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NEW Fun, Inspirational & Motivational TV Show for BOOMERS! - Daily Reset 4 Success 4/17/20
"Welcome to the daily reset for success. Show our time together as full of fun and laughter as topics based on resetting our lives living happier and healthier increasing our prosperity our love and our outlook on life. We invite you to join US almost every day. Feel free to join in on our other natural curiosity channels on your favorite podcast APP Youtube and in our group on facebook. You can find the links on the website natural curiosity dot life. Or if you're in the business you can join us on patriotic. Hello Happy Day. This is the daily reset for success. Show my name is Maryanne Lasalle and I have two people. It will be joining me today. One is lady Liu and the other is Earl Hurd and earl happens to be the owner of big media solutions which is creating a brand new television show. This show is about boomer is called the boomer connection and they're going to be interviewing and doing stories on people that are over fifty who are doing great and wonderful things in the world. So I'm really excited to have this opportunity to be right at. The beginning of this show is going to be a wonderful opportunity. Not only for us but for the people that they're they're presenting to us they're going to be shining the light on people that are just doing great wonderful things. Oh so we have a couple of people in the audience already. Good Morning The first person I want to say hello to this Jodi. Good Morning. Jody how are you good to see you? If you are dressed and ready to go you can pop in here with me if you like. My Co hosts are Temporarily disposed so. It's okay I wanNA tell you a little bit about this. Oh hold on one second. Let me give her the information. 'cause she says she can come in. And how about that? Some GonNa give you the invite tag all right. Jody Just go to your facebook and I'll put it in the Just put it in the Messenger. Alright saw Jodi just goes to messenger she clicks on the lake and I could add to the show about that and I can always do that if you want to be on our shows. Well we don't have a scheduled program you're more than welcome to come with us. Okay so I want to tell you a little bit about this new show. I'm excited about it. I remember real TV. You remember that. They were doing similar. Things were interviewing and they were going around the whole country trying to find people who were doing wonderful things passed. I think sixty and so this is an opportunity for us to shy all right so boomer connection is the name of the TV show and it's a half an hour weekly show on And I'm not sure exactly the television stations. That are going to pick them up. But I know already right here in the Houston area channel. Thirty nine is going to be picking them up. So we're GONNA sue so exciting because it's right here in my own backyard But then it'll be national after that and I know that they've got television stations Contacting them right and left trying to figure out if they can offer this program to their viewers so millions and millions of people are going to be watching the boomer connection. Tv show. So I'm just I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled. They're gonNA have a stories they're going to have information. It's going to be an ongoing opportunity for us to grow live a happier healthier and more prosperous life. And isn't that what this is all about? Natural curiosity has always been about the same thing. So we have a great alignment. So I'm just GonNa read to some of the things that they have I have another spring over here and I'm on looking at some of the information they're giving us. It's called boomer connection for seniors by seniors. Isn't it great is not going to be some young whippersnapper. Telling us what we should know as a boomer. No it's going to be US boomers. And we're going to be interviewing end and giving you what we like if you go to the movies and you look at the lineup. It's usually yacht. I come young whippersnappers and they call us boomers. Okay boomers and that's okay. We like different things you know. We're just we're just up. Somebody asked me the other day they said Marion. Do you feel old because you know you're sixty two years old. He feel old and I thought now but I feel mature. I don't feel old. I feel mature which means I've gotten out of the roller coaster of raising the children and all the hormones and off now and just calm. Now just calm and I'm feeling good okay. So that's the people that are going to be bringing us the information an interviewing those people boomer connection. Tv is a half our weekly television series that shares fun inspirational and motivational experiences of seniors. The baby boomer generation and beyond. Ooh What's beyond? Let's be on boomers. Somebody no okay. Now there are over. Seventy four million baby boomers and beyond tell me what that means beyond. What's beyond baby-boomer living in the United States okay? So that's just the United States. Seventy four million seniors had the largest disposable income level of all the age groups while we all knew that the over fifty plus age group holds seventy five percent of all the personal wealth. Wow that tells you something. Seniors want brands to provide content. That is educational informative and more than just entertainment. That is true. I love my entertainment okay. I Love Youtube I love. I love television but it's it's more than entertainment for me. I love watching a Nova. If you experienced in watching Nova you understand that there. They dive deep into the world. Our environment the animals that live with us all the different plants and things that we've done to the planet and things that are that we hope for our planet so I love. I love that that they're going to give us more than just entertainment to me. It's all entertainment that okay all right so basically I think what they're looking for right now since their brand new is a way for sponsors to help them with the income they need to create more and better and pay people. You know. There's a lot of staff involved in a television show. Let's face it. So there looking for sponsors. So if you know somebody who wants all those millions of eyeballs contact us and I can give you down in the description. I can give you all the information that you're going to need in order to get a hold of them. If you have an idea for a sponsor or you own a company or work for a company that you think would be great on this then. Let's hear from you because I really want this to be a success and I walked the sponsors to be really good quality will. Good Morning Sandra Fry. How are you this morning? Sandra if you're ready and your hair is just right and you can get on television right now. Then let me know and I'll let you in because our our guest today are are running late. And it's just me so. I'd be happy to have young if you're like me and early bird and running and Getcha Herald pumped up already. Just let me know okay. So let's talk a little bit more about baby boomers so you all know that. I'm excited about this new television show. That's coming on and I know a lot of the people that are going to be interviewed and Sanders says if doing great not sure what that means that made you wanna come on or no. If doing great doesn't make any sense. Today's are so baby to me. It's when someone says something derogatory like okay boomer. It doesn't bother me that it doesn't bother me a bit because I know I'm having fun and I feel mature and that's it for me. Guess what our guests are here about that. All right here we go. We're going to bring him out now. Hey Lady Lu. I can't hear you though you're going to have to take yourself off mute so as soon as you can do that. Then we'll be able to hear you so can't hear what you're saying but you're not really saying anything your mouse not moving. So I don't know if you're talking not are we talking now? Earl cannot add on yes. He's here ready in Roset up. No here's here high earls here Earl okay lady lawyer arm. Oh now here you are. It's working it's working. We thought we had one anyway. I'm the baby boomer Babe at our show. The daily reset for success is on. We had a technical glitch. Excuse us but our special special guest today is earl heard. He's the founder and CEO of BIC alliances and. We are so delighted to have him here to talk about his new. Tv show called boomer connection. And I know Marianne has already given you a little background on it before I got here. So era lists say hello to you and come and tell us a little bit more about yourself and how you got started with boomer connection TV the audio real real bad who it is and your lips aren't moving. I can hear you just fine earl. Go right ahead. Can you hear me okay. It was it was breaking up audio breaking bad but it's fine now hear just fine. How are you this morning earl up? About centered okay. Need there what you create your great. You're live on television right now. So we're just GONNA go for it and tell us all about your television show. We'll do all right. Well thank you very much. Yeah tell you got start okay. Well My name is Earl Hurd and I'm the founder and CEO of a company called the BIC alliance our main business's Publishing Bic magazine which is for the oil and gas business. But I've been involved in television in videos for over. You know almost forty years I used to do it when I was training manager. No all businesses but Lay in two thousand five. I got into publishing custom. Books and doing movies are starting to the movies in two thousand thirteen and then I Started into Tv shows and this is the third one up produced that produced up one call Rock bottom and back and I did another series on Christian networking and this one is a boomer connection in. It's a series for seniors by seniors. So That's how I happen to get started. We love it. That's brilliant. Errol the go ahead Marion and leadoff right earl. I talked to you before and one of the questions that I didn't get out that I'm really curious about is. Why did you decide to serve boomers? Well that's a good question Mary. I'm seventy seven years old and When I researched the boomer market I found that it's the baffle bar. The one of the largest audiences out there about seventy eight million people above sixty five about one hundred ten above fifty The very fluent the market and we watch television about four times more than other people. But when you look on TV it very under served. There's no really TV stories for people our age but the vital things that we need to know like health fitness. You know succession planning Even though we're not traveling now we like to you know learn about travel and I always like to learn what other people are doing so I can Try Myself if it's something interesting but there was nothing there so I said well I have a passion for helping people and I want to help seniors. The enhanced their lives to the fullest but also get younger generations to understand The seniors more. So that's why I did it. Thank you thank you for that. Well Earl We are so excited about your upcoming launch. Which is going to be April. The twenty fifth on Channel. Thirty nine in Houston. Can you tell us a little bit about the series? Who's on it? Well I've got. Each theories is thirty minutes long. And it's got four interviews each of about five minutes five to six minutes and We've got well the hint Henry Moore. Who's written several books? Seize on the show. Hey boy hey four. And then Zima The lady that's the Garrison Stop Yeah yes. She's on there and then I've got a Dave mccade who founded the sailing angels. It's a senior group that takes disabled people out sailing and John Bird that launched the oilfield Christian Fellowship. All these people. Are you know seventy plus and trying to make it really interesting but not just not just about their life but things that we need to know like read my collect offline He's speaking about Fitness you know for people. Ira so It's very very helpful. we've already shot two episodes and they're going to start on channel twenty twenty Junior CW thirty nine on April twenty fifth in the second May Up Come on up. Tv Nationally. And in mid-may I just signed the agreement and we're going to go on the dove channel which reaches over thirty million homes across the country so yeah momentum is picking up the main thing which. I really appreciate. Both of you doing this. What we need to do is we need to let more people know so. They can tune in not only tune in but I have been asking for sponsors because the more sponsors we have good quality sponsors. The more we can do the more we can reach people out there all over looking for this type of a material. This is like you said in your synopsis. It's not just entertainment so when I go and look for television shows. I'm interested in things that are going to teach me things that are not only going to entertain me but also give me information like you said health. Health and fitness is big for someone that's Boomer we need to take care of ourselves so that we feel good. You know nobody. Nobody thinks about it. When they're young. They always feel good right. Well I'm glad you mentioned that Mary Where we are. We've already got the funding. You know to produce the first two episodes and sponsor but we do have to have more sponsors because without the sponsors than we can't get the production and the outcast me. Personally I'm not trying to make any money off of you know the show. I just want to try to break. Even so I can produce more more episodes and it's even more challenging now with the Corona virus you know is become a bugaboo for a lot of us because we're SORTA HOUSEBOUND. So that's why we're going to look forward to your show because we'll have something really good for boomers to watch finely and you're so right Thing about it. We all interested in the virus you know but at the same time. You get Viewer Fatigue. Watch too much of it. I found that I limit the news. Watch that so I don't get Try to keep our spirits up and So what are we not only trying to do? Is Give people more varieties but something that's more wholesome and now that they can Put into effect in their own life. Little simple things like there's so many things that are not council Hata where we eat at what we watch on television. The books we read you know and we've got to Our country is going through several things. Of course the virus or all prices are down but we basically have a choice happiness and who will listen to what we read all affect our Our own attitude. That's what I'm trying to make it more positive and upbeat. You're doing a beautiful job because Marian and I've already seen episode one at. We are thrilled with it. Our dear friend Red O'laughlin as you spoke of who does the health books on longevity was on there and everybody has done a beautiful job that you've interviewed and the production quality at its top notch. Well probably calm here in Houston has helped co produce and of course gail did a good job are up. You know on camera talent Cato. What what we plan on doing is other. Co hosts far future episodes so Who knows we might be giving you ladies. We love it or cause. We love your show. It's amazing that you came up with this beautiful idea and we're so thankful to you for that. It is wonderful now if people want mud if people want to reach you they can go to bic. Bic ALLIANCE DOT COM and there's just a wealth of heard earlier at bickel lunch dot com but also on the screen and show boom connection dot TV. They can learn all about it. Exact Times that the show zone and our contact information and we're not just looking for sponsors. We're looking for nominations from the audience. The Way I kinda envision this it's GonNa be kind of like a combination of the old. Tv show this is your life loud on top of that on top of that You know like America's funniest videos where people submit their idea. We're hoping people will submit nominations and even better videos of singers. Oh got some obvious audience members who are saying things on the side so I just want to let you know that. Everybody's thrilled about this earl. Mary Shin is a baby boomer. Who Lives in an RV and travels the country? And I just have now story three stories. We interested in like just happen to know that she lives in an RV. And she's in Florida right now but she should travels around depending on the weather and depending on what is what she's interested in doing and so high. Mary were just A. We're talking about you. Yeah she says she's grateful for this information and I understand that because when I go to television to look for something I I'm attracted to things like Nova and things that are going to not only entertain me but teach me things about my community about my world and I appreciate what you're doing for US boomers because when I go and look at. What's on like say when the theaters opened up again? It's all these whippersnappers stuff. That's what I call it. You know I don't really want to you. Know go to a movie about a Bang Bang. Shoot 'em up you know and I just really want good content. So I'm thankful will let me come at about dead even right now if somebody goes to the television set and they for example they WanNa Watch my TV series rock bottom in back which Danny trae host co host where they can watch it on the dove channel. And I believe it's on to be and then some of our other movies I just noticed where The Movie Gift Horse which is available on Cross flicks on. Can't you know on TV regular channel if you ask for that is one of the two most popular Movies inspirational movies being played on Cross flicks right now. So we're hoping What we're hoping is that we can get people not only in Texas but stories like one of our stories this Guy John Ericsson and it was actually shot be rose everything and provided by DB M films out of the Baltimore. So my vision is this is the cumulative effort that Everybody gets involved in everybody benefits from Paris. Oh Earl where we're just so excited don't know what to do and I've already got a friend in mind. I think would make a good interview for your show. So I'll send along his information. Okay so as an audience member. If you're watching this right now. I want you to know what we're looking for and I want you to be able to contact us to make sure that url gets what he needs in order to make this a success so we're looking for sponsors and we're looking for good quality content from seniors because this is forcing your spicing years. So if you have a friend or you know someone that easy. They're going to want to sponsor this show or that has a wonderful opportunity to share what they're doing. Then let us know because we want to give earl everything he needs to make this a success because that means it's a success for all of us and we like win win win. Don't wear all ego. Well my goal. I'm glad my goal is by the end of the year to be into eighty million two hundred million hawk. We're about that that way there. And so far have self funded everything. Don't expect to get back my initial funding. But I do need help. Moving forward and So we've got some wonderful packages for co-sponsors to where they're not only just one You know on one episode but they could own two or three and if they have if they like we've got this one spots or but they're also in like the home care business so they make a great sponsor but they also make great Coupled interview Oh beautiful beautiful. You won't have any trouble. Finding people to be on your show I know is the world is so full of interesting. Seniors are wisdom just never ends because we've had all that life experience I three mentioned this too That I think is very important for your audience. Essential Sponsors There's a saying that in in In good times is a great time to advertise. But in bad times it's essential and they're going to be certain markets for even right now the medical industry you know the Food Industry and seniors this ten thousand people a day becoming sixty five years old so that TV audience is going to go up and Those that serviced th. This audience are I think I'm going to have a clear path of opportunity If they sees it so the and I'm not doing something that I'm not asking people to do something that I'm not doing myself. I'm getting ready to run Three print ads in the chronicle. You know this coming Saturday next winched in Friday leading up to the TV. Show start Starting Saturday next Saturday and then of course. My old vic magazines the largest multi industry energy magazine in North America. We run in full pages and people can read it online anywhere. So we're not just talking the talk. We're walking the walk when it comes to taking the lead advertising uniform Well we need more people like you and I know they're out there so I hope they're watching and we're going to share all of this with everyone we know and I know the folks watching now and on the replays will also join in and help you share what you're doing yes. Please let me know how we can help you with your broadcast to get more people. If you let me know how people can access it We'll be happy to post it on our boomer connection TV's Dot TV wonderful. Thank you we will make sure we get that to you. So Marianne say again though. This has been a true honour. Not Thank both of you. Well thank you for being here earl and we apologize for the little technical glitches but we got to hear it. We're so pleased. Thank you for being here so I very much. Thank you lady. Liu appreciate everybody watching this and who was able to come on our show today. 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Boomer Connection TV Show - Daily Reset 4 Success
"Welcome to the natural curiosity podcast. We are live on Youtube and in our facebook group with two shows, wisdom chats for the curious and daily reset for success. Be sure to visit our videos, so you can see what we look like and be sure to say I. Today's episode is the daily reset four success. Now enjoy the show. Hello Welcome. Did you have somebody in the Navy Lady. Air Force. report. To show today. We're glad that you're here and you know. We're really glad that we are here. As well are duly reset for success. Series is here to help us all reset our lives, so we can live a healthier happier more creative and don't forget prosperous life. And today with me is my co host laid low the baby boomer, Gabe Good Morning. David Bloom obeyed. Hi, how are you today? Marrying I I should Nasdaq is. You're always wonderful. Yes even in sleep very well last night. which is so unusual for me. I have a bed went. God. Right. Reason I'm a morning person and I just love it and I just I. Don't know why I'm just happy. You know. I'm just a happy person in the morning now in the evening. It doesn't mean I'm not happy. It just means that I. Low Key I'm not as Nancy. Well we love you in the morning. No matter what and evening you're just wonderful to. Will today. Our show is all about the boomer connection. TV, show and our guests will be here in just a minute. His name was hired ives in he is, he is a mover and shaker. He loves connecting people. He's my Kinda guy he really is. Really, interested in not only the boomers, what also? He's interested in connecting people together. Who can help each other? He keeps people inform. He's just he. Just you just a great guy and so I can't wait for you to need him. Very is. Is Hello. Hi And so he's going to be working on his audio so as he's working on his audio lady Liu and I. We're GonNa, talk about the connection because we both are involved in it, lady. Tell us a story about how you got in adduced to the boomer connection TV show. I got interviewed. Now introduced in. Excuse me I want my ear quit. Well actually I guess it was high, and you introduce me to him. And then he introduced both of us to all heard. He is the wonderful man behind big media, and vic forgot the whole big name, and it's a huge organization and. Has This television series that they're producing locally. You're in Houston and it is fantastic thing because it's. Four boomers by boomers so. We folks who are boomers get to be on this show. and they already had two episodes have aired, and they did a third one that will come out in July of this year and them so forth win in McCain as they say it will come out, probably August. They haven't released the date yet. Channel thirty nine CW thirty nine in Houston and we're so excited about it. Because Marian was interviewed in the third or the fourth episode Marianne for. Marianne will be in the fourth episode. We're so tickled that he got interviewed for this show, but she's a boomer. She's got her story. And that's what is about stories about boomers who have career who have maybe travel and make a a life out on the road or whatever boomer do when they do retire from a job job, or if they go and find something else like Marian and I do. We don't ever intend to retire from anything. We just keep on finding the next thing to do. So tell us a little bit about your experience at the studio Marion Okay Hi, Um, can we hear here yet? No, okay, so he's still working on a sound and that's okay. We'll just do the show with him smiling Addis. Okay so the boomer connection. TV Show is very interesting to me because when I turn the TV on as a boomer, a Lotta Times I see. Let's face it a lot of race, pars and a lot of Like Lot of violence. Oh, lot of murderers and peelings than. who he fought to police stories, lots of lots of stuff going on or the news. Okay, after my choice, unless I go to Netflix, and I can control what I do, Oh, and let's not forget about the reality. TV now so so I. Think the boomer connection, TV, show is really great, because it's based on what we're doing as rumor, so it's hit me. must rumors what we boomers want to see us aren't. Boyce that we can share what we're doing. We're not over the hill yet. You know that they come when we're in her nineties are. Not when rain or sixties and seventies, and and easy I think. there. You're. Very, earn low, but we can hear you. All right. wonderful high at. Thank you for persisting. Oh. It's been doing fantastic job of talking about the BOM connection and. yeah it it it. It's a great opportunity to where where were we started cutting here? Well, let's. Go ahead ladies. Her high and she start if with how you work into this whole thing's because we really didn't do a lot of that. We just kind of give it over view of the TV series. Sure Earl Hurd and it's bit business An industry connection is what the BIC stands for and it. Thirty seven year old magazine that he put together, and it's the backbone of kick alliance, and one of the offshoots of the big alliant is big big media solutions, which puts together. A books Feature films and this television series. And write about January of this year, we decided to make this a reality. And in early February, we recorded the first eight seniors and we had everything from rattled off into Zina, garrison, the tennis pro to hang more, the Pulitzer Prize author and then also people that are giving back John Bird who's the founder of the oilfield Christian Fellowship and another gentleman that it has sailing angels. so the first two episodes broadcast as you mentioned earlier on CW thirty nine. and also on up TV. We got such good feedback that we did a second recording of eight people and that'll be into two episodes and the first one which will be as you said Arie on July, the twenty fifth Saturday the. The twenty fifth will feature the Former head of Shell Oil John Bicester who now heads up the. Citizens were affordable energy. Kim Head would who has a law firm. That's actualize is in senior law. to your law of this is the only lawyers off. That I've ever walked into where inner for years, she has a a stand, it has the the business cards and promotional material all the other lawyers that use her for their seeing your. New. The other called elder care attorneys, and they specialize in it because they have special needs a lot of times there's there's a lot of money involved, and as they get dementia and things like that. People try to take advantage of them and regular lawyers. I don't mean regular lawyers like they're different type lawyers, but. But a lot of times they don't really understand the needs of the elderly and dementia and saw elder care. Attorneys are very needed in this world. And they work closely with. deal with Alzheimer's and dementia and Parkinson's and all of the Fail. Frailties that Tend to be set the older population. The other to the final two people. A gentleman that is unbelievable endless termite Watkins. And where did he get? The nickname termite well is parents ran one of the largest hess controlled companies in the Houston and as a young vibrant young trial it was. and. They termite duct. It became a professional boxer. He was on a down card with Hamad Ali. went to Iraq as a civil servant. Of the people in the tradition in Iraq and out his oxen background and The story of the Jamaican bobsledding team well, it put together the Iraqi boxing team for the two thousand four Olympics. Is is latest claim to fame is that? Survived eighteen days. Later. Courtesy quote covid. Eighteen sixty five year old man around fifty. And so his his presentation. It's going to be paying Ben tastic and then Earl Hurd himself A man that's. been to rock bottom and back. So these these other four people that we will have on episode. Three and we're looking for Boxers and advertisers wanted to get in front of the the boomer market is is One of you mentioned a little bit earlier. The senior population. Of the Ri- watches. Almost four times as much television. As, any, other demographic And their precious little. Programming? Rent! and put together for them. so that's that's the GAC we are filling. With connection. It's just beautiful because we still have a lot to offer. Even though we're in our senior years, we don't give up. We just keep on truckin. Do More and better, and just we've got great ideals, and we have our our. Upbringing her, we were responsible, so we don't WanNa. quit any of that. We WanNA. Keep on going and. Well Perfect example is John Hug meister. Yell when he left Shell Oil, he could have just gone into retirement and just done literally whatever he wanted to do. He chose to start a new company. He charged. He started the a non-profit. Citizens for portable energy. And the information. That his background. Being twitched Shell oil makes him. Impotently, qualified to help solve the problems relative to. Energy production in all four. And not only how to produce it, but what to do with the residue from the various types of production. Something that I did not realize you'll forever. Reaction is an equal and opposite reaction. They built a wind farm or huge wind farm near a forest. And you know 'cause there's lots of wind up. And it's this great place to. This wind fire. They put the wind farm in wind farm work well, but the party started to die. Why did the forest start to die because all of the wind that used to blow through the trees in the forest. And policy things and do things that you're win does enforce. It wasn't there anymore. So the forest was able to function as it normally function. Oh, we we. We got into nature's way and and. To Farrar game and you know ended up causing a problem in another area. So you'll with knowledge like that John and his people are ill. Helping others. Realize and and take into consideration. those kinds of negatives or potential results from what appears to be a positive action. Did they stop the wind farm? Well no I I. I don't know the down That's a good question I don't know the answer to that. Is We shoot WANNA. Kill off our forest. No no absolutely. EPILOGUE! That's fascinating, isn't it? Though I mean these are things we're living our daily lives, and we don't realize some of the things that are going on. We realized that humans have needs and desires, and and sometimes we're stupid. Sometimes we're smart. Sometimes. We just get in our own way. Don't we we never? WanNa hurt nature, however, with more and more people on this planet were trying to figure it out and saw glad that there's people that are out there figuring this out so that we don't harm it any more than we have to. nobody wants that, so thank you okay, so that's that's your series is has has had four different SEASON! Well. We? What would what we're looking to do here is put together a total series of. A mini series on television news is like six episodes of something write. A full series is ten to twelve episodes. the the the networks and the the non traditional network. Ott over the top that that works look to buy a package deal a package of six ten twelve. Programs already put together in episodes so that they can then plug into their schedule. See! That's a good idea. Sell advertising around him. and that that. We are actually working on two approaches for funding. booming connection what is to sell? The series. And unfortunately, most of the time they want the whole thing complete. So what we're we're. We're trying to build a series as we go. But we would, we would sell the whole series to one of the environmental networks on the senior network whatever. The other approach is and that's the one we're working on right now is we have produced episode three? it has four five minute. interviews in it. And the balance of the time. Seven minutes. We'll be or advertising. Yeah what was the bell who who rang the Bell? Postmaster, I have been. You're not to react to. You know things that are happening, but but. All right what what happened with the veil? Well, my daddy years ago, and he built this place the houses so solid that he couldn't hear. People come in the driveway, so he put an air hose out to the driveway, so anybody runs over with their tires. It beings in the hallway. Remember how service stations you have an Air News. That's what that was. It always makes me smile everything near that sound. Like only. Ringer Rice wasn't car. My Gates locked so it must have been my nephew stepping on it or somebody. or or somebody who's on a UNICYCLE? Yeah, maybe I should go out. There's always a dad. So so high at who is on your episode of three. You told us one into WHO's on three now. Yeah the the I the the four people that are on episode three are Hofmeister. hegg would termite Watkins and earl heard. I missed I didn't go into detail on early, but of course he he is the the brain trust behind all of this he's. Seventy seven year old entrepreneur. L. That that's almost a contradiction in terms in many people's eyes, but that's that's you know. He! He wants to give back and his way of giving back. So. He! He's got such a big heart. And we're also obviously. Looking to get sponsorship for episode, three and four, because whoever sponsors episode, three will be getting sponsorship in episode four as well, and that's going to have a Dr Paul Looney. Judy Blake, and and and she is with a family to family family family network. which is one of those groups that helps people. That are dealing with seniors. And Dan Bowden owns a construction company that you know in lieu of me or you paying a hundred thousand dollars to a senior citizen onto allow us to come in and spend. Time with them He he got come into Your House and maybe twenty thirty thousand dollars. Upgraded to where you can stay there. And have all the amenities and so on Then and So that he has done an. Extremely good job there and of course Marion is gonNA. Be the. interview on and we do not have the order Hey, just yet so She may be the first. She made me the last maybe in between, but we have four of them Them episode four so. What we are working for our people don't that the dentists, the doctors, the accountants, the travel agents, the all of the people that are looking to address their provide their product, their services to the senior market and or The market of children of the. Shown if you're if you're seventy eight years old chances are you've got a fifty sixty year old son or daughter? Who are caring for you watching over? You helping you and you need assistance they may not. They're not at the age yet. They're thinking about. Those kinds of things, but now that they're having to do it for their parents. We WanNA. Make it easier for them, so are are. demographic is the fifty five to seventy five. A demographic. Well that's so important. I think the I'm Kinda sure that the figures right that I'm going to say there are seventy four million. Seniors boomers. Let's call boomers from age well. They were born from nineteen, forty six to nineteen sixty four. Then you're considered a boomer and there's seventy four million of us. Increasing by ten thousand a day. Didn't now. Yeah, yeah, well, you do the math. There are some four million now you the. Obviously. Everybody's having a birthday so. It literally ten thousand more day and the. That other statistic it'll while the boomer while the the younger generations, gen-x isn't all the others are going to their IPAD and their phones, and and get everything all of their information, and so on awkward that. Seniors spend. Four Times my and it's almost four hours. In front of a television set. So Unfortunately, too many of the advertise oars have. Chosen To ignore this, the other thing is the other thing is the seniors control almost seventy five percent of the disposable wealth? Back when we were kids, we looked up to the people that were the president of the CEO's in the corporate head because they had the money. Well now they've all retired. Guess what they've taken their money. that. They earned while they were in management positions. They've now taken that money into their retirement. And you know they're buying the the the summer homes the yachts. The you know whatever and and it is so there. There is a a large amount of. Of, what I'm discernible, disposable income. and and if they've come to that, they have total control over and and total. Decision making over that. You know. We're trying to get the. The RV manufacturers the destination. See convention and visitor bureaus the cruise line. To say hey, we. We need to talk to those people and the boom. Connection is a vehicle whereby to do that. I believe that so if you know of anyone who has a business and they could really help the senior. Industry please contact. HIATT is and Hyatt. Tell us how they get a hold of you. Releasing by email. It's high. Spell it. It's a family spelling. It's H. I.. E., T. Hyatt at H., e., T., T. I. V., E. S. dot com. How `bout that that's easy. If my background where where you you you, you're looking at my green screen behind me. I I, literally yesterday, put together a a video. There were have information sitting right over my head the other they can. They can call me at eight three two. Three seven to. Sixty nine hundred. That's eight three to. Seven to hold on hold on. Hold on. Let me let me type it as you're writing. Okay, you're speaking, eight, three, two, three, seven, two, three, seven to sixty, nine, hundred, sixty nine hundred. Wow, that's an easy one to remember I've got it when eighty three to area code with just being introduced and I just buying the phone and. Said Hey you know I'm they normally just give you the next number available. As, they jumped ahead and said. Let me give you. You're starting a new company. Let me give you a business number. So. A lot of people don't know that you can ask for a different number. If like the one they say you supposed to get I have gotten several. That were just so easy that it's amazing. The one I used to have in Houston was seven, one, three, seven, seven, seven, seven, three, seven three. Nobody ever forgot it, so I feel sorry for the guy who got it after I left us. The. Other thing they can do if if they want to look at what the boom connection and it's all about. They can go to boomer connection TV. Dot boomer connection DOT TV. There's a lot of information on that website. Yeah because. Earl Earl, Hurd will be with US next. Thursday at eight o'clock. We're going to interview him again and We just love this gentleman. He is so wonderful because he is in it for the seniors. He you know it's money that spending out of his own pocket right now and now that's why he's definitely looking for sponsors and advertisers because he wants to share this with everyone, it's not just for him as for all of us boomers, so if you know somebody who would be interested in sponsoring or advertising, it would be A. Big Deal because this shows going places. I have a question for you high at this is really interesting. Because I am up boomer, all my friends are boomers, not all of them. Some of them are over the warmer agents. Some of them are younger than me. But I know the needs I know we're not ready to slow down. What ready to maybe retire from the job that we've had all our lives, but we're ready to start doing things and getting out there. Nick being and just you know living. We had another good ten twenty, maybe even thirty years of good life, and so what this show to me is showing us that we don't have to slow. Slow down that we have a life after retirement. We have A. we have a life, even though we're considered a boomerang things that the younger generation I think is now starting to see that we have value, and that we can add value to them in the and the communities, and it's exciting to me to have a TV show that's interested in not only us, but sharing us with the younger generation. I'd give examples of what people can do. most of these people are out of these people that we already interviewed. have gone into philanthropic. Ventures yes. Dave potato with with a sailing angels, foundation and and Marcelo Marini who started Hispanic television here in Houston. It, it's we are giving examples of both what they have done and what they are doing and the different. They are making the difference you and I can make. As a senior going forward like them I mean earl is a perfect example. I mean he says I am a seventy seven year old entrepreneur. He also says I know I ain't GonNa be here. You'll forever so I wanNA turn over what I'm doing to somebody else. I want to inspire others younger than my active seventy seven years on this planet of so that. Each turning some of that over to me. I'm seventy two. But he we were jumped out and give this to the forty s and fifty year old and the twenty and thirty year. Olds you know. Because that forty or fifty year old fifty year old center daughter sees what somebody is doing in in either philanthropic -ly or your starting up another business like John. Hugged bicester did yeah. They can turn to their. You know their thirty twenty thirty forty year old children and say hey, you know if you stick, you're stuck in a job. Get Out of it and do something else do what you love. That's the best part will gosh. Our time is gone again. I've hired I keep calling him lives I. Don't know why. It anyway it works. You're still is right, and anyway we thank you so much for being here today and helping us all understand more about the boomer connection TV series. And Look I'm looking at the the the phone number you do take in the middle three numbers out eight, three, two, three, seven to sixty nine. Also marketing person. Getting touch with me. You gotta give them the right. Did when Marian good. Thank all of you for being here Mary. News very good on her technology slipped Meyer. It happens and thank you again, hives. I miss. Responded as whole pay. Leisure and thank thank you, thank you. And we thank our audience for being to on our daily reset for Success Joe we'll see you later on down the road five. I remember create a fantastic day for yourself I know you. Can I have every faith? By for now. Thank you for joining us for today's show. Remember. Our pleasure to bring you interesting co host an topics. So connect with US often. We're looking forward to the next time together by for now.
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NPR News: 04-30-2020 10PM ET
"Live from NPR news. I'm Jack Speer. Scientists continue to express skepticism. The Corona virus escaped from a lab in China. Even as president trump asserts that it did is. Npr's Jeff Brohm fell explains researchers think origin is far more likely in his latest press conference president. Trump said he was confident that the new corona virus accidentally leaked from the lab and China. He said he had evidence but he refused to share it. I can't tell you I'm not allowed to tell you that. Many scientists who study corona viruses. Do not believe that the cause was a lab accident. Far More likely say is that the virus spilled over from a natural source. Similar spillovers have caused diseases including Ebola Marburg. Moore's and the original SARS virus. The trump administration recently cut funding for research project into possible natural origins of the virus. Jeff Brumfield NPR news Washington near Governor Andrew. Cuomo just days after calling conditions in the New York City Subway System. Disgusting Today defended his decision to keep buses and subways. Running Cuomo's sang. There's no alternative to public transportation at a city. Where so many people count on it without those buses and subways. The essential workers couldn't get to work. Why didn't we just close down? Subways and buses. Because you closed down in the subways and the buses in New York City Don't expect the nurses and the doctors to be able to get to the hospital. Don't expect a delivery worker to be able to deliver food. When you ring on your telephone. Cuomo did announce plans to begin shutting down New York City subway system each day from one. Am to five am to increase cleaning of trains during the corner virus pandemic. It's rare case of trains not operating twenty four hours a day there. That is expected to begin next week. Georgia Governor Brian Camp is sticking with his plans to lift the state shelter in place order tonight at eleven fifty nine. Pm follows recent steps to allow some businesses to reopen for basic operations from member station W. A. b. e. In Atlanta. Emma Hurd has more governor. Kemp thanked Georgia to have complied with shelter in place order. This month saying helped flatten the curve. We were successful in these efforts but the fight is far from over. The governor has renewed a shelter in place order for the medically fragile including the elderly. Through June twelfth people are still encouraged to stay home and social distance. At least through mid May state offices will also remain teleworking until then some public health. Experts have warned that this reopening time-line could cause a second wave of infections and some local officials including the mayor of Atlanta have urged their citizens to stay home regardless for NPR news. I'm hurt in Atlanta. Bitola Corona virus pandemic is having on the US economy shows no signs of easing. That comes amid word today and other three point. Eight million Americans filed first time jobless claims bringing the total number of claims in six weeks more than thirty million on Wall Street. The Dow closed down two hundred. Eighty eight points this is. Npr Tyson foods now says it is temporarily. Suspending operations ended up BRASSICA beef processing plant. That's after corona virus cases turned up there. Tyson says it made the decision after a surge of cases neighboring Sioux City Iowa where it is the largest employer. Tyson says it will close the Dakota City plant tomorrow through Monday before I'm deep cleaning. State health officials have reported hundreds of new chronic buyers cases in the county where the plan is located. Amazon Confirms It. Sales saw a big jump since the start of the krona virus pandemic but the company also says that to spend some four billion dollars on costs related to the health crisis. Npr's Alina Seljuk reports. The company's cost include a massive hiring spree and work on its OWN CORONA VIRUS TESTING CAPABILITIES. Amazon's revenue in the first quarter jumped. Twenty six percent. As more Americans relied on the online retailer for necessities while holding up at home so the company still made a profit but lower than a year earlier. That's because it's costs are stacking up. In fact Amazon says in a normal situation in the next few months it could be looking at making an operating profit of four billion dollars instead all that money will be spent uncovered related measures that includes safety gear extra cleanings temporary pay bump but also hiring and training almost two hundred thousand. New Workers Amazon is also investing hundreds of millions of dollars into developing. Its own corona virus testing. Alina sell you. Npr news national shows a chosen spacex blue origin and dynamics to build the next landing systems will be used to carry astronauts to the moon by twenty twenty four. I'm Jack Speer NPR news.
