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Truth vs Hollywood
"Welcome to truth versus Hollywood I'm David, Chen and A. Truth versus Hollywood is look at films that are based on a true story, but we don't just talk about the film. We also talk about that true story. On this podcast will touch on what really happened. How that differs from the film and why and we're not just talking, heads will hear about the true story through interviews from experts, witnesses and people who were involved in it. It's both the real facts and the real facts are l. fix. What do you think that Joanna I loved it today Ridge? Today! We're talking about Martin. Scorsese's classic film Goodfellas Goodfellas is based on the book Wiseguy. Nicholas Pathology which, in turn is based on life of Mobster Henry Hill Hill was actually alive when the film came out and was very pleased with his film based on him, and as we'll talk about later, it definitely had an effect on his life. Pathology worked with Scorsese to write the screenplay and the film was. was a complete. It nominated for six Academy Awards and won one Joe Pesci for supporting actor. It's considered one of the best gangster movies of all times. If I put it on their list of one hundred years, one hundred movies and the Library of Congress decided that it was culturally important and added it to its preservation archives all right well. Let's get to the movie itself. It stars Ray Liotta. Hill Robert Deniro as Jimmy, the Gent Conway, who's based on Jimmy the Gent? Burke Joe Pesci as Tommy devito based on Tommy desimone Paul Sorvino Paul cicero based on Paul Vario and Lorraine Bracco as Henry's wife Karen Hill. Many real life figures at this movie was based off of an apparently Henry Hill ended up getting paid five hundred eighty thousand dollars because of the use of historian, this movie, which is a lot of money to pay to a mobster who has done very horrible things you know in watching this movie again. John Robinson one of the things that. I kind of realized you know or reflected on is the fact that we've been lost you decades seen so many movies about bad men, doing bad things, and that this movie kind of one of the prototypical examples of how they can be glorified an elevated in this. Movie makes that lifestyle look really glamorous while at the same time depicting some of the negative consequence lifestyle, but at the same time it does rubbed me the wrong way that like the people who are involved often are rewarded. We also saw this Martin. Scorsese's Will Wall Street as well. Similar dynamic, there so I'm kind of curious like as you're reflecting on your overall experience of watching the movie, and now that we know little bit more about what happened with the real life characters, and we're GONNA. Talk about it during the courses podcast like. How did it strike you that? This is based off of Real Person I. Think Scar says he couldn't have picked a better release. Go subject to to glum onto here than Henry Hill because though he is gangster and he's fully involved in this gangster life, he is a the likability of this character, which is really what's Cortesi was going for I've seen interviews. We talked about the nineteen thirty two scarface, which was the first time he ever saw. Gangsters depicted as really likable. When you Henry Hill. And he does terrible things, but he's a gangster who is a little squeamish. We see this the film and it's corroborated by true story of his life. He was violent crimes, but he wasn't a a mass murderer and You know the the charisma of him. I think is really important. He wasn't one of the most vicious people in this story. And so I think you're making good point that like. If you're GONNA choose an entry way into this world. Henry Hill is probably the ideal candidate in this case so. Well, the film opens with three men driving in a car, having a seemingly normal evening. It's then revealed that there is a captive in the trunk and than shortly after him, we mmediately get Henry's voiceover with the iconic line as far back as I can remember I always wanted to be a gangster. It's one of the most. Openings and Awesome History Joanna Robinson after nearly three decades. How effective did you find this opening? Well, it's funny. I did not see I was eight years old when fellows came out, or maybe nine so I did not see it in theaters and I didn't see it until later in life and but by then it already seats into the culture because it was so iconic. You know there's. Maniacs good feathers, pigeon parody, and like all sorts of stuff, so I'm going to wear of the beats of it, even though the first exposure to goodfellas was. Is what you're saying. Thousand percent absolutely. But you know so by the time I had seen it. I had also seen so many things that had imitated it, and this is true of like so many of our great films like by the time you get around to watching it. Maybe you seen a bunch of people. Knock it off and so you're like well. How groundbreaking? Is this
Apple and Paramount to make a deal for Martin Scorseses next movie
"I'm Kim Masters and this is the Hollywood breakdown joining me as Melanie and Matt. The streaming wars as you know as many people who are listeners know are underway. Hbo Max Coming out onto the field of play this week. A lot of people finding it a little including me a little tricky to figure out how to get that even though as a spectrum customer I should be able to access it but it doesn't show up on my TV. Because I have Roku so it's some people can't find it. Some people like it but we are seeing apple seeming to up its game with some big high profile deals. They are spending money. It's a little reminiscent in some ways of the Netflix strategy. Where we seen them angling for high profile expensive awards movies awards prestige movies apple is now throwing. Its hat into that ring. You know backed by the might the economic might that wealth of Apple. Yeah and this is a big project. Martin Scorsese Film. Sources are saying it's between one seventy five two hundred million dollars depending on who you believe probably will go much higher than that given scores as he's track record. It's got Leonardo DiCaprio. It's called killers of the flower moon. And this is a really really interesting play for Apple. Because you saw Netflix's get a lot of attention for the Irishman last year. Whether it was good or bad you can debate that. But it got them into the Oscar conversation in a meaningful way. They didn't walk away with best picture but they were in the game and apple will likely be in the awards game when this movie eventually comes out. What's interesting here? Is the deal structure. You've done some reporting on that because it was originally paramount. Paramount got cold feet and it ended up at apple after a bidding war. After you know it was shopped around town and this is essentially. What I think is going to happen with a lot of movies. Going forward where they get developed at the studios than the price inches up inches up inches up studios where once upon a time they might have taken a risk on a big movie from a big director are now going to get cold. Feet and income streamers just clarify something about that. Paramount is not out of this game. Scorsese has his deal there and they did release them to shop this around but they own the property the underlying novel and this is a very dark period piece set in Oklahoma in the nineteen twenties. Leo DiCaprio originally was supposed to play a good guy. Paramount was really interested in that version. Then he changed it so that he was playing a kind of a villain character and I am told that paramount felt this is now a less commercial movie with the same budget which point they did say go ahead and shop at around and there was a really long pause and apple did step up but it is still a question of a deal with paramount because it is expected that paramount will at least get some sort of a percentage at pop probably released the film in theaters. Which is what. Scorsese did not get with the Irishman with net flicks so having explained all that. Let me say I would pay money? Actually to see tensor Endo's at Netflix's sit down and explain to me. The cost benefit analysis of having spent which I think was certainly over two hundred billion dollars on the Irishman. Yes they got nominated no they. Didn't you know we? They have all the data. How many people sat through it. Did anybody subscribed because of it. It's a black box for people like us but this is this is something that apple is now saying. We're in it. We're in it in a way that will make Scorsese happy with theatrical release and ironically make paramount happy because paramount will have its name on this movie and we'll probably get a good chunk of some kind of a piece of whatever box office it generates win it can get made because we're all stuck now waiting for protocols and an insurance policies to make filming possible so we will see. I will note. This isn't the only movie they bought. They bought Tom. Hanks's movie Greyhound from Sony for supposedly around seventy million. That movie was done studios will sell as you suggest Matt with movies. That you to bring in cash right now I would say many cases. It is not a great vote of confidence. When you see these deals made in the movie itself but it will be high profile. It is Tom Hanks and for Apple. They obviously decided it was worth
Martin Scorsese And Leonard DiCaprio's Next Movie Is Going To Streaming
"Apple is going to have a new movie directed by Martin Scorsese starring Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert deniro these are big names yeah the name of the film killers of the flower moon okay yeah so it's apple's biggest a foray into the film industry all of the streaming services are just hammering the theaters and the big movie companies now they are they're going after the big stars the big directors good screenplays yeah can you imagine the checks they had to cut to get those three and they can cut on apple there's a lot of air masses yeah like in one day they make
Apple To Team With Paramount On Scorsese-DiCaprio-De Niro Drama 'Killers Of The Flower Moon'
"Of an Irishman sized GATT for Apple. Tv PLUS DEADLINE. Says it's heard that apple has won the bidding war killers of the flower moon. The film adaptation of the book set to be directed by Martin. Scorsese starring Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert Deniro according to deadline the deal which calls for Apple. The finance and become creative studio gives the movie a hybrid situation and the best of both worlds. The film will get a wide theatrical release through paramount before it becomes the biggest film title so far on Apple's streaming service the actual release I dig the optimism.
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The Best Movie Soundtrack Songs Of 2019 | Movies
"I have a very special show today later. In this podcast I have an interview with Robbie Robertson one of the founding members of the band a significant figure in movie history as well. Who HAS COLLABORATED WITH? Martin Scorsese over the years. He has a new documentary that he participated in the basically tells the story of his life and the work of the band called. Once were brothers so I hope you'll stick around for that and inspired by that conversation. I had to invite on Ringer Staff Writer Rob Villa. Who is one of the funniest and smartest people I know about music? I Rob She's we'll thank you. It's an honor to be here of course alot rob you write about music and movies at the ringer as well and quite deftly and I think the use of music in movies has always been frankly an obsession of mine and I suspect that you are also a sophisticated thinker about this idea. Is that fair to say? Sophisticated is a strong word. But let's go with your role with your a guy who has a functioning brain that watches movies with music in them. Is that fair to say Aisha's? Amd during sonic the HEDGEHOG. That's the way I would describe my relationship with music and movies me I was that guy I feel like there's a lot we know there's a there's a conscientiousness about choosing songs in movies now because we grew up watching scorsese movies and then the movies of all the people who watched. Martin Scorsese movies and start making movies of their own and so the use of the pop song. We're not talking about score here. We're talking about pop music appearing in films you know what is your. What is your sense of? Who Does it well and sort of what goes into making a good choice for something that's really obvious or really obscure. I think the obviousness I see a lot more in prestige. Tv generally like that's the plate. Like any use of radiohead. Almost across the board. Like I I like a lot of Westworld but just the way that Westworld is uses those pop songs you know the old style piano version of pop songs. It's just you're just sort of leaching off that songs energy like the the cash that it already has and you're just sort of stealing and implanting it into your TV show or your movie like it's there's a difference between stealing a song soul and like taking a song and building a new universe around it like sort of recreating it in re-energizing it it's a it's a great point. I'll never forget the moment I watched the pilot of Ozark. Which is the last the last episode of ours. Ozark that I've ever watched and at the end of it Decks dark by radiohead began playing and I was like. Oh this is that JOE now. I mean no disrespect to say Chris Ryan. Who's a huge fan of that series but actually that choice indicated to me what the creators of the show thought they were doing and it wasn't for me you know it just didn't Didn't click with what despite liking radiohead and Jason Bateman and. I knew that there was a pretentiousness that I was not going to connect with their What do you think makes for a good song choice in a movie? I think it has to be at least a little unexpected. It has to re- contextual. Is it a little bit like I? There are instances where obviousness is what you need and I think there are a few of those and my list here but I I think. In general you need some element of surprise some just more gratuitous are just more surprising way of using it than what you would expect. Do you think it's important to saying something about character or the scene itself or because one of the things that that Robertson said when he and I talked which I thought was interesting was the he really likes the contrast he moments. That's the moment when you take a very sweet song. Said it against a very violent moment or you take a very sweet moment and give it something more braces and that's obviously a hallmark of a lot of the people that are best known for choosing songs and movies you know. Think of Quentin Tarantino or fincher. Scorsese are all these people that I talk about endlessly on this show. Do you think that the that music can play such a profound role in telling a story in that way? I think so. I mean you can go too far in that the phenomenon of every movie trailer now using like a really slow down creepy version of a pop song like you think. Fight THE FI. The fifty shades of grey beyond say series. You know like I suicide squad. I think did that. You know you can go too far in that direction and and just use it entirely as irony like. Here's a really sweet song to contrast with an ugly thing. But Yeah I mean. That's that's sort of an overused tropes at this point at the time in the heyday in the early reign of those people those directors like. Yeah that was a really effective use of contrast. So we're here to do a top five list. You'RE GONNA share your five favorite needle drops in movies and I'M GONNA share my five favorite needle drops. Now I don't know your picks and you don't know my picks you almost ruined this podcast by accidentally sharing those picks and I would like you. I'm I apologize profusely and I apologize for my choices. I think this is going to be yelling at me in the next twenty minutes. That's my concern. You know what my concern is is just being too basic right. There are some things that are sort of undeniably signature moments in movies and music especially in the last twenty to twenty five years when when I think this phenomenon has really picked up. Steam and my choices are not songs that were written for movies. They are entirely songs that had previously existed before the film came along. Is that true for you too? I think in all but one case my number five. That's not true but I think that's an important thing that you have to have a prior. Ideally you have a prior relationship with that song that the movie changes. That's what makes a really good moment for me. Not all of them but that's the platonic ideal. I absolutely love that. I probably have one song that that is out runs an opposition to that idea. But that's a great
“Parasite” has won the best picture Oscar, becoming the first foreign-language film to take home the biggest honor in film
"It's a movie if you have seen in fewer can understand without subtitles that is but at the end of the night the joy of victory really needed no translation I'm speechless parasite comes the first non English language film to win the Best Picture award and the ninety two year history of the Oscars bong ju holes class based satire gets four wards on the night he wins also for Best Director best international Film and best screenplay he thanked fellow nominees like Martin Scorsese and Quentin Tarantino and said he would like to cut his onscreen to pieces to share with them I'm also wells Gabriel
Oscars 2020 Preview
"HI everybody. It's Peter Travers. Here here with this special edition of Popcorn which we're calling the Oscar popcorn because this weekend on February ninth exactly everybody will be watching. Being the Oscar telecast on ABC and probably having their own little ballot. Like I have here trying to figure out who's going to win this damn thing and if the person I don't like winds pushed I put my money on. That's what really happens. That's what people ask me on the street. So I'm GonNa take you through these main categories and and we'll see what will win what should win and we can argue. You can find me somewhere and we can argue about it. But I'm going to start with with best supporting actress. Because that's how the Academy Awards those that's always the first award that we say Kathy Bates in Richard Jewel. Laura dern in marriage in story Scarlett Johansson in Joe Rabbit Florence Pew in Little Women and Margot Robbie in bombshell so look. There's it's a lot of good people here and I have to say right at the outset. That Scarlett Johansson is one of those rare actors that has a nomination as best actress. Chris and best supporting actress marriage story for Best Actress in here supporting which usually gets you to win one and that usually that it's usually that one but it's it's not going to happen you know I'm sitting here saying did I read wrong. What happened to Jennifer Lopez and hustlers? Hasn't she been in this game since the release Lisa Hustler she has and yet the academy you bad people have decided that J.. Lo just wasn't Oscar material while you're wrong but look we we have to deal with rats here and I'm going to say that the person who will win in this category is also the person who should win. And that is Laura Burn and Laura dern in marriage story plays a divorce lawyer and she's a tough one and let's think of all the Hollywood people that are voting for this award and how every single one of them I'll wager. A BET has their own divorce lawyer and has been through this process. Maybe more than once. Maybe two we're three times to do it. And they find Laura Dern Dunn's in this movie something spectacular it's also one of the few awards. I think that marriage story story is going to win. But Laura Dern has never won an Oscar. This will be her first time. Everyone loves her. We all love and big little lies and I think this is her time on so let her have it all right. I'm moving onto best supporting actor. Tom Hanks in a beautiful day in the neighborhood. Anthony Hopkins in the two popes Al Al Pacino in the Irishman Joe Pesci in the Irishman and Brad Pitt in once upon a time in Hollywood. Look you're talking to a big Irishman fan here so if it was me saying come up for the gold it would be Joe. Patchy I know Joe Pesci doesn't do any publicity. He basically sticks fix to himself. He's probably tough guy in real life as the gangster that he plays in the Irishman but that performance is amazing and won won his first Oscar for another score says he movie goodfellas where he was the most scary gangster. You can see here. He's kind of quiet dawn. So if I'm I'm giving them it would be Joe Patchy but the academy is giving this award and no one. No one can win. This except Brad Pitt. These other people here Tom Hanks Anthony Hopkins Al Pacino and Peci all have won Oscars so they already have the gold. Do you realize his full career. Brad Brad Pitt has never won an academy award game over people. This is it Brad. You're going to get in once upon a time in Hollywood playing a stuntman. It man playing somebody who's been around the business. I think it's irresistible for Hollywood to say I'm going to reject one of my own. Plus he was great in the movie. You seem to hear my voice that I have a little bit of a problem. Yeah I do. Because that's not a supporting performance at all that his part is the equal who of his Co Star Leonardo DiCaprio's WHO's nominated for best actor. So why is he in that category. I think they want to win. And Brad you might as well prepare repair your speech right now okay. I am now moving onto best actress. Cynthia Haribo in Harriet Scarlett Johansson in marriage story. Sir Sharon in little women. Charlie's Sharon in bombshell and Renee Zellweger in Judy. What Best S. actress award so far from the Golden Globes to the critics choice awards has it Renee Zellweger one? She's won all of them. So is there any possibility ability here for something else. I mean. Look what Charlie. Stern did in bombshell. She not only plays Megan Kelly. The makeup geniuses have made her look exactly exactly like her and Charlie's has talked exactly like are they love bio pics there so she should be really strong. Social Ronin is like twenty five years old. She's he's on her fourth Oscar nomination. This is incredible and Scarlett Johansson. Like I said nominated for best. Supporting actress and Best Actress. Cynthia revolt is playing Harry Tubman and she also wrote the song from the movie which is nominated. That happened to somebody last year. Didn't it yes it was lady. Eating Gaga Lady Gaga was nominated for writing that wonderful song from stars born and his best actress. But what did you win. She won best song and that was it so I have to say that again. I would give this award person late to search for Ronin just because I think to be that young and to be that consistently brilliant is amazing and her performance in little women. Is that good. But it's Rene as I talk about. How Hollywood would love bio-pics this is? Judy Garland that she's playing judy. This is one of their own. Did they ever give. Judy Garland her own Oscar Competitive Competitive Acting Oscar. Never and I think for that reason not only will renee Zellweger win best actress but she will win for Oscar. Judy Garland on never had. It's their way of saying Judy. We love you. We were so stupid not to give it to you. And we're going to give it to Rene in honor of you. This is how Hollywood works. It's really crazy. But if you're betting on this you have to bet crazy. Aright best actor Antonio Banderas in pain and gory. Leonardo di Caprio in once upon a time in Hollywood Adam driver in marriage story what came Phoenix and joker and Jonathan Pryce in the two popes. I look at this category and before I get into. Who Will Win and who should win? I've I've got to say academy what you have against Comedians. And what do you have against Eddie Murphy. That he's not nominated for Dole. Might as my name what you have against Adam Sandler who proved his dramatic chops in uncut gems. Like nobody can believe and yet they have it they only like to give Oscars to actors serious actors who played comic roles. Ause they hate anybody who's making a living as a comic to actually win this war so this year's been going along I've had this feeling that this was Adam drivers to lose that performance in marriage story is one of the best things he's ever done or that I've seen this year and yet there's this other guy and who's that other guy he's Joaquin Phoenix plane joker. Sometimes there's that kind of performance sometimes. There's there's one that just so dominates the screen. That is such an act of immersion of from an actor in a raw. Yeah Joaquin was scary. He was sometimes funny. He was always touching even though he's playing somebody who's totally out of his mind and a lot of this movie his in his mind. What Cain has been nominated several times before and never one Joaquin? This is yours. I can't believe any set of circumstances. Stances if you WANNA bet the whole house on something and somebody to win it's going to be Joaquin Phoenix as best actor for joker game over all right. We're ready now to move on. I'm going to best director now. This is one of the most exciting categories because these people will these particular men and save and because Hollywood as wont of decided that even though there were more women directing movies than ever before four last year. They couldn't find any to nominate which is of course absurd because Greta Gerwig directed little women which is nominated as best picture and they. I thought no I'm just GONNA do five men like we always do what happened. You people sort of learned a couple of years ago when you nominated Greta. GERWIG quick for Ladybird didn't give it to her. But you nominated her. The KADEMI is ninety two years old. Now how many women has given an academy award for directing one. And that's Kathryn Bigelow for hurt locker. Ninety two years one award hang your head in shame name anyway not knocking any of these men that did get nominated. But there's one in there that I would sacrifice for Greta Gerwig but you you try to guess who that is anyway. Here they are. Martin Scorsese the Irishman Todd Phillips. For Joker Sam Mendes for nine thousand nine hundred Seventeen Quentin Tarantino eighteen. O for once upon a time in Hollywood and Bung June hope for parasite every one of these guys you can make a case for. Martin Scorsese Z.. To me is a master the grandmaster who only has one Oscar for directing and then the Irishman is doing some of his best work. Ever Quentin Tarantino. Not No with once upon a time in Hollywood is also a peak form and yet I'm saying this category is going to between two other the directors one of them being the South Korean Vong June Hall for parasite a Foreign Language Film. That seems to have got everybody excited about what's possible and then Sam Mendes for nine hundred seventeen a world war one movie that is constructed to look like it was done in in one continuous. Take how do you resist that. You don't even though I think they would really like to give their best director award worked. Bon John. How it's going to be for Sam Mendes for creating a war movie like no war movie we've ever seen before so sam I think think it's yours but if you're getting out there and you WanNa go to Bung Jun Ho? You know you might do it because there's always a surprise in these contests we can't go. Oh by what the odds are we have to go by sometimes the academy saying I have an instinct for this. I have a feeling this is the right way to go all right last category. Are we ready best picture of the year Ford versus Ferrari the Irishman Joe. Joe Rabbit Joker her little women marriage story nineteen seventeen once upon a time in Hollywood and parasite here is is the one you know every year I do this. It's between one or two movies this year. I can't reduce anything to to the Irishman my estimation a classic one for the ages. Martin Scorsese. Ed Is Best Robert De Niro Pacino. Joe Patchy making a mob movie about old-age age about the end of a mobster. This is the punishment that they get for the lives they live. There's nobody in their lives there alone. It's a tragedy Quentin went and Tarintino. Once upon a time in Hollywood is writing about Hollywood in the sixties and about a time that he thought was the last creative burst of Hollywood Hollywood and doing that. Nineteen seventeen again the World War One movie shot to make it look like. It's one continue steak and parasite a movie about a Korean Rian family in which they exploited the people they work for and then are exploited by the people working for them it is a classic. These are four incredible classics. So what am I gonNA do. What am I going to tell you? What's out there that you have to say? This is the winner and I'm going to go with with all excuses. No excuses in fact to my love for the Irishman. But I think this is the year of Quentin Tarantino. I I think once upon a time in Hollywood being a love letter to Hollywood and being voted on by people who live and work in Hollywood Quentin Tarantino despite right brilliant work with pulp fiction inglorious bastards reservoir dogs Django unchained has never won a Best Picture Oscar or a best director Oscar. Never it's never happened. What better time than now? When he saying Hollywood I love you? I think it's time Hollywood to say to Quentin Tarantino. I love you back back. So you've got it watch the show and afterwards we'll have a discussion.
