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Scandal 34: The Blackmail of Lester Hunt

Political Scandals

39:22 min | 7 months ago

Scandal 34: The Blackmail of Lester Hunt

"In the year leading up to the twenty twenty election we're counting down the biggest scandals in American political history. This is number thirty four the blackmail of Lester Hunt. The Senate offices sat quiet on the morning of June nineteenth nineteen fifty four. It was a Saturday after all and the warm sunshine invited. Dc residents outside to enjoy the weather but not everyone would venture into the weekend with such carefree plans. Such was the case for detective. Jack Frost No not that Jack Frost. This investigator was less jovial. Figure that morning anyway he'd been summoned up to the Senate offices by Capitol Security. Why they wouldn't say not over the phone but clearly something had gone wrong. Frosts suspicions were confirmed when he arrived on the third floor of the building to see a gathering of AIDS murmuring and hushed tones. They briefed him on. The situation was shaken but there wasn't time to waste. He launched into action. They needed an empty florist van immediately. An odd demand perhaps but calling an ambulance draw too much attention an emergency vehicle at the congressional offices on a weekend no less would send reporters into a frenzy and frost needed to buy the staffers time before the news vans arrived. They had to figure out how to tell the Wyoming senator's family why a gunshot rang out in his office that morning. Welcome to political scandals. Apar- cast original. I'm Richard and I'm kate. You can find all episodes of political scandals and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or ever you listen to podcasts to stream political scandals for free on spotify just open the APP and type political scandals in the search bar at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network? Washington. Dc The nineteen fifties. It's nearly impossible to hear these words and not immediately associate them with McCarthyism. Mccarthyism takes its name from. Joseph McCarthy the Wisconsin senator known to this day for perpetuating a red scare in the nineteen fifties he effectively convinced the US that communism was slipping into every crack of American life and coming for the country's democratic ideals but the red scare wasn't the only mania brewing at the time there was another scare similarly tied to communism but also linked to contemporary misconceptions about homosexuality. Which until the nineteen seventies was categorized by the American Psychiatric Association? As a psychological illness conservative fearmongers believed the. Lgbtq community was extra vulnerable to being duped by the United States. Communist enemies could after all be blackmailed for their sexuality. No matter that blackmail is the fault of the blackmailer and plenty of heterosexual government. Employees had skeletons in their closets. To LGBTQ was suddenly equated with communism and the paranoia had violent consequences. The lavender scare as it was dubbed lasted from the late nineteen forties into the nineteen sixties it led to thousands of investigations into the sexuality of Government Employees. Such inquiries aim to dismiss. Lgbtq civil servants from their jobs but the lavender scare didn't stop there according to the National Lgbtq Chamber of Commerce not only lgbt federal employees fired but many others were also simply fired for guilt of association. In knowing someone who was LGBT was grim time but even pervasive movements like the lavender scare. Don't simply emerge out of thin air. They have their leaders. The ones who turn fear into paranoid retributive action. In the case of the lavender scare that leader was new? Hampshire senator styles bridges. He was a formidable leader. Back in one thousand nine thirty four at age thirty seven he become the youngest governor in the United States at the time in one thousand nine hundred eighty six. He was elected to the New Hampshire Senate seat that he would hold for nearly a quarter of a century eventually his long congressional tenure saw him rise to the rank of president pro tempore a the second most important officer in charge of the Senate when the vice president is away by the early nineteen fifties. According to biographer Rodger mcdaniel. Bridges was considered the most important man in the United States Senate and one of the five or six most powerful men in the world. The weight he threw behind the lavender scare cause was tremendous but like most powerful men. Bridges didn't fight his battles alone. He had allies everywhere. Even the Eisenhower White House was complicit in one thousand. Nine hundred fifty. Three President Eisenhower signed an executive order which listed sexual perversion grounds. For firing current employees perversion. Here was a euphemism for anyone. Who wasn't heterosexual. The order encouraged more agencies to spring up and police the perceived threat the DC metro police even created a vice unit tasked with serving the city's social scene from businesses to parks a detective named Roy. Blick would become Washington's one man watchdog. These lavender scare policies contributed to the McCarthy Ist climate of nineteen fifties DC a climate of fear persecution and enemies. That seemed impossible to up with because they didn't exist but what business congressional fearmongers and undercover cops have with a humble dentist from Wyoming. Well that dentist was Lester. Hunt who in addition to being a dentist was a Democratic senator holding a highly coveted seat in nineteen fifty three. The Senate was split. Forty eight Democratic senators held the narrowest of majorities of their forty seven Republican colleagues. If one Democrat were to resign though the balance of power would flip out of the forty eight Democrats Lester. Hunt was particularly interesting to Republicans. His term was about to end in one thousand nine hundred ninety four and if hunt gave up his seat. Most people on the hill speculated that he'd be replaced by current Wyoming Governor CJ. Rogers who was you guessed it a Republican. But of course there was little reason for hunt to give up his seat. He had solid support in his home. State and by the political standards of the fifties. He was an honorable man with an admirable backstory. After growing up in Small Town Illinois Hunt paid his way through dental school by working the railroads when World War One broke out. He dutifully enlisted to serve and in nineteen twenty when the war wound down he and his new wife novell moved back to Wyoming and dedicated themselves to their community. Hunts nineteen thirty two decision to run for the State Legislature? Was Par for the course. It didn't matter that he had barely any experience in politics. It just mattered. That people trusted him Wyoming politics. Were still very much. The Wild West there wasn't the same insistence on political pedigree as back east and in the midst of the Great Depression a local democratic veteran was someone Wyoming could throw its weight behind. He understood the plight of the average family hunt was elected as a representative to the Wyoming state legislature in nineteen thirty three in nineteen forty eight. He ran for the United States. Senate and one Lester Hunt. The small town dentist had made it to Washington all with his unimpeachable reputation intact. Unfortunately he joined the town just as the paranoia of the red lavender scares was nearing its boiling point and in that age the Republicans and particularly paranoid leaders like styles. Bridges knew that enough digging. Would unearth cracks in any man's reputation as hunts freshman term wound down in nineteen fifty. Three bridges became increasingly determined to find that crack. It was worth a bit of effort considering that if he took hunt down he might just win his party. A majority in the Senate up next Senator Bridges Resorts to dirty tactics in his fight for Leicester on Senate seat High Park. Get ready for a real treat. If you enjoy stories about crime mystery and the unexplained you'll absolutely love the new park asked original series supernatural with Ashley Flowers. It's hosted by Crime Junkies Ashley. Flowers and you can hear new episodes every Wednesday. Most mysteries can be solved by looking at the facts but sometimes the facts don't lead to a logical explanation and the truth lies somewhere in the unknown in supernatural with Ashley. Flowers Ashley takes a deep dive into the strange and surreal to explain some of the world's most bizarre true crime occurrences each week. She'll dig into a different crime or mystery where the most fitting theory isn't always the most conventional from exorcisms to unsolved murders to alien abductions. Ashley will take on. The tails challenge the unexplained and dissect the facts with a heavy helping of skepticism and rationale. So are you ready? To get to the bottom history's most peculiar events. Follow supernatural with Ashley. Flowers free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story. In the nineteen fifties the United States was fighting an onslaught of paranoia. The American public lingered in perpetual anxiety wondering what the next menace would be Republican. Senator Joe McCarthy stepped in to tell the country that public enemy number one was communism and number two was the Lgbtq community for these fearmongers. Anyone that deviated from the narrow ideal of heterosexual. Conservatism should be subject to surveillance. It was a good climate for taking down civil servants with whispers of disgrace unfortunately for Wyoming. Senator Lester Hunt who in Nineteen fifty-three was nearing the end of his first term in Congress. Senator Styles Bridges was determined to take hunt seat for the GOP through whatever means necessary. His first approach was to pointedly attack. Lester hunts politics claiming he was weak on communism. According to biographer Rodger. Mcdaniel the New Hampshire senator openly criticized hunt for taking a position. He felt was too lenient on the employment of homosexuals and others who bridges thought were security risks in the federal government but verbal accusations would only do so much. Bridges needed something bigger in the summertime of nineteen fifty three. He'd get his ammunition bluster hunt son also named Lester so nicknamed Buddy was briefly visiting Washington D C A rigorous learner. Buddy had graduated from swarthmore college in June of nineteen forty nine. He was inspired. By the College's commitment to social justice. After graduation buddy was eager to take what he'd learned and apply it to a life in theology specifically he enrolled at the Episcopal Theological School in Massachusetts. He planned to continue his coursework and spend his summers teaching abroad in Havana. But before heading out for Cuba buddy swung by to visit his parents in Washington and for one reason or another late one June evening. The twenty four year old was walking through. Dc's Lafayette Park. It was no ordinary patch of grass. Lafayette Park had a reputation for hosting all kinds of activities protests dates and social gatherings including those of Washington's Gay community however the rise of the lavender scare had changed the atmosphere of DC's popular hangout spot by Nineteen fifty-three Lafayette Park was less a place of fun. Then somewhere where members of the LGBTQ community might be trapped by vicious gang members or cops and trap was precisely what waited for buddy hunt that summer. Night as Buddy pass through the park. He walked by an undercover. Dc Metro police officer. This officer John. Costanzo allegedly tried to catch. Hunts I in his court testimony? Buddy said Costanzo was swaggering trying to attract my attention. They made eye contact and the two were prepared to go to buddies place when Costanzo flashed his badge. Buddy hunt was arrested then escorted to the polices morals division to have his mugshot and fingerprints taken. Though he could have called Senator Hunt and his mother fell. Buddy opted to spend the night in jail. He knew that thanks to a pervasive culture of fear and shame. The charges would embarrass the family and potentially impact his father's career. The next morning buddy was officially charged with soliciting for a lewd and immoral purpose. This was all in keeping with the practices of the time what happened. Next was not the head of the DC metro vice squad. Roy Blick sent word to Senator Lester Hans Office. That buddy was in trouble hunt undoubtedly new Blix name and the kinds of cases he worked he also knew the potentially damaging implications of the case in the midst of the lavender scare so he didn't go to the jailhouse himself instead he sent a proxy. His congressional aide. Mike Mantos Manitoba's would meet with Blick and get a litmus on the situation upon learning the charges Manitoba's apparently explained that buddy had been receiving psychiatric treatment and wasn't in his normal state of mind. This was untrue but he likely figured it was the best argument to get. The charges dismissed Blix. Alleged reply was surprising as his initial call to Senator Hunt. The detective said he tried to get the case thrown out this coming from a man who boasted about rating. Lafayette Park spoke volumes. Perhaps Lester Hunt. Sterling reputation in Washington was even more powerful than the rampant aggression of McCarthyism and the lavender scare the fact that the charges were subsequently withdrawn. Seemed to confirm this after a few days. Prosecutors decided not to pursue further action citing the fact that it was buddies. I defense this may very well have been the end of the story. Had it not been for one crass comment made to Senator Bridges? According to mcdaniel in the days following buddies arrest. Senator Ridges was told that the Lester C hunt who had been charged with soliciting sex from an undercover officer was his fellow senator. Clearly the congressional aide who gave Bridges Information had confused Senator Hunt with his son but the remark was all. It took to spur bridges to investigate he along with his colleagues senator. Herman Welker of Idaho immediately. Paid A visit to Roy. Blick who explained that it was buddy not lester senior. Who had been picked up bridges and Welker were likely disappointed but not without hope it wasn't quite as damaging for senator to have a gay family member as it was for him to be gay himself. It was certainly still an embarrassment. The real problem came with detective. Blick second piece of information. The law wasn't moving forward with charges. That would not do whispers about a gay son. We're all well and good but it was a trial against Hun Sun. That would really make their colleague. Look bad. The senators were not going to let this opportunity go. Senator Welker contacted Blick multiple more times that day. Finally that night welker demanded that blick come meet him in person. There welker accused him of taking a two thousand dollar. Bribe to drop buddies charges. Blick was taken aback. He defended his work. Clearly the senator was trying to frame him. Blake refused to admit any wrongdoing and promptly left but bridges and welker would not be deterred. They simply have to try another tactic and luckily bridges had connections in the DC metro. Police Detective Blick found himself taken off. But he's case in the meantime senators bridges and Welker launched another line of attack. This one directly at Senator Hunt. They'd use the threat of trial to try and coerce him out of his seat much quicker than actually waiting for fallout from the trial and easier for everyone like all men of the Cold War bridges and Welker loved a good proxy. They sent a third party to deliver their ultimatum. Glenn Red Jacoby. The University of Wyoming Director of athletics hunt had once helped Jacoby raised funding for uw athletic program. That relationship made him a promising emissary and his job simple. All he had to do was tell hunt that he best give up his Senate seat or buddy would be prosecuted and the whole country would hear about it. But you Kobe's conscience tugged at him. And he stalled he didn't want to have such a responsibility dumped in his lap. Instead he asked Joe o'mahony a former Wyoming senator to tell hunt o'mahony he suspected would have the gumption to follow through. Jacoby was right. O'mahony delivered the message. Senator Hunt immediately understood the stakes of bridges threat. A trial would be a huge blow not just to buddies reputation but to his whole family. Dinner invitations would be lost in the mail. Golf Buddies would forget to mention. They were playing at a different course. Charitable committees would fail to invite his wife to their TS and luncheons and even if he did decide to drag his family through that shame he might still lose the support of his constituents in the fallout and end up without a career. But Lester Hunt had come from. Nothing worked his way up fought in a world war if he allowed himself to be strong armed. What would that say about the reputation? He'd built about his values. According to journalist Drew Pearson Hunt finally decided he would not permit himself to be blackmailed out of office. The ball was back in bridges court. But he'd need to roll up his sleeves in order to make the charges against buddy hunt reappear but bridges wasn't one to turn his nose at hard work or bat an eye twisting a few arms for his cause according to Pearson he and his ally Senator Joe Welker once more sought out their main man. Detective Roy Blick and allegedly this time. It wasn't a matter of verbal abuse. Blick was given a copy of his unsigned letter of resignation and told that the prosecution of buddy hunt should be forthcoming or else on June thirtieth. Another warrant for buddies arrest on the same. Moral charges was issued. Despite the fact that buddy was now in Cuba for his episcopal coursework. The summons was adamant that he returned to Washington. His trial date was set for October. Nineteen fifty-three buddies lawyer. Under senator. Hunts watchful eye began to prepare the defense? He would argue. That buddy was an innocent victim of entrapment. I that meant proving that Costanzo had been trying to lure in buddy. This wouldn't be hard to do considering that it was a central part of Costanzo 's job however the second portion of entrapment takes into account the defendants behavior. But he's lawyer had to convince the judge that buddy hadn't been open to advance from Costanzo. No he wasn't publicly out about his sexuality. Buddies lawyer was inclined to believe his client would have engaged with Costanzo proposition and he was worried. The judge would think the same years later buddy himself admitted I wasn't framed. I guess technically it was entrapment but I was ready for the trap. Trial ended without much light at the end of the tunnel. Buddy was deemed guilty and given the choice to pay a one hundred dollar fine or serve thirty days in jail. He paid the fine. Senator Hunt faced the trial's conclusion with gritted teeth and seriously considered whether it was even worth running for reelection. The arrest and trial hadn't been widely publicized yet but he knew that was liable to at any moment after all he was no longer a young man he told the governor of Alaska about his hesitations. He was no longer of the age to reconcile gambling. Ten thousand dollars. Twelve thousand or maybe fifteen thousand dollars on the questionable possibility of being re elected as nineteen fifty four wound on however it appeared. Hunts worries about reelection were abating. According to mcdaniel. He'd even commissioned a poll measuring his support against four possible GOP CONTENDERS. The poll told him he would likely be reelected. Perhaps all his worrying about the political fallout of buddies arrest. Trial was for not but as the election approached the blackmail began. His opponents threatened to flood wyoming with leaflets about buddies conviction and the senators stiff-upper-lip didn't mean he wasn't affected by the idea of having his son publicly outed and used as a political chesapeake. Washington could have guessed as much everyone in the city lived in the same culture of fear and persecution still. The city was shocked when just two months after announcing his reelection campaign. Lester Hunt made an announcement. He was withdrawing from the race back home in Wyoming hunts constituents clamored for answers to. He'd been so well positioned to win and if hunt wasn't going to run for Senate. What was he going to do up next? Senator Hunt makes a shocking choice now back to the story after weathering his sons criminal trial and hinting that he'd seek reelection. Senator Lester Hunt Spring. Nineteen fifty four bombshell didn't make sense. He announced he wouldn't run. But William Harrison. The most formidable candidate running against him had already dropped out. He had excellent odds of winning Hans. Own Explanation for the announcement did little to satisfy the public. He made the vague claim that he had to end his campaign due to pressing health issues as the Washington. Rumor Mill. Started churning so did whispers that hunt had been making regular visits to the says the Naval Hospital recently for what no one quite knew as support poured in hunt assured his constituents and friends that he was okay. He just needed time to mend his private actions though contradicted his words. Little did those close to the senator. No he was preparing for something. According to biographer Rodger mcdaniel. He said about writing a series of letters one went to Dean crackle at the University of Wyoming Hunt asked that the university archive would receive his records as soon as his Senate term concluded. The next year more litters went out to former coworkers and mentors. He thanked his former aide. Old Dental colleagues for guiding him through his early years. Apparently he sent letters nearly until the day he died and that day would come all too soon on Saturday. June nineteenth nineteen fifty. Four hunt slipped out from his home. He told no one of his plans but simply got behind the wheel and drove to his Senate office alone. It wasn't odd for representatives to be working weekends at the Capitol. Various AIDS held weekend shifts to support anyone pulling odd hours when the senator arrived though his hands were full literally so full that a young security guard offered to lend him a hand. Hunt handed him a Winchester Bolt Action. Twenty two rifle. The guard didn't recall. The item is odd. He'd always thought of the senator as a strapping cowboy from Wyoming. So he didn't think twice. About what the gun had. In the senator's office hunt arrived at his door and bid. Farewell with that. He completed a few final tasks. He moved photographs of each of his children to the front of his desk and arranged for letters intended for his aid. Mike Mantos to give to his family. His timing was meticulous. He arrived at the office shortly before. Manitoba's likely knowing he'd be found by the loyal aide and quickly so the proper measures could be taken hunt felt. His wife and children had gone through enough stress with buddies trial. He didn't want them to have to experience. The heartbreaking moment of finding his body as planned Manitoba arrived to find hunt in his office chair. Just minutes after hunt pulled the trigger. He was dead from a gunshot wound to the head soon after detective. Frost was called in to help deal with the situation and so began the process. The florist band was called into move the body. The press was skirted arrangements were made to tell the senators family. Hunt's wife nefail remained largely silent in the days after hunt's death though she attributed her husband's suicide to health issues she never specified which a memorial service was arranged for the next week much of The Washington. Political sphere was invited. Many were grieving the Senator Journalists Drew Pearson especially he had known hunt was being blackmailed and that bridges and his cronies were pulling dishonest. Even illegal tricks had he written about it earlier. Perhaps he could have helped. Spare the senator some anguish. Perhaps he could have even prevented him from taking his own life. However in an effort to not further rattle the family after Buddies Trial Pearson claim that Senator Hunt had personally asked him to stay mum after Han suicide though Pearson couldn't stay quiet any longer. He knew a grave injustice had occurred at the hands of men still in Congress. Just a few days after hunt's death Pearson wrote with knives out saying hunt had been living under the fear of political blackmail in connection with his son Pearson gave every detail he had explaining. What many Washington insiders were afraid to share? How senators bridges and welker tried to make hunt resign how they then resorted to strong. Arming the DC police to reinstate prosecution against buddy he closed his column solemnly stating that he feared that hunt was not just a dedicated senator but a sensitive father who didn't want his son dragged through the mud at the expense of his reelection. Senator Bridges was furious. Perhaps in all his pomp and circumstance. He believed a low level journalist. Wouldn't go after him but Pearson's column in The Washington. Merry go round muckraking. As new snobs called it opened the gates for more criticism. The more reputable Washington Post soon chimed in. Thanks to journalist Marquee Child's he titled his Report Smears and Tears Plague the Senate he to condemn the duo stating the McCarthy welker faction of. The party had blood on its hands for its role in hunt suicide with all this press pointing directly at them. It was increasingly necessary for senators bridges and Welker to attend hunts June thirtieth memorial avoiding the event would only feed speculation that they held some responsibility for the suicide at the service. Lyndon B Johnson took to the podium and expressed his sadness saying I can think of few events which cast a greater pall of gloom over the Senate than the untimely and tragic death of our beloved colleague. Lester Hunt though. It's unclear who permitted the next two speakers to contribute eulogies both bridges and Welker were allotted time to speak after LBJ walkers closing words whereas insensitive as expected a last ditch effort to extricate himself from blame. He praised hunt briefly. Before adding I venture to say hunt could have been the senior senator from Wyoming as long as he lived or as long as he desired subtext. We weren't gunning for his seat. Despite their false show of mourning at hunts memorial bridges and Welker were both boiling with fury they wanted to crucify drew. Pearson for alleging that they had been blackmailing hunt. The vitriol even filtered up to Joe McCarthy himself according to mcdaniel Senator McCarthy had a frame sledgehammer in his office labeled for Drew Pearson only indeed bridges was on a bloodthirsty quest for damage control. He wanted Pearson's column to be ripped from syndication less. The journalists claims continue to be spread into other newspapers across the nation on June twenty-first ridges contacted bell syndicated and threatened them outright. Saying if you're syndicate or any of your papers under contract with you carry the Drew Pearson story with respect to the undersigned the late. Lester Hunt that you. And each of you will be held strictly accountable. Bridges didn't stop there. He tried to shore up his reputation at home. Too with the help of the publisher of the Manchester Union Leader New Hampshire's largest daily newspaper publisher. William Loeb claimed the Drew Pearson's column was not only a Hogwash. But that the dirty unfounded accusation will soon be exposed for the baseless. Lie It is. It came as no surprise that the editorial from Senator Bridges Homestate offered little factual evidence to back the argument that he was innocent as mcdaniel. Put it. The diatribe consisted wholly of lobes political prejudices surely topic so contested warranted further investigation. Senator Lester Hunt had by all accounts killed himself under very concerning circumstances. No such inquiry came though despite Linden Johnson's awareness of the situation. The Senate Ethics Committee never opened an investigation. This could have been to respect the wishes of Hunt's wife. Nfl was largely private and declined. Press requests following her husband's death. It was also probable that now the Republican led Senate wasn't eager to dig further into what its leaders had or hadn't done because as anticipated hunts vacant seat was filled by Republican Edward D. Creeper the Senate majority that senators bridges and Welker had long lusted over was finally. There's for a few months. The general election of nineteen fifty four found Democrat. Joseph o'mahony running for Senator from Wyoming. Yes the same man who delivered the news of the impending blackmail to hunt and much to the displeasure of bridges and Welker o'mahony one though nothing could abate the tragedy of senator hunt suicide. There was a certain air of shot in Freud in the fact that styles bridges was the one to swear in Wyoming's newest Democratic senator after all. That's the job of the President Pro. Tempore a great power great responsibility but the glory days were fading quickly. The aging styles bridges would become an increasingly likely suspect of tax evasion in his final years. The stock piles of cash left in various places for his wife to retrieve after he passed only seemed to confirm it the gray eminence as he was nicknamed died of a heart attack in Nineteen. Sixty one with bridges. Finally out of the picture. No one could argue lester. Hunt had become suicidal at random in an effort to further clarify the senators motives and whether a medical condition had prompted him to take his own life. Biographer Rodger mcdaniel made requests to access his medical records in accordance with the freedom of Information. Act however the inquiries to the Bethesda and national archives went unanswered so mcdaniel asked Wyoming Senator John Barrasso to intervene which under a shocking revelation according to mcdaniel the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Bethesda Naval Hospital destroyed records. That would have shed light on the black male of Lester Hunt. Thirty years after his death. It's unclear if either agency had reason to participate in a however the destruction of records that would have helped settled. This outstanding question is troubling indeed. It leaves hunts story without any clear resolution. But what the episode does make clear? Is that a politics of suspicion and hatred has very real human consequences and certainly in this case. None of those consequences were good. Not even for bridges. Thanks for listening for more information on Senator Lester Hunt and the lavender scare amongst the many sources we used. We found Roger. Mcdaniels dying for Joe McCarthy sins the suicide of Wyoming Senator Lester Hunt extremely helpful to our research. We'll be back next week with scandal number thirty three Bath House John Coughlin and Michael Hinky Dink Kenna. You can find all episodes of political scandals and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only does spotify already. 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"Welcome to the New York podcasts. Your own S- Plaka Veli of Music News and criticism on your host Junqueira Monica. A your system. Were listening to hard to forget. It's the boy. Sam Hunt Sam the hunt. He is back southside second album. Five years after Momma Violeau. I gotta be honest there few albums that I have been actively anticipating for as long or even one tenth as long as I've been waiting for the same record a wrote about Sam. I interviewed him piece. Came out about a week and a half ago. And just a little backstory tillage. How much I am how much I care about. Sam Hunt Montebello came out in two thousand fifteen and I had written about the EP that came out previously. So I didn't really write about Montebello because I kind of had said everything I needed to say but I knew I wanted to talk to him. I knew I knew that there was a story and I was like okay. Well let's get the first story of the second cycle and so I started making calls started started. Having meetings started having conversations that was true twenty sixteen and then twenty seven rolls around. And they're like okay. He's he's in the studio he's working and we were GonNa do a thing where I checked in every two three months throughout the process and then dropped a big piece. When the record came to Nashville went to the House that he had not yet moved in with his fiancee. His wife where he was on the about to move in so went up to the house where he lived with his bandmates. We had really really good conversation. We probably at two big talks on that trip and after that nothing I was like this is weird. I couldn't quite figure out what had happened to him and what had happened is he got his personal life together. He got married. He devoted time to his wife and two healing. That relationship was Hannah. Who is his wife is the woman who had been dating before he started becoming a country music star and had let go in order to become a country music performer and he did the kind of ethical and responsible thing which is put his career on a little bit of a slower path in order to make sure that he had gotten his life right before he got his career right. So I didn't hear from the Sam Hunt People for quite a long time and then once they started trickling songs back out and it seemed very clear that the record was coming finally this year a bunch more phone calls and a bunch more setup and luckily was able to tie up loose end and delivered the story. Persistence pays off so this week on podcast. We're GONNA talk about Sam. Natalie wanders going to call in noted Sam onto file and we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA chat about Sam than in now and then in part two when talk about someone else who is a a rule bender of country music and that was Kenny Rogers. Kenny Rogers died a couple of weeks ago. And I was thinking about the ways in which Kenny did with country and pop in the late seventies through the mid eighty S. It's not that different from what Sam has been doing with country and hip hop over the last six or seven years. So Bill frisks more and it's going to call in from national talk to me about. Kenny Rogers like see but I you know if you WanNa talk about Sam Hunt. You know who is on the other line. Nataliya Weiner's is here Natalie. Hi John Yes it's true. It's big facts. Big facts and bigger drip. Natalie is here Natalie as a staff writer espy nation will. There are no sports. It's true and of course writes about music for billboard and other publications. Sam Hunt is a frequent conversational topic between myself Natalie and has been for a long time. He's just been looming though. Sadly you know we've been dealing with the ghost of Sam Hunt instead of the reality of Sam Hunt and finally finally for Franklin me more than most as someone that has been working. I'm praying on this story for three years. Four years really. So Sam's back you're writing about south side. Tell me about your initial vibes on it. And how does it fit in the hunt? Well based on the singles. I wasn't Super Super Jazz. Do you know that really stuck out to me as bangers not even body like a back road which I don't like disagree now and to be fair so you're talking about a back road you're talking about downtown's dead and also like I mean he really sitting with you right sooner? Anna drinking drinking too much although totally feel like a single thousand mix tape that was that was the Lucy and also yes. Yes and kin folks. Obviously which you know is the one. That's at radio right now. I believe none of them really had that lake thing where I'm like. Oh my gosh I'm GonNa need to listen to the song five hundred million times but hearing album altogether I was like Oh this makes a lot more sense. Kind of totally agree. Let me ask you a question that I asked Sam or maybe even that Sam asked me somewhere in between okay. Do you think that people who liked Sam on the first go round and by the first go round I mean kind of like the entirety of the twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen windows? Kinda coming out of the mix tape into the EP into the album. Like the whole that arc. Do you think those people are people who crave country music innovation or what he did was access a kind of country music listener that maybe had not been adequately served by everybody else who was in the genre but who already pre existing. I think definitely the latter I think just like his own origin story. Kind of speaks to that. You know that. He speaks candidly about how he grew up listening to like country. Music and rap music like in locker rooms as it were. Hashtag sports. That's actually like a thing that I've encountered ally just in my sports life. You know like getting to know people from the rural south who I might not otherwise interact with unlike. Yeah that's their life. You know I remember. I did this story at the Super Bowl and I was just asking. All the players like what their dream halftime show would be this one player. Who was like de l'est like member of the Patriots or something but he's from Alabama and he was like I would pick like NBA young boy in Luke Bryan. That was his show and so I was like. Wow See. Him Hunt Listener. Why how I don't remember if that was exactly but it was something along those lines honestly. If that was a tour I would be. I would be a dead on that tour. I know you just need to hang out in more football locker rooms clearly as I actually and I actually have another sports metaphor which is something that I thought about when I was when I was talking to Sam so to that point about making music for fans at already existed. Who had not been properly. I really was thinking about it. Anybody who knows me and let me know that I do not give mostly any kind of a rat's butt about sports but I do know this one thing and you as a sports writer can correct me if I am if I am not right. You throw the football where the receiver will be not to wear. The receiver is looking you. Okay I see okay okay. And and the Ecstasy EP and Mono- Vilo are where the fans were already moving. It was a natural direction if you were to arc out the direction of young interested country music listeners. That's where they were going out of. All he did was he hit the pocket. No he didn't hit the pocket. He's in the pocket. Also we're so close. Our you know. The quarterback stands in the pocket. He was in the pocket the receivers the fans. They're running the route. They're already out there. He knows where they're going. And he's just hitting them exactly right right between the numbers yes and that thank. You really really brought it home for to me so to me. That was the of reason like I. It's not that I don't think Sam Hunt as an innovator because I do but I don't think that that's his primary appeal and that's something that he and I spoke about a little bit about like the level of innovation that he has to continue to have or does or does not have to continue to have for the subsequent stages of his career. I think it was that there is this pre existing country music. Listeners are already attuned acclimated to this other pool of aesthetics and him being someone who is naturally fluent on both sides obviously can throw that backs in them. And frankly in a way that Florida Georgia line or loop bryner these other folks never did like. I went back to read a country rap profile kind of like seen peace maybe the month that the Ecstasy EP came out. So we're talking like twenty fourteen like early to mid twenty fourteen and that piece for the record was late. I remember I had been working on the previous year in at shelving for some reason or another so that pieces already late but all all that is to say all that stuff was already happening cruise the cruise remix near Lake Shelton. Luke Bryan even just in more like all. That stuff was already happening but it always felt false. It always felt pastiche and always felt sticky. And then come Sam Hunt and it was like this is cute that you guys are doing this. Let me tell you how this is really dumb. I totally agree. I think it's just like he managed to integrate elements of hip hop in a way and are in be just in a way that's really really subtle. Frankly and I think honestly it's like more obvious on south side than it was on Montebello. Yes it was a lot more intentional and like coherent the way he did it throughout the whole project. It's all underscored by Lake not a trap. Beat I'm not gonNA say that but the same kind of syncopation that you find in a trap beat. That's grounding almost the entire project yeah and like again these are. These are very conscious choices about. We're using drum machines even we're not. We're not using live drums. Like even that thing that to us is like a pretty nothing choice for people who listen across genre and who are are trained on op drums and pop music production choices but if you compare it to other national productions it's a qualifies as a little bit radical. Although you did mention are in be do. There is one song on South side that I do think is probably not going to get enough attention so we should probably play just a bit of it. It's called nothing lasts forever. And he's like probably yeah. It's a really good like salmon. I talked a lot about. R&b is a really really good are in Bisong. That is a country song a little nothing lasts forever so me feel sorry for me. Tell me your fears simply asked again on this record. I agree that's outside. You'll maybe a little bit more coherent but I also I do feel that. I'm hearing him playing to a bunch of different constituencies on this record. A couple of songs after nothing lasts forever is. That's all I'm breaking. Up was easy in the nineties and bring it was easy in the nineties. Seems like the smarter version of a song that maybe he would've written and then like Seoul to like. Yeah Standards Shea or that load off Luke Luke cones. You told me you know I I know I know it. You get more Charlie worsham. I don't know but you know what I mean has a light for to it but it's the songwriting users like at a higher clip. I think it's not so much that the album all is the same. I just think there's certain elements that go through the whole thing that make it make a little more sense than Montreal like Montebello like had these like Super Kinda like whimsical UPTEMPO. Things that really didn't have any of that like hip hop element to them and then other ones where it's like totally like out there like single for the summer Was just like he was definitely like playing in all these different areas whereas with southside. It's like like we were talking about the singles. Make more sense in the whole because like there's this thing not only the lake kind of the underlying syncopated pulse but also just the way that it's recorded as sort of a little casual you know like ever so slightly like rough around the edges in a way. That's really appealing in that ties. All the different sounds like the army like bluegrass one. Whatever you know that makes them all sound kind of coherent together and it's also like true to his process because he's not necessarily working in the same studios mostly national folks are working in. You know. Zack growl has a home studio back. A little setup there there's like not even like a blanket around the microphone section now obviously they clean it up a little bit after that but the kind of Rostov happens in a much more casual space. A lot of the national stuff does and I agree it. The thing that Sam does well is I think. Because of his range of influences his vocal approaches even on the more traditional material. Don't feel so crisp and like tied in like t's crossed and is Donald like they're like a touch of ambiguity in his delivery countries. Hostile to that sometimes. Yeah I think. So he's definitely a little more neutral but he's still got that slate. Twang to you know really like keep it in I in the country loop but we were gonNA talk about. Nothing lasts forever right. Oh yes going to get speak on it. You know that line like say it's something just don't say it's nothing because nothing lasts forever like what even do that. It's like Okay Sam. I'm already dead like stopped. I feel silly kind of reading Sam Lyrics because they make me. They make me like a sweaty like they're good. They're really good. They're smart. They're they're they're military precise. They're deployed so carefully. There's a hoskin the voice. Dafna them the emotional. Haft the structural crispness. It's just a lot you when he's when he's on his own like like holy what he is on. I mean honestly. I felt that way about twenty sixteen. I mean yeah no for sure. Oh my God I wait I need to. I need to some lurks. Also there's some lines in that one though where it's like if anybody else seen it. You're like lull. I'd take some girls out of my phone. Like Oh Crimea. River really means it. I know he. Of course you sound like he's means everything he's ever said. Let me read you in fact let me re as you quoted these lyrics in my piece. I put the whiskey back in the bottle. Put the smoke back in the joint. Look up at the sky and say okay. Okay Okay think you made your point. Oh Yeah it's like it's Emas Ema King Sam Hunt so good so when I went to Nashville to talk to him this most recent time I think it was the country radio we it. Has You know. Every label like has showcase where they parade everybody and unlike in other genres where like you could never get people to do one song at one. Pm for a bunch of Radio Programmers on a lineup with twenty other artists in country people show up and the stars and I saw Carrie underwood common like belt out a song in the middle of the day but Sam Hunt came and he did this saw and he did it like Super Strip down just ham and maybe one other star player. Maybe there were two. I can't remember but he did it. Super Shirt down. I had not heard it previously in I was blown away so blown away. It was so good and I am for minnows. Like Oh my God. Is he going to do like a traditional record legacy in a do like a track record and he had said that? Hit sort of alluded to that in the run-up you know 'cause obviously we've been waiting for this for five million years and unlike some of the interviews he would be like. Yeah I'm doing more of a traditional thing much to the Chagrin of a blog. I don't know if we're going to like say its name but if you know you know you know you know. I mean to me opening with that. Specific Song feels like a little bit of behaviors. Kind of thing right but like that's quite alright. That's quite a thing I do think that's right. I also there's there's two parts to this right one. Is I think that Sam is someone who is very cognizant of the conversation around him? I think he's been very careful to kind of calibrate output like almost like triangulate. It with the conversation you know like to know like where how am I being perceived how can I both lean into that in the positive stands but also push back against that in a productive way so I do agree like putting this song? I is very much like Oh you. Don't you all on about this life rally show up? Let me tell you what I'm really about. That's number one. The other thing is I think this song is very much a hard emotional reset. That's almost like a hidden handshake between him and his wife. I think it's like I'm GonNa make this the first song on the record. It's going to be like a table clearing song. It's going to be very obvious what it's about about the transition from my old life to my new life about the ways that I felt short and then it's going to free me up to then go back to being Sam Hunt in quotes. But I'm going to do this as kind of a table clear. That's how it feels to me. I did not get to speak to Hannah. Unfortunately for my piece I did ask and drinking too much which had come a long time ago and his last long on the record that to me is like the beginning of the secret handshake and then two thousand sixteen is like the end of the secret handshake. That's another thing that really really sets it apart from Montebello is like that album is like very beat fund flirtatious late. I'm hitting on all these women. Whatever like even like take your time is like ultimately like a Halloween Song. It's just like a very serious hollering song way. Let's listen to take your time. A let's let's everybody get a personal fan and put some cold air on yourself. Let's listen to a little bit of take your time. Just get. Let's get. Let's get this introduction to the song but whatever that's fine. It's an accurate attack. Here's some here's take your time. Notice Dawson pillow. Next thing you know try to be nice and some guys get into closed trying to pick you trying to get you own. And I'm sure won't you France about to come over here? She's supposed to save you from random guys to talk too much and want to stay on the same also and dance. Thank you so. It's like all these kind of hollering partying upbeat. Whatever songs and this album is mostly about like regret and yes even though it does have some upbeat songs like even the upbeat songs are about breakup. We should definitely say. Get you a man or a woman who will write songs about you. Like drinking too much and twenty sixteen. I am sure that it was difficult to convince Hannah to come back into his life when he was at the peak of his fame. I am sure V. Songs seemed like about as good an argument for. I'm going to be a mega famous country star and also can deliver emotionally resonant music. That pleases the love of my life. I'd add is a guy that can do both right. That's a real real way so it's very exciting but that said I think you're right when we were talking about the kind of interstitial singles that had come previously body like a back road especially by back down downs dead there. There is a kind of like neutrality to them right. There is a kind of swimming in place aspect to it back where it is just so like like just as far as what it talks about. It's like the most like kind of cringe like it's not actually offensive. But it's just kind of like they just makes me personally just gag a little bit and I'm not opposed to like fam- doing like sexy stuff like I love speakers so much like obsessed with that song but this is the body bag just feels so like I don't know I D- viscerally. I'm like no downtown's dead. I like more in the context of the album than I did on. Its own but it's definitely like an in-between song and Nada Standout Banger. So it's a little interesting to me that they were chosen to be put out there not to get too deep into the tick. Tock of the San piece came together but you know I had been working on the same piece in two thousand sixteen seventeen twenty sixteen trying to make it happen when it still seemed like that record was coming and then twenty seven teams when we did the first interviews so when when they went dark you know when they went. Obviously I'm SORTA by caddying Zayed's I was like. Oh no where's the story? The story is not happening but I started. You know looking more closely when he would post on instagram. And like every little trickle of information star take on all this extra meaning and I remember at that time thinking he is not worrying about putting music out and that was so clear because I would see you know. He posted this photo of him. I don't know if they were married yet. But his fiancee or his wife. Traveling in Israel or Vietnam or wherever they were. This man is not putting any songs out. But then there's like the responsible side of him. I think he was like well. We're going to go on tour this summer and we should probably have a new single. If we're going to go on tour. Those things felt like concessions. They did not feel like the bowl statements that I would ordinarily expect from him. The striking thing that I took away from the interviews was his low key anxiety or stress about old town road and kind of what happens when Sam Hunt. The innovator actually is taking a step back from innovation that was really striking to be because one of the things that he talked. Abou was you know. He had sessions with Charlie handsome. Whose dump some postmodern stop and Travis Scott Stop. He had sessions diplomats. Actually with murder beats trying to identify a path that could take the ideas of Monticello and really do something fully formed and him talking about Old Town road and be like damn they kind of hit on something then. Maybe I had not yet. He thought he was very earnest and the willing to be vulnerable about having made slightly more conservative choices in the last year as he was winning record together and wanting his next cycle to be the more experimental forward-looking period honestly. I feel like this record is more experimental than Montebello. You know like I think there are risks. That he took here that he he wasn't taking then and I almost like appreciate that. We don't have the like diplo produced tracks because diplo is putting out country tracks right now. You know there's that Morgan Rolling. I know I know I know the cam one was over the Morgan and I am a mortgage aficionado. Who can relate? I just even the mere mention I feel like I need an accenture at the mirror. Firing the diplomat record. You know what I mean like. I think this is better because it's like they're still doing cool stuff. That is pushing the envelope in a very Nashville way which is to say not all that much. But I don't know to me. It just seems like I like the statement that this record is making because this is bringing in like Banjo and fiddle and whatever all that stuff on top of these. It sounds really seamless. You don't hear the edges you know you don't hear the borders and also First of all I have to say it on podcast. 'cause I wrote it in the piece or listening to heart forget at the beginning and that when I first heard that immediately my brain said Yo brother where are now which I was really proud of. I did note that Google to make sure that no person had ever used that phrase before any other context and I think I think no one has pretty sure. I'm pretty sure that congratulations. You're welcome you're on your. That's the global. You not just as global you. What you just said reminds me of something that Sydney may who is unable president said which when she first said it's me I almost like didn't even it for me until I went back and listen to the record again after I had spoken with her where she was like. This is his most progressive record and also is most traditional record now to be fair. He only has two albums so it's not like we're talking about ten albums here but the idea that he is pushing at both sides in both directions at the same time. I think is very real and I think true to the kind of identity crisis of the last few years for Sam because I know I know we didn't really get into this piece but I know he's very curious about artists like surgical and people like that and he speed listens to a lot of blue grass and he's really fascinated about how he can absorb some of those approaches and aesthetics into what he does. So that's in Han. And that's what he's trying to do but also he is the number one most thoughtful forward thinking genre matchup guy in Nashville. So how do you do both at the same time any anxiety? He might have about Old Town road down road incredible song. Obviously like you're defining song but like we don't know that little nauseous is gonNA come back. It was one we know we know. Okay all right. I haven't seen convincing proof that like all our country. Music is going to change because of all nauseous. We know that we know that he's not gonna come through with anything. Oh I see yeah so I'm just saying like this is a better worse thing. But it's like this is a fully formed idea especially sure linking it just. I was just really impressed by the kind of detail oriented -ness of the way that it was all kind of crafted together which I didn't get from the singles. The singles felt so haphazard and then in the album. It's not like I do think the role of singles has been like. I said a little bit of like placeholder. Certainly the prior singles prior to Kim folks. It's almost like he's drawing like some kind of distribution curve and he's like inching his way towards the risky stuff. It's like I'm GonNa give you buy like a back road. Mcgivney downtown's dead. It's like it's like the most house party e of the songs in John's right right so that's like. I'm inching back to the Montreal stuff. It's a little bit better than that. But it's still not gonNA like offended like no one's going to push back on it then I'm GonNa give you hard to forget it starts with a Webb Pierce sample but then it turns into like a boom bap record. So it's I do matter which part of which part of same hunter into you're getting that and then you set up the rest of the record and the rest of the record let you say accomplishes. Both sounds both approaches. That Sam is of good at. I think I'm grateful that this record exists but I'm also like particularly excited because I think if he can take some of those ideas you know he could have. A BUBBA sparks deliverance on his hands. We did not talk about but he I think he could have a deliverance on hands. Which is you know to me. Probably like the defining hip hop record with country influence of of of of all time. Teach you you got. I'm excited to see that happen. I feel like I want to see that. I don't know if he'll go there. You know maybe you will. Maybe he won't you know I think it's kind of hard to say at this juncture. You talk about in your piece. Sort of how personal all the songwriting is purely. He's like a perfectionist. You know he was sure area percent so it's just like to see artists who are in that mold you know like. I think it can be like particularly. I don't know it's made me more unusual for them to take those super bowl leaps but I like this album ally and I think it works. Well now something. I didn't really get into the peace but I think speaks to what you just said. I was talking to him about though sessions that he had with other producers and also he was working with that Guy Brillant who has a my truck record. That's that's been doing pretty well. And bruins. Background is primarily in our in be songwriting. You know he's not worked in the country space at all and one of the things that Sam said I thought was really interesting was he was talking about the logistical challenges of working cross genre. You know he was like you know. Country Music sessions. They start at nine. They ended noon. They started one. They ended five. It's a very rigid system. And if you are working with your normal concert music folks you know Josh Osborne Shane McNally. The people were writing with. Sam that's where they're working there you know it's it's a it's a job. You're checking in checking out the people who make the kinds of records. I think SAM is interested. Try or just see if he can like extract something from do not working that way and Sam is molded by the country tradition even though his influences are very vast he's logistical. Framework is the country framework. And he's also trying to be that guy right straight to be married. I have kids and to of course and he also said that it's also tougher to have the freedom to make risky choices. Now that he is he was very transparent. Not Not all this into the peace but he was very transparent about this one of the things. I was really grateful for was he. Didn't sugarcoat it. He was just like I'm not that guy anymore is like you know me and my wife. We live together. And that's my wife and this is what we do and yes. Do I stay up sometimes? Learn bluegrass slicks and like trying to like. Do you know like absorbed music at one in the morning. Like record little notes to myself for for Ideas. Yes but basically he. Oh He's working a job and he's pretty straightforward about that but the logistical like what it would take if he was going to go in the studio with Charlie anthem or somebody like that for like two weeks to really try to like suss out idea. That's hard it's hard to carve out that time from the country perspective. It's hard to lock in that time from the perspective. And it's hard to get the hip hop informed producers to work on your schedule because that's just not what that ecosystem is like so that the logistical challenges. Or something he talks about it. And also his Producers Act talked about some of these potential outcomes a little bit tougher to get to. I feel like we need to talk about that. Ain't beautiful at coin new. I knew this was coming. All right. We'll go out on that a beautiful. Let's talk about it before we go out on it. Sam Hunt who I basically a door. I don't think that's news to anyone on this. Podcast ACCU has some drake tendencies is a person who I struggle a lot with. I do not struggle personally with drake and I also have drake tendencies so okay. Well you don't have that many drake tendencies because we're friends. So drake has specific way of being sexist. That's like really patronizing. Minute just drives me up a wall you know. Like a lot of music is sexist. But Drake's particular brand is like it's not something I can tolerate and Sam sometimes years a little a little close to that and we see on drinking too much sort of you know he's kind of in this like Imo. Confessional spoken Modina. That's that's very drake. Sam Hunt China's most straight record and but also like totally this song. That ain't beautiful is like extremely drake what he's like he's lamenting this woman. This woman who I can totally picture. It's a very vivid description and I'm not saying this woman doesn't exist but it's like this superficial woman who light does all this stuff and you know he's just like that ain't beautiful that ain't you that's response to this woman making decisions okay. Well who cares what you think is beautiful Sorry but also only I don't hate it completely but like from a philosophical perspective. It really upsets me but like the song itself is not terrible and I. I understand that it's like well intentioned so I will say like it's the only song on this album were. The lyrics are so brusque as to almost take you out of the moment. Because he's inhabiting. He's always happening a bit of a character but the character isn't so overtly tyskie as it is on this. Yeah that's true and when I heard the record for the first time top to bottom it kind of took me out a little bit because I was like i. It's like you're having to do the mental recalibration of like okay. Is this the same Sam that was on the previous song and if so why is this that Sam? Sound this way for the last seven songs but doesn't sound like that on this song. One thing that he told me is that he had a little bit of a concern about this writer and he was considering putting an extra verse on the end. That's sort of like kind of like softened it a little bit like kind of Lake brought it home a little bit but but ultimately decided that the tone of it was being consistent throughout was kind of a successful artistic choice so ended up not doing and I also think probably running out of time near the end of the near the end of the the cycle to get the record done but I think it was on his mind as well but it is I I agree. It does have a little bit of Drake tendency that you're talking about but I think the thing that was perhaps more jarring for me was hearing Sam. Han to is usually like lamenting his own failings or flirting or it's very rarely looking at a woman and saying you're doing this thing wrong ya you know what I mean. That's not point is also. It's just him crooning. You can split an admiral with a stranger in a bathroom stall at line is like he's like crooning. It so sweetly and it just cracks me. Yes that's fair. If what if what if he's the stranger maybe and also when he is like being treated like is really comfortable to you. I'm like okay. Wow All right you got me Sam. You got me like yes. Yes and also Sam cursing on this record. There's at least two curses on our country. Music thing There he and I think the jarring thing for me was hearing him kind of like testing potentially judging someone who ultimately the song is like I don't know if it's an affectionate song a song about someone. He feels warmly towards the path. To that was a little bit disruptive. Yes it's an interesting moment. Definitely an aberration from from the rest of the catalog. So let's go out with a little bit of the aberration. This is that aim beautiful. Natalie thank you so much for continuing to ride the same train of course thank you for having me Corona virus is still on and popping and very much happening. We are still doing remote recording. We're still doing verite BOP gas and stolen the crib. I'm still in the Home Office as promised I am I've turned around the shelves behind me in pull something off the shelf and we're GonNa talk about it for a minute So I just yanked a couple record down. The one that fell to the floor is actually a good one okay. So let's talk about the backpack rap of the of the mid to ninety s when I used to write about hip hop in the late nineties this when I lived in London and I would come back and I would run around to record labels and have meetings with folks. I spent a lot of time up at the Raucous Office. This is I talk about dragging yourself. This is the thing I did a lot to shout to. Shasta Black Sean. R I P Devon Rogerson so you spend a lot of time to drop is obviously one of the first. Promo lists that. I got on with him that where. I got stuff with regularity. I remember getting this record that I'm holding my hand and kind of not knowing what to make of it. But in retrospect it was a pretty savvy thing because I was living again and I know for everybody used playing the drinking game. I was living in London's I was exposed to a fair amount of German basis. Obvious go metal heads at the blue note on a lot of those clubs when I refer trace magazine so raucous had a sub label called. Rock Cuts K. U. T. S. and only lasted very long. But they did put out a pretty good drum bass remix of. Oh No ono was a song staff. Nate Dogg Fairmont. And they put out a twel that had two different. German bakery mixes of John was the producer knocked at John. Be The other John B so the record is pulled off the shelf. Ease the one with the smooth drumming based on one side and the heavyweight german-based mix on the other side so this is a great moment in Indie rap and jungle crossover history. Let's listen to a little bit of Ono heavyweight drum and bass mix bank. We got an old loch ness shifting. Directions WE ARE. GonNa talk in the second half of podcast this week about Kenny Rogers. Kenny Rogers passed away last month. At Eighty. One and Kenny was one of the signature. Pop COUNTRY CROSSOVER STARS. Really of all time. But certainly from the late seventies into the into the Nineties Bill Frist kicks. Warren is calling in from Nashville Bill. What's going on John? Sunny weather finally. Well that's that's one small positive in an otherwise traumatic time in American history of Bill. Wrote the obituary for Kenny Rogers. From The Times. He's been writing for writing obituaries of Country Music Stars that they prefer twenty years. Been writing about country music longer than that I'm very happy to have built here to kind of talk about Kenny's career. He's impact and how he had been perceived during his career and also I want to talk about how that changed over time out this retrospective look of him kind of evolved bill. There was a quote that was in your obituary from an old Kenny interview that I was struck by where he said something to the effect of the reason he chose his approach to country. Pop friendly gentle. Almost fatherly was not so much because he was reacting to other modes of country in terms of genre choice but more that he felt. He should do what he can do that. Nobody else could do. And he didn't feel that he could do a better. Johnny cash than Johnny Cash. Do a better waylon than wayland. But he could do this and he could do this better than anybody else was doing it. That really struck me. Tell me about that take. I was actually curious if that was something that he felt in. Nineteen seventy seven in one thousand nine hundred nineteen eighty-three or if it's something that you learn over the years when you look back on your choices based on your reading of Kenny's career what do you think I think it was looking back on his part and also his coming to terms with piece with being a musical omnivore. Someone like Glen Campbell. Who is at home in multiple genres and is engaged by them and just doesn't see to be dividing lines between the sport of expression in this one and now at the time. That Kenny was really arriving at his peak. So we want to say you know the late seventies into the early to mid eighties. How did Kenny relate to the center of Nashville? Because one thing that we know from writing about country music for years and years and years is that there is always a tug of war happening between people who ostensibly occupy the center of the genre even though that is always a trouble framing but there's always a tug of war between that and people who are doing something different or to the left or more pop focused or you know in the case of Sam on tour earlier in the more focused at the time was what Kennywood was doing perceived as radical or challenging or even disruptive. I don't think so. Think about folks like You Don Williams Crystal Gayle who were on the radio at the same time. You've got the outlaw stuff going on as well with Waylon and Willie and those folks but by the time Kenny hit it with Lucille and the gambler in the getting to be late. Seventies were inching toward urban cowboy. And so you know Mickey. Gilley was big. At this period. There was room. I think for the pop country in fact it you know it should grin someone like Charlie rich who famously lit his entertainer of the year card as that year on fire. I think he was supposed to say that. It'll be Newton. John had won entertainer of the year. Or maybe John. Denver ITEM IS THAT I don't. I don't actually know if I knew that. Yeah I mean Peter. Ground that documented really well in his in his book on Home Charlotte's not having it no well he'd had a lot as well so he's pretty new creative. And also you. You mentioned you know just crystal Gayle and it's it's interesting. I spent some time in the last couple of weeks thinking about the beginnings of my own engagement country especially coming from New York not growing up in it but I remember very vividly. Crystal Gayle was popular enough. That my mother and my father had crystal Gayle albums. I have like very clear. Memories of in their final collection like in addition to the opera records and the point is just to record and the sheik records. You know like sort of standard seventies soul on stuff. I have very vivid memories of Crystal Gayle records because her hair was so long. So stuck in my head all these years and I remember US listening to those records and that was really probably my entree into country music and not even knowing that. That's what it was but Kenny. Obviously coming at a very similar moment to that we also should probably at least just nod to kind of the country politics stuff from you know decades two decades earlier if it's not as if like the first genteel ballads earring coming out of. Nashville was done by Kenny. Rogers you're very right about the country. Politician paving the way in some ways for for Kenny Rogers and again Don Williams Crystal Gayle those records that people like Sammy Smith. And Tammy Wynette and George Jones were mayhem with people like billy. Sherrill recipes Cheryl Yeah. Yeah but there's definitely a kinship continuity between the counter. Palton sound that kind of has some roots in in southern Seoul music but in that kind of Bala deering that feature songs that are about adult concerns like making ends meet staying faithful. Yes aperture infidelity. We can listen to Kenny. Rogers hits all day long but we should probably just skip right to the money. And that's the gambler. You got home. No wind no win the wall. No Hunan cow when you sit at the table. There'll be timing when the you got a thing. That is very striking to me about the gambler. In retrospect is the way that that song spread and was marketed. Feels very modder. 'cause it's there's the gambler and then there's movies there's you know it becomes this kind of touchstone for all these other forms of cultural production in it. Had Real lagged talked about this. I think last week I think it was last week on gas but like during the first quarantine weekend when denies was doing his instagram live. Dj Sat and played a Kenny. Rogers tributes that when he played the gambler the comments went crazy. And this is in a fundamentally like an upset but everybody who was there knows. The gambler gambler was across genre hit. It was a cross platform. Hit it feels like I said it reminds me of kind of how songs aspire to be marketed. Now but back then it felt radical at a time. Did it seem to your recollection wasn't working harder. Was it spreading more quickly or more wildly than other kind of similar hits but today I think it was and I think a lot of it had to do with Kenny Rogers persona how easily it lent itself to various media. He could step into an acting role area. Naturally he really reminds me a lot of kind of the country. Stars of old when touring would include devotional number comedy type theme number something upbeat that maybe demonstrated some instrumental prowess and then some Bala- deering and in some ways. I think of a guy like Brad Paisley today putting all those things together being something of an inheritor of kenny rogers. Someone who isn't worried about what's going to be perceived as cool but what entertains and what he enjoys doing. Yeah that's interesting. The kind of the idea that the job of the singer really does extend past the song. It does extend entertaining. It's funny because we take for granted now but there are still some contemporary singers. Who just aren't that good at that. They're like good singers. Maybe they're good song interpreters or they're good dancers or even good vocalists and songwriters but the entertainment part of it isn't always their Kenny. Was someone who I think. Got that from the very jump. That seemed like that was always key to him. Tell me a little bit about how he's music evolved and grew throughout the post gambler period. Like into the early to mid eighties. He ever a parallel. They're kind of like Willie Nelson at that time to after stardust to just being able to sing whatever he will hunt. I'm really impressed to learn or was impressed to learn about preparing his obituary that BG's originally wrote islands in the Stream for Marvin Gaye. Oh my so that. That could translate so seamlessly. Apparently said no thanks. That could that could translate so seamlessly to Kenny Dolly. Doing what is just an exhilarating performance. That almost feels transgressive. It so so ecstatic. Yeah yeah and they're really. I mean I know it's maybe tried to say it but they're really in step with each other. Yeah not all do that. It sets a very very high bar for the texture of duet in my mind. We should probably listen to some of the harmony parts in islands in the Stream. Because man that I mean you know not to be an old person but they do not make them like this anymore. I mean this is just. This is just some nut stuff happening on here all right. Let's listen to a little bit islands. That is Matt. I also think like those of duets. Obviously much more in vogue at the time you come in and out of favour in pop over over over the decades but they were like very much invoke and I think part of the reason that Kenny was so good at them is he had this capacity to be incredibly vocally evocative. But not in any way overpowering. He's never trying to like stomp on us all. He's achieving a lot with really just a little bit of a little bit of movement kind of my gesture stuff more than anything in that really opens up space to to be able to sing with a partner absolutely and I think to his his roots in Gospel. Music are key here. The you know the call and Response. He said in interviews how he really wants. He learned what harmony vocals were really almost preferred that to singing the lead because it gave him an opportunity to be creative and to stretch it was also just an expression of the Gospel Call and Response. Talk a little bit about how Kenny Rogers. Success change the perception of country music in the mainstream in the nineteen eighties in some ways by the mid eighties. When Kenny might have been at his peak in terms of presence on the charts video touring movies in all mainstream country went kind of traditional with the neo traditional movement with Randy Travis and Dwight Yoakam and singers like that and although a lot of Kenny stuff has that somewhat of a traditional feel of of folk song kind of quality to it. I think that Nashville was turning a little bit away from where he had taken things by mid decade. I hadn't necessarily thought about that NEO traditional surge mid to late eighties. I was thinking more of the kind of comes after that. You Know Alan Jackson Brooks and Dunn. I was thinking of that as a reaction to Kenny. But you're right there. Is this kind of transition in between those two where the neo traditional music now is being made by those folks was so so grounded historically but to my years like a lot of it was still kind of Genteel. It didn't have that Braun and I always think of the Braun being the reaction to Kenny. By that you're right that that kind of grounded nece really is is part of the reaction that you see not rescuing but throwing a hook into country and trying to pull him back in another direction. It's interesting though how these things cycle around. You've got these folks who are seeking that grounded nece. Who probably are saying. What's Kenny Rogers? Doing with Sheena Easterner Kim Kearns or Gladys Knight or James Ingram. These aren't typical collaborators. And yet by the ninety s nationals putting out country in Seoul records that had Wino- winona judd singing with Sam Moore of Sam and Dave and those kind of pairings and so. I think one of the things. Kenny Rogers did was low. Things open such that anything could go. There was the there. Were the horses to drive it. Look there's so many jams that we go out with on encourage everybody first of all. We'RE NOT GONNA go out with lady but I do want to say that lady is so sterling. It's so good and it's also it's so stark. It could almost weirdly be like an off off Broadway one man show about desolation and dismal sadness. It's so intense. It's tactile level of intensity Sarabhai. Please Melissa Lady written by Rhino Ritchie recorded by Kenny but bill what's it Kinda slept on Kenny. Hit for us to go out with that. People might not be up on Kenny. And the first edition of You. Know Ruby. Don't take your love to town. I mean just the the Interpretive Range he demonstrates on that Inhabiting the agony of the Disabled veteran as he watches his. Who's also impotent? Who Watches his wife? Go Down town to meet men right and and kind of the murder. That's in his heart. It's just pretty breathtaking if you settle into also like just real good. Og Country Songs Story Song like the the depth of depth of emotion. But also the kind of intricacy of narrative that you don't see as much anymore especially once country not to the point tripartite songcraft of like it's three different versions on the same theme. You didn't really have these kind of intense story songs quite as frequently but this is this is gem. So let's definitely go out this it's Ruby. Don't take your love to town Kenny. Rogers First Edition Bill appreciate calling in thank you so much thanks John. I don't mean to interrupt you and bill but I do have a quick story to tell. Yeah Man. Y'All interrupt away. I gotTA Say Ruby. Don't take your love to town. The first editions on that is one of those songs that you just never forget a great song bad bad good bad bad absolutely a bad record. That was a song. My mom had a tendency when we were kids to ban us from listening to songs was one of the songs Wallace that was it was so macossa. For for some strange reason Omarosa manigault indeed are piano tobacco but That is just a great song. It really is and shouts to your mom for trying to delimit your cultural absorption child and we hear on podcast retold her. So this is as we go out. This for Pedro's mom. Thanks Natalie. Winer THANKS TO BILL FOR SIX Warren. Listen every podcast ever ny times dot com slash. Podcast get involved with the facebook group. Seek it out. It's jumping. I can't keep up with it. The podcast facebook listener group. Email me your favorite Secrets Amazon. Song or live performance podcast. Ny TIMES DOT COM. 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Hunt Clubs Creating New Traditions, A Wedding on Horseback, Fox Hunting for Sept 17, 2020

