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Patriots Free Agency Spending Spree Continues | Alex Barth | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar

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Patriots Free Agency Spending Spree Continues | Alex Barth | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar

"And here the really get started but Alex another day where Bill Belichick made another Splash spending spree continues Hunter Henry three-year contract. This one took me by surprise. I figured they were done with the tight ends after they signed jonnu Smith on Monday. That's not the case though. They had another one. We're getting our can back to Iraq and Hernandez here with the two tight-end sets and the 12 Personnel. We're going to get it to all those details here in a second. But first just your initial reaction where you as surprised as I was about the fact that Hunter Henry is now a New England Patriot. Well, I think I said it to you unfortunately off the air, I think either right before or right after we were alive yesterday that now watch them go sign Hunter Henry and then I kind of thought about it and I was like, yeah, let's let's see them go sign Hunter Henry because I talked about yesterday, right Johnny Smith is more like he's an untapped potential signing. Upside is. What can they turn them into its how do they use him to maximize his Effectiveness and everybody apparently on the hunter Henry guy. I didn't realize I was as in on him as as some people thought cuz people were treating it me. I actually, you know, I was a great player other one is a little overrated but great player, but my favorite thing about the hunter Henry signing isn't life under adding Hunter Henry on his own great signing in a bubble. You signed a good player. I thought they got him in a good price awesome. My favorite part about it though is the context of all the other moves. They've made them because Hunter having Hunter Henry having that traditional in line up the scene tight end just totally unlocks new potential for what they can do with John who Smith and how they can love Johnny Smith. It's complimentary football in the off-season. I think that might be by definition Peak Bill Belichick complimentary signings. But yeah, I was stoked. I don't know if you saw the video game. Of zolak and Bertrand reacting a 98.5 a similar reaction that marked it screaming no way. No way. No this great signing and it makes the Johnny Smith signing even better. So they got a twofer with this one. I also feel like it makes Nelson Aguilar signing and the can Kendrick Bourne signing a little bit makes more sense because I think we came on the show yesterday and I spoke to be excited about Johnny Smith. I think it's a good signing. I was relatively excited about it. Right but I still felt like they were kind of missing that topped off right itself felt like you need any and we mentioned that through talked yesterday about like the receiver, right? So we mentioned maybe going through the draft for like a Jaylen waddle or something like that to get another pass-catcher because it's still felt like they were missing that number one guy, but now it doesn't because you have Hunter Henry and Johnny Smith who are just too great complimentary pieces as you mentioned as well. Have this weapon is offensive weapon of a forest of both guys together making things happen for defense has now Nelson Aguilar becomes kind of your third option in the offense or maybe even a fourth option. If you want to factor in Jacobi Myers into the equation right and things start to make a little bit more sense in terms of the hierarchy of the offense. I think that what you mentioned to you about the complimentary p as it's just so telling that the Patriots are building an actual team here. This is not going out to spend just to spend Bill Belichick's not playing fantasy football. He's not playing Madden right making very smart decisions of how he is spending his money and the main thing with Hunter Henry and John, who is that okay, you have this offensive line. I know they still have to figure out the center position, but they have this offensive line that is going to be a bully right you got trimmed Brown Michael on Winnie Shaq Mason, you got these huge guys on the o-line that can really run block and really blow guys off the ball. Now, you got a stable of running backs they bring back. Noon, I don't know if he's going to necessarily be the quarterback. But I think it's going to be somebody mobile as the quarterback position. You have a stable of running backs with Sony and Damien Harris leading the way and now you got these two tight ends the possibilities off of play-action off of misdirection off of using the Run game as sort of the main component of the offense and then working off of that. You can build so many compliments into that right and they they're they should be a team that is close to the league leaders in terms of play-action percentage right? There should be a hunter Henry up to seem jaanu over the page or whatever they want to do, you know to to make those guys work in terms of Route combinations and in route trees and stuff like that off of play-action and that's going to just open up so much especially back when you have big Mike and Shaq Mason pulling in your grill. You're going to be like, whoa, I got to step up into this Gap and there goes Hunter Henry by you up to seem right. So one thing that our beer through out there that I think is really interesting. Was that the Patriots had a conversation with both Johnny Smith and Hunter Henry and sold them on that Gronk and Hernandez office right and said we can do this again with you guys. And I think the Patriots looked at it the landscape. We talked a lot about wide receivers and stuff like that and in before free agency, I think they saw that they could get similar production in terms of run blocking a month already receiving ability from those two guys for the price of probably what Kenny golladay is going to get in one year, right, you know pretty close to the top of the wide receiver market and there's a reason why the wide receivers are not moving right now there there's a bunch of wide receivers that still remain on sign and it's because they're asking for a big amount of money and there's just not a lot of cap space left in the league to be able to give Kenny golladay twenty million dollars a year to give will Fuller sixteen Seventeen million dollars a year those contracts just haven't been there for those players because the these teams don't have the exact. Space in the Patriots went for the value at the tight end position instead. So they end up paying Hunter Henry and John Smith. Something was like eleven twelve million dollars a year and they get two guys that can be really good within the framework of their offense took it over paying for one of those name brand wide receivers. Yeah, and somebody mentioned Josh McDaniels and I think now all the focus has to go to him. Right and he got left out of the coaching search and all of that and this is Faith if he wants to get back in that Spotlight. He's going to have a chance this year didn't set up perfectly for his style of offense for what he wants to do is just going to be about putting the pieces together getting everybody in the great place. I don't know, you know, we'll see what happens with the quarterback but pending that I don't know if you could ask for more Josh McDaniels offense in terms of the Personnel, you'll have out there the Personnel who have it is disposal. So, you know, it's going to be really interesting kind of to see what he draws up and I'm wondering, you know, do we get a preseason this year? And right now the NFL is saying that dead The off-season, you know OTAs Etc. That's still going to be virtual as it stands right now. So the preseason is kind of the next big question and this is kind of what Dooms some of these teams sometimes I'm not seeing the Patriots are quite there. But when you bring in a lot of additions it once chemistry becomes the issue and just familiarity with the system. I'm now wondering, you know, are they get a chance to kind of try some of this new stuff? And are we going to get a chance to see it in a preseason? I know they'll have practice but it's live reps against another team or different or you know, are they going to hit the ground running week one? It's not gonna make or break things. But that's kind of where I notice my mind going today is when's the first time we get to see this? Is it going to be in late July or is it going to be in early September? Yeah, and that's a really good question. I think what's cool about that is that oftentimes the Patriots don't want to show their hand in the preseason when we go out there and training camp. I don't know if there will be fans. Oh wow back at training camp in Gillette Stadium. And normally is and the practice fields behind the stadium. If there is not you know last year it was it was a group of reporters that got to go and myself included luckily and we got to be watching these things off and report on these things, but it wasn't we didn't see a ton of what they were really going to do with Cam. We saw glimpses of the read-option type of stuff that they might do or the RPO type of stuff that they might do but he wasn't they came out weak one in surprised us all even the guys that were at training camp. Right? So I think if there is still going to be some secrets that are going to be left uncovered until in the season you we've talked a lot about from Danielle's over the last two days though because I think that's a really key part about this. He has Hunter Henry and Johnny Smith Nelson Aguilar. I think those three guys are enough for this offense to be productive now, that's right. I think they definitely can be a top-10 offense depending on the quarterback, but and we're going to get to the quarterbacks in the second because that's the other element we were texting about this earlier is I'm not worried about how good of a signing home. Henry or jaanu or Nelson Aguilar is but is the quarterback going to be able to get them to football right? So that those two things I think are really now the next important things in this discussion, is is Josh McDaniels up for this right? Is he able to scheme up ways to get you guys involved and is the quarterback situation going to be good enough whether it's scam or somebody else that they're going to be able to move the football. Anyways, I just find it hard to believe that Bill Belichick just went out and spent almost three hundred million dollars and Counting and free agency to have Cam Newton be one of the least accurate quarterbacks in the NFL throwing to all of these high-priced receivers, right? This doesn't feel like an offense that wants to kind of do that. So I'm really interested to see what they do moving forward. Well, what do you want to get to the elephant in the room then not yet. Not yet. I want some things about Hunter Henry first because I we've talked a lot about the big picture stuff, but I do want to get break down his game just a little bit and then we can get to that point that we're dead. Really a lot of people internet some things today about a certain quarterback coming here. Maybe somebody that currently plays in the Houston area and we'll get to that fifties right? But but I would Hunter. I do want to mention a couple of things about his game that I really like and one thing that I think really stands out about him when you watch him cuz he's a really technically sound and smart route-runner. This is a guy that understands to get open at the NFL level. It's not just as a technique at the top of the route is really crisp. He's got a good job of kind of using his body using his positioning and being able to break off of Leverage and create separation at the top of the route bulb of this size and with his short area agility, but he also has a really terrible approach and how to get open and a lot of the times against the Chargers. You see guys that bracket coverage him, you know have a guy inside of him and have a guy outside of him and he just sort of understands what he's up against and he understands how to get open within that framework. You understand how to manipulate coverage and how to manipulate Defenders down the page. To get open and I need those are elements that not only bode well for just his production in terms of wherever he were to land in free agency, but in particular in the Patriots offense, that's always something that we talked about. Right? Why didn't you Kobe Myers been successful. It's because he's had he has a high football like you he understands how to get open in this routes and that's something that I think Hunter Henry does. Well also. And then he can clearly block. He's got the size of an inline site in just a great mix and match hear of Jonny Smith diverse dial off the line of scrimmage move tight end moving around the formation give them the brakes on situations to let him use as Yak abilities ball-carrying skills. You have that kind of move tight end type and then you have the traditional big-bodied between the numbers thread. Once you're dead. The Chargers occasionally would also line him up an X receiver and just let him go one-on-one against guys and use his size and his ability to box out and win contested catches just a really fun player, I think dog. Terms of just the traditional stuff that I tend does well Hunter Henry checks all those boxes and then John who can kind of be the athlete right? He can kind of be the space. And the guy in space at this scheme up and got the boss his hands. You can really think of a better complimentary one-two punch at a position and these two guys it might not be the traditional. You know, why it's not Randy Moss and Wes Welker right now. It's not the the one never and tight end but it's really it's a settlement and Gronk it's too tight ends, but I didn't get both of them do things a lot differently. And I don't think there's a ton of overlap in terms of what their thoughts are on the field. I think it's worth noting. So a couple of things we've talked about for a couple of years. Now, I think going back to the 2019 draft. They needed pass-catchers in I remember going into one of those for a Samsung the thing was they need three pass-catchers, whether it's two or three years in a tight end three receivers three tight ends, whatever they needed guys who could catch passes it never had to be at the wide receiver position. They filled that need a job. Got you know you kind of said it before they could have paid Kenny. Golladay what they paid both Hunter Henry and John who Smith now they have more options than they got a guy I think you know at first and Hunter Henry Kang see what happens with Smith who can be like a legitimate leading receiver. He's going to put up numbers, you know complimented maybe not Stephon Diggs, but any other receiver in the AFC East I think hunt country is going to be about on board with those numbers will see who Miami drafts especially around maybe touchdowns, right? I think the Red Zone and guys like yeah, this is a stretch I think both guys. Maybe not both at the same time, but I could see either one of them with double-digit touchdowns this year. I think we both I think that's possible. We're going to get we keep on saying is it depends on the quarterback, quarterback? So the one-off other points I wanted to make is I've seen some people say well build in habit. I tend so he went out and signed the two best tight ends. Technically he did that but that's not there's more Nuance to it. That's nice. What this is right? It's not like he signed Hunter Henry and and Gerald every not to troll ever. It is as good as John who Smith but complementary. These are two guys who are going to do different things to fill different roles. They built an offense with this move. It just so happened to be that they were the two top tight ends in the class that the two top tight ends in the class were two different sorts of players so off this isn't spending money for the sake of spending money. You can see the plan here at least at the tight end position. You can see the design here. There's a direction now that they're starting to follow and and and maybe this is Jacob in heaven if you're ready. The only question left is whose operating this who's who's understood right? And and that's a that's a good lead-in and we'll go there and just two seconds, but I do want to plug our YouTube channel here for a second scribe to Patriots, press pass on our YouTube channel if you like what you're hearing from me and Alex right now, or if you liked us in the past if you hit subscribe and you turn on your name Occasions and you'll be notified every single time that we go live on Patriot's be so you'll get a notification in your inbox. 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You're going to hear injury-prone through a lot isn't right with one season. And then he people that he hasn't played sixteen games. He's played 12 14 14 and 13 like he and it's been weird things when she breaks his hand. He's he's a gamer he's going to play through it when he can he's been putting some unfortunate circumstances that I've made this point before the Chargers medical staff is bad dog. You know, it's bad when you when you know that a medical staff is bad at their job like think about how bad they have to be for that to stand out. They punctured the starting quarterbacks along this year. I wonder he gets into England who just overall thoughts their their stuff together a little more as an organization if they can take care of him a little better. So there's there's the hunter Henry injured question. What's going to be all fit in the room? Yeah, and I can tell you real quick about Hunter Henry. He has been in the same room and in the training room for all offseason so far already working out in California and he's ready to go. I think if the season started tomorrow, he'd this guy would already be ready to go back to the guys in the gym six days a week loves the game works at his craft. You know, he does all those little things right and he just needs to a better injury look. So the thing that elephant often we keep on teasing the Patriots. Or at least you know having I don't know what we want to call it. There's smoke. Let's call it smoke. All right, there is some smoke Jeff how the athletic we all know Jeff. He saw an article today saying why not DeShaun Watson? Well, you want you want some more smoke. I don't I'm seeing this from fans on Twitter. I don't maybe somebody can confirm it for us a pair of Mike Lombardi also mentioned it on NFL Network. Wow, so there's definitely if somebody can confirm that if somebody was watching NFL Network. I'm just seeing some people talk about it, but I'm just throwing that out there. There's definitely some smoke here and I'm not saying that there's anything close to being done but the Patriots have been active in the quarterback Market wage from the get-go since the this all kind of started and really right after you know, sort of the Superbowl. I guess that's kind of when the new legal tampering. Is right every month. Has been talking for weeks and the Patriots had been talking they've called the about the Sean Watson. They called about Russell Wilson. They've called pretty much about every veteran quarterback that's potentially be available and the trade parameters that I have heard thrown out there. If you want to talk about DeShaun and the one thing that Jeff wrote about in his article is at the Patriots are still some that are around thirty-five forty million dollars in cap space because of the way that they have structured all these contracts so far so they have still have plenty of cap space and DeShaun Watson is not necessarily. He's not going to be somebody that's going to be super expensive this year because his extension doesn't kick in fully until next year. So his cap it right now is very very reasonable. And with all that said this month trade structure that I have heard that's been thrown out. There is two first-round picks two second-round picks and two players coming back from New England and some of those players that have been floated or Stephon. Yep. More Isaiah Wynn, I don't think we need to start looking at this to Sean Watson thing as not a complete zero possibility chance of this happening. I don't know how you can possibly dislike it. I mean it's impossible to strike. And so I'm not sure what else we can say about it besides how great that would be if you're a pizza place. I I don't know cuz it feels like Houston's may be going through rebuilt why they'd want Stephon Gilmore, but maybe would trade Stephon Gilmore for for a first-round pick and then that picture, you know, we've talked about Gilmour and 15 to move up to 10:00. And then maybe that is part of it. You know, you move Houston further up the draft. But yeah, I I don't I don't think there's an overpay possible for John Watson. I've talked about like I don't believe any player in any sport is Untouchable because everybody has their price for first-round picks and Isaiah Wynn, sure, five first dog. Isaiah when sure I mean you're going to I think with this team Bill Belichick is built and most of these are four-year contracts, right? If you add to Sean Watson to this group here and you assume everybody stays healthy, of course, let's see how about four first-round picks or need those pics going to be above 28 overall 25th at most I mean you're going to be in the AFC Championship at least two of those four years probably closer to three months. Yeah, I think that you know, if it only takes to to first two seconds and two players even better that's you know, I think that that's probably a steal will see who the players are but I don't think it over pay here. I really don't think there is for the Patriots and I saw I think it was Albert Breer said that he doesn't know if Houston even if they had the best offer and even if Watson was okay with it, and that's the big issue here is would Watson okay to trade cuz he has to okay it and right now it sounds like he wants Denver or San Francisco and that's it. But you know, if that all went through I saw a dog. We're say Houston probably wouldn't want to trade him like he's speculating here. This isn't a report speculating. The Houston wouldn't want to trade Watson to the Patriots because the fans would hate it because of the history between the two organizations which I say since when do the Houston decision-makers care about making those fans happy that boat sailed to 3 years ago that with Jack Easter be at the helm if it comes down to Palm used to not wanting to piss off their fans. I'm not sweating it. I think it's a done deal if that's all it comes down to so, you know, there there's other obstacles there obviously, but you're right. I think we need to start, you know, not maybe it's not realistic yet. But I think it's fair to put it on the radar. We're we're out of the Pepe Silvia territory here with this right and I also think that a big reason why Bill Belichick went on a spending spree on offense was in order to make the Patriots more appealing to a guy like DeShaun Watson, right? Because when the list were originally came out for Deshaun for Russell Wilson for Matthew Stafford song The Patriots were not high on that list or were not on that list at all in some cases and it was because of the weapons. It was because of the lack of weapons. Well now you can come here and you can throw the two good tight ends. You can throw to Aguilar you can Thursday since you called me my now you have an office and they can still add another wide receiver. Do if you wants probably you probably should go out and have like Juju Smith Schuster, right? We probably couldn't if they if they traded for Russell Wilson, but just thought they were talking about watching with Watson specifically. I mean absolutely could still go out there and add another wide receiver and I think we should mention the wide receiver market right now is dark. It is a dark place right? There is not a bulb guys getting paid. There's a lot of guys on signs. You know, Curtis Samuel hasn't been signed Kenny. Golladay. I mentioned at the top has it been signed Juju has it been signed will Fuller hasn't been signed. You know, I can go right on down the list of all the big Nationwide ups that are still on the market because there's just not a lot of teams knocking on the door right now for those guys because of how much they're demanding in contracts and how little cap space there is around the lead. There's just nothing Have money to go around to some of these players. So I think that that's a fascinating aspect of it is that the Patriots went out and made their team quarterback friendly, right? They made their appealing Dead Nation for quarterbacks by all the moves that they have made so far. And if you're just on Watson all of a sudden you say hey, well, they're they're all they're building something in New England, right? This isn't you know, I'm Devon Asti, Asti and Jacoby Myers and damiere Byrd & to kill Harry any more, you know, they got some real NFL players over there that I can throw two. They got Bill Belichick. They got a great offensive line as well. There are some pieces here and the the elements with the DeShaun Watson as I remember, he played most of his career in Bill O'Brien's offense. That's an Earnhardt broken system. That's basically a DeShaun Watson, you know version of the Patriots offense. So this is a guy that has learned a very similar scheme over his career. So the transition into New England's play book is not going to be what Cam Newton just went through right? It's going to be a much easier 141 transition if you're deshong And the last element I'll mention with the Sean is I don't think anybody at this point is confused about Deshawn's skill-set from the pocket, but this is and now what is the best pocket passers in the NFL and we saw that last year in the match up when they went down there to Houston in lost to the Texans how great and how accurate and how timely DeShaun Watson could be with rose, especially between the number is a very accurate very quick processor a guy that really has learned to be Excel from the pocket and no longer is reliant on mobility and scrambling and you know scrambled drill plays like what we saw his rookie season when they played the Patriots and he was running around all over the place and make them crazy place. That's not him anymore necessarily that's like a secondary option for you right out for the main thing that the Sean Watson does now is carved defenses up but accuracy and precision from the pocket. So he makes a lot of things go and that Texans offense. He fits like a glove here in New England. Yep. Sean Watson back there who can do all those things from the pocket Dimension all the play-action stuff that they could incorporate. Now you have DeSean too and had Dad mobile elements still in your offense. Like they had with Cam. There's just so many things took like about making this move and lastly now that they've filled all of these holes and I put out there on Twitter earlier that I sort of felt like this was aiming for them to be in the market for a first-round quarterback trade up. Maybe it is more of a veteran guy like DeSean they have all of the draft capitals now that they can invest just in the quarterback position with a lot of their full pics, right if they have to pay a boatload of pics to get the Sean Watson they can do that now because they filled so many holes in the rest of the roster through free agency and they're not done yet. Right. They're they're definitely not done anger. Still going to be a couple more moves on both offense and defense for this team. Probably some lower-level move certainly, but there might be one or two semi big ones yet left. Yeah, yeah there could be and they've been kicking the tires. You know, we talked about it yesterday on running backs. For example, I still think Kyle Van Noy coming back to the Patriots is very much in play. I still think that retaining some thoughts are on free agents like guys like David Andrews and Adam Butler. It's certainly a possibility. They've been talking to guys like fournette Chris Carson some of those types of guys as well. So a lot of that wage I think is out there still for the Patriots to do and if they got a guy like DeSean who's not going to break the bank in his first year in the contract, then they can still do all those things. So it's a fascinating story life and I think it's worth talking about because a guy like Jeff how he doesn't just throw stuff out there for clicks, right? You know, this isn't right. He's not somebody that just kind of threats like similar when Mike Reiss says something right away that there is something sort of possibility some sort of, you know truth to the fact that it could actually happen. Well, so the other thing I'll say about it is because these are guys that generally like they've dog They're hearing things and sometimes teams like to put out misinformation helps way things and the other quarterback to keep an eye on a much less sexy name, although some in New England might disagree is Jimmy Garoppolo and San Francisco is reportedly one of the teams that's on Watson's list and you reported in in some other people have said that basically said Cisco hasn't closed the door on trading Garoppolo, but it's not going to happen until the next guy is in there specifically till the draft and that's basically not the Patriots timetable, right? They wanted the guy before free agency. That's why they signed Kathy Scott zolak today saying that he's here in the San Francisco isn't budging but I wonder now, you know, if you're the Patriots and suddenly you have all these pieces and then you know, maybe you just want San Francisco to know. Hey, we don't need Jimmy we can go get the Sean Watson we can borrow take your guy off the table and then you'll have nowhere to trade Jimmy to so to put like if if you want Watson, you know, you can go back. Him on your own time, but it's not always going to be there. We're we're moving on from Jimmy Garoppolo. We're not helping you now, we're competing with you. So maybe this is a and it could be both they could seriously be pursuing Watson and then the bonuses If it freezes up Garoppolo freeze up Garoppolo, but you know, maybe there's a little bit of a push for San Francisco to kind of get moving on that side of things because Garoppolo the one thing I know he can do. He's very good on play-action and you mentioned Evan at the top of the show. This is a this should be a play-action heavy offense. Obviously Deshawn watches the better option. Nobody needs to hear me say that but garage they end up with Garofalo and I been pretty down on him throughout this whole lot pretty much since he was drafted. Yeah, but they they could do worse than Jimmy Garoppolo in this offense. I think when we talk about them building that team that's not quarterback Centric you use the 2019 49ers as kind of a shining example of what that can look like and who's the quarterback of that team Jimmy Garoppolo. There you go dead. Yeah, Jimmy Garoppolo definitely operates in a very play-action heavy scheme right now. That's definitely most quarterbacks are better off of play-action. But Jimmy's ability to use play-action fakes and get the ball out quick look up something that has always been an intriguing quality of his at the Patriots have really liked before they re-signed Cam Newton. They did take the tires on Jimmy G to see if he was available via trade. They did have some discussions with about Forty Niners of what a trade would look like. So I think if Jimmy G did come available and the Niners let's say they trade for DeSean or they make a move up in the draft for a quarterback in the Patriots still haven't done anything at that spot, Jimmy G becomes available. Then I think the parameters of the trade would be no problem. I think both sides would be able to figure out a fair compensation for everybody to make that trade happen to help them hang up for the Patriots is going to be getting Jimmy Garoppolo to agree to a contract restructure and ultimately a pay cut right because the Patriots are not going to write Garoppolo at his current number. They're just not so their job The biggest holdup I would say in terms of the Patriot side of things. I don't think it's the draft compensation of the trade compensation to get Jimmy Garoppolo. It's more about well, he take a pay cut. What will the contract look like and can they get that contract down that that's certainly going to be an element of it, but just quite I think so that they can I think they can have that conversation now because before right on Sunday were you what was Jimmy Garoppolo cutting his pay for now all of a sudden he gets to go to a team where he can succeed and he gets to go to a team that wants him which isn't the case in San Francisco. And I think that's bothered him. Also. Somebody just sent me the clip off Lombardi did not mention the Patriots one way or the other. He just said Watson doesn't want to go to New York. He does not want to go to Miami. It's Denver and in San Francisco for now, that's the report for now, but I just want to make sure this Co I mean that makes total sense to want to go play for Shanahan cuz he's going to make sure you're in a productive offense, but he has when Kyle Shanahan has a good quarterback that quarterback puts up numbers game. DeShaun Watson and then VP with Kyle Shanahan calling him within 10 minutes of a Superbowl. What what's Denver's appeal? And why how is Denver more appealing than New England? That's the part that I don't understand. I know I'm your guy Jerry jeudy, but other than that, I mean, it's no offense. Maybe they bring back Tim Patrick. I mean, they've got options there. Right? I think the Patriots are on that level now. Wow. Yeah, I would put the Patriots new kind of up with anything. I mean, but like maybe you never know what these guys he had to Sean. Is he a John Elway fans? Does he like the uniforms? You know, is he a big snowboarder? Maybe I don't I don't know that much about the Sean Watson personally admittedly, but maybe he just wants to be in Denver. He wants me, you know people like Colorado right now. It's a hot place to move. Maybe it could be as simple as that. Yeah, but I do want to reiterate and then we're going to move on to some other things that the Patriots are not done entertaining quarterback options. Just birth. A resigned Cam Newton to that deal. I'm they are not closing the door on an upgrade at the quarterback position as they showed it. Right and I think at some point this offseason, I would almost expect them to invest in a sort of it either your long-term plan in the draft or even a short-term veteran plan or somebody like a DeShaun to invest in immediately to get to plug somebody in there because Bill Belichick again. He did not go on this spending spree that he's on right now to watch Cam Newton ruin informal and I'm not saying Cam Newton necessarily will ruin it. But if Cam plays like he did last year then they're not going to get the most out of least these guys name signed, right? I think that's clear. So certainly the weapons. It's a chicken or an egg conversation that we've had a million times, right the weapons make the quarterback better just like the quarterback can make the weapons better. But ultimately like the Patriots understand that they might have a cap ceiling with Cam Newton at quarterback and they are not about to spend three hundred million dollars in free agency to watch them piss it all away because Cam Newton can't consist ma'am. At the ball in the right place, you know that that's just not going to happen to me. So I think the Patriots are going to continue to entertain all of these quarterback options and if all it's going to take from the Patriots side of things is to first two seconds and Isaiah Wynn Stephon Gilmore two players that they might trade anyways, it's a no-brainer. It's an atom bomb the airport. Yeah, especially after what they've done in free agency. And after we know that they are going to you know, plug all these holes with veterans anyways, so let's move on to the next thing here. I wanted to discuss some of the guys that are still on the market some possibilities for the Patriots. I want to talk about running backs because Alex you've been kind of you want to talk about running guys. He yelled me off the show last night. You didn't want to talk about right and wrong one. You got that backwards down. I got it. I don't want to go to talk about running backs because I do not want the Patriots to spend any serious money on running backs. But with that being said everybody out there that has dead. Very good connections is telling us that the Patriots have been linked to running backs are making calls on running backs Leonard fournette's name was thrown out there. Chris Carson's name was thrown out there. What I don't understand about it. I guess is you already have two power backs and Damien Harris and Sony Michelle. So you would think that they would be looking for more of a James White replacement right or that back and check on Luis type of player instead. They're looking at more power back. So either they're thinking that they need to death because they're going to run the ball four hundred times next year with this new offense, which I don't think you pay Hudson Regional Smith and Nelson Aguilar that kind of money to only throw the ball like I did last year, but maybe that's the plan and maybe that's the way they were looking at it and they the depth maybe they're thinking about trading so she'll she'll right who's busier option. I don't think he's going to be going to be picked up probably not worth it at this stage to pay and close to five million dollars on the fifth year option. So maybe they are thinking about moving. Tony and they want to continue to have that one two punch because we as we saw last year David Harris got hurt Sony got hurt. You know, you need that depth at that position. Sometimes it kind of takes you back to that 2018 season wage when the Patriots or down to Cordell Patterson playing running back. I'm going now even worse you can go back to 2015 if Steven Jackson Steven Jackson, that's a good one. Bill Belichick doesn't want to get burned life at at running back. I think is the the message that we're getting sent out there for Annette probably returns to Tampa Bay ultimately, but they liked for net. They wanted for a net last year. They just couldn't convince him Brady was convincing over what they were working with in New England now, maybe it's a different situation. So I think for Nets probably at the top of their list and he's sort of that LeGarrette Blount type. I think that they think that he has a very particular skill set to LeGarrette Blount light. You think it's but light yeah, I I hate those. I've always thought he's kind of an overrated player always been my favorite singers. He was drafted certainly but the Patriots didn't draft him fourth overall wage. I just I when LeGarrette Blount was on and I'm even going back like when he when he started going in Tampa, even before he got some New England that guy was on you couldn't tackle him. He was as close to all sides as we had like Jerome Bettis like those guys, like he was a dinosaur. He you know, we think of power backs now is like just big guys write a guy like, you know, I'm saying if you're but Mike Tolbert who's just hard to bring down cuz of his Mass LeGarrette Blount was I mean, he he could stop he could stop on a dime he could change direction and when he you you felt it, I think you know remember the play against Pittsburgh in the playoffs. I don't remember what year it was but there at like the 12-yard line and they handed in the ball and he got down to the five and it looked like he was down. And then he just takes the entire Pittsburgh defense down to the one-yard line like that Leonard fournette's not doing that. He doesn't he might kind of you know, he's a bear guy who can move a little bit and that's where the comparison is. But when you talk about just the raw power the ability to insert to to enforce his will on the defender. He's not like nobody's LeGarrette Blount in the NFL right now in that wage level. Okay, I guess that's fair. I mean Leonard fournette playoff Leonard was real good last year for Tampa Bay. He was he's a player. I just don't think so. Somebody I I misspoke. Somebody pointed it out. Sorry. Derrick Henry can do that Derrick Henry absolutely can do that. I can't believe I forgot about Derrick Henry. That's my guy Derrick Henry can do that. But I think with Kara might have been a little closer. It's not Derrick Henry. He might have been a little closer Derrick Henry in Somerville. Realize go ahead. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, there is no family and I can say this for a hundred percent fact. There's no family that loves LeGarrette Blount more than the bars family. I I've had arguments with your birth. About like also likes the Dearborn I do. Yeah, brother would tell you what your one is Derrick Henry. Do you guys think that LeGarrette Blount is a Hall of Famer or are like, you know Walter Payton reincarnate thought that maybe not in the plan. Anyway, like you made a good point though with them going after the power backs. I think that it could open the door for a Sony Michelle trade. He's got that one year left, you know, the dog gets picked up May 3rd people have pointed out. It's a good running back draft. So you bring in a veteran on a one-year prove it deal you draft somebody you sit him as the Patriots are known to do with running backs off kind of slides in next to Damien Harris after that. I don't I don't think that's the only move though. I think that pass-catching running back has to come in at some point in the less and you brought this up on the show yesterday and it is a possibility with all of the stuff jonnu Smith can do to see kind of become that you know, you can line up in the backfield. Does he become that third-down out? Outfield option I don't think that's the best use for him. I don't think that's maximizing your but maybe that's the law me though. I feel like I like it even more because I didn't really buy into that until they sign Henry then because now you have a guy that's still threatening between the numbers and up the Steam and vertically up the field and you have Johnny Smith in that sort of role. I'm not sure if Johnny Smith has the page real short area agility and quickness of a guy like an Aaron Hernandez at the top of the route. I guess we'll see as we watch him more and watch him in the Patriots uniform if he's able to have that sort of Wiggle that are in Iraq has had that's what made him a viable option in terms of that third-down pass catching back roll or playing running back and said he played some fullback to for the Patriots lining of the backfield and catching passes out of a fullback alignment too. That's what made that a possibility so we'll see if John is Smith has that gear if he has that ability, but certainly is an option, right and the one other running back that I am. To mention somebody mentioned him in chat Damien Williams just got released by the Kansas City Chiefs. He's somebody that can do a little bit of everything. He kind of reminds me of like a Rex Burkhead. I can run the ball between the tackles else can catch the ball out of the backfield a little bit. Maybe that's more of if it were me I would prefer them to go after that sort of guy then sell remember he killed him in that playoff game. So he kind of has that off for me. I think he's a possibility and then I look at Jamaal Williams from Green Bay and somebody brought up in the chat to Duke Johnson who's bounced around a little bit like Jack's the guy a more expecting to go after but those guys will be there. I don't know that Chris Carson is is a free agent by the time we get to Friday. I don't I don't I doubt Leonard. I'm surprised Leonard fournette still a free agent, but he's probably got a day more on him Max. So maybe it's bringing in that guy then your trade Sony Michelle and that opens up the spot where they go and they get that third-down back, but I still I I still think that matters James White and Rex Burkhead are both gone home. People the draft to draft Michael Williams in dmytryk Felton and CJ verdell all good players. Definitely possibilities wouldn't hate it. But you're really young at that position and off with some of those guys are really small what that operates right? You're you're you're like you're saying for the first year, right? You know what James White we've seen with Damien Harris. We saw it with JJ Taylor last year. That's the that's the part. I kind of irks me is that if they did go after a dmytryk felt and let's say I don't think they would because I don't think they would see that value as being there cuz they know he's not going to play year one. Anyways right home. Maybe they look at it. They had changed green on the roster. So they knew they didn't have to play them right away when they brought in JJ Taylor as an undrafted rookie. They had James White and Rex Burkhead on the roster. They know they could slow play with him in terms of a running back like a dementor felt and stepping in right away into that third-down back roll that's asking a lot because not a lot of guys have been able to do that and one of the elements I think of the third-down back roll. Are the important is pass protection and Blitz pickup and you kind of have to understand the ability, you know that element of the game of who you're picking it up ten. You have the technique to pick somebody up and I that's a big element of it for JJ Taylor. I mentioned this yesterday. He just might be too small for that role right because he has a linebacker blitzing through the a gap and it's his job to step up into the line backpack. And what is five foot seven $175 or 185. Yeah. He looks even smaller. He's going to get run over right and that's an element of it that you have to think about. Scare a lot more about Blitz pickup than a lot of other teams that use that like James White type of running back. A lot of teams say we're just going to throw them out and we're going to just run them out in the past Route. So if you Blitz a life back or you're going to be short of coverage guy, we're going to have five guys out in the pattern. We're going to just get the ball out quickly the quarterbacks going to throw hot and beat the Blitz the Patriots like to be able to keep the running back in at times. Is white last year really struggled inputs pick up that was one of the weaknesses of this game a big step back for him. So that's I think an element of this to that you have to really consider what the Patriots is. Can you do, you know wage to run the routes that they want you to run a lot of those running backgrounds out of the backfield or three-way option routes, right? You can sit down and you can break inside or outside based off the coverage. So you have to be able to read those option routes. First of all, I have to be able to handle your bids pick up responsibilities. That's a lot for a rookie and that's why we tend to see those rookies that are in that vein in that role sit with the Patriots. I don't know if the draft is necessarily the best route to get that kind of guy for me. I mean, maybe they can add one but because they're losing Burkhead and white and all even SaberCats coming off the what we think is a torn ACL, you know, if they re-signed James White you dip in a draft. If not, I I think you need a veteran you mentioned you're very small that position very inexperienced at that position. You just attack it through the Trap. I think getting a veteran in is key at that SpongeBob. Taking draft somebody to and people have mentioned the kind of went fought toward head to Vereen to James White and that's been the path and they don't it doesn't unless they change their Taylor really kind of surprises. They don't have that next guy there signed that next guy is the bridge and then you draft somebody behind them. You sign a guy to a one or two-year deal. Somebody did mention a very interesting name in this guy's more like like you were talking with Damien Williams not just a pass-catching back but a guy who give you a little bit of everything is Marlon Mack. I don't know that they're paying what it costs to bring Marlon Mack in but if his Market slides a little bit, that's absolutely their kind of guy. Whoever I don't know who brought that up, but that's a great name to to kind of attached if the market comes down a little bit. Yeah, that's not a bad one for whatever reason they're kicking tires. I'm running backs and as much as I hate we just went over the reasons there are reasons. Yeah, there are reasons. I just don't want them to pay anybody anything right? Like if you want to bring in a guy like a Chris Carson you want to pay him three million. Yeah, three and a half million dollars to play here next year fine, right, you know fine. If you're going to sort of real money, especially after the season that we just watch Damien Harris have for the Patriots and they finally got on the field. I don't know. It seems like a bad to me. So there's another great name and somebody brought this up earlier to Phillip. Lindsay was given a a a restricted free agent. So the Broncos would have the right to do much but they don't have to give up a pet. He's kind of fallen out of favor there. That's a guy and he's got the buy into we kind of learned a little about him when he had that breakout rookie season and he's a guy that appreciates the grind appreciates hard work all of that. Yeah. I could I remember thinking that earlier today I'd forgotten about it, but it's a great Point bringing in Phillip Lindsay. I to me, that's probably on short money. That's a home run see if they can get him for like two or three four million dollars a year, right? The other element of Phillip Lindsay like is that he's a little bit undersized and somebody that's dealt with some durability issues. So if you put him in the running, yep, By committee where he doesn't have to carry the ball 250 times. You probably keep them healthy keep them fresh. He's somebody that is a pretty explosive ball player when he's healthy and he's on the field. He was like a bell-cow and off for right when he started sending him and devontae Booker bolts kind of were in that Nixon Denver when he first started but starting he's a guy that was their lead back and was a pro bowler and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, no I so I'll fill up lives in that. That was that's probably my favorite. But again, I just think if it's the big back if it's the Carson if it's the fournette that to me tells me that that may be a Sony Michelle trade is Courtney certainly think it puts his option in Jeopardy, but I'm not convinced. They're done with the running backs at that point or they're done with the running backs at that does happen. I think he loves them even if they've he loves it. He's got some good ones and he's had some fat now. You're going to tell me some of these running backs Patriots have had I mean some of the most valuable players some of the most important players. I know you think running backs don't matter but the way he uses his life he finds some of the some of the most important players on these super bowl-winning teams have been running backs James White you're going to tell me Shane Vereen didn't Matt in look are there other guys who could have been under what names why it's needed because they contribute in the passing game not because of Any right who's which back I'm telling you look at the roster today. I don't matter I think guys that can impact the passing game matter of fact. I don't have to what I'm telling you is look at the roster today. Yes who on that roster is truly impacting the passing game from the running back position. Probably dated Taylor probably got the best chance at this point if you're looking at he's if he is of as a password, I think Jakob Johnson if you want to just talk about backs know has has the most receiving touchdowns if anybody on the road. Oh, no, he's tired. If we're talking back at the end of the position. He's tied with Cam Newton David Johnson YouTube. Oh, no De Madera terrorist attacks in the office of John's. But but my point is you might point is they need a guy who can impact in the passing game? That guy's not on the roster right now and they don't play rookies. That means they gotta go sign a free-agent to fill that role too often. They don't need to spend a ton of money to do it. They don't need to be flashy about it me saying they should pay Aaron Jones 11 million dollars just to get you riled up, but now they're in the wheel house where we mentioned a bunch of names Shamong Williams. Who do you say from Kansas City? you beauty whoever Evanston from Kansas City earlier is sounds cut out until it comes back. You know, there are passing running backs here on the table. They can get at cost to Johnson fill out. These are great one Dan by Talcott factor. And actually that's not a bad point. They gotta get somebody who can do that though. All right you back. Evan still not back who's got other who's got other questions in the chat. There goes having a hold this down for a second who's got other questions in the chat. Still not back up. Did I have your first second there say something else that I heard some background noise. Nope, David Andrews David Andrews. Well, I haven't figured this out. That's that's one more big signing a bunch of you mentioned him in the chat. I think that that to me is the big one. I'm still waiting. I think Adam Butler would be a tough loss. I think Lawrence guy would be a tough loss. Certainly James White would be a tough loss. But when you talk about guys in house guys currently, you know, or or pay off internal free agents. I think you've got to look at David Andrews Ave. And we'll see if we can get your take on this year as yes you are back and I've moved the conversation on I think David Andrews is the most yeah, our full pending free-agent. Yeah. I'm glad you went there. I that's definitely the next element of this free agency for the Patriots is I you know, there's still a possibility plenty of possibilities that page And kind of get some other guys in here that are non Patriot players. I think taking care of some of their own guys is now becomes important, right and it starts at the top with David Andrews. I think he's the number one guy if I were to walk and I know there's a lot of talk about the Miami Dolphins potentially being a David Andrews is market and really pushing the Patriots hard for a return with David Andrews. I think that they need to get something done with David Andrews. If they don't think I would definitely entertain like a Ted Karras one-year stopgap That season and then drafting somebody like a Creed Humphrey or Landon Dickerson or something like that take over at Centre. But to me David Andrews is someone that they need to take care of right now. So a couple thoughts on that I Andrews to me, especially when you lose Tunis it's beyond the X's and O's it's the leadership wage, you know both on and off the field you had a Twitter Thread about this earlier what he does in terms of the pre-snap communication in the pre-snap calls valuable his first year in the offense whether it's a rookie or Thursday. I like the Sean Watson having somebody like genders that's really smart and understands the ins and the outs of the offense better than anybody is really T. And I mentioned one thing about there is precedent for them for the Patriots specifically to have a guy at another position on the line called the line make the line calls right there is well, they they had the garden center switch play-by-play in two thousand and that so that was back when I was when I when I'm talking about is, you know, there were elements of that. Certainly a me and Woody in Mike Compton right now where they were having other guys make those calls, right and I'm blanking on on his name right now. But I mean Woody and Mike Compton no, no, no, the guy that there's retired players. It's killing me offensive lineman for the Patriots in the early 2000s Wojo Andrews e Geraldine. Thank you so much. All right. So Joanne Jersey was a guy he talked I talked to him after David Andrews. Her know I had the the blood clot issue had to go in with terrorists about how important that communication is for the quarterback and the center and he talked about how they switched jobs and have got certain sometimes early on and guys' careers. And Jersey was somebody that was responsible for making some of those calls and things like that, even though he wasn't necessarily playing center, right? So it doesn't always have to be the center of the dog threw out there was that Shaq Mason might be somebody that could make those calls instead of the center of it ends up being a rookie But ultimately it's a very high IQ position is a position where you are doing multiple things a lot of the time you're not usually blocking somebody right over you if sometimes something that you have to go and look for work or go and find a guy to block or you're working up to the second level or you're reaching a guy that's in the B Gap. It's a very complex position the center position. It's a favorite position in the entire offensive line. So if you're bad at the center spot that can really take it offensive line that's really tapped. Did like the Patriots and all the other four spots? So I think that that's a really important decision moving forward. Yeah, so I think you know and I wonder if cuz we keep here and we kept hearing every couple of hours. Miami's making the push. Miami's may push and we've heard people speculate that David Andrews could be one of these guys where they say go out see what you get. Yeah match it. And I wonder if it's if it's just been him going back and forth with he goes to my ass. It gets the offer brings it back to New England will match that goes back to Miami. They said they'll match it Miami Ops it goes back to New England. We'll match it goes back to Miami though. And I wonder if it's that back and forth and eventually somebody's going to give so I you know, we'll see what happens with that and then if he leaves I think Ted Karras like you mentioned just a good Bridge option in the chat absolutely beat us to this the second we brought up centres. I think David Andrews is want one of the best centers in a there's a few guys who are better Ronnie Hudson's one of them if they had him if they could land him and talk to the manager in the first year of the new system. But you know, I know it's the offensive line. I know it's yours. Rodney Howard said talk about continuing to just land home runs and four agency. So I think that the center positions interesting. I think there's probably three or four guys that are Elite at that wage, but I would not put Rodney Hudson in that category. I think that him and answers are both tier two guys. I I think if you're going really elite elite centers you're talking about like Corey Linsley for example on the Green Bay Packers game. Here's an All-Pro last year. He's definitely the guy that I think is probably the best center or close to it. Alex. Mack is a really good Center as well. He's definitely up there Jason Kelce I think is certainly in that category to get those guys I think are very much up there. But I entered is right there in that second here. I think him and Rodney Hudson event end up with either one of those guys. They'd be all set did William when certainly do I know if it's a big Improvement in terms of Hudson for over Andrews, but I think it's definitely somebody that could be a potential Improvement. I want to wrap it up on this one. One last thing we are still hearing so much about haven't seen Gilda provolt love in the chat. Oh, that's my guy. I hope that y'all don't make one more thing. Yeah, Mary. Yeah. Is he on the team next year? Yes or no certainly seems like the Smoke's coming from Arizona right that that Cardinals reported Joshua a fuse or something like that. I don't know. I asked him to come on my show the other day. He never did me back, you know, not just so so not maybe he is a connection to Arizona State. I don't know if it's not his team, right? He covers the Cardinals and he just comes out with the Patriots are looking to trade n'keal Harry and there's three teams on the Block. So you assume Arizona's one of them and they love receivers like that. Yeah, I think when I look at those two drafts, if the you know, the first two ironically the first two drafts, I cover Sony Michelle Isaiah Wynn n'keal Harry those contracts are coming up. Those are going to be expensive options if the page pick them up. They don't want to lose him for nothing. I don't know about the cockpit value with those guys. I think they're kind of up against it now in terms of roster spots and the other thing and this ties into a lot of what we talked about tonight with the dog. Trades and then potentially trading up in the draft consolidating pics to trade up in the draft either to improve your asset to get the Sean Watson or just to trade out and yet, you know Trade Winds to move up to six and get trade-ins the Patriots have Miguel Benson from from cap past cap. Put it out there. I think he said they have 14 roster spots left right now. They have nine draft picks a girl that's fourteen with the whole thing. So, you know, you look at the guys they've brought in they've signed. I think 8 new players right re-signed two more. That's ten that's a fifth of their roster of there's there's only so many spots right? You can only keep so many of the guys who bring it in the offseason consolidating pics and moving up is what they need to do. We saw them do it a couple years ago. They had what was it like 14 picks going into the draft a couple of years ago and they ended up making ten of them and that that still a ton but there's going to be a roster Crunch and an easy way to get around that is wage. You know, do we need both fourth-round picks or do we move up in the first round? That's I think why the Marcus Cannon trade was what it was they didn't want to add pics. They don't have the roster spot for him. So it's a good year to consolidate pics. That's a way to free up roster spots. Another one is What's the role for n'keal Harry on the scene? He's the fourth, maybe fifth Wide Receiver right now in and he's a pretty you know, specific guy. He doesn't have a ton of Versatility. He's not a guy who can fill in for everybody if they get hurt. Yeah, I totally buy that that there's potentially a trade in place. I know that happens right now. That's probably something a little closer to the draft maybe after the draft but I think it's 50/50 at best that he's on the roster next year. Yeah. I actually think that it's maybe even less than that, but the one argument and I'm not making an argument that nikhil Harry is going to somehow be good for the Patriots and the future the one argument that you can talk yourself into though. Is that now with Hunter Henry and Johnny with Nelson Aguilar? She no longer has the pressure of needing to be the guy right? Like he doesn't have that first round. He's all you know, he needs to be the offense because the move that we made to upgrade their he doesn't have that pressure anymore. Maybe you can has he ever had that pressure with Julian Edelman of the roster has he ever really had that pressure? I absolutely I think in 2019 and again, Last year, he had a lot of pressure on him to be a first-round talent to live up to that pick to live up to that pick production wise because they were so desperate Alex for any type of wide receiver production and wage type of offensive Firepower. I think you had a lot of pressure on him to step up to the plate as the guy that they spent a top-30 to pick on now that for the first time I think in his career with the Patriots, he wouldn't necessarily have that pressure. But at the same time I still stand by my take last week of it's probably the best that the Patriots stop trying to convince themselves that n'keal. Harry is going to work here and just move on from that and let other guys play with other guys give give other guys the opportunity to play because you're not going to make that guy at work. I just don't think you are maybe another team that's more of a vertical passing offense. So wants to just throw jump balls all dead. Maybe they can get the most out of nikhil, but I just don't think it's going to work here. So you might as well just you know, cut your losses get what you can for them move on. Maybe you'd wrap somebody with that skillset. Yep. You drive somebody can entirely different and you let that guy play right? Any let's see what he have like a player. I think that's the Patriots are much better off doing that in my opinion and continuing to try to develop this guide am continuing to try to convince themselves that they are going to get into that untapped potential and they're going to make them a good player. I just don't think it's going to work here for the kill Harry. I'm not saying it won't work anywhere though, you know, there's a potential that it could work someplace else and maybe that's what's a ton of natural ability. I could totally see him going elsewhere and succeeding. Yeah, me too. Me, too. All right, so we are going to be back. I want to plug the channel one more time that people can go and subscribe to the Patriots, press pass on our YouTube channel Alex and I will be back at the same time same place to do another free agency recap tomorrow outside. The home was kind of thinking that maybe we weren't going to have much to talk about tonight. Then the Patriots went out and sign Hunter Henry. So I was very wrong. Do we think we're going to have another kind of Big Splash signing tomorrow at to talk about wage. Time, I mean certainly somewhere. I don't know if it's the Patriots but you know tomorrow for agency really opens. I think I think I don't know if it's a big splash signing. I think tomorrow we're going to be talking about where David Andrews ended up. I think that talking about where James White ended up in May maybe there's some quarterback news. So I I think that again I think they still it depends what you define as flash. I don't think you know Hunter Henry Matt. Judon, those are passed us if KV endless flash. Maybe that's on the table if you count Andrews as a splash maybe that's on the table the running backs. Obviously, you're still young. So we're not, you know, we're past the whoa moments. We might just all be whoa doubt even if they did a whoa short of DeShaun Watson. I don't know that we have any breath left in us to gasp at this point, but there should be a lot that happens tomorrow. I think tomorrow is going to end up actually overall being a bigger day than today was yeah. I think somebody in the chat is trying to do for us and tell us that the Patriots just signed Kenny golladay to get us to talk about And I can just happened. I don't think we're going to get something like that. Like do you guys realize I I have Twitter up on my screen like you see me looking down you see me looking around. I'm looking at Twitter so I don't think that's going to happen. But I do think that there is one more shoe to drop in terms of offensive skill Talent it might end up being a running back ultimately, but I do think that the Patriots are still kicking tires on the wide receiver Market. I don't think that there are all that sold on their group just yet. So I think that the Patriots could still make another move at wide receiver. I don't think it'll be Kenny. Golladay. I don't think it will be Curtis Samsung will probably be somebody from that secondary wide receiver Market again kind of like a Nelson Aguilar type, but we'll see what happens. We've been wrong a lot as we normally are as everybody normal is so I don't think I any one of us saw two tight ends. I don't think we saw all the moves that they have made necessarily. Although we have been sitting for awhile uncharacteristically aggressive is Armand Kyo. Basically aggressive baby, and we we were right to believe I was right to believe all the people made fun of me. I was right to believe you were some will be back tomorrow 7:30 same time. Same place off breaking down all the Patriots moves on Wednesday and talking a little bit more Alex, and I could probably talk over another hour about Hunter Henry and John Smith, and have fun that's going to be but tune in tomorrow night 7:30 a.m. At all. Again. Thanks a lot for listening everybody and we'll see you tomorrow night.

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Hunter Henry to the Patriots ... WHY!? (03/16 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Fantasy Football Today Podcast

09:38 min | 4 months ago

Hunter Henry to the Patriots ... WHY!? (03/16 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"In news the new england patriots will sign hunter. Henry they really need a tight end so i'm glad they wait a second. This is terrible. You know the pa- have hated the patriots because successful franchises get. Hey i'm not about that. But now i hate them because they have taken the top two agent tight ends and they ruined the values of both hunter henry and john with what is going on. First of all dave. And jamie jamie you i. Who do you rank higher. Who will you rank. Higher henry or smith debussy. All right they just draft toot sides last guys in the third round last year. What is going on to your four tied set. I hate this. Who will i rank higher rank. Hunter henry higher. I think there's better touchdown potential for him. I think this really absolutely stinks. I mean obviously we. What was it less than an hour ago. We just got finished talking about john smith. It is hilarious to watch twitter and unfortunately unfortunately but more. Unfortunately i'm glued to twitter for the next week just because of all the news happening All of the jonnu smith memes and winners and losers and truth and not true. Thor's now excited. People were and how disappointing in depress people are now. This is not the twenty eleven patriots. This is not rob gronkowski near hernandez tom brady. Is is a cam. Newton does not. Tom brady so. This is not going to be the same outcome. This is good for new england. It's good for cam newton. It's bad for fantasy. Well i think we know what the patriots are going to do. And that's throw the ball. I dunno what seven hundred divided by sixteen games. They're gonna they're gonna let cam newton's arm take control this offense and they're gonna lean on both of these titans makes sense to me right. Let's let's win it on cams arm and utilize these two great tight end you were. I don't think you're obviously sarcastic enough there. I think may have taken you seriously no. I don't think anybody took me seriously. They're gonna. I would hope that they pass more. This was a team that threw the ball forty nine percent of the time last year and they were stat dead. Last in in deep ball attempts twenty plus yard attempts and the the numbers that jonnu hunter henry put up last year. Were pretty good. And they were unlimited targets. Maybe they're they're still unlimited targets. But i can't see them. I can't see them being as good i. I like john a little bit better. Because i think the patriots are gonna use him more as a receiver and under henry will be dual threat guy. Maybe hunter henry ends up with as many touchdowns jonnu but it stinks for both of them and what really needs to happen is for another quarterback to come into to new england and the weather spending money. Maybe they'll do that. Maybe they'll draft somebody but i to me. The sticking point is newton and the fact that he wasn't a good passer last year. I don't see how rebounds to a big degree this year. I don't see how this offense suddenly becomes one that throws five hundred and fifty. Times like the raiders. Did last year or over six hundred times like the chargers did last year. I don't i. Don't i don't feel this at all and i think i'm looking at a tight end and jonnu smith that i might be okay with having as my number one tight end to start the year and hunter. Henry is one where maybe i take him with. A with a pick past the midway point of my draft as a low low end number. One tight yeah. Are we talking about top twelve guys here. Nope i'm not sure if i'm going to put henry twelve and johnny johnny. Johnny was for me to begin with mike. Keep them right there. We're talking about logan thomas smith. No offense ingram that group there behind them. Yes hunter henry will probably be behind most of those guys for me. Yeah both for me. And i would think henry over donner. Where does cam cameras now. Got in two tight ends to wide receivers in twenty four hours. So if he's the starting quarterback for the patriots. We just did a big long hour. Long podcast talking about all this stuff and if you heard it was obviously before the hunter henry signing so outdated information. We didn't expect jonnu. Smith have this kind of competition. But we we call ryan's hannah hill loser thirteenth or so. Would you put cam. Newton ahead of ryan tannehill. No this is. I don't think he's playing sixteen games as the starter i to address their future at the position and so if the free agent market is where they're going to spend all of their money to fill some of these whole the draft i think is they're gonna probably be aggressive triangle. Get a quarterback to some capacity known so I think cam is not top. Twenty upside. I don't think he's got fifteen upside but this could be short. Lived ranking situation. If they are aggressive in the draft and go get somebody may be in the top ten but i do think you know. You're hearing a lot about mack jones as a fit there and if that's the case then midway point of the season you could see replacement happening thirteen. Is that why. You're saying cam does not have top fifteen upside because you don't think he'll get the sixteen games or because you don't think he's good enough because i would just say that. Regardless of how bad is a passer his rushing prowess gives him top fifteen upside one hundred percent. It's more about the the ability to play and be the quarterback for sixteen games. But this this feels very much like they're going to be a still low volume passing offense this. They're they're gonna play. Their defense is gonna be dramatically better in. That's going back to i. Think the blueprint of what they want to be. And i think you're gonna see them. Run the ball. I think daming only michelle benefit from. This is a big way. Yeah good blocking tight ends. You had Damian harris as a loser an hour ago how do you feel. He still is because he's gonna share the ball and he's gonna lose going to cam. Yeah it's not going to catch passes you know what this feels like a team. That will be easy to avoid on draft day this year right. Take your patriots off your draft board. When are they going. Are they gonna sign willfuller in an hour. I mean what is what is happening here. So do you like their offseason. Thus far there. I think i liked it. They're giving themselves a chance to be competitive in the afc east for fantasy. Of course not but look they do have some interesting mismatch pieces. Now that they can attack defenses with the problem is still a quarterback. The problem is still cam newton. If he were more accurate maybe somehow fix what's wrong with him and shoulders fine and he throws better then. Yeah sure play. Action might be great for them this year because they will be viewed as a run first type of offense and then when cam drops back and throw but he's got to be on target. It's got to do better than he was last year. Twenty th and on target percentage last year. It's not good. Yeah but adding. These guys is a big piece to making him better. I mean you know you don't bring in the on bringing in young guys that have the chance to make plays this. Receiving corps was a joke last year. You know so Camden i'll play well. But it's not all him offensive line's better is going to be better protected. The receiving options are dramatically better. That's gonna help them in a big way. Hopefully he's healthy full offseason. I mean all these things factor in you know so. I think you look at them and say okay. Let's see what he can do But also again. I think they're going to go on address the position because they have to for the long term benefit of this franchise. And does this make travis. Kelsey kittle waller in particular even better. You are now taking two guys who could have been top. Six top seven tight ends taking them out of that equation. so how. how much better does it make those top. Three and top four. That's a great question dramatically better because these were two guys that no matter what you thought of where they were going to go that they had the chance to be top fifteen options because john who still had a place to go to a place that was going to feature him like we thought new england was twenty four hours ago. So now you're looking at it as they're going to negate each other and get each other in an offense. It's not going to be high volume so if you if you feel like you have to get one of the premier tight ends you got to be aggressive with it and it's not just those you gotta put mark andrews in the conversation to based on what he did a year ago to lesser degree. But he's still a top five round pick. And then you look at tj and maybe dowell scott the next two guys well okay so. The patriots are making moves. They're definitely going to be better on defense when you consider. They signed judah and they signed a couple of other complimentary pieces and they're getting a lot back players who opted out last year. They're going to be those guys. They're yeah they're going to be. They're gonna be a little boring but they could be just a gritty defensive. Low scoring team in a in a ballot. Check mold dolphins. That's the competition buffalo. Buffalo came on strong. Jamie the jets. Maybe the jets defense native better all right. So that's it for this bonus podcast. We will be back when the patriots signed kindergarten. And we'll talk it out.

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GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast Episode 348: Patriots Stock Rises

GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast

1:35:03 hr | 4 months ago

GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast Episode 348: Patriots Stock Rises