'Parasite' winning best picture would make movies richer
"So the nine best picture nominees are of Ford. Vive Ferrari affordably. Ferrari is Christian Bale and Matt Damon in the story of Ford trying to build a car to beat Ferrari in the lemond race The Irishman when is the Martin Scorsese Film. which is on Netflix? That you might have heard. It's three hours long. Gioja Rabbit is TYCO I. T's story about a World War Two to that is the one with the where he plays a an imaginary Hitler. If you've heard a joker of course Joaquin Phoenix as the comic book character. Sort of little women which is little women you know Little Women Louisa May alcott and book adapted by Greta. GERWIG marriage story which is Noah Baumbach. Big divorce film with Adam driver and also Scarlett Johansson nineteen seventeen which is about two young men in World War One cent. On a very dangerous mission started by Sam Mendez once upon a time in Hollywood Hollywood. Is Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio in Quentin Tarantino's story about the Hollywood of the very late nineteen sixties and parasite which is Bongino Jin. Ho's Really Fascinating story about two families who come together in a very unexpected way Glenn Gimme a quick will win. Should win on best picture. I'd be happiest with parasite movie that just gets better and better. The more you think about it I'd be okay with little women or once upon a time like movies I'd be a little disappointed if it was Ford versus Ferrari for reasons you can hear more about in the full episode and if it is the joker I'll scream into a pillow Because I kinda hated that movie the oddsmakers have nineteen seventeen winning which is surprising to me. Because I like that movie but the best picture of the year really. It's Oscars sensitive from war movie and it's kind of a traditional Hollywood movie in some ways but then at the same time. It has the kind of showy element of having the you know. Made to look like one shot. I I will just go next and say I would pick parasite and you know. I'm going to stick with will win parasite because the last time. I had a tingling feeling that it was going to being upset. It was moonlight backed off at the last minute. So did the telecom. I robbed myself of an opportunity to look smarter than I am. So I'm going to say will win. Parasites should win parasite. I'm okay with nineteen seventeen. I think there is some lovely filmmaking there. I admire fire the accomplishment of it Bob. What do you think will win and should win? I think one thousand nine hundred will win because it's just everything seems to be driving that way it didn't start out that way. What's interesting sting is at the front runners? Initially were supposed to be Once upon a time in Hollywood and the two from from net flicks Irish marriage. I'm sorry Mayor Story and those have kind of disappeared from the conversation. I think it's safe to say none of those have a real strong shot anymore. I would love to see parasite win. Yeah Stephen Anything. I'm in somewhat of the same boat. I would be thrilled of parasite one I would be thrilled if a little women one. I love that movie so so much. I went on record in our resolutions and predictions show. I predicted addicted. That once upon a time in Hollywood was going to win best picture. It seemed like everything was coming together for The Oscars love movies about the magic of movie. Making it is is a movie about old Hollywood. You know who else is old Hollywood. Everyone who votes for the and so I felt so much like and also Quentin Tarantino. Not No he is an Oscars favourite but he typically get's nudged over two screenplay and then doesn't win best picture best director so I really felt like he had an enormous amount of momentum going going in but I agree that nine hundred seventeen seems to have kind of swooped in and picked it up and I. I really liked that movie a lot. I admire that movie a lot. I would be perfectly content content and satisfied to have it win best picture but this time next year it will take me thirty to forty five seconds to remember what won best picture unless it's parasite unless it's it's parasites will be talking about it for decades. Well I think I wrote about this a little bit if you subscribe to our newsletter which is at NPR dot org slash pop culture newsletter. I wrote about this last week but I do think there's a chance that will be parasite partly because the opening up of the best picture category. which originally was talked about as a way to bring? In kind of popular blockbusters that are also of quality. Got A lot of talk about the dark knight and things like that but it's actually done is bring in more smaller films and foreign right language films so eventually it's GonNa Happen. That one of them is GonNa win. Might as well be this one. I think it might be this year. I think people just like that movie. Yeah and the fact that the US preferential voting for this cat this particular story. COMP look it's way too complicated to get into here but basically what it means is if people liked parasite recite for example enough to what it number one number two or number three. It's got a better than average chance or second. Choices have a have a better than average less polarizing films. Do you better than the ones that everybody likes. Even if it's not their favorite
Our Alternative Academy Awards The Oscars Show
"Guys. Welcome to a very special conversation. Nations show about the Academy Awards but not just any Academy Awards are Academy Awards. were changing things up in the big picture this week. We've invited wisely from the New York Times we think for being here. Thanks for having me. Three Person Person Academy that makes us the Grammy Selection Committee. Hopefully less fraught less racist racist sexist and complete Taylor swift at Ed. Sheeran her part of my mom and I want the academy to tell the truth about who it is fun. Fact Taylor swift and Ed Sheeran had movie moments in the last twelve months. If you recall cheering yesterday Taylor Swift. Of course Miss Americana could forget. we're not going to be nominated for you said Miss Americana Either GonNa cats. That was yeah. That's very generous of you sir. I've locked that out we. We're not talking about that on this. PODCAST CAST now. We got the part right. Okay guys so every year the Oscars come around get very angry because they don't represent all the movies that we want to to be celebrated this year I would say it's been an unusually positive Oscar year in terms of nominations. However we got stuck in this conversation about why are there no female directors in the best director category? Why are there so few actors of color? Why are there so few uncut gems nominations are there so many things here we may? They disagree with that. We will discuss. I'm I'm your evolving. I'm evolving exactly the way to put it all evolving. Wesleyan a minute can you guys. Just give me coming some big picture feelings about where the Oscar nominating process is before we dig into our own awards well Without going into the Math Jeff on how the nomination determined at least in the best picture category whatever they did to make them less foreign needs to change because in addition just like I just wrote a piece for the paper Abou a complicated problem I have with. This year's show is the first time more. I'm I feel like the homogeneity among the best picture nominees just superficially is Kinda monotonous to me. What do you mean but up I mean basically what I mean. Is that lake. There are nine move. Eight movies about white people And like the the white experience yes there is a wide experience. PODCAST is often expanding on and in one from Korea or South Korea. And I I like all of these movies except for one and a half of them and so so. The thing that I am annoyed about is that there isn't it is not as though there's one movie that didn't get nominated that should have that also featured Richard people who are not white so my problem is more of an industry. Problem in the Oscars of course is a symptom of this larger thing. And so I'm Kinda just. I went back just to do some math on on on. How many movies among the nominees for best picture since they expanded ten were set the present and usually I mean the thing? That's thrilling about the best picture. Nominees every year is that you do get some really interesting story that gets told about the movie industry but also just the movies and something about this collection of movies as a collection as a class of films kind of bores me and but again like I like most of the nominees and so I don't know it's a weird place but they they have to change them. I think the man is part of this like even I don't like Hustler's that much but you this. This group of movies needs it. Needs it needs needs like a blindside. It needs a district District nine yeah. It needs a district night but you think that so. That's I think it's math don't you because don't what's the one film that would have resolved some of that feeling. Is that the farewell. Like what is it. I don't even see that's the weird thing also. I don't even care care what it was because I don't like any of the alternative. This is weird year for for the solution to this problem. There isn't one. There's no main waves. Waves would be a movie that would that would be more interesting but every year since they expanded ten has had just more interesting stuff. It I have a theory and it's not about math and I think your point about math is good and also your point that this is these are eight movies about white people is also important. uh-huh any everything we're about to say is not going to change that but I do just and it's not GonNa Change the industry and it's not GonNa Change. WHO GETS to make movies? Unfortunately but I do wonder if some of it is also like our expectations and our relationship to the nominees because we're used to being dissatisfied and we're used to findings something that to be mad about and since they've gotten to ten and especially in the last couple of years years. There are more movies that I'm excited about that are nominated for best picture. And even this year I would say they're five movies like jazzed about same same here and I'm not used to that and so I do think and and we're part of doing this podcast and talking about the Oscars is arguing talking about what was snubbed. And what the economy isn't representing. and I wonder if some of the boringness is just kind of. I don't know where to put all of that energy for what interesting that I hear that that particular aspect of this year's race though I think is an anomaly. I think there's two reasons for at one. We we just happen to get a couple of films from a couple of people who kind of always make big noisy special films. Martin Scorsese Quentin Tarantino. We got a couple of movies marriage story and the Irishman that probably would not have been financed by any other studio that got a lot more money than they would have gotten and so those movies got pushed up to the top. You know I know you guys probably not huge joker Fans but that's a highly unusual kind of movie to have been made in the way that it was position. Marketed the success that had had and also the parasite thing is. There's just no literally literally no precedent for a movie like this getting this much awareness appreciation potentialities to win The the fact that this is impossible right now is was utterly unpredictable. Even even in September I ran so I think accounting for this year in particular as a bellwether of any kind and is a little bit difficult long term. But the point that you're making one hundred percent right which is that you know. There's a certain kind of movie that still is always going to get made in Hollywood and there's a certain kind the movie that it's still really hard to get made that's movies by women's moving movies by filmmakers of color starring people of color about different kinds of experiences in the world. So that's not going to change. I think some of what we're we're GONNA do here accounts for that. I think some of the categories that were creating accounts for that. Yes I think. In general though the public perception of the Oscars is it's a little bit. Stodgy it's a little bit boring self-satisfied but also it doesn't really understand what's fun about movies no well that's part of I mean to the degree agree that there is a selection committee. It's People's self consciousness about their with. They want their tastes to be. Yes yeah and that to me is part of what I'm sensing about this group. The best picture nominees though I feel like I do feel like despite the fact that I actually could not subtract one of these movies or there's a ten slot at the tenth movie like what I mean. You could additive movie proud interesting lake. Ed Lee said in the president and at least about the thing that is seemingly the problem by gathering these movies together race Which member of the knives out family is each? That's a good game that somewhere. Oh I like that. We don't have to answer that right now but just trying to think of the Google anyway I but I but I also think that part of the problem. I think some of the things that I'm feeling is this. I mean I don't know it seems like a revenge against the way things seem to be going. Otherwise yes but you can't prove that a and I mean I'm arguing against my own myself right now but it's unprovable. It's just a feeling that I have a feels like every time they do these blind surveys of these academy members. There's always somebody who's like well. I don't think we have a diversity problem. I just think the movies that Star Wall you know other people uh-huh aren't as good as the ones right or even just that was nice. But it's not an Oscar film which covers all manner of sentence and that shows up in. Everyone knows that there is an Oscar film which there's been an Oscar film since like nineteen thirty nine like that's part of the problem. Yeah I don't know when it got so not. How did you no one team seventeen despite how much I love? It smells ker movie. It is twenty when I was fifteen. I did not think that was pejorative. In fact I thought that that was was meaning really really meaningful. My perception of it is changed or self conscious about it. That's an parasite actually wins. I'm going to feel really freaked out. Because does that mean that I'm basic because is the movie that I want to win also won the Academy Award. I just called aging. Yeah well I don't know I don't feel the way by moonlight. Yeah now more so feels like the exception and to me even though I mean in a weird way. Here's a good test of this of this question. The departed. I always think about the idea that departed is a best picture winner. You know what I mean. I think if the departed was directed by Guy Ritchie though it would have had no chance at the Oscars yes of course. The Scorsese. Only the Scorsese UNISOM did that but just looking at it. As a movie rate lake. That was the best picture of what was it. Two thousand six six. I just it just kind of. It's a funny thing. It's a funny thing that wasn't i. I wasn't the best movie of that year. Obviously are not obvious. It's funny that you bring that up. We actually just talked talked about that. Exact movie a couple of days ago show in that movie yeah. It's a totally fun and slightly. You need us. Yes Oh sure. Yeah what what other the way. I don't know actually actually. Actually what's going on with Matt Damon in that movie. Congratulations him okay. So if we were going to change James the telecast a little bit What what there was talk of this last year? About modifying the telecast. But I don't want to modify the telecast per se but I think that there's some categories that maybe we don't needed some categories and maybe we do need okay. I'm personally I just don't believe that. The shorts need to be in the Academy Awards No one watches them their unseen by the by the public at large. Are You mad at that. You want the short sustain gas. I do why I don't know but the idea. We will not a part of the rest of the conversation but is that really how it works. I mean I'm but you're talking to the wrong person and a win aware like I actually wish they had brought. I want to see the best bluegrass album winter. I WANNA see best. Okay I WANNA see best. Best Ja- best traditional jazz album. I WanNa see that person person win. You're in dangerous territory women. I personally would like there to be a nine hours. Oscar ceremony right. Amanda wants to get through this fairly quickly vision show. You're saying it's its own not work of art. But it's least its own entity that needs to have a start and a finish on a structure and momentum and energy we can't just like trot got out every single movie clip that Sean is like for the past seventy years and then let's talk about this cinematography. I'm and this one's like to the telestrator up with the old Oscar broadcast that were nobody really. There was no Internet for people to run to and complain. I mean it just ended when it ended and it was full of supporting clips. I mean for a lot of America. They didn't know who Pauline Collins was. They wanted to see like surely Valentine. What does that clip? This is good so you get a clip Pauline Collins Acting Shirley. Valentine know what you get is a weirdly spliced moment of an actor doing the most over the top contacts list part of a movie you have. If you don't know where Iran Iran remember. What Julia Roberts Best Actress Clip West Pretty woman? It was her singing kiss in the Jacuzzi.