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Hunt Clubs Creating New Traditions, A Wedding on Horseback, Fox Hunting for Sept 17, 2020

"This is the Horse Radio Network. A four horses in the morning A. You're listening to the number one horse podcast in the world. Here's your entertaining look at the Horse World and the people in it. This is coast from Ocala Florida, and I am tear tibbets coming to you from not hot and Balmy any longer for worth. Texas and you're listening to the monthly. Fox ending episode of horses in the morning on the Horse Radio Network for a glorious September Seventeenth Two thousand and twenty. We're excited to get closer to the end of this year. Episode Twenty Five. Twenty. One Good Morning Horse World. This is our special fox-hunting episode we come to you the third Thursday of every month. So if you are a fox hunting aficionado looking to learn more about fox hunting and or maybe even just find a Fox hunt in your area be sure and check in with us on the third Thursday of every month, we love to have you. Do what you've been up to girls is it fox hunting time yet in? Woods. In Texas, is kind of a weird. We go from like summer to. Basically the start of fox hunting season pretty quickly although I will say the weather lately has been fairly delightful lows in the sixties highs in the eighties it's usually close to the nineties. Yeah. But. Most like Brazos Valley, cobbing doesn't it doesn't look like it's going to start until mid to late October just kind of obviously depending on whether and. I've been getting Simon My. Nearly perfect. six-year-old off the track thoroughbred getting him legged up because we actually will be going back to burwell. And the end of this month last year, it was a hound trials this year it's just kind of a hunt gathering, and so we're excited to go back and see all of our friends and we'll hunt think we hunt three days, and then there's one day of trail riding so that particular fixture. So posted by North Hills Hunt, which is Kinda SORTA based out of Omaha, area Nebraska and they. Not like a regular fixture for them, it's kind of a special destination. I. Think they go go there two or three times a season because. It's a ways away from even Omaha and ironically I didn't realize this last year when I it's much closer to my home town in Montana than it is to where I live in Texas. Oh. Wow. I told my mom when I visited in in June July was like y'all should just come down and see me when I'm in Burwell. But the footing there like if you're if you live in that neck of the woods and you're feeling like going to Fox hunt like there's always three flights, which is great. So you can do hilltop Second flight doesn't jump but they gallop and then I flight jumps and keep up with the. Huntsman. But. It's like somebody like turned the whole area of that state into the most perfect sandy arena to Fox hunt in. A. You could probably fuck sent your horse barefoot if it has decent feet because of putting. The. Soil the perfect amount of sand in it too. Yes. Oh Wow. It's not like boggy your sticky like even if it rains it, it's got really good drainage and it's kind of rolling. There's I don't remember there being any rocks when we were there last year. So it's and I think I think I talked about it last year the only time in my life I've ever ridden on a beach like a true sandy beach on water is in Nebraska. Wait a minute. How can you do that Nebraska hold on? I don't know the name of the lake that it's that we go trail riding by, but it's it's close to one of the fixtures where we hunt and it is eight is a full on Sandy beach and we were road on it last year it was it was fairly Chilean kind of breezy, but it looked more like if you look at the photographs, it looks like you're writing on a beach in. Washington or Oregon before the wildfires. But because it's everyone's wearing coats and windbreakers and whatnot, but it is I mean Sandy. Beautiful. We galloped it was amazing I went riding on the beach in Nebraska what's wrong with his statement? I. Live in Texas like I. Live Closer. You know I should be writing on the beach at Galveston or padre or something haven't done that. Yeah. Well, I I don't think there are a lot of places anymore where you're allowed to ride your horse on the beach. That's probably is in the united. States is. Because beachfront property, if there's an actual beach with actual sand is almost universally either commercialized, right protected, and you're not allowed to ride a horse on it because it's protected beach land at, they're trying to keep hoof prints off of so right it's kind of special when you get to ride on a beach of any sort even if it's a Lake Nebraska. It's I would say it's kind of. Burl from what I understand. It's kind of a hunters destination I think they have a lot of bird hunting that come in there but there's a lot of folks who have vacation homes in the area Kasit really while it's not like mountainous or whatever. It's a pretty beautiful area. So I, it's I. Always I'm I'm excited. I imagine is going to be a part of Iowa repertoire for many years. You're in this guy and it's part of your part of your yearly. Routine. So speaking of yearly routines. I have a quick question. Four territories. Have F- answers. You have answers. We talk a lot about hunting season and coming season off season. And Walking the puppy hounds and doing all these different things kid be kind of a thirty thousand foot view. Of the yearly cycle of a Hunt Club, how did things go start me out? In January, well, don't January because the fiscal year for club doesn't start at the beginning of the year. What would you consider the beginning of a New Year of your typical Hunt Club in the United States, and I actually can answer that easily because I've signed a couple of release forms for hunt season's for a couple of different hunts than where I'm going in the next month or two, and most of them are August one to August one So August is basically a beginning of the new year what is going on at a hunt club typically in that time of year the August time of year what's happening? So. It varies very, very slightly on geography and climate, but more or less. You've got a lot of you know summers can be kind of challenging. So to speak for hunts to keep members involved and engaged because they're not necessarily obviously going out and riding to hounds and hunting. So it's a lot of walking out the hands and working with puppies and fixing jumps where they hunt and Landau on our relations and a lot of them will do some more casual selectivity. It's more of a fellowship time in a building the foundation time so that when you get to the fall, which is when most hunt start doing, what what them Fha, our first, who is autumn So, autumn hunting is the beginning of. Mounted activities in earnest yes. Okay and after and additionally October time. Yes septet. Yeah. It's the very northern climates like you'll see the Canadian or depending if we have listeners in the far north area some of those hunts will start doing autumn hunting type activities and August just because. Some of those hunts will shut down entirely in the really cold months. So get case in Massachusetts when I was at Myopia, the Hawk fox-hunting Ernest was really in full full cry by September just because the end of the season was January first place is frozen solid. So you've got doggiest everything's keeping your you're building relationships with landowners, your repairing fences you're making sure the puppies are have been walked properly. Yes. So you'll you know they tell you to start like I started working on conditioning Simon. I think I gave myself eight weeks where she doesn't he I didn't like give them the summer off. We've been writing all summer but I started working on like endurance and the ability because he's going to need to go out and Burwell for two or three hours at a time so. An. August is when I start really getting him fit. and. Autumn hunting will start. Then you know some places September October the autumn hunting is really focused on. Many new members getting accustomed to the hunting or enter the the new young hounds so It's entering be you that that means that bringing the younger hounds or newhouse to the pack out and hunting them in such a fashion as to get them comfortable with their new job in their new Loewe cow. Right and their training and a lot of times though the huntsman will bring out a group of young hounds and then a group of very mature hounds. God to kind of. Teach. The youngsters because they hunt as a pack. So they'll generally follow the leaders and it is always interesting to watch if you're close enough To see the older kind of schooling the young hounds like never ceases to amaze me how the mature hounds teach the youngsters. It's just incredible to watch them. It really is. And I. You. Know if you episodes back, we had read a brown on nobody has done a better job with her books then with her and her books of. Giving a voice anthropomorphic anthropomorphized those hounds and I can't help. But when I'm around, I'm just kind of imagining what the older. So October. Fox Hunting is happening. When would you say that the? High season starts well, what in the fox hunting community? You might call formal season really gets rolling typically. Well. So just to go back, just a second, the one thing about autumn hunting and I think that a lot of our listeners like this is the question I see the most like in the in the auditors group on Fox centers on facebook. So autumn hunting is informal at. Ir So Brown boots, tweed coats, Tan Britches and colorful vast colorful shirts with stock ties. So it's a little more. Used to have a little fun with your outfit. Yeah. So especially in Great Britain, they really go to town. During informal season. Yeah and there are some be util tweet Kotok if you're a person who enjoys equestrian fashion. fox-hunting could be your sport. Don't let the guests let the the rules and regs of fox hunting that say you must wear a black Melton coat full you if you want to. If you want to enjoy equestrian fashion, go out early in the season during the informal part of the CIS and you can just have a all. I'm. And even if you're not a writer and you just want to go out and socialize, you'll see a lot of folks who were there like helping with the meal or doing you helping with the Stirrup Cup. Who are not writers they just want to come for the social aspect and they'll be wearing just stunning tweed coats and Mortis Adalah. because. It's cold enough that tweet. Definitely like here you're more likely to wear like linen coat, which is Kinda. Unless, they make a tweed pattern technical fabric. We're not going to be wearing it. Right, right. So most hunts have their opening, which opening is kind of the inauguration for formal hunt season and The vast majority of hunts that I'm I've been hunting with her that know about usually do their opening. The first or second weekend in November. and. That's always you know we've had a few guests on talk about like APP, from Belle Meade they've got a pretty pretty fancy opening hunt and it's a lot of pump and circumstance and horses mainzer braided and everyone's wearing their best attire and lot of tradition at a lot of different hunts that goes along with opening then. Generally the rest of the season and the weekends are almost always former hunting attire. But I know there are a lot of hunts who their weekday hints sometimes are what they call informal tire, which is when you can wear autumn hunting like tweet, your those types of yeah. Yeah and that usually goes through. February or March again, the the far northern climates are a little they. They quit a little bit John Wall yes and then also in the winter usually in January and February is when hunts have their hunt ball again, if you enjoy fashion yet s it doesn't get much better if. The Hunt Ball is the equestrian version of the Oscars. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Oh. Yeah it's And some I will say though there some hunts who I think we had. Nancy is master, as Colo, drone and they don't do it every year and they often times we'll do kind of. I don't WanNa say silly but more like costume type fun. Humble. They go for the theme thing they'll have yes. What do they call it m.? It's a costume ball, but they're very into theme ing. A formal ball every and I imagine across the country that'd be something fun to put out there into the podcast in universe. If you were hunt or hunt, you're associated with your friend is associated with does something really fun and interesting for their hunt ball we want to hear about it. Yeah definitely. Yeah. It because it it does make it. You know. A lot of people like fox hunting for the pomp and circumstance but I think that Fox hunts are evolving to A. Common date the the folks you know where they are so that they can stay fun and relevant and depending on the membership that they have and I think that's what's wonderful about fox hunting exactly there. Along about the New Year is when the hunt ball starts and then these the hunts I have been associated with over the years. There's often a short break right around that time where a week or two, there might not be hunting because oftentimes people who run those hunts or landowners are busy with holiday things or the footing, not the weather but the footy at become leading inappropriate for riding on because frozen icy ground regardless of the temperature is really not appropriate for riding on a lot. A lot of Fox hunts are much much more. Careful about that sort of thing than they were a generation or two ago it used to be just get on with it and if you fall off, you fall off. Nowadays if the footage if the ground underfoot is treacherous, it's likely that there will be no hunt. So you have your hunt ball maybe there's a break because of weather, and then what come what starts to happen come march or so. Usually most hunts will have a closing hunt and that it's somewhat similar with tradition and whatnot as opening but not quite as formal. A lot of hunts we give out awards or have some type of a special meal or whatnot, and that's usually like I said, kind of February March I don't think many go into April and so that's the conclusion of mounted hunt season and. Not, all hunts but definitely Browser Valley. That's kind of the highlight of the season for our mass are huntsman master is. Show season. then. So does closing. Yes. Okay. So the hound shows start usually well, though I, they started in April and. I don't I'm I'll probably miss a couple like I know there's there's one here in Texas that we put on. There's one in Kansas. There's one I believe in Florida there's one. There's one in Pennsylvania. I don't think there's any west coast hound shows, and then there's the culmination of kind of like the be all end all of hound shows in united. States is the Virginia Hound Show, which is always the Sunday of Memorial Day weekend. So that's the that's the championship of the season. So to speak, that's the one everybody you have to go to. Yes, and you know we've had guests and we've talked about the Virginia show. It's it's very much a gathering of beautiful hounds of course but also you know that's huntsman go and mingle with one another and they you know exchange hounds or talk about bloodline. There's a lot of business that goes on there. Really. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's it's it's I think maybe the Fox huntings version of the annual convention. PERCENT-. Yes Gary, and again that's something if you enjoy the canine species. I would recommend going to a good hound show sometimes because it's very, very different than a dog show that you would see from the AKC. Bright Nothing. Like that. Yeah and and I will say you know having we've hosted the southwest town. Sandy's hosted the Southwest Hound show for many years and I've acted as the show secretary quite a few times and. We always get pretty impressive judges in they're usually from Jordan, Hicks, who's with Middleburg I think in Giancarlo, who's a former huntsman at a maybe Keswick or Middleburg but we've had some really really wonderful huntsmen from different hunts come and act as our show judge and they always do we always do dinner on the Saturday evening before the Friday evening before the show on Sunday, and honestly that's been when I've learned some of the most I've ever learned about just hounds and hunting, and you know how that particular huntsman that John to Bochco has actually been here before how they lead their hounds and train their hounds and you know what their terrain is like and it's What you had a couple of seasons and you get more interested in the hound perspective because I feel like when you're first learning, you're just trying to figure out how to ride in the hundred John be appropriate. Yes. Yes and then as you get more knowledgeable about the hounds and that becomes more interesting I, think the house shows are really good opportunity to really learn about because it is like watching a pack of hounds. Hunt is the most. Beautiful thing. It really I think. It's a unique thing here in the United States because. So few of US UNLESS YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH Dogs that do. Working careers like herding dogs, hunting dogs, or scent hounds that track people like bloodhounds or something like that. Few of US get to watch dogs work. And the Fox Hound is is unique in the united. States. And that they work as a pack together. So yes, I can't recommend it enough take take it in if you can in person sometime. Put on your best fanciest country duds and go have a good time with it. So you've got. In the early spring and springtime, we've got hound show season. Are there other things going on behind the scenes at a Fox hunt during that time of year that that your average Joe wouldn't even notice going on. Absolutely so Obviously behind the scenes year round the masters are in very hunts have different. Numbers of Masters, most hunts I've I've been introduced you have usually three, but there's a lot of landowner relations and member relations, and they're always trying to grow the membership and all of those things. But you know they also events happening like paces and hundred paces are. I've actually never participated in one because there's really never been on close to me. That was a weekend I was available, but they kind of set basically a course and you can jumper not jump and you go and you ride this course and you want to get into the optimum time you don't want to. It's not a race it's not whoever goes around the fastest wins. It's whoever gets close to the optimum time winds and it's just a wonderful the and there's been a lot of hunter paces during corona just because it's a good way to get out and do stuff and be social without. Being in close quarters. have good time on their horses and help the Fox. Pay The dog food bill. To. To meet Fox hunters and to meet the people who do it and kind of get exposed without obviously without the hounds because I think the hounds are one of the more significant things that you have to get your horse accustomed to so. Again, very unique. So we've got springtime Fox Fox, hound shows hunter paces, or having some hot clubs. Also in addition to hunter paces will have called what are called hunter trials and hunter trials are basically old school show hunter shows the way they used to be in the nineteen forties is what it was down to. Kind of like a horse trials. It's more akin to a hundred show. Really. Okay. Yeah. They have class they have. It's it's it's organized very similar to a hunter show but the classes are all geared toward toward horses who hunt in the hunt field but that's the closest thing. So if you're someone who wants to. DIP THEIR PINKIE toe into fox hunting a hunter trials by be a fun thing to experience I if you're familiar with hunter jumper shows that's going to be. More familiar than any then one hundred pace or a Fox hunt would be. An interesting that's a There's just there's not. There's not a ton of those around Texas and I keep meaning to to get out a little bit more. But I I mean I think the closest ones for me would be maybe Oklahoma probably can't. Comment on the East Coast where I did most of the ending as a as a youth, there were a lot of hundred pages but also we had a lot of people who participated in fox hunting who were also hundred jumper riders it kind of went together. And It's nice for the organizers again because this is another thing they do for both building community and paying the dog food bill. Can put on a lot of classes. Have a lot of entries a relatively small space because it's run like a hunter show and if you've got. A Twenty Acre field, you've got enough room because you just basically need to make an arena area and an open jumping coursework can just be one hundred course basically in a field. I love it. Yeah. It's a lot of fun. So now we've got hundred paces and hunter trials going on when do things wind into the next phase during the season during the year The Start for the next ten season. Yes. So do the the hunter paces kind of go through the summer months when when riding whether still appropriate and that takes us back to August again. Obviously again, it goes back to climate, and so a lot of hunts that I'm in a ton of different facebook groups for different hunts really all over the country a lot of hunt spend the summer months de Lake. June. July mainly a little bit of August trail riding working with hounds. Different, deter you know depending on what level of involvement members tab with the hunt because that's the one thing is it is a year round sport for sure but people. With small children or whatever they might have summer camps and activities and whatnot, and they're not as available in the summertime, and so I think the summertime is kind of a it's a calmer like not everyone is really doing stuff in the summertime but most hunter trying to keep their members engaged in maybe you're having social activities or played a is there. We've always in the summertime done a couple trail rides and some played as and such just to kind of keep in touch with each other and then. You know come August September. Then things start kind of picking up and people are getting horses conditioned and you just Kinda, start the cycle over again at all. Well, there you go. There you have a year in the life of hawks running club todd absolutely. There we go. Well I think it's time for us to jump into our first guest. So I'm super excited I you know we we mentioned this facebook group pretty frequently and we had the founder of the group on the podcast episodes ago. But I saw a really fun post recently from our guest Jane and now Sloan. Who she and her husband recently got married on horseback and the post was in the Fox News on facebook group and so Jana. Let's start with. I believe y'all an intel us if it's you and your husband or just one of you who are involved with I believe Green Creek Hounds and then how this all came about. Both of us have been hunting with green. Creek. I've been hunting with them. This is my twenty second season. And And then I, met almost four years ago he had never been on a horse before started road whipping with my dad and after a few times of that he said I WANNA ride I? WanNa do this. So he has been hunting this is is this your third third and a half season? Yeah. So he learned to ride and started hunting right away got totally hooked and now he writes second flight. And it just went from there back not is really impressive. I. Gen, both spouses who are. Mine I would say maybe a little bit begrudgingly Horsey Jen's husband has opponent he drives. So he's a little bit more involved, but that's To go from zero to fox hunting is impressive. So Hey, hey. No he learned to ride and hunt with me at. Fifty Bucks Fifty Five Oh cool. And he's turning to jump now. I actually a friend and I went and visited we were at, we went to the world equestrian games at try on and I kind of I contacted a few folks I knew from the area from the. Fox. Teen World and got connected and we rode whipped with Don West with tryon, and then we rode web with Green Creek and I can't remember who we rode with terribly but it was years ago. But then we also were able to I rode a members worse one of the former masters horse and then my friend road one of your Huntsman's horse during a an autumn hunt. So I dearly love Green Creek and think it's a really fun hunt with some really fun folks. Yeah and both bj I Jeffries our master and an Dalton, and their spouses came with us to the campground in Virginia to get married And Paul Thought really funded we had Anwar stick. With intense horses out with with the horseback wedding I think this is so delightful. Well we decided we wanted to go camping and we heard about this really cool campground. Iron Mountain Horse Camp in Virginia which wasn't too bad a drive for us and it Kinda snowballed from there and several members brought their horses up and came with us and we just decided that'd be a fun time to get married because we could do it outdoors. with. People. And We just everybody camped out we brought food. We gotTA justice piece to come out and do it in the field and. The one nice thing was hunt horses they're so used to. Everything. That they were just like this is no big deal. And there was a total of fourteen of us. And it was just really easy and really fun and. Jackson Mike I didn't even mind having flowers all over his rains and thanks and Said okay. So. That was. This was not the first marriage for us. So we just wanted to to be simple and fun. And I think in. The horses were. Oh, they're perfect. They could not have been better although my horse did try to eat all the papers in the justice piece hand during the ceremony. He was sure there was treat sitting there. And he kept Louis no place but Yeah. We just had a great time like I say we had written. All. Over ten miles that morning beforehand to so they were a little tired which probably didn't help any I mean anyway. So Yeah they were they were perfect. Could not have been better behaved. And so the ceremony just just you and Paul were horseback, right? Yeah, we decided we talked about it and and I told everybody that'd be a lot of work for just a few minutes. Here, everybody gets packed up and. It was just a real brief ceremony, but it was what we wanted and and it was fun and we got some really nice pictures and then we had a barbecue afterwards. So. One. Yeah outside perfect weather and who's just really we couldn't ask for anything to be better was good. So you know. Well first of all, I will point out too and I think that you know highly recommend this to Albright's like you didn't do a big flow address you wore riding more like riding close which it will. and. She didn't flowing. Rich. Friend offer her sidesaddle and every and I said Oh. No I am not going here. No we wanted it to be safe. The weird thing was I think it's the first time in about thirty years. I got on a horse without a helmet. Very. Nervous about that. We did not have helmets on only for a few minutes. Because I'm I'm Oh we're both very hardcore about having helmets on, but I thought, okay, we're gonNA live dangerously for about twenty minutes. We're not. We did was walk. And tell us a little bit about your horses. they're both off the track thoroughbreds. That really. Yeah, and they are both nineteen years old. And we ended up with them through a friend of because Paul learned to ride on a little Missouri. Fox Trotter. and. When he outgrew her ability wise and and we moved her onto another junior foxhunter, she shared fifteen. And I'm. Six to socio. Listen. On her but she took good care of it. Was a great horse and he learned to ride in friend of ours. Knew we were looking for something for Paul to advance on in she had one that was looking to still stay in work. So we got Rosebud who is a boy And that's worse and he took right to fox hunting. He's awesome. He's really fun and he takes good? CARE. Paul most of the time. You. Know. And then my mayor. that. I've hunted for the last seventeen years had an injury and had to be laid off for about a year. She's twenty four now and going back to work. Because she's older, she's ready to go back. But in the meantime the same friend found Jackson for me and he wasn't inventor that was not being used anymore and he loves being in the hunt field in I lead second flight on him now, for Creek Wow. So you have these beautiful lovely horses and now you're you're happy newlyweds a complete. So what is the hunt season look like for y'all I know some hunter kind of making some changes to their plan to accommodate the as I call current apocalypse situation. So what what is your season look like? Well, we've we're going out. We do require mass the the whole time here there on just for you know to comply with with the safety things where if we do have any social things, we do them outside everybody brings their own everything. There's no stirrup cups before we start. Yeah no sharing flasks. Things like that. But on season is is starting off. Well, right now, we're just coming and going out we went out yesterday in the rain and the mud for a couple of quarters. You know we're just taking things as they come are masters or very good on staying on top of everything with our landowners and you know we're trying to just keep things going as best we can. Wonderful and and Paul who I know is in the background there. You're planning to start jumping and would be in second flight at Green Creek jumps is that correct? Sir. Flight is. Jumping Okay. I did I did go. First flight one time because I didn't think they were gonNA jump and because it was so money but they ended up jumping so I I got initiated into jumping the hard way. No No. No no I I, that day I made all the all the jumps luckily I had you know Rosebud. pretty darn good horse and he took care of me. Yes so He got initiated quickly into everything. Announced like. Yeah. My whole family is always had horses and ridden, and so once he started dating me, he didn't have a choice so. Right, for you took right to it and he was very athletic and just picked it up really fast. Especially, to come to you know kind of more mid mid later life like I'm absolutely beyond impressed. So it was so fun chatting with Y'all today and and getting to hear about and celebrate your special occasion. Thank you so much fun. In two, thousand, six, daily dose equine was founded by Janet Geyer when she was searching for better feed options for her own horses and couldn't find them today daily dose equines seven different feed and forage. Balanced formulas provide all types of horses with the quality nutrients they need but none of the fillers or additives they don't. Daily dose is made with non GMO ingredients you won't find any week Midlands or distillers grains daily dose equivalent formulas plus feeds our flame roasted to improve digest ability lower NFC's and eliminate mold back and other contaminants. You can learn more about daily dose equine at daily Dose Equine Dot Com and daily dose equine feeds and forge balancers are available nationwide through Chewy Dot Com. CEO The term of the month. So last week, we talked about the field master. So or last week last month we talked about the field master. So this time we're going to talk about what is the field? So the field is the term that is used to describe what constitutes all the person who were hunting on a certain day so And you'll hear different. Fields spoken about I field second field or sometimes they're called first flight second flight or he'll toppers but it's just. Everyone riding behind the huntsman going along for the hunt, and so I got my definition from Rilo spur hunt. Again, I think they've got a really wonderful terms website and they say that you you should be if you're in the field, you should be in control of your horse at all times. And if you experience any difficulties that require you to leave the field examples being your horse loses a shoe piece of tax breaks, your horses out of control or tired that you would advise a member of the field or preferably the field master who we talked about last time that you're going to lead the field and they'll usually give you directions. And when you're riding in the hunting field and this is As a girl woman who I think all of the report cards I ever got until I was getting as and BS and CS, and Ds on my report card. They all said talks too much. When you're in the hunting field, your ask be as quiet as possible so that you're not disturbing the field master, the huntsman. Who's listening to the hounds obviously and quite frankly the hound so because they're trained to listen to the Huntsman and the here you jabbering can be distracting. And at a check or a stop when the hounds loose santer it sometimes, if you're at a drag hunt, they have specific places marked for check, which is again a stop the field wafting engaging conversation, which it can make it a little bit distracting, but Hunts where at the checks, they'll have what's called a whippy wagon, which I'm a big fan of where they'll have refreshments. And snacks On longer hunting days really nice to when you've been out for a couple of hours at the checks, the whoopie wagon will bring refreshments. So you can kind of get revived and then when the the master of the Hudson decided to end the days meet and the Huntsman got there's the hounds the field follows in and follows the huntsman in the masters. So that is the field. that. Everybody's got a place in everybody in its place they were. All, right absolutely. All right. Okay. It's time for our next. Simon excited to have Angela Murray. MFA Master, and Huntsmen for Red Rock Hounds and Angela, is here to tell us. We're just a couple of weeks late, but I really wanted you to tell us all about your opening, and then because we're in the season of what I like to call current apocalypse, I know you've done some special planning in accommodations to to make the season success. Tell us about it we To modify, we were supposed to have a big fortieth anniversary celebration at the end of the season didn't get to have that decided to go ahead and have kicked off Labor Day weekend get people out hunting early, and it was a huge success. We had a great turnout about seventy five to eighteen people. We did we ended on Friday one hundred pages on Saturday followed by Kentucky Party, which was Super Fun that was running that weekend. And then Sunday. It again had our blessing of the hounds and open, and then Sunday night we stolen idea we have a wonderful thing here. Called art are pops on the river, which is the Reno Harmonic and they do a big dinner party on the Turkey River here, and we stole the concept from the. To give everybody a table. Let you buddy up here corona virus friends that you're already cooking and eating with, and then come up with a theme and a costume and make table up and whatnot turned out to be a great idea was very inexpensive for people to do, and we had a puppy auction and raised some good money for the house while we're it. So that seemed like a great success and it's been really fun talking to other mastered around the country about. Everybody thinking out of the box how people out hunting and still let people let's comfortable as they can at their level of comfort would tuition. Yeah. That's I. Mean Seventy Five to eighty people is pretty impressive for and. It was Kinda warm right like this is an earlier opening for you. The normal right is that it is really thought we my oldest do it on a long week and invite everybody it was pretty warm but we had two great days of hunting. So we got lucky there. And too good of you coyotes on both days. Super Fun weekend I think that we're going to have to just continue thinking out of the Bach in everything that we do for the next for the rest of the season at every hunt in every part of the country. Yeah. I mean and it's you know one of the advantages I think we have is horseback riders and specifically as Fox hunters is were outdoors and it's pretty easy to stay six feet away from someone considering how larger horses are still I. think that your ideas and I had some friends who came up for Your opening and I thought the. The dinner event where you had people kind of plan their own meal, bring your own food. I. Thought that was a really fun idea and people really seem to like it. We, we had more people say please don't ever have a hunt fall. We love that don't go to Huntsville. Let us go to that because they got to go. We had alice in Wonderland. We had an amazing competition of costumes food designed people went all out but I think they've felt real like. Safe Environment because they were only eating with people they've been eating with. It wasn't a buffet where eighty people eating out of the trough so. Much more comfortable way to handle it we are. Trying, to implement best practices with our breakfast is well, it's fairly difficult You can I mean unless you just eat sandwiches everyday, which is what we want to. It. I mean I think we're all just going to have to. Continue to brainstorming to continue to our biggest thing is we want everybody to operate at their own comfort level if you feel comfortable participating come if you only feel. Comfortable participating in the writing portion of it come into that and excuse yourself for breakfast. There's no. Pre he had no pressure to feel like, Oh, you didn't stay for breakfast. So now we're you're you know we're offended no one cares we just want everybody to come and enjoy what they feel. Is Okay for their circumstances at home or the personal circumstances with their own help. Yeah and and you're getting you know what? What is the reception you're getting from your members or the feedback you're getting from your members? We've had really really good response. We're we're pretty warm still we're very smokey right now pretty warm so that we are we're still hunting and Polo. So it's not like it's cold and we need to be in the clubhouse around the fire. You know I commend you for doing that and you know working hard to give members the opportunity to come out and go hunting and enjoy the sport that they love at the level to which they're. They're comfortable with being around other people and you know being one of the fun things about fox hunting and I think that. Regardless, to wherever you are in the country, you have that malleability be it weather or now with corona to really shift and kind of change your plan. Based on what people are comfortable with so I think that that's Awesome. What you're going to be your ball solution. What's? Your. I, don't know you're caller party solutions. It's going to be any sort of big gatherings. Can we modify? We're I mean we're looking at. Okay for Christmas already we have a big landowners. December. Okay. I. Think we're just GONNA rent a tent so that that way tax fan instead of okay. You're either in the clubroom which takes one hundred fifty people about five seconds to fill up or Or you're standing outside in the freezing cold. So I think we may have to incur some additional expenses. Hunt May masters have to step up. And we may have to forego some things being I don't you know we managed to do a role of end but I think just the you said it, you hit the nail on the head with Malleability, we have to be excellent. We have to be malleable and I think we just have to be grateful that we can get out there and share this great sport and that we're Kerry luck we can have so much public land it hasn't been impacted in fact, it's crazy busy 'cause that's one of the places that everybody can go play people ramping and and dirt bike riding and writing their side by side, and it's really fun to seal all out there. And I say this about you know I work in human resources professionally and I think that fox hunting is going to be one of those things. That I mean, there's a lot of stuff that I think a year from. Now I think that corona is going to have pushed people out of their comfort zone in a lot of ways that I think a lot of hunter going to modernize. Their their traditions and whatnot. May Make the sport more attractive to more people. So and red rocks been doing that for years so. Well that was a great conversation with Angela and I. You know this is not an easy time for Huntsman and masters to you know they're faced with a difficult situation of. Trying to appease their membership and provide good sport and entertainment to an extent, as well as acknowledging fears and the concerns that people have that are legitimate. We're GONNA late to Kovic. So I think what red rock is doing is fantastic and I am excited to follow along through the season and see how they you know. You know arm Elliott and change change things to accommodate people. So I love that they're being an she mentioned it several times they're not being judgmental if you're comfortable with it, that's great and we're worth in guidelines and you're comfortable if you're not that's fine we're not judging. Find something that you are comfortable with and. If you know and that that's great I love that the fox hunting community is in that whole concept of do what's comfortable for you and they do that all the time even when we're not having KOGEN. If you Louis, jump if you're not comfortable jumping don't. That's what I always say that too because I think people new to the sport who haven't been around it always a really kind of concerned about wearing the right outfit and the right tack and. Any five, ninety, five percent of the hunts out there just want you out there. They don't care about the nitty gritty details especially, the first few times you go, and so they're gonNA make it comfortable and accommodating and pleasurable and do everything they can to make sure you have a good time. So that's a good place to write it up a really big show that was a lot of fun I got I got here talking which I always like because. She's such a wealth of knowledge about fox hunting and a big. Thank you to the folks at daily dose equine for helping to bring this show too. You can find out more about daily dues, equines, non GMO, Horsfield's daily dose, equine Dot Com, and you can also find them online at Chewy DOT com. 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Wentworth Hunt, Fashion in the Hunt Field, Hunt Appointments, Fox Hunting for Oct. 15, 2020

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Wentworth Hunt, Fashion in the Hunt Field, Hunt Appointments, Fox Hunting for Oct. 15, 2020

"This. Is the Horse Radio. Network. A four horses in the morning A. You're listening to the number one horse podcast in the world. Here's your entertaining look at the Horse World and the people in it. I'm coach. Jen from Ocala Florida. And I M territory bits from Fort Worth Texas and our last ninety degree day of the year I. Hope and you're listening to the monthly Fox episode of horses in the morning on the Horse Radio Network for October Fifteenth episode. Twenty. Five forty good morning horse world. This deserves Special Fox ending episode, we come to you the third Thursday of every month. So please put it on your calendar. You check back and hear all the fun goings on in the hunting world and what's new and shaking and changing and being exciting and just keep up and we would love to have you join us in our fox hunting. That's right and coming up on this month episode we're. Going to be chatting with Rachel will caskey from Rachel's writing closet. If you are into fun interesting, beautiful things to where in the hunt field at the office or at your local hunter show, you're going to love that conversation and then we're going to be chatting with Maryland Mariano who is the joint master Fox sounds for Wentworth Hunt and what they've been up to in the crazy year that is twenty twenty. And speaking of crazy years what have you been up to since we last spoke to her. What have I been? So. How many dogs get? Zero so far I can say this because my husband doesn't listen to the PODCAST. It's probably GONNA. Change on Saturday all. and. It's all because. It was the two weeks ago three weeks ago I went. So last year I went to Burwell to the hound trials, and so that was a how trials with multiple different hunts. That had their hands and they were judged and we we talked about it on the podcast go back to October ish last year and you can check that out. But this year it was a hunt invitational so not hound trials. Group. But. We went. We hunted we we Did informal attire, which will talk about with Rachel. On Thursday we trail road on the beach, which I I love nothing more than posting beach. Alright. Pictures in Nebraska because my family's I was like you're you're where where? Is A bill a little bit mind blowing. and. It's supersonic there. So it's like a beautiful sandy beach and then we handed for a couple days then I came back to Texas and as always North Hills hunt is. Delightfully welcoming. We had an amazing time. Simon was a complete superstar. We went first flight all three days this time which. Was New last year we went second fight two days and we only did I like the last day and it's It's kind of a transition because Simon is he's six now. So He's I forget that he's still fairly. Young, but the first season he hunted, he was a whip horse. So we were out ourselves and he was also whip horse the second season we hunted, but we also did burwell, and wrote in the field and he was. Yellow Pepin a step. On the first day of hunting at Burwell. My new with me was saying he was bucking and I was like I mean he wasn't really bucking. It was more like a porpoise like nobody was going fall off. He was just a little exuberant But it was we I've been taking lessons with one hundred per trainer nearby. Hear me in the Fort. Worth. Area Fort Worth Dallas area, and just working on like getting the appropriate like kanter strides, takeoff spots, and whatnot and Simon. Really, really really did well and I think that's one of the things that. People think of the show world is being completely different than the fox hunting world and I I disagree I think that the things you learn at the Horse Show granted? Yes. Therefore the Hor- show, but it's really taught me a lot about having a good kanter and getting you know I don't Simon finds a distant I don't I I get him in a good candidate get a good spot to the fence and there was one particular coop we jumped when we were there that you jumped the coupe and it was twenty feet and it was a sheer drop off maybe thirty feet and it was a sheer drop off. So you had to jump the coup accurately and then turn a hard left, which could be kind of a difficult situation especially for a young horse being only six years old and he landing on your forehand, take an in going along like a freight train is not an option their. Dad and and he really he's not a super forward horse. anyways he's. He's pretty chill. But I mean, we we decided to try that coop. It was like a two nine I think coop and down a hill. So we trotted it and then obviously landed in canter stride took a strider to and turn left and handled it beautifully. Absolutely. Beautifully. But. It's just it's fun for me to do the show hunter thing and then take that out to the hunt field and see how all those things translate. Because at the end of the day, the show hunters are based in fox hunting. And even having not grown up with with the show hunter world having grown up a quarter horses I still I don't know I, just I. It's really fun to me and I I'm so fortunate to have this really neat horse who's been amazing to do this with 'cause. Simon could do a hundred class tomorrow just as easy as easy as he could go fox hunting. We've done that yet but have none. So I'M GONNA I'm GonNa, flip the tables a little bit. Yeah, you can take what some of the skills from the fox hunting field that you can take back to the show ring. I think the biggest thing you take back to the showing is confidence. I think. I think that people over think. The one thing that. I don't know if my trainer listens to this. is going to explode, but people place far too much emphasis in my opinion on the strides between fences and one hundred and one hundred course. You know if your horses shorter stride and it's SUPPO- finger quotes it's supposed to be a six stride. If you're does it better and it's more, it's easy for the horse to do it in a seven stride. I, don't understand why you wouldn't do it in a seven stride or if you have a horse with a monster stride, why wouldn't you do it in five strides? And I think fox hunting teaches you the confidence of getting to jump safely and nicely, which is ultimately what you're going for in a show hunter course. But you're right. You learn to have that innate feel and you learn to write a little bit more off of intuition. And you also something I found very useful in the hunt field is you really learn to think on your feet? Because that coop that you just talked about. If. You were out in fox hunting and unless you're super familiar with the territory as you approach a fence, you don't necessarily know what your landing into. Could be a turn could be something. Slick could be the Horse in front of you lands and Bucks the writer off you have to make a quick decision to turn right or left, and you learn to make quick decisions that are safe and sensible, and then just get on with the job rather than when you when you write in in arena situations in his show situations, it's easy to freeze up. What. Are the consequences? Well, you freeze up. You don't get a Gribben right you're embarrassed by your friends maybe right But in the highest field a few freeze up you're GONNA come unglued. Or somebody's. GonNa it. and. You have to the other thing I think the hunt field teaches you. In this kind of goes back to the show world you now the horses will have a twelve foot Kenner but. You, ride the Horse who's under you. Yes, and the horseshoes and Simon has been a very distinct. When I ride Simon at home. You would think he's a twenty nine year old quarter worse. He's so docile. He's so chill he acts like jumping to six jump home is like the most effort he's ever done in his entire life like. But. Then I you know I got to. Get Him to burwell and he's got like. He's got a fire starters in his butt and he's like he hawes up, Kayak? Let's go And I. I don't think he'd be that way to horse show necessarily. But then I you know I take him back and go to a lesson. You know which is a different barn different arena I think he acts a little more in between. You learn to ride the horse that's under you today because the Horse is under, you today can vary and. Yeah I I. It's I. Think. It's for me specifically, it's given me a tremendous amount of confidence because I'm not a perfectionist so to speak but when I then I show cocoa in the hunters, not Simon but when I show cocoa in one hundred dollars I, want to be honest with her and not cheat her and put her in bad situations but I, think riding incitement in the hunt field has given me the confidence to know what that is and what feels like. Yeah. Cool. Great stuff. So, our term of the month. This is a jumping off point that's going to it's going to lead into a couple additional terms of the month, but I think this is interesting because it lends itself very much towards. The conversation were I'm hoping we'll have later with Rachel about a tire, but the term of the month is hunt appointments. If you have shown. Like in the hunter jumper world for a long time there there used to be I've never seen them but I've heard about them there used to be hunt appointment classes. Tham. Yes and I think anymore it's still kind of is active for sidesaddle but hunt appointments are there hot crops? The Thong that's attached to the crop? And any other tack that's attached to the d ring of an English Hunt Saddle? Such as leather cases that are designed to carry central tools like some people might carry wire cutters or have some type of first aid or like for us because that hounds get overheated will carry cake like cake frosting and a tube so that we can give him some sugar. If they get a overdone you carry Sandwich kinser flasks inside of of of some of the sandwich cases, and we'll talk more about what the specific things are but I just. To know what a hunt appointment is is slack. It's the accessories that that you take with you on a hunt and it's important to know with hunt appointments that. Like the hunt crops specifically only certain people in the hunt field can carry the hunt crop and so it's not really you don't have to worry about it. If guest at hunt, you're not going to be carrying crop most likely unless you're a member of another hunt. But if you're just getting started I think it's interesting to learn about the crops and the thongs and the sandwich cases and all those fun things, and we'll talk more about those in later segments. So I. Think this is our jumping off point yet we. Thank on appointments. Yes his Jerry where they're made what they're made of what you put in a cool. Yes hypoc. Yes. I think and appointments is really fun. So that's it. Cool. Well, we're going to take a quick break here and we are going to hear from one of our fantastic sponsors because without them. This show doesn't happen and that's going to be daily dose equine. That's the challenge that scooter. Glenn Pony each morning and night every day. And we'll hear from them, and then when we come back, we're going to be speaking with Rachel will caskey from Rachel's writing closet. In two, thousand, six daily dose equine was founded by Janet Geyer when she was searching for better feed options for her own horses and couldn't find them today daily dose equines seven different feed and forage balanced formulas provide all types of horses with the quality nutrients they need but none of the fillers or additives they don't. Daily dose is made with non GMO ingredients. You won't find any week middling or distillers grains daily dose equivalent formulas plus feeds our flame roasted to improve digestibility lower NFC's and eliminate mold bacteria and other contaminants. You can learn more about daily dose equine at daily dose, equine DOT COM, and daily dose equine feeds and forge balancers are available nationwide through chewy dot. com. So I. was introduced to rate via facebook from my close friend. Marcella who? I don't know how many coats Marcella has bought from you but she's tagged me on a couple of posts in just noticed that you have your business. Rachel's riding closet and you resell or sell absolutely stunningly beautiful mostly at this point of the season autumn hunting coats, tweeds and whatnot. But I'm excited to be joined by Rachel Mukasey Rachel's riding closet, and I'm going to let Rachel introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about your your fox hunting life and experience, and then i WanNa talk all about close. One my name is Rachel Coffee. I Have Rachel's riding pause it. March national as in women Running entire primarily tweets I do a little bit of everything from former wear to you know the country. Attire, but I got into it because I absolutely love proper turn out and hunt field and I, love that we can all look at different whether that all year round and In Our tweed or you know in my early fall season have been putting those about five years old I grew upon. Pickering Hun. And then I, really the Family Cheshire Hunt. In Pennsylvania and then this year I also joined the second one Andrews's bridge. So when I'm not hunting I am getting ready to go hunting ragging my horses up riding etc I have been. Doing my boss to travel all over between the US on our hunt and you. Can some far up to twenty seven Oh really trying to out I got with than make some connections rollover and you know riding Really. been great for that Especially, Marcellin, I won't say how many coach she has got. Her and I have had some business together. So I know Marcello very well I know her address by heart now. That's awesome. So how did you get started with with the? Incorrect me I is it pre-owned or is it new or is it both? So. With everything. I really try to have something for everyone. And I get a lot of that is gently used I get some stuff that is very well loved and I get some stuff that has never been a horse You know. So I'm GONNA try and have every thing for every budget because not everyone wants if you're just getting started in Florida and each try. Or you don't know what size you are or you know you're you're looking for you know exactly what you want and you want to splurge I have a coat for everyone or at least I try to. I. You totally hit the nail on the head with that statement because. What I've only been hunting for eleven years or I think around eleven years and I think one of the most intimidating things in one of the questions I get asked absolutely the most by people who have never hunted and they would like to hunt the intimidation about what to wear. And I think that your business is a phenomenal job of like you said, you've got beautiful coats from a myriad of budgets and sizes and it's very accessible to a lot of different people. And you? That's really. Gold because I get a lot of people that. Will Send me a message, my page or through my personal Journey say, Hey, I've never hanukkah four. Will be appropriate Can I wear this at this point went to where this would I would wear this? Going here or doing this And one of the new members that join Cheshire I believe she joined Bosch Ear and then rejoining she hadn't really had a long experience with hunting or up before, and one can I wear this coat and it was super helpful for her to understand. Different rules and for meat kind of fun because. Sometimes like do those their rules and sometimes I don't but it's always fun to go investigate you know each hunch website or you see what I can find about what what they allow our don't. Hunt to have stricter or looser rules than others. And I bet you really kind of seeing the gamut of that having hunted with twenty seven different hunts I mean is do you feel like the? Irish or the abroad hunter stricter or or less strict than the American hunts or is it kind of across the board? So I think it really depends what I've noticed is that in the UK and Ireland they're using tweed for their show coach So the Taylor's are adding a little bit different flavor to the coats whether it got some elevate or a little bit different tailoring or. Different Buttons you. So it's GonNa be a little different as I see, the trend of you know when I think about like a traditional hairy hall coat. They're still very much over here that took seen as correct. But the tide is kind of changing because. To be to be fair, the coats that were you know a lot of us have had passed down to us and we found they're not going to survive forever. So we have to kind of expect some change in in the fashion that we're seeing in hunt world while still maintaining tradition but you're going to see a little more flair and I think that comes from Taylor's. Tweed? Show coach for the UK and I So do you see the flare I mean in more style or is it also showing up in color? I honestly I think it's goes you're going to see some boulder pattern. You'RE GONNA feed in both the coats and stock tides You see you know a bold aboard print stop time not. Matched up with a bold current jacket and. A lot of people make a fashion statement in the hunt field you know we're trying to blend in, but a lot of people WANNA stand out while they're doing it and I think you know we're seeing a move towards that a lot of. A lot of places are very traditional in front where it's only earth tone tweet allowed or you know no velvet collar or you know some even go as far to say Oh only thing unquote you can't double And it really depends and it depends on the. And? Geographically driven a little bit. I. Think some some places are trying a little bit harder to hold on to with they find traditional and I think is that works for your membership go for it if it doesn't then I think it's it's fine. As long as people are turned out well, and they're dressed appropriately and they feel good and they're enjoying themselves. Go for it make a statement hunt field feel good and what you wear. I that's Kinda music to my ears. Personally not a real loud dresser, but I like to wear something a little bit different and you know. During pharmacies then I'm one hundred percent like frock coats you know appropriate like. Tanner Kerry breaches whatever's appropriate for the hunt I think that that's You know as they say it every hunt I've ever gone to. It's you with respect to the land owner that you dress up a little bit for that but the. The informal days and and that is one thing is I know a Lotta Hunts most of the hunts around Texas where I live really only hunt on the weekends. So it's always formal but a lot of the hunts that go out three or four or five days a week we'll do form on the weekends and informal or what would be we would call autumn hunting or coming attire during the week, right? Yes. So actually to compare the two when I'm when Cheshire is. Until opening, meet, they are tweed on. Once you hit. formal season you can choose you can formal every day of the week or you can. You can wear tweed during the week and then formal on the weekend whereas entered spreads changes from. Once. They get or mostly season you're wearing formal all the time. They allow printed stock ties. During the week. and not just over a give and take to the CAN You know had some time to wash your sock tie in. You know right here and pretty lucky to be in fox hunting Michael in company I have probably ten months within two hours really Joel. Is I'm not going to. Recognize not. So it's pretty pretty nice when I can go travel and. Some some hunter within a half hour be toddler and you're GONNA see a big difference in rules regarding to when you can wear what one. So this and I kind of know the answer but I want I want listeners to hear the answer to this question because it comes up. You know I know you probably see Fox hunters on facebook and I see different groups that I'm in and you'll get the question with I was the secretary for Brazil hounds last year how do you know what to wear? I mean I think obviously you're GONNA IF YOU'RE GONNA go to your own hunt. You kind of know you have mine how ruled local? You may also masters. The go-to thing is off the masters. If you're visiting somewhere is appropriate. If you are worried about it you know you should try and follow their rules but a lot of Hans if you say, well, my only coming. I'm visiting Rubio Okay I. Wear this mostly they're going to they're going to be okay with it and. You're coming attire. Doesn't fit in with that. I am under the impression that I think for more is always appropriate even if it's Before formal season right along as you have everything to go with it, you know you're doing the block or maybe jacket and white tie you know and I think most hunter varying understanding that you. Not everyone has every kit and not everyone has. A jacket for every day or every occasion when Quite frankly it's it's expensive to outfit Yourself you know for everything. Even if you're just talking. especially. Yeah. Am I think We all have one or two jackets that we love that fit perfectly. But for it's, it's hard to find that jacket. It's it's a search high and low. Especially you know I can relate to that because it's hard for me to find jacket that you know without tailoring fit perfectly or you know or long enough that I like them or they're the right color pattern for my skin tone or you know I, it looks good with the Color Horse that I'm writing 'CAUSE I do like to plan my outfit Yeah and that's that's the fun thing about. As you get you know once you start hunting and you kind of get into it and start acquiring a hunting wardrobe, it's fun to start getting colors that complement you and your horse color and all that. But I always tell people to if you show hunters or if you do eventing, you know with between your. And your show jumping attire if you've got ten bridges a blocker, Abo. A white shirt, black helmet and black boots, you're probably going to be fine. you know for the most part as long as you're neat and tidy. And Hugh. Behavioral appropriately, no one's really going to say anything to you know. And and I I guess I. Understand the want to just correctly and. The landowners. But at the end of the day, we have cue work within our own budget. We have to find things. And when I'm on someone else. The bill. They have to. They have to understand you were making do with what you have. I, mean, you come out booking messy and like you. Are Not wearing a hand that or your hair your hair. It's blowing in the wind or whatever or your e look like you didn't even run a brush over your horse about something besides but if you have. The wrong. Tone of. Earth tone for hunt not. That's where I kind of see I can see where it gets Stronger people out. So I have to ask before we wrap. What is like dessert? Do you have a dream coat or a dream color pattern or something? You're just kind of always looking for and just Really WANNA have. Well I I am a fairly. Tall, tall the I'm long person for my height I would really love to find a frock three in my size I found. For very petite. Ladies and I just would really love to find one for myself I. Love. The darker tones for my skin tone and usually the horses that I'm writing So you know a dark, you know guard rich Brown with a big window Pane Mimi look a little bit of pink dot. Some head buttons I think that would probably be. maybe carried with a velvet collar and some you know the little valve it squares fell on the pocket. That would be my ideal coat. Deserving my own. When I will say so are so and I don't tell people this very often because every time I say someone's like, Oh, well, you make me blank and I won't make anyone anything. I will say I did make a tweet frockcoat. So have to send you pictures. I. Upper Greenish. Yes. Yes it is wildly and I think you did a fabulous job and that was my practice coach. So the next one will be better. I've gotten a bunch of fabric in the mail this week. But I I like you wanted tweed coat and that was. before we let. Rachel go explain what frock coat is a good idea. So fraught coat is. Essentially to picture I would say You. Think about your button halfway in the middle of your buttons. There's GonNa be a Waseem on on certain body types especially mind I think it makes a nicer shaped there a little longer they're just a little bit more fitted tailored usually may look look really sharp. They are correct for ladies and men I. Think they were originally designed for men. But. A lot of these have taken on the frock coat rather than just opposed to alcohol the regular jocket. Pink Jacket. FROCKCOAT has has what looks like a waistline in it if you look at the seams versus. Hunt coat there's no seen that goes around your waist. All the seams are vertical. So if you get your mind's eye. What that looks like and you're right it it creates a very different silhouette and a lot of dressage coats are using a frock style pattern and yes, they have that little waistband and there's an. Coats have different number of buttons than Hud Coats to, but we won't get into buttons today but I wanted to explain what frockcoat was because I thought. The difference between a frock. So if it's not a frockcoat, what do you call it? It's called a hunk. Okay. Didn't know what the official term is very. About head coach today. I. Base it or. You know I. It's kind of hard to describe because some people when they think hunt coat, they think. Franck you know. It depends on the person and I think. Incontinence. Compared to eight. Not like a dressage coats. Dot Nine Because the pattern I used for dressage go. Yeah. Yeah Yeah. Both of my most. Dressage coach that my mom made for me were frock patterns. Yeah. Yeah and I also say this blew my mind a little bit. Rachel you may be can weigh in here. Somebody posted on five hundred on facebook. There was some post about appropriate attire and they said that. Patent top booed or appropriate with a frockcoat for a member with colors but you shouldn't wear patent tops with a non frock coat and formal only and not not tweets which I didn't know that. Try Behind it. And I know it's kind of funny because I didn't that words in information I was. Either but it's kind of funny because. You are so many different circuits incrimination. Turn Out and you kind of can lock. It's media can look and between my coats and other individuals and other businesses probes. There's so many correct jackets on they're also different and I. think that's what makes. autumn hunting attire so much fun because for a little bit, you can all be a little bit different together. You know you had similarities and even as far as you know, what are you wearing a stock tie or wearing offered an acti- right You know it's it's a lot of fun and I really enjoy. Bringing joy to others whether that's through, you know a fun tweed or a very subtle tweed or you know a fun like tie or a bulk stock tie I, just really enjoy it. So if our listeners are peaked now and they're dying to get their hands on a beautiful autumn hunting coat or stock tight retie how did they find you? So I am on both facebook and instagram. It's Rachel's riding closet I try and you can give me a call or send me a direct message via facebook Can I if you have certain questions or you are looking for something specific or if you just want to browse my page might try and mark everything that's been sold sold as students I now as it's been paid for except Piton with. A few people if they don't have those I also you can send me a check for an item and particular, and then I can send it and I shook all over the lower forty eight My prices include shipping and insurance. Wonderful and I guarantee you want to check it you'll be addicted. So. This got me thinking about. Fashion and style and appropriate attire for both horse and rider different hunts it does vary. A bit. So it got better thinking because you you mentioned crops when we did our term of the month. Now the the I call it a whip because that's what I always call it maybe I'm wrong. That's the one that you carry. That has the Little Horn or fo- horn l-shaped handle, right Yes or it's would. Okay. So is that is the the short stick like section? Is that correctly the correct term for that is a crop and not a whip. The whip. Okay now I think I, think it's the hunt Web. Okay. That's the hot whip and then the long piece of leather that's braided that you attached to it is the Thong Thong and then the and the little the little snappy bid on the end is the. Lash. Yes. Okay So got me, I'm not an expert here. But I think that's right. dot me to thinking and your experience. When one Fox hunts and is just a member of the field and not necessarily a member of the hunt regardless of how much experience you do or do not have in the hunt field. It was when I was hunting as a youth, it was always appropriate that you had to carry a crop. What you might think of today as a traditional crop that you would carry in the show hunter ring is that still the case? You I have hardly seen people do that people do that I think if they feel like they need it interesting for. A. Thinking back to like being burwell a couple of weeks ago I know a couple writers had crops. And I think it was more like you know either for confidence to getting over the jumps or you know I didn't feel like it was like part of like their hunt. Kit for appropriate attire. I think they carried it 'cause they. Needed it so does meeker thought they might need interesting. They make a really excellent back scratcher just saying. I agree. Yeah and they're also handy for shoving things like gates. I always carried one because it was a useful tool. Yes. Yeah Pani things. That's interesting. So the At least back in the day. And when you see occasionally people nobody uses a wrist loop on the riding crop anymore that that's completely out of fashion. You just drop it give your trainer even even in the show ring 'cause it used to be always had this loop so that if you let go wouldn't fall out of your hand and then it got to be oh well, you can't use the resolute because it's not safe but even in the show ring, you don't see folks using a wrist loop monocropping view. Not Really I I will say I kinda like him. But I would say I pretty much only use it at home not that I hardly ever carry your crop quite frankly except Simon refuses to side pass up to gate. So that's something we're working on and I need a third leg. So it serves as my third leg for that. Well, that's what therefore anyway isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Thermal interesting. So in show hunters where you ride cocoa. Guess. Everybody's still carries a crop over fences. I don't. You just you're just the rebel aren't you? I don't, and then I will I be really. Honest and say a lot of what I've learned from Jamie and the Monty Roberts preference method. I if I need a crop to get my horse over a jump, it's my fault not their fault. And so I, just I don't. Like. Is this weird `Nigma and that I don't think anyone on the planet of than me has lessened every weekend where their trainer says, no leg no leg no lag. I love it. I. Love it so. He doesn't need a crop. Do you still see your fellow competitors carrying them generally? Yes. Yes. because. For for my point of view at least it was a style thing in that. That was just part of what you use different than wearing black gloves. You were black clubs because that what you are not necessarily because it was being used as a crop you right you make a valid point why am I carrying it if I'm not using it as a crop? Perfectly. Interesting so. Fly whisks does anybody carry a fly whisk? I haven't seen in them in the hunt field, but I have a lot of friends who have them who use them troll writing And I don't know if that's a geography thing. because I've really only hunted like in the Midwest and the West I haven't hunted east at all yet. Well, I've hunted in the Carolinas and nobody had them there but I think they're correct they're not. And I think they're a good idea quite frankly again, a very, very useful tool. Yes We're going to have to I'll have to write this down a note somewhere to ask some of the various incendiary. Hunt staff that we have on the different shows. What their thoughts are because it's I'm curious about if it varies regionally. What what is considered appropriate fashionable popular. As far as putting in your hand. Right you know. Most common thing I see is, is hunt whip with. Few people on her will had the hunt whip with no Thong on it just the whip and. which that's when you're carrying just the web with the L. Coronary the l-shaped alcorn on the end like the tool that's a tool to open gates. That's a tool to pick stuff up and the lash part you use. You can use it for picking logs up and stuff like that but the the lash is. To get hands from out from under your horse's legs or something like that. Gotcha, and my understanding is only members can members with colors can carry the hunt whip with lash. Really. Yes I naughty me. I used to carry one old time. No, I was neither a member. But I think if theories. I think it varies by hunt. And I just. because. I'll I'll. I'll see somebody post on everything in my life I swear back Fox centers on facebook but I'll see somebody posts something there and I'll see the hunt and not really recognized the name of it and go back and look at that hunts website and read read their attire and equipment and whatnot what what their rules are and that's where I've seen that sometimes the only members can carry a whip but like Yeah I'm going to look that up to, but I think part of the hunt whip staying is. Educated to carry the thing well, precisely because it's a big long chunk of stuff and it's carried what I would call upside down in that. The top of it, the little L. shape points down towards your knee. And the lash parts sticks up in the air. So you couldn't use it in the modern way as crop to tap the Horse on the shoulder even if you want to. Write it's just not made for that. Very interesting stuff. So now we're going to continue this whole. Crop whip fly whisk discussion. Forward it's I. Agree. Yeah. Cool. Well, now that we've waxed poetic about. Crops. Whip ship fly whisks. We're going to wax poetic a bit about total saddle fits. stability stirrup leathers a great item to have an everyone's kit regardless of what discipline you ride in. So we're going to hear a little bit totals Donaldson, and then when we come back, we're going to be hearing from Maryland Marietto from Wentworth Hunt. Talk about the total saddle fit stability. There's did you get yourself a pair of these yet? I haven't, but I've been reading a LOT ON A. Couple of the groups like the podcast Amateur Lounge that I'm in a couple of people I I. Really Think I need to get them get them for my hunt. Saddle I think all Fox hunters need to know about the total saddle fit stability stirrup leathers. They have a wide body design which means the part of the leather that is closest to your leg is wider. than the part of the leather closest to the saddle, which means it's more stable, but it's also smoother. 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We are based of New Hampshire New Hampshire couple fixtures in Maine as well but we're based in New Hampshire around during the Hampshire. Okay I'm. So I grew up in Montana and I live in Texas and. I you know take for granted how close the states up there are. So I think it's neat how you can kind of get around and go hunting to multiple states in the amount of time, it takes me to like get to two counties. Right, we have members in three states really. So we have a lot of numbers in New Hampshire both are. Hampshire. But we have a big contingency that live in Maine and a couple that live in Massachusetts. So that's fun. Yeah We kind of it's not really a theme, but it's just something I wanted to do through this I call Kern apocalypse. Talk to different different leaders at different Hans about things that are changing or that you're doing differently and just kind of how co has has changed your hunt season. But before we get into that, I just wanted to get a little bit of background about you know if you tell us a little bit about Wentworth and how long you've been hunting and how long you've been a master and all that fun stuff. Okay. Yeah. So what we're hunt club has been around since the early seventies I don't I don't recall the exact date early seventies and our kennels are in the cassette in New Hampshire I-? Oh, we have about this year we have about seventy some. Members. And That's actually up a bit from Kobe, which I got into. Later we have more unusual but normally we have somewhere around fifty riding members. diverse group of people from. Maine New Hampshire and Massachusetts I have been hunting with my eleventh year. I've been up one of the Joint Masters This is my fourth year as a join us. That's a pretty quick transition into being a master. You must. You must be good at something. Well I think I'm good at leadership in organizing people more than I'm a I'm not a professional horseman writer but I I try hard and I have a good horse and I I moved my way up and started leading fields and then I was the secretary of the club for a while and I think I'm just a good sort of organizer of people so So that's how I when I think that's An opportunity I got I got moved into that and I've I've I'm really enjoying it. We have a great group of people and Create Horses and hounds, and we just have a great time together. And we tend to work out whatever the differences are we as a team we all work really well together so In that sense. So important with fox hunting, I think it I've only been hunting about the same amount of time that you have and you know you hear the stories of older hunts. In the more East Coast Virginia Maryland area and they they sound like they were a little bit more like a dictatorship and I think the modern Hans Anymore. I. Think it's really important to maintain membership into get new interest. It's it's very much. You have to have leadership who pays attention to the people and whatnot. So I think that's cool but. It's a perfect segue into. So have you been doing a lot of the you're doing it with group but kind of leading the charge with the changes you hunts made because of covid. Yes. So we it's taken a lot more effort from a lot of people to make it all work out with code One of the reasons for us as because we're in three states, every state has different rules about crossing state lines. And early on, it was like I live in Maine they're very strict left the state I'd have to quarantine for two weeks coming home. And Wow I. SO in other words if I went to visit our Kennels or or go hunting or do any of our activities, basically, I'd have to quarantine for two weeks. So that was. A big? Thing to conquer and and luckily, by the time, we got into our activities and sitting there hunt pizza those structures had been lifted with the New Hampshire. So that was like we could go to New Hampshire with now no repercussions. So everything's been kind of as as you know, everything's fluid changing the week week or every day even so we're just keeping up on what all the different rules that we have to follow are just doing our best to comply, and one of the main things that we've changed is We we started our hunting season on mid August go until about Thanksgiving is our season. And be sure doing only online payments are hunts are are fueled. Secretary doesn't exchange any paperwork or money or anything with people come, and she's wearing a mask and she stays descendant. She doesn't want to be picking. You know having any physical contact with paperwork and things like that. So we have everything is online ability forms are memberships start capping paid. Even donations that people want to go nation it's all on We're doing it all on our website And I might using square. So that's worked out. Really Great. but it was a bit. Some people really liked that change. Yeah and so it's funny because we thought Oh not everyone will want to do that. That's going to be hard. as you know, just in life, most of the younger people have no problem pay with then mo or whatever and. Problem All. Right. Yeah, exactly. So it's it's it was interesting But it's it's really interesting how even so every member has ended up coming around and saying, Oh that's fine. I do that and they're doing it they're going online pay. Signing the relief forums and It's really worked out workout well. The other things we're doing different at hunts is anytime we're on mountain were wearing masks. And certainly when you're mounted and hunting, you're physically. Socially distanced. and it seems like a very safe thing to do. So we're we're exist going ahead with our season and then going great and we've been getting like, I said great turnouts. A lot of people who were more adult horse shows and or other activities a lot of those activities were canceled. This year for Cogan. So that's why I think our membership is up. We're one of the few birth. At, that's on and. Going out and and we're not standing around showgrounds together and waiting for regular outright and. So I think we're attracting different. You know a little bit of a different crowd than our normal crowd and and just the people are really liking it. So we're just hoping when this end. Whenever that is that those people continue to come back. Yeah we had a guest on I. Think it was last month or the month before who had bene-. Foxhunter for. She was younger but she had Fox on it for a while but she had a show that all should ever done with show it and she has started fox hunting that horse because like you said the and she's up and I kind of your area in the northeast. And I think it's just delightful and I think it's you know it's pushing people to try try new things and I think that it's a fantastic opportunity for Hans to attract New People and even if it's you get someone who caps a few times in a season and then you know maybe next year they join or something like that but I think folks hope. Clear. Finding just huntings not as intimidating as people WANNA think it might be. Right. It's that thing where if you can get them to come out once and try it oftentimes they're sold and they'll just keep coming back. But that first time is scary I remember my parents coming out and I was doing some event thing and. You know whatever trail riding lessons, other things and I always wanted to hundred. So frightening to me or whatever. It's hard it's hard to go do it the first time yes and same with me. I went out. That was like well, this is what I wanted to. Why would I do this the black? When I was telling you. Go ahead. No go ahead. I always tell people that fox hunting is. It's like a horror show like you get kind the pomp and circumstance of Hor show but you can have adult beverages and you get to go fast and nobody judges you and tells you what you did. Right I mean people my. Unsolicited advice or whatnot, but it's just like you just go out and have fun and you get the cool outfitter. Everything from showing, but you don't have the stress of it. Exactly, you probably not going to change the wrong brand of breaches. Exactly right. Right, and so many of US urm. Questions are very perfectionist so Doing horse shows and it all comes. Down to doing everything perfectly if you're going to be competitive and there's so much pressure to do that and so what so much fun about hunting you come out and you do your best and. you're the only one really judging yourself and yeah, you need to be safe and you need to be in the right place in the field but there's a place for net. I wouldn't say everyone but in general most people if they want to, we'll find. The speed they WANNA go the the field they WANNA ride in and make it work so and I've found from my saw. I show hunters and I grew up like riding western Montana. So I have a weird background but with with the showing the hunters and then going on the fox hunting field, I find like. The things that you're told to do in the show ring and I think this would be true for Jumpers and eventing But the things that you're told to do you know do to find distances and whatnot when you're out in the hunt field, kind of makes sense and everything comes together. So you're not penalized if if you if you chip a little bit or take a long spy as long as you get over the jump safely, you're fine. Exactly. And you can at the end of the day, you might say, wow, I have written that that that a little better but hey. We made it we. You know every it all worked out. So it's it's good. Yeah. So was your season cut short by covert or or at that time I'm guessing it's pretty stinking cold up there in March, and so there's probably not a lot happening. Yeah. So our season is always we always end right around Thanksgiving it's funny. 'cause almost every year we have what we call a die hard hunt the latte Saturday after thanksgiving? And And we always say, Oh, we'll keep going weather permitting whether almost never. The Ground Caesar's he added even if it's a funny pretty day, but with the ground frozen and slack and it just becomes. we we really don't go. We have gone maybe into the first week of December before but pretty much we're done at Thanksgiving time. What we do is in the spring, we start roading we go out In. May. And June, we just got twice a week and we Britain pound. So we don't line or anything. It's just a quiet trail ride basically behind the hounds just to get back out and working together and It's a great time for green horses or you know new riders to come out and just see what it's like to be out around the house whether it's not so exciting. So we did that for a couple of months in the spring. Ear because of the Kovin. Situation yet well. We ended up. We thought that was what was going to happen. We ended up pushing it out just a little bit. I think we did We started it. We did June July that may June. Because by the time June rolled around lifted the we could have up to fifty people I believe at an outdoors are good and rotating. Yeah I wrote Him we usually get maybe twenty five people out. It's not a huge. Crowd that comes that I thought it was really nice at that time to be able to get out and do something with your horse even if it. And see other people and yes all that good stuff that was very good. and then the other interesting thing for us is. Our big fundraisers are hundred paces. Yeah. We've always done three a year and we were really concerned about Whether or not we'd be able to have any and we we wanted to. We don't want everybody hanging out in the parking lot altogether. And all that. So what we did was they people for one hundred paces this year they had to sign up online and do all the things I talked about already with the payments being online and the liability mine, and then we would give them a ride time and we had them all based five minutes apart or whatever we do pay something like that. And we sold out all three of our hundred pay state, which we've never done. Awesome We had like a hundred and fifty riders I think at the first one and. One hundred and it was all depending on how much parking we had these different territories that. On so max it out normally people don't sign up in advance for hundred paces. There was only like a five dollar difference between paying when you show up or back up in advance. So everybody would wait and watch the weather and if it happens to rain. Or rain hard. You end up with almost no rider than. For the forgot really well, and we we were lucky in that All three had really good weather days and people had a fantastic time But. It really took the guesswork out for us being able to collect you know who's coming and went and collect all the money upfront and to really have successful fundraiser. That was really fantastic. So. Signing up there. I. Yeah. Be Curious to hear how it goes next year I just I just like the you know the moving forms and payments to online I. Just I hope it streamline thing streamlines things and makes it better and increases interest in participation and the one other thing I wanna talk to you before we were not a time as you had your opening October, third right. Yes, your blessing and and different hunts do different things and have different traditions but I feel like the hunts that I've I've been to for openings and and talk to masters and whatnot for the podcast that it's usually a you know it's a big social event. There's lots of they come, and then a lot of hunts will have a big meal afterwards. Did you have to do a lot of adjusting and changing for your opening? Yes. So that is the one thing that we really changed a lot so far normal hunts we do a social distance, we call it t but. It's lunch afterwards. And and so people bring their own food and they bring their own share and we make a big circle and we're social distance with our chairs by succeed. So we we still have our little time afterwards. But I think safe way and I ain't for the blessing we wanted it to be special so we did A. a tailgate tea afterwards, and we allowed people to have like small groups like people maybe that they're already carpooling with or family members or whatever their groups and so we had probably. Fifteen different tailgate setups and we made it a contests with prizes. Everybody wanted their you know their section to look really special and have been tailgate. We were able to do that social thing afterwards and we were supposed to wear masks when not At our own tailgate right we'll say we felt like we lost a little control with it and it wasn't as. I think everyone was safe but it wasn't as distance as we had planned on and I think we weren't as clear with instructions as we should have been now looking back on it. So I'm not sure if that's something I would do again. Interesting headed to how many people did you have? We had what we had forty eight riders and we yeah, we had a lot of spectators we probably had. Thirty spectators. Yeah. I mean. Seventy five people it's hard. It's hard. Yeah or if people too. It's it's too. Small of a group to like I dunno know treat it like a large group, but it's too big of a group to you word of mouth like you know keep your distance. Right, in the middle and I was trying to figure out how to make it come together. It was like, I it's like hurting cats they're all. And most of Muslim did have masks on and we're trying to be fairly distance when you're eating and drinking. Rolling. Your mask down or it just wasn't quite an controlled as I would've liked that that. you know we've learned for the next time, and then this past weekend we had a joins me. Now the Norfolk came up and So one of our newer fixtures in Dane and we we had a great time to tippy two people riding and and we were we did a little better job. I think food we got actually premade rap sandwiches from camera. So you're not eating something that somebody else made right we just had them out on cable, and then we have the chairs like we do for normal fees now and they were you know five feet apart and people i. Think we got a nice social time and that was very well distal and that sort of thing. So. Good why you know I think we're we're so lucky to have this hobby that really lends itself towards you know being socially distant. We're not on top of each other and like you know having close contact like soccer players or something or people sitting in a bar. Right. So, we usually have a hunt ball. Here, we're doing it virtual. We're going to do it virtually. we were trying to figure out 'cause it's when we get. It's how we give out our year end awards. We also usually do You know it's a fundraiser and a silent auction. So the silent auction items are going to be online and we're going to do was invading. And we're GONNA have people actually dress up for like you're going to the ball I don't know how well it will work but we're trying we have some members who are super gutter like entertaining and just making things fun. So they've taken it on is a little project so. Do, you have a January how do it? We actually do it November usually like I think it's November twenty first this year. So close to you. But I think. I think yes. Right. Near the end of the season. In January but we have so many members that go to Aken. For The people leave for the winter. So yeah. We're finding that not everyone was around to January. Besides it's new. England. It's. People are motivated to get out of town. Yes sir. Right I've lived in. Winter, you're motivated to get out of town. Yeah So. I think it's fascinating to talk to you and to hear about you know what went worth his doing and If folks listening you're interested in their you know close to your area and they wanna come out with Wentworth, how would they get in touch with you or someone to coordinate that? Yes. So the best thing to do is contact our secretary and her email as secretary at. Wentworth? Dot Org. and her name is Sarah Jacobson six. I'm tastic about getting back to people and We have people come. Excellent and we'll put a link to the Wentworth website in our show notes and we really appreciate you joining us and telling us about Wentworth and how you're you're making it work this season. Orrin facebook never really active facebook page and a great. Website too by the way. Yeah the website is delightful. Thank you. Great Conversation. Again, we've wasted all of our time talking about everything fox hunting and we are going to do it again next month on the third Thursday. 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The future of beauty with Sharmadean Reid

