. Fig Back to the did to get their food grants food at the teaching and things like that, but I think what ready bodied home, especially with the ninety five masses as she doing something of change in terms of changing the system. You're actually contributing, not just writing papers, so yeah, it was a nice moment. That's I. Think over celebrates recall, but you know we. Take things like that. No I think you have to enjoy the victory so much in academia. You work on things and you never see. You know the endpoint. Might adapt what you've learned to something, but to bring through from start to finish his to be congratulated. What he was essentially a lot of research. Do you kind of fade into a big machine and it? Goes on with enough, but this we call it a C. say we started for wooden box. Allow this with a UV lamp and some hydro proxy. And led to a process which show you can process fifty two thousand cases of Levin's Day so yeah, it was a good feeling that great. So Keith I'd like to thank you for coming back and talking to us again. It's been a great pleasure to have you back on the podcast. Ranks bobby the pressure. Thanks again to Keith. Warner for reaching out to us, and for joining us on the podcast again today, and of course thanks to all of you for listening, you can find links to all the references we've mentioned in the episode in your show. SHONNO's access those in your podcast player or on our website at foodsafety magazine Dot com slash podcast, then find episode seventy three now. 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Risky Business #544 -- NYTimes Baltimore report falls over

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Risky Business #544 -- NYTimes Baltimore report falls over

"The. Hi, everyone and welcome to risky business. Weekly information Security, News and current affairs show. My name's Patrick great on this week. We'll be walking through all of the weeks Security News without good friend, Adam wiler, and then we'll head right on into this week sponsoring view with Marco Slavi era of thinks canary, and Marco joining us this week to talk about how he thinks application based deception techniques kind of a waste of time right now as things stand, we talk about how deception approaches where besting privileged mines. And then we talk about how security teams do better when they have dedicated ops develop that he's an interesting Chapman is coming up after the news without him boiler, which starts now. And out of that New York Times pace. Alex Thomas, and I discussed last week that alleged the eternal blue leaked NSA exploit was a material factor in this Baltimore City hack that story is looking mighty shaky now. Yeah, we've seen on articles come out by stone statements from various people who being briefed by the NSA, for example, saying that, that's absolutely knocked a case. Blue wasn't involved and the particular piece of malware in Christian didn't even have its own network spreading mechanism. It just wasn't part of the token and use in that environment. Yeah. We got this congressman Dutch robbers, Berga, which I think is just if I was going to pick a new name. I think Dutch Russia's Berga would be pretty close to the top of the list. He said, sl has no evidence because I think Baltimore's in his district, he's saying NSA has no evidence that a tunnel blue was used. And then we had this Senator van Hollen. Come out in issue, a more definitive statement, the NY times did a story where they sort of double down on the reporting, we've got a report from cribs saying it wasn't used, and we got an interesting one from Sean Gallagher where he managed to track down the ransomware campaign earners. Right. Like the people who actually did it. And they're saying, not we didn't use a tonal blue really say why why they lie about it. But I've actually got my own sourcing on this. I can't tell the listeners who the source is where they work, even what category of source, they are. But I did tell I gave you some information about the source without actually naming the source. This sauce says absolutely. Norway was attornal blue involved. And just so people don't think this is just me pulling this out of my hat atom based on the information that I've shared with you, would you think my sourcing on this is solid yet? Certainly did kind of kind of sound that way. If the sources as you made out to be then. Yeah. I totally buy it. Funny, one. Right. The all of the reports Saint kind of go wrong about about inverse. It's not the biggest thing we've seen, but it is a bit exasperated. This whole kind of all my God. We copy expected to defend against nation state. Hackers with amazing zero day hack tools. It's a three year old three years pasta. Patch time bog. Really? Come on. Yeah. Years, two years angle on the story was always weird. Right. And that was, what was getting the journalists who wrote it a lot of hate. And now we discover that, that it was actually wrong as well. I mean it is a bad look. I mean, if I had to guess, here on side, I've just got bad sourcing. That's, that's the only nation. I can I can come up with that. I think they made it up. I just think they got misled. Yeah. It's certainly possible. Maybe there's been other attackers in the environment. You know, maybe in the pasta was the case, maybe, you know, there's all sorts of things that can happen. But in the end you need eternal blue or NSA grade bugs hacking putting patchy. On for two years. Yeah. Municipal council. You know, ERM I know council here where I live. You wouldn't need a tunnel blue to get to get in there. And I'm sure that's the case in most places that don't have IT Israel coal focus security is a real, cool focus, and it didn't sound like from what we've read that was the case, you know, and I don't know necessarily who is pushing the attornal blues theory. And there's a number of reasons why you do that theory. But I'm not gonna share. I know you're. Theory. Now look, you know, you're studying kind of on the same topic this Peabody. That was presumably v paid by the cues process. I mean, that seems to be the theory here. The patch is being out a while now. And we're seeing people tweet little video screen shot. Video is claiming that they do have reliable AUSSIE for that bug. And I mean, you know, some people are even saying, hey, I'm not even good at running exploits. And I figured it out. We've seen someone tweeting showing that they actually have a Mets boy module, fort no one has publicly like made this thing available yet, but you do get the sense to matter of time. Yeah, I think this is a really interesting process to watch, and especially as, as a comparison to the previous thing with tunnel blue where someone dropped the ball got used for all sorts of things around the place. No one, I think with this blue Cape. One, no one really wants to be the guy that writes the, you know, the drops the public spoi- interesting because he's a shift in mentality. 'cause like you would drop that for bragging rights. And now, people like no I don't wanna do that. David Litchfield dropped one of those SQL bugs that got worm that was blaster a slammer or one of those two and I think he was a bit. Oh. I know when, when this was going on the last few days, I in the work. I said, no one wants to be the next. Steven Ridley right? Who the guy is responsible for drop in the weaponized that gets dry, because that's the times have changed little, which which was behind which Stevens. One code red was that his remember, remember. Yeah. But it was one of the big Williams was was Steven Steven his hardly. His fault hundred percent him. No one wants to be that guide him which is a total change. Right. Because I mean, the old days where, you know, showing up on stage and irresponsibly dropping oday at a con was the peak of hackers fist. We had talk that local monthly ACA meet up last week, where I had a bunch of Colonel box was using the restraint like Docker escape. And he redacted the bugs and our local pub hack Amita because things have changed. It's kind of a return to the early early days where, you know, you can have mine if I can have yours. Or you have a million dollars. You want to sell it to somebody, but even then that's also changing, because now people are starting to understand that the stuff gets used for things that aren't hackles anymore. Yeah. Yeah. That's funny enough NS. I is actually out there publicly urging people to patch against this one. I don't know how much that's going to do because I don't think the type of people who run unpacked ADP opened to the internet type of people who follow the NSA on Twitter. Yeah. I think that might be a say that doesn't overlap just a lot of XP boxes out there, you know, doing things that people have just forgotten about with open ID PM. And it's going to get on. Don't forget to like one of the reasons that these women get so severe pay. Everyone keeps looking at the one million figure right that there's one million RDP boxes. RDP's available over the internet. Right. But that's not your, your target limit. You know, once you jump from the bucks, that's on the internet. There's a whole bunch of stuff connected to that box. Maybe on the inside. And that's going to get, you know, you'd think if you dicey chine this with hell why not use a tonal blue tonal blue? And the thing you gonna be looking at something pretty destructive. Right. Like I mean really destructive. Yeah, obviously an initial entry point gets you along win. It's a windows box privileged. You can pull the Craig's if everyone who's logged into that box recently and off you go and the sorts of things that are running into three Winnick's be older windows. Is that this honorable to this chances are you're not going to be using low privileged accounts connected to demand? It's running some kind of service, so typically, these are gonna be boxes that you drop on them, and you're gonna end up with. At minimum privileged account, and instant demand, Adleman. And at that point over patching in the world doesn't buy anything you just gonna get ruined. Yes. Possible drama. Coming there. I'm Iran still getting shadow brokers telegram, speaking about people's tools getting stolen. Yeah. The, the crew that is ruining day, people seem to assume that this is some kind of nation state campaign to, to meet with Iran's capability. We'll. They dropped the tool cold Jason the I con appears to look like the Jason from the movie like the horror movie, Jason hockey mask thing. So interesting cultural reference there. This particular tool is a Microsoft exchange web services like brute force her. So if you have a bunch of accounts in Boston to someone single factor exchange on the internet AWS, multi fact that can, you know, well, this is the thing that's a shift of tricks for bypassing multi factor through some of the obscure all points in exchange or. Yes, is absolutely a toll that works. And, you know, a great reason why having single factor. The main anything on the internet is a really really bad idea. Yeah. I mean, you know, this is one that would actually be imagined quite handy for pen, testers. Offers that we have similar tooling. That's kind of more robust supply chain, shall we say, I was gonna say, let's go and encourage everyone to run a rainy. Unlike AP crew code on the computers. Gopher guys. Let's not do that. Hey, the intercept has published a whole bunch of your member ID today, that was like the essays internal newsletter. And they published like some really boring parts of it like shortly after Snowden. Gave up all that info, they've revisited that pulled out a whole bunch of most of new stuff, and turn it, turn it into. I can you know what can best be described as a pretty bad ass feature to say this was a cracking raid. Yeah. It was a good YoM. Let's funds stories of areas, you know, sort of groups inside the NSA and bits of CIA doing all sorts of crazy crazy hacks around the world over the is kinda. Kind of interesting and kind of this sort of thing, you'd expect them to be doing, you know, showing up and all sorts of strange corners of the World War, driving the Indian embassy in Beijing or something, all sorts of crazy, stuff like that. I found the apparently in the Indian embassy. They found Chinese empire that was filling documents out. So they were fourth party collecting that around the world from the same Giannis crews, lots of stories. Yeah, I mean, my favorite one was actually going to a bit of detail on how a bunch of jihadis, we're using internet, cafes in various locations in the Middle East, but they didn't have the locations of those internet cafes. And it was actually quite hard to pin them down. So they actually wound up owning up the provider of internet services to internet cafes like someone who, who happened to handle access for a bunch of those cafes and got their customer database to locate the cafes in cross reference, that with activity, though, are observing went full X key score in the region. And then they were able to actually Ty location. To these these people and detain them like and capture them. Right. So it's just a really interesting peek into what work day seeking looks like. Yeah, exactly. Right. And I think for a lot of people find it kind of navy Lous about what they actually do this kind of example of, of what actually happens. Now, look, some news from here in a strike. Leah it appears that the straddling government is launching pretty serious crackdown on national security, information, winding up in the press. We saw a ride the other die against I News Corporation journalist Annika Smith. I and today as I speak, the federal police actually writing the Broadcasting Corporation headquarters in Ultimo in Sydney, which is pretty hectic and another journalist by the name of Ben Fordham quite a high profile journalist Heim affairs has been in contact with him to tell him that an investigation has been launched into his reporting. On the arrival of some asylum seekers by boat in a strategy, which apparently now is national defense information. This is something that when the government started describing this as national defense, information of the time if you use ago, I said was a pretty worrying thing. And he, we are now there's. At this stage. It doesn't look like going off to the journalists they're going after the sources. But this is amazing just just a couple of weeks after an election. And we've got these rights now, they're saying the IFP is saying, this is about risks to national security. Now, let's look at the three reports in question. One is the Afghan falls, which detailed the motor of civilians by troops in Afghanistan. Okay. Now rotting about that, in my mind, does not endanger national security. Mentioned Ben Fordham's work, which was looking at the arrival of asylum, seekers by Bush, this does not endanger, national security, the third pace. I think is one that you and I might have even covered at him which was a very bizarre. Hey, so I've got to be on this is the Smith pace where it looked like she'd obtained some memos that was spun out of defense in ISD was seeking to have the power to interfere with local infrastructure that was being leverage in a cyberattack, which is fairly routine stuff. She spun that into a story that was basically saying, I was going to spy on a stray liens and they're gonna go after you financial records and your and your medical records. So it was a bit of a bunk piece. But that's that doesn't mean she should be right at her home and office righted by the federal police. I mean what are you even say about Elise? Yeah. Well, I guess this underscores the importance of journalist source protection as an actual protected function. Him. And I hear a New Zealand, for example, we recently had a case, where gentlest was right by the place to go after a sauce. And we ended up having kind of a cold case, challenging the legality of the warrant and really underscoring the importance of source protection as a thing that you need to have to have functioning journalism as a check and balance in a democratic society. That's really what this is about about squashing. Right. Is making sources of fried making journalists so afraid to handle sans of sources and kind of keeping the stuff a little bit lower down the list of things that are happening. Yeah, I mean souls protection against, you know, metadata polls against bicycle violence, like the things that, that thirties can do within the law short of physical, right? Like that is chief -able. But once you start talking about the IFP actually, kicking in your dole and searching your premises. It gets a lot hotter. I will be very curious to see if they manage to identify the. Sources by Stolnis activity. I really hope I don't. Yeah. I mean, you've got a heart as journalists understanding of basic up, six is at least reasonable, although it is, obviously really hard to do it. Right. One of the things that, you know, when we were dealing with the case here in New Zealand that was particularly concerning was, you know, wall stays writes, maybe a particular source from particular investigation. You don't know what other sources that any particular journalists might be handling really has a chilling effect on all of they were not just take your stories that might be Nazi relevant, even if toon to the extent of these on that sick relevant. You don't know what other sources are gonna get burned the same time. And, you know, the assurances you get from the range of things might particularly cover is not super compelling. When you've had all of your work turned upside down and stuck in the box. It's just it's just a polling saying what's going on. But anyway, it's not directly, Infosec relevant. I think the, the closest thing to make it relevant would be that, that story dealt with some ISD matters. And there was a, you know, sort of cyber Angolan it, but we'll move on. But look nameless, decipher Australians on Twitter, particularly journalists Twitter is just going to be a strategy journalist screaming about this for at least the next day or two. Now look speaking of someone who deserved there, right? The phantom secure. See our Vincent rumour has been sentenced to nine years in prison, and had to give up eighty million bucks, which is quite a loaf of bucks, because he was the one who was selling. You know, these these custom encrypted phones to the scene alot car, tell them what not it looks like we can draw a line under this one. It's done. Yeah, I think so there's a few people who were involved in the organization that off still on the run. But yeah, the boss man has gone down as you say that, that's a reasonable amount of money, and yet nine years in jail would certainly make you think twice about about doing it again. Yeah. Kinda makes you feel a little bit. Sorry for Russell brick got life life means life. And these guys actually operating digital services for the alot cartel that likes dissolving people in acid, and he gets nine years. It's just interesting, isn't it? Yeah. There is a little bit despaired, though. I guess, you know, the old brick did think that he was ordering hits on people even though he didn't. That's a fair point. Whereas this guy's just has uses cold, Nick happen. I just totally reminded me. Why didn't feel sorry for him. Closure resolution. Thank you, Adam, that was very helpful all now, speaking of silk road, joy Cox's reporting that the silk road to admin Blake Bentham, is it looks like he's only going to be sentenced for tax crimes because he's saying, like the proverbial canary. Yes. Apparently, whatever deal here range, the Emerton for being extremely open with the authorities as altered him being found to have done tax crimes only, and yes, he's going to have to pay taxes on his ill-gotten, doc market gains during the period. Then he was uprating still grow two point. I'm quite sure how much tax ios but I'm just a bit. It's probably a bit. I didn't that he didn't have to forfeit his his prophets. I don't really understand base Schuermann. I mean he must have given up some good info. He must have been like super cooperative. Well, it must have been given out full rubs his ching, right? I mean, we have seen a lot of doc markets go down in the time since then, and practically all of them. I mean there's very little of the big name ones right him. They've really been affective and the path from previous silk road. Sogo Terry right following individual high-profile users as go to the admins in the new one. That's a technique that has done them. Well, I imagine if he was cooperating early on then Yam, and that might have actually been pretty good deal for them. Yeah, yeah. True. Now last week, we spoke about how one of these bitcoin tumblers was shut down and the operators charged with money laundering, and stuff. Another one called bitcoin Blenda has just shut up shop, I'm guessing because the heat got too much. But, you know, we've said that about dockets before they've closed before the hate got to them. And then. Turns out they got arrested awake light. But it seems like it seems like it's. Diner is to operate a bitcoin tumbler at the moment. Yeah. Does seem that way? And this one, I guess, is notable in the sense that they appear to have not exit scammed, which I'm confused by this they, they decided to accept because of the pressure, and they had a bunch of other people's bitcoin, and they just said how you may want him with before we shutdown. That's pretty weird. I'm confused this normal life cycle of anything in the cryptocurrency willed. Well, I guess, I mean, maybe they thinking about the liability there. You know what I mean? If you wanna if you wanna actually put yourself into into a defensible position where you're like, well, look where privacy service. We're not interested in crime. Document when you've stolen everyone's money on the other hand stealing. Everybody's money. Gotta love that money. Shopping destinations with no extradition, treaties. Oh, yeah. Any so group. Is the investors in so group facing little bit of pressure here? And this is interesting bunch of groups kind of leaning on not just the invest the entity that directly invests in. But the entities that fund that investment vehicles. So we're talking about things like pension funds. Right. So this is an interesting approach where rights groups are now going off to the following the money, right? And trying to exert some pressure that way it's interesting. Yeah, it seems like a smart way to work. The labor is right. You're not going to get anything out of actual venture capital, mur- capital firm. They're not gonna care. They do care about money and going off to something like a pension fund. And we've seen this kind of like. Kind of like public sector workers pension funds and stuff. Getting latest saying, hey, you realize that you guys are funding people who are providing tools to oppress, you kill journalists and foreign countries like maybe you don't want to sell guns to fund your pensions, and, yeah, that's a take that is causing a few questions to be asked all of the capital firm. That is the biggest shareholder in so group. Yeah. Gripe on chatter on this says that this might actually that there is real pressure that there is real pressure now and invest is starting to see the risks. So it's interesting. Let's see, let's see what happens there. Joseph men of Reuters has written a book about cult of the dead cow and we're seeing a bunch of excerpts sort of Gaul round and various people, reading they copies and posting interesting little bits and pieces Lorenzo noticed when he was reading that Joseph is reporting in this book that he believes finance Fisher. Of course the the group, and I've always said it was a group with suspiciously. Upset the group that went off to like gamma group and hacking team Joseph's is his sources indicate that, that could be a Russian front. Yeah. I guess it's an interesting theory and. I don't know whether it immediately rings true, and the original OG Fisher that went after fish, amick and something hacking team like I did kind of feel like al-qaeda people as opposed to intelligence agencies pertaining to be kind of people in the subsequent ones. I'm not sure like the, the idea that it's a group of people that they the membership of that group changed over time that seems more plausible whether Russians. Whether it was Russia's, but I've always said that they could be a possible, sort of it just was the whole thing was white, too. Pro. It was pretty good. But the list of the list of people who do that kind of thing is pretty big Rodman. It was a smooth operation, but I'm gonna work with a bunch of people who could do it. It's kind of honest were kind of in the minority, man. It's that we we're not talking tens of people in the eye. We're talking thousands rather says not a good hacking. A thing that plenty of people able to like they have gone. There's a lot of people who can hack a lot of things, and most of them either. What hat sell outs like year? Who has time? It's true. And I'm not saying I'm not saying that the Joseph's. Right. I'm not saying that it was Russians. I'm saying that, that's something he's reporting being on the grapevine in intelligence circles, that he's plugged into he's been doing this long time. So I have no doubt that he's heard this, whether or not it's true. I don't know either. But this idea that finance fishe was just some learn board, activist that has always seemed like complete book to me. Yeah, I mean, you want to believe I guess, right in the in the principal super good of his job, activist during this thing and protect the universe. But yeah. I guess, I guess everyone has jobs in the has sold out in the disease. Epochal whatever to go actually, protect people. That's really great. We don't the. Sydney being a bunch of people having opinions about different aspects of the book and the accuracy, minimum overall the couple of accepts that I've read seems pretty reasonable about about this particular. Now, speaking of excerpts, why it has actually published an excerpt from the book that chronicles the history of the at stake, mafia. It's actually pretty good rate. Yeah. I quite enjoyed this grew up reading a lot of hacker history. And you know all the different peoples and groups, and the various things are going on in the eighties and the nineties, scenes, and now it's actually kinda strange reading the modern interational the next next few chapters in this story of ACA history, and it just being a whole bunch of people that we know it's friends and acquaintances friends friends, and I think the must be, you must have anything I have direct connection with the bulk of the people that are in that story. That's a weird sensation. Feel that kind of in the middle of it. But yeah, it's, it's always interesting mean every time he read this kind of pick out new things that you didn't know because everyone's got because the summer secrecy in this industry in this, lots of little, little bits and pieces and even win this, you know, some people who have worked within the story, we don't necessarily know. Oh them having interesting. Interesting bit. Yeah. Well, one thing that I believe, to be wrong is this story says that kusc rock is actually at stake, mafia. It's not something that I've seen him really discuss openly before, but he is actually an ex at St. guy, it says that he moved to Thailand to live above a brothel and changed his name to. And that's like not true. Right. Crockett said. He's like that. He's defamatory like that. He's. Dan Cuthbert lived in Bangkok at the same time that was the deep, not live above a brothel. He lived in a very nice neighborhood is the perception of versus the reality is a mighty mighty Gulf. Let me tell you, if you want to have a really boring mild time in Bangkok, get in touch with gras and try to convince him to come somewhere Fum from the suburbs. Right. Because that's that's more the experience that he's a daytime that I was surprised to see in this. I've got to say is a bit of his a bit of a soft deal. Cock he's such a sweet guy like this is the thing that people don't understand is. He's actually and I know he listens to this show so high, he's actually a very sweet and sensitive guy. And he's identity is not as super secret to everyone just stop. Right. And look it's a little bit because he sort of plays. Tough guy used to more. He's city pot of his mystique. When he was in the big business. Yeah, man. Yeah. It was. It was. It was good for him, I think, to have that. And then I do that. The wide exit has been updated to quote more accurately reflect crocs location. I'll really yes change that after the Twitter rising. Okay, right. That's good. That's good. And I guess when you start seeing people use the defamation, then that's my change, and I'm glad they changed that, yes, Google cloud had a shocker of an outage few days ago. We don't really know we don't really know what happened here. It was funny though. Because on the status page, it showed Google PLUS's being up. Discontinued, but it might be a room for some customers. I got knowing but yes, showing a little green light next to Google, plus plus up. Thank God little network back order not actually connected to anything anymore up. But what do we know about this? Well, we don't know much. And there was some kind of outage it label three here's a big transit provide about the same time. And people have been speculating that maybe was related. We don't really know pop up on Google's oversee running around screaming, and some of their internal tooling, apparently also not really working. Well, so they were having some trouble coordinating response, and we know about him and you and I both know up on show, Google raise other other sorts of people who are probably pretty busy at the moment. I am mentioned, the post mortem that they have internally is going to be a hell of a one because, you know, win Google has an outage to speak. It's going to be interesting. Like it's not going to be some boring thing happened, how much reveal publicly I guess, we'll have to wait and see. I'm depend on what it was the coast it right? Well, yeah. Just, you know, it's a good reminder that you put it in the cloud. It's somebody else's computer and sometimes computer stop working, Kevin Beaumont had had a good Twitter gag about how, you know, here come the single pane of glass, multi cloud vendors. This is this is the thing, right? You got to pick you provide. I think. Some interesting discussion that I've seen on that. I've lost few dies and really like you're not ready for multi cloud. No one is one class just get you one cloud. Right. And then maybe think about it, but we haven't even got on prim right yet. Just forget about that. Look. This is interesting, right? Apparently, there's some huge security test of Hawaii equipment and other equipment. There's like a telco equipment bake off going on. I think it might be a DHS thing in the US one hundred people are apparently all hammering away at this Toko. Aghia and China has apparently been like leaking Vons in areas in the kit to the people doing the test, right? To try to try to the stats is pretty interesting. That is pretty funny. I guess, just, just funny, obviously, they won't manipulated. So the results come out. Always bad. But worse. Yeah. They're gonna make a good point. Right. Yeah. This is free. Pin testing China, dropping some sweet bugs just for Feis reasons, rather than using them to actually earn your course. Got to learn how to better Hanis that particular quirk of Chinese culture around citing. To. Yeah. It's gonna make enough, jugs and Vinci law shove them. So we'll look airbags. Okay. Thank you very much. It's nice. The story of linked to is absolutely terrible, by the way, because it doesn't say who's doing the test, and then describes them leaking bugs to participants as hacking attack. And it's like it's probably bad. So I got no idea like even if it's true. But it's, it's just too funny not to talk about the Russian military is replacing windows with its own, like Russia, developed links, destroy this is pretty interesting. Yeah, it's hard to argue with them in. I would be pretty pretty twitchy, if I were on Russians running manuka missiles on windows in which probably were so. Yeah. Seems to make sense way of their domestic Lennox is better than a windows. I don't know. It seems like a recipe for a whole bunch of different supply chain problems that are probably hotter to, to, to work within the Microsoft ones. So I'm not sure whether it's positive, but at least it will give them the feeling of more control. Yes. That's what is that. A strident company sends us. I said to me, well, at least they're honest about what the selling. That is my stand a gag my. There's nothing. So they got I think this thing. I got no idea. Hi, guys. If you're listening. Funny, right. Because yeah. China's China's also looking you know, we spoke about that. I think last week the week before that China's looking to do something similar, like we're not going to use windows anymore. So I don't think really the operating systems on necessarily the future of Microsoft's business. You know, because I don't think I di- Mike all that money out of sales nail do they well, given the amount of Lennox that's involved soft life, these days, clearly, coal windows, just a pot of the play in infrastructure as a service and all of the bases doing are the that I seem to be making most of the doubts about rather than, than, necessarily call windows. But on the other hand, cool windows is pretty robust these days, especially if you're using it in lockdown relatively minimalistic way. But then again, that's a great candidate for Unix. So it's funny right Lennox coming to the desktop. Thanks to Microsoft, right? You'll be rolling out links, something that could happen in the next few years. Probably radium. It's in the cloud, you can, you know Ronald stuff online and. Yeah. Trying strange today's now I remember years ago, reading about how soot and travel websites, we'll different room writes in NFL prices, based on your computer that you happen to be using. Right. Because they like we know people with max have more money so you know, had like three percent to the room. Right. Turns out this is an approach catching on with Mel way writers at him. Yes. The maze. Ransomware apparently will attempt to determine what kind of computer, it's on. And then presumably child, you more of it turns out to be a server or some kind of big system. This is if it's a high Muser right now, this is just sort of innovation in software licensing. Automatic licensing. I mean, there's a few people could could learn from this of God licensing, but no, this is this is the kind of innovation that makes stand out in a crowded marketplace. Nice nice now looking on this next story. It's just a fishing lure. Right. It's a write up on a fishing Lua, which isn't the sort soda thing that we would normally discuss. But Lori it's a good one. It is this is a Lou. That's been hitting office three sixty five uses and it proposes to be a court. Medium, severity looked trigger about a whole bunch of files being deleted. Which is a really good thing. We're gonna click on and the best thing is because it's all hosted on zoo. You get like a legit Microsoft certificate yet. I love that. I love that. But yeah, yeah. The fake log in page on as your windows dot net site with the marks of sir, like it's just the smooth it would really work. I'm sure it does work. Yeah, I'm sure someone's having a lot of fun with that. Sorry. Yeah. You might want to make sure your Email you know, scrubbing providers on top of that, one because each docket bug going around. But I mean look, this is just one of many this one looks like a pretty simple. One. Hi impact. But, but pretty simple. But a lot of this stuff, man, like Kuban Eddie's DACA. It just hasn't really. It doesn't really have the feel of having been all that tested. Yes. Yeah. I think the we're talking about this in a second. But I think the key thing here really is that these are primarily not security technologies, right there for software, deployment convenience rather than, than security, taken do not give you separation. Yes. And they give you just enough. Maybe I could get away with it. But then this just, you know, you'll one Colonel bug away Marie bad time. And I said, we had some drop just last week at local Mita now this particular bug is kind of interesting in a way it's a time of time of use bug when handling copy operations from outside the Docker container to inside the containers of his tools that you can use the move falls around, so it using CPT befalto into your out of a Docker container, then this allow. Those things running inside the container to kind of do some sim link, trickery and gain access outside the officers relies on using those operations from outside of these tools like Dhaka CPS particular is designed for develop a use rather than like production. Heavy thing is it's not particularly fast and all that kind of thing. So how many Docker containers are going to get escaped by this kind of depends on how many people of Bill automated tooling around these hosting provider doing this and you use to do backups regularly, or something than this could be absolutely terrible for other people that might not actually have impacted -als. Interesting. The main thing is, I guess how they fix. It is a little bit. We just kind of introduced an option to pose the container whilst I do. Any follow operations are if you wanna copy a really big fall into your doctor Kadena. Oh, things. Just gonna stop for a while. That's great really look for in production. But that's the type of agile DevOps enabled future. We were expecting. If you have a fleet of seventy thousand Microsoft's, does it matter? If one of them's pull us rip it right? I guess that's the rash. L but. Old school, Unix note, and may just doesn't like this. Twitch twitch, twitch twitch. We're seeing micro patch out for one of those sandbox escape a professor, and I love this privilege, Mark, because it is really, really old school. Tosks stuff I get this man. I remember this song. Yeah, that's interesting. When we every time we see one of these patches ahead of Microsoft patching. You gotta wonder how many people are, are actually doing that are sufficiently twitchy, about the stuff that deploying, what's the intersection of people who are twitchy enough, about a local privilege that they would deploy pre patch bug like with, with all of the kind of supply jenkinson's that come with that many, but it's not fix. I wanted to talk about this one. Just because I love the old school -ness of the bug pretty museum one. This is like a bug in the task scheduler like you make Tosks. And then the task fall that gets created in the windows. Directory somewhere has owned by the using the task. But you can then have linked to another fall and then kind of Reigate the schedule task change the poems on the target of the of the links of, and you can overwrite of falls and approved, which is. That, that's pretty spot them. And if anything, it's almost an old school Unix bag that kind of link traverse Owens ES pretty funny, but I mean, you remember that Tosh Angela was was a source of lots of useful. Oh, good bugs back in the old bugs really kind of features exactly right. Because it was it was really good for L P. Yeah. Well, it was good times windows, multi user was took a long, long time to get there. Yes. Yes, it did flip board had a daughter breach. But, you know, you break through this, and it's, it's hard to see how they did a bad job when you read through it, because you like, well, you know, even even uses from from eight years ago, the worst you coulda done here is that you passwords out there as uniquely salted show one, and that's really the minority most of them bakery. Yeah, I think the other thing that concerned about was that they had like integration ks. If you'll also with other services from his that's Mike compromise other accounts, but yeah, but having everything be grafted. I think they say that they were they moved to be crypt while twenty twelve and if you'd logged in since then, then you had your Ashok read, so yeah. And the worst breach was saying longtime. No. No. It's like it's that's why you do that stuff is so that when this happens, it's not the end of the world, Google is look, the headline says, and it's from lily. Hi, Newman at wide says Google is finally making some crime extensions more secure. Yeah. I mean, Google is tightening up the way that means work for extensions so that they're going to have last privilege overalls, once a proud of the principle of least privilege and in kind of warned developers and often advanced in deal with that overall the chrome eco-system as bad as the Android system. But the browser is just apply where you don't want bad things happening. And they really really donate to keep a pretty tight lid on Listrik gets out of control in the same way that store in the wider Andrea system did, and come back and bite them. We got this interesting story here from strata where we've got this cold day. Right. I think you can pay people like it's it allows for the instant transfer. Money between banks either using either a mobile phone or an Email address. And I think the whole thing kind of hinges on a directory, and this sort of AP I look at look, way you can throw a phone number at it, and it gives you the details that you will need to successfully address the transaction and there's been some abuse. I mean, that's my reading of this story. Is that what you from it as well? Yeah. I mean, the story seems to go that someone has queried this database and got a whole bunch of mapping between. Fun, numbers, and names, Email, addresses and names, which, you know, in some cases, is a genuinely useful thing to be able to do we don't know. Exactly. Who did it? We don't know won't for. But it made a bit of a splash and the media in Australia. And I think the, the thing I wanted to point from attaining Baker perspectives. Not super interesting right them and being able to do this kind of look, you know it's not ideal. But whatever the funny thing is I bet you somewhere. There was a pain taste report, which has this, you know, you can enumerate use those virus thing, likelihood me severity. Risk is man times man. Right, man. Squid pretty man. I would have gone. Well, whatever risky. And yet, he on the front page will on edge off the city Morning Herald talking. Win your interpreting pen test reports. Or maybe not just put a lime through everything that isn't immediately read, because sometimes the main ones are the ones that are actually going to come out and get you and that story was by Ben grubbing Clancey. I and it's been awhile since of Saint bang. Ben Grubbs byline on this welcome back Ben twentieth from Terry Zang who apparently received a forty thousand dollars bounty for Microsoft's via bug crowd for a critical off bypass on, Microsoft cloud. The reason I mention it is because forty KYW means it must have been a doozy. Yeah. Must've been pretty funny by apparently he is going to take to the stage at black hat with some people from crowd to talk through this particular bug. So, yeah, I guess, either Vano before we'll get to see what what it was. But forty K you to imagine it must be pretty funny, bug. Now look this last story, it's not even an Infosec story. But it's just something that I saw that struck me as being sufficiently interesting that I wanted to talk about it. It's just a really interesting bit of research that found that targeted on. Online ads are only Mike four percent more revenue than contextual ads. I just think that is fascinating. Considering how much of the internet Konomi is built around personalized ads to have research, come out that says, contextualized is, basically as good and is none of the privacy inviting both that goes with that I just think that's amazing. Yeah. I think that is an important data point, how much it's not just how much of the advertising, but how much of the infrastructure for collecting cookies and analyzing everything and putting it into gather realtime at broking and all of the vulnerabilities that come from from that infrastructure. This is the I guess security angle for it right them. And how many people are broken into adn it works, you know, because they also complicated because they have to business stuff and ended up dropping exploit gets on people whereas, you know, can take advertising that was a little bit more static would have less moving parts to get. Risky business is contextual advertising, right? Like that's what we do. And that's why very early on when I started this business. I'm essentially a publisher, right? And I did not want to go the route where I was going to be collecting people's information, you get the less slow these days in podcasts. We're sort of thing, people used to think that we're kind of a webinar thing and that'd be saying, we have the Email address of the people who listen to it. It's like no, you can't. And you don't need that anyway, but that's actually full the week's news. It's great to have you back on board. We got one more next week. Then I'm going on holidays for a couple of weeks Batten down the hatches rental. Yeah. One more episode next week, then two weeks leave. But that's it for this week. It's been a real pleasure and to next week. Yeah. Look for pet. That was unin boiler there with a look at the week's Security News one quick announcement this week. We recently did a soapbox dishes with VM, right? If you're an incident responder, or otherwise interested in Maui analysis, you can get yourself a free thirty day trial VM right by heading to VM ri- dot com. I was also last week. And just by coincidence, I caught a demo which was it was cool to see. I mean obviously, I'm not a Mel way of. But the Vam Ray output. I saw was useful stuff, you could tell by looking at the outputs, what type of malware, you're dealing with, like that, one that's going to be a k logo and you could sort of see VM, right? Building the case, and then sort of saying, yeah, this is a kilo so, yeah, it was cool. But yeah, it is time for this week sponsored of you. Now with Marco Slavia of things canary thinks Mike's hard one honeypots you can install in privileged zones, in your computing environments, they're easy to deploy and I work very well. They've got virtual honeypots to fuel cloud environments. And I've just rolled out GCP versions of those things also provides tooling to allow you to generate and monitor canary token. So all round they do cool stuff that belongs in the category of. Deception now a little while ago we had Phil medics of signal sciences on the show. You're in a box and one topic we spoke about just a little was based deception now it's not really something signal sciences does. But Phil was spit, bowling some ideas around that and kind of describing what the contemporary thinking in web ice decision is Marco heard that conversation and he thinks we need to cool out jets on the idea of web-based deception approaches for now at least I spoke to Moscow last weekend. He is what he had to say about that. So I did catch the soapbox and look with honeypots we've been thinking about the stuff now for a while. And I'll use honeypots and deception interchangeably just because end with the app, deception of the honeypot idea, it's been around for, but encountered also quite a while ago and. I think we share some of those concerns that you had. So while the idea sounds useful, there is. It's just a time sink to Bill, the stuff and in order to you're going to spend the time you're going to build this fake part of your site, or you're gonna embed these things in robusta takes HMO comments. And at that point, depending on where those things, those, those Lurs are embedded you just potentially get a whole lot of noise. So Cetinje stuff and any public facing website is just going to generate noise. And even if it's behind an indication Barry of some kind, if you accept a bullet, like you've got better things to do. It's unlike you have someone actually take the time to, to build that when you've got a long list of talks sitting in your JIRA. I feel that we will eventually get to the point where the mic is of web security software will come up with a few tricks. Just simple ones. That'll be useful. But what you said is interesting. And look, I think the reason that you've had success with. Even just your hardware, honeypot business, which is really, what kicked things off is because prior to you guys, you know, people people thought of honeypots is things he put on the internet to collect that noise. Right. That was what made the interesting, and then you sort of flip that on its head and said, well, why don't you put them on the inside of the network? So you're going from like anyone can access them. It's completely unproved traffic. If that makes sense to hang on any traffic, hitting this thing is all of a sudden quite interesting. And it's harder to do when you're talking about web applications, isn't it? Well, so that part about thinking around hunting, in general, is at we try and a generalized little bit. What what we like to think of is in tombs of protected. Domains inputting, honeypots inside protected domains. And so for the traditional model predict protected Demane would have been inside network behind the firewall, and that makes sense. And one of the things that we see with out cloud customers is if you're running a cloud with loads you have protected, it's going to be a VP C and people are running honeypots inside the seas. So those protected demands on not like if the thinking is just that a protected vein is your traditional network with saying that there's a lot more of those, and you can extrapolate protected domain, to inactivation, right. Or protected domain could be a someone's individual machine. And it's, it's one of the reasons why from the beginning, we will also talk can every tokens. And for us the canary tokens concept is time to find ways to detect reaches of the protected the main which is your actual machine. Yeah, I mean, you're seating, your seating in those tokens with the actually information that you want to know when it's. When it's when things are happening to it. Right. Exactly. And, and when it comes to detection, wet -ception thinking around that is one of the one of the ideas with making pots of the of application or website, presupposes, that you actually have access to this will vote for the website and in an increasing SAS world, that's not the case. So if you are a g mail customer, it's not like you can Bill fake ought g mail but at the same time, those SAS products, usually ready, figura, and our thinking around level, deception moves more towards configuration, inside those, those tasks applications, like one exalt would be if you use officer an office, the Esa service. So you log into octa on your desk. Ford's it will see. Links that will take you through a bunch of the Auty applications websites on end. If you earn Adleman in October, you set up a fake, Semel 'social site. So the idea is that if you're actor is ever breached an attack of his looking at the dashboard, sees some application, they click it, and that thing triggers, a looked will yet. But this is coming back to that, same thing, right? Which is deception is most useful when the P is where someone shouldn't be right. Which is why, you know, having been facing in an in Annapolis station even Honey putz around for so long. I mean, there was the Honey net project, right? Like for a long time, but everyone was running with this idea of, like, hey, just put it on the outside. Catch all of the noise, see what you turn up, and it's like that's fun for academic purposes. But what do you even do with that information? Like, okay, I got attacked with this exploit great. Now, what do I do that him for mation? I mean, look, cutting of is a great project of his of their, the foreigners full for the groundwork for what you guys did, like yeah I'm not throwing shade. None of them. I'm with you. But that, that the stat distinction between Donny pot as breach detection, on honeypot as a research signal into either engines or tactic with a Mike. That's wanted. We're with very, very clear on, when we speak customers that something that you're trying to make Kevin with not to catch to take new styles of tech behavior what to do is tell you what undetected is messing around inside one of your protected demands. And as those protected domains can be they can be the network of, but, like off thinking along that stuff is increasingly that you'll find take the demands. Well, I'd look, look, look, I mean, one of the presentations, I'm currently at the also conference, I'm sitting in a hotel room doing this interview in one of the presentations, that I dipped into today, it was a guy from check marks and he was doing talk about Baggies. I land, Amazon Lambda Mel way. Right. I felt that it'd be pretty interesting. And it was just to get you thinking and you know. Once you start moving to a service world, and it's gonna come before people quite think, right? Like Siamese cloud. Right. Like by the time it's it's in full swing. It's just gonna be everywhere. And this means that, you know, the canary tokens approach, that's still going to be valuable as we move to zero trust world. You know, the network side of it becomes less relevant, and it's more and more about putting canary tokens in the right places. I mean do do agree with it. So I do agree with that. I think there's a style of workload, which is which is also contain a base. And if you if you following the, the recent research, there's a bunch of work on to shell containers hottest scape containers. And even even if you go fully so that stuff's not going away for a while. Right foot like this going to be under abilities in that, like just moving stuff into container doesn't give it the magic security fairy dust. So we've been thinking around, what does the honeypot in a container look like or Honey? Inside of the orchestration management systems, full containers. And so those protected demands for us, that's where we'll be putting lots of time thinking about developing in a new kinds of deceptions for detections in those in those areas. It's really funny, right? 'cause I and I guess we've lost the terminology will entities deception. Right. We call it deception now but it is quite funny, because I when I talked to some like a theoretical, not referring to anyone real. But you run into a theoretical rep from like a deception company, and, you know, these complicated ideas, and I've always really admired that about you, and Haroon being able to push this towards really simple stuff that might actually work. That's that's lot touch. But let's move on. There's another thing you want to talk about here, and I found this interesting idea, which is the idea that you wanna have developers on your security team. And. You know, we're always talking about how development teams need security people. But we don't often hear about how security teams should have developers. Why do you say that we need develop his own security teams, the short on is that of lots of the security products that you use in their default states? They're, they're going to give you Sunday, too, but it actually works better. If you're integrating with other parts of your organization, and that's the generally requires code, just to give you sort of a smaller on, like beget. We get daily on ability scans against our against our infrastructure and. I don't stay completely up today with under -bility scanning check. But the stuff still looks like it was when I was anticipating a decade ago, and it's getting to go. You'll get a vulnerability report, which tells you that the Seva like one web website is a Cisco Iowa's webs of an it's a monkey demon and its net. Give pro safe began fi will like the one the same report. He goes on everyone. Good job team. Yeah. So that's just not a particularly useful incentives case what we want to do is, we don't want it someone tax. You have to go through read those reports every day effectively what we wanted. So we get a report and we get a from the last couple of days in anything actually change. That's the thing that we care about his change rather than a bogus. The bogus entries in it and partly the thinking there is show. We can we can try and find June. The scanning policy. All we can just filter out the things that obviously that, that have been the philosophy days because that stuff is bogus. But look, it's interesting what you're saying, he 'cause I saw a talk at Queensland another ski Queensland security conference, crock, econ recently. And it was going from Google talking about like all of the work that they do internally, and they're like, oh, you know, so we identified this is a problem. So we built this tool, and then we open sourced, it now that science fiction as far as most people in the audience where concerned, right? Because they don't have giant teams of developers can do this stuff. But I guess what you're saying is, you know, it may be for sort of average enterprise, having developed on the security team already might you might be able to justify that just with some of the simple stuff. Right. Just build. Real simple. Tooling. For sure like the Tunin lean is I mean, we've found, so we try and run a sort of quite a inefficiency and without to we've on a dedicated infrastructure addenda concentrates on how security security Tunin as well and Yep. So mothers on. We run ordered beat on a lot on hang on your product developer. Right. So that make sense that you're gonna have developers. Would you recommend the same sort of approach just for like in-house runs at like an average enterprise? So I will catch it in the sense that the average enterprise, but I could seems to make sense to me if I was if I was in an enterprise security team that didn't have the developer a semi with my own skills had find myself writing code. But if we could have a fulltime dead, I think that would be like it seems to make sense. But I everything that you're describing from a development point of view. I mean you're talking about developing ops. Right. You know talking about product development you talking about. Keeping the lots on sort of development. No, it's complete ops development than I think, part of that is the confidence of security, and Dev ops has made that thing a reality. So for the people who following DevOps principles and got sick and you're trying to do that in a secured the main, if you don't of seemed like your miss not audit. So yeah, we've got. You know, we, we fund through our order beats messages. But we don't just try and catch what it beat messages. We full to the stuff we put it into slack weekend interact with those via slack unnatural custom tuning that you have to it, once you build it than it means. One person can monitor slack channel instead of having people stay at as their regular instead of having people. Monitor dash was will log files in the rest of it's amazing. It's amazing how much useful stuff is just getting to slack these days, it's sorta become the default like ops tool, which is not really what I had in mind when they found it slack for, like, we slack, a complete full for a bunch of stuff while Marcos lovey are, thank you so much for joining us on risky, biz to have a chat through all of that, it's always interesting to talk with you. And we really appreciate thinks sponsorship of the show. We love your work, and I believed that before you sign off, you actually have a couple of things that you wanna that you wanna mention while you here. So there's this. The two small things of full customers. One is that we've now got GCP canary, if you run of you can get a Canaries running alongside your, your current whip leads and the other one is we wrote in. So if either those on interesting hit us up. We'll make it have that was Malcolm Slavia Roseanne of thinks canary. Big thanks to him full that it's always a pleasure to chat, Tamara who as it turns out, is a long time listener. I mean, I've done is well, but, like I didn't know he was listening to risky visits like why back so on? So that was cool OB. So yeah, big, thanks, Tamako birth, making his time to, to do that interview for being an OG risky biz listener, and big thanks to canary for its support of the risky business podcast. You can check them out at canary dot tools and that he's eat full this week show. I do hope you've enjoyed it until next week. Patrick right. Thanks.

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Live with Guy Online: David Neeleman and Tristan Walker

How I Built This

20:22 min | 11 months ago

Live with Guy Online: David Neeleman and Tristan Walker

"Hey everyone so as some of you know we just started a new series of conversations on facebook live where each week I'll be talking to founders and entrepreneurs about how they're dealing with the new normal that we're all experiencing right now and in case you missed these conversations live. We're going to be posting excerpt right here every Thursday in your podcast feed and today we've got two guests later you'll hear from tristen walker the founder of Walker and company but first. Let's start with David. Nieman founder of Jetblue Airways. The airline industry has taken a huge hit over these past few weeks. And it's likely air carriers won't be flying at capacity for the foreseeable future now. David is no longer involved with jet blue but he has founded two other airlines since then one is called Zule. And it's one of the biggest air carriers in South America so of course Kobe. Nineteen has had a direct impact on his business but David is confident. People will fly again and that his airline will survive this crisis. You know our business is off ninety five percent. We had nine hundred flights a day before the crisis. We're down to under fifty today. Well revenue. We were doing something close to ten million a day. Now we're doing five percent of that so you know it's it's a big challenge but one of the great things that you know when you build great companies. You have great people. We have about thirteen thousand people that work for all and so we went out to to the group and said hey everybody. We're GONNA need your help here. Who would like to take a few months off without pay and remarkably enough? We had almost ten thousand of our people. Say We love this company? We want to say this company. So we'RE GONNA go out for a few months now which is astounding and it just says everything about about our people and I think that gives me great. Hope that we're going to be back and we'll be back strong because you know these people are really amazing and it makes me more resolved to really save those jobs. Every one of them and make sure that they're all back to work. You know. Sit of possible David. What's your sense of to the domestic airlines situation? I mean we're talking about potentially months many months of very very little air travel Do you think that domestic carriers are going to survive? This Are are major expenses that we have our obviously our crew members are salaried folks That's number one. Number two is fuel. We're not flying so we don't have that expense and number three is obviously the cost of aircraft. We have great business partners. People who have provided plays they know the position. We're in so we're not burning fuel you know. A lot of our salaries have been reduced and those are supplier. Planes for US have said. Hey Don't pay us for six months or good we'll catch up to catch us up later and they know it's GonNa Survive in addition to that moving to the US your question the US you know the aid package that was given to the airlines was fifty billion dollars. That's a lot and it was done for a reason so there were some strings attached to the was given number one. It said you have to. You have to pay your people through the end of September. And you can't lay anybody off. So that's where good portion of that money's GonNa go is GonNa pay salaries for these people. The second thing is they said you need to maintain service to to minimal level to the cities that you had service to and so we have a lot of flights flying around with really fewer. No people on in some cases these airlines were very strong financially before that for the crisis I was talking to one airline executive in. Us and they said we're probably going to be twenty-five percent smaller. If we come back in a few months but at this goes for a year we could be fifty percents more or so you can imagine I mean just one one. Major airline employs a hundred thousand people. And so it's critical that we get this right and we figure out not only how to how to deal with this issue but we figure out how to stay with it as opposed to always being the threat of shutdown. Open up shutdown. That's an expert from my conversation with David Neelam and founder of jetblue Airways and zule airlines. If you WanNa see our whole conversation you can check it out at facebook dot com slash. How I built this so another industry. That's been heavily impacted by the cove. Nineteen crisis is the beauty industry salons barbershops in particular places that require human connection and touch Tristan Walker is the founder of Walker and company. You might have heard his episode on how I built this and they make shaving beauty and body products mainly for people of color and a lot of those products are used in salons all over the country salons that are now closed anyway in twenty eighteen. Tristan's company was acquired by proctor and gamble and today he still the CEO of Walker and company. I spoke with Tristan from his home in Atlanta Georgia. Where he's been leading employees through this unexpected new reality so first and foremost when this started happening. We didn't make sure that our people are taking care of right So we started work from home about four close to five weeks ago Can we saw this coming in one of the jump ahead of it But I had a very quickly realize that we all had very different situations right much like two kids at home. I had to kind of moonlight quote unquote as a pre K. Teacher now right so one of the first things I encourage everybody to do and this is an about modeling the way you know I had the blackout sections in my calendar where I just could not participate in work right My kids needed to complete their schoolwork and I needed to for them the time to do that and I encourage all of my teammates do the same and frankly as a result of it you know the business doing just fine in fact moving think about you online orders folks are still buy from us in fact we're probably three four x Daily sales on line up since the start of this right But the thing that's most important regardless of any of that stuff is that our people are safe in. Well Yeah for sure Tristan for a lot of people watching you know. They're running businesses small businesses. And you know what it was like to have a small business. Because you started your. Yeah right we're ways that you can think of to kind of keep the morale going like with with your team for example. Yeah I mean. It's hard but doable. Right folks their own unique schedule. Thank goodness for things like you know. Slack in text message among other things We have folks sharing kind of what they're washing during the corn. Seen what hobbies. They're learning what drink recipes learning right And we also have other channels of engagement. We see what folks are doing with their children on instagram. And we can engage with them there it so for us. It hasn't really required a daily fixed time of engagement right because we're still working throughout the day and speaking with each other But I think in our our respect for each other. Schedules are respect in transparency. For what's going on But also sharing some of the things that they're learning and good moments. I think is refreshing. How are you able to reassure people who are nervous about? I don't know their job prospects or their economic situation. Like are you guys able to retain everybody and avoid layoffs for now? Yulia? You know. We're fortunate in partnership with proctor and gamble very very fortunate but also recognize that not. Everyone has that luxury even though it feels. Unprecedented is not unprecedented We've been through all types of recessions you know it's a lesson for all of us to learn how can prepare for each situations like this whether it'd be kind of cash preservation ensuring that you'd have kind of tight loyal excited hopeful mission oriented team in the rest is yeah you just gotTa do the work. Right and follow a strategy that matters but the thing that I can say at least hopeful and know that you know this is temporary. It might last a little bit longer than expected but it is temporary. There is light at the end. I believe. Here's a question for Michael Peterson. What advice would you give to somebody starting out in this current climate? Yeah You know? I think we talked about this during the high bill episode live. It's no you're Y right. This is really important. Time to not start a business just to start a business and you know one team. During our conversation guy was really feeling like you're uniquely positioned. Do the thing that you're doing and you know it's not necessarily the financial potential benefit of doing that. It's the the happiness in the joy that you find in times of great success and potential failure right and you persist and it's really critical that you actually know your wise while you're doing it right. It sounds so simple. It sounds almost aloof but I can't tell you how many times folks don't really understand the answer to that question and when you kind of answer it for yourself ask yourself with again. Answer it again and ask it again right. And everything will fall into place if you feel that. You're uniquely positioned. Do the thing that you're doing right. This stuff will pass and you will have acquired a bunch of learnings to be more successful on the other side Tristan. This is a question from Chris Beers how do you think this pandemic is going to Change Your Business? I think it's I try and take a kind of more global world you right. I'm part of proctor and gamble. Right in seventy eighty billion dollar revenue company that serves five billion people around the planet right on. But let me go back to this idea of humanness. The Way we interact with each other right after this. We're GONNA keep shaking each other's hands. Think about the comfort of working from home. You know this idea of four day. Workweek Five Day workweek. Now you can't work can't be more productive. Some people actually might like it you know. What does this mean for? You know our appreciation of each other right. I am craving for human interaction. Right now I really really have right. But it makes you realize the things you took for granted before And we're all going to have to actually expect everything to change. No I know it's crazy to imagine how we are going to interact in formal and informal settings this question from Andres twelve from multi multi coup. How are you continuing with production and deliveries partner? Gamble is the mother ship now. Which in in a Lotta ways has built resiliency right? If you're a startup on your own you might be in big trouble right now. Having for proctor and gamble behind you actually gives you some stability and security. So how are you dealing with producing the product and getting it out to customers? Yes so I mean this idea of stability security been around four hundred eighty years. They've seen this sort of thing right. They started as a smaller company and became something that was not small So the ability to learn around what resilience really means for a company. That's been around for so long as an inspiring one to me so I wanted to kind of make that make that clear as far as production and we are subject to the same issues that most others are. We have one product right now. That's on delay until June is one of our top products right It's actually our T. Blade that connects with our trimmer. We're finding ways to kind of get it to our consumers more quickly but again this goes back to being transparent with your consumers about what's going on. Unfortunately we're in a position where everybody can understand. Yeah but there are lessons to be learned out of this right. You gotTA manage demand better. You GotTa diversify your production right you got to hoard. More cash in the future So you know I think of everything as an opportunity for learning as opposed to the potential issues that you're dealing with the president. Yeah I was talking to Jenny. Britain Bauer Jenny. Splendid ICE cream a couple of weeks ago on the show and she said we're so busy where we're always like rushing around. You know this better than anyone. Running a company That there's very rarely time to stop and innovate and to just think deeply to come up with new ideas. New Product just requires time and like heads base rate like. Are You finding that you actually have some space right now to to do some of that thinking real choice right innovation really happens sitting in a kitchen and hoping for the best the way I think about it requires some physical activity right? I walk around kind of the block around my house multiple times without any phones without any music and things may or may not pop up right you know it took Walker and company thirty years to get the idea to do from from the time that I was born until it happened right But you know that was a result of kind of living life and having things kind of fall into my lap and understanding that there was an opportunity. It's different today. You have to just afford yourself time to be able to look out work. Yeah so much of what your brand is about. Is Cuban connection like people touching their faces and people kind of showing people how to use your products and I mean to some of that change does does that human touch and human connection change. I hope not. I'm still going to be going my barber right getting my haircut because I sure they'll need it but I think those norms have thought of on both sides right and you know there's a principle client relationship right That my Barbara has with me as I have. A principal inclined relationship with our consumers. We need to be thoughtful about how package things right and you know she might need. My Barbara might need to be thoughtful about the sanitizing stuff right all that jazz but we just need to think about the second dairy tertiary impacts of how we interact with our clients which is good for everybody anyway. So I'm hopeful that it does change for the better but assures that will change This question from Vincent Braithwaite out of all the books that you've read one which one influenced the way you do business and which one influenced your personal life interesting. It's only one business book that really helped me think about how to be a better just CEO Today and it's high output management my anti-growth. He's very good at distilling y you need quantitative and qualitative metrics in the assessment of your people or output etcetera. I think personally you know one of the best books that I read was Race against the machine. And you have this one percent ninety nine percent issue going on and the idea. Is that folks at the top or leveraging technology and ways to make the hell of a lot more productive right while folks in the ninety nine percent are not so how can actually help to close that gap to ensure that we're all participating in this new innovation economy and the reason you know one would think that that's like impactful as a business leader but it really does change the way. I think about everything right. the types of businesses. I WanNa create into whom the respect of diversity around the world right and its impacts on consumerism. Among other things it is fundamentally changed the way my world view is now it's it's It has impacted other things that and I'm more choice fooling purposeful in the things that I do recognizing this very important issue which I think is one of the most important in the world right now. Yeah for sure This is a question from a Taraji. Mosey What about productivity tips? I mean obviously we're all balancing different. You know different situations. You've got kids at home. And you've got to look after them and run a business and stay productive. I have to say the IFP and a lot more productive lately every moment of the day's work and being with my family it's kind of intertwined but like for you. How are you able to kind of stay productive? You remember when I was in high school. There's exercise that was given to us. And you know the exercise was very simple. It had a sheet. It had every hour of the day from midnight to midnight. And then you just block out what you're doing during those times right so eight hours of time sleep. Let's say four hours. Five hours of that time was class Another let's say three hours of that time studying right. There's still leftover something like six seven hours of the day that can actually be used productively and you realize how much time is wasted doing things that you don't necessarily need to do you know about this time. I have my son's at home. I have to do their continuous learning that sort of thing but also had to realize for myself. I am not a trained pre K. Teacher I do and we make best efforts my wife and I to do as well as we can. But during the Times those six seven hours of free time that you don't really recognize it's taking care of yourself right forget about productivity and work because that's already accounted for in those hours. We had talked about. Say Time for yourself. What is the hobby? I read a lot and I make time for myself right When I mentioned a little earlier how we you know you'd have to model the way and block out time so the other team members can actually see that. I think that applies across the board whether that be at work family friends etcetera. But if you just do that very simple exercise you'll surprised by how much time you have to do the things that you didn't have the time to really really quickly before we wrap up. Tristan in five years from now when you look back on this time. What is the thing that you that you do today? The change you make. That makes your business more resilient in five years from now. I don't think that there's a change in so much as my reflecting back on the fact that I was consistent and talk a lot about values as you know. And we've been through a lot you know layoffs in the past right down rounds up around all that stuff. Now we're going through this kind of cove in nineteen crisis and it's important that our people know that I am consistent in my judgment right consistent in my courage consistent in my loyalty to our people and we're doing things and make everybody else realize that that consistency is there because they'll be another one of these in the future whether it's going in one thousand nine or something else right and you've got to really make decisions and clearly and I'm most proud when I recognize that I did things that are in line with my values and I was consistent throughout and that's really the most important message that I would give to anybody but I would be most proud in five years if I reflect back on it and not only. I felt that I was consisted. But the people who supported me through this know that I was being so in so much as their willingness to continue to be led Into the future I love it tristen so great to see you. Thank you so much for doing this Tristan Walker. Thank you thank you. That's an excerpt from my conversation with Tristen Walker founder of Walker and company to see the full conversation just go to facebook dot com slash. How I built this. And we're going to be putting these online conversations in your feet every Thursday and hosting the actual conversations. Every week on facebook live next week we're going to be having live conversations every single day with chefs and restaurant owners. Who can talk about how the food industry is handling this crisis? We'RE GONNA BE TALKING TO ACCLAIMED CHEF. Daniel whom eleven Madison Park Christina Tozi of Milk Bar semi nasra author of salt fat acid heat. Alice Waters Jose Undress and kyle content of single thread so join us live every single day next week at twelve noon eastern at facebook dot com slash. How I built. This will have a different conversation every single day. So bring your questions and you don't need a facebook account to watch if you WANNA find out more about our live conversations or other virtual. Npr events go to NPR presents. Dot Org thank you for listening. Stay safe and we'll see you. Next week I'm rise and you've been listening to how I built this.