"Golden state media concepts fantasy football. Podcast is your one stop shop for fantasy football news and advice deciding who to draft first round cowing gaga. And how a lot of your team got to curves. Additionally zionists deletes he li. I dp dp lead even daily fantasy football league. Join us as we break down. All the question of fantasy football. It's the golden state media concepts fantasy football podcast Thank you for tuning into the gmc. Fantasy football podcast brought to you by the gist. Mc podcast network. I am your host ryan basuto and i am glad to be back with you guys. Last time i was on the show we talked about who should be the undisputed number one fantasy football. Pick if you didn't check out that episode checkout to figure out who was number one talked about the top five. Nfl players who played in march madness. That was actually really interesting. Most of them if not all of them were actually tight ends but today show we are gonna talk about. Who's your new fancy quarterback. A lot of free agents have been moving around specifically quarterbacks have found some new homes in some pretty interesting areas. so we'll see what their fantasy implications are with that. There's a lot of fantasy implications just with everything else in. Nfl free agency. It's big really really big. These moves are what makes champions. The draft is really. What makes champions but this still makes championship football teams and on our last segment. If you stick around at the end of the show we are going to talk about the fantasy. What could have been all the fantasy people all like peyton. Manning could have been on the niners instead of the broncos. When he left the indianapolis colts they were the two people that were in contention for pain manning he could have literally just went up and left to the to the car Not to the cardinals to the forty niners and had away completely different career. We're gonna talk about that at the last segment. But first we're gonna talk about the patriots stocks right now because let's let's do a little stock check. Let's let's check the check. The stock market right. Now if we're talking about in terms of stocks the patriots. After tom brady left's plummeted. It was the great depression on them. It was the great depression of two thousand eight. Whatever you wanna call it. It's like when everyone was all in game. Stop and then game. South with were was worth four hundred dollars. Yeah the patriots. Were worth four hundred dollars. They're moving money. They're making it. All tom brady was making magic. Broncos making magic and then tom brady was the main hedge fund owner any pulled out but i thought that the patriots were just dead in the water. But i guess they're not because in free agency as of late. They're just making a lot of moves. Just it started with cam newton. They got cam newton. That was a good good fit. But let's talk about all the other moves because they spent one hundred thirty seven point five million dollars in guaranteed money from march fifteenth to march sixteenth. So two days they spent one hundred thirty seven mill and not even just off contracts in guaranteed money. That's money you cannot take back. That is oh. I got an acl injury. So you know what that means right. Oh yeah that means that. I have to still owe you. This guaranteed money. It's it's it's one of the biggest things that nfl players want nowadays. Because it's for sure money. It's what they could rely on. They don't have to worry about. Oh what if. I get hurt because football is a very physical and contact sport. So obviously you're gonna get hurt more times than not but the patriots been all that money. Their base needs. Were the tight end position. They needed wide receivers. They only have to kill harry and julian edelman. Who was hurt for most of the year so that was just pretty much. That's all they had with. James white in the backfield. Everyone is getting hurt. Left and right on the net. Phillip dorsett harry still was hurt as well and they need defensive tackles because they were not stopping the run besides their defensive woes frank about it the patriots just don't excite me from a fantasy perspective because they just don't have a lot of for sure pieces that i like in fantasy football for one. They don't pass the ball. How are you going to get a good fantasy receiver from them. Or if you're playing a pr league running back and get a lot of fast value especially with the patriots. They don't tell you what's running back. They're going to start that week. Or give the carries to sold a very unpredictable. Belching doesn't care about your fantasy team. That's another big reason. He just wants to win games but the patriots were not a pass team last year. They were thirtieth in passing yards. Allowed averaged one hundred allowed thirtieth in passing yards the averaged one hundred eighty passing yards per game. Thirtieth interception percentage twenty-seventh and toll yards and twenty seven point scores. What about that says patriots. They literally took a big dip. Like i said with the stocks and the instead of the patriots. You know folding going bankrupt. They just decided. Hey we're gonna buy the dip so during their little s- quote unquote dip because they're seven and nine last year which is berry on patriot like so. The patriots decided. Hey let's do something about it so the first signing one of the first signings was hunter henry tight end of the san diego chargers which i talked about on previous episodes one of the previous episodes probably both of them. If i have to be honest with you that henry was gonna go to the patriots. And i still wasn't going to be too excited about it. He's on a three year deal thirty seven and a half million dollar contract adam. Schefter reported it as he is one to do. Hunter henry the and they also add jonas smith by the way another great tight end. They gave him a deal to. They actually made him one of the highest paying tight end in the nfl for years. Fifty million dollars which is very patriot. Like there's a lot of things that patriots aren't doing characteristic giving these big contracts to players because they're just not the type to wanna play people pay people they love playing people they do not want to pay people. Hunter henry had sixty catches last year. Six hundred thirteen yards four touchdowns at ranks bottom fifty in the nfl. Joni smith forty forty-one catches four hundred forty eight yards eight touchdowns. A lot of it was because he was hurt but this also brings back a point that the patriots are now going back to the double tight end system that worked for them so well over the super bowl runs. If you think about you think about daniel. Graham and benjamin watson. Those guys were a good one two punch. One was more of a blocker. Benjamin watson being more of the pass catching one but they still had pass catching abilities. Both of them. If we're talking about the best patriots double tight ends of all time. It was growing aaron hernandez gronk gronk was the pass catching tight which you know what he does even to this day if you could get gronk in fantasy right now. He's outside the top five fantasy tight end so you really don't worry about him until the bottom after at least eleventh round in the fantasy drafts but greener is a great great model to show that the patriots double tight end system works the risk on hunter henry though is that he has played a whole sixteen game season in his first five years so injury woes have stopped under henry. I talk about that all the time. That is why. I never once drafted hunter henry this year. He had one of his better years because he played pretty much. He played thirteen games out of the year but hunter henry still gets hurt more times than not. He is consistent. He's a good red zone threat but on the patriots. You just don't know what they're gonna do their the king of facilitating out of the nfl. They liked to facilitate the ball to whoever the game plan suits that week. It never has to do with. Oh hey i have a great receiver. They usually don't have a great one. But i guess they had randy moss at one point then they would feed him. But i mean you're still giving it to wes. Welker you're still giving it to andre caldwell still spread the ball around even when they show they show what the running backs all time they call it. Bill bella tricks with the way. He plays his running backs. You know if they're starting sony michelle. You don't know if they're starting damian hairs one week to give damian harris. Eighteen carries a next week to give them ten. They're very unreliable on who they consistently give it to joan of smith. His contract raise some eyebrows just because he is like. I said giving a very unpatriotic like contracts for years fifty million dollars makes him one of the highest paying tight ends. They don't overpay for tight ends in general the patriots just like to get who they get at a nice value and make it work within the system but joe new smith they see him more as a all around tight end he could block. He could catch any defenses. That's all shown when he was on the tennessee. Titans tennessee titans were not pass first offense. They were a run first. Derrick henry is gonna get two thousand yards this season and make your fast team when a championship offense. Jonas helped with that even though he was hurt he was still a great run blocking tight end and a catch and he could catch the ball he makes plays to. He's a good red zone threat. He had eight touchdowns. The patriots have had the nfl's lowest pass catcher production from tight ends for the past two years. That is nothing that the patriots want to be a part of after just living in the garage just smelling the greatness of the titan of gronk. Because he's probably the best tight end of all time they do not want to go back to. Oh let's just how not have a reliable security blanket for quarterbacks. Let alone cam newton. That's the whole point of this. They're trying to get cam. Newton no security blankets. Oh hey i know you had a shoulder injury cam newton and your fantasy productions going to be not too well or too good this year but if we put you with security blankets like hunter hendro hunter and i wanna keep calling him. Hunter renfrow hunter henry. And joni smith. You can make those easy stick passes which are five yards. Turn around and find the hole in the defense joey. Smith does that a lot. Hunter henry is gonna make give you a big target. He's over six two he's was Justin herbage big target when hit in the end zone. I don't know why he would say. He wants to play with the real quarterback and then goes to the patriots unless the patriots told him. Hey we're gonna get trae lots in the draft we're gonna get you know. Zach wilson in the draft one of these premier quarterback so cam newton's just going to be the veteran. Help him out a bit easier in a bit. And then after that. We're going to get a good quarterback. So i don't get what their whole plan is but they're basically paying just for potential of johnny smith. He's a young guy he's under twenty five and he's now being pain. One of the highest tide contracts doesn't make sense to me less bill. Belichick saw something in him like he always does. There's always that infamous oh Bill belichick shot where he skipped one of the draft days just to go see this buffalo linebacker do a little combine try out for the for nfl teams and he was in the rain. He was looking at them. Bilbao chick likes what he likes. He is not going to settle for less. So that's at least a good thing. He's very decisive. And he's good with most of his decision making skills. So i mean in that sense. Yeah you could help give an argument with the patriots. But i don't think so if you think about the patriots defense they got some. They got some help free agency. They got you on. Linebacker the ravens. You don't understand why the patriots the ravens got rid of him. He had thirty four and a half career sacks he's a great pass rusher at fifty tackles and six sacks last year six sacks. Nfl you're not no scrub and match. You don was dealing with some injuries. But if you pair him with dont'a hightower and don't forget dante hightower missed all. After he opted out to play last year he has five hundred. Five career tackles a couple of super bowls twenty five and a half sacks two forced fumbles. He is a physical guy him and magic. We'll make that defense. A physical physical linebacking core. It's an attitude type. Assigning where you want you need some tough guys in the locker room what you need. You need people to get anti up. It's cold in there. It's really cold in new england. You cannot have anybody that soft like baby poop. You just can't have it happen. You just don't understand why the ravens led him walk but bill belichick got mad you don at a at a hefty price to four years. Fifty six million dollars according to ian rappaport. The other guy who always leaks the sources. He went for a four year. Fifty six million dollars contract but bill belichick always knows what he sees. He doesn't play the fool. He saw the dip on his team. He said i'm buying. I'm buying maja on. I'm buying these tight ends on solving the problems. Like i stated in the beginning. They need a defensive. The defensive lineman matching under linebacker. But he's a pass rush linebacker so you can put on the line as well so it's not even a big issue. He could still kinda cover. But he's mainly a pass rusher. That's what he is. You got the security blankets for cam noon because cam newton only eight touchdowns last year. You can't have that happen again. There's no way you win any type of championship in today's nfl. With at least good quarterback play so speaking about good quarterback play they try to help out cam newton a little more. They got nelson agholor and kendrick bourne nelson agholor ex. Eagles receiver and receiver had forty eight catches eight hundred ninety six yards and eight touchdowns last year. He was formidable. He was a good pickup. If you really felt the the the week to week basis he went off on the jets. Like i knew he would when i was a when i started him off the waiver. Wire i start. You know you start at him against terrible pass defense especially terrible. Pass defense that let What do you call it. Lets up because nelson agla the type of guy to just go straight go straight deep. He was the second in the nfl in yards per catch at eighteen point seven. The patriots paid him two years. Twenty six million dollars. He was one of the first notable receivers off the free agency market but another question. Is there still like i said there. They're buying the dip. But it's just why spending to twenty million dollars on a two year contract for nelson agholor. Who is kind of good. Just more of a sean jackson but still has dropped problems. He's at twenty four drops in his career five last year. Even on the raiders. Even when everyone told him like you can't catch you can catch and you know what a big problem with your fantasy. Production will be drops. And not because you get negative fantasy point. I don't know if they do that in your league. That's a little grimy a little scummy but if they don't do that like they don't do most leagues the only thing elites to is that you get benched or played less because you can't drop the ball you're a receiver. Your job is to have the best hands on the fields. There's even that infamous video coming out where the guy caught the baby from a fiery building in philadelphia. And they're like. Oh you got the ball. And they're interviewing him on a news interview. a live interview on national. Television is like yeah. I caught the baby. Not like you're like you're getting that much hate from just people out there you that's a problem. You can't be dropping the ball new england's going to try to cut that out and i hope they could it up because they shouldn't have a problem with because bill belichick is a guru in his own sense but the patriots are paying a hefty price. And i think those twenty four drops in his career is a lot of drops. Deandre hopkins doesn't even have like more than two drops in a year let alone five a year. Which is your own. Oh that's not my that. That of year. I had eleven drops in your whites. Why are we paying you. Why would you get paid. Twenty six million dollars to not be able to catch the ball all the time. When that's your job. So then they also got kendrick bourne because kendrick bourne even though he's a another kind of receiver. They signed him to a three-year twenty two million dollar deal because they're still buying the dip. They're buying their stock crash. Everything crashed after. Tom brady left to tampa bay their their value went straight up the roof. They're going to be a fortune. Five hundred company pretty soon at the way. Tom brady's bringing their stocks up. But kendrick bourne is going to also help cam noon. Because like i said nelson agholor can't catch so he's a week to week. I don't know if he's going to be a good option this week on the patriots. So that's why. I don't like just drafting them. In general james white was a good option. When tom brady was there and he loved him because jane's helped him win the super bowl. So obviously tom brady's gonna love him for the rest of his life. 'cause tom brady value chappie chips. That's why it takes pay cuts to win all the time. Kendrick bourne is greater third-down threat. Because he's a good route runner yet. Forty nine catches for six hundred. Seventy seven yards two touchdowns. Pats were seventeenth in the nfl on third down. Which is the bottom half of the nfl. They bought high on him. But they're going for the third down production value in cam new and says okay. They're gonna guard hunter. Henry hunter henry first because he's probably the best pass catcher we really have. Then he's gonna they're gonna go to joni smith because if he catches the ball he's could take it all the way to the house because he has great speed and can also break safeties and linebackers down. So it's hard to cover him then. We got nelson agholor over here. Can't catch like law. This guy could barely catch. How are you going to rely on him on third down. Which is the most important down. It's going to set the tone for games. Usually teams that win are teams that have high percentage rates. Because they get it done they are able to move the change. Which is the name of the game of football. Get the yards score the touchdown you could score long balls like the chiefs. Oh time but it. You're not always blessed to have those you know homerun hits every single time you gotta do it in in soccer term sneaky taco. You gotta pass pass pass. Pass pass score a goal aka. You got to eat up some three yards get five dang get six then get three get one but then get six. You gotta get those third down conversions. It's all a mental game and the patriots have in bill belichick. Keep doing that defense. Got a little better to the added. Jalen mills he's wishy washy just because he's Transitioning from corner to safety he had fifty nine tackles one forced fumble interception and three passes defensed for the eagles. Last year the thing bilbao likes the most is that people forget that jalen mills made a key stop on julio jones in the twenty seventeen divisional round on the road to the eagles first and only super bowl of all time. I don't like the eagles. But their first and only super bowl of all time and jalen mills will be able to make big place. If he's able to make big plays. Bilbao chicks. Like i work with the rest. The patriots defensive backs again olds. Mccourty and patrick. Chung are already thirty three years old. He's already veterans in the league so not having not having a younger guy. In the secondaries never good because speed deteriorates the older you get and the only thing that's a knockoff. On jalen meals is that he doesn't have top end speed. so that's why they moved him safety. You have to top speed as a corner because you're going against the fastest people pretty much in the country if not the world's primetime. Nfl athletes that wwe are based off and they kind of worked their whole ethic around top speed at like a small interval of time because on football. It's not an endurance game. You're not running up and down the field all the time. Yes or no what offenses it does get tiring but it stops after the plays done you get you get a chance to regroup then you start to play. Not many sports do that soccer basketball. A lotta times older just quick quick quick quick pace unless there's a timeout not in soccer. But you know hockey as well. You have to sub people in the middle of the game but he doesn't have top speed so you need that top end speed being a corner. But he's a twenty six year old. Who will help that patriots secondary. I know that. I know that he will just because bilbao chick is a defensive guy. He was defensive guy when he was on the defensive coordinator for the super bowl. Champion new york giants. Would bill parcells back in the late eighties going into early nineties. They sign up to a four year. Twenty four million dollars deal jalen meals once again buying the dip. I'm all for it. Their defense needs to get better. It was not that good and they know that they need to get better corners. Just for the simple fact. That josh allens out there and the bills are out there and they know that they have to stop them. They also got defensive tackle. Doron gold's gold's chocks. I can't really say his name to well. Sorry if i'm bothering with a twenty. Six year old had sixteen tackles and one safety four. The miami dolphins last year and the patriots were twenty six in the nfl allowing one hundred thirty one point four yards per game on the ground so they allowed a lot of russia's they were also terrible against like yards per rush. They allow four and a half yards per rush. That's a lot of yards. You can literally rush on them with those averages game and get a first down to a touchdown every time you just eat four yards to get the first down every every down. So he's a big guy. He's going to help them in the middle the big thing and the big reason why i think they got him was because the patriots offensive linemen and played against him for four years and they spoke very highly about him on the dolphins. They know he's good. He tore his biceps. So you only played five games last year. That's the only knockoff. Hopefully all those things can help that rush. Defense that pass defense so if you want the patriots defense you can rely on them because you know bill bell check is a defensive guy and this all comes back to who is going to help move this patriots. Fantasy train cam noon. The ultimate hedge fund owner just because they need him to produce and get the company money he had only twenty six hundred yards. What twenty six fifty seven yards if you want to be exact ranked twenty four. Th in the nfl eight touchdowns. Thirty thirty in the nfl had a forty-seven qbr ranked thirtieth in the nfl. Those are all the worst things i've ever heard of in my life. He needs to do what he has to do on the panthers. I only problem is i. Don't see it happening just because he had shoulder injuries. How are you going to throw without shoulders. Tell me try lily. Try to throw a football right now. Go outside yard. No dairy goats yard right now and try to football without shoulders. It's not gonna work. His shoulders are shot. He tries to run too much. He gets hurt too often. And it's not going to work out in the end. I don't think this is gonna lead to too much. You can play nelson sometimes on a week to week. Basis depending on the match up if they're paying the jets probably just start him because the jets stink any went off on them last year when he played with them against the raiders but another notable additions that the patriots got the got. Carl davis off the jaguars practice squad. Here's a defensive tackle. He'll help that Patriots defensive line. They also got henry anderson three hundred pounds good against the run. He was another defensive tackle that they signed to so that also will help their twenty-six rink rush defense which is awful awful. You cannot have that bill. Check was probably just completely appalled with the way his defense pay last year compared to house defenses normally play in the past. They also got justin bethel a thirty one year old special teamer who led the The patriots with fourteen solo tackles on special teams. That's a lot of tackles because those are open. Field tackles fifty yards to fifty fifty yards from sideline to sideline for you to get those tackles. You have to be a boss. Him in matthew slater or the best one two punch in special teams today so that will help them with special teams which could help in fantasy special teams the best thing. I like out of all these things. I've said about the patriots and their free agency stock rise. Or if you're not buying the dip just sell just selling in bill like i would. This could help their fantasy defense. The most so check out on their defense. Because you dante hightower nothing to reckon with the jails and that with already devin mccourty and patrick chung. They should have a better defense next year. Especially since they go against the jets and a young to who might not always be there and they're here's backup. Come in who we're going to talk about in the next segment. We're going to talk about. Who's your next quarterback who what quarterback went to what. Nfl team in this agency in the past couple of days. And what are their fantasy implications on that and remember stick around towards the end of the show just so we could talk about the what could have bins in fantasy football history and we'll be back after the commercial. Are you looking for the very best. Nfl and college football podcast. Check out the gsm see football. Podcast get the latest football news. Both on and off the field from the nfl draft to read to the rumor mill to the nfl combines they got you covered that's gs mc podcast dot com slash football dash. Podcasts get updates. i'm college. Rivalries key insights and much much more. It's football talk the way you want it. This show each sleeps and breathes football. Don't forget to like on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Yes mc podcasts. Dot com for more info. Hello and welcome back to the gmc. Fantasy football podcast. We just went over the patriots market rise or crash. However you want to see it in this free agency that they just took over completely bill. Belichick came out like stone cold. Steve austin the glass broke and he was just ready to pick up all the free agents. But now we're going to talk about. Who is your new quarterback. A lot of quarterbacks have been shuffled during the free agency. Quarterbacks are very important as you can tell because they have a huge factor in fantasy football implications. A lot of these quarterbacks could be sleepers going into next season and waiver wire pickups say you can pick up to win a fantasy football championship. Remember at the end of the show. Stick around so we go over the biggest fantasy. What if we're look at stars. I could have went to different teams. And what would have happened. What their fantasy implications on those teams. Or could they have won a couple more championships. If they played more stick around to the end of the show to figure out but first we are going to talk about. Who's your quarterback. I quarterback i want to talk about. Is andy dalton. Just signed a one year ten million dollar deal with the chicago. Bears thought they wanted russell. Wilson talk about a what if they could have got russell wilson or try to get russell. Wilson reportedly for two unnamed starters a third round pick three first rounders seeks convinced. The bears were one of the most aggressive suitors for russell wilson but instead they got themselves to read rifle andy dalton already talked about passing in the show and i can't believe that the bears and ryan pace are going for this right now. What is going on in your mind. The bears are not running their organization. Right as well. Just like the jets in the texans. They spent overspent on a high paying contract for mike glennon. That didn't work under ryan pace. Then they try to get the most expensive backup in the nfl. In nick foles. That didn't work out. They draft mitchell trubisky over. Patrick mahomes into shawn watson. What if that didn't work out and now they're here trying to drive sign andy dalton and any dawson just came out on the eighteenth and said that he was told that he's going to be the starter on chicago bears. So it's not like he's coming in there and okay he's not going to bring that much vanishing implications these are huge vanish. Implications do you draft allen robinson next year with the red rifle back there. The red rifle has proven that during the regular season. He can put up what he has to put up. A stout bengals quarterback one of the best ones never wanna playoff game. That's why he never got the credit that he kind of deserved but any dalton russell wilson. They went shopping for russell. Wilson and came back with andy dalton and now the bears are heated. The best bears quarterback of all time is jim mcmahon was going to say i guess jay cutler because jay colored has really was the only quarterback who kind of threw good but he doesn't have a quarter super bowl decorated like. Jim mcmahon. no one else. No one else in bears. History is a good quarterback. The bears don't drag good quarterbacks and it doesn't make sense to me speaking about bears draft quarterbacks that don't make sense to me. The bill signed on the eighteenth mitchell. Trubisky who was a free agent. And that i've talked about on the show that he was not going to be on the bears much longer. That's why they were looking for russell wilson and others but the bills just got mitchell trubisky gone straight out the waivers and makes a lot of for fast implications because the way that offense works on. The bills is a move side to side. There's a lot of quarterback rollouts. There's a lot of getting the quarterback in open space. I'm rolling now. And then the receivers run along with the quarterback while he's running out so then he's in their field of vision. The bills have good play calling. They have a great organization. They have good coaching and they had a good offensive line. Top five in the nfl. So mitch trubisky falling back behind. There isn't that bad of a get mitchell. Trubisky was hurt most the time. Yes yes do not. i'm not. i'm not Disputing that but mitchell trubisky. Has he chance to learn from sean. Mcdermott who groomed josh allen beautifully. Who's gonna probably groomed mitchell trubisky. Good matt nagy. Who had a bottom. Fifteen offense is not going to groom quarterbacks he just a wonky guy likes to do a lot of crazy plays and a lot of crazy schemes. That any never gave mitchell trubisky the respect that he kind of wanted mitchell. Trubisky started out the year. Four no still didn't get the respect. You want it. Because then after a bad week they throw nick foles right in the middle of a jaguars game. Nick foles actually came back to win the game. Which was hilarious. But they just never gave bisky the kind of like when you have a kid and you want to put him on a bike he needs. You need to take the training wheels off and you give him a little push. They weren't given little push they were just keeping. The train was off him in the saying. Oh no no no no. You shouldn't hop back on the bike. You're gonna get hurt. Whatever we have someone else who's more experienced and arty knows how to ride the bike. Nick foles hop on. They got that wrong. Nipples got carried out a car against the vikings because offensive. Line isn't the worst. But it's not the best and now. The bills have a solid foundation of a team. If i were to go down because they do rely on him a lot thirty to forty throws a game. This guy is going to come in mitchell trubisky and at least when you some games he's going to be the backup like teddy bridgewater was on the saints. You don't want teddy bridgewater star view. You don't want mitchell once again. You don't want guy that jason jameis winston takes him hill to start for you but these are good good backups. So at least you know josh allen you could pick mitchell trubisky on a floor and he could get twenty fantasy points. Easy easy easy. That's what he did when he was on the bears. Things clicking this offense is way better his way better offensive weapons. John brown coal beasley. Gabriel davis to funding is one of the best top two receivers going into next year. Mitchell trubisky has the weapons and has the offense to do it. Now it's up to sean mcdermott. To groom him and i guess buffalo. That's one of your new quarterbacks. That's a big one but a bigger signing was the washington. Football team signed quarterback ryan fitzpatrick. Who used to be on the miami dolphins on a lotta teams actually. Is that a crazy crazy career. He's played like sixteen years one year. Deal ten million dollars ryan. Fitzpatrick has played for the dolphins. The bucks the jets. The texans the titans the bills the bengals and the saint. Louis rams yes. Let's throw it back to saint louis when they used to have a football team gave everyone a little bit of love but miami. He just came off of a pretty solid year. Two thousand yards passing thirteen touchdowns eight interceptions. That's the problem with the gunslinger. He's he's gonna sling. He's gonna sling rock all day so he's causing going to be doing. It's causing and go yards per throw. He does seven yards per at least seven points. So let's eight gertz. though he's not doing dinking dunk passes. He's gonna be stretching the field and now he's on the washington football team. This helps out tear maclaurin on so many levels. It's not even funny. Terry maclaurin just got some. You know advocation from chad ocho cinco yesterday. And he said the term koren's gonna have a fifteen hundred yard season mark my words i kind of believe channel just single one. I know he's full of his own stink. Sometimes but this guy knows receivers 'cause years one. he's one. He's no dispute. He's one of the best receivers of all time and the best bengals receiver of all time. This guy also said that he saw davante adams. This was like two three years ago. He saw video of dante adams. Run routes and said this guy is the best receiver in the league slash. The best also route running the league. What happened to or eighteen touchdowns. You couldn't even guard him. Jalen ramsey have trouble even guarding him in the postseason when the packers beat them this year so he knows about his receivers ryan. Fitzpatrick has everything. He needs kurdistan madrassa got added to the group so he has a young receivers. Curtis samuel terry maclaurin on the other side. It's not like a steve simms and camps in junior which are decent receivers. but now those are the backups. not tobacco's but the third strings and maybe just an outside guy utah every once in a while when everyone's gardening terry and oh did i forget the top four tight end going into next year in my opinion logan thomas logan thomas had a great year. Stu- we broke out. He had he was the fifth ranked titan vanity last year. He went on a tear and the last in the latter end of the season helped me win a championship as he scored over ten points. A double digits in six out of the last seven games. He was on a terror as soon as they started figuring out what they're going to do with him. Ron rivera is a fantasy machine. We love this guy a quarterback because he is not afraid to go to christian mccaffrey like he did on the books all the time. Not afraid to kelvin. Benjamin not on the books the panthers. He's not afraid to kelly kelvin. Benjamin and make him fantasy relevant and fee him all the time he's not afraid to go to greg olsen make him a fantasy prevalent tight end. This guy likes to go to feed the best receiver a lot. I'm going to feed the best tight end. If he catch the ball like logan. Thomas can i know he's old. We're gonna throw it to him a lot. Oh and we already know what ryan fitzpatrick does tight ends. We see him with my koseki average over seven yards yard catch and six hundred fifty yards which second among students who have at least ten catches. Mikey was getting a lot of clout from ryan. Fitzpatrick tool would come in and like sling rock more and like I mean just it down the field more rabbits patrick's more of a only outdoor between ten to twenty yards tools. Like oh i'm gonna go dump passes because my hip hurts so that was the reason why ryan fitzpatrick didn't thrive more this year. Still you know lettuce team to a foreign three forty record. He's going to give you the eight eight record and make your fantasy team beautiful. This just helps tear maclaurin. This helps curtis samuel. This helps logan. Thomas and not as much in tonio gibson because i liked that antonio gibson would get the ball lot because taylor heineke or alex smith. They're just afraid to go. Deep all the time tale hunky more was was more likely to down the field to logan. Thomas but alex smith for most of the year comeback player of the year. That guy was a dump to my running back. He's been that way since he was on the chiefs since he was on the niners he just doesn't like to go dp. Does intermediate too low routes so ryan fitzpatrick not gonna throw to the running back as much. Because he's going to see the field more not be afraid to sling it because he not afraid of his arm even though he's going into a seventeenth year but ron rivera will find a way to give it to antonio gibson like he did with christian. Mccaffrey i've been saying since last year. You obviously. I didn't have a podcast last year when in fantasy football. But i've been saying it's that this guy loves running backs and antonio gibson is going to be the next christian. Mccaffrey just mark my words. I promise you. I promise you i promise you. Who's your new quarterback texans. Oh it's tyrod taylor. You just signed him to a one year deal worth up to twelve and a half million dollars. Tyrod taylor the poor the poor bloke as they like to say in britain this guy can't catch a break he is probably going to start for the shawn watson for the simple that shawn watson does not want to play for the texans. How much of an ex boyfriend or girlfriend or you texans. Let go of this man. Let go of the shawn watson. he does not want to be there. You keep saying all by your ferrario by multiple properties just because you say that doesn't mean they wanna stay. Some people actually want. They want good morals. They want a lot of good things in someone. and texans. don't have any of those things. There are just a terribly ran organization. That shouldn't be dealing with the shawn watson because the shawn watson is a ten out of ten quarterback that should be on a team. That's going to use him right. You them right and make him a better fans yes. He led the league in passing yards last year. And the texans stink. He the texans stink. And now we got poor tyrod taylor. Who's been getting hosed. He was on. The bills started out five. He's been on a lot of teams like the browns too but he was on the bills more notably. Start off five. No you tyrod. Taylor was the true. They lost like six. Last seven. Missed the playoffs. Of course because the patriots are in their division. tyrod taylor. Dan joins the chargers gonna start. It's my time let's go. Philip rivers gone. It's tyrod taylor. Time then they draft. Justin herber like okay. That's kind of interesting first week. Charges loose charger charges already. Hit the panic button. it's over. They they call the they call the upper ups and say so tyrod. Taylor is not it and just in her might be it. We might as well. Just take the flyer on him. Punctured lung when you have to do the little shots that you give them the back. So tyrod taylor going into one of the games week two. I think it was against the kansas city chiefs. He was supposed to go on the field but he got a punctured lung by the doctors. The team doctors. Your they're supposed to be your a boys and a punctured a hole in your lung so now you have to miss games and now it's just in herbert's time and then he shines and of course tyrod taylor doesn't get the chance anymore. His light was over. He had no shine no shine. He had all the shine and then they just took it. It just blew out the candle. So then tara. Taylor is now on the houston texans. Who probably going to be the starting quarterback next year. If deshaun watson doesn't start and tyrod taylor starts mark my words please. Mark my words. David johnson over there. Do not get anybody on the houston. Texans this is just the worst thing that can happen for the texans. I don't trust anybody. Tyrod taylor is never shown that he could be quarterback He's he's made forty seven starts for the like. I said bills browns and charges. But he's just never proven himself to be a guy unless you give them a lot of weapons like the bills did at the time. But no i just don't see it. Just fade anyone on the houston texans because it all starts with the quarterback and if your quarterback tyrod taylor which most likely is going to be fade him. So that's your new quarterback houston texans. I hope you're happy with him. A fantasy people please fade them. Fade them when i when i say to stay away from them just run run now. Takeoff forest run. Go forest. Run he new orleans. Saints just retired from your team. So now who's your quarterback jameis winston. You guys just resign on a one year. Deal twelve million dollars. You believe in him now. You gave them three million last year. Now it's time again. Twelve million jameis. Winston hasn't had that much play just for the simple fact that drew brees kept playing and they chose tatum hill over him but tatum hill can't sling the ball. He he can't throw he's as bad as tibo when it comes to throwing the ball. He's a great runner a good competitor. Good gadget guy. good winner. Bona comes to we want the faint. The faints the saints. Fantasy defense to start going off. We need jameis. Winston jameis winston is the light. That's not going to help. Alvin kamara with the little dump passes. Because they're gonna give it to them. But james winston throws a deep. May i remind you what he did. Two years ago on the tampa bay bucks when he led the league with thirty touchdowns and also led the league with thirty interceptions. You don't draft. James winston but michael thomas. He's gonna go on deep brought to you trick want smith. He's going to go on a deep brought to you too and it's also good at emmanuel sanders. Isn't there for michael thomas. If anything they're gonna force feed. Michael thomas like jameis winston ditto mike evans at your and made him a top ten fantasy receiver. He's gonna give probably ten touchdowns. James winston is the starter as of now. They are reporting that it is going to be a competition between the two going into the off season. So you just want to keep a close eye into that. Because tatum hill makes alvin kamara. Better jameis winston is gonna make pretty much everyone on the saints offense. Better alvin kamara. Just a tiny bit less on the receptions because taste jason winston is not afraid to throw it deep. He really isn't most of his passes are and he's just a bad decision maker. I'd like. I said on the other episode. This guy stole crab legs from a supermarket. You don't trust that that's already one like you know. Point about his character. He threw three picks in a year. He couldn't win a game under a quarterback coach in bruce arians. Who's a good coach. A really really good coach as we could see with tom brady. He just needed the right quarterback. But jamie's winston is a bad decision maker but he can help. Michael thomas have a great fattier. Tre'quan smith who is a fantasy sleeper. Now that they got rid of emmanuel sanders. So that's your quarterback new orleans saints. Let's move on to the miami dolphins quarterback who's your new quarterback because even though to is your quarterback and you got rid of ryan fitzpatrick to as had that hip injury. We talked about injuries on the show. He's also had injuries with this with throwing hand. It's just not. He's not always available and the best ability in the world's in football any sport in general is availability. As long as you're there you're in the running to get the starting position so james. The miami dolphins just signed jacoby set x quarterback of the colts. I didn't know he was going to go to miami and think that that's what they wanted but to us had a dislocated hip and posterior wall fracture. Which is really big. That's the same injury hip injury that bo jackson had an ended his career like it wasn't even a thing anymore. So it's going to be tough for tool because he you throw off your hip your legs. Everything from the bottom is what helps you with velocity the way the ball goes that direction. The ball goes. You're constantly stopping. Your foot and moving on that hip to gets hurt is probably going to get her. I could still get to this year. Fancy i would still fade him. Until i saw something. I'd like to wait a week or two. Until i wanna get someone in fantasy ammo guys. Like i'm gonna get ryan tannehill or someone in the sixteenth round that no no one's going to get and then i'm just going to wait for someone to pop up or i'm going to a rookie quarterback like trae. Lancers zack wilson. Depending on the place there in but dolphins your quarterback is jacoby percent. He's your backup quarterback. He started for the patriots and the colts started thirty games on the colts. Three games on the patriots. He has beaten the super bowl chiefs. yes he did. Beat the cheese thirteen to ten one time when the chiefs of the same year that the chiefs went on to win the super bowl. So he's proven that the moments not too big for him. He could slow the pace of a game down because that whole game. They're mainly kind of taken it out of his hands running the ball and just running smart. Play calling with frank right at the helm at head coach on the indianapolis colts but now he has brian floors who's a wiz guru uses. Lynn boden uses mackall and uses. All these guys that aren't there and now they just added will fuller. They added wolf all into the mix on the miami dolphins. So now jacoby percent has wolf fuller. Devante parker gaskin. Mike seki has enough weapons to slow the pace of a game down if to a needs to come in. They'll be fine though. be fine. That just should let you know that. If you get anyone on the dolphins which i would i would get myles gaskin in the later rounds but if you have to get some from the dolphins beef fill a little confident because at least they have a comfortable backup. Who's at least at least at thirty three starts. That's good. that's really really good Some quarterback that could that could be yours. Seattle apparently guys want sam darnold peco's berry high on the uc product. You know go figure p carol loves. Usc himself had to leave because of. Hey you'll fan right. He had to leave because they made him leave right. It wasn't his fault that he was paying a bunch of college but he wants. Sam darnold sam darnold on the seahawks would be awesome. The fantasy production would be almost the same to russell. Wilson's doing over there. Sam darnold a good quarterback. They just need a better line if russell if they do the swap russell wilson goes to the jets. Oh man data keelan cole. They have jamison crowder. That corey davis everyone starting to stack up but they stacked up on all the receivers for the jets. So i don't think that they're going to get rid of sam darnold. I think they're gonna give him this one year and say this is your time man. You don't mess up and we'll keep you you mess up. You get traded because everybody wants you accept us but that was an addition of. Who's your new quarterback when we come back we're going to go into this free agency frenzy and don't forget to stick around at the end of the show when i talk about the greatest and biggest fantasy. What if what they have done in fantasy football. 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This is the time of the year. A lot of people are trying to build their team slowly but surely get ready for the draft see with the draft also pulls up for them but as of now. We're gonna talk about all the crazy names that are getting taken off the market. I e j green longtime bengals receiver is now joined the arizona cardinals. They closed at a deal. One year worth eight million dollars. I don't get why the cardinals are just trying to get really old. I don't like kingsbury as a coach at all. The greatest thing about cliff kingsbury is that he coached patrick mahomes. And that's about it. But i don't like the cardinals. The cardinals are just the cardinals. In my opinion yes they did go to the super bowl that year but remember that was prime fits year the primised of fits and yes. They went with a usc back yard. You knew how that was going to end for them. Uc quarterbacks don't particularly win super bowls if we have to refer to matt liner. John david booty you know so on and so forth but yes aged Aj green is now on the arizona. Cardinals kyler murray has one more weapon. If anything helps. Carla murray's fantasy stock a lot more because kawamori has just like unlimited options. Now he has diop. Speaking about old people lay fitzgerald. Who might come back. Aj green christian kirk. He has a lot of people still. Donald tight end dan. Arnold is young so he still good viable titan. I wouldn't pick him up and fantasy. Don't get me wrong. I'm just saying carla. Murray has a lot of options. He still has kenyan drake. He has is good. Oh chase edmonds. A lot of good pass catching bags. Carla marie is one of the best running backs to throw the ball in the league. So he's always going to have that fast devalue. Aj green adding to the arizona cardinals doesn't do much for me like when it comes to drafting him because aj green is still someone. I'm waiting to the end of the draft to see if he's off the waivers because this guy's just gonna either get hurt. I mean times out on his favorite anymore. So i would kind of fade. Aj green for the most part but yeah aj. Green is now changing jerseys. He's going to the arizona cardinals speaking about changing jerseys john brown x wide receiver of the buffalo bills and y. Receiver of the arizona. Cardinals is now signed to the oakland raiders. According to adam schefter. John brown the deep threat is now wasting his talent to go to the oakland raiders. Who have no help and fantasy football whatsoever. John brown is a better than you're because he takes the top off except he catches the ball. The problem is he was getting hurt last year. He's getting older and other things times on his side. He gets any getting lower leg injuries which doesn't help most of the time so last year. That's why he was. You know the the bills kinda just faded him to. They're not even worried they didn't even wanna recite them. Oh we have cool beasley. And gabriel davis who are better even fantasy options. John brown. John brown on the raiders. I still would wait till the tenth round to get him. I'm getting even jerry jeudy. I'd rather get before john. Brown on the raiders. It's because the way jon gruden works is he plays with the game plan of the game. He doesn't try to force. It's a particular person. That's why it's not good in fantasy reasons. Just like how they do with christian mccaffrey or the football team. Does with antonio gibson and terry maclaurin how they try to force feed them and it helps out fantasy football. Jon gruden doesn't give a damn about your fantasy football team. He just there to take a lot of money from the raiders and maybe lose a super bowl down the line. And that's it. That's always there to do. But john brown on the team helps dare cars fantasy value if you have to pick them up on a week to week basis because their cars not the worst weekly. Pick up if you're in a twelve man league and say you need a flyer. You're starting quarterback aaron rodgers or dak prescott. One of these guys gets hurt. And you need a quarterback now this helps outdoor decor has a better weapon weapon the nelson. Agholor he still has. Darren waller who six six. You can't teach that. And then he has a good running back and josh jacobson the backfield who's always gonna make people wanna stack the box on them. Raiders are weird. Because they're just getting rid of old lineman so i don't know what their whole game plan is but i know that at least that's a good offensive weapon for them especially in fantasy but it's helping derek carr more than i would rather be hyped on john brown even though he's probably the best receiver on that team. Henry ruggs younger version than him. So why wouldn't you try to feed him more. So the seahawks signs rival tight end of the los angeles rams jailed everett. It's a one year deal. Gerald everett who played for the rams for the first couple years of his career actually the ceiling team. He's played for. He is now going to the nfc west rivals the seattle or the seahawks. Seattle i don't know why i want to say like that. But you're gerald ever is now joining the team. Russell wilson has a good tight end now. Joe whatever is was the best fantasy tight end for the rams last season. It was hard because jared goff is oh he was the worst and jared. Goff doesn't know how to get rid of the ball. He has too many delay of games if you see the games all the time his third down his third down percentage is awful. He has the worst decision making when it comes to it. Because he he gets panicked. When the pakistanis collapsing on 'em he scrambles or those are ill-advised pick so jared goff wouldn't help out Joe whatever it's to fantasy value as much as say a russell wilson. Now 'cause gerald. Everett is a perfect core silent silent. That's where he gets most of his play. So you have russell wilson who's a natural born improviser he's going to be scrambling all over the place. He has jailed. everett open. joe whatever it is interesting guy you should get them in like if you're going to get them getting at at least pass the eleven eleven twelve round but this does help russell. Wilson gives them another wider Another tight end. He hasn't had a really good tight end he used the best ones are hollister and will disney. But we'll disney was. Her halston was hurt. He has no one. That's consistent at the tight. End position decays dropping balls and catching Or dropping end on touchdowns while tin facemask. We got tired lockett. Who hurts his every other week. So then he can't play all the time at one hundred percent so then he's getting locked up. You're going to get the rams you're going to get some stout defence in the nfc west. You can't just yeah no no no. You can't just have just one or two weapons that are going to be unreliable jailed. Ever it's going to help. Russell wilson al jailed. It's i would say he's a fantasy sleeper when it comes to tight end but when it comes to me i i still wouldn't get him. I would get him personally. But if you are a seahawks fan you should probably be because this is a good offensive weapon. I don't know how it helps out with their real life implications you know. We're we're we're talking about fattest nfl nfl and fasi are linked together. But we're more of the fantasy side of it so we'll see how the seahawks do in real life. I don't think it'd be too good but russell. Wilson is a great fantasy quarterback emmanuel sanders just signed with the buffalo bills. Beat just took. John brown's position basically as soon as i was getting hyped on. Gabriel davis ebbing the number two and a stout number two because they love gabriel davis. He could really take the top off and he has a couple years. Three hundred yard games us here. Gabriel davis has everything and more than what it takes to be a great fantasy option. Because josh allen is gonna feed absolutely everyone he's gonna throw thirty to forty times a game. Stefan digs is gonna warn all that attention cole beasley as now put himself on the map especially having a thousand season this past year one and one of the better fantasy season two out of all the buffalo bills the second fantasy receiver on the bills. Fundings was crazy. John brown was hurt. Gabriel davis came in stepped up. It was his rookie year. This is the guy second year now. He's acclimating to the offense. He knows the playbook now. He's getting the chemistry with josh allen. These are little things and stuff that you gain of years of practice so now they are getting practice in. He's going to be a little bit better next year. I could see. Gabriel davis being a round six or seven to ten Receiver that's where you should get them if you're a ten man league six to ten is is a good spot. Because gabriel davis has a lot of upside in one of the most high powered offenses now adding emmanuel sanders. It's it's easy to say that they have the best receiving core. The buffalo bills did a smart. They jiaxuan they built offense line around him. They somehow quarterback guru him because his accuracy wasn't as good but they fix it during mechanics. They fixed the way. He does with his legs so now he's able to more accurately. Qbr's been up every single year. Ever since he's been on the sean mcdermott then. They surround him with these weapons though they gave him stefan digs last year they guy. Gabriel davis the draft cole beasley for a couple years but beazley's always been dependable receiver. He was just telling wasted. The dallas cowboys. It's all was the added. Devin singletary desi. Not the best running back. But he's a good pass catching back. So they're giving they're doing it the right way. The buffalo bills are an organization. That are doing it the right way. So if you wanna get offensive. Weapons especially stefan digs. Who is a top two fantasy receiver for sure next year along with gabriel davis being a later round receiver. But he's a good. He's a good pick emmanuel sanders. He's old but i am really interested. See what what he's going to do. Because this guy always knows how to bowl. He was on the broncos. Bought one super bowl. He was on the steelers. That's when he was a young lad bought and then he went to the saints still bolt. He puts up consistent numbers. If you're in a pr league. He puts up anywhere from ten. He averaged eleven fantasy points per game but he puts anywhere from pretty much ten to twenty points a game he would never do dirty especially with the drama queen. Michael thomas on the other side yeah emmanuel sanders. That helps that bills offense that helps everyone around. That's a great pickup curtis samuel ex panthers receiver yes x. Panthers receiver has now join the washington football team on a three year deal. He has now joining his ex colleague. An ex dorm roommate. Terry mclaren terry maclaurin and curtis samuel. Sounds like a really good. Do especially with ryan fitzpatrick. Look i get it ryan. Fitzpatrick has played a lot of years. And he's been traded to nine teams. I think he's played seventeen years and he's never won a playoff game. He's never really got a chance to but he's still got some chances and he's never won a playoff game. So that's the reason to be scared in real life about the washington football team but fantasy. Oh this is beautiful. This is so good. Criticism ron rivera is going to do exactly what the panthers are doing. But way better because antonio gibson's not hurt and he has fresh legs so he's gonna be doing with christian mccaffrey. He's been doing. Maybe not so crazy extent but to some sort of extent. He's going to still get fifteen to twenty points because pass catching in between the tackles great after the yard after the contact runner. That's just what he does. Then they have logan thomas who emerged as a great pass catching tight and he's a little old because now he's twenty nine but still logan. Thomas is a great pass catching titan. I would consider him a top four fantasy tied in going into next year and then they have term maclaurin who god for god bless term chlorine. Because this guy has had to deal with terrible quarterbacks dwayne haskins and one legged alex smith i know he was still good but anyone comeback player of the year. And you did. It had a good year in tyler. And taylor nikki. He had to deal with all these poor poor guys just like the hopkinson deal with people in the houston texans tara maclean. So much talent fits. Magic is not the best quarterback in the world but he can put a ball on you. He could definitely sling rock all the way down the field. He's not going to be scared. So gift mclaren was fifty or bombs tear maclaurin and then critic samuel the gadget guy. The guy they're going to have do jet sweeps on he's gonna get twenty yards or they're gonna even put him in the backfield sometimes as the probably the backup running back he does it all. Curtis samuel is good. He's just as young as term corn at twenty three. These guys are great. Great great options in fantasy. Next year i would get terry maclaurin top three rounds. Probably the third probably with your third pick tear maclaurin because i have a feeling he's good. He's really good and you know i know. He's good to chad johnson. Just the other day. Attorney mclaren's going to fifteen hundred yards this year. And you know not johnson knows what he's talking about because the year before davante adams went off this year. He said that he cried when he saw davante. Adams routes chad. Johnson knows a good receiver when he sees one tear. Mclaren's gonna have a crazy year. It's not like he's talking about a bomb or you're saying john. John brown is going to be the best receiver. no he's seen. A chlorine is going to have a great year. And that makes a lot of sense. So i would keep a big eye on him especially adding curtis samuel just ads. You know you have to spread the field more you have. You can't just worry about ten mclaren like they did in the past Rob gronkowski resigned with the bucks so they literally got everyone back on. A ten million dollar deal rob gronkowski top ten tight in. I'd get him in the tenth round if you could get him in the tenth round. If you're gonna ten-man league eight man league probably like in the eighth or ninth round if you could get him as later tight end. That's a better option. But the problem is he's going to be more hit or miss. He's going to be your typical fancy titan. So in that sense you might as well. Just take a flyer. Kyle pits coming out of florida or trying to get off the waiver wire so i see the values the same. I you got gronk off the waiver wire this year in most leagues because people gave up on him. At least people i know. Got him off the waiver. Wire so i know that you could get someone with good value on the waiver. Wire gronk is just there to help win a championship too. Many weapons on that field that the spread out to everyone. There's a lot of drama drama. There's no actually but there's a lot of egos on that team that had to be fulfilled and you can't just feed one guy in a fantasy friendly offense one guy who's going to be in a not so fantasy. Friendly offense is corey. Davis davis joined the jets on a three year. Thirty seven million dollar deal according to adam. Schefter corey davis is a great receiver. Not great he's good going on great like a b. plus receiver because he's really good if you saw what he did on tennessee titans this year. Npr he was top fifteen receiver straight out but it also helped having aj brown on the other side whose if anything better than decay metcalf out if you have to get the one of the almost receivers corey is a good receiver. And he's going to be added with jamison crowder and i guess. Brush rod perryman notes. Dindo mims denzel mmc with the guy. I guess they believe in sam darnold which i don't think they do because i think they're still trying to take calls for sam darnold so accordance on that team is. I don't know what he's going to be. i just don't like the jets. I don't like to get fancy Players from terribly ran organizations and the jets are probably the worst organisation in the league with the houston texans and now i'm adding the bears with that any dalton mr doing. Yeah so. I think that. Corey davis signing with the jets is a great option. And it's gonna help out. Sam darnold again that can help him out like derek carr which brown on the week to week basis. Where you need a flyer. Sam darnold has good matchup. Corey davis adds to his value. Because he's going to be a good receiver. Who's gonna get open. He's a great run and he's a good third down guy. So yeah yeah i just. I just wouldn't personally get him but corey davises. Corey davis is good receiver. So don't get me wrong. He's gonna be gone in fantasy within the top ten rounds so i just not going to be me and jones wasted his all his potential and wasted. Ag dylan's whole potential. That was going to happen for the green bay. Packers and resigns for a four year. Forty eight million dollar deal. Well he could have gone more in free agency according to schefter but he wants to be in green bay. He really wants to make the deal done. He still got twelve million a year he still one of the highest paid running back. Top five high-speed running back but aaron jones literally just ruined all the fantasy value of the running backs because the problem with jones is. He's not every down back and now that they figured it out the sauce with aj dylan. They're gonna use him more. And if aaron jones gets hurt which he's getting closer and closer to doing just because he's been the main back for so like for a couple of years now and get a young guy but you're giving them a lot of carries. Aj dylan's gonna start taking a lot of the grunt work. I feel like he's going to be a goal line back. So he's gonna take away touchdowns and volts him a lot woods good as they did give it a jamaal williams who just signed a deal with the detroit lions and i think that i would odyssey rather get jamaal. Williams anyone in the packers dot field. Just because i. I know jared goff's out to jamaal williams williams is actual good running back. Aaron jones is good running back that you could get if you won the first two rounds. But i'd much rather get travis. Kelsey who's going to be more consistent or i'd much rather. I would rather get josh jacobs the now jones. I rather get zeke. Jonathan taylor. There's there's just a lot of running backs i'd rather get. I'd i would even think about getting saquon barkley over aaron jones and i'm not hiding saquon barkley at all. Aaron jones has tampered that backfield. Because he's just going to be a drama queen all year and then not produce an interesting to be annoying. And i. I could see it already and i. It's just something. I'm gonna stay away from the giants think that they're getting better by adding devante booker and adding john. Ross from the bengals. John ross and a two and a half million dollar deal for one year and volunteer book. I think he decided them so. Always two year deal worth six million dollars demonte booker. I'm just saying these names because for sure one of the giants running backs is going to get hurt because they just always run with three other running backs they have wayne goldman saquon barkley and now devante booker but booker somehow going to get in the mix because someone's going to get hurt and then he's gonna vote your fantasy of value. Because that's what he did with. Josh jacobs that's what he did on the broncos and that's where he literally is a human vulture and then we have john ross. Who is the fastest man of all time. Apparently but can't get a break because he doesn't like being on the bengals so now he got what he wanted. He's on the new york giants in the worst division football. So now he's gonna prove himself beat the eagles corners or the cowboys corners. As if that's impressive in any way as if the corners or anything to brag about john ross has top end speed just because you have the fastest guy in the field doesn't mean you have the best football player and i know that's our charter. The same but john. Ross is just being ridiculous like he needs to become a better route runner. He needs to do a lot of better like he just. he's become a better overall receiver. He's gained some weight to he's too small. He's wages smart. I know there's guys like the sean jackson do it. But they know how to work on a field. John ross is tracks star speed. Doesn't mean he's going to be the best receiver out there Us tech resigns with the niners five year deal with twenty seven million so they paid him a lot of money. He's the highest paid fullback in. Nfl so just know. They're going to really value the run that that tells you anything. The niners are going to value the heck out of the run. Because i know that you've checks their boy too and that's why the also wanted to get this deal done but a big reason is because they know that under the couch. Shanahan offense the shanahan agains. They are going to run the ball. And that's also why they just signed williams to be the pace. Highest paid offensive linemen in nfl history. Six years one hundred thirty eight million. I don't know why tread williams wants to block for jimmy g. Over patrick mahomes still blows my mind but whatever crazier things have happened. That's why carl long is blocking for patrick mahomes. So everyone just beefing up on their line. Trying to protect what they got caught alongside Signed a good deal today. Signed a one year deal with the chiefs. She's just trying to test the waters and see. Hey maybe he's right guard and that's what they need. 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'cause i will never back down and i have one fantasy football championships so i am a hundred percent confident about talking about anything that i have to talk about or anything you want to talk about so without further ado we are going to get into the last part of the segment what ifs. What could have been who have been wear dolphins chance to get you breeze. They were both injured at the time and drew. Brees was on the then. What was he on the saints. He's on the saints at the time. So they're boulter and right now the saints were a little murky on if they could continue the future. Would you breeze. Even though we all saw what drew brees did for the next twelve years in two thousand and eight then they were thinking okay. Miami's like maybe we'll just get daunted colpepper the eggs viking. One of the better viking quarterbacks all time or would you get jiu breeze which who want a super bowl but we don't know if he's really to keep getting better or if that was the best you're gonna get drew brees spoiler. That was the best. You're going to give drew. Brees the saints were just cursed and drew brees doesn't have that much of a factor or maybe. I'm just being a hater. I've just never been a big fan of the aints they albuque- mars great michael. Thomas was great until he acted like a diva and ruined everything but the dolphins definitely messed up. They got dante colpepper in two thousand and eight. Ju brees threw four five thousand yards thirty four touchdowns and that led the league in both categories. Oh my goodness qbr reading of one. Oh nine point. Six or rate one of nine point six. Qbr is eighty two point zero which all are things that lead in the nfl at the time. Four hundred thirteen times. Six hundred thirty five Attempts ju- brees was balling in two thousand eight. It's almost as if the dolphins only got a one in three record for nine hundred twenty nine yards and three interceptions from dante colpepper. The poor guys man like they. They didn't have a chance. They just didn't have a chance she could have been. Dolphin could have been doing way better in miami. Because the saints occurs not drew brees the saints occurs. Not his fault that the saints lost to stefan digs macau roby and to the eagles. All just all off luke's nothing they can do about it. It's just hey man. You're cursed your curse. Those are real things. Dante colpepper being on the miami dolphins instead of ju ju brees is a big what if in fantasy what if the saints weren't even as good as they just ended up being. What if they don't even end up building on this franchise. And they just aggress. Back to the old seventies new orleans saints before archie. Manning even with archie manning this the saints stink. They're one of the first people to put the bags over their heads. In the fans in the stadiums the fans were just putting bags over their heads. The the saints. No that was a big. What if that's crazy. It's crazy to think that they chose a guy who only through nine touchdowns in year compared to thirty four when you look at both now down to culpepper whereas you breeze. That is a big. What if but. I don't know if it's a bigger would. If then what if rg three robert griffin. The state healthy for the washington. They had a different name at the time but now the washington football team he was lights out is first year. Remember picking them up on fantasy. This is exactly my point. You can pick up or g. three in fantasy football and nobody knows about him or you could draft him in the tenth eleventh round. I've drafted lamar jackson in the eleventh round in a ten man draft with a during this. Mvp year you can get people very late or if not on the waiver wire like rg. Three he was one of the people is looking at. But i never ended up getting him because i thought oh. I don't know how he's going to do with the washington football team but no he'd do for thirty two hundred yards. First year twenty touchdown five six five six. that's efficiency that's great decision. Making and that's electrifying one or two quarter one or two point thirty eight rating. He rushed for eight hundred and fifteen yard. Do for thirty two hundred rush for eight hundred off purpose. Four thousand yards. He rushed for seven touchdowns. Come on seven touchdowns averaging twenty one fantasy points a game. If you could get twenty-one fantasy points a game from someone who's not gonna be top nine draft. Pick get him. Rg three was electric his rookie year. Three hundred seventeen total fantasy points. That was seconds in fantasy points in two thousand twelve. He played fifteen games only though could play a different game. But one hundred and twenty times for eight hundred and fifteen yard. Six point eight yards per carry. That sounds like murray. And if you want carla marie of course you're going to be able to get him later No at the time you're able to get rg three later. But then the next year you weren't able to get him late so people sold high on him. They got him probably within the first three picks. I remember he still do for thirty. Two hundred yards still two for sixteen touchdowns but twelve interceptions. People were starting to figure out running. Quarterbacks don't last too long in the nfl so that's why it's good to get them while they're hot. Lamar jackson is kind. Define it but i've yet to see it. He's still only done for three years. Rg three and a second year. Instead of eight hundred fifteen rushing yards he at four hundred. eighty nine. Missed three games. Due to injury. Average yards per. Carry rush for no touchdowns. Instead of twenty-one fantasy points per game sixteen point fantasy points per game because of his injury then let's just keep going twenty fourteen. He had nine point seven. Fantasy points per game then. He joined the browns. You try to do that. Thirteen points per game then from there. You've just been back on the ravens. If he did not get hurt. And he was still producing those thirty. Two hundred twenty touchdown and five interception games where he's also rushing for eight hundred yards. Basically just lamar jackson doing at least but he threw for three thousand yards. Still still darn good so. Rg three. if he didn't get hurt. Who knows what would happen with the washington football team. I mean it's not that late now. He's still plays but he's just never been the same. You saw him when he came out. When lamar jackson got her in one of the playoff games against the bills. Rg three came out. Look terrible they brought got hurt then they brought him trace mcsorley and he looked a little better argue. Three is nothing like the. Rg three of old. Let's not forget. Rg three is a former heisman winner. Yes heisman winner. Those don't just grow on trees. And i understand that. No all heisman winners pan out in the nfl but he's still one of the best college football players at the time any beat out stanford andrew luck beat out a lot of promising people. Beat up people from usc just overall a great. I think it was mark ingram at the time but rg three could have been an absolute monster on the washington football team if he played imagine him with antonio gibson right now imagine. The the only problem was why. This is a hardwood. If is because like i said every time you get a mobile quarterback. Who's a lamar jackson. A michael vick a rg three. They learn they see the film and since the film so good in the nfl since people are so fast. You're not in college anymore. You're not gonna burn these people who aren't gonna make it to the nfl. These are the one percent than one percent primetime athletes in the world. These guys are going to ball and there are a lot faster. They're going to catch you. There are a lot stronger. They're going to hurt you so when they they're gonna make you pay and defensive. Coordinators are more grimy when they're in in the nfl because you'll lose a job just like that if you don't produce and your house is wherever your your football team. Is your families living there. There's a lot of things on the line. You do not want to lose this if it means you gotta do dirty play like how greg williams did run to win the super bowl on brett farve. Kurt warner you see that film. Oh my goodness they were massacring these old men just put them into retirement. why don't they. It was the saddest thing you could see because brett farve you kind of like. Yeah let's go but greg williams like nope. I'm putting bounties on him giving people a couple thousand extra dollars just to take. That guy's head off greg. Williams is still great defensive coordinator. But that's just a knockoff. From him on the defense is just always always always a tricky situation. So as i said before. And i will say again mobile quarterbacks do not work out defenses will figure you out and the film catches up to you. Film always catches up to you so i wouldn't have lasted. Maybe till today but imagine what if what if he was with antonio gibson. What if you had the security blake in logan thomas. You would be a lot more confident in the washington football as a top ten. Fancy offense then you do say ryan fitzpatrick. That was a big. What if let's talk about the bigger. What if what if the bears under ryan pace who we just talked about that. I guess great. Gm as people like to say. Got patrick mahomes. Or does shawn watson instead of mitchell trubisky. I'm so happy that passion mahomes got the quarterback coach that he deserved and just a coaching general. The players coach and a great coach just throughout time. He just had a kryptonite against bill bell chick and i guess tom brady just scares the bejesus out of andy reid. But i'm glad that he was there. And i'm glad he didn't have to deal with matt. Nagy and ryan pace and the bears and they're terrible kind of line and then not get letting out ellen robinson leave. They're just forcing him to stay there and like no. We'll give you a quarterback. We'll give you dalton dalton but the bears decided to get mitchell trubisky in the twenty two thousand seventeen job class. Oh my goodness. I i could see where you kinda want mitchell. Trubisky but Man i just i it just bothers me that those two guys are on the table. And you really went with it. And that's the equivalent to if you want like basketball the nineteen eighty-five nba draft with michael jordan. Akeem olajuwon and sam bowie. I bake cookie milan rockets. They didn't miss second pick. Sam bowie portland trailblazers. They obviously missed. And then third pick michael jordan. We know the rest of the whole story but imagine the bears taken mahomes and the all my goodness man. It may have worked. It may have worked. And what about the shawn watson would. If does shawn watson was a bear would have the shawn watson thrived as much as he does now. Yeah he would have and you know. Why because with the terrible texans this year who barely had over five wins they had shots and still led the league in passing yards with over forty eight hundred passing yards like the bears. Just do not make good decisions. And they make h crazy because they've constantly done this over time in the history of the bears them like dole bears. They're dumb missing on every day. Pick to shah. What patrick mahomes literally has. There's just so many. I can't even just keep naming the stats patrick mahomes. Because he just has so many like it do for the most touchdown in season okay. that's cool. He has the most passing yards through. The first hundred games cool. He has the most passing touchdowns through the first hundred games. Cool he also has the best record over twenty six games out of anybody cool. He also has like come on now. He has a super bowl as a super bowl. Mvp has mvp. he's this guy leads. The most like one of the highest rated offenses of all time he gives. Travis kelsey may chose kelsey the The highest receiving yardage tight end in. Nfl history this year over fourteen hundred yards like this man. Don't miss patrick. Mahomes don't miss but andy. Don't andy reid is give them credit because he probably did what he had to do. Butts already know that. Patrick mahomes the beast and the shawn watson just won a national championship. So why wouldn't you get him. Why wouldn't you get to shawn watson. Dabble sweeney literally see. Came out and said this guy's like the michael jordan of college football not even college football a football. He had so much hype around him. Just get him. Who cares at least you whiffed on a national champion. It's not jamarcus russell. were getting with. This guy is actually a guy who gets mobile. He knows how to throw. He's accurate he knows how to go. Deep go long decision making great. It's just it's team always stink. Because he's been plagued by a top three terrible franchise in the houston texans. The browns were in that list. And they just got jumped by the houston texans because the houston texans. Don't wanna make the right decision to save their lives but at least they're not the bears and at least they knew the shah watson was going to be good because i don't get what the whole bears like. Like methodology was thinking like that does shawn watson super bowl quarterback national champion quarterback who beat alabama by the way. You're not just being any team. You're being an sec team out of an acc conference. You're not your top your top school. Don't count you out. Yeah see clemson. Relevant again to shawn. Watson is a unicorn within himself. he's not just you know he's not just notional that you could have just passed on it just didn't make sense to me and patrick mahomes. They already traded. Alex smith or released alex smith right away. The chiefs did after bashar homes for sure. They saw him in practice on the like. Whoa this guy's crazy good and we're just gonna roll with him from now on second year won a super bowl and you know the rest of the legacy of patrick mahomes. But i'm just. I put i bring that up because you see that the chiefs saw that and they obviously were like. Oh wow. this guy's once in a generation bear saw what nothing another. What would have aaron. Rodgers went to the raiders. He almost paid for the raiders. Because brett farve didn't want to didn't want to leave. He was like. I'm gonna stay from two thousand five hundred twenty. I'm still gonna be the the quarterback and the raiders off rogers but the packers were asking for multiple picks ultimately. The raiders ended up drafting jamarcus russell with the number one pick and that did not pan. Well we know what. Aaron rodgers does in fantasy football. We know what he does. Every year he was the second had the second highest the second most fantasy points in all of fancy football last year with three hundred. Eighty two right behind josh allen. He'd do for forty eight touchdowns led the league. Forty two hundred ninety nine yards led. The league rushed for three touchdowns. This man is crazy. Over five picks forty five picks ratios insane. That is great. That is great decision. Making aaron rodgers. and it's typical raiders. And that is why. Always dog the raiders on the show that typical raider nonsense the always liked to fade the smart options. They could got rid of that. Pick from jamarcus russell. Someone else and someone else and got aaron rodgers but no what did they do. They said screw it. We're gonna get jamarcus russell. Instead of aaron rodgers. Aaron rodgers is according to ryan. Clark just dropped his little list the other day. The only reason. Why i like ryan clark's. Espn lists the other day was because he put passionate homes at five. And that's my favorite quarterback of all time but at three put aaron rodgers. I don't think he's third all time. I think he's the same level as drew brees if not as good as drew brees but and rodgers has that much clout that people think. He's that good. So that just shows how legendary of a quarterback jamarcus russell okay jamarcus russell would literally lie to the raiders and say he watched film and then the raiders would be like. Oh yeah remember when this. This and this happened is oh yeah. I remember when this this and this happened. And then they're like in their mind like none of that happened. We just to to see if you actually watch film and obviously did it and jamarcus. Russell got heavily. Overweight didn't matter anymore and went from. Lsu national champion to. What could have been raider. i guess. But the raiders could have got their hands on him and that would have been super super crazy. Fitzgerald's almost let to the eagles for a first round in that third round. But that didn't happen because the cardinals didn't want to do it. But imagine later on the eagles from two thousand eight later he could have got a ring he he would have stayed with the eagles because he just stays with bird teams. And that's how the fits author operates and he would have been on eagle team he would have been thriving with the eagles. I would have had some respect for the eagles. I don't like them. Because of the east coast raiders to me but the eagles man would've loved to have the fits. Who who's been a top ten fantasy receiver throughout the decade easy. Easy easy easy him and aj green at the time. Who were balling a lot. But calvin johnson and lay fitzgerald butler fitzgerald just consistent man. He's never going to drop the ball. He's never going to be hurt. And he's never gonna complain and he's never gonna block because he's not getting the ball. He's not a drama queen. He's everything we want and every everyone he would have been a great fantasy receiver. I feel bad that he's just getting old and he didn't win that super bowl against the steelers even though he deserved it but that was a great pass by big bench tonio homes. I'm bouncing all over the place. I just love the sports the sport of football and getting to me to talk about fancy football just just rows me up. Just give me all jazzed up. If i have to keep saying these corny data rooms but let us know what you think at gs mc fantasy football podcast. Thank you for listening to the gs mc fantasy football. Podcast remember follow us on youtube facebook and twitter. 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2019 Rookie Review Show + MAN LUNGS

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2019 Rookie Review Show + MAN LUNGS

"Hey clam before we start today. Show WanNA remind you you can go to ultimate draft kid dot com. Get in on the preorder for the two thousand. Twenty alternate draft kit. Which means that if you do that before March I you got a shot at a listener league spot and a whole bunch of other perks? Check it out and ultimate drafted Daca it well to the fantasy football podcast with your hose. Andy Holloway the Jason Moore and my grades. Oh He's a grizzly day. ooh Yes I just wanted to keep making grunts so so the people on the podcast side didn't know if it was you or J. Grid. Yeah well that's what they didn't know who was out. Okay now I get what you're saying. It was a mystery story mystery revealed. It's it's not me Jason Jason's out today too bad. Yeah Thursday February six Mike and I we have on lockdown rookie review show today. We'll talk about a few of the names that came up during the truth but really just about the whole rookie class. What took place this year? Some historical context how. I think this is very helpful for the Dynasty Keeper League player. Getting to kind of see how we project these rookie performances. Because obviously you know we talk about the tight end position all the time right like having a rookie season at tight end that is meaningful for fantasies. Very difficult to do and who I have some numbers that will shock you okay. You don't want to reveal them now. No they're more of a later. Stay tuned okay. How're you doing today by the way I'm doing fantastic Aston? Have you recovered from the fact that we did a spit ballers episode. That was just filled with us. Drafting sad movie memories. I I have that that had that made an impact on me. We had we had to relive like twelve to fifteen of the saddest movies of all time on into the night right. Yeah I left work yesterday feeling like I was in a fight. I had fought a large man. Yeah Lost Lost Jason's not here. She's been crying crying. Continuously the thing about going to the now we're talking about spitballs but when you go to that verge the edge of crying but you don't actually cry that worse. It's it's like a when when you have to sneeze sneeze doesn't come out right. It is magnified by at least three hundred so you just you feel the whole day like man. I really should've I should've cried. I held it back and now I just feel like crap. You didn't get their release correct so I think like we. Jason went home and he tried to watch braveheart so maybe he was trying to get his cry on right at the end of that. So if you want to witness us on the verge of crying check out the Spitfires podcast. That'll be this Mondays. Yeah upcoming Monday's episode. All right You can find us on twitter at the F. F. Ballers we did put some new shirts up at shot bothers dot com including the new twenty nineteen nickname shirt. We also have a spin bowler shirt up there and all of the championship. Swag if you WANNA show off you WanNa Brag about your lustrous title from last year. Here's a quick question. For the day there was a player. We didn't talk about on the tight end truth episode that we probably should have but maybe by not talking about him. It says a lot but brooks wants to know what's the truth about Hunter Henry. All right right Hunter Henry. This past year played in twelve games. Fifty five fifty five receptions six hundred and fifty two yards yards. Five touchdowns had a stretch from week six through eleven where he was very good. Use a beast But when you had one game the whole year that he qualified as a great fantasy tight end game worry rate. His injury history is huge. Right I mean. He sat an issue in each of the past three years. And I'm sitting here just looking at this career for Hunter Henry. And he's a free agent now but you're talking four hundred seventy eight yards five seventy nine six fifty two eight touchdowns to four to five. Is there a point where you're just moving on from hunter. Entry Hunter Henry Hunter Henry Potential. Not Me. You're not no oh I am. I think I'm I'm done Zolt. See I I I totally understand wanting to be done just the injury history of missing entire season with an ACL. I mean getting hurt seemingly every single time every year that he has played but I think that he is a great tight ends on. I'm not just going to completely move on from that because we have seen guys. They're injury prone until they're not hunter Henry could move on to uh-huh different team and to his credit and to talk about. La has had a hard time keeping people healthy. I'm not I can't speak to their the doctors on their staff or the way that they're training their sports medicine but DEM seemingly like Washington. They just can't keep people healthy. The the hard part gauging the truth though is just. He's a good player. He's a great tight end. He's good blocker he's a good pass catcher. But you don't know where he's going to be next cheer even if he's back in. La You don't know who is quarterback is going to be. His on. Red Hat is is so large at this point exactly so I'm not asking asking you to retire Hunter Henry. I'm asking you to retire. His potential for fantasy owners because for three consecutive years. It hasn't paid out is kind of where I'm at. And then you mix in the variables like if he was coming back to. La With Philip Rivers. who had you know isn't in decline? It's a different story from right from a predictability standpoint because you still had what seven weeks from weeks six on that he was a really good tight. End for your fantasy team and like you said I think he's a talented player. But at the tight end position you kind of can get stuck in this place of L.. This'll be the year. This'll be the year and I guess I'm just not willing to take on the new court because it'll be a new quarterback no matter what team. I'm not sitting there going hunter. Henry is going to get hurt every every year but I think Hunter Henry probably going to be a fifty catches. Seventy target five hundred and fifty yard guy for the rest of his career depends where he goes. I mean he he could. Someone could throw the bag hunter Henry and say come be a folk link. I do I really do. He's his yards per game has gone up every year except for two thousand eighteen when he missed the entire year but I really really believe in the talent of Hunter Henry and NFL teams take. They will take the chance on a guy who seems injury-prone while Brooks put in some dynasty this or that question questions with Hunter Henry and I am. Here's a spoiler. I'm taking not Hunter Henry on all four of them. Austin Hooper Ingram Darren Waller Mark Andrews. Are you taking Hunter Henry in a dynasty league over any of those four probably not like hooper would be the one to think about but I am not going to do that. Hooper's tough because I've I mean he's also a talented pass catching tight in. But he was a product of his offense fence in the what's the probability that sustains or goes down the probability of his opportunity going down I think is greater than him remaining an elite fantasy titan. And but Evan Ingram you could say the same thing about his injury history of a will it ever. Will it ever ever happened on a of a full year forever. Ingram I I mean. I don't know I don't know in in Dan Waller he was. His breakout was at a much older age aged than than we are used to tight end. was that just a flash in the PAN. We've seen seasons like that from from from tight ends especially like Tim Right you remember Tim Right. Gabrielli Tampa Bay right. Yeah so one of the things as I was getting ready for the rookie show took a look back at the historical or context of what it looks like to be a top. Have a top fantasies. CR sees him for a rookie since two thousand eleven tim. Right has the second best S. fantasy season as a rookie tight end and that do just yeah. Disappeared vanished into the clouds. You WanNa know something shocking you br I know you got shocking stuff. Come right I got for you right now. Hunter Henry is younger than ever Ingram. Yes that is shocking to me. Henry is th. That's part of it. His breakout both so young. They're both twenty five so you're right. It is about the destination and whether you can kind of is the team bringing him in to be a centerpiece right. Is he coming into a situation. Where the quarterback looks the tight end position frequently because he certainly a very talented guy possession type guy in a red zone type of player I think he is more complete? He's a more complete player than Austin. Hooper is it asking a different question to say whether you would just be willing to go on that ride again verses like the possibility exists that he's good but as a fantasy owner going on that ride for the last few years has been. It's been out. I guess what I'm saying. Dynasty to give actionable adviser if I could buy Hunter Henry low in a dynasty lead. I would one hundred percent be doing that right now. Yeah taking I will take the chance that he ends up somewhere. That he's a good situation. I can't guarantee he won't get hurt again. Yeah but that's just anybody up all right. Let's talk some rookies breath. Wookey Review Miami. While you're is drop it dude doodle do. which isn't that two one? Oh I mean definitely not no. That's rookie review view. Yeah it's just resembles like a eighties. TV Show you could see it happening on an eighty TV show. I can see that working being a theme team so if you went back in time and applied it Ruder. I thought you were laughing because I feel like somehow all of your rifts are goofy movie. That's that's an been hidden from goofy movie. No there's there's one but it's not hidden very well. We'll begin their couple months from now. Yeah and and speaking of like the Disney movie. Yes rankings. Pantheon is that your own. Oh yes it is. Yes that is you watched it again. The other day I did it it was it was. It was up to Dad's choice. Much to the Chagrin of my children for the twelve hundred time. Be Rotate that choice. Go around the family annoying like Yup and they just they can pick whatever they want. Everyone has to endure. Yes unless I'm like man. We're watching the goofy movie again tonight. People have been overruled. What was your choice the week before my last choice yeah? I don't know that my last choice was like a month ago. A goofy movie too. I know gooby movie too is very disappointing. Extremely goofy movie. I mean there's no songs it's it wasn't you heard you heard mighty ducks. Mighty ducks is coming back. Yeah and AMELIO's coming back. That doesn't seem okay. It's been a while right. Yes I'm very interested to see how Melia was held up. How old the Bomb Bay man go back? Is he slick hair slick Eric. Bombay I want you to guess his age Ooh Mealy Oh yeah because it actually surprises me. How do you think sixty to fifty seven? Oh sorry Amelio. He's going to be just fine. I I hope Gordon Bombay coming back. All right. Rookie review timeless third with the quarterback position over the past five seasons only three rookie. quarterbacks have finished as top fifteen fantasy quarterback or better. They'll be James back in two thousand fifteen. He was the quarterback thirteen. Just barely Jamie's that's what I'm star. Call him just barely famous Just barely worth starting this past week. twenty sixteen. That was back. He was the quarterback six and then this past year Kylie quarterback eight and we talked about cuyler quite a bit on the truth show at Goodyear for fantasy owners the up and down year from NFL perspective but over five hundred rushing yards. It was a good season. I mean do you see a very bright fantasy the future for Tyler I one hundred percents. He a bright future for cuyler. I mean it's going to be just the the natural pick of of next year. Everyone's saying who's the new Lamar Jackson and I mean Kyla. Mary will clearly be the that the industry goes with. I mean similar profiles of very mobile quarterbacks. Very few guys have done what keiler has done of throwing going for over. Thirty five hundred yards and a rushing for five hundred yards and did it in year one. Yes I see it. Absolute Bright Future for for Tyler. Murray when I was looking up you know just kind of historical stats of the rookie. quarterback's it's not really surprising when that Twelve of the fifteen quarterbacks who put up top twelve of the fifteen top rookie. Your quarterback fantasy seasons man that was struggle struggle Israel getting there for that one that the twelve or fifteen their first or second round picks and eight of the fifteen are the first or second pick overall so basically when you're watching the draft probability wise if your quarterback is not the first or second pick off the board. You're just. You're not not gonNA get a good rookie season when I'm thinking about that. Division in the cardinals quarterback situation before cuyler. which was Josh Rosen? And a dangerous future right. I mean this is a this is a buzzsaw division. This is tough. You'RE GONNA deal with Bosa you're GONNA D- deal with Donald. You'RE GONNA deal with clowney possibly right or six games a year. You need a quarterback that can run away from them as fast as possible and you know. Murray fits the mold of somebody that you're going to get more weapons around him like you said the draft pedigree and we don't have to speculate as fantasy owners as due to the potential because from weeks one through eleven. QB Five we already saw the value. I mean I made a trade in a league where I unloaded. Murray Murray to get mahomes. Bright in spent six weeks regretting the decision because I had to pay a lot more than Kyle Murray and Murray Outperform mahomes during those weeks. He's had some stretches that were really good. Saw certainly an exciting future for cuyler Gardner men shoot Daniel Jones. The other two quarterbacks Rookies coming hanging in the had opportunities. This past year gardeners very difficult. When you can't even say for sure of Gardner is going to be the starter? I would assume he is going to be. But you have a really tricky situation in Jacksonville of you. You guaranteed nick. FOLES L lot money. Are you really willing to already move away from that. When he I mean falls lost the entire season really collarbone I know he struggled when he came back? He was coming off a collarbone injury. The Nick foles might be the better option next year. It's very interesting too. Because you know Tom Coughlin's gone. Now you bring in Jay Gruden underrun the offense. How committed will they be to foles? Bright what do they see from Gardner in training camp. Does your Fantasy League score for bonus points for jurors. Yeah Jorissen Swag Jordan Swag. He's going to score more than what he actually did. Last year he finished it It was the fifteenth most consistent quarterback. So there's nothing to be ashamed of as a rookie on a losing team especially a sixth round pick who wasn't supposed to be the starter outscoring Bakker. Oh Aw Gosh Yeah. Despite starting. Twelve games outscored Baker v most rushing yards the quarterback position so he could get out of the pocket and do some things very mobile fumble. Well the lot. Yeah but so. Here's Nick foles contract situation. He's going to be. It's GonNa Count twenty two million dollars against the salary the CAP but if they wanna get rid of him then the dead cap would be thirty. Three point eight million dollars so nick foles will not be going anywhere in terms of being cut in. You can't trade that contract either. What I know about Jay Gruden and again it will be determined right with how Gardner progresses and what falls dozen in preseason training Camp Gruden did make the tough decision of cousins over Griffin? Yeah he did. But I'm afraid Frei that that tough decision is that foles is a more complete quarterback could be as opposed to giving in to the narrative potential of the potential narrative Kerner in Jackson. That's what I mean. That's what I don't think will distort J. Grooms my he won't pick for fun. He will not pick for Robert Griffin is more fun occurred on their cousins and cure heke cousins is not as fun as Robert Griffin. But he's a better quarterback and I think that that's going to win. It's like if I had a handicap but I'm taking nick foles. Is the starter making Gardner. A very you know difficult proposition for fantasy owners certainly a hold in Dynasty Leagues Daniel Jones Jones six pick of the draft ridicule by many finished twenty four consistency rank was twenty nine. Had these four war blow up weeks basically. It was kind of like last year. With Josh Rosen and Arizona. Where one of the reasons I absolutely despised Josh Rosen? Is that with the amount of playing time coming got you had to have a game. You'd see something and you never saw anything Danny. Jones wasn't that Daniel Jones and we three second overall quarterback fantasy. She was in week eight number one in week. Ten number two and week sixteen number one. Now you didn't WanNa start them all the rest of the weeks of the year. No it didn't work out but you saw flashes and you know you go into year two and do those. Four Games of relevance for fantasy owners become does that become eight is he becomes somebody that you're looking looking at his streaming option. Yeah Daniel Jones is not going to be a late round target for me but for context of what he did. I mean really in four games because we just highlighted that he was very inconsistent but he had the tenth best fantasy rookie season for quarterback since two thousand eleven. So it's not like I mean. He did something of significance when and he will go out there and he will air the ball out. Get the team unhealthy. Get Evan Ingram. Actually working in and Saquon Barkley functioning again. It is going to be a waiver. Wire is interesting. If he's one of those guys where I'm not gonNA target him late to take my shot so to speak. I would much rather take my shot on. Matthew Stafford. Staffers for is GonNa go late. Daniel Jones will probably be undrafted but by the end of the year. If Daniel Jones improves enough in ends up the top twelve quarterback on the season it won't be he shocking to me. Yeah Yeah and then you did have the variable this year two of sake ones injury coming back from it. So whether that's good or bad for him him whether he targets saquon which wants to boost his stance he probably. Should you the way it worked out for Kyle Allen at times with Christian McCaffrey You had other quarterbacks potential wise Jane Haskins drew lock will greer need to talk about him although drew lock if you want to use his legs more. If you promise me never have to talk about Dwayne House. Can he looked better towards the end. I know he did and I hate that. Why give the guy chance? Don't you need him to be good for the sake of dairy maclaurin. Okay all right all right. Yeah we need it scary Terry. And there's rumors that shorted relieving pain Jordan Reed. We'll be cleared for twenty twenty twenty. Oh come on come on. There's not there's not being talked about right. No it's not rule eighty six. Yes been completely completely taken off the bugs you do take it easy over there. Anybody who follows that rule ends up in pure misery all right. Let's let's look at some running backs house Here's a stat for you. Since twenty twelve there have been at least two rookie running backs in the top. Twenty four for every single year. So that'll be a fun thing to keep in mind around draft time where these running backs end up this past year it was Mile Sanders. Listen Josh Jacobs and since two thousand eleven the top twenty rookie seasons nineteen out of twenty are from guys drafted in the first three rounds Sir. I'm sorry I'm looking at wide receiver. pull the over. The running back. Numbers are seventeen of twenty. Were drafted in the first three rounds of those that fit that that top. Twenty four mold. Yes that's impressive. In this past year was the first time we hadn't had a rookie since twenty fifteen end up in the top ten hin I mean last year you had saquon obviously running back to overall the year before you had four rookies in the top. Twelve with Chimera hunt for net and McCaffrey. This is some. This is an area where you can make a monster impact right away. We've talked about how hard it is to be a running back in the NFL. And get that big next contract contract unless your name's Derrick Henry and your some sort of outlier that deserves that big contract but you can go draft a guy like miles sanders. In the second third round you can pick up a Kareem Hunt and then have a huge impact for fantasy purposes. Just Jacobs to me certainly would have ended up in the top OP. Twelve heading not had. The injury missed three games. He officially missed three missed. You know more time than that. Because of the injury he was Y- Ah Josh. Jacobs had a very solid season. Some were in fact upset. That Josh Jacobs was not the offensive rookie of the year. He lost to Carla the Murray. But in those in this thirteen games I mean he was averaging nineteen eighty eight rushing yards per game and now moving forward for Josh Jacobs. What what's Oh almost? Call Them Oakland. What's Las Vegas? Gosh we gotta get used to. What's Las Vegas? Oh are they going to. It feels really weird. They're gonNA roll the dice. Oh get him out there in the past the wheel goodness let Jalen Rashard deandre Washington. Neither of them are under contract. What are they going to do? And the the big disappointment for Josh Jacobs was no targets twenty-seven targets twenty catches on the year for for a player that chose out like his bits pass catching profile in colleges last year at I think he had twenty receptions is his final year in college. Like that's a huge number for the running back position. You should be utilizing Jacobs more in that role. The future is bright and Josh Jacobs says a is one one of my top dynasty running backs. At the moment he is certainly. He's really good as well. The running back of choice from this rookie class moving forward Robert some might really like Mile Sanders. It's very clearly. Josh Jacobs to me like Mile Sanders at a he. I think he's very good but it won't be surprising to see three three running-backs in this year's draft class just automatically jump ahead of him and my dynasty nice to rankings. Yeah I don't disagree. There is a situation there in Philadelphia where I don't think you can bank on consistency at the running back position -sition right doesn't make miles sanders. Any less talented but situation matters quite a bit. It's GONNA matter. Josh Jacobs moving forward and Miles Mile Sanders is not going to give you consistencies twenty-ninth and consistency on the year even from weeks. Eleven on where he kind of stepped up for the team. mm-hmm you still twentieth inconsistency he's going to touch the ball but there's going to be you know there are going to be more pass catching weapons there than we saw this past year and rather they wanna give miles sanders the ball a lot compared to what we know. Josh Jacobs will get me. This was a heavy workload for Josh Jacobs in an injury riddled year. Two hundred forty two carries right something. We hadn't seen in college something that made people doubt weather. Jacobs would get all of that first the second down work and whether that was really the intention attention of the team but he is definitely the better player moving forward he was the intention to me. His his pace for Sixteen Games was almost three hundred carries a they were dear us using him as a workhorse. The Fridge forgive me. If I'm blocking this from my memory but wasn't last off season that they signed Isaiah Zia Crowell and then Crowell was injured for the year they had to lane that had to be a leader and yeah I think you're correct. Yes so what we saw from Jacobs now. Now the reason for Isaiah Crowell and that offense was to acclimate Jacobs to a big workload. He got back into it. I don't think they're gonNA be positioning positioning themselves to share that work when you've seen what Jacobs can do in the future so I'm not worried about them bringing another high profile guy but they will bring in look you you said. Those two guys are leaving. Why they're just they're not under contract? Currently I don't know if if the raiders are gonNA resign them. Yeah and the likelihood is that if they don't they'll bring somebody else into complement Jacobs. Obviously you don't run one running back active on Game Day especially a guy that's been hurt and miss the three last four weeks so Jacobs definitely like him more. We talked about both those guys on truth. What about some players? We didn't talk about as much David. Montgomery let's talk about him. Yeah fancy owners need to make a decision they need to. They need to figure out what to do with David. Montgomery like do bail out. Right one of the trappings of the ongoing year long fantasy football news cycle discussion topics I is that you can talk about a player for a really long period of time established the value that has now been proved on the field and then be trapped by that value. Oh you for years to come right when you should just move forward you should just move on. I'm not saying you should do that David. Montgomery I'm just kind of asking that question because before the season and in the preseason he made such a splash for people. There were such an expectation with Matt. Nagy what Jordan Howard had done and why they were drafting this guy in the third round and you didn't see the fantasy production or really the NFL production on a consistent basis. Gave you confidence moving forward in Games. where he didn't score a touchdown he averaged five point? Seven fantasy points per game. That's about Out His touchdown dependent as they come for a starting running back. I same rushing attempts as John Jacobs one more rushing attempts in Aaron Jones. Did nothing nothing with them. Where are you putting your odds on it not happening for Montgomery fifty percent? Okay so you just just right down the middle right down the middle would you try off load him in dynasty year. Yeah I would probably try to offload him because the risk is very high now I will say this. I thought your question was going to be. What are the odds that he has the opportunity to be the guy next year? I think that question is pretty much near-certain so he will have the opportunity and that in and of itself at running back like if you've got the chance for yes. Two Hundred Fifty Harry's that's why he's called David Opportunity exactly but that is a lot of carries to have not seen a consistent production. There's a lot wrong in that offense. You could be dealing with a quarterback back changed now or halfway through the season right you could be dealing with a very Unhealthy kind of mood around the offense halfway through the year. I do think he'll have the chance. I did see plays that I thought were special from time to time. His balance is ridiculous. He is is a good pass catcher. The change of quarterback does need to be factored in factored into your value. Look at Tannehill. Yeah yeah that's exactly where I was going to go. Look Derrick Henry. Now Henry was having fantasy success at the beginning of the year but he he hit the nitro button button as soon as defense has had to actually worry about the quarterback and Jason's nine here so I guess I'll be the one to say it. Defenses says are not worried about Mitch. Trubisky he's not good. You are not wrong. Sorry Balan Robinson is good yes yes and if for some reason there's so many things that could be unleashed from the bears if they weren't being held down by a five hundred pound pound weight. Well that's true Mike or however bags make I don't think Mitch trubisky weighs five hundred. Probably not as probably rounding up upwards overshot by overshadow by a couple of about three hundred pound. Yeah that's fine. I just wanted to illustrate how much is dragging bragging this team down. Anthony Miller Ellen Robinson in David Montgomery on this team this offense what is your. It's Cam Newton. What if all of a sudden you've you've got an opportunity for Cam Newton to run some of these You know option place involve we saw Cam and what he did for for McCaffrey when he had a weapon out of the Backfield so I think that there is a chance that we end up on the opportunity hype train again if some things change. Yeah we'll see how devoted Chicago is with Mr Bisky risky but if he's not effective. I don't think Matt Nagy is going to hesitate to utilize other players. We've seen this. And it was frustrating to have Montgomery Kamanga Marie off the field and leverage situations or two minute drills things like that that went to Tariq Cohen despite not having any efficiency last. You remember the Mike Davis Week one. Guess Yeah that that says a lot. I mean highlighted that rookies drafted in the the first three rounds. Those those type of guys that can produce you was a third round pick and he couldn't pass my Davis by week. One Hale all right a player. I'm more excited about Devon Single Terry with about him Quite a bit. He missed some time from weeks three through six. He never put put up one of those great fantasy week winning type of weeks but he was good fifty percent of the time which he loves seeing. y'All suggest highly really efficient player. I mean you're talking about somebody who on basically a hundred fewer carries competed yards wise with David. Montgomery AH GUMRI. I mean wasn't touchdown dependent at all only four touchdowns on the year but still put up a good fantasy game. Fifty percent of the time. I just think that David Devon Single Terry has a great opportunity to step up to level up for fantasy owners. He was a dynamic hammock. Rb Sixteen from week seven sixteen. Yeah in from week nine. On when they basically said Okay Devon singled through the guy who was averaging sixteen carries seventy five yards on the ground and two and a half receptions per game the problem where it was touchdowns he had a touchdown for every seventy five and a half carries. That's that's absolutely ridiculous. But the big plays they're twenty or more rushing yards on four point six percent of his runs. That's that's that's number one. In terms of percent for big runs. He had seven total runs of over twenty yards. That's only one fewer. The order SAQUON Barkley. He's in he's he and I've talked about. He doesn't make sense he's small he's he's smaller than a prototypical running back. His athletic profile is close to mine. Oh come on not not true I. I've just improved my my now profile. Athletic testing at the combine was. It felt like a death sentence by here. He is just being awesome. And the Devon Single Terry feels like an outlier at this point while this was in some way similar to you know Kareem Hunt going in the third round. Pick right right so didn't necessarily jump off the page at the combine combine but in pads instinct lateral movement the ability to find a whole with the offense. All those things matter single Terry Gary How would you let me put it this way. Okay he finished as the RB. Sixteen if you look at week. Seven through sixteen when he was basically back when he started. Carter got the starter position. Is he a top fifteen running back for you next man. I know we're sitting here in February but do you think he's in that top fifteen 'cause I think he is if he's right on the Amin on the edge there. Fifteen is is a really good over under. I think I would lean the under right now if you said he's a is he a top twenty eight. Yes it'll be a top twenty ronin bag those touchdowns downs that I was talking about it. It's going to be a problem. It in his career Josh Allen for all the improvements he made the buffalo bills are never. We're going to be a really high powered offense. Or putting up Super Gotti touchdown numbers is just not going to happen. He's GonNa Steal something then on top of that John Shown is is going to rip off six rushing touchdowns or so every single year cannibalizing from from Devon single. Terry's ceiling so top fifteen. I think that's that's tough. That's been 'cause he his percentage of Great Games next year as the full time starter. It's still not going to be A. Wow how number. But he'll be very good. He'll be rock solid running back to you think it'll be drafted in a position where you'll be interested. I think Devon single tear will be a third round pick probably other rookie. Running backs is anybody you want to bring up. I mean we saw. We didn't get to see much of Dr Neil Anderson. I'm sorry Darrell Henderson Damian. Hera we didn't get to see much of Jason Really liked that name Fella. Yes he may still. We'll have an opportunity. He might but the the numbers that were highlighted by good friend of the show. Jj Zac of players with his draft capital that don't produce in your one is not good. No what about Darwin Thompson. I think we have seen what we need to see from Darwin Thompson really. Yeah you're closing closing the book. I'm I'm closing the book on him having actual real value Tony Palmer Paul Pollard. A backup he stuck. Yeah he's awesome. Handcuff to have for if Zeke but my name is Alexander Madison. He's all same thing Alexander. Madison's incredibly talented running running back but Donald Cooks the way if you had to handicap any of the kind of irrelevant rookies from this past class. That could step into a role that makes sense next year. Your is it like a Daryl Henderson. Yeah it would honestly might be. It might be just as hill. That's a fair of of what's going on. He was a fourth round pick. I don't love that but justice ill super-duper athlete. And he's on a team. That actually will be a high powered offense. Even though we've talked about the regression that that will hit the ravens. Naturally there's still going to be one of the better offenses in the League and in front of Justice Hill. It's Mark Ingram. WHO's like fifty thousand years? Old Mardi gras exaggerated on like you did. Mitch Trubisky it again. I think you're close. I was off by like forty nine thousand. The the point like Mark Ingram is old for running back. I'm not going to bet against Mark Ingram because he keeps defying. The odds. Anger was inefficiency master though just like a volume play. Injustice sale worked his way into the rotation. He's not a big guy. So it's GonNa be a complement on a teen at scores a lot of points and Gus Edwards not currently under contract. I mean maybe Baltimore brings a back but the bus may be heading down the road somewhere else in my gus bus. I hope he gets a contract. I think he's played well enough that he should get paid doesn't just drive five out of the League. Yeah he's a good player. I bet you they bring him back. That's what that's what it had. There's some we don't know yet. He's just good enough to where they'd like him. I'm back but nobody else is gonNA come steal them. Give them a couple million dollars Baltimore. He's earned it all right. You brought up rookie wide receiver stats for no reason earlier. So this is the time to do it Twenty nineteen scene rookie. Wide receivers is a big year for rookie wide receivers You know the number of rookie wide receivers who finished in the top thirty six over the past five years ears. Let me give this to you in twenty fifteen just one then. There was in two thousand sixteen. There were three rookie wide receivers in the top thirty six than it was to last year or in two thousand eighteen was one this past year five of them. Aj Brown Terry maclaurin. deebo Samuel Decay met cafeteria Slayton all in the top thirty six and somewhat comically. I think you know you look at bad situation. And so we're not even talking about Hollywood Hollywood Brown and I think nobody doubts. Hollywood brown was relevant for fantasy. This past year it wasn't consistent fantasy was blotchy yeah it was splotch. Yeah Yeah you on your skin you might want to have a doctor check it out. Correct correct is not necessarily healthy for you right but you saw the potential. So I think we all consider Hollywood to to be in that group of rookie wide receivers this past year. That will continue to have relevance on into the future but we talked about he was in non passing offense. Aj Brown thought you. You were stuck with Mario to Terry maclaurin. WHO's your quarterback week to those? Were situated dairy Slayton. It was either. Eli Or rookie yet. You had relevance there is that let me ask you this when you go into twenty twenty and you're and we're looking at the rookie wide receiver class. which should be strong right and you look at situations? Does this your serve as a a lesson in terms of not you know underestimating estimating a player simply because of that quarterback or offense situation knowing that things do change. Aj Brown very relevant maclaurin. When he was healthy made it happen right or could this be a trap for us? Where we're we've done this ping pong thing and fantasy you go from? Oh my what rookie wide receiver to. Oh Oh no yeah. Yeah the the the twenty fourteen class kind of threw everything upside down it. We had more productive rookies at the wide receiver position but honestly if follow what we had talked about a and what we continue to talk about. Aj Brown win was he. Good the second half of the season you have. Deebo Samuel Win would see secondhand. was He good. The second half of the year even decay yet decay. Metcalf I mean so Terry maclaurin kind of the outlier and it really seems like teams missed on Terry maclaurin leading letting him drop all the way into the third round because of the dude is fast as lightning and if you hear him talk about playing the wide receiver position he is. He is a wicked smart guy. He really knows his craft and it's working on his craft. I think that was just a a miss by people unfortunately word. We don't know what it's going to happen with him because of the quarterback position Russian but to speak to he was consistently folding chair. Open like right. He would get he could park in the corner right now. Mind you dwayne. haskins would airmail that yet. Miss Him but Laura shooting every game absolutely but I mean even case keenum when he was in keenum missed him a a few times. He's he is a great a great player. Do you have a favorite of this of this town. Talent Perspective Y.. Somebody that you know you just mentioned it. The tear McLaren wants to be great right aspect. Ag Brown seems like have some stability that maybe the other guys won't have depot. He's involved in a lot of ways. Were passing volume. Doesn't equal you know. He's more of the Percy hardman. Ask talented player. You can take hand Austin and do something with them even if he's not getting a lot of targets. Do you have a favorite moving forward my favorites. Aj Brown just like other people. 'CAUSE 'cause you take his athletic profile and his stature we the he's a beast we. Yeah we kept calling on the tank for a reason because he can get open then. It's really hard to tackle him. But Terry Maclaurin has completely won me over as a from a talent perspective watching him play watching him just frequently get get open. He I think he is he should. He's probably my second favorite of this rookie class. Which I mean I'm I'm including Hollywood Brown Terry maclaurin? I think is really really awesome. Yeah Yeah I thought I. I was super impressed with them. I didn't come into the year. I think Jason gets the credit on that one. Jason Do you have anything to say J. I give him credit. Every time he's out Jason was all in on maclaurin after week one. Yeah I mean he was. Maybe that's what it was. It was he saw on the field. Thought he thought what he saw was not a mirage and He was right about you. Know really should have grabbed him in our dynasty league or even our early who's got him in there. I don't know you got him in there. I do. Who's got him in the dynasty? Hi Steve I remember in that League Alborn who is sitting here How how do you feel about the term McLaren's situation in that league? I don't WanNa talk about it. Yes fab burn. I totally forgot. Yeah he signed Terry maclaurin for something like forty forty five and it was very entertaining for us because at that point suddenly George kill was a threat to miss that next week so so he had to ensure George kibble he had no one else to drop so he had to make the very difficult situation or a decision to drop McLaren right right after repaid. Forty fab forum on the same week. You paid it right. Oh Yeah yes bottom for a dollar the next day and but I credit you because you could have gone like sunk cost fallacy there and just like I spent my Fab so I'm stuck with him and then yeah so anyway it was entertaining for us. Aj Brown you talked about. And we've talked about him in the truth episode incredible season. Everything is really heavily dependent in terms of projecting Brown on. I'm having the same quarterback in place in Tennessee. I think we trust variable if they bring Henry back those two components there look if if if it became Tom Brady or Philip rivers. For some reason. It wasn't Tannahill but Henry who were there. I would still have enough confidence in Brown to put him in in that top. Twenty range I man. You'll be really disappointing if Tom Brady winther for. Aj Brown you think so. Well it just just what the offense represents and Tom Brady's deep ball is not what it once was. No no no. And that's that's what we need Ryan. Tannehill was was dominant because he was so efficient on his deep passing of his wide receiver. Certainly helped with that. But that'd be disappointing but then we talked about. Maybe that's just catching lightning in a right. What do I say barrel? Yes I catch my lightning in a barrel right. Oh it's a lot of lightning. Yeah there's a hundred at all bottle I mean that's such. It's a small amount of lightning if you're going through all thank you. Mike all the trouble to catch electricity. Let me just say this. It's a lot of trouble it's not you ever done it from the outside. It seems easy but I'm GonNa tell you barrel or bottle. It's difficult Franklin tried with a key and I didn't know it was ridiculous you know I don't even understand that story very limited. He actually do. I actually do any of that. I have allies now. Of course I have no idea the key in the story. What is the purpose of the key? Does he holding the key. The key is is tied up on the kite. The kind is going up. It's to attract the lightning so he because he's trying to prove something about electricity. Why is it? Why is it attached to the kite so it can go up into the air? Why does that he makes something go up into the air? No the kites the key into the air that make accents. I thought you were saying the key gives it some lift. Well the the key to getting the key in the air is the kite. Kite is the key for the key and this is this happened yeah. I needed something to conduct electricity up there. Yeah can't fly but is it. Is it actually true story or is this like George. Washington cut down the shack snow. Are you telling me George Washington and did not down Cherry Tree. I'm telling you that he probably did not cut down a cherry tree. Why would you cut down a cherry tree? They'll more cherries aries data. That doesn't make sense. You're right Sherri's delicious. Yeah Now you're not eating cherries for PYRITES. We're going to get some more of this presidential history fact doc checking going on before time of year before we move out of wide receivers. We're not moving out Mike. Okay I was going on. What are your thoughts on the Keel Hairy? I don't know what really really high hopes. The only first round wide receiver taken in this year's draft went to the Patriots. It was a perfect landing. Spot missed ten weeks because of the injury he was the number one. Pick for some rookie draft. Yes because does he mean. Caused production was their athletic profile. is their landing spot as their draft capital is. They're very difficult to draw conclusions on twelve catches in the regular regular season. But that's the problem. He came in and played seven games to end the season and did basically nothing. He had the one awesome touchdown catch but that was really all he did. He was targeted a little bit in the playoffs. He certainly seems like the most talented talented option that they have outside of Julian Edelman. Who is getting older fifty thousand years old? He's he's infinite often it to not not injury wise but Akilah Harry. I think you have to if you want to move forward with the idea that you're gonNA find value there. It's all based on the fact. He's a first round draft pick he's a physical freak and His involvement involvement in the offense has to move up. I mean he's going to have to prove himself in training to me. He's a player. That is a the off season. Hype the story lines out of Camp Ramp. That's going to matter okay. So this guy running ahead of he's on your watch Koby Meyers or not right. Because the this team is not going to be blindly loyal to draft capital of Jacoby Myers. Is the player making the step forward in the off season and Nanako Harry so very hesitant you know. What are you going to do in a dynasty league other then hold him? You've got no choice. You have to hold. Yeah Nicole Hardman yes. McColl Hartman was like Twenty Six receptions options in sixteen games electric with the ball in his hands not integral to the passing game what is the true value of McColl Hartman. Because is he was. He was fully attached to the off-season stories of Kyri Hill. Where Four A.? Good stretch of time. It looked like tyreek hill was going to be banished from the land for his for his off Caesar off the field behavior they spent a second round pick on McColl Hartman almost seemingly. You're saying Kansas City saying yeah we we know. We're not gonNA have tyreek here. So we got to compensate we gotta get a wide receiver. With with speed McCall Hartman's shoots up the rookie rate rankings. Because he went to the perfect spot but now tyreek is back all the talk of the team moving on from Sammy Watkins. And that's currently at a place where they're saying they want him to be back. They love to find a way. They're gonNA need a restructure from Sami and but I'll probably do it. Yeah he he will he. He'll probably probably do it. And then I believe demarcus Robinson. His contract is up so does McColl hardman become relevant. 'cause now he's the third third wide receiver and the fourth option. Maybe even the fifth option in the passing game. I think there's I think that there's plenty of reasons to look at Hardman as a growing growing fantasy asset. I think things that you talked about with wide receivers there and the opportunity. The fact Hardman can be used the way Deebo Samuel used in in India and things like that the fact that Andy Reid is there to maximize the value of a player with that kind of speed putting up five hundred and thirty eight receiving ars on twenty six catches ridiculous. Not Everybody can do that right. And more playing time more opportunity I mean let let me put it this way. Fifty thousand in eight. That's not outlandish. Michael Hartmann that's fair and you know that's not on a hot. He's not going to be a PR machine by any stretch of the imagination. He's going to be a crap. One of my players. Heard I have McCall Hartman sitting there. Did I pick the all right week if I did. Then I'm going to be to kind of player so I'm somewhat optimistic. Because he's not he's he's in a best case scenario one touch man he just one touch my I know what some other players Do you like I. Don't they Johnson moving. I loved Yanti. Johnson he was very impressive. Fifty Nine Receptions Fif fifty nine six hundred eighty yards and five touchdown on ninety two targets and those ninety two targets. Were Ninety two of the worst targets you have seen in the history of the. NFL is quarterback situation with Rudolph and duck. Hodges was something that see look away insurmountable mean Juju could not overcome what was happening with the with that quarterback toback situation. He was the third round pick. The coaching staff seemed to grow in their confidence running him opportunities and seeing what he can do and and so he was extremely impressive to me I he is definitely on my my watch list for For a second round wide receiver. Take a big jump that is seemingly out of nowhere. It will not be out of nowhere for for hardcore fantasy football players but the the the the common the the the real average player in fantasy who is not listening to a podcast right now when deontay Johnson Johnson has a breakout year. Next year. They're going to say who who's I've never heard of this guy. I would not be shocked if he ends up. In the discussion as a sleeper in in our ultimate draft one hundred percent. You can put them in there. Yeah I mean Juju on the outside regardless of what you believe about Jews upside. We've seen the value of of being a player that can get loose in the middle of the field. Deontay Johnson had some big plays. He's dynamic with the ball in his hands. He had four games as a top twelve wide receiver. Last year. I think on that team that Deontay Johnson is a reason why you can believe in Juju as a fantasy asset yet again. I mean Big Ben. Coming back is is the crux of the argument. But I think that Deonte is good enough that now it's not Juju versus the world but next year you're talking on what Juju has a third second or third round pick and deontay Johnson as a eleventh to twelfth round pick we'll see where shakes Out But if that's the case then I would take the hunter Renfro WanNa bring them up to because he ended the year so strongly and this is another one of those hypothetical Brady teams. Hunter RENFRO FRO Tom. Brady that can happen it. It could and if Tom Brady goes there than hunter renfro becomes a lot more interesting concern not now super entra forty nine for six five and four thirteen game. seventy-one targets ended the year week. Sixteen and Seventeen is the sixth wide receiver. Each week dealt with some injuries found his footing later insurance on the side. A really really impressive season. He's in for a player drafted in the fifth round. Yeah to do come through with that. But it's he was a superstar in college though yes he just was not the athletic profile. That met the standards for first short four. Three I in A. That's this kind of the argument against it. He's he'll be Kobe Veasley like a really good wide receiver. You know him as well documented my love for Cole Beasley but as a fantasy asset. It's just probably not gonNA be there unless he turns into some kind of PPI machine. Tom Brady comes in and he wants to treat hunter like his new welker or element. Yeah we've been down this road with many yes In upside type of Jamison crowder type of player right before. You know. We didn't talk about it. There's a lot of rookie wide receivers ones. We didn't get to see a lot of Paris. Campbell Andy Isabella. We didn't see Jalen Hurd. That is a player that will probably have a very sneaky deeply value last year or less year. Jalen hurt. Yeah I mean he's a third round draft pick he does. He's he's like Deebo not in what he does for the offense but in the fact that he does multiple things. Well he's a red zone weapon. He's big he's a tight end type of guy and I just is trust. Kyle Shanahan to utilize those type of players in unique ways and Emmanuel Sanders. Is he back Jalen. Hurd could have an opportunity next year. redraft redraft. Leagues are probably off the radar. Four but Kyle Shanahan. He's he's playing chess here where everyone's trying to find their pass catching running backs he's like. No I'm gonNA find those wide receivers that play running back. You See George Kit. All the sound bite on the sideline in the Super Bowl. I did not where he said. I I clearly the did you see this brooks nine miss this. He was miked up or something and he's on the sideline and the game must have been out. He was not miked up. He's just he's George kittles speaks. It's picked up by the cameras. He's got an amplifier Bilton. Yes ma'am lungs. It's man lied on. No I I don't know I just feel like I needed to say more than okay. He's got man lungs but he's on the sideline the game is over and he's over there and he's going he's like talking to himself he goes. I'm going to be back. I'm going to be back. I'm going to be back with a mother blanking vengeance. That's what he said on the sidelines and then any cut down a couple of trees. I'll say that the room over his shoulder that's as well because if George Kid had started to cry the whole stadium the everyone in there would have drowned. It was flooded the whole thing. Yeah he's very dangerous person he's they. That team has made of of some manly men. I mean depot. You come on but other other other guys that kind of catch your attention. We never saw any Hakeem Butler. I think we saw enough of our SEGUE whiteside at least in year one to say. I'm not sure if he's going to have a very integral role. You couldn't have had a better situation for him to have opportunity. But that's a second round pick that I know Philadelphia. Dolphin fans were disappointed in his performance. Is there anybody else that you want to mention any Preston Williams undrafted. Yeah good have an opportunity. Next year again. It could and it's reports sports or Miami. They're going to keep them around of of the list of guys that that we saw nothing from my. My hopes are not high all I. Let's rank these rookie tight. Ends Noah Fan. Last year ended up at tight end sixteen inconsistent. He was a rookie great profile high draft capital. TJ Jayhawk Anderson Week one people picked him up and then he punched you in the face for sixteen th straight weeks. Dasa knocks flashed at times. James did so in the playoffs as well third round pick I think there's upside with Dawson knocks. You've mentioned Jay Stern Burglary Sternberg Gary Stern Seen Burgeon is that his says mom. Ge's Amit and J Sturm Burger for. He's he will be taking over. are in Green Bay for Jimmy Graham. I can't imagine there's a world where Jimmy is back. Stern Burger third round pick was a production monster. Taking voltage has not anything in Green Bay for a long time at tight end. I totally understand that but he should be on your radar. Yes I'm saying. They spent a third round pick on him and as of right now that the poll narrative of Green Bay has been he can rodgers can throw the ball to Davante Adams reliably knows knows it dynasty this or that no offense TJ Hodkinson. I like fant I like. I think he's going to have an opportunity. I like San here as well. What's wild is since two thousand eleven? What he did last year? That's the sixth most points for fantasy tight end. There's your rookie right. Yes eight yeah. That's that's why we always talk about look. Rookie tight ends manage. Just it does not happen. What about not J. Hopkinson Mike? It was going to happen for concern. Yeah that was called the Arizona cardinals which turned out to be a season-long storyline of any. He's tight end against the cardinals was going to have a career date hundred. So it's hard for rookie if that's if no offense consistency rank of thirty four forty for five sixty two and three is the sixth most PR points for a rookie. Says Twenty Eleven. There you go yes so into highlight that even more of rookie tight end so Evan. Ingram has the best rookie tight end season since two thousand eleven one hundred seventy three PR points. That would have been tight end seven this year. That was the best case scenario and Evan Ingram scored thirty more points than the guy who's in second. which is Tim Right? Like I talked about in Tim. Reid your father yes. It was really weird but tim right with his rookie year. He would have been the tight end eleven so just like a guy you don't really want to have some rookie tight ends that they just don't produce. I like no offense from a yards after the catch you know take the ball go George Kitto go mark Andrews Big playability. The athletic profile next year ear has me interested yes. I'm very direct. And look at their depth chart. Yeah I mean who. WHO's the number two option? WHO's the number two for the Denver Broncos just from a pass catching activists coralline sutton in in its Noah Reyna so that's a huge Emmanuel Sanders? Anders is a free agent. Let's get them in all getting back. No I mean there's a great opportunity for him to be a player that threatens down the field and when you can do that you just give yourself herself that week winning upside at the tide imposition and fans somebody that you're not going to have to invest heavy draft capital into next year. Yep there's just no way that's going to be the case you're only draft in every every teams draft in one tight end. Where's he going? Oh Fan often undrafted you like last pick. Because he's got a nice matchup in week one type of situation you're anybody else. You WanNA touch on a tight end. Are we good at least highlight cadence Smith for for the New York giants because he he came in and performed very admirably at the end of the year. You're talking four of the the final six games. He was at least optimal nice. Run and I didn't realize is that good but tight end five tied in ten busted for a couple of days but then tied in five and tied in three why I want to highlight him more. So is Evan Ingram right. This is what Daniel Jones did with a sixth round rookie tight end locating Smith's performance Josie Z.. More that Evan Ingram's potential still there. Yes yeah that's what it says to me I wanNA thank our studio sponsor pristine auction. You know about them pristine auction dot com use the code code ballers. They'll give you a ten dollar credit yesterday. Josh Jacobs signed Jersey went went for eighty seven dollars and seventy five cents hundreds of daily actions. Right now they have a special tenth anniversary thing with like twelve hundred sports memorabilia. 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GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 865: Patriots Win the First Wave of Free Agency

GSMC Sports Podcast

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GSMC Sports Podcast Episode 865: Patriots Win the First Wave of Free Agency