Product Hunt Radio

1:08:38 hr | 1 year ago

The future of beauty with Sharmadean Reid

"Hey everyone it's advocacy. Your host of Product Hunt Radio where I'm joined by the founders investors and makers that are shaping the future of of Tech. I have a very exciting episode today. I am joined by one of my all time favorite human beings on the planet tech leaders and Female Founders Sharma Sharma Dean read the CEO and founder of bt Stack. She is probably one of the most famous entrepreneurs London startup seeing right now and we cover hover a lot in this episode the future of beauty and tech for women and communities the secrets of a fundraising after she raised warping seed round earlier this year led by local Globe and index ventures and her advice on leading scaling team and creating a company culture that can last of course we also discussed the products. She loves while Sherman. I'm so happy to have you on product. Hunt Radio today you know I'm a huge fan of everything that you do. You've been in real trailblazer and inspiration for me and many other women intact women entrepreneurs women of Color Black and Brown women so it's wonderful to have you here and learn about what your journey from one else to future Girl Corp to stock. I always like to ask my guest to really show the audience you know who they are and what they're working on before. I jump into the questions so for those familiar with Sharma Dean readers. Please tell us who you are. Hey thank you for having me so yeah. I'm Sharma. I founded and now salon ten years ago. The process of building out that song gave me some interesting insights about how women communicate hate with each other about how they like to book treatments about the type of things they like about who the audience is but most importantly who the service slayer is who the professionals and from the inside I started building beauty stock the purse of me thinking about starting a startup atop is then why I started future Corp because I essentially created a space where I could learn how to build a startup by I interviewing people who've done it so future. Goal Corp is a very informal organization whereby every month I would teach sh you know a group of women and actionable skill rather than inspirational panel so Zoe's like how to find technical co-founder under or how to write a pitch deck a now because I call my confer. Each go cooper's much cited before we've put that online so if you go to the website Canal Start Your own feet go call. That was always the day so it's almost like a girl book club. You know I want girls to be starting their own business clubs everywhere so when I'm working on now now is beauty stock which is social network meets marketplace way you book trending beauty treatments purely of images and you transact in a social environment so yes. It's been a very fun journey yeah. It's amazing. I remember coming to my first future. GOLDCORP event and just like you said it was really full of practical information the session that I went to Michelle Kennedy. CEO and founder of peanut was talking about how to raise funding funding and also talking about legal and contracts and the importance of that and in terms of sharing practical information it was incredible because I'd already been a few months to incorporating my business. S. negotiate contracts with clients. This is like Hustle crew the workshops and training. I did and I was just like Oh. I haven't been using contracts. I suddenly Oh my my gosh like I'm completely exposed here and it's incredible how you just don't know what you don't know until someone tells you so right. That's exactly exactly because people are always while the information's out there and I'm like but sometimes she don't know what to Google. You don't know what the search term is. You don't know about good lever if a badly rug never heard of that before I started to start ups. You know what I mean so I think the UNB so privileged govern amazing network of women like Michelle Michelle was a lawyer and like completely Sena like lawyer. Start appears been through the so many times. I'm like show the knowledge h he s tell everyone because I just went through those mistakes myself and I was like I don't WanNa hear any horror. Stories of other gulls going three lot so yeah. That was really the instigator for it. Yeah it's incredible and in terms of having content which was very action oriented and Mike related to the business snus what I really enjoyed about that first evening I went was I then got to meet some incredible women including like Serena Abbassi who ran an organization to yeah make media inclusive and now she's MC Saatchi leading culture there and inspired by that talk we had really frank conversations about how much we were charging urging clients for workshops how much we were charging for speaking engagements and that was really the first time that I realized I could ask about money thing so directly because I think I was just too shy to do that before which is weird because as a business owner or an entrepreneur. You should definitely not be shy about money but yeah it was nice to have a space created region where we could speak to each other at that level well if we unpack a few things from what you said it's like it's nice to go to thing where this actionable stuff. That's it's just my possible preference. I'm very pragmatic. Logistical type person and I like to get things done and not have wishy washy in between so that's just the way I like to run things secondly. I think I'm really really good at creating spaces for the women to connect so that Serena is amazing and the fact that you now know her because of that if you imagine that's what we built to sell them for proudest thing for me is the like like hundreds if not thousands of connections between women that we've created over the last ten years like that makes me happy and then the other thing you said he's she's now doing culture. MC SALT GM like I have a really good attraction for like women who are going to be amazing as you know what I mean like all the the original Wogau crew who like fourteen and fifteen when I met them like that older in such incredible things now it makes me so proud and on top of that I I use them for services like a used them to decorate the salon. If they're now doing interior design I use them to supply the flowers there now flurries so I think he e-eh is really emotional because I'm closing wall this year and it's a really emotional thing for some lie almo go at from twenty five to thirty five. My life has been consumed by communities of women. It's good but it's like very emotive also yes. I can imagine I mean communities are at the core of everything that you do. Beauty is at the core of everything that you do. I'm going to be a fan grow hair but I love hope folding you on instagram ground because I feel like you are an expert when it comes to putting together and it's quite fun to have a tech CEO of adventure about company. I mean you know you raised a four million pound seed around earlier this Sierra who also has that side of things I feel like I grew up in a world where CEO's were always guys and always very serious very cookie cutter dimension to it so I just wanted talk a bit about your personal journey with beauty because I think a lot of the time when we think of leaders and we think CEO's we think of like their domain expertise like spaces that they've grown up around. I feel like for you. Fashion and beauty has always been a core part of your life and your identity so talk to me about about that yeah and that's why is my domain expertise uh-huh so actually studied to be on you can't study but I went to fashion school so I did a fashion communication degree at central Martin's graduated. I I started doing a master's in cultural theory but then at goldsmiths but I was getting so much work that I kind of love having money any for the first time in my life never finished my masters ugly so as always flipping between like aesthetics and academia my look my personal style to me. Is it the reason I like faction because to me. Fashion and beauty is essentially how we as. Homo sapiens show tribes is the way that we say this is who I am and this is what I stand for and what I believe in I'm from me. Being extra with my luck is testament how my mind works. It's like when you see people I think united that mean that living in the future in twenty thirty seven. I'm like with my outfits on like if you see me on my friends my international international Golkar I'm like we're living in the future and if we're living in the future through our look because we create like all Western thing and then you know my my friends in your Kobe Guarini to and then all over the world where like create micro trends of stuff it means that I know what uses will want after me thought Mike Sense so all of this feeds into my work because I build for anomalies and I built for like the goals who are living in the future. I built goals who were like international travelers who have high expectations of experience. You spend long money on fashion and beauty because I believe that if we build a product that works for for them it will walk for everybody else over time and also it's aspirational like you want to be lived in the future. I mean some people like thank you know traditional pass which I do also but it's more just like if you see me and how complex like voice alighted Jangling things right now just for context wearing like a pink kinda talk I recall like kind of like crop strappy top like satiny Silky. It's like a renaissance oriented pink craw with like like baggy trousers like backing down from two thousand and three and then a pink ripping my hat an loads of gold jewellery yeah just music so much going on with my look. I think this is a reflection of so much going on in my mind yeah like a time traveler. Yeah you're like a release on spending on the tall and then nine hundred bucks and you know it was really funny. I was listening to Casey the day he was just the original icon and Kelly says cool out there that so Lawrence Lawrence is such a good song but why find hilarious is how she cusses how her the other woman by saying she so basically she dresses I can't I believe we go out with someone who dresses like you know what I mean because she's like how just as a reflection of me and I'm like yeah she a all the things she could have said lease her pastoral style is so important to her identity that she's like how on Earth could go out with such a basic but yeah it's definitely eleven threat through my work but you know look if you scratched the surface of fashion and beauty. Mike I said before it really is from a it's almost like ethnography ethnography. Why do we just the way we dress how we communicate who we are. How does all these materialistic signifies is towel you and the world around me. This is who I am washed. I'm full and like you said it's not common rights like imagine how many of the same type of Guy Walks into pitch meetings and then I walk in and there's just so much going on for them mm to absorb. That's new information you visual information that it definitely wakes people. If they've been doing all days of partner meetings officer I like that I think it's true I think of myself and why I invest in the fashion products that idea and why I invest in the products they do and it goes so much more beyond just being another consumer product that I need it does relate so strongly to my sense himself in the world and like how I never gained the world exactly like you said how I want to be perceived and how I want to yeah. I want people to think of me so I think it's it's really great that you kind of touched on that and shed some light on that now. rewinding a bit to graduating from university getting booked for a lot of work was that for styling or what what did that look like so the first job. I got as a freelancer so I want my hallway through university. Which is why I was able to get work so easily my first job before starting like a month before my call started. I worked for Nicola Form Academy and Kim Jones go to Kim Jones. He's now big time mazing he so while both of them are so incredible and that was my only real education. I had to the best and then my third best boss was John Furnace who was then editor Arena Complex magazine. I W- what those guys all the way through my my degree and then the first independent Joe by goal was styling a Nike shoot in Milan with twenty five influences assists but you have to remember that ten years ago that while what did not exist yet so yeah it was more like twelve years ago influences was determined that Nike okay invented as far as I'm concerned but it was like private like you never externally referred to the phrase influences and yeah it was people like so Ken Capello did the photography. He's an amazing photographer. He's from based in America and then I had core people from Amsterdam Tom from La from New York from like Parish Milan. Imagine twenty five of the coolest people it's like an instant head so so the way I walk so much of my previous life as as translated incredibly to the work. I'm doing now because when people want to understand virology yes the world of styling fashion shoots is incredibly viral because if you imagine that every time you to shoot. Let's say you're doing one shoot a fortnight. You Meet New People on set you me a creative director a new photographer uh new Mike Parties to make parts assistance has stylist lighting directors all of these people and you bond with them intensely to create. It ought visual you. It's almost like you know how you when you travel together travel. You'll traveling as well so you have intense period talk with these people and so therefore they are instant veterans got it right and then you do it all again two weeks later so when people in fashion have like lo to friend yeah he's because you genuinely can you do because you've like met. Tanu people every two weeks and orange twenty-five we shoot light that so that while the I lived in was is incredibly inherently viral. It meant that by the time I came up with wall that sorry yeah the idea for Canal Salon because I'll be working on the fanzines and so's at university anyway I just knew so many people all over the world from styling for Nike and eighty we saw and debates rebar can leave is and all kinds of youth culture Lebron's so I would either put clothes on people or about what closed upon on people nice wide right trend reports on insights that I'd seen it was amazing and fun and definitely was a good foundation for what I'm doing now because it's usually behavior. It's about customer. CONSI- it's about understanding which use a moves the needle use a virology verses ones that don't yeah I'm Mike. My journey has gone in in a straight line but I'm in the place I was GonNa say it has all still connected in a valuable arguable way. I think it's quite interesting because they're certainly this trend of predicting the future or anticipating the future or putting yourself in the minds of future future thinkers are like future stakeholders and everything that you do and I just wonder. Do you feel that there is some like skill skill. You've been able to hone through that work that lets you. Let's say apply it now. In terms of thinking this is where the beauty industry is going or this is where Viti practitioners will be going sort of identifying this things maybe before they've even found a way to vocalise it so really interesting question because I ask myself at all the time not just about being able to know what's coming next but generally Y I am the way I am okay of. The practical help cleared vice. Yes it would be to just ask people about their lives and read between the lines. I have a natural central curiosity and interest in people but having interesting Wade people not like last time apart in introduced me. I wouldn't typically just start like asking them light of questions but they'll just be something and that's the intangible thing that I can't quite right share. They'll just be something about them. that will make me think. I want to know more about and then I'll start asking them everything you know well. Where did you grow up like what what teach you school dissertation on. You know not obvious things won't do like what music do you like. When I know where someone group it tells me about them right what how old they are and I can put them in a context of a time and place your teenagers formative for the rest of your life as the movies kinds the questions but I don't ask them what they think of stuff. I'm just asking them and then I'm making assumptions based on what they're telling me so all the conversations is going. I'm trying to confirm or deny my assumptions right hate so I do in interviewing as well like for example. We hide backend. Kindle Genie who is thirty four the same age is May and from Wolverhampton Okay so because he thought he fired him from my my hometown. I'm not what school did you go to so. He tells me what school so. I'm building. This picture of him and I basically just know what he's like. You know what I mean. I know I know the music he was listening to you. I know what his clubbing experience was idea very nowhere. He went raving like when he was seventeen like I know the type of the city he grew up in what how it possibly made him feel so. I'm just trying to confirm my assumptions all the time through conversation the second second thing. I do which I think helps massively is I read so much and I read really varied stuff so trends across journalism and any type of writing. You'll just see flutter of patterns. Which is what predicting the future? It sure is right so you know. I'll be reading about wikileak. GIG economy in Bloomberg Businessweek and then I'll read about how flexible working is on the rise. I don't read about how you know the injury report on there in Engine Academy of the amount of unpaid work that women do and what the contribution to the economy of women working and then I'm like Kay boom the future what for women is and look things like weddings have been successful on whether's opportunities so I think you know I heard an amazing star. Ah a panel discussion once where a woman said that employment opportunities immigrant men in the UK had gone up by like twelve percent last five years. Oh that's cool. She didn't say any more so than my brain starts going right from our wonder why is well obviously. Uber and deliver probably the the two easiest job she can get if you're newly arrived person in the UK right and I'm like why is that an immigrant men thing thing and women thing while you feel safe he was to be cycling around as a You know there are all these reasons that I'm like Kay well. What can I do to fill that role while you know almost every immigrant woman can do some form of beauty because the to do on themselves without without too bright that you know do clean their face whatever it is some like UK bring all of this information you know just mentioned a few select things things but I will have an entire thesis on the future of what for women and I'll be like well. This is how we faced fit in so it's definitely pattern recognition across. It's a varied range of sources and also looking at cycles. Everything is cyclical. Nothing is truly new. Ri- It'll just be a new execution of an old idea so I was thinking about how I always look in fact. I said it today in a meeting. We don't import at meeting four gift. Vouchers ifting is huge in beauty and we're trying to decide what the flow is of where a gift voucher appears in the booking king like process so I said to the team when we have difficult decisions like this what I tried to think what would a human do twenty years ago. I should do this well. I know what a woman would do. Twenty days ago should cut out a key from the cereal box keep him from Cosmopolitan Osma politics and she'd have all these different vouchers and then when she goes to like Sainsbury's she tom them over at the checkout and the guy would scan them all one by one to go through and then discount would be applied at the end so that's what we need to. We need to have a wallet of oldies varied. Vouchers vouch might come from us as be stock might come from another approach to another pro. It might be Discount Code that we've just distributed. We need a wallet with all these different vouchers in so you can select the voucher or apply or just hit like apply y.`all vouchers and see what she got what I'm saying I think cyclically like what you know. Nothing is new what we twenty days ago two hundred years ago. I also read a lot of history for the same reason because I just think again. Humans are quite basic paret and whatever whatever was done before probably happen again which stuff better tools to do them. I think there's a lot to learn from that and a lot to unpack in that history definitely probably repeats itself. I feel like we certainly see that happening. Even if you just look at current affairs and stuff like that which is interesting but certainly being it being able to identify trends and identify patterns is very important and I feel like that's why people who are always passionate about space or just have an incredible amount of knowledge within within a space ended up being very successful business leaders within that space because they already equipped with like the information and the tools to identify patterns turns. You know what I mean like you need to be comfortable and competent within a domain to be able to connect the dots or go one level up and to the point that you're making about interviewing that person I like okay. What's the context and what's the other context I commute from this and stuff like that so I'd love to focus a bit on. Bt Stock I was so there was some great news that that came out earlier this year that you raise your seed round just also great investors like index and local globe reflecting on that fundraising journey versus. Let's say a starting out with one else ten years earlier. What are the things that you have learned about fundraising that you feel like founder best practices and maybe in in particular ones that aren't often included in those lists of like oh. This is what you definitely have to do. Just like your own personal experience. What do you feel really helped you win. In such big names and yet convinced folks that this is going to be a billion dollar idea one day I think by the thing that really helped me in good stead was the time I spent to walk on my own personal and company theses. VC's it seems that was the most valuable thing I done so we often sit there and have a business idea and do a pitch deck and you'll do what's called market research but market research. She's not the same as right in your own thesis of how the Future GonNa look so I had a private blog and I would bright all my big thoughts down so like I mentioned earlier the future of work for women. Another one might be why the time is right now. Another one might be why I'm the right person right now an outright this in a password protected block at any time an investor wanted to see in a workings of my mind. I could go there and understand it because he can't get the stuff across completely in fifteen twenty minutes that you might have to pitch but the process of doing allows you to really really chisel away at the at the kernel of the day I made that my hometown eighteen months to give myself the time and space to think about my entire life but also the time space to think about the Zach kind of business. I wanted to build so be deadly show that when I entered that business it was by choice because with Wa I opened now. Sell them for me my friends and it suddenly became his huge thing and it wasn't my choice choice. Got It. I I was going to be stylist an CREPE director. You this thing happened to me. I was like a passive participant in I was like damn up at a run this business because people really like it wasn't a choice so I thought about what made Wa- successful a what I enjoyed doing if it was personally pleasurable to me an IRA list of all that stuff and I was like well I realized helping women make more the money so how can I do that but also would really like to build a huge company like a big global company. Obviously technology is the best way to do that so because spent so much time mental energy on the business before I even put pen to paper the pitch Dak on the fundraising part was I am an eternal always have good memories but it was it was I don't want to dismiss it by Zayn effortless but I just don't all the hard work in my head got it. You know what I mean. He had the conviction had the conviction had the answer. Every time I had to difficult every Tomah Mama had a big load picture in appreciate precede level so when I got my first funding from local glider by pitch quite law but every time I did a pitch hitch whatever any investor would say I would write it down and I'd write like three responses to it because when you write is cemented entering your heads then the next time he paid she gets better and better and better until these things rolling off the tip your Tommy in your action -ticipant pushback and then what you realize realizes the better quality investor you get less like unthought Tori. The questions are anyway so they don't get what I mean so I think that is as an important part of people. Don't talk about enough. Which do your homework? I would just icon stress that enough. I would listen to every invest star Ktar wanted. If I had a meeting I would google them. Listen to every podcast read every interview. I'd look all their previous investments. I would look at one nine. Investment was made the look that poor failure company and how well are they doing now. Have they raised the next round of funding. I would judge trying to think about why they possibly might have invested in that company. If any similarities to us the I could pull from so I would go into the meetings like like very very prepared and they might not know that because they they think just be having a normal conversation. I was tweaking my pitch every tyne nine to the person who was opposite me and the things that they like thought were valuable about my story see I. I would say doing your homework also also although it seems incredibly strategic almost manipulative the process of denying help show business get better because you know on the whole most of them have been incredibly successful an incredibly experienced so if they say we look for businesses that do like you know listen to a podcast this morning in recent heart she said online to offline and if you do online to offline like you have a digital product that delivers of physical service or product like Uber is online to offline. You need to have hard corporation experience and stuff but we look for unlike. OJ by called businesses so I was like our to our I never thought about that. How do we fit into that because if we don't fit into it the ninety two thinking to fit into wait because clearly they're very successful. Maybe I should listen to their advice so yet. It may sound store create a manipulative but it helped me shape my proposition proposition. It got better. You know what I mean. Every time when I started to I can t stock was actually meant to be like Tumbler for beauty so it was a web based product. There's there's GONNA be be to bay like a monthly subscription. Instead of re blogging all liking picture you booker and the line was re blogs and like Steinke put food on the table. Eh But then the more that I thought about our porter toes line this is this is an APP. Actually that's a very different type of business. Let Munich Munich all the types of businesses fit into us through what investors say about these types of businesses so yeah. That's the level um the I went to an all my like when people say to me that they have difficulty raising. I think you know we always say in the office. Are you redoing the most yes. I Love Allen. I'm rhianna Brian Team. They say ways extra and doing the most I it's so important. I feel like those actually something that I would call quite intentional about that approached. You've taken first of all starting with the introspection with yourself. You created the space to think about why you why now all the things that are essential to answer to an investor investor and then secondly researching your money. I feel is actually a very wise decision. Founder should make you want to be in a position where you're picking from the best because you're bringing in the expertise that you need or joining the community of the portfolio that makes the most sense and aligns with your long term vision and I would say ah if you're not doing that as founder than like. Maybe you haven't really thought it through enough. You know what I mean. I actually wanted to push you a bit more on that because so at the time of recording this diversity. Vc have just published some really interesting data about the UK of interesting and unsurprisingly at talks of the homogeneity not in the scene not that much representation from women not that much representation from people of Color. I just wonder since beauty stack is based based on this thesis that you've crafted from all of this research about the future of women working in the sector flexible work gang often women for migrant backgrounds backgrounds was a concern that you had going out into the sea world that you would effectively be pitching something to folks who weren't weren't familiar with the idea or hadn't even like done a beauty treatment themselves not all. I actually found sometimes the opposite for some women so for example firstly. Everyone in the Western world has consumed beach treatment because men going get the haircut that is a bt treatment so they will have experienced even if not on the level that we would be doing it you know any and they have women in their lives and they all know how those women interact and to be honest if he are in front of investor. He doesn't get your wild because they don't personally live than you shouldn't even be talking investigators that clearly not a dynamic human being just because I don't you know use the HSA doesn't mean. I don't know how it works like so. I think that that Sir really important thing as a founded there are very that is so much capital out there right. Now you really do if you if you are a good founder. You have a lot of options nations and you should be just as designing as they are. I think an I mean that's just my personal effects right like I rarely Carib Arab. I'm very loyal person. I really care about being with a crew for very long time which is convenient because funds last ten years so when I pitched to people and if they didn't get there in the beginning I would find incredibly frustrating the definitely two or three meetings in my lifetime. I've been visibly like frustrated angry. I'm like why can't you see I I see so the my method is always to take responsibility for that and bid at Walmart pitch played. Wasn't that good if you can't see what I see. I'm doing about job so then. I need me too like but that's just me. I'm always going to be hard on myself like I definitely found from some women's my first ever Susannah Schmidt local globe wrote my first check and she's incredible and just a wonderful human and I have a lot of women women on my cap table who completely get it but I did find that reverse thing which I thought was quite fascinating. Bro Tapia Brilliant Book It's ready all my God. I wanted to read it so bad. I actually download it on my phone. I was in the countryside and I'll read the whole thing on my phone day yeah but does this thing where female. VC's almost don't want to invest in women because they don't want to be the only only female visa. He brings female products to the firm so I I had a couple but it's crazy how fast things change like that wouldn't even be a thing now as little to lose two years ago. When I was pitching the first time round there're couple of women who definitely like blocked me yeah. She'll full hundred percent. I'm like the school I also think that because I have quite a clear outlined and very dominant and ambitious plan I think it would overwhelm some people or or seem complicated to some people but I just think I believe in law of attraction. I think you put the right message out there in the right investors will find Jay because seize on actually away says the UNB really better ask him for money why I never like you know. I'll just be Lila building this business. I'll never be like so Giorno. Invest some trying to get better in that and it's also I I wanted to ask you because you are certainly one of the hardest working people I know how do you work on when you're founder mindset and personal development like before I jump into like your role within beauty stock. I just WanNa know on a personal level because at productivity we have this conversation. All all the time. Everyone in the community is aspiring something whether they're still studying and trying to break into whether they're working on his side hustle trying to get out into the world even if they're just like a founder her trying to launch or trying to grow get their first thousand. APP DOWNLOAD MILLION APP downloads. There's this real theme of self improvement because there's this awareness awareness that the success of your business depends on the success of you as an individual and I know that continuous learning is something that's really big. You've already mentioned this but you know what are those other things that you prioritize in your life so that you can be the most effective founder you can be freshly having a personal mission and I actually would also recommend that for fundraising in the I love this analogy of missionary founders of mastery founders when I first that's hard about if you google is really fascinating. When I first heard about it is I I yeah. I'm definitely missionary like I think not good investors won't missionary Canary Founders and Colt fate in my personal mission so it keeps me on the straight and our it gives me that in all star that regardless of how the business Pans Al my personal mission our own not like just me you know what I mean so that was like super important in times of that found mindset. I think that the difference between a founder Founder and an entrepreneur is like a founder. It's a calling an an entrepreneur you building businesses and new building incredible businesses. Aziz and you see brilliant opportunities but I felt like founders according by genuinely love idea but I would love love to just be doing some really basic stuff but I feel obligated to do this and I think that's the mindset that I've always had if I if I see something. I think well unites quite egotistical but I think only I have this unique insight that for half to make a thing because if I didn't do it who else is going to see our site. That's super important is to be mission. Driven have your personal mission and and the mission should ideally beyond the company. I know that my personal mission will last a good few decades even if God forbid abused not dozen like my personal mission will carry on then I would advise you mentioned it briefly actually defining your own level of success. This is so important because I think he can have. The calling is founder and happily say my level of success is that I'm I'm going to build a business that turns over like one hundred and changes the lives for these in one thousand people Mike Small Town and is is totally amazing but because you asked for it you to find it you know what I mean you said. This is what is going to work for. May is going to make me happy. It's going to work for my lifestyle. That might be another founder. He's like minor lives successes ten billion ten billion dollar company company that operates in one hundred countries around the world and employs a thousand people something and that's they've defined that level so so. I think again thinking about a North Star you have to define that Radio Leon because if you are all my knowledge is a main driven these as an amazing me where this guy is like out to see and then he gets taken by the waves and then he just lies back and lets the wave state. I think the Dow dot is peaceful but also dangerous because you're you're not in control. there's no free will that so. I think having the clarity what's right for US important because of the Weiss the danger zone is you're judging yourself by other people's level success all all you forget what your happy with so you know you might be built in this hundred. Grand Company for the thousand people in your village each and then you might across the roads like turning over million. You're like Fuck Y. Y took not turning over a million but you forgot actually that hundred grams or you needed yeah so if you define it. It's you stay in your lane so important 'cause he's varies destructed. Oh yeah happy especially because crunch bases announcing raises every day all the time like actually I get the email to basically posta me because I'll read a read that some crazy like I dunno pet food business is like five hundred million and I'm like. Oh Yeah we can do this so i. I think that but it's easy to get distracted by similar. Baio pay group. CEO have a mission have a definition of success and then just we know what you need to feed you so you might need might be physical. It might be I need to do. Do you know squash every day or whatever might be. I need to have loud sacks. I need to have a massage once a week because physical needs are incredibly important worth and then you have your emotional needs you know what do I need. I need to feel safe. I need to fill in a stable relationship. I think so many people who are founders dropout of the game purely through personal traumas. Oh definitely just limiting beliefs and personal traumas. I couldn't have built be stopped when I was twenty five because I was having a baby going through break-up moving house deciding what to do with my life. Saturn's return on this crazy stuff you know I have such a sensitive not complete in a piece whatsoever. I'm constantly emotional turmoil. Oh Bar. It's a higher level of it. It's more like what's my life's meaning rather than Oh my God. Why isn't that boy like me. I mean I think that knowing what satisfies you physically emotionally socially these things are really important because the way the IV my role Tom as a founder is remove all obstacles to genus thinking remove all obstacles to mental clarity eighty two intellectual greatness like how can I almost achieve a high of consciousness of thinking to see that next big idea idea so that removing those obstacles might be a higher cleaner so I don't clean my house. It might be you know the shed child care that I have with my son's father. It might be not having friends who made me feel judged or criticize. It might be not going out to a rave because because the next staff go board meeting yeah whatever it is. I try to be so disciplined with my life because there's too much at stake here and I really know what I warning a now how quickly I wanted see. I just think when you were found is like being high-performance. Athle- got like why would you even think that you could get through the day without how in the same way athlete needs help so much on your shoulders the sandwiches steak sometimes sometimes. I come home at the end of the day and it's literally like I'm coming. Home is nice summer time at the moment so it's a bomb evening and I'll be walking home nine ten o'clock at night. The how the hell did I do all the justified it today often. Can I'll have a little laugh. You know what I mean. I started my diet seven. I am a mom then. I'm like being radium being a product manager that I'm being appeal cow then I've got to do an interview on a photo shoot that I'm mentoring someone and I switch through these different hats like one time and by the end of the day. I'm I'm totally drained. Yeah I can imagine and I'm just like Anita. Look after myself itself to do the things I need today. You're also creating content throughout all of this thing watching and reading. I often think that too like wow how you every minute of your day. There's output from you. You don't mean like as you say whatever role whatever role you're fulfilling I do think that's why it takes a certain energy slash madness to be a founder because there is bizarrely like like you mentioned engine ego here like a year vision of the world. You have to be the one to execute it but at the same time there's also sacrifice on the other side of that coin because you're choosing to take a very difficult path ultimately to change the world shape the world and the requirement of that is time I'm work and like you say discipline. I feel like discipline as well. It's like a muscle and you have to work it and excise and strengthen it like Brian Hoover. WHO's like the year productivity. He's as one of the most disciplined people I know. Hugh aches so early like five thirty first thing he does tech product. On of course you know check his emails. He answers every message that gets whether it's from community. Member on twitter are on email. He's obsessed with product. You know he's obsessed with his life and there is a certain madness to that I think and I think sometimes it's kind of a K. to like admit to it as long as like you said you're still doing the things that are required to stay alive because we don't maybe highlight enough how important is to stay healthy and stay balanced ashore one example. I've been mentoring a group group of under twenty five here in London her interested in breaking into tack or becoming founders themselves and I just did this talk on resilience. Ask Them. What do you do you to support your mental health to support your physical health noon. It came to like mental. I asked you to raise your hand. If you have a support network only half the room raise their hand and and that made me quite sad because I think going back to your point think of the number of people who've quit or given up stop working on their dream because there was no support network around them to help help them overcome this difficult times so I wanted to switch gears a little bit and talk about the future of work particularly with your CEO hat on on your very open about how you've grown your team and how you developing your team you have an amazing newsletter which I read but you also share stuff on medium and twitter. I'm I'm curious to hear what are some of the things that you are prioritizing as your team scales so other managers who are listing out there can learn some from your advice so thing. I'm prioritizing right. Now is my understanding of of how the team together like Jenga looking for big gaps in the team eight tight alma go to take so much which work like you know. I do an org chart in the form of a spreadsheet actually before it becomes a diagram and in in that spreadsheet. I'm writing what everyone does who they are an tight but not just their title strap line what they and then also what their future would be in in a year's time because obviously you really helps to plan people's future out they love PA but then I can go big red squares of gaps there's a whole other layer on top of it in terms of personalities as well so we do a lot of personality testing and talking today I discovered we have two brand. New Moist breaks in the team which is so amazing. He matching lasted this long with no the pathological the the defender. Oh amazing and now we've just got to show happy because we just had so many analytical extroverted people so I look at that as well and there's a short term with hiring and building the team. It's like short major long-term right so I'm meeting people right now who I would love to have an amazing. COO next year right now it's too Charlie but and also it takes time to build that relationship parsonage so critical for the company in needs to be the right person definitely definitely and you need to be sure you're getting into fugate in like marital essentially and so to me. It's a six month process but then we need a contract to canal because we've got two people paternity leave to to a back end engineer going on potentially one after the other so we need a contractor but I keep saying this phrase contractors a human too because intact contractors got put in a corner sometimes. They don't even know you. Don't even know arriving. No one knows who they are so I'm like how can I give our temporary contractor the best experience and give him hope for what companies you know today. We had Friday team luncheon he was like won't you have lunch together. Every day. Someone cooks now way a Suede. Oh Tales like let's say Ya and then generally I just hired head of operations person who I'm so excited and the first task that I've given him as something that I learned from guys Base Come mm-hmm which is thinking of the company as your product and your user your employees all you give them the best user experience ever if designed the company like a product right like what's that. How do they hear about the company. What's their on boarding journey. Experience experience like I said to him design the company like it too. It's a whole new product and he's so hyped about that Nice. That's also I've never thought of it like that. But I kind of wish I had like as an employee listening. One of the things that I really enjoyed reading about was how you got everyone cheer right there. They're like user manuals. We love says it's something everyone has to. Everyone has to do it so I stole it from Clyde Johnson. He's from strident. Here's a google before yeah. She wrote it in an Ele- Gills high growth Hanbro. Can I read it and this is great. I also I love the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer okay. He's got a book called about myself. I mean it's the same thing it's how what he thinks anything's racing's when he thinks and I like this type of it's very stoic self reflection try philosophy that I fully subscribe to its thinking about and why you think the way you think and how you operate and when we rushed off to doing it people found it really difficult they would be like. I've never thought about myself. Alf and how I work and I was like that full. The process in itself is useful so every single Friday or just came straight from we do a ashore huns business update and then someone presents they guide talking with me and I would say is the single handed mushed at a positive cultural thing. We've started the company. It's it's been more effective than base after work more effective than team socials more effective took anything. So what happens is she. Do you mice brick stashed. We give you a template publicity. Myers Briggs Ise my operating star my communication style. What might vitamin D my traits me where I'm in my float state. All these types of things about who you are and everyone loves it. Thank you you present. It and then people talk about talk about it. It's almost like a It's a wonderful three sixty way. You say Oh my God I totally see that show personality type because you do this this and this and see we do it and it's bloody great but we actually Fridays. Diet is so lovey-dovey now. It's like in all hands at the very end. We do shout outs but now today that usually will we'll do one or two people Xiao but today I was like we're going to do it. Differently is good to make stuff up on the spot like everyone turned to your left and say one. I think a gratitude to the person on your left and we just went round the room doing that an even if he'd never worked with them you like one guy said. I'm grateful for these amazing. ising colorful shirts you wear every day and then we do fail. I attempt to learning so anyone can say anything. They've done that wake whether I messed up big time I attempt to learning is entrusting because sometimes as laser things from today was really anything anything that was technically shoot today about Google calendars and you know. IPO releases and then once we've done shouts of gratitude and I seventy learning we take a break and then stop the Guide and then at the end everyone's like I love you man so they all leave on Friday with a warm fuzzy feeling yeah. She's good for me. I want to call this user manual thing I mean. We are just going through right now. I'll send you the template. He's do. We're going thank through our peer reviews right now and peer reviews of course add value but they feel so like so much less human than you're or describing because it's quarterly. It's tempted and I feel like there should be more opportunities to share what you've worked on what you contribute you to what what you feel could have gone better in terms of how you interact with people than these very specific junctures and sometimes you know. I read back on period because it's almost like revelations violations like Oh. It didn't even know that that's weird. I feel like it should happen sooner. urged like you say in a more in a more holistic format where you feel like a family and you feel like you're just having having a conversation. I think that's pretty cool. It'll be interesting to see how you carry on with that. Energy over the next two years has really stacked scales so this is an interesting thing right. It's like things that you want to start because they scale or things that you won't start because they weren't scale are member wants reading Cheryl. Somebody say you know we were doing birthday cakes in the face and then we just couldn't remember birthdays we stopped. Stop doing it and I was like yeah. That's totally like if you WanNa grow that's going to happen but then I think it's all my slyke not not giving yourself the chance to develop an understand what could scale so think of that game you you can see a product driven. I have right. It's like I think of the process like a design spring or use a test or anything like that. Where how'd you know what's not going to go onto you actually do it is like we've done. Nason okay so now I've got all this feedback. I know which bit too useful which bits on a now I could easily think of a white could scale in a way I wouldn't have been able to for exempt. We've already started talking about doing a digitised version of it so that you can click anyone's name in the company read that guy to Erkin with me. Instantly you could also pattern match for personality types that work well together who have done in real life as well so when someone presented their personality type one of our front end developers relatives said that's my girlfriend's personality type and we really get on and I kind of store that information in the back of my head and then when it came up for a project to work on I put them together. Allah turned out to be a Dream Team. Yeah and I've done like two or three projects together now and that from totally different sides of the company so I was like I'm already the thinking how we and we've already discussed it like every night. I go another run them about it but just because it doesn't scowl now you still need to have the insight insight in how to scale in the future. She shouldn't let things stop you from doing things because you're like. This isn't going to work five hundred people. I'm like firstly. That's awfully presumptuous. They can get five hundred people but you know you stop shoe learning yeah. I think that's really good advice. There still value to be gained from it. So why stop nope none before you need to. Oh I like that so being the product on podcast we obviously cannot let you leave without telling us about the products products you love whether that sharing the apps that are on your home screen or the apps that you can't live without this is your time to share with the community so uh the guy that I'm dating hates looking at my phone. I think eight screens of APPs because they're not organized. You don't have boulders note. No photos like Oh she white so I so I so I I couldn't live with all right. I'll tell you my favorite APP go vastly I'm obsessed with ups and she can tell for just very convenient and it's funny because when you hire a potent monitor any product personal business as you just like I always say look at your phone because if you if you're into tech and into apps how would you be able to give tell me the absolute best user experiences could be for your like a baseline is the much popular APPs in the APP store. Yeah what I mean so so. I'm always looking at the APPS that people will never find the things that I love the pattern. He heard of the show we you got a file my to have your life changed. I am so obsessed with this up. Oh my God even just talking about batted unlike elaborate task more. What is it do a tell you I love it. I love it for a few reasons firstly. Take something as centuries old your astrological through logical bath chart so ancient Chinese communities have been looking at the stars and where you were born and building naito charts a natal chart. Will you know it's how one of my favorite words is all suspicious it will tell you about the child's feature feature right and it will be like year of the pay all of the stuff which is actually the beginning of horoscopes and astrological not the beginning but you know horoscopes horoscopes have come from the marketplace but essentially planets got climates plus energy so why I love this product is he takes something as human as a as A. I want to use the natal chart. HOROSCOPE IS UNITL charts. It's not quite just horoscope. You take something very very human and wacky a mystical as a natal chart which is where all the planets in the solar system were at the exact time date and location of your birth. You Take Wacky mysticism you then take the history of everyone's ever written about NATO chart which is quite e confined unlike those websites cafe strategy way you can find your NATO charter and it's like a sixteen page document. It'll be for free and they it's all so small. Imagine that you'll take in sentences are pre written and through machine learning. You're basically piece in them together to make a I. I are driven reading. Oh cool record is all my favorite stuff. Okay humans plus data plus Aetna so the best firstly will take your natal chart and give your child but the way the U I is though it's not the most beautiful oh out the UI works really well so what I mean by that as a typical natal chart as I said would be sixteen page document that you would would have to organize yourself whereas what the pattern does is it breaks down into themes so I'll read your few of my theme nice of Oh. There's no signal down here but a theme like my number. One theme is dissatisfaction. Oh hyperactivity and then it will say and then you swipe through each statement but the way the statements constructed are with machine learning because it will I will read sale reach your pattern because I can put your patterning battening. I can ask text you saying where we born yeah and then I cannot you can read all about your personality nobis some sentences that are similar but a whole section so that's how it slight done is so small personal best thing is. I can connect you and me and find out how we trigger each other. Wow is this relationship going to walk. That's also GONNA be fruitful. What are the defining Godina Mix of our relationship. This is so critical for how as someone like me. I think a thing of founder has to do that. Other people don't have to do is basically change that personality to like the hundred different people they come in contact with to to get things done so we find out that somebody likes planning an organization. I conscious throw in a van on them last minute and expect them to deliver it whereas if Nice ones pass not throw it off chaos and business I might call. I can give fat person this job so that Jenga thing I mentioned earlier his constant testing tweaking pulling seeing how much you can give someone what you can take away and this APP helps me. I I told my today I was on it for three hours straight. I was best with their. I'm still obsessed with it. I check. It's my most check tap. If you point screen time yeah the most one other apps that I'm obsessed ways is notion love notion yeah apps started using notion and got the whole team on obsessed with it also obsessed with I love older astrology APPs. I use coastal on sanctuary decent true. That's a new one also amazing. I love superhuman. Oh Yeah I'm used that allow yeah. I'm still on that train. I'm it's like forty dollars a month. Isn't it thirty dollars a month which is about twenty pounds and the way I see he is is my mice Jeez. Service award would not pay for it saves. You time claims to do it. It's not it's not the time saving it's the anxiety are used to get about our Africa about this niggling feeling I had unanswered dropped balls you and now I don't get that because I know that everything's organized a beautiful beautiful you. I like you know I definitely it. Could you could go on and do this yourself but it's ugly. I obviously love beauty star Yeah. She's great took like a couple of my friends have gone up so I use a lot and I give tested back. So there's three Michela she said on Pino on constant pain. I I think so beautifully disarm so impressed by the design vojtech shouted because we sign the same off this year. I love that I love Moody. Not which is my friend. Amy's Alpi check our law like for example right now. I'm like my body of my stomach's feeling really tender. I'm a little bit irritable. I will check me your day now. I think my being like this and the media will tell you not only based on your cycle but based on all these other things like the weather the humidity where the moonies right now like why am I got in the way I'm acting and then I also check fairly which Gino lally early. AM So billy fairly I met through local Globe and you know I am quite interested in in sexual while she goes sexual wellness yeah which is what as I am also more interested. She keeps laughing at me. She's like the this optional fee. It's just a big time so yes you know. I think it's brilliant. Alien happened. I'm excited to see where it goes. I love really I'm even just their new settlers great name using it's so important to have these conversations as human beings and particularly women and I remember one of the subject lines is like how long do you like sex last four and I was like no one's ever asked me that. I'm glad that she could things recommendations. Medias were great content. I feel like we're we're entering a new era of wellbeing and identity. Thanks to your product and all these other ones that you've mentioned so. It's definitely a great time to be alive. I'm very happy for her. It's really about for me about data driven wellbeing. I know equally clinical as spiritual. I need data just as much. I trust my intuition Russian. I like facts. Yes these new APPS GIFT FOR MR for mysticism. which is what I'll because I think mysticism shoot important? The woman is the most mystical object tougher yeah so like I love mysticism. Bios so love like hardcore information so for folks who want to follow you and beauty sack. Where can they find you online so I am on instagram and twitter as at Shawmut even read and then my everything. Bt Stock which is a great challenge to get fake name there yeah great things. I wanted it to be like technical stock full beauty. They'll tell you age is to think of it. It makes stocks and he's asking peachy excellence tax. That's great. 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How to sell your product to enterprise customers with Michelle Bacharach