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Understanding Muscle Intelligence

Precisione: The Healthcast

42:26 min | 11 months ago

Understanding Muscle Intelligence

"Welcome to precision. The health cast where you will learn how to live your best and healthiest life by precisely understanding how your body works what it is made up of can how to optimize your health based on that information. I'm your host Dr Marvin saying founder of precision clinic where we take a highly individualized approach to health wellness and longevity by helping amazing people like yourself understand more about their genes at genetics microbiome. That's toxic exposures levels of inflammation and much much more for the purpose of creating a highly specific nutrition and lifestyle planned. That is flexible and sustainable. I hope you enjoy this week's episode as much as I enjoyed recording it I everyone. Welcome to my podcast. We are dedicated to delivering the best and most accurate information regarding precision healthcare from the brightest people in the world. Today we have a special guest on the show and he's actually probably the strongest person I know literally I. I just got to know him recently. When I did an online program put together. He's an amazing guy and I can't wait for you to hear what he has to say the day we have been Then because ski is a retired Canadian. Ifp be pro. Mr Olympia competitor. Founder of the muscle intelligence brand and host of the muscle intelligence podcast. Ben Started Weight Training as a high school athlete and was hooked by the end of Highschool. Ben was squatting over four hundred pounds wraps and had signed on with Scott. Able Canada's top bodybuilding coach. Ben Explored his love for science in the Human Body in college at the University of Western Ontario or he earned an honours degree in kinesiology. I show was the two thousand nine Tampa pro where he placed third and qualified to compete in Mr Olympia which he turned down. I- lights from Ben's career include placing second at the Arnold classic. The second largest bodybuilding show in the world twice competing in Mr Olimpion placing first in the two thousand sixteen Vancouver pro since leaving competitive bodybuilding. Ben has focused on spending time with his wife and three kids as well as the muscle. Intelligence brand then welcome to the show talk tomorrow and thank you for having me and I think I might have to. Have you write my intros more often for good? I actually forgot about. That was a well researched. Well I really appreciate the time you're GONNA take us this morning Let's jump right into it. Tell us a little bit about yourself and how you came about doing what you do. Sure so. I think I kind of stumbled upon bodybuilding by accident in. Maybe something I feel like a needed time IOS as a troubled teenager who grew up to a family of obese alcoholics effectively I didn't have any mentors that didn't have any creates a relationships in my youth and muscle-building in fitness was Mike Escape. It was how I challenge myself was how I grew in overcame. What I would define as extreme laziness from childhood and it allowed me to create identity pursue professional bodybuilding or amateur and then professional bodybuilding for fifteen years and I got to the top of the mountain the proverbial mountain. I realized. It's come a long way. Developed a lot of amazing characteristics of discipline but it also wasn't the thing that was going to fill me forever. It wasn't the thing that was going to fulfill me as a person to make me happy. Truly happy like a developed character disciplined. But it didn't make me fulfill that didn't make me full of joy and I realized my greatest gift to the world perhaps is using this platform that I've created for myself to impact a greater number of people. With all this knowledge and wisdom of accumulated through theory and practice rights and have this unique opportunity to have accumulated seeking amount of theoretical knowledge but in twenty years in the trenches working harder than most people know liver understand. You learn what a lot of things work. Things don't work Break you get the test low theories and put them into action and learned a lot and I really love being able to impact people in a way that changes of life ultimately so my my mission now is shifted into in power and people with the knowledge and skill sets to build their body and cradle. Life they love ultimately. I think everyone has the ability you know. I'm just here to offer guidance and support and you know my true passion now is not only body but it's also the integration of body and mind letting people know these things are extremely integrated can't be separated and as you know that so well they're talking to each other and so if we can we can use the body as vehicle to change the mind. That sounds like a really interesting opportunity. Which is what. I'm really exploring you kind of the neuroscience of exercise and how these two things interface and how we can use any work already whether it be knows Zimba Cross feeder weight training to ultimately create a mind that supports us in this journey in this adventure and I want to be happy on the field I want to be creates on the be joyful and loving and they can create those things and workout and people don't usually associate that people will often associate workouts with. I have to do this. And what was your grits opportunity to become the best version of yourself now. What if it was An opportunity to learn discipline and character and create joy and happiness and accomplishment and knows all things in society now that are challenging right typically. Our life is meant to be easy. What if we could intelligently strategically progressively challenge ourselves every day in a way that allowed us to feel accomplished fulfilled every single day or that? You're a character self confidence in our and our belief in our ability to get a result in anything I was telling me construct a shift our whole paradigm life and obviously our neuro physiology and our biochemistry and our body of our body function if amazing brain function whips meaning body functional. Feel great all the time. We don't have depressed days angry days and obviously that's panacea. That's the scenario but think letting people know that all of that is possible in the things you already doing. It's not saying you need to introduce hours and hours of cardio and hours and hours of weight training so it's like how do we take what we have now and become more mindful become more present in workout so when we explain how a train is like a mindful approach to muscle building? I want you to go in the gym and use it as meditative experience in people's like don't go to the gym just turn on the music It's and get after waiting to be present. I want you to be focused on what she'd have Contract when she challenged muscle rather than just lifting weights that kind of has become the entire Paradigm with my business teaching people to become more present and more mindful and ultimately objectively intentionally challenger Muscle challenger Buddy and challenge your mind rather than just going in there and disconnecting which in our societies is maybe obsessed or addicted to disconnecting from their thoughts and disconnecting from their mind body. Some teaching people to reconnect with their mind reconnect their body. And some people say can't sit down to meditate okay. Well what can you do that? You're already doing where we can just make you do a better so often. Just say it's not about how much you even hard you work in the beginning. It's about working smart for your card. That's kind of where carbonaceous teaching people how to get the most out of what they're doing in a respite lush. This is awesome I. I don't know that I've actually heard any athlete. Talk like you're talking right now so you must be very unique in your field. Did this kind of attitude can help you become a successful or did you kinda learn this along the way or after you know you. Kinda retired from professional bodybuilding. So as you said so eloquently in that Intro I two thousand nine hundred first professional show in two thousand seven I had you know maybe the hardest year of my young life at that point and I was really stressed I was really not having good relationships and a hard time and I had an amazing gentleman metlife who turned out to be a mentor. Now best friend who just introduced me. Some concepts and introduced me to breathing introduced me to meditation. Introduced me to just like being coming Asking who am I in what are characteristics at my core and start to explore. Those things started introduce them into exercise because I noticed a benefit where they hated the idea of people being able to influence me. So if someone says something to me and it influences me. Negative way like the anger that said Hated the stormy crazy and it was happening Million people do this instead. Listen is that who you are. Two Chorus did not not waiting will affect you like that. And so he kind of made me take control of my life. I love me up. Tj control of my life and at that point you know before I had turned professional I started to realize the opportunities that existed in coming mindful becoming President doing some station and then just becoming self aware and then I realized the opportunity exists for the exercise to become software like everyone in my sports in most sports in our training mindless they're going in and just working heart. I think working hard as important. But that's the metaphor often uses you. Don't set the goal to read a book a week so that you can tell people you read a book week. You set the goals. Read a book a week to actually get the wisdom in the information from the book. I think that's the same thing in training is like I don't just go to the gym to tell people that train. I go there to get results so I don't Wanna read faster and faster and faster without actually getting better understanding in Sydney with exercise. It's not just about working harder faster but learning how to get the benefit get the information get get the challenge the most first and then I can go to speed reading and then I can go to work harder. Fashion accumulating formation but people are missing that foundational piece of like Learn what these letters then how to read a word and then we can put sentence together right and speaking of new language. That's really kind of where I carved. Money Shin's businesses like effectively teaching people how to speak a new language through body on. It's awesome so tell that some of your secrets wet. What makes somebody healthy happy and productive? What how can somebody achieve their goals in in this intelligent mindful way as you know Marvin like any type of mindfulness any type of living in the here now in the present will change your life right? It allows you to exist in the gap. Most people are living in thoughts. Which thoughts always just in the future in the past and that's causing anxiety and stress and just Pretoria a fear ultimately. So how can we learn to live in the presence here and the now and Dr Andrew Superman from central lab says so eloquently? You can always live in two places at once. Most people live in the past and live in the future but objective is to live in the here and the now so anything you can do in your life including just sitting conversation with you. I can be present inside my body and I can maybe focus on my muscle tone and something breath and I can be focused outside of my body. And I'm focusing on your voice and focusing on hearing you experiencing what you're saying that's me being here now whereas I could be thinking about yesterday I think about tomorrow could be thinking about the next appointment but I'm not really conscious of being here now so you can also take anything in your life and train yourself over time to become present in that so I just take workouts because my demographic is already exercising and they may not be doing weight training. Yoga do yoga numerous times week and argue VESCO activity instead of disconnecting from your mind disconnected from your body and listening to music or or just like you know getting angry but what you have to do kickoff perspective. We get to do this. And how can I use this time to ultimately create migrants life? So that's really how I'm doing. This is teaching people to become present so an example being in your workout. You know I'm doing cardio. It's this this concept get to now going to become president so for doing an exercise like rather than just doing it thinking about what's actually happening so like if I'm trying to challenge a particular muscle it's Amtrak challenge my biceps. Well Senate just thinking about weight which subsea outside of my body. I'm going to create an internal focus. I'm going to think of what's happening inside of my body. So inside of my body can't by set. This BICEP has two ends and went impulse coaster the other end. And if I can envision that my body I'm just want to feel that I wanNA feel at. The BICEP is the only thing creating tension the biceps generating movement the biceps creating tension. Biceps maintaining tension. And you know I do a few reps like that. You'll notice it's exponentially more effective than mindlessly just swinging away from played point P percent people go out at results with this or exponential end. I just meditated alternates. It's a form of connecting with the inside of my body and being present here now and this idea of mindfulness. I guess it's Kinda where that comes up and it's not really. The selling feature is just a side benefit. You know the the selling feature say we're GONNA help you build your body and we're GONNA help you. Chelsea and strong side benefit is while you're doing instead of creating a mindless life. You're creating a mindful life and it's important them to realize that the way you do anything that we do everything. So in gem is is a massive opportunity for you every day to become president into to shift and create this hour long opportunity to be mindful that transfers everything life changing a brain. Because you improve your chemistry you're getting dopamine because you're getting expensive accomplishment and improving mild kinds and your blood. Sugar Regulation Irving Mesler Health on short period of time. That you already doing anyways and I think at some awesome opportunity exists and nobody's explored. This is this what A muscle intelligence means when when you talk about that that's exactly what it is. Yeah so a long time. I just focused muscle right for many years. Just like I'm GonNa do what everyone else does because there is nobody else in the world talking about your intelligent approach to anything to do with fish. I like him. I just get on there and work hard. I think there's value in that but we. I explain it to people as your exercise. It exists on a continuum right and each end of the continuum at one end. You have execution on the other hand. You have effort any opportunity. Any moment life you can push up execution or he can increase effort right so we can improve execution. We can prove effort. Both of which are means of progressively. Overloading the muscle. They're gonNA improve the amount or increase the amount of work to the muscle. The amount of tension going through muscle and everyone just focuses on this one lever folks. GotTa work hard man. You've gotTA crush it execution sitting over here. This untapped resource came and you can massively massively massively increasing amount of challenge the amount of work to your muscle and build tremendous amount more muscle infraction time truthfully a fraction like obviously twice muscle in half the time. And that's honestly the truth. Is People come to see people? You can only get Tim House. Mostly eerily this absolutely not true. It's just what people have been doing this point. They just don't drink correctly so a Intelligence says it's like taking this mindful approach to building your greatest body in Libya greatest life as I say you have all the benefits right coming in. The Gym is awesome and getting work in his great but ultimately nobody actually cares about the muscle in reality. Very few people do right. People want with the Muscle. Give you know you can improve? My health is it can improve my life. You can put my blood. Sugar Regulation is going to make my body fat well what if it can do all of those things infraction thought? And we can. I guess you're putting it in a lot better perspective for me. Then what I've been telling impatience of my own but I often do tell people about you know they're actually certain genes that Indicate that you might be able to perform even better if you use a mindful approach to exercise and I generally tell everybody anyways regardless of the gene which majority of people actually have to. You know when you're getting into a hardier workout particularly when you were you know feeling like you're not gonna be able to finish your you're getting fatigued too tired to try to exceed that pain threshold by meditating kind of as you were describing not not necessarily stopping meditating but using breath were again mindful approach to try to get through the exercise routine richer in not not to hurt yourself as a result but to try to push yourself to that extra limit. But the way you're describing it as much more profound than what I usually up. If I have some perspective on the Erlich at some points in my life I've probably pushed my body at least in the gym harder than most people ever will and learning some strategies and tactics is is important so rather than telling people you know the the metaphor I give Marvin Lewis. You're walking toward the proverbial fire if you've never walk near fire before the first time you see the fire like Oh my goodness. That thing is huge and scary. I don't go anywhere near. It's GonNa hurt so people sometimes get fear anxiety around exercise because it hurts. I don't want her to her the next day. It's Burn Law Merrick. WanNa do that. Don't do that. Let's let's stop just when you start to feel anyone should stop and think okay and they start to feel degree of safety. I I can go there. That wasn't so bad like urban. How that feels comfortable K next time when you start to feel that burn. There was just two one up okay. I'm starting to be walking closer and closer to the proverbial fire right and ultimately Minteq time. But eventually they're going to be feel so comfortable existing in that fire because they know they're safe I think unconsciously your brain is came in panic like this is not good for like this this. Burn thing you've always associated something really really bad that this is. This is the conversation with private client is. Hey Won't you to have the courage to go? One Rep closer into that fire right so today. Marvin when you're getting close to that challenge where you really WANNA stop. I say in in your mind I. I do this to have the courage to keep going. I have the courage to eat going. I'm powerful. I have the courage. To keep going and that incantations as those sounds Woo will absolutely get you additional work now. There's another level to it as you brought up Learning to connect with your breath is you're not very very powerful and people hopefully by now start to understand that most people are mindless in the breath. If you can be combined swinger breath while you're doing exercise your performance goes up. She can become minds. Low level of carbon dioxide tolerance performance. Because I won't go into that but that's a huge piece of Improving performance and prevent cardiac benefits and provoked. Psychological benefits of exercise is connecting with the breath in allowing your brain and your body to become triple tolerating higher amounts of carbon dioxide. So what does it mean in simplest terms as they get tired as an exercise Mostert Abuse Carbon Dioxide appreciative? As it goes up? Your body wants to breathe faster so you start to panic mode straits as because you're not comfortable with any amount of carbon dioxide so we wondered actually improve my body's ability to tolerate high much carbon dioxide so now somebody's fit has a higher tolerance too so I can accumulate. All this to my body doesn't get exponentially more work with lower perceived exertion so I can get you know maybe twice the amount of work and not feel like I'm dying. Don't feel like I have to panic. I feel like after Brealey. Hurry doesn't even bought both trend. That's an ideal scenario so now I can do more work not really feel like I'm stressed panic or getting anxiety workout so so fast two layers that exist but show me opportunities that exist within intelligent exercise rather than just going in and trying to work hard and I think that's the biggest mistakes most people make in the Finnish history and I get it right from a young age. You gotta work hard. It's going to succeed. Yes as you know working harder and harder on the wrong things will not get your success in business in in med school. I'm sure if someone's a him. Are you trying to get into med school? Go over here and study art history go here and sunny philosophy really really hard talking about like. That doesn't make sense like no. You need this type chemistry hiding study math physics like these are things you can study okay. Great that's almost a pharmacy in the gut. Okay great what? Don't don't study history and whatever like. Roman history does talking to help you. So we're really hard. I only if it's the right thing done in the right sequence and it's important to kind of set your appropriate expectations. You're not going to be a professional bodybuilder. The first day you walk into the gym it's a it's a process and to appreciate embrace that process and go slowly at it and you know you may be afraid of the proverbial fire but One day you're going to be standing right in the middle of it and not even know that you're they're going to be your best friend you know like during my career. I would intentionally seek that like I got him some into my mind where when I started to feel discomfort I would smile. That's grown. That's where the opportunity for Progress I do with my clients now is like hey in the deepest depths of your hardest set. I want you to smile when you get into the end of the session so now instead of getting all like anxious and fearful creating this positive associations neurochemical positive association that your brain is literally like hey. I know you're growing right now. This is my greatest opportunity to become a better version of myself. I pushed harder than ever had in my life and I've worried myself smiling so good about this rather than feeling dreadful anxious in William letting it down. Not going to celebrate that accomplishment. I'm GONNA smile. Maybe that smile gets more and more rapid no for me. It was like intentionally. It was like looking for the fire cycle. How do we get the more highly go further into that right and then it's like a fire now? I guess we had never experienced before and I give you five minutes more my house. It keeps me in my warm. It could cook my food. Heat my water until back through right so rather than gene fogel exactly rather than being I love it. So this is my greatest opportunity to become better in my mind and veteran my body. I hope everyone's joined the show today. Wanted to take a quick break in talk about Mile Max. As a new year approaches us. We all think and talk about what various fitness goals we want to achieve. There was a study done on my o Max and it showed that eight weeks of supplementation was equivalent to six months of high intensity interval training. Myo Max has also been shown to increase mitochondrial function and ATP production which are other components that plays significant role in athletic performance. Check it out. Let me know what you think. See how it works for you and let's get back to the show one of the other things. I wanted to ask you about which everybody would probably kill me if I didn't ask you is What you eat. How do you use the nutritional components in all this to optimize your health and your fitness? How do you counsel somebody on? You know what foods they should eat to kind of get through it. Everybody's different. Everybody has different issues regarding nutrition. So how do you personalize that diet for somebody to help them become successful? I think the most important thing is that all saves because the bio chemical individuality is massive right in the one thing. I'm not Doug Matic and I wouldn't say like Hey I do Kito car or whatever the hell died exist right now Paleo The only thing I say is is I. Stick to create colts the highest quality. So I would change for me. It's quality before quantity employees quantity matters. But you know it depends on where somebody is and you have to base it on the way I take you late Nutrition and exercise and and your environment stress and sleep and all these things that kind of pulled together as what I call my. Six pillars of a lean healthy muscle body so nutritionist just signal and a signal is only as effective as the system. It's going into so if you eat a chicken Preston and Broccoli or chicken breast and Broccoli. You cannot say the same thing on the outside. It's going to different internal systems so it's ultimately a certain signal that's going to create a different response inside the body. Just like a bicep curl. If I do a bus do it actually creates a different response because of my ability to neurologically connect with models. So it's different than yours so it's a different response even similar depending on you know depending on your microbiome depending on your inflammation your insulin resistance you your gut health hormones. All these things are going to cause different level and your genes are listening to different levels of response so I have to pay attention to what. How does this person respond based on the current Internal Situation Health Information Affection get what foods your best for them. So saying dogmatically someone should be a hero or a carnival or whatever absolutely no sense and anyone as yourself. Anyone who is a experienced in the industry knows it's never one type of diet and not Person and so my suggestion for people is is seek out the highest quality food the most nourishing the least amount of toxins and chemicals. suggests protein I. That's doubles in fats. Second and then carbohydrates on a on an as needed basis meaning earn hydrate. So if you're exercising hard need some carbohydrates if you're stressed. If you really really stressed I believe need some carbohydrates. A carbohydrate is a really great way to modulate cortisone system modulate the immune system so we want to limit carbohydrates. That doesn't mean I'm GonNa go out and you snickers bar that means I'm GonNa go have something. That's sweet potato. Maybe I'll have some some rice or something like that but it's based on my need not on just a foundational piece. That thing is in central carbohydrate. Those things are there to support performance right so if someone is exercising lot and they wanNA prove their ability to exercise in recovering from stress. Carbohydrates can be great and example I give. Is You know when I'm exercising. I'm digging a hole right up multiple Li like. I'm intentionally digging a hole in when I'm done. My work at my objective is to fill that hole back so one of those things. I could feel the whole back. So the digging of the creation of intentional stress so this this whole can be big small. But you know for big really big hole than I need more substrate to go back in the hole in that can be carbohydrate in. That could be meditation breathing that nature like these are the things. That kind of so hopeful. Michael my bucket right. If I'm not training lot we don't really dig a hole you by kind of staying into Homeo- static place right here in the days carbohydrates but what you do need need protein to support growth and gene transcription need festive support? The nervous system in hormone production are foundational things so in vegetables obviously for the micronutrients in microbiome benefits. And so. That's my foundation. Is I start with fat or certain star with protein vegetables a second and then really quickly fats and I keep my fats relatively simple. I mean probably similar to yourself and I maybe speaking to turn but very few things. It's like a lot of olive oil Auto Ltd coconut oil and Osh mental animal. Fats intentionally soften some additional center. That's duck sad or some towel or something like that When my carbohydrates low so I I tend to not combine a lot of carbohydrates and fats sometimes but usually I try to keep this separate so I'm going to high carbohydrate diet relatively low fat but too low but it certainly be less than twenty percent calories and if I'm GONNA high-fat providers relatively low to moderate as well so there isn't a whole lot of overlap there so somebody who's aiming for performance here. Let's put the cards to support your ability to to train hard and I think that's appeared on his fifth century gets wrong most will create their diet. I in a builder working around that I think that's an absolute back paradigm. Is You build you? If you're trying to change your body you build your training first. And the exercise in nutrition goes around that at least at a high level for an average person like maybe it's doesn't matter as much but fred high level performance. Where many of myself from my clients are are trying to achieve. You must build your training. I because that's the object of money to get this to the highest level possible because that's change my body. I think the paradigm of nutrition being the most important thing is is very of extremely important. Don't don't let me underplay. But I think it needs to be there to support your ability to perform both in business in a relationship Senate life and when I give a lecture and talk about some of the pillars of lifestyle medicine. I will always talk about nutrition because you have to talk about diet nutrition at some point but I save it for the last actually just to try to underscore that a lot of these other. Things are just as important if not more important than died itself and we have to try to focus on those as well as a priority. Because I think you're right. We often do it the other way around. We become so obsessed with Diet Nutrition. We forget about everything else Which is also very important perspective on that right so I actually got into some pretty extensive debates with some nutrition idea when you're a hammer of ballistic nail in his nutrition on Jason's the most support thing so here's perspective for many of your listeners. If you're stressed and you're currently using food as coping mechanisms or coping strategy and say man. I'm stressed food making for better or do I want to take those calories away from you. Maybe but then you're asking for something completely different. You're asking for someone to have the willpower to ninety food. So my suggestion is you know. In the beginning we make minimal changes. Maybe we change food sources but we let that person have the nutrients that they're used to but we do. Is they give him coping mechanisms for stress and sleep right. If I can improve your stress in your sleep. Nutrition by definition will change. We know that someone who under sleeps overstressed getting twenty percent minimum more calories. Typically Insulin Resistance Causes hydrate so we can improve. Somebody's sleeping and stress management. Change Your Diet. They're going to change your own or they're not going to have the same amount of cream sugar and high-calorie foods because Their body shifts their internal chemistry shifts as we said this internal system so we can shift the internal system with what alcohol low hanging fruit. Which is like. Hey let's pull this little bit of stress of your life. Let's let's not give you an additional stress but if I put a clerk decimal you get it as I'm giving you more stress. By definition taller deficit is a stress. Your body it's that stress so I wanted to erase just enough. I want to give you those calories. I want you to fill that hole back. But in the meantime I'm GonNa teach you stress management strategies. So it's it's maybe a tape. Now what you go in Beaufort twenty minute walk outside. I want you to do some mindful nasal breathing. I want you to do just like three minutes of meditation every morning. Wake-up start there and get in the door written and then eventually people actually feel better. I I started this with clients all the time. And anyone who comes to me and if I can't scheduler if they want to work with folks here's your first month for SRI. Here's what I want you to do. Breathe Walk Editing. Said if you can do that every day for thirty days come back to I guarantee you life will be different and then we can start addressing some of these high level things right so my my my foundations. Just breathe Walkman. It's eight in reading and walking obvious petition. There's a lot of reasons. Thought very deeply about all those On top of that certainly but when you breathe you walk meditate to push and your performance just goes to the next level because you've kind of tuned into part of your body. You may not have ever paid attention to as much in learning to slow down in the society we attached to your own wants to be a almost to be crushing it. Crushing it right is is like we've got to work really hard. Yea but you know I. It's kind of bodybuilding yogi thinking from which is this moniker. That people thermes. I always take on the mentality of the warrior in the monks right. I WANNA be. I'm training harder when a business when I'm working hard at something I have the warrior mentality like an unlocked in. I'm focused. This laser focused on the target. And I'M GONNA I'm GonNa go and go and go until I reach my target and then when I'm not I'm going after the target I still want to be a warrior when I go home to my beautiful little daughter my son and I don't want to be a worry when I go to my wife and I want to be. I WanNa be a we know what else is among I want to have this ability to act Shubra. High amounts of sympathetic arousal. I WANNA be primal and really be able to access this animalistic ability to work hard and then I want to be able to go. I'd just be literally among could be The state of equanimity. And I want to have this disability not be stressed and not be anxious not bring my stress home with me that I think is the ultimate scenario for people as most people live in this middle ambiguous territory where we have a high. Don't get all that elevated my work. Kasese Kinda poor. Don't recover all that much as cores over them. So kind of stayed in this mid ground. That's unhealthy. All the time is curtis will never goes up and down. I can't really work hard. You can't really can't really turn my brain off. Let's the exact opposite of what we want right. And I think if aren't familiar with heart rate variability that's a really good way to measure that objectively. Assess your heart rate variability very good indicator of. What's happening at this heart level at the level of the automatic system? Can you get up until you get down? So high amount of your ability indicates a big amount of differential between your ability to get elevated heart rate and decreased heart rate. And I think that is maybe one of the most important indicators of health and performance awesome shifting gears a little bit Wanted to ask you to use supplements in your personal routine or be recommend them to some of your clients and what are some of the important things that he should keep in mind That might be useful. When they're trying to optimize their health improved their performance and also keep us relatively simple but smell listeners. Mike you take all that I think it should things that are foundational to human necessity. So starting with obviously Vitamin DS part of my routine and for myself and for my family officials have been part of the routine of super high quality. Fish Oil. What else we can look to college? In every day I take vitamins. Zinc and magnesium so D- fish oils edens zinc magnesium Six six and. Sometimes I'll put it in green supplement and so the Senate said you have alkaline. Your body is one of the things. I don't think food can necessarily be closing but I can certainly provide the necessary. Micronutrients in cofactors minerals are the best way to close your body for listeners Exiting breathing's is learning how to control the amount of oxygen in urban docs tissues so Yeah those are kind of foundational supplements and there's other things I'll take situationally. I have these foundational things that six and a half other things if I need to improve much sleep. All this magnesium three eighths trigger for sleeper know-how Athenian is very good for things are healthy and natural but calmed down the nervous system. Right so taurine is very good for some people if you have a racing mind or if someone has a hard time being focused to Alpha-gpc is my favorite thing to take his coli enghien. This personal right. This is not me making the recommendation. This personal stuff because of genetics plays in Encino. Showed US microbiome as you know and sometimes for Alex sometimes room products but as you know the the scope of availability of products is relatively limited as far as the diversity of cook strains so sometimes a ticket when I feel like needed or if I have a little bit offended if I've done something that may affect my microbiome but usually I try to eat a really diverse. Rian vegetables foods and I think the most important people overlook micro as you know is getting outside getting son different environments so that your body can establish these natural microbiomes if he gets in the air. So I'm out in nature in a river. Nature written some some diverse place in inbreeding. The microbiome that Disney Air. I'm actually no populated my gut relative. Will I mean you can tell me from wrong? That that's always been my I believe is our my understanding is. There's a significant impact to the environment of on your model Andrea which exists in the reseller in micro. Yeah you're definitely right. I mean they even done studies about living in certain environments. Whether you live tours the the ocean or you live in land and your microbiome being different. So you know one of the good ways to diversify. I think he knows exactly what you said is just to kind of put yourself in different environments out. Nature's good not just reminder balance very good for your mind to there's a lot of there's a lot of data on you know this forest bathing or or earth thing you know that we often talk about. It's not just some kind of fruit fruit concept. There's actually good data about decrease inflammation and and things like that so. I often tell people to do that. And if you combine these things together if you go outside in your backyard and you meditate. Then you're kind of hidden to marks at time do that a lot. I get in my backyard. Spend my winters in Tampa Summers in Canada Tampa in the wintertime. It's like the most beautiful weather she goes outside. And your feet in the sometimes very blessed to live near the Bay Tampa Bay Sit there are no meditate and being connected with nature in getting signing your face Dalton shirt off a few closes you can if you're in your own private very helpful once a quarter. I took my kids away for a week and we're living on Sunday two days from now to go to the mountains of Georgia. So it's like this. We set the rules like if around the house shirts. No shoes so like outside touching the ground get sunshine body your face. And just Kinda calming down that whole autonomic nervous system and there's some really interesting data around how much your body and our lives have changed over the last hundred years based on You. GotTa Novakova System so if in nineteen twenty. We breathed six breaths per minute on average or respiration rate was about five or six breasts minute and now hundred years later it's seventeen to nineteen is triple. Wow and young people here that as possible. We'll think of our lifestyle. It's changed with the advent of cars and technology and light. All these things have come a long way. And even the reation the radio frequencies and always you're shifting your own on your system in the lifestyles very different tripled rate of respiration arrested. If someone who's very healthy now can get their heart rate down to six Stay there respiratory demonstrate but most people will be somewhere in the range of seventeen and eighteen. That's effectively killing fast. I guess that's awesome. I really appreciate you bringing this perspective to health and fitness. Because I don't I don't think I've had anybody on the show talk about optimizing health in this manner at such a high level of performance as you have so it really appreciate that. Thanks Barber up. You'd like a beer. Are there any projects you have coming up that We should be on the lookout for so people can keep an eye out on and Tell us what you're up to these days. Anything new coming up. Yeah so you're Kinda by happenstance are always said. I didn't want to do a personal training certification but I have one of the largest gyms Around the world hire me to create course for them. So I've been doing that. And that's fun so I'm doing a all bills old built around my six pillars of lean healthy and muster physique which are kind of briefly mentioned there. And so it's going to be told training attrition OPTIMA stress up to my sleep mindset mastery in your environment so paying attention Six and teaching And how to get an experience or how to optimize customer experience as as a personal trainer. It's not just about getting results about making someone feel better likely some. I'm spending a Lotta time building. That'll eventually be gyms across world an online as well and some also running book so the book on pause for a little bit to finish. The course of coursework book shop might my life story. Is Nick Bodybuilding crews? Some unique I think of love you want to hear. It never seems to be jumping on the trend in reading a book and I think I love that. I have something unique to offer. And the PUCK test podcasts. Big Priority for me. I love it. You get to connect with people like yourself and it's incredible so it's been a great learning opportunity. It's been a great way to to networking nick with people and it's growing organically because of my altruistic nature thing is just like actually actually care sets out there if you WANNA grow business like actually about your customers and give it to influence know the feeling like I will never promote a product. I don't actually use and believe in one hundred percent I'll never could bring a guest on that. I don't believe their messaging upset. Or if I do question because I try not to be dogmatic as a sales on people's perspective but I'll always came in like why. Where's where's the because I don't think all proof is just in theory I think there's science and then there's also a science comes from which is often people putting things into practice and then signs because that's interesting let's test so I don't discount application? I think it's important but also you want answered in some ways so it'd take some bites objective approach to fitness John Body optimization and if somebody wants to work with US specifically To help them get in the right direction. How would they go about? Doing that is their way to work with you in or reach out to your team yet. So right now. I'm not taking on any clients because I'm still working working diligently on this course but a great way to reach out is Is there instagram? checks that gets pretty quickly. Sometimes I get on there myself. That's that's relatively good. We I do some mentorship so do some life in business mentorship. So I take on a lot of executives and CEOS who are doing very well financially but aren't really happy with their health and their mindset in our life. That's kind of my market. Is these people who have been very successful in one area. Kinda like myself body but then you realize how do I help improve? My relationships didn't promote self other premiership with my friends and family and my health and things put on the back burner for many years. I have to go wind all those things that have done. That's kind of where I fit into. The coaching. Space is You know helping people come to get mentioned it to use all them people say you know. Hey I need some help with Mike Obama right up with their their lives or their urine or whatever. I think they're testing object testing network of experts that I connect with like shelf. Who likes him? And I don't know what's going on here in this first. Got Would you mind you know working with them? Refitting Protocol and I'm sorry. This amazing network of of Healthcare Professionals. Who helps me optimize people's thinking of the greatest life? That's awesome. Well I really WanNa thank you so very much for being a guest on the show. I love the discussion. Had A great time talking with you. I'm honored that you're able to make some time at a talk with us today about your viewpoint on things than dam. Sure everybody learned a lot as I did. My Friend is absolute pleasure. And I'm sorry. I went over your time when we talked to walk one. Somebody knows awesome. Thank you I hope you have a great day and thank you to all of our listeners for tuning in today to listen to another exciting episode of precision the health cats. We hope you've enjoyed this episode of precision. The health cast the one and only podcast truly dedicated to helping you understand how to live long and personalize your health. I'm your host Dr Marvin Sink until next time.

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ICYMI: Creating TV shows on an iPhone

Talking Tech

17:02 min | 9 months ago

ICYMI: Creating TV shows on an iPhone

"Talking! Tech is brought to you by nerdwallet. We all love nursing out on stuff. We love right and as a listener of this show, you probably know a thing or two about tech, but when it comes to finances, no one nerds out like nerdwallet for all your money. Questions turned to the nerds at nerdwallet dot com during this pandemic. We're seeing so many TV people recording from home and you're probably wondering. How are they doing this power? They recording on an iphone in reaching. Reaching the broadcasting facility. We've got rich to mural here. He is tech reporter for Channel Five Ktla in Los Angeles, and he does remotes first TV stations all over the country and he's GonNa. Fill us in rich. How you doing I'm doing fantastic. Let me just first say a I think it was like my little personal dream to go live from my home for all of my stand in one place and do five hours of live shots every morning for all these TV. TV stations and I thought. Wow, wouldn't it be more efficient for me to just have a home studio and do it from there? Well now I've been forced to do that, so my little dream has become a reality, but I'll tell you. It's been kind of a nightmare because it's not very easy, and if you've been watching me on TV, folks that have been seeing have seen kind of an evolution of me going live from home. Because KTLA has been fantastic, they said hey. Hey! Just do what you need to go live from home whatever and get the equipment need. Thankfully as a tech person, I have a lot of the equipment that I need to do this, but the bottom line is at this point. You only need a smartphone, which is the IPHONE and some software and a microphone, and so we've used to pieces of software. Ktla one is called zero, and the other is called TV you and both of these things work in the same way. They take a signal from your phone, and they broadcast it back to home base, so it's kind of like using skype, but it's managed by the TV station, so they can manage in the quality is way better than what you would get on an off the shelf product. Does that make sense does? Blitz, let's go. Let's go through the process of doing the morning show it's seven five and they cut to okay. We got rich with his text segment. Now now you're sitting in Los Angeles at home and you've got the IPHONE. It's ready to go a big take to the process. Yes, so when I get up in the morning, It's Kinda like it's. It's it's like lighting up a little studio so in my spare bedroom which it used to be. The kids play room. I cleared it all out which actually has been very bad, because the echo has been the biggest issue with the studio, and the problem is normally, and this is the other issue that I've run into normally when you're setting up a home studio, what? What do you do you figure out what you need what you have and what you don't have, and you order the rest on Amazon it's there the next day. Well, guess what during Kovic Times. You can't just get next day delivery from Amazon so it has been a challenge to set up a home studio because I can't order the products that I need so what? What I have here is a ring. Light that I used to use for live shots when I used to do like a podcast from home like a facebook. Live so I I put that up and the ring light is kind of a big circular light that goes around my phone. My iphone sits in there, and then underneath the IPHONE. I have another tripod with A. An IPAD on it and I actually went to best buy and bought the Tripod Mount for that Jobe Mount, and then for that I've been using that as kind of a screen to watch KTLA, and to also use as a teleprompter, and so I did experiment with Tele prompting APP as well. I didn't think it looked good on TV I thought. My eyes were a little shifty. So for me, it's easier to actually just kind of memorize some of my lines and read them off the script when we go to video which you called voiceover. but the microphone has been tricky. I've tried a lot of different microphones. A lot of the reporters at home are using. either. The apple included ear buds, and those worked really well. Otherwise you have to kind of put a microphone into your phone, which is not very easy because professional microphones don't connect to the iphone unless you have a conduit so I've been using a board that I used for my podcast to connect the microphone into the phone, so it's very complicated Jefferson. A what microphone are you connecting theoretically into the phone while so right now I'm using Oh my gosh. I have to look at my my headphones. Hang on. He's our audio Technica and so this is an audio technica. It looks like one of the microphones that a sports caster would use. It has the microphone that sticks out, but also the nice big headphones so with that I can hear what's called IFP. So the other tricky part of this whole situation is that it's not like a video call where. You have to have what's the return from TV in my ear? So I have to be able to hear what the anchors are saying to me in my ear and I mean it gets really complicated. That's usually what we call IFP we have this little cable that runs to a box that we listen to the programming of the station on, and when you're there live. Obviously you can hear the anchor talking to you, but when you're out in the field, you have to connect to be box, and that's also another challenge, but these programs like I mentioned the zero in the TV you, they allow you to pipe in the programming your ISP. Getting a little in the weeds year for the consumer audience, okay, do do you pick up those programs in the APP store, or are they? Do you get some other way we'll see? These programs are something that the TV stations pay a lot of money for because they come associated with receiver so when I actually am broadcasting. I'm broadcasting to a specialized receiver. We have act KTLA, so if you're using something off the shelf like a zoom or Skype, many times and And, if you're at a small TV station, they might use these technologies. They might just be mirroring your your end of the call onto the air, and that doesn't look very good for many reasons. Because you might have delay, you might have the menu bar of the computer in there. It's not very clean, so what I'm doing is I'm actually broadcasting to a receiver that they then can put on the air like anything else, so this was amazing to me Jefferson. I went live for all of the TV. Stations do nationwide from my home here in Los Angeles in the spare bedroom, and that is something that I never thought I would be able to do, and I get it. People are very are very understanding of the situation right now, so when it comes to hair and makeup and the way you look in the. The way you sound people are very forgiving right now, and that has been Kinda Fun because it reminds me of being back in high school or college where you'd imagine you're broadcasting from your home room or in high school. You know when I play like I had my own little show for my bedroom. I mean it's basically that except professional now it's really funny. You've also saved the commute time. I've saved the commute time. Although I go to work pretty early in the morning, so I don't really have a very big commute time, but to me. The most fun of this is really the fact that we're able to do this and as a tech person personally I think it's a lot of fun to see. How can I get my studio to look and sound good, I wish I had access to more stuff because of the whole Amazon delivery thing I don't but again It's still really fun to see what you have around the house, and how you can solve problems with the products that you already have lying around now. Why use an iphone in not a good? Good camera the because you have good cameras to, but you've chosen the iphone is. Is there something about the iphone that makes it work with live? TV I thought about that and I think the iphone is sort of all in one, and that's what I like about it. We can install these programs on there, and it's literally you turn the phone towards yourself. If you WANNA, see yourself on the screen, you can frame up your shot. You can plug in a microphone it's it's basically an all in one deal, and that's what I like about it now. If I was GonNa, do something more permanent I would probably look into a more permanent camera or a fixed camera or Of DSL ours, but the reality is you don't really need that. It looks pretty good coming off the IPHONE. It's simple. It's easy, and the beauty of it is that I am locked down here in my studio, but the the miracle of reporting nowadays is that you can go live from anywhere in the world with your iphone. APPS and that is something that is just so amazing to me as someone who's been doing this for fifteen plus years. It's I've seen the progression. And when I started out, that kind of stuff was just not possible. You need a giant rig. You need a giant satellite. You need a microwave transmission, and now the fact that you can rival what is contained in one of those trucks you see going down the street with your local news crew on it on the side. The fact that you can rival that with an iphone to me is pretty amazing, also pretty fun. and Are you. You're using selfie camera. They the one that's not the where the resolution is not as great as the the camera. I've gotten some comments on that on twitter, but the problem is when you're a one man band, and you are lining up your shot. It is really tricky to turn your camera around. Run around to the back of the camera. See what your shot looks like runback around. SIT DOWN! You can't really tell what you look like on the fly. If you're using the opposite camera, you know the the better camera on the backside, so I have chosen to give. Give up a little quality and make it easier for me on myself to just Kinda see additionally it using the back camera. I would not be able to see if broadcasting a lot of times or sometimes the signal will drop out and next thing you know you're not connected anymore, and you won't be able to tell that that's happening. If you weren't looking yourself on the screen, so there are some downsides using that camera, but it works out for me. So if I if I understand correctly, you've got the IPHONE. And that is your broadcasting camera and right underneath is an IPAD showing you a live shot of Ktla, so you know that it's time for you to jump in. Yeah, and also that also that's just more of a monitor because the time to jump in is really done through what i. what I mentioned earlier. which is the IFP so the eye of be? With broadcasters, always the delay. So what happens is i. hear the anchors. They tossing to me and they say hey. Rich tomorrow is at home with his tech report and I. Hear that in my ear long before you see that on TV. It on TV. I've already. I'm pretty much done a minute before. You see it on TV. Maybe not that long, but it just depends on your setup, but again it's because I am broadcasting before it gets through all the transmitters forecasts through the Internet there might be I think on Ktla with a slight delay. Just in case someone says something. They shouldn't have to pop out of it. You, know like the old sensor thing, but again I hear it in my ear in real time, and that's my cue to go I start talking and it goes on the air and to your homes across America. which again to me is just you have to understand Jefferson? We're both nerds and to me as a nerd sitting here in my home with all this equipment kinda patched together. It's really interesting the fact that here I am rival. Ring rival ring. I can rival what we can do with our big equipment from the company from the TV station from the engineers. It doesn't look as good, but it's there. And I assumed that somebody in studio is adding payroll over over your tracks well, that's the other thing that's kind of interesting is that we have my photographers working from home? He's editing from home. Then I have my producer who's working from her home and she's editing the video for the pieces and putting in the script, so we are all working from three different locations, and then you have Ktla a fourth location that is bringing everything together. I mean it's really something that has never truly been done in the history of news where yes, reporters have been out in the field forever, but they've been out in the field with specialized equipment that connects them to the station to have someone editing your story in one place your script and Run rundown as they call in another place me broadcasting from another place and Ktla, collecting all those things in another place. You're talking four separate things working together. That is that is not really been done before, and we're figuring this out as we go along as well. Now. Have you watched any of the late night? Shows? I believe Conan is doing it on an iphone and seth. Meyers doing IPAD. Have you seen those? I have not seen anything that I haven't seen online in little clips and so I know that other people are broadcasting I've watched a lot of it on instagram. I've I've been following. The HASHTAG TV news life, a lot of reporters are tweeting their setups and posting about their setups I am fascinated by the setups that I'm seeing I saw Al Roker. He was broadcasting from his backyard so again. This is fascinating to me to see how people are doing this. The number one trend I see is that most people are using an iphone which. To me I've thought about this because you know me. I love iphone. I love Android, but there are inherent benefits into using the iphone, and mainly that's how the software works really nicely with the hardware and the accessories, and that's the advantage I've seen with going that way. The I just wish? We didn't have to put a Dunkel in for a microphone. That that's. The one one drawback hundred percent agree I actually really like this little gadget. I have from Belkin called the rockstar which plugs into the. Lightning poor actually separates out so you still have a way to plug in your phone to power and gives you a real headphone. Jack at the same time because there's not many microphones that I know of that plug into a lightning poor, I'm sure there are but most microphones are xl are which is the big professional way can. The road, the road wireless go with Gongol will go into their Dunkel. Got Dangled Dangle which I again. This comes back to the whole Amazon. Thing this stuff. It takes a bunch of accessories to happen. Yes, at the end of the day you can plug in the headphones you get from your iphone and you can go life, but if you want to make things, look a little bit better, and you want to expand upon it, you do need some accessories, and you need some adapters, and yes, in this case I wish we still had the headphone Jack on the Iphone, but then again on most of the androids. They are gone as well so it. It's the same thing. Well. It sounds like a great new chapter for the update of the book. Yeah. We'll see I think I think that. To me, I would rather have the update to the office I. Think that this is going to convince I might I might be able to convince Ktla to let me do this maybe one day a week from home now because I've proven that I can do it for all the stations, and when you're just sitting in one place for five hours doing something over and over I mean I. I don't necessarily need to be there to do that. So I think if I can get the audio figured out, and the video figured out. Maybe after this whole covert thing, blows over which I hope it does soon and people are safe again outside of the home I might be able to convince them to maybe put a semi-permanent setup. That would look great every day of the week. All right well good luck rich. Let's do your plugs most importantly. Just find me on social media I am at Richon. I would love nothing more than for you to follow me there and listened to my podcast up the same name rich on. Already I'm Jefferson. Graham you can find me on twitter at Jefferson Grammy than listening to talking tech. Please subscribe to show wherever you listen to online audio and subscribe. You're rich on tech as well. I'll be back tomorrow with another quick hit from the world attack. This episode is brought to you by nerdwallet. nerdwallet has helpful tools and tips for all things personal finance, because when it comes to finances, no-one nerds out like nerdwallet. Are you wondering if now's a good time to start investing, or if you should refinance your house? When you those kinds of questions, trust the experts at Nerdwallet, they're real nerds who make even the most complicated money questions simple to understand plus their calculators and side by side comparisons will help you make sense of your options for all your money. Questions turned to the nerds at. 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ICYMI: Creating TV shows on an iPhone

Talking Tech

17:26 min | 7 months ago

ICYMI: Creating TV shows on an iPhone

"Talking Tech is brought to you by Madison. Reed Mr the future of men's hair-color Madison. Reed Mr is natural, looking gray, blending color for your hair and your beard, and it's delivered right to your door. Listen up after the show to find out how you can save on your first box. During this pandemic, we're seeing so many TV people recording from home and you're probably wondering how doing this. How are they recording on an iphone in reaching the broadcasting? Facility, we've got rich to mirrow here. He is tech reporter for Channel Five. Ktla in Los Angeles and he remotes first TV stations all over the country and he's. GonNa fill us in rich. How you doing I'm doing fantastic. Let me just first say a I think it was like my little personal dream to go live from my home for all of my stand in one place, and do five hours of live shots every morning for all these TV stations, and I thought. Wow, wouldn't it be more efficient for me to just have a home studio and do it from there? Well now I've been forced to do that, so my little dream has become. Become a reality, but I'll tell you it's been kind of a nightmare because it's not very easy, and if you've been watching me on TV folks that have been seeing, it have seen kind of an evolution of me going live from home. Because KTLA's been fantastic, they said hey do what you need to go live from home. Whatever and get the equipment you need thankfully as tech person. I have a lot of the equipment that I need to do this, but the bottom line is at this point. You only need a smartphone, which is the IPHONE and some software and a microphone, and so we've used to piece of software at KTLA. One is called. And the other is call TV. You and both of these things work in the same way. They take a signal from your phone, and they broadcast it back to home base, so it's kind of like using skype, but it's managed by the TV station, so they can manage in the quality way better than what you would get on an off the shelf product. Does that make sense does? The, let's let's go through. Let's go through the process, so you're doing the morning show it's seven. Oh five and they cut to. They say okay. We got rich with his tech segment. Now now you're sitting in Los Angeles at home and you've got the IPHONE. It's ready to go. Take me through the process. Yes, so when I get up in the morning, it's. It's Kinda like it's. It's like lighting up a little studio so in my spare bedroom which I've used to be the kids playroom I cleared it all out, which actually has been very bad, because the echo has been the biggest issue with the studio, and the problem is normally, and this is the other issue that I've run into normally when you're setting up a home. Home Studio. What do you do you figure out what you need what you have and what you have and you order the rest on Amazon. It's there the next day. Well. Guess what during Kovic Times? You can't just get next day delivery from Amazon so it has been a challenge to set up a home studio because I can't order the products that I need so. So, what I have here is a ring. Light that I used to use for live shots when I used to do like a podcast from home like facebook. Live so I i. Put that up and the ring. Light is kind of a big circular light that goes around my phone. My iphone sits in there and then underneath the iphone i. have another Tripod with A. An ipad on it and actually went to best buy and bought the Tripod Mount for that jobe amount, and then for that I've been using that as kind of a to watch KTLA and to also use as a teleprompter and so I. Did experiment with the Tele prompting APP as well? I didn't think it looked good on TV. I thought my eyes were a little shifty. So for me. It's easier to actually just kind of memorize some of my lines and read them off the script when we go to video which you called voiceover. But the microphone has been tricky. I've tried a lot of different microphones. A lot of the reporters at home are using. either. The apple included ear buds, and those work, really well Otherwise you have to kind of put a microphone into your phone, which is not very easy because professional microphones don't connect to the iphone unless you have a conduit, so I've been using a board I used for my podcast to connect the microphone into the phone, so it's gone very complicated Jefferson. A? What microphone you connecting theoretically into the phone? While so right now I'm using Oh my gosh. I have to look at my my headphones. Hang on. Audio Technica, and so this is an audio technica. It looks like one of the microphones that sports caster would use. It has the microphone that sticks out, but also the nice big headphones so with that I can hear what's called IFP so the other tricky part of this whole situation is that it's not like a video call where you can not worried you have. What's the return from? TV In my ear, so I have to be able to hear what the anchors are saying to me in my ear and. It gets really complicated. That's usually what we call be. We have this little cable that runs to a box that we listen to the programming of the station on, and when you're there live. Obviously you can hear the anchor talking to you, but when you're out in the field, you have to connect to an I've be box, and that's also another challenge, but these programs like I mentioned the. And the TV you, they allow you to pipe in the programming. Cheer IFP. I'm getting a little in the weeds year for the consumer audience. It's okay, do you? Do you pick up those programs in the APP store or are they Do you get up some other way we'll see? These programs are something that the TV stations pay a lot of money for it because they come associated with receiver so when I actually am broadcasting I'm broadcasting. Allied receiver we have at Ktla so of using something off the shelf like zoom or skype many times, and if you're a smaller TV station, they might use these technologies. They might just be mirroring your your end of the call onto the air, and that doesn't look very good for many reasons because you might have to lay, you might have the menu bar of the computer in there. It's not very clean, so what I'm doing is I'm actually broadcasting to a receiver that day then can put on the air like anything out, so this was amazing to me Jefferson. I went live for all of the TV stations that I do nationwide from my home here in Los Angeles in the spare bedroom, and that is something that I never thought I would be able to do and get it. People are very are very understanding of the situation right now. So when it comes to hair and makeup and the way you look in the way you sound, people are very forgiving right now, and that has been Kinda. Fun because it reminds me of being back in high school or college. You imagine you're broadcasting from your home room or in high school. You know when I play like I had my own little show for my bedroom I mean it's basically that. Professional now it's really funny. You've also saved the commute time. I've saved the commute time although I go to work pretty early in the morning so I don't really have a very big commute time, but to me. The most fun of this is really the fact that we're able to do this and as a tech person personally I think it's a lot of fun to see. How can I get my studio to look and sound good I wish I had access to more stuff because of the whole Amazon delivery. Thing I don't. Don't but again It's still really fun to see what you have around the house, and how you can solve problems with the products that you already have laying around now. Why use an iphone in not a good camera? Yup, good cameras to, but you've chosen the iphone is. Is there something about the iphone that makes it work with live TV? I thought about that and I think the iphone is sort of all in one, and that's what I like about. About it, we can install these programs on there, and it's literally you turn the phone towards yourself. If you WANNA see yourself on the screen, you can frame up your shot. You can plug in a microphone it's. It's basically an all in one deal, and that's what I like about it now. If I was going to do something more permanent, I would probably look into a more permanent camera or a fixed camera, or you know one of those DSL ours but the. The reality is you don't really need that. It looks pretty good coming off the IPHONE. It's simple. It's easy, and the beauty of it is that I am lockdown here in my studio, but the miracle of reporting nowadays is that you can go live from anywhere in the world with your iphone and one of these APPs, and that is something that is just so amazing to me as someone who's been doing this for fifteen plus years. It's I've seen the progression. And when I first started out, that kind of stuff was just not possible. You need a giant rig. You needed a giant satellite. You need a microwave transmission, and now the fact that you can rival what is contained in one of those trucks you see going down the street with your local news crew on it on the side. The fact that you can rival that with an iphone to me is pretty amazing. It's also pretty fun. And you're using this selfie camera. They the one that's not the where the resolution is not as great as the the other camera. Yes, I've gotten some. Comments on that on twitter, but the problem is when you're a one man band, and you are lining up your shot. It is really tricky to turn your camera around. Run around to the back of the camera. See what your shot looks like runback around down. You can't really tell what you look like on the fly using the opposite camera. You know the the better camera on the back side so I have chosen to give up a little quality. Quality and make it easier for me on myself to just Kinda see additionally. If you're using the back camera, I would not be able to see if I'm broadcasting a lot of times or sometimes, the signal will drop out and next thing you know you're not connected anymore, and you won't be able to tell that that's happening. If you weren't looking yourself on the screen, so there are some downsides using that camera, but it works out for me. So if I if I understand correctly, you've got the IPHONE. And that is your broadcasting. camera in right underneath is an IPAD showing you a live shot of Ktla? So you know that it's time for you to jump in. Yeah, and also also, that's just more of a monitor because the time to jump in is really done through what i. what I mentioned earlier. which is the IFP, so the eye of I can know with broadcasters always the delay. So what happens is I hear the anchors? Would would they say tossing to me? And they say hey. Rich to mirrow is at home with his tech report, and I hear that in my ear long before you see that on TV, so if you're just watching it on TV. I've already I'm pretty much done a minute before. You see it on TV. Maybe not that long, but it just depends on your setup, but again it's because I am broadcasting before it gets through all the transmitters before guests through the Internet, there might be. I think on Ktla with a slight delay. Just in case someone says something they shouldn't. We have to pop out of it. The old sensor thing, but again I hear it in my ear in real time, and that's my cue to go I. Start Talking, and it goes on the air and to your homes across America which again to me is just you have to understand Jefferson. We're both nerds and to me as a nerd sitting here in my home with all this equipment kind of patch together. It's really interesting. The fact that here I am rival rival ring rival ring. I can rival what we can do with our big equipment from the company from the TV station from the engineers. It doesn't look as good, but it's there. And I assume that somebody in the studio is adding B roll over over your tracks well, that's the other thing that's kind of interesting is that we have my photographers working from home? He's editing from home then I. Have My. Producer who's working from her home and she's editing the video for the pieces and putting in the script, so we are all working from three different locations, and then you have Ktla fourth location that is bringing everything together. I mean it's really something that has never truly been done in the history of news where yes, reporters have been out in the field forever, but they've been out in the field with specialized equipment that connects them to the station to have someone editing your story in one place your script and Rundown as they call it in another place me broadcasting from another place and Ktla, collecting all those things in another place. You're talking four separate things working together. That is not been done before, and we're figuring this out as we go along as well. Now. Have you watched any of the late night? Shows I believe. CONAN is doing it on an iphone and Seth Meyers is doing an IPAD. Have you seen those? I have not seen anything that I haven't seen online in little clips and so I know that other people are broadcasting I've watched a lot of it on Instagram I've I've been following the Hashtag TV news life. A lot of reporters are tweeting their set ups and posting about their setups. I am fascinated by the setups that I'm seeing I saw Al Roker. He was broadcasting from his backyard so again this is. Is Fascinating to me to see how people are doing this. The number one trend I see is that most people are using an iphone which to me I've thought about this 'cause you know me, I love Iphone I love Android, but there are inherent benefits into using the iphone, and mainly that's how the software works really nicely with the hardware and the accessories, and that's the advantage. I've seen with going that way. The I just wish we didn't have to put a donal in for a microphone. That that's. The one one drawback, hundred percent agree I actually really like this little gadget I have from Belkin called the rock star which plugs into the. Lightning poor and it actually separates out so you still have a way to plug in your phone to power, and it gives you a real headphone Jack? At the same time because there's not many microphones that I know of that plug into a lightning poor, there are but most microphones. Are there xl are which is the big professional way? The road, the road wireless go with Gongol. Goal will go into their uncle. Dongola which I again this comes back to the whole Amazon. Thing this stuff. It takes a bunch of accessories to happen I. Mean Yes, at the end of the day you can plug in the headphones that you get from your iphone and you can go live, but if you want to make things, look a little bit better, and you want to expand upon it, you do need some accessories, and you need some adapters, and yes, in this case I wish we still had the headphone Jack on the Iphone, but then again on most of the androids. They are gone as well so it's the same thing. It sounds like a great new chapter for the update of the IPHONE book. Yeah we'll see I. Think I think that to me? I would rather have the update to the office I think that this is going to convince I might. I might be able to convince Ktla to let me do this maybe one day a week from home now because I've proven that I can do it for all the stations, and when you're just sitting in one place for five hours doing something over. Over and over I mean I. don't necessarily need to be there to do that, so I think if I can get the audio figured out, and the video figured now. Maybe after this whole covert thing, blows over which I hope it does soon and people are safe again outside of the home. I might be able to convince them to maybe put a semi-permanent setup. That would look great every day of the week. All right well good luck rich. Let's do your plugs most importantly. Just find me on social media I am at rich on tech, nothing more than for you to follow me there and listen to my podcast of the same name Richon. Already I'm Jefferson Graham. You can find me on twitter at Jefferson Graham. Even listening to talking, please subscribe to the show wherever you listen to online audio and subscribe to reach on tax well. I'll be back tomorrow with another quick hit from the world attack. Guys if you've ever colored your hair at home, you're probably familiar with that flat shoe Polish look and if you're like me that probably discourage you from giving it another shot, but now's the time to try again Madison. 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Episode 14- The Train It Right Life   Life Update  Why HD Muscle?