Boomer Connection TV New TV Series for Seniors by Seniors
"Welcome to the natural curiosity podcast. We are live on Youtube and in our facebook group with two shows, wisdom chats for the curious and daily reset for success. Be sure to visit our videos, so you can see what we look like and be sure to say I. Today's episode is the daily reset four success. Now enjoy the show. Lead in there, it's nice. And we're on the air. Hi, everyone. We're so glad you're here today. We have a wonderful guest back with us. Mr Earl Hurd Hello Earl. We're so glad to have him back, so let me also introduced Marian my co-host. Mary enlists Sal. Say Hello Marion, Hello Mary. I love it, but she does that. We're bright and cheerful today, and looking forward to more and more wonderful things to happen in our lives, and I know you are too, and this is daily reset for success show and we're live four days a week, and we'd love to come in and bring new guests that have wonderful things that can help us thrive and survive if we will this time and create better people within that are self esteem better whatever and today earls going to be talking about his wonderful program. He hasn't TV series called the boomer connection so earl. How about if you give us a little brief? On who you are, and how you came to be the half of the boomer connection. Thank you, Marilyn. ordered my main businesses ONA. Industrial. Magazine called BIC magazine. And I've been doing that for about thirty seven years, but in the last fifteen years I've expanded into. Inspiration face friendly up. and. Move these been doing movies and TV now for eight years and I'm seventy seven years old and one of the. When you get to be a senior that so many things you have to learn on your own. The wellness. You know so many seniors like I think seventy, four, seventy, eight million. Above sixty five I've about a hundred and above fifty five. About TV. Show a bass seniors forcing so that's what I've been doing for the last seven months. And it's wonderful. We're on episode three now. When is that one due to air? The next one is going to air on July. The twenty fifth on Channel Denied A. IF YOU GO TV you know, you have cable, thank. It's like three zero five, but if you can you know it's pretty easy to find. Anna is GONNA. Be At eleven am on the twenty fifth. Let, down thirty, nine Saturday as I remember. Yeah tell us who you have. Yes eleven am so tell us who who the list There's I know. There's four people on that show. Can you give us a brief rundown on each of them? Well the four on the first show or Kim Hedge. cameras with a law firm that special. In senior related law. Dress accessions. He's got a very large staff. You want the biggest in Houston, and she's GonNa. Be Speaking on information pertinent to same youths and caregivers that care six years. And then the next perse, who these heavy weights and No. And the next one is John, hofmeister. John Hofmeister is the former president of Of Shallow. And he also now he has a not profit group that helps educate people in the. Community about the importance of energy. And then I'm GONNA BE ON THE THIRD ONE WE'RE GONNA. Be Talking about the senior market Watson. Port Seniors. T about four times more others and. Why we're producing the program, but also the type people we want to interview. And the last person on that particular episode which she series third minutes law. Is Termite Watkins. Termite Watkins kilom- that name Lady Load Termite. Yeah he's. Anyway he's an. Guy He was we also interviewed him in my book rock bottom back. But termite. now devotes. His Tab to help train yeahs A group called Spider nation. And he's taken people off the street Ryan in them Hotta. The men and Women you know they tried to both and they he trains all them. It's a nonprofit and he devotes his time to. You know to help in these young people naturally we WANNA emphasize. You Know Seniors Best Way to stay young and and Active is. By participating giving back to others, helping others benefit from. Our experiences in so that's put the program's all about. I love this program it's. By seniors, four seniors, and I think that we want more than just the Bang Bang shoot or not bend the face the fast cars that are driving down the road crashing. We seniors really want some good solid content. We WanNa see what other seniors are up to. We want to see what's possible for us and I think your show is perfect timing because. We could we could watch a lot of different things, youtube and tick tock of all the different things that are out there, but we really would like to have a show that's made specifically for us, and I think. What you're doing. Earl is so needed right now. We really need something to focus on. That's good. I love that married now, Earl you. You've found a niche and I i. just think you're right on target, and it's brilliant, so we thank you for doing this. So tell us a little bit. Batch your magazine. You said it was an industry magazine, and you're speaking of the energy industry right. Right. Right in the oil and gas business. They have different sectors. You have the upstream where they drill the oil in no us. Drilling that's called EMP. And then you have how they move it, you know once they all is found or the natural gas that has to be moved. To. Places where it can be used in refined, and that's called them. Get string. That's transportation that can be pipeline ships bar us, and then you have what's called the downstream section and in that? You've got the terminals, the score the oil. vote the crude and refined products like gasoline diesel asked, and then That's downstream seat. Refining Chemical Industry and also include terminals in there so. There's a Lotta great magazines out there, but they was not one that naked. Those, and then I reached over and we got up audience and. A killer acre. Wind Solar. You know anything that's related to. Really Kinda like fossil fuel I guess. I love that in fact, I don't think I've ever heard. It explained like that makes great sense. So weary overdue. You Bet you've got to tell you for anybody. Okay, so let me let me explain what's going on. Earl. I'm so sorry, but such a lag that when you start talking lady, Liz talking and so it's confusing to the audience. Let me just explain to everyone who's watching today that we're having a major storm and it's causing a little lag time so we'll. We'll do our best to not overrun each other. Right Yes so I'll. Set Up. I want to know from you. Earl is why you started this. Give us your passion because I know you have it. Tell us what it is so passion in inside you that you needed to create this. tell you Louise's ever really appreciate that question. the bottom line is up. I've been to rock bottom back. I had to start over. And when I was starting over a lot of people really helped me. They gave me encouragement day health loaning money when they weren't sure they were going to get it back and It's Kinda like paying it forward now. I've been very bluest. It's taken a long long time but I made up my mind. probably fifteen years ago that if I ever got successful, one of my top priorities was put faith and family first and help others through what I call media that matters, and so it's a fact inform. Excellent. We have some people in the audience who are saying hello and a one gentleman. We can't see who it is because he has given US permission young, but he says we also want to continue to be productive and to make a difference in the world, and that's what I hear from you, earl, as I've gotten to know you. That's exactly what I know to be true that. That you WANNA. Make a difference in this world and you know there's good people out there, and they wanna make a good difference in the world, and so you're giving them the platform to do that so that the rest of us can see what's going on, so thank you so much for doing that. What are your plans for the future? Do you have a similar show's coming up? Bell. Thank you fast than we're right now. We're working on our. You know getting sponsors for this show that we're gonNA. CAST in Houston but I'm also talking with them. We've got a commitment from Senator Guy that owns the duff channel. They want the show and that's GONNA broadcast it into about fifty million homes. Look and so we're working on working through that. We hoped to have it up in July. There's another inspirational place friendly channel. That School. Be Broadcast in it. There I'm working with two others one. that. I stand Chris. and. That's the trinity. Broadcast Network. Lavar for me. They also voiced interest in another one out of Ohio, but they have. shows all over the country club TC. And they're all previewing at NASA we're hopeful. That this regional chapter of will grow into a national and hopefully national broadcasts. Wouldn't that be nice? So what can we do as your audience and your supporters? What can we do to help US help you? Well the main thing we need right now is. We're getting. You've already helped and many others by recommending the people that have. Really great contributions. Our guests are excellent. The production being done by private calm here in Houston, they're excellent and but what we need now is more sponsors, and we need a bigger audience than those. Go Hand in hand so little simple thing. If the sixteen piece that's show would all promoted on their website. And then get their other friends to watch. Let me let me say this. Worst case scenario I'm not going. Drop this project NIP The hat to because my goal is to reach a large audience and aims lives I'm not doing this with. Money a never was and if we can reach more people by putting it on like a youtube channel, and putting it for free out do that, but I'm not gonNA. Do it right now because it's. It's a major investment source. I understand that and we do see and hear and feel the passion that you have. earls tell us. Interesting story about somebody you've had on the show so far. I can I can tell you one for me. Is the sailing angels I? Just love that I think that was in your first episode, and it was all about these. These nonprofit people agencies who are taking autistic children on sailing yachts, and they're really nervous when they get on, and they're not sure what's going on, but by the time they get back. They don't even want to get off. The boat and I just love that, so tell us a story that you have about somebody that you've had on the show so far. Will there so many I did not have a lot of formal education I did not graduate from college. I went for the June so I learn from reading books and from interview. Networking with. And so I've been very blessed a to really meet some very interesting people, and of course lew big magazine. We've been interviewing people for thirty seven years so. I met I met everybody from I did a movie one time Minnesota fat? I've been a PT, NICON and All the you know herb, Kelleher, which southwest airlines and these people all had so many words of wisdom that I just want to capture it now. There's we say that alright stories Allen and that's what I would encourage your by Audie. Keep a journal put highlights. Because something, good or bad may be able to help someone else. Have a more Happier and more. Fulfilling, lives. While I'm looking at your website right now and I'm seeing some terrific names, so Dan Bawden of the owner of a nationally recognized home, remodeling company and his. It's It's called. Legal Eagle contractors I just happened to know Dan, and he is a very very big supporter of seniors. He helps them stay in their home. Instead of going to a nursing home by making it senior friendly like opening the door, so that wheelchairs can get in and putting bars on in the bathroom, so people don't slip and fall and I know he was a great guest. The Baden is funny and he's is kind and he really loves his seniors. Another one that you're having on I think it's episode. Three is judy flake and lake is a family supporter. She helps so many families that are dealing with the grandmother and the parents and the children of autistic children and so I just know that's GonNa be a fantastic. Lady Liu. Do you have any questions or thoughts on this? Handle! There's quite a land No, I'll say In that extends? Beyond already bid film we've got. Paolini He's with the second bleed. From Big Church Group. Up The from the woodland's as your pastor and. Workman. He's lethargic. Here's and You mentioned Judy of. Judy Blakeney. And Dan. Every one of these people marion urine there to every one of these people really. As so much to contribute. and. It's locked the best investment I know you know this so much I won't call it trash, but there's not a lot of showman, faith and family friendly movies. My wife and I usually watch A. Movie a debt. And or material on television. Sometime, we'll watch movies. That's thirty four years old. The other night we watched Tammy for example. We just like wholesome material and. And it's bonded. US clubs about. Wipe vote in. And she is very very. I'm I'm really retired now from. Main businesses all I do. Lady Liu. We. We are so delighted that you're here with us and to tell the folks about this program, and you did mention that. Marion is on episode or in episode number four, which yet to be aired, so we're real proud of Marian to and the fact that she such a giver. You know what a I'm look. I'm on the website Wilmer Connection Dot TV and I'm seeing. You know what they're saying about everybody. You know what they're saying about me. I wanted out I'm a boomer influenced? Yeah how about that? Tell you. Mentioned in your. Mentioning your program. Impressed with what you're. Doing. I'm learning about you know. How to do this you use some of these technologies that I did not know. That's just an. Example of you know we seniors the one thing that keeps us. Alive and well and and have longer. Life is to continually be learning. When you stop living in stop running. And, GonNa Affect your the way you around family him. Just watch the TV show on happiness recently. And about forty percent of our happiness is because of our attitude mindset, and what we doing, and that's what we try to encourage with not just as TV this TV series, but all of our TV's and movies books. And it's interesting. You should say that URL because one of the people you're the people who are around you that are supporting you in this effort. One of them is high is we've had him on the show before, and we just love him. Talk about a happy person who's got a very good energy about him and he. He's just happy to be alive and he's happy to promote you. You is happy to support. You is happy to support the seniors and he just makes things happen. I just watched him over a period of about two months. Just making connections and putting people together, it was just a wonderful thing to see signs love the people that you have surrounded yourself less. There's happy they're supportive. They're off. They're all for you. Earl in its shows, it really shows. Good, job. Well You're right. You mentioned earlier about people working together. I've written some very good articles in the acts and embiid magazine. People see some of those articles about the magazine. They can really for free anywhere in the world at. BMW BIC MAGAZINE DOT COM. But I've written a lot of articles about networking a matter of fact, there's a t one of my TV videos on them. Lia is about networking better Getting along with the boss and you know, I made a lot of mistakes in my life, and I'm trying to help others in the future. Some of those mistakes. that. You made that you want to. You want others to avoid. Give us one of those mistakes. If you don't mind cause, we want to avoid them. Out to the chamber alive first of all. I was always a believer. But I was not a follower of Jesus, Christ. And that I'll check when I had a near experience so over twenty years ago of left for dead. And Started praying. Lord data let me stay alive and would change my life forever and. That's what idea they Livan's and immediately. I started going to church wrangling star, Taff. And the other thing is saying Louis. faith in family I really would asset. So. Glad Essay question because. There was a time in my life where I so. Wanted to succeed so much that I put faith and family second. And I haven't done that in the. Twenty, twenty three years I've put faith and family first and map businesses it actually since I started the TV and. Custom Book. Our businesses quadrupled. So I know given away, people get ahead. I'll man. Giving you shall receive well, Earl, talking about receiving I know you're looking for sponsors for these shows how to people just go to website big media solutions, and they can't contact you through their about becoming a sponsor. Well. They can give go to big. Boom Connection Dot TV. Contact Information if the individuals can get in touch with high avs or me. 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Involved in going on, but You know about? Thirty minutes a day spread out over a whole day. That's That's enough for us. I agree well. Thank you for being here again at. We've had him on before and had a wonderful show and today. We've learned so much more to as we think you're. The tops and we're ready for everyone to help. Support your show and you and what you believe there's so many people believe as you do, and we we honor that, so we expect big things to come from the show and great sponsors, and all that stuff, and we'll be watching no matter what the thank you again, Earl. We appreciate you being here. Thank you Marian. We thank everyone. Thanks to both of YOU and. Thank by. Later. Thank you for joining us for today's show. Remember it's our pleasure to bring you interesting Co, host and topics. So connect with US often. We're looking forward to the next time. We're together by for now.
Gale Anne Hurd just explained how you can help achieve pay equity in Hollywood
"You're listening to work report on your host Scott Work. It was my privilege to interview producer. Jalen Hurd who stands have been behind some of the biggest Hollywood movie franchises ever who then turned around around and conquered the small screen with their walking dead franchise. Gail told me about her. Impending launch of the third walking dead series in twenty twenty and about major developments developments in the terminator franchise because of relatively new copyright law will give control back to she and James Cameron. It's Co creators for the first time in decades but gail and heard isn't only keeping busy by bringing the life cultural phenomena. She's always been a major activist for gender equity in Hollywood but behind the camera and on the screen not only that but she's always been a tremendous progressive supporter but my group the Democratic coalition a big fighter for all progressive passive causes. So please take a listen to my wide ranging interview with mega producer. Gaylon heard Jalen her. Thank you for joining us on the show today. How are you? I'm doing well happy to be here. Thank you for asking me. Oh sure are you excited. That Halloween is almost here. It's my favorite holiday. Hey of course if you look at my body of work how could it be any other. I you know it's perfect timing. They have gone before we start talking about really exciting political events. Let me ask you a what's coming next. You have any big projects in the pipeline that you can tell us about well. I'm very excited about the New Series that we're doing that is part of our walk. Walking dead family that follows students who have essentially high-school college age and That will be airing on. AMC In twenty twenty. I'm very excited about that. My judge has dropped because I did not not know about that. That sounds awesome Are you did you start feeling filming it now. We have been filming. We've been filming in Richmond. Virginia which has actually brought me to our nation's capital a couple of times because it's quite close by. Why was there any change because because it landed before that right like was a little behind the Times this is actually the third walking dead show? Walking dead does film and they Lanta area fear. The walking dead which is going into its six season films in Austin Texas. So we're we're spreading the love. I forgot about about that that yeah the the the transition I guess I'm I'm a fan of the original The it's hard to keep up. There's so much stuff going on right now for you It of all the films and franchises. You've you started two of the best action horror films of the Nineteen Eighty S. The James Cameron Cameron have captured the public madge nation in a hugely enduring. Way I I'd like to ask for our listeners. How long and hard did you work to craft both alien and Terminator Movies? I mean was it around the clock work and did you have a sense while filming that it was something amazing and special that would last for decades. Well well with with the Terminator. That was the first film that I made on my own after Leaving working for Roger Corman Assis- assistant and I think what Jim and I really wanted was to have a calling card from that film to be to make another film So I don't think if you'd asked us then if it would be something that people you know Thirty years later it would still be referring to. I think I think we would have said absolutely not is it. We're we're making the best film we can but The the fact that it would have this kind of enduring legs and I'm not sure anyone envisaged And with alien Ridley Scott directed the first film Jim and I did the second film. And then we have not been involved in the franchise ever since and it was it was really Something that we simply didn't WANNA screw up being huge fans of release original film We shows to make it a combat film as opposed to as opposed to a contained horror film. And that's why the Tagline for aliens is this time it's war And we could not have been anymore. Blessed to work with such challenges sigourney weaver This time the the undisputed star of the film as well as the late Stan Winston who created the amazing practical effects including the Queen and the power letter. How did you get your just moving on in history? I guess. How did you get your hands on the walking dead? And how did you bring that to the screen on TV well contrary to To Public Opinion Women are very very large consumers science fiction fantasy and horror. I have been a lifelong fan of horror and a lifelong comic book reader. Her and I read Robert Kirkman walking dead comic book when it first came out inquired about the rights found out. If they weren't available you know. Put it back on the shelf and then a few years later I think back in two thousand nine I asked left again and it turned out. The rights were available. And that's when Frank Darabont. who had the rights and I partnered up with Robert Kirkman and set the project up at? AMC THAT'S A. I mean it's such a phenomenal series. I A huge fan of the show but does it. Does it ever are scare you that the political environment right now might turn into a walking dead sort of environment for us. It seems like Armageddon is headed our way or some it kind of weird mix of to southern. I love that movie. I love that movie but yeah I think I think we're all prepared now We've had Ten seasons of the walking dead. We've seen all kinds of failed leadership in the series and You know so I I think that we all have a manual of how to survive and what not to do right right series. Sorry we used to. We used to have parties for the show like per viewing parties and people would throw stuff like anything involving rick like like they would if if he got in trouble people would throw stuff at like the screen and be all right. Listen I gotta put like plastic in front of this sort of wrapping Saran Saran wrap around the TV and then it got hot and molded into TV. I had to get a new TV but it was. It was just people are so the only comparison. That's even close is like game. Amo thrones like this is epic and it's just it must be I guess you take it very seriously right because every every single aspect of this show every single detail are. Are you still hands on with the series and are you in front of it a lot of the Times you still control other the plot lines or or what happens with show that the good news is that we have fantastic show runners. Who are the most hands on We have Scott Campbell who is essentially the CEO of the Content for the walking dead universe alongside Robert Kirkman who created it and Speaking of of Rick. Grimes played by the amazing Andrew. Lincoln We're also envisioning a series of walking dead films that will be distributed by universal pictures That that bring Rick Grimes back to life that he's died by the way but but We we we get to see you know his his new world. Wow well okay. That's seems exciting. Find out more about meet the candidates. Twenty twenty my new book series of Voter Guides authored by working report producer. Grant Stern. It's the only place you can read my opinion and a factual portrait of each major Democratic candidate in one one place by the book. Now at the link inside this episodes notes at grant stern dot com or your local barnes and noble. Thanks again for your support. Let's get back to the show. I guess we'll delve quickly because people wanted to know. I wanted to know as well. I guess I in Politics Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth. Warren says that she experienced pregnancy discrimination. What do you think we need need to do to get enough women to select politicians who will support them in the workplace by creating a safety net for pregnancy that reasonably extends after birth not dimension correcting the pay equity gap? Well I think I think it all starts with voting for voting for the right representatives additives that hold those values And it also very much rests with the courts and since many many of the most important courts are appointed either. The judges are appointed by the White House and confirmed by the the Senate. It's very important to make sure that Not only do we have someone in the White House who reflects those values but also so that the the Senate will block people who want to take back to To the nineteenth century in fact it may very well be the women might have had a few more rights back then You know I don't think that a abortion was illegal back then and we're on the precipice now we're making it illegal right. I saw an interview with the Vet Vet Nicole Brown that you had done interview magazine but you talked about how you had opportunities back in the day that not many women had. Have you seen a big change in the industry with women in leadership like yourself in their industry as a whole absolutely I was just I was in credibly blessed that my first job was Roger Corman who was always and remains to this day. An advocate for women in the in the industry industry and You know I I see it changing but I would say that. In most cases men still control the green light ability. You and we're really not saying much of a change in corporate America Corporate America that owns the studios and networks. Right right and do you. You see you see any kind of What's the best way to to switch things around? Like what can people do to support the entertainment industry street. Is it by consuming things that are produced by women or what is what is the main way that we can change things Hollywood as a consumer even though Oh you know film is an art form we still call it the entertainment film. TV business so absolutely you vote with you. Vote with your purchases as you vote with the films and the TV series that you choose to to watch and and that's incredibly important didn't no one's GonNa continue to make something just because it's the right thing to do They're going to to renew a show because because of the feedback and that's both the ratings as well as the awards and with feature films it's really based on the number of tickets sold right and you. You worked with a lot of scripts in the past right. Yes so if I've written one but for the most part I work very closely with writers right right so so you have a lot of you know opportunity to develop plot outlines thing so like how do you how do you see trump's reality. TV presidency ending from well. Considering every day something happens that if I had put it in a script someone would say that's too far fetched no one. We'll believe it. I don't know that that That I can even imagine what will see I'd like to. I think that we'll see a PERP walk at some point and You know I I what I really want them. More than anything else is a return. Learn to to the rule of law separation of powers and an understanding by the people in power of EXAC- exactly what the constitution sets forth. Because we seem to blown right past that and I and I I don't understand it I I really. We don't this episode of the Dworkin report is brought to you by resistors like you. We aim to keep this show independent for for as long as we can visit worker report dot Com to see how you can help out. The best ways is by hitting that contribute button top bright and giving what you can and thanks again for your support. Let's get back to the show it's a it's appreciated L.. The you you speak out against the ministration but for people on people's behalf that can't speak for themselves and and I hope you keep on doing that now if Were real trouble. If trump was was listening to buy gas. But if we were what would you say to I would say that. At this time he still has an opportunity to do the right thing and And now is the time now is the time to to realize that the gig is up and that everything that has been hidden will at some point be deep brought into the glare of public scrutiny and And if he really is the president president at the Anjelica believe God chose God would want him to come clean that involved him resigning. You Know I. I think that I think that that the best thing to do is to is to is to own up to allow people people to speak on the record to speak to Congress and And I want to know everything that has transpired. I don't know that I mean I would love the resignation. But I I still want to know was pence involved. How deeply is bar involved What about Mitch McConnell? What about Lindsey Graham? I don't know that resignation will solve the problems out our democracy. He faces at the moment. Right it's uncovering the truth and figuring out I mean I'll keep on working towards that for the next few decades to try. Try make sure that the truth comes comes out working with a bunch of people in DC. But thank you so much for everything that you've you've given to the world and created and brought to film and and TV and and everywhere else. And so I can't thank you enough for taking the time today. That the one thing I do want to say is that there is a theme and everything that I've I've ever done and it is about the power and the strength of each one of us as individuals have my my films and TV series. These are always about ordinary people who don't believe that they're special who don't believe that they can make a difference who find the power within the cells to survive live and in many cases to to achieve something extraordinary. Whether that's you know Miss Shown on the walking dead Sarah Eric. Connor in the Terminator Ellen Ripley in aliens it really is about empowering each one of us is individuals and recognizing the strength and cower that we all have and not giving up we cannot give up a gale and heard for taking the time. The LEVERETT is your grants turn. You can follow him on twitter at Grant Stern. You can visit our website at dworkin report. Dot Com is the website for our book series. That great and I wrote meet the candidates twenty twenty dot com. 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Why Oracle CEO Mark Hurd knew it was time to shake up the company
"From business insider, this is success. I'm rich baloney. We're back this week with oracle co CEO Mark hurt when he started at the company in two thousand ten he turned the place. Upside down heard was intimidating a big shift in the industry. He wanted to change how urkel built and sold. It software. The changes he made were dramatic hundreds of oracle sales staff left the company within his first few years on the job and heard was widely criticized by industry analysts, but he stuck to his plan after about six years the public's perception of that plan started to shift as hiring and sales rep the company still has a ways to go as it struggles to catch up to rivals in the cloud software. Business heard saw that oracle an established company had to reinvent itself to stay competitive. Even when the seemed like a terrible idea. Today, we're taking a closer look at markets. First years at oracle. We'll hear from heard about how he's approaching the challenges facing. And how Oracle's turn around was a turnaround for him to. Heard got the job at oracle weeks after leaving HP where he'd been CEO for five years the two thousand ten departure was difficult for him. Even today. It's not something he feels comfortable talking about her was forced to resign. That was after a public dispute with HP's board over his expense account and a personal relationship. He stepped down that August, how did you feel at the time? Given the circumstances of the departure at HP were you angry at all with the situation. I liked HP. I liked the company like, the people company, etc. Aita disagreement with a couple of board members. And so, but that's not HP if you looked at our financial performance and the performance of our of the company being HP at the time. It was quite quite positive. Larry Ellison who had built and lead oracle since nineteen seventy seven came to herds defense. He and Hurd had. Worked closely while heard lead H P in Ellison thought the company made a huge mistake in letting him go. Ellison didn't wait for the situation to blow over he hired her as Oracle's president a month after heard was ousted from HP. So when did he approach you for the oracle job? We had several meetings about it face to face and talked about it and the implications strategically on the industry the role that oracle could play within it the role that that I could do helping oracle from a strategic perspective. And so we had all of those dialogues as we talked about oracle make software that companies around the world use for everyday operations when her joined the company the industry was in the early days of shifting to the cloud. All that means is that the software your head of HR would use for example, could be accessed online from anywhere rather than installed on a single, computer. It's simple in practice, but requires major shit. Shifts in operations. Well, of course at the time. It was really just the beginning of of all this movement to the cloud and the implication on on on oracle was that we had to change many of the things we were doing both in in Oran d and in the go to market part of our business. And so, you know, part of the attraction, of course, is the complexity of all that, you know, it's one thing when you go to a company, that's that's struggling, and you say we've got to change and most everybody acknowledges that and says he I see the results. I see the performance we have to do something different. It's a very another thing. When you go to company that's winning. And here's a company and oracle. That's that's winning. That's got tremendous market presence tremendous brand. And then you say, hey in the middle of all that we gotta change. And the first question that comes up from a lot of people as well. Why would that be? And so then when you have to describe that there's a coming change in the industry. It's it's probably that probably I think it's the most difficult leadership challenge that you have is to take a group of people winning. And then convince them it's it's it's necessary to change because there's resistance more than you're more than you're typically used to. And so this idea of let's transform even though where winning and people are comfortable doing things these way to that stem from Larry or did that was that. How you read the situation we spent a lot of time talking about the industry because this change was was coming. But it was at its very infancy at the time. I think one of the the blessings you have with with a with somebody like Larry. And when I say somebody like, there's not many to compare frankly, if any certainly in the enterprise. Space is that you have somebody who is a big owner in the company the biggest owner of the company that thinks a bit more generational -i certainly than quarterly. I think if we didn't mutually agree on the need for change. It would never it would never work, by the way, we agree on everything. But the great thing about about Larry amongst many is that. Have a lot of a lot of debate. And and I can't tell you how many times he said. Yeah, you're right. Let's let's do what you said invite away the same same way. I mean, you know, we compare notes a lot talk about a lot and agree on certainly materially more than we don't. But if it wasn't mutual it wouldn't work your first day as president your first several days. What did you see at the company that made you think okay, we're going to have to completely transform the way sales are done here. I think oracle astore Ecclesia has been thought of as to be perhaps the greatest Salesforce in the IT industry, and I wouldn't try to persuade you differently. Now, all that said our industry holistically had. Mature into a bad space in my opinion, thirty years ago when heard was starting out in the IT industry companies would hire entry level employees in groom them to succeed at the company come out of college, and you would go to work at a company, and you would actually get trained by the company you'd have trainers abors people. That would help you teach you about how to sell listen, how to communicate all sorts of great skills that that frankly still use today and training was looked at as an investment not as an expense. And what happened over the years is that training again became viewed as a an expense as opposed to an investment. And what began happening was all of this mercenary hiring you'd go to work for this company. And then you'd go to another company another company and other company, and it was a bit like all the companies putting their bed sales people in the middle of the table. And we just swap bad salespeople. With a strategy that your bad salesperson be great. Once they came to our place. See wanted to kind of bring it back to the the world that you had started off, and maybe hopefully a little better than because of the nature of clout. What now was technology can only be bought by the biggest companies would now be available to every company. No matter. What scale you didn't need have an IT staff didn't need to have a data center. You could just now get all of this great intellectual property, basically over over the internet. And so as a result of that the need to grower Salesforce became very important and was this essentially for oracle to survive in this new setting I actually say to thrive, and so it wasn't like we had a problem. You know, if we all the way back to two thousand ten that we had a cash flow problem where we weren't about to make payroll or anything like we were a very successful company saying the middle of that success. Let's looking ahead of it. Yeah. So how are we going? How's this market going? Five years from now, the cloud was about to revolutionize how the IT industry did business. The product was changing the customers were changing, and that meant the sales people had to change to I would say, my views always been that the more focused. You can make a salesperson meaning the more. I can get them to do the same thing every day. The better chance they have of winning. So my view is always been default focused them on knowing their product knowing their buyer knowing knowing their industry, and frankly, knowing their competitor. And so the fact that we can bring people to market that our expert at all of these issues raises their chance of success. Now, if you if you believe that, and I do then how you then build a Salesforce becomes becomes important based on those building blocks. So for us, for example, if we're selling application like HR, it would become important that you were salespers-. You knew how to communicate to a head of HR. It would be important that you would know your competitor, the important that you could drive that discussion in terms of HR in the context of retail or financial services or one of those one of those industries. So that's how we built ourselves force building block by building block. And then we build them appropriately for the markets all the way from the biggest customer to the smallest customer. So that's how that's how we build it. While heard was starting to roll out cloud software. He was still pushing Oracle's core business technology the stuff that company had been selling for years and his goals for those sales were embarrass to encourage his Salesforce to meet them. He made their paychecks more dependent on their performance skeptical employees complained that it created a more complex in stressful work environment, building incentives are always important. But frankly, if you're building or a run into companies to see is your work on three core things strategy. Opperations and then people and the incentives piece aligned to the operation space and the keyed operations is to execute the strategy. So in our case, our strategy was to really move the market to this next generation of locations. And then we wanted to incent ourselves force properly to move to these next set of modern applications, which is what we what? Which is what we did when you were saying that when you have a team that's winning. And you want them to change the way they're doing things you're going to face some resistance. So might be an understatement. Hundreds of sales people left the company during Hurd's first few years, including some of the team's top performers heard insist this did not upset his plan. You know, when you have thirty five or forty thousand people when you're in your sales org. You will have people that that that move. We move from really a products offered strategy, which is basically we sell you a product you would then implemented sometimes by yourself. Or with a systems integrator something like that. And we moved to selling a service. So we're really selling a different thing that we had before. Now, we basically said no you have to sell to the functional buyer. You're gonna have to sell to that head of HR that CFO. Now, you're saying to the people we're going to change what you sell and we're gonna change who you sell it to. And so a lot of people said, I just don't want to do that. And my view is that that's okay. I mean, it we need to have people that are excited and passion, I don't wanna make it sound like I was four a lot of dynamism in the Salesforce. But I wasn't against it either. Do you think that you would have felt as confident making huge changes at the company had you not had that specific relationship with Larry. Oh. Assuredly not assuredly not. I mean, I would have I would have had the same belief structure when you have the ability to talk through his shoes with a people that are extremely smart be people that really care see people that have a breadth of experience. This is what most CEOs don't have heard started hiring new people to help carry out his business plan. He didn't wanna poach sales people from his competitors as with standard in the industry. Instead he wanted to hire people brand new IT. Recent college grads in get them on board with his new vision for the business. We really moved into this very aggressive college hiring program because what I really thought made sense was us to to hire our own. We went back. And of course, we found there were very few IT companies recruiting on campus believe it or not over eighty five percent of the people we offer to accept that job. The problem. We had back. Then though was that we had no machinery there's no process for it. Yeah. It's like, okay. Well, who's going to do that? Okay. Well, let's get some people that do that we figured out where the schools were we figured out how to recruit we figured out how to cut it off or letter. But then when we brought him on board we had actually train them. So we had to build a strategy to go. Get the best young people in this country, frankly to put them in the best facilities, which we didn't have give them the best tools, which we didn't have to give them the best management which was new because a lot of this was new management mentoring, some of these great young people and give them the best training. So when you start saying best best best best best and you start with. I've got nothing nothing. Nothing. Nothing the whole process over the last few years has been get each one of those pillars. I described to being the best what we do and build our Salesforce from the ground up. But some oracle veterans weren't on board. With this new training program. Not only do they essentially have to learn how to do a new job. They had a mentor some kids straight out of college. A former oracle employee told business insider in two thousand thirteen that the company was getting a bad reputation among experienced sales people in the industry heard says it was just a painful but necessary byproduct of change the end of the day. I take complete accountability for the strategy that I described I believe that it was best for our customers and best for oracle for us to make this change. And no question. It was dynamic. No question that when you're port of dynamic change anytime you make decisions you get opinions. You know, they're going to be people that say, I really liked it the way it was. And and listen, I wished history was a perfect predictor of future. But it's not and and the world win an IT is dynamic and changes changes every day. And for us we needed to stay ahead of this. And there's no question the implication of quote, unquote. Staying ahead of this has some element of of of of pain to it. Did you ever question your strategy? No, no, no, what we're conversations with Larry like at this point. When there were some time. Oh, probably his biggest quotes would be things. Like, can you go faster? So as a leader, how do you know when to take resistance and be okay. Let me reconsider, and then also think that okay? This is just the pain of change. I I don't have to really dwell on this. How do you differentiate that first of all I think it's hard? I think nobody likes criticism resistance. No matter what anybody anybody tells you that said, I think you have to rely on on your experience your instincts as to where you think the market's headed in these changes necessary. I've always believed that was the company. I I believe to the core. We a we had to expand ourselves worse. Be. We couldn't do it through the traditional mechanisms in our industry. We simultaneously moved to the mid market. We moved to. Hiring. We built an in house training program. We did all of these things we'll Tena sleepy and to add to it. When you ask managers who've Restorick Lee managed, very experienced people. And you say, hey, I have an idea we're going to bring some kids right off the college campus. I'd really appreciate if you'd spent some time mentoring them in developing them. It's amazing that they'd say I'd rather not do that. See it's very it's counting instinctive to you. But if you had a sales manager, and you're two people working for you. Let's pretend your objectives for the year were ten billion dollars. And you had one salesperson who had a ten million quota and a second salesperson who had just come out of college. Who do you think the sales manager spends all their time with the person with the ten male quota? So we had the issues also from a moral perspective of just mores of the company of wasn't important to really develop and mentor. These mentor ship would be as important company. I grew up in it. It was it was just a an unspoken value in the company that if you could sit around and brag about all the great people you developed in the company or now in senior positions. This was a merit badge. This was something you wore on your sleeve, and there was no comm for it. There was no stock option for it. It was just a source of pride and and a belief. This was the way things were to get done when that inside or company as well. And we still work on today in two thousand fourteen Larry Ellison step down as head of oracle appointed heard and Safran cats co-ceo 's as far as heard was concerned, the new title didn't change anything. His plan was the same that put a new pressure on you being given this new title. I don't think I would say it changed. I think we felt the pressure to move the company along exceleron at the company to add velocity execution of the company and do that in a way where we can we can deliver today. And build for tomorrow. Because remember, that's that's that's our challenges that we have a a very large customer base that expects us to deliver on products in some cases that we built years and years and years ago, and we have to do that. That's our commitment to them markered spent years defending his plan to his employees's investors in industry analysts and by two thousand seventeen the skeptics were coming around to his way of thinking even veteran sales people who had been critical of the big changes heard was making could see that as plan was paying off one on the record with the Wall Street Journal. He said his initial response to herds plan had been what the hell is this? But when he saw how much money the new hires made the company, he changed his mind. When I read her this, quote, he brushed it off. Just like the criticisms I'd run past him earlier. Of course, his plan worked that was the plan. I wouldn't give too much credence to the early anecdote you brought up or to any other antidote rent because I think he. Can find a lot of these as you dig through a large organization? I think the key is that strategically this was right for us. And I believe you will see more people actually imitate that strategy because it it just makes sense. I it sounds like you're not concerned about the media coverage picking different anecdotes for what your plan would say. But would it be different? If one of your colleagues approached you are one of your shareholders approached you, whether it was either skepticism in the first place years ago or saying like, I'm really happy with how this is playing out. Would you consider that differently? Well, let me let me be clear. I of course, I consider it. I remember one investor send you know. I had bought the stock thinking that you were smart, meaning me the implication being that they flipped their point of view based on the rise in our in our expense structure, and the point that I would make is that in this. Case we had to invest in order to gain productivity, there's something that was interesting a moment at an all hands in two thousand sixteen you had pulled the audience about big three industry predictions, which would happen fastest. And forty-two percent said that none of these will ever happen. You joked about it. And but is that like a recurring thing where you're met? Maybe with like some skepticism from employees at first, and then you have to convince them along the way what I do frequently at our user conference is I make predictions about the industry, and I do them for a couple of purposes one, they're they're funny and reactions to them second. I try to explain the customers. Why were investing the way we are in particularly products and Orrin d because of these secular trends that we see occurring in the industry. For example. We see data centers corporate data centers really going away. We see locations that are traditionally on premise all moving to the cloud. So we typically make these these predictions. And then also we use them internally to show why we're making the adjustments were making in the various things, we do strategically and operationally. So yeah, I would test my predictions on our own workforce. And then you get various reactions like this is crazy or really is this going to happen. And it opens up the bait, and it's it's fun. So as we've been kind of talking about an example, where you took something that was really bishops and met with some resistance people, even leaving the company would this be something that you would be willing to do all over again with a new plan if necessary. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think that we feel good about strategically. We're oracle. Sits today. We feel good about the the changes we made I'm not here to tell you that everything we've done we've done perfectly. But I am here to tell you that we feel very good about the decisions we made the investments we've made we've continued to make changes where necessary maybe at a lesser scale within the context of product or solution or various other parts of the company, and we would always be dynamic in that nature and looking at it, do you think that maybe there could have been a different way to communicate that to staff to maybe keep some of those veteran hires from leaving. I'm not sure that's the approach. You would wanna take. I think that leader's job is to describe this is where we're headed. This is where we are. This is the journey to get from here to there. The these are now the resources we're gonna ply to get from here to there. And I tried to do some explaining of. Things like training, and and changes in our compensation incentives are management, mores, etc. There are people who say listen, I'm just not up for that. You're talking about things that are going to require work and change and some people are up for it. And some people are not. And I think if you don't have passion, and you're not excited about the task at hand, the likelihood that you'd have as much success as you're having is is is very unlikely. You know, I think we want people that are excited about the mission. I I don't really enjoy saying this. But some of that is necessary to get from here to there. So if you have an ambitious plan, and some people aren't signed onto it. That's okay. You know, you hate to say it that way because it feels like it's a non it's a non empathize answer. But the the answer is yes, you know, that when you say, listen, we're going to move from here to there not everybody is going to like it. And and. And as a result. I think if somebody wants to opt out because they don't like it. I in the end, I do think, that's okay. So it's looking at the last eight years or so at oracle how you say that your leadership style has changed over that time. If it has I don't change my view, you need to lead from in front and to me that's with us with our customers and with our people. And so that's still my my primary view that communicating to our customers communicating door. People is important. I still believe the role of of leading these companies is about strategy. It is about aligning the operations to the execution of the strategy. And then really surrounding the company with the best possible people that, you know, we're all faced with in any of these jobs making, you know, hundreds and thousands of decisions every day. Doesn't mean you're going to get them. All right. I have confidence enough in the process that if if I make it decision. I'm willing to listen to where I've if if I've made a bad decision. Let's let's let's review it and do it again you as simple question to begin with do. I feel confident the strategy of oracle. I do. Thank you. Thank you. A few weeks after I spoke with Mark heard oracle reported its third quarter earnings the company stock is fine. But oracle is still facing intense competition from other companies working in McLeod in order to succeed. The company needs to develop more cloud technology and convince customers they should choose oracle over its competitors. Markered still has a lot of work to do. Thanks for listening to this is success from business insider, our executive producer is damn Bob cough. Today's episode was produced by Sarah Wyman. In Jennifer Siegel. I'm rich felonious. We're working on some new episodes of this is success that will be releasing soon. Make sure you don't miss them by subscribing to the feet on apple podcasts, Stitcher or Google play. In the meantime, shoot us an Email at audio at business insider dot com. 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Better Rivals Ep. 280: 49ers 2019 draft review