Oscar Nominations 2020: The Complete List
"The twenty twenty Oscar nominations are out this year it's all about Todd Phillips is joker which leads the pack with eleven nods including Best Actor for walking Phoenix in fact the sing real movie is on track to match the records of Titanic the lord of the rings the return of the king and Ben Hur by winning eleven total awards as expected from Mars also include Martin Scorsese Irishman Sam Mendes's World War one epic nineteen seventeen and Quentin Tarantino star studded once upon a time in Hollywood are right behind joker with ten nods each side became the first ever south Korean film to be nominated for Best Picture getting six nods along with Joe Joe rabbit little women and a marriage story of course there are a lot of snobs first and foremost women were totally snubbed in the best direct the category for the second year in a row despite great movies like little women and the farewell coming out last year Jennifer Lopez in get a nod for best supporting actress in hustlers even after scoring Screen Actors Guild critics choice and golden globe nominees and Adam Sandler was almost unrecognizable in this type of role on jams and fans are rooting for him to get his first Oscar nomination thanks to the road but he's not on the list
"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on Fresh Air
"Support for NPR comes from whyy presenting the podcast. Eleanor amplified and adventure. Series kids love here reporter under eleanor. Atwood crafty villains and solve mysteries as she travels the globe to get the big story available. Where you get podcasts or at whyy dot org? Hi It's Terry Gross inviting you to check out our new online archive collecting forty years of fresh air interviews and reviews you can hear my interviews is with people like David Bowie aretha Franklin Johnny Cash. John Updike Tony Morrison searched for names. You're interested in make a playlist for yourself or friends at fresh fresh air. Archive Dot Org. That's fresh air archive dot org. My guest Peggy. Ornstein is the author of the new book boys and sex young men on on hookups love porn consent and navigating the new masculinity. It's a follow up to her book. Girls and sex. She's been chronicling. Girls Lives for about twenty five years including her earlier. Books schoolgirls don't call me. Princess and Cinderella ate my daughter. She never expected to be writing about boys. His but after the metoo movement and revelations of widespread sexual misconduct including the now infamous list famous men. She thought it was time to engage young. A young men and conversations about gender and intimacy her book boys and sacks is based on extensive interviews with over one hundred college and college bound boys h sixteen to twenty two heads up to parents of young children. Like the book title. SAYS WE'RE GONNA be talking about teenagers and sex. But there's nothing explicit Peggy Ornstein. Welcome back to fresh air. Was it harder for you to talk about sex with boys than it was to talk about sex with girls or my. My biggest fear with boys actually was that They wouldn't talk at all you know. They don't teenage boys. Don't exactly have a reputation for chatting us and I was surprised and maybe the biggest prize for me and during the project was how eager they were to talk and while I thought it would be maybe awkward or or that. They wouldn't want to talk to a woman That proved not to be true at all. And they were Super candid they were super blunt. they talked a a lot about what boys don't usually talk about Feelings and I think the reason was that we just don't give boys this permission or space to discuss their interior lives and talk about what's going on with them so when they had the chance when somebody really gave it to them and Wasn't going to be judgmental about what they had to say. They went for it sooner. You write that. Feminism has given girls and escape from the constraints conventional femininity but for boys the traditional concept of manhood still hold sway. I want you to explain the difference that you found between girls and boys choice in trying to escape from the constraints of gender roles and gender preconceptions. Yeah I mean with boys. His on one hand. They saw girls as equals and deserving of their place on the playing field and in class and in leadership and they had female friends so that had really changed but I would ask them all the time to just give me a kind of lightning round of the ideal guy and when we would do that it was like they were channeling. Nineteen fifty five and it was still all about stoicism. Sexual Conquest Dominance aggression or this weird combination of being both aggressive and chill ATHLETICISM wealth. It was really narrow narrow and they would talk a lot particularly about that piece of suppressing feelings and a lot of guys Would say to me that they had learn how to build a wall inside them to block off any feelings except maybe happiness and anger and they would talk about training themselves not to feel feel or training themselves not to cry That was actually a really big one and it took me a while and again. I think this was being a woman to recognize what they were saying to me when they would tell me how you know about time they had cried or times. They almost cried like how big that was for them. And how hard that was for them so if it was humiliating. Yeah and that's a really good point because I think a lot of what the boys were wrestling with breath or or struggling with It was about humiliation but it was also about really about vulnerability and the kind of imperative creative that they not make themselves vulnerable whether it was in A hookup or whether it was with other guys one guy talked to me about how he liked to partner with girls roles in school projects because It was okay to say. You didn't know what you were doing with a girl and you couldn't do that with the guy. But that idea of emotional vulnerability ability was so profound for boys and we know that vulnerability is basically essential to human relationships. So when you cut boys off from the ability to be vulnerable You're doing them a huge disservice. And I started thinking you know when I was doing the girl book that the kind of core issue with girls was that they were being cut off from their bodies and not understanding their bodies response in their knees in their limits and their desires and with boys. It felt like they were being cut off from their hearts and that was having a huge impact on how they conducted personal personal relationships and what was available to them in personal relationships for boys. We talk with you about that. Where did they think that in ability to cry Brian without humiliation or the inability to access or express feelings? Where did they think it came from pop culture? The word that were brought up on your parents terrence. I mean all of that right I mean. Certainly the media barrages them with that idea of male sexual entitlement and Female female sexual availability and submission but yeah their DADS I mean. They talked a lot about their DADS or the the male role model in their lives. And it wasn't just guys who said said. Yeah my dad told me to man up or don't be a little bitch or something like that. It was also a lot of guys who would say things like you know. My Dad was a a loving charismatic guy. I didn't learn sexism or homophobia from him but I did learn that stunted side of masculinity because he was sort of a science walkaway kind of guy. The person who'd talked about something so I learned not to have those conversations from him. So you talk with boys who understood. Feminism awesome who you know Kinda got it intellectually but didn't necessarily behave that way. There were frayed to object. If they saw other boys behaving in a very sexist way or you know trying to be too aggressive with the woman at a party afraid to alienate nate male friends. who were like speaking and our mattress way about girls are behaving badly so Can you explain that That disconnect between having certain beliefs but not being able to act on them sometimes that pressure to silence was so intense for boys. I always think about this one guy who was telling me That when he was a sophomore in high school he tried to stand up when he was on crew team to senior. who was saying something Despicable about girls and the other guys mocked him and he had done this with a friend and next time it happened. The friend stood up but the boy I was talking talking to stay silent and he said to me the more I watched my friend. Stand up to this the more I saw other guys not like him as much and he looked at me and he said you know. I don't WanNa have to choose between my dignity and being part of this team. But but how do I make it so I don't have to choose. And that was a real central undramatic. Is that part of what makes you. A man is bragging about sexual conquest. And that whole idea of you know Locker Room Banter which we now know is the thing so when guys are together The way they're supposed to talk about sex you know they. They pound the Hammer. They Nail They Smash Bang. It's like they just visited a construction site. It's not like they engaged in an act of intimacy and that could be really troubling to a lot of guys but the cost on you know you can become a target. Get if you stand up to that you can be marginalized if you stand up to that. So there's a lot of pressure to stay silent if you're not going to engage in and that that silence in itself is kind of boys become men at the risk of stating the obvious. If you're using the kind of assault of language.
"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on Fresh Air
"From whyy in Philadelphia. I'm terry gross with fresh air weekend. Today Martin Scorsese his film. The Irishman is nominated for ten Oscars. I it stars Robert Deniro truck driver in World War Two veteran who becomes a hit man for the mob. There are similarities to Scorsese's previous gangster films. But now that he's in his late seventies he's thinking more about what happens to men like this when they grow old. It's not even a simple as saying well now I look back. Can I realized gangsters Abed. I know their bed. The point is it has to do with Canada person. Change and KANTER person be redeemed. Also Peggy Ornstein tax talks about her new book boys and sex young men on hookups love porn consent and navigating the new masculinity and Kevin Whitehead reviews recently recently resurfaced nineteen sixty two live recording of saxophonist Eddie lockjaw Davis and Johnny.
The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations
"I'm Shawn Fantasy and and this is the big picture. A conversation show about the Academy Awards. They're here. Amanda the Ninety Second Oscar. Nominations have arrived. How are you feeling bright and early on this Monday morning he I do love it? I don't I don't love being here this early. I was saying to you before before we started recording and it just felt like a disclosure before we get into this podcast. My outlook at this hour of the morning is never the best. WE'RE ARE GONNA be flying fast and loose. That's what happens when you record it seven thirty in the morning. We're going to do our best to not make any mistakes. Some mistakes were made by the academy however will be talking about some of them the snubs the surprises houses. Some of the Nice things that happened with the nominations this morning. It's it'll be a robust conversation about what will be happening on February ninth the Academy Awards. Yeah there are some good do things absolutely absolutely some baffling things. Where do you WANNA start? We start with the big picture. Big Picture let's do it okay. Problem in the big picture do you. Yeah I mean maybe we'll start with the most honored movies that seems like the safest place to start first and foremost first and foremost the joker comes to us with eleven nominations now. Were you surprised now. I wasn't either. Let me tell you something about joker people in the academy love. I love that movie actors. They love it directors. We learned clearly. They love it craftspeople. They love it. Composers there in up and down the board and you've only got one acting nomination for this for walking Phoenix. So you can see how it's it's diversely. Spread across the entire voting body any significant takeaways from joker being the leading vote getter so to speak in this in this race. I didn't expect it to be the leading nomination. I think I expected that to go in nineteen seventeen which is a little bit recency bias and also just because I expected nineteen seventeen to grab every single technical nomination because that's it is Zayd technically accomplished movie so joker winning denominations thing is not what you want it is. It certainly changes the narrative. Maybe I mean it'll change what we talk about this morning. I don't know how much it changes the results on the on Oscar night. It's interesting. How as you prepared to speak about joker you pulled your hair back to a pony tail resignedly? I people know what I think about best and I want to stay right here and right now. It ain't going to change. I think that this is an intellectually bankrupt movie. I think it is the emperor's new clothes. I think that anyone and who thinks that this movie is better than parasite or once upon a time in Hollywood or little women are uncut gems has bad taste and doesn't know things about movies straight up and we can do that for for five weeks or we cannot. I'm at I don't really have the energy to do it for that long. Yeah I don't think that that's I don't think we'll be negotiating that until the movie potentially wins Best Picture which you know not always as the most nominated film the likely best picture winner but sometimes it does happen. Tends to happen with noisy movies. Like Lord of the Rings the return it at King Joker ochre is kind of a noisy movie. This is a billion dollar movie and having this many nominations having this kind of box office having this kind of awareness and having this kind of admiration from from the screen actors is. That's a pretty significant thing. So if we saw a joke best picture win on February ninth. I wouldn't be shocked. I don't know if that's what I'm ready ready to predict at this point but I wouldn't be shocked. I neither and in a lot of ways. It makes a huge amount of sense in terms of the academy has refused to WHO ACKNOWLEDGE COMIC book movies or Superhero Movies for years the academy has been trying to update itself to chew reward new types of movies too like to be current to be younger and that the end of the day the score says he caused play. Look it's tiny. Batman man movie winning Best Picture would be academy esque thing to do. It's true and it would be one year after Black Panther which sort of ushered in a lot of these conversations. What else has been honored here once upon a time in Hollywood and parasite the Irishman? You've mentioned those ten nominations for each movie. I don't think a huge surprise there for once upon a time in the Irish Ryan parasite is excuse me once upon a time in the Irishman ten as nineteen seventeen. Let's just talk about those first four gets parasite and I think that is. This is kind of standard operating procedure seizure. What we've got here is three people who made films who have been hugely recognized in the past Quentin Tarantino? Martin Scorsese Mendis as you said the reasons he buys of nineteen seventeen creeping innocent all weekend thinking nineteen seventeen the presumptive frontrunner for best picture. I don't know if I still feel that way right now. A couple of little chinks in the armor that will take a look at identify whether or not that's still the case any big time takeaways from the ten NAM's for all three of those movies are taking things for granted I am. I know that I'm taking granted. It's fantastic once upon a time in Hollywood got ten nominations. It's fantastic. They got ten movies. Nineteen seventeen very impressive movie. We're GONNA talk more about it later this week. It is less surprising that got ten nominations. You know I I saw someone on twitter describing this as a real like wars and cars years which every year at the academy is that you know the nineteen seventeen is the war part of that but very well made movie I it. So that's good. We shouldn't immediately jumped to all of the griping even though I certainly have and the reason I did that is because Joe got eleven nominations and I really don't WanNa talk about it this early in the morning but there are a great films that are being recognized there are among them is also parasite and little women both of which pulled in six nominations. Yes which is interesting. I am not surprised by either of those things but it is. It is a credible accomplishment. And I think a Lotta people on any kind of film. Twitter sense are frustrated by some of the joker recognition ignition but parasite getting six Oscar. Nominations is insane it is. There is no precedent in ninety one consecutive Oscar categories or excuse me ninety one consecutive Oscars for something like this happening so I take some solace in parasites success. So far I live is my favorite film of the year or was it. Yeah I think I put it at number one very early. It's definitely up there and put it on my decade. Let's no this is an amazing film and like and Bongino hoping direct nominated for best director. That's very exciting. And you are completely right that it was it has become such a quote lock or we we we were so sure of it that we are not like Kinda rejoicing especially in the parasite of it. All little women is the same way. There are a a couple notable omissions in the little women. Nominations that maybe put a sleigh damper on it which we will talk more about but you know it did get nominated for best picture. Sure thank the Lord. I thought that was the one where I was. Just GonNa not show up this morning.