The Train It Right Life

28:40 min | 6 months ago

Episode 14- The Train It Right Life Life Update Why HD Muscle?

"I didn't want to bodybuilding champion I, one of the best bodybuilder of all times. The down and ask yourself who do you want to be The Watts but who? I'm talking about figuring out. What makes you happy? You have to think outside the box. Believe of all what is the point? I didn't want bodybuilding champion I wanted to be the best bodybuild all times. The down and ask yourself who do you want to be. What who? I'm talking about figuring. Hey guys a longtime in no chats. I want to welcome you back to the train at right life. I, am your host special guest. CEO. Queen. That's what my clients call me of the podcast. My name is Alicia Bell and I am an IFP figure pro online trainer, personal trainer HD, muzzle athlete HD Muscle Athlete. Manager social media manager at men for team HD and pure muscle and fitness I. Don't know dog mom I'm the doer of all things posing coach. Yeah. I'd do it all because I love it and I love helping people love impacting people I love helping people become the best version of. Themselves and quite frankly I don't do well with idle time. So I decided to start a podcast as well as last week I, decided to start a new business venture that is not launched but working on content for because why not the one thing that I seriously can't seem to keep up with Youtube but which I'm trying to get better at and I actually just tried to film this podcast for my youtube so I can put it up to let you my youtube. That I have a podcast however, my camera battery was dead so ls. That's not going up on me too. However, I'm trying to get better I'm trying to get better I got a new youtube camera because my other one broke it's slow progress here guys but it's a one woman show doing the best I. Can I don't have a budget I, don't have a filmer Mike getting paid for any of this simply produce content because I enjoy IT I. Feel like I have a lot to say and I want to change as many lives as possible in a positive way with that said, pumpkin spice season is here because it's September. So it's officially okay for you to have all things Pumpkin I'm wearing my pumpkin spice shirt I. have my Pumpkin Mum Mug, with my pumpkin coffee and my pumpkin sugar free Syrup and I'm ready to go. Welcome to the podcast so like I said. You know it's been. This is the longest that I've gone for the week without posting I've been consistent weekly. To which I am also going to be consistent this week with this podcast. However, this is like the latest in the week I've put one it's Friday usually I get out earlier in the week Wednesday at the latest. But like I said this. It's been a week today when Sammy started having seizures on the Friday night and he. had been having them recently I mean every eight weeks or so which is okay. you know he he it's longer bouts in between the he was having. Previously had seizures for about a year he didn't have them for the first two years of his life. These started rape before the Olympia in a twenty nineteen the week. Of the Olympia actually. So it was something kind of lake out of the blue. Not One hundred percent. Sure what it is, but it to me, it seems like he has. To get further tests like brain scans and things like that, the bills are quite costly. So he we're treating with phenobarbital, which is seizure medication, all the same medication I give humans to, but just in different dosage. It is pretty manageable but. He used to them into clusters in like one sitting, and then he would get them in clusters with like one or two the next day. Off Ones and then this past week was the craziest that it's ever been With clusters hourly daily. I'm sure he had a well over one hundred seizures in the week. Pretty violent volatile. If you are squeamish, you probably won't be able to live through it. I used to cry when it would happen because I mean I love him so much and it's hard to see him suffer and there's nothing I can do. He really doesn't deserve that. But now it's grown into part of our lives. It is what it is, and this is how we handle it and it was just a long week. So I couldn't devote the time to sit down for the podcast between his seizures because I didn't know when they would come on or when they wouldn't and. I didn't want it to disrupt my thought pattern or my podcast or anything like that and. Long Story Short today's the first day that. He has. Gone for a walk. So we took him for a walk and he was good on the walk I just told them around the block. I think it was borderline almost a little bit too much for him. He's pretty like panty and like whatever. But I'm sure he's like really sore and tired you know what I mean. He's been kind of like sleeping in between everything. And this was the first time that he's actually tried to climb the stairs I. Think there was a moment during the seizures in like the epileptic fits that he was blind and his neurological system just was really funky like his legs just weren't moving properly and he you know just going through these like weird moments So but I mean it comes along with it he. Always bounces back It is sad to see but he's a tough little cookie and he's good and he's baby and I'm just happy that he is on the mend today he's currently sort of basing but now he's like lying down I can tell he's definitely tired from the walk, which is okay. his vows have been really loose to because the seizure. So that's been fun It's really hard to keep my house clean to be honest guys. I have two dogs. And I'm busy. So I am not molly made unfortunately but. Do the best I can and is what it is and you know I love my baby. So with that said, this is why was why this podcast is a late? For those of you who are just tuning in sorry for the very, very long intro I do this podcast without an outline for the most part. If I see a topic during our think of a topic during the week, I'll write it down and then I'll speak on him. Honestly. This week I haven't even thought about damn thing like nothing I've been working because we had a restock for Asia, muzzle and the dogs. Pretty much like work work work clients dogs HD muscle like I have not. had. A motivational thought to be. Honest. For me personally, it was a long week like I did feel. I don't know down on myself a little bit. You know I'm just like you. I you know everybody wants to look certain way and the journey to get there is a rocky battle it's frustrating not everything is. Always Linear. So sometimes, it's like hard to see progress but just because you're not seeing progress on the outside doesn't. But Shit Guys Shit. Yeah. That's life I'm not here to complain. I'm not here to wine I'm not here to me. I am here to always push for it and see progress but I'm just saying like it's not always easy. Not always a Rockstar I'm not always you know motivated. But what I am, I, am disciplined I do the work I get the job done I do the things that I need to do despite you body image issues sometimes feeling tired stress in my life you know even though Samuel going through his thing I did miss a workout I didn't miss a meal. Sure, it was like a heck of a lot more stressed but Yeah. It wasn't my best week personally due to all those things. But Yo you'll live. You'll learn continue and I'm just happy to every day have the opportunity to be able to do things that I love share the things that I can over my social and create content and get it out you guys in a positive way whether I'm being. Paid or not honestly as long as I'm doing these things, I'm always going to continually be happy if I wasn't a I've be pro, I would still be in the gym everyday because it's my lifestyle is what I love. It's a lifestyle whether the stages there are not I was talking with my client shout Bellamy 'cause I know you're listening You know I was talking with her yesterday and it was like. You don't have to love the stage to live the lifestyle. There's so many things that you can benefit from being you know in the gym training hard eating an athlete training like an athlete to look like an athlete and the right way, and you don't have to step on a stage to do that, and even though I am a pro, it's a weird year with covert and everything and I'm not stepping on a stage right now. But that doesn't mean that I'm not living lifestyle because I am because I still have goals even though I'm. Not Getting on a stage this year. So you know that's just something to think about guys like don't give up just because it's a rough week a rough day a rough situation. You know stick to your guns and live the lifestyle and be proud of yourself at the end of the day that you collected some perfect days and you didn't we need to do to get to where you WANNA go. So yeah with that said, remember that just because something's not happening on the outside doesn't mean the you're dieting weeks and weeks and weeks plateaus happen. It doesn't mean you have A. frigging go way way. Off. Track. Because you're feeling sorry for yourself, you stick to the plan you hold it out and you'll be happier and healthier and you reap the benefits in the future. Your future self will thank you for staying on plan and sticking to the goal. What happens is that people get stagnant and they stop seeing progress and that's when they fall off. But that's that's of the progress is happening when just when you when you don't see it and all of a sudden you wake up at your leg Shit I'm here I've lost some weight I've done this or done that or whatever the goal is so. Stay? True. To yourself is. And you know just. Don't don't give up on yourself. So it's kind of what I'm saying with that. I asked this week a little. Question and answer a box on my instagram and honestly. Like what do you WanNa hear about me because this podcast is going to be all about me because my podcast which is a fact forgotten is like can talk about anything I want including myself. But I got the weirdest messages I. Don't know about you guys. But like dudes on instagram are on a whole `nother level and I feel like when cove it happened and everyone was self isolating. It got to the next level of frigging creepy and weird like I don't understand I asked what do you want here on the podcast and I've got like people proposing to me like, oh, just just stupid stuff like what's wrong with US society that we think it's okay to just like throw slander women and like say things like that I don't understand all. y'All I don't get it. But. I guess without any real questions, kind of able to talk about anything and everything about me. So. Start with one I'll ask. Myself questions. Haley. What are your competition plants? Why. Thank you for asking him. So glad you're interested. Honestly. I wouldn't count out the end of this year as a possibility but I'm setting myself up for twenty twenty one when open back up and things are different and more predictable Olympia and hopefully that there's a vaccine for covert or we can just figure out better ways to treat this internationally. So people just live their lives so I'm still gonNA continue to train hard eat like an athlete chain like an athlete enjoy life make people Motivated and inspired, and I'm just GonNa continue being me because I would be doing that anyway So maybe the end of the year. Or maybe early, twenty, twenty, one, we shall scene. Thanks for asking a Lisa. Crazy. Okay. Question number two. Halabja what's your Diet like right now? Hey thanks for asking. I. Don't know I keep saying Hey diet currently have training day interesting. So I think training day has more carbs than my rest day. I'm eating a little bit higher fat than I would if I was prepping. I do have more carbs than I'm used to although Dorian says, it's not what types to me I'm your curbs buddy and my cardio is minimal for me everything's relative to the person, right? Like what seems like a lot to somebody can be a little to somebody else and it's all relative to your genetics year predisposition to cardio it or training or whatever. It's everybody's individually specific genetics have a huge factor. Athletic Training AIDS has a huge factor diet, huge factors all around for so many different things, hormonal factors everything is different with everybody, and that's kind of how I coach my clients to. No one person has the same program. Okay. Everybody has something different because their bodies if something's going on with them differently, they have different rules, different ages, different training ages. There's so many factors go into it that it really is. Just. A whirlwind of complexity sometimes, and it's like a puzzle and I really enjoy figuring out the puzzle. That's why I love coaching people from all different levels different goals, different aspirations, different categories, offseason prep transformation. Athletes You name it like I love it because I. Love. Getting to getting them to all that they didn't think was possible and also teaching them the mistakes that I learned today don't make those same mistakes There's nothing more rewarding and I wish that if I knew now what I knew. If I knew back then what I know. Now when I was like a sprinter I'm sure it would have the Olympics I knew things about nutrition recovery training and I want my client to benefit from that I want them to. You know learn from the mistakes I have made. You know I'm no spring chicken although I look Nice Young. I'm not and I want to teach people the proper way to eat diet chains supplements to take for longevity in sport in life and just general happiness. In doing things, the right way can really prevent a downfall later on and I've experienced the downfall for many situations and I just want to help people. Not have to experience what I did. So yeah, I mean I guess I was like. I asked what my diet for whatever. Hd must saw talk about hd muscle issue muzzle HD. Okay. I'm going to sound really sales e rate now but here's the thing. If, you guys have been following me for a while across my social media platforms. You know that I've been with a couple of companies have been a main athlete for farmer freak are ripped FEM featured in magazines. I've been on covers of magazines. I never been one to really promote products and push them. So in my clients plans in past years, I always put the supplements I want them to take and tell them to take the products that they feel comfortable taking Budget. Wise. So you know you do pay for quality and that's you know with close with shoes and was up laments. So I would always say take the best quality supplement that you can afford and I wouldn't recommend even the some supplement companies that I was sponsor by because. I didn't want people to feel like ours being pushy are that I was telling them. They have to take a surge in You know supplement because that's not the case it's like you know there's a lot of different brands out there and everyone has a different budget however with Hd. Muscle. The. Difference. Sorry, just gonNA email from clan. Is attached girl in. Okay. So An interesting muscle. It's different. Okay and I'm not just saying these things because I'm associated with the brand because Dorian is my coach I've worked with no This whole year I'm saying it because these products were created from somebody that I know like entrust who I know put health as a priority, and it's amazing to see that the supplements he suggested for me to have as a coach are the ones that are in his products for the supplements. So he was adjusting all these things before but you just couldn't find them all in one place in one supplement like the multivitamin he had me buying all those ingredients that are in that multivitamin separately. So I would get the best possible quality product but now he's compacted that all into one vitamin. So spending six hundred dollars on supplements, and this is a real life story here I was spending six hundred dollars on supplements and. Just, natural supplements that he's adjusted and very hd has all of those same ingredients with that same quality of all those products that I was buying for probably like six hundred dollars. Canadian plus tax, which is wild, and the product is like one hundred dollars. So like you that's crazy savings and I'm buying not. Bimonthly depending on the supplemental dropping A. Ton of cash on vitamins, and now I don't have to and now my clients don't have to, and you know health is wealth and you shouldn't cop out on quality and there's no corners cut with HD Muslim I know this sounds so sales but from an outsider insider's perspective like if I wasn't part of the brand if I wasn't an athlete or an athlete manager, I would still take the practice because they're just that high quality. High Quality Grade, ingredients natural sweeteners you want to. Put things in your body that are made and come from great quality organic natural whole place verses, synthetic filling bullshit. That's GonNa clog up who knows what with no long term research and just junk you know like a lot of brands tastes great. Right. But they're junk this brand everything tastes great and it's not junkie look at the ingredients and you're like, wow, like really solid ingredients and they're all there for a purpose depending on the product. So I really stand behind ag muscle. I'm happy to be part of the team and so many levels. and honestly, this is a brand that's like no other for what they're doing with the industry and is just beginning we launched during a pandemic and we're successful and it just goes to show the premium high-quality class of the product. So HP muscle I'm not gonNA say anymore because sound super sales but is literally genuine from my heart speaking the truth and it is what it is right guys like it is a great product and that's why I suggested to all my clients even though I've never done that on a plan in the past ever. I want my taking the best possible products they can to get the best possible results. I don't want to rob them of their ability to reach their true potential. So that's why I stand by HD muscle supplements. I have all my clients, take it. If you guys are interested in hd muzzle, you can click the link my bio below on Youtube in instagram or you can go hd muscle dossier, DOT COM dot, Edu dot wherever the hell you are. You can go to HD MUSCLE DOT COM. And type and train it right and you can save ten percent and get you your own HD products. If you're listening to this podcast, do biology muscle products, please screen shot me a thing of your receipts and I will this month give away a couple of products out of my own HD muscle stack. If you guys do use my code to purchase your own. So again, screen shot it, send to me damage to me, email it to me at least at each muscle dot com Alicia train right DOT COM trainer, right? gmail.com. I don't care how you emailed me I one hundred miles just send it and and then I will put you in the running to get more free products from me from my own personal amount allotments no cost to you I'll ship it out to you but I need proof that you actually use code and purchase so that is that on the HD Muscle Front Life things starting a new business. Super excited about it. I'm trying to find the time to create the content that I want to do a bit of research. It's going to be a membership subscription site that I'm going to put content out weekly monthly biweekly I'm not sure yet video tutorials, articles, links, kickbacks, contests, I wanNA, give my subscribers. To the website as much as possible. So they're getting so much bang for their buck, but giving them good quality content for what it is I know I'm being really vague here, but it's going to be a site that doesn't exist. It doesn't exist for females who are interested in this topic and I'm very passionate about this topic and I live and breathe and eat and compete with this topic in mind and daily when I'm at the gym in between sets at home weekly progress you know. It's GONNA, change a lot for this because I feel like there's nothing. That's like this in industry rate now. K. So I. Mean I hope that I can help people with it and I. Hope People will like what I do think it's a good idea. I'm not really sure it might flop beret now I'm really really excited about it. Hold on. Pumpkin time. Okay Refreshed. So. Yeah. Super excited about that business. Super excited about things to come. Super excited about HD muscle not just super excited about kind of how I'm looking right now. But Hey, that's life. And then Yeah. I mean I miss the stage alight. It is what it is I'll get there soon. And Yeah I mean competing is like a huge part of my life. I am so so competitive guys like I live to compete to win I. Love It. It's makes me so happy. You know when I'm not with the stage, it really does make me feel like. A missing something you know and I hope to get back there. Really really really soon. You know it's just a feeling a little fall mall. Now that shows are happening, I sent Antoine and Quinton off to Tampo. Dorian Rachel Noah. Mariah. The crew crew. So books all their flights booked hotels book, they're tanning you know. Making the posts about the money she muscle impure and like I m like. Hardcore MS in the stage like hard. But it is what it is. You know and I know the stage will always be there I did need this year to take off. You know because health is a priority. And I'm instagram story while recording my podcast Kennedy See. What? So. This is how I record my podcast with my Mike Ima room and then I recorded on Garage Band And then I save it to the desktop I, upload it to my hosting. Once, it's on my hosting, then relocated allocated to my website, which is based off a wordpress and I verify the file and then I type in a blog and uploaded, and it goes directly to spotify and apple music. So that's kind of what goes on behind the scenes with the podcast. So Yeah that's a little bit better. If there's one person show, I don't have any podcast editors, they don't send us anywhere I currently don't have any ads or sponsorship so I don't have any ads to record. If so I would record it kind of input it in the I. Would Edit it and put in the ads in between or wherever they needed to be but so far. So. You know fourteen fourteen episodes in This podcast is not have any sponsors. Fine I'm not doing it for the money. So I don't have to do any of the logistics for that or I don't have to. Uh. Edits record those things. So it does make it a lot easier to record the puck is because I can literally sit down, do it in one shot. And at it as I go if I mess up which I really honestly just leave all the little bleeps and blips and whatever the one time I think it was a couple of episodes ago a recorded a whole podcast and listened to it, and the volume was all messed up I. don't even know why or what happened and had recorded entire podcast i. think it happened like twice I don't know I was so frustrated and then I just like five, four, three, two, one myself and force myself to do it at the end of the day like I mean that's of the only mishap I had I would like a better Mike I've kind of had this Mike Forever. But I do feel like the sound quality is actually pretty good and it might be because I am in this little room and there's not like too much going on but You know there are some better Mike's out there some better options I would like to get. Zuma quarter because that way I can like. Record MP threes on the go and bring it with me and have a dual Mike. Like if I want to have someone on my podcast. I think that would be great because I don't do video for the podcast like some people like sit down in the podcast actually on Youtube. But like that's not where I'm at right now. So I don't know is growing. It's changing I'm learning. I literally started this from scratch googled everything and did it myself so Anything is possible and don't say you can't. Until you try shirt might be difficult nothing worth it is easy and ensure this frigging podcast world is difficult. There's nothing easy about getting her can podcasts online is like ten million steps to do really weird things to get it somewhere but it's nothing that you can't Google and the same thing with the other things like you can do it if you want to you have to put your mind to it like if you WANNA, get to the stage. You can get to the stage you want to lose weight you can lose weight like you are your own limiting factor. So Change Your mindset and you change your life. So with that said, thank you guys for tuning in to episode fourteen of the train at right life. I. Feel Like I've talked enough I hope that this gets you through your cardio, your walk your drive whatever. But anyways, thanks for tuning in. Thanks for the support. Make sure you're following me on all social media channels and. Have a great day. I didn't want to just bodybuilding champion I wanted to be the best bodybuild all times. Dig. Deep down and ask yourselves who do you want to be? The what. But who? I'm talking about figuring out for yourselves. What makes you happy? You have to think outside the box. That's believe. I've know what is the point of being undisturbed you've all you want to be like everyone in avoid trouble. So News invive but everything I. Say. A break, the rose. Did Nothing. The bodybuilding for me I wanted to get into acting.

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Episode 129: Interviewing a new trainer

The Canine Paradigm

1:17:31 hr | 9 months ago

Episode 129: Interviewing a new trainer

"What's happening in the canine industry for all the latest news? Views and expert opinions. Stay right here. For the Canine Paradigm. You'll hear from industry leaders. Experts Doyennes of the industry learn colleagues movers and shakers and the odd randy guest get the latest insights and expert advice from both here and abroad from the people in the Nong. Now here your hosts Glenn Cook and Pat Steward Am Lofty Fulton. And I'm Outta here. Oh Glenn I'm so sorry I'm late was to stay out there trying. Where have you been? I was out there. Training my doc. What took you so long. Well we were doing this particular scenario we will using a hotdog chump. Yup I got that from Kenan Dynamics by the way from might mock lapointe Lapointe get a lot of my working dog equipment from him. He really float some good stuff doesn't it yeah Absolutely cannot dynamics yeah and then my dog was attached to a leash and Koala. When did you get that from? I got mines week. Don't quit not the all buffet. I've got it from Jason. Oh Okay Ansaldo. Click on twitter dot dot com and it all went perfectly. Yep so I had you reward the dog very interested while aside from the boots on the trump the other things I gave the docusign brought spots good. Coal brought spot. You really are namedrop right. You got the best of the three. Got The golden triad right there. Absolutely you want you know if you're in North America and you won't wouldn't equipment Yup Yup if you're in Australia and you want any kind of document on Zuko quick and if you're gonNA use doke traits you crazy fading anything absolutely. Welcome back to the Cannon Paradigm Pets. It I'm joined instrument by my co-host Glenn Cook. Hello pets do it. I could tell you pretty good good at a week off. Yes well not really wake off. Been OUT ON THE. Bogas from podcast. Yes but not from work actually had our heart awake at work and I've had long time. Yeah actually working actually working. I shouldn't say that my boss probably listen to this. Well you're doing. Tell us about what you can. I was working for a red team which we're going to try and get them on the podcast. They pretty came to come on the show and have a chat and talk about what they actually do. It's two guys. One of them was a student of mine in entity if I called Q. And as a reason behind that which I'll let him tell story when we get him on the shot it's quite interesting And the other guy is Andrew who is his partner. And he's a a major in the army so he's an officer and he's a chemist so cute was a warrant officer for the Air Force involved in as Montek Zahid disarm explosives and Kelly is a chemist so the two of them have got this company red team where they basically go around and help agencies learn more about the properties of explosives and any shortfalls in their training which they help them fix bring to their attention anything that they need to fix up side they asked me to come along as the dog training component if they cost and a just work with them while they were doing their expertise. I was helping them with mine and we got along like a house on fire. Eight was it was a really good course. I was really It was all honor and privilege of course to be involved in the IFP and go down there and work with The explosive unit. The some really point hands down there and they've facility out there at Madeira has just done. Yeah you and pain down there. We went down there and met up with make that time. It was a really good way a really thoroughly enjoyed it as I said. Oh is exhausted by the end of it because we will put so much if endured early mornings like finishes long long wake but it was wonderful. Had A great time. All the students in the group were very receptive guys down. They cried news on the cost before. He's done a fantastic job with these dog. So he's done. The calls previously in came back on I consider a supervisory role. So yeah he was helping out in the course and he's made some terrific progress with this dog and he's done the course as well just freeze iron knowledge and to advance on think they would like to talk to you about. Naipaul into the future. That'd be cool as exciting. Yeah it really is. It's really nice to see that. They're putting their budget to good work. They're expanding they knowledge. They really stepping out into the world. That being very progressive. And you can't do more than that When agencies are externalizing inciting what's out there in the world let's bring it in and let's make us better. They should be really proud of what they're doing and I'm proud what doing to. It's nice to know that the people representing out best interests Really searching out into the world and looking for what they can yes good to see a tax payer Dole as yeah exactly happy with and one thing that I do. WanNa give a shout at to the guys Andrew and cue for what they're doing with red team. I'm not GonNa side that I'm so worldly and I know everything about and and so forth but what I did learn with them is the best that I've seen in twenty five years of being around that like I've learned to look for it and be out. There never had such an extensive knowledge but what they taught me and what I was taking. Aim within five to seven days. Pain around there was just unbelievable. Like expanded my world in explosives and the potential risks and everything involved around that exponentially. I couldn't recommend him high enough. If is a government agency at there. Who wants to invest in the training of the personnel? You really need to get in contact with them. They not close personal friends of mine while they are now because we spent time together. But I'm not saying that just for the hell of it just as I get my mites onboard you will be suitably impressed when you spend on them or it's a big sign and get the morning talk. Yeah I think people out there will be captivated gets like everything. It's like things that you've been doing in your role this things. You can talk about these things that you definitely cannot and it's the same thing with them you know. There's things that can be spoken about in front of the curtain things that have to remind behind the curtain you know. And that's for public safety as well and everything like that. But I'm not trying to be mysterious and spooky and crazy and stuff that you know. They dealing with the shop end of the day. You know it's a very interesting stuff that's go. Yeah was CO EXCITING. Very very exciting. Yeah great honor and privilege to be included in colden camera freezing. Don't even get me started on. That was the one thing that I really wasn't enjoying what software they're getting up in the morning and the arranged so-called called and it's not even winter he but it reminded me of when always dying et. Melanie Benway's in Virginia and getting up and you just feel the a thick with cold and like for people who live in those climates. And especially you know like chatted with Zoe a little bit. I'm so native over in in Canada and like she was giving me blow blows of what Canadian winters alike and showing peaches and then Emma Murdoch was show me the frozen like and which way went and stood by taking over there and you just cannot fathom for us we live in an quite a dynamic culture where does get cool but it also gets very hot and they're just I mean I know of winched about that before but cameras. Socks hate you camera. It's a very pretty place like it is A. It's a beautiful area but just the cold. Climate is yeah. I don't do well in the called. Yeah so I was robbed up like no one's business. I think I had like four. Lie is a close on him was still called. It's no fun camera. What are we talking about the topic? Today I had an idea. Yeah yeah something. That's been pretty cool. He's been doing a lot of these online sessions right because Sorry can I jump on your yes me. Jump in jumping for sake jump inmate. Jesus yeah I just wanted to jump in for sake. I'm sorry to interrupt but one thing that Few of the guys were talking to me down there and a few other people online of contact me about was that when we mentioned patriotic. Have you been doing some really? Yeah you've been doing some really dynamic stuff on patron lightly. I've been watching what you're doing and it's not like you're really giving people some next level information so what a few people have said to me. E is we say to people go to Patriots. But then they don't know what to do because they're not familiar with patriotic. Yes so I'm not trying to sales pitch you here but what I'm trying to do is help people who have poured in a complaint saying we say go to Patriot on when you do go to patriots up the top. There's a search bar type in the Canine Paradigm. If you're not familiar with it and then you can find offs and there is extra content on Patriots so we charge us more faith to pay for the Patriot content because it is ease education portal pets. Doing a Lotta stuff on there. I've done a a dribs and drabs of a few things. I'll got some more stuff ready to come on board soon. But that's way find it and how you get involved in Patriot yet. So Pedro Dot Com dot com in that search. Canine Paradigm. A whole bunch of different tease. People can get into. Yeah so you can basically anything that interests you. You can flip through it and it sounds good you can. You can buy subscription from. It's anywhere from three dollars up to a one hundred of you. That one hundred dollars more of a donation thing. Yeah mostly educational. Things are and three to ten dollars yet. Ten Bucks is the best value for money is video. There's you know you can say pets beautiful Blue Eyes. Well he's winking it. He's audience so part of it so a lot of that young contact. What we've been doing is changing. Do they zoom? Kohl's right now I record myself. Whatever code with the other peasants like what's been cool is? I've had a lot of people who were intending to go to the camps and stuff that I was going to do in the states at seminars and that sort of like hey realize that's not happening and God knows when that's going to happen But I WANNA learn the system and what stood him in lessons which has been great. Enjoy doing that and it means that sometimes like if I if I go on a bit of Iran to be out a particular thing I get that content and then we can put it into patron for everybody else to say right so people. Kind of crowd sourcing the product. Listen Anyway but I've been having these really cool conversations with people so they like you know in the past what I would do the online lessons. Usually it would be someone with a problem. I would call them be like. Hey this is what's going on and we work through we problem solve through it but now there's paper calling me. I don't even know what kind of dog they have like. It's not like there's a problem they like. I WANNA learn the system and I want to understand like how would you imagine? You went to a client's place in you encountered this what would you do? Which is the normal sort of things that questions that you would get a seminar or something like that or workshop? Mike happening people coming to it so having really interesting day conversations with people back and forth and some of them are really accomplished. Don't trying to just WANNA boy opinion on a situation that they're arena. That's what I was literally talking about before is expanding knowledge in yeah in general areas. Yeah totally yeah and so. I'm doing a lot of different ones at the moment where I've got lots of people who I am. Basically teaching like my mind workshop to our blocks and it's it's modify because it's not the same sort of thing but it ends up in these like really interesting conversations and the other day song was asking me and it's a sort of a recurring theme about like different stalls of dog training. Why such a thing would exist amongst really high level people. Yup and when you talk about that kind of stuff you know the the three names always coming out is like all. Ivan mock loss and bought and really quite for L. Patriot. That way to okay. I'm talking to anyway and we've had the same. We've had the question in now. Facebook group like you know. Shoot I boy. I've got some money to buy online class. Should I boy markle illustrated by the Evan? That question the other day and it's really interesting and there's no right and they're all really value that little girl in the Taco it. Why not both. Yeah well everybody has Budget its budget and time to be gone. You've only got so much time and and ability. We've talked about here that I think wall. It's a great idea to take on as much knowledge as you can. I think it's only wise taking as much as you can use or is relevant to you. That's a good point. Fly just with just. Don't develop a chokehold on trying to cram into much and as you said. Yeah that's a good point. The other thing too is we assume that people have plenty tom on the hands while all this coronas things going on but some people having waste time the busy the navy you know they can. They breads and they're doing but they're not. They're spending time with their families and they've got kids to educate and well. I think one thing that I can speak on that is like a lot of people now. Having to work much harder to make money right. Yeah good point because you've got your different jobs. Yeah usually source of income and so you know to stop going backwards. People are adapting and what they do. And that's hot and you starting in something. You'd the Prophet is where it would have been if you're running for five years so you know you've that's why people are so busy. I'm really busy and it's just kind of non stop. It's not like all I'm flat. Stick both of the wall like away from home. But it's like nonstop projects that have had sort of tinkering around in my mind there being on the back burner and now I'm trying to bring them forward to use that so it's not like I think that there aren't that many people who just netflixing and like I'm jealous of you. Yeah absolutely and it was assigned predicament. That in because people have been signed to me you know a bit. You'd enjoying all this time you've had and I'll said I like I'm literally doing forty nowadays trying to study things that I have no knowledge about which is all the job Kepa Job Seeker and all the fair work commission changes doing and everything I mean. The government can't even get it right way to stand a chance on that of thing because it changes a standard which is so liquid. I mean it changes dynamically all the time and you really have to keep an eye on that. So Yeah it's been really bolstered. The Wall Action on following all that and listening to the staff and in making sure they're all okay and we've had to put people will not put them off. We've had to reduce hours and all sorts of things that justice terrible. I really is. It's just it's a horrible fucking time to war on the topic but I think long term even long term like rotten now this so many people who are in mental health predicament. And I don't think we should get into the cost benefit analysis of are taking over the world that the mortality rate of that versus. What's going to happen the back mental health paper? And how that's GonNa play out because what the fuck away but I certainly am experiencing it myself. I'm lucky that I have GM and not like a giant. Jim But have everything I need to to try. You are person that needs to move around a half to otherwise if I were to if I were a dog and going to be diagnosed. I've barrier frustration. You have that in your whole family because main both working jobs that we would do if we weren't getting paid. Yeah you're really. It's been interesting for me because you know. I left the army kind of nor myron terms. I've medically discharged back and so I wanted to stay in there and I'd never. That was all I ever wanted to do. It didn't occur to me that I was GONNA have to get another job and I like training dogs and stuff but I really in the last twelve months been the happiest. I think of ever being really enjoy teaching really of been like this is it. This is what I wanted. I'm really good at Forte. Yeah I I've been loving it and giants as an artist is like you know if we were the richest people on the planet and she'd be tattooing people still. That's that's what you can see on social media feeds like she's drawing and creating painting and when you when you when you really have you got what you want like. It's Al both so happy now work and it'd be not be out of work and they'll come back like it's been it's just barra frustration. Both of us a so frustrated. And I think there's an a better word for that just like fuck. I wish I could be doing my job and lachie than like that. We have at least a very good Jim. Setup at home saw can physically anger. It's some style which is why my voice isn't working now because it's such a screaming. Yesterday I did such a heavy session in my buddies melting down over. But we the out that we'd being be trouble and I think there's plenty of people who don't have that. There's a lot of people that had just so frustrated and caught up. I think that yeah. It's fucking hard to the important things. Are Those people is to remember that there is a network of people that on superficial and do care about them and they can reach out to people and there are certainly a lot of mental health lawns as well that you can. You can reach out to the great thing about community to is a lot of people who do genuinely care about each other. And that's the we've echoed this thought but we've had very shot several times. She is one of the mice carrying people way. No I mean Bertie on a regular basis still all just be fucking around doing something and I'll get a little message from every saying is going great thinking about your love. Bertie or something like that. I mean just genuine person. There's not many people who do that as regularly as what she does as genuinely it is yeah absolutely it is genuine care and love and affection from a friend and that is that's nice and I think we need to remember. Sometimes that when I'm traveling up to Terry Goal someway like that. I go through at least people that I know and I just checking on them. Just make sure they're okay. I think sometimes we gotta remember. Don't be too busy to checking people especially people that you are important to you and you care about them and so forth Mike. Five minutes just to say hi. I'm thinking about you hype you well. What are you doing? Tell me and listen to them. Talk over the top of and listen to listen to what they gone through and and be a friend you know. Even if I've got a winch let them have a win give him give him ten minutes to get off the chase because it might make their day especially now especially in this time it should be something that we should practice as human beings to each other. And it's difficult to do when you do get caught up things and people calling you and you got lost going on but there have been times. I've been listening to a podcast. I think I might make this time to to call somebody that I'm thinking about speaking of there's a lady in in America Cold Robin Moya's I just wanted to have a shared at for her because she had a pretty nasty accident and snap both ankles and I missed a self up pretty badly. And she's lovely. Go on the conference a couple of times. And she's touched base and Robin hype. You well and hope you recovering. Yeah of saying that images a pinned in your legs and everything in new spirit to really apply and things are your Y and bet to buy a new cal. Good luck with everything. Stay positive Onto the topic back to us so it kind of got me thinking this idea of you know people spoke about Marco. Ls Does the Ivan. Does these these domes three names? Because they're the you know. The biggest name in the top of dog training industry the portion of the industry that wearing Yup Yup liquid and can have some quiet stock contrasting the way they do things in her super successful and this was asking me. He's like you know why how's that come to bay going to stop me a little bit and I'd like I had to like a ten second pause where I did the Elon. Musk like Jordan. Pay to see them do us. And there's a long pause and you like Oh my God magnificent things you're about to come out of their mouth and make no. I did the long pause house. I have nothing. Nothing thought about a lot right so I think one of the things. These people develop stalls of Dog Training. That shoots the top of dogs that they like to try and get right. So what's been cool is while being in the states of works on. Lds coach right locked closys dogs and they're all of a particular type. He breeds them right. And there you can kind of pick them by the way like the body shape but also like the way they react to things and it's a very good strong online identifiable. He's repeating good meetings like you can say it anyway. So He's training system. Works quite fantastically on those dogs and it works. It works in general. It's it's it's trying but it's really the spirit shopping two point in that direction. Yup Right now. No Bob Pretty well and another top dogs. He likes to train and they're very different right. I would call the. Lds Does while some of them quite serious and they work. I don't know the all right. But they are sporty SORTA dog. That's what you'd think about lacks the sort of really more powerful dominant possessive condo. And he's stall of training is really focused towards that kind of dog. It works on all dogs but it's really focused towards back coined right so just kind of got me thinking that a think. What ends up happening is that you lean towards your own successes so when you training a dog and it's going a particular well and you lockup particular style of dog that's the top of dough yoga and try and surround yourself make sense right exactly it totally and then of course you're training stall is going to lean towards that because you want success favors each other exactly and we've talked here. You know we have a term in the army planning construct. Your plan should account for it should be detoured toward your most. Luckily course of action you be able to deal with the most dangerous course of action and that sort of dog training terms as like you'll stall of training should be geared towards the dog. You'll likely to me yet but also be willing and able to adapt and to work to an extent on Aldo. Skept right and so. I ended up coming back this. It was like a figured it out. This is why. And I think that the stall of trainings of people you'll say will reflect the type of dog that they have access to and I think that's important than when you look at like various China's who will say that weren't work or your. This is the only way that will work and say it with confidence. Though they've they've tested that hypothesis and perhaps they have but on all right and then it got me thinking about the idea of training stalls and take for example. You would look like Mala Noir Border Collie Dog China's dopes right most Doug China's like data side like got whatever they had when they studying but a good. Probably you know maybe onto wanting to compete. They get to a dog and they're like I am buying a dog from the right breeder and I'm going to do Xyz with these dog. Yep most of them end up with either. Malan. Market's going to be biting or border Collie or some sort of equivalent if it's not going to be binding. Yeah because it very similar dogs in some ways but total stock contrasting this Saudi the coal. Recently we're talking about a border collie puppy and I was like you know you have to if you want to train in the stall of training that I like to. Do you have to prepare that border? Collie for training like that. Because it's not going to be naturally into it right so like we use the like sleep late in tools of pressure and we wanted the dog to leaning to that well a border. Collie is typically going to be very spatially sensitive human. He's GONNA warn. Pull away from pressure. And that's a hot wide genetic trait so maybe you better off talking to someone who is Expert in training that top of dog right or and training with that in mind. Or we can adapt your. I'm we can say okay well. In order to feed into our motto. We've got a round hall of he go to square peg but prior instead of just trying to shove your round hole through the square peg. We know why the way we can make the whole big so it will fall in any way we can shave. Some shown is so just little things yours actually Felicia in Canada Al-Namla saying like with that border Collie copy. You need to start just playing some spatial games like encourage it to leaning to you and because you know otherwise if you WanNa do you know when you're healing and you turn like you dogs likely to be very sensitive to your turns? It depends on the talk of training way. You WanNa go into competition. That might be a problem. That might not be certainly like if you had a dog. That was really spatially sensitive. If you're doing something like Mondeo Paige say something where. There's unpredictable things in a handle on what be told blad decor something peaked. That up like pick something up off the floor and carry it to a border collie that can be really big changed the pitch and now you as you move your body to bend. That can really put them off whereas amount. That might actually entered into draw. That might make them. He'll bet out they push against you. Better not likely to be doing the border collie been done but so Shilton. Yeah exactly right but so same deal like you might not worry about that too much. Because you're not going to input much pressure spatial pressure on your dog bit predictable routine like no. The judge isn't gonNA walk at you and say go or the Jewish decor isn't gonNA site you go and pick up that Reich and pretend to Reich at this area of the field while you dog stays in. He'll ask because that's the kind of thing that you do get in the protection of handle atop scenarios in the upper levels of the bought sports. And if you haven't prepared your dope for that kind of weed thing like with. Molly's I tend not to really worry. It's just like this novel doesn't wire me but we the hood was heard about like a more recently herding dog. That would put them off. That would be a pressure. I went to the Sydney Mundi. A trial and D- Did one of the best performances of ever seen of dog in with dog. That so he was he was day coin on the first day of the trial and spray ankle badly right. I couldn't walk on. It was on crutches so the next day he was going to not trawl because he was coined but the next day they. He couldn't day 'cause if he's ankle so he thought well fuck it. Oh trial on crutches and it was spectacular. He's dog didn't miss a beat. It like was phenomenal. It didn't give a shit that he was on crutches now. Good training dog all kinds of things. I imagine a different breed of dog. Would that could have been a big problem. Yup Right at the be the perfect storm for different dogs. Yeah and and so obviously not to take away from his fantastic training and he's dogs really good and all those things things but if he had had such as good a training and as stable a dog and all of that but it will their border collie that might have resulted in some real issues because it would have been really spatially sensitive to this new movement was doing absolutely yeah good example so it it just got me thinking that. I think that most people when you want to consult an expert and we sort of on a bit of a theme at the moment you noticed like we were talking about the role of the Mazda coach episode. And that's it's just really got me thinking because at the moment people looking to further education. And it's you know. Why WOULD I go down one path over another and I think that's probably a good idea is to look at the top dogs? People like the expert of your choice a starting type of dog that you would like to start and do they have the end product of the top of that. You would like an product. Yeah right and then if they're successful when they feel would probably because they also lack that type of thing and they you know. They're attuned accustom to putting out that type of product Yeah it does make a lot of saints. I've seen people who have persevered a training style with certain China's before and the marrying of the two of them out really compatible yet I think. Sometimes they get very overwhelmed with the with the stigma and the popularity of the at the time that they'll persevere amongst it and it doesn't matter if it's male you or anybody else that they go to like off the they start wising up to the fact that this is just not a good or a success for arrangement though generally sought to venture at that point in time and hopefully people start to do that before it's too late now the track. I think some of the voice are generally give people these you know like if you realize that they say isn't going where you want to do it in your best interest with your dog to say thanks but on thinking. This is not the right way to do it like you. Don't have to be rude about it. It's not about checking out of the person I think I can achieve different results with another China induce. I I mean you would do that. If incapable of finding that you're getting shoulder pine from the why somebody showing you how to do it and persisting on pushing it through it and then you went to another coach and I said now that's not your shoulders patio like your shoulders. Don't roll that way. You need to reflect this. And it needs to be the same way and the dog. And it doesn't matter whether we're talking competitive abeyance a household domesticated pit whether you talk about the detection dog you know there needs to be some consideration and I guess this is where one of the best friends. I've heard which did get from Boyd. Which is begin with the end in mind comes from people like Steven? Covy the seven habits of highly effective people. It comes from that mentality of training your your progressiveness in life and I encourage do the same thing like that. So even when we training skills training for argument's sake begin with the end in mind basically means way. Do you WANNA guy like way do yourself and I know that can change like there is an evolution in training where you start to go down the path and you change Martin. You're entitled to do that as long as the dog is capable of doing that. So some people going in heading to training I find. The dog has got more capability than what they found to start with like these considerable capability in the dog and then I think to themselves well. I wasn't considering a career path in pay but I've been Amazon Patent on a listen with him and he said Yep your dogs all the hallmarks of ten tastic dog or maybe advise them look. I appreciate that you're ambitious. It capabilities of the doll will never meet what the criteria on the field will be. I think sometimes you've got to take that into consideration. There are a lot of good coaches and Mazda coaches and trainers out there that ill advising people there certainly are people out there that do it from ego the stuck in a mindset. If I can't fix it nobody can the pot for a new person in industry for Somebody. Who's cutting not th on his head. Are they know that head of they understand? Because some people get very star struck. When they're in front of the of their choice they get very overwhelmed or underwhelmed or whatever it might be look where people before that went right for me you know. We just didn't have a good Caucasian working together and early my career. I would've bash through it lighter. Mockery DECI odd. I think we're compatible for each other. Inositol wise of course but I decide. I think this to would be better for you what you want to do. It's not my field. It's not something that I'm not interested in doing it or I'm not equipped to do it not qualified to do it. That's what I'm searching for. So I think for China's at the young China's even China's obeyed in the game for a bit long time. Be In a position where you think you have to push through that. Well I think so. He's the Turkey Pot. I think the the skill then is identifying. Is this the way the person trains like? If you're looking for the Raw China for you right. Yeah and you look at the person. Say This is how that person trains is it. Because that's all they have or is it becomes that's is it because that's all they have or is it because that's the way that they lock to train and they totally capable of adapting to whatever else you know talking to someone. Recently in fact I put going up a bat from the recording. That took about a callers. And it's really common. You hear people say like you should never put a collar on a young dog right like call his only for adult dogs. And you ruin a you'll you rooney young put an on him and I would never argue with a person saying that because the way they used they right there right sure and so. I think that if that's the case then you would say okay like even when I need that service. That's where all look but if you say to someone and they say well look. I don't use a close on young dogs because I use it mostly as an aversive tool and I don't want to be doing that too. Young dogs wait until I can try to behavior out in some other way then by the time the dogs and if it's still an underlying issue I'm Mike Creating version to that behavior. Then I'll go cool no problem. You understand that the call has other functions and maybe you can explain it to somebody else you just choose to use that different path and so the same problem you on that saying no. I only use the caller as anniversary of one-sided that's just how I use it and one thing that's how it is used and I think the trick can be identifying the two which one is that person lacking which direction does that go. And so like I am that person in in some ways as well like I talked to pay people always ask me about black holes and I so I don't use about call. I go to a lot of effort to make my dog's not Baki. I'm not antibody caller. I don't have any issue with using them I just don't so when people like if you're gonNA give the one sentence answer. Pat Do US colors. But you've got to have a long dramatic pause before it. Yeah but that's it right so far but so I think that interrogation then or interrogation about liked the follow up questions. How come I think they cruel? Okay well that told me what I need to know about you. How come here as well. I go to a lot of lengths to not nate and the reason that I don't because I don't want the resolve you either. I'm not in control of the dog. When he goes about caller he might really be balking at something genuine That I would like the cat here as multiple corrections it could give him his Gaza Today. Call a like. The four may decide to put that into the the risk column. Yup and I would rather teach the dog so you elaborate. You don't just feeling or conclusion. Yeah that's right and but I think that most people when your ass like they don't know that they're being interrogated. What's your theory and they said. Just say if you said to me like if you just said to me. What's theories unbuckle really using? That's it right. Well there's no follow up and so that's the tricky part. I think that for people who are interested in. Who's going to be there trying to who they gonNA work with. Who's going to help them through this journey and or when I have a particular problem who am I going to go to for that problem right? Is those follow up questions of the understanding of the why I think that a everything in dog training and I think it comes back to a lot of the same stuff that we've talked about a lot is when somebody's doing something. Someone has a particular way of doing thing if you say to them why do you do that? And they kinda shrug their shoulders or they say that's the way my grandpappy data. Then you go. Okay well it works in this circumstance with that particular relations are and if I have that problem with a similar dog my guy but if you didn't say to someone like how come you just say well this particular dog and on this particular day with the wind blowing in this particular direction took me down this path and they can explain that then you oh cool so when you had X. on Day Way and now I've got a on in Circumstance Bay and now oh well that would mean Blah Blah Blah Blah. Then that's a different person and I think that anybody who always speaks in absolutes. Is Dan GonNa? That's where you'RE GONNA run into trouble with people who again. Lockley push your dog into a if it's not the right dog for their program That's where they're likely. GonNa push your dog into an uncomfortable state or maybe just the the training not being as effective as it could be in another way so yeah I think that everybody that he's effectively training dogs and anybody that has a reasonable profile effectively. Trying those right. Because you wouldn't like you. You must have enough success to be for people to becoming too if you're going to someone whether it's just your local guy or you're trying to decide which you know world famous international training and buy the DVD of right they successful Because they have that there but then it's worth if you really think about who's the one for me is like have a look black data at what they do right? What Game Are you playing with the dog? Like what sports do you compete him? What what is it that you're you're doing And I you a specialist in these and I you are you a specialist because that's all you know versus specialist because you've tried everything else and you you're aware of everything else but you decided this is the path of mate. It's not dissimilar to interviewing an employee totally Totally say check looking at references. Checking them making all that. This person is going to match the criteria of what your expectations are totally Totally and I think that the main KP mind as you look at the tops of dogs the people to work with and even the selection of the bloodlines that they weren't aware if you like when you dealing with a very high level people you look inside like you know that's the particular talk of dough because if you bring your own dogs braiding if if you look at a high level competitive that he's breeding their own dogs and most of the Ma. They breeding for the top of dog. They want I understand the dog. Yeah I mean everybody. I know every successful breeder I know really is breeding dogs for the next dog and they've got a whole bunch of other ones that they're selling also. Yeah because they try to continue lineage of what they like. So if you had a similar to that or if you have one of the dogs that totally makes sense to then follow the plan. Yeah Right. That's breakdown dot China's smash the Square peg through the Round Hall with US preparing. I think yeah. Yeah that is definitely some cited voice and it's probably things that people they probably wouldn't analyze it as deeply as that. I think a lot of time when people get themselves poppy or even an adult dog just gets overwhelmed and so excited they they jump on the Internet. Anybody who's going to be the flesh way page. There already invested in the marketing criteria. So if you being an avid listener of the show and you've been listening to things that are talking about certainly one of the criteria that we're trying to push is look beyond the flesh marketing you know just having a noise painted car or fleshy business cards or an operating website. It doesn't mean that that person is the right person to train your dog. Look a little bit beyond that. Do Homework pushing to lean into a little deeper Like but the problem I think for the average person who is probably not like the random are right. He's probably not listening to us. Is it so easy to bamboozle them and Mike up just told us what emotional heartstrings but also just make up total bullshit? I think I told you one time I was in the potty training with me and the skies sort of watching me at distance and then comes over and wants to talk to me about dogs. That was this being a monkey. Dogo something different different different different actually signed place any goes. Oh Yeah he's pretty good. You're getting try motto. And I was like on tonight and so is this German shepherd. I like big good-looking dog right. And he's talking to me and while he's challenged to me I had throwing the bowl for and that Chaka thing so he's one hundred meters away like a good twenty seconds or whatever right as he's bringing the ball back and I'm talking to these why he goes. Yeah my dog and Blah Blah Blah goading from these braid up paid whatever. He's a start seven hundred bucks a rope and I was like. Oh yeah okay. And he has co-boys go. He's not zone. He get much for the roots because he's definitely all park. I there's no shit no lie like. I don't know anything like that like to go. I got him from genetically. I've never read him. He might choose to but still young he might choose to Brady. That's tonight my dogs father's a champion. And so he's standing the and remy comes around him back in and it goes over to look at him and remmy just kind of like he's running. Pasta and dog is so weak nerve. Fucking empties doesn't actually emptybenches runs for the heels right like it's fucking so scared of my doc who's paying no attention to rather than running pasta him just got startled boy and runs and the bloody hill and I'm like his father's a champion of what running. Like what like what is it. And he was convinced that I spoke to the guy when he went and recovered his dog and I ended up talking to him about how he could fix some of the nerve shoes and he's dog that he had bred already. This dog was an adolescent dog right. had Brit already and had all these great plans to in the future and I say to him. Like what's the father a champion off and he he just blanks. They look at me. He's a champion. I'm like what like champion turning food into Shit like because this guy is. He's looking at me baffled and you could see. He was just repeating what he'd been told by the breeder. And like you know the. There's so many sports like tell me. What titles he has. Or if he's a show like tell me what he wants to get to be called a champion like and what was it about him that they liked and I haven't seen the father. Maybe he really was something extraordinary. Like maybe the Father. Really of these was something special auto But like all I see is a nervy big hunchback dog. Yeah right and he looked good certainly look good. But there's nothing about the dog that I really want to pass onto another dog and he'd read it multiple times already under the guise of the fathers champion. And I he things as well again. People will say you know like all all nights national champion unlike which competition. Because you know like Australia people will say like. Oh He's A. He's a national champion of what I tracked Dog Sports Pretty Pretty closely. I follow as many things as I can and probably even disciplines follow. I can tell you who the national champion Level One two and three in Japan and Australia and and Maundy like I'm fuller that I've really very interested in that of what champion of what and because it's decant check that it's not like these results that are published in the PIPO gets out lane like anything. It's more underground than than exactly. But that's what I think. I think that it's so easy for people to just bamboozle and and you see like what you and I might look at as someone might be added in the park or look on their instagram. Or whatever and they're doing what the average pet earner would look at Holy Shit amazing obedience right and you look at it and go or not. Bad Obedience has to carry. The Toy. Hasn't been notified that just basic sort of staff. Look I know you good good but the average person would go. Wow that's fucking amazing. It's so easier bamboozling. That's not a Finnish dog like you say. Like see how he's got a hold the toy and he's right hand every time. The dog won't do anything if that's what you want. And that's the to go to but like it's so easy to pull the wool over their eyes and I think what the average public who is looking for a China. Nate to sort of look beyond that. We'll look experience and say like. I want to see if you're happy with that. Then that's fine but like especially if you've got an aggression issue or something like that it's like can. I please say some references like can I say some dogs. That use rehabilitated. And what are they now in these days? There's no excuse for not having before an off the top stuff right. Everybody has that orb video because everybody's got their finding their pocket or at least having some testimonials of like yeah. This is what happened. How headache dog? Before and now he's happy family member but I think it's so easy to fake even testimonials LEXA I. It's so easy for the average person to be bamboozled by industry nonsense. I've got a question for you based on what you've just talked about over the last five minutes. Do you think that some of the people that we may consider to be industry? Arnie's do think that they know that. Do you think that they're finding? I don't think so. I think that limited by they range in scope and so spot on in. What I'm saying is when like I heard someone say you should never use a young dog. Yeah I've heard that on a Kohl's and broncos enslaved I would never try and talks only out of that. Yeah because I'm like you shouldn't you absolutely shouldn't yeah. Y'All scope of understanding is limited. It would be dangerous and the problem is like I say those people. They're not full of shit that because they're going to be successful at what they do other. They wouldn't be doing that but then it needs to. You like the hot pot is for the average person to get to the bottom of that no like but why you successful. Yeah is it because you like what lades to the success cases in this and and is your definition of success the same as my definition of success you know unfortunately I think that a lot of people really just want a shutdown dog pet paper where I just really WANNA shutdown dog. And they don't know what that is. A lot of people look at a dog who's walking on egg shells described him as the perfect dog. Never does anything that makes mistakes. You just want to sit on the couch. He likes getting PAT. He does the list on like ninety percent of dogs are they. He's the drain dog. That's what we want right and they don't understand it's because you know that you're that. Mina back blocking issue that you had and you had to go. I come over and blas these head off with the will. He didn't fix your mind back fence. Barking shoe he stopped the dog expressing drive right so now your dog is so scared to do anything above a level of excitement that he doesn't get himself about that level so. I mean because that lead to punishment not the behavior of Bachi at the back fence so at best he leaves the Shitty Life of Canada. Yeah right where he's constantly like fuck. I CAN'T DO ANYTHING. I'll get in trouble. And at worst cocaine that got shook up and then explodes one day. He tried anymore and at bliss next. Jeffrey Dahmer like to put it in real training terms. This is often what we say with the dogs that people who punish just the act of luck. Balking engine growling. We ought actually addressing on the Line Issues. So yeah no ours. I can stop barking growling right now. I can fish oil but I you have an address the underlying issue so you don't stop the expression of it not the on the car. Yeah and so what? We didn't punish well he was boxing. London growling was cutting. Because he didn't get to that point and now he will and we'll do so without backing lunging growling and that's the sort of thing like there's a difficult middle ground on all of this because I think then there's the old school like Just crank it away and that works to an extent Yep and then you end up with like what you to the silent killer and then that gives amunition to the people who will then say shouldn't use any pressure right like you shouldn't punish that aggression you can never use pressure during aggression because you end up with the Song Killa. Well the truth is like it's somewhere in the middle there. You gotTA show the okay. That behavior is unacceptable. But also like you don't need to express that behavior because there's he's the underlying issue that I'm going to work. Hard to erode away and rebuild from the ground up and say to you like an alternate behavior. You can show if you're uncomfortable side. Let's not make you so uncomfortable is very deep conversation because they signed many variables in where this goes like this. It really explored in different pathways. Really wanted to talk about how to identify how to get good advice. And now we're kind of talking about how to stay away from the bad advice on and unfortunately I'd say yeah. Unfortunately they go hand in hand. Yeah but I think that the people who aren't going to be at least news right because like people listening to this at best dog training enthusiasts right sorry at worst training enthusiasts and at best professional dog China's competitive or something like that sought of it inspires them to leave they game then no but what I'm saying is the people who are getting really bad advice and having dogs ruined just random. Paid Arnold who who's like. Hey Go these problem with my dog. I don't know what's going on. He you call the best ad in the phone book or on Google you Google on the phone book. What's that we know? That's how my first job. When I went out live school and decided I won't be a stonemason and a wide thought that yellow pages yellow pages. I bought the Saturday newspaper. Which you know the jobs us. Yeah but no help. Section no ads for Apprentice Mason. So I open the yellow pages and there was went to stonemason and there were two companies that had big ads are called the first one place. Go Jasper spawn. He didn't answer. I left a message. Cold the next one. He gave me a job while I was on the phone him. The other one co back. I'll give you a job because I know kids. We're looking for and as well first. Year apprentices bicycling absolutely. He's eight hundred seventy six dollars away. Yeah Seventy dollars seventy bucks. This is in two thousand and two getting hundred and seventy six dollars awake. I for six days of the hottest labor you can imagine even now I think fuck. I couldn't carry weight clean. Pack Up Wash Qasr slow. Go and get lunch. Every mixing modern push rising Karen rooks everywhere. People who don't know what the yellow pages are. It's a book yet it's to it's it's printed. Google. Yeah I'm I'm pretty much vice. We're just watch TIKTOK right. And the the strongman does like these funny face of strengthening funny faces strength like they kind of every day feet real life fades have strength pins medal and stuff up. One of these things is. He said he can terrifying book right. Yeah end lengthwise not like through the spine straight down the middle while and people do another phone but he is really hard to get phone books anymore. That used to be a big part of the act up on stage and tear the phone book in half and people well and now he can't even find the tear pot. Yeah they think they're about three inches yet anyway. Yeah so on the training like most people they google the area and the best website comes and fuck like my always that like. That's where I ended up with my first dog. Was I googled? Mallon Sidney and you go to the biggest best website and you don't know that you buying up from fucking the lion of booby-trap India. Yeah that's the issue and that's and again it goes back to do a little research you know have a look at a few and I mean we've got so much good access to forms now where you can actually ask people for reference checks. Yeah these people. What are your thoughts on them? Yeah and you might. You might be. I'm lucky enough to have a really good trying to get bashed by somebody else online. But that doesn't often happen. Usually what I find is in some of the good forums. People saying well look. This is the winter. This is the result that got off them. As opposed to this person. Like me these and if you say you know if there's enough model to yeah to some of them I finally. I think as well as you know when you're talking to people whether you're looking for a coach to get to the highest level or where you're looking for somebody to to stop the most basic thing. I think that anybody who speaks in absolutes is going to be a problem person because you daren't find anybody at the top of their game. They don't speak in absolutes because they they've seen it all right and you go like well. This should work I. This is the technique and this is how we will go by. There's exceptions to everything. Yeah there's always an exception that almost proves the rule and you got to be adaptable. Most don't trying to adapt able to adapt. It's usually because like I don't understand it or like if you're looking at you need defense. Some of the the best trainers on the planet that Oh i knows well right they. They might out referral or people out because like I have my specialty dog interested in. Yeah Yep and that's fail. I do agree with that. Yoga's not fit down the line that will have chosen to walk. And I know how to fix it. And I'm capable of it but I have a backlog of work in what I love to do and what keeps me passionate on. Refer you to somebody else. I think that that's totally fair as well. I did so much pet dog training in my first years of training Luxor remaining board and translate thousands of thousands of dogs and for me. Although that was fun at the time. It's not fun anymore. You know like doing the same thing over and over and over again a variation and like things that are interesting you know. And that's why I like playing with aggression and that's why you like Working with your night by post all of trying his. It's interesting enough. This SAR many components to it that you can pull apart. You're a little bit like a technician as far as training. Goes you really like to get into the weeds of things and pull things down to the molecular level to find out why it's happening and how it's taking but it's still there are certain dogs and clients out that you just think well you know it's really not my jam is it's I think this belongs in somebody else's came from and it's fair to say that sometimes I may refer a lot of people to other people because I just think well you know I I'm not a specialist in that and it would be it would be insulting for me to try and push through that or just not interested in it and either way? I'm doing the best thing by the person in directing them because they got to get the best of somebody else's efforts and trainings rather than get my inexperience on my lack of enthusiasm to do that. I had a win two weeks ago with a client that I've had for probably twelve months or more With two separately reactive dogs real problem. Real problem dogs. The church truth be told. They're not very bad but really causing her. A lot of issues significant to the honor of its if it's an issue it's not a huge part of her life and only wanted to use force free methods and got referred to me through the vet like so didn't have in mind what a dog trying to was was like just on the go. I like just go down the street anyway with her for every year and two weeks ago convinced her. That upon Colo is the way to Guy. Edits being sessions sporadic sessions every couple of weeks. Whatever Yup and we made a lot of good progress liked bicycling. I did a lot of progress and any chance you can. Yeah Yeah and what I think was difficult for her. Was staying on the idea of like you know. As I explained to her there has to be consequences. There has to be consequences for the dogs actions so we need to not put the dogs in a position where they can despite the behaviors. We don't want unless we're prepared to follow through the consequence be forced fray. And you don't WanNA use any pressure at all their work hard and base mom to be so much better and yeah and it got to the point where basically there was an incident where she's like this is this is like the cat and WanNa eight in the end. She was asked me. I always had from the start when you WANNA fix these problem in two weeks We can do it. You're like when you're ready to fix this problem. You let a couple of weeks ago because how many kids are now around and the dogs one wanted. The dogs has with skateboards right. Like crazy at skateboards Yup. It nearly beat a kid and the dogs sweetheart dog. But it's just the typical like a half to thrive expression. I have to chase. That's guy and everything else like everything is in place dog. Plays those go spring polls go with that but there was nothing to tell the dog. You shouldn't do that and then I basically like a time like I. I already and she said to me you know the what what she said. Pat. You don't understand you know I'm up front with this kind of stuff. Say you'll hear people say about the protocol because everybody will google it right. If you say that. Now Google Suzy Lee and and I'll say they'll say the pages of the torture voice and she says you just don't understand how much joy these dogs bring me and I don't want to do anything to them to diminish that joy and I expect looks like get that but you have to concede a- like first of all imagine that it really was these terrible tool right. Imagine that like. Let's pretend that and I'll accept what you're telling me that this is the worst tool that an and it's a torture device. Yeah it's not and we'll talk about that lighter but imagine that I accept that and you tell me how much joy they bring to you if your dog bots that kid. That's it it's over and you. You walked around a corner and there was the kid on the skateboard right like it was a chance encounter. Like you'll lucky it wasn't my kid right because your dog is going to be the loser of that fought. I'm telling you know dog is barking my kid in the straight. That is not happening and I was like imagine you get someone worse than May or he really does by now. You've got a kid who's at best fearful of dogs for the rest of his life. At worst he really does get badly injured. Like that's the end of you though it's gone you not getting it back right. And then they don't understand the legal ramifications that are horrific and tormenting on top of the loss of dog like the legal thing. Be wanting to go down but imagine that. Oh bought like input suggestion without exaggerating. And I don't. I'm not trying to brag but if like if my kid received a sustained boy straight like that is being half its. I'm going to stop that in the most horrific quiet and I'm doug level. I love that. There's no dog that's worth more than my key. Get it so but the thing is like I'm trying to explain it to. I'm like say even if it were these horrific tool. Isn't it worth that? They endure a few minutes of discomfort to then have the freedom of relieving yourself and then of that risk for Right that's how I wrote around to it and because I'm from with people I say like people will say with a call. It doesn't hurt. Don't worry I'm like no. It worked because it hurts. That's that's how pressure it's not going to injure them but it is GonNa hurt them right anyway. We on the I walk with the Bronco before we get to the bottom straight. She's convinced on my God and I like a look. It actually is increased relationship with the dog right because now the dog knows when it's wrong she's been telling it when it's right heaps right and the dogs are all over that but when this competing motivators right like how much food you're carrying and she wanted to do proper never withheld food from the dogs so like your just like providing treats when when the dog makes feels like taking them I this is like telling the dog know that you can't do that. And he's an awesome behavior that you can do and get paid for anyway in minutes. She's like she's solar friends society using prong collars. It's like the best thing ever but that took me a fucking years. I was working on her for a year right and there was only times along the way with her that I just wanted to be like off. Fuck these and my I hide it. Driving to the sessions aided it as drawing the like Oh man and I feel like a fraud because we really. I know all the things to fix this how to fix this problem. It is somewhat heartbreaking. Yeah I know we can fix this. This is not. The dogs are not serious domes right like they're not the problems that you having it very minor issues. They look really bad. Because we've got no way to communicate to the dog that they shouldn't do that thing. And so they just self-reinforcing moment that there's any feedback. You shouldn't do that. They're gonna cut it away because it's not that reinforcing. Yeah but when it's that or and of course they take that right but anyway a fucking year worked on this and you know in the end. I gave you plenty of money. Yeah I gave her the prone callers. Did you get them for minds? Week I did. I take don't quit their direct fucking gave until I was like. I want you to know this is not. This is not may trying to get more money out of you. Like have them and also. I think one of the reasons I did that was she. Doesn't want to be using it for have a big part of it at the start was like. I don't WanNa do these forever does but I was like if you are consistent and you do it for long enough. The problems go away condition than your behavior. Sounds like Landon Judy. Because I know that you will use them and give them back and you'll notice the huge difference in three or four months. You have built new behaviors in your dose three four six months. Whatever I told her three weeks but to get them on. But you'll have built new behaviors in your dog and you will no longer need them and I will take them back. And it's not like a phone call away. Oh we used that on other dogs but anyway so I think adaptability is interesting dog trainers training when I went to her. Now this is this is my thing like yeah like these are not that serious. We can fix that today. We can put a dentist and you know within a few weeks. It'll be going do this and didn't want to do it in a like okay. Well Shit. I'm here right everything that you've just talked about all your frustration. The length of time reminds me of my stint when I went totally forced free and the frustration that I went through and forced upon myself and I think that was probably the most uncomfortable in dog. Training of obtaining my career is when I imposed restriction on myself that I just couldn't sustain any longer when I saw the impact it was having on and the ramifications of dogs that could be fixed within a two week period. Yeah so I understand. And and and we've spoken of multiple. Tom's across our podcast. Is We understand the importance of positive reinforcement and we do understand that were both high advocates of that system of training. We you and I both preach that separately and collectively that we appreciate how important it is the lowering in all of it and use as much of it until you count any longer. That really is a stepping stone issue for a lot of people and that conversation often comes up a lot. You don't know how important these dogs out through me. I just love them so much in my mind. The example that you using was a perfect example. I really. I think that is a very good point is use. I understand that and I get that. But when push comes to shove and you'll dog expresses that behavior upon innocent child or another dog in the street or anything like that everything up into this point like I is a problem to that. It's a nightmare and are fucking not me. It's the sky falling on in on toppy head at that point on. I know that there's going to be a lot of people that listening to this going. Glenn come on you know. That's not the only way to try and a dog and I am one hundred percent with you. I know that's not only might to try. And we've said this. We acknowledge it's not the only way to try and a dog however what we are also been saying and if you've been following along is that you're going to understand that the importance of doing this is to be open to explore things you know why kate bashing ahead against a concrete wall. The walls going to win that argument. Yeah it's interesting. It's not this going but what's interesting to me is if you're going to try and fix a case like that using only positive reinforcement for sure it can be done like many people could do it. But you'd have to be so much better China like you'd have to be exceptional to really pull that off and it could be done but the overwhelming majority of people and not all them. We've had people on the show that time well but now that they are incapable and the overwhelming majority of people who Anti it use of tools of any kind right. Do not have the skill to pull off what they are trying to do. Using only positive reinforcement. Yep and. I think that's one of the things when you're talking about looking at a China if your person who is like not. I want these behaviorally shoe fixed. Ucla positive reinforcement. There's a good chance that probably can be the time line is gonna be different and the amount of effort and skill. It's GonNa require is going to be much higher but you're going to have to engage with someone who's really fucking good not someone who just is like anti tool because being anti tool and bay exceptional positive. China. They're different thing. And just because you say broncos a bad doesn't mean that you'll use of positive reinforcement east good right and I think that that's why I still like. I spend a lot of time investigating and looking into the really good force for China's because they had the best at that because they have to be have to be so much more skillful they have to be. You have to be so much more skillful to tie your hands behind your back and still win the fight. Yeah absolutely yep but so few are when you see people who are like never use that tool. It's the devil right. Well it's like okay but like you well enough versed in the opposite use right like I you willing enough. I is when people look at it and know that's not for me like my ethics shouldn't use that and as a result today successful. I've had to become extraordinary at cool. You're the guy like no ours. We can do it just off to the parrot fashion explanation yet. But I don't like it because somebody told me not to like. That's right and when people talking absolutes like when it's exact same thing when someone says a prone call each cruel of course. I can be with a propranolol of can be cruel with a fucking yellow crown if I if that's if like cruelty happens in the hot in the moment not in action so like I can be cruel with whatever I want to be cruel with. I don't need these tool what I'm doing with is communicating to the dog. Yeah but what happened with this lady is? I turned up labor with the broncos. She's now like wow. This is great. But he's still has reservations especially one of the dogs is really fluffy. So when we're take it off got tangled a little bit. And she's like my hurting and like it was tangled and he's a little be and like the dog didn't like having taken all for and anyway. I told up the next week. Now I've been gone like spotted sessions for twelve months the dogs when I get those lack you had gone. It's fine when they get to the next the dogs and the happiest influencing them. She's the happiest vividly in her all the problems of going away and she still really wants to get rid of the call is like really does not want to use them forever but one hundred percent now sees the benefit and realizes. I was confusing and frustrating. My notes a lot of the problems that I had that she had will because the dogs were that were away when they were doing the right thing that she wanted had no idea that the other things that she didn't want them doing that they shouldn't be doing that. And then the relationship gets damaged right. She ends up bridges ending them on the walks. They go on walks out actually at the moment. This is when you're schools shutdown so keyed sparking ever. It's like Permanent School Holidays Right keys. Alive the Place Rodney box in the area. I was a disaster for her now. Suddenly they lives like so much better right. The dogs are happy. She's happy at grace me with a big small. The whole situation's a million times better because of these torture tool but I think you know the reason I bring all this up. He's like you cannot dealing absolutes like I think that anybody who says the only way it will work? He's wrong now. I knew that like I knew that she wasn't going to be do the positive reinforcement pop. But this is what hated going to the sessions man. I fucking hide seeding the car on the way there because you probably Katie client tardily thinking like I have my hands behind my back and I honestly think that may or any other dog China who the does not that serious. They could've actually fix the problem using nothing but positive reinforcement. But I feel like I want to have to be very calculated use of it. The lucky it's totally possible. But she's not she's a does whatever she does just a pet. Arnaz nor the the interest or capacity. And you know the issue with the dog chases the things like this why we had to spring pause. She's not physically capable of engaging in play with the dog and I think that's a big issues like the war on the topic. The idea of like you chase the ball like in my experience with a lot of dogs that makes him worse like my own does come way out in ten minutes. I can just chuck it. Bogus apple comes back. Bogas apple comes back that gives me ten minutes of repave. It give you ten minutes doing it and it gives me ten minutes as your to him. That doesn't count as a session that's getting to sprint. That doesn't that doesn't like wasting physically for a short period of time. Yeah the thoughts is still there and most training people can understand that. He needs to work right like he needs to needs a job. He needs to do stuff fight who abeyance and we reward in the same way. He's happy days content. That's a happy dome but most people were really struggling to explain to her. Like no you. Dogs are really unsatisfied. Just throwing the ball in an out They might be physically exhausted for an hour afterwards. But that doesn't do anything for the state of mind. Comparatively people finding that now with this pandemic is that they need. They need something to do. They need a job staying at home. Used to be there ultimate dream like thinking. I need to be at home like. That's what I WANNA do. Now they got their waste. There's a lot of people who wish that they could put the genie back in the bottle. And buccaneers but anyway. Yeah that's my ran about it but it's it's a good brand because what you know like in summary. What you've been talking about is getting a little bit deeper in the ways with China like interviewing. Luckily we wouldn't employ looking into the background and checking up on them and finding out if there really is good cohesion. Yeah totally and I. You know no matter what you're looking for if I'm going to summarize my point no matter what you're looking for when you're talking to a China. Anyone that speaks in absolutes. It has to be this. There's no other way that's our guys that makes my I don't think so when people say this is what we do and you know. This is the successes that we have about this so that can work. You know. There's reasons we do these then. There's a reason that we've chosen this way no problem. That's what we want. Because everybody has their method and they you lock their method no matter whether they're whether they're fucking autumn Alabama of bill and. Michael Ellis Yeah. This is the John Local dog trainer. Who runs the LA abadia classes in the in the school on the weekend like the they've got their method and they they had their method because it works they'd be happy with the product getting out. But then you go to understand like you know. Why are they happy with the product? Like what is the product that they're happy with and why day mess it worked for them. And if that's what you want. Yeah the problem right sometimes it is and like. I say whatever you rain for she get more of the frustration for me that that message is unlikely to get to the people who need it like because when you talking about the topic dog. China's they're all capable of trying any dog with. It's way you'll get a spin. Where's your money? Spent right like he talk you dealing in should get ninety nine percent of what I need to know or ninety nine point nine percent of the end of the day. Who gives a fuck you get amazing information from those people absolutely not WanNa work? But when it's you're dealing in the local Jonah you could really fuck. Yoga could really end up in some provinces. Be careful of anybody. That's fixing absolutes and pass that message on. I hope to your family and friends and disseminate that into that. The average doe Garner's hands so that when they are talking to a dog industry person. I know what to look awesome questions. Yeah right like for some follow up. That's it that's a nice day topic but it's As regularly it's important for people to sit back and have a bit of a think about All right well. That's It for another Soda Cam Paradigm as always if you like we. He plays chess subdued that through. Whatever subscription service download from She wants to put the show. There's a website co-patron and the the idea of patriarch for people who don't know because we have sometimes people who are unpatriotic L. Saito us. Oh My loggins not working or my credit cards coin. We have no way not says to support. We no access to any of that. 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Ep. 38 : The Humanistic Approach to Horror with Michael Fimognari