"Welcome to this week's edition of the Niners nation dot com. Better eyeballs podcast. My name is Oscar operate CO and this week boy. The battle of winter fell was absolutely amazing. The NFL draft is all wrapped up and we are here to recap this episode. And with me this week to occupy the space under your jump shot with impunity David Newman. I take offense to that. Man. Did you watch any of the the rockets warriors game? I have not. No. Yeah. Well, there was basically the the story of the game. We're all the miss calls because the warriors were getting up under the shot of the Houston Rockets, and it will just say that like playing basketball. I hate that. I hate that guy so much. Well, the thing was I didn't think that the moves were. Agreed just really I thought that it's difficult to not get under someone shot when they jump up into their shot and then to create a V with their legs because they're kicking them into you defender. I mean sure which is sounds like a fair point. Yeah. Whatever I just James harden. Irritates me in a lot of very. Very interesting ways. So it was good game. I'm glad they won on two game too. But let's talk a little bit about the twenty nine hundred NFL draft because it is officially in the books. We are going to refer for those of you who tuning in for the game of thrones. Stock that's going to be at the end of the episode. We'll definitely put time codes in there. So you can skip ahead or skip it up to you, especially for John avoids boilers. But the twenty nine hundred NFL draft is in the books. David how do you feel about the draft overall overall pretty good? I think I did do the top two picks. You feel really good about him mean, obviously, we talked about both at length but getting possibly the best player in the draft at position of importance and also a position of need for the team like really kind of no brainer. If you're gonna stay at number two that was clearly the pick. And then I think we both also like Samuel and things that he has the ability to be a big part of this offense and really be somebody. That's vital part of this passing game in can really. Help them out in we talked about spending resources that can improve your pass offense is never really a bad use of research, especially if you're getting what we think is a quality player. Right. Somebody that fits what they like in that position. So those are the two that I think are great. I think they found some value late in the draft. But overall if you can hit on those early picks, I mean, that's going to be ultimately what defines us draft when we look back on it. So I think they have a really good chance to for those two picks to look pretty good. Obviously, we won't know how the drop is going to turn out for a few years, but initial impressions are really in my opinion based on the evaluation of the player and the valuation of the pick overall. I think in both instances the Niners did some really really good step, especially the top of the draft. I'm considering adding deebo Samuel scores on a slant. The drinking game. Either that or get one we're going to have to replace the Selleck time chug your beer rule now, we'll get we'll get to that in a minute. But yeah, I think that there's definitely some value with the top. And then I think I don't want to take a minute talk about Jalen hundred a bit because I think after our Jalen Hurd scouting report the sentiment. I think that we were giving was generally negative. And even though we said, I think all of the things that are true about his evaluation. He's gonna win an intermediate areas of the field. He's got some physical tools that are enticing. And I went back and looked at a lot of his tape. And I think that I was probably or sounded more negative than actually on the pick. But I've actually warmed to him over watch him after watching him, more and more and more. And I can absolutely see the logic in drafting someone like Jalen Hurd. And to your point if you're throwing resources at something I'd rather throw it at something that is going to be that's not a linebacker running back, right, especially that high. So I I think I've warmed to it quite a bit more. And I can absolutely see why the team wanted to get someone like. Jalen Hurd in the third round. I haven't really I still feel largely the same way. I think is is when we did before I think the one thing in kind of a corner and the pros strongly for that is the thing that we mentioned right is is spending resources on the passing game. I think if that is something that all picked it ultimately works out. You know? That's obviously a good thing. Anything we can do to make pass offense better as good. I still largely feel like he's not a player that does any one thing really all that. Well, I think versatility as we've talked about in the past is only good being capable of doing multiple things is different than being good at multiple things. And I think just because in theory he can lined up at receiver and you can motion in the backfield. And you can give them a a hand off from there or you might be able to to add back some weight on and get back to his running back wait in place them tight end or something like that. Like just because he's possibly capable of doing those things doesn't mean that he's. He's better at a receipt as a receiver than actual receiver. That's been doing that or better than a running back that could actually get that carry. Right. So like, I it's just I think there's a big big unknown. I think the fact that he's a pretty solid athlete at that size. And has I think some decent movements goes on. He's a bad athlete. Is like intriguing but that that's not a pick that you make with the sixty seventh overall selection. Right. That's a pick that you make on day three. And I saw I think it's more the spot is just still a concern. But again, we'll see how that looks on a couple of years. Yeah. For me. It's really just the consistency thing because he shown the ability to do things in spurts that you're like, okay. That's that's pretty awesome. I really really liked that. That's great. But what really good players do is they consistently do those great things over and over and over again. So we look at why Nick Bosa was at the top of the draft. Someone like Quinton Williams. They consistently are able to be there defenders are consistently able to win. And I think Jalen Hurd was able to win in some cases, but a lot of the reception that he got and I think this is probably why the initial scouting report was a bit more sour at least from my perspective is when you saw a lot of his catches and he had almost thousand yards. But a lot of them were things that he didn't produce on his own. They were just opened in the middle of the field because you had an RPO or something like that. But in the instances in which he did create and did win. I thought that was pretty exciting. So really for me. It's a consistent consistency thing. If he can be come more consistent in the way that he runs his routes and the way that he uses his athleticism. He could be a pretty nice addition. So I don't I think that's that's why I've warmed to it overall. And so I think it'll be interesting to see how it turns out. But then you get to the middle rounds. And this is where you start with the forty Niners having a few issues in a couple of places where you had some head scratching moves. So of course in the fourth round, the Niners selected Mitch which now sqi puncher from Utah and then in the fifth round they picked Drake greenlaw linebacker from Arkansas. So which one of those two picks did you like least, David? I give you a guess. Yeah. I'm guess, I'm man, I'm gonna guess the punter. I'm going to go out on a limb. I'm going to say you didn't like that pick. No, no, not not especially. I mean, look, it's there's no reason to kind of go and waste fifteen minutes ranting about a punter is just nine it's something that at this stage in my life. I'm prepared to do. I think I don't know. There's a lot of I think, you know, maybe you can kind of like help point what your biggest questions like I think just it's it's tough to justify taking a punter with the hundred and tenth overall selection that is that is very very difficult to remind them. I think for me that was more of the issue. It was the place in the draft not necessarily drafting punter. I know that you are infinitely more versa drafting a punter than I am. I totally get that make sense. Right. But I do think that when you look at the way there are really two punters on the board that people were were kind of lusting after right? It was Jake Bailey from Stanford. And this dude Mitch the wish and you think to yourself. Okay. We we have two very very good punters on the board. And if we the Niners had just traded back into the fifth round. There were worried the the patriots. We're going to draft a punter which they did eventually in the fifth round. But they were worried that the patriots were going to drop the punter and so with your fifth round. Pick though, you're already a head of the patriots. So I felt it would have been a more shrewd use of resources to pick a player that can really help your team on offense on defense and coverage in the passing game or something like that with that fourth round pick especially because it was such a high fourth round pick. I mean at that point. You're looking at maybe value that slips from third round into the fourth on the way that your boards coming down. And you think to yourself I do have a fifth round pick ahead of the patriots. Let's say that someone does end up drafting wish now sqi cool. I can still get Jake Bailey. And I think that might me personally. I'd still if I didn't get either of them. I'm okay with that. But I think that play was a bit better allocation of resources based on the way your roster's constructed then drafting that punter in the fourth round that high. Yeah. I mean, I think depending on what angle you wanna come from there. There's a number of different issues to potentially take it. Right. I think one thing that is important to call out in this kind of is something that you touched on a little bit there, which is. There is a difference between when when kind of like trying to evaluate things from the outside. There is a difference in what is in. What should be right? I think we like to live in a world of what should be. This is what we think is kind of the optimal way, you know, based on everything that we've been doing over these years. This is kind of how we think is the best approach to put a winning football team together. Right. This is just kind of lessons that we've learned. But it's also important to to to understand and realize that that's of course, not the way every NFL team thinks, and maybe not even the way most NFL teams think. And so when you're looking at punters, right? I would say the what should be is that punters and specialists in general should never be drafted. I it's just a specialist, even if you get a very very good one can flat out not have the impact on your win loss record as a positional player on offense or defense. It just the impact is not there to justify it. But that's not how NFL teams generally proceed. I mean, we do see most. Hunters in the NFL are undrafted. But if you're going to draft them typically the way that we see this is six round is kind of the sweet spot is where you see a lot of the drafted punters go, and then you have kind of like a handful of guys that are maybe your top punter prospects that that sneak up into the fifth round, right? I think Dixon last year Nixon. I mean, this the example that everyone is going to trot out when they're talking about an elite all pro punter, and they'd be less hunger prospect that never ever see right. Like at least in kind of like the modern NFL like just fantastic, right? And he only went in the fifth round. So I think there's there's those two thing where we're like. Okay. So where you're at right now in the NFL norm is we're generally going to look in the sixth round. Or if we got a guy, maybe we're going to sneak up into the late fifth or something like that. If we feel super strongly about them, and you're taking a guy now with one hundred and ten overall spot, which is a a prime position. There are still very good football players on the board. That can help your team fifth round pick. I I mean, I think that's one of the dichotomy between what is and what should be. I think is a really interesting one. Because I think that going forward on fourth down is the prime example of something that started out as what should be sure and his very quickly moving into. What is and now you see coaches getting lambasted for not being aggressive enough. And now everyone's like, well, look if you go for it on fourth down more often, you're more likely going to get, you know, more points over the course of a season, which mathematically is correct. But it's taken some time to get there. And I have well, I don't know how it's going to end up. But I think specialists and drafting specialists is kind of in that mold for for you as well. Right. Yeah. And it's just in the other thing, I think the final thing I guess that I'll say is like the drafted punters aren't even markedly better than the undrafted ones. Right. Like saying it goes back to like the general thing about the draft is that we we don't know a whole lot right about these things. And so when it comes to punters the NFL teams evaluations on punter. Aren't any better than they are at other positions? Right. It's not like they're they're so good at identifying this specific skill that like, okay, if they're going to draft him those guys end up being really good like sometimes it works out. Right. You look at the best punter in the NFL over the past three years has been Thomas morstead. He was a fifth round pick the next three guys in terms of three year grade for us at PF, which is a punting grading system, by the way that was helped developed by a former NFL punter, and Chris clearly he's the one that kind of helped us form that system the next three guys in the list or undrafted. And then you look at the other fifth rounders, right? You're just as likely to get a guy like Bradley pin Radley was below average Boehner. So it's all over the board still. So you're not even by that by wasting that pick not even guaranteed to get good production at that. And then there's the question of like, even if you do what does that good production at punting really worth. And I think too I if you're worried about your punter guess what upgrade your offense and don't worry about punting. Just go for it on fourth down. I'm ready to move. Needle all the way to that. That rent there's never punt already way too much time that I wanted to spend on. But I thought I love that you did. I miss writing. I'm not nearly as a versa dropping punter as you are. I think drafting hundred if you think it's your guys fine like in the fifth round at the earliest. But even then I think the way the board was falling down the Niners could have applied their resources a little bit better. But then you get to their actual actually one more thing really quickly because this is going to be a retort that we hear often but Bill Belichick traded up for a punch in the fifth round. And I think that even I who okay with drafting specialists and punters in the fifth round think that is a false analogy easiest because when you look at the context of the situations in which both teams are operating. It's not the same will start with the fact that wealth the patriots have a Super Bowl roster and the forty Niners. Do not we can start. There is point number one. Right. I think there's a number. You have to look at the surrounding context. Right. It's not as simple as. This team is good. And they drafted a punter in this team is bad and they drafted a punter. But that didn't make it a bad decision. Because the good team. Did it too right? It's. Again, the manager selection of a punter was what the one hundred tenth overall pick. And this was what their fourth pick in this entire draft. Right. So a player again that they should be looking for an actual contributor for the patriots. The punter was their ninth pick. They already done such a good job in the draft that accumulating picks in that second third fourth round range and had taken so many players already that. Yeah. By the time, you're getting to draft your ninth and tenth guys, you just don't have that many roster spots, and you're already working with a much better roster to begin with your you're working with again Super Bowl roster and the forty Niners are working with a roster that just earned the second overall pick. And so those situations aren't really compatible. But then you get to the the forty Niners other pick in those kind of mid to late rounds, and it was their fifth round pick, Drake. Greenlaw linebacker from Arkansas the forty Niners feel like they got some value here. They had them higher on their list. He did run a four seven three the combine. But and this. Is an interesting factoid. They had GPS data from Arkansas that indicated that he was faster than its four seven time. Do you think that the I don't ever think the forty is going to be rendered useless because the NFL has created a cottage industry for combine stuff in scoring and hand time versus laser time. But do you think that we will ever just kind of shoot the combine forty and just be like cool? We can put a GPS chip in his shoulder pads and see how fast the actually is on the field. I mean, it would be a while. Right. I think the the benefit of having the forty are. Dash is that we have all this Stoorikhel data to go back, and we can compare right. All of these combine drills have been the same forever. And so it's very easy. We have a large data set to work with. And so you know teams like having that ability to. Compare those directly and be able to get better results because they have a wider data sets work from right now. The the issue with the GPS data is that we just don't have a lot of it. And especially the college level rightly so the NFL level in general. They just got everyone has it. Right. They just got to the point where every team gets every teams data. And so the college level their way further behind the nexus has a chip at. But you know, you're going to get some of your bigger schools, right bigger programs that have a lot of money that can do it. But the problem is selling ain't gonna have it is. Yeah. And it's just not the same stuff that everybody's using in. So it's it's far more difficult to make comparisons. Then again, this stuff hasn't been around that long. So if a guy is running at a certain speed now like cool that sounds good. But we don't know like what did these other picks that went high where where they run, and we don't know, right. We'd have nothing to compare it to you right now. So I think if that is something that happens it is much further down the road when that. Data's had time to really build itself up. Yeah. When you look at his when you look at his tape, which I didn't watch a whole hell of a lot of it. But the tape that I did see he does seem faster than four seven. But he certainly doesn't seem fast overall. His lettuce is a members were not great. So I think if the team is looking for the trait that they're getting with this player, it's probably his tackling ability. He was a pretty sure tackler in college thinking ranked twelfth and tackling efficiency. But that's about the only thing at least initially that you can say like, okay, that's great. And then when you look at kind of their opportunity costs with this pick they had if we're gonna pick a linebacker here. Cool. That's great. But Blake Cashman was on the board when they selected greenlaw, and like Cashman, I think was an overall better prospect on a lot of different ways when you compare him to the prospect that was that was drapery and law, right? I think yeah. I don't have a ton to say here again. I think you know, of course, he would have rather they go for coverage or something like that. But it's the fifth round. It doesn't really if you want to add some linebacker depth, whatever especially with as we'll get into a little bit later kind of where they feel. Things are at their secondary right now. Go go get your linebacker as we've talked about you know, kind of each draft season. One of the things that we like teams to look for in. These later round picks is find somebody that is has like one really really good thing that they can lean on which is like that may be athleticism. Right. Maybe they're just a very unfinished prospect. They haven't shown a lot on the field for whatever reason. But they're fantastic athlete. Okay. Take a chance on that guy can coach him up or you take the guy that has just despite kind of poor athleticism has been able to produce it is super high level right is just he's been able to make plays despite what he's working against physically. See if he can he can continue to do that the next level. Right. Take a chance on those guys with greenlaw. He kind of isn't either? So he was you know, like, a sixteen th percentile athlete by spark. So even if you want to say that he's a little faster than his time. You still like a very clearly below average athletes. If you were to take his forty time up until like the high four fives, which is a significant increase off of four seven for an NFL player. That's still doesn't take athleticism score much higher than than where he's at right now. Right. I think. Yeah. Even if you want to say is a little bit better than what he tests that he tested at so poorly that that's still not going to be that great. And then from production standpoint, he was actually kind of one of the worst linebackers in this class at Arkansas. So when you look at the guys that were either drafted or is a part of our top fifty big board at PF that group linebackers. He was the second lowest graded when you look at his three year grade in doing that again at a. Top conference in college football like doesn't leave. You feeling super great about where he was out on the field. You would have liked to see we see all the time linebackers, especially come from schools that otherwise aren't that? Great. But they can stand out. Right. It's it's easy for a linebacker to be able to stand out. Even if the guy's around them, aren't that? Great. He didn't really do that in. So. Yeah, I think you know, it's like, whatever if their evaluation, let them there they wanna take a chance on like, I think it's just it's hard to find something based on what we know at this moment to feel super positive about him. So you mentioned having a player that does one thing. Really really, well, and I think when you get into the late around picks this is where the Niners actually really started getting some value out of their picks. And the back end if the top of their draft was was really good. And in the middle kind of had this. I'm not sure how I feel about them or I just think it was a poor decision. Overall, their final three picks were I think really good. You look at cadence Smith tight on that a Stanford six round overall hundred and Seventy-six he's the guy who does one thing really. Really well, run this guy on his seem route and throw it up to him. And he's probably going to catch it. And he's he's really really good at it. Despite the fact that he's not again super athletic. He was not fast. He was not the George Kittle high spark tight end he was still I in the class on deep catch rate. He was third in deep passing yards. And he was first in slot receptions and second slot yards. So this is someone who's gun in right for Celik for Sally time. And and I think you know, Garrett Celik is a backup tight end. He fills his role and your the team probably does need an upgrade for that. Second tight end slot. And they drafted someone who's got a very very specific set of skills. And that's exactly the type of player you want to target late in the draft. And I think it was you know, all things considered a really good pick. Right. I think definitely some value. I think you know, you wouldn't have been surprised to see him go around or two earlier. I think. Yeah. Like, not the greatest athlete doesn't have necessarily great speed. But there's enough there. I think you know, he gets Inada cuts all right for his size. I think he's definitely a better receiver. I mean, you know, he does have obviously substantial blocking experience plane at Stanford and the offense that they run, but he spent roughly equal time in line and out either in the slaughter out wide a receiver. So has been able to move around a little bit and that offense and do some different things. I think. Yeah. Absolutely his best girl. And this was something that Lynch and Shanahan brought up when they were talking about in the press or something that I really read with where. Yeah. His best asset is really kind of his catch radius. He's not going to necessarily like leap out of the building for over the top guys and surly, but he's a big target. And if you get it in his area like he's really good is going up with he had more contested targets than anybody. Any other tight end this class and came down with a really, hyper Senator though so over fifty percent of his contested targets. He caught. So that's kind of his thing. He's not going to run away from me. I think if you look at two games, you can really kind of see both sides of it. The Oregon game is kind of the high end of things you really made a lot of great plays decibels seem in kind of that intermediate to right around twenty yard range and then the game against Notre Dame. You see the lack of athleticism little bit. He really struggled a separate in that game. And just wasn't wasn't a good look for over only colleague one six targets. I believe in that game. And just wasn't great overall. So I think he's going to have some struggles. If he runs into situations where he's matched up with you know, linebackers or really probably more the safeties that are much better athletes than him. He's going to really struggle the kind of separate from those guys. And so it's going to be kind of on Jimmy to be able to trust even though he's not gaining separation to still give them a chance to kind of make a plan the ball. But I think there's a a really good. I think he has a really a chance of taking that number two tight end spot. I think he's likely a better receiver than in. Any of the other non-kill tight ends at this point. So yeah, I think there's definitely a chance that he can come in and find a role in this offense. And I mean that's second tight end spot has been a revolving door for Shanahan and Lynch announced since they've been here. I mean, you look at you know, they're going after players like Kollwitz and Ross dwelling and Logan Paulsen. And you know, Selleck spin the kind of the person who's who's been there. But I think they are very much looking to upgrade that role. And I think this might be the guy to do it eventually as a role player and has that second tight end not someone who's going to have a ton of snaps, but someone who can fit a very very specific role and can give the team some quality snaps as Celik gets into the twilight of his career. But then you get to probably one of the more value picks where you're actually getting some solid lettuce. Zim good production. But someone wants some injury concerns, and that's Tim Harris cornerback from Virginia whom the Niners drafted sixth in the six round hundred ninety eighth overall. And when you're talking about value, this is this is the poster child for value late in the draft. If you're going to gamble on someone you gamble on someone who is a plus athlete who fits your profile who had great who had some great production. But has that injury asterisk next to his name? Right. He just I mean, he spent six years at Virginia. Didn't he got like a special exemption to get an additional year of eligibility? So I think it was weird. Yeah. He he had like six or seven years in college. I mean, basically, the only dude older than him on the roster might be our punter. But. She and of course, just goes without saying it's actually Mike mcglinchey contract that he's legally older than the oldest person on the roster. With harris. I mean. Yeah, you look it again checks. A lot of the boxes is far as late round prospects. Go and things that you like to see is a fantastic athlete. One of the best athletes at the corner position in his draft class ninety second percentile so again better than ninety two percent of the Cornerbacks in the NFL. There had really good change direction. And kind of jumped numbers it was explosiveness their fit really well with his size because he does have that kind of prototypical size that they really do prefer to have in this defense. So he's six two two hundred has some solid length in so all of those fit kind of what we know that they like to see cornerback. And then the production is Ben solid again for a lot of his career was if he but this last year was the season he was able to spend the most time on the field in did really. Well, how to coverage grade that was approaching ninety. Even as three year coverage grade was kinda landed in the mid eighties there. So we really solid production stuff that you don't typically see that combination of athleticism man production for a six round pick. He's definitely got some things to clean up technique wise. I mean there there was some some spots where it looked kinda ugly. And there's there's some things that he needs to work on. But absolutely as a player worth taking a chance on that late in the draft. And I think that when you look at the Niners prefer players actually kill it will it's been it wasn't necessarily willing tackler. But if the Niners are going to have a profile, they would want someone who's going to be able to be a willing tackler. And when you look at some of what Tim Harris does he's absolutely able to mix it up and get in there. So if you don't like corners that are averse to contact and you didn't like the greedy Williams picked because we thought oh, he's averse to contact. I don't want to drive someone like that. Tim Harris doesn't have that blight. He's able to get in there and mix it up. And I mean, you would hope so with as big as dude is I mean, sixty two hundred at the corner position. So that's probably when when we're talking about value when you're. Talking about someone who could have gone much earlier in the draft. This is probably their value pick. And I'm excited to see what what his career blossoms into. If it does. Because that's you know, these are the kinds of picks especially late that you wanna make definitely I mean, I think this was a guy that you know, so Renner and Steve or the guys that do the put together our big board at PF. I mean, they had him as the one hundred seventeen overall player there. So again, a guy that could have gone is early as the fourth round probably maybe even a little bit earlier in that. If you had a team that really kind of fell in love with it is far as what he did show when he was on the field there. And obviously an injury concerns is probably the the main thing that really pushed him down quite a bit. But again, you want to take some chances on guys at least if shown you something that they give you a reason to think they might be able to come in and find a roster spot for you. And I think he absolutely has the ability to do that. So there were a couple of comments that team made when they were talking about their draft picks. And I wanted to ask if you question. About that. But before we get into that just a quick message from our sponsors. Everybody. I'm Neil Patel editor in chief of the verge. And this is the verge cast. I guess is the flagship podcast the verge every week. We cover the latest in tech news reviews. We took a critical look at what is going on now. And next in the world with tech show hosted by me, our executive editor Peter bone, not your friend and Paul Miller. It just feels like there's something wrong with all computers, though. 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See to me and Paul ranting each other about the role of the government and check us out on Tuesdays. When I have seen every episode. Subscribe to diverse chace wherever podcasts are served. We'll see them. I'm curious what you thought about the comments that Lynch made when he was asked about drafting a corner, and he basically had a formulation of the you don't come in and take us Martius job quote, but he was talking specifically about corners. And he said, you know, when when we're looking at the corner position, you really have to think to yourself are they going to come in and beat Richard Sherman, or they're gonna come in and beat the Killa Witherspoon antivirus, more and all these players that have some question marks over their head. You know that the only player that really doesn't Richard Sherman. But he's very clearly on the decline of his very great. What will probably assuredly be a hall of fame career? But that's that self evaluation of the corner position is what really took the team away from drafting or adding to that area. It seems like and I think that's that was interesting to hear their evaluation in the room. And it was interesting to hear what seemed like the aversion to adding talent for a team that supposedly values competition at every level. Right. And it was very strange because he also had a comment that was in there that said you can't have enough good Cornerbacks which was really seemed to run against this. I mean, I think the that line of thinking, isn't that bad? I mean the way Shanahan explained it. Right. I think makes a lot of sense, which is essentially, okay. You're sitting there in the third round. Right. And you have a receiver and a cornerback that you feel roughly equally with with your evaluation. And then you have to kind of look at the roster. Right. Okay. Does is it more likely that we can bring this receiver in and he can come in and help us out born be better than the guys. We haven't roster or is this corner. Do it. Right. I think that line of thinking is very good. And sound the part where it breaks down is thinking that you're set with the group of Cornerbacks that they have right? I think that's the concerning part. And as we've talked about many times with the Cornerbacks that they have on the roster. There is reason to be excited about some of these guys. And there are definitely scenarios that play out that these guys multiple these guys ended up being. In good players the probability of the outcome of what happens with the corner position. And there's a world in which all of the people take a step forward or they get back to their rookie form in the case of Adrian Colbert Jimmy awards stays healthy and Richard Sherman. Takes another step because he's fully healthy this year. A pillow Witherspoon becomes the corner that we thought he would be and all of a sudden you have a pretty fearsome kind of quarterbacks or secondary. But that is kind of on the outline of the probability curve. Right. And the other the other outlier is that they'll suck. And the truth is going to be somewhere in the middle of that bell curve when you're thinking of the probability of outcomes. And so the more the more likely scenario is that some of them end up. Okay. Some of them end up crappy. But if half of those dudes end up crappy, you still overall have a pretty boy secondary that needs some help exactly like the thing that we know kind of above all else is when you have a lot of question marks not all of them are going to be answered positively right? We've seen this time and time again where the team is kind of relied. Heavily on younger players in the development of those young players in. That's put them in a bad spot. Right. If only ABCD all workout, and these guys all progress the way that we hope then we'll be fine. And like, yes, sure. If that happened, you probably would be fine. But you can't really plan around that way. You know, you have you have to plan for the opposite. Right. You hope for that. Exact what you plan for the opposite. What what we would like to see is that you recognize that. Okay. Our past defenses one of the most important things that we can do as a team and team building. And we wanna make sure all aspects of that are good. And we've done par part of that is we've loaded up on pass rush. And that's great fantastic. Dine is going to be super fun. I can't wait. Absolutely. So you do that. And then but also bringing don't be afraid to bring in guys in the secondary. Right. You wanna make the pass coverage as good as it doesn't have to be a one or the other. I think a lot of times in this argument of like, okay, which is more important. It gets lost that. They're both important. They both matter. And so you don't want to just like put all of your eggs in one of the baskets. You want to be able to have kind of complimentary pieces there in. So you wanna have enough options at cornerback that if guys go down with injury, you have options to go to right or that you just give your like most portent that you give yourself more chances to succeed. And if you you have six of these guys, you think can all come in and compete, it's better than it's more likely that you're going to have two or three of them actually hit and be really good than if you only have four. No, I think you look at the strategy of someone like Dorsey who added greedy Williams on the secondary already has Denzil award. But why the hell not Ed, greedy? Right. And he spent a pretty high draft pick in order to go get him. He wasn't afraid that that was going to impact that that defensive secondary. Even though he's already got a couple of really good players there. And you look at was it Roseman who said that, you know, we don't want to be so era that to think that it's all going to work out or that. We're always going to be right. You want more chances to hit? And I think that's that's exactly the philosophy. And so it was definitely curious. But the value the front seven that's where they're adding all of their resources. I think it will be interesting to see how that plays out. Did we learn anything else about the team and their decision making process because to me these moments and the draft where you get to see their decisions exposed are really interesting moments to learn a bit about what they like what they prefer and their overall process for adding talent to the roster. So did we learn anything about this team now in year three? Of seeing the move through this draft. I don't know that we learned a whole lot new. But I think we had some things reinforced that would that we already suspected, right? I think one of the things that we had become worried about was effectively them. Zeroing in on certain players, and deciding that they're going to get that player. No matter the cost, right? These end up largely being their worst decisions. Right. It's the the juice contract. It's the Malcolm William, Malcolm Smith signing. It's deciding that you can't go to sleep at night. If you don't get CJ Beathard and Joe Williams on your roster. It's it's those type of decisions that I can't go to night until I see his picture CJ bathroom. I look at that photograph look look at that photograph don't ever stop looking at that photograph. Right. So I wonder that will get old today's not that today's not that day. And so I think you know, we've we've seen them kind of every offseason identify certain players and just aside. This is the guy right? There's there's no other player that can possibly do what this player does for us. We have to have him and they pay way above what the market value is to get that player and largely they've been wrong on those players. They have not. It'd be one thing if they were hitting on all of those guys on those were they were coming in and making a big difference. Again, those of largely been their worst decisions so far through three years. And so I think it's concerning. You wanna be able to understand that? Yes. We may like this guy better. But there's you have to understand which players are truly special and which ones. Yeah, we might like more than others, but we can find similar skills. Elsewhere without having to pay that extra premium, right? You wanna put the big resources go over the top for the guys who really truly are special. Title, not the fullback that you think is the best fullback available. Yeah. I think I probably didn't learn anything new about the team. But I think that absolutely things got reinforced. They definitely I think some of the thing that I have to separate myself from is that I really want them to approach it a certain way. But I think obviously Lynch and Shanahan and approach it a very different way. So my takeaways mostly about how I'm going to try to approach evaluating what the hell they're doing. And putting it try to put it through their lens. Even though in the back of my head. I'm going to be like probably a quarterback, but to okay, I totally get that you're throwing resources into your front seven and you're going to have like ninety seven linebackers. Okay. Cool. Let's see how that works out. Yeah. It's going to understand that that element of it. Right. You wanna look at it through their lens and see if okay is the way that they're approaching this does there seem to be a coherent plan in place. Like, do these things make sense when you're looking at it through that lens? And you know, sometimes that's true. I think a lot of their offense of moves. Right. I think that's true. And that makes sense considering Cal Shanahan. I think the problem has been on defense. It's really, you know, obviously, we will continue to to make fun of the juice contract forever until probably tell well beyond when he leaves this team because it was so bad. But I think largely the problems have been defensively. Right. That's when they have really been done a poor job of identifying those players they've gone out of their way to get some of them. And it just generally has not worked out for them. You know, when I think about the plan on offense specifically, I think about the forty Niners trying to get bigger and trying to get bullyish on offense. And I think that is really interesting. Because I don't know how Jalen hurts going to turn out, but they definitely come to him for his size and his athleticism and while I don't think Shanahan is right. They're going to play him out wide receiver. I do think that trotting out there with two wide receivers. And then moving him into kind of a bigger formation or maybe he can be a back or something like that. Could you know, we know that running out or passing under running formations can be very very valuable and someone like deebo Samuel who is also plays very very aggressively and their tight end who's also kind of a big type of receiver. It just seems like and they wanna use Goodwin. Moore's as a gadget guy and more in that Taylor Gabriel role. I'm not saying that they're going to come out here and trot out Jim Harbaugh's offense. But I'm curious what kinds of things Shanahan has in his mind that he wants to deploy these tools with the interesting thing to me is. Okay. So like, the her thing this, I think is a really good comparison. You talk about players that can not only lineup wide and run routes and be a research. Lever out there be a legitimate receiving threat. But also be able to motion in the backfield and be a running threat or or the opposite. Right. Maybe they're starting in the backfield because Vietnamese running back, and they can go out out wide like is Jalen Hurd going to be able to do that at a higher level than jerk. Mckinnon. I think it's it's almost one hundred percent certain that he's better runner or even right Coleman. You think Hohmann? A receiver one of my favorite receiving routes that tendon Coleman runs is that corner out from the backfield. And he runs it very well, and he is faster than Jalen Hurd. When he runs that. Right. And we've seen McKinnon like legitimately, go out wide and run receiver style routes, right? It's not just being good good is a receiver for running back. Right. He's done like legitimate receiver e things out there. And so it's like on offense. You do run into a situation where you can only have so many of these guys on field. Right. You can only get so many of them the ball. And when you start to overlap skill sets too much. I think which is what the heard thing. Like the heard thing. Yes, he may have some versatility. But does he do any one of those things better than other players that are already on the roster? Like, I don't I don't know. Like right now, I think the answer is no. And so it's just they have versatile piece. I think looking for that stuff finding guys who can be threats and don't really give away those run past and its use is clearly an important part of what Shanahan wants offense of. And I think that's great, right? Sure. Go for that. That's valuable thing. That makes sense we seek New England have a lot of success doing similar stuff. Like, you can be very successful with that approach. That's fine. It's just like, okay. Using those picks on things where we can already get that accomplished with. What's there is that the best use of that resource hitting? That's the concern. I think my last kind of thought to is there are there are I think one you want to put into context that. We're not saying that this team is like the giants, right? When we take issue with some of their gentleman is uniquely uniquely terrible at his job currently. Yes. And so when we take issue with some of their approach, I think it's important to point out like we're not trying to say this is like the worst run organization football. Currently, right. Like nothing really close to that quite the opposite. I actually kind of like the draft overall understanding that you you're not gonna hit on every pick every team makes mistakes curious decisions and some of them work out some of them don't. But I think top to bottom they at least initially because we we have no idea how these players are going to pan out. But initially it good. But the the other thing is like they kind of they've continued to make some of these these mistakes. And I think it's by all accounts, like something we should expect them to continue to zero in on some of these players, and they're probably going to continue to miss on some of them. Hopefully, they will hit on more of them going forward. But. The thing is if Jimmy is the player that we think in Hopi is it's probably not going to matter. And so I think that's a tough spot to be when you're trying to evaluate things because you know, what how much is this stuff ultimately going to affect the win loss. I think there is a real chance that if Jimmy isn't a bonafide consistent top five quarterback. These are the little differences that are going to mean the difference between being a playoff team and being a legitimate Super Bowl contender. Right. It's finding those those advantages on the margins in really getting the most out of your fifty three man roster and putting those resources in the right place. That's going to be the thing. But they're not going to be a bad team. If Jimmy is healthy and a good quarterback. It's just not going to happen. Yeah. And I think when you look at their plan their plan now is pretty obvious. They're going to throw a high level of really your price value resources at the front seven on defense. They. Lucked another quarterback, which is great. And they're looking for bigger more versatile pieces on offense that they can use either in specific roles or enrolls that don't tip pass run tendencies, and they feel like you can't put a ton of resources everywhere. So the place that are going to skip is coverage, and they're going to you either try to get athletes that perform or athletes at the system can cover up, and that's what they're going to rule out with them. They feel like the front seven is going to be able to mask that. And that's how they're building the team. They're building it really kind of from the inside out inside an offense with center tackles insight on defense with a bevy first round picks, and your linebackers, and then kind of going out from there, you really I think I think the defense it's very clear that it's built in Lynch's image. Right. He is he is very directly and he referred to it in the press conference, but he is referring back to his plane days. And you look at the best teams that he was on. It was the Tampa Bay team. And where were they best upfront, right? Right. And so that's the way that I think he very much believes is how you build winning defense is having a very very strong defensive line that can get home with four and be able to disrupt the quarterback. And I think that is obviously a very good thing. I think offenses aren't what they were. When those Tampa Bay teams, really good. And I think there there does need to be some judgements, and hopefully they will kind of see that they can't just ignore coverage. But yeah, it's I think very clearly built in in his image. What he wants that defense to look like so overall definitely positive for the Niners. They got some great value even late especially with that Tim Harris pick and their first couple of picks. I think we're going to be great prospects a couple of steps in the middle rounds. But you know, nobody's perfect. And now we get to make a wish puns I can say that name like I wish they would have taken another player with that pick something along those. I was waiting to see how long it would take you pull. Mitch wish now ski one high favorite tweets was for a second thought we drafted Mike was Ascii. That was pretty good. Let's talk some game of thrones. Because game of thrones was a great episode. And we've got some time here on the back of the episode. If you haven't seen the battle of winter fell just stop right now. Thank you for tuning in follow me on Twitter at better arrivals, David Rosenthal. You it's going to be happy f f underscore, David. And as always going cool game of thrones battle of winter fell. Gimme your thoughts. Go I think as an episode like just kind of self contained. It was fantastic. Wasn't right. Hop five episode or a top four episode. Loaded question. I mean, it was I'd have to think about it a little bit more. It was it was up there. I'm fine. Putting it other loaded as a horrid author Accu running into the night, just disappear. And man that was honestly that scene with the doth Raqi and all of their lights all their swords. And they just run out. I'm like, okay. First of all stupid move running your cavalry right into an unseen army of the dead. But whatever we gotta get rid of them. Somehow, John John I just want to throw this out there. John as a as a battle commander is the guy who is like the head coach who's five zero win close games. But has like a Pythagorean win percentage to fifty like he should be one in four maybe best in these scenarios, but it's all worked out, and he's five now, you know. You know? It's just like he does some dumb shit sometime. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But yeah. But then the the moment that the lights started extinguishing. I was like oh, man. Like that. That was I knew I was totally in at that moment. I mean, it starts with one shot or aware. The fuck is ghost. Don't give me goes like running out there, and then just disappear in for the rest of how the last four episodes here. What you're CGI budget is budget on jaw-dropping dragons, literally jaw dropping dragons blue fire coming out of his neck when it got time for ghost to go. Whatever I didn't hear here. Ghost hate ghost. Is is fucking legit. All right. Yeah. Huge fan John there. John shouldn't be anywhere without ghosts. That's how that shit works. Yeah. I'm going to drag him at school. But so you get to the the battle and the battle tactically was an absolute mess. The this is in a bad thing about the episode. I still very much enjoyed the episode. But whoa, man, putting your. Siege. Weapons in front of the walls and your army. Yeah. Totally creating natural chokepoints with the and I don't even know what they're called. But the spikes that they had to prevent the all the white walkers from getting to the walls. All you did was create joke points for your for your people to walk through. It's like did you not learn anything from the battle of Thermopylae three hundred yet again, John questionable decisions is a battle commander. Yeah. I think I mean, everything in the episode was was great, right? The aria moment was great. I think it's just I'm a little frustrated with the idea that the night king that was it the big like, so this is the threat that's been set up from the first scene of the first episode, the prologue of the first book, this is the threat, and you're gonna tell me all ends with him coming down from the wall. Okay. Cool. We blow through an abandoned wall. Whatever we go down to last hearth mop up. Whatever remains there as they're trying to get the fuck out. And then we're going to blow a twenty eight three lead it when it fell like, that's that's all that's all. We're getting from the the threat that threatens to extinguish humanity the long face of the fucking earth. He's going to blow a twenty eight three lead in his first real game action here like. Come on. And like setting up, sir. C to be like the final big bad is just bullshit Sirsi should have been fucking dead a long time ago. I don't dislike the idea of, sir. She as the head boss lady. I think at least for me the palace intrigue, and what's been happening with in the Lancasters and even back to the brat themes that part's always been more interesting to me because the night king as a villain was so poorly developed, right? That's that's part of it is they just the whole thing with the night king and setting story up. They didn't do a great job. This is why Brennan Nike and was such a popular theory. Because I think fans everywhere we're like the there has to be more to this. There has to be more to him and this exit essential threat. And so getting rid of them. I think is the move you have to make because unless you're going to spend another twenty thirty minutes telling us more about him and his backstory, which they should have and could end on two episodes, even if you're going to. Yeah. I mean, they could have done it way earlier, obviously. But if you're gonna if you're gonna push last minute good, plenty of time in these first. Episodes when you're basically just chilling. It winter fell getting ready to die. My favorite moment, though, was the moment between Tyrian and Santa when they're in the crypts, and they're hiding behind one of the big coffins, and they just kind of look at each other and hold each other's hands. And just I felt like that moment was double suicide. Oh, yeah. I thought that they were going to go out in a blaze of glory, man. And it was everything I loved about that show because I think from a visual, storytelling perspective, they said and communicated everything with images, they didn't really have to say anything, and you felt immediately like oh, man. She just told him that he was the best of them, and you think of her, and, you know, getting raped and going through the hard shit that she's had to go through and Tyrian going through that and always feel on the key was never good enough. And they were gonna go out guns blazing. And that moment just I welled up a little bit because I was like, oh, yeah, man. And I thought they would I thought they were absolute toast. And again, the the crypts thing was the payoff was not as good there. They know they what are you? Are you in the I wanted more people to die camp? Like, I one hundred percent more people should have died again. This is people died. But, but are you disappointed that a lot of the main characters survived like, Jaime and Brienne and pod? They're all still there. Right. I think that's. In San reasonable for them literally got in a giant beanbag chair of dead bodies. And started stabbing one. Does like yeah. I mean Sam should have been eaten up at like three or four different points. Probably. Yeah. I think getting that many major characters through this battle is like a little a little iffy. I think so, but I don't I don't really care that much. I think people were expecting there to be a lot of deaths because they were expect because they were raised and weaned on everything that game of thrones was and it was very subversive in the we're gonna kill all your main characters. And so everyone saw this is a point to kind of coal the herd and get the kind of the superfluous characters out and really narrow it in for the last three episodes. But when and this was something they mentioned on the watch podcast from the ringer. They said when was the last time that a major character died unexpectedly and it was really season four with the viper. Jeff. And that was when they were still very much humming based on the book stories, and I think it's a great point that they raise up where it's like. Yeah. That was the last time, and I think we've all been writing off that high. For a long time. But it's been pretty traditional television for the last couple of seasons from once they ran out of book, they had, you know, basically a stretch there where they did a bunch of book payoff stuff things that they knew were were likely coming. And then since then yet, it's been you know, I think there's been some questionable things I think again, they shortened did a lot. But yeah, I think the just the idea that like, sir Syed doesn't have to get any shit from like like she should have been had to see that fucking army of the dead come to king's landing wreck shop there. I don't know how because I thought that they were going to lose this battle and eventually win whatever war, but lose this individual battle and retreat some house to king's landing iron islands or something. Like that given the way that battle played out. I have no idea how they would have retreated like, and I think you said it, right? Get everyone on the dragons which. Yeah. I mean that was basically I think the only way they could have done it, which was essentially like, okay. We're going to get the main whatever main characters we've got left on the back of the two dragons and just get out in bail, and maybe some escape through kind of some secret passages and the crypts and like they maybe pop up later on or something like that. But yeah, it was going to be like not a lot of people make it out of this. They gotta go back to king's landing. Like, I wonder like 'cause we we have the scene from the throne room in king's landing that looks like what combination ash snow, not really not really sure. Like are we going to get that? Like what how how's that going to happen? Like, I thought that would be something that nuclear nuclear war develops a nuclear bomb. Sure. I mean also can't rule it out with only three episodes left. You know, spend a lot of times on that went up that that's going to be the end. It's just gonna cut to black just like the sopranos gun. But yeah, again episode was great. I initially like had a little bit issue with aria being the one facility thought through it. I was like all right. This was at least something that was set up much earlier on it wasn't kind of. They had known that. This was going to be how they wanted to do it. And so I can appreciate that a little bit. I'm. There was pay off. And she. Yeah. I mean, obviously training to be an assassin for a while. And I think she when you think of how they were fighting you have I mean, basically most everyone was just hacking and slashing she was actually fighting in a very visually interesting way. I mean, we saw her with a a staff we saw with a spear with a dagger. So EROs we saw with basically any weapon a blade that she puts in some poor personal shit, man. Oh, man. That was that was gross like the blood blood vomit stuff. Oh, yeah. No. I mean that was I mean, she was awesome. I have no whatsoever. And I have no problem with the like, oh Where'd she come from? It's like don't care. She can literally wear other people's faces. Yeah. I think fine. I think. Yeah. It makes it makes sense that if you know kind of had to be something that was sneaky. She was clearly like the sneaky one that was going to potentially do something like that. Yeah. I didn't think it like I never really thought that it was going to be like, John. Or something like that would have been. I actually would have been a little disappointed had been John because it would have been like. Okay. Here we go. John fucking does everything. Right. Like, it's. Yeah. It was a little trite like Brian isn't doing shit. I know. Yeah. I again, only man. I don't know only thing I can think of that only thing I can think of and this is kinda my my final thought on it is I the only thing that will help salvage him as a character is if he does a little work next episode. And if he was working and doing something more when he was just kicking it under the tree. Yeah. He was just like chilling like I'm gonna come in and rose. I also one thing that I thought we were going to get pay off on that. I'm really surprised that we didn't. This was something that Jason Concepcion from the ringer brought up which was basically you had that scene from the previous episode where Tyrian goes up to brand kind of after they break from the the kind of the battle plan meeting that they were having their and everybody else leaves and Tyrian stays there. And and basically is like tell me your journey like tell me what happened. You gotta think to set that scene up that has to have a purpose. Right. That had to have a payoff. You can't like you spent the time just from a peer production standpoint, you spent the time to get everybody there to shoot that scene to have that moment happen, and you're just going to leave it, and we just assume they had a nice chat for like an hour or two and we never hear from that. Again, like that seems like a strange decision. Like, I thought we were going to get something there that like he told like he's been going back. Maybe went back and saw how the long line into the first time, and he gave Tyrian some information that was going to help. Or, you know, something that was going to help them in their cause at day. And then it was just like now doesn't matter. All right favorite death. Of like favorite in what way whatever whatever you're feeling. I mean Giora went out how Joris should've went out. Oh, yeah. For sure I think that's that was a good one for sure. I'm glad that theon. He's finally done. I'm over. Yeah. Yeah. For that story died valiantly. He was thanked before he's self sacrificed. Yeah. I mean, he it was such a such a dumb like I'm just going to plunge in here like knowing that you're going to die. I mean, obviously he was going to die regardless. Did it? It was just hilarious seen him. I asked that question. I was like if I I thought in that moment. I was like all right. I'm about to die. I know this. What like how do I choose to go? Like, do I self immolate at this point? I just set myself on fire, and but like laid them on the phone because I'm out like or do I rush in just like, the I I don't know what I'm glad I never have to think about that more than the thirty seconds. That flashed in my mind and then episode, correct? But all right. So we've got three episodes left all hour and a half, long episodes. And it'll be interesting. I don't know that we'll do, you know, fifteen minutes at the end of every show when it goes on. This was this was I think overall it was one of the best episodes of the entire series. I think as a movie, which is what it was. Yeah. It was a very very good movie. And I thought that the directors did a good job. Even if they probably need a new colorist to lighten up the shots a little bit. I don't know I'm fine with that John last parting, John you're going to yell at a dragon man, I'm gonna sit there and fucking just yell at that dragon again, John John five five no five. No. But that by Thackery and win percentage is not great at John. Good the Pythagorean king. Yeah. I love it. Oh, man. Well, there it is. Thanks again for tuning in. And if you've gotten this far, thanks again for staying all the way to the end as loyalists Nur's often do so thanks again. And as always go Niners. My name is Spencer home by name is Jason Kurt. My name is Ryan nanny, we combined. We form the shutdown full Tron keep telling you, we're not from this forecast is technically a college football podcast. But it's also a show about won't care disaster regional grocery stores. We love Tennessee Batman, homeowners associations bears in video games. Pittsburgh. Batman the hell of being drafted a group. Text unreliable legal advice. I mean, there's also some actual football discussion about coaches, having used contracts coaches making terrible decisions or coaches, saying really stupid things or the NC double A's saying released. Yeah, there's lots of stupid things in this big dome. Beautiful sport like time Arkansas decided to use a captured feral hog as a mascot and it escaped and they wound up killing seven rattlesnakes a pig and a Coyote, sometimes we talk about okay, allegedly if. If you wanna take college football exactly as seriously as it deserves to be taken come find us on apple podcasts Spotify or wherever else you listen to podcasts like this one this up to have focused. It's not voltron unless it is Cam.
March Madness: Sam Hurd
"Welcome to the sports. Criminals March madness special everyday in March. We're counting down the top thirty one sports scandals of the past thirty one years today. We're heading back to the year. Two thousand eleven after five seasons with the Dallas Cowboys Sam heard signed a three year contract with the Chicago bears but he wouldn't even make it through his first season for more shocking sports events from history tune in right here every day to our March Madness Special. Listen free on spotify or wherever you get your podcast. December fourteenth two thousand eleven Chicago. A black escalade cruised through the rainy night pulling up outside. A Morton steakhouse the car backed into a space beside the entrance and man stepped out. He approached the restaurant confident. But careful wary that someone might recognize him. His name was Sam heard wide receiver for the Chicago bears if the wrong people overheard his conversation tonight. His football career would immediately come to mind. Welcome to sports criminals. Apar- cast original. This is the twenty second episode in our March Madness special this month where counting down the top thirty one sports scandals from Nineteen Ninety to two thousand twenty. I'm Carter Roy and I'm Tim Johnson in today's episode. We're going back to two thousand eleven and the arrest of wide receiver. Sam Heard in July of two thousand eleven twenty six year old Sam heard signed with the Chicago bears as a free agent. The reserved wide receiver was known as a humble and God fearing man. Good player with a heart of gold. He was dedicated to giving back to the community donating significant portions of his earnings to local charities but only a few months after joining the bears. Everything came crashing down at around seven thirty five PM on December fourteenth. Two Thousand Eleven Sam entered. Morton steakhouse seated at table fifty four. He waited patiently for his guests to arrive to men entered one of them. A man going by the pseudonym. Havi air carried a cowboy hat in one hand and a white bag labeled happy birthday in the other. The other was a short man who was going by Carlos also not his real name. The men introduce themselves to Sam and sat at his table talking in hushed voices. The conversation lasted for seventy seven minutes and it was all recorded. The happy birthday bag contained a kilo of cocaine wrapped up under a small pile of tissue paper at the end of the conversation. Sam picked it up. As Sam stepped out of the steakhouse. He was surrounded by policemen arrested. He had been caught in a sting. Operation Heard was cut from the bears two days after his arrest though he was detained in Chicago he was brought back to Texas as the investigation had begun when he played for the Dallas Cowboys. He immediately pleaded not guilty to the charge of setting up a drug distribution network. Sam claimed that he took the cocaine because he was intimidated. Though he had been at Morton's to buy drugs he was worried that Carlos and Javier were cartel representatives. He only accepted such a large amount because he didn't want to cross them but as he awaited trial the reality of the situation hit home. Sam was facing ten years to life realizing he had little chance of being acquitted he switched his plea to guilty though he maintained publicly that he was never cocaine user or dealer. Sam was sentenced to fifteen years in prison. As of two thousand twenty he is still behind bars in Bastrop Texas. Thanks for listening to sports. Criminals March madness will be back tomorrow with next year's scandal. You can catch our other episodes of sports criminals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.