Product Hunt Radio

29:01 min | 7 months ago

How to sell your product to enterprise customers with Michelle Bacharach

"Hey everyone it's advocacy your host of product Hunt Radio. I'm joined by the founders investors and makers that are shaping the future of. Tuck IN THIS EPISODE. I speak to Michelle Becker. The CEO and founder of Fine Fine Line is a retail technology company that uses machine learning to scale the currently manual anti-drug process of product. Curation find mine boasts impressive clients like Adidas and Perry Ellis in this interview. We DIVE INTO THE CHALLENGING WORLD OF ENTERPRISE SALES. Many of you makers have two products. So I know you'RE GONNA learn a ton from Michelle. She shares insight into the early days of building fine line and the tactics that successfully helped her win over her very first business clients and close more. Enterprise deals enjoy building. Good products takes a long time. Everyone knows that a lot of time goes into trouble shooting your APPS pre and post deployment now with has been the world's first connected intelligence platform DEV teams. Qa and product teams can save countless hours with unified testing monitoring and analytics across applications devices and networks head. Spin accelerates time to market and optimizes the performance and functionality of your digital experiences enabled by Mobile Web. Iot and five G. technologies learn more at www dot head spin dot io Michelle. Thank you so much for being on the show. I've been really excited to interview and find out more about your product. Find Mine funnily enough. Your name came up when I sent a tweet asking what makers I should bring on the show so thanks to a diverse for bringing Michelle to product. Tent radio Since you have a very unique product I thought it might be fun for me to just start off by getting you to talk about sign mine and what you do shore. So we're enterprise software solution for consumer facing brands and retailers and our software is actually helping to scale out what those organizations are doing internally by hand so the content that they're creating manually to help guide shoppers with how to be successful with the products that they're buying is something that we are using She learning and Automation TO SCALE OUT. So as an example Our clients include fashion brands and retailers that sell clothing and you might be shopping on a website and see a shirt and it will show you the pants in the shoes in the bag in the jacket that. I'll go with that shirt to help you understand. How would I wear this Day What could I wear with if I wanted to take it to work where it's work and usually that's being programmed manually? By someone called merchandiser within the fashion organization. Marketers might send out email campaigns. You know we just had Chinese New Year might have been an email campaign like all. The different looks with read that you could wear for Chinese New Year Dinner. 'cause reds kind of lucky color during Chinese New Year but a marketer was usually having to create that campaign by hand so what our technology is doing is actually predicting what those people merchandisers marketers personal shopping teams would do if they were to create a complete outfit by hand a furniture that if there are home furnishings company. A makeup look or a beauty regimen Therapeutic Company. What would they create if they were to sit down and do it by hand to help guide him or so that you know how to be successful with this face cream or with this couch or whatever you're buying so essentially what we're doing is we're trying to close information gap between a customer? Who is not an expert right in everything that they could be buying and the brand who is an expert at what they're selling and we're doing that in a way that's actually scalable so that the customer gets better information. They spend more money. The brands happier. They make more revenue on. They also have a longer lifetime value from that customer and they save time because they don't have to have those merchandisers marketers manually curing this content all the time trying to guide their customer raise. This is incredible. I think what's so interesting about your product is it's one which has a touch of complexity to it just because you're working across all two different types of verticals but when you took that beat to explain it ensure examples. I realized Oh benefit from companies using your tools because it is difficult you know I think the last time I just tried to find new outfit for work or whatever and it's quite easy to immediately be overwhelmed by the options available and I guess as a consumer. I don't spend a ton of time thinking about what happens when I click on that blouse and suddenly I'm being suggested the best pair of trousers or shoes or boots or whatever to go with it so it's quite interesting to hear about that and I guess the reason I wanted to draw out was to ask you how you stumbled across this challenge that retailers faced was it being in the industry yourself or was it. You're as a consumer trying to create experience that you prefer that you did not see out there. It was the latter actually so as a consumer by all sorts of things all the time and I had all these frustrating experiences where I would buy the product that I knew I wanted or would have stripe strike of inspiration for something that I really wanted and I was like. Oh that's cool Then I'd buy it but then there was this whole like after-sale struggle that I I couldn't figure out how to be the most successful with that product and then I would have to sit in my closet or I would return it or sometimes I miss my return window but then like now ended up using it in donate it. I don't throw my stuff away. And but a lot of people do could end up in a landfill and that just bummed me out because I spent the money on at the time by it and if I wasn't able to kind of be successful in success depends on what product you're talking about right so of course. This shirt success means like wearing it outside and getting compliments on. Hopefully if it's a you know a couch it means like it's in my living room and I feel good about the way it looks. A couch is really hard to return. So if you buy a couch and you didn't really think through how was all going to work and it's like in your living room now and you like I could return this giant thing and spend a whole bunch of money doing it and time and effort or I could just learn to live with it find. Maybe you learn to live with it. But you don't love that couch and you don't love Clear apartment so you sort of have this negative feeling towards the brand that sold to you might feel like Oh like. I don't know if I'M GONNA buy anything from them anymore. So essentially I had that experience. My life is a consumer more often than I was comfortable with and I was like you know whoever selling me this couch knows how to it look good. Why didn't I get that information? And when I started looking into why wasn't getting this guidance from the brands and retailers telling me products all the time. That's when I realized there's this big bottle lack that all the people who work there one. Give me this information. They just have a bunch of stuff on their plate. And they don't have all the time in the world to create a complete furniture steph every single product in their store. Bright THAN DOC. Changes from time to time they get new products in the seasons. Change like there's so much variance in the world. They couldn't possibly keep up with it. It's not really their fault but it doesn't really solve the problem that I'm not going to feel great about this brand if I buy a couch and I don't love it or if I return something or if I just don't buy it in the first place because I'm like well normally now. When he got that much use out of it absolutely. I always love. When makers experiences are directly inform what they deal with On I just wonder what then were the challenges you faced as you started building. Let's say the earlier versions of Fine Mine and then started having carbon relations with these enterprise companies that now became your clients. What were some of the challenges of just trying to better understand the other side of the table? I think that once I figured out that the retailers and brands have this problem became a lot easier for. Initially we were trying to solve it directly for the consumer were like. Oh Yeah I guess I do have that problem. They were really really willing to do anything about it so like they. Weren't you know having them? Download an APP or take or sign up for new service or new subscription was hard because consumers are kind of like fickle changing. Their behavior is challenging. I think more the tricks is such an amazing company. They actually got a massive amount of customers at scale to change their behavior in by through the subscription service but that doesn't work for everyone in all the people who are sticks customers probably still shop at other places so the realization was really like you have to meet the consumer weather at let them shop in however they want shop you know whatever method or channel or whatever you sue and just meet them at that place with the guidance and help and when I figured that out that I started asking the retailers and brands hey like why can't I get this. You know guidance when I'm shopping online or when I'm in your store and I can't find a store associate wise in their way. I can like learn more information about these products and how to use them and everyone was sort of like. Yeah of course. We'd like to be able to do that more often. But you know reality is a factor. Here we don't have the time or the manpower to do that. And so they sort of confirmed that the problem was the bottleneck of of manual effort. And that's where artificial intelligence is very very valuable or automation and generals very very. When they're sort of like a bottleneck goes of human effort. And what's really interesting? Is that the thing that we do is scale out human effort. That's very creative. Barring point has to be a human human has to you know like set the vision for what this fashion brand stands for and how we would define style and what we wouldn't wouldn't do or what. The rules of the road are for this beauty regimen. That's GonNa make you up ten years younger to like put on a certain order. You can't combine these things during the day. You have to have one for doing one for night. So all of that stuff has to be sort of divined by the human but then you can apply those same like paradigm all the rest of the products and repeat it. A billion times in a way require human the human sets off the process but they don't have to repeat it a million times you can hand it off to a machine to repeat it. You Know The fiftieth through millions time and then the human can go back to doing their creative process and setting up the next thing for success. Yes that's incredible. I think it's also like a important reminder of the fact that as powerful as ai and machine learning is right now. It's not anywhere near the point where it could just immediately at instantaneously start replacing human roles right and so to your point you have to actually understand the human processes and an perhaps you know the nuances within that brand and then you can find a way to create that process for it. Is that right? That's right and I don't think that you would ever use machine learning necessarily to do the whole humans job. You still need them to set off or vision Because they're the ones who are defining what is the brand stand foreign. What is unique expertise? And I feel like it's GonNa be a long time before human consumers are willing to take that cue from an Ai. Engine you know. Thi- and this is what's cool. I don't think I'm going to trust them. I'm going to trust a fellow human so that were long way from in my opinion. Sometimes you might not know instagram quote influencers who are completely long not real humans. This kind of interesting like play with that idea but I do believe that. There's like a point to having the person involved at the beginning of the process but there is very little point to having a person like repeat the same thing a million times that the poor use of a human's time that's really where a has the power to be revolutionary in at least in the space that we're talking about. It's not taking anybody's job because the person to do the work and nobody's creating a million outfits by hand in these organizations it's just not feasible so they weren't doing in any way they were doing other stuff and so it's actually just completely accretive rather than displacing somebody function. Yes absolutely. Thanks so much for sharing that today show is supported by remote health from safety wing remote. How is the first global health insurance built specifically for remote teams and entrepreneurs attract talent from anywhere in the world under one simple plan at the same price? No matter where they live or work. Sign up your company in about ten minutes and easily at remote employees at anytime checkout safety wing Dot com forward slash remote hyphen. Help for more information protect your customers from fraud and identity theft with embiid. Id a front end talk insurance. You collect the right data during account opening for identity verification and every country. With truly you embed. Id All you have to do is copy and paste a snippet of code to verify the glow. Make sure you only let the good guys in while keeping the bad guys at bay but on boarding verified customers visit truly you dot com forward slash get embed. Id That's T. R. U. L. I. O. Dot Com forward slash get E. M. B. Id now what? I think is super unique about your business. Of course you're talking about automation. Leveraging Machine Learning. You're working with enterprise clients and although the retailers they still go across a few verticals whether it's street wear or sportswear Or even as you mentioned earlier homegoods and I just wanted to kind of zoom out a bit and get a bit of your strategic insight around prioritization and product development with your product because I know a lot of makers are community similar to you are serving B2B audience. And I just wondered if you had any insight on how you're able to prioritize what was on the fine mind product roadmap in light of the fact that you are dealing with clients. That aren't always in the same industry or don't always face the same challenges so it'd been building on a platform in building out solutions that will be valuable to all of them without narrowing yourself too much. Was there any like learnings that you got along the way or any advice you can share on that front. Yeah so. This is an area that I felt really comfortable in because my career had been as a product manager and doing that. Trade off than stakeholder alignment and trying to make sure everyone was happy but not building something so custom that it's unrecognizable or scalable. So from the very beginning I had my. I'll not making sure that that wasn't the case. In the everything was extensible enough. And so what we have now like. We had to add new features for our platform for new customers coming on. We had never seen before so one of our clients is Adidas and they have like sporting team apparel. So you never wear like a Lakers Jersey with warriors Pants it just doesn't make any sense. Reverse system didn't know that was like a thing to look at teen. It might pair those two things together and that's completely inappropriate so we had to add that but it wasn't like we were just adding only This is going to use it. Actually as a feature that makes total sense and is extensible to number of different use cases so bright might not be for another brand might not be The Lakers in the warriors. It might be like an influencer and like another influence our you know. You don't WanNa like Arianna Guerande collection mixing with Zendaya collection. You have separate so it became this kind of more extensible concept because we could think through. Okay here's how brandon would use it in BBC Brandy and there was enough like a. Lotta people could have a benefit from this that it's worth building into the core of our platform. None of of course like grown we have big clients and they spend a lot of money on our software and so the bigger accounts get to expect some level of customization but we build that into our contracts right certain sat amount of hours from developed development hours or professional services to do things that are really custom or one offs for them. But we're covering our bases because were limiting that number based on like the size of the contract and then they're getting like their top priorities met but they don't get anything in everything that they could come up with derail us from our core mission and they don't want that either because they derailed from our core mission the value of what we're doing is not as good Whereas if we can focus on the core of what we're doing can move forward like actual will value proposition that we dry for them which is making more money. They ended up better off in the long run. Even if they didn't get this bell or whistle that is super accustomed to them. So it's a good way to split the difference amazing. I feel like you've framed that really well as well because it's not really a concession. If the client is still ultimately growing their bottom line or solving the problem that they came to you for so like as you said all the bells and whistles even necessary and I think that's definitely one of the challenges that makers have to face when they start engaging in partnership discussions with enterprise sales cycle is so long. You know six months. You're still building a product alongside. You really want to close the deal. You have a long term relationship with these companies. I wanted to just get some insight. I know you're very much product focused but being founder being the CEO. Of course you're GONNA do a ton of that business development stuff to is there any advice you can give makers out there listening who are also building a solution for enterprise about how to not get discouraged when trying to close their first big deals on the one hand? I feel like I don't have great advice on this because I think we got really lucky. We closed amazing. Clients like incredibly quickly allows considered but actually the way we got. There was kind of a crawl. Walk Run so right. I think you have to constantly keep moving so you should be maybe pitching the big guns one you really want to sell to eventually and it depends on your business. Like we're focused. Purely on the enterprise were not you know smaller brands or retailers and that was like a strategic choice. So That's you yeah pitch for you know the city banks and the home depots and the you know alliens like the big companies that you really WanNa go for 'cause maybe there's one that takes chance on you. A lot of them are becoming much more innovative and startup focused. And if nothing else you're GONNA learn a lot. That's your customer development learn what features are important. Your alarm with the pushback is GonNa get closer to that. Product Market Fit. But you're probably not going to close any of them until you have a couple of things under your belt and right roller way further downstream. Find someone where it's much lower risk than these giant corporations and have a proof of concept or have a case study in the worker. What you'd like us. That case study to go sell the next slightly bigger more prestigious more complicated enterprise on your software and then use that to sell the next in the next new daisy chain them together and eventually you get. Citibank to come to the table. Because you have enough proof points that you can justify it because there's just a whole bunch of headaches involved in selling enterprise gift to do a procurement in legal very stringent security reviews like it might not be worth it because you don't have things in place and you're GonNa have to pay a whole bunch of money for a pen test and potentially stopped you compliance and stuff like that and like if you sold to A small organization just to get the case studies in staff Even if it's less revenue revenue than you're not going to encounter all of those hurdles and you'RE GONNA. He'd studied that helps you sell the bigger brand on your ability to serve them. So just keep moving forward. I would say you have two parallel path. It and don't get discouraged. Just custody bank is buying what you're selling yet. That's such great advice. I love that you know that phrase used like pursuing an unparalleled going together at the same time pushing for those big huge multinational company deals but then also aiming for clients who as you said have fewer boxes to tick internally in order for them to start working with a new company Seeing the other side of the table what. The different hurdles are that they have to causes always really helpful thing to remember. So it's like not always discouraging. It's more a fact that these are as he said like regulatory or legal requirements that they have to fulfil in the frustration of those that they take time but at the same time. Maybe just doesn't make sense reused maker to work with them if you have like a bigger time constraint or whatever I also thought it might be helpful to just get you to talk a bit about the website so you know I spent some time on fine dot com website and I have to say like there is an incredible amount of information on their incredible amount of case studies. I just feel like all the information. All the use cases I could possibly think of as a potential client are all carefully illustrated for me. This must've been really mindful decision on your part having heard in conversations and having been in conversations with potential partners. Yeah we just redid it. Actually recently and before it was not very clear We have the blessing curse of being a new a technology in a new category. That people are just waking up to so it's really exciting because more really defined it dominated. It's not super competitive and commoditised so we have a really strong opportunity to be the leader in fact we are the leader. We've received multiple awards from like well respected companies organizations for what we do and are starting to realize oh shoot like my expertise brand is a really unique competitive advantage. I need to make sure I scare out but at the same time. People don't necessarily always know they have a problem or the severity of the problem that they have or how to tackle it. And our technology is an engine that can d- bottleneck content creation process to guide the customer in any channel. So there's kind of like endless used cases so you get a little bit of analysis paralysis from the customer. Sometimes where they're like okay. I believe there's a problem that's half the battle. I believe it's a bigger problem for me to like. Do something about it. I believe fine lines the way to go about it but I don't even know how to start using you guys right. Be Very prescriptive in. Help them see okay. If this is your number one place that content is bottle? Necking you or that. Your customer is not understanding how to use your products in. It could be hurting you. Let's start here and let's do like this one small use case and prove it out or we might be talking to a CMO. Who's like yeah? Our brand has great. You know authority and expertise but it all falls apart in like all these channels and it needs to be consistent. We want the whole package solve across all these cases. We kind of have to like lead people to water a little bit and show that not. Only here's the problem. This is an existential threat to your business than we go from being like a nice to have. I don't even know what this is too. Oh my God this is the number one thing I need to do this year but how I do it I need some help with and we have to put one foot in front of the other. Four them it's honestly it's so funny because like our whole our whole mission in life is to help the buyer You know the consumer usually understand how to be successful at the product that they're buying and that's exactly the thing we have to do. More selling to an enterprise. There are her they have less information about how to be successful with are fine mind technology than we do and we have to close that gap for them. It's like so full circle. It's just ironic. It's very Meta amazing. But Yeah I would definitely encourage makers out there especially ones who like you are innovating in a new frontier. The problem rather like the existential threat. If that is the problem is necessarily a common narrative that already exists in that space. I would definitely encourage folks to just check out fine. Mine Dot Com. Because I think you've done a really great job of illustrating the problem from two different angles than than sort of explaining how your solution can fit in to all of them so yeah. It's really really good now. I don't have a ton of time so I just wanted to get you before you jump off to share some of your favorite products being product. We always ask for recommendations. Maybe it's the tools that your team rely on. Maybe it's something fun that never leaves your handbag or your obsessive at home but yeah. This is your time for personal recommendations autumn while I'm pregnant. I'm due on Sunday ahead along. I think we're products right. Now are like baby things that I think are genius so amazing one APP is called baby lists like a universal baby registry and I have a bunch of reviews and guides and things like that another thing I think is awesome and I haven't used it yet because we haven't had our baby but is the called the hatch grow. It's a changing table like we put it on top of any kind of Dresser countertop. And it's a little like peanut shape thing that you put the baby into change the baby but it's also scale so you can How much your baby's growing and you don't have to like have another device in your house or something like that. I'm all about things that can be used for multiple purposes -partment so those are some of my favorite thing so far. That's so exciting. Yeah I feel like well. I'm godmother so I have totally gotten involved with buying baby products and there's so much stuff out there like when we were kids. I was just like Oh my gosh look at this night light. Look at this cool thing. Look this league drum set. There's a ton of cool could products out there. Thanks so much for sharing your favorite recommendations for those who are listening and maybe WanNa find out more about fine mine more about you. Where should they go find? Mine Dot Com. That's our website and finally then probably most active on social media in pretty abysmal tweeting but You can follow fine. Us on twitter. It's a bit more active than I am. And thanks for having me. Thanks so much for being on product on radio show everyone thank you so much for tuning into product. Hunt Radio. I've got a favor to ask you. Will you take a minute to review us on ITUNES APPLE PODCAST or wherever? You're listening to US right. Now thank you thanks for tuning. We'll be back next week. But in the meantime shared the podcast. Your friends on twitter and tag. I guess you'd like to hear an episode. See you soon.

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This is War

37:24 min | 1 year ago

36 | Hunt

"Whether they were confused about what was going on I don't know but the colonel is escaping and his guys opened up fire on the tanks choices opened and closed doors to our futures. They can both helped define who we are and hold us accountable to the person we want to be most important though they can't ever be on made once Andrew Hunt chose to join the national guard. All all of his decisions were based on honoring his oath but what he would come to discover is that living up to your choices means accepting the person who made them. I immediately just grab my M._16. And I crawled on top of the tank and I start opening and fire on this truck I dump a full magazine. Drop that one reload and I'm firing and I'm like I can't believe trucks. I stopped him. What is true bravery? What makes the hero a hero tested by the worries of what's happening at home thousands of miles away and the reality of what you're facing here and now when your life is in danger every second and it's either kill or be killed and original podcast from incongruity media? This is Anthony Rousseau so war. The main appeal of the National Guard especially to high schoolers is that it offers a taste of military life money for college and even a paycheck in exchange change for a part time commitment. Lots of people also talk about how it leaves career options open for you while you pursue a military one but Andrew Hunt wasn't thinking that far or that deeply I was an honor student. I was seventeen eighteen years old. I wasn't quite sure if I wanted to go to college or what but I knew that <hes> the military be good way to fund that <hes> my father was was good with it. My mother on the other hand was very concerned about my choice. She had some pretty pretty big reservations about signing off on me joining and was adamant on speaking with the recruiter his big emphasis of course at the time it was at the Vermont National Guard hadn't been deployed since the Korean conflict. The first sergeant in the unit hunt would be joining was a family friend whose own son already was enlisted plus the appeal the National Guard holds for graduating high schoolers can't be overstated it checks off the what are you doing after graduating box without committing them to a definite track both college and the military remain on the table while you get an extra year or two to really get a sense of what you WanNa do of course that's a twentieth century perspective of the National Guard not long after hunt joined. There was a significant change in what was entailed in in a national guard enlistment. I was sitting in my pre law class in my senior year. We were notified about the plane striking the tower. Turn on the T._v.. And we're watching it and actually watched the second plane hit the towers. I had gone to the first half Alpha basic training in the summer of two thousand one in between my junior and senior year I immediately got on the phone to the National Guard armory just to make sure that there was nothing that we need to do and I was told that you know everybody was just kinda hanging out at the armory waiting there was no need for me to go there. They would call me if if they needed me. I don't know if we really realized that the time near the future impact it would have but we knew that it was not a good outlook as far as something was going to be taken place as hunt graduated and went to finish basic training. It's still was an odd time. The war in Afghanistan Afghanistan was underway but didn't yet seem intractable and we were only hearing the first rumblings about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and basic training hunt was learning everything he needed to know to engage in twentieth century tank warfare including how to identify by Chinese and Russian tanks. It's important to remember that what would become the war on terror was still taking shape but in the meanwhile the apparatus that is the U._S.. National Guard was still functioning as it always had hung earliest orders were to prepare for a peacekeeping mission to Bosnia but when those orders were cancelled he began to suspect something bigger was up ahead. It was like okay so we're going to Bosnia in Iraq just kind of had started up <hes> and then when those orders were stood down. It was kind reality. Check like Oh okay so there's some potential for us to be going elsewhere. It was kind of just a Oh crap moment like okay. This is kind of getting real now but it was still not as real because we didn't know what was coming down the pike back in the summer of two thousand four. We were there for our one weekend a month the readiness N._C._O.. Was Up kind of addressing the company advising were preparing for deployment and he said but I'M GONNA call off listen names and if I call you off I need you to stand off to the side of formation. My name was one of thirteen that was called and we were notified that the company was deploying to Kuwait and that the thirteen of US had been chosen to deploy with a different battalion alien from northern Vermont and that <hes> we we should just basically standby and prepare for orders coming down from from up north. That was a even more of an Oh crap moment because you know if these guys were going to Kuwait you know knowing that Kuwait was kind of the was the safe zone <hes> we have feeling that either Afghanistan Iraq was in line for us. Those guys actually deployed in November of two thousand four to Kuwait and then I didn't get the call to report for orders to Iraq until until December of two thousand and four what separated Hunt and the other twelve soldiers from the rest remains a mystery. It wasn't all tankers. There are other M._O._S.'s mixed in but in the end it didn't really matter he was twenty one years old and working as a police police officer a job he had for about three weeks before he got the news that he'd be deploying for a year unlike many of those who came after him hunt had an enlisted in the military specifically to fight and so there were mixed emotions. It's a combination of apprehension engine and excitement that really just melds into resolve. The idea is whether you want to go or not is immaterial. You have a job to do and people who are counting on you to do it yeah so we we deployed from the United States and went to Kuwait I we landed and can't bearing <hes> late June of two thousand and five to <hes> Iraq in early July two thousand and five where we were stationed at <hes> camp are Ramadi for the next twelve months we were flown in by helicopter. It would have been cool if it had been daylight and we were not scared out of our minds I think one thirty all of us kind of packed in there the cargo ebbing guys throwing up in the plane because of the the combat maneuvers that they do when they're flying over Iraq we were there for maybe a week or so and then they they put us all on Chinooks. It was nighttime when we got loaded on and so we couldn't see much we we were looking at the windows. All we could see was you know just house lights and whatnot and there's like a door gun around the back and it's kind of like okay. This is real. You know we're these guys have live ammo were flying into an actual combat zone. We have no idea what to expect. No ended up landing in this base in the nighttime and really did not have any sort of Barings as to where we were the basic like anything like that would hunt would come to discover was at the base was pretty much as he would have expected except maybe even a little dusty or as a tanker his assignment was going to be providing overwatch which was equal parts boring and critical replacing the regular army was less tense than he would have expected given that there was some parody issues between the branches in retrospect he said had they probably were so happy to be heading home that they didn't care what company relieved them. We were in an old <hes> Iraqi Republican Guard barracks that we were actually living in and my bunk was near the window. I just happened to be kind of looking outside. We weren't under the attack at the time there was no no incoming fire the time when I happen to be looking out and I actually saw rocket <hes> come into the base and strike <hes> somebody outside of our Chow Hall there was a guy there and then there wasn't a guy there so I you know I I knew what had happened. Although you know there's nothing that I was going to be able to do and I was in the Baruch so we sheltered in place and and it was you know pretty terrifying knowing that we weren't really safe on our own base seeing this guy who was walking away from the Chow Hall and ends up dying as a result of rocket fire just because he happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. You're in a quote unquote non-hostile area while you're in the base but these guys with with the incoming fire you just. Never knew from that point on. I really was kind of nervous. I mean obviously I had to leave the building because I had to go to the bathroom and I had to go take a shower and eat chow and whatnot I mean it was just a reality that anything can happen anytime and there's nothing you could really do while you're on the base to protect yourself but we did could get over our fears. You know I can remember guys that I was in the unit with that were sunbathing on top of the roof at one point <hes> and then we also had like a pickup softball game that we played outside so it wasn't like for the year that we were hair just would run to the tanks and then roll out and then run back into the barracks. It was just always reality. It was always there which is kind of a you know. It's a crazy thing you know to to have that in your mind all the time and you never know if you're going to just from walking outside if you're going to be your last moment living under the constant threat of attack is one of the more difficult things to imagine and not just because there's no rhyme or reason to the assault but because they are both sporadic and relentless seeing the after-effects recovering the dead and wounded. That's something that stays with you but it more makes you angry than afraid in Iraq in the summer. You don't forget that it's hot but you get used to it. You can't get used to rocket attacks and mortar attacks that way. They're still loud and elicit a physical reaction action would you can get used to ignoring the concern for your own safety recognizing that you won't be ready when the last piece of ordinance you encounter goes off you just focus on the job at hand so day to day the unit that I was in. We were put with a cavalry unit out of Pennsylvania. Our mission was to man to observation posts along M._S. are mobile to ensure safe travel for the convoys that would go up through as well as the citizens that traveled along the hundreds and thousands thousands of cars that drone on that highway everyday it was hard because you know being an tank you're so used to the training of tank on tank or going out and patrolling and whatnot so this was kind of a different mission than what we were expecting all along long kind of rotated through the different positions on the tank but the days that I was the gun around the tank you look through the site you can only spin around so many times and there's only so much you can look at one time a lot of times what we would do is that the governor would actually come out of the governor seat and the governor in the tank commander would ball all kind of have their heads up out of the hatch or they'd be looking through periscopes and that way you can get a broad view of what's going on rather than the <hes> narrow perspective of looking to the gunner site it was hard to I guess be engaged. Although there you know we were in a pretty the active spot so the insurgency like to keep us on our toes around there you know with I._A._D.'s with random pop shots going off at at the tanks <hes> or the Humvees also a v. i.. D.'s and you know R._p._G.'s so it was <hes> knowing that anything can happen at any time but it was easy to get complacent. If you allow that to happen is worth noting that especially at this stage in the Iraq war there weren't many safer places to be in that country than inside in American tank that said it is also one of the more frustrating places to be no matter how expose the tank God getting three hundred sixty degree view is just impossible in that you can't look everywhere at once there is no level of vigilance that can account for the fact that there is always way more to look at than you ever can possibly see as haunt would come to discover even if you find a way to stave off complacency. You can't overcome chance beyond the wire. Everyone has their own job to do and executing it even perfectly guarantees nothing about safety or victory but you don't take jobs to be safe or really even to be victorious. You take the job to live up to the responsibility you set out for yourself to meet your own demands and to exceed your own expectations. What can be tough about that? Though is that no one can stop you from accepting responsibility. If you decide to take a you feel pretty pretty invincible in the tank. That's a nice comfort to have especially when you're in a war zone and where you know you see Humvees getting blown up and people dying as a result of I._A._D.'s or AK fire whatnot you know being in Humvee. It was the sense of security being inside added this giant chariot basically we'd get random riflefire that would paying off the tank or off the bridge near we were because one of our observation posts was actually on an overpass over top of the highway. Another one was in the median. Those are the two tanks would occupy hi <hes> for our four observation posted. Our unit was responsible for you know I was in the tank. We took an R._p._G.. To the side of the tank one day we're in the tank were in the Turret. We would go with a modified crew sitting out on the observation posts we would run with a three-man crew. Were typically. You have a four. The tank is seventy tonnes <hes>. It's a very well armored vehicle right so you get somebody that that shoots at you even within R._P._G.. It was loud. It made an explosion Kinda rocked the tank a little bit but honestly there was like we kind of looked at each other and we're like what was that that sound like an r._p._G.. Didn't do any damage to the tank and actually hit one of our ballistic plates <hes> on the side of the tank to covered the tracks and so that it literally put a little scratching the paint and so we're like okay we just got shot shot at and so then we start to traverse the turnaround looking to see where the hell it came from but we never able to find the source of I can't say we were scared about it. We were we were just like holy. Shit we just got shot at and now we gotta find out where the Hell it came from but we can never find the source. The soldiers were intentionally exposed. There was no effort a camouflaged because the object was to intimidate anyone who might try. I'm berry an I._D.. Or sabotage the road in some other way sure it made them vulnerable to attack but the attacks our life life and death bets that the insurgency were forced to make the price for a failed harassment might be high but the cost for successful one was nothing even though they had three hundred sixty degree field of view as hunt set himself. You can't can't look all around at the same time it just wasn't possible to catch everything so they had this. They call that mobile wrench. It was <hes> that was their observation posts and that's that's what they're call. Sign was in it would be this M._e._d._A.. Those sitting out there responding funding to broke down vehicles or you know vehicles that were too too heavily damaged via I._D.. Or whatever <hes> to be able to get back to the FOB on under under their own power so they would respond out in tow vehicle back to back to the FOB so <hes> these guys were in their observation posts area which was by the soccer field that was below our our observation posts the tank manned and <hes> the commander and I were were Kinda. Send their talking keeping an eye out for things and <hes> we heard just one single round and said that was a gunshot we look around. We're trying to figure it out. We call it up. He was the governor on there. He was also mechanic and a <hes> a sniper shot him. I'm thirty yards out in front of our tank but down a hill jumped out of a vehicle lined up shot him under the arm just under above where his ballistic vest stopped and where his you know the the one that went over his arm started burden so this was a guy who was also Vermont National Guard Guy and the round went in and proved to be fatal and we we. I think we took that pretty hard knowing that we were up above them. The you always play that in your mind that there I should've been looking over there in reality <hes>. Could we have seen that guy. Yes we were looking at the right place at the right time but you know it was one of those at least I personally personally took it as I myself for a little while without with you know it's my responsibility be looking out I was I was in the governor's capacity that day. <hes> I'm in the I'm in the literacy and I'm looking around. I should have seen this and matters of life and indepth facts. Just aren't that helpful. It's a fact that hunt didn't miss the sniper. He was just looking elsewhere when the sniper took his opportunity just as they couldn't predict direct attacks on their tank and often couldn't respond to them for lack of direction the same holds true for the landscape surrounding them in Iraq especially because of sensitivity to civilian casualties it took a muzzle flash and a guy with a gun to justify a response flash is the operative word here. The barrel of a weapon in the blink light are the only clues and picking them out can be unreasonably difficult. All of those are facts. The fact is no one thinks hunt should have been looking where the sniper was when he popped up but the fact that it wasn't in his responsibility is meaningless because he felt like it was and it was a weight that he would carry to the end of the war and hunt had plenty of war left in front of him. There are several times where I went out in a Humvee. I volunteered. On tiered to <hes> be on this group that would go down on Humvees and we were actually train Iraqi highway patrolman. You know I was like a tank crewmen but I'm not doing tank crewmen duties and I want to be out doing something. I WanNa make you know make a difference over here. They took a bunch us that were National Guard guys that were in law enforcement. We had this mission to train and prepare Iraqi highway patrolman to basically operate in a law enforcement capacity in a hostile area. You never quite knew what to expect with these guys because one I didn't speak speak Arabic so we would always have a translator with us. <hes> we would always go down we would meet with the kernel that ran that police station and then we'd go out and do some sort of training with his guys are translator said you know a couple of different times. There's something not right about that colonel and this guy that was with us. He was an Iraqi native that that was now a U._S.. Citizen but he was like there's something not right about this guy but I can't put a finger on it you know and so we knew to be apprehensive about them because we know that there was people that were infiltrating law enforcement military that that were you know insurgency. We always had a kind of a heightened eight and level of security but we were down there to job and it was to train these guys because for the ones that wanted to do the police work in actually be there for legitimate reason they are trying to make their country a better place. This was kind of my way of like okay now. I'm doing something that kind of matters other than sitting on observation posts right so we train these guys in all sorts of stuff out of control somebody that you get outta vehicle and and if they get squirrelly on you how to flop to the crown and take action on them properly <hes> how to search a vehicle from a distance initially looking for obvious signs of E._D.. <hes> or or a suicide bomber and what to look for and then how to control the driver and you know if something goes sideways here to how to react kind of one of those if if it looks shady and the guys now following your commands you gotTa Take Action and you're going to have to most likely engage engaged the subject because if you don't it could be you and everybody else's here. That's not gonNA survive this because you don't know what's in that vehicle. This could be your life you know or or one of your coworkers lives. You know that's at risk here and you know this is a very serious thing and we're GONNA very dangerous. Area one of the really mind-bending ways survivor's guilt grabs hold as by reminding us how different our lives would be we just made one different choice. Of course that's the kind of thing that recurs his back into itself until infinity but when you're in it when there's that first inkling that had you done something different everything about your life very well may have been changed. It can stick with you on had applied for permanent reassignment to the platoon that was working with the Iraqi police and doing their regular patrols in the humvees. His request was denied so even if he wasn't on mid tour leave he couldn't have helped when they came under attack yeah later on down the line there had been an attack on on an observation posts the company <hes> was in charge them and it was the the the L._p.. Right next to the police station the Humvee that was up on the observation posts at the time was actually the one that I had requested to join and beyond the truck with and <hes> <hes> these two guys snuck up up onto the observation posts and <hes> the shot the governor on the on the truck through the back just under his body armor with an AK and he yells grenade and dives jobs out of vehicle <hes> their grenade goes off in it kills the driver in the truck and then the the truck commander who had become pretty close with he was a police chief from New Hampshire on he and I had hit it off really well and he's kind of the reason why I had had requested it well on the trucks with them so he took an AK around in the head <hes> he he was basically dead on scene. <hes> they revived him and they got him back and out of there he's still alive. He's not himself <hes> he's got severe brain injuries as a result of the gunfire but to get back to the colonel the <hes> so they call up there under attack and the tanks <hes> for my platoon rolled out of their observation posts and began to respond down there and there was a truck <hes> the belong to the H._p.. Station that was driving out through while the there was a guy on the back of the truck with with a rifle that also also an opening up fire on coalition forces the tanks responded <hes> and they shot the truck with with with a tank round and it turns out it was the colonel and a group of his guys that were fleeing from there and they opened up a we don't know why they opened fire whether they were dirty whether they were confused about what was going on. I don't know but the colonel was escaping and his guys opened fire on the tanks <hes> so they were they were dealt with accordingly the the attack meant the end of training the highway patrol it had been goodwill volunteer effort and even though the police officers who were members of the National Guards still were up for it the potential for attacks like that where beyond the mission set in the end command decided it wasn't wasn't worth it to try and train Iraqi highway patrolman leaving the training of the regular army and police to the soldiers whose mission it actually was when hunt got back from mid tour leave he would return to a new way of doing things and a reimagining of the tankers mission uh-huh Andrew Hunt had spent the first week of his mid tour leave getting to know a woman in the coast guard he had met online while in Iraq he spent the second week with his family. A who remarked upon a solemness he exhibited but said he didn't feel when he returned to Iraq it was to a more somber company that had the same resolution that he did as tankers increasingly was important to try and make a real difference in the fight and there was a certain certain frustration at just being a presence but eventually they would find their way to be a different kind of deterrent yeah so I mean one of our big mission was so we had a huge issue on our section of S._R.. With with ideas being placed one of our her goals with the tank was to get as little afoul of opportunity for them to say eighties as possible so one of our missions that we you know we decided we were going to do we got authorization to was <hes> we took our tank and we crushed a couple miles worth guardrail down the side <hes> both sides of the highway <hes> and that was they replacing ideas on the back side of it so we we knocked down the guardrail you know on both sides a highway way to prevent the insurgency from being able to plant anything behind them <hes> and it made things a little more miserable so that was really that was one of the probably the more important things that we got to do you know patrols on the highway they were here and they're like you know you'd see something suspicious or a vehicle that matched a bowl or whatever and you'd stop it. Being in the tank. We weren't dismounting like the guys in the trucks that we were kind of pulling overwatch but it was nice to be out there and actually Kinda flex around the muscle power of having the tanks a little bit more of a deterrent people to you. Try a mess with a patrol because tank was there a tanks strength and its weakness come from its is sure they're hard to kill and they can get up a serious head of steam but from a dead stop they can be unwieldy and their lack of mobility easily it can be used against them by an insurgency using suicide tactics just as hunted told the Iraqi highway patrolman back when he was training them given that you don't know vehicles real trajectory it makes the most sense to err on the side of protecting yourself itself and your guys if there's any question there's a tank commander from another unit became over to basically fill in for when I want to thank commanders is on leave. He did things differently than than our tank crews were used to doing we pull up in the observation post when we shut down the engine and he he reaches over over in shuts off the hydraulics and I said wide shut the hydraulics often he says while I don't like the sound of the hydraulics kicking on every ten or fifteen minutes gives me headache so I shot him off and I said well not really comfortable without because we've got to be able to traverse the turnaround. He goes well. If we we we come into something I'll flicking on real quick. 'cause we always shut the engine down because the tank running up there you can't hear anything so if we could hear small-arms fire we'd be able to at least try to figure out where it was coming from and we'd leave the hydraulics on so that way we can move the turn around we could respond to things with with their weaponry if we needed to but <hes> we always shut the end announced what we'd be able to hear things that we're going on. <hes> this is the one and only time I think I was out on the tank with this guy and sure enough something came up like so we're we're on this observation post I and this pickup truck pulls off the highway and pulls into kind of the entrance area to come up on the overpass where where we were to get up onto the observation posts and it's a pickup truck and it's got this huge like water container on the back and there's these big signs up down there in Arabic. Say do not enter you. We'll be shot. You know whatever this interchanges in radically different from one you might see on a U._S.. Interstate with the overpass being the kind of car would use to change from going northbound to southbound with a steep. Bangel approach this truck comes up through and starts going through our serpentine and the crazy thing was our drivers on that actually spotted him because I was looking out up on the highway and the drivers like guys wiser. There's like a pickup truck driving up here at us and I'm like what do I jump up and that's when I see this thing driving up the driveway and I'm like Oh my God the main gun on the tanks pointing in the complete opposite almost opposite direction so by the time the hydraulics kicked on and I would have been able to get an over there the guy I would you know the trump would have been right up on us and you can manually traverse the tank but that takes even longer so you know so it was like I'm GonNa <hes>. We're going to get blown up by this V._I._p.. Because this idiot wanted to shut the tank off through my helmet on on jumped out on top of the tank and I'm laying out prone and I just I start opening fire on this truck <hes> as it's coming up the driveway at us and I'm yelling at him to flick the hydraulics on and I just dump a full magazine drop that one reload and I'm I'm firing and we're headed downward angle at the roadway coming up through and it continues to drive up doing everything I can. You know I'm aiming at the driver's side window. I'm aiming at the <hes> the windshield just trying to put rounds comes in and and killed this guy driving here at us because I had I knew I'm like if this guy reaches us were dead. We don't know what's going on. We're you know the tank commander now at that point you know he's calling it out. You know the things coming up on us. He opened up fire with his sixteen. I don't I can't remember if even ever return on the hydraulics or not. The driver fired up the tank which was the good thing because that gets everything going anyway. I think I put sixty or eighty rounds down at this truck and he fired maybe a magazine or so and I'm like I can't believe it struck nonstop and I'm just firing rounds and firing rounds and firing rounds and finally the truck stops and I'm continuing to shoot because the trucks not moving and then as backing up real slow with the tank now operational it wouldn't have taken much effort to destroy the truck but no longer had an aggressive posture still they couldn't decide if it was a suicide bomber who had lost his nerve or if having been mortally wounded the attacker was waiting for the soldiers to come out and check to see if he was dead but as a cure who arrived to take the situation in hand the answer was not one anyone was expecting so the patrol and the Q._R. F- come out and this truck kind of just back down off R. O. P. and turns around and starts to drive away and we were like that is the weirdest just fucking thing I've ever seen in my life so what happened was. He pulled around the back side of this building. We couldn't see the truck anymore. He gets out of the truck and we shot him through the hands. So the rounds we're actually going into his hands in the steering wheel but nowhere else they said that every round like like went into the windshield and went down into the dashboard. We can't believe this guy still alive like we don't know how you guys didn't hit them. We don't know how because we were trying like hell. If I had one hundred twenty millimeter around that wouldn't have an issue that we would have blown the struck up now fortunately for this guy in the truck he was an old guy and he was disoriented and he wasn't from the area. He was like well. I used to be able to drive over that overpass all the time and I didn't think it was an issue in science and he was like yeah but I didn't think I was you know. I didn't think I was going to be a problem fortunately for us. It wasn't a V._D._i.. Unfortunately for that a guy all of our rounds angle we were shooting. They all went into his dashboard. The medics kind of patched them up and they said they questioned him for quite a while and then they sent him on his way because they realized he was no threat haunt had only a few weeks left before he got to go home and although he didn't killing innocent man the nearness of it bothered him just as win early on in his tour he wasn't able to accept the fact that there was nothing he could have done to save the mechanic killed by the sniper he couldn't reconcile how excited and justified he felt trying to kill a person who turned out to be just a harmless old man the facts where the same not only was he justified in opening fire there could have been no justification and waiting to see whether a beat up old pickup truck driven by a person ignoring the warning signs as well now is the gunfire was a bomb hunt tried to push these concerns to the back of his mind as he boarded the plane home and began that transition yeah it was surreal leaving there because all you know you go from one day taken. We're taking mortar fire. You got you know you don't know what's going to happen and then all of a sudden point you're done and that danger level is gone but you weren't really. You're not prepared for it to be gone. When I got home from Iraq we didn't have to report anywhere until I WANNA say August for our first national guardrail weekend back together and I actually had moved to Alaska in two thousand six in August because that girl that I had online that's where she lived and I thought it was a great idea to move up there? He's struggled with nightmares mostly in periods during in the day where he would be gone for a few seconds and back in Iraq thinking about the guy he failed to save and the when he failed to kill he knew he would have to get at least daydreaming under control if he were to safely return to being cop and his previous previous experiences with therapy weren't that helpful when he got back the army counselor he spoke to wasn't wearing a combat action badge and hunt didn't feel like they were connecting when he was in Alaska. He tried it again this time. His counselor was a Vietnam veteran. <hes> I reached out to the army one source which I don't even think isn't existence anymore but I reached out to them <hes> and they got me <hes> <hes> a bunch of free counseling <hes> from a local counseling place up up in Alaska so was my counselor up in Alaska he it was actually a Vietnam Bat and so I felt like I can open up a little bit more to He'd be oh he'd be more responsive and understand and could help me a little bit <hes> understand what what I was going through and how to address them so and really for me talking about things with him and not trying to hold things then was kind of what I needed because I didn't feel like I had anybody to talk to didn't WanNa scare. My family and I didn't WanNa talk to them about what I was experiencing. My girlfriend that I had moved up to Alaska for she just kept saying I was crazy and and she didn't we own. She didn't want to try and help me at all and so I felt pretty alone <hes> in trying to deal with it until I was able to get in with this counselor we identified what my what my my main issues right was that I was blaming myself for the death of the mechanic mechanic <hes> so that was my big one and then my other thing. Was You know the this guy driving up on the observation post like I had kind of regret that we opened up firing. I I was justified in doing what I was doing but I regretted opening fire on this guy because unlike some <music> old guy that we didn't know what was going on. He was disoriented. He's he he was up in Ramadi visiting family and like this is some somebody's data and somebody's grandfather potentially and here I am. I'm trying to kill this guy and he didn't even mean to be there like a huge. He's just a wrong place and to turn you know I was. I was pretty regretful <hes> about my intentions to kill this guy. Even though I was very much justified in doing what I was doing <hes> and so he talked me through that he was like well what what would happen if you didn't shoot guy and he he was a v._d._i.. We would have been dead and he was like well. We did the right thing <hes> unfortunately for him and he survived that was that was huge for me <hes> and honestly he also said that the the the the woman that I was involved in that relationship with was toxic for me and she was making probably things worse by her hair giving me a hard time about being crazy and whatnot. He says you need to get away from her. She's part of your issue so that was probably the best bit of advice that he gave aw hunt founders way back to Vermont he found another woman and got married and when his son was born he left the police force to make sure he got to spend as much time with him as possible. He's still has regrets and he's still wonders what if but in in a manageable way because talk about living life with no regrets aside the point of regret is to remind us that how we feel about our choices can help define US morally learning to reconcile what we did with what we wish we had done is an exercise and remembering that our choices our own but it isn't about whether they were the right choices it's only about whether they were choices that were made in good faith the next time on this war all of a sudden this just monstrous explosion goes up and I just watched the five hundred front immune drop to the right and <hes> I remember screaming I e D D. Are you combat veteran or do you know one with story to tell reach out to us at stories at this is war dot com with your dates andbranch service and a brief description of the experience that you'd like to share this is war was written by me Anthony Rousseau and produced used by incongruity media. 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MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE II - Part 1

"As, we are living through a pandemic caused by virus that has disrupted the world. The movie mission impossible to is even more relevant today as it celebrates its twentieth anniversary it's about a different virus set to be unleashed upon the world all to sell the antidote and. It's a love story to. Let's light this fuse. Hi, this is Tom Izzo and dance the vestry. By moving navigator, DOT, com, join us. Each episode is were cracking the code of spy movies subscribe to our show tell your friends about us and give us a great rating on your favorite. APP. We're going to break this podcast into two shorter parts so that we can cover everything and we have shorter podcast that some people have requested. Now Dan before we get into the nuts and bolts of this movie, there's A. Baretta in this movie yeah. I finally went to a shooting range in shot a Beretta for the first time last month. Cool. I'll tell you about that more at the end of this podcast. All right. 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So the movie opens in Sydney Australia was a pre title sequence that let's see a doctor working with a virus called. Chimera. The real goal for camera was to create a reason to have the antidote called Bella often. This happens before the film starts Dr Decor Vich injects himself with the virus and has twenty hours to travel to Atlanta for after you've been infected with camera for twenty hours. Nothing can save you not even Bolero now the timing of this is really tight. Yeah. Because there's no direct flight from Sydney to Atlanta. So you've got to go through Dallas done some research and that's that's a nineteen and a half hour commercial flight. Started when he injected himself, that's pretty bad. He's got to get to the airport get on a flight, get down and get to wherever he needs to get the Bolero. Fund. Pretty tight timing is this a short movie then Anyway we're GONNA give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he's doing. But as he walks out of the building in Sydney Australia, the scene fades to a group of kids playing and singing ring around the Rosie. This is intriguing. If. You believe one theory about this song. Until Tom Research this. I did not. I actually I thought the song was about black death or the great play because that's traditionally what you hear about. That's one theory. Yeah. With the plague supposedly a red circular rash would appear on the victim. Flowers or Posey's were used the either cover the smell of death or to ward off evil depending little nursery rhyme. Yeah. Depending on which theory. You read. A lot of nursery rhymes are like that. They're pretty weird. Anyway ashes ashes we all fall down. Hey, that's funny. Yeah kind of brings up the thought of cremation there. It's weird. So now here's where it gets interesting in looking into it. Numerous sources say this theory didn't become popular until after World War Two. For Song Who's known existence goes back to the late seventeen hundreds one would think this theory would have been popular before the war. Yeah. Also different cultures different wording which gives the black death plague theory some pause anyway Dr Nucor Vich leaves the building. This scene and song reinforced that camera is deadly and can be unleashed to cause massive unchecked debt very close to home these days on the plane doctrine decor, which is sitting next to Ethan Hunt who he is calling Dmitri now, Ethan Hunt Used Dimitrios an alias in mission impossible ghost protocol as well. Now, the plane experiences cabin pressure issues and they tell the passengers to put on their oxygen masks there must be something in the oxygen. As all put on their masks. Pass out now, this reminds me, of course, thunderball with when they're stealing the the jet with a nuclear weapons of the same kind of thing, boom boom you're out. Absolutely. So a team of bad guys including the pilot don't put on the masks and art been a signal. Run affected, and this is a little foreshadowing a how much masks are used in this movie, right? So it starts off with the use of a mass that's not your traditional am I mask. Right. Not Somebody's face. It's it's an oxygen masks ends and put these people out. There are other masks on that plane. The pilot says the plane on a course to crashed into a mountain dimitri hits the doctor and stands up pulls off a mask and is in reality, the Villain Sean, ambrose the first use of masks in this movie. But this time, it's not the impossible mission force using the ask and the voice changer although we must remember that Sean Ambrose was an IMF agent sent by Swan, Beck instead of hunt who Dr Corvette wanted and who he called to. Metri. But Hunt was on vacation, and because time was critical, he sent ambrose looking like hunt. But here ambrose as we become aware has gone rogue and to the dark side. So technically not using the mask as an IMF agent. The team grabs the briefcase that the doctor was holding and parachutes out of the plane which then crashes into the mountain I mean we've seen. This jumping out of planes thing. In multiple movies before and the plane crashing and so on. This just follows the same kind of formula except this time you initially thinking it is Ethan Hunt on the plane. So that's kind of cool and then we moved to the title sequence in starts out with Ethan, Hunt Rock climbing at Dead Horse Point in Utah and I love this scene, it's visually very stunning with these red rock formations. There's a person up there climbing alone on the rocks shots real shot supposedly no, one would likely climb this formation the way the crews is doing it here. He wasn't ropes that were removed by CGI, but for the most part, it is Tom Cruise doing this stunt and according to the director. He was panicking over this scene. He was like this is it I'm going to kill our star. Fallen off the author rock, but it's just a stunning environment I'd love to go there as a location to go visit when we look at movie locations but I'm not a big fan of heights as we've talked about before. So it be interesting if you could give me up there. It's just gorgeous. I. Get me up there. One of the best things about the whole mission impossible series is that Tom Cruise performs a lot of his own stunts. They just CGI out the cables and stuff like that. They're still dangerous this avoid clumsy camera angles or even worse CGI, face replacements allison of the latest. James. Bond movies as in mission impossible one. There is always a slip. You gotTa Allen. Yeah. The vault emission impossible one the ropes lives Ethan almost hits the floor in this movie he almost slips off the rack the only place the uses done double Keith Campbell is when he has this slip notice, you don't see his face then. It's going to be interesting to see how stunts are handled when Cruz finally just can't deliver on the stunt as he ages the I think he's two months older than me and it's impressive how he can do these stunts. Unlike me, he's in great shape and he can pull this off really well, Rod Cock was the climbing stunt double who teaches crews, how to do most the stunts but then crews goes off and does them the top of that cliff was six hundred feet and another two thousand feet down to the river. So as we said, John, who is just petrified, he was going to lose crews on this. Yeah and the whole the whole thing is going to be how they transition when. Tom Cruise is too old to be doing this kind of stuff. Are they going to get another ethan hunt like they got another James Bond another actor to play Ethan Hunt or are they going to have ethan hunt like the top guy now the mission commander and then other people do stuff. It's GonNa be interesting to see what they do but they've got two more movies with him in it at least. Yeah and I think that's why they're doing seven and eight back to back. Shooting perspective. Absolute is my guess is they're going to do a hand off the IMF is built to be able to hand off who the lead is much easier than a bond film. And so it'll be it'll be interesting to see where they I don't know if it'll be easier, but it's going to be interesting to see how they do it and what structure they used to do it. All right. So he's up there on these rocks at one point even holds himself in a cross pose with long hair and that post it really reminded me of Ted Neeley Portrayal of Jesus on the Cross in the Nineteen seventy-three movie Jesus Christ superstar especially the way he had his left knee bent. John who also use this imagery when he directed the movie face off and there's some other similarities with face off in this movie, and we'll talk about those as we go along. Once he gets to the top a helicopter, a purist shoot something at Ethan's feet first, you think the guy in the helicopter shooting Ethan what gets me here is that it looks like the helicopter couldn't have land were eason was and maybe just tell them the need to tell them but no, it flies off. Instead of picking up or whatever, and they could have picked him up and taking them to where they he needed to go. Yeah. But he was on vacation. That -cation then. What the guy shot near Ethan was the mission tape displayed on a pair of sunglasses that had augmented reality type lenses in it even looks over the Canyon and the mission tape plays in the Lens. You can see the Canyon and the tapes mission and hear the audio even gets his mission mission camera. This mission involves the recovery of stolen item designated camera. He can pick any two members he wants for the team, but the third member has to be Nyah Nordhoff Hall. She's a professional thief and not part of the agency. She's a civilian. Let me interrupt you here for a second one interesting note about that name is Nord off hall is on Nordhoff Street and houses the California State University Northridge Theater Department. So I'm assuming somebody in this film went there. We have to believe that someone was having fun with this name Uh School, and if we look at it, Charles Nordhoff and James Norman, Hall together wrote mutiny on the bounty. That's thought. It was kind of an interesting name setting something up here with that name for shadowing something in the movie and speaking of names I was going to be a spy originally, not a thief. The idea came from the Audrey Hepburn Peter O'Toole movie how to steal a million John Woo. Originally wanted Tandy to have the same charm hepburn we talked about reluctance spies in our podcast on the Chris file and there's something very similar here. was a thief being recruited to become a spy she didn't really have much of a choice. Yeah. When you think about it and the story are right out of the Alfred, hitchcock? poofy. which we're going to do a podcast, we have the reluctant female agent. Who is in trouble. In the Torius the reluctant spike character is a leash who Berman. Played by Ingrid Bergman which is. She's always fantastic. She is enticed to become a spy by the lead agent Devlin played by Carey grant she is the villain Alexander Sebastian played by the Great Claude rains he is dealing in uranium to create an atom bomb that would kill many people Elisa's poisoned by Sebastian when she is discovered and Devlin finds out she's sick and rescues her just before she would die. So we have a similar situation here in mission impossible to with Nyah okay because we can substitute naive early. Yeah even hunt for Devlin. Yeah Sean Ambrose for Sebastian and you pretty much have exactly the same story, your clothes, and in mid to the there's a deviation here in that injects herself with poison or the virus where in notorious. Alicia gets poisoned by Sebastian. Yeah. Other than that. The stories are very very similar. Yeah. We love doing the hitchcock movies. We've done three already and we're going to do more hitchcock movies including the Tories. Anyway the your mission should you choose to accept it and as always if any member of your I am force is caught or killed, the secretary will disavow all knowledge of reactions are there the tape self-destructing is handled by Ethan throwing glasses and they explode just lights the fuse in a way. We go lalo Schifrin Sonatrach, underscores this theme making the old mission impossible fan quite happy. The television show which switch out whatever device was playing the mission, the different types of recorders and stuff. So this was an updated way to deliver. It kept the theme they're both of theme song and the theme of the Tape self-destructing and it really really looks good. You GotTa Love The music, the beat of the music. The whole ambience creates in your mind is just fantastic. You can't beat that. No Pun intended. In this movie, the title sequence appears the deviate from the TV show and the mission impossible one movie. The titles don't appear to have anything to do with the movie however. Let me stop you there because I'm the. One, and in the TV show, the titles would show little clips of what was happening little scenes. One second to second shots of what's going to happen in the movie or doesn't appear first time through on this that you're getting that. However. Later in the movie, Ethan Tells Luther, the myth of Bolero fine who was a prince who killed camera a monster with the head of a lion and tail of a serpent images of this are what we see in the background of the title sequence. So this is important. So they deviate from showing us any action and the titles. But the background is still very relevant. John. Moose. Says that he sees Ethan Hunt as Belair Ifan representing good and John Ambrose has camera representing evil. Now, of course, this is based on real Greek mythology camera. A fire breathing female monster resembling a lion in the four part, a goat in the middle and dragon behind. Israel in Greek mythology remember the doctor said in the beginning therefore in a search for our hero Bellerophon we created a monster Chimera and the mythology. How was camera killed? Camera was finally killed and defeated by Belair Ifan with the help of Pegasus since Pegasus could fly Valera Fon shot camera from the air safe from her heads in breadth now keep this in mind. As the how Ethan Hunt approaches the destruction of this virus. That is very nicely tied together. Yeah. Well at a party and Seville Spain a troupe of FLAMENCO dancers put on a show. If you ever go to civilian Flamenco show do it I'm not a huge fan of dance shows at all but I did go to Flamenco show when I was in Seville and I was very impressed it's a different style of dance what I'm used to here in the US it's very energetic I really liked because it was just so I think it would be The rhythmic beating the shoes and everything was. I was impressed. Yeah I. Think it would be fun. Anyway, Ethan Hunt. Season's. At this dance and they look at each other and they're moving around the stage. A dancer spins in. NYAH disappears. She's headed upstairs to steal a Bulgari necklace. Now according to John Woo the dancing was inspired or influenced by the dance at the gym scene in the movie west side story actually be in the play as well. The idea came from west side story I wanted to make it a very sexy love at first sight moment, Wu says. The isolation of Tony and Maria is much more dramatic than what we did with Ethan and Nyah. There's definitely a similar feel to what they did in west side story. Yeah. I think similar field I. Didn't watch mission impossible to and think, wow, he fell in love with her immediately. So but that's another thing about this whole thing being a love story but. He John. An. Actor Terry Keep Saying I. Love Story I. Know I know I think he's wrong. He's only the director. What is he know? Let's get him on the show. Yeah this whole love at first sight thing is okay. All right. As part of the highest ethan and Nyah end up in about the lying in it to hide. The dialogue here is rather cheeky naive asks Ethan do you mind if I'm on top because at the moment she was and? Seems feels more like a scene from appears Brosnan or maybe an early Roger Moore James Bond Film than most mission impossible scenes that we see Nyah comes off like a bond girl here in a sense in the first film, there really isn't a female role like this. Maybe. You can say Clare but that was a different kind of feel John Moose says that he wanted this movie to be more of a love story than a spy movie me it's a spy movie. I'm sorry Tara. The notorious was a little bit of both too so. It was. It was actually the story is was more of a love movie than than for sure. Yeah. So anyway, there's the mandatory car chase. In the movie. Where where is chasing Nyah in her portion, it's a car chase. You gotta have a car chase thing in their chase around they're dangerous stuff. He's trying to get her to interact with him and do something for them for the mission impossible team and yet they're crashing each other in risking each other's lives I disliked this whole car chasing was bre to Indis I hated it s my least favorite part of this movie and they should have skipped it like we're going to skip it now. When crashes he helps her, she's like for almost ready to fall over a cliff damsel in distress. GotTa have that. where, they connect. And she succumbs to him but early. And I think part of this might have been put in there. Because it really had a very similar feel to James Bond and Xenia on atop in their car chase, Goldeneye. Across the cars here but there was this flirtatious stuff that was going on his part of the chase scene. So yeah, it was really a nod to Goldeneye maybe it wasn't the goal the night but this deserve no more conversation think because it was gratuitous. Less, Brookline, let's move onto the next day. So when Ethan meets his boss, he's mission commander Swann played by Anthony Hopkins. He's given more details on his mission. Now. John who initially wanted in mckellen for this part, but Serbian was involved with another project. So he couldn't do it and I'm back tells hunt that this is mission impossible which it's the mission impossible mission force the movie's called mission impossible but they'd never used on the TV show or in mission impossible one, the phrase mission impossible. And here, Swan becks telling him. This is mission impossible. The screenwriters for Mitt to hear were Ronald more and Brannon Braga. They also wrote the screenplay for Star Trek first contact were they included for the first time? The Word Star Trek. I guess they just needed to remember what movie they were writing. I. Mean Swan Beck had an excuse because Ethan Hunt. was saying, Hey, this this is going to be pretty tough to be able to convince her to be doing this. Tough, toughest should that should be a piece of cake for this For you tough this mission. Impossible. So you had an excuse I liked that I like how they worked at it I, thought it was okay. Okay. So Ambrose Hall had a relationship and she had walked away in the past he's been wanting her back. So that's why they think she'll be the quickest way to locate ambrose. Swam back tells hunt make sure she continues to see him get ambrose to confide in her and then report to You Swan Beck misled cont misled into thinking that he was recruiting her for her skills as a thief. Hunt says, no, she has no training for this. Mission Commander Swann says the hunt here in response something that's really out of line. This is quite a line it's quite a line. What she is as a woman, go to bed with a man lied to them. She's got all the training she needs. Oh. Hey. We James Bond is being misogynist. Man. I think Salambak takes us to the extreme and this conversation we have to remember this movie is twenty years old. I don't know if you could get away with that line today, but they definitely did then I'm thinking that would be not appearing in any more mission impossible or bond movies. So Swan back ends up giving hunt this digital camera, which shows the plane crash scene and the information on Sean Ambrose. which was the guy she just left and that he was the mastermind this whole thing. So, Swan believes by showing her this that'll be the incentive for her to try to help right which reminds me of thunderball again. With domino where he shows her the dog tags from Francois, her brother and his watch and convinces her that, hey, it was largo who killed your brother and then cheese going to be on his side. Now, this is the same kind of setup. So this is where Ethan Shows Nyah the pictures of the airplane crash. Ambrose who used to love created this crash. Yeah and that was really the hook to get her on board. She has to go seduce ambrose and find out what she can about. And Belair Ifan. Yeah. Again, like we said, reminds us a domino in thunderball. Okay. So we then move to the team being put together and the team monitors Ni- an ambrose because of course, they've got the technology to to just do this they did implant something into. Yahoo, they could track her only Jacob truck and only they can actually only one computer. which just cracks me up because that's important later. Now, we get Luther back. Anytime, you can bring being rams into a movie you've gotTA. Love it. Now where Harry Palmer loved gourmet food. Bond enjoys the bone vivants luther enjoys close. In this scene, he steps in sheep poop for lack of a better word and complains about the fact that he's wearing eight hundred dollars Gucci shoes later, he complains that pump put a hole in my. Man You just gotTa Love Luther. He's cool. Comes off as this tough guy. But boy does he like his Clo- a product placement you think I don't know. I'm not quite sure though that you'd want your product advertise stepping in you bury I don't know you get your name out there. All right. So the other members of the team is somebody called Billy Baird and he was the helicopter pilot. And I personally thought this was a fairly uneventful role and I was really glad they came up with Benji, Simon pegues character in in m I three and beyond. But I like billy because he was their local contact in Australia to help them with this mission. So yeah, it's a smaller role, but I think it was an appropriate role and big enough. I thought I thought it was okay. When you see a compared to what then do with Simon Pegg character It's lacking. appropriate. Okay All right. So Ambrose he has idea at the House and he brings her in via boat. So He's at the house and the boat comes sweeping through and she's on a speedboat and the way they came in on that speedboat Nyas white top her scarf. It really reminded me of when Naomi meets fond and eight triple X. who were posing as Mr and Mrs. Stirling. In the spy who loved me yes she's wearing a white top and jeans instead of Brown Bikini with a sheer white cover up but I really think the scenes have a very similar feel to them. Yeah. I reminded me exactly of that scene as well. I liked they planted a non-traceable chip in Nyia that only can be tracked from IMF Computer One computer like you said, the laptop. And when Ambrose is goons electronically scanner from a distance as she walks with ambrose into the house, they say she is clean and add all cats are. Of course in Casino Royale Daniel, Craig's bond gets a locator chip implanted in his arm. But when they scan is arm, you can see it. Yeah. This is more advanced technology and what was used with bond. Yeah. I just love the Lionel, cats are it says a lot of stuff there that we're not going to go into. All Right? Yeah Ambrose. Lead Henchman is hugh stamp. I can't believe this wasn't borrowed from a bond movie. Tomorrow never dies where the lead henchman is named Stamper stamper. When we meet stamp, Ambro says, he's suspicious of Niagara as is stamp and this scene shows ambrose nasty scientists he cuts off. As he cuts off the DIPA stamps finger with a cigar cutter. That had hurt that act becomes pretty damn important later in the movie. Okay. So we leave Ambrose's place, and now we go to the racetrack, the Royal Randwick Racecourse Sydney. Now, this is a scene that sets up the monetary part of what ambrose doing with Bellerophon in bio site pharmaceuticals. We see from a memory chip, what damage can do when they're looking at a video at the race track. It's a fun seen other than that. One Nice thing about the racetrack in a movie like this is there are lots of people around lots of action and the ability to have a bunch of small things happen relative close proximity that others won't notice bio site pharmaceuticals is the company that Dr Cordage worked for. So. Now, we're seeing the head CEO of bio site pharmaceuticals meeting with Ambrose at the track. Yeah there's some there's some cool scenes in there and as you through the movie again, you'll see that that's that's one of the fun parts of the movie because it does tell you a lot of stuff in a very short time and it was a clever way of doing it here we see nias thief and spice skills it ends up she's not very good at either and pretty much blows it because she returns the memory chip to ambrose is wrong jacket pocket. Well, she's not very good at first of all she got the envelope with the camera. That that was pretty good. Yeah. She picked his pocket that was yeah that was mandatory second. She got at the Ethan who transmitted the pictures to Luther in the van that's what they needed to do. And third I thought he did return it to the correct pocket but later ambrose, says, it's the right pocket when these telling stamp did he switch it or did she screw up? Screwed it up in and it's actually noticeable in the way it happens in Ambrose knows it happens at the time. Really. Yeah. So if you watch when she puts it back, she puts in his right pocket because she comes in from the left and ambrose. Noticed it right away. If you look at them to he pauses he was holding his Benach years and he pulls them back and there's an a musical thing that happens to say, Hey, this is important. So he knew something was up and why he laid their confronted her with the Ethan Hunt. Mask and the voice change that happens later. So he knew. She was doing something now and remember he just got off stamps finger saying when stamp was like can we trust her? And now he knows he can't trust her. Yeah. All right. So anyway, she accomplishes some of the mission here and before she gives the camera card to hunt. She around to face hunt and she wasn't supposed to turn around because he's Donald on turnaround 'cause they're gonNa see you and hunt was not very happy that she turned around because he didn't want these guys stamp or ambrose to see this happening. To me that's kind of funny because it's like, okay I'm sitting here not looking at anybody but I'm talking yeah isn't it better if they're looking at each other talking? Yeah I mean it could have been a casual conversation but anyway she's turns the hunt and she says to him what are you gonNa to Spank me again they've got a force some of these these sexual innuendos in there and the cheeky interplay. Line ago go. All cats are clean. What are you doing? On top whatever. Okay. All right. Let's move. All right. Let's move on. So. They meet outside Ambrose House Hor to they. There are a lot of masks in this movie. So you've got pay attention especially in the scene. So Nyas running ethan grabs her and she hugs him. We then cut to McCloy who's the head of bio site what looks like a hospital bed and he sees doctrine. Nicole. Who tells him that he McCloy is. Infected with camera the key fact and the scene is that McCloy says to go to the doctor. How would I know he needed to be treated with Blair Ifan within twenty hours McCloy had Kamera created there's something that Blair Ifan cure which would allow him to make a lot of money and it's really obvious in this he says I'm here to make money. Yeah of course, this was really hunt who pulls off the mask of the doctor's face and the voice changer, and then they cut back the Ethan and Nyah outside House so. Happening at the same time House Ethan talking to McCloy. If he's also at the house talking tonight. Yeah. Violates the law of identity and non-contradiction. You can't be two places at the same time. A Guinea Nyah tells Ethan that she thought he was there to take her out of there. And Ethan Tells Niagara, this is a critical part now and do whatever ambrose tells you in other words stay. So it's a conflict of what we heard before. then. We see that Ethan wasn't in two places at the same time. So thank God that Love non-contradiction was not broken. And Ambrose removes the mass. As Ethan and the Voice Changer, it's ambrose. Of course. So he had an ethan mask and voice changer at the beginning of the movie on the plane, and he's got one here fooling Ni- into thinking she was talking to Ethan. Invalidating the night I was there helping youth out? So in a discussion with Luther Hunt realizes that ambrose doesn't have the virus and Ambrose knows that he doesn't have the virus. Heath and then says, he needs to go to buy a site to kill virus, and then we're home free. Aga-. This is immediately followed up by conversation with Stamp Ambrose where a stamp tells Ambrose Hunt Stung McCloy the tonight and that hunt will be going to buy a site. I thought again while there's a lot of people that know a lot of stuff going on here but okay. They want has to be a very strange feeling for McCloy. He's dropped off back in his house by Billy. Who makes them think that he had passed out in the Limo. So the IMF team is about to initiate their plan to attack the bio site plant and kill the virus. So this looks like a great spot to wrap up one of mission impossible to. So we'll pick up part to with the attack on bio site. This has been dancing vestry and Tom Pizarro movie navigator Dot Com as we wrap up part one of mission impossible to join US next podcast for part two. Thanks for listening. Tell your friends about our show cracking the code of spy movies. Give us a five star rating on your favorite podcast APP go do that now and we thank you for listening. Thanks a lot. Thank you.