The Indy Mogul Podcast

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Ep. 38 : The Humanistic Approach to Horror with Michael Fimognari

"Hey andy filmmakers my name is Ted n welcome to the podcast episode. Thirty eight now and this upset we brought on my coffee when Yara is not only entertaining director. But he's a cinematographer behind things. Doctor Sleep and the haunting of Hill House. Now what are these two things have in common? We are talking about hard today and yes that is right. Michael has incredible ivory horns which he actually never intended on using in the first place cell. Where are we talking about his career? I started making films. And we've got a video breakdown of the haunting Appel House which you can find over on the Indo to after this episode. Make sure you guys go check that out seriously. Absolutely loved this episode. But here we go everybody episode. Thirty eight of the logo bug. Ask you this know that it sounded in fact I would. It's a little embarrassing to say now but I don't think I really knew the division of Labor on Gooby until college. Yeah I really don't think I thought I thought it was a director and actors and even though I knew what the credits were and I loved the way movies looked I cared about the music and and I look back now into. How did I not put to into together and understand that this was this massive team effort? Yeah because I would just have at that time of VHS camcorder with my friends and we will do everything we would act and shoot. And Edit and I sort of figure out the easy department head type stuff new but not until I got to film school. Did I really understand so when you were kids and making films mostly just like what works? Well that didn't work last time. This time time. Making we were just video. The insane kids. You know we would come home after football practice make movies instead of whatever else knew you know movies. Where these mostly they were. They were sort of rip-offs of what we were seeing. You know like like movies that we love and and we we inserted ourselves into that world and and then make fun of each other and they you know in the process and just had a blast. It was it was a total bonding experience. One of the things one of the many things we did that held us together as friends. And in a way brought in other people who otherwise probably wouldn't have spent time with buddy and they said hey. I saw that stupid thing he made. Let's can we do that like we do that? On Saturday it became like a high school. Like a fun activity that brought in a little bit a little bit and but it also in that. It was fun for them. I started to feel like that was something I really wanted to do. Outside of high school and talked about that openly. But it's still felt like a dream it didn't it didn't feel like an actual achievable goal. I think a lot of filmmakers feel like that actually when especially kids that are growing up in smaller cities smaller towns in different countries. I want to make movies. I love movies of watching. There's always the question of how much fun must be to make because it's so much fun to watch a movie right now. I think a lot of people feel that. I don't think you're alone at all on that for the people that come from those cities Do you advise taking summer path that you did in terms of move. Tally moved to New York moved to a big city. Well the Nice story took a winding road to get to La. And in that. I thought Oh well you just apply to film school and having done a minimal amount of research on the filmmakers. I loved understood that there was nyu and there was ucla and there was a AF. I and there is USC and there were others but those were the primaries and so I applied to all those and of course didn't get into any of them because I didn't have anything to show. It didn't really wasn't a student of writing in the that I could sort of craft a an essay or something that would say. Oh you're a good storyteller or anything like that like I cared about it and I wanted it but I didn't hadn't done. The work also had on the work in high school like I didn't those are all schools. That are hard to get into without good grades. They do care. They still care about your academic achievement in high school and I didn't have that I had like a B. average which wasn't good enough and that was a bit a bit of A. Oh I'm not good enough to play in that sandbox and I went to what What ultimately was Was An outlet that that was the best thing for me which was my Amazon. It was my mom who said listen. Penn State University has this little film program. They do teach. Production was at the criticism. Of course a lot of film schools teach how to understand film and critique film and film studies but don't necessarily get your hands on the stuff right and Penn state's close and I still didn't have good enough grades to get into that throw grant you get rejection letters from all these places and I am glad that I hope that they're kicking themselves right now. Well degree but yeah I mean I it was. It was one of those things where where the best thing for me was to have to do the work you know and not to have just gotten in in and because I had still had full support from my parents who said listen you just gotTa you gotTa Follow Your Dreams. You know like yeah. You got to believe that it's possible try and I. I the replying nights where I was devastated by. The thought that it wasn't a thing and that that was so far away that right but I went to Penn state And I had to go to a satellite campus. I to do it because Ben States have a big state school and they have all these little satellite schools and they basically say hey. Listen we'll start you here if you keep your grades up you show us that you're capable of doing well at a at a bigger scale. University will bring up. Come to the All I did was study like I. It wasn't even about film. It was just like a meteorology or or mathematics. Whatever class I had I was like I am? I have to get going that movie for the sake of anything just just to be able to feel like I was doing something there. There was a year after high school. I didn't have a clear vision of the goal because it wasn't right in front of me but but I did know that it wasn't just getting Gen ed. It was that I should take a shot at trying to make movies for real and so I got I got. I got the grades in Wednesday and there there were some really influential teachers there who I was fortunate to to learn from. Who taught the care of story in story structure and character and gave us cameras in which is like you? We have cameras. You WanNa go make a movie. Yeah go out on the weekends and become the secondary priority then because at the time you want movies Kinda got rejections. He started focusing on academics. And then at this point I guess the FO making a tour taking a back seat to. I'm just going to focus on succeeding thing that I have in front of me. I never fell out of love with making movies. I was still of my own student of good movies. You know and so that part of it was still the burning you know want it. It might have not been the front burner. Yeah but it was all it was always there. I knew I had the reason to get. The good grades was to go to films ticket. Yeah and so fortunate to be supported by by all those people and once I got there fortunate to to connect with good teachers and good peers. Who also cared that much and probably also I can't speak for them but didn't quite see the path either but really cared about the projects made tons of terrible little shorts. That taught us a lot to Mr and Mrs Viewing Yard watching the show. Yeah Yeah and and you know in the best way taught us works what doesn't and and kept passion going and my thesis film which was more of a collaborative diesels. It wasn't like I. I can't claim ownership of that. It was really four of us. Who who care deeply about it and each took on influential roles in it was the first like hey I can show this and and it's a story in it's got good good performances in in good shots and for student film was part of a little showcase that Penn state submitted to the IFP and at that time the IFP was doing a little student film Presentation in New York with the I've P Independent Film Project. I don't even know if they still exist to be honest organization. I think at the time it was. It was a way for independent films to search for connecting voices financing. Is that was your only chance? Outside of the studio system to make movies was to get money for indies then go to festivals and hope you discovered right so this was like the you know in in Europe and stuff like that. There's government-subsidized this is like the American zone. Sounds like a non-profit something creates. It may have been in his longtime. Yeah yeah similar to that. That's right and and at the time that was that was sort of the. Hey if we're like If we can make the brothers mcmullen like or you can or clerks or you know like those. Those are the kind of movies that would have would have found their way through something like that and they did a student showcase they invited. I I WANNA say. Ten films schools out of the nation that had to submit their work and based on the work. They would say okay. We're going include you in this year's showcase so that we can show your work to indy producers and show your work to professionals in New York and you'll meet them and you can pitch our ideas and and we'll show your films you were doing all this from Pennsylvania. Yeah this was all in fact all of art. At that time it was all film and so we were shooting sixteen and sending our film to the labs in New York and then getting our dailies back on VHS and cutting like deck to deck VHS and it was like magic it was like I hope that our footage is in focus a week later and yeah it was it was a fascinating process to not be connected but feel like we were sending our voices out there and it was super exciting to then be included. The first time Penn State had ever been included so we and a few of our other Classmates had made our thesis films and we went into that showcase in New York with the schools like USC was there. Ucla F. I. Nyu Florida state with all the bigger than well known film programs at the time and we were the little the smallest little group of them. And you know when you when you looked at them we would walk into like the USC or the the UCLA screenings and they were super polished and sounded great in the performances were fed and some of them had like famous actors in them. Like we're way in over our heads but we're to be there even feel like because nowadays I think you know with the Internet with digital creation and content with dream services. It feels like the people today. Better new filmmakers have an easier but they I think they do to some degree. If you're in a second tier city to be able to submit your work and haven't seen online distribution is easier but when you're in Pennsylvania and you're making this and we're still in the film days. Where does the motivation come from? And how seriously are you and your peers taking this at the time? I took it very seriously but I don't know I think there's a certain amount of blind trust or naievety that comes from bill having a dream and as soon as you start to look at the reality of it. That's that's a bit sobering and scary and I'm sure it scares people off and to be vice. Still kind of live in that. That slight blindspot today because as soon as you look around as soon as I start looking around and go wow. There's so many talented people making movies. So many smart creative hard-working crafts people and artists. I it's scary and you like how am I ever going to find a spot like? Is the world big enough for for all of us and so I just try not to think about it like I? I just try to to say you know what I can focus on this movie right now. Where this series or the story or and at the same is true back then. It's like soon as you start to look around. It gets pretty scary. All you can do is is make the movie. You have the amazing to me to hear you say that though because again we have three of us in this room right now that are you know the big fans fans at least of the word that you've been doing the show that you shot looks amazing so It's it's almost hard to hear that to some degree but Okay he's saying you never really ends that feeling of. I'm I'm at simultaneously grateful for that that feeling and It's like nonstop doubt. It sounds like it salutes. I it's it's it's good to feel like you've gotta be gotTA step up since. I don't like being comfortable with the situation where the work that is. I think a dangerous mindset for all the indie filmmakers out there that are that are doubting Dr Maybe in a second tier city that are trying to take our work seriously but feel like there might not be a place for them. The answer is get used. It's going to be around task problem. Like maybe that's just me. You know like maybe I just have to get over it all this an anxiety or whatever it is but I have spoken to sue lot of filmmakers people. I work with all the time. Who Kinda share that that little bit of. It's an internal push to the drive is is bonded to this kind of like. Who's behind me right now? Like who? Who's because I was that I'm that person to there. I was chasing those same dreams as the people I admire and sort of thinking will someday. I'm I'm taking that you know like I hope so someday. That's a rule I can. I can fill not because there's not room in the world for all of us. But it'd be nice to have to have that kind of collaboration with with filmmakers because you see it and you say well that special why is that special and I don't know that I would have had the confidence that I did. Without the the freedom at Penn state to just make stuff and so what happened after the IFP screening. Was that that little short movie that we made was awarded a regional student. Emmy from the television academy and beat out the big actors. And there's no no I think I don't think they were competing directly Joe. I think there's wedding the way that works. I don't even know if it still happens today. But there are regional awards and then there's one big award just the national like there's one of them will get the national equivalent of winning state. Originals thing so. I think that there there's like eastern. I think we got like the eastern regional best dramatic short or something like that and that felt like. Oh we'll in this universe we are telling a decent story that holds up and I use that as part of a package to then apply to those same film schools. I didn't get into the first time around. I was able to then I had worked very hard on on writing and non making films and I applied if I and you see in. Nyu And all the schools. All over again studied really hard for the Gre. So I could get my masters and A. Usc was my first choice in that worked out you and And then I went into a second phase of study which was was super detailed in the way that only USC can do you know. And and that was that was craft and making movies in the bigger arena. And doing it in. La You pull the rocky. Well actually been. I know so I I am various supported in every possible way and still am today by by family and friends and And it's it's unfortunate. There's equal stories on the other side. The DINGO through film school like I work all the time with Mike. Flanagan as you know and and Mike went to film school and then took a different path of editing and and made his movies himself like with with Go Fund me and credit cards and an Kevin Smith style. Just I will make this movie at all costs end. Yeah and he he honed his crap as an editor and and made a bunch of films and one of them was short called Oculus and the other one was a feature called absent show. And they're both terrific and people recognize that he had a an I it was an excellent storyteller and a good a good person to to collaborate with and that's history keep hold Iraqi like so and I I think kind of everybody is you know. It's the were he were here because we the odds are in the hospital. Anyway Yeah and you just have a dream and you don't stop and yeah figured out wealth. Is someone out there that didn't poorly someone. That's McCain of a kid that didn't you can still even that instill different offense like we're we're all still of of movies you know like and it gets. I'm excited to. I still get excited about the things I wanna see that you know. I want to be told the story in so I think that's that's what gets people going. You need like watching movies. Tell us joy at had after having made a bunch of shirt being onset every dates for sure so I guess you go to film school I mean. Is it everything that you thought? It would be the biggest realization that you had going there to either school or Los Angeles. I was terrified that I would certainly be called out for not being capable of hanging with. Usc People might these doubts. What are they going to end? Okay so get your admission. The data there. You don't know I mean you see you see names like George Lucas and Robert Zemeckis and and And countless others. And you just don't know like what what is it like. What does it mean to sit in those rooms and have to pitch and have to come up with ideas and and and sort of build at that time? You you think that career you know. It's not like us not at school yet. But you think that if you don't figure this part out you're not gonNA get the other thing right and would i. What I realized was that when we take a step back. I also thought that one of the things about USC that was the reason people kind of make is that USC had connections. Because it's something I heard a bunch not being in La was all about the connections. And you don't have it so you can't make any connections than just forget it. Sorry Mike from Ohio you know. Pennsylvania not happening in entertainment business or just about knowing people. Yeah and so still Senate today. Don't think that's true. And they and I and I was thought that. Oh if I go to. Usc then it'll it'll be the people who aren't students studying there. Who are going to be the ones that kind of recognize you in like cast you up into the clouds or whatever have you king boy. We will raise the which is not. What the sky off filmmaking. No that's not even close to it happens. It's a random guy. The expectations are high. Which is great but ultimately what? I really loved about. Sc was that the class we were in had filmmakers from all over the world with completely different perspectives. On the on their own experiences and the stories they wanted to tell and so every day we would go in and see each other's work and watch and watch the push and pull of these concepts and I had never been a part of such a broad world view of storytelling and that was that was both the education and those people were the connections. The people I was in class with where the connections not the alumni who are gonNA come take us by the hand and just like anything else over the course of time you you find your allies and you find your people. Don't the Yes people that you WANNA work with. Yeah Yeah Yeah and good for me because I went in wanting to be cinematographer But most of them wanted to be directors so I was able to say L. Shoot your movie. I'll shoot your movie. I'll cheer movie and I just just shot like I went and told stories. I probably didn't even always like but grew to love and learned bunch about about why people care about certain point of views and that was the education. It wasn't yes true. I was fortunate to to have to have legends as teachers you know. Asc members who who helped guide our cinemagraphic approach absolutely noon was worth it. But it was this constant turnover of collaboration. That was the the education do as my question is he said. These people are from all over the world with different perspectives. So the students that come into this class are in a lot of ways just like you or they come in. They probably don't have a lot of connections themselves. Yep and you go in there expecting that the students you're going to meet to some degree. Are The people that have all these connections that are the La born in br br born and bred filmmaking person? That's going to be your friend that's GonNa take you along and you find out that's not the case but still even with all the being true. Those people end up being connections. Those are the people that you end up working with long-term. Yeah that was comforting. Actually to to see that everyone had the same vulnerability and but also this the same passion. The that was comforting can ask any of the kids from a kind of Pennsylvania that she worked with in the beginning made films with as a kid. Anybody else come along for the ride or the those we we spent all those weekends with the camcorder in high school no They're all super creative people at heart and I think just didn't ever see that as a a thing and I was sounds like it was more about. You had to go out and find people that wanted to go the next couple with you. But I will say that. That the for The four of us who made the Penn State thesis all moved to La in all made careers here and three of US actually did go to USC. Yeah in a in. A and it wasn't. We didn't make that like we're all going to go to the same school together. We talk about when we hold. That sort of thing would happen But we all did we did go to. Usc We all did go to La The director of that movies names. Kevin Burke yes is a fantastic writer and show runner for Marvel and does Star Wars and and he sees still friend close friend to this day and His wife Jamie is a producer who also went to USC in servicing your hometown Ohio friends to some degree from Pittsburgh actually and yeah and we met at Penn State and and brought some booze and we. We were partners from pretty much. The day we met at Penn State we kind of knew it was like I think we should. We should do stuff you know code and I resist. Yeah he helped produce my USC thesis film. I shot his and and we haven't worked together too much professionally just because it it. It kind of moves and in different pockets but we will like. That's it's a long way to go get along. Yeah that's been that's been nice there. There's just been some some real friends that have come out of out of it. People are crazy on the same tracks as you. Yeah and who are just good people? You know that that I can. I can talk to and And feel like we're aligned. Creatively and you just find that as you go. You know nothing okay. I want to talk a little bit into a horror real quick. So you start shooting. Basically a lot of these kind of these films short films you go in this cluster directors here first before we jump into that. I WANNA ask. How can you tell who are the people that you want to collaborate with? I'm sure there's a lot of people out there especially you know. I think I think it's a common thing actually for DP's that are in scenarios where there are a lot of directors you know what product what which projects do. I work on. How do I choose and also how do I find my people? 'cause we always hear that you're gonNA find your people. People was that mean to some degree in a practical sense. My advice to myself like right vice. Do so yeah. Is that in the early going? I really don't think it's a good idea to limit experiences Judge too much the outcome or the experience based on an initial an initial interview or or discussion with a director. I I think it's just good to get your hands on the camera and have experience with multiple collaborators. Who can teach you about yourself and about what you like and what you don't which are good at and what you're not and and your language of communicating because all these things are requirements of having to do it on a bigger stage with more responsibility and more accountability and there were plenty of projects over the years that small smaller ones that were driven by passionate people and they probably weren't my first choice but either because I had to pay the bills or because I didn't like saying no when people wanted me to work with them because it's again that same like hard thing. It's a hard thing it's hard. He's a Hey. I want you to work with meaning. I don't know like you know so. I had a tough time saying no because I want to make movies and also because there's something interesting about working with people you might not might not fit into the comfort zone with and those are the ones I learned the most on where I had to you. Learn how to communicate and learn how to extract information from Director. That maybe isn't giving it and thighs understand with people that maybe the same vision or the rice synthetics as you and it's not my job to have the vision it as DP. I consider my my job to elevate their the director's plan and and I hear this from actress. Sometimes that not so much anymore but actress who would say. Sometimes you don't get direction from directors new and you've got a still play the part so use or create your own and Dr Two Times that you create and so there are times as a cinematographer that you don't get that and you've got to you got to get enough from the director that you can stand firmly on a plan and then still make movie and and so I think that you just gotTa shoot when you're trying to build a career average. It's better to work than to not and in terms of collaborating you're saying that even if you don't align with someone in terms of visual style or like right off the bat you don't kind of feel that visual chemistry in terms of tastes and things that you like Remembering that's not really at the end of the day about visual style. It is about maybe crafting and building the skills of just being able to work with different personalities. And be able to you know be in situations that are uncomfortable. Yeah I think so. I think that's helped. And in the best of ways I will recommend that to myself now I think now the goal is different. Now now I I spend more time making sure that I'm positioning myself to work with people who are all on the same track who all have the same sensibilities and and Professional qualifications and really want what the director and producers want. That's A. that's the goal. Set yourself up for success now. Yes but in the early stages embrace all the Times that you've had to organism painful experiences because that's what really helps you when you face problems on the big around I had to suffer and sort of learned the tough stuff to be prepared to deal with all of it now and now not blink when something tough happens. He's like okay sort of seen this before. Now we're set up for success. We're having this problem. There's some personality issue here but we've done this before I did this one. I was learning. Yeah I don't want live in you know I don't want to live in the fear of of not being able to figure that stuff out. You want to make bold choices. You WanNa make creative choices you WANNA. You WanNa be thinking at the level ten in level twelve of your of your ideas not the lowest common denominator. I gut instincts you know and so but I don't think we know what we are until we play you know until we try and fail and people off like that. Just get dirty with figure UNSEE. It's sort of like you know we're just not all meant to to be in the same together. That's okay that's totally cool. It's like there are people who they'll find that I'll find and this sort of our our our work partners you know and they were projects. I took just because they were shooting in a place. I'd never been wanted to go but I didn't necessarily super connect with the script and I said well that's a redeeming quality of this thing so I'll just do turn out to be fantastic and now I know what a travel job is. Looks like now in Do this and I don't deal with Scandinavian sunlight. It's know how to do so. Yeah all of its all of. Its good okay all right. So you've missed these e. Start working on freelance. When you come out of you see you. Have the heart shattering discovery that you are not the line. You are still part of the kingdom. You're working on your projects there. So what happens when you start taking freelance projects This is a stage that I think a lot of people lose their way in our get stuck in Boston. I know a lot of people that are listening. I'm probably aspiring. Dp's to some degree. That feel like they're working on projects with the review. Not Happy with what's happening here for you while in school. I was taking as many jobs as I could in summer sessions so I would work as a camera assistant or camera interns work for free. If I could get my cell phone sets so I could start to see how actually works when you've got a crew. That's that's got a man make a day and so when I got out of out of school I had enough phone calls. I could make record say can I? Can I come and work as a camera assistant so they could make some money but also knowing that I wasn't ever going to be taken seriously as a DP if I didn't keep shooting and I've been told that many times as soon as people start to identify you in a certain role? It's hard to on identifying right so I didn't want to be known as a camera assistant more than I want to be as a DP so I kept shooting student films for friends that had graduated yet or people had been recommended to. Didn't they probably didn't pay well even though this was yet they didn't the work is what is kind of paying the bill which were kind of putting a foot in the ground saying keeping even if it's done. I don't WanNa do for even if it's stuff that doesn't sustain at that point in the student film. World I had started to only take the ones that offered me something that hadn't done before nice or or or for in a student film sense a higher profile opportunity. Whether again location or I was I was thinking about collaborations as well because USC does have the benefit of having some very talented directors who've got a shot at pitching something that turns into a feature or developing their their. You know some of them already had agents because they were. They had made a student film that was his. Yeah Gosh okay all right I mean I think I think that I think that the agencies in that sense they still operate that way today. They're taking a shot then. I'm making a promise you know. They're let's get you now while you're hungry and if you work out we got you. If you don't we'll let you go you know. There's no risk and the agencies to go sort of hunting described the film schools and find the ones that are sort of popping a little bit not there May. They're making a safe bet and and I was too. I was sort of going after some of those who I thought would maybe be somebody. I'd like to work with later so I did that for a little while and while doing that was thinking. Oh I've gotta get an agent because of an agent. Then how. Am I ever going to get a job? And even though all my mentors were saying you'll get an agent when you're ready when they come to you you'll be ready. Everyone says yes and nobody wants to hear. I didn't believe it. Everybody says that and nobody wants to hear. I was so arrogant about that. I guess there's no I'm who's GonNa go get an agent. You'll get a bill to repeal that Senate agencies and they're you know they're going to say look how good you are and like. I was still thinking that was a positive. And then once you get never everything's GonNa Change All. That is false all of that into the room. You're going to big project scripts on the table check in the mail just as from the agency. I ghetto false. Yeah Yeah and so I spent. I spent a decent amount of time at that time it was. Dvd's sending DVD's agencies saying checkup my work and I love to take a meeting. Not a single one ever responded to any of the and so it was just like everybody told me. It's like you're wasting your time. Just shoot and to do the work. And when you're ready they'll combined you and in the meanwhile the Pennsylvania doubt is always boiling up. It's like a turnover of water. Take but I just kept kept Shooting looking for for people now. What turned out to be very true. That the the relationships that I had had been a part of in school all led work all the projects. I didn't WanNa do the project I did want to do. They were all the one of the project they mentioned. I I had. I gone away to shoot this little short for a friend in school and The the crew in New York. That wasn't even film school crew. They were. They were also young professionals. Who had come at the business? Just wanting to make indies making little movie in New York and put me in the mix and I probably had no business being put in the mix because they're New York like good. Nyu they can find you ever. Are you pulling me away from? That was my first movie. And I made very little and and rented a little apartment with the gaffer in the key group and we all slept in like on couches and Judd and just sort of were going to do our best and I was super nervous about it and from that moment it was all little little indies that were all connections back to film school in one way or another. It was somebody who said. Oh you should maybe give this guy call and you're making this two hundred thousand dollar Indian. That's passed around times at this point. Yeah and then and then it was just stringing enough together to keep paying bills and keep stay connected and and then Eventually turn out to be that thing where I met with an agent who said no but that said maybe you should talk to this person who said Oh. Why don't you come along for meeting? And then you can touch this person and I was connected with my agent. Who is still major today? And he's he's fantastic. He's a close friend so that that part of it was all very true. When did you notice that things started picking up steam? So I mean I I would say especially when I look at the credits for the past five years man dude. Things have been picking up really fast actually in terms of the work that you're doing you're directing now which is amazing But obviously there's that gap right and that gap is the thing that everyone wants to talk about the difficult thing. When did it search turn for you or was there ever a turn? I think that my my goal or my hope I should say was that I would be a part of movies that had terrific performances and that sort of resonate with audiences that it wasn't just about making movies. Whatever they were that it was something that I would. WanNa Watch myself and does not always the case but I got lucky from the start to work with some cast who elevated those projects from from something that that may otherwise have disappeared and they did disappear so I don't mean to say that they're well known movies but because the cast made them relevant in their little moment to shine a film festival. It was possible to translate that into another film like it so in my first ten years I been a part of some indies in some some smart talented directors. Who were who were making a go at some stuff and Brendan Gleeson and Melissa Leo? Emmy Rossum and Zach Gilford like and that was that was great and and I'd say it took a turn when I made a film called beautiful boy which was directed by Shawn Ku. Did a terrific job and an is still close friend and a that. That one was the one that made me say I. I WanNa make more like this and I haven't actually made movies like that net particular genre in that sort of Space Netflix. Things took a hard pivot towards world. David they moved but in a way have were all opportunities that came from that now around beautiful boy was also doing other. Indies like a brotherhood and Ninety six minutes there were all sorts of Grit Yiddish. You know hand held like slice of life sobering thrillers dramas with guest. The the horror that came to me sought that approach. The ones that came to me wanted something that felt a little more earnest or natural they wanted. I describe it that a lot of the filmmakers I work with our humanists which is not an easy thing to do. When you making horror movies you know it was going to say which which would horror. Well Hor fan is looking it being like. Yeah this guy you know I. I think it started with started simultaneously and I didn't know at the time that they were simultaneous. But I take an a meeting with Trevor macy and Scott Lumpkin at intrepid on a different project. The didn't go my way. And then they brought me back in to meet with Mike Flanagan and Mike is that guy like Mike's Mike's Humanist in and he he wanted something that that wasn't scary scary sake he. She wants stories that are about trauma and personal demons and specifically childhood trauma that then becomes something in adult life and just didn't want it to be spooky for spooky sick you know and I actually don't have this. This encyclopedic study of horror films. In general I didn't you exempt coming from human angle of you know okay. This is the story with the Tel homes. I like aren't aren't raw horse horror. It's not have seen very little of that. It's just not not my interest. Yes and so you know as a Kid. Movies scared me were poltergeist and You know and things. I shouldn't have seen like the exorcist or like the shining but family family. Yeah they were Sam families in trauma and and so I was drawn to that and at the same time had made movie with Blunt House and And at that time lionsgate which connect me with Jason Blum and Matt Kaplan and Robin Marshall All producers who also sought something similar in their work and that was the beginning of that part of my my journey. And it's it's come back around to that because now the work that that I'm doing in January with Mike is far more drama than horror. Absolutely that's Hill House. Yeah Actually Watch Hill House and I think a lot of people go into it expecting you know almost like a James Wani economy very jump scary kind of traditional horror. Talk about this but learn. Learn all the time. She's always talking about how she doesn't like horror but she loves the show and she loves the show because of everything that I think you're talking about because it has horror elements in it but at the heart of it. It's it's it's a family drome and the genre affords us that. That's the thing I didn't quite realize. Is that the genre special? Because you can tackle some some tough themes in some some tough human realities in the wrapper of the of biesecker natural or or being scared. Go Story and I and I appreciate that very much. What the genre does because going back to beautiful boy? Beautiful boy handle goes after that stuff but it's right on the surface it is. It is what you are watching is real life and it is hard to watch and I strongly think people should encounter that and confronted in the way that twenty one grams did or Marino babble It's right up there. You know but John. The genre the horror genre particular. I think can make you deal with that stuff while you think you're watching something else in his pretty special. It's a bird it's a subversive you're sneaking it into their someone's coming into here. It's a comedy where you go in expecting a certain type of joined enjoyment like this a good thing now for sure I want to jump into Hill House but first before I do that I feel like I'd be missing something and say of course you're directing a film and and it's really exciting to hear but So what what happened in this jump here? So you came in you. Want to be a DP What was the big change? I mean we have of course Tallboy loved when did when did the opportunity is. Well I know I I had a actually. Se I stayed an extra year at SC. Because I'd read this little short story. The good friend wrote and I fell in love with the short story and it was about. It was about An American high school student named Karen who goes to Japan on a foreign exchange for all the wrong reasons. She goes to get away from problems at home. Not because she wanted to study the culture or language to humanist family drama obviously the dots connected to the credit. Some real like these things connect but I think talking to. You makes perfect sense now. I am drawn to that I am. I am drawn to the really quiet simple moments that sort of drive us And the and the scary things keeps up at night aren't necessarily ghost. They're they're the fears. We have about our relationships or about our past that we have things we have result and in that story Karen Karen. It's a coming of age story. Very much transforms her because of because of her being immersed into another family's life and she can't speak the language and anyway so so I had directed before and loved it but still understood that my sort of first passion was cinematography in and working with directors. Something I loved so I? That's what I went after when I got out of school and hadn't pursued directing but over the years have been sent scripts from various producers saying. Hey we see usually somebody had worked with. They say we see potential under some stuff. We're trying to pair up. Are you interested in these offerings? While you were still shooting. Yeah amazing interest. You know and I don't know that they do for sure would have gotten it or anything like that too. But it's still there. Yeah I think that my work as a DP is very much to to support the director's vision and elevate it and understand story and character and structure. That's how I access the cinematography. It's never first question is never what should it look like the first question for me is what is the scene about? What is our core dramatic drive Where we coming from where we going. Where do we end up and once? Those explorations are real. I can then have a real discussion with director about how they picture the movie and Some directors no and they say this is what how I you know we made before I fall with FRY Russo. Young and Rye absolutely knows what she wants the thing to look like she knows frames she cares about how things feel and where it fits shoes since music like she's she she can picture her moving And that is a gift you know to cinematographer to have a director whose gotten all the the pieces aligned and then can bring all the department heads in and and an assist. In that way you know and Flanagan's like that you know Julia Hart is like the directors that just know exactly what they want with like such detail. Yeah that it's easy to be able to collaborate it with them because they have such a strong vision. Yeah and what's not just easy to clever. It's that you get to the deeper ideas faster and sometimes you don't even get to those other ideas when you're starting so far back when you start at zero and you've got to define how we're going to communicate what this thing looks like what it's about why we're here. What locations meant to do for a scene like that when you have to explore that define it labeled it then you start doing shots you sometimes. Don't get to the higher level stuff because you just ran out of time you know that. There's a finite amount of time for and this is why it sounds like you pick projects already on the same page of people on you have a shorthand communication. You have shorthand incense style. You can get to that. You know that that that middle point faster than if being like who is this person. How do we start to talk? What is this about in the first place? Does this person like this sense You Save Time there. Let me save you. Save Time and in your work gets better. You're you're able to elevate you know like with with Mike and I we step in on day one of prep. It's twenty steps in from the minute you start the clock. You're just like okay. You start relentless dot left off. Yeah and we were constantly trying to improve the process and elevate the work. I love people. Think about filmmaking as a As a as an ongoing project in they don't think about it as like a somewhat project management to a certain degree there so there's a very efficient Emphasis on efficiency and I think people don't think about they think about it as this creative you know the skill making signs and their head type thing comes out looking perfect yet. It's it's a business at the end of the day it is to some degree about. How do I work the best with the people that I have and get the most progress and goes deep and elevated as much as I can in the final amount of time and resources that we have you described a way better than than I could have that by the way you describe it? You're trying to say your words you said told me these are your idea you said it. You said it perfectly That we spend a great deal of time going after that the marriage and without discarding the the creative arc. Because there's danger in being so organized that you're you start to condition your thought process to efficiency and and then you go away. I I need to come up with ideas. 'cause I've made this plan work really well and I and I can get through a day but I got I got US carve out three hours of my day turn on music and close my eyes or just flip through a photo booker. Some paintings in next inspire. And that's so this is what I love about. Cinematography is that it in. My view is the perfect marriage of of technology and business and creativity. And it's it all times they have to be imbalanced and if at any point one starts to take over the other than it gets a little funky and that's this constant game in my head that I'm on a daily basis. I'm playing that game. I'm playing the in my looking at it with my creative mind right now or am I just trying to get it done in ten minutes and stop myself. It's you know being a being present for what's actually happening. I loved that as it's bouncing the art attack in the business. Because you're right I know. Dp's that come in are very technically focused and love using the toys and like it's almost like when they come onto stance about playing with legos. And there's somebody because I couldn't care less about technology there's some people that are coming in practical. Yeah Yeah I I. I actually don't love the technology I think it's it's a it's a tool and I like I like the tool but I don't want to be stuck with it. And what other reason. I think Mike and I work so well together. Is We like having everything in front of us when we're working so we try not to rely too much on visual effects. We we try to have the sets. We try to have the prosthetics. We try to have the the weather the special effects or whatever it is that's interacting with the characters and the environment it. We want it physically present and that has a great deal of immediate contribution you focus on the larger themes than the details. How are we doing right? There's a shot doctor sleep. Where we're Dan has lost labral and goes back to his room and he's sitting on the floor and he's able to somehow find the courage and the strength to push away. You know those alcoholic voices that are calling him the demons and he closes his eyes and he listens and then he hears her and that and then he's able to pull himself in into her Space and connect to her and then he slides the visual representation of that is Mike Master at sort of taking these these visual representations of of transport and he slides down the floor into the chalkboard. And we'd spent you know a month trying to figure. Are we putting this on a Jimbo? Like what are we doing with this so that it it looks right? And the end of the day we put you in McGregor on a wire and we rotated the camera on a ninety degree head in sync with the poll and had a light outside the window that just went from low to high to represent the ninety degree turn and then just painted out the wire. There was no gamble. There is no it was it was the lowest five list. It was the simplest possible thing and that that we kind of simple as is good to talk about because some of those special transportation or some of the clips that we want to talk about for Hill House L. Wrap it up with really this question here. The question that I always like to ask people is if you could go back and you know anymore. Send behind us only becomes a portal and you walk through it and you're like man. This is some Weird Hill. How stuff that's going on you walk through and all of a sudden you see a young Mike sitting there in Ohio just got all of his rejection letters and going to penn state and the the crippling doubt is there and it stronger than ever But you only have a couple of minutes to be there. What advice would you give him I would I would? It's a great question. I think that I I view that the answer to that the way that my my parents handled it in particular. You know my my mom and I'm a parent now and they didn't flinch. Yeah they didn't they didn't think the world was ending and they believed in me because they knew I believed it and they said we'll figure it out and I think that's that was the best leadership by example was that they didn't they weren't scared so yes. I was nervous but underneath all that anxiety. I wasn't scared either because I had because they backed me up and I think one foot in front of the other was the message that they were giving me. You know just like I do this and see what happens when you do that. And see what happens and and I still operate that way and that that was a gift they gave him an i. I would give that to my kids to like. That's you might not see it right now but don't give up that's life that's worked cinematography. That's horrible disasters will happen and just don't flinch and that's a part of the process. I love it okay. Cool well Mike thank you so much for joining us. I'm excited to the hill house Really excited about this. Of course if you're listening of course we also have a video version. We're GONNA be talking about but Again Mike Thank you so much. Sir Concludes Upset. Thirty eight of the PODCAST. Thank you so much to Michael visiting US breaking down these horror films with us. Don't forget got video with Michael. 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#71 Building Your Business is like Building Your Body

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#71 Building Your Business is like Building Your Body

"What is going on squad? Welcome to the James is make money on my podcast. The number one show for you want to make more money change more. Oh people's lives and have more of an impact on the world although spending thousands of dollars on a website or even paid at my name's Brian Mark and I've been all my fitness coach for four years and in my four years coaching. I helped over one thousand. Online fitness clients completely transform their lives and in the last year I decided to start stepping up and sharing my knowledge with personal trainers on how I hi quit my job and I took my business online. In last year I helped over one hundred trainers quit their jobs and take their businesses fulltime online. So if you're brand new hear them welcome. I have a Free Free Ebo for you. That talks about how my clients ten game month with ministry. I'm stores with your name all you gotta do. DM ME on instagram. That's at Mark Fit and I will send you your guide on how my client make ten thousand dollars a month instagram stories. Now let's get into showed what is going on the trainers. It's your boy. Mafia coming back with another episode of the chains is make money on the podcast. And I'm super excited to be bringing you this episode. This one is all about how building your business is like building your body so this is awesome because I think that in terms of online trading. It's pretty common for all my trainers to be looking for some straight so a lot of us are looking for the best ways nice to get clients and the most effective strategies to land clients and the types of content. You need to awesome social media. And we're missing a lot of the marks right but the truth is like all. My training is like a system system. It's like construction of habits. All My fitness coaching is really understanding. Like which habits are GonNa move your needle forward and which ones are GonNa move your needle backwards and understand the right way so I was just having a conversation with one of my clients. His name's Lamar and the MAR is an IFP prell and he's a bodybuilder. So Lamar and I were having a conversation about how he was struggling to grow your business and you know some of the things he was going to recently and when I was talking to Lamar basically you're saying man like I'm really struggling with knowing which types of content and the post. I'm really struggling with understanding how active I need to be a my social media really struggling with understanding how to generate leads which calls to action to do and I'm not really sure where I should organize folks my time so I had a conversation with the Marin I was like Dude Building Your Business Building your body so the only way you get to an pro level is if you are you understand the construction of what it goes into building a world class physique and that construction building a world class physique is comes down to nutrition plant so what you eating on a consistent regular basis it also comes down to the work Michael Plant so like what is your workout and how are you actively participating in the gyms make sure that you're getting gates it also comes down to your discipline and you actually being able to follow the system follow strategy and get the best results so but thought interesting for a second. I want to talk about how if it is draining relates to business journey. And I'm going to give you guys some practical examples for how this applies to building in your business so inefficient attorney. I think all my trainers we understand that. You cannot get Jack by going to the gym watts right. It just doesn't work and you don't get jacked by going to the gym per week. We understand that you go through a complete physical transformation. Let's say you know you have a claim just twenty pounds overweight for that client to lose that twenty pounds. What needs to happen is that client needs to? I hear to a specific meal plan for a period of time that client also needs to get the workout habits down. Rights have been easy to be going to the gym consistently up sears and they need to be accountable right so they need to be checking with themselves and making sure that they're actually making progress on a consistent basis so with building your business right with building your business. I think that what happens a lot of times. The Finnish coaches is only Vince coaches are looking to get the best strategy just looking to get the best results so what they do is they're like okay. So I'm GonNa make my posting social social media and then I'm going to make our post then. I'm going to wait for people to respond. And then hopefully it gets a client right and then most on Venice coaches are looking at the short-term so they'll make you post for a week and then they'll get a little bit of traction maybe get one or two clients to reach out. And they'll judge their success of their business based on whether or not they had clients reach out but the truth abyss that your business has systems just like building your body mass systems. So let's talk about a workout split right so if you're in the gym and your training you want to build a body if you want to build a physique oracle split looks like maybe you're doing Mondays Push Tuesday's poll Wednesdays Thursdays. Fridays poll. Now you want to organize structure your league like this so that you can see progressive overload so you can see some consistent gains in the gym because if you start to structure and organize your week like this. What's going to happen is over a period of time for weeks? You're going to see Lisa progress on the scale and in the mirror your body will start to change right now. Let's talk about so not just the workout plan. That's talked about initial plan while you're doing your work plan. You also need to be dialing in your attrition right so you need to understand how many Mac os your body needs to be consuming. Or maybe you do like Aikido project Fasting whatever your approach is we need to understand you need to understand how much poaching carbs fascinated to be eating and then from that understanding need to be executing on that on a consistent basis making sure you're doing your best to take your daily macro targets and if your macro targets are on point and you're starting to see progress arrested that's awesome so if your goal is to gain muscle than you need to be eating more calories or below Selena bruce body fat scouters so in Your Business. The way this works is there is a certain structure how you run your business on assistant a weekly basis and so typically what. I usually my trainers. It's like Mondays when you spend you know creating you're content Tuesdays when you spend generating leads Wednesdays when you spend like doing your program updates reclines Thursdays. Usually when you're checking with your clients and varieties when you're doing your meal class so the work of split can be related to how you structure your week as an on Venice coach now. The reason this is important is if you miss a day in the gym right. It's going to affect your progress progress on the scale and in the mirror. It's GonNa Affect the way that you love right just like if you miss a day if you miss your content creation bay as fitness coach then you're also going to miss out on generating generating leads. You'RE GONNA miss out on the potential client. You could reach up throughout the week and you're not gonNA have enough clients because not putting yourself out there so the system of how do you organize your week and how you structure it on it. Fits coach also applies to build your business. Now let's talk about the nutrition fight right so the nutrition plan if you are on the way that works is approaching carbs fats and then you hit those approaching carbs and bats on a consistent and regular basis. Because if you do that what's going to happen is you're going to start to change now. This applies to how you're creating your content so as a content creator as a business coach. What absolutely needs to happen as an engine creator is you need to be creating three different types of content? You need to be creating social proof so like your audience can actually actually he that you're working with clients in. They're getting amazing results. You also need to be creating connection hosts so you need to be writing posts that are just like based on purely connecting with your audience. So like who you are what you're about and some lifestyle outside of fitness that your audience can build a better relationship with you and you need to be creating value right so you need to be creating value for the marketplace understanding who your Avatar avatars and then putting valuable content. It's going to serve your Avatar. So let's talk about how connection proven value applies to protein carbs fats. Let's say you're on a journey and your chocolate macos and you eat like an excessive amount of fat. You eat an excessive amount of. That's going to affect the way that your physique look in the mirror. Just like if you're an only finished goes in all your poking cooking out is value and there's no social group and there's no connection then what's going to happen is going to have a significant difference and how you're operating your business. Do not going to get as many clients reach out to you like an adventure. You won't look in the mirror and on a business journey you're not gonNA have as many clients reach out to you okay. So are you guys understanding the parallels building. Your Business Nisa like building your body. The last thing I really want to touch on an hammer home is the importance of habits. Like if you are on a fitness journey and you are drinking on a consistent basis and you're you know you're not drinking your water intake and you're not getting enough sleep these there's some habits will be super detrimental or your fitness journey Overtime what's going to happen is you're not gonNA work. You're going to be lazy. You'RE GONNA sock off and over time. You're just not going to get results so in your business journey if you're forgetting to post on social media or oh you're forgetting to get back to clients or you're not getting on the call of your prospects or you're not closing prospect. Some phone these are all bad habits that will lead you not being successful in your business attorney. I think that the best sort of parallel that I can really tie between building your body and building a business is that if you are expecting short-term results in your business you're you're gonNA be met with a lot of disappointment and I think this is where a lot of just go just go wrong like yes. It's possible to sign a few clients need. Yes possible side like ten fifteen cleansing first couple months. But but if that's the only metric that you're measuring success than you're doing it wrong. Because in a fitness journey it takes time to see progress right. You need to be working out consistently over time time and over time if you're putting in the right work if you're following tricia plant is designed by somebody smart you following a good workout program is designed for your body. Your body's going to start to see changes this and so in your business you have to relate it to the same way you have to follow a good system. That's designed to get you to get clients. You have to be executing on that system on a consistent regular basis and you have to trust the process with building your business. You have to understand that it's going to take time. So does this make sense on a coach. If you are tuning SPA gas right now. Give me like a silent head on every watching on facebook and instagram right now wants to give video like if you are falling on. This is crystal clear we cannot be expecting to see quick results in online business. Business if we don't have the habits great because just like Vegas Journey. It's not necessarily about the results that were able to create on a Finnish journey. But it's about the person that we become on a Finnish already because as we start to execute we become more disciplined and we become more consistent. We actually become different people. We become more integral we. We become more disciplined. We become more committed so on a business journey. You have to understand the exact same thing building. Your Business is like building your body. You have to have the same sort of discipline the same consistency. The same sort of focus seem sort of effort. Could be really WANNA see long term results and only fitness coach. I hope you tell your clients that like this is going to take time. And it's going to be a process process only coach I hope you're not selling restrictive diets to your clients. Because if you're selling a restrictive diet what's going to happen is people are going to read out or they're going to rebound and they're going to go back to the same place. They started so on a journey. It's the exact same thing if you post a couple of weeks and you get three to four clients then all of a sudden you stop hosting and you become a ghost because oh I signed client. That's awesome like if you just stop working out. You stop getting games so you stop posting. We stop being consistent if you stop. Put being diligent if you stop putting an effort then you stop seeing gains. That's it another thing. I want to talk about as quick fixes right. Because a lot of business coaches have beliefs idea like. Yeah like man. I don't have to hustle. I just got a bill facebook ads and then once facebook ads. And it's going to come guys fucking a reality check for you all right so if you're trying to build it on my business that's completely automated where you don't have to do shit and you are in the wrong niece you're in the wrong fucking market because we're in the service delivery business business. If you're on the coach you're supposed to be creating value for your audience. Creating value equals you getting clients. And so if you're looking for a quick fix in your business and you're looking for that fad in diet pill it's going to help us fifteen thousand week it doesn't exist and any of these business coaches that are selling you like. Oh all you gotta do is create one ad and then everything else is like. It doesn't exist. It's not real. It's fake yes. Ads Do work overtime. But you have to get good working hats and you have to work the system and got to spend a bunch of money figuring it out so no matter what you you do no matter what system you have to be willing to put in the work just like a fitness journey right. You can't skip the gym and expect look different way. Doesn't work like that. So only fitness coach. I hope you're listening to podcasts. I hope you understand that building. Your Business is like building your body all right so you have to have a good system you have to be following a system that you trust of you hire business. Coach that sucks if you hire bisness coach. That doesn't have a proven track record. If you hire finish codes that read one workout magazine. Never selling business programs. You're probably not going to get results right so just like a business journey. You hire a business coach at has a shitty system. You're not going to get results so you can work hard all you want. You're still not going to get results. You're working part of the wrong direction. So just like the fitness journey on my business. I hope you guys are understanding this. Because I'm tying parallel because most of my coaches get fitness. Guys get it so think about your business like a fitness journey any. Would you hire a fitness coach. That was back no so should you hire business coach. That doesn't run a successful business. No would you hire finish coast. That doesn't have a proven track quicker getting clients results. Like you WANNA get no so. Don't hire business coach. That doesn't have a proven track record of results right inefficient attorney. Can You skip the gym. And and get results no so a business journey. Can you skip doing the work and get clients. No it doesn't work like that. So business during you gotTA create content. You've got to be putting yourself out there. You gotta be consistently showing up for the marketplace. Just like in a business journey you've got to be consistently showing up for the gym consistently putting the work consistently doing your cardio all right so only finished. Go thank you so communing in this is the change lives. Make money podcast. I got value to this episode. If you didn't get to this episode and you're loving the content. I'm going to give you a chance to win a thousand dollars cash so on February. Very Twenty eight twenty twenty. I'm going to be giving another thousand dollars to my listeners. I just want to thank you. so much was ordinary podcast. I think this month so far. Five thousand downloads which already beat last ones download. The podcast is consistently growing. 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Q&A Christian Yoga, Spiritual Formation, Calvinism & Evangelism, and more