GOP Move to Skip Primaries Heads to Court
"The Journal is a new podcast from Gimblett media and the Wall Street Journal About Money Business Empower on this show we show you how a company's bottom line affects the decisions you make every day Google's entire future is predicated on it continuing to be the one place you go for the answer to all information and that's what's news for this Friday afternoon I'm Charlie Turner for the Wall Street Journal thanks for listening I kinda looking for a new protect against Turkey and and that will most likely be Assad regime and his Russian allies so that's part of the country hundreds of thousands of protesters marched in Barcelona spotify or wherever you get your podcasts sponsored by Merrill and linked in new revelations in the Boeing seven thirty-seven Max investigation a legal battle over whether Republicans should be forced to hold president fleet has been grounded for more than seven months fighting between Turkish and Kurdish forces flared in northern Syria on Friday just hours after a plant ceasefire journal I'm Charlie Turner in New York in the investigation of Boeing seven thirty-seven Max plane the FAA now says that Boeing withheld texts the Syrian Kurds have been allied with the US for a long time in the fight against Islamic state after the US withdrew troops from northeast Syria the Kurds for the fifth day on Friday blocking major boulevards paralyzing the city and forcing the shutdown of its famed Sagrada Familia Basilica separatists are calling for chiefs zone on the Turkish Syrian border with the Syrian government's main backer Russia the Wall Street Journal's Sunni Angle Rasmusen on what happens next I think we're all opium which together claimed three hundred forty six lives the FAA and other regulators are preparing to reassess the Max following software and training changes the global by a senior company pilot in which he told a colleague he had unintentionally misled federal investigators about a key system on the plane according to a transcript reviewed watching for any signs of the Kurds begin leaving the safe zone and Turks and Turkish back forces by the Wall Street Journal Boeing's chief technical pilot for the Max and a colleague appear to be discussing modifications of a flight control system known as m CASS so that so it's added another issue for companies to deal with as a reporting earnings this particular season it's Friday October eighteenth and this is the PM edition of what's news from the Wall Street Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison said Oracle has lost a brilliant and beloved later who personally touched the lives of so many of us during his decade at Oracle heard was a strong dollar is denting company profits with more recent events with the Federal Reserve easing interest rates usually that would make the dollar weaken we haven't really seen that happen to a large degree worked in low speed situations with increased power the caste system has been implicated in the two fatal crashes of the seven thirty seven Max in Indonesia and Atheist Catalonia to secede from Spain the latest wave of unrest was triggered by the sentencing of separatist leaders earlier this week the long-standing issue of Catalan independence it was against central to Spain's political debate the country's heading into parliamentary elections on November tenth while Friday's protests have so far been peaceful preview gratitude at a time of intensified competition in the business software market her joined Oracle in two thousand ten after serving a CEO at Hewlett Packard for five years cease violence. We're also watching for what will happen in the safe zone if the Kurds actually does that mean that the Syrian regime will move in for example estate have been marked by acts of violence and vandalism authorities say at least three hundred fifty people have been injured and over eighty detained since Monday Oracle Oko CEO Mark Hurd who had taken a medical leave of absence in September has died heard shared the CEO job with Safran cats leading the company's sales and chill primaries the argument in this case is hey if you're taking public money to operate this primary then you have to follow the rules that you said and you didn't in this case it doesn't mean the Russian soldiers in these are both potential new allies of the Syrian Kurds after the US withdrew as you probably know brokered by the US began president trump said the Turkish President Recep Erdogan told him in a phone call that minor sniper and mortar fire had been stopped trump says sixty two and it was a giant step for womankind today when NASA Astronauts Kristina Cook and Jessica Mir stepped outside the ISS today for the first both air to one and the Kurdish forces in the area want the cease fire but in a press conference Erdo once said that his government still needed to discuss how to set up a so-called sale. Chris things that an astronaut can do the journal is a new podcast from Gimblett media and the Wall Street Journal About Money Business Empower on this show we show you how a company's bottom line affects the decisions you make every day Google's sponsored by Merrill and Lincoln a battle is brewing over whether to hold a presidential primary in South Carolina a former Congress to skip the primary and unite behind president trump joining us from Raleigh North Carolina Is Wall Street Journal reporter Valerie Bore Line Valerie the judge is hearing the most this is one of the biggest financial heist that has ever happened period the journal is out now on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts awesome and a watchdog group have asked South Carolina judge to force the state GOP party to hold a presidential primary that's despite a decision by Republican leaders Asian but in any case I think both sides expect this will be one that gets appealed and most likely ends up in front of the South Carolina Supreme Court to decide whether they they'll be and and one possible outcome of this is that the regime simply booze into their to this safe zone vacated by the Syrian Kurds and consolidates control higher future is predicated on it continuing to be the one place you go for the answer to all information we follow the money and see where it takes us a group called protect democracy and their argument is hey you know primaries are a major way that voters get to set the direction of the two major those reasons one is that there was a cost savings component could save one point two million dollars in taxpayer money if the board of elections doesn't have to put on a race They said this assignment at the same time we recognize that it is a historic achievement and we do of course wants to give credit to all of those that came before us Komo up there with Iowa New Hampshire and it's an important cachet for the state but it's also just a a good thing for government in a long line of female scientists explores engineers and astronauts Leah followed in their footsteps to get where we are today spacewalks are often the most days in Friday as we speak but a ruling may not come for a while is that correct yes the hearing is going on Friday but it might take a few days for the judge to come up with Marianne Larry or whether they want why did the South Carolina Executive Committee of county representatives vote last month to forego a primary what was their reasoning they had a couple it wasn't going to have a primary they say they should decided that back in May during the State Convention as as the rules require so for the most part parties are able to kind of run there recent polling had him at ninety percent approval rating among Republicans in particular but he's as relatively popular overall so the justification of the party is Zizi where they actually skipped the famous South Carolina Republican primary who was it exactly that filed a lawsuit and what was their argument with there's a relatively new watched look we do we have a primary in some years when there's an incumbent in the White House and in some years we don't and so there is a precedent during the Reagan presidency and then during George W Bush's Outta the party is Donald Trump and I think one problem Republicans have is they're reluctant to cross them well Donald Trump incredibly popular in South Carolina in two thousand twenty and we should mention that one of Mr Trump's primary challengers is former governor and former representative of South Carolina Mark Sanford Lack Stanford he has is a well-known Congressman and represented Greenville South Carolina in Congress for more than a decade and he signed on just to say look the first in the south primary is a big deal they've got some firepower in this one well at this point Valerie it would be understandable of Republicans would want is get primaries if the incumbent was a republican especially since you know the ladies in this country so it's important to have that voice out there but they're they're legal argument is that the South Carolina Republican Party didn't follow its own rules the third quarter earning season is underway and it's expected to be the weakest quarter of two thousand nineteen by one estimate earnings forecasts Own you know kind of decide how they WANNA run but the argument in this case is hey if you're taking public money to operate this primary then you have to with Mark Sanford and he said this feels very personal to him that in the state where he was governor for eight years where he was in Congress combined eight years all the rules that you set and he didn't in this case and along with protect democracy Another person involved in this complaint their main plaintiff is is Bob Inglis who is was a Republican Party leaders told me you know to the victor goes the spoils if the president one in two thousand sixteen it's completely reasonable for us to back him I all female spacewalk to replace a broken battery charge discharge unit traffic it's just coming out here and doing our job today near the crew that was fast had a number of political times at this point and he's running for president and sort of a little bit of a windmill tilting campaign but a serious campaign he's out traveling journal Markets Reporter Mike Worst Horn Mike a handful of S. and P. Five hundred companies pretty high profile ones at that have reported their numbers and they've blamed the straw fire and is to find a lot of expectations amongst analysts and other investors who expected the dollar eventually weaken especially with you know the more recent events with the Federal Reserve easing places stability so company's far including Delta Airlines General Mills Johnson and Johnson they have blamed the strong dollar and I expect the number of companies will grow as we get deep the the president one in two thousand sixteen he is the standard bearer for the Republican Party nationally and we're behind hundred percent so one of the there's no credible challengers to the president and on decided the president's kind of record of results in popularity saying just wasn't necessary and they also say you know I think for practice is what is what mystery said in an interview with him because you know if you gives you a chance to really vet different points of view from different candidates so they've got some you too have the party say no primary here feels personal to Him Wall Street Journal reporter Valerie Bore Line thanks a lot valerie thanks so much for having me Charlie on an easing you'll see economies that are weakening but they're all weakening more so than the US the central banks in these other countries like in Europe and Asia they're they're easing more than the has the dollar remained strong because the US economy in relation to others has been very strong that is one of the reasons it also adds to the equation to is that you have a lot of other interest rates usually that would make the dollar weaken we haven't really seen that happen to a large degree so it's added another issue for companies to deal with as a reporting earnings this particular season us so while we're all sort of in this new normal which is global easing growth whereas a few years ago we global growth the US is sort of the standout Triana can trying to deliver a message of the importance of Cisco Austerity and the the risk posed by the melting Federal Debt I spoke any sort of concerns and for comments on the dollar certainly are expected to to increase as this earning season continues how strong is the dollar Ben when measured against other currencies the fall four point six percent a key reason is that a strong dollar continues to eat into the profit margins of American companies let's get some more insight on this from Wall Street dollar for hurting prophets haven't they the they have in and you've seen this plan all year long since two thousand eighteen really dollars been on this gradual climb ha WBZ dollar index which measures the dollar against sixteen other currencies and right now it's up one point three percent this year it's not a huge amount but that's sort of fluctuation is enough a two it's enough to eat into companies profit margins on the periphery You know a lot of cases these are multinational companies have to convert foreign sales back in two dollars on earnings in the third quarter which is less so than we've seen in other parts of the year but it does add up as said it's projected to be a weak earnings quarter is they're going to be trey tariffs for an industrial manufacturer would likely be a much bigger issue than the dollar itself but overall the dollar is going to have about a negative point five effect extol that and the also more of a safe harbor currency so amidst all this this conflict and uncertainty you're seeing people treat the dollar very much as earnings so far so we have a lot more companies to go through a lot of them being technology companies they get the biggest share of the revenue from overseas relative to the other sectors and the S. and P. Five hundred one of the things you're going to hear a lot of them talk about because anybody that does anything overseas they're dealing with the effects of that strong dollar for a number of other companies are dealing with me bigger issues the study found that there's really no easy way to ward off sharks and to keep them away from people or at least with great certainty that are following them and have become a major issue on the Cape in two thousand eighteen to white shark attacks left one man dead and another badly injured so local authority into the earning season. Multinationals tech companies are exposed to the strong dollar since they generate much of their profits overseas we've only had about thirteen percent of the S. and P. Five hundred we follow the money and see where it takes us this is one of the biggest financial heist that has ever happened period the journal is out now on have responded they've beefed up their emergency response efforts increased lifeguarding improved warning signs and even started holding stop the bleed training sessions the thanks to decades of federal and state protections seals have come back to Cape Cod by the tens of thousands but they haven't come alone their main Predator great white sharks much as some analysts fear if not you could see those numbers come in a little bit better than expected and you've already seen a number of companies well over eighty percent beat expectations by analysts that doesn't mean that spotting technique to really guarantee that the sharks can be kept at bay or easily spotted when they're near what the study did it will be
Niner Faithful Radio
"Hello everybody i'm jamie. This is my co-host jason. Hey jason hey so where from. Where are the nine radio team So make sure you subscribed her youtube channel. Click describe button. Hit that notification bell. So you don't miss any of our shows Check out our website. The radio dot com and check out shelton to support us dot com slash shop. So how are you doing today jason or another actual sunny day up here in civic northwest behind enemy lines. Yeah i it's gotten warm over here too so it but i'm in kelly so it's always nice weather the most feared today the first time this year sixty here l. so shorts are on everybody else. Go so nice find that sense. It's awesome okay. said today. We're going to talk a little bit about Some grass staff physicians. I think we should address in the draft Jason has some players. He thinks we should target in the drought for a different positions. And yeah and then we'll just kind of go from there. Assist will be a heavy of heavier draft a show. So if you're interested in that please stick around because the draft is right around the corner so we're trying to do some of these cuts shows the so we can get some information out there in hear feedback from you guys. So what i to you earlier about it. I was with you. Losing power and everything. I wasn't by myself you know. We've beaten the quarterback position to death at this point no matter what whenever you turn on anything on youtube. Nfl network. you know anything is related. It's just corvette. You know who went to go. You know who you know is going to be mad journals and justin field love laszlo. New some different information out there. That just tired of talking about quarterbacks. Right now i don't blame you. I'm tired of hearing other people talking. It's like we're all saying the same things over and over again. It's like okay. I just wanted to be able to nine thirty. i'm done. How announced two weeks. We made the The train drink yet. it's already. We've we have beaten to a bloody pulp over an offer. We really have if you turn on any other for inter youtube channel. Any podcast any any. Espn whatever it's the nizer brought up is very much about quarterbacks. Some read more loan week just slinging there everybody this hanging there for seamer weeks and then we should be a i. It would be like christmas a christmas already. I'm just like oh camden. Or i'm reading something. We have a comment from One of our guests from a couple weeks ago last week or the week before nitty-gritty niners subscribed to them. They're awesome youtube channel. So hey thanks for tuning eight. Yeah that's awesome he. Yes i this this will be. The shanahan and lynch have made a lot of big decisions But this will definitely be what they're going to be known for moving on like the rest of their tenure here. It's going to be interesting to see what they decide to do. But are you ready to get into this. Let's cal cal. One of my biggest off will not mind but most people agree one of our biggest issues that we need to get is. We need to get some quarterbacks. Obviously at number three number one we're at number twelve is really thought. We were going to pick a core quarterback up. We've pretty much or almost had the choice of we wanna between a 'certain farley in horn at number two one was easily going to fall Happy now that we're not unless betrayed back up into but obviously you know that position is gone so the earliest doing of second round or whatever for them Some of the guys. I got lucky with big on. Is saturday samuels from He's probably one of smoother players. You know it's like not going to say. He doesn't do anything flashy but he does. Everything really good and you spotlight doesn't seem to affect him you know they'll take the other team's top receivers showdown all that kind of stuff. So he's one of the top ones on the second you know the b. b. if he will when it comes i can i mean i mean i'm not gonna lie haven't looked too much into this this stuff yet on. I had a chance but this is definitely position. That's been up there a mine. I know richly align was up there. But i think in free agency. I think we're in pretty good shape of that right now. So i think cornerbacks just even just for debt and stuff in having backups because ally loved jason brett. He has been injured a lot in the past. So it would be good to have somebody who's reliable that we can have fillon if need be An seven losing sherman is as he gets going to be a bigger deal like like with his mental aspect of the game. Like sherman is really good at like dissecting plays that the opposite is gonna run in staff Whatnot so like this is definitely one vision. I think they really need to address whether it's early in the draft in the second or third round or later if somebody falls but yeah yet couple of got on there are both before coming out of a central florida he got robinson and going and the reason why apple bubbling up there together because they both would feel the need Go get some big receivers in news right now. We get copies. There now is the big boys. Going is the bigger one he can easily cover those guys a lot easier. And then you can also robinson. He's more of a more of a slap and we do have moseley slot. But why was use more top tier quarterbacks one of one eagle will also be it. Picks up in the later rounds. So is the last guy got. I always bushy this me. Ya two of his brothers. Actually the safety team obi. Why can't he have easy namely you know he's also guy he's got he's a very he's built a lot like sherman and has the same kind of mentality so you know another good fit. You know long-term definitely definitely you bill. Later third early fourth round draft. Lega guys think that'd be a good steam fit like what they fit the defense. That's awesome 'cause i mean. I know that you shouldn't heavily rely on that. But i do think it is a good thing if if at this game in renton echo happy everybody says you know for the most part you get is kind of plug and play some guys are. Sherman isn't the greatest you know one on one player but you put him in zone and that's where he's come you he can break place. He's got that long. Those long arms long body. Some guys wanna play pressing. All the time has for. They're good at so scheme. Does mean you guys can play both ways. But sometimes you know guys do excel at one radio shirt and so Is that offer quarterbacks or anything or do you have any else. that's all. I will go for them. Got new positions here and there to safety. I think another you know. We do have nina an easy heart ward. But they're constantly being hurt especially. We're both of them are amazing when they're when they're colleague jimmy. We win when they're when they're back. They're playing and they're good but we do. Maybe tend to get hurt and you know with what will the wilson pick up. I think he's a good Vet presence but we definitely pressure probably look somebody younger guys who got. I love the way he plays Jacoby stevenson's lsu is six to two hundred and thirty pounds. He is just a a new for safety but as much of a safety that size he is a balk. he's all over. The field covers everybody so as that one or the other. One i got is From usc another big louis reminds me a lot of like a jamal adams from the seahawks complete down into clothesline isn't make another destructive place closely. No not even not always in the back. You know getting interceptions religion. You seem to play before. They develop especially with screens and all that kind of stuff. Yeah now that sounds great like i. I think the season's going to be lot of last season which really a test of our debt positions. Because we got. We had a lot of injuries last year. Like a lot of people now. So i think may i think they're gonna try to do their best. Because we didn't allow draft picks last year so we didn't get the chance to fill in a lot of younger players as much as we used to. Because like like what we didn't twenty seventeen and honey eighteen. We filled in end like Nineteen is likely filled in a lot of younger players but last year. We really didn't get that chance to so. I think this draft. It'd be a smart move for them to like find. Try to find some hidden gems in like the later rounds. Because that's what they're they're decent. They're like they've found warner there. They found like a lot of kittle. They is draw openings necessarily Top heavy with like superstars per se. But i think there's a lot of guys in his draft that are going to a longtime time this leave not because they're gonna fit roles and be really good. those real. Maybe not necessarily all pros first team. Isn't that but i think a lot of guys are going to be around the league for eighteen years just because they're good solid players And that's great that's awesome Says that offer safeties. More for safety's ones that i pointed out Rule kind of thing which an exposition delight. the line. Okay and so while. I think we're set up for starters. We definitely need more rotational in some depth for the inside guys Two guys that. I like our Bobby brown third. And then tediously. Bobby's from texas am and slightness from florida While these guys is that they're young and they're just big Three thirty five. The other ones like three fifty like six three six four I like my interior linemen. Just be bulky and take up space let linebackers and everybody else Maketplace just take up space. Don't let you know. Don't don't get moved. You know. Stay low keep your keep your ground. You just push back when you can't those threatened with slate and he actually has a very quick for step for man. That's as far as i know. I think he's the biggest player in the draft but watching him. I watched a bunch of vilma warning lunch break at work. And he's got a very quick step for man that's as you don't see many interior linemen with that size. That can move that first quickstep. Yeah now fisher. I mean that's what the defense has excelled on is having a good a really good starters on the d. line having good rotational players to fill in so that we nobody gets you fatigued and and the rotational players are good and can find some really good Plays while the strategy arresting. And that's how we did so well in. Hunting nineteen is our d. Line was crushing it for most of the year so as the blue was both ali no bosa they were still getting extra people weren't necessarily there but they had quite a bit of pressure especially kinloch. He came on. You know he was eating it or the end. I'm really excited to see him. This season in see housing her work. Have you seen his him work now. I haven't actually us getting ridiculously big. I'm not sure how much weight you put on. But he looks much bigger. This offseason no-shirt on these. I mean that's awesome. I mean like you said bigger d. Line take up space especially interior. It'd be great. Yeah boss older. Live couple of guys i like on the outside is Chauncey golson from iowa. I know a lot of people are high on him. is long. He's like six five. Six five weighs about to sixty five issue so so he's got that long quick. you know. Get long arms bad down balls. Reach people and the same way with that jordan smith from. Uab is six seven. He's got a wingspan like he was like ninety one or ninety ninety one. It's ridiculous so i mean you're not going to run away from because he's just reach out his hand and grab up from one side to the extent. Armin grab you Knocking kuntz's another good one. I've seen him to But yeah for me. I want my guys on the edge longer so that you know people don't wrap up get away that those balls down. Yeah i mean. I mean that's like anybody who can come in villain while nick Gets off the field for amendment especially after is injury because we don't know we don't know how nicholas is gonna come back. I mean i'm a. He has all the resources to come back and be as good as he can get. But we don't know it. How explosive is gonna be House niece going to hold up especially after playing injuries in his life. Yeah so i mean that's always smart soy smart. I'm mean i'm into it. Yeah who'll said no one looking at was wide receivers Seamy hokkaido from stanford Densely wooded name. I know i butchered He's another big body of big red zone target. That we knew that you know especially since we lost Kendrick we need someone even Red zone atoll reach up there and grab all grandma orna balls and stuff like that Cadaverous tony from floor. Tonle from florida. gets overshadowed because of this. But when you look at watch him. Run adam to the ac family. He's had like almost forty broken tackles the last two years. I mean if that's one of the things they want to build on and keep going with as far as you know. Guys breaking tackles yards after catch. It sees a perfect fit for those for that position unisom instead join the family part of it again. So real i mean. That's he's obligated. Fit in perfectly like with. Kit ought depot brandon link designed like. 'cause that's a really good at those good at yards after the catch especially know with offense at you know the most what you wanna do is get a mistrial weddings. Jimmy does do good go deep. What he does to try any he lets us players. Make the place like that's one thing he'd has done consistently good is his quick releasing the ball out gives these guys. Let them make the position. Guys go next. I had offensive line. Well are started with definitely pretty much set. I think the most artless you know depending on who we pick up your in the draft and possible free agency from though but i do think we need to get a little bit younger. Someone's balts that way you know win. Trent williams society require whether we move on from glenn. She and whatnot We need to have plans in place for those guys One of the big ones is kendrick green from illinois. Everybody seems to think he is going to be again. One of those long term players in the nfl He does a lot. He's quick he can move pulling schemes a lot like ours. Same thing The guy got his brady christianson out of byu. everybody knows. zack wilson. Well this is the guy that's been blocking keeping his back his back cycling for the last couple of years again. He's another. he's tackle the pulls really well. You know the pulled around screens and this and that young tackle out stuff like that and he is always there. Quick is getting to the point in blocking for everybody so excited you guys that a high looking yet looking specifically at tackles no we can green guard. Okay were centers The dog is the draft treat murphy from oklahoma. He's one and there's a quin martinez from Wisconsin whitewater i believe is what it is a lot of people in pre high him as well so it goes back to the good draft of those positions we could draft these guys third fourth fifth round. And they'll you know you can slot him in in a year so that'd be awesome. We don't know what's going to happen with his contract for next season. Trent two years threes top. Alex jones mean drafting center. Wouldn't be bad. Alex mack was great jones or a great center. For how many years Let let somebody sit beside the behind it for a year to learn like we do with other positions. Just let them sit there in in you know in a position from somebody in takeover after i mean that's ideal scenario is like not rushing your rookie players in right away in lying them. Learn the playbook learn techniques from the veterans who are in front of them like. That's why i. That's that's something. I'm very high on because i think it really benefits the players coming in because they don't feel that immediate pressure to like perform right away because i think sometimes i just like too much too much overwhelming a little bit in it like pushes them back. It pushes their progression back because they've like they try so hard but they don't like especially of kyle's game 'cause like kyle scheme is super complicated. So letting. I like. For letting an lineman rookie lineman come in and just learning the playbook and not have to be forced in Bearing no injuries in all that jazz and The i like that idea lot you got at least especially with With mac and trent to bind them for years you know. Let them you know still Play a high level and just learn those guys especially you'll be set. They're better than i'm sitting. Learn from notes ahead. That's about as far as i got. When i got home. Sir making notes out for everything. Now i mean that's great like i said earlier i haven't gone too deep into it. So it's great to hear from you and hear some guys who You've heard about from other people or somebody you just picked up and saw on film or whatever i think those are positions that i think they'll definitely try to Look at it in the draft Guy be really surprised. They don't draft a quarterback. I'd be really surprised if they don draft no linemen like wide receiver. They it's tricky because we lost kendrick bourne integra board wars was a red zone target because he was so good at catching in the end zone so i could see them definitely targeting now but i also could see them being like what and with depots injury so yeah getting wide receiver and roads and go on with jalen hurd going gonna be was like he even play. You gotta be healthy number. Worst luck the first season injuries. you know. it's funny because you know he has back going back back injuries. E four back joke. Take a long time and i i put my back once and it took me like months to finally get over. You know so back injuries do. They're one of the hardest things. Come back from 'cause they linger probably like the that's the problem and the sport is so so physical. It's like what are you supposed to do like you. They can't play like other wrestle. Really seriously hurt like straight up retire when they get back. They just gambling forward. You can never comfortable no matter what you do. So i mean get next month or two that. When mine was bad i couldn't i. I couldn't imagine living like that game bowling. I barely you know. I was winding after weeks. Yeah yeah well. I hope the best for jalen hurd. I would love to see him. Play co like the little bit. We did see him. Those preseason games was really cool. Yeah but but if he can't plight he can't play like like. I don't know i i don't know it's just not. It's going to be decision whether he feels like he can play. Not in the doctors clear him. So we'll see 'cause he it'd be awesome but yeah so everything else that's wrong quarterbacks. We have to what else we can talk about this. All we can talk about For i think. Most you guys know that. I am fully on board with the trae land on freelance. You know. I think he is wall. I think he's everything. This system meets in as good as i think. Justin feels is healing especially for Chalons even higher i. I have been in the firm. But i saw one report which said that. He graduated from high school and college early. Like what more do you want from your quarterbacks lettuce. That's the case. I mean super smart. Which would be awesome. 'cause he especially in this offense being able to run it. That'd be awesome and one thing that he does have above all the rest. Every other quarterbacks is e called his novels he didn't lino even if you watch film with the fields and stuff like that he didn't call. He looks not looked asylum to get that he also probably goes nash protection. So i mean it's just like he's got. The brain absorb everything that was crazy and wild. Shanahan's a is often. I everything i the more. I read the more like. Well i saw. This is the only position that i've seen a little bit of film on and it's not really i wouldn't even really consider it filming Days i watched zach losses pro day jason fields friday. The highlights and A little bit of trevor lawrence Just in case something crazy happens and stuff. I haven't looked at trae lance Collect didn't really look at it too much but might i really likes fields friday. He looks very calm. I liked his demeanor when he was throwing like he was calm. Which is good unlike citing. That's something important to be able to keep your composure when you're playing Hammond zack wilson can make those throws a forty niner. Fans have been begging for for like ever Those deep passes And i think he'd be good fit to i haven't looked at trae lance may only issue tree leads is he has played as much as justin fields and Zack wilson to like. That's my only worry about freelance. But trae lance be great because if we like what it seems like we're keeping jimmy trae lands. Sounds like he's the kind of player who would need to sit for a little bit to like learn and get used to the playbook and to get the nfl in like if that's the case that i'm all for it and he can run. I know he's run. Seem like one highlight. Reel of him. Yeah so like. I'm okay with either of those guys just field or tree lance because it looks like the jets are officially taking a quarterback to that is probably going to be golsen So alert jags take just feels number one and then jets take forever. I don't see. I don't see them taking anybody. But trevor lawrence won a. Yeah i mean. I agree with you but i've decided i remember the baker mayfield draft whenever is going to be the first one crazy of we pick up a corporal jones. It'll be worse if the the jags pickup somebody other than lawrence is. If you think they're going to be crazy. You know this fan base we nuts. We pick up back jones. Jaguars think anybody. Trevor lawrence. I know i agree with you. I hadn't percents crew of you. Urban was more ashley core of coach. So i mean the to national championships off. And that's the only reason. I i even thought about it. Is that ohio state connection but again. Honestly think it's going to be lawrence wilson fielder lance. I think i can see. I can see that. That's like the most likely scenario about actions. No more comfortable league. We're still at twelve only picked up mack jones. Like i feel like that be better. I think that's the main issue with the fan. Base is that we traded up to three. I think getting mac john's Serie that spot would have been giving up too much for him. But there's a phone. Jim in people aren't even though we win with jimmy. People don't want what he has to have the dual quarterback and they say jones can't run. This is like well. He's not the fastest guy in the world. We ve all seen him shirtless in the looks like any other dad but the dad boxing on but if you watch the pocket his feet are always moving. He's got good pocket presence. You know and in fact jimmy anderson. That's a low bar to get over. But like i said if he's if his base is jimmy in he can stay healthy. why not. I mean the wild card is. This is cautioning hands first opportunity to pick the player that he wants like. He's always either inherited a put. A heretic inherited a quarterback or like locked out like look getting jimmy like that trade. So he's drafted. Rg three when he was. Yeah look good evening. Before he got hurt in the play offs. I mean argued agree. Had like the most yards who at or for rookie quarterback and he didn't even know how to really utilize a dual threat. Quarterback like rg three integral like night at summer after the draft. Going around to other coaches and you know picking their brains to figure out how he get intimate implement that style of play into his his offense. So i mean he's good at what good with and bring it over even if it's not necessarily what he wants to run. Yeah we didn't want rg three. That was what's his name. That's snyder that was more. His victim was the shannon's yeah i we'll see what happens. Oc who car once. I feel like that's going to be more in coyote than john. I'm like yeah. 'cause isn't going to be kyle's feet. The future quarterback the team so Is just going to be interesting. I can't wait for the draft. Because i just wanna know who were picking so that we can just like go over that now instead of speculating can stop fighting four corners. You know yes you know. The people want fields in one corner. Then there's a trae lance corner mack. Jones corner comment a corner. That's the guy that was my draft crush earlier h- callback from technetium. He's about the closest thing this. This draft has a cabinet. Basically what he's another one definitely have to sit and learn for a year or so but he my long-term plan. When i first started looking at jeff stuff at twelve and we got him in second is he's going to get drafted high is he's got the potential. But you know value in quarterbacks she always overdrafted 'cause everybody wants the next best one. So yeah i mean my thing. I will say this one thing in a geographic. This idea think since there's been so much talk from like journalists and reporters that we are going to be taking jones at three. I do think it's a little bit of a smoke screen I don't know like in. Also i saw a tweet. I forgot who is from Basically saying like the foreigners haven't really leaked anything like since john in cairo taken over so like anything like that. They don't want to get out. Like i just don't see them saying who they're taking at three like just to anybody right now. You don't need to hide the leverage but it's like. I don't know edison see that happening than like sims with. Cbs whatever their morning show is a lot allowed to come from him. And it's not a it's not a secret him and shanahan best. Buds are the two as shanahan's aiming you say this for me. Nobil bill mack jones. Maybe somebody overdraft him. You know you can come in you know. Maybe the jets pick mack jones at two. That leaves us. Zack wilson. Maybe something crazy. Like that. And who knows i think. I think it's a lot of smoke. Yeah i also saw a tweet. That adam schefter said that he wouldn't be surprised if we took mack jones jr after for s alantic. Yes i think at this point. It's one of those things it's like it's a rumor that's come to reality this point. It's just there's so much there's so much out there. Pointing in one direction almost seems true. Yeah it looks like. It's all just smoke and mirrors for something with jones. As much as i don't know it's i just think that field and lands have more potential a than jones and i feel like they're more athletic and i think that's something that has been missing 'cause like jimmy so good athlete but he's not he's not like a call capital was cal covered was like athletic as health like i saw like remaking it was insanity wilson. He's no tyler. Mer ocala marino. Another or vaccinations stagnating after dealing of those kind of guys in our division for so long. I think it's about time we get one of our own like even it. Which is why. I'm more on that side but like i'm not gonna be as upset as some people would be if we dropped the mac johns i distill think it's a smokescreen right now. So he's not an williams stuff. When we were quinn williams and nick buzzer into the draft. They were out having dinner with or banged up. But i also think a lot of that had to do with the fact that we thought the The cardinals were gonna take boasts in that. Murray is murray was not ejected. Go a little bit lower and we ended up grabbing or they grabbed him so we can move up and wasn't murray still debating whether to go to baseball or football. Not a thing that i think by the draft united sermon that he was going to go full football for one. I think pretty much by the columbine time he had decided that he was just going to concentrate at. We're hearing that bigger The only reason why we were able to get bus. Because i think it was any other team up there who they didn't really needed a quarterback. We wouldn't have gotten bosa you so we probably would have had quitting williams but Hey it is what it is We'll see who they decide the draft Hang in there guys for a few more weeks of all this talk Wants a draft is done and we have our guy will be able to talk more a little bit more about him beat little bit ob-obviously official and stuff so i'll be actually show that we've already combed over. Yeah now. I don't know. I still hoping against hope that we end up zac wilson. Because like his stars were like insanity In those really like. I feel like it'd be a really good fit. I know him in fields like they can do a lot of the similar things but I know that they're gonna take them so invited. Choose to wilson fields at dick fields district. he's been more obvious a lot. More athletic wilson isn't but is speed especially with ryan a ball. I would take that. Because i think pretty passing. But you know wilson. Her feels in his legs. Is miles. ed wilson and that is true. That is something that's really nice as when Back can Those escape rents in gooden. Get some yards. Wilson can scramble. But he's not running quarterback percent. Yeah was my thoughts. I mean that's really. I mean i don't know what more we can really say. I mean i feel like. I repeat myself every week but what we do. We'll repeat it again into the drafts. Same stuff oh yeah It'll be and for breakfast every morning. I know i know i'm just gonna. I'm just glad that they did the trade and that we know we're getting a quarterback and that In john are thinking about like what's going to happen to me what they're deciding to do for the future team and stuff like that. I think Got shows that they care about the team in that. Obviously in that they're thinking of the future of the team has was the president and they got us mike. Good position where we'll be good in the president and that we can get herself set up for the future so i am now i. I'm this appreciate that after those few years like twice fifteen sixteen and stuff like that in. How reckless years were. Yeah yeah what do you have anything else. You wanna say knowing the lineup for you. I will think you guys tuning in tune in this time next week. Three o'clock next week on tuesdays Don't forget to subscribe hit the notification bells. We don't miss anything Also searched on radio wherever you go your podcast. This will be podcast audio on on any podcast app. You listen to podcasts To apple stitcher wherever sure you can find it in. Yeah we'll see you guys. Thank you everybody. Ever go on by everybody.