The Snubs and Surprises of the 92nd Academy Award Nominations
"I'm Shawn Fantasy and and this is the big picture. A conversation show about the Academy Awards. They're here. Amanda the Ninety Second Oscar. Nominations have arrived. How are you feeling bright and early on this Monday morning he I do love it? I don't I don't love being here this early. I was saying to you before before we started recording and it just felt like a disclosure before we get into this podcast. My outlook at this hour of the morning is never the best. WE'RE ARE GONNA be flying fast and loose. That's what happens when you record it seven thirty in the morning. We're going to do our best to not make any mistakes. Some mistakes were made by the academy however will be talking about some of them the snubs the surprises houses. Some of the Nice things that happened with the nominations this morning. It's it'll be a robust conversation about what will be happening on February ninth the Academy Awards. Yeah there are some good do things absolutely absolutely some baffling things. Where do you WANNA start? We start with the big picture. Big Picture let's do it okay. Problem in the big picture do you. Yeah I mean maybe we'll start with the most honored movies that seems like the safest place to start first and foremost first and foremost the joker comes to us with eleven nominations now. Were you surprised now. I wasn't either. Let me tell you something about joker people in the academy love. I love that movie actors. They love it directors. We learned clearly. They love it craftspeople. They love it. Composers there in up and down the board and you've only got one acting nomination for this for walking Phoenix. So you can see how it's it's diversely. Spread across the entire voting body any significant takeaways from joker being the leading vote getter so to speak in this in this race. I didn't expect it to be the leading nomination. I think I expected that to go in nineteen seventeen which is a little bit recency bias and also just because I expected nineteen seventeen to grab every single technical nomination because that's it is Zayd technically accomplished movie so joker winning denominations thing is not what you want it is. It certainly changes the narrative. Maybe I mean it'll change what we talk about this morning. I don't know how much it changes the results on the on Oscar night. It's interesting. How as you prepared to speak about joker you pulled your hair back to a pony tail resignedly? I people know what I think about best and I want to stay right here and right now. It ain't going to change. I think that this is an intellectually bankrupt movie. I think it is the emperor's new clothes. I think that anyone and who thinks that this movie is better than parasite or once upon a time in Hollywood or little women are uncut gems has bad taste and doesn't know things about movies straight up and we can do that for for five weeks or we cannot. I'm at I don't really have the energy to do it for that long. Yeah I don't think that that's I don't think we'll be negotiating that until the movie potentially wins Best Picture which you know not always as the most nominated film the likely best picture winner but sometimes it does happen. Tends to happen with noisy movies. Like Lord of the Rings the return it at King Joker ochre is kind of a noisy movie. This is a billion dollar movie and having this many nominations having this kind of box office having this kind of awareness and having this kind of admiration from from the screen actors is. That's a pretty significant thing. So if we saw a joke best picture win on February ninth. I wouldn't be shocked. I don't know if that's what I'm ready ready to predict at this point but I wouldn't be shocked. I neither and in a lot of ways. It makes a huge amount of sense in terms of the academy has refused to WHO ACKNOWLEDGE COMIC book movies or Superhero Movies for years the academy has been trying to update itself to chew reward new types of movies too like to be current to be younger and that the end of the day the score says he caused play. Look it's tiny. Batman man movie winning Best Picture would be academy esque thing to do. It's true and it would be one year after Black Panther which sort of ushered in a lot of these conversations. What else has been honored here once upon a time in Hollywood and parasite the Irishman? You've mentioned those ten nominations for each movie. I don't think a huge surprise there for once upon a time in the Irish Ryan parasite is excuse me once upon a time in the Irishman ten as nineteen seventeen. Let's just talk about those first four gets parasite and I think that is. This is kind of standard operating procedure seizure. What we've got here is three people who made films who have been hugely recognized in the past Quentin Tarantino? Martin Scorsese Mendis as you said the reasons he buys of nineteen seventeen creeping innocent all weekend thinking nineteen seventeen the presumptive frontrunner for best picture. I don't know if I still feel that way right now. A couple of little chinks in the armor that will take a look at identify whether or not that's still the case any big time takeaways from the ten NAM's for all three of those movies are taking things for granted I am. I know that I'm taking granted. It's fantastic once upon a time in Hollywood got ten nominations. It's fantastic. They got ten movies. Nineteen seventeen very impressive movie. We're GONNA talk more about it later this week. It is less surprising that got ten nominations. You know I I saw someone on twitter describing this as a real like wars and cars years which every year at the academy is that you know the nineteen seventeen is the war part of that but very well made movie I it. So that's good. We shouldn't immediately jumped to all of the griping even though I certainly have and the reason I did that is because Joe got eleven nominations and I really don't WanNa talk about it this early in the morning but there are a great films that are being recognized there are among them is also parasite and little women both of which pulled in six nominations. Yes which is interesting. I am not surprised by either of those things but it is. It is a credible accomplishment. And I think a Lotta people on any kind of film. Twitter sense are frustrated by some of the joker recognition ignition but parasite getting six Oscar. Nominations is insane it is. There is no precedent in ninety one consecutive Oscar categories or excuse me ninety one consecutive Oscars for something like this happening so I take some solace in parasites success. So far I live is my favorite film of the year or was it. Yeah I think I put it at number one very early. It's definitely up there and put it on my decade. Let's no this is an amazing film and like and Bongino hoping direct nominated for best director. That's very exciting. And you are completely right that it was it has become such a quote lock or we we we were so sure of it that we are not like Kinda rejoicing especially in the parasite of it. All little women is the same way. There are a a couple notable omissions in the little women. Nominations that maybe put a sleigh damper on it which we will talk more about but you know it did get nominated for best picture. Sure thank the Lord. I thought that was the one where I was. Just GonNa not show up this morning. Yes so there's something interesting about the parasite. Nominations to be one is that the film was recognized in both best editing and best production design. which are you know? Chris categories and on the one hand that's kind of impressive and shows a broad sense of support amongst the academy. No acting nominations for the movie though. Oh No song-ho none of the other actors in the film were recognized. There's a maybe a case to be made that this is a kind of acknowledgement of like a film mastery mastery but maybe not the same kind of Hollywood is star mastery. That movie like the Irishman or once upon a time in Hollywood receives. I'm not sure where I fall on that. I think it does feel like progress to me to some extent the little women thing you make a fair point which is that on the one hand brilliantly made movie with wonderful performances. It's great that it's nominated for best picture as well. The absence of Greta Gerwig In the best director category something. We'll talk about a little bit more here on kind of what that means. It's kind of dangerous to draw mega conclusions from the Academy Awards. There's only eight thousand people in this group and a lot of them are old and weird so you can't we don't this is even though. This is the sort of the definitive document of movie history story in terms of achievement. It is one of the wonkfest award recognizing bodies in the in the world Academy President David Rubin noted that what makes makes this special is that this is the people who make movies voting on. What is the best movies? And that's part of what makes the ostrich great that's part of what makes them kind of terrible is because there's an insularity into some of this. The parasite recognition is something that makes me think. Maybe this isn't such an insular body anymore. Maybe there are a lot of international voters. Maybe this is changing changing. Maybe the the way that we look at international movies changing in our American culture. I think that's certainly true. And I and I do think that the economy trying to change itself and how we talked about the movies has evolved enough that we were starting in a place where we expected parasite to be nominated expected. Little women to be nominated we were talking about whether uncut cut gems would make an end and the fact that. We're all kind of bummed out about the fact that uncut gems got snubbed. which it your? Maybe you're not supposed to use the word snob in that context. But let's use it always it got snuck. Uncut gems was snubbed and that I think that that in does indicate some some progress wrestle. Change some different lineup than we would have had five years ago and a different approach to the movies on the flip side we can. We can only only addressed the world that we live in. And I do feel because we've been having these conversations for awhile and because it was such an exciting year in a year that has parasite parasite the Irishman once upon a time in Hollywood uncut gems. Little women the farewell. What am I forgetting? I mean all kinds of movie. Sure but you know all vendors and games okay shirt KAZAM. Great Active Pika Chew. Well that was this does I can't help but feel that. This is a disappointing configuration of of that list of movies. It's not totally disappointing. But there is something of. We got our hopes up enough. They are kind of like. Oh yeah this is still the academy. And they're still going to be a lots of nominations for the more traditional types of movies
Oscars 2020: snubs, surprises and snippets you may have missed
"Some more of those Oscar nominations to pass along to you they started dancing this a little while ago on Hollywood and now we have the names for Best Director the nominations Martin Scorsese the Irishman Todd Phillips for the joker Sam Mendes for directing nineteen seventeen Quentin Tarantino once upon a time in Hollywood and mon jun hole for parasite those Best Director nomination as Best Actress Cynthia hero for Harriet Scarlett Johannson marriage story saris ronin little women no I'm not pronouncing that right that's why dean Richards will be here after eight Charlize Theron for bomb shell Renee Zellweger for Judy and the Best Actor in a emanations Antonio Banderas pain glory then I read the Capreol for his role of once upon a time in Hollywood Adam driver for marriage story Joaquin Phoenix the joker and Jonathan Pryce the two
2020 Golden Globes: Winners and Losers
"This is the big picture a conversation show about the seventy seven. Th annual golden in global wards. Amanda here we are once more. We think we know what we're talking about. Enter these things with great confidence even knowing that the Golden Globe boards are famous famously. wonky messy goofy silly stupid and they have shocked us once more. Nineteen eighteen seventeen has won best drama. which I don't think either one of US predicted we in fact you did not pick that I think we thought all four of the other contenders had a good story story? I I do want to say you and I washed together and you. I believe pitched picked joker on our podcast Dixie Irishman. And at one point you shared with me that your wife was going with marriage story and and we watched a two popes commercial and I was like well it could be two popes and you said you. We've now talked about the possibility party of four of the five winners which means it'll probably be nineteen seventeen now. Look you and I are very lucky to have these jobs. We are but I do not claim to know anything like. I'm just going to put this on the table here. I don't I don't know anything. I know people who knows stuff but I don't know anything and this is an example of having any confidence about doing any of this stuff. I thought a lot of Adam. Sandler's character from uncut gems. When that moment happening where I was like this is what must be like to be an awful gambler? I think I went like four for fourteen tonight. Some brutal number. I think you and I are luckily tied at four hundred fourteen. I just WanNa remind you that I very confidently set on the podcast. I I think I got four wrong. That's true and I thought that would have been impressive. It's only get four rowing and four wrong would have been absolutely extraordinary. You would have been going straight to the damn. Am Bank on forum is tough interesting. Telecast tonight I actually thought it was quite a dull show for most of it. There were some head-scratching picks. There were some entertaining speeches. Let's let's we'll get back to nineteen seventeen and all the races. We'll go through race by race but before we do that. Let's just talk. About the telecast itself Ricky Gervais returned earned as the host fifth time he brought a a unique energy the show this year an energy I would describe as fuck all. He really did not seem to care. Think he literally did describe it as that multiple times when he told the audience to go fuck themselves. He was mercilessly bleeped. Throughout out the night He really had the attitude of a person who would be happy to be anywhere else but at this award show I'll be honest. I know it's not cool to set kind kind of enjoyed it you did I. I kind of enjoyed it not because I thought he was funny or useful but just because it was different. I've never really seen that before. There was a train wreck vibe to it you. You kept cackling at like you. Would just he would say something and it would be silent and then and then you would react to the fact that nothing was happening but him just like melting down. I love the idea of people who work at network or a famous person in the audience watching just like quietly recoiling at everything happening onstage on stage. There's something kind of joker ask about that and I I thought your race was kind of like fake provocative. Most of the night and a lot of the jokes. We're kind of like ooh look at me but not actually with anything deep to say about anything which is a lot of his humor in the last five to ten years but he definitely succeeded in bringing just the sheer shear nihilism to the performance. Yeah and I thought that was the one thing that was a mistake. I don't really care about Ricky Gervais xl. I didn't think he was very funny but I wasn't offended ended. My main thought process there is monologue was like oh I really don't like comedy like I don't like the active comedy or anyone who thinks that they're a comedian. It's just like not for me so you know. Yeah that's that's how I spent my time tonight but bio for you by the way comedy. Not For me. It's really not just don't care. I don't think it's funny but I agree that the show is boring and it felt like purposeless a lot of the time and some of that you remarked as we were watching all the commercials for like whatever weird. NBC Plane Show. They were debut and it would say when it was airing on NBC would say like an streaming the next day and there were commercials for Peacock. Doc and Amazon and ethics and all of the platforms and it was just very clear that this is a network. TV like dying right in front of our eyes yes it was a stegosaurus. Soroush slowly falling to its dinosaur needs so hiring someone to stand up on stage and be like this doesn't matter on the one on hand it's true it really doesn't. It's very putting his finger on the truth of the thing but you know they're still trying to get people to watch the show for three hours in order to cover. The advertising is and and to save their network and it I just did. Your Vase just reminded me of like this. Like this is an outdated form like. This actually has no relevance it didn't make me feel feel bad about committing my time to it though for some reason maybe that's just a six drain of my personality. But I I never felt like well I do. Think the show at Townsville purposeless. I didn't think think that his like ruthlessly blase approach to everything. I I just I. I liked it. There was. It was not the same old like back patty glad handing and and also the same Tina fey and amy poehler ask like were above it but will also do the show Biz dance thing you know that. That was raised a characteristic of their three times hosting. I think all of which were pretty fantastic. I I love them as hosts but the tonality of their hosting was always like. Isn't this stupid but also I will perform for it. This was the first time I ever saw anybody in this job. Go like fuck it. I don't care yeah I guess that's interesting as a one one time thing. I don't think you can ever do it again. Right couldn't run it back. Yeah and he swore up and down that he would not be back. I just I understand that reaction. I spent the whole time being like I'm being reminded so many different ways that I have complete control over what I want to watch now and what I content I want to take in and I just. I really really don't need to be listening to ricky surveys right now. which is now because she was defending me or because he was spectacularly unfunny? I was like I don't need this it's a great point I wonder how what what percentage of humans who are watching television. I chose actively to just throw on a streaming service instead of watch this award. Show which is what they would have done. Yeah say fifteen years ago to fascinating thing anything else else to say about your vase. I mean he really just gave his monologue and then came out. And kinda deep side his way through a couple of introductions and that was really the whole show that is true I they will say that the only kind of provocation that I was like I'll give him credit for or the I will remember is every time he would just yell back at the audience. Yes you did it not me. Shades of Amanda hosting play. Yeah it was. It was unusual. I look forward to the future hosts of the Golden Globes. I think we have now served our ricky surveys time. Yes other notable things things from this. TV Show Ellen was was fitted with a with a big old tribute. The Carol Burnett Award which is now an annual award which I guess last year was the first year Carol Burnett won this award and It was interesting I I think on the one hand Ellen. Degeneres is a hugely important figure socially because when she came out that sort of change changed the perception for a lot of people of the gay lifestyle in America and what a celebrity could be in the future. Twenty years of career has been much more about being a extremely extremely rich famous person and posting talk show and I couldn't help but notice an American Express logo in the middle of the montage that to her that did happen and a career highlight montage included her being an American Express commercial. That seemed like Perhaps a subtle metaphor to a lot of the things happening in such an image is to Ellen's career. Yes I agree with that. I will say I thought they keep Mckinnon speech to her was very moving and funny. That was the one time I was like. Oh I do like comedy and and you can see Ellen. Being moved by that. And and that's why she was on the stage. I think I think that's the reason that they can give her the award. Or that's that's the stated reason and then it is also because she's just been on. TV for seven years like printing money for various people. Yeah you the Hollywood. Foreign Press gives out a lot of awards on the night they give out awards to actors and actresses and writers and directors and even composers and Ellen doesn't really do any of those things. She hosts a TV show but there is no best variety show category so she used to be on the Sitcom but that it was a long time ago. Why why was Ellen at the Golden Globes because people who would not otherwise watch the Golden Globes like Ellen and they watch every day on TV and they watched the clips on answering? I gotTa tell you on the instagram explore tab like an interview with someone POPs up. I'll watch that. I'll watch that stuff steph. Every time I wash it into minute increments you know. I also have a lot of thoughts about Ellen's Politics in the last ten years that I'll keep to myself so but but I think did they give her the award because it brings a different audience. Let me ask you this. Where was Dakota Johnson? That's what I want great question that is so good for those of you. Who Don't know there's a legendary moment on the Ellen Show in which she interviewed Dakota Johnson to Johnson Mentioned that she was having a Christmas party. And Ellen said where's my invitation to send it to you. And she said I never got got it. And then they had a bit of a showdown and I think Dakota came out on the other side of that one. The champion is she did because Allen had been invited I believe it to her birthday party. Ellen was out of town and do you know where L.. It was the weekend of Dakota Johnsons Birthday Party. I was she in Amarillo. Texas with George. Yes she was there you go so yeah Ellen was celebrated. That was fine. I tend to enjoy these lifetime. Achievement awards I think one of the sadnesses sadnesses of where the Oscars now is. Because you know no offense but demons like you complain about how long the show is and so we have to lose things. He's like a lifetime. Achievement awards out of the Oscars which gets into the governor's awards which happened months ahead of time. And we don't get to hear about the great works of I don't know Sidney Lumet or Sidney Poitier gay or other great men named Sydney and unfortunately we don't see that at the Oscars we do see it at the Globes and we saw another great tribute to another great great man not named Sydney. This man is named Tom's names. Tom Hanks this was a this was lovely. I was very moved by it. I'm just moving past all the slander. We'll relitigate the Oscars for two and a half hour. Make them you know. Don't link continuous. Shot make a good TV show making good TV. Show that people WANNA watch all the way to save movies. It's the only way to save TV. It's the only way to save like I don't know celebrities and rooms together just make TV. Show anyway. I thought the time hanks was good TV. Because you know who's Great Tom. BUGGING HANGS AMERICA'S SWEETHEART GETS UP. There starts crying two seconds because his family sitting in the wrought Edison because he was on. I think he's a nice person. And he was like someone had fed him Hypno- and he was he was fading out and then he just goes goes into like your uncle who knows a lot about making movies and wants to give you advice mode. It was great told you all about the gate. Yeah the gate cleans. The closing properly is a I also just watching the montage. I just pointed out to me I just really love Tom. Hanks his work and also I was thinking about our podcast and the hall of fame. And I'm really really mad that I caved on. You've got mail. I should have put it in over sleepless in Seattle. I'm just saying that now. I'd like to apologize to the many people who reach out to let me know that they would have supported. Did that decision. I let you guys down. I will say I have not thought about that one. Since can I have thought frequently about how we left Saving Private Ryan off. which was you? It was my fault but I was reminded instantaneously upon that podcast publishing. In fact that podcast went live and I felt like three seconds later. People were like where saving private private Ryan. Even though they had not listened to it we next it saving private Ryan did make an appearance in this montage Tom Hanks's made like thirty bad movies. And it doesn't matter because his good movies are so good in so meaningful to people and his funkier sincere just general good guy nece makes people feel good and he happened to be in a good movie this year which is very helpful. He did not win unfortunately though he was nominated for best supporting actor for Beautiful Day in the neighborhood I thought it was great. I thought you know. That's not really surprising. He he is professionally decent and he seemed like a good person. He was very happy to have his family there. He was very happy to pay a lot of respect to Martin. Scorsese I believe. He gestured towards him three times during his speech which was adorable. You know I just. I wish that there were actually more things like yes. I like to be reminded of the people I like making these movies. That's the whole point of these award. Shows it's not to like breakdown whether nineteen seventeen is going to win at the Oscars like that's rusted. Do the awards shows themselves are to celebrate the great people in the great stuff. I still like that.