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Q&A Christian Yoga, Spiritual Formation, Calvinism & Evangelism, and more

"Knowing you why you believe and why you believe that why is at the very heart of Christian experience worship. And everyday living the bible not about you. You're not David trouble in life is not Goliath Jesus is going to be David shadow Goliath is going to be sending death that make you then to make you the Israelites kill all of. That's exactly who you are. What is your only comfort in life and death? But I was body and soul life and death and not my own but belong to my faithful saver Jesus crimes. Gospel is God the son freely agreed to die. Our death for us to suffer are deserve condemnation in doom in our place, and he didn't just agree from trinity to do it. He actually did it. It is fatal fatal for us to think that we could ever move on from the gospel. Great problem and even Jellicoe church today with scripture is concerned as Aaronson of the bible, the great problem. And even elegant shirts today is the sufficiency of scripture. We don't think it's sufficient the do what we have to do. So we have to wake up. What's happening recognize the problem really is our lack of the all legit. Hi, welcome to the algae gals. I am Coleen sharp. And my co host is Angela Whitehorn and periodically. We like to do a question and answer episode just because questions will come in a a lot of you listeners right in and say, hey, can you talk about this? And sometimes it's things that are great for a full episode. And sometimes it's things that are great for our question and answer episodes, maybe not something for a full episode. In fact, we'll be doing an episode soon on Hebrew roots. Because somebody message us and said can you please do an episode on Hebrew roots? And so we do that. And so to our listeners Email us at the algae gals at Jamal dot com. If you ever have topic suggestions because we get a lot of great topic suggestions from our listeners. So we're grateful for that. So Angela view do. Doing alright tonight. I sure and I'm like, I gotta bring Angela in his I am. Oh boy. It has been I feel like I've lived a lot of life in the past couple of days yesterday morning. I was taking one of my kids to school, and I got in a car accident less than a block from my house on the way to school. Oh, no. Yes. It's exactly how to start your day. It's what everyone. Everyone's okay. Yes. Everyone is. Okay. The wonderful part about this is that I just bought this car three weeks ago. So. Yeah. And is it is going to be something fixable. Well, I just went today to the shop to meet with the insurance adjuster, and it is going to be fixable. However, it they wouldn't let me leave with the car. I thought that I was going to drive home in my car and just keep it until they ordered the parts and got them in. And they said, oh, you can't leave. This is do not drive. Wow. They give you a rental car. They got us home. And since we own two cars in both of our cars have car seats. And my husband happens to be out of town on a business trip. That's gonna last about a week. And it's going to take about a week for my car to get fixed. And they told me that they can start work on it immediately. So it is perfect timing. You know, no one wants to have these sorts of things happen. However, I was just thankful for the Lord's provisions that you know, we do have insurance I'm thankful for that. We have money available to pay the deductible, and I'm thankful for that. And the timing has worked out I do have another vehicle to drive that has carseat. So my kids can be in it, and they're going to fix my car, even before my husband gets home from his trip. Probably. So as far as going through something irritating and difficult. It is working out about as easily as I could ask for. So I'm so thankful for that price. God for his provisions and keeping a safe and caring for us even in the annoying little details of day to day. So we bought a brand new car about a month. After we got married. I didn't have a vehicle 'cause prior to us getting married, my employer provided a vehicle, and so we needed a new vehicle, and I would I don't buy new cars now by little us. But we were young and maybe not super wise. And so we bought this brand new car, and it was a stick shift. So we were in a parking lot five days after we bought it was going to be my car. But my husband, you know, when the two of us are together, you know, to this day, he does the driving. So he'd never driven a stick shift. So we went to like a big parking lot. And I'm teaching him. How to drive a stick shift, and he is doing really well and some lady cuts straight through the parking lot. Like nine at night and just side swipes us. And so and that was a big mess. And then she says to us, please, please, please don't call insurance. If I get in one more accident, and we listened, and it was just a big mess. She we took, but we took the car to our mechanic, and he wrote up a list of everything that needed to be done to fix the car. And she rewrote the list and sent it back to him with a new estimate calls us and says who is this lady, and we told her we can call insurance if you'd prefer. No, no, no, no, no. Now, I'll pay it. And she had a convertible Mercedes. So, but she wanted to she said, well, they don't need this, and they don't need this. And you know, anyways, it was it was lots of lots of fun. How imagine being this much of an expert at getting into car accidents? That's right. I'm I'm certainly glad that this is not a common experience survey. Wow. Yeah. I don't think I've. Been in an accident since then than that, I can recall. So that's that's good. I don't think I in my recollection. I don't think I've ever been in an accident when I was driving. I have a couple of other times. But both of the other times the last time I was in a car accident was probably around ten years ago. And both of the other times that I have been in car accidents when I was driving. I was just in the middle of a larger multi-car pile up during rush hour traffic that happened to me two different times. That's not fun. Yes. Very irritating. Because yeah. Well, I I wanted to tell our listeners just because in the event you hear some background noise. My dog is sitting with me because I met my parents house right now recording. And so I keep her in the room. I'm staying in. And the the reason I'm at my parents house is is because we have to get some things fixed in our home. So I'm over here. And so usually I put the dog out, but I don't trust her be at my parents, how we trust jersey to be an honorary theology gals coast. Right. But she may bark or. Well, we've gotten them no questions today. She may have something to add. That's right. She's trying to climb on top of the computer right now. So if for those who don't know I have a Boston terrier named jersey. I didn't name her actually my best friend. She used to breed Boston terriers, and she called me one day and said I wanna give you a dog. And she's just been a great companion for me. And but she she likes to be touched like twenty four seven. She has to be like up next to me all the time. And should we say she has she has no personal space, and she goes boundary issues. She so me, she so my arm, and that's right. So, you know, this first question, I know that we have people in this situation. But she wanted to us to talk about she's in a situation where her husband is in a job. And he misses church every other month or so and her husband is a police officer. And so, you know, things like a police officer a nurse. There are positions that are works of necessity and mercy and police officer is definitely one of those things, but you can imagine Angela, you know, on the on the rare times that your husband's gone over a Sunday. It's a lot of work going to church with you. And the kids know I'm not having your husband there to to help out with that. And I think what she really wanted us to talk about is how to grow together spiritually, you know, she does. Doesn't have her husband there every other month with her at church, and she really wants some input and some wisdom on how she can grow with her husband spiritually. Well, I think that a couple of things come to my mind, of course, praying together daily and family worship those things. Come to my mind. I would also wonder if it would be possible that if there has an evening service to go to a different service together, or you know, I know that we have a lot of ladies in our group who go to larger churches that may may have a mid week service. If there's some other kind of service that they could go to together, I would suggest that too, but really prayer together reading the word together family worship. That would be my suggestion. You know, we've always done family worship. And so before we had children we would. We started out just reading through the bible, and then we would read the table, talk and devotional if you aren't for those who aren't familiar that said devotional through ligonier. And I think you can even get it right on your phone or tablet now too. And we would read through those together. And then read they had read through the bible in a year that went along with table talk. And there's a lot of even if you don't have a lot of time. There's a lot of short devotional. There's times that my husband, and I have done Spurs morning and evening or just on the evening and will read it together before Batum pray. And so I think something that you do on a daily basis like that really really is a spiritual a time of of growing together. Spiritually, absolutely. So I think things like that. And you know, I know I should probably mention real quick family worship. I know that we've had people say. You talk about family worship. And and really we we really did cater family worship to the children. We kind of looked at it as a practice for church worship. And so it's time for the kids to sit and listen. And you know, if you if you don't do family, worship, I it doesn't have to be long and extensive for when our kids got older probably did a little bit more. We would saying a summer ham and go over whatever catechism questions kids were doing and maybe talk about that. And they got older we read through the bible, and you know, it doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be hard or difficult. It's it it can be very simple. And you know, when if you don't have children just finding even if it's just right before bad, even if it's a devotional that takes five minutes. I think that that can be helpful. And you know, I would add to that. You know, if you're doing. Family worship. And you have kids, and you are catering that to the kids I think it can be helpful for couples who want are wanting to grow further together to spend time themselves, even after the kids are in bed or just different time listening to a podcast or reading the word together or reading a book together and having something to discuss together that is sort of driving the conversation. So that you don't have so many things going on that you feel like you have to plan a lesson four, and that sort of thing, I think it can be very helpful to couples to just spend time together talking about what are you learning right now? What are you studying? What are you reading? Yeah. That's a great idea. Angela 'cause a lot of times my husband at night. That's what we'll talk about. You know, something we're reading and learning and things like that. So. I think if you get in the habit of it, it just becomes part of your life to discuss these things or or maybe if you know, if your church records the sermon even if your husband can't be there. He's able to listen to it. And then you guys talk about it. Absolutely. So we have a lot of a lot of gals in our group, and this one came from our group with a lot of gals in our group that are newer to reform theology, especially the ecclesial Aji, and and just the church government. And so someone asked what is the difference between a teaching and a ruling elder? Yeah. That's a great question. In in my denomination PCA. We do have teaching elders and ruling elders in the way that I understand the difference. A teaching elder is ordained and licensed to preach the word in the gathered assembly. And a ruling elder is not. And I the way that I understand this as well as their ordination exams that a teaching elder we'll have to take and. I do think that a ruling elder is examined as well. But the the level of examination is very very different. So this is from the OPEC church website. And I don't know how the P C M Opie see are different. There are some small differences, but this site and says in the Presbyterian church is both ruling and teaching elders are ordained that is they are specially set apart for holy duties. Although it's what a teaching elder goes through is is very different than what a ruling elder. He's he goes to to seminary, and he's examined theologically e a lot more than a ruling elder would be. And it says we believe in parody or equality of the elder ship. Sometimes ruling elder do exhort the people from the word and teaching elders regularly participate in government governing the congregation, but a teaching elder specifically, he's a minister. Of the word and a lot of times the ruling elders are just right from among the laity. They're not they're not paid. They didn't go to seminary. And so they teach teach the word of God. It's usually often there fulltime jobs, sometimes you have by vocational teaching elders to and smaller churches or trips plants, and it's it is it been different for you. I don't know what kind of church government that you were accustomed to Angela before becoming reform before becoming reformed. We were always at Baptist churches that would have been independent. Never we for a time where a part of an x twenty nine church. So you know, that's a part of a network, but still the churches are autonomous and independent. And so there was not this distinction of teaching elder and ruling elder. I don't. Recall ever having been to a church before being at a reformed church. I don't recall ever having been at a church before this that required this level of ordination to be what we call a teaching elder certainly many of the pastors that I have been under have a seminary education. But the kind of ordination where you're being examined against a standard for your theology. By a a group who has also already ordained against the same standard. That's very very different than in autonomous Baptist churches, especially the ones that I've been in for my experience it's much more. Like the church itself may come up with a search committee. Maybe they've got their statement of faith, and they're just going to interview this pastoral candidate, and you're going to be hired or not hired and then as far as elders go. Oh, it is up to the, you know, honestly, most of the church is I've ever been in you know, to become an elder. It's hey this Sunday were nominating elders. Put somebody's name in the offering plate. If you think that they are a good candidate. And then, you know, a couple of weeks later, the names are in the bulletin, and it is hey, everybody. Here's the names that are up for elder. If you know any reason why they are not qualified based on the qualifications in the scripture. Let somebody know and then another few weeks go by and then it's hey, we haven't heard anybody object to these guys. So now, we're going to vote on their names. And so in fact, it becomes that. In general, the congregation comes up with the names and determines they seem qualified. According to the scripture, and I'm not saying that no conversations ever go on behind the scenes, but it's not anything like the ordination process in a reformed church. So I would say it's. Very very different. And in a way that I very much appreciate and the other thing I'll mention if in in Presbyterian churches that the elders which includes the teaching and ruling elders is as called the session and in reformed. I I think most reform it's called the consistory. So you know, that is the group of elders, and I'll tell you I I love that in the Presbyterian church if I want to pick a book for women's bible study, I submit it to the elders and they look it over. I don't just say, you know, we're going to read such and such book. And and I'm choosing. But anything that that I do the Sunday school curriculum has been approved by them. Whatever we do in bible study has been approved by them. So they they take it very, very serious and elder visits. So generally speaking, it's been different depending on the Presbyterian church that. Men. But generally speaking every six months, I know like one church that I was in one of the six months one of the elders would come and visit with us. And then the other of the six months, the pastor would come and we saw him all the time, otherwise, but this was a formal meeting, and they would find out how we were doing spiritually find out how our marriage was doing things going on in the church. And I mean, they they really took that very serious. This is a good question. But I and that is what does speaking the truth in love sound like and one thing I'm thinking of is we talked a little bit about that on our faith in the internet episode, and maybe a little bit in our on our discernment episode. But what does I I have this quote from rile truth without love is barbarity, but love without truth is cruelty. Trade that today. So what does speaking the truth in love sound lighten out? Now, let me say I think that in right now a lot of times people think that if you say something that's contrary to someone else then it's not loving. But but that may true is it the right that the only way of expressing love is agreement is rubber-stamping someone else's beliefs or theology or whatever it is that they want to do. It's interesting though, this phrase speaking the truth in love in in Fijian's chapter four this is where the phrase is coming from starting in verse fifteen but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into him who is the head even Christ from whom the whole body being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies. According to the proper working of each individual part causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love, and that is being set in opposition to something, you know, that phrase started with, but but speaking the truth in love. Okay. So what are we speaking the truth in love instead of doing what as so backing up to verse fourteen as a result, we are no longer to be children tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine by the trickery of men by craftiness in deceitful scheming. But speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into him who is the head even Christ. So it's very interesting. The context of this speaking the truth in love is talking about don't be tossed around by all of this false doctrine that's out there. Don't be blown about by wind. When people are bringing up all of this stuff that is. Troubling you false doctrine instead grow up into Christ. How are we doing that speaking the truth in love? So there is a very clear aspect here that speaking the truth in love is gently in a caring way correcting when false theology or when bad ideas about God when incorrect interpretations of the scripture are being thrown about speaking the truth in love involves correction. So it's not just speaking in love. And it's also speaking the truth in love, and I seem to remember on a previous episode and probably was this passage in. You said something like, so basically, this means grow. Yes. That was our discernment episode. And it is amazing. Honestly, researching for that episode. I was it kind of blew me away to find out how many times. Teams in the epistles. It is said we're directly told grow up grow up. Right. And you know, what guys that made it into the scripture there? That's that's a version of speaking the truth in love right there, grow up. And so I guess what I'm saying is that sometimes there are hard things that need to be said and just ignoring them and not saying them that's not love. We're told to speak the truth. Go on and say it say what needs to be said, but do it in a loving gentle kind fruitful manner? So that we can grow up into Christ. You know, I can I can tell yet as a mom to some young adult sons that sometimes it's loving for me to say time took grow up. Yes. Well, I have very young children and. They're on their way. Yes. So I understand and even young even young children. You know, if your if your child is seven years old you want them to behave like a seven year old. That's right. I mean, not not a five year old like time to tie your own shoe. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, grow up does not mean, necessarily, hey, you're three I need you to be an adult right now in the next five minutes, but there's a process, and it's a long process, but growing up is continually happening and it's happening and it's happening and it's happening. So, you know, there's a lot of speaking the truth in love that's happening. And the result is meant to be that we grow up into Christ. Not that I won the argument. Okay. So speaking the truth in love is not about scoring my points winning the argument right making sure that that person knew your theology is wrong, brother. It's not about that. It is for us to grow up into Christ. Into our head. It's it's about becoming more mature and more like him. And when that is the goal that is in our sight when that is our focus it the speaking in love part becomes so much easier. And and I think too when we are confronting someone or maybe we're exposing false doctrine. Why are we doing it? Like Angela was saying it's not to one up somebody. It's it's because we love the Lord and his truth. And we ought to love our our neighbor. Also, I think second Timothy two twenty four through twenty six kind of gives us a good rule of thumb and the Lord servant must not be quarrelsome. But kind everyone able to teach patiently enduring evil correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to knowledge of the truth, and they may. I'm to their senses, and so-, gentleness, and kindness, and and praying for someone's repenting. Yes, very much. That's so important. So this is a question. And I we may have even I can't remember if we dress this on another. Question answer episode or not or on some other episode, but it comes in quite a bit and really has to do with wend joy leave a church, but but more specifically, you know, if I'm reformed now, I've reformed in theology. Should I leave my church that isn't reformed, and I know you at some point had to make that decision. Angela yet we did. In fact, so. As we were studying and becoming more convinced of really all of reformed theology. We had been Calvin est for years and years, but didn't really know about the full or of reform theology. Historic reformed, theology confessional theology. We didn't know about any of that. And as we began to study, more and more and become more and more convinced, you know, God was gracious to us that we were already in a transition time with what we were involved with as church at the time. It was a very small home group that you know, now with my understanding of the marks of a true church. I would say is not a church, and so God was gracious to us in that as we were convinced of reformed theology. It just became very easy to see that. We could not stay where we were. Because. We could not support the idea that this was a church. I will say though, you know, that I have seen times where we have had friends in our group in theology gals ladies group talk about becoming reformed, and they are at a church that's not reformed, and there's not a lot of other options available and their church does preach the true gospel. And their husband loves the church, and they are connected there, and they have friends, and they can they can support the church and stay there peacefully. And and I think that that it's possible to consider that into stay that, you know, we're going to stay here, and we can be here peacefully. But then you have to make the decision that we are not going to undermine the church's leadership. We're going to stay here in in unity to the extent that we can and we are not going to willfully teach against the church's leadership. And I do think that sometimes. Is going to become harder and harder over time. It's may your conscience, more and more. And as you've made that switch, then it may become appropriate, especially you know, we have a lot of married women in our group. You know, if you and your husband agree that we are not on the same page theologically with our church anymore, and it's just bothering our conscience too much. Then that might be a great time in a great catalyst to speak to your elders. And just say, you know, our theological understanding has changed. And there are some some primary points of doctrine that we disagree with on. So we're gonna take this opportunity to go look for a reformed church. And that that might be the right course of action to take. Yeah. I had moved to Chicago. And I was in new Calvin est, and but I wasn't reformed, and so I was visiting churches at the time when I became reform now, you were new Calvinism or you were a new Calvin est. I would not a new Calvinism a new cabinet, not young restless and ride. Yeah. I know what you're saying that a new to Calvinism. Yes, I was new to embracing Calvinism. I didn't know what reform theology was at that point. I didn't really know what reformed meant, but I I moved to Chicago. I I was trying out churches I've been in even juggle for church. My whole life side tried out like three of them and ended up meeting someone who invited me to a party where met my husband, and he introduced me the white horse. And as soon as I knew it reformed was I'm looking for a reformed church. And so I wasn't in for me. It was very easy because I was still in the process of looking for a church, and so I'm just gonna look for reformed church. But we have a lot of people that have been in the same church for years. And and just like you were talking about, you know, decide we need to just stay here for now. And sometimes that's the right decision. I think just depending on where you're at near studies. I think also especially to us women. This is something that. You may need to respect your husband's decision on. And I've had gals message me say, I really don't wanna go to this church anymore. But my husband thinks we should stay for a while. And I say, well, there's no Harris C or anything like that. Then it sounds like you need to respect that session. I'll tell you one thing that you don't do if you decide to stay at your church is, you know, you've just become convinced of the five points of Calvinism, and you are at an IFP, and you are really excited about Calvinism. And you think I am going to show all of these people that Calvinism is the way and let the elders note that they're wrong and try to refute. You know, the pastor at the Wednesday night bible study. You don't stay there. And cause strife you stay there. If you can stay in peace, you're still under the authority of your church. Leadership regardless of where of where you're at. Hey, this is Pete Orta former guitar player for the Grammy award winning Christian rock band Petra. I'd like to invite you to my new podcast, call Christian conversations, unfiltered, this channel is much different than my sermon podcast. The episodes are intimate conversations with people who I enjoy about topics that can't really unblocks from the pulpit each episode is unpredicted unedited and unapologetic conversations that might not only help you answer some relevant questions, you might be struggling with. But also help create some questions in your head that you might not have even ever thought of the purpose of this podcast is to help people apply their theology broadening their biblical worldview. So go to Pete or two dot com. That's P E T O, RTA dot com and click subscribe to podcasts, and then choose what podcast he'd like to hear if not both and what platform works best for you. Can't wait for you to join us. God bless. So we got this question just this week, and it came in to our Valgy gals Facebook page, you can message us on there too. If if you're not Email person, and this is something that both of us didn't know a lot about and we've looked into it a little bit. And she wanted us to talk about Dallas, Willard and spiritual formation. And since this was kind of a new I I've heard of it. But I just really it was one of those things that I'd heard about it, but I never really paid much attention. And so I thought it would be helpful to read some of what I found about it. So. One of the one of the descriptions is that spiritual formation. It's the mystical practice of listening in worldly for God's voice for specific guidance at probation confirmation, and such and I have a quote from Dallas, Willard spiritual formation in the tradition of Jesus Christ is the process of transformation of the in most dimension of the human being the heart which is the same as the spirit or will. It is being formed really transformed in such a way that is it's natural expression comes to be the deeds of Christ done in the power of Christ. And I'll read just a couple more spiritual formation as a process, but it is also a journey through which we open our hearts to a deeper connection with God, we are not bystanders in our spiritual lives. We are active participants with God who has ever. For inviting us into relationship with him. So what does this make you think of? Oh, boy, didn't we do a whole episode on mysticism. That is exact right. But this is it is mysticism plain and simple. And you know, it's the Dallas Willard site talks about transforming. And you know, how you're going to do these spiritual practices, and those are going to transform you. Let me tell you what the the word of God says about being transformed. This is Romans twelve to three or four do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. So that you may prove what the will of God is that which is good and acceptable and perfect. Do not be conformed to this world. The practices of mysticism are being conformed to the world. That is not anything that we find in the word of God that we are to transform ourselves by these particular. Spiritual practices, and you know, I really Kaleen you, and I were discussing this earlier before we started recording like so many things this has a feel of NAS decision to me that if you will do these these steps you will get some secret internationally turn this crank flip the switch. And there you go you've got some secret international internet. You're you're being spiritually transformed the difficulty here is. How do you know that you're being successful? It's just like in the listening prayer in the contemplative prayer when you're supposed to be hearing. God's voice. What happens when you don't? And then you are discouraged. Now. You're wondering what's wrong with me? What's wrong with you is nothing Christian go to the word of God, not the transformational practices? The other thing. Is there? Am today. There are a lot of spiritual exercises that are not connected to Christianity. And they may or may not be connected to a belief in God. And so some of these more secular or new age spiritual practices are very very similar to these spiritual practices that are being connected to Christianity. And that's very concerning because they are not grounded in the word of God. They're grounded inexperience. I mean, ultimately, absolutely. It's funny that you just said grounded in grounding. I was just thinking. As you were talking about sort of exercise and secular practices. I was thinking of one that I've heard of called grounding that has to do with the idea that if you go outside and walk barefoot and put your bear the bare soles of your feet in contact directly with the ground. You are you know, the earth you are being spiritually grounded, and there is some spiritual benefit here to that. I mean that it's it's quite pagan, and I have seen that being adopted in some Christian circles as a spiritual practice. This is mysticism. It's not from the word of God. And I'll link are mysticism episode. I would also encourage listening to our discernment episode if you haven't because it's so important for us to understand that the word of God is the foundation for everything that we believe in in our Christian life and our Christian faith in. Practice, and I don't see anything in scripture. That's calling me to spiritual formation as it's being described here. I agree. This was kind of something that I have heard of a a gallon. Our group asked us about it. She said that there is a church that is near her home that advertises something called big g yoga now, I had never heard of big g yoga, and so from my research what I kind of learned is that big Chee yoga, it's kind of big God yoga, and it's it really is Christian yoga is what it is. And we're not gonna talk about yoga specifically, whether Christians should do yoga that that's not really what this is about. But but we're gonna talk about this Christian yoga and this one specifically it says the big G is God, the creator of life and come joy. Join our unique yoga experience that aims to transform our hearts and bless communities through mindful worship on the mat and reading this website, a lot of it is talking about mindful worship is in every other. Facebook post is mindful worship mindful worship, it seems that they're they use music, and maybe maybe reading of of some passages. And so what do you think about this? Wow. A well. I think that there are aspects of this that connect very well with our last question that this is creating inexperienced that is meant to stir something in me emotionally that will then be called worship just like you said in in most of these posts the words, worship mindfully or mindful worship is going on. And you know, mindfulness even is a practice that has much in common with Mr.. So that's why it's connected. A little with our last question, but going at different direction with this one of the posts that I saw on the big G yoga page says come worship mindfully with us tonight. And there is a photograph of a large cross on a patio outdoors. I think this is where the yoga is going to take place in there is one person kneeling before the very large cross doing a yoga pose towards the cross. And so they are billing this as worship, and so one of my objections to this would be that, you know, worship is something that God commands us to do in the gathered assembly. But he commands us specifically on what it is that he wants and desires as our worship. And that regulates what we bring to him in worship we. He is not to be worshiped. According to the designs of men, and our imaginations and things that we come up with and yoga is certainly one of those things. So I would say that yoga is absolutely not a a part of. It should not be a part of the worship at a church. And I'm even thinking back to our mysticism episode when we talked about some of the Christian mysticism practices even involve being on the floor or doing having your body in a certain, maybe not pose isn't the right word. But you know, and once again, this really reminds me of people that I've met that say, I'm not religious, but I'm spiritual. Nell say I don't belong to a church. They may or may not believe in God because people will even use spiritual in a secular way that is that it's their own spiritual experience, not just separate from any any sort of deity and a again, this reminds me of of things that yoga can be a spiritual experience. Obviously, it's connected to a false rely. Can be connected to a false religion. I think you said earlier Angela that yoga has not cornered the market on all poses and stretching. But but. You're taking something. And I mean, it yoga in its purest form is worship or is intended to be worship of a false God. Right. And and so now, we're we're taking things and we're Christian izing them and and making it worship in. And the Lord has never told us that worship that we are to worship in different poses. Right. Exactly. You know, it's we were talking just a few minutes ago about grounding. And the this particular big g yoga has posts about grounding. And so I'm just thinking about this yoga and grounding in all of these different practices that are pagan, and they are being mixed with a Christian church, and what that is called syncretism. It's taking something that is sort of a false, religion and MC. Xing it with Christianity, and you know, trying to pick and choose and pull things in. And that is not a good practice for us. Grounding is not a Christian practice yoga is not a form of Christian worship that can be Christian is d-. And again, we're talking about offering this as worship to God, very different than talking about whether or not I can stretch in a certain position. And that's not what we're discussing here. We're talking about intentionally offering yoga as worship to God and billing this as Christian. I don't think that that can be done. I don't think that we can call yoga Christian. And I think we need to be very careful because unfortunately, there are so many practices in the church today that you can trace back to mysticism. And so this just really is a good time to remind everyone the importance of discernment in all things connected to our faith in practice and going back to the word of God. And being sure that that what we do what we practice in regards to our faith. What we believe in regards to our faith needs to be in the word of God that needs to be the foundation for all of that time -solutely. So we got this last question just came in this week. I got a lot of questions this week. I hadn't even said outside of I don't think I'd even set in the grouper doing QNA, but happened to get some questions this week, but we have a gal. And she wanted us to discuss. Understanding evangelism in view of Calvinism. And I think this is something we hear a lot from our many ends while if God chose some people elected some and not others than why evangelize, and I think probably that's that's really what we're answering. Yeah. So why do we evangelize if the Lord is already chosen, and he's going to give faith to who he gives faith to we'd have to even need to tell anyone about Jesus. Well, yeah. Won't God just zap them. And then they're just suddenly saved. Yeah. The gospel. That's how I remember it happening to me. Well, I mean, the reason that this is a great question because I feel like it has so many good answers. Multiple good answers to this question. First of all were commanded to evangelize. Second of all I evangelize because I love my neighbor, and I want my neighbor to hear the gospel. We evangelize because God uses means he doesn't just Zappa's and one second. We're not saved in the neck next second were saved. He uses the means of the gospel being proclaimed, you know, those when we are called when we've been regenerated in on our heart is able to hear and understand the gospel. Now, we have to hear and understand the gospel. That's part of the part of the equation. That's one of the steps that happens. So we don't want to take that out of the equation, and what a privilege it is to be a part of how it happens. You know? I it is a wonderful joyous thought to think that the Lord. Used my parents to share the gospel with me, and I am saved because of hearing the gospel from my parents, and I can be a part of that for someone else. What a privileged? I don't know why we wouldn't want to evangelize and not only does the Lord or Dane who will be saved. But he or Danes the means by which they will come to salvation and Romans ten thirteen says how then shall they? Call upon him in whom they have not believed and how shall they believe in whom they have not heard and how shall they hear without a preacher and how shall they preach unless they are sent. And so the Lord has ordained the means by which people come to salvation, and it is also beady wants to God, we are told to go into all the world and preach the gospel. And so that's part of our sanctification is in living in gratitude to the Lord for what he's done for us is bang him. And I think because we we know that the Lord has a sovereign plan for bringing his people to himself. I would say one thing that was a huge weight off my shoulders is when I had been in an Armenian church for part of my teenage years. Very armenian. I really felt like the weight of the world salvation was on my shoulders. I needed to know good enough evidential apologetic. So I could talk people into believing. And if if I was giving them all the reasons I had a Jewish friend. I had given him all of the reasons and he still wasn't believing in. So maybe I just wasn't explaining it. Well, and that was on my shoulders I needed to keep sharing and convincing him that he needed to come to Christ. And I would still share the gospel, even as Calvin est, I would still share the gospel with him with the same vigor. But I would also have confidence that the Lord will bring people bring his own people to salvation when he has chosen to do that. And we have a friend that shares the gospel everywhere he goes, and he he shared it with with somebody once, and it was someone they were in business with and you didn't see that person for three years and the person didn't come to Christ. And and our friend was out. We share the gospel almost never see someone come to Christ. But he'd left a track with this gentleman. And he sees them a few years later, and the guy says guess what? After you share the gospel with me all these things happened. The guy came to Christ had just joined a church, and so you know, you never even know how the Lord may use you sharing the gospel. Even if you don't see that person come to Christ, right, then Amen. I would also throw out. Out that if you want to hear what Calvin est think about sharing the gospel. Give our episode on evangelism. A listen. It's one of my favorite theology gals episodes because it was one of the earliest ones that I was on with you Colleen and what I love about. It is that we talk about what the gospel is. And clearly give gospel presentation in that episode, and because of that it's always been one of my favorites. But you know, we we do have. I just like you said calling for me understanding that the work is up to God he saves who he saves. And all I have to do is faithful to tell what the gospel is to share it with my friend, and it's up to the Lord to work in their heart. It just takes the weight off. It's not on me anymore. It's not about did. I use the right words that I make. Right presentation. I remember growing up and hearing in certain kinds of church environments talking about evangelism. They would say, you know. How many people have you led to Christ in the last month in the last year, if it's, you know, zero or one or two you need to question, whether you're really doing what you should be doing and the underlying premise there is that if you're doing what you are should be doing than your personal numbers should be high and the truth is that it is up to the Lord. And the fruit is up to the Lord, and who has called is up to the Lord. And my responsibility is just to faithfully share the gospel with those that I meet with those whom the Lord brings into my path and the result is up to him. I even I have had Mormons in my life from the time that I had a Mormon pen pal in elementary school that I shared the gospel with at that point and then in high school when I spend my lunch hours going around and sharing the gospel with Mormons, and I had a really good Mormon friend. That's now Bishop. And we were in the high school singing group together. And I was so sad. I didn't go to our high school reunion. And so when when my classmates called me, and she said he was asking about you. And he's now a Mormon Bishop. But you know, what I also know that he's heard the gospel. And I still will pray for him that the Lord will use that. And maybe bring other Christians into his life and my next door. Neighbor is also more men and I've shared the gospel with her multiple times, and I will continue and I do pray at some point in. And that's I have peace that I know that the Lord will work. His will. I I know that he will do that his well and his time, and you know, it's the same with our children too because I can tell you you can preach the gospel to your children every day of their lives. But it is still the Lord's work if and when they. Come to Christ. A man I didn't write this one down. But now that I just said that I'm going to end with this one somebody had asked in our group, how do you deal with understanding Calvinism? But also with the realization that maybe your children won't come to Christ. How do you how do you deal with that? And that's a very real situation that I'm in. I mean, my oldest son just is an atheist is atheist. Stick is one can be he loves reading all the big name atheists and debating me, and I have so much peace about it, which I know might be difficult understand. But it was be cut. It's because I know that salvation is of the Lord, and yes, it's very difficult having a child that doesn't know the Lord. Absolutely. But. I am. I just have so much comfort knowing that the Lord is good. The Lord is faithful the Lord loves me. And I know that that whatever the Lord has chosen as is good and right? And I and I have peace that, you know, I could I could go to be with the Lord, and my son could still be an atheist, but the Lord could work in his life later on. And the Lord has a perfect purpose for whatever his perfect Willis. So that probably didn't really offer much encouragement. But I do find comfort in who the Lord is. I think that is really the only the only encouragement that we can hope for so. Yeah, I think that was very encouraging. Well, hopefully, some of these were helpful. We have some some good episodes coming up. I know I promise is a while ago and just timing didn't work out. But Ashley is going to come back into an episode with. All right. Else together look out, and I'm not. I'm not gonna tell you what the topic is. I will only tell you. Good again, a love it. I hope so up. So my get some criticism that I I'm excited to have the three of us discussing a really important, but also fun topic. I think it'll be fun too. I so hopefully in the next few weeks, and okay, we have another special guest. We're not going to say who it is. But she'll be on in the next few weeks. But this is just a very very special guest. And we're going to be talking about celebrity preachers with the perfect guest to discuss celebrity preachers with I'll just say that we got to leave him hanging little bit anxious. Right. It's it's the same. Stay off. Well, and if you if you do have any topic suggestions, please Email us the gals at Djamil dot com, or you can reach out to us on Twitter or through our Facebook page, you can met suggest there, we we love getting topic ideas. And if you have a question that you want our next question answer episode some those into because we we enjoy doing the question and answer episodes. Yeah. It's a lot of fun. Well, we will see next week.

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Alone Together- Podcast # 541

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Alone Together- Podcast # 541