BONUS: A Conversation with Jalen Hurd's Wide Receiver Coach
"Welcome this bonus edition of the Niners nation dot com. Better apple podcast. My name is Oscar operates you and we've got a very quick bonus episode of free all we've got Kyle Posey the new editor in chief of Niners nation dot com. You know, decided that he was going to reach out to his network of coaches, and he was going to reach out to none other than Jalen hurts wide receiver coach at Baylor. Frisbee Jackson now, frisbee Jackson is a veteran NFL player and coach he's in his second season on Matt role staff at Baylor. He joined the staff in two thousand eighteen and he was promoted to passing game coordinator in twenty nineteen. So it's a really interesting conversation. Definitely lets you peek behind the curtain a little bit from his position coach last year at Baylor. There are a couple audio issues here and there, but I think overall the conversation is so good. And you get so much insight about her as the player that I think you'll be able to get through it. And I think you'll find the conversation was totally worth it. So here's capos. Conversation with Baylor wide receiver coach frisbee Jackson. Are this is the very first Niners nation episode? And we have a special guest to talk about one of the forty Niners recent draft picks, Jalen Hurd, and I have a receiver coach from Baylor who dealt with him. Frizz man Jackson, I knew what was going on. The door do a well, man. Thanks for taking the time on a Saturday. Got the Kentucky Derby got everything going on. I'm sure and your personal. I've got you said you just came from a birthday party. And I'm I'm going to be doing that here shortly, but always some time to talk a little football. So Jalen her man, let's talk about him. Give me give me your first impressions, let's say so you know, heard had church transferred to Baylor. So did you have any any part in that recruitment? Right there actually it because I was go to the receivers says he tightened so. After we got let go I joined the staff here at Baylor, and he was already here. So I didn't have any recruiting. But I'm glad I'm glad he ended up joining baiter. Yeah. I bet man. He he's he's a different kind of athlete. That's for sure. So when you first got on campus. What were your your initial impressions of heard because we're talking about a guy that what he was as first year playing receiver, right? Yeah. What he's pretty straightforward guy. We met in all on them. All visit was wanted to kind of what my expectations were for him. And you know, how we're gonna get to them to achieve goals which were to get drafted NFL. And you know, he just said, hey, coach on here for eight months, and I want you to develop me is best. You can't give me give me an opportunity today to play my best football. So I can go to the NFL. Appreciate that about. He I think that's exactly what you want especially as a coach man, you want somebody to be able to come in tell you what they. Want tell you what they're looking for. And it's on. It's kind of on you to to help them get there. Right. Yeah. No question. No question. He was pretty fun and honest about you know, kind of what is expectations and goals were. And that's what you want us to call. What? So what was what was the biggest expectation? Was there any goals that were too lofty? There's something that you know, wasn't a attainable. No, you know, he knew that you by. This is first time really plan receiver that it was going to be some bumps in the road, some peaks and valleys, but you know, he's he's kind of got this cat is trying to put his head down and grind it working. You know, he didn't say they want to achieve this. I'm gonna do this. I want to do that was more. So just you know, coach me up, you know, if I'm doing something wrong, correct me. And you know, I'm gonna continue to work on the give you everything I got you know, I was very appreciative of that right on. Yeah. I bet man. We're not. So when you first started working with her what like how long did it take you to realize I'm working with something? Nice. You know, like something special. Oh, no, just by conversation. I realized I had some pretty cool but just get them on the field. How quickly he was able to pick up things at reporter receiver position. You know? He was a guy that you know, if I said, hey, man, I want to work this release. And he doesn't point with the way I wanted to he's want to jump right back in the way in your needs to be done so law, he's a very attentive to detail kind of cat, and you got that guy on your squad really excited about it. He wanted to be coast, which was exciting. Yeah. I love that. And he was he was supposed to be on the senior bowl and with the forty Niners. So I'm sure there are a little disappointed that he couldn't go there. But just hearing that being able to a guy taking accountability as sounds like that's that's when you know, you have somebody that is this is going to skew their all and just be legit. So that's good to hear. So so he played pretty much primarily slot for you guys. And you know, obviously carried the ball a little bit as well. So that be versatility. How is there? Do you think that he can be outside receiver down the line? I mean, he can speak up outside receivers sore. What of John said about? About him. You know, he can line up, and he can lined up outside economic inside. He can lot of position tailback. I think he has so much position flexibility that you can put him anywhere. We have them inside because it was adding teachers for us and for him. I mean, he's going against a, you know, a nipple corner, which you ain't gonna see nickel corner. A college. The way you go see a nickel corner the NFL. Also, he was bigger than most guys was quick animals guys. He was bigger than the moat. So he was able to use his size to our advantage in we had an outside a little bit. But not as much as we used them inside. Just because of you know, we were able to take advantage of that situation in just speaking of playing inside in the NFL, it's he's he's still probably going to be quicker and bigger than a lot of the guys that he sees the Nichols. Well, so that'll be that'll be interesting to see what is role is just as far as how how they use him as far as jet sweeps and just quick out. So just stretching the field down just being a seemed threat as well. Because one thing that caught me off guard just watching him because you know, he gets his labeled as a raw talent just because he's played the play the position one year. But I thought he catches the ball really well away from his body for a guy that just hasn't played the position, and he just looks really comfortable. So is that is that something you guys worked on? Yeah. Well, you're on the God is going to catch the ball. All these won't catch a hundred balls after practice going to kick him off the field. And when people see they've on a think that you know, he's trying to you know, it's it's new or he's trying to impress people. But that's just how he goes to work. I mean, it was times I hit like our Jalen caught enough balls man you caught enough like all, but he has natural hands. I noticed that the first time I was able to work with him that he caught the ball naturally. He wasn't never fighting the ball or balls beating them up or anything like that ES natural hands. And he's going to he's going to extend his hands away from the body and catch the football, and he can make every single catch that you need to make you think it speaks to just the type of hard worker. He is just being able to catch the ball away from his body. But do so with guys like hanging all around, and he's he's pretty comfortable going up and get it. And he's not bothered by contact. And a lot of guys that have been playing the position all their life. They struggle as soon as somebody's in their hip pocket or just on them. The minutes. Somebody just hits the wrist. It's all she wrote. But that's not that's not a problem with her. No, he's he's a guy that you know, he used his side she'll defenders away and aids aren't you can get a cat that can make you contest the us which is easily that you know, you you've got a pretty special player. And you like you said, it's it's guys played that position for their entire lives that struggle with contested catches and east pretty natural in absolutely so okay. So it's not it's not going to be all sunshine and rainbows with her. Let's not. So he what's what's an area that he has to just improve. What's what's one of his some of his areas of opportunity to grow? Yeah. For him to be, you know, catching balls down the field deep balls down field where you're gonna make over the shoulder. Catch us just because he hasn't lived in that world of for as long as you know, as much as a lot of guys have. And they're just refining his routes nor win the temple rouse, nor win be explosive at the top knowing when you know, the different speeds you have to play it to be an elite receiver. He really has to refined that part of his game. And then like, I said just Dow balls down the field. You know, he he was still working progress in catching deep balls over the shoulder. So those are two areas that I felt like if he can improve on those things he he can be in the league receiver in the NFL. Yeah, that's a that's a good point right there because forty Niners. Have a guy Dante Pettis who is something serious when it comes to just playing with tempo and just changing his speeds in able to win at the top of his route because he's playing at you know, he'll low you the sleep, and they kind of burst right by you. So heard should have a good guy to work with in. That regard. Is there is there anything else that you know, forty Niners should be on forty Niners fan. She'd be on the lookout for when it come home. Undo know those those were two things that I've noticed the most out of our work with first round pick guy, you know, coach receivers for my entire career in dog. That was the main two things that I've noticed out of him was just, you know, being you know, being a better default catcher. And then just, you know, learn how to play with temple and speed it, and you know, in his route saying if he can he had a deacon masters who things you'll give a chance to be a pretty the player in all that is it sounds like that's gonna come with repetition. So the up just reps reps reps for him. Yeah. The fact that we're talking about a guy that was played like what thirteen games or something like that at position and one of it one of your corrections was something that he just hasn't done. And another one is just something that you learn the more you do it. So that's that's pretty good to hear what kind of what kind of ceiling. Are we talking about with this guy? You know? I think it's going to be you know, how an I've got some chameleons with coach hands off. It saw. But because our line coach coach coach with him in Cleveland. So I think if they use them and let them let them put them in different spots and not like kind of typecast them as one type of thing. I think he has a chance to be a pretty good player. You know, he's still he's still got a lot of room to grow at the. Clock was a very good player in this Lee in that league. And I think he can change the culture and continues to work, you know, the he can have a really really good chance of good player in LA. And he's like you mentioned with. With a guy like Kyle, Shannon. Putting you in a position where you are going to make plays that is going to go a long way for him and yell. There's Wes Welker. He's there's also miles. Awesome. Who's on the staff? So he has he has some guys that will that he'll be able to learn from an and like you said with his ability to or with his want to get better that's going to be a big deal. So let's if if you would have had your hands on heard for another just another season, are, let's let's say just what can we expect when he has another season of play for like, let's say he's played the position for two more years. How much different would hurt be? You know, what that conversation, you know, here at bay that if he was able to play, you know, if I had them for another year, hopefully, I would have been able to chance to develop them even more. You know, I think some of the things that we talked about him having some struggles with or just need to learn to do better. I think you'd be way more advanced than that releases because just because he wouldn't have another year of seeing people in front of impress them up. I think he'd be a lot better there. But you know, I think being an NFL being around football twenty four seven four is when you don't help them transition that much faster into the position and being more natural edit right one of the areas, and I thought that he will improve on it could improve on when so he's when he's in the slide seems like you had a little problem with getting through contact at the top of his routes. So you just get kind of stuck on whether wasn't option route or just trying to get through on an over route. But it seemed like. He would either he just he just didn't know what to do. He he couldn't figure out whether he wanted to, you know, use head fakes to get around them or just gonna run through being bigger when with the guy, so yeah, that's something that I'll be keeping an eye on for sure. Especially if he's going to be playing over the middle of Phil. Yeah. You'll get better at those things. I mean, you you, you know, you got only so much that you can improve on that stuff especially in the college game. Just because you don't class restraints and ours was restraints and stuff like that. But I know it's our restraints there in the NFL, but you don't football more than you know, you worrying about right or chemist protests. Yeah. You don't you'll you'll have a chance to improve. And and like I said he's around some great coaches that little speed that process up on. Yeah. Absolutely. And now now that it's his job there. And now that he'll be able to do this every day and see what he's doing everyday review those practice a review his praxis before and afterwards. It'll be I imagine. It'll just be a lot different. So yeah, that's a good point as well. So hurt went in. In the third round. Do you think that was good spot? Former where where did you guys think that he was going to go? Well, you know, I thought he may have been you know, we probably could have been a late second early third round pick went where he ended up going. So I think that was spot form. I mean before God it just plays position for one season. I mean, you you got drafted the punch guys playing the position their entire lives in. I think that's a credit to him showing that you know, he has some ability to be able to do that. But you know, I thought they'd been a, you know, a second round pick to to early third and he ended up right there at that spot. Yeah. And we're talking to you like you mentioned his ceiling helps them a lot. It just natural ability helps on the lie. But he puts them really did things on tape for a first year player for first year receiver. So yeah, I think that third round just ride around that area. And then I mean, just go into the forty Niners helps a lot with who's calling plays all year. No question when when when an offense of. Guy like that. When office got Shanahan takes his chance on you early in the third round. Where teams are still looking for starters. I think that speaks a lot about you know, what heard can be no question. You know, those guys know what they're doing. Let them around football time, Colin and John. And so, you know, just trust the evaluation, and and I think done a great job by getting a great player like him. So you mentioned he's like a straight up serious guys that how he is all the time when he's on the field. How is he like I mean, he's competitive as heck man. And that's something about our program. You know have been here at Baylor. I mean, we're we talked about competing and competition. And he's he's he's the faith of that. And he's going to compete, and you know, he'll go have some fun and beating her own E. He'll joke around he'll laugh and have the time. But he understands that. But William between those white lines about this. They're saying if you take care of business, I you know, is a lot more fun. You can have a lot more fun. So he's business. I and have fun second. And that should give them a chance to have a pretty productive career. That's good, man. Yeah. You have to have a personality. You can't just be a robot. And I think he's definitely not a robot. That's. Yeah. I was gonna say like I'm going to be seeing him in log room, and I don't want. I want to be able to joke around with him afterwards. If he made a play or whatever it may be let's get. Yeah. You got some jokes to one he might go. Some low blows, you know, real quiet and try to act quiet. But he he's got he's got some character. I'm all here for the jokes. I like to hear that. That's good. Well, you go get it from. All right. Not at first. But eventually, they'll come. I've been so we talked about yet saw his personality. So about you've worked with plenty of receivers. Do you have like a comparison for who? Does he remind you of? That was tough. I had a bunch of people during this whole draft process for him asked me that question. You know, he's different from all the guys that I've had are poach forty Dave's. But the titans, and you know brush guys who went on a plane, the NFL, you know, just with his size. And you know, it's his ability able to you don't just use that size to catch the football. You know, he's totally different in a lot of guys. I hit just because he had played position for awhile. Right. And so it's hard to make the comparison of especially the guys that I've cokes, but he reminds me of, you know, Kwame older as far as his size, and you know, just how aggressive he is. And just how he loves football. And that's about the only comparison I've kinda used with with Linda's of action, and I've I'm of diehard Florida state fan. So you tell me that say, no more. That's all I need to hear man. We're getting player if that's the case where on your, no doubt. Bolden was dog overplayed yet. Yeah. Yeah. Yet some fighting him for sure I mean, forty Niners fans know that he was here for. Couple of seasons in all year. He was tough, and he caught the football. And you didn't matter how fast he was. You knew he was gonna find a way to get open and catch the football. That's another guy that. Yeah. Like, you mentioned he's not he wasn't a burner. But if you play with pace, you can get open. Yeah. No question. And then just if you talked in principle at the topic, and you understand your strengths and weaknesses. You. You you can find a way to make a play in this league realistically watery talking about for rookie season contributions. What can we expect? Well, it's it's just want to be how much they use them in and just you'll how fast he improves develops. I don't want to put a cap on number order as we'll have as many catches. I think eating you'll have a chance to be a productive player becomes in there. And he works which I don't have all seen issue with that. And and I know he's widsom office of jeans, and so they'll they'll they'll they'll put put them put the ball hands and make sure he's in the right spots. Oh, yeah. No. I I'm I'm pretty excited just to see what just how they use him. Because I imagine if he plays ten plays eight of those will probably be different spots, which is a luxury to have you just you can't do that. With a lot of players. So oh, no question. I don't question anything else before you out of here is there. What else? Do we need to know? Give us some give us some nuggets. Well, I'll say this man, he was work. He was the hardest working practice player agriculture. That's awesome arm. He was going to be physically drained when he was with practice because he's gives you everything he has. And so I don't get a tough player a guy that loves football. He's passionate about football. And he's passionate about being great and from an individual perspective and he wants to win. In a team perspective on whether support torn and he didn't care. He didn't care about how many balls call or how many touch he had if he could help us win. And they might be touched the ball one time he wants to win. And I really enjoyed that about I think that's the best way to leave it off of just leaving off with a guy that just is going to give you everything he has and isn't about himself. So sounds like the ultimate teammate, man. And when you put the ultimate teammate with a guy with that athleticism and his work and that hard. I mean what else? Can you ask for right? Not nothing else. You got a grip player right on. Well, man. I'm gonna let you go. So you got a bunch of things to do here. So appreciate you taking the time. And we will I will reach out to you. You know, hopefully, this time next year, you guys are spin out another guy for us where we got some guys from good was in host or so we'll see I know. I know you guys whatever you're feeding them down. 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Big Blue Big Board: Players we like and don't like with Invictus
"Hey listeners we're in the heat of one of the greatest sports events of the year. You guessed it March madness. And the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage CBS sports HQ, what is CBS forte JR. Q. It is the free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans just like you from nonstop highlights. News and analysis CBS sports HQ got you covered checkout. CBS sports HQ. It is always on always free not to pay a subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV start watching today. Will welcome to the big big board podcast. I am Dan Zuta joint here by Christopher Chris. How're you doing today? You know, I'm doing good you once again, we have a we have a guest, and I think this is going to be pretty cool on for people. Yeah. I think it is for some long time. We view readers, you will know our guests. Most of you will know him as Invictus Kunal. Welcome to the show pleasure being there goes this is pretty cool. Yeah. Good to be talking to you again, while we talk all the time, but in an official capacity, absolutely awesome. So the three of us today are going to dive into some draft things. That's what we do on this draft podcast of more. Specifically, we are going to talk about some players. We like a widow more, then the just general consensus and a couple of players we like less than the general consensus. We've kind of just been diving. Into a lot of what's going on at these positions. And so we just wanted to take a step back right now. And kind of get a feel for guys we make sure some of you guys just by listening to Chris myself over the past like what like six months, we've been talking about draft prospects at this point, you probably know some of the guys that we like, I would just let, you know, then the Naga is not going to be a guy like you guys already know that if you've listened long enough, so we're going to try to just change it up a little bit. So we're going to start off with guys that we like more than they consensus in Chris. Why don't you start us off with your first guy? Sure, I was thinking about this. I decide go for a little bit of a deep cut for these. 'cause we've taught a ton about Brian burns Montas, sweat and the recently confirmed most freakishly athletic off ball nose tackle in the world at Oliver. So I thought I'd go down the draft a little bit and go Tyree Saint Louis offense attack. A lot of Miami. I know a lot of people kinda get the gbs now when talk about an offensive tackle from the U but tire Saint Louis is not Eric flowers. Yes. So having been Miami fan myself Tari, Saint Louis completely different americ- flowers. I think in our when we talk about flowers, the big thing that you know, we really were concerned with and what ultimately was his downfall where his hands, and you know, Saint Louis he's he looks the part, right? He's got long arms. He has great foot speed, which is something also very different. You know, we talk about flowers. Speed Russia's and this is an understatement where struggle for pretty much because he couldn't any didn't have the foot quickness Dan Lewis completely different. That's not to say that you know, he's a first round pick or anything like that. But he no he he isn't a finished product. But he has potential, and you know, when we're talking about guys in the mid rounds. I think I think you could do a lot worse than him. Yeah. In also, one of the things I like about him is that he has played both left and right tackle. So he could leave ably compete for right tackle right away. Especially if they don't find anyone better between now and up to the fourth round. And maybe if he develops he could give them give the giants a an option to move on. From Nate solar after the twenty twenty season when he hasn't out in his contract. But like you said great foot quickness good hands long arms. He's got. The size roughly six five three fifteen or so at least that's what he was listed at. I don't believe he was invited to the combine which shame. No, he wasn't. And that makes him a kind of a bit of misery. We don't really get to see in athletic profile has looking he's not even wasted from approach. I don't know if Miami had their pro or not yet, but he's not even like in the spark database right now. How long like a hundred forty offensive linemen that are listed it. So yeah, it's it's a bit of a deep dive there. But he is someone who has shown a some ability at a at a pretty high level. I mean in Miami does give you Newsome the the shade of Eric flowers. But you you scout the player in not the uniform at not all players at the same position from the same school are the same. That's a very flawed way of thinking about things, although it's a very popular way. Sometimes you think about Deng's. Yeah. You could be an. Option because that could be where the giants are looking at tackle, especially when you look at the if they're going to go heavy on defense in the first round. They might be waiting waiter in the draft to to try to get one of those developmental tackle prospects. So we'll see consult why don't we go with your first guy who you like a little more than maybe everyone else. So, you know, we've heard from everybody that Dave Gettleman is going to pick a pass rusher at some point in the first round whether that be six or seventeen I'm gonna talk about the guy that I have near the top of my my list in terms of a pass rushing prospects, and that's clone. Feral? I don't feel like, you know, he kinda gets do we talk about Brian burns. Josh Allen, Nick Bosa on tests, sweat, but feral kinda gets you know, pushed to the back end. He somebody who I think would be really really intrigued Donnelley does he have you know, the great length, right? His arms are over thirty four. But. One of the most productive pass rushers. You know in the country. He was everywhere for for the Clemson Tigers and one of the big things. And I think one of the traits that you really can't teach is just is snap explosion. When you see this guy. He is consistently the first person off the ball. And that's talking about a Clemson lineup. Those pretty much an all star defensive line. He was consistently off the ball. He really really good at defending the run and setting the edge. And you know, that makes them one of the most balanced prospects in the draft. You know, I know there's concerns with with other players, which as you know, Brian burns in terms of how are they going to do run? The you're not gonna get that with Ferrell. A lot of people say, you know, he's probably better at four three defensive end. My thing is no jazz. Becher runs a multiple a multiple look defense. Right. We don't really talk about four three DS or three four. Oh, oh bees. We just talk about edge guys. Now. Era will struggle bit backpedaling. But you're not drafting him the back you're drafting him to rush the passer. And I think he's he's somebody who's really really, you know, good option, you know, in the first round that can do that for us. Yeah. I I really like Farrell to and this is completely by coincidence. But my profile on Farrell we'll be going up well tomorrow as we record today as it gets posted as this podcast gets posted. So yeah, I I've been actually watching a lot of film on him recently. At to me, what stands out is his hands. You mentioned these his arms are longer than my legs. And he knows how to use them. Like, he always extends. He gets e creates space for himself and his hand usage is just great offense of lineman. Just cannot lock into him. They can't lock in. They can't control him. And then it's just. Either a long arm or a quote, quick remove and he's passed them. Yeah. And two can also point about like the three four and in four three, and I agree that that's not really a thing anymore that anyone really needs to worry about because there's there's so much nickel in the NFL right now that is that is the base that is based teams are playing nickel. But feral has has a little more experience sanding up. Then I think a lot of people get them credit for looking at the SIS rookie handbook right now, which we've talked about with Manchurian on a foreign podcast again. If you have not gotten this book, definitely check it out, but they whist feral having only been lined up in a three point stance. Seventy five point four percent of the time. So almost a quarter of the time. He was standing up a he'll brushed eighty four percent of the time of pass naps. So he did drop back a little bit. So he has a lot more of that. He has a lot. More experienced there. Then I think a lot of people do give them credit for and so the scheme fifth thing doesn't really fit for me. I'm looking at the big board. I've kind of been slightly putting together I have him eighteenth. And I think that might be high for some people when people are talking about what the giants are going to do at seventeen I know mostly they're talking about edge at six so they don't talk about it as much at seventeen, but he could absolutely be option. They're looking at the pressure rate. He was fourth in distract class in in pressure rate. So he was consistently getting to the quarterback in twenty three run stocks, which was big four pass breakups two. So I he's just he was like, you said just all over the place does everything absolutely. All right. So I'm going to jump into my first guy that I like a widow board, then consensus, and that is Emmanuel hall who is a wide receiver from Missouri. If you read my target yards added peace, and I'll just give quick rundown on that into the metric I've put together every year just basically taking a wide receiver and splitting what he averages in yards per target. When he's thrown at and what his quarterback averages in yards pre attempt when he throws to literally anyone else, and then you will hall I in that metric this year by a wide margin. I seven point four three thirty yards added, which means drew lock average seven point four three more yards. When throwing to Emmanuel hall than anyone else on the misery offense that that that is absurd again, and you know, that takes into account some running backs where yards per target isn't very. Hi. But that is easily the top Mark industry class. I and then when you look at him, you can think of that that he's his deep threat, and he is quick, but a per SIS only forty four point three percent of his routes went further than fifteen yards a past the line of scrimmage, which is one of the lowest rates in this draft class. So he's able to win in intermediate range and then make big gains, but also win deep. His three point nine yards per route run is is second industry class behind Andy Isabella who's also looks very favorably by target yards added. He's just a guy. There are some some injury concerns. He did miss some time. You'll we had fifty eight targets this year with misery because there was some injuries. But I just think the upside is there he's like a borderline top thirty to pick for me. And he is just he's not there. I think in a lot of other people's minds. No, I I've seen a lot of people question. His hands. Which there are drops. But also kinda use him as a reason why drew locked in take the step forward that he might have. But yet he he does jump out on tape. And especially for the giants. They need somebody who can threaten the defense deep, especially if they're just not going to let Evan Ingram run the seem at all again. So to Christmas point, you know, I guess I was forced to watch a lot more drew lock than I initially had wanted to. But when you watch him, and I think you guys can attest to this. A lot of his throws were off balance off his back foot. And so the accuracy was you know, not the best. But you see Emmanuel hall, and one of the things that you really look for is just the savviness that that that that he has to adjust mid route and to and to catch some of these balls because you know, there were times that I saw drew lock throw the ball, you know, kind of away from where the Emmanuel hall had run, and he was able to adjust on the fly, and that is a phenomenal trait. And like you guys said we need some deep speed. We lost the only deep speed on the roster because we're not using evidence. From that way. You would be great fit. Just because you know, we need the deep speed that we just recently lost. And we're not gonna talk about now this. So I did this out the other day. So there are three wide receivers industry class who were above the class. Average is in it yards added positive play percentage against man coverage and positive play percentage against his own coverage and those pas. And play percentages are SIS. The three hundred bears are all guys that I do like a lot manual hall. JJ Sega Whiteside of Stanford and Gary Jennings of West Virginia. So that's there's three guys above average in all three of those ticks. So I like call a lot. He would give the giants something. They don't have whether that's something they want right now. We don't totally know that looks like they're setting up for this yards after catch offense. But also again forty four point three percent of his routes wet more than fifteen yards. So we have that ability to win in the short and intermediate areas. All right. So we're going to do two guys that we like each. So Chris, let's go back up to you. And your second guy. I'm going to stay at wide receiver sort of. And those the player who just intrigues the hell outta me in Jalen Hurd wide receiver out of Baylor. Also running back out of Tennessee. And that's what intrigues me about him. He's listed at. Six four six five in about two twenty five to thirty. So he was a big running back coming out of Tennessee. But then he transferred over to Baylor and transition to wide receiver. He only has one year of experience at whiteout, but he looks comfortable in it, especially for a Baylor wide receiver. He's already at good route runner. He he shows solid hands catching the ball and tracking it making adjustments. He's got speed. He's got size and Baylor still used him as a running back on occasion especially in short yardage situations. So I think that's a player that a fairly inventive coach a coach who likes to move players around could have some fun with. Absolutely. I think I think just the fact that he has he has experienced both running back and wide receiver. You know, as Dan said we're going to be an offense that is predicated on yards. After the catch short shifty routes. You know, I don't know where you guys have been but late day too early day three I become trouble. I'm not hearing a lot about him from anyone. So I'm guessing maybe day three. Yeah. Somewhere in there, which they've got a lot of picks the they do. Absolutely. Yeah. That that seems to be his range it with like he's learning the nuances of wide receiver body. Of course, he only has that one decision there. But you can see some of the things that have translated from running back. He per sports positions. Your brand forty eight point three percent of his routes deep. He had nine unique routes, and that's what as I s tracks of the amount of routes that are we take up five percent of receivers route tree and nine is super high. That's like the highest of any of these wide receiver. So you usually historically think of Baylor guys who were on the outside running goes like the whole time that was not Jalen Hurd. I was in the slot. Eighty six point seven percent of the time. So he does have a little bit of outside but mostly in the slot. Then when you look at the way, he beat the man covered sixty point seven percent positive play percentage against man because that's really good. He's able to be. Man. I think he needs some of this new waters and you see that zone. The coverage just forty eight point six percent positive play percentage against zone coverage which well below average. So you think of some of those option routing and things he can possibly word especially coming out of the slot at the next level. But there's development that that is on the horizon, you can see what a developed version of Jalen Hurd looks like and a lot of receivers that are going to be in that area. You you can't see that you think maybe that could happen. But I think there is a very clear path to Jalen Hurd becoming a better wide receiver. You know, you you look at the fact that he had he had positive grades against man. Despite the fact that he is playing in the slot as a six four almost two hundred and thirty pound wide receiver, you know. And that tells you that, you know, there's something there there's something that you can work with for sure that's impr-. Oppressive yet. And I'll say I'm I'm just looking at his spider chart right now. And he has some interesting comps that echinacea Saint Brown and elm Lazard from the twenty eight teen draft. Kenny golladay from twenty seventeen Jordan Mathews from twenty fourteen. A old friend Jeremy Davis from twenty fifteen conc- noon while from twenty fourteen in Cody Latimer to he's got a intriguing Bill doom that a lot of receivers who might not be top receivers. But a lot who have at least had some success yet. Absolutely. So do not why don't we go to your second guy. So I'm gonna stick around, you know, our number seventeen pick, and I'm gonna stay with with the lines. And this time I'm going to select Washington state, offense tackle, Andre Dillard. You know, we talk a lot about, you know, potential offensive linemen to kind of round out the offense line, Dillard, kind of, you know, spend some time under the radar. I haven't as my number two offense of tackle behind only join Williams, and I think if you're looking for somebody to keep alive or whoever or quarterback is upright. You can't go wrong with Dillard, I think he has. He's the best past protection, offense tackle. In this draft or not if you can't watch a whole lot of you know, if you can't watch a whole lot of Washington state games. Just take a look at his movement. When it comes to the Combi, you know, his footwork was special and his full work is special in one of the things that you look at when you look at an offensive tackle you look at lettuces them. You look at their ability to play in space, and you look at both their footwork and their punch can they recover from the speed rush. Can they drive a, you know, a defender off the ball? I would say the only weakness that I see in Dillard's game. Is you know, if you're if you're really really pushing that hog, Molly, you know, philosophy one drive somebody off the ball, but he is a very effective seal blocker in zone scheme, which we do run quite a bit. You know, I think that this is a guy that could step in day. One started. Right. Great tackle. And eventually take over for Nate soldier and be one of the best. Pass protection tackles. I compared the Toronto Armstead. That's who he kinda really reminds me of which is high praise it is. But I'm believer. Yeah. I'll say he's especially his combine made a believer out of me. I was I was a little leery of him. Just watching his tape at Washington state because he never really showed a real kick slide. He'll is just kind of used this kind of diagonal shuffle. That looked really awkward, and I just wasn't sure how is going to deal with just NFL pass rushers. But then the combine they put him in the kick slide rail, and he did it almost flawlessly. He kept his hips pretty much parallel to the imaginary line of scrimmage. He ran the rabbit right by that just cleared up that question for me. So yeah. Yeah. Dillard might be right now my OT one while I'm I'm a big fan of his. So he we're talking about the combat, and you guys are talking about some of the Josie did. But the athletes testing was incredible. I he's. First among this entire authentic line class in spark, which again is a composite score of all the testing is in the ninety seventh percentile of NFL offensive linemen that is very good. And then you look at some of his production on the field. And some of his metrics the SIS shorted him with a zero point four four percent blown block rate against the past. That is easily the best in this draft class yet a one point one to walk rate against the run, which is about average. But I really honestly don't care about your run blocking if you can pass botch. Well, you can figure out how to eventually run block. Well, that's kind of my philosophy on offensive lineman. You can have maybe some hesitation with Washington state offense because it was the very quick. So he wasn't holding blocks for an extended period of time. But if you were projecting him into the giants offense, they're not holding blocks review. Long period of time either they want to get the ball out with the current quarterback. They have and with the wide receivers. They have to is going to be a very quick strike offense. So between Dillard's athleticism his ability to pass block. I think he's going to be fine run blocker at the next level. I'm very high on him. I would if he's available at seventeen which he might not be I have he would probably be my ideal pick right now if we're taking quarterback out of the equation, which we probably are. But the with quarterback that's going to be my second guy here. And it's it's not a guy. That's brought up in the first round conversation a lot. And I think he should maybe I don't know. I don't know if this strap classes any good, I really don't think so I like Berio lot. I have mixed feelings on literally everyone else. The except Jones. I don't like to Jones. But it's so the my guy is will Greer of West Virginia and a lot of that has to do with how accurate he is the my philosophy right now on quarterbacks is you can't teach. Accuracy SIS only has on target percentage for quarterbacks going back to you think the twenty sixteen and in college. So there's really only two draft classes that show up. But when you look at what some of the highly drafted quarterbacks had on untargeted percentage in their last college season and their first NFL season. None of them had a higher percentage only. I think two came within the one percent of their college on target percentage. And one of those was showing Kaiser who had the lowest on target percentage of all of those guys. So that's not really helping to Greer is just he's accurate to all all parts of the field. He's deadly accurate from one to ten. He's good. Good in the intermediate. He has really a good depot. He doesn't not always the guy that is shown with arm strength. But he's accurate on those depots, and he can get it over all he has the highest on target percentage of this quarterback class. He had a great production. It was in the big twelve which you have to account for that a little bit. He wasn't facing great pass defenses. And his biggest issue is he tries to force things. Sometimes when they're not there. He'll he'll try to scramble out of the pocket. And like he's Taylor Murray and that can run into problems because he's not Kyle berry on those. But when you look at how far down the field he threw and he was still accurate now. Josh Kerns buyer of five thirty eight did a projected system that the basis completion percentage on death of charge it and will Greer was second in his class behind Murray. The to my surprise football, outsiders, just came out with Cuba's and Greer was the lowest of quarterbacks who were viewed to be in the top. Hundred which kind of surprised me, but they don't take accuracy into account, which I think now that we have those numbers, and we can use that I think that should become a bigger part of a quarterback evaluation. It's become a bigger part of my quarterback evaluation. So I don't think I'm going to stand here and say he should be the giants pick at like seventeen. A, but I think he is easily QB three for me the baby QB like two and a half getting closer to Haskins than I think I would have thought earlier in this process. Yeah. That's just kind of how I'm viewing quarterbacks right now. Especially since I don't like any of the other guys. I think they're too inconsistent. And the play just varies way too much for me. You had that might be kind of commentary on the rest of the non Cuyler Murray class and to a lesser extent nine Wayne Haskins. But yet accuracy definitely does translate. And at least for inconsistencies. I would rather have my quarterback be inconsistent because he is a being aggressive as opposed to be inconsistent because his mechanics are just funky, and you can never get his feet and upper body pointing in the same direction everything comes with context. And so with Greer I'm not so sure that his offensive line. You know, outside of a few players was all that great. And the games that I had charted from him. He was under a lot of duress. But you know, like you guys said he made he made the throws that he needed to make. And he was accurate when he needed to make them. Yeah. Port of port of why I've I think even just viewing him as QB three of makes him higher on my board, then than most people, and it's just yeah. It's part of how undoing quarterbacks right now in how looking at my evaluations in the past and and trying to figure out how that projects going forward. I would much rather have a. A quarterback who I could probably no rain in by saying, hey, maybe don't do that anymore. Like, it's okay to throw that ball away, then trying to fix someone who's going to miss in open guy. I much rather have the guy where I'm just trying to rein him in a little bit. And if I'm good coach, I'm working on getting those receivers open and not having my quarterback under duress. So he can have those open throws in. This is some of the same things people said about Patrick Mahomes. He's going to have to get rained in. But I'm not saying Wilders, Patrick Mahomes. But I'm saying he was putting an offense that the just wide open throws all the time. And he was able to throw them accurately and Numa homes had the highest on target percentage of the of the quarterbacks I looked at over over the past couple of draft classes. So that just kind of where I come down here. We're going to take a quick break. And then come back with some guys we like a little west than the overall. Sensus get your brackets ready. March madness is here and the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage. CBS sports HQ CBS sports HQ is a free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. CBS sports HQ got you covered by cutting through the noise of hot takes fake debates to get smart analysis, and helpful highlights for your fantasy teams and beyond checkout. CBS sports HQ. It's always on an always free. 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Well, not the easiest way out but easier than the deep cuts in the first part, and I decided to go with Greg little the left tackle at of omiss. He's a player to me. He passes the eye test. But doesn't do all that? Well, when it comes to the essay part of the test. He's got everything you look for in an offensive tackle it. He's got the size. He's got long arms. He's just a I offer Russ tight guy but get him on the field. And it just starts to break down. He doesn't have the feet. You would hope to see his movement skills are net at best and. I have at least for a while. I was seeing him. Kind of reckoned is one of the top tackles in the class. And I just couldn't go there with him. I I agree with you. I think there's there's a lot. You know, there's a lot of rawness that that makes me a little scared. And it was for all the reasons you said, and you know, it's I don't want to say I get Eric flower vibes from him because I would never want to put that on offense. Art. But, you know, the amount of amount of work that he has to do in order to realize what I think is an enormous talent, you know, is a lot. And it's and it's something that, you know, I think he can be successful. If he's with the right offensive line coach, and if he's in the right scheme, but you know, that's that's somebody that I wouldn't I wouldn't take you know, on day one early day to maybe if he happens to slip in lands with Dante's Garcia. He'll be a perennial. All pro. Right. Non-paper may not so much. Yeah. It's it's interesting. So in the SIS rookie handbook they have a widow graded as their number one offensive tackle. But if you look at blown block metrics, he's just about average against the pass and against the run. So I think it's a little boy trait base there than than production base. And then you will get what he did at the combine. I mean, he was in the thirty first percentile of lung NFL tackles in spark, and that's not a disqualifier at all. You can still be productive being that low until you get like into like below that the tenth percentile is where you should really worry. But if the guy who's not super athletic and some of the production wasn't there either. You can see how maybe there there is a path for him. Definitely not being as good as some expect them to be. So with that. Why don't we go to the first guy that you like maybe a little less than two consensus? So. Ally. Chris I'm not gonna take these e way out, and I might I might annoy a few people here with my pig, but I'm gonna actually go Josh Allen. You know, the guy ramble. Guide. That we would that a lot of people would be drooling over at number six a lot of people penciled into the New York Jets. I think you know, I think he's a little overrated. And and the reason why I think so just is watching him, and I still have him as a projected top ten pick. You know, I think he has a lot of phenomenal traits. But you know, there are things that that, you know, give you pause, for example. He was very productive. They're very productive. I think he had something like fourteen six our stats aren't the be all end. All right. Josh Allen is is more raw than I think a lot of people lead on. He does not have a move after. If his first move is sealed off is sealed off he needs to work on his counters. And if he doesn't he's going to struggle a lot of where people really like Josh on his his ability to go into coverage. I agree is is great at at backpedaling. You know? Dropping zones, and you know, even decent at a at a at covering tight ends in man coverage. However, again, if you're going to draft him top five top six you are not drafting him for his ability to backpedal and cover your drafting him to get after the quarterback. A lot of his production was either against tight ends or unblocked. And so has great bend. But he hasn't used it consistently. Does not have a consistent. Passing it pass rush repertoire, which I think I would need to see he's somebody that I would really kind of compare it to like an Anthony Barr, for example, rather than von Miller or Myles Garrett. The I I would draft a von Miller Myles Garrett and number three I'm not so sure I would draft Anthony Barr, and we're three I see where you're coming from. And. Yeah, you do see that rawness. But I would counter that by saying that he he has shown the work ethic to at least get to try to improve on his fault. He got better from his sophomore through his senior season. So I could see a team drafting him in hoping for an immediate spark. And then he improve and work on those flaws. Oh, I definitely agree. I definitely agree. They're like I said, I still think he's a top ten guy. And I think you know, he deserves to be a top ten guy. I just don't think he. You can come in and expect him to, you know, get double digit sacks automatically in his rookie season the way, you know, even Bradley Chubb was able to do this year. I can see the point. Yeah. So you we wind up in three point stance. Three point seven percent of the time. I think that's probably a little overblown winding up three point stance in brushing off the edge as down linemen. I think is kind of like playing under center for a quarterback. I think a lot of people make a big deal. If you haven't done it. And I don't think it's particularly hard skill to learn if you have to but he only rush the passer about sixty percent of the time. He can't he played that outside linebacker role in Kentucky kind of the same that Lorenzo Carter played with Georgia. And did something you would like to see him brush the passer a little more in Renzo Carter needed to develop more. I think Josh Allen is. A little more athletic has a little more pass rush ability than Lorenzo Carter did coming in. But I can see the point. And if you wanted to bump someone up, you know, like like, maybe a Montas wetter or someone who does have just more no pass brush experience and downton down ability. I could see that. And so going into the pass rushes. It's one of the reasons I am not high on the my the first guy here, and that's a Dexter Lawrence the interior defensive linemen from Clemson, there's there's mixed stags on him. Some people think he's one of the better defensive. I'm in in this class is basically a three hundred forty three hundred fifty pound nose tackle. And it just isn't the way I've you'd the NFL right now being a great run defender, isn't all that valuable. If you don't have a little bit more pass rushing ability than Lawrence has if he's going to go maybe the end of round one like top around. Two. That's a lot to give up on someone whose only job is to just take up space and defend the run like you. I think you almost have to be like Damon Harrison level good against the run. If you're going to have that value there, and he showed a little bit of pass rush ability at Clemson. But mostly it was just because he is a gigantic human being, and he was able to kinda push forward that he has to be a little more refined to be able to get that to work in the NFL. So just in the sense of him not really bring in. I think it's just a positional value thing. I'm just not going to value in nose tackle highly to wear warrants is going to go. If there's not the desired amount of pass rush ability. I think there's there's a lot of other defensive tackles that you can play around that same area who are going to have that pass rush ability. And that's even pass like the the Oliver's and Quinton Williams. Like if you will get someone like Jerry Tillery who might go around where Lawrence's? Tillery is probably just as good against the Ron. And he's a really good pass rusher. I'd much rather have someone like that? So that's just I think just kind of a positional value preference. For me of why I'm not gonna view orange where I think a lot of other people are that's fair. Although we know what they've got him and thinks of your whole positional value argument. And it is it is. That's fair. I think maybe he could become a better pass rusher may definitely not at the ability of Quin Williams or at Oliver or even Jerry Tillery or Christian Wilkins or Jeffrey Simmons as soon as he's healed up, and Dan this is a good front seven class. Yeah. The to buy like think of all the guys US is that an wear warrants of might go of among them. Exactly. So that is a really strong argument against him. Or at least why he should slide down a little bit not to spend a high draft pick on him. He does have just a freakish amount of athleticism for a guy his size. I running a five second forty at three hundred forty pounds is just stupid, and he does have better lateral agility. I think than he has any right to again, not absolutely phenomenal. But within the context of being a three hundred. And forty pound human being he moves better than he really should be able to. But he definitely needs to learn how to use that and become a pass rusher and not just a big athletic human. Yup. I mean, I can't disagree with with anything that you guys said, and I kind of have the same same view of Lawrence. You know, he's right now, he's a really big athletic person that takes up space. However, you know, you're going to need a little bit more than that. In order to be a top fifty top fifty pig. You know, you have to be able to show some juice in the past game. You know, if he was able to consistently, you know, at least just collapse the pocket from the inside he would go he would be a top thirty to pick. But that's the thing. He's not consistent. And you know, I talked about this with feral, but Lawrence was in, you know, a defensive line full of all stars. And sometimes you know, while that can be. Great. It can also kind of color evaluation of players as well. And it makes evaluation a little bit difficult is this because they're great or are they succeeding because of the players around him. I think for Lawrence. I think in all these marks and all these big boards. He's he's very high in part. I think because because of this partner in crime Christian Wilkins a little yet. We'll wilkins. It's just a fun player to watch just as a classic three technique. Absolutely. Yes. So Chris, why don't we go over to to your second guy? Okay. Mine is going to be another one who might be a little bit. Maybe a little bit controversial. And that is greedy Williams, the cornerback out of LSU. And again, he's he passes the test with flying colors. Maybe might wanted to have a little bit more bulk in thickness, but he's got the length. He's got speed for days. And as we were talking about before he we went on the air. If you get him in the right situations. He is he deserves to be mentioned as one of the top corners in distract on. I think it would be scheming preference basically between him and by Murphy out in Washington, but getting him out of those situations, or when he has to do something other than what he is best at his work is just a little too inconsistent for me he can get off balance. He looked sometimes looks a little bit tight, and it's just a little bit too much for me to have him as just unequivocally my top guy there. That's that's fair. I am going to respectfully disagree. I actually have greedy Williams's might top guy. But, but I I will say you're absolutely right. I think it is a matter of preference in terms of you know, what scheming run. But if you run in oh, primarily man, and you do a lot of press. Bail. I think he he is he has the potential to be one of the top cover guys in the league. After after a few years. I compare him to Stefan Gilmore, I think they are very similar players. And while I do agree that, you know, sometimes he's a little tight. Sometimes it's footwork is is is all wonky. I think his recovery on players is is phenomenal watch him against decay. Metcalf will out of people have as their top. Why receiver in showed out as like a freak in the at the combine and greedy was able to match up with him. Step step for step thous, really the game that kind of sold me on him as my top guy, even with, you know, more slippery players like Riley. Ridley he was able to he was able to stay on them. I think as abound dri corner, you could do a lot worse than him. I think maybe at the high end he could use his Stephon Gilmore, I maybe. DRC Dominique Rodgers Cromartie. But again that similar kind of press bale using length and recovery to kind of close gaps and just close the door on passes. If he could get into a situation in developed that kind of player. Absolutely, I cannot why don't we get into your second guy who you might like a little less than consensus. So I guess I'm going to be talking about authentic tackles today. But you know, the guy that I like a little bit less than other people. But again, I have him as you know, a top fifteen top twenty guys John Taylor. A lot of people have him as their top as top offensive tackle. I have number three behind Audrey diligent talked about journal Williams. I think you know, when you look at him. He looks like he's an all pro offensive tackle right off the bat. He's got you know, prototype size. He has impressive foot speed for somebody who's size. What scares me is? He still doesn't play with leverage all that. Well, and he's his punch still gives me pause. And my God. I don't it. I guess it's a problem when I talk about Eric flowers this much, but you know, air flowers the one thing he taught me about prospect evaluation when it comes offense lineman. You know, hands are important. I used to think it was all about foot work, but hands are just as important and Joon Taylor. If he gets his hands on you. It's over, but he s again, his hands on you. And you know, his his punch is kind of all over the place. I see him punching too high. I can see players kind of bend around him quite a bit watch him against Kentucky. And if you put down there's plenty of evidence that he's a top five top ten pick not to say that. He can't improve. But you know, again, it's it's something that that gives you pause for Stang. This guy is going to be, you know, the next Tyran Smith or whoever it is. You wanna compare him to now? I'll I'll agree with that. I do like John Taylor. You mentioned his foot speed. I I can't remember who it was that game against Kentucky or one against Mississippi State. They run the defense runs kind of delayed blitz to his side. And he just passes off his guy and recovers and gets out to pick up the blitz. Just it was a while play for me still. He you can see those flashes of upside. Yes. Like, you said his he just needs to get more consistent and just get better using those tools on a play in play out basis, which that could be why it took him until just this year to really emerge, and he just maybe he's starting to get it. We don't know yet. Yes. So this is interesting because per the SIS blown blocked grates. He has zero point eight seven percent blown block rate against the pass. Which is the fourth best in his class a zero point two three blunt block great against the run, which is the desk. In this class. So it might not always be super pretty, but he had did get the job done at Florida a last year on he's probably my tackle to behind Dillard. So I could I could see where sometimes it doesn't look great. But I think there's I think there's enough there to to get going. Oh, I definitely agree with that. I like I said, you know, he's he's a sure fire first round pick surefire top twenty pig. I just don't think he's the stone cold lead pipe lock Pearl offensive tackle. But a lot of people are saying, but I think he I definitely agree. Go probably be quite successful wherever he goes. All right to I am going to end this segment with my last guy, and that is a Riley Ridley a wide receiver from Georgia. I think there is a nixed bag here on how. How people do view Ridley. I think early in the process some people had him as like a top five wide receiver. I think that's that's fallen back a little bit. But I am super low on him. And I'm not even sure where he ranks him by wide receivers. But it's very well. Because he came in at a negative target yards added, which means when Georgia was throwing to Riley. They average west yards per target than when they threw to anyone else that is not a good sign for a wide receiver at the NFL level. Among the wide receivers. I have in charting since. I've started at target yards added. So heading into this class. I have one hundred sixty seven wide receivers in this group and an eighteen of them came in at negative target yards added, and I'll say maybe as a book at the wiz two of them. Maybe have been a decent pro players. A one is time Montgomery who became a running back. And that's how he principal NFL players. That's one not a good sign. And then number two is a Dante Pettis who was rookie last year. He was good when he was on the field, but also got injured. So he's still the wait. And see there's a lot of other names of guys some people life. There's Jalen Sanders like Allen Lazard from last year know, Stacey co we can lower our TV Scott driving Durell. There's a lot of names of guys who were just add were not very good in were mostly low picks in the draft. And did not end up playing well in the NFL pet is is really the only guy in that group who got drafted highly. I'm not sure where Ridley is going to go. You know, he he has those traits, but the production is not there. And that's a huge red flag for me. I found just in this group since in targets added anyone who is at negative tardy. Yards added when a college offense was less productive throwing to you than anyone else on the field. I that that just doesn't bode well for NFL success. So I agree. I'm actually a little bit more down on on Ridley than than the others that that see him as I've heard people go as high as, you know, early day two or somebody that could be an option for the giants that number thirty seven I think, that's that's way too high. When I saw him. I was reminded of of Mohamed sanu. I think he's a dead ringer for the way that sanu plays. And that's that's you know, somebody who has a ceiling as a number two wide receiver one thing. I will say is you know, he's got phenomenal hands and he has phenomenal body control. He's a decent route runner. But. He just doesn't have the quickness, you know, obviously, the long speed is not there. He had a four five eight forty not too much explosion seven to three cone, which is which is kind of awful at four to eight shuttle, which I think at all of her be bad. You know? No, he doesn't have the short area quickness. He doesn't have the long speed to really be, you know. Amazing number one. I do think he can he can make make some hay as a number number two wide receiver. But I think this was a good pig as for it. You know, a player that's been getting a lot of hype. But maybe maybe needs to be knocked down a little, and I would say, especially with this draft plan just with this wide receiver class being the way it is. Where yet everywhere you turn. There's another wideout who is just like this guy could be good. This guy could be good. This guy could be good. You have guys like a Emmanuel hall and deebo Samuel. And I like Antoine Wesley at Texas Tech. And there's just is all the strap is just littered with receivers who just have a lot of upside. And they taking a guide who is who might be a good number two. You don't want to spend a high draft pick on that the say Muhammad to new in number to you. That's that's I think the ceiling. That's I think that's what you should expect. I I don't even predict that of for him right now. So we are going to end this episode here. Thank you so much for for joining us today. Thank you so much for having me. This is a lot of fun. And we'll have to do it again. Absolutely. I'm down. Right. You can find this podcast wherever you get your podcast, please rate and review if you have not that helped us out greatly can fall are work at big. We've you can follow big review on Twitter at big blue view in follow big view on Instagram at big underscore, Blu underscored view, follow me on Twitter. At damp Zuhdi fell. Chris on Twitter at raptor, M K. I think he has for listening, and we will talk to you again soon.