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I hope you learn more about hunt. Ready vests and if you have questions and are interested you're gonNA find out how to get a hold of heath jared over at hunt ready towards the end of the show so with that said. Let's welcome into the conversation and onto the project up and podcast of Hunt Ready. He'd Saner and Jerry Stewart and with that. I'd like to welcome everybody back to another episode of the project up on podcast. I'm your host Nick Larson in here with me. Today are two guest to talk about an exciting new brand and product offering in the upland hunting. Space this is the time of year I think when a lot of people are reflecting back on their seasons maybe thinking about gear and thinking about things that they want to initiate in the upcoming season. So excited to have these two gentlemen here with me and we'll start with Heath Heath Kaji introduce yourself tells a little bit about yourself and your connection to hunt ready next so thanks for having us on. I really appreciate the opportunity to be here. A big fan of podcast. So it's a little it's a little surreal to be on this end of it right but he's Saner with hot ready one of the cofounders. From the southwest Missouri area have hunted. Most of my life actually started as a toddler migrate grandma. We take me out in the fields and Run trap lines and chase squirrels and rabbits and then from there has just been Turkey deer out West chasing some big game and then over the last probably ten to fifteen years or so really got into upland heavily and so. I'm sure we can. Dive in Nevada are the later. But that's that's Kinda my story. Yeah for sure. And also with us is jared Stewart. Jared introduce yourself. Yeah appreciate it Jeered Stewart The other CO founder of Hunt. Ready and yeah just Got US similar story that he actually grew up in a family of hunters and memories of my grandmother was a hunter she was. You'd find her in a stand hunting whitetail and Kinda just always you know. Didn't really think anything of it At the time you know to have a grandma was a hunter and a Fisher Fisher woman and then Have Memories of my dad. Taking me to deer camp at My grandfather's and all the articles and cousins getting together and doing that. And then just you know we kind of just about everything and ended up. I'm a Kansas boy. My birth mood in Missouri. Thank you even I. We just connected early on when I moved in kind of embodies and you know running through fields and kind of getting into all kinds of trouble together and yeah it is pretty much better than one hundred lives so a good deal you touch on a little bit there jared but I was curious what what was the initial connection between you and heath. How did you guys meet up was up on hunting or was it something else? I think we just probably naturally gravitated to each other. We were you know. Just we're country. Boys like to get up hunt and fish. I wouldn't say necessarily that that you know upland bird. Hunting was the connection but just being outdoors in general riding four wheelers together. You know pawn jumping all kinds of stuff like that so I think that was pretty much. We had a bunch of the same passions in love for the outdoors. Got It she bird dogs. They part of the picture for you. Yes yes I have two dogs myself. I have a Brittany He's about eight or so he's the first bird dog that I ever took on from pop trained myself. I'd say trained. I think we probably trained each other and him him more training me than right than the other way. Round as that normally goes I think and then I also have a have a drought and then my daughter actually has visha popped that she worked for and route four and God and his taking the lead on training as well so so within my household. I've got three. That's my story on the bird. Dog side excellent. How about you Jarrett? Yeah I've got a five year old black lab who's WHO's a better duck. Dog is a upland dog and then right at about a year ago. I bought a yellow lab from Kennel Out. Kansas and primarily with the Idea to that. He was going to be enough land primarily dog and so kind of same boat. It's it's it's been an adventure with him. He's he's bird crazy but we're still kind of working on getting his manners right and you know Getting to a point where he's he's a little bit. You know maybe a little bit more manageable size field if you will and then actually just kind of ran into a buddy that had a GSP in had got. It didn't work out and I'd kind always wanted one but just the lifestyle that we live is like out enough. It was ever really gonNA be a good fit but we got we got that little guy right after the new year and Man Been Love and that that's just kind of a whole new experience for us so Pretty pretty cool. Actually so you got. You got three as well. You guys have some power that are expensive food bills it makes it makes road trips and do the UPLANDS interesting at times. Jam packed at many dogs and You know I'll tell you though the cool thing about that is Getting to hunt with with such variety. Right I mean between the different breeds in each dog. Even right has its own personality. And and I don't WanNA say strengths and weaknesses. But things that they excel at ride are good at so. That's been fun. It's been pretty cool We've got a group of guys we want with pretty regularly and they have even more breeds. So it's A. It's a pretty good time. I know you're et CETERA. Guy Or at least I think so. Yeah yeah I stumbled into being a senator guy? I guess that's what I am because I have one dog and he's et Cetera. But well so fun the different types of breeze that that you get exposed to and get a chance to hunt with as you as you expand the group of people that you know in the plains and get a chance to hunt with so yeah. I think you raise an interesting point. I guess it's something that I think about often especially being somebody. That's on their first bird dog hippie six in in June so you know six years into this which I've certainly learned a lot in the last six years but you know think of how. How intimately well you know your dogs and then you know how hard it is to get to intimately know other dogs. I mean you might have a close hunting partner that you hunt with them a lot but you know unless you're a pro trainer or somebody that you know you have a lots of dogs all the time it's like how. How could you really intimately know the differences between one breed or another because again so much of it comes back to that? I think that individual dog like you mentioned so I think about that a lot and I certainly appreciate any chance. I get to hunt with or see another dog just again for another another reference point as far as like what makes each dog unique and how they do things differently. Yes very much so we. It reminds me of something that we it's been probably ten years ago or so through through a forum pheasant hunting ultimate pheasant hunting forum dot com. I think I just long story short I. I made a connection with an individual and he. He just happened to be a retired trainer. Had A plantation is a plantation down south and he invited us up to to South Dakota to hunt with him. Just got through that forum in the thing that that's been so interesting to me. You know to your point about the different dogs and personalities someone. That's been around that many dogs for that long key trained for like forty years or so just the things they pick up on right and and I think for us or for me. At least I've learned so much from Tony is named Tony Clark. That just being in the field and spend the time with people like that. It's amazing how much you can absorb you know informally you know. It's not it doesn't have to be a book or a video or anything like that just trying to find people that can mentor in the field and I I've appreciated the uplink community and in how open it's been. I think I've learned a lot from a lot of people encourage those that that may be hesitant right to jump in or to get that first dog find those people that you can learn from and and and and be mentor by and then down the road. Try and find opportunities to do that and paid forward. Yeah but yeah. That's a good point. I mean like you said the up community I think is very. It's very open as far as like reaching out and talking to people and you can get a lot of information with the bird dogs thing. Is that interesting wrinkle where you can you get a lot of armchair quarterbacking and you get a lot of a lot of cheap bird dog advice on facebook but I think that it strengthens the point that you make to do your best to find those people that really do have that genuine experience and the ability to read dog behavior? You need to have a few those people and keep them close because their advice is going to be way more valuable than the stuff you're gonNA find facebook and that's the that's the unique thing about bird dogs because their animals and animal behaviors. It's it goes a lot deeper than talking about shot size or chokes or you know side by side or over under that kind of stuff. Yeah it's those little things. It's been amazing. Yeah what is your primary. We'll talk a little bit more about up and hunting. I think later on by WanNa get this like what is your primary often hunting pursuits. Look like are you. Are you hunting. Pheasant Quail there in Missouri. Are you doing a lot of traveling? What does look like jared? If you want to tee off on that yeah I really enjoy going. After the quail and pheasant he knows heats I kind of piggyback on his coattails I bought myself in a place in my career with family where I was extremely busy and he said hey man let's get together. I've got you know some opportunities to go South Dakota and would love for you to make a trip with us and Canada. Just we had I didn't really explain this. I got married moved Oklahoma my wife Oklahoma and so kind of heathen I you know just weren't able to connect us too in the past so I think it was just kind of a start for me to kind of get back on track with kind of you know one of my childhood buddies and so we. We made the trek to South Dakota and just absolutely fell in love with it and again just had a great time and so that's kind of been an annual trip for us To always put that on the books and make that happen and then yet just kind of announced the bug right you just you get bitten by and next thing you know. It's it's you know more shot Ganz. Its job multiple dogs. It's just it just ramps up quick quickly and again it's just it's being out in nature and experiencing all of it watching the dogs work. I mean just whether you're killing birds are not. I mean it just being out there in excitement so an last year this last season South Dakota Nebraska Kansas Oklahoma. So those are the primary states that we were gonNA look for birds so yeah for me. It's you know geographically right. I mean it's part of it is just the proximity by which you can make a trip right on Three or four day trip or whatever So the dakotas Nebraska in Nebraska is kind of one of those hidden gems in that it offers some some significant diversity in terms of both terrain and Species so between sharp tailed grouse. You got faster than quayle. Obviously and then Kansas with pray chickens pheasant quail as well. Oklahoma with jared and then Missouri and I have an opportunity here in Missouri with some woodcock. So there's sure to get into that and then. I do a lot of waterfalls well which may have been obvious with my statements in terms of breeds but I- duck on with both my Brittany. Am I draw actually so some waterfowl in there as well when is the one is the Missouri woodcock season? You know what I mean I can. I could probably piece it together. Just based on what? I know of them flying through but are you talking December November December. It is earlier than that okay. I don't know what the exact dates are off the top of my head but it is. It is earlier in the season. I WANNA say well I'd I'd hate to put a date out there exactly. Yeah Yeah I was just asking generally anyways. Yeah okay cool in you. You have gotten out to pursue them as they're as they're flying through before. Yeah and it's it is challenging. It's covers tough. It's nasty actually. You know to be honest I stumbled into it early on sure I was actually looking for a new habitat on on the ground to chase Bob. Why Quail and just got into woodcock right in. The dog doesn't know the difference. So you know started getting some points and then started kind of putting it together in terms of the habitat right a little more wet little moisture that that A lot of habitat around like lakes and rivers that edge material. And then if you can find that row crop that's what I was looking for right for quail and just stumbled into them so it just opened up a whole nother world up land. So will you find? Will you find woodcock and quail overlapping or are they are they typically maybe close but separate close okay but at least in my experience and and by subject matter expert here get close? Your quail are typically a little further away from the the level moisture that I find the woodcock in yeah cool awesome arc as well. Let's let's transition a little bit indefinitely. Talk GonNa Dive Into Hunt. Ready in cover that side of things before we maybe Projecting the future a little bit later on. But let's get the hunt ready story. I mean this is. This is a new company. It's a new brand. I think if people are on the familiar channels the channels facebook instagram and they've been paying attention to up on hunter up on hunting the way that I do. They probably have seen hunt ready. But I'm I'm hoping that we're GONNA educate a lot of folks and inform them on a little bit deeper deeper. Look at what hunt. Ready is what you guys are trying to provide to the upland hunting community in excited to learn more. So I don't know if he jared wants to start up on that but let's just start from the beginning so I can. I can jump in. I yearn for us. It was jared alluded to the fact that years and years ago we started making the annual Ron with with a core group of guys up to South Dakota and from south. That's a decent amount of windshield time and You know we started talking about the gear options that were available to the landmark in and started bouncing ideas around about a lot. Of what if what if we could. What if we could create something that was lightweight yet? Durable that was highly configure. -able right to meet the needs of of you know the various types of pursuit that you know. Even we find ourselves in right from cattail sloughs and South Dakota to the Scrub Russian Oklahoma. Right the HARDWOODS IN MISSOURI. The the the various train in Nebraska. Right the so so that lightweight yet durable was was something we talked a lot about and then the configuration. I think was really what at least a key design aspect that we kinda zeroed in on early and in wanted to pursue and so that led us down a path right above of researching different types of technologies. And you know who does configuration? Well you know what what markets are verticals and in you know that that really led me down the military path right to tactical gear market right. That's about figur- ables. You can get when you're talking about gear and things that might overlap right at the time when it was just an idea And so that really was kind of the spark right. Let us down that path. And that was that was numerous years ago And so you don't hunt ready then. Became an idea right from a from a up land road trip and and let us down a pathway of pursuing partners. And and that's where we we found spear which has been a key partner of ours in this venture. They produce gear for military law enforcement agencies globally. They're global provider and having had the opportunity to to get behind the scenes look at their technology in their facilities. That really is what I think. Sold us down that path and their excitement to work with US really They were. They were very excited They're they're located just outside of Saint Louis so we spent quite a bit of time Working with those guys coming up with ideas on what we could do and how we might be able to do it and so from there. I mean it you know. It was about about design about field testing about a lot of prototyping Coming up with with what we wanted what we would be proud to put our names on to jared. I don't know if you have any other thoughts there any additional aspects of how we got here but yeah I think I think he nailed it pretty well but I think a lot of it too is just Kinda once we decided to do. This is like let's just build our dream best if we can build anything. Let's build our dream best and so we were building for ourselves first and foremost and then Hunt with the career that we do We were all wearing different best and we were just listening to the things that people back you know. People were giving us or innocent just again just you sit the truck for Levin Twelve Hour. Drives you start thinking all kinds of crazy but then it became a reality for us and in honestly some some pieces really fell into place and and like you said I. Fear was a huge huge part of that puzzle just being able to work with them in leverage some their technologies but it really was for me just the ability to create a dream as if you will. Yeah I don't know if I you know I suspect other I know that other pursuits are like this. You know deer hunter's stir counters. Were we tend to be geared nuts really and and whether or not up and hunters are even more so gear nuts than than other Forms of hunting? I guess that's That'd be everybody's opinion but certainly gears one of those things that gets talked about in the truck on long. I imagine you guys were having the same conversations that happens in a lot of trucks. Every fall guys talking about gear in. What are you wearing this and that? Interestingly though you decided to take action and see what you could see what you could come up with like said jared build your dream vest so sounds like kind of narrow down narrow down the vest early. I don't know if you did you talk about other pieces of gear. Is that like is that in the inconsideration for the future or is hunt ready. Strictly vests so I wouldn't. I mean I wouldn't say strictly vests From from my perspective at least you know one. One thing I'll I'll throw out there right is is doing my own training right from a dog perspective like the platform could really be extended and something. I WANNA do. Is You know. Training belts or harness rigs of some sort right. Excuse me for those you know it gets pretty warm down here. And I don't want to wear a full rig training dogs and Yup early season hunting dove hunting. You know things of that nature. I think the platform because everything is so interchangeable could really expand well. I'm provide provide products that that would I think? Overlap you know pretty. Well got my wheels turning At you guys could you could do A. I'm thinking about sporting clays you know. I'm getting excited to shoot sporting clays once we can once we can actually get back out and do stuff like that. But I've always the sporting clays belt a have is interesting. I have just. It's just a waste bill which I kind of like for some reasons because you're usually shooting in good conditions and and that feels feels read at the time but then like when it gets closer. Hunting season will start wearing my hunting vest to the sporting clays rain. Because it's like I wanNA practice like you know I'm I'm actually hunting and wearing that vest and kind of worked through some of that stuff I wonder if a lightweight sporting clays type vast. That could be you. Could you could most people when they sell something like that? They marketed as like a dove dove vasteras or sporting vast but something that maybe actually had shoulder strap so it was like Kinda simulating the real experience. I mean stuff like that I mean. Yeah there's there's any number of directions that you guys could go which is kind of interesting before we talk about the best specifically. I want to get the timeline straight because you guys just launch. I mean correct me if I'm wrong. I know that this has been years in the making and there's been lots of field testing and stuff so but like your public launch was was earlier this year. Pheasant fest was was a big event for you guys. Is that correct? Yes Yup Pheasant. Fest was the official launch. Okay we've had you know. A number of pre production units. I guess you'd Say Right. Jerem that We've we've tested and had guys you know run through the paces in the field earlier than that right. We had numerous prototype versions right that we tweaked on and all that kind of stuff. Over the last probably. I'm going to guess three or four years really three years for share and so that's kind of the rough time line. I mean. The ITA phase started much earlier than that. But you know I know I know guys that have have have gone through this process understand. I'm super excited to have like a hunting gear company. Right I mean. That's like as a hunter outdoorsman. My whole life like you know. That's one of those things that a lot of people talk about right but being here it it takes a lot more or getting to this place where you have something that you can use in the field and your has your all right. That's it's pretty cool pretty stress. Will you know? And there's a lot of hurdles to get through but it's worth it and whether or not our vest resonates with someone or not. That's fine. I mean there. There's some great options out on the market But but we are proud to have gotten here and have something that we're excited about Excited to use in the field so I definitely wanted to wanted to throw that out there. Just that while it takes time and effort. If you've got an idea chase it like it's it's worth it and see where it goes because you never know. Try Right Yeah. You guys took action on this and here you are. You gotTA company Yoursel Invest. What's the current status of hunt? Ready are are vest in stock and available to order. Are you still taking preorder is what's going on there so we excuse me? We are in preorder face. Still Okay we have a batch coming in the next few weeks that will probably get us to a point of having more of a traditional inventory status and accessories and pouches pockets water bottles. That kind of stuff. We'll we'll be. We'll be online as well. So we're getting very close to that traditional inventory model. Okay don't WanNa overlook this either significance to the name hunt ready you know hunters. H. U. N. T. than ready as RFID. I have addressed this on social media or something but any significance to the name. How that come about Jerry can take that one that was my career is an it and we have an acronym for everything so we were just kinda thinking about now. Heat does a marketing guy. And he's GALATA. Just we're kicking around ideas. What would we name this thing and you know I was? Kinda like this concept of ready for anything or you know. The the key component of maximum can configure ability in the vast. And and. So you just like you know what about ready and I was like I like that. I mean it's got a ring to it but you know I wonder if we can You know do a play on an acronym somehow just accounted drive the point home so we just gotTa came up with a unique you know. Rdi and just reliable commitment driving inspiration and it was just kind of you know to us. It was like you know the the the the system itself as being very durable again that that you know just chasing after our dreams if you will just it just kind of seemed to be something that resonated with both of us and Still Kinda. Be something that people could remember. And then I think the uniqueness it's it's hard for from brand launch perspective is like ready like are you know. How do you spell that like now that we've kind of been able to gain a little bit of traction you know? I think it's starting to resonate with people. Yeah absolutely I think you guys you I think you did. I think you did well with it. I mean I I guess maybe that's just me but I I'm kind of a fan of when something like that has a little bit deeper meaning so I like the inspiration and the stuff behind it but yet as the awareness builds you'll you probably get people. Did you have to buy any other website? Handles to make sure people people go to the right spot. We definitely had to go down those roads. I'm familiar with that in a few of my my past project. So yeah I know how that goes but okay. Let's talk about the best. Yup could you? Let's let's just. This is audio? Obviously only so it would be much easier if people could look at a picture of this and we'll make sure there's links and stuff but let's hear it from you guys. Let's hear kind of a a verbal description of the vest and maybe what you're trying to accomplish with each one of the foundational features and then we'll talk about sort of the modulation of it. Okay and I can. I can take a stab at first and Shero as mentioned earlier. One of the key things that we we wanted to try and achieve was was configure ability to make it to make an option for up landers to to tweak and change based on their own unique needs whether it be species driven right or terrain driven or just personal preferences right or all the above And so so the the the platform and the technology that we looked for I was around that and then once we once we nailed that down it felt like we had a very strong option To to to build around it then went into. There was two main design elements at least from from my perspective that I really wanted to achieve that I was weight distribution. I mentioned that the technology and the platform is lightweight and there's You know on our website depending on how you can figure it. You can add up all the different weights of everything right. But but you know fully configured vast is gonNA run somewhere in the probably three to four pound ish range so but then as you know right you throw throw a box of shells or two depending on what you're doing you low down with water for your dogs. You you know all of that. So we spent a lot of time in the outdoors whether it be hiking camping. You know so so having that fundamental weight distribution on the core right so so really. The belt is where we started to make sure that that we could evenly distribute way. Take that off. The shoulders reduce the stress for for long days in the field Was was really kind of where we started. And so you know the the the belt itself is pretty heavily padded There's some additional lumbar support in the back and then From there you know. It was about ease of use You know for me personally. One of my pet peeves is when I'm in the field and I'm trying to shove. Burn the pouch or grab a water bottle. Reinsert a water bottle. After I watered the dog. I'd I WANNA be able to do all that one hand because I'm always you're always hold shotgun right and so a lot of the designed from there went down that path right of of tweaking measurements of the size of the belt. Tweaking where the where the access to the bird patch was right when you reach back to make all that as natural as we could and then started to design around that so so you know. The Belt itself distributes that weight or that that is our objective in that. And so. That's where you start really when you when you go to get sized and fitted on one on the outside of the belt is where the platform comes in right and allows you to change pouches pockets really however you want to arrange it in. Obviously we sell up land inspired type type pockets and pouches but the cool thing about the first beer platform is that it's also backwards compatible with your your Standard Molly Powells. A wedding and So that provide the ability really to then open up to any of your tactical gear that that falls into that standard molly system in so we added that as well to the size of the pouch into the back of the game pouch. So there's a lot of configuration capability on the on the sides in the back the rear of it and then added in some permanent storage the back as well so you know for hats gloves. Whatever you know the typical stuff you carry a small kids as an internal security pouch in there that you can shove Wallet Keys Cell Phone. Anything that you don't want to have fallout accidentally. You know if you're digging through the to the back and in harness the shoulder yoke and everything working with I fear. They manufacture everything for a company called Hill people and they do a lot of big game packs. Caving hiking that type of stuff so so we were able to leverage. Their harnessed design actually They they collaborated with on that and let us use that. So so you'll see some pretty you see some similarities between our harness our yoke and there's That was just kind of one of the benefits that we got along the way so high level. I mean that's kind of hope that's what you're trying to get out their neck but yeah I would say that that's a that's a good description of sort of the foundation of the vast in and really. I mean what you guys have brought to market is what I would consider not a not trying to say that it's like it's A. It's a strap vest with a weight belt and In shoulder straps waist belt and shoulder straps. It's it's a very traditional looking strap. Best in in that sense of things. But the modulator customize ability I would say is probably the most unique aspect of the hunt ready us. And that's one of the things that I was talking to you about Ethan. We just had the conversation that I think most upland hunters would have together talking about vest and talking about how I set up mine and how you set up yours and that was one of the interesting things heath you talked about when you guys were and I don't think this will come as a surprise anybody but when you guys were testing this stuff you know each one of you. The individuals in your group would kind of set up their vest differently and I don't know if it was the chicken or the egg if that was sort of light bulb moment to say hey we need to have this Customizable in in modular. Or if you were already thinking along those lines I mean jared what was what was it like when you guys were putting this stuff together. Yeah I think you. Kinda hit on a key point we will restart to see. I think this thing's got some traction too because we did get this vast on guys that were going with us and we're all chasing after the same species but we're we just gotTa have that moment where we look around like everybody's best to set up completely different and it just goes back to to kind of the whole the whole idea of just maximum configure ability. We you know He. He is a lefty shooter so his desk is backwards to me. So I'm just thinking from the simple things that guys are dealing with in the field You Know He. I'm one of those guys where I really want no obstruction across the front of my body. I won't clean mouth to the shoulder with my shotgun Things you know obstructing that at all I want just kind of a wide open field and so You know just knowing that. He now where he does he. He doesn't mind to have more real estate on. The belt has some some options to to put some more Pockets and pouches on it. You know it again. It's just to to your Spec however you WANNA hunt whatever makes you feel comfortable in the field. I'm bad enough. Shot as it is so I used to just blame it on well. I can't get a clean matt. My shoulders hose myself a little bit. I don't you lost that. Excuse exactly cool. Thing is the universal nature of that Molly. Strap that's something that I haven't really used a lot of. I don't have a lot of gear that integrates with that but as I did some searching and looking around one of my the pack that I use for deer hunting actually has some Somali Like panels on it. Where I could do? I've never really looked at it. But you get the sense that that's very universal implication where people could go out if they already have a poacher pack or anything. Miki go look anywhere. And you got that Molly webbing on the hunt ready vessel. People could really kind of fine tune it to their exact specifications. Yeah Hey nick. The kind of you know we've mentioned fezzet. Fast and wild strategically launched there in. You know we wanted to launch their because we knew we had the community there and we would get the feedback that we were warning. You know immediately that kind of this real moment talking. You know about the flexibility of Mali. And you know the the six twelve system that I fear has You know it. It was just totally surreal. Had sold the best to a guy. He was ex military I like four hours later. He's tagging on instagram. And he's got his dog on almost tailgate and his his brand new hunt ready PAC and he's taken a Lotta Kit that he had from the the military and strapped it on there and I'm I mean it was. It was a surreal moment for me but it was awesome to just see like these guys are. You know specially that's been military law enforcement that have some this kid can just literally go leverage it. You know they have a a canteen holder They strap it right on it. And you're in business and then that was the other kind of the thing too that you know. We had to draw the line. We knew some some pockets and pouches that we wanted to create that were near our heart but How are we going to make the right pocket pouch for everybody in the community and so a lot of things We've seen as la guys specially trained you know they're carrying a side arm into the field. I don't want to get into the holster business. I can't I can't make a holster for every Glock Baretta Smith and Wesson out there. Whatever guys are carrying us like there's a million you know holsters out there that are way better than what I could create dope go get your molly holster. Slap it on our best and you're good to go so that was kind of again just another feature to the whole thing. Yeah I think that's that's definitely one of those unique things where that world you know planning is a small niche when when you look at it relative to everything else but the tactical tactical niche in the implement implications for Molly. Webbing stuff is so much greater than I. It really gives gives people access to a lot more like specific products. They can go and find exactly what they're looking for. Which I think school and I haven't even scraped the surface as far as looking at what options are checked out the first beer website and saw a bunch of their pockets. Because I was really looking at my current best with the idea that I I really love it. I love the one that I have but that there's some now having used it for six years. I've got some things that like. Maybe like to have this year or carry this piece of gear here and I could use a little bit of that customize ability which I think is pretty cool that hunt ready delivering net people. Tell me about your vest specifically in how you have your hunt ready. Best currently set up. Yeah Yeah so jared mentioned Alma lefty in so I have mindset up around that aspect right and I'm also the the current Photographer for ready so so. Don't uplink. Don't hold that against us right wearing a few hats. He so so I have on my right side I have. It's actually a first beer pouch. That has a multi divider in it. I keep some extra camera batteries a few extra shells and my cell phone in that right side and then on the left side I have one of our twelve round. Rail Pouches So that's what I'm pulling from. And you know as mentioned earlier we haunt a lot of states where you're in different species or could potentially run into multi-species so I have that rail pouch because especially when we're in Kansas in southern Nebraska Missouri Pheasant. And Quail are. Are you know you don't really know? Sometimes when your dogs on point what what's going to be so so all lineup. You know a row of quayle loads like on the outside and in a row pheasant loads on the inside of that six and six and so for me. It just works that way. I like organization just knowing without looking I can pull from whichever row then running anywhere from one to two dogs in the field at all times. I've got a couple of water bottle pouches. I've got one actually one water bottles on my belt on my right side so I can just easily access and pull that and then I've got another water bottle. It's on the on the left side on the back. That's just kind of a refill bottle And then I have A. I actually have a hydration had her for me. Attached to the very rear panel and so always got plenty of water. And then I've got a just a multipurpose kid on the back. That has just abortion snake. A little bit of Gun. Oil like a couple of small little picks and tools. You know just in case. Quick Gun repair type stuff And then in the permanent storage printed out copy license. You know the standard extra set of gloves. Nothing Major. But that's how I'M ON MIND SETUP. Jarrett yes I think I'm kind of a little bit different unique to see the. I either run kind of the rail. The Rail Pouch Canada same scenario depending on if it's a a multi-species type of heart in but then also kinda like are formed Flat Pouch. That was one that was near and dear to my heart because of the fact of you know Several places we get opportunities to Private and publicly. And and you know just I was always like having a best setup that had steel in it and lead in it and you know swapping back and forth. Will the form Flat Pouch? Allow me to just kind of keep by loads in the box set it down inside the flap open and then I could easily switch back out and put back in my Ammo Cam. You know. We're ready to kind of move on to a private field or whatever so that one's typically on there And then I've got like a first aid kit on the very back panel I'm an extra large Water bottle holster on the side for dogs. And then I got a personal smaller water holster for me. So I don't drink out the dog's water which is something that happens but And then you know just got like a kind of a Standard Molly. Belco PAL at on the patch on the back. That's Gone Oklahoma Flag and you know back the blue patch on it and it's something that if I need to add more water something in the field I can easily detach it put another extra large water holster on or whatever and then insides kind of same store. I've got some loose gloves license. Extra your plugs. If my ears start ringing and all that kind of good stuff. So where are you guys? And or where? Have you seen others attaching their transmitters Garmin? Alpha's your your dog. Training transmitters in your. Gps SAYS WHERE ARE. Where are those good spots to attach those on hundred best? Yeah so so. Every vest just comes with a It's basically a a derain with velcro. Slept on it and you weave that into any anywhere on the vest that has that laser cut material. You can leave that through an and essentially put a d ring in right so it'd be in front of a pouch on your right. Yep or it could be bind you know your Shell Pouch on your left hip for you know really wherever you want and I personally I don't like to have I run? I run a garment Alpha mainly and I. I don't like to have that up like on my shoulders. You guys do that. And that's fine. We do have the capability of that. I mean there's a. There's a webbing loops up there right. So some of the guys in our group do run them that way right on their non shooting shoulder. They'll just clip it in up high and I personally just attach a care bean or clip to you know my Alpha and just clip it on a d ring on my right side. I actually sit back quite a ways. So it's not I don't I don't like it banging on my hip or any. You know my thigh or anything like that so I set mine up back a little ways. That's how I run mine. Yeah I'm I don't actually run a GPS unit right now Probably switch that real quick though with this new so that's GonNa be kind of a new realm for me but Right now I'm I'm kind of in the same boat I mentioned earlier. I just really don't like any instructions across the shoulder area so I run wind down on my left hip at this point. But we'll see we'll we're going to make some investment in some new collars here shortly happens. Yeah that's cool I I. That's a question that's kind of interest to me because I I've got a I guess. A fairly high tech or. I guess you could say redundant Dog Training System when I'm in the field. I should say training but tracking and tracking and locating. I've got a I have a garment awful but then I also have a dog tra- caller in so I I like to have my doctor which controls my beeper and stuff and this is mainly built on hunting in the grouse woods. But I have that on the front of my bell which I really like my arm alpha. I used to always have that accessible now. I no longer need it accessible because I don't use it for training it's tracking only and I've got one of the garment watches so I could pretty much squirrel that garment alpha. I'd want to be able to get at it but I could squirrel it away. Somewhere and again the customize ability would be key there I could stash behind a pocket or something just to kind of get. Outta my way the other the other thing that I think is cool especially you know I. I do for the past couple of years. I've done. Two very contrasting hunts where I spent a lot of time the grouse woods where profile matters and this is something I talked to heath about trying to maintain as slim of a profile as I can. Just help me. Getting through the covered. Sometimes things like water bottle holders and stuff can can widen that profile so the ability to change up higher carrying water in doing things a little bit differently as something that I've been thinking about even prior to seeing the hunt ready vest but then then I go west in hunt hunting shirttails early season where waters like the paramount priority. GotTa have enough water and I'm not really concerned about my profile. So at that point thrown on the bottle holders putting in a bladder and everything the ability to beef up. Your water supplies is comes in handy. I mean do you guys change up the vast based on locale and what? You're doing different pursuits at times. I I have. I have pulled the hydration bladder off right. You know. And if I'm running one dog and it's going to be more of a hey we're going to go hit this patch of public right and they were going to move to the next. We're going to be kind of truck hopping right. It's easy to check the hydration off. And then just carry one a now gene bottle for me and one of my bottle holders and and then you know the traditional kind of score bottle or whatever for the dog and the other So Y- yeah I mean I. I do some Not Extensively but but it's nice to have the ability. You know you mentioned this earlier about you know Early season or even preseason right go onto the to the range shooting stuff like that you know once I get used to my Shell Pouch options. I don't really switch those up much just because it's right muscle memory. Right gets there so for me. I don't really switch that up very much. Yeah I could. I could see where you kind of answering my question in the sense that we keep hitting on this customize ability once you get a dialed into where you want it apart from a few specific needs that you might have. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA keep mainly the same but you've you've already have the ability to get it exactly where you need it because and then through trial and tribulation in the field you can. You can adjust it as you go so it's all about dialing it in. Yeah Yeah let's talk. What sizing real quick are there different sizes of the hunt ready vest? How does that? How does that play out? Yeah so out of the gate. We had a couple of belt sizes. Just a regular belts is in size and we are in the works. After getting some feedback and requests from from the market a For a smaller belt. So that's that's in the works and should be launching relatively soon in terms of and that's really the major You know when you go to go to look at one and try and buy one that that's what you'll have to figure out right away sized torso size and so from there. There's quite a bit of just ability. You know in terms of the harness game pouch lowering and raising yet. So there's not really a at least right. Now there's not really a size pick their. It's mainly getting. That belt dialed in and as mentioned earlier. That's really the key. Right is getting that way where you want. It distributed evenly in the right place. So that's the sizing structure that we have right now. Yeah and I'll just echo a little bit. You know once you get that waste fitted up at loaded up. My challenge was as I'm kind of a long leg guy short torso and so I needed a lot of adjustability for torso height than we've you know. That's that's people. In general there were all made in different shapes and sizes and so I think you get the belt where you need it at in in just get fitted for your waist size and what we've seen that you know the amount of just ability for the tour so that we have in the vest has allowed. We literally did this. At present Vassar was a guy that came up and he was six five six six. You know millions and he put it all on and and It it did have. Our large belts is on it and his wife was standing next to him and I sat here. Let's let's spit you up and I said another. Obviously the the wayside is going to be wrong but so we put it on her just at it. You know it it. It went way down. Obviously she's like. I can't believe that just came off him and so I think that was kind of a little bit of You know proof in the pudding that again is just getting that waste a properly sized out and we have enough. Majo- ability for people sources is to get. It really dialed in locked in to good fit for you via for sure. What else in in this? The last couple of months of these things being rolled out people seeing them getting their hands on. Have there been any other key things that you've heard from from consumers key features that they're requesting or seeing or things that they've been really happy with. I mean what are you hearing from consumers? Yeah so in terms of feedback or or or wants right we. We've had requests on on color options right so Which is in the works? I've actually got a bunch of color swatches right here that I'm looking through and make some decisions on so we hope to be able to provide the market was a a quote unquote non hundred orange option. Sure that was something that that which I think we probably expected and then some variations on pockets and pouches which again we expected. And you know there. Was that point in time where you know we just had to put a pin on the calendar and say this is when we want to launch and what we can get in place by. That date is what we're going to have right and so you know at Pheasant fast we had and I think it was a fairly solid list of options but You know we're we're pursuing those those requests that we've been getting around a different pouch styles options color options. The small belt. This are a smaller belt. Option was something that has been noted and and like I said we. Actually I have a prototype in hand that We're tweaking a couple of things. But that should be available pretty soon as well as jared mentioned. You know the the sizing my wife is is fairly small. She's right around now right around five foot or so she'll tell you five two or three but yeah about five hundred and right about a twenty nine inch waist and so that's really kind of a target. We're trying to hit right. Is that with the small belt and then I have confirmed it all tightened down and she can wear that and have the weight distributed and and it works so so that I think was the big one in terms of you know. I don't WanNa Call Miss is just you know we didn't have that option out of the gate for some of those folks needed that small belt but but it's coming good deal. Are there other like when people are asking about? 'cause this is one of the things. I was looking at like the pocket. The different customization options around pockets and stuff and I completely understand that. You guys don't WanNa like jared said you're not going to provide a holster for every different kind of pistol and hang on. Other people are doing that. So people go to the hunt Website they can check out the hunt ready best. They can go to first spear and look at some of the stuff that they have. Are there other like huge outfits that are making this these molly style pockets and stuff that you're pointing people to to go check out all the different things that they could potentially add to their hunt? Righty best yes. So so I haven't necessarily you know directed folks to two specific vendors. But here's the here's the deal. There's there's so many sure you know even even your army surplus stores. You know if if it's standard you know. Standard Molly option Which is essentially and I don't recall the exact measurement but it it. It's the width of the strap or the width of the plastic. That slides through. But it's it's pretty much going to be again. It's kind of standard so so the vast majority of your tactical gear makers and if you just if you just Google Molly pouches or molly pockets or even practical even using that word. I think you'll you'll be surprised at just how much there is out there throwing back a little bit to the. This was something that I I actually kind of forgot to ask earlier. When you were testing these vests in you know prototyping and trying to obviously ultimately arrive at the one you would bring to market. Were there any sort of I? Guess blooper moments or anything that you tried. That just like completely didn't work things that that stick out in your mind through that process that ultimate league got you to the that you have now. Well Nick I mean. Honestly those were all jared's ideas so Yeah definitely I mean. There's there's been a lot of things that hit the cutting floor longtime ago. We tried some different technologies. That might be something. We pursued down the road. But I think it was just there was going to be so much of a lead time right to come up with real solutions to problems or things that would resonate. We decided to set those aside. One thing that I thought would be. I'm a bigger guy. And you know. Having jared had mentioned earlier you know that that having nothing in front of him in wanting that feeling that everything's open in front of you. I definitely get that from A. I don't want anything up on my shoulders. No GPS units or anything like that. But I thought it might be cool to have have a vested had more of an area in the very front right. I mean almost like sometimes you see on Turkey rigs or or similar to like a traditional a call it a traditional upland vast right zips in the front or something right and have the attach ability. Upfront it just for me. At least you know Jerry can speak for his thoughts but but that was one of the nation's or different prototype. Do we tried and it was just. It was just too difficult to get. That weight stabilized in in in it was just too much tried to really plow through some of that cover and even though everything was right up front and it was super nice and handy it just it just didn't work. I mean that was one of the things I remember. Jared yeah I think you know. Where do you draw the line at? I mean to your point he than you can hang a a million things. Pockets pouches off of you but are they really needed and so just trying to figure out where the balance was at instill keep it. You know I I wanNA obviously have my gear and fill like the a pack is attached to you at moves with you. As you're you know again plow through a cat till Slough or whatever it is going through the woods that is not flopping all of you that it doesn't feel like you know it just feels part of you. I guess and you know just feel guy. I don't know how else to explain that if it feels good then it in. That's kind of what we settled on. I was like this feels good to me and I don't know how to better explain than that. So Yeah Yeah in the platform the first peer created I mean once you get those pouches were you want and get them attached. They have a very sewn on feel it's not they don't slide move and right. It's none of that. That goes on. And so like jared was same in some of those first designs. It was just too. I don't know just to nontechnical here. Word but clunky didn't feel right so so some of those things. We had to overcome cool. I'll throw this in like if there's anybody listening that has not tried one of these strap vest that you know. The goal is to have really well fitted waist belt to get the weight. They're centered and distributed. And then you have. You got your shoulder straps which. Kinda hold things in place. But they're not bearing a lot of the load before I had bird dogging us to hunt with you know. Maybe you're more traditional. Pick it up off the rack kinda shoulder vast sort of thing and I. I couldn't imagine hunting with one of those today with the amount of gear that I carry and sometimes I carry too much gear. That's only because the the good quality vests out there make that possible and but I couldn't imagine hunting with one of those anymore because it would be swinging around and waving and again having like jared said having that like you feel like you're one unit all year is right there. I mean that's that's an important part of logging mile after mile out in the upland so again. If anybody hasn't tried one of these best I would. I would seriously encourage you to beg borrow or don't steal but you could get one and try it because I think he'd be surprised at at how much better how much better you can have your gear setup in actually carry it and you know this is often when people talk about upland gears. One piece of gear might wait a couple of pounds but take ten thousand steps a day in that pounded adds up so your efficiency in loading and carrying that gear is really important. As far as how you're gonNA feel at the end of the day and I'm sure you guys would would wholeheartedly agree with that and it's just why you why you invented of as we may be a little bit biased and I do understand. Also it may not be for everyone right. I mean everyone's GonNa go out and cover the kind of miles that I think we cover in numerous others in the lands right but you know. That's the cool thing about the market to nick. You and I talked about this a little bit at pheasant fast and Offline but but it's pretty cool time to be an up lander you know there's a lot of cool products coming out and in and even competitors with US put in. That's great right competitions. A good thing and I'm excited to to be a part of it to be honest. I mean that's the that's the thing for me. I think is just you know it. Genuinely is a passion. I Love I love the dogs. I you know my daughter's following me. Interestingly enough she is she's actually named after my great grandma that that took me into the field all those years ago. It's so for me. It's kind of a big full circle into just have a small part in it you know producing a vast that that's going to resonate with some folks and seeing that out the field is it's it's it's pretty cool. Yeah one other question here before we before we wrap this up at. This is something that is often discussed when you were talking gear gear durability. Can you guys speak to the the quality in the durability nature of the materials that are used in this vast because I have a feeling that the materials were not chosen at random? Yeah for sure. And that's it. That's a great question you know. We've talked a lot about the configure ability of the platform and in some of the things that that offers right but durability was definitely something that we targeted as far as the the material and the approach that we took and and the the the material that we're using on the vast is is a patented material. Oh that I fear came up with and for us at least for me. You know when we sit down in talks with I fear and got our hands on samples of the product. One of the things that they did they would throw us a sample of all of the laser cut fabric and just say go ahead. I mean give it a whirl try and tear it right tweak it to work it however you want and it's pretty remarkable and at the end of the day. I mean I figure if you know guys like the Navy seals are using it you know. Us marshals and different different agencies like that around the globe. There's gotta be something to it right. And then we've proven that out obviously just on our own field testing and things of that nature and so it's extremely durable and and it's something that will stand behind as well as I fear stand behind so so proud of proud of that aspect for sure. I think one of the things that I just quickly want. Attach onto the design elements for us. We wanted to build something that was you know maiden source in the US and so that was a key component to. So you know when you're when you're looking at our Bassett is one hundred percent you know you know sourced and made in the US and so even down to the thread is is what they call. Berry compliant so Just again it's it it. It's handcrafted with pride and and That was something that we wanted to make sure that we were building as fast as we possibly could grade-point awesome all right guys. Let's have each of you any final thoughts and then make sure we get make sure we get. Where should people go? Where can they see these vast? Where can they get a look at them working? They preorder them Working they fall on social media. All that stuff. Jared have just a thanks for having us on obviously and go check out the best at You Know Hunt Ready R. E. D. I. Dot Com. You can follow us on Instagram. At heart dot ready in the yard just a sinister us a message if you have any questions. Thoughts comments we. We love the feedback from the community. Were receiving a lots of messages in. Were obviously going through people's feedback with a fine tooth. Comb trying to figure out how our product we can make it as best as it possibly can to serve our community now. Nick thank you for the opportunity genuinely appreciate it. It's it's it's been a good time. Hopefully this was helpful and informative to folks. But Jared mentioned like you've got any questions Shoot us a no hit the website. Check US out. I instagram. I try and keep up with questions and comments on Instagram as well so if we can help in any way let us know and Look forward to look forward to seeing a few of our best in the uplands this fall. It's exciting yeah absolutely. I have no doubt that we will. We will be seeing some hunt ready vests in the field this fall. That's for sure. WanNa preach I wanNA thank you guys for joining me on this episode of the podcast in like I mentioned to you heath and and jared I mean again you guys are bird hunters trying to bring something to the upland hunting community that you value. It's it was your idea of what the quote unquote perfect vest would be if we could ever get to a perfect vest but it's a it's a step in that direction and and that gets me excited and I think it gets listeners excited to when people like you deliver something to market for Upland Bird Hunters so thanks for what you're doing. I wish you guys the best of luck with everything this year and I'm sure our paths will cross again soon. So thanks guys appreciate it thanks. That's it for this episode of the project up in podcast. Thank you for listening everybody. Quick Reminder of the project podcast is brought to you by Onyx hunt you can go premium performance. Dog Food Gum leave. Usa CEESAY USA turnball restoration and Dakota to eighty three kennels. Don't forget you could be next week's winner the podcast giveaway. All you have to do is leave us a rating with the podcast or review in your podcast APP. Subscribe to the podcast. Share the podcast or send us some feedback or guest gestion. Thank you for listening. Everybody will get you on the next episode turn.

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How to Leverage Product Hunt to Gain More Traffic | Ep. #1107

Marketing School

04:12 min | 1 year ago

How to Leverage Product Hunt to Gain More Traffic | Ep. #1107

"Welcome to marketing school the only podcast that provides daily top level marketing tips and strategies from entrepreneurs that practice what they preach and live what they teach. Let's start leveling up your marketing knowledge with your instructors neil patel and eric su. Welcome welcome to another episode of marketing school. I'm eric su and i'm neil patel and today we're going to talk about how to leverage product to gain more traffic so first and foremost neil one is product on proton is a site kind of like credit for people to launch new products features. You can even launch crazy blog articles. We i used to market our podcast crazy on par until they stopped you. Why because we're showing up top three like every day yeah that was amazing. I liked it. Did you know that but the thing now how is the actually <hes> this is kind of a side note but they're actually bringing that like sometimes people sneak in podcast there so we should try to get yeah. We can try it again yeah so actually so here's the point so how does pro is products worth it. Nowadays i mean it's it's been around for. Maybe what four or five years or so it's been around for a long time and the big thing with part part is is just competitive overall but you can still do all their albums are getting smarter and smarter. I've been on the homepage and and got traffic quite a few times you launch a couple of things recently yeah. The key is to submit after midnight because then the clock starts all over again pacific standard time then the key is to get votes slowly slowly and gradually build up respond. Everyone get a lot of engagement because that is the most realistic. If you grow too fast they ding you 'cause they know you're going to fasten your votes. Don't count as as much about to make sure people vote from different i._p. Addresses people have history on product. Those are the main things and of course you got to release something that they want but it does drive good traffic nick influence or two. I mean <hes> you're crazy. Partner heating child. He's an influence on product hunt and he's often out there hunting for other people so by hunting getting meaning. He sees the product they often do really well because heaton is a guy. That's very well respected in the product world here. He's nice tells me let me not feel middle. Hunt something that you have. That's great dating the community will love the i try not to bug him though because he has kids in. He's probably sleeping at one a._m. In the morning you understand that now because you have a kid yeah but in general it's great those are the main key takeaways from mind as submit roughly one a._m. Pacific standard time get get the votes. Don't get them too fast. Look everyone's doing. You have to have a good description. You'd have good images in there have daro reviews from other people bill. Don't just have people submit stuff that has it's amazing having been neutral as well ideally have a good hunter. The hunter has history a helps. Get people to share it. Don't get your friends in your office to all vote because that'll screw you over unless they all got off the wifi yeah. They space it out that that's right. What else could you ended up. Mixture respond to all comments and engage with them that helps bring people back in that helps you overall. Those are the main things that's not to complicate other than that. It's not it's still a good source on it. I i do think of the traffic down a little bit. Now on product did sell to angel lists of not that they should. That should make a big difference but i used to check it almost every day. I've since then kinda stopped opt. Check it that much anyway. I check my own stuff goes without saying so. That's it for today. Go to marketing school. The i l. slash live. That's alive application for growth accelerator mastermind. Neil that will be there. <hes> it's there to help you help to grow your business faster. You can meet amazing. People fill out application yeah. I guess we'll see you tomorrow. I don't forget the rate we appreciate you. Joining us for this session of marketing school shared a rave review and subscribe to the show and visit marketing school dot c._o. For more resources based on today's topic as well as access to more episodes that will help you find tree marketing success. That's marketing getting school dot i._o. Until next time class dismissed.

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Is Your Knife Hunt Worthy? | Gun Talk Hunt

Gun Talk

22:49 min | 3 months ago

Is Your Knife Hunt Worthy? | Gun Talk Hunt

"Well from the gun talk hunt. Today on gun. Talk Hunt. We're GONNA talk about knives that's right now lives knives or just one of those tools that you bring with you. When you're out in the field hunting, so it's it's the most underutilized tool in a hunter's kit. That's the last thing people typically think about. Yeah. Is Your Knife Hunt Worthy? So that's what we're. GonNa be talking about today, but I gun talk. Hunt is brought to you by at and the future of optics and by Tim Triggers. The world's finest triggers also springfield armory the in one. One, a springfield armory has a variety in one ear rifles to fit your needs from the so calm sixteen combat tactical model to the Scout Squad model or the standard loaded national match, super match all three zero eight. You could hunt with him if you want to. Also a lot of people are hunting with Ar Fifteen. They've got the saint series. Saint Victor Saint Edge Rifles. We've used them. 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When you're hunting, you're out in the field with an ar you do not. I do not want a Mil. SPEC trigger no because. Your trigger. Pull your trigger. Press half to be what? Consistent Yeah consistency is key in the field, or if you're on the range, because once you have that built into your memory, you know when you know when that shots gonNA break right yeah. It's it's just. It's science it's it's scientific. It's two meters. Affordable triggers since nineteen forty six. They're easy to drop in. Check them out at. Tim Knee triggers. Dot Com. So there you go okay connives. Let's talk about talk about knives, but I I want to ask you okay. I I pulled this. It's kind of odd. It's I would say. Second to the knife. This is the most underutilized tool in my whole hunting kit. What would you? What would you say it is? Toilet paper. That that no, that's not that's not. That's full utilized. But that is, that's close you're you're actually on the right track I think. Have you ever heard it is going to sound ridiculous. Have you ever heard of a tool? Called the bud out. I actually do know what this is now. We're really getting into hunt. I'm telling you that is. If you don't have one, you need to get one all right so for all you deer hunters out there or elk. Or Bear like any game animal accepted ahead and just dive in okay. So what it is! It's actually it really is a good tool. So when you're cleaning an animal, you have to take all the enters out. All that stuff well. There's some stuff that just stays in that. You don't want contaminating your meat or anything right like especially if you have to leave it out overnight and so I was out in outdoor rider conference one year, and I got two pieces of equipment that have like really changed the way I'd deer hunt well as a cleaning. Dear, the other one is how hunter, but the first one is the bud out, and so what happens, is you? It's like this pronged. Close of elastic plugging, and you insert it into the tail end of the animal you twist it, and then everything comes out and you're left with a clean carcass. I'm telling you that. Was it very? Tool fairly mature. PG Way to explain decades right I'm trying to keep our. gator. Cater but I don't want to the by. Go wait. On the wrong podcast took. Out The butt out. It's called out is Great Okay Be I. Would I would say? Is the number one underutilized and? Over thought, I think a lot of guys. Don't think about their knives that often, and how big a part it plays in a hunt because when we talk about hunting I, don't guys caught up on the trophy and you know what what? What am I gonNA shoot in all everything like that. How you harvest it in what you get out of the. Is as important to the hunt itself well I've I've always been. I love hunting, but I've always been more of a meat hunter, then a trophy hunter right I really enjoy getting the meat I really enjoy cooking it, and and having that stuff in the freezer all year, so yeah, that's part of it and some some hunters will go as far as. Doing, the whole processing themselves. Actually done that. I've never really you're all the way through. Skin it! Bring it to the butcher, not a problem at all like I. I've I've actually grown into that, but back in I, mean Gosh like twenty five thirty years ago when I was really doing everything myself and all that good stuff I would do it all myself and if I didn't have the right knife. I mean it's you're wasting. Your very wasteful and I, and I hated that in a good butcher, and even I've gone as far to go. Spend you know a couple of weekends with a butcher that's be that'd be a good idea. Just go with him and watch. How good been a day or two? I mean it's. It's so easy, and you see how they do it and you may have tricks. Oh, I was not doing, and you'll see the knives. They pull out. Their extremely sharp, but there for a job. And they're very quick at what they do, but they're. They're always open. Explain stuff. But I would highly recommend that to anybody who's like wanting to do it. Themselves spend a little time with those guys but. So. I've got a story for you. Gosh, is it's a knife? Is that hunting story? Well, it's just it's about knives and quality year. Yeah that. And we do we. Did you picked out a few different knives that you like, and we put a links to them in the description of this? So if you're listening to this or watching this you can click on the description, and you can click through to check out some of the Nice. We're talking about here but this is actually a story from one of my. My Dad's friends was a buyer for Rei, okay. Several decades ago when I was still into the day. Fiance they? They enjoyed it. They weren't Granola as they are now perhaps so. The buyer sit in his office and this knife salesman guy came in, and he's explaining the knife, and we have all these different things, and here's these sheets for it. and. The viruses look I mean the Nice Nice, but that that Sheath is really flimsy. That little leather sheafs you have it and it's very flimsy, and that knife could poke through the sheath if it got folded over or whatever right he has. No, no, no won't let me show you. So he takes the Sheath, and he pulls the knife out of the sheath halfway. He folds the little leather sheath over the tip of the knife, and he plunges it into his thought. Oh No, no, no, no, and he. He proved the buyer correct. It went right through the little thin sheath in his nabbed himself in the leg in the meeting room in the meeting room. Oh, you've got to be what! What possesses person to WANNA do that. He was convinced him. I'm GONNA I'm going to sell this. Go Billy, maison, amongst gosh, like any cuts us from our artery, and we've got a whole mess on our hands. He stabbed himself. Thought, that was. Really I mean so get good gear. Yeah, get your. We've got I've got. I've got a million stories on on. Not Me and knives like I really do because you know even this past year, and this is one of the instances that actually have. Those dive into this. I have documented evidence of how horrible it is to not have the correct knives so I go up to. Canada and I take I take roughly between somewhere between five to seven knives like I. I don't WanNa be without a knife that I'm going to have to have because I processed that whole animal myself, if I kill elk or bear I skin it, I quarter it I- debone it, and then I get it to a processor, so it's ready to go quickly. 'CAUSE I. I can't spend you know three weeks waiting on animal to get back in Canada to bring back home right so it's all myself well. That morning was the first morning I go out. And I'm like do I take a knife and I'm like I'm not going to carry a backpack because I'm really Roy Moore running guns house like. I'm not that far away. I'll just go ahead. Don't throw a knife in with me. Just Grab My. Yeah I- jinx myself in. Meet immediately right there. Well my dad pack a knife and we have to get on sale and. I was I up. I get in position. I take this L. in all the like. All the glory I'm sitting there basking in. I realize. What am I gonNa do for a knife and so I get all the taken I get the video taken that I need to. And then my dad shows up and he shows up. I kid you not. It's above ably had given him years ago. and this is one. It's one of their skinning knives, and it's a, but it's seven inch blade while I've got I've got to clean the animal. I, so I need the. The innards out and doing it with a seven inch blade is not good i. mean not the laid is a great knife. Other awesome I love. Used them. For cleaning docs, it's like yeah, just like a hot knife. Through most it's just, and and I use them all around the house. I think they're very useful. And actually you know as a skinning knife. It worked wonders especially on a big animal. You WANNA bigger blading. You don't want to go with like you're. You're looking a smaller knife. I was looking for smaller. It's more maneuverable and they have four inch model. That would that would were. Skinner but I didn't have it on me. I think I messed around with his help for. Close to thirty minutes trying you know and I'm by myself, and this elk is eight hundred fifty plus. The L I'm Russell this elk. I'm cussing all through the video. And I get it back to the editors that I go okay guys. There's a clip that you're probably GONNA. WanNa Watch It could be something, but it could be nothing, but you'll laugh either way, and it's a whole video of me sitting there trying to clean this animal with the wrong knife. Yeah, and years ago, my uncle had told me I go up hunting with him a lot up in Canada. He had told me years ago. He said. The only night if you need, you need to buy one knife set, and it's GonNa. Run you about thirty bucks and I was like a whole set and he goes. Yeah, YOU'RE GONNA. Get eight knives. You're going to get some some chopping blades. Heck, you'll even get a bread knife and I'm like what what are you talking about? And he was actually talking about the Miracle Blade. You know the ones like on. Yeah, yeah, like the ones on TV and I. Actually brought one of them. Is a miracle boy. This blade is probably you know gosh man. This blade is probably close to twelve years old, and still is probably one of the best place that I found for hunting for in the field for in the field use of cleaning game now I can. It will skin, and it will debone me really well. It's a I don't know what they've done I don't know how they sharp Unicorn Tears. I don't know what they did, but it's probably one of the better blades that I've actually been able to utilize in the field. Actually from start to finish from cleaning the animal to skinning the animal to deboning the animal to eating the animal. I mean it's like it's like you're all around knife, but nowadays you can't find a miracle blade anymore. Though shoot can on Amazon, they have there and so, what are some of the ones that because we put some links in here? We're talking about well. That's on there. the bubble blades skinner's on there but the. Blade which a lot of guys are used. Oh yeah the secrets about that. I've got mine I've got mine here and this is actually the larger Peralta and it's If you're listening to this, it's still has it is caked in. Here, but I mean it's pretty bad. It's pretty warm. You look like you've washed that knife a whole lot I. don't I because I replaced the blades, and that's what's really nice about these. Lawns and Gerber makes a really good one, too. That have replaceable blades tell about replacing blades, so my uncle his own restaurants for a long time and. Is a chef and. We were talking knives chefs in their knives and all that stuff, and as far as like at his house in his kitchen. And you'd be surprised at what he says. He goes in buys like a just a set that you'd buy. Sam's Club or Costco or something like that. And he's like they're pretty good. You know spent a couple hundred bucks for a set of knives in all. Use them until they get doll, and then I threw away and then I. Go buy new set because like because he's I guess his thing is like once they they will hold the Dads, or whatever, like if after a certain amount of time it's just it's done so that's interesting because you see all. All these cooking shows, and they unroll like this leather holder that they unroll, and it's like the big reveal of kind of knives probably, but it's of dollars of Nice. It's just the same thing is to the miracle. Blade and go on. You know what it's a great blade. It'll last me so long. It's not your cost, you a lot of money, and it's like the I. mean the parental the prompter. On. I mean it's a thirty dollar knife. your blade replacements. You'll get twelve to fifteen of them, and it's one blade can last you three to four year. Yeah, because you're not gonNA. You're not do lot of your finer cuts with this. You know you're going to get in there. You're going to clean the animal. And that's really all we use that blade for, and then I'll move either to like for a skinning knife like I'll move to only fixed blade knives. I! Don't use any folders for. Purposes, because if you're get going and your, you know your pillow that hide back and you're running over that skin. And you don't need anything to fail and I've never found a fixed blade that has failed me on that love fixed blades for that another another knife tool in the toolbox when you're out outside into the outdoors is some kind of machete. I love a machete. Just multi-purpose we'll. We'll run out in the morning. Go Duck hunting, and we'll chop a bunch of brush to brush up. Even the boat has a blind built in right away. One of the ways we hunt, but we'll get extra brush to kind of make it. Look natural and all. All, that just stop at a spot and and cut some brush with machetes, and the did the modern ones are awesome. Yeah, so you're you're you hunt you? You've hunted ducks a lot more than I. Have I mean? It's just you know how we grew up the areas that we grew up kind of different just different locations. What what would be your advice for a guy had now into the woods, like I'm going to cut in this year and a good knife. What what advice would you give him on what to look for well I mean? The machete or something like that? If you'RE GONNA cut brush, which is helpful. Honestly the way I typically do docs is eventually. You know you clean them, or however you need to transport them the right way right, but a lot of times I will I'll use a fully knife till I rest out the docks, or whatever if I. If I, have time I love to to pluck them and do it that way. Because like I said I like to cook. So I like to have the skin on and have that option but fully night a flight and smallish fully knife. That's one of the things and I've actually used the have long in the Gerber. Knives for for clean dogs, but I'd never thought about I mean again, that's comes from years of use and what works what doesn't and I think a lot of this is is just that is his were gaining this knowledge because I wouldn't take this skinning knife fixed blade I mean it. Will it work? Yeah, it probably will, but it's just not the ideal blade. Use for the job that you're going to do yeah. Yeah, we just we get into when it comes to really all this stuff whether it's shooting or hunting or whatever, but especially hunting. Oh my gosh, it's all very gear centric. It is and so it's on one hand. It's fun to talk about all the cool gear on the other hand. You don't want to discourage people. You want to say look. You don't have to buy everything at the best rower. CABELA's or whatever you know needed a certain things less you just like it. I used to be that guy like I used to be the guy that like okay. My cammo has to match because you're so right. I have to have the top of the line gear, and now I'm finding ways to save money because you know I. Don't have a lot. A more of a running gun Kinda guy when it comes to my hunting strategies, and so I can't carry a lot of gear. I used I mean I've been running. You know I would run. I don't know I would have thirty tree stands. Why just have one a good pair of climate sticks and clear out all your shooting before season? You'll have to go in and man I was buying everything I'd buy it all. Yeah, every single cent that I made that I I actually was going to. San Dope e Buck P. Whatever. Whatever was out there. Milking does say you know just trying to get every advantage I could, but it's the simple strategies in simple ways to save money like I just by the good, but one thing that you do need to like watch out for is the gear that is essential and I think. Knives are one of those deals. Yeah I like to honestly. I like having a a knife on me on my person so in a sheath with a belt. In my belt, that's that's a nice. They another thing about knives. Our Good Buddy Cy Brown. We've had on Guntalk Hunt Yes. He's a big fan of. He's a big hog hunter. And he carries Vaca- bar a big K bar like seven nine inch blade bar that. Is Good for sticking I take. Off another, that's a different of a nice yeah. I kind of go about it a little bit different in in my hunting pack I will I'll carry my fixed blades carry a couple of fixed blades, a gutter and a skinner Those are the two bites. I'll have and they don't have unless you're going county. Yeah, unless I'm just take nothing. But but I'll I'll. I'll just carry a utilitarian knife. You know whether you need to cut you know rope for or anything like that something that you can use around camp and that's really all I'm using. Those are so disposable I. Mean you get rid of those out? Wait a minute. Think about the knife. We were looking at last week. Smith and Wesson accessories they have Smith. West knives they do and they had a I guess I'd call it a machete type of of big huge blade, but on the top of it was it upside down basically use a saw. Yeah, it was a song. That's a great nice to have to I. Mean It's you know? I mean something that doesn't take up a lot of room. That's you know eight to twelve inches long as would be a great option as least firs blade size IOS. So. This just a little knife. Talk for You A. You know. We didn't get too far down the weeds. As far as how should it have you know drop poisoner? What what should the Tang be? You know? We didn't get down in the weeds, but it's more of over and overall philosophy on how you know. You need to rethink the tools in your kit. And especially for beginner hunters, I mean I. think that's one of the easiest things to get lost in is what are the essentials right? Yeah, a good fixed blade, but think about what you're going to be using it for It's different if you're clean ducts, or if you're cleaning and elk, it is absolutely and think outside the box. Just like your filet knife on ducks yeah. So, if you're interested, click the links in the description and we've got some of the stuff we talked about nationally. It'll take you to a place that has lots and lots of Nile. You can go down that rabbit hole. You're probably. LAID HQ is. One of the easiest size to spend all our well the the problem, but it's really great. It really is that you go and you go well. That's really cool. You like what? That's only thirty bucks. Yeah, I'm totally going to get one of those. And then after after it's all said and done. You spend a few hundred dollars, and you've got eight knives on the way to you. I mean it's an easy thing to do. Yeah, there's an eye for everything go. That's it for us. Thanks for listening to gun talk hunt.