"Your money back to another episode is in parenting radio. This podcast number. Five hundred and forty one wireless radio because you'll feel outstanding and always remember our motto. Which is that. The best predictor which is will being as parents self understanding on today's show. We're GONNA talk about a grocery store incident between you and I. We are a little bit as far as my fragile male ego. I just finished a show that I think he from the history channel called alone. Oh yeah and I'm just going to offer some words of wisdom on that and how it kind of rolls into and then something that just happened to me at Sam's Club Among a few other things so but first real quick we have a whole influx of new teams end members. We actually have another one. Another Zen talk this today. If you're listening is on Tuesday the thirty first. Our daughter's birthday by the way Said talked today at noon. So if you are interested in joining the community Go to the website and just type in coupon code friend F. R. E. N. D. But these are some that we've got like nineteen new members in the last few weeks due to end talks a month and lately we've been doing to a week because desperate times come with desperate measures so we have on Tuesday. We might do another one on Friday but anyways These are the some of the states of the people of new teams end members. I'm not GonNa read the whole list. This is where they live Iowa Missouri Wisconsin Nevada South Carolina Massachusetts Pennsylvania California Washington Illinois Minnesota Arizona in Indiana so thanks to all those teams end members. We look forward to seeing you. We quickly explain what teams N. is my daughter So teams then is our virtual community and we've had our virtual community going for a couple of years so this isn't new because of the quarantine or the stay at home. What do we call it? Now what are we doing now? Safe at home every every state is different safety shelter and home sheltered hope so but in Illinois. We've been shelter in home for about a week and a half and You know I consider someone Kinda Quarantine So most of us have that and not just here but around the world And basically what that means is we already had this community but it's been growing because this is our opportunity to do We live talks and if you can join the live talk. That's great but if you don't join the live talk we send out an email but also a podcast that ends up in your podcast APP. Which is the live talk. You know you get to hear what everybody asked. Because I'm telling you even if it's not a question that you would ask it usually. There's something helpful that comes out. So we did last Friday. And I titled It Support. Lying and spitting plates supported because one of the women were really struggling. Yeah and then what happens when our kids lied to us. And how do we deal with that? And then I think we started talking about spitting plates. About how a lot of MOMS and dads are the CEOS of the household and the plates that they spend at once. When one plate breaks there tends to be a domino effect. So one thing that I've really appreciated about teams and besides the fact that we've had each other through this situation that we're all going through together. Is that obviously? We have members from all over the United States but we also have members from Australia Canada Switzerland Great Britain Ireland Italy and New Zealand. So we're getting even though I always appreciated having international members teams just because even when we're not going through a pandemic we're all on the same page as far as you know needing support with parenting and life. It's really great to have perspective of people in regards to what's happening. It's that reminder that we're all interconnected we've always known this but this is just one of these great examples of how it's real so anyway so join teams on We are going to. I think do another pop culturing on this viral. Netflix show called Tiger King. Is that what it's called called tagging holy crap? This is an interesting show kind of makes me feel a little Yucky. But it's it's interesting. Well I think what we'll do on pop culturing obviously talk about tire king. Because there's a lot to talk about but also how it relates to other things we've watched before and I think maybe get to. The core of everybody loves it or loves. It is wrong word why everybody can't stop watching it so car crash it is so anyway Subscribe to pop culturing. I've heard from a lot of people including some of my students at Dominican that they I have them. Listen TO OUR PODCAST. But they really enjoy listening to pop culturing more because they want an escape from what we talk about. Parenting People Wanna quit working on themselves. Because they're in survival mode so they want a distraction right. Here's what I've been listening to besides obviously pop culture and parenting. But I'm not really listening those I do them but the things I've been listening to our the Rewatch ables because they talk about movies and I've been really listening to one's I've listened to before I listened to deck shepherds podcasts. Old Ones like the ones before the pandemic like not interviews with experts. I don't WanNA learn anything just interviews with actors and actresses and you know people like that. Those are the kind of podcast. I enjoy listening to right now. I want to doing enough reading and thinking about all this that when I have my earphones in my ears I wanna be listening to something. Mundane and so- pop culturing mundane sounds boring pub. Culturing is just that it's like candy. It is it's just something to enjoy so if you haven't already subscribed to pop culture like CPR is a combination of like vegetables and potatoes. And if you maybe like chicken breast or steak like whereas pop culture in the desert todd's chicken breast Mata far. Yeah because we need to eat dinner right right right. We got an parenting. Yes got to our new model. Each Jenner. Everyone will be like that means enough. Culturing is desert. Yes if pop. Culture is your dessert. Yeah some people don't really like pop culture but if you do and we've been getting more people have been emailing us more like questions about. Will you do this movie? Will you do this movie and thank you keep emailing us because sometimes you spark an idea but sometimes the movies that people email I don't have a connection to the movie. Can't do the movie one that I got from. A listener is Tarantino movie and she said True Romance the I can't do to romance honey. Why because I've only seen it once and it's super violent and I I don't it's I mean maybe there is some pretty hard scenes in that movie. It's like even I love pop culture or excuse me Pulp Fiction but I feel like if I went back and watched it now. I'd be like why did I love that movie? I just think the structure was interesting. I other ideas do empire strikes back for some reason and then the other idea. We'RE NOT GONNA get to like ten percent of our ideas but the other idea is to come up with an eighties movie and I shared this with you that everybody is basically seeing that. I've just happened to miss or one that you purple rain you missed Purple Rain you missed the whole prince experience. I have a feeling that it's going to be horrible whereas I thought of butter off dead which is a movie. I haven't seen and I feel like when people hear that I haven't seen better off dead. They think a total idiot whereas purple rain. Like who cares but better off dead is no no. I'm totally come up with a movie that everybody else is seeing that you real genius is that would kill me. I don't think I've seen that either. Isn't that kind of like just of airplane? No that's top secret topsy and I love top secret. It's funny you guys because sorry tangent here. `Bout Mo- movies is the first week of shelter and home which was now two weeks ago I was trying to show my girls some movies from the eighties. And you know it all and only have so many like opportunities to do this because it's gotta be right night and everyone's gotTa be around and I pulled out Austin powers in it. So did not lay on most of them don't we didn't Wayne's world and they compared them they said that. Felt like Wayne's world now Mike Okay it is the ice melted and Tommy boy which I think is universal. Chris Farley's universal but it didn't did not Landry said that what about. Bob. Landed so what I thought was funny. Though about Austin powers is it's called international man of mystery so my youngest was like windows. The mystery happens. She kept thinking there's going to be a mystery and all the parts that I thought were super funny. They were like mom. That's not funny. So it makes you question your own taste. And then I'm like did I really like this or was I along for the ride 'em pop culture and like I I don't I don't know a few of the other movies have landed to You know like some of the movies but those are more ninety s Juneau and eating Gilbert grape. They loved those we should do. Juno or eating Gilbert grape is one of the best movies ever. I mean my goodness if you haven't seen that movie so anyway that's our pop. Culturing run I wanted to play a little scene from what about But I won't. I'm going to save that for popcorn. And then lastly The tribe men's group does a weekly Community Zoom Conference call and at seven thirty PM this Wednesday and every Wednesday and it is just go to the show notes. The link is on the show notes. So that's easy to do so. The first thing I wanted to talk about was we just finished a show on an Amazon prime called alone in where they dropped ten guys off and this is more revealing a piece of my own personality and hopefully connects with some of the people but They dropped ten guys off in the different part of Vancouver Island which is in the Pacific northwest and they just scatter them. And whoever state the longest wins five hundred thousand dollars? And some is a spoiler alert. If you WANNA see it and you haven't seen it season one. Go ahead and fast forward. Because I'm about to tell you what happens? One Guy Leaves. Fourteen hours because our twelve hours. He's scared that cougars or bears or wolves are gonna eat them and then the winner ends up staying fifty six days which is nuts and it's just so there's a part of me like I said I'm just sharing a part of my own personality. I have this fear of being alone and I always have even in college when everybody wanted to have wanted to have their own room. I always needed to be around people and it made me get just a little bit about guy mentality a little bit because it's funny like even with the guys who came out like some like the first guy came out in twelve hours and then like over the next three or four days three or four quit right away and they all thought that they were the first ones to basically. It's called tap out means when you call because there's no camera crews are nothing and they all said like why must be the first one like they all thought they were the first one out so like there's this male Ego ick thing like. I didn't do it very well so I must have been the first one day. They were super relieved when they find out they weren't except for that. First Guy Right we happen to be a cop from Ohio right and he like he knew when he tapped out that he going to be. I because not a lot of people are GonNa stay only twelve hours. I think what he was saying. Like you know what this idea. He didn't he's like this idea wasn't a great idea. I didn't think this through. I think I'm going to focus on my family and that's going to be about so I wanted to use this show as a launching point for discussion of solitude because a lot of us find ourselves right now in solitude and obviously being on Vancouver Island without any provision or a shelter is different from us being cooped up in her houses or apartments or condos. But I guess I just wanted to open it up to both of us to talk about. I don't know if we WANNA come up with remedies but like being alone can be very low lonely and it's something that I haven't really had to experience because I am lucky enough to be married with kids but there's a lot of people out there that are struggling right now and this is kind of the theme for talks like people you know you can be A. You can feel lonely even when you're with people we don't have our natural outdoor going to the restaurant going to the store going to work and it's we've been dealing with for about two and it looks like we're probably going to have to deal with it for another maybe month. At least at least yeah and I just wanted I guess I just wanted to normalize that this aloneness were sharing it. Yeah and I think that there's many different levels you know I go to you know I do. A lot of ping-pong in my brain How many places I go because the first thing I wanted to share his kind of a negative thing but Something I think we need to know. Is that I can tell you that is a social worker. I in in this just because I'm reading these reports in hearing this from people I work with That the domestic abuse rate has gone through the roof and child abuse has gone through. The roof is as basing it on the calls. That are being received to the hotlines so there are people that wish. They were alone because they're in unsafe places. So that's one place that might ping pong brain goes the other place. Is that part of the reason we feel so alone or stir crazy and we may be using the wrong words for it is that we love routine because routine distracts us from our lives if we can wake up and take a shower and go meet someone for coffee and then go to the school and then go work out and then do this and do that. We don't have to think about our lives. We get to just stay in routine or for those of us who work all day long like fulltime job. Get ON THE TRAIN. Go TO WORK. We just get to work. And maybe get lost in that and I think when you're told to be at home Many people still are working from home. Like one thing that I have been very. I'm I'M GONNA even in this. I'm sorry it's the Ping Pong Ball I WanNa make sure I talk about this. I have been doing some zoom calls obviously with teams end but also with my girlfriends from college and with my women's circle and one thing that I've noticed is that there are some people that are really really enjoying the experience of being home and at the time there's people on the same call that are in dire straits if it'd be financially or because their healthcare workers or because they're completely by themselves taking care of a child and they don't know what to do or they have apparent that they can't go see because they are in a nursing home facility There it's like we have all of these different ways of experiencing this time and I want I'm saying that so work. Haag nascent of it that when we are saying this is the best time ever that we have to be thoughtful about our audience that there is nothing wrong with you feeling that way. You don't need to feel guilty for that but it may not be shared by your next door neighbor or the people that you are talking with speaking personally. There's a part of me that feels guilty because of course you know whatever. We lost money in the stock market with our retirement portfolio and all that but from day to day experience. I've been just very blessed and privileged and lucky to not be as impacted as like. Let's say you were a nurse or I was a nurse right doctor and I was a doctor like and I find myself feeling guilty for feeling. Kind of your life was disrupted because you've been working from home your whole adult career right. So when they're like we gotta work from home. You're like this is so on. It's so unbelievable about how unaffected I have been selfishly personally from this thus far thus far rice far in yet at the same time you're still living in the same uncertainty that everybody is in this in what I'm talking about here. It's not about necessarily comparing ourselves to others. Because if you guys listen to the show we all know. The pain is pain and And it's not about feeling guilty because that that's putting your energy in the wrong direction. It's about the recognition that four some people. This time is a break and for some people. This time is the hardest work they've ever done in their lives and the most risky work they've ever done and we have to hold both as truth instead of this is greater. This is bad. It's there's a lot of different things happening everywhere but then the big truth. The big umbrella over all of us is even if you're at home. Working and things are relatively relatively typical. We still all have the uncertainty of. What does this mean in the big picture? How will this unfold? It's funny I keep reading articles and they're pretty pretty good publications like the Atlantic and saying this is how this will end and I'm like nobody knows things and they're just it's journalism and I appreciate the journalism because it gives us something to its well researched ideas. It's not like they're just throwing you know darts at the board but they kind of are. Aren't we all? I guess my point is is. This is a time to really practice self compassion and to not feel guilty. If your circumstances are okay and if your circumstances are okay then you need to create and give so. It's so interesting so I was Gonna come up with tell you a quote from one of the guys that's on this alone show but first regarding giving so. I'm reading this book called Atomic Habits and it's really interesting about how you doing small incremental things over time will will turn you into you know. Help you meet your goals. Your habits will stick so one of the things that happened to me. I was listening to one of my friends podcast. This morning. It's called embrace growth a friend of mine named Mike Patterson. If you should all you can check that out And I was in the checkout line at Sam's Club just now and part of me didn't want to tell the story we're listening to. It was listening and it was just a very awesome podcast very opening and loving podcast and while at the checkout line getting some groceries at Sam's Club The woman in front of me didn't her credit card didn't have enough on it. The Limited and have enough on it so she had to do that. Thing like in terms of endearment where they they run certain things back to reduce the amount that she's paying out she had to put things to put things back and a without really even thinking about it. I said let me cover that. And the guy checking out said what do you what do you. What do you mean cover it? I said well let me pay for whatever. She can't take care of right now and she's like. Can I pay you back? I'm like no. Don't worry about pay me back. Just feed everybody. Just do whatever you whatever it is you're doing and there's first of all there's part of me like I think. The the highest characteristic of human behavior is anonymous. Giving and I had an opportunity to do that today by doing this. Nice gentle thing helpful thing to this woman and not tell anybody about it but here I'm telling my so there's some ego involved with this but I also know for a fact that when I was doing it I wasn't thinking like I can't wait to share this on the podcasts. It truly was a heart centered thing that I wanna do to help this woman But the war was going to go with that. You were listening to a podcast. I was listening to the show to make it obvious so the reason it was easy for me to give back is because this woman was in front of me in need and with the first rule in this habits book that I'm Reading Atomic Habits is make it obvious so it really. I didn't have to go find anybody in need. It was right in front of me and I feel like that is something that we can all kind of learn from is if whether it's you want to eat healthier the vegetables on the top shelf so I'm trying to give people some tools to put in their toolbox and how to equip themselves into making better choices for themselves. But you gotta make things obvious. The second rule is to make it attractive so in other words parent. Action that you're having kind of all over the board right now but parent action that you want. Okay let's say you WanNa work out memory at the conference. I said I I wanted to watch TV with you. Guys we watch the bachelor but meanwhile I was lifting weights in the living room with you two things together that you were going to watch TV anyway so use that time to work out right. And that's exactly what I did so and it was kind of a silly one because in the bachelor it's like every time they kiss. I gotTa do five push ups or something like that. We're kind of exhausted. I know it was a long forty five minutes because Peter did. A lot of kissing. Didn't out so well Make it easy to use the two minute rule which basically means instead of I want to run a marathon instead. Say of saying why. Want to run a ten K. Five K. Make it into something that you can do in two minutes so instead of I want to run a marathon like I'm gonNA put my running shoes on every morning and by doing that. That will lead to the next good habit. So make this more about now because I don't know if a lot of people are thinking about vegetables and running a marathon. They're thinking about. How do I get through the day and I think for me personally because I feel so privileged like how can I give back like what are some easy steps that I can do to continue to give back? And that's one of those that you know what I mean one of those things meaning. If something's in front of YOU HELP. Yes right exactly. And then the last fourth rules to make satisfying so one thing that the author talks about is don't miss it. Today's enrolled because one day. It's an accident two days it's an habit so in other words. Let's say I said intention than I'm going to give back every day for the next seven days That I need to do it every single day and if I miss a day the minute that you miss a second day it becomes a bitch so it's just more of a reminder like okay if you miss one day that's human nature but if you really. WanNa do something every day. Then you need to not miss two days in a row because then all of a sudden the momentum built in the other direction so anyways so that's one quick thing. I wanted to share regarding Trying to cultivate good habits because go ahead. Well I was GONNA say stop there for a second because so ties. Been Reading this book. Who wrote it? I don't know I look okay. So it's called atomic habits and he's been doing these things and I think if I am going to. It could just be James Clear James Clear so it could just be natural that this book fell into your lap during this time. But I also think if I'm GONNA dig deep that this gives you structure during an uncertain time for sure. Okay so for those of you that need structure during an uncertain time. This might be great. I don't like this stuff and not because it's not worthwhile another way your brain wire. It's not the way I don't if someone says to me do it every other day but don't miss two days we're also become a habit. I'm like what are you talking about? I can miss four days of meditation. Go back to it just fine so but not everybody can and I'm not stronger. It's just I don't worry about that kind of structure exactly so like for me. My list of things that that I'm doing. 'cause todd is really. He's got like this charted in our bedroom and he's like really working on seven habits. I'm trying to cultivate one is to do. Wha- do an extra push up every day and I put an X. Mark after a day. It's like very simple behavior modifications stuff. Yeah DAX DAX. Like he's our friend has a guy on his podcast like a couple of weeks ago. I think name. Bj Fog. Who wrote a book? That's very similar tiny habits and it's a very not the exact same structure as atomic habits but the same kind of practice and build it in and habitual and and I think that's effective like I really like part of the reason I I do meditate most days because I built it in before my shower and so it's like I know before I get in the shower. I go do this right now. My structure has changed where I've had to build it in after I write so I do. It's not that I think the structures wrong but for my brain with my personality. What works for me is less? I need freedom to choose if someone takes away my choice and says you have to do these things I push back. Do you remember the four? Tendencies Gretchen? Rubies Gretchen Rubens Four. Tendencies and I am. I'm not quite a rebel. But I'm pretty close to a rebel question. Asker and you know. Sometimes I was like well I could be this. I could be this and then we found out that if you are not sure which one you are. Then you're a questioner. Being UPHOLDER. Questioner a rebel earn obliged and you are an upholder so atomic habits makes total sense in your life for me as a questioner. I am like I said my little towards rubble. I'm want my choice and I want to be able to. I feel just as committed but I chose it rather than a book telling me to do it so my I I was gonna I was Gonna say that my structure in the home right now is drink water. Move connect with people fresh air. What are the other things I have on the learning e learning outside drink water water basically? It's like clean your room bathroom in but even that I didn't say cleanroom I said. Keep it calm. Yeah my whole point. Is I want less. I want there to be the expectation. Are these basic things and then everything else is your choice with that list. I created it and then I P- I taped it everywhere in the house. Oh take your vitamins. Take your vitamins. Which is the first law is to make it obvious so you tape them to our daughter's bedroom doors and the bathroom and the bathroom the kitchen so if those small little reminders. I think at least it's helped me since I read this Book Lake. I know that I have this chart in my bedroom and I'm GONNA do a check every time if it's not there if it's not in front of me. I'm less likely to do it right. And so in a way we're coming we're trying to get to the same place from different places. And that's the reason I'm saying this is for those of you who just heard. Todd talk about these atomic habits. If you're like Ooh you you can have different ways to build structure into your life. Don't feel so like overwhelming or the or the expectations too high. Because I also think that part of the reason in I don't want to you and I just had like an hour and a half long talk about this. I don't want to go too far into this but this is really like if you look at the things you're doing you're like. I'm going to do more pushups to do more this where my day is. How's everybody else doing? So if I had to add all of that stuff on top of what? I'm doing as far as taking care of everybody else. That sounds suffocating So it's like wh- like what I need to add in to. My Day is a little more of things like that but I also want to be told to do it because I feel like the other stuff is is that so the last thing I'll say about this is that on facebook. There was a list that a bunch of people has shared have shared with me someone on teams and shared it and then a bunch of other therapists fronts shared it. It's basically this list of things that a therapist. I can't remember where they're from came up with that. They've been helping their clients who are struggling with what we're going through with the pandemic right now. The list is super is wonderful. It's well written but there's so many of them and I was like on the eighth one and I'm like more more and I guess my point is is that we can't expect to be good at everything right now is. I was overwhelmed by the list when we talked last week. On the podcast of you kind of summarized your thoughts on his then talk about how a lot of the MOMS who were chiming into the end. Talk saying I should be whatever clean should be organizing my household better. Now that I'm at home and Blah Blah Blah and your summary was basically like maybe you shouldn't be maybe you don't maybe adult. Maybe this time is more about feeling than doing. It doesn't mean you have to drop the ball and everything. I'm not GONNA do that. I need to take care of my people and get food and I said to. You know I kind of want to clean the house tonight and sanitize a little bit. Because I haven't done that for a while. I need to do my work and shop for my students to my clients. Like I'm not ditching. My responsibility but maybe I should not add anything to that list. Maybe I should do less and let me say this. What makes todd feel better is having goals? This stabilizes him but if you don't want goals and you're like I don't WanNa do that. Then do what. I'm doing and do less. And if you feel like doing less makes you to on more than do atomic habits do you see what I mean is when someone saying? Here's what we should all do it less that resonates it's not for you. This is no different than any other time. Like the thing the thing I love about this learning and what todd and I talk about on this show is the things we discuss. We're not teaching them by the way 'cause you already know them we're just discussing them is. It's the same. No matter win universal principles. It's not like okay now. We're in a pandemic so now start. Yelling at your kids is right. It's the same. Be Gentle on yourself. Be Self Compassionate Take care of yourself. And maybe if you if you think more like me if you're more of a questioner and maybe more of a IFP or more of a two on the ending aground whatever however you want to relate you do less and maybe you take some things off your plate and think about this time of feeling. Because I don't know about you guys. But I'm feeling everything and that's sometimes causing me to be snappy at snippy snippy. I feel like that's from a movie. Topi snippy I'm a little snappy and snippy and it causes me to WANNA watch a lot of shows and that's okay like you say what you would charlie was just saying. I have an author. I have a friend who that author his name is Charlie Donnelly and we were exchanging ideas on shows and he is obviously a book writer so he wants people to be reading books especially at this point in time where we have. A lot of a lot of us are often yet home. And he's like it's so funny. How all these facebook threads is all about this net net flix show or that Netflix. Show or this Hulu show or whatever and he's like nobody's really talking about what books they should be reading right and I just thought that that was an interesting. Obviously he personally has something to gain by people reading more books but I thought it was interesting like I mean I guess. I'm reading a book right now. But it's it's all the banner. Icm facebook is all about shows. There's not a whole lot of banter about books that make sense to you right now though I guess so but some people like to get lost in fiction right and I think people who like to get lost in fiction still are but I think when people feel overwhelmed and already out of control. They WANNA do. When they're relaxing. They WANNA do the least amount of work and you know what that means. I'M GONNA lie here coming out in front of the TV tiger king watching tire king or watching stranger. That's really good by the way you should watch that or watching Austin powers but don't make your kids watch it because they won't like it or you just WanNa go and I think not only at I. It doesn't matter what I think I feel like. That's fine for me. I feel like right now. I am on feeling times ten. I'M ON COMPASSION. Times ten and I'm doing something as all of you are that I've never done before and if I want to watch anything if it'd be you know Shits Creek or the Americans are all these things were watching. I think that's great and and I if I woke up in the morning start watching. Tv and never did anything else. I know I wouldn't feel good but a book to me and I am reading a book. I'm reading Danny Shapiro's book about marriage and it's really good but I only read that when I have like I read it for about what thirty minutes. It's word cookie time Sweden. It's time for word cookies and sometimes cookies. It's an APP. It's my only game you know when everyone went crazy for like what are some of the Games on the birds and all that angry birds and like the one with the sugar the Candy Candy crush. I never got those games. The only game. I has word cookies and it is great before bed. Because it's mind numbing of but I'm also working really hard to figure out these words. I think it's terribly frustrated game. I try to help him like. I don't know that one and you know what else do you guys? Listen to this when I get superstock and I don't WanNA use all my points because I like to keep my points. This is not something I would ever do by the way right. This is the difference is I? Will Google word cookies and whatever level? I'm on and I will find out what that word is junior. No it's not not cheater. It's not cheater because me using money is the exact. I'm still getting the answer. So why not get the answer this way and guess what I'm not playing against you? It's for me so it's like I'm not in school. No one you still have. A teacher remember. Used to say that all the time teacher teacher. I'm used to have a teacher in your brain that tells you if you find information somewhere else that you're a cheater. You're not in school if you're plagiarizing or doing something like that. Yeah that's not good but if you're playing word cookies yourself by your off I can go say I just can't figure out this word after thirty minutes. Oh it's Dome Okay and then I can move on to the next level because that's enjoyable and that's not cheating. Sweet I was. I was just kidding. But YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT. I mean I'm not mad but you're not kidding 'cause you wouldn't wouldn't do that because because I don't want to know that I got to the I rose to that level wall getting the answer from somewhere. What do you think you're winning onward cookies? Why are you playing word cookies? Well it's the same reason. I played backgammon. I play to demonstrate how you're at this okay. That's not why I play word cookie. You do it to pass time and wind down at the end of the day and stimulate my brain like I spent a really long time figuring it out and usually there's one or two sometimes I get it all done but sometimes there's one or two I can't get in and I'm like I'm just going to figure it out so I can move on your own and for your own sanity when you're doing a crossword puzzle. Do you ever ask someone for help. I don't do crosswords but if I did It depends. Would you ever ask someone for Hampshire? And what's the difference? Yeah Yeah no judgment. Well it's more just like why we do what we do right. Yeah I'm sure there's a story there for my childhood of why wouldn't cheat on word cookies and music cheat or look Google for word cookies so the bottom line is before todd moves on. Just be John Yourselves. Don't don't say you're GONNA clean your kitchen if you don't have time to do it and there are people like I again. I have to remember. Some people are like clean my kitchen. I'm leaving in the morning and coming home at night. I don't have time to do that so not everybody is on the same page here So close I just want to come back all the way around to the alone part and just shared this one quote and then get your thoughts. one of my favorite guys on this alone show was name was Alan. He said if you'RE GONNA be by yourself because he's by himself for fifty six days he didn't see another human being. There's no camera crew. They bring their own cameras. He's GonNa be by yourself you for a long time. You'd better like yourself alive and I just wonder if you had if you wanNA riff on well. I think that that was. I didn't really choose the alone show. Jc Todd we're watching it. But I would sit there and kind of enjoy it with them Because it's not really my show. Kinda show a survival thing but I did appreciate it like. I'm glad I watched it with you guys or that you had it on. Because I think he's what happened to these men and they were all men by the way I think on the next season there is a woman but is that they would be by themselves for three or four days and then they'd find themselves crying and what. I think this happens. A lot of meditation. Retreats is there's all these layers of awareness that we have and we can kind of stay busy for a while like they would cut their. You know get there would or their food and then after three or four days they were just left with themselves and then you have to look and feel all the things that you have been unwilling to feel terrifying. It is and it and it hurts. And it's painful and these men would cry and it's interesting because You go and you guys you guys were respectful about it. You weren't like making fun of them but I would hear you guys say while they're breaking down and be like of course they're breaking down like that's part of the process of being alone. They're not breaking down like they're about to go home. They're breaking down because that's a necessary part of the process when you go on a meditation retreat or when you're doing body worker therapy or whatever you're supposed to break down and the men who survived and could be alone. Were the men who were able to break down. So into Allen's point you can't escape your own demons and what's so interesting is if you go in the room with your demons and look at them just like Luke did an empire strikes back where he went into the cave and he brought his stuff in there. Did I say that right? Didn't what did you say What about my weapons? What does he say he says? What's in there? And he said whatever you take what you bring with and so that's wherever you go there you are we carry our demons and then I have in my office my therapy office. I have a big thing that says God I can see the picture and it says something to the effect of. Oh I know what it says befriend your. Is that when you look your demons or monsters in the eye? You have compassion for yourself and that sounds too simplistic because you have to go through the pain and fear that you haven't been willing to look at but the whole process of therapy or being alone or a meditation. Retreat is your willingness to look at all aspects of yourself like one thing I wrote about in my book is what I hope to leave with. My kids is that I have had to. I had a lot of darkness in my life where I was unwilling to look certain corners. And what I eventually did through continued to do this. We'll never end is like shine a flashlight everywhere in the corners of my brain in my mind all my experiences. I've I've been willing to look and what I said is what I hope I give. My kids is that it's more of like a light switch like they're they're never not willing to look at everything. They're not going to avoid pain. They'RE NOT GONNA AVOID FEAR. They're not going to avoid anything but they don't need to like have all these dark places that nobody talked about like they can. Actually they can turn on a light switch and say yeah there it is. And that's what these men are experiencing out. There is a lot of them are dealing with self hatred and shame and things it. This society told them about themselves. And I think the Allen who we all really liked he liked himself. He respected himself. He wasn't a perfect man but he knew his loves were in the right order. Will it's funny is as these guys. Were breaking down and deciding because all you have to do is press a button. They'll come and get rescued satellite phone and as the guys were making those decisions. They didn't talk about work. They didn't talk about food shelter now. They just talked about the person that they loved or their kids. And you know when when you get stripped down to nothing you realize pretty quickly what is most important? Yes and so for those of you who have like my mom is in late. It's actually I keep saying it's assisted living but really she lives in the Independent living but she's still in a facility that I can't get in and so she's alone right but because we know that my sister and my aunt and I call her everyday right. If you have or you know. Your sister is fine. And she has all sorts of connections and friends but she's living by herself so she is someone that needs to see people and we need in. We need to have conversations with her in she can. She has access to many other people besides us but she's a priority and to you know to friends who live by themselves like connection is you may feel overwhelmed in your home by the amount of people there but there's some people that have no better you wish for exactly and that we need to reach out to people not because they're weaker than us or anything but because alone needs connection and And like Todd said you can be in a houseful of seven people and still feel very lonely. It's really but it's about connection connection is. Do we feel cared for. Do we feel heard. Do we feel that? Someone's checking up on us. Do we feel like someone worries about us not worries in the negative way but like wakes up thinking about us? Do we end that to me. As far as like habits. That feels good on a list to like. I'll do my push ups and then I'm GonNa text so and so think of one person who you know has to be bunkered up alone writer. They live in a Condo a house and apartment whatever and but they don't have anybody because I'm sure that all of us have at least a handful of people in our lives that do live alone best friends mothers fathers check on one person every day and then on the other side of that as long as you do in that check on your friend. Who's working at Walgreens or at the grocery store or in the healthcare field Check on the person who has to work from dawn until you know night the person who is risking their lives like one of the things. I haven't had the opportunity to pay. Someone's bill like you have. Which is lovely but every time I go into walgreens or the grocery store after the person gives me my receipt. I say thank you for working. We appreciate it and that goes a long way. I don't know but I I'm sure that there are people are trying to stay away from them and grabbing the bag and weird angle. Because you don't want to have your hand so I'm sure just saying that to somebody you know what it doesn't matter. I feel better saying because you know what I'm not working behind that desk and will in the bottom line is when you do these things that you think are for somebody else. It just fills you up. Yeah well you know the thing we. We already talked about this last week. So I'm not going to go through it again. If you haven't listened to our podcast it was about The two things the tools to use when coping and one of them that I talked about was the the Tomlin breathing which I've gotten a lot of emails from people saying that it's Tongue len is how you say it. They're saying it's helpful that when you see suffering in front of you take a deep breath and breathe it in not. You're not breathing in the pain. You're breathing in the while. You are breathing into pain. But you're not taking on the pain you're breathing in the truth of the moment and then you exhale the truth with a Capital T. Which is compassion and love for all sentient beings. You are Ya because what I have found tongue land where before I avoided it because I thought it was me taking on other people's pain what I've learned is that it is acceptance of the moment and then it is compassion and connection for all of our experiences that it is a this is what's happening. I am not going to turn away but I'm also going to trust that in the midst of it. There's a lot of love because I think turning away right now is a privilege or a luxury if you really not looking at what's happening then you're not affected. June I mean and we have to all be in this together. I just went to the John Oliver Thing. Everyone should watch that. I'll put in the show notes. Yes John Oliver this week. I'll put it in the show notes. not around your kids a lot of bombs but speaking of people doing good thing. Let's hear things and this is like a week old. So it's kind of Old Ryan Reynolds and Blake lively donated. A million dollars to feeding American food banks And Food Banks Canada. Nice Zayn Williamson. You knew that US. No he was the number one draft pick for I think the New Orleans Pelicans How it can feel? Wow Yeah. They've been around a while He pledged to cover the salary of New Orleans. Arena workers for thirty days. China donated one thousand respirators machines. Two Million Masks Twenty Thousand Medical Scoot suits and fifty thousand cove in nineteen tests to Italy Italy for its help and China's initial outbreak China will also ties all Italian orders for respirators in its factories. And then lastly A man sent an anti Muslim tweet to a political candidate who then helped pay his medical debt. A man sent an anti Muslim tweet to a pinnacle political candidate in Virginia. He's not expecting the response. He received the Muslim Muslim candidate. Qassim Rasheed donated to the man's gofundme campaign to help cover medical day. Follow him on twitter side of that. Rashid said on social media that he later received thoughtful and compassionate. Apology from Dylan. Who I guess is the name of the guy who said the anti Muslim tweet who also asked that the aspiring lawmaker. Visit him which he did. They took a picture together. Shoot a photo of him and Dylan in a facebook. Post a tweet Sunday writing. Today I met my new friend. Oz Yeah and this was pre quarantine though because they they did get a picture together but so know somebody basically expresses some for lack of a better term evil and the evil transformed into love Right yeah he expressed pain not evil real pain and it came out as something unkind. And keep that in. Mind right now. If you're if you you know I think the last thing I'll say is the another thing that we should put in the show. Notes Bernard Brown has really quick video. You know she has a video of the empathy sympathy. She also has one about blame. And what blame is. And it's the funny one where she drops her. Coffee and blame. Steve Steve Steve. And by the way she was on sixty minutes on Sunday it was really Nice But the what blame is is us like all of our unfold pain. It's pushing it out at somebody else instead of feeling in processing it. It's pushing it out and this is one of these times we. WanNa make other people the problem instead of turning toward each other and realizing we're all in it together and I understand. I have some anger at Our President yes I do. I think that it's not. It's not a blame thing like oh. This is all one person's fault but this their balls have been dropped and they continue to be dropped and I have feelings about that and I'm not going to deny that but at the same time what can we do now. Are Things being done now? What did our state do? What did the Mayor of Chicago to? What is Cuomo doing what are in? It's not just Democrats. There's Republican governors. Who are doing amazing things to this is not about politics? But it's can we look to again Mr Rogers? The people who are helping instead of blaming it's such a waste of energy we can have feelings about something without exerting too much energy on making that always think about Like I canceled. I took twitter off my phone and I don't really look at twitter anymore except occasionally to put it back on just not on my phone but occasionally when I'm on my computer someone will said someone will text me and say did you see this tweet and I'll go look because I can't help all right guys Then talk tomorrow or later today and then probably Friday and maybe pop culture in this week who knows and I hope you guys are hanging in there and Just know that we're thinking about everybody and we're all in this together and we'll get through this we just have to hold hands virtually And do our best and take care of each other things listening. 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"Cochabamba's on Eighty W. unrestricted I've always been a person to impress his people over time. That's always been my theory I'm always a slow burn. That should have been my name slow. Burn coal to bed. To join me and Tony Shivani eighty w unrestricted powered by state farm. Listen now wherever you get your podcast. All Drago handout laxatives so just name and phone number if you like. Snapped! Yeah, thank you so much, really appreciate. Not Enough of this woman not. That's right. We are back. Welcome to the official. Impractical jokers podcast Casey. Jost. I'm James McCarthy, Im Tina Santomero, and we are going back in time again to watch the finale of season one. This is the last episode of season one very exciting. You can watch it on HBO. Max You could find mostly any episode of impractical jokers. You want watching HBO Max or go to TV and hopefully this episode POPs up I'm not sure how that works yet. Just and watch it. You should watch it one hundred. This is a great. It's my favourite finale of the entire series so far. Is Not good for job security? It's the only one that didn't work on. It's also a one one of a kind finale. So. We have a one of a kind guest Tina. It is Joe gadoe welcome Joe. Hey Buddy. Thanks for doing this job. I feel like I've seen you since I watched the after parties. This is great. We're talking season want we got the the season one finale? Basically your episode, which was very fun? She's in one finale. Can you hear from this season while? You look. For everything this is. That's a decade ago, I know. That was a heck. Haircut punishment, right? You gotta be gotTa be America's. He remembered a lot from the season one from year. Four way haircuts punishment right YEP got it. did we go back to white castle started no. No No, no, not in this episode. I don't I? Don't remember the. Rest of the episode on tickets. You WanNa. Take US through A. There's a line that that. Probably. Because, this is my favorite line from the episode. And it's all come I'll juggle and all hand out laxatives. Remember who said that and what that was from? From Dylan's candy bar. You said it. Boys it south. Juggle. Those. Candy Bar was great because that was I Remember Candy Bar was the first time we had to. kind of switch on the fly remember case they They said we could do a roommate. We do employees, IFP and all of a sudden. They're like no. You have to be at station. Right and we figure out what we could do as standalone we we, we surprise each other with what we pulled out and we had to say what we would do at parties. A kids parties right. That was a bit. And literally came up with that like two days before we were filming there, and then everybody's scrambled to just get like the weirdest props we can put together I mean I was watching it thinking. This is stuff that we would do now. Like Flap Jacks I thought was like the wing way he's like. The brick gain I think that. Any you know it's just weird. Legged and somebody mad again or something. I didn't make the cut I, remember I. Got Pulled out and I think that mannequin. Bonus that was re was reused at will facts and painted it to be the sex robot for Q. Very years. That makes sense. Yeah, with accident keeps. A jar of urine isn't there. A, you're not ashes I noticed. Yeah. There's a nerd. We're really hitting on. Also. You know they're hint for what else is in this episode, so it's an iconic Joe Gadoe. Okay So many though guys I mean. But think back. I think is one from. CREE! jokers days. NOSING Full nosing where we were at loose in the restaurant where everybody went and we will basilica. We're all go working as oh. My God that was so great, because I just rested my nose on that one for probably the longest had done it ever at that point so good. We actually had to cut it down how long I did. It wasn't enough time in the episode. Where like okay people get it but I had my nose on I by the hosts Dan forever yeah. Didn't oh. Oh. That was great Murray got caught in a great way, right? The person turned right into and they basically nose. Yes, yeah, that one was tough. Because I was, was you know I was getting releases at the time season one obviously, and it was so cold and I was like outside, because we didn't want to like sign people in the obviously the cheese, and that's all I had to like. Keep track of like okay. That person was not just got soup, so they're just starting their dinner. I was just waiting in the cold like staring at these people shivering like the hardest part of that was to that Most of them didn't even know anything happened right because. You had to wait I like. Yes, somebody put a nose on. You like what? You basically had the rats out. The Guy did it correctly. Nobody knew. I mean I completely lied I lied to everyone season. One I did releases. I was just like Oh were. You were you were in the shot? We're doing news and we need releases and people like you need releases for the news. or Yes next door of was an empty storefront that wasn't rented out, and there's basically just was basically just a garbage dump. It was just an empty, completely empty space that was under construction, and then they stopped doing construction, so we basically had to clear it out and make the best of it because when they showed up. This is when earlier back in the day when we didn't show up as early as we used to. After one realized like, we have to get the locations way earlier. So it was basically, we were standing I. Remember we standing on ply woods, and it was freezing it. They brought in space heaters, and it was sawdust all over the floor. It was craziness. I remember that one. That was. Wild, West back then. We didn't see you brought in space heaters and there was on the floor. Did we probably should. I love the queue was still a firefighter. was nosy bit. Going there was that another audible on the spot like it's too cold. It's just not everybody can get out of here. Because I had done in Cosco and it really had taken off at really enjoyed it, and then we all try to get it, and I was one of those things like sometimes when we do something in a bit. That was a little weird because I remember the guy saying Oh. We're not going to be as good as you at you because you have years of practice and a big nose at half like, but it's. It's just one of those things where it's funny to fail. It's funny to watch track. Exactly. For Moore was saying that last week on the episode. How like you guys early on realized that it's like Y'all have to accomplish it. It's even better if there's like big fails, and that's. That's part of the comedy. Cochabamba's on eighty w unrestricted. I've always been a person to impress these people over. Like, that's always been my theory. I'm always a slow burn. That should have been my name. Slow. Burn Coal Tibet bed. To join me, and Tony Shirvani for eight years w unrestricted powered by state farm. Listen now wherever you get your podcasts. Okay another thing that happened in this episode is interstitial talks. Maybe walk and talk. Yeah, those are those are great I think. That was such a great for the home. Audience to know really know who your personalities are and like you know. It was something that I think the network had originally said to that they wanted you to do, but you guys really like like everything made it your own, and that was it was we had had a conversation. That, we'd put in a cut I. Remember the first interstitial quote. Unquote was the chapstick conversation between Mar and sal in the stress of the shoe store, which to this day I think is one of our strongest bits ever I. put it up against anything we've ever done. And because it really had everything and when I did the first cut of it I left that. Combo, in and I remember showing her to the. The guys and I was like this is, does it I? We've never done this I said, but this people should see this. People should see us talking and it. It was as entertaining standing. We're doing. It was us being us and all that. So when they saw it marked jurors. The head of the network at the time had said you guys should put more of this stuff in, but every time we did it. It like it was always distracted because somebody was going, it was always three of us in the beats. Yes, one guy on the floor, so we had a piece of it, but it wouldn't be all of us just concentrating to do it so I said one day I said we were at a park. Let's just walk and shoot and just you know. Sit around and do it and see if it fits and we. We can use between bits. And that's our came differ wishing because we basically had our first interstitial live on the floor. You know and then that graduated to opping, being more comfortable and less focused on the bits, and being able just to get more comfortable production everything in open it up, and we shot for longer, and those beat the s moments just naturally came, and that's why we didn't need the interstitial anymore. Did like I. Forget actually who was show runner? When we started doing the interstitial, Fiji, so he was, he was like Casey. I need you. You know they want you to or he? He didn't say they he was just like I. Want you to write their interstitial swore that. was like what and he was like. Yeah, right what you want them to say. Things to talk about them, and even at that point I was like. Do you know these guys that? They're going to be off the cuff. I could take a weekend and write something that's. Get half a quarter as funny as if they refer two minutes. Yeah, I think that's people. Don't really takes people to get used to that strength of ours that we can just talk. Space Out Dinner Party. was you know came out, and that's what everybody loves about on where we love ballads. Just it's not scripted. We basically just talk each of us. Bring a little something that we're GONNA do. Sometimes you don't even have that and just works. so the next bit is. College. Yeah, this is where we're trying to sign people to sign up clubs. Yeah, yes, yeah, which is so funny, because even then you're thirty five years old data college up. What it? But it worked. I don't know it just felt like maybe like a Grad student or something. That was great stuff. The patient versity right and I remember we're up against the gun because it was about to start raining and there was a full like accident. Right by the. Two things happen. There was a ice cream move. Right outside. Enemies. Than than it. was going, and he was there and we were like this guy's got. He wouldn't move for nothing. He was like. You know, lose much money. This is my biggest on, so we had to wait deliveryman when move and right after the ice cream, man left, there was a huge accident on the entry to the FDR right there to the Brooklyn Bridge whatever whatever's right there and they win. If. There were sirens in the background and it just a whole ruckus right there and our towers were facing that new super distracting, so we had the flip it as always we literally just got that bit in which is yeah, which I remember, it was a crazy day, and it's a bit like I mean there's a lot of the first time we pay certain. Yeah I think I think that's our relationship, right? That wasn't before cues Rosie. O'Donnell Punchier, was it. Too right yeah. First Time. We went inside to pace, but I think that was our first bit with Pace University. There's a bit here that we haven't done sent. It was in the pilot I. Think and it's A. It's a location that we WANNA. Do again, but we haven't been able to get this location. What number is it in? The episode is four is the. Fourth bitten yeah. So it's a joke, joke, no. Call now. So fast. Yeah, they're cut down like very quick. So! Mer has to take a dump. He's like in a rush. Is One of the clue. Could be any bit across any. Sales. You did a lot of dancing. Do a lot of dancing I mean that's another one. That's a picket. Sal. Lose his virginity. And what about you? I think he refuses something I think. He's got a lady. We wanted vic sales going up to Lucy's virginity going well, it's the elevator. Yes, context clues. Curious gets a phone number he throws. He throws it. They get the phone number. Yeah, I remember that. Oh He's also hitting all the buttons to. Ask! Going annoying like sound. There's one of my that that guy that I danced in front of his one of my favorite. His reaction was fabulous. Oh an elevator here. I like the way elevator looks. It's a little scrappy, 'cause you. It looks like you just use the elevator camera. That's on there. It's like it's like a Pinhole to remember that we couldn't. We couldn't see the bt S for. We had to play backbeat. Yes, we couldn't see it real time because we didn't have the technology that time to broadcast I didn't even know that was that that was pilot wanted. We had to watch back so as we went up and we came down. We had say if we got to. The guys like this is fun. You guys your watch. This is funny. You should watch it and we'd have to reboot and watch it down. was that just for the elevator? Just the elevator? Okay, 'cause the the Old New York City. You know an elevator shift. There are trying to get our frequency to like you know wireless frequencies impossible, so I tried to use your cellphone elevator, right? And when you guys do that, it's so fun because like you know, it sounds like it's a nightmare, but really what you just do as you watch it like as if you're watching TV and you comment on it. It's it's so it does work in that way. It's just not ideal for tally. Reason it works for sales. Was Because Sal we had the? We knew what floor was stopping on, so we're were able to put it right when we punish sound the elevator rebel to put the equipment right outside the door on the floor. That sal was. Alive. Yeah, at that point. We had such better technology season. Watson and this one was the pilot we want. We basically used like. Whatever's on clearance at Radio Shack. We had pockets. How big was the crew on season? One? Like? Would you say? Eight people on our crew besides us, and it depends on the day because if it was had two different kinds of days if There was eight full-timers. Amazon for and Post, and then you know with PA's and stuff we probably were fifteen to twenty people that were you know? fulltime was probably forty, and then yeah, and then you know when on any shoe shoe day we're probably up there sixty five people. Yeah, it's it's changed a lot, but I mean became a real TV show, and we actually you know we actually shoot. We shot way more with less people like if you look at the number of bits you know. We did for. The math done for the two hundred episode per season eight to finish it out right and was five hundred and thirty seven. Bits five hundred thirty seven challenges that we in shot. and. Farmers are seven challenges and the punishments. However, many episodes were at two, hundred twenty. Whatever so it's pretty insane, think about. Think about how many jokes are an side bitten and think about how much comedy make right inside each job especially as I that you talk about like she's the season finale. If you do a season one finale to do a joke, cow inside that over. How many bits that we did you know we're? We're making you know this so much comedy comes through the show. It's crazy. Yeah, I mean even in this like a thing that happens which is so funny. It's like you guys are like Moore. You have to take a massive poop or you have to take a massive dump. That's what he said. And he goes in and you just see him go. poop alert. It's such a funny way of switching. What was like? He's like trying AH candy coated. It's pretty crazy. You WanNa talk about any other elevator ideas that we have or maybe we just we just save it with to see if they see if it happens. Future. Elevators are always fun, because it's instantly awkward and you know it always goes back to the days, when sound like in real life would hate, take elevators. What because he knew when those doors closed? I was going to do something to embarrass him. So. Just go right to. There's a big. There was a bit where we used to. We stand nose-to-nose and elevator and tries through the door shot. At pretend we didn't know. Each other to Stan does the vows, and I would I would at the floor like below the floor. We're getting often SALGA floor we were going to. We'd walk in. Just look at the numbers, and then I would get often soured. You stand up for one more. Yeah. We are on retreat took. TBS is new reality. Show were nine strangers are desperate to find happiness at any cost. Welcome to Allah rage ritual. Hail no last resort all new episodes on PBS. So. I have a question when I've ever visited the set. You're involved in a lot of the directing I feel like that goes on. Even though there is a director, a full director you're. You're making a lot of notes to that as well in season one when the crew was like a skeleton crew, were you directing all of the episodes or did you have a director? At that time, we had a show on a director, but we worked very closely with PJ and we worked very close. PJ was more. Involved in directing the shots. And the especially, because back then our BPM setup wasn't as robust ragged. See like the cameras as well and our crew could hear. US Austin all that stuff. You know the crew in season. One work in the cameras couldn't hear us. That's why we put them next to us like. If you'll notice the background, you'll see our crew it because it had to be in the same room. That's not the case anymore. Yeah so in the beginning when I wanted to be able to call shots and stuff, but he would be, he would direct the shots whereas I would direct the comedy we got. You know what we needed and things like that. That's really my main role is to say when we're done when I. Think we have enough I think that's where I really fill in. The blank also learned so much from your own show, which is impressed. Like the fact that you got to like, try things out and learn like editing stuff, and like you know you not only design designing your show as you're learning about the design show, and like yeah, you know it's crazy. The tool belt that you that you got just from. Even just this show is taught me. You know so much equip me to. Do you know my confidence level in? In being able to produce and all that come from jobs, because each each set is its own movie, the big thing is like punishments, basically short films. If you think about it, they might like shorts. You know we have it like scripted. We know how it's GonNa. Go if you look at some of them. Some of them aren't but a lot of them are just basically follow like like. The way I screwed. It sows mind that you know blowing his mind and season eight, my favorite apartment on Sal, the the no punishment punishment punishment punish brunch. We did you bored of. It was. Actually overshot that on purpose I. Don't know if you remember when we had the phone call because I had to talk. You guys into a little actually at the talk. Everybody into nobody's willing I. Remember First Conversation was with and Murray accusing I. Just don't get on my duty. I see as like he's GonNa Unravel. It's GonNa. You know I, see it Blah Blah. We talked out they got on board and she was accused great, because like. If somebody's passionate about something, he has the faith. Faith and be like look, do it. You know if you think it's GonNa work that Willy. Try His trusts US enough to do that. And then you Simi Great, too. Because at a point I just had like guys. It's just GONNA work. You're just GonNa have to trust me and I don't think we've ever steered each other wrong. Because sometimes like we've had conversations where it's gone the other way where I talking loud and as I'm talking to you guys I realized it's not going work. You. Know what maybe maybe we need a little bit more, or or whatever so, but I think in that one I remember the competition being like semi just said he was like all right. Just shoot a lot, so we have a lot of options. In case, something works better and each thing we did blew his mind better than I could have hoped. You know you can't plan the unexpected and we're not afraid to embrace the unexpected like we won't try to get it. It back on track. We love when it goes off the rails because that's where our improv skills come in and where we can. Just you know we know we know what's funny to us. You know and we just keep on. You Know Hammer not home so now that you said that I. Want to bring up a really fun fact about this final punishment in the episode. This was a four way punishment which hasn't happened since and you guys all messed with your looks. This was the pilot. You didn't have a television show yet, so you had done this without being on television. All kind of wound. Your looks like you had to go to work at the Fire Department with that. I, remember coming into the bar at a cargo. And he worked in that wearing like his hair link and a couple of days later he shaved it, but I remember being like what are you doing and it was just like it's for the pilot. It'd be like even a series yet, and you're. That's an incredible thing that you all messed with your look like without even having a show. Yeah, but that's what you. Keep the mullet. Day 'cause I have my next day off. Then I had to go back to work the reason why I couldn't shave. My Air was because I had my job and I. I was working as the sales. Person in the in the store and I couldn't I couldn't. Go to work with. Dyed hair, or whatever I like I needed to keep my my look professional. I don't know who was a Walmart I. Feel like it would. giggle baby I mean that was. You know so it was. It was a little different, but I remember also we would like. We had to do that to one guy right, we couldn't shave. Everybody's at because ended traffic like we wanted. And then my look was just so ridiculous like our stupidest with long hair and a mole man's down, it was made correct sales had long hair and his life Murray. Be Pretty impossible to do because we don't have to do with a wig. Thank, God. We didn't because we were able to do that. With Q. Later in life, and then Q. Q. and look at Shelley's either face. Stupid accused US cues perm is like a different thing altogether to. Actually Q. I. Think we actually said we have to perm one of us. Chew. Balked and left, and like all right, so you're. Looking like it was like there's no way he chose to the firehouse like that right he had to shave. He went. One day. One day that was the agreement we all made was we had to do it one day after just to make it feel like even more of a punishment and Murray I think his job whatever want, but my. They didn't realize that my next day was the day all. Got One over them. Murray like there's a moment where like that that I think could have happened at any season as well as like sal, putting the shaving cream on, like even the in the first season or the pilot. Even he has this like I, can't really? It's really funny that that dynamic is still there and it was there from the beginning. He's like he's the one who's like messing with. Moore's head is really good. Yeah I mean I couldn't believe the biggest thing was when we were gonNA Shave Murray's eyebrows and I can't believe how anti the guys were when I was. Guys are just GonNa. SHAPE was eyebrows nowhere. They'll go back and like. We can't do that without cell like don't worry. Don't go back a week. When we shaved his like that is a legit moment of like friendship and concern that salad cue have like they all blown away that we did that's him. I feel like I, think we feel like we cross the big wine there me on the other hand I was like the back. I know Marie I know what he's. I know his line and I didn't feel like that crosses line. I was right. You know they were talked into it, but it was so funny. If you look us face when that first moment we shaved murrays eyebrow, that is one of the moments of the series that we chew gets blown away as if it happened to him my. There's a lot of hair and like look things in this in this show, which is just like it's, it's not like going to the well. It's like it's it's going to your strengths. I think so, but I mean we always use them and away right? We don't just do them like we'll use them for something which is kind of fun I think in the beginning. We just kind of did it because it was just a shock casinos that way, but now it's like all right now. You'll look like this now. Now go do that. You know what I mean. Yeah like. We're GONNA. We're GONNA. Shave your eyebrows now. Go get a driver's license. You know like like you know you need that extra layer to make it feel and Komo visting, and even if you do it, it's always a new spin. That's not like doing i. mean you guys are the hyper aware of never repeating ideas? If it comes to close, you guys are like. Let's not do that, so that's. It's always good to have you know the creatives not. Yes on their laurels in that way. Yeah, but we're also not afraid to retry so that we have more comedy in mind for it and I think you have to like. I said earlier the number of bits that you shoot it impossible not to repeat stuck like Kranj us will always be. We can do that a million times. It's always funny. It's just it's just something about it. That's why fans gravitate towards. That's why we love doing it. It's just something funny about the church left not being able to laugh. You're saying these ridiculous things. It works and sometimes if the throw Dan Jost into it to spice it up and. The comedy steady out. Yeah, that's right. Then he outshines doesn't have. He gets his speaking about going back. Murray said about the PREMIERE EPISODE COSCO PROBABLY NOT A place. We're going back. Is there anyplace from this episode that they're done with us? Is it Dylan's? Is it Veselica? Dylan's. John Deere accurate. Yeah Yeah. We get go back there for sure I think I. The guy plays that does forever. I just like here. I says I think was like really like is like. Literally nobody from the staff of ICA talk to us all day. There was no one there. No one was working the section. Literally we were, we spent the. Day I swear to God selling Swedish furniture than we did on our comedy show like we were helping people. Take us up because we. And you just like slipped into you're. Talking about the hurricane and you know I, wasn't i? I was doing with so ridiculous there, which is really fun, but I don't know if I would ever have us back after we finished it like they're awesome. Huge brands that I would love to get into I. Just like you know. I love getting into places where people have questions and you really they have something to say like best buy would be the best for me. There's people genuinely need help there with technology they they're looking for informed people you know could hardly find somebody so when you do which I hope you. Like that everything has four versions, it's a humidifier for version. Direct men. That's just like a conversation. You could have you know what I mean you could be like I would I would love to love to eventually shoot at a best buy you know. I think that would be so much and I. Love Best Buy and their product and everything about this by this by Mr bed I just. I'm the member. I'm a platinum member so. I'm not that that pushes any way when you guys give a call the best buy. All right. Let's go. Let's do it. I can't wait to get a call from Dylan's candy bar. WHO's like? No, we love we want you. Which I think you'd like as a candy man. You know I I. Bet you I have no problem going back there. Yeah, I mean I go there on my own. Man. Joe We've got to ask this season finale. To where does it rank for you out of all the season finales? Good question. which, first one, which is which is something to be said about that I think there's a lot of comedy in it. I think a one of our strongest season finales. I mean it ranked for sure I mean it's definitely it's definitely top eight if I have to put it. Yeah I think I think. If I had to pick my favorite season finale though. nitro Circus Anthony. because. I cheated death it. I dress circus I think. Wow, the thing for me is if you look at shows, we've always with the mentality to make our premier stronger than our finale. So because when the finale happened, we were over with the premier. You WanNA show people. Hey. Come tune in next because we got got stuck so I think our premieres of always been stronger than our finale across the board and I think that's something and if you look at the way, we air the way they're true TV. Ariza's is that you know we need. Multiple season premieres because we have a twenty six episode order, so we back multiple times, and we have multiple finales or would feels like finale. We have a midseason finale and we speak about four major episodes to. Our premier are midseason finale are midseason premiere and our season finale, so it's a lot. To have to come up within stack. Stack the deck with your comedy. Yeah, so in our first. When our first season they ordered eight episodes of the show, and we got an extra eight episodes of back argument, but I remember. You'd always like. You taught me how to do that, but you would always have like the the board with the cards of each bit and the punishments like just the name of it written, and you'd so you could physically see what the episode would look. I don't know what that's called, so I'm just trying to explain it to them. Listeners we had Apple Episode Board, which has has challenge index card, and each punishment on next guard, and we would basically just be able to. Because each one's edited on their own, it be able to swap bits out and place them to make the funniest was the four-way hair punishment from the pilot? Was that always was at number eight? And then you got more, and then you put at sixteen like. was that always the finale? Yeah, okay? It had to be right because you can't come back to the haircuts right right and you knew that it was strong enough to okay great. Yeah, that's. It was also it was felt like a season finale felt like a finale. You still right though about premieres because I think like skydiving. Is the premiere episode. Area Right? Yeah, that's that's interesting. Yeah, that's cool to go out the gate like that rather than folklore. After you got especially, you WANNA put your funny stuff first and then quickly we just everything became pretty equally as funny and it was like okay. They're easier to build the episodes you know and then I think there's a couple where you look at them and you're like. This isn't the strongest episode that we we've had, but it's hard because when you go up against such iconic things you know, of course stuff is gonNA fall a little. Lower on the ladder you know just be entertaining and not just be as Konica thing. Well stay iconic. Thanks for having me I gotta get. 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Ep 124 How to Prep for a Bodybuilding Show ft. IFBB Pro Mitchell Spadafore

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Ep 124 How to Prep for a Bodybuilding Show ft. IFBB Pro Mitchell Spadafore