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He's on the course right now this across the river from where we sit does he have a run in them as he finishes the season that began with a bang all that more as we thank you for being with us live from new york and i'd take a look at this group of football acumen assembled around me this morning and i am just excited as could be acho is here jeremy fowler made his way with all the insight in the world as we are now twenty nine days and counting away from the start of the national football league season and and we begin today's we do just about every day with the latest on the ezekiel elliott holdout it continues yesterday. Josefina reported zeke is willing to miss regular season games if he he does not get deal. He wants boys executive v._p. And c._e._o. Steven jones spoke yesterday about the contract situation. I think you could easily get out of oxnard and be back in dallas before anything gets done matter of fact. I don't see any momentum. That would lead me to believe that we're going to get anything done while we're out here. I i don't want to get into what we've offered but we've been very generous with our offer and like i said it's not that we don't want what these guys to have their money. We want to be happy with their contract but they also some point. They gotta get their hands around. You know we're not saving this money for for the jones family. We're we're dividing up the pie and it's jillian us final. Call all to decide who gets what so interesting. That's what stephen jones said so. Let's let jeremy fowler have the first word on this jeremy. What are we hearing about. The latest on this contract contract situation walgreens ezekiel and the dallas cowboys have exchanged contract proposals. I'm told that has happened in recent days but here's the issue greenie. There is a sizable gap in money. One source told me they are not even in the same zip code right now the running back market the top of his thirteen to fifteen million dollars zeke swinging for the upper deck here make no mistake about it but though he is prepared to miss games he doesn't want that he's in kabo. He's one hundred percent healthy ready to go the cowboys. I don't want that so they're negotiating respectfully trying to get something done aired. Stephen jones say he thinks it could get out of oxnard. That's where the team is jeremy. Stay with me there. We'll come back to you in a minute. Let me take they get to the table and i feel like we've been talking about this basically every single day r._c. Let me put the question this way clearly right now. This isn't a significant problem. He's running back. He knows the offense the align everything else. At what point does this start to become an issue that will affect the regular season when it gets to the regular season when this is a guy who's not available will for your team and he's the best player not only on this offense but he's the bill the makes the entire team go the entire organization rest on the legs of ezekiel elliott and when i listen listen to stephen jones. Here's what i hear a. We're not like mcdonald's right. We're not trying to hoard the catch up. We're not gonna make you pay ettore sauce for your nuggets in keep it all for ourselves. We want to keep you want to keep that we wanna keep amari cooper and we want you all to be happy veep. We just can't do that by making highest paid running back into league. Here's where i disagree. I think it does matter now. I hope zeke gets back sooner because when you look at the two thousand eleven lockout counting the n._f._l. When players weren't for o._t._a.'s report the injury rate went up by seventeen percent. What i mean is training in kabul was way different than being on the practice field. There is nothing like football conditioning. There's nothing like football shape so i understand what zeke is doing and what he has to do but it may pay negative dividends in the future just because his body may not be exactly where it needs to be timing on this thing is obviously incredibly important. We'll see how long this continuous meanwhile. He's not the only running back who is currently not in camp with his team. Let's take the los angeles. Chargers chargers running back. Melvin gordon also continues to hold out of training camp his agent. Maria's bilbo requested a trade but was not given permission to seek peak trade partners by the team that again according to our josina anderson and so let me bring jeremy fowler back into the conversation there jeremy. What is the latest. We're hearing about gordon. The charters are willing to pay melvin gordon at about ten million dollars a year. That's been the range but gordon wants to be with the big boys levy on bill david johnson that market starts at thirteen million dollars colors so much so the gordon his representation has offered a contract that includes some incentives to try to bridge that gap. The chargers have been unwilling to do that. They won't all budget and so. That's what gordon's feeling a little unsettled right now. I'm told all options are on the table. Including a potential hold up into the mid season range week eight or week nine just just in time to get back make sure his contract doesn't toll and he gets one more year toward free agency now so we've got the possibility of a trade with the possibility of a lengthy holdout. We always have the possibility the deal getting done. Let's take it back here because we use the word disrespect sometimes in this and that always sets off bells in my head because once you allow motion to get into the process where emotion really does not belong. We got trouble well. You know it's all disrespect in negotiations until somebody else shows you that it's true right when you're dealing with your team team and you feel like they should feel a certain way about the services provided for them and they don't wanna give you the money that you want. You feel like that's disrespectful like for. Why don't you value me. Why won't you work with me and this because his business and if you look at melvin gordon compared to the david johnson compared to the levee out bills compared to the todd girly heat tied girlies. He's a step below those guys and if you are they're going to try to pay you at that. Pre we don't know. I don't know the intricacies behind the exact exact offer but ryan hit the nail on the head businesses business in the n._f._l. I remember i got one time by the eagles and that was all sad about it. My coach told me is not if if we don't love you find out if somebody else is gonna sign while looked around on the left i look right. I didn't get signed on the eagles brought me right back and he said okay then very similar with melvin gordon. It's not that the chargers don't love him but you have to look at the numbers. He is a notch below. The girlies notch below the healthy david johnson's those types and it seems like they're trying to pay him accordingly. He's a bad man but but just keep everything in perspective also went four and they also went four now and the i'm sorry what did you say house. Demanding point melvin gordon's cool if if they don't want to pay him thirteen. I'm forty million a year. He's totally fine with that. His issue is send me somewhere else. Trae me to a team that will value me at that number and charge won't budge on that. That's sort of why don't settle i think yeah i think that's the thing like teams are in the business of trying to get rid of good players while they could still have you like that's the way the business is run and because of the contract attract because that you were still under contract they know exactly so that gained the n._b._a. Yet there's no bills around here. Yes the you can request the trade and you get dealt. We've seen that in the last two or three years but in football the owners still running. You're getting ahead of ourselves rich paul. We'll get to that meanwhile we have to get to green bay because is this is an interesting storyline. Packers camp another example of aaron rogers and his new head coach matt leflore not agreeing on something now. This one is a little different from what we've been talking about yesterday. Both men were asked about the joint practice sessions. The team has had this week with the houston texans. They had very different replies knowing it under the restaurant again. I wouldn't mind if they didn't go for another fourteen years for company. That's out of my control on california. That kind of be bombed out another city. You bring your team in understand the point of it. I don't think they would live special. Teams are very very smart. I think you get a lotta good workout it out of it and you know as long as you can keep. Everybody's temper in check and not let it escalate to to skirmishes. I think there's a lot of good work that can be had. These guys can't agree on anything. Obviously this is not the same kind of disagreement that we've been talking about but it is an example of what you said to to me the other day. I'll show which is that the coaches love. This stuff and the players hate it. We talked about this two days ago. The players hate it because ryan and i discussing we all said pre show. You don't the temple when you're going against other guys. Ryan and i are on the same team. We know. I'm going to jog down on kickoff for bud each other up a little bit. You know we'll wrestle a little bit and then co the whistle. You're going against another team. They're trying to take your head off greenie. I cannot overstate how serious they are about letting you know they're trying to win. That's the different oh absolutely and i understand both sides of this. If you're an aaron rodgers and your establish in this league this isn't something you want to do. You don't wanna see your tied right in going across the middle getting cross by blindsided hits but it's the undrafted free agent right. If you're the guy that's trying to make the team. I chose exactly right when i i look across at him. I don't have the same feeling for the dude. That's my roommate or for the guy that i'm in the same meeting rooms with and when you get out there it's going to be feast or famine because they're gonna kill you or you're going to kill them. It's dimmer me and it's not going to be in the the kicker are see as you said. You never know if you're going against the other teams undrafted free agent your who got a family to feed. You never know what he has on his mind. When you're going against your own t make exactly the boat. He's in you know the position he's in and he has respect for you want to get somebody feels different. This is a reaction in many ways. The team's doing this to the changes in the collective bargaining agreement right. They don't have the same number practices to a day's padded practices etc so the coaches which is like to use these as opportunities could they ultimately replaced preseason games. The commissioner keeps talking about getting rid of preseason games. Maybe get similar work from the thing is this though they're not replacing preseason games now. What they're doing is replacing extra practice life used to be. You got two times a day to see guys in pets and see them compete. You don't don't get that anymore. So now you have these presses against other teams you get the guys adjust on roy you get to see you guys understand the playbook and you also get to watch them compete against it's a different level of competition yet but what i'm saying is if they were to do away with two preseason games. The coaches will say well. We can't look at judge the back end of our roster. Maybe adding more more of these is where you will get a look but if you look at a team like the los angeles rams. They've added all the times that they can get going against oakland. They've gone against the los loss angeles chargers and while i was there in off season they say they even tried to get it together with the houston texans later on in the preseason so teams already moving to this for for evolves over the preseason gains anyway and lastly. I have to kill off the misconception that the back end of the roster and the for the most part eighty five to ninety percent of the roster greenie is all ready decided six cam. I was that free agent kind of guy. I was a late round. Pick it for the most part decided not to me worth the risk all right. We have much more football as we go as you can probably imagine but let's right now. Get up and go which is brought to you by relaxing. The begins with more football bad news for the cowboys. Robert quinn fractured his hand gene in one on one drills. Yesterday is out for the preseason. He will have surgery. Stephen jones did however say he expects him back in time for the start of the season so we always keep an eye on these injuries in preseason. There's one next baseball mariner second baseman. Tim beckham suspended eighty games for taking a performance enhancing substance. He said quote. I was given a product from a trusted source would advise me. It was safe to take regrettably. The product was tainted again. Suspended eighty games for p._d.'s adi's more baseball for the second time in three days the yankees gleyber torres had deleted game early due to what's being described now as pain in his core he left in the third inning of eventual yankees win over the orioles manager aaron boone said towards going back to new york for more tests as this is yet another scare in what has become a season full of injuries for for the yankees will have marked to share with thoughts on that about an hour from now live here on get up. Maybe he'll also chime in on this. The debut astros fans have been anticipating ever since the trade deadline. Last night happened in houston. Zach cranky is first appearance as an astro did not have as best gave up five earned in six innings got eleven runs from his offense that when they wanted eleven to six with the wind he's now eleven and four with a three zero eight e._r._a. In twenty four starts this year and then as brian sort sort of touched on interesting news out of the n._c. Double is they released a memo to agents outlining new policies for agents to represent players to wanna test their place in the n._b._a. B._a. Draft and one of those rules requires agents to have a bachelor's degree prompted reaction from a lot of parties. Yesterday it is being so widely described described as the rich paul rule rich. Paul has become a very powerful agent around basketball and does not have a bachelor's degree lebron. James was among those who reacted he tweeted. I hashtag the rich paul rule and then he added can't stop won't stop. They big madden scared. Nothing will stop this movement and culture over here. Sorry not sorry the liver that perfect. That's exactly how it sounded. When it won't stop they big mad. They are big mad if we can get by for just one moment my delivery of what he said which i grant you was probably ridiculous and yet accurate. Let's get let's get to what it actually actually is. I've seen this described in a lot of different ways including as a bad look for the n._c. Double a. who again now mandated to be clear this is for players who want to to find out where they might fall in the draft situation and still retain their eligibility and the right to go back the n._c._w. Can control that circumstance and they've decided someone like like rich. Paul cannot represent those guys. What was your reaction when you saw this is just the misguided rule right and it's another time the n._c._w._a. Does something to me that hurts players more than hurting agents more than hurting the n._b._a. Not giving these guys the opportunity to see the type of advice or seat the type of representation that can help them through this process regardless of a bachelor's degree regardless of being part of the n._b._a. or being confirmed by the n._b._a. For three years there's so so many opportunities that kids are going to miss to be around good people who understand the game of basketball and winning in the game of basketball on and off the court because because the n._c. Double a. wants to quote unquote protect an athlete client. That's not what they are. All it is is the aa trying to throw its weight back around. That's exactly actually what does the n._c._w._a. Missed and football a few years back when they said oh. We won't have any more days but guess what you'll have another week of practice. That was a swing and a miss. This is another swing and a miss. If if you wanna protect the athletes take different routes besides mandating the education requirements of an aging that just to me doesn't make sense winging and also to do it is such a blatant a blatant reason for would rue blatant reaction to one guy who whether you feel like he's qualified or not starting to make moves starting to throw around his way in a way that now steve kerr in coaches are complaining the n._b._a. Now has a problem the these players have too too much control and he's been controlled by one age the thing about it to me also rules come into play because there's a problem that's typically why you instill and install the rule. There hasn't hasn't been some sort of glaring issue to mandate this rule n._c. Double a. turn your attention elsewhere to something problem is day winning the battle rubble there. There are a lot of people who have a problem with it and all of those who rich paul has upset the apple cart in the in the business <hes>. We're going well beyond just the n._c. Double a. and there are people who i think lebron james had exactly right whether i said it exactly the way he meant it or not. I think he had it exactly right. This is the rich paul rule. It is a bad look. He has he has taken a position of of unusual power within the league and the sport and i think it is making a lot of people uncomfortable. I understand the reaction lebron. Many other athletes had to this yesterday yesterday. We'll have more on this as we go. Meanwhile the biggest superstar maybe in the entire world. That's words is directly across that river behind us. He is alive on the golf course this morning at liberty thirty national in jersey city. He teed off within the last hour in the northern trust pro-am. He will participate in the northern trust open this weekend. The first event of the fedex cup playoffs lucas strolling with them. Look at michael collins just straw happen. That's how you wear. Polo baby is that. Did you mean tiger mytalk. Uh-huh tell you you might remember his last start in the playoffs was last year and his epic win at the twenty tour championship that sort of set the stage for his win at the masters this year that win moved him into a tie with rory mcilroy dustin johnson for the most wins during the playoff since they debuted which was in two thousand seven. The three repairs are combined for a twenty five percent of the playoff events contested today and we're going to show you live pictures right now. Tiger woods as he is on the course and we will bring michael collins into the conversation because michael as you saw there has been following tiger around liberty national this morning good morning michael collins. What have you seen. How is tiger looking this morning. You see tiger walking off right now but he told me before he said <hes> oh here. We would have been around this morning what i said. What should i tell everybody he goes. Tell him i'm on the t. but he was supposed to be on t. at seven and there was a delay so he didn't get out on the t. till seven thirty so he was lying about seeing on the t. Here's what i've seen for tigers so far today. It's as simple as this. <hes> it is a pro-am there are three guys playing with it from the northern trust and and it's been just like this when it comes down to it. He's been hitting the ball pretty good. Yesterday he played a practice round with brooks kapka dustin johnson and <unk> harold varner the third and they had a lot of fun out there. Those guys play ten holes tiger hit a pretty good. The funny story was sarah varna. The third started the day and said i'm just gonna hit it by tiger. So you're like a iron pipe and tiger said i'm a hammer and hammer beats pipe. Every time and varner never hit a pass them. He thought he did want and said. I got you on that one. I got you on now and i've been working out and harrow garner that there's caddy do him under the bus and said man. You worked out two days. Which of course it does. The johnson brooks let a couple ago and when they let their drives go even how varner that there was a. I think they got both of tiger. I think they gotta pass this so far tigers. There's just hit it okay. He hasn't hit spectacular to be honest with you because there was a delay. The range was opened late. So tiger looks a little bit stiff like he hasn't gone through his full warmup warmup routine. He said a couple balls left. Enwright came up short with an iron shot from the middle of the fairway so it looks like he's just slowly but surely trying to get warmed up but that's what pro-am i am days four right yeah super-quick michael. You've been white on with us when we had you on before the british open and we drowned before the p._j. Both times you said don't expect much from him. Give me a rundown here. What do we expect from him in these playoffs this well let me start. Let's just start with this week. It's real easy for this week my prediction for tiger this week he's gonna fall fall outside the top ten but i think he can be inside the top twenty five and the reason that i say that is because the forecast for this week is for temperatures to be in the mid eighties every single day which means tiger won't have trouble warming his back up and it also means. You don't have to worry about getting stiff during the rounds. Hopefully this'll be a good week for tiger. We'll be watching and we get these playoffs underway earlier than in years past as they have a new schedule on the p._g._a. Tour so well done michael enjoyed out there. Stay safe tigers coming at you and we will see you a little but later in the program his pen back adam. Thank you michael collins. We'll see in a little bit. Meanwhile coming up here. Can jalen hurts make it. A heisman has been hatrick at oklahoma. At least one of our analysts has big concerns about that team for this coming year we will check in retailer his there and we'll the rams suffering super bowl hangover and how about the team that beat them any controversial and have seen championship game. You've got questions. We've got answers. It get up on e._s._p._n. I get up is brought to you by advil. You'll ask what pain with advil and by t. t- mobile now connecting ninety nine percent of americans t. mobile america's network guys see this my favorite athlete of all time right. This second is baker baker mayfield he spent time after practice was over yesterday signing autographs and after they even said the autograph session was over he stayed out there and signed autographs and took pictures with with every military member who was in attendance long after the allocated time sometimes it is the simplest acts like these that can make the biggest difference well done. Baker mayfield any field meanwhile speaking of him. He was one of the last two heisman winners right so he won the heisman playing it oklahoma and then collar murray won the heisman playing it oklahoma and here here. Is this morning's trivia question true or false. The heisman trophy winner has never tailed from the same program in three straight years pretty simple question. The the answer is next. You're watching guetta on e._s._p._n. Jeremy geico presents. Thanks another voicemail from your roommate shepard me. Hey a piper in the basement completely flooded anyway. I call for someone to fix it but in the meantime i was thinking the league finally have that indoor pool party. We always wanted i got some cooler swan floaty things already go and could you pick up some chips on your home later. 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Has it ever happened for true or false. It hasn't happened before so that means. This question would be true and guess what you had a fifty fifty shot and you got it right. There have been four previous instances where the heisman came from the same school in two consecutive years. It has never come from the same place three straight years with jeremy followers on the show we will have maria taylor live from norman and just a few minutes meanwhile right now. Let's get back to the n._f._l. Because right now on e._s._p._n. Dot com our bill. Barnwell has an article in which he predicts the five n._f._l. Teams he thinks will decline this coming year meaning their record. This season will be worse than it was was a year ago ryan. I will list those teams and you tell me if you agree or disagree. This team is going to be worse. We start with dallas. They won ten games last year. Will they decline. They will not decline so i disagree right here because i think they'll be about the same there will be attending sixteen. Amari cooper has another year to work with deck prescott. We saw with that. A defense could do last year but this is all contingent owned zeke elliott being in the lineup ezekiel elliott either getting a deal done or showing up because this offense runs runs through him but amari cooper and dak prescott worked well toward the end of the season because they knew they had the play action pass from hezekiah elliott defense that was running sideline. The sideline knocking heads off for what it's worth i agree with you disagree with the premise how about this the saints thirteen and three will decline. I agree that they would decline listen. It doesn't mean that the saints are going to be big to win thirteen games as a very difficult thing to do but now alvin kamara is by himself. Even though you pick up murray the mark ingram album chimera is no more you look late in the season drew brees you can see that arm being a little awesome throws not having the velocity on the ball and when you lose to minnesota the way you did in los angeles the way you did in the last two years off the time takes its toll on here's the other los angeles team chargers they twelve and four will they decline. They absolutely will decline and it doesn't mean that this team won't be good but if you watched him down the stretch last season when they finished against the new wieland patriots philip rivers looked like he didn't know what was going on for a veteran quarterback and the way that the defense was torched both on the run and the past this team was was one game away from representing the a._f._c. west as the division champion. They won't be there this year and then we'll see if they're able to gordon camp next up the dolphins who were seven and nine. Do you agree. They will decline any team that has a quarterback controversy or competition were ryan fitzpatrick this point of his career. He's the guy you know that they're in trouble. Josh rosen and you can't even list them as one eight in one b. We saw the quarterback carousel in tampa bay. I looked for this to to be very similar brian floor raising your coming over from bill belichick coaching tree. It's very hard to instill discipline and that organization in in year one they'll struggle and finally your favorite team the rams they were thirteen and three. Do you agree. They will decline watch how i say something good while agreeing with this so mcvay he is a genus so mcveigh understands and he knows he needs todd gurley at the end of the season and eleven and five fifteen within healthy unhealthy todd gurley is better than thirteen and three team without show mcveigh will understand that he won't run him into the ground. They'll make sure they win. The games. They need could be there present with an opportunity to represent the n._f._c. in a super bowl. That's outstanding. I love that you were able to argue both sides of the argument saying that facetiously well done. It's a very very good piece bill barnwell on e._s._p._n. Dot com check it out. Meanwhile more football. Let's talk about one of our seas. Former teams no bigger offseason storylines for the steelers of course then the loss of a._b. Bell duo accumulated the second most scrimmage yards miami duo in their first five seasons as teammates only marshall faulk torry holt ever ever had been rothlisburger is the last standing killer bees. He's got a two year extension. He led the league in passing yards and interceptions last year then a very good draft. They got that guy among another devin bush tenth overall the team's first top ten defensive selection since rod woodson in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven that obviously turned out very well so after all of that our football power index gives the steelers a forty six percent chance to make the playoffs sounds like a fairly low number to me. Mike tomlin has missed the playoffs in consecutive ears just once in his tenure steelers head coach they of course did not make it last year in germany. You have been around the steelers as much as literally anyone over the last few years so what makes this. This year's camp different from recent sees. It is quiet. I sense relief. I mean for six to eight months. All they heard was when bell coming back. What's the deal with antonio. Brown is is there you know issues in the locker room and so right now they're saying hey we got our edge back. We can focus solely on football. It's very quiet. It's boring around there at saint vincent college which is exactly what what they want and ben rothlisberger saying all the right things that it's going to be hard to replace antonio brown but make no mistake privately. This is a guy who wants to get it done knows the onus is directly on him him and he wants to show the steelers but he can do how much pressure has an excellent question. They posed on the screen. How much pressure do you believe is on ben rothlisberger r._c. With all the things that have happened around him. I believe all the pressure is on rosberg. This is the guy who's a future hall of famer. He's a two time superbowl champion but a lot of chatter coming out of pittsburgh ather antonio tony o'brien left when levy on bell left was about being leadership about bins relationship with the team. No one is questioning whether or not been rothlisburger can't play football. They're they're questioning whether or not he can lead and he will have to lead this team of young players in a team that doesn't have the stars outside of him so it's going to be on the the right guy in the locker room also the right guy on the field and we just talked about the almost unprecedented production that they are trying to replace but it does beg the question. Steelers are an organization organization about winning championships. They never won with levy on bell and brown together with ben. Does that feel like a bit of a disappointment to you. It is a disappointment right you think when you have guys who are that that prolific actually historic you believe that you should have capitalized on that but it was levian bells health it was also this defense not being able to to hold leads or hold jacksonville jaguars who couldn't score points two years ago under forty and so now you go out and get devon bush early in the draft. You get justin lane in the third round. Who's a guy that could be opposite of joe haden. You're expecting too young safeties better. This team is trying to be built great down the middle again and and it has to be a return of the steel curtain to kinda help you with the loss of levy on bill in antonio brown two thousand seventeen they dropped the ball because they had those three healthy and jacksonville bloom out of the building forty forty two in the playoffs but since then they've learned from that i have seen change just ben rothlisberger has tried to relate teammates more to several players who said he has been on point this offseason trying to talk to guys be more of a leader in that defense devon bushy mentioned him. You see the speed immediately out on that field. I think there will be several changes with this. It seems almost impossible to imagine imagine that addition by subtraction could apply to players as prolific and as great as antonio brown said was quiet. When i was a part of this organization it was about about football when you were at saint vincent's college. It was about being a better football team being a closer football team and coming together with one goal and that goal was to win the super bowl. Finally the pittsburgh steelers can get back to that all right. We'll do much more football as we go this morning. I'm choked up just the thought of it but right. Now let us run. The bases assist. Yesterday was my birthday. Today we say happy birthday to mike trout who turns twenty eight years old and celebrated a little early. He hit his thirtieth home run of the season last night. He's now just it's three away from his career high of forty one what an extraordinary player he is and we'll talk more about him and where he is in his career at this young age coming up shortly meanwhile meanwhile the cardinals are chasing down both the central leading cubs and a wildcard spot but they didn't get any help from clayton kershaw last night. Kershaw was terrific. One run in seven innings was he struck out nine. The dodgers still have ridiculously in the national league while the cardinals are two and a half out of the central and half a game back in the wildcard speaking of the national the league wildcard. How about the mets. They continue their hot streak. They've won five in a row. They've won twelve out of thirteen pete alonzo in the middle of all of it his thirty thirty six home run of the season that wheeler threw eight shutout innings a five nothing win for the mets yesterday as they continue to close in on the national league wild al card look at these wild card standings. The phillies lose to the diamondbacks for the mets are just a game and a half out of the second wildcard spot. They were seven games out during the all star break and there is still a lot of season left roughly fifty games remaining in the regular season for the teams in major league baseball on wednesday night tonight. You'll we'll get to see several of them. Two of the top sluggers in the national league on e._s._p._n. Christian yelich leading the brewers against josh bell the pirates in a series finale at p._n._c. park at seven seven eastern tonight on e._s._p._n. Gobbling up. We brought it up earlier. Can they make it a heisman hatrick. Enorm- can jalen hurts do something that no in college football program has ever done before. We're heading there live with maria taylor. Van and trevor are two of college football's biggest stars. Is it time for them to get paid it. One coach says yes that story next get on e._s._p._n. In <music> we're ready and we hope you are oklahoma in the spotlight right now on get up sooners coming oppa season in which they said an f._b._i. Reckon with eight point six yards. They led the nation in scoring. They led the nation in yards per game a year ago their offense power them to the college football playoff for the third time in five years. They're still the only big twelve school ever to reach the college. Playoff and the offense of course was led by kotler alert murray who became the second straight oklahoma quarterback to win. The heisman baker mayfield at one at the year before they both went number. One in the draft does well murray is gone but oh you found another another transfer and this time it's a name you know of course jalen hurts would love to make oklahoma the first school ever to win a heisman in three consecutive seasons seasons oh and look at the taylor road trip which is if you follow them on social. Media looks like it is much too much fun for anyone handle. We are joined now by maria taylor live in norman oklahoma oklahoma this morning and maria. Let's talk about jalen hurts for a moment because i know i have some disagreement on my set as to what the expectations are for him. What are the people inside the program saying about about his fit create. Expectations are high. Jalen hurts was forty one and three at alabama. He's still holds the record caressing rushing touchdowns at twenty three his skill set certainly fits what lincoln riley f- capable of what we've seen from coach riley is that he's going to take the strength of any quarterback that he works swick and build an offense around them. He's not afraid to make changes to make sure that his offense works but let's be clear. Lincoln riley has made it very obvious that he wants it to remain a quarterback competition until he deems his start an and i feel as though he wants to do that throughout camp whether it's a competitive advantage she doesn't want houston their first opponent to know exactly what was going to be taking the first snap <hes> but that's the decision that he's made and obviously that quarterback competition will breathe competitive nature and edge and no one right now is assuming that he will take the first snap but obviously that would be the expectation. That's the only one season here at oklahoma right and of course it's a it's a conference where people joke defense is somewhat optional. They have a new defensive coordinator in oklahoma this year. What are the expectations from their new d. Okay well. You can just go up right last season oklahoma one the hundred and second and total defense and alex is taken over now he can't from ohio state but what you need to know about him is what he did at washington state when he arrived there in ninety ninth in total defense offense by the time he left for ohio state they were sixteenth in total defense was the washington state team. We came to know and love and talk a lot about last season so those are the kind of turnarounds that he is expected begged to make and right now the words that is just about a mentality and a laser focus. They're building a lot of competition on the defensive side of the ball as well and obviously that new blood new mm sound sometimes and a locker room meeting room. We've seen it before in college football. How much of a difference that can make in one season and remember oklahoma scored more points on george alabama in there in the college football football player than anyone else that season so imagine if they had a defense to compliment that what it could mean for this team greenie absolutely so well done marie give holly high five keep having fun safe travels and we will see you when you get back here thank you. Thanks gaining all right. There's maria taylor with us. Let me bring in david pollock to the conversation looked areas. David pollick is with us. Acho choke is here and david. I want to start the conversation with you here. We heard a few thoughts on jalen hurts. What are your expectations for him. In his one year in norman lincoln riley right i mean lincoln riley we know is going to coach in get high production. I don't expect anything close to baker mayfield and what you saw from colin murray year they both had the ability to throw the ball down the field and do it at a high level and look sweet doing it. I mean they just and another thing to this oklahoma offense last year. Four guys on the office of line got drafted in the top five rounds and gals football so i think this offense will take a step backwards. I think jalen is a is a phenomenal runner. I think you'll you'll see him. Run the football a lot. I think they'll use the close passing game the quick game and if he develops throughout the season and his touch gets better you'll start to see more deep shots the cd land but this offense is not going to be near what you saw with colin murray and baker mayfield at that unstoppable lousy folic. Let's talk about this. Though do you think it's the scheme. Where do you think it's the players because we've seen this oklahoma offense do this for over a decade way into the early bob stoops years. I think it's kind of plug and chug obviously you're talking about alpha's and cuyler and baker but i don't really see much of a drop off with hurts at the helm plugging. I understand what you're saying but also the first two picks in the draft of the first picking the draft the last two years and their ability to throw the ball while moving and changing platforms with superhuman. That's not normal and remember when lincoln riley came. I'm back rejuvenated this offense taking a dip a little bit from from the past but i think those guys were special man. I think those guys don't get enough credit for what they were able to listen. Collar murray also had more juice than jalen hurts did running the football they like he couldn't just throw it. He also could run it as well so i just and again you're asking this insane. Pain level of productivity of five hundred plus yards and forty eight plus points a game to continue. I don't see that happening. I do think though what maria talked about as important understand understand. I think their defense will be better. I think it might look a little bit different this year but you're not gonna get the same level of production. You've got the last couple years with baker encounter. We talked this morning about the heisman hat trick. It's never happened before. Could it happen here. Do you think jalen hurd says a really good chance to win the heisman. I think it could happen because politicians disagree with you a little little bit. I think the oklahoma offense is really what moves the system. I think you have cuyler who was a freak. Athletically you have baker who started off at tech and then really ascended when he got to <hes> oklahoma but jalen hurts we remember twenty six and two of the starter went in and one that when it won that championship game against georgia. I don't know if people give him enough credit because because he also has the championship pedigree he's not only been there like the sooners have he's been there and been on teams that have won the big one. I think he might take them over the hump and if he does that you you have to put them in the heisman race david. I hear what you're saying. I understand that would give you the reason for him to win the heisman but the numbers aren't. I don't think the numbers will be as gotti as we've seen in the past two. You're going to get to and trevor lawrence for starters. That's too that we know are going to be there and put up stupid ridiculous number so i i think he'll be a a guy that will be in the conversation but i i also think that losing four offensive linemen up front they got drafted the national football league. We'll take a toll. I think that it's it's gonna take time to develop not only not only jalen going to have to get used to this system. It's going to take the offensive line time to get used to playing real college football that they haven't had to do. The past passed several years so i'm not i'm not as gun hose you but i i like. I like your enthusiasm all right. David stay with us. We're going to get back to you a little later in the program. We'll do some more college football and other issues so thank you very much again. We'll come back to david pollack but i wanted to bring this up here and i want to get our seebeck in on it as well. Randy edsall is the head football coach at uconn as he he prepares to lead them into another season. He made a very interesting statement about we're college. Football is and what the definition of student athlete really means. This is what he said that bear in mind. This is the head coach at a division program. He said the n._c. Double a. They run these commercials about student athletes. It ain't a student anymore. It's just athlete. We've started to get senators. Congressman commend involved. I think it's inevitable at some point in time when it is. I don't believe i know but i really believe it's going to happen. The it's talking about is paying college college athletes. You guys were both very very good college athletes and obviously went on and play professionally but what do you think of a big time college coach at a major program saying this this is coming. I think it's about time i think it's about time that they get some of those coaches behind them. Obviously players have already tried to start building. Some hype behind on this players have already tried to get this done. Former players have gotten involved in spoken out but we never had a coach say at a division one type program now now if we had a bigger say right if there's more coaches that can follow the statement. I believe that it helps the players but i'm around a lot of these young people a lot of at the time and there's so much to do there so many things that they have and so many responsibility placed on them as football as basketball as all of these. These things are concerned that it isn't just student athlete. It's almost professional athlete and you have to perform in the classrooms as well right. I'm gonna take it a step further and say n._c. Aa lay stop the ingredient. That's what it comes down to stop being greedy. I look at daboh. He's making ninety three million dollars over ten years. I look at jim harbaugh what he has to take his team to rome to france to to south africa just paid the players as simple as that. You have a talk greeny. You have players at texas. They would make more than six hundred thousand dollars if they were play. I paid players at alabama would make over five hundred thousand dollars a year and it's not just the top programs on average business. Insider says one hundred twenty nine thousand would be what the average college football player would be making. That's it's more than a scholarship. That's more than a scholarship. Check them. Can you also very quickly without necessarily using any names. Tell the story that you told me this morning of what coaches would sometimes say to you when you were a place like so when i was a player culture pulled me off to the side like man i wish i could play like i'm all for paying the players and that sounds good in privacy of a meeting but you need a coach a stand on a podium step in front of cameras and say you know what y'all do deserve some money because they do. I mean ninety three mill green but you know what though it's exactly like we talk about with these contracts situations and to have a coach comes to you in a meeting and say i believe you're worth this is different than standing on the table for you and saying this player deserve first this amount of money and they need coaches step up for these kids. Don't understand there are some intricacies to it because not every sport is a revenue earning sports specifically football basketball and there's some programs baseball understand title nine does play a factor. I'm not being ignorant to that aspect but let's have the conversation. That's all i. I've said many times. I think paying players ears salary is a very complicated endeavor. I think that releasing some of the other constraints amateurism as we know them name likenesses that sort of thing is a no brainer. I can't believe it's been allowed this long. That's the first one that i think would fall. We'll take a short time. We'll do much more in this as we go coming up on get up after to one episode aired last night. We'll take a closer look at the potential impact of having hard knocks cameras following on the rates back in a moment get up on e._s._p._n. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting doll living most of her life in the dark inside the other nesting dolls. He has plenty of time to think if we could sadly she has no brain however in most nesting doll here's the geiko not only saves people money but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. 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GOP Exodus: Rep. Will Hurd's surprise retirement is big, bad news for the party
"Welcome to the live from meet the press. I'm Mark Murray. It was April twenty eighteen when it became name crystal clear to me. The Democrats were the strong favorites to win control of Congress in the midterms what happened in April. Well House Speaker Paul Ryan announced he wouldn't seek reelection which sent political shockwaves through Washington and last night we received another pretty clear assigned about the battle for control of Congress in twenty twenty when moderate Republican will hurt of Texas said he wouldn't seek reelection making him the six. And now the most high-profile Republican to announce his or her retirement in the last two weeks bottom line when the presidential contest still it looks like a jump Ball Democrats appear to be on track to retain control of the house although we still have nearly a year and a half to go for one thing Democrats in the driver's seat to win herds district twenty twenty especially with Gina Ortiz Jones who narrowly lost to hurt last year already running for the seat after Hurd's announcement the Cook Political report is moved the race from toss up to Lean Democrat and remember in Twenty Sixteen Hillary Clinton carried this district which stretches Russia's from San Antonio to the southwest border and if Democrats win the seat next year it makes it that much harder for the G._O._p.. Congress currently Republicans need to flip eighteen seats to take control and losing her seat raises that magical number nineteen but the news I've heard announcement is about so much more than just control of Congress. It eliminates diversity for the G._O._P.. Given that heard was the sole Obama Susan Brooks of Indiana and now we'll heard of Texas. All of them wouldn't be confused with trump in temperament or on some key policies and these Republicans parachuting out of the Republican Party underscored just how vulnerable president trump and the Republican party are despite the growing economy the fewer we'll herds running in two thousand twenty even if they were already an endangered species the fewer non trump republicans and moderate voters would easily go to the polls for these representatives resentatives and still hold their nose and vote for president trump so the Republican party is getting smaller and smaller whether it's Paul Ryan leaving like he did last year her or now will heard that's good for us. We'll be back next week. If you'd like to hear more this free podcast you can download us on your favorite podcast APP.