From Pitt to DiCaprio, stars turn out for AFI Awards
"Once upon a time in Hollywood stars Leonardo DiCaprio with Brad Pitt well represented in Hollywood last night are required to do a lot of dangers fears meant to help hello is that how you describe your job cliff and about the star studded American film institute awards luncheon taking place in Beverly hills the annual event honoring eleven films eleven television shows well spoken words followed by a brief scene clip the gathering known for being in a ward where everyone his all winter many in the room that included Martin Scorsese a Robert deniro and Clint Eastwood looked on as each project was given
The Entertainment of 2019: Year in Review
"It interesting year for of the world of entertainment and in terms of the movie screen to get to this explosion of Netflix and all these other different platforms you don't have to go to the big movie theater unless you want the full immersive experience and I always suggest you also get some cookies because as the time of the year but just I think the wives with you enjoy the experience but but I know some of the things the fact you have this posted on your website James person dot com is the ruling over a declining box office because here we have all this if you know the big money is made international especially China will than that with the whole trade the issues going back and forth the editing of certain films so what's going on here is this eventually the demise of the traditional box office expectations in the traditional theaters another been saying that for years with new technology well it it's being yeah it's shrinking kind of traditional movie other than the big franchise brand box office because even though the box office has gone down for the fifth time this decade it's down a record number and the executives and the Hollywood met and many of them I work with they are living in a kind of a denial world I I they know that if these two technological things are you spoke about the fact that you can have a very powerful home theater experience now you know with everybody has a big screen high definition television you're bringing some robots was a I they could pretend like they're part of the crowd you know they can make noise going on cell phones whatever you like yeah but usually because Disney bought Lucasfilm and marble and they have all the biggest intellectual property ownership concept movies they took eighty percent of the top ten so the top ten films of the year eight out of the ten from Disney that's a record Disney also took in ten billion dollars worldwide in their film box office which is also a record but at the same time the box office is down the number of people go to the movies is down and I think it's not just because of the technology I think it's because of the contact and I think what it is is that there's these old concepts things like story characters people long for in his words of Martin Scorsese got highly criticized for speaking out against Marvel superhero movies but there there are more of like a thrill ride in many cases than they are white the kind of story telling that Hollywood became famous for and so because of that you know like the number one movie by actually number one movie of the year and of all time is the ventures and gag which is always the classic not that it's it's a bad movie I mean it's an entertaining movie buddy it's it's all action special effects sci fi superhero fantasy type thing and the others get in the top ten there's captain Marvel there's spider man far from home with the Star Wars the latest Star Wars wars installment the risers creek sky worker these are all from the same bill during it yet all marble or Lucasfilm in there these kinds of movies many of course you have sequels like Toy Story four and frozen was it the golden read books and we're gonna get more and more is that all is well yeah but some of that you get to the new generations and its radio Disney used to do as a by the way for the tuning in talking James person Jim person dot com is my second house over a pop culture among other things but you know Disney had a formula for years back to real DHS and everything else stay AT and into the theaters before that alone every seven years or so they would release like Snow White or something and then they'd go back into the vault and the they keep capturing new generations was masterful now one of the big deals this year's Disney plus the debt is just phenomenal with with what's there you don't really need a lot of other things but it's it's it's all available now so that's another example of how quickly the staff changes your inner exactly what you're talking about by the way for new generations of a new iteration was the remake it with live action The Lion King which was the number two movie any captured a whole new generation of of movie that had captured a previous generation so yeah Disney has the intellectual property so that when they launch their streaming service Disney plus they did something that a lot of people in Hollywood one really freaked out about and then they had a a movie starring Anna Kendrick cold no well it was never released in any it went direct to streaming we haven't even heard that concept direct just dreaming twenty one Disney does it then the people in the industry say oh my gosh this is a trend in the Irish men bad movie that's generating all the on her because of her the foreman should Martin Scorsese unfortunately it has that crazy man Robert De Niro at that but he's consistent and you got a treatment because his movie the molar report on ice the musical didn't do well this year so what is so loved that concept I really do I really do and I I would have given them the Laurie yeah I would go see that if Robert Muller was ice skating I would go see it for sure but but this one it went there was a lady and the tramp remake Disney which and that way director strict streaming I was mentioning the Irishman and there's another movie called marriage is story these are both Oscar bait movies after only one month they went streaming so there could be a new trend in that's good that caters to people that create their own entertainment peered at home and but the only thing is I mean I anecdotally I mean I have friends an average six myself I remember you know we were when we just had cable and all of a sudden we had out hundreds of cable channels and sitting there and I couldn't find anything to watch on cable channel and now people experience that they say oh I'm going through the cable channels I'm going through Netflix I don't see anything I want to watch so I'm gonna watch it's a wonderful life for the eighteen hi so that means there's a vacuum out there for I guess what we would call traditional entertainment and maybe family friendly which is by the way in the end that's where Hollywood makes most of its money because all the top ten films are pretty much the you know there there's no all over you friendly films at the most there's a P. G. thirteen type superhero films that have some action scenes chill Hollywood makes its money with family friendly films and then they attack families with the awards speaking of
What the WSJ Personal Tech Team Got Right About 2019
"Holidays are a time for traditions and one of our favorites at the beginning of every year. The Wall Street Journal's Personal Tech Team publishes their our predictions for the year ahead the tax that they think will shape the year to come. That Crystal Ball isn't always as clear as we think it will be so we thought we take a look back back at two thousand eighteen but they got right and what they missed to do that. We've got our personal team here with us in the studio editor Wilson Rothman and our columnist Joanna Stern so so having looked back at your predictions for twenty nineteen. What do you think I was right about? Everything but Wilson was wrong about everything throwing some hilarious ways. I was wrong about a couple of things. I think the biggest thing I feel not great that I said was that in this year would get a big software face. Lift for the IPHONE and we didn't get that. I really assumed that this would be the year. Apple would break from tradition and stop at the grid of icons or do something to shake things up a little bit in that regard because we knew we the next big hardware facelift. But we didn't get that. I like to say it will happen next year. But my feeling is just apple is going to keep us on this grid of icons for the rest of our. We did get that little ipad facelift which might have been the thing that kind of misled us. Wilson's right I was right as per usual and Done the IRA. Let's get. Let's get in the big picture twenty eighteen so two years ago it was really bad year for the tech industry It was really kind of the big evil we saw facebook. CEO Mark Sucker. Berg spent the year kind of apologizing for a whole bunch of stuff privacy blunders platform and self driving cars at a bunch of bumps in the road. You guys is thought. The two thousand eighteen was going to be a year of reckoning but he said it was gonna be the return of optimism that tax a force for good in some ways in the world. I I think we were wrong about that. It was good there were certainly Continued to be quite the backlash over the number of months. But I think what we did see was a little bit of a slowing slowing down and I think we were right about that innovation. Not only sort of slowing down and not seeing brand new things to be super excited about seeing a lot of these companies sort of just carefully carefully make announcements and really think about the backlash of some of those things. I would say the one place where we didn't see that was facebook announcement of libra. I think that's sort of A. That was a big black eye for them and we think that will be something. That's pretty big in two thousand twenty again as as they try to forge their way through the cryptocurrency water. They're not behaving a humbled company. The fact they put their brand name on instagram and WHATSAPP. I mean this is not a company. That's concerned learned about having a bad reputation. Even though two thousand eighteen was a year where they spent a lot of time apologizing so yeah that took me by surprise but I don't think the the the consequence. I don't think they're not facing consequences all right. Let's shift gears. We were talking about self driving cars and and the idea that robots we're going to be delivering all of our food and that we were GONNA have superhighways a self driving cars. And what did you predict for twenty nineteen gene. What's come to pass? You know I think we were not right necessarily on the adoption of the robots. But I think we were right to talk about food delivery. It was a big year for for food delivery from all of these major companies. Sort of figuring out. What they're landscape needs in terms of how many food delivery companies do we need post mates do do we need to do? We need door ash. We need all of these all of them sort of trying to out each other so to speak and then we also had some reckoning with some of those companies as we had a door dash with a big Sort of backlash to their tipping Policy Uber figuring out. How they're gonNA take Uber? Eats in new directions so we were wrong but it was is a big year for food delivery so one of the other areas we saw huge movement in this year was streaming. Apple had already announced. It was going to go industry Ming at the end of last year You looked at to that launch and Disney plus and and said net flicks would be making a lot of noise in the movie business. How's that all netted out at the end of the the air we got seventy streaming service three and a half hour? Martin Scorsese movie on Netflix. Let's just be clear how that's netted out. Why they couldn't talk him into making into six very easy digest episodes? I don't know but that's your answer. Right there. D- netflix decided. Because all this competition was coming they were GONNA make a big statement and the way they made their statement was finding like one of the most famous and lauded filmmakers and the cast de Niro Pacino Chino Harvey Keitel. I mean it's like all these people I were sure we're alive or dead but I remember great movies by them so everything Wilson just said every the streaming was one of the number one stories of the year it will continue into twenty twenty and a big big way Disney has launched apple has launched. What's coming next year you've got HBO? Max You're going to have peacock peacock from NBC. You'RE GONNA have qube from Katzenberg and Meg Whitman. These are this is just this nonstop and I think twenty twenty will be a year of sort the reckoning figuring out what consumers are willing to pay for. And we're actually going to have time to watch. It's too much stuff to watch but this this was the year era of just everything gets thrown against the wall. All of the cutting edge technology and the connectivity and automation a lot of that depends on improving our networks irks and one of the big things that we thought was going to happen. This year was five G. out for you. What Am I? Best weeks of the year was traveling. The country looking for five. Jesus weddings phone's breaking and phone sweating in phone's breaking it was it was. It was very hot again. WE'RE NOT RE wrong here. They laid the groundwork for what's going to happen in twenty twenty which is really stream five G. adoption with big phone maker saying our mainstream phones or five G. This year we saw it with Samsung. LG Some of the other phone manufacturers releasing one phone or two phones at support five G. all of the four big carriers at and T. Rising T. mobile sprint released. Their five G. Networks. You can now get it in multiple cities every morning. I wake up to other. PR emails pitches from Verizon. At telling any some other small city has five G. now. Is it ready yet for all of us snow. That was this year. This was the I did a piece. I went out into Five cities these are four cities and The companies did not want me to test but I went out there and did not work out so well. The phones were just not supporting the five G. networks when it was super hot Out really above eighty five degrees so this is the year they were working out the kinks. And that's the thing it's like just because five G. is in your hometown like we said you drive around for two hours to find it and then you have to at once you find it not move out of a very small area just like exactly the opposite instead of five G. is supposed to be right it's supposed to be able to propel those self driving cars. It's supposed to be able to do all the big operation systems in our in our cities and help us with our connectivity into all of these different things though it wouldn't make a lot of sense he'd have to drive around like that to live up to the promise you would have to have have far more reliable service than we have now with four G. because it's about lightning-fast no latency connection between two objects that are travelling at sixty five miles an hour free way. They're supposed to be aware of each other and if they can't be at all times and mind you. How long does it take to have an accident? split-second right right that's gone doesn't work right exactly all right so looking back on all of this. You guys thought you did a pretty good job. We're right we're wrong all right. What is your grade? What grade do you give yourselves for your predictions for twenty nineteen b minus was going to be plus? Okay Ebi we average out to be. I think that's about right. 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"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on Show Me the Meaning!
"Hey everybody we are live. What's up everyone? Welcome to show me the meaning. Wise cracks movie podcast. That's right. I paint houses. Welcome welcome my name is Jacob. I'm filling in for jared who is out today on vacation. Haitian I'm joined here by Ryan as you just heard fans whatever and Austin out in Australia still. Yeah we're down under or man down under night no matter crew to talk about a Nice Ole Mafia movie. Today we're discussing. The Irishman written by Stevens alien directed by Martin. Scorsese Sese starring. Everybody Robert De Niro Al Pacino Joe Pesci Ray Romano. I can keep going on as always. Let's go around and get first impressions. And what was it like the first time you saw this movie. If you watch the second time like me and Austin on if you did Ryan what was it like the second time you saw it and Let's start with you Ryan. What was it like? Tell us will you know you. You call this the Irishman. I think someone needs to explain to. Martin Scorsese that movie's called the Irishman. Because he put a title screen Fr- I heard. Did you paint houses at the beginning I saw that I did. That was bizarre. I thought it was pretty cool though. Yeah I was anticipating more title screens throughout chapter visions and then weren't so so retroactively. It made me think okay. I mean that was a very conscious. Big Block lettered decision. What's going on there? You know real quickly before I get into my thing I Review Jake. I hear you say that you went into this first screening. Not knowing feeling it was a true story that's right. I didn't know that you caught that. That's crazy to me okay. Let me let me well I I go into every movie pretty much movie knowing nothing because I've been disappointed far too many times so anytime I like. Get too amped or two jazzed. I get disappointed so what I do now. Is I kind of go in knowing nothing. I knew nothing about this movie. So I went to with jared at the Egyptian theater now that Netflix runs the Egyptian And Yeah I just saw it and I to me I was like. Oh He's just made another goodfellas made another casino. We'll great casino. We're both about real people to true stories. Yes I don't know anything. I should not be here hosting filling in no no I. I didn't know much so about this movie and I didn't know much about those stories. I just didn't know much about what's going on. I knew Jimmy Hoffa was obviously a real character. I wasn't sure how much of this was fictionalized around him. Then then in the second watching and researching this podcast I I watched I had no intention of coming on the podcast. Now that I did I was like oh Okay there's a lot more going on. Every single character can be kind of Google Research. That's interesting every moment like the Nashville court scene. I mean everything is sort of a historical moment so it felt more like watching Lincoln this this time. Okay not not not to be disparaging but I thought it was a little more historical. There's more to get out of it so anyway. What was it like the first time you saw it right okay? Yeah because I'm I'm the opposite of you. I read like a fuck ton of movie blogs and movie review site too so I i. It's pretty rare that go into movie completely blind. I do you know I try to stay away from spoilers and stuff obviously but I knew a lot about this story going into and I haven't read the book I heard you paint houses but I you know I pretty much know the entire story And yes I could not wait for this movie. This was the fucking. The expendable of of Martin Scorsese verse. Or whatever I do follow follow. You were friends on facebook. I did see the anticipation with your full. On fucking list of Martin Dobson Tireless. I ranked every Scorsese film that I've ever ever seen you know Willful Wall Street's at the top trying to see where the Ryerson would follow in and basically I really love this movie. I mean it it is not the home. Run on out of the ballpark hit that I wanted it to be. You know it's not good fellas. It's not as good as casino even in my opinion It doesn't But but I don't really really at the end of the day. I think it was even aspiring to be like those movies even though it obviously does fit in nicely next in the filmography with those total it has completely different aesthetic whereas those films are very very tightly bound together by their aesthetic. And this one's ten times slower It's three and a half hours hours even though I guess the other two or three hours but this feels way slower obviously Because you know it's about fucking geriatric people goodfellas meets grumpy old men and what I did but I really liked it like I two saw in one sitting at the Egyptian theatre like you which I think is the only way to wash movie. I do think that I'd be curious here. I'd be curious to hear people's emails. You know like the difference between the people that watch in the theater versus the people that watch it like three parts on Netflix. Because that I honestly it by the time you're on your third sitting. Watch the Irishman. If that's how you did it feel like you're you're pretty much. It's like a chore for You. You're like all right. I got this movie people. Tell me it's supposed to be important whereas you know we. We saw three hours which was too long. It is a WHO long movie I would say doesn't need to be three hours but I will say that. I was completely engrossed in engaged the entire time I was rarely Li- like twiddle my thumbs Yeah so yeah to me like it. Fired on all cylinders with the aesthetic the pacing was cool and different The de Aging was weird. But honestly I liked it at the end of the day in in kind of made me my imagination. Run Wild with the possibilities of how you can apply that stuff. I mean. Obviously they looked old old even when they were young. Sometimes which is you know. Didn't work perfectly. But I got used to it so overall I mean I give it a solid a minus like a pretty great really great movie. I will tell you very briefly before you get the also I. I had a funny I. I went on a date to see this movie with somebody. Our second day she it was her idea to see the three and a powerline movie. And I'm like okay great but I I've been wanting to see it. Let's go and then we go to the Egyptian and I swear to God for. She starts coughing right right which she's sick. UK Get Madison for coffee. But she does it every ten seconds for three and a half hours and and I was never going to say anything. I got some water to help. Then everybody around me literally start saying hey can you please leave after about two hours of her being there so my I was in this like painful so I was in this curb your enthusiasm episode from Hell where we're literally me and my dad are ruining the whole movie for five hundred people at the Egyptian Just like because of something. She can't change she's sick. What is she going to do? You know and so then I'm sitting there And then she says Ryan stay here. I'M GONNA go in the back and so I listened to her and I didn't leave leave. That was never going to date with me to a movie. I'll leave you in the movie if you're sick and you can go back and honestly I mean you you. Everyone felt bad for but it's because she was sick. What are you going to do? She can't help but yeah I mean. She's coughing so did you watch it again. Dan Yes so so that you experience was a little fucked but I did enjoy but then yeah I did watch it with my folks when I came back for Thanksgiving and and and we watch it on Netflix. But in the two parts and that was definitely not fun is the first time even though the first one had the coughing incident. So let's go to you Austin. What was it like watching the the first time I it was like watching it again? Yes the first time I saw it in the theater second time. I did a two part viewing on Netflix. And I actually didn't mind the two two part viewing of it. It felt kind of Nice like it was a mini series. Almost you know and I went in with. I guess the historical Biographical Lens so I went in knowing that this was going to have some sort of there was going to be like entertainment historical biography you know and it totally was totally was and and I. I was hesitant before seeing it because I'm kind of tired of so much cinema right now. I know that Scorsese is not the average director director. What's up Oh to say say what tired of too much cinema well? Contemporary Cinema not tired of the cinematic form. I'm bored with what is being produced. And so when I saw that it was gonna be another gangster film I was like I mean. How many times is he gonNa make a gangster film? I was like I know it's him. I should give him like a long leash but then I was like also in this landscape. Cinema seems to be saying the same shit reproducing the same stories just with different different names attached to it so I was. I was a little bit Mr Mick grumpy face before I went in right and.