"We believe that you are strong by design and you were made in God's image to have a strong body mind and spirit you're listening to the number one strengthen health authority podcasts in the world. So, let's get ready to unlock your potential and transform your life in today's episode. Hey, there and welcome to another episode of the strong by design podcast. This is your host today coach Chris. Wilson. Sitting in the room with me is I F. B., B., pro men's Physique Bodybuilder Mr Mitchell spot for welcome to the show buddy. Thank you very much. Always good to have you. Absolutely. You, you still have a few calories left to burn up after a along Youtube Filming Day. Yes. Eh We've got some great content from from Mitchell today in the compound along with a facebook live and So I'm excited to just be sitting down. He's having a black coffee right now with his water ever-present he's well hydrated as all of high-level physique guys like like Mitchell but he what makes him a little bit unique is the fact that he's done this naturally to this point and got there at a very young age at the age of only. Twenty one you're got your pro card as a men's physique I. I have bb pro, which there's not a lot of guys that can say that right so we have 'em here today because it was several months back that he just ended up wandering into the compound was some some friends that we that we made that day for workout and we got to talk with him and get to know each other and just clicked right away really outgoing, very friendly easy to talk with low loves to work out very passionate about exercise. Obviously. There's a lot of things there that connected US instead of my right similar interests, similar interest right and then we've come to know him in in other capacities. He attended a special men's group with us some months ago got to know him a little bit more personally there We've been following him obviously on social media IF PEOPLE WANNA check you out what what is your instagram? Yeah. My instagram is Mitchell I f pro- that's Mitchell with two l's always have to include that because of course, there's some Mitchell that are changing the name. Yeah. So he is the original Mitchell, IFP pro on Instagram, and if you WanNa, see some Nice biceps. If you WANNA see vacuum stomach vacuums if you WANNA see a teeny waste with a Great v taper and wide shoulders go check out his instagram and it. There's some really good stuff on there but we wanted to talk today obviously by the title of this episode about all. Their that goes into bodybuilding. into getting ready for a show. But I want dial back to when you were younger and this passion this burning desire that you had to even. Perform at that level stage right to get to that level, the discipline, and the the the word is all that come from what? What was the starting point for you that you had in your head like I WANNA do. This is what I WANNA do, who is your inspiration who who just got you headed in that direction. So ton for the little bit I was always an athlete and then I like I told you before when I graduated High School I felt a little lost and was not sure what to do physically because I I didn't know what I do I mean couldn't play basketball football I mean there wasn't like organized sports similar to high school. So I got a gym membership and worked out for like six months or so I graduated at one hundred and forty five pounds and just to give a little comparison on one hundred ninety pounds now and I had a friend of mine in the gym. Asked me say Hey Mitch. You ever think about doing a physique show before and I'm like physique show what's that I had no clue him nineteen years old actually I was eighteen at the time and I was like you know what? Why not give it a try and there was twelve people in the gym that were supposed to do the show and I was the only one that ended up doing it and. I'm very glad I did and where's this take place where this was in Michigan so I'm like I'm originally from Metro Detroit and That was wasn't even the show that was central states twenty t fifteen. No excuse me twenty fourteen. Yeah. Wow. It's been a long journey. Spent a fun journey. So I did central states on the following week I did The Western Michigan and I took third in both my open classes and of course, I was discontent with my placing and didn't understand why because I felt as though my physique was better than others and initially when I first started bodybuilding I was under the impression that Excuse me cold calling. I can hear myself like. This guy's great. I'm getting cottonmouth guys and I swear like myself spew in the background like do what you gotTa. Do Me and if you need to take a Te'o, give me like a hand. In hand gesture. Fill the airwaves. Okay. Sounds good. Okay. I'm like I'm like I can hear myself talking I don't know if anyone. Okay So. As I got into competing. So like I said, I started competing at nineteen I took third in those shows and I didn't understand why and I went back to the judges and I asked him and they said you need to work on your posing presentation and your ability to hold poses for long durations and also your ability to presentation because. With bodybuilding? You can put an all the work. But if you WANNA present your physique, you're not going to win. You're not going to win you posing as I say seventy to eighty percent of the battle. If you don't give adequate enough of time to pose throughout prep, it will show on stage and I know this to be at absolute fact because we've had Mr. John Hanson in here numerous times. Posing he's not been on the podcast show. We've done youtube with him for years. And he's been around this world of bodybuilding for over forty years. Right and that's one of the number. One things that he that he talks about is like. You can have the physique all day long all the work but if you are not dedicated to the to posing into putting your body in the positions, knowing how your body looks good and what doesn't look good for your body exactly. Then you have no chance onstage. It's not just about just showing up like it's all this other work. So you got that at a young age, you had somebody that was actually at least told you pretty straightforward back you need to work on your posing your stage presence. So I went out in reached out. So I knew a local judge in the Michigan area and I went imposed with him at his gym out in Bellevue was like an hour away from my hometown. And it was good. But the best thing that you can do is is just continuous practice in think about posing if you're an aspiring bodybuilder and you desire to be even natural bodybuilder professional anyways you need to focus on posing like it's part of the sport it's similar to let's let's say we're GONNA study for a math test and we want to leave out section for chapter six and seven. It's leaving out a couple of chapters. It's like it's like missing those little little intricate details that mean a ton in another thing that I wanted to bring up was a even even talking about tracking food in some people talk about fasting and. I didn't eat that much I kept my calories low and sometimes most people are eating enough in you're not losing as fast as you would in your metabolism isn't regulating fast because you're under eating so much in when you're in that much of a caloric deficit, your body is deprived. So it's the metabolism isn't going to speed up it's not going to regulate and when you're eating these complex sources such as chicken chicken, Turkey beef, rice potatoes, you get the point though whole food sources on your body ten like it'll speed up in the reason I know your metabolism speeds up after you eat because. If I go four hours without eating and I don't eat after four hours hunger starts starts to subside and when you're hunger subsides, your metabolism is slowing down. That's what's taking place. So when I eat right after I'm hungrier after I ate. And people are like. Why am I still hungry and I think that's a misconception society because people feel as though they need to be full in order to feel Sadler always cramming food by down there or they'll eat until they're uncomfortable right? That's a big thing and I think in our culture, the world, the land of abundance here in the United. States, right. You don't have to go far for your tripping over grocery stores or or or quick quick stop places where you can get food or sex or sandwiches or whatever. Reiten people are just used to fast food. Yes. Food always being like available to them. and. So we're always end. We're never giving our digestion, a break or recovery time or whatever, but I think that's where so many people. So obviously posing as is a huge part of bodybuilding but nutrition is like I think Larry, Scott Yup right who's just known as one of the greatest bodybuilders back in the day right fifties and sixties and stuff he would say like. Bodybuilding like eighty percent nutrition. It is I? Think you would say right because if you're really dialed in there, know what works for you because what works for you and what works for me could be different right. But if you know what works for you and you've gone through the process and try different things and experiment. Yeah. If, that's not like on point. You have you just you're not going to show up nearly your potential I mean exactly and as good as you look right now you're like. Eight to ten weeks from being ready for for the stage. Exactly which is crazy and you're like ten percent body fat right now it's like there's still like two to three months worth of work traditionally. Workout wise. You're probably fine in terms of the muscle but now it's about fine tuning everything in shifting and reshaping and that's all new on the side of nutrition. Our team would like to thank you so much for listening to the strong by design podcast. And if you're enjoying today show, please share this episode with at least one friend or family member who will benefit from this message. And please subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. Go to strong by design podcasts DOT COM that's strong by design PODCAST DOT COM. Let's get back to the show. So, another thing that I want to include is also is cardio. Of course, cardio is crucial for prep. If you if you don't do enough cardio, you won't up condition that's easily noticeable. I had to come in extra extra condition because. It when you're when you're extremely condition, your shoulders were show everything will show more in detail and being a natural competitor. I needed to get his condition as possible and to give you a little insight of the amount of cardio that I was doing. Right before the show in June two, thousand seventeen. I was doing sixty minutes of cardio six days a week and it was a nonstop jog and I would literally job just I'd so. This is the other thing with cardio that I find you learn little things that like give you. just a little. Comfort almost like it makes you feel okay. That makes me feel better about it. So for example, what I'd do is I'd set a thirty minute timer and then jog for thirty minutes just around the block and then when that thirty minutes is up, I, reset the timer and go back and then if I get back before the sixty minutes up, then I would run a couple. Laps around the block or so and and that was what I did. Then did kind of mess up my feet a little bit like running that much on concrete and So this this past year when I was cutting down, I did all my cardio, a football field. So I was running on a track and it was Labrador on my knees. So I was thinking more long term rather than just thinking of winning that pro card like I was. I'm sitting here and I'm listening to you say that and I'm thinking most people when they think Bodybuilder Physique Guy Guy on stage with all this muscle he's not out running. Yeah. But that's what you did into condition yourself to too I mean I obviously this helped in the leaning out is Lloyd also helped your cardio function, your cardiorespiratory, your cardiovascular function but I know guys to when they were in prep mode high level guys competitors that I would work around they would just sit on these recumbent bikes or stationary bikes and just ride not like they're doing a spin class but they would. Just sit five, am six am I'd I'd be like training clients and stuff and I see these like these guys get ready for the show only weeks out they'd be on that bike every morning for like an hour or whatever. That was their go to thing. Yeah probably because it's less impact it at a younger age because he's got these guys were all they were in their thirties probably to forty and at that time but I'm thinking for you like your joints everything's still probably felt pretty good. Yeah and you weren't so like a big big heavy to plus sixty five, right so running for you works. As a form of cardio conditioning, what are some of the other forms of Cardio that you've known bodybuilders high level guys like you to do to to get ready for show yeah. So the most common form of cardio I'd say for all bodybuilders is either the stairs or inclined treadmill. A lot of people are a big fan of the inclined treadmill. Usually what they'll do is they'll do an incline on fifteen do level three speed into a for. thirty to sixty minutes and That's one form and other former stairs. There's are a little bit harder on my knees for me personally I get so bored doing cardio on machine that I I would rather I'd rather look at a blank wall then do cardio sometimes because I get. So bored I'd rather I'd rather just walk the track walk at the football I don't think that's uncommon. I think a lot of people think that probably people listening are like. If. You know anyone listening. That's like interested in bodybuilding probably like what can I do to not be on a piece of cardio and still get my conditioning I need in. But like you said, go to a track, go to a field even like so you're not pounding the you know anytime you're on pavement or sidewalk or stuff If that's your only option, then go for it. But if if it's a regular thing, it's you're better off on like a grass source or on a track for sure right or even on A. On a an indoor court situation, you know like around that perimeter of a basketball court and it absorbs. That pounding so much better. That's my group exercise classes are on wood wood floors there not like hard concrete floors that would like really kill your knees and your ankles and your hips over time So So you're saying the stair stepper which. I mean I'd rather do just about I'd rather like pull my fingernails out. Oh my gosh and use their stepper. No. Thank you. I. Do like we have a water rower here which I really like because that's like a nice full body movement water rower, the concept Eroors, and I think those are probably pretty nice pretty on the body We have the air bike which I know you know that's Just a different type of stationary bike. I love the ARC trainer The ARC trainer motion I like almost like you're climbing big stairs So any of these would work. And it's is it really a more about the talk of the the amount of time that you spend doing at a moderate pace? Is that kind of what the you're not trying to like burn yourself out you're trying to like get in the minute? Yes. So with bodybuilding specifically, this is the point of it to hold as much muscle as you can while cutting, that's the main main point in a Lotta people. They. I. Find that they lower their food too fast in when you lower your food too fast in added a bunch of Cardio. You'RE GONNA, Deplete Yourself, YOU'RE GONNA lose muscle now. It depends on the circumstance because someone who's natural and has done that. Are they going to be able to progress as fast building back up of course not. But when you're on performance enhancers, you're able most competitors that are on things. Aw, you're able to grow throughout The. Prophet self in in that and that's very common but with competing naturally it's it's not as It's not a similar in another thing with competing is people. People almost sometimes too scared to get small especially towards the end like like the people people will go let's say eight weeks. Get down to the nitty gritty left four weeks left in the given at the four week point in cheat and they'll have some peanut butter in the in in they'll. They'll give themselves a get out of jail card Kinda like what you were talking about how I don't I don't need to do this I don't but. If you want to accomplish that, then you do need to do this in. I think I think scale like food scales I think there's too much. Bodybuilding orientation behind it. It's it's It's just control. It's a way to control what you're intaking I mean when you're changing the oil in your car. You have to know how many quarts of oil to put in your car. But when we look at tracking our food, that's something that's so scary and so dangerous and in so frightening and because what what if it's not enough water for still hungry Well. You figure something out and I mean you eat something I find. Like lemonades deal that I was telling you about I put water and a little bit of lemon juice. A little bit of Stevia stir that up. That's good go or even BCA's. So another thing that I use on prep in when I really really want something and when you want to give in is popsicles. So I'll make like a popsicle thing and just would be as or hundred percent zero calories. You have one of those little desert and and you feel a lot better after. Thank you so much for listening to the strong BYDESIGN podcast. This episode is brought to you by unlock my gluts dot com. Find out why everything you know about training your body's largest muscle for greater shape firmness strength and long term health is wrong. VISIT UNLOCK MY GLUED DOT COM for the number one exercise to develop around her stronger but. That's unlock my gluts dot. com. Remember Lee Hayward when we've talked with him in the past, he had his own little. Recipe for ice cream, he would take like frozen berries, maybe mixed berries or specific barry. Blueberry. Strawberry and he mix it in with some type of plane Greek yogurt. And some US cooper protein couple scoops of protein powder and he would just blended you know, and then it becomes this kind like fairly thick and put it back in the freezer and that was his his kind of go to treat to satisfy the sweet tooth because. We all have it on some level, and then there might be those anomalies those people out there I don't eat sugar at all I. Don't you know it's like all right I guess you don't. Need something. Right most of us have a sweet tooth on some level, and if we can skip out on the the ice creams and the cakes and cookies and stuff and get away from that stuff, that's a win But at some point, we probably need to have something as our Goto item like you said, you have your homemade little lemonade recipe satisfies a need It's like man if I if I just have that I'm good exactly for the day now I don't need anything else like sweet. Took care of it. What about for just like do any regular fruit? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I usually mixed berries once a day that's usually my main fruit source because of the antioxidants because of the five five or sources as well. I was explaining to you that I always track my fiber and make sure I'm getting at least twenty, five to thirty grams so that my food is I just improperly and I can absorb the nutrients that. Use offer training and I. Find that I like using the mixed berries pre-workout everyone's different. Now for me I like having. A decent amount of fiber pre workout. So my body kind of digest everything so much smoothly now. I've had clients where I've given them an and it makes them some bloated. So like it kind of depends on the person, it also depends on how much you're having a usually have less than a serving size I have one hundred grams or so and and usually I'll put that on a microwave the frozen berries an I'll put a little cinnamon on top. And that's that and it's even that that little tree right there just helps. You just stuff like that like cinnamon addict cinnamon to like a coffee or something right I. Love that. Yeah. People just simple little things and satisfy you that are barely any calories whatsoever I mean a cup of black coffee is like one or two calories in it. It's like it's virtually like having water. Now me I would rather just have a cup of water then have black coffee I'm I'm I'm a cream and Stevia guy you know but that's that's that's me. When I was that was one of the most miserable aspects I told you I did of that fasting. Weeks last summer and I. Wasn't GonNa like not drink coffee. So I had black coffee during this two week period. It was the most miserable I was like choking it down but I, knew I needed it because otherwise I would add caffeine withdrawals probably because I'm a coffee. Two to four cup a day coffee guy. Oh Yeah. I'll have two cups every day in the morning and then like right now I'm having a coffee and then sometimes even later in the day off. So but I do drink a lot of water. So I make a lot of trips to the to the men's room you know but you know I'm willing I'm willing to do that because I know how important the hydration is and I tried to make up for the all the coffee and drinking with extra water. Some always trying to sneak in a cup of water here and there in between stuff I wanted to ask you. Because at this point as a twenty, four year old you've been natural but I, know you've. been exposed to the other side of PD's of of all sorts. And is that something that you're at some point you sworn that offer is that something that you said you know I'm open to like trying is L- If I if I do it the right way with someone who knows what they're doing and it's coming from a credible source because that's something that you're to try and like level up in what you do So to go in depth with that. People who are close to me do know this answer and ever since I went pro. I said I will be Mr and I don't say that arrogantly by any means I say it because I believe in myself and I know it's already happened in I. Know It's going to take place anyways. Yes I plan on taking performance enhancers I'd say. I don't want to give a timeframe because I mean I said six to eight months even this past year. But this past year, it just didn't happen I definitely will do my for show natural. I. Want to do that to see where lineup against everyone else I mean just just to try it because I know for a fact, I would have regrets knowing like, Hey, I, didn't try this to see where I was just line in and then six months later, I start taking stuff with Dr Recommendations and taking things in fashion that it's it's for health not not for the greater goal to get huge per se because of course, a performance enhancers a lot of people don't understand that it really balances out your imbalances. So for me personally being a natural competitor, my upper chest, my rear doubts, my shoulder caps In my traps are not as thick as someone that would to be on performance enhancers. So would it Kinda does fills in the areas a little bit in especially with like testosterone it is. It's like a gap filler it some degree, right because the base kind of needs to be there if you go back and listen to old interviews or I mean, maybe even more recent stuff from some of these older legendary competitors let's take Arnold for for for instance, right you could see when the guy was fifteen or sixteen years old. He was going to have a physique. Of course, you could see it of course, same Jon Hansen. I see old pictures of him when he was a teenager and you can't tell me that that kid wasn't gonNA didn't have the gene. Yeah. You know what? I mean the muscle genes, right arnold had it to arnold trained with heavyweight and did all the compound complex movements and in very young age and built his body up national really to be very strong and he had this you know he had the over six foot frame. Just, a large man he is competing plus six feet tall at. Forty pounds or whatever, and that's a big man. You know what I mean and but he had the base like you have the you you. You've put yourself you've lined up all your ducks Gripe and then it's building from there. It's not like I. Think the misconception is people think. Me At forty four years old I have never used anything but I've never been competitive bodybuilder either right but I've never used anything just because I it just I knew once you make that choice it's like what are you GonNa do with that now because you better be all in if you've never been all in before you better be all in now because. If you're not doing all the right things, all the same disciplines, the eating habits, the workouts, all those things are now like really that much more important. Definitely I. mean these guys they get discredited almost for like using this or using that guy sees a cheater. You're not seeing in like the hours of work every day yet that that that went into aside from the fact that they might be. Taking this or taking that correct. Yeah I mean I. I just think that people think you take something and then all of a sudden you're you're Jay Cutler yeah. Yeah. No, that's not how it works it. They're still so much to it and had they arnold would say that he would use stuff back in the day. Competition. But I believe there's a lot of time period there where he wa- he was natural. He was not using anything and then maybe to help him get the edge to get lean leaner to get the cuts right to get like I think a lot of that work was all how he how he trained how he slept in all those things young was doing yeah, it's it's it's all a bigger picture. Of course, I have friends that when they're getting ready for a show, they're on more aggressive performance enhancers and when they're not getting ready for his show, they cycle off and then they take to saas during the off season and that's probably the best way to do it What's funny is you think people would go all in that. You were saying people would go all in once they start taking steroids usually a lot of people that take steroids they're looking for the easy way out especially when. They don't have aspirations to compete. They don't really have a long term goal. They just want to look good. They WANNA. Jack they want to get huge. And Select Guy that works at T. Mobile. Yeah. But he also likes to spend twenty hours a week at the gym right and look good. He's not a competitor he just wants to be huge in. Exactly. But he also on the each one time a day. And he expects to to see results like I don't understand that but I've personally had several friends where they were telling team at the gym a tell me what they were taken and I'm like dude, you're not even eating what you need to be eating how how do you expect to see changes when you're not even eating what you're supposed to be you have to they're not fueling themselves. At All Thank you so much for listening to the strong design podcast to help our show reach more listeners just like you please. Let us know how we've changed your life. By leaving a five star rating and review on I tunes. Go. Strong Design PODCASTS DOT COM. That's. By design podcast. Dot Com. Let's get back to the show. I like using the analogy of feeding a newborn baby. If you don't feed a newborn baby and you're looking for it to grow into get strong and similar to how people are with bodybuilding, you're not going to see the results you you have. You can't skip that step. It's it's literally you're you're missing a large portion if. You decide to not not take part in eating healthy. Eating healthy is also eating enough in in order to eat enough you have to track you do have to track like you. I. Like you log to use on my fitness pal is US everything on my fitness pal I tried everything in there and then for my clients I, view their tracking on my fitness pal and see how they're doing for the week and some check INS and and It it helps. It helps a lot in my fitness pal specifically like it makes a big big difference just tracking and knowing because. I'll track my four meals and sometimes we'll try to guesstimate. I'll be like I'm probably like hundred grams of protein two, hundred grams of carbs fifty grams of fat I'll track it and I'm at like eighty grams of protein like hundred grams of carbs in thirty grams fat and I'm like, yeah see what I'm saying you can't guesstimate you can't. You can't because you soon and then I talked to other bodybuilders and they're like, oh, foreign chickens foreign says chicken you can judge it. Okay. But if I'm off by half an ounce for five meals a day five times half of announced, it's two point five ounces that's basically another serving a chicken so. Back in just to give an example of how this can hold you back in competing back in twenty sixteen, I, I took it upon myself to eat a little extra chicken without tracking it, and I wasn losing the way I was supposed to basically and That's what it was just eating an extra. It was like an extra hundred or two calories and it's clean food like I wasn't cheeser but it was I was eating off of the plan in I was telling myself. Oh, it's okay. You don't you're you're eating healthy. You're you're eating healthy and that you're able to do that. There's no problem with that whatsoever and that was that was my second year competing. So now I've been I've been strictly like I said I. Haven't done a show since twenty seventeen but I never took time off like I I've been training consistently for six six to seven days a week and What's funny is I got my bag everywhere I go doesn't matter from flying across the country or from driving across the country like every single place I go to I'm bringing food, but that's what sets me apart is that's what will set me apart in the long run is those little little intricate details That go along way mend if let's let's say you're out and about with the family and then they they are hungry you're gonNA to be eating fast food. It's likely it. It happens now if you had your food on on you. Already prepped already prepared already. Wait. You can what I'll do personally is I'll eat it before like I'll eat before everyone needs out to eat and you're still having a grand old time. You're still included in the crowd. You still have a social life because I remember when I first started competing people were like you don't you can't have a social life you can't go out it's time to it's too tempting to just be around people that are drinking and partying and eaten all this food and. It's it's about what you make of it though it's not their choice it's your choice. That's right and what's funny is when I would work some people would feel bad for me and I tell them like guys. I. Want to do this right I'm not being forced not forced to know yeah, I don't really enjoy eating it but off food is it's supposed to be used as. Energy Right. I feel like us as a society has changed our perception of what food is food is something that we've made. It's a happiness its brightness food makes me happy and there's nothing wrong taking pleasure in in in a meal here in there you know what? I mean but we've made every single time. We sit down to have to be a pleasure a a pleasure experience. Sometimes food just really needs to be sustenance to like keep you alive and keep everything working and give your body protein and fat and carbohydrates said that your brain works in your organs work and and your muscles are getting what they need. Yup. But. Doesn't always need to be this pleasurable thing, and that's where you know the go-to quick stop places of really killed most people's I guess they're disciplined or their commitment or their consistency right? Because it's too easy to grab the morning breakfast sandwich with the coffee it's too easy to go and and stop at you know name any fast food place. For lunch or stop at a place on the way home because you don't feel like cooking when you get home and I get it I'm a husband I'm a I'm a Dad that does happen on occasion but for the most part and I'm very fortunate that I have a wife that likes to cook and on the weekends quite often she'll cook in bulk so that we have stuff that we can just grab and go the chicken breasts. I, ate for lunch while you were having your your stuff you know just having some of that ready to. Cook Chicken on a Sunday for the week. Yeah. So he got chicken breasts and you can cook it how you like it and and then so you got your chicken and then you can do little potatoes or you can do little bags of keen wild brown rice or something. Right. You can have some fruits and berries and stuff it's preparation really isn't we make it out to be some extraordinarily Ruling think yeah, it's not hard. If dedicate a few hours on a Sunday, your setup for like the week and so most of us just don't go to that extreme and so then we're we're just stuck During, the week making these rash decision when we're when the hunger takes over your your dad right because you're just going to go for the quick foods thing when you're hungry. Just given anything you do you don't care for sure. I tap the table when you said that because I was like I can when I hear things from people it. It's intriguing. So Some. Some look at what I do is extreme, but it's not that hard like. I bring food with me where I go in and I cook every four to five days. Now with chicken usually I'll cook like seven eight pounds I'll I'll eat it for two days, and then after the second day, I'll freeze remaining portions in sandwich bags, and then with the sandwich bags I'll pre way those all right the in ounces that I have on there. So then basically you can bring that to work, bring it wherever put in the freezer, and then when it's time to eat it, you just microwave it and then it's already all wait out it's already apportioned and you track near my fitness pal so it's It's all about your perspective and all about how easy or hard you make it to be and. Is Kinda reminds me of the presentation that I was telling you about earlier on how to eat healthy while working nine to five and when I was explaining to people in Corporate America for Motor Company that they. You have to have a mental shift I. If you want to have any change in your life whether it's physical mental or spiritual, you have to shift your attitude to what is going to take place and how this process is going to be, and the other thing is that. You're not either either your goal is important to you or it's not important and if it's not important, then you're going to be okay with doing things that that you're like, oh, I don't feel like doing that I don't feel I don't feel. That statement I don't feel like it put feeling like it is. is temporary because you if you feel lazy for, let's say five ten minutes whatever you that can society that can go away in you can Emotion is energy in motion. So if you're not feeling like doing something, you know what you're doing you're probably sitting down, you're probably standing up you probably you probably aren't like energized. You're probably lethargic which I'm sure. Now if you did ten ten or twenty quick pushups, just get your blood flow in or got up and walked around the you're building your house. Exactly now think about how that little shift could force you to believe that something else is going to happen and that. It's an easier process in in in Dude I go through that almost daily when I don't feel like a workout, right? Yeah. But I get out there in the compound and I move for five or ten minutes just like some basic you know warm up movements and Start to break a sweat and now now I feel like I'm ready for. Now I'm want to work out Now I feel energized just the act of moving It's all about making the decision to take that first step and for a lot of people they just we were talking about that earlier as well you either an action taker or you're not you talk a big game or you actually. Do. You know take the leap and actually perform and take action, and so that's where being decisive and and being an action taker in life in anything that you do. You'RE GONNA stand out because most people aren't doing that exactly most people won't stay committed to something for long term, they could do something for a week or two or three, and then Gosh thirty days feels like an eternity for anything you know back to normal, right? What's What's normal normal eating for pizza every night or eating a donut every morning for breakfast or like no I mean I. The whole key into forming these good habits. is to make it. Make a habit a good habit You know something that's fun or that is is is interesting. It's easy and the more things that we can introduce New Orleans that are good that are easy and quick to integrate than the more likely they're going to stay. Right. So these short, that's why I say do a short workout do a ten or fifteen or twenty minute wars it doesn't have to be six dollars, ninety minutes, and then guess what if you're just start with the mindset of? Do Ten or minutes what's going to happen you're probably going to do twenty or thirty four. Exactly. It's just the to sell yourself mentally like you said that mental shift and then get into that good habit, and then that good habit builds some momentum in your life. Our team would like to thank you so much for listening to the strong by design podcast. And if you're enjoying today show, please share this episode with at least one friend or family member who will benefit from this message. And please subscribe so you don't miss any future episodes. Go. To strong by design podcast. Dot Com that's strong by design PODCAST DOT COM. Let's get back to the show. I don't want to take you off and I I really what I want to get an inside your head. Yeah. Is like you got showtime coming right so you got a show coming let's say in like twelve weeks or whatever it is twenty weeks. Can you take us through the process maybe just hitting on like what three months looks like two months one month out from a show and what that feels like mentally and and what it looks like physically just just take us into that crash so. In the beginning you. So I'm gonNA cover something on bodybuilding that isn't talked about as much in that is image issues and just. We see ourselves so lean so that when we put on a little fat, it messes with our brain like it really really does and like we think we're like severely obese and then i. know several bodybuilders that even have had a problem with binge eating disorders and. Me Personally I've gone through like some severe binge eating battles where I I literally would be eating in I. Would it be hungry? I couldn't stop eating I literally couldn't stop and the only thing that made me stop eating was I fall asleep I literally would just fall asleep in. It's just thaw. Sugars, addicting and It's it's the devil and with. With. Preparing Thelma reminds me Adam sandlers mom in waterboy she's. Everything that was bad was. Sorry. No No. Not at all. It's good to have that. It is keep going. Yeah, So at the beginning of a prep so for example, I'll take you through. Let's go through last year's prep. So I started last year's prep in. Abe No, it was in February. I started at the middle of the about Middle February. Now I have a college e that I need to do a pre prep prior to prep. Now, what a pre prep is is. The this could even be somewhat beneficial for you but I i. don't weigh my food I don't track everything but eat everything that I eat on prep and I just focused on eating four or five meals. So all you two eggs in the morning have oatmeal In in just eating in. In in portion sizes like one piece of chicken one cup of rice, a handful of all men. So just eating that a gets you feeling good again because if you try to right into tracking eating healthy in the day before you had a half gallon ice cream, the likeliness of you succeeding is slim too much of a dramatic. Yeah. You can't go from like green two blue in the snap of the Finger Ryan So that helps me a lot. Usually I'll do that for three to four days and what that does. Is it lowers my sugar in like my sugar throughout my body because my sugar. So high from eating all processed foods, preservatives and packaged items, and then once you stop eating those, your body still craves them like the first. First Second Third Fourth Day of like thirty two thirty grams of sugar. Say You. You really crave it. You really really crave it and you're gonNA tell yourself high needed I needed I, need it in you really don't. It's your brain is trying to trick you. That's all it's really trying to do and it. It's just once you once you comfortable. When you can remind yourself that comfort kills. That's when you still go along with your goal and remind yourself that anything great that you want to accomplish. You're not going to get there from being comfortable. That's right. Ever ever in. I remember when I first started prepping my food. This is hilarious. My Dad used to grow much when I first started prepping because I didn't know how to grow chicken. I was nineteen years old so like I'm getting ready for his show all the cook and. Chick railing grilling I would pan fry my Turkey and then baked potatoes and thank God I have a rice cooker rice cookers. My Wife's Cook. So much rice and rice cooker she pretty much destroyed Oh. I. Think we had to buy another one she. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. You. Know it gets a year. Yeah. So Just preparing on a day-to-day basis and How I like to break things down even for me and for my clients is picking to protein sources that are always prepared. And Two carbs sources that are always prepared. So that way when you have those on hand, personally what I do is I'll bring larger quantities and even backup meal or backup Miller too. So that way if I want to change my pant plans a little bit I, don't need to change my lifestyle. I, don't need to go back home and go get my food I. Have my food in my bag if I want to go to the beach like I'm about to do after this I go do so because an food on me. So, it's a lot about preparation. If you fail to prepare you, you'll prepare to fail basically like you're you're not going to succeed anything in life if you can't prepare so that so that that three months four months out from a show, it's all about kind of getting the nutrition and the food where it needs to be at your shifting. Into those good habits yes. Okay. It's all about having the habit shift because. I've. Probably Twenty thirty forty times where like I said, I've tried to. Eat Garbage the day before and then come back into it and you just feel horrendous and. Your body's lying to you. It's not telling you the like you you. You don't feel as bad as you actually are, but it's from the sugar literally from the sugar because it's so bad for your body. People really don't realize how toxic sugar genuinely is four thereby mostly Mitchell's referring to. The sugars that are in our foods, artificially processed foods of all kinds of hidden sugars eating realize Marin stuff. He's not really talking about having a handful of raspberries or a banana. He's not talking about fructose so much. He's talking about all those other sugar sources sources that aren't aren't really good. There are man made Let's face it right and that's what we like really get addicted to and really crave and really miss when we're starting to cut those out Yup. Right? Okay. So so what are your was your training look like at this point so when you walk into the gym? Yeah, like. Are you at three months out from a show so my training is always geared towards. Not Fix of working on my weak points I guess I'll come. So balancing my my physique out and really focusing on that and So for example, let's say it's it's Monday probably start out with like chest and triceps. So let's say I do just and triceps the next day will probably do legs or I'll do back in biceps oh, I know a lot of people that are extremely rigid with their training schedule and if you're looking to get stronger than so be it NAF you're looking to get bigger usually that's based upon nutrition and a couple other factors because your body's expanding more more so from eating not as much from from training So training. I. Usually train like an hour and a half to two hours and then I'll I'll do a separate cardio session because a lot of people tend to do their cardio post workout and when I do that I I literally feel nine too much at one. Feel like it really is I. Most people I've seen will break that. They'll do like an am PM type thing. It's a lot better too but I mean. It's almost like a part time job. It's literally like a part time job because I mean you're cooking you're eating your. Training your cardio you're posing. Towards the. Say the last few weeks the show. It's a it's literally like twenty hours a week like it's it's crazy but I mean think about it I'm spending two to four hours a day just on eating. Cardio in training. And like eating's time consuming like it takes like thirty minutes or so to to to make a meal and and So that's how I kind of started and then after the pre prep once I'm like, okay, this this isn't hard I I'm not having the crate you know it's working when you're not having as crazy cravings because your sugars just lowering. So once my sugars lower than I'll start to add more structure and It's kind of like progression you're adding more structure and consistently. You're either adding things in. Cutting them out whether like what your body's doing because. Excuse me some people. They. They react differently to different foods right so for me. I A few years ago I found that eating chicken literally started to make me gag like I started eat chicken so much that it made me gag. And I'm like, how can I, solve this? What do I need to do to to solve my problem? Shredded chicken it was because of how I was eating like the chewing us in like just the texture in that was the factor wasn't the taste of the chicken itself. So once I started to shred my chicken whether it's like with four knife whatever and that makes a world of a difference interesting. Yes. The texture is is a is a big thing time. So just in in how the food itself is being prepared versus the food. That you're eating exactly exactly and all you're eating it because I find that even digestion digestion wise I don't digest chicken as well when it's not shredded like I can just feels like it just sits there like it's it's kind of uncomfortable and stuff and and I mean it could be because I've been doing that for so long I'm also figuring out that. My. Your body adapts it always, it's always an adaptation. So I eat healthy for so long that sometimes when I eat healthy my body just like repels it like body just five heard that before. Yes. Basically your body just tries to flush it right it. That's what has us like Oh, I just ate something I'm not supposed to. Excuse me for a moment. Yeah. I. Have to use the restroom. Yes, it's. Your body like doesn't seizes like a toxin it is and it goes to show that it really is a toxin how bad things are for you in your gut is very Very connected obviously to every everything in the body right to how you think how your brain functions everything works, how you feel your energy levels Yup and when your gut is used to very clean like or organic food sourcing, and then you throw it a bunch of crap. Let's just say then it it it does what it wants to do. It wants it wants to come out fast. It's like, no what are you? What are you doing this in me? Thank you so much for listening to the strong by design podcast. This episode is brought to you by unlock my gluts dot com. Find out why everything you know about training your body's largest muscle for greater shape firmness strength and long term health is wrong. Visit Unlock my glued. Dot Com for the number one exercise to develop around her stronger but. That's unlock my gluts dot com. At what point do you really feel like you've hit your stride once you're like fully full mode in like your past The initial like getting into the nutrition your past the initial getting into your workouts like you are in your six eight weeks outling is that when you feel like you've really hit your your your show prep stride or do you feel like a like thirty days out? Do you feel like this extra wave of like motivation or when does that hit you because I'm sure everyone feels that at some point like I'm getting close like I'm just just it's it's inevitable. Now you know what I mean I just feel this extra flood of of of Passion and Energy and desire to win yeah, and in Damn bishen overall. To go get what you want and Yeah I'd say. I think it needs to happen sooner. A little late to be honest. Okay. You have that that mindset shift that's like you need to do that for four to five days, and once you accept that everything else is temporary satisfaction right that you that discipline is power in that you are in control everything that you eat like right? It's it's just food. It's just food. We've made it an idol literally people obsess over food and it's ridiculous and the point that I make is that I heard this from a former coach of mine was the food that you are sacrificing can always be replicated it always can be I'm sorry grandma's cookies like they're phenomenal but I've got a goal to accomplish right and. You're going to tell me eating a couple of your grandma's cookies is more important than reaching a goal that would probably push you for the rest of your life because that's kind of how bodybuilding changed me as a person as it really made me realize the harder I work in any area the more success I'll obtain and that's kind of how it happened even with personal development or the more I started reading the more sorted, meditating the more started giving myself self love the more I was able to feel good about myself in in just give love to others in when you can love yourself fully unconditionally, you're able to do the same for others in It's No, there's no no doubt that the better take care of yourself. The better fit you are take care of other of course, I mean that's proven and that's in all kinds of great literature out there So you hit that that that wave of like I'm all in this. Is it this? That's like eight, ten, twelve weeks out. You'll feel that even sooner even sooner I, like I mean I would. So in two thousand, seventeen, I did a twenty week prop now one, eight, five, I got down to one sixty. So that's a lot of weight now. It's kind of it's kind of like progression some days you're going to have good days where you you feel like you look great in the better you think you look the better you will feel and With your got like you said, it can control your your subliminal is in control how you're feeling it can control everything and It's I'm I'm thinking of my mindset like eight to eighteen to excel just You have to remember you're Y you have to remember you're Y, and when you remind yourself of that every single day, you know why you're doing it right in the only time you want to give up and you want to give in is when you forget your wife. And that goes for anything. You're absolutely right. It's if you're why is in you have to really dig deep sometimes to find out what your why is some people have these wise and it's like, no. Let's go deeper because that's not that's not the the baseline is the foundation and then you keep digging until you finally get to it and that Scott it's a whole nother podcast. So okay. So let's Fast Forward Lot Jeff. Let's fast forward to like just a week or two out. Okay. Okay. So you've done all this work like you're dialed in every area, your nutrition, your sleep your workouts. Everything is like you know you're just overcoming obstacles things that get your way. Right? There's always something some barrier that like comes over relationship thing a job like all. These, and you just find a way to get around it to navigate past because you have to do it your that locked in. So you're only a week or two out now were you at mentally? Are you logging think about it's all you can think about your so focused. So moment every single moment every single moment I mean, there's not a moment in my head that. When you're wanted two weeks out, you are tired you will take naps but you look awesome I looked so cool because it's like you're basically. I mean a lot of us kids played with action figures when we were young, we looked at the action figures and like we all WanNa look like that when we get older like to make that happen like that was that was always what I wanted. I'm going to date myself right might not even remember the humor he-man. Do Human Yo of. Human was really big in the eighties and it was like those are the guys that I wanted to play with he-man and Skela tour and all the the characters from that was a cartoon series that they did movies and stuff with Dolph Lundgren was he man believe it or not? And So that was I that I loved the muscles I loved. How shredded those guys were you know what I mean and they were unlike kind of anything else any other toy at the time I was playing with Gi. Joes weren't like that buff you know and so that it is cool. It's like so you're you're seeing in the mirror. This. Superhero Physique literally and you and that is like that even gets you that much more like yes. Like that much more motivated who absolutely every little thing you do. Walking from your bedroom to your kitchen it's like that that becomes a factor, right? Looking to win some free critical bench swag. Here's how subscribe to the strong design podcast on itunes and then visit us on Instagram at the critical bench to let us know your subscriber be sure to ems to get your free gifts. Everything you put in your mouth every little bit of cardio that you do every wait you pick up like every minute of sleep you get everything either takes you closer or or for further away. From the stage. So what's that last day look like that that day the like with your within twenty four hours a getting on stage what are you feeling? What are you thinking like Whoa? What's going on? So the last twenty four hours I'm usually in somewhat of a clear state of mind I'm doing a lot of posing I'm just focusing on eating. So you've been posing a lot now to leave. Your your routine. If you've spent, you've gone through your team. How many times a day of you've been doing? I was doing like almost half hour to an hour a day of posing, pose posing just posing like literally just having fun with it and so during it's in your subconscious it your eyes closed and that's the point you have to get to you. Okay. That is a perfect point excellent point by the way if you are not at the point of you. CanNot. Pose with your eyes closed you are not ready and you need to practice more because that's what you're doing. That's literally what it is on stage is you are posing with your eyes closed you can't see yourself right and how do you expect to look amazing how you perceive yourself to be in the Mir without any practice not in front of the Mirror. So. It's funny I'm thinking of like the last twenty, four hours of when I was competing in Chicago. So I did cardio the night before and I had a filet Mignon steak with like I carved up a little bit. So depending on the person depending on where you're at and depending on what look you're going for some people. They want to be more depleted because they held a bunch of size now for me usually when I'm getting one, sixty, five like obviously I gotta hold onto dear life that's what's taking place and I look small without a pump literally like I, feel like it looks small without a pump in you have to accept you have to be an acceptance of where your body is each and every point of the day because there's going to be points where you're like like after a meal I, eat and I'm like I blew I blew back I feel full I feel full. I. Look for I. Look Great. So I would go pose after eight now after the gym or Between a meal, maybe three hours after a meal I'm flat as a board in it's a part of the process though so you have to realize like I'm going to be flat sometimes I'm going to be tired sometimes it's part of the process from getting to three to five percent body fat would you expect and? It's just it's a part of the process you have to to want that and Just, what else do that day before just relaxed and did a little meditation? Were you able to sleep? Yeah. Yeah. I was able to sleep in the past past shows I have had a hard time sleeping. Trying to think oh yeah, remember so. The morning of like the show the prejudging starts at like nine or ten am okay. So Before nine or ten am I'm usually getting like three meals like three whole meals like so I'll get up at three hundred feel and look as full as possible. Exactly. Don't fill out before getting on stage so. The. First meal I had was I, still have all the documentation but I think I had like five ounces chicken five ounces of sweet potato, and then went back to sleep. That was at three o'clock, and then at three m three like I'm setting an alarm to get up eat and go back to sleep. Wow. So and then at six am I'm eating another meal I was having I think I had a little bit a Turkey. `tatoes just. Basic 'cause sometimes with nuts the day before a show, it'll kind of up a little bit and you don't really want that. That's why like eating almond butter with Rice cakes. That's what a lot of people have backstage. That's a lot of people have is the pump up so and then After six I had my next meal at like eight. And Yeah you you don't drink much water the the day off the day of the day before I had a half gallon. Now, What's interesting is my coach at the time it my first show, he told me to only drink eight. Of Water the day before and obviously eight ounces of water is like. I was dying dying but. That's. It's some old bodybuilding mythology that finch Toronto had a whole bunch of like no water when training a whole bunch of weird stuff. Yeah. Now, shading here, all he Dude, there's benched we have so much venture on the content of their youtube and in in in reports and a program that we authored years ago and he's very controversial but he was really big him with his nutrition stuff. Oh my Gosh I'm sure there's somebody listening. That's Vince. TORONTO. Fan. Knows exactly what? I'm talking about he's he's called the Iron Guru Honey, oh? Yes. People in Hollywood used to see. Kim. How back in the back in the day sixty seventies eighties because of his his methodology is as bizarre as it was in some cases it got results but it was some weird stuff like that like don't drink water or only have eight. It's like what what I thought waters like the key to everything you know but I guess if you WanNa. Have that tighter. That tighter look right. You want to have as much water out of your system right as possible but then you can be on the borderline of losing your fullness. Yeah. Because you're too dehydrated. Right. So that's another thing that I I learned is that so in twenty? Giving examples because it tells the story behind it but in two thousand, sixteen junior nationals in prior to junior nationals is spoke to someone that was like you'll mitch like you gotta get Walian or like you got cut up you gotta go zero carbs. You GotTa Deplete Yourself. You. GotTa Deplete. So I did and it was the stupidest thing I ever did but that's for my physique. So like everyone's physique is different for Vince, like you were saying it Coulda worked for him for some of his clients right and I find personally if if I'm prep and I'm only drinking a gallon of water, my metabolism isn't fast enough like it doesn't start rubbing fast enough because as you know, sh water will speed up your as well. So deepen prep, I'm drinking to two and a half gallons of water meeting twenty, four, hundred calories a day and Just, just enjoying the process not over complicating the I think. What I've learned with this stuff is just make it simple and things workout. So much better. You don't creech dress backstage before you get out on the stage what are you eating? Because I'm sure you got something. Yeah and what are you doing to pump up? Let's go to movements and and what are you putting in your system right before you get on stage putting in my system lightly salted rice cakes with almond butter and Jelly. So I usually have two or three of those and then Pumping up backstage. So how I do it as I pump everything up when we have like ten minutes, left I, bring my own dumbbells. So not not everyone does that and stuff and I'll just get a little full body pump and then right before I go on, I make sure to target the areas that I know were a little bit smaller than others. So for example, my arms tend to stay full so like I really don't need to hit my arms before I get right up on stage now. Doesn't happen all the time but. In. Twenty seventeen, my chest got really really flat. So prior to getting onstage though is the last thing I was doing I was doing some underhand dumbbell flies. That's like one of my go-to chest movements. So that's one there, and then I'll do like some dumbo rows I'll take the the little kid 'cause most people have these little cables back they're talking about the fans and We do some funny stuff tied around polls right around walls and industry. What we can do to get on Roy Variation to get a five irrigation, heck DEX and and To to just. Get get a full pump in and to see where you're at and it's really crazy how how much the body can transform simply from a pump because I know even for me I'll look at myself though I'll be like I'll be like is like how do I look like that? Now when I just saw myself an hour ago and I looked like like crap in an it's but that's competing for you. You're. You're not supposed to look excellent all the time right hand expect to be full. You can't expect to be huge all the time or you're not going to cut down and get get condition. So when you're in acceptance of all stages and you realize that when I'm on stage, that's where need to look my best right and that's where the experience comes becomes into it because the more shows you. Have behind you the more you know about what that those final weeks days hours look like, what did you last time? What was the result? What can I? Let me let me try doing it like this and see what happens ooh. I like that turned out better. I'll do that again and then you keep adding on. So you get all these little successes and you see like all these different. Things that you variables that you tweaked and you got better results or worse results from say no next time. The more shows you do right the better off you you are and so you do have Have it in your In in in the I guess we'll say in the windshield like. The, not too distant future to do another show here because it's been some time, it has been some time in this year's been a little bit of a wonky year understandably but you do have a show in in in your sights is in the fall. Yeah. So I'm thinking sometime in the next nine to ten weeks or so on this releases, this show will probably release I. Don't know how many weeks from now. But when it goes finally goes live, right it'll be before the show but you're pretty confident that this show like you're like signed up I mean. You're like you're in yeah. Yeah, I'm in Ardy is so I purchased my pro card, this year basically, we have to purchase it every year that we desire to compete. I actually never purchased it before like I because I got in two thousand seventeen, I was contemplating about doing a show then and it was like, no I wanNA take some time off the two, thousand, eighteen hours like I'm gonNA bulk all year. I haven't done this in a few years. It was a decision who was a good decision football size on which I did and then twenty nineteen. I decided to do some traveling. So I went to Europe for thirty five days, and after coming to Europe, it honestly masks my body up like I felt really negative repercussions as a bodybuilder going there because. I was malnourished I was. Carrying bags all the time. So my hips were so often stuff and I just felt. I FELT I never lost that much muscle ever ever my whole life, but I mean, we're also walking around cities of sure you're working ten twelve fifteen miles of time around Rome Paris, England Barcelona Amsterdam. So so great trip but not ideal for. Bodybuilding on at all especially when you're trying to like we were staying at hostile sometimes instead now cooking inside the hostel. So I'm like to bring food with me, and then it got to the point where I'm just like screw it. I'm GONNA eat whatever and. And It's it's it's difficult while traveling. Thank you so much for listening to the strong by design podcast to help our show reach more listeners just like you please. Let us know how we've changed your. Life. By leaving a five star rating and review on I tunes. Go to strong design podcasts. Dot Com. That's strong by design podcasts. Dot Com. Let's get back to the show. But that that's good to know though I'm glad that you have it in your sights to do it again, this this year and we look forward to that, and that is down here local area. There the Tampa pros in seven weeks from today one that's like seventy S. so like I mean, I can push and push and push aw I want but it's I'M NOT GONNA rush my pro debut like this is a very special show like it's my first pro show and. Even. Last year like I was getting ready for a show in August and I was like four weeks out and I wasn't ready. I knew for a fact like I I can tell the difference like I. No one will be ready in if I'm not going to be ready like I'm going to be real with myself in And that that's where I was with that and now So this one the one that you have in your sights is when there's a couple lined up in the next eight to ten weeks Mr Olympia moved to December. So that was still confirmed on it's usually in September. I. Was to say it's while they pushed it out days just because of all the. Compete so we like I don't. They have to change the point system or something this year I assume. So I'm not sure what's going to take place with that I I guess we'll see and Other than that. Yeah I mean. To go in depth with a little bit more backstage is everyone's just focused. They're just in the zone for me. I like to listen to a lot of EDM electronic music because it just makes me, WANNA get up and dance right and That's kind of what I listened to when I train as well so that that's a little bit. Do you personally do you like do you have any more questions that you were curious on art that good i WanNa really give people just the mindset behind all of these different areas the nutrition the workouts, the handling stress all those. The PD's all these different things and people probably WanNa know about when it comes to be a competitive bodybuilder. And and also what it feels like leading up to a competition but I mean that's really wanted. I wanted a hammer on with you having you here in the building today but was there a final word or or note that you wanted to say our listener? Yes. So I WANNA. I WanNa talk about post show actually. So with post show, I think that's a very under like it's not looked at as important like post show preparation people who don't have a plan Poe show they usually blow up in gained twenty to thirty pounds because what happens is all of our friends and family they buy us all the desserts like, Oh, you work so hard you sacrifice so much all these weeks and you deserve it and you deserve to eat anything you want will psychologically that was messing me the hell up because I'm hearing from one one person like all go. Enjoy yourself go have a good time good time. Meanwhile, I'm eating by myself at night like being in in in in no one really knew and You have to have a plan post show or even even post a postcard or post bulk you have to keep thinking in advance in specifically for show. If if you don't reverse diet, you will gain weight fast I can guarantee that I've done it. I've put on twenty five pounds in three days before I was insane but I didn't reverse diet at all you have to when your body is at a deficit for so long. One of the most important things is to slowly increase your food. Yes. Can you have a few cookies and some ice cream? Absolutely that's not going to really hurt you. Now if you eat a whole box of cookies or you're GONNA gain ten pounds probably probably because your metabolism is so slow at that point. So what happens is when you get super super lean like three to four percent like I was at you your metabolism slows down your metabolism slows down obviously, you can put on fat way faster. So when you're eating these crappy food sources you. Literally. Just put on fat like Super Super Fast and and because the bodies body's survival machine. Exactly. So it sees all these extra calories flooding in and it's like, Hey, I was just living in starvation mode as far as your your body's brains concern. Yes I'm going to store all this crap because I don't know if that might happen again. Exactly. Exactly. So you can really get yourself into a into a kind of a a bit of a situation. Yeah quickly. Yes. After a show if you just let yourself like all the you know the brakes off. Even going out to eat like he doesn't a row honestly because I remember for me. Like. Girlfriends at the time and stuff they just by you so much stuff in and then. This is horrible but. The. Fast. You eat it the faster it's gone, and then you don't got to see it anymore and like it it's gone and out of your sight outta sight Outta, mind might work for one meal. Though, right you can get away probably would like let's just say I'm sure after a show. There's a Lotta guys out there or girls who go out for that one meal and they probably will make themselves sick right if they overdo it right but your body won't be able to process. What that one meal it's just going to go through your system kind of like we were talking about four your body just kind of rejected. You know it's only gonNA absorb so much right. So you could probably get away with that one meal and kind of not completely discount that because that's not going to really exactly the trouble is if you have that type of meal for the next three to five days now, all of a sudden you could be in a real situation that could take you weeks to undo exactly again, all your hard work at you just read and then in that's what happened with A friend of mine. So she she did a show and I didn't really help her with the PLO show preparation but I mean it was my own my third show. So even my psychology wasn't the same as it is. Now it doesn't and developed like it is and. I didn't really re I didn't realize the importance of like having a reverse diet plan you need to reverse out of it and just slowly even if you eat. So let's say showed a or usually twenty, four hundred. Let's say you increase it to twenty seven hundred. Let's see you increase it to three thousand you'll be okay doing that but. We went from eating she was eating two thousand dollars eaten five hundred and four to five days I probably like ten thousand calories every single they're. Not. I'm not even exaggerating it was it was insane. I got constant desserts though and they were all mine and it's yeah. That's why buying all delicious treats after a show and I don't do that anymore. Yeah, I. Don't do that. Kind of a nice normal meal. Having screen have a stake have to have some vegetables and then have a have a dessert that goes with exactly and then do that a few more times right. Get it out of your system and then it's much easier to maybe just start to kind of re have a reset at that point but don't let yourself fall completely off. And then in a week, just completely crush what you just did for twenty weeks. Yeah. Yeah and it makes sense. Yeah and the other problem that some experience is When you think about the faster you eat at the faster it's gone. You're also thinking about like self sabotage and you're thinking like like I was talking about deserving it and then other people saying, Oh, you work so hard for this here. Here's a whole cake for you like I made this whole cake just for you and. It's almost like a double standard where you're you're so confused because people are telling you one thing and then you know what you should be doing in the other and then you almost feel like you're letting yourself down because you're telling yourself do one thing and then you have these constant distractions around all the time in that's something that'll lower your self confidence really really fast just by not caring about Your your initial goal. Right well, we can't conform to everyone else else's desires for us. You know most people in our lives in in all in goes beat well beyond the world of bodybuilding most people are much more comfortable hanging out with people like them. So if you're the guy that's meticulous with your eating habits and your training habits in your sleep habits and your and you like to be social, but you don't necessarily like to drink with them and all that they want you to drink with them. Yes. What do people do who hang around smokers they ended up smoking. You know everybody's like has some level of conformity. Yeah and then if you're in a crowd and you're not the one conforming year weird regardless of what it is, you're doing what you're doing might be weird. It's just that you're not doing what they're doing. Exactly. Right. So that can be definitely like very hard I think for people that they are so dedicated and disciplined in so many areas of their life when the when they're in that prep mode. So I ain't man, I really appreciate you sitting down and having a candid conversation all over the map. Like all the different elements in parts to this world of bodybuilding but that's good. It's it's fun insight for those You know really interested in who want to get involved in it or wh- just want to know more about it. Yeah. What are some of those places again that people can find you some your social platform? Yeah, definitely. So my instagram is Mitchell IFP. Pro with two else on my facebook is Mitchell Spadafore i. Blanking on so you got instagram she. is also Mitchell spadafore and then Yeah. That's. Pushes Mitchell Spatafora. Why you got the two thousand nine hundred switch twitter twitter. What's not twitch? With her? No not twitter. Tick Tock Tick Tock there you go eat and I can feel like. You're losing you're losing the literally the brain. The brain isn't firing on all cylinders right now, I can feel the mental. Is By. Somebody gets this Guy Hamburger. And then we hear the the stereotypical hamburger, of course. Hey, I'm a I'm a hamburger guy. I can't myself. I had some over the weekend. Burgers all right. Well, thank you so much for joining us on strong BYDESIGN podcast. We really enjoyed You know this conversation as you can tell, and we hope you enjoyed it too. Please go ahead and give us a five star rating and review, which is super helpful to us and to our show being more visible on itunes or wherever people consume their podcast because hearing from you and and getting those comments and reviews just moves us up in the rankings and we just so greatly appreciate that. So enjoy the rest of your week and your weekend, and this is coach Chris with the strong bydesign podcast. Thanks Mitchell. Thank you, Chris. We'll talk. Soon. Thank you so much for listening to the strong BYDESIGN podcast. If you found value in today's episode, please subscribe so that more people can find out about our show. 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EP. 362 - Type 1 Diabetic IFBB Pro Jason Poston

Mark Bell's Power Project

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EP. 362 - Type 1 Diabetic IFBB Pro Jason Poston