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Facebook and instagram is where you can primarily follow us and we would love if you could do so i hope wherever you are and however you may be listening you and your family are happy and healthy during these extremely trying times in the world today. We have a fantastic show for you all today coming up at the end of today's episode. I wanna break down to 'em. ea trades too big time contenders made to bolster up their three point shooting and their roster overall the milwaukee bucks traded for houston rockets forward or former houston rockets. Pj tucker well. The miami heat actually traded to oklahoma city some drafts rights and meyers leonard for trevor aretha. Who was way with. The team was another three indian veterans. We'll get into those two teams. And how that bolster their championship odds at the end of the episode Also later on in the show. I want to get to you. Curtis samuel signing with the washington football team. Where kenny golladay might end up going. And what are the miami dolphins doing with their money. Considering they have surprisingly not really signed any big name free agent very unmanning dolphin like will break that down later on in the show. And i want to tell you why the arizona cardinals are a major major super bowl contender next year. They're going all in on cuyler murray's chief contract that's also coming up later on in the show but of course we're going to start off with who i believe one at least day wanted free agency. Now you gotta keep in mind. There's a lot of days left. A lot of towns still out there and there was wide receiver department in particular candidate. While looks like he might go to. The giants on a visit is still unsigned. Juju smith schuster. T y hilton will fuller lot guys still out there. Chris carson running back still out there. There's a lot of guys who are high profile free agents that are still out there not to mention guys available via trade so the off seasons really just starting and the first wave of free agency hasn't even really ended yet until some of those receivers get signed. The only major wants to get signed. So far curtis samuel nelson agholor right now. I still waiting for those top. Dogs like juju. Smith schuster And kenny golladay to sign. But i think the new england patriots. I think we can all agree one and was definitely the most surprising. Start to free agency and i think they one day one a free agency. They said a flurry of move spending money on guys like devan. God show a d. Tackle bringing back some of their own players but mainly they signed to big time. Tight ends hunter henry and of offensive weapons slash titan. Jonnu smith now. I want to explain why i believe that. These were great moves. The new england patriots. But i don't necessarily see them as a contender. You see. i'll start. I'll start off with the moves. I before i get into how i think new england will be next season again. Free agency is not over. New england still has money they can spend more money if they want to. A lot of teams like the jaguars. The dolphins went into free agency with a decent amount of money and having spent all of that yet so again. Many many many many many moves to be made and free agency but the new england patriots came out immediately. Signed to big name. Tight ends again. They had the worst tight in group of you know. They're pretty much the entire. Nfl last year lowest and touchdowns receptions and yards. They go out there and they spent on two major major tight ends now. I'll be honest with you. Hunter henry was a name that was always going to be linked to the patriots. Bill ballot check is a family friend of his and it was almost not expected of but there was some rumors that he was going to go sign their. The addition of jonnu smith is the one that really surprised me. So johnny schmidt. If you know as a tight end for the tennessee titans he's really really athletic. A guy who's coming into the draft. That i compare the his brethren jordan. If you remember my last episode or maybe was two episodes ago. I told you i think reverend jordan is a taller version of deebo samuel and to be honest with you. That is where i see johnny smith. He's a tolerable samuel. He's obviously older but again he's more than just a tight end. He's more athletic. Hunter henry traditional tight end size and speed wise mismatch. He's bill more like rock. John smith is skinnier. He's faster you can come out of the backfield you can do. Even some screen passes with him. He is excellent and run after the catch which is something that new england really really struggled. Last season didn't have a lot of playmakers on the outside. They had those two tight ends. Aml snag laura. Who's appear speed. Guy was pretty bad in philly. Obviously notorious for all the drops. He had went to a stacked raiders. Offense last year showed out was considered one of the better d. Through the year last year. I think it was a little bit of an overpay for nelson agholor for new england considering he got more than curtis samuel but new england had absolutely no over the top threat at all last year. Now they bring in nelson agholor. Who i think right now would be the best wide receiver on that team. Not named julian edelman. I'm kind of uncertain what his health is at right now but again you bring in those two tight ends hunter henry who's obviously athletic enough to be starting tight. End receiving jonnu smith. Who's an uber. Athletic tight end mouse. Nakamura appears speed guy. Some death and defensive side the only issue with the new england patriots offense right now is it. Looks like they're losing their best to offense lineman so joe tunas already signed with the kansas city chiefs who i will also talk about later on in this episode and david andrews. It's looking like is not going to be coming back to. The patriots has been teams. Like miami potentially interested in him Big time center from new england. Who's been there forever. I believe he's a captain. Those two losses stink for sure but the number one difficulty. That new england had last year was moving the ball and they needed to get their weapons and it's time bill. Belichick trusts himself with the drafting of offensive linemen and not the drafting of skill positions. We know that bill belichick's kryptonite has appeared to be drafting skill positions in the draft. They took to two tight ends last year in the draft yossi and the kid from university of cincinnati. Both of them turned out to be not such great players and they automatically gave up on them and signed to big time for agents asiatic. He's really never going to see the field again. The kill harry was drafted in the first round of that same draft. They're looking to move on from him. San francisco's been in team that they talked to about that so again. That's his kryptonite. If there's one thing that bill belichick coach defense and always draft offensive lineman well. There's one thing he can't. It's really draft skill position. So he's decided to spend that money on those still positions. I think new england might have gone from the worst day group in the world to the best we know josh mcdaniels loves loves loves and the patriots as well love writing running two tight end sets. They did it with groucho and hernandez years ago. I just have one issue. The new england patriots. And that's their quarterback. I think they've absolutely nailed this offseason two so far. They kept to their word when they said they were going to be aggressive again. There was the early reports that knowing was going to be aggressive for receiver. Many golladay meal. I never really fully bought. It's not the patriot way to spend all this money. It's always you know you you budget get get rid of guys a year too late and things like that but they actually go out there and they spent a ton of money skill positions. I was shocked when i saw the hunter henry signing after they signed jonnu smith. I didn't think they would get both of those guys but again absolutely huge upgrade for whoever the quarterback is going to be. They're going forward and it looks like it's gonna be cam newton next year and that is my biggest problem with the new england patriots. You see because having all of these crazy am new offensive. Weapons like s- and hunter henry and you already know that they're going to be in the too tight end system because new england has always really dominated with two tight end sets them whenever they had the town at that position. They've been absolute studs. But my issue is the guy getting the ball cam. Newton had one of the worst passing seasons since the nineteen thirties last year. He was the first quarterback since the nineteen thirties to start fifteen plus games for an. Nfl team had not throw double digit touchdowns on the season. He only through a and i understand that at this stage of his career. He was nice for him to run for those ten touchdowns like he did a year ago. But again when you're a better runner than a passer and that's just what cam. Newton is at this point a better runner than a passer. You're not gonna be able to win a lot of football games of new england. Who clearly now wants to air out the ball last year. They were all about smashing the mouth. Run the ball at the middle and all that stuff in bandon that this offseason. David andrews is going to be gone joe. Tony is already gone. And now you've run speed guys like nelson galore and jonnu smith and then you also at hunter henry. The tight end position the patriots. Wanna throw the ball not run the ball cam newton spotty and where he's at his career. He struggles to throw the ball again. If this team jimmy garoppolo right now i would tell you that they could win the division. I really do believe that. I love the offensive moves that they've made again. I think jonnu smith again. If here's the thing i'm no. I'm no fantasy expert. But if hunter henry wasn't on the new england patriots. I would tell you jones for as the third best fantasy tied in the league. I think jonnu smith is going to make a leap next year into the top ten tight in the nfl range. If he's not there already again. Uber athletic can get the jump. Ball can can really create space. The thing tight ends that you love this year. Tight ends we can create space. Rob gronkowski wasn't necessarily the greatest of creating space. We caught every job baucus. He was a complete physical freak. Guys like travis kelsey calcium john smith. I'm not putting them on the same level obviously but again those speed not necessarily physical tightness more speed guys can really become your security. Blanket can release really always get open. And that's what cam. Newton will me always get open. But can he get him the ball. That's the question. Now here's what i believe. The patriots are doing personally. I think cam. Newton was brought bag as an insurance policy to compete with another quarterback. I have a hard time believing that the new england patriots would see what they saw on cam newton last year and not at least give camp competition not look somewhere else a name. That comes to mind for me because again. I don't think they're picking a quarterback in the first round. I know a lot of people have been taking mac jones of fifteen. I think the patriots should still go. Receiver they still don't have a true number one receiver yet. Now's a nice edition. Nobody considers him to be a number one receiver in this league. Rashad bateman guy looking for the new england patriots and fifteen love to see their. Let's say they take rishaad payment of fifteen. Why believe could be a special receiver in this league and could absolutely develop into a top guy in the nfl. But will they really. You know we're not bringing competition for cam. Look at a guy. Like kelly amonte winner of the senior bowl. Mvp texas am quarterback len fifth in the country has all the traits. Has the i q little bit of a project can move a little bit nice arm. Nice release nice. Form very technically sound and love to see the patriots. Go after him in the second round and have him compete with cam newton. Maybe we can test the waters for a little bit. The first weeks of the year and then give it to callum on now the patriots. A guy like kellerman with that coaching with that system and now with those weapons assuming they drafted receivers and then like that at fifteen then. New england is really putting a team together. That can compete very very soon now. We see teams after going off. Incredible runs dynasties. Go through a complete rebuild and our bad for years and years to come. The miami dolphins are still not over dan marino chicago. Bears are still not good since since. I did collect. Obviously there's a lot of teams new york jets haven't done anything since joe nemeth left right teams have fall apart. After their top success new england might not be one of those teams new england and bill belichick might be one of those one of those teams like golden state takes a year off and then boom the right back in the playoff race. That's where i think. New england is positioning themselves to go right now except for the fact that they don't have an adequate quarterback and i'm not sure met they do. I can't a lot of people which is which is nuts to me have seemed to forgotten again. What cam. Newton did last year since since these signings. It's just because you get weapons. Doesn't necessarily mean your quarterbacks elevate to that level it's a two way street while yes. The patriots do need to surround cam noon with better weapons and no. The wide receiving corps was not great at all last year. Cam newton also has to play better when those receivers work getting opened last year he was hitting guys in the fee consistently again cam with multiple surgeries on that foot. Multiple surgeries on. His throwing shoulder has an weird now awkward kind of motion. We're looks like he's throwing every ounce of his body to whip a ball fifteen arts nelson angler isn't brought into england. The kids fifteen yard pass. He's brought into new england. The catch thirty byard plus passes the deep threats the shrieks post the flag routes all that stuff. That's an if cam newton can give you that you know. How many people's cam. Newton complete last year maybe ten. Maybe if if we're being lucky and again no deep off touchdowns me only through the year so again. There's no conference at least for me. In my standpoint of why i should believe cam newton to get that ball in elsag lor or jonnu smith thirteen to fifteen yards downfield and hit him with space and hit him in stride because again guys like john smith nelson agholor. You want to hit them in stride because they can do so much the catch cam. Newton hasn't been accurate and a couple of years. Hasn't really throw with great anticipation the last couple of years again. It looks like a guy who unfortunately because of how bad the carolina panthers were for a couple of years took an absolute beating for that team and that organization. Weekend and week out and now it's taking tolls on him when he's just only thirty years old. This is a reason. Why shawn watson potentially wants to get out of houston. He doesn't want the same thing to happen. He doesn't wanna take brutal brutal. Hits for a bad team so that when he turns thirty his body's breaking down like we see what's happening to cam newton again. I highly doubt that there's not going to be competition. Brought in for cam. Keep an eye on like kalamata. The second round high cerebral guy. Coming from jimbo fisher system in texas ena brought them to fit in the country. Some argued that this should have made the college football playoff over dame again high q. Guy has all the tools i think. He's a little project maybe a year away. I could've seen him staying in school and other year but at the patriots get his hands on him in the second round. I think it'd be a really really nice edition for them and then a guy can push down the field like mon again. Maybe not start right out of the way right out of the gate but give him some time to develop a mannequin. See the patriots contending sooner rather than later but until they get that quarterback position figured out not to mention the offensive line issues now again no center on the roster they replaced david andrews with ted karras. Who didn't have a great season miami last year again it's unclear who's gonna throw in a guard and replacement tuni so again. The offensive line is deteriorating while the weapons went up. I don't know if cam newton's get the ball to those receivers with even less time than he had last year. What do you think your take on the cam. Newton situation again. I think we can all agree that we liked those patriot moves. You could argue that. They overpaid or that. It was a little too much money in the johnny smith contract. A lot of people were saying it was too much money on the annell snag. Laura contract but when you have this money in the nfl you gotta spend money to make money. Essentially you're gonna have to overpay to convince a team. You know a guy to come to a team. That isn't necessarily great. That has weird quarterback situation. That isn't coming off the greatest year that maybe just let the greatest quarterback of all time. Walk out there front door so again. New england was gonna have to obey to convince guys to come into cold new england. no funds zone. Put in the work without tom brady. They're going to have to overpay a little bit and that's what they did again. I give a lot of their signings. I think jonathan signing a plus hunter henry a+ plus thank god chose definitely a serviceable defensive. Tackle i think nelson galore. I think they overpaid a little bit. But he definitely serves a need that they absolutely need which is a deep ball threat. But again. I don't know if i trust cam newton to get this team to eleven wins right now. It feels like an eight eight nine hundred seventeen to me. But if they had a guy. Like jimmy g. f. to john watson get straight into san francisco or somebody like that men. This team could really take off sooner rather than later. I that's going to do it for this segment on the other side of this short break i want to get into the arizona cardinals who have made three major moves for high profile veterans. This offseason weather going all in on kyla. Mary why we'll give all that good stuff right after this short break. Are you looking for the very best in college football podcast. Then check out the gsm see football. Podcast get the latest football news. Both on and off the field from the nfl draft to treats to the rumor mill to the nfl combines. They got you covered. That's gmc podcasts. Dot com slash football dash. Podcast get updates. i'm college rivalries indian sites and much much more. It's football talk the way you want it. This show sleeps and breathes football. Don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter visits. Yes mc podcasts dot com for more info all right and we are back here. Gmc sports podcast brought to you by the gmc podcast network again. I am your host alex mass. For thank you so much for tuning into today's episode continuing to listen to the show. If you're a returning listener we really do appreciate you. I just finished giving you feel about the new england patriots really aggressive and i think awesome. Start for them of free agency again. I don't dispute any of the news. They've made i think they've all been great. Free agency moves bill. Belichick is maneuvering the cap. Really really well making sure bringing in positions of need specifically on offense tight end and speed receiver again. I just don't have a lot of faith in their quarterback cam newton to get those incredible and amazing weapons. The ball okay. I want to shift focus here now to the arizona cardinals. Why believe worthy quiet. Second second-place finishers of free agency. And it was obviously a bunch of moves that nobody really expected for them. And they really are going all in on kind of murray so the arizona cardinals. Obviously already signed. Jj watt when he was released from the houston texans but they have made two more moves for some high profile veterans one of them being them signing aj green to lead a one year contract and they also traded for raiders center. Rodney hudson who might be just the best center in football if you wanna look at it from a standpoint. He's an easily if i bowed hall of famer. He's an absolute mahler and these were a lot of incredible moves for the cardinals. I mean you can look at. Jj one major agreements say they were not the players. They were again i think. Jj is closer to the player. He wants was an asia. Green is green. The last two years has been banged up hurt and he really didn't look that great last year when he even was healthy but again you bring him into a pass. Happy offense really does a lot of spread in four wide and he's gonna get you know. Aj matched up against your third fourth best corner. Because you're number one corner to go guard. You already know who deondraye hopkins. Your second best corner probably astonished. Go guard christian kurt because of his speed third guy in the slot i think. Aj green can do a lot of work out of the slot for the cardinals almost as tall slack guy. And i think it'd chris cliff kingsbury is gonna have a lot of fun with him and they bring in a guy like rodney hudson. Who is a major major major center in this league and you could argue is the best. I put him up there with corey. Lindsey who obviously just became the highest paid center in the league. He's now with the chargers. David andrews of the new england patriots. It's going to get probably a decent amount of money from a team. Like the miami dolphins or something like that. Rodney hudson is a major major player for this offense now in arizona. If they can get the running back situation figured out maybe draft. Hey maybe a free agency because again running backs are coming by the really really cheap dollar price right now again. The cova cap. Your has been brutal to these guys. A lot of veterans have been getting cut. We saw guys like you know kind of annoyed cut. And some of these other surprise veterans rodney. Hudson was actually supposed to get cut but after the sort of the outrage team started to call trying to trade for him before he could get cut in arizona obviously did that but same thing for the wide receiver and running back market. The market is so low for these guys. The price tag is so low. You get guys like curtis samuel. Who breaking news of you really recording. I can see my phone right now. He just signed with the washington football team. I'll get to that later on in the show when it looks for that offense but again only at eleven million dollars a year. That's not a huge chunk of change for guys at school positions. Who are needed. And you'd have to go back and look at the draft because of that obviously how deep the running back classes this year the receiver class but for arizona to go out there and get a guy like rodney hudson anchor him down as a center if they can add a running back. This offense can really take off. We know that keiler. I think is a great quarterback in this league. You could argue is already pushing top ten. We know deondraye legit. We christian kirksey fast. They need a tight end and they needed a slot receiver. Because again larry fitzgerald. It's sort of unclear what his future stands. I think he obviously has a contract offer from the arizona cardinals to come back but it wouldn't surprise me. A team like the tampa. Bay buccaneers. Want to go after him again. Kansas cheese larry might want that one final ring before he retires at. Hey he might do it with a different team if that were the case or not. Even if larry does come back i think. Aj reads a great fit with arizona and again out of all the teams he could have gone to. I think this is the place where. Aj green could really maximize his talent and get his career back on track and show these still productive player in the league. We've seen guys like john. Bell go ring chased. Kansas city not have a major role on air sort of forgotten in today's nfl. There's been no rumors about him. Millions bills a free agent. Obviously right now but aj green going to arizona in the slot could be a lot of nice moves could be sort of security blanket for kevin murray. Nothing marine needs a security blanket because obviously deondraye hopkins. Is there just as another guy to go to in the sly again. I like again each and every week. If you're telling me that you're slot horn has to go against aj green. I really do believe that. That's a good match for the arizona. Probably what fourteen out of the seventeen weeks next year. Thirteen hundred seventeen weeks. And that's what you pay green for. It was worth the money and hudson's get a boost your run game hugely cuyler. Murray that offense online. It's been brutal for years. Now bringing hudson to maybe coach of some of the young guys you're drafting or maybe even signing some more people. It's going to be huge for calorie again. If the pocket does break down does a great job of extending to play with his legs so on and so forth but again he can only do that so many times already got injured. Last year wasn't a major energy but it was definitely something that was lingering him for a couple of weeks and habit at his ability to run. You don't murray. Who's not the biggest guy in the world. Obviously taking massive massive shots from guys like aaron donald who play in your division rodney. Hudson could take care of the problem for you. He's just a big big man who pushes people around for a living in again. First ballot hall of famer. Complete dominance center has been for the better part of the last eight to ten years surprise. Surprise move by the raiders to move off of him again. He's been he's been the best player on the raiders. You could save for the ten to fifteen years at this point at fifteen but about ten years for him to go to. Arizona is huge for them now. If you take that in consideration the degree mood the hudson move and of course the. Jj watt move from a few weeks ago. There was a cardinals going all in. They thought they were close last year to making the playoffs. They consider that year two of their rebuild and now they're here year three ready to content. That's how it usually works in the nfl. Your one of your ability takes you lose. You're gonna get the high draft pick year to you. Got the rookie quarterback. You see what he can do year three. You get all those weapons for the guy and everything like that now. They're entering year three of that process. Kyle murray while some other teams entering your quarterbacks are year one if the jets or something like that they believe it's time to start contending. It's time to start making the playoffs. I think they probably felt disrespected. That the bears made it over them again. They probably bill really viewed themselves. I think we all did as the more fun team. The better team the more exciting team than the chicago bears hogan also talk about later on this show but for the cardinals to go. All in on kahlil murray. They rely something. And like i talked about in my last episode. There is many ways to one of the national football league but the biggest way and wildly the most consistent way is get your quarterback on the cheap specifically when he's young talented sending before you pay him the big contract go on as weapons and get to super bowl. A lot of teams have gotten their the rams dot. There were jared goff so on and so forth by doing that method and then this is what the cardinals do with kyla murray. They realize that they have a potential superstar quarterback on the cheap on a rookie deal for four or five million dollars a year. They want to capitalize on that. So they're throwing the bag at aj green they're bringing guys like jj watt. They're making aggressive traits like giving up a third round. Pick for thirty one year old center. Rodney husband who's hudson. Who's going to be in the hall of fame. They're going all in on caliber because they believe he could them to a super bowl this year. Not in the future. They're done with the kylie developing going to improve as he gets older. And things like that but this is no longer a development standpoint murray's developed. He's ready to become a superstar now. It's about surrounding him but the players they need getting better offensive line which they've done. I'd like to see them at a running back again. I don't know how much money they have left. It's unclear again with all of these restructures and loopholes to the cap. It's really impossible to quite honestly to know. Exactly what number. How each and every team has In the space department but if they could go look at a guy like a chris carson on the cheap even if it's just a one year deal or something like that even hey lady on bell something like that. That would be absolutely huge. Get them a bell cow back. Pell pair him with chris carson or chris carson him would chase edmonds then. I never really nice thunder and lightning sort of partnership in the backfield. A main chris carson running behind rodney hudson. I mean you're talking about flattening after flatter after truck after truck and it's going to be a lot a lot of fun to watch again. That's just a rumor pure speculation. I'd love to see it happen. But the cardinals are clearly going. All in on caroline. Murray as they should. I think murray the potential to an mvp in this league. I think he is a unique and special town that i'm not sure the nfl has seen again. We saw a small quarterback drew brees succeed. I think the camera could be this. Generation's drew brees. He's small he's undersized it doesn't make sense he's not supposed to be able to make it in this league giving the size and weight yet he could dominate yet. He might win an mvp hell. He might even win a super bowl. Mvp the cardinals believe in him. Just like i believe in a lot of people in a lot of karnal fans believe in. That's why they're going so aggressive after these agent veterans guys like hudson guys like. Aj agree guys like jj watt. Patrick peterson had to get let go. Because that which is a shame and again they really don't play defense in arizona. But hey when you have that offense with calum murray with the electricity that it's going to bring if they could add a running back and maybe even a tight end. I would absolutely love to see it for arizona going forward. I think it's going to be a hell of a lot fun on a watch and at the end of the day i the cardinals have a really really really good chance at having a deep playoff run in the nfc their quarterback and stack up with anybody when he looks at his best. I'm encounter marine. Looks like a top quarterback in the league. When he's you watch those seattle games last year with him versus russell. Wilson going toe to toe with russell. Wilson and mvp caliber player is super bowl. Champion was really one. Throw away from beating the patriots and becoming a two time superbowl champion again. russell wilson. Who gets steve. Young comparisons and things like that but at the end of the day. I really do believe that they think murray can ascend that level. Just like i do and again. They're going all in on him. And it's good to see. Because you love to see when young quarterbacks get the weapons that they want have the team around them and they can really start to ascend and get to their full potential than the cardinals are going to be. Must watch television next year and it wouldn't surprise me if that wasn't the last move. They made to help calum murray if they can improve their defense. That'd be nice too but obviously with an offensive minded head coach cliff kingsbury running the spread. Offense defense unfortunately is going to be. The main goal of the football team is going to be one games and score points. And that's what calendar is gonna be able to do with cliff kingsbury. This year. I believe with all of these weapons. They just need to tighten running back. But hey that could be what the draft is for all right. It's going to do it for this segment on the other side of this short break. I want to do some rapid fire on some of the bigger deals that have happened. We'll talk about the bears. Getting a andy dalton y. I don't necessarily agree with that. Move and why i think ryan pace. His job might already gone before. The season even started out talk about washington and why believe they will win the nfc east and if we have time we'll get to the miami dolphins who walked in the nfl with thirty million dollars a cat space and were expected to be aggressive in the free winter supermarket. No big name slash for the miami dolphins just yet. Who do i can be going after. And why coming up all after this short break. Check out the show that's built on the from. Ufc too extreme cage. Fighting they got the fights covered. Check out the gsm. See m a podcast. Get the latest news on past or upcoming fights. 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I just finished giving you my spiel on everything arizona cardinals again because of cuyler murray's chief contract as of right now again the next few years they eventually will have to extend him and give him top dollar money but they are capitalizing on the fact that he is costing them virtually nothing right now as a first round quarterback on his rookie deal making about four or five million dollars a year and i think that is the main reason why they are going all in on some of these older veteran free agents like aj green and also rodney hudson who they traded for for about a third round. Pick from the raiders. Again big moves from the arizona cardinals. I want to transition now and for the rest of this segment. I just wanted to rapid fire giving you my quick dots and some of the bigger moves that have been made so far. And i'm not gonna get to all them over the next few weeks of the show of course more. Nfl news will be coming out. So i'll get to all of it eventually. But here are some of the bigger storylines. And i definitely noticed going through a free agency so far the first one is that i believe that the washington football team is going to win the nfc east. Next year and i think this should be the heavy favorites again. I was kinda hinting at this I think either my lascaux or two shows ago. Whichever one was one about getting paid. I told you that despite the fact of dak prescott getting paid top dollar to be the dallas cowboy quarterback. I wasn't entirely convinced that the cowboys we're gonna win the division again. Yes they have that. Court press covers their quarterback so no they won't be as bad as they were last year but still at the end the day. This team does not have a good defense in aging offensive line. And there's a lot of question marks surrounding ezekiel elliott. I hate to say it. Is he in shape. How does he look. Is he hitting that running back. Cliff that we all know a majority of running backs hit. Was they to certain age. Because of the physicality of the game. There's a lot of questions ensure they're gonna score points and sure it's gonna look flash insure dexter the stats but i think the washington football team have just made themselves the odds on favorites in the nfc east and i think they could cause some trouble in the nfc overall. So let's start with their quarterback they there's been questions for weeks now who the washington football team was going to look at for their quarterback. Obviously they have a top ten defense in the nfl. I would even argue. What's top five. I would argue that. They have top three defensive line in the league. Ron rivera is one of the better defensive coaches in the league and once that washington football team really bought in toronto rivera his ways his teachings they took off man and you saw the team that gave the tampa bay buccaneers the most struggles in their playoff run. Which eventually led to a super bowl. Victory was taylor heineke in the washington football team. The offense is all. They needed their defense. In my opinion you could argue is championship caliber. Defense is that good of a defense. We know ron rivera is a good coach to get you to a super bowl. He did it in two thousand fifteen with cam newton and that panther team. They needed offense. They have a stud wide receiver. One mccord who i think is the most underrated receiver in the league. He's an absolute speed demon. Obviously with the running game that they have now behind their their rookie is incredible as well. They have a decent offensive line. I think it could be improved a little bit. But hey you're not going to be perfect at everything. But then they made two major major free agent moves. They brought in quarterback ryan fitzpatrick and wide. Receiver curtis samuel both moves that i absolutely love for this washington football team. Let's get into it so with. I'll start with curtis samuel because of course the it's magic part is the more important part of the quarterback. Curtis samuel is the jonnu smith of this wide receiver class right so jonnu. Smith is this versatile athletic incredible physical specimen tight ends. That a lot of people would say was underused in tennessee. Wasn't used to his max capability signs a big deal with the contract with the new england patriots. Not necessarily the pigeons aren't paying for his production with tennessee. They're paying for the increased production that he's going to have with the patriots. Curtis samuel is a lot like that with this free agent wide receiver class. He isn't the flashiest name. Came out or juju. Smith schuster yet. His value and potential might be the highest of any of the receivers in this frazier class. Maybe besides kenny golladay. His combination of speed in playmaking is second to maybe only tyreek hill. When you watch. Highlights they use them a lot in. The backfield is sort of this running back wide receiver hybrid and creative ways. You gotta remember that. Carolina has an offensive as meant to spread the ball around with teddy bridgewater. And of course they have robby anderson and dj more and christian. Mccaffrey majority of those. Those carries or catches whatever it may be depending on the position and courtesy was really the odd man out of the group. Which is the reason why they didn't pay and bring him back. Twenty four years. Old out of ohio state was college teammates with terry maclaurin. Interior actually tweeted out that they were talking about this in the dorm rooms back at ohio state potentially playing together now. This is a fantastic move. Not only as a speed demon like terry. They're very similar players. They do a lot with the run after the catch and curtis samuel man. If there was one word describes it would just be a playmaker. You wanna get the ball in that guy's hands whether it's a deep threat whether it's a shot play whether it's even a screen hell carolina gave him handoffs in the in the backfield. As a running back he would have revision. He's just a complete pay playmaker on all four phases of of the game. And i really do believe that this was a great signing the paramilitary mclaren have to incredibly young speedy receivers. And then you bring in ryan fitzpatrick who is the ultimate veteran. The ultimate team guy young guys fall in love with playing with him. You saw dolphins started mike sticky. Who's one of the younger players in this league. It's one twenty five years old. So the free give this heartfelt message ryan fitzpatrick. We know how. The young dolphins team responded ryan fitzpatrick in the two years that he was there. They love to play for him. This is a young young washington football team. They need a leader. They need an adult in the room. That's why alex smith was so valuable. That team but ryan fitzpatrick's better quarterback at this stage of his career then alex smith. You could argue mind. Patrick is playing. The best years of football is right now now. I know you wonder we all understand that when fitzpatrick comes usually fits. Tragic comes after that but the last two years. There hasn't been a whole lot of strategy. There's been some bad moments but not these horrendous game blowing moments and on top of all that you have to remember that fits. Magic wasn't a thing. The entirety of ryan fitzpatrick's career wasn't only thing until he really went to tampa bay and was telling you with that wide receiving group. When does shawn jackson was there and he was still in his athletic pride. You just gave essentially ryan fitzpatrick to sean jackson. S receivers with their speed thirty dropping. You know hail. Mary throws all day long on these teams. It's going to be a track me when you have that ability to take those shots again. This is the perfect mix for the washington football team. You have to understand. The reason why ryan fitzpatrick was able to work to be honest with you so well and so popularly in miami was because he was allowed to take those risks and throw those interception throw those deep balls and be aggressive and thrown a tight with knows because miami had such a good defense that they have gone the ball back for you or caused a three and out or you don't get extra possessions you can afford to throw an interception against miami's have come out there and they're gonna stop at your defensive stop at washington. Has that same thing. So when you give ryan fitzpatrick his strength which is speed. Receivers are gonna get opened down the field pausing to make those no tight window throws and give them those deep balls and if he does make those mistakes like fits magic which will eventually become. It's tragic eventually. We'll make defense can bail them out and this defense will bail them out because they are a talented young superstar defense and at the end of the day. That's exactly what ryan fitzpatrick needs. Right now wouldn't surprise me at all. If the washington football team won eleven games in one that division. And i really do believe that ryan fitzpatrick if we got the dolphins and tampa bay buccaneer ryan. Fitzpatrick fits magic really. Do believe that washington could take off not to a super bowl contender or anything like that. I don't think you win the super bowl. It's is your quarterback but as a mentor to potentially a young guy in the second round or later in the first round. That would work as well too. I think it was a great all around signing in the courtesy sanyal takes it to another level for the washington football team. I want to transition now to the chicago. Bears who have now made another quarterback change this time they have brought in andy dalton who was the guy that they were also considering bringing in last year to compete with mitch trubisky but instead they brought in nick foles now trubisky is the one out and he will be looking to sign the new team and now they're going to do a foles versus andy. Dalton quarterback competition folks. This is horrible. And i feel bad for chicago bears fans because to be quite honest with you. I think they have an incredible roster. I think they have a great coach and matt matt. Maggie is a good coach but to be honest with you. Ryan pace might be the worst general manager in the league. Let me bring you back to ryan pace history with quarterbacks in the city of chicago. He has brought in now four quarterbacks since his time as a general manager when you were hired as the new. Gm of a team. Your number one job is to get the quarterback position right. You attach your job. Essentially as general manager of the quarterback draft or bring into win you games and eventually hopefully when you a super bowl. Ryan pace has brought in four quarterbacks. I believe since what was at twenty seventeen since he's been brought in in free agency. He signed a mike glennon to a three year. Forty five million dollar contract and then traded up one spot to draft mitchell trubisky and twenty seventeen the same year he brought in those two guys years later he then traded for nick foles which was a fourth round. Pick a now. He's signing as a free for one year ten million dollars. It's over ryan. Pace should have been fired. Maybe two quarterbacks ago now he's gotten his fourth quarterback and he didn't even pick the right. One chicago found success when they got away from nick. Foles gave it to mitch trubisky. I'm not that you need to advocate to bring mitch trubisky back in chicago running back mr bisky all but i think chicago should have been really looking at was a better version of mitch. Trubisky aka a dual threat athletic quarterback. Which is why. I thought they were so into to shawn watson and russell wilson is because they realize oh. Our quarterback needs to be athletic. Be able to move to run our system. We had zero successful. Nick foles a statue the pocket but we had more success in the playoffs of mr bisky. A dual threat guy. They just need to find a better version of mitch. Trubisky somebody who could extend the play. Run some bootlegs. Run the play action system while in run to the right some escape ability. What does have the better arm of mitch trubisky. So you can look at a guy like marcus. Mariota you go in the draft. You can do a couple of other. Different things. Trade for russell wilson but instead ryan pace the genius decision of bringing an antidote to a one year. Ten million dollar deal emi dom on a stacked offense last year and he looked okay to pretty good. Not bad but in this office was chicago. That doesn't have a ton of weapons to begin with not to mention that it looks like they might be tagging and trading out robinson potentially in a baltimore or something like that any dalton who again is not a mobile guy is a statue and it looks like they're going to be losing allen robinson and he might not be playing their next year. I don't understand what the bears ryan pace are seeing in this move with antidote. Do these they see a game. Manager i do. They were interested in alex smith or something like that again. They needed a mobile guy. I thought that's why they were so into watson. And so into a russell wilson. I really thought chicago was bring in a guy like marcus mariota. Somebody like that some dual threat ability. Somebody who could move extend the pocket extend the play by more times for your weapons to get open or maybe run for a first down and sending go with the red rival need all who in probably the most talented cast ever been surrounded on offense last year with dallas. Cowboys looked okay. And in my opinion. That's not what you need a quarterback not in the city of chicago which has had a quarterback really in seventy years. And you have the fuel for bears fans. Because again they've gone from. Mike glennon to mitch. Trubisky nick foles and now. They're any dalton. None of those guys are even close to franchise quarterbacks and again when you have a general manager in football off. Who realizes that. If i don't win this year i'm fired. They're not gonna care about drafting a rookie and developing or the future of the franchise or anything like that. They just want to preserve their job. They wanna win. They want to win now and they believed any. Don's gonna give them the best chance to get back to the playoffs next year in chicago and i disagree with them. I'm not too sure about that. The final thing. I want to talk about in this segment. We'll talk about two things. One of them being the kansas city chiefs have signed to major guards. You could argue to the top. Ten guards league maybe even top five one of them being joe tune into a five year eighty million dollar contract. Nab him away. From the new england patriots. And what was maybe the more underrated and not talk about signs of day. I mean you could argue. I think you could say really the joe. Tony is the second best garden football only behind. Probably quinton nelson and now. He's playing on the best offense in the league with the best quarterback in the league and the best offense of mine. The league only good things can happen there. But not only that kyle long. Who's probably close to a hall of fame if not definitely a hall of fame guard. Coming out of chicago has been retired for about a year. two and now he's backing. He signed with the kansas city chiefs one year. Five million dollar deals. You're now talking about a team that's gonna wanna run it up. The gut potentially a lot more than they have in the past but again not that i necessarily disagreed with the signings of the players weren't so good i would but again i don't understand kansas city going to guards instead of tackles considering what happened in the super bowl and they cut both of their starting tackles so i thought they'd be aggressive on the tackle market and free agency. Instead they go with guards now. The guards are good. Kyle long and joe tinny you could argue to the top seven guards in the nfl but the tackle positions going to be interesting to watch with kansas city going forward if they're gonna maybe shift their focus to the draft and maybe trade up or something like that would spread because they need a new left and right tackle unless they're gonna go with the backup or something like that and promote from within so that's gonna be just to see in the final thing is is one of the miami dolphins. Doing a lot of teams are a lot of people expecting miami dolphins to be aggressive in the free agent market going after wide. Receivers going after weapons for to what they have done none of that. They've really just scraped around the edges. They made that treat bernardo mckanie and they really bring in some depth guys. Lawrence guy was named they brought in They need a senator. Because they're senate kerry simon the new england patriots so they will have a new center next year and my opinion miami is holding out for something. I don't know what it is. They're either holding out for a guy like juju. Smith schuster david andrews. Maybe kenny golladay. But he's taking to visit with a giant so that's looking likely there or like some people have speculated they're not spending any money because they need to save the space for their run into shawn watson now. That is an interesting theory. I however i think they are going to build onto about loa. They did signed jacoby percent to be the backup. I think he was there to be back to talking about. I think if i had to guess miami hasn't spent their money yet because the guys they've offered the contracts just haven't accepted them yet looking like david andrews juju smith schuster. I could expect both of those guys to be a dolphin. I wouldn't be surprised at all. But if those guys go on signed for example if juju smith schuster signs with the raiders and david andrews signs with i know the giants or somebody else then you have to start wondering what is miami saving the money for they cut kyle to save some money there. Apparently restructurings and contracts like bernarda mckinney to save some money. What are they saving the money for. There has to be somebody who going after the shawn watson who knows aren't going to take one final short break you're on the other side of this final break. I want to break down to nba traits. That happened today. Pj tucker getting traded to milwaukee and trevor aretha getting traded to the miami heat. I want to bring all that good stuff down. I want to talk about Lamarcus aldridge where. I believe his most likely destination as well. Coming up all right after this final short break. Are you looking for help with your fantasy. Football team check out. Gmc fantasy football podcast. 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Pj tucker who's been away from the team for the last couple of weeks as they were seeking a trade for him. They got some pics bag to me a couple of players swaps including augustine but the main part of the trade is that they do in fact land. Pj tucker a team in the miami. He apparently had a lot of interest in him. Before that trade went down according to catch perkins he was either going to milwaukee or miami. I'm perkins said that he got that call from a pj tucker about six hours before the trade actually went down ended up going to milwaukee. I understood why miami was interested. Maybe i'm missing something here. I'm not entirely sure. Why milwaukee was so in on a guy like pj tucker unless they want him to maybe play the three. I understand that he's six six so he would fit in that light rain. I'm not sure he's a little bit on the bigger side for three again. He traditionally plays a four. Maybe a small ball five. He's a really good corner three specialists again. I would assume. He's coming off the bench from this milwaukee not starting because again the starting at the four middleton starting at the three and then of course brooke lopez's the three point shooting big man starting at the five so unless they're bumping everybody up a slot meaning maybe jaanus at the three or four. Pj tucker at the three or four middleton the to holiday at the one. i could see it. It seems big corgi. Lana to me. Seems like a slow lineup to me. So i would expect. Pj took her to come off the bench. I understood why the miami heat would be interested in looking for a big man next. Bam didn't see them walking but either way. Pj tucker's a really great three defender. They'll find some way to use them whether it's starting off the bench. He's going to help them. Walkie box In any way that he can. I don't know if it's a starter off the bench. But whatever will he does find himself in again. Great corner three-point specialists as well as a great perimeter defender He's a pretty good paint. Defender as well is a pretty great offensive rebound and defensive remand given his size to scrappy tough and physical great trade for the milwaukee bucks just didn't necessarily understand the fit but hey maybe we'll see in the next coming bucks game where they decide to fit. Pj tucker and also the heat treated meyers leonard and twenty twenty seven second round pick to the oklahoma city thunder for three player. Trevor aretha now. This one was interesting to me because he's been away from the team also all year similar to. Pj tucker has been out of basketball for a year erik. Spoelstra descried the move similar to when they traded for andre iguodala about a year ago as well. I don't know either. Be that much of an impact andrea darlas. When the better perimeter defenders in the league decent three point shooter think a better shooter than better defender either way. A little bit of a yang and yang between those two can't hurt anyone in the definitely needed the heat to get some more shooting. I totally see the growing are out there and certain lines of butler and bam and having banned sort of play a little bit of a small ball. Roll there I know that they're still looking for traditional. Big like markaz aldridge. We'll talk about in a second here. But at the end of the day i think trevor rees it was a great move for the heat. They pride themselves on the three point. Shooting duncan robinson. Tyler herro kelly olympic of course goran dragic. Now you had another one in trevor aretha. Who's one of the better three point shooters in the league specifically from the corner but i don't think the heater done making moves. Keep an eye on victory. People it's been rumored to go to miami forever. I'm not sure if that you will ever actually get done until next year's free agency but definitely keep an eye on lamarcus aldridge rudy gave from the miami heat. Both of those guys. From the san antonio spurs have been rumored trade into the heat again. The heater looking for a four to play next ban. They're not completely satisfied with that. Four spot position about starting right now but it's really olympic as the other big that comes off the bench. Take at a guy like rudy gay lamarcus. That would the heat in syria series contention right. Nothing brooklyn's the best team in the east when fully healthy katie and the whole trio was playing but that battle for second place between philly miami and a damn it really comes down to those three and at the end of the day. I think the nets are going to probably be the best team in the east again. But that's seconds to in philly milwaukee. Miami is definitely going to be tough For the long run even at the seating works out harbor way it is. I would take miami to be walking walking. be miami. It's going to be close to the winner. Matter how they seating finishes. I won by too much in the seating. Besides i think we all agree. Brooklyn's the best team least. It's going to be a fun time to see trading a little under a month away. I think i believe it's either at the end of this month or the beginning of april. And that's when it gets to know willem. Archaeologists betrayed we'll vitriol. A depot betrayed traded some of these other guys on the market to some contention teams as gonna be a lot of fun to watch another team that you should keep an eye on to move the boston celtics right now. They're fit in the eastern conference or twenty twenty five hundred team a worse record right now than the charlotte hornets. When i don't think it's something danny ainge expected any guy who is always not been aggressive. I talked about on this show before and has always hurt. His draft picks needs needs needs to make a move miles turner. Somebody there needs to be a big shakeup with this boston team. Otherwise i can see somebody losing their job at the end of this year. 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Training Camp Preview - Offense

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Training Camp Preview - Offense

"Clns is Patriots. Coverage is powered by our exclusive wagering Partners at betonline.ag use the promo. Code clns, fifty-four, 50% off your initial deposit. How's it going, everybody? Evan Lazar Alex. Barth live Patriots. Beat podcast here on this Thursday afternoon, Alex, we are less than one week from the start of Patriots training camp. It's hard to believe that the off season is over but we are almost there. We are 6 days away from football at least players being back out on the field, we won't get too full padded, practice until maybe the second or third day of training camp. Oh well, at least get to see players back out on the field on Wednesday media, availability all day Tuesday, with Patriots, head coach, Bill Belichick, and some of the captains office returning captains of the Patriots, and things like that. So, everything's sort of starting to slowly get underway, the rookies are back in the building. Everybody is signed and under contract among that rookie class. So, we're starting to hear some trickling outs of things, going on, and things happening, and people reporting. And it's a football is almost here. Yeah, it it's feeling really real and I'll tell you, there's some of the ancillary stuff, obviously, everything you just mentioned kind of gives you the feeling but, you know, the culture of football, everything around it is starting to feel that way of college football rankings coming out. Next week, we have Madden ratings coming out next week, which I am going to make you talk about at some point, you know, just the little things that kind of happen around this time of year are starting to happen. And that's that's really exciting. Yeah. Absolutely. And we love training camp in this. This show is yeah, made for training camp like the two of us live and breathe training, camp and said, since college. Cuz I covered where I went to a D3 school, I mean, we went to the same school. I went to a D3 school. So we got, you know, pretty close close access to the team. We were really the only ones covering them and we use a good practice every day and we could watch the whole practice and right. I remember, I there's nothing better than just standing outside standing up on a hill somewhere and watching football practice for like 2 to 2 and 1/2 hours. It's just awful. So much fun. Right? So we both love it. This is I would say my besides maybe the draft. I do love the giraffe, so it's great to. Yeah. I always get caught up in which one I like more, but I'm training. Camp is definitely if not number one on my list. It's number two of my favorite times of year and Alex and I are going to be on the podcast at least twice a week. We might even do more than that wage different on everything. I think, probably Wednesday since it's the first day of practice, right right. Well, definitely be here with you guys every step of the way during training camp breaking down everything that we see. And I'm really excited, the fans will be back out at Camp. A whole, much bigger pool of reporters will be allowed to be back out at Camp as well. So Alex and I will bring all of the camp courage starting next week, but for now, we're still in preview mode. I can't wait till we can actually talk about some real football, but we're still in preview mode right now. So we previewed the defense, last week, this month. We're going to preview the offensive side of the ball for the Patriots and I think similarly to the defense and we're going to get into our rankings here in a moment of who is going to lead the team in receptions Henry McKenna through them out there yesterday. I think it's a interesting talking point because one little exercise yeah it's a fun little exercise because they're just like on the defense there's so many new faces and there's so much change on this side of the football and all looks great on paper but how it's all going to come to fruition and how it's all going to come together during the season. You could make this top five, we did top five and she could make this top five ten different ways and I would believe you. Right? Like it's really feels like no one has any clue who is going to kind of Step Up who's going to be that number one target for Shack hours under Center and all these types of things that can come together once the season actually starts but we both made top five lists. One through five of who we feel is going to suck. Be the team leader in receptions from 1 through 5. I want to get into our list. And then I want to talk about the one guy that we both left off that. I felt like we wanted to have on them. We did cut it off at 5, but let's throw your list up there first, so I can bash it now. I'm just kidding. And then we'll get, we'll get some vilest. But here is Alex's birthday list of who will lead the Patriots and receptions, and you have a surprise a little bit to me at least at number one. And I like, where your head's at. I want to hear your explanation to it of having jonnu Smith in that top spot. So, basically, what I did is, I started with, I went back and I looked at the 2011, Patriots, and that team actually, Wes Welker LED in in receptions, but this team does not need Wes, Welker obviously, and then it's the two tight ends, it's Gronk and, and Aaron Hernandez. And I think that Jonnu Smith in some ways. So, so, both tight ends are going to be heavily used. But I think one jonnu Smith in some ways can fill that Wes Welker role that he filled in 2011. I think, I don't know them to run him out of the slot like that like directly. But I think he can take some of that. Workload, that Wes Welker had in 2011, the other thing is, I think, whoever the quarterback is, whether it's Cam Newton or Matt Jones Newton said, right? Then. He was having trouble with the pre-snap reads it, Matt Jones, obviously, as a rookie. So I think that there's going to be a heavy investment in plays that are screened, open, both maybe complicated thoughts and stuff, but even things, as simple as screens. And who is the, the biggest beneficiary of of schemed open plays in this offense, or who should it be in that jonnu Smith? So, I'm I'm actually going to go hunter Henry 4 yards and I'm going to go James White for touchdowns, but if we're talking about reception specifically, I'm going to go jonnu Smith. I I was really tough at 3 a.m. James White has been a Patriots, top three leading receiver for the last five years, but he did have a little bit of a Down year last year. So I was really close on three and four. You can flip those and at 5 or 2. I know you want to talk about it. Separately in a little bit but it really wasn't coin-flip Nelson. Agholor first Kendrick Bourne, right? So I understand where you're coming from with Johnny Smith. Basically your argument is is that they're going to have to be a smoke-and-mirrors offense in a lot of ways. And Johnny was the best guy to use in those Gadget type of place, right? Of course, him the ball as a ball-carrier, get him into space, offered him create within his hands. If anybody is going to do that among the Patriots pass-catchers that they have currently, it's, it's probably going to be John and I think too there's some place here that I mean like a pot pass that to catch. Right? But that's not you know, so like you gotta consider things like that too, right? So number one, Johnny Smith number two with Hunter Henry. Just wage I know I Hunter Henry over Johnny for you. Well, so again I think some of that scheme stuff I I think to Henry is going to be more, I think they're actually going to kind of use them as an ex-wife. They're going to use it more as a guy who can stretch the field. Now he'll do it on the middle of the field instead of the outside and he won't be as much of a volume guy. We're we're he'll be a big-play guy. I just also think you know if you're a defense in your scheming things off, there's more guys in the league and there's more more defenses in the NFL built to cover, Hunter Henry than maybe there are jonnu Smith in that, you know. There's there's other guys like Hunter Henry out there that you're going to have to cover of whether it be a guy like a, Mike gesicki. A guy like a Travis Kelce? I don't know that in this too tight end system. There's as many pre-built, you know, existing defense of game plans to cover a guy named Johnny Smith. So I think we're your heads out with this because we're going to pull up my list in the second we different a little bit here. I think where your head is at with, in terms of Hunter Henry, is that he's going off Just in high-leverage situations. Yes. And that's going to be where they're really going to go to him but he's not necessarily going to be a hundred and twenty-five Target type of guy where they're they're going to him all the time. It's more going to be its third and 8 we need a first down Henry's. Our guy, it's Red Zone situation Henry's. Our guy here, but not necessarily first intent. Henry's are right? I see how may I see it in some ways. Jaanu is the drive starter Henry's, the dry finisher, and I'll add to cuz I forgot to mention. There's also the injury concerned with Hunter Henry and I've downplayed that since they signed him. And I stand behind that, I do think that they are at least early in the season, maybe going to limit his workload a little bit, okay. And the last one I wanted to talk about with your list, we were going to talk about Jacoby Myers a little bit too because the mileage before I discuss him, James White at number for over both Nelson Aguilar and Kendrick Bourne. I think we both feel like last year is sort of a wash for James. White based off of everything that happened on off the field for him and we kind of giving him a pass, right? To kind of bounced back and get back to his usual form. The only hesitancy I speak with James White being on this list over a guy like board is if it is Cam Newton under Center, is he going to be efficient enough to his check Dad's for James White to be fed, right? Because right. He was pretty good with Christian McCaffrey Christian McCaffrey's rookie year cam did get him the ball pretty frequently but you're going to have to see a much better timing through the offense, if you will out of cabs in order for a guy like James White to be the old James White that we're used to with Tom Brady. So even with everything that happened last year, James White was second on the team in receptions. He had 49 despite not playing fourteen games, second only to Jacobi Myers over the past four years. He's been talked to in receptions on the steam reliably. I just I it it's a historical context thing for me it's hijab. Always in their top two, I felt bad, putting him for I wanted to put him three, but there did look to be a little bit of a physical drop off. As they're generally is, for backs of his age. So, you know, I really, you know, I think I had him set off at one point when I was doing this, and I was really back and forth between 3rd or four, but if he's not in the top four, four receptions, or at least 4 targets, I would be very surprised assuming he stays healthy, okay? So, I'm sorry. They also don't have Rex Burkhead, who was their second-leading, receiving back. So there's actually room for his targets to go up. Okay? Now, you can go, okay, I want to put it up one last time. Is there anything else that you said? I didn't, you know, question you on here that you wanted to bring up about your list? I would say I cuz I saw people doing this on Twitter. Some people were saying that, you know, they were like, qualifying n'keal Harry gets traded, he doesn't walk. This is my list. Whether nikhil Harry's on the team or not qualify that, okay? All right, I like that. And I also want to qualify our list with we're not doctors, we're not out here, trying to predict people are going to get hurt them. Injuries off, right? We're assuming that everybody's going to be out there at least enough, maybe not the full sixteen games, but nobody is going to be an IR, season-ender type of injury cuz none of us thought we shouldn't really be protecting that kind of stuff right here. Here is my list. I definitely different a little bit with you on the tight ends. I feel like whether we had Aguilar at 5 and white at 4 or vice versa, it doesn't really matter too much. But the two at the top that I had number one under Henry. And number two Jacoby, I think opens up a the conversation if we wanted to have a little about Kendrick Bourne. Once you get to Jacobi number one, with Hunter Henry personally, I just feel like Hunter Henry against man coverage Zone coverage, just in terms of running routes and his ability to get open is now the most dynamic Patriots pass-catcher on the team because as much as I hear you about all the scheme stuff with jaanu and all that kind of thing, Hunter Henry Kang. Ability to run routes is far superior to Johnny Smith. Johnny Smith is not a tactical route-runner, right? He is a guy that can get vertically up the field very well, and he's a guy that can be scheme do page and then create what the ball in his hands after the fact. But not necessarily someone that runs crisp routes Hunter Henry, has one successfully in the NFL despite I would say I went to call it, quits acting athleticism but he's not an all-out explosive type of guy. He's not somebody that really burns up the field but yet he still gets open in the phone booth because he's very physical at the top of the page out. He's very good through his brakes with his footwork. He understands leverage, he understands how to get open against certain coverages. So to me, I feel like in Burgan work, happiness, with as long as everybody is Kathy, right. I do think that answer, Henry can return to that 2015-2016 Hunter Henry Ford. When he first broke into a league with the Chargers that was a different player than the guy in terms of birth. Receiving, then the guy that we've necessarily saw, the last couple of years in Los Angeles slash San Diego. So if he can get back to that version of Hunter Henry who was one of the best receiving tight ends in football, at that time, I think he's going to be a highly highly productive player for the Patriots. So can I get you kind of psycho analyzed my list can I, can I take my turn at yours here so? Absolutely. You have Jacoby second month so you do you basically believe Jacoby is the replacement for the Edelman role. That that's his spot cut. It's ended his done. Yes. So I this is the conversation that I really wanted to have was because yeah, it's it's really between Jacoby Myers and Kendrick Bourne. For that role, right? And whoever wins that role is going to be very, very high on this list. Yes. And and we saw some people that had dead Kendrick Bourne, all we have at one, right? Like, you know, more throwing out their list yesterday, so whoever wins that battle for those reps as the second receiver because you're going to assume. Yep. Agholor is going to be out there for field stretching purposes. Pretty much a lot of the time like I think like Aguilar is probably going to be the guy that leads the team or leaves the wide receiver group and snaps back into wide. The mirror bird leather receivers and snaps last year even though he wasn't necessarily the best receiver on the team. He was a field stretcher and a burner and they needed that guy to stretch the defense a little bit in a similar situation with a girl or with Jacoby versus Kendrick Bourne. That's really what it's going to come down to and every single time you doubt Jacoby that guy just gets open like it's not necessarily the flashiest, he's not the most explosive guy, he's not the best. Most dynamic route runner in terms of vertical speed and all these kinds of things. But yet he still gets open and he watched the way that corner office is go up against him and it's like he's faster than he actually is. Sometimes because guys actually really do respect his vertical, his vertical stands in his vertical speed off the line of scrimmage even though home Like a four or five five, four six guy and is it going to run by anybody? These DBS are backpedaling every single time. He releases vertically up to field and he's able to break off those rats. I just don't want to sleep on, Jacoby my life because I do think that he really started to come on last year and I don't think that that was just all good player, bad team, you know, NBA kind of complex near where like one guy has to shoot forty shots. So we average is 25 a game. I don't think that it was all that for Jacoby Myers. I actually think that he really blossomed into a good player and is going to be a productive player again. So, I guess what I would say is and I don't disagree with any of that. I think Myers is going to be a good player, but is he do you think he'll be good enough for or even if he is? Do you think Josh McDaniels says wage here is Julian edelman's entire roll. It's yours. Like I think they're going to break it up. I think Myers will get a good chunk of it but I think Born get some of it and I also think jonnu Smith and James White get some of those responsibilities as well. Thematically that Julian Edelman used to handle. I mean, he was a massive, massive part of their offense and I just don't see them giving all of that immediately to Jacobi Myers right away. I think again, I think he gets a good chunk of it, but I think edelman's going to be replaced by committee and that's kind of why I had my mind up. How I did. Yeah, you know, last year, Jacoby Myers, was that guy? You know, he did you have any other stuff they had? Nobody else. That's a fair point. And I think what we both struggled with on both of our list because we each only had, I think two wide receivers, right? We didn't have that third wide receiver in there and what we both, we both probably have Kendrick born at 6 though, right? I mean, I oh yeah, yeah yeah I think we both struggled with is you're going to be in twelve perhaps Alice so often because right now we're going to take either of those two tight ends. This, you know, this is the starting offense right here. So we're looking at, regardless of the order, these are this is the, the the, for lack of a better term this month. Base offense, right? And maybe you can swap out, Damien Harris on the first and second round games wife. But this is there, 12. This is there money. Gotta Have It end of the game. Need to put a drink together. Twelve Personnel. Right, right here, we think, unless born-again beats out, Jacoby Myers. But the problem was, is trying to find trying to put born on this list. Over even a guy like a James potentially or even over a guy like a girl or is opportunity and and chances. Because if they're going to run so many packages with only two wide receivers on the field, either Myers wage or Kendrick. Bourne, somebody's going to be the odd man out, right? And I think right now based off of, I would say a little bit of minicamp, but mostly just how good Jacobi Myers was last year. Maybe I, I think both of us have sort of decided that's going to be Jacoby Myers. So, the one thing I wonder, right? If, if there if there is a way to open it up for Kendrick born here. If Hunter Hancock Proves to be a good enough filled stretcher with size instead of speed and I know that that's not easy to do but if he can kind of be the downfield threat guy and a girl or did an amazing spring, he wasn't bad but he wasn't great did drops. It keeps up. Does does Hunter Head? I'm trying to think of how to do this within the actual terminology and I'm confusing myself off or Henry, essentially become the axe and then Myers inborn are your two receivers working underneath. It's possible. I just, I think that they're going to want to have Aguilar out there because I'm not even if he's not a highly productive receiver and this is I think something that I am going to argue with Patriots fans all season long cuz they're going to sit there and they're gonna say they're paying the guy 12 and 1/2 million dollars. He's only it has 30 catches on the season, we're in week 15, they're overpaying this player. But what you really have to look at with him to me is how are other teams aligning their song? These right and how how does the middle of the field look, does it look crowded or does are those safeties creeping down and every single time, Johnny runs up to see more Hunter Henry runs over the middle of the field. That deep safety is crashing down and crashing down and trying to take away that route or is Nelson agholor effect on the offensive. Good enough? That he's pushing those safeties back that he's forcing the post safety rude, to respect the Deep package and it's forcing, these guys in the back end of the defense even against the run, right? Can he prevent teams from crowding? The line of scrimmage because he's brings that vertical speed. The second that you'd take off or off the field. If you're the Patriots, there are already one of the slowest offenses in the league. Even even come out there, they now become easily the slowest offense in the NFL, if you take him off the field again, I'm not saying it's likely but I just think if born is going to get regular snaps, I think it's Aguilar like a cooler. To me is the most likely guy coming off, unless they start going without running backs, which is possible to because without Rex Burkhead. Does jonnu Smith essentially become your second receiving back? Besides James. Right. Again, I'm going out of the box here but no, it's it just kind of proves how, how cemented that group is like, the only other way is. Okay. James needs a rest rhamondre Stevenson's, not ready, either? They make Damien Harris II pass-catching back or they run Johnny Smith out of the backfield which he's done. And then Kendrick Bourne comes on in, you're in what way, that the O2 Personnel, right. Running back. Yeah, yeah, you're in 02. So that, that would really be the only other way could see it happening. Can I ask you a question about this? Yeah. When off of that point though, I when they sign these two tight ends and especially when they signed Johnny with all the things that he did in the backfield for Tennessee, my mind instantly went to, oh, to Personnel, right off like in. They actually can they pull that off and secondly, to can, they can obviously pull it off, but are they going to want to put jaanu out there like that? Not because it's not a good way to use him. And if you remember they definitely used Aaron Hernandez like that out of the backfield quite a bit and he had a carry. I want to say it was it must have been 2011, right? Cuz you know obviously everything happened after that so I think it was 2011 and they handed the football off. The Aaron Hernandez, with him coming out of the backfield, he got popped and it he got a concussion, right? And he was concussed right off the rest of the season, and you wonder playing running back and carrying the football like that is the body blows isn't is a factor, right? And and how much do you want to unveil that? Now with a treats when they went to Aaron Hernandez out of the backfield that was in playoff games big you know, right and try and play off. Type implication games it was situationally right? It was something like that was their offense all the time because they didn't want to risk Hernandez getting hurt out of the backfield but this Patriots team we hope they're back in the play-offs but they're going off. The fight their way into the playoffs. Not like they're going to walk into the playoffs, like, not Patriots. We'll see how many losses the bills have to, you know, give up with Cole Beasley and Josh Allen, but that's another story, right. So at what point in time can we get into a point of the season? Is that right away that Josh? McDaniels throws that up because that is by far no, no disrespect to James why. He's a really good player but I really feel like from a passing standpoint that might be their most dynamic group, right? Right. Well that's kind of the thing. And and you just kind of touched on it there they, you know, yes handing Smith. The ball is definitely an inherent risk and you do need to do it once or twice to keep defenses off guard. But you're probably not in that set off a situation where you're realistically going to run it anyway, I think being one-sided in terms of a passing tendency out of that set. Maybe isn't the worst thing in the world because you're not using it in situations job. Defense is going to expect run anyway and there's still ways to get him the ball, Johnny Smith, the ball creatively out of the backfield out of that set that aren't as risky. I talked about the pot past before screens things, like you should see that little swing pass to Hernandez and the flat where they would just swing them out and in, right. And like a little, it wasn't a full-on. I guess it kind of was a screen but there was like a bubble. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, there's there's ways around it, right? There's ways around taking that risk and I, you know, I'm not coming out in that again. Maybe, if you're in the playoffs, maybe if it's for the game, you're doing this, but I'm not coming out in that set and like, second and three, I'm saving that 4/3 + 7/3 + 8, 2 minute drill things like that. Where the defense isn't going to be keying in on the Run anyway, right? Exactly. Well, let's wrap this up and get on to some of these other players on the offense. But well, so I ask you two questions. Sure. Cuz if they're part of this conversation, do the Patriots have a home. At receiver this year. Yes or no. I think the only guy that could get to a hundred would be Jacobi and I don't think he's going to get the target, share to get to a hundred. So I'm going to say, no, I think they're going to make a big time point to spreading the ball out. I'm also going to say no. Now we just need his yards. Give me your top 3. If I'm going to go yards. I man that's tough because we didn't catch his own. Needs an arbitrary stat. We might as well. Do the other two big ones, it's fair. All right, so if I'm going to go yards, I I still think Hunter Henry is going to leave them in yards as well but I I would I would probably have at the same with Hunter Henry bath to Coby Johnny and 123 I would agree with that four yards. I had a, I think catches and yards one of my bold predictions for the season. Spoiler alert will be that the, the leader in catches back yards, and receiving touchdowns will be three different players. I think they're really going to spread it out. So Evan touchdowns, we'll just do leader for this one. Give me your leader for receiving touchdowns jonnu Smith. I think they're going to find so many creative ways down by the goal line to get him the ball in his answers. That one player that always stands out to me. From his Tennessee days where they handed to him on a Jet Sweep coming across formation. So just receiving, text and just receiving, okay, well, maybe they pop pass it to him, instead of receiving touchdown, he can also box people out. Go Above the Rim, do the whole contested, same thing as well. You did, it was a really good kind of Above the Rim, contested, catch receiver with the Titans too. So I think that he's going to be a real Menace in the red zone. So I go Johnny, I'm actually I'm James White. I think that with two tight ends back on the field. Remember what a mismatched James White was against the middle linebackers. In the Red Zone year, 2017-18, nineteen, part of the boss didn't see that. I think last year is there weren't, you know, there weren't tight ends tying up let's say a safety's. So the safety should come up and help on James. Wait, I think you're going to start seeing a lot of James White and the red zone. On the slower linebackers again. He's going to take advantage, he's going to feed. So I have jaundice misleading and catches Hunter. Henry leading in yards. James, White leading in touchdowns. Those are my those are my thoughts. I go hunter, Henry Hunter Henry Johnny, okay? It's going to be, I'm going to write this down, will revisit this after we gate, but I like it. It's interesting for full disclosure as usually Nails, these and I'm completely off. So, it'll be interesting to see what, what happens, our guy Murphy is pointing out that James White's production gets hurt by cam. He really wanted to get, he was the second-leading receiver on the team leads here. I, I don't, you know, cuz this is all relative to everybody else we can talk about. And that's why I asked you the hundred catch question because the order to me almost isn't as relevant as long as they're leading receiver of a hundred catches. Or does he have 50 like he did last year? So, you know, again it's relative to everybody. James White overall production goes down because of Cam how they've Keemat, you know, his production relative to just the other players on the team. I think that it's certainly the quarterback factors into an extent, but not massively. I think James White's going to get what? He's going to get down to the rest of the players, regardless of who the quarterback is. Now whether he catches five touchdowns or 10 touchdowns, whether he has 50 catches or 75 catches that's going to come down to the quarterback. He is relative to everybody else. I actually don't think the quarterback matters too much. Okay, so let's get into some of these other. We kind of just talked about the core of the offense in terms of pass-catchers off. But we didn't mention a lot of guys that I think people are interested to see in Camp or are interested in the story lines. But let's start with the tight ends, Devin asiasi in Dalton Georgia, the second-year tight ends Asti Asti did have some flashes at the end of last year. I thought he had a decent minicamp as well. He did make a few catches and team girls during minicamp. I think Devin asiasi. You can play. The problem is is that the Patriots went out and sign Hunter, Henry and Johnny Smith, obviously the opportunity is not going to be there, so he's probably just going to be a number three tighten on the depth chart right now. But I do feel like Asti Asti has got something there and I don't know if it's enough to really warrant trading him because I'm not sure the values really going to be there that they're actually going to get something that's going to be a matter to them in return. But how do you feel about Devin asiasi going into this year? And I guess maybe the biggest question with him is Hunter Henry, especially, but Johnny Smith, a little choice to have been known to get nicked up, a little and, and have some injuries throughout the season. Do you feel better about Devin asiasi having to play a more prominent role this year? If let's say hungry were to go down with an injury? Well, I guess I feel better that he doesn't have to play a prominent role. I, you know, I said it before, I do think that they're going to be a little careful with Hunter Henry early on giving his injury history, but dead. Maybe that's the way for Asti Asti to develop and this is the problem last year. He was just kind of thrown out there is gonna be the guy and he was facing top tight and coverage in that stuff. Not that he wouldn't sign a lease for Henry. But I think that they can kind of bring them along, right? They can say, hey, you're going to get, you know this drive. You're going to get these next two, three, four plays. But in high-leverage situations, they obviously have a much better option in Henry. So I, you know, based on what we saw last year, do I feel great about it? No, but after what we saw this spring and that, I think that there is a really solid opportunity in place to help him develop Within game reps in the preseason to is going to be huge. That makes me feel a little bit better about it because I think they will be able to develop him in season as the year goes on. And if you know if it's later in the season and they have to turn to them, we'll see how it's going. I wouldn't be shocked if there's a point where, you know, he's still a drop off from Hunter Henry, but it's not a massive drop off. If it's like week one, that could be Problem. So I there's two ways that he gets on the field. Obviously injury is one of them but you sort of mention them kind of easing the workload a little bit of Hunter Henry and John who Smith just to keep Choice guys. Fresh, we could see the beginning first couple of weeks of the season I think. If Assi Assi has a really good training camp in really good pre-season, maybe he does mix in a little bit with those guys early on just to save those guys for later on in the season. The other thing I'll say about Ozzy Ozzy is is even though he had some issues, I would say with drops last year and things of that nature as a receiver when you log in to see him block. Well as a run-blocker for Patriots tight ends, that's always where it starts for, for all Patriots, pass-catchers really, right? Like when they start blocking their butts off, that's always a good sign. And I often thought that he held up as an inline blocker and not sort of where it starts to be the, the confidence starts to build and things start to come up from that and the past catching the receiving dead. Hopefully comes more. So after the fact, once you get the block and going and once they feel comfortable as blockers cuz they put so much on tight ends place with the blocking. So I'm really interested to see how Aussie Aussie kind of carries that spring into the summer because he did look like a viable NFL tight-end out there at minicamp granted, that was just minicamps. Let's see how it looks in training. Camp song about Dalton Keen, what is Dalton King's role on this team? What's his purpose on this team because I continue to come back too with him that I sort of just feel like the reason why they're going to check it out with him is because it's sunk cost. And I understand that that Bill Belichick might be a little bit above that, but they traded so much to come back up in the third round, 2 draft, this guy that to give up on him. One year in that experiment, seems a little Hasty even for Bill and I but to me that's like the only thing I can come up with is the reason why you should really even be on this team. Like he has no role He has no position like what are we doing here with all games? Well, we did talk about using Devin asiasi to spell Hunter Henry, you can use salt and Keen to spell Johnny Smith, I think too. And we've talked about it before we. I keep saying we talked about this before. We, we need training camp already. Let's go the fullback position as it's existed in New England for the last four or five years, right? That James Devlin role. May, it's really not going to have a spot this year, at least not a dominant one. If you're going to tight ends and a running back and fullback, that's one wide receiver on the field and that's just cause it's not going to work in the modern NFL as much as I would love to see that it's not going to work a ton not in reference for Stan inches and you're just trying to, you know, play ball, right? Look there will be room for a pure lead blocking fullback, but it's not going to be a ton of snaps. Just really like you said, 4th and one goal line, and we've seen the Patriots. Get creative with that before whether it be offensive lineman, we've seen them. Defensive lineman like that. They certainly have guys on this team. Who can do that Christian barmore. I believe did that a couple of times at Alabama. Just one example, I'm sure Lawrence guy could do it and, you know, I'm sure Davon godchaux could do we seem to me as a linebacker? That's fine. They bring the ball to a land and Robert. So if you are, they could use one of their offensive lineman off. The newest is the easy one. You put Justin Herron back there, right? Ted Karras, maybe so long there. There's ways for them to get that when they need it and because they won't need a lead fullback as much or traditionally fullback. I wonder if Dalton Keen slips on as a move full-back, a guy who's maybe more of a passing weapon out of the fullback position and a backup tight end. And he grabs Jakob Johnson spot. So to me, that's how he makes it on. The roster is they wanted a full back, but they don't want that James Devlin Jakob Johnson type, and then he also provides insurance for Johnny Smith because you're not going to put Devin asiasi out there in the world. Johnny Smith is playing right if off. How do you get hurt and you don't have Dalton Keen that role is gone now can donkey, you know, carry that role. I don't know, we'll have to see but at least you have a chance. The, you know, then you have to get to the question was dunking, you know, so ineffective last year that he can get to the practice squad because if you can do that two birds, one stone, you don't have to keep on the roster but you still have them if you need them. So I think a jeans path to the roster. It's a convoluted one. It's not exactly clear cut but I'm not writing them off, you know? I'm not using him. I'm not having him as an automatic roster cut right away, whatever the opposite of Iraq, Iraq is, I guess it can't body. I'm not counting it as a camp body just yet. Oh, absolutely not. And I water, I guess would be the word, right? I agree with you a hundred percent in the fact that his way to be on this team would be the guy that wears all the hats, right? Like just do everything play in the kicking game, play a little bit tight and play a little bit of fullback, move him around and and that's what teams yes, special teams I think. Yep. For exactly what he's going to have to do to continue to make this team and they've been reluctant to go full HD back. But John who really is kind of a full H back and when they use him in those, kind off, ocean plays and plays out of the backfield. And that's going to be a part of this offense. I think moving forward. So maybe we see a little bit more of that. And then we've have typically seen and that off James Devlin. Battering-ram full-back is sort of out, but we sort of see that for Dunkin as a path here to make this team. But where does that leave Jakob Johnson? Because Jakob Johnson developed into a nicely blocker. It can he's not James Devlin but he can play that James develin type of role. But like we just said, how many snaps Is that real get this year, 10%, Maybe song sing it. So I guess it could be higher but I don't know. It it just seems to me like as great as good of a story as Jakob Johnson has been the find a job. The international pathway program and all these kinds of things them as much as he has developed into that role, it just sort of feels like, that role is Obsolete. And there are some options with you Johnson, right? They resonate him as an international pathway player. He wouldn't be eligible to play this year, but they would protect him from getting poached by another team and he wouldn't took up and he wouldn't take up a page. You want to take up a spot on the roster, not on the practice squad. So you basically say, hey we're going to put you on the shelf for the year and then you revisit it next year. Exactly. I that's a chess. Not Checkers. Type of move by Bill Belichick, right? Like you don't mean that fullback this year but maybe they often shifts, maybe things change next year and then you can still revisit it with Jakob Johnson instead of losing him to another team. Yeah, no. I and I think that way we have to see how it all plays out and camp but if you're not going to use the guy this year and you have a way to hold on to them, you know, I, you do kind of have to make sure that that's okay with him, right? If he doesn't want to sit out the year and he thinks song Cosign and play somewhere else. You do kind of have to let him go. But you know, if he says yeah you know like being a patriot and maybe there's not a huge market for fullbacks, which there usually isn't. Then maybe he said, you know, that works for me still getting paid all that, you know, he gets to hang out around the team still. And then you revisit again next year, it's possible. I understand people's cuz I I believe in my life last roster production, I had Jakob Johnson off the team and I got a lot of pushback from people about that, right. Because he has been a good player in his role for the Patriots last year, but it just kind of feels to me like that. Full bad position is unless he's doing some other things, whether it's a kicking game potentially or whatever you can do. Yeah, he's not make himself valuable, somehow get Beyond just being that lead blocker cuz there's just not going to be the Reps there to Warrant carry that but carrying that player like you said you put one of the tight ends back there. You put one in the offensive lineman backyard. Heck you could put one of the defense of life Back there in a goal-line situation and and, and do it that way, my grave. Well played fullback for the Patriots, you know, Atlanta Rob played fullback for the Patriots. So there's all sorts of possibilities if they really need to get rid of full back on the field and they don't have Jakob Johnson Rossford is he valuable enough to make the team. Let's jump back over to the wide receivers some of these depth wide receivers. If you will, we talked about the table three guys, but what about your boy Gunnar? Is he going to blossom into a receiving threat this year? Or are we still talking about Gunner? As just kind of a punt returner? Although hang on, let me pull up the numbers here cuz we've done this before. I I do think he's going to make this even he'll contribute a little bit as a receiver. I don't know how much it's going to be, but he should catch a couple of passes this year. So here's the Jewish gentleman caught, 37 passes his rookie year, but they were pretty banged up that year, right? He then catches seven four Twenty-One, he doesn't break out until 2013 when he catches 105 that's his home. Here in the league at the age of twenty-seven, gonna raszewski is going into his third year, in the league at the age of 25. So using Julian Edelman is the comp using Julian Edelman space wage, there are still two years before Gunnar oshetski is really set to break out. I don't know that he does this year and at the same time, if he doesn't, I'm not going to be concerned with his development as a receiver. As long, we don't see any regression as long as he's, you know, at least slightly better than he was last year. And by the way, last year, he caught 20 passes, which Edelman in his second year, caught seven. Did he really took his last year? And that looking at just right now? No, he didn't. I'm looking at the return numbers. See, I don't know why it's only giving me the return numbers he called, because I think he kind of big fight off for 62 yards. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry about that. So, but if he's in that, like 15, to 20 caps range is where I think he should be. That's about right for him. Yeah, I'm not worried at all, but I've gone. Yep. Develops as a receiver either because he's still brings a ton of value as a punt returner to the team. He's going to make the team the punt returner and we'll see if they get anything out of him as a receiver. They've already gotten more than they would hope for and dream for out of him as a punt returner right now they get anything out of him as a receiver. It's a bonus. How about a real quick? I think the real leap for him to take this year is kick returner. Yeah, he struggled with that last year and he'll have cut. This is going to be one of the more interesting position battles as kick returner. I, I think that if he can be, the kind of cake is a punt returner, he never needs to develop into a receiver and it'll still keep them. It's not quite the same thing. People say, oh, if you can do one, why can't you do the other? They're very different. But if he can emerge as a kick, returner them to me is almost a bigger development than if he emerges as a receiver, a hundred percent. Because the next guy that I'm going to bring up here is Isaiah's, Uber who I think if he that's his biggest competition, right? If he finds his way on the team, Looks like a great possibility to be returning kickoffs and maybe even a jaded Taylor. Did that a little bit in college as well. And we can get the data Taylor here in a second and you did last year. Yeah, off of that, Zuber, train Nixon, Marvin Hall, even I know there's a lot of love left in Wilkerson. Ben Wilkerson out of that group. Who do you like? You know, these guys took over his sort of separated himself a little bit in minicamp, but Nixon's a rookie. So I don't know if we would have expected much out of Nixon, a seventh-round pick his first mini-camp and and really difficult to offense all these things. Right. I don't know if we really like that and he was hurt too. I think for for part of the spring so yeah I like Zuber and it goes beyond, you know, he was doing everything last year. It looked like he took everything but a polished receiver and he looks more polished this year which is big. But that's not even necessarily why I'm drawn to him. Making the team we talked about before. What do you do, right? If Johnny Smith gets home Who fills that role in Dalton Keen maybe but if don't you know if Dalton Keen if you don't keep him it's going to look a little different but we saw Isaiah super kind of used as that Gadget off last year, right? That, you know, motion snap, pop past scheme, open kind of guy, can he may be in some ways fill in what you were doing with John Drew Smith if you lose jonno. There's also the Special Teams ability there, he can put a little running back on third Downs. Like as a pass-catcher running back, line up in the backfield, we saw him do that in college. So he can do a ton, right and I think that, you know, is is Marvin Hall? Maybe more polished, traditional receiver. Yeah, probably is Christian Wilkins, more polished traditional receiver. Yeah probably. But you there's just so much that I say as Uber can do, I think he Altima guess they're not and I do like Tre Nixon. I think he is a future. He to me is a guy that they try to get on the practice, squad work with away, from game action for a year. And then when he comes back next year, kind of like we're doing with Isaiah Zoo birth. He wasn't realistically a guy last year, he needed polish. Now he has a year under his belt and he looks like a realistic option. I think Tre Nixon is essentially a year behind her as a, a zubrus. Want to give the breaking news. I want to give the breaking news. I I don't want to cut off cuz you were on a roll Wolfman. I was like trying to read it. Hang on. Can I do the siren? So I think this is seyran worthy. Breaking news was the breaking news. Is it an offense preview off course? Field Yates is blowing up this five and giving us a defense of topic to talk about. But as you can see here on the bottom of the screen breaking news right now, Patriots cornerback Stephon Gilmore has reported to the team for training camp per source. That is, you know, the 8th and you will be paying it just using on the p u p list after season-ending injury in twenties, so that quad injury glands them on the p u p list for now. That's really, we talked about this a little bit with the NFI guys off the show, Alex. That this is all kind of procedural at this point. There's no 6 days of training camps, we get Stephon Gilmore off the pup list. Also Stephon Gilmore has been around the block a few times in the Patriots defense, hope he starts for the few first, few practices on the p u p list, then who roam ultimately cares. But Stephon Gilmore has reported that basically means the whole dad's over, right? I mean, there's really no other. Once you report you're not holding out any well. So there's still the quotes are in all answered, not. But so I actually here, here's my grease with the rest of the p u p list. Oh, certain, there's some names on here. All right. Well, you're ready. Let's get to that in a second. Okay, I want to then you can read your list. I want to just briefly touch. I mean, do we feel we don't know right where we're we're guessing here. But do we feel this must mean that there has to be some sort of resolution with Gilmore coming, right? I mean, they would be something, I would think there's some sort of contract news following this. Yes, I think because the p u p list, apparently went out today with Reese, reporting It Off. I would assume that you know that that had it had to come out today if he's going to be on p. U p that means he plans on reporting. So they had to put that out there and I would think that there's contract news following in the near future, I agree as well. So we're probably going to here. We'll probably log off the show and feel the AIDS or report this to find Gilmore sign a new deal or something like that. And we'll have blown app, but spawn Gilmore's in the building. He has reported, we can read the p, u p. Listen, I thought the report date was Tuesday. It is Tuesday. I think that there is a hokie reported earlier, he's expected to report. I guess, I guess I was working. Okay, or whatever, way you want to put it. I mean I feel G H. I made it sound here like the like a bunch of the veterans reported today so long. So obviously there there's some early report daters or something like that. Let's read the pupae list, but great news on Stephon Gilmore obviously reporting and in the building. So that game Seems to be moving in a positive direction. Read the names on the people. Okay, so some guys who just talked about, I think there's alphabetical Byron Cowart, so that's not a total surprise. I think he missed time this spring right? Yep. Yep. More Terez Hall. Little bit of a surprise. And Kane. Not a surprise, Brandon King, not a surprise, Devon Smith practiced. So, that's out there a little bit and then these, These are where I said there's something here Jarrett Stidham in Chase winovich, we'll both open the season or open training camp on p u p. That's interesting. Yeah, that's not good for Statham. Who do you want to start with your show? Who do you want to start with? Okay, well, Chase winovich. First of all, we knew about that one. He was dealing with some things during minicamp that held him at a minicamp. He's been in the fox Ferrara, he's been training stadium and rehabbing at Gillette Stadium. I own expect him to be on the p. O p list for long. And this happens all the time with the Patriots, especially guys are start on the GOP list and then immediately after the first or second day of practice, They're removed from the pp list, right? So these things happen quickly, I don't expect Chase, winovich to be on the p. U p list for very long, the Jarrett Stidham, one is very very interesting because as long as far as we know, that was not an injury for him during minicamp, maybe it happened. So he got banged up in during training or something like that. I I don't know where that one is necessarily coming from having anything about that. And when you start to think about and start to do all the, as we do, do all the permutations and all the things that could possibly happen, all the predictions of Jantzen, and being on the the odd, man looking in that quarter back room is looking more and more like a possibility. I mean, I don't know, I don't think that we don't know this very to the injury, so we probably shouldn't stomp addicting. I are students and stuff like that, but it is really interesting to see him on p p. And that certainly not good for him because he needs all the Reps that he, you know, to kind of showcase himself. Well, look, we know what. Yep. How this works? You missed a couple of practices that can be it. If Brian water comes out hot, that's going to be that. I actually I'm working on right now for 98 five The Sports Hub., I top position, babbles to watch downside of macros Cam and the reason I'm calling it that and not top position battles to watch outside of quarterback is, there is one at quarterback that road guy. Is it going to be Saddam or they going to go with the younger guy? The upside, are they going to go with that door and Brian Hoyer and advance of Troy right now? Cuz he's on the field instead of isn't. And like you said, we don't know how long it's going to last but you figure, if they're putting them on there, he's going to miss at least one practice. It doesn't guarantee that I was trying to figure this out yesterday. It was Isaiah Wynn. Who wants came off p p in the first practice, rendering the whole thing irrelevant, right? But this is not good for system. We saw what happened last year when he he kind of faded in training camp and that was the other way around he started and then he got hurt. Now, he's starting off hurt, but not good for guy whose trying to make the team and not good for the patriots, who would at the very least like to develop some girl. Value for this guy, right? And what I started, kind of when I did my offensive preview, my written post on VSA when I started to kind of think about this, I said to myself will look Brian Hoyer. I got quick quick update on Gilmore Girls in Rappaport, no new contract but Gilmore is present in New England. He'll take his time returning from his injury. So is he not just not holding out I guess he just is this? Just it off. I guess he dropped the hold out. Maybe they have incredible. Maybe the, you know, in might be saying no new contract, right? This very second right, you know? I mean I figure but I will will see that. It's this Gilmore thing is really interesting. They obviously incentivize him somehow to, to report, right? They they obviously incentivize him somehow to come and and report to the team. I want to get back to Brian who you really quickly though because Jared students value is obviously I guess some some upside exists there and but rebirth. When you look at that third quarterback spot, is there more value? And I know that this might not be the case, but just presenting the question facilitating as felger would say. Is there more value and somebody that can mentor Mac Jones, somebody that can help both Matt Jones and Cam Newton. In that quarter back room from a studying perspective, A playbook perspective, an opponent film room perspective, and can run the scout team successfully while Matt Jones. Taking that sort of responsibility away from Max Jones cuz running scout team can be confusing for some guys right where you're going back and forth between terminologies and things like that. So, Brian Hoyer as a scout-team quarterback, and basically need to facto assistant quarterbacks coach, does that hold more value on the 53-man roster than Jared system, and obviously Jarrett Stidham could be traded for something, right. So you're really talking but lawyer and trade compensation for Jarrett Stidham or Jarrett Stidham. You know which one is going to end up being more valuable. And I guess this is a good transition to kind of talk into some of these quarterback situations as well that we wanted to get to. Yeah, I I mean I'm keeping lawyer and trading system in that case, I think, if you get down to your third quarterback, things have gone so wrong, you know, having the more immediately competitive guy, I don't know that super worried about that. At that point I write me. The guy who's going to make Mac Jones better in the long term. That's all I care about. I will sacrifice a game or two this year, if it means Mac Jones is a better player for the next eight to ten years. I think that has to be the mindset. There is no reason to be in win-now mode. If, if you're the Patriots at the quarterback position, give me Brian Hoyer and the draft capital. And we've talked about how valuable this draft picks are for next year. Give me Brian Hoyer in the draft Capital over, Jarrett Stidham. Yep. I guess it just matters what that draft capital is but I do really feel like that's an interesting element of this is that Brian Hoyer. Remember back in that 2018 season with the Los Angeles, Rams, Super Bowl all gushing the locker room did after that game on the defense about how great Brian Hoyer was on the scout team that we write emulating Jared Goff. And I also mentioned that sucks times. When you have a rookie first-round quarterback like mac, you don't want to flood his brain with another team's Playbook every single week, right? You don't want that forced him to run scout-team all on his own. So max to work with Josh McDaniels and the Patriots starting offense and and and work on the Patriots offense, all season long, assuming he's backing up cam for the time being and Bryant or he's just got to use a quarter back and you get something back in the trade for Jarrett Stidham. This all kind of is predicated on Jarrett Stidham, playing decently well in the preseason you know, cuz they're not going to do anything, they'll get a bag of football as if he plays like crap in the projects. Shooting games. So that that's going to be a big kind of part of this as well, but that I think we've talked a lot about Cam vs Mac. We did whole shows on that but that that quarterback spot because I do think that there is going to be a slight covid-19 all this to where they might want to carry three quarterbacks again. Yeah, in case, then pop up with that. I think beyond that you have to carry through Thursday. You said for the scout team, you don't want Mac Jones running the scout-team instead of working on his own game. Right? I agree. 200%. So that's the quarterback minute. Back to the wide receivers really quickly. We got a judge Jeffrey, flea touch on n'keal, Harry in his situation. So it sounds to me like the Patriots are going to at least Call Nikki Harris Bluff with this trade, demand. I I don't expect and kill Harry to get moved before training camp. I say that and of course they'll get moved tonight or something like that. But the expectation is not that going to that he will not get traded before training camp at least, on my end. And I sort of think that the Patriots are saying to kill Harry, this is much your fault as it is ours, you need to come in here and compete. You need to come here and play hard and do what we're telling you to do and work on your game. And don't, you know, don't blame this all on us. Right. You know, you're the first round Talent home, so I think that there is a little bit of a game of chicken going on here between the kill Harry, and the Patriots, I would agree with that. I I said it when we did the show today he requested the trade. I think that moving him before woke up is probably the better idea for everybody involved. He gets a fresh start but obviously you get somebody else. I just don't like the idea of having somebody in Camp who has no purpose being there and wage. Not all ninety, guys. Need to have a shot at the roster but you know you need for quarterbacks to make Camp go cuz you just need that many arms. You need you know, twelve thirteen offensive lineman to make Camp go home. They have enough wide receivers to operate, a normal training camp. They have guys who are competing for roster spots who they need to get a look at, if the Keels not a part of the plan, Let me, let me see. Isaiah's you were more. Let me see Trey next and more. Let me see. Christian, Wilkerson more. Let me see these guys and competitive reps who you actually have to make a decision on instead of n'keal Harry, who basically already has offered out the door and might be checked out mentally. So I, I don't think that's what they're going to do. I think you're right, I think they are going to have him in Camp and try to raise his trade value. But if it were me, he'd be gone, he'd be gone. You don't want to be here, you're not going to be here. Yeah, that that's, it's totally fair perspective. I come back to the trade value thing. I think, look, I don't want it to reporters horns, too much. But do you think writing about good camp, strong guys that had strong training camps and things like that? Does at least create a little bit of Buzz around the league about certain players. And then you also have a preseason games and I see well if n'keal Harry can get out there against some third and fourth string corners, and maybe Moss some people on a Thursday night preseason game. You never know what team good job. Bad tape and say, oh you know maybe we throw a fifth-round pick to the paper kill Harry is bumping that pick up from a 6 to a v worth the Reps. You're taking away from other players. I don't know that name is. I think you could just as simply bump that up by saying hey call it a conditional 7th and if he plays x amount of snaps it'll be a v. If he plays exit will be a v, I would rather if I'm the Patriots, take the risk, make it a conditional, pick in open up those Reps for other players. I think there's a way to move that pick up, like let let them evaluate him on their time, let the other team evaluate him at their camp out. Figure out if he can Moss these, third, and fourth street corners in their building and if you can't, yeah, you only end up with a seventh but if he's not doing it in your building, your only ending up with the 7th anyway. This way, you still have those Reps for all the other players wage tax is Dominic kill Harry. That's what he's saying. He he's watched his hands. I mean, it, it sucks. And I do think the Patriots I've talked about this, I think the Patriots to an extent are at fault for his lack of development, but I just thought, Oh, I believe that everybody should be in Camp for a purpose and I don't think potentially raising day. 3, draft stock is enough of a purpose to you may even roster spot on. I just don't believe that. Okay, so you got the top three guys Meyers born, a girl or Yes Federal chess key is obviously going to make the team as the fourth receiver V received whatever way you want to put on the desk jobs who is shipping to kill Harry is not here. Just really quickly give me a name. Zuber Nixon, Christian Wilkerson Marvin Hall. Who's the guy that gets V Spot? Nikhil can be here, I'm going with Subaru. I said before they announced it I thought they were going to try to move him. I I think it's Uber, I think is special teams ability. I think his, you know, kind of wild card offensive, ability with the jet sweeps and stuff like that. There's too much versatility that much explosiveness. You mentioned. They are kind of a slower offense. He definitely adds some speed. I think it's Uber. I'm not going to sleep on Wilkerson. He's kind of my, my, you know, sleeper pick for that spot. But yep. I add super on my initial roster projection so far. Nothing has changed. I'm riding with them. I hate when I agree with you so much. Yeah, Zuber. I agree with that, fits pot. I love the versatility, like you said, the kick return ability. I think last year, they kind of struggled to find a a guy that could be a real Dynamic kick returner back there. They added Dynamic punt returner who didn't really work out as much as a kick returner and Zuber, which he did very, very well in college. I can take some kicks back, then, that really does add a little bit. I the role that you look at, is that Cordarrelle Patterson role from a few years ago, right? Jet sweeps Club around, Gadget plays kick return ability. You know, if he can be sort of a Cordarrelle Patterson light, then that's that's a nice fine. As a, fifth receiver and the other thing with mikeal is if your June 4th of the fifth receiver and you're not playing in the kicking game, then you you have to almost think you can game. You're not going to be the fourth and fifth Receiver, right? Like no, you're right, receiver 4 or 5 and you can't contribute on Thursday. Actual teams. Then you have going to be that player. Now, to be fair, he did return kicks in college, good and and we talked about this when they drafted him, and it never really came to fruition. If he is going to stay off and he does want to make the team we talked about, you know, the potential kick returners earlier Zuber Gunner, JJ Taylor. They let Kyle Tucker returned some kicks last year. He was okay. I don't think they'll have him do it again, but he could, I think Nico has to factor into that conversation as well. Okay, let's talk about running backs. We we've talked about Damien Harris, a little bit, we talked about Sony a little bit. Well, I have a quick Spiel on that wage, okay, cuz I get asked and I'm sure you do to all the time. Who is our be one? Who is the patron, running back one. Yeah, let's do a quick. Definition on what are be, one means for the Patriots in the Patriots offense, wage fantasy, football nonsense, the Patriots have not had a running back. Play over fifty percent of their snaps since LeGarrette last year. That would be 2016, right? Will be twice, 6. 2016 has a guy going over. 40% of the Staffing. Was James, White twice. What are be one? Really means. It has nothing to do with playing time cuz they're going to split things pretty evenly. I believe between Sony Michelle and Damien Harris. Assuming they stay healthy are be one is more situational term than it is. A usage term third and one in the fourth quarter who gets the ball up, three points. Drive to run out the clock. Who gets the early down back role as well. There's going to be early down, but in terms of who's the starter, who's the main guy? Don't look at snap. Count will get leverage. One guy may play more but he may play Just low leverage situations again and one to go back down late in games who's on the field in those situations. That's your rb1. And also, I just want to add, I also see a lot out there in the fantasy football crowd, mostly the talking about how damaging is going to dominate the back of Rush attempts in New England. And he's going to be the clear-cut as you call it. Our be one, I don't feel that way. I still feel like they're going to use Sony, Michelle birth. I don't know if it's going to how much he's going to kind of cut into Damien. Harris is rushing attempts, but Sony, Michelle last year when Damien Harris kind of pushed him a little bit and push the envelope had a very, very productive season. Sony Michelle average 5.7 yards-per-carry last year. Now, a lot of that has to do with offensive line with Cam Newton's running, through all these types of things, right? And it's a smaller samples across Kerry's or something like that. But the main point I'm making here is that I still think that Damon Harrison Sony Michelle are going to be in somewhat of a committee. Now, it might be a 75:25 committee that are 60/40 Committee in favor of Damien Harris, but I I think that Sony Michelle is going to touch the ball, plenty out of that backfield and it is not going to be just a full-on Damien, Harris, show as some people thrown not there. Because when Bill Belichick has to capable early down backs, he typically uses to capable early down backs, it's only when they've really been forced to only. Yep. One guy because they don't have anybody else behind that guy, LeGarrette Blount Eric or Dylan or or someone like that has dominated the carries and those instances. But when they have two guys, they typically use both God, right? They've typically spread the wealth around a little late. All right, yesterday rhamondre Stevenson placed on the non-football injury list, he's been dealing with some nagging injuries and things like that. I am less concerned about his health and all that kind of stuff more wondering. I think this is the big question. Everybody was asking book, probably both of us. Alex yesterday, when this news came out was, is this just a prerequisite off? Mind, Ray Stevenson being that. Redshirt rookie running back over so accustomed to see. Probably probably, again, they never truly replaced Rex Burkhead and Stevenson is, you know, for all the constant LeGarrette Blount, he actually might be closer to Rex Burkhead in terms of what he can do. He's excellent in the passing game especially as a blocker, which is similar that Berg had succeeded wage So, you know if you want a one-for-one swap with burkett's roll Stevenson May makes sense. But there is that, that rookie situation, it does look like it's going to be a red shirt year and you know between JJ Taylor and emboldened because people forget, Brandon bolden's like sneaky go in the passing game. Yeah. Everybody remembers the real wheel route against Denver. I know Murph remembers. If he's still watching but her listening but between you guys, you can kind of feel with Burkett did it's just an extra guy, you gotta keep on the roster even though like both those guys are probably going to make the team anyway. So yeah, I think this is, you know, the beginning of hey here's Rodger Stevenson. All right. You'll see me get in 2022 so I I kind of feel the same way. Unfortunately, as much as I like with your mother, I keep cutting you off real quick. Hip not playing this year. Does not make him a bad player. Yes, I went through that. Pretty ass with Damien. Harris, two years ago, I'm not doing this again, him, not playing does not make him a bad. Pic does not make him a bad player. This is how they do business, do not bother me with this craft this year. Okay. We will see if he was a good picture, not dead. In two years, when he actually plays the whole thing cuz I was a big Damien Harris guy and it was oh he's a boss. You can't even get on the field where they waste another pickup back is pretty darn good. James Whitehead 14 touches as a rookie freaking relax, with the rookie running backs before you write them off. We've seen this happen, a million times. There is hard evidence that this way they do business, whether you agree or not, that it's the right choice, that's a discussion. We can have I personally like that, they do it, but if you're against it, that's fine. That's another discussion a running back, not playing as a rookie does not mean he sucks. All right, I'm done. No one. Even got you going, you just got yourself going. I probably going last year and it came back up. Okay? With reminders Stevenson real fast, as soon as he starts missing practices, that's when you know that this is all a prerequisite for him to get redshirted, right? Because if he misses a week or if he misses more than a week of training camp, forget about it, right? Just forget about it, they're not dead. Throw a rookie running back out there that missed the first two weeks or three weeks of Camp. It's just, it's not going to happen. So I definitely think that this is could be, but I have not ready to say it is yet until he truly starts missing Camp practices and we get out there next Wednesday. Next Thursday, then and he's not out there. Then I'm going to start to say, okay, well this is probably your typical red shirt off JJ Taylor, does he cut in the James White snaps? I think everybody really likes JJ Taylor. And he's like one of the like the walking a lot to like about him, the coaching staff, really like system is really. I've been fears is always extremely high on him. I think the one element he does bring a little bit of juice, a pretty good explosiveness. And the one element that maybe he has a little bit more of right now, because of his age and and that explosiveness compared to James White is the ability to vertically, get up the field. You know, we saw him right minicamp, get targeted, deep down the field, quite a bit, you know, we go wrong. Flex them out wide and have them run a double move. Things of that nature. It is a little bit, you have to be accurate cuz he is, he is Tiny, right? So he doesn't have a large catch radius per se, but he does have that ability to get behind the defense a little bit where maybe some of their running backs. The especially the bigger bats aren't going to have that element to them. So I which tricky with Taylor is in this gets lost a lot when we talk about respecting backs, right? As important as it is to run routes and catch the ball and and that's all important. You gotta be able to block. Yeah, cuz about half the time, you're going to be staying in and pass protection in these situations and Taylor is boosted listed at $5.85, and, you know what happens when JJ Watt, they're not playing the Cardinals here, whoever? Right comes flying around the edge and Taylor's got to pick them up on one in chip of now, I'm not saying you can't do it. Darren Sproles was a pretty good blocker and Darren Sproles was not a big guy but he didn't, you know, it wasn't a strength of Taylor's in college, we didn't really see one way. The other him do it much last year. So this is where, again, we go back to that, Redshirt season with the rookie running backs, you think one of the things they worked on with him last year, will he wasn't playing with his ability to pass protect off? So if he's progressed in that in, in that ability and we see that in training camp, then all of a sudden we start talking about, okay? Here's the 141 swap with Rex Burkhead, you're going to plug this burkhammer. Good walker to you in a plug them in. He can run the ball, then there's a traditional set. You can catch the ball, he can pass-block, boom, you're golden, if pass-blocking still an issue, then, you know, can he cut into James White snaps, maybe a little bit wage, but in against Blitz, heavy teams, you might have to use white, you might have to use Damien Harris, you might have to use Brandon Bolden somebody who's going to hold up a little bit better pass-blocking. So if you know, if you're looking at JJ Taylor and what's his role going to be home and is he going to make the team? If you're following camp and those are your questions you want to look at Jay, Jay Taylor as a pass-blocker because that that's what's going to come down to him having maybe a minor role in the offense vs him playing the more significant. Yeah, I agree. And as much as he can be really productive as a receiver, really flashy as a receiver and dynamic, you know, be a threat right out. They're both out of the back of. And like I said is, is even last year. There was a wonder. I think that they did connect on it but he did run a double move and he'd be the guy. He did run a double move in minicamp. I remember and he got behind the Defence again. He has that element to home game. He has a a nice purse to him when he runs the football. But like you said, it's going to be all those elements is going to be able to pick up a blitz. Is he going to know? Not only physically, be able to pick up a blitz, but know where he's supposed to suck when when he is. And but stick up because the Patriots as a as an offense, as in terms of schematically, they really are a dual read system. And what not to read system means is that the running back can be 2412 a lot of the time. And he is going to have to pick where he who is going to block based off of who's the nearest threat where the what? Yep. They're kind of blocking scheme and what everybody else is sort of doing on a given play, it is not easy to block and pass protect in The Patriot system because of the complexities, in which they sort of do it, and there's some reasons for why they do that, but they don't read system is confusing for young players. That's why a lot of these guys don't get on the field and pass protection and because of those issues. So, it's definitely going to be the number one thing for JJ Taylor. I use it a dynamic player. I also want, you know, we mentioned earlier in the show, but he has that ability to return kickoffs. I think that's going to be a little bit of a factor here as well, where you might be able to see him have a role returning, kickoffs spoke to James White, a little bit and low leverage situations, and maybe he does see a little bit more playing time this season. And we gotta talk at least five minutes about the offensive line. May I keep on trying to come up with things to talk about with the offensive line and it's just it's good, right? I mean it's a good group. There are obviously some injury concerns with the tackles mainly might go on when you move. Sides and guard. We could discuss the Beyond kind of the top three for going to assume on when is the top back up. Justin Herron will Sherman Korey Cunningham kind of Johnny cuz he's afraid he's going to be a good person. He's five minutes to get you. Tell us what's going on with the odd Naked Juice. Yeah, I'm Naked. Juice is alive. He is actually going to be out there. He is going to participate is not on. Is this the first time? He hasn't been on p. U p. He's a hundred percent healthy. He is going to be out there. I it's unbelievable, right? He is actually going to participate in a real Patriots practice on Wednesday. I real training camp practice and also would there still a week ago? I'm smiling. I love it. I can't wait to see y'all. Naked Juice out there. What if y'all need to just missing a voice yelled? Oh, I know, so I gotta move on. Yeah. What if you're Naked Juice actually ends up being something else? He has a ton of talent, he was always hurt. It's a big concern, but what if he actually ends up being something? What a career that would be right. Like what a story that would be if he actually ended up working out. Well, he I mean, he had offside and you know, right? If you want to play this game, if he has a great Camp, then we can start talking about potentially moving as a a win again, right? He'll he says that, that, that rookie option year but two years left on his deal, you know, if you can get you can probably get some pretty good for him or maybe your trade. Could you stand? You get something for him. Cuz they're going to need at least one tackle box or potentially to their, you need a corner. You do need to start acquiring draft Capital, if you're the Patriots and Johnny can choose could be a way to do that if he shows up and plays which we'll see. We'll see. There's a lot of time between now and next Wednesday. So you never know. Yanni's stay safe, all right, just a saved stay well, get yourself out there because they're dead. Potential there. And when you watch them at West, Virginia protecting will Grier and and on the left side, playing left tackle, he looked and had the tape of a starting left tackle. There's a lot of scouts at that time. Say hey, this guy probably would have been a Top, fifty top 75 pick, if it wasn't for all of the injuries, right, there is real starter potential here. When you just look at Raw ability and you look at tape. So I took them off just yet. He's back, he is healthy. He's going to be out there and he has ability. So I'm excited to looking forward to that as well. Are you at all worried about the tackled? I do because Isaiah Wynn has his injury issues. Trent Brown didn't exactly stay healthy with the Raiders for a full sixteen games. Either we talked about the situation where Ted Karras comes into the starting lineup on when you can kick back outside to the right side and the beat goes on and all that kind of stuff. But beyond that you have Cunningham. I'm Sherman. You have Justin her on who I think. Yep. Hi on. Yeah, so maybe her on ends up being sort of the four tackle and in the wild card is cajuste. I I think Iran is you know a borderline starting NFL tackle right now I think he he can play Both Sides which is super helpful. I use this comp all the time. Adrian waddle a guy that you know if you go into the city a lot of the same issues as later and waddle to play strength I think is a big one from him and just in terms of having that sturdy outside hand right you don't want to let guys run through that outside hand as easily as he did at times during in terms of pass protection. It's, it's kind of weird because her arm was a much better pass protector in college and not a very good run-blocker. And then once he got to the NFL last season, it completely flipped, he was a very good run-blocker last year and struggled in pass-pro. He was dead, he was playing mostly on the right side in college, right? He played left tackle his last year, okay? Outside handle was a big one, right? Sturdier hand. He also tend to have a little bit of a false dead Hang out of his stance. And when you follow step as a tackle, obviously that's problematic, and it makes it a lot easier to get the corner on you and and that can be a problem. So those are all things though that Carmen Brown LOE and inco, Popovich can work out of them, right? You know, those are technical issues. The strange thing though is, is kind of on him, right? He's gotta go in the weight room. He's gotta add to his core and being a bit stronger and not get bulrushes, easily, not give up that outside hand as easily. Yeah, but again I, you know, he's a guy where do you go into the season? With him, as you're starting tackle, it's a little if he took them as a third guy who you need to make four or five stars, I think that's a good role for him. Again, I'm high on him and I I like Sherman, I do I think there's some Intrigue there, he's a potential 5 position player on the offensive line that's incredibly rare. I liked enough of what I saw from him at Colorado that if he's the 4th tackle if we're just going to count on when to Asgard that I think they'll be all right. I'm really not too worried. Anything wage. Twice on the offensive line. I think between Ted Karras Michael and Linda Williams Sherman, the versatility of those three guys there in very good shape of front. Let's just, let's still clap for Dante scarnecchia because not only does he does, he lay the foundation for how they coach offensive, lineman and how they drill offensive lineman, he still heavily involved in The Scouting. He's still has a heavy hand and how they Scout offensive. Amini, kind of wrote the book on how they're going to scout offensive lineman and what that reboots, they are going to look for and stuff and they just keep on turning these guys suck, right? Are they, can the Patriots can't miss on day three. It feels like, you know, even dust in Iran is a solid backup offensive. Lineman in the NFL right? You know you might not be a starter but as a six-round pigs, get a guy that can be a third or a swing tackle, that's pretty darn good. I've said this before, I didn't think this was the conversation going to have today when we talked about a marshall Newhouse, right in in New Jersey Dean and how much of a problem he was the reason that they had that issue was because they have a Adrian waddle and they let him go and tackles got hurt and had to scramble. That's an incredibly valuable player that third swing tackle. And if her again, filled that role, it prevents you from having to plug in a guy, like a marshall Newhouse. So, yeah. I certainly encourage him. All right. Well, do you think we were going to talk about Marshall Newhouse today? I did not, I did not think we were going to go down this road, but I, I am still just jubilant about yodny, cajuste not being on the p, u p list and finally, getting out there for us to see, cuz I was, I was such a big confused guy in the draft. I was so glad when they drafted him. I you remember, we were live on the air together, when they, when they drafted him and I was given the fist pump, right? Like butchered is named where you trying to say, Yadi cajuste? Yeah, I didn't know who you're talking about cuz you butchered the name so bad. Well they had him and him and yelled and went back to back, right? Yes it is trying to torture me. Yeah it was tough but yeah. Yep. I really am. Glad I forgot me. Could, you said he's going to get back out there? Sorry, we went a little bit longer. I should say. Sorry, I'm sure you guys seem like you guys enjoyed it fit enough, but we went a little bit long because of the page news, there was to find Gilmore in the p. U p guys. Alex and I will be back on the show on Tuesday training camp. Eve episode, we'll do some more preview stuff will talk about what we hear from The Players Club and Patriots. Head coach, Bill, Belichick, on Tuesday, Tuesday, to Ortho cable. I believe we're going to get like Devin McCourty of the city Batman right now. Probably some of the captains am I am? I am pumped. I mean we're still got a couple more days here to recharge and get ready but we are all extremely pumped up for this. And we're going to have you covered all training camp long here on page speed and we're going to take you through all season long really on Patriot speed. So it's going to be a great time. Like I said, we're going to do as many shows as we physically possibly can log Training camp to keep you guys updated on what's going on out there at Pat's Camp. Hopefully, we'll see something you guys at Pat's Camp as well. If you guys are out there, then I come holler at us and come, say hello, and I will be happy to see the fans back out there and it just it will have a much more juice this time around. But again, Alex and I will be back on the show on Tuesday night, but probably take some questions will do some preview stuff that we didn't get too cuz these ran a little bit longer than what we were expecting. So, we'll see you on Tuesday night. Thank you so much for watching tonight, guys, and we'll see you next week. Next week. Get pumped, everyone.