"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on The Qwipster Film Review Podcast
"Today I am going to be looking at the latest film. From Martin Scorsese and it's a film. It's notable because it's currently playing on the Netflix streaming service. It is called the Irishman. It is an R. rated film it did give some theatrical release before it was put into Netflix. But I'll get into that. In a moment. It has pervasive of language. It has strong violence in. It runs another notable thing three hours and twenty nine minutes. The main star is Robert Deniro with sizeable sizable supporting roles. For Joe Patchy Al Pacino Harvey Keitel Stephen Graham Ray Romano Anna Paklin and bobby kind of Ali are in the film. Martin Scorsese as I mentioned is the director Stevens alien credited with the screenplay of Irishman is a tale that is spun from the vantage point of an older man. He's in a nursing home. And then we get to see a series of very extended confessional flashbacks as the main body of the film. A Robert Gordon. Euro is in that lead role of that old man. The World War Two veteran meat delivery driver named Frank Sheeran who back in the nineteen fifties. He got get involved as a Hitman for the mob after he met and he provided his services to a well known crime boss named Russell. BUFFA Lino Beverly knows. Played by Joe Pesci she in the film now during his time working with Russell. Franken's up meeting and then becoming a close confidante of the nation's most influential union boss Jimmy Hoffa and then he's played by Al Pacino Hafa was known for using strong-arm tactics to bring the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Union to power organized crime had a significant influence in this era on the unions and in business and really up to the highest levels of government. So frank finds himself on the rise. He plays bodyguard and a man of trust to Hoffa in his attempts to keep control of the most powerful union in the country. Now if you know your history you know Kinda wear this is going to go although although you know the mystery of Jimmy Hoffa kind of still exists today this film attempts to answer some of those questions now. The Irishman is a notable film for for many reasons. I've already given you a couple but in Martin Scorsese's long and illustrious career he struggled with the financing here for over a decade to get. The movie made his way. The current studios make decisions primarily for wet will make them a prophet cinema for art and these Oscar Bait Prestige films. They end up getting packaged with a similar notion in mind they want to have their budgets limited and to market them on the hope that perhaps it might take off often become lucrative for them after languishing for several years. Martin Scorsese may depress to push forward with the Irishman. After the release of silence in Twenty Sixteen eighteen however the financially struggling paramount pictures they paid for domestic distribution rights which was good but then they scoffed at the exploding costs of putting forward word. The filmmakers vision as it was the ended up dropping out when the leading financiers a Mexican company called Fabrica Cassini. They cancelled their one hundred. The million dollar bid to fund the money when the costs looked to skyrocket well above that amount Scorsese ended up bucking then the traditional studio system in two thousand seventeen to make his film with the Streaming Service Netflix Netflix. There's no need to worry about selling tickets because they really have a platform already for their viewers you know they have a different prophets structure that relies on getting new subscribers to sign on to see their wealth of entertainment that they provide and they want to keep all subscribers from canceling because because they're satisfied with them continuing to get fresh content of quality so they footed the hundred and five million dollars for the exclusive rights to the Irishman and in addition to that the overall budget to make film into one of the best films in the career of one of the best film makers of all time. That's quite a feather in. Netflix is cap now. Despite despite not being made by a major studio Scorsese here received a hefty budget to make the film he wanted a hundred and fifty nine million dollars. That's the kind of money that studio's really. I usually only afford the movies. That Scorsese has recently criticized as so-called not cinema in his interviews of late. You know he's a longtime sinophile and he's also been a cinema Peres to eat. Long has been extolling the merits of the theater and crowd experience to take movies. And that makes his marriage to netflix particularly striking they. They would split the difference by releasing Irishman exclusively into theaters for twenty six days before it ended up debut in on the streaming service. It's not a popular way to do it. Some major as your chains so major theater chains have been resistant to showcasing films that ended up going quickly to digital so a lot of them chose not to carry it. Not only because short runs cut into theater profits because the longer that films run in their theaters the more of the percentage of the take that they get but audiences are also hesitant to pay for an experience into theater when they could see it on Netflix in just a short number of days. So Scorsese has since softened on his initial criticisms of the studios in their quest forever. Profitable temple releases here. He chooses to let his work speak for him and it speaks volumes. The Irishman is best argument in reminding cinna files on what it's like to see a visionary filmmaker deliver an honest to goodness artistic and dramatic achievement in crafting challenging cinema cinema set of trying to service audiences by making strictly what we want to see which is usually what the temple releases do not. What is the Irishman well? It's an adaptation one of this two thousand four true crime book that was written by a former Delaware. Deputy Attorney General. He ended up turning into an author. His name is Charles Brandt. He published a book upon on which the Irishman is based. But it's called. I heard you paint houses in book. Form The book chronicles Frank Sheeran's alleged activities working for the Buffalo Crime Family and details els his purported involvement in the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa. This is a book that Robert Deniro read during his time when he was directing his film the Good Shepherd that was back in two thousand six. It has some similar subject matter because it gives some history of the Bay of pigs which is kind of what the Good Shepherd was revolving around Deniro connected acted with Charles Brands Book. He ended up handing it to Martin Scorsese to read and he thought it could be a possible project for them to work together instead of the one that they had been planning which was of the. Don winslow novel called the winter of Frankie machine. Now Scorsese felt that if deniro was finding it so passionate about this potential project and the way he hasn't I've been in some time maybe it would be worth pouring all of their time and hearts into getting a film that they truly wanted to see made at this point in their career so he ended up optioning the book immediately after reading it in two thousand seven and yet he still struggled to try to bring it to the screen and that lasted for over a decade because initially he was struggling with scheduling all of these actors that he wanted to appear in the film to be available. And then there was a darker reality as timeline on studios were becoming more reticent to provide the funds necessary necessary to bring such a sprawling epic gangster film too big screens in this era of massive releases that concentrate on superheroes and big budget action Chin and whatnot. This was not going to be a lucrative film in most studios mind so the rest is of course history. We see it on Netflix. Now in this film will end up marking the ninth feature film collaboration between the Director and Deniro. They had not done a movie together. A full-fledged movie since Nineteen ninety-five Gangster Opus called Casino now also from Casino is Joe Patchy he reportedly had been asked by. Martin Scorsese dozens of times to come in to do the film before consenting they say over over fifty times PECI really had not appeared in any movie other than doing voice work since two thousand ten love ranch and that was his first significant roles since since one thousand nine hundred ninety eight lethal weapon four so for the past twenty plus years. He really hasn't done very much. She said he was through with gangster movies in particular but Scorsese insisted listed. This one would be worth his wild come back to you deniro. So played a role in getting pets. She to reconsider. And the actor finally consented when Netflix got involved because then the project changed from a pipe dream to something that actually had solid backing an interest in Deniro was right. The film is different and the Irishman's not just about the rise and fall all of a criminal empires so many gangster films are. This is about more than that. It's about the corrosive nature of crime itself on those participate in the life of killing and thuggery. This is a story of a man at the end of his life. He looks back at all he's done and this is also made by people who are also looking back. At the kinds of films they've done and in that retrospection altogether they find a defined poignancy in the tolls that are paid and traded away to live a wretched life. It's something that really can. Only be observed at the other end of life looking back back a retrospective gangster film not commonly seen anymore although both knew each other and traversed the same cinematic circles for nearly five decades. The Irishman also marks the first collaboration between Martin Scorsese and Al Pacino. They discussed making films together for years so they definitely were on the same page. They're the most promising project that almost became a film was a bio pic on a Jewish Italian artist named Modigliani that dissipated due to studio reticence back in the day back in nineteen eighty. The United Artists Released Heaven's gate. That was a big budget art film and they ended up taking a bath on that. They really faced bankruptcy after that and they ended up getting scooped up by MGM and that made a lot of studios Shy Away from putting forward the funds necessary to make lengthy and lavish art films like that Pacino did appear For three prior films with Robert De Niro though the first of course the all time classic but they didn't work together on the screen. That was the godfather part to the second time. It was much more notable. They made a great film. Ah called Heat Michael Mann's film and the ended up sharing a key scene in that. which a lot of people found very riveting because here were two titans of acting from the the nineteen seventy s through the nineteen eighties working together? The third time they actually worked together much more. But it was a lacklustre misfire. The very few fans really care about beyond the fact that there is is a pairing of Pacino and Deniro that was called righteous. Kill after that last one de Niro said he would like at least one more chance to work with the Chino but it would have to be in a project that they both could could be proud of. Making and the Irishman I think is that movie that they should be pleased very pleased that they made now all three of these actors give their best performances on film in decades especially especially Robert Deniro. He acts like the film really means the world to him. And that's probably because it does. It is a passion project for him even more so than it is for Scorsese. We witnessed Deniro's passion. You can see a scene that comes late in the movie. He as frank struggles to spin a hopeful assurance to be concerned wife agonizing about her husband. Who's been missing for a couple of days? Frank knows of course what happens to the husband Jimmy Hoffa but he has to maintain this facade of being a family friend and to be able to consoling in that effort and he's struggling to find the words. You know this is evidence not only of the scene but throughout this whole film of a masterful performance. I think this will will allay naysayers who have long. How did that? The actors best work is long behind him. Meanwhile Pacino is electrifying as you would expect as Jimmy Hoffa's both menacing and comical comical is a mix of strengthen actually vulnerability that really could only come from one of the great actors in Cinema. It's really a well rounded part. It's not just to stereotype. And although he's rarely acted in the last two decades I think Joe Patchy really seems like he hasn't missed a beat here. Even longtime squeezy collaborating Harvey Harvey keitel gets a smaller appearance. Although the role may be too small to garner him to kind of accolades that these other actors are getting. The Scorsese is still in peak. Form here here with the Irishman his use of steady cams to at intimacy and to comment on some of his other works and music to punctuate the time in the setting in the mood of the film. And there's a heap of emphasis on period details. Here is very immersive. He had already had a shorthand with these lead actors. He'd worked with before I guess Pacino was new to him but he is also Louis season actor that's used to improvisation reactions and he has played variations of tough guys like Hoffa throughout his career. So he didn't really need a lot of guidance. Scorsese here is discovering covering new facets by not portraying these top gangsters as unapproachable or glossed over with menaces so many other films dude instead. They're flawed their Pity they're concerned with very mundane issues on a human level. Russell doesn't want people to smoke in his car. and Jimmy Hoffa really can't get over someone meeting with him unless they're wearing a suit especially if they're late that really bothers him to no end and I guess if you want to read into this in all these ways. These behaviors are a measure of control. Roland respect. That drives them. They expect and setup arbitrary rules as guideposts on how others should behave around them whether they continue to have that respect as measured by whether other people are willing to indulge in not smoking in a car or being on time and wearing a suit a really dogs these men to no end if they don't get that respect so very very telling their the film features over two hundred fifty characters to portray throughout several decades heavily researched period wardrobe sets vehicles. Guns ends other props that are appropriate to each era. Six thousand extras were also utilized in the course of the shoot and that shoot took place at over one hundred different locations Israel locations not just done on a movie set now. Does it need to be three and a half hours long now if you will just want to tell this as a story I guess it didn't need to be. You could probably do within two and a half maybe even less than that but if you removed even an hour of this film you would likely lose many of the important smaller and more relevant reflections and those personal tidbits that feel so unique in this world that Cortesi and company are creating Scorsese here deliberately brings in details like.
"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on World Cafe
"The Irishman as well as the band's owned documentary once we're brothers and of course it's the fiftieth anniversary history of the band's self titled Album Robbie. It's a pleasure to meet welcome back to the cafe. AU thank you great to be here so once. We're brothers brothers. Where was that song in the recording process of the album will they were Doing this documentary That was inspired by my book testimony and in the course so that there was so much about the journey and the journey with the band And in that all all of a sudden I was feeling a very deep sadness about losing three of my brothers in in in the band in Sao One day when I sat down to write a song This is where it took me. And then in the documentary they they said Oh my goodness we have to. We have to use it in the documentary and we would like to even call the documentary. Once we're brothers. Wow Oh that must be very intense and we'll talk a little bit about the connection between you and the executive producer of the documentary wants for brothers in a little bit. But I I I WANNA talk a little bit more about your solo album cinematic particularly on a track that you worked with Van Morrison on the vodka titled. I hear you paint houses else's now for those unfamiliar with the Book of a similar title. What is painting houses a euphemism for will it's a mob expression expression and it's The movie the Irishman Martin Scorsese's new movie that I did the score for and worked on the music for it's based on this book and And the expression is you know when somebody in the mob needs somebody taken out. They know who to call and when they WANNA know if they're available to do this head there they would say I heard you paint houses and if the guy says yes. That's true I do that. Means he's accepting the job to go and take somebody out and the paint houses. I'm I'm sorry to say is about a splattering of blood so I have to ask because obviously this ties into the Martin Scorsese movie did did he specifically ask for a song song potentially with this title or did you just find in working with this. That title was evocative Andrew Towards writing. Something like that. Yes exactly what you just said. I was working on the score for it. And with this title of the book I don't know it just got stirred up in me and I I just couldn't help myself. I just ended up writing in writing a song about that subject matter and it wasn't even like Hey Marty have written a song. Can you put this in the movie. That never came up. I just wrote the song and now I've I've heard that at the very end of the credits. Let's on the movie. You hear. Some of Van Morrison in my vocal calling out. I heard you paint houses back and forth and what a wonderful feeling that was for us to be able to join together on this thing. I absolutely adored the song and I love the I love the verse. Chorus hand off From the album cinematic but also you will hear. In the Irishman. The new movie for Martin Scorsese see that Robbie Robertson scored. Here's I hear you paint houses on World Cafe. Don't that's I hear you paint houses from our guest Robbie Robertson Britain and joined by Dan. The man Morrison It is also Not only from his move.
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"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on The Kitchen Sisters Present
"See the kitchen. He used to be a bedroom. These to pay. Oh yeah mom cook for them wash. Their clothes needs to pay how many people on the rooms. It was two bores me my father this rosy Mo- Mikey Joey Faye seven and two was night forearms over more on. You got no furniture at bed. Time you pick them up when you had the room and time before them down and then you want to sleep all the questions we had didn't really matter anymore. They just took off and went and went and went onto Kellyanne. Yeah I was right. What were you about? My father's smashed a great thing but no they can't your mesh once. Oh my God. Yeah father didn't have. The machine by father had jokes. You know hit body. We'll come work exactly beside scaffolding apple. Being what kind of things happen was it was a lot of things you know. Another time. He came home. He hurt his then. He was out of work so long. And you know in the master of the House within market. It was hard on us. My mother used to paint to keep the family going. My mother was a very fine Hanso. The older people will remember when I mentioned his name. My mother made pants for Daddy Browning a millionaire. He married young girl. Her name was peaches right. This is I'm serious and my mother was such a fine so whatever and he used to go here on our ninth street to have his clothes made and they used to give the pants to my mother because her celine was beautiful. My mother used to take the call. Listen to me. My mother used to finish the pan. Hold up night. Then I began to realize as much fascinated by for leniency hopefuls. Kubrick Eisenstein all of the editing when a person person is in the frame directly talking to you or directly to the camera. That's the movie that then affected everything I did in the fiction films too including the film. The Irishman I know that if the actor hold it and if it's interesting enough you stay on them. We'll be right back. The kitchen sisters present is sponsored by better help better help offers. Licensed professional counselors who are specialized in issues such as depression stress anxiety anger family conflicts. LGBT matters and more connect with your professional counselor in a safe safe and private online environment. Anything you share is confidential and it's convenient you can now get help at your own time and at your own pace you can schedule secure cure video or phone sessions plus chat and text with your therapist kitchen sisters present listeners. Get Ten percent off your first month with Discount Code Kitchen in sisters so why not get started today go to better help dot com slash kitchen sisters simply fill out a questionnaire to help them. Assess your needs and get matched with a counselor slur. He'll love better help dot com slash kitchen. Sisters.
"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on The Kitchen Sisters Present
"The films of Martin Scorsese are astounding as are his efforts to preserve the history and heritage of American cinema through his groundbreaking film foundation. Martin Artan score says he is a keeper a steward of American and global cinema one of our heroes. The sound mix of raging bull was one of are great. Inspirations and had a big impact on the kind of mixes we thought were possible for a fledgling kitchen sister stories in the soundtracks. The way the man waves music into a stories or doesn't leave it just shocks you with Pierce's with it clubs with his scores is an soundtracks are like new orders and then there are his documentaries his nonfiction films starting with Italian American portrait of his own parents and family the last waltz rolling stones shine a light and his most recent documentary but not quite documentary. Three Bob Dylan's rolling Thunder Revue The San Francisco Film Society invited Mr Scorsese here to honor his nonfiction film. Work and premieres latest feature took the Irishman about the teamster union. Boss Jimmy Hoffa. We were so taken by his own state conversation that we begged the film society to give us a copy the recording. So we can make podcasts of it for you. Were kind enough to say yes today. The kitchen sisters present. Martin Scorsese testing. Hey thank you so much. Thank you that the Castro why you've talked about how formative film was for you and I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about the nonfiction aspect act of that early documentary films that you saw either in the movie theater on your sixteen inch. RCA television at home. That's interesting because most of the early years that I was viewing films. They took me a movie theater. All the time where narrative films of supposedly supposedly narrative fiction films and the sense of non-fiction sort of slipped in slowly. I think by the late forties early fifties. I I think really something happened again. It's a whole thing about me. Having Asthma Nineteen forty-six I wasn't allowed to play sports or war. Run around or be near animals of any kind and trees and I was allergic to everything no laughing because kids would get into a spasmodic laughter laughter and then turn blue and it was very bad until always taken to the movie theaters. I think the closest thing I could think of that was overlapping a little bit into nonfiction with the film. Wars and this is slightly be misunderstood. Because as the whole thing that goes back to the forties and fifties and early sixties if it's black and white and grainy that means it's real and that comes from newsreels now with the younger people today of course. The perception is Cameron on a iphone. So it's a whole different perception of what reality could be. In any event event we had a television in nineteen forty eight and they were. These Italian film shown once a week on Friday night but Italian American community in New York and and we saw the neorealist films I five or six for me. Look at the film's Grainy Black and white. TV and subtitled ELT. I know who is still cinema but it had another immediacy to adding to that was the fact that the people in the film particularly pies. Aw Cellini found. That begins insisted that my grandparents came to the apartment and watching it when my family and how they were speaking in the film was the way they were speaking speaking. Thank you and I guess that state line that way but ultimately I couldn't really see a difference difference between the two and then of course we became very very aware of the nonfiction film in the fifties particularly films from the WPA. A Leo Hurwitz Parallel Ryan's and all of that so that became something we could see them. A theater in New York called the value in the theater was very small and the screen was tiny and it was a no nonsense every day in the summer. They got double bill every day. They changed it and so many documentaries their first episode Eisenstein film just walked in the middle and so this led to the awareness of this kind of film making when I started taking film courses at Nyu in one thousand nine hundred sixty by that time. There's Penny Baker. There's Lecoq there's the maizels surely Clark and John Kesse these shadows and shadows. And Shirley Clark's a cool world. There was no difference between what what I saw on television. And what I saw and we'll be zoll one and it could be done is. He's so in a sense they're interrelated so much that once I saw shadow's even window it's another world for me culturally. I was very very much Coming from a little Kinda Sicilian village in a way But when I saw shadows I told my friends at night. I said there's no more excuses we can do. It depends on what you have to say. You know so we started doing everything we could even if we didn't have anything to say just but we knew that the pictures could be made and the documentary. Element was there all all the time. Our Teacher The Hague Manooghian. It wasn't school the arts that was a couple of classes it was not like Nyu now but he was only intent. Untung showing US or inspiring us to make documentaries anybody who made narrative films one thousand nine hundred eighty nine sixty. That was out here in the West Coast. There was very little to New York Independent. Were you resistant to that idea. Or because I think you also said that you were more interested in making more stylized narrative films at the time. We're absolutely. Yeah but the thing was that it seemed that how should I put. It should be a film. It shouldn't be a documentary or fiction. Film should be a film. There should be no difference. I mean that is happening now to not really shouldn't be pigeonholed into saying well. The documentary should be this way. And that's nonfiction. And what if it's altogether. What if you could pull from everything and experiment with it? And that was the idea that ultimately became mean streets. Really how do you choose your documentary subjects subjects. How do you decide what is worthy of spending the time and effort? I think the key one was Italian American when I made eighty my mother and father that was nineteen seventy six was the bicentennial maybe doing the PBS series. The storm of strangers was called and they had for each ethnic group a half hour film and they asked me to the Italian when I suggested that instead of doing be traditional or colonel logical obvious. Way of going about explaining the immigration battalions. So why don't we just go to my mother and father's apartment on Elizabeth Street. We'll have dinner okay but like really. You're sitting down there okay. Why why are you down there? What he wants from me? We got in there her myself from the kitchen memoir you and Martic and I started shooting my doing so far. It's about to ask a question but I saw that. My mother took over the scene. You what should I say you know. You want me to tell you how how how learn how to make. Why don't ask me the question? Don't you hear that. Then I mean if you would ask me a question I would answer GonNa. I'm GONNA save now. I WANNA know how you learn how to make sauce. We'll talk to you. How long I mean how many two years I'm going to use it and doing it and I want to see you do it? Well you know. My father was greg resistant. And she started arguing with him can mean Charlie Book. The way you're talking to we know that's what I mean. I'm an actress. I'm not putting on any as you want to fight or something. Talk Talk to me when you talk to your son. My mother and father by that point it was that they were never went to school. There were working in the garment district but kit started make these movies. They thought I was completely crazy but they participated data because their son is doing and I know I wanted to start you. You're going to tell us about the sauce. You'RE GONNA show us how to do the source. By the time I finished. which was the next day three hours three hours? The next eating with them at the table by that time I realized that they had a whole life before me. Wow I didn't realize what really like in the tenements in nineteen twenty two. You know I remember as a little boy we used to have Wallis. I mean people loved us. We.
"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on The Kitchen Sisters Present
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"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on Show Me the Meaning!