"Welcome to another highly questionable week. This guy i over here is is e gutierrez again. I didn't mean to say that again so poisonous lee. What do you like on the show today is. I was worried about our country at ten a._m. This morning fortunately we're okay okay. No we're not okay. We're still embarrassed winning. Buy one get outta here. Valid poppy jerry jones regret giving seekie the f._b._i. Contract alright his name zeke nut zeki. Jerry jones turned seventy seven years old next month for all this talk about disposable running backs. You can make the argument. His window will close faster than zeke elliott's window. His team has won three playoff games in the last two decades. All of them wild card games. They need this guy in order to make amari cooper and dak prescott better. You're not just getting ezekiel elliot here. You're getting a dak prescott. Who fumbles less you get an amari recouping who is going to be more effective because of the threat of zt. You're basically paying this money to keep your offense being better than needed to do this. No matter what you're basically talking about of two conversations now the long-term with zeke elliot and whether they're mortgaging the future by giving a running back a good amount of money and the conversation it's happening for the right now and that's probably the die hard dallas cowboys fans because we can get back to talking about what this team is what their potential is whether they can win the super bowl with this and if they make it i don't know two or three three n._f._c. title games over the next five six years if they make one single super bowl appearance. This was absolutely worth it but it's not until after we find this out whether we know jerry jones is gonna take a different tack when it comes to running back negotiations in the future. It's super interesting for the dow's cowboys. You're saying hey we're right there with the rams eagles and saints all those teams right now. He's team u._s._a. Victory over a turkey something to celebrate. They're gonna end up embarrassing us. I don't know how this team is favored. It should not be serbian coaches talking trash saying when we play well. We've got a player better than any player that they have and may god help them. They needed missed. Free throws from turkey in order to advance to this game. They needed help on a bailout. Call at the end and jason tatum got hurt in order to get the free throws to get the game into overtime. You're sitting here struggling battling against somebody named baba. The turkey team is not supposed to be one of the great teams in this tournament. There are better teams than i believe that this team is going to end up losing using and embarrassing us. I mean it was embarrassing already with a victory. I mean turkey chope. They had to choke away. Miss multiple free throws in overtime for the u._s. To win this and this is what it looks like people talk about the depth of the u._s. Okay that's all fine but when you basically only have two players per offensive possession that touch the ball or are a factor than it really takes away your depth when only got kemba walker possibly jason tatum in a pick and roll taking a shot at it eliminates everybody else on the other end. You've got a guy said he osman woman who not even regular nba fans no one on one against miles turner in a simple pick and roll situation where they got the switch and he takes them to the whole for an an one in the n._b._a. That is a desired situation. It's just uncomfortable to watch a team. That's talented but doesn't use it all against teams that are better with chemistry and or going to beat the u._s._a. They will lose a game in this tournament. That was the craziest finished a what what other finish was crazier than that greece and brazil in all. He swatted the free throw because you're allowed to do that. Yeah i love flags just by flicking her flicking the ball away erica. That's not allowed. Jilin hurts being held back by three gimmicky. Really that's the way we're gonna do this. We're not going to celebrate. The lincoln. Riley has a way of producing heisman. He's been winners look. I don't know when you don't know how good or bad houston is at defense. Dana holders in teams tend to be pretty bad at defense but jalen hurts looked like a different quarterback with the spread offense and being able to do things in the open field where he's able to complete all but three of his passes any russia's for more yards than he ever has rush foreign a game and he's simply because of offensive scheme looks like the best athletes on the field and a field that is wide open. He's being used differently and use differently enough enough that it made the alabama offense that utilize tim look kind of prehistoric by comparison regardless of the opponent. You're supposed to look rusty in the first game. You're supposed look like hey you need some more practices or this should be a preseason game. He looked polished. He'd look dare. I say perfect but the thing is this. Isn't the jalen hurts. That was a freshman l. alabama. He is clearly gotten better. He has developed and he left there because the guy who's projected to be the number one picking the draft is now the quarterback there if jalen unhurt slightly worse than that if he's a top ten pick a first round pick in oklahoma's offense. He is going to look spectacular so i expect a lot more of this and probably a heisman trophy for tweaking niki. The truth hurts you got it. Wow got got it pretty. Quick joe bad there. He was asking whether you got it before he even finished the joke so jenner had five hundred yards and six touchdowns against houston john huston. We have parolin you get it. Wow very quick. He gets to the you get very quickly. If you don't get it quickly he's going to tell you didn't get it. I think that jalen hurd wishes he had transferred to oklahoma sooner you get it. Oh god i mean if he had done it sooner. I wish he had done you get it later. Did the text us get fleas by seahawks. They got fleas by david clowney who took a cue from john bell and decided to dictate the terms on his leverage he wanted to be in seattle and they didn't have much introvert choice and so they ended up giving him up for two little and then afterward they have to make the kind of trades to compensate for the fact that you must protect the shawn watson in this season so nobody looks at this and says anything other than the texans gave up too much and they're in windham moat at a time that most of us don't think that they're good good enough to win now mode at so funny about the texans. I'm glad you bring that up because it seems like for years they've been in win now. Mode win. Nobody else thinks they should be remember. Brock osweiler wiler. Hey he's going to be the guy oh yeah get rid of him right away. Dwayne brown was another weird thing. They got left tackle in their hands. It didn't okay go ahead and go to the seahawks and now they've messed this jadeja david clowney thing up probably because they don't have g._m. To tell them how to handle it and frankly they seem pretty set to be a good team a team. You could argue and win. Their division possibly come out out of the a._f._c. if they get on a roll late in the season but do they seem like a well organized team. Do they seem like a team. That's got everything together or that has a plan. These traits better workout for them this year because if disappointed big time you could see them blowing this thing up because nobody's managing this well. There are two things here that bear noting when you lose cloudy one is that you make j._j. Watt a lot better by having cloudy and to is this was the best rushing defense in the league last year and it was that because cloudy is very good at run defense. You might not like his sack numbers even though he is a menace but you have to love the way that he stopped running was a question coming out of college. It's not a question anymore that front seven in seattle is going to be a menace oh now j._j. Watt these in front of theus spotlight again. He's going to make it happen buddy. We tout clowney. He's going through. We demand of the hour. He's going to make it happen. He's going to get the top of the top of a hill. There's a hill to make these tough all right. He's telling you it's been a little hill. He's gonna make it tough on the other side of that little hill it's go j._j. Father told you that's right okay and he agrees with himself. Jerry would though don't shop any would okay. This is just the ramblings of an old man at this point all right the dolphins thanking too har- it is rare that you see this this overtly and football and yet they did the right thing thing because this team wasn't gonna win very much the way it was constructed so of course you get picked for the future but if the producers would be kind enough to put the special section of the miami herald pulled up here so that people can see oops. There's laremy tunsil. He's no longer on this team and also if you could put up the calendar of the miami dolphins they've got twelve months in a year eight months have been traded and are no longer on the team so the dolphins are doing this in a way. You just don't normally see in this sport. They're gonna be really bad and they're going to we really bad on purpose even though their coach is saying hey we're not taking. They're going to try really hard with bad player. I mean it's a team that tried really hard to win and was really good at losing thing but now they're becoming too good at losing. It's laughable to even criticize them. The owner stephen ross said earlier that he doesn't want to do things the same way he's not going to fill gaps with high priced free agents and think that they have something special here because they don't so they've stripping it down and next year you're talking about a team that projects to have six picks in the first three rounds sounds and over one hundred and ten million dollars in salary cap space. This could be very quick rebuild. They have to lose a lot and get to from alabama as their quarterback in in order to really get people excited. This is the way you do it and this is the way you do it quickly but go on the internet right now and check out their depth chart. I'll give you a second in order to do that. Look what they have at the two tackles. They don't have to starting tackle. They've only got backup tackles. They're headed for the first game of the season and they don't have many tackles thing edge. Hello oh they're cheater cheater computer. What's going on buddy. You did office mike mole that they're getting rid of the place cutting payrolls to the bond and that's a hell of a move. That's right there. In december no sweat uh-huh sway. Let us know coming up next on my son stevie show. I don't know if it's an actual but here he is and i love it. When the penalty flags come raining down here in the middle of this uh technology truth brought to you by geico truth teenagers can communicate entirely emojis how why bob birthday party dislikes kitten soccer ball pineapple truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. What are are you talking about. Paperclips shoulder shrug high five wizard hat. What goco fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more to play the game that guy really nervous when he so pat rowdy trending on twitter. Do you question like betty white situation. These days isn't it you give us. The topic in events like aladdin that was strange freezes coaching. This is so wonderful. Oh keep in mind who freeze was out of football for a couple of years the vacated thirty three victories and mississippi did not deter him from coming back this way where he's in a hospital bed after a staph infection coaching at liberty and here's him trying to talk to his team from the press box via video a team it should be noted that scored zero zero points they would have scored that many points if you freeze and stay nozzle in the hospital but here's your phrase trying to motivate his troops from the press box in the early on it today told our kids at the hotel earlier you know i. I don't think i've ever cried as much during a fall campus. I have this one as you take a look use. These coach stress out there a unique situation to say the least is he's doing everything he can't be in two walkout towards midfield let up to a he doesn't really need to come laughter suffices doesn't it do you question if this was unsportsmanlike conduct. I love mascots. Ascot's i think mascots make everything better and you tell me. Do you think that this game between jackson state and bethune cookman jackson state scored. A touchdown was made better by the mascot who should not have been penalized for this jones. Does we don't know actual keratin but here he is and i love it. When the penalty flags come raining down here in the middle of this of course that look i've. I have never been a mascot but i assume they tell you if the referees are still stay away tiger day. It looks like he's trying to figure out who's got the ball in kumble's. What if you look. I don't care about your fifty yards about you. Eat some of this well. That moscow lasko was pretty good but that's even better. Oh have you no way mascot. Montages are wonderful asli with them. Take me back to this week in baseball georgia oh what was on. They're always looks like that was not on that oh corridor. This is just flaming cheese. This is just fond du imperil all that the head these combing. We're not covering the big games in college football this week in very well but we're covering the little one's pretty well. You've got saint. Frances france's ear involved in a game against lehigh and the punter here drops. The ball punter dropped the ball bad. Oh you god here god. The violence of that was unpleasant. Take fifty two years. Anybody deserves that. Let's see it again from another wrangled. Thank you that is clearly as you can hit another human being right there. You're thinking yourself. How does this get worse once. I've dropped it the first first time. How does it get worse. Oh i'm going to drop it a second time but it can't get worse than this right and oh yes. It can't get worse after you've dropped it the second time because you can hit by that and then it can't get worse than that. Oh yes it can hear that go all of them in the other direction with the football you're on your back fighting for your breath and that's the sound you hear everyone roaring bring because the ball's ended the other way of punters worst nightmare come true. It couldn't have been any worse than that well. At least he didn't get hit by sean taylor. Oh wow we're going back into the way back. File man pro bowl. Pro bowl has a need to leave your feet there. They change changed all the rules of the pro bowl. After that question i believe from the hotel beautiful south beach miami time to again that these so happy that we are only a few games away from football yeah see own on on a few days away games. That's okay you tell us what to watch on television tonight. We'll tell you were intriguing. Baseball games away on sports net l._a. Rockies in dodgers. The dodgers are really good. They scored sixteen runs yesterday there ninety victories already but let's make fun of one of their bam fans. It comes to the park here with a gloves. Come to the park. Ball is hit right to you. Listen you are filled with shame if you've come with a glove. You have to make that cash. Oh oh but at least you're not louis world going home with camouflage cargo shorts. This is not just the glove the personalized jersey the cammo cargo shorts mad. Your life is bob. You're you and treating both because you know we specie for roka's deny kyw gone silas and that guy even though history so on six go. He has an era of about nine tonight. He's with the nine at this point to win a big game for iraqis so i'm going to be watching chichi not even the biggest game but his name is chichi gonzales. My father just wanted to say that close tonight on e._s._p._n. The u._s. open. I know many of you are rooting for federal and the doll not this guy over here. I've got a new favorite favorite this guy trolling the u._s. Open audience medvedev. Does this masterfully look at this where he's just making fun of these people for not rooting for your first of all. I can say that thank you all guys because your energy tonight. Give me the win because if you're not here guys i would probably lose the match because i was so tired. I was cramping yesterday for sorta to play so i want all of you to know so when you sleep tonight i want because of you and there's giving me right now. Guys is i think it will be an awful my five next matches. I mean the more you do this for you. Guys thank you and playing really good on what i need to say again is that today i was losing sixty zero. I was paying fooling my addict or before the match. I thought i'm not going to play. I was painful in my shoulder. I as much painkillers as i could and you guys being against me. You gave me so much. Energy kareen thank you much pink is there you intrigue absolutely listen if i'm a foreign born born tennis player male tennis player. I'm going to troll at the u._s. Open why because one american male is going to challenge. There's nobody out there. That's good enough. This guy's a genius stop all c._c. Intriguing i got an idea about it. You play doubles with nick couriers. They'll never still blowing boondi cord in the street. Take taxi cab when you go store. You don't when you buy clothing. When you buy milk on your skin that'd be over the place but nick korea korea you gotta do. That's right do today on h._b._o. Joe the shop. My father excited this email. This is the lebron show. I think he might have forgotten that. It was a lebron show sure otherwise you'd be totally forgot. Let's see what we have here. I saw grunk out in town i. I said there's no way he's gonna play sunday's social anxiety. I live downtown in cleveland. I didn't even go outside. The whole year not treated like a superstar in that organization not even brady brady with all that early success. You felt it was important to make an announcement for me doing this. While you're at the top you know is like real like you didn't obviously grow up in the hood first of all. I'm pieces so okay. It's good easy idea for content ten. Get a bunch of people together talking. Get well kevin hart easier you intrigue absolutely. It's a brilliant show. Rob gronkowski still looks thirty pounds heavier there then he does right now is just getting skinny at a crazy rate us like a polar bear walking the arctic. They're unable to find food bopper. You intrigue c._c. Entreat that choice like the playoff. If they growing didn't make where was he didn't want to be anywhere where you find kevin. That's only whoever today and thank you for your. We'll talk to you again tomorrow same place you know if they said they'd be so league reinisch onto blend kevin long. Let's terrace. 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Hour 2: 5/3/19
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Accountable hard time NAN lately with all the fusion going on graduated. Plus out of all the Tae is gone embarrassing or you know, with all this will wait stuff going around. But last week. I heard John marking you saying some good things about LSU being BU and just want to tell you pray. She ate that. And coach, oh, maybe having a number one recruiting class and twenty twenty. So hopefully, everything goes to appreciate you taking my call. Thanks, dave. Thanks for joining us today. Charles up next. Also in Louisiana. Hello, charles. Charles you there. Charles not in charge. Mike and make in Georgia. Mike will answer the call. I promise, you know, this guy. Hey, I just want to reflect a little bit on the Georgia. Florida thing went all right now. And I've been traveling to that outdoor cocktail party since nineteen eighty largely rehear I go with two or three gator. Frizz these oh since college days anyway, make a long story short my ticket to Gators. I'm a dog I sit right in the middle of gator fans. So I've caught their abused through their best times. And believe me, they're nowhere near back being what they used to be as far as fan support band era this and so forth there still look it up amount of the rock. I don't care what they say. Based on last year the way they got thrashed by Missouri. And the way they lost to Kentucky. They may be hoping. But they're just not back. Why do you think they suddenly feel like the calendar is nineteen ninety six all over again? Well. Oh, I think a lot of it is Mullen. I mean, the the best out so and you're showing a long time was that that coach Mullen has Steve Spurrier's math, and we'll must champs trophy case. And so we've seen the mouth, and that's got a few of them riled up. But we haven't seen anything in a trophy case yet until we do they just need to pipe down a little bit and going back to be in the same Gators. They've been for the last four or five years. Thank you very much. Great to have you on Ray is in Florida. And you're next gerrad Ray. Yeah. Paul thing for me on. Thank you. I want to talk a little bit about the last caller and the close of into Ford in the Florida Gators like you said they're not back yet. I think a lot of people are delusional in the sense that they don't recognize the problems that Florida has and I'm Florida fan up in line last year, couldn't stop the run all and but they're everything else on their defense is pretty good. But I don't think three French is going to be the guy that takes them all the way where you think. Listen, I don't think he is a great quarterback. I think he's serviceable, and I do think it's all about Dan Mullen. I think he has a certain degree of era. This cockiness take your pick. What word you would like to insert? And I think he's he's done a really good job of firing up to forces. And when you win when you win the last game of the year in a major bowl, and you beat so power. It's going to make you feel really good. I agree with that the other thing I wanted to talk about valid in now. I started watching the show longtime. It was out of callers, we all ban, you know, a couple here. Now almost seven ten right now. No, Nick Sabin all last year was quite complacency in every year before that team because it's gonna get complacent Macedo. Last year was fighting the fans base in the school. Which is kind of you know, scary to me because I think last year they'd had Jalen Hurd starting. I think they want it all you and they play Georgia, and they put Jalen hurt in. And he they thought oh our albums back cower running and all that. And he threw the ball trick them or else. I think it's words you would have been the national champions where you think that? Yeah. I think you're right, right. Thank you for the call really good to hear from a Assane. Florida fan frito is up next in Florida frito. Paul. Hey, but we're doing great. Thank you. I just wanted to call and I wanted to mounts that I'm officially quitting Michaud as. You're you're the you're the first of the day beat what what? The rush. Yes. At avoided prison, fresh gyms. Country club. Gator Makita fan, and I just wanna say some decent things about Georgia. I mean, I hate losing to. But they've got something that we want. We just want to get better. And they're killing it right now there, I you know, I have no ill will guest except. I'd like to beat them once in a while. But I. I just I I wanna be what they have right now. And they're they're killing. Well, listen, I think. Florida's on the way back and Mullen. Has something to prove though. I think I think everyone just assumes that Dan Mullen is is urban Meyer two point. Oh needs to pause for just a moment. No. Yeah. They're they're on the upswing. I I'll give them that. And I just wanted to continue. We can't lose the Missouri. We can't lose the Kentucky. No. And that that just that just takes away the less, but I wanna wish the Georgia fans. Good luck this year and every every game they play except for when they play us that that's it. And I think that's it in that shell Paul. Thank you frito. Great to hear from you. Neal is up next in New York Ellendale. Hey, you Paul on talk to you. So I just wanted to give a major piece of contact to the fourteen thousand mean that went long yesterday made the rounds on Twitter throughout Instagram and Facebook, and I think the main thing that missing is. I don't think anyone who tweeted that out or as a part of that ever really claimed that Florida was Alabama has no insane. Florida's the best team in the nation. But the point is more to prove that Georgia isn't really in a position to be talking any kind of smacks either. And they are so yeah, I know they won the last two games. They're still they winning percentage against Florida over the last three decades. That's barely even good for batting though. The fact that they're talking smack. Maybe that's not just good idea. Either, you know, so we just wanted to Manila, let's let's be realistic here. And I have friends who are inside that program that are saying hold on a second some of the Mike Griffin's or griffis or the world or our way out on the precipice. But. Georgia has still accomplished a great deal in the last two seasons. They become an elite program they've won a title. They nearly one a national championship there. They're recruiting at a level that Georgia has not recruited at and memory. So I'm not I'm not sure how you can can can can do an apples for apples comparison right now between Florida and Georgia. But but I'm not trying to the point is that some Ardo. Well, I mean Neil calling up not not you, but others up and making fun of the fact Georgia hasn't won. And listen, this is coming from Dan Mullen. I'm not blaming some guy on Instagram. I mean, this is this is Dan Mullen started this. Okay. I know it I can attest to it. But that's not one who who is who has changed the culture down there from the the crazy uncle in the attic, which was Jim mcelwain. Two swashbuckler, Steve Spurrier, look alike. And and it's good. But you jump point you do have to back it up and last year there were some great moments LSU Michigan. But there were some just terrible moments as well. Of course, were but the larger point is that yes, it was thirty seventeen. But Florida was down. Brad, Stuart they were down market. I don't care about all that. I really don't Neil from the year before it was like forty four to seven. Listen. Don't don't don't compare yourself to Georgia until you beat Georgia Coppee she found. Yes. Listen, paul. I'm trying to plain know, what's your to do make yourself a yield better by denigrating Georgia. That's not really the way it works in this. Let me Georgia's already there Florida is trying to get there. They may be there and some preseason rankings, but they need to back it up. Do I think they can sure. But that's on the field. But we're talking about here is hot air. We are coming right back. More to come and your phone calls listening to Paul finebaum show podcast, Jake charters joining us and Jake. Let's let's talk about these fella ratings and first of all how do you? How do how do we come up with this stuff? Well, I enjoyed listening to the Florida fans call on your show while I was waiting to come on. That was good. Good stuff. There. The way we do. It is is everybody puts in their ballot. And the average it out and I actually had the same top six as the top twenty five. I think there's a clear divide between those top sixteen top sixteen. And then everybody else, I think like seven to thirteen seven fourteen you can make a case for a lot of different teams. I actually had your longhorns Paul at number seven. Woo. So Jake, what's talk about some of the interesting. Numbers Florida eight I think most of the other ones we can we can understand. And I'm not saying Florida isn't a good team. But how do you think we come up with this eight number that is really high? For me. I had Florida. I believe it ten and even then I felt and I don't know it seems a little high for me even there but gave him the benefit of the delve given what they accomplished last season. But I think I think LSU Florida. The Mississippi State ranking is kind of confusing to me given what they lost defensively and how much they struggled on the offensive side last season. So I think the SEC really when you talk about those three teams Texas ADM's kind of recoil preseason option. You have Auburn has been so up and down under Gus malzahn. I think the SEC when you look at these rankings it's kind of interesting conference because the rains for some of these teams. I mean, I can make a case for Florida all the way up to maybe seven. And then if you didn't wanna put Florida on your top fifteen I think that K two. Talking to Jae Crowder about the rankings. Again, it is may third these things can change and they will change Jacob as we look at the top. I mean, it's I mean, I know I know I know it's been Alabama in clips and the last two years. But I mean, there doesn't seem to it seems like they're getting even farther ahead of the rest of the pack. Does not. Yeah. There's a clear gab between two and three. I mean, Clemson Alabama and then to some degree. It's everybody else. Georgia Georgia three Oklahoma. Jalen hurts for I think really in Ohio State. I put in that tier two. You could really bring these rankings in tears, and there's there's a tear at the top two teams, and nobody else even as a case for that tier? And then I think you have the Georgia yet the Oklahoma the state, maybe Notre Dame. And then I think it seven to like twelve you have another tier and you go from there. But I mean, the the easiest. The easiest part of this ranking is one in two. I mean, it's Clemson it's Alabama. And then you worry about the rest, but I can't imagine. There was anybody who filled out a ballot didn't have Clemson one in Alabama two in that order, and quite frankly is there any real way, and doesn't doesn't doesn't matter. No. But is there any real way to differentiate the two right now other than what we saw in in early January. Yeah. That's all you have to go off. And I don't think you can project out Trevor Lawrence a little bit. You would think. Okay. Didn't play his entire first season. Got better was awesome in the playoff. You would think that with what they have coming back around him that he'll be even better. Don't always work out that way. But I think if you were projecting out what Trevor Lawrence could be this season other than going off the national championship game. That's how I can figure that rank. And this time of year, you mentioned it's may third what I'm trying to do power rankings or preseason polls. I look at two things primarily who's the quarterback. And what is the schedule, and I took schedule out of the equation for this particular ballot. But when it's close I always defer to who has the better quarterback. And that's why I like Texas in Oregon so much as I feel much better about what they have a quarterback than some of the teams who I had a little bit lower. Okay. Let me stop. You. Just brought up an interesting parallel here. We have Texas in Oregon Oregon plays Auburn plays LSU. First Auburn, we don't they don't have a quarterback. Mel John is narrowed the field from twenty four to two and they're both freshman, and they both look like can't miss, but. We're talking playing Oregon who has won two or the number one two or three best quarterback in the country coming back. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. NFL draft prospect top ten guy at least going into the season. I think it's a huge game for the Pac twelve I mean the Pac twelve desperately needs a marquee victory. I mean, you have to really go a long way back to find the last time that they'd be. And I don't even know that Auburn is necessarily that that, you know, it's not ala. Bama, it's not Georgia. But still that would be a nice win for the Pac twelve they had an opportunity last year in the opener fell short with Washington. So I think there's a huge game for for or the Pac twelve is a whole in terms of playoff reputation and right now I like Oregon just because I know what they have at quarterback. And you mentioned it's a older wild card. See what is going to have their replacing Jarrett's, and everyone loves Elvis you. I have not heard LSU fans this fired up in a long time last year. They didn't know what to make out of it. Got a good quarterback. But they take on Texas, which beatdown Georgia as you as you look at that game, many, many months of way, what do you see? Vegas right now has LSU as a favourite in Austin. And that that's me is the prize in line. I think I saw like three point favorite. I thought I would have thought Texas would have been favored given what favor given what they have coming back. What they showed in the George. Maybe wasn't motivated whatever I thought Texas was impressive in that game. And again, it's quarterback. I think Sam L anger is at top seven top eight quarterback in college football was one of only six quarterbacks in history of the FBI our five quarterbacks to I can't remember exactly what the number was. But it had a certain number of passing touchdowns rushing touchdowns divide and the other five guys one is been trophies. So I don't know that he's like a Heisman Trophy favorite. But if you were going to put him in that second tier after two Trevor Lawrence, I I wouldn't disagree with that. So in Austin Tom Herman's third season. Sam elegant quarterback. They have a lot of momentum. A lot of young talent. Because they've recruited so well, I like Texas in that game in you know, we're talking about the Pac twelve against Auburn. This is a huge game for the big twelve and this is their marquee non conference game this year. Oklahoma really doesn't play anybody that UCLA in Houston, Texas is an opportunity when the playoff committee is going to convene a November. They're gonna come back and look at this game. And look at who won. And if LSU wins this game that is going to be really bad, not just for Texas. But for the entire big twelve in terms of getting team in the playoff, Jake. We always ask you about Jalen hurts in Oklahoma. Because you spent a lot of time around their program seems like a lot of confidence coming out of spring. What did you learn? And what do you see happening as we get ready for the season? One play that sort of underscored the spring game. He scores a rushing touchdown. I think it was his last play of the spring game couple of weeks ago, and he gets the offense together to pose for a picture in the end zone, right then and there to which he said he would have never done it ala Bama with Nick Sabin that would've gone over very well. But it looks like he's really out on a lot of fun. The team has taken him to me just based on my outside observation he's the undisputed leader of that team right now, which is really interesting considering he's only been on campus three or four months now he looked terrific in the spring game. And he didn't really get a chance to run the ball much because of the no contact jersey. So there is a ton of optimism at Oklahoma about Jalen hurts and that offense CD ever Seaver and potentially the Sooners taken a step Ford defensively without scrunch here from Ohio State as the coordinator gross stuff. From Jake Trotter Jake comeback soon. We always appreciate it. Thanks, Paul Jake. Charter joining us, we'll get back to your calls. Eight five five two four to seven to eight five a lot to do on a Friday afternoon. You're listening to Paul finebaum show podcasts. Chris up next in Oklahoma. Just because we're talking a lot about Oklahoma. Chris nice of you to join us. Thank you. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. So you Paul. Hey, I was calling you. And I just wanted to preface my call with with just a little bit. I've got to get them off but shit. So I listen to you leading up to the college football playoffs bash. Mice owners, you gave us no chance to get Alabama. And I get it. I get it that first half is pretty lacklustre. But we came out there to second hand. But I guess right now what I'm trying to figure out is going to this season. Here's that Paulo. We have the quarterback we have Jalen hurts as you just heard Mr. Trotta was speaking glowingly about him. We have the office of blue ruin coach while we have an amazing receiving core. And now we have the missing piece I believe that we have the defense. I left that spring game. Somewhat more impressed with the defense, and I did the office. So I guess Paul. My question for you is just your. You're at Tennessee, man. But at our fans, but what is it gonna take to get you on your bed? It's gonna take it's gonna take a lot. Chris. Yeah. I'm a fan. But I I have to see it to believe it. I mean, listen, I'll I'll take your word for the defense. Let me see it first. Okay. All right. I got nice to call. Charles is in Louisiana. Did we tried a few minutes ago? Yeah. That's me. Charles. What happened you? I couldn't hear the TV. And all oh, okay. I'm glad you're back. Charles. Yeah. What what about LSU? Yeah. What about what you what you think about? I think that could be Texas. I heard y'all talking about them. Listen, I'm high on LSU. They're they're they're my favorite team right now. I mean, that's just I mean. Coach. Oh. But, but I I like to turn, you know, picked up some pretty good players and stuff, you know. That's like that, you know. But I just I looked to have a good season. I'm thinking we've got to get over that help with Alabama. Hey, how are you going to do that? How are we going to do that? Yeah. Yeah. Clemson could do it. I think you can do it. Got to play some good defense. That's how you beat. You know, you know, how you beat Alabama. Yep. Place mar football. First of all, I don't know about that. The first thing to do is you have to try to win the game. And you really think at ores you're on tried to win the game last year. No. So so that that's all it takes. All I'm saying to coach. Oh, hey, just just go for the haymaker on the opening play the game. Don't don't don't play play cute. Alabama will kill you. If you do that. And I thought that's been his I mean, he's he's got a really good team there. They will be better next year. And right, even though the game exclusive, I give them a much better shot this year than I did last year. Right, right. But I see that recruiting class. Listen. But you know, we act like LSU is always recruited poorly. I mean, this is a big time program here, you know, that you're a fan. I think what he is. He's finally gotten LSU back to where it was before before restaurant. Ran it off the road. Yeah. Right. But we'll see, you know. Okay. And play it out and see what have. Okay, appreciate you call. They may call and that was the first time call in the second time, we call back but pre sheet. You did great first timer. Now. It's always tough the first time. Chris up next in Georgia. Hello Chris able how you doing? We are great Chris. Thank you for the call for some caller, all so wonderful, man. We're. Yeah. I just wanted to on something that you brought up a few minutes ago about Molin being nine against Georgia. Well, actually, it's Kirby. But and John said that wasn't fair, but it is fair. I mean, well, by the way, it's fair in this context. It's offense of coach versus defensive coach. And I realized that Kirby was only responsible for so much. But it doesn't matter what the record is. But but it's just a a measuring stick. And by the way to say that Mississippi State is not in the same league as Alabama. That's not really accurate either. I mean, Dan Mullen had that program going there were number one in the country. They had deck Prescott when they played Alabama in two thousand and fourteen you know, who the higher ranked team was it was Mississippi State. Yeah. Well, you know, we know I mean defense wins championships. I mean, I display that I mean, I think that's what wins ball games. And I think you see that. I mean, you know, you. Yeah. You gotta have a balance program. But ultimately, if you don't have a good defense, you're not going either at the end, so no. And I listen, I think. I mean, Kirby smart took over a good program. The and made it significantly better. Dan took over an average program. But Florida wasn't in the in the in the tank, and in fact, I think I think Florida had a diesel pretty decent defense. They just were lacking. I just had a coach who I to this day. I don't know what happened to Jim mcelwain. I mean, he just I think the job was just too big for him. Yeah. Well, I I don't know. I just kind of find it funny, though, the Molins run as mouth now. I mean, I I mean, obviously, I'm a dog fan. But. He is running his mouth, I can confirm that. And that's who he is. He's a very confident coach he's got us Wagner and he's brought this wag back to Gainesville. But. You better do more than just talk. Exactly. I mean, he's he's trying to get in the head of all the Georgia fans. And and Kirby he won't and all these dune is providing bulletin board. Here if you if you go into Kirby's inner sanctum right Now, Dan Mullins not the team that he's thinking about beating. You're right. He's got to figure out how to beat Alabama. And I mean, I think the two programs are different levels. I'm not saying Florida can't close the gap. But right now, I mean, I don't look at for those of you who wanna live on what the ESPN ranking show today careful because Georgia has only got a couple of commitments their ranking. We'll go up they know what they're doing over. There surely do Mullins just a a little dog nip and on Georgia's heels right now right now, the two big dogs are Alabama Georgia that you're absolutely correct. Hey, thanks for the call. Great to have you. This is cool. This joy. I mean, I'm I'm somewhat relieved to hear to fan bases going at it. Other than Alabama fans going after me Swamy is up next. How are Swami? Hey, great. Oh. Has major breaking news today. Paul with last night, the fifth overall pick in the Canadian football lead to Winnipeg blue bombers select Jonathan combo defensive in Tennessee. So they're officially off plop now Paul I mean, it was beautiful at work today. He's Tennessee fans and my friends of mine just had their chest puffed out. You know, you gotta take what you can't listen, Tennessee. This is not your grandfather. Or your father's Tennessee football program. It's absolutely. The the success stories are slightly smaller than they used to be and one last thing. Which I called out for, you know, come for second Hyun, you're casting now damaged boy, I'm tell you suck and up on a man, then takes cow. I'm gonna call you for calling Neo. We'll take a break. Which Friday afternoon in case you couldn't figure that out. We are having fun. It's comes once a week. And you only get those spring Fridays for a couple of weeks, and they take us off the air listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. I can't believe it. That Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. How long until it got their long get there. I'll learn to get there. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's this button? Do what's this button, do but this button, do what's this? I believe at Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. We'll go back. Greg is up next. Hey, greg. Hey, Paul, thanks for taking my call. Thank you know of a heard early sense people calling in cancelling or not wanting listen anymore. And I just wanted you to know that I have renewed my Paul scripture for the come and see. Okay, we needed it. We were close to an answering. So you gotta call this. Rodney Dangerfield Friday. Because lately, this seems a lot of teams are fans calling up saying, we're not getting any respect, you know. It reminds me of that time when Missouri had come off three SEC championships. And this guy called you said, hey, we're not getting any respect, and you pointed out that they were getting plastered every time. It got much like Florida few years ago when they went three years in a row, it's it's one thing to get there. But you gotta do something. Once you get there. So I think. Greg. I think and I've been part of a lotta rivalries, and you have to when you're number one calling card is negative energy directed at your your rival not having won something in a long period of time. That's not going to get it done, especially when they beaten you two straight years. Exactly. So you know, when ole miss beat Alabama two years in a row that's something to talk about. And Florida doesn't yet. So the only way that you garner. Good positive claiming accreditation is by taking your talent and achieving at a higher level than you did in the Florida is one of those schools in. I think we had a discussion in the SEC they in terms of their their their self worth. And what they believe in what they think they're worth their on. I think if you had to rank that if you're if you're if you had dented fans and say, okay, who are you in the SEC Florida fans feel like they are on the on the same shelf as Alabama. Just going to say Paul I agree that when they call in. It's almost as if they only feel like they're one or two years removed from urban Meyer suback toback now in fairness I've done chosen album time, even when Alabama was in the wilderness. They still felt like they belong because they used to talk about the past. Now, they talk about the future because the president they're trying to nor. But well point is Alabama fans even in the worst of times, Greg. Would would they never felt they were that their stock had dropped. They would they would throw up how many ever ever many national championships? And they would talk about what they were going to do in the future. And the Gators are similar to that. I mean, even even during some pretty dark years they and maybe because I was there two weeks ago, and I saw the trophies sitting and Dan Mullins office. It reminded me of of their recent past. I mean, the the Gators are not shying on confidence. And that's the one thing about Georgia that they have to overcome at some point naming naming the field after Vince Dooley is great. It will not bring you a national championship though. So all these preseason. Polls are nice all the talk about you know, everybody's talking right now that there's a, you know in the top ten and that their defense is going to be better. And they're going to win ten games. Never wanted. Third act is everybody can't win. And I I'm hearing. I'm hearing LSU fans talk about recruiting all of a sudden, I mean, listen is may and you better find anything you can to wrap your arms around because the reality is for months from now the real stuff starts, well and all I could say for LSU fan. Florida press conference at the end when they didn't score any points against Alabama last year. Yeah. I mean that that when you said just a few minutes ago as overture on didn't play to win because he doesn't know how to win against Alabama. Now, he's better by new book. The book us last year did not help. Hey, thanks, Greg. Great always great to hear from you. Let's continue. Kenny is in West Virginia. Go right ahead. Kenny. Hey, how you doing great? Thank you. You know, I went to Florida when we had Galen hall. So I I actually have seen some good times. And I've seen some bad times too. And I'm still here. I've seen more bad times. The, you know, lately, obviously, you know, some of the good times I've seen three national title since ninety six like like you mentioned which is more than any school tipped Alabama. You know, and I do know. And I, you know, I'm I'm I'm a realist, I do admit we've been looking up at Georgia the past two years, but you know, Mike there said, oh, they had a a trophy trophy case. And we need to get some ignoring the facts won't change facts. We have national titles trophies not SEC championships. And in light of how you ended against Texas and what we did to the number one defense in the country in our last game. I wouldn't be beating my chest. Period. Go Gators go Gators. Go Gators Bill is Intel ahead. Hey, bill. Hey, how you doing? Well, thank you. All right. Can you? Grant me one wish we spoke in a couple of times. And I'm an old cater. I have a handle. I've used on sports talk radio for decades and the internet these days, I'm known as Terminator can use. That term Agadir is on the air. Go right ahead. Thank you, sir. You know, four to fan base Georgia fan basis or two huge fan bases and both of them have their fringes. So I just enjoy sitting back and watching this listen to this the smack I'll go back and forth of but as far as the head to head things Mullen, Kirby smart, can we just count hit the head when their head coaches. Do we have? That's what we should do. But I I was just trying to to make a show a comparison because many gator fans wanted just totally dismiss Kirby's career. And I don't think you can do that. No. I don't think we should dismiss either career. They're both fine. Careers. And is far as you. You tend to say when it comes to arrive room when the gazing play, Georgia, Florida. It's Florida Georgia is Appleby e f g oh, okay. I went to. I went to grammar school in in Tennessee. Well, at least you have all your teeth. I think the Batabano right now, I've got something going on in my mouth. All right. Paul great to talk to you. Sports for fun not for animals to the okay term gator. I like that. Thank you, sir. Have a great day. Thank you very much. Okay. We we made it to the halfway point of the Friday afternoon show. Yeah. We're all here. We just need to figure out a way to make it the next couple of hours, you we'll take your calls that already had some really good guests amazingly good conversation too. And we are coming right back.
TechStuff Classic: How Hand-drawn Animation Works
"Ron Burgundy is back for season two of the Ron Burgundy podcast. The legendary newsman has more hot takes emotional confessions to share with the world after millions aliens of downloads at season one. He's only getting started this season's episodes of the Ron Burgundy podcast entertain his smorgasbord of Interests Ron Engages Ages in conversation with brain scientists celebrities like Brooke Shields and Clayton Kershaw and most notably a presidential candidate we will learn everything from how to protect yourself from a dark web hacker to how to teach a child not to bite listen to the Ron Burgundy podcast on apple podcasts the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts welcome to text up a production of iheartradio's. How stuff stuff works. Hey there and welcome to textile. I'm your host Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with how stuff works IHEART heart radio and above all things tech and his time for another classic episode of Text Stuff. This episode called Howl Hand Drawn Animation works it originally published on October seventeenth. Two Thousand Twelve and I'm a huge fan of animation. I love animation then. I think when it's done well it can be an incredible art form. One of my favorite films of the recent past is into the spider verse a truly gorgeous animated movie although not necessarily talking just about hand-drawn animation in that respect but I I thought it'd be good to look back on this kind of get an appreciation on how this stuff works so let's listen in as Chris and I go down the path to understanding hand drawn animation. They wanted to talk about the traditional hand-drawn animation process what goes into it. Why does it work mark and how has it changed over the years and we were specifically focusing on hand-drawn animation because I think we may have I know we've talked about computer animation in previous podcasts yes. I don't think we've done a full episode on it but but the two disciplines are different enough where I think it warrants to different podcasts yeah the I have done some research on it just by accident just because I was interested in a topic from time to time and I started thinking about it the other day when I saw something and suggested adjusted it's it's very different in quite a few ways from from computer animation and Jonathan and I like to talk about how how old styles of tech have affected us and the kinds of things that people used to do you know there are some very famous studios that have gone computer only these days but some of the very same studios were pioneers in some of the amazing tech that went into making a a piece of hand-drawn animation look very realistic and I thought we know it would be really fun to kind of touch on that. which is which is why. I think we decided to go ahead and and make an episode of it which probably already attached this into our movie making tech series of stuff just because we haven't done one in a while l. and now we can say we have. I think it's been it's been like a year. Okay that that that's fine with me. This belongs in our movie magic technology series it really does. It's just that I wasn't thinking of it that way. So for the before we get into the actual the process of making a handwritten animated project whether it's Tele for television or film or whatever we should kind of explain the whole all concept behind animation it's the idea is that it's an illusion obviously an illusion of movement and this is because the way our brains in our is work we have this sort of it's almost like a visual memory in a way and we're able to fill in enough information where if if you have a sequence of images of an object that appears to move because it has a different orientational or you've slightly changed the location of the object from one page of of a like a pad of paper to another and and then you move fast enough clip it gives the illusion that that that's actually an object. That's physically moving through space yeah persistence of vision. Yes you might call it yes in fact at its name that's and that is why grab a call at that and so. I mean anyone who has played with a little note pad or post it notes or whatever and have created created their own. Little versions of this knows that you know you you get a You create this illusion movement. You move the figures you you draw the next figura a little bit further away from the first one where you give it some other form of motion and when you flip the book then it looks like something's happening. I used to do this all the time with posted nuts. I went through so many packs of post. It notes drawing my own little cartoons which almost always ended in violent mayhem. They usually began innocently enough. Yeah I'd be like okay now. He's jumping over hurdle and now he's opening a door and now he's hit in the head with an axe next and now he's running away from a monster and yeah things fell apart pretty quickly for me. If you're a if you've ever read the Comic Strip Calvin and Hobbs where Calvin is coming up with these scenarios and now look the giant tanker truck full of asset is coming torture and media from space. How can they avoid this. This is the image seeing of Jonathan doing us yeah. It wasn't pretty so how do you take take that and you transferred over into making an animated show or film well. It's been done for centuries now really in a way in a way but the the process that Kinda defines the way modern animation worked throughout the Twentieth Century was really defined by bye-bye Earl Hurd and Earl Hurd actually patented the CEL animation process and we call cell animation the original channel material that people drew the drawings of figures or whatever was being animated within a scene they would draw draw that on celluloid eventually the industry made a transition from celluloid to cellulose acetate. part of that was because celluloid is is a flammable very flow. It's both flammable and inflammable who and also it could be prone to spontaneous decomposition so you couldn't store it indefinitely using those stack of drawings. They were right down. St that public over there yeah. That's no white yeah they they would. They would seems problematic yeah so you couldn't. You know you couldn't archive this stuff. which in the early days the industry wasn't a big concern? You know the the concern was to create this this product and then have it shown usually in a movie theater hitter in the early days yeah. This is before television so this was something where you would go to a like a feeder and see it projected on a screen gene but people weren't too concerned about storing stuff for for posterity prosperity. They wanted prosperity prosperity. They weren't so concerned about but yeah so so it wasn't a big deal but then the move to cellulose acetate which is essentially kind of plastic helped take that that problem out of the picture so to speak you know the the reason that now this material celluloid was was clear. Yes basically clear sheet of plastic just just for the sake of the image in your head right. Actually most of you have probably seen somebody working on sells for animation mation. It's you know we sort of know what this looks like. we haven't gotten so far out from that realm that it's foreign to US yeah but this is this was a big improvement because before this there were some very early animation you know moving pictures that were or made with drawings on paper right and that is so much more time consuming because it just as you know there are several frames of film that pass each second twenty four is the standard yes. I can remember twenty. Four as per second is standard for film thirty for television. I was thinking say twenty four thirty television. If you're in the United States I have to you have to make these qualifiers because other other countries have different standards so imagine if you will lead you are one of the animators and you have to draw twenty four complete drawings for each second of film yeah. This is very time consuming where using the the cell method allows you allows the animator to make a subtle changes to the original drawing rowing and and just changed make those subtle changes and you can see it because again if you watch a video of somebody making an animation with cells they they are able to overlay them on top of one another and they can make those subtle adjustments seeing where the differences are between the two drawings which you you won't be able to do as well with paper because it's a pack you especially if you're using hand especially if you're using paper ladies loosened if there's a background image. That's that's involved with paper. You have to draw the whole thing each time right so you're drawing that whole background because again you papers not transparent so you're trying the whole background plus drying whatever's in the foreground. That's that's animated and then the next frame you have to draw it all over again whereas with cells which could do is you can have a pre generated background image that is laid down in a frame and then you could overlay these cells on top of it one other time and and because the cell itself is clear anywhere that you have not drawn you could see the background and then you take that sell out. You put another cell in you. Take another another picture which represents a frame of the film you know when you think about film really is animation. Yes even live action. Film is technically animation animation because you're talking about looking at a series of photographs that are played at such a speed as to create the illusion of movement. Yes no credit this is. We're talking about physical film here because we digital. There's different things to you know consider but in the old film days that's that's really what we're talking talking about so with animation. Each of those frames is essentially a photograph. You're using a camera to photograph this drawing and with the cells like I said you take one sell out you put other cell in the background remained static then you have a character that is appearing or object or whatever then hearing to move on top with this background. If it's a movement that is re. You know easily repeatable. You don't even have to draw more than the number of cells it takes to complete one mm cycle of that action so let's say that you want to picture you've drawn a cartoon kangaroo and the kangaroos just jumping straight up down five times. We don't have to draw enough cells to do that. Five Times you draw it so it does one full cycle one jump from start to finish and then you you could photograph that sequence five times using the same set of cells so in other words. You've just cut down the amount of work you would have to do if this were all done on paper yes and that's one of the important points to that that so many animators have used in the past the the illusion of movement movement. You've got your kangaroo hopping up and down now. If the background stay static then it looks like the Kangaroos hopping up and down in place right right this technique that Jonathan was just saying or is just talking about as often used to create the illusion Asian of movement across a linear surface from point to point B. Let's say the the characters are walking down a street in the city man manner remember those old marvel comics heroes animations from the sixties and all the buildings. I if if you wash a lot of these shows hanna-barbera did had this kind of thing to all the time where you're moving down the urban landscape and they've you've got your drawings of the city and after a while the bill the buildings things begin to look the same which is because underneath what the characters are doing the same images of the city once they've gotten let's say twenty four for each frame. They probably had you know a certain number of once they got to the end of that then they started over at the beginning and yeah so loops and loops and move so if you think of if you think of like a cell cells generally the size of whatever the whole frame of that images right so so one cell has the character or object or whatever or characters or objects or mix of whatever it has those in the sooner or has on the on the center it doesn't really matter. It has an on the cell the rest of the cell is clear. That's what showing you the background. Generally the backgrounds backgrounds are much wider than the frame on sometimes taller as well then the frame that you are looking at yeah so when you take that picture picture and you remove the cell he can put the next cell indicating the next movement of that character you would also adjust the position of the background so that you would have that allusion of character walking forward so let's say the characters staying in the center of the frame and the animation has the character is making a walking motion motion then what you would do is between the different shots you would move the background horizontally so that it would look like the characters making progress well eventually. You're going to run a background. You'll have to switch to a different background or you have to reuse one. which is what Chris was talking about? You'll also notice an ally those old animations. characters have very limited movement. Sometimes it looks like a static character who's just kinda bouncing up and down a little bit as the background is moving and again that was a way of of saving money by drawing fewer cells you draw character on a cell and you're using that same static image of the character you're just repositioning listening the cell slightly and and adjusting the camera's frame so that the CA- The character appears to be moving up and down as if they are walking but in fact so you're just using the same picture over and over and over again. I'm pretty get to the clutch cargo days where you replace the cartoon characters mouth with a human mouth and generate a a whole generation of nightmares. I'm pretty sure though that this method is exactly why he man always appeared to be moonwalking everywhere. He went right yeah. Yeah the matching the the the background movement with the animated character movement is an art form of it's in of itself itself and if you don't do it carefully then you get this weird glide emotion where the character either seems to be walking too quickly but not making making enough progress or walking slowly but moving really fast yeah and you know it's it's. It's a form of art really to get that just right. We're kind. I'm getting a little too far into this. Though I wanted to talk about the whole process of building an animated feature okay but before I jump into one of the things I need to say is that this traditional form of animation. We're talking about where you're drawing pictures on sells it takes up less space. Yes it does the equipment takes up space because you I usually have to have a table on which you are photographing all this stuff and you're not using like a a hand camera no professional aw huge camera and generally speaking this kind of helps cut down on the amount of materials you need but generally speaking for film most animation and done where they call it animating on twos which means they take two pictures per position which means means that while the playback is twenty four frames per second the positions are more like twelve frames per second yeah so that way you you've just cut the number of cells. You need to create in half also the number of times. You need to adjust the background. You've cut that in half which makes it's a big difference now for things that are like action. That's moving really really quickly. Where you want it really smooth you might be animating on ones which means every single time mm you take picture. You have to change it. Whatever you know either the background foreground are both between each picture so you've just added had twice as much work. You know sometimes even more than twice as much as you think about all the departments that are involved in this but it creates. It's a lot more work that way it also means you have to have storage space for all this stuff yeah because cells take up room. backgrounds take up room. The equipment takes up room and film itself takes up room. So you know you talk about film footage. really does that really does refer back to how many feet of film you've shot right footage. I mean we think about yeah. I got some great footage but you don't think of what that really means. Well in the film days that actually met how many feet of film you had