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This or That: Dynasty Edition + Buy or Sell, Reactions!

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This or That: Dynasty Edition + Buy or Sell, Reactions!

"Well to the fantasy footballers podcast and coming coming to you from Pristina. OPTION DOT com studios with your hose. Indie Holloway Jason Moore and Mike Right Command. Well we're musical Tuesday January Seventh Twenty Twenty Ninety starring Barbara Walters in Hugh Down Bom. We were all thinking. And then Jason did it Taylor. My injury apparently black shirt day today. Did you notice this fantastic sleeping. That just tells you exactly what you need to know about the dietary choices that have been made in twenty twenty. Because I went to lunch with Mike yesterday. Jason you've been Outta town. Mike and I didn't do any favors favors to ourselves to our afternoon. And then we received boxes of Goo Goo clusters from one of our foot clan supporters. Chris how and why had had to remember what those taste like. And then we turned into Google cluster. Oh and then we wore black shirts and everything's fine. You can't tell yeah Jason Welcome back into town You didn't miss anything here on the PODCAST. That's right that's right did. Did you did venture to New York and you took children to New York and then as there's bold and you paid money to do that so paid and we had a blast. Also musicals. Musicals went to some museums We heard about the museums. Yeah we heard it. You're not liking the greatest museum in the country. The Moore's are not not museum people. You just walk around you. Look Oh look at that thing. Look at that on the wall button. I like your your approach is over here. We're or just were not museum that saying very strong things about your family. Yeah and I'm proud of it. I'm happy can't read now now in fairness we we went to the nine eleven memorial museum. That was unbelievable. That was all right. That was moving and and in beyond interactive in how you go through so look museums. Step up your game. That's what I'm saying he did tweet about it. we've got a good show today. We've got a dynasty addition of this or that should be fun to talk about the futures of many fantasy football players today. Okay we'll get into some news we got buy or sell on the show today. A reminder couple things a couple of things number one blackshirts are slimming. So if if you've had a rough Christmas just put on a black shirt number to our show schedule just a reminder. Our show comes out from January January through June. It's Tuesday and Thursday Tuesday Thursday. We also have a bonus episode if your bonus if you're a member over at joined the foot dot calm the off season episodes are a lot of fun and we. There's an extra one that comes out over there and we've got the spitballs podcasts. Comedy podcast comes out on Monday so you can check that out as well but yeah we're twice a week right now. We're up to three a week in July. There were five a week regular season schedule from August through December. Let's talk about that. No no right now I love it. I love that this season but I'm I'm not ready to do it again yet. I need to recharge the batteries. Yeah yeah I I think we're all we're all trying to do that. But today will be a great episode. You can find us with Google's charge. Yes I've heard is a great great energy source. They say calories or release energy. Well I believe Mike When we were at lunch and you decided hey do you want to get a Zouqi? Yeah Yeah you're like. Hey you hiked yesterday morning and so I'm just picture myself. You know someting mountains but like with Google classrooms in the backpack to just refresh at the top of the mountain. Just melt them down and put them in a camelback. Oh yeah the marshmallow is not coming through very well. All right We're moving on. Let's let's get into some buyers buy or excel presented by pristine action all right. We have a buyer sell debate of sorts. I guess we'll see see if it's debate. If we all agree one way or the other by yourself at Miles Sanders Will be a top twelve running back in twenty twenty twenty so mile sanders took over the starting role in week. Eleven finished the season in half-point point. Perception Leagues is RB Fifteen. He had weeks week thirteen. He was the sixth running. The overall running back fifteen the third week sixteen the seventh A strong finish to the year won't require off season surgery for the injuries that he suffered recently from week eleven on when he was the starter he was the runningback seven so we we know for sure that he can Deliver a top twelve type hype of performance. The question is will he be given that opportunity next year because this year it took obviously a lot of injuries injuries early everywhere for the eagles primarily it was Jordan Howard. That was the first you know rung on the ladder. And then all the wide receivers started going digests. This is the first sure. But I'm saying yeah point. In the season the first thing that propelled Mile Sanders to relevant guy got Jordan Howard going down and then if you look at the second half of the year the amount of targets to the running back position that the eagles between bosses Scott Mile Sanders became necessary because they had no water super weapon so the real question is they've they've clearly seen that they've got something special here if you didn't pay attention the the last part of the year miles sanders. Anders was excellent. Ray Like I think people would be surprised if you didn't have miles sanders to know. He was the running back fifteen on the season gays. The the fifty third overall pick in last year's draft we know the talent coming out of Penn state but the question has been I think the line the top twelve line. That seems like the right number to me like that. I'm really on the fence here on buying or selling him as a top twelve running back. I'm going to sell it. I think he will not quite be there next year. I think some of it goes to what Jason is talking about. Opportunity presented itself at the end of the year to propel him so high I think he's going to be right on that razor's edge but here here's what I know before for this season. Doug Peterson believed in the you know. He acknowledged the reality. That injuries happen. Massively and you need depth this is why this backfield has always looked comical with corey. Clement Darren sproles Jordan Howard. Jj they draft Mile Sanders after they signed Jordan. Howard I think Jordan Jordan I think miles centers is an incredible talent? But I believe that Doug Peterson. Fundamentally believes in great depth and if you combine the return of wide receivers there's with great depth. I think he's GonNa be right on the outside looking in that top twelve and as a dynasty owner of miles sanders. I'd much rather buy it but I'M GONNA cell I right now. I'M GONNA buy. He was talking about running back. Fifteen is about fifteen points off of that. Top Twelve Area Alvin. Kamara was the running back twelve on the year. But what's interesting is I mean how little he actually had the workload at the end of the year where he was really cranking up the number fifty receptions. That's where it's GONNA come down. That's that's awesome is when he was not really the full-time guy until the last quarter order of the season and then on top of that only three rushing touchdowns so running back fifteen. He had three receiving touchdowns as well. But only the three rushing touchdowns which is the primary guy that easily goes up. I mean Jordan Howard was a was a rushing touchdown machine to start out the year so so I will by. I will buy that. He could be a top twelve guy. I think it will still be a committee but I wouldn't surprise me if that committee heading into the year is it's like it's Sanders in Boston sky. Yeah I agree with what Andy said earlier. This line of saying top twelve is perfect. Yeah went and I looked at okay. Who Top twelve running backs? What does that take what you know? How many carries do top twelve running backs get it pretty much across the board you need? You need two hundred plus carries. He's with unless you are Austin Eker with one hundred thirty to get into my head though the low line as the template for top twelve well for miles sanders. The passing game work. Yeah I just don't I mean Austin accolade was a hundred eight targets that you know third. That's not happening for Mile Sanders Sanders. I'm going to sell here because what I care about is the start of the season next year. Now for dynasty purposes Ervices long-term. I think he's a very solid back. He's young he's talented. I I liked the eagles offense I like Carson Wentz and a healthy crew around him to be a top half offense. I'm I'm Pro Mile Sanders but I do believe that they will have another back there. I think Boston Scott played his way way into a relevant role. A lot that Darren sproles role and I think it'll be too much of a committee for me to project him. As a top twelve back but the touchdown argument the Mike brings up is a really solid one. 'cause Jordan Howard was a touchdown machine and that brings to mind like who they signed matters like they're going to. It's not going to be like I. I'm sure you weren't inferring. Just those two like there's going to be more pieces the Backfield Maya Sanders in this extended improved workload over the back of the year. Got Her twice like two different times so it just validates this thing. That Doug Peterson reiterated. Before that it's a you know. It's a grueling position. You know his quote. I believe the National Football League season is a grueling grinding season particularly on running backs. If you don't have a couple of guys you can hang your hat on. It's hard to get the season. And if you bring in a guy that's GonNa take the goal line that says a lot you know that changes the projection to me if they were to say re-sign Jordan Howard now that he. He had his injury that his free market might not be that hot. Maybe they're able to resign him. We've seen him play that touchdown role in this offense. I would expect that continue. Yeah it'll be. It'll be very interesting going next year to see what they do at the running back position. They obviously drafted him with high draft stock. So it means a lot all right by the way by Oursel buy or sell brought to you by Cristine auction if you don't know what pearlstine auction is. It's a sports memorabilia website where you can bid on an get great great deals on hundreds of awesome sports memorabilia auctions each and every day and they've upped their game if you go to Pristina auction dot com you you register with the Code ballers they're giving you a ten dollar credit. That's that's so cool because we we talk about all the time like hey this we just got this Jersey for fifty five dollars ten dollars off that. Yeah so you can always in every today the auctions turnover and there are different sports. Memorabilia deals in every day in. This studio brooks aren't fearless producer. He's always putting New Jersey's up on the while. Aw Kyle Rudolph great friend of the show. I didn't even know we covered his intro. You don't get that chance a lot. That's why he's on the wall playoff game winner he had the most Emphatic exciting interim member that coward off. And you're listening. To the fantasy she put ballers podcast. That's how he celebrated that's touchdown you're right. He's Ed I'm kyle. Rudolph I go to football touchdown. Oh yeah actually was juiced up when they talk to him after the game was over. Yeah they kept asking him if the play was drawn up for him him and he was dodging it like it was like. Are you going to be back next year question. It was like just say yesterday was drawn up for you kyle. It's about the team. It's about the team. I'm like you lined up on a five foot Williams over there it was drawn up for you. Take credit all right you can check that out pristine action DOT COM. Let's Talk News News and notes from around the League man so this weekend. They played some playoff football. Oh Man and incredible Games Buffalo Houston Houston one in overtime. Tennessee Tennessee New England. The the dynasty is it over. Tennessee wins the game. I can answer that for you know. Oh really oh it dynasties not over all of it is because whatever you say about the Patriots is the opposite it well. I did have Tennessee winning this game. So Hashtag Notre Okay Fair enough MINNESOTA NEW ORLEANS OVERTIME Game Minnesota Kyle Rudolph on top twenty six twenty. which was a shocker? Yeah and then Seattle Philadelphia via Mike and I are talking about this yesterday. Seattle wins the game seventeen to nine Carson. wentz goes out after four passes and yet Seattle hangs on by one score score so I you know who knows what happens. If Carson Wentz is healthy for this game or what the future holds for Seattle but I managed gentlemen to go. They said it couldn't be said it couldn't be done. They said it shouldn't be done. We feel that our brackets last week. I mentioned it on the show I managed to go over for this week. Well done John I had done. I had Buffalo New England New Orleans and Philadelphia winning this weekend for those like. That's pathetic going for is equally as hard going forward. Oh it's an impressive now to your defense two of these overtime games and then Carson got knocked out of the other one LICEU. I mean these these were these. Were really hard. Aren't Tennessee. New England was fourteen thirteen. I know that you know that game was narrow. That being said my brackets in better shape than both both guys is brackets. My Super Bowl champion saints. Yeah I have stupid will lutts make the field. You'll be quiet SCO. Oh baby let's go. I have none of these teams that won moving on so a divisional or my conference championships are intact but yeah that was. That was impressive. After I went over to on the first day I was telling these guys. I'm like yeah I can do it. Guys so Santo for four Saturday for me was just in the range of emotions that I went through on that day were unhealthy too. I can't believe leave. How into this Buffalo? Houston game you were. You said you were full on like oh every time I have. I have completely turned on buff like they earn my respect over the course of the season I was in i Wanna Dan Day. were up sixty two nothing nothing and then the team just farted did everywhere like they couldn't stop anal leakage happened. Oh because it you are up sixteen nothing and and then just went full turtle that kept giving the ball to Frank Gore. That's what you couldn't handle the wasting opportunities. I frank good run. Great great also so at eight runs of of two or fewer yards. which would destroying your team metairie looked great? He looked fantastic and then they went like this Edano. I turned on the entire team. So I hate to Sean McDermott. I hate you again you are I. He did turn all the way I mean. Sailing managed to lose thirty yards into replace you. Oh goodness unbelievable yeah. It was poorly coast. Poorly handled was absolutely furious after wanting them to win. I'm telling you this this is why Having the home game in the playoffs matters right before this game. Well no superpowers of Deshaun Watson where to do. NFL players hit him at the same time. I've seen that split a man in half but industry on what's Chai when I was out of it and when I was watching that play I almost shielded my eyes is for what was about to happen Watson. I don't remember a sack there. was that hard a guy full sprint. And another guy on the other side sandwich him. And then it wasn't wasn't a sack he goes throws the ball. It was crazy. Yeah unbelievable but then I got to recover from that because I had I had trolled the Patriot. Fans with a Tom Brady's own tweet. If I'd I don't know if I had seen it where we're Tom Brady tweeted. The it was a very inspirational video. The lion video were raw. We're GONNA win and I tweeted. How embarrassing it will be to lose the Ryan Tannehill and it? It caught a little bit the virology so like people who don't follow me or the show or showing up the Patriot fans you doing down. They make you You're dumb they're going to win the Patriots and then they lost and I got to go back to every single one of their tweets. So my very petty Eddie Saturday. It's what I learned was unbelievable because everyone who is not a patriots fan. who was following that thread there with you? They will. They were with me me till the end. Everyone was having a great time except for Patriot. Fans you've had a great time for a while Patriot fans so let's turn this to fantasy for a second though because when you think about New England and we got a dynasty this or that on the show today I tell me whether you think Brady's back and then second tell me how you evaluate like you know valuable valuable pieces and the patriots offense Ataman Hairy White Michelle you know. How do you think about these players moving forward Ford? I think that's you know anytime you go into the off season. You're thinking about the draft you're thinking about keepers. You're looking at stability right now. You don't have that because stability. He just means Brady comes back on. An offense struggled over the back half of the year or he doesn't come back. So how are you even thinking about the Patriots offense for fantasy purposes. Yeah I I mean I. I believe Tom Brady will be back. He doesn't seem like he's going to retire I think he'll be in the NFL and he'll almost certainly than be a patriot If he's back though I mean you can't trust any of the weapons right now. Brady didn't look special this season. He looked like an older quarterback who knows the game. Get him well. Because that's what he is at this point in his career and join element going into next year if he's back and the wide receiving core is somewhat. What the same? I'll be in on him to start the year whether he'll be able to hold up or not as completely legitimate question. But I don't think you can trust any of the running backs in the running. It's just too you difficult to know what they're gonNA do. James White maybe if you want that somewhat mediocre somewhat successful week in week out play. What about Harry? Nikiel Harry Sturdy. Mitzi started getting more more work as the I'm not going to be in that stinks. Yeah I think that that's the the big question. Mark is hairy and his potentials a first round. Pick these great. I think he's a but I just don't know that it's going to. I think Harry is going to be okay. I think he's GonNa be okay because I don't I don't really really trust or believe elements future is very secure. We already dealing with the player. You know we'll go down with injury Or play through it you know. He did both of those things this year. Each and every year he was a dominant. First Half Guy. You GotTa imagine a Healthy Julian Edelman and Tom Brady score more than thirteen eighteen points against the titans on at home that you know or can overcome Miami and never have to play the titans in this match up. So the Ryan's took care career business. Yeah Oh gosh yes. They Brady went down to fitzpatrick. And Tannahill wile dewey seventy six passing yards but Harry projects to be the one in that offense for the first time to come is the way I look at it. So it's GonNa be interesting so when you look at him and you look at decay. Metcalf I mean how. How do you evaluate moving forward right now? Obviously that gets the nod. He's got a stable quarterback shares. The field with Tyler Lockett low passing volume. I think Harry is going to be okay. Like in a dynasty elite today. Would you rather have ATALNTA would rather have Harry in a draft hearing. Yeah every so. It'll be interesting to see if Brady comes back. And then how we project those players out Couple of other things. I wanted to talk about coaching news. Wise Jason Garrett was fired in the most bizarre fashion Russian of all time where he was it was reported he was fired then he wasn't fired but they are already interviewing new head. Coaching Ching but Gareth had not accepted his. nope not fired. Call the squatters right. You're like a non-confrontational. Go Dude Right. Yes and this came across like a non-confrontational situation where eventually they they like. Mirrored Garrett's office in one of those like pods and then once he got in and they just drove it away. They didn't actually tell him he's fired. He just opened the pod later on and he was in the middle of all Foreign New Jersey busy if he does New York. Yeah if he doesn't get the giants job. I fully expect him to show up back back back down just as work free of charge charge of full. You know stapler situation. Is this all Mike McCarthy's a new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Cool night keep Kellyn more around. But that wouldn't really be in a playcalling capacity if he did because McCarthy calls the plays and he's most certainly one is gonNA GONNA WANNA staple on this team to begin so we shall see there wasn't inter- an article going around how McCarthy he got the job because he allegedly you spent the offseason really really diving into the new trends of the. NFL is wrong. That I feel like that's like my grandpa going to the IPAD class action. I just I just don't know how much you can pull a slide show. Have you seen my apple. Watch barely got the job. That's how we got. I'm very hip with Jerry. Let me take my heart rate on. Say I'm sorry. What play should I call Mike in our trying? We're sitting around trying to figure out like there. There are many cases where the second go round has worked out for head coaches like bill. Belichick going from Cleveland you know Pete Carroll from New York to Seattle but those have all been in those situations where you know short runs in the first place land in the second place. Find A quarterback. Get it done. Look to see you had a quarterback in Green Bay all year. You had a good one and you had a really long run and these double situations where you move on you know. They have great team. Like if I'm Mike McCarthy this is the one I want I mean I want to go to Dallas be handed the keys to elite talent across the board on all your offense of mind. They got some contractual situation waist to figure out here. Here's money yeah the they'll they will pay everyone and everyone will stay that. Genuinely like I think Cooper will be there will be there. Zeke Zeke will be there Gallup will be ev ev. They're all going to get paid somehow. That's what happens in the NFL. They work their magic and move money around. And then somehow have the money to pay. I think Mike McCarthy is GonNa do well here I think this is great. News for Ezekiel Elliott. This isn't a team you know he's going to use him I'm a lot and even though he's trying to be new school you know he's he's the I think the centerpiece of this offense and I I actually think Mike McCarthy is not a bad hire like he gets so much blame for the end of the run with the packers you talking about the now thirteen seen in three number number two seed Green Bay packers but he gets none of the credit for all of the good years with the packers. Right it's is all Aaron. Rodgers is why they were good. And it's all Mike McCarthy why they were bad but that just doesn't seem fair this probably not. Yeah it's probably not fun McCarthy. He he get stabilized things for a while but I feel like that's literally Jason's best features stabilization I. I we'll see how it goes. I think the hard thing fantasy purposes is here you are for a third time evaluating Zeke's passing game shops in. What's it's going to happen right like you know? We got a new office coordinator this past year. And you didn't see those type of top performances from Zeke on the basis of high target high passing game volume. Like you had the year before and now you've got a new head coach coming in. It's not like you're not drafting Zeke. But it's still something to be said about. You know to see belong at number two behind Christian McCaffrey and that will depend on his passing game involvement to me. Well I still think one of if not our most important show. Every off season is is the coaching changes episode. Because right now you know we'll look. I have not spent the last month researching Mike McCarthy's history again reminding me of his play calling in all of that but by the time we come around to the head coaching changes we will have deep dived. All of these coaches their tendencies and be able to project. I think You know yes. Pretty accurately the way forward for these teams. His targets went from ninety five down to seventy one There is actually if you had spent more time in the Museum of Natural History. Jason Awesome McCarthy exhibit back towards the The back so you could have maybe done a deep dive wire there. I was inside for a solid eighteen. Minutes my gosh. He's museum hopes. I don't see any buttons. Yeah all right Mike rule our. I'm I'm sorry Matt Rule head coach Abso- believe it's the new head coach of the panthers who do vis just broke broke. I mean this morning. We're recording this Tuesday morning All like signs pointing towards rule being the primary target of the New York giants and all of a sudden the panthers just Hiram Hiram ooh that was bird or I'm here for all your fault there's my credit read it for this But now the giants apparently will consider Jason Garrison they have had a apparently revenge inge mode. I think they've got a long history of believing in him as as a coach and him being on wanted their shortlists. So it'll be interesting to see how it goes but I mean really would would Jason Garrett be I feel like you you just brought it up right. What's his strength? Is like state a stabilizing force right. Feel like fifteen year commitments available. That's what the giants need. Need a stable. You know what I mean like I wasn't you know all about them bringing in a college coach they they just just need they need mediocrity. They need an eight eight season. Like this is where. That's the way up. Doug Peterson said GonNa keep winning division. Yes because you've got the stabilisers all around gear if it's Garrett McCarthy and Rivera Jason Gary like those are not is to your coach position. He's prevent defense US coach. Yes you're you're trying to not lose. Go Try to win the game. I don't know they might settle for not losing in New York. Yeah Yeah I don't know we'll see what happens. I don't know how much I buy. into the fact he's going to swoop right back into that division Garrett gentleman but it would be a give it to meet. We can root for a couple of things here on the show we can root for fantasy success. we can root for comedic value. Yes and and I think that's the one going for New York your gaze hanging out in New York that is that is true Yin and Yang because Garrett is they say what you will hear it is a super nice guy like very. Yeah a people person that everybody who knows them loves them and gas is something else that he's the Yang to the. Yeah all right. We're doing this or that. The Joe Rule Dynasty edition. I almost made that Mike. But I didn't WANNA bring it back up murder All right so what we're doing here we're doing this or that. These are players that are back to back in early offseason dynasty startup average opposition as a mouthful so these are guys that are very closely ranked right now in dinant dynasty startup. Up Leaks this or that. Who'd you rather have in a dynasty edition? Joe Mix Cincinnati bengals running back or Jacksonville's Leonard. Leonard Fournette okay. Joe Mixing is He's got them. He's a year younger. We saw fornet. As one of the most consistent producers in fantasy over the last are over the whole season but over the back cafetiere Joe Mix and was just incredible from week. You know eight on really so dynasty wise who would you rather have dynasty wise. I feel like Leonard. Fournette is twenty four going on thirty eight. I don't know if either of you to feel like this but he doesn't str- I mean. Twenty four is is a great age for you. Know a dynasty asset. That is a young to like year. Thirty seven going on thirty eight exactly income and you know I feel like winter for for net. Just seems like he has so many more miles and wear and tear on the body. You know you were course in college is been a workhorse in the. NFL has dealt with injury at every single level. I think that's what makes you feel that way. I don't think you feel that way. If he hasn't gone through the injury bumps and bruises before this past season which he did hold up for the most part so but I may ask why I feel that way. I think he's just been grinder. I'm very confident by the time that Leonard Fournette retires his beard will be full great it will be on that basis then and a dynasty league. He's around a while right. Yeah I mean no. That's two years from now so also for what it's worth. Leonard Fournette has fewer NFL. Carey's then Joe Makes Indus- Leonard Fournette has six hundred in sixty six career carries Joe Mixon at six hundred ninety three so it's perception is not reality there from an actual workload standpoint. He is one year older. And I'd rather have Joe Mix. I mean that Joe Mixon showed the top side on a bad team. He was our before over the last eight games and to me. You know you between film. Aw Age and that type of top end upside on a horrible team like Joe Mixon is the guy for me. Like I think Mixon's a gray right dinosaur me it. They're both in a contract year of twenty twenty. I can't recall exactly what happened to foreign. It's contract because a bunch of weird weird things happen where you can let him go. Guaranteed money was was caught but I mean he was a first round pick so he should have that fifth year. Option I I I think the fifth year option is still near so wouldn't technically a contract year for four net but like to me. It's WHO's more likely to get a second year or get that that next contract of substantial value and I think it's Joe Mixon at this point so he's the guy I would rather have. I think both the players will get another contract whether it's with their same team or elsewhere they're talented runners. But I I'm I'm in agreement with you to Joe. Oh Mix them as a player I'd rather have. He is a year younger and if you look at their two opportunities and you say okay which team the Bengals were so bad this year and I think that they have the ability to get better as a team whereas Jacksonville. The wheels are falling off and it seems like they're going to want and maybe need some changes hundred targets. That's so crazy. He had more than twice as many targets as Joe Mixing over the course of the year as wild and and that is what I think is going to end up. Changing Leonard. Fournette is not a specialist as a receiving back. You you can see that when you watch the Games. And that's not to say he. I mean he clearly got that role on lockdown this year but the other running backs that were there. I mean this. There's war going into the season. This was the best argument for Leonard. Four hundred master is that it was only his show. They got rid of TJ Yeldan and didn't really replace him so everything was Leonard Cornets. Well going into next year I think I don't. I don't think it will only be linen for now. I think they're going to say we need a little bit more depth here and bring someone Nelson whereas Giovanni Bernard back there with with Joe Mixon so if Leonard and extension he. I don't remember. I know there were talks but if you have Leonard. Fournette losing edgy. Does there for a couple of years chunk of the receiving work then I think next year era just next year while these not the future I think Joe Mixon. We'll have a better year than Leonard Fournette. And then you've got a guy who's younger so I'm on the jokes inside all right. Are you on the mixed to Cortlandt Sutton was to find digs dynasty Portland Sutton or stefan digs You know digs has had the obviously more productive career thus far sutton is younger and it was just in a second season. It seems like drew lock is going to be the quarterback in Denver for the time being we know causes the quarterback in Minnesota we know to find digs has has I think garnered I rolls from at least Mike and I. Yeah with his behavior when the team is your winning the playoff game and you're you're not getting targets and they were foreign I you I think when wanting about his targets in the regular season I would want targets do but you're winning a playoff off champion. That's that's a tough situation to be complaining it. So where do you way in here. Last year Sutton seventy two for Eleven hundred in twelve yards six touchdowns on one hundred twenty five targets the X. Digs was sixty three for eleven thirty in six on very similar stallions from dynasty perspective active. I am definitely on the Portland. Sutton side okay I think that he is the clear one for his team. Whereas digs you know if Adam thelander around who's the one is dealing as it digs? There's always that debate. But he is not the clear number one. Obviously he's got a better quarterback situation with kirk cousins but with Portland Sutton so him this year through a myriad of quarterbacks outperform stefan digs this season and that was in his sophomore year. He's two years younger. He was drafted to be a star and we saw plenty of flashes of that. I'm taking my shot at having that number one beast wide receiver. I don't think you're ever going to get that from stuff on digs and digs historically has been very difficult for fantasy. You know you. Bring up Amari Cooper as one of these guys digs is not a guy who's consistency helps in Vegas Heat. He wins you a couple of weeks but he's also he does a great job of just disappearing. Yeah I mean I. I wouldn't have wanted him this past year and I know we'll talk about truth. The truth episodes coming up next week. And we'll talk about wide receivers but I'd much rather preferred referred Sutton you know this past year I think. Yeah you'd Stefan Digs Amari. Cooper is a great cop to bring up uses words. It's maddening because Stefan digs his ability to create separation is elite in the NFL. But then you're like here's here's the first three games for Stefan digs wide receiver. Seventy forty three eighty three eight Like that part of that is the was the play calling Minnesota at the beginning of the year. But it's well even when it's built into Stefan dig even when that got turned around and starting in week six years the wide receiver. One six fifteen. You're like Oh okay. It's back he's a guarantee mainstay in my lineup. The next couple of weeks waters eighty one and forty four. He's just always been very inconsistent. As as as a you know a week in and week out starter. So I'm GonNa take the shot at the at the I think could become. The upside of Sutton is much higher than the upset of digs. Although Sutton John's floor could still be. This could have been a one year wonder. I don't believe that but that is within the range of possible outcomes for Sutton. They're both so young young. So it's like if you if you drop the digs into a high target situation. I think he could you know he's kind of player. That can lead the League in receptions. He could lead the league in in yards. Like that's why it's maddening. Yes there but I mean in in the find digs. He'll be a viking. Yeah for the foreseeable future. All right this this or that tight ends Hunter Henry or Darrin walls you did you. So this reminds me Goo goo clusters dairy Take a break. Yeah let's take a break and we take a little honesty to of UTAH. Ah Two of US talk to other can eat the Goo goo cluster. You guys Hashtag not a sponsor by the way just yet SALISSU. Yeah come on man each out. You don't think we wanna Google themed segment on this show where we talk about Air Walnut. If we're willing to make the I know Listen Waller is twenty-seven Henry is twenty five but has a bit of the Leonard. Fournette the you know about him. I don't worry about either of the ages because when it comes to tight ends a good quality tight end. He can play in his mid thirties. He's just fine. So twenty seven two years older than Hunter Henry But I. I don't think that age should be the deal breaker here. I'm Walrus here. I'm dare darn it pretty firmly because when I'm looking at tied in and predictability in the onslaught that we have every year of you know not knowing who's going to be there be stable is. Is Dan Waller going to be what he was through. The first three weeks of the season every week. I don't think that's the future but here's what I know. He got paid money. He's he's hyper athletic. And involved in the passing game and his head coach is going to be there for a while Andrews how to use them and he's the he's a huge fan of him. So do I know Anthony. Lynn is going to be the chargers chargers coach. I would almost bet money won't be after next year is under Henry going to be a charger next exactly. And then you know even the river situation. Maybe as a charger but rivers turns over and yes Derek Carr could go good bye right now too but I see a little bit more stability on what I've seen from waller. He was healthy for the duration. This season we had another season of hunter. Henry being hurt to begin at after missing season I'm you know in Waller puts up ninety receptions. I'm Walrus Yeah. This was a pretty easy the Hunter Henry for me at first because he he's been you know more productive career wise per game wise You have the issues Darren Waller of he was really successful for fantasy win. He was the guy but as soon as any other wide receiver emerged. You know Then all of a sudden in his targets evaporated and I think they're going to bring someone else in but you make a really good point. Andy in that you know Gruden wants an office. It's he said this. His offense runs through the tight end position. And you see that because it's not just the Walrus Moreau Yeah You know and so I do like the the known commodity of Waller going forward. I think the ceiling is higher on Henry and I would. I think I would lean in Henry here because wherever he is he's going to be paid to be a passing weapon But it's it's close and there's less risk with waller other than you do have to factor in the risk of you know he's been a repeat offender before Substance Abuse and and we've you know Oh you have to factor that in when looking at the dynasty outlooks. If something happens again it's going to be a long term suspension. Yeah I I. I like waller caller Henry thus far in his four year. NFL careers played in sixty four percent of possible games It's close Mike. Do decide on the age I eight in the ceiling. Like the the things that Hunter Henry Do. You really think you. Ceiling is higher than Waller's I do. I so Gimme that season because I mean obviously waller went out while I went out and put up last year ninety four over eleven hundred and three. If anything I'd say waller underwhelmed touchdown wise for a big guy that could go up in that department. He'd he's certainly read it Hutch downs but I don't It just doesn't seem like that. High end touchdown season is as a range of outcomes to me for waller he's a p Pr Guy Shockingly like when I would watch him. He doesn't play big and for a guy who's as fast as he is. He gets caught. But do you really want. Don't you want the PBR. Now nowadays in in the tight end position where you know if Henry doesn't get into the end zone he had a couple of weeks of the end of the year that we projected great gains right. He ends up outside the top forty because it doesn't get in the end unsown where waller. He never had a week all year out outside the what twenty two. Yeah I'm just saying philosophically. I wonder what I'm looking at anymore. I might just looking to get the GRONK in like Henry is more like what gronk would be right. Twelve down the Hunter Henry. Three next year could double digit touchdowns. I the he's had horrifically bad luck with his health. That's that is a big Red Flag because it's dad's that's been many many years now of Henry's body just seems like it doesn't WanNa play in the NFL but when he has been on the field he has been electric for doing things that very few tight ends of ever done at that age. So I'll still go away on hearing her hearing all these different sides of these two players. I think Andy has swayed me. I think I am on the Darren Waller side. I think the consistency with targets. Fundamentally right. Now if you're in any kind of half point or full point. Pr Or League. I think is what I'm looking for my tight end position. I just want it to be safer. Just Save Plug it you know. It's like it's a stopgap gap and then put all my great resources as you which is wild. Because I bet you if you have hunter Henry Right. Now I bet you could go flipping for Darren Waller plus great really I think you ate Dynasty Dynasty Leagues L.. The cell the youth. Yeah if if you're on the air and waller side I think you can make get that happening interesting waller was kind of scaring people towards the end and then ended on a pretty strong note. It'd be it'd be tough. I wouldn't trade him. But all right dynasty or that Baker Mayfield or jared Goff Oh man Baker Mayfield or jared goff. I don't think you even think about the age side of things here. It doesn't really matter. They're both what they're about a year. Apart but young quarterbacks we've seen the ups and downs. I don't know how I wouldn't take. Jared isn't easy off for me I mean I I. I think the the the rationale for taking Baker here is again based on the upside. The what could be you know. If he's got a healthy Odell Beckham and they figure it out you know. Maybe it was a coaching problem. We saw I mean there was a reason. Then why coming into this season. Baker was either the fourth or fifth quarterback taken off the board. Oma It was all but those reasons rat Gretz for some of you out. They're those reasons I think still are there for some people and you hope that he turns around becomes the the next stage of the rookie key Baker that we saw. But Jared Goff's already been a really good quarterback he's got a monster contract he's with. Sean McVeigh I'm definitely on the jared. Goff site here man. Remember how terrified we were to make Baker Mayfield obese loss in the U D K like I remember literally sitting around going like okay. Yes we believe this but is this worth putting down on paper. What if it goes the is? Is it worth it to one. Yeah well and he was risk worth it. You know the quarterback's top go to you go to the bus page and the first thing Baker Mayfield bus and it was like Ooh that feels bad risk. It worked so what do you think might because it is a bit of a scene versus unseen right. We I think we understand. What the Jared Gough experience is in the NFL and it can be really great but generally we look at golf as a situational start? Do you think Baker and can get to the point where he is an every week type of start because of weapons or you know who comes into Cleveland. Yeah Yeah Man. Those wish. We knew who that coach was going to be a great head coach. Hire Ready Mercury Mercury. It's a great offensive. MIND GOES INTO CLEVELAND. I will try not to overreact. But I'll be very excited again for for Baker Mayfield at what good Baker is better than good. Jared Goff to me I don't know that Baker can get to the point where he is consistent and stable the entire time in like I feel like we've now look at Epson. Buts were candy. Candy and nuts would be in the playoffs. I totally get that. But we've seen peak. Jared Goff that that I feel pretty confident. I've we've seen the high the end Jared Goff. Now he jerk off is never going to be that top five guy on a weekly basis. Sure I agree with that. He will not be top five. have on a weekly basis and they both can put up numbers against bad defenses so with similar to the Stefan digs cortlandt. Sautin thing. I'm I I hate. I hate my all of my answers. Just being going to chase the upside here of dynasty because say it's almost reviewing smart revealing some of our strategic differences. Though isn't it. Yeah I'VE UH-HUH I back to back dynasty champ over here. Hey you're a former dynasty champ rate right before you go right before me and then I took less now Mike. You were in the championship a couple couple times right was yes do win either of those. No I did not but you are the most proud a person can be of back to back silver medals like you. Almost that's right. He was Mike in their third straight championship game. Would you have wanted the silver for God. I can look yes second place because it's great. A little inverse. Worst of Mike was constantly. I got in the championship. He was calling us both. We're both in the to meddle club. which like because you have of two silvers was I correct? You are not correctly. Don't make silver sorry. Nobody prints we're not going to fantasy jams dot com to get you. It does fill it up with second place. The Olympians well silver medals that. Because that's basically what I am Olympia. Yes your Fantasy Olympia Olympic. I'm going to officially vote off here. Jason Yes. I'm GONNA take Baker. Okay all right. Let's take a couple minutes for some mail bag before we close things out mailbag raw gold medal. Mail bag man. Oh Oh man. That's true healing. So good about your silvers. If you have a question for the PODCASTS. Great time to submit them. Go to the website. Click the submit a question button or you can dial our voicemail hotline three zero two four. Six Four T. F. F. B. and here's what's great Thursday episode. We've got an AMA fantasy footballers Footballer's Ama this time of year. Perfect for it. Ask us any questions that she got. We'll talk about him on the show. I think it was a huge hit last year brooks. Yes Sir there you go. We got from the Horse's mouth is indeed was Sir yes sir all right. This question comes from twitter order. Where should devante Parker be drafted? It's magic fits magic. Isn't the quarterback to start to season. If that's like saying I mean I can't answer that if no who has quarterback is to be honest with you. Yeah I mean well. Here's the deal if it's not fits magic then and I think we can at least with some semblance of confidence say then. It's a rookie. Because yes they're not going to go in and get some other vet com. Josh Rosen isn't even going to be part of that team there. They're going to draft a guy who ends up playing his way in week. One or fits magic. I believe we'll be that guy so if it's the guy he's a top ten for me. Yes but this question is let's say he's not so you've got a rookie in there. That makes a huge impact wide wide receiver. Low into. Yeah I was GonNa say like twenty four yes yeah. Lowest into Miami listen draft to it fife life sit him and play fits for one more year trust the process get to a healthy get them a year of experience on an NFL bench slash practice field. Let fits magic run the show again. All the devante Parker owners sing and dance in the streets for a year. And then bring to it in your next. See that's what I think the script should be and I think I think there's a pretty high probability it will be that I agree. All right. Zack in Virginia. This year we witnessed Derrick Henry and Finally live up to the hype with more coaches willing to build their offensive schemes. Around specific talents of their players. Is there anybody currently languishing shing in mediocrity that you could see emerging as an elite talent next season. I think I think you saw all of that. Play out the Joe Mixon during the year. So languishing first half build around second half so I guess he's kind of done that but I think that he's a good example of a team adjusting making him the focus You guys have anybody top of mind here when you think of languishing wishing I mean the languishing part is what makes it hard. Like you've got the Devon Single Terry's depot. Samuels the guys that they weren't really languishing but they AH. They have not officially broken out yet. Because they didn't have a prolonged starting role for the season. But those are the first two guys come to mind. Could really take that leap Robbie Anderson sure that's a good one but how because he's escaping the clutches of Adam Gates on the New York. Jets mean I mean I think he can go somewhere and have an offense built around him though I think he can. Oh Man I do not. I don't I don't look at him. I don't think he's GonNa make more money than probably make less than what tyrel got on. The open market headed pretty decent contract. I mean did you think that the raiders going to build around tyrel no because they also traded for Antonio Brown. Yeah I look I don't WanNa take anything away from. They traded for him but then did Brown play for them. No no did they build their offense around tyrone Williams. Didn't show I would. I think it would shift that. Yeah he doesn't all of a sudden become that guy generally free agent wide receivers of that tear here. You certainly don't bring them in to be your your one and I get it the free agency for wide receivers. It's it's a more miss. Then it is. It's more of miss proposition. Yes So when you look at Running backs in that boat. Somebody that has been sitting adding back playing second fiddle. Being part of a team is at the The Melvin Gordon. Sharing time is at the situation. You Kareem Hunt Languishing on Kareem. Kareem Hunt Drake. I think hunt gets a starting job. Kareem Hunt would be the guy that I think has been languishing playing. Second Fiddle since his incident and he'll he has the opportunity to go out and have an offense Built more around him in the running game. I you know it's it's really really hard for a running back to be a backup and then come into you know unless they were a rookie. And then come into relevance. Running backs tend to breakout really young in their career. The reason that Derrick Henry was able to do it because You know I it was. It was one hundred percent because he is behind a star running back. They drafted him. Surprisingly when they had DeMarco Murray. The Titans did and DEMARCO Murray was great so it wasn't like Derrick Henry himself himself was poor. Just you know was so you'd have to look at a team. That has a star running back right now. I mean I guess maybe that's awesome necker right. There's not many any of them. I mean when you look at the situation. There's nobody that you're sitting there where we've said you know Henry was that guy. This is the year for Henry. No it's not. This is the year for Henry. No it's not I mean there's nobody out there you know. Maybe we're not. I would bring them right now. But what if said Rashad Penny. I would've loved to say that Aaron Jones last year was that Guy Right. Yes he was. Yes so yeah I those are the names that come to mind All right. Let's do one more here from twitter. Jas what what's what's the best number of people to start a dynasty league as in owners. Yeah the Best Numb I. If if that's what this question is which is how I interpret it The best number is ten or twelve committed owners. Like twelve would be the best but I would so much rather you can't. It's it's harder to change ownership. You WanNa keep keep dynasty owners around for a long time and if you've got twelve really close you know men and women that want to play this and they're committed and then you've got a couple all others that are like they might be in then I but they're not sure rather play with ten. But twelve is Ashley in a dynasty. Yeah but twelve is the best number because you you could make the argument that if you start with ten you're gonNA stay with ten 'cause expanding in a normal league. Ownership is easy expanding in a dynasty difficult very difficult so twelve is the best number. Because I think that's the context in which all the shows that you're listening to or talking about a you know a running back one being a top twelve guy running back to being a top twenty four guy. 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Trent Brown returns to Patriots via trade | Franchise Tag deadlines | Alex Barth | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar

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Trent Brown returns to Patriots via trade | Franchise Tag deadlines | Alex Barth | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar

"One a day. It has been for the NFL news cycle Alex Barth Evan Lazar Patriots beat podcast. We should talk Trent Brown coming back to New England. We're certainly going to talk about all the tag News Today by obviously wanted to start out with Trent Brown left tackle right tackle, whatever you want to call him at this point. I just just tack was just magical does the tackle good point as part of the discussion, right? I think that's honestly yeah fun part of this discussion is dead. Is he left a clear right tackle get into that'll let you give your take but that that to me is I mean no more rumors no more. I saw somebody on Twitter compared it to Twilight with the Brady and Belichick in the narratives. We have actual X's and O's football to talk about Evan. I am stoked. I love it. And I love the domino effect that this move has on so many different parts of the offensive line, and you know me I woke up this morning. And saw this news on my phone that the Patriots traded to get Trent Brown back and I was awake. How about the Patriots have a bill making a trade like 6:00 in the morning, right you can until I was woke up and got some coffee in my system had a chance to tie Anderson from 98.5 who was up taking a leak and caught it for us. So we got it up like on time. Yeah. No, I was definitely relate to the Ball Game. I need my morning routine. It's very important to me but regardless that I woke up this morning was very very excited to see that Trend Brown was coming back to New England. This is a guy that I think really took that next step into Dom category with Dante. Scarnecchia 2018. I notice car isn't here anymore. But he was always a very good pass protector Trent Brown even going back to his days with the 49ers with the Patriot Act a really honed in that run blocking his timing his footwork his ability to get underneath guys and drive them back off the line of scrimmage. We saw so many flashes of him dominating guys in the running game that I thought. Necessarily expecting when they made that move to trade forum the first time so the second time they bring him back and the questions that you have are starting at the tackle spots. What does this mean practice Cannon and Isaiah Wynn who I would put into a similar category of has something to prove at this point of his career answering his fourth season. Can he stay healthy? They have that fifty or option decision that they have looming here in the next couple of months. They have to decide on that's going to be a really interesting Domino to fall as well. I think immediately though what you see is that Trend Brown and Isaiah Wynn are probably starting tackles Jo tune. He's probably leaving and then my God when he was probably sliding inside to that left guard spot. I also have a take on where this might what this might mean for where the Patriots offense is Hudson in 2021. I think from the domino effect of who's going to play. Where would you agree that the most likely scenario is when it left tackle Brown at right tackle on when you inside job. Guard and then we figure out something with Marcus cannons contract and go from there. Yeah, it's not what I would do. I think that's probably the most likely thing like let me dispel a couple of things. I saw today that we're from Isaiah wins not kicking inside the guard. Yeah, not big enough or strong enough like his whole thing was that lettuce is MM. They try to smaller athletic tackle and I'm not going to say that didn't work right the issues where injury it's not that he physically wasn't up to it, but he's not playing guard that's not going to happen. Second of all, I'm seeing people think that there's some desire to keep my cologne went to a tackle and I understand it off as good as Michael and when he was attacked all the season he was damn good. But as good as Michael and when who was at tackle, he's better regard. That's where he should be long-term. That's how you get the most out of the player. It's the best return on the investment, you know, if he has to move out and Paige tackle in spots due to injuries, you know, it's it's a good thing to have versatility is never a bad thing. But Isaiah Wynn tackle Michael and we knew guard let's how long wait I say Erwin left tackle. He's not into into the right side. He's a left tackle. So let's not put people out of position. Let's keep that in mind the thing I wonder now and you kind of talked about the fact of the Patriots offense and this ties into that Isaiah wins. Fifty or option comes up on on May 3rd. That's after the draft. That's right after the Trap, right? So what you know is Trent Brown less money and it seems like he really wants to be here. Is there an extension there, you know, do they draft somebody again, like if you move on from the all three tackles right now or a year-by-year? Yep. Comes down to to me and if it's me, I just think you know in terms of asset management in the salary cap and all of that I get moving on from Cannon and saving that money and you don't know what he's looked like. Oh certainly is a wild card but he was capable last time we saw he was a starting-caliber NFL right tackle. If it's may I get what I can for Isaiah. When hold on a Canon use a premium pick doesn't have to be the first name is a strong tackle draft first three rounds go get a tackle ideally guy who can play either side and then you develop him in the next year, you know, you kind of figure out what you're doing with one of those two guys or somebody else in free agency. If you have this other tackle who's been in the system instead of your rookie tackle being on a one-year deal like Isaiah Wynn, you reset the clock with four years, which whoever you take this with whoever you take this year. Yeah, and I read this and we've talked about this how great of a tackle draft this really is. This tackle drafts goes ten. Eleven guys deep right? You can get a guy like David Jenkins possibly in the second round from Oklahoma State, maybe even the third dog. And with some of these guys because the depth in the class and get a starting player maybe on day too late to early day three because a deep is draft is at tackle. I think on top of that you mentioned Michael on when you know why he's a guard why wins a tackle. I agree with you a hundred and 10% with that point Michael on one who at times last year what I saw with him was that the foot speed and the the length did come up in certain situations trying to block guys on the edge. I think the foot speed mostly came into into play when they tried to get him out into space and if you're going to run to the right side off off the tackle or you're going to throw a screen in that direction or you're going to try to move the pocket in that direction or whatever the case may be. You have to have somebody that's going to be able to move around so they basically were a team because Michael on when who was there right tackle? They used that crack toss play a whole lot because they didn't want the tackle to have to get out in space that sort of limits you how you can go that way. You're not going to run outside Zone. To the right side when you're when you're tackle is really a garden these three hundred and sixty pounds. So that that's I think a big part of why he fits better inside is because real quick cuz you mentioned the sauce. I want to mention this song about maximizing your assets. Yeah. And in Matt Chatham brought this point up this morning Michael and when you next to Trent Brown Atlanta car left guard, oh boy, that's a lot of them tend to carry of it. So I wanted to I wanted to talk about that too. And I mentioned this and actually Chatham was the one that threw this out there as well, you know Jump Around Here on a one-year deal. So you're not to say that the next the offense for the next ten years is necessarily going to be like this but you do not acquire a player like Trent Brown to run outside Zone bootleg scheme or run a scheme that's off the quarterback around and moving the pocket whole lot and trying to get the runs out on the outside. That's not really that type of player and neither is on when you and neither is Shaq Mason necessarily, so I think what you are dead. You by getting transferred around back is that they might be thinking that they're guy is going to be a pocket passer right? I don't think they're thinking that they're guys going to be somebody that's going to be throwing outside the pocket a whole lot if that's going to be your offensive line and one of the things is never sexy when you get an offensive lineman, right, but it's always great for a Young quarterback to be able to have them aligned that can protect him and keep him upright so many quarterbacks start the course of NFL history. I mean Andrew Luck and David car kind of like the two poster children for this but so many other guys have come have gone downhill in their careers because they don't get protected. Well try their offensive lines and they get hit a lot and they're under pressure constantly and that's not a good way to usher in a rookie quarterback. So if the Patriots are not go quarterback in the draft and that's going to be the guy that they're going to go with then it's definitely a better thing all around to have them protected and this is a Shores up what I think could have been an issue if yep. Last show Tuney and they didn't really bring in somebody like a trend Brown to replace that those snaps that might go on when who played at right tackle. You're really relying on Marcus Cannon the whole lot to come back and look like the same guy after a year off and to be able to be somebody that could start there. So I'm glad that they made this move to shore up the offensive line because when we don't know that this for a fact, but whether it's Jimmy G or or Marcus Mariota or Matt Jones or one of those types of players that is going to stand in the pocket a whole lot they have that guy protected and that's arguably just as important as who is throwing to at this point. Yeah. I mean, I've got to say it certainly helps the Jimmy g-case right if you're talking about health and keeping the quarterback up right against the Patriots are going to have one of them not the best offensive lines in the League this year. I don't think there's any doubt that they've had it for the last couple of years. They'll have it again this year, but you know, yeah, I agree with you and Matt to all approaches for 98 five The Sports Hub., this morning that you're probably looking at Birth. More stationary Pastor a more reactionary Runner doesn't have to be a guy, you know, you can still get a mobile quarterback but a guy who's going to be more of a reactionary Runner. I'm young right now like it's freelance life, maybe like a tray Lance, but if you get a guy back there that wants to scramble and this is not cam. It's not necessarily trade Labs at all either but if you're getting a guy back there like a Zach Wilson who wants to run around a little black trim rounds not the answer because he's going to be 380 pounds. He's going to be looking around. Where's the quarterback right and and the quarterbacks moving around in circles behind him that's not going to work. So I think it definitely does open. What does that mean? I guess for Jimmy cuz we know Jimmy likes to run around a little bit but I think Jimmy is still your student guy that's going to stay on his spot for the most part and get the football out. Right and and I think Mac fans are certainly that type of guy. So if they're thinking about that, then you also need to realize that okay. He might be very good at moving inside the pocket. Matt Jones has some of those qualities. I don't want to compare him to Tom. Use some of those qualities like Tom Brady where he can move around in the pocket and make guys miss and tight spaces, but he's obviously not a mobile quarterback and he's on an athlete that's going to get out in space and create with his legs off you have in protected now and both tackle spots. You haven't protected up the middle that that's a really T part. I think all of this is well is that they've are sounding like in pointing in a direction where it doesn't feel like that they are going to be the typical Patriot offense, right the typical 2 and 1/2 seconds and out Tom Brady quick passing game get the ball out read the field quickly and that's with Jimmy Geez. That's your Mac Jones's that's a little bit of your Mariota types that has not these other types of quarterbacks that maybe we throw around for the Patriots in the first router. Okay, so it's not Cam Newton so cam never been a high level Scrambler. He's always been at the great designed quarterback run guy, right QB reads QB options things like that, but cam has never been broken play Michael Vick, right. Just throwing he wants to throw out of the pocket exactly the only out of the pocket. No inside the pocket. I would say more so with Cam there were no no, cuz the broken plays last some of his best players are on broken plays where he was extending things that I guess maybe that's different than scrambling initially, right? It's never been statistically. It's never bear. To be his game, right? He's never used to this page. You can put him any less in play not not into my not I think honestly and I know this is going to pain you but having a guy like Trent Brown and putting you know, seven hundred pounds of of size on the left side. That sounds like the team that they had last year, right that's going to be a smash-mouth football team that's going to come right at you that that sounds a little bit more like Cam Newton honestly something else if anything like that, so I think the next couple of questions that we're getting here getting a ton of questions about Isaiah way and I understand why that's a Hot Topic with this move. I think the biggest question. Yep. I have at this point is can the Patriots get something for Isaiah Wynn to make a trade worthwhile? Because like I said, I love this tackle draft. I love Trent Brown. So I'm not totally out on trading Isaiah when if they can figure if they can actually get something of value back for him. Yeah, I I agree with you. I think unless he's willing to kind of take a Reserva box again. I think we don't know what Mark is kanen is but assuming he was the guy he he is the guy he was in 2019 and he's going to stay healthy more importantly than I think Isaiah witness the third tackle right now. He also wage is not necessarily a fit for this offense. It seems like they're building and I don't know that you know, you're not going to get a massive return for Isaiah Wynn, right Isaiah Wilson got traded yesterday. He was the first round tackle granted. He was only picked a week ago and there's a number of off-the-field issues. That was a seventh-round pick swap. So I look at Isaiah Wynn is probably a day three pick you probably looking at Like A fifth or sixth round pick if you get a fifth-round pick for Isaiah Wynn you essentially e Trent Brown for nothing, right? So that's not the worst thing in the world and it's more about opening up that roster spot in like I said before I'm all for having a developmental tackle on the roster. And by the way, I've seen people mentioned yodny cajuste. I've seen people mention just inherent I think just an errand. I really like Justin Herron, but he's a swing tackle. He's your leg injury and waddle third tackle. You can plug and play in when you need to walk and I don't know what you're a big body guy. So I'll let you speak more to that. I don't know what we're expecting from Yanni could choose at this point but having a true, you know developmental starting tackle on the roster I think is valuable. I don't think wins that guy. I don't see him as a long-term fit New England. Not that he's a bad player. I just don't think he's a fit for what they want to do the smaller more athletic tackle. So if you're the Patriots you can trade them open up the roster spot dip back into the draft and then you have that tackle on a four-year rookie deal instead of a one-year rookie deal with the potential ten million dollar fifty year option coming back to get you next song. Right and and to be clear, I'm not expecting anything at a yacht and could use I love as a prospect West Virginia. He protected will Grier really well at when he played left tackle there and he's got pretty much everything that you look for in your prototypical tackle. Right? He's got the size. He's got the length. He's everything Isaiah. When is it right? He's got a wrong with measurable boxes checked. He's got good feet to play tackle. He's got good hamstrings and upper body strength to to control guys and control engagements or move them in the running game. So he's a bigger attack. Oh, he's a big. Great size. He's got great foot speed. He's got everything that Isaiah when I have from a measurables and from just a prototype standpoint at that position and like I mentioned there's a lot of guys and and I think the Patriots are you know, they don't have scar anymore, but I still think that there are uniquely equipped to develop that position just inherited Michael on when you two sixth-round picks last year. They took those guys and made them. Okay right when it was right here real quick. You get a little emotional with that Trent Brown Instagram with scar with him. I felt a little something I did something it's great to have that guy back. You know, he is a giant of a man. I mean, I know we've all seen that picture circling around with him next to Mike Reiss him next to Aaron Donald, you know, an actual football player standing next to Edelman. Yeah. He is by far the biggest guy that I've ever been around, you know, I mean, he is just an absolute mountain of a man and he could move for a guy that size and he's so powerful off the ball and he's really explosive off the ball too. But back to the office in the draft really quickly before we move on and we got a couple of people asking about Darcy. I know that's here guy. Yeah, Darren Styles, no Beast. He's going to be a first-round guy though, right you're taking him at fifteen if you want him. That's where you're getting them. He's not going to last longer than that. So some of the guys that I would look at in the draft are more developmental guys. Someone like a Dylan red Dunes from North Dakota State who protected tree Lance's Blindside last year's And 2019 is there left tackle? A really really athletic frequent checks all your measurables boxes, but in FCS competitor that's going to have some development to go in the age level but in terms of size and athleticism, he he's again another one of those guys that sort of the opposite of Isaiah Wynn, right? He's six foot five six foot six with great athleticism he month or if it's a mold that's a lot closer to somebody like Nate Solder than somebody like Isaiah Wynn. So so maybe they could go that way. I mean, I don't like him in terms of his tape. I thought it was a little spotty but Walker little from Sam who hasn't played in a while. He's another one of those guys. It's more of that third round developmental type of player that you know, maybe they can get something out of and and your two year three, but ultimately we know this is a good move for the Patriots to bring Trent Brown back, especially at this price with this trade compensation. They basically pick swapped it, you know Trent Brown in to 7 for a fifth-round pick it restructures is deal to make it more affordable. For the team is a win all around for New England. I'm going to take a second to chat out our friends at betonline.ag BetOnline the fastest and easiest way to bet on all your Sports Action football might be over but MBA college basketball and the Anna Taylor and Volkswagen BetOnline even covers Awards TV shows and reality T real-time updated odds of props and almost anything you can imagine but online has you covered for all the news scoresandodds is the best way to place your bets and it's free to sign up head to the website or use your mobile device to sign up today receive your 50% Welcome bonus on your first deposit BetOnline your online Sportsbook experts. Don't sit on the sidelines anymore or get in on the action. Don't forget to use that promo code see all that 50 to receive a 50% Welcome bonus with your first deposit. Let's move on to the tags and there's a ton of questions. I would say about these tags. Mainly Kenny. Golladay Hunter Henry any way to not get tagged. I on Robinson and Chris Godwin are really the only two guys that did get tagged that are going to be that maybe we thought about it all coming to New England right like Robinson know before we talk to the guys that didn't get tagged Robinson. I wouldn't completely rule out just yet because he's not on he is not happy with Chicago right now. He wants a long-term deal. They haven't been able to reach that long-term deal. He is definitely a candidate to me to get traded on the tag and I wouldn't rule that out just yet for Bill Belichick. I wouldn't either I you know, I think it's going to depend on I don't think that's their plan a nose again. I probably talked about this before, you know, they need multiple pieces there. So maybe if you know Kenny Ross they slip through his fingers and the juju slips through and in Marvin Jones slips through and you're going down the line then you go back and revisit that I mean, you're using the 15th round pick likely to get Allen Robinson. He's better than anybody going to take 15, but you using the 15th round pick if you had eyes on a quarterback that goes out the window, you know, it might take Stephon Gilmore like like you're you're sacrificing real high wage will assets in order to get him and was so much other receiver Talent out there on the market. Yeah, none of none of the players out. There are Allen Robinson, but there's some very good players out there and you can use those asked to improve Elsewhere on the roster where maybe you don't have as many options right in a position like linebacker at a position like tight end. We're really again, it's it's just Hunter Henry and that's kind of it off. People like John Dewey Smith Zach ertz, but they're not at that level. So just giving all the wide receiver Talent out there. I I just think it's really tough to give up premium assets for a guy when you can get wage. See who's very good without giving up any of those assets. Yeah. I understand that point and I mentioned Robinson, excuse me and Chris Godwin both got the tag. So they're kind of off the radar for now the guys that didn't get the tag. Do you mentioned Kenny? Golladay? He's going to now be the number one wide receiver that it's going to paid. He's going to get over twenty million dollars a year from somebody I believe and the question really is he's a great player. He's somebody that you know is going to be number one on my list when I when I publish my wide receiver rankings and free agency tomorrow the size the ability to beat man coverage the 1,000 ability on the outside contested catches, you know, vertical thread deep ball receiver checks all those boxes, right and Israeli really great player, but he's got the map Patricia thing. Yep. Now he liked the tweets. That was the body Matt Patricia's firing when he got fired out for beer throughout that tweet today that said that he's probably not going to go to a spot that's similar to what he just dealt with Matt Patricia in Detroit last year. So it doesn't sound like the Patriots would be in the mix for Kenny golladay, but maybe that's not such a bad thing because I think that his Market is going to be insane which might drive down some of the markets of the guys behind him and free agency. Yeah, and I've talked about this before. I don't know that I want the $25 million-dollar year wide receiver because the Patriots suck one receiver away if this was a couple of years ago and they had this cat space that's another story but they need options offensively. So, you know, if you're going to spend twenty five million dollars go get a $15 receiver and a ten million dollar receiver. I think even though the the top-flight talent you're not necessarily getting there to Patriots and if they're going to go back to that traditional Patriots offense like you mentioned before They can do like that works without an elite receiver. As long as everybody is a threat to some extent as long as you can make you make the defense cover all five options on the field. So, you know, if you forget Kenny golladay and then run it back with the rest of the crew, you're not doing that. You're just asking Kenny golladay to basically constantly deep double coverage. Whereas if you go out and I'll use the names we like to use Corey Davis Curtis Samuel Rashad Perryman, but again, you know, it's it's pick and choose, you know, it's like to build your own sandwich thing a little bit of this a little bit of that whatever. However you want to break it down go out and get two or three guys. You maybe Hunter Henry's the guy you pay and then you go into slightly cheaper receivers, but it's all about putting pieces together. It's not about collecting talents about building a team and that's how they need to approach it right now. I am paying twenty-five million dollars for Kenny. Golladay, isn't the way they do that? Yeah. I agree a hundred percent and and I think that my main take with this wide receiver market and I was texting you about this yesterday. Is that you look at the wide receivers that are going to hit free agency. A lot of these guys are those big bigger bodied outside targets, right Kenny. Golladay, Corey Davis 10 p.m. It's going to be a restricted free agent breshad. Perriman Sammy Watkins, you know, these guys are outside receivers these RX receivers. These are not these are not slot guys. They're not space players that you're going to get the exact numbers out of and stuff like that. These are Playmakers on the outside Curtis Samuel is really the only guy that's that, you know off the line kind of Gadget type of receiver. But thereafter there's a dozen of them, right? I mean the draft is so freaking deep at that specific spot from Jaylen waddle and Kadarius Toney at the top all the way on down and guys like J LOD garden and and and the the Moors at the end of the third round maybe good father there cuz of their injuries and stuff. They there's going to be nine or ten guys, I think going in the first two days of the draft off. Are those Tyreek Hill prototypes, right? The smaller slot receivers that got tons of speed and tons of ability to create what the ball in their hands. That's that's the way that it is unfolding. Whereas the free agency market is the bigger guys, right the contested catch guys the outside the numbers guys. So if it was me in the Patriots have had trouble scouting and developing that position in that big outside receiver, then n'keal Harry there and. The Chad Jackson that guy has not translated here. So if you ask me the best thing to do would be to pay somebody that you already know it's going to be productive in that role because you've seen it at the NFL level and go out and draft Amari Rodgers right go out and draft Jalen Darden and maybe that's the guy that turns into space player the ball-carrier the guy that you can do different things with that. That's when I look at the landscape of both free agency and the draft that's the best path I think is that they should prioritize. As a text receiver that outside the numbers receiver and the guy that I am really pretty high on it being is Corey Davis at this point because the Patriots have had an affinity for guys that a have beaten them in the past and were high first-round picks that they couldn't get in their respective dress cuz they weren't picking in the top ten. Right? So Corey Davis checks, both of those boxes same guy that if they graded out highly in 2017. I definitely could see them really liking him in this free-agent Market. Maybe they strike out on Corey Davis. They go to Tim Patrick and they took him Patrick and often to an offer sheet and push Denver to match it. Right? Maybe that's the rapidly-growing guys that play mostly in the slot like a JuJu. I like him as a player. I just don't know if the power slot is really a need for them. Right? I don't know if that's necessarily the way they need to go. I would love to just see them get faster more speed more explosiveness at a both of those roles and I think yep. Giraffe for that Z slot role and the free agent market for that X role is the best way to go but can I can I get another not just another guy but like in other prototype, right you talked about that shift equipped inside receiver and then the big box receiver. Yeah, they could also go fast on the outside and since you know Trent Browns coming back we talked about Kyle Van Noy last week about Brandin Cooks like wage there's he's got a very manageable contract. Let me pull it up here 12 13 and 14 million dollar cap hits which aren't nothing but really are not that expensive the Patriots can afford. That way. We know he works here. He's you know, right the last thousand yard wide receiver. They had on the outside right the last thousand yard receiver. They had that wasn't Julian Edelman, you know, he likes the culture he made that comment during the Superbowl about well, if you don't like the Patriots, then you just don't like hard work and he's a good player. I think a lot of people get confused and think he's not a good player because he got concussed in the Super Bowl which was unfortunate, but don't let that wage. Play to find the guy's whole career and then he's kind of bounced around the league since the problem is that the stage couldn't pay him originally cuz they wanted to pay Michael Thomas. They couldn't pay him. Originally. They traded the Patriots dangerous weren't going to pay him cuz they don't pay anybody. So they trade him to the Rams the Rams side him to this gross contract that again. He's a good player, but he was never going to be worth that contract. So he gets trading around the league two teams who just kind of are willing to spend for a year to bolster their receiver Corps and give it a shot. Now that contracts kind of come back down to earth. It's more in line with with his worth and I can get it for next to nothing cuz the Texans are dumb. So, you know go get them. I think he'd be a great fit. If you put put speed on one side in terms of Brandin Cooks. If you put size on the other in terms of Corey Davis you go out you get one of those slots High performers in the draft. You have to Kobe Myers is kind of a wild card who can move between all three roles and then you figure out the tight end that's like a pretty good offense. Yeah, you know, I mean just have to figure out the quarterback but I you know, you have all the pieces that's at pass-catcher where you have a pretty decent offense there. Yeah. No, I really like it. And if they do go that route that maybe that does open them up to somebody more like a Jew Jew who is your life and mostly inside and be that I called in the power slot. That's kind of what that mold is like big slot. Yep Godwin, you know, those types of guys are playing seventy 80% of their snaps inside and kind of playing as almost like a detached. I tend essentially in that role. Let's talk about the tight ends though because none of these tight ends got tagged which I think was a little bit of a surprise to me because the tag number for tight ends is not very high birth. Hunter Henry and Johnny Smith. Neither one of those guys got tagged. They're both hitting the open market. Which one do you want? You know because I think that it's a toss-up because under Henry is going to make more money. He also has the same concern is Johnny Smith is an ascending player. Not a guy that has great production yet, but he has gone his production has gone up every single year his touchdown totals have gone up every single year and he's name is screaming for a situation where you feed him the ball a little bit more and you unlock some more of that skill, especially after the catch. So I think that's the question now is which one of those tight ends. Are you picking up if you had your choice. Is that really question? I think Henry, I think it's a question. Oh, no, it's not. It's Hunter Henry under Henry is a much better player. He's a true three-down side and he's a potential thousand-yard received. You can block you can impact our Run game two thousand years ago. Six hundred and something with his career-high. I think Johnny Smith is a player that I look at who is twenty-four twenty-five years old dog. He's got more versatility than Hunter Henry. He can do some of the in-line blocking duties that Hunter Henry can do still he's better after the catch than Hunter Henry is I think there's definitely a conversation here to be had especially when a way how much each of them is going to cost. Right? Cuz under Henry is going to be a couple of million dollars more a year, especially as a more guaranteed money up front and a guy like Johnny Smith. He doesn't necessarily have the numbers yet to be garnering uniform big gray area Money numbers. So I think that you have to look at that position and a lot of these guys I didn't drive is Kelsey is kind of the number one example A lot of these guys at time it takes until year three or four year 5 for them to really start producing and start taking off and Johnny Smith is got he's only about six three six four, but he's got great athletic traits, you know Great Gatsby great Agility Test it extremely well at the combine, you know, all that type of athleticism type of stuff and now he's sort of starting to refine it all as a receiver out there and it's going to it's going to get unlocked by something. I think you're very very shortly. Yeah, I just I don't know like I like what Hunter Henry can do physically in terms of just you know, six six white he's not as thick as is John who is a little more muscular. He's got the strength to him. I just I like especially because they're probably not going to have that True Ace Receiver, right? They might have a number one, but they're probably not going to end up with that a salary cap receiver. Give me a tight. Give me the title and who's going to be the biggest matchup problem all pay for a hunter Henry. I'll pay more for Hunter Henry not just because he's good, but he's going to be more of a headache to the defense when it gets to gain planning. I think that Johnny Smith is I know you can move Johnny Smith around and I mean you get that element of it Josh McDaniels to have them in the backfield one place and have them in the slot the next play then he's got his hand in the dirt his life and he's not going to do that type of stuff. Here's the thing. I feel like you can use a line back or not. Every linebacker. You can use a linebacker to cover John Schmidt. I don't like some teams can maybe not every team has that line back? Linebackers and Lee who can I think with Hunter Henry that's a much tougher task. I think you need the extra defensive back on the field to cover Hunter Henry and if you can get teams into five or six defensive back sets and then you'll have this massive offensive line. Like we talked about the beginning and Sony Michelle and Damien Harris who want to run downhill and crack skulls. You really going to kind of put defenses in a tough spot between do we want the extra body out there for a while Henry or do we want the extra body in there to deal with this massive offensive line power Run game and can can become a part of that if he comes back and having cameras the big body in the backfield. So I like again the match up maybe play to play Johnny Smith is tougher, but the overall gameplan match up in the Personnel match up in the Personnel mismatches that Hunter Henry gives you like I look at that especially now with this is Josh Brown move and like you talked about the direction they seem to be heading in and I get really excited by that. So that's that's why I Mentor happy. I understand where everybody is coming from with under entered the thing that concerns me the most about Hunter Henry is the durability wage. Right. Is he going to be able to stay healthy eat healthy and maybe that's we've talked about in the past that might be the Chargers trading staff and that's been a disaster there in LA or San Diego wherever they've been over the years, but she has had some injury concerns and to me Hunter Henry is your prototypical white I-10 right? He's going to put his hand in the dirt. He's going to run option routes. He's going to run white why option was his number one route in La I go up to the top of the route break it off, whichever direction the defender is not in. It's the Jason Witten route, right? Jason Williams. Probably going to make the Hall of Fame off of that one play Kronk's route was the Crosser or the owner about behind their linebacker level or the seem right under Henry Morgan option guy at the top of the road with his quickness. So there's some you know translation there certainly into their their thoughts their offense with that role, but Donna Smith just the athleticism the versatility just really speaks to me it does if somebody that I think is going to be for Josh McDaniels. That's that's someone that home Really scheme up, whereas with Hunter Henry you kind of need to alter and you kind of need to say okay. This is going to be his role because this is what he does best, right, you know, apparently someone that you're going to break out the month for sure Johnny Smith isn't a bad option. I just think they need talent and and you know head-to-head who's the more talented player. I think it's Hunter Henry lad this I get the durability concerns and on normally the first one mentioning that I didn't talking about non-stop The Coop low, but his games played over five years fifteen fourteen. He missed 2018 with a knee injury, but then twelve and fourteen. So he's missed spot game here and there but he's played twelve games every year but one and he plays through injuries he does so he's not, you know, I see people call him soft. I think his know his injuries are more issues of circumstance. He's not a guy that's sick of games. You could probably play if you can play he's going to play he just had that bad knee injury and then I think he like broke his hand or something early in his career. He missed a couple of games. But again, you know, I'll go back to it 15-14 1214 he's he's on the field more often than not the injury concerns certainly valid and if you want to take that into account and it certainly we're taking into account but it's not the point where I think is to be all adults. It's not necessarily about the injuries themselves. I think with me and Hunter Henry. It's have we already seen the best out of Hunter Henry or does he have another level right? Does he have another level? I think Johnny Smith has another level I had talked about how it comes into your four and five Hunter Henry only has a year on jonnu Smith, right? But we have seen Hunter Henry. I think at this point. He had one at six hundred plus yards season a bunch of TDS. I don't have the numbers right in front of me, but I think we've seen Hunter Henry close to his Peak. I don't know if we've seen Johnny Smith close to his speak and as a team like the Patriots, I want players that are not going up right. I want to send a I mean is that I've already reached that level and they're kind of doing what they do in their primes now, I want to play our life jonnu Smith. He was going to jump from 450 yards wage. With Italians last year to 800 with the Patriots, but see they've had guys like that at the tight end position like Scott Chandler was like a rising star in Buffalo. Yeah, right like they they struggle with those up. He's just the first example, there's a lot more I can't think of it like they sort of counter that I give me the guy who we know is going to be good Hunter Henry might not get much better than he is right now, but he's a top ten thousand maybe top five tight end in the league right now. Like I'm five if you get 3 years of a top 10 tight end you take that take that like maybe Smith ceiling is higher. But are they going to be able to capitalize? Yeah, I think it's a great debate. You know, I think you will certain players if they end up with either one they did. Well, you know, cuz I saw people trashing me for not wanting Johnny Smith. I would take Johnny Smith Iraq Hunter Henry, but they're both good players. Like they, you know one's a success and and they're both different. So it's it's kind of your your your taste right? What what flavor do you like? Vanilla? You know, which one do you want to go? Yep? And I think I want to go back to like the I want crock. I want them to get and he's not close to, cuz they're going to get so the thing about girls that I think a lot of people forget because we're used to this Gronk now. Do you remember how Dynamic drunk was in the open field? Yeah. No, they're not. They're not like like Henry's not that but I think right he's as close to that as they're going to get. No the closest thing that that he has a life skills that are like that right, you know in terms right walking in terms of running the rest inside the formation stuff like that. But with Hunter Henry, he doesn't have that yak ability, right? He doesn't need that yards after the catch scale. John is Smith definitely does and that's something that I think gets me more excited about John who is I think of ways that Josh McDaniels can get him into space right and get him and with the ball on his back and get him rolling and that's certainly something that I think is is really intriguing. I also want to talk about Dak Prescott not because of anything to do with the Patriots and Dak Prescott home. Unfortunately, unfortunately, we could have led with that. If if today wasn't such a jam. Yeah, he was day the Cowboys did tag Tak but it's a I guess a procedural thing because they weren't need the contract done or something like that in time and or signed or whatever. I don't know those things always confused me but in terms of Dak Prescott what it does tell us is not that that press down to New England. Is that the Cowboys are not on a quarterback at number ten, right? So now the number 10 pic to me as a huge for sale sign on it because the Cowboys need defense they need offense in droves because they got offense they contact they got Zeke. They got Amari Cooper. They got plenty of offense. They need defense and the Patriots have the 15th pick in the draft. They also have Stephon Gilmore's right and maybe they can pull a trade-in move up to number 10 with Dallas because if they don't move up to number 10 in Dallas, I have a really strong feeling that somebody is wage. Going to move to number 10 for with Dallas and take their guy. You know when you getting who are you getting a tent? Are you talking about Mac? I'm talking about Mac or love it. I like well trained Lance is all I've said that he's off the phone now. He's not getting past Carolina. So that's why when you said Ted, you know, I wasn't sure if you were thinking Lance was maybe going to slide or something. No, I think that the problem is is that all five of those guys are going. 12 pics, right? I think you know, I think top twelve but by the time stamp just go makes the pic that they'll those five guys are going to believe you have matched. So you have natural is going 10-2 trading up for Mac Jones at 10. So, who's he going ahead you think he's going out of Lance know I think all four of those. I think the first four guys to go into the top 9 pics, right? I think Lance Lawrence Wilson will be off the board by number nine thousand that Denver picket number right? That means that you're saying Jones at 10 or 12, I guess. Yeah, and I think that that number 10-15 is going to end up being we're being we're Jones goes but if you're not the team that trades up to it and it's not dead. You you know what I'm saying, right? So yeah, they're going to be the 49ers. I mean there's a chance. I think that New Orleans or one of these teams that were in the playoffs recently that don't have the quarterback position figure it out could jump all the way up like the cheesecake to get Patrick Mahomes. You know, I think that there are a lot of scenarios there where that's going that that pic is going to be for sale the Patriots have a very valuable asset to me if you look at Dallas and that Dallas needs second timer help any defense help first and foremost, but they specifically need Corner help and secondary help Stephon Gilmore is for sale right now from the Patriots. They have the 15th pick in the draft day trade 15 and Stephon Gilmore pretend now, you're not giving up another draft pick for as a rebuilding team to move up and you can get your quarterback that that's I think a scenario that we need to be talking about now because there's no way now that Dallas is taking a quarterback with that pig and I don't really think that Dallas needs to keep the pic because they can probably get the defensive player. They want 5 pics later anyways wage. Yeah, and you know, there's not going to be a ton of Defense of players that go at the beginning of this draft and they're mostly going to be Corners. Right if you're Dallas and you're sitting at 10, you're probably taking JC horn who's ceiling is dead Stephon Gilmore, right and you need to win now. So just Advance the clock go get the ceiling go get Stephon Gilmore. If you move back to 2:15. Now, you can talk about, you know, some of these linebackers and saving college and maybe kwity paye and in in in some of that but it makes no sense. If you're galles. I mean assuming the Patriots offer this right if it's between drafting JC horn at 10 or taking Stephon Gilmore and moving back to 15. That's a no-brainer. It should be a no-brainer for Dallas now, I don't think Dallas that's in a win-now mode right? Do you think it's when now do you think it takes Gilmore 15 to get ten? Yes, I don't I see I think that's too much. Do you think that they they're not going to get they're not going to get ten for just for Gilmore? I mean that's not going to happen. Right? But I think you can do 10:00 for Gilmore. They've done the deal. You know what I mean? Like that's a trend that the Patriots make automatically that's an automatic. Yes. So that's not going to happen when my idea was by trading Gilmour and the 15th pick 4:10 a.m. Is that you now you're not giving up an extra pick to get I get that. Okay, right. So you're not giving up a future first and not giving up another second or third round pick. You're just giving up a player in your 15K that you were going to use anyway on somebody and moving up five spots to get Mac jokes to get trained Lance to get whoever your guy is. Yeah. No, I mean almost again and I said this before do I maybe just that feel like a little bit of an overpass the moment sure, but if if they believed Matt Jones is a guy or they believe tray Lance's the guy and he's the one there in 10. No price is too high. Nobody's going to bemoan. Oh, they they didn't get enough Force to 5 a.m. No more when Matt Jones or trade Lance's winning playoff games in Foxborough in January. So the future so right there's a lot of chatter right now about Stephon Gilmore's trade value and I under sold I owe sold, excuse me, his trade value a couple of times already. It's not extremely high right now. There's concerns about the injury. There's concerns about the next contract. He's going to want right. They're not getting a first-round pick Forum. You know, they're probably there. I still think you can maybe like I look at the Packers in 29 and like I still look at that one and think that that maybe if you throw in like a fifth-round pick that's may be doable. Yeah, but you're not getting ten Forme know you're not getting ten straight up. I don't know. I don't know if you're going to get an end of the first round pick their teams are definitely concerned about that need. You know, you got a knee injury like that that you think is okay, but then it ends up not being okay and got a contract situation and a player that's over the age of thirty at a skill position at a position that relies on speed and being able to run off. You know, there's some concern there I think and and there's definitely an element of teams that don't want to give up that first round pick for him. So you pair 15 and Gilmore together, maybe that gets you up to 10,000. Maybe you can take your quarterback there cuz as we're going across we're just crossing quarterbacks off Alex left and right here, you know, just Jack Prescott's off the board. He's going back to Dallas Russell Wilson coming here to Sean Watson's not coming here. You know other Matt Jones are trained Lance is probably your highest upside right now at have all the quarterbacks that you can possibly get your hands on. So the draft it might be the move that they have that make Yeah, no unless they want to do and some teams have done this and it looks like it's what you know Detroit's doing right now and Miami kind of did this you draft and put together the rest of the team and then next year Kansas City did this to next year you give up whatever draft takes it takes to move into the top three and get the quarterback you want whether it's Sam Howell or filled your Kovac right? You use that 15 pick up on tackle. You trade Stephon Gilmore from Michael Gallup and extend him you use that next pick you go out and get a linebacker, right? You just build up the rest of the roster you find a bridge quarterback for this year. It is what it is you ate and ate in the next year your trade three first-round picks your trade in the top three and you get the guy like that's the only other option right now. If you want to talk about quarterback upside, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. And again, they shouldn't draft a quarterback this year. If they don't believe in the guy don't draft the guy just to draft them and then handcuff yourself cuz let's say they take Matt Jones and they're like, they're like Mac Jones might be good might not be home. Because we need a quarterback and then at Jones sucks and you're in a position to draft filter Kovac next year, but you're handcuffed cuz you can't cuz you just took back. That's a tough sell. I mean, maybe you can do it Miami did or is trying with to a but there's no guarantee there. So if the guys there they should take them. They absolutely should take them. Yeah, I think we're both in agreement there. Right? Let's get to some of these questions. You have a question. We're going to take the last 15 minutes or so here to answer them. I wanted to pull up a question that I saw earlier that was as multiple times in the chat. Okay. And by the way, it's not personal if we don't get to your questions. It's just throwing that out. There's a lot of when we try to get as many as we can. Yeah, absolutely. Let me just I can't find it cuz it's going through like hundreds of comments here. Thank you offer for watching and commenting. We really appreciate it. But the question was would you is it realistic? Excuse me to sign a Kenny? Golladay and Hunter Henry Kang. This offseason to high-priced free agents at their positions. Probably going to be at the top of the market. My answer is a hundred percent realistic don't listen to the cap excuses. If it doesn't happen, right cuz they can definitely make it work with the cap. But that's not how Bill Belichick typically builds a team right going out there and getting two guys on an average annual basis of thirty million dollars combined is not usually bills that mow, but they do have the 63 million dollars in space and they can structure the contracts, you know, very conservatively in the beginning to make sure it fits and they stole plenty of wiggle room to make other moves. So it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility of the question is just do you want to go that route really? Right and it goes back to an asset management thing and and the rest of the roster right? If the rest of the roster was great and they only needed pass-catchers and they still somehow had the sixty million dollars then I think that's a much more serious conversation, but you still need help at linebacker. You still need help on the defensive line. You still need to find James White's replacement. You still need secondary pass-catchers. It's just, you know, you're probably talking about close to if not more than forty million dollars right there. And that's two-thirds of your cap space on two players when you have holes all over the roster. That's just it feels like a lot it it really feels like a lot about you know, if you can keep them under four years cuz you'd like to think if they do take, you know, Matt Jones or Trail and there's going to be a quarterback extension coming in. So you have to keep the contracts under where that extension kicks in it's doable like life math is there and it lines up and and they can sign both those guys. I just I don't you know, you do that in Madden because you know, what's going to work. There's no guarantee that works and you're putting all your eggs in a real job. I've asked if you do that. So it's just it's it's they've got to be totally sure if they pull the trigger on that that they have an offensive system in mind that Josh McDaniels has an offensive system in mind in a quarterback. They can get in place. They know they can get in place who can make that work cuz if not, it's going to set them back. Yeah, and I also got some people saying that the Cowboys couldn't take on stage on Gilmore because if it's contrary to figure it out, I just like I want to go on a mini random about this real quick. I I think this is one of the most over reported over discussed Topics in the entire NFL media base is salary cap space and the ability to fit guys under the cap. It's bogus. It's bogus people. I'm not calling Miguel Benz on him patscap bogus. What I'm telling you is that Miguel does a great job of telling you how they make it happen, right but every single player that gets cut or every single player that gets trained. In the team comes out and says we didn't want to pay the you know, we didn't have the cap space. We had to trade him cuz a cap space know you had to trade him because he didn't like the player at that number that you were paying him. Right? He was being over paid for the production not because you had to get the cap space. So there's a lot of creative ways to fit guys under the cap the Dallas Cowboys use it avoided structure deal with Dak Prescott. I don't like voided years because you have to worry about the dead cap hit penalties and stuff like that. But if the Dallas Cowboys is planned as to extend Dak Prescott before this contract expires, and it really doesn't matter that they tacked on page wanted years. So the question really is is does the team want the player bad enough to keep them because it's certainly not a salary cap issue if the Dallas Cowboys traded for Stephon Gilmore today wage, they could then rework his contract and fit him under the table just fine, you know, they could extend him they could tack on some dummy years with an extension and stretch it out. Like they did with Dax contract. They could give him a fraud. Signing bonus that could really that's prorated over three or four years to make sure that the cap penalty is not big this year. There's so many different ways to manipulate the salary cap guys like patscap. He does a great job of bringing you all those different ways, but don't fall for the Trap of they don't have enough cap space to do something or they don't have enough cap space to keep this player or re-sign this player because that's definitely never the case. The case is just do you like the player at that number and all addresses as an example here? The Saints are fifty million over the cat. That's the most of any team and they franchise tag somebody today. They were fifteen million over before them. I think was Marcus Williams write a safety. So it's it's doable. Can we do somebody asked about Trey Hendrickson, I think into some of the defensive players maybe they didn't get tags today cuz I have it take for you to make sure you know, cuz I was talking to Matt dollar from 98.5. He's working on. You know, what kind of the patrons have all this cap. Could they make a Stephon Gilmore type of move this year right when they signed staff originally name? The guy he was a guy that you know, a lot of people didn't see it coming. They had Malcolm Butler. They they had just kind of a lot of good Corners people thought they're going to pay Malcolm Butler and they just kind of spent a lot of money in a position that was exactly want to need to get an elite elite player. And obviously it worked out. So I look at the the landscape this year and could they do another move like that and a guy look at again, not likely but possible. Dupree who some people thought might get tagged by the Steelers and he didn't now the Patriots we've talked about this before they need to kind of start thinking about life after. So high tower and Bun Duprees a guy had come in play next two. To Hightower for a couple of years and then not replace him necessarily positionally cuz he's more of an outside linebacker, but he's a true three-down game impacting linebacker and you'd have that at the outside spot instead of the middle spot, but you still have that linchpin linebacker in your defense, but Dupri's only twenty-eight. He is coming off a torn ACL which makes things tricky. But two years ago, he had 11 and 1/2 sacks. So I'm talking about it as a big signing but at the same time maybe a Bi-Lo a little bit on a guy who is coming off a pretty serious injury and if it works out you're going to get a top ten linebacker at a very good price. The other thing they could do as I look at Bud Dupree is maybe you know, he tore his ACL. You don't want to go out and get the long-term deal to see if your bud Dupree because you'll get it is low. They can offer him more money than he's probably worth just because they have so much cap space give him a competitive one year offer say come in here. We're going to make you look really good. We're going to let you prove your knees healthy and then you can go out next year when everybody knows you're healthy and there's more cap space and you can really cash in so he was the name I was watching again. It's not you know, they have other needs but there are there is a little history there were Belichick could maybe pull off assigning like a guy like Bud Dupree? Yeah budget. Plays the game and the Patriot type of manner. Yeah. He's he is fast off the edge, but he's more of a pocket collapsed Iran upon. You know, you really pushes the pocket from The Tackle position or over the tackle I should say and I do think you know in Pittsburgh they like to get their their opinion in their ears back and rush the passer. So that's not necessarily their scheme finding that he's got the thickness and he's got the growth in the size to be able to set an edge right to be able to sit in a gap and and sit outside and make sure that guys don't get outside of him and he does have some athleticism. I think he fits definitely the question is really going to be that price tag, and and maybe that is somebody that ends up, you know taking one of those one-year deals that we've talked about a decent amout that, you know, there's not a ton of cap space in the league. They're going to have some players that are going to sign one-year nine million dollar deals that are probably worth more than that and reset their market and move from there. The next question that I wanted to get to was something that you were texting me about Thursday morning contacting off. Oh, yes. Is this just somebody asked it? A lot of people in the chat Alex talking about Aaron Jones. Yes, I think the Patriots. Yeah this want to see the smoke come off my front right now. You got me fired up with with with my last week and it's the same thing. I don't think they should pay Aaron Jones eleven million dollars a year. I don't think they should pay a running back that much but it's an important role in the offense. They need a pass-catching running back again. Like I said, what do pre this is less realistic. Is there a chance Bill Belichick goes out and just pays for a really good player at a key role. Even if it's not a spot. He normally pays money. I send this game actually to Thursday 11 million dollars for Aaron Jones when they have Damien Harris and Sony Michelle roster, we could all be mad. It's a you're allowed to be mad. I am going to be mad. I agree. I agree with you absolutely no value there none. The running back position is not a position you want to overpay for I would never even drop the running back in the first round. I was disappointed when they did that it just some degree with Sony Michelle. I thought I like to play a game. But at the time especially but I didn't like to Asset Management, right? That's a bad asset management and we're seeing why right now Aaron Jones overpaying for that player for what what so that he didn't catch 60 balls out of the backfield it averaged nine yards per catch know I I do agree with you. I this is where we disagreed. The only way I sign Aaron Jones is if you get it in writing that Aaron Rodgers is going to follow guarantee year at me a contract in writing signed by Aaron Rodgers himself and signed by what whatever is fiance's name is as well and the Boston and Aaron Rodgers playing for the Patriots next year she and sinus to then she's she's an intellectual type right Boston's you know, it got all the universities here. Do they have a Ridge Road in Green Bay? I don't think so. That's Patriots Nation. That's mean you do certain willing Shailene Woodley. Yeah Twitter and see what happens actually like pretty social media active if she's in on coming to Boston and New Jersey. Where is Aaron Rodgers here by signing his guy Aaron Jones? Okay fine. Maybe I can talk myself into it. Other than that. I'm all right. I agree. I was just I was just poking the bear when I texted I suck did bring up and I asked this last week I said I would like to get there, you know, and I would I would bring you know James White. It sounds like his on his way out. They do need a pass-catching running back. It is a very crucial role in the offense. Jim Johnston's a guy. You're probably get him for I don't know what like three or four million dollars a year somewhere in that range much more reasonable a guy who has had success in the league before I really liked him. He's in Miami guy right out of the University of Miami. Remember him. He's a good player in college. That's more. So the range I do think signing a running back a pass-catching running back. It's not a bad idea. You don't need to pay it for Jones eleven million dollars, but somebody like wage jobs that I actually think that would be a good signing. They want to pay Duke Johnson three or four million dollars to replace James White in the past catching roll because Duke Johnson in Cleveland. He's kind of you know bounced around job. Instead and it hasn't been a successful but Duke Johnson in Cleveland was always among the league leaders and and catches by running backs. He was kind of you know going in that James White type of trajectory where he could be something like that. So yeah, if you want to pay Duke Johnson a couple of million bucks to come here absolutely opinionated mad who said earlier that you don't like him is now saying that she and Wesley is going to get off Art Museum Science Center and let her know, you know, I don't know how great it is here, you know Center or coupons for Crescent Ridge ice cream Town Spa Pizza get her some juice and Italian food. Like let's let's let's start. Is she still Shailene Woodley or she going to be sailing Shelley Rogers? I don't know. Let's start. Let's start worrying that the family urgent series, right? I I I think I'd never heard of her until like the other Jennifer Lawrence. I don't mean to be that that basically you're in the celebrity guy. I don't know some of these little not so so maybe yeah go tell her that the Museum of Fine Arts here in Georgia. Since one of the best we got we got a Planes Trains automobiles Museum somewhere in here too. We got we got you know Freedom Trail type of stuff Paul Revere Sam Adams, you know, we got All Ships free we got tall ships. You know, Aaron your girls going to be happy here. How about this name going back to the real? Yes, that's real talk though. Actually do that. On Thursday. We can take credit when Aaron Rodgers signs here exactly will say that it was the museums and it was all our idea right? I do. Another name you mentioned Bud Dupree we're talking about maybe a little off, you know, lower-tier play pack here all the way down an aquarium. That's another good one. Yeah you all right, but the Charlie Baker was going to have all the fish at the aquarium vaccinated but then he found out they were educational so we put him at the bottom of the list. Oh, okay. Well, there you go the aquarium. Yeah Boston aquarium one of the best New England Aquarium. New England. Sorry, whatever. It's in Boston. Anyways, have you Don I'm from nice player for that be a great sign off. On there on the defense the thing that Baltimore does that's a lot like what the Patriots do as they play at a multiple fronts and they have multiple Blitz package has a lot of guys dropping some guys were watching, you know, as a me befriends those different styles schemes that they run on third down. It's it's not exactly the same scheme but it's the same idea the same principles of edge Defenders that need to set the edge at rush the passer in different types of schemes and then obviously drop into coverage a little bit as well and to space in the flats. That's what Matthew Utah has been doing for Baltimore and a pretty high level for life, you know, four or five years going now, so he's another player we got so many questions about Odell Shaquille Griffin mentioned here in the chat any of those names so bad thing was Shaquille Griffin for me is You go you go first actually go first and you look something up. I feel like corner is not a position. They should be targeting cuz they can find guys to play God and create agency in the draft. Maybe. Yeah, I think about you know, the way the I have all the that I know they've had their their issues in the second round with those guys, but outside of the second round they've done a really good job of getting guys here that at that position and and being able to develop guys. I mean the udfa is JC Jackson Jonathan Jones Malcolm Butler cre'von LeBlanc anymore. Dairy buyer who is Darius Butler draft pick Darius Butler might have been a draft. Yeah. It's a draft pick. Yeah. It goes on on so so my my take on it is and I get I talked about the Gilmore signing like historically and what they do that again and I've mentioned in the past that I think kind of what they'll do is Gilmore on his way out is kind of like they did with Malcolm Butler when Hakeem took went through a Rivas left is string him along cuz he's a number one corner, but he's not like an ace right so you have a dog Jack's on this restricted deal then you can tag. Um you string him along until you can get that next delete Corner that next to find Gilmore in the open market. This year is cornerback Market isn't great next year and we'll see what happens with tensions and Franchise Tax and all of that Marshon Lattimore G or Alexander these these guys could be free agents next year years hitting the open market. I promise you that look it maybe those guys off the top to bottom next year's cornerback class looks to be a lot better than this one. So do you want to spend that money this year and the next year you get an actual age corner on the market took a sudden. You can't pay him cuz you know Griffin's not a bad corner, but is he those guys? I just named as he of that caliber see an ace number one corner know so I I wouldn't spend big money at the cornerback position until this guy worth spending it on. I think if you're paying Griffin, you're just you're spending just to spend at that point, you know, so I want to end on this point cuz we do have to sign off here. I've been told my TRD has been told Mike Reiss has been told all of us have been told that Bill Belichick has a big old bag of money for whichever wide receiver will take it on March 17th, right and I just do not I don't know who it's going to be yet. I don't know if it's going to be Kenny. Golladay. You know, I don't know if it's going to be the top of the very top of the market but somebody else when we wake up on March 17th is going to get a bag from New England at that position. I I really feel strongly about that. So I think what we're really talking about now is who is it going to be and now you know, what point can they get that guy in here? Right, you know, it isn't going to have to be can they get a Corey Davis? Because I think Corey Davis is one of those players that if you call him the morning free agency in the back window opens on March 15th, you call Corey Davis is Agent. Did you say we're giving you seventeen million dollars a year? You're going to get the deal done regardless if we open quarterback for you, right Curtis Samuel if you call him and you say we're going to give you 12 and 1/2 million dollars a year. Nobody else is going to pay you more than 9 deal done. Right? You know that those are the types of players that I would look at. I think Kenny golladay might have too many suitors. I think Hunter Henry might have too many suitors where you're in a bidding war with all options on the table and some guys have quarterback some guys don't you know and you're getting into some situations where you might have to struggle. Yeah, they're going to have to overpay guys for some of these guys. All right, they're not going to get some of these receivers. They don't have Tom Brady anymore, right? You're not going to get five million dollar Counts from Curtis Samuel. So yes, you're going to have to overpay for somebody you have to have space. That's I think what's going to end up happening? So if you're looking for that big move that big sticker shock, you know, you mentioned to the cornerbacks and stuff like that. I really truly believe it's going to be a wide receiver. It's a long time coming that they've actually pay somebody at that position in free agency and get that spot figured out. Not take chances on an Antonio Brown or a Josh Gordon or someone like that. So it really comes down to who will take it but I'm just saying I think that we're going to wake up just like we did was to offer more and free agency a few years ago and see of really big fat contract handed out to a wide receiver by the Patriot. So I guess my question and you heard this like was the phrasing specifically with receiver. Is there any chance that report under Henry the people that I talked to said specifically that they're interested in wide receivers. They internally believe a little bit in Devin asiasi, right? I think that it can be at least a viable NFL player right? We're not talking for Gronk or something like that, but you can be at least being a good NFL tight end. So I actually would think that if they go the free-agent it and tight and maybe they go after somebody like a Gerald Everett, you know and and pay or or Kyle Rudolph or someone like onion right of that ilk But ultimately I actually think they might get back into a job. Laughed at that spot on day to somebody like a breath and Jordan or a Tommy tremble or a hunter long from BC and developed them alongside Devin asiasi off and and kind of work both of those guys in and sort of who who Rises to the top. Right, you know get a couple of Developmental guys that have you know, high-quality trades to them and whoever ends up being the best out of them as the guy that played the most Yeah again, I've this hooked to this point. My assumption has been if they gave somebody the bag it was going to be Hunter Henry just because you know bills known about him since high school and it's less deep position and all of that. I'm not disagreeing with what you said. I just don't know I'm now readjusting but more confident in their selves of drafting and developing. It makes sense. Now, I feel that I think that comes from maybe some of it is sort of like educated guesses that you look at that and we can all kind of look at it and say, okay like they're definitely going to have more success developing and drafting at I-10 and identifying and tight in based off their history in a wide receiver But ultimately, I think they want to get somebody paid at that position because they know that that's going to make their team a lot better. They have the offensive line figure it out. They need to get something to throw the football too. Then they'll figure out the quarterback position from there and and we could be talking in a couple of months, you know, you gotta hope that you're talking about a much-improved team on offense, you know that that's the goal mouth. Going to here's the thing. It's going to come down to the quarterback. Ultimately if they if they write whoever brought up the gala day and Hunter Henry, you know, both of them point if you signed both of those guys, but you have Jarrett Stidham throwing them the football you didn't really get that much better because at the end of the day it is the NFL is football. The quarterback is going to you're only going to go as far as your quarterback takes you so, you know, they need to get the pieces and they are doing it a little bit backwards here, you know where they're going to end up getting a quarterback to fit the offense instead of building an offense to fit the quarterback. But you know that that's what it's going to come down to whoever they add if they don't bring in at least a you know, a quarterback who is hopeful future. Maybe it's not immediately but a guy who an eight months or or a year like Matt Jones are trained Lance. You have some kind of hope if they don't do that, you know, then it becomes a really tough conversation of yeah, they need all this but so we'll see then I I do think I still believe and I almost I almost went the whole show without saying it I almost went the whole show of the show. How could you not say we all I am? Graffiti shirt believe in them being aggressive. I don't believe like you said trading up to 10:00 and getting back or trade Lance. I still I still believe in them being aggressive. So our goal progress about wide receiver and quarterback, but I think ultimately you mentioned making the, you know, the positions around them filling those out before the quarterback is a little bit backwards. I think that they're looking at it like we're building a patriot offense, right? And we know what to do. Offensive wants to be so what we need is to get players of that ilk of that skill-set, right and maybe they feel like that's a Curtis Samuel. Maybe that's that's a Corey Davis or will Fuller or a Jew Jew or ever they end up paying right doesn't matter because they know that they're going to get a Jimmy G or a Mac Jones in here and they're going to be a patriot offense and I think that all day that's the sort of model and they know that okay. It doesn't have to necessarily be a cam offense. It doesn't have to be a trade Lance offense. It doesn't have to be something different. We're going to go with the same sort of situation. With the same sort of players and just make sure that we upgrade the players that those specific spots. So that that doesn't for today's show. That was a long one and used to be so that's okay on Thursday that will be back with another live Q&A. So bring all your questions back to us on Thursday and we'll answer all the men but until then signing off for Alex Barth have been Lazar. Thanks for watching guys.