"Me that people are always saying he glorifying violence in his movies so is that is that more so i feel like you have to say more really what would it be saying about violence in that i guess for your thing it would it be i don't i don't i don't feel like the movies glorifying violence i don't i'm and bring my own sort of prejudices apologizing for the fact that of course leonardo dicaprio's character is a man of violence he's gone through the worst shit the moral better did you expect that or yeah i mean yeah that's here's what it means to your point here you know he's like literally hugging hugging his dead wife his hands are covered in blood there was blood on his hands martin scorsese is working on his hands from movies there's the menace bam play that inception thing the violence is actually i think different than most movies he's at least that i remember at least that i feel like this one is the blood is much redder and more saturated it's much more like more beautiful almost like it's almost like a painting almost it's art artsy did it wasn't gross to me like remember watching you know the blood flow out of the nazis had there's something there's something beautiful about that image so there's beauty in the violence here which is interesting it's like all of those flashback sequences are very lush you talked about that tracking shot where they shoot off the nazis tease i mean that's a beautiful shot you're like you're marveling at this display violent arctic shot to yeah all right right you guys have anything else you wanna bring up if not we're going to the mail bag anything else print going once going twice we got a lot of emails and voicemails about the dark knight rises a a movie that people seem to be passionate about we're gonna go into our food we're gonna go into our voicemails if you wanna hit us up with with a voicemail comments questions interpretations whatever you want to one three five three four eight eight zero seven or two one elf hut oh seven we're going to go with anonymous who wants to talk about the dark knight rises going on animus hey lifestyle i wanted to comment on someone else less earlier earlier in the stream about the the the noble why at the end of the dark knight rises i actually don't think it is alive because the batman the the whole all series is about bruce using the symbol of the bat to overcome his here the symbol dis and is given new life in a participation of the people of gotham so the he hands them basically gives them the rights it's to use the symbol uses a symbol to inspire them and then the figure of the batman is at the end of the film and so because of that more people can take on batman identity which is kind of there need not the strongman of justice anymore now justices lies on the shoulders of every i've ever individual which i think is point so i don't think it's a lie i think it's a it's like an art performance hey that's kind of like this point yeah yeah the only thing is that i would like that a lot more if joseph gordon levitt character didn't become batman that's the problem with that sort of thing like it feel it doesn't i don't feel like the symbol people is dead it's still it's still alive it's like banks do you know the bank sees identity is his art he i- banks he could be anybody buddy it can be joseph gordon levitt but joseph gordon levitt has access to the bat if he like if banks he died like someone else came as banks what i'm saying the we'll never know i guess you know these people i like the idea of the statue not being representative of the sacrifice batman but at image of what gotham needs to come to get its needs to become to get its shit together but once again if it is in fact the city as a whole that if the symbol really has evolved than there shouldn't be just another batman which is joseph gordon levitt yeah my only nemo only thing with that all right let's go from mike hey what's going on my back this is mike from new york i'm just calling in about the meeting on the dark knight rises i i just thought it was interesting when you guys got a discussion about the socioeconomic messaging of it and i really appreciate a lot of jokes comments i think just quite simply no-one isn't schilling for or left or right wing ideology just doing one of the things that he did pretty consistently well across all three installments which is kind of make gotham a character one of the biggest guest exit out the rest of the DC franchises they treat big by sequences like the city is a rugby field and you're you lose sight of what exactly these people are defending or attacking right whereas like the marvel franchise is very good not just reminding us about who is saving but also what is being safe and whether or not it's worth it and that maybe in rather going won't that mean fight because the city is den of iniquity prime that it doesn't matter because it's still worth saving joker these people have no moral code and have have no you know actually integrity when it comes to what they believe ambanis matters the city still was saving and finally being comes along as you know look there's this messaging thing about this being wide-scale inequality risky getting richer the poor poor there's exploitation ray in batman again you know to create the cemetery there is again the city is worth saying i think it was a lot on this movie for sharing i respect everybody's comments i thought on that one piece that's maybe it was possible to read too much into it thanks goddamn that was a good thing voicemail real good voicemail podcast talked a lot faster and more eloquently than i do real i totally am there with him on that like i i don't we've we touched on the political message or reading you could read in the film i don't think any of us necessarily saying that that's for sure what no one is saying i think in general is pretty a political and and that he just sees the conflict you know he likes the nature of that conflict thinks cinematic and and isn't necessarily taking sides it's just he's showing it like it is why i think there's an interesting question to be raised about when filmmaker thinks he's being being a political but critics think he's being political case in point didn't what's his newest movie called again which i wonder why they came out with tom hardy in a plane dunkirk dunkirk dunkirk dunkirk was was criticized because i guess through a through the lens of certain certain people i don't know which side of the aisle they're on but churchill's choice to sacrifice those people is not something that some people agree with and yet it was romanticized man-sized so maybe no one doesn't think he's being political but other people might put him on that pedestal i mean i is interesting by sort of display by deploying by displaying both sides of the argument to sort of create sort of a a multilevel sorta depiction of this city people sort of latch onto each side is being you know the political political statement of new movie when it's really i think to this sort of commenters point it's more about you know creating a world for batman to theoretically save more so than is about you know admonishing or you know going forward with one particular ideology over and that's how you know it's good art man because you can make arguments for both arguments man you know what i'm trying to say man you know good art i will say that i don't think no one he's never struck me as a particularly political filmmaker maker i think he's more interested in sort of existential identity issues that he is in you know politics yeah we got a whole bunch of emails about the politics thing and the one thing i'll say is that if nolan is a political filmmaker i don't think he so shallow as to say all right i'm gonna straw on the other side toward the argument is incoherent and then you know because that just seems cheap to me the fact that whatever baynes revolution is built off of is incoherent that doesn't strike me as a real attempt at criticizing ideology so now bean bean sucks all right let's one more from jacob hey wisecracks this i was just listening to your dark knight rises podcast and i just want to say that this pothole kind of makes me angry that whenever i think about it how does bruce wayne get from the lazarus pit back ticked off them city that never makes sense especially recent were you brought up which i never actually considered and even when i considered it still doesn't make that much sense he doesn't have his money at that point he doesn't have any access best to anything for him to get back to gossip not to mention of house even get back into gaza which i really don't understand i was wondering if you guys could expand expand upon that what do you think because how can he get from the middle of the desert tossing city anyway podcasts prettier from you and i hope that often you're feeling better that's all right but you guys by a he's batman be he's ninja see he's rich as fuck a billionaire and has had on at this point what not at this point he's broke you don't think he has cash or assets assets scattered and that's it it's another critique of capitalism because he has offshore accounts that not even bane knew about see as we go he is literally one desert walk away from you know from a bunch of gold that he can get back to america no problem i mean the guy industry industry get a cell phone i can almost guarantee chris and jonathan nolan had this conversation and they were like who cares he just gets there man take time and you remember when we kind of touched on this before we didn't go into detail remember when the dark knight rises preview came out in front of mission impossible four four and that was when the whole big thing about no one can understand what bain is saying did you did you see i did and i didn't i didn't understand what bain was saying i mike that i kind of liked it too and i remember that chris nolan was really resistant to the idea of re recording tom hardy's lines which ended up folding and doing because he said look it doesn't matter if you understand what the people are saying because of the context clues in the tone you'll get the gist you'll get enough and i kinda respect that yeah i mean no one's never been one just sort of walk you through all the steps he likes to cut into scenes he likes you know interesting editing choices i don't think he's the type of filmmaker who's going to tell you how bruce scott to gotham he's just going to jump to the actual story i think that's insane though the idea that you think that he thinks that that oh it doesn't matter if i have my video he said what he said this this isn't just my conjecture seen like i do watch guy and what what would that be like he goes to somebody's like hey can i get a ride to gotham like it would be silly to see i don't like kenny in south park you just get enough you don't know exactly what he's saying but the context clues work there's a lot of issues of plot flat issues with dark knight rises but i i don't have any issues with this one uh-huh honestly if kinney's leading an army and no one understands what he's saying that is hilarious if if if and to me that is a commentary if he's leading an army against gotham in everyone's like wait what did that guy say it's like that scene in life of brian when everyone's like what jesus say and they're like he said everyone gets cheeses jesus bless the cheeses i don't my favorite my favorite part of watching that before mission impossible for was aiding gillan plays the other actor opposite tom hardy and that scene he like axis assist can understand everything tom hardy is saying despite the fact that nobody else can i liked that dedication i like i like that it's weird and i enjoy it well here's my point my point point is is that i would imagine a similar logic applies to a lot of these plot holes and i think there is a sense of being a daredevil here you know if you take a filmmaker maker that's radically different from christopher nolan but think of david lynch at a certain point you realized i'm here for the tone i don't care i don't i'm not supposed to know what's going on and i think.
"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on Show Me the Meaning!
"Not this is this film not an exercise in this bringing us into the subjectivity of an inmate we start the movie inhabiting the gaze of teddy one who dismisses mrs these inmates as insane but once we realized that we've been inhabiting the very perspective of one such inmate we recognize them as human and in a way i do think maybe maybe scorsese's making some sort of comment about cinema in this in that the charade that dr after khali is putting on at the end of the movie is the very charade of cinema because unlike other visual narrative arts cinema has the ability to bring the audience audience into the character's point of view and that's what this movie essentially does it uses its form like we were just talking about disjointed editing flashbacks exaggerated lighting in color saturation in order to make experience the perspective of an insane person and so i think this question of do you rehabilitate evil is is not only a central question of psychology and psychiatry but one of cinema i mean if you wanna use an obscene example one would certainly not want to see a movie that tells the story of lincoln's assassination from the perspective of john wilkes booth there's no need to redeem him there's no need to rehabilitate that evil i think perhaps the more appropriate example would be nazi them since this movie deals heavily in imagery of nazi atrocities and i think that this is particularly poignant can you talk about people who are dealing with PTSD after world war two and if we consider the film kind of retroactively knowing that teddy what he went through during the war we come to agree with with doctor colleague who believes that once again you should treat patients not judge them so ryan what do you think i don't i think you're foolish it this time jared all right yeah i think that i obviously martin scorsese has dedicated his life to cinema you know and i do think he was yeah like having a lot of fun playing with the form while also kind of doing this commentary on compassion for the worst amongst us yeah 'cause you're right cinemas the only medium that could possibly get you in the mind of a serial killer really good book could too but not in the way that this audio visual experience can i don't know yeah i think you're i think you're onto something yeah i mean what's interesting talk about that i feel like recently like scorsese's been a little bit under fire little bit i sort of depictions of sort of characters and racist and sort of things that they say especially like goodfellas or mainstream and whether or not by having these sort of bad guys savy's things is he endorsing their world views and i mean that's interesting that yeah no no no not at all but there is something to like scores as made it made his career of like having sort of you know troubled protagonists or anti heroes goodfellas taxi driver all these movies where the people that are on screen are not really very good people but we are as an audience we're supposed to empathize with them and sort of understand where they're coming from and so that fits into that sort of theory especially yeah i mean bringing up goodfellas goodfellas is a ride as much as it is a moving i mean when you see that ah steady cam shot of him entering the club and he's going through the back doors and paying off all the doorman and we are in her perspective we are so impressed by the majesty agility of this man who seemingly knows everybody has unlimited connections unlimited power and yeah i mean i don't think you could make an argument that goodfellas was or casino or any of those movies doesn't glorify it does lifestyle i mean that's always been the scorza criticism even with something like wolf of wall street how that's the best damn we'll talk to them i feel like that one is a bit more ambiguous than the other two now at least casino in goodfellas fellas in that i do think there is some kind of critical edge to the wolf of wall street that i don't think exists in the other two i think they're all kind of critical in their own way but you're right that like the form of wolf of wall street is very much like open ended kind of until the end but yeah i yeah yeah mostly wolf wolf of wall street smart critical us and how we we let someone like jordan into our lives we're still about an anti hero though kind of like you were saying before about all of his movies yeah so do you think that the movie has this kind of balance in the sense that if we have dr collie on one side who says has that i'm not here to judge i'm only here to heal and then andrew or teddy on the other side saying no these people must be condemned is there this balance in the sense that when when it comes to psychiatric patients we should be more we should humanize them and we should treat them but when it comes to nazis we you should just unilaterally condemn them or do you think that do you think that that is kind of just divorced from the nazi flashbacks i mean it's hard art because i feel like the movie almost comes down on teddy side at the end where his argument as you know don't help these people let them you know don't help them at all and at the end of the movie he it doesn't help himself he wants to not remember he doesn't want to be healed healing is not the answer and this movie living in delusion is like die a hero don't live a monster as a as a sense okay so so let's talk about that so he set last last thing he says before he's walked off to be lobotomize which would be worse is to live a monster or die as a good man so i'm assuming he means that living is a monster would be living as somebody who constantly has to revert back to this fantasy of andrew latest or i'm sorry the fantasy of teddy yes and i and then dying a good man is just going to get lobotomize is and becoming a zombie if the rest of your life and we're in agreement that he just chooses to die a good man i think so i think that's the ending of the movie right at least but wait wait it's not it's not him living is a monster now he's going to get lobotomize at the end the movie but he's using using then you're saying he knows that yes i think so but what is he thinks he's doing because he seems to be teddy again so does he think oh i'm just going to give up to the government that's going to experiment on me and then how do we read then if he's not actually andrew latest who recognizes that he has this mental disability ability that makes him go in circles with this identity you know what i'm saying i mean he makes a choice at the end like he knows if they if they if they think he's crazy they're going to lobotomize him so he makes the decision asian to pretend to be crazy so they take away his memories and so he can live out the remainder of his life zombie but not thinking he's a monster anymore okay so it doesn't make a difference whether other if it's him recognizing that he's crazy therefore i'll just die while i guess that doesn't make sense sorry i'm talking i'm talking with search him recognizing that he's not him recognizing as crazy is is horrible for him i think it'd be much happier in his delusions i never got that reading this very interesting actually makes that makes the ending more interesting to me but i definitely thought as all right he's not well let's take out his brain you know like he's he literally slipped back into his fugu state and and yeah i i didn't see it as him having in this you know literally role playing but being smart enough and self aware enough to know what was about to happen to him i felt that's how i read it wait wait you are not saying that he's role playing at the end i think he is i think he's aware of i think he's aware of everything i think he remembers everything i think he's pretending to be crazy at the show is one hundred percent yeah i never even thought about that interesting yeah that last line i've really suggested that like he is very cognizant of who he actually is okay to me you think i agree with you because i think that's what i tripped up on when i said what i'm saying doesn't make makes sense to me the last line was like a paradox like he basically he was saying this true thing that that that applied in in while he was as as the detective as teddy it made sense to him but from what we know the audience and also i'm sorry all right i'm not articulating this well at all basically i think that he at the end was choosing to live as a mom or to live as a monster instead of dies a good man but then they were taking them off to die because in your mind he reverted back to yeah he made the choice to make the delusion he's gonna live in just be like you know even though he's already come out of it before he knows deep down subconscious that he is this monster he would rather just live as the monster underneath you know his skin of his role playing thing detective guy then come to terms with who he is but then they're gonna kill him for that yeah i think i just i disagree i i mean living as the monsour answer would be living with the sins of the past if he was acknowledging that i've i murdered my wife my wife murdered her children because i didn't give her help like that is living as a monster monster that is what being a monster is to him you know dying is a good man is dying as what he was doing before all this crap happened where he was a detective and he was investigating things and he was on the outside of the right that that is you know dying as a good man at least at least wasn't wouldn't dying as a good man being i know i am emma monster i'm gonna go die of sacrifice myself and you know like like become lobotomize d- as the monster as opposed to as you're delusional character you created i would i would argue the lobotomize ing is you know living or dying as a good man dan le that is that is that is that i mean what what more what we're delusion can you have been just being lobotomize not remembering anything not remembering your pass now remembering in your sense like i feel like that is that that's the ultimate out for him from his while muchas yourself yeah i mean yeah lying i mean the movies all about delusions asians so yes it's better to lie to yourself than face reality so it's a tragic exactly so sad i was gonna say it's exactly he's movie we did last week so another thing that i'm going to say bolsters my point about scorsese sese commenting on the power of cinema or the responsibility of cinema is that they're this film is saturated with allusions to hitchcock doc and i did not realize this the first time i watched it but there's actually a great article in the guardian by andrew pulver who points out some of the hitchcock ian in references so one of also before you even say that you know it's based we already mentioned dennis lehane the novel it's it's based off of you know he did like mystic river and then every fucking ben affleck directed movie basically gone baby gone and the town so this is a kind of a prolific pulp novelist that got you know it's him got scorsese kind of doing a hitchcock riff on his novel continue sorry oh no i was just going to go into some of these examples so there's the camera right under the shower head when the water turns on which is pulled right out of psycho oh there's dicaprio peering over the cliffside and deciding that he has to go down slowly just like in north by northwest there's a gun follows its target while affixed to the camera kind of like a video game like we see in spellbound there's a tree smashing through a wall just like in marnie there's dicaprio caprio going up the stairs of the lighthouse is shot like jimmy stewart and vertigo and max von side ou- plays a creepy shadowy nazi that evokes the one in notorious so those are the ones that andrew pulver points out in the guardian but he's also says that there's probably more so if you guys listening know of any other hitchcock references hit us up movies at wisecracked dot CO but if i were to say that there's any greater meaning to this reference to hitchcock doc i mean would you guys you guys are probably the two of the biggest film historians i know would you feel comfortable with the notion that hitchcock ryan you've seen more movies than anyone i know the idea that i'm a film historian would you feel comfortable with the notion that hitchcock hitchcock is the godfather of subjective filmmaking yeah i would say that that's a one one of his many titles you could give him for sure in the sense that he's known as the pioneer of the guy who tried to bring you into either the protagonist mind viewer the antagonists mind view through the manipulation of editing through camera movement maybe he wasn't the first one certainly that would be my only sort of caveat whether or not i feel like there are people before him that were doing similar things but but yes for you know in terms of suspense and you know bringing you into the psyche of damaged characters psycho and frenzy and all these movies i mean that was is not typically done chain not in not in US cinema at least yeah last thing i want to talk about is violence i don't really have much to say about this do think it's interesting how teddy's called amana violence one of the guards even tell them that there's nothing to society accept violence the guy even calls it god's gift to humanity and then one of the crazy patients is paranoid he doesn't want to leave the island because the h. bomb is outside did did you guys other than the fact that you know it's part of teddy psychological profile that he's dealt with all this violence and he's a violent guy was there anything else going around in your mind about this well this does this tie back to your critique on cinema itself i mean another criticism of scorsese is is depiction of a finance to.