"Power Project grew welcomed. Today's show today's April seventh. However this episode was recorded on March. Twenty ninth and. I just want to preface that because as you guys know it seems like news is coming out every hour or so and you know with some of the episodes that we've expedited put in front of some of these episodes that we recorded previously some of information. Some of the verb is the things that we said You know they probably have changed so I just wanted to preface that and let you guys know that this is a little bit older however it is an amazing show. We had an awesome conversation with our boy. Jason Posting Jason posted is an IFP be pro on top of that. He is the first type one diabetic to ever walk the stage at the Olympia again really awesome conversation. This is a very unique podcast. That would only happen. Because of the the self quarantine and the social distancing because We actually recorded all the way through seven pm so this officially makes it. Are the latest podcast ever recorded Jason actually gave us a tour of his home gym again. Something that would never have happened if we were doing this in the studio so again. That was really really cool. One of the good things I could come out of the. You know the lockdown whatnot. But anyways Jason's awesome. He told us that a low carb slash Kito Diet is just. What makes him feel better? So when you think of bodybuilders you think high carb he was on stage with Intaking anywhere from zero to fifty grams of carbs per day. Which is insane when you think about that right. Bodybuilders usually hire car Not Jason So. We got into a lot of bodybuilding A lot of what motivated him to even try to get on stage and turns out. It was actually getting type. One diabetes is what kind of fuel his fired actually get up on stage and of course we talked about the corona virus and the lockdown. And how that is actually affecting Jason and his businesses so all around a great conversation it was really cool hearing Jason. Talk about a low carb Diet and one of the best ways to Dip your toes into a low carb diet or even a ketogenic diet is of course the perfect Kito. Perfect HITO has a ton of products that are going to help you on a low car or kilos diet My absolute favorite right now is the salted caramel. Mcat all powder. I make my coffee every single morning. It helps me on my fast and really it just makes. My coffee tastes amazing Although I can do black coffee obviously gonNA prefer having some though the flavor and that's what the MC Joel Potter does. But it does so much more than that. It gives me extra fuel Like I said it suppresses. My hunger their new chocolate chip. Cookies are insane. I don't I don't understand. Do not understand how something like that can be low. Sugar Low glycemic It doesn't mess up your insulin levels. It doesn't make any sense to me. However what does make sense is how delicious. It is really. I mean. They got P. Strips they have the electrolyte tablets that we talk about They got collagen protein They got regular way protein. Everything you need to be on a ketogenic or low carb diet and to do it right if you guys are interested. Please head over to perfect. Kito Dot com slash power twenty-five at checkout enter Promo Code Power Project for twenty five dollars off any order of ninety nine dollars more and on top of that. You're going to receive free shipping. Thank you everybody for checking out. Today's episode guys like Jason. Saying please find his social media links down in the youtube description or the show notes. Hit them up and let you think and ladies and gentlemen please enjoy the show. Are you gonNA shake into drinking again? It dribbled out a little bit. Yeah they were happy all the time. Yeah what's going on guys much much? How about yourself just got back from the data got good workout over here. Did a bunch of a bunch lunges Nice. That felt really good at it. About twenty minutes of lunges a little bit I went that way on the turf and then walk back. A little shadow boxing in between heaped heart rate up and did some backwards lunges and then like halfway through. I made a deal with myself that if any time that I like miscalculated in kind of stumbled a head start over. That's kind of making football practice like if I messed up. The whole team had to do it. That's frustrating isn't it wasn't good. I had to restart a good way to torture yourself. All your other teammates are all mad at you because you had to do extra work. You're the one guy slow and everybody else down. What can you tell us about Jason? Just somebody had been following for a long time. He's a pro jacked and he's been following a lot of my stuff but he wasn't aware of this podcast until I told him and then he was like. How did I miss this? And he was watching the Eddie Hall one today and he was pumped up about excited about it. But basically I made a comment on I g you know. I'm just sending out some of these like tweets and INSTAGRAM POSTS. Trying to get people to think and What's what's happening. I saw Dr Paul Salvino. Make a comment about this as well. And he said anyone with different thinking as being like like people are really flipping out and we kinda rightfully so. I mean we're dangerous time so no one knows what's best but I still think it's a good time to still think and it's a good time to consider you know what are some other possibilities so I just said. Hey you guys. Kind of the quarantine is useful and its effectiveness. It's helping us get where we wanna go or do you feel that it's Making things worse Or the same and he just wrote worse so I was like. Hey let's talk him. Let's see what he's got to say about this topic not that. He's an expert in the topic. But I don't think anybody really is because what I'm noticing. Is You know some people are saying. Hey quarantines great like this is the way to go slows everything down and there's other people saying actually that's not true because we don't know much of anything unless you get tested then there's other people saying that it's not even just about getting tested. There's two different types of testing would have to get one is to see if you ever developed an immunity to this because if you did then you're kind of free to go you can go about your business and you're not going to get anybody else sick and You can't get sick anymore. And you may have built up immunity for life. They don't really know. But these proteins should be built up in your system for a long time and then there's the other thing to test for which is just being sick and if you're sick obviously need to be isolated. But we don't know who's sick and who's not sick However it does make sense to put everything on pause for a while because maybe we can all just be sick at home. Yeah get other people sick right. Yeah and it's tough to because we have someone like you know Gabrielle. Lyon like she'll she'll check in with US regular and be like so how your parents do and I'm just like they still don't WanNA listen and she'll make a huge thing about it like they need to stay home. They need to stay home. But then you know yeah it is kind of like well shit like is. GonNa help if I stay home to like or is going to hurt more because you know like with my job or something like me as in like the average person not me like actually me right now. Yes tough thing to make sense because It it seems like sitting back doing nothing. Never never really make sense right. Yeah Oh yes you get a chance to train today yeah I woke up not filling fantastic. I Dunno my head's been bugging me all day long Maybe the quarantines finally getting to me but I had every intention on going into super training and I just woke up feeling like shit so I'm like look over my fiancee. She you know she does a lot of homework. Workouts definitely only. Hey do you got something that you can like program for me. For the day and sure enough she threw on a chest and tricep workout and mandate crushed me. All surprise I thought for Cheryl they add this bullshit and I I went. I gave it my on manny. Kick my butt. It was awesome. So Yeah I. I got some some pickles and some tricep tickles. I felt good. Nice yeah there is coming in coming in hot doesn't look that built Ray. They're all areas. Hopefully he's got the skinny filter on. Is there a skinny filter? I there should be chicks time. How about a fat Phil? Hey US I'll be right back. Take time it's no. It's a diabetic thing on low. Right now I'm just GonNa go get candy right back amazing. That's interesting yeah. I did screw up today though because I was I wasn't super pumped to just work out at home so I took a pretty aggressive pre workout and I still haven't recovered from it. It was shaky out. Do it even just like locking out like chest. Press my whole body's trembling and I'm like This isn't normal ray. Like this isn't supposed to happen but Yeah I'm I'm definitely going to do anything like that on the empty stomach again. Still Facet right now. Did you know I ate sooner? Workout was done. There's a banana all right. Yeah don't want this video but still like this. That doesn't that doesn't help it. Noble gotTa make sure that make sure is closed. Definitely not doing that. So what's what's up with this Diabetes thing man. How do you manage that You know what I mean. Obviously hypoglycemia come in go randomly. When you're type one like you never know when it can hit you can monitor. It are normally have the decks com. It's an APP on my phone. Watch it. It's there's a sensor that put you know anyone in the body I put on my top died in that region will glucose every three minutes will through all this. I haven't been able to get in contact even though it is a necessity. I don't know if other type ones are dealing with this but I haven't been able to contact with the People who send me. It's a third party company. They could internship new sensors. They go on the legs so anyways. I'm doing old school for the last month on intestine breaking my finger so to slam to work out real quick and post workout go low in sugars so the Centers. They just like go through your body somehow. Check Your Blood Glucose. Well it actually. There's a wire that goes up the penis and I'm skin. No it's up. You do attach it yourself. Wash had have once. It's just on your skin though. It's not like inside your body or anything up to shove it up your ass or nothing. Thank God no even if it helped me live better a might be open to it. And that's how bad diabetes sucks. How long have you been diabetic man? I was twenty nine. It was late March so is auto immune disease in boom happened. Like I remember one weekend I was peeing all the time and I'll never forget because it was just so blatantly obvious. Obviously you don't know what it is whenever symptoms occur. Everyone's like googling stuff when they have health issues. This was before really goes around but his book for Had so much access to Info online so On this Mil- Talk Gay do it. Yeah this is a really super interesting because I know a lot of people that Have like blood sugar issues when their training and stuff and then some people are listening to this right now. They might be like. Oh Shit so it'd be interesting to find out High you can get tested to make sure that you're not one day. Just pass out in the gym man. The HYPO- people that just have hypoglycemia and They don't necessarily have high blood sugar. They always ask for help and help him a little bit. You know spars staying away from high sugar diets and causing certain crashes. But I'll be honest like I don't get it. I don't think a lot of doctors get it either. Like why does some people only go? Low Blood Sugar During workouts like they'll slam home it's like they overproduce insult And I don't know a die that helps that just stay away from sugar is definitely a really tricky thing because even myself being on a carnivore diet having been on the Diet for a while. My Resting Blood Glucose in the morning fasted is like ninety you know ninety nine and that would be considered fairly high for your average person and so i. It's an adaptation that happens to like lower carb diet. But you're right it's like how do you make your car? How do you make your blood glucose like super stable and I guess he would? Do it almost through kind of old school bodybuilding measures where you would eat multiple times a day. Keep the meals kind of moderate and then you also have to watch out for like sugary carbs and probably stick more to start. I don't know how does it work for you. Are you able to eat like rice from Kato's and those kinds of things? Or what have you found? I've found that insulin wise. All carbs are equal. That's why I don't I kind of Now we'll just say this. I kind of gave up in. I don't believe in glycemic scale. I just don't some will say that. Okay so high glossy wood carvers their digest quicker. No that's not true. Some will say they hit your blood sugar quicker in that day. Hypoglycemic CARBS will You know go through the process in your turn into glycogen. The muscle can use quicker. None of that works for me. None of that has ever made any sense whatsoever. The fact that You know when I inject insulin okay and I'm gonNA eat a banana. Roughly yet to guess with right through can be different. And that's what's kind of crazy about fruits one banana of forty and then another banana could be twenty. You don't have to space on weight. I guess but also the age of banana. A banana has no no carbs. Hardly Yeah so. It's like that's why when. I competed in all the years. Olympia stay away from fruit. A delicacy to me because it was not stable for me so I just But what I was saying is almost the same amount unit of insulin for skittles as I will The same carbs potato one cup of rice. I just had that dinner you know. What is it fifty to fifty four grams of carbs? Some rain there okay. White Rice versus Fifty four grams of sugar in starbucks can alright. I does the same amount of insulin. I'm not saying that the after effects are the side effects of The dies and everything else that goes into Katie. Won't change something but I'm saying car is everyone's like what cards good carbs a bad. It really is on person to person basis like some people like different carbs than others. Some people upset their stomach. But it's I don't always believe it's a car. Everything is outside factors so I will be. I got into really flipping around carbs. Like if you can imagine yourself only allowed to have so many carbs to remain healthy and live long all right. He used to be one hundred fifty grams for me It's more now but we'll talk about that if you want later. But like one hundred fifty grams of carbs. All you're allowed today. What'S MARGIE? Well I know you're low car but like back in the day. What would have been your cards that you will now. One hundred and fifty run out pretty quick man. Yeah so I'm saying you're up Sarai. Yeah Yeah three cups of rice rice three cups of rice so then one day like dude. I'm so tired of frigging rice potatoes and so then you kind of start manipulating that hundred fifty will I got through. You know. I wasn't still he's wasn't you know Jay Cutler and all that but I did pretty well. I got to Olympia. I type one ever gets Olympia and my goal was just to live with a stinking disease but I got there by. Always kind of being flexible with cards. It will be fifty grams one day most days on my car baby on fifty so. I was always switching around carbs just to see what would work. What set while my stomach? What Car Powders allowed me to have the best workout and I was always just trying out different cards. It was like because you know I didn't get a lot. I felt like it was like it was a poor kid but with cards. You know Did you do you feel like you? maybe potentially gave yourself diabetes. What's the terminology for or is it just something that was living in unit was triggered by something? My in this is only my thought process but mine was that I think it's something that's causing. Grown men in grown women have delayed onset diabetes in all in the thought type one half will call Tattoo. I think it's from stuff. That's in medication. Back scenes plastics I was perfectly finals. A trainer I was completely natural. I was healthy ahead. Taken store supplements But nothing like no pro hormones. Nothing like that. I mean I was natural And so I asked the doctors like why would I pay Chris? Stop working are like well. It's a genetic okay that's bullshit. Yes so no-one my family's ever had diabetes. You know my grandmother's I two. And they both beat it at different parts of life. They got off the medication they went. Low Car with act gins back in the day. But I don't know what happened man But I get thousands and thousands of people that messes me all the time and you know there's a lot of people that are like either like twenty three twenty five. I even have. I've had like people in their forties. They're panthers up and stopped working like they'd know type through symptoms. They're not overweight. Fit also and boom the Beta cells. Are Painkillers start? Funk SOUTH FUNCTIONING IN INTEL. So the panthers isn't dead or anything it's just the. Beta cells in the pancreas not producing. Was the Olympia. Stage the goal before you got diabetes as well or did that something did something. Click once did Realize that you had that. I never had any goal to be. I liked bodybuilders respected. Men Watch all the videos. I knew I could never get that big Ameri. It was it. Was I opener. Because I was like twenty three and I've been smashing the weights and I was like was not getting over one. Seventy five eighty five. I was eating everything. Inside the whole supercar blowed. I don't know if you guys remember. Supplements backed in. There are so many false claims funny because people talk about false claims now all a young. No you should've been taking supplements in like ninety six in two thousand three. He lost up just like the falls glade. They got a better hold on it. It's still kinda crazy but like we'll get into a yeah so I would take all the any supplement said guaranteed five hundred percent muscle growth. You know I would take all that stuff and I was the kid spending like three hundred dollars a month. At least I was a trainer so but I never could get big so when this hit and I was like okay new obstacle already very strong dude anyway but as I got to figure out how to live with this so it was go left with cross fit and I wanna go pro and cross it or go right in because I had to compete. It's something I looking back. I probably should hit a powerless in because of is really strong for my size but It across fit out. It's funny I went to a gym. I was really good at cross state. I didn't like it necessarily but I had endurance. That's what my body was naturally made for was just long duration grueling pain and the dude turn me down. He was like man. We don't know how and I I had beat these guys. It's local navy seal competitions and they said to be honest man we we don't know if we can accelerate you we can enhance you to the pro level as its hypothetic. It's a risk man. We want you to our in our religion. That's what he said. Also I alright will. I'll show you. I'M GONNA go pro bodybuilding now so physique division came out. I was already a fitness model. Anyway Kinda like not hardcore. But I'd won some competitions and so I was that they wanted as he can adjust it. How did you diet switch up when he found out you had it? Because I'd assume like you said you were like eating a crazy amount of cards at the time like. Did you lowered a bit like? How did you experiment to get to where you are now and also is where you are and what you're doing right now something you'd suggest other individuals who have type one Yes absolutely so the main focus was I. Don't see a single face this disease man. I looked at I wanted inspiration so bad I wanted somebody that I can latch man. I used to latch on to the rock. I like CAL ripken alike Brett Farve I like Jay Cutler. I like Dexter Jackson I like to magnus the strong man I was like okay. But who's got what I got. Nobody could find anyone that was like opening in educating about it so I found a woman who inspired me and she was introducing me your names. Colette Nelson Colette. Was the first person. She's a female to ever go to the Olympia. As a type one was like all right. I gotta find his cheek so come find out. We've just became great. Friends just clicked a source of knowledge. Like no other in type. One Diabetes Road as an athlete not not Chronology doctors tell you this way they misdiagnoses first of all and then they gave all the wrong medication and I was so sick but I got my pro part by myself. I was like over three hundred blood. Sugar mark he said you're ninety nine all's over three hundred on stage when pro card. I was so like flat but my shape that I had built from all years. Jim just but dat was the person that I turn to. And she's the one that manipulated my medication like. Hey don't do what the doctor say go. This route involves different types of insulin. It's not as simple when when all of us go see the doctor they give the simple route you know. I don't know mark too well that I'm pretty sure he's a titan. Is He gonNA pound his doctors for like the. The you know was wearing looking for the The reason why things are happening rather than decide I give me a pill. I'll see you later. You know so I understood that I was GONNA have to be off. Pattern is my Indo caused. The patio my doctor now. Says I'M OFF PATTERN. But funny thing is they gave me everything. I want and actually consult me because they want. My doctor has to type one sons. So we'll we'll exchange information so I think original questions. How did it change in my bad? If I'm going off topic dude but diet wise I went from just relaxed. You could snack. You see something on a counter or at a party. They eat it. Snacking was gone so people don't understand that there's no more snacking you WanNa like inject insulin. Every time you snack or you want your blood sugar as up you can have a simple five. Ten Gram carb treat. And that's going to spike butchery with sure. You can do that but if you want to be. An elite athlete can't do that. So every meal was partitioned multiple meals. I went from like four meals a day. Maybe five would do like four five hundred grams of carbs in a day but that was I gave up on that carb load in my early twenties. Because I knew I wasn't gonNA gain mass just a card. It wasn't working naturally for me so I changed up. Kito and I went full on. You know I would test it. I think the first year I didn't even test thousand Ketosis my doctor my Indo You're you're in Ketosis. But I wasn't like it was just more like the focus was less far less insulin. More better for me so it was a ton of fats. I realized how many fats equity I'll just keep upping him. And so like I made my first Olympian the physique division place top five and. I'm the only dude. There is zero to fifty cards every day. sheet days hundreds of the earliest. I'd have a cheap day. That's when I'll do a hamburger fries. Try to wiggle anymore. Cards could hundred fifty was a Max most as resort fifty on fats. Thirty to forty grams of fat. Every meal all natural sources no like it affects your macro fats I would do very little saturated fats beef looking back. I probably should have But it was a lot of fish salmon avocado coconut oil on butter. Almonds on slack. Soil All different types of bats in quality protein. That diet last for you by the way are you. You're not still Kita right now. Right now So I'm I'm different. People that are watching this. I mean I don't know how you know. Most people don't have a health issue. That just takes a reliable as technology changes if you pay attention to it so can you? Insulin has gotten better. All right. Medication has got better that decks COM system that I was talking about that. You can literally put this chip on your leg. It's a bluetooth technology to read to your your apple. Watch and it beeps at us as going so we can get five ten fifteen grams of sugar real quick and you avoid a bad crash the middle of the night. That chip can tell you. If you're going to die or not one in twenty diabetic style sleep from hypoglycaemia. Too crazy number so like when you hear that stat to yearlings. Icty you know so But anyways technology improved that state that can help people avoid dying can alert all your friends and your you can put into the APP. It can alert them when you're low if you want. I don't ever need that. Never had medical episode Yeah have gotten lost. Cbo Germany Nomar was. I was kind of scary but like The point is technology has allowed me to eat more carbs better medication better monitoring of the blood sugar and is pretty frigging awesome. Because you know as much as technology can not always be good You know social media's will we're able to communicate with O- type ones when I was diagnosed like how did you communicate? It was like a heard my brother this matt. He's type one and he played football. Maybe he can help you. You know so now. Different man you can. You've got type. One Community is growing a lot. Do you think With all the technology that we have today that it's going to be very common for people to see viruses coming and people to see all kinds of different shit coming because like I'm wearing or a ring right now and I have an apple. Watch on I mean and these things The Aura ring has a specific thing you could sign up for and you can give them data and give them feedback with. They're hoping to learn. And I know a lot of other companies are doing the same thing like whoop and some of the other ones. So hopefully they gathered data that matches Symptoms of you know these viruses and then next time Someone's body temperature spikes up or some of these things happen. Maybe they can have an inkling of that they're getting ill and maybe they can get tested faster and maybe help prevent a lot of diseases. Yeah that's that's another aspect of technology helping you know with with sicknesses and It is great and Technology. GonNa continue improves on the other side. Okay still what is what are the tech? What are taking nerd friends that we appreciate? So what are they doing? Preventative Medication Who's preventing all this crap? You know I I love it and I'm with you man like I appreciate how technology is helping me be a healthier diabetic agency is lower than ever but also like will someone please please find out what the what the hell is causing this. You know so it's You know I look at things a two sided you know like yeah. I appreciate the technology but also is technology making attendance on it. You know so to the point where people can't even live without technology. You gotta think about conspiracy theories in a way like maybe want. Maybe one thing started because of another. Yeah is that one of those podcasts is. This could be curious about this because the I mean you mentioned when you were when you were doing Kito when you first started. I guess like having tell Ya three years. Three years You did you have to track your blood sugar much. Were you off of insulin at that point? Did you still have to take insulin somehow? Doing that was what was so cool. First of all Iran. With if there's anyone I can't relate all diseases but if there's anyone out there that's dealing with type one man look at it like a research project. Just have fun with it. That's what I did. I got to a point where I didn't need hardly any insulin. And they say it will get worse. So everyone's like. Oh yeah so I would go kita right. I'm on a low. Day roadhouse zero carps which all your trolls on answering your not zero zero. Listen you son of a you know what I'd say. Don't let me tell you. About what cars are you piece of Shit? Let me tell you okay. You think. There's carbs in asparagus. Because it says on brick and nutrition stacked there's carbon spiritus. I have to take a medication. The helps insulin. Go through the door and helps you absorb cards so let me tell you. A long time ago. Somebody created he's Nutrition facts right. And if if if. Asparagus ISN'T SPIKE IN MY BLOOD. Sugar if I two cups of various in it says it's supposed to have twenty grams of carbs. Whatever how the hell? Why doesn't it's like my blood sugar? It's it's it's non glucose responsive you know though like I. Would you know unwanted there but the point is you there? You can't go zero car. You know especially mark you definitely if you'd be eating all that's definitely zero car. Anyways I would have vegetables in our have a very very extremely low carb day and by the nighttime when I was influenced extremely incense in insulin sensitive. I would be eating food with no insulin. Because Protein is protein has glucose response. I didn't understand that early Fat Has I didn't understand that and most people just you know that are generally You know in fitness okay. Understand cards have glucose response but I would go like and I have a a chicken with asparagus in a whole handful. Almonds or cashews in need in the insulin and as is the leaner I got the less weight gotten lower. My Body Fat Guy. I would sometimes in one day. He's like one or two units of insulin versus now when I'm eating carbs. I'm Reid fifty units of insulin. You know so I know. I've seen both perspectives of Diet. And it's all just so interesting. Have you ever Like gotten fatter from Eaton protein and fats Have you ever like kind of overdone? The consumption of food or have you found that to really not be possible. What what have you seen mine And one thing I mean certain things. I believe genetics. I think people do have certain genetics with their metabolism. Some people are born into you know. I was born in extremely vast genetics. My boys just like me. My wife is not likely you know but what I'm saying is I. I've never gotten fat nerve to gain a lot of fat each so much. The one time alive. I like girlfriend. All we did drink cokes. Eat like complete crap all day like I don't know how to high school girlfriend. You're like that but Yeah I got. I think I almost lost my six pack but on a low what I did notice rum a low carb Diet On fats was at some of those fads. Dade give me a distended gut and I love it because I was also prime. I was out there on the magazine's hat stuff. So people see my social media and you know how the critical trolls be like. Oh Gee H belly Like okay now guys. I tried growth hormone. I can't take it. I'm so honored to get. I was like no. That's not a belly at is called. I don't know what's going on. Would what did growth hormone duty growth. I WANNA take growth hormone. I don't my doctor prescribed. I love actually had was he was like I tested. You have low numbers and low growth numbers like what the Hell I got so give me. Some growth hormone literally was lonely. How the hell do I know? He's like well some diabetics develops this so I go take it. Try Different Times of the day. It makes every type one insulin resistant. So even the smallest amount I mean I was able to take it and withstand it on a Kito Diet but even when I was kito or local super low car was still spiked. My butcher of all morning like seven. Am till one PM just over. Two hundred one eighty and you're losing weight at that point you're not absorbing nutrients that point. You're causing cellular damage at that point so I was like not for me and I was kind of pissed but like one thing I can't young people can't say is like oh. He has a growth belly. Noman that's just called. I think I would just push out a lot and I would. I did think that the fats did it. Because when you're eating thirty forty grams of fat and it was a Lotta nut fats. So if I can rewind I'll probably would have done different sources of that but I mean you learn. How did you say nuts? No we talk it shaved. It might plug manscaping. There's now a break for our sponsors so it might not be worth it for you but like have you. Did you look into like The like it's basically like a g h compound but the M. K. six hundred seven. The Guy I got in my fridge my fridge all excited. I'm like okay now. My Docs is There's a new peptide thing. Same thing I am going to Beta test it. I am going to try it again because I didn't try not low carb diet but as soon as I feel like going low carb. It's in the fridge along with an idea. One Peptide and they both caused me. Insulin resistance the only thing that hasn't Moreland. Morlin does not cause insulin resistance very very little. Just a tiny group. So you're saying Nazi injectable right Have you tried the oral version? Morley no the oral version of that That G. H. Secreta Gog K seven seven. That's yeah oral version. Okay and then they give me injectable version of want an even split them. I don't want to get your hopes up but I think when I took it. I did become insulin Sensitive as well incident so on your resistance. Aryeh my Lancelot jacked up. It was not good especially. If you're not even diabetic. Yeah so you you pretty much dig carbs right because now you just take insulin and eat. The carbohydrates is there. Is there any other reasons for the shift in in nutrition or is it just To kinda like live your life and you find it easier to have a little bit of carbohydrates it was. Yeah it is different reasons but really it was like all right. I've done low-carbon Kito for so many years and I started traveling a lot at the time. That's why I kind of took a break from competing. I started working and had some good opportunities over the world and I had already traveled so much and I wasn't able to like trial the carbs in China in Philly New Zealand in Europe Man. I'm going to eat now and also I had a new medication Had A new pill that I started. This pill helps extreme glucose through deliver the process of urination. So your glucose hold a tunnel liver your liver holds a ton of glucose. When you're diabetic it holds two or three times as much as some type of fighter flight response so this drug invokana allowed me more. Carbs like aren't doing it. You know if you can imagine like literally like you can't eat carbs ever even want being so careful and then all of a sudden you have this drug. You're like a and I did. I got bigger. I got bigger not a lot then halted. The CARBS didn't accelerate games like as much and I was updating doses of anything it was just simply the carves in fact probably doing less stuff because competing so You know I the cards were just more like a a funding and also I was going to transition a classic so I needed a game about twenty pat not twenty pounds of muscle. I just looked at twenty pounds period. I don't body fat. Go to crazy so I wanted to get to about two thirty five so I got two to thirty three to thirty four hours heavy server. God I'm five ten and then from there. There's two carbs gaining more weight. You know In some thanks kicked in so now I'm like open to dropping carbs again because honestly I still better like when you look at both diets and when you really your person who's like what's the best diet for me you really evaluate things accurately. It's like it really is a research project to you. You can figure out what works for you. I promote that people. Don't just go off this. Don't jump around from all these different diets not really doing properly. But if I if I could say like what I prefer what I focused on the best mood you noticed. Consistency energy is a lower carb. Diet for sure knows curious about this too as you were mentioning all of that and obviously I have massive ignorance. Since I've I'm not diabetic have never. I don't know what that lifestyle is. But you're mentioning. How like when you were eating more carbs. Yes you lies more insulin. I don't know how that is like on a daily basis. If it's multiple times that you have to use it offer. It's one large time. But like let's say you're done with the when you get done competing per se right Does it affect your quality of life having to you so much. Insulin and would you go lower carb to no carb? Does that make life easier in any way or is life easier and more enjoyable? I kind of like mark set utilize more cards and using words land Absolutely without getting too detailed here first of all type diabetics do have to take insulin. Every single meal okay. So six meals a day. You're taking six sls every time before he Especially with Karch Then you have to also pin you know inject yourself for corrections and this is where you start falling off like diabetics. Don't do this. Traction means if you go over one twenty or I'm sorry. One forty to make a correction put a unit in bringing it Back Down Twenty. You go to two hundred. You take whatever. Your scale is all Scale I would take four units in. Probably bring me back down from two hundred to one twenty one forty somewhere in there all right. So there's many variables but the point is you're constantly like injecting so you just not like a roller coaster. WanNa be fine line so I say I tell my people you know my clients and the people I talked to. You don't want to life like this. Even if it's not diabetes like people's lives suck on rollercoaster highs up to find a consistent lifestyle and so for diabetics. Low carb is very consistent. It's not to insult will have side effects. I know you said that like will insulin. Have side effects. Yeah a little bit of water bloating. decided becoming resistant to insulin on. That's why there's tied to become resistant to their own insulin. But really every if you're not like a freak about trying to for stuff like me just go low carb you know I've been able to do it but I yeah had to spend You know I have to the decks system. It's not cheap. You know have to have amazing insurance agent decks on alert system a lot of bad ass insurance that the medication I have to talk. My doctors have an old like literally negotiations to start getting them to give me Invokana and when I pass it onto my clients. They can't always talk doctors into it even though it's better form so the point is like I wouldn't have to go to all. His extra effort is slow car to be conscious of just over eating. Because you mention each things spiking insulin. So I'd imagine if you were just a like really have added just have a huge meal even if it was a steak a baked potato and even like a small dessert afterwards. That imagine that you got to pay attention to even that meal right. Yeah because it's his nature to be like it's so I I don't. It doesn't add a distress. Sometimes it will. Sometimes we'll have like a moment of screamer or you want to break the wall that you have a good wife that reason. I'll use my wife. Is You know she's got my back and I'll just say hey I'm having like a feel sorry for you know I think a lot of diabetics have but like you. Just do you do it every day. You're people talk about counting macaroni. And I I have to do that. Every single real so. We got a plate of food. You know people to star eating it if you're fit fitness enthusiasts. Maybe you're coming back or is now you're like okay? That's but you don't have to be accurate in order to maintain your lifestyle maintain health so counting crows. Just like food is mass to me. I look at and I have to mean you have to you have to do it. You have to do it every meal year after year. So you know when it when it comes to like trying new things and all that or I'm sorry I kind of forgot what yes but when it comes to eating a big meal it doesn't really like affecting I guess like your I don't gorge out but maybe that's just because I'm just accustomed to that gorging out because I did now now that you're absolutely that I definitely did like gorge out sued before. I had become probably a better diabetic competing. Competing it's like man. I'll be so good and so consistent in my my and then your diet emus three four five percent body fat wherever you are and then after the show man for a week you just go go Har Cheek meals every day. That was the last time I haven't had any issues since two thousand sixteen was like extreme insulin resistance and since. I stopped trying to take growth. What a what makes people fat? Because you'll hear sometimes somebody will say. Oh you don't want your insulin spike. That's GonNa make you fat so in your opinion Why are so many people fat? Will I mean I can only relate to my issues also but not trained? Thousands of people trained many many overweight people. And I will get into you know insulin resistance a little bit but really. I think it's just overall calories in my opinion overall calories like if they were so scientific and talk about insulin resistance with an overweight person. We've talked what? Causes Insulin Resistance? Aright your emotional eating at eleven o'clock at midnight your expounding a whole Stack Oreos. Whatever your ice is that was it. Sounds good he does. But you know what it's like so my thing is. Let's teach them like moderation. Let's put on Os put on a whole bunch of muscle. You know the Mark Bell Way and then guess what you can eat a holden stack post workout. If if but you have to get to that level you know about now like with competitions being stopped like. I don't know how it is for all the competitions. You had coming up but what have you had to adjust You may because like carnivores shoot man I don't we limit prettily like solitary lifestyle. I mean I was at I was at Columbus. It's not like we don't get out do stuff but also have two twin boys fifteen months old so we don't go out and do stuff with them. Anyway we'll We'll take him to Costco. You know a little bit now. We don't they can costco. We'll take Go meet some friends for dinner. Food or launch now. We don't do that but we weren't our activity already. Slow down and you know what what change is. Just really my focus man. I feel like I am more focused in in more. Appreciated more grateful because of all this It's opened my eyes. I said something day like it's funny. You'll the kroner virus. I mean. You really weren't aware of like who all's align the same integrity and morals and beliefs says you can. This is kind of open up your eyes to it. I've just seen away. A lot of people handled stuff this pandemic and You know not to be too crazy. You're too deep here but it's just like I WANNA to surround myself with you know people who who want to help the world and not just complain. Criticizing wine about I want to. I WANNA surround myself with people who lift up other people and even even our current. I was you know. I don't even watch the news but I was watching one channel all on. The media's criticize government criticized the president and all this and I'm sitting here. I'm like dude not not to get involved too much but it's just like you know. I I think people just have a negative mindset. You know the media will push push him there so I stay away from that because the minute I turn it on start seeing a lot of negative attention I felt like it just brings down live while focus on right now. So I've got to business plans written. You know we've been spending more time together. We've got over two new recipes. I just finalizing APP launch once. All done design meetings with clothing designer on some premium fitness. Close them trying to do for like five years. So I'm saying proactive. To all this. You know so it's almost like I don't WanNa say I appreciate it but like if you have downtime. Embrace it do the best. You can downtime. Yeah this is Certainly slowing down and Maybe you know at this time. Everything moving in slow motion people can see things a little bit better. I know just something so simple. I just appreciate my wife more. I mean I already know what she does but just kind of watching everything kinda come to a screeching halt and then seeing how much she takes care of what the kids and stuff. It's like Holy Shit like I'm super grateful for her and she's my business partner as well and then I I kind of just recognize how much she shoulders a lot of the business and stuff. Even though you know I'm I'm an gets gets the only gets the credit for it but I also take the bullets too but it's It's just you know. Open my eyes a lot and I. I've known that we we spent a lot of time together and we'd get along really well and I spent a lot of time with my kids and stuff too but man it's been it's actually been fun. Actually been great sitting there watching TV with them and just kind of Just I don't know just being more involved in their lives and stuff. It's it's been kind of a blessing really. Yeah same here. Same sometime. Stays need to slow down and You know I am a spiritual person too so I always believe. Things have a greater meaning. Maybe just naive but I was trying to look at the positive and everything so I made a poster day. I talked about the corona virus. And I kinda just throw it out there to see what people would say. I'm trying to get you know I'd like to hear from people and just see where they're at. Try Not to give too much influence on what I think sometimes just flat out say what are some of your thoughts on this night said something effective like Feel that the The quarantine is effective. Or do you feel already feel. It's making things worse. Where do you stand on this? Oh yeah because I had a I. I remember what I put. Yeah I don't know if you're messing around or whatever but you just said you you just kinda think you said worse but you didn't really say and then it inflamed people so I didn't know if you drop that and if you want to do like a drive by your dot that that and then drove off or or no we look at my. I thought I thought you had asked. Is it better or worse off? Gotcha from if we hadn't been quarantined. Say Stay at did not ever quarantine said it would have been. I was thinking it would have been worse right right right. No I'm all for like the stay at home Maybe I didn't read it right. I don't know I I support. I think likely says talking about diets. Health look at the root cause. Where did this come from? And people are naive. Like didn't come from China. Okay. All she did. This came from China. I don't even believe this came from bat soup. I think this came from a lab that was it was leaked somehow. Hopefully not on purpose but it could have been purpose of couldn't run accident. But where did this come from? Came from a research facility in China all right so I believe that had been contained in China better and had they been more public about it earlier that this wouldn't have got all the other countries it's not it's not it's not crazy. I mean. Think about like when you're a little kid you like fuck with like matches or something. You you light a cardboard box on fire and you're like fuck man. I let that whole box on fired and didn't mean to do that. And you splash water or something you. That's the end of it right in some crazy bastard. Probably starting also testing type one diabetes just like just like a kid you try to hide it and you don't. WanNa tell anybody about it. Cheers talking about what box? I didn't let a box on fire. Throw behind your back. I started fires kid I was I was bad. I was like not on purpose to burn down. Which would but yeah I got. I ran and told everybody right. And I don't think they're giving us all the All the details on it but I agree with you. I think it doesn't really do us any good to I think it does goods to speculate on what we think is the right thing to do but I don't think it. It makes a lot of sense to completely disregard. You know kind of like what's what's being said. I think just like even even watching the presidential candidates and stuff get up there and talk and it's like man. Could there ever be a time where anybody collaborates I mean? I know that you're not going to really see that. Especially BECAUSE WHO? The current president is but I just think like you would get everyone. You get everyone to listen to you if you were like if it was biden or someone like that and he was like. Hey man this is a really tough spot to be and I would like to see things done a little bit more like this but I support. What's going on? Imagine me said that. Imagine how many people would be like this dues. Cool like WHO's this guy? This guy has got an open mind. I think I think they would flip their brain around on on who they're thinking about selecting otherwise. I think that I think trump's GonNa win easily again because I think people. Are we too scared for any sort of change? No exactly ended. That's this that's what I was talking about that. What the media is just tearing down politicians. In a time. When they are trying their best and they're tearing down the president The Democrats turned out. Republicans Republicans you know. Maybe doing the same thing. I don't see it as much but you know personally. It's just like you know at what point you be like. Hey we can be enemies later. We can disagree later right now and you stand up and get this stimulus package done. Get these checks out to people. If that you know truly helps I you know something was all of twelve hundred dollars. It can help anyone know when I was twenty. Five years old and I was living paycheck to paycheck. Twelve hundred dollars helped me out a lot. She Donna money. Especially if you don't have anything coming in Man Yeah I could live off twelve hundred dollars for two months back then like easy. I would've moved out of my apartment. Alvin fine you know. Delay car payment looting. My parents you know and live up to a hundred bucks free longer. That bad too was plus went out and made some extra money so like it could help and But I do think people need to be quarantined right now. I believe that had if people would have listed the quarantine from the beginning starting from where it all started in China even to now we would have a lot less issues. Look at. I mean it's blatantly obvious like there's no there should. This is a statistic the most populated sees where the people are most social have the most concentrated amounts of the disease all right because they're out and about doing stuff all right so rural communities where. I live in my city. We have one person. You don't Prosper Texas for of Dallas Downtown Dallas author sayings about the blow up. There's pictures of people on where I used to live. We moved up here. We had kids Katy trail. This trail is just tons of people in the mayor's on the news like I'm ashamed of you people this and that like yeah. That's what people do in concentrated. They they refuse to this from each other so yeah. I don't know what else you need to know like yet. You absolutely should've quarantined in should've listened better and then we wouldn't have this problem and you know it's it's ridiculous because we're all GonNa hurt financially and You know it's at one point though you start asking okay. Do we let businesses open back up since you know the stronger. Immune people aren't necessarily dying from this and come come down to like testing enough. They can get people tested then. Maybe they can make better assessments on. Who can do what? But you know I don't know how the regulate in all that stuff I think think. Today they said another thirty days. I think that's what I heard but I don't know did you guys hear things now. I didn't see anything. Thirtieth nother April. Thirtieth is what the president said in the beginning of April. Now he's just talking a little bit more of the end of April. I think he said the kind of pushed back yet makes sense. I mean we're starting to I think we're getting to the peak Which you know sounds horrifying. But I think that we're we're getting close to that ramping up to where it needs to ramp up to and then it will start coming back down again at least leery because you keep people separated for a long enough time and then enough people get it. Where enough people will be immune to it and Like China you know. They're they're back to work and I don't think they have anything negative going on but it's hard. It's hard to tell yeah. I had some Chinese people comment on my stuff. It's in Chinese. I do have a few friends there so I mean you can. I can reach out and ask community. It's like how do you really know the truth? But just filter the medical workers right now writing overtime stressed out even Dr my doctors at various successful dude man. He's got mostly practices. He posts something as personal facebook. Like and I. Actually I shared on page in Israel. Lifelike veteran doctors in their sixties. That are like the scares me. Isn't this really a? This is really a wild thing. That's impacting the world. You know like a lot of times. You hear about like a An earthquake or you hear about law Kano and it's just like impacting this area and you're like man that's horrific and you see it and it's like on the news for a couple of days but because it's not American problem you it disappears Nine eleven was a thing for a long time. But if you weren't you weren't impacted the same way every all Americans were impacted. Obviously that you know scared the Shit. Everybody of what was going to happen next and stuff like that. You know those people in that condensed area same thing with like the Boston bombing and even just like it seems like the news is always like got their face in something right there like nose down in in some sort of material for a while. It was You know all these older men getting in trouble for sexual harassment and that was the thing and that impacts as a large subset of people and it hurts a lot of people but this is damaging the entire world so this is just a different a different thing and I. I don't recall ever experiencing anything like this since I've been around now. Never I don't know I don't think we've ever faced anything even close to this except for maybe the plague and we didn't have as much information. There is still so many people that were unaware of what's going on now. Everyone it's on their face. You know when I look at their phone right channel TV. You know everyone's been affected in. Yes it's funny because you like using those names or the like now your wives are now look at their hazards like hitting shoot kit. He can't protect their. Yeah Yeah and I'm like yeah I mean I would be all right but I did. I don't know if you guys thought about that. Would I survive? I got a gun. I've killed a deer before. I'm not a hunter but I would probably have to move in with my my my wife's parents we'd have 'cause they're big hunters. Now get a ton of guns. So yeah that was. My thought too was like okay. Who Do I know that actually does have like the ammo and everything and I got some uncles that know how to hunt and everything so I think we'll be all right but you know yeah just about like accepting and being like I'll clean your weapons if you give me some food right. Yeah what what business do you got? You mentioned. You have a couple of different businesses man. So we've been before all this. I had parted ways with partners in my CV business and now it's taken longer than expected. But it's really because I needed new partnership and So I Before all this autumn not gonNA launch seemingly during this pandemic but offering one CD one sensor wrath nature and So cvt business Just was pretty vocal about it. I'm just so tired of a lot of the clothing companies. I mean there's some good ones out there but I had a bad end of business with this Australian clothing company recently so I have been meeting to get with this designer anyway. We've talked he's a. I guess I won't say his big he's got a big like actual high end designer menswear at New York. And so we've been talking a long time about doing like legit high in fabric workout. Wear we need shit to make us? Look Jack really jacked. Yeah Animal Pat Seal but with a little bit less sized FRANKEN grass. If you guys know follows ad I love those so like just a like a dingy yet. Thick in we'll go into performance fabrics later but will start off with just the culture of the company. Which is this your hardcore steel. You KNOW LIFTING CLOTHES. That are durable. Do not get messed up. And so I've always loved clothes. Looks like men's style and So that would make me happy. You know we who make money whether or not of course hopefully do but I just love coming up with concepts that like I feel like my followers customers alike to where the gym and So then the APP the APP school too. So they're all these real passion products in Yami. I gotta pay the bills and support my family but I'm super excited about this APP because a lot of people doing APPs but I've I've never been able to do one that integrates with type two diabetics because it has to be pretty sophisticated has to be pretty detailed so Yeah launching the APP later. This summer wants everyone stops getting sick about the stuff Is that something? You're going to get back into. Yeah I like this evening was was great for me. I was like all these companies. Were sending me stuff on my two thousand eighteen. You know it's it's kind of a way of influencing and people ask you for address in tons of free stuff. It's cool but I started taking the CD in started knows my blood sugar was stabilizing and this was right. I just told you guys right. When I was like stop competing I had done a year of high carb trying to figure out how to stabilize my blood sugar on a high carb diet and it was like better. It was like worst is better better better better until finally like two thousand eighteen was officially can do like four hundred five hundred grams of carbs and have a great agency score and but then. I added India the CD. And I was like man. I'm actually someone a little bit more insulin sensitive so I noticed I was using like a little bit less insulin and come to find out you know. I've done a little research. There was no research in two thousand eighteen on. Cd's actually a legal in the US. But I find forums and CD is a great anti inflammatory and so all autoimmune disorders are inflammatory diseases so it made sense why was helping. I couldn't figure out why and I was like. Oh we'll see. D is great for inflammation so I actually gave it to a lot of people were inflammatory diseases. And this is all the foresee got real big but I had given it to our family members. She's low girls rheumatoid arthritis on the steroids maker. Face SWALLOW UP. She having dance senior year or junior high school. She was home schooled so she was really just slow one and she took it and she was like her. Dad takes me and was like hey. She's like coming to work out with me a gym for a year. She's going back dance class so we city had its benefits. And that's why I was like all right. This is something a standby and you know. First month you know. I had had like repeat customers of supplements not only endorsements in Oman mound brand. Maybe maybe I will assessments one day but like I had never had people like this much heart into it. The emails and the response from the CD was like dude. I've been on exhibit medication for five years now and I'm like my doctor told me it's okay to drop it stuff like that like stuff. That makes you emotional. You know you like doing something to impact the world so I like to see me like it. Of course there's a Lotta scam where it's out there too. That's that's what I was going to ask because like I've tried a couple of different things for my back like I've tried topical stuff. I've tried vaping it. I've tried like drops. Like like in my. You know whatever under the tongue and everything and I haven't really been like able to notice like a significant or even a difference at all so is it just because I'm trialing bullshit products or is it like a person to person basis What is the what's the we're talking back I I've always had back issues really but like I've Herniated disk but this was a couple years ago now Basically what it comes down to is. I've been sitting for like twelve years straight like two jobs in a row where I sat all day long every day. So that's really what it comes comes down to what training a super trainings helped a ton. That's actually the only thing that's ever really helped but You know just we have companies that send a shit all the time too and it's like Oh so you heard that's great for anti inflammation stuff. Like I would try it like I think maybe probably not you know. I don't know I'm not trying to bash CD on just you know saying like I've never really noticed a difference. I'll just curious. Is it like there's people like you? Yeah there's people that so you gotta look at all the variables like you gotta look at. You know I would ask. It could be bad product but also like did you take it consistently for at least two or three weeks Yes Sir I'm not saying yes I'm just like I didn't know that it would like well. I would assume that built a almost like a tolerance. I wasn't sure if it would like accumulate It doesn't accumulate but you're Indo cannabinoid system. Okay in in your brain is what you know where the receptors in. I'M NOT LIKE MR scientists about this. That's why partners that I work with. But you'll basically everyone has a different response on with their Indo cannabinoid system. All right so my example was like you know some people get really high you know when they smoke weed and some people will function will go to work and do podcast on that one of those people on. Mike good night so but with CD It it can have a different response in you know It's not based on weight. It's not based on sex or anything like that. It's just based on you. All of us actors earned within your body so the pain could be too high that they can't handle extremely bad pain Inflammation a leg for pregnant woman. That saving like Restless leg syndrome at night or something. You know my wife at yeah like it. Drops her pain that day. But it's not like intolerable back pain from herniated discs or something Reduced like hit her dad or dads. Sometimes it works sometimes. It doesn't it's frustrating. Because he has. He has a muscular earn muscular sclerosis. So yeah is it's gotten he's able to not digressing too much but like the CD would help sometimes sometimes it wouldn't this Cajun Guy. He's like a tough guy he's like he lives on the by you. He's got a shrimp boat in the back of his house. Jason this stuff isn't working. Would you send me this time? It's Oh there's some new all right well you gotta simulator stuff this stuff. All I'm like are will you don't? It's not as dangerous. It's an organic compound you know. That's why pharmaceuticals addicted to them when they worked superstrong. So yeah the CD is crazy. And we're going to learn more and more about it but you gotta take a consistent two and twice a day. It's not one time of day. They don't have any time. Release your take. Cd morning and night. How's your training going right now? Man I'm killed. I'm I'm killing. It could be a little bit better if I was in my normal Jim but I've got a home gym Are You? Are you posting this on any video format? I'll show you. Yeah Okay you train at home quite often train outside and stuff right. Oh yeah I like to train outside Texas. Yeah Man I like to sweat it. Gets you know July August. Not You're not gonNA find me train outside. That's like death. Wish how how brains and runny too. That Hooper Humid Jason. As you're heading to your gym I'm curious. Because a lot of trainers and coaches listen to this and a lot of them have clients. And you mentioned you do have clients such working wet. So how are you keeping those individuals like motivated and continuing on? When they don't a lot of them might not have a home gym or access to a gym. What advice do you have for individuals to keep them going man? I have sent everyone to buy. Bands and bands will make them dance. No I the bands are the best resistance you have. I try to tell people most of my guys are guys that WanNa look like me or some of the bigger some smaller but they all WanNa get Jack. They won't have as much muscles possible So I tell them we gotta find some way to have the most resistance possible so I don't do a ton of online training. I don't do a one on one. I only have like fifteen people at a time I used to do. Fifty seventy five Was chaotic so I only trade fifteen people at a time so those people are able it is work in a smaller number of middle to communicate with them a little better and Yeah resistance bands heavy resistance bands and then dumbbells so everyone I did have one client. That was like Oh. I can't find bills or couldn't find resistance because we caught it early on so they've all ordered dumbbells or resistance bands in some of my clients. Even bought home gyms like me but for those trainers trainers outcry train a lot more than me like they have hundreds of clients. If that's the case I mean that's why you probably want to have an APP. You won't have a business format where you're able to communicate in a in a mass amount quickly so it's an organized fashion so these people can take your advice in goat psych I know three years ago. Australia's much man. I'll be stressed out right now but you know that's why when. I launched his at say this happens again. Okay we'RE GONNA go straight to body. I'm GONNA film everything right here in my studio and they can take that body workout in the band's workout dumbo workout and run with that said they can answer questions. Yeah yeah definitely. Do you have any recommendations for Anti Catholic? This around you should be as the touch screen. Yeah there you go so we'll start with this. You guys see commercial for this thing. Yeah yeah that's crazy that's right No no no. This is called the tonal. Oh The Mirror is like different. I think the tone was better. I don't know much about the beer. But the tonal is look at. Here's a resistance. You can turn the resistance out of a hundred pounds on each side. That's two hundred dollars this you pick your exercise custom-made if you don't want to just pick one exercising create your own program then you can pick all these different trainers that they have previously shot a you want to do a workout. Or that's already been done. You can take all his men I through this on a live and I had so many questions about it but like yeah here. Let's go train. Who WOULD YOU PICK MARK? Did you go crush when you did the workout? You know what I haven't done one of these workouts yet. I bet you get killed Donham. I think I think mark will go and Nicolette. She looks hard. Yeah I always. I always pick chicks when I go on the Peleton thing I send my wife pictures all the time like you check out. Training with the arms go out. I'm super impressive. Thing and emily look how thin it is right up against the wall so people that have like you know a tight space. I gotta earn my Garage Jim. But that it's right up against the. I can still pull my car in park so then yeah that's crazy flooring ordering is like the foundation of my Jim. I'm so I'm so glad I did it because this is rubber. It's me and my kids can fall on. It can run on it. I can drop dumbbells on it so instead of doing a poxy in my garage. I did this rub court awesome. So that's where this is the prime fitness rag. Kinda start from the the top to bottom but you got your poll up. Options here goes in and out Then cable system got two different cable systems. One right here. Resume flies earlier in. See the weight going right there. You can actually hatched this cable. It is sick you can attach this up to the BARBELL TUNES. You can add a cable resistant. Cinnabar bill onto handles on an you know about sponsors. Ossining rescinded. Where's your where's where's your mirror. No myriad is a walmart and the Walmart tanning bed. Man That's outside weren't sexist views. Go Lay out. Get some vitamin vitamin D right. Now that's awesome man. How's IT BEEN Being home with the kids you mentioned a little bit of that. Your kids are only Fifteen months old but like it's kind of a really cool time to probably be around you get to see their progression every single day. I'm sure they're moving around a little bit more everyday. They gotTA LEARN NEW TRICKS EVERY DAY. And you got two of them. So what's happened? Like Oh Man. It's like they say is greatest joy ever the Much win boys. They grow up so fast. Try to appreciate every single moment and I Did. I'm still always working from home but of course I'm home even more than ever right now and Dan they're starting to do the coolest stuff you know. And they're just like one starting to talk to us. It makes no sense whatsoever. It is so freaking cute like I could just sit there and type of conversation with him and I don't understand a word he's saying you know and then the other one. He doesn't say a word he's like. He's totally silent. Their polar opposite. Don't have the same blood fraternal twins. They don't have the even the same blood like one's got my lead at once and they look nothing alike It's called. They're starting to love on each other. The KISS EACH OTHER IN UTAH. Like they'll they'll they'll fight and screaming all that sudden. They'll go like that. That's the way term of endearment right like It's a cool. It's a cool phaser in right now and they're also teething too. So Yeah Melanie teases. It's it's just I can imagine that this teat grown out. Your gums drew drooling all over the place right. One drew a little bit. The other one didn't really drool that much. My daughter jewelry through like we. We put like a bib on her just because she would drool so much is walk around drool hanging out of her face off discussing. Yeah I know most kids do. They haven't ruled that much man. I guess I don't know what's going on. We got a dog. I got a eight month year. Old Pit Bull. He's rules discussing. I'll say it looks like you're on just kind of made for this quarantine because you kind of work from home already. I mean you have to fifteen month year old. Do not a person that goes out and goes to work that much. So I've heard some stores have some guys that are having to stay home and they're just hating their lives right now. That was me. I mean I don't know about you guys but that was me before I got married. I never stop moving. I was Mr Social. I thought always had FOMENTO. Didn't like would would think I was going to miss every social Or Miss something you know and The get married was good for me. Getting married having kids. Just settle down and move to a smaller town. It is twenty thousand people have blown up. It's it's the fastest growing city in America. But like you know it's still not downtown. And Yeah no I mean I is race. The quarantine lives man embrace it. Are you a sports guy? Do you like like football and stuff like that. Like how you doing with All the sports being gone mental fine right now but if football's canceled. I don't know how it's GonNa some basketball. You talk stuff wait you have canceled now to well you yeah a lot of. Ufc stuff is Is cancelled but I know they were doing some of it without a audience but I think more recently. I think they canceled some of them right. Yeah they said they're going to postpone like all of the events until April till the Khabib fight but who knows now that might even be Postponed as well. You know what's funny? I asked Dana White. I don't know Dana White. I'M NOT. He answered me on his life. I was like I thought they were still going. I'll say hey. Thanks for giving us. The only sports can watch now and he goes man. Zik. We're trying. I'm trying not look into to go but I'm trying a I think we still got. Wwe Do really. I think so. I think wrestlemanias going downstairs. It's been weird. I haven't like tuned in or anything but I've seen clips where they're just. They're doing everything. But the there's no crowd. It's completely empty so I've been meaning like actually watch it because I want to see what the vibe is like. We're like you know people were like you know they're fighting. It's supposed to be intense but there's no cheering going on or anything. I'd imagine it would be pretty freaking weird but yeah that sounds like it's going to be comedy without like having a a crowds laugh at you especially with how much I mean mark. You know those guys play off the crowd. How the hell is going to be possible. Yeah I don't know man they're making you're making it work yeah. Creative writers have to change everything up just to make it like not seem so silly. Well I mean it's going to be hard not to seem but you know what I mean you do. Ww Mark. Yeah I did. I wrestled for about five years. I'd also want I wanted to to The Rock I saw that he's doing like alive. like cheat meal. I don't know if you guys saw him posting about that lace talking about eating a cheap alive and he's like drinking vodka need something eating something else and I was just fucking around. I posted something earlier today and said that that sort of a bitchy stole my idea. 'cause I was eating a tart like eight years ago. I'm sure other people have a film themselves eating cheap meals before but I just thought that was funny. That he's filming that live and he's like having Tequila and then he said it's going to be with his favorite food. I always find those Those guys entertaining. I always like stone cold the rocks shit like that but yeah I. I wrestled for years and that was a lot of fun man. I got a chance to do some stuff with. Wb got a chance to meet a lot of the pro wrestlers and stuff like that was pretty cool cool. Yeah I don't know I don't know it's some- somewhere in the back of my brain. I remember that that is going to be probably saw bigger stronger. Faster something along the way and some of that's in there. Yes I did see that. What got you what got you into lifting in the first place. I wasn't going fast enough and Shawna wasn't as straight up. I mean I graduated high school and I was always like mediocre at everything I could. I couldn't start at any of the high school sports and I'd probably take the wrong sports because there are sports. I was good. I was really good at wrestling and hockey but the big sports in Texas football basketball and baseball and how much size about. How much do you weigh? Now I'm to twenty five ten off fluctuate five pounds down really. I won't go up five bounds but Yeah so to twenty two eighteen and But when I graduated. High School is one fifty five. Yeah that was just a thin thin guy. Rotate out show. I grew after high school too so I was only like five nine. I grew another inch high school. But I you know really Also had an issue. I was a legally blind in this eye and I really didn't know it was a gradual thing. It's called caradache onus so it messed up my depth perception. So we're always already probably not gonNA play calls for its anyway. My senior year screwed because I had no depth perception. My shot at basketball was when I caught caught routes receiver. Cutting no where the ball was terrible. My coaches are like and my parents didn't have money man. We didn't have insurance all that so we could have gotten it. Diagnosed Was when I had job after high school at health. Insurance Whence OPTOMETRIST's Yeah you have this rare disease for a Kid. You need to get this This cornea transplant They cut off my cornea put on donors. And I mean like Sutures I. It was extremely painful in regular procedure. Now it was regular but back exploratory so anyways that's when I got my vision back. Mary thanks I was like all right. Let me and I was already lifted weights so it was funny like Lettuce is truth when I started lifting weights But it was all just like that. It was a lack of being athletic. I wasn't like I was so competitive but genetically. I wasn't competitive. You know so I had to work for it and the weights. Man Just took me started as big as my friends. It started as fast as friends and then I found a passionate like I want to train these guys. You know my friends are in College. May Have Gone. Nfl Implant Professional Sports. I was like I can help them be even better and Awesome a mom told me growing up to. She was like you know. I don't know about you. Guys were like moms are always right. You're a man. Should there was right? I denied her. Like fifteen to twenty one is she was like. I think you need to. You're going to heal people in some way. She's a she's a Christian very spiritual person too and she was an unnamed. Your Jason for a reason. It means the healer in the Bible. Mom was I am not going to be a doctor too stupid. Like we can't afford college not GonNa pay for my own way through Dr School. This is not and then finally I was like wait. Was Morales is right. If I know people do Fitness Ansa got certified nother certification jumped in the first lifetime fitness. It opened up in Dallas Texas and then started. It looks like you're doing a pretty good job of it now. Yeah Man. It's it's a whole other ballgame now frigging trainer corner now but yeah. It's it's all about why people ask me like how they can get certain level like what what what is your why. What is the reason why you want to be in a fitness world? Because if it's to get rich you're gonNA fail you know what sucks is actually? No you can just want to get rich in the fitness world. Now and you can get rich with those dudes suck. I don't know that they're happy. I don't know they're truly Cheney wives but if you want a long lasting career that stable where you get incredible feedback and you have people calling you back ten and twenty years later saying a this one is still thank you for all the help. You GotTa Start Fitness. Help people it should be about their results. Be about their goals even more than yourself. You know that's always hard for me to be a competitor to be ip pro. Because I had to kind of stop personal training refereeing but you know you can always go back to it. And that's what I'm doing now. Cool Man I don't WanNa take up anymore your time. You probably need to go. Eat another banana as well was that on video or not. That was yeah. It was on your on the Internet eating a banana. Where can people find you? man. I'm going to relaunch youtube this year. I do all right with you too when I'm on Youtube. It's money Jason Posting instagram's Jason Posts in pro facebook. I don't know how the hell do tick Tock. Maybe mark can show me. Do take yet but man you that is yet to stay up on. Instagram. Thanks man appreciate your time and have a good rest of your day. Not Take Care of those kids. Yeah I will mark. Thanks thank you thank you thanks. All righty cool man. We got a Jim tour. Yeah Diabetes. I knew is diabetic but I didn't know like the severity of it and I didn't realize I don't think I knew they was type one. I just assumed he was type two because he got it Later in life so diabetes is really weird not super complicated and your blood. Sugar is a really weird thing. It's pretty wacky. Yeah it's really crazy but like that's why I was so curious about like Yo and getting rid of carbs and how it affected him it what it seemed like is that mean. Things were easier when he wasn't you know random and obviously I'm not diabetic. Not Telling people just donate cars but it does. It's not as simple as that. I get it but it does seem like that's a big part of it. Like he said lowering your carbon take going loads in carb can make a very big difference but it's dependent to on whether you have high blood sugar. Low Blood Sugar Whether your insulin resistant or whether your body no longer produces insulin which I believe is the case with him. Or maybe his body only secretes a small amount of it I know you know with my own personal experience with some of the people in my life One of our good family friends is a type one diabetic and she's managed really well with a lower carb lifestyle But she still needs carbohydrates. Just as Jason was eating a banana. She still needs a eat. Some foods like that here and there and she still needs a. I think she's hooked up to some sort of monitor. I think that Gives her insulin kind of throughout the day or something like that? I'm not sure didn't have an opportunity to ask him about that but and then also my mother-in-law was type two diabetic. She's still had success. She's come off all her medication And she's been doing good. She does a little bit of weights at home. She's got like eight and twelve pound weights and six pound weights at home. Maybe three pound weights. Do she moves around a bunch of different ways. Curls shoulder presses Like symbolic squats and she does a bunch of walks every day and she just doesn't eat carbohydrates and she will occasionally you know have crackers and some things that you know aren't on the diet she'll eat some things that may have some carbs in but our agreement that we worked on was. Hey try to have if you're going to have some carbs try to only have Meals that have maybe less than like about twenty grams per meal and then each person's case is going to be different so I can't say you can take that one to the bank but that's really worked really well for her. It's been so much more about not just not eating carbohydrates but about consistent movement consistent exercise. She just didn't like the move that much. She was kind of a homebody. She did a lot of our and she wasn't should not a person that's heavy at all and so it was just about convincing her. Hey like this movement is GONNA be Super Important for you to fight against this disease Als also really curious. I didn't really like he's for the quarantine but obviously individuals that have diabetes. They're much more susceptible to this general. Like that's one of the things that everyone's talking about Being Obese having diabetes being older so it seems that he was like four the quarantine. But I was. I didn't get to ask Mike how he really feels like He. Fearful you know yeah. It doesn't seem like he's very fearful because he kinda has had to think about death so the next person said like one in twenty people that have type one diabetes die under sleep. So I'm sure that it doesn't mean he's not afraid of anything but I I think that he's had to maybe think about you. Know more than maybe the next person so he seems healthy though too so I mean he does have an autoimmune disease and that would lead you to believe that is immune system might be compromise a little bit but then the rest of the guys so healthy You know hopefully. It doesn't have a negative impact on the sneaking. Howley crazy would be what you were alluding to about. Like if you have like a certain amount of like detections in your body that like you sign up for a thing that's sends all your information. Do it like a third party company. Any wake up the next morning and there's Amazon delivery with like some vitamin D three. Because you're like. Hey this corona shit starting to go around you get. You need this. Because you're showing symptoms of X Y and Z is pretty crazy. 'cause I don't think we're that far off from that especially after everything that's going on right now. Yeah and then it would be a matter of like what would be useful. You know what would be helpful and then that would you know people people might have strongly opinionated about that but if it's just up to the individual to be accepting of it and say yeah you know. I I have noticed. My sleep has been off I can use that magnesium zinc and maybe that'll help I think that that's To Kinda monetize those things further. I think that's massive and I and I wouldn't doubt that something probably does that already. Almost nothing comes to mind for me but there has to be something. The thing I think about those Like let's say that something like that does come out which probably is not too far off. A what if I guess suggestions aren't idea like what if they're like what are they like? Not SAINT CARBS are bad. You know but what are they like? You need a uptick. Your carbohydrates can do this this and this which would some sometimes maybe an opposite type of you know. Put you in the in a different place. So I I think if it's like mild stop flight there's a there's products out there called adapted. Jin's and adapt agenda can assist with like Lowering Cortisol Sake lower stress Let's say or ring or something like that recognizes that you are more stress. Your heartbeat is irregular. Maybe it could say hey you know you could try this and it's just. I mean these are in my opinion. They're just they're pretty mild in the pretty pretty mild things that you can try but again you could be right like what if someone had allergic reaction to it. Or what if that thing because some people are? They're allergic to random. Shit you know. But these things are pretty mild and like magnesium before bed or sink before bad. I mean the worst. Some of those things are probably GonNa do as they might. They might mess up your stomach a little bit. They might give you Maps and Mike loose stool or something like that but that would probably be the only thing that would happen in something like that house he trip to the bigger your back right. Obviously Yeah Super Training Gym Right now. It was it was awesome. I love going there. It was It was great when out for a bunch of walks. There's really not a lot of people there. Some kind of older folks but everyone keeps her distance from each other and Yeah it was. It was It was good. It was there with my wife and my kids and we brought one of my daughters friends and my daughter and her friend were. It was twelve thirty last night. I got up to use the bathroom and I just see these like flashlights outside the house. And I'm like what the Hell's going on out there and say got side and I'm like what are you guys doing like we're GonNa go to the beach. I was like Can't go to the beach. You know you gotTA gotTa get back inside. It's like in the middle of the night so anyway my daughter was like why am I gonNa? I'm trying to explain this. I need to go back to sleep. You know yes. She came back inside the house. But you know she's so we're going to end up with some resistance here in there. I guess that's funny because obviously like I don't I don't have a kid but you just think something like that is so obvious right like it's twelve you're twelve. You're not going to the beach with your friend on how many like dateline showed. How many shows you have to see if like missing kids or whatever where it's like she was gonna Stroll with her friend. And then last anybody's ever seen over you know. I'm like no you know. Yeah good catch it. I know I was like hey man. I guess it's good that I wake up seventeen times. You know all right man. Thank you guys for taking the call and will try to set something up for in another day or two sounds. Good sounds good. Alright WANNA take us on out of here. Andrew Ja Jason Posting on and he was talking about how following low carb. Diet really really helped them out Oh yeah everyone was getting across. Shot the whole whole show crotch dot though So anyways a really easy way to dive into the low carb lifestyle is with perfect. Kito so shutouts. Perfect for sponsoring this episode. If you WANNA check it out head over to perfect dot com slash power project at checkout enter Promo Code Power Project for twenty five dollars off any order of ninety nine dollars or more in you get free shipping on that order if he has all the podcasts at Mark Bells Power Project MB power project on twitter ticked oxygen going nuts lately. So thank you. Everybody has been Hanging out there my instagram at Andruzzi if I was insieme e AF where would I be instagram youtube? Balancing the Union on to talk on twitter mark. Speaking of shots did. I did a Crotch Cam of my squat yesterday. I didn't know that the ten minutes could be so confusing. Remain really yeah. People are really confused by. It's like what do you mean squat for ten minutes Scott for ten minutes or sit at the bottom of Scott and then like do you move around you. Just sit there. And they're like do you go. Do you lean forward onto your knees more like a catcher or you sit back into it more. I was like I don't know man. Just fucking get down there and just try to stay down there as long as you can and then a bunch of people wrote in there like I can't believe how hard that shit was. A lot of people found it to be pretty challenging. So I've been staying on it. It's been feeling good and Like I have about eight or nine days but now about nine days of it. 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Episode 17-The Train It Right Life  Two Types Of People

The Train It Right Life

23:49 min | 5 months ago

Episode 17-The Train It Right Life Two Types Of People

"I didn't want to bodybuilding champion I one of the best bodybuilder of All Times The down and ask yourself who do you want to be? The Watts but who? I'm talking about figuring out yourselves. What makes you happy? You have to think outside the box. Believe of all, what is the point of? I didn't want bodybuilding champion. I wanted to be the best bodybuild all times. Dig Deep Down. And Ask yourself who do you want to be? Hey. Guys. Welcome back to the train bright life podcast. It's a leash. Abell. Your podcasts specialist. Definitely, not a specialist. Now, my name's Lucia Bell if you're tuning into this podcast for the first time. Hi Hello Welcome. My name is Lee Chevelle AK train. It writes I am an IFP figure pro online coach, Athlete Manager Social Media Manager Administrator, doer of all things slight booker person of tasks researcher, research do all things. the late one this week. Honestly, this week has been absolutely nuts I've been doing a lot of work and at night when I get home I have client updates and truth be told this podcast unfortunately does not make me any money. So it's kind of that and youtube kind of on the back burners for me just because I do them because I love it not because it's a source of income for me. So thank you guys. To those of you who reached out and wondering when's the next gasoline and the next podcast will here you go. I'm sorry for being a little delayed I, need to sit down on buckled on a great day agree time that works ideally for me to sit down and do this podcast and be consistent with it. But as long as I got the episodes up for you each week, I'm very happy with that right now. So without further ADO. Let's get into the podcast. I just gave Sammy about Sammy's my French bulldog who has epilepsy but he needed a bath. Donnas also need a bath, but he's a little bit more difficult to bathe Adana so I need to. Prepare for that but it Sammy, is now clean So if you hear him in the background like starting and stuff, it's literally because you don't have dogs that are and they want to rule and like everything once they. Get Clean. So that's kind of where we're at right now with that and. Yuck. Coming on the podcast today to talk to you about sorry, I'm camp bookings plates shows. Okay. But I'm back to today's PODCAST have not planned out. I'm literally speaking from my mind I want to go over some of things that have happened this week that I'm grateful for I'm grateful for You know my work and the people that I get to help every day and I just love being busy at something that have always loved and I just love working with all my athletes for HD muscle plug. If you WANNA buy some HD muscle supplement's best in the game coach trainer right? Very grateful to be sponsored by Proton on the best tanning business in the game plug, any protein products, train, right? Self Tanners, buffers, whatever you need. And also very, very blessed to be part of the shoe ferry family. Again, he'll in the game if you're looking for some glam shoes and. Anything Shoe. Related for stage not stage. Coach trainer. Right. But working with companies that you absolutely believe in love is completely different than being a solo and working for companies that you. Are just getting a paycheck from or just giving you free product. It's definitely. I feel better about posting. It's genuine. It's authentic and It's not fake. I'm being one hundred percent real and Sammy's. Out Silkscreen. Oh something. Great about clean dogs. But yeah, I mean I feel good inside my heart when I tell my clients, what I take or the food that I eat and the things that I do because it's one hundred percent exactly what I do what I believe in what I trust, what I know like and trust and to be able to give that knowledge show other people and my experience with these companies and not just trying to promote a code to get a commission book promoting because I literally use them every day at literally believe in them, they make my life my everything better. It's great on not saying that my life is perfect or that things are going well on all fronts. You guys know that is never ever ever the case we all have things that we go through but I was talking with a one of our athletes today Shinishi came in for photo shoe and I was just talking to her about where I am now versus where I was last year and guys I love being the most ripped person shredded person in the room, and this year definitely has been a struggle. I think I've talked about this before not being that person that doesn't mean that I'm not who I am and that doesn't mean that. You know I don't have bad body image days and it's not hard. You know it is. It is because it is hard for me sometimes to see myself the way look versus what I enjoy looking like right but my body definitely needed to break honestly Kobe was a blessing in disguise because I didn't suffer from. Show foam photos like the shows right now like honestly I don't feel that bad that I missing like I missed the my shreds. Yes but these shows. There's something about them. That just doesn't seem. At home for me, I'm at home on the stage, but I'm at home on the stage when things are like a real show none of these mask wearing super separated. No. livestream. Shows. Yes, I do this port for me and Blah Blah Blah, but like I want to showcase my talent, my abilities like Antoine did a show that he won an even then some of those stage were Takefuji's his coach Mike Coach during couldn't be there. Watching, from the stage like his friends couldn't be there like. It's not what I want I want people to be at my show in cheering me on and being the audience and I don't want it to be weird and I wanted to be a full show. I don't want it to be just a few people that have made it through the pen democ being able to go to the gym and that were able to prep I. wanted to be fair advantage where everybody's gym is open, everybody can train and everybody can travel travel restrictions right now is just so difficult for people in it's like I'm trying to book these flights for door and my boss and is just Doesn't seem like the real world still like as much as things are quote unquote open like the world is not and it's like. Okay I said to Dorian. Day having a freak out about how I look and he's like, China understand. He's so rational like God bless his soul and this is why coaches need coaches completely different athlete than I am a coach sometimes because I too have those moments where I'm just like I hate how he looked oriented I want to have more cardio. I want less carbs things like I'm trying to understand that there's no shows. But. It's also a matter of like I want to be comfortable in my own skin. I. Like myself a certain way. There's all sorts of factors you know what I mean, but he's very rational and I'm just very grateful for this year and this year has changed me Kovic has changed me but I think it's changed me for the better. It made me sit. Back reflect and focus on the companies that I work for and work with, and that sponsor me it gave me time to create this podcast. So I can share more affect more people and it really gave me time to reflect that I'm at a better place. Now than when I was rushing prep for my debut when I was going through stressful relationship I don't have any. Quote Unquote, men, problems, guys Oh. My God. Don't even get me started but. Theoretically I'm single I have been single for two years. Dating in China's sucks something that might be a whole pug gas but honestly like when I look at it like my mind a mentally I'm in a much better calmer place. On Edge. When it comes to certain things, I've learned to be patient. I've learned organizational skills Haven't learned to clean yet I. Don't think I ever. Will I suck at cleaning I try I wanted people that like I sweep still dirty a vacuum it's still dirty. A scrub is still dirty clean the mirror it's still dirty like I don't know how professional maids cleaners do it like props to everybody who works in house cleaning 'cause y'all that she hard that is harder than the gym for me I don't know. God going to Jim Cardio for three hours. I got this cleaning the house. I try I suck at it. Not My strong fronts but. What I'm getting at is that it's kind of Nice to reflect. So I challenge you guys to reflect and think about like how has Cova changed your mind set your thought process are you living negatively or are you seeing the glass half empty full? Like how are you looking at things because when you change your mindset, you do change your life i. Know this podcast tends to be health and fitness supposedly but I feel like it's a lot of mindset and a lot of things like that I'm Kinda here for it all that's why I called it the train it right life. It's kind of a little bit of everything about my life. What kind of what sparked me into discussing this topic is because I was working with somebody on something and. You know when someone sends you something of you that you haven't seen. And you come back instead of saying like Oh. Thank you. Oh, that's amazing or own. So happy or what page of my on is out whatever whatever they come back with something negatively they chose the worst picture that that's the first thing you're going to say like. Hold Up. Why are people? Missing Missing the fact that. People are going out of through. Wade help you people are going out of their way to make you better bring you up, move you along progress you get you known. Create income for you and when they show you something the first thing you have to say is negative. So I sent similar thing to another athlete. and. His response was silence for a good five minutes and then he wrote back, it doesn't feel. Like he so grateful. And he's happy. And he's proud and he shocked that he's in this thing. Yet the other athletes looking at it negatively first of all entitled almost and then. Second of all, like not even grateful like not even anything positive was his reply was native. So which athletes do you WanNa be which person do you want to be who wants to be around that person that's always negative. Always dragging you down never has anything positive to say is not thankful whereas you get the other athlete. WHO's super thankful. Grateful. You know saying that they are appreciative and like it doesn't feel real like they're excited they don't care what can picture. Like. Come on. Why is our society? Why are people so entitled why? Do. People. Just, expect things. Without working for them, work hard to achieve them and if you fail you fail you fail forward. You feel for because you fail because it gets you ready for that next step for when you do succeed I lost shows. And in when everything sure I was policing like top to. Winning my class most shows I one but I lost the overall and I won the raw would have mattered but. In sometimes you have to have those losses because in those losses, it made me the athlete who I am and it made me worth that much harder to become the athlete that I was at that time and to achieve my pro card because of my losses. If I would have just casually walked up on the stage in one every time do you think I would have worked as hard as I did to get to the physique had no I wouldn't still be working if I that hard. If I hadn't failed, I wouldn't still be working to this day if I hadn't fucking have my ass handed to me and my pro debut guys but I'm thankful. I'm thinking that you go to my youtube right now you watch my show video. You can tell that I'm crying after my my pro debut and I'm not crying. Honestly because of the placing. Yeah. The policing suck berm crying because like I did that. It was something that I waited my whole life for a waiting for that moment, it was something that I desired and I did it and I got to do it and I was happy I was proud and I did it by myself. And I didn't I my coach but I didn't have my ex he didn't. He didn't take credit for anything like I did that I did that by myself and I was. Pretty, much holding back the tears and the interview if you watch the video at the end. But I was grateful. US. Thankful. Thankful for my coach. I was thankful for my friends. I was thankful for everybody. You know it was just it was. It was crazy what I had always wanted. But to have somebody. Not even saying thank you. Like, I'm looking at the message rate now and it's literally one sentence. And it says. The used. The worst picks. That's it. No. Other response. Cool Bro that's That's nice. Good for you. Work. But Yeah It's okay. You know what? That's life. It's okay. Not, everybody is going to be. On the same level as you. Not. Everybody is gonNA mentally be there. As you are. You know you gotTa Accept People for who they are. And one thing that I have learned during college is that. If somebody. Is Exhibiting behaviors. It's it's them. It's not you and you can't take it personal like I'm not taking this person's personal this person's. Response. Anything personal that this going on. It's something that's inside of them they're young maybe they need to go through it but I wish more people would realize that it's important It's important to have that. different outlook in thankful and. Just. You know. Just. Be Thankful that people are working for you. You know. I don't know. Okay Guys. What are we? It is the Monday or Friday. But. Yeah So I guess, that's kind of like the first part of the podcast. Now. Okay. anyways. Sorry work it's he is hard for me to sit down for like the full hour and like be away from like work because there's so much going on but it's okay. I'm glad you guys except the podcast for what it is and that it's on the fly. So anyways. Next topic for this podcast is stop looking for shortcuts, drives me nuts when clients are looking for shortcuts I see this all the time. People say that they want something get they try everything to avoid the actual hard work to get there. Now I'm talking die I'm talking train I'm talking to everything there is no shortcut guys you can't shortcut your diet, you can't. Create some extravagant meal and like you can't diet. Away? Anything having achieving will not come easily end. There's no shortcut to get there I hate to tell you that. The hard work is the shortcut. The hard work is the shortcut. Hello. The hard work is the shortcut. It's a direct line, the hard work direct line to the goal. Take that time spent complaining making excuses trying everything to avoid the actual hard work. Put that effort into just taking small steps towards your. Each day progresses and living is it's not linear. Okay. So if you get derailed if you like cheat on your diet or something happened, you get right back on the bus you don't fall off of the fucking bus and stay off the bus get back on and continue on to your distribution. Okay. He'll get there much faster. Than trying your shortcut. It never gets easier. You just get better at training your mind to keep going and you gotta keep doing like that's how you're gonNA get better. You'll appreciate the view from the top much more when you had a bus. Your ass to get there on the climb. Paulie a lot of people that. Okay. Instead of trying to find a shortcut to get there saying. You know I'm not going to do this. Not going to do that. That's unhealthy. That's whatever if you're prepping like I'm sorry but prepping is not healthy lifestyle. Yes. Prep no point in prep. After four weeks is not healthy at all. Not Healthy at all, and I'm just so sick and tired of people looking for these shortcuts guys like it's not. At all. But all. The right way to go about things. Please remember that there is no shortcut. SCHORK. It's just crazy and also on top of that I wanted like chime in and add in. that. You can't. You CAN'T You cannot. Hear me people what did I say? I said, you can't. You can't. You can not. For one second talk to yourself negatively. I'm guilty of this. You're guilty of this, right? But I've said this to my clients before and I'll say to you guys that there's no point in saying something to yourself that you wouldn't say to your best friend don't put yourself down. It's Terrible You need to remember. Who the hell you are and why you're doing things. Okay. So Say You're not losing weight for a week or two. It's not a Plateau K.. It nothing visible progress for a week or two is in a plateau not gaining strength for a week or two isn't a plateau it's actually part of the process stopped trying to fix. It stopped trying to complain just shut up and be patient and keep going. Okay. The mindset is everything when you say I'm not good at tracking food or I suck at meal prep or I can never lose weight. I'm so inconsistent Think of it. This way labels are examples of fixed mindset. That's a fixed mindset you're stuck in the negative self-talk path. And it becomes self fulfilling prophecy. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy your thoughts control your destiny. So if you think that's going to be your destiny. So you need to change change your mindset I mean. Like I said, it'd be early in the podcast you change your mindset, you change your life and I need people to see that like if you see a fluctuations on the scale, like stop letting them get to you guys it's Normal Stress Hormones hydration Diet inflammation exercise can all affect your weight from one day to the other? So what if it goes up? Volume. Yes or no K. Once you measuring every ounce of your food every Graham. Are you being intense in your car you doing your training at one, hundred, ten percent intensity. If you say, yes, all those shirk continue with your day. Who cares if you're going up if you say no, then check in with yourself give yourself a reality check and you need to start collecting perfect days you need start putting in more afraid needed stop suck it up. Because there's no shortcut. What did I just say there is no shortcut. So. What if your weight fluctuates? Honestly be honest with yourself you owe that your goals don't blame anybody else because everything that happens to you as a decision you decide you decide what you're going to do you decide if you fall off track you decide. Everything is your decision. So with that said, I'm going to wrap up this hot mess expressive a podcast I wanNA. Thank you guys all for listening I, appreciate, and love everyone of you guys Thank you for supporting the podcast I know it's not like a big podcast. It's not crazy but I do enjoy. Giving you guys content telling you what's on my mind and if I can help somebody out a little bit and change their life for the better that's all I want if you're interested in coaching, you demand instagram you can email me can reach out to me through my contact on my website. Instagram YouTube twitter facebook everything pinterest everything is trainer right at train it right. If you WANNA visit my website, it's www dot China dot com if you Wanna learn more about me. Shoot me some suggestions for ideas were podcast timing some reviews. Please, please please leave the up podcast stars leave it reviews. Let me know how you like it. If you're listening on Apple Itunes, favorite it as a podcast if you're listening to it on spotify anything by now it should be on Amazon music. The only thing I'm not sure if it's on his Google play because that was a whole, it'd be said I couldn't figure out what to do on the back of my website to get it on there but. Have a great weekend guys. Thank you for listening to my podcast and I'll check you guys next week. I didn't WanNa just bodybuilding champion I wanted to be the best bodybuild all times. Victims Down and ask yourself who do you want to be. The what. But who? I'm talking about figuring out. What makes you happy? You have to think outside the box that's believe I've know what is the point of being on this girl? All you wanted to do is be like everyone in avoid trouble. Still. News viable, but everything as. Was Not the law of. Course. I did not finish the modeling career I wanted to get into acting. I saw.

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