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3 Podcast Tools to Enhance Your Show

Ms Ileane Presents The Anchor Show

17:03 min | 1 year ago

3 Podcast Tools to Enhance Your Show

"Thank you for joining me. Days episode of the anger show host barrel. Miss I bean and today I wanNA introduce you to three podcast in told us to enhance your podcast and just to experiment with in your show. So thanks so much for listening. Today I have three tools that I quickly want to introduce you to now What I want to say before I go into these normally when I do tutorials and all that I have all my ducks in a row when I know all the INS and outs of most of the tools that I introduced you guys too but in this case there's two of them that I am just scratching the surface on and I want you to give me your feedback if you've heard these tools before and if you have any tips that you can share with all the listeners of the anchor show so with that sent. Let's get into the I tool. And that is pod. Hunt pod hunt. Now you may have heard of product hunt which is a site where new products are introduced and people in the community vote up on those products while pod hunt is almost the same thing for podcasting. So I'll let you hear what they say about themselves from their about page pied hunt is a daily curation of the best new podcast inspired by the former product hunt. Podcast category pod hunt is is a place for podcast lovers to submit and vote on new episodes and attempt to solve podcast. Discovery built around episodes rather than podcasts. As a whole so you're going to be able to find hunt. Actually this link that I'm going to give you will take you to the things that I voted on and you can check to see if you WanNa vote any of those up but it's also going to give you a log in at the top of the page and that's going to be. Eileen dot link slash pod Hunt Eileen that link slash pod hunt. Now I'm GonNa just go over to the homepage pot hunt and you'll see like for example. Today there's been two episodes that people have submitted and nurses not early in the day so a lot of activity yesterday there was about nine episodes that were submitted and one of them has five votes. So you see that. There's a lot of growth potential here get an while it's early. Get your show up to the top of the list for the day on Friday. I submit it one of the episodes that I really liked and we got two votes. So you know it's just a burgeoning platform that is really based on a very successful model that they've done over on product hunt so this one is called Pod Hunt and once again just go to. Eileen dot link slash Pied Hunt now the next tool that I wanna tell you about. Oh my gosh I am so excited about this one because it has combined two of my favorite things podcasting and live streaming now. You've heard of this APP before because especially if your podcast or when anchor anchor automatically submit your show to this APP but they also have some other hidden features that I want to explore with you this morning so cast box cast box is the name of the APP and it works just like regular podcast listening APPs and you can subscribe to your show. There's a little bit of a social aspect to it. Were you can follow people and all that stuff in there but what I wanNA talk to you about. Today is the live cast okay. So before we get to the live cast. Let me just read what it says. This is on their mission statement. Page our mission to connect people to information through listening whenever and wherever they want our vision be the heart of the spoken audio revolution. That's a tall task but that's nice. I really liked their mission as well as their vision and this morning as I was exploring these different apps that I want to bring to you today. I ventured over into their live cast area. Now I'd seen it before and I'd Hinden hard about. Was I going to go ahead? And do a live cast over there and you know I've talked about in the past spreaker. Is another APP that you can use to go live with your podcast but something about this intrigued me this morning so I went over there and not that I need one but I started another podcast and because I was just putting it together really quickly. I came up with a really catchy name that I know will be easy for you to remember. It's called I lean cast Eileen cast so the lake for you to get over there. Is I lean dot link slash? I lean cast okay so only. Eileen cash to see that I have one episode but in order to get over to the homepage of CASS box. You just going to go to cast box. Fm That's if you're on your desktop you can also do these live casts from your phone as well so I just wanted to let you know you have the cast box APP and it is android and irs compatible so. If you have that APP you can do that from there. As well and on the homepage of the website. You'll see the get the APP for podcasters. And then that next tab is live cast and it gives you a little brief rundown of what it's all about and of course you know me. I just dove right in and I started an episode. Sworn in and it was about thirteen minutes long and content. You've never heard before when any of my other podcasts. And things and it was just me Kinda Ariffin off the top of the head and I wound up getting one person come in and they were very nice and So I think it's worth exploring and you know like I said if you've ever used cashbox or thought about going into a live podcast then let me know. Give me your feedback. You know you guys can always call into the show here on anchor. And if you're not on anchor I have a special link for that as well you can call in through. Eileen dot link slash message. And I'll put that in the show notes as well so that means wherever. You're listening to this no matter what. App Your honor. If you're on the website you'll be able to get back to my link where you can leave me a call in. That's a sixty second audio message. Okay all right so this last APP that I wanNA tell you about. It's a good APP if you're looking for podcast. This is a way not just from the aspect of listening to podcasts. But let's say you have an idea for a podcast and you WANNA know if there's other shows out there with your idea. Maybe it's just something. That super-duper Niche okay. I'll like for example. My friend Andy who is in the livestream here that I'm actually recording this on twitch and I know the Andy Lives in Tennessee so maybe he wants to do a podcast about where to get the best ribs in his town in Tennessee. Okay because I know the Andy Lights ribs all right so now he could go into listen notes and search to see if there's other podcasts. That are coming from his town or about Tennessee or about life in Tennessee or about food and Tennessee and he can get an idea of just what else is out there and if anybody else is talking about this topic now that doesn't mean if nobody's talking about it. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it but if anything that may be a reason why you need to do it is because nobody else has a podcast out there like that okay. So I recommend listen notes to be used for the purpose of searching podcasts. They have a huge database. You can search by episodes so to find out if there's anything that would be of interest not just for listening but just for researching to help you develop your content now with all that said they have another feature but let me I read what they say on their about page. It's the best podcast search engine and if actually trademarked that little slogan okay so another thing you can do in listen notes and this is the part that I'm not all that thrilled about but you may find a better use for it than I have. And it's you can set up your own page. Where all the podcast? That you listen to our so you can head over to I dot link slash. Listen notes to see and not basically. Just have my two podcasts. In there right now but there's another little finicky thing about listen notes that I'm not too fond of and that's the fact that they make you. Click a link to la again all the time which. I guess most folks aren't using it. They log in to use this site so there's probably more that. I need to understand about why they're doing that. But if you just WANNA go check out my profile see what? It looks like. You can add your twitter your instagram your youtube and all that so this is just another little way to Have sort of a landing page for your all. Your shows not as good as pie chaser. You guys know in the previous episode here. I talked about Pie chaser which is a full blown profile like the Internet movie database for you can put all of your shows and all of your content but this is sort of just a little quick many landing page if you've got more than one show so anyway that's it for today. I really really want to hear from you guys. Let me know if there's any tools out there that you're curious about call in and let me know and I can tell you if I've got experience with them or maybe it's worth me exploring as well that matter where you're listening to this podcast. Just go to Eileen dot link slash message and you can leave me a sixty second audio message. I look forward to hearing from you. Bye for now. Join US again. Next time when we will be back with more tips techniques and cheats to achieve the rewards. You deserve. Thank you so much for your time. Say as pleased that your podcast her. So the union never ever miss us by for now and thanks so much for listening.

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Mark Ellis, Jessie Maltin and Leonard Maltin guest

Doug Loves Movies

1:00:34 hr | 5 months ago

Mark Ellis, Jessie Maltin and Leonard Maltin guest

"Don T you walls with everybody my name is Doug and I love Malton. This is Douglas Movies Kobe. Tijuana's again from cataclysmic. It's Thursday we compete twenty twenty The year we will always remember and while it is clearly established that I love movies. I've got three guests today. That are some of the people out there that I would argue possibly love them more than I do. It's Mark Ellis Jesse Malton and Leonard Maltin. Hey thank you. I'm actually on a website where it looks like. I can change my last name to Maldon. It's only gonNA take about thirty five minutes so Jesse they'll have me. I can do it by the end of the show cu les. I don't hate letter brother. Subway help you die your hair exactly. Well my husband's getting tired of it so they don't WanNa do it really. Your husband helps you with it. He does help. He's very useful. He he he does help go now. I can't feel him away from the playstation so I don't even know if we're still married Jessie brother because my job is not to die. Your hair it's to put gum at them. Laugh at you I will. That's my my mom always loves to talk about the that when my parents wanted me to be a surprise my gender. I should say to surprise a baby as a whole surprise and my mom went when I was born and I was a girl I mom said. Are you disappointed? My Dad said No. I have no idea what I'm boy I have. I have no skills. I had no manual skills by Gamma Paul. You can't be like hey let's go out and throw a film around but just all the movie watching. I would love that. I mean that's part of why I'm so in movies is. My parents took me to movies all the time Charan. Let's meet my guests individually so everybody knows who's talking as we move forward Mark Ellis's here. Hey Mark always a pleasure. Nicest kind of see. What's this about me being on some sort of team on the on the SCHMO down? Congratulations I saw tweet and I couldn't believe it it a show that I've been trying to get you on for years you've signed on with a faction and it looks like you're on the usual suspects. Is that correct with Sam Levine? Being your manager. Yeah that's what happened. Is Sam Levine was like hey you know you're not gonNa have to do much could you? Just you know. Could you just agree to be on my team like okay and then I see all over the Internet draft pick bed said you know like what what am I doing what's happening? Yeah MC cited. I'm excited for don't fall for the Nice Guy. Sam WOULD BE ROUTINE. Comes off through just a plucky underdog act or hey remember from all my movies and shows once he is. Your manager is a taskmaster specific. It's very it's like Vince. Lombardi is coaching a movie trivia team. So cord for a lot of mental reps with bad guy buddies. Made you a better player and I look forward to announce a your I. I feel like he's going to keep me on the bench as much as possible. I got I think I'm just sorta show pony to him. Well you're one of these because sometimes we shoot a lot of matches in a day and you're one of these competitors that I would recommend we book earlier in the day then later because there's some competitors where we'll have to their own devices throughout the afternoon maybe they're not as mentally sharp as they would be in a morning time slot so you're more of a morning trivia editor way I see. Oh here saying that that I should wake bank and then do trivia no dog. I was actually thinking before the bathing began but whatever is definitely preps is fine. Well you know I like to think that I am the poster child for the fact that you can be high at remember the most obscure Trivia. All you are that I really am Leonard. If you love him some her twenty this adopt dog. Instead of me I'LL BE HONEST. He He'd be tempted. That's Chelsea Malta. Everybody as knee. You're not not home alone. Yeah exactly that. That was rough now. Yup Year my parents and I got separated on flights and got to New York. And they didn't and you. We wound up on a connecting flight Internet. Yeah so they were stuck in Chicago. When I was home alone in New York yes I years old but still did you stay at the same place. The Kevin stayed at home alone two. I wish that would have been better. Where was that there was like the The some fancy right. It was it was because it was we were we were going to be getting on to the to the cruise. So they were. They put us up where they had every all the other guests. I don't remember the name of it though prosecutor asking where home. Oh that you know. He's IT WAS I. I know he ran the lobby. Yes the plaza I think. Yeah why if it's good enough for elway's yeah baby. That's where Dunston state. So Jesse. What's what's the current so where you living are all the Malton together in one house always share our. We have Allison Leonard. My mother in the House. They're not allowed to see other human beings. We've got a pretty sizable on the door. I've actually this is the time I've let you out of your room. In what a month and a hat. You must work or something like that but we figured you know you just have to deal with it. That's how we have to keep national treasures states We're we are all in the house together. Two dogs need my husband. My Mom my dad. We're watching a lot of movies a lot of TV shows My Dad I are trying to work which is interesting. Because it's hard to get things done Where here it sounds like. You know a fun place to be to be honest with you. I take like wherever mark is right now. Probably pretty sad thing when the adoption goes through he can just come into the gas. Oh exactly but no honestly on a on a series now we feel very lucky that where together and we make each other laugh and we have a good time at a house. Yeah Oh yeah very lucky young and just have the dogs honestly is the best of the best. Like don't observe definitely in my top five. I miss the because of this off because you can't you can't go to train dogs anymore. I will bring my dog to you anytime you want. Oh love that our that wants to see you. Let's say hello to the man. The Legend himself STAR GRANDMA'S TO THE NEW BATCH Mr Leonard. Maltin is here county doers. Howdy indeed our how. How many movies do you watch Leonard since the since you got locked in a room by your daughter? I mean I'm not looking to break any records but You know average you one day and sometimes sometimes more I want to allow myself. Times digest them and make notes which I which I is my Artemije Ammo and was teaching the ladder art of I class for us on soon and His three hundred some students are we the only way we can do it said the the normal bodice. Operandi is that we can be on the speeder on the USC campus. Frank Sinatra Paul. Don't you know at nor Where you used to sneak in many years ago. Yeah we We could no longer convene so we went to zoom. But that how we're GONNA show movie to everybody will turn out at all but like six of my many students and networks and Netflix has been very Prolific they've been you know a unveiling new movies are pretty regular basis so we. We decided vest the way we have to do it. Virtually of course and then Netflix publicity. Teen which has been very helpful a setup zoom interviews for me the filmmakers so. We did that for the last. I don't know about eight weeks seven or eight weeks of class and you know everybody has justin it so I don't have any major compliances reasonably well but I'm used to face in an audience. And why the Old Joke? I know you're out there. I can hear you breathing while I couldn't hear the breathing and they can raise their hands. Virtually and we take pole using Zun How many people like the movie? Holly didn't and stuff like that so we found ways to to make it all sort of work but it. It's definitely not. An equivalence is a substitute. Yeah well with the filmmaker there in zoom. You would say to all the students. Let's on whether we liked it or not. All I did. The interview separately. Did in Heloc hand-raising raising sounds like a lot of work to like. I think it should be like the. Nfl with coaches challenges. Like I think each student should get one hand raised. And if it's a good comment and they can continue to have a hand raise you. You should be making some of these rules. I think he's a letter. I think you probably heard it all when it comes to horrible Weird questions that audience members ask it? Acuna after a movie. Oh yeah fortunately not by class. They're really pretty good Al We remind them on the first night of the session of every semester that they're not here for debating society that the people who come to class directors writers producers cinematographers production designers costume designers actors. Even know they're giving their time to come down and do this and We're not here to insult doesn't mean cream questions but it's not a matter challenging that. Yeah I know that even a huge fan of somebody just their their words. Don't come outright. You know. But you're referring to some of the screenings around town especially during award season where people can often WanNa make speeches questions asking the question you know as a screenwriter myself. I often find. It's incredibly for to really focus on those characters vintage sitting there going please. God shut up. I've got a question and a comment and a resume very important. Have you been a screening? Doug where somebody in the back of the hall said. Can I have a? Yeah Yeah you know. What in my favorite people are the ones that a? But usually they're in a position they have to say yes. Then the person comes down they do. They're stupid hug anymore. Not after this world. That's one problem. Yeah the next time they ask. Can I have a hug? The answer should be. It's in the mail. Alright so Thanks again for being here. Let's play Games aren't bigger? We're going to start with a new game you does citing. Oh it's so it was suggested by ww CONAN dough co Nando yes ww W WWCO Nando on twitter and a didn't come up with a name I came up with the name and I'm so proud so the game the game is called witch-hunt and I'm GonNa go to you individually starting with mark we'll go alphabetically We'll start with mark and I'll name a movie in this game. Which aren't you have to tell me if it's agers Bonny Hunt Helen Hunt or Linda Hunt? Witch HUNT IS I. Three points wins. You ready mark. I am ready and I hope that they made a movie about mad about you Donnie. Bonnie Lynn Linda which was in the movie. Girls just want to have fun. Grosses want to have fun I I can't think of what the movie is off the top of my head. It sounds like a movie where a lot of girls might get into. Trouble may need a maternal figure to kind of keep them straight but have a sense of humor. So I'M GONNA say. Bonnie is in that mood. That is incorrect. Oh yeah exactly Jesse because now you have a chance to steal because you only have to choose between two people. Hellen or Linda in girls just want to have fun. Based on this Cindy lauper saw is at Jalan. What's that is it Hallen? That's your final answer. Sure dot is correct. Thanks mark for going. I very kind. I went on board I. Helen should have been the starter. I'm sure that Leonard Remembers this movie. Sarah Jessica Parker. Helen Hunt Played Two friends. Who try to get into a nationally televised dance contests nothing your favorite. I'm excited that all three were not terribly clear about who was in that movie because I thought that was. I thought that was what easy what so. Let's see how this goes done. Sorry your number. One Fan is just walked in Alice just came in and she wants to sit here just because she wants to be Niro. Who doesn't Miss? I'm sorry continue the game. All right thank you hi Alice. This is for Leonard you ready. Leonard I don't know dry me which of those Helen's was in the movie roller coaster which you might recall was one of the four movies that was released by universal with denser. That's I remember back. It was incense around yet. Hunt being. Yeah there was. Earthquake made a lot of sense for censor out because every time. There's an earthquake seeing the whole theater. Which is shake. But then ultimately they gave up on sense around when they tried it with zoot suit. I swear I saw zoot suit instead surround and whatever they'd like stab their fingers in the dance numbers the whole place. Which take you know whenever we're allowed in movie theaters again? That's what we need. We need some sense around more sense around. Yeah they're moving. There's a war movie called Midway. That was insensitive so that which one it is a liberal Helen Linda incorrect right Mark Doug Roller coaster because it was insensitive. I'm just the title of it. Sounds like sort of a disaster movie where things go wrong with the roller coaster and just by the process of elimination because we already had a helen hunt movie. I'M GONNA say my girl Bonnie's in it. I gotta say I'm sorry. You're wrong girl bobbing Jesse which one is left. Little Hell it is correct. Jesse's got two guys. I'm doing so well. Everybody killing it. Helen glaze the daughter. Leonard might find interesting. It's one of her early film roles he plays the daughter of George Segal. And Oh damn I had the name and then I lost it. So maybe I shouldn't have gotten high before this Ha- Susan and stuff okay. Yeah they were Helen. Hunt's parents and George Segal worked security at a Museums are no. He was a a bomb expert or something and so a guy was going around putting bombs on roller coasters. As one of the as it's a it's a really great movie if you WanNa see a slow boring movie that takes place. Almost exclusively in Amusement Parks Richard wit mark and Henry Fonda. Yeah just that what happened after the you fish intrigue was after. But it's still. It's still like you know people in jeopardy throw in sorry. I was intrigued. Okay yeah I read. It's A. It's a weird movie. I watched it a lot when I was a kid but again I think it's mostly the I was mostly watching it for the amusement parks but also did enjoy George of the movie actor when he used to be a leading mad So Jesse okay. We're about to you Leonard. You ready this one. I think you might know which one was in Peggy. Sue Got Married Helen. Correct and Leonard is on the board noticing. I'm hoping that to you mark Which one of those? Helen's is a voice in Monsters University. That is Bonny Hunt. Yes it is. You're both correct. Yeah my girl. Why is there a reason you keep referring to her that way? I have guessed bonny hunt more than anyone else on a trivia show today and so I am her we'd champion. So bonny hunt. This one's for you and I will see you after the show line. I do like her very much. All right That makes it Jesse Stern for the wind. Jesse you could win this thing right now. Which one of those hunts is in next of kin? No Oh Leonard not wishing to a lot of dead air here surrounding me there will. I'll say help. That is correct like a Helen. Heavy game it does right. Just just check out Helen on so Margaret King Sal and went to talented in bothered anybody. Else's Yeah I think Doug knew I was GONNA Guess Bonnie regardless and so he threw me to your turn again mark which one of them is in something called Jack Jock. I think it's Jock Jarque. Yes jock jock. The hero dog. Oh my gosh you know. A career can't be all highs. Everyone somebody's going to be in a in a Jack. The hero dog. I think that as much as I want to champion Bonnie again we've had our our share of Helen is well. I'M GONNA go. Linda Hunt was one of the stars of Jock Hero dog that's incorrect correct. Now I loved you stepping up their Linda but he's I didn't bother with her all right At least bought we'll see. We'll see what happens. Jesse what Bonnie. I like the way you play Jesse that's incorrect just Helen. Apparently but Leonard has to say what is be Helen. Hunt that is greg. You Win the game ball off scoreboard in the world. Oh that was exciting. Have we all now learned about movies? We've never heard of starring. Helen Hunt. I'll tell you something I learned looking looking at Helen. Helen Hunt movies. She is in a trilogy of movies. Like one of the stars of the trilogy that I'm kind kind of familiar with but it's called transfers real them there's transfers transfer chancers twitter's to trans three none of those subtitles. Just the number and three in I kinda want to figure out what these translators movies are all about. Because how is it a trilogy? But it's also not. I've never really amount familiar with it. You know like it did well enough they made at least one of those went direct to VHS cassette. I I think it is yeah. I think it was cases where I think. The original Trans Transfers was was popular on home video that spurred making parts two and three step further. I think what actually happened is nobody's ever seen any of the transfers. I think they were just Kinda Ciller at your local video update or blockbuster because they were never actually rented I remember seeing the jacket for transfers and always being like. That could be interesting. But then you'll always find something else. So transfers made never the bride poor translators. I wanted to have all three in stock at that one remaining It Ohio No. It's it's not a western state You guys three of you can discuss how you don't know where it is while. I'm waiting to tell you exactly. It's in Bend Oregon Oregon and it's great. It's so much fun to walk around it. I went there a few months back. And it just takes you back to walk around a video store to then eventually. You know leaving without ever making a selection. 'cause it's all right. We'll let one that gave. That means some some very exciting in store for Leonard in the next part of our show. We're going to go away for a second. I really take a brief commercial message. And we'll be right back. 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Yeah yeah the titles beneficially overhauled to it's men a man or woman change stanton to standing because it's just got acquired where new listeners don't know what the. Hell I'm talking about the Cry Game. I know right but you say last person standing in beloved memory of Harry Dean Sat Heo barrels off the town. Yeah Yeah I'll do that or that's what I'll do is we'll record you saying that Leonard not play. I guess we did just record you saying okay. So let's see here how we doing on time. Great great shape. So could I do also want to ask you guys a couple of questions at the end before we go so To pick a winner to determine a winner this we're gonNA play Last Person Standing and the advantage that Leonard Gaetz is not only does he get to go first because he won which he also gets to name. What actor or actress out. Goodness I know the pressure's on you gotta come up with somebody who you think you know a lot of their titles and even better somebody you think the rest of US might not be as well versed on our depict Bonny Hunt keeper by the dozen one cheaper by the dozen. I don't WanNa go obscure on guys like going back backwards in time. Just say Michael. Cain oh I love it. That's great. That's perfect who has Agassi. Do Michael Caine impression. Mark Mike Okay. He's McCain's perfect person to approach now. Because if you nail it cool but also if you get if you do it badly. It's also somehow funny. I'll go to Mike. Okay all right so tell me what quote what. Michael Cain movie. This is the breast on that thing jaws the revenge. I was GONNA wait until came up but yes it is in back jaws the revenge upon the first movie. I said anyway so it just it. All I did is art myself. I was guessing that like as a dumb guess. I didn't even think that would be the answer character named Hoagie. And he's hitting on Ellen Brody because obviously her husband's chief brody died of a heart attack because he was so scared of the shark even though he survived two movies it was so scared of the shark that he died offscreen and so he's romancing the Bahamas but the shark of the St almost each hoagie but he survives and as he's being back onto the boats you mentioned how bad the breath of the sharpest. Well then I own. I don't even know if I can continue after that studied. Something I mean I to this day today. What is it may something? I can't wrap my head around the fact that the first when when Michael Caine won the Oscar for Hannah and her sisters he couldn't be there couldn't be at the Oscars because he was stuck in the Bahamas Making Jaws. Revenge excuses go. Healy's was working. I guess okay so Leonard go first name a Michael. Cain movie outfit out. That's a really good one. What did you think of the remake with Jude Law? It was okay. Yeah that's what I thought thought. Well they good source material so they're able to make an okay movie out of it. Yeah all right. Mark Ellis Speaking of remakes say Carter. Oh that's interesting another should've left alone you well. That's one thing Boy Michael Gain is not doesn't have a problem with saying yes to remakes sequels. So I'll just say it. Batman Begins Jesse CIDER. House rules it really is the best of all the CIDER houses is true. Schools that rule so hard of that. You Leonard Zulu Oh my God. That's great one. I wouldn't say that one for little later Leonard. Well it was on my mind because I I at the jump festival several years ago when there still was an in person actual classic Film Festival. I got to seize Zulu on the big screen at the Egyptian theatre and It's a hell of a mood and and Great to see that way so it's still rattling around my memory. Love it Mark going back to Batman Doug the Dark Knight. Oh yeah well I'll just go ahead and A seal this one up in a The Dark Knight Rises Chassis and the Prestige Own Leonard. You remember having a favor between the prestige and the illusionist meter I would say none of the above. Yeah they both are great but it was just funny that there are two big starring vehicles big actors. That were both just about silly. Magicians many years later. They'd perfect genre with now. You could see me. Is that your next. Is that your next movie fucked up by saying that. Didn't I could kleindienst one or go ahead. Say it now you see me. It was your turn. Now it's Leonard Stern. What did you want to go with? Leonard Hannah and her sisters nuts also previously mentioned Mark with the muppet Christmas. Carol Right. Yeah that's a good one Okay so I'm GONNA go what kind of attempted to steal. Jesse's but I'M GONNA I'll let you have your just you take that that's okay so maybe to choose trump You know there's a lot of the finger-pointing about this band damage. But you know what I say. I say I blame it on Rio. Not really just the name. Game Movie Jesse Okay Jesse said now you see me? Is that what it's called? I don't know I got so confused because the first one's called now you see me but then they didn't call the second one now you don't they just call it now. You see me to see me now. You still see me now. You keep on seeing me on. Pretty Bananas. You keep recognizing me as something. That's in your accurate okay Back to you Leonard Sleuth. Okay now. Here's a really fun one because I can say to you now. What year. No Gosh it was an seventy two which one walk one with Michael. Cain and large Libya. Yeah I think yeah that sounds about right seventy two either. That's wrong. It sounds accurate. Yeah I don't care about the exact year I just wanted to establish something mark. Yes the first filming of that play. I will go ahead and say that. I'm already running on hymns will I do recall nineteen eighty seven. I WANNA say the Classic. Another movie should not have been touched dirty rotten scoundrels. Yeah that's me left alone so sure the girl in that Glenn Clinton had headley pass way rather young. You know Kinda young in the last couple of years right. It's and I think it's the saddest thing because she was. I mean I think around my age. She was in so much and so wonderful. She's great I will say. I don't know the year but they made lose again which ended instead of Lords. Olivier was jude. Law Back to you Jesse done Kirk. He's a man. Yeah sounds right letter. Get you confused. Shokhin Man yes answer. Almost all of these have any so good in that. Oh Yeah No. That's the thing is he brought. You know gravity and you know good performances to some of the most amazingly bad movies like. He's he's never bad but since AB- stinky my race. What he went through a patch around the time of Josh Movie Where he was saying. Yes to movies that some people are a lot of people thought he should have turned down and he said. Hey you know Miley responsibility is to give a good performance at that. That's it yeah. Yeah he's a he just You know is one of the first actors. I hear accurately describe acting in movies as you know they pay you to sit around and wait in the is the acting the fun part. Okay Mark I think that he does show up in interstellar for a bit. Yes the God confirmation from Jesse. Because I certainly don't remember whether or not he was in that one. Yeah I think he was all right. Jesse said he was so he is But speaking of the crappy movies I'm a from now on I'm only again named does Michael Caine movies. That are terrible if I can. I'd like to start with beyond the Poseidon Adventure. The king's men seem both he's one of my can't remember which one so it was. Just say the kingsman a lever. Both of they each have a different subtitle. Do you remember the subtitle? Either of them you say. One is like announced channing tatum. That's true excited. I wish I wish it was. It's not high again. Big Ever remember having Leonard. The Star of the movies name being in the title of the movie being Malkovich even the main character. Abbott and Costello meet the killer. Boris Karloff. Oh Yeah See. I knew you'd come up with something. Yeah I think it was called the golden circle the second one and the first one was a on. His Majesty secret service or something the yeah the kingsman. The Secret Service. Something like that was more of the same now. It wasn't I the second I I thought the first one was absolute right and then the second one I found it extremely frustrating is just an example of you know just because it's the same creative team that doesn't mean there's more more story to tell. I really don't like it in any where they just keep using the F. Word over and over To degree where it's like so we're just not can even write a script we're just gonNA keep saying to each other somehow that's going to be. Okay Great Yeah it is a it is a easy Goto and then you know. I also blame the actors. 'cause I bet you they ad-lib extra church because it just seems like anytime actors are having like what's supposed to be a conversation. Probably just pep with F. bombs just to sound like they're being tough. You Know Leonard Remembering not very good movie called the make make us mag us. Yeah I love. It was a Bergen that a long time ago. She was sounds like something she'd do. Yeah I mean I think magazine in English Murphy Brown Mark Boy Survived. One More Round because movie bids some might consider. Maybe not the best but I found it fully delightful when I saw it as a youth in that would be a movie. I rented instead of transfers Mr Destiny. Okay Yeah I don't think that movie is good yawn. It's Jim Belushi Rene Russo R. Thing yeah you just made it worse. I you know. They're all good actors but that was definitely a of its time there is the Jim Belushi. Somehow got four five starring roles in a row and there was a swing a mess every time. I'm going to say Oh. Yeah another classic of disaster movie that Michael Cain laughed. All the way to the bank. The swarm Oh yes yeah. The swarm very early on in the swarm. One of the most classic lines of all time a helicopter gets taken down by a swarm of bees which okay When when the bees hit his windshield there's a couple of hundred of them and he goes these BS millions of bees. Our helicopter crash now. That wasn't Michael. Cain say Michael Cates Base B.'s. Millions OF I. I've never seen him on the MERV Griffin show where they devoted an entire episode. We'll movie this more and I. He said the reason that he did it was so they can work with Henry Fonda and Richard Mark who were on the show with. Wow I mean that's cool. Did they got like they play bridge every day on the sand or something something like that passing passing by the time now okay? So we're back to you Jesse and Juliet all my God actually a delightful film. What about Sherlock GNOMES? I think it was pretty key to Elton. John Music in it I think. Yeah yes mark. Oh Boy We at the end of the road. We might be the end of the road. I I'm rooting for him. To have been struck by something strange Andy Aging along with Wilfred Brindley cocoon now wasn't in cocoon to scrapping that point. He he didn't look old yet using the Bahamas Thank you for playing mark but duke. Do please stick around for more more storytelling. Just so it's my turn our our. Oh you know what I got apologize. I can't think of another crappy right right off hand but I thought of a great one. The man who would be king the new beverly that was at the new beverly recently. And I I really WanNa go and I didn't for some reason now now of course really wish I. This is the last one. I've got bewitched. Okay he wishes last one very. Ob witched yes. Yeesh that movies so which would show which. Which did he play? I feel like he was with who they had playing the the under the door like he was he was with her but I don O. Arthur maybe. Yeah something like that. I just remember his voice. Yeah I know that one of the wacky which is that. She's related to the movie. Was think with Steve Carell. Gosh it's all a blur because there was bad I get that movie. And that Stepford wives remake the to those two movies are just a big blur of awful to me. If only which I watched it on a plane that tells you little there was on the plane. I watched it on a plane and also tells you how many months ago it was plain still existed but all right so back to Leonard Inception all man. You're good yeah myself with that one. I should just guests Nolan movies. Dammit my dad. My Dad hosted the ceremony for Michael. Cain getting his hand and footprint at Grauman's authors more to the story was that was it. He said three or four but that that was a pleasure. He's he's he's a delightful man to talk to head several nice interviews with him and he's so what you see is what you get. All guess. Is He Is he like when he sees you? He knows who you are. I think by now yes. Yeah I mean that is so cool I landed and I'm also just sitting here trying to think of something else and to the so many more decades. There's just he's just so Prolific and I my. My brain is just justifying frying at this point from trying to think of all of them. You have another one Leonard now. He's done. He's done a couple of small films in recent years you know in the British films That that I've seen and now can't remember. Yeah I just remembered one that he was just in recently. The kinda mixed resettle a big one. Educating Rita all very big the press is calling on this one yeah I was Gonna say that it wasn't wasn't there movie. That just came out last. Couple of years called the truth or Like Jane Fonda was in it and Michael Caine. I pulled a Jesse Maldon after I got knocked out. I went on his DB I don't see anything. Trust is the one word title from like the last two or three years I do see he's already been announced in now. You see me. Three fat helps outright. So that's what hello. Yeah okay good. I thought I accidentally hung up on you guys What else is there that surprising to you? Mark isn't on you is out. You're thinking maybe youth youth youth if you know trust us it's a hinden harvey town and Rachel Weiss and Jane Fonda. Yeah as a weird one did you. Did you see it Leonard? I don't recall like you know it was. It had like awards buzz you know like. I think I think somebody in a got supporting nod somewhere like at the Gold Merle August one on here. That really upset me that I that I forgot it. And then there's another one that I should have known but other than that. I mean it's a lot of movies but there's just a couple that I'm like kicking myself about whether those Austin powers in Goldmember right and If you want bad movies dog and you want whole areas villain turns then you need to see the Steven Seagal? Classic on deadly Ground Michael Caine was like the greedy oil guy. Alright I'll secondhand lions. That was a good one. Oh Yeah with Robert duvall. Yeah Oh yeah. I'll miss congeniality. I'm embarrassed that I forgot because I'm sure he's in both of them. He gives her the assignment right as her coach. As the person who gets ready to the Badgett's Oh boy well. You're a winner. Leonard. You did it. I don't know how articulate living a long life that may be right but just you're it also shows how great Michael Cain is got so many titles yet that we can all actually remember Do you can even forget so absolutely for a lot of them do you. Leonard House a like number one recommendation from movies. You've been watching over the last Week or so Well our we've been posting on my a website letter dot com if you're wondering among movie Clo- choice every week or so and these are all films that I like a lot and tend to be on the offbeat side a stream -able that was the main criteria because there's no point in saying this is a great fill. You can't watch it but it's great and the West. While we hosted I guess was the medlar and then with Susan Serandon row Cafaro the Hustler's that is good movie. This sort of just fell through the cracks and a good movie comedy-drama and strong performances and also seems Fosse's wonder which is a lovely film. Oh yeah and with Julia Roberts and Owen Wilson Young Jacob Tremblay and your next the one that will go up Tomorrow is my life is key. A terrific animated film Euros Oscar nominee a couple of years ago French but then was also dubbed in English and they release them separately but Turning what else you walks lucky Harridan lucky. Just which is I. I'm just crazy about yet directed by the actor John Carroll Lynch Right. That's right that's right and it was cast it was written by Harry Gains Longtime assistant coach by his longtime assistant and they cast it out of Harry. Deans Rolodex so to speak. It's all cronies and pounds of his. Yes there's a fantastic monologue in it delivered by David Lynch. Yeah that's right. He's trying to get a lynch to be to do this. Show 'cause I figure you know what else you got to do in quarantine that's right. I want you to have a Verna gone with all Tompkins. The that's yeah okay. I'll try to make that habit Mark Ellis. Do you have any anything to recommend? People Watch right now yet. I well first of all. I also have a dad. Who's a big movie? Buff and his website is Leonard. Maltin DOT COM. Everybody can go check out what my dad does and for me. I've been watching mostly I. I'm like watching the Sopranos organized. I've never seen it so I'm doing a little more. Tv than movies. But I did recently watch speaking of Father's onward the Pixar movie which I hadn't call yet and It's it's really really good that it's it's like very feel-good bite you're GONNA GET EMOTIONAL. Kinda Hicks movie so highly recommend yes. I Echo that I won't be well. That's Mary very glad that You know we have a lot of suggestions of things for people to check out any Could you mark and then also Jesse and Leonard Analysis. Could you you take a photo Saudis in your current environment that you're at doing this August that You could Send to me and then I will Create a little of collage of all of us for the To advertise the show down ends up absolutely. Do that are in if if the folks run out of movies and TV shows to stream. My special dog stepfather is now available on Amazon prime to watch so everybody can go check that that's cool. That's so cool. We've we've been starting to since my dad and I have been doing a lot of the podcast as the two of us here at home. We started filming them and are starting to put them up on Youtube. And we just started a series about animation where SORTA GONNA do a deep dive with a couple of different folks in getting books might accurate and stuff like that. It's you know you keep trying to come up with ways to do something that is signed for you. But also a nice distraction for everybody else because it's so crazy there. It's the perfect perfect way to go. You know that's what the ratings do right now. Is You know. Do It makes you happy. And hopefully it makes others happy as well. Then everybody's at least as happy as as we can be considering now. Don't forget everybody that there's a douglas movies twitter account. Now let's go to at a bus newbies. If you want to assert yourself is a true fan of and Yeah I can't I can't thank you enough for For being here and Will hopefully in person against to Dan Straight looking forward to it as always roads where we're going we don't need roads. I'm doing there. 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The Pragmatic Programmer celebrates 20 years with Dave Thomas and Andy Hunt

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The Pragmatic Programmer celebrates 20 years with Dave Thomas and Andy Hunt