"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on Show Me the Meaning!
"Code code wisecracked twenty-five it's october twenty four th through thirty first in austin texas i know we've got some fans in austin so if you wanna meet me there at the austin film festival and meet some writers and do some panels with me check us out go to austin film festival dot com also gonna be lincoln description to get twenty five dollars off a badge hope to see you guys there but without further ado let's get first impressions about shutter island tommy let's start with you what do you think about this movie talking about the first time and recently the first time it's i remember really liking this movie actually i think the sort of cloud a little bit the reaction to the movie was a little bit muted i didn't have like super high expectations even though it was marty scorsese's and i went to it and i was really impressed i was like what does everyone talking about this great the second time around i was a little bit more my my reaction was a little bit more muted i still think they are great things in this smooth there's so many great shots seen with leo and michelle williams that he's creating on her and the ashes are falling it's one of the breath-taking as you know the scene where the papers flying and he's looking at the dead nazi all those scenes are just wonderful it's got a great gut punch of an ending but the middle the middle act the second activist movies like really it it keeps going very episodic and it keeps repeating itself i found myself like get to the lighthouse leo this is all right ryan what about you i kind of had the opposite experience is tommy the first time i saw this movie i was super site because it looked like it looked like scorsese kind of getting a little out of his element doing a true like i don't even know what a true detective story which he hasn't really done and and a mystery r- rather but i kind of had a very big i roll at the end of this movie the first time i thought you know like when it finally is revealed about about what's going on and then and yeah like so the first time i saw it i i don't think i left kind of with little bitter taste in my mouth but then the second time this is only the second time i've really seen it and so i kind of watch the whole thing knowing the ending and i liked it way more honestly i i kinda saw what he was doing the misdirection hughes he he was giving the whole time and kind of made me realize how well structured the movie is whereas the first time i just experiencing it and it's i was really into the movie up till the end you know i i i did i did like it and then i thought it kind of deflated at the end i to me i think my big takeaway the second time using it just how like scorsese obviously is a master but any and he has every element of filmmaking like under control like except i think writing is the a big it can go either way you know because he doesn't write a screen plays but so his movies are always well-directed but it's only as good as the writing and when you literally at the end of your third act and you're having been kingsley spell out what just happened to you on a fucking chalkboard i don't think that is good writing or didn't see it it doesn't come off that way it comes off as like just a whole lot at once or just the ending is just i don't think well executed at all still and so that's kind kind of my main takeaways from the movie there's a whole lot of monologue ing and this movie ak leo goes from a character actor to character actor as they monologue at him it's it's like jack haley patricia clarkson ted levine and ben kingsley for the show stopper but yeah i had the same experience as is ryan actually actually ryan we saw this together we saw opening night at AMC in burbank i think with a whole bunch of our fellow classmates and i also who didn't like it for the first time i saw it i just thought it was too obvious spoilers by the way we're going to talk about the ending but basically by the time the storm ruined their clothes and they i had to put on the clothes of the patients i was already wondering if leo was a patient and there's an hour of movie left after that happens and so i was frustrated because because i felt like all i was supposed to get out of it was this big fight club essex twist of OU the the perspective that you've been shown throughout the movie is a false one and i think that was just such a letdown but similar to ryan going into the second viewing ten years later knowing that i appreciate it just how eerie the movie is how well put together it is of course dicaprio great as always my favorite part the mahler section were standing over the dying nazi what's he guard is amazing and yeah i i think i've grown to appreciate what drew scorsese to the script 'cause i think you have to in a time you know fight club and a beautiful mind and all these movies that have these perspective twists where something or someone isn't real or there are delusions at wi i would filmmaker especially one like scorsese who could seemingly do anything that he wanted to be attracted to a movie that functions on a conceit that that is so overdone why would he do it and i don't know we'll get into later i think i've maybe figured it out but i have come to appreciate this movie and think that it's actually quite interesting listing so without further ado let's go into a recap in one thousand nine hundred eighty four marshals teddy daniels and chuck owl allu- something something arrive at shutter island a mental hospital for the criminally insane to investigate the escape of a patient named rachel solano after interrogating the patients and staff half and being denied the access he requires teddy comes up empty handed meanwhile teddy experiences visions from the horse he saw liberating daqiao during world war two in a vision teddy's deceased wife tells him that rachel is still on the island upon interrogating the patients further he mentioned the name of the person responsible for his wife's death andrew andrew latest and comes to believe the patients are hiding his whereabouts on the island after further thought teddy and chuck come to believe the island is a front for top secret government experimentation experimentation on patients rachel is found but due to a storm teddy can't get off the island teddy has more visions of him helping rachel kill her kids and end of his deceased wife telling him to find and kill andrew latest when the backup generators go out teddy goes into the high security prison and finds george his contact who told him about latest george tells them that this whole thing is a charade put on for him teddy tries to get to the lighthouse where he believes andrew is being held unable to to reach it he meets the quote unquote real rachel solano in a cave who confirms his suspicion of government experimentation parents when ted he goes back to the hospital doctor dr kelly tells him that his partner chuck doesn't exist he came here alone thinking they're experimenting on him he heads to the lighthouse where dr collie reveals teddy that he's been a patient for two years and that he is really andrew latest and he invented the identity of teddy to distract them from the fact that his wife drowned their our kids and he killed her in retaliation the investigation into rachel solano was a last ditch effort to rehabilitate him through role playing before they have to lobotomize him andrew confronts his delusions but soon after we see him identifying as teddy once again where a group of orderlies lead him away presumably to be lobotomize d- end of movie our guys before we go on wanna give.
"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on Beats and Eats
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"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on Beats and Eats
"Use the telephone more back in the day than probably the mobster all I can think of Jimmy Conway Conway in the scene from goodfellas where where we find yeah the telephone booth over right outside the cafe when they were forced to use it pay forms because everything was tapped. My father still thinks his phones are tapped tie. I doubt if there's ones are still tapped. Nobody's been listening for forty two years. Dad Table. I'll go to say dad. I smoked pot. ooh. Dad Come on no one. You really think those old those those. Those guys who are listening back in the sixties are now ninety stolen van listening come on school. What are you GonNa do absolutely but you know it's fun to think back on the pay the phone and using payphones I remember using phones getting to the gangsters man. All I can think of is is is Jimmy Conway knocking over the booth breath. When Tommy gets hit he thinks he's GonNa go get paid and he gets hit and these guys are back. Nick these guys yet again so we've got Al Pacino. We've got Joe Patchy any Robert Greenlee. No she's not screaming and I was watching casino the the other day again. I can't never get old to me casino but Scorsese is doing the Irishman a story that honestly Disley Nick. It's coming out when is coming out in November two weeks two weeks have the industry on Netflix. I'm trying to figure out if it's I think it might be in cinemas tie. It's just a netflix production. I think you're right. I was going to be in cinemas. You people are considered considering the Oscar contender but you got these three Pacino Deniro and patchy together power forget. I tell who people forget was in Scorsese's first mob yeah magic mean streets Yup Yup. He plays plays a person from I think either Philadelphia Crime family. Many doesn't have a lot of ease in the movie a lot but I don't think he has a lot of dialogue to. We always with you but it's interesting that I like a lot yeah I do too. He's been in a Lotta a Lotta great films and just to just a great just a great character character actor. I loved him in Cop. Land in that movie was I love cop land but yeah this is about this is about Frank Sheeran who worked for for the Buffalo Crime family correct yes liberal. You've heard over the years. We've made a lot of references to Piston Pennsylvania Lavinia to right hand I don't know if in in the book they will certainly referenced it often. I don't know if they if they changed the name of the town however ever they did do a lot of filming in Piston I didn't go that I know Deniro. Was There Scorsese. I don't believe Pacino was PECI. Definitely was was zero. Definitely was well. She was from my town so is Russ Buffalo no show of course I know the story was it I believe it and it was Buffalo Lino Nido. Was it not that introduced Sharon to Jimmy Hoffa correct that throw yes yeah very true and I remember Sheeran at the Kit I remember of course we didn't know a bad guy. You know you grow up and we're talking about small count. Go up from the small town. it's not like it is today where were and. I'm trying to say this in a way but if someone's gangster it's a different kind of gangster today. You know immediately a AH kind of penetrates personalized. Let's put it that way. Where as these guys granted I was young but they were around town. I mean it was a small town. Think think about a bronx tale when they're walking outside into bronx the Bronx and there's the cluster of Mafiosi on on the street corner what was what like that so he would always grab a tenuous grabbing a quarter out of the back of your ear and you know are taking any right so these are the the things they do. You didn't think twice about it. now years later obviously. I know what what cheering had at least what he has claimed to have done which is murder Jimmy Hoffa and that's that's that's the premise of of the movie is is Patino you don't play Hoffa shearing ends up killing Hoffa at the order of of Russ Felino so the thing is if you remember the Sopranos Tony goes off into the woods and they the all the mobsters go to this house in the woods and they have a meeting the raided by the FBI and and they're all running through the woods. I do okay so that's based upon Appalachian which is an area in New York. not city in the in the The wilderness of York where they had a meeting of the Godfather to meeting of the five families well. This was the summit for the Mafia and it was rated and they ran to the woods and many many many many people went to jail. I don't think any of the charges doc because they weren't doing anything wrong. At that point. They were having a meeting but the point is you grew up around. You never felt unsafe. Save I can tell you that. We'll let me ask you this with a bronx tale. Remember see would go down to the lounge and work with boy. What was Chazz Palminteri Harry's character. I sorta got my family me. You know what I'm talking about. Minus two exactly middle face there was yeah there a lounge on just like in your city yeah there was a billiard yeah like Russell had a on Main Street and Pitt Ston so when I was growing up they wanted to deport 'em. That was the way that that the. FBI was going out through these guys because you've got to realize this was not the John dotty generation. This was the it was probably between. Let's say Luchino Oh and the hell is Castellano past the Llano right so it was like in between those two. That era says very hush hush that was not you you didn't talk. I mean we saw in the eighties. Now is growing up. I remember that they were all over the news and the papers and that they were trying to deport him Russell Buff Cellino for think tax tax evasion I know try to put them in jail. I don't know why they were trying to deport him to be honest with you but they were trying to deport him and he added a social club downtown pits in there it was attached to billiard and in the the windows were signs protesting that that movement to to deport him. I also I remember one time coming in so I went to school how God probably a half a mile from main street so we would walk down to me Taco so it wasn't that long ago high school so tenure thirteen years ago. You walked down to wait a minute now. I'm sorry twenty. I'm older than I think twenty so you walk down. Walk down the hill and you'd it'd be right there on the street. So you know kids especially in that time. When goodfellas was how you know you you didn't realize that these were really bad guy yeah in reality and and you found it to be romantic right so you heard rumors and stuff so me and my buddy. I won't his name but another pies on another Italian. Oh you kid we go down there. Let's go play pool because you'd be able to go in there and play pool again. They would be in the other room. You don't playing cards or whatever so we go down and I'll never forget it. the door was locked so anthony the kid. I was with bangs on the door and I won't mention the name but big big type zone tanning comes. The doors were closed smash. The door was shut since thought what the hell was going on. Now Hassle was already dad so it wasn't that but what was going on in there. I don't know but they didn't every other time. It was okay to go in there but yeah I mean there was a world l. Billiards so there's a guy named Steven Latour who is an Santo Volpi who they were like the head of that crying and not a mafia expert like just literally grew up in this town so they were the head of that family prior to Buffalo and they had right on means pits in there was Latour's and Volpi billiards pulls you know and it was like throwback back then I mean it was like going back in time. It's Sunni. I would not think of Pennsylvania so I'm kind of learning this as I go while an owner. We're going to do the show I just did not know. Pennsylvania was a a big very area but it makes sense right a lot of trucking to coal mines union only trucking coalmines union well my great grandfather he owned owned and five on the biggest coal mine in the coalmines nobody on the biggest coal mine in the biggest vein of answer sir shape in the country which was running through northeastern. Pennsylvania and so you know unfortunately that that billion dollars didn't trickle down to my generation but there was a time when they were very very wealthy so yeah he was a union buster right down to Hollywood. I mean he did stuff out in Hollywood for for the actors unions where you know. Let's yeah so that was he was union breaker mansard. That's pretty much what he did in but he owned coalmines so I'm trying to Parse. My words built but it was very very very well first of all. There's a heavy heavy concentration of emigrant immigrants because the coal industry I started out with the Irish where our area in northeastern APA was also really known for the Molly Maguire's tires which was like the the Irish mafia prior to the Sicilians coming over a very very large group of of immigrants Greece from Sicily settled in a section of Piston called Oregon will now. There's no Italians living there. It's mainly still immigrants. I don't know if they're legal or not but there's there's mainly immigrants living there now but they're just not Italian but growing up you because as you as the families that group that settled in the Oregon Section Piston as they moved out mente made a big write off. They're moving out so when I was a kid head like my grandparents generation. When you go to toast at a holiday you would always extend origin? Tondo which is like you know years. See your wish your one hundred years of good success we also say Oregon your toasting to was and where you were where you now are and that section of Pinson Hinson was probably a mile away from Russell's lounge office slash lounge crazy crazy crazy crazy. Do you know of Sharon spent spent time there at that lounge oh he did yeah. What do you think of the idea of casting Deniro is Sharon considering. I guess he's GonNa Play Sherwood from age twenty four to eighty. Yes doing the I I think I I've only recently start to. We'll investigate the movie. this movie had been talked about for decades and really I. I knew it was going to happen when somebody sent me a so like I texted maybe a a year and a half ago pictures of Russell and they were obviously stock photos from the movie promos so they had the real luxeuil and then they had petchey next on the real Pacino are the real hot button and Pacino next one right okay so I know it's going to happen so now. I'm like how the hell are. They going to do this if it ends around Hopper's death which I don't know if that's the case or not I would assume it ends things around Sheeran staff because she on his deathbed is when he he's he he he said I'm. I'm not saying that he did it but he said that he killed Jimmy off the command of a bus so I'm GonNa do this. It'd be doing a lot of research on that so I found out that it's literally. The budget is the largest ever for a film of that genre. It's like hundreds hundred of millions of dollars mainly because they use CGI so the interesting thing was scorsese. Obviously we know his style of directing his pictures has always seemed to have that same non-digital Greenie visuals rate and they're beautiful and and I'm thinking how Scorsese GonNa Handle CGI well..
"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on The Empire Film Podcast
"Going who pressure to be man and again scorsese fame and the place in the end is so moving and went on the ride is amazing she plays his wife uses kind of engine simile very lovely she's absolutely scheming in berlin i had a certain critical reevaluation as well as i do remember when it came out people weren't falling over it but again over the years it seems to me to become movies that people kind of almost forget the martin scorsese directed always announced coming out on criterion collection yeah so there's no greater honor freely for film for for the rock and armageddon to be joined by one hundred them so yeah maybe he's now time to for people to revisit that three hours isn't a member being three hours yet yeah just under that okay age of innocence dan anything surprised on your list everybody talks about so on it's in the last session of christ king comedies number two like really okay is that is when the five that with with ega ega by process elimination you can probably guess what are i don't know is shut to ryland surprising to have on my list i would say so awful that was great fun terrific scrape funny small so he's inception really enjoyed the ruffalo india and everything is better for having in it does he help out you have my curiosity now you know have my attention sorry no i sorta i let it be worthy of tan but then again i think there's a purely guided by sentiment i put after hours on my top ten yep as well which i think is a really interesting film but it was a there was a time i mean he made after hours and then he made color of money i think the caller money was his next movie lenny makes less than christ which obviously very personal movie they'd be wanting to make ages color money's speed a strange almost the old one out amongst those it doesn't really seem on the surface of it all.
"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on The Empire Film Podcast
"Okay so chris you go into through empire did you go into scores he's for empire but i my first memory of scorsese film is seeing the trailer for after hours attached to a copy of something so probably terminator aliens or something like that and just being quite wanna see that film i saw scorsese films before it was aware of scorsese yeah so you growing up as inventor aware of taxi driver but i'm not sure that i was aware of scorsese in the way that i was aware of spielberg when i was when i was growing up so i think i saw after hours and the color of money before i knew martin scorsese was so probably the first score sese film and i saw knowing who's cortesi was it probably was goodfellas because i was sort of sweet spot and i had parents who were really really laissez faire with what i watched and they didn't mind i was thirteen or fourteen when it came out and jess i just i just rented it and watched it so probably would have been at an end from there i have very very strong memories watching taxi driver for the first time thinking you want this guy's pretty good from for me he seems to be the filmmakers filmmaker does seem seem fair he seems to be if you asked most directors i would say especially to campus living directors to their favorite living directors i would imagine the most if you spielberg jackson right go right to the real influences on them you know it would be scorsese.
"i. martin scorsese" Discussed on The Empire Film Podcast
"Yeah but i've had them turn the heat down to so we're going to be talking about martin scorsese in this one start over the nice very very simple thing he's he's pretty good isn't he he's all right few into that kind of thing like good film amazing like your what was your introduction discourse as a when did we i went marty scorsese i'm going to call them ardila way through of men and once i'm titled when when we first meet marzi marty scorsese when did we i bring them into our lives i i met moscow sese i love stevensville contorts lucas and they were movie brats and he was the movie brats so i was reading about him and my dad i was thirteen years old and my dad put me in an overcoat and took me see raging ball to try to get me in the hallway wrote i didn't happen but we try it again again again i saw so i'm an earlier wall relatively early doctor okay so remember the first one you actually got the see yeah mean streets would have been on on on video okay yeah mean streets that's a good start terry what so no hard over coats trying to get actually i did that once for the delinquent okay and i was only younger are now this is tikey relevant but i had i had a massive perm don't i thought poem when the colder and i got in the delinquent delinquent school sese that's the first on negative nation in the same conversation i i got scorsese via my brother which is actually how i got into most violent films i think i've podcast before about my love of violent movies and actually good fellows was the one i i saw and she widely close for by cape fear and i have a big love of mobster movies movies and so i i mean goodfellas as well the soundtrack completely hooked me in i'm a big fan of goal groups of that kind of air.