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Episode 43: Free Agency Preview

Establish The Run

45:26 min | 1 year ago

Episode 43: Free Agency Preview

"I it has though and welcome to episode forty three of the official established the run DOT COM podcast my name is Adam Levitin one of the CO founders here at Etr and it's here. Yes us now that the super bowl is behind us. It is officially the twenty twenty. NFL off season. Throughout this off season I will be joined by in civil once a week. Sometimes more to discuss. What's going on how it affects fantasy outlooks etc etc and that starts today as yes? I'm joined by the legend himself. Evan what's going on buddy. What's going on Adam? Great Great Super Bowl. It was a great game Damian Williams should've went. MVP You know I say that as someone who it was on him at twenty five to one to win. MVP Obviously Patrick. Mahomes was the actual most valuable player on the field for the chiefs. But it was I I will watch the game with Ryan Newnan and Conor Allen out in the Chicago suburbs. We had a blast Ryan noon. And it's got a nice setup with two massive. TV's TV's in his basement wife's in an amazing cook and it was a great You know full playoff experience to go to Vegas for the Conference Championship Games and it was just A. It was an awesome January and early February. Yeah Man Awesome Awesome Awesome Super Bowl. I honestly think that and we talked about it on the Thursday talk show last week about the mahomes rushing. Property was one we disagreed on. You're right I was wrong. I had under thirty and a half but I still one in Seattle Yeah. I don't think we were talking about the Mansi. Don't think that I'll ever like win. A bet like that again that that like you know people say Oh if you say. That's once in a lifetime if you haven't bad enough I I've been betting got. I don't want to think about how much for how long I will never. I don't think I'm the rest of my life. Get a win like that. He needed to get negative fifteen yards on meal downs for me to win the bet and he did negative. Fifteen yards on kneel downs. And he did it so crazy man So yeah that was fun ending Superbowl Nice Swim. I thought it was in the bag. You know it was like Connor. How many rushing yards? Is You have a forty four. Yes but now it has given for you So as I said these pods will be around once a week. Maybe twice all winter spring summer they will be free on itunes. Wherever you listen to the PODCAST will be sure? You're subscribed on the POD APP of your choice again subscribed as a loose term. It's free also punch. were posting a bunch of videos on youtube now so sure to check out. Our Channel on Youtube established the run and most importantly Evan most importantly the thing I'm most excited about is XFL Which starts Dr Saturday? And and there's something exciting about a brand new league one that no one does like people don't know much about it and getting to play the F. S. interest exciting waiting for me and I'm really not I don't think I'm being sarcastic or even joking when I say that this week one slate could be the best defense slate in terms of EV. In like I don't know maybe even like the last two years like huge prize pools lots of action. And no one you know other than us. Of course. No one even knows who's on what team or or who starting so I am so excited about this. XFL slate we have depth charts up right now. We'll have a live show with me Evan. Shawnee Shem on Thursday while top as the articles so go to establish run DOT COM check out all of our XFL coverage that is bound to go down are with all that out of the way. Let's get to today's topic. It's crazy to me. But there's a case to be made that free agency. I think is even more popular than like the actual football games right like when Evan and I were at Rota auto world I remember. The boss is telling us that the most traffic time on the website wasn't in the fall during the Games. That's not win. wrote a world got the most clicks. It was during the first first few days of free agency. That's when we got the most clicks and rotor on which is crazy to me I get it to some degree like team building and opinions on how much players worth. Yeah I think is super interesting but I don't know I haven't any thoughts on on. Why Free Agency is so popular in people? The fans just love it so so so much. I just think it's time that offers hope it's it's similar to the draft. I mean people are obsessed with the draft. You know the mock draft industry is booming. Business is booming. Mm for the mock draft industry. Big Businesses always booming for free agency. You know there are. There's that sort of window that lead leads into free agency. Where there's a bunch of rumors boomers people get into the rumors reports about where where players are going to go visit or not not even as much visit anymore? They don't even do the visits as much anymore until free agency starts to slow down a little bit at the start. Just you know all all the different reporters talking about what teams are interested did in which players and it's a time of hope for fans that they believe that their their team could position themselves to be much better your via free agency every single year. The salary cap rises and that means that teams have more salary cap space. It goes up by about ten million every year and that means the teams that more teams have more salary cap space every single year. So you know fans of teams and now with the advent of Websites like Like over the CAP DOT COM. You can actually check and see how much salary cap space. How about space your team has? And you're you know that that provides some hope that they'll be able to make a splash and add to the roster turnaround their their losing ways. I mean in the NFL really like it's it's really a you know. A few teams are good every year and they tend to be the same teams. You know sometimes teams will will rotate in and out. But you're the well. Run teams tend to run the show in the NFL. And then there's like a list of twenty pretenders And you know the fans of those pretender teams. Can you know that. That's the time for them to hope that the draft in free agency. Yeah for sure and I think a lot of fans some of them probably rightfully so think that they could do a better job than the. GM's right so they're like how could you give x guy you know ninety million. You should've gotten three guys for thirty million here and you know that. That's I. I think even more fun than the game. It's like trying to figure out if you could build a team a better than the actual jams are doing. And that's why we're here to play fantasy to obviously most people listening to this are huge each fantasy football fans just like us as well so I get it In reality though like if I was at GM Evan. I probably would not focus on frequency. You like at all I think. That most like splash free agent signings the high ticket free agent signings have really negative expectations. Right like you're typically paying for an older player who perhaps coming off an outlier year. He's definitely coming off of like Hungary contract here and now you're going to pay him now he's GonNa Change Schemes now. He's going to Change Coast coaching staffs. Now he's GonNa changes supporting cast is just not typically the way to build a team in football. I don't think it's not like the NBA where you can just like throw. Oh Kevin Durant on the Nixon immediately. You expect to thirty more games right. It's just not like that. So if I was building a team I would be Kinda bargain-basement hunting infringes. It wouldn't be looking to make splashes unless I thought it was like the final piece to my team so I don't know if you ever get a chance to GM which. I hope that you do one day What would your opinion beyond free agency? Well ideally all your players would be on rookie contracts right there four years. They're you know close to the minimum in terms of base salaries as you go up in the draft. Obviously you know you get bigger like signing bonuses and salaries a little bit bigger but you know beginning like in the third fourth round the the salaries are at minimum going through through the seventh round. So those are very very team friendly. Obviously you just have to crush crush the draft. No no teams crushed the draft. Some tend to a little bit better than others but it's a very very high variance kind of undertaking the NFL L. Draft. You know so you know I that would be your starting point but obviously you can't have your. That's never a realistic mystic scenario to have all your players rookie deals. So then you know you're GonNa have like your your mid to higher level guys that you ideally groomed and you know Brought up through your own system and you sign them to extensions right and then you know eventually. You'll have to pay your quarterback and he's going to be a break big drain on your salary cap but really what you would want. I think from the free agency market would be guys that are sprinkled in you know guys that are sprinkled in throughout route the middle part of your roster and even at the end of your roster where you can you know at the end of free agency you can get guys on two three year deals for for pretty cheap as a supplementary players or guys get cut you know like during like in May and June After the draft you know a team Drafts drafts a certain certain player Decide that they don't WanNa pay this veteran anymore. They get caught like Gerald McCoy dispatched year. You go pick them up for at a at a bargain-basement ACL. Mike Daniels was another guy But I think that really like the way to treat free agency is really how the Patriots on in it. And that is to go. With those mid mid range the lower-tier guys in every once in a while splurge on a guy like Stefan Gilmore. When you think the that's the guy that can help you put help put you over the top at a very very premium position yet our players if you go to establish the run dot com right now now you will find a tab that says free agency? There we have Evans top one hundred unrestricted free agents and a free agent tracker by positions. You can see exactly who's available available where they've signed for how much we're GONNA keep. Updating that as free agency heats up while still have some more free agency CON content. Coming to you guys as guy sign like how we think think they will affect Fantasy outlooks for players etc etc.. But today I want to talk to Evan about that restricted free agent list the top one hundred list that he has We're GONNA talk about some guys. We're talking about different positions. The one that I want to start with is a genus Winston and this quarterback situation because it was just such a stone layup layup like I mean I thought for a from a fantasy perspective and Jameis Winston was going to have a monster season right like the circumstances in Tampa were so perfect. You know run game. Bad Defense Bruce Arians scheme ultra ultra talents at wide receiver. And of course Jameis Winston goes off for five thousand yards thirty three touchdowns. I think other quarterbacks could put up those kind of numbers in Tampa. I'm not sure all would be aggressive enough to do so. Oh but I'm curious. If you think Tampa will bring Jameis Winston back. What do you think the market should be for Jameis Winston and who get in there to get the ball to the God himself and Mike Begins? Yeah I mean. The top of the quarterback mark is pushing thirty million. These days I think that Jameis Winston just because he's I mean he's you know. I think that the starting point would be what Nick foles got from the Jaguars this past year and I think the James Watson is GonNa get it whether it comes from Tampa Bay. I think that the likeliest scenario right now as we sit here today on on February fourth is that James Winston returns to Tampa Bay. Bruce Arians is a believer in him. I think it's a good situation for him. You know Entering UB entering the second year of the system. Second Year with Chris Godwin as a full-time player. Are you know. He's got a great longstanding report with Mike Evans they can still get more out of. OJ Howard who had a miserable season on the field. But I think that if they don't trade him which that could be a possibility. I think that he should be better in year. Two under Bruce Arians and Jameis Winston in just turned twenty six. He just turned twenty six last month. And I I think. Did you know that this the how he so turnover prone. He's been that way since Florida state and that's something that in the first year Bruce Arians was not able to coach out of which is a little bit concerning. But Bruce Arians like he he's been willing to live with high high interception quarterbacks in the past Carson Palmer with a bunch of picks in Arizona and I think that at the end of the day that's the likeliest scenario to happen now. There have been some rumors that Philip rivers could go to Tampa Bay but man. I think they'd Philip rivers is really really on his last legs especially down the stretch. This was not. This was not a good year for Philip rivers. Yea I understand the turnovers were so so bad for James. I would still take Jameson aggression and ceiling Over Philip rivers at this point. Tom And I think the play for Tampa is to bring back. Jamison also draft a quarterback. I don't know where they draft a quarterback but I I you know. I don't know anything about the current incoming class of quarterbacks yet but I think that they should be looking to draft a quarterback and keep Jamison selfishly for the got himself. Chris got when I hope that they do because obviously James Has a lot of faith in Chris. God and I I'd like to. I'd like to see them at a running back that they are willing to throw the ball to who in the passing game lick. Let's get Jameis. Winston higher percentage completions yet. You know like let's let's give him like a a a high percentage safety valve so where air. He's not you know. Having to pull the trigger on on aggressive vertical throws every time he drops back to pass they got no receiving production out of pain. Barber Dari Dori ogm boulay and Ronald Jones past season. Yeah maybe David. Johnson is a candidate to land in Tampa. I mean obviously on the outs in Arizona. And and yeah I thought due Johnson and Johnson Landon Tampa when he was on the trade market. Obviously Bill O'Brien paid like a third round pick to get do. Johnston barely used him but as a topic for another day. I think one one guy on your list that people wait is gonNA open. Is Hunter Henry at number ten overall. And I'm not saying I disagree with it because men win. Hunter Henry has been healthy. DUDAS DUDAS baller. He's only twenty five years old. He did have that lacerated kidney in twenty seventeen blood his acl in May of two thousand eighteen. This year. I thought when he got back last year are thought it looked really good in his usage was was awesome. So I'm not against it. You know Mike Reese actually probably the number one one A.. With our boy jeff of how beat writer for the Patriots suggested that Hunter Henry looked at your article and then suggests that hunter hand would be a good fit for the patriots who are in desperate desperate desperate need of past game weapons. What's your outlook on? Henry's free agency market. Yeah that's it just makes a ton of sense. Patriots were essentially playing going out there with ten men this past season I mean they. They didn't have a tight end. You know as Matt Lacoste and Ben Watson Watson who immediately retired after the season so that was a rough position for them. Hunter Henry can block. He can line up in the slot can line up and play in line. You can line up at wide receiver. You know he's he's one of the most talented young tight ends in the league. People talk about him as injury prone you just named his injuries. Those aren't necessarily indicative of a guy who is actually injury prone. Those are those those are indicative of a guy who's just had some bad luck Keenan Allen. You know early in his career. We don't really think of him as injury prone anymore do we. I mean he's He's played sixteen games in two the three straight years at this point I mean Hunter Henry was just a young dude. Any had some hard luck. Injuries just turned twenty five as you mentioned. He turned twenty five in December number and his versatility. That that's why I have him so high. I mean he's young. He's awesome any so versatile and I think that he's going to have a huge huge huge market. I mean we just you know the teams that play in the Super Bowl. They had the best tight ends in the league. You know The Eagles have I've been a perennial playoff team with Zakar. You know I mean these tight ends are difference makers and I think the Hunter Henry the difference Meghan. I think he's going to get paid yet. Mark Mark Andrews to on a very very good ravens team had a standout year while. We're talking about tight ends. I want to mention Austin Huber because Alzheimer's came off the fantasy radar radar a bit like no one was really on him was talking about him and next thing you knew you turned around like eight weeks into the season. Austin Hooper was fantasies number. One tight end. He's also only twenty five years old. I I was reading that. He's actually in command likely to command more than the franchise tag would be for tight end and that would be around ten million so I think it's a lot for Austin Hooper who I don't don't think really has big play like explosive ability but civil reliable you know caught one hundred and forty six balls over last two seasons. You Have Austin Hooper twenty ninth on the top one hundred Hunter Hunter Henry Tenth. Can you see teams trying to save money on Austin Uber but doesn't sound like he's going to be cheap. Yeah I mean I think that Hunter Henry is GonNa get a little bit more within him but I think that number could could come really really close. Those guys were born like a month or two apart draft in the same draft. Hooper went. What ah around after him around after Hunter Henry? He's in okay blocker. But that's not really game his game. He's a possession tight end. He's caught seventy seven in point three percent of his career targets which is outstanding. And he gets the Jerry Bark. They're awesome hooper. Yeah he's just. He's not on the level of Hunter Henry as a blocker in terms of his versatility in terms of like big playability. He he does have plus versatility and he I think he led all tight ends in a a slot catches early until he got hurt but Yeah that's Kinda the player that he is not not as much of a difference makers hunter Henry but I think he's is going to get a big big contract again. Really really young and he's he's gotten better every single year. Let's move to an unrestricted free agent wide receiver ver- that was one of my favorite players. Lead for a long time. But I'm worried about. Aj Green men aged green had very serious toe slash foot issues. Fill last couple years. He's only appeared in nine games over. The last two seasons also missed six games in two thousand sixteen with a bad hamstring poll like it's not great for Aj Green and maybe it's they didn't want to come back and play for the bengals. He knew he was going to be an unrestricted free agent. Maybe that's something to do with it. Regardless he's thirty two years old now I mean regards of everything and I think you can make a case that you rather have Robbie Anderson at this point than Aj green and that sounds crazy because AJ greed is just eight degrees right man. I mean yards per route. Run which is obviously I think and I know you think one of the best stats. I mean he's just been dominant with Andy Dalton in that category. Just such a good player but man. I think Bobby Anderson is on the rise. Angie manage. Green is on the decline. I'm curious how you compare and contrast those two and you have. Aj Green. I think on the list pretty high considering the injury concerns. Yeah he is pretty high. I mean I think that he's going to get a short term deal but a big deal like you know fifteen million a year or something like that. Twelve twelve to fifteen million dollars a year. I put him in that range. But I don't think it's GonNa be a long term breath. It could be like a one or two year deal. He turns thirty two in July. As you mentioned in terms of yards for outrun. I mean she doesn't eighteen. He was number seven among ninety six wide receivers in yards for route. Run that shows. He could still play the problem. I'm wolf there. Were a lot of problems in Cincinnati. This past year I. He had the injury in training camp. Right debt yeah and it wound up causing him sensiti entire season but there were like other circumstances that make made you wonder was. He really that injure injured occurred because he was supposed to be back. I think initially like four to six weeks but I mean the the bengals just lost like every game and no reason for him to return and he had this contract dispute and the bengals didn't pay him and it really made no set like they didn't even try got a trade him before the deadline is just like this is one of these dysfunctional organizations wearing Carson Palmer like retired to get out of that organization. And he's he's got You can go back and read comments from Carson Palmer talking about the bengals just like it's the worst. It's the worst. It's one of the worst organizations in the NFL and and Aj Green just never felt any incentive to go back in and play for this team that was just awful and Wasn't wasn't willing to pay him so now. He's a free agent he. I think he's GonNa Definitely get out of Cincinnati. I mean I think it's time for him to go and I think he knows that more than anyone and I do wonder how serious that injury really was now. He's you know it's been multiple years now that he's battled like foot and ankle injuries. And that definitely sends up a red flag but I mean I think at the end of the day like someone some teams some contenders gonNA take a chance on a might be the patriots. I mean But on a short term yeah and he and he ends up getting a lot of money in the short term. Yeah I mean. We saw the Patriots Adding Tonio Brown. You know they wanted somebody like that. Take a risk on a guy obviously didn't work out for mental reasons on Antonio Brown but AJ green is legit good dude or at least seems that way from here for other teams outside of contenders. Though do you agree with my take that you'd you'd rather have Robbie Anderson maybe that's too hot but like if you're not like knocking on the door was super bowl. I would rather take a shot of Robbie Anderson who you know in today's NFL. Is like exactly clearly what I think you want to have. Annie's ascending yeah. I mean you know I would rather give a four or five year deal to Robbie Anderson condense. Aj Green no question. Yeah and I mean also you get Robbie Anderson away from Adam gays. We've seen how many guys can erupt after they get away from Adam gays. Let's talk running backs and you know we. We're not here bang on running backs you know. I think that Derrick Henry Melvin Gordon seem like good dudes and for what they put their bodies through. They deserve to get paid aid. It's not doesn't mean that I think from a team building perspective you should be paying running backs A huge portion of your cap. I mean it's just not. It's just so obvious that you shouldn't it'd be you know. The highest paid running back in terms of guaranteed money right now and I got this from over the Cap Dot Com as Evan alluded to already Ezekiel Elliott. Who made case that? They'd be better off off with Tony. Pollard playing more snaps. Tog early is in big trouble. Lebanon bells in big trouble. David Johnson has been benched saquon Barkley was ineffective for most of the year and didn't didn't really make an impact on the team. Winning learn for net. I thought had like a really good year for him but still wasn't a factor team. Winning Devante Freeman is in big trouble jerk. McKinnon hasn't and played since he signed his contract. Like you know it's just hard. I think to make a good case for breaking the Bank on somebody like Derrick Henry or Melvin. Gordon I think you no you got backlash from people who don't really understand people saying how you Derrick Henry is the best running back in the. NFL How can you have him fortieth on the top one hundred running back list. I think most the people listening to this understand. Why but you have? Derrick Henry Forty Melvin Gordon. forty-seven and I I want to add. I want to add one thing to. I'm not against paying running backs like Christian McCaffrey and like those kind of guys contribute in a way of the modern. NFL that is really really valuable. I think when you start getting into guys is like Derrick Henry and Zeke and I don't know even like you know Lenny and and I it's different right like McCaffrey. Kamera are just like different fring kinds of players so anyway. That's a long way of saying I think you're ranking of Derrick Henry. Bevan Gordon are right but there could be some team establish the run out there. That's dumb enough to break the bank on these guys. Ey what's your take on. The overall state of running backs and dark Henry was such a polarizing topic down the stretch Yeah I mean I love Derrick Henry. You know like I love him. I've I've loved him since he came out. You know but I think that we've seen what we've seen a about. Derrick Henry. Is that If you have Derrick Henry on your team you have to build your team around Derrick Henry You can't use them in a committee with you. Know John Lewis like that. Ain't gonNA work. You have to build your offense around Derrick Henry If he's going to be your starting running back because he is a guy that needs a a Lotta carries in a game. I mean that's the way that you maximize them you know. And you're you're not going to have a pass first offense because there's so many coaching staff going back to nick. Saban's coaching staff Alabama. No coaching staff. I mean the titans have been through several several of them. No coaching staff at the college. The pro level has ever determined that he is like an a- passing game asset. So you have to run first team in that puts limitations on your team it puts limitations on your quarterback it puts limitations on. You know just the fact that you're running you're running so many more run plays which have a much much lower value than than pass plays do and you know you have to build a defense. That's going to limit the opposing scorn. Because you don't you don't score points with the running game in the NFL. You know You're scoring expectation is limited. That doesn't mean that Derrick Henry isn't a bad atas because he is like I'm not denying that what you have to play a certain way when you have Derrick Henry and that makes you limited the the reason that they're ranked ars because it's based on The entire top one hundred is based on how much. I think that they're going to get paid in free agency running backs. Don't get nearly nearly as much as premium positions like defensive back in even offensive Lineman like Jack Jack Conklin Dirk. Henry's right tack was going to get a lot more money than Derrick Henry is. Is I think in free agency But that's why they're ranked where they are. Because I think Melvin Gordon will come in like the seven to ten million dollar per per year range and I think the Derrick Henry will be like in the eight to eleven million dollar per year range. And that's why they're at forty and forty seven. It's not because as you know. I don't think that they're good or something like that. Although I think that Melvin Gordon is really close to like just a perfect like replacement level kind of you know every down back But yeah that's where I have based on expected salaries for a twenty twenty. Yeah and I. I'm curious about the Melvin Gordon thing because like one of my hot takes before the year was awesome. Ecuador would be a first round. Pick in twenty twenty fantasy drafts. I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. Because they'll likely bring it in early down back or they'll use Justin Jackson in that role but yeah I mean if you play dynasty I think Justin Jackson are both Pre strong holds right now one to mention one more running running back on the list because Kenyan drake was impressive. Kenyan drake was impressive for this car knows team down the stretch displacing David Johnson. In and kind of holding off chase edmunds as well. You have Kenyan drake projected to get less money than Nelson Galore than Danny Amendola than than Randall. COBB BOB I would personally rather Kenyan drake those guys even though wire shears are obviously more valuable. But tell me you're thinking can drink like Ken. Grace going to get way. Way less than Ed. Melvin Gordon I'd rather have can drink from a team building perspective. Oh me too. I think the Kenyan drake will be like right around five or six million a year. Randall Cobb God. This year pasture played for one year and five million. I don't know if he increased. You know I just think he's in that same sort of rains like maybe four to six million a year. I think that that's that's where that's where those guys probably are. And that's what I think the Kenyan drake. I really liked Kenyan drake. I mean he's really really explosive. He's an excellent receiving coming back He's been really up and down as a pass blocker he is never an enemy. Came close to carrying a full load for a short time period. with Arizona in the second half of the season but in his career even going back to college he had He never had more than one hundred. It never had more than like ninety. Six carries a season at Alabama and. He's never been like a true works back so I don't think he's going to. You know even come close to what Melvin Gordon. Derrick Henry get in terms of salary but I do think that he could be a good value. Pick up I mean. Obviously we both really like him. He's he was great and fantasy. Hennessy he was a great fit was great system fit in Arizona. You're the cardinals. Finished number two in rushing offense by only the ravens they one of the best running games in the League league and Kenyan drake was their best back. I think he goes back to Arizona. It's crazy that they finish their and David Johnson had such a dusty year. You know it's just like man. What what a mess Leeann is kind of what I was talking about the beginning when I said if I was the. Gm what I would do. I would get Kenyan drake in a fourth-round running back and be happy with my running back room. You know what I mean like AAC just is what. It is art. Let's talk about some of these quarterbacks because obviously quarterbacks are going to get the most money the most attention The unrestricted free agents. Right now are are Dak Prescott Ryan Tannehill drew brees. Tom Brady Philip rivers. MAROTTA Teddy Bridgewater Dak Prescott. I got we'll be back with Dallas one way or another either by contract or by the Franchise Tag Chris. Mortensen has reported that Ryan Tannehill. We'll be back with the titans a one way or another. I soon probably by the tag then. It starts getting a little bit interesting although not really I'd be shocked if drew brees didn't come back to New Orleans and like drew brees still played in a really really high level last year. Man I understand. They had major disappointment in the playoffs. But do brees was. I thought really strong. I think from fantasy perspective. I probably underestimated the impact on hill would have in a lot of these breeze games where I was playing juniors ton and then just like. It's so tilting to watch tastes. I'm he'll we'll get the red zone work and I just I just can't take it And Yeah Yeah and I mean tastes on played so well in that playoff game. I could see them. Have you been more packages for next year. Here Tom Brady. You know your comment on Tom. Brady and the top one hundred generate a lot of hate from the Tom Brady Troopers I think. It was just being honest at this point. It's difficult difficult for Tom. Brady to elevate his teammates and it's not like not seeing Tom Brady is bad or he doesn't deserve the accolades that he has had in the past like it just is what it is like. He can't make Phillip Dorr set and Ben Watson look like superstars So I don't know man. I think Tom Brady back with New England. I'm I'm not sure that Well maybe it's the best. It's probably the best that they can do but man is just like going to be sad. I hope he retired before. It's like really really really sad for Tom Brady. But where do you think. We're Tom Brady right now. Your I mean just just. We're just where I I had them. I mean I I mean you know. He's he's number four and like that made some people mad patriots fans but I mean he is just like he's like a bucket of guys like Dak Prescott is GonNa get the franchise tag it worse Ryan. Tannehill is going to get the franchise tag. He's right next to drew brees. And then you know you drop down a little bit to Jameis Winston and Philip rivers and all those guys are going to get like At very least like twenty million a year and you know somewhere between twenty and thirty all six of those guys. And that's why they're at the top of the list and then and then we dropped down to you know. Oh Non quarterbacks and it's Amari cooper he ain't going to get twenty million a year you know. So there's like a teardrop after those six quarterbacks and Brady's just in that tier and you know there was a report that the Patriots are willing to pay him thirty million dollars a year to bring it back. See Bob Kraft is the kind of The Wild Card in all this because as as the the legend has it according to wicker Shams a report report a couple years ago Bob Kraft was the guy who essentially engineered or offered up a mandate eight for bill belichick trade. Jimmy G. They were not going to move on from Tom. Brady so you gotTa Trade Jimmy G. and that's why that's part of the reason why the forty niners Israel to get Jimmy G. for a second round pick when you know he was probably almost certainly worth a first and they got in the Patriots. Got Below market value value in return for Jimmy Garoppolo. So Bob Kraft. Is You know he is in Tom. Brady's corner I think until Tom Brady. Decides is to retire and having the owner in your corner like that. That's really really good Financially for Tom Brady if he's trying to Max out at the lake. He's been playing on below market salaries for forever. And now it sounds like he wants to be paid as maybe the highest. Or one of the highest payed quarterbacks in the NFL. Yeah and from a fan perspective. It's just hard for me to see the Patriots having explosive pass game and explosive offense with Tom Brady at this point his career. And I know people don't WanNa it just it. Just is what they can win. So there's still a ton of games this year with an excellent defense and just being smarter than everybody else but in terms of explosive pass game. I don't really see it. I wanted to mention engine. Marcus Mariota and Teddy Bridgewater just from a talent perspective. Do you think either. One can be bridge. quarterbacks should be looking Mariota or teddy to be a starter or in any sense in unrestricted. Free Agency yeah. Was Marcus Mariota truth or for too long. After he began his career with two really promising seasons and then he just went through. You Know Bunch of different coaching staffs and I mean it just. He hasn't been a good player for a while now but he is still very young he is a guy that's mobile and I think you really struggle with confidence over his final few seasons as the titans starter and I wonder if a change of scenery could help a guy like Marcus Mariota. He has a pretty good skill. Set in theory. And he's a smart guy and I think that you know maybe just I relocating to a place where he can become more comfort. He was not a comfortable player in Tennessee. He had a bunch of you know kind of fluky. Injuries Reese in Tennessee as well which stunted his development I mean. He's I think that he is a guy that like. You know he he will he could he could like bounce around for out and then you know. kind of have a resurgence. When he's you know h twenty nine to thirty three or something like that and we? We see that happen with quarterbacks Fairly often and I think that if he goes to the right situation I I was thinking that he might be a good fit for the bears because mark immediately after the season because Marquel Fritsch was their offense coordinator Matt Nagy but they ended up. Firing Marquel Fritsch so Marquel for twisters coach Oregon. So I'm not sure exactly where wear Marcus Mariota is going to go but I do think that he's a guy that I would like to take a chance on if you know for a relatively affordable short-term deal if firework NFL team so maybe come in and compete for a starting job Or maybe just to come in and be like a high upside backup for me if if I can fit him My salary cap our last two things. We're GONNA touch on here before we get Outta here is going to be a couple sleepers that we like and some guys. We think are likely to be overpaid repaid in free agency for me one. That sticks out his sleeper Paran. REPAIRMEN I I mean. People think we're shy pyramid. Just like some geek off the trick. He was the first round. Pick of the Ravens. I think he ran in the fourth. Threes at six to a shop. Perriman is. He's a sick athlete and you saw when he had a chance down the stretch last year after Mike Evans got hurt. After Kris Godwin got hurt Bouchard. Perriman was not just running like clear out routes and and getting Lucky Bershad Perriman was running slants. Sharon was running comebacks and running them and being really effective with them as well. Obviously it's relatively easy or easier than most look good in Tampa. Bay's pass offense but man I think parents laws a ton of talent and if he's going to be way way way cheaper than the guys like Robbie Anderson and and Amari Cooper and AJ Green. I think Rashad Haromid would be a really nice pickup What do you think about that one? Do you have any other unrestricted free agents sleepers. You WanNA mention. Yeah I love that call and I think that Bershad Perryman You if you look at the top of the wide receiver market and some of those guys are GonNa get resigned. And you know it's GonNa make it even thinner. I don't think they were brisk RISHAAD PYRAMIDS GONNA RESIGN TAMPA Bay And I think he's GonNa hit the free agency market market. You know when we look back on this like he he I think he could get a really big deal like a surprisingly really big deal He put at some some good players on tape in Cleveland the season before as well. He's quietly been playing like really well for the last like season and a half or so And he's still young and as you mentioned he's got all those you know he was the son of Brett Perriman who was like a really distinguished US longtime a starting receiver for the the Detroit. Lions retired Perryman. Had A litany of really bad hard luck injuries early in his career and I think at that certainly slowed his development hughes another guy who I think struggle with confidence and it was. It was very very clear and I think he started to regain some of that. That's why you see him playing at the level that the ravens. It's expected when they drafted him in the first round. A guy that I wanNA mention was James Bradberry She is contract is up. We haven't heard almost any buzz about him all talk about other free-agent corners. James Bradbury has been a guy who has lined up and shutdown Mike Evans He six foot one to to eleven. He's got thirty four inch arms. I think you know. Part of the reason that he He ran four four five coming out of college. I think. Part of the reason that he hasn't generated a ton of buzz was it just because people don't really know know about him. I mean he's a guy who came out of Samford who's like a fringe second third round pick Coming out of the draft he. He's not like a flashy guy by any means but he and he's he has played in a in a predominantly zone defense underrun rivera. But he is. I mean he's done man coverage like work as a cornerback matching up with opposing number one receivers. He's a great guy to be because of his size. This is a great guy that have on one side to deal with the bigger receiver. And then you compliment him with a faster corner like which the panthers. The Panthers did with Dante Jackson the Carolina And I think that you know He. He's a great complimentary corner. Maybe not a true true true elite number. One cornerback but I think that the era was still up. Our Museum is twenty six and a half years old And I think that he's a guy that might not. I don't know we'll have to see how the market goes but I think that he is a guy that is is worse like ten million dollars a year to be you know maybe lower end number one corner a high number two corner on your team. Yeah I mean as has the NFL modernizes towards more of this past game pass centric. I mean you're going to need corners like James Bradberry man. I mean it just. There's so many wider riders every year. This wide receiver class coming out of college is allegedly like the best in the history of the NFL. And I feel like more and more talented athletes are playing the wide receiver position. And you're going to need corners to match up with them okay lasting. We're GONNA talk about most likely unrestricted free agent to be overpaid For me it's Ryan Tannehill. I I and maybe he gets the franchise tag. I think that would probably be the right. Move for the titans. But I would be very sceptical about giving Ryan Tannehill a long term deal based on what we saw in a very very very small samples from gambling lot and playing fantasy. All that we're trying to do is find out figure out what's luck and what's at somebody's actual baseline and you know like Maybe Ryan Tannehill can be this most efficient quarterback in the history of the NFL when it comes to red zone offense when it comes to efficiency you know I'm skeptical so I would not be breaking the Bank for Ryan Tannehill right now if somebody's going to go out there and give him with three or four year deal jio where he gets. Twenty twenty five million a year. I think they're going to live to regret that I think though title probably ended up franchising him so I don't know what do you think's GonNa can happen with with Ryan Tannehill. And do you have any other unrestricted free agent. You think ray likely to get overpaid. Yeah I think that he is going to get franchise tag for sure and I mean I like him in the offense though and I really like the guy who really flew under the radar this year was Arthur Smith Titans offensive coordinators in his first ear. He really generated very very little buzz but his play action rate was super super high. He played to the strengths of his offense consistently insistently. He realized that. Hey you know. So many coaches before him Matt Leflore Malarkey A bunch of different coaches before him did not not realize that you know Matt Leflore finally realized that can the final month of the season that you have to be Derrick Henry and build your offense around when you have a player like that and he finally did that for the entirety of a season On and his play action rate was one the highest in the league. So I like Tannehill in that system but yes but I think the best strategy is certainly for them to Put the franchise tag on as opposed was to give him like a long term deal for hundreds of millions of dollars any Anything's GONNA get onto overpaid Cloudy maybe Stuck out to me anybody else. Yeah I think that Jack Conklin because if you look at the rest of the offensive tackle market it's just it's barren fine so jack conklin sticks out like a sore thumb and he was a big part of Derrick Henry success as it a run blocker right tackle. He's only twenty five. He's he's not a good pass protecting offensive tackle in that if you or I were. We're building a team. We would likely prioritize pass protection but I mean this team used double tight end sets at one of the highest rates in the league. I mean they they use three tight ends I mean they. They had three tight ends heavily. Involved in their offense offense even after they lost Delaney Walker and it was Johnny Smith and Effort Daddy furniture and Mike. Michael Pruitt So he had tied-in help at one of the highest rates in the League you kick but as a as a run blocker but his age At he's he's so young he's only twenty five years old. I think he's GonNa get paid really really really big money and I think that he is a guy that on. TV If they if they. I plan on just leaving him out there on an island against some of the best pass rushers in the league in a Lotta the best pass rushers in the league. These days are lining up against right tackles tackles Jack Conklin Could be a potential free agent. Bust all right. We have said it all in regards to an introduction to this year's twenty twenty unrestricted free agency class again. Please be sure you are subscribed. It's free to this podcast. We will continue to Be Releasing podcasts on a weekly basis. And we're also working on the XFL. I've spent most of the last two weeks immersed in XFL which You know somebody you might think I'm crazy but I've actually really really loved it so I'm excited about that. GO TO SAVETHECHILDREN DOT COM to check out our ex F. L. options so four Prettier Luke for Evan for Jerry I am Adam. Good luck everybody and it.

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Could Kyle Van Noy make a return to the Patriots? | Alex Barth | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar

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Could Kyle Van Noy make a return to the Patriots? | Alex Barth | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar

"Hey everybody. This is Evan Lazar. And you are listening to the Patriots beat podcast powered by the seal honest media podcast Network and brought to life by our great sponsors at bet online. I'm joined as always by Alex Barth of 98.5 and Alex just before we hit record on the Pod today this breaking news on a pre-recorded broadcast. It doesn't get any better. We can breaking news, you know sound effect or something. Maybe we can add that and post just before we sign on to talk about all things latest news in the page. It's off season moves the Miami Dolphins informed the linebacker Kyle Van Noy of his release Vannoy, obviously formerly of the Patriots kind of made his career with New England and thought that deal in Miami, it wouldn't free agency last two offseasons ago because of what he did with the Patriots. So this is obviously a domino effect here that Van Noy could easily end up back. New England I think we could have saw this coming that the Patriots and Venoy talked about this at length that Bill Belichick really used him in the best possible way and got the best out of his skill-set because of the usage in defense and then he goes someplace else and he was still productive for Miami, but they obviously felt that the contract did not match the production and they said they saved nine million dollars with this. So right, you know in a year where Cap is tight. It's certainly understandable. It's not that he fell off extremely or anything like that. The other interesting angle here is we discussed the potential Patriots return for Kyle Van Noy has normally in one of these scenarios where former Patriot or clear Patriot Target ends up on the market. And you say he makes sense for New England. You also kind of have to talk about, you know, the satellite campuses of the New England Patriots Day right now Detroit's no longer a satellite campus map. Patricia's out he's not going I mean probably not going back to Miami like those satellite. Maybe the Giants would be the only one left, but yep. Talking about you know competition within the Bill Belichick coaching treated get him if Bill wants and he's not fighting off his other assistance to get him. I think would make a ton of sense. I'd change if we have the tape if we can go back and pull the tape from when we the first time we worked together clns when Vannoy left I said and I said this all over the place Kyle Vineyard to me screamed like that Patrick Chung Jamie Collins type of player where he comes to New England is Chung's first didn't wasn't great but comes to New England proves to be, you know, a quality player goes elsewhere chases. The money doesn't have the same success in another system and it comes back for a second stint and really solidifies his legacy as Patriot. I can totally totally see Kyle Van Noy following that track and it's playing out here. I don't think it's going to cost the page. It's a ton to bring him back. Like I don't think his Market is going to be too robust. And then on top of that they have the money if they have to pay him a little more if they want him back. They need linebackers. They need veteran XP. It's linebackers. This should absolutely be a conversation the Patriots should absolutely be in on Van Noy, I wouldn't be surprised if Calvin was the patriot by the end of the week, you know, cuz he can sign with any team now. They just took him so it's automatically an unrestricted free agent. Just like JJ Watt was he doesn't have to wait till March 17th assign with a new team the Patriots have that need like you said for a veteran linebacker. I think that Thor linebacker in the draft when you just drafted o j and Jennings it's kind of more of the same unless you're going to go up in the first round and get Micah Parsons or save and Collins or something like that that's going to come in and make a day one impact your life looking at the same sort of trajectory for their careers. Whereas been knowing, you know, as a plug-and-play starter for you on the edge and that was really where his career blossomed is when Bill Belichick early on in his career with Detroit them an inside linebacker off the ball for the Lions and it was a world change a position switch for him in college. He was an edge rusher rushing the past or said in the end of the defense playing behind the line of scrimmage are on the line. Image and that was where he really felt most comfortable and then he goes and he and he transitions obviously to inside linebacker to do his size yard with that Ledic ability at the pro level and it didn't work out in Detroit and he was a failed second round pick with the lions at the Patriots get for absolutely nothing one of those Bill Belichick pick swap swindles that he has done in the past becomes the New England Belichick puts him back on the line of scrimmage in a 3-4 defense has an outside linebacker and everybody's making these my my Grable Rosie Colvin, you know, whatever one you want to use kind of comparisons at this guy that can play a little bit off the line a little bit off the line extremely versatile guy really smart and terrible guy that really started to pick up the system later on in this Patriot Square as well and Bill Belichick talked about that too of how smart of a player think of a player Kyle Van Noy became so 2019 the boogeyman his last season with the Patriots been noise was a really really good player for them. Led the team in quarterback pressures goes ahead. Paid by Miami and here we are that he's a free agent again. So it was a little bit of an interesting ending. I would say that van noise Patriots tenure that 2019 season obviously didn't and any way that anyone was home active but I remember standing in the locker room on that the day after they lost the Titans speaking to Kyle Van Noy and we all left that day saying, oh this guy's chasing the money, right? There's no way he's back here next year. I'm going to go after the biggest contract possible in the free agent Market. We all thought that Miami was a possibility to throw it was a possibility again with Matt Patricia end up in Miami for I think it was almost thirteen million dollars a year a really big free-agent contract. It just felt like the writing was on the wall form at that point that he was going to go ahead and get paid and take advantage of how well he played a New England. But yeah now as a different story and the Patriot gas cap space this this move makes all the sense in the world to add him back with Dante Hightower and give them some veteran Presence at that edge position. That was I would say arguably the worst part of their job. Last year was setting the edge of the defense John Simon Chase winovich really struggled in that role of annoyed did not so I think that this is an easy one and easy one to decide that they should go after him I would get sick and I guess I'll just to backtrack something I said cuz I saw somebody I can remember who points us out on Twitter. There is I guess technically one more patriots satellite campus out there now that's down in Tampa and they do have some linebacker wage depending for agent. So maybe that's competition but it's a different scheme that right, you know, it's not the like the Patriots gave me add two braids becoming more and more the coach. He might take over the defensive side of the ball at some point, This is Todd Bowles of the defense is a very good defensive coordinator. He just won the Super Bowl basically, so I think the other thing was going down there I will mention is that maybe more so than brown noise extremely close with Robbie G as he calls him Rob Gronkowski those who were really good friends in New England. So maybe if you're looking for a Tampa Bay connection, I think it's actually be on Brady wage. It might actually be wrong that could really appeal to Kyle Van Noy again. I think the biggest thing is though is that he knew that Bill Belichick optimized him here in New England. He knew that his skill-set was best song by Bill and I remember he went on I can't remember I think was a Bleacher Report podcast or something like that where he said, I got to New England Bill kind of gave me like a three-step plan of how he was going to use me in this defense fact. I kind of had an epiphany of like, wow, this guy knows exactly how to use me correctly. This is exactly how I should have been playing my entire career and he really turned it around with the Patriots. This would be an awesome move for the pass. This is exactly the type of player the type of situation that they needed somebody that they have a past relationship with that. They can bring in to add to the front seven. I couldn't really think I had never thought of this was a possibility cuz I think he actually had a pretty solid season, you know, you just as a you know, we did last week the cap casualties as a cap casualty. They have Andrew van ginkel who isn't Vannoy but isn't a bad player at all. Solid player so, you know, there's not a nine million dollar gap between the two of them. It was worth bringing up the nine million dollars. That's just the reality of what this offseason is going to be in the NFL for most often not all of them. There's a handful of teams to do actually have some cap space under the lower salary cap, but you're going to see players like this like Kyle Van Noy quality players coming off of good years. In fact, even Thirty like he's not I don't think so. Cuz the Patriot bolt in his on his rookie contract remember from from Miami from Detroit, excuse me, when they made that trade he was still off on his on his rookie deal. I mean and I think the insurance yeah, he he turns Thirty March 26th, right? So, you know age isn't an issue here know age isn't an issue. I would assume as well that it is probably going to be one of those situations where the players going to take a one-year deal to try to reset his value. This just screams exactly what Jamie Collins just did with the Patriots right? Yep. I think there might have been a little bit more than what they paid Collins is last time around but the screams that situation where he signs a one-year deal back in New England where he knows he's going to start and he knows he's going to produce an easy transition back into the system for him. He knows everything ins-and-outs of the defense like the back of his hand. He's going to have a great season with the Patriots if he comes back. Yeah. I know we're talking about like it's just a done deal. I guess not it's it's on be up to him, right? You know, it's obviously going to be up to him if he wants to come back but it didn't end on a poor know. I mean obviously engine or not in terms of the results losing to the Titans and the Wild Card round was not what you had in mind but it is typically did not play well in that game. Yeah, it didn't end poorly with the coaching staff didn't end poorly. Would Bill Belichick, you know, there was no sourness on either side. It was just that Miami came out and gave this Godfather and type of offer to hit Kyle Van Noy and free agency that the Patriots just never were going to match. But I think it really comes back to the fact that the Patriots have like we've been saying they have those young linebackers and Luce and Jennings that are those developmental pieces. If you add another game, you know, if you add a fee Warner if you add somebody like that in the second to the third round, it's kind of the same thing, right? You're still going with young inexperienced players. The annoyed gives them a guy that has been having done that won a Superbowl understands how the scheme is around and understands his role within it. That's why it makes so much sense is that when you look at it for team, this can be sort of a Reclamation project for both sides, right? And you look I mean Hightower we think is coming back from the opt out. The report is he's coming back but beyond that, I mean, they're next closest blind back or he's kind of in that gray area, I guess in in terms of veterans John Simon. He's a pending free agent. Who knows if he's coming back. So if you lose Simon, then you have high tower coming off a year off. You have Bentley who has like thirty something at a field games under his birth. And then a bunch of rookies or second-year guys start bringing. This was a huge problem last year. You mentioned their linebackers specifically on the edge where one of the main issues I think a big reason that was an issue is you just had a ton of guys who it either never played in the NFL or played only a handful of snaps in the NFL you did that to position where experience is huge and they didn't have it. They had Brandon Copeland for like four or five wage is mostly on special teams. Then he got hurt. They didn't have that that veteran presence against shilique Calhoun kind of was in that role at one point. He's hardly what you would consider, you know, not a bad player, but he's hardly a log into NFL veteran. He's a departure from the kind of you know, veteran leader taunts a Hightower as Kyle Van Noy can give you some of that. So not only does he help schematically, I think just having him in that room would be incredibly valuable to the team as they try to develop the Joshua Casey Anthony Jennings, Terez Hall, like whoever absolute no-brainer, I think from the Patriots perspective. The question is it says van dog Want to come back or the Patriots going to be willing to pay the money that he might be able to get on the open market but from New England perspective and absolute no-brainer. This will veteran linebacker moved that they kind of needed this off-season, right? I didn't really think that they were going to be too interested in the Levante David or even the Matt Milano at their price tags, but the noise on a one-year eight million dollar deal to come play Edge for them so that they can develop food chain Jennings behind him that that's got no brainer from a patriot perspective written all over. Well you what let's play this game you're talking about the value. So Vannoy on his previous deal was scheduled to make twelve million dollars over the next three years. So that's just why you don't do math on the other. That's three. Would you give him like a three year Thirty million dollar contract 36 million dollar contract wage. I probably would I don't know if Bill Belichick would go there for pass-rush usually doesn't pay the pass rushers Chandler Jones Richard Seymour Kyle Van which whatever level of degree you want to go with them. Usually those guys get paid elsewhere not in New England, but I do think that the Patriots again do not like you've been saying they don't have a ton of Veteran presence of that spot and wage is definitely the type of guy that could stick around for a couple of years and give them that and it would really mitigate some of their needs on the edge of the defense and not force them to either overpay somebody else and free agency that's never been a scheme or go out in the draft and use another high asset another top-100 pick on an edge rusher. Remember I mentioned in Jennings they also use the top 100 pick on Chase winovich. So they've tried to hit that spot in the draft three times now and they've gotten some good players. They've gotten some good prospects, but those are developmental guys, you know, when if it's maybe not so much anymore because we kind of know what he is, but certainly with you J and Jennings home on the developmental stages of their careers. This is a ready-made starting NFL Edge Defender and Kyle Van Noy who just had a huge season with the Patriots not too long ago. So and again he had a good job. Is in get a good season Miami so it's not like, you know, you're not getting him cuz I see people on Twitter right now saying Jamie Collins and they got Jamie Collins for it wasn't it? Like $900,000. It was it was nothing like me, really did not you're right. I know this isn't quite that there's certainly a parallel and I'm not saying you can't draw that parallel, but you can't when it comes to the contract. Kyle Van Noy was not cut because he's not good player hitting very good player last year was he playing up to twelve million dollars a year? Right a $14 cap hit maybe not was he playing his like an eight nine ten million dollars a year linebacker. Yeah, probably is he going to get that in free agency the Market's down, you know, as I kind of look here at this contract a little further. So there was an out after this upcoming season so didn't use the out here. They're going to have to eat the dead money, which it looks like is a lot is also only like four million, so it's not too bad, but you know you factor in the out you split the difference. Can you get him for like two years twenty two million two years twenty-three million that feels realistic to me based on the deal JJ Watt you're signed and and what he's been in the last five years only playing 16 games twice. He hasn't played eight and the other more than eight and the other three, I would give Kyle Vander like a two-year ten million dollar twelve million dollar year contract and that's not a totally foreign for the Patriots either. They don't pay big for Edge rushers, but they will go out and give a linebacker that kind of middle term deal in the in the times where they really need one. And like we said took a number of reasons in terms of putting together the depth chart in terms of Veteran leader. They need that guy. I don't think that's unrealistic for vendor. I think that could get it done like 2 to 23 something like that like that feels like my question is a linguistic ballpark. Yeah, just a wrap this up. My question is today even need to do that because this is going to be an offseason with the cap situation being that what it is. A lot of these veteran players are going to suck. One year deals, right A lot of these guys are going to sign one-year deals for modest money and they're going to bank on themselves so that when the cap resets in 2022 and goes back up to over two hundred million dollars. They can then go ahead and make that big money deal. So from Van Nuys perspective. I actually think that the best thing for him to do is kind of 1-year deal in the right ball out and then go and sign another big contract and free agency after that. That's the parallel to Jamie Collins, right? It's nice too much that Vinoy is at that level of where Collins was before. 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Don't forget to use that promo code clns 50 to receive a 50% Welcome bonus with your first deposit. All right, we wanted to talk about one more place a news here before we move on to our free agency offensive preview. We did defense last week. We're going to do offense this week non-quarterback still cuz we talked so much about the TVs the other piece of info. We wanted to talk with Jason La Canfora saying that NFL Executives feel that Stephon Gilmore is basically trade bait nap or New England and he's going to be traded at some point in this offseason would have liked him for his name. It was a foregone conclusion is basically what he is hearing of Gilmore being traded we've talked about this one briefly, but maybe not as in-depth as we could this seems like a really strong possibility that's been happening for a very long time last training camp. The Patriots had to give him an advance in his salary to get him back into Camp as he was unhappy with his contract. He puts his house on the market because you know right around the trade deadline the end off deadline last season, he doesn't get moved. They tried to move him or had conversations about moving him before the draft as well last year. So this is a long time coming that Stephon Gilmore and the Patriots are parting ways off. Yeah, and it I don't know that it made sense for them to like need to do it enough at any of those previous points. You mentioned it makes sense. Now, he needs a new contract. They're going in another Direction, you know, giving a thirty-year-old cornerback. Twenty-five Thirty million dollars a year, whatever it's going to be. It's just not where they are as an organization right now. So it makes a ton of sense at this point. The question is how do they approach it? Are they going to look at a player for player wage in maybe you find a player on another team who's in a similar spot at a position of need right corner is not exactly that kind of position need for the Patriots. Is there a wide receiver somewhere is is their safety package where who's in this kind of same spot that they can just essentially trade problem for problem or do you go into the draft? That's what I would do. I wrote about this last week for 98 five The Sports Hub, You can check it out. I think what you have to do with Gilmore. Look at what the Vikings did was to find Dick's last year. They traded him for it and it was a bunch of pics but we're just going to highlight the trade him for a first-round pick. They then use a first-round pick on the same position. So, yes, you give up an established veteran but an established veteran who wanted out and in exchanging it younger at the position yet more affordable at the position if you hit on the pick, you still suck. Player, obviously that last one's a big if but you know digs was under contract because I think had for years left on a five-year do when they made that trade. He's also younger than Gilmore and wasn't coming off in the injury. So the values not quite the same the Vikings. I think they moved into the top fifteen right? Where was Jefferson taken or he was eighteen twenty to Twenty-One. Okay, great before the Patriots because you remember the Patriots were on the phone right now to check they make you take vitamins make a big for Justin Jefferson the Patriots traded out of 23 like 30 seconds later. So I would say that again in some sense the value wasn't clear but I would argue Gilmore just inherently as a player is more valuable than what Stefon Diggs was at this time last year just being a cornerback. Obviously, he needs a new contract that doesn't help. So a first-round pick may be a stretch but a team I'm looking at is the Green Bay Packers. They're sitting at number twenty nine. It was made painfully obvious as fear evident that NFC Championship Game. Just rear Alexander And as good as he is and I think the world of Gerald Sanders a corner. She needs some help on the other side. It's not going to matter. Right right yet hover every receiver on the field. He can only cover one guy and co-workers are they need to sell out? They need to go and make a run. Aaron Rodgers window is closing, right? So, can you get 29 for maybe Gilmour and you throw a fourth or fifth in there something and I used that pick on a corner. Maybe it's Asante Samuel jr. Or somebody I've seen mocked there, you know something like that where you mimic the Stefon Diggs trade another team. I think that now should be in play Life on Gilmore. They weren't until yesterday is the Arizona Cardinals because they're starting to build up quite the roster but they're missing one thing a secondary. They have budda Baker who's good. But you know Patrick Peterson isn't quite Patrick Peterson anymore. You know, they they have an agent Byron Murphy. I you know, I think that's something where can you get a first-round pick from a team that's just desperate in will overpay for Thursday. Corner, and then they're a little bit higher in the draft the Cardinals. I do remember exactly where they are but do the same thing flip that and then maybe you're in the JC horn conversation or something like that. That's how I would approach this if I was the page. So, I think that the Patriots kind of I think they they by kicking the can down the road on this trade. I think they eliminated all hope that they're going to get a first-round pick for Stephon Gilmore cuz he's only under contract for one month or year. It's not even necessarily the age of the injury. It's that you're trading for the player to then pay the player and give him a monster contract on top of the fact that you have to flip an asset for him. So I wonder if the best possible scenario for them and I think there are some things that are in play in the Top fifty, you know, maybe Dallas trades their second round pick to the Patriots for Stephon Gilmore, but I actually would call Dallas and try to create a deal around Michael Gallup and Stephon Gilmore. Maybe Dallas gives you Michael Gallup and 1/3 and you send back Stephon Gilmore to to the Cowboys those player for player swaps. I think it need to be in the conversation with them. More because they can take like you said from an area of strength that cornerback and address a need at wide receiver and get a veteran wide out in here because I think the draft pick as we know and end of the first draft it can be a crapshoot, right? It can turn right as quickly as it can turn into Logan Mankins it can it can turn into n'keal Harry right and you just don't know what that laws are down over us are dealing with the second round. But yeah, yeah, that's what we're getting at. So the question is is is that is that really the rep that you want to go with such a great player like Stephon Gilmore not knowing exactly what you're going to get in that draft pick is a little bit dicey number. I think the benefit of it is and we I wrote about this a few weeks ago is that there are some cornerbacks in the draft especially near the top of the draft. We're really really prototypical Patriot type of player Patrick Stewart is probably going to be a top ten top 15 pick but he's definitely a patriot type of corner, press 15 to 25. Maybe. I don't know. It depends on who you ask for. Now on Caleb Farley has a lot of people dead. Spooning as well because of his athleticism. But either way he's going to be in the top ten top fifteen of the NFL draft JC horn I think is another guy who might be the most physical Corner in the entire draft, right? He plays a really physical brand of football both against the past and in run support he can tackle he can really play press man coverage. He's got fluidity. He's got all the man coverage skills in the world that you're going to want to stop all skills is. Lengths. He went to South Carolina just like Gilmore, right? You know there there's a lot of things that he resembles in a patriot type of corner as well. So there are guys in the draft especially at first round conversation at fifteen that the value is going to be there and the skill set and the translation into the Patriots defense is 100% going to be there now. None of us really want our closing time for the Patriots to take the corner in the first round necessarily, but if they lose a guy like Gilmore, they need to have somebody in that spot that can start and play productively right away. You can't really go off. With all let's see what happens with Joanne Williams at that spot or let's put Jason McCourty there at that spot of his age. I think that's a losing proposition. So somebody next to the other side of Jesse Jackson may be a ready tailor-made corner and I think it's there's a bunch of options in the first round there that I just mentioned. I don't know if Farley is necessarily their type of guy. He's pretty raw but Patrick's aren't and JC horn in particular two guys that definitely check a lot of boxes for the Patriots. Yeah. And I mean, I it's an interesting point about Gallup you kind of just trade one need for another I I'm still you know, I think they can get a first-round pick them trading in to the top fifteen within they're not going to do that. But again a team like the Packers that the windows so small, what does that first round pick really do for them right by the time that guys ready to go off is Aaron Rodgers even still there? Okay. So like I look at that and I think it just makes all the sense in the world for them to bring in a veteran. There's not a ton they can do with that pic. I know you have to figure out the cap side of it but the dog As Belichick lights to say can be maneuvered so I'm not I don't know like if you trade for a guy like Michael Gallup, right who you just brought up then that's uh, you know a one year for one year Thursday. Are you residing if you can sign Michael Gallup to an extension, I guess I'm more behind it. If you know you're going to do that. But if you trade Gilmore for a first you draft a corner, that's a four to five-year investment. That's a guy, you know, you're gonna have as you go through this to to rebuild that you that can kind of be a Cornerstone of the defense if you treat Gilmore for Gallup, you're giving up a Cornerstone who granted you might lose any way for guy. You might lose you still might lose anyway, and then you're just back to zero, I guess maybe going to throw around cam pic. So I'm just I guess I'm more interested in the long-term right now and to me if you can swap him for a pickup understand there's risk, but I just like the long-term upside of that and I trust Bill Belichick to identify a first-round cornerback. Maybe not a second round cornerback. I already mentioned reside Dowling but in in such a good corned number. At year, right? I trust him to go out and find the right guy there. Yeah, and it's an interesting trade because I think the Patriots are going to pull off a trade this offseason. This is just a gut feel like that's a little bit creative right? I don't know if it's going to necessarily be that traditional. Oh, we flipped Jimmy Garoppolo for a high second-round pick, right? I don't know if it's going to be that way because I feel like if she has a Green Bay, maybe it's like a second round pick and Green Bay is got a bunch of receivers. Maybe they send a receiver a part of the package do to incentivize the deal for the Patriots, you know, something like that. It's a little bit outside the box that's sort of like an MBA trade where you're trading players and picks. I feel like that that's sort of how the Patriots lead to think right now because they might not be a super attractive destination for some of these free agent wide receivers were about to talk about they might not be able to entice Hunter Henry to come here with their quarterback situation or a Curtis Samuel or will Fuller to come here with their quarterback. Situation, so maybe they have to think a little bit outside the box and that's a really good segue into our freeway. Hang on real quick. You won't hear sure Devin McCourty just tweeted at Kyle Van Noy with the eyeball emojis wage for the two of them and Patriots uniform. I'm telling you it just Emoji season. Maybe it may not have it happen for everybody because then I can easily come back here or have another 60 pressure season rushing the passer for Bill Belichick and go ahead and get a very similar deal that he just got in Miami for another team. It just it just has all the makings of them return in in the world. Let's talk about these free-agent offensive players though as I mentioned off the top of the show. We're not going to really hit on quarterbacks, but I do want to tell you guys that we're assuming that Dak Prescott off on Robinson Chris Godwin and this one's a little bit more fifty-fifty, but I think the lines are eventually going to attack Kenny golladay as well. So I think those four guys are all going to be Franchise Tax, so we're not going to talk about them birth. Talk about people that we not talk about demonstrate targets when it comes to Dak Prescott Italian trade situation. I guess we could we could I don't I will say it again cuz I haven't noticed a million times so I can find it when it happens in a call back to it. I don't see a world where Dak Prescott can self respectively play Under the franchise tag for the Dallas Cowboys. I don't see it and after all he's given that organization the injury and all of that and a quarterback empowerment what's going on do get paid get some long-term Financial Security or cherries going to tag, you know, there's it's a hundred percent guaranteed forty million bucks jobs are few signs of tender is forty million dollars Richard. That's why you in here and I think it's important that Kirk Cousins talked about this well little bit about not being afraid of the tag as a quarterback right wage because you can actually make more money if you signed two tabs and then the three-year deal after that for franchise quarterback money you end up making more money than you would if you just signed a deal in the in the short-term, I think. Cowboys and Dad Prescott her headed sort to sort of a little bit of a standoff here because Jack wants that deal. Obviously. He wants to get Patrick Mahomes level money. He's not going to get that right off quarterback, but he's not Patrick mom, so he's not going to touch that but you want thirty-five forty million dollars a year and I think the sticker shock of that regardless of how highly they think of that page in the building the appear sticker shock of that I think is too much right now for Jerry Jones right to really sell himself on paying one guy thirty-eight million dollars a year for the next five six seven years. I just don't think Jerry can stomach it right now. And and that's going to be the problem for Dallas with deck is that deck is not going to commit to anything less than what he's worth as he shouldn't and they're kind of heading towards an impact there, but let's drop the deck. All right, you know that you want them to sneakily go after DEC I get it. Let's talk about Hunter Henry here though for a second and who is projected to make sure? 5 and 1/2 million dollars per year on the open market as the top paid tight end in free agency. We know Bill Belichick loves the guy. We know he's been watching him since high school and all that kind of stuff and he is your prototypical white. I didn't write you can put his hand in the dirt and block you can run around from in line or detach from the formation. It runs really good Ralph breaks at the top of his route. He's very clean at the top can break off of options and stuff like that. That's what he did with the Chargers a lot when he is healthy. He's a pretty good red-zone weapon as well. So you understand why he is going to make as much money as he's going to make I actually think the money is a little bit on top of what Hunter Henry himself is said personally about the quarterback situation needing to be good and the situation around him needing to be a certain level of of contention. I think money factor is actually going to play in here with under Henry because the Patriots did just take two guys in the third round at the position. Are they really then going to take that and then allocate a lot of decent amount wage? Cap space to a tight end as well. So now you have to top one hundred and one picks a 12 and 1/2 million dollar tight end three guys that you're kind of invested in that one spot when you're really only going to play one or two at a time. Yeah. It's going to come down to the money and look you can say he wants to play for winter. All he wants JJ Watt said that and he signed with the Cardinals who aren't bad, but they're not, you know Contender, they're not a top-level team off if the Patriots want Hunter Henry they have to pay them the most money, right? It's that simple and whether they will or not, you know, I don't know that you put him in the situation with I think if you if you really want Hunter Henry and he's how you fix. Your Tite you think he's how you fix your tight end position you right off Devin asiasi adults and Keen is just operational losses right in that is what it is. You're going to stick with those guys and they're fine backup tight ends and off the the idea is if you give what was it twelve million dollars a year for how many years was the projection there about four years twelve and half million dollar deal. It's it's essentially the same as what other guys like Austin number and people of that level I've gotten in the fridge inside and Market just obviously relative to this year's cab. So we'll call like a four year 55 million dollar deal. If you're if you're giving Hunter Henry a four year 55 million dollar deal with the idea is you're done adding it tight end for the next four years. So and I I said this right when we talked about drafting tight ends that I think that whatever tight end they add this year. That's it the conversations over your job done so they have to hit on that like if you under Henry, yes, you can't add any more but in theory, that should be fine because you have Hunter Henry in your okay. So like I'm not worried about that I would think a.m. Wouldn't be worried about that cuz you're not signing Hunter Henry with the thought that shoot now. We can't add any more tight ends. You shouldn't need to that being said if they really want, you know, a better second tight end on top of it than this is not your guy. Then what you need to do is sign a Gerald Everett or trade for Zach ertz, and then get back into the draft and try to get one of these top-tier tight ends. That's how you build that way. And then maybe you cut bait with Dalton Keenan some point to free up the roster spot. I don't think you can look at when it comes to the draft. I think you can look at Asia Asia and Keen as stopping the addition of a tight end because three tight ends on rookie deal you really tied in now to guys who are not sure things Hunter Henry injuries aside is as sure thing as you're going to get so if you're bringing him in I'm not worried if that closes the door in the same position because it should be closed. You shouldn't need to add another tight end if you get Hunter Henry, but again if they want to get them that projection was what twelve and half over forty years. It might take 60/4 bath. Not only are you going to need to pay him the most you're going to need to pay him significantly more since he's coming to a situation where there's offensive uncertainty. You might need to pay him $15 a year is he said that he would be if he didn't get hurt a lot. I can tell you that we know the Chargers medical staff is like I want to say a mess. That's underselling it one of their one of their traits just punctured to starting quarterbacks lungs and it was like, oh this isn't the first time something that's dumb has happened. So, you know, maybe Hunter Henry is not injury-prone. Maybe the Chargers just suck ass at keeping them healthy, which that certainly lines up right every year. There's one big charger injury and training camp. McCain has been hurt his entire career in Allen. Who is Casey Hayward. You've got hurt like four years in a row off like it's it's even trickier there cuz you don't know what the real injury situation is. But again, they're going to have to pay him and pay him a lot, but I wouldn't let that I wouldn't let that stop me cuz I'm He solves your issues at tight end as well. As any option. You're going to get this offseason. Yeah, I agree a hundred percent with that. It wasn't interesting thing about Hunter Henry is quarterback comment was is that does that mean that he doesn't feel that Justin Herbert wage is a good enough quarterback to bring him back to the Chargers. I don't know if he necessarily meant that but say that the quarterback has to be good and he's willing to kind of shop himself in free agency a little bit kind of suggest that maybe he doesn't feel like a rookie or a second-year quarterback. Like Herbert is moving the needle Forum he needs to go to a situation where there is a proven veteran commodity at any of those teams have cap. None of their teams that have those wage except. I think a lot of guys say things when they enter free agency, right because it's really easy to say something when you don't have the dollar amounts in front of you again, look at j j y if he really wants I go to a winner and it was about maximizing his career. He would have played for $900,000 for the Pittsburgh Steelers lined up next to his brother. They would have had the best defense in football. But what do you have you can say all you with? When there's fifteen million dollars and twenty five million dollars sitting in front of you on the table, you know, a lot of stuff just goes right out the window. Yeah. Yeah and Hunter Henry like you said I think is a plug-and-play player that fills all the needs that you needed at at out of a tight end, right? You can be a matchup weapon. He can be a blocker he can do a little bit of everything, you know is not necessarily as versatile as a guy like Johnny Smith your birth to talk about here in a second, but he's definitely checks a lot of those boxes. I just wonder if he's going to want to come here. I wonder if the Patriots are going to be attractive enough if Bill Belichick gushing him about him and saying much he loves them all the way back to high school is really going to be enough of on top of the fact that they're going to offer them the money. Is that going to be enough to learn him here. The next name we want to talk about is Will Fuller house who is going to be paid. Hey despite his injury history. The projections are still having him at over around sixteen Seventeen million dollars a year. That sounds like a whole lot of money for a guy. That's never. Yep. Field but when he is on the field, we're talking about a game-breaker, you know, a game-breaking vertical threat that is one of the best vertical threats in the entire NFL at just creating separation over the edge of the defense of getting behind the defense. We're talking about somebody that can really burn on the inside in the slot or on the outside. Not necessarily a scheme touch guy. Not a ball-carrier like a Tyreek Hill, but just a traditional straight line. I'm going to meet you in the end zone type of player. It's a lot of money but the Patriots desperately need somebody like that that can do that those sort of things. Yeah. I just think with them, right they look at value our how do they value their not you're not getting him for what? Is it? Six games? Right? Yeah suspension the first six games of his contract and he served he survived those games at the end one. It's one game. Okay, so then yeah, like maybe he's an option I again with I just I I've said this before he's going to be probably top three paid received. Free agency, right? If not top five. I you know, if you're going to spend twenty five million dollars at that position give me a $15 guy and a ten million dollar guy instead of just 125 million dollar guy. That's just thought, you know, the Patriots need more than one receiver more than one established receiver. Can they go to the draft sure, but what are they really have four nfl-caliber wide receivers on this roster? I you know what Julian Edelman status is going to be during the year. N'keal. Harry obviously is still a project to Mere bird is a third fourth receiver. Maybe he's not a guy you count on a Jacoby Myers is the closest thing they have and she's even you know, he he shouldn't be your first receiver. He should be your third or fourth. So right there you need at least two. If not three guys, if you spend all that money on will Fuller all that's going to have to happen is we'll Fuller's going to get double-covered and yeah, Jacoby Myers has a slightly better year than he did last year, but you're kind of just right back where you were they need to have Optimum. They need guys who will stress the defense from different points blowing twenty million dollars on will Fuller. Well, he's a good player doesn't solve that it needs to be multiple players. They need to build an offense not just a bulb talent and what it's going to cost them to bring in will Fuller I think handcuffs them in acquiring some of that second level talent that they ultimately need to get back into contention. Yeah, I agree with all that. I think the biggest thing was off though just to play Devil's Advocate is that the Patriots have been the slowest offense in the NFL for two years, right? They've been I would say even arguably three years if you want to go back to the 2018 season, even though I'm with a Superbowl not offense had issues certainly during the regular season that time that's a really big issues and will Fuller when he's healthy and that's that's a big if if he's healthy he comes in here and he brings a level of explosiveness that they have not had since I guess Brandin Cooks, right? They they just haven't had somebody that can truly explode and create big plays for the offense. Yep. Willful are can that's what they need. They need a big-play threat and will Fuller is one of the best and he's an unrestricted free agent and he's available that that's sort of the conversation there. Next guy on my list. Here is Juju Smith Schuster who I think if Juju Smith Schuster did none of the tick top stuff that none of the off-field trash-talk didn't stop on dance on logos and all that kind of stuff. If you just looked at Juju Smith Schuster on tape and you said with the Patriots be interested in this player. The answer would be a hundred percent. Yes, but something tells me that Bill Belichick is not get a a wide receiver $16 a year. That's just as interested in making Tik Tok videos as he is preparing for his next opponent. Yeah. There's a commitment question there. He also the last Steelers receiver granted completely different kind of person the personality issue or if it is at this point. You're not sure though, right like did some of that Antonio Brown juice rub off on Juju because know did they hate each other? Okay, and JuJu wasn't that guy because he's you know, he's a second-round pick the risk of the concerns coming out of USC about his speed and his ability to separate and stuff like that and he came in and he worked his butt off and made himself a a really good NFL player that's going to get paid this offseason. But now all of a sudden he started reading, you know, his own press clippings a little bit got a little bit D but him and he's kind of changed a little bit more towards that and Tom Brown Diva wide receiver mentality. Yeah, and again, like different different personality issues. But the last dealers receivable brought in didn't exactly go swimmingly. They're still literally paying for it off. You know, you mentioned the work ethic is there. Yeah, cuz he's not the player. He was at USC. We know he knows how to make himself a better player that one to me comes down to a meeting. I can see to embellish am interested but it's going to be you know, can can you look Juju Smith Schuster in the eyes and see yes. I'm going to you know, I'm going to tow the company line. I'm going to be what you want to be. I think the the concept that busy Spell check sucks all the personality out of his players is a little over right Rob Gronkowski. Look, he's not the guy he is now in Tampa, but he was able to have a personality Tom Brady certainly social media page later Years in New England was able to have a personality which seemed like JC Jackson talks a lot. Yeah, we don't talk about it. But he what did he say before surgery training camp last year. I can cover anything else. He talked about Juju after that. He I don't remember that one. But I remember that I can cover anything. Yeah. Yeah, you know, he does talk a little bit Ginger tell us a lot though, you know, it's basically the whole, you know, Bill won't cuz he uses shows social media. That's overblown. I I do think there's an element of it to dancing on the logo stuff right bills not going to want that. The one thing he does one is bulletin board materials. So I think it comes down to conversation and basically, you know, his pitch to Juju is I can get the most out of you. You did a really good job growing your game I can help you with. Keep growing it, but you need to cut back somewhat on the social media. Does he believe we'll Juju agree to that and we'll build trust Juju to agree to that becomes the question but there are no Jews a special talent. He's not a unique talent. There are other guys for roughly the same price. We're going to give you roughly the same thing. They might not be as young but how many receivers truly get a second contract the Patriots. So that might not be something bills worried about but he can go elsewhere find guys who can give him the same production bill can who aren't going to be dancing on logos. So that might be, you know, kind of like the breaking point for that one. Yeah. That's the biggest thing. I think on the positive end for JuJu's first of all, he's got that great inside-outside versatility the guy that ran out of this lot a lot in Pittsburgh, but he can also Play On Em outside and he's a learned how to get fast enough and have enough first off the line of scrimmage that he can win with body positioning and contested cat situations down the field. He's a lot like a player like in a job. For instance who doesn't necessarily create loads of Separation every single time he goes out there but he gets enough of Separation that once the balls thrown to him that he's able to adjust to it and box out at the cash money to make plays on the ball down the field and that's how we gets productive and that's how he gets his yards. That's how Juju plays I remember when the Patriots drafted n'keal Harry. I was like, okay best case scenario. He's like a wage type of player that can move inside or outside and use his size. That's what Juju is already been and usually I think it's only twenty-four years old because there's one of the younger rookies in the NFL when he came in four years ago. So we still have a very young player as well which can often be appealing to teams knowing that you're still getting a guy in his mid-twenties instead of somebody that's pushing Thirty like someone like a Marvin Jones for instance. It can be 30 31 may be appealing to a rebuilding team like JuJu's 24, you know, that's definitely a big difference. So I loved again the player fits like a glove here in New England, you know, he's a perfect fit for the Patriot system. It's just that the character and and kind of the make up of the player not sure necessarily that checks that New England boxes. You going to try to buy in and is he going to adhere to the Patriot Way? It's definitely a birth mark Corey Davis is another receiver that I wrote down that I think he's a lot like Juju in some senses in terms of his playing style. But he's a little quieter than Juju Smith, right and that sort of maybe more up their alley, he's around that fifteen sixteen million dollar range as well coming out of college people thought that he was going to be a super Dynamic route-runner. It actually turned out that he is more of a vertical route-runner on the outside that wins it contested situations as well. But it really works the vertical route tree and the sidelines extremely. Well. This is a guy that I kind of calm to like a better version of like a break for the Patriots come in here and play that X receiver position extremely. Well another guy that's relatively young twenty-five twenty-six years old looking at a second contract right now. I think that they do The type of player that they could go after that might surprise some people, you know, it's sort of like that Stephon Gilmore contract or a wake up one morning and met and they signed Corey Davis to this really nice contract at that age takes Everybody by surprise, but I don't think it should be as surprising as we might think cuz he's sort of a notch below those guys that are going to get really paid still kind of in the middle though and has had a thousand yard season on his resume. Yeah, he's again, so to go back what I said before when I talked about like the 15 million and ten million dollar guy and start building the offense like Corey Davis is the exact guy. I look at here. The guy who's going to give you something don't have he's going to be consistent. He's done it before he's an experienced NFL receiver like you plug him in and then you go go to Speedster on the other side, you know breshad perriman is the name that I'm always down to throw out there. Like now you're building an offense Corey Davis is a guy where he's going to give you the production. He's not a world-beater right people are lining up to play as Corey Davis and mad and even though he's a good player. But you add Corey Davis you add another good complimentary piece you bring in that tight end all of a sudden you're building an offense. You're putting it together. You're getting a guy you can rely on to produce game a game out. It's not a crapshoot of you know, is he going to have one catch on 10 targets? Whatever. Is he going to get a Target? Is he going to get open? That's what it was all year last year with everybody Corey Davis is going to put up numbers. He's dead. Produce he's not gonna be a superstar but he's going to help you move the football and that is just with the Patriots need right now. They need multiple players who can help them move the football through the air Corps Davis is one of them and he comes at a price where you could go out and get other guys that will help you move the football. Yeah, the Patriots and really missed for a long time. Now, I would say that true boundry receiver a guy that can win on the outside against man coverage and create enough of of Separation out there to work the sidelines or a comeback route or a post route or a dig route over the middle of the field from an outside alignment. They sort of had it with Josh bulb. But obviously, we know that situation I was its own thing. Right right good for him though. We're starting with the FCF by the way good for hope it gets back to the NFL at some point. If you're looking for what Corey Davis is rolin what his routes what it looked like in New England though, it's Josh Gordon's Rowland r a tree right a guy on the outside your own slant. So you're going to run digs. You're going to run post and vertical rats. That's what the Patriots also need a job. Top of big plays and explosiveness somebody that can be out and I really like your point about just that consistent. Okay, we know that we can pencil in Corey Davis at The X 4 weeks 1 through 16 and he's going to be a good player. Right? Like quite catch is 80 yards and touchdown you're going to get that week-in week-out again, you're not going to win MVP doing that but it's it's it's building. You gotta walk before you can run. Yeah, and I you know, if you go out and sign out and Robinson and try to get a 1500 yard receiver and then you don't add anything else defenses are just going to double and triple Allen Robinson. He's not can get fifteen hundred yards and you're stuck where you were last year wage you build that all up you go out and get talented pieces and then you try to figure out a way where cuz this is how the Patriots won four years outside of you know, the Randy Moss Sarah people talk about Brady never had any doubt. He never had any Supreme Talent when you put so much talent on the field and you stretch a defense so thin right cuz they're this here defense. It didn't have to worry about anybody outside of maybe Jacoby e So they could you know neutralize him more if you've got to worry about I'll use the early two thousand seems as an example cuz the Patriots are doing that throwback thing now on Twitter. So that's been in my head. If you got to worry about Troy Brown in this life David Patten and David Gibbons and and you've got Kevin Faulk in the backyard, right all of a sudden now you that's less you can do on each individual guy. It's it's a little bit less. But if if the club on each individual guy gets a little bit lighter overall that makes those players better. So if you put together a whole offense and not just one Superstar each one of those individual players are going to look above their level because none of them can get that Focus that you get right like two years ago when it was just Julian Edelman and that was it and Gronk was gone and brown was gone and Gordon was hurt. That's what happened seems just took it in on Edelman. He caught a hundred passes, but they couldn't really do anything because teams basically figured out if we hold that home into this we could do it without expending too many resources elsewhere and they can't beat us with anybody else. That's what you want to avoid. Just Allen Robinson. Just Kenny golladay. Even if it's just Juju cuz he might be in that 20 million dollar range, right? If you have just one of those guys teams will say. All right, we'll take Highway, you know, go beat us with damiere Byrd. Go beat us with this. Udfa go beat us with that particular areas name and I go beat us with n'keal. Harry is what teams will say and they said now know the Patriots how these ads they're constructed can't do that. So let's take Corey Davis and my last name on my list and let's pair him with Curtis Samuel and what now you have a job in Corey Davis is going to play the X it's going to play outside and you have a guy in Curtis Samuel has your Z off the line flanked or whatever you want to call it receiver that can move all around the formation. I actually found at 3 a.m. From way back when Curtis Samuel was in the draft. I didn't I didn't remember this until I was searching my handle with Curtis Samuel's name for a video and I read realized that Curtis several used to play running back, right and that was his name. No role in college and his initial position in college. So he's got vertical ability at 431 speed and he's got bulk carrying ability with a running back background. So he is your sort of Swiss. Army knives versatile guy off. The line is from a jet. You're moving around. The formation Davis is your outside guy with your one-on-one coverage winner. That's an offense right. Now. You're starting to have complimentary pieces Curtis Samuel right off it around nine million dollars for David speaking 16 to Corey Davis to give 9 to Curtis Samuel here at that 25 for two is what we talked about all the time right now. You have an offense now, you have two complimentary offensive weapons that are going to be difficult to match up against that are going to be able to create mismatches across the field because the Patriots are going to be able to move those guys around and be creative with them exactly. That's what we're looking for. And you know, I think then you add a tight end to that whether it's Henry and now you're kind of spending a lot of money, but you're gonna have a pretty good offense or it's trading for Zach ertz, maybe yep. I like Tyler eifert who I don't thinks being talked about enough. I think I've heard, you know, he's played on some irrelevant teams radios in Cincinnati. And then he was with Jacksonville last year. Just you know, they're black holes their football black holes not really seen him, but he can play is he Henry know is he hurts based on what we saw last year if that regression holds he might be about that level, you know, you added him and now you have you know, not an elite number one side end, but the number one tight end and then Jacoby Myers, you know now suddenly there's a role for him. Now if Edelman comes back even though he's hurt he can maybe play a reduced role a situational role where there's less of a workload you figure out you sure you're doing it running back cuz James White's free agent, like now, you're putting it offense together where again if you spend twenty million dollars on Hunter Henry and twenty million dollars on all sides effort. You have a ton of star fat power but especially without a quarterback like that's not those players are hard to defend and Hunter Henry and all Shaun Geoffrey. But if you just add Hunter Henry and all Sean Jeffries the last year's Patriots offense. Yep. That tough to defend their not that much better. I think with those guys like the reason why I love a guy like Samuel as I mentioned the versatility in the ball-carrying. That's the type of player that Josh McDaniels always figure out a way to use right and I don't think Curtis Samuel on his natural ability. If you just line them up in the slot or you line them up outside. He only had a 851 receiving yards for Carolina last year. He's not he's not going to you know, wow anybody right? He's not going to go off or fifteen hundred yards just off his own natural ability, but if you get him with an offensive coordinator like McDaniels who knows how to move guys around who knows how to create mismatches for guys who knows how to create foot races for players that are fast like Curtis Samuel then you can maybe get a little bit more production where I could see him having, you know over a thousand yards, maybe Eleven Hundred yards when you had rushing yards or behind the line of scrimmage type of plays and stuff like that. We're talking about something here with him, and I think that he's going to be very affordable is the other thing. Maybe you got the maximum out at like 10:11 million phone number. You're just to get the player because of all the kind of competition for my thing that there is going to be out there. But I think type of guy that's not going to break the bank but the Patriots are going to have a unique way of using in mind already and might be a little bit different than you know, Curtis Samuel you run left Corey Davis you run right and everybody get open right? That's not necessarily what parents are going to ask a Curtis Samuel. So she was exciting. Let's talk about these last two tight ends are up against it. So let's do them quickly here Johnny Smith. I already put out a video said, he's my one of my top targets for the Patriots another chestpiece versatile guy, you can still play in line and put his hand in the dirt and block you can still do anything really on the offensive side of the football. They play them at running back a little bit in Tennessee, which you know, Bill Belichick's like salivating over them, right possibility of playing a six foot three 260-pound tighten it running back has got Bill Belichick all giddy. So I didn't use the type of player that plays a lot of different roles in the Patriots offense, and yep. One guy that could do it all you can play why in line you can play in the slot. You can play sort of that age back off the line role as a tight end a fun player if he comes here to New England. Yeah. I just don't know off like he's not what they tend to look for in Titans, right? They want those bigger six foot five six foot six tight ends. The shorter tight ends. They get generally are much quicker. I wouldn't say Smith is exact a speed demon. He's like, he's unique he's kind of I can't compare him to somebody he's built like who the Patriots have had cuz again, they just don't go after that guy. Like, I don't think he'd be a bad player. But again, I look at a guy, I forgot who just kind of fits their more traditional mold. Would he be a bad player to break the mold for no certainly not I think he can play but he just doesn't seem to be he doesn't seem to have some of what they look forward to position namely in terms of size. Yeah decides thing is an issue, but I think the guy that you don't want to mention that he kinda is like is Aaron Hernandez and but he's not that fast he's not as quick or dead. Is he he's a really great player after the catch. I mean that's what he's won consistently up near the top of the league amongst tight ends in terms of yards after the catch per reception. He obviously doesn't have the table at the Target share that a guy like a Travis Kelce has for instance where you could really rack up raw react totals, but just in terms of creating with the ball in his hands, he's really really good in that department. I don't know if he's dead a quicker as kind of agile through his route brakes as a guy like Hernandez was but he is that player that you know you go and you watch her Nana's old tape, they really obviously they had drunk so that that's part of the package he was somebody that they were always constantly moving around. I remember them running him having him run routes as a running back out of the backfield at times, you know, that's the type of thing that you could do with John who is kind of harken back to some of those Aaron Hernandez little wrinkles in the Playbook. I think he definitely fits that archetype. But again, I think a lot of that in the Gronk one, I think a lot of that worked because they had Rob Gronkowski. Yeah, and you don't like Johnny Smith is number two, I think makes more sense for the role that he would play. You don't want your loan tight end in the formation lining up in the back and like I don't know that that makes a ton of sense. And the question is is if you compare ja Tu and let's say they actually believed in Devin asiasi as an inline option because obviously did block pretty well last year, right, but then like your your number one tight end is your second best friend. I feel like you're just getting into this really weird cuz they're they put a lot into the pay structure. Right and all of that and John is going to be your highest paid tight end. He's going to be your best tight end. We're going to have him essential filling a number to roll. I just think that there's there's boundaries there in terms of how they usually operate and I'll say cuz I say it every show I have to say it take a drink cuz I said they're going to be uncharacteristically aggressive. So maybe they break the mold this year, but I just think there's boundaries to how they usually operate to make jonnu Smith a tough sell a little bit outside of their traditional birth. Boxes that need to be ejected. That's right, but they love versatility. They really do versatility. They love guys that they can move around he can certainly do that. Last one here Gerald Everett. This is now back into like the affordable tight end mark. Gerald Everett and five million dollars presents a ton of value because with the Rams their offense is really run through their wide receivers in their backpacks. It's not really a very tight and heavy offense. It didn't have a ton of opportunity playing in that big bass scheme. You give them some more opportunity. He certainly got some receiving skill. You can watch it. You can see it when he does get the chances to gain any can block a little bit. I think that Gerald ever it's a nice guy to kind of look at it what he could become in a year or two in a different system that really, you know, kind of amplifies his skill-set at the tight end versus what I was doing with him where he was really a fourth or fifth option at best. Yeah, I I like eifert kind of like you said because of the upside. I think he's a guy that talked about checking boxes. He checks a ton of the boxes for the Patriots in terms of size in terms of athleticism. He just dodged necessarily have the resume given a ton of opportunities. Some of that was a system. But again, he's more there's a question with that. There's a risk with that. Is he a number one tight ends don't know for sure. And if you add him that's it, you're done adding tight ends. You sign him to a three-year deal your risk essentially really handcuffing yourself into not having a number one tight end. I wouldn't I don't think that's a bad move to sign him. But if it's in for three years versus again, I keep going back to I forgot like eifert for a year who has done it and granted he's back slid a little bit but he's a good Mentor to the guys who had a room all of that. You can do it for a year. Then reassess suddenly. There's rookie deals are a lot easier to get out of you can really rearrange things. That's what I'm looking. But if they signed Gerald Everett, that's a good signing that's ultimately wage. Signing it's there is an inherent, you know, I don't for me. It's either I feel like I've been on both sides this either want them to take all the risks or wanting to take no risks the risk, whatever it is. Like you don't know that he's a number once I tend I heard in theory has done it. He had it down your last year, but he was in Jacksonville. So does it count? You know the whole team had it down here if she was I for his in his injured off the time he's got a really extensive injury to his right? But I mean if we're talking about Hunter Henry then she died and he did play sixteen games last year. I think he's played sixteen games last couple of years. So Gerald everything the interesting thing about him is just that if you want to see what maybe you still have an Aussie Osteen Keen arrival, by the way, I purchase just one game in the last few years. Okay, so he's been more durable as of like if you'd like to see what you have in Asti Asti, and Keen still than ever. It is. Not a 12 and 1/2 million dollar player, right? So if you sink five million dollars into Gerald every and debit Asti Asti ends up out playing game. Then so be it sort of right and you're not going to come in multiple years of guaranteed money. I you wouldn't think to a guy like Gerald Everett anyway, so maybe it is an only one year thing, but it does buy you time and it is an upgrade over like the Matt lacosse is in the rain is those are the world where you do have a serviceable NFL tight end to put in that spot while you develop the second year guys. So maybe that's sort of more the theme of okay. So if he's only here for one year as sort of that stopgap and that's great if Asti Asti ends up being good or Akeem ends up being good, right? Yeah, that's a good thing for the Patriots and then you can move on to every whereas with Hunter Henry or Johnny Smith you sign those guys to ten plus Million Dollar Deals. You're you're stuck with those players for a couple of years. And those are your guys for a few years and you're essentially giving up on any home and team developing to number one tight ends ever. It is more of like a complimentary piece to that group than necessarily the star that's going to surpass that group automatically as soon as they sign so that's why we went there. Yep. Average affordable guy we didn't mention I didn't have time to get to Marvin Jones another player that I always have liked him for the Patriots. But that issue I have with Marvin Jones that he's going to be Thirty-One years old. I don't know if they're in the market for thirty-one-year-old wide receivers anymore. You know, you don't have Tom Brady where you're in a win-now Super Bowl win. Do you know maybe a few years ago Marvin Jones would have made a little bit more sense. You are a fake Tim Patrick Robert tonyan, you know, those are guys I think that we should mention at least before we sign off here, but that's a good list, you know, if you do need wide receivers or tight ends. There's been a lot of free agent classes that have a talent and it's it's it's a good year to need a pass-catcher it is but you never want to need a pass-catcher, but if there's a year to to do it, I'll let me throw one more thing cuz this is why you always has it in breaking news when it's pre-recorded. So this just now from off work Kyle Van Noy has played his last down for the Dolphins, but a release won't come today. The team will try to trade him first. So sorry if you listen the first twenty minutes of the show, I guess I mean, it doesn't matter. Don't know who's trading for his contract. I don't think that you know, maybe the Patriots are probably the most likely team to trade first contract to give up like a sixth-round pick right for his contract, but maybe that all becomes irrelevant. How funny would it be if the Patriots just did the exact same thing that they did to get Kyle Van Noy in the first place to Detroit a trade at 6, and they get back the player, you know from a conditional perspective or something. I forget exactly what the pics swap it was but it was a pic swap trade to get caught up in I believe in the first place. Maybe they can pull something off like that with my enemy but the contract comes into play then right then because then you're picking up the contract if you acquire it would be a trade-off. So my guess is that the Patriots are not going to make a move on Kyle Van Noy utilities outright released. I doubt that they would trade for that contract and they wouldn't pay that contract glass off-season, you know, if they were going to pay them they were like, you know, so I guess I I don't think any like who does trade for him who is out there right now in a year where everybody's cats strapped saying I want to pay a lot a line back or fourteen million dollars, right, you know a non talk to your linebackers in dog. He's not he's not changing what so right, you know, I still think he ultimately has free agency. Well that about wraps up this show. We were very excited to break down that breaking news out of cloud that knowledge that one. Do you have fun? That's all that matters that someone makes all the sense in the world. Hopefully we hit on at least one name that we talked about today that ends up in a patriot uniform in a couple of weeks Alex and I will be back up our live Q&A edition of the podcast on Thursday 3 p.m. Eastern always on Patriot's illness or Patriots YouTube channel of Patriots, press pass as well. So make sure to look out for that on Thursday. We can answer your questions and talk about more offensive targets for New England and then we'll be back on the pot again next Tuesday talking more patriots free agency. Maybe we'll hit on some of their own free agents cuz there are quite a few guys that are set to be free agents from the New England perspective 26 players from the Patriots roster last year granted not the best roster in the NFL by any means, but twenty-six players is still a big number so we'll talk about some of those guys. Next week as well Q&A on Thursday, but until then signing off for Alex bars. I'm having Lazar. Thanks for watching.

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Cooley & Kevin On WFT Free Agency

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Cooley & Kevin On WFT Free Agency

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No matter the minute mybookie puts the action in your hands with in game live betting and with a choice of thousands of lines and odds. You can turn any game day into payday. Anything anytime anywhere with my bookie i cooly is with me today. we're gonna get to free agent plans for your washington football team. We'll get to that There was some news after the radio. Show ended this morning in the news. Was that cam. Newton is resigning with the patriots on a one year. Deal worth up to fourteen million dollars. I thought he sucked when i watched him play last year. I'm a little bit surprised at this. But we did hear cam say at some point recently that he was gonna play again and he was gonna have a chance to start again next year and it was almost as if he was indicating that he knew that bella check was gonna want him back. What is your reaction to cam. Newton going back to new england. Potentially cooley being the starter next year. I didn't think he played well last year. I thought he struggled. I thought the offense struggled at times. I thought if he wasn't running the ball even in some third down situations they were in trouble. He threw a ton of picks he made bad decisions. I don't know i. I'm surprised now. You think back to the last two three four years. Tom brady. Has it had the weapons. And they needed to rebuild an offense and maybe they saw enough and cam that they said. Hey let's build some pieces around him and let's continue to be that hard nose running football team but we got our choir some some dudes to do that and let's go in that direction. Either funny because cam. Newton said the earlier bill bella the most understood person in sports and then he said he's dope shit like he's a cool dude understands the game. He's historian of the game. It's like damn he's going back. He's got film like he's literally teaching the game. I mean just the ultimate. Bj right there and smart thing to do well. Maybe he knew he was coming back. Yeah i'm you're gonna be our guy you know what's interesting is remember how the year started you know. He had a decent game against miami. They won and then there was that sunday night game seattle. That was an excellent game and he was incredible in that game. And i remember after that game. I think we talked about it. It's like you know what new england and bella this year might end up being better than tampa bay brady and they really got an answer with cam. He threw and i just pulled up the the box score from that game. He threw for three ninety seven thirty or forty four. Three hundred ninety seven yards a touchdown and interception eleven carries forty seven yards. And if you recall. He drove him down the field and had them like in a first and goal situation at the end of that game down. Thirty five thirty and then on that with like a couple of seconds left in the game they. They ran off tackle and he got stopped. He got stuffed And they lost the game thirty five thirty. I don't know if he ever played the rest of that season. A game like that. You know a lot of washington fans wondered. whether or not ron rivera would be interested. I in my position was always if he wasn't interested last year. Why would he be interested this year. You know. I just didn't think that that was even a possibility. I didn't think actually cam newton was gonna be in the league. I thought there is a chance he wouldn't be in the league this year. I think that's a realistic chance. I don't think cam newton would go anywhere and be a backup quarterback so if he wasn't a starter i don't know if he would've stayed i also think it's getting because new england's got evaluations on a lot of dudes that at least the guys like fitzpatrick the rest of the free agent quarterbacks they didn't want right and want dalton they don't want winston they want fitzpatrick winstons literally legitimately available. But but go ahead. I see where you're going with available. You didn't want tyrod taylor. They didn't want jacoby said. And by the way remember the discussion was garoppolos. Gonna end up back there and they have a shitload of cap space this year. Remember the you know. Basically last year was away was the season in which they were gonna clean up their cap. They've cleaned it up. I think they have the second most cap space available. I think that's the number. They have the second most cap space behind jacksonville. And so you know they're gonna they're gonna build the team around cam no. I can't imagine they're going to do that. They send him to a one year deal but they're bill. Yeah i guess. I suggested that. Maybe it's a style of football that they wanna play. Maybe that's the style of football belichick wants to play moving forward. Maybe he's looked a lot at what baltimore's done and said this way i gotta do it. Maybe looked a lot at the way. The quarterback numbers have went up on the cap over the last ten years and said this is not what i wanna do. I jokingly suggested to you over the last three or four years what if you just draft a guy in the second third or fourth round that you like and i even maybe move up late i get the fifth year option on dudes and then you play a guy under that for five years where you're running them. I know you had that seven years ago. I know i've been floating that idea forever. And it's not necessarily my idea of building a team but just looking at it from a different direction that you never pay that massive cap number and maybe bella checks looking at it and saying. No one's going to have the control that tom brady had again. I'm here. I'm going to be the guy we'll control harbach hasn't baltimore. How'd i lose control. The tom brady. This is a big year for bella. Chick i know look. He's the greatest coach in history all the super but this is actually in important season for bill. Belichick i i. I don't know what his legacy is going to be. But there's going to be this. Brady bill belichick thing and it's going to be discussed forever and brady won the super bowl last year and bella takata's shitload players opt out okay. So they had a terrible caps situation. If you're following it you understand why they had a step back season and it wasn't all because brady wasn't there. They probably would have been a lot better with brady but they were in a difficult situation this year however they've got the second most cap space in the league. They've they've got a decent draft position. They've already decided. not to. To franchise tag. Joe thorny the guard which you know. It's interesting they. Didn't you know franchise tag thirty. I do want your reaction to sheriff by the way. I don't think we've gotten it yet this week because i think it happened after our last. Show this week But i think this is kind of a big year for the patriots and they're going to get a lot of players back at opted out last year. But this is don't you do you. Do you sense the same thing on bella chick or not at least as far as public opinion goes. It's a huge ear and it may be a big year in terms of where new england wants to go moving forward. It'd be to me. It's insane to think you'd start moving away from him. But i think we talked about this when tom brady took some shots back at him and they had guys opt out. It's a new era of athletes. Don't like it as hard as it's always been right. And so maybe it is harder to recruit to get guys to get signed free agents to. I don't know. I think still people wanna play for bill. This is a big year. Yeah there's no doubt. Isn't that crazy though that career and you go this big year for bill to me. Wouldn't that good. Don't you think it's just when you're done bill. You're you tell us yeah up here. It's stupid it's stupid to say that it's a it's a big year for bill belichick like somehow his legacy or somehow his you know his his job is on the line lineup. It that's not what we mean. It's not what i mean. And i think most of you understand that some of you may be struggling with it. I just think brady winning the super bowl and belichick having this you know very You know for the first year true step back year which it wasn't his fault. Actually i thought i thought the patriots had a pretty interesting season and at times it was like man the only thing keep keeping them competitive is how tough and how well coached they are. You know i remember. They beat the chargers at one point this year. It was like forty five. Nothing they totally shut down just in herbert. And i'm like man fucking ballot. Check like they don't have anything they don't have anything and the they're still hanging in there but i don't know it's just I don't know if i at this point. And i'd wanna put my eggs into the cam newton basket and who knows maybe they'll end up acquiring somebody else or maybe you know it's a one year deal. It's probably heavily heavy on on incentives. So they can make they can move away from it. But i think you made a really good point right and that is a lot of the other guys that people are talking about. You know a mariota for hardly anything may be you know he gets. Let go tyrod. Taylor jacoby percent. Who by the way played for him. You know was there. And andy dalton. You know in some of these other guys ryan fitzpatrick no. He decided on cam in front of those guys. Yeah i think it says a lot about other guys and it just it may be the direction they wanna go in terms of the style they wanna play of the style they wanna play And cams a lot. Then marietta cameras wait cheaper than mariota. And you don't have to acquire cam. You don't give anything to acquire cam. Maybe they're planning on moving that direction in the draft and the next year. Yeah that's true too. They've always been such an adapt team though. It's it's funny to say the success. They've had they've adapted so well to what talent they have over. Bill belichick's career defenses are multiple type. Defenses does whatever they have on offense. They play their best guys. It's three good tight ends. Their point. Three good tight ends on every down. Moving them around if they think they need to build through running which is what they've done over the last couple of years. Even with tom kev. In tom's last two years there they became. They went from a predominantly gun team to a line of an i formation a lot team. It really does seem like they've trended more towards power football. Yeah well there's been nobody better and no staff better at figuring out okay. What do we need to do to win this game this week. How many times we can week out. Would we watch the patriots in one week. Lots of runs next week. Lots of throws you know one week tons zone next week. Lot of press man like it's just there wasn't a better you know it's the same way. A lot of us felt about gibbs and pettibone through all those years like they just always figured out with their talent the best way to win the next game. That's what it was. Always about. Joe many years lined it up and just ran it down people's throats other years. Who was like we're going deep. Were thrown a deep. You know one week it was. Hey they're going to have all these people in the box. We'd love to run it but we got to throw the football in other weeks but that always originated around one system. I i understand that where i feel like the patriots have changed maybe not obviously not their system but their style originated in style style. He changed style not necessarily he changed what they did within their system but not style. I think i played for. Joe is going through the to my years in josephine not compensated. It's the same offense. i know. I know what you're saying. I'm sick i'm suggesting the patriots. It's not like joe all went from smash mouth to five wide. Do you with throw the ball. That's never been joe but bill did that. Bill went from that. We throw it if we're going to have seventy plays. We'll throw sixty to a team that now seems to want lineup in a style to run the ball. They're not in gun that much. I know what you're saying. I i mean. I think i know what you're saying is one of the things that you and everyone else. Have you know rigaud. Every joe's sister there was nothing complicated about it. It was like it was all all the simple stuff was just dressed up with a lot of you know pre snap stuff right but what. I'm saying what i meant to say is. Joe would adapt to his talent. And if joe's best chance of winning that game that week it was to drop rippin back or dropped doug back and throw the ball down the field and stretched the field constantly. That's what he would do if joe felt the best way to win. That particular game was at earnest. Byner get twenty eight to twenty five carries in rigs get twelve or rigaud get thirty seven. That's what he was doing. Even maybe yeah. Even though what. You're saying i think is that. Maybe the way he got to. That wasn't as complicated Or as dynamic as as belichick in josh mcdaniels other joe was always involved in under center coryell type system. That ran the ball where it seems like bill. Belichick went from that widespread system to a smash mouth pro style offense in the last three or four years old school pro style to back offense tight end to back off and see they use a full back a lot. They've never did that. We joke joe always needed h back and he always had. I don't know it'd be like texas tech all the sudden going from air raid to option right. It's a different. It's a different style of ball. It's a different complete different offensive style. It probably calling it the same. So it's the same system but stylistically. It's another form of offense that they're trying to run is what it seemed to me but it seemed to me over the last two years with. Tom and i remember thinking but two years ago. When tom came to washington. You're looking at them on film lot in your same man. They're using fullback ton. They're run power football a ton. It's not tom gun. Spot coach kenan navy shows up in august. And says we're ditching the triple option. We're going air raid -actly all right. Maybe that's that's part of cam staying there is. They've started to evolve in stylistically change into that and he's the best fit for that now and maybe they're going to draft you remember Nor of saying we're not gonna run cam is much and and it changed very quickly. 'cause cam was not just the the first sort of zone read quarterback that we saw in the nfl in more red zone situations in than obviously in twenty twelve What washington did with. Rg three and then bevelled did in in seattle with with wilson and would capture. Nick was doing san francisco et cetera. But i remember you know there was. This thought they'd cam was taking too much of a pounding as big and strong as he was. You know they couldn't just run Eighteen sweep you couldn't run eighteen sweep. Which is the quarterback taken the snap and running power sweep One back through the aide whole They couldn't do that anymore. And i remember nor of making it a real point and even rivera making an appoint year. We're going to get away from running a lot of the design stuff with cam. And then they were struggling and they went right back to it and cam never had a problem with it. Cam never ever really complained about the the beating that he would take as a as a guy that ran more designed to power runs by quarterback van any quarterback in the league in the last. Maybe ever we've never seen in offense with quarterback that lines up snaps into the quarterback and runs behind pulling guard. We see that zone. Read a ton but new england this year. They said you're play for us and you're doing that right. We'd like when you were. Why do you think they. He's never complained about it but did they have to do it. It's an effective play for them and he's good at. He's good at not taking the big explosive hit. He's good at finding that little spot in he's good at getting yards for them all. You have not weighed in on the brandon. Sheriff tag just over eighteen million dollars for one year. They still could sign a long term deal by july fifteenth. I think the odds are long on that. What do you think i would if i just got an eighteen million dollar guaranteed one year deal. Why would i would term deal. There's no incentive for him to sign a long term deal none none the caps going to be down this year for sure gonna go back up next year if he plays decent under this year's deal he's going to get a massive long-term deal. I guess. I just don't see a reason for him to do that. The luxury for washington as they do have the cap space. But i think as. I told you i mean. Are you a super bowl contender this year. Are you a legit contender this year. If not why would you pay a guard. Eighteen million dollars. The thing is they can afford it. Okay i understand that they can afford them. What's the downside. They gotta be gotta feel like he wants to stay. I don't. I don't see this as a kirk cousins where they know he's gone at the end of the year. You're so convinced that are you convinced to that. I'm not convinced of it but it doesn't make sense to do this. If you don't believe you can re-sign him in less. What you just said is in their thinking. Which is we've got the space if it's just one year you know we're going to be trying some things at quarterback we want our offensive line. Intact will figure out his replacement next year. He's you know he's the culture guy we want and we want to. We went two years straight of high quality people. You know to teach our younger people to be examples in you know. Maybe if we really do some great things together this year. He'll wanna stay but we're okay with losing him after this year. Maybe it is just about that. They have the space and they have a need and it's one year. I don't like doing that at all. But maybe they're that's their thinking. Yeah i don't like doing it at all either but that probably is thinking and it's the as we went over and over this the thing that i keep thinking about brennan sheriff is just how good he is. You know not. Just on sunday but monday through sunday is the right kind of guy he is. I think i said this to you last year. I think i've said this over the past didn't necessarily love love shan sheriff in callahan's gap run stuff. I thought man if you had more zone stuff he is just so incredible and then when you get him in space he's so good and i didn't think he'd reached his full potential. Maybe part of it was through injury. But there's just nothing to say he. There's nothing about him. That i wouldn't want everything about him i want. But when you're saying that going to offer the deal that kevin she presented fifteen million dollars a year. Well we didn't we don't we don't know that they didn't and that's where the end part comes in is whether or not he actually wants to be here long. I mean you could even say brennan. Sheriff could have said look. I'm a situation right now. Where you're gonna tag me. So i'll take the eighteen this year which will extend another year of massively guaranteed money and then we'll do the fifteen million dollars a year and i said okay have been a nod. Wink speak agreement. We'll do the fifteen million dollars a year next year but this year. I'm in a position to win which is rare for for anyone in the nfl. It's it's definitely rare for offensive guard right in a position where i get guard tackle. Best guard tackle money in the take that this year. You gotta give it to me. I'm gonna take it or release me once you start down that path man. It's hard to get him off at If you're a good player even with the injury history and especially if you're on a team with they need the position. It's really hard this is. This is where you know. I've always found it interesting. Some of the nfl games on twitter. Andrew brandt and others who always say you know the tag is the franchise's friend you know. It's there for the franchise It's not something players like while the experience here is not been that The experience in other places Isn't always that. I think you've gotta be really careful with a high quality player. You gotta have the vision and you gotta get him signed early and you got to be aggressive in doing it if you don't you put yourself into this position so we'll see It's not their fault. It's it's not the rivera's rivera's group. It's not that i would have resigned brandon sheriff. After his third year. You said it. At the time. I would have sent him after third year. You probably got done. Eleven twelve million dollars a year right out signed it right. After he got hurt his third year. You know what. There's nothing about you that i don't love. I watch you practice every day. I see the way you work. I see your potential. You are the guy we wanted you to be. We thought you were. Let's get it done now man. Bet they're right. When into your third year i also signing bonuses gone. Okay used it up or you're not getting any more of that immediate check guaranteed money. You're third year rookies. Like i don't know five hundred grand in here. Comes this twelve million dollar offer ear like boom. Let's do it. The eagles used to do that a lot with guys. Yeah it's a philosophy. That different people have but i bet he would have done it at that point. I actually i. I would almost guarantee would have done at that point. All right Let's get to our free. Agents are free agency ideas. Some of the players were looking at really want to hear what coolies thinking about. We'll do that next right after this word from one of our sponsors this episode is sponsored by blue blue choose making waves and bringing more confidence to the bedroom blue. 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The bears tagged ellen robinson. So you have two options for possible x receiver. Kenny golladay. who detroit didn't tag. Which is gonna cost you. Twenty million dollars a year Plus and corey davis which is still gonna cost you. You know seventeen million dollars you think he seventeen or eighteen million bucks really. I wouldn't be completely blown away. If corey davis got that kind of money. Fifteen plus corey davis had big year. Yeah i like those guys so those are the two guys. I'm going to start with. Its spot right. Halliday's is projected market value. Which by the way. They're always wrong when we've looked at this in the past Rak has corey. Davises projected market value at close to hold on. I headed up here earlier. now. I don't corey davis per spot racks. A market value is nine point. Eight million dollars average annual. When i looked at that because by the way he's part of my chance target list unlike. There's no chance we've done this before. We've looked at their the spot rack projected values and they're always off but do you think they're off by basically they're fifty percent of the way there. Okay let's let me just get this. No more no less than fourteen million dollars a year. Okay i i was gonna say twelve but fourteen. Okay all right. So corey davis. You like corey davis by the way between the two players golladay. Twenty corey davis said fourteen. I golladay is legit. Sure thing big time receiver. I like all day. I just don't know what i'm getting. I don't think he's gonna wanna come here. I don't care. This is my fridge. I i'm not there. I know just i'd start with. I'd start. I'd start with those two. I'd start with golladay for sure and see if there's interest and if he wants to come here and what type of bidding war you're going to get into with golladay i mean i. Staying at twenty million dollars boatload of money year and. it's not often that team's win when they pay. Excessive amounts of money to receiver tampa was the first teams this year. We have we paid. Mike evans a lot to really win. But twenty one. Twenty twenty one million dollars a year for golladay projected value spot. Seventeen but yeah well. Let's call it between seventeen and twenty million dollars year. Make the offer you like handle. I like all day. I think he's legit. Do everything receiver get down the field. He's gonna give you what you want in that in that position you have the money for it. Let's go get him okay. Corey davis might be They were building team. Corey davis was a top pick. What four years ago. It's going to cost us. Four million dollars less a year. Think he's the same then. I'm fine with corey. Davis the position but i think one of the two guys you should sign. I'm not sold on willfuller ship. It was the top receiver which is going to be. You know another guy. That's fifteen million bucks a year. He's probably gonna get fifteen million bucks a year fuller. I m sold on him as a player. But i don't think there's any chance that they chase him injuries suspension. I just think that that that the he's not on their list. I would bet that he's not on their list of players that they'd go after. But i think he is a baller like we'll can really play but he he's not available enough. He misses many games. You know who else misses a lot of games hunter henry. Your guy misses a lot of games. Yeah hunter henry does miss some games. You're right all right. Go ahead keith. Off so the other guy the other guy that you pay a boatload to as smith schuster and he's not going to go there because he's not going to fit that culture and then i think that why won't smith schuster fit fit the culture especially after all the tweets stuff last year and the dance stuff last year and okay boomer especially logo. I'm suggesting that there boomer. Yeah oh i. I like smith schuster course you do. I'm suggesting that there boomer. And then the other guy that will probably be more realistic because they probably won't get either the first couple. Guises is curtis samuel right. Yeah that's who. Everybody believes that they'll get right. You know curtis samuel trae. Boston on defense all the carolina connections. Somebody just texted me. And i didn't do this and mina and i'll save it but one of the running backs that i've loved for a while another former carolina guy If i don't know why running back would be an option but but go ahead Who else you got an offense. You have not said anything about a quarterback yet. I just don't see any quarterback being definitively better than they unknown. That's actually have right now. I mean out. And signed dalton. Yeah do that you can do that. You're not gonna pay that. Much for dalton. What about what about the second row. Second rounder for darnold. If he's available young trading the second or for darnold he's there. There's no question. I think donald could play. Darnold got some decisiveness. I think he throws a great ball. I think he needs a system that truly believes in him with the coach. That really knows where he's going with him. And i think donald could be that guy. Yeah without question. i'm gonna give a second for darnold so second for really surprised that the jets haven't shopped him harder unless they really want him. So i don't know if the jets are going to move away from darnold. Second second for darnold corey davis at you know. Call it fourteen million a year. all right. maybe it's a lesson that what else offensively. I think you you really start thinking about the tight end position. I'd like hunter henry. I know that he's had some injury stuff but was what after his rookie year that he tore his acl hundred. Henry missed that whole season ninety nine and that was after a second season. His third year was eerie missed and the ended up coming back and playing in a playoff game. If i remember right i e remittance to salt third season. He came back and played in a playoff game. You might be right about that gad. The one that the against the because that was when they beat the chiefs late beat the ravens lost to the patriots right. You might be right about that now. He he didn't play very much right. Fifty five receptions in two thousand nineteen sixty receptions in two thousand and twenty is not what his production should be. He's an eighty catchy year. Type of guy miss given the last two years with injury is game club games in one thousand nine and he missed two games last year. What did he play in. Nineteen how many keep played twelve and nineteen and he played fourteen games where he's missed six games in the last two years in the year before nineteen was the year that he missed. All of them. Right yes okay. But in sixteen in he his never played sixteen games. Yeah is rookie. They i did. I don't know if you've hurt for a game or not. But with that with that an active for his his upside is higher than anybody's in much higher than austin hooper's was a year ago like he's the real deal he he's every bit of hooper is a receiving tight end. Yeah but better but he blocks better than hooper. so he's a legit. Why johnny smith you love geno smith. I like him. I do like them because they love him in a plan. But i i like johnny smith. I think you have to. Even if you're saying. Smith is close to logan. Thomas you still have to have another guy they wanna use to tight ends and go back and watch what north carolina over the last couple years course like a too tight system they do. They're going to get a tight end so like smith gerald everett. I l whatever going to cost you. Obviously not hunters going to set the market. He's gonna set the. He's going to top the austin hooper deal from from a year ago. He's going to be at eleven million right. What wasn't harp. Wasn't hooper almost at eleven million. Something like that. See a yahoo. Bro is something. I think hooper was more super. I got it here. Hold on. Kittle kittle in kelsey that those are who was at ten five average av. Yeah so henry will be. Henry will be around that and it may be a little less because there's productions a little essences injury stuff you might be at ten and the cap down a little bit. I pay i pay that for that guy. I don't think ever it's going to be that type of guy but the thing. I'll do like about everett. Although he's not great blocker he's been in that system where he understands the zone side of it understands how to block the edge. He definitely understands had cut off the back side of things. He fits that zone. Type a mole. That i think they were trying to get into right. It's just. I still don't have a wi with everett you have. I guess you're saying logan. Thomas skinny bob a little bit more. He's going to be your why i'm not one hundred percent sold on that position as having that guy is having to those age spots. I was going say on henry henry. You're talking into teams. You would want to go to washington. How many laws love thomas scott. Well i mean. Look i mean it's it's norv in. It's his son and they love thrown to the tight end because i think it would be a good spot for hundred henry. Yeah i think you consider the trade for ertz. I don't know if they would trade him to washington but with all of these titans right now henry. Johnny smith evert on the market the dude coming into the draft from florida being top-five like the ertz value right. Now it's not what it was a month ago purchased thirty one years old and he's had some injury issues over the last couple of years but he is a why and he's legit threat you'd wanna know he's healthy. They'll do their due diligence. But i can still play. I think you can. I would consider a trade for what you're going to give up a fourth third. I don't really a fourth. i don't know about that. I think i'd be too many injuries. Yeah i mean if it's a v for ertz. I'm banging down the door for that. You love him. i like him too. When he's healthy. I think i think those are two positions desperately need that you can get in free agency. I think you can get henry or herbs. Johnny smith with the right offer. I don't know if you can get golladay. I if you pay corey davis the right amount of money. I- corey davis. I think would wanna come here knowing. He's a legit one. They're gonna considerable as a one like paired with terry and then i think they'll end up signing curtis samuel which i do like because they just didn't have that niche slot guy. Will you can go. you could go. I mean if theoretically you could you could sign corey. Davis and samuel. And then you've got your you've got your slot and you've got a guy by the way also as you said you reminded me occasionally lined up in the backfield samuel in so many ways and then you've got you've got cory and you've got mclaren. They tendered sims. They like them and sims will be on the field. Some two sims will definitely be on the field. And i i just. I think you thought you had more of a slot guy in with steven sims. And just wasn't what. I expected him to be last year based on watching him from two thousand and nineteen disappointed. With some of some yeah. I thought i thought there wasn't disappointment last year. And so it again in coryell system the turner system stat slots really really important. So i think they will curtis samuel unless he didn't like plain rivera's planned for rivera. I i don't know how that went. But i think he would end up being famous. Try eight million bucks a year and so then you're saying well. What if you could corey davis for thirteen fourteen and samuel for eight. It's the same. Both of those two are the same as signing one golladay right. Probably alan robinson had been available right. Efl and robinson would have been available. I would have signed ellen robinson. But you and i both knew the bears. We're going to tag him but would not be in their best interest. Let allen robinson go right. they need to tackle. I don't know what they'll do. Position russell akune is available. Played eleven years in the league. Did you know that seems like while he came in with trent williams right yeah came in the same years trent williams i would. If it were me i would. Sign trent williams. He's not come back here. I'll bet you any amount of money. Recites san francisco and told me. If i was the gm he'd come back but he did. He did. I know we did. I'm not. I'm not. You know eric fisher's available and your villain waivers available. I like the guy out of buffalo. Daryl giant seki daryl williams dare williams buffalo. They they'd breezy metric this year. Right tack or left tackle what. What does dr william's the the. I don't know if any of these guys like you might. You may for me. I'm not gonna pay an average left tackle a lot of money because they need an average left tackle. I'll go just below average just to fill the position right now. Try to draft guy. Yeah i i think i think they believe city charles is left tackle for them at some point and if they don't they were able to make do last year with cornelius lucas and and Sharpen you know anybody else that they used over there. i'm forgetting somebody obviously. Who was the other one that they used at left. Tackle drunk question of course I think i. I would be surprised if they make a left. A big big left tackle move in free agency. Because i thought sure about anybody but trent and so for me i. I don't think i make a big big payday kennedy all right. So what else. Anything else offensively. So that's that's what. I wanna do an offense. I like the rest of my offensive line as it sits right now. And i just i think you need to weapon. I think you need a tight. Inner receiver so. I pay money for tight. End receiver okay. That's where right go with that when you'd make trade for quarterback i'd do anything for a quarterback right now. I don't know who you're getting. I think by trade for darnold would be the guy. The quarterback conversation right now is a part of like trying to plan is is hard to plan for I have. I have a couple of guys like i. I'm not including to shawn watson or russell wilson jameis winston and obviously no more dak prescott. i'm not. I'm not just a met considering any of those people. I mean we're really in the group of like i would love for them to swing big for shawn watson but would require a hell of a lot and i just don't see watson using his no trade clause to influence where he goes picking these see. I think he picked somewhere else. like carolina maybe Or miami. You know place like that But all right. Let's move to defense defensively. They obviously have a linebacker need. They've got some secondary Needs who have you identified to milan. But it's reported that he signed. He's mommy to me too we. I think we've talked about that. Milano is at the top of my list. he's four years forty. Four million twenty six guaranteed eleven million a year. He got from the bills boy all the talk about him being available. I would have been surprised if they if sean mcdermott had made him available. He's a player all right. Go ahead. who who do you like defensively. The other guy. That i like defensively is john smith. Do you do like him. Yeah i do John brown right from tennessee. He's an off the ball linebacker which fits the system. He's a coverage linebacker which they dramatically last lacked last year. He's twenty six years old. He's done a lot of things for tennessee but as much as they drop in as much as they depend on linebackers and coverage. I think john brown's a good player. I would definitely definitely signed jaylen brown if you wanted. Think about it cagey rights. Thirty two in seattle. Think it's interesting. it's definitely an interesting spot. How many years are you going to get out of it. But you're definitely not going to pay cagey right as much money. The other guy. That's name is denzel. Perryman chargers linebacker. But he's a backer. I don't know. I want look equally. You know what i mean. Yeah and jaylen. Brown's probably not luke keithly but he's the closest in free agency to. I'm really getting a multiple type linebacker. Nice would it be. I like milano though. He's he's a player man. I couple players like milano that i liked. And i'll get to here in a moment. Anybody else kwan alexander. But he's going to miss the big part of the season because he tore his achilles late last year. but i do kwan alexander. Who was in san francisco right and then played for the saints. He was good in san francisco. I mean then other than that. You're going to go down the list of guys you're going to go down the list of dudes i mean by the way on the secondary front. Are you making a big push to. There's going to be a market for darby because of the the lack of real corners in in free agency. How much are you paying. Darby how much do you want him back. I think he's going to get real money this year. I i loved what he did. And i thought i thought you know. Darby got better in that system throughout the year. That was my thing is. I'm watching darby and i'm going. He's kidding better. Throughout the year and the system getting more comfortable. He's making more plays yet more pass. Breakup as the season progressed. Darby's like three years thirty million bucks though. Yeah i i'll bet darby gets. He's getting a real deal he's getting he's getting real deal. I look up on. I didn't look his deal up on spivak. I looked at my the guy that i wanted. I figured that they're going to do whatever they took to to get him. Linden me to see what they have but he gets gets somewhere around ten million dollars a year. he's a he's a one corner kef. He's a legit starting corner outside. The one corner played one year. Lack of darby's beat the maybe once he really doesn't get beeping turnaround. He's got pretty good. Hips yeah nine point two million is a projection so i was thinking it up ten so so i would definitely definitely trying to resign. Darby if you want a true one corner a true core. The bengals did not tag. William jackson played for a bad team but is legit one corner. I don't know much about william jackson as dude. I know that he was a big time corner in terms of coverage. You can do it. You want him to do william jackson's. It's going to be expensive corner. Brilliant corners are expensive. I would make an offer to william jackson the other guy i like. Is this lot corners. Names mike helton played for pittsburgh last year. Remember when we played pittsburgh. County plays mike hilton made. Yeah i me play up to play after play play. Play good player man. I i think he probably would wanna stay in pittsburgh. I saw something that mike helton cares about winning. I don't i don't know what that means necessarily because you didn't. That's that's a tough for me to say. They're going to sign trait boston. I mean i think that's pretty obvious trae. Boston is a free safety. They played them in a lot. More split safety looks and carolina and he was out of position in a new defense vegetarian. Boston's like please. Just let me back into my old defense. When we play for rivera the guy. I really like is john johnson. I liked john johnson's since his rookie year. I think john johnson can play. I think he's got real rain on the back end. I think he's a ball hawk. John johnson legit safety man. I don't think he gets out of la. I thought he played so well for them. Last year times they actually had You know how many money find no they. Don't they're going to figure it out and watch. Somehow they're gonna end up with golladay. That's my prediction. But somehow they will. If they end up with golladay they are a super bowl contender. Legit they are. They're already stafford. But i mean they are. They're odds will change. If golladay goes there i mean. I thought that secondary with jalen ramsey and the rookie Fuller fuller right jordan. Fuller and john johnson. And i forget who the other corner was. You can't ramsey ninety ramsey. Yeah i forget who but that was a really good that turned into a really good secondary not to mention what they had upfront obviously with donald and floyd and the guy number sixty nine a guy that i loved before we played them with the hyphenated last name and then brocker had And remember kaiser that who had a good year for them didn't play against washington so i i think they're already a super bowl contender with stafford. I really do all right. I'm gonna give you some ideas that i have and get your reaction to them right after this word from one of our sponsors is your wifi struggling to keep up with your streaming work gaming video calling and more what about all at once when you're connected to your world by wi fi be sure it's the best. Bring your wifi up to speed with orbi wi fi. Six from net gear or be wifi six is the best and latest in wi fi. It covers your entire home with unmatched speeds and performance for uninterrupted working and learning video calling and streaming at home on more devices than ever before in any part of the house with wifi. this advanced. You're going to want it. We're ready for the best wi fi ever find out. What makes net gear. America's number one choice for wi fi net gear dot com slash. Best wi fi net gear dot com slash. Best wi fi. First of all you know with roughly forty million dollars under the cap. They're going to be able to do a lot of things that they want to do. And i'm going to start real quickly with just a simple what i want them to do with respect to the players that they have. I want him to resign ronald darby. I would also like them to resign. Kevin pierre louis. I want speed. I thought both of them. The darby got better as you said during the year. I think he's one of the only guys we've had in recent years it can actually play press coverage i love. He's a football player. You could explain better why this scheme fits him but you just saw him so close so many times to making plays i want darby back i also want. Kpl l. back. I want the team speed. I want the high iq with the guys that can make plays by the way i would also just resigned dustin hopkins in. I'd bring in some sort of rookie guy to compete. And make sure that hopkins you can get out of the deal. But you know. I get the whole kicker thing you can do a lot worse than dustin hopkins. Ask minnesota All right so Milano was a guy that i liked. So what what i really remember. We've had these conversations about mica hide in the past. And i'm like i love michael. Hide inner remember. Yeah he's okay. And and i'm like no. He's a playmaker he makes plays desmond. King to me is like mike hide. He is just a guy that is so versatile he can play multiple positions and somehow he ends up making plays and he's not going to cost you a lot In in free agency. I would look at desmond. King defensively not to mention the fact that now you don't have to worry about punt returner you can put him back there. He's a dangerous punt returner I love i just loved desmond king. Since the iowa days he had big games and in a couple of games that the chargers had that year When they they ended up in the postseason he's available. I like desmond king. In by the way high quality high character smart twenty six years old and twenty six years old to me. That's a guy that they would probably love. Where does he fit exactly with fuller with darby. Is he more corners. He more free safety. He's played everywhere. He's a football player. As scott mclaughlin would say Is he gonna blow you away with athleticism. Nobody's like one of those guys. It's got the athletic vision and anticipation athleticism. That's what he has like mica high. Does i like desmond king. I think he is a winner. And i think you find a way to get him. I felt the same way about milano. But he's not gettable anymore I i. I like corey davis because i think he's gettable and i just don't think kenny golladay is and i don't think smith schuster is An i would definitely be looking to sign a like a guy. Like corey davis. I know you're getting him off the one good year he's had but he's got catch radius. He's got size he's a hands catcher. he is. He's tough and to me. The perfect complement to maclaurin As far as tight ends. Go yod love hunter. Henry and i would roll the dice on hunter henry The injury has free would bother me. But he's a star like he's a true difference maker you know he's potentially kelsey you know if he stays healthy he's not kelsey. He is potentially kelsey if he stays healthy. He's potentially zach ertz. Okay fine in in in in zach ertz. What about jordan reed. When jordan reed was healthy as a route runner as henry's as a matchup guy with that size he's very match guy that can win and body guys. he's but he's not a me than ordinary more. Like earth's lease a stem guy create a little space guy jordan reed the quick twitch break dudes off guy. I think henry much more athletic in in the ability to create space than you think But anyway like one hundred hundred. I think you're i know you do. And so i'm trusting you in that by. i think i'm not saying he cam just comparatively. He's not celts. No one's kelsey right okay. He's if he starts playing sixteen games a year. he's a guy. Eighty eighty catch guy year. Eighty catch eight touchdowns some years maybe ninety catches in twelve touchdowns. All you're not gonna get him. Though i don't i don't think you're gonna get henry why i don't know i don't know. Why are you not going to get hendra. I just think that they're going to be so many options for him to play with a big time quarterback somewhere. I think the lack of quarterback will hurt with you. Know a golladay or would have hurt with an allen robinson and we'll hurt to a certain degree with hunter. Henry think they're going to understand what you're saying. But my my selling point to hunter. Henry would be with dwayne haskins and alex smith and kyle and logan. Thomas got seventy two balls than you've ever caught in your career we made we got this guy seventy two balls we have you. You're ninety catch guy. We get you ninety balls. Thomas had one hundred ten targets. I would go play for a team that was going to target me one hundred and ten time. He just played with justin. Herbert target him. Do you think he looks at taylor. Heineken kyle allendc game plan really. Yeah okay would you just look at the game plan. Would you wanna play with a real dynamic quarterback option. I'd like both but haven't signing a four or five year deal here. I definitely want to be in a game plan that suits me knowing that it might be andy dalton at some point it might be a guy that ended up getting in the next year. That can really play. I don't know i want. I want to look at wednesday's game plan and go. Can i catch balls this week. Vs look at wednesday's game plan go or they created to plays for me another one that i'm third fourth option a love the system for tight end here. Did you know that logan. Thomas caught the third most balls last year for tight end behind Waller and kelsey. Yeah now there's a big difference waller. Had one hundred seven receptions kelsey had honored and five and then it was low-key thomas with seventy two ahead of hopkinson anger him and dalton scholtz hunter. Henry only played fourteen games. He missed two games. He caught sixty balls. I yeah i. I was just looking to see where logan thomas stacked up. That's much higher than i really thought so. I guess you could make the pitch to him. We got locked in thomas. Seventy two receptions with one hundred ten targets with four different quarterbacks four. yeah four and you're saying look the thing with without having the legit one quarterback we're going to need the tight end. I would trade for darnold andy dalton within scare me at all i thought he played better. At the end of the year and ryan fitzpatrick i think would be really exciting to see I just think he would probably pick somewhere else if he if he's got options by the way i wanted to mention something real quickly there. I really like eric. wilson Coming off his his Last couple of years in minnesota despite the injury i think he's really smart really. Well you know a well coached Kind of a guy but it wouldn't surprise me if the if he's back in minnesota and then somebody texted me this. They said your boy. Mike davis is available. You didn't mention mention him this morning on the show. Jp mentioned him. So let's assume he's talking to jp finley You know how much probably you know how much i loved. Mike davis when he was coming to south carolina. I loved and i thought that was a fourth fifth. Round selection third round selection that washington should make and should gopher and he. Now i i have not. I've not thought of running back because to me. The gibson mckissic combo is a pretty good combo. And whether or not peyton barber is back with you or not you got a nice thing going with gibson and mckissic so you know you need depth at running back. And i understand that but mike davis is gonna wanna get twenty carries a game wherever he goes. So it's not going to be here so i don't even if it is back with former head coach former you know coordinator You know in terms of You know who brought him in because they brought him in to carolina Y- the thing that the about. Davis davis is a between the tackles also can catch the ball gibson's more dynamic in also by the way equally as powerful. So i i. i'm not. I loved to. Mike davis coming out. It's five six years ago. Now that he came out you know and he had with all of the opportunities. He's had his best year was last year and still he averaged three point nine yards per carry right so you know davis is gonna want more carries if he doesn't get that opportunity and i can get him on the cheap and he can be my other first down option although you and i both loved it when mckissick was a first down option. But he's not going to be so let's not worry about that. Yeah well. I don't know why he wouldn't be i'm talking about. Is you know when occasionally for a series when gibson's you know take an arrest. Yeah on occasion chore opposed to back. I think gibson can do more than what they had him do but they they see him as one back. That's no doubt clearly what it looks like to me. I agree so. That's why. I think the mike davis thing. I think davis. I haven't thought about him other options You know let's face it. He got a lot more carries a lot more opportunities last year in part. Because you know. Mccaffrey was down for much of the year chore but anyway Mark ingram just signed with the texans similar back and Anyway so i. I would have the bills matt. Milano is going to be my number. One guy along with corey davis. He's not there. I like desmond king. I like corey davis. I wanna keep darby I'd like to keep. Kp l. I the linebacker thing jalen brown. Was you know sort of number two to milano of that problem in the in the in the in the draft and realistic quarterbacks if they're if they're continuing to swing you know the mariota thing doesn't excite me but it doesn't turn me off. None of these things really turned me off. Except for what i told you before. And he's not going to be available. Anyway i just. I'm not a massive derek carr fan and so whatever they were going to have to give up if that was even going to be a possibility i wasn't into that I'm not really into tyrod taylor. Jacoby percent anymore. There was a time that i was sort of into berset. You know if you signed dalton and it's a it's a cheap one year deal on. we're seeing it. We're gonna see a lot of one year deals with the capping down. You bring him in. You compete if there aren't a lot of options for dalton i. I wouldn't mind that it's not going to cost you a lot and in winston's just not going to be available. He's he's staying put. There's no chance that new orleans doesn't resign him not a garoppolo guy if he were available. We've gone through this before you know right now to me. The real options. You know if you if you i mean tyrod taylor. Jacoby perset fitzpatrick dalton darnold via trade. If he's made available. I mean. I think i think in terms of darnold for a second piece. Any of the potential future of your franchise But i i wouldn't mind taking a one year flyer on dalton for four million bucks or whatever it would cost you a fitzpatrick's more expensive mariota you get to set you. Get them the incentive part of the contract if he ends up starting for you. I'm not worried about that. If they if they end up getting him for like next to nothing called a fifth or sixth rounder and he ends up being the guy with. Then it's worth it. I don't really think it. Even though i used to be a bridgewater fan. I don't think he's physically ever been right off of that injury. He didn't play poorly last year though. But you have to acquire bridgewater. You got a trade for bridgewater. He's under contract at twenty one million a year. So i'm not interested in that i'm not interested in trubisky anymore either There was a time where i wouldn't have minded trying to fix that. If turner thought he could fix it. But god that playoff game against the saints change my mind. That one gutless play was more than one who is a mulching gutless place. I saw a guy that basically quit with his team. Defensively keeping them in that game. I hear you all right. Big trubisky guy. So i gave you maryland over michigan state at the very end of the podcast yesterday. A quick prediction on maryland michigan. When we come back right after this word from one of our sponsors hey i'm tasmania's of dunks on the athletic and i'm also a human which means i have been very stressed at times this past year and i find it hard to kick that pattern of anxiousness with the groundhog day situation. I'm in sometimes. I wonder world. That's why i'm a fan of sunday. scares scary. Are a safe way to break out of our daily routines. They helped me concentrate by quieting my mind a little bit sunday. Scary are specially formulated. Cbd gumy's with vitamin d three and b twelve. That are super consumable and easy. Take on the go. I've used them. 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If you didn't think they were in the tournament which they were there obviously in it now definitively their defense over the final thirty minutes against michigan state was awesome to watch. It's what they are. They've got an identity. They get their terrific perimeter defensive team without size they double the post when they're playing size but they recover with their length. They're just really good defensively and it was good to see them bounce back off of that. you know. horrific loss to penn state on sunday night. But if you watch penn state you know that penn state was pretty good. They nearly knocked off wisconsin. It was an incredible comeback. Made that all these comebacks. Recently including the comeback win over maryland. I thought terge coached his ass off. I thought he outcoached is. Oh sorry for those of you who are anti terge. And i love his. Oh maryland clearly matches up well with michigan state. The teams that they don't match up well well with our teams like the one. They're going to face today. Michigan teams with significant size. And then by the way shooters And maryland likes to double the post if you double the post. They're going to have to hope. Michigan shoots thirty three percent or less it their only chance and they're going to have to maximize every offense. Possession is the worst possible match. Matchup but i i look forward to it. I'm there in the tournament and they're going to be in the tournament is at ten seed you know. Maybe an eleven seed if they play well today. I guess it could still be a nine. I don't wanna be in eight or nine facing a one in the second round. If you win a first-round game i'd rather be ten or eleven and face a six or seven seed which isn't going to be any different than the nine seed you're going to face or the eighth seed you're going to face. It's just that if you win a game you get a chance to legitimately play a team. You could beat in the second round. Maryland's campy gonzaga. they can't beat baylor. They can't beat michigan. I don't think So they wouldn't be matched up in that draw anyway with a big ten team in the second round game more likely than not. I'm just pleased with the way they played yesterday They're getting eight and a half. Today i'd buy. I'd buy the half point two nine and just play maryland expecting them to play well today. It's not a great matchup. The public's on michigan so i would bet maryland may be a little bit orlean. Not like yesterday. I loved them yesterday. and i had them Cooley four Size as we like to say But it's been a hell of a helluva season to watch them sort of evolve from a team that really didn't have a lot of answers To size in a big league and they they really they. Yesterday was impressive. They were down twelve early and then went on thirty. Two seven run. They held michigan state without a field goal for twelve minutes at the end of the first half through the first you know six minutes. Plus of the second half it was just An impressive performance in a game that they didn't have to have. I don't think you get into the tournament. But they needed it for their confidence and they and they got it done by the way georgetown's whenever villanova villanova's banged up. But the hoyas have a chance if they beat seton hall today which they can beat seton hall. They just did a few weeks ago to be in the big east tournament final. You know tomorrow night. That would be huge by the way. Virginia's game semi final against georgia tech just got cancelled. Virginia's got a positive cova test. So a lotta shit happening on the cove front as well. But i'm going to sit back. I watched a lot of college basketball yesterday. cooley. I watched a lot of golf as we're recording. This podcast right now right now danny mccarthy right from here you know. We've had danny on the show many times denny's uncles a friend of mine. I coached denny's you know cousins and basketball Denny's six under one shot behind. Sergio garcia for the lead at the players So i will be watching denny. Today's well hoping in the weekend hoping he ends up being in contention for his first. You know significant tour win that would be incredible. What else what else you got for me. 'cause i i wanna wrong in watch some hoops. I'm excited i'm gonna go watch maryland. Play good for you talk to you over the weekend. Thanks see buddy. I everybody have a great weekend back on monday.

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Breaking down Patriots OTAs | Alex Barth | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar

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Breaking down Patriots OTAs | Alex Barth | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar

"Hey everybody. And Lazar alongside Alex Barth Patriots beat, live podcast Edition. Sorry for the technical delay there. We're here. Now we're going to break down OTAs Patriots, Thursday, OTAs. We're open to the media. We can discuss all the different angles that happened out there. Maybe get to some other things later on in the show. As if you guys want to drop any questions or anything like that, in the chat will try to answer some things later on in the show as well. But first and foremost Alex out at OTAs. Today, we're off for the first about an hour and 20 minutes was all drills against the air, you know, running routes throwing passes, into trash cans, things like that. Nothing really too competitive or too exciting. We get into the first-team. Of the entire offseason program that we've been able to see. And Cam Newton goes first and Mac Jones Goes second right behind me. All by Jarrett Stidham and Brian Hoyer. So, just your reaction out to the fact that I think we can safely, say, based off of this at least and maybe this is a little bit too much looking into one practice session in one team. But based on what we saw today, Matt Jones is already qb2, which is pretty quick Ascension there. Yeah. If you remember what I said on Tuesday that I wrote this, in my OT, a preview column on 98.5, The Sports Hub, as well. I was urging people to Not freak out over the order that the quarterbacks threw, right? They went in order of seniority. Last year. Brian walk you through first, even though Kamon stood him, were the two that were viewed, competing for the starting job and I kind of urged everybody to be cautious. In fact, Rose last. It is what it is. I said it on the show and I said to my column, the only thing we're going to learn about the quarterback position in OTAs is if Mack throws anywhere. But last he threw second. That's huge because Bill Belichick. It's special, especially at this time of year. Bass is everything on seniority. The rookie look. The rookies. Don't even have numbers. Yet the rookies earned their numbers. And Mac, Jones is throwing ahead of Cinema that one thousand less start ahead of Brian Hoyer, who's been in this league for over a decade. That tells me they're incredibly high on Cinema tells me a hell of a lot more than all the people who were bemoaning the subdued drag from reaction when they took him and saying the team wasn't high on stood him, they have him throwing ahead of a ten year veteran at the first public practice. They liked this kid, they do. It was pretty funny because he's out there. He took my number 50. The Jersey is three sizes, too big for him cuz it's fit for a linebacker or something like that, right? New Jersey is a baggy on him, he's wearing these baggy gym shorts. You just he's got zero sweat. What song were out there? Cam Newton has all this drip, right? He's got the the types on. He looks like a star quarterback in the NFL. Mac Jones comes out in this, these baggy shirt baggy shorts, all of a sudden, we get home. Competitive part of practice and he's our quarterback too, and I would have to go back and, and really think about it and go through all the different training camps and stuff like that, but let alone a call back, but just any rookie I just can't remember the last time that any rookie was already playing this. Many snaps was some of the first-team guys, right? Like as the quarterback has the backup, whatever you want to call it. I mean, even a guy like n'keal Harry or Sony, Michelle or any of those other players that they've dropped in the first round last couple of years since we've got on the beat both those guys still had to earn their teeth and they still had to rise up the depth chart. Before they finally got onto the, the field with the starters, knock knock jokes, he just comes right in and and his cubicle. Let's I do want to push back on that a little bit. And, you know, Mac Jones didn't earn his way to the to, where he is out on the desk. So you didn't learn it, they re-elected it quicker, right? He didn't quicker, they had the off-season. Two meetings, they had rookie minicamp. This was the third o t a practice. So clearly I I don't think you know, if we had been there day one of OTAs his Mac throwing second, I don't know. Is he throwing a second for those? Those workouts right ahead of OTAs, I highly doubt it. He's earned this behind-the-scenes. We asked to remember, we're coming in part way through the process and witnessing this part way, through the process. But yep, that is an incredibly incredibly rapid Ascension for Mac Jones. Because again, normally, at this time of year, they base everything on seniority, Mac Jones has thrown no NFL passes whole life. No NFL snaps. You play to know NFL games and they have him ahead of a guy who's played in this league for over a decade in Brian Hoyer. That to me says something I, it doesn't necessarily mean. He's going to be the booster week one. It doesn't even necessarily mean he's a lock to be good. It just means that they believe in this kid. They think he's doing all the right things. They think he's making the progress. They need to see where they can wage. Him any more foundational role, right? And the other you know just kind of getting it to actually what we saw of Mac Jones. Obviously I think the order and the way he carried himself and where the way he was off his standing in the pecking order, I think is the most important take away more so than anything any throw that he actually made because we're not really into padded practices with live competitive drills. Yep. Well, this is more of a an education. It's Bill Belichick would call it right at teaching in a learning. Not a, not a valuation. So he threw three passes and 7 on Seven's to check downs, one drop by Christian Wilkerson, over the middle. But there was a drill earlier on, in practice, where they had the offense was going up against a Defender. Two Defenders is, basically a two-man route combination versus two defensive backs and they were running the same route combination over and over and over again. They weren't changing the route combination but they were changing the coverage. So the game Was okay, this time the corner outside corner is going to sit and the inside Defender is going to take the, you know, over the top next time, they're going to play man-to-man coverage. The next time, we're going to flip the zone, right? And we're not go all these different sort of iterations of coverages and just see how does the quarterback react as he know where his answer is based off the movement of the defense after the snap. And that's where Mac, I thought, made something really quick decisions with the football sort of just seeing. Okay, you know, the corner sitting, I'm going to throw the seemed, okay, the corners off, I'm going to throw the hitch, you know, that, that type of thing, and being able to make those types of quick decision, the football, I think was really telling, and then later on in practice, actually, after 7 on Seven's, they got into setting the mic protections and and this was a walk-through, right? The guys back side of the football Shaq Mason was playing 3-technique, right. You know, like this was, this was not a competitive live drill. All they were doing this sort of walking through it and Mac was understand birth. Setting the mic getting everybody in line, making sure that the blitz was going to get picked up or the pressure steam is going to get picked up and then the the offensive players playing defense were throwing things at them right, you know? Okay, in this town were going to Blitz, this guy and dropped that guy, and vice versa, or working a stunt, or whatever. And Mac, got all the ducks in a row, got everything booked for the most part, I had wrote that JJ Taylor actually had a few nice decisions about those that the coaches were pretty high highly, you know, praising him for. But it just looked to me like they were throwing a whole lot of just information and processing in mental processing, type of stuff at Mac today, and not necessarily as much of the, let's say, you know, well, let's let's see a make a 30-yard, you know, throw down the field, the same drive the ball down field. It wasn't so much about that. As it was, let's see how much mental Acumen. This guy has, and I thought that it looked like he passed all the eye tests that we could at least tell from the stands. Yeah. And you know you also have the players after Hunter Henry Kendrick Bourne talking about his leadership ability. Kendrick Bourne said that he didn't expect Matt Jones to have as much Swagger as he did. Yeah, it looked the baggage Jersey and big shorts. It sounds like somebody else. We know who who maybe didn't you know? It's funny cuz it felt like the coaching staff and like the equipment and staff were just like your rookie here. Are some stuff, put it on, you know what I mean? Like, you know, don't don't come in to hear. It wouldn't be with with your headband on and all this. Now, just not, I wouldn't be surprised. I would be surprised if there's an element of that here. Yeah, and it's, you know, part of it, it sounds stupid. But, you know, I've heard of coaches doing this in other sports. I don't know if that the Patriots have ever done this, but I know a college baseball coach who I've talked to, he would give when he had his top recruits come in right away. He would give them uniform pants. That were two sizes too big. Yeah. And he wouldn't tell them he would lay and if they told him about he would say, okay, filled it and because he was like there's going to be things that affect them. That are uncomfortable that you can't handle whether it's, whether or crowd conditions, nagging injuries or whatever. So I don't know, you know, this is kind of the checkers for his chest thing. I don't know that that's what bills doing but I honestly thought when I saw Mac Jones in those shorts, did they give him equipment that they knew was going to be uncomfortable, just to see how he handles it and something like that, but ya know your players, you know, promoting his leadership ability. The big word was huggie in the mac and Cam, I feel like every single play when they were talking saying that, the quarterback position was bringing a lot of energy to practice and that's what you want to see. Because those guys are going to drive the tempo. Those guys are going to drive to mood on the field. Those guys are going to keep everybody engaged or lose everybody in the other direction. If it's somebody who doesn't know what they're doing. It sounds like both Cam and Mac Hammer, this team's attention, they have this teams focused. They are setting a tone for a team that plans to do some damage this year. Turn around their struggles from last year that that all business attitude is so huge. As it's as it was during Brady's error and and that's good to see because that's one thing, you can't Scout, right? We could talk about Mac's arm, we could talk about his ability to read the field as ability to make pre-snap checks. We can talk about that at home, you know, you hear this and that players that Alabama. Do they like him? Don't they, whatever? You don't really know how a 22 23, 24 year old kid, is going to Comanche NFL offense, until you see it. That's a complete and total unknown, and it's very early, it's one practice. But you have to, like, what you saw from Mac Jones in that regard? I I actually saw, I wrote something about this, for 98, five, The Sports Hub. Com today, and in the Tweet, you know, I just he's it as Patriots players, noticing similarities between Cam Newton and Mac Jones and everybody instantly without clicking the link. That's why I always click the link everybody without clicking the link assume that was some negative comments were like, oh know, what's wrong with Mac, blah, blah, blah blah blah. Did Patriots fans have some issues with Cam Newton. Some of them are certainly Justified. But boy, if I could have my quarterback learned being a leader from anybody, Cam Newton is very page. That lists the way he captivated that team last year, the way he held that locker and the way guys wanted to go to war for him. Specifically, you can't teach you can kind of teach it, you can't really teach it, he had that trait off, if Mac has some of that trait as well, and if Cam doing that can kind of rub off on Mac a little bit, that's huge. Yeah, I do want to talk about Mac Jones as well, because we talked a lot about our excuse me about cam as well. I thought about Mac cam, clearly is still the starting quarterback in everybody's eyes, right? He's the guy we talked about, Matt, taking the second reps, Campbell's until the starter after the draft, right? And wrong is the starter after the draft. And today, nothing, they did nothing today to dispel that right. He was the first guy in every single drill. He was the first one up. Now, I think the good news is from birth. Solidcam was the arm strength. Looks like it's very much still there, right? You use whipping the ball around today. He had plenty of zip on his throws in terms of driving the ball down. The field didn't see a ton of money Cordy Falls or anybody besides Brian Hoyer, which you can get to in a second. But for the most part it was just, you know it was ten, twelve yard grows and cam was doing a pretty good job as if it had, it had his foot worth look cuz he was supposed to focusing on that this offseason, right? So I would say look, I think everything, I think the arm, his arm and throwing motion, his throwing motion is what I'm trying to say that looked exactly the same as it always has, right? And we talked to quarterbacks coach Jedd fisch, we talked about. To Josh McDaniels last year, whole lot about the fact that at this stage of his career Thirty One thirty-two years old, ten years in the NFL, you're really not going to change the delivery, right? The way the ball comes out of his hands and the way that is our moves and stuff like that, that's pretty cool. Set in stone at this point because he's had so many repetitions of doing it the same way that any chance of kind of training him to do it. A different way is probably asking a whole lot of him at this point. Now the footage, I thought was pretty solid today and the one thing that I would say is that does clearly seemed like he is trying to throw from a higher release point and keeping himself on the balls of his feet a little bit more and keeping himself upward, you know, taller when he throws a football in keeping those shoulders parallel, which I think is really important as well. We talked about throwing mechanics, you don't want to have that backwards, tilburg, right? You want to have those shoulders parallel, you want to step into the throw? You want to be in an athletic position. I think at times last year, Tim did kind of, you know, squat a little busy too much when he was throwing the ball and that's when he got that really wide base in his footwork, sort of got away from him today, it seems like he was at least trying to emphasize Footwork in terms of being a little bit taller, being a little bit more upright, as he went through, the throwing motion, and I think that that's something that will be beneficial to him in the long term. But with all that said, and I don't want to like look too much into one, practice or anything like that, but he still had some issues controlling the ball, right? Like there were still some throws. There was a woman in seven-on-seven am at Lacoste. Actually have to make a diving catch to make the catch. Can't come through it. A little bit wider than when he drove and caught it, there's a couple throws in just, you know, against Arabs or the ball, got away from them, just a little bit, maybe the wind was a little bit of a factor on one or two of them a little bit windy, when he was throwing it one point, but for the most part, the arm looked live alarmed. Look good. I think there's any concerns about the shoulder. We're still talking about consistency with accuracy, though. A little bit with Cam. Yeah. And I mean, that's something to that will get a better idea of that once they're running full speed and that will be until July but right. It's hard to tote. I mean I saw your Tweet working where Mac has to jump up and get the ball, that was a signal block away. I can't really good catch to be fair. Cam was kind of goofing around a little bit goofy, don't know, I didn't, I mean, I didn't want to make that throw seriously. But like, you know, you look at that kind of thing and after the year he had last year, certainly going to Garner more attention. Yeah, but that kind of stuff you put more stock into it once they're going up against a defense once they're running eighty ninety one hundred percent, you're just not going to get that note DA's office, right? The fastest-paced team drills that seven-on-seven. They are probably going, maybe, sixty-five, seventy five percent, you know, something like that three-quarter, speed, maybe, and took em did probably have the best. I would say like in game Throw like a throw that would actually exist in an actual NFL game. Brian hoyer's default to Nelson Aguilar looks like the corners on that side of the page. The same thing on that side of the fuel, kind of fell asleep, a little bit Aguilar, got behind them and Brian or threw up an arm pain to get it down there to to Aguilera made a great catch and we can talk about how you are in a second but the best throw away from a hits. The top of the drop makes the right. Read gets the ball out, puts it in a good spot and we move the chains was throw to Nelson Aguilar. Along the sideline from Cam Newton, they dropped it to cover Through the corners bailed and he hit him on like a 12-yard. Come back route along side Lot from our vantage point, it looks like I'm kind of was leading him a little bit too far out of the sidelines, but Idol or I guess the coaches gave it to him right there. They said that he got his it was able to tap your toes in and everything. So that was by far the best out of mac and Camp. Certainly that was the best downfield throw that we saw out of the two guys. So I don't think Tim did anything today by any means to make me concerned like it was turning on itself obviously but not you know, any thoughts? Concerned at all with all from camp today. So I'm pretty optimistic day for, for all the quarterbacks I mentioned, Brian Hoyer had, probably the highlight of the day to Nelson Aguilar. Now, it's sort of the same place I wanted to take it was speaking about Hunter Henry and agholor. And just the fact that it was nice to see two, real NFL weapons on the outfield for the Patriots again, right? Like, we haven't really seen that since probably 2018. I guess with Edelman and Gronk, both out there and training camp, but to see those two guys out there and it was pretty, nice crystal clear, I would say especially with angular speed and it under Henry's, just route technique and detail and stuff like that. That those guys were on a different level than the rest of the crew that was out and it was, it might be a breath of fresh air. Josh, McDaniels to go out there and practice and know that you at least have two guys that are above average. You know, like, you know, guys that can really go out there and make some plays off. Take a second to shut out our friends at betonline.ag BetOnline. The fastest and easiest way to be an bet on all your Sports Action baseball season is in full swing. And you can track all the action at BetOnline, get all the latest news, odds and info for all your sporting needs, including MLB NBA NHL and all your UFC MMA action, real-time updated odds and props. Almost everything you can imagine. But online has you covered for all the news scoresandodds, the best way to place your bets, and it's free to sign up before the next pitch. Head over to bed online on your laptop or mobile device and take advantage of the 50%. Welcome bonus on your first deposit but online, your online Sportsbook experts, don't sit on the sidelines anymore get in on the action. Don't forget to use promo code seal on this 50 to receive a 50%. Welcome bonus with your first deposit and they're going to get Johnny Smith to. I don't, he wasn't there today right now it wasn't there today. So but that job It's certainly got to be exciting and in this is kind of what we've talked about. I feel like maybe it's harder for some people to picture in their heads, but, you know, you've now see it on the field and when training camp comes people who get to see it on the field that off, you know. Yeah. Adding that one Superstar receiver. That Julio Jones would certainly be nice but they've built up an offense. Now they have options real legitimate options guys who can get themselves. Open-mouthed you can make plays after the catch. Guys, you can do both at the same time I it's going to look very different. I know people are scared about not having that true number one option cuz of the whole, the Patriots work last year but having a bunch of pretty good options is also, you know, that's also certainly a way to work, so yeah. It's it's going to be exciting to kind of see those guys, again, once they get up to speed how those pieces start to click back, and I think that when you watch Nelson Aguilar in particular, is vertical speed and just his ability to get off the line of scrimmage and get up, but that's what I show, everybody talks about his faith. Like how much does it stand out? I remember last year you telling me like today or bird popped, did it pop in the same ways to Mere bird? I think more. So because when I, when I see with his speed is a more physical speed, like you feel it, right? You feel guys running within you feel the fact that he can get open at the top of the route a little bit better than damiere Byrd as well. And when you watch them run routes, it's really easy in these training camps settings because you can literally just see Aguilar and born and Meyers and Harriet and Gunner. And you just go right on down the line and you kind of, do you like, okay, what's the difference between a guy with speed? Like Aguilar has an ad, I was feed like to kill areas, which is not a whole lot of speed, right? And you see those two kind of contrasting each other, and when Aguilar ran routes, you're like, okay, that's a dynamic route-runner. That's, that's a guy that can really create separation down the field and move down the field. And, and that's something that even laughing. Ordering cap, damiere Byrd never showed me that you know, I don't think any of the guys that we saw last year in Tampa ever. Showed me that and then I I was almost like I watched Aguilar and I was like that's what an NFL wide receiver should look, right. Like that's a guy that gets getting paid. Eleven million dollars to come play wide receiver if for the Patriots that's the way he should move. That's the way he should carry himself. That's the way he should look to him. His body wage type standpoint. Not not so much. I never really saw that with damiere Byrd, right? Like he was fast and you could tell against are that he could move, but he was not, he was not physically fast. Like now you are is and that that was nice to see about that. That whole you were just saying like this is one NFL wide receiver. Just how she moves his know she catches how was your run? You get that from Kendrick born at all? Not as much. You know, that was sort of thing. I think would be as much cuz a girl are objectively better player, but, but we're Kendrick, born in comparison to a guy like n'keal. Harry Richard, Colby Myers. I think he's, I think him and Jacoby month. Pretty similarly, but I think Born looks a little bit better built. I guess I would say than in the guy edgecove is a little bit Slim, Right? You know Kendrick Bourne is built like an NFL wide berth. I think he can run a little bit better than maybe a guy like Nicki Larry, but he's kind of in that Jacoby Myers category. And I whenever I see Kendrick born and this today kind of hammered his home like what they thought they were going to get out of Mohamed. Sanu is sort of what I think they were going to get out of Kendrick. Bourne is a guy that certainly is not going to win with speed and these types of passing Campo, ta types of jobs where there's no contact and it just running routes Against Terror against light defense. He's not popping, he's not, he's not running by anybody, right? It's not super impressive, but the technique the smarts, you know, sort of The Savvy in the middle of the field to get open the strength of the catch point. I think you can see that all those things are going to be there for him, but no, he's not, he's not dead. Glass g, o, t a type of guy, right? We're not going to write all these things about how great Kendrick Bourne looks in OTAs. I don't expect us to at least we didn't see trade next and he wasn't out there. Today he's dealing with some I think Mike Reiss. It was like a knee issue or something like that but I wouldn't surprise me if we were almost more impressed with somebody like a trade, Nick students in this type of setting. Just because of the speed than somebody like a board game board is going to be a solid player for them but I think that there's still a little bit. We gotta see it once the pads come on. I think before we can really do that one. I do want to talk about Hunter Henry those who every single time Hunter Henry ran a route, Nick Kaylee, the tight ends coach was like terminated Devin asiasi and and the new guy was Troy Polamalu, Gala, I think it is or who magali, magali? That was my mind, the 2018 traffic. So I know he's probably not going to make the team, but 2018, I remember, that's the guy was pounding the table for nine finger Troy. Yeah, so yeah, Troy was out there today. Yep. You have an Asti Asti. Matt lacosse were out there today and every single time Hunter Henry, ran around Nick Kaylee was just like, that's how you do it. You see how you're in, you see how we did that? Do just do that, like, just off of that, right? And, and even against are even against, like, light defense, even against coaches Troy Browns playing cornerback on him, or something like that, right? Like just the way that he moves, the attention to detail the moves of the top of the route. The I disciplines kind of, you know, show The Fakes and then move up the field. He ran one route. A stick nod where he just is going to take the sticker off and then break up the seam and he just like ran it perfectly like you could put that on the on the th tape for adult, you know, young quiet, High School, why tight ends, you know, can watch that row and learn something from it off. And it was both Josh McDaniels and The Killers, like see how he just did. That guy's just do it just like Hunter. Just did it. And that, that to see that sort of level of professionalism, out of a tight end, like I said about. Yep. You are, like, we haven't really seen that since like, Edelman and Grog. And and those guys is the same thing with Hunter Henry like last year, those tight ends in Camp, just don't even hold a candle to what we just saw. I did one practice wage there from the way Hunter Henry moved from the way he carries himself. They were doing that drill, they're just having some fun and trying to throw a football into a trash can down the field and all the quarterbacks are going through. And next thing you know, Henry's got the ball in his hand and he's trying to throw think Devin asiasi is jumping in line and trying to throw a ball in the trash can he'll know, right? Like that's like that's like this is R. Twelve million dollar tight end, you can get some fun, you know, during during OTAs, you know, that that's definitely what the sense that you taught at a hunter Henry. Was this was easy for them. This was a, this is riding a bike, you know, he was walking in the park today and that I want to see from these guys. I mean, he said after practice that, you know, he loves this time of year cuz everything's just kind of slowed down. Yeah, it's not as intense, and sometimes you need that, right? You know, this is playing for the Patriots game. To be an intense experience. It's an intense environment, but it can be tough to learn like that. So to show up now and kind of be able to take things that his own pace to start and keep things light. You know for for when everything really hits the fan come in July and training camp. I think that's a good thing to see. I think having that mentality is good and there was always this worry. I think it maybe it's not as bad with with Belichick staying but I think I was weird. When Brady and Belichick left light bulb, how much would the culture change and obviously, they'll check still here but it doesn't feel super different. It doesn't feel like the foots come off, the pedal at all. So you know a guy you guys like that. A guy like Hunter Henry who signs that big deal and still comes in and is going to OTAs, you know something like that. I think is certain you know cam showing up in OTAs. I you know that's certainly encouraging that these veterans them are showing up for for those rules. Yeah, I think the four quarterbacks all showing up for OTAs was a really good message sent us the team that this year is going to be different that cam was taken off. This your very seriously, you know, about Coach Belichick said this morning that everybody has been there since the jump. Like he's been there for very beginning and he's been a participant the entire offseason program. So I think he knew and can't talked about it. So much over the offseason when he did those, like, sit-down interviews and stuff like that or the thing with the, the, the whatever it was called with all the former NFL players. Were they all sat in a circle and talked about their experiences and stuff like that. And he said, like, I never knew how important OTAs were until last year and I never knew how important all that that summer stuff was wage. See him there now, I think really does bode well for the rest of the year even though there were some big glaring absences. Right? You know, Devin mccourty's, not there, Stephon Gilmore's, not there. They Hightower. Wasn't there long as you Don and Johnny Smith weren't there, JC Jackson wasn't there but at the same time they're sixty two players showed up. That's a pretty good turnout. A lot of those guys were veteran players, obviously it's a very veteran. Yep. A team and a lot of those guys were there as well. So it, it felt like a good a good showing and it felt like a pretty good group of people that that ended up showing up weekends off a quick minute about your boy, Gunnar oshetski and Jake Bailey, Bailey is like he's he puts on a show. I mean you've seen it. You didn't stop watch him though. I didn't I didn't stop. Watch him. I didn't stop watching. I'll try to do that in minicamp but I mean he's out there and like you lose sight of the ball and it's not Gunnar. Muffed one, any point up to the Sun and there's like, you kicked it so damn high that I couldn't I couldn't see the ball coming down. You know, this guy just booms it, it's crazy. Like, you know, it's just crazy to see that kind of foot up close and change that close. Like, you see it from the Press Box? You see it from the stand, see it on t v. But when you really get to see it, as close as you do and like a camp setting, it's just a absolute Boomer of a leg. I mean, it's really impressive. He puts on a clinic every single time you punched the ball and practice. Yeah, you weren't excited when they took. I'm just pointing that out. You know. I wasn't working together. Oh, Alex can do the threat on that one, little know, he needs to be easier to play a key role this year he really is. And with that defense, they have the more aggressive, those guys can be the better that defensive unit is going to be and the key has to be more aggressive. They have more Field behind them and that's on Jake Bailey and that's all field position. So you know I said it before, I've said a million times, I'll say it again. The best weapon for defense can be a good punter and Jake, Bailey is a good job. So I'm excited to see how, how that all comes together complimentary football. Yeah, gonna is out there doing his phone return thing as well. There's no contact so, you know, he's just leaving through guys. But I thought he looked at him and to kill Harry. Unfortunately, I thought look pretty much the same as receivers, you know, I didn't really see any big jump for those guys. I thought I saw a little bit of a jump for Gunnar last year as a receiver, in terms of the wage, For sickness and the quickness and stuff like that. So I don't know if there was another, I think there's a comfortability gear still there for Gunnar as a receiver, right? Just kind of understanding, feed the feel for the position wage I think can improve for him. But in terms of his movement skills, I think he's kind of, is where he is at this point, and we see it on Prime returns and he can certainly he's explosive, right? He can survive and move on an NFL field. So it's really just more getting comfortable with doing it as a receiver versus as a punt. Returner. That's sort of the next step for him. So I don't know if he's necessarily moving any faster than he was last year. Saying with nikhil chinapa the same thing as last year as well. We did, how about how about Jacoby Jacoby. You know last year in Camp to Kobe did absolutely nothing right? He was hurt for a while. Yeah. Yeah. He was wearing the red non-contact jersey for a while. That's a lot of the reason why he had a slow start to the season and didn't get in there until that San Francisco game really was. Because of all those factors. He was comfortably in the top, three wideouts, right Aguilar, born Jacoby, that, that was the group and it was pretty obvious that, that was the group that Josh McDaniels is counting on, you know, he's hoping that he can lean on those three guys at that position this year and Jacoby looked, like, Jacoby off last year, you know, towards the end of last year playing and everything that we saw at that point, I don't I didn't see anything today. That said, oh, you know, he's taking a step back or or anything like that. And I think it was, it was pretty damn clear. They broke the Huddle a couple of times with regular born Myers under Henry and you're like, okay, well, you know, John is going to be in there obviously and and that's To be a factor but other than that, that that's going to be the group, right? You know, those five guys if you put John you in there as well as kind of going to be the group that they count on in terms of catching passes. And and that was the group that was out sick today, in terms of Defense, it's tough to evaluate defense. If you can't hit anybody is that that's a tough one. John Williams did have a nice pass break-up to end game seven on seven. So you work cuz we talked about on Tuesday, did he work more as a corner or safety? Mostly as a corner on the outside and the practice of they were using Kyle Duggar and Jalen Mills, a ton of State because Devan McCord is not there. So those two guys are getting a ton of run at both safety spots right now, kind of just interchangeable back there and sort of learning both kind of points of view in terms of the offense or in terms of the defense, excuse me. So that was good to see with Mills you know playing a little post safety playing a little too deep with child Duggar then both of them. Updating from low to high and stuff like that. To Juan Williams played mostly outside corner. Now they don't have a ton of outside corners in Camp, right? He's the third outside corner on the roster and he's dead. Now JC wasn't there today, okay, so couple of guys were there earlier in the week, trade Nixon JC, that weren't there today. So maybe some wage week something or something like that, then led to them sitting out today, right? Okay, so, so the reason I'm wondering cuz again, we talked about this on Tuesday. Third Corner, roll is huge, especially with us, not knowing were to happen with Stephon Gilmore. So you know, John Williams hasn't had a ton of run in the NFL. I've been behind JC Jackson and Stephon Gilmore for most of his career. So I think especially as long as played, if someone's been a safety. I think these reps are immensely important for him and for the team. So it's that, that's good to hear that, he's playing outside corner and and, and he's playing well cuz they're going to need that. Yeah, he looked like he was holding his own like he kind of always does. Like I never really think that John Williams looks like he's swimming in it or is like he's not a player. Again, it's just two guys. He's behind it stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's very tough. And that, that's why I always say that I'm not giving up on jawanda Williams quite yet because whenever we see in that camp whenever we see them in a preseason game suck it gets in at the end of a game or something like that, I don't know. I asked my throat, of course isn't. Yes, it never looks like he's overwhelmed, you know what I mean? Like, it never. Looks like he's getting blown away by the talents or anything like that or just getting, you know, run by or or anything. Really there's a couple of times when he got run by by like damiere Byrd or Phillip Dorsett or something like that was like you have a six foot four corner, you know I'm five nine burner. Like obviously he's not he's going to have some tough time keeping up with Phillip Dorsett on a globe. All right you know but when he's in the right match up and he's playing the right techniques. I think he killed his own so I'm not completely giving up on him either. Yeah, I mean he can't right now cuz I don't know that there's any other options. Right? But he has a guy. That's a good girlfriend. Took you bringing me some water so I can get this. I need. How about guess, how bad was the pollen out there cuz it's been bad for me. And so like in case people don't know because of cold but it's limited. How many people can go to any animals there today? I wasn't, but it was, it was hot. It wasn't my my allergies were all right, but it was hot. It was eighty-five and sunny and you know, where you're out there in those metal bleachers, right? So they said they, I feel like they do this to the media for our biggest, our brains, like get foggy, or something like that. And we like kind of like with like I'd so much rather be out there on a day like that than, you know, what do you do in the pouring rain? Oh yeah, yeah, I'd so much rather be out there. That's like the ideal day. It was a tall drink of water out there today. You know, it's eighty and sunny got football players playing football. Again, it was great, it was it was it felt like normal, you know, it felt like another taste of normalcy, but I think that, that look, I don't want to go all in, on all the time. Like I'm not going to tell you what will Sherman look like. I'm not going to like we don't. We don't know that yet. So let me ask you this, like, did he? I'll go back to talk about Tuesday. Where, where was he working regardless of how he looked. Was he playing tackles? He played guards, and he take any snaps with Center, which he's been working on. Did he do any of that? So there was some guard and tackle for four wheel Sherman. He was doing a little balls on when who was also doing a little bit of both wage which is what he told us the other day. You know. So that that right consistent with that. So there was a lot of shuffling on the offensive line. I Ted Karras was wrapping a guard which doesn't surprise me because Andrews was playing center, right? So, you know, there there was besides carrots and Anders or Center left guard. For a lot of the of the drills and they were out there together. So that was pretty consistently that group, but they had Sherman they had on. When you, they had a lot of different guys rotating. Korey Cunningham played some snaps of tackle, which is Will Smith Happening when in brown were both not there, right? Yes. So I don't expect to see Trent Brown OTAs isn't Trent Browns stick. You know what I mean? Like he'll, he'll be here July 31st right? Or or, you know, in June for minicamp, think he's going to come out for these voluntary things. But Isaiah one wasn't there either. So, it was really nice tackle. It was Quran on went to Cunningham. Yeah, that does three guys were getting a ton of work in Sherman Sherman. A little bit but I would say he was more wrapping at guard. Okay that's interesting. If you have to say the majority you know of his snaps I would say it was more a guard than tackle. See that's that's interesting to me because he was a tackle in college and I wonder if they're just trying to get him more work, regard to truly turn him into a four-spot player. Cuz like I said on Tuesday, I think if you're comfortable with him, in four spots, right? So teams generally keep nine offensive lineman nine to ten offensive log. Right, right? You're starting five one backup tackle at 6, went back to Interior, lineman that 7:00. And then one backup center is 8. And then sometimes you'll floater is Sherman. Can be both the third-string guard behind carrots and the backup tackle that just eliminates alignment. You have to carry an because it's going to be. I'm trying to do the math in my head, so I apologize if I butcher that but you get the idea, right? If if you can you normally have a backup guard and a backup tackle is Sherman can be both. That's one less guy. You have to keep on the roster off and it's one more roster spot you have for wide receiver for a running back for linebacker where they'll certainly need the roster spots so that that's why it's a big development to me like, we'll see how he looks. I'm walking to the reason I asked you where he was playing because you know it openly comes down to. How does he play a card to make that happen? I'm not going to make. I don't want to make that judgment off one practice. That's not fair, especially in contact practice for Lima. But the fact that he's getting significant work at guard tells me that that is the plant. That's probably the the plan. They're working towards the path. They're working on with them of turning him into a 4 spot player or five speed five layer. Yeah, and now is the time of year, do all that kind of stuff, right? It just this is where you wrap everywhere, right across train and you do all that kind of stuff. So definitely a lot of that going on with the offensive lineman and David Andrews only said no no no guard or tackle for David Andrews, right? He's stay in place and and staying put in one place. Other than the guys are out there in terms of the players. I did want to bring up first Ernie Adams, just out of the corner of our eyes, towards the end of practice. All of a sudden, he comes sauntering out onto the field and just looking around. Like, is that Ernie Adams? Like what is he doing here? Like a week ago, he was retired. Now, is he unretired again? So like Ernie Adams releases that statement a microwave saying that song, And now it's going to be a fan righty. He's done. He's done and he's going to go be a fan and turns out he's back at practice like the first time that we get to see practice or Ernie. Adams was back out there, went with the towel wrapped around his head, in the arms folded and everything, just like nothing changed. I mean, how many fans would love to be there. He's just the only Patriots fan that has that accurate. I mean, we we've seen this before, we're getting people from the Patriots, retire, but they don't retire the big one, right? Dante? Scarnecchia still been involved, he still talks a lot of these line, and even some of the players like Troy Brown. I know he's officially a coach now but what two to three years there where he wasn't, you know, officially it was a it was on the website or anything but he was trying to practice everyday. I think Deion Branch did that at one point, right? Where they would just show up at practice and work with players without an official role. This is what they do and they keep it in the family. They keep people around. It's a place people want to be, so it's at a smile when I saw her and he was dead. Who's Back, pink? Stripes Forever. Yeah, thanks Travis Forever. And he's not a type of guy either. Like, I obviously don't know, Ernie Adams, personally, but I don't get the sense that Ernie Adams is the type of guy that just can quit like cult, right? In terms of working in football, right? Like when you're that neck deep in something like it's pretty hard to do so long, right? So it's kind of seems like you get mad at the end of practice more. You came out around the same time that Robert Kraft came out as well, to just kind of check in and see how things were going and get a view of the team and stuff like that. So it was generally not you, he wasn't there fully evaluating although he was standing there with his arms crossed staring at the field to play. So it was it was classic Ernie. The other thing that was very very interesting especially off the heels of Bill. Belichick's press conference this morning when he was asked about Matt Patricia for the first 30, 35 minutes of practice Bill and Matt Patricia of our standing next to each other chat rep. About something for about a 30 minutes and it just, it was really interesting to see because it's used kind of like his Confidant like as consiglieri. Right. You know, he's off wherever I kind of point you you go sort of thing, right? And and he kind of has that trust because of his experience because it was in the system with the Patriots, sort of allow Maddie P to just sort of be around and, and just do different things for them. I found it. Very interesting, how close by MattyB seem to be to build pretty much the entire practice. Well, he's the new Journey Adams, right? That's what people speculated and that was kind of Ernie's world. Just said in next to Bill and never, you know, from what we've seen from liked up and I'm sure that's just scraping the surface, but it wasn't always necessarily. You know, heavy football talk. It was just bouncing ideas off each other. So I'm starting to Trisha's a guy. Bill feels like he can do that with. And yeah it could be really interesting to be a fly on the wall for that conversation. Certainly yeah. It was definitely caught my eye. And yep. You know just two guys standing kind of in the corner of the practice field and you're like that's Matt Patricia right there next to the head coach. You know, getting this is brain picked about some drill, they're probably doing or you know, something like that and that was that was pretty interesting as well. There's still a lot of questions. Obviously, in the chat, I saw some training Nixon request, right across. Not a practice today. He's dealing with an injury, so we didn't get to see him. Yodny cajuste is still kind of a ghost like he, he was there, but I didn't actually see him do anything. I don't think I got a next week, if we, we get to go back, I'll have to be more careful about looking for that and seeing if could use is doing anything, but we did attendance and he was one that we checked off, you know. So so he was he was physically out there but there's a man, the myth? The legend? It's crazy. He's like he's literally a ghost, didn't see much? Yep. Out of any of the alignment quite frankly, you know, they're they're, they're barely going full half speed at this point. This is all just mental Reps for them. So, it's kind of hard to gauge anything. For many of those guys kill Harry in terms of improvement from him, I mentioned this briefly, I didn't see anything different from what we saw last year with him, in terms of how fast he was moving in terms of his his foot speed or agility or change a direction. And look he's he's a big guy. Who's got heavy feet, you know, I think that that's that's really how it's going to be. I don't think that Iraq a three or four to kill Harry's. All of a sudden going to change into you know, Davante Adams or Julio Jones or something like that overnight. I think it's pretty clear that he's sorta, what that he is, who he is off, right? And and maybe they can get the best out of him by using him correctly. You know, going into this season as sort of a downfield, jump ball, Red Zone, type of receiver, instead of trying to let him run wage. Football, try. Try to get him the ball down the field a little bit more and of course, Alex the questions pouring in about Julio Jones and if it's still going to be before we get to that, there was one other question cuz somebody just wanted to touch on it and get caught up from Andre Stevenson. Yes. And he was a guy. I was a little surprised, wasn't there? I don't know if I miss something, and he wasn't there, because of injury. I apologize. Right. But right, I said on Tuesday, he's a guy. I think even though he's a rookie running back with the Patriots and they don't generally play these guys, I think there's a role for him to win. I do, I think, Rex burkhead's old spot. He'd be the perfect fit for that so I was a little surprised. You didn't take part today, if it was cuz of injury. Obviously, that's unfortunate. And you hope he gets healthy. I think we did see, he was there early in the week, so I don't want to totally put the kid on blast. This isn't to knock him or anything like that. But you know, just in terms of players, we're looking forward to seeing. I think my two I gave at the end of last show where Dawn to Hightower who wasn't there, he just got married a couple of days ago and congratulations to him obviously dead. And then reminder Stevenson who wasn't there either? So yeah, we were all surprised not see. Reminders Stevenson Cristian, Barragan hasn't been out there either. So there's a couple of rookies that have sort of been missing trainings. And I mentioned was not need to, I was really surprised to see reminders, Stevens an absent as well, so maybe it is an injury or something's going on with him. Go, there was only two running backs at practice today, JJ Taylor and Tyler Gaffney for them to running backs on the field. So that that was interest. Kind of tells you why they signed Tyler Gaffney, they signed Tyler Gaffney cuz they literally need him to run practice, like, right. That's literally, like, I'm not going to make the team and these literally here, because they knew going into these OTAs, that they only had one, maybe two running backs, they were going to be able to have out there. So, dated Taylor and Tyler Gaffney got a whole lot of jobs out there today. And I thought, Taylor, look, decent, there was one, throw along the sideline and he ran a wheel route along the sideline laid out for he just missed it, but he's a small guy. So so to see him strong. I like to Adam come close to catching, it was pretty impressive in itself. There's some questions about Quinn, Nordin the rookie kicker of the only undrafted rookie on the Patriots Ross right now, if I am not mistaken. Yeah. No, you're right. He's got a, he's got a leg, I'll give him that. I am hope he has to, I, I don't know if he how accurate it's going to be right? And, and that was sort of the question mark, I believe and, you know, kickers better than me out, but I think that was the question mark coming in, but he definitely has a boot, you know, he can kick the ball far out, whether that's, you know, kind of comes to fruition in terms of accuracy, just hit the ball far, how about a quiet? Oh, how to look why. Oh, why? Oh, you know, was pretty quiet, throughout Camp practice today. I should say not a ton of of kicks for him that I, that I can remember Norton was kicking. They had a. I was home. In between type. It was when the quarterbacks are doing the trash can thing, and there was a the other field, there was one returned going on. So the backup, Long Snapper, and and and Quinn Nordin, those guys were kind of working out on on the field by themselves and that's when I saw it and kick, and he drilled a couple that that were looked pretty impressive agency, Aguayo kick very much. I think you kick once or twice and I think you may have both of them but they were like from like thirty-nine forty, kind of extra points. So, nothing too fancy with that say about him. So I'll say this with the kicker's. If you want to know what to look for in a kicker, there's a number of things but here's the, the one basic kind of thing that applies to to all kickers. How may you repeat how often do they repeat their motion? How consistent is there kicking motion? That's what you want to look for. And it really comes down to details, you know, cuz some guys, they'll do like been there on a little bit, some game. A straight arm, some guys, the shoulders in some kind of the shoulders back, you know, you pick up on the little things, what, what? Angle do? They plant their foot at? How far back, do they bring their leg on the wind up? You know, how do they rotate their hips? You just look at all the little else what they're doing. And then when you watch ten kicks, how many of those things do? They do on all ten kicks. That's where accuracy comes from Powers power. You don't really, you don't really need to scout. That you just kind of know. Like you said, you can tell the guy can kick the ball far. Most guys, by this point have the leg to in theory. Hit a fifty fifty five yard field goal. The question is can they do it with any consistency? Because the home you get, the more you're jarring your body and you it's like a golf swing, right? You the harder. You swing. The more likely, your swing is to fall apart for all of us who play golf and like just as an analogy here. So when you look at kickers, it's the same thing, it's all right, as he swings harder in the more times he kicks. How much does this motion change or can he keep it consistent? Can do the same motion over and over and over again. I know of Scouts who are literally scared kickers by they take ten kicks. All from the same camera, angle in the overlay them in, literally watch them all on top of each other. To see how much it lines up. So that's what do you look for a kicker? That's just look before. But if you know, like you said Norton only kicked a couple of times if I only kicked a couple of times yeah it can be hard to get the picture from that. Yeah, there's no there's no field goal. You know. Today where they are kicking field goals quite yet. Nick Folk wasn't there so they were not quite there yet the kicker's they did. I don't know if they did this last year and I just forgot but they did change the field. So the field they also across two years ago, okay? So maybe I just forgot last year that it was like that as well. I remember them being up and down know cuz you know what last year cuz they do them that way for a 2018 nineteen. When I was there it was the long way they went across for OTAs, an up-and-down for training camps. So there were no OTAs last year so you wouldn't have had that link right, right. Yep. Yeah, they did their across right now. That's things forever has to paint the lines that they to flip the field. He loved that job. Go out paint the Fiat groundskeeping. I mean I've done groundskeeper baseball. It's a ton of fun. Okay. All right, I'll take your word for it. That seems like a sunburn in a long day to me, but I'll take your word for it. That is fun. I actually ended up Julio. Yeah I do want to just take Julio and maybe hear their questions. We want to do another Boston Sports minute. If we can do we got a couple more minutes but here's our first question on on Julio the percentage chance that Julio Jones is traded to the New England Patriots, Benjamin Allbright tweeted right before I I, I, we started this game show that it's in play and I trust Albright. I think he's got some, some good birdies out there. So I I think it's at least in play, do I think it's more than 50% chance know, I would suggest. Maybe I'll put it at 33.3% see so I was going to go as high as forty. I think if you asked me to pick the Patriots or the field affect the field. Yeah I think there's a better chance, he gets traded to a non New England team. The New England know like if I'm setting odds in Vegas with Diana, Rossini's report today, that the Titans are along The Patriots are my favorite so that that's what it comes down to. Like I think he's getting tired. I think that's a foregone conclusion. I don't know that anybody outside of maybe some really unrealistic Falcons fans, just agree at that point with diarrhea. Know I I think he's getting traded. I think the Patriots are the favorite, but I think it's closed and I think that there's more teams involved probably than we know. So yeah, I'm probably about 35-40 somewhere in there. I'd say, I'd picked the field up against the Patriots if I had it. That is that any of the 30 other teams, that the Patriots, I'd say it's one of the 30 teams, but I think if you're going on an individual team basis, the Patriots in my mind, have the, the most to gain from it, with if the Titans are out and I don't think the Packers are realistic. I think the Patriots have the most to gain in that case. And I think it later wants to send him to the NFC and a lot of the other realistic teams are in the NFC. Now, I think the Colts I think the Chargers Are certainly threats. Those are probably going to cause. Now they're in for me. The calls, have the tough thing to overcome of the one strain, right? They they traded a bunch of pics for Carson Wentz. So I think they traded a maybe it was a, a conditional third or something like that in the first, right? For Carson, Wentz was the deal. So there's that pic, that's the second, but could turn into a first choice, right? It's going to be a first like right after your laundry wrong. They can't trade The Furs because if it turns into a first and they don't have a first, so I'm pretty sure that they're they're caught. They're now they're found out there that there is a first-round pick on the table for Julio. Kind of brings us into the next question. So I just going to poke propose this. Be brought up in the chat, we can do, we can do this first cuz it's just so applies, right. So what was the highest that you would give up for Julio Jones? What's the most you'd give up for Julio Jones? The the package that I continuously here for Julio is like dead. A second of 5th and Stony Michelle Wright a second V and nikhil area something that's too decent pics and a player that's Thursday NFL. Roster role player right we're not called we're not trading him you know a superstar not trading him you know Stephon Gilmore for for Julio Jones but you're trading something with a guy that they are going to roster in 2021, right? Yeah. Probably II V in a player. I might even go second forth in a player. Yeah, if on the Patriots so this is this is not what I want to say before some of it depends on the team and somebody brought us off in the chat. The sleeper for me here is the Kansas City Chiefs. They need to do some cap gymnastics but they've been doing, I mean, they they had no gas cap space one day in the next day, they paid Jo tumne, eighty million dollars, right? He'll figure it out. And don't the, the biggest jump in the NFL draft from pick to pick his pick one song, Too because if you want you can draft anybody. You want the second biggest jump? Honestly for me it's not 2 to 3. The second biggest jump is 30 to 2:33 because there's so much value, so much value with that fifth year, option in that extra year of Team control. So if I'm the Patriots and I know I'm going to need a cornerback or I'm going to need to tackle or I'm going to need one of these high-paid position in the next couple of years. I'm really hesitant to trade my first round. Pick. Now A Team like the Kansas City Chiefs. They're okay. They're okay party with the 30, you know, 29. 30 31 a second. The draft isn't that big of a deal? There's only three teams. Realistically. I think that could make that move Tampa and there. I mean if they do it don't even play the season. Yeah, we need to do is no reason for Tampa to make that trade. I don't even think they have maneuverable cap space, that's not going to happen. The Packers are probably on the outside looking in. But again, I look at their couch space unless they're going to move Rogers and get Julio as a weapon for Jordan love. I don't see it happening. The Chiefs, I think could move it around a little bit easier cuz they have, guys, where they can move money around and they have a little more long-term security than a team like the Packers. Does the Chiefs can move a first? That's who I think thought it was today. That's my sleeper team and all of this. So to go back to question, that's on the screen right now. If on the Patriots 2nd fourth and a player or like 2nd fourth and 1/7, I'd even do a pick swap thing where it's like a set forth in a sex and then you get holy on 1/7 back, something like that. You know, read of there, that's sort of what I feel like Bill Belichick want to do is like makes it a water, figure out a way, right? We wrap. It comes back and there's a pic swap out quite right, I I think there are teams that are in position to offer more than the Patriots and the Chiefs are one of them Kansas City has about a little bit over seven million dollars in cap space, right knee so they would need Julio to agree to a restructure of the contract they could convert salary to signing bonus. They could rip up his deal and make a new one. You know, there's ways to circumvent that number. So the other thing is Remember here is, if you're giving up a first, you just have inherently such a better offer that, you know, there's been Talk of the Falcons of going to eat money. Yeah. If if they get the right offer, if you're Kansas City, just say hey we're the only team offering you a first-round pick. The only way we're going to do that is if you eat some of the money you can free up cap space by just never having that cap. Space hit you by figuring out a way to keep you're not going to able to do all of it off. But keeps any little bit that you can keep in Atlanta to begin with? Certainly helps sort of like an NBA trade, right? Or this is an NBA turn. Yeah, you know, another team kind of the team trained, the player pays a little bit of the players salaries, so that it makes it baseball. They do it all the time to where we're at one teams play in half the guys salary for the rest of the year or something like that, so they could get creative like that. Took him to Kansas City. I can see that to see the Chargers, but from what I saw today from the Patriots and I I'm already in on Julio, like I really think it's a great idea for the Patriots. The fact that Mac Jones is made such a choice. Impression and has already risen up to be two and all that kind of stuff you you put Julio out there with Aguilar and Hunter Henry and Johnny. When he eventually gets in here and all these guys can you just make the job on Mac Jones so much easier, right? And and we talked about like all these great guys, you throw into in college and Devante Smith and Jaylen waddle, and he's got this Talent around him. Well, when Mack Jones had that Talent around him, he won a national championship in through 40 touchdowns and and had all these great stats of the Heisman Trophy finalists. So I'm not saying it's going to be an MVP finalists name Jones in here or anything crazy like that but if you find most yeah, if you could do that with what he had at Alabama and he's got great Supporting Cast here in New England and why can't he be really good player for Life treats right away. Right? You know, I mean, it's that sort of argument against Mac is is physical talent and the fact that he's throwing to a bunch of number one, you know, first round draft picks a wide receiver wage Who has the first round draft pick, you know, like, you know, there you go, right? So all the people who want to compare them to, you know, Greg McElroy AJ McCarron, right. Who do you think those guys suck? It was literally Julio Jones. Right, I know that Greg McElroy threw to Julio Jones. I think. Yeah, I think that was the Karen. So that's our ten minutes on Julio Jones that we have to do until June 2nd when he's trade and hopefully there's a chance that she might find out that this deal is done in principle before that June 2nd Date kicks in but that will be the data officially gets underway because of the cap implications there. A couple of other patients here. The Dante Hightower question continues to come up by the way it was Greg McElroy thrown Julio Jones. They were hope to see if you're both the same year I don't know how I pulled that out of my ass. I go off Warner was macaron but okay anyway I was proud of myself for that so yeah. So here's a Hightower question. We did get a kind of an answer from Bill Belichick on this this morning. I would change Alex with Dante, Hightower saying that he expects everybody that's currently on the 90-man roster to play this season. He doesn't expect anybody to retire at this point. So I think it's safe to say the head coach unless he was lying, which I don't think he necessarily was would be surprised if Dante Hightower retires at this point. Well he did throw in that whole economy you know, things change that's life so that that that's telling me a little bit. But, you know, I'm not putting any stock in Hightower not being there again, you just got married, you know, shout out by the way to him and Aaron Rodgers for figuring out to plan their weddings around o t h c o t a so they have a legitimate excuse not to go love it, total power move in Rogers and Miles Teller. We're we're good friends that I learned that this week I would watch t e x equal. Cuz Miles Teller people miles the most of all, the ridiculous things that happen in Project X. And by the way, if you've never seen a great movie now we're talking I just want to, I want to post out there to take. I feel strongly about went down to is Dante Hightower on the screen as we're talking a retiring as we're talking about today, it's I made a connect of all. You can take it down if you want of all the ridiculous things that happen in the movie Project X. The most ridiculous part of that movie is Miles Teller playing a character named Miles Teller. He just randomly appears in that movie and all of a sudden, he's not even like dancing at the party and you're just like, what, what is Miles Teller doing? It going to see a guy named Miles Teller, like the writers, at what? They, they come up with these creative things about the party and then they're just like, what should we name? Miles teller's character. Oh, no Miles Teller and they're just like, nobody asked any questions about it? It just happened. So apparently someone in a chat is saying that Miles Teller is really good friends, with she wouldn't buy that. I don't know what's fun about. Like I'm not a big Hollywood guy. I'm not, I'm not a big into this month, this crew of people, but I don't know. It's, that's interesting. You know, the more, you know, all right. I think we can wrap it up there on that Project. X. Aaron Rodgers Miles, Teller. Are we do? I would do in a quick Boston. Sports minute a student. What do you, what do you think about the Islanders you worried scared? Yeah, I am. I think they're a good team. I think you're a well-rounded team. They've got a little bit of that team at Destiny by Buju. Building was absolutely rocking last night. That was pretty cool to see objectively, boroughs are going to need a hell of a series. They completely shut down. Crosby the Islanders, did I assume they're going to come great defensive team, great defensive coach, they're going to come ready for the Perfection line, they're gonna need a big series from Tuukka. Your need a big series from the defense and they're going to need a big series from their depth players. Mathew barzal, scares me o life as fast. He's good with the POC, he's a scary guy to go up against but I agree. I agree with Leon here, Burns and sticks. That's that's that's my prediction. Feels like that was wrong. There we go. This feels like a seven-game series to me. I'll go. I'll go Bruins and seven. How do you feel about Frenchie getting sent down? It was not for sure, and it's not for dried out of that. But look, I just 31 ABS against the Leafs of anybody cares, prison 6. That's all I'm saying, frantic adero not. I didn't want to see any more frantic Adara. I honestly thought that it was just crazy like even watching him Fielding or like throwing a football back into the infield or anything like that was just anything to do with baseball with frantic Cordero was a struggle for the last three months or whatever it's been. So I I'm glad that that guy is no longer in the Red Sox. Outfield bring on Duran Duran. We are waiting or Nut Cheerios Jared Duran. Thank you guys so much. As long as me, I just know his last name is easy enough, I'm waiting for Duran. There's no reason to wait any longer. I know that they're going to sit there and sell us on the bag of garbage about how he used to work on his Fielding or his baserunning or something lame like that. Bring up the kid died. It's nothing but bangers. Let's go but I mean you messing around you suck. Want to jump into the the gender and discourse on Twitter cuz it might get you and me me to ready for for the inevitable Mac Jones discourse cuz I think there's going to be some, some similar conversations that I was doing it. Well, it was nothing dude, that fakakta three-hour rain delay. We're still pouring when they picked up, after was ridiculous. Celtics, win the Celtics winning game. No, I agree. Slept. And also, this is what I was trying to say earlier about Aaron Rodgers and Miles Teller and I agree, a hundred percent. Groups of red flag to me. All right. It just is, and I think I just, I think the whole groups are red flag. It's just how I think it's a bad influence. I wouldn't want Tom Brady, when he was on the Patriots hanging out with Miles Teller and his wife and actresses and stuff. Like no he didn't get an actress. Yeah, I didn't go off. I don't know. I I don't know that much about Shailene Woodley or miles, I don't know anything about them. I'm not sure. How do you say they're bad influence, or you don't like him hanging out with Hollywood people? In general? I just feel like that, like, those types of fact, they just say, you don't want your voice is going to be on T and hosts Jeopardy. He needs to get to know the entertainment types. I'm just saying that. If I'm a Packer fan, not, I don't even care that he's out of a GM. Believe he doesn't need to come downstairs, right? I don't even care about that. What I care about is I forgot, Tom, Brady, dated Terror, that's, I know you were talking about Bridget Moynahan, but I, I was, I was, but that's good poll. Yeah, I don't know, I just American Pie, great movie terror, Tom, Brady seniors, the one that broke that one up, I believe it was probably smart, but yeah, I don't just want to talk about should hang out with the entertainment, people, especially doing. I just I don't know. And I don't like it. I like it. If your Packers fan and you were fine with everything up until now dead. And this is where you're starting to worry. What have you been watching for the last two months? What were you watching on draft night? If this is where you're like. Oh you know what? Maybe things aren't going good? Yeah, no duh. It's been trending. That way I I don't look at this and be off. This is the last straw. This is the red flag. This is this is this is this like you know this way, right? Like oh yeah I was fine with, you know, he walked off the field and let the team kick that field goal. Hey, I was fine when he demanded a trade on draft night but he's on a honeymoon in Hawaii with if so devoted actress it's about Miles Teller. All right, like I just I don't know, it just rubs me the wrong way. It's all I can say I have no reason to I haven't. I am apps. I have absolutely no reason to think that I have. I'm going off the absolutely nothing. I I I I just got a bad vibe. There are plenty of red flags with Aaron Rodgers, I don't know that hanging out with Miles Teller star of Project X cracked the top ten and no I don't know any other job. Movies miles teller's and I cried every single day. Woodley movie. You never see what God has a great movie. Okay. Oh, you should have seen it, I am a movie miles. Tell her name, I forget who that the supporting actor in the movie, won Best Supporting Actor in the Oscars. That, that was a great movie to watch that. She and Woodley was Divergent, you know, the books that weren't The Hunger Games. Yeah. She's she's she's basically knock off. Jennifer Lawrence. I basically wanted to she has three kinds of movies. I watch absurd, so like you know, like Seth Rogen Will Ferrell let him stay on the movies. I watch mob movies, so The Departed Goodfellas and I watch Star Wars. That's yeah, that's pretty much the extent of what I am never seen Divergent, but all I know is that in Woodleigh is basically knock off Jennifer Lawrence. Like she's she's the other teenage, you know, comic book girl or whatever you want to call in sick. So that's her. Yeah, go go watch, Whiplash. So that's a great movie. That's the one on my list. That's the one thing I will give Miles Teller. Is that? That was a fantastic Movie package but on that note. Yeah, Alex and I will be back on the show. This is one more of this absolutely Alex. And I will be back on the pod on Tuesday. Need a Q&A on Tuesday and then do some OT a stuff on Thursday or vice versa or something like that, but we're going to have plenty more patriots coverage coming up. This is a fun time of year for the Patriots and for our general with OTAs basically it's all hype right now so we get to just have some fun and and think about things that matter way too much that don't matter at. All right, like OT a practices and age, you know, who's taking reps, aware and in the middle of June or or late May or whatever, but we'll be back on Tuesday on the Pod and Thursday of next week as well and hopefully bath. To training camp in OTAs next week and then mandatory make mini camps June 14th through the 16th. I believe it is and then we go back into the the true dead. The NFL off in between mini camp and started training camp at the end of July, but that's a little bit farther away away. So, we'll be back on Tuesday, Morrow, GA talk more questions, more questions about died. Whiplash and Miles Teller and Aaron Rodgers as well. So we'll see you guys then. Thanks for hanging out, everyone.

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Robinson Tagged; Golladay, Carson and Henry are NOT! (03/09 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Fantasy Football Today Podcast

14:10 min | 5 months ago

Robinson Tagged; Golladay, Carson and Henry are NOT! (03/09 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"Fotis cast number three days. You only get one and a half more for the next week. It's probably now we're gonna go over that likely by the end of the day. Richard jamie eisenberg here. We talked about that. We talked about god. Would now we get to talk about four different players in one. Fancy bonus pod allen robinson franchise tag by the bears. Meanwhile kenny golladay hunter. Henry and chris carson will not be franchise tag jimmy. What's the most interesting news item of these four. Oh golladay by far. I mean we thought he was going to get the franchise tag and be miserable with jared goff and now he gets the chance to be a free man and go sign wherever he wants. And you've already seen you know some reports that the dolphins are going to make a run and kenny golladay that the colts make ronin. Kenny golladay. There are some teams. That are going to be into jacksonville. Macaroni kenny golladay. Potentially as well Is going to be fun to see where he ends up because he could really change the dynamic of a fantasy passing attack hopefully for the better and we'll be funding teams. That currently this is just right now as we're talking twenty million dollars in salary cap space and have a wide. Receiver need jacksonville. Miami indianapolis the jets. The patriots washington interesting interesting destinations. I'm not sure if there's one that stands out is the one that we would absolutely positively love him to have. I'm kind of partial to jacksonville on the other end of those passes from trevor lawrence. Jamie hit me when you think of that list. It's a fun list. It's an okay list. What do you think jane if you had to pick one. I mean the jets of. I let me say the colts i feel like yeah the the best he this is the type of wide receiver that that carson wentz is kinda used to injury prone and and yeah not gonna be a ton of catches but wentz likes throw it downfield or at least so far in his career. Yeah love big targets okay. So which destination robinson back with the bears. We don't know who is the bengals through. Which would be really fun. Oh that'd be terrible. It'd be great herbal. yeah right. that'd be terrible. They got boyd and higgins. You are guaranteed to go there. Yeah of course make better. Yeah it's all about borough. That's a team that loves to spend so what destination would get kenny. Golladay ahead of allan robinson in your rankings. If he goes somewhere with shawn watson. Russell wilson well put okay so not a lot. Well let's talk about alan robinson and back with the bears four seasons in his career with between one hundred and fifty one in one hundred and fifty four targets that is a ton third-most targets and football last year and he was wide receiver thirteen per game. Npr needs more touchdown. These better quarterback davey happy about this. I i'm i'm at the point with robinson where i almost don't care. How bad is quarterback. Is i count on him to come through. Because he's been pretty consistently a at least a top fifteen fantasy receiver with gusts into the top five. And i think that he can continue to be that with a mediocre quarterback with nick foles quarterback but if they can somehow someway upgrade or somehow someway trade him to a team that can use an upgrade at wide receiver and has a great quarterback. Then we could be talking about allen robinson as one of the best fantasy receivers that you could draft. There's still obviously the potential of russell wilson. Which as peter king said monday in his column to pipedream obviously shawn watson potential. There but seems unlikely as well. The thing that i think could maybe help robinson slightly would be if they get one of the two veteran quarterbacks that are out there ryan would be amazing because you know he would just throw him all day. Yeah that's something they would consider. But you hearing a lot of out smith to the bears Which would be an intriguing option because you know that smith is not going to necessarily challenge down the field but he would probably on robinson like he's leaned not like non logan thomas due to a big extent His running backs now. Obviously the running backs that catch the ball with three colin coming back healthy. But i think you could still see one hundred fifty targets for robinson without smith just knowing what's there now that's not going to make this passing attack exciting ryan fitzpatrick would but if it's falls in another veteran competing for it then i think robinson they'll be okay if it's a young guy that you know that they draft and they move up to take somebody then that's right. Think robinson may struggle as they move up. And take you know. Lance that would be bad for obvious and the type of quarterback who still has us some room to grow. So let's say. Alex smith is the quarterback week. One for the bears and kenny. Golladay goes to the colts who is ranked higher for you guys. Who are they playing river. The full season ever week one over the season he said we. Well i meant. He's alex smith is the week one starter i presuming wouldn't necessarily be the full seventeen. Yeah i think. I'm still going with robinson. Is this look. I don't know that you could pick to wide receivers that both are on the bears that are bore format dependent right. You know like golladay is such a non. Pr guy in pr guy. What if they're both on the bears. Then alex smith top top five. No i'm just kidding. So hey they could get. Patrick would be yes. They should get both wide receivers. An hunter henry are hendra. Henry is not going to get the franchise tag. Chris carson not going to get the franchise tag jamie right now who you more interested in fantasy as they are nomads. If don't have a team carson. Henry yeah i mean just because the position he plays i think we should go back to detroit for a second though because it seems likely that kenny golladay. He's not resigning their the slow possibility. They did. Make the tyra william signing official today but quitting safest is somebody that went to see if somebody that you should have on your radar with the late round pick know. There's there's a chance that he is going to be right now. One of their top three receivers. It'd be shocking. If he's there number one but he could be there number two and you know just given the target potential there This is a guy that should be somebody considering and i would take a look at your dynasty leagues. Just in case he got dropped at some point and he's worth picking up now. If you're allowed to make knows how williams williams as well. But i think again you know you kind of seen what tyra williams is. We'll have some good moments. I don't know jared goff's quarterbacking enhance his play. So you know williams's somebody that will have some some good moments you couple of weeks can when you your fantasy league but i think more time tonight's is going to be more of a disappointment so there's a this. This is the worst receiving corps in the nfl and is not even close and tj. Hodkinson is is now going to be the fourth tight enough the board. i think yeah people's fourth i mean fifth right now he was fifty already. But i think. I'm going to move ahead of mark andrews just looking at what the opportunity is this. Is this scenario that we talk about all the time of. Where's the receiver. there is. no you know so. He's going to be the number. One option for jared goff and we've seen gough put up some great numbers when his tight ends have been involved in the past just hasn't been on a consistent basis. Yeah jamie. I don't know what jared goff did you but you really don't don't seem to think very highly of him visit jamie thing or this is just taking some shots. I and jared goff jared. Goff has been very good for his wide. Receivers mcveigh has been very good for his. his wide. receivers have been very good players. Tiro but i don't. I don't know that that this is good for golladay. I wouldn't have minded golladay on detroit. Certainly there are scenarios where he goes to a better spot but it could be. It could be worse for him. I mean you knew. He went back to detroit and they didn't make any significant wide receiver. Additions not tire. Williams does not count as that you knew he was gonna get a lot of targets so i don't i don't i want to see him. Be the one as somewhere we all. I mean he's still can still go sure again. The the teams that they've rattle off for the patriots he'd be the one the jets he'd be the one the jaguars he'd be the one now. Obviously those teams have varying degrees of the to the dolphins. He'd be the one colts goal. Colty be the one washington needs to He might say one in washington the okay. So let's say one hunter henry in chris carson more interested in carson. He plays running back. Who's got the better chance of having a great year great year if either henry or carson have the chance got the better chance i'll say carson. I think they're both kind of injury concern type of players. They've had their battles throughout the years of staying healthy carson could still theoretically be in a position to be a lead back for a team that would mean more yardage more opportunities more touchdown opportunities than hunter. Henry could find. You agree jamie. I mean the only difference would be. Is that if they're both great at their respective positions. You'd rather have hunter henry and chris carson. Yeah i mean. Hunter henry could conceivably be a top five tight end. I don't think. Chris carson is going to be a top running back. Would you rather have a top five tight end or a top twelve running back. If it's a top five tight end like a legit top-five tight end like he's pushing to. Yes that would tighten the new cars carson. He's got to go to get a feature job. I mean he still go back to seattle and be the feature guy there that that's not out of the possibility Thing to keep in mind with these guys that don't get tagged doesn't mean that they're leaving their teams most likely they are but it's not a guarantee that they are so you know it doesn't make sense for the chargers per se to tag contra henry for the second time and have to pay that cost as opposed to the salary cap situation being what it is work out a long term deal or give him a big guaranteed deal just for this season alone so i think we still see carson in seattle but if carson goes to atlanta's we've talked about to the jets to the dolphins Maybe steelers you know a the teams that are gonna lose running backs or have some holes cardinals. He he could end up throwing a great situation pittsburgh. No the teams that we talked about that have needs at running back like you. Don't wanna see him in buffalo for example. Don't want wanna see him where he's the head of a committee again so with the chargers. If hunter henry is not back you are talking about a team. That has a new coaching staff but was third in the fifth in the nfl and pass attempts last year and only three pass attempts behind kansas city. Who's third so they were almost tied for third and pass temps and they just lost if heinrich in fact not going back but if you take out week one when it was tyrod tyrod taylor and you take out week. Seventeen where mahomes than play. Then how does it work out. I don't know but i would bet you that. The chargers at the bleep out of that sergeants weren't the chiefs in that regard but henry was number two on the team in targets last year. So there's opportunity if he's not back and does that you would have been second if equa played the whole year now but he also missed two games so i think we've been really close. He missed two games. I think for cove in at the end of the year. I agree with that. I also think that joe lombardi and his track record suggests that it's a good spot for tight end. You saw him make use of ebron back in the day in detroit. He did his best with ebron and other tight ends there though. No well listen. I'm just looking about. I'm just looking at usage. I'm not looking at success. Necessarily need a big slice of the reception share their and he comes from new orleans and the saints abuse tight ends frequently throughout the years. I think tight end will be an important part of the chargers offense moving forward that already has been with herbert. Can i tell you this. Tough guy last year. This is jamie austin. Ekeler averaged six point five targets per game. Tough guy a hunter. Henry averaged six point six four targets per game goal. Yeah basically exactly the same slightly slightly more all right. Well we got the rest of the weeks. Talk about this stuff. Well i think you know again just to look at the along. The lines of his quinta see Check to see if donald is available in your dynasty leagues while because as of now he's the only tight end on the roster and as we saw in the brief xfl stint he was pretty good so There's a chance that he could be the guy there. I doubt it but when be surprising. But he's a guy that's going to have a lot of buzz now that this job could potentially be his. He's six foot eight in three of his ten catches last year. We're touchdowns mike williams said seventeen targets. In the last two games of the season without hunter henry was that what about his best game inside joke. I'll tell you all about that. Joke on thursday. I'll probably forget by that but It's not that funny anyway. So we'll talk to you. We'll talk to you throughout the week. Who does moving to act. We'll be back in an hour with another breaking news pot on jamie dave. Thank you guys very much on them and have a good one. Everybody talked too soon.

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New York Giants Free Agency Update: Kyle Rudolph, Mike Glennon, and Ifeadi Odenigbo

Big Blue View

14:02 min | 4 months ago

New York Giants Free Agency Update: Kyle Rudolph, Mike Glennon, and Ifeadi Odenigbo

"A took welcome back folks here on big blue use audio network. We are providing you with a second on new york giants. Free agency today. We have three moves some recent additions to this giants roster that we are going to cover before we get to that though hit that subscribe button leave us a five star review to stay up to date on any other moves and also had a big blue view dot com for written analysis and also again at the moment updates on any additions to this giants roster i am joe. Deleo joined by. Chris flung today and chris we have we. We haven't recorded in the day because we were waiting for stuff to to settle down and we had enough things to discuss on today's show and we've got three moves a all three them have things that we can talk them. They're interesting. They're not anything that we predicted was going to happen. And one particularly is at a position. That i don't think we even thought that they were going to go. Make a move at and that is signing veteran tight. End kyle rudolph who has a pretty decorated career. Four thousand four hundred and eighty eight receiving yards in his career. And four hundred and fifty three receptions to go along with forty eight touchdowns. His best year came in two thousand sixteen eight hundred and forty receiving yards seven touchdowns in eighty-three reception. So we know that this guy kyle rudolph can be highly productive. He's towards the end of his career but coming in to year. Fourteen million dollar deal to bring him in either to compete. Possibly with evan ingram they might move ingram which is an ideal that's been floated out there but it seems like the priority instead of going getting receiver was. They wanted to bring in a veteran tight. End that is the direction that they're trying to go with with this offense in twenty twenty one. Yeah it does kind of seem to me like jason garrett wanted his jason witten. He wanted that kind of all around tight. End a guy who can catch a guy who can block yet. We know the deal. Total is two years fourteen million. We don't know the exact structure of the rudolf deal just yet particularly what the cap hit will be this year right now per the cap as of this recording which the giants love to torpedo a recording. They do it all the time. The giants have five point eight million in cap space so i have to imagine that his year one number is pretty small considering. That's one of three moves. They've made so far today to curious what they're going to do with the tight end position because right. Now they've got four on the roster they've got kyle rudolph evan engram cayden smith and levin toilolo. So i'm not quite sure what they're going to do. Maybe they're just going to carry four tight ends and play a lot of two and three tight sets. Maybe they're going to try to move. Evan engram we're just gonna have to kind of wait and see their yeah. This only brings more questions rather than answers. Which is why this move is the most perplexing and heck. I'll admit i'm a big fan of off. I think he's a talented tight end. And he's going to provide a little bit of juice in this offense and he's probably better fit in. Evan ingram is he'll do well in the two years that he is a new york giant but the thing that is now perplexing is what are they gonna do. These tight ends. Because they restructured and brought back levin toilolo which. Why would you go out of your way to do that. If you were intending on possibly signing a tight end in free agency not only decent tight end but very good tight end. That is a veteran tight end. So i think that that trade possibility is definitely out there forever. Ingram and the one thing that was floated out there by jordan raanan. Espn is he had said that. The giants were interested in hunter henry of all people that made this move even more confusing because not only were they interested in bringing in another tight end but they were really interested if they were looking in hunter henry as a as an option because he did not sign for cheap contract that was going to basically take up most of their remaining cap if they signed hunter henry so the goal must be to run as many tight ends as possible and get a completely different style. Well rounded tight end rather than somebody who can take the top off defense. And i think that this is a blatant of both of those headlines signing of off and being interested in hunter henry are pretty clear. Indication of that's what that's what they're moving towards yet or maybe joe judge was Quarantining with bella. Check josh mcdaniels for a while they are because this is something the patriots have all you know. They made huge headlines on monday. And tuesday with bringing in henry and jonnu smith and giving those guys big contracts in looking like they might run a thirteen personnel base offense but maybe just one other possibility just occurred to me. You know maybe the giants are going to try to use. Evan ingram as much more of a wide receiver that has been a talk amongst fans pretty much since ingram was drafted. That you know. He is really far from a traditional tight end. he's much more of that hybrid industrial sized receiver type player. So maybe they are to give that a try after all. He's on the last year of his rookie deal. Maybe they could try that option to see if they can't get some can't get more consistent production out of him before making up their mind as to whether or not they want to sign him to a second contract. Yes so there's definitely a lot of possibilities that can come into play here and hopefully there is some news. Spiny free agency that we can say like ok. This was the move that we were hoping hoping for right now. It doesn't seem like there's much of an indication as we're still trying to see what happens with kenny. Golladay as were recording this podcast. Coming up we have two more moves a backup quarterback and another pass rusher joining the giants Before we get to that though we're just gonna take a really short commercial brake support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket. Pay down your student loan. Treat yourself to those shoes. You've been eyeing with progressive. Could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you can be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey to save with progressive in two thousand nineteen support for this podcast comes from cdw and lenovo at cdw. We get that a cyborg. 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Cdw we can design designer productivity solution with lenovo devices that offer fast reliable connectivity to help your people manage their workloads the right way human no for technology that moves you forward trust lenovo and it orchestration by cdw people who get it learn more at cdw dot com slash lenovo client so news broke on thursday morning that the giants are signing mike glennon lung time backup with multiple teams notably the chicago bears tampa bay buccaneers arizona cardinals most recently with jacksonville jaguars and at one point was considered to be one of the better backup turned starters a few years ago when he was a free agent when he signed with d chicago bears now he hasn't really lived up to that height the one thing you get with mike glennon he's enormous he's six foot seven he's going to be a guy that can step in and manage the team in the event that something does happen. Daniel jones were unsure of the specific details of the contract at the moment of recording. This but the one thing that we can take away. Chris is that they wanted to invest more in a stronger. A stronger option at the backup position to protect themselves in the event of something happening to daniel jones. Yep and that is the thing with mike lennon you can say a lot about him. Not all of it. Really great as a quarterback he has a look he doesn't have a great completion percentage. I believe it's right around sixty percent on his career and he's dipped down to the fifties a few times He can turn the ball over but when they can do is throw that ball a country mile he could probably reach the end zone from the other end zone. So that could also point us in a little bit of a direction as to where jason garrett wants to go with this offense you know. Last year we saw in the second half of the season. They focused much more. on short. quick passes a lot of one or two read run after catch type things. it actually looked a lot. More like pat shurmur offense. I think we were expecting. It could be by getting that. Big strong armed backup that. If something happens happens to daniel jones they want a guy there who can execute a vertical offense. Yeah mike glennon provides that ability to do that and he's not obviously not going to compete with daniel jones but has a little bit more juice in his arm. Then cole mccoy did. I think that this is definitely an upgraded the backup position and something that we had. We talked about a while ago when we did the the quarterback evaluation show talking about you know what happens with cole mccoy. Did they decide upgraded. They signed to maybe draft. Somebody drafting definitely still a possibility. In the later rounds if they feel that someone's on the board that they like as a future developmental backup but The mike glennon signing. I think this makes sense. I really have no issues with this. I think that this is a move to just protect your offense and in provide yourself with options going forward in the event that again that possibly daniel jones gets hurt again because we know now after two years he can run and he likes to run. He's not a mobile quarterback per se. Like lamar jackson but he will run and if he continues to take contact there could be other situations where he might have to miss time the other signing and the last one that we're gonna talk about is a edge defender outside linebacker. A feddie oda ingo From the minnesota vikings one year two point five million and he has had some pretty good production in his time with the vikings. So this one again. Another move. That i don't have any qualms with i think this one makes a lot of sense considering the pass rush approach that we have seen For the giants with patrick graham that they don't necessarily need to go after a big fish but they can rather try to get as much out of maybe some smaller names as possible yet. He's reasonably young. I believe he's twenty-six he'll be twenty seven in april said he had ten and a half sacks that were seven sacks and twenty nineteen three and a half sacks last year. He started fifteen games for the vikings. After i i believe it was anthony. Barr got injured so he does have that experience starting I think we should hope that. He's part of a rotation that unless he really forces his way onto the field and becomes a primary star because he is just playing that well. I think he's probably going to be more of a rotation player with lorenzo. Carter notions zimin as he might be. This year's version of cuyler role or jamal sheared. Yeah yeah heck. I think that's the perfect example. The point at is caller. Who had a lot of production previously with the packers. Then took a step back when the packers brought in some bigger names preston's areas smith and after he took that step back. Patrick graham willing to take that shot on him and he was able to be pretty good in his time with the giants. So i think this is a very similar move. I'm hoping that they are willing to explore. Drafting somebody within the first two or three rounds because this pass rush is not necessarily a lateral move but at least gets a little bit better. They still need to make a somewhat of a splash if they want this this group to really improve yet definitely and is going to be an interesting draft just to go on just a little bit of attention as far as the pass rush. Goes i think if you ask five different evaluators you will get five different answers as to who the top pass rusher or top edge rusher in this class. What is and that could make for some interesting options for the giants in the second round depending on what happens in the first round. Yeah certainly folks. That's going to be from us on today's for agency update for the new york giants. Be sure to hit that. Subscribe button to stay up to date if we have any more updates to discuss Hit that Hit that subscribe button head to biglou dot com and also follow us on social media at judy. Leona raptor pay. I and at big lou talk you soon. Folks have a good rest day.

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2020 TNF Chargers-Raiders Recap

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15:02 min | 7 months ago

2020 TNF Chargers-Raiders Recap

"Pass caught touchdown hunter henry statement on a thursday night by justin harbored downfield and the tight end one throw. What a catch touchdown raiders. Darren waller indeed deep. He's got his passes caught. That's guidon again. yes justin herbert. The deep strike to jalen guyton setting up. The chargers at the raiders goal line after a bit of a messy next couple of plays just in herbert finally ends the game with a qb sneak final. Score chargers. thirty raiders twenty seven in overtime effectively. Ending the season of the. Las vegas raiders. Who yes they did it again. For the second december in row they have collapsed and this one hurts more than all the others combined. Dan hans is here with mark cecil. That was joe. Buck with the call on fox and nfl network Mark the raiders are dead and they have no one to blame but themselves because they were set up on the first drive of overtime first and goal inside the charger five they got a little bit cute overly cute Settled for three and then left the door open and we saw what happened yeah. I don't think they leaned on their strengths Darren waller would have been an obvious. Target in that situation in this game had so many twists and turns one theme. And tell me if you disagree. That sort of stuck out to me was that both teams were prancing out there overt weaknesses Like the the raiders. Put all this effort into stopping the run and they did a good job in the chargers out of the gate. One of the reasons that the first half shot by like fifty two minutes. Was that both both teams quarterbacks because you lost car and had marietta were so efficient and that extended to just herbert who was like sixteen for twenty and they were absolute magic through the air and the chargers did the most chargers ever and their over weaknesses decision making special teams gaffes and not getting our the just anthony. Lynn go on. No no exactly. It's it's it's sort of you know spice from every other chargers game but there were four or five plays in the first half in early into the second where i thought. Why are you attempting to run the ball here. I know that that's what anthony wants to do. But when they threw the ball they were very successful early on and probably just should not have gone to overtime. It was the gaffes of both teams. And i mean there's a lot to get into their it. Very imperfect operations and the raiders are not a playoff team and over the last almost a month. They've proven that and they've lost the quarterback now but maybe found a better one. Yes well okay. That's a loaded comment for the night. It was a special night for marcus. Mariota who had been in mothballs for essentially a year and a half came to the raiders and couldn't even beat out nate peterman as the backup quarterback until three games ago. That's when he moved up the depth chart for vegas and then derek carr scrambling Looking to see Find someone open in the first quarter toward the goal line toward the sideline does something very bad to his groin. It looked painful and he went straight back to the locker room. You don't see him again and you think oh well. That's the raiders season and then. I was thinking to myself because i had forgotten. Who is the raiders. Backup who is coming on. There's marcus mariota. And i thought that was a big takeaway from the game and maybe it is a drop in the bucket In the big picture of the nfl going forward because mariota will be go back to being the guy that he was for four years in tennessee ever got more of a chance or who knows like the world is crazy and so is the nfl. Sometimes what we suffer mariota was really really fun and i know he had a couple bad passes and he wasn't perfect but i was just amazed that guy could be totally cold coming off the bench with no game action. No preseason as we all know and just enter the game and just be throwing these darts in these beautiful touch passes for forty five yards. Darren waller in the end zone running quick twitch athleticism like looking like a number two overall. Pick the guy the titans thought they were gonna have for fifteen years. So that was like for that to to have that as raiders. Then as john to be john be like not only did our backup. Come in when it seemed like all is lost but he played awesome and then still not find a way to keep your season live. That is bitter. That is a bitter taste. It's a better way to go. And i think it probably helped the raiders that a lot of these teams. Try to find backups. That are similar fits to the starter to run the same exact offense but maryoto came in and completely change the environment with what to do with his legs and i thought that cost a ton of problems for for los angeles. I mean this was the kind of game where i i don't know who to point fingers at. I didn't love jon. Gruden challenging a two yard gain. Okay you got that on the next play. Justin herbert converted. There was the double whammy. Which i don't even know if i've seen this if i had probably slipped memory where they received double fouls on a play Which the only way that can happen with combination of pass interference and face mask and they did that. And it's like the both of these teams sort of were screaming. Say please opponent steal this game for me. In the chargers had their own versions of that there are maddening team and extended the special teams. Michael badgley i i. It's just. I feel like we're saying the same stuff over and over but i guess you know when you have justin herbert. I trusted him to move the ball on that final drive and it would have been nice if just shut it down with that final. Pass a little bit underthrown there but they found a way out of this. I had no idea who was gonna win with three or four minutes left because it was just one of those games. I mean unbelievable. You don't wanna kick anthony lynn. Walsh is down but must sick and this goes for our podcast and everyone else. Everyone has to qualify it but we love anthony. Lynn is a person. Yes it's been said over and over again. Let's just stick to the facts of what's happening on the field guy stinks. He doesn't he in terms of the head coach and the mechanics of the end of a game in making strategic decisions. He doesn't really have it and he's going to if it doesn't work out in l. a. And he doesn't get another year. Which i don't think he will. He will join someone else's coasts. The i'm doing it again. He will join someone else's coaching staff and be a great addition. But this ain't working. I mean you have michael badgley. Who entered this game with seven field illnesses and with less than four minutes to go. You play for a forty six yard field goal essentially with michael badgley which he misses left. They get the ball back. After the chris harris interception they again played conservatively. An attempt to fifty one yard kick and to top it off before he misses that one. I believe it was short end to the left of anthony lynn isis zone crazy. Then the raiders takeover and. I don't even know what they were. What jon gruden was thinking. I know they didn't have a lot of time but for it to end with getting near midfield doing a sneak to get the first down and then clocking the ball with two seconds to set up a sixty five yard field goal that then you're the snap holder drops and you don't even get that off. That was wacky and then that takes us finally now to overtime just spin through as quickly as possible. Mark all the coach foul ups at the end of this game. The raiders get the ball. The chargers defense is gassed at this point And it looks like the raiders are going to save their season. They get the ball and they go immediately. Start marching down the field Booker for seven on the run. Mariota run for thirteen mariota's as jones for nine months for to Incomplete mariota right. Tackle again seventeen yards on the ground. Jeff josh jacobs three yards then. Josh jacobs eight more yards. They get set up first and goal at the four runner jacobs for one yard run for jacobs for negative two yards they The chargers call timeout. Mariota comes out with an alignment with three tight. Ends and mario Rolls to his right. Leaving darren waller in the weakside just stand around doing nothing on a day at one hundred fifty yards and a touchdown and targets alec ingold in the flat. For a little chance of a touchdown score. Four down to kick the field goal. And i guess jon gruden had us thinking i know my secondary was hideously embarrassed in the first half by justin. Herbert but i'm sure they have one stop in them. Are you kidding me. And it wasn't even close and a bad job all around by the coaching terrible job. It did give us something pleasant. A couple i thought rather annoyed troy aikman quotes. One of them was just describing. The raiders pass defense to your point on that last dry but this came earlier in the game and he was just sort of watching them get fried repeatedly and just sort of said. It's hard to understand. And i love that sort of a very troy. Ism where you know. He just wants to be a you know what he's saying. He's used to be generous to gruden and they get a second one. When the first field goal for the chargers he said boy that just didn't look good from the beginning and i saw one someone on twitter named amiga. I'm not sure who that is. Put underneath that quote. Ancient chargers special teams proverb. Because it is it happens every week. It seems to be a weekly thing with them. So i don't know how you flush out these issues without making the compelling case that this coaching staff needs to go we you said it really well. It's not a personal thing but this is just not acceptable in twenty twenty. Nfl circles with the analytics with the with the looks. Special teams cannot be treated as a cast off part of the operation. I mean the lucky to get out of here with a win. I mean they. They was ridiculous they did. And i mean the the raiders season is over and they have just as many questions and grew. Has this ten year contract. I like gruden. I think he's a good coach. But you've got to look at these games down the stretch and these are bona fide meltdowns. Paul gets fired. You didn't see any improvement with rodney. Elliot's the dc that because it's a personnel issue. Probably more than a scheme. Maybe maybe gunther wasn't doing the job of from that perspective but obviously they don't have enough guys and it should be said. It's not just the fact that the guys aren't good enough that they have in the roster. They're totally banged up on top of it. I believe they was missing. Four defensive starters but i mean at their offense coordinator who had who had corona. I mean there was a lot happening in this game. I mean and it was so fitting for the game to end the way. It did where. Herbert has gotten wide. Open for walk in touchdown under throws them but he got hit as he threw it so. Set you up at the goal line and then it gets super sloppy including and you. You know time will forget this. Herbert fumbles at the goal. Line belive ball in the end zone. If the raiders fall in that that is goes right up there with any other bad chargers loss in the last ten years but for once. The chargers don't completely collapsed and burst into flames They recover that fumble. And then herbert goes in just barely on the next play to close it. So yeah. the raiders are done mark we send them out to. The cornfields chargers are already there so they essentially came out to chaperone them into the darkness and that sets up beautifully for your brownies. Mark because the raiders had a tiebreaker on the brownies Is there any way with. Brown's missed the playoffs now. Is there a path i think. If they were to com- they were to pull the raiders in know somehow lose to the giants and jets thinking we can get them. I mean i'd have to. I'd have to dig into the into the math. But i mean like the the but the raiders out of the mix that helps a lot. The dolphins could catch them. The cult's titans the ravens. I mean i should say the raiders. Because of the browns lose outdoor and the raiders. Win out the raiders then have the tiebreaker against the browns. Just take care one or both of the new york teams and the browns to lose three in a row. You don't want to. I'm not going to i try to. Can you contain myself. But that will not be pretty shadow that off all right. I think that pretty much covers it again. It was a game with a lot of stuff going on a lot of wonky stuff going on. I know rosenthal's pissed because this is the type of game where he has about seven thousand points he wants to make about it and i was thinking that we have to try to calm him down but we can't because he just so excited but i'm sure it will come up next week's preview episode and one last note. Marcus mariota one of those weird incentives. Things was going on if he would have won. That game. Got the ball in the end zone. First and goal from the four he would have made a million dollars in incentives. He's still got a bunch of money because he played sixty percent of snaps in a game and his base salary jumped up next year. But it would've jumped up to essentially a one million dollar payday. Alas it wasn't meant to be good for marcus. Mariota you know like one of these shiny couples in these commercials buying multiple cars for each other on christmas. He literally go out and do that right now without any problem. And we've we've taken sixty percent of the snaps onto podcast. Today are we. Is there going to be a hike in our base salary. I would suggest no. We get absolutely nothing and i would suggest because you pointed out the lexus december to remember ad campaign. Which is insane. I can't Snl which has been very hit or miss this year more miss than hit but they perfectly I watched the sent that up this past week. So check that out if you have an everybody okay. That's that's the thursday night football recap next time you hear from us. We'll be with greg and hopefully west with a little bit of a dash of knicks shook. And it's hard just have a dash of that man. But that's what we get on sunday night the recap Flagship show so. Thank you to everybody for listening and until sunday night.

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Top 10 TE Ranks, Sleeper Picks, MEGALABOWL OPENS!

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1:02:52 hr | 2 years ago

Top 10 TE Ranks, Sleeper Picks, MEGALABOWL OPENS!