"This episode is sponsored by data dog with three hundred and fifty plus integration as well as metrics logs traces and a._p._m. Data dog enables your team to quickly find and fix issues before they escalate visualize your micro services architecture with the service map spot unusual trends with a log patterns view and and monitor the availability of your services with synthetics start a free fourteen day trial of data dog today and receive a complimentary t-shirt by visiting bitterly dot com slash data dog shirt. That's bitterly dot com slash data dog shirt <music> and this is scott hanson another episode hansel minutes today. I'm chatting with andrew hunt and dave thomas authors of the pragmatic programmer from tournament a master now in its twentieth year. How are you gentlemen. We're thanks for having us. I notice and you get an andrew and i just gotta dave. I mean you know what's funny is that that's that's one of the other combinations because when we first wrote the book it was andrew and david because you know we were young trying to make a name for ourselves and then all the books we've written since then have been david andy or andy and dave and <hes> so we still kind of random permutations nations is their preferred one. I don't know i guess my dad is dave so i'm afraid i got a little sloppy there. No that's what i go bye. Okay andy david and this is twenty years old which feels impossible. I mean i it. It feels fresh. Russia reads fresh. Did you know when you were writing it that it was going to be a seminal work. Do you sit down and say you know. Let's write a book but let's make it's a seminal work or did you just slap the keyboard and it turned out that way. I the only person in history who said i'm going to write. A bestseller was jeffrey auditor and he won't because he was bankrupt and he needed the money. I think otherwise it's just i mean you write the book you write and you you see what happens i mean. I think both of us were stunned. When it took off because for us it was an exercise in really as much as anything else is trying to clarify our own thoughts and put down what was to us kind of like common sense that our clients at the time weren't really seeing is commonsense so it was almost like a crystallization of set of notes when we wrote it so you're writing it down to explain it yourself. Make sure that what you think you know is what you know yeah and to our clients. I mean we we kinda got. We went through a period where we're going into on site and just about everybody we went to. I mean typically consultant. You don't get brought in with things a wonderful anyway but the people that we were brought into all had the same kind of problems <hes> their builds weren't consistent. There were shipping code hadn't tested. They were designing things things in such a way. It was impossible to change them and so we thought well let's save ourselves at a time in heartache by just jotting down notes we can give to them and that turned into the pragmatic programmer. The i mean the original thought was we didn't even seek out to do a book to begin with. We're just going to write a white paper. You know literally just just some notes notes just to save us a little time going into the next client and you know projects grow in scope right so you know the little white paper became more of a full-fledged book but you know that was that was our intent we didn't we had no notion that this would be a popular at all or any kind of bestseller we just kind of we're like wow we we can actually get this printed and published. You know that's that's really cool it. We figured our moms would buy a copy and you know maybe a few friends but not much more than that. It sounds like you're you're trying not to repeat yourself in this case. You'd being dry because you're like you know. People keep asking us this. We should probably just make fac and then we can handle that the client the welcome. You've just hired us. Here's the here's how we were basically basically and then as dave said as we started looking at that that level of project like well okay we we have a chance to make this this fact this white paper water the most important things that we could say. We don't want to waste time talking about well. You know you should informat your code this way or it here to the one true brace style or or you know that that level of stuff so it's like well. What do you want to say and what is the most important and how can we. How can we say that we convey that in a way that people will will remember it and understand it and really rocket because as much as as i'd love to you can't go in and tell people you have to brush your teeth and eat your broccoli and and you know that that kind of advice it's like yes that's true but people tune out but they won't they won't necessarily and if nothing else eager to eat your broccoli and then brush your teeth otherwise it's no point water is important absolutely uh and i i think the other thing that was really beneficial to us was that <hes> at that time we were working with a really wide variety of clients in a whole bunch of different industries different languages different operating systems and so the walls no one-size-fits-all <hes> so we were kind of forced to go go back a level and look at it from the kind of the meta level if you like of what are the underlying concepts as opposed to one of the tools and i think that's probably possibly one of the reasons that we <hes> we were lucky with the book is that we didn't make specific or too specific to one set when you're working in software uh and especially or object oriented software your people are always saying if you can name it you can claim it. People will spend days trying to name the right class. Just get the they say the name right then they'll understand it in the design. We'll just fall out from it. How important was it to call it pragmatic when you discover that word pragmatic. You didn't call it the dogmatic programmer you needed the pragmatic programmer when you nailed that word was that the word that you needed or was that just a word we wanted because and i'd i'd almost forgotten this until i saw a some interview from back in the day but at the time like with twitter today were read it there was a lot of discussion on a usenet on comp dot com object and some of these other newsgroups and there was a long running arguments lashed discussion about whether programming was craft or not and and and you know all kinds of the follow on arguments well if it's not is it art is it science engineering is that and the answer is yes. You know it's it's it's all these things in measure but in particular there was a strain of thought at the time which kind of virulent persists to this day that is very dogmatic that says you must abide by this principle and you must do this and you must do this this way and we looked at these and they're like well yeah no it. It doesn't work like that. Really i mean yes a lot of the time. This principle can be helpful. This practice can be helpful this <hes> you know this paradigm it can be useful but not always and you need to know the difference so we very much pushed deliberately against the the what we perceived as the dogmatic matic approach an approach is being pushed at the time said no you gotta you gotta look at things in context you've got to be able to apply these lessons where and when they make sense and i think a lot of that we tried to capture in the book of trying to give that sense of you know. This is what you need to look at to evaluate. Is this the right thing to do here in this context. You can't just blindly say. I'm gonna use ohio. I'm gonna use functional programming or i'm gonna use scrum or i'm gonna use khloe. Whatever whatever it is <hes> it has to fit the situation yeah. That's absolutely true. I mean i think one thing i like to put up on slides as zony won't universal so rule and that is that there are no universal rules <hes> and i think that's that's very very true and i think one of the things that we try to be is an it's powder on our readers because what we're doing with pushing back on the we're trying not to say do this. We're trying to say here the options here all things other people will do now. Go work at what works view because there are no to develop doing the same thing at the same time in the same environment etc your shutter so it's pretty much much guaranteed that there's no such thing as a best practice we've been we've been talking at <hes> at my job about how to interview people especially now that new fresh generation ratio of developers coming in and a lot of people have been pushing back on white boarding interviews and pushing back on how we interview people because they feel that it is asking a bunch of trivia and one of one of the bosses proposed that were less interested in people who have the answers more interested in people who know the right question to absolutely. That's a really good way. <hes> from my personal experience is some of the best developers of hired couldn't program at the time you know i mean nowadays you can get productive in a couple of months up to a level. Where you're you know you're paying back your salary so i think you're looking at the personality absolutely i'd i had i had the very the very same experience one of the one of the best see programmers i ever met had an advanced degree in botany and he used to go on literally like expeditions into the amazon to collect. Some you know tell me he was looking for bugs annoys plants. I'm sure talk pugs involved but yeah but no it's yeah it's absolutely it's it's the it's your <hes> part of personality but your outlook you know that that kind of insatiable insatiable curiosity about the world and if you're willing to go traipse into the farthest jungle with head hunters actual head hunters who liked like cannibals not the scary kind who you know try to get you jobs and stuff but if you're willing to traipse out into the jungle to look for plants just because it's cool you know yeah you willing to read a few man pages. Look up a few things on the web figure out how stuff works <hes> but it's at that driving curiosity. Hey this is neat. How does this work what what's behind hines where this come from. Can i use this. You know that's really the driving force i think. Will you bring up an interesting point here because we're we're. We're hearing a podcast with with with with all due respect to all of us bunch of older programmers. We probably got one hundred years of programming experience between us and dave just said we know you can get up to speed and a couple of weeks and you know start paying back. You're you're studying. <hes> it's interesting. It's one of those things where it's like the game of go right where it's a minute to learn and lifetime to master. I'm not hearing from either of you any kind of what they call these days 'gate-keeping where it's like well you know you need a software engineering degree a master's thesis before you can start writing that h._t._m._l. Tim l. i'm hearing an enthusiasm for people to start programming right away and just start asking the right questions so i let you into a little secret. I <hes> <hes> i'm teaching. 'em teaching two classes <hes> undergraduate level at s._m._u. <hes> just to <hes> well well for two reasons one of them is i want to corrupt the youth so i'm teaching them things that you know like functional programming that they wouldn't get otherwise but the other reason in his i have this nagging feeling that <hes> particularly computer science education is really poorly serving <hes> both the industry and on the student in that these people are coming out of university with tens. Maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt and yet in terms of the <hes> value to the industry as a whole. They're really not that much different. People that go through an eight week or whatever boot camp eight months like i said is boot camp <hes> in that they they aren't being shown the real world <hes> and what they're being shown is like you know various ideas on how to do certain things in c. Plus plus or whatever it might be and i mean for example. I teach <hes> <hes> people in the third fourth year and the master students and pretty much universally not a single one of them has ever been shown any any form of testing so far in their kohl's <hes> so it's <hes> yeah you you're never gonna get me saying oh yeah you need a degree in this <hes> you know i would much rather hire somebody who had their eye attitude and who i liked who is smart aw and who could talk to people and then show them how to code. I agree one hundred percent in fact i think it seems to me and both you know so. Here's a reveal both david. I have have a kids in and just about to be out of college <hes> studying these areas and looking at the various this degree programs and the content what they teach i get the strong feeling that most computer science programs are there to teach you to become a professor a a teacher of computer science you know and not practically actually get out in the world in a software developer to be a problem solver. <hes> and that's really kind of disappointing disappointing. <hes> i know the when my my son went to college the they had the attitude in the introductory courses that here you were. Are you know coming into college for the first time you want your declaring your major to be a computer science and they start with the assumption. You'd basically had never seen a computer before and here's here's the keyboard and he you know this this level of instruction it's like they missed the fact that this generation has been playing on their ipod ipad since they were <hes> you know toddlers or whatever you know. They're very comfortable in the digital as these people have had these kids have had some jobs programming in python or p._h._p. Or or what have you they're coming in with a certain base level of knowledge and the regular programs are like you've never seen one of these magic devices before you know starting from there and you know again for years with everything else. They're trying to teach yeah. They don't cover testing. They don't cover working effectively in a team. They don't cover. Do things like version control that are just you know hygiene really. I'm it's back to brushing your teeth. I mean this is just how you do things and that's often not not not part of their experience fundamentally. I don't think they teach programming <hes> in in the broader sense they teach how how to code in certain languages and typically that is motivated by una teach you data structures or i'm going to teach you know <hes> algorithms speed or something like that but in general good things to do when programming that never gets told and that's a that's a big shame that reflects the overall problem right in you. You hit the nail there in the head. It's like people still identify themselves as i'm a java programmer. I'm a c. Plus plus program or you know. I wanna go to school to learn programming. No as you said you know you can learn that in a couple of weeks a couple months at boot camp. What you need to learn is is problem solving. How do i attack and solve this problem using technology using computer languages using algorithm it constructs using and development paradigm. How do i solve these classes problems. What tools joy us. That's really the heart of the matter. That's that's the first peng then the that after you get more experience in the second part is being able to recognize the problems now and that's that's never tool. I've been teaching. I i now teenager some of the fundamentals of hygiene. The thing that came up yesterday was the importance of deodorant <hes> and <hes>. I was trying to explain to this <hes> this young person how important this was and then. I realized that you know if you don't have a person to do that. You're just going to smell and how how would you know how could you have discovered that and i think that we we assume so much that this this or that is discoverable and and that's asking a lot of someone to discover that when we can simply show them hey there's a way to do this. That's understood and maybe you could do it this way. Hey friends summers longer days and slower pace. Invite us to pick up a book. Follow our questions and try our hand at something new. The work of modern software developers eloquence is evolving in ways that are both challenging and rewarding as a developer. It's essentially you cultivate a security mindset and to help we've put together a collection of information nations security books podcasts blogs and hands on exercises recommended by vera coders across our development security and product teams from just first published page turner to classic frac articles. There's something here for everyone who is interested in becoming more security minded so dip your toes entertain a deep dive visit visit w._w._w. Dot vera code. That's v. e. R. a. code dot com slash reading. That's vera code dot dot com slash reading. I noticed that <hes> the chapter three of the of the book you have a whole section called basic tools and you go right off the bat and you say look the power a plain text but i don't remember learning how to edit text in college <hes>. I was told how to use punch cards so that's almost the same but again again. It's it's so his his an interest. Andy talked about his boy who went through effectively. It was basically like it was the cybernetics computer science one of those kind of engineering you kind of things my son <hes> my oldest son and took a liberal arts degree is relatively fluent in ancient greek some latin some french <hes> he can og you philosophers until you're is dropout and because i was in tha programming he was vehemently not into programming make <hes> for a long time and he got out of college and discovered that there aren't that many openings for liberal <unk> autists out there in the job market <hes> and was basically hanging around looking for stuff to do and got involved programming being <hes> an all duino to <hes> he was trying to sense muscle tension so he could produce like an artificial hand <hes> and and kind of got into programming that way and decided he liked it wouldn't did <hes> a really fantastic colts out of boot camp <hes> he's now pro. I mean he's been basically he's probably paid more than twice. The next the students that graduated in his class <hes> totally enjoying himself and getting back to editing texts <hes> <hes> he was taught using visual studio coat <hes> and he has gone through this conversion to the dockside and he is now. You know the teaching me up because i use v._s. Code he sang oh no no you should be using vim and t- mucks and blah blah blah you know and this is someone who had really never we've seen an editor until a year ago so that side of things is is. I think there's lots also different levels. You know and i think that that sort of thing. The edge tech stuff is absolutely fundamental but what we're trying to get to in that chapter after is not so much the this text but it's how the fact that if you have stuff in text than accessible to all of your tools worse if instead you have tool specific data then you're limited to what you can do by what the tool can do so that's that's kind of an underlying <hes> principle if you will that that runs through the whole book are the subtle little things that you might not think about but about that if you do them correctly they help keep your options open in the future because as a species we were terrible at fortune telling. We think we're decent fanatic. We think we can we know oh. This is how you know. This class will be extended in the future. I'm gonna build it to be maintainable and extensible and nonsense right. None of us know what's going to happen six months twelve months eighteen months from now so anyway we can. We try to do whatever we can to be as flexible rexel. Keep our options open keeping things in plain tex well. We can use it any number of ways in the future. We don't need to know what those ways are but we're ready for it. It's been funny now that i've got so many years doing this to watch people go back and forth between name equals value to x._m._l. All to jason and now yam. Oh and i try not to be the older programmer and go. You know that's just adorable. As i watched people reinvent those things as we all come back eventually to just name value pairs or you know files as they say exactly exactly but it doesn't just apply to into things like in configuration so for example we wrote the first edition of the book using lotta <hes> which is x. Files house right and <hes> the publisher was was aghast at this they wanted us to use word and then they will take the word and back then they were going to import it into frame maker and make a book out of that of course they were and we said okay but if you do that then how do we make changes kissed and they were they were like what we make changes. That's the part they wanted to make the framework of the authoritative taste source and then throw away your original source but his his his the real cool thing so skip forward twenty years and we're gonna do it again. We had exactly the in compensation where the publisher and in the end we are entrenched intransigent enough to win <hes> but now we're faced with the fact that we'd produced this incredibly incredibly complex lower tax system and we in the meantime developer and publishing company and we actually had a pretty kick ass to maroon and obviously we didn't accept attack but it was in plain text so a couple of ruby scripts later allow tech actually quite happily fed into our plain text based <hes> production system for the news the new stuff and that's the benefit of plain text. You don't have to think about the future because you know ask is asking is always going to be healthy. You know it's funny that you mentioned that i was working with an apache spark system recently and it was many many hundreds of terabytes of data but it was all c._s._v. files and some of the some of the more what they thought of as being more pragmatic people people were having trouble understanding the scope and reconciling the size hundreds of you know terabytes with with their c._s._v. fouls like i can't open them in them but they are giant and but there's a benefit for that because when it's all done and it's one hundred years from now it's the c._s._v. files. How's that going to save us all absolutely c._s._v. It's it's incredible to me that i mean when did excel i come out like early. Eighteen mid eighties or something c._s._v. is still the only lingua franca of business in the united states or in the world and you know all this talk about edna and everything else up people just email spreadsheets so okay so is this a truth because we are old or is this a truth and we need to teach everyone on this trip because it's the pragmatic truth. I think i think it actually it's it is a pragmatic truth if we went the other way and said okay. This is a truth because we're old. That's where we'd like. Well bash scripts forever baby. I've got shell scripts that are thirty years old that still work perfectly fine and i got code and some it does and those working. Did you have bugs in but the well done i actually i wouldn't call him a truth. <hes> i would call them. It's an observation because a truth implies that it's my way or the highway and you know. I don't believe that <hes>. I think that there are likely to be also different. Opportunities doing different things in different ways for us to date plain. Intex has been all savior which is great because it gets back to the original route of the conversation which is about pragmatism where you might feel something is a truth and someone it comes up with a better truth. You go okay well. That's the truth now but in this case here it is a proven thing because it is just like scientific method. It's a theory that has been proven time and time and time again to be a useful thing exactly this. This is what works and that's really. I mean that really probably should have been the tagline to the book. This is what works but i think also not no it's not this is what works it's. This is what worked in the past tense i for you. You could even say this is what worked in the past tense for us. Yeah on these projects at this time and then here we are over specifying the specification and now the name of the book is the pragmatic programmer. This is what worked in the past tense for us at these specific times of these projects. We hope that you have similar success exactly dot com. You made the funny joke about about bash scripts and dave said of those working and that brings me to the the chapter on software entropy this idea of software rot. I am personally right now. Actively trying to get a fifteen year old blogging system that uses x._m._l. For its back end up and running cross-platform on all new software and i'm just trying to get the thing to build and like nothing's really changed <unk> except basically everything has changed yeah. It's it's it's insidious because i actually had an opportunity to pull a an old. It was either an iphone or an ipod touch some old bit of gear out of the drawer. That was maybe seven eight nine ten years old and <hes>. I couldn't even connect to any websites on oh certificates because certificates because the s._s._l. Protocols have changed because the novel little bits of the plumbing who changed that. Oh that's all it's insecure. You can't even load <hes> you know modern websites on an older bit of gear and you would think thank well okay got its h._d._p. H._t._m._l. Nothing has changed. Well think again you know enough has changed that. You can't get there from here. Jimmy coming back to your your your x._l. Thing i think the other thing is we tend to have this rosy view of life with simpler back then and so you could say wall he worked in the past as if it was a no-brainer back then why isn't it working now but we all tend to forget that getting it to work in the past also involved downloading seventeen different versions of liebeck's mellon so you found the one that was compatible with whatever software using and then it will always incompatible with this version the read line and therefore going to change this and so i don't know about you but <hes> one of the reasons i switched from links to a mac was i just got so sick sick of spending at least half of my day dependency managing the whole time so you know it's it's if you imagine you have one of those systems back then that you had just managed to get working. You go all dependencies right and i said to you. Hey scott stop doing that for a month. It goes spare on me because at the under the months right three things to be out of date and fifteen years forget it. I mean you know just rewrite it may well so there is a ruby script buried carried in the thing that apparently tidied up and did some cleaning of my x._m._l. Files and it was using like ruby two point one point four and i was trying to go an app to get that version of ruby and it's not available so then it's like. I don't know what the semantic version rules are ruby. If i could just go to two point one point three or six or seven and i ended up shaving being the ac for about three hours trying to figure out which had to get a ruby script to work because of version because of rot because of <hes> and of course we've all had had the experience where a repository disappears off the internet entirely. It's offer can't even be downloaded but then the children the kids today will tell you that it's all about containers and i should be doing everything as a container -tainer and having my build system live of you know basically in amber just freeze dry it in amber like a bug amber and have my whole build system there which which is fine until you have to interface with the rest of the world like with the phone and the draw and then the rest of the world has moved on and it doesn't matter what you've got an amber. You're still gonna run into the problems okay so what's the pragmatic thing to do. The primary thing to do is to say that software rot is a real thing yeah. If you don't touch a piece of software it will gradually stopped working which is really counterintuitive but it's absolutely true so if there is software that you suspect suspect that you want to be using for a long time you're going to have to put some effort into it in the same way that you know if you live somewhere you going to do it a maintenance every now and then otherwise just gonna fall apart same thing with software and part of that maintenance is the code but to me the most important part of that maintenance is thinking about the data <hes> and joy backups. Do i have backups in a format that can use if i lose the original and you know all these kind of questions are things that you're always asking yourself as part of the ongoing maintenance issues so i think the pragmatic approach is simply. Don't do it. Don't just leave the software for an come back to it and hope it's a work because it won't well see now. You feel like i need to go. Get my zip disks and make sure that they still work. I think my job was drivers here so yeah those backups on v._h._s. tape yeah that's yeah no i actually had a whole set of backups on some incredibly expensive debt storage i bought right and i had like i don't know like a fifteen hundred dollar debt drive and i had about twenty thirty backup tapes and when i moved house i looked at those threw away. 'cause i just thought okay. This is like never ever ever going to work for start at a scuzzy interface ice on it. <hes> this is never gonna work. What's the point. I've never actually gone to these types. Throw them away and i think that's that's kind of like to some some extent. One of the things that we do roman software. Is we tend to revere it too much a lot of the stress of that software if you consider it to be disposable the <hes> some bits of software like if you were writing software for pacemaker. It probably pays to get it right but a lot of software really yeah. You don't have to worry that much much at if you have to throw it away to throw it away and start again not mine and so i think if he could bring the cost of experimentation down on the cost of replacing in down then a lot of those stresses go away yeah. That's one of the points we make in the book is that you know it might be better to think about writing software where knowing that you're going to replace it rather than trying to invest in fortune telling that will how how might this be extended in the future. How could this be more maintainable. Forget forget that because you have no idea you know what's going to happen but you know worst case scenario whatever does happen. You're gonna have to rip this thing out so okay. How can i make it easy. Terrip this piece out when it's no longer functioning now. You've got better coupling cohesion apple pie all those things right <hes> <hes> yeah just figure. It's going to change in such a way that you're not going to be able to fix it great so let's toss it out. Throw it out right so in the context of my blogging system mm-hmm what i need is the twenty years of x. files and and graphics. I need the blog whether it's wordpress goes or whatever i don't really care if i correctly the same thing as you did and had x._m._l. Than it turned into <hes> what was it textile and then it turned back into x. smell for a while while and then it went down you know and the most important thing has to be rid retain enough semantic information in the data right i can reconstructed and ultimately all i care about in this context of my new migration is my u._r._l.'s because up often and so long as i don't change that and i've got the same data hopefully flee. It'll be a it'll be a good experience and hopefully i will be able to have the pragmatic programmer twentieth anniversary edition updated. How how updated is this become much. Did you change. There's lots changed in twenty years. We changed a lot a lot of different levels so you're on the one hand we probably made at its it leased several edits to every single page. I escaped <hes> and some of that was just the the low level obvious stuff right so where we'd been talking about cora and are am i and exciting new languages like tom and interesting languages like eiffel and right and the what odd never heard of these things <hes> yeah so there's a lot of technology obviously that didn't <hes> survive the passage of time and there were a lot of tips tips where the tip is still spot on like like the dry principle or or not broken windows or whatever but we have found better ways to express it better ways to talk about it. We've discovered people taking the advice the wrong way. Maybe we expanded on the dry. Principle apple a bit because that's come to mean to a lot of people don't copy and paste and it's not about that. It's about duplicating knowledge so you may have a literal copy of something to different places and that's fine because it serving different purposes. It's in a different context like we were saying before. That's not a dry violation. <hes> we had some advice in the first book of saying like well. You should use meta data to push decisions out out of the code so you don't have to re compile and redeploy. If you just need to change some bit of configuration right great advice we had <hes> some people take that to the extreme and their application had forty thousand configuration variables in it but you told me to andy. It's your right exactly actly so there was there was things like that were we'd gotten feedback years and and figure okay well. This is something we should clarify. We should tell tell the story we should mention you know a a drop will cure you. If you drink the whole bottle. You're gonna die. Yes we went through input skull-and-crossbones on quite a few things so we did that kind of <hes> housekeeping <hes> and his andy said that was pretty pervasive. Basically we also took out <hes> fair few tips and instead of some new ones <hes> partly because the world has changed so for example the first edition kind of touched on currency but back then <hes> the idear having sixteen kohl's in a laptop was like star trek so <hes> the world has changed and so we beefed up we have a whole new chapter now on currency and and also the world has changed in terms of <hes> socially that the <hes> the ethics of programming is becoming becoming more important <hes> the ethics of personal interactions become more important and so we've added <hes> content to try to address both of those things <hes> and in general you know every now and then there's a tip that i just really really really wanted to write you know over the <unk> <unk> of the intervening twenty years all. I wish i'd have put that one in and so now we have the opportunity to put them in so probably about or about a third. Andy is brand new probably about that and yes some some topics warned even a concern back then so we have a whole new section on security <hes> because back in the day we would just struggling to get the stuff to run right. We we didn't have to worry about you. Know deliberate attacks from bad actors <hes> locally or around around the world <hes> or what might be so you know. That's a whole new landscape that i'm sure twenty years from now when we do the fortieth anniversary edition will we'll have a lot more to say with a whole section on a and making sure you don't make skynet exactly the pleased. It'll be a whole section on how not to upset skynet right right right off switch. You need a big offs tastic. Well thank you so much andy hunt and dave <unk> thomas for chatting with me today always a pleasure. Thanks for having us. 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You are the guy that I'm going to trust with my whitetail whatever it is going to be hopefully in a few weeks I'll go up now get an antelope and it'll be all good But I've brought in this I think it was a big nine point hundred probably one hundred high thirties maybe low one, forty class, non-point chocolate allard Monster White Tail, and I was questioning you're. WANTING TO SCO mount deer with eleven and twelve inch G two's. And so that's kicked off a conversation about Oklahoma Yeah and that's Kinda what. Yeah because at the time you were traveling out of your home state of Louisiana to go to my old home state, which is Oklahoma and how I tell. So that's the immediately bonded over that and I mean because now you hunted like the thick stuff of eastern Oklahoma southeastern. Oklahoma mainly pine now but yeah, a little different for sure. So. Your tax numbers we're GONNA get into all of that. But let's talk about the idea of like traveling out of state to hunt because how did you? How did you decide you know what I want to go elsewhere, and how did you go about finding a lease in another state Getting out of state was was big for me because. I grew up in Louisiana and of this is all I've ever known. We know never went out of state with my dad or anything like that to haunt anything. So when I got a little older, one of my friend's DAD's had a lease in southern Oklahoma. And I went with him as a guest and to this day still the biggest whites ever seen on foot free range Probably knowing what I know. Now probably one one, eighty class really a scene that I want him shooting a deer that that had fifteen score points and went one, fifty, three the same week. So I got I got hooked on big deer I got hooked on out of state. Yeah and that's I think that's I think you know I think you and I both deal with you know in the area that we are in in Louisiana there's just not that much room for him to grow that big. Tough you're looking at swamp deer rather than free ranging. You know open plains, ear everything's against them here. So they don't they don't have. You got over a overabundance of hunters not nearly as much. Land the the nutrition and different things that creates why tells to get big just isn't they can but it's not right people out of state for the opportunity because there's a lot more there there there's a lot more open ground at I think you know more more folks are receptive to it's not. Necessarily you're not it 'cause I notice down in the south. There's a lot of hunt clubs It's not like your lease. It's like the difference too. That's that's and that's how I grew up I grew up hunting grew up and built. We live across the lake for awhile and we and Belle chase and we I was at least for years with Iran dogs and shoot everything. You don't know what's right and so they shoot, you got your on d. map you've got tags so anything from fifty pounds. It was seat to spikes. If it's Brown it's down exactly from and it's a it's an incredible way to hunt and it's fun and it's journal in the dogs and understand all that but it's very hard to kill. Or even see for that matter good mature book, right. So for me, the drive to go out of state was in drive to to be able to see not necessarily kill 'cause I've washed a lot but to see big deer, you know well the hat and to have the opportunity to like see them on a regular base because if you're in an area, you know that's kind of lockdown with other hunt club members, which isn't a bad thing. I, know a lot of guys love that and they like the Camaraderie of it. But for me it's about you know managing the property how I want to manage no, and you can't pass a one twenty. If you've never seen them. That's sure. So when you get to a place and your career when you've killed that kind of deer and place where you see him, like you just sit on a regular basis, you can pass a hundred and twenty, eight, inch three or So. Well, and another. So all this to come around to say how do you access like out of state hunting in and how do you narrow your focus You GotTa know somebody. I don't know I mean social media now I've seen in the county that I hunted obscene numerous. Numerous people looking for people had somebody call me this week looking for a gun or two guns, and at least home you just got. A you've got to research it. You gotta research and I. Think That's where a lot of people because I get a lot of emails asking. Hey. How do I get started in this area and I'm like well is that the area you WanNa be in why'd you do that? You know now Boone Crock Club if you're out for like trophy grade animals, Buna, Crockett Club, you can access all of their stuff and it's actually really cool system because what you can do is you can break it down by state. So you go into state you can see which state registers the most Boone Crockett entries, and for how long. So you can actually like narrow down like. Show county to. This county is registering the most. BUNA cracking class deer, and then I typically go to like a system like Onyx or your base maps or something like that, and we use onyx last year on our antelope for some reason I really liked it in his nice 'cause you. You can see who the landowners are and then honestly if you're listening to this never underestimate the power of knocking on a door and I know that sounds a little odd these day here so much in the tax during business knock on doors. Ten acres, twenty acres the guys come in with hundred and forty, hundred, fifty inch from Missouri. They knocked on the door and and some little lady gave them pressure on a small piece and kill deer on i. hear it so much and that's in the in the power of I mean just knocking on the door in, you know find out what they like. You don't have to you know sometimes, you don't have to pay like I knocked on a door in Iowa Sola biggest ear my life. You know that evening and I had just gotten permission and and I think a lot of guys are intimidated knock on doors because they're like well. They'll never allow me to hunt out there and I mean I get told no. Yeah that's the worst thing it can happen. No, I agree I. Agree it is intimidating especially if if an my opinion if you're not. used to out of state stuff to begin with any if you're used to not do anything out of state than any type of. Anything out of stations, intimidate a lease out of state attorney. So it it's the public land things intimidating. Yeah. The first time if you're not out that Yep and it was funny 'cause. I always extend the invite you know hey, if you wanna go out with me, that's cool. Let's go. Let's have a good time. More, likely it's going to probably be on public land. Yum, which is difficult because as you notice last year in our antelope. You are not only hunting against like the antelope like you're hunting for them, but you have to go against every other hunter out there and you have to come up with a solid game plan and entrust the process. But your first out of state hunt very successful, very successful in all areas I mean for the by that didn't know anything about. The animal honestly amount annuity antelope was. But I did a lot of good, that's I ki-. You'd be surprised that people you send a picture and I've had people. Say. Man. What does that? You Yeah and obviously not big game hunters but right but you know I didn't have a lot of research into sit there and they go. Yeah. Africa yeah or thinking it's an exotic from Texas shoot a all that is that is says the hunting industry but just doing a little research and learning with animal was and then That's pretty much where I started. With that. You know from that to to learn how to to fly in and haunting and go for plane the plane and weapons of the bigger misconceptions is how? Easy it is to fly with guns I mean if you look at it. We have this perception of you know you know the big companies are against guns they're just against God, and we Kinda like blanket everyone with them. And when you and I flew. I mean you. You were kind of walking through the process with me. You are right behind me in line and you know you guys went up to I said, here's what you're going. Ask for. You are going to ask for a firearm declaration form. And you know even like years ago they would want you to open up they'd want to examine it will sometimes they don't even know what they're looking for. But as long as you keep your ammo separate, just keep a spare box of AMMO, keep your ammo in their. Ask. For the Firearms Declaration you'RE GONNA fill it out going to sign it. In you'RE GONNA throw it in your gun case they only have so you're gonna you just open it up, throw it in there and you're done it was it was literally that easy and it didn't take much time off of what would have been doing anyway. So it that that was really surprising to me how quick that went and how we weren't pushed aside. Yes. You know. Now it needs to be said that every airport is different because we flew into. DENVER. And so when you fly back out of Denver, you've got allow your time your you gotta live yourself more time because what's going to happen is, is you know every airport is different you know the airlines are different how they approach it. So. We had to go up ask for the Firearms Declaration form they gave it to us. We threw it in the thing, and then we had to wait for basically skycap someone to come escort us with our guns to I. Basically One guy for the entire airport. Who looks at the gun or he opens the case make sure I don't know who knows what he's looking at I. Think he don't even know what he's looking at he probably no see I think he does. I've actually figured this out I. See this is the same guy every single time really yep, he's. He's about six foot tall. About Sixty seven, seventy years old I think he's a gun guy. I think he just enjoys looking at what people or care every. So yeah, I think that's I think that's what I think he just got but now this guy but he sends it through the Little X. Ray machine. He passed down the whole gun case and you know what's under the phone type deal but then he gives it back to the SKYCAP and you walk back to the airline counter. Puts it on the conveyor belt, sends it out and that's it. So every airports different. So when you're traveling firearms don't be intimidated by it and I think that goes for do it yourself months in other states Because you noticed that on the envelope on it wasn't that bad. But he had a secret he secret weapon. It was me. No doubt. been there done it. It's it's not intimidating, but it's not like I did this. I did this I at one point two I mean there was a first time and that was that that was intimidating I brought and you know how much stuff we brought because every I kid you not. Okay. So we are talking with Josh broke off of Brock taxidermy here in the wonderful state of Louisiana. and. He's decides he's going to go on this antelope do it yourself with me which I'm going to be doing again this'll be my. I. Think my six or seven year to do it and it's just a fun. Hunt is a very social hunt. If you go with buddies go on this hunt I'll tell you anything you want to know about it but just just email me K J gun talk dot Com I'll tell you how to get started. I'll even tell you what go to I don't care. It's just it's just a fun hot But he decided to go with me in like leading up to the hunt you kept asking me like, what do I need a bring? Yeah. What do I need a very and I kept telling you what it's intimidating to be twenty six hours from your home and and say I forgot something right or you know bright but I was I kept telling him you don't need a lot. But you I, think you are even shock. You're like I just have one bag and my gun it that's all you had. and. You're able to get your high home in a safe manner a safe manner we're going to get into that in how you travel with your trophies here in a second. But. Everything, worked out and you went in, it was light. But I think that was just a whole thing. No doubt I mean, it was it's A. It's an easy hunt to do, and if you're looking for your first out of state, do yourself draw hunt I don't think you can do any better than I'm going to be honest I've said this I hate to. To overshadow any other maybe but I told my dad, we talked about it's one of the finest. If not defense on I've ever urban all my life and when shot some some stuff, how many how many and we we do have a video so we kind of cut together a diy antelope hunt video out of the whole thing and Josh is actually featured on and it's on our youtube page but it was actually funny because. You don't realize how many antelope there are others until you're actually hunting. That's why. That's why you can give the unit away. Yes. You're going to kill them all. You can't kill them on. You can kill one of you get one when you go out there but you're right but I mean we didn't hundreds a day. Oh yeah I would say any anywhere is a hard throw a out but anywhere from one hundred to two hundred A. Year no doubt and on public land in their on public land, which is great about the state of Wyoming because they have such an influx of antelope. And it's all poet you go on it Ed there some I don't know there's some odd like rules in there about like when you're driving on the road and then you just have to be thirty or forty feet forget what the number is off the roadway mean you can't shoot across the roadway but as long as you're on the other, it feels like you're doing something wrong it from down here and pull and just driving around guns in the truck and and get into the glass and you're looking at your on and you see the public land and there's something you want to pursue. So you pull over on. Santoro you jump. Out with a rifle and you get to a safe distance and Yup of our offense it's just a whole different experience with my like me. Yeah and that's that's why the onyx is. So important I was I don't know how you do without it. Yeah and I think that's definitely a buddy system. You gotta be on that Buddy System. You got to have one guy of your at least saying, Hey, you're really you want your driver you want your job repents to the road. Yeah. As much as he can't he don't need to be looking at you low pantages road and working on x so that yeah, definitely have a buddy and that. Kind of leads me and. As a taxidermist and we. Know we're GONNA eventually end up talking about this later down the road we'll. We're going to definitely have you back on. Care of your trophies in the field because a lot of first time as you know they, they don't know where to cut they don't know what to bring and I think what you bring in where you learn your information as as important as the rest of it. So, what advice would you give somebody if they're? You know even if they're going to, they're hunting came and they wanNA bring. Let's say they're going to bring a kate back what what are the tools that are necessity for you and what do you need them to know? TOOLS WOULD BE A. Some kind of some kind of knife or scalpel some kind of. A have gone with change out blades something where you can where you can kate properly. Now. That's one thing. Right before we went on the air. That's one thing you said that kind of took me and I I've noticed you use them a scalpel. Want to use a scalpel is just it's just I. I use a scalpel a lot when I'm working in my shop and I got used to the way it feels you cannot. I don't care what kind of life you got unless you got a a razor on it. You're not gonNA compared to the cutting of US cowboys so easy it's effortless. You can move that thing. You'll you'll struggle with a knife right compared to a scalpel when you learn how to work scalpel. he's hard to back to something else. So I don't recommend scout for everything if you're getting a deal, you're not used to scalp where you're skinny game unit got holes in it. That's aggravating. It's Russia you. It's. One of Basso, using knife when you need to use a knife but around the head and the face area if you're cape something off horns or antlers, scalpels, screwdriver when you get to the skull play some kind of saw. Cut that I mean that's pretty much the only tools that I use. As a small saw a scalpel, some kind of blade, the blades and other reasons like a scout boys you can get them really cheap. You can get a scalpel plus one hundred pack for like ten bucks maybe cheaper and it lasts you. I don't know how long it takes them I. go through a hundred Blazey. Finish, one an when you throw it away right us to a one animal it's. It's so cheap I in it's so funny because when we were in I've never seen. You know I always thought I was fairly decent at Clinton yes. Stuff like that and and getting them somewhat ready now if I'm capon I'm horrible like I will get it up to the neck around the years and then I'll stop I'll get the head off. And then I'll move on but man I've never seen someone cape out a antelope or any animal on a Koa Park Bench. Like. You hit it has no option I'm pretty good. Things I'm real. Good. I'm pretty good at skin gaping. So. Yes. If if you are listening in your friends with a nervous on your next hiking hunting man, it's always hunting they and that that's that was one of the best things about it is because I was like he was like, what do you want to do with it? I was like I don't know do you want the Cape or whatever, and he's like well, I, I don't know if you ended up taking my K. I think I. Don't think you did years we didn't but we know because I didn't want to mount it and not want to go through the. Process of. Keeping it. So but I did I did Cape Skin and Kate Monahan by DAD's four shoulder mouse in they're both short amount right now and it was hot out and I think that's that's that was one of the key things that you said that guys need to watch out for you especially early season Hans whether you're you know I mean I've hunted in one hundred degree weather on October, and that makes a huge difference is no no in your area known your gain amid doesn't it's not hard to research if you don't know call your local, tax. Dharma station have the if you're going hot mule deer. And you know versus white male versus I mean their hair's different their slippages, different cats every year it seems like I have i. have something that I'll lose. It's typically the same stuff Ab- my shoots a Bob. Cat. In South Louisiana in October with a bow and let's it sit on the plot tiller don't hunting and then they go grab it and so so you're you're working against Tom you're working against the animal, a Bob Cat and things. pronghorns very easy to slip to see. You just gotTa know, your game you got to know the temperature take care of it. So what do you? So what did you do on this hunt? So you harvest one in it was hot and that was one thing you were worried about because this is missiles a is I'm not gonNA. Say it was a once in a lifetime trophy for you. But it was your first yet once in a lifetime antelope because that's your I. It is very important because you're going to be going back up and how do you maintain? I mean, are you? Because what did we do? We had we had an ice chest we did We didn't have a freezer right? We were twenty six hours from home. So we knew I knew all that go in. Okay. So I had options has several options. One of my options was the first thing you need to do is when you kill animal if the weather's not what if it's freezing cold, you got time I'M GONNA freeze I'm not talking about fifty or sixty but if it's ice cold if it's forty below thirty below, you got Tom to work on your stuff but where we were it wasn't it was hot. Eh Mosquitoes owners it was horrible. So. At that point when you harvest that animal, the most important thing at that point should be you need to get it skinned right K.. Don't don't draw draw round and depending on where you're at don't drag it. I mean yeah. especially antelope their hair comes out with that's part of knowing your game. Basso things that I did notice like easy. That's not slippage. No slippages when when the Animal Star Spoil in the hair falls out because of that antelopes further is just prone to pull out easy right to begin with crt working against something. That's tough. Yeah. So you need to get the animal skin out immediately get get it to where now you have just ahead and a kate and at that point. Now you're ready to really you know don't get to that. Don't let six seven hours go by you get to that point and when we killed our animals, we got him pretty quick in the truck. We did I bagged back to the place and started. One of because it's it's easy to keep hunting but I think we I feel like you know we had a good game plan going in as we're going to you know every antelope that we shoot were not going to just say okay. That's good. Enough. Let's go and we immediately drove back to camp up and started the process and that's only important for trophy care like if it's if if you're if you're gonNA amount that animal that's crucial if you're not, you have a lot of time right? Because it's not going to go bad and six hours. So you right you got I mean you should get it. Yes. Which got time you got time if it were only talking about trophy right now if you're if you plan on mountain animal or having something done with it, that's when that's when that UNITA skin it yeah because op shotton offshot deer over years where. I'm not doing anything with them other than cleaning them and keeping the meet at. You can let them sit for you'll pot brian are you can you got time with that? So it's strictly for trophy care. So would you say that's the number one? That would be the number. One mistake of hunters is a big one not understanding. Their game in their quarry and the care of it. It's a big one. They just don't. They don't understand The timeframe that you have as soon as an animal dies, it starts to K- process. So, everything blood. Is A is a big factor in this. So if you shoot something were bloods all over it. that. That has bacteria in that causes slippage as one of the okay. Explained slippage to me because we keep throwing this out there and I don't know if like slippages. When you have an animal with for. And for whatever reason a customer or a person that kills animal will never say it was their fault. They're going to blame the taxidermist births for the most cases. Now, you will have stuff go bad. It can be a aren't or Tannery keep in on a lot of stars sent off. That's I just had a guy one of my guys call me and tell me that works is ruined case. So I had to make a phone call to a customer that's been a lot of money to go to south or. In the hydro now, because Rasmi what happened whose fault right? I can't tell him it's your fault. So I'll just say look I don't know it could have been Monica have been tanneries it could have been yours right so anyway but slippages when. Animals, starts decay, and as you whatever process your own in that animal k., the process can be. keeping it out they can slip during keeping. If you let them sit long enough and it's hot. But if most of the time, it's not most of the time you're GonNa Cape it you're GONNA you're GonNa, do your job and your throat and a freezer right, and then a the frozen. So then I D frosted right I've defrost his stuff and it just fell apart hair. I've also got to preserve preservation it's wanting to pull out. Some point of process the hair follicles just fall out and and there's different levels of that I mean sometimes it's you could pull it in this kind of wanting to come out but sometimes I'll put my sink to wash it in just it's ruined. Anything with it. So that will be the fricken worst fits. It's a bad feeling and that's Why Tail Hide Aachen work with that was replaced. The customer understands what a lion. Or what if you're not going to be like Oh, and that's the risk that's the risk in this business and that's A Lot Lotta guys won't touch African and stuff like that. Right now I'm not touching it because of that rib. Geared. Toward. I got. I got a lot of right now and there's a lot of regional. Part of the reason is I don't want to touch them is fifty thousand dollars animal at they went to go kill that'd be off. You know if that's ruined, how do you? You can't replace? No, there's no replacing them so. That would be awful as go to know your game, and soon you go over there you do stuff like that. Most of the time, the people that that you with no what's going on and they know as soon as you kill it as soon as you take your pictures, they skin it out for life SAWS Mount, they flush it in the field was good and they salt it and they ship it. To a tannery from overseas or somebody that can take it and goes straight to most of the time. If you're going with someone overseas like that, they have done this and they know what's going on, they know where to go and get stuff shipped to me. I got a just a couple of weeks ago got a Red Stag Sharon from New Zealand showed up at my door salted in a little block. So, really it was it was you know one football one photo is packed tight flesh salted and I'll I'll call guy and I shifted straight to him. Yeah. Didn't even defendant have to touch anything you know it's salted now he'll get it. He'll Tanit and ship it back to me, and then you get to an amount. So that's how that stuff works salted overseas the can't get. You can't take anything back and less it salted from overseas Gotcha but around here then that goes back to knowing your game and doing around here your skin and time Brady gets get it just don't take so long to sit something get it out. Get it caped out. Clean it real good. I. Guess. So much stuff that's nasty manages blood everywhere. That's one thing I noticed that you did that you typically like I I. Don't do a lot is like really thoroughly cleaning the inside and out the inside when you're when you're hosed something I mean it's hot I know what he does to to hide. So I WANNA cool as fast as possible. So when you hoes the inside your ear cleaning blood, but you're also cool in the high now. So. It's interesting. You're you're you're you WANNA. Cool. Entire hot with the antelopes a hose. It got all the butt off outside inside and then at that point wants to recall we we didn't have a freezer we didn't have. A cooler anything. So but we're we had options. Yeah. At this point, you have two options you could flush that hide and salt it. And you don't need to keep it. Cool at. All right. If you can solve penetrate that hide. Okay. That was an option but I thought a easier option was put it in a ICS which is dry. It froze it within a few hours I mean frozen like. It was a blow at that point. It's as good as a freezer and we just we just put an ice. Covered the you know the the dry is with some thick plastic sheeting. So wouldn't you know that you can't this is a good time so you can't fly with dry ice. So before you get on that plane, you gotTa dump it out we dumped all the ice out left the frozen hides in the ice chest by the time I got home they were still still frozen until the next morning defrost. Easy to see that's easy. Gang care. Guys don't know real simple they're intimidated by it, but do not be intimidated by Josh. Thanks for coming on Thanks for being a part of gun talk hunt We will definitely be getting you back on because again if it's getting hunting season and we've got to learn how to take care of all the game out there. maybe you need to give me some keeping lessons because that I'm shaky. Here's one right now we'll leave it long enough at added. We'll talk about that. We don't don't short short short don't do not short change the tax I don't care how it take care of it if it's eight inches short. You got to make a good amount though. But he so you can cut away but you can't add it. All. Right. Thanks for listening to gun talk hunt. Be Safe out there and Make sure of your backstop.

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Ep. 39: The Research that Killed a Giant Buck and How to Hunt from Home

Cutting The Distance with Remi Warren

37:45 min | 6 months ago

Ep. 39: The Research that Killed a Giant Buck and How to Hunt from Home

"Cutting the distance is part of the meter podcast network. It's one mini shows like cow's week in review the haunting collective wired haunt and of course the meat eater podcast. We hope you also head over to the mediator DOT COM. Check out all of our recent on things like foraging. Turkey hunting and fishing. Once you've done that go over to youtube for cows. Weaken review three part video series is now live where you'll get to see cow elk hunting. You'll deer hunting and noodling for catfish as a guide and hunter. I've spent thousands days in the field. This show is about translating hard one experiences into tips and tactics. They'll get you closer to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Romy Warren. This is cutting the distance. Welcome back to the PODCAST. Everyone hope everybody's doing good. I know this some of this corentin stuff feels like you'll never end. I know a few places are starting to lift some restrictions but for most of the country were still just kind of in the middle of this so I thought this week maybe I would just touch a little bit on some of the things we can do right now from home in planning for fall season success when it comes to picking a hunt and picking his spot and this is something that. I've just been doing a lot of lately so I just want to go over some of the things that I'm doing right now from my house through map scouting through tag applications through hunt research. That will help me be successful this fall but before we get into that. I just like to share a story of a mule deer hunt a few years ago in a new area that I kind of stumbled upon by doing a lot of preseason research by this point it was dave five or six of my general area over the counter. Meal deer hunt now on this particular hunt. I was looking for what I would consider a good mature buck in at least four by four good scoring big mature animal except up until this point. I'd hardly seen any dear. I'd seen a few does and some smaller bucks but very few sightings inbetween signing a state that I hadn't actually hunted for deer before but before the season really started. I just Kinda got to thinking I was. I was reading through regulations for different states like do every year and I just thought man this would be a fun tagged try. I looked at the season dates and I just so happened to have it open between guiding so I just thought okay. I'm going to pick up that tag and give it a shot. Give it a run for its money. You know a lot of my hunt planning started out. What I was looking for was an area that really suited the way that I like to hunt. Good back country area. I also looked for an area that had fairly low hunter success but also fairly low hunter activity. I wanted to be in a spot where I really believed that I could find a mature animal and to find a mature animal. It needs age so I thought if I pick an area that is very hard to hunt for a lot of people if I do end up finding a year. It's probably going to have some age to. It's probably going to have a little bit more size especially being an over the counter tag. You know if I can cut down on one hundred numbers and get into areas where I'm not seeing other people man. I might really have some success at turning up a good buck once narrowed down to that. I kind of found an area that had fairly low success and I knew that historically there had been good animals taken around that area there you know. I can look through pope in young and boone. Crockett and there was a few entries in there with some just overall good genetics but the area definitely died off over the years. Some areas do so. I thought okay. This is the area that I want to hunt now from there I started just really pouring through maps and locating some really backcountry basins and just places that I thought man that nobody would want to go there and then I also kind of picked areas that really lend themselves to the way that I like to hunt so I really looked for burns and some other things that have been a recent fire and a portion of the unit so I thought okay. I'm going to go in there or the recent fires that might deter some people but it might also have some good antler growth track some animals. There probably won't be any other hunters in there and I can give it my best shot like. I said five days in a really hadn't seen any deer yet but I also hadn't seen any other hunters either so in my mind. I was on the right track. I was in a good place that potentially had good dear. I just had to find. The deer was such a big area and even though it had burned. A lot of timber was very hard to glass very hard to see very far. So there's just a lot of pockets in there that I knew dear could hide but I wouldn't be able to see him so I just had to put boots on the ground find more and more glossing spots checkout sponsored. I outlined on my map and really stick to my plan because it was going to be mentally tough and it was at this point mentally tough. You know when you go four or five days without seeing an we started thinking okay. Am I just wasting my time? Is this why there's low success because there are no animals here but the country looked good? Everything looked good and on this particular day I found myself in a basin looks better than anything. I'd seen before I thought to myself. This is the spot where. I'm going to find my big buck. It's remote it's out of the way they're clearly have been no hunters in here for a while and if there's a bucket here it's going to have some age and it's going to have some size to get into the area. I had to work my way straight up a steep mountain and then follow this like razorback reach up into another canyon once I got up at the top. There's this big burned out section there and a lot of new growth coming up. There is a south facing slope and it was just almost knee high grass. There's a Lotta bear grass which dear don't necessarily like but there is some other green up still because it it actually done pretty early snow. This is Early October on the edges of the snow patch. Some late October green up growing as well as just like some good pockets of unburnt timber as well so I thought Oh man. This spot has everything I need. Scott cover it's got a creek in the bottom. It's got some fresh growth. This looks awesome and as I started working at Ridge I started seeing sets your track so I just got on alert of glancing instill hunting through this burnt timber in I worked my way to this little rock outcropping ricky kind of overlooked the largest portion of this basin and I sat there for good portion at time but by the time I got up there just was not the ideal time to be glasses. It was kind of midday so I thought well I'm going to plan on being in this spot for the rest of the day but I also just had this urge to see what was a little bit further up and maybe this one little pocket just looked just looked so good from where I was so I worked my way up toward that pocket and now I'm on the ridge overlooking this big burned out basin and I've got what now is probably my best vantage point. I sit down and actually was filming for Solo Hunters and as messing with my camera and I'm sitting down and glasses in no sooner drive through the glass up and it just is filled with a buck. I'm like Oh my gosh. This is a nice buck- two is the exact kind of deer that I was looking for. And then as fast as I saw it disappeared behind some burnt trees. So I'm like okay. I got a really just make sure that this is really what I'm looking at. WanNa maybe throw my spotting scope on it then spotted again. I'm like okay. I'M NOT GONNA have time to get my scope on it so I get set up. I reigned in this way too far for a shot. It's about twelve hundred yards away off on this other hillside and kind of working. Its way toward the top of the Ridge so okay. I've got a little bit of time. Just GonNa Watch this dear because there's so much burnt timbering here. I'm probably going to lose it if I just stop looking so I I get set up and I just watched this year starts feeding. And then he goes over outta sight. I sit there for a little bit and just kind of think okay. What am I going to do higher side? There's no way if I sit where I'm at. I'm not going to be able to make a play. It's going to take me a little while because it's so steep and there's Big Canyon between us to get to where he has. Plus the wind is coming from the bottom up the mountain. So I'm gonNA actually have to climb up to the top and around the other side and down on him but I don't really know if I'm GONNA be able locate that deer again so I figured okay. I'm just going to go to where I last saw him or thereabouts and because it was still pretty fresh burn. There's like Ashton in dark soil and it was pretty easy to find tracks worst case scenario. If I get over there I can start glossing. Maybe picking back up if not. I can try to work my way down to where I think I saw him. Go over in hopefully pick up a set of tracks. Maybe just track through the timber so I make a move and I'm on my thinking. I WANNA hustle and get over there while maybe he's still standing or moving around because it'll make him a lot easier to see even though it's burnt out. It's just like you cannot see more than one hundred yards in this stuff so get on the Ridge and I start working into the wind down where I last saw him. There is one little live pine that I saw on the ridge. I kind of use that as a marker to get okay. That's where he kind of went over so they get to that. I start really going slow. And as I creep into where he disappeared glossing. I'm looking for tracks and I'd seen a few tracks on my way down. So he knew that there is some deer in the area and I pick up his antler tips and the bear grass so tall in the hill so steep that all I can see earth anchors but he may have heard me a little bit and then I see his head go down. He starts feeding again. Oh perfect this is perfect. But I'm like how am I going to get a shot at this point? He's only maybe seventy yards some looking around and is full standing the most that I would ever be able to see his head in his is but I cannot see his body because of the the grass and the slope of the hill. Too big down tree right in front of me. That fallen over. I think man if I just get up a little bit higher so I wait for the buck. I sent my pack down and just like creep up to this log and then wait for him to feed in his head goes down. I crawl up on the log staying low and just make sure he's not looking my direction and then I stand up and I'm just going to have to take an offense shot because the only way that I can actually see the balk above the grass so I get ready I actually. I locked my arm into my body and I practice offense shots a lot. I used to shoot off. Han rifle competitions in highschool. So like all right. I've I've done a Lotta awhan shooting. And he's less than one hundred yards. This is no problem. I lineup crosshairs on his shoulder. Squeeze the trigger and the buck drops as I walk up to the buck. It was everything that I'd wanted and it was just as exciting because it was a general area and it was just this idea of. I planned this hunt months before. Just thinking about okay. This is the type of experience that looking for this type of Jerem looking for and to walk up on that deer. Put that entire experience into reality like the plan that I had made before the research that I've done all paid off right here on the mountain. All of this locked down and quarantining stuff does suck in a lot of ways. There might be some silver lining to it in the fact that many of you may actually have a little bit more time to plan out and do a little bit of research for some hunts. I know it's something that I do every year but this year I've just been spending a little bit more time trying to find some new spots and some new hunts so what I'm do is just kind of walk you through my process of what I'm doing right now. Not only in applying for hunts but maybe planning for some over the counter type tags as well so it kind of take you through my process of how I find hunts and what I look for when I'm planning that really. I think that I could break it down into three steps so the first would be identifying your options. Then it'd be mapping it out and then planning it out so let's start with step one identifying the options available. I'm a paper and pen guy and so for planning it just gets really messy and I like to write out all my options and kind of keep like this master list when I start the whole planning process underneath this identifying our options idea. There's going to be two options. That will eventually come would be draw type tags and the other would be what we call over the counter tags tags that you can get fairly easily. Maybe just purchase them before a certain date or pick them up on your way to hunt. So we've got those two categories. Let's start with the draw category. How do identify hunt what I do? Is I start with reading through all of the different states. Regulations and just see witch. Hunts are available. This gives me an idea of what kind of opportunities are out there. So I I'll go online. Pick the states that I'm interested in for me. I mean I I try to research almost every state so I'll look at New Mexico. Look at Idaho Montana Nevada Right now I've been doing a lottery search for my Nevada tags that are coming out but that's my home state and that's probably the one that I do. The most research in although I apply for a lot of different units and species in Nevada most of the ones that I apply for. I've actually never been in those units or or haven't hunted so there's a lot of this research that goes into figuring out where I want to apply in that all starts by reading through the state regulations the proclamations and seeing okay. What tags are available and really understanding each state system and what's available to me as a hunter from there I then match what's available up with one. I'm looking for so as far as draw type stuff goes. Those are not necessarily tags that you can count on but what I look for is maybe a Tag. That might be easier to draw. That might be a little bit more predictable but maybe is kind of being underserved or other. People aren't looking for it other things that I might look for is just say. Hey I'm looking for if I'M GONNA go to this state if I'm GonNa go to Idaho for an alcon that I wanted to be a really good L. so I'm GonNa Research areas that I think have really good success rates good bulls and you know. Maybe that's what I'm looking for. So let's just start talking about. How do I even do any research on? Maybe areas to apply. Where do I start because especially if you're out of state or maybe you're planning your first Western big game hunt? It's GonNa seem very daunting. There's thousands of areas so many units. How do you know which one's the one that you want? How do you know which one's GonNa be good? You don't really know just looking at it on paper what's going to be good. See really have to understand. What options do I have? And then dive into it in dissect those options how I like to research draw TAG IS I. I start by looking up. Almost every state like fishing game. Website has some kind of statistics. Most of them are pretty good. Especially FOR LIMITED DRAW TAGS. A lot of them have to be report lake. The success in harvest has to be reported so a lot of them are really good at giving you these research items. I mean even in like the California hunting proclamations. That has a lot of this research in it. Some of the sites. You actually have to look up a little bit more in depth but you can find it pretty much for every state that I know of so what I like to look for the stats that I key on our the draw the harvest success and then harvest data so that would be stuff like maybe they've got information on the size of animals harvested If it's elk the number of points or the average main beam length if it's sheep all the sheep have to get plugged checked out so some states have their checkout summaries where it gives you the exact sheep that were harvested that year with a score. So you can kind of compare okay. What size sheep are they or at least a lot of states will do length of Horn and massive base? So I'm going to take that information and I'm going to start looking at it and I'm not necessarily looking for one particular thing but what I'm looking for is a hunt that matches what I'm interested in that moment so it could change from year to year it could change from state to state it could change from you're looking at Wyoming Colorado or Idaho this year. Okay so what kind of Do you want. Maybe you're thinking I've got some. I'm going to look for hunt. That is easy to draw. But if I draw I might have an okay chance if I hunt hard at a six point bowl or you might be thinking. I don't have a lot of time this year so I just want to find a hunt. That might be hard to draw but if I get it it's going to be so worth it because there's big elk and a good chance of success so that's where I kind of break this down into. What am I looking for? And then I dissect those stats that line up with what I'm looking for like I said I've been spending a lot of time on my home state Nevada and the one that I've been really researching is desert. Sheep love to get a a desert sheep tag. My thought is I want to do it with my bow so I'm kind of looking for an area that has decent success doesn't have to be large rams but has really good odds of drawing for myself with the amount of points that have and so. I'm narrowing it down to units based on what I'm looking for and what my goals are now. Let's jump into the other option. The over the counter out now I think of over the counter tags is something that mean. It's kind of like it. Sounds you can pretty much be guaranteed that tag now. There's a lot of places that might have tags. That are fairly easy to draw. Or maybe you have to purchase them by a certain date. Might still classify those over the counter tags and I also kind of lump in some units that might have seventy percent or better draw odds into this over the counter type area like it's it's a readily available tag. The odds are the get it some areas that have that kind of ability to get a tag. I kind of lump into this this idea of the over the counter route. I do something very similar when I'm researching over the counter type tags. If I really think back to all the hunts that I do every year very very very very few are a limited entry tag most limited entry tags in Nevada where I live because there aren't any over the counter. Big Game Tags apply in a lot of places. But I don't draw tags have drawn a few good tags in Alaska but outside of that. I mean I've never drawn tag Idaho. I've never drawn a TAG IN UTAH. I've drawn one tag in New Mexico and the however many years but there are other options and we're talking about drawing a tag like a limited entry tag now in a lot of those places I have either picked up leftover tags over the counter tags or a tag. That was really easy to draw that. I pretty much reassure I was gonNA get so most. Hunts are that over the counter route or the general areas and there's some phenomenal hunting in there. You just have to really research. It do a fair amount of map scouting and then have some time to hunt it but through those tags. It's a lot easier to make a plan ahead of time so when I'm looking at different potential over the counter tags which I've I've been looking a lot lately and maybe trying some new places in new areas or an estate that I haven't spent a lot of time in I'm looking for those type of tags that using similar research to the draw tags but just kind of matching the type of hunting experience that I'm looking for so in the story that I told about the meal dear. I was looking for the type of experience where I could easily pick up a tag I could hunt without running into other hunters going into. It would know that it'd be very hard to find a deer but if I did find one might be a really good dear. I don't do that on. Every there's there's many over the counter tags like elk where I think I love to eat elk. What I want is just a good opportunity at harvesting any bull so in Montana most of the time I look for areas have a lot of general units that you just have a high elk population a good chance of success. Maybe I'll go in there archery season and think okay. I know I'm going to be guiding later in the fall so I'm just going to look for maybe the first legal bowl. I see that that's good enough for me so every hunts different and I really just plan out my hunts based on what I'm looking for you know I I. There's a few antelope once that I try to do every year. And for those. I just look for an area where it's like. Okay I'M GONNA get a Tag. I can go with my Bo. Do some spot and stalk and find an area that has maybe not the highest population but also you know maybe a mix of not as many hunters because I'm GonNa be spotting and stocking and I don't want them chased up a bunch so maybe finding an area that has lower populations maybe a little less success rate but also fewer hunters and so by going through the websites and just really picking out. What I'm looking for. So what all do I mentioned earlier? I liked to write it down. So I'll just I'll have my idea of what I'm looking for so say okay. Let's say I want antelope archery spot in stock on it. And I don't necessarily want to run into a lot of hunters but I want you know an average amount of success so kind of figure out. That's my goal for this then. I'm going to start looking for things that lineup for that. And then jot down the units within that over the counter or general type hunt that align with that goal in mind once I have my list of open zones or other areas then I moved a step. Two which is mapping it out. We'll go back to the draw real quick the map it out section. You aren't sure you're GONNA get a tag but when I'm planning on potential areas to draw I will always do this little map it out process as well so I'll be doing the same thing with a draw a find an area that has statistics that really line up with what I'm looking for. All right down the units then. I'll go on my onyx hunt APP and go to that exact unit look at the unit boundaries and then what I'm looking for whether it's over the counter tag or draw tag for me. I look for units have good access and I look for a lot of public land. I don't want my want to be dependent on me asking permission so if the area doesn't have anywhere that looks like I could hunt on public land. I kind of just write it off. I'm not the type of person now. Maybe you're the guy that likes to go knock on doors and ask for permission and you're good at that. That's not my strong suit. Never been good at that so I look for areas where I don't have to ask so once I narrow that down then I go okay. Well maybe this area is not for me or this one is this area's got some public land or this one's half private half public but it looks like there's some access points where can kind of hunt the edges and around some of the private. So I do that as my initial assessment of whether it's an area that I really WanNa go for or not when I'm looking for public land. What I'm talking about is I'm sure most of you know this but you know I'm either looking for four service land. Blm Land so for services generally always green on the maps blm is generally like yellow and a lot of state. Land just depends on the state could be blue or purple or something like that. So I look for those types of lands and then you know you can also look into you might have a unit that has you know some kind of refuge or something like that those you kind of have to look up that specific refuge or that type of land and see what the hunting rules are on that most four service in the standard for service and beal lands are pretty wide open for hunting. You know you can always look into each individual ranger district in whatever wants you if you already have a tag. If you get over the counter you can look into that a little bit more but mostly You know that's why I like to look for the bill in the forest service because they're all open to hunting so now we've got this stage where we map it out. We just give a brief overview and I'm just looking for access Is there actually somewhere? I can hunt in this area and does it have maybe a little bit of what I'm looking for like. Is it a a mountain? Taipan is there some areas away from roads? Does it have kind of the things that I like. If it passes the stage than green light I take that unit and I write that into my potential units to do my research in my planning stage which will bring us to step three the planet out now. This is where I kind of. Try to narrow it down and pick a unit this this really comes into play on on general tag or an over the counter where you hunt like a half the state during certain seasons. You know Montana General Elk tag. There's a lot of different units that you can hunt every year and my may hunt have the same unit. I may go to different area. In trade explore something else so what I do is I like to pull out my maps and really this is where I get down to the nitty gritty of the planning portion. And this is why. It's nice to find some of those over the counter tags because I generally won't get to this stage draw tag until I've drawn a tag but this time of year right now. A lot of draw results are coming out. Maybe you're a lucky guy that you put in for a New Mexico. L. Tag drew it. Maybe some other draw results SHOULD BE POPPING OUT PRETTY SOON UTAH. Are you know who knows what whatever you put in for? Maybe you've got tag in your pocket now. Now you're gonNA jump into this planning stage so I use the Onyx Hunt Apple Lot and then I also will jump back and forth to Google Earth just to use a more a little bit more three d. I like the next because it's got so many different layers one it's got the unit boundaries which are Super Helpful. You can go between satellite Tokyo and then I can also do different layers like wildfire layers. Clear cut layers historic migration. There's all kinds of different features. That are really specific to hunters. So that's why I do a lot of my planning on that APP and also I can do it on the computer as well which is sometimes nice to have a little bit bigger view but I get asked the question all the time like there's so much land. Where do I even start and so I would say start with habitat and then I also get the question like well? How do you know animals will be there and the real answer is you? Don't I'm that's where the exploration portion comes in? But if you think about it every good exploration has to have a plan going into it. It's just going to be a lot more successful that way. Yeah you could just show up and just kind of start randomly. Spinning your wheels. But if you have some form of a plan based loosely on an idea of already kind of scouted this in a way where I found and identified good habitat then when you get into the area. The exploration in execution of that plan comes into play. Now things might change but it gives you a good baseline to start from so what I look for personally. Is I look for similar topography and terrain that I like to hunt and for place that resembles where I've seen animals before out. This might be a little difficult if you've never like if you're an new two elk. Hunting noon meal deer hunting. I'm from the East Coast. I've never hunted out west. That might not be the best advice. Because you don't really know what you're looking for so what also is as of right now and in future touch a lot more on some of this stuff but you could go back to episode twelve. I talk about topography a lot. I don't necessarily have the time to recap all of it right now. So go back up so twelve. That's new to you for everybody else. Seeing the first things I look for is just similar. Topography in trained to where I like to hunt now. Also when I'm looking into areas I know my style of hunting and I know what I like to hunt and some of this also depends on the type of animal ending but I like to glass so gravitate toward that kind of country areas that I can cover with binoculars optics from a good vantage point and see a lot now. If you like to still hunt maybe you grew up in the Pacific northwest and the idea of glasses. Okay but you're just a lot better sneaking around still hunting then you know look into the areas that kind of suit your style of hunting. You know maybe you're gonNA look for more south facing slopes that have good timber pockets or or whole mountains with good timber areas and maybe a A Flat Bench of Topography Word Elk. My bed also did a little timber topography for Ilk podcast. Go back and find if that's if you still hunt for deer where you're at you want a little bit of different ideas on still hunting for elk. Maybe that's your style now focusing on the areas that your style. Maybe you're coming out west and you want to stand hunt. That's completely possible to you. Know so what you'd be looking for. Something suits your style of hunting. If you're going to hunt from a tree stand. Maybe you're looking for water holes if it's an arid area or potential wallow spots. Maybe you're coming to Hunt Whitetail. So you're going to be looking for tree stands. You're going to be looking for river bottoms. Now once I've got the unit is hone in on places that really help the way that I like to hunt and it could be different for everyone so because I like to glass. I'm going to identify glossing ups. I'm also going to switch between layers of fires. Tokyo satellite the hybrid. Maybe A clear-cut layer 'cause I know that those areas that might be more open from fire and other things it might be timber D- But now it lends itself to glasses because it's opening burned or there's a new clearcut and I can find me glancing knob into that clear-cut so now take that the APP and a look for areas where it looks like. I can look into other areas to really help the way that I like to hunt. So then I'll go and I talked about before but I'll I'll maybe drop a pin on potential glossing knobs and then I can take that pin and go check it on Google Earth and kind of sit myself in that spot and see what I can see from there and then I'll mark those glancing knobs and that will build out my plan for where I'm going to hunt when I get into the unit so I drop pins on places that look good from afar and then I like to kind of hone in a place that might be far from the roads but I'll even highlight a few places that have easy access good access that I can kind of preview. These will be spots that I look out when I preview the area and what I mean by preview the areas my first steps when I get into a new unit for scouting and hunting. I don't really have time to cover that this week but we that will be a future podcast so as of right now we're finding areas at home and then we're kind of planning out that hunt based on the ways that we liked hunt once we have that then we've got our game plan so when we get into the area we're going to be more efficient and probably most likely more successful. I hope that helps you guys. I know I've been spending in absolute ton of time. Researching hunts and I've never spent so time deciding on units that I'm going to apply for. I actually got my Idaho. Sheep application in. I was thinking about doing elk deer antelope again but I normally do sheep and I stopped for a little bit now. I'm like okay. I found some spots. Sound good to me so I I got that application and did a lot search and an obviously on that kind of thing I mean the odds are so minimal anyways. You're almost better going for broke but I thought okay. Let's you know it's fun for me to look at maps over potential areas in in wild doing that. Maybe discovering something that you could use later on or maybe you know you've a friend draws some tag and you go. Hey I've already looked at the maps a lot on that. Let me help you out. I don't know it's a lot of for me. It's just a lot of fun of researching areas. I've spent a lot of time on pretty much every fishing game website reading through all the regulations. All the potential hunts for so many different states and restart adding different states to the list. I've got like this messy piece of paper. That has hundreds of ideas that I've already confused myself four times on. I sometimes on a lot of states. Wait till the last minute to apply because I just like am so involved in the planning process once I applied and I I kind of lose that thing to look forward to just checking more spots in new spots and keep planning out and obviously I've got a couple tags in my pocket for this year I haven't drawn anything. The states that have applied for having drawn but I did pick up a couple of general tags. So I've got a general tag in Montana and I'll be hunting general elk in general deer and just looking for a few new spots for potentially antelope and stuff like that. So I've I've been having a lot of fun just going over maps finding me spots highlighting some new areas. I want to talk about maybe not next week. I I do WANNA do a QNA. Because I've been getting so many questions so maybe next week I'll do kyun a and then we'll jump back into like once you have that tag. What are your first steps in the unit? So we'll take you know your your first steps in the research. We've just talked about now. Let's just go but with a little further steps in the unit but maybe we'll do acuna I next week not sounds kind of Loosey Goosey but I haven't decided we'll see which way the wind blows I just I know. There's a lot of good questions that people ask than I do. WanNa get to those. I don't WanNa let them sit too long. So Oh I'm Hopefully going to be able to do a little bit of Turkey hunting here in the coming week. Which would be fun. Maybe on if we do Cubanacan talk a little bit about Turkeys as well. I haven't hunted. I'm in a long time because I've been Hunting other stuff spring bear or a New Zealander. Australia is the first time I haven't gone to Australia or New Zealand to New Zealand spin. I've started their fall there for the last ten or eleven years so. This is the first time I've missed a hunting season but even if you live in New Zealand. You're missing hunting season this year. 'cause lockdown so it's just a strange time for me. I'm not actually used to springtime. I haven't been in spring in many many years almost a decade because I normally go where it's fall during the spring so it's kind of cool to maybe go chasing Turkeys since I'm here this spring just been waiting for some restrictions to lift so you've got any questions or you know whatever feel free to reach out via instagram. That's pretty much where I do most my answering messages and stuff like that and also you know feel free to if you don't subscribe to the podcast if you like it subscribe give us a commenter like really appreciate that and maybe cruise through if you. If some of this is new stuff to you. Cruise through some of the past episodes. I know there's I touch on a lotta stuff in earlier episodes and I'm always kind of afraid of repeating but I also I mean half the stuff I talk about. I don't remember so it's never bad to kind of rehash some really good tactics all right. Stay out there. I I mean stay in. There would even know gosh this quarantines got me all jacked up but I've got my onyx APP up right now and I'm about to go apply for a couple deer tags fingers crossed toe by draw good luck.

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MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE II - Part 2

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MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE II - Part 2

"Virus is Unleashed upon the world. Let's finish up mission impossible to and save this world. Hi. This is Tom pozzato Dan Sylvester off of spy movie. Navigator.com join us. Each episode is we're cracking the code of spy movies subscribe to our show. Tell your friends about us and give us a 5-star rating on your podcast app. Let's finish up my life impossible to we left off our discussion. Once McCloy was stung by Ethan. So let's go. All right. So it's time said we're going to get back to where they're attacking the Bayou site headquarters may very well done scene and Hunt Luther a planning how to get into the bio psych building at the same time Ambrose is explaining how he thinks hunt will do this and he gave it right we have to remember Ambrose is an agent gone bad. So as Ambrose talked we see hunt performing the steps that Ambrose is laying out so but Ambrose home. Worked with hunt before so he kind of Has a Field person will do things. Yeah, and he thinks Sean Ambrose thinks that hunt is going to do some kind of aerobatic Insanity crazy stunts Thursday before he'll risk harming a hair on any of the security guards and so on by coming in on the on the main floor, so he thinks he's going to do something from above probably so we cut to the helicopter going to the top of the tower and we see hunt hanging from a helicopter and then we get to the atrium dive. This is a similar feel to the Mission Impossible 1 volt ice in the way that he's tethered down and he almost took the floor he comes and just stops right before he hits the floor. Yeah, which you see him do it's kind of his trademark now that the way they do that now as in the mission impossible one scene in this scene were goes through the atrium and bio site. There's no score during the drop. We actually for two minutes and 44 seconds until Sean Ambrose starts talking again about how hunt will do as Mission. So there's no score. There's no ads, But there's no score. Yeah, the IMF team talks with each other. But again no score and it's something that we're going to see in future Mission Impossible movies as well. So here we got hunt being lowered down through this Adrian. They're kind of like shutters almost that open only a certain times and that lets the light end down this shaft. So it lights natural light through this building down to the glass panel that just above the laboratory. So this is how they have to lower him down. So damn, didn't you say when you were talking about Tamara and bellerophon something about the air? Yeah through the air or something right. Now. You gotta remember right the myth that we talked about before of chimera and how bellerophon was helped by Pegasus to kill off amera because Pegasus good fly. And so well Arif on shot the Chimera from the air here. We have hunt attacking Chimera from home. Viair as well. I thought this was a very neat tie end. Yeah that that really is. So Ethan uses a laser-based glass cutter to cut the glass so he can enter the room with the Chimera store on Skyfall the henchman Patrice uses a similar automated but it wasn't laser-based but it was a similar automated glass cutter to cut in a window so he could shoot across to another bowling. So these automated Glass Cutters are very handy for these guys just to happen to have in their kids. Yeah. One thing I didn't get though is how Ambrose would know or more importantly how often would know that the last remaining Chimera virus would be there with three injection guns. I mean weren't they get that Ambrose tells us the hunt will destroy the virus in the incubation room first and then go where the injection guns are for some reason, he won't be allowed to destroy the virus in those guns. I mean is that because Ambrose is teams going to be there to stop it off. This part to me didn't hold and it was really important for the plot. I thought that from the video clip of doctor and the curvature with his hands in the inoculation chamber the the guns were visible. Well, if you talk about the scene right at the beginning, yeah, there are three guns and four vials there. They don't really show them the loading the gun from the vile. There's a vile there, but it looks like they never actually see them loaded. I mean, he says that tape to them but it doesn't include him shooting himself with one of them. There were three guns in that scene and he shot himself with one. Are there only two vessels that this is this didn't hold for me because if you look at what he did at the beginning versus the way the setup was when they got there. Yeah, something happened in between that we never saw okay and off so when he's talking to Dimitri and plain, he doesn't tell Dmitri that what's in the gun is all they have. Yeah, right that there's no more Chimera virus. They've this is the last of it, right? So it just seems a little odd. Weird that Ambrose would have that because he didn't get that information or we didn't see him get that information. Yeah. Yeah, there is a little disconnect there. I think of course the doctor's keeping it all a secret that injected himself. But yeah, you're right about the gun part. We have to we've watched it several times. I went still don't notice can looked at it and I'm like God they don't tell you this. So how does Ambrose know that's the last of it? Yeah. Well this whole scene is a little odd to me. Anyway, I thought Ambrose is neatly narrating what Hunt is doing and will do so that it's all wrapped up nicely for the audience a simple little device too tight confusing things together and tell us what is happening. It's a clever tactic and a clever way of telling us what's going on and you have to believe wow, they know everything about this guy and well but month. Maybe they did that because of some criticism from mission impossible one. So when going through this I was looking at IMDb and there was a post in the trivia section there where they talked about the fact that people thought the plot of them I one was too confusing for some people it was so there's a point early on where Ethan tells Luther the plan and Luther says, oh, it's that simple them and then as we go on you hear the explanation of what's going to happen multiple times multiple people telling us this is a simple plot yet. They have to explain an awful lot of stuff to us to try to make sure that we the stupid audience can't follow along with whatever this simple plot is. Yeah, the simple plot is complicated in parts and not not that complicated. But anyway, this basically tells us if you're not paying attention listen to this part will tell you what's going on. Okay? All right. So let em Together. Yes, put the complex simple stuff together Ambrose knows hunt will have to go to two places incubation room. And where the Chimera is that he will destroy Chimera as opposed to preserving any of it. Yeah. So first thing I'm seeing cubaton room then finally in the inoculation chamber, they hold the last three guns Ambrose can't let Ethan destroyed the last of chimera. So Ethan punches into the computer system something to kill the virus in the incubation room. Oh, yeah. He's raising the temperature and the raised temperature like in a body when the when the reason you run a fever is to kill whatever's yeah, this reminds me and if you've seen this movie Stanley Kubrick movie 2001 A Space Odyssey, it's the same thing off the Hell 9000 computer in 2001 Space Odyssey from 1968 when he'll kills the three astronauts in hibernation for their long trip to Jupiter. It's the song Something system alert Camaro organisms terminated Baba top or dead. So this is it the 1968 to 2000. So wow. Okay, All right. So anyways Ethan ends up entering the inoculation room. He grabs one of the three guns and fires it and he grabs a second one and fires it and then he grabs the third one and Hunt realizes that doctor in the Corvette had injected himself with the virus which is why on the video. He says he must get to his destination and 20 hours. Yeah. That was my response was in him and he died in a crash. So what is hunt going to do just as he gets that third gun the final piece Ambrose in his guys shoot their way in and they'll kill hunting get the virus. Yeah. Plus that's their plan. Yeah. I mean Luther's monitoring all of this activity remote how they always have such great surveillance equipment. I don't know. I've got a laptop and all of a sudden wage. Get that anything. Yeah, almost all of these spy movies these days do this kind of thing. And it brings in this unwelcome dose of fantasy to what are usually pretty tense scenes, So we don't see Ambrose esteem come in Kill the security guards on the main floor cuz they don't care about the security guards like Ethan may have Luther says that Nia is in the biocide building at tracker that injected her is still working good thing. So now Lutheran Billy know that Sean is there but for some reason what all this Kick-Ass equipment Luther can't communicate with the generator running and it's running but you can still do all this tracking day. You can still you could do all this tracking but he can't communicate with Ethan couch being on the far side of the moon for astronauts. You can't yeah, you're in the dead zone they're apparently when this generator is running. It doesn't make a lot of sense to us, but somehow from his dog. Real mirror. Yeah, this is another interesting point Luther can see a counter on a bomb placed under his van. Okay. I don't know how long do that for my rear-view mirror. Maybe he's got one mirror bouncing into another mirror blah blah blah and he's got everything covered on his van but somehow he sees it and he escapes the van with his computer, of course before the explosions. So that's that's nice. So that's good. But there is an explosion though. There is an explosion in it's a good one and okay doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense but he's out with the computer and that's the important thing. He does get out with the computer but it's damaged. We don't hear that here, but we hear about it later. Okay? All right, so there's a big fight scene in the lab, of course and when I got to go over all the details, but it's a great fight song with a great score of music and it adds certainly to the tension that is unfolding in the movie. I mean, it's a good fight scene and we short shrift it a little bit here Jose. We don't need to go through everything. Yeah, but it really is a good fight scene. The gunfight is a good one with Ethan sliding on the glass covered floor cuz glass is exploding all over the place while firing it off Rose and his goons like buying sliding on the ice at peace glory and our Majesty's Secret Service. Anyway, Ambrose tells us guys to hold fire and there's some chatter going on. The last gun of the virus is on the floor between hunt and Ambrose Ambrose and his guys have Nia and now they bring her out to try to get hunt out from his hiding and he sends her to get the injection gun and tells honey bees responsible for what happens to her. Now Luther survived the explosion. He's coughing amongst the flames and everything else telling hunt at night as in the building while he kind of knows that now and I'm I'm just trying to get her to think. Hey, what makes you think he won't shoot you as soon as you give him the gun so hunts trying everything here to convince Nya don't give him the gun club. Ambrose says other weird thing women are like monkeys mate. They won't let go of one branch until they get a hold of the next how what mighty mean by the word Branch Branch might be a euphemism here. I don't know. I'm not sure but we got several lines in this movie that you got rid of wonder about and naiah injects herself with the virus from the last gun cuz there's a fight over the last gun this forces Sean to keep her alive, of course because you gotta keep the virus alive in her. All right. So this whole scene this whole fight and everything it ends with Ethan parachuting out of the building and right before he does that he tells Niya Ang just stay alive. I'm not going to lose you now. I am TV talks about this and how it mirrors a similar scene in the 1992 movie The Last of the Mohicans song. Cha keitel's Kora just stay alive. I will find you and then he jumps down a waterfall. Okay. So this might have been inspired from that scene from The Last of the Mohicans. Yeah, once again with the score continues until right after Ethan jumps. It stops when the parachute opens and doesn't come back until after two scenes when Ethan says unless we dose her with bellerophon Nia will kill herself. So first things first and then the score comes back. The first of these short scenes has shown in a car with Nia and asking if she wants to plead for her life as he's holding the bellerophon she slaps him. He leaves the car telling her she's going to be the Typhoid Mary of Oz the second scene is Luther complaining that until he gets his damaged computer to boot. He can't track Nya. Yeah, he was able to do communicate with them after the generator stopped after the explosion with his laptop messed up, but he now all of a sudden he's got to have the damage computer to boot. There are limits to everything he can't track night if we remember When they injected Nia with the thing only one computer could track her. Yeah, so Luther's gotta get this computer back up and running. Yeah. Meanwhile Junta scaling the Bluffs of the compound Ambrose's Compound on the water communicating with Billy and Luther who say looks heavily guarded and they asked him what it looks like from where he is as he's kind of like picking his head over above the cliff onto the landing or he's trying to get to and he says risky. All right, if you know anything about Tom Cruise Risky Business in nineteen eighty-three was his first major role and there's no question in my mind are my dad. He's referencing Risky Business song. He says risky, right? So then we get to the scene with McCoy meeting with Ambrose at the Lighthouse. The IMF team is trying to infiltrate the building and a log You very nice fight moves by Ethan has he gets into the building. This is where we see it yet another trademark of John. Well, we've talked about a couple of them. He likes to have these pigeons and doves in his movies and I see them a few times in this scene when Hunt is getting into the compound. We saw this in for your eyes only two in nineteen eighty-one directed by John Glenn, and of course pigeons were used as a spy gadgets in World War Two and so on so birds and spy movies has a history. But yeah, and we can't forget last December's animated spy movie Spies in Disguise wage where the lead spy turns into a pigeon. Yeah. So there you go. We got birds all over the place. It's like an Alfred Hitchcock movie sucks. So let's get back to the mission impossible to McCoy meets with Ambrose. They run a test and are told by the lab technicians that the blood he tested which we assumed, Came from I is loaded with chimaira and that the other substance tested was Galera van. So now they've got both. Yeah MC long as he is thirty million for Ambrose who says they don't want only cash but stock options in that value. It ends call someone and tells them to cut Nya loose in the center of Sydney. Yeah. Wow, why did they do it this way? Well, he asks how quickly more bellerophon can be made cuz there's going to be an outbreak of chimera in Sydney Seventeen million people in Sydney will need bellerophon in the next few days. This will force the stock options to be worth billions and Ambrose will own 51% biosite. So Dan there were a bunch of numbers in what I just said and he's talking about options and the options Market is something that many people aren't familiar with our options for yeah, there's so how does he get to this 51% of biased site by God? In the stock options off of thirty million. Yeah, you think if it's Thirty million, he's spending you can't buy half the company with Thirty million. So this was a little confusing to me and a bit convoluted but keep it simple. There are ninety three point four million shares outstanding in the company the bad guys ambroeus in his goons want 480,000 options. So how many shares can you buy with a nod 100 that's 100 so they will take his Thirty million and by the options those options allow him to buy the shares at $31 a share wage stock price expected to shoot north of 200. He'll make billions of dollars off of the game. That's how that's how it but it's confusing in the film is like how long you get half the company explanation was nice and Chris. I mean cuz options can get very confusing. Yeah, and now we got more birds. Let's get to the birds the important stuff off. Birds hunt creates an explosion and a bird flies through the fire as hunt walks past the burning door again. Another woo use of birth records. This this is followed by a lab technician with his bare hands closing up the two vials Chimera and bellerophon given all that's going on with the covid-19 MC today. I would have assumed he would have at least been wearing some kind of latex gloves or something to protect him. His bare hands off this and these vials that supposedly of this deadly virus. Yeah, the heck Says Stamp in a few of his henchmen go out looking for a hunt. Of course, it's cuz they're thinking this guy's down here. All right Junta is hiding near the ceiling. And of course, there's a bird right next to him another bird whose movement. Let's stamp identify where Hunt is. Okay one starts another explosion by shooting off. I'm tanks to make them explode. Well, we've talked about this Trope in other podcasts and how blowing up a tank creates a diversion Bourne Identity comes instantly to mind off this drop and so on so stamp radios in the Ambrose that he has hunt and Ambrose tells them to bring hunt to him and stamped drags him in hands tied behind his back and Ambrose shoots hunting the leg such a nice guy. Yeah. It doesn't speak and Ambrose says stop mumbling as he toys with Hunter Rod mumbles because stamp says he probably broke his jaw Ambrose ends up unloading his gun in to hunt only to see the bandage little finger on hunts hand along too late. Remember when Ambrose clipped the end of stamps finger off with a cigar cutter. This is when Ambrose realizes it was stamp dead. He pulls off the mask of hunt from stamps head the real hunt who has been wearing a stamp basket. Where did he get those masks heard? They took in this complex. Anyway to masks they had to have eaten his stamp and stamp is Ethan. Yeah. Yeah, maybe it's got him in his pocket. They're not that small. So anyway, you runs out the door with the Chimera and the bellerophon. So I mean it was made obvious throughout the the movie after stamp had his piece of his finger cut off that he had it bandaged. He added Bandits at the track. He saw it bandaged during a fight. And yeah, I remember this to supposed to be so simple yet they have to tell you until you until you that this is what's going on every day. They're trying to wrap it up for us nice and neat into a little education you missed this we're going to tell you again so, okay. All right. I don't know where all the masks came from. I mean maybe hunt was carrying a bag with him a backpack or something when he was climbing the cliff off. I don't remember but he's got the mask which is pretty damn handy. Yeah. Now this scene is driving me crazy because it's right out of another movie that I can't remember which song It is I've been looking for movies trying to figure out which one it was. I believe in the other movie. They've got a hood covering their face and they get killed because they couldn't speak so I couldn't find it. Daniel couldn't figure out when I was talking about. I'm going to reach out to you our community members to help us out. Yeah, if you know what scene I'm talking about go to spy movie navigator.com. There's a big red button that says leave us a voicemail tell us who they are what movie I'm talking about. I just can't remember it help us out here will play your message with your answer in an upcoming episode. We really appreciate it. Cuz this has been driving me crazy for quite a while that I can't remember what movie that's from. Yeah. So if you know, let us know also in that see we see people shooting with two guns one hand. Yeah and on the director's cut John Woo said part of his inspiration from this was Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid that's immediately what I thought of when I saw that song The movie I thought of and he said John Wayne movies come into play with that as well. If you remember Rooster Cogburn has the two rifles and the reins in his teeth True Grit, right? So Chuck is definitely something that he's been inspired by he also used this technique in some of his Hong Kong movies. That's what he called them. So he had done a bunch of movies originally in Hong Kong and he used that technique there. So shooting two guns at once was something that he had both Sean Archer and Castor Troy too many times in John was earlier movie called face off. So like the birds and the crosses. These are John Woo trademarks. You see him in his other movies. He brings them forward here in mission impossible to if you see all three of these things in a movie chances are John Woo was involved in that movie. All right, let's move on to the motorcycle chase scene, right? So then ambrosis men Chase hunt and Hunt gets out of town. Our cycle. Yeah and the Chase and fight scene comes out of this. It's a good fight scene and the motorcycles do do some nice stunts. Especially there's this front wheelie they do that I'd never seen before but I like if you're into Fast and Furious and stuff, I don't know if they do though that move there but I'd never seen it before so that was pretty cool. But for me personally and I don't know why I prefer chases the motorcycle chases. There's only a few things you can get done on a motorcycle and quite honestly get bored quickly with these. Yeah, there is a there was a shot where hunt rides his motorcycle a fire which is kind of cool but we've seen stuff like that before too and John Woo said he was thinking of cowboys and horses but used motorcycles instead. He likes the flexibility that the motorcycle gives to make things more interesting than if it had been on a horse which really would have been a place for this movie. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So if you remember my discussion about shooting a handgun at home Getting in this episode where I actually went and shot a handgun. This Chase has a lot of shooting mainly with handguns and it's just amazing to me after my experience on the on the gun range of how they can jump shooting fire and a lot of times what they're pointing at when they're doing this moving. I just don't understand how that happened. Yeah, and what's amazing to me is that they're not only spinning and firing and so on but when Ethan Hunt spins and fires, he hits his Target usually but when the other ninety nine people chasing him are spinning and firing they miss well, that's because they're not Ethan Hunt they're not as well trained. Obviously, they're not as well trained. I think the stunt work in this world series of shots with the motorcycle chases is amazing. The cinematography is just stunning, but the motorcycle chase is like, I don't know seven minutes long or something. It's long. Yeah, I thought too long with some of the same spinning and firing stunts done multiple times. I would have been happy with like a 3-minute chasing down and cut this thing so that let's get into the end of the chase. Yeah, there's a point where Sean Ambrose and Ethan Hunt jump off their motorcycles and they smash into each other and when I saw this, my mind was instantly brought back to the fight scene between Scar and Simba in The animated version of Disney's The Lion Okay, because it's almost exactly the same if you actually have actually put them side-by-side. Yeah, it's almost the same shot. Yeah, John Woo says, oh he likened it to jousting from medieval times again back to the horses. Maybe from the movie Chef. Ho however to me. This was Scar and Simba this wasn't jousting. It was cool. But it definitely had that same feel to me. Yeah, that's a good symbol is especially side-by-side wage. Said they looked yeah, they look identical very very identical. Yeah, so, of course, they're they crashed into each other they're off the motorcycles. And now it's the fight turns into fisticuffs on the ground off the ground now with martial arts moves included and all this kind of stuff. I mean, they're fighting hand-to-hand combat here and Tom Cruise did most of these stunts including the two-footed twisting kick, which pretty amazing actually it was a pretty impressive kid. Yeah. You gotta be impressed with that one. I think actually they trained him right before they did this. Yeah. He did not have a ton of training for that. So Ambrose has this knife and he tries to stab Ethan in the eye and when they film this they had the knife on a cable set to stop 1/4 inch from Tom Cruise. As I said Scott who played Ambrose he's told make this look like you're really trying to move this thing. He won't be able to get past a quarter inch rim as I yeah now in face off again going back to that other movie job. Who did there's a scene where John Travolta's character sticks his gun in the henchman's I and so to me this really kind of felt like it was now in that movie The Gun was life on the I not a quarter inch above it. But this this knife really seems to be a Twist on what we did again in face off and it also reminds me of the stunts that Tom Cruise does movies where he falls to the ground and stopped just before he hits the ground. It's a signature move here. It's like the knife is doing the exact same signature move. Yeah. All right. So, let's get to the ending. We see Nia, of course. She was theoretically infecting everyone having been cut loose in Sydney whatever but as we remember before we know this thing transfers through the air. Yeah, we don't know exactly how this this works really, but they know that it needs a living organism because if she dies it's dead so dead. And were you remember hunt saying that she's if she has no other choice she's going to kill herself before she allows us to happen. Now how they make that big leap that she's going to kill herself from her being a thief same thing else. I don't know exactly there was a part of the movie where she admits she has a conscience. So maybe maybe this is part of it checked herself to keep herself alive not to kill herself. Yes. She was an insurance that cameras couldn't kill her cuz he needed the virus, right? So is it she has a conscious in his like yeah. I'm not going to affect everybody else. The virus will die with me that yeah that part I thought was a little weak and the timing we see her now standing on this big cliff and we are to think of course, she's going to throw herself off the cliff and kill herself because geez, they're not saving the world with the bellerophon yet or with her and the the clock is ticking away. I don't know if we know at this point how many of the twenty hours has passed due we there I seem to remember there is a clock scene but Luther asked and Hunt says not long. So yeah, I don't I don't remember if they have it down to the minute kind of a thing. Yeah, so that's the excuse. I guess where her going to throw herself off. The cliff is the timing is the time is running out now, if I'm sure I'd be thinking I gotta take every last minute to see if they're going to save me. I'm not throwing myself off a cliff but earlier we were told the guy that new Corvette was working with dyed. It was landed later than twenty hours. If you last if you get you can't be saved every single day after twenty hours and it looked like a really nasty death. Yeah from the 20 hour mark on. Okay. Yes, so maybe there's some of that going on here and Hunt did tell Luther and Billy to go find her so and leave him alone where he was. So there's an excuse for them being in the helicopter looking for job. Naya I don't know how they find her. I don't know how they were going to find her in a helicopter flying over Sydney. But or wherever they're they're flying tracking device. That's true. They do have the tracking device but the computer was messed up but apparently they got it fixed by then. Yeah, that part actually was working now. Okay, so that part was good. Okay. Yeah, so well, this is going on the box goes into really the last phase of the fight. I mean this is a long fight sequence that happens when hunt and Ambrose on the cliff after the motorcycle thing. Yeah. Yeah, and it ends up with a kiss from Ethan that knocks Ambrose down and he hits his head on a rock. He looks like he's dead Ethan pulls away from punching him again. So he backs away. Yeah, and of course he walks away towards the helicopter Ambrose points a gun at Hunt and says, you should have killed me. Yeah, he's right. He's right. He should have killed him now if you look at the floss. Kiya woh, we'll get back to what happens here in a second. But if you look at John Boos philosophy, he says in my movies the bad guy Never Dies. That's my theory. I think no matter what you do. The evil is still alive. And so I thought that he had had him killed and we see no he didn't have him killed. The evil was still alive. Yeah, he should have killed him right then and there when he had him down he's he's getting good spy Widow. So Ambrose has his gun on hunt hunt kicks a gun from the sand that just happens to be in perfect position. Kick it into the air. He turns and shoots Ambrose multiple times and it looks like Ambrose is dead this time. So after the fight they have to show the hero look at the girl and see that she's recovered off cuz they shot her up with the bellerophon. Yeah. Woo says he likes a tragic ending, but he wanted a happy ending in this movie given what happened to Jim Phelps in Mission Impossible 1 bath Ending conversation with Ethan and Mission Commander swanbeck was intriguing Ethan. It was kind of a disjointed conversation and Ethan lies to swanbeck. He tells him he doesn't know where Niah is dead. And he appears very distrustful of swanbeck. And I think that probably goes back to what happened with him and Phelps is he now more distrustful of authority well and also swanbeck did lie to him and deceive him in getting Nia involved in the first place saying you're going to get her because she's a great thief and really they wanted her because of her relationship with Ambrose. So he has lots of reasons to distrust Wanda that's true in the end. They're ordinary people walking in a park just like other people. Yeah ordinary P. I look like a Seurat painting, you know that they had to put that in there because he wanted it to be a love story. So exactly Jimmy wanted to be a list or it was a week. And you can walk in the park. It's okay. All right, you can kind of hear that. This probably wasn't our favorite Mission Impossible movie. Yeah. Our favorite Mission Impossible movie but I think there's some elements in Michigan possible to that are cool and Advance the storyline and that part is good and there are some weak parts and we pointed out some of the week Parts but I think all in all if you're a mission possible fan, you gotta see mission impossible to if you haven't seen it for a while go back and see it again, especially now with the pandemic going on across the world. It takes on a new meaning like sometimes he'll takes on new meaning. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. All right. So now we're at the end of the movie and Tom's going to tell us about the Beretta that he shot just about a month ago and what that would experience was like so I had shot rifles before but I never shot a handgun and I went to this range now for me there was more kick to it. It was louder than I expected almost every shot. I had was about two inches long. The shots were they hit in the head were by the guy who I was there with and the other thing was I had to aim like 5 or 10 seconds before squeezing off a shot and these movie the spy movie all of them. There's no apparent aiming they just turn shooting fire while they're highly trained and and you are not I'm pretty close to this target. Yeah. We then moved at Target. It was 10 or 12 yards down off the person the shoulder on one of the shots. I have no idea where the second shot what so distance and in these in these movies these spies are shooting at a distance as well distance really makes a difference on your accuracy accuracy. So it was an interesting experience for me given all the spy movies and how much Gunplay there is in spy movies and how accurate some of these thoughts are as they turn and fire. Well, I mean a Baretta as a short muzzled pistol. So you the longer-range you have the less accurate is going to be but it was impressive to see what that really felt like home. Sure, but I did it's put some of these gun fight scenes that we see like we see in Mission Impossible 2 in perspective for me. Yeah. All right. Well now we got Tom's perspective on shooting Berettas and his accuracy rate and you can see that spies are well trained, and they're firing weapons and that helps. All right choice. They have to be this is going to be a wrap of our mission impossible to this has been Dan Silvestri and Tapas, Idaho spy movie navigator.com, and that's a wrap of our cracking the code of mission impossible to thanks for listening. Tell your friends about our show cracking the code to spy movies and give us a 5-star rating on your favorite podcast app that helped us a lot do it now. Thanks.

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Spirituality with Stephanie Hunt

In Bed with Nick and Megan

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Spirituality with Stephanie Hunt

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I got demoted again. And Stephanie Hunt as the sidekick so I got the width credit you got. The Anna's seems right Today we will be talking about spirituality no way not to be confused with religion although religion will rear its ugly head. I'm sure there are from reading. I've done there are people who have managed to travel through religion. To a place of spirituality was like seven of them historically read about so. Let me just paint a beautiful picture here by saying that of the three of us on the bed. Stephanie and I are the most drawn to Things outside of I'm let's say metaphysics not a good way of seeing. That's nice. Stephanie and I are no stranger to a deck of Tarot Cards For example and a crystal in your pocket crystal. Yeah a few crystals around your neck. One your pocket few in your sock. I keep up fuel saw on the other hand a does not need tear cards or crystals or astrology or anything else like that because he is not questioning who he is or why he's on the planet whereas stuffing. I kind of our. Nick is very secure thin himself and has no for the most part. I mean. Nobody's perfect but she not. You're not a seeker. You have no interest in those kinds of things. You don't want to like if I said. Hey Neck I'm going to you know Tarot Card reading convention tonight. I'm not new. Wouldn't buy wouldn't and just in case like let's say like syndicate something drastic changes and I am going to that. Let's say will you? Do you WanNa come with me. And he'd say no or if if if I was best friends with a Tarot card reader and she was Chimera. I'd say she'll reach Qatar cards for free and he'd say I'm not interested. Thank you yeah. Tell us more about what? It's like to be that kind of person. Well I. I was raised in the Catholic Church so there was a real dogma. Surrounding all the supposed spirituality that I was supposed to be receiving as a kid that never seem to register. You know and I I noticed Rather than any sort of holiness or The existence of any power above humanity in sitting in the church was the last place like instead of anything like that. What I noticed was a lot of people like board sort of going through the motions of being engaged in this religion and so I said I don't hear what you're saying. Which is like we're supposed to solve the sense of God Almighty power and all these mysteries but no one's actions in this community seemed to be mirroring that so I don't think I'm GonNa Find My answers here in this organized religion And I am not sure why I mean the ingredients. I was given by Mother Nature and by my family I think it has a lot to do with work ethic and just a sense of decency of trying to consider everybody the same treat everybody the same no matter what Led Me to a while adjusted that. I think it's inborn. I think yeah man. I don't know if it's something that can be taught although my mom and dad are both very good at keeping their cool like they've really steady dispositions so I definitely was trained. I think by them to not get stressed out to to to be practical person a problem solver and to know that whatever shit goes down whatever may befall us. I can take a swing at handling it so so nothing to worry about. You really see the world in a more Marsa or not. I'm not saying you're simple. But he see things remorse in a simpler way. 'cause I remember Roy for Scott Together. I A couple of times where I accused you of some very convoluted that I understood because I grew up with. You know crazy people but I'm Reid saying what are you talking about? I mean I literally don't even know what you're talking about. My mind doesn't work that way and I completely believe you and I still believe you because I don't think your mind does work that way I think. Sometimes you have insidious thoughts and you know. You can come up with a revenge fantasy better than anyone. I know but that's a little bit different. Sure I mean but in terms of of neurotic dysfunctional ways of thinking. You don't even understand it. I mean you can understand if somebody says. Hey this is what happened so and so did this. And this was fucked up. But you don't think that way and so when I accuse you of that you were like I'm absolutely have no. It's not possible. Tornado of had those motives. I'm grateful that I have seemingly the ability to to not worry about stuff like if you know in our business it's very easy to be neurotic and wonder about things. Will I get an acting job? Why didn't I get that acting job? Does anybody like me and my cute. You know there's a million things you can drive yourself crazy worrying about like why am I not? Why do I not have the things that I don't have? But instead for whatever reason my makeup taught me to focus on the things that I have an ignore the rest of the voices. Like okay got the set tools. Somebody hired me as a carpenter. So I'm also it's it's gets a little complicated right now because not everybody. Percy's spiritual life as drawn to spirituality because of a lack so let me just make that clear like not everybody is going to be seeking That those kinds of answers because they are worried about why they're not getting auditions Sorry I was trying to use an example that you just laid out but Some people are are organically drawn to those kinds of things I mean I know I was from a really really early age. I know you were to Stephanie. But some people are some people think. Well something is wrong with me. I have you know there's a lack here or there in my life. So I'M GONNA try to fill it with spirituality or religion and or oh well I think it's kind of one or the other. People are either drawn to organized religions. I think a lot of that is how they grew up and how they were acculturated. And some people are drawn to more Esoteric things like metaphysics so anyway Stephanie how what is your experience with. I know you grew up with you actually live on an Ostrom. For part of your child. Hashtag or parents met in an Ostrom and so they had both renounced of religion. They both came from very dogmatic childhoods. My Dad grew up Catholic and my mom was raised were. Her father was a priest. That actually was a founder of a religion that he was like mystic In Puerto Rico and a visionary dude who had a lot of followers Wow and so. He started a church in New York. And so my mom was raised thinking of. She went any other church or didn't prey on Saturday and Sunday. Then she would be stricken down by God and all these things but they both found a guru Swami Sach did Nanda through different modes my dad through music Because he was a touring musician and my mom through a friend and it was the first wave of you know the the Yoga and the Super Super Hippy. Shut and their guru actually opened up woodstock so he was kind of known as the Guru of musicians and was Carol King's Room bub-bubba and his whole thinking and message is truth is one paths are many so all religions have an integral part of them which is why his teachings are called Integral Yoga. And so there's a truth in hall religions But there's the differences are you don't have to focus on all the teachings and so he said that his principal was the undo instead of being Hindu as the undo of all religions just to look for truth so that was definitely a a present minded Implementation that my parents had in bringing us all up. They didn't want us to feel like we had to be a part of any religion but there would do things like if we had a stomach ache or a headache they'd lead us through yoga poses and breath pose and like breath exercises But it wasn't in this now. How it's kind of like a trendy thing you know can kiss. This wasn't even really a thing at that point when I was kid. So it's been interesting to see how things that were just part of my household or now kind of catchier trendy and they used to teach yoga classes for free and that left me with good footing to look at the world from a space. That wasn't It's just comfortable secure. They always allowed me to seek and find whatever I wanted at first. I would do things like yell at my mom when she was meditating. When I was a kid I think why I would clap in her face. Like you're not here. What is going on because I would like. Take me to the mall in the thirteen year old and this is boring And her ability to just have patience with that and not judge me or react and just hold. Space was a good teaching what that looks like just a being non-reactive and she would say things like wow. My heart is so open right now. This is very interesting to hear. You saying miss. Oh last. That's really. What does that mean and she would ask me questions On the way to jogging off middle school. Like have you ever felt this feeling of An expansion in your chest like there's space for something else knew to come. I'll be like no I. I would like to listen to the backstreet boys. Now so that is and I ended up finding it on my own in Los Angeles through all of the kind of ups and downs of acting or career stuff or disappointments which is growing up in general Realizing the power of the breath and chanting and I don't have a rigorous practice of any sort. But I've tried all the things and I have a sense of not really wanting I have the reverence for Gurus and teachers because I know that that's important to learn from people but also I saw in you know every Osram has a scandal attached to it or the darkness in in any time that you're going to call somebody perfect and that their your teacher and that you're bowing to them You may forget that. They're human and so and you're a human too so I always grew up thinking even though I can have reverence for teachers. I have a challenging. I will always challenge a teacher. And if they can't see that I'm learning and could be as good or better than them or empowered enough to take the teachings on actually rather than like always keeping you the student Which late with is with acting teachers to there's a weird thing or anybody you meet really could happen but it happens a lot in lake spiritual communities. I have a good bullshit radar but I'm willing to jump in very deep to those waters because I kind of seen a lot of weird hippie things to be able to wade through those waters and it's usually coming from really positive place. They don't have to have as much trepidation. He said. Well I can explore this not for me. Then I'll move onto the next thing. When did you make the change from you know you know mom? I want to go to the mall to having your own. You know being drawn to those things yourself Well I was. It was about when I was in college living on my own and I I well I had my best friend die in a car accident. And that was so painful and also She was she was a very spiritual person. She was my mom in my mom's class when she was two years old and when she was Like three because my mom's a teacher and when she was three she would say that she could see her grandfather and that she wanted to go with her grandfather and so she always had this. Helena was her name. She always had this ability to connect with multiple rounds and so her passing actually ignited within my whole friend group. All of us kind of changed our paths all of the sudden and realized it was almost like a part of her head to live on within all of us and I started It just almost out of necessity doing breathing exercises in this way. 'cause it's always about your own experience with it so if you haven't felt that Oh. My breath is controlling my mind than nobody can really. You can tell somebody that but unless you have it out that that you feel oh my gosh this is what's allowing me to expand myself right now but that was a big catalyst and set me. I mean I dropped out of college. I just realized that I had to do exactly what I wanted. In my life and then it became more of a CO creating my reality with The Universe for myself and using my own mental abilities to do that. I stated backup Because it's news to me that your breath is controlling your mind Is that true? That's true and how you supposed to breathe to have a good mind. Fido no supposed to is a good word. Because it's it's that all meditation can begins with the breath. It's the easiest way into meditation because You know like when people are scared of worked up the your your breathing is off but if you just focus on your breath in that moment you can feel it the strongest because mine phone part of mindfulness. Exactly yeah it's like the the gateway drug for my phone as yeah it's like you know the the ideal is to be in the moment not be living in the past or the future in your waking life and so one of the easiest ways to to put yourself in. The moment is to pay attention to your breathing The how it feels coming in your in your nose Coming out of your mouth. There's all different practices you can do and like you can hold for two at the top. You can count But just to keep a focus on that as good I do. I challenge sometimes because I meditate in the morning at night but Yeah I've just started doing that again. I started noticing in the mornings. Maybe a couple of years ago two three years ago and then the night has just come in recently by us to do it for a long time. In the moment nick I stopped because I I think I was embarrassed. Dry You know we were in a big brand new falling in love moment and I just I don't know I. I think I felt self conscious of felt like oh I don't want him to think I'm something I don't not even sure so. I stopped for a long time and it does. It makes a huge difference. You didn't want me to think you were centered. Well adjusted unhealthy practices anything. But you know I I. Yeah it's funny. What even if you just do it for five minutes. Have to sit there for an hour. I Guess Twenty minutes is the ideal For you know for most people morning and night but even if it's I think that that's that's a trap though 'cause people are like I don't have twenty minutes or I can't sit still for twenty minutes. Sit there for one minute certificate thirty seconds even these one conscious breath day when Brian Good. Yeah just start wherever you can. When you're you know in doing anything just center on your breathing so that you can put yourself in the current in the present moment Yeah I'm really big on just a little bit of anything. If it feels like too much just one time. They told US middle school. It always stuck with me that. If you don't turn in your homework you get zero. And that's really bad for your average but if you turn any William answered one question Your Homework. Ten is better than this year. Only rate. I'll turn in. I put my name on it Y'All so I My Mom Pretty Devout Catholic and so I went to church every Sunday for a little while and Sunday school and then when I was nine I remember getting in the car after Sunday. School and my mom said how was it. I said it was fine but I won't be going back. Thank you so much. Thank you for these. You know two years of the but this is not for me and to my mom's credit she didn't. I mean my my mom could really get me to do things. I didn't WanNa do like when I was a debutante and I didn't WanNa be a debutante but I for my mom because I knew that she really wanted it but this she didn't push me on this and I thought that was pretty cool. She did have a none. Come over a two nuns. Excuse me come And do some kind of you know. Hocus pocus on me so that I would be fine for life. And they gave me a little a habit. It's in the Ba- it's right. There are bathroom. Gave me a little Virgin picture of the Virgin Mary in a little crocheted It was little. It was like three inches tall and inside of it is a a foil wrapped a teeny like eighth and an inch square foil. Wrap Sing. That's supposed to be a piece of the shroud of Turin. I'm sure it is you know said Yeah I we should ensure that I'm sure it really is a piece of the out of turn. And that was the thing that I think is responsible for my still being alive today. So at least my mom in you know as far as my mom is that that was the thing that has kept me from you. Know almost certain disaster had I not had but then I was always I would say even way earlier than that when I was when we lived in Costa Mesa still so I had been four or five I was already into by way of elves and fairies I was into this. The spiritual are the metaphysics because I believed in Allison fairies. And those are like. It's like leaving little spirits. They're sending extra sensory about it. So that's that was my my gateway with the elves fairies. I love your story of the shroud of Turin. Which I'm sure it. Indiana Jones is probably going to break into her house. Retriever bathroom in the that around the Dirani Grab A. I heard a an episcopal priests interviewed recently. And he was really wonderful in the way he talked about how all religious writings of of the big. You know organized. Religions are clearly from Point Logic. Not to be taken as literal. You know. They're they're not neither documentary journalism. Nor are you know they're obviously allegorical? And and meant to be taken as a sort of moral tales. You know and so. That's wonderful if you can if you can take liberalism out of it that solve so many problems where it's like well. No of course like gay people are okay regardless of what you say the Bible says because what what it comes down to how Jesus taught us to live which is to love everybody including those Pesky gay people like of course. Christianity should be about inclusion in every way and he said you know across the board. So the interviewer said well. So what you know. Then what is what's it all about? What is your faith about if you if you don't believe the actual you know writing factually and he said it's all about the whole point of it is to live a life of service to read these lessons and understand that giving of yourself to others is that is God and like making a commitment that I'm going to do my best to live my life in this way that that those are the values. These religions are built upon anything else. That's ugly has been added by people. Naturally a lot of religion becomes a money making enterprise but I always think of my mom and Dad who are very devout Catholics and our household growing up there was very little Of that sort of superstition of ICONOGRAPHY and like you know. Is there certain? Saint that you're supposed to pray to any of that stuff. None of that matters nearly as much as more than anyone else. I know those. My Mom and dad have devoted themselves to lives of service. Where everything they do? They're very happy they take good care of themselves. They have worked really hard to maintain a life. Where even now you know in their seventies. They're still doing meals on wheels. There's you know what I mean. They're still giving of themselves and to me that I'm very grateful for example because that human service that they've shown me go so much farther than anything. I could read you know. Then I don't have the wherewithal to like read a chapter of the Bible and be like this will solve some problem in my life but if I watch people just take care of other people say oh that seems to be working for them I try that yeah and I'm Since she said that's you know they've dedicated their lives to service. I mean it can take a lot of forms have had this conversation many times that because when we found ourselves so busy with work Mike we're constantly working and we don't really ever have time off we don't we haven't had an actual vacation and probably leap two years. No way more than that because our because Michael Landry said that since he's been working with us we hadn't taken an actual vacation and that's been almost three years and that's okay But what we've talked about is that are you know being in whatever business wherein the entertainment industry whatever you WANNA call it. It's a service industry. I mean that's where people go get in trouble when they think that it's about them and their own glory and you know it's not about your own self aggrandizement that's the that's when you're off the path and you're GONNA crash and burn is when your egos involved. You're thinking we'll see how great I am. Now it's an that's not it? You're not great and if you have talent and you're sharing it. That's that's a that's wonderful and it should be that for. Its own sake like you are providing a service to people by hopefully successfully entertaining them in whatever way whether you're writing buck or your you know a stand up or whatever medium it is I mean in any profession I think people make a mistake with with people who are performers or artists. Because they think well that person just wants to be famous. No I mean some people do want to be fame. Just WanNa be famous. That's true but most people at least people that we know people we've worked with down. That's not what it's about for them. It's about expressing them. Creatively expressing themselves creatively. In a way that they're able to be of benefit to others who are on the receiving end of whatever their talent is and I think that's what it's all about and so then it can be you know it is a in a way. Well it's a service and it can almost become a spiritual practice. If you're looking at it from that vantage point we'll put very well. I love that starting a Colt. 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You can get the full details and place your order now by going to our special you are L. grassroots coop dot com slash bed that's grassroots. Cop Dot com slash bed enjoy. Stephanie is it safe to say that? You believe in reincarnation Yeah I do too but neck. What do you think happens? My heart is so open right. We just WANNA law I You know I I mean I guess I'm comfortable with the not knowing. I can't get into any conversation about spirituality without bringing up my favorite writer Wendell Berry and in his writings I feel like he's chasing what I believe. Is the nearest thing to my spirituality. Which is nature based you know It's it's the mysticism that is all around us. You know and does that include. All things are connected. Yeah we're all I mean. The all of creation is made up of the same molecules. So you know Eh It's so mysterious. And so far beyond our comprehension that the human mind can will never truly be able to answer all questions posed by nature. That's that's the mystery that I can read my head around and say great then. We can never know everything what I can know. Are these practical truths by which I'll try and live my life and so something like reincarnation If if the sole If when our when our physical body dies and those molecules decay and become you know they come grow back into the soil and are part of the Great Cycle. If when that happens somehow our consciousness our sole continues to exist into another plane into another human in a different time and place or becomes a tree or Squirrel. Or or you know a a gallon of ocean water or whatever it may be. I'd say cool. That sounds awesome. I like and if it if it can. It retains any sort of consciousness great. But it's something I don't think I'll ever know until I become that gallon of water And I'm I'm down with that so I don't disbelieve it or I just. I'm just comfortable with the idea that I can't no that can't boil you down tonight. If if before you do I will shake your hand and say thank you for nineteen amazing years and change. I mean seriously thank you for. It's been the greatest time of my life and Franklin seriously it will have been worth it nothing. Saban leading what we do with me to see a gallon of ocean waters. Some Salton sugar stay friends. Yeah but it is interesting when you're talking about spiritual things how fast time passes don't is one of the areas where I don't realize the passage of time and that tells me that it's an important thing to have a focus on these there really. Aren't that many pursuits or topics. I would say talking about spiritual metaphysical things One Stephanie and I are working together were coming up with choreography. Were singing We never realized the passage of time. You know things like that. You know pure creativity higher. Thought that's when those that's when that state is achieved. It doesn't happen that many other times. Maybe if you're witnessing a great work of art if you're at a brilliant piece of live theatre or you're watching an incredible movie it might happen but you know what else when you're dreaming when you're dreaming. Yeah I near asleep the big. Oh Oh yeah and when you're laughing a spiritual teacher that I just get. Yeah yeah he's talking about suck. Yeah orgasms Kissing her second. Oh yeah well that's true to our press is really strange thing blowing your load or now hey pot back can but I had called this a spiritual teacher once who said When you're laughing where your problems? No that is so true. Yeah feel like laughter is an evolution of thought that it just comes to like ahead and explodes consumer piffle revealed that. It's not what you thought it was. Yeah which is why it's fun. Yeah a few of advance your way of thinking too. It's it's sort of the The pressure valve on the potboiler of life. That like one things get too much. You laugh to release the pressure so that you don't kill somebody or you know when things are bleak and you say off nothing to do but laugh at this because if you don't laugh go out back and and put a shotgun in your mouth food so Stephanie. How did you come around to the idea of reincarnation? I think that I came around to reincarnation. Sort OF INTRINSICALLY. Through my upbringing wasn't ever out of the question. Yeah right denied as a possible reasoning of reality But it was a it was. It's all really connected to our friend when she passed away Helena because I had a lot of dreams where she came to me and explained exactly where she was and where she was going what she was doing and that she was never jed but they weren't the kind of dreams that looked like a dream you know when you have a technicolor dream like the kind that you don't feel like you could invent yourself it doesn't feel like year any wake up and it feels more like a message than James. I've only had a handful of those but most of them were with her and it was in the stage of like the deep questioning and So that was and there were a lot of things that happened where there was a picture on her dashboard that my mom came across on the street so like she was sending messages And all sorts of ways and basically everybody in our friend group was getting them weird. Things were a necklace she had given you. It'd be wrapped around here Rear View Window in the car emir rear view mirror. Yeah peaking rear window. There isn't suspense next to him. A different version of your window. It's a porno. Maybe you can read his mind yeah. He's great yeah I read it well. That's you know it's it's interesting because I I didn't grow. I grew up somewhere. Between both of you guys not in an Ashram and not on a farm with down-home Parents. I grew up with you. Know Pretty Volatile homelife Especially on the part of my father. an only child and So somewhere in between buzz of your experiences but yeah I think To me things like reincarnation Just it just felt right to me like I felt like. Oh that explains everything that makes sense to me. I can think of how you know understanding what that was and what it meant is like Oh all these loose ends are kind of coming together for me right now. What I'm hearing about this and so I thought well I guess that's for me and of course we don't know and we can't know what happens after we die. But that's the thing that resonates with me and I have gravitated toward doesn't it's not for everybody and But I I love what I love what you said. I love what Nick said. What a what a sometimes. If I was going to be judgmental about what people think happens after death I would have to say when people say it all just goes black. That's what my father thought. Only because I feel like that's so sad That you think that like you don't feel any connection to live for the spirit that that things are eternal things continue the stops. You know. Just be open to you know possibility. Don't let's better. It seems a little more sign way. We don't know like I said I don't want something fun. You I L so like very much what you said and you you have brought to mind with apologies more Wendell Berry which he rise very beautifully about his version of reincarnation involves the oral tradition in the generations of his family. That the things that we choose to teach our children and pass along through the lineage of birth and death that is the way we are reincarnated and so my things. My Dad's father taught him across the board. How how to use a shovel? How to carry a handkerchief? How to have good manners? How to balance your all of those things including his personality. Like how he slams down the winning card in a card game or you know How he loves to SLURP THE END of his drink through the ice cubes all of those things remain and we remember them and they become part of us and that is A. That's a sort of factual reincarnation that allow us to remain living as long as the remembrance and the Yom this sort of residual features to the residual characteristics. Stay with US and so my grandfather is reincarnated in me and my siblings and so forth and that you know and then becomes me and then I passed that on to our pets. I guess wrong Yeah and that's really that's lovely and also I was just thinking about the song slightly different plane under the category of It takes all kinds. I would say that people who peop- people who are drawn to organized religions and people who are drawn to the most airy fairy aspects of metaphysics and everyone in between there they're all types within that category so there are people who are devoted Presbyterians or any any organized religion Who are really doing it right. And then there are people who are drastically off course and the same with metaphysics. I mean actually attract a lot of crazy in a lot of coup Cookson Weirdos but It all there are also people you have a very mature way of looking at it and just use it and I think that's the best use of any kind of spiritual pursuit whether it's an organized religion or something more esoteric as to use it in a sober away to improve your own way of being and others. But that's it so you can't foist your beliefs on anybody else Fundamentalists exists across that. Yet as you say like Kooks and whatnot makes me think of fundamentalism where across the board in any given Dogma or belief system you have people that are like. Here's what the book says. So if any of people from your nation or the children of Abraham or whatever the derivation is to like I have to kill you like it's the more fundamental you become the more insane and frankly evil you become more like no no no no. That's the story from which we're supposed to glean you know taking care of people or some sort of goodness and humanity. Nowhere in a religious story were suggests you you do harm to others. Does that mean that book is telling you to go to harm people? Well yeah and I mean this just you know it just opens up a Pandora's box of you know taking these writings and literally or reading things into them. That just simply aren't there or you know saying thou shalt not kill and saying that abortion is wrong but capital punishment is fine. So you know it's just gets we don't WanNa get an all that right now. Let's let's keep it on the. Let's let's keep it Shirley maclaine that And then varies Shirley maclaine strange saying her actual names Shirley maclaine speaking of Shirley maclaine actually saying her name and talking about makes me talk about our Because that was a really interesting thing back in the I think it was the eighties or something that her her book about her pursuit of spiritual or metaphysical life came out. It was a huge bestselling book. I'm probably still sells like hotcakes or the hotcakes equivalent of a book. That's been out for thirty years. But you know she took so much shit from that she took so much flak because you know there is always a Guinea Ang. And I don't care what religion urine that's true and so people are you know people are very threatened by this kind of subject matter. People have a very. It's it's still very provocative people have very violent sometimes reactions. I mean if you say anything like other than that. You're you know following some organized religion. They approve of. And don't think is weird or or To them that something that they don't understand so I just think that's something to really think about because everybody's entitled to their own belief systems and that's exactly what these are their belief systems that people have chosen for themselves. Because they they they comfort bomber. They they feel right. And you know when people like Shirley Maclean gues- when she was almost ruined by that and then just more recently in the democratic debate when Marianne Williamson talk about anything spiritual and everybody immediately after the very first debate immediately on the late night. Talk show host and Saturday night live or parenting. Her kind of really making fun of her and it's a little maddening because there are so many other things to focus on not somebody who's being spiritual and who's talking about spiritual truths I think. Then then that kind of it's it's a solo inflammatory because look at who is in the White House and I mean he. What would you rather have somebody who's a little too spiritual who's talking about the importance of love or what we've got right now? True the thing about organized religion is that it's formed the basis for society like whole communities have been founded on these value systems. That are until a lot of for lack of a better term. The the flock the sheep of the flock which I don't mean disparagingly just mean the the the majority of the population that are willing to receive their instruction and just go about their lives without having to question the belief system that formed the city of Boston or the you know the city of Marrakesh or whatever. It may be so that one. Those are challenged when those ideas are challenged by someone saying. Hey let's look at this universal truth that remotely threatens the ideology grew up with it. Frankly and sometimes it's immediately dark. It's like they're suggests there suggesting that you love people of other colors or races or sexual Other other in quotes people are it's flips religion. Switch where it's like. Nope NOPE I heard. I remember this from Sunday school. You know we don't want infidels and we don't want pipe people of this this and this type and they get up and walk out is a knee jerk reaction. It's fear based because we went to all the trouble for centuries to make our people safe and we have a whole society based on it. So don't come in here and suggest that we change the way we've been thinking because that would be unsafe the dangerous. Yeah the status quo. Somebody might put fight to resist change on almost every level. You know when I was in my twenties and I was living or my early twenties living in Chicago. I was very taken with the aging. Which is people pronounce it? I Chang but it's actually pronounced aging Chinese might be itching. Okay Chinese book of Wisdom. That also happens to be an oracle way older than the Bible wailed in the Bible. Exactly and it's a. It's a book you can buy and you can read it or and you can also take three coins and toss them and whichever way they land will tell you You can ask a question since it's an oracle as well and whichever way the coins land it'll tell you where you need to look in the book for your answer right now. The tricky part is interpreting. What you get because it's not always easy to interpret it especially if you're voicing your own desperate hopes and dreams upon the whichever this is applicable to pretty much anything including like you know I mean i. It's this is not just limited to Metaphysical Oracle's It's about how you know what degree that's my. Meditation is helpful. Because you WANNA get yourself to a place where you can be clear you can listen to your inner voice and was you know be open to receiving signs and I mean this is just I mean. This isn't even if you think this is crazy. Then I don't know no it's it's not because things are getting all the time it's just you just need to be able to be open enough to to realize it and see them and think well that's nice. I'll take that end but anyway when I was very interested in the Jhang I was in a bookstore that was like it was like a metaphysical bookstore and In Chicago and this man started this talking to me and he was like. Oh how much do you know about the itching? And I think I was buying a book about the aging not I already had. The actual book is buying something about you know you know how to interpret it or whatever and he's I said well not too much But I'm interested and he said well I I'm a an authority on it and I would like to teach you. I would like to be a teacher. I don't know why our said yesterday the sky but I did and so I would go to his house. And he had a ram that had an alternate Just a room you know. Just an altar in this room and He gave me lessons. And then at the end when I graduated I had to sit in meditation in this room for a couple of hours and et CETERA. And so I thought well you know this is really nice. I get in this instruction from the Sky. He really did know a lot about the inching and then toward the very end of our time together. Well this ended. This ended our time together. I am met and started dating someone and suddenly scheduling was Pedro. Suddenly Pedro informed me by grabbing me and putting me in a lip lock that he had other motives. So you know. It's a little shattering at the same time. I learned a lot about the aging. And you think well he was. Just you know this was a whole big thing to like Gets the point where he could force his tongue down my throat and yet I also learned about the aging so I don't know hopefully that won't happen to you dear listener. It's kind of like you pursue teachings about the Shang you you put the succinctly because really The religious teachings especially you know Long established a religious texts. Aren't they one way or another third sort of A much more artfully done? Magic able you know. Here's how you and it's as you understand. Why up a book like take two different books? Take the Bible. How about the aging since? We're already on that subject. Why would one be considered flaky and one be considered like the doctrine the meal? And all do this. You're out it's just. It doesn't make any sense. I mean I mean I think if it's because of the time we live in like people are like what's aging. We don't live in ancient China. This is the Bible. Seems to be a little more popular these days than the aging. So that's part of it you can't you can't judge. You can't turn up your nose at what other people might respond to or feel right for them. It's arguably all set of instructions and whenever the subject comes up I am reminded of how the Mormon Church The Latter Day saints was created by Joseph Smith who was a convicted Mt Bank. Like he'd been in jail for pulling pulling one over on people specifically he would walk around your property with Iraq and his hat and the rock would tell him where there was water on. Your land allowed. That people will pay him for this. And and so you know. Of course. He's he's a snake oil salesman and And so he'd be run out of different states in areas and finally it occurred to him to saint was a religion. We'll yes enemy. According to to their doctrine he was God got hold of him and showed him where to dig up these tablets in America in upstate. New York right these ancient Christian tablets and and I don't even mean to laugh because like I I think that religion is owed as much respect as any but but from a point of view of science and logic. It doesn't hold up in any other way except through faith through like okay. This made up story is made up a set of instructions through navigate four navigating life and people. The timing was right and his charisma was right that a lot of people were like. Thank God. You've arrived. We needed someone to lead US ultimately to UTAH. Turns out where you know? We can practice this together. There's loud incredible racism involved you know like as with all religions there were terrible human attributes involved but by and large most simple people in which I include myself just are looking for guidance. Tell me what to do. Tell me how to be decent. You know give me set of rules so that I can get through life without killing my neighbor or ripping off somebody And when I when I said they're all made up then. I my mind started racing as I was. Attentively listening to everything said You know because there may very well have been a man named Jesus there very well may have been a Buddha But I think than other people and they might and I'm sure they were great. Both of those guys. I'm sure they're great amazing guys into great things But then other people come in and start turning end to doctrine and saying it's this way or the highway and that's it and and there's no other option and that's where the problems start. I think sure people quickly realized that you can use religion as politics. I can use religion to get a girl to come chip Saturday. Ching in your house or or you name the Jim and Tammy Bakker or Joel. Osteen and you can use religion to get rich by. I mean I. I will openly talk about Joel Austin. 'cause I've watched this guy on. You don't really know who is joining us one of these Hollywood preachers on TV. Who has three Cessna jets like? He's a multimillionaire. Tv preacher with a huge mega church I think in the Dallas Area Mason video of him and he he goes he goes on TV and basically you know whore people people who are desperate people who are in need he goes they watch him on TV. Amazingly says listen to me so you know Jim Thompson. His kids are in the hospital. He's GonNa lose his house. He prayed he sent me twenty dollars and he prayed and he won the lottery. You know what happened? He won the lottery. Like that's that's paraphrasing that's basically his shtick is lying. You Send me money you're GonNa win the lottery Phrase Jesus. Let's all sing a song and to you know but seriously if you guys do send twenty dollars to in bed with Nick and Megan Dot Com. You'll win the lottery. I mean yeah but that's we don't we just know that we know people at the lottery. Yeah but you know. That's what that's the part of organized religion that is really upsetting because the majority of people are like my mom and dad people who were like. Give me a set of rules. But I wish I can serve my fellow. Men and women. And it's heartbreaking to see people being taken advantage of with that as the base and you talked about your parents before but I just want to add a little sunshine more sunshine to that. Which is that You know I didn't even realize until sometime relatively recently that as long as I've known your parents I would never have actually known what religious. What their religious beliefs are because they do sort of live at and they don't ever foist. They don't have any visible signs. They don't have you know crucifix hanging out you know. It's it's a different approach and I think it's the the I think it's a the the best approach if you are going to ascribe to whatever spiritual beliefs you ascribed to think. That's the way to do it. You know you just walk the walk. Talk the talk. But you're not you know Robin People's noses in it absolutely they Let Their actions speak for them? You actions speak for you to singular Says Staff and then Stephanie is really I call her the human ZANEX. I've said that before and I'll say it again like a Lotta Human Zanex but You really are such a a nick. Has that quality too? You're such a calming influence. It's almost think it's impossible to get worked into a frenzy when Stephanie and surround tall we don't hang out with carrot top son more amped tallorder he neck. Hello listen I'm in a little bit of a hurry on my way to therapy. M Did you know that you can get counseling online No I did not know that I mean not saying that you need it but I'm just saying for now particularly reason that you could get counseling online. Well I mean I feel like I don't know in general. Sometimes there is something interfering with my happiness or preventing me from achieving my goals Is this online counseling. The kind of thing that could help with that it is. It is absolutely the cramping can help with that. It's called better help. 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That's I really need to do. And I'm sorry that I've been such a handful and that you need to go to therapy. But I'm glad there's a resource for you. We're all in this together but staff so I often see you reading books around this topic and I often see meditating and I often see doing other things that. But you're never you're so you're not allowed about it But I love your commitment to to feel like if I feel good and ground than anything's cool That happens that day. It's interesting to me that you. I never heard that before that. You had rebelled against that in the beginning. I didn't know that because I thought you are just that way from the Backstreet boys in saying whatever your little so if you're listening to this and you're young and you like popular music there is still hope for there is still I was always looking for that kind of stuff. I was always looking for spiritually oriented things but I at first I was really little elves and fairies or go stories or you know Ray Bradbury novels. I mean it wasn't. I didn't know about other things because I grew up in Oklahoma City. And people there were no tear card ducts in the entire state of Oklahoma. I think it's pretty safe to say there. Were no astrologers running around house the none of that was really a a thing and so I had to learn as I as I got a little older. I started hearing about the call. Swallow a cult of courses. That's bad because that sounds like witchcraft. Or something but it called is also another way of talking about metaphysics so I started like seeing things here and there like at a bookstore. Like what's that? There's just immediately all over it like a wet rag. I mean that's a good bring up a good point. The term a call to make makes me think of the devil dark cards that yeah can't be that and that's not what I'm talking about will not drawn to that. But but the thing is that the reason. I think we're taught that that's has a bad connotation again. Yeah simply because it's rooted in partly in Pagan religions that are based on guy and mother Earth Pagans Nelson and. It's having a resurgence and frankly it mass. My tetris darth. Because it's based on the seasons fertility the cycles of the Moon Cetera. Which is why we focus our sexual relationship on the solstice. Exactly sneaking up. The Moon is Waxing right now that means we have to have sex Eight Times a day when I hear Geo Waning at Sixteen ten day soured commitment and I don't have a lot of free time. I guess the bottom line. We can't play Neil Young's harvest moon around the House restore lactating. No neck not lacked using milk address. The wrong wrong but yeah so people are going down that road I think for me the if you want to boil it down to its essence for me on. I want I the the state that I'm trying to get into and stay in is when you are in touch with If you call it the universe the higher power when things seem to be clicking in your life Like you think about somebody. You haven't thought of in God only knows how long and the next day they text you Things like that when you think it must be on the right track because there's so much synchronicity. That's like locked in right now. Everything seems to be ice seem to be getting a lot of confirmation that I'm in a good place because things are falling into place in a way that steals right and that's kind of what I'm always trying. I'm trying to get into that place and stay there. Michio and so when you're off has recently been going through a lot of stuff and I've been very off and it's a terrible feeling and I've still managed to kind of stay in their little bit but you know when something happens when Things that you perceive as negative happen And you start coming from a place of CR. That's when you know you feel like you're in a bad period of your life because you don't have that comforting sense of like. Oh everything's view no just falling together so perfectly no matter what I do. Turn a corner and there's the exact thing that I was hoping would be there You know you're it's harder to manifest good things or feel like you're in sync with the universe when you're dwelling in fear and anxiety and insecurity and Just wrong wrong thinking you know you wanna try to stay in a positive frame of mind refilling good about yourself and then you can you know treat yourself on then you can treat other people. What's your bottom line Stephanie? it's important to have compassion for whatever thing that you're going through for yourself. I feel like self. Love is often disregarded and Not Thought of service or as as important where it can seem Lincoln seem people think is all right but it's kind of the the bottom line is if you can give love and compassion and listening and patients to yourself and not judge yourself for whatever because life is so unpredictable so these things happen to us and we can get in cycles. That can be what we would be perceived a seeing as negative But that's when you have to have even more compassionate base for his there are GonNa be times you're GonNa have you know times fun in your life and you have to be ready to accept that Not Goff the depend. I feel like being your own best friend. It sounds very simplistic. But if you can really Give yourself that space to do whatever you want or what you need first before you know whatever else you have to do. Then everything just kind of clicks into space or at least you have awareness of what you're feeling rather than disregarding it or pushing it away in any of those senses. I I I at least have gotten to the point in life where when you know quote unquote bad things happen I can at least have a little bit of removed from it and think well. This is happening right now. Why is it happening? Like what am I? What's my part one of my doing to create this or draw this to me And that's really helpful Don't you know I I think in the past I felt like I was just caught up in the caught up in? It and I was powerless. But now I I definitely feel like I have. I can look at it and even find the humor in a And then down the road when the clouds left Then you've you've learned more I think and what about you neck like you definitely? I think you you are your own best friend. I think I can say that with certainty. you're very good at long. You sure you're really good at protecting yourself. You don't put yourself into situations you don't allow situations to evolve where you're caught up in a tempest. No that's true I mean just generally and I. I'm sort of having a swirling A A Maelstrom of of this episode is swirling around in my head. I'm going to try and encapsulate for you The for me. It is such a hot topic Such a is such a hot button. Subject matter religion spirituality and they are interconnected they're inextricably dovetailed together A earlier in the podcast. You accused me of being simple and I think that's my secret it is. It's a real simplicity about your nature anything. Yeah anything that is not required. Why am ignorant in so many ways? That's why I missed so much popular culture so I was like okay. Don't have time for this twelve years to watch sitcoms or see what's on the radio because I'm like obsessed with doing theater or whatever my thing is and just in general if something requires my attention in life fit requires me to weigh in in some way than I try to do so in a considered way but if it doesn't require me that I happily let it flow by And I just it's something. I have really strong feelings about I talk about it a lot. And that's why I want to sort of wrap up mine by saying I think religion is wonderful When used properly I think the whole point of it is is benevolence like the initial idea of it. But if I just Was listening to this great Episode of this American Life. Which is a podcast that I can't believe is less popular than ours. But it is quite good given that plag- yeah it's you should check it out up and comer named IRA glass And this episode is called the weight of words and one of the streets windows are made. Yeah IRA glass One of the stories is about a woman who ends up in a family in Pakistan and is being raised in a very religious way and being made to live in a way. That's incredibly misogynist. You know by these rules where she has to cover herself if she goes out of the house when meals are served she has to certain make sure brothers get food before she does. It's all very demeaning And cruel to women so so while I feel like all religions have their hearts in the right place some of them have things are wrong about them and as we all are learning together about human goodness. If your religion has stuff like that that you feel is obviously wrong. You can still use that religion to be a good person. But you don't have to be a fundamentalist and say well you know in for a penny in for a pound? I guess if I want to pray to this creator than I need to punch women like you you can pray the creator without being a jerk. And so I'm I'm accepting an approving of both religion and spirituality like we all are in this together and whatever anybody chooses to believe you get to you get to pick whatever you want because it's all allowed in didn't know belief system is wrong because it's only up to you and your imagination and your faith and what you do with it But when you get when you boil it all down I think all it all comes down to is. Are you doing a good job as a citizen of the of your place? Are you servicing? The people around you are you helping or are you hinder. Are you adding to the world or are you destroy it and whatever? My religion or spirituality is I I try to use it to help me lead lead myself to make things more than I destroy things. Screen like making orgasms. Oh we used to Andrew harding one right now just before our policies the Stephanie for this moment interests into our dog. Clover has to be laying event. Life's mysterious yeah. Stephanie haven't final summary. I'd say my closing statements are That I sincerely have a hope that we can all Myself included have mystery. Beat a virtue in our lives because I think so often we want to know and I know that about myself too Wanting the answer to everything is sort of intrinsically human for whatever time period we're in right now at of consciousness and I think allowing mystery to have a part in your life allows New Insights and new points of view and acceptance and I think could bring us to greater heights of and by wing by mystery dean being open to the unknown unto change into nuke referred to earlier as the other yet to the other to whatever is not what you know the the thought I don't know and being comfortable with I don't know which even in our everyday lives is hard. We have this idea you go to college. You get a job you get married you know. Those are still patterns even outside of religion that we hold onto or this happens and then this happens and that can be very comforting but Might Challenge to myself into others is to be able to embrace not knowing comfortably and embrace each moment as it happens rather than thinking. Well this is just filler until the good stuff starts Or until I get to put my agenda on what I'm trying to to which I feel is where good creativity comes from and new ideas for the future come from the space of the unknown and it's I I really would like our society able to be more comfortable with them and myself human ZANEX. I fall somewhere in between these two points of view and I agree higher percent with objection from the record. Because I'm boiling you down tonight. Doesn't strike me from the record but yeah. I agree with what both of these beautiful humans are have said are saying and You know it's. It's all a work in progress. I mean as long as we're taking breath Were we hopefully are always trying to involve in a positive way and grow and Be Nicer to ourselves and to other people and Yes exhibiting kindness and both of those areas to ourselves US tournament south love and to others genetic also talked about That's the goal and Live and let live right. Well this is the third one more thing. Because when you think about spirituality and it's it's fitting that it only occurred to me as an afterthought we is. Humanity are so egotistical that we have considered ourselves for decades or perhaps even centuries above the other parts of the natural world that we depend on. Komo flu easily. Yeah it's insanity what we're doing to the planet and and and we and we still think that we can human ourselves out of the problem like oh well we'll just invent better shit. Oh we were destroying our resources. Climate change caused all the stuff's happening. Well if if if we can get computers. Good enough That'll solve front. We'll make robots that will fix all for us and that's to me that's an An inseparable part of spirituality that we maintain an understanding with the entire our place within the entire creation Upon which we live and from most people. That's probably you know. It doesn't mean if you live in a city it doesn't mean like you have to suddenly become a farmer or all you need is an awareness that what we do especially from with metabolism of rural produce feeding the urban centers. Understand that that has a profound effect on our land and our soil and it's fecundity and and we have been ruined ruining it. We've been shitting the bed massively and I think the most important way to fix it as quickly as possible is the way we vote by who we vote for and how they respect our farmers and our agriculture which means the opposite of corporate Industrial food. It's getting back to true spirituality. People who are maintaining the fidelity of pieces of land of herds of animals of watersheds of bodies of water. Those are the people they are the shepherds of the creation and so if we have any spirituality that's that's has any truth to it. We need to be. It's it's it's like not paying your teachers. Your schoolteachers enough. If you don't pay the farmers the people who provide our food The same amount of respect and allow them to make a living. We're literally cutting off our our cutting off our house despite our faces. Yeah I agree a hundred percent and Stephanie does too and I just add to that the I think when people are coming from a pure place in their spiritual lives or their slash or their religious practices Then this automatically is the case we automatically are going to be doing the right thing for the planet and taking care of You know because it is such. It's the biggest folly you could ever imagine that we're destroying or destroying ourselves. The planet is going to fail. And we're all GonNa Dodge so unless we start sincerely addressing that and taking action That's what's going to happen and so I think you know if if you are coming from a a genuine pure place without an agenda in your spiritual life than those kinds of things will start to take care of themselves and we won't how all this ridiculous Sturman drawing and you know politicians and people who could help implement these things dragging their feet and literally doing nothing so this has been no very very special episode of in bed with Nick and Megan. The world's most beloved podcast and it does of course star they frantically appealing Mr Nick offerman code it features the featured player Megan Mullaly blundered and we have our side kick greatest gassed world. Thank you again. So much We're all going to meditate now Right before I start my call. Boil Nick down. 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