exposed. How many you had you shot of whatever seeing if you want to know how much film animated had an animated picture takes about sixteen frames is a foot okay. One second of film is twenty twenty four frames right so one second of film is a foot and a half okay most about half a meter. Most cartoons tunes are longer than a second true so you have lots and lots of film that you're dealing with all right so that's that's the space issue and we'll talk more about how we've kind of worked around that and move beyond the Cel based animation these days while still staying hand-drawn so if you wanted to make an animated film he you the way you would generally approach this. Is You come up with an idea for a story. That's the best thing that the best way to start in my opinion. I just drew some stuff bouncing around you could do that. It's not terribly interesting beyond maybe a certain group of friends who are amused by anything you my friends know who they are. Hey they like my stuff anyway. So you create a story and then you think of how you want to visualize the story. This is where you create a story board now. Story Board is kind of like a comic strip or graphic novel. It tells the story in a series of frames and it all depends on how detailed you WanNa get sometimes you just show a a frame and then you might make a note about what what is happening as far as the action goes because of course a frame is still image. We don't see movement in a frame right. We can see the implication like it's implying implying movement perhaps but it doesn't actually move so you might say you know like have a have a picture of a character who is holding an American football ball and is that's where my friends in in places other than the United States but a holding an American football as if they're going to throw a pass so their arm is cocked back they're holding the football football and then you might draw some Eros showing that this is the forward motion at the characters. GonNa throw the ball and then the next shot might be football in the air and in the next shot shot might be a character with arms wide open trying to catch this ball and the next shot might be the bog passing right between the characters arms that would be several frames within a story board you fill out the entire story this way so you end up with a huge depending upon the length of your project a huge comic Strip that is your story and it's told in this visual format once you've got an idea of what it looks like in the mood you're trying to get across cross in various parts of the story the next step and every project takes these steps in this exact order but in general the next step would be you get your your cast together and record all the voice work so it all depends on the project of how you do ah some some animation companies what they would do is they would bring in the voice actors individually and they would just deliver their lines lines and they might deliver a line five six different ways to that the director has the choice of which line to use which which delivery to us right right yeah so the line might be Chris. I need you to say this line. Don't go in there. Don't go in there now. I need you to say it like you're scared scared. Don't go in there now. I need you to say it like there's a big surprise and you just you can't let this person see surprise yet. Don't go in there the and that's exactly what the voice actors would be doing and it sounds ridiculous but that's truly the way a lot of these studios work unless they're casting Robin Williams in which case they gave him a microphone. Just go like here's here's here's your cue line. Here's the line you need to give so that the next actors line make sense go at it the the stuff that ended up on the cutting room floor for Aladdin is phenomenal and made it was great stuff that that was cut was pretty amazing to anyway just an aside. That's that's one way of doing it another way. Sometimes studios studios will bring in groups of actors and they will all have headphones on they'll be in the studio and they will they will read outlines together and you will actually have actors acting off of one another's delivery. Yelich a group read which is which is great and usually there's also a grade before they even go into the recording process and then they can can kind of get that feel this is particularly true for television animation where they'll get a table read so that the actors Kinda know where they need to go with their their performance before they go into the studio but if they're together it makes it easier at least Ed and I have done this it for me. It makes it easier for me to act when I have someone someone to act opposite of that way we can we can judge how to deliver the next line based upon what the other person has said Yeah. It's a lot more challenging inching when you're doing it in a void and you just hope that the way you deliver a line matches up with the way they delivered their line but it's both approaches are used and there there are some phenomenal animated works out there where every single actor never ever encountered any of the other actors which to me blows my mind they record this thing and then you have what is called a scratch track. This is an audio track of the film that includes all the vocal acting including songs vocal songs that characters are performing in there and usually some music tracks because often the music for a film is not finished until you've got at least something to look at so that the composer can kind of match the mood of the music to whatever's on screen yeah but they'll be temp music tracks to kind give give the did you know music checks their selected the give sort of similar field to what the filmmakers are going so that the animators have something to work off so you've got scratched track done by the way this was not how is always done prior to the Nineteen Thirties animators would create an automated film and then record the sound matching trying to match the sound to what was already created in film format yeah so they were going the opposite way they would create the film and then they were trying essentially Foley Yeah for whatever the animated film was but but eventually it moved to the other way yeah if I were going to do this. It would probably be more like that right that would be because I'm not an animator yeah so because the animators are doing is they take that that soundtrack that scratch track and they start to create the animation. Sometimes there's another step in fact very often. There's another step called an antomatic or pencil test. This is a very primitive version of the film so it goes beyond the story board model where you've got some some movement usually involved in the antibiotics but if you you know the most primitive form of the antibiotic could just be a story board set to the scratch track and this again is a reference for the animators to look at when they start to really generate the the the visuals for film now at this point you can start to divide up the Labor which is very useful because it means that you can have different departments working on various stuff off all at the same time and people can specialize in very particular tasks and it makes the whole project move much more quickly. It's like it's. It's an assembly line approach yeah so it's kind of key to how they started making animated motion pictures. I'm glad you said the word key but I'll get to that so that you might have a background department. This departments purposes just to create the backgrounds that you're going to see in this animated feature. We'll be back here if you need us so they actually are. That's that's their job is to create the backgrounds and these backgrounds might be larger than the frame is when you're taking pictures is with your film camera so that you could move the background around in relation to what's going on in the foreground so you can have that illusion of characters moving around a scene and you are you aren't restricted to just what you can see in any given frame so they that department starts to work on the backgrounds on so you've got the drawing department and what they usually do is start on paper and they'll start drying out the characters. They'll they'll start creating character concepts. This is the time where they really start to refine the way characters. Look and move and not just the characters themselves but anything leaving. The character happens to have on him or her so for example. If you've drawn a space marine character who's got a big gun big clunky armor. You would want to draw a lot. The different poses for this character kind of define like this is how this character moves like the armor restricts movement so things need to be really angular and there can't be a lot of flexibility not here and when the character expressed surprise his eyebrows actually go down not up and that sort of stuff and these are things that really define acting choices in the movie you know I it's a weird another weird thing is that a performance in an animated film is defined by not just the person who's recorded did the voice but the person who has drawn that character and so you've done an acting performance coming from at least two different people and usually usually more than two different people yeah there. There are times in for example that I know this is not a hand-drawn animation. There are times monsters INC when I'm watching Mike Hausky and I'm seeing billy crystal in my head yeah because they've captured some of the same facial. Let's brush. That's often often people will film or videotape the cast recording sessions in order to get a look at how the actors actors some of the some of the facial expressions they use or the quirks they have and they'll even incorporate that into the character designs which is that's always fun. When you see an enemy character make movement that is something you associate with a physical human being. That's always a fun moment yeah yeah and I think that's an another benefit of doing it the other way around not only do you have to not match up the voice to the animation but you actually get to to breathe life into the animation to make it more appealing right. We've got more to say about how animation works but before we get to that. Let's take a quick break to thank our sponsor. 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It's true you know you can in fact there are companies that have had problems where the paints they were using no longer existed because the company that produced them was gone and they had to try and figure out how to recreate that exact color or their times to win you know especially for TV shows where they're they're creating many episodes of show where the producing studio farms the animation workout to other studios so you'll see differences sometimes in colors. When one studio does it versus another yeah and that's that's distracting for longtime fans. That's another issue I was is going to mention. Is that so you get this where you're drawing the cells and you're painting the cells. Yanking and painting the cells everything's being done on the back of cell that also hides the brush strokes so that way when you turn the cell over you've got this beautiful color image of a character and object or whatever but you don't see the individual brushstrokes or anything that's on the back of the cell then once those cells are done. If you were to do all the animation yourself you would produce all the cells you needed to complete elite the animation for the various scenes. You're doing and sometimes that means that you're going to be using some of the same sells again and again like if there are a lot of scenes of a character walking down the road than you may have a certain sequence of cells that you use several times you don't want to rely on that too much of course because otherwise otherwise it just looks like it's the same thing through the whole picture yeah but you would put those cells individually on top of the respective backgrounds. Take a photo make the adjustments take the next photo. Make adjustments. Take the next photo until you are done and you know you do that. All the way through and you're matching it up to that scratch track you actually have to make sure that the animation matches up with the soundtrack for the film and then they the the final soundtrack comes through with the music effects and everything and you master out the film and then you've got your finished animated project however like. Chris was saying a lot of television shows in particular farm out animation to other countries particularly Korea Korea is It's like a known factor in animation shows like the simpsons and Futurama they use these studios in Korea area to complete the animation. What usually happens is that the team back in the United States will create what are called not frames key frames are showing very specific points in the animation that need to happen yeah and you have these these segments between the key frames that are left finished. They need to be filled in and that's called. Inbetween ING which makes percents you're you're creating this the action that exists in between the key frames so if you think about it back when I was talking about the story board with the whole football example you would probably have more key frames than just the three or four panels talked about but that would essentially be the same sort of thing saying this. Is Your starting point. This is your ending point. We need to have the pathway connecting these two. It needs to be this many frames long so that's that that kind of dictates how fast the action takes and then once that is all done the the foreign for US anyway. The Foreign Studios sends ends the footage back and you can incorporate into your show often. You have to do a lot of work to match up things like vocal work in particular killer with with the animation that sent back because you're talking about a language barrier often you're talking about people who may not get the gist of a joke because of either linguistic or cultural differences so something that makes sense and his funny to us may not be funny to another culture because they don't have the same cultural background right or same linguistic background so they're they're adjustments that need to be made at that point but the the ideas that the bulk of the work is done which ends up being less expensive for the studio here in the United States because frankly eight the the p the animators are working in Korea are doing it at a much lower cost than it would be to produce it all here yeah so that's the general approach now we have a couple of special things we wanted to talk about one of those being something that was invented many decades ago oh by Disney animators Disney engineers yeah this May I'm not certain that that we're talking about the same thing I think the yes the multi that's exactly. I'm doing the multi plane camera gesture that Chris would now yes. That's the the international symbol for the multi plane camera which is putting putting putting your horizontal hand in five different levels this this is a little different in technique and and and it's it's similar in other ways now this is something that the Disney studios there were there were several people who worked on this. Disney himself did some work on it and the semi famous Ooh By works also worked on it as well and basically they had noticed. There's an there's an awesome film of Disney himself introducing this and talking about it. I assumed that it looks like it came from the Disneyland. TV show that that was out in the fifties and dimension. It's that or or and I'm sure it was used something like the wonderful world of Disney. Yeah you know it's it's. He did a whole series of films where he talked very you know just just matter of fact approach about how they do what they do and how they make. Disney magic which in my mind made it all the more magical because you saw the amount of thought that went into producing the stuff they made yeah yeah absolutely but it'd been in about five have minutes. I'd actually read about this in a biography of Walt Disney but seeing it actually explained step by step and how they make it work now when you show a traditional two D animation sell being shot a photo being taken of the cell against the background. Basically there's a frame that holds the cell in place over the background the clamp it down so it's not gonNA wiggle right all they take the shot and the camera is mounted above the table so it is taking a picture of what is inside the frame the physical frame on top of the table right so you you basically have a shutter shutter release control you out the you put in place. Lock it down in place backout so you don't take a picture of the back of your head right. Get some weird reflection in there or something and a and do the shutter release with your with your thumb finger and you know take two shots if you're doing you know to okay okay so you got it but how what what Disney was explaining in this video was basically the problem of perspective yes how certain things appear larger when they are closer to you or smaller farther away now you have something like a barn and that's specifically quickly from this with a moon hanging in the sky background yeah now you as you get closer as you walk toward the barn. It's going to start to appear larger but in in traditional animation two D animation you start basically if you're a large because you're basically zooming in on your as you if you're thinking of it in purely physical terms yeah you are either moving the camera closer or focusing the lens so that the focal length is different but you're you're essentially essentially moving the camera closer to the Frayne or you're moving the frame closer to the camera and that either case you're decreasing the distance between camera and frame in order to create the illusion that you are zooming into a physical landscape so in a real world situation. It'd be like a cameraman holding a camera and walking walking toward this barn. That's on a hill on the moon is hanging behind it and in that situation the barn would gradually start to appear larger during the frame because you're getting closer but the MON would not start to get larger because the moon is so much further away you would have to go a really long way before that moon started looking like it was getting bigger but in animation because it's a static background and it's drawn two dimensional piece of paper or or whatever when the camera gets closer everything gets bigger. You cannot selectively say hey static image that it was drawn once that we're going to use over and over again make sure the moon doesn't get bigger when they get closer to it. It doesn't work that way. We got a little bit more animating to do folks but before we can do that that we're going to take another quick break. 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APP or wherever you listen to podcasts so the the way that that the Disney studios decided to work around this was to essentially and it's not exactly like this but McHugh will essentially use stack of layered sells mounted one over the other over the other over the other so that the table underneath them still has the bottom and the camera is still above them but what this enables the the animators just to do is to adjust so the moon in this case would be on the very bottom yeah. It's for this thing away. It's not gonNA move right. There might be a tree between Wean you and the barn so as the camera gets closer to the layer with the tree on it eventually goes out of sight because at this point you do the illusion is that you have passed the tree right. Barna still ahead of you and it still appears to be getting larger but more slowly than and the Bush on another layer between and eventually don't see the Bush anymore because you have theoretically passed it and as you get closer to the Barnea still appearing larger but the moon still appears to be that roughly the same distance away so as the the camera gets you know layer here by a layer closer and closer down the stack of layers you do have that illusion that you are that the perspective is working the way it wouldn't real real life right now. It is not exactly the same as as celebration in this case. They're actually using oil paint on glass. Yes don't drop that layer layer. I worked on all day. Bill Gates your filthy smudging hands layer. I just felt so they for every shot this again. This is an expensive process because because now they're drawing not just one frame at any time they are drawing several layers that you may or may not get to reuse later but they have to mount these in the the holders for each frame so let's say you've got seven layers. the bottom line with the moon on it. That's going to stay the same. It'll be on a stationary table yeah but you might have to animate you might have to replace the ones on the first three more frequently the floor and then the five so you're for every shot. You're going to have to adjust the different layers as needed and so you've got you've got this device that has all these platforms that can hold each layer and the platforms themselves are adjustable where you can move them closer to or further away from the camera the camera. Emma remains stationary. You can also move them left to right or up or down. Frankly genius so again again you can create a much wider seen gene then can be seen on a single shot of the camera and remember. We're still doing this this approach where we take one picture than you adjust. Take one picture then you adjust you. You couldn't Eregli do this live if you really wanted to but it would look it would probably be chaotic mess so instead Let's say that you are doing a panning shot through a forest while the stuff that's closer to you is going to appear to move more dramatically than the stuff that is much further away say yes well. That was the shot they used in the video. You were talking about was from Bambi wasn't a panning shot through the forest and and this effect was very impressive impressive because you had different layers of the background moving at different speeds relative to our perspective and so it creates a much more realistic feeling than just camera panning across a static painting which doesn't have any other layers to it and it really did add this level of immersion to those early animated films now. It was a very kind of primitive a former three D. yeah because you're not you're not having any. It's giving the illusion of depth that's not coming out at you and also ultimately it's the illusion of depth of a a series of two dimensional paintings yes right so it's almost like and I've seen this with televisions that do three d conversion to three conversion. The problem I have with two to three D conversion is that it always gives the appearance of a bunch of cardboard cutouts that are at different depths levels yeah so if you had if you took a photo with a two D. camera a bunch of people lined up so that they are like like there's one one guy who's really close to fairly close to you. Another person who's a little further back another one little further back another one at the very back of the picture and adjusted the focus so that everyone's more or less in focus okay you take the photo and then converted to three d well now. It looks like a cardboard. Cutout of your friend is really close. A cardboard cutout of your other friend is in the middle. It doesn't there. They don't appear to be three dimensional objects right same thing is true with this multi plane camera approach that the backgrounds all like two dimensional paintings because that's what they were but but that there were some that were closer to the camera than others so it created a very interesting effect and it was immersive but it was not so immersive as a true three dimensional background yeah yeah nonetheless. I think it was a very clever way to to work around the limitations of Two D. and you know in thinking about it. Just now I think in a way inadvertently forced the Ken Burns effect because when you're when when you're shooting documentaries as as he has any showing still images and they're you know they they're interviewing somebody they're talking and basically you're watching a photo that was taken one hundred years ago. There's it's it's a static photo of a real person. And what are you GONNA do. You're you're going to sit there and stare at the photo of Abraham Lincoln for two minutes while this guy is talking about it. No you gotta do something to make it more. I think it sort of set an expectation expectation that when you're watching video it should be moving yeah and it should appear realistic so I started thinking about. I bet that's why we have the Ken Burns effect because because you know we we came in with that perspective of moving into the photo or panning across a still photo and that's exactly actually what I was thinking when yeah well he was when Disney was narrating this this things like well. You know you can zoom in if you want to and it seems like you're getting closer but it does. It's not as realistic as if you had this sense the perspective yeah as we will create with the multi plane camera so I just kind of thought about that now the other thing I wanted to talk about another development that has dramatically changed the way hand-drawn animation works today and that is using a digital platform to create hand-drawn animation computer animation mation building computer models. You're still drawing stuff by hand. You're just doing it with a computer right to assist you and tip typically. This is through the use of things like calm tablets. Specifically intrigued tablets tend to be favored by a lot of the artists Sino mainly because you can with the right tablet. You can actually still still look down and see as you're drawing. That's a that's a something that I've got a friend. Who Does animation actually got a couple friends. Do Animation my buddy. Lucas Ryan was was talking to me about this because I said we're GONNA do episode about hand-drawn animation. What would you suggest we talk about and he says well you know you're going to cover the whole history and that's great but I want you to talk about what it's like for an animator today to use one of these digital tablets and he talked about. There's a disconnect. There are some tablets where it's like a giant touch pat right and you've got a stylus. Jews a pen that you use and you draw on the touch pad and the touch pad itself doesn't display anything. You have to look at a screen bright. He says there are some people who they just can't get past that. They can't get past the fact that they are looking at a screen but they're drying you know on a on a surface that they they are not looking at yeah and that that's kind of understandable. I mean someone who's just learning to touch type. Say It's pretty intimidating because you have to you have to teach it yourself with the layout and everything so there are a lot of tablets out there now where there's also displayed built into the tablet itself so you're drawing hang on the tablet. It's also being reflected on display on a computer but you can look down and see what you're doing. Yeah that way you can make these adjustments also he talked about the the benefit of moving from harasser based system to a vector based system. We've talked about this before pastors all Pixel based right yeah well vector is math based. Yes the line art line art which is and the Nice thing about vector graphics is that it's it's relatively of. Lee Easy to adjust lines after you draw them yeah so you can reshape align much more simply with a vector based drawing than you could with roster where you would a centrally half to a race what you did draw it again so there's some illustrators and animators out there who they're just used to it. They'll be they'll draw a line. Take notes that curves not right in the race draw well. It's closer but it's not what I want and they'll erase it and they'll draw another line but then with the vector based ones you could draw a line and say. Ooh What I just need to tweak. It's a little bit and it's going to be exactly why need so that helps cut down on on a lot of stop and start work and also the inking and painting part is much more much simpler. Now you have a huge variety of colors. You can choose from depending upon what sort of programs are using You don't have to worry about it not being consistent from one shot to the next because it's all digital so that that code uh of color is going to remain the same no matter what yeah and you might even be able to use some effects in some software to create lighting effects effects that you don't have to necessarily do yourself yeah so it would know that all right if you're going to put a shadow of this intensity over this particular picture it needs to adjust the color to look like that so that you know so that it's natural to the viewer yeah so that's really changed changed. The way illustrators animators have created our work. I know there are a lot of people who create web comics who exclusively use tablets now for the longest time they would what do all their art on paper and they would scan the paper and they would upload the art that way so you have to do it that way guys at Penny Arcade used to do it that way and then they they all began to switch over using digital tablets and almost every single one I hear the animator or or the artists talking either in in a blog or podcast. Whatever about how the initial transition period is incredibly painful and frustrating and then after they get past the learning curve they're like? I don't know why I didn't do this earlier. As it makes things so much easier and so that's that's become sort of the new standard is using these this digital format to do hand-drawn animation and we also have seen some combinations of hand-drawn animation paired with with computer generated backgrounds so I know beauty the beasted that the big ballroom sequence with the dance and Angela lansbury singing and at stuff that had a computer generated background so you know we we're seeing some marriage of computer generated generated animation and hand-drawn animation happening and it's been going on for a while. It's not like feeding the beast was the first and only example straight one example Frank so you know I'm sure we'll see more of that. I'm glad to say that there are plenty of artists studios out there that still support hand-drawn animation nation because I think that there is something special to that. There's a feel hand-drawn animation has that's its own thing and I like that yeah. It seems like well at least in my opinion. It seems like there's a warmth to it. Yeah don't necessarily get yeah. There's an asterisk lear. You can't yeah the companies they're companies other like Pixar that can make you sob like a little baby was some computer generated graphics. Yeah Yeah Yeah and I I you can ask you can ask my wife. There is not a pixar movie that I see without me going look at the fill in the blank here like the water in finding Nemo or the hair for on sully in monsters absolutely blows my mind the story of the balloons in up where the computer Peter Modeling to determine how balloons would actually behave that kind of made me think of the maze the engine that would've built for the army's further rings. It's like let's take that technology and converted for helium balloons essentially what they did. That's fascinating stuff. There is there is a a I agree with Jonathan. There's a feeling that you get when watching hand-drawn animation that is different than the feeling that you get when you're watching a computer that doesn't doesn't mean much better or just different just different and you know lassiter of Pixar he would argue the same thing he has. You know we use at Pixar. We use computer animation because that's the tool use but to us. The most important part of any film is the story yeah and that ultimately the tool you use is nowhere near as important as the story is yeah so if your story is solid then as long as you are good using whatever tools you have. You should be able to tell that story effectively yeah now that if those tools were hand-drawn animation that's great and if it's computer animation that's great. There's no there's nothing wrong with either choice. 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And I literally cut the what part like under thumb. Yeah. The pad the on your hand part. Just like the round part of the hint. Yeah. I think you need a band aid. I had abandoned I took it off. I thought it was no no fine dog's going to put pressure off. Because as Terry says five minutes by the clock. That's all you need, by the way. What is shit Joe for New Year's Eve mine too? Okay. Tell me yours would have there's so so much because I think maybe we have to go backwards. Yes. Just a little bit. Because first of all I haven't seen. You know, have not spoken, and I feel like when was the last time I saw like Thursday. A last week. Yeah. Oh, right. So yep. I we went new, you know, part of this. But I'm going to tell you about art. So Terry bought tickets to the leaker game for Friday. And he's like I'm gonna take Katharina to a game. Like, you promised her that four years ago, and she doesn't care anymore. She go see wicked. But he cares. He cares. So he wanted to go. He's been a fortune on these seats, we go the American Express, they go to ticket master. They get the seats. And then Terry's like, oh, I don't want to go. I don't want to go, and I did not feel well and originally Chris was supposed to come with us. And he got sick so supposed to be christened Terry and me and cat K at KoKo head was like whatever back ball. Like, why am I doing that? And we thought it was too late for her and whatever So Chris gets sick. But he's still sick twice. Not coming sideswipe daily birthday dinner. I know poor guy. He got really sick. He went down hard and Terry. We've tried calling American Express to see. Cancel tickets. Can we sell mom like what can we do? Because part of it was the brothers. Taking cat, even though cat doesn't want to go. And I was the tag along. Yeah. Okay. Cut to now, you know, wants to buy them. Oh because LeBron James. Got injured. Oh, no days before we're going. And so it was like a cluster, you know, and wanted to buy the we were going to go anyway. But whatever, so we'll guess what you spend for John. We're going. So he's like, well who do we bring Nikki was in big bear ready? Whenever I go. We're gonna bring CoCo it's going to be great. So I make reservation against so you in the form of go up and have you ever been to that area down have? Yes. So, you know, LA live right across the street. So they have ice skating right now. Oh, fine. Like a little mini Rockefeller Center. We didn't do any of that. I'm just like so we'd get that we drive up there. And everyone's in. I'm like, let's have a great time. And let's make this work. We get to cat. So yet had a fantastic dinner ran into Dr Matt lick our pediatrician. Oh, that's so franchise. She wanted the game to. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And she was laughing. She had a similar to kind of Scituate. Oh, yeah. It's really, okay. Here we go. So but ever known a good mood, and we're drinking, and we're laughing and we're carrying on and we get to the seats and we're walking down in walking down towards the O before we even get in. They keep telling us to go to a different door and it's freezing outside and we're literally running around the staple center a little bit late. So we're like running when we finally get in get to the thing. We're walking. Down down down. And you know, you feel really cool. Yeah. You like backstage pag. So we get closer and closer and closer. Now the way they looked on the like the seating chart when you look at it. It looked like there's floor seats, which are literally on the floor. And I think there's two or three row on the Florida. This was the first row above that. So I think it's technically like the fourth row third or fourth. There's an island between writing there's an island between and then there's this road, which should be a little higher. So that's really good. So you could sit. Well, we get to the seats and they're singing the national anthem, actually, this this very talented young man is playing the violin. Okay. So we're standing we're like, wow. These are the best. He's ever we sit down. And literally, I gotta post a picture. This literally in front of us is the most enormous Gatorade setup that is. So tall. It's not just a little low Gatorade. Yeah. It is a huge tall, honest stand. Gatorade thing with multiple areas of cups and things that so high. You can't see above it. It's so high you almost can't see the entire screen if you just wanted to watch the game from the screens dock, and there's a security guy sitting there also blocking the entire thing. And I said to my go does this Gatorade thing move it. He's like, Nope. It's always here. The guy sitting so we have these four seats, right? The guy sitting in seat five like to the right of us has a perfect seat. Yeah. It's literally those four seats that are completely obstructed view. It's like sitting behind a poll. Oh, my and you know, we have you ever gone to a concert, and they say like partially obstructed via your have to just legally they have to tell you that they have to and this security guard said it's always this way. And these seats are always blocked, and I will tell you that these seats were more expensive than ones that were like a few seats down. Yeah. That we easily could have picked up, but it looked like they were on the corner, and they were a better view, and they were more expensive. So you're kind of Suming, right? It was a disaster. Or terry? I'm looking at him. And he's going like what? So I moved to the writer most seat. I put CoCo on my lap Katharina is bored out of her mind. I don't know how. But we kind of made the whole thing work watch the screen cat. Coco could see above 'cause she was sitting on my lap. So I could see out thing. Yeah. But I mean, I just like being at home I had popcorn and I had pretzels. And we'd cotton candy got down. You have to make the best of it. Right. Make the best of it. And I didn't want to be like neck, I'm bleeding. I just put on him that. Such going to bleed kit a little I'm just it's so bad. Anyway. So I also I don't want the kids to be so tearing are super picky. Like, I'll tell you later about last night, which was after new years the shit show of New Year's, and I cannot wait to hear about your show. But oh and small thing people say if you have a bad new years, you have a great year. I've never heard that. But me go away with it. So when we were at dinner lists like literally he switched tables three times. Oh my gosh. We're so picky and the kids know it, and I don't want them to be so picky because when if it when I'm with them alone. And we sit down somewhere the look at me like to move, and I just sit wherever we are. Right because I want to appear very no low maintenance. So they don't care. So I want them to always make the best things and not be like the sad. Yes. Whatever cocoa had the best time ever. She was living her best. She loved it. She wants to go every week with those seats, but she wants to go every. Oh, that's awesome. Okay. At least they had a good. Oh, yeah. She'll still going to try and she told me that I couldn't come next time. She wanted to go along with tariffs. And I'm like you're sitting on my lap. I'm getting all the trees, I made this fun for everyone. And you want to go back with hand zero credit, whatever, man. So that was our evening. We did that and getting out of there was a little bit of a nightmare. But we ended up getting out of their fine. And then it's funny. I can't really really remember. We did for the rest of weekend. But I think I took cocoa to the spectrum ice skating and to Dave and Buster's k we spent like a really good three hours at Dave and Buster's together. I feel like you told us that though. Yeah. I thought that I have no collection. Now, I'm just bleeding out. And so we from bleeding are. Anyway, I don't remember what we did all we can. But I'm sure it was just super fun. Don't remember. He would south coast. Right. I thought you had a moment. There did go to sell go to on key at that. You were going to go. We didn't end up going on Kiwi did some really random. Mm-hmm. Dinners, and again, we went to we went to mastro's alone one night. I think Friday what are the days? We went to on key. No ain't got on keep you went to south coast plaza. 'cause they went to go return something he got me for Christmas. That was pretty fun boy the mall was so crowding it can imagine. Oh, it was sane. Yeah. I don't remember we want. I don't remember all I know is that we had just a lot of togetherness and a lot of eating and drinking and festivities and definitely went to the gym took some naps hung out. That was okay. All right. You tell me about mine. Mine short and sweet. Oh, no. Let's I heard from. Yes. You decided that Riley was going to leave work early. And you were not going to go to Lido, and you were going to he was gonna come home and you're gonna eat champagne eat, caviar Drik champagne. Yes. And whatever. So I was going to go to Lido, and we we were going to leave early. So I was still going to spend it with him for a little bit. I missed that park. So I go to dinner with my girlfriend at no. Oh, boo. And I was at its it was really good. It was really it was excellent. It was really really good. And it was packed. And so we sit down it was probably net. It's it was really early. So we started really early. So we probably started having cocktails like around four o. I z. Not good. Oh, so it was like four o'clock, and we're sitting there, and we start with like, a cocktail, and then we do sake. And then we go back to a cocktail. By like, by the end of dinner. I'm definitely like feeling it. And I'm like, ooh this. I was I felt like I was it was a good buzz, right? Probably not he said when I walked into Lido. I was definitely like drug by that point, which I probably was now thinking back, but like that I was I was fine again in a mask and the whole deal. I didn't I just like sparkley little like panned with like a little strapless top. It was killed. So we sit at the bar and he walks over. He's like, I could just tell that you like just the way you were looking at me and. But I set at the bar from like sev- like yelich seven to maybe ten thirty my girlfriend like she left early. It was just me. I was sitting there. I was drinking. I don't remember. Honestly, the whole like last part. I don't remember the Lido part. But I was just sitting there. I know I didn't make an acid myself. But it was just sitting she left and you said at the bar by yourself because she was gonna leave early anyways. We had already talked about sitting downstairs around the rooftop downstairs. I didn't even go upstairs. I don't think I'd. But I know I didn't. 'cause like a scene. I think it was just sitting there. I I think no, no, he he would have told me anyways. And then we went home. But by that point, he was already irritated with me. Because he was like you ruined it like you got to drunk, and now we're supposed to have this really nice moment. And I'm like, well, let's I still wanna have caviar and they still want to extend because just enjoy it. I thought I was being fine. I think I was being a little stubborn. And so I still take out the caviar still do the whole thing. And he just couldn't get an like a word edgewise because I just was like being really stubborn, and I remember that. And then Finally, I was like, okay. Maybe I am a little bit tipsy. And then it just we went to bet like it was just not great Jesus caviar part of it. He was like you're not going to remember this tomorrow. Like, why are you even like eating this was it good or do you not? I mean, I thought it was good. But anyway, so then the next day we ended up having that moment we had like a really nice time. I was so hung over. But I didn't caviar. I know knows at night. But I was like trying to like hold in my hung over nece because I was like I didn't want to irritate them. So that was fine. And you at dinner at home, we had dinner at home. We had dinner with caviar with our champagne like we had a really nice moment. But oh man did I screw that one up. Not good. And I hadn't really been eating because I was trying to any. That's a problem know, by the way, did I ever tell everyone what I bought you for Christmas. No. Did you use them? We didn't use them last night. No. I don't know why we didn't. I I bought people. I got yesterday. I wanted to know I bought Natalie. Would you want to tell no you can tell I got her a bottle of Krug and these two Bach rot champion fluids? But they're red. Yes. Because when you're Jewish read wards off evil spirits. It's good. It's kind of hard it so beautiful. They're pretty I think he wants to like save them for release special occasion. He's very particularly you should be taking them out constantly now, it'd be taking every night. That's what I tell them all the time. I know you gotta. You know, what drink your wine, you know, that? That. Terry knight. And I'm sure I've told this, but we were so drunk at Oprah's one gazillion years ago and bought oh, my gosh cases and gauges of ninety four ninety all these amazing years. We never drank them waited too long and wine can sometimes actually get old. Yeah. And which is a bummer though. I know. All right. So I remember a little something that happened before the New Year's Eve alkyl, so Nikki was away K, and we had the girls max at a friend over. And we went to dinner quiet women, and I don't really want to tell the details of it. Because max get mad at me. But she was so awful. I think we were all just a little hormonal. And it was it was awful to the point where she very nicely. Like texted me later and said, I'm sorry. Can we start over? Okay. Because it was bad her friend who was even looking at her like what the heck she had a friend of. Yeah. It was just really sometimes that happens when they have a friend. I think she was really hormonal, and I think. Also, when you're fifteen years still, you don't know how to handle all of those of you know, hormones and roller coaster, emotions and the whole thing. And yeah, I don't know. But it wasn't. There was a few moments like that I have to say this whole holiday season. I'm never staying home. Again, really, miss know. It is too many days at home that is what I'm going to tell you because not that I need to go away for two weeks. I need to we need to do something because everyone is like all of a sudden fraction aids. Like these to want to do this. And that one doesn't like doing that. And that when likes to do to get irritated with each other. When it's almost like two like, I need to take do think it was like taking her to Dave and Buster's yesterday cat and KoKo wanted to go ice skating right with their friends, and I wanted to take the I hop because it was the last day the Grinch panga, so I take them and we had like a lovely time. But the truth is wasn't hanging out with cat and KoKo. I was hanging out with their friends moms, right which and there's thank goodness. There's amazing cool women like being with them. But it was like. They're eating we're sitting over here. And then there is skating were sitting in the in the gray. You almost wish you would've done something together. Like, I was happy that they were happy. But that's like an event I didn't need to necessarily be out. I could have been spending time with max or Nikki, right? I don't know why I think after being apparent for fifteen years, and because I have four kids I like doing things with them when they're participating with me. 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So they had a friend that was having a party, and there were gonna sleep at this other girls house, and then they weren't going to do that. And I told her to have friends at our house that was fine. And so it was like a very back and forth. They didn't know what they wanna do K. So basically the night started with them figuring out their plans, Nikki got altitude sickness oh in big bear. So he's calling me every five minutes, which is fine. Because I feel terrible. I feel terrible from only got I'm literally can lease. No. It's like, oh, don't say. This is Heather thing. No. It's it's it's totally. Yeah. So anyway, so he's calling me every five seconds. And finally, I'm like, I'm giving him all the sweet mom things you to go take a shower. You have to stay hydrated. Do you have any more Zo Fran like did it? And then Finally, I called Julie, the mom. He's with is just give him Benadryl. Let them go to say. Yeah. So we had no nears eve. I basically knocked his ass out. And he went to bed, but I was like dealing with like a couple of hours imacs at her plans. Finding a way for them to get here hither and yon because then they weren't having people at the house, and then can't and cocoa. We're supposed to go to dinner. Those two the earliest dating of bathrooms, and then they refused to come. And they didn't want to get dressed and they wanted to stay in their pajamas. And why do we have to go, and then tear it I looked at each other? And we're like why are we making them go two minutes up the road? And at that point without max was going to be here. So it was like to stay home. And then Katharina found out that her whatever best friends was going to be at mastro's. So last minute she was like I want to go. Now, she wants to go. So now, I'm like in the last five. Oh moments of getting dressed, and we were going like early bird special five thirty. So I said to Cadillac will you gotta get cocoa. 'cause now max was going out. Okay. So I go to get cocoa. So finally cocoa's by reservation was at five fifteen. This was so funny, and I called mastro's I tell you this now I called measures and like so or reservations at five fifteen because I because they've to seatings. Yeah. The first one's regular menu. Second one is like the fancy New Year's Eve party, which I would assume starts at nine. Okay. So the second seating started at seven thirty. Okay. And I guess they do that. In case, people are lingering from the first seating. They have to change the tables. What have you know? Like, we go there all the time. We're not gonna kick you out, you know, whatever just come whenever K. So I finally get them dressed get everyone in the car. I remembered to bring the champagne I wanted hundred we go down to masters and her friend is sitting at the next table. Oh, Mike literally at the next table, which is great except now they're just texting each other. Meal. Lindsey told me that masters serves caviar. Okay. Now, I did not know this. How many years have you been going to master? So they did not so Terry. And I were there also like five days prior four days, and they showed it to me. And they just started carrying Petrosian. Oh, interesting. Isn't that crazy? So and they do a really nice beautiful, caviar. He's at up. Yeah. Blinis and everything and they did cucumbers for me. It was really nice anyway. So Coco's plant wants to play flappy golf with us on her phone while we're sitting there, the wind is whipping and unlike because you know, the wind has been so bad lately. A specially up here. Oh, I'm here. It's like scary. Ada there's noises and things are falling. You don't know if he's going to crash into the windows. It's crazy. Okay. But we're sitting there. No cocoa's cold cranking. The heaters got blankets Burr, we're eating. I finally make the the phones away and stop texting the friend and Terri knows right. Those things right. Have time to do it. Because of the crazy like getting ready and getting in the car, and he he had worked. Okay. Did he work on the thirty first? No, he didn't work. Why was he laid? Maybe I you know, what I can't remember. But anyway, he hadn't written it yet. And I had written mine and the whole thing. So we usually bring it with us to dinner. But I couldn't bring it because there were too many adult things in what I had written about the past year. So I said, we'll just do it when we get home. We'll have to eleven after dinner drink, and we'll do it that. So we have the dinner and the dinner was mostly good. I'm not going to tell you. It was amazing. I'm going to tell you. It was good good because you just had to deal with all of the kids, I own Ed balloons up. And I know it's the first seating. But it's still New Year's Eve. There was no noisemaker. There was no crown had. The live music did start until like six thirty. Okay. So you're now just didn't feel like crazy festive just felt like a regular night at mastro's. Frankly. Now, we'll tell you this. We ended up the meal was good. Although, oh, so I ordered lamb chops never ordering lamb chops and master's, again, I'm telling you something ever since Larry's bought them five years ago. Sick whatever it was their meat supplier, just changed and it's just not the same. And they were good for a while. And now, they're just always fatty and grows whatever, but cocoa had ordered salmon that she didn't eat, but she masturbated into a thousand pieces. So I ate her salmon mush K had my caviar eight her seven mush and ate all the sides. And then they had butter cake, and whatever and we went home. Now, we left the restaurant at stay there pretty long. I mean, we'd probably left at eight forty five. Okay. It was still pretty empty. I gotta tell you. No. It didn't. And the manager told me they had some cancellation interesting. I don't know if it was the. I don't know if people got sick right here. I don't know. But it was weird. 'cause I've been there on New Year's Eve for where it was back. Yeah, we go home, and then all hell breaks loose. So first of all and Nikki's texting me because he woke up Benadryl and count. When can you take more digging? Oh my God. I don't wanna overdose. This child on Benadryl. Some dealing with him. Max is at now at the friends house and feel sick. And what's to come home? But I can't put her in an Uber at night on New Year's Eve we're talking like after midnight or right before midnight. But still it's like now what like ten nine thirty ten o'clock. It was too late. She wasn't going to get a car for hour because it was taking so long to get the cars, and we couldn't drive we'd been drinking for two and a half hours. You know, it was like couldn't do it. So I'm like, you gotta stay there and whatever. So she stays there give Nikki another Benadryl. He goes to sleep. And then we played games with the girls. Tearing are looking at each other. He's like all right. Let's do those things and. He like he scribbled his thing out. And we read them to each other. It was really lame. Yeah. The girls went into the other room to watch something on TV we're like, let's call it. So everyone goes to bed and this is before midnight way before it was like eleven thirty eleven go to sleep Nair. Cocoa comes in. Okay. Like, two hours later. And so she's in the bed like hitting me and kicking me, and I'm up all night. She's been in my bed constantly, and so then Terry leaves and then the wind is so bad cat. Get scared. She comes in. And so she's in the bed the two of them. And I can't take any more on the two of them are now arguing with each other in the bed at three thirty four o'clock in the morning. So I got up and I left and I went to sleep go-goes. Uber Terry and it's so bright in her room. And like at six o'clock, I looked at Terry. And I'm like, did we even have a New Year's kiss? And he turns everybody kisses because what is shit. Oh, my max was texting Terry all night. Oh, I can't you come get me, blah, blah, blah. She came the next day. Yes. Oh my goodness. We got up a nears day. We went to the gym. We came home. We felt much better. Okay. And everyone regrouped we also we watched rich crazy crazy, rich, Asians. Did you see the movie? No, it's cute. It is it's cute. It's fun. Saw that we. Hung out with the kids. We played a little bit with everybody and. Oh in Nikki came. Oh, I was we went to the gym came home. I left. The did the I hop did do it. Yeah. I did. That was New Year's day. I hung out with everyone in the morning. And then Terry wanted to do whatever you wanted to do. And and Nikki was on his way home and max, which is wanted to be allowed lizards, I took cat and KoKo from like, you know, I don't know twelve thirty to five thirty. Okay. And did all that. And we got home at five thirty. But we know it was really cute. Nikki felt so if you've never had altitude sickness, it's it's similar to being pregnant when you're really sick, or when you have pre eclampsia, and you're so sick. Like the moment, you feel better you feel so much better. Now that it's like shot it like shocks your world. Wow. So is and I kept telling you, I swear to God babies soon as you get to like two thousand feet, you're going to feel like a million bucks. Yeah. And he said they were coming down the hill. And at one point it just stopped. Oh my God. He was a new person. And then pour Julie got sick not altitude sickness, but like six six so she was throwing up there. Oh such a disaster for them to. And so I walk in the house after the ice skating, and Nikki Hurd, my voice because you have to go find him probably in the fortnight, you know, wormhole hear my voice came out news like mom, and I was like. Hard to beat. He looked so big so tall. And he was so cute. And so sweet, oh, so I got them a little bit. And then I said deteriorate. Let's go out alone. He's like, yes. Let's do it. And we went over to fashion island hotel. Okay, had dinner there. I have to say we really all the time for dinner when it was palm terrace and it got out of our rotation. The food is so good there. It really is. Excellent. Okay. So it made up for the night before. Yes. But we switch tables three times. Okay. Because they didn't like the seats here. And I knew someone in the restaurant, very embarrassing girl, Christina and I had to whispered her does it's not it's not me. No. But we sat me this really lovely meal, and we had some drinks, and it was great. And so I bought cocoa. She said that if I bought her o'clock, she would stay in her room. Okay. And I know they have those clocks that go green yellow red says when you're allowed to come out. She's a little too old for that. But she wanted this Batman LEGO clock. And it's big it's like, you know, I don't know foot big had a big LEGO thing, and you press its head and the screen will light up k and so I got it for her. And it's working. Okay. So two nights ago, she came in at four AM. And then last night, she came at five fifteen so it's getting better or matter. The good news is not that. This was good for Terry. But he had to leave at five. So he was gone and she came in. And she goes, where's daddy? And I said he had to go to work, and she was like, I'm sorry. She's like, but because she came in, and I go, and I looked at the time I go. No, I'm so proud of you. It's five. Fifteen you waited an extra hour. That's crazy. So she was so happy about that. My god. I can't believe it. She'll be she'll be in her own room before you know, it she'll be staying there. Oh, I so certainly hope so thank you guys so much. Thanks for listening to Heather do rose world. Download episodes every Tuesday at podcast one dot com, that's podcast owing dot com. AP radio news. I'm Maguire the partial government shutdown over border issues, not likely to end until Friday at the very earliest Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell on the floor speech says the House Democratic plan to vote on funding eight shuttered departments. And continuing funding for the department of homeland security and the next month without an increase of President Trump's border law won't fly one partisan vote in the house tomorrow is not going to solve anything. I made it clear to the speaker. We're not interested in having show votes in the Senate. We're interested in bringing up something houses passed sixty senators we'll support and the president will sign. Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer accuses Republicans and the president of holding federal workers, and the public hostage hope that they will not use the American people the millions who depend on these eight departments and the workers who are either not working or not getting paid as hostages to have a temper tantrum pound the table and say, it's our way. Well, we heard all these people the partial shutdown now in its twelfth day has furloughed about four hundred thousand federal workers with a similar number working without pay an announcement made after the closer trade today is likely to have an impact when the markets open tomorrow. Warren Levinson explains apple CEO, Tim cook sent shareholders letter saying revenue for the fourth quarter will be around eighty four billion. Dollars well below the ninety one billion Wall Street had been expecting the biggest factor is a slowdown in the demand for new iphones, especially in China where the economy has been slowing and domestic brands are starting to capture some market share cook said the president's tariff war with China doesn't help although it hasn't directly affected apple yet company. Shares had already fallen by a third since early October. They fell again in post.
Stats & Eggs Ep. 2 - Jalen Hurd done for the year, Dee Ford looks good
"Good Morning, I'm rob stats. Today is Tuesday August eighteen, th two, thousand and twenty, and here's what's happening with your San. Francisco Forty niners. With padded practice in the books the biggest news from San Francisco on Monday was the injury to second year wide receiver Jalen. Hurd. Heard went down without contact during individual drills of Sunday's practice before walking off the field under his own power while the injury was initially thought to be minor we now know that her has a torn acl and will miss the entire season. Here's forty nine head coach cow. Shanahan. Pretty unfortunate thing form. We know what he went through last year with his back and the guys worked as hard as anyone on our team to get back in for him. To, get hurt before he actually got to go out there and just a freak thing on air cutting really felt bad for the guy but he'll be back next year heard is now the third forty niners wide receiver to sustain an injury before the first week of padded practices joining deebo Samuel who broke his foot and Richie James who broke his wrist obviously that now leaves the forty niners pretty thin and wide receiver at this point in training camp something that was not lost on Kyle Shanahan yesterday it's been a little tough deal with receivers right now you know we've lost three guys before we. Even practiced who in are expected to make the team you know you always got to compete, but you know the three guys who made it last year so not having Deebo not having Richie now, losing heard put us in a little bit of a bind just trying to get through this helped huge in those two guys yesterday and we'll probably have to get another guy here coming up. In case you're wondering some of the biggest free agent wide receiver names out there include three time pro bowler, Dez Bryant and four time all pro Antonio Brown Brian hasn't played since two thousand seventeen but is to. Have a workout with the ravens this week. Brown. On the other hand played last year but suspended for the first eight Games of two thousand twenty after pleading no contest to felony and misdemeanor charges stemming from an altercation with the driver of a moving truck earlier this year more injury news for Monday's practice. Eric Armstead was in full pads with the rest of the team but did not participate in practice. He could however make his practice debut on Thursday. Defensive Back K. Juan Williams has a great one calf strain according to multiple sources. The team will take it slow with them until he's one hundred percent. On the field yesterday, definitely belong to the defense especially D Ford who continues to look much healthier after having surgery, it's clean out his knee this off season Ford Notch six and a half sacks last year despite playing just twenty two percent of the team's defensive snaps. One more note for you yesterday, I mentioned the stalemate between left tackle Trent Williams and defensive end Nick Boza not the case on Monday the two players went against each other one on one nine different times in practice and Williams did not allow a single quarterback pressure. Kyle Shanahan said afterwards quote Trenton hasn't played in a while, but it doesn't look like it. Every day on this show, we're going to give you something to read something to watch and something you have missed something to read on this Tuesday Mike Silver's article on NFL DOT com, taking you inside the contract negotiations between the team and star tied George Kibble find out why the forty niners I offered. Kettles agent was so bad. He called it the Saint Valentine's Day massacre for more forty niners news and notes. You can always check out niners nation DOT COM to keep you up to date. When you're not listening to this podcast of course, speaking of the star tight end something to watch today is George kills. Wardrobe stay with me here last year kiddle wars shirt featuring a photo of a bare chested Jimmy Garoppolo. Jimmy G. Then reported team this year wearing a shirt that had a photo of kittle in his bare chested. Garoppolo, shirt kid decided to up the ante even more yesterday appearing on NFL network wearing a shirt of Jimmy Garoppolo wearing a shirt of, George, kill wearing a shirt with Jimmy Garoppolo on it. You got that and finally something you may have missed a little good news to start your day not a single person. Went on the NFL's reserve covid nineteen list yesterday, and there were three more players activated off that list as of this recording only eleven players in the entire league are on the COVID nineteen list. That's it for today, stats and eggs. Be Sure to keep an eye out later today for the four one, five podcast featuring nine or nate and me on the niners nation odd cast network I'm Roz, Guerrero, we'll talk tomorrow.