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One andy mike and jason fantasy footballers welcoming u. the u._n. To another episode it's wednesday august fourteenth. We got the top ten quarterbacks on the show today some huge announcements we have buyer sell. We even are gonna talk tight. Hyde ins as well as i say quarterbacks which we do the last two episodes of quarterbacks. Good news already did it. This is where i check the news and notes. I see the andrew luck's name in there and i see case keenum's name. We're talking quarterbacks jason. I apologize. I can't wait to talk case keenum daniel joe everybody. Everybody just turned off their podcast lick. No jam packed show. We're excited to have you in with us. If you're brand new to the fantasy footballers were a five save our name a week podcast and <hes>. We're happy to have you with us. We're gonna help you win your league going to help you approach things the the right way in your draft gonna have fun doing it. No doubt about it. 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I can just show every single week updates on sunday. I mean there's there's tons of stuff happening over. Were there joined the foot dot com all right without further ado let's get into our question of this wednesday you buy or sell presented by pristine auction. All right buyer sell time guys. We're doing it again because it's wednesday titans wide receiver corey. Davis will outperform his current average opposition of nine. Oh six sell this sorry. It's not a race. I felt like i was on a game show and sometimes corey davis. It may feel like a race to sell. That is the wide receiver forty two that is that is a long way down the list mike but we'll we'll he outperform wide receiver forty okay. It's still our last year sixty five receptions eight hundred ninety one yards four touchdowns every time that mike <hes> says sell. I get worried that i am not going to be allowed to also select a sal which would be my choice. I realized wide receiver forty. Two is very low should be easy to beat but corey davis. Davis had all the opportunity in the world last year. Let me let me illustrate that with. Please join who had a higher target share jar jarvis slander or corey davis core davis jarvis landry. I got you say over the trick question to to emphasize this adam feeling or corey. Davis remember how many targets anything that will get yeah yeah. It's corey davis who would hire targets year corey davis or antonio brown. No no no. He's trying to trick as again. That's that's the problem with corey days not more targets. We're talking market share but percentage of team target. Yes yes it. I'm selling i'm selling. I don't think he outperforms it. Adam humphreys a target hound. They want to run the football with derrick henry delaney wash. It was not there. They added the brown and they're a team that wants to run the ball so yeah corey davis. I am no longer. I don't think i ever was a huge believer but i've i was. I was really disappointed. He's i think he's a good player. I just think he's in a bad situation. You put him on a different team. Higher pass volume. I think he does work always harder to get higher. It's only his third season. He's coming into as well. I saw brooks put entering year three year. Three narrative brooks hasn't been dynasty. I don't i don't know i just think we're getting used to our expectations for wideouts. Problem is the the performance at last year with the market share that he had what was his fantasy finish. I can have an twenty eighteen. He was the wide receiver twenty eight. Yeah i mean he could definitely finish inside right forty two. I'm still selling it. Humphries is going to soak up targets walker brown. The market share goes down the team. Run the football. I'm selling yeah. I mean if he finishes wide receiver thirty six. He outperformed it but i i'm still selling because there are other guys at where he's going that. I think have a higher chance to finish asia better than corey. Davis seahawks running back chris carson. We'll have at least thirty receptions this season. There's been a lot about <hes> chris carson having the best hands on the team and they want his targets to be at least in the fifty range okay so let his bat last year he had twenty receptions for one hundred and sixty three yards on twenty five targets and fourteen games. I'm buying. I'm buying no more doug baldwin a lot of talk about involving carson and rashad penny and let's not forget. Mike davis quite a few vacated targeted it. Mike davis leaving. I'm buying chris carson more than thirty receptions. I definitely think he's more than thirty receptions. I mean he was on pace last year for twenty three receptions. That's what she wants. He got the start in week three. You know if you remember those first two weeks he he wasn't that involved <hes> so yeah slight pick-up mike davis being on. I'm <music>. I'm i'm rising alah on chris cars. I'm buying that. The line was set too low. I think thirties thirties not a ton forty. You'd if you had put the line at forty would be harder. Here's watch this. The line is now forty. I would sell. I think he's going to be in the thirties. I would also sell and and i will say this to your point. Mike forty is the number at which i mean arbitrarily set but that's the number where i view a running back as being heavily involved in the passing game all right you got. Let's do more let me see. Let me see eagles wide receiver alshon. Jeffery will top nine nine hundred yards receiving for the first time since twenty four. Yes buy sell you're going to you're going to sell twenty nineteen. Mike twenty four team was awhile ago okay but has been a a number of years since he's done it so i think it's a fair alshon. Jeffery played in thirteen games last year. How many yards on jeffrey free have eight hundred and forty-three guess. That's very very close to nine hundred with missing three games that is a that is very fair but i think that the additions <hes> on this team of mile sanders catching the ball out of the backfield whiteside to sean jackson dallas got her go to yeah i mean it's it's one of those things where that's not. That's not now landers sell it. I don't think he gets nine hundred. I think he may score a bunch but i don't think he is nine hundred yards receiving if if he doesn't get nine hundred yards receiving your prediction of carson wentz leading the league in passing yards is not happening. I don't agree with that i i do. I think if he doesn't get nine hundred yards receiving he will have done what he's done the last five years which is not get to that point and carson wentz was just fine <hes> <hes> with alshon jeffery not getting to that point in two seasons ago so i don't think he needs the yardage. He may be twelve touchdowns. You're seeing sounds sounds for fantasy value. Yeah a white shirt for fancy value or for carson's fancy value carson in my opinion doesn't need alshon to go for eleven hundred yards. How many other guy i'm talking nine hundred yards e. That's an easy by for me. Okay so jason yourself missile by yourself from pristine auction. Check him out of pristine action dot com. Let's get into the news news notes from around the league presented by sleeper. Everybody wants to talk about andrew lock. Also nobody wants to talk about andrew luck yeah. I'm tired of it. Colts general manager senator chris ballard came out said the ankle needs to be addressed yesterday. It was a small little bone being reported by a man who doesn't know medicine jim irsay the latest report tested. The ankle yesterday saw a specialist high english by the calf gallard english. This is what if you make fun of this show for below the shin comments how dare you the last two days small little bone high ankle ish jason. You are a medical genius. I got my doctorate at harvard. How are you feeling today a little wink clich. Here's the thing fowler didn't guarantee he'd be ready for week. One we spoke to dr david chow briefly at pro football document. You don't follow him. Um you should follow him <hes>. He's one of the most trustworthy injury experts in the game. Here's what he said to us. There's very little chance the andrew luck will be one hundred percent week one of the regular season. He's not suggesting that he won't play but the report right now. Is that look. There's not a clear diagnosis. They've said no surgery. It's gonna be rehab so the good news according to david chow it's his lead leg. It's not the push off leg. He can still play quarterback but how mobile will andrew luck be which is a part of his game and if he plays at eighty five or ninety percents. What is that me so. Medically we do know that he won't be one hundred percent. That's what david chow said and if he's not mobile mean what are now what's the increased odds of him getting beat up more increasing in making the injury worse. I don't know their offense of line is improved proved that show but you still have to be able to move around and protect yourself if you if you have to be a statue in the pocket then you either needed make excellent ball gets out right away if you hit. If you listen to frank reich talk about this issue he makes the point of saying look. Andrew lock is a freak intellectually and physically clean if he can get out on the field. He doesn't need much time and he will progress much faster than you expect. We saw that last year. People are freaking out about not throwing a hail mary in week guan they didn't freak out the rest of the season when he was the number whatever quarterback top-five fantasy quarterback so where's your confidence level will you. I know we don't draft the andrew luck of the world very often. Maybe now you can now now. I mean i'm exactly what i said yesterday. If andrew luck drops into that ninth or tenth round i might take him pair him with a josh allen late so that have got protection for the beginning of the season. I'm fine with that other than other than getting him. Near the double digit rounds like he's off my board at current eighty p no chance what i take away a wide receiver running back that could get you know in the sixth or seventh round to who drafted guy that might not be there. He is dropping on fantasy football calculator on august fifth. He was going at the back of the fourth and now he's going at the back of the fifth. Is that a would you call that a small little drop. It is way too high still way too high. It's a big small english drop yeah. I mean you you start to get into the top of the seventh round with the news we have today i would be taking my shots and andrew luck knowing that if he plays you gotta top five guy yeah freaks me out man i should. I sent t. See why hilton dynasty trades yesterday. Oh die dynasty yeah. I'm playing to win this year and if i can swap t._y. For another guy believing even doesn't have the variable. That's how i approach it but he's dominating so <hes> redskins coach jay gruden said darius areas guy still hasn't been fully cleared to play. It's not happening for dairy skies this year. This is why you want. We've said early in the offseason in the middle of the off-season and now he's not the back that you want to trust. There's just been this time line for his recovery if he's just not going to magically overnight be at one hundred percent so adrian peterson right now i think is a value darius. Guys is still up in the air with all the injury issues. Even if it was one hundred percent there's no guarantee of the workload he gets with peterson and thomson an offense is not one that i'm a fan of if darius guys was in this boat on on the existing kansas city chiefs roster. I'd be looking a little bit differently at the possibilities but it's not a lot of upside case. Keenum looks like the front runner to start point in case. Oh so there you go redskins quarterback case keenum cool. I i think this is a little bit of an indictment on where dwayne haskins is that right. Now i know eighty nine weren't giant fans of his potential coming out of college judge but you know i've been wrong before lot to be determined. Antonio brown arrived at training camp with his agent like that. He came with his age but this this is great news news for like browns back. He's gonna play and if you bought the dip. That's what congratulations golden tate losses appeal jason for the four-game suspension. Go to you for live reaction. I know how jason was. He said a word for awhile and he was just hoping hoping hoping he could come on here and <unk>. Oh gloated <hes> but of course this was obvious and everything from the beginning suspension suspension would be upheld. I don't think it should have been. You just wanted to believe you just wanted to believe at one of these guys was gonna. I want want to tell the truth. Yes shame on me. <hes> kenyan drake was spotted in a walking boo left practice his early yesterday walking boot to start practice today mummum. This has been part of the problem for kenyan drake getting a little banged up not not gonna help him establish himself as one no gives an opportunity for the bellagio mr kaelin balaj right now kaelin balaj seems to be the better ed value out of these two guys in fancy drafts as kenyan drake still is going way ahead of him. <hes> you know i'm i'm not extremely concerned about at this until we find out specifics on what it is. That's that's the way people should approach it. 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Show every predated the week and it still feels like there's too much going on right now. <hes> there's just all the camp reports and injuries in preseason game like it's exciting but there's just so much happening. Let's double our shows now jas hours how now now stop i just want to let you know i was in jason. Do an exclusive secondary show medical advice only yes. It's the below. The pine county in wristy ankle is all right top. Ten tied-in rankings plus some sleeper tight right in picks on the show today interesting. We've got the same chart that we had yesterday yesterday. We were looking at where quarterbacks finished in reality relative to their average draft position going into twenty eighteen. There was one quarterback back to outperform their average opposition. His name was andrew luck. There was one that was the same kirk cousins. Average opposition was nine finish nine the rest. You were probably disappointed in your selection. You probably happy with the shawn watson because you draft intimate to finish five when you look at the tight end position last year. Gronk was the the number one tight end off the board now. These these are points per game finished. We're talking. That's correct. <hes> gronk was the tied in one off the the board finished at eight kelsey and you were happy. He was the tight end to finish number. One zach was tied in three finish number two. We'll talk about them today. Otherwise well you yeah you big you you. Have you know jimmy graham at four finishing twenty first greg olszyna five finishing fifteenth and and again these are points per game so it's not just oh they got injured. It's just they they stunk and so here's the reality. If you remember last season there was the big three and then him garbage right it was it was gronk kelsey and hurts and then it was a tier break off of a cliff. You know the same one that the you're running running down the river and there's a waterfall at the end. It's that cliff. That's what it was last year and you saw that that came true this year i would say do. Do you guys agree that. There's kind of a second there. There's a big three but this little middle tier sliver of a couple of guys that i think are more interesting than they were last year and then the cliff then the cliff. I hope you're right about that. I hope we're right about that. I hope there is that secondary tier and it's not a mirage. That's what i help the nice thing about the the middle tier this year. It's not the issue. You're not trying to get the value from the older guys which you still can but it's tough to give up a middle round pick. You know jimmy graham greg olsen. These are older guys for the n._f._l. They aren't the up and coming tight ends and this year those guys go into the middle. Those are the up and coming tight ends of of o._j. Howard evan ingram and hunter henry all young guys who still have have room to grow. I think that i am taking the tight end approach of if i don't get the five any of the five at the right draft so who's your six that is left out <hes> i'm howard and henry's the one the okra ingram and howard or in that category and the top three but you know scott barrett tweeted about this. I heard it on a podcast a couple of weeks ago the tight in scoring specifically the middle tied in six through twelve. It is disintegrated disintegrate over the last couple of years. It's the lowest that the tight end six through twelve has scored in the last ten years. It's not a place where you're finding value. Well the n._f._l.'s those changing. The tight end used to be the safety blanket if no one was open. I knew that the tight end was there. I could check it down to him now. They check it down to the running back. So if if you look at running back rousseff shout out to dennis pitta famous chuck down master as the running back receptions go up you can see the tight end receptions going down so there's only one are you. You have the same kind of you have the exact same five while i do like hunter henry and even vance mcdonald a little bit i you know they're they're two you guys that i'm not sure how much more i like them than some of the just i can take with my last round. Pick guys. We'll talk about that at the end of the show. Some of those super league guys that i'd be okay leaving the draft with and i would. I think if i don't get one of those top five. I'm leaving with one of the guys we're talking about at the end of the show all right travis kelsey is the number number one tight end in football the last three years he's one to one. He's a guaranteed. He's guaranteed production at the position. He has the m._v._p. <hes> <hes> throwing him the football. He's got one of the best offenses in football he had one hundred and fifty targets last year thirteen hundred plus yards and ten touchdowns. He broke the n._f._l. Record for yardage at title position for about an hour and then george kills like i'll take that but you're pretty good anyways so last year. We only had one game that qualified as a bust that was week one when people are like oh no oh patrick mahomes is no alex smith just not that he's not an alex that he's not better than alex smith but we didn't know we had no clue patrick. Mahomes tendencies would be an outside in yeah. I mean i raised my hand as guilty like that the that rattled nerves yeah it did and then he rattled off the rest of the entire season which is unbelievable so we don't need to say much about kelsey he other then you have to talk about early the number one tight end but are you willing to pay that second round pick to take a tight end hoots onesie position. Yes you should theoretically be dominant at tat but also last year. Theoretically you should have been dominant taking rob gronkowski in the second round as well. It just feels different than that though he's played sixteen fifteen sixteen games last three years actually the two years before he played sixteen as well. I haven't taken him okay. I don't know why i probably should jason jason do you have you taken him in many of your marks in the second round <hes> if y- i mean i i think he's a worthy pick. Their the reality is wanted positions sessions. We usually try to avoid go late. Stack running backs and wide receivers but there's just such a huge gap between the depth that you have a quarterback where it's like you know there's twenty two quarterbacks. I actually like there are three tight ends and i actually like and then there's two that i'm like maybe and that's it. I don't want to if i can get value on one of the top three. I'm gonna take him. I think it makes sense especially. If those middling finishes that titans six twelve that's the guys that finished in that spot and they still have the lowest scoring than they've had over the last ten years. I mean there's a big point gap. We bring up the fact that you know trey. Burton finished the tight and seven last year which is like oh yay but that was terrible. I mean trey burton was trash yeah because he was thirteen in actual points per game. You just happen to be there right. Zakar is our consensus to i'm very tempted to flip flop him and george kittle right. Now alya urges to kittles three. I'm probably going to change that very soon but this is the way the stats broke out right now but last year was such an outlier season for zakar. It's which you say wait. He's a really good player of course he is. He's an amazing player. He still we were just talking about alshon jeffery nine hundred yards jeffery was hurt to sean jackson wasn't there <hes> there are reasons to believe that the one hundred fifty six targets zakar. It's it's aren't going to approach that total. Mike wallis who was brought in to be the deep threat for the team last year missed essentially the entire season and the zachert parts is great but will he return value on the pick. Will he be that much of a difference maker like we believe travis kelsey will be you look at zacharias game long. Once i mean at the beginning of the season it was double digit targets in all but two games through week nine he was he he was just an absolute vacuum for targets after that they make a trade they bring golden tate in and golden tate is there for for seven having games and in that time zacharias went double digit targets only twice he was on a pace of eight targets a game which is still outstanding for a tight tight end but if you only scored three times in that time period as well. Is that production enough to make you spend what where's he going via fourth round pick right hours you third-round let me see the eighty three. Oh no i'm not i'm not paying and i will and i will say that because you you know you talk about that. Will you pay it for seventy four receptions for eight hundred twenty four yards and eight touchdowns i if he gets one hundred twenty eight targets which would be the what you said if he was getting eight targets a game that the few times and that's about where i've got him. I think he will return value in the sense that i don't have to play the game name. It will return value to use a fantasy owner right to remove that variable exam your life because the issue is something that hurts ooh. I think i dad gun crude enough at finding wide receivers and running backs in the middle rounds that are going to outperform their you know their situation. I'm better at that than i am finding hits tight in in round eight or nine or seven. That's going to outperform it so yes you do lose something taking that tight in you do and i don't think zakar has good season as he had last year in fact he's mine number number three. I've i i do have kill higher than zakar. It's this year and a half point p._r. Leagues <hes> there should be a target regression coming for him but target get regression regression down to the one hundred twenty. S is still going to be a very known commodity at a position that is so difficult to succeed exceed with on a week to week basis. I think that's a pretty compelling angle for zakar. It's there because the price it's three. Oh nine it's not it's really not reflective of people expecting one hundred sixteen receptions in eleven sixty. Three and eight is it. I would imagine if you're expecting that he'd go higher. He'd be in the kelsey draft rain. It's compelling to say hey sure i can play roulette. I can go for around guy but i don't want to isn't that part of fantasy. You want to deal with on a weekly basis also part of that is your opportunity cost of paying that price ford ford george key for for arts or kill because they're going back to back and those guys that you could miss in that in the time that it's actually so you're pick wants to turn has come around dave montgomery josh jacobs stefan digs chris carson julian edelman mean <hes> now. I know i didn't dress eckerson. Any of my mocked yeah exactly. It's it's it all comes down to the opportunity cost but if you if you wanna play like jason and be a little baby about your tight end that's what you're gonna do. You're gonna take one of the top three. He wants he wants the easy route with the tight end. Position was set it and forget it. Yeah you know i want. I want to have got her to inflex. Got it out. I wanna have my fantasy roster at every position. Be an advantage over the opponent when it comes to quarterbacks. I'm i'm confident that i can have an advantage over my opponent. Streaming meaning implying guy off of waivers based on the match up over the last couple of seasons. It has not been as easy to stream the tight end position to actually with the matchup ago. This teams bat against titan. I'm gonna roll with this guy and sometimes it works but a lot of times it doesn't i i just believe in our ability at running back and wide receiver to patch that whole easier than patching the whole of titan yeah and you're right. Mike wants tate. Was there fillon roll. The target share went significantly down for soccer. It's over that period of time. Dallas goddard's banged up right. Now should be back for the regular season. It'll be interesting to see how your thoughts on god are jason congenial with your your hope for erz because you will be a here. Here's a remember i told you i can see the future yes sometimes when whenever it goes my way those are the times uh-huh there will be plenty of place where zakar owners jump out of their couch put their fist in the air and go yeah an owner. Oh got it now. What catching that test now. What were they doing inside of their couch. That's the real question if they're gonna jump out of the <hes> the couch you don't sit inside your couch on. Mike and i both in our couches wrong. Tell me all right george kid you call them a little baby and then we ganged up on like we say in our couches when he pointed out on the dublin comment. Oh man you're you're. We did praise your medical advice. Though today number three george kittle last year one hundred thirty six targets thirteen hundred seventy seven yards and five touchdowns george kibbe was exhilarating to own on my fantasy team part because i got him off of waiver wire <hes> this year. You got to pay the three pay your price. They are back to back if you want kettle if you want erz they're both at the very back of the third and they're back to back in picks so you just you're taking either the leftover which right now would be killed on an average or you're choosing to take over. I don't think you can stop what george kill does best in the n._f._l. I don't believe he can i. I don't believe that teams are going to approach. It's not like they weren't trying to stop him last year but i don't think you get to go into this year this year. No big place george kill. You don't have the available people full to cover a player that can do it. He did twenty receptions of twenty plus yards. That is the most among tight ends it was tied with robert woods for eighth most among all all pass catchers. He is who valuable of a weapon on a team that needs weapons. He is a physical dominant freak. We're talking to ninetieth with percentile spark athlete. Two hundred and fifty pounds runs a to four a to a new baby twenty. He's a tesla yeah. I mean look there. Were a lot of model g. The happened <hes>. There were a lot of things that happened last year to allow them to buy all right. We must break in here. I don't mind it the model g. I don't mind it at all. I tried. I tried all right yeah. I'll out run under tutu do so <hes> you know he obviously a lot of things happened to allow him to break the n._f._l. Record that aren't necessarily going to happen there will be. I still believe in dante. Pettis lettuces <hes> having the ability to step up and you bring into other rookies but he has the ability. It's what andy saying like. You don't just break it because other guys went down. You don't break the all time n._f._l. Record he's great and what is convinced me recently. Is you know i've been because of dante pettis and all the news coming out of india night both really high on pettus pettus and then stuff starts looking bad as a motivational as it real but among all of the research. I've been doing pettus. The one thing that keeps sticking out to me from all all the beat reporters including not opinion but actually tracked targets through training camp is that george kibble is the clear number one target for this team. Whatever you believe in perez or depot or jalen hurd it is kittle who is the centerpiece of the offense. That's what i've become convinced so barring injury. I do think he's going to be great and i'm willing just like with zakar. Obviously i've got him ahead of eckerd's willing to take him there. Do you have any concern at all throwing throwing it out there. We haven't seen kit will do it with jimmy g. No that's where i was. That was part of my issue was we. We haven't seen that but when i think rob lowe is a good quarterback. I believe garoppolos a good quarterback but maybe he doesn't target the tight end as as much as heavily rely on the better he he better but that's where the targets through training camp. He's so far ahead of everyone else. In the target volume through training camp that just shows oh he is in the number one guy yeth f- evan angrily evan ingram evan ingram. Yes number four tied in consensus rankings. I drafted evan in ingram more than any player in any mock draft that i have done he's going at eighty five eleven. I think probably drafted him in the sixth round in the majority of the mocks where i have taken him evan ingram. Is this your shorts kettle. I don't mind it. There aren't great passing corruptions odell. Beckham junior is gone. You obviously have saquon out of the backfield. Sterling shepherd is banged up. Cody latimer has was maybe never has never been and and <hes> you know especially the first four weeks of the season ingram has the camp buzz you need. He was a player that last season ended on a high. I note had a sixteen game pace of sixty five or sections for eight hundred thirty nine yards on ninety three targets and again another one of those athletic hybrid reeks that can make big plays happened one big play from george kit. One big play from evan ingram changes changes your entire week is a fantasy owners so i love the value of evan ingram if you're an a._p._r. League i like him a lot more. I don't expect him to be a touchdown monster. You know we're now into the tear. We're talking about evan ingram o._j. Howard and possibly hunter henry and and when you talk about the breakout the okay someone's going to break into that top three either either become clear fourth or beat one of those top three. I think you're going to need touchdowns but in those middle to late if he drops into the six round in a full p p r league. I think he's he's just too important to the offense. You know there's a lot of quality tight ends like the difference too between evan ingram and hunter henry is evan ingram could very well lead that team in targets whereas hunter henry has no chance whatsoever so i if you're in a p._r. A big fan of <hes> if you if you said buy-sell i sell evan. Ingram leads the team in receptions. I would probably sell it. I would if you said leads the team in yards. I might buy it yeah that makes sense yeah and he's evan. Ingram has been awesome. When odell beckham has been off the field. He has shown the ability to step up. When beckham is off the field he's up to nearly eight targets game almost sixty receiving yards a game and he has the big play ability that not many tight ends have he was a first round pick. This is only his third season. I think i i think ingram's upside. Is i agree with you and he his upside is is this your george this year's george kettle although he's not free or latent drafts needs to stay healthy yep needs to get rid of the drop the problem that he's had on and off throughout his career. How much does seeing daniel jones even a small sample size nursery season. Mike affect your affect your view of if dana john's has to come in i mean does it. That's been a concern right like we've seen we've seen ally. Manning willing ailing to grow to evan ingram does the offense turn to a halt if he's switched out for daniel jones. Jason said yes it hurts them. I think in the question question it is a red flag forever ingram but at the same time he's just he's a great player according to the n._f._l. Next gen stats no player has averaged a greater separation on their routes run than evan ingram as as in he would get the most open so as long as daniel jones is looking for mm-hmm. Ingraham is gonna be open. Oh gee howard at number five. This is the guy he's my number four. I i am. I use taste good. He's number four. He you say the evidence room. Is this year's george kennel. I that's how i see o._j. Howard a true breakout aac out into like the ability to be a second round pick next year because now out of accounts type of outlaws explode out of that couch say why was i in here and who is that giant beast of a man o._j. Howard is the one human that you know might he goes up to george. Biddle and george kills looking up and going like i'm a little scared of you o._j. Howard is six six to fifty one ran a four five one and he it has a quarterback that targets titans like crazy. Cameron bright was a really good fantasy tight end. Even though cameron bright is just an average talent you lose adam humphreys into sean jackson from the offense and in the meantime coming into year three the only thing you've ever seen from evan. Ingram is complete dominance. It's on the field. You mean o._j. Howard o._j. Howard is that a little freudian slip love ingram. It was the only two tight ends with a higher percentage actually the only one if if were saying more than one game played last year travis kelsey had a higher rate of top finishes and then it was o._j. Howard that's it i mean he's he's never been on the field but not been good camera. Break is still an american football tight end for the tampa. Bay buccaneers had six touchdowns for them last year. I think they were all in like the first four games <hes> <music> any concerns with the losing the original touchdown camera not this the occasional touchtone yes but that that'll happen to everyone's her but the concern back when howard was first coming into the league of camera bright he was the bright was the established tight end. He will run as the the number one tight end. I changed has happened is now howard update on kenyan drake in a walking boot head coach bryan flora's says the injury will be via while uh-huh but said the team hopeful ready for opening. Oh you're doubled up in your bellagio. Could you have taken him late. Wow you mean doubled down. No i'm in dublin. You're just doubled your money. It could not kenyan drake's a._d._p. The down down down if you believe that he can earn that spot at some point in the season could make steel this is going to be one of those heart versus mind because i have have always been a believer and if he drops i wanna take him but this year i'm trying to not by the injury dip and learn from last you know last last year's mistakes. It's it is i'm traveling back but a point that i really wanted to emphasize about evan ingram with golden tape missing those first four games. I got the angle i think we'll be good season-long but in particular those first four games he could be he could be a top two tight end over those four games <hes> some injury notes on o._j. Howard he's been banged up and you need to pay attention to that aspect of drafting o._j. Howard season cut short last year winkle foot injuries map bets from the ultimate draft kit number one predictor of future foot and ankle injuries is the prior issues that he has the ankle is in that ankle ankle spot hunter henry at six vance mcdonald at seven in our top ten tight end rankings henry. You know not a lot of talk buzz around henry probably at no fault of his own own others enough for me. He's going in the six round. That's true for a player who didn't play last year where we in fantasy football. We tend to have very short memories stories. That's pretty solid buzz. There has been you know when travis chelsea's career began. We were only saying what if what if java's kelsey i also play a full season and be healthy what would happen. There's a little bit of that with hunter henry because when you look at the chart pass catchers what's going on. You're kinda like okay either. Mike williams is having the biggest year of his life or hunter. Henry is going to contribute to this offense in a big way. Yes and i believe in hunter for henry. I don't like i don't like the draft cost of having to be all in on him because i consider having to pay six round. Pick form arm is going all in but he of of the players were talking about. He does have a chance to finish in the top five that that top four as well because he's one. He's a great a player. We've already talked about a quarterback who throws to the tight end position. Philip rivers headed historical career throwing antonio gates who is is also gone. Antonio gates was a bit of the problem for for hunter henry early on in his career. The henry is one of those also one of those athletic monsters an and he has the ability to be a great a great fantasy tight end. Yeah hunt see that's. That's one of my issues is is actually the the athletic he came out as one of the top two guys so you you kind of you view him as a hyper athlete but at the tight end position he's actually i'm not <hes> he was. You know a slow runner is sparks score. That's not very high and that's actually kind of two fifty. Four seven at six six five to fifty four seven is athletic enough for me well. He's fifteenth percentile in spark so you know the thing is is he's not going to be the number. One target right like zakar zakar is not the most hyper athlete. He's not the kiddle the o._j. Our you know those guys so that's what you need right. He's a he's a talented route. Runners great catching the ball hunter henry is not a bad player at all but he's not going to be the one they're right. He's probably not going to be the second target. They might be the two he could but i think mike williams. I think most people would say mike williams is going to have more targets than hunter henry. He's one of these middle round. I'm probably just avoiding. He could break out. I i'm avoiding him because i'm spending this middle round. Pick for a guy that i don't think is going to be a weekly star. I want him streaming. I would feel better about hunter henry if i thought that discharge defense wasn't really good to be honest if i thought philip rivers it was doing that comeback routine on a regular basis and the the scripted seem intentional gates catching fifteen yard passes over and over and over again in the middle of the field <hes> <hes> safety blanket for philip rivers that tight imposition separately interesting but you're paying a lot for hunter henry do we are we in agreement that hunter henry read does get a nice boost. If melvin gordon is not there <hes> target perspective. I dunno okay. I don't know ninety fifth. Percentile sparks score vans mcdonald at number seven. I don't know what to do with him. I take him because he's gone eighth-round sometimes right now. He's the tight end eight off the board. Several ten average opposition lot of opportunity vacated targets really hasn't been able to stay healthy the drops the football obviously jettison from san francisco indicates per great opportunity but i'm willing. I'm willing to take him see what happens bins but i'm willing to pivot off of him quickly. If it doesn't look like he's going to be heavily involved. Yeah i agree he. He is the last guy that is somewhat tempting to me in the middle rounds he you know he's going behind guys like hunter henry in the draft but i've got him finishing ahead because the vacant targets the fact that <hes> the fact that you've got jesse james gone obviously all the antonio brown targets vacated and we've seen vance mcdonald completely dominate dominate yes. He's just a huge injury. Risk is never been able to really stay healthy. I mean he dominated back for san francisco. We loved them at times and then every time we were like oh yeah look at this crazy athlete bands macdonald who's gonna dominate injured. Oh he's back. He's going to dominate and it's like oh. He traded traded to the steelers. Can a late eighty year or late in the in the camp and then didn't get involved. Now is his opportunity. Now is like a true breakout potential. I i think it could happen. I'm willing to take a shot at that because you have a freak with the target vacated situation where he should be able to soak up a lot of work didn't go over fifty yards from week six on didn't catch more than four passes from week six on yeah vance mcdonald is this. You can't look at last year's production because this is why we like vance's. This is a completely different team. Antonio brown the number one target of that team has gone and like jason said jesse james so the other player at at the position who can take vance mcdonald off the field is gone and there's the talk at a camp. They have no idea who the wide receiver to is the drumbeat is definitely for dante moncrieff but but it could still end up being james washington. They don't know advancement. We do know that vance mcdonald when he catches the ball it because zeke drops sometimes but winning dirty deeds he he steals souls and he was an incredible guy out in space of that's that's why he is here because the opportunity is so is is so insane but the draft price has risen with that when when i really really liked advanced mcdonald i mean he was he was a double digit guy. I'm gonna write him a letter. I'm gonna tell him to steal three fewer souls this year if that can keep atheist on the field because sometimes shang so you run violently yes he does jared cook eight eric ibran nine david giokoo at ten rounding out the rankings. We've talked a lot about middle round performances taking your shot. I'll take my shot on jared. Cook sure yea jared cook going behind vance mcdonald that that makes it hard to go in go all in on vance mcdonald because it's the same situation and for the saints i guess a little bit different because you have michael thompson alvin kamara but beyond those two guys jared cook could step in and be the third highs is targeted player on the team the target volume four new orleans. Yes it keeps going down down down but drew brees is still an excellent quarterback as there. It's a move up to eleven jason on the show the other day you were making some notes in one of them had cooked with an era. I believe it is an up. I i've changed him up up to eleven but the the truth for me and i hate to say this but like this whole now that we're into these this tier of players you mentioned in joke and joke is my seven evan. My tight end seven <hes> and jerry cook is tied in eleven. There is so little difference in my stats between these players actual fantasy point difference between the next. You know five guys from an joke who down is just completely irrelevant. It's take a five sided die and throw. There's no difference to me between any of them and i'm not picking any of them. I wanna see that i'm not i wanna see that five cider see that five. I'm picked my brain right now i i will you know i'm. I'm not picking any of them. Oh it's weird looking. It's real weird eared. I'm not picking in giokoo. I'm not picking cook. <hes> you know once once i'm past once i personally past vance mcdonald. I'm going around if i had to take a shot like right now. The ranking say that i'm lower on cook but at least with cook. We've seen him number five last year right. We've seen him do it. He is an athlete. He's on a good often so there are reasons that i think you could you know see him. Come through this this year <hes> but i just i'm not i mean that's the thing the the reality is. You're listening to this podcast to know who draft. Who should i would personally me. I'm not drafting any of this year of guys. I'm waiting until the end of my draft to get one of those good titans. I'm just getting a late guy and i'm going to stream the position see all of our rankings projections for each and every tight end in the ultimate drafted ultimate drive kit dot com. Give me a sleeper tight end. That did did not make the top ten consensus that you'll take a look at take your shot at be willing to pivot stream if they don't work out i'm contractually we obligated at this point but of course it's jordan reed of rule eighty six baby will not die he he will not not be i mean he gets really hurt but he won't die. He will remove less wound will remove bones from his toes. If that's what it takes to play football aw all reports out of washington if they're talking about pass catchers it's about jordan read about jordan reed is healthy. Jordan looks great great yet. Jordan arena hasn't come into a training camp healthy. I think three or four seasons can i have fun with you for a minute of course injuries since two thousand thirteen eighteen. You have to let you have to let me do podcasts can only go on so long andy all right fair enough but go ahead quadriceps strain hip contusion concussion thumb sprain hamstring sprain hamstring strain quadriceps strain concussion shoulder contusion ankle sprain thumb contusion concussion shoulder strain rib contusion hamstring tear hair to- spring his ear. He likes football and his body doesn't like it. I didn't hear any rib problems though so i think i think he's okay rib rib contusion week to twenty missed it. I missed it. I'm out. I'll i'll reports of all time is jordan reed is awesome when he's healthy that that list is laughable. I'll throw the walrus out there darren waller. I like that we're making fun of my jordan reed pick because because he gets hurt during waller actually is verts. He is as active as he's been since suffering his shoulders spraying and that's all you need to know now. Here's the here's the thing he's he's a spark freak. He's an athletic freak any stepping into a role that saw sixty eight receptions eight hundred ninety ninety six yards and six touchdowns which jared cook last year and he's free. If you wanna take the shot on him free my late round guy that i i i really like is mark andrews <hes> wide receiver for the baltimore ravens he i i wouldn't serve that was on purpose well. It wasn't on purpose but it is also true. He is basically a wide receiver for them. He was only on the field for around on average about thirty five percent of snaps snaps last year as a rookie which is very common for rookie tight ends is why we don't draft rookie tight ends like we tell everybody. You know who's not on our list right now. Noah fan t._j. Hodkinson you know who know a fantastic. Thank you <hes> we help. They're not they're not on this list because it's so incredibly rare for a rookie tight end to get a snap that percentage that is meaningful enough to be good for fantasy. It's really like evan. Ingram has done a gronk years before that's it end of list. How dare you forget the name of jeremy shockey well. I didn't know how far back i had to go here. Mike mike ditka was so good at tight end. No actually well sure that's statute of limitations here mark andrews last year as a rookie with only thirty five percent snap percentage percentage was actually really good at once lamar jackson came he was on seven hundred yard pace which would have been second only to jeremy shockey in a rookie yardage season now he comes in the year to the they've built the system around that early indications are that that he has been the number number one target for lamar jackson. I think his target his snap percents can weigh up and mark andrews is a beast. I i really like him. I think he could be one of the electric. We all like mark andrews all right that is it for today's episode of the fantasy football podcast. 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Pats Free Agency: So good Bedard is borderline giddy

Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles

44:48 min | 4 months ago

Pats Free Agency: So good Bedard is borderline giddy

"This is the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick cabins. Before we get started Greg. I have to apologize to people watching the video version of this podcast. Yes. It looks like I'm being called up to the heavens. There's an issue with my lighting. We'll figure it out. Let's get to suck us let's get to the content. Okay, so we did an emergency podcast on Monday night because everything was happening jonnu Smith, Jalen Mills, you know, what happened on Monday by now and since then a lot has happened. Let's start with this morning the news of Patrick Chung's retirement your thoughts Greg. Yes, certainly a great Patriot. I would certainly make the case that he was a better free agent signing than he was a draft pick by Bill Belichick that he was much better in his second go around and look Belichick is even talked about it. He he misused Chung the first time around they figured out what he was really good at minimized his weaknesses, which was basically like he could not play in space birth. His life like he just he just couldn't so you needed to get him close to the line or on a tight end really close and he was good to go and he was really tough help the team win 3 Super Bowls did, you know did whatever Belichick wanted as far as this contract a contract and stuff like that? So Patriot through and through his his retirement explains a little bit more about Jack Mills being here. I think they're very similar, you know, including that they're coming from the Eagles before coming back to the Patriots. But you know sort of a feisty under six is Nick is Ian Nichols corner is the safety. What can you do if you cover tight ends, he's tough. He likes to Yap a lot Chung like the Apple odd, but they're very very similar. I can see Belichick watching Jalen Mills on film as being like, hey reminds me of Patrick Chung and you know trying retires which isn't exactly good for the salary cap for the page. It gives them a little bit of a a hit this year, but look no question. Great Patriot. Not a huge loss considering where he was in his career took last year off the past couple of years has been harder and harder to for him to reach the Finish Line with the injuries. He's always been an undersized guy at a club position buddies displayed incredible toughness good time for him to go in terms of where the Patriots are. I don't think they're going to miss him very much, but look a lot of institutional knowledge there that's always tough to see but I have a feeling he won't be he'll be around a lot. You know, I'll put it that way. Yeah what I look at this the cap stuff the finance is it depends on if they cut him immediately or he retires immediately they file it or if they wait until June 1st, if they do it immediately, then it hurts the cap this year if they wait until after I believe it pushes it into next year and you might say to yourself you might as well just take the hit right now when you have the space and you know to free up a little bit more the books next season, so we'll see how long Works out on the field. Listen, you've got Mills. You've got Duggar you've got Phillips. I'm fine with that and it makes a lot more sense. Like you said why they signed Mills we talked about this on Monday night, the signs. Listen, I thought that they overpaid for a Galore. I still feel that way. But when you look at the signings from the top on down the only one that didn't make a whole bunch of sense to me was Mills. Well now it does it makes more sense. I don't have to be in love with the signing. I still have questions about him. But the move itself makes sense. You also safety. You lost a guy that might be able to cover tight ends versatile chess piece a little bit and again that kind of personality that you mentioned. So the Mills signing makes a hell of a lot more sense. Now, that chunk is out the door than it did on Monday another big thing that happened since our last podcast was Greg. Maybe we were just stupid. Maybe we were naive we thought jonnu Smith was going to be the number one tight end and then the Patriots would move on and free home. See, that's not how it worked out as we know by now Hunter Henry signs and it's funny somebody tweeted at me this week at Nick's sea radio. If you want to follow me again at Nick's sea radio someone tweeted at me that they were listening to our podcast on Tuesday morning and at the precise moment we were talking about jonnu Smith vs Hunter Henry and you had said, you know, the more I think about it. It's pretty tough to pick one guy, you know, either way you're going to work out. It's going to be a good signing pretty much. I'm paraphrasing at that moment. The person that was listening on Twitter that Hunter Henry had signed with the Patriots and he said I just laughed because it's precisely what Greg had said. It doesn't really matter if it was Smith or Henry, you know, a lot of similarities now the page get both Yeah, that's that's exciting and unexpected. And also, you know Nick one thought I had about this and and I somewhat wrote about this the other day. In fact my column sort of taking a step back from at least the first day and I'll have a column today sort of a my thoughts and it will expound on what we're talking about here, which is basically like, you know, it's it's hard not to like a lot what they did and but in terms of the the tight ends I think that you know, this is an instance where the culturally dropped the ball on a lot of things this offseason like when you looked at it, so when you looked at it coming into this offseason there were four teens that basically had a ton of cap space. It was the Patriots. It was the Jaguars and the Jets. Yep and the Colts so you looked at it and and this is what I wrote the other day that Belichick is some point in time realize like dead. It was almost like a poker game. I I equated it to you know, buying houses and things like that, but it was almost like a poker game where Belichick is like, all right, all these guys got big Stacks, but all of a sudden Belichick's looking around he's like, wow, I'm really the only player here like you have the Jaguars and Urban Meyer. Okay fine. You want to go there whatever go ahead. Go to Jacksonville, you know or you want to go to the gym, like what do they really doing? Like, do you want to go there? Who's their quarterback? Whatever? Okay, okay, and then you have the Colts. You know, he's looking at Chris Ballard who's a guy who's just you know, he basically like if you're watching the video like I'm like, I'm hoarding the chips. Like he just got his arms around his chest like he's like looking around at everybody. Like I'm not trying to take my chips. Are you really take my chips? Nobody came into my chest and I equated it to you know in the house buying I was like, you know, Belichick's got all this money. He's got cash. He's ready to buy a house has Chris Bowers the type of buyer who's like he's dead. Like all fifteen houses and he goes back and about three times and then he gives you a lowball offer and this and that like Belichick's just got cash. He's like, all right. I know exactly what the value is of this mouse. Here's my offer take it or leave it. You don't like it. I'm going in the next guy. That's the way this free agency went and so a team like the Colts like I mean Frank right just came out yesterday and said we're looking to add a playmaking tight end. What what the hell he waiting for like you had Johnny Smith Hunter Henry in a crapload of cat space like why why don't the Colts have one of them and it's because of balor's in action. He thinks she's looked and I think Chris Ballard is great idea what he does have a bit of an ego when it comes to His abilities as a GM is abilities drafting like he thinks a lot of what he does. And so, you know, at least Bella's Belichick certainly has an ego but at least he came in here is like, hey, look, I can't drive worth a crap. Like my free agency has sucked. You know, we have no Talent. We have no pro bowler. So I'm going to import about four or five like instantly to make up for it, you know, so at least he's a real Attack. Yep. And so I just, you know, the tight ends is great. The Colts completely dropped the ball the Patriots took advantage of that and now you have the two-tight-end thing and you know walk in one offshoot. I want to get too. I've been talking for a while. So I'm going to take a break for a second but we can we can come back to this. Okay. Now you're fired up. It's all good. I am, you know, give me multiple tight ends and things like that I get fired up, but we need to talk about Cam and you know sort of his ability to really make this offense work with two tight ends. And of course everybody's like, oh too tight ends we can do this we can do that you can do, you know are they dead? Backers, are they say ye? Yes, but do you have the type of quarterback that can make checks calls reads and things like that to take advantage of all that that is a big unknown with Cam Newton and something like that. If they don't answer affirmatively, they ain't going to work. Yeah, you know what when you look at site and we'll cuz I want to get to the quarterback position for sure and how all these moves affect that position currently moving forward. But just one more thing on the tight ends, you know, I see a lot of people saying oh, well, this is an indictment on the two tight ends that were drafted last year. I wouldn't go that far just yet because number one again covid-19. It's a tough position to learn they should have been better than they were they should have at least, you know, given you something right? But what I would say is you bring in Smith you bring in Bank Asia Asia still your third guy and I think Dalton Keen as we said when he was drafted Greg, yes, he could play tight end, but he's also more of an HVAC fullback so exactly I think home. Seen Dalton Keen go back to what he was supposed to be which is that age back fullback. You'll have Assi Assi now is your third guy and you've got Smith and Henry and you know, I love that. I'm not complain about that another big move that's happened since our last podcast as Greg takes another shot of espresso. Kyle Van Noy was brought back last night. I'm a little afraid to bring up his name Greg. I don't think you're a huge fan of mr. Personality and putting himself over he of course released the video immediately last night putting himself over off what I surely you. Just so first I will give you the opportunity to get anything off of your back that you would like about Vannoy before we talk about the football aspect wage. Yeah. I saw your tweet I didn't I didn't I look it just seemed to put spicy every time we bring them up. It's like, oh yeah, here we go. You know, I love Kyle Van why the plane? Okay, I do I do and I think he's he's a great fit back here and he makes them so much better and but look I you know, I just don't like the way he does things in terms of you know, how he let me just say this can we not have any any not nickname anybody, you know any money or anything like that can can we come to that agreement cam did that did you have a problem with Cam did that? Yeah, how'd that work? You know like, you know how that work out all his nickname in hashtags and things like that. Last year was nicknamed. Let's just worry about the feel like I don't want to hear about boogie man who crap out in the last month of the season and cost them home field advantage in the playoffs that let's just what I think Kyle Van white is a is a tremendous player. He just he just talks too much for me, but that's just me you doing I would say this you respect wage. Talent you understand you understand and appreciate the versatility that he's going to bring to this 2% can play on the edge you can slide into the inside you can now have him move on the inside width height our menus and a sub, you know package. If you want to even mess around with Jenny, there's a lot of different stuff that they can do with. You know, now you've got Jude on in Vannoy your Edge compared to Jersey last year defensively God Edge is a billion times better. So there's no doubt. It's just he's somebody that annoys you and I think there's some similarities just judging by doing this podcast with you since you know before last season, it seems to me that there are some similarities to chase winovich where like, you know, the camera and the personality and he makes sure that it's turned on and he's always got home. I don't have as big of an issue with it. But I do think you tend to get annoyed by some of those guys. So I think your mom just I'm just I'm look I'm cranky old school grumpy guy who just you know, I want guys to just let their play do the talking and they're plenty good. Well Chase winovich isn't but you know, like let's just see what happens with Chase winovich who you know could be I would not be surprised if she traded at some point. I just don't look he's he's stuck in a sub role now, right? Absolutely right in terms of June on on the left side. Kyle Van Noy on the right side, you know, you got God shall in a little you know, for now, it's Anderson and Lawrence guy spot. You got Hightower in the middle. I mean Nick, holy hell are they good against the run like it is night and day where they are and look I don't winovich might be he's good third-down pass rusher evidence of anything that they've done here is is it is proof that they do not trust at least winovich to be a starter. They don't trust them to be in the right place. We talked about it as nauseam. You know, he you know, he's he's not sure who I am and and you know what I'm talking about. Well, you know the Patriots coaches obviously don't trust them because they brought in not one but two veteran Edge players and so look he could still be a sub pass-rusher an a good one. He's there's no question his Motors good his pass-rush is good. I just think it's it's more likely than not that when if it's just probably traded at some point cuz he is and he's in a log Jam for at least another year. And so what's what's the point? I don't understand what the point is trade him. Try to send them back to kiss Areo try to get something for him and move on. Here's what I'll say, you know, this month free agency has been cathartic I think for a lot of people it's been cathartic and for the media, it's been cathartic for the fan base because for the last few years many of us, even though some people try to paint certain people in the media as Homer's which whatever I mean, I think most of that is a joke, but you know, I looked at this and I said in the last few years, obviously Belichick The GM had failed Belichick the coach we watched this team and Greg you're mentioning it right now for the last few years. We've watched and go she's they've got nobody at tight end. What the heck are they doing? They've got nobody at tight end for the edge or exactly and you'd watch this team you'd say they're going to give up 250 rushing yards tonight. I know it they know off the American people know it and they're not doing anything about it. And so that's why I think this week has been such a moment not only for Patriots fans, but also the Patriots media because I do think I do think that it justifies some of the bitching that the media has done and it proves that some of the issues that we've had with, you know, the lack of Talent on a roster and the problems they had against certain opposition. It proves that we were onto something and it also proves it for sure. It also proves this Greg Belichick new and you know a log Times we'd watch this team and go. Yeah, he's the greatest coach of all time. How does he know that? This team can't defend the Run. Yeah, he coach of all time. How can't he see this offense as brutal month you get this feeling you know, Belichick is almost like us in this offseason. He he walked in as you said as the only player in the poker game and he said I've never John all these guys. I've got leverage every single team. I'm going to be aggressive and as we sat there and watch this football team play and we stood publicly Belichick was still doing internally. He was still not going this roster isn't good enough. I've had a lot. Yeah. Yeah. We stink and I I've got to do a lot of things to fix it. And so he walked in and he did what every fan and what pretty much every media member wanted him to do admit your mistakes embraced the mistakes, correct the mistakes and do what you have to do to make this roster better job. That's what he did moving on Ted Karras. I wanted to talk about this one because you're a big line guy. Obviously, we know by now we had it I think on Monday night that Joe Toney was going to the Chiefs game. Now, we know that David Andrews is moving on Ted Karras signs with the Pats your thoughts on what it looks like replacing Andrews with Charis Andrews thinks he's moving on Thursday. He does. We'll see. Oh, yeah what I know about this is that Let's let's say David Andrews look and he's a very good player and he's won multiple Super Bowls and you know, I get it and and more power to the players to get every last dollar that they can but let's just say that David Andrews has a very high value he put a very high value on his services this offseason page, I would say and let's just say it's somewhere near the top of the Center Market and I think that's delusional like I think he's a good player but he's he Corey Linsley wage is the any of these other guys know, he's a notch below them. Yeah. That's the name. I thought of as soon as you start talking. He saw the linsly contract and he was licking his chops going. Oh, yeah, baby. I think Leslie got 12 and 1/2 million. I'm sorry, you know David Andrews is not that if he can get it great, but in this with this cap in this market, There's no way he's worth David Anderson's work that plus the whole blood clot thing doesn't help his case. I think David Andrews is around a 7 to 9 million dollar Center in my opinion. I agree and he thinks it's out there. He thinks up a big paydays out there. I think the Patriots were willing probably to do the ballpark that I was talking about. But Andrews was not and so he sort of burned the boats. He's not entirely but at least threatened at least in their mind. Oh, well. No, I'm really leaving. I'm I'm announcing I'm talking to other teams in the Patriots like okay have fun. See what's out there like he could come back with his hat in his hand. He could yeah, but if they have to if it's Karis, I assume they're going to get a booster in the draft. They should have gotten one last year. We talked about that. It was on their list they wait until the 7th round and they drafted some guy Dustin Woodard who retired before he ever really did anything. Here that's a disappointment. They knew that they had to get better at the backup center position and they just it's another thing that Belichick dropped the ball on last year. Now, they're pressed into it off and look they've had guys whether it's you know, Tunis stork, you know, a bunch of different guys have started as rookies on the offensive line here even later round picks. They're going to have to do that again because the alternative would Ted Karras and I love steady 1080i coin that nickname for him, but he's limited and he the running games going to be limited. He's not that great of an athlete. He's good pass-rushing not a great run-blocker can't get to the second level. It limits what the Patriots can do. He's a good feeling but the Patriots need to find better perhaps it's Andrews coming back for a one year deal to maybe hit free agency again next year. I'm sure the Patriots would be open to that. I think that would be the ideal situation for both sides at this point. We're just going to have to see whether that happens or not. All right. I only want to spend a minute. This next one because we gotta get to bigger picture stuff Adam off to Miami thoughts. He's he's almost like he's very similar to chase winovich in that. He was only a sub rusher and there is a limit on the value of that in the scheme and he hit the he hit the limit basically by the years that he's been here good for him going and getting a something else somewhere. I just you just there's just a I mean look good player good pass-rusher, but you know, how many snaps is he playing? What's the value of that and the Patriots decided to move on? I think that's wise you should be able to hide find those kind of guys in the draft or at least younger guys cheaper guys and maybe now Byron Cowart gets more of a chance to do that and maybe he's better at that than being in, you know in every down first two down defensive tackle, which he wasn't great at. All right. So let's look at the bigger picture now you and I we both laughing The team has done. You said you're going to write something more in-depth at Boston Sports channel, So check that out. If you're listening to this podcast for really in-depth thoughts on each of these bigger moves from Greg, but let's get to them back position Now Greg first question about the quarterback position if Cam Newton is going to be the guy and I don't want you to tell me if they're going to have other options just yet. We'll get to that. Yep, but as currently constituted with Cam as the quarterback, how much better is this offense? I think it is incrementally better. You know, I think it's look he has a ton more Talent will get the we'll get the judgment on you know is a cam hours of the the people around him or what-have-you because and and I actually this is part of the thing that was going to write for bsj is you know, one of the thoughts I had is I don't know who's under more pressure right now Bello Checker Cam Newton because this is the most Talent Cam Newton has ever been surrounded by ever. Yeah, even even though you know when he was MVP in 2015 that group can't hold a candle to this. I mean basically Hunter Henry is Greg Olsen, then you have another tight end who's just as good as those those two guys off and these receivers are much better. I think with Steve Smith on that Super Bowl team. I think it was I think he was and then he got released. I think after that. Yeah, so see Smith was great. So they, you know, look, They have an advantage there. That was a good offensive line. I think this offensive line is better. I think the running backs at the end of the day the Patriots, you know might add somebody their home. They could be pretty close to the Panthers had some good running backs cameras in his prime back then as far as a runner and passer but I think this I think this group as a whole is better off the defense is better. So if Cam doesn't produce this year, he's done. He's exposed. He's completely he's completely done. And so I think there's a ton of pressure on him. Do I think they're going to be better? Yeah, I I think they're going to be better how much better. I'm not sure but I just think just the ability having the tight ends and you know, these different wide receivers that can get open really quick and they can do different things and the matchup issues that they're going to have people are going to be open all over the place Nick. They're going to be able to run the ball people are going to be open is Cam going to deliver and he is he going to deliver on time. I have a lot of questions about that. Okay, since you have questions about that since cams contract is very very very low risk. I mean, even when you look at some of these other deals that have been signed Fitzpatrick's in ten million on the base Dalton's getting ten million on the base even somebody like Tyrod Taylor I think is making a little bit more money on the base than cam is Jameis Winston's making more money down in New Orleans off. So, you know, some people were saying that my guy Lou merloni saying that cam wasn't his plan a I'm not going to go that far. I don't think cam was plan a if Cam was playing a game. I mean for the offseason cam was planted he was he he was not even close to True exactly. He was planted for the quarterback know they called the 49ers. They called the Raiders. They made an offer for Matthew Stafford home. He's not playing a if you're doing those things anyway, I digest but I grassed not digest I'd I'd doubt he's going to say yeah, I can just on your own. You know what I'd I'd just at all in and then what I do, I think of what I gotta say and then I digress but I digress when you look at what they're going to do now moving forward this certainly You could argue I tweeted this out the other day you could argue anything you want with what they're going to do at quarterback now because what they've done over the past few days builds a case for each and every option you could say Greg. Hey Thursday built this thing around Cam and as you just mentioned the pressures on cam if he doesn't get it done, he's exposed. They think he can do it with a better Supporting Cast so cams going to be the guy you could own no. We'll build the case and say well they went out and spent a ton of money. They brought in a bunch of veterans that opens the door to be very aggressive in the draft to maybe move up and draft the black guy and if the next guy is not ready this year they have Cam as the mentor that young guy a lot of people are thrown around Trail ants because they have a similar kind of skill-set then Lance develops over the next year off and then in 20 22, you still have this Supporting Cast with one year under their belt and Trail and you could also say well maybe they're trying to upgrade and woo somebody off Wilson or Watson and you know, Mike Silver's talked about that Jeff how has written about that Joseph person in the athletic has also mentioned the New England Patriots possibly trying to sneak in to the DeShaun Watson talks with all of that laid out for you. Which option do you think is the most likely do you think we could now see them be aggressive and off? Bob to try to find that next guy Okay, a couple of things you know what has transpired doesn't change anything. Okay, Jimmy Garoppolo has always been planning for this team. They've had they have tried to get him. They have tried to engage the 49ers. The 49ers will not engage at least at least to this point without having something better or their own sort of plan and the Patriots are just like all right, fine, you know the words that I was told was the Forty Niners are screwing around. They're not really engaging and the Patriots said, okay fine, you know, we're moving the Patriots are not going to wait around, you know, God for yes. They love Jimmy would they like to have Jimmy here? Yes, but they're not going to sit around and wait and pine for Jimmy because what happened then you're left with nothing. You could be left with nothing at the end of the day. So they made plans and I would say the most likely plan at this point is Cam Newton with a draft pick now. It doesn't mean to me that does not mean trade up in the draft. It doesn't mean draft one and fifteen it could mean it may basically I'm trying to say it could mean anything in terms of craft. Yeah, and I think it also applies to say like Garoppolo like the Patriots are still they still have the ability and it's getting harder and harder by the day off but they still have some moves that they could do in terms of extending McCourty Hightower. They could create some space plus if they traded for Garoppolo they could do some things where like they give them a salary. Yeah in a bonus and prorate it and really his cat space is really only like four million. Yeah. They care one. It could be structure him and make it very easy to deal with the cap. So and even somebody Someone said this to me the other day that it's not a look this is there works on mine. It's not out of the realm of possibility that the 49ers just release Garoppolo took a point with the 25 million. He's on their books and maybe they see our we're going to do this. We're going to do that in the draft. That is possible. So look there is a light on for Jimmy G trust me off and it'll probably always stay on Jimmy. I just don't look like like looking out the window and like the glass towards Jimmy G and Jimmy G's in a car in the back seat. And Shanahan is John Lynch or in the front seat. It's being driven by Kyle Shanahan. Don't get that in Garoppolo looking out garoppolo's looking out the window from the back seat in Belichick's looking out the window and like the living wage and they're just like reaching towards each other like we can make this happen and Shanahan's like not going to happen on my watch. Not yet why Shanahan sounds like he came from Alabama, but in my mind, that's what it off. Yeah, it could you could but I would say the most likely scenario right now is Cam Newton and a quarterback and I can't tell you where that quarterbacks going to come in the draft. It could come in the second round. You know, I know the Patriots think there is a lot of depth in this quarterback class. They are not done with their homework on this on this draft class probably won't be done. I don't think the coaches really doing heavy lifting, you know, especially Belichick until April once free agency and everything is done then he'll really dive into that stuff and they'll come away with who they want wage. And I think it's the most likely scenario is Cam and a draft quarterback. Are they hoping that draft quarterback possibly ascends quickly probably doesn't necessarily need to happen this year. No, but I think that's m a r I also think it maybe we'll dive into this a little bit more next week, but the free agency approach gives Belichick what he loves to have during the draft flexibility. Yeah, I think you know now you can take anybody because you're not beholding to one specific position, even though I'd like to see them be aggressive and move up and get a quarterback. If they loved one of the top four guys. It does leave them some flexibility now if they want to make that move if they want to stay and stick and pick they can do that if they want to move down the board. I mean, they've got a lot of different things they can do now because they've answered a lot of the questions we had going into this offseason by day to officially a free agency last one for you today. Hang on one. I forgot the Watson. Yep. I think it's a pipe bomb. Like I don't you know, I don't want to say never because who knows you never know what's going to happen and the Patriots always leave themselves the flexibility. I just don't think first of all, I don't think Watson wants to come home. He's never been on this list, you know second of all the Patriots don't have enough to offer any even yeah, you could say. Well he has a no-trade clause. Yes, but you know the Texans aren't just going to accept them like crap. Yeah in exchange. They're not just they would rather in that scenario. They'll be like screw you to DeSean. We have worked out a deal with the with the dolphins or jets or somebody gives us a quarterback. We get the number two or three overall pick. Okay, you know, he'd be like, I don't like them. I want to go to New England. They'll be like go screw go sit go sit would not now we're going to make you sit and that's easily kabell, you know, people will understand and be like, oh I backed the Texans here. Let alone all the allegations that are going on, which I don't want to touch with a ten-foot pole, but I just think God People need to give up on the Sean Watson. I mean look do I think there's a maybe a 1% 2% chance, I guess but largely it's a complete pipe dream in fallacy. And if you're on Twitter, you know back during about DeShaun Watson all the time. There are much better ways to spend your time. Well, I guess you've said your piece on that. I think it's a little bit more possible than you do. I am not saying that it's likely I don't think it's likely but there are some things that Patriots could do but the difficulty is because in the scenario, you wouldn't be trading what you have right. Now. You would have to trade some stuff to move up and then move that pic to Houston and I mean we would have to be a lot of different things that would go down for that to happen. Right? I would also say as far as there's no trade clause I do think it's a valid point to bring up. I I do think if you want it to try to direct himself to somewhere that gives him a little bit more leverage to do to an extent. Yep. An extent and that also leads to the next point which you said, you know, it really depends on whether or not Watson is willing to sit and you know, there are people out there that say, oh here's principled guy. He's going to sit he doesn't care how much money it costs him and look maybe that's true. Or maybe that's I would be one of those people or you know, maybe it's true or maybe that's Watson's Camp off that is leaking that to try to put the fear of God into Houston so they can just say okay in relent and move him. I don't know which one I think the most likely thing that's happening here is with that. Let's not forget who was initially brought up the Jets and the Dolphins and if you're if you're a Houston and you're going to move Watson the number one priority for you as an organization is to answer the question who the hell is going to replace that guy and I think it's a Rod Taylor, right? I don't think Taylor is the answer. Okay. He might be a bridge guy may be dead. But if you're dealing somebody like oh God, yeah, usually if you're dealing with a top five or six quarterback 25 years old with a contract. He just signed off he set for the next five six years you are looking for his immediate replacement in unless the team that you trade him to gives you that replacement or gives you an Avenue to acquire a placement. It's it's not even worth talking about if you're Houston. So again, it would have to take the Patriots to move up and get a pic get some other people sent. You know, there'd be a lot of moves or it would be DeShaun Watson walking in saying I want New England or I'm going to sit and he'd be half. He'd have to be willing to actually sit and put Houston's feet to the fire. So those are the only ways that happens and that's why I think it's very unlikely one last thing. I wanted to ask you. They've added a bunch we've talked about it. I mean talked about their needs Greg. They need a tight ends. They certainly got tight ends. They needed help on the edge Vannoy Judith check check. They needed some help on the interior of the defensive line. I would say somewhat check. Maybe they need to add somebody else. Maybe that'll be part of this answer but they they've answered a lot of questions so far. What would you like to see them do over the next? I don't know a couple of days a week. What would you like to see them do that is still on your to-do list. Okay, I'm off. I mean in terms of pieces to the puzzle, you know, like I talked about Center. You know, you're looking at the draft quarterback, you're looking at the draft. I think they need some more beef inside if Lawrence guy is not back if he's if he's back then fine. You know Bo Allen just got released and I'm awfully yeah. I always I'm glad I snapped that photo of Bo Allen on the sidelines during the walk-through. It's like it's like the Loch Ness Monsters. Yeah, you're Bominable snowman. They were on foot in throughout the most part in today. Thank God. Yes. Yes they did. So they need some beef inside. I would like to see, you know, another big boy in there. I think they cuz I can like we we've seen before you can never have enough depth inside on both lines. I think that the big remaining piece of the puzzle to me. Nick is home. I'm just not sure how the linebackers fit like is Uche now a stand-up linebacker if he is. Okay. I'm good with that. I think he's shown some potential there. I would like a speedy dead. I would like a speedy line backer perhaps that's Kyle Duggar that could be Duggar playing linebacker. He's big and strong enough. I think they're going to lose James White to somebody. Yep mer Tampa. So I would like another running back option. I think you've been tweeting about it, you know the Lindsay stuff. Yeah, he's a guy I've been fascinated with forever and he was always the answer to people would be like when we dragged on Sony Michelle people. Well, what do you want? I'm like, well, I want Phillip Lindsay who was you know, undrafted free agent just about offensive Rookie of the Year his rookie year. So I want to I want to running back. I want to I want more of a so they have to sort of power backs. I want a quick back. Yeah in the backfield a quick hitter to do with these guys. So that's kind of what I'm looking at. Yeah. I mean, we we have pretty much the same list. There's one more thing though. I'd like to see cuz I'd like to see the James White replacement. I've been saying Phillip Lindsay just because I mentioned job Twitter that Mike Lombardi brought that up earlier this week and whenever Lombardi throws a name out there, I think we should all at least give it some Credence because of his relationship with Belichick's so he brought that up before Denver made it official Don from him. So, you know, maybe one sees the answer maybe somebody else is the answer we know for a fact it's been reported out that the Patriots are looking at running back. I don't want format cuz for net is too much of Damien Harrisburg, she'll give me somebody else who's a little bit of a scatter back. You can move them around it could even get away with putting Lindsay in the slot, you know people were in love with the idea of Le'Veon Bell. I'm not saying he's Le'Veon Bell, but that kind of Shifty back somebody who gives you like. You said the speed element, I would like to see that happen because as great as James White was he wasn't the fastest guy in the world. So I like to see that happen defensive tackle. I think they're in a really good spot because there's going to be a number of guys Danny Shelton Lawrence guy. There are guys out there that are still available. And also when you look at the draft, there's a few dudes that you might be able to move down in the first round if you want to do that and draft a young guy dead. And put him in the middle. So I think they'll be fine there. But I do think they need another fat dude or big dude in the middle of that d-line Center for sure. The one thing you did mention. I still want to see me receiver. Like I think you know agholor to me is a nice too. Kendrick Bourne, Jacoby Myers is your kind of 3/4? I can't depend on Julian Edelman as much as I love him. You just can't. Yep. And on Jules I would have absolutely I had a heart attack if Curtis Samuel signed with this football team. He went to for the people saying oh, well, they should have picked Samuel over agholor. It's not how it works. You know, like we said, let's not forget that Samuel played for Ron Rivera. He played with Terry McLaurin in college. I think they were roommates in college relationships matter Samuel might have just said no, I want to go to a place with a coach that I know and play with one of my best friends, but it's so we don't know if Samuel would have went to New England even if they offered him the back so I still think a number one wide receiver whether their life and I'm kind of a little you know, I'm a little concerned about the draft because their track record, I do think n'keal. Harry probably gets traded just too much smoke around that guy right now. Also, make note that AJ Green apparently according to some reports. It was the Cardinals or the Patriots for AJ Green. So we know that the Patriots are still in the market for a receiver. I would have hated the way I think he's done but they're in the market. So give me a wide receiver. Give me one more Bill. I know you've given us a lot and I'm being greedy. But give me one more receiver. I thought I could feel like he's a one guy and I don't know if that guy is available in free agency right now, unless you believe Kenny golladay, or maybe you mention this Greg a little while ago Allen Robinson home. I don't know if you're you know, really wanting to make a deal for Allen Robinson with the money that you're paying agholor, but I'll tell you could you imagine Greg. I mean, I'm A lactating just thinking about my God. You would Jesus you've got job to think about per second. All right, but let's not let's not talk about quarterback. We're to talk about quarterback. I want to I want to stick in my good space Positive Vibes right now Positive Vibes only. Yep Hunter Henry dead. Jonnu, Smith Damien Harris, Sony Michelle Phillip, Lindsay Allen Robinson agholor. Edelman Kendrick Bourne, maybe Myers. Holy crap. Did you really have a choice? He was yelling their Homer know I gotta I gotta add a third back. You know, they love a third bag. They keep paying Rex Burkhead. They can't get enough of a third back. They he has a long they're probably still going to offer a three-year contract to find them in there. He's going to go behind him and they're going to wheel. They're going to wheelchair his routes form. Yeah. So I mean, it's just I'm just saying if you if you Allen Robinson Hunter Henry and jonnu Smith. I mean, I feel like I could play quarterback in that team wins 10 or 11 games. Honestly, like if I can't succeed with that, I mean my goodness then he has no chance to ever throw a football in the NFL. So I would say overall it's been a damn. Good job. Productive first few days when Greg Bedard doesn't have a lot to pitch about, you know, you know, it's going pretty well. So, you know Belichick, you know knocked it out of the park. And by the way right before we real quick before we leave actually, there's two things. I want to say number one that you know the the downside to this and we talked about it before the Eagles dream team and stuff like that the counter that and I agree with it with this group. Not only is it Bella Texas coaching them? Cuz Andy Reid coached that group, he's pretty good. It's all these guys are young. This is not nominee Austin Hua, you know Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie or Ronnie Brown, you know, you know on the downside of their career, these guys are all ascending. So I agree with all that. The other thing I wanted to say is I don't ask for much other than a subscription to be SJ and Thursday and rating reviews, you know positive rating reviews here on the podcast, but I'm just wondering if I can get a little positive juju going from my alma mater Rutgers our first NCAA tournament appearance and wage. A billion years. Let's go Friday night like 9:20. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. I'll be watching them probably when I open about 12 Beers deep and I'll be watching them for you back on a good bet bet them to go to the Sweet Sixteen. I like their draw Clemson and then Houston we're going to the Sweet Sixteen. This is what happens when a team that hasn't been in a long time. They finally get in our final four, you know going crazy. Here we go Magic World Championship rocker write it down. Don't even write it down with pencil write it with a sharpie. Yeah. I mean, I agree with I agree with what you said as far as this group in listen, you were all over it. You were all over this since since day one and I'm not saying about spending money. A lot of people were taught about money. But you were in on some of the names you were in on the philosophy as far as what they were going to do i e young guys, you know versatility not belt looking at used and versatility so long And he got a lot of that so far and he still has by my account around twenty million left in cap space. I don't think they're done just yet. He is Greg Bedard I of course, I'm Nicki. Hopefully you enjoyed if you're still listening. I guess you did enjoy the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick cattles till next week or unless the Patriots trade for the shop. DeShaun Watson get choked up. Well, we'll talk to you next week. Everybody be good. Be safe be healthy enjoy the tournament and embrace this free agent.

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TE Tiers 2019

NFL Talking Heads

24:35 min | 2 years ago

TE Tiers 2019

"Welcome to the N._F._l.. Talking Heads Fantasy football podcast show here a your hosts Jeff Carrier Seth Law. Hello everyone and welcome to the N._F._l.. Talking talking heads of fantasy football podcast show. I'm your host Jeff carrier. He is seth law. We are back for another great episode to talk tight end tears getting closer rounding out all our positional tears for everyone out there and seth it is time the training camp season has finally started. We're going to actually start seeing seeing some players on the field and you know soon enough. They'll be most likely some injuries impacting rankings and of course eighty ps but it's exciting to see people on the field in football almost here. Oh Yeah it's been it's been way too long and we are. We're back in it. It's one hundred degrees out today in New Hampshire and no better place to be during one hundred under degree day than inside in the air conditioned in the air conditioning talking fantasy football so let's let's get to it all right so before we get into tight end tears big breaking news on Tyreek Hill there will be no suspension from the N._F._l.. tyreek hill you know let's just skip the part on the inconsistency of the N._F._l.. And whether or not he should have been suspended or not. That's a different discussion. Let's get to whereabout uh fantasy football where does terry kill now slide into your rankings A._D._p.. Wise not ranking. Should I say where does he slide in eighty P wise on the draft board where we're my drafting him Yup also when we talk yesterday when the news broke and you ask me my first reaction was like third round. That's the first thing I said we talked about it and as before I even looked at any updated eighty ps and it looks like you know his A._D._p.. Is Bright in the third round three point four and I think that's pretty on target right now. I'm drafting him today. If the draft is today I would take him in the third round right around three point zero four. That's pretty spot on now if it's pretty quiet on the tyreek hill front from now until the being the season and we're here in late August and he's always you know he's on his best behavior hasn't got into trouble. There's no nothing else is breaking is no other evidence that emerges than I could see taking him in the the second round. Maybe the end of the second round middle the second round the bottom line is tyreek hill. If this off the field stuff never never immersion or was never an issue. He's a early second rounder like you can make a case for maybe taking him in the first round right I mean he he's that elite has that much upside. He's probably the number one fantasy wide receiver if we're just talking football and when he brings you know on the field so the drafts right now. I'm taking him in the third round but I'm giving you know I'm open to moving that up to to the second round <hes> if nothing else crazy happens now in August. I'm going to be a a bit more aggressive as we kind of our initial reactions kind of led me to to to believe now if you if you're type person will you go on and you're looking at the A._D._p.. And you see three point zero four all you need to do is look at the chart of at four point zero three. There's four point four and now he's at three point four. He went up a full round within a day well. The law of averages should tell us that he's not getting to three or four because people are drafting met three. Oh four people were drafting him above that spot and that's where his average opposition happens to be landing or he skyrocketed in a day so my guess is he's getting drafted right now in the middle of the second so if you've seen three point four <hes> and you're you're going off that you're never going to get him realistically. If you're looking at the second round of the fantasy football draft I mean first thing that comes to mind is he easily sides in front of Damian Williams in my eyes I mean why why am I taking Damian Williams over Tyreek Hill. You're not doing that so so he easily slides in front of that spot as worst case scenario and then in terms of just a range of outcomes or Dra- oppositions. I say he could go as high as above depending on how you like some of these players like I would take Juju over him but I would take tyreek over Odell Beckham so now we're talking on the fringe of the turn so my guess is he's. He's all the way that high to potentially downward Liam so one point twelve to two point zero. Seven is the range. I have a minute and probably closer to the top of that range. I mean mean if we didn't get in trouble for what we just all experience right if he didn't get in trouble then then he's not gonna get suspended during the season even if he did something else he would need some kind of the Cam. I'd be more worried about the Kansas City the chiefs potentially suspending him if something else comes up and they face a big you know a p._r.. Hit and there's backlash there's pressure put on the chiefs. Maybe the chief suspend him. You know I don't know or maybe this this gets. Maybe something else happens in this gets to be to the the point where there's so much heat on tyreek Hill that there's a huge distraction and he wasn't perform or he who knows. I mean like if you're if you're going to take him in the early second round or some of these players wanted to take over Julio. I mean like either there. You're hedging against all that other stuff. You're not now. I'm hedging against all that other stuff by taking him in the third round if you're not doing that if you're taking him over Odell Beckham then what you're saying is I'm not worried about any of that other stuff at all so at that point wanted to take him in the first round. Down I think he's a first round player like you could take you could take him over Julio. You can take him definitely over Le Vian Bell you could potentially take him over Michael Thomas. I mean if he if we're just talking about tyreek hill the fantasy football wide receiver. He's probably W top eight or nine pick yeah I mean I suppose I mean you definitely have a point. I'm most I am more on the side of. I'm not really paying attention to anything else happening because also the Kansas City chiefs allowed him back into the facilities weeks before this announcement so it seems like everything's kind of getting brush underneath the rug now that we have a solid month until we actually have our draft. I think that we'll get everything we need to know in terms of quote unquote P._R.. It would take something drastic like a ray rice kareem hunt video to come out and I think we've already kind of heard you know in audio the worst that was released so I I suppose you always have that risk with someone with Terry kills background but I'm going for more upside there but anyways good conversation going to be a very interesting player over the next few weeks I think without a shadow of a doubt he's going to be creeping up at least a solid round if not more to your point because of how he did finish last year he does deserve to be potentially in the conversation of the first wide receiver off the board and the first wide receiver off the board is is typically deandre Hopkins at around six so all right so let's jump into it tight ends ooh tough position to picks the sexiest position Asian all fantasy so this should be a little bit shorter because it's just not as much obviously depth here to talk about. We have a couple of the the regulars right at the top that we're familiar with this. is how the topless. Let's just top ten. I'M GONNA say with a top ten finished out last year and you can start off with your tier. One tight ends just in order from one to ten was Travis Kelsey kittle Erz Hebron Cook Burton Burton Austin Hooper the joke who Rudolph O._J.. Howard and some of these are obviously you know ranking the difference between ranking thirteen and six for example was like a total title of less than it was ten points so less than one point a week so there really aren't ten good tight ends here if you're an attend team league in every team has one tight end l.? Every semester star one tight end is going to be at least two or three the teams that aren tight end stream mode starting we one okay so tier one for you for tight ends tier one from eases Travis Calcium jacquards. I think clearly Travis Kelsey is a a little bit ahead of jacquards but I like them. Both you can't go wrong with either one. I would put them in the same here on. I think it's pretty pretty easy pretty straightforward. Travis Chelsea's Akers Tier One yep now of course we're GONNA follow up all of our tears with breaking down where they're going A._D._p.. Wise so that's going to be a different discussion but I did want to clarify that just because we're we're saying Zakar. It's the same tears Kelsey <hes> in terms of player and quality and all that stuff. I am a little hesitant on where's Akers A._D._p.. Is You know and Kittles for that matter but we're going to get to that in different say yeah. We're look at it like it is if A._D._p.. Doesn't matter value doesn't matter just who who who do you have all things are equal if you can get him in the same spot. Who would you rather have <hes>? I think it's clearly travis Kelsey Anzac urged you agree. Yep completely agree on that because here's here's the key. I think a lot of people are going to say you know. Why are you not have George Kill Kill in that <hes> in that that tier because his A._p.? Is Three Point Nine Zakharov three point zero six. They're close <hes> George kill had more receiving yards last year. He's he's a little younger in my thing is and I have we'll kind of transition to the second tier George Kill <hes> by himself into your to the reason for that is it's just a little bit more uncertainty with George Kitto. Jimmy Garoppolo is going to be healthy. We'll see Jimmy. Garoppolo can stay healthy. That offense is on the come up. Endorsed kills obviously going to be a big part of that. He was a big part of their offense last year on a really really bad team so I think George kiddle has you could argue. He has a little more upside Zacher especially considering. I don't think anybody expects Akers to have one hundred sixteen catches again but I just like the situation as accurate and the it's more stable. I think George kittle could potentially be a little bit more volatile but I think he's clearly in the second tier by himself. If you miss out on Jacquards and Travis Kelsey and you end up with George Kill you have one of the three best tight ends and fantasy football and like we saw last year he's going to be a stud so George Kettle into your to all by himself and after that I think there's a pretty big drop off yeah and a lot can be said about the difference between target chair percentage when Jimmy Garoppolo is there and when he he wasn't is actually pretty similar twenty three percent the first three weeks with Jimmy Garoppolo twenty six percent with the rest of the quarter quarterbacks that they had for their meeting of the season of forty niners so you know there should be questioned in terms of if Jimmy Garoppolo's gotta feed kibble but I think the bigger question is can he hold onto his twenty three percents with the influx of new receivers and kind of weapons so. I think he might get a knock there but I think like you said it's close. He's in his own tier so I agree with that as well lily a little bit more uncertainty with if he can keep hold of that target share percentage but I look at his touchdown only five touchdowns last year so even if his target share percents drops off a little bit and even though we see that receptions eight eight receptions go down a little bit because of it he could easily put an eight nine touchdowns you know in that and so I think back a balance out but yeah he's he's in Tier Two tier three we big drop off and I think this is the spot where and this is probably different conversation Mt Tear Tear tweezers empty three-tiered pretty empty. I think at this point for me I would almost be looking to to wait like that's how crazy does this year with the it's really top heavy of the three big tie downs and after that and actually know what I'll make one one caveat too that is I really like O._J.. Howard and I think the problem with O._J.? Howard our is his A._D._p.? Is is five point zero seven so everything we love. Boji Howard is baked in already baked into his eighty pig which A._d._p.'s not top what we're talking about today so different conversation for different show but <hes> my tier three is is is O._J.. Howard Eric Hebron and Hunter Henry and Hunter Henry would be at the bottom of that here? I you know I debate even leaving him out of this third tier. I just decided I'm leaving Hunter Henry. He doesn't deserve to being here O._J.. Howard Air Lebron I I love O._J.? Howard for a lot of the same reasons that I love Chris Godwin we've we've already talked about Kris Golvin a lot? I know he's a trendy player. I I love of O._J.. Howard for so often the Bruce Arians thing which I wanNA talk about everybody mentioned the Bruce Arians the offense better but this is O._J.? Howard third year in the league this is where tight ends you know usually make the step forward to being an actual factor after now health is is always an issue with O._J.? Howard hasn't played a full season yet but only played eight games last year fourteen the previous year in his rookie are but we're already seen the touchdown said five or more touchdowns each of his first two seasons seasons four hundred more receiving yards each of his first two seasons and we don't usually tight ends make an impact at all? It's even worse than than it is a receivers when they come into the N._F._l.. Early on so I I like his talent his size his athletic ability loved the offense and no more Adam Humphries no more to Sean Jackson. I think it's GonNa be a big year throwing the ball for Tampa Bay. They lead the N._F._l.. Last year and pass attempts. They're gonNA throw the ball a ton so I like O._J.. Howard I I don't love his A._D._p.? But again we're doing tears and I think that he is clearly hands down. The fourth best tight end big drop off from George Killed O._J.. Howard but I think O._J.? Howard presents a good balance at this point of he's going me fairly safe relatives the tight ends that are in this grouping and he has the most upside at anybody else from this point on yet? I think the one that in terms of in this here the disagree with his Eric Hebron on I just don't like how they brought in Devin funchess who I feel like is fairly similar player to Eric Hebron even more weapons of Paris Campbell etc.. Maybe a healthy Marlin Mac. I just the more of a I don't like Hebron repeating his numbers and I I would probably throw Evan Ingram in the same tears how so so you didn't like you don't like Kevin Ingram obviously as much as Howard or even Abra no no no ear Iran. I see I agree with you on a lot of points about Abraham Hebron's a great example of for A._D._p.. I I don't love him and he probably won't be on a lot of my teams because six point twelve is too pricey for Hebron at the same point though we're just ranking these tight ends on you know how they are as fantasy players without A._D._p.'s entering into the equation argue bronze number four I mean I think you expect his touchdowns to come down a little bit because of what you mentioned with with the addition of funchess and maybe Peres Campbell Marla Mac and how the but bottom line indies going to have a really good offense and Andrew Lock is very efficient red zone. They're going to be a lot of touchdowns up for grabs. Eric Brown had thirteen touchdowns. I think he can still get ten so you were. We're talking about a a starting tight end with Andrew Lock on the Indianapolis Colts. Getting potentially ten touchdowns get to be in the seven to eight hundred receiving yards sixty <unk> distinct those are solid safe numbers to expect from Eric Hebron even if he comes down down a little bit on his production from last year and that's why I'm taking him over Evan Ingram you know I in terms of tears I like him more than Evan Ingraham a loved more than like him more than Hunter Henry and so on okay and so that wraps up tier three are- with O._J.. Howard and Eric Hebron heading into tier four is this where we have Evan Ingram and Hunter Henry and anyone else or how's your tearful look just just those is too? I I after that where you know. I don't know what we're GONNA do frontiers. It's like everybody else at that point. It's like I'm waiting. I might wait till to grab P._J.. Hopkinson if you round later I have Hunter Henry and Evan Ingram to pure wide receiver <hes> tight end threats if you will I I just I don't love we'll start with Hunter Henry. I mean first of all. He's really had a hard time staying unhealthy. He missed all of last season right and I just we haven't really seen we've seen stuff from Hunter Henry in spurts right and he's very his touchdown numbers. Were really high as rookie or they touchdowns if he. Gets the snaps he is going to be hit. His upside is great if he can get the volume being at the snaps if he can get the targets we just haven't seen it to this point in San Diego or Los Angeles if you will so I like him more than ever ingram because I like his upside a little bit more than Evan Ingram. I like the chargers offense better than the giants offense obviously but I think these two are very I think that the the variances greater with these two especially Hunter Henry I think he's got more boom bust potential. We've seen him have weeks where he has two touchdowns. I've seen him have weeks where he basically puts up zero bomb yeah. Sometimes I just don't understand these eighty ps I mean are people literally only swinging for the fences and just like just completely content with just whipping. I mean Hunter Henry missed all twenty eighteen right didn't do it is intend to anything the previous years he was a nice player but not a great player because Philip rivers like some of the elite quarterbacks passes the ball around so much so he was a nice player he wasn't Kelsey or Gronk any of his first two seasons so he misses an entire year and somehow is so getting drafted early six six round right now in team league I just I don't understand the A._D._p.. Now in terms of caliber player is he above just about everyone else as he should be in this last here that you have I agree because this upside is higher but that doesn't mean he should be going into six round again other discussion for different day his his pedigree and that team he's got some upside there for sure and he'll be heading into his. I don't know I guess technically is fourth year or you know his third playing ear so yeah yeah I think this rounds out my tears because hundred Henry and everything or to me while I don't love of either one of them. I think you can look at each of them and say okay. I have my starting tight end granted. Oh probably be still be my we the weakness on my team. It might my worse starter but I have a starting caliber tight end that I'm at least gonNA start every single week because they have upside after that. It's it's pretty much. You're streaming tight ends. You're drafting multiple tight ends in you know playing it by committee so I. I don't know what you WANNA do for the next exteriors I mean it will. I is there anybody else that I left out that you would include in this year. I would probably include in that tier. I wouldn't take them before. I don't know I wouldn't necessarily put him his own tear. This lump them in as the quote tear before the streaming tears. We'll call it is probably jared cook because he had pretty good year last year and with New Orleans I feel like you'll fit that category that you just Kinda described and that is I've got a starter on most most weeks. Not every week is going to be great but a most weeks assuming health you know I can just plug him in there and I think you'll have a decent day so I think I'd throw jared cook in that in there and in that here with my problem Joel Island Promise Jerry Cook is the Saints Really Have Not used tight ends since they had Jimmy Graham and is that a product of them not really having in good tight end or is that just they got a lot of rushing touchdowns with Alvin Kamara. Even though there's no Mark Ingram here you have Michael Thomas who's an absolute beast and they spread the ball around so much I just I think but at this point the draft yeah I I think we look at him as a starter I I think he's kind of lumped in. I look like Jared Cook. David Joko potentially awesome hooper in this range and T._J.. Hopkinson those would be my you know. My grouping of players is that that might follow the next year but I'm not going out on my way to grab any of those players I would. I would consider them with the exception. Maybe Teacher Hawkins and I don't know if you're GONNA start him week one but I think at least second half the season you should be in a position to maybe you know feel like you can start him. Yeah I agree that's why I was like he's kind of behind the other two but kind of fits a category that might deserve its own tears so maybe maybe cook no joke who Hopkinson Hooper might have their own semi. I tear in front of the streamers the but to your point you're definitely not going out of your way for any of these people. No I think we always see the drop off and tight ends pretty quickly every year where you're like okay. I'm not really going on my way. We get the next best tight end because he's not doesn't why doesn't excite me. I'm just GonNa wait until the very end similar to what people do with quarterbacks in one quarterback leagues and I think this year that just starts even earlier and maybe it's partly is not having Gronk you're you you take gronk out a no players Jimmy Grammar no longer a factor Jordan Reed is now. We're completely writing him off. So the tight end position shallower Kyle Rudolph is another one who's lower who's kinda fallen own off the face of the Earth for fantasy and I think after after Kelsey urged kittle in maybe Howard you know I could maybe talk myself into take him in the sixth or seventh round but the fifth round is too early after that. I'm just like you know we're overpaying for. Some of these mediocre tight ends like Evan Ingram Hundred Henry Eric Hebron even jared cook in the seventh round jerk cooking the seventh rounds crazy. That's crazy town right crazy town. I mean again. I said the difference between six and thirteen it was like what ten points for the entire year and I guarantee at least fifty seventy five percent of those tight ends were just streamers basically for the most part so to your point is that that's going to wrap up our tight hide ends. We're going to be back four hour quarterbacks. Here's and we're going deep real deep south and I are big to Q._B.. Fans so <hes> we're going to be doing all thirty Q._B.'s.

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Patriots-Chargers Week 12 Preview | Mark Schofield | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar

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Patriots-Chargers Week 12 Preview | Mark Schofield | Patriots Beat with Evan Lazar

"Hey everybody. Welcome to the Patriots beat podcast powered by the seal Ms. Media podcast Network. I am Evan Lazar off and today. I am joined by Mark Schofield. Once again Mark. It's for the win now right there USA Today or USA Today touch. Wire. I found so many things over there. I forget sometimes myself. I am just forget where where you're writing cuz you always write it like 10 different places and I have to keep track and then I have you on the podcast and look like an idiot when I say the wrong one and this is perhaps routine. You can listen to all my podcast with Marc and it's the exact same thing me saying Mark, where is it again to a doctor now? It's it's better that all data and evidence of this for me when I sometimes like write something down like wait, who am I ready this for? Do I have to edit the intro that I just wrote Because I think I'm writing from one place and it's actually article for some place else. So well, the point is is that Mark is absolutely everywhere. I'm sure all of you off. Do you follow him on Twitter as well at Mark Schofield? And he does his quarterback breakdown videos, which I absolutely love and that's what we're going to talk with him mostly about today Mark and wage. I think this is where we need to start because it's where everybody is starting when we talk about the Patriots and where we're at with Cam Newton right now in terms of the Patriots quarterback of the here-and-now home and also maybe even looking Beyond here and now to the 2021 season even and here in New England you turn on Boston sports radio, and I'm not trying to pick on those guys, but there are definitely talking a lot about Jarrett Stidham and the possibility of benching Cam Newton for Jarrett Stidham. I think they're crazy. But that that's a topic for another day. Mostly I want to focus on what are your opinions right knee about how cam is playing and how he can obviously improve from objectively. What was a very bad game on Sunday against the Cardinals whether you're a chemist and or a cam hater. Yeah, and it wasn't dead. A game against Arizona and Arizona. First of all, I think you have to remember that Arizona's defense is a lot different than Houston's defense. It's a lot different than Seattle's defense back in week to that Houston game. That's you know game those were two games with Jim actually got the passing game going and you felt hey maybe they could put together a passing game that could actually be effective Arizona see on their athletic. They fly all over the place Isaiah Simmons budda Baker. Like they have guys that can play they have some different things and they certainly they were putting an egg nine guys in the box of times. I'm sure having you saw that as well. I know you have from some of the work you've done they were basically dare in New England like go ahead. S game by throwing the football and it looked like they couldn't, you know, they got a couple breaks at the end with a missed field-goal and Isaiah Simmons penalty then put them in position to win, but they didn't win that game because of the passing game, but you know, that often said, I think we all have to sort of take a step back and realize a couple of things one. You mentioned I studied quarterbacks. Each week at USA Today. I have to do what we call a QB camp where I put up five of my quarterback videos of the most notable quarterback performances. There are some weeks friends. It's hard to find five good quarterback package, which is league-wide It's just tough. This is one of those weeks like you might get Baker Mayfield than that because there's just not great quarterback players Patriots fans were spoiled from two decades of Tom Brady where we took the best at the quarterback position weekend and week out but then when you take a step back and you don't have that and you see guys like, you know, Derek Carr and his high variance play or Baker Mayfield in his high variance player. Look at Carson waves, I mean talk about somebody that's regressed. He's regressed all the way back to his senior year at North Dakota State quarterback plays tough. And right now we have a quarterback. That's high variance. Well, that's one thing. I think we need to remember the other is this he came in late in a strange year in the midst of a pandemic with no training camp more minimal training camp. No minicamps. No OTAs, no prestige. James be tough complicated offense to run that has so many different moving parts. You've read The Playbook, you know, Evan every road has like six different variations. I'm trying to do is hard. There are some play books that are easy. It's like oh, yes, this makes sense Bruce Arians Playbook. It's kind of easy. Nothing really changes Josh McDaniels doing the Patriots Playbook. It's like quantum physics for me. Like I I can't figure it out. And so to try to do that in the midst of all this is difficult. So with that context, I think you know, if you want to get into the home Jared versus cam debate. I don't really think there is one because as you pointed out this week on Twitter Bill Belichick has seen Jarrett Stidham now for almost two years. He's seen him every day in practice if Jake was going to be the answer to what fixed to what else is Patriots passing game. Yes, he would play him but he's not so that tells you what you need to know about Jackson them. I was on Jarrett Stidham home. Right before they signed Camp. I remember I wrote the peace and said look Jack said it was a planet quarterback everybody and I'm so glad I snuck in at the ad. Well, look if they could get can do it for cheap short not be great. But Jarod said it was a planet like two weeks later. I signed Cam Newton Cam right now gives them the best chance to win games. Is it through the passing game most weeks? Probably not, you know this week might be a get right opportunity. But if I you know, if for the 2021 season, I still think canvas done enough to earn the chance to win this job with a full complement of training camp preseason, all that stuff of the engine needs to get better at Short of the mechanics break. Absolutely not do they matter. Sometimes they actually do but right now he's the best shot they've got week in and week out to win games. There's so many things. I want to follow up with you on there. The first thing I want to mention is just off your first point about how we were spoiled and I think we people get defensive when we say that and and they get angry at us that we say that they were spoiled. It's true though, and I think the biggest thing is dead. I went and watched that 2019 playoff game against the Chargers yesterday to see what exactly they did schematically offensively and I'm watching Brady and this is at the peak of his powers just absolutely surgically tear up the Los Angeles Chargers defense and I'm thinking of myself, you know, this guy is just so freaking good and there's no I was on a Buccaneer show yesterday and Bucks fans are getting a little angsty about the passing game and I wanted to like kids. Yeah Mom down. All right because all you're doing is giving Tom Brady ammunition. Let's will record of this Thursday morning Tom Brady just recorded an error rate at a hide video for Lipscomb Academy in Tennessee Trent dilfer's team their balls playing the National Championship in the states. She came and in the first sentence Tom Brady says, I was picked 199. Yeah, it's not 2005. It's twenty twenty almost twenty Twenty-One and he's still driven by that. This is a guy that is driven off. To be perfect. We were spoiled for twenty years is okay to admit that we haven't seen quarterbacks with this level of precision painting Tom Brady like they're different breeds and we were spoiled that we should be thankful. We have the twenty years we did right exactly and I think the biggest thing is what you mentioned about the variance of quarterback play here in New England. We were so used to the quarterback just being dead. Great all the time right on one wavelength all the time of just continuously being consistent. And even in a bad Brady game is bad was usually still better than a lot of quarterbacks in the league. So that's what we're accustomed to see the other thing that we're accustomed to seeing him. And one thing that really stood out about that charger playoff game why I brought it up was the footwork the mechanics the clean break and motion his feet always pointing towards his Target the Precision in which he got the ball out to accuracy in which he got the ball out to the short part of the field, you know, there's going to be situations in this charge. Game when they play a lot of Cover 3 defense that Josh McDaniels is going to flood the middle of the field and he's going to get low receivers, you know underneath receivers open by sending guys up to seems and setting the guys up the issue and then clearing out that coverage for a Jacoby Myers or someone to fill in in the bottom and Brady. It's just off the back foot and out. It's off the back foot and out and the ball is in a spot that the receiver can then do something with it after the catch Cam Newton doesn't necessarily do that on a consistent basis. That's not really his game. And if you go and you actually look at some of the advanced metrics within ten yards of the line of scrimmage, she has a worse On Target percentage that he does on passes over 10 yards because he's actually better at pushing the ball down the field and he feels more comfortable doing that and throwing the short stuff. So not only does he not have the wrong picture perfect drawing mechanics that every High School coach in the country has teach tape and Tom Brady to show their High School quarterbacks. Their sixteen-year-olds are watching. Hey, this is this is it at the pig? This is the case the resistance. This is the Mona Lisa of quarterback mechanics, right and Cam Newton's does not look the same. He's not as proficient in those underneath throws. He's not as good as a leading receivers into your life, you know, and that Chargers game Edelman feasted on over routes Crossing irelia you Cam is not as good at anticipating those over routes coming open and throwing Jacoby Myers into space where he can catch and run with it. It's just not as game and that's okay because you look at the Houston game. He does do things. Well passing the football down the field I manipulation arm Talent all that kind of stuff is not the same as what we saw with Tom Brady for twenty years. So it's a much different. Look. The other thing is is you mention cams mechanics and I think because we were so spoiled by Brady's great mechanics can be bad mechanical throws really stand out to us when we see his, you know, his feet not pointed in the right direction or his hips open early and all these types of stuff, you know shoulder fly off. Whenever and you look at all these things and you say okay, you know from from a coaching standpoint from a mechanical standpoint. This is ugly. Right. This is why is accuracy is sometimes hit-or-miss, but I wanted to ask you that specific question. When does it matter and when does it not matter because I think that's really key because we can break down several Cam Newton throws where he has poor mechanics, but one week mattered and one week it did it, you know and I thought against Arizona for the most part it kind of waned on him as the game went on but I thought for the most part he threw basically with the same platform as he threw against Houston ball just didn't necessarily end up in the same spots as it did against the Texans. Yeah, and and that's the critical point of it like, you know, not to bring up Patrick Mahomes, but I think he's a good example of mechanics matter and and not matter in because when the homes was coming through his drafts, like a lot of people said pre-draft obvious mechanics are a mess that will never work in the National Football League and that's when I started saying mechanics Matt birth. Don't matter until they Mac. Okay, what that means is as long as the ball gets where it needs to be what it needs to be there and it puts the receiver and position to have success after the catch. I don't care how you throw if you look at Mahomes. Look at that game against Tampa Bay. He had that jet vertical route to Tyreek Hill off of an RPO mesh where his feet were all over the place and just flipped it like sidearm and it's right on the money. So that doesn't matter. I don't care how he throws it it got to where it needs to be. But if the ball doesn't get where it needs to be it, it hurts the receivers chance to either make the catch or get yardage after the catch em because of your mechanics, then it's a problem and there are examples of this. Like if you go back to the San Francisco game early in that game that missed their down on the check down to James White. The throw was low wage you get a chance to catch you make a move and he stopped short the ball placement was off because of the mechanics and that's when it matters when throws are missed and it's because of the mechanical issue age. They're just stepping in the bucket or like you showed me like you just said the hip opens early the shoulders flare open. That's when it matters. So in the Houston game when the mechanics are shoddy, but the boss don't get more needs to be done a good that's fine. We can live with that but it's when it prevents the rest of the team to have see where throw is placed and it's mechanical issue. That's what it matters. I know the question the follow-up calls from everybody is what can you fix it? Yes, but it takes time but with Cam Newton, he's been doing this for a long time now and so at some point the mechanics are what they are you home to find a way to work within them. You know, how many times do we hear Blake Bortles? You know when he was in Jackson OH strips the mechanics he doesn't have that big dip in Loop now is to work it on at all training camp. He's looking great first driving home West on 38th and I'll do it comes back. It's muscle memory. Like when you're at this point in your career is what it is. You can tinker and refine things but muscle memory will take over so you have to find a way sort of conceptually within your offense to make it off. Get Guys open except the limitations accepted on the perhaps some of those over routes. You're not going to get the axle. Make sure you get what you can on the design, you know on some of these checkdowns. You might not get a ton of yeah, so get what you can with the design and work with the quarterback to maximize the opportunities that he presents given some of these mechanical limitations right because we're birdie, you know, and I hate to keep on comparing it back to age but I think that that's even if people don't realize it. I truly feel like that's what they're doing in their heads as Patriots fans cuz they're saying hey in the past when we've checked the ball down to James White, he's caught in the ball and ran with it or in the past when we throw the ball to Julian Edelman his caught in the ball and then ran with it, you know, why don't we have that anymore and a lot of it has to do with just you know, maybe the throw is just a little bit behind him or it's a little late or it's a little bit lower. It's a little bit High, you know that screen passes the final drive of the game against Arizona, you know, Camp throws it over James James Whitehead and basically the entire play is Helen void from that point off. Because the past was off so the two other things that I think are really key with accuracy that quarterbacks coach Jen fish kind of told me a few months ago. I asked him. You know, what makes an accurate quarterback is it just mechanics or is it off of things and he said decision-making and timing are just as important as throwing mechanics and I think if you could see, you know cams decisions for the most part, I think I've been pretty solid basically for the last four or five weeks. You know, I know we can pick at some of the interceptions and stuff like that that he has thrown but one you know for last week was a bad and passed the other one was more about being late and damiere Byrd being held at the top of the route than anything else and I think that when you look at a lot of the the timing of a lot of these throws have the ball is coming out on time that I think that they would be in the right place. It's just a bulk is coming out too late and he's you know, he's a guy a little bit too far or he's throwing a guy a little bit too much inside and when he's supposed to be outside and if he had thrown it right with right when he was supposed to and maybe we wouldn't run into these accuracy issues before we move. Rid of her bird who I'm really really impressed with and I think Bill Belichick's pretty darn impressed with do based on his comments. You mentioned at this could be a Get Right game for Cam Newton. Josh McDaniels knows this charger scheme. He knows how to draw it up against this Chargers defense. We saw him do it. Again. Seattle's defense. It's the same scheme. So Kim should have success. My my question to you is that they play obviously cover three forty percent of the time they do it more than almost any team in the league three three deep for under most of the time. They're begging cam to throw the ball short on that page. That's not a coverage that you normally succeed throwing the ball down the field and making big plays off of so, I think the question is then is does Cam have the proficiency under ten yards off pick away at a defense like that or are they going to have to find ways to scheme it up that he can push it down the field. Yeah, and I think you know the fact that they play like covered. It's not like the old Seahawk. Discover Three Words Press coverage on the outside with the legion of boom days. It's more your traditional Steelers type spot drop Cover 3, you know where the guys are going to be. You know, what's a bit of good news bad news. Like you said having you know, they play it more than anybody else. They've given up 26 pass in place, but gain of Twenty Yards or more in an intended Area Arts of 10 plus that tells you but the scheme is a factor not like yeah, screen or something like that at fourteen of those big plays more income for three like they've given up some big plays in that coverage. The problem is from New England offense perspective those types of games on offense at most, gets covered one cuz teams are snacking the box and they're trying to stop the run. They find only five plays like that with that level of success. It gets covered three and two of those were against Seattle with Newton throw up to Julian Edelman who we know she's not on the roster right now because the, you know, the injuries that being said though, there are ways to sort of make plays both underneath provided can put the ball where it needs to be Edge team up from birth. Don't feel that we all as Patriots fans. We love horse. Why'd you right? So one of our favorite we all know it. Does she brought up the themes from the slot